Angeles City

[Engine Driver]

If you would like a change from MILF hunting (95% of the girls in the AC are mothers) and seek an hour-off to rest, I can recommend an excellent masseuse who will come to your room. Her name is Channi and she works at Star Massage. Her number is 0926 105 3428. Channi is an English teacher by profession who is moonlighting as a masseuse to supplement her income. As she is well educated, it is possible to have nice, intelligent conversation with her. This is what you will miss in AC. There is only so much you can discuss with a country bumpkin from the Visayas before the conversation repeats itself and it's one of the reasons I kick the girl out at 8. 00 am. I could not spend a whole day with a BG. I would go nuts.

If you are going to call Channi, please don't insult her by asking for a HJ, BBBJ or enquire whether she is a three-way spinner.

[ActionOriented]

IllusionH, I really enjoyed your trip reports. Did you get a chance to snap any pics?

I checked out the website for this range, but they do not seem to have much information in terms of prices and urge you to get in touch for customised package info. Any ballpark numbers you can share? Any documentation required, I am not comfortable in or want to take the effort to procure any additional documents (other than passport).

A query for members, I have also generally googled this, but is July a good time to visit AC? I have read that it will be raining for most of it, and it is also off-season (which is something I prefer when in Thailand - to avoid the tourist hordes). Since I have never been to AC and PI, just wanted to check if a visit in July makes sense, does it just keep pouring down constantly / flooding the streets? Given that its off-season, is my understanding correct that the girl numbers will be impacted but not by so much since there are so many bars there will always be something worthwhile to find? Thanks.


....7. For some Adrenalin adventure visit the mountainclark firing range. Its not very expensive. The range is from a Baretta upto an M16. Favourite however is the Colt 45 Caliber. Details are available on their website.

[Dg8787]

First newbie impression of AC can be it is a shit hole. It takes more than 3 visits to understand that AC may have some character to it.

Things to do? I have 10 things to do! Like Anna, Analyn, Mary, Mary Grace, Mary Joy, Terry, May, Jemma, Vanessa, Diane plus 7 others.

Daily routine,

Wake up, coffee and breakfast.

Read the newspaper and check email. Read ISG for runner updates.

Shower.

Previous night's BG shows up for session before going to work.

Hit the air con SM mall and do daily walk and maybe lunch there. Buy some vitamin V.

Hit the perimeter bars and do takeout back to hotel.

Do the BG.

BG says to order up her friend to come to hotel. Approval is given half the times.

Do BG #2.

Order Jollibee delivery dinners for BG #1 & #2.

20 minutes later dinner is delivered to room.

Let girls use tablet for facebook while my testicles are manufacturing and restocking.

Second session with girl #1.

Rest time while girls are giving me lousy massage.

Second session with girl #2.

Girls watching tv and Facebook messaging on tablet.

Girls go home.

Order up 2 hour in room massage.

No time for sightseeing today.

Repeat again tomorrow.

[Engine Driver]

First newbie impression of AC can be it is a shit hole. It takes more than 3 visits to understand that AC may have some character to it.

Things to do? I have 10 things to do! Like Anna, Analyn, Mary, Mary Grace, Mary Joy, Terry, May, Jemma, Vanessa, Diane plus 7 others.

Daily routine,

Wake up, coffee and breakfast.

Read the newspaper and check email. Read ISG for runner updates.

Shower.

Previous night's BG shows up for session before going to work.

Hit the air con SM mall and do daily walk and maybe lunch there. Buy some vitamin V.

Hit the perimeter bars and do takeout back to hotel.

Do the BG.

BG says to order up her friend to come to hotel. Approval is given half the times.

Do BG #2.

Order Jollibee delivery dinners for BG #1 & #2.

20 minutes later dinner is delivered.

Let girls use tablet for facebook while my testicles are manufacturing and restocking.

Second session with girl #1.

Rest time while girls are giving me lousy massage.

Second session with girl #2.

Girls watching tv and Facebook messaging on tablet.

Girls go home.

Order up 2 hour in room massage.

Repeat again tomorrow.Your routine sounds awesome. I just wish I had that sort of stamina! By the end of my trip I have no libido and just want to return home. Everything is just a blur and one Pinay twat looks exactly like another. Can't wait to return to repeat this all over.

[Dg8787]

Your routine sounds awesome. I just wish I had that sort of stamina! By the end of my trip I have no libido and just want to return home. Everything is just a blur and one Pinay twat looks exactly like another. Can't wait to return to repeat this all over.I take a day off every 2 or 3 days. My tours are usually 2 or 3 weeks and after about 2 weeks my libido starts to die. Thank goodness for vitamin V to maintain. Also CG position is great for stamina.

[Uncle Volodya]

First newbie impression of AC can be it is a shit hole. It takes more than 3 visits to understand that AC may have some character to it.

Things to do? I have 10 things to do! Like Anna, Analyn, Mary, Mary Grace, Mary Joy, Terry, May, Jemma, Vanessa, Diane plus 7 others.

Daily routine,

Wake up, coffee and breakfast.

Read the newspaper and check email. Read ISG for runner updates.

Shower.

Previous night's BG shows up for session before going to work.

Hit the air con SM mall and do daily walk and maybe lunch there. Buy some vitamin V.

Hit the perimeter bars and do takeout back to hotel.

Do the BG.

BG says to order up her friend to come to hotel. Approval is given half the times.

Do BG #2.

Order Jollibee delivery dinners for BG #1 & #2.

20 minutes later dinner is delivered to room.

Let girls use tablet for facebook while my testicles are manufacturing and restocking.

Second session with girl #1.

Rest time while girls are giving me lousy massage.

Second session with girl #2.

Girls watching tv and Facebook messaging on tablet.

Girls go home.

Order up 2 hour in room massage.

No time for sightseeing today.

Repeat again tomorrow.Nice itinerary!

I concur on everything except Jolibee. The food there is grosser than gross!

I wonder if Tequila Reef delivers? They serve some decent Mex. Though I think their Pattaya branch is better.

My only trip I was there for 3 days so I was definitely all about the girlies. But I could see it getting boring for a longer stay. Minus the Pinay GFEs and the friendly locals the place is basically Tijuana -- what else is there to say.

Though Illusionhert makes some great suggestions. The hike to the crater sounds very cool and could be a nice day break from shagging.

[Engine Driver]

On my last day in AC, I went looking for two hotties that I had bar fined earlier in the trip. Unfortunately both Rain from Insomnia and Sher from Pony Tails were on days off. I then went to a bar on Walking Street next to Vikings and got chatting to the three nice Tequila Girls there. All were do-able and one of them said it was PHP 2,500 payable to her as there wasn't a mamasan. Having been burnt by this process in the past I decided to give it a miss.

Against my better judgement (and sort of wanting to finish on a high note), I went into Doll House. I had previously seen a girl there with a tattoo of praying hands and rosary beads on her back. Something about that tattoo struck a chord with me and I wanted to have that girl. I asked the waitress if the girl with the praying tattoo was around. She immediately knew who I was talking about and said Mhonica. A few minutes later Mhonica was giving me a lap dance. I was hooked. I stuck a PHP 100 bill in the string of her thong bikini like a Vegas stripper. She had K-Pop make up on. You know, lot of foundation, deep red lipstick and heavy eye makeup. That, combined with her strawberry blonde hair made sure there was no doubt as to her target clientele. I went through the interview questions and concluded that all would be OK. So 3,000 PHP later and after tipping the waitress, she accompanied me to my room.

First she was hungry, so orders room service. All OK. Then I took her clothes off and then realized that she was going to be a starfish. She then complained that she was too tired and just wanted to sleep. She said she was even too tired to shower. WTF? Not much I could about a disinterested girl. I said that's fine, no problem, just sleep. But then she said she didn't like air conditioning and wanted me to turn it off. That was it. I had to make decision between sleeping with a disinterested Mhonica or sleeping with air conditioning. The air conditioning won and I booted her out. She seemed a little shocked that I would kick her out and I'm sure her ego was bruised. She was not a runner, just a non performer. I neither have the time nor inclination to put up with this rubbish. I put this down to another AC experience and a further question to add to my future interview list - "Are you too tired to have sex with me?

Gentlemen, you have been warned. Stay well away from Mhonica at the Doll House. The girl with the praying hands and rosary bead tattoo.

[Engine Driver]

During my last trip to AC, I found a few things quite amusing. Before I get the veterans upset on this forum, I should add I am not criticizing anyone. Merely making observations.

1. A bar girl may get hungry in the room, either before or after the deed. Nine times out of ten, she will order the Sinigang Na Hipon. She will always invite you to join her by ordering another packet of rice. If sour seafood soup with exotic vegetables is not to your liking at 3. 00 am, then it's OK to pass.

2. How many times can a bar girl say "Oh my ghaad" in one evening? The term seems to be creeping into every situation. I just laugh.

3. When you buy a girl an LD, she will say cheers and clang glasses for every sip, not just for the first sip. What ever, I just go with it.

4. The flavored beer revolution has not missed AC. Lemon or apple infused SM is the girls drink of choice now. Imagine the calories in each bottle. And its quite sweet.

[Sammon]

The air conditioning won and I booted her out. She seemed a little shocked that I would kick her out and I'm sure her ego was bruised. She was not a runner, just a non performer. I neither have the time nor inclination to put up with this rubbish. I put this down to another AC experience and a further question to add to my future interview list - "Are you too tired to have sex with me?

Gentlemen, you have been warned. Stay well away from Mhonica at the Doll House. The girl with the praying hands and rosary bead tattoo.If I may say so, you made few mistakes.

1. Never show you are enamored by any girl even if she is a goddess. They exploit your weakness by pulling stunts like this. Remember these are play by night girls and you should have no patience to play along with their games.

2. Tired or not, Shower or not, fuck her. After all you paid for it. I have never ever not have sex at least one time with a girl I barfined.

3. Her ego is bruised! She won her game. You are a sucker, plain and simple.

Note to all, You are the buyer. You set the rules. Air con stays on. You paid to fuck the girl. Do not take NO for an answer. Nobody guarantees all night but one time sex should be there.

[IllusionHeart]

3. When you buy a girl an LD, she will say cheers and clang glasses for every sip, not just for the first sip. What ever, I just go with it.

Engine Driver, I experienced this often. Initially it feels ok but then it really starts to get on the nerves. I have also had two girls who would clank their bottle or glass with mine for every sip and say Tagay. Never heard Thai girls say Chokdee so many times in my multiple trips.

[IllusionHeart]

IllusionH, I really enjoyed your trip reports. Did you get a chance to snap any pics?

I checked out the website for this range, but they do not seem to have much information in terms of prices and urge you to get in touch for customised package info. Any ballpark numbers you can share? Any documentation required, I am not comfortable in or want to take the effort to procure any additional documents (other than passport).

Action, I did take bunch of photographs of sights and girls, all none nude though. Personal went up on my Social app profiles and FB page. Girls pics as a personal preference don't post online but store them purely for own memoirs. Been following this practice since a long time and I know it sometimes make my FRs too bland but I am absolutely ok with it.

I will send a PM with the necessary details.

[Dg8787]

IllusionH, I really enjoyed your trip reports. Did you get a chance to snap any pics?


A query for members, I have also generally googled this, but is July a good time to visit AC? I have read that it will be raining for most of it, and it is also off-season (which is something I prefer when in Thailand - to avoid the tourist hordes). Since I have never been to AC and PI, just wanted to check if a visit in July makes sense, does it just keep pouring down constantly / flooding the streets? Given that its off-season, is my understanding correct that the girl numbers will be impacted but not by so much since there are so many bars there will always be something worthwhile to find? Thanks.Any month is good in AC. Rain never killed any one in the Philippines. When it rains it is still 75 plus degrees outside. It pours and stop then pours and stop and sometimes it doesn't stop for hours. I am not aware of streets flooding in any place in AC where we would normally go.

There is no lack of pussy during any season. Repeat, there is no lack of pussy during any season. No harder to find than a pack of cigarettes, in any season. Cost wise, it is true the $10 days that the old timers want back are gone! I long for $1. 09 gasoline too but those days are gone too. With the same logic I can blame the rise of gasoline cost on the over payers who pay $3. 00+!

You can have a great time here in July. Just don't whine and cry because it isn't like the USA or Australia.

Tip of the day: In order not to leave on a disappointment last night, go back and get your best performer for your encore.

[Pantot]

A few minutes later Mhonica was giving me a lap dance. I was hooked. I stuck a PHP 100 bill in the string of her thong bikini like a Vegas stripper. She had K-Pop make up on. You know, lot of foundation, deep red lipstick and heavy eye makeup. That, combined with her strawberry blonde hair made sure there was no doubt as to her target clientele. Ok I'll bite.

Korean Hipster guy with a 4 inch needle dick who lasts 1 minute with 1 pop of mish and mainly wants to walk around with her and impress his buddies and mainly values her as arm candy? Thats my guess who is her target clientele.


First she was hungry, so orders room service. .Thats a big mistake to allow that. Room service is fine after sex once she is a known quantity, she's already spending the night and there is more sex later.

If you are feeding her before hand you need to do it completely away from your room and the hotel even go to a restaurant and have her (and you) walk it off a little. The smell of food in the room kills the whole first time sexual encounter. Sex on a full stomach is never ideal and what is her incentive to please you when her senses have been satisfied along with her purse? These are girls that grew up on the sensation of an empty stomach, make them earn the right to fill it, to be brutally coldly frank.

That type of girl who is all over you in the bar then their first thought once alone with you is food, well that's bad bad sign, and the fact is you BF'd a girl that really wasn't into you and manipulated you and she got off with a BF, a free meal and no sex in return and you let her off early.

I would just chalk it up to experience, learn from it and leave the bitterness behind. Tons of makeup, tats and a wild lap dance is no leading indicator of a GFE once in the room alone. It means she's likely been in AC a long time and knows how to get barfined which is goal #1 and pleases the guys she wants to please and manipulates the guys she doesn't.

Calling her out may just increase the interest of guys who want to 'conquer' her rather than your intended goal of shaming her. For me she's not my type, I prefer the shy quiet ones who develop a warmth to me while having a LD and have not yet learned the ways of playing her AC bar customers as your lady did.

Whenever I barfined the girl who was all over me in the bar, it was a public show that never translated into the hotel room, that's my personal experience, others may have better luck with that type but not me.

Otherwise the Sinigang observation was dead on. They do always order that, more than half the time. Its horrible stuff to my taste. Just make the swallow your seed first to earn it.

[Engine Driver]

Ok I'll bite.

Korean Hipster guy with a 4 inch needle dick who lasts 1 minute with 1 pop of mish and mainly wants to walk around with her and impress his buddies and mainly values her as arm candy? Thats my guess who is her target clientele.

Thats a big mistake to allow that. Room service is fine after sex once she is a known quantity, she's already spending the night and there is more sex later.

If you are feeding her before hand you need to do it completely away from your room and the hotel even go to a restaurant and have her (and you) walk it off a little. The smell of food in the room kills the whole first time sexual encounter. Sex on a full stomach is never ideal and what is her incentive to please you when her senses have been satisfied along with her purse? These are girls that grew up on the sensation of an empty stomach, make them earn the right to fill it, to be brutally coldly frank.

That type of girl who is all over you in the bar then their first thought once alone with you is food, well that's bad bad sign, and the fact is you BF'd a girl that really wasn't into you and manipulated you and she got off with a BF, a free meal and no sex in return and you let her off early.

I would just chalk it up to experience, learn from it and leave the bitterness behind. Tons of makeup, tats and a wild lap dance is no leading indicator of a GFE once in the room alone. It means she's likely been in AC a long time and knows how to get barfined which is goal #1 and pleases the guys she wants to please and manipulates the guys she doesn't.

Calling her out may just increase the interest of guys who want to 'conquer' her rather than your intended goal of shaming her. For me she's not my type, I prefer the shy quiet ones who develop a warmth to me while having a LD and have not yet learned the ways of playing her AC bar customers as your lady did.

Whenever I barfined the girl who was all over me in the bar, it was a public show that never translated into the hotel room, that's my personal experience, others may have better luck with that type but not me.

Otherwise the Sinigang observation was dead on. They do always order that, more than half the time. Its horrible stuff to my taste. Just make the swallow your seed first to earn it.Guys, thank you very much for your advice. It is appreciated. At least I won't die wondering what a night with a K-pop girl would be like. I'm not going to be any poorer by losing 3,000 PHP and Mhonica is not going to get any richer. I put it down to a good learning experience. It's cool.

I have just come home and am already dreaming about my next trip to AC. The place has that effect on you and after you visit AC, life is never the same. You will think about pounding Pinay pussy every single day while stuck in your current situation. Next time I will camp at the Lewis Grand for a week and do all my bar fining at the Perimeter bars (the 11.00 pm closing is fine with me) and also the 2nd tier bars like Pony Tails, Insomnia and Icarus. My experience at these places has always been good. I shall leave the complexities of the big Walking Street bars to you seasoned experts, the Korean hipsters and the Malaysian Wolf Packs. It does seem that you need several visits to AC to properly understand the culture.

The only time I will approach the gate to Walking Street will be to get a calling card from one of the massage cuties for a Jenlipsun massage!!

Happy hunting!

[ActionOriented]

Tip of the day: In order not to leave on a disappointment last night, go back and get your best performer for your encore.Point taken. The weather in the PI does not impact our hobby. My understanding is that while there is no lack of availability, to avoid misses, I must keep the best performer in mind. In SE Asia, I rarely am in the habit of repeating girls, no time like the present to begin. Thanks again.


Action, I did take bunch of photographs of sights and girls, all none nude though. Personal went up on my Social app profiles and FB page. Girls pics as a personal preference don't post online but store them purely for own memoirs. Been following this practice since a long time and I know it sometimes make my FRs too bland but I am absolutely ok with it.

I will send a PM with the necessary details.Thanks for the PM, info was helpful. Your style of reporting is not bland sans the photos, it is a personal choice to post pics or not.

Now for me to do a little bit of RTFF and finalise the trip soon, if possible.

[Socker]

I'm glad some of you get the message in the spirit it was intended. What I am implying is that the benefit of the bars is so great that the surrounding area of AC doesn't matter. Take away the bars and it is a Stinking. Shit. Hole. Certainly not discouraging anyone from going. It's a must do experience. You will feel like a kid in a candy store unable to decide what to take.I get you. Now it's a must do experience before it was.


Angeles City is one big stinking shit hole which no one in their right mind would ever visit it if it wasn't for the bars. Given that you are going to be stuck in this hell on earth for a few days, how do you pass the time when you are not pounding Pinay pussy? You need to get really creative to make it into a memorable holiday and not just remembered for how many 5'0' Asian babes you conquered.
It's just boring around here and your type is the reason. Big mouth know-it-alls. Thank you for letting us in on the fact we go to AC because of the bars and the BGs. F-ing brilliant!

[Gangles]

I have a juicy damsel who is perfect in every way, except that she has crooked teeth.

I am interested to have her teeth realigned, but I need to know of a good orthodontist in Angeles City who can do the job.

Can anyone give me recommendations of good orthodontists in Angeles City?

Thanks in anticipation.

G

[X Man]

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/493748/lahar-landslides-kill-10

Was that an attempt at black humor?


Any month is good in AC. Rain never killed any one in the Philippines. SNIP

[Dg8787]

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/493748/lahar-landslides-kill-10

Was that an attempt at black humor?Not at all. I was making light fun of how people are so afraid of getting wet when it rains. I guess for the locals they have no way of drying their wet clothes. For us foreigners it is just a matter sending it to the laundry. No way was this black humor regarding flooding or landslides.

[Engine Driver]

I have a juicy damsel who is perfect in every way, except that she has crooked teeth.

I am interested to have her teeth realigned, but I need to know of a good orthodontist in Angeles City who can do the job.

Can anyone give me recommendations of good orthodontists in Angeles City?

Thanks in anticipation.

GTry Dr Tey at Smile Makeover next to Jollie Bee. I lost my retainer during my travels. I could have waited to see my dentist back in Melbourne who would have charged me $500 for a replacement.

The staff at Lewis Grand suggested I go to Dr Tey. She apparently has a lot of foreign patients. She was kind enough to fit me in straight away and her technician turned the new appliance around for me in 24-hours. Cost was 4,000 PHP. I was impressed.

[BeachBoy46]

Ok I'll bite.


If you are feeding her before hand you need to do it completely away from your room and the hotel even go to a restaurant and have her (and you) walk it off a little. The smell of food in the room kills the whole first time sexual encounter. Sex on a full stomach is never ideal and what is her incentive to please you when her senses have been satisfied along with her purse? These are girls that grew up on the sensation of an empty stomach, make them earn the right to fill it, to be brutally coldly frank.



Otherwise the Sinigang observation was dead on. They do always order that, more than half the time. Its horrible stuff to my taste. Just make the swallow your seed first to earn it.I was always astounded by the amount of food those tiny 5'. 0' babes could put away in one meal. A couple of Apple beers, an enormous plate of something that I could not pronounce let alone eat and follow up with a gigantic Banana Split. All that fucking must be the reason they need to consume their own bodyweight in food each day! Seriously, I am twice their weight and could not eat half of what they put away in one go.

[LifeIsABeach]

I have a juicy damsel who is perfect in every way, except that she has crooked teeth. I am interested to have her teeth realigned, but I need to know of a good orthodontist in Angeles City who can do the job. Can anyone give me recommendations of good orthodontists in Angeles City? Hey, send her to Westy and he'll make sure her teeth are aligned after some blow jobs!

[Red Kilt]

I was always astounded by the amount of food those tiny 5'. 0' babes could put away in one meal. A couple of Apple beers, an enormous plate of something that I could not pronounce let alone eat and follow up with a gigantic Banana Split. All that fucking must be the reason they need to consume their own bodyweight in food each day! Seriously, I am twice their weight and could not eat half of what they put away in one go.I recall soon after I first came to the Philippines one of my colleagues in Australia sent an email asking me to say Hi to all those LBFMFBR.

It was subsequently explained to me as the well known LBFM Fuelled By Rice. As a newbie, I found it hilarious at the time; 18 years later now I know it's true.

[Member #4387]

Hey, send her to Westy and he'll make sure her teeth are aligned after some blow jobs!Haha and he is obviously cheaper than dentist Tey as well. Hell, he even donate a few pisos if his client is on time to her appointment and he uses only tools de naturell.

[Switched]

During my last trip to AC, I found a few things quite amusing. Before I get the veterans upset on this forum, I should add I am not criticizing anyone. Merely making observations.

1. A bar girl may get hungry in the room, either before or after the deed. Nine times out of ten, she will order the Sinigang Na Hipon. She will always invite you to join her by ordering another packet of rice. If sour seafood soup with exotic vegetables is not to your liking at 3. 00 am, then it's OK to pass.

2. How many times can a bar girl say "Oh my ghaad" in one evening? The term seems to be creeping into every situation. I just laugh.

3. When you buy a girl an LD, she will say cheers and clang glasses for every sip, not just for the first sip. What ever, I just go with it.

4. The flavored beer revolution has not missed AC. Lemon or apple infused SM is the girls drink of choice now. Imagine the calories in each bottle. And its quite sweet.In response,

1. Not usually my experience, however, I usually offer a girl food before going to my room.

2. 47. (On a side note. Does anyone know the tagalog equivalent to "see how you are" - that one makes me laugh.

3. This one annoys me. I am a slow drinker and at first I thought venues did this to make me drink faster. I now explain to the girls after the second one that it is rude to say cheers without having a reason to cheers, and if she wants to cheers me, to make a reason to cheers. The extra mental effort on the girls part is a deterrent to cheersi'ng and they stop soon enough.

4. It's a poor man's cider.

[WestCoast1]

Hey, send her to Westy and he'll make sure her teeth are aligned after some blow jobs!Well I *do* offer my special Der Westcoastjian method. Also my special 'flossing' service (been offering it for years, but recently brought to light here on ISG). Anything else I can do for your girl, G, let me know.

[Sammon]

I was always astounded by the amount of food those tiny 5'. 0' babes could put away in one meal. A couple of Apple beers, an enormous plate of something that I could not pronounce let alone eat and follow up with a gigantic Banana Split. All that fucking must be the reason they need to consume their own bodyweight in food each day! Seriously, I am twice their weight and could not eat half of what they put away in one go.You forget one thing. While you grew up on baby formulas, child formulas etc these girls grew up on mother's milk, cow milk and whatever edible food is there. While you were fed with quality food and decide whatever you want with affordable western food, these girls ate rice, rice and rice with a side of some vegetables and some bits of meat or fish if their parents can afford.

So it is little wonder the girls like to eat well especially if you are buying. Left to themselves I have seen them filling their stomachs with cheap local food at corner food stalls. Jollibee every day is out of their reach because they are trying to save every bit of money to send home. Very few popular girls are corrupted by easy money and go for the best things in life.

So go easy on them. Let them eat to their heart's content. Never tell them what to order if you are generous enough to feed them.

[X Man]

In 1980 it was LBFMFOR (fed on rice). You could buy a t-shirt with that. I'm sure I had a chuckle the first time this was explained. Nevertheless, I don't really like this kind of stereotype / humor. No offense intended RK. As usual.


I recall soon after I first came to the Philippines one of my colleagues in Australia sent an email asking me to say Hi to all those LBFMFBR.

It was subsequently explained to me as the well known LBFM Fuelled By Rice. As a newbie, I found it hilarious at the time; 18 years later now I know it's true.

[Red Kilt]

In 1980 it was LBFMFOR (fed on rice). You could buy a t-shirt with that. I'm sure I had a chuckle the first time this was explained. Nevertheless, I don't really like this kind of stereotype / humor. No offense intended RK. As usual.I don't like the "LBFM" epithet either XMan which is why I never spelled it out in my post.

I thought the FBR - "fuelled by rice"- was funny though. We all know machines need fuel.

[IllusionHeart]

So go easy on them. Let them eat to their heart's content. Never tell them what to order if you are generous enough to feed them.

Sammon, rightly said. These girls provide us company, pleasure and happiness. The least we can do without being selfish is to also feed them well while we are stuffing our bellies. It is really unfortunate and sad that they need to skip meals or eat less in order to save money for their families. If anyone of you is visiting in future it would be my humble request to you to treat them like humans and offer lunch or dinner if its time and I mean bellyful need not be expensive. If you happen to take them to a restaurant then let them order on their own will. Trust me you wont become poorer by letting a girl order what she wants to eat or drink.

I think this is the least I can do to by being human. People have their opinions and choices which they can exercise. This is my choice.

[BeachBoy46]

Sammon, rightly said. These girls provide us company, pleasure and happiness. The least we can do without being selfish is to also feed them well while we are stuffing our bellies. It is really unfortunate and sad that they need to skip meals or eat less in order to save money for their families. If anyone of you is visiting in future it would be my humble request to you to treat them like humans and offer lunch or dinner if its time and I mean bellyful need not be expensive. If you happen to take them to a restaurant then let them order on their own will. Trust me you wont become poorer by letting a girl order what she wants to eat or drink.

I think this is the least I can do to by being human. People have their opinions and choices which they can exercise. This is my choice.Could not agree more. My "date" for the night and myself always had dinner before retiring to my room. They always ordered whatever they wanted. They polished the lot off, no problem.

My comment was my wonderment at the amount this tiny babe would consume. I had to see it to believe it. I hope it did not come across that I was complaining. My posts show I gave the girls whatever they asked and more. Also a comment about our lucky upbringing compared with these girls. I also acknowledged this extensively in my contributions. However, I have to draw the line at a Balut. No further explanation needed. Cheers Mike.

[Dick Hertz]

Does anyone know of a website that list all the cost from the bars? Such as bar fine or EWR and drink prices. I had a site listed as my favorites list on my old computer but can not find it since I have a new one.

[Lakeside]

Does anyone know of a website that list all the cost from the bars? Such as bar fine or EWR and drink prices. I had a site listed as my favorites list on my old computer but can not find it since I have a new one.Two websites with current EWR and drink prices:

http://tomrich.sakura.ne.jp/nightspotangeles.html#.

http://www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php

[Engine Driver]

I don't like the "LBFM" epithet either XMan which is why I never spelled it out in my post.

I thought the FBR - "fuelled by rice"- was funny though. We all know machines need fuel.We may find the term racist and offensive now, but it was first used by US military personnel during the Vietnam War referring to prostitutes from Vietnam, Philippines and Thailand.

[Christian G]

Does anyone know of a website that list all the cost from the bars? Such as bar fine or EWR and drink prices. I had a site listed as my favorites list on my old computer but can not find it since I have a new one.I do not know if the prices are updated, but give a look here http://www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.php.

[Engine Driver]

Could not agree more. My "date" for the night and myself always had dinner before retiring to my room. They always ordered whatever they wanted. They polished the lot off, no problem.

My comment was my wonderment at the amount this tiny babe would consume. I had to see it to believe it. I hope it did not come across that I was complaining. My posts show I gave the girls whatever they asked and more. Also a comment about our lucky upbringing compared with these girls. I also acknowledged this extensively in my contributions. However, I have to draw the line at a Balut. No further explanation needed. Cheers Mike.I usually ask the girl where she would like to eat as they have a better idea than we do. One girl took me to Cabalen, which is an all you can eat Filipino buffet at SM Clark. It was not your stereotypical pork adobo, fried chicken and beef soup deal that are on the Kokomo menu. I have no idea what half of the dishes were, but it was certainly pretty good. My girl on that 'date' had plate after plate of sea snails and got value for money. This was followed by several plates of other delicacies. She finished with a desert which looked like Malaysian ice kachang. I think she was full and still managed to perform OK.

[Lou32]

So far, Pattaya sucks. Can't wait to get to AC. The top stunners at the gogos here look like slightly above average Pinays. It turns out that most of these Thai girls are ugly to me. Filipinas turn me on but I thought I'd give these Thai women a chance. Big mistake and a waste of money. So many scams here too! The infrastructure is slightly better than AC but that's it.

I've been hoodwinked about the so called Land of Smiles. A few more days then FREEDOM! Off to the Philippines!

[Smoothy]

So far, Pattaya sucks. Can't wait to get to AC. The top stunners at the gogos here look like slightly above average Pinays. It turns out that most of these Thai girls are ugly to me. Filipinas turn me on but I thought I'd give these Thai women a chance. Big mistake and a waste of money. So many scams here too! The infrastructure is slightly better than AC but that's it.

I've been hoodwinked about the so called Land of Smiles. A few more days then FREEDOM! Off to the Philippines!Infrastructure is "slightly" better than AC? I'd say more like 10 times better. The infrastructure in AC is crap. If you want hot women in Thailand, they are in Bangkok. And they are way hotter in Bangkok than in AC.

In my opinion, girls in Thailand are better looking than girls in the PI for the most part. But I'm not a fan of Pattaya either.

[Fastpiston]

Infrastructure is "slightly" better than AC? I'd say more like 10 times better. The infrastructure in AC is crap. If you want hot women in Thailand, they are in Bangkok. And they are way hotter in Bangkok than in AC.

In my opinion, girls in Thailand are better looking than girls in the PI for the most part. But I'm not a fan of Pattaya either.AC is great for sex and absolutely nothing else.

In Pattaya sex is of course very available. During down time, eat good food, go shopping, sit on beach in deck chairs sipping coconuts. By the way, picking up female tourists on the beach is quite easy. I have scored a number of times and no cost involved. Infrastructure excellent, no law & order / bar raids issues, excellent medical facilities, easy transport Pattaya to / from Bangkok airport, compare with Manila! Plenty of tourist shop girls willing to earn cash on side, easy access to Cambodia.

[Robbaf]

I don't like the "LBFM" epithet either XMan which is why I never spelled it out in my post.

I thought the FBR - "fuelled by rice"- was funny though. We all know machines need fuel.In 2015 it is LBFM PBR ABC (Little Brown Flucking Machine, Powered by Rice, Activated by Cash).

[Engine Driver]

AC is great for sex and absolutely nothing else.

In Pattaya sex is of course very available. During down time, eat good food, go shopping, sit on beach in deck chairs sipping coconuts. By the way, picking up female tourists on the beach is quite easy. I have scored a number of times and no cost involved. Infrastructure excellent, no law & order / bar raids issues, excellent medical facilities, easy transport Pattaya to / from Bangkok airport, compare with Manila! Plenty of tourist shop girls willing to earn cash on side, easy access to Cambodia.This is an argument which no one can win. All a matter of personal preference.

Pattaya.

1. Excellent infrastructure and plenty to do in downtime when not banging bar girls.

2. Excellent food.

3. Thai girls on the whole are slightly prettier.

4. Difficult to communicate as girls don't know much English.

5. Some girls are more transactional here. It's business first.

Angeles City.

1. Dreadful infrastructure and not much to do in downtime.

2. Shit food. Have you ever seen a Filipino restaurant in your home country?

3. Sweet, affectionate girls consistently providing GFE.

4. All girls can speak English.

5. AC girl action might be a bit cheaper.

[Engine Driver]

Has anyone been to the bars west of the Clarkton Hotel on Don Juico Avenue? I noticed from the highway that there were a number of bars, KTVs, massage parlours and restaurants around that area. Are they only for Koreans or can anyone go?

[Dick Hertz]

Two websites with current EWR and drink prices:

http://tomrich.sakura.ne.jp/nightspotangeles.html#.

http://www.asianescapades.com/free/interactivemap/prices.phpThanks Lakeside that is one of the sites I remembered.

[Sir Lancelot]

2. Shit food. Have you ever seen a Filipino restaurant in your home country?I think you mean 'shit cuisine'. The food is fine in Angeles and there are lots of good restaurants to eat at. I agree in terms of cuisine, Philippines lags some distance behind Thailand but sisig is tasty and adobo is worth trying too.


5. AC girl action might be a bit cheaper.If you concentrate on like-for-like (the gogo bars), Angeles is considerably cheaper. It's 3000 pesos all-in for a pretty girl to stay long-time but in Pattaya a girl of a similar standard from one of the gogo bars would cost 600 baht bar-fine (more in some bars) plus 3000 long-time (negotiated with the girl) = 3600 baht+. So taking pretty girls from the gogo bars in Angeles for long-time is 62% the price of Pattaya, sometimes cheaper.

But whereas most bars in Pattaya have fairly consistent ST / LT rates, in Angeles pretty girls can be found for 1700/2000 pesos on Perimeter Road. 1700 pesos is 35% what you pay in Pattaya. I really enjoy Pattaya but the gogo girls are much more expensive. The good thing in Pattaya is the variety on offer but prices are even rising at the traditionally cheap soi 6. Massage with extras places, like those in Soi Buakhao, represent the best value in my opinion but that's a quickie on a single mattress behind some curtains, not all night with a pretty girl in the comfort of your hotel room.

Comparing Angeles and Pattaya is like comparing apples and oranges. Both are great, it depends what mood you're in.

[Sammon]

This is an argument which no one can win. All a matter of personal preference.

Pattaya.

1. Excellent infrastructure and plenty to do in downtime when not banging bar girls.

2. Excellent food.

3. Thai girls on the whole are slightly prettier.

4. Difficult to communicate as girls don't know much English.

5. Some girls are more transactional here. It's business first.

Angeles City.

1. Dreadful infrastructure and not much to do in downtime.

2. Shit food. Have you ever seen a Filipino restaurant in your home country?

3. Sweet, affectionate girls consistently providing GFE.

4. All girls can speak English.

5. AC girl action might be a bit cheaper.All these matter if you want to live in Pattaya or AC long time. Or if you want to visit more than 2 weeks.

For a mongering trip for less than 2 weeks food, infrastructure etc is of not much importance.

Everybody has their preference in girls but the bottom line for us is who gives us the best service and the best companionship.

In Pattaya if I want company to take on trips I go to massage parlors and select a nice eye candy and ask her. For a fee you should be able to take the girl out for whole day and night. I have done it many times. Be ready for rejection from some if they do not like you. But the majority will say yes. Sex is naturally included and the there is no discussion about price except give money to massage place to take the girl out. When the girl leaves next day you give whatever you feel she is worth but be generous.

In AC there are girls who will accompany you on day trips. Most often they want to bring a friend (I do not object) . It is lot of fun with two girls frolicking on the beach.

AC has good restaurents with good food unless you like Thai type of food. For a short visit once again it should not matter.

[Dg8787]

AC fits my purposes. I do not go there to inspect the infrastructure or look for Las Vegas around the clock glitzy entertainment. I am not looking for 5 star dining.

The roads are fine, they go to where I want to go. The transportation is fine, the 3 wheel taxis get me to where I want to go in a speedy fashion. Some of the trike drivers are the best in the world. Rarely do you see any road rage. The drivers are more courteous to each other than else where in the first world countries. They have their unwritten rules and code of conduct.

My hotel has clean hot water and strong shower and working toilet along with a clean bed for my pleasure.

There are excellent restaurants if you take the time and trouble to find them. Plenty of available transportation to them. Yes, you might have to pay $8. 00 for a good meal!

AC fits my purposes.

Btw, western cuisine is shit cuisine to some non-westerners. It is all in the matter of tastes or learned taste. Some like to dine at the Y and some not. I go by the saying "once you get past the smell you got it licked".

[MarkFalcon33]

AC fits my purposes. I do not go there to inspect the infrastructure or look for Las Vegas around the clock glitzy entertainment. I am not looking for 5 star dining.

The roads are fine, they go to where I want to go. The transportation is fine, the 3 wheel taxis get me to where I want to go in a speedy fashion. Some of the trike drivers are the best in the world. Rarely do you see any road rage. The drivers are more courteous to each other than else where in the first world countries. They have their unwritten rules and code of conduct.

My hotel has clean hot water and strong shower and working toilet along with a clean bed for my pleasure.

There are excellent restaurants if you take the time and trouble to find them. Plenty of available transportation to them. Yes, you might have to pay $8. 00 for a good meal!

AC fits my purposes.

Btw, western cuisine is shit cuisine to some non-westerners. It is all in the matter of tastes or learned taste. Some like to dine at the Y and some not. I go by the saying "once you get past the smell you got it licked".I'm amazed how many people will judge Angeles because of all the different reasons.

They will say to many fat chick but in truth, every bar has at least one you will want to do so why does it matter how many others there are and with about 100 bars plus you can feel your boat until you leave.

There are hotels with great breakfast and others with great dinner so why cry about the food.

Funny part is, the tricks think there screwing you over by charging you 100 peso's for a ride when the real world is it is only 2. 50 usd.

So in the end, you get what your going there for, young girls and more young girls.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I'm amazed how many people will judge Angeles because of all the different reasons.

They will say to many fat chick but in truth, every bar has at least one you will want to do so why does it matter how many others there are and with about 100 bars plus you can feel your boat until you leave.

There are hotels with great breakfast and others with great dinner so why cry about the food.

Funny part is, the tricks think there screwing you over by charging you 100 peso's for a ride when the real world is it is only 2. 50 usd.

So in the end, you get what your going there for, young girls and more young girls.To Mark.

Like I been saying all along AC is not for everyone some of us love it and some don't we all have your own standard, if you just like cheap sex don't mine staying in a shit hole full of scammer for a few days then this is a heaven for you.

Fast eddie 48.

[Simmer]

2. Shit food. Have you ever seen a Filipino restaurant in your home country?LOL, but I'd alter that slightly as in both Western countries I've lived in there are numerous Filipino restaurants (definitely less common though):


2. Shit food. Have you ever seen a non-Filipino eat in a Filipino restaurant in your home country?

[ConquerorVal]

If you don't like Filipino food, just look at the Photo Gallery and think of pie. That all that a monger really needs to sustain him.

[Offshore Swell]

To Mark.

Like I been saying all along AC is not for everyone some of us love it and some don't we all have your own standard, if you just like cheap sex don't mine staying in a shit hole full of scammer for a few days then this is a heaven for you.

Fast eddie 48.Thats good Eddie, some more really interesting new information. Did you find this out yourself or was it your alter ego that journeyed there?

Truth is I don't actually mind your recycling of already known information as it provides a really good broadbrush summary of the sum total of known information about any place for those who are too lazy to RTTF.

So even though your fantasy world takes you to all these exotic places from your keyboard every day. You do provide a service.

Just imagine how good you could be if you really travelled to these places and tried some real pussy.

OS.

[Engine Driver]

If you don't like Filipino food, just look at the Photo Gallery and think of pie. That all that a monger really needs to sustain him.Yeah, nice shaved pussy pie. Speaking of which, I did notice that all girls now shave. I don't think I banged a hairy one at all on my last trip. A few years ago, a few managed to escape with their fur burgers intact.

[Lou32]

Infrastructure is "slightly" better than AC? I'd say more like 10 times better. The infrastructure in AC is crap. If you want hot women in Thailand, they are in Bangkok. And they are way hotter in Bangkok than in AC.

In my opinion, girls in Thailand are better looking than girls in the PI for the most part. But I'm not a fan of Pattaya either.I can't comment on Bangkok but every stunner I've seen so far at the Pattaya gogos looks like an above average Angeles City Pinay. What is top of the line in Pattaya would struggle to stand out at a Perimeter bar in AC. Of course, that is just my opinion as each man has a different measure of a woman's beauty.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Thats good Eddie, some more really interesting new information. Did you find this out yourself or was it your alter ego that journeyed there?

Truth is I don't actually mind your recycling of already known information as it provides a really good broadbrush summary of the sum total of known information about any place for those who are too lazy to RTTF.

So even though your fantasy world takes you to all these exotic places from your keyboard every day. You do provide a service.

Just imagine how good you could be if you really travelled to these places and tried some real pussy.

OS.To AH.

So if you don't like it don't read my post or you can kiss my A H,do you have any info to post if you don't get out find some fantasy of your own.

Fast eddie 48.

[Pinaypounder]

Arrived in Angeles yesterday afternoon met with a friend and started to spend time in Angeles doing what you do. MY friend is well known here so we settled in a bar with a vview of the street.

The staff here was good and the natural flirtation began with less that perfect looking woman and that of course is fun and ok.

Sat there enjoying the scene for a few hours then got up and started to look at the "talent".

It was disappointing to say the least. 80% of the girls had a belly and these are girls that are 20 with no babies, they simply were fat and weak. I think I saw about 120 - 150 women and maybe 4 - 5 were doable. Most were young and fat and not sexxy.

There were more attractive waitresses than there were dancers.

As I sat I did see a very attractive door girl working the crowd down the street. And eventually we worked our way down to her. She was truly attractive and she was a door girl for Star Search, her name was Joanne. She is 25, no babies has a nice little rack, black hair and slightly buck teeth. We discussed particulars I asked her what was off limits, she played dumb (that was my fault as I was tired) I decided to take her home.

I decided to take her out, and we did the walk of shame Bar fine was 2800. She wanted another 1800 on top, I said WTF I was in a good mood and did not feel like arguing.

Walked home amicably got some snacks and got to the room I had mentioned I was tired from travelling and we might just cuddle first and then have sex in the morning.

WE got to the room and the first thought for her was could I watch TV yeah not fucking likely. We got ready to sleep and lo and behold I decided we would have sex.

I kissed my way down her wonderful body but no kissing and she started to complain about almost everything her breasts could not be fondled.

I got to her pussy and in my history this was the ONLY woman I could not give an orgasm to orally and I mean the only one of hundreds.

She would not let me finger her and wanted a condom.

That is fine so I got her to suck me, that was pathetic and the condom was placed.

Intercourse began and I am a slow cummer and we fucked and fucked, not to deep not to deep I think she came a couple of times but it was not great and her negativity ensured I went hard and deep.

Had intercourse for a while and then I knew I was not going to finish so I stopped.

Tried a little cuddling and affectionate play again shut out, I even shaved my face for her.

Instead of fighting I just slept on my side of the bed, christ I could have stayed married for this.

In the am she got up and of course avoided more sex and just left, properly she did not ask for her tip and simply left.

Avoid her. I don't go much for pay for play any more, this event used to happen 1 in 8 or 10 times, completely disappointing.

What was worse was her body was amazing and I wanted to post some pics of it here, but we never got to that part.

Hopefully Angeles treats me better tonight.

PP.

[Engine Driver]

It was disappointing to say the least. 80% of the girls had a belly and these are girls that are 20 with no babies, they simply were fat and weak. I think I saw about 120 - 150 women and maybe 4 - 5 were doable. Most were young and fat and not sexxy.

PP.San Miguel did not become one of the most successful companies in the world without having a slick marketing team. Let's pump full strength beer with sugar and infuse it with apple or lemon flavour and the Pinays will all guzzle it by the crate load. That's certainly what has happened in AC. Beer is the LD of choice for just about every bar girl now. No wonder 20 year olds are walking around with beer guts. A few years ago, they were sipping lolly water from small glass tumblers. The trick was not to get drunk, but just to take the commission from LD sales. Don't forget that many of them also get stuck into Red Horse when they get back to their dorms. An 80 pound Pinay and several bottles of beer a night is not a good mix.

I was surprised to learn of the girl who negotiated a tip upfront. Seriously, many girls have an inflated view of their value. Just walk away. Several newbies arrive each day from the provinces looking to make their fortune!

[Pinaypounder]

This may seem weak but I am not much into searching as you simply end up drinking to much then rolling the dice anyways lilke last night, I simply want a young woman who has not had a baby who is a great performer.

I am long time poster here and will take recommendations.

Looks are less important than attitude and performance.

PP.

[Engine Driver]

This may seem weak but I am not much into searching as you simply end up drinking to much then rolling the dice anyways lilke last night, I simply want a young woman who has not had a baby who is a great performer.

I am long time poster here and will take recommendations.

Looks are less important than attitude and performance.

PP.Try Joy at Asia House. 25 years old, no baby, very skinny, big natural boobs, black hair. Hispanic in appearance. Not your usual Pinay look. Positive attitude and fun to be with. If there are several Joys there, just ask the waitress to bring you the one with big tits.

[D Cups]

How big are they?


Try Joy at Asia House. 25 years old, no baby, very skinny, big natural boobs, black hair. Hispanic in appearance. Not your usual Pinay look. Positive attitude and fun to be with. If there are several Joys there, just ask the waitress to bring you the one with big tits..

[Engine Driver]

How big are they?

.See Cup, might be a bit small for you but then again you might be able to squeeze in a titty fuck. LOL.

[D Cups]

Cee Cup is nice on a tiny Pinay frame. Thanks, ED.


See Cup, might be a bit small for you but then again you might be able to squeeze in a titty fuck. LOL..

[Pinaypounder]

OMG I just penned 500 words about the best fuck of my life and it was deleted, non plussed I shall try to reveal its lost essence.

10 minutes ago (now 30) the single best fuck of my long life left the room, thank god, I need sleep and with her in the room that was not going to happen and I am not even disappointed about her departure. The last 45 minutes was a duel between 2 highly trained sex performers for the world title of best fucker in the world and it was a split decisions, that bout should have been a pay per view TV event, we both would be rich.

The evening began the same as last night with laughs and good company, the waitress from last night again avoided my advances (I will be sure to thank her tonight) so my bud and I headed to a new venue.

We entered a building dedicated to the stripping your wallet of its contents and it featured over 160 women. 60% of these were doable, a vast improvement over last nights adventures.

We sat and had a couple of pops and observed, it was clearly an advanced case of cognitive dissonance, whom to choose and why. Several inspired me but for some reason I made a choice.

I indicated to the staff that a busty young lady should be brought to me, turns out she was 30 with 1 child, I am not sure I can reveal her name until at least this buzz wears off of me. She was short maybe 5 ft, great augmented breasts and wore a black bikini. Strong features but not amazing beyond her breasts.

We sat and had the required drink and frankly there was no chemistry at all. I was in fact about to say "ah forget it" I am tired and tomorrow is a big day when she revealed a wonderful right nipple and I thought ah WTH at least I can get a good nights sleep curled up with her. And frankly I had worked hard for the money I was about to spend so I deserved this treat.

We exited the premises and headed home amicably. WE entered my room, a nice room I chose based on "the ability to fuck in it scale" and we took a shower together and the foreshadowing of a great evening began to show. Nice shower, gentle, committed, cleansing of each other and exist to the stool, I indicated that my cock needed her attention and she performed well VERY wel with absolutely no hestitation.

WE moved to the bed, (I love stools) a condom was applied and for the next 45 minuted we fucked and fucked and fucked wonderfully. Deep, hard, soft, gentle we connected at a very deep amazing level, upside down standing porno blow job, pussy eating, doggie, cowgirl, deep hard angry mutually wonderful fucking with a nice orgasm on her tits and throat with her mouth on my balls, easily a top 250 event say on a scale of 5000.

A little shower and we cuddle my arms around her hands entwined and sleep graciously arrives.

45 minutes later I wake up enormously aroused with an unquenchable thirst for **** and I begin to eat her pussy and she responds perfectly it was a hunger for **** rarely encountered on my behalf. Her hunger desire was equally evident.

The DATY proceeds perfectly and naturally to uncovered deep, hard, raucous penetration which in turn leads to the best sexual intercourse of my entire LIFE BAR NONE. Right now 25 minutes later I am covered in **** juices, scratches and bite marks listening to the fucking chickens while I type as the athletic burn of well used muscles ebbs from my body. I am frankly in heaven.

The flood of genuine euphoria is leaving my body slowly and frankly I am glad she left as there was no possible way that could be repeated and no way either of us would sleep.

Typically I hate when they leave but that was a parting of 2 persons who realized that A, that was EPIC sex and be, we need sleep, plus she was hungry and her whole body was shaking. There was a mutual, genuine admiration and affection of each other participation at one point she revealed that she expected me to be a 2 minute pump and dump, LOL I wish. We are fucking professionals but alas only one of us got paid in cash.

I gave her the largest tip I ever gave a professional lady. We parted as friends and as 2 sexual adults who know we had an almost unique encounter.

That was easily the best fuck of my life and I am a man who was committed to this, that single event has made life worth living again in ways I had forgotten. That was the best workout and the best sex ever combined and WOW I am still tingling.

I don't know what could possibly follow this up, perhaps it is a sign to stop here and get married and enjoy the love of a single woman and actually become a proper male citizen again, I am not sure but waxing prophetically right now seems the thing to do.

Thanks to my friend Ms. S who once again proved risks are worth taking and that timing is everything. I will never ever forget what transpired here this evening.

I don't have her number and I am not sure I would even attempt to repeat. Perhaps it is better to quit while one is ahead perhaps this is a sign.

Now hopefully sleep will find me as tomorrow is a day to kick some ass. Thank you Ms S so much!

PP.

[Engine Driver]

OMG I just penned 500 words about the best fuck of my life and it was deleted, non plussed I shall try to reveal its lost essence.

10 minutes ago (now 30) the single best fuck of my long life left the room, thank god, I need sleep and with her in the room that was not going to happen and I am not even disappointed about her departure. The last 45 minutes was a duel between 2 highly trained sex performers for the world title of best fucker in the world and it was a split decisions, that bout should have been a pay per view TV event, we both would be rich.

The evening began the same as last night with laughs and good company, the waitress from last night again avoided my advances (I will be sure to thank her tonight) so my bud and I headed to a new venue.

We entered a building dedicated to the stripping your wallet of its contents and it featured over 160 women. 60% of these were doable, a vast improvement over last nights adventures.


PP.Nice report Mr. Pounder. Any chance you could tell us the name of the club and the bar fine?

[Engine Driver]

Cee Cup is nice on a tiny Pinay frame. Thanks, ED.

.This girl is skinny. Not an ounce of fat on her. Obviously doesn't like Jollie Bee.

[Naughty]

After dozens of visits to LOS and Cambodia I'll be making my first visit to PI at the end of the month. I plan to be filing reports starting June 30 or so. Has any of you regulars found a reliable pharmacy to get V or etc. in Angeles recently? I just can't see getting it off the street. Generics are OK as long as it's got real active ingredients and is clean. Also, any tips about making the arrangements for a 20 something spinner to travel to a surf break for a week or so would be appreciated. I'm going to do a little fishing and teach my way too old, soon to be retired ass to surf!

[Dg8787]

After dozens of visits to LOS and Cambodia I'll be making my first visit to PI at the end of the month. I plan to be filing reports starting June 30 or so. Has any of you regulars found a reliable pharmacy to get V or etc. in Angeles recently? I just can't see getting it off the street. Generics are OK as long as it's got real active ingredients and is clean. Also, any tips about making the arrangements for a 20 something spinner to travel to a surf break for a week or so would be appreciated. I'm going to do a little fishing and teach my way too old, soon to be retired ass to surf!You are very lucky. All the answers are in the reports. Some here some in others. I don't want to misquote anything so feel free to read.

[WestCoast1]

Generics are OK as long as it's got real active ingredients and is clean. Any pharmacy.


Also, any tips about making the arrangements for a 20 something spinner to travel to a surf break for a week or so would be appreciated. I'm going to do a little fishing and teach my way too old, soon to be retired ass to surf!Try Sabang (White beach). RTTF.

[Streetlooker]

Arrived in Angeles yesterday afternoon met with a friend and started to spend time in Angeles doing what you do. MY friend is well known here so we settled in a bar with a vview of the street.

The staff here was good and the natural flirtation began with less that perfect looking woman and that of course is fun and ok.

Sat there enjoying the scene for a few hours then got up and started to look at the "talent".

It was disappointing to say the least. 80% of the girls had a belly and these are girls that are 20 with no babies, they simply were fat and weak. I think I saw about 120 - 150 women and maybe 4 - 5 were doable. Most were young and fat and not sexxy.

There were more attractive waitresses than there were dancers.

As I sat I did see a very attractive door girl working the crowd down the street. And eventually we worked our way down to her. She was truly attractive and she was a door girl for Star Search, her name was Joanne. She is 25, no babies has a nice little rack, black hair and slightly buck teeth. We discussed particulars I asked her what was off limits, she played dumb (that was my fault as I was tired) I decided to take her home.

I decided to take her out, and we did the walk of shame Bar fine was 2800. She wanted another 1800 on top, I said WTF I was in a good mood and did not feel like arguing.

Walked home amicably got some snacks and got to the room I had mentioned I was tired from travelling and we might just cuddle first and then have sex in the morning.

WE got to the room and the first thought for her was could I watch TV yeah not fucking likely. We got ready to sleep and lo and behold I decided we would have sex.

I kissed my way down her wonderful body but no kissing and she started to complain about almost everything her breasts could not be fondled.

I got to her pussy and in my history this was the ONLY woman I could not give an orgasm to orally and I mean the only one of hundreds.

She would not let me finger her and wanted a condom.

That is fine so I got her to suck me, that was pathetic and the condom was placed.

Intercourse began and I am a slow cummer and we fucked and fucked, not to deep not to deep I think she came a couple of times but it was not great and her negativity ensured I went hard and deep.

Had intercourse for a while and then I knew I was not going to finish so I stopped.

Tried a little cuddling and affectionate play again shut out, I even shaved my face for her.

Instead of fighting I just slept on my side of the bed, christ I could have stayed married for this.

In the am she got up and of course avoided more sex and just left, properly she did not ask for her tip and simply left.

Avoid her. I don't go much for pay for play any more, this event used to happen 1 in 8 or 10 times, completely disappointing.

What was worse was her body was amazing and I wanted to post some pics of it here, but we never got to that part.

Hopefully Angeles treats me better tonight.

PP.Just a example of you never know what your going to get in the hotel room when you make your selection at the bar. It really is hit or miss on performance, A well performing 6 is always better then a starfish 9.

[Streetlooker]

OMG I just penned 500 words about the best fuck of my life and it was deleted, non plussed I shall try to reveal its lost essence.

10 minutes ago (now 30) the single best fuck of my long life left the room, thank god, I need sleep and with her in the room that was not going to happen and I am not even disappointed about her departure. The last 45 minutes was a duel between 2 highly trained sex performers for the world title of best fucker in the world and it was a split decisions, that bout should have been a pay per view TV event, we both would be rich.

The evening began the same as last night with laughs and good company, the waitress from last night again avoided my advances (I will be sure to thank her tonight) so my bud and I headed to a new venue.

We entered a building dedicated to the stripping your wallet of its contents and it featured over 160 women. 60% of these were doable, a vast improvement over last nights adventures.

We sat and had a couple of pops and observed, it was clearly an advanced case of cognitive dissonance, whom to choose and why. Several inspired me but for some reason I made a choice.

I indicated to the staff that a busty young lady should be brought to me, turns out she was 30 with 1 child, I am not sure I can reveal her name until at least this buzz wears off of me. She was short maybe 5 ft, great augmented breasts and wore a black bikini. Strong features but not amazing beyond her breasts.

We sat and had the required drink and frankly there was no chemistry at all. I was in fact about to say "ah forget it" I am tired and tomorrow is a big day when she revealed a wonderful right nipple and I thought ah WTH at least I can get a good nights sleep curled up with her. And frankly I had worked hard for the money I was about to spend so I deserved this treat.

We exited the premises and headed home amicably. WE entered my room, a nice room I chose based on "the ability to fuck in it scale" and we took a shower together and the foreshadowing of a great evening began to show. Nice shower, gentle, committed, cleansing of each other and exist to the stool, I indicated that my cock needed her attention and she performed well VERY wel with absolutely no hestitation.

WE moved to the bed, (I love stools) a condom was applied and for the next 45 minuted we fucked and fucked and fucked wonderfully. Deep, hard, soft, gentle we connected at a very deep amazing level, upside down standing porno blow job, pussy eating, doggie, cowgirl, deep hard angry mutually wonderful fucking with a nice orgasm on her tits and throat with her mouth on my balls, easily a top 250 event say on a scale of 5000.

A little shower and we cuddle my arms around her hands entwined and sleep graciously arrives.

45 minutes later I wake up enormously aroused with an unquenchable thirst for **** and I begin to eat her pussy and she responds perfectly it was a hunger for **** rarely encountered on my behalf. Her hunger desire was equally evident.

The DATY proceeds perfectly and naturally to uncovered deep, hard, raucous penetration which in turn leads to the best sexual intercourse of my entire LIFE BAR NONE. Right now 25 minutes later I am covered in **** juices, scratches and bite marks listening to the fucking chickens while I type as the athletic burn of well used muscles ebbs from my body. I am frankly in heaven.

The flood of genuine euphoria is leaving my body slowly and frankly I am glad she left as there was no possible way that could be repeated and no way either of us would sleep.

Typically I hate when they leave but that was a parting of 2 persons who realized that A, that was EPIC sex and be, we need sleep, plus she was hungry and her whole body was shaking. There was a mutual, genuine admiration and affection of each other participation at one point she revealed that she expected me to be a 2 minute pump and dump, LOL I wish. We are fucking professionals but alas only one of us got paid in cash.

I gave her the largest tip I ever gave a professional lady. We parted as friends and as 2 sexual adults who know we had an almost unique encounter.

That was easily the best fuck of my life and I am a man who was committed to this, that single event has made life worth living again in ways I had forgotten. That was the best workout and the best sex ever combined and WOW I am still tingling.

I don't know what could possibly follow this up, perhaps it is a sign to stop here and get married and enjoy the love of a single woman and actually become a proper male citizen again, I am not sure but waxing prophetically right now seems the thing to do.

Thanks to my friend Ms. S who once again proved risks are worth taking and that timing is everything. I will never ever forget what transpired here this evening.

I don't have her number and I am not sure I would even attempt to repeat. Perhaps it is better to quit while one is ahead perhaps this is a sign.

Now hopefully sleep will find me as tomorrow is a day to kick some ass. Thank you Ms S so much!

PP.Why do mongers keep going? Why do we live the lifestyle of a monger. We mongers go thru 100's of sessions with 100's of girls over many of years to experience the small chance that we will find the holy grail. Seems that our comrade has in fact found what we all long to find. The best fuck we ever had. Soldier on Pinaypounder.

[Engine Driver]

Here is an article from Stickman's Bangkok site on how Thais lack intellectual curiosity. There is no depth to any of the conversations they have. I find the same thing in Pinay girls. The writer says it's nothing to do with intelligence, but rather the attitudes are formed in the formative years and influenced by their surroundings.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2015/reader9038.html

[GoodEnough]

Here is an article from Stickman's Bangkok site on how Thais lack intellectual curiosity. There is no depth to any of the conversations they have. I find the same thing in Pinay girls. The writer says it's nothing to do with intelligence, but rather the attitudes are formed in the formative years and influenced by their surroundings.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2015/reader9038.htmlNice article, and I agree that almost all of his points are equally applicable to the Philippines. I've always felt that the reasons for the lack of intellectual curiosity stem from a culture that values conformity over dissonance; a value that is transmitted By public schools which encourage and reward rote memorization and the recall of discrete facts rather than the development of reasoning skills.

GE.

[Naughty]

I think we should all try to push prices down. The locals are getting it really, really cheap!

http://angelescityvoice.com/sex-hot-spot-raided-in-angeles-city/

[Streetlooker]

Here is an article from Stickman's Bangkok site on how Thais lack intellectual curiosity. There is no depth to any of the conversations they have. I find the same thing in Pinay girls. The writer says it's nothing to do with intelligence, but rather the attitudes are formed in the formative years and influenced by their surroundings.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2015/reader9038.htmlHave you ever heard the phrase: Curiosity killed the cat? Been with to many 25 yr old filipinas who, s favorite tv show is spoongebob squarepants. They are simple and childlike in there demeanor and to be honest with you It the best thing about being around them. The complexity of this world we westerners live is thrown out and broken down to just the simple surface items of survival. They just deal with what's there in front of them and don't think about how it got there or even care. Its way you always hear them say: "You think to much".

[Streetlooker]

I think we should all try to push prices down. The locals are getting it really, really cheap!

http://angelescityvoice.com/sex-hot-spot-raided-in-angeles-city/The Charade police raids of AC bars by the Philippines government is masking the real problem of human sex trafficking to these places where the locals go. 100 a pop and many a day while chained to a bed post. Maybe they will raid more of these places like they did this one and end this farce at the fields bars.

[CrownRoyal]

After dozens of visits to LOS and Cambodia I'll be making my first visit to PI at the end of the month. I plan to be filing reports starting June 30 or so. Has any of you regulars found a reliable pharmacy to get V or etc. in Angeles recently? I just can't see getting it off the street. Generics are OK as long as it's got real active ingredients and is clean. Also, any tips about making the arrangements for a 20 something spinner to travel to a surf break for a week or so would be appreciated. I'm going to do a little fishing and teach my way too old, soon to be retired ass to surf!Naughty,

I bought brand name Viagra at a drug store close to the 7-11 on Fields. I paid 2 arms and quite honestly, it would be cheaper to get it or a generic in the US if you are concerned about the stuff street vendors sell. I seem to remember the price being close to $20 USD. I also don't think the drug stores sell generic V. I know I asked for it but can't remember if they just didn't have it or didn't sell it at all. I think the name of the Drug store I used was Manson Drugs and it's close to the intersection of Fields and Teodoro Street. I'the guess you could buy it at any legitimate drug store but I can vouch for the product Manson sold me; I could derail a freight train with the 100 MG brand name Viagra. I never bought anything from a street vendor and have concerns about its safety and efficacy.

I'd do a thorough test drive of anyone you are planning to take on a side trip. I had mostly good luck in AC but had a few runners and a few poor performers. You should only have to test drive 3 or 4 different models before you find a keeper. Also a warning about the water you'll be surfing in. It might be hard to check but I'd try to make sure there are no sewerage 'treatment' plants close to where you'll be surfing. There are a few places that dump raw sewerage into the ocean in the PI. I had a nasty skin infection after swimming at Whites Beach and attribute that to the sewerage that is dumped into the South China Sea near Olongapo.

Enjoy your stay. I've been to LOS and much prefer the Filipinas over Thais.

And to anyone reading this who told Naughty to go RTFF, you guys have worn that phrase out. You took the time to create a post just to tell him that? Seriously? I was a paid subscriber to ISG long ago and made a lot of contributions to the board but got tired of all the infighting, bickering, and general stupidity. I started contributing when this was still a static website and you were lucky if your post showed up in a month. I remember 'The Banker' but can't remember if Jackson is 'The Banker' or if he bought it from him, but regardless, I've been around a long time and you guys have worn that damn 'RTFF' phrase out. STFU already. You've all probably read posts that have 'long time lurker', well you guys that are first to squeal 'RTFF' are the reason why.

[Pinaypounder]

Nice report Mr. Pounder. Any chance you could tell us the name of the club and the bar fine?The Bar is Atlantis and it is at the top of the street and the ladies name was Sam. She is a wily veteran who told me she had not had sex for 9 days.

Barfine was 3 K!

PP.

[Pinaypounder]

Well having actually slept a little but waking up early I changed my approach and decided to lay out a trap line in Angeles, I was not prepared to spend the dame volumes of cash and was frankly looking for something a little more "loving".

The Trap line delivery vehicle of choice for me is Tagged. And very quickly the line had nibbles.

Arranged for a dinner date with an average looking 27 year old.

Day passed evening arrived headed out to meet my date, God it is so easy here, My date was WELL dressed which was a nice surprise and she looked good. A solid 7.

With a wonderful set of hips.

She mounted my trusty steed 90 CC's of pure power and we took to the streets of Angles seeking a restaurant in which to dine.

Despite the fact she was very reserved I knew in a few minutes I would be sleeping with her and she did nothing obvious, apparently my spider senses are working well. When you know you are getting lucky and that you do not have to IMPRESS them to much, things go well. I wish that fat white "ladies" would figure this out, I mean was is wrong with some healthy sex and spit swapping?

We found an excellent Mexican restaurant after doing a large circle in Angeles and we ended up back where we started, we laughed about that.

The Mexican restaurant was quite good, Cantina Mexicana it is on the main drag between Angeles and Clark paralleling the fence. As an aside the 3 women working this entire resturant are the 3 best servers I have seen in the phils there are not many of that caliber here.

We had a pitcher of Strawberry Margaritas, the key to regular women is to let them get 43% drunk. Soon we were touching and flirting.

Supper done back to the room.

The sex was wonderful full GFE because this was a regular girl. You need to take the lead with these ladies and I never force but I do lead.

The young lady undressed or rather I undressed here to reveal an amazing ass, and small breasts once again the padded bra deceives oh well her skin was amazing, nowhere else in the world does skin like this exist I think. The wetness was amazing, you can't fake wetness and if they are not wet then they aint into you. She was POURING.

I orally consumed her I love being oral and they love it. Oddly I could not make her cum so day 2 a toy was engaged and orgasm achieved. Day 2 talks revealed she had rarely been eaten and rarely sucked a cock. She was one of the many that simply is sexually repressed, dramatically repressed. I tripled her sexual knowledge in the 2 days. Next trip her ass cherry is mine she ha already had "nut face" and that shocked her.

Surprisingly this night turned into a multi session 1 - 3 hours marathon of intercourse and related delectables. It was the second marathon in a row. Her ass and hips were frankly amazing but no pics.

After a little sleep I offered her to stay and she did, off to work and was looking forward to the evening.

The evening started with a huge 4 hour nap, up for dinner, good Korean Bar-be-Que and then home, I took a shower her a bath and I asked then when she crawled into bed that she mount my mouth.

Wishful thinking, I fell asleep and she fell asleep in the tub.

Later 1 round soft and slow as she was extremely sore and then sleep that was fine I needed the sleep, morning another session and I take her home on my steed.

Perfect 2 days since there is no discussion of "do you love me", "when will you call" no texts, I stuffed 2 k in her purse when she was not looking and life is perfect!

3 out of 4 in Angeles.

PP.

[Canute]

Hey Monger,

My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week. Penthouse is only 3000+ a night with the best location and the most romantic 24 hour poolside roof dining in all of Angeles. The food is good and cheap and the staff is amazing. Also ATM's are a ripoff and 1 500 Euro note in your sock is equal to about 25,000 pesos. One in each sock is 50,000 pesos. Including hotel and food I usually only average spending about 5000 pesos a day. So, I hope this advice helps!

Would you share the name of this hotel with the price of 10,000 pesos a week. I am in the US so the largest bills I can carry are 100 dollar bills, not easily fitting in a sock. Thanks for telling us about the ATM's. I don't want to be stuck with no money forthcoming from the ATMs. Western Union allows me to send money to myself for a three dollar charge. Any information on that?

Your are welcome to send me a PM instead. Thanks very much for your valuable reports.

[Dg8787]

I think we should all try to push prices down. The locals are getting it really, really cheap!

http://angelescityvoice.com/sex-hot-spot-raided-in-angeles-city/Why would you need to pay? Why don't you just chain her to the bed? What kind of fling comparison is this?

[Engine Driver]

Hey Monger,

My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week. The ABC is not to everyone's taste. Tacky and kitsch are words that come to mind. If you are from Dubai or are a newly minted millionaire from Beijing, I'm sure you will feel right at home. If you can find something like the ABC for 10 K per week, then you should take it!

[Sammon]

Hey Monger,

I am in the US so the largest bills I can carry are 100 dollar bills, not easily fitting in a sock. Thanks for telling us about the ATM's. I don't want to be stuck with no money forthcoming from the ATMs. Western Union allows me to send money to myself for a three dollar charge. Any information on that?

Thanks very much for your valuable reports.You can legally carry up to $10,000 cash to most countries. Take $100 bills to get best exchange rate but in Phi even $20 bills get the same exchange rate.

[Socker]

They are simple and childlike in there demeanor and to be honest with you It the best thing about being around them. The complexity of this world we westerners live is thrown out and broken down to just the simple surface items of survival. They just deal with what's there in front of them and don't think about how it got there or even care.Yes, this is part of the beauty of the PI. And very well stated indeed. Hopefully it will enlighten many here and enhance their trips abroad.

Thanks

[Simmer]

I think we should all try to push prices down. The locals are getting it really, really cheap!

http://angelescityvoice.com/sex-hot-spot-raided-in-angeles-city/I saw a documentary on these cheap brothels in AC just a few days ago. I think it was on YouTube. Anyway, it might only be P100 but do you really want to have sex in a cubicle while you can hear men grunting on the other side of the paper thin walls, knowing that you're probably her 10th of the day so far?! Not for me, thanks!

[WestCoast1]

Anyway, it might only be P100 but do you really want to have sex in a cubicle while you can hear men grunting on the other side of the paper thin walls, knowing that you're probably her 10th of the day so far?! Not for me, thanks!You're givin' me a boner. Where's my camera? One man's trash is another man's gold. . .

[Naughty]

Naughty, Enjoy your stay. I've been to LOS and much prefer the Filipinas over Thais.This is just what I was looking for. I will certainly heed your advice in all aspects. You the man CrownRoyal!

[Naughty]

Why would you need to pay? Why don't you just chain her to the bed? What kind of fling comparison is this?If you are OK with paying 30 or 40 times what a local pays to rent a product for short term use its fine by me. I myself would rather at least try to pay something a bit more realistically linked to the actual local economic reality. I don't expect or even desire to compete in the local arena, but hey, a penny saved is 100% pure profit!

[Canute]

Thanks for your reply. I will tell you what happened to me last year. I would sometimes send money to pinyas. $20, $25 through Western union. One night last year, I was watching the NBA finals and I got an email that I changed my western Union password. I checked and about 10 charges were made against my credit card in the Phils. Only 3 or 4 went through, they were to the ladies I sent to previously. I made no transactions for a while and none since then... however, WU, wouldn't do anything. They claimed I just had my identity compromised. Western union did nothing even though there is a 2nd level password to verify the transfer. About $200 was picked up in the Phils. Thankfully, my credit card gave me the money back. Since then, I don't use WU. Just sayn.... I do plan to bring US bills just the same. I will also use the ATM to get cash as I have done in China before. Like you, I will also have credit card and a debit card. Look out little pussies.Western Union has a method whereby one can send money directly from checking account. But thanks to your warning Rumbuddy, I will not utilize that service. If they have no protection against fraud or identity theft I could lose a lot of money, not merely the 50 dollars of a debit card.

[WestCoast1]

Western Union has a method whereby one can send money directly from checking account. But thanks to your warning Rumbuddy, I will not utilize that service. If they have no protection against fraud or identity theft I could lose a lot of money, not merely the 50 dollars of a debit card.WU is filled with pitfalls. Its nearly impossible to get them to tell you where a girl picked up your money. You think she's at home in the province and her sick child needs medicine, so you send money. Really she's in Cebu city visiting her relatives and needs money to take them all out for dinner, or to buy a birthday cake for her cousin (which you would not have sent money for). You can get them to tell you the location, but you must write to them, and they will send you something a week later telling you the location (its a pain).

OTOH, change your passwords on all sites where you have an account regularly.

Regarding the pay thru your bank account (involves PayPal): this is a much cheaper option, but slower (3-5 biz days). I never send money thru WU on my credit card anymore (an extra $10 fee for cash withdrawal).

[Streetlooker]

Yes, this is part of the beauty of the PI. And very well stated indeed. Hopefully it will enlighten many here and enhance their trips abroad.

ThanksI just think its important to remember that when we go there to the Philippines we are playing by a totally different set of ideology and rules. Complex Rational and logical thinking are best kept back in the west. KISS: KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

[KongKing]

WU is filled with pitfalls. I have given up on Western Union too. On filling in their application to transfer money within the Philippines, amongst other questions, I was asked 1. What is my relationship with the receiver and 2. What is my occupation. I just put down NOYB (none of your business). The money didn't go through. Two days later the WU head office in the Phils sent me a text saying my money transfer was not approved and that I could go back to the WU agency and retrieve my money. I now use LBC; painless. (I know this should be in General Info, but just responding to the thread!

[Dg8787]

If you are OK with paying 30 or 40 times what a local pays to rent a product for short term use its fine by me. I myself would rather at least try to pay something a bit more realistically linked to the actual local economic reality. I don't expect or even desire to compete in the local arena, but hey, a penny saved is 100% pure profit!Sure thing Mr. Thrifty. I am sure you can find these P100 pussy rental places pretty easily. If you want actual local economy pricing then go to the local barangay pussy rental places. If you want street food prices then you buy at street food places.

I personally would not be able to maintain a hardon even with the help of 100 MG of Viagra at the sight of one of theses places. But if the price of $2. 24 gives you a boner, go fuck all you want sir.

I average 1 k /$22.40 a pop. Which is fine with me.

[Dg8787]

Naughty,

I bought brand name Viagra at a drug store close to the 7-11 on Fields. I paid 2 arms and quite honestly, it would be cheaper to get it or a generic in the US if you are concerned about the stuff street vendors sell. I seem to remember the price being close to $20 USD. I also don't think the drug stores sell generic V. I know I asked for it but can't remember if they just didn't have it or didn't sell it at all. I think the name of the Drug store I used was Manson Drugs and it's close to the intersection of Fields and Teodoro Street. I'the guess you could buy it at any legitimate drug store but I can vouch for the product Manson sold me; I could derail a freight train with the 100 MG brand name Viagra. I never bought anything from a street vendor and have concerns about its safety and efficacy.

I'd do a thorough test drive of anyone you are planning to take on a side trip. I had mostly good luck in AC but had a few runners and a few poor performers. You should only have to test drive 3 or 4 different models before you find a keeper. Also a warning about the water you'll be surfing in. It might be hard to check but I'd try to make sure there are no sewerage 'treatment' plants close to where you'll be surfing. There are a few places that dump raw sewerage into the ocean in the PI. I had a nasty skin infection after swimming at Whites Beach and attribute that to the sewerage that is dumped into the South China Sea near Olongapo.

Enjoy your stay. I've been to LOS and much prefer the Filipinas over Thais.

And to anyone reading this who told Naughty to go RTFF, you guys have worn that phrase out. You took the time to create a post just to tell him that? Seriously? I was a paid subscriber to ISG long ago and made a lot of contributions to the board but got tired of all the infighting, bickering, and general stupidity. I started contributing when this was still a static website and you were lucky if your post showed up in a month. I remember 'The Banker' but can't remember if Jackson is 'The Banker' or if he bought it from him, but regardless, I've been around a long time and you guys have worn that damn 'RTFF' phrase out. STFU already. You've all probably read posts that have 'long time lurker', well you guys that are first to squeal 'RTFF' are the reason why.It is stupid to tell someone to RTFF because we all know they won't read it.

Actual cost of Viagra has been written about. You paid two arms because you didn't use your two eyeballs.

Availability of generic Viagra and cost with prescription or without has been posted. You bought generic Viagra at Manson Drugs.

Swimming in a septic tank has been written about.

Mr and likes to pay what locals pay. So he may buy from barangay vendors, which has been written about.

[Engine Driver]

Been with to many 25 yr old filipinas who, s favorite tv show is spoongebob squarepants. They are simple and childlike in there demeanor and to be honest with you It the best thing about being around them. This is why the majority of us turn them over each day. I personally could not handle more than 10-hours with a BG. She's out of my room by 8. 00 am. If we spent all of our time watching Spongebob and didn't think too much, none of us could afford mongering vacations to the PI! LOL.

[Guondong]

I have given up on Western Union too. On filling in their application to transfer money within the Philippines, amongst other questions, I was asked 1. What is my relationship with the receiver and 2. What is my occupation. I just put down NOYB (none of your business). The money didn't go through. Two days later the WU head office in the Phils sent me a text saying my money transfer was not approved and that I could go back to the WU agency and retrieve my money. I now use LBC; painless. (I know this should be in General Info, but just responding to the thread!I don't use WU never ever again anymore after using it in the US, Germany and Malaysia and other countries to send money to the PHP. After reaching a specific amount sent they treat you like a criminal money launder. Exactly, want to know relation, where the money is from and did not execute payments several times at all and I had to go to the branches to pick the money up again. Without letting you know why. They just answer, after you complain, that's their policy. They asked me to disclose my money sources and deliver prove of assets etc. Intolerable. Moneygram I found works best, also LBC easy, but not accessible in Germany at least.

[Red Dogger]

I have given up on Western Union too. On filling in their application to transfer money within the Philippines, amongst other questions, I was asked 1. What is my relationship with the receiver and 2. What is my occupation. I just put down NOYB (none of your business). The money didn't go through. Two days later the WU head office in the Phils sent me a text saying my money transfer was not approved and that I could go back to the WU agency and retrieve my money. I now use LBC; painless.What is LBC?

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: There is a link labeled "Abbreviations" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. Thanks!

[Mogwai]

Regarding the pay thru your bank account (involves PayPal): this is a much cheaper option, but slower (3-5 biz days). In my country (Netherlands) it doesn't involve PayPal, I pay directly through my bank account. And it doesn't take 3-5 biz days.
It only takes about 5 minutes and then another 15 minutes or so to wait for their confirmation. And then the money is ready to be picked up.
So far I never had any problems.

[Naughty]

It is stupid to tell someone to RTFF because we all know they won't read it.

Actual cost of Viagra has been written about. You paid two arms because you didn't use your two eyeballs.

Availability of generic Viagra and cost with prescription or without has been posted. You bought generic Viagra at Manson Drugs.

Swimming in a septic tank has been written about.

Mr and likes to pay what locals pay. So he may buy from barangay vendors, which has been written about.I just read a bunch of your posts, Dg. You contradict yourself a lot.

[WestCoast1]

In my country (Netherlands) it doesn't involve PayPal, I pay directly through my bank account. And it doesn't take 3-5 biz days.
It only takes about 5 minutes and then another 15 minutes or so to wait for their confirmation. And then the money is ready to be picked up.
So far I never had any problems.What is the WU cost for that? About $5? I need to look into that.

[Dg8787]

I just read a bunch of your posts, Dg. You contradict yourself a lot.Yep. The one about RTFF and then why bother to tell someone to RTFF. Any others?

[Dinghy]

What is LBC?

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: There is a link labeled "Abbreviations" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. Thanks!Might be worthwhile to look BUT IT'S NOT THERE (or I missed something).

[Dinghy]

Naughty,

I bought brand name Viagra at a drug store close to the 7-11 on Fields. I paid 2 arms and quite honestly, it would be cheaper to get it or a generic in the US if you are concerned about the stuff street vendors sell. I seem to remember the price being close to $20 USD. I also don't think the drug stores sell generic V. I know I asked for it but can't remember if they just didn't have it or didn't sell it at all. I think the name of the Drug store I used was Manson Drugs and it's close to the intersection of Fields and Teodoro Street. I'the guess you could buy it at any legitimate drug store but I can vouch for the product Manson sold me; I could derail a freight train with the 100 MG brand name Viagra. I never bought anything from a street vendor and have concerns about its safety and efficacy.

I'd do a thorough test drive of anyone you are planning to take on a side trip. I had mostly good luck in AC but had a few runners and a few poor performers. You should only have to test drive 3 or 4 different models before you find a keeper. Also a warning about the water you'll be surfing in. It might be hard to check but I'd try to make sure there are no sewerage 'treatment' plants close to where you'll be surfing. There are a few places that dump raw sewerage into the ocean in the PI. I had a nasty skin infection after swimming at Whites Beach and attribute that to the sewerage that is dumped into the South China Sea near Olongapo.

Enjoy your stay. I've been to LOS and much prefer the Filipinas over Thais.

And to anyone reading this who told Naughty to go RTFF, you guys have worn that phrase out. You took the time to create a post just to tell him that? Seriously? I was a paid subscriber to ISG long ago and made a lot of contributions to the board but got tired of all the infighting, bickering, and general stupidity. I started contributing when this was still a static website and you were lucky if your post showed up in a month. I remember 'The Banker' but can't remember if Jackson is 'The Banker' or if he bought it from him, but regardless, I've been around a long time and you guys have worn that damn 'RTFF' phrase out. STFU already. You've all probably read posts that have 'long time lurker', well you guys that are first to squeal 'RTFF' are the reason why.
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Twenty bucks? Nothing quite like paying 3 X what it is WORTH. Oh well. You will become educated in time, grasshopper.
Also, Indian generics (Kamagra, Apsalis, and the like) are in the $6 range for the K and $20 for the A. IF I wanted to pay US prices I would have STAYED THERE.

[Dinghy]

Western Union has a method whereby one can send money directly from checking account. But thanks to your warning Rumbuddy, I will not utilize that service. If they have no protection against fraud or identity theft I could lose a lot of money, not merely the 50 dollars of a debit card.Is there a charge to cash a TC? - in Thailand, they get $5 plus $1 (junk fee to the gummint) I only carry 500's for that reason.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Is there a charge to cash a TC? - in Thailand, they get $5 plus $1 (junk fee to the gummint) I only carry 500's for that reason.To Dinghy.

I carry Amex express all the time and Thailand is the best country to cash them they charge less than 1 % at money charger in BKK and rate is little better than us currency, I also bring usd 500 tc but in PI only bank and large money charger will take them and rate sucks, the worst country is China and Brazil bank will charge you per tc if you have 20 check you are screw and it take long time bank need to call the amex office by phone.

Fast eddie 48.

[Ikksman]

To Dinghy.

I carry Amex express all the time and Thailand is the best country to cash them they charge less than 1 % at money charger in BKK and rate is little better than us currency, I also bring usd 500 tc but in PI only bank and large money charger will take them and rate sucks, the worst country is China and Brazil bank will charge you per tc if you have 20 check you are screw and it take long time bank need to call the amex office by phone.

Fast eddie 48.Friend of mine who travels a lot between AU, SG and TH, swears by a Mastercard Multicurrency Cash Passport card. Basically it is a debit card with multiple currency amounts loaded. He carries just one credit card which is kept in a secure place for emergencies, and uses the MC Cash Passport exclusively when in SG and TH.

He says that the only charge he ever incurs is a $5. 00 reload fee which he does online using his phone. There are no charges for online transfers between different currencies on the same card, which he does at any time using his phone. And there are no ATM international withdrawal fees (as the money is withdrawn from the local currency on the card).

He likes the security as this is the only card that he carries when out and about. Even if he was forced to reveal the PIN, the thiefs only get the local currency on the card. They can't access the other currencies at an ATM.

Worth investigating?

[Mogwai]

What is the WU cost for that? About $5? I need to look into that.Yes, from the Netherlands to the Phils is € 4.90 so that's about $ 5.50.

[Canute]

To Dinghy.

I carry Amex express all the time and Thailand is the best country to cash them they charge less than 1 % at money charger in BKK and rate is little better than us currency, I also bring usd 500 tc but in PI only bank and large money charger will take them and rate sucks, the worst country is China and Brazil bank will charge you per tc if you have 20 check you are screw and it take long time bank need to call the amex office by phone.

Fast eddie 48Good information-thanks. TC is a hassle to buy, the local bank charges 2% and in addition get a bad rate from a bank in PI. Frustrating to wait if the bank is calling Amex.

Canute

[PeeMan]

Help me out. Which bar is this Meimei from. I can't work out what HiQ is. Thanks for helping this slow old prick. BB.Duh. Q-bar not Hi-Q. Saw your query rather late. Just now, prolly too late. Sorry.

P.

[Engine Driver]

Every bar girl I picked up in AC on my last trip had a squeaky clean pussy. At the Lewis Grand, near the minibar, they have a bottle of pussy wash (officially called feminine PH balanced wash or some shit like that). They charge you PHP 150, but I'm sure the same stuff is half that amount at 7-11 or at the pharmacy. I left this bottle of pussy wash in the shower, and without prompting, every single bar girl used it to wash her private bits. I love DATY and every girl I went down on smelled pretty good. That's not to say they didn't have any underlying infections. I guess I will find out in a few weeks time when I have a blood test. LOL.

When I got the receipt at the Lewis, the pussy wash was itemised on the account. I asked the clerk to rename it as a MISC charge. She gave me a little chuckle and corrected it.

The Pinays generally have tidier pussies than some of the skanky white beetches in Australia.

[Lou32]

Every bar girl I picked up in AC on my last trip had a squeaky clean pussy. At the Lewis Grand, near the minibar, they have a bottle of pussy wash (officially called feminine PH balanced wash or some shit like that). They charge you PHP 150, but I'm sure the same stuff is half that amount at 7-11 or at the pharmacy. I left this bottle of pussy wash in the shower, and without prompting, every single bar girl used it to wash her private bits. I love DATY and every girl I went down on smelled pretty good. That's not to say they didn't have any underlying infections. I guess I will find out in a few weeks time when I have a blood test. LOL.

When I got the receipt at the Lewis, the pussy wash was itemised on the account. I asked the clerk to rename it as a MISC charge. She gave me a little chuckle and corrected it.

The Pinays generally have tidier pussies than some of the skanky white beetches in Australia.Yes! I don't know of any group of women with more delicious pussies. Makes me want to book another trip right now!

[Sxxxx]

Every bar girl I picked up in AC on my last trip had a squeaky clean pussy.You were lucky. Thai girls personal hygiene is on another level. Cannot be beaten in that respect. Whereas Phil girls genuine friendliness is on another level. Hard to beat, in that respect. More STD's etc in Phils, I am afraid to say. Take care.

[Simmer]

Every bar girl I picked up in AC on my last trip had a squeaky clean pussy.My experience of AC is limited to one, but speaking of all girls generally, working or not, you're right. With the slight exception of a couple of skanks in LA Cafe but I really should have known better. Not off off but just could have been a little cleaner. Long story, report here somewhere, but not my best experience. Or my worst to be fair (not in PI I hasten to add).

[Simmer]

they have a bottle of pussy wash (officially called feminine PH balanced wash or some shit like that). They charge you PHP 150, but I'm sure the same stuff is half that amount at 7-11 or at the pharmacy.Lactacid I'm assuming (yes, I just looked in the shower, and no, said shower is thousands of miles from Manila). Can't remember the price exactly, not expensive though, but I think for that price you're looking at the 250 ML size (8 FL oz roughly) whereas I *guess* the hotel size is somewhat smaller.

[Red Kilt]

Lactacid I'm assuming (yes, I just looked in the shower, and no, said shower is thousands of miles from Manila). Can't remember the price exactly, not expensive though, but I think for that price you're looking at the 250 ML size (8 FL oz roughly) whereas I *guess* the hotel size is somewhat smaller.There's quite a few different brands of feminine wash around. They all have the same function.

Friend of mine travels with a small bottle all the time to ensure his conquests are squeaky clean.

He is such a professional that he has a large bottle of fem-wash and a small travel-size bottle that he tops up after it's been used.

He gives the girl the topped-up small-size bottle to use rather than one that has been used previously.

This avoids the inevitable question of "How come this bottle is half full? Who used it before me? (akin to Girl 2 finding the long black hairs in the bathroom basin from Girl 1).

[Engine Driver]

There's quite a few different brands of feminine wash around. They all have the same function.

Friend of mine travels with a small bottle all the time to ensure his conquests are squeaky clean.

He is such a professional that he has a large bottle of fem-wash and a small travel-size bottle that he tops up after it's been used.

He gives the girl the topped-up small-size bottle to use rather than one that has been used previously.

This avoids the inevitable question of "How come this bottle is half full? Who used it before me? (akin to Girl 2 finding the long black hairs in the bathroom basin from Girl 1).Here is a picture of the stuff they sell at the hotel in AC:

[Red Kilt]

Here are some others.

[Mogwai]

You were lucky. Thai girls personal hygiene is on another level. Cannot be beaten in that respect. I concur, although I think the difference is minimal.

A lot (if not all) of Thai, Phil and other Asian girls use soap to wash their pussy. When I tell them that soap is very bad for their pussy they look at me as if I'm from Mars (which is actually an insult because I'm from Pluto).

[Hutsori]

There's quite a few different brands of feminine wash around. They all have the same function.

Friend of mine travels with a small bottle all the time to ensure his conquests are squeaky clean.

He is such a professional that he has a large bottle of fem-wash and a small travel-size bottle that he tops up after it's been used.

He gives the girl the topped-up small-size bottle to use rather than one that has been used previously.

This avoids the inevitable question of "How come this bottle is half full? Who used it before me? (akin to Girl 2 finding the long black hairs in the bathroom basin from Girl 1).Small sachets of the douche are sold in convenience stores, supermarkets, and drug stores.

[Engine Driver]

Small sachets of the douche are sold in convenience stores, supermarkets, and drug stores.You raise a good point there. We take our relative wealth for granted in the west and are used to buying everything in bulk. After an AC bar girl has sent most of her monthly pay to support her kid, her sister and parents in the provinces, she needs to ration her money on a day to day basis. They buy everything in those small packets as the outlay is a fraction of paying for a full bottle. Not just pussy wash, but shampoo, conditioner, coffee, creamer, sugar etc. They even buy cooked rice daily in small packets from the street vendor for 10 PHP. Now when she steals the cheap complementary soap, toothpaste, toothbrush, shampoo and conditioner from your hotel room, she knows she is going to save about 60 PHP.

[Engine Driver]

You were lucky. Thai girls personal hygiene is on another level.I'm not sure how much cleaner a Thai pussy can be, compared to a girl from the Phils. I had a Thai girl here in Australia, whose pussy stunk so bad that I couldn't get a hard on and had to leave the session early, but that was just a one-off. Those small Asian pussies naturally produce less white, mucus discharge daily compared to the big Caucasian pussies. They also sweat less. I think it's more genetic make up than any particular bathing ritual.

I'd rate Pinays, Thais, Indonesians, Malays (nasi lemaks), Korean and PRCs the same in terms of pussy cleanliness. The worst pussies I've had are White caucasians, Indians and Sub Saharan Africans. I find with white girls, the fatter they are, the worse their pussies stink. I've never had a Middle Eastern, Colombian or DR pussy, so can't comment on those potentially tasty treats.

[Sammon]

I'm not sure how much cleaner a Thai pussy can be, compared to a girl from the Phils. I had a Thai girl here in Australia, whose pussy stunk so bad that I couldn't get a hard on and had to leave the session early, but that was just a one-off. Those small Asian pussies naturally produce less white, mucus discharge daily compared to the big Caucasian pussies. They also sweat less. I think it's more genetic make up than any particular bathing ritual.

I'd rate Pinays, Thais, Indonesians, Malays (nasi lemaks), Korean and PRCs the same in terms of pussy cleanliness. The worst pussies I've had are White caucasians, Indians and Sub Saharan Africans. I find with white girls, the fatter they are, the worse their pussies stink. I've never had a Middle Eastern, Colombian or DR pussy, so can't comment on those potentially tasty treats.IMHO it is directly related to girl's sexual activity rather than pussy hygiene. White girls cannot live without sex for a long time. So they pick up, date and have sex with whoever. Other country girls in Asia and Latin America do go without sex long time. If they are fucking local boys who never bother about protection and never care for where they dip their cock. Many girls are not even aware or try to hide the fact that their pussy smells. They do not go to a doctor to find or take a course of Antibiotics to clear the problem.

I always tell them their pussy stinks and usually it is because of an infection. I give them money to get it treated. It is not good to ignore and send the girl away. I rarely go down on them unless it is one of my girlfriends who I know long time and if their pussy has no smell.

Yes, certain girls especially black girls who are fat has certain natural odor. Some white girls have the same. But in advanced countries generally they do go to a doctor for regular check up.

My friend a gynecologist told me one time pussy is naturally cleansing if there is no underlying medical condition causing odor. A good shower is all which is needed. Scrubbing or using artificial things may cause pleasant smell for a short duration only.

[AliasDonkey]

Hey Monger,

My hotel is equal to ABC and is only 2500 pesos a night or 10,000 pesos a week. Penthouse is only 3000+ a night with the best location and the most romantic 24 hour poolside roof dining in all of Angeles. The food is good and cheap and the staff is amazing. Also ATM's are a ripoff and 1 500 Euro note in your sock is equal to about 25,000 pesos. One in each sock is 50,000 pesos. Including hotel and food I usually only average spending about 5000 pesos a day. So, I hope this advice helps!

Would you share the name of this hotel with the price of 10,000 pesos a week. I am in the US so the largest bills I can carry are 100 dollar bills, not easily fitting in a sock. Thanks for telling us about the ATM's. I don't want to be stuck with no money forthcoming from the ATMs. Western Union allows me to send money to myself for a three dollar charge. Any information on that?

Your are welcome to send me a PM instead. Thanks very much for your valuable reports.Is this a FYI post or FMI (for my information) Why bother posting this if you provide no detail other than I know something you don't LOL.

My be its my poor english skills but this report sounds kind of condescending.

Though I do thank you for telling us your second best option in this report.

Preach on Brother: P.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Good information-thanks. TC is a hassle to buy, the local bank charges 2 % and in addition get a bad rate from a bank in PI. Frustrating to wait if the bank is calling Amex.

CanuteTo Canute.

Most bank in the US don't carry 500 TC anymore my bank East west got them and they don't charge me a fee because I have a money market account with them, bank like chase or BFA only have 100 usd TC not many traveler use them now, I only carry them for emergency only use mostly ATM card and my bank will reimburse me for all the fee.

Fast eddie 48.

[Member #4387]

My friend a gynecologist told me one time pussy is naturally cleansing if there is no underlying medical condition causing odor. A good shower is all which is needed. Scrubbing or using artificial things may cause pleasant smell for a short duration only.And as a sidenote which agrees highly with you and your gynecologist(felt funny sorry), is that some girls, maybe Thais are the "worst", shower far to much and destroys the pussie self cleansing ability. The pussies natural odor and bacterias (lets face it there will allways be some) are washed away. I am a sucker for shower myself and I encourage girls to shower as much as they like but it is not like I need them to shower pre session if no odd smell. Well, if the odd smell I ditch them anyway. I hate smelly pukie and the smell we are talking about here wont wanish from a cleanup.

[Lou32]

Here are some others.Thanks. I'll look for this stuff.

[Engine Driver]

I know some punters prefer to ride bareback in AC. Sorry for asking a silly question, but apart from the risk of disease, isn't there a slim chance you can get a BG pregnant when you deliver a nice cream pie?

Could an enterprising, pregnant BG not track you down based on the records your hotel has? Even if she does, when you are safely ensconced in your home abroad, are there any implications?

[Azmodeus Fl]

I had a student who insisted I go bareback. I refused due to the fact I did not want any correspondence telling me I'm a baby daddy and she wants support for the rest of her life.

[Golfinho]

I know some punters prefer to ride bareback in AC. Sorry for asking a silly question, but apart from the risk of disease, isn't there a slim chance you can get a BG pregnant when you deliver a nice cream pie?Seeing all the half black ones, you conclude some people practice the same habits elsewhere as they do at home.

[Dg8787]

I know some punters prefer to ride bareback in AC. Sorry for asking a silly question, but apart from the risk of disease, isn't there a slim chance you can get a BG pregnant when you deliver a nice cream pie?

Could an enterprising, pregnant BG not track you down based on the records your hotel has? Even if she does, when you are safely ensconced in your home abroad, are there any implications?Slim chance of getting her pg! LOL.

Certain red days, No chance.

Certain days 100% chance.

Other days no chance.

They can always track you down. The only real question is after the positive DNA test will you MAN up to it?

[X Man]

Man up? I've been lied to so many times that it would take more than a DNA test for me to "man up". (Are you being sarcastic?)

I've had several claim to be pregnant, but weren't. I still remember the beautiful and petite Ruby. Her long eye lashes were out of this world. A week after I left (Davao) she claimed to be pregnant. I ignored her and a week after that she needed help paying the bills. A week after that some guy emailed me wondering how I knew his fianc. A year later she was married and living in the west. I think her last message from the land of plenty was, "I'm pregnant. ". LOL.

For what it's worth, I pull out. Doing a full discharge completely outside of the love canal reduces your chance of absorbing anything nasty that may be lurking. It's not a very reliable birth control method, but the gals are likely taking a few precautions on their own. And for the record, I DO use a rubber when asked. X


Slim chance of getting her pg! LOL.

Certain red days, No chance.

Certain days 100% chance.

Other days no chance.

They can always track you down. The only real question is after the positive DNA test will you MAN up to it?

[Dg8787]

Man up? I've been lied to so many times that it would take more than a DNA test for me to "man up". (Are you being sarcastic?)

I've had several claim to be pregnant, but weren't. I still remember the beautiful and petite Ruby. Her long eye lashes were out of this world. A week after I left (Davao) she claimed to be pregnant. I ignored her and a week after that she needed help paying the bills. A week after that some guy emailed me wondering how I knew his fianc. A year later she was married and living in the west. I think her last message from the land of plenty was, "I'm pregnant. ". LOL.

For what it's worth, I pull out. Doing a full discharge completely outside of the love canal reduces your chance of absorbing anything nasty that may be lurking. It's not a very reliable birth control method, but the gals are likely taking a few precautions on their own. And for the record, I DO use a rubber when asked. XX man. I stated if someone is proven with a positive DNA test he should man up. Plain and simple. You go BB you pay for the consequences. Doesn't matter what and how many false accusations in the past. Sarcastically you either man up or be an Ex-man.

[Canute]

Is this a FYI post or FMI (for my information) Why bother posting this if you provide no detail other than I know something you don't LOL.

My be its my poor english skills but this report sounds kind of condescending.

Though I do thank you for telling us your second best option in this report.

Preach on Brother: P.Alias Donkey,

I mixed up quote from somebody's previous post with my comments. Your English skills are fine. My computer skills are not good. My apologies.

I would not knowingly write a condescending post. I try to be respectful.

[X Man]

I quoted you 787, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to restate what you've already stated and what was already quoted. I have no idea who you are, but this is the second inexplicable public post you've sent that seems to show some negative feelings toward this online profile called X man. Why? Send it pm if you're shy.

For the record, my msg was in no way trying to antagonize Dreamliner man, nor to diminish the responsibility a man has when letting sperm fly right, left, and center. There have been posts from people who have suggested that a "positive" paternity test in the Philippines can be faked. Newcomers to the Philippines should be aware of this. I also have no doubt that there are a lot of pathetic guys out there who could care less about the gal and her fertility situation.

My example of a "false accusation of paternity" was not meant to stereotype Filipinas. But it would be foolish for any of us to completely ignore a pattern of some clever and not-so-clever Filipinos of trying to take advantage of others.

And one last point, the gal I described earlier was no GRO. She had a chaperone on the first date and I met her family. I spent most of my holiday with her. I was smitten. If she had been a little more savvy online, I might have done something stupid. In the end, some Westerner did marry her. I hope it worked out for his sake.


X man. I stated if someone is proven with a positive DNA test he should man up. Plain and simple. You go BB you pay for the consequences. Doesn't matter what and how many false accusations in the past. Sarcastically you either man up or be an Ex-man.

[Engine Driver]

When I go on mongering holidays, it is not just an opportunity for me to bang hot chicas. Believe it or not, I am also interested in learning more about the social impact of prostitution, demography and the motivation behind a girls' decision to sell her pussy for money. This why I enjoy reading Good Enough's reports as his commentary on the social aspects of life in the PI are fascinating. Sir Lancelot displays a level of respect and sensitivity towards BG's which only an Englishmen can offer. (Where I come from, we would say that is due to being brainwashed by left-wing feminist militia).

Have you ever wondered what happens to BG's in Angeles City or P. Burghos when they retire (or hang up their g-strings for the last time)? The burn out rate must be very high. Permanent night shift, poor sleep, poor diet, STDs, excessive alcohol and tobacco must literally be slow death. We can reflect on this in the comfort of our homes knowing we have good jobs, secure retirement plans and excellent social amenities.

I know that some bar girls become waitresses so they don't have to dance in bikinis all night. Some lucky ones will marry a divorced westerner and end up in the suburbs of Sydney or other city outside the PI. I've been told that to even become a store clerk in the PI, you need to have completed high school. Thousands of young girls enter the trade each year and thousands leave. What happens to them after AC?

[Chris Long]

When I go on mongering holidays, it is not just an opportunity for me to bang hot chicas. Believe it or not, I am also interested in learning more about the social impact of prostitution, demography and the motivation behind a girls' decision to sell her pussy for money. This why I enjoy reading Good Enough's reports as his commentary on the social aspects of life in the PI are fascinating. Sir Lancelot displays a level of respect and sensitivity towards BG's which only an Englishmen can offer. (Where I come from, we would say that is due to being brainwashed by left-wing feminist militia).

Have you ever wondered what happens to BG's in Angeles City or P. Burghos when they retire (or hang up their g-strings for the last time)? The burn out rate must be very high. Permanent night shift, poor sleep, poor diet, STDs, excessive alcohol and tobacco must literally be slow death. We can reflect on this in the comfort of our homes knowing we have good jobs, secure retirement plans and excellent social amenities.

I know that some bar girls become waitresses so they don't have to dance in bikinis all night. Some lucky ones will marry a divorced westerner and end up in the suburbs of Sydney or other city outside the PI. I've been told that to even become a store clerk in the PI, you need to have completed high school. Thousands of young girls enter the trade each year and thousands leave. What happens to them after AC?They marry a trike driver and start popping out more future bar girls.

Chris

[Code119]

Hey all,

In PI for the first time. Yes I did RTTF (got to about page 6) but mongering seems very different. Anyone in AC this week willing to show me the ropes? Unusual request, but I want to make sure I follow the rights things up until the barfine part. Rest I should be okay.

[Mr Enternational]

Have you ever wondered what happens to BG's in Angeles City or P. Burghos when they retire (or hang up their g-strings for the last time)? The burn out rate must be very high. Permanent night shift, poor sleep, poor diet, STDs, excessive alcohol and tobacco must literally be slow death. What happens to them after AC?I think you kind of answered your own question. First of all, retire? I wouldn't think they retired. If they did that then you would see a countless number of 60 year old women on the stage wearing bikinis. And that is why I don't buy the monger's excuse of "Well they have to do this to survive. " It is just like anywhere else. People are drawn to the fast lane with hopes of getting fast money, no matter what they plan to use it for. Then when they experience all the cons it is like fuck this shit. How many people are in PI? Now how many bar girls are in PI? There must be other jobs to do because the majority do not work in bars and sell pussy and still seem to be able to eat everyday. So they go back to the same regular shit that everyday people do.

Take for instance a bar tending school. How many clubs and bars do you see opening in your city everyday? Probably close to none. But there is always a steady stream of people graduating from bar tending school. Now how many 50+ year old bartenders do you see when you go out clubbing or to pubs? Twenty years ago, when I was in my early 20's I worked behind a bar in a club. I had big dreams of making more than $100 in tips every night. And I was making the money. But after a couple of months I was like fuck this shit for the reasons you mentioned above. Your body can only take so much and you get burned out quickly.

So while you go on holiday and are able to go out and party and drink alcohol and fuck all of the girls for 10 days in a row, the retired expat has a totally different lifestyle. On most nights he is probably in bed (in many cases alone) by 10 pm. (I live in Pattaya and me and most of my friends fit this description.) That is why if you plan on retiring somewhere then you better damn well be sure you have other things to occupy your time other than drinking and fucking. Otherwise you won't last long at all.

[Engine Driver]

Hey all,

In PI for the first time. Yes I did RTTF (got to about page 6) but mongering seems very different. Anyone in AC this week willing to show me the ropes? Unusual request, but I want to make sure I follow the rights things up until the barfine part. Rest I should be okay.If you go back 10-15 pages, there are detailed instructions on how to conduct the interview, ordering an LD, specific questions to ask, how to engage with the mamasan, what to tip the waitress, what the barfine includes and what to tip the next morning. It really couldn't be easier to follow. As a newbie, you will make a few mistakes, but you will learn from them. It's part if the experience. But it's no big deal as the risk exposure to you is not going to be more than USD 100 for a transaction that doesn't meet expectations. So just roll with it and have fun.

[Red Dogger]

So while you go on holiday and are able to go out and party and drink alcohol and fuck all of the girls for 10 days in a row, .I am sixty five, and I noticed I slowed down after the third week, but not to the extent of spending nights alone. But perhaps towards the end, my companions got more sleep.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP>

So while you go on holiday and are able to go out and party and drink alcohol and fuck all of the girls for 10 days in a row, the retired expat has a totally different lifestyle. On most nights he is probably in bed (in many cases alone) by 10 pm. (I live in Pattaya and me and most of my friends fit this description.) That is why if you plan on retiring somewhere then you better damn well be sure you have other things to occupy your time other than drinking and fucking. Otherwise you won't last long at all.Excellent advice Mr E (which reiterates what I and a few other expats who live in the Philippines have been saying for years).

We have been saying this for the benefit of those guys who visit regularly for the 10 days of debauchery and are deluded by the illusion that they can retire here and extend their 10 days to "something endless".

The difference for me is that although I could "retire" I want to keep working otherwise I would go crazy without the stimulus of the work environment.

[Streetlooker]

I am sixty five, and I noticed I slowed down after the third week, but not to the extent of spending nights alone. But perhaps towards the end, my companions got more sleep.I agree I get a few nights off screwing and just have the girl there just in case. Don. t have to go every night your allowed to take nights off.

[Dg8787]

When I go on mongering holidays, it is not just an opportunity for me to bang hot chicas. Believe it or not, I am also interested in learning more about the social impact of prostitution, demography and the motivation behind a girls' decision to sell her pussy for money. This why I enjoy reading Good Enough's reports as his commentary on the social aspects of life in the PI are fascinating. Sir Lancelot displays a level of respect and sensitivity towards BG's which only an Englishmen can offer. (Where I come from, we would say that is due to being brainwashed by left-wing feminist militia).

Have you ever wondered what happens to BG's in Angeles City or P. Burghos when they retire (or hang up their g-strings for the last time)? The burn out rate must be very high. Permanent night shift, poor sleep, poor diet, STDs, excessive alcohol and tobacco must literally be slow death. We can reflect on this in the comfort of our homes knowing we have good jobs, secure retirement plans and excellent social amenities.

I know that some bar girls become waitresses so they don't have to dance in bikinis all night. Some lucky ones will marry a divorced westerner and end up in the suburbs of Sydney or other city outside the PI. I've been told that to even become a store clerk in the PI, you need to have completed high school. Thousands of young girls enter the trade each year and thousands leave. What happens to them after AC?I think it is more like they quit way before the 10 year requirement to become vested in the retirement pension fund. I doubt they participate in the 401 plan either or set money aside in a private pension fund. I have stayed in contact with a number of girls afterwards. Most quit within a few weeks, certain by a few months. Most of the girls I see are newbies and are quite shocked by the work and life and end up quitting rather quickly. Their after life is generally back to the poverty they had before. I wouldn't say that I am fascinated by their after life but more like sadden and stricken for them. A few will meet some foreigner and think they have arrived at the Ball. More than likely the pooreigner is of low grade will fade away and disappear. Most of theses girls will end up having a baby with them with no support as the pooreigner runs like hell. There are very few happy endings to these girls life.

[Engine Driver]

I agree I get a few nights off screwing and just have the girl there just in case. Don. t have to go every night your allowed to take nights off.I too think that on my "day off", I will just bar fine someone just so that I can sleep next to a warm body. On a mongering holiday to AC, no point in being on your own is there? Before long, I am playing with her pussy, then eating her pussy and then she gets wet. She then offers me a BBBJ. What to do?

[Engine Driver]

A few will meet some foreigner and think they have arrived at the Ball. More than likely the pooreigner is of low grade will fade away and disappear. Most of theses girls will end up having a baby with them with no support as the pooreigner runs like hell. There are very few happy endings to these girls life.I met a girl in Subic who left the game for a while and went with a pooreigner for 9-months. He had retired to AC of all places!! She couldn't get it to work, so is back at the club again trying to make ends meet. She is deeply disappointed about the relationship she had with her pooreigner. She said the age and generational gap was too far to bridge. He just wanted to stay home or meet with his mates and talk about life in his home country. She was expected to do all of the domestic chores, had no friends, had no internet at home, tired of his control and became bored. She was looking for action, entertainment and travel like any other 25-year old and he was not keen for it. She said that as her earning capacity had come to a halt, she expected him to send money to her family in the provinces. This he did not want to do.

[Mogwai]

I too think that on my "day off", I will just bar fine someone just so that I can sleep next to a warm body. On a mongering holiday to AC, no point in being on your own is there? Before long, I am playing with her pussy, then eating her pussy and then she gets wet. She then offers me a BBBJ. What to do?Be a man and decline! Geez, wimp! (only joking mate).

[Mogwai]

I think you kind of answered your own question. First of all, retire? I wouldn't think they retired. If they did that then you would see a countless number of 60 year old women on the stage wearing bikinis. And that is why I don't buy the monger's excuse of "Well they have to do this to survive. " It is just like anywhere else. People are drawn to the fast lane with hopes of getting fast money, no matter what they plan to use it for. Then when they experience all the cons it is like fuck this shit. How many people are in PI? Now how many bar girls are in PI? There must be other jobs to do because the majority do not work in bars and sell pussy and still seem to be able to eat everyday. So they go back to the same regular shit that everyday people do.
Yes, the majority does not work in bars and sell pussy but a lot of them are not able to eat everyday. Or they have to skip meals and cannot eat three times a day.

On the other hand: the P4 P scene is much bigger than it looks at first glance. A lot of girls sell their pussy through the internet and of course there is a huge local scene. So that 'majority' might be smaller than it looks.

The 'minority' that sells their pussy might not really need it to survive but it sure helps.

[Dg8787]

I met a girl in Subic who left the game for a while and went with a pooreigner for 9-months. He had retired to AC of all places!! She couldn't get it to work, so is back at the club again trying to make ends meet. She is deeply disappointed about the relationship she had with her pooreigner. She said the age and generational gap was too far to bridge. He just wanted to stay home or meet with his mates and talk about life in his home country. She was expected to do all of the domestic chores, had no friends, had no internet at home, tired of his control and became bored. She was looking for action, entertainment and travel like any other 25-year old and he was not keen for it. She said that as her earning capacity had come to a halt, she expected him to send money to her family in the provinces. This he did not want to do.The $1200 a month pensioner becomes a Phil pesonaire upon landing on the shores of Philippines. Suddenly he can attract a younger more beautiful doting mate because he is perceived as "stable". But old habits never die. Broke is broke. Drunk is drunk. Controlling is controlling. Doesn't take long for the Filipina to figure out something is wrong. If she has a pooreigner baby she has no other choice but to go work in the bar for babies' milk.

[X Man]

Some quit. Okay. I would hope so! Then you say that quitting is "certain by a few months". I've met many still working in some fashion after many years. Also a few who work in peak months and then disappear the rest of the year.

I've also met many who found a better life. Some of my favorites actually.

787, how large is your data sample? Are you talking about AC bar girls only, or p4 p PI girls in general?

BTW, how much does a "man up" dna paternity test cost in the Philippines? I guess the "low-grade" "pooreigner" that you mention (data sample please) wouldn't be able to afford a paternity test.


SNIP 401 pension black humor SNIP I have stayed in contact with a number of girls afterwards. Most quit within a few weeks, certain by a few months. Most of the girls I see are newbies and are quite shocked by the work and life and end up quitting rather quickly. Their after life is generally back to the poverty they had before. I wouldn't say that I am fascinated by their after life but more like sadden and stricken for them. A few will meet some foreigner and think they have arrived at the Ball. More than likely the pooreigner is of low grade will fade away and disappear. Most of theses girls will end up having a baby with them with no support as the pooreigner runs like hell. There are very few happy endings to these girls life.

[Dg8787]

Some quit. Okay. I would hope so! Then you say that quitting is "certain by a few months". I've met many still working in some fashion after many years. Also a few who work in peak months and then disappear the rest of the year.

I've also met many who found a better life. Some of my favorites actually.

787, how large is your data sample? Are you talking about AC bar girls only, or p4 p PI girls in general?

BTW, how much does a "man up" dna paternity test cost in the Philippines? I guess the "low-grade" "pooreigner" that you mention (data sample please) wouldn't be able to afford a paternity test.My experience is with AC BG the past few years. Approximately <60 girls. Mostly 80% newbies with less than 2-3 weeks on the job. The past year I have been pulling from perimeter bars, before that mostly Ponytails, Viking, Champagne and Lollipop.

I don't have first hand knowledge of DNA testing cost. I have heard P15,000 as a number but am not sure if that is for momma, poppa and child or just for poppa and child. Again just what I heard. I imagine there is preliminary blood type test you can do first. Again don't know the price of that. I do know that for USA, you have to get an appointment with the USA Manila Embassy and use the USA Embassy assigned and approved DNA testing location. Again I don't know the cost of the test.

[Red Kilt]

Yes, the majority does not work in bars and sell pussy but a lot of them are not able to eat everyday. Or they have to skip meals and cannot eat three times a day.

On the other hand: the P4 P scene is much bigger than it looks at first glance. A lot of girls sell their pussy through the internet and of course there is a huge local scene. So that 'majority' might be smaller than it looks.

The 'minority' that sells their pussy might not really need it to survive but it sure helps.I think many guys who visit here or who trawl through the dating sites get a false impression of just how large (small?) the P4 P scene inn the Philippines actually is.

If you visit AC; hang out at the bars in Cebu or Burgos Street / GB / Malate in Manila you see only a fraction of the population.

Some hard data:

Phils population (today) is 103.2 M (increasing by 5335 births each day).

62.5 M of this population is aged between 15 and 64.

31.2 M of this 15 - 64 population are females.

Let's guess some numbers.

If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's one million females.

That's roughly 3% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity.

If you want to double it to be extra conservative, then make it 6% of the (possible) female population that might be engaged in sex activity.

That leaves 28 M women going about their normal life not even aware of the "red light" scene in Manila, AC or elsewhere. Those of us who live here interract with these women each day in our work and business transactions. Sex is not on the agenda, discussed or ever an issue.

I hope this helps give some perspective.

If you want to check my figures, there are plenty of sites (eg http://countrymeters.info/en/Philippines).

[Amadeuss]

If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's ONE MILLION females.

.I love those sort of calculation errors, leading to interesting statistical assumptions.

But can tell ya mate. Wherever I go over the many years, be it Manila, Cebu, Angeles or deepest province, I always can find pussy. Not in the bar but just the plain Jane.

[Engine Driver]

If there are (say) 2000 working girls in AC; 3000 working girls in Manila; 3000 working girls in other cities; 2000 women on dating sites; that's one million females.

Doesn't the math add up to 10,000? If you count all the semi-pros, amateurs and bored housewives looking for a good time (shop clerks, cabin crew, nurses, college students, hotel receptionists, massage girls, jolli bee servers etc) add another million or three.

[Streetlooker]

I too think that on my "day off", I will just bar fine someone just so that I can sleep next to a warm body. On a mongering holiday to AC, no point in being on your own is there? Before long, I am playing with her pussy, then eating her pussy and then she gets wet. She then offers me a BBBJ. What to do?Most times when I am pretty sure I will be taking a night or 2 off I will barfine a girl I have already had before and play the GFE game. I have banged her so no curiosity to what its like. Most girls I have been with will more then gladly take a barfine payment and not have to put out its like a day off for them.I often barfine repeats for sex sessions also because I know what I am getting for my money which you never know with a new girl

[Red Dogger]

Most times when I am pretty sure I will be taking a night or 2 off I will barfine a girl I have already had before and play the GFE game. I have banged her so no curiosity to what its like. Most girls I have been with will more then gladly take a barfine payment and not have to put out its like a day off for them.I often barfine repeats for sex sessions also because I know what I am getting for my money which you never know with a new girlWith 40 MG of tadalafil and 160 MG of transdermal testosterone per day, you should be able to keep them busy every night.

[Engine Driver]

Has anyone kicked out a girl early for a minor misdemeanour?

I was with a very nice looking LT girl in AC last month. When I woke the next morning to go for a pi ss, I noticed that she had pinched a loaf and had forgotten to flush. That was it. I had intended for her to stick around for breakfast, but I made her leave early. I was just so upset that she spoiled my long held belief that hot looking women don't shit.

[Dg8787]

Has anyone kicked out a girl early for a minor misdemeanour?

I was with a very nice looking LT girl in AC last month. When I woke the next morning to go for a pi ss, I noticed that she had pinched a loaf and had forgotten to flush. That was it. I had intended for her to stick around for breakfast, but I made her leave early. I was just so upset that she spoiled my long held belief that hot looking women don't shit.I have noticed a few girls don't flush after peeing. I think it is because they are not used to a flushing toilet. If you had been to their homes you will see they have tankless toilets. Never became a top priority to ask why. I just stick to fucking business.

[Dg8787]

RBI Steakhouse has opened in the space vacated by the Italian resto. Steaks are imported fresh from USA. I did not try the steaks but they have a variety of other great menu items. Food was excellently prepared and presented by Chef Jeff. Entrees start around P350 if I remembered correctly. Probably has the best cup of coffee in AC.

[Wicked Roger]

I have noticed a few girls don't flush after peeing. I think it is because they are not used to a flushing toilet. If you had been to their homes you will see they have tankless toilets. Never became a top priority to ask why. I just stick to fucking business.As one told me. Water costs money so we need to save cash in our family so why flush each time. Yes best stick to more important questions such us "do you like anal" LOL.

[ConquerorVal]

You can take a girl out of the village, but not the village out of the girl. One of the cuties that stayed with me at the hotel was squating over the western toilet. I did not mind that as much as the footprints she left on the rim of the toilet. Did not realized how dirty her feet were.

[Engine Driver]

You can take a girl out of the village, but not the village out of the girl. One of the cuties that stayed with me at the hotel was squating over the western toilet. I did not mind that as much as the footprints she left on the rim of the toilet. Did not realized how dirty her feet were.I hope you didn't realise that after sucking her toes!!

[BrainDrain]

I have noticed a few girls don't flush after peeing. I think it is because they are not used to a flushing toilet. If you had been to their homes you will see they have tankless toilets. Never became a top priority to ask why. I just stick to fucking business.Why not flush?

Last month and for the first time of visiting Pi for 5 years I went to visit a family in a provincial village, on a island, one hour flight, 4 hour ferry ride, one hour drive.

Water IS available, every day from 6 am to 8 am. There is a tap located just a few houses away. The water will run from 6 am - 8 am when everyone can carry water back to their houses. This water then needs to last the day until tomorrow. It's all they will have for cooking, cleaning, flushing.

Many of the bar girls in AC come from these villages, they are not used to running water or wasting it.

For me, the provincial visit helped me understand what life these guys are coming from.

BD.

[BrainDrain]

To help put activities and tips into context I recently learned some pretty interesting facts about AC.

I spent about a week province travelling with my AC GF. Along the way, we met a 'retired' bg whom has left the city life and returned to her village. The conversation turned to pay rates.

Walking Street.

AC waitress P100 per night + lady drinks.

AC doorgirl P150 per night (can't earn as much in lady drinks).

Waitress whom sells 10 lady drinks for herself, can go home early.

Burgos St Manila.

Waitress P300.

So, you don't need to BF a girl to make a big difference to her nightly income. A drink or two with a P100 tip will impact earnings.

BD.

[BrainDrain]

Each visit to AC I always like to explore a new angle to getting laid.

This time I strolled along MCArthur Road from around the old Mint Hotel towards Walking ST, eventually coming across the D'Lady Grace Massage Centre. It is opposite McDonalds, adjacent to Jollibee at the end of Walking St. Well signed out front.

P500 for a massage and room. Enter through door, counter to pay on right, seat to wait to the left. Guy at the counter takes my money, younger lad shows me down corridor to room. The room was exactly what I needed. It was dirty and low cost. Adjoining shower was just a bucket. Mattress covered with a light plastic sheet which also covered the pillow.

There was an uncomfortably long wait for my therapist. I was thinking I had the wrong impression of the place or there really were no staff.

Eventually attractive lady comes in, nice body, nice dress and heels. That's a better impression. She's nice and chatty. Starts a mediocre massage and after about 5 minutes asks if I want more. Starts at P2000 for BJ & sex. We agree on P1000. Asks if I have condom so didn't need hers. I've made a habit of always carry a condom in AC, just in case.

Session was quite enjoyable and she was quite a performer. I was surprised. Didn't bother to record her name to include I the report as I a sure the staff her are constantly moving on.

Would I return? Probably yes. It's a low hassle way for getting my rocks off. No need for the lady drink, bar fine hassle. More that a BJ bar.

I really miss Ac already.

BD.

[Engine Driver]

To help put activities and tips into context I recently learned some pretty interesting facts about AC.

I spent about a week province travelling with my AC GF. Along the way, we met a 'retired' bg whom has left the city life and returned to her village. The conversation turned to pay rates.

Walking Street.

AC waitress P100 per night + lady drinks.

AC doorgirl P150 per night (can't earn as much in lady drinks).

Waitress whom sells 10 lady drinks for herself, can go home early.

Burgos St Manila.

Waitress P300.

So, you don't need to BF a girl to make a big difference to her nightly income. A drink or two with a P100 tip will impact earnings.

BD.A dancer at the Walking Street bars in AC gets 300 PHP a night, plus LDs and part of the barfine. A girl at Pony Tails said she gets the same as the dancers at Atlantis. She was certain that even the super hot looking dancers at the big clubs got the same as her. I asked her why she didn't want to go to the larger bars. She replied that there was less competition for LDs and bar fines at the smaller places and hence it was easier and less stressful to make a good living.

I agree with you that a 50 PHP tip for a waitress makes a big impact.

[Mogwai]

A dancer at the Walking Street bars in AC gets 300 PHP a night, plus LDs and part of the barfine.When I was in AC in March I saw several billboards at the front of the bars in Walking Street asking for dancers and promising 200 PHP a night. One of them promised 250 a night if I recall correctly. I don't remember seeing 300 but maybe it has gone up in the meantime.

Anyway, according to one of my regulars the minimum wage in AC is 150 (for a 'normal' job) so anything above that is great.

[Engine Driver]

When I was in AC in March I saw several billboards at the front of the bars in Walking Street asking for dancers and promising 200 PHP a night. One of them promised 250 a night if I recall correctly. I don't remember seeing 300 but maybe it has gone up in the meantime.

Anyway, according to one of my regulars the minimum wage in AC is 150 (for a 'normal' job) so anything above that is great.I think all the Doll House group of bars pay 300 PHP for dancers. Just going by what the lady told me. So a dancer is getting around 8 K in salary a month without including LDs and BFs. It's hard job for the money. I don't know how any of them can last more than a few months. I get tired after a week in AC and I'm in bed by 11.00 pm each night with or without a girl next to me.

[X Man]

Thanks for that BD. It's nice to get some perspective about pay scales here and there.

Does a waitress get her tips or is it pooled and shared among all waitresses. Or all staff?

I dislike getting many coins in my change tray. I'm happy to leave a note as a tip, but when I get a ton of change, my tip gets smaller and my pocket get's heavier. I guess it's common sense from their side. Many guys will take the bills and leave the coin. Of course the coins are hidden underneath, or worse, in between bills. Sorry, that's deception in my book.

Let's say I call a dancer down, buy her a drink, and we interview each other. But then I decide to leave. For a while I was giving the dancer more of a tip than the waitresses. In most cases I was there because of the dancer, not the waitress. Once or twice a dancer took the money I gave her and handed it over to the waitress. I thought there might be some kind of rule, so I asked "why". The dancer said the waitresses are paid badly, as BD reports. Lesson learned.

Whining about waitresses: if I call a dancer down, I would like to ask for her name before the waitress barges in and asks me if I want to buy her a drink. I know that calling a dancer down implies that I will buy a drink. But what's the big hurry? I'm excited about meeting the dancer. Don't mess with the vibe at such a critical time.

I'm sure others have different feelings or different pet peeves (complaints). X.


To help put activities and tips into context I recently learned some pretty interesting facts about AC.

I spent about a week province travelling with my AC GF. Along the way, we met a 'retired' bg whom has left the city life and returned to her village. The conversation turned to pay rates.

Walking Street.

AC waitress P100 per night + lady drinks.

AC doorgirl P150 per night (can't earn as much in lady drinks).

Waitress whom sells 10 lady drinks for herself, can go home early.

Burgos St Manila.

Waitress P300.

So, you don't need to BF a girl to make a big difference to her nightly income. A drink or two with a P100 tip will impact earnings.

BD.

[Kartolo]

Does a waitress get her tips or is it pooled and shared among all waitresses. Or all staff
. X.If you leave it on the tray, it goes into the pool and is shared by all the staff. Hand the tip to the waitress if you want to give it to her.

[KhongPoh]

I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:

1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.

2. Have a threesome.

Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?

[Dg8787]

My understanding and experience in AC is the dancers get a salary range from P150 to P200. Possibly high end Fields bar might go up to P250. I have not ever heard of P300 but it could be possible at a few places. The BG gets a commission of app. P50 on a single lady drink. P100 on a double LD. Same with the waitress if you buy her a drink.

Waitress salary is around P100 to P200 a day but certainly less than the dancer's salary. I don't think the waitress gets a commission when the customer or BG orders a drink. The waitress depends on tips as extra income.

The BG and waitress gets to keep their tips wheter you designate it personal or not. I don't believe the tips go into a general pool. But it would be best to hand the tip directly to the designated person.

OTOH, tips are pooled in restaurants and other drinking establishments. I was in Rob's bar located across the street from Penthouse Hotel and wanted to tip the female bartender. I asked her if her tips were pooled or not and she said they were pooled. I then asked the manger if I could declare the tip as a personal tip and he said yes. I believe it is good policy to declare a personal tip in front of the manager on duty to avoid any confusion.

[BrainDrain]

Previously I have also just paid the waitress directly for the value of he LD without actually buying her a drink. SO instead of paying the house P300 for the LD, just ask the girl if she wants to accept the P300 without the rink.

This is not acceptable in all establishments and totally perverts the course of business.

BD.

[Engine Driver]

I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:

1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.

2. Have a threesome.

Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?1. Go to any of the larger bars and tell the mamasan your requirements. Likely to be very expensive if she is in indeed an actual virgin. Might not be that easy.

2. Very easy to achieve at just about any bar. Pick one girl, then ask her to select a friend she is comfortable with. All you have to pay is 2 BFs.

[Robbaf]

Thanks for that BD. It's nice to get some perspective about pay scales here and there.

Does a waitress get her tips or is it pooled and shared among all waitresses. Or all staff?

I dislike getting many coins in my change tray. I'm happy to leave a note as a tip, but when I get a ton of change, my tip gets smaller and my pocket get's heavier. I guess it's common sense from their side. Many guys will take the bills and leave the coin. Of course the coins are hidden underneath, or worse, in between bills. Sorry, that's deception in my book.

Let's say I call a dancer down, buy her a drink, and we interview each other. But then I decide to leave. For a while I was giving the dancer more of a tip than the waitresses. In most cases I was there because of the dancer, not the waitress. Once or twice a dancer took the money I gave her and handed it over to the waitress. I thought there might be some kind of rule, so I asked "why". The dancer said the waitresses are paid badly, as BD reports. Lesson learned.

Whining about waitresses: if I call a dancer down, I would like to ask for her name before the waitress barges in and asks me if I want to buy her a drink. I know that calling a dancer down implies that I will buy a drink. But what's the big hurry? I'm excited about meeting the dancer. Don't mess with the vibe at such a critical time.

I'm sure others have different feelings or different pet peeves (complaints). X.Sadly Margarita Station is one of the worse offenders. I have received 73 pesos in coins on a 170 Peso bill, paying with a 500 Peso bill. I purposely don't leave a tip and tell the waitress why on my way out.

[Engine Driver]

I've tested some common economic principles in the context of the AC bar scene. My results are below. As usual, I will add the catch all disclaimers: YMMV, this is purely my opinion, I am only a newbie with three visits to the Phils. Please feel free to add your own views and additional theories.

1. Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns: Yes, this is applicable. The biggest release and orgasm you get will be from fucking the first girl of the night. By the fourth girl on the same evening, your cock will be sore, you will be tired of pussy and the marginal sexual satisfaction you get will be much smaller. You will refuse an offer from the fifth girl that evening even if it is free and she is a 10.

2. Supply and Demand: No, not applicable. There are always way more girls in the bars than punters, but the bars don't drop their prices to match. FLs might be happy to reduce their rate if desperate. A writer on the BKK forum said some of the bars there raise their prices in the off-season to make up for lost revenue, making this theory rubbish.

3. Principal- Agent Problem: No, not applicable to AC as the girls don't up-sell their services. The BF is a fixed fee and the tip is not mandatory and "up to you". This theory is more applicable in an FKK where the girl is up-selling different services. You then ask yourself, is this Romanian girl offering me anal sex and CIM so that it can make me happier or is she offering these to make her Euro $100 richer? Hence the Principal Agent problem.

4. Classical Economics: Yes, partially applicable here. While officially there is no interference from the government, we all know that various government agencies have some influence in the AC bar scene. Now would prostitution work better in AC if there were no interference at all? I think may be the kick-backs keep the place in equilibrium. Look what happened to Iraq when Suddam Hussein was toppled?

5. Laissez-Faire: Yes, partially true. There is on the surface, no obvious government interference in what is fundamentally an illegal activity. No taxation of earnings, no subsidies and the transaction between the bar and the punter is easy. Everyone is relaxed about it.

6. Laffer Curve: Yes, completely applicable. Now the bar owner might think that if he can raise LDs to 1,000 PHP and BFs to 9,000 PHP, he will make a lot more money per transaction. But his overall revenue will drop as punters stay away from AC. Now if he were to reduce LDs to 50 PHP and BFs to 1,200 PHP, his ROI per girl would decline, but would his overall revenue and profit increase? Probably, as punters would flock to AC instead of going to LOS. This would be at the expense of the girls as their incomes would fall and they would leave the bar scene, leading to supply and demand issues all over again. Now I'the be happy to work with the bar owners and LE to do some financial modelling to determine the optimal pricing point! I can take payment in kind.

7. Speculative Bubble: Yes, applicable to AC. Just look at the number of new hotels in AC over the past few years, based on the speculation that more punters will arrive. Is it a bubble? Not sure. Not everyone is in AC to monger. I assume there is considerable business activity in Clark.

8. Tragedy of the Commons: Yes, applicable here. Look at the way the Koreans, acting independently, are driving up prices and girls' expectations, much to the destruction of everyone else. We take that the availability of girls is a common resource, yet one particular group is upsetting the situation.

9. Rational Choice Theory: Yes, applicable here. Each punter is trying to make an individual decision when selecting a girl from the immense LU, without any interference. Every Western punter wants GFE, PSE, BBBJCIM, DFK and two pops for 3,000 PHP. Koreans want 3 minutes, with their 3-inch dicks and will pay 3,000 PHP for 1 pop in the missionary position. Their choices are rational and are not impulsive. Each knows what he wants. This in turn affects the behaviour of the girls and you all know where their preferences lie!

10. What Goes Around Comes Around: Not really an economic theory, but assumes that if you treat an AC girl nicely and respectfully, she will give you a mind blowing performance.

[Sxxxx]

Sadly Margarita Station is one of the worse offenders. I have received 73 pesos in coins on a 170 Peso bill, paying with a 500 Peso bill. I purposely don't leave a tip and tell the waitress why on my way out.I think its unwise to return to same Restaurant after such encounter. If there is a next time, waitress might tell cook to spit / [CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111) in soup, LOL.

That coin treatment has never happened to me, at Margarita's. White Managers are on the floor close by 24/7. On duty Manager is the one to have a chit with, if any problems.

Rather dull looking place with slow service (cooked to order) , but good basic food, is my experience.

[Mogwai]

6. Laffer Curve: Yes, completely applicable. Now the bar owner might think that if he can raise LDs to 1,000 PHP and BFs to 9,000 PHP, he will make a lot more money per transaction. But his overall revenue will drop as punters stay away from AC. Now if he were to reduce LDs to 50 PHP and BFs to 1,200 PHP, his ROI per girl would decline, but would his overall revenue and profit increase? Probably, as punters would flock to AC instead of going to LOS. This would be at the expense of the girls as their incomes would fall and they would leave the bar scene, leading to supply and demand issues all over again. Now I'the be happy to work with the bar owners and LE to do some financial modelling to determine the optimal pricing point! I can take payment in kind.
Nice analysis ED. Just one comment with regards to no. 6: I don't think the girls' incomes would fall because more punters and lower prices means they would be barfined more often, maybe even twice as much.
Maybe some of them might leave because they have to work too hard, LOL!

[Engine Driver]

Nice analysis ED. Just one comment with regards to no. 6: I don't think the girls' incomes would fall because more punters and lower prices means they would be barfined more often, maybe even twice as much.
Maybe some of them might leave because they have to work too hard, LOL!Yes, very true. They would have to do more ST sessions in a night to make up their income targets and push more LDs.

[KhongPoh]

1. Go to any of the larger bars and tell the mamasan your requirements. Likely to be very expensive if she is in indeed an actual virgin. Might not be that easy.

2. Very easy to achieve at just about any bar. Pick one girl, then ask her to select a friend she is comfortable with. All you have to pay is 2 BFs.Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?

And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?

[Amadeuss]

Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?

And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?LOL, you are a true virgin in the monger world. "Can I get a refund" . That the quote of the day.

What you think you buy? Compare it with a parachute jump: you pay upfront. If the parachute doesn't open, bad luck.

Are you Asian? Be prepare to fork out more then 50.000, more likely 100.000 Peso. Thats the going rate ex bar to Koreans. But more important, be prepared to be rejected. Specially the poor girls who start as cherry in that business wish to find a husband. For them 1000 peso or 100.000 is no difference. Both go to the pamily to buy a sack of rice. But to loose the cherry means that they never can find a Pinoy husband anymore. And their mom was teaching them from young years: your cherry only to your husband.

As newcomer, just enjoy. Don't focus on cherries only.

If you a charmer and experienced, you can go the way over a dating board. At DIA you can find heaps of them. But that are normally tough cherries to pick. However, some go for free if you play it right. I could tell stories, but as gentlemen one better enjoys and keep silent.

[Mr Enternational]

LOL, you are a true virgin in the monger world. "Can I get a refund" . That the quote of the day.

What you think you buy? Compare it with a parachute jump: you pay upfront. If the parachute doesn't open, bad luck.That is why I always pay after. So if the parachute does not open then whoever I rented it from will not get paid. I wouldn't fall for the virgin bar girl scam though. How are they going to prove to you that she is and how are you going to prove to them that she is not? It's all the word of the girl.

[Engine Driver]

Thank you Engine Driver. Do you know any specific bars that I can meet more Cherry Girls? What is the damage like?

And if you BF a Cherry Girl and find that she is not a virgin, can we get a refund?As Amadeuss and Mr E have pointed out, cherry hunting is fraught with risk. If this is going to be your first visit, it might be better to just absorb the AC atmosphere, learn how the place works and just enjoy the company of hundreds of beautiful, friendly, non-virgin girls. Getting a threesome there is the easiest thing in the world. Don't be shy in approaching the mamasan or the waitresses for help. Buy them a drink and they will give you a lot of useful information.

Leave the cherries for the Koreans who have big sacks of cash to waste.

[Dg8787]

I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:

1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.

2. Have a threesome.

Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?There are always risks involved in anything in life. To answer your questions.

1. In AC bars a virgin is just called a cherry girl. Most bars have cherry girls working there from time to time. You just have to shop around. Not all Cherry girls are available to have their cherries broken. Some just work and do drinks and do not go out. Best to ask first if their cherry is available. They will tell you the price of the cherry. I think most bars get half of it. Prices range from 50 k to 100 k. I am only telling you from what I understand and not from any experience. Keep in mind that you will probably not get a full fuck in as you break the cherry as the cherry girl will more likely be in a lot of pain and want you to stop fucking her. Remember you bought the PRIVILEGE of breaking it, nothing more.

It is your bucket item and only you can determine the value of it. I trust you are an adult and can weigh the risks and cost and determine the value to you.

2. Threesomes are available but true PSE may be hard to find. It is possible but you will have to shop around and try different threesomes until you hit the jackpot.

No one bar specifically stocks your items. So you have to shop around different bars.

Btw, there are NO REFUNDS. No satisfaction guarantees. 100% cash pay up front. No credit cards or checks.

P.s. Bring a red towel and some good lube for #1

[Amadeuss]

How are they going to prove to you that she is and how are you going to prove to them that she is not?You can: have a look, before you pay. If she is, she will be absolutely shy: first time a men looks at her most precious asset. And even asks to spread her legs. "Oh my God auntie, what you asking me to do here?

If she's not, she or her "auntie" will talk you out. Sure indication that the parachute won't open. LOL.

My little experience: if the hymen is intact, it seems to be quite painful for her to fully spread the eagle. Best she can do is a V spread.

And the pay-after system got its dangers: auntie offered me her niece. Agreed on the price. Didn't check. In the sack she was perfoming with experience and admitted that her neighbor already did her. In the morning we agreed that half the amount was ok. (It was not what you pay nowadays). But then in the afternoon the angry mom was looking for me, as she needed the full sum. Lucky, the hotel-manager I did stay did cover me. But that's another story.

Life can be exciting. Live it.

[Nobody30]

Each visit to AC I always like to explore a new angle to getting laid.

This time I strolled along MCArthur Road from around the old Mint Hotel towards Walking ST, eventually coming across the D'Lady Grace Massage Centre. It is opposite McDonalds, adjacent to Jollibee at the end of Walking St. Well signed out front.

P500 for a massage and room. Enter through door, counter to pay on right, seat to wait to the left. Guy at the counter takes my money, younger lad shows me down corridor to room. The room was exactly what I needed. It was dirty and low cost. Adjoining shower was just a bucket. Mattress covered with a light plastic sheet which also covered the pillow.

There was an uncomfortably long wait for my therapist. I was thinking I had the wrong impression of the place or there really were no staff.

Eventually attractive lady comes in, nice body, nice dress and heels. That's a better impression. She's nice and chatty. Starts a mediocre massage and after about 5 minutes asks if I want more. Starts at P2000 for BJ & sex. We agree on P1000...Always seen the place, but never stepped in.

Would try and ask about in room service next time I'm in town.

So you paid 1.5 k all in? Better than my last experience, I paid 2.5 k, for one pop, but that was my fault for not negotiating beforehand.

[Random99]

I dislike getting many coins in my change tray. I'm happy to leave a note as a tip, but when I get a ton of change, my tip gets smaller and my pocket get's heavier. I guess it's common sense from their side. Many guys will take the bills and leave the coin. Of course the coins are hidden underneath, or worse, in between bills. Sorry, that's deception in my book.

I've never been to AC, but many times in Manila. I have gotten an overabundance of coin change. The majority of the time, it's because they do not have enough paper money. I used to save it for hotel housekeeping tips (but I am not staying in a hotel anymore) or taxi drivers (but using Uber now).

Now it just accumulates as I usually forget to bring change out with me when I go out.

[Member #4530]

I've never been to AC, but many times in Manila. I have gotten an overabundance of coin change. The majority of the time, it's because they do not have enough paper money. I used to save it for hotel housekeeping tips (but I am not staying in a hotel anymore) or taxi drivers (but using Uber now).

Now it just accumulates as I usually forget to bring change out with me when I go out.I've read that the older worn 1 peso coins work as substitutes for the US quarter in vending machines.

[CrownRoyal]

-Twenty bucks? Nothing quite like paying 3 X what it is WORTH. Oh well. You will become educated in time, grasshopper.

Also, Indian generics (Kamagra, Apsalis, and the like) are in the $6 range for the K and $20 for the A. IF I wanted to pay US prices I would have STAYED THERE.This 'grasshopper' dropped an average of $700 a day on booze, tail, and my hotel room during each of my 2 trips there along with $3400 airfare for each trip; do you think for a moment I was concerned about paying $20 for a little blue pill?

[Streetlooker]

I've never been to AC, but many times in Manila. I have gotten an overabundance of coin change. The majority of the time, it's because they do not have enough paper money. I used to save it for hotel housekeeping tips (but I am not staying in a hotel anymore) or taxi drivers (but using Uber now).

Now it just accumulates as I usually forget to bring change out with me when I go out.I have had a amount of coins up to 4000+ peso a few times built up in the same way you have in your pic. I always go to the hotel front desk and paper it up.

[Streetlooker]

I have never been to AC. I intend to visit AC for 3 D2 N to fulfilled my bucket lists below:

1. Fuck a virgin cherry girl.

2. Have a threesome.

Which bar at AC can I easily find the BG I want?My suggestion for a PSE 3 some would be go to a perimeter bar farther up the road from ponytails. Lots of those type bars are quickie st places catering to pensioners thi Hi honeykos Candybar ect ect lots of girls do threesomes there Best 3some ST sessions I have ever had is at a place called foxy.

[BrainDrain]

Always seen the place, but never stepped in.

Would try and ask about in room service next time I'm in town.

So you paid 1.5 k all in? Better than my last experience, I paid 2.5 k, for one pop, but that was my fault for not negotiating beforehand.I only got the one pop as well, that's all I can manage in the 30 minutes.

I haven't asked them about callout, but I would imagine it would be available. If a girl is sitting there, she might as well be send off on a trike for a while. I woul duse them as an option for this.

The times I've had call in massages I've always gotten straight RnT service. I've sourced them from WeChat or from know MP around town.

BD.

[X Man]

Good comeback! Sounds like you had some exceptional parties. Hope you can add FR and / or pics.

I don't think I've ever spent more than $200 a day in the Philippines unless I was purchasing airline ticket (or tickets) to another island. Oh, and there was that time when someone AKA Apple (from Cordova Cebu) fished out some big bills while I was sleeping.

CrownR, are you that guy who had ten girls (and ten lady drinks) at your table while the dance floor was empty and I was sitting alone? As much as I hated you at that moment, I'd like to thank you for contributing to the local economy. And if those ten girls told ten of their province friends / relatives about gentlemen like you, there may be a few new gals in town when I visit in August. Thank you sir.


This 'grasshopper' dropped an average of $700 a day on booze, tail, and my hotel room during each of my 2 trips there along with $3400 airfare for each trip; do you think for a moment I was concerned about paying $20 for a little blue pill?

[Mr Enternational]

Is it even possible to spend $700 in Angeles in one day? You would have to try really hard to do that. Reminds me of the movie Brewster's Millions:

"Under the terms of the will, Brewster is challenged to spend $30 million within 30 days in order to inherit $300 million. There are some conditions attached: at the end of the 30 days, he may not own any assets that are not already his, and he must get value for the services of anyone he hires. Furthermore, he may donate only 5% to charity and lose another 5% by gambling, and he may not waste the money by buying expensive goods and then destroying them or giving them away".

[Pantot]

This isn't about hotels but I guess about accomodating getting to the rest of the Philippines from Clark. It apparently now it is not possible.

In the past Cebu Pacific had a daily totally inconvienent late evening flight to Cebu with no connecting flights until morning. And a return one in early AM I took that one for a many years and as recently as this past March. Air Asia had a few times a week Clark-Davao route that was killed this year. That was it. I could understand Air Asia they have other issues. They had Boracay flights in the past but once you've been there you realize its an over priced over crowded tourist trap. But now Clark is strictly an international Airport.

So to get anywhere in the Phils to and from AC its a trip to dreaded Manila and all its traffic and BS. My last trip in March I was able to only spend the first and last few hours in Manila as its where my international flight lands. This next trip I'm screwed. I was planning trips to Davao and Calbayog with a home base in AC and its going to be a pain back and forth to AC. I was already SOL on the Calbayog one anyway as you can only get there from Manila on Air Phil or whatever they call it these days.

Whats the politics of this? Because the economics can't have caused this. I can't believe there is no demand to go from AC to anywhere in the Phils by plane. Is any airlines planning to fill the void by August? Or anytime in the forseeable future?

Its like an island you have to swim through shark infested waters to get to and from when a simple short bridge could be built. I understand the bizzare family politics and rivalries of the Pampangan and Manila clans not having simple connecting flights, but now the entire Phils?

[Fast Eddie 48]

Is it even possible to spend $700 in Angeles in one day? You would have to try really hard to do that. Reminds me of the movie Brewster's Millions:

"Under the terms of the will, Brewster is challenged to spend $30 million within 30 days in order to inherit $300 million. There are some conditions attached: at the end of the 30 days, he may not own any assets that are not already his, and he must get value for the services of anyone he hires. Furthermore, he may donate only 5% to charity and lose another 5% by gambling, and he may not waste the money by buying expensive goods and then destroying them or giving them away".To Mr Enternational.

There are a few casino in AC I know a Taiwanese guy lose over one mil usd in a weekend yes it can be done.

Fast eddie 48.

[BrainDrain]

Its like an island you have to swim through shark infested waters to get to and from when a simple short bridge could be built. I understand the bizzare family politics and rivalries of the Pampangan and Manila clans not having simple connecting flights, but now the entire Phils?The CRK-CEB flight was still available in May and I've just started considering it for some travel in August. Has it changed in the past day or so?

But I agree the timing is shite. It is much better to travel out of CRK domestically but even then I've done some logistic on the timing and time of day and it is 'easier' to risk the three hour drive. When that new express way eventually opens I doubt they will ever get domestic flights at DMIA.

One thing I have done is used the left luggage service at T3. This allows me to leave the bulk of my travel stuff at NAIA T3, take just a carry-on to provincial Philippines. Then arrive back, collect all of my luggage and head internationally.

Internationally I prefer to wait a few extra hours at Singapore and fly direct to CRK. Even the timing of those flights seem to miss my preferred times too. Ie flight from Australia arrive 4 pm and CEB flight to CRK departs 4:45 (or so). Not enough time to make the connection.

Happy travels.

BD.

[Dg8787]

This isn't about hotels but I guess about accomodating getting to the rest of the Philippines from Clark. It apparently now it is not possible.

In the past Cebu Pacific had a daily totally inconvienent late evening flight to Cebu with no connecting flights until morning. And a return one in early AM I took that one for a many years and as recently as this past March. Air Asia had a few times a week Clark-Davao route that was killed this year. That was it. I could understand Air Asia they have other issues. They had Boracay flights in the past but once you've been there you realize its an over priced over crowded tourist trap. But now Clark is strictly an international Airport.

So to get anywhere in the Phils to and from AC its a trip to dreaded Manila and all its traffic and BS. My last trip in March I was able to only spend the first and last few hours in Manila as its where my international flight lands. This next trip I'm screwed. I was planning trips to Davao and Calbayog with a home base in AC and its going to be a pain back and forth to AC. I was already SOL on the Calbayog one anyway as you can only get there from Manila on Air Phil or whatever they call it these days.

Whats the politics of this? Because the economics can't have caused this. I can't believe there is no demand to go from AC to anywhere in the Phils by plane. Is any airlines planning to fill the void by August? Or anytime in the forseeable future?

Its like an island you have to swim through shark infested waters to get to and from when a simple short bridge could be built. I understand the bizzare family politics and rivalries of the Pampangan and Manila clans not having simple connecting flights, but now the entire Phils?Relax, there isn't much you can do about it. Last few trips coming into Manila from overseas I have flown within a few hours from Manila to different cities and eventually to Cebu. From Cebu I fly to Angeles. One other time I flew from AC to Cebu and then to Manila for my going home flight. I have found that booking flights in advance on sale is cheaper than the P2800 car service from Manila to Angeles and I still end up in Angeles.

Just make sure you have a girl lined up in each stop.

[Pantot]

The CRK-CEB flight was still available in May and I've just started considering it for some travel in August. Has it changed in the past day or so? Yes it does not exist. I was trying to use it in August as well and its gone. As of now Cebu Pacific DOES NOT service Clark at all. That was the entire premise of my post. A s I stated in the original post I took it in March as well. It was there for many years.


From Cebu I fly to Angeles. One other time I flew from AC to Cebu and then to Manila for my going home flight. I have found that booking flights in advance on sale is cheaper than the P2800 car service from Manila to Angeles and I still end up in Angeles. Just make sure you have a girl lined up in each stop.Try to book a flight from Angeles to anywhere in the Phils. There are no such flights available.

BTW making sure you have more than one girl lined up at each stop is a much better plan.


One thing I have done is used the left luggage service at T3. This allows me to leave the bulk of my travel stuff at NAIA T3, take just a carry-on to provincial Philippines. Then arrive back, collect all of my luggage and head internationally. This is very helpful thanks! I have been looking for this info for many years. I have used T3 a dozen times since it opened and wandered the place many times and never knew this service existed. Where is it?

So yes BD and DG. Things have changed. That was the entire point of my post.

Please before anyone else responds, try to book a flight from Clark to anywhere domestic. You cannot. I really hope someone can prove me wrong. Cebu Pacific as of at least yesterday does not service Clark at all.

[Paulr1950]

0500 H Cebu.

0620 H Clark.

5 J608.

So CP only flys the clark, cebu route but only a few days a week an unfriendly times of flights?

[Dg8787]

I was just on Cebu Pacific website and flights are available and book able for August. Even a return flight for P500!

Last week I booked July 30 with return on August 5.

Btw, all you need is one girl to start in each "layover" and she will get you others.

[Blanquiceleste]

Is it even possible to spend $700 in Angeles in one day? You would have to try really hard to do that. Reminds me of the movie Brewster's Millions:

"Under the terms of the will, Brewster is challenged to spend $30 million within 30 days in order to inherit $300 million. There are some conditions attached: at the end of the 30 days, he may not own any assets that are not already his, and he must get value for the services of anyone he hires. Furthermore, he may donate only 5% to charity and lose another 5% by gambling, and he may not waste the money by buying expensive goods and then destroying them or giving them away".Fabulous insight. I have been to AC several times and never been able to spend more than $200 a day. But then what do I know about high rollers?

[Dg8787]

Fabulous insight. I have been to AC several times and never been able to spend more than $200 a day. But then what do I know about high rollers?I have been to AC many times and never been able to spend less than $100 a day. What the heck do I know about being CC!

OTOH, what the heck do we care what someone spends?

[Streetlooker]

Is it even possible to spend $700 in Angeles in one day? You would have to try really hard to do that. Reminds me of the movie Brewster's Millions:

"Under the terms of the will, Brewster is challenged to spend $30 million within 30 days in order to inherit $300 million. There are some conditions attached: at the end of the 30 days, he may not own any assets that are not already his, and he must get value for the services of anyone he hires. Furthermore, he may donate only 5% to charity and lose another 5% by gambling, and he may not waste the money by buying expensive goods and then destroying them or giving them away".Get the huge suite at the ABC, If possible the one that has a big ass hot tub. Go into a bar and order a beer ring the bell and toss every ping pong ball bucket into the air they have then barfine a girl. Drink beer then leave, with girl. And repeat at next bar until you have spent 700 dollars. You will now have about 15 barfined girls following you back to you hotel to enjoy the big ass hot tub and continue the party Have fun you earned it.

[CrownRoyal]

Get the huge suite at the ABC, If possible the one that has a big ass hot tub. Go into a bar and order a beer ring the bell and toss every ping pong ball bucket into the air they have then barfine a girl. Drink beer then leave, with girl. And repeat at next bar until you have spent 700 dollars. You will now have about 15 barfined girls following you back to you hotel to enjoy the big ass hot tub and continue the party Have fun you earned it.You're talking about the 4 bedroom suite with the 19 Filipinas / 1 man Jacuzzi. That room is currently going for $1,100 USD a night. Booze and split-tail would push that to well over $2,000 USD a night.


Is it even possible to spend $700 in Angeles in one day? You would have to try really hard to do thatI put in 14 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for 3 months straight and then I get 1, sometimes 2 weeks off. After 11 or 12 weeks of remaining chaste and sober, I unleash hell and I could care less what it costs. But it is really easy to drop $700 a day.

I had the Deluxe Penthouse Suite at the ABC both times which, depending on the exchange rate, was over $300 USD one time and just under the other. That's almost half the total and I can drink close to a fifth of whiskey a night. Between my drinks and the lady drinks, I was spending anywhere from $100 to $200 a day or more on booze. And then there is the split-tail; on several occasions, I pulled doubles out of Atlantis (at $150 to $175 plus tip), Ponytails or Doll House ($100 plus tip). Those were my nighttime adventures and I made a few day trips back into Manila for some 'dates' I had arranged on DIA and Tagged. I used the ABC car service which was about $160 (if I remember correctly) round trip plus the girls' fee. I have no idea what I spent on food there but it seems I rarely ate alone.

You guys may knock how much money I dropped in AC but I doubt you could match what I spend in the US while I'm working either; $0. 00. I go for 3 months straight with zero opportunities to drink or chase tail. When I do get an opportunity, I don't care what it costs to cut loose.

[CrownRoyal]

CrownR, are you that guy who had ten girls (and ten lady drinks) at your table while the dance floor was empty and I was sitting alone? As much as I hated you at that moment, I'd like to thank you for contributing to the local economy. And if those ten girls told ten of their province friends / relatives about gentlemen like you, there may be a few new gals in town when I visit in August. Thank you sir.I did that one time (and only once) in Edelweiss (now closed) when it was next to Ponytails. I was buying 10 to 15 drinks at a clip and had quite a few girls 'latching' on including a few waitresses. I think I dropped $500 that night just on booze in Edelweiss and was too drunk to even consider take-out. That was not planned and unusual for me, but I had a blast and had no regrets. I also remember pursuing an avowed lesbian in there, to no avail.

[BrainDrain]

On my most recent AC trip I decided to review my listing of girls. I have been seeing quite a few different girls over the years and always collected FB & cell numbers of girls such that I would keep in touch each tie I visited. Turned out that it was quite a juggling act. The 25 year old horny girls that I first met were turning into 29 year olds looking to settle down with a white foreigner.

So, in the space of a few days I said farewell to all of them, explained I was moving on. Deleted their numbers from my online reference and at the airport through away my old SIM card. Deleted DIA, lost my old wechat account, closed my FB account and basically blocked myself from contacting my old crew. I really felt sad.

Bought and activated a new number for my re-arrival next month.

Now I know that AC is a small place, I'm sure I'll see some again.

Happy punting.

[Robbaf]

I was just on Cebu Pacific website and flights are available and book able for August. Even a return flight for P500!

Last week I booked July 30 with return on August 5.

Btw, all you need is one girl to start in each "layover" and she will get you others.From Cebu Pacific website under flight schedules. https://www.cebupacificair.com/Pages/flight-schedule.aspx.

[BeachBoy46]

I am finally arriving at Clark about noon next Monday. Having experienced the ""delights"" of T3 to Angeles I am looking forward to a much less stressful time.

Could any member help with advice on getting from Clark to my hotel. I understand trikes are not allowed, so is there any transport options or is the tried and true method of my hotel sending a car the best. Pardon my ignorance but any help would be appreciated BB.

[Dg8787]

I am finally arriving at Clark about noon next Monday. Having experienced the ""delights"" of T3 to Angeles I am looking forward to a much less stressful time.

Could any member help with advice on getting from Clark to my hotel. I understand trikes are not allowed, so is there any transport options or is the tried and true method of my hotel sending a car the best. Pardon my ignorance but any help would be appreciated BB.No need to worry about transportation. As you come out of the terminal there will be many drivers with cars out there. It is calmer than T3 and most will be priced around P350. P350 is about norm all the way to Fields. the last few times I found someone to ride share and we both paid P200 each and the driver was happy.

[BrainDrain]

So yes BD and DG. Things have changed. That was the entire point of my post.

Please before anyone else responds, try to book a flight from Clark to anywhere domestic. You cannot. I really hope someone can prove me wrong. Cebu Pacific as of at least yesterday does not service Clark at all.I really am confused as I was just on the website last night organising an early morning flight for next Friday and it was available. CEB-CRK. The fligths don't operate every day. I did a random search in August and can book:

DEPARTURE.

Clark to Cebu.

Flight No: 5 J 609.

• Departure.

15 August 2015, Saturday, 2105 H (09:05 PM).

• Arrival.

15 August 2015, Saturday, 2225 H (10:25 PM).

RETURN.

Cebu to Clark.

Flight No: 5 J 608.

• Departure.

21 August 2015, Friday, 0500 H (05:00 AM).

• Arrival.

21 August 2015, Friday, 0620 H (06:20 AM).

For Terminal 3 Left Luggage, please refer to this website: http://www.protectabag.com.ph/luggage-more.

[Blanquiceleste]

On my most recent AC trip I decided to review my listing of girls. I have been seeing quite a few different girls over the years and always collected FB & cell numbers of girls such that I would keep in touch each tie I visited. Turned out that it was quite a juggling act. The 25 year old horny girls that I first met were turning into 29 year olds looking to settle down with a white foreigner.

So, in the space of a few days I said farewell to all of them, explained I was moving on. Deleted their numbers from my online reference and at the airport through away my old SIM card. Deleted DIA, lost my old wechat account, closed my FB account and basically blocked myself from contacting my old crew. I really felt sad.

Bought and activated a new number for my re-arrival next month.

Now I know that AC is a small place, I'm sure I'll see some again.

Happy punting.I feel for you mate. Heart wrenching. I had done this a few years back and I felt terrible. But I was feeling better after 30 min with a drink looking at a new set of girls.

Good luck!

[BeachBoy46]

No need to worry about transportation. As you come out of the terminal there will be many drivers with cars out there. It is calmer than T3 and most will be priced around P350. P350 is about norm all the way to Fields. the last few times I found someone to ride share and we both paid P200 each and the driver was happy.Thanks for your help and advice mate. Much appreciated. BB.

[Mogwai]

No need to worry about transportation. As you come out of the terminal there will be many drivers with cars out there. It is calmer than T3 and most will be priced around P350. P350 is about norm all the way to Fields. the last few times I found someone to ride share and we both paid P200 each and the driver was happy.When you exit the terminal there's a sign saying that a taxi to Angeles (or Fields Av. , I don't know exactly what it says) has a fixed price of P250. Now we all know what 'fixed' means in the Phils so you'd better make sure the driver sticks to this price.
I've taken a taxi from Clark twice recently (early 2015), both times for P250 and I didn't have to negotiate. I just made sure the driver would stick to the price. But maybe I was lucky.

[Streetlooker]

You're talking about the 4 bedroom suite with the 19 Filipinas / 1 man Jacuzzi. That room is currently going for $1,100 USD a night. Booze and split-tail would push that to well over $2,000 USD a night.

I put in 14 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for 3 months straight and then I get 1, sometimes 2 weeks off. After 11 or 12 weeks of remaining chaste and sober, I unleash hell and I could care less what it costs. But it is really easy to drop $700 a day.

I had the Deluxe Penthouse Suite at the ABC both times which, depending on the exchange rate, was over $300 USD one time and just under the other. That's almost half the total and I can drink close to a fifth of whiskey a night. Between my drinks and the lady drinks, I was spending anywhere from $100 to $200 a day or more on booze. And then there is the split-tail; on several occasions, I pulled doubles out of Atlantis (at $150 to $175 plus tip), Ponytails or Doll House ($100 plus tip). Those were my nighttime adventures and I made a few day trips back into Manila for some 'dates' I had arranged on DIA and Tagged. I used the ABC car service which was about $160 (if I remember correctly) round trip plus the girls' fee. I have no idea what I spent on food there but it seems I rarely ate alone.

You guys may knock how much money I dropped in AC but I doubt you could match what I spend in the US while I'm working either; $0. 00. I go for 3 months straight with zero opportunities to drink or chase tail. When I do get an opportunity, I don't care what it costs to cut loose.Ok Then make that the $7000.00 barhop.

[D Cups]

There are cabs at the airport but I don't remember the fare.


I am finally arriving at Clark about noon next Monday. Having experienced the ""delights"" of T3 to Angeles I am looking forward to a much less stressful time.

Could any member help with advice on getting from Clark to my hotel. I understand trikes are not allowed, so is there any transport options or is the tried and true method of my hotel sending a car the best. Pardon my ignorance but any help would be appreciated BB..

[Nolz7]

Ok Then make that the $7000.00 barhop.I was charged 500 pesos from Hotel Apollonia Royale to Clark airport.

[Advantageous]

A lot of the comparison to Sosua are what made me decide to give AC a try--I've booked Thurs-Mon at ABC (I got a good rate for the PM Suite and decided to jump) on the tail end of a 2. 5 week trip to mongering and cultural destinations I've never been to (SR, PP, and HCMC--I've technically been to PP before, but only as the result of a flight cancellation in PNH that turned into a 23 hour layover, so my objectives were "get my dick sucked and go to bed" by the time I left the airport). I'm excited for all the destinations, but the hype for ABC has me a bit more juiced for AC than anywhere else.

My question is this: When I'm making bombing runs at the mall, should I casually slip into conversation where I'm staying? I'm not sure if this sends the signal that I'm more or less worth blowing after their shift. Also, if anyone's in town the last weekend of the month and wouldn't mind sharing a few beers (on me) and some friendly discussion on the topic of AC, shoot me a PM; I'm told that I'm pretty amiable for an American.

[Pantot]

I was just on Cebu Pacific website and flights are available and book able for August. Even a return flight for P500!

Last week I booked July 30 with return on August 5.

Btw, all you need is one girl to start in each "layover" and she will get you others.Yes the 3 times a week horrible late night Cebu flight is back up and running. For 3 days it disappeared and Clark was omitted from the downloadable Cebu Pacific Domestic flight schedule entirely. A P500 return flight may have been advertised but they are never a reality. Cebu Pacific and Phil Air advertise those but the taxes and fees jack it up way beyond that. Still cheap in advance relatively speaking if you can commit early.

My original question that how can a busy international Airport have only 3 domestic connecting flights per week (ok not Zero) is just bizarre and only in the Phils.

[Mogwai]

My original question that how can a busy international Airport have only 3 domestic connecting flights per week (ok not Zero) is just bizarre and only in the Phils.Busy international airport? There are only 7 destinations where you can fly to and from. 6 of them are international but except for 2 (Doha and Incheon (Seoul)) they are all in the neighbourhood (SE Asia).

http://crk.clarkairport.com/airlines-destinations

Anyway, I agree that only 1 domestic destination is meager. In 2006 I flew from Tagbilaran (Bohol), of all places, to Clark, in a Boeing 747 for crying out loud! Can't recall which airline it was though.

[BrainDrain]

My question is this: When I'm making bombing runs at the mall, should I casually slip into conversation where I'm staying? I'm not sure if this sends the signal that I'm more or less worth blowing after their shift. Also, if anyone's in town the last weekend of the month and wouldn't mind sharing a few beers (on me) and some friendly discussion on the topic of AC, shoot me a PM; I'm told that I'm pretty amiable for an American.I'm not sure than SM Mall in AC is really suited or as successful as other malls in Philippines. In any convo with a potential girl I would reluctantly mention it.

Why not just go out of ABC, turn right and walk two hundred metres. You'll have something by then.

Be sure to use your drink vouchers on the first night and enjoy the view.

BD.

[Dg8787]

I'm not sure than SM Mall in AC is really suited or as successful as other malls in Philippines. In any convo with a potential girl I would reluctantly mention it.

Why not just go out of ABC, turn right and walk two hundred metres. You'll have something by then.

Be sure to use your drink vouchers on the first night and enjoy the view.

BD.Another ABC'er looking for freebie or cheap pussy? Or did I misunderstand it? LOL. Personally I don't think most bg care where you are staying as long as you aren't cheap and you treat them nice.

[Advantageous]

Another ABC'er looking for freebie or cheap pussy? Or did I misunderstand it? LOL. Personally I don't think most bg care where you are staying as long as you aren't cheap and you treat them nice.I'd say I'm looking for things / girls to do during the day, and the mall generally allows for both in a nice air-conditioned package. I've not been to AC, but after thorough yet ongoing RTFF, the $300/ day I'm budgeting for AC and the $200/ day I'm budgeting for Subic (separate from travel and accommodation budget) seems like it should allow me to fulfill that first condition. As for the second condition, I've no intention of being a dirt bag to anyone who doesn't deserve it. Also excited within reasonably tempered boundaries for Subic; it sounds like a sleepier Sosua.

[Dg8787]

I'd say I'm looking for things / girls to do during the day, and the mall generally allows for both in a nice air-conditioned package. I've not been to AC, but after thorough yet ongoing RTFF, the $300/ day I'm budgeting for AC and the $200/ day I'm budgeting for Subic (separate from travel and accommodation budget) seems like it should allow me to fulfill that first condition. As for the second condition, I've no intention of being a dirt bag to anyone who doesn't deserve it. Also excited within reasonably tempered boundaries for Subic; it sounds like a sleepier Sosua.Sir my apology. I was only making fun of some previous class of travelers who pay big $$ for upper class flights and hotels to nickel and dime the wet and warm accommodations. You have a decent enough budget for AC and Subic to make everyone happy. Enjoy your trip and don't forget to take your breakfast sir.

P.s. You will hear a lot of "sir, did you take your breakfast?" Or a variety of that. It is merely a greeting or a "how are you?" Is how I translate it. No need to think they want to eat with you or looking for a meal based on that.

PS #2. With your budget and your newbie trip, I would avoid FL and any other "helpful" wanna be in your pocket people.

[Member #4698]

I'd say I'm looking for things / girls to do during the day, and the mall generally allows for both in a nice air-conditioned package. I've not been to AC, but after thorough yet ongoing RTFF, the $300/ day I'm budgeting for AC and the $200/ day I'm budgeting for Subic (separate from travel and accommodation budget) seems like it should allow me to fulfill that first condition. Your budget will be more than enough to ensure a real good time with top tier AC girls. Subic basically has only one tier of bar girl. Be sure to check out Grand Pharaoh. They have a very good line up, perhaps the best on Fields. These girls are not cheap, but well within your budget and IMHO well worth it.

The #1 thing I like to do in the afternoon is invite my favorite girl or girls over to my hotel for pool party, lunch, and afternoon shag. The girls love it and usually ask if it is ok to bring along a friend. I almost always stay at the Lewis Grand primarily because I like their big pool and patio, adjacent bar, and afternoon BBQ's by the pool. The ABC pool is too small and in shade the whole afternoon. It is not nearly as good. In fact it is terrible.

Same same in Subic. I like to stay at the Wild Orchid. They have a great pool next to a their restaurant bar. My girls love to spend an afternoon splashing around, laughing, drinking mango shakes, eating, and before we say goodbye, giving me a late afternoon shag. It's a way of life! LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

Also excited within reasonably tempered boundaries for Subic; it sounds like a sleepier Sosua.There is absolutely zero about Subic that reminds me of Sosua.

[Canute]

Sir my apology. I was only making fun of some previous class of travelers who pay big $$ for upper class flights and hotels to nickel and dime the wet and warm accommodations. You have a decent enough budget for AC and Subic to make everyone happy. Enjoy your trip and don't forget to take your breakfast sir.

P.s. You will hear a lot of "sir, did you take your breakfast?" Or a variety of that. It is merely a greeting or a "how are you?" Is how I translate it. No need to think they want to eat with you or looking for a meal based on that.

PS #2. With your budget and your newbie trip, I would avoid FL and any other "helpful" wanna be in your pocket people.I would gladly pay extra for sex with a retail sales person or waitress or college girl from the mall. There is something sexy about a female who has non pro job and I would feel special because I would probably be the only sex client for that evening. I am too nervous to approach a female in a mall, so a bar has to do. But maybe if I am lucky, a fellow monger would point out to a mall female who is p4 p. Absolutely no discounts or freebies.

[Sxxxx]

......... the $300/ day I'm budgeting for AC ............... I look for and get modestly priced $30 per day AC accommodation. Plus $270 per day for Restaurant, trikes, drinks, girls. $300 per day all up budget does the trick for me. Some people enjoy themselves spending less, some more, but the expression "its up to you" , on how much you spend is right. Great time on $300 , in my opinion.

[Robbaf]

There are cabs at the airport but I don't remember the fare.

.The fares are based on how much you will pay. I have heard anywhere from 300 P to 2000 P. I use my hotel and it is always 300 P.

[Dg8787]

I would gladly pay extra for sex with a retail sales person or waitress or college girl from the mall. There is something sexy about a female who has non pro job and I would feel special because I would probably be the only sex client for that evening. I am too nervous to approach a female in a mall, so a bar has to do. But maybe if I am lucky, a fellow monger would point out to a mall female who is p4 p. Absolutely no discounts or freebies.You should be afraid to come out and directly approach a girl / female working in a normal job. You can try a little flirting just like you would at home country to see if you get a favorable responses. I have seen a few dumbasses come right out and proposition a few girls working at the mall. The girls shocked and angry look should have told them enough but the dumbasses thought they were getting somewhere and really couldn't understand why they said no. There is a reason why they are working in the mall and not in the bar!

You might luck out if you build some rapport with them first and it is kinda like dating. Also if they are in a financial bind and know you then you might be able to. Most likely they will be too embarrass to take your number in front of co-workers.

[Hutsori]

Most likely they will be too embarrass to take your number in front of co-workers.Have some personal (and private) name cards made. Just basic info such as your mobile (you have a separate number from your real-life one, right?), toss-away email account address, and any other contact info that is completely separate from real-world personal and business info.

[Dg8787]

Have some personal (and private) name cards made. Just basic info such as your mobile (you have a separate number from your real-life one, right?), toss-away email account address, and any other contact info that is completely separate from real-world personal and business info.You can do that with a Philippines cell number. I have some I use with blank blank business name on it so it looks some what legit when I hand it to them and say something out loud like, "if you need or ever looking for blank here is my number". But frankly for me I really don't want to spend the time to pursue these normal working girls. I like the present pipeline from province to bar fresh inventory. It is efficient and sufficient for me.

[Engine Driver]

Snip. But frankly for me I really don't want to spend the time to pursue these normal working girls. I like the present pipeline from province to bar fresh inventory. It is efficient and sufficient for me.I see on DIA that there are hundreds of girls from AC looking for dates. Are these all semi-pros and pros or are some actually amateurs, like shy store clerks? (I know only a small minority in AC is involved in prostitution). Why would any Westerner go through the hassle of screening, culling and webcamming candidates from AC when there is so much fresh produce available from the bars? Presumably, if the webcam interview goes well, DIA girl goes to Mr Westerner's hotel on Fields Ave for the first meeting? Seems like an inefficient use of time while in AC.

[Mr Enternational]

I see on DIA that there are hundreds of girls from AC looking for dates. Are these all semi-pros and pros or are some actually amateurs, like shy store clerks? (I know only a small minority in AC is involved in prostitution).I would say 5/8 are bargirls loooking for customers and real dates, and 3/8 are regular chicks looking for real dates.

[X Man]

I found the Filipina forums to be much less productive in AC and Manila than other places. I would agree that it is an inefficient use of time if you have a short trip or it's a newbie trip.

Nevertheless, this is one more thing you can do in the daytime before most of the bars open. Buy a gal lunch! I've met several, and quite a few used to work in the bar. The ones who are working in a bar would have less time and energy to meet you anyway. I guess it would be an inefficient use of their time also.

I met one online gal who worked for one of the big AC hotels. I thought she'd be too much time and work, so I didn't make much effort. That was probably a mistake. The day of my flight out of AC, I got a text saying "I just got off work, can I come to your room?" Sometimes I think all the flying pheromones in Sin City have an affect on the regular gals.

I did meet an 18 yr old that was fresh and bubbly, but with bad complexion. After lunch she quickly agreed to go to my room where I feasted on her wonderfully juicy snatch. A classic butter face! She accepted payment, but I think she was pretty new at the p4 p business.

I also know a real stunner, ex-bar, who is on a website. I didn't meet her on the website, I met her at a go go. I'm guessing she has sponsors now. She still shags me when I'm in town, bless her heart. X Man.


I see on DIA that there are hundreds of girls from AC looking for dates. Are these all semi-pros and pros or are some actually amateurs, like shy store clerks? (I know only a small minority in AC is involved in prostitution). Why would any Westerner go through the hassle of screening, culling and webcamming candidates from AC when there is so much fresh produce available from the bars? Presumably, if the webcam interview goes well, DIA girl goes to Mr Westerner's hotel on Fields Ave for the first meeting? Seems like an inefficient use of time while in AC.

[WestCoast1]

My question is this: When I'm making bombing runs at the mall, should I casually slip into conversation where I'm staying? Probably not a good idea to make any bombing runs at either mall in AC. Its not that kind of place.


You should be afraid to come out and directly approach a girl / female working in a normal job. You can try a little flirting just like you would at home country to see if you get a favorable responses.

SNIP Most likely they will be too embarrass to take your number in front of co-workers.I'm with DG here. On occasion when I've seen gents (read: idiots) try that, the (somewhat mortified) look on the girl's face says it all (amazing the number of gents who can't take NO for an answer). Stick to dating sites and gogo bars. The SM mall is a pretty busy place, even from the time it opens about 10 am. A mall worker seen by her employer or other employees responding favorably to the romantic / sexual suggestions of a gringo could get "trouble my trabaho".

You'll have much better luck at malls in Manila or Cebu. In the province, it goes nowhere. Other gents weigh in here.

[Mr Enternational]

The problem is guys go to these places and think every girl is a hooker. There is a guy in another country's thread talking about offering a girl in an airport massage shop $150 for a BJ. Who does that? You already know where the hooker spots are. Stick to those. Sure it is okay to meet women other places on a normal bases, but don't go propositioning normal everyday people like you are at a hooker bar.

[Streetlooker]

The problem is guys go to these places and think every girl is a hooker. There is a guy in another country's thread talking about offering a girl in an airport massage shop $150 for a BJ. Who does that? You already know where the hooker spots are. Stick to those. Sure it is okay to meet women other places on a normal bases, but don't go propositioning normal everyday people like you are at a hooker bar.It really is amazing on how stupid some guys can get. I once saw a guy trying to proposition a girl on a jeepney. I am like dude how do you know she's game? And she didn; t look like she was happy about being embarrassed like that so I am thinking she was not game. Some guys just don't have any etiquette.

[Advantageous]

Wow, I feel as if reading just this page of comments will keep me from making 2-3 missteps on my trip. My Phils experience has literally never extended past visiting friends or my former employer's SEA office in Manila proper, where my bros would actively encourage game at Robinsons or w / e we ended up (maybe it looks less suspicious if you're a 20-something Black dude with 20-something darker-skinned Filipinos at the mall; I did have a girl ask my friend if I "at least spoke Taglish". Then again, one girl also asked if I was an African from Africa, so). Definitely good to learn now that that doesn't extend to every place in the PI.


Sir my apology. I was only making fun of some previous class of travelers who pay big $$ for upper class flights and hotels to nickel and dime the wet and warm accommodations. You have a decent enough budget for AC and Subic to make everyone happy. Enjoy your trip and don't forget to take your breakfast sir.
Your budget will be more than enough to ensure a real good time with top tier AC girls. Subic basically has only one tier of bar girl. Be sure to check out Grand Pharaoh. They have a very good line up, perhaps the best on Fields. These girls are not cheap, but well within your budget and IMHO well worth it.Glad to hear I didn't fudge that part. I try to aim for a comfortable budget on these sorts of things, but I usually have no idea how well I did until someone who has actually been to that place goes "sounds right". I know this post might read as sarcastic because there's no tone in a forum post, but you *legitimately* saved me more than a few instances of sitting in my room at 1 am going "Well, I spent xx on breakfast, I want to go to xx later tonight and at least do two EWRs, carry the 1."

I was split between Wild Orchid and Arizona; based on the reviews, I feel like I'd get drunk enough to never make it to the action if I was at WO, and the newly remodeled rooms at AZ sold me on the place.


There is absolutely zero about Subic that reminds me of Sosua.Well. Fuck. Is there an adequate comparison to another popular destination that Subic brings to mind?

Really though, thanks for the tips. This forum goes back crazy far (I'm in the 50's page wise and I don't think I've made it back to Winter 2014/15 yet), and I intend to glean as much information as I can over the next. Goddammit, there's only two weeks left.

[Member #4387]

You'll have much better luck at malls in Manila or Cebu. In the province, it goes nowhere. Other gents weigh in here.My exp are due from Manila and Manila only as I never been in a provincial phil mall. Luck or no luck dealing with mallworkers I don't know but I know my MO and I have a very modest approach and I am by far very direct in my approach. In most cases it is me doing my kind of windowshopping (meaning I browse for girls working in shops), when I see my victim I hit it up as in I ask them about something they sell in their shop. For informationgirls working counters and for the apartmentpushers same deal realy. Witty and nice approach, well groomed and no undecent language is a must as these girls are not pussyworkers. I find if u get them to laugh and smile things work my way from there(actually this is my MO globaly).
I have one recent girl from Rustans grocerie store. I was buying 3 btls of champagne, Jgermeister, Vodka, loads of beers etc etc. I saw one cute cashier waving me over to her free spot. She got big eyes when she saw all my partyequipment in my trolley. "Wow, lots of drinks. You have party" she asked. "Yes, tonight it is partytime" I answered. From there it was easy and when she asked if she could come I told her she could but our party would only last from when she finished and a couple of hours. I knew she could not be an overnighter (not pretty enough). I just tapped her number down in my phone (they are not allowed to use their phones while work) and simply texted her at closinghour. She stopped by for some drinks and a loop in the hay. Fun pick up.

[Blanquiceleste]

I have been to AC many times and never been able to spend less than $100 a day. What the heck do I know about being CC!

OTOH, what the heck do we care what someone spends?You are right DG. Not my monkey, not my circus. I should concentrate on what I do best.

[Fast Eddie 48]

The fares are based on how much you will pay. I have heard anywhere from 300 P to 2000 P. I use my hotel and it is always 300 P.To Robbaf.

There are Jeepney to Airport from the check point cost is 60 p to 100 p depend on how many people, the last time I took a taxi from field is 140 p most taxi want more than that from the airport most taxi cab want 200 p or more you can also caught a Jeepney but they don't go until they are full.

Fast eddie 48.

[Robbaf]

To Robbaf.

There are Jeepney to Airport from the check point cost is 60 p to 100 p depend on how many people, the last time I took a taxi from field is 140 p most taxi want more than that from the airport most taxi cab want 200 p or more you can also caught a Jeepney but they don't go until they are full.

Fast eddie 48.I know about the Jeepneys, but when I am on vacation, I don't want to waste time or my patience trying to deal with the BS of getting a ride out of the airport.

[Robbaf]

From Harry the Horse website.

Reader Submission 3 July 2015.

"Don't waste your money on bar girls" they said "Go to the mall and get some numbers of the good girls, they're gagging for it" they said hmmm Sounds too good to be true but worth a try right?

So after 2 very successful trips collecting numbers in SM I met this little shy cutie in Jollibee for my first non-bar related date. Everything went well for a first meeting and at the end of the date she asked if she could come back to my room to use Facebook. "Of course I said" my mind already jumping to much more exciting outcomes than social networking.

So we made our way out to the trikes and she kindly explained she would have to go and tell her mother where she was going and she would meet me at my room later, and off she went.

Many texts and a little while later she appeared at my door but she was not alone. She had brought a skinny, tattooed, rough looking girl friend along "for safety". No problem I said switching my mind from "sexy time" back to "gentleman" as I asked them in.

So for the next 30+ minutes they giggled and laughed taking pictures and scanning Facebook as I sat politely watching TV. Eventually I took an inevitable bathroom break and as I stepped out of the CR I caught her friend red handed stealing money out of a petty cash pot I keep on the kitchen bench. The pot holds nothing major maybe 600 php in change and small bills. But this abuse of my trust angered me and after a bunch of stuttered denials and excuses I asked them to leave.

At this point the skinny girl calmly walked over and sat on the end of my bed pulled out her mobile phone and said I need to give her them both 3000 php or she will call the police and say I raped them. I was stunned.

Fully flushed with anger now my first impulse was to launch at the skinny scumbag and throw her from my room. But then the reality of my situation dawned on me.

1. I'm in my room so they know where I live should they wish to hurt me at a later date.

2. Philippine police are notoriously unpredictable and corrupt so any involvement could end badly for me.

3. Looking at my date and how calm she is at this situation I see that this was her intention from the start.

Sh*t!

Ok damage control time I thought to myself. I walked over to the corner of my room where I had my GoPro charging and switched it on angling it on the shelf so it can record the room.

"Please leave as you can see I have just turned on my camera and I am recording you so the police or anyone else can see you are unharmed and are blackmailing me into giving you money" and so I went on clearly explaining the situation not to her but to the recording.

At this point I thought she would leave but of course she did not, too dumb to adapt to the changing situation of their plan.

"Ok I am calling the guard and he can deal with you".

She started to haggle "2000 php each. Ok 1500 php".

Now in hindsight I realize that I should have just kept my head down and just paid them especially once she dropped the demand. But I was enraged with anger and humiliation mentally restraining myself from getting physical.

The Guard arrived and I briefed him on the situation. He approached the girl and they started to argue in Tagalog.

"She's crazy" he said. "I think she's on drugs she just keeps saying you beat her and tried to force her. I asked her where are the marks but she won't answer".

My ex-date at this point is getting cold feet and is talking to her friend obviously saying they should leave. But she just sits there waving the phone at me saying she's going to call the police.

The guard turns to leave explaining that there is nothing he can do as she obviously wants to start a fight he will have to go get the police.

My heart sinks but ok what can I do.

"The police are coming all this has been recorded on camera you can see you have not been harmed in any way. This will not end well for you. Just please leave!" I say.

She screams incoherent threats back at me saying that I'm the one that's in trouble once the police get here.

My ex-date is now outside wide eyed looking in at her friend beckoning her to leave, but solidly she sits waving her phone at me.

I'm panicking now and visibly shaking as I really don't want to have to deal with the police. I start second guessing how useful my video will be. I crack and decide to pay her. The guard returns with 3 police officers in tow crap!

All hell breaks loose and she launches a verbal machine gun of Tagalog at the police pointing at herself, her friend and me.

Startled the police entering into a long discussion between the frantic girl and the guard, glancing at me from time to time.

I just stand there dumbly holding my camera awaiting the outcome.

Then it's all over. They grab the girl and drag her from the room so fast she never gets to take a step. They say nothing to me and only nod to the guard as they leave.

The guard explained that the police did not believe the girl and could see she was not harmed so they took her away. Who knows where? I don't care I was just relieved that ordeal had ended. I escorted the guard to the door thanking him and absent-mindedly handed the guard the girl's slipper, which had come off on her exit. He looked at it, then me and laughed and left.

I later gave the guard 1000 php in gratitude for his help.

" Go get a good girl" they said.

[Hutsori]

Then it's all over. They grab the girl and drag her from the room so fast she never gets to take a step. They say nothing to me and only nod to the guard as they leave.

Unexpected twist. How fortuitous. Interesting FR.

You can meet 'em in a mall, enjoy a coffee and a chat, and try to suss them out. Mental or not? Scam or not? Good or not? One really can never predict with certainty how a girl will reveal herself once she's in your place. It goes great every time and then you are blindsided. It's worth some thought planning a response if it ever happens. Me? I'd bargain the best deal possible to get them out of my place. I have no desire for a chat with the police.

Anyway, good thing there's those recently reported hidden cameras beside smoke alarms in Makati's Intercontinental hotel. "Let's watch the CCTV footage."

[Dg8787]

Unexpected twist. How fortuitous. Interesting FR.

You can meet 'em in a mall, enjoy a coffee and a chat, and try to suss them out. Mental or not? Scam or not? Good or not? One really can never predict with certainty how a girl will reveal herself once she's in your place. It goes great every time and then you are blindsided. It's worth some thought planning a response if it ever happens. Me? I'd bargain the best deal possible to get them out of my place. I have no desire for a chat with the police.

Anyway, good thing there's those recently reported hidden cameras beside smoke alarms in Makati's Intercontinental hotel. "Let's watch the CCTV footage."Generally the police would get a "mediator's fee" for resolving such matters and for facilitating the "resolution fee" into the proper hands.

If you save money with AC FL and "freebies", always set aside some of the savings into a separate (hush fund) insurance account. Then it won't be so bad when a claim is made. Just another hidden cost of doing business.

[Red Kilt]

I am sure someone reading this understands what the author is talking about.

http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/98759-dash-sas-prostitution-negotiable-affection?utm_content=bufferbf5db&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Canute]

I am sure someone reading this understands what the author is talking about.

http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/98759-dash-sas-prostitution-negotiable-affection?utm_content=bufferbf5db&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=bufferYes, I am widowed and traumatized in the sense, I am still depressed one year after my wife's death. This article is highlighting the very few bar girls who have skills to obtain lady drinks without being bar fined or fewer still who have foreign boy friends sending them a regular allowance. I am not interested in those girls at my visit to AC. Barfine and boom boom is what I want. Plenty of romantic opportunities here in the USA which I ignore because very few women come up to the exalted opinion I have of my wife. She was a good wife who has become a saint after her death.

Yet, I don't criticize those who have romantic involvements with the Pinays or are willing to send them allowances. It is their money and their romance. My money is for other things.

[Taucher1956]

Hi,

I will go for two days AC. How can I go the best way from Manila to AC and back?

Thanks for advice.

[Big Sabbal]

Is there any soapie massage parlours in Angelis city like we have in Bangkok / Pattaya? Any clues?

[Mr Enternational]

Is there any soapie massage parlours in Angelis city like we have in Bangkok / Pattaya? Any clues?No, but if there were you couldn't have sex at them anyway. The on-premise sex thing that was pretty much only on Blow Row in AC has been extinguished.

[Dg8787]

Hi,

I will go for two days AC. How can I go the best way from Manila to AC and back?

Thanks for advice.There are many ways!

Non-air con bus.

Air-con bus.

Small vans.

Big vans.

S agman van.

Something cross bus.

Rip your azz airport limo.

Rip your azz airport taxi.

Not so bad hotel car.

Pre-arranged car service.

Jeepney with many transfers.

Many posting about travel methods. It is a shame the high speed rail service will not be opened by then. There are transportation tickets sales people as you exit the baggage area from the airport. Just tell them you want to go to AC.

[Golfinho]

Yes, I am widowed and traumatized in the sense, I am still depressed one year after my wife's death. She was a good wife who has become a saint after her death.To get past this, rule of thumb is it takes one month for each year you were together. Maybe longer if sainthood involved. Don't rush it by rushing into bar girls with expectation of something other than the simple transaction.