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Robbaf
09-09-15, 01:11
I will be soon going on my 1st trip to AC. Will be staying at ABC. Can any veteran member kindly please any web resource where I can check a calendar of events. For ex. Tue at 9 pm there's a Brazilian thong show at Atlantis. I'd be interested in body paint shows that I have never seen. Your help is appreciated.When you arrive, go down to walking street and in most bars, in the bathrooms, they have the posters for upcoming events. If you give me day of week, I can help you for the first event.

Robb.

Pip Jaeger
09-09-15, 02:19
They had that back in the '70's. A couple hundred people on American flight 191 got a great view of the ground coming up.Pretty cold hearted statement. A lot of us on this board remember that crash with horror; some, like me, may even have had family on board. You should consider asking Jackson to redact your post.

GoodEnough
09-09-15, 07:53
When you arrive, go down to walking street and in most bars, in the bathrooms, they have the posters for upcoming events. If you give me day of week, I can help you for the first event.

Robb.A good suggestion. As an alternative, you could just ask any of the waitresses at the pool bar at ABC and they would likely know, as would the expats at the bar who have been there for a couple of days or more.

GE.

VeniceBoy72
09-09-15, 08:02
The new wing of the iconic America Hotel is open. I looked at a room and was surprised to find it was spacious and had a very large bed. Prices were just over 2000, but this may be a soft opening price. The old wing has been gutted which means no pool for a while. What was the lobby is now a large and nice looking Chinese restaurant. Maybe too large. I can't imagine going in there with a date and feeling comfortable. Maybe it was designed with a tour bus full of East Asians in mind. Has anyone eaten there?

My apologies, I just realized this post would be better in the AC hotels thread.Food was OK, nothing that great. I've stayed at Hotel America several times over the last month. I like that the check in guaranteed 24 hours so if I get there at 7 PM at night, my checkout is 7 PM the next day. Allows me time for afternoon fun with Perimeter take out without having to find another short time hotel. Their check in comes with breakfast, but only for 1 person which doesn't make any sense.

Pip Jaeger
09-10-15, 00:25
I've stayed at Hotel America several times over the last month. SNIP Their check in comes with breakfast, but only for 1 person which doesn't make any sense.It does make sense if the room was booked for 1 pax only. Next time you book (online?) make sure you book for 2 pax, then I would imagine breakfast for 2 will be included; otherwise it would then make no sense, LOL.

Mbsl65
09-10-15, 00:51
It does make sense if the room was booked for 1 pax only. Next time you book (online?) make sure you book for 2 pax, then I would imagine breakfast for 2 will be included; otherwise it would then make no sense, LOL.Some hotels make you pay for the second person if you did not register the individual. It happened to me several times. I prefer to pay than registering them.

Stroker Ace88
09-14-15, 03:32
Interesting, isn't it that San Miguel Corporation approached the current government with a fully developed plan to construct a new, modern airport at its own expense, and had selected and surveyed an appropriate location. This was about 3 years ago and ostensibly the useless politicians have been "studying" the proposal ever since. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NEDA has announced that it is "studying" alternatives for NAIA which, as all sentient creatures know, can't be improved to acceptable standards given the impossibility of expanding its size. Hopefully, the next President, who is likely to be more intelligent than the current one, will disinter the San Mig proposal and decide to move the country into 21st Century air transport modernity. Until then, forget about accommodating the A 380 anywhere in this country. I'm guessing that the real reasons local pols hate private public partnerships is that there's no way for the, to dip their hands into the till.

GE.The discussion started because the head of San Miguel Ramon Ang, which was a minority share holder in PAL, pressed Malacanang about building a new Manila International airport over the reclaimed seabed somewhere around Manila Bay. The discussions abruptly ended once Lucio Tan bought back the shares.

Stroker Ace88
09-14-15, 03:54
Says a lot about your intelligence to judge someone's experience in a PI by the amount posts they have. Just because I am new to this forum has no correlation with my longevity or experience in Philippines. I wonder what I would I need to do to prove to you and your illogical brethren; show you my flip driver license? Show you the titles on the various properties I own? The vehicle registrations from the LTO?

This is the same guy who uses dog collars on Filipinas while sodomizing them bareback. I wonder how do you politely ask them to do this? GE is just illogical. You are hypocritical and illogical.DK,

You used to post newspaper articles on the Cebu section ad nauseum instead of field reports. Once challenged I think it was clear to all, that you had never actually visited Cebu, let alone the Philippines.

BTW, since you state you have multiple properties, own multiple vehicles, and have many years under your belt in the RP, it would not be a terrible inconvenience to meet up, correct?

I will come to your city to make it easier. Now where is it you have these multiple properties? {insert eye-rolling smiley here} .

Wicked Roger
09-14-15, 07:25
DK,


BTW, since you state you have multiple properties, own multiple vehicles, and have many years under your belt in the RP, it would not be a terrible inconvenience to meet up, correct?

I will come to your city to make it easier. Now where is it you have these multiple properties? {insert eye-rolling smiley here} .I will join you SA so DK let us know by FR on the open forum or PM and we can come and visit have a chat and beer and clear up all these silly misunderstanding DJ Ba?

BrainDrain
09-17-15, 09:14
There really are so many sex fun things to do in AC. In my few days there:

Thursday night: Orgy with two girls and a mate. Crazy stuff. We carefully chose and interviewed the girls, no alcohol on our part, it was all business with the end in mind.

Friday morning: Random wechat offer of a massage. P1,500 all inclusive. Nice girl but just not enthusiastic.

Friday night: Ponytails. Closing time pickup of a lovely girl but she would not barfine. Even if I paid, she would only come as long as there was no sex. I agreed and paid. Better to sleep with a cute pinay and than sleep alone. Once we were out of the bar, the pretence soon changed, she explained that her boyfriend doesn; t like her to barfine so she doesn't. She just goes home with guys for extra cash. Semantics for which she can honestly say she did not get barfined last night.

Saturday morning: Outside date of MP girl. Quiet and loving shy girl from local massage place had some needs out side of work.

Monday night: Down and out without cash. I headed up to Walking St with P1000 and my ATM card. Met a wechat prospect, she was too thin, unhealthy thin and not much personality so I let her go. Gave her some P200 for travel plus a drink each I was down to P600. Tried to withdraw cash but ATM card was declined over and over. I needed to keep P100 for the trike going home. Not going to get much fun in a AC bar with P500. That left me to rely on what very little game I have and checked out Skytrax, dead. Hi-So was pretty dead as well but a growing imbalance of local girls and visiting men. Wasn't long before I was invited to join a group of three girls, drunk girl all flirtry, some dance and then she wants to go home with me. I'm not that pretty! Anyway didn't need to buy her a drink, so my only cost here was P120 for my rum and coke. Happy days as she was hoping for some generosity next morning. She was a complete gem and loved to swallow cum. Three shags in 6 hours. Got some money sorted out next morning and gave her something for her family. She was happy and came back the next night.

Sunday was a day of rest from what I recall. I think I had a straight massage and an early night.

Fitted in some prospective interviews with rather shy girls from TAgged. Quick coffees but no immediate action.

During those nights I did try and double back over a few of the girls but they are hard to catch a second time. I've put that into my strategy nit to bother calling into their bar to barfine them again. They can come again if they have committed before they leave the first time.

While I did have good experiences in Manila, the availability and variety on offer in AC is just astounding.

My new strategy is not to bother following up these girls for my next trip. I'll just start fresh each trip.

Until next time.

BD.

Mr Enternational
09-17-15, 10:49
My new strategy is not to bother following up these girls for my next trip. I'll just start fresh each trip.Great report. To me that is what mongering is all about. New girls and new experiences. If I wanted to call on the same girl I would just get a girlfriend.

BennLee
09-17-15, 12:13
I am in Korea and want to visit Thailand or Philippines for some fun, not so much interested in nature, beaches etc. I am interested in walking in sexy and crowded streets and in the end to have A sexy massage. I am not sure which country to visit, can some one help me. Also price matter.

Salvatore X
09-17-15, 12:13
Hello to all,

Voglio I tell you what happened to me and this year after after a second I spent the holidays in the Philippines. I alternated and that Philippines the last two years. L last year.

I've been to Palawan and bohol (panglao) and as places are nice but "game" little. This year I changed and.

I tried to go straight to the point going to Angeles. La first 2 nights I picked up in bars and 3000 pesos in evening.

(About 60 euro) in chick I spent the night with chicks are not very partecipi. La third evening I tried to go to high society, the first girl that I look I approach but to me none of it, never mind another makes me a beautiful smile and I pay a drink. Con 2,000 pesos contract and says he is with me, tells me that it's called Evelyn, we go out, we take the.

Trike and come to the hotel. When we are in the room tells me you take a shower, go out and say that I too have to do it, and to me that's a nice bene. Facciamo fucked as it should and after that I have to post. Passano 20 minutes and she says she wants to get away from the heat because I also I forgot to ask all night! A bit annoyed I give 2,000 pesos pattuiti. E goes tranquil. Adesso begins the problem! Just 10 minutes out and I hear a knock the door and say I pulis sleepy believing that it is cleaning the room the answer later but later they knock even more prepotentemente. Mi get up go to open and I hit enter 3 people.

1 with.

The radio and say they are police. I do not understand the why of everything. I say control, I aware of being ok I have no fear I look in the suitcase and backpack no problem but when one controls the jeans pocket pulls out a envelope and exclaims.

Ice crystal ice crystal I am shocked not knowing how the origin. While communicating via radio, they ask me the passport, cell phone and wallet with money and credit cards I'm still petrified when scendamo!

They say something to the front desk that I do not mean.

Not knowing the tagallo. Fuori there a car with tinted windows waiting for me, within 2 behind in their midst and lead.

There one uniformed. Not know tell you if the journey time to 20 minutes or 1 hour.

As confuse. E kept telling me tomorrow write tomorrow write arrival at a police station that I later learned his name camp olivas. Mi lead.

Inside a room.

40 people in 30 square meters and the toilet 1 hole in the corner! I have yet to resume. And think like us and finished shabu inside my jeans? The unique and was the girl in the shower. I have no other explanation. Spend several hours.

And I hear my name called crippled from outside of the cell I get close and make me out. I accompany another room and ask me where I got it? I say that I do not use and only explanation and the girl who did me the Mass. The inspector there crede. Io continuous insistence. Che and was the girl.

But he and adamant. And tells me to write.

The minutes as I have found in possession of droga. Ma tells me that before.

Write the minutes you can reach a compromise.

250000 P.S (5000 eurini)! I reply that I want to speak to my embassy and. . I repeat that I can call my embassy.

But he soon transcribe. In those moments you decide to pay for everything. Opt out and not call. But I in cash I "only" 3000 euro.

In the safe of the hotel. So they decided to take me to the hotel and then.

Take me to the bank of the mall next to the fields that once Restitutus passport and.

Credit card can get me at the counter the missing digit. I just go out.

Promptly I extend to them that waited outside banca. Mi reported in hotels and on the way I said go away by Angeles. What I do as fast as possible. So that I go to Manila and take a flight to BKK and decide to finish.

The my holidays disappointed, thinking still to accaduto. Qualcuno criticize me because I opted to pay. But and easy to talk behind a keyboard. You have to be in the middle to understand.

WestCoast1
09-17-15, 13:57
I am in Korea and want to visit Thailand or Philippines for some fun, not so much interested in nature, beaches etc. I am interested in walking in sexy and crowded streets and in the end to have A sexy massage. I am not sure which country to visit, can some one help me. Also price matter.Benn: Can you give us a price range you'd like to pay, for ST and LT?

Dark Knight1
09-17-15, 15:17
DK,

You used to post newspaper articles on the Cebu section ad nauseum instead of field reports. Once challenged I think it was clear to all, that you had never actually visited Cebu, let alone the Philippines.

BTW, since you state you have multiple properties, own multiple vehicles, and have many years under your belt in the RP, it would not be a terrible inconvenience to meet up, correct?

I will come to your city to make it easier. Now where is it you have these multiple properties? {insert eye-rolling smiley here} .To be fair I have only been to Cebu once. I stayed at the Marriott across from the Ayala Mall. So what if I post newspaper articles that are pertaining to the Philippines that I think others might find interesting; what is the crime? I really don't know how you guys assume someone has never been to the Philippines without a shred of proof either way. You think I would meet up with you or one of the other low lives here in person or post some personal things which would reveal my identity just to prove to a low life such yourself that I actually been there? I find hard to believe someone actually hires you guys to do a job with the intelligence being displayed here.

Dark Knight1
09-17-15, 15:33
I will join you SA so DK let us know by FR on the open forum or PM and we can come and visit have a chat and beer and clear up all these silly misunderstanding DJ Ba?I have met many members of this forum over the years from the Middle East, Asia and Europe. I have not been impressed with any of them that I have came across. They have all displayed the same qualities. Narcissism, racism, low intelligence (like accusing someone of never visited a place based off their reports on a forum) and other personality disorders.

Thanks for the offer but no thanks. Mongering is hobby best done in the shadows.

Amjeck
09-17-15, 16:00
Promptly I extend to them that waited outside banca. Mi reported in hotels and on the way I said go away by Angeles. What I do as fast as possible. So that I go to Manila and take a flight to BKK and decide to finish.

The my holidays disappointed, thinking still to accaduto. Qualcuno criticize me because I opted to pay. But and easy to talk behind a keyboard. You have to be in the middle to understand.So how much did this cost you?

There are so many scams in PI. Newbies beware!

ThatGuy865
09-18-15, 00:39
The radio and say they are police. I do not understand the why of everything. I say control, I aware of being ok I have no fear I look in the suitcase and backpack no problem but when one controls the jeans pocket pulls out a envelope and exclaims.

Ice crystal ice crystal I am shocked not knowing how the origin. While communicating via radio, they ask me the passport, cell phone and wallet with money and credit cards I'm still petrified when scendamo!

They say something to the front desk that I do not mean.

Not knowing the tagallo. Fuori there a car with tinted windows waiting for me, within 2 behind in their midst and lead.

There one uniformed. Not know tell you if the journey time to 20 minutes or 1 hour.

As confuse. E kept telling me tomorrow write tomorrow write arrival at a police station that I later learned his name camp olivas. Mi lead.

Inside a room.

40 people in 30 square meters and the toilet 1 hole in the corner! I have yet to resume. And think like us and finished shabu inside my jeans? The unique and was the girl in the shower. I have no other explanation. Spend several hours...This is the very reason so many say. Don't do FL's in Angeles and stick to the Bars. But few listen. This happens more than most know. I'm sure there will be those that say they do FL's and nothing has ever happened. But its like smoking cigarettes. Sure there are people who smoke and don't get cancer and live a long life. But do you want or need to take the risk. You are just one among many. Maybe someone will learn from your post.

Chocha Monger
09-18-15, 00:56
The monger caught in the planted crystal meth scam paid the freelancer 2,000 PHP for short time. Then he paid the crooked cops 5,000 Euro (about 265,470 PHP at today's exchange rate). In other words, it cost him about 90 LT bar fines from Fields bars or 133 LT bar fines from Perimeter bars.

Meeting a freelance hooker in the Philippines and taking her back to your regular hotel room is just as risky as inviting your friendly Filipino Viagra salesman to hang out in your place while you go take a shower because you spoke to him for a little while and he seems like a nice guy. Having a pussy does not make a Filipina any less dangerous, corrupted, scheming and conniving than a Filipino. Yet, many mongers will avoid strange Filipino guys like the plague while letting some Filipina they just met go to their hotel or condo without even looking in her purse or keeping their eyes on her at all times. I don't know why anyone would think they can trust a Filipina more than a Filipino. Gender does not exempt them from the high level of corruption targeting foreigners in the Philippines.

Any foreigner can fall victim to scams. It just takes a few seconds to miss something or make a bad decision. However, a short time hotel and leaving at the same time as the street meat could save a monger a whole lot of money and regret. After all, 400 pesos is a lot less than 265,470 pesos!

Robbaf
09-18-15, 01:23
Hello to all,

Voglio I tell you what happened to me and this year after after a second I spent the holidays in the Philippines. I alternated and that Philippines the last two years. L last year.

I've been to Palawan and bohol (panglao) and as places are nice but "game" little. This year I changed and.

I tried to go straight to the point going to Angeles. La first 2 nights I picked up in bars and 3000 pesos in evening. You have to be in the middle to understand.Please share hotel name.

BrainDrain
09-18-15, 01:35
Voglio I tell you what happened to me and this year after after a second I spent the holidays in the Philippines. I alternated and that Philippines the last two years. L last year.Sounds like quite an organised system. Can I ask you about the situation with the girl? DId she talk at all or keen to leave straight away?

WHen picking up any girl, I try and keep my room bargirl friendly.

What night of the week, what shape of the girl etc? And what hotel? They didn't support you?

X Man
09-18-15, 01:37
Well that's odd. I've met many members as well, mostly from the PI forums. All of been relatively successful, interesting and educated people. DK, read your message again and then go look in the mirror.


I have met many members of this forum over the years from the Middle East, Asia and Europe. I have not been impressed with any of them that I have came across. They have all displayed the same qualities. Narcissism, racism, low intelligence (like accusing someone of never visited a place based off their reports on a forum) and other personality disorders.

Thanks for the offer but no thanks. Mongering is hobby best done in the shadows.

Fastpiston
09-18-15, 02:23
I am in Korea and want to visit Thailand or Philippines for some fun, not so much interested in nature, beaches etc. I am interested in walking in sexy and crowded streets and in the end to have A sexy massage. I am not sure which country to visit, can some one help me. Also price matter.Look at the manual and Switch On your computer.

Access internationalsexguide.

Use your mouse and click Philippines. Click and scroll through the posts.

Use your mouse and click Thailand. Click and scroll through the posts.

Look at the manual and Switch Off your computer.

Hutsori
09-18-15, 03:33
I am in Korea [...] I am interested in walking in sexy and crowded streets and in the end to have A sexy massage.Plenty of crowded streets in Korea's large cities. Personally I wouldn't consider a street 'sexy' but, hey, thinking about it now I believe cracked tarmacadam, blackened gum blemishes on the pavement, puke puddles, and assorted rubbish piles do have their charm. Korea's nature isn't much, neither remarkable nor dreadful, but certainly the beaches are crap. Plenty of 'Sports Massage' places in Korea will treat you OK after your stroll in the crowded, sexy street: "You hurry. Cum!" Seems like you're in your paradise presently; save yourself $1500-2000 by staying there.

Or go to Pattaya's Walking Street.

Wicked Roger
09-18-15, 03:36
I have met many members of this forum over the years from the Middle East, Asia and Europe. I have not been impressed with any of them that I have came across. They have all displayed the same qualities. Narcissism, racism, low intelligence (like accusing someone of never visited a place based off their reports on a forum) and other personality disorders.

Thanks for the offer but no thanks. Mongering is hobby best done in the shadows.Odd FR I agree XMan.

I met many member including you and none are anything like that described by DK.

Methinks DK has never been here and uses that as an excuse to duck out of a meeting where SA and I would fly to so we can meet him. Trust me DK I am one of the above as though who have met me will (hopefully) agree. Kinky yes, low intelligence / racist no!

You are called out as all you post are old articles always negative e with negative comments and no real FR showing that you stayed in Cebu, the Marriott etc. All you say can be easily gleaned via the board or Google hence our 'suspicious' nature.

But odd last comment, if mongering is done alone ten how come you have meet many members?

XMan. Cebu soon, maybe we ca find the Marriott? LOL.

BrainDrain
09-18-15, 08:07
Meeting a freelance hooker in the Philippines and taking her back to your regular hotel room is just as risky as inviting your friendly Filipino Viagra salesman to hang out in your place while you go take a shower because you spoke to him for a little while and he seems like a nice guy. Having a pussy does not make a Filipina any less dangerous, corrupted, scheming and conniving than a Filipino. Yet, many mongers will avoid strange Filipino guys like the plague while letting some Filipina they just met go to their hotel or condo without even looking in her purse or keeping their eyes on her at all times. I don't know why anyone would think they can trust a Filipina more than a Filipino. Gender does not exempt them from the high level of corruption targeting foreigners in the Philippines.
Your comment got me interested and I started thinking why I haven't been scammed yet. ONe of the techniques I employ is the patient, conversational approach, looking for signs of eagerness of her part. So, if she's in a hurry that doesn't make sense to me. They will move onto easier pray I guess.

I'm also thinking that AC really is quite a small place. While s varuous mongers rotate in and out each few days, the established cons and dodgy locals soon get know. I would have hoped that the Hi-So security might have weeded them out.

Mbsl65
09-18-15, 08:14
To be fair I have only been to Cebu once. I stayed at the Marriott across from the Ayala Mall. So what if I post newspaper articles that are pertaining to the Philippines that I think others might find interesting; what is the crime? I really don't know how you guys assume someone has never been to the Philippines without a shred of proof either way. You think I would meet up with you or one of the other low lives here in person or post some personal things which would reveal my identity just to prove to a low life such yourself that I actually been there? I find hard to believe someone actually hires you guys to do a job with the intelligence being displayed here.Let me help you out. Marriott Hotel is part of Ayala Mall complex and it is not cross the street.

BennLee
09-18-15, 11:11
I asked for help in selecting between Philippine and Thailand. At Hutsori spit some words which I don't understand. I been offered ticket to both in 250 dollar range return. Visa price is also same. I am very stubborn in selecting girls. I can get sexy Korean massage for 70 dollar at Korean massage parlors, and Korean are bit beautiful as well compare to Thai and Phip (respect all). II am planing to spend around 250 dollar in these countries in 4 days.

Ikksman
09-18-15, 14:14
Let me help you out. Marriott Hotel is part of Ayala Mall complex and it is not cross the street.To be fair, depending when DK1 visited Cebu, the Marriott Hotel could have been described as "across from the Ayala Mall", as my photo taken from the Marriott Hotel shows (taken in 2005). He never wrote that it was across the street. I am aware that the space between the hotel and the mall has been largely built over now.

However, I do find DK1's arguments mostly weak and lacking rational thinking.

Ikksman.

Sam 14
09-18-15, 16:37
At BennLee. Hutsori was being sarcastic and humorous. And helpful, because he offered you the perfect solution. I think he is right, Walking Street Pattaya is charming. It's generally crowded and could be considered sexy, and will be the easiest for you. USD 250 is 12,400 baht. Divide that by 4 days and you get to blow over 3,000 a day. Soi 6 will get you a massage, blow job, and a shag for 1,000. You can get a room right there, or anywhere close, for 700. I don't know what that leaves, but it's enough. That's your best bet I think. Then go to AC next time.

ThatGuy865
09-19-15, 03:50
Sounds like quite an organised system. Can I ask you about the situation with the girl? DId she talk at all or keen to leave straight away?

WHen picking up any girl, I try and keep my room bargirl friendly.

What night of the week, what shape of the girl etc? And what hotel? They didn't support you?Would you really expect some hotel desk clerk would stay up to what they perceive to be Police Authority or to even question whether they be or not. This is not a western country. What type of support would you expect from a hotel concerning someone accused of having drugs. Tourist do buy drugs. So what would you expect the hotel to do. They didn't ask for money until he was in the Jail. And they don't know why or what they are bringing him back to the room for. As far as AC being small or HiSo. Just like him most guys scammed catch the next plane flying. So the girls are not exposed. HiSo doesn't know this guys was scammed nor the girl that scammed him. No one does and I doubt she gave him her real name. So just as in his situation the girls is left to take on her next victim in HiSo. As you read this. There may a guy on a plane back home several thousand short, no pussy, scared and never to return to AC. That why guys warn about FLers. Those that scam only retire they rarely get caught or exposed.

Mbsl65
09-19-15, 05:20
The issue is in 2005 or 2015, there was no street between two properties and still there is none. Marriott hotel is a franchise operation and operated by Ayala properties and it is part of the mall complex.


To be fair, depending when DK1 visited Cebu, the Marriott Hotel could have been described as "across from the Ayala Mall", as my photo taken from the Marriott Hotel shows (taken in 2005). He never wrote that it was across the street. I am aware that the space between the hotel and the mall has been largely built over now.

However, I do find DK1's arguments mostly weak and lacking rational thinking.

Ikksman.

Hutsori
09-19-15, 06:52
I am planing to spend around 250 dollar in these countries in 4 days.Is that including hotel, food, transport, and other non-P4P costs? If so, $62.50 per day is a very tight budget. Even a cheap guesthouse at $20 per night will consume approx. 1/3rd your budget. But Sam is right, it is doable. It'll be like going to Disneyland and only enjoying one ride and a corn dog; yours will be a Dismal-land adventure. You'll have a lot of time to kill. Pack a book.

On the bright side Pattaya's beach sucks.

Engine Driver
09-19-15, 07:08
I am in Korea and want to visit Thailand or Philippines for some fun, not so much interested in nature, beaches etc. I am interested in walking in sexy and crowded streets and in the end to have A sexy massage. I am not sure which country to visit, can some one help me. Also price matter.I think you can definitely call Walking Street, Angeles City a "sexy street". There are lots of youtube videos of Walking Street, so you can see for yourself. There are plenty of hot girls walking the street and plenty of "door girls" at the entrance to clubs. At the entrance to walking street, you will find a lot of pretty girls in nurses uniforms offering you a sexy massage.

Many of the clubs in Angeles are owned by Koreans and you will feel very comfortable there. Also, it is a bit cheaper than Thailand.

Engine Driver
09-19-15, 07:30
. II am planing to spend around 250 dollar in these countries in 4 days.As Hutsori has pointed out, your budget is probably too low to have any fun. From your $62.50/ day budget, you might not be even be able to afford a Jolibee dinner! Eating local meals from the street cart might cost you $2, but you might be sick for the rest of the week. I'm also told that local delicacies like balut from the street cart will need a strong stomach to keep down.

If you go to a bar on Walking Street, buy a drink, then buy a lady drink and bar fine a girl for all night, your minimum outlay (not including tip) is going to be around $85.

Red Dogger
09-19-15, 09:51
Meeting a freelance hooker in the Philippines and taking her back to your regular hotel room is just as risky as inviting your friendly Filipino Viagra salesman to hang out in your place while you go take a shower because you spoke to him for a little while and he seems like a nice guy. Having a pussy does not make a Filipina any less dangerous, corrupted, scheming and conniving than a Filipino. Yet, many mongers will avoid strange Filipino guys like the plague while letting some Filipina they just met go to their hotel or condo without even looking in her purse or keeping their eyes on her at all times. Never had a problem. Maybe I always select nice girls.

Member #4410
09-19-15, 10:57
To be fair I have only been to Cebu once. I stayed at the Marriott across from the Ayala Mall. So what if I post newspaper articles that are pertaining to the Philippines that I think others might find interesting; what is the crime? I really don't know how you guys assume someone has never been to the Philippines without a shred of proof either way. You think I would meet up with you or one of the other low lives here in person or post some personal things which would reveal my identity just to prove to a low life such yourself that I actually been there? I find hard to believe someone actually hires you guys to do a job with the intelligence being displayed here.Why the hysteric reaction to a simple request? You sound like Fast Eddie who also went into full-attack mode when questioned about his "travels".

Sammon
09-19-15, 14:24
Never had a problem. Maybe I always select nice girls.Anybody can be a victim of scam anywhere. It is very difficult to know who is good and who is not. Having been with street hookers to dating site girls most of the time it is safe. Avoid street mamasans, street pimps. Direct contact with girls is better. Lots of us make mistakes by blindly getting into the sack with strange girls without any analysis talk. Generally if you sit and have a talk you can get a feel and you can straight away ask the girl saying you do not want any trouble. Most Phi girls are honest. I never had a problem as well " knock on wood ".

X Man
09-19-15, 15:51
Agreed. Unfortunately, the person you quoted still is missing the point. Sometimes it's difficult to proofread your own writing.


To be fair, depending when DK1 visited Cebu, the Marriott Hotel could have been described as "across from the Ayala Mall", as my photo taken from the Marriott Hotel shows (taken in 2005). He never wrote that it was across the street. I am aware that the space between the hotel and the mall has been largely built over now.

However, I do find DK1's arguments mostly weak and lacking rational thinking.

Ikksman.

Sammon
09-19-15, 15:57
Anybody can be a victim of scam anywhere. It is very difficult to know who is good and who is not. Having been with street hookers to dating site girls most of the time it is safe. Avoid street mamasans, street pimps. Direct contact with girls is better. Lots of us make mistakes by blindly getting into the sack with strange girls without any analysis talk. Generally if you sit and have a talk you can get a feel and you can straight away ask the girl saying you do not want any trouble. Most Phi girls are honest. I never had a problem as well " knock on wood ".One more important thing I forgot to add is do not show your wealth. Do not promise out of the ordinary amounts to the pick up. In other words behave like a poor guy out for some fun. Believe me nobody is interested in scamming a poor guy.

BrainDrain
09-20-15, 02:25
Would you really expect some hotel desk clerk would stay up to what they perceive to be Police Authority.Well first up they know they are not the police with a legitimate raid. I think I've already published how this can be determined by the types of vehicles that are being used.

I would be stopping by at the front desk to note down the details of whom is involved and where I was being taken. I would be asking to leave a number of where I can be contacted.

Maybe I'm paranoid having just pulled a freebie from Hi-So last Monday night.

I just think that a girl that is on a scam would have different body language and different verbal language.

When I say that AC is a small place, people know people, people gossip, the family connections are broad (with 7 siblings = 64 aunts & uncles + friends of friends) it doesn't take long for the 12,000 registered bar girls to know what is going on. I've seen it in the faces of the hotel staff as my latest girl turns out to be the sister-in-law of the doorman or the front office staff.

But, it is a good reminder to always be on your guard. RP can be a dangerous place.

BD.

Dark Knight1
09-20-15, 04:00
Well first up they know they are not the police with a legitimate raid. I think I've already published how this can be determined by the types of vehicles that are being used.

I would be stopping by at the front desk to note down the details of whom is involved and where I was being taken. I would be asking to leave a number of where I can be contacted.

Maybe I'm paranoid having just pulled a freebie from Hi-So last Monday night.

I just think that a girl that is on a scam would have different body language and different verbal language.

When I say that AC is a small place, people know people, people gossip, the family connections are broad (with 7 siblings = 64 aunts & uncles + friends of friends) it doesn't take long for the 12,000 registered bar girls to know what is going on. I've seen it in the faces of the hotel staff as my latest girl turns out to be the sister-in-law of the doorman or the front office staff.

But, it is a good reminder to always be on your guard. RP can be a dangerous place.

BD.I have had the front desk of 5 star hotels in Manila tell girls that wondered in off the street or called that yes I was staying there at the time they inquired. Front desk hotel resident confidentiality is not taught or practiced in the Philippines as it is in the West. I suspect when wanton women inquire about our whereabouts they know what's going and seem to take pride in our misery. As for the front desk protecting mongers from an extortion scam forget about it. They stick together on lot of issues including murder.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671248/us-marine-slay-case-osg-hits-makati-judge-who-let-convicts-wander-free

Wicked Roger
09-20-15, 11:05
I have had the front desk of 5 star hotels in Manila tell girls that wondered in off the street or called that yes I was staying there at the time they inquired. Front desk hotel resident confidentiality is not taught or practiced in the Philippines as it is in the West. I suspect when wanton women inquire about our whereabouts they know what's going and seem to take pride in our misery. As for the front desk protecting mongers from an extortion scam forget about it. They stick together on lot of issues including murder.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671248/us-marine-slay-case-osg-hits-makati-judge-who-let-convicts-wander-freeSuggest you avoid the country as you clearly have issues ad challenges everywhere, as ever in all my years of being I the country ahs any front desk person or concierge etc told anyone that I was saying there etc. You tales of woe plus the very old links to very old news stories suggest you don't like the country and are hell bent on sharing that view in the hope that others join the club.

As for the link. This was Feb 2015. There have been later FRs on the US Ambassador comments in the new channel, so really you back to what SA said you did. Post old links of always negative news on the Philippines.

Pantot
09-20-15, 13:51
When I say that AC is a small place, people know people, people gossip, the family connections are broad (with 7 siblings = 64 aunts & uncles + friends of friends) it doesn't take long for the 12,000 registered bar girls to know what is going on. I've seen it in the faces of the hotel staff as my latest girl turns out to be the sister-in-law of the doorman or the front office staff.
In Angeles city I avoid those situations entirely because of my personal preferences. I always asked the girls in the bar what is thier province. If they say Pampanga that means they have local roots and are too schooled in the game from birth there that it is never much of a GFE so I avoid them.

If you stick with girls newly arrived from the farther flung Visayas you will have a much better experience in my opinion. I always ask exactly where they are from, what brought them to Angeles, what relatives they have that work in the bar, if any, who they live with etc. The simple province girls there less than 3 months enjoy this line of conversation and pose zero threat.

I suppose if ones preference is more worldy glamor type pro lady then you would be more at risk. My personal taste leaning towards the simple shy girl next door type who just arrived, and they are bountiful everywhere in AC bars, helps me avoid those problems.

Robbaf
09-21-15, 01:29
I have had the front desk of 5 star hotels in Manila tell girls that wondered in off the street or called that yes I was staying there at the time they inquired. Front desk hotel resident confidentiality is not taught or practiced in the Philippines as it is in the West. I suspect when wanton women inquire about our whereabouts they know what's going and seem to take pride in our misery. As for the front desk protecting mongers from an extortion scam forget about it. They stick together on lot of issues including murder.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671248/us-marine-slay-case-osg-hits-makati-judge-who-let-convicts-wander-freeI lived in the Diamond hotel for six months and I had someone come to the hotel asking for me, the hotel said not here and send me a telephone message that so & so was looking for me.

Fastpiston
09-21-15, 08:52
I have had the front desk of 5 star hotels in Manila tell girls that wondered in off the street or called that yes I was staying there at the time they inquired. Front desk hotel resident confidentiality is not taught or practiced in the Philippines as it is in the West. I suspect when wanton women inquire about our whereabouts they know what's going and seem to take pride in our misery. As for the front desk protecting mongers from an extortion scam forget about it. They stick together on lot of issues including murder.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/671248/us-marine-slay-case-osg-hits-makati-judge-who-let-convicts-wander-freeGirls hanging around or waiting near reception will often hear a "Good Afternoon Mr. X". They now know the name.

Often they can see which numbered key slot the key came from.

Now they know both name & room number. Simple!

Mr Enternational
09-21-15, 10:43
If mongering is going to be that complicated why even do it? I follow a strict regimen of:
1. Go to city XYZ.
2. Find girls and fuck.
3. Go home.

GoodEnough
09-21-15, 21:19
Girls hanging around or waiting near reception will often hear a "Good Afternoon Mr. X". They now know the name.

Often they can see which numbered key slot the key came from.

Now they know both name & room number. Simple!The five star hotels do not, as a rule, use keys, but plastic cards with no room designation printed on them. Most of the five star hotels in Makati, at least those in which I've stayed, require a room key to access the elevators, so girls can't jump on the elevator and spontaneously pop up outside of rooms.

GE.

Pantot
09-22-15, 03:12
The five star hotels do not, as a rule, use keys, but plastic cards with no room designation printed on them. Most of the five star hotels in Makati, at least those in which I've stayed, require a room key to access the elevators, so girls can't jump on the elevator and spontaneously pop up outside of rooms.

GE.Sorry but the discussion you entered is Angeles City not Makati. 5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.

This sort of lazy posting by habitual posters is why this place is such a jumbled mess.

The key in the slot is Standard Operationg Procedure in virtually all of AC hotels other than the newer overpriced places for guys on expense accounts or with money to burn.

Sorry to offend anyone.

Ikksman
09-22-15, 03:43
Sorry but the discussion you entered is Angeles City not Makati. 5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.

This sort of lazy posting by habitual posters is why this place is such a jumbled mess.

The key in the slot is Standard Operationg Procedure in virtually all of AC hotels other than the newer overpriced places for guys on expense accounts or with money to burn.

Sorry to offend anyone.DarkKnight1 wrote about Manila 5 star hotels in relation to hotel front desk staff revealing guest details in this forum. GE was responding to that post and another related post by FastPiston.


I have had the front desk of 5 star hotels in Manila tell girls that wondered in off the street or called that yes I was staying there at the time they inquired. So GE's post was appropriate and accurate, and he cannot be accused of "lazy posting".

The only criticism I have is that DarkKnight1 was not chastised for writing about Manila in the AC forum. But there again perhaps posters here are tired of criticising him for his rubbish posts over the last few weeks.

And you sir, just watch the flowers while riding on horseback (old Chinese idiom).

Ikksman

Red Dogger
09-22-15, 08:55
5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.
All the hotels in Angeles in which I stayed used cards, not keys.

All the hotels controlled girls showing up and girls leaving. They called me when girls left, and called me when girls arrived.

Pantot
09-22-15, 15:49
DarkKnight1 wrote about Manila 5 star hotels in relation to hotel front desk staff revealing guest details in this forum. GE was responding to that post and another related post by FastPiston.

So GE's post was appropriate and accurate, and he cannot be accused of "lazy posting".

Ok Ikksman we can chalk you up as a staunch defender of the disjointed nature of the Phils forum.

I'm simply pointing out to those of you have have not been to both places, that AC and Makati are very distinct and different places.

But thanks for making my point that the rampant off topic jaunts so common here while sometimes started by the newer posters who may be confused, are always excaberated by the habitual posters who then pile on and make RTFF virtually impossible for the prospective mongers who come here for real info about specific places.

Recently the AC forum was polluted by an extended discussion of the pros and cons of specific models of aircraft which do not even darken the runways of Clark Airport for example. Fine topic I suppose but there is a place for that and its not here. Thanks for your contributions.

GoodEnough
09-22-15, 15:59
Sorry but the discussion you entered is Angeles City not Makati. 5 Star hotels in Makati are not relavent to AC.

This sort of lazy posting by habitual posters is why this place is such a jumbled mess.

The key in the slot is Standard Operationg Procedure in virtually all of AC hotels other than the newer overpriced places for guys on expense accounts or with money to burn.

Sorry to offend anyone.No harm, no foul. I've only ever stayed at the ABC, which uses plastic key cards, so have no clue about other hotels. And by the way, it's not cause I have money to burn but I'm old and like a bit of luxury. 😊.

GE.

Socker
09-27-15, 04:53
Thought I would ask since I'll be there soon. How's the talent in the big bars these days? Buyers or sellers market?

Thanks.

Krum Lov
09-27-15, 06:33
Hi,

Is it still 700 php for a BJ in Santos Road places like black pearl etc?

Thanks,

Krumlov

ThedStar143
09-27-15, 19:11
Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.

Jack4765
09-27-15, 20:05
Hi,

Is it still 700 php for a BJ in Santos Road places like black pearl etc?

Thanks,

KrumlovNo. Last I paid was 800 p and you have to take them out. No more on site sex.

Mr Enternational
09-27-15, 23:09
1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?1&2) Guys have reported getting massages from these girls. Sometimes extras and sometimes not. There has never been a problem with them reported on the forum.

3) You can start a conversation with anyone you want. How long have you been on this planet? Do cashiers that work at quick marts in your town also give you hots? I guess it is the way they add everything up huh?

Threadbare
09-27-15, 23:46
Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.These girls are sort of between freelancers and bar girls. Of course they are on the street so you don't need to venture into a bar and they stand pretty still so you can take a look and decide if you like one, take your time with no pressure. They have a bit of a contact trail as they are connected to a "massage operation" and you should get a contact card. I have negotiated an LT arrangement, so overnight, with a really nice one, and took her straight back to my hotel, without any problem in any respect. Service was great, and LT fee was 3000, so same as ERF in most bars. Looking back, I imagine that could be negotiated, but I didn't. Never did try a "711" girl yet though, but most girls have their price in AC!

WestCoast1
09-27-15, 23:50
Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

Rocky.Picking up non-bar girls, free-lancers of any kind, has its dangers. Reading back just 3 pages to post #17293 (Salvatore X) will show one of the vulnerabilities (drug scam in the hotel room).

Please RTTF.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1775154&viewfull=1#post1775154

Blanquiceleste
09-28-15, 01:38
1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?1. Most of these "girls" are working but please check to ensure they are actually girls. Often they are connected to a much bigger organization so make sure you interview the girl at length. You don't want a WG who is rooted in Angeles inside you hotel room. A variety of reasons for this. RTFF for details.

2. Its safe to bring the girl into the hotel. The real fun starts after the girl is inside your room. If you hear knocks on your door after about 20 min of getting to the room you can say your prayers and count your money.

3. These are not off the table entirely, however it can take time effort and resources. When was the last time you met a girl on the street and ended up in bed together after an hour? The upside is these girls can be true GFE providers and sometimes you may not really pay them. But expect to spend on a movie and a dinner, possibly a gift.

ThedStar143
09-28-15, 20:44
Thank you friends. A big thanks to west coast, I did RTFF but somehow missed it. Anyways its an eye opener. Better stick to the bars and play it safe.

Rocky.

Sammon
09-29-15, 01:58
Hello Friends and Seniors.

I have been to AC in June 15. Again I am coming back in October for having much more fun. However I have a few questions as I couldn't find out by my selves. Any seniors would have a better idea. So my questions are.

1) The girls standing at the starting of walking street, are they working girls? Because few of them said ' Massage. Sir'. But as it was my first time at AC, I cudn't open up the offer.

2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

3) Can we open up a conversation with girls sitting in 7/11 type stores. I get hots for them. ?

I hope your suggestions would make my trip much more fun. Thank you.

Rocky.1. Girls standing are most likely ladyboys. Freelancers do not stand on the street corner like they do in many other countries.

Girls yelling " massage " usually are massage girls working at nearby massage parlor so sent out to get customers.

Freelancers in AC usually are in groups of two or more endlessly pacing up and down. Later at night you can find them in disco.

Most freelancers are usually had been bargirls before. For one reason or another they chose freelancing. Most often reason is they got pregnant and forced out of the bar. I know of some girls who need to make money and end up freelancing. At the same time they cannot be bargirls because they need to take care of the baby.

2. Is it safe? AC is not known for police or police look likes knocking on the door after the girl is inside unless [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) scam. Most often it happened to people in Manila. I have taken many freelancers over the years. Some turned out to be real GFE.

Some ex bar girls and others from surrounding areas to make quick money. Be careful approaching girls in discos because some girls are there waiting for their Phi boyfriends or pimps.

3. Not so much in AC but in Manila you find lots of girls sitting and eating at 7-11 stores. I have not chatted with any of them. I have made friends and enjoyed couple of girls at a beauty salon while I was getting mani pedi. Usually they start the conversation. In a big city like Manila 7-11 girls maybe waiting for somebody or whiling away their time for bus etc. Same thing happens in Cebu.

In closing you use your own judgement. Seasoned mongers who by experience know how to go out of the ordinary and get girls.

Pantot
09-29-15, 04:33
In my opinion the Freelance scene in the area from say Ponytails down through fields all the way to almost macarthur and then behind Raymond street and Orchid Inn over to Santos street down to Wild Orchid has changed over the past 2 to 3 years. If those giving advice about the type about the type of girls or not girls, mostly available is from experiences before that, its mostly out of date.

The amount of freelancers and massage girls associated with brick and mortar parlors and those who are massage freelance in small groups with a business card and the cellfone of some pimp listed have grown dramatically. The crossdressing boys have always been there but now they are vastly outnumbered by the real girls. If you can't tell the difference when they are standing in front of you then I can't help you, for me its pretty simple. Excessive musculature, large hands and feet, bad makeup, exagerrated slutty feminity, a strange strained voice you would have to be hammered to not know.

The reason they are freelance as opposed to working in a bar are many. Being a mom or even a new mom is not one of them. As a quick glance into 5 random bars wll tell you there are plenty moms in two pieces in bars at in the 30 - 70 % range depending the bar and the amount of jelly belly brand new moms in a bikini they really are not ready for is plenty.

Most claim to have worked in bars before but didn't like it. A bar is a real job with rules and many (most?) filipinos can't handle a a structured work environment. Also they have to get along in long shifts with dozens of girls the mamasans maybe some aggressive bosses so it not for everyone. The cattiness must be off the charts.

Some may have failed a health test. The bars health test isn't a tight net but it provides some layer of protection to temporarily sideline those who fail. I have never caught anything from a AC bargirl (I think) but I have picked up some of the more common infections from freelancers and local pampangan girls friends of friends. Nothing that couldn't be knocked out quickly with a normal course of Azithromycin available OTC at any Phils drug store but still a big drag. If you are a Scro-guard and Trojan modern kind of guy with a wife back home you are ok, but if you qre a sloppy fluid mixing sterile type of guy like me it is an issue. Best to stay away form the local girls all together, always ask their province and if they say Pampangan just move on IMO. Always try to find girls newly arrived in the last 2 or 3 months they are a plenty.

The bargirl also offers you some level of protection that they have someone to answer to and some accountablity rather than a street girl that can vanish into the ether after you meet if a bad scene develops. The street girl may have more social, anger, mental issues that prevent them from working in the bar which may not become manifest till you get to your room.

This past August I picked up the strangest girl I every took in AC and she was from a bar. Even the waitress said she was differnet and since she was new to AC I took a shot becuase I like a challenge. Actually the sex was great and she acted like some sort of submissive slave in bed btu when it came for her time to leave in the morning and she was informed she couldn't stay the next day all day she got very upset and the GFE ended.

I took 2 street girls this past August and 2 last March and had no atttitude problems. 2 were 'massage' and 2 were just random girls who caught my eye who I actually approached first. All were obviously of age. If the street girl looks too young she likely is which is reason #12 I cite here (but obviously Reason #1) she's not working in a bar.

If you fancy yourself a keen judge of character and prefer the more simple innocent girl next door types like me and are a risk taker then try some street / massage AC girls knowing and accepting the risks.

If you like the more seasoned pro hooker type you might be more at risk from a scam from a street girl so be careful. Or you like 'young looking' better to get the ones vetted by the bar to be over 18, not always a perfect guarantee but better that taking the girls word alone standing in the street gazing up at you with dreamy innocent eyes.

Socker
09-29-15, 04:58
Thank you me for the latest AC info. The bars are on the empty side but that was Monday night, maybe gets busier as the week continues, I'll see.

During my first day in AC (after a no sleep travel night) I managed to stop in Shipwrecked, 1 out of 10 dancers was acceptable and she purposely avoided eye contact. Monsoon, again, not much, and the Voodoo, again not much. I did buy a drink for a little cutie but it's so dark in there I decided it best to head back to the room for a nap.

In general the only good thing about AC on this day was a Kokomo cheese burger, I was really shocked at how much better it was from last Feb. Fields Ave looks worse and worse every trip which is too bad. Looks better at night of course but not like it did on my first trip 6 years ago.

So after my nap I went out to change money and as I was walking back a group of door girls pulled me into Insomnia. This bar is not on my usual rotation but okay, I'll buy a brew, always good to get out of the heat. So now I spot a nice looking spinner, she really had a nice body and cute face. She starts playing w / the girl next to her and they start doing a faux lesbo show. I have her sit and we talk, she's a nasty little lady and ask that I take her friend too, so I took these 2 from Insomnia.

After all is said and done I was happy w / the 2 dancers but disappointed w / the 3000 p price tag, 3000 p for cute dancers from a scroungy place like Insomnia was bad news. I shouldn't have paid that price but I'm fresh off the plane and do better tomorrow.

My take on the massage ladies on Walking Street. The ones I saw w / my 2 barfines walking to the Atlantis were mostly from storefront businesses. Some looked awfully young, a few LBs mixed in. This massage lady phenomenon in AC comes from Burgos St IMO. Burgos St is a zoo w / all the massage ladies and most are independent. They swarm the street after 8 or 9 pm offering massages and more so they are just another form of FLs. Now this same activity seems to be getting popular on Fields Ave. I saw some lookers in the massage lady mix but they are a crapshoot at best IMO, not to mention ua.

I'm at the PB right now and the sun might come out, no it's out. Now what? Swim.

It's a buyer's market here in AC.

IllusionHeart
09-29-15, 16:01
Thank you friends. A big thanks to west coast, I did RTFF but somehow missed it. Anyways its an eye opener. Better stick to the bars and play it safe.

Rocky.Rocky, I got tricked by a girl whom I had picked from a proper bar named "7". It costed me and my buddy 7 k pesos. I did manage to salvage my night but good lesson learned.

Speak to girl as much as you can. Tell her what you want and check if she's ok with it. If at any time she dosent give you a positive or good vibe then just walk away. There are enough girls believe me. Just not worth taking a girl to your room and having to put up with any nonsense.

X Man
10-02-15, 11:31
Good advice, but please share the details.


Rocky, I got tricked by a girl whom I had picked from a proper bar named "7". It costed me and my buddy 7 k pesos. I did manage to salvage my night but good lesson learned.

Speak to girl as much as you can. Tell her what you want and check if she's ok with it. If at any time she dosent give you a positive or good vibe then just walk away. There are enough girls believe me. Just not worth taking a girl to your room and having to put up with any nonsense.

IllusionHeart
10-02-15, 14:33
Good advice, but please share the details.

XMan, I have reported on the experience in my FR. Post #16763. Hope the below link takes you to the post.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1725591

X Man
10-03-15, 12:57
Thanks, I read the FR. I don't remember seeing this bar when I was there in August. Probably gone, as it should be.


XMan, I have reported on the experience in my FR. Post #16763. Hope the below link takes you to the post.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1725591

Blanquiceleste
10-04-15, 03:40
Thanks, I read the FR. I don't remember seeing this bar when I was there in August. Probably gone, as it should be.Are you certain? This bar is actually not directly on the street. Its off the street and among a cluster of other bars inside a compound. And its not just 7. Its "No. 7" written the same way as on a bottle of Jack Daniels.

Amjeck
10-04-15, 07:16
Hello Friends and Seniors.


2) How safe is it to bring these girls to your hotel?

How safe is it to bring any stranger to your hotel room anywhere in the world?

I know a guy who barfined a girl from a fields ave bar years ago and ended up in jail from a scam. I know guys who take only freelancers and never have a problem. Common sense and street smarts applies well in AC.

IllusionHeart
10-04-15, 07:34
Thanks, I read the FR. I don't remember seeing this bar when I was there in August. Probably gone, as it should be.X-Man, there is a small lane with cluster of bars exactly opposite of Paradise Beer Garden at the end of Fields Avenue. No 7 is at the end of the lane. You can see the bar even if you are standing on fields avenue and looking inside the lane.

I had picked up intel on these cluster of bars on a post by a member prior to my visit and hence had ventured inside.

Funny part is that entire staff will clap together and welcome you inside when you step in (Knowing very well that another bull has walked in to be slaughtered). There were 3 or 4 good girls of which me and my buddy had picked two. The girl crossed me twice on subsequent days once when she was walking towards the bar for work around 7 pm and once when we were going to High society if i remember correctly. Hence i had arrived at the conclusion that the bar must be in on the MO knowing very few customers actually walk up to a bar to complain or ask their money back.

We were not too smart and so aren't a lot of other dudes visiting. Hope other visiting members can avoid this bar as there are tons of other places to go to.

ThatGuy865
10-04-15, 17:17
X-Man, there is a small lane with cluster of bars exactly opposite of Paradise Beer Garden at the end of Fields Avenue. No 7 is at the end of the lane. You can see the bar even if you are standing on fields avenue and looking inside the lane.

I had picked up intel on these cluster of bars on a post by a member prior to my visit and hence had ventured inside.

Funny part is that entire staff will clap together and welcome you inside when you step in (Knowing very well that another bull has walked in to be slaughtered). There were 3 or 4 good girls of which me and my buddy had picked two. The girl crossed me twice on subsequent days once when she was walking towards the bar for work around 7 pm and once when we were going to High society if i remember correctly. Hence i had arrived at the conclusion that the bar must be in on the MO knowing very few customers actually walk up to a bar to complain or ask their money back.

We were not too smart and so aren't a lot of other dudes visiting. Hope other visiting members can avoid this bar as there are tons of other places to go to.Your conclusion would be wrong. Just because a girl goes back to your room is no guarantee she will perform. In your FR you say she started crying / acting funny after several minutes of texting. You have no idea what the texting was about, could be friends going out and she wanted to join them, could have been trouble with her kids or boyfriend. In your FR you decided to send the girl and your friend's girl away. You are the one who decided not to go back to the bar to ask for refund. You are making a lot of assumptions about the bar saying they were in on it, based upon no facts. Bars have no control over girls actions in the rooms. Your situation can happen with any girl from any bar. Its was the girl not the bar.

FredBratten
10-05-15, 21:11
Hi,

Thank you for the great information here.

I am planning a trip to AC during the autumn / winter, and have read that AC is not the place to be close to Christmas.

Does anyone of you know when the Christmas-effect starts to limit the supply?

I am thinking of maybe staying in AC the first two weeks in December.

Thanks for the advice in advance!

Best,

FredB

IllusionHeart
10-06-15, 18:40
Your conclusion would be wrong. Just because a girl goes back to your room is no guarantee she will perform. In your FR you say she started crying / acting funny after several minutes of texting. You have no idea what the texting was about, could be friends going out and she wanted to join them, could have been trouble with her kids or boyfriend. In your FR you decided to send the girl and your friend's girl away. You are the one who decided not to go back to the bar to ask for refund. You are making a lot of assumptions about the bar saying they were in on it, based upon no facts. Bars have no control over girls actions in the rooms. Your situation can happen with any girl from any bar. Its was the girl not the bar.Mate,

My assessment of the situation was as follow:

1. It seemed that Girl liked me as we got real cozy in the bar hence I decided to barfine her assuming we will be having a good time.

2. Never ever she mentioned that she wanted to go home or leave when she was in the room txting.

3. She just sat there crying and making no indication of wanting to leave, I. E. Holding her bag or sitting on the chair or even standing up. She was still lying on bed. I had to escort her out.

4. I checked her ID and she was 19 years old. It could have been a fake one as well as she indeed was a PYT. This was a risk I wasnt willing to take.

After having gone through the above, only thing which was on my mind was that something was seriously wrong. My sixth sense or gut kicked in and I acted to get myself out of the situation. When she crossed me other time on fields avenue she was laughing and joking with the other girl and walking towards her bar. She froze when she saw me across the street. I looked the other way and walked away. When I looked back at her she was back to being funny, maybe she was laughing on how she made an arse of me.

Hence my assessment that it was not the first time she pulled something like this. Secondly the bar must be knowing of her behavior or worst case scenario must be ignoring it despite knowing. I don't believe in going back to the bar and engaging with the staff especially in a extremely corrupted land where one should avoid LE like the plague. We as an average tourist will never get the support of the LE if bar guys decide to get nasty. I was there to have a good time hence I wrote off the money as bad experience.

I sounded off on the forum of my experience. Other members are free to try the bar or even the girl. Her name was "Ella".

Mr Enternational
10-06-15, 21:41
I don't believe in going back to the bar and engaging with the staff especially in a extremely corrupted land where one should avoid LE like the plague. We as an average tourist will never get the support of the LE if bar guys decide to get nasty. I was there to have a good time hence I wrote off the money as bad experience.And this is what they are counting on and how they are able to get away with it (and another reason why I always pay after.) Me, I don't mind making waves; especially when it is about my money. Seems a bit of a paradox when the patron is afraid of law enforcement when it is him against the bar, yet law enforcement is the one known to bust the bars and haul away all the workers at times.

Sxxxx
10-07-15, 12:32
And this is what they are counting on and how they are able to get away with it (and another reason why I always pay after.) .............................................You always pay after? But not with bar girls, which is what person you are referring to is talking about. You can not take a bar girl without paying the bar fine. Freelancers you pay after, yes, but not bar girls which is what the discussion is about.

Blanquiceleste
10-07-15, 16:35
You always pay after? But not with bar girls, which is what person you are referring to is talking about. You can not take a bar girl without paying the bar fine. Freelancers you pay after, yes, but not bar girls which is what the discussion is about.I beg to differ. I have picked a girl from Eruption and I clearly remember I paid after the deed. You are totally right about the bars on Fields, but the ones around Perimeter are more flexible if you tell them you are not carrying enough cash.

Blanquiceleste
10-07-15, 16:45
Seems a bit of a paradox when the patron is afraid of law enforcement when it is him against the bar, yet law enforcement is the one known to bust the bars and haul away all the workers at times.The LE in such countries usually follow the money. If the bar has not been paying the LE the protection fee they get busted. If its a tourist with dollars to burn then the LE will turn their attention to the tourist. I read a report today about a Korean gent being arrested for pimping. Now isn't that paradoxical?

http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2015/10/07/korean-national-arrested-for-supplying-prostitutes-to-party-guests-in-angeles-city/

IllusionHeart
10-07-15, 19:39
And this is what they are counting on and how they are able to get away with it (and another reason why I always pay after.) Me, I don't mind making waves; especially when it is about my money. Seems a bit of a paradox when the patron is afraid of law enforcement when it is him against the bar, yet law enforcement is the one known to bust the bars and haul away all the workers at times.Mr E,

In AC most of the clubs collect the bar fine upfront. You might be enjoying special privilege of paying later whereas most of us don't.

As far as LE crackdown is considered its purely basis of government mood and intention and happens when things start getting out of control or too much international pressure on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), etc.

On a day to day basis the bar and LE work hand in glove and have defined financial arrangements or there would have been no need for crackdowns. So when it is an isolated incident of you vs the bar and even if the bar guys have kicked arse for no reason the LE is not going to help us.

Mr Enternational
10-07-15, 22:12
You always pay after? But not with bar girls, which is what person you are referring to is talking about. You can not take a bar girl without paying the bar fine. Freelancers you pay after, yes, but not bar girls which is what the discussion is about.And why can't you? Is it because you have never done it? Have you ever even tried? As I have stated before, I always tell the mamasan (including the ones on Fields) that I will send the money back with the girl tomorrow. No problem. Hell, the girl already knows where your room is.

It may be in the punter's personality. As some have already said, they would rather not make waves and want to follow a certain protocol. But I have a very assertive personality. I tend to more so say fuck the standard and see how far I am able to stretch the norms.

Sxxxx
10-08-15, 02:59
I beg to differ. I have picked a girl from Eruption and I clearly remember I paid after the deed. You are totally right about the bars on Fields, but the ones around Perimeter are more flexible if you tell them you are not carrying enough cash.Obviously you are 1. Known to management or 2. Hansome guy, LOL.

Mogwai
10-08-15, 12:28
And why can't you? Is it because you have never done it? Have you ever even tried? As I have stated before, I always tell the mamasan (including the ones on Fields) that I will send the money back with the girl tomorrow. No problem. Hell, the girl already knows where your room is.
And of course you never give them the usual 2500 or 3000 PhP but only 1000 or something like that.

Mogwai
10-08-15, 12:48
The LE in such countries usually follow the money. If the bar has not been paying the LE the protection fee they get busted. If its a tourist with dollars to burn then the LE will turn their attention to the tourist. I read a report today about a Korean gent being arrested for pimping. Now isn't that paradoxical?

http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2015/10/07/korean-national-arrested-for-supplying-prostitutes-to-party-guests-in-angeles-city/A few days ago one of my regulars told me a story that might be related to this. She said a foreigner (yes, a foreigner!) is working together with police from Manila to frame freelancers in Walking Street. He asks them if they can bring him a 15 or 16 yo girl (so too young) and promises them a good tip. If they do that they get arrested and are facing long time in prison.

My regular got so scared that she stopped working as a FL and returned to her hometown. According to her the number of FLs has gone down significantly because of all of this.

However I want to emphasize that I might have misunderstood some parts of her story, because of her 'Phinglish' (Philippine English).

Chocha Monger
10-08-15, 17:49
It shouldn't be a surprise that a foreigner is acting as a stool pigeon for police on Walking Street to frame freelancers. That sort of thing is quite common. Sometimes expats caught up in entrapment schemes agree to become stool pigeons in exchange for their freedom. They may have to help the police entrap a certain number of people before earning their freedom. Usually they assist in targeting other foreigners for extortion by befriending them and learning about any proclivities to engage in other than legal activities, and financial resources. This information is then used to determine the appropriate bait and trap.

In other cases, the stool pigeon might be an NGO asset on a crusade to eradicate the sex trade. Enticing freelancers to do something illegal at the behest of a foreigner and then throwing them in jail is an effective way of spreading fear and distrust between freelancers and mongers. No doubt, some of these jailed freelancers will be offered the opportunity to cooperate with police by planting ice crystals in the room of some hapless sex tourist who will pay a large sum of money to opt out of prosecution and indefinite imprisonment.

This is all part of how the police generate multiple streams of income to supplement their otherwise meager salaries. Locals tend to take matters into their own hands because the police are often too busy engaging in wealth transfer activities to bother about solving any real crime. Many locals find themselves turned away by the police or referred back to their barangay captain. They only respond quickly when an alleged crime is a possible opportunity to make some quick cash.

Mr Enternational
10-08-15, 18:04
A few days ago one of my regulars told me a story that might be related to this. She said a foreigner (yes, a foreigner!) is working together with police from Manila to frame freelancers in Walking Street. He asks them if they can bring him a 15 or 16 yo girl (so too young) and promises them a good tip. If they do that they get arrested and are facing long time in prison.

My regular got so scared that she stopped working as a FL and returned to her hometown. According to her the number of FLs has gone down significantly because of all of this.

However I want to emphasize that I might have misunderstood some parts of her story, because of her 'Phinglish' (Philippine English).Everyone already knows that there are foreigners that work together with police in both PI and Thailand. A buddy of mine is Pinoy but lives in the states. Whenever we go to AC together the girls in the bars always think he is the police (and some people here think they have a hard time with girls.)

What I do not understand is why she or anyone else would get scared if they were not the ones bringing the teenieboppers. If I am walking down the street and someone asks me for cocaine why would I run home scared knowing I have nothing to do with drugs.

Mogwai
10-09-15, 03:43
What I do not understand is why she or anyone else would get scared if they were not the ones bringing the teenieboppers. If I am walking down the street and someone asks me for cocaine why would I run home scared knowing I have nothing to do with drugs.As I already said in my post it's possible that I misunderstood some parts of her story. It was quite difficult for her to explain to me what is going on exactly. It's possible that they are framing the girls in a lot of different ways.

Anyway, yesterday she told me it was not the only reason she went back to her hometown. There were some other more personal reasons too.

Fastpiston
10-10-15, 07:23
Everyone already knows that there are foreigners that work together with police in both PI and Thailand. A buddy of mine is Pinoy but lives in the states. Whenever we go to AC together the girls in the bars always think he is the police (and some people here think they have a hard time with girls.)

What I do not understand is why she or anyone else would get scared if they were not the ones bringing the teenieboppers. If I am walking down the street and someone asks me for cocaine why would I run home scared knowing I have nothing to do with drugs.Unless the police planted some white powder on one just like security staff were planting a white powder in people's bags in terminal 2 of Manila airport recently. Never underestimate the skill to scam.

Fast Eddie 48
10-10-15, 19:21
You always pay after? But not with bar girls, which is what person you are referring to is talking about. You can not take a bar girl without paying the bar fine. Freelancers you pay after, yes, but not bar girls which is what the discussion is about.To SXXXX.

I always need to pay upfront at AC I ask many time the mamasan say no, I was in Subic a few yr back at Vodoo bar I only have 1200 p with me all the money is in the hotel safe barfine is 1500 p,they told me pay the 800 p with drink and I give the girl 1000 p plus 200 p tip in the morning the girl is very happy give me a big kiss.

Fast eddie 48.

Sxxxx
10-10-15, 23:13
Unless the police planted some white powder on one just like security staff were planting a white powder in people's bags in terminal 2 of Manila airport recently. Never underestimate the skill to scam.Is this T. 2. White powder scam in addition to the T4 bullet in the bag scam, Manila Airports? Scary if so.

Sxxxx
10-10-15, 23:24
To SXXXX.

I always need to pay upfront at AC I ask many time the mamasan say no, I was in Subic a few yr back at Vodoo bar I only have 1200 p with me all the money is in the hotel safe barfine is 1500 p,they told me pay the 800 p with drink and I give the girl 1000 p plus 200 p tip in the morning the girl is very happy give me a big kiss.

Fast eddie 48.To clarify for newbies, you always had to pay the barfine up front before taking lady from bar. Then there was an endemic of bar raids, and clubs changed it so that you give girl barfine money in hotel room, not bar.

Now that bar raids have receded somewhat drastically, some of the bars are still frightened of a police set up and still want us to pay the barfine in hotel room, not bar. But I think you will find most bars have now reverted back to the time honored practice of paying bar fine before you leave the bar, with the girl. Exceptions, handsome wiley mongers like Enternational, LOL.

Mere mortals like you FastEddie, and myself, have to pay before leaving bar. Any which way, you have to pay, LOL. For me, discussion on this now closed. Happy mongering.

X Man
10-11-15, 11:38
I don't know the details of the recent AC history, but I will confirm that there is a wide variety of options / systems. It's probably best that we don't even explain the details.


To clarify for newbies, .

Big Kahuna
10-12-15, 05:17
Just left AC this morning.

Red bar - 2400.

Q bar - 2700.

Orange - 3000.

Brown Sugar - 2500.

Doll house -3000.

Baby dolls - 1800.

Sammon
10-12-15, 10:57
Day 5- Took swagman bus to Angeles. Arrived around 2 pm. Previously contacted a DIA girl and she texted me saying she will be in the hotel. Hotel royal Amsterdam 50 percent off because of renovations. They gave me a nice room room 204 facing fields. Rarely heard construction noise. Damage was 1400 a night. Good deal. Newly renovated room with big bathroom, rain shower head, plenty of counter space. Only drawback was water at best was lukewarm, never hot.

I texted the girl saying I was in the hotel and gave room number. She texted me back saying she will come soon. Previously we agreed on 2000 per day plus expenses. I took little rest and woke up at 5 pm. Still no girl. Texted and called with no reply. Must have gotten another customer. Meanwhile another girl who lives in tarlac was really interested in me. She was so happy I asked her to join me. She took the bus and was with me by 8 pm. Very horny and nice. We had a great time together. She does not drink and had no interest in going to bars. I went alone for a couple of hours to various bars. Plenty of guys on the street and plenty of girls in the bar. But very few customers in the bars. Many must be like me with pre arranged dates.

Same old shows and routine in the bars and bar fine is between 2500-3000. Did not go to perimeter bars so do not know how much they are?

My girl was very much into getting massage, mani-pedi, facial etc. I did not mind. We went out to breakfast and dinner and also to Robinson. I told her to buy something but she said it is ok if I give her money instead. Anyway great time for two nights and a full day. She left in the evening.

I just went to couple of bars but did not take anybody as I had no strength left after being with that girl.

In the morning bus back to Manila.

Streetlooker
10-12-15, 19:54
Just left AC this morning.

Red bar - 2400.

Q bar - 2700.

Orange - 3000.

Brown Sugar - 2500.

Doll house -3000.

Baby dolls - 1800.Big range in prices there 1800-3000 Is the quality of the girls in Orange or dollhouse (3000) Really much different then those in babydolls (1800)? In my experiance NO not really. Might get a diva attitude with the higher price.

Dg8787
10-13-15, 05:33
It was about 3 am that I got a text from a friend that needed to go to an Angeles hospital for stomach pain. I said I would meet her there. My hotel is on middle of perimeter road. I have never really been out at 3 am in AC. As I rode in the trike it was very dark and empty from the hotel to about Stop and Go. From there to MacArthur mostly clusters of girls going home from work.

What really surprised me was from the hotel to Stop and Go was about 8 or 9 single white men walking alone or some stumbling alone to who knows where as all places were closed. The street was emptied except for these guys and hardly any traffic at all. I could see what an easy target they were, especially for the armed robbers on motorbikes.

Please keep yourselves safe by not being an easy target with stupid behavior.

Dg8787
10-13-15, 15:34
It was about 3 am that I got a text from a friend that needed to go to an Angeles hospital for stomach pain. I said I would meet her there. My hotel is on middle of perimeter road. I have never really been out at 3 am in AC. As I rode in the trike it was very dark and empty from the hotel to about Stop and Go. From there to MacArthur mostly clusters of girls going home from work.

What really surprised me was from the hotel to Stop and Go was about 8 or 9 single white men walking alone or some stumbling alone to who knows where as all places were closed. The street was emptied except for these guys and hardly any traffic at all. I could see what an easy target they were, especially for the armed robbers on motorbikes.

Please keep yourselves safe by not being an easy target with stupid behavior.Mini Stop instead of Stop and Go.

FredBratten
10-18-15, 09:04
Hi,

I am planning on going to AC from December 6th until December 20th. How is the supply of girls in AC at that time? Is it worth going?

I would really appreciate if some experienced members would comment, since I have read that December is a bad month for AC-fun.


Hi,

Thank you for the great information here.

I am planning a trip to AC during the autumn / winter, and have read that AC is not the place to be close to Christmas.

Does anyone of you know when the Christmas-effect starts to limit the supply?

I am thinking of maybe staying in AC the first two weeks in December.

Thanks for the advice in advance!

Best,

FredB

Wicked Roger
10-18-15, 15:10
Hi,

I am planning on going to AC from December 6th until December 20th. How is the supply of girls in AC at that time? Is it worth going?

I would really appreciate if some experienced members would comment, since I have read that December is a bad month for AC-fun.You asked the same question 2 weeks ago and got no reply.

A quick RTFF would be able to help the question as this subject has been debated before as Christmas is close at the time.

But there are girls trust me.

But when you arrive be careful of the bar raids, the police who could scam you, the streets as dangerous, the food as many get food poisoning. Girls are the least of your worries.

Dg8787
10-18-15, 15:10
Hi,

I am planning on going to AC from December 6th until December 20th. How is the supply of girls in AC at that time? Is it worth going?

I would really appreciate if some experienced members would comment, since I have read that December is a bad month for AC-fun.If you read all the reports then you would conclude there is not a good month. Some months are too hot, other months too much rain, no rain too hot, too windy, Easter week is bad, when school starts, when school ends, school break is bad. Bad bad bad!

Today was the typhoon, heavy rain and high wind. Power outage at my hotel and along perimeter. My biggest problem was a couple of regular girls were out to Manila for family events and the other 2 were on their menses. It was pretty dry for me today. I texted one on her menses and asked her to send her friend over to my hotel and I would pay her BF to her. No problem, she was here at 3:30 and walked up 4 floors of stairs and spent 2 hours with me. Paid her the BF plus a decent tip. Walked back down 4 flights of stairs and went home.

There is always plenty here. Never had a bad month in AC.

JustTK
10-19-15, 15:55
Will be in AC in a few days time. Haven't been for a few months.

Can anyone tell me if there are any new BJ bars around? My fave was Matrix Braun but it closed down.

OneIpole
10-19-15, 18:08
Big range in prices there 1800-3000 Is the quality of the girls in Orange or dollhouse (3000) Really much different then those in babydolls (1800)? In my experiance NO not really. Might get a diva attitude with the higher price.No shit! Its the same range on Burgous! Whats the reason to go up there from Manila if the BF are the same price? I'm missing something, is there no extra payment to the girl?

Mr Enternational
10-19-15, 18:45
No shit! Its the same range on Burgous! Whats the reason to go up there from Manila if the BF are the same price? I'm missing something, is there no extra payment to the girl?In AC there is no extra payment to the girl. It is all covered in the bar fine.

Soldierb11
10-19-15, 18:57
Just left AC this morning.

Red bar - 2400.

Q bar - 2700.

Orange - 3000.

Brown Sugar - 2500.

Doll house -3000.

Baby dolls - 1800.To add to the Kahuna's list.

Monsoon- 2500 (and no discount for taking 3! You would think buy 2 get the 3rd half off but nooo, LOL).

Atlantis featured dancer- 3000.

Yokugozu (or whatever its called) 2400.

Lollipops- 2500.


Big range in prices there 1800-3000 Is the quality of the girls in Orange or dollhouse (3000) Really much different then those in babydolls (1800)? In my experiance NO not really. Might get a diva attitude with the higher price.The quality almost seems to vary everytime I step into a bar. I actually thought the girls in Orange were way below average when I was there early October / late September but that night I could have arrived 10 minutes after a Korean tour group snatched up all the hotties. This last trip I thought Arcadia had a pretty good lineup and Atlantis literally has 200+ girls so always some winners there. As for the 3000 peso girls being more "diva" like it definitely could be an issue with some. Thats why a good interview and building some connection is important.


No shit! Its the same range on Burgous! Whats the reason to go up there from Manila if the BF are the same price? I'm missing something, is there no extra payment to the girl?You answered your question, yes you are missing something. The BF is all inclusive no need to pay the girl extra so 1800 at bBbydolls is not a bad deal at 46 pesos per dollar. I can't stand Manilla traffic.

FredBratten
10-19-15, 19:08
Thanks for the quick replies. It is appreciated!

I will pay my dues by contributing with field reports.


If you read all the reports then you would conclude there is not a good month. Some months are too hot, other months too much rain, no rain too hot, too windy, Easter week is bad, when school starts, when school ends, school break is bad. Bad bad bad!

Today was the typhoon, heavy rain and high wind. Power outage at my hotel and along perimeter. My biggest problem was a couple of regular girls were out to Manila for family events and the other 2 were on their menses. It was pretty dry for me today. I texted one on her menses and asked her to send her friend over to my hotel and I would pay her BF to her. No problem, she was here at 3:30 and walked up 4 floors of stairs and spent 2 hours with me. Paid her the BF plus a decent tip. Walked back down 4 flights of stairs and went home.

There is always plenty here. Never had a bad month in AC.
You asked the same question 2 weeks ago and got no reply.

A quick RTFF would be able to help the question as this subject has been debated before as Christmas is close at the time.

But there are girls trust me.

But when you arrive be careful of the bar raids, the police who could scam you, the streets as dangerous, the food as many get food poisoning. Girls are the least of your worries.

Rstoff
10-19-15, 20:47
I will be in Angeles Easter Sunday for 6 days. Are you seriously telling me I'm in for a bad time? No Pussy? Surely there is serious cash to be made no matter what time of year it is.

Jjuky
10-20-15, 03:56
XMan, I have reported on the experience in my FR. Post #16763. Hope the below link takes you to the post.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1725591The girl texted, cried, and you kicked them out?

I don't think they did anything to scam you, seems like everything was going mostly normal.

One of the best girls I had in AC was crying while I banged her (only her second time having sex, made her friend force her to come with us).

Facial as she's sobbing was great OK, maybe a little weird, but she's working at a perimeter bar with cheapest bar fines, needed to learn the ropes.

OneIpole
10-20-15, 17:25
In AC there is no extra payment to the girl. It is all covered in the bar fine.Ok, that makes sense now.

Thank you.

IllusionHeart
10-20-15, 17:54
The girl texted, cried, and you kicked them out?

I don't think they did anything to scam you, seems like everything was going mostly normal.

One of the best girls I had in AC was crying while I banged her (only her second time having sex, made her friend force her to come with us).

Facial as she's sobbing was great OK, maybe a little weird, but she's working at a perimeter bar with cheapest bar fines, needed to learn the ropes.Jjuky, I had my reasons which you would have read in post #17355.

VeryInterest
10-21-15, 03:07
Heading to AC and have some questions after reading 100 pages or so.

Seems like most of the girls are MILFS, is it difficult to find non-mothers?

Are perimeter bars lower quality girls as in looks or age?

Are there any "incall" type places like Bangkok where there's a bed, a shower, and 2 hours later they send you on your way?

Blanquiceleste
10-21-15, 16:33
Seems like most of the girls are MILFS, is it difficult to find non-mothers?

Are perimeter bars lower quality girls as in looks or age?AC is full of single girls too. You will find them in the slightly premium looking GoGo bars on Fields. Atlantis is a good place to start, right at the beginning of the strip if you coming in from Margarita Station. Ask the waitress who serves you directly and tip her a 100. She will deliver the goods. No guarantees on service though, but I guess you will do the customary "interview" before you shake hands on the deal. I have never been disappointed.

The Perimeter bars operate on different terms. They open at noon and shut by 1 am, some even earlier. So they are perfect for daytime entertainment. The girls there are actually much sweeter and give a better GFE, IMHO and experience. Prices are cheaper too, starting at 1500 -1800. I have this theory that the girls fresh off the boat from far flung provinces make their bones at the Perimeter bars before working their way over to their glitzier neighbors at Fields. These bars are far more easy going with no one pushing you for drinks.

Now there are popular ones like Ponytail, Eruption etc. Which are priced like any other bar at Fields. And there are a rash of bar on the other side of Lewis Grand, after you pass the gas station. Those are the ones I am referring to above.

Have fun, hang loose and never carry anything more than cash in your pockets.

ThedStar143
10-21-15, 20:39
Landed today in AC. Had some rest. Finally reached fields by 10 pm. Very lean period. Lot of bars empty. Very few farangs as compared to my June trip. Lot more Germans & koreans. I wanted to test the street thing as missed in last trip. I collected a dozen of massage cards. Sorted to 2. Finally I se a MILF beauty at the entrance of walking street. Usual introduction and she quoted 3 k LT. I said I will be back. After an hour of moving around I quote 1. 5 k ST. Agreed. I know a bit high. But she is 7/10. And a ex bargirl. But to my horror I found out that she is local during trike ride. Then I said I don't want any disturbance let us switch off our phones. Agred with hesitation. Deed as usual but no BBBJ. I was fine as she already made me horny. I enjoyed the session. Its absolutely more fun in the philippines.

Rocky.

ThedStar143
10-21-15, 20:44
Heading to AC and have some questions after reading 100 pages or so.

Seems like most of the girls are MILFS, is it difficult to find non-mothers?

Are perimeter bars lower quality girls as in looks or age?

Are there any "incall" type places like Bangkok where there's a bed, a shower, and 2 hours later they send you on your way?Raw hunting is the name of the game in AC. Incall lot of spas in manila. Flight 168 for instance. Rocky.

Blanquiceleste
10-22-15, 01:46
I will be in Angeles Easter Sunday for 6 days. Are you seriously telling me I'm in for a bad time? No Pussy? Surely there is serious cash to be made no matter what time of year it is.6 weeks before Easter is Lent. Worst time of the year to be in the Philippines for mongering.

Fastpiston
10-22-15, 04:23
6 weeks before Easter is Lent. Worst time of the year to be in the Philippines for mongering.Pussy has to go to church, confess, then carry on.

DickBump
10-22-15, 07:44
Thought you may be interested to read was posted posted in the Ethiopia forum Apparently caught the Super Clap in AC.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?884-Ethiopia&p=1790248#post1790248.

Hutsori
10-22-15, 08:31
Thought you may be interested to read was posted posted in the Ethiopia forum Apparently caught the Super Clap in AC.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?884-Ethiopia&p=1790248#post1790248.It's an interesting FR but the fella seems to believe one cannot get gonorrhea through oral sex.


"Gonorrhea is commonly thought of as a painful genital infection. But the microbe also grows robustly in the pharynx, at the back of the throat. In effect, the human pharynx is a spawning ground for resistance. "Neisseria gonorrhoeae is just infinitely mutable," Dr. Katherine Hsu, an infectious-disease expert and the medical director of the S.T. the Prevention Division at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, told me. The throat, she said, is where "the gonococcus is having sex, so to speak, with other bacteria. " And, because pharyngeal gonorrhea rarely produces symptoms, it is more likely both to go untreated and to be passed on unknowingly. A driving factor behind the rise in gonorrhea infections, as well as the trend toward total antibiotic resistance, is our complacent attitude toward oral sex. Saliva contains enzymes that destroy gonorrhea, so kissing and cunnilingus don't spread it. But fellatio, which brings the tip of the urethra near the pharynx, carries a high risk of infecting one partner or the other. " http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/01/sex-and-the-superbug.

Member #4360
10-22-15, 17:40
Heading to AC and have some questions after reading 100 pages or so.

Seems like most of the girls are MILFS, is it difficult to find non-mothers?

Are perimeter bars lower quality girls as in looks or age?

Are there any "incall" type places like Bangkok where there's a bed, a shower, and 2 hours later they send you on your way?1) Some of the girls have babies and some don't. Sometimes the marks are readily available and other times you can't tell. Plenty of gals about that aren't mothers. 18,19, 20 etc.

On average over the last decade I'd say the 'average' age of a bar girl in AC has moved from 18-22 to 20-24. Plenty of good ones still here. Just ask if they have a baby and they will gladly tell you.

Perimeter and Fields are very different beasts.

Fields has hotter girls (in general) and more girls, more clubs in a smaller area. However you can run into more games:

- Hygiene tomorrow.

- Menstruation (after you've bought them copious drinks).

- Sorry, not tonight.

Fields also usually has higher barfines.

In recent years I've stopped going to Fields as much because all of the above, plus beggars, people watching you and the just the general vibe. Though have pulled some stunner and some good girls.

Perimeter is more spread out, and more laid back, closes earlier (last few bars close at midnight). There's a lot of fun to be had, and can find some diamonds, new girls, etc. Try them both out.

No real 'incall' (brothels). You can check Blow Rd and Raymond St. Both are short time roads. You can easily take a girl to local ST hotel for few hundred peso. Or you can get numbers and text them to come to your hotel when you feel like staying in / afternoons.

Member #4360
10-22-15, 17:45
Thought you may be interested to read was posted posted in the Ethiopia forum Apparently caught the Super Clap in AC.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?884-Ethiopia&p=1790248#post1790248.STDs are a way of life when you're a monger. At least the risk of them.

Double (or triple) if you bareback or frequent RLD that have lot of bareback.

Condoms are optional in AC / PI so most guys I know will catch the clap periodically. You pay your dollar and take your chances.

In a decade of hard mongering here I probably catch it 1 or 2 x a year (maybe 100+ girls a year).

In the past a dose of cipro would clear it up, then zithro. One time I caught a strain that didn't respond to either, had to get a right painful shot in the arm and it was gone the next day.

Never caught anything worse (knock on wood).

I believe the 'Gonno that is non-responsive' is just a scare tactic via media to get clicks. It's my understanding they really just mean that there are strains that will require a cocktail of antibiotics to treat. Not that you will live the rest of your life with a drippy dick.

Member #4360
10-22-15, 17:51
Landed today in AC. Had some rest. Finally reached fields by 10 pm. Very lean period. Lot of bars empty. Very few farangs as compared to my June trip. Lot more Germans & koreans. I wanted to test the street thing as missed in last trip. I collected a dozen of massage cards. Sorted to 2. Finally I se a MILF beauty at the entrance of walking street. Usual introduction and she quoted 3 k LT. I said I will be back. After an hour of moving around I quote 1. 5 k ST. Agreed. I know a bit high. But she is 7/10. And a ex bargirl. But to my horror I found out that she is local during trike ride. Then I said I don't want any disturbance let us switch off our phones. Agred with hesitation. Deed as usual but no BBBJ. I was fine as she already made me horny. I enjoyed the session. Its absolutely more fun in the philippines.

Rocky.Yeah that's crazy pricing.

1 k long time and 500ST would be more in line with reality.

Maybe- 1 k short time (max).

Personally I'd steer clear of the street girls. Just too many problems over the years with scams and worse. If you want hookups without paying barfines head to Blow Rd or Raymond and get some numbers while you have a drink.

Or get numbers from girls in bars to meet after work or the next day.

Current rate (at least that I pay) is 500ST and 1 k long time (if they're good). If not so good maybe just 500 or 700 p LT.

Never once had any complaints, and never had girls not want to repeat.

Cellphone off is a good idea, but you could also be followed pretty easily by her handler if it's a setup. Honestly. Better to just avoid the street girls.

Member #4360
10-22-15, 17:52
I will be in Angeles Easter Sunday for 6 days. Are you seriously telling me I'm in for a bad time? No Pussy? Surely there is serious cash to be made no matter what time of year it is.Pretty dead during Easter.

You'll find something. But a lot fewer options.

Member #4360
10-22-15, 17:59
In AC there is no extra payment to the girl. It is all covered in the bar fine.I dunno, have been living here a decade. When I first came you're right. It was pretty much all inclusive. Maybe a few hundred for trike.

If you take a girl LT now and give her no tip can pretty much guarantee she will not want to go with you again, and worst she will tell the other girls in her bar you suck as well.

Hell, just sitting in my local bars the girls will point out customers that only tip 200 p or nothing when they come in. I've seen these same guys get upset when they try to interact with their prior barfine on stage and she turns her back.

Tipping nothing is like having Herpes on your nose.

Guess it also depends where you're pulling from and whom you're taking. If you're grabbing from Santos, street gals, or Raymond. Sure maybe you can tip nothing. Or if you're pulling fugly chicks they might be glad to have the barfine money?

My (and my friends) typical tip is 500ST and 1 k LT (if she does good) - and I'm surely no big spender.

I don't barfine from Fields anymore. Used to be the barfines were only 1.8 or 2. Now that they're 3 k maybe you're right. Maybe the girls aren't wanting a tip. Don't have current experience on Fields.

Mogwai
10-23-15, 07:25
No real 'incall' (brothels). You can check Blow Rd and Raymond St. Both are short time roads. You can easily take a girl to local ST hotel for few hundred peso. Or you can get numbers and text them to come to your hotel when you feel like staying in / afternoons.For the newbies: you won't find 'Blow Rd' in Google Maps (not in Angeles anyway). It's called 'A Santos Road' officially.

Mogwai
10-23-15, 07:30
Personally I'd steer clear of the street girls. Just too many problems over the years with scams and worse. Personally I'd steer clear of the BAR girls. Just too many problems over the years with scams and worse, LOL!
I haven't even set one foot in a bar last time I was in Angeles.

Mr Enternational
10-23-15, 07:46
If you take a girl LT now and give her no tip can pretty much guarantee she will not want to go with you again, and worst she will tell the other girls in her bar you suck as well.

Hell, just sitting in my local bars the girls will point out customers that only tip 200 p or nothing when they come in. I've seen these same guys get upset when they try to interact with their prior barfine on stage and she turns her back.

Tipping nothing is like having Herpes on your nose.

Guess it also depends where you're pulling from and whom you're taking. If you're grabbing from Santos, street gals, or Raymond. Sure maybe you can tip nothing. Or if you're pulling fugly chicks they might be glad to have the barfine money?

My (and my friends) typical tip is 500ST and 1 k LT (if she does good) - and I'm surely no big spender.More importantly it may depend on who YOU are. Maybe you are talking about guys who disgust the women so that if he is not giving much extra then she wants nothing to do with him and will talk about him like a dog. There are many guys who can attest to not giving a girl a tip yet the girl is steadily blowing his phone up wondering when she can come back. So if you have been living there longer than I have been going there you should definitely know better! I know several guys who live in AC and I will swear that not one of them would dare give a chick a 500 peso tip. 1000 should not even be mentioned. I thought it was "Blow Row" by the way. But with you living there maybe you know something I don't.

Member #4360
10-23-15, 07:47
Personally I'd steer clear of the BAR girls. Just too many problems over the years with scams and worse, LOL!
I haven't even set one foot in a bar last time I was in Angeles.Okay sure, I get that. I know guys that share your preference.

Listen, I'm not in favor or bars, bar owners or that whole scene. However. Compare the types of scams that happen in AC.

A girl working in the bar can scam you. But really all you've lost is your barfine dosh. Maybe she'll pull a runner, give shit service, beg out, say it hurts to fuck, be a drink- or any number of games.

You get pissed, walk away and go grab another gal.

However girls on the street can lead to all sort of more serious problems. First hand know more than a handful of guys who have been surprised to find PNP jumping over their fence, knocking on their house / apt or hotel door.

Certainly not all freelancers on the street are on the game. But there certainly are more than a few. In the last decade can't even count how many setups I've heard about (and a lot of guys keep it to themselves. Or just leave).

In addition I know some girls who are on the street cause just general bad behavior. Maybe they were fired out cause they can't show up, don't follow rules, have attitude etc. This is a minority. But again. Meh.

As always. YMMV.

There appears to be a whole another scene here with freelancers going to disco like High Society and I've read good things about it. Dunno. I've never tried it.

Having lived here 10 years I have a phone full of numbers. If I want to shag I call someone over. If I go to bars it's to talk with friend, get drunk, or cause a mamasan has texted me there's a new girl starting.

Would be curious to hear where you're pulling your girls from. If it's the corner of Raymond and Fields area. Good luck.

Member #4360
10-23-15, 07:59
More importantly it may depend on who YOU are. Maybe you are talking about guys who disgust the women so that if he is not given much extra then she wants nothing to do with him. There are many guys who can attest to not giving a girl a tip yet the girl is steadily blowing his phone up wondering when she can come back. So if you have been living there longer than I have been going there you should definitely know better! I know several guys who live in AC and I will swear that not one of them would dare give a chick a 500 peso tip. 1000 should not even be mentioned.Sure.

My (live out) housemaid has been shacked up with a 50 yo guy for the last two weeks. He wanted to see the province so she took him (he paid the bus) and stayed for free at her parents house.

He regularly calls her over to take photos of him while he shags bar girls etc. When I inquired how much he gives her for a tip she always says 'nothing'.

She spends her own money on trike, and spend four or five nights a week with him. He pays her dinner and breakfast.

Turns out he's been coming to town since February off and on doing this. Not a cent, farthing or pound.

You could say this guy is getting a great deal. Free sex. She's not complaining to him (but in tears to me). She's playing the long-game hoping that something works out and she will have a relationship / support.

She doesn't like the sex (lesbian).

I know plenty of guys who don't tip anything. Or at most trike. Good for them. It takes all kinds.

I have a bit of money, big house, and I'm an ugly old fat brute. So any young gal that has to suffer through seeing my fat arse naked and humping on top of her deserves a little bit of dosh I think.

I have friends that tip 5 k a night or 5 k and a phone. How people spend their money is their own business.

I was just telling the other poster that 3 k is excessive (above norm) you're telling me 500-1 k is excessive and above the norm (for you). Cool.

For me. I find that if you tip nothing the girls aren't loving to go with you, or giving you great service. At least not the 19 yo spinners. Certainly you don't get access over other guys that do tip.

Not saying there aren't exceptions.

500ST and 1 k LT (for good service. As many times as I care to pop) works well for me.

For me value = experience I get, experience I can give etc. Not just a dollar value. Certainly don't mind spreading for what I feel is good service, attitude and availability.

Peace.

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WestCoast1
10-24-15, 02:01
If you take a girl LT now and give her no tip can pretty much guarantee she will not want to go with you again, and worst she will tell the other girls in her bar you suck as well.What would be the harm in that?

JustTK
10-24-15, 04:06
What would be the harm in that?Exactly! If she's rubbish, she's rubbish. I'm not going to pay her extra for crap service. And it's good that the other staff know she was rubbish too!

WestCoast1
10-24-15, 06:38
What would be the harm in that?


Exactly! If she's rubbish, she's rubbish. I'm not going to pay her extra for crap service. And it's good that the other staff know she was rubbish too!I was thinking differently. The entire concept of AC / Patts is that there are a kazillion girls. One could always re-take a quality performer (have done it myself), but the last thing on my mind when turning loose a quality performer is taking her again. Too many other pleasant flowers in the field to consider: I prefer to approach the box of chocolates from Forrest Gump's point of view - *every* time. If I hit the bars and don't find something new to my liking, its very possible I might go hit up last night's quality performer. Haha heaven forbid she might think me stingy. I wouldn't care if she didn't go with me for any reason.

Mr Enternational
10-24-15, 07:00
I am the same way. Variety is the spice of life. If I wanted to do a chick twice then I would just get a girlfriend. When I meet them I introduce myself as Mister Cheap Charlie / Mr Kuripot / Khun Keeneeow / Señor Tacaño / Senhor Pão Duro. So there is no shame in my game.

Mogwai
10-24-15, 07:33
Would be curious to hear where you're pulling your girls from. If it's the corner of Raymond and Fields area. Good luck.I'm picking up my girls in Walking Street most of the time. They hang around near Kokomos or High Society or just walk up and down the street. Quite a few of them visit High Society later on after midnight (I'm not a night owl, I usually try to find a girl before 10 PM). I don't go to Raymond or further down Fields towards Margarita Station. The quality is much lower there in my experience and some of my regulars have warned me not to pick up girls there.

So far I've never had any problems. But I'm an experienced monger (20+ years) and I've picked up SW's and FL's in Romania, Czech Republic, Thailand and Cambodia as well. I know the drill and I think I can tell when a girl is 'bad'. Although I'm very well aware that you can never be sure about that.

Furthermore I like to 'pick up' girls using Line and WeChat. Back in February / March I wrote some FR's about that in this thread.

JjBee62
10-24-15, 16:26
Exactly! If she's rubbish, she's rubbish. I'm not going to pay her extra for crap service. And it's good that the other staff know she was rubbish too!But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. All they will hear is that you didn't tip. If it's a place you frequent, soon that's your reputation. Unless you've already established a rep as a good tipper for superior service.

On the one hand, you save a bit, but you are more likely to get poor performance. On the other hand, you spend more, but the girlsame are more likely to try and earn that tip.

Little Boy
10-25-15, 01:14
Its raw, dirty, fun, and ending.

Raw? Because it still hasn't been tamed by the Japanese, Koreans, and The Chinese. Yes you do see them Yes you see how they cater for them. But its not safe enough for them to come and travel in mass drones. Place still has that early 2000 Bangkok feel smell LOL and price. *side note* They still do public crucifixion on Easter yearly so old traditions are still alive and thriving / mindset *.

Dirty? Damm right LOL because the roads and side walks are just shit I felt like I was back in Iraq or Afghanistan. The whole city I feel has really never recovered since you. S military base shutdown plus the volcanic eruption. Find it funny when I'm smelling wonderful street food and raw sewage at the same time just a plan out buzz kill. *side note* not always true but happened one to many times just always exploring trying something new* With as many girls I have seen the amount of bareback that was offered was scary 29 out of 30.

Fun? You have a more than Strumpets, Harlots and just plan out sexy bar girls. There is a Volcano with hot springs in the area to get out of town for the day, jeep ride to the volcano and other stuff. Malls lots of endless Asian mall feeling of shopping. Casino hmmm really convinced casino Filipino rigged like badly. *side note* I Do card counting and stuff just doesn't add up walkout with 42,000 pesos but felt like a miracle and looks like they have there own goonies walking around and jumping into games and watching you just seemed off. There is a lot of different kinds of foods to enjoy not all Filipino is bad for you just watch how they cook it.

Ending? I feel like they are slowly getting ready to push out the Western people in the sense more catering for Asian groups and pricing. When talking to one of the bar owners thoughts he says simple they buys drinks, don't argue about the price and profit, money and surviving Cops are slowly hammering it away one day at a time. So enjoy it because won't be this easy for long.

Sweet tips I wish I would have saw on the blog.

Yes means no and No means Yes = Bargain stick your guns out they will take you for a sucker.

Devera Hotel = Roach motel I am so pissed I stayed here. Had to sleep with the lights on with the amount of Roaches = Me being sick. Bugs don't bug me even one or two Roaches but Roaches on the epic level do. Went to Penthouse and no issues.

Cell phone= When going bar / club just ask for the girls numbers. Saves you money and they are more motivated to work hard around you.

Questions= Are great when seeing how the girls is, are or because you will get a fish.

JustTK
10-25-15, 15:01
But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. All they will hear is that you didn't tip. If it's a place you frequent, soon that's your reputation. Unless you've already established a rep as a good tipper for superior service.

On the one hand, you save a bit, but you are more likely to get poor performance. On the other hand, you spend more, but the girlsame are more likely to try and earn that tip.You seriously reckon you get better service for good tipping?

You have a screw loose. You pay your money. The girl is rubbish, I don't tip her, it's nothng to do with her desire fior me, she is just rubbish. I don't need a rep as a good tipper, I'm interesting enough without needing to buy street rep. Ha, let's see. I'm not worried about savig money, more about doing the right thing.

WestCoast1
10-25-15, 16:32
But that's not what the other staff is going to hear. Who cares? I'm not saying the girl is rubbish, as the other gent is saying. I'm saying there are better ways of getting repeats than to re-barfine. You can easily convince solid performers, or stunners (maybe you don't care about the performance if she's a stunner), to re-visit you without barfining them again. Countless AC beauties that I've posted in the Photogallery in the past are (multiple) repeat performers, yet I gave them either p50 for tryke tip, or *nothing* (I just walk them back to their bar, or bought them a p99 breakfast). Certainly they are not returning because I'm a great lover.

Little Boy: Good FR.

JjBee62
10-25-15, 18:51
You seriously reckon you get better service for good tipping?

You have a screw loose. You pay your money. The girl is rubbish, I don't tip her, it's nothng to do with her desire fior me, she is just rubbish. I don't need a rep as a good tipper, I'm interesting enough without needing to buy street rep. Ha, let's see. I'm not worried about savig money, more about doing the right thing.Yes, if it's a business I visit regularly, tipping a reasonable amount, consistently, gets me better service, especially when combined with treating people right. That doesn't mean throwing money around, but if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation.

Is that wrong? Over the years I've accumulated a lot of first and second hand service experience. I've seen and heard all the stories about bad customers, and I realize that whether waiting tables or giving BJs, the women put up with a lot of crap. If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.

Member #4360
10-25-15, 19:13
Who cares? I'm not saying the girl is rubbish, as the other gent is saying. I'm saying there are better ways of getting repeats than to re-barfine. You can easily convince solid performers, or stunners (maybe you don't care about the performance if she's a stunner), to re-visit you without barfining them again. Countless AC beauties that I've posted in the Photogallery in the past are (multiple) repeat performers, yet I gave them either p50 for tryke tip, or *nothing* (I just walk them back to their bar, or bought them a p99 breakfast). Certainly they are not returning because I'm a great lover.

Little Boy: Good FR.Not aimed specifically at you.

Tipping for the oldest profession is surely one of the oldest debates (and maybe one of the biggest circle-jerks). I humbly admit I started it when I advised the guy who took the freelancer from the corner for 3,000 that he was paying too much dosh.

If I could take it back I would. He seems to feel he got good value for his peso. So more power to him!

It's a debate that never goes anywhere because every guy has his own strategy, believes (for god and country) that he is the only wise one, has found the sweet spot and everyone else's spending habits are foolish.

Meh.

On a personal note, I've never understood guys that get off, or are proud at how little they are able to pay for farm-girl pussy, they wear it like a badge of honor.

To me it just seems low class and rather sad to brag about paying girls nothing for their service or how you got laid for an egg sandwich or something. In my (again: humble) experience none of these girls.

A) are rich and doing this for fun.

B) wake up, yawn, stretch their arms and say to themselves. MAN I hope I get to fuck a 45 yo fat white guy with SML breath today just for the sheer pleasure of getting pounded like Video Box porn star.

Instead most girls are here fucking, to make some money. And white guys obviously have some (hey they're foreigners). So YEAH, they may give you some free sex either playing the long game or hoping that you'll do the right thing and pay them for their efforts.

However this might be the second oldest debate. Because you can never convince a cheap dude that he's being cheap and dishonest because they invariably believe they're still young and handsome and that's why they're getting play.

If I sit down at a restaurant I pay for my meal, if I take a taxi I don't leap out at the stoplight and run, if I shag a hooker I pay her a fair price.

Going on about how cheaply you got the fuck often just shows what a cheap guy you are.

The thing about being cheap with girls in a poor country like the PI. Is it invariably will bite you in the ass. And that money you saved will look like a bargain in retrospect.

I'm not advising to rain money, buy cellphones, pay support, put her on a pedestal for having a twat. I just think it's good to play fair.

Blanquiceleste
10-26-15, 01:28
That doesn't mean throwing money around, but if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation.

If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.I agree 100%.

Politeness costs nothing, a word of thanks and a pleasant smile can go a long way. I do not tip with the expectation of building a reputation but I do so simply because I appreciate the service. Sometimes the service is poor and consequently my tip is less than generous and I make sure I give that feedback while handing over the tip. Likewise when the service is good I tip well. In AC I think P500 is a considered a healthy tip, its around 15% of the average BF in a good club like Atlantis or Dollhouse. At Perimeter where the BF is lower, P500 can be as high as 25% of average BF.

Several times I have revisited a bar where I had picked a girl and tipped her well. The word certainly gets around and I enjoy that attention.

On a more philosophical note, I have this theory. I am not going to build the Eiffel Tower with all the tip money I will save in life, so what the heck!

Dg8787
10-26-15, 03:29
What's funny too, is some financial savvy posters have tried to compare the increased cost of pussy or BF to the Cost of Living index. Last time I looked the cost of pussy was not an item tracked in the index. Milk and bread was. Pussy? No!

By all means I do not over pay and I do not under pay. I do have a different pocket for contributions. The other day an AC girl texted me to come see her because she needed some money to repair her 90 yo grandmother's typhoon damaged roof in the province. I have known her for about a year and she has never BS me or asked me for extra money. The roof repair was about 2 k and GM needed a sack of rice. I had left AC and was in a province and headed for Manila so I just decided to send a 4 k contribution to GM. Foolish? I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

A month ago an AC girl texted me if I could bring a certain brand tablet with me when I came. It cost about 7 k in the USA And almost 10-11 k in Phils (38% import tax). I said sure. Credit me 7 pops for it. Sure enough the first night I was in AC I collected 3 pops and handed her the tablet. And on two other nights the other 4 pops. Btw, all 7 pops were like never before with long bbbj. Foolish?

At the moment I am in Manila waiting for one of my best fucks to commute from AC on her day off to give me a send off that I will never forget. And I only BF her a week ago. Priceless!

I am not a young handsome guy. I do not go overboard. I just treat them decent. Thanks to the cheap Charlie's for setting a low hurdle.

JustTK
10-26-15, 04:24
... if I'm treated right, I will usually show my appreciation. Is that wrong? Over the years I've accumulated a lot of first and second hand service experience. I've seen and heard all the stories about bad customers, and I realize that whether waiting tables or giving BJs, the women put up with a lot of crap. If someone rocks my world, I think a thanks and a few dollars is reasonable.Yes, I agree with that, fair enough. But that is not the same as getting better service for a good tip.

I find it hard to believe that this logic will go thru a girl's mind: "ah, I remember this guy, he gave me a few hundred pesos last time as a tip, I think I'll give him a bit of deep throat or some anal rimming this time around. ".

IMNSHO, a girl is into you or she isn't, she's experienced and is a good performer or she isn't. The two can be related.

So many times, I have pulled girls first time from bars and they have been lousy. They should be paying me, not the other way round. They just have no experience or no idea of how to provide a good time. This is first time I pulled them so it has nothing to do with performance based on tipping. They are just plain rubbish. This is my point really, their performance is not based on tips, it's based on their ability and whether they fancy you or not.

JustTK
10-26-15, 04:31
On another note, how do experienced guys here rate the value or money one gets in AC compared to other places like Ptya?

I started visiting AC when bar fines were P 1,200-1,400. Now it's often P 3,000 - same price as Puerto Galera (which I stopped visiting because I think it is too expensive).

Far too often, I find the girls in AC lack experience and ability. And often want to go home after an hour in bed.

This is why I prefer the short time bars in AC (which there are far too few of) - at least you get some value for money. Or the bars in Perimeter or Subic.

Compared to Pattaya, the prices are now more expensive than for Ptya bar girls (though not go-go girls). But most often, I find the service in Pattaya is far superior.

The bars (and local authorities?) in AC are very greedy.

JjBee62
10-26-15, 04:54
So many times, I have pulled girls first time from bars and they have been lousy. They should be paying me, not the other way round. They just have no experience or no idea of how to provide a good time. This is first time I pulled them so it has nothing to do with performance based on tipping. They are just plain rubbish. This is my point really, their performance is not based on tips, it's based on their ability and whether they fancy you or not.We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.

Sxxxx
10-26-15, 05:09
Overall tourist monger numbers down, think it has something to do with Typhoon talk. Some heavy winds and rain in afternoon, but everything settling down by now.

Stardust had the Manila show girls, but different to earlier in the year. Not quite so good, too serious, actually. Bikini girls were better this time around. Reasonable monger attendance.

Roadhouse reported earlier by Lancelot was very ordinary, and that Melanie girl no longer works there. If you request rock and roll you get stuff out of the 50's, Bill Haley etc. I told DJ, the people who request that kind of music are already dead. No matter, he carried on with music 60,70 yrs old, LOL. Girls are of a 5 standard. Angelwitch next door is worth giving a miss.

Dollhouse was good for me, happened to pick the right girl, smiley, cheerful, energetic. Atlantis, walked in walked out, same motion.

Vikings, still lots of girls, very few customers, saw only 2 foreigners on my side of the boat (entrance side). No customers, the girls looked hungry, time to pounce.

Guy says on here he picks up in front of Kokomo's, and yes that is where the Ladyboys hang out. Koko's and Margarita Station still the staple food for me.

Honest Trike Driver? I found one. Left my bag in trike, $2500 of valuables inside it. Two minutes later he is back to return bag and full contents.

For me, Angeles has lost its zing. Has served me well in the past though. Cebu next.

Dg8787
10-26-15, 05:20
We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.I don't think it drifted away. Just fell on some deaf ears so to speak. We all live in different realms and realities. What's real for you or me may not be real for someone else or vise versa.

Member #4360
10-26-15, 05:29
On another note, how do experienced guys here rate the value or money one gets in AC compared to other places like Ptya?

I started visiting AC when bar fines were P 1,200-1,400. Now it's often P 3,000 - same price as Puerto Galera (which I stopped visiting because I think it is too expensive).

Far too often, I find the girls in AC lack experience and ability. And often want to go home after an hour in bed.

This is why I prefer the short time bars in AC (which there are far too few of) - at least you get some value for money. Or the bars in Perimeter or Subic.

Compared to Pattaya, the prices are now more expensive than for Ptya bar girls (though not go-go girls). But most often, I find the service in Pattaya is far superior.

The bars (and local authorities?) in AC are very greedy.Well the prices have raised (crazily far beyond inflation) in both places.

Because everyone seems to have different opinions on what's normal. Using this price quote about Thailand (2015):

"500-1,000 Baht for bar fine (most places around 600 Baht), 2,000-3,000 Baht for short time, 3,000-5,000 Baht for long time.

Especially the price you ask the girl is negotiable of course but these are the current standard rates".

I think this quote may be more geared towards BKK, but let's roll with it.

For AC I'm using:

Low end barfine (avg) 2 k, high end 3 k.

ST tip: 500, LT tip: 1,000 (so if you tip less. Subtract).

Thailand.

ST: $73 - $101.

LT: $130 - 158.

AC.

ST: $54 - $75.

LT: $64 - $86.

So, believe that AC is still cheaper. But both countries have different things going for them. A few that come immediately to mind:

PI:

- If you're into bareback this is still one of only places to be for no hassle BB.

- LT 'girlfriend' is still (often) real GFE.

- getting numbers and having girls over later without the barfine (only tip) is extremely easy thus lowering cost tremendously.

- still possible to party in a few bars with a bit of nudity and naughtiness (body shots / pussy shots) but a ghost of what it used to be / almost gone.

TH:

- MUCH better selection of options; short time brothels (like Soi 6), many blow job bars, better freelancer scene, beer bars, a-go-go, hotel girl etc.

- Much harder to get BB, but if it fails you're only out your barfine not your tip.

- Many girls naked so much better eye Viagra.

- I rarely get any true GFE in TH these days (maybe cause I just visit) by the time I let out my last orgasm-gasp she's dressed and at the elevator door.

I (like you) prefer ST brothels. You go in, pays your money, have good raw sex and go about your business. No scams or waffling. Those are getting far less available in PI.

Also to factor in. Is what it costs to get you to get the girl out of the bar, and what it takes to get her out of the bar.

For me. I typically like to get a bit sloshed and have a party. Much cheaper in the PI if you bring a few girls down and drink first than Thailand with their ridiculously small ladies drinks, rules that make the girls leave the table to go dance and different 'party' styles.

In TH they will just grab clothes and go shag, in PI I often feel I have to show them I'm a nice guy, sit and BS for awhile to get them to 'warm up' and agree to come back.

Koreans prove me wrong on this last count as they seem to be able to go in and point and leave with gal. Guess it's all about expectations?

WestCoast1
10-26-15, 06:18
We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.I understand it. However we have different (and legitimate) approaches. I prefer to be inside any one bar as little as possible. No kidding, I prefer to be in / out with my barfine in 5-6 minutes. I don't want anyone in the bar to remember me (positively or negatively), other than I hope the experience is somewhat positive for the girl that I barfine. My success on subsequent nights is not dependent on what tonight's barfine thinks of me. Hence my reply of "Who cares"? There is much more to this system than I'm giving away here. However, a girl who barfines with me and then either pimpettes for me, or returns later for ST's, will do better peso-wise under my system than if she repeat barfines with me. And so will her friends (bargirl or non-bargirl).

Amjeck
10-26-15, 07:15
Or get numbers from girls in bars to meet after work or the next day.

I've found that this approach is getting much harder with the upper tier girls. This used to be super easy along with pay the initial barfine then get the sneak outs after that indefinitely. Now the girls are saying "pay the bar every time if you want me"?

JustTK
10-26-15, 07:21
We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.Making different points really. And admittedly I'm not the best listener when I want to make my own point. So apologies for that. .

Mogwai
10-26-15, 09:08
We've drifted away from the original subject. The point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that good or bad, the girls will likely talk about you. If you take a girl out and both of you have a great time, it won't be long until at least some other girls in the bar are trying to get your attention. On the other hand, if she comes back complaining about the session, you're probably going to draw less attention.And also be aware that a lot of girls have friends and relatives working all around Fields, as bar girl, waitress, door man, mamasan, hotel maid, hotel security guard, etc. etc. When you've been walking around for a couple of days or weeks they all know you and talk about you. Angeles may be a big city but the bar scene is very small.

Blanquiceleste
10-26-15, 13:23
IMNSHO, a girl is into you or she isn't,

So many times, I have pulled girls first time from bars and they have been lousy. Evidently the girls you pulled weren't much into you? The same girl may have rocked someone else's world!

Blanquiceleste
10-26-15, 13:39
Thailand.

ST: $73 - $101.

LT: $130 - 158.

AC.

ST: $54 - $75.

LT: $64 - $86.

So, believe that AC is still cheaper. But both countries have different things going for them. A few that come immediately to mind:

Excellent, objective analysis of the two favorite destinations in SEA. Thanks for this. I would like to add a couple of variable to this and help develop the objectivity -.

1. Flights. BKK is much better connected with mutiple flights into BKK & DMK. MNL & CRK on the other hand are terrible airports. Scams at the airport is a subjective matter so I will let that pass.

2. Infrastructure. Thailand wins hands down. No question here. The roads are MUCH better and the connectivity in the city is great. The Thais are generally more honest too, but that is again subjective.

3. Transportation. Try getting a good private taxi from Manila to AC and you will know what I am talking about. Thailand is a breeze in comparison.

4. Food. Again, I don't need to hard sell this one. Better tasting, more hygienic, cheaper, and readily available.

5. Hi End Party destinations. Both BKK & MNL have their share of good discos & clubs. But compare Pattaya to Angeles and we have a winner in Pattaya.

So for me Thailand will always remain the gold standard. But then pinay pussy is much more interesting! LOL.

Yuri
10-26-15, 18:42
I always love coming to Angeles City. Great place to visit and inexpensive.

I stayed at the Red Planet hotel which is a good 3000 meters from the Fields avenue, and I would NOT recommend you walk alone in that neighborhood at night. Angeles City is like any place in the world, and crime is there, you will need some common sense to avoid it. However, there is a convenient Jeepney service at 8 Peso a ride that you can take to the main area. I began to really like the Jeepney service a lot from the hotel to the downtown. The regular scooter people will charge you 100 peso. Red Planet was good value for the money.

Bars:

I liked Labamba on fields avenue. For one price, you get the girl and the other fees. Most of the bars are like that where the combination of other fees and the girls time will range between 2100-3000 peso depending on the place. Compare to Makati or Edsa in Manila where there is a 3000 Bar fine PLUS the girls fees, Angeles is a real bargain!

As a word of advise, I noticed that the places getting raid are those who accept the girls ages as low as 18. Places not getting raided have a policy where the min. Girl's age need to be 20 years old.

Angeles City is nice, but is third world. Just use your common sense.

JustTK
10-27-15, 08:56
Using this price quote about Thailand (2015):

"500-1,000 Baht for bar fine (most places around 600 Baht), 2,000-3,000 Baht for short time, 3,000-5,000 Baht for long time.

Especially the price you ask the girl is negotiable of course but these are the current standard rates".

I think this quote may be more geared towards BKK, but let's roll with it.

For AC I'm using:

Low end barfine (avg) 2 k, high end 3 k.

ST tip: 500, LT tip: 1,000 (so if you tip less. Subtract).

Thailand.

ST: $73 - $101.

LT: $130 - 158.

AC.

ST: $54 - $75.

LT: $64 - $86.
Agree with much of what you said, especially the sometimes protracted necessary 'foreplay' involved to get some girls out of bars in PI. :)

But as for costs. You are comparing BKK prices to AC. I was talking about Ptya vs AC. TBF you should compare BKK to MNL (if you want), and Ptya to AC.

Cost of bar girl in Ptya. Bar fine is be 2-300, ST. Be 800-1,000, LT 1,000-1,500 (admittedly go-go girls are more expensive, but I am not trying to claim that go-go girls are cheaper.).

So in Ptya ST is US $ 30-40, plus whatever tip and drinks you want to buy.

LT is US $ 35-50, plus your expenses for night out.

So when you compare like with like, Ptya is much cheaper for bar girls than in AC.

JustTK
10-27-15, 09:00
Evidently the girls you pulled weren't much into you? The same girl may have rocked someone else's world!Are you claiming that all girls are very able in bed then? I'm saying many of them are not, doesn't matter if they are into you or not. Generally because they are very young and / or inexperienced.

JustTK
10-27-15, 09:03
If this forum had a "like" button to show you like someone else's comments? . And maybe a "don't like" just to balance things up. .

Mogwai
10-27-15, 09:20
Guy says on here he picks up in front of Kokomo's, and yes that is where the Ladyboys hang out. If you are referring to my post #17412: there are also real ladies hanging out in front of Kokomo's. And yes, I'm very sure they are 100% lady and always have been a lady!

Mogwai
10-27-15, 09:54
Cost of bar girl in Ptya. Bar fine is be 2-300, ST. Be 800-1,000, LT 1,000-1,500 (admittedly go-go girls are more expensive, but I am not trying to claim that go-go girls are cheaper.).

So in Ptya ST is US $ 30-40, plus whatever tip and drinks you want to buy.

LT is US $ 35-50, plus your expenses for night out.

So when you compare like with like, Ptya is much cheaper for bar girls than in AC.It seems to me you are comparing Pattaya beer bar girls to AC go-go girls and that is not a fair comparison. AC doesn't have much beer bars. I think you can only qualify Perimeter bars as beer bars. The bars on Fields are all go-go bars.

By the way: the prices you quote for Pattaya bar girls are way too low. When was the last time you were there?

Blanquiceleste
10-27-15, 10:34
Now the girls are saying "pay the bar every time if you want me"?


Angeles may be a big city but the bar scene is very small.I refer to the point Mogwai made about the bar scene in Angeles being quite tightly connected. It works all ways. The girls who did a bit of moonlighting may have got found out and possibly dealt with in an exemplary manner that now discourages the others from doing the same.

Blanquiceleste
10-27-15, 10:42
If this forum had a "like" button to show you like someone else's comments? . And maybe a "don't like" just to balance things up. .Where is that LIKE button now? Great idea.

JustTK
10-27-15, 11:29
It seems to me you are comparing Pattaya beer bar girls to AC go-go girls and that is not a fair comparison. AC doesn't have much beer bars. I think you can only qualify Perimeter bars as beer bars. The bars on Fields are all go-go bars.

By the way: the prices you quote for Pattaya bar girls are way too low. When was the last time you were there?1 week ago. That's what I pay. Always have the past 15 years. .

Yes, I'm comparing Ptya beer bars to AC clubs. Because they are fundamentally the same thing in terms of them being the most popular place to pick up for foreigners. They are "the bread and butter" of each place, so to speak, where most guys (and girls) hang out, including I.

I'd say it's probably fair to compare Ptya go-gos to spotlight dancers in AC.

Mogwai
10-27-15, 12:04
1 week ago. That's what I pay. Always have the past 15 years. .

Yes, I'm comparing Ptya beer bars to AC clubs. Because they are fundamentally the same thing in terms of them being the most popular place to pick up for foreigners. They are "the bread and butter" of each place, so to speak, where most guys (and girls) hang out, including I.

I'd say it's probably fair to compare Ptya go-gos to spotlight dancers in AC.You have a point there.

However most guys will pay around 1000-1500 Baht for ST and 2000-2500 for LT in Pattaya. Plus the bar fine ranging from 300 to 700.
If you pay only 200-300 BF then I guess you visit the smaller and less popular bars.

Pantot
10-27-15, 12:12
And also be aware that a lot of girls have friends and relatives working all around Fields, as bar girl, waitress, door man, mamasan, hotel maid, hotel security guard, etc. etc. When you've been walking around for a couple of days or weeks they all know you and talk about you. Angeles may be a big city but the bar scene is very small.This is an extreme simplification and for guys who haven't been there its misleading. The turnover in angeles is tremendous. If you are after an hardened prostitute experience there may be some connection between bars. She will have relatives everywhere only if she is pampangan and the vast majortiy are not most are visayan.

My #1 advice is to ask what's your province? And how long have you been in angeles? If the answer is pampangan the local people then stay away by all means. Also if they have been there for 6 months to year or more then you will get a less GFE.

If you actually live there you may get a reputation of course. But if you swoop in for a couple of days or even weeks like you say you won't make an impression unless you are wearing an Elvis costume. They have an uncanny ability to remember you within individual bars even months later but its not like some coconut telegraph between bars.

I've been dropping in for 10+ years for a few days to a week multiple times a year and I have zero Fields reputation. The number of bars has exploded in recent years. When was the last time you were there? Your advice seems very outdated or the jaded view of an expat living there at best.

Christian G
10-27-15, 12:43
You have a point there.

However most guys will pay around 1000-1500 Baht for ST and 2000-2500 for LT in Pattaya. Plus the bar fine ranging from 300 to 700.
If you pay only 200-300 BF then I guess you visit the smaller and less popular bars.200 baht BF in Pattaya's bars I found only in a few bars in the darkside area. I'm curious to know which bar in Pattaya City have 200 baht BF. Usually 200 baht is the price for 1 HR oil massage in a small massage shops around soi buakhao, soi honey and soi chaiyapoon but I don't know if this shops have a same price for outcall massage in your room.
For ST and LT price it all depends where you pick up the girl...

JustTK
10-27-15, 13:18
200 baht BF in Pattaya's bars I found only in a few bars in the darkside area. I'm curious to know which bar in Pattaya City have 200 baht BF. Usually 200 baht is the price for 1 HR oil massage in a small massage shops around soi buakhao, soi honey and soi chaiyapoon but I don't know if this shops have a same price for outcall massage in your room.
For ST and LT price it all depends where you pick up the girl...Be 2-300 fine. Yeah, any bar not on walking street (just full full Chinese group tours and Indian families these days) - don't see the attraction of that place at all. Also all bars on Soi 6 - fine / room / the bar's cut (call it what you will) is be 2-300.

JustTK
10-27-15, 13:20
You have a point there.

However most guys will pay around 1000-1500 Baht for ST and 2000-2500 for LT in Pattaya. Plus the bar fine ranging from 300 to 700.
If you pay only 200-300 BF then I guess you visit the smaller and less popular bars.If you're telling me that's the price on Walking Street, then that's another reason not to bother with that. .

I'm sure you know though, that the rate is not exactly fixed. Most times, I'm told "it's up to you", which I often take most literally. .

Christian G
10-27-15, 15:02
Be 2-300 fine. Yeah, any bar not on walking street (just full full Chinese group tours and Indian families these days) - don't see the attraction of that place at all. Also all bars on Soi 6 - fine / room / the bar's cut (call it what you will) is be 2-300.In soi6 is 300/350 baht. I never found one bar have 200 BF in soi6! Also in soi6 this is the price for use the room upstair. If you want have a ST in your hotel room many bar will ask you for a more expensive BF for take away.

X Man
10-27-15, 16:20
Just a quick clarification. There is a "downtown" Angeles city and it is quite far from the Perimeter / Fields Avenue playground. Fields area / Walking street is the the main entertainment area of Balibago (part of AC). I think what Yuri is telling us is that the Perimeter jeepneys will cheaply take you from the Perimeter area into pleasure central. But it's not "downtown".

Another potential point of confusion is that Perimeter and Fields may be different areas with different vibes, but they are actually the same stretch of hot concrete and asphalt.

AC Wayne's Map (google is your friend) shows the divide between Perimeter and Fields to be Near Lewis Grand and Phoenix Hotel. That surprises me because I always thought "perimeter" started where the Main Gate of the old base started. Perimeter fence, which is still there. That is about at Pony Tails which is also near the jeepney terminal.


I always love coming to Angeles City. Great place to visit and inexpensive.

I stayed at the Red Planet hotel which is a good 3000 meters from the Fields avenue, and I would NOT recommend you walk alone in that neighborhood at night. Angeles City is like any place in the world, and crime is there, you will need some common sense to avoid it. However, there is a convenient Jeepney service at 8 Peso a ride that you can take to the main area. I began to really like the Jeepney service a lot from the hotel to the downtown. The regular scooter people will charge you 100 peso. Red Planet was good value for the money.

Bars:

I liked Labamba on fields avenue. For one price, you get the girl and the other fees. Most of the bars are like that where the combination of other fees and the girls time will range between 2100-3000 peso depending on the place. Compare to Makati or Edsa in Manila where there is a 3000 Bar fine PLUS the girls fees, Angeles is a real bargain!

As a word of advise, I noticed that the places getting raid are those who accept the girls ages as low as 18. Places not getting raided have a policy where the min. Girl's age need to be 20 years old.

Angeles City is nice, but is third world. Just use your common sense.

Mogwai
10-28-15, 08:43
If you're telling me that's the price on Walking Street, then that's another reason not to bother with that. .

I'm sure you know though, that the rate is not exactly fixed. Most times, I'm told "it's up to you", which I often take most literally. .I've never heard before that the bar fine is 'up to you'. The rate for the girl yes, but the bar fine?

Anyway, I don't visit the bars very much anymore and certainly not in Walking Street. But I know from the reports in the Pattaya thread that the bar fines range from 300 to 700 baht. I guess that's the range all over Pattaya and it's very well possible that the majority is closer to 300 than to 700.

Mogwai
10-28-15, 09:55
This is an extreme simplification and for guys who haven't been there its misleading. The turnover in angeles is tremendous. If you are after an hardened prostitute experience there may be some connection between bars. She will have relatives everywhere only if she is pampangan and the vast majortiy are not most are visayan.OK, I agree it's a simplification. I guess it's colored because I pick up my girls from the streets or through internet most of the time and quite a lot of them are Pampangan.
Although even the Visayan girls in the bars often have relatives and friends working in the Fields area. But usually not as much as the locals.



My #1 advice is to ask what's your province? And how long have you been in angeles? If the answer is pampangan the local people then stay away by all means. Also if they have been there for 6 months to year or more then you will get a less GFE.So far I've not had any reasons to stay away from local girls. Some of my regulars are local and they are all great girls.



If you actually live there you may get a reputation of course. But if you swoop in for a couple of days or even weeks like you say you won't make an impression unless you are wearing an Elvis costume. They have an uncanny ability to remember you within individual bars even months later but its not like some coconut telegraph between bars.
I've been dropping in for 10+ years for a few days to a week multiple times a year and I have zero Fields reputation. The number of bars has exploded in recent years. You've been dropping in for TEN+ years for a few days to a week MULTIPLE times a year and you THINK you have zero reputation? You would be surprised if you knew how much they talk about you. Certainly if you stay in the same hotel and visit the same places all the time. However you will not notice it most of the time, it's all done behind your back. And not in English but in Tagalog or some dialect of course.
The girl who just gave you a great time in your room asks the door men (she knows him well because she has customers in your hotel quite often) on her way out what kind of guy you are, how many girls you bring in every day, how pretty they are, and if you also bring in lady boys. Just an example.



When was the last time you were there? Your advice seems very outdated or the jaded view of an expat living there at best.The last 3 times were 18 months, 7 months and 1 month ago. And no, I'm not living there.

Mogwai
10-28-15, 10:11
I've never heard before that the bar fine is 'up to you'. The rate for the girl yes, but the bar fine?

Anyway, I don't visit the bars very much anymore and certainly not in Walking Street. But I know from the reports in the Pattaya thread that the bar fines range from 300 to 700 baht. I guess that's the range all over Pattaya and it's very well possible that the majority is closer to 300 than to 700.Correction JustTK, forget about my reply above! I didn't read your post very well.

I don't visit the bars very much anymore and certainly not the ripp offs in Walking Street. But I know from the reports in the Pattaya thread that most guys pay the amounts I mentioned.
But if you pay much less when they say 'up to you' and you get away with it, that's fine with me my friend.

D Cups
10-28-15, 15:05
Hi Guys, I just returned from 3 days in AC and 2 in Subic (bookended by Manila, Cebu, Jakarta and Bali). Voodoo continues to be the ST provider of choice for the early riser like me as they are open 24/7. There are some cute busties in there. By busty I mean 32 B which is about as busty as you're going to get in the PI (with rare exception). Was swarmed by 5 - 6 cuties groping and kissing me all over so wear shorts with easy access for public fun haha. Decided a ST with Aiza who was fun and would recommend. Later that evening took a nice one named Luz, another 32 B, from Music and (something) further down walking street who spent the night. The other two days were spent with DIAs. One turned out to be a really good find -- an insatiable spinner. The other one chubbed out since her pic on DIA but still gave me a nice professional massage. Had some good meals at the Swiss Chalet. Stayed at Orchid Inn Resort -- my prerferred locale in AC. Now for the best part: Subic. Spent two days at Treasure Island (TI) which I highly recommend. There is a floating bar offshore there sponsored by Kokomos and the girls are great. 1. 5 K short time or 2 K all night. I barfined two girls on separate occasions and they were super nice. On the second occasion I took them both. While dining with them at TI, the sister of one one of them showed up with a girlfriend and somehow the five of us wound up in bed together! I paid the two extra girls 500 P each and it was well worth it. TI Room 2 has a horizontal mirror next to the bed for additional viewing enjoyment. This is a first for me and I will definitely be going back there (next March). Also went to bikini contest on the strip; and a bar called The Office which was fun. For more details or pics feel free to PM me.

NapaSlapper
10-28-15, 16:41
Not heard of 200 baht barfines in pattaya but many open bars have 300 baht barfines.

Soi six is 300 baht for use of room upstairs, clean towels, soap, the 300 baht is not a barfine, girl cost is 700 baht for 1 hour.

Yes some walking street gogo bars quote 500/700/1000 baht barfines and girls quote 2000/3000 baht for their services but who cares.

All pattaya bargirls / gogo girls are available to meet during the day out shopping at the malls / eating. Walking etc.

At night after their shift finishes the girls can be found in the discos of pattaya.

All girls are available on their own time away from their bars/gogos with no barfine plus 1000 baht st or 1500-2000 baht LT paid directly to the girl.

There is also available thousands of freelance girls 24 hours per day all over pattaya if one so desires.

Pantot
10-28-15, 21:31
OK, I agree it's a simplification. I guess it's colored because I pick up my girls from the streets or through internet most of the time and quite a lot of them are Pampangan.
Although even the Visayan girls in the bars often have relatives and friends working in the Fields area. But usually not as much as the locals.

So far I've not had any reasons to stay away from local girls. Some of my regulars are local and they are all great girls.

You've been dropping in for TEN+ years for a few days to a week MULTIPLE times a year and you THINK you have zero reputation? You would be surprised if you knew how much they talk about you. Certainly if you stay in the same hotel and visit the same places all the time. However you will not notice it most of the time, it's all done behind your back. And not in English but in Tagalog or some dialect of course.
The girl who just gave you a great time in your room asks the door men (she knows him well because she has customers in your hotel quite often) on her way out what kind of guy you are, how many girls you bring in every day, how pretty they are, and if you also bring in lady boys. Just an example.

The last 3 times were 18 months, 7 months and 1 month ago. And no, I'm not living there.No I don't have a reputation. Maybe in two bars presently that's it. We are attracted to different types of girls, since I'm sticking to girls fresh from the province who give me the best GFE. Maybe that's why I don't. I keep in touch with my best barfines especially if they move back to the province where I can visit them later. None have mentioned anything about me being said good bad or indifferent. Also I walk the girls out to the street always since I always treat the girls like they are my date even the occasional barfines that go bad, never heard them engage the doorman. The hotel I stay at is sort of semiprivate small and cheap and they store my bag for me with all my clothes and phils gear so its not always back and forth. The boss isn't going to tolerate them throwing me under the bus and I don't give them a chance to interact with the girls. No girl has ever even heard of the place and even the trike drivers don't know it. I have to tell them another hotel then show them my real destination.

My main problem with the locals comes because I practice horribly unsafe sex. I have only gotten social diseases from street girls or local Pampangan non-bar girls through my local mamasans who bro brought me cousins neighbors etc from Hensonville. None of them work in the bars and they have given me minor troubles over the years, due to angry BF's, my one mamsan getting hooked on Shabu I think. Never picked up the clap from a bargirl fortunately, I'm pretty sure.

Member #4360
10-28-15, 22:26
No I don't have a reputation....Also I walk the girls out to the street always since I always treat the girls like they are my date

My main problem with the locals comes because I practice horribly unsafe sex. I have only gotten social diseases from street girls or local Pampangan non-bar girls through my local mamasans who bro brought me cousins neighbors etc from Hensonville. None of them work in the bars and they have given me minor troubles over the years, due to angry BF's, my one mamsan getting hooked on Shabu I think. Never picked up the clap from a bargirl fortunately, I'm pretty sure.Wow, you do have the problem licked. Walking your girls all the way out the front door. A real lady she must feel like!

Also the downsides you mention, meh. Those don't sound like much, just keep doing what you're doing and don't listen to the haters!

Dg8787
10-29-15, 01:34
There is a separate Pattaya section. Wouldn't want to confuse the newbies with Walking Street in both places.

Would be helpful if future comparison price shopping is done with graphs and charts and conversion rates back to $ for easy understanding. / \ and Salamat.

Mogwai
10-29-15, 09:45
I have only gotten social diseases from street girls or local Pampangan non-bar girls through my local mamasans who bro brought me cousins neighbors etc from Hensonville. Social diseases?

Mogwai
10-29-15, 10:02
There is a separate Pattaya section. Wouldn't want to confuse the newbies with Walking Street in both places.

Would be helpful if future comparison price shopping is done with graphs and charts and conversion rates back to $ for easy understanding. / \ and Salamat.Excellent idea Dg! Can you give us a presentation, say tomorrow?
Don't forget the conversion rates back to Euro's, British Pounds and Australian Dollars please. Oh, and Norwegian Crowns for Skogis. This is not an Americans only board after all.

Blanquiceleste
10-29-15, 11:52
...and don't listen to the haters!All I see is a healthy exchange of information, experiences and opinions. Where did emotion come in?

Dg8787
10-29-15, 13:09
Social diseases?STD. Socially transferred dis ease.

Dg8787
10-29-15, 13:50
Excellent idea Dg! Can you give us a presentation, say tomorrow?
Don't forget the conversion rates back to Euro's, British Pounds and Australian Dollars please. Oh, and Norwegian Crowns for Skogis. This is not an Americans only board after all.I was working on it but Pattaya has reports about Tanzania now! Too many coins to convert and chart.

Simmer
10-29-15, 16:51
Don't forget the conversion rates back to Euro's, British Pounds and Australian Dollars please. Oh, and Norwegian Crowns for Skogis. This is not an Americans only board after all.Not directed at either of you, but one thing that sometimes niggles me is when people post FRs with prices they paid in USD, not the local price. Anybody reading those FRs has to do a double currency conversion to get to local prices, which given currency fluctuations (especially a double conversion) means their expectation of what to pay can vary a lot. The local price doesn't vary that much over time so that's the only figure we should be using IMHO. Though I concede stating "1000 Php, or about US $21" is fair enough.

Member #4387
10-30-15, 01:31
Excellent idea Dg! Can you give us a presentation, say tomorrow?
Don't forget the conversion rates back to Euro's, British Pounds and Australian Dollars please. Oh, and Norwegian Crowns for Skogis. This is not an Americans only board after all.The norwegian "krone" is doing bad these days due to low oil prices. I am not to sensitive though but thanks for remembering me (I know we also have some swedish followers).

NapaSlapper
10-30-15, 04:04
There is a separate Pattaya section. Wouldn't want to confuse the newbies with Walking Street in both places.

Would be helpful if future comparison price shopping is done with graphs and charts and conversion rates back to $ for easy understanding. / \ and Salamat.Dg8787 this forum is named internationalsexguide not usa sexguide.

People from all over the world are members so why your wish to convert everything to us dollars.

Would think the only currency posted should be that of the country discussed.

Dick Hertz
10-30-15, 04:48
Was out last night from 8 pm to after 1 am and I have never since it so dead. Most of the bars where empty. Also sad to see that Paridise bar garden change ownership and now have all new waitress. I am going to miss those girls.

Sxxxx
10-30-15, 04:53
Dg8787 this forum is named internationalsexguide not usa sexguide.

People from all over the world are members so why your wish to convert everything to us dollars.

Would think the only currency posted should be that of the country discussed.I agree, there are countries other than USA, LOL.

Sxxxx
10-30-15, 04:59
Was out last night from 8 pm to after 1 am and I have never since it so dead. Most of the bars where empty. .........................I concur and agree. I posted in much the same vein 26th October. Angeles is not the same when Monger numbers are down. And they are down now. Girls look sad. Then guys look flat. Not the atmosphere we are used to.

Oosik
10-30-15, 05:49
Would think the only currency posted should be that of the country discussed.I won't speculate on how important the dollar currency is to Dg, but I see his point: Some common currency, be it dollars, euros, bitcoins, or yams (at a particular market) would be good for comparisons. True, since one is obviously Internet connected here one can quickly dart over to a currency converter site, but for the casual planner a common reference would be useful.

Perhaps we could come up with our own "basket" like economists use to determine costs of living. It would contain ED drugs, condoms, energy drinks, alcoholic beverages, short time hotels and aspirin. A lot of aspirin.

Mogwai
10-30-15, 08:25
STD. Socially transferred dis ease.Are they transferred through social media? Scary!

Dg8787
10-30-15, 09:13
Dg8787 this forum is named internationalsexguide not usa sexguide.

People from all over the world are members so why your wish to convert everything to us dollars.

Would think the only currency posted should be that of the country discussed.Calm down. I was only making funny of the POP (price of pussy) comparisons between different cuntries and the different currencies used. Now that you mentioned it, the international benchmarked exchange currency used is the USA Dollar.

For the record I have no wish to convert everything to the USA Dollar.

Robbaf
10-31-15, 01:12
Calm down. I was only making funny of the POP (price of pussy) comparisons between different cuntries and the different currencies used. Now that you mentioned it, the international benchmarked exchange currency used is the USA Dollar.

For the record I have no wish to convert everything to the USA Dollar.IMO the dollar sets the mark for conversion. I am in the ME and I convert dollars to local currency. Same as when I am in the Philippines. If I see a post with pesos, I convert it back to dollar. What is the big deal. If this is posters biggest worry, we have lot the plot.

Robb.

Robbaf
10-31-15, 01:15
Was out last night from 8 pm to after 1 am and I have never since it so dead. Most of the bars where empty. Also sad to see that Paridise bar garden change ownership and now have all new waitress. I am going to miss those girls.Funny when I read another Philippine site, I hear the opposite. I will be back in town soon and it will probably be like my last two trips this year, some bars were empty, but a lot of bars were rocking.

Robb.

X Man
10-31-15, 13:01
Nothing wrong with using the dollar standard, although I rarely do. I think the ethnocentric suggestion that everyone use the dollar standard is what rubbed people the wrong way. I may be American, but I usually don't get paid in dollars. I prefer people use the peso when talking about costs in the Philippines. XE.com is my favorite conversion website. X.


IMO the dollar sets the mark for conversion. I am in the ME and I convert dollars to local currency. Same as when I am in the Philippines. If I see a post with pesos, I convert it back to dollar. What is the big deal. If this is posters biggest worry, we have lot the plot.

Robb.

X Man
10-31-15, 13:31
When some people report that the bars are dead / slow, I get confused. Does that mean the bars are boring, or does it mean the bars are full of unattended lady dancers?

I've never not been enjoyably laid in AC. Sorry for the double negative.

DickHertz does't give us the day of the week or the bars. Like Rob, I find the situation to change day by day and hour by hour. One trend I see is that there are more gals on weekends, but also more upscale hotel full occupancy. I think some of the expat boys roll in from Manila during the weekends. X.


Funny when I read another Philippine site, I hear the opposite. I will be back in town soon and it will probably be like my last two trips this year, some bars were empty, but a lot of bars were rocking.

Robb.

Mogwai
11-01-15, 08:38
One trend I see is that there are more gals on weekends, but also more upscale hotel full occupancy. I think some of the expat boys roll in from Manila during the weekends. X.Also Koreans and Japanese roll in during the weekend. It's a relatively short distance for them after all.
And maybe some Aussies as well?

NapaSlapper
11-02-15, 03:04
There have been many posts on many angeles based board reporting the bars are dead in angeles.

What do they mean and what has been my experience.

Punter numbers are very low in most bars, girls numbers are very low in most bars, that's a fact.

Where some bars were full of punters some few years ago and those same bars employed many many girls that no longer is the case in angeles.

Many of the big bars on fields have 50-60 girls where as in the past they had 250 girls on stage.

Perimeter bars mostly had 30-40 girls, now lucky to have 5-10 girls on stage.

Also the recent low numbers of girls on stage tend to be fatter and not so attractive as in the past.

Thats not to say slim attractive girls cannot be found just that one has to search much much harder to find.

As punters stay away bar owners cannot justify paying large numbers of girls to dance on stage.

Throw in 3 years of constant bar raids with some punter arrests in raids and we are left with the situation of many would be punters to angeles have stayed away.

As for koreans / japanese punters most do not spend their time drinking in bars, they normally send one guy out to the bigger bars, point out x amount of girls to the mama and leave in a van back to the hotel to share the girls out among guys.

Sorry to sound negative but that alas is the situation,hopefully some time soon things will improve

PussyLiccker
11-02-15, 03:43
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.

Sxxxx
11-02-15, 03:58
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.Your chances are nil. And if you did happen to meet something similar your chances of hot sex are almost nil, also.

Get real and fuck the ones we are fucking. Exception: Skogis, contact him for his left overs, LOL.

Mr Enternational
11-02-15, 04:50
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.I would say the chances are just as good as running into Halle Berry or Angelina Jolie at your local strip club.

D Cups
11-02-15, 04:52
Slim to none.


Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference..

Amjeck
11-02-15, 05:32
Thats not to say slim attractive girls cannot be found just that one has to search much much harder to find.

This has been an ongoing trend for the last few years all over SEA.

Iguana Six
11-02-15, 05:53
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.The Spanish came to the Philippines, jumped into that gene pool, left some DNA and left after 300 years. The Chinese came there, dipped a toe into their gene pool, jumped into their economy, and never left.

Pinays with some Spanish blood are known as mestizas. Don't let the universal use of Spanish surnames fool you: very few of today's Filipinos have Spanish DNA. "Chinoys" are the islands' Chinese economic elite. They usually marriage each other, even though they have been there for centuries.

Once I met a bar girl who had either two Spanish grandfathers or three Spanish great grandparents, and looked like she came from Madrid, although not very attractive.

Look at their TV shows and movies and you will find filled with their most attractive people, with some character actors tossed in for spice and humor. Of late, there has been a trend where actresses with exotic looks will get on the fast track: the story is usually that they were the product of mixed marriages with Arabs, Koreans, Russians, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Americans, etc.

If you want to get an idea of talent you will meet, look at the photo gallery here.

PussyLiccker
11-02-15, 06:06
Thanks for putting a perspective on it guys. I'm not expecting top models, but I was curious if there were some chance that mixed types would be around. As far as the drop in the number of girls per bar / club, is that a pretty set consensus? Too much crackdown so that less girls are working? When would be the best time of the year to visit with girls not taking time off, etc. ?

Member #4387
11-02-15, 06:54
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.Not that I know of to many of the very upscale girls in this country (models, actresses, rich mixed kids etc etc) but can you see simular ones in any seedy places in your country? These girls can maybe be found in Makati or in other Hi so normal venues where they party but as you might have figured out by know they arent up for any prostitution (well I believe that everything can be bought to some extent) as these are Hi so girls and would most likely never set foot close to a redlight district. And if you introduce urself with your nick (nothing wrong with your nick in a seedy board by the way) you better be a younger invention of Brad Pitt to stand a slim chance.

LuckyFuck009
11-02-15, 09:15
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.Dear Mongers,

You have no chance at all, dude.

Anyway, Happy Mongering.

Red Kilt
11-02-15, 10:44
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.Whether by accident or design, or perhaps a troll (?), you managed to post 5 pictures of the cream of the crop insofar as filipina actresses are concerned.

They are in order of pics, Liza Soberano; Georgina Wilson; Angel Locsin, Maja Salvador and Marian Rivera.

They would have to be the most famous of ANY filipinas working in show business.

Marian has recently married the most popular male star, the improbably-named Ding-dong Dantes, in an incredibly publicized wedding.

These girls are on TV in adverts or pop shows or show biz gossip shows 24/7.

As has been pointed out to you, you have absolutely NO CHANCE with any of these girls, so you will just have to accept second tier ones.

Pantot
11-02-15, 15:03
Frankly those girls in those pics do nothing for me personally. I am so over white women and thier spoiled natures. Any girl that looks like that over their would be impossible to deal with. Actually growing up there with the constant adulation from childhood, by everyone male and female and all the bullshit beauty and talent contests would make them likely even more divas than the white girls here in the states.

I don't buy the brand of beauty the phils culture tries to jam down its own peoples throats.

Give a pure brown skin province pinay beauty anyday. Attitude alone makes the brown ones so much more attractive. The most beautiful ones are so underappreciated. The average filipino man would choose a ugly chubby light skinned pinay over a tight naturally tanned flesh beauty. They don't usually age well but they are tasty when fresh and nubile.

Thats why that place is such a paradise for a middle aged white guy.

Robbaf
11-02-15, 15:05
Hi guys. I've never been to Philipines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.I don't know about the rest of these guys, but after a 12 pack, I find lots of girls who look like these girls. I only wish I could wake up in the morning with them.

Robb.

CrownRoyal
11-02-15, 16:13
I would say the chances are just as good as running into Halle Berry or Angelina Jolie at your local strip club.Had to laugh when I read Mr. E's comment. I was in Big Daddy's on Bourbon Street somewhere around 1990 when Tina Turner dropped in. That was back in the days when her career was as hot as her body.

Axiata
11-03-15, 05:18
Used to post regularly under another name but have since rejoined. Just back from a week in AC. First visit there although a long time monger in many other Asian places. Here is a summary of the week. Firstly, made the mistake of flying into Manilla instead of Clark and as a result had a 4 hour drive in a hire car. Traffic was a nightmare due to the roadworks. Took only 2 hours to get back though.

First night I bar hopped to a number of the bars along walking street. Tried Red, Q, Ra and ended up at Kings Landing. I think Ra and Kings Landing had the most number of girls and best looking ones IMHO. Took a spotlight girl from Kings and she was excellent. Damage was 3 k plus tip. Took a normal girl from Ra but she was a disappointment.

Second day visited a number of the day bars including Firepit, Nightmoves and Baby Dolls. The talent was very varied but there were some picks in the crop. Over the next three days took one from each place and they all were good performers. Average damage was around 1. 5 k plus tip. Would probably say the Babydolls had the best of the talent and fun.

I did visit Atlantis, Gecko, Bar Hoppin and Shipwrecked and High Society over the week. Gecko and shipwrecked had the most outrageous girls who loved to party in the club. Would recommend both.

In all, the week more than lived up to expectations. The girls were great, the clubs each offered something and the cost was cheap compared to other Asian hunting grounds. Maybe AC has changed for the old punters, but my first visit was a blast and I am itching to get back there soon.

Happy mongering to all.

Mogwai
11-03-15, 08:53
Had to laugh when I read Mr. E's comment. I was in Big Daddy's on Bourbon Street somewhere around 1990 when Tina Turner dropped in. That was back in the days when her career was as hot as her body.Nice. But what is Big Daddy's on Bourbon Street?

Blanquiceleste
11-03-15, 14:05
I don't know about the rest of these guys, but after a 12 pack, I find lots of girls who look like these girls. I only wish I could wake up in the morning with them.

Robb.Never slept with a bad looking girl but sure have woken up next to a few.

MutantChicken
11-03-15, 17:24
Nice. But what is Big Daddy's on Bourbon Street?I believe that's Bourbon Street in New Orleans right?

CrownRoyal
11-04-15, 14:22
Nice. But what is Big Daddy's on Bourbon Street?Yes, Big Daddy's is on Bourbon St in New Orleans. If you have ever been on Bourbon Street, Big Daddy's is the bar with the fake legs swinging in and out of a bar storefront. I have not been in New Orleans since before Katrina, but it was a landmark and I would assume it is still there.

CrownRoyal
11-04-15, 14:31
Hi guys. I've never been to Philippines, and looking into it. I've seen some really pretty celebrity images online, and was wondering what are my chances to run into these types at the bars, and etc. I believe they are mixed with Caucasian blood. I've attached some pictures as reference.PL, if you would take those superstars and scrape all the makeup off, you would probably be surprised at what was underneath. If you browse through some of the dating websites featuring LBFM's you will find very few are wearing makeup.

There are gems to be had all over the PI but as far as AC, I found the highest concentration of stunners in Atlantis.

KiwiBoy
11-05-15, 01:43
PL, if you would take those superstars and scrape all the makeup off, you would probably be surprised at what was underneath. If you browse through some of the dating websites featuring LBFM's you will find very few are wearing makeup.

There are gems to be had all over the PI but as far as AC, I found the highest concentration of stunners in Atlantis.Atlantis girls are to picky, and if you happen to take one, in time you'll see there's better performers around, all the bars have a stunner or 2.

Crystal palace and dollhouse have more than a few, and vikings isn't bad too.

But in my opinion, although higher price the stunners are in EDSA entertainment in Manila.

JonathanG
11-05-15, 03:22
Frankly those girls in those pics do nothing for me personally. I am so over white women and thier spoiled natures. Any girl that looks like that over their would be impossible to deal with. Actually growing up there with the constant adulation from childhood, by everyone male and female and all the bullshit beauty and talent contests would make them likely even more divas than the white girls here in the states.

I don't buy the brand of beauty the phils culture tries to jam down its own peoples throats.

Give a pure brown skin province pinay beauty anyday. Attitude alone makes the brown ones so much more attractive. The most beautiful ones are so underappreciated. The average filipino man would choose a ugly chubby light skinned pinay over a tight naturally tanned flesh beauty. They don't usually age well but they are tasty when fresh and nubile.

Thats why that place is such a paradise for a middle aged white guy.True that.

CrownRoyal
11-05-15, 18:47
Atlantis girls are to picky, and if you happen to take one, in time you'll see there's better performers around, all the bars have a stunner or 2.

Crystal palace and dollhouse have more than a few, and vikings isn't bad too.

But in my opinion, although higher price the stunners are in EDSA entertainment in Manila.I agree with the Atlantis girls being picky. That was actually the only bar where I was refused 'service' by a girl in the PI. I saw a really beautiful girl on stage and asked my waitress to grab her when she was done dancing, but the waitress returned and said the girl would only go out with Koreans. I eventually found 2 really good looking girls to join me and eventually told the waitress I was going to barfine both of them. I was a bit shocked when she told me it would be 6,000 Pesos, but I had already made the deal so I paid it and off we went. The girls had obviously worked together before and kept me quite occupied.

I think my favorite place in AC was the Dollhouse, both in terms of atmosphere and quality of selection, with Ponytails a close 2nd.

Fastpiston
11-05-15, 23:27
I agree with the Atlantis girls being picky. That was actually the only bar where I was refused 'service' by a girl in the PI. I saw a really beautiful girl on stage and asked my waitress to grab her when she was done dancing, but the waitress returned and said the girl would only go out with Koreans. I eventually found 2 really good looking girls to join me and eventually told the waitress I was going to barfine both of them. I was a bit shocked when she told me it would be 6,000 Pesos, but I had already made the deal so I paid it and off we went. The girls had obviously worked together before and kept me quite occupied.

I think my favorite place in AC was the Dollhouse, both in terms of atmosphere and quality of selection, with Ponytails a close 2nd.I have decided a while back not to take girls from AC bars. My experience is that ST is now the standard and prices rising exponentially. I have also heard from friends that they are catching all sorts of diseases from these women. Not surprising with the amount of unprotected sex going on. I find it so easy to pick up girls working in malls away from AC.

Mr Enternational
11-05-15, 23:52
Watch for the airport bullet scam gentlemen.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhli020Z44779Aq253

NapaSlapper
11-06-15, 04:00
I have decided a while back not to take girls from AC bars. My experience is that ST is now the standard and prices rising exponentially. I have also heard from friends that they are catching all sorts of diseases from these women. Not surprising with the amount of unprotected sex going on. I find it so easy to pick up girls working in malls away from AC.Have to agree 100% Fastpiston.

I would also add that the girls I normally see working in malls, restaurants,offices etc all over the philippines are far better looking and far slimmer than most girls that can be found dancing in angeles bars.

Guys here keep stating that they find stunners all over in angeles bars, well I have seen the type of stunners guys brag about in the photo sections of most angeles based boards,not my taste at all,

Yes not bad looking, fairly slim girls can be found in very small numbers dancing in angeles bars but to call these girls stunners is a stretch of the imagination at best.

Rocco Sha
11-06-15, 04:23
In Angeles City can be found sexy girls in clubs, Ago-go bar, restaurants, malls and so on.

It is all about what type of monger you are and how you feel comfortable in approaching women.

Some men prefer approach in restaurant and malls, the typical been; "excuse me, where is. " or I personally start direct "Hi, you look super cute, what time you finish work?

Some men prefer Agogos and bars because the meal is ready and the girls have better sexual knowledge than normal working girls.

CONCLUSION.

Everything and everywhere works well in Angeles City.

Have a great holiday.

Rocco.

JustTK
11-06-15, 06:19
I spent a few nights down at the Perimter end of Fields recently and I found a new bar called Patches, about 200 m past Honey Ko's.

This is by far and away the best bar at the Perimeter End. The biggest, the best layout, at least a dozen slim girls (not the usual slew of Jollibees that one normally sees), most girls, the best music (some modern dance), and cleanest air (not polluted by selfish disgusting smokers), it's open until 11 pm. It also sells real ale!

However, the downside is that the bar fine is P2. 500 - easily the most expensive in that strip.

So does this signal the beginning of the end of the cheaper bar fine prices in Perimeter? It would be a disaster the size of Pinatubo errupting if it did. .

NapaSlapper
11-06-15, 09:41
I spent a few nights down at the Perimter end of Fields recently and I found a new bar called Patches, about 200 m past Honey Ko's.

However, the downside is that the bar fine is P2. 500 - easily the most expensive in that strip.

So does this signal the beginning of the end of the cheaper bar fine prices in Perimeter? It would be a disaster the size of Pinatubo errupting if it did. .I think you will find that if a girl is remotely cute with a slimmer body she will demand higher prices than her sister who is plain and chubby.

After all, girls are in the buisiness of making the most money in the shortest time possible.

Its only common sense that a girl with better looks / slimmer body will work in the type of bars that demand the highest prices, highest drinks commisions and highest salaries.

Many girls I know working in angeles make very respectable money by just staying in the bar, collecting double lady drinks commisions / salary and not barfining with anyone unless he is of a certain nationality and known to be a big spender / big tipper.

Blanquiceleste
11-06-15, 13:45
....unless he is of a certain nationality and known to be a big spender / big tipper.Aka Japs & Koreans. No offence but many girls have told me this. They blow a lot of money in the bar, make the girls work less hard and tip them generously.

Sxxxx
11-06-15, 14:15
Aka Japs & Koreans. No offence but many girls have told me this. They blow a lot of money in the bar, make the girls work less hard and tip them generously.Japanese yes.

Koreans, blow a lot of money and tip generously? Not according to my research. We anglo saxons are certainly left out in the cold when a batch of K's or J'sarrive at our favourite watering hole.

Koreans seem to be popular, according to my on going research (jealous, LOL) cause of pop idol image Phil girls see on TV on a regular basis. This applies more so to younger K's. These K's are half or a third of our age. Fresh skin, fresh face, south east Asian, IE, similar, behavior habits. Girls forget about making money when they fall for the fresh faced Korean guys. And forget about us (except perhaps for Skogis look a likes, LOL) Koreans are careful with their money, unlike Japanese who flash it about. Koreans are the taxi drivers nightmare. Stingy, ill mannered etc. Ask taxi drivers.

Japanese are also known to be better mannered. K's can be quite ignorant and rude to the girls and anyone else they come across.

A young Japanese guy would be more popular than a young Korean, normally. Both Japanese and Koreans require less effort from the girls, yes. I observe all the time J's and K's spend in KTV booths. No groping, singing silly songs. Confirmed by many a mama-san I have asked. The girls love that kind of fun. But then of course when the girls wake up in the morning, they realize they should have gone for the Anglo Saxon type who wants sex, not KTV Hi-jinks, and willing to pay and tip for it. Hard work most times, but money in the bank. Love does not put rice on the table and or pay the rent.

Observed during recently completed trip, top stunner at Arena, a 9 in anyone's language, ignore the K's and J's who represented 98% of Arena's customers at the time. Saw her gladly get barfined (P3000 in her pocket for starters) by a Frenchman in his late 40's or early 50's. She doesn't care about nationality, she cares about her take home pay, LOL.

Money talks. There is hope for us old geezers yet. Youth has the honey, old age has the money.

CrownRoyal
11-06-15, 14:25
I have decided a while back not to take girls from AC bars. My experience is that ST is now the standard and prices rising exponentially. I have also heard from friends that they are catching all sorts of diseases from these women. Not surprising with the amount of unprotected sex going on. I find it so easy to pick up girls working in malls away from AC.I obviously travel to the PI and AC to purse the hobby, but I also go there to get shit-faced, falling down drunk. I maintain a sober lifestyle in the US for several reasons, so when I travel to destinations like AC I cut loose. I am fairly certain I chemically (Crown Royal) burned all the cilia off my throat during my last AC outing. I enjoy the party atmosphere in AC almost as much as I enjoy the LBFM's and that's why I enjoy some of the bars like Dollhouse, Ponytails, etc.

Amjeck
11-06-15, 16:26
Many girls I know working in angeles make very respectable money by just staying in the bar, collecting double lady drinks commisions / salary and not barfining with anyone unless he is of a certain nationality and known to be a big spender / big tipper.This is because the make up of today's monger is different than yesterday's. There are more and more guys coming to AC who incentivize non sexual services. In the past, girls were only able to make "respectable" money if they provided sexual services to punters.

MonkeyGin
11-07-15, 01:24
I spent a few nights down at the Perimter end of Fields recently and I found a new bar called Patches, about 200 m past Honey Ko's.

This is by far and away the best bar at the Perimeter End. The biggest, the best layout, at least a dozen slim girls (not the usual slew of Jollibees that one normally sees), most girls, the best music (some modern dance), and cleanest air (not polluted by selfish disgusting smokers), it's open until 11 pm. It also sells real ale!

However, the downside is that the bar fine is P2. 500 - easily the most expensive in that strip.

So does this signal the beginning of the end of the cheaper bar fine prices in Perimeter? It would be a disaster the size of Pinatubo errupting if it did. .Been in there many times since opening, don't bother anymore.

The layout is nice and the girls look really good. From a distance.

Up close they are showing their age and many if not most have the baby belly going on.

Last time friend and I went in determined to do a 'smash and grab' short time. And the two girls we chose took our drinks and went on about how good they were in the bed.

Then when time to change his girl said 'o, I just went to bathroom and got menstruation unexpectedly' and my girl said 'maybe tomorrow, I don't go out without my friend'.

LOL.

In addition it's hard to get a drink as the waitresses tend to stick to the front of the bar and several occasions wrong order since they really don't listen.

My other barfine had to pay and send back as once we started she immediately complaining my dick is too big (it's average at best) and was acting like I was stabbing her with king kong's junk.

Lastly the girls wear biker vests which covers up a lot. I'm sure the place appeals to biker set. But doesn't do it for me or guys I've taken there.

MonkeyGin
11-07-15, 01:27
Yes, Big Daddy's is on Bourbon St in New Orleans. If you have ever been on Bourbon Street, Big Daddy's is the bar with the fake legs swinging in and out of a bar storefront. I have not been in New Orleans since before Katrina, but it was a landmark and I would assume it is still there.Remember that place well. It's the one that had the giant snake skin under plexiglass stage?

Shit that was 20 y ago.

Lefeu
11-07-15, 04:32
Money talks. There is hope for us old geezers yet. Youth has the honey, old age has the money.Well said, buddy, and a good summary. I just hope the girls in AC see the light some day. The K arrival is a recent phenomenon and I hope it will fade away.

Lefeu
11-07-15, 04:42
I would also add that the girls I normally see working in malls, restaurants,offices etc all over the philippines are far better looking and far slimmer than most girls that can be found dancing in angeles bars.NS, I would like to respectfully disagree. My experience has been just the opposite. Not to mention that working girls are exactly that. They work and try to make as much money as possible, hence, they try to please their man and learn on the job as they go. Civies are often dead fish in bed, not comfortable with what they are doing, and lack the necessary skills, such as BBBJ, P2 P.

JustTK
11-07-15, 07:03
Last time friend and I went in determined to do a 'smash and grab' short time. And the two girls we chose took our drinks and went on about how good they were in the bed.

Then when time to change his girl said 'o, I just went to bathroom and got menstruation unexpectedly' and my girl said 'maybe tomorrow, I don't go out without my friend'. LOL.

My other barfine had to pay and send back as once we started she immediately complaining my dick is too big (it's average at best) and was acting like I was stabbing her with king kong's junk.

Lastly the girls wear biker vests which covers up a lot. I'm sure the place appeals to biker set. But doesn't do it for me or guys I've taken there.Ha! Well. I'm sure they don't get specifically trained to do and say that. Sounds like you had a bit of bad luck there. I've had the "I got mens" brush off after a coupla drinks several times in other bars too. F&&kin irratatin! I thought about asking them up front as a strategy but the reality is they will come up with another excuse to say that they don't want to go woth you.

BTW: I'm not a biker, I just like the place compared to other bars in that area. Just don't like the prices. And not all the girls wear cut off denim jackets.

Sxxxx
11-07-15, 14:00
No wonder the Koreans have to be careful with their money. Exchange rate is terrible.

How would you be, if the USA dollar was only worth 0. 0408958 Filipino pesos? See below, exchange rate.

So the girls attraction to K's must be love? I am even more jealous, LOL.

Exchange rate at xe.com :

1. 00 KRW = 0.0408958 PHP.

South Korean Won ↔ Philippine Peso.

1 KRW = 0.0408958 PHP

1 PHP = 24.4524 KRW

You cannot get 24.4524 USA dollars for 1 Filipino Pesos, now can you.

Whats going on? Love or Lust of K's by the girls, or what? LOL.

I would need a wheelbarrow for my money, if I was a K, and out on the prowl (bar hopping).

Anyone know why the KRW is so weak, visavis PHP?

Sammon
11-07-15, 16:23
Aka Japs & Koreans. No offence but many girls have told me this. They blow a lot of money in the bar, make the girls work less hard and tip them generously.I supported one girl for three years. She came to AC to sell her cherry. Got paid 40000 for it by a Koren. Right after I met her. He did not even do a good job breaking cherry. According to the girl he was drunk and hardly could get it hard. Anyway she wanted to go home and go to college. My contribution is approx 10000 per month. Very pretty and nice body with stand up 18 year old boobs. We took lots of trips together. She started slacking off studies I found out stopped support. Girl came back to AC and exclusive sly went with Koreans because she worked at Korean owned bar.

I kept in contact with her. She says young Koreans spend lots of money and give girls lots of money. Not good in sex but likes arm candy. In fact after 2 years she bought a nice house and a used car. She hired a driver and car is driven as taxi. Opened a farm supplies store and her parents take care of it. I was seeing one girl referred by her in her hometown and I saw her home car and shop.

She since not in AC anymore and I heard she is hooked up with a european.

Lefeu
11-07-15, 16:41
Anyone know why the KRW is so weak, visavis PHP?That's the wrong way to judge a currency. I was in Seoul last April and noticed that the K won was more than 1000 to the dollar, if I remember correctly. That does not mean much.

You need to look at the movement of the rate over a period of time. For example, if the Kwon was 1500:1 dollar a year before, then you can conclude that the currency has done well compared to the dollar. If it were 800:1, then you conclude the opposite.

Mr Enternational
11-07-15, 17:00
No wonder the Koreans have to be careful with their money. Exchange rate is terrible.

How would you be, if the USA dollar was only worth 0. 0408958 Filipino pesos? See below, exchange rate.

So the girls attraction to K's must be love? I am even more jealous, LOL.

Exchange rate at xe.com :

1. 00 KRW = 0.0408958 PHP.

South Korean Won ↔ Philippine Peso.

1 KRW = 0.0408958 PHP

1 PHP = 24.4524 KRW

You cannot get 24.4524 USA dollars for 1 Filipino Pesos, now can you.

Whats going on? Love or Lust of K's by the girls, or what? LOL.

I would need a wheelbarrow for my money, if I was a K, and out on the prowl (bar hopping).

Anyone know why the KRW is so weak, visavis PHP?What? I don't think you have travelled many places. You are talking as if the Koreans have 1's printed on their currency. You are highly confused. They have thousands printed on their currency. The average salary in South Korea is 3 million won per month, which is US$2600. For instance when I was there in September a burger and fries in the airport was 8000 won, which was about US$7. To get a better understanding the won is now at 1,152 for 1USD. Instead of the comma being after the 1 imagine it being a period there and it was more like 1USD = 1.15 won. Then it would appear more like 40PHP/won. In some countries the numbers can run so high that you need to knock a couple of (or even a few) digits off the back end to have a better understanding.

MS Clive
11-07-15, 17:02
Anyone know why the KRW is so weak, visavis PHP?Sxxxx your economics is very weak. Stick to mongering (Smiley).

The conversion thinking you are using has nothing to do with whether Koreans can afford it or not. Did you realize that if you earn $5,000 a month in the USA you probably could earn 5. 7 million Korean Won per month in South Korea. Hence if a hooker costed $200 in USA she would cost 230 k in South Korea. Generally speaking this concept is called Purchasing Power Parity and I am really simplifying this because this is ISG and not WSJ.

In fact if you were making $5 k a month in USA you may be making $8 k in Norway or $6 k in Japan etc. Etc. Which means you can afford to screw more expensive women than if you lived in the USA.

Basically that's what is happening in Angeles city. Koreans and Japs have more purchasing power. And the latter are also a bit flashy as throwing money around is part of their 'game' to attract women. The Europeans and Americans who do go to Angeles city are not the wealthiest (Income less than $140 k annual for example) so they cannot outspend these Japs.

As I said. Let's stick to mongering and leave economic thinking to people in ivory towers who are missing out on all the action!

MS Clive
11-07-15, 17:05
What? You are talking as if the Koreans have 1's printed on their currency. You are highly confused.Yes Koreans use large bills. Here are typical bills you would see in South Korea.

Socker
11-07-15, 19:57
I obviously travel to the PI and AC to purse the hobby, but I also go there to get shit-faced, falling down drunk. I maintain a sober lifestyle in the US for several reasons, so when I travel to destinations like AC I cut loose. I am fairly certain I chemically (Crown Royal) burned all the cilia off my throat during my last AC outing. I enjoy the party atmosphere in AC almost as much as I enjoy the LBFM's and that's why I enjoy some of the bars like Dollhouse, Ponytails, etc.I drink too much too but never to the point of falling down. Just to the point where I love everybody and throw too much money around. It's not a good way to monger and adds to the difficulty of getting your money's worth, not to mention fucking to completion. So more power to you and don't get hurt falling down or walking in the wrong place at night.

My take on the Ks etc. Is they can do weekend jaunts and throw money around in AC. In my experience AC and Cebu have been the worst as far as competing w / Ks for the bar girls. There is nothing that can stop them except for the western monger treating the ladies w / respect and kindness. Treat them good and fuck them good, say goodbye w / a smile. All ethnicities carry a reputation w / them and so to me it's the only way to maintain our market share. Oh and don't get old, that seems to be getting in the way of some of my fun w / the top lookers. I really work hard on staying in shape but time is my enemy in regards to attracting the best lookers in the bars and getting that GFE in the room. I did pretty well but missed out on a few dream girls, I'm not K or young enough it seems.

I was there for a month recently mostly in BKK and Pattaya and the Asians have the inside track at some bars not all. I missed out on a couple of incredible ladies because they were hunting for Asian mongers only, too bad for me, but I found my way and had a great time. The ONLY place where there is no discrimination that I've found is Burgos St. I've been there a few times and ALL the top ladies will leave w / you. Why? LOL, because the bar fines (2600 P) and BG price (3000 p ST) is why. Some are dream girl quality so worth the high cost but it is freaking expensive to monger on Burgos St.

The best eye candy in BKK was at Crazy House dancing nude, what a sight, my word. The best in Makati was Kojax w / the above mentioned prices. All Kojax ladies will go w the first cummers, I took 3 out of there on consecutive nights. I like Burgos and there are some pretty nice FLs working the street after 8 or 9 pm, 2000 p for them.

Okay.

Dg8787
11-07-15, 20:01
One Korean Won is not equal to one Filipino Juan? OMG!

CrownRoyal
11-07-15, 21:55
Remember that place well. It's the one that had the giant snake skin under plexiglass stage?

Shit that was 20 y ago.Well that's funny. Yeah, the last time I was in Big Daddy's there was one live and one 'stuffed' snake under the Plexiglas stage. I haven't thought about that for years until you mentioned it. It's probably been 20 plus years since I've been in there as well.

Fastpiston
11-07-15, 23:59
I supported one girl for three years. She came to AC to sell her cherry. Got paid 40000 for it by a Koren. Right after I met her. He did not even do a good job breaking cherry. According to the girl he was drunk and hardly could get it hard. Anyway she wanted to go home and go to college. My contribution is approx 10000 per month. Very pretty and nice body with stand up 18 year old boobs. We took lots of trips together. She started slacking off studies I found out stopped support. Girl came back to AC and exclusive sly went with Koreans because she worked at Korean owned bar.

I kept in contact with her. She says young Koreans spend lots of money and give girls lots of money. Not good in sex but likes arm candy. In fact after 2 years she bought a nice house and a used car. She hired a driver and car is driven as taxi. Opened a farm supplies store and her parents take care of it. I was seeing one girl referred by her in her hometown and I saw her home car and shop.

She since not in AC anymore and I heard she is hooked up with a European.No offense intended to Koreans, but I have seen a massive increase in Korean presence & investment in AC. In another 5 years one wonders if any of the western haunts will still be around.

Dg8787
11-08-15, 00:47
No offense intended to Koreans, but I have seen a massive increase in Korean presence & investment in AC. In another 5 years one wonders if any of the western haunts will still be around.The K's have NEVER made a difference in my shopping or purchasing nor caused an increase in my cost. In some cases they have made me a better choice with some girls.

The Koreans certainly have a sizable and growing population in AC. It has not affected my purposes and I doubt it will in the next 5 years.

So in my world, who cares?

Rocco Sha
11-08-15, 02:26
I supported one girl for three years. She came to AC to sell her cherry. Got paid 40000 for it by a Koren. Right after I met her. He did not even do a good job breaking cherry. According to the girl he was drunk and hardly could get it hard. Anyway she wanted to go home and go to college. My contribution is approx 10000 per month. Very pretty and nice body with stand up 18 year old boobs. We took lots of trips together. She started slacking off studies I found out stopped support. Girl came back to AC and exclusive sly went with Koreans because she worked at Korean owned bar.

I kept in contact with her. She says young Koreans spend lots of money and give girls lots of money. Not good in sex but likes arm candy. In fact after 2 years she bought a nice house and a used car. She hired a driver and car is driven as taxi. Opened a farm supplies store and her parents take care of it. I was seeing one girl referred by her in her hometown and I saw her home car and shop.

She since not in AC anymore and I heard she is hooked up with a european.Thanks to share your story.

It is great to hear that prostitution is helping women born with no possibility to access good education and land a decent paid job.

I never understood why the western media is always talking negative about it. We need only more sugar daddies in this world to fix inequality, LOL.

Fastpiston
11-08-15, 02:55
For your information, the Philippine Star newspaper today carried an article about security staff at Clark International Airport stopping anyone at security carrying more than Peso 10,000 out of the country. They will say it is illegal and will have to confiscate the money with lots of documentation. Or are willing to forget the whole thing if they get 50% of the amount involved so one can catch the flight.

On departure, this Peso 10,000 rule is very poorly advertised. Be aware of this Clark scam. Probably happening everywhere else in the Philippines. Every government regulation is twisted into a scam.

This behavior is the mirror image of Philippines traffic police behavior who want cash for not writing a ticket and sending one's drivers license to the Traffic authority. Using the later route, there is of course, a fast processing for a 'cash consideration'!

Scamippines.

Blanquiceleste
11-08-15, 03:27
No offense intended to Koreans, but I have seen a massive increase in Korean presence & investment in AC. In another 5 years one wonders if any of the western haunts will still be around.Some time back I had posted a report on 2 nightclubs in Malate (probably a better fit there, but since the topic is raised here). Club ZZYZX and Club Exklusiv, both at the Remedios Circle, Adriatico Street. Have you seen the place? Its teeming with Koreans. The bouncer and reception staff get a good look at you and your girl in tow when you enter the place. I have seen a couple of people being turned away on some minor excuse or the other. Both are great places to party and the girls there are super hot. Most of them are available. But unless you are a young lad with exceptionally good looks and loose purse strings your chances of picking up a PYT are not that great. Because the average Korean has at least 3 slung on his arm and he is pulling out all stops on the spending.

Pantot
11-08-15, 05:44
For your information, the Philippine Star newspaper today carried an article about security staff at Clark International Airport stopping anyone at security carrying more than Peso 10,000 out of the country. They will say it is illegal and will have to confiscate the money with lots of documentation. Or are willing to forget the whole thing if they get 50% of the amount involved so one can catch the flight.

On departure, this Peso 10,000 rule is very poorly advertised. Be aware of this Clark scam. Probably happening everywhere else in the Philippines. Every government regulation is twisted into a scam.

This behavior is the mirror image of Philippines traffic police behavior who want cash for not writing a ticket and sending one's drivers license to the Traffic authority. Using the later route, there is of course, a fast processing for a 'cash consideration'!

Scamippines.I wouldn't get to exercised about this one. That 10,000 peso limit to take out has been on every exit document as long as I have been going to the Phils. Its an absurdly low limit no doubt but its not like like the Phils peso is the gold standard of world currency anyway. I always take out about 3 to 5 K just so incase when I come back and the exchange windows are closed cause its too late or the lines too long or I just want to get the hell out of the airport.

Don't get too worked up over a newspaper article. Clark is a pretty laid back airport and since virtually all fights are international these days it not like they are going to mess with the passengers. Clark is a very tiny airport that barely operates except certain hours and is dormant most of the day don't confuse it with Manila NAIA and its clusterfuck of 4 terminals surrounding one giant airfield.

Mr Enternational
11-08-15, 06:31
For your information, the Philippine Star newspaper today carried an article about security staff at Clark International Airport stopping anyone at security carrying more than Peso 10,000 out of the country. They will say it is illegal and will have to confiscate the money with lots of documentation. Or are willing to forget the whole thing if they get 50% of the amount involved so one can catch the flight.A few months back a guy posted here that this did indeed happen to him at Clark.

Chocha Monger
11-08-15, 11:33
The South Korean government has been marketing the Korean culture as cool since it started financing the subtitling, translation, and advertising of Korean soaps abroad in 1992. It aims to become the biggest global exporter of pop culture. Official figure for Korean pop culture export revenue was $4. 6 billion in 2012. The government designated $1 billion to be invested in K-pop and K-dramas. This is all part of an attempt to diversify the Korean economy and reduce its reliance on industry after the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997-1998 forced the country to borrow billions of dollars from the IMF (Hong, 2014).

The idea came about after the Korean government took notice of the large amount of revenue generated by the US in films, and the UK in stage musicals. However, Korea did not have its own tradition of homegrown pop music bands, so it created one. It trains carefully selected children for years before permitting them to perform in public. The process results in 13-year music contracts. This packaging and marketing of Korean culture involves European songwriters, US trained editors, and choreographers from all over the world. The sale of this manufactured culture is also expected to sell other Korean products like cosmetics to audiences abroad in places like the Philippines (Hong, 2014).

Apparently, Korean mongers are benefiting from this marketing of K-pop culture as cool in the Philippines. I recently witnessed a group of Filipina schoolgirls screaming and waving to a few Korean men walking by in a mall much the same way American schoolgirls used to scream at The Beatles decades ago. They are the new "sexy man" in AC and the most attractive lookers in the bars give them puss exclusively because they think it's cool to get drilled by guys that look like older heavier versions of their favorite K-pop and K-drama idols. It is more about the coolness factor than the money. So, now Korean mongers get first dibs on the best quality Filipina puss, plus lots of freebies and GFE.

Non-Koreans can still come away with something decent if they're willing to pay more and lower their expectations. That is just part of the trend in the new AC. There is no point in getting jealous. Recently, I was perambulating along Don Juico when I heard "Hey you, sexy man!" and turned to see some door girls and a mamasan who waved me towards the entrance of a bar called Lune Time. I approached cautiously and stepped through the entrance into a dark and smoky hall. A waitress ushered me to a table and took my order. As my eyes adjusted I noticed that the place was filled with Koreans and almost all of them were smoking. There were no Aussies, Brits, Americans, etc. There were only Koreans! Right away, I noticed the girls here were taller, slimmer, and easier on the eyes than in many other bars. After a while as the different groups rotated on and off stage, I got the impression that the girls were grouped according to characteristics. The groups where like this: tall girls; slim girls; fat girls; and short girls. I must say that the selection was well sorted and organized. It was interesting to see how a Korean bar did things. After a few shows, I left to continue my stroll. I did not get pestered for LDs and did not request any company. So unfortunately, I can't say what luck one might have trying to poach a Korean monger's stunner from there.

Reference.

Hong, E. (2014, August). Korean cool is the ultimate national marketing ploy. Newsweek.