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Some Filipinas like other Filipinas because they have no dicks but beware of the Filipinas who have dicks hahahahahahha
Some Filipinas like Koreans because the Koreans have small dicks. Some Filipinas like Aussies because the Aussies have big dicks..
The name of the game is "Ridicule, embarrass and demean a group of beautiful people". .I would disagree with that characterization.
The girls love it. I enjoy watching it, partly because the girls seem to be having a lot of fun. If you are in Atlantis, ask them about the legendary "Hawaiian". It seems that he was making it rain with 500 and 1000 pesos bills.
Making it rain with cash is better than the ping pong balls. The girls get the entire bill for the cash; the girls get half (10 pesos) for the ping pong ball (where you pay 20 pesos each).
Of course a general statement: It seems the Asians are the ones that makes it rain with cash. But it seems Caucasians are the ones who ring the bells (just look at the names on the wall). The girls love both. I prefer to give my money to just the girls, and not the bar owner.
I don't do it because I am somewhat on a budget.
IMO, you demean a group of beautiful people by making them (due to poverty) have sex with old, ugly guys.
I would disagree with that characterization.
The girls love it. I enjoy watching it, partly because the girls seem to be having a lot of fun. If you are in Atlantis, ask them about the legendary "Hawaiian". It seems that he was making it rain with 500 and 1000 pesos bills.
Making it rain with cash is better than the ping pong balls. The girls get the entire bill for the cash; the girls get half (10 pesos) for the ping pong ball (where you pay 20 pesos each).
Of course a general statement: It seems the Asians are the ones that makes it rain with cash. But it seems Caucasians are the ones who ring the bells (just look at the names on the wall). The girls love both.
I don't do it because I am somewhat on a budget.
IMO, you demean a group of beautiful people by making them (due to poverty) have sex with old, ugly guys.Actually, all the girls don't love it. I was with one recently (in Thailand), and she old me so. She refuses to participate when on stage, and I witnessed with my own eyes that she was true to her word. How about ring the bell and buy every girl on stage a lady drink (some bars in Thailand promoted this option)? That seems more civilized than tossing money up into the air or making them chase after ping pong balls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9faERbno0
Screaming Beaver
12-09-15, 13:16
I am pretty sure that is correct. Yet Aussies are very popular in the Philippines. Or perhaps it is correct because Aussies are very popular.
Some Filipinas like Koreans because the Koreans have small dicks. Some Filipinas like Aussies because the Aussies have big dicks.And some Filipinos like Americans because they have both big dicks and fat wallets during these times of currency meltdown with the Aussie dollar.
ConquerorVal
12-09-15, 13:20
IMO, you demean a group of beautiful people by making them (due to poverty) have sex with old, ugly guys.Not sure how less demeaning (your word) is to have paid sex with young and handsome man vs. an old and ugly guy. How about young and ugly vs old and handsome? Bottom line is that without the extent of poverty in Philippines regardless of your looks and age there would be a lot less p4 p available. Most of the time these beautiful people see us as walking wallets (instead of Sponge Bob imagine a fat wallet)
Not sure how less demeaning (your words) is ..............................Most of the time these beautiful people see us as walking wallets.Most of the time they see us as a means to survive. Very few are making more than survival money.
Hence the enthusiasm for the peanuts sent down from the upstairs galleries, and also sex with elderly gents, who are preferred by quite a lot of the girls cause they are less demanding, more understanding, and generous. The few young guys that are available, must have trouble getting girls back in their home country. Paying for sex when young, is a bad sign, LOL. There are always exceptions to everything, eg, kind hearted Skogis, young and handsome, paying the girls, LOL.
Congratulations to Westie, "Pic Poster ISG 2015".
Who is "Poster Champ ISG 2015" ? Could be Westie too?
OK finally I'm in AC. Short report from the ground. First of all I found great value hotel. It called Garden View hotel, on San Angelo street 400 meter off 21 Street / Fields ave.
It is new, clean, big room, LCD, WiFi, working table and all for discounted price of 1900 peso for the best king bed room. All that I wanted.
You not walking through reception with the girl, is a good thing and they didn't ask me or her for any ID's, maybe cause I told them my GF is coming.
Anyway, regarding the AC itself. Compared to Pattaya the drinks are cheap, the girls are nicer and from more variety of looks, sizes and colors. By now I just been to Walking street and.
Day time bars. In most of those bars girls are just plain ugly, old, miss-shaped etc. I entered maybe 10-12 of them including big ones like Emotions before I found a good girl I can take.
I can recommend Night Moves bar. Very friendly and fun girls, 2-3 very fuckable. I took out a tall, slim, 20 years old girl with tight pussy and nice attitude. Bar fine is 1500 Peso, drinks 70 to 250 for lady drinks.
All in all very nice first experience. Tonight or tomorrow I will hit the discos and report the freelancers situation.
When you need milk for the baby and / or food for the family and / or meds for the parents, you don't have time to think about how demeaning it is. It is just money raining your way to hopefully eat and survive another day.
FritsVanegter
12-09-15, 15:28
Hello,
Did arrive in ac after a long taxi ride from manila. Next time I will fly into ac or just skip this place.
Food is still mediocre compared to cities like HCMC, BKK, Phnom Penh.
The girls are getting bigger bellies. More and more push for lady drinks.
Opposing to CIM more and more.
Am I getting unlucky or sre there indeed more smelly pussies here? I mean the ones you can smell when both standing in the shower. Concerning this I really miss Thailand.
Greetings,
Frits.
PS I think champagne bar has some nice ladies.
Before the Internet and before ISG, there were places called Olongapo, be. Baretta, Clark. Tens of thousands of young Americans passed thru every year. And of course they (usually) paid for it. It may be a dubious honor, but the US military is one of the reasons these places exist. Those young guys had a pretty good time.
Peanuts from above? If I was walking down the street, I'd be happy to stretch my back and pick up any coin or bill.
Most of the time they see us as a means to survive. Very few are making more than survival money.
Hence the enthusiasm for the peanuts sent down from the upstairs galleries, and also sex with elderly gents, who are preferred by quite a lot of the girls cause they are less demanding, more understanding, and generous. The few young guys that are available, must have trouble getting girls back in their home country. Paying for sex when young, is a bad sign, LOL. There are always exceptions to everything, eg, kind hearted Skogis, young and handsome, paying the girls, LOL.
Congratulations to Westie, "Pic Poster ISG 2015".
Who is "Poster Champ ISG 2015" ? Could be Westie too?
Do you really need six "ha"s for your own joke? A joke about dick, thank you very much.
? is anyone laughing?
Some Filipinas like other Filipinas because they have no dicks but beware of the Filipinas who have dicks hahahahahahha
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So now you are the Xpert on humor, too, X? Stick your schwantztooka up your ass and lighten up! Hahahahahahahahahah QUOTE=X Man Do you really need six "ha"s for your own joke? A joke about dick, thank you very much.
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When is your next field report, we are waiting eagerly. Possibly 2018?
So now you are the Xpert on humor, too, X? Stick your schwantztooka up your ass and lighten up! Hahahahahahahahahah QUOTE=X Man Do you really need six "ha"s for your own joke? A joke about dick, thank you very much.
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Pipe Layer99
12-09-15, 17:33
How is AC around New Years eve and the week after? I'm sure there will be some girls around but do many of them go home?
When is your next field report, we are waiting eagerly. Possibly 2018?I repeat, stick your schwantzooka up your ass. This is my field report to you, X. I hope you find it useful! Hahahaahaahhaahahahah.
NapaSlapper
12-10-15, 01:39
Hello,
Did arrive in ac after a long taxi ride from manila. Next time I will fly into ac or just skip this place.
Food is still mediocre compared to cities like HCMC, BKK, Phnom Penh.
The girls are getting bigger bellies. More and more push for lady drinks.
Opposing to CIM more and more.
Am I getting unlucky or sre there indeed more smelly pussies here? I mean the ones you can smell when both standing in the shower. Concerning this I really miss Thailand.
Greetings,
Frits.
PS I think champagne bar has some nice ladies.
Agree 100% about phills food, it has got to be the worst of all the asian countries by a long way.
As for smelly pussies, what did you expect,Look at the picture gallery of most angeles based boards, most if not all are of mongers going in bareback.
So in summing up, a pussy used mainly as a sperm recepticle by many different guys daily = 1 very smelly pussy due to the sperm present and possible multiple diseases present.
Sorry to be blunt guys LOL.
Chris Long
12-10-15, 02:37
From October 2015. Overnights are still frequently done if the girls like you.
Dollhouse 3000.
Atlantis- 3000.
Monsoon- 2500.
Yokugozu- 2400.
Orange-3000.
Lollipops- 2400.Thanks.
Will be there this Friday for a month. Kicking my self now for having spent the money on the plane ticket, really regretting it. If I could get my money back I would cash it in and go to a Latin American destination where you are as hansom as your wallet is big, the only no you ever hear is the one coming from your mouth because you are to tired to do another chica. Returning to AC is a little like returning to the scene of a traumatic event not sure I'm emotionally ready to return to the land of rejection.
Chris
ForceSteeler
12-10-15, 03:29
Thanks.
Will be there this Friday for a month. Kicking my self now for having spent the money on the plane ticket, really regretting it.
ChrisWell I hope you enjoy it. As for Plane Tickets, I'm Heading to Angeles This Febuary for free. I'm flying first class on Delta From the East Coast to Manila for Free (I had to pay $260 tax on award ticket) But $260 is not bad for first class. I would recommend any mongers to sign up for credit cards like Amex Membership Rewards. Or Chase and put all of your yearly expenses on your credit card. The Points adds up and you can save your money for Boom Boom.
RockyHardy21
12-10-15, 11:22
Respectfully disagree. Cannot confirm that sweeping generalization.
I think you mean that there is a small fraction who are that desperate. Which, if true, means there are thousands or hundreds of thousands of such desperate pinay (which by definition is a large amount).
Not every naughty pinay interlude involves money (or the consideration of money by either party). Some pinay are interested in the sex only, others money, and others want a long-nosed baby.
And then there are those.
Related story, I think its been over a year since I mentioned this girl. There is a cebuana that I started hammering young, for financial consideration. We got along fine for 3 years. She went off the grid for about 8 months and I was unable to contact her on a subsequent trip. The following trip I discovered from one of her friends that she had married a rich poriner (Japanese) a few months back. A year later she contacted me in YM and confirmed her marriage to the older Japanese fella. Six months after that she was in my hotel room phabulously sucking my dick. What about that rich husband? Taking care of biz at home in Japan. On a subsequent trip she came to my hotel with shopping bags (this would become her modus operandi) when hubby was in town on my visits. We'd have an healthy 45-minute bonk, then she'd shower and go home with shopping bags so hubby would think she'd been hitting the mall with her friends for lunch and shopping. This ruse worked for 2 years (have not seen her in a year). Did she need money? No! Was she also bonking a different gringo (and admitting it) at the same time? Yes! Once again did she need the money? No, not at that point in her life. She just liked sexing gringos: "Oh got I don't want baby looks asian". Did she love sex? Yes, she revels in it (it seems to ooze out of the pores in her skin)..Generally I am against racism and would fight anyone on the same note. But I am in Asia for last 3 years and I have realized, Whiteman still rules the world.
When you in Asia (India, Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan, shrikant and other countries) they all keep saying about the end of colonial rule and they feel proud how they came out of it after a lot of struggle. They feel proud on their values bla bla bla.
At the moment you are a white man / woman their heads are still vowed down to say yes sir.
If you are white, age is just a number, people still feel that whites are the best man. Now these thing s can't change because those countries are not developed yet. They still have to go a long way. People have to work hard to prove it.
What the whites can do. Be generous and accept the respect with your humble gesture. Make them believe that if your hard work and effort make you feel proud, anyone in the world can dream to achieve that.
When I say white. Trust me I am not trying to be racist but just telling the fact.
At WTF is happening to me, now a days when I am drunk, I have started behaving like a philosopher. Oh god please don't let it happen, I am just to reach Philippines.
Pun intended.
CrownRoyal
12-10-15, 15:21
From October 2015. Overnights are still frequently done if the girls like you.
Dollhouse 3000.
Atlantis- 3000.
Monsoon- 2500.
Yokugozu- 2400.
Orange-3000.
Lollipops- 2400.I saw a few complaints about take-out prices, but if you take the movement of the US Dollar into consideration, the Atlantis price has actually come down (in relation to the dollar at least). A good part of this is a reaction to the US Dollar but I'm sure part could be just taking advantage of hobbyists. I've read this is the fast rise for the US Dollar in 40 years.
Someone else commented about going to Lain or South America, but you have a similar situation there with all currencies that I am aware of.
I had some serious health issues that are beginning to subside and I'm hoping to land in AC in a few months.
ForceSteeler
12-10-15, 15:22
Generally I am against racism and would fight anyone on the same note. But I am in Asia for last 3 years and I have realized, Whiteman still rules the world.
When you in Asia (India, Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan, shrikant and other countries) they all keep saying about the end of colonial rule and they feel proud how they came out of it after a lot of struggle. They feel proud on their values bla bla bla.
At the moment you are a white man / woman their heads are still vowed down to say yes sir.
If you are white, age is just a number, people still feel that whites are the best man. Now these thing s can't change because those countries are not developed yet. They still have to go a long way. People have to work hard to prove it.
What the whites can do. Be generous and accept the respect with your humble gesture. Make them believe that if your hard work and effort make you feel proud, anyone in the world can dream to achieve that.
When I say white. Trust me I am not trying to be racist but just telling the fact.
At WTF is happening to me, now a days when I am drunk, I have started behaving like a philosopher. Oh god please don't let it happen, I am just to reach Philippines.
Pun intended.Color does not matter, the only color that matters is green. These poor people look at westerners as a come up that's it. If you come to Angeles city with no money and are flat broke. Let see how far your white skin will get you. If a Filipino girl had to choose between a broke and poor white man or a broke a poor Filipino man, they would choose there own people any day. So don't think because your rich in a 3rd World Country people actually like you. They want what's in your wallet.
Try going getting a rich upper class Filipino girl in Manila, that is not desperate or poor. They would not even look your way.
So now you are the Xpert on humor, too, X? Stick your schwantztooka up your ass and lighten up! Hahahahahahahahahah QUOTE=X Man Do you really need six "ha"s for your own joke? A joke about dick, thank you very much.
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NapaSlapper
12-11-15, 02:08
Color does not matter, the only color that matters is green. These poor people look at westerners as a come up that's it. If you come to Angeles city with no money and are flat broke. Let see how far your white skin will get you. If a Filipino girl had to choose between a broke and poor white man or a broke a poor Filipino man, they would choose there own people any day. So don't think because your rich in a 3rd World Country people actually like you. They want what's in your wallet.
Try going getting a rich upper class Filipino girl in Manila, that is not desperate or poor. They would not even look your way.100% agree,
As they say, no money no honey.
We are only as handsome as the amount of money we have in our pockets.
Take away the money and see how handsome we are.
Nothing wrong with an old guy wanting some young flesh and paying for the pleasure.
But its suprising how many guys I speak to both in the phills and thailand who actually believe they are handsome to these girls even if they had no money.
They will assure me yes but mine is different, she truly loves me.
My answer is always, try not paying her for a day and see if she still loves you, up to now none have had the balls to try LOL.
NapaSlapper
12-11-15, 02:26
I saw a few complaints about take-out prices, but if you take the movement of the US Dollar into consideration, the Atlantis price has actually come down (in relation to the dollar at least). A good part of this is a reaction to the US Dollar but I'm sure part could be just taking advantage of hobbyists. I've read this is the fast rise for the US Dollar in 40 years.
Someone else commented about going to Lain or South America, but you have a similar situation there with all currencies that I am aware of.
I had some serious health issues that are beginning to subside and I'm hoping to land in AC in a few months.I think you will find that most guys are not so worried about the higher prices quoted in angeles bars but they just can not find the type of girls willing to barfine that can command such prices.
A punter spending 3000 p-4000 p wants a slim very attractive girl with a good attitude.
When I visit many of the bars in angeles I think who ever hired these girls must have been either desperate or blind.
Thats not to say young slim girls are not dancing in some bars its just that these type of girls are few and extremely choosy who they will barfine with if at all.
Most guys are willing to pay good money for what they want, but I for one laugh at some of the fat, older, mummies who think they are worth any where near 3000-4000 p.
Mr Enternational
12-11-15, 02:43
Color does not matter, the only color that matters is green. These poor people look at westerners as a come up that's it. If you come to Angeles city with no money and are flat broke. Let see how far your white skin will get you. If a Filipino girl had to choose between a broke and poor white man or a broke a poor Filipino man, they would choose there own people any day. So don't think because your rich in a 3rd World Country people actually like you. They want what's in your wallet.
Try going getting a rich upper class Filipino girl in Manila, that is not desperate or poor. They would not even look your way.What he does not realize is that they perceive the Whites to have more money as is generally the case in their societies of lighter skinned people being better off financially and not having to participate in manual labor. Dark means you work outside in the fields where the pay is peanuts, whereas light means you have some gravy job in the shade or air-conditioning where the pay is more. You have to look deeper than the surface. There is a reason for everything. I like women with big asses but that does not mean I will like every woman with a big ass, or even most women with big asses. Also does not mean that I will never like a woman with a small ass. So if you think someone is going to like you solely because you showed up White then you are sadly mistaken.
GoodEnough
12-11-15, 04:02
Try going getting a rich upper class Filipino girl in Manila, that is not desperate or poor. They would not even look your way.Actually, this is pretty much nonsense. Well educated Filipinas from the richer families don't troll bars, rarely advertise on available girls.com and have in general, many of the same interests--both intellectual and social--as their Western counterparts. And while it's true they're not likely to express more than disdain for the average shorts, sandals and tee shirt clad low end tourist it's untrue that they're generally unavailable to courtship by westerners. The problem is that most of the guys coming here to bar hop and rent women for the night never get a chance to interact with such ladies and so are prone to make generalizations that's are unfounded.
Several of us who have lived and worked here, and who have had the chance to work and socialize with Educated, more financially secure Filipinos have been welcomed into the homes and the lives of the latter and have welcomed the opportunity.
GE.
Mr Enternational
12-11-15, 04:44
Several of us who have lived and worked here, and who have had the chance to work and socialize with Educated, more financially secure Filipinos have been welcomed into the homes and the lives of the latter and have welcomed the opportunity.And a great opportunity it is. I'm in Cebu right now. My girl here rents out the rooms in her house to college students. Her cousin's husband owns a hotel here. Last night was his birthday. There was a free lechon buffet and all you can drink from the hotel bar. Even had 2 birthday cakes. Had Happy Birthday sung to him twice two hours apart. Me and my girl left there drunk as skunks and spent zero pisos. It was a damn site far from guys saying they go out with chicks who invite their whole family and make the guy pay for everything. And dude's wife was drop dead gorgeous and classy. Nothing that you would find in a bar in Angeles or Manila that is for sure. My cheap ass would surely put down 4000 pisos if I saw her in a bar.
Returning to AC is a little like returning to the scene of a traumatic event not sure I'm emotionally ready to return to the land of rejection.
I don't know what to think. Previously you wrote this about AC.
I was there for three months and had some dismal absolutely dismal experiences of rejection from many of these girls, picking up gogo bar girls is a little like trying to meet regular girls at a regular disco. That is you want to try to look your best smell your best and put on your best charm offensive and be as nice and polite and funny as you can be.
Towards the end of my trip I seemed to have some pretty good success at almost all of the bars but I think that is because I was there for so long, three months, that I became somewhat of a recognized accepted regular figure and they came to accept me better.You posted many other comments that expressed your displeasure with the place. Might have all the raids occurring during your stay made the place more difficult? Appears you had a nice time in 2013; you even wrote an extensive FR, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1402851#post1402851.
angels city is without a doubt the meca of mongering. it surpasses any place in latin america. the women can be truly beautiful and in my opinion when it comes to beauty can hold their own against the best in latin america and thailand. they can be sweet as candy cuddle up to you all night long and then let you fuck their brains out the next morning. however, success is not guaranteed i had many as i said above about 1/3 of the girls i approached turned me down and few were quit cold and rude to me. You wrote a rave review about Manila.
Been here for nearly a week and have been having a great time. No ministration with these girls have not been told no once have gone into LA Caf G point Caf Havana EDSA and been able to approach what I think is the hottest girl in the place and within five to ten minutes I'm walking or catching a cab back to my hotel room with her, its just like picking up chicas in Latin America. Last nights EDSA girl does not seem to want to leave says its her day off today and for some reason she seems to think she is going to spend the day and night with me again.If your ticket can't be refunded or changed to another country perhaps you'll enjoy yourself more in Manila than AC.
FreebieFan
12-11-15, 07:54
Color does not matter, the only color that matters is green. These poor people look at westerners as a come up that's it. If you come to Angeles city with no money and are flat broke. Let see how far your white skin will get you. If a Filipino girl had to choose between a broke and poor white man or a broke a poor Filipino man, they would choose there own people any day. So don't think because your rich in a 3rd World Country people actually like you. They want what's in your wallet.
Try going getting a rich upper class Filipino girl in Manila, that is not desperate or poor. They would not even look your way.As GE says, wrong wrong wrong. I lived there for 6 years running a large multi national company and lived in a house within a subdivision that's known to be a wealthy enclave.
I had a few lunches with the mayor of makati and his family, (now the nations biggest crook) and this led me to invites a few cocktail parties and the like that were most certainly for the elite of Manila society. The rich but not the famous, no celebrities type folk of whom Manila is awash. From there I was able to date (when I chose to) many ladies with serious backgrounds, great educations usually in US schools, almost all owning a Masters, ladies who were running or close to running their families business. The girls themselves were a mixed bag of emotionally stable, emotionally wrecked, some playful, some Conservative (they all went to church once or twice on a Sunday) but most certainly these were the creme. So please don't speak for everyone in one these " know it all " sweeping generalisations because by telling everyone how much you know, you've just proved to me that you don't. How long have you lived in Philippines know, and do you know your Dasmarinas from your Forbes, your Urdaneta from your San Lorenzo and your Alabang from your Ayala Alabang?.
NapaSlapper
12-11-15, 09:11
As GE says, wrong wrong wrong. I lived there for 6 years running a large multi national company and lived in a house within a subdivision that's known to be a wealthy enclave.
I had a few lunches with the mayor of makati and his family, (now the nations biggest crook) and this led me to invites a few cocktail parties and the like that were most certainly for the elite of Manila society. The rich but not the famous, no celebrities type folk of whom Manila is awash. From there I was able to date (when I chose to) many ladies with serious backgrounds, great educations usually in US schools, almost all owning a Masters, ladies who were running or close to running their families business. The girls themselves were a mixed bag of emotionally stable, emotionally wrecked, some playful, some Conservative (they all went to church once or twice on a Sunday) but most certainly these were the creme. So please don't speak for everyone in one these " know it all " sweeping generalisations because by telling everyone how much you know, you've just proved to me that you don't. How long have you lived in Philippines know, and do you know your Dasmarinas from your Forbes, your Urdaneta from your San Lorenzo and your Alabang from your Ayala Alabang?.With all due respect FF, you might well have been able to date middle class pinays at will.
I too have done exactly that when I was working and living in manila and date an accountant with her own offices here in thailand who is from a very wealthy family.
But what you forget to mention is that middle class pinays / thais will expect their western date to be of similar age, attractive,well dressed, hold down a very good position with a very good salary, live in a good neighbourhood, drive a nice car and be able to wine and dine said lady in the better more expensive establishments.
What middle class, educated pinays will 100% not allow is a very large age gap, maybe 10 years at maximum,15 years if the guy looks like brad pit.
Basically the same set of rules apply as with any nationality of educated middle class girl the world over, nothing changes because that girl happens to be a pinay or thai.
I think its fair to say that most guys who travel long distances at great expense want to date, fuck girls young enough to be their daughters, grand daughters,
these type of guys can only do that by paying a prostitute,
when me and many other members speak about the type of girl that only looks at the money these are the prostitutes, no money no honey is 100% true,
educated working,middle class pinays are able to earn their own money,keep themselves in lifes comforts and look for the exact same things in a relationships with foreigners as any other girl the world over.
Chris Long
12-11-15, 15:52
I don't know what to think. Previously you wrote this about AC.
You posted many other comments that expressed your displeasure with the place. Might have all the raids occurring during your stay made the place more difficult? Appears you had a nice time in 2013; you even wrote an extensive FR, http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1402851#post1402851.
You wrote a rave review about Manila.
If your ticket can't be refunded or changed to another country perhaps you'll enjoy yourself more in Manila than AC.Yes the rejection element of AC has always been there and apart of my analysis of AC. I think initially I tried either consciously or subconsciously to ignore the levels of rejection which were always there from the very beginning. Now either I have gotten older and fatter and my personal rejection levels have increased or there is a general increase in rejection from the girls. This is something anyone considering a trip to AC should know, and something that rarely if ever gets talked about is the extremely high levels of rejection often quite rude rejection that you get from the working girls in AC and how difficult it can actually be to pick up a working girl in AC. You have to look your best smell your best and put on your best charm offensive to convince a bar girl to let you bar fine her, and at least 50% or more of the time the time she is going to tell you no (I have menstruation), this of course will only be after you have already shelled out for a couple lady's drinks.
Yes the option of going to Manila is very much in the forefront of my mind and there is a very strong possibility that after a day or two I may become so disgusted with the rejection and difficulty of trying to get a half way decent looking bar girl to let me bar fine her that I may go to Manila.
We shall see if AC wants my money or they have so many customers and they are making so much money they could care less about me spending my money there on this trip or any time in the future.
Chris
Pipe Layer99
12-11-15, 19:59
....Several of us who have lived and worked here, and who have had the chance to work and socialize with Educated, more financially secure Filipinos have been welcomed into the homes and the lives of the latter and have welcomed the opportunity.GE.I agree. I met and dated 2 Philippinas in USA Over the years. They always cooked for me and as well as invited me to many get togethers.
Also, when I worked in England years ago, I met a family across the street from me. The mom was very friendly and she knew I was single. One day she invited me to come over for a Philippine dinner. It was a genuine good thing and much appreciated. Everytime I saw them we had good conversation. Just good people and good neighbors.
NapaSlapper
12-12-15, 01:13
Yes the rejection element of AC has always been there and apart of my analysis of AC. I think initially I tried either consciously or subconsciously to ignore the levels of rejection which were always there from the very beginning. Now either I have gotten older and fatter and my personal rejection levels have increased or there is a general increase in rejection from the girls. This is something anyone considering a trip to AC should know, and something that rarely if ever gets talked about is the extremely high levels of rejection often quite rude rejection that you get from the working girls in AC and how difficult it can actually be to pick up a working girl in AC. You have to look your best smell your best and put on your best charm offensive to convince a bar girl to let you bar fine her, and at least 50% or more of the time the time she is going to tell you no (I have menstruation), this of course will only be after you have already shelled out for a couple lady's drinks.
Yes the option of going to Manila is very much in the forefront of my mind and there is a very strong possibility that after a day or two I may become so disgusted with the rejection and difficulty of trying to get a half way decent looking bar girl to let me bar fine her that I may go to Manila.
We shall see if AC wants my money or they have so many customers and they are making so much money they could care less about me spending my money there on this trip or any time in the future.
ChrisChris, I take it you have not been in angeles for some time, the rejection % from young slim girls is getting worse with my every visit.
As I wrote some posts back, my last trip I was with a mid 20's friend who is slim, tall and very handsome and he got rejected just as much as us older guys.
As I and many repeatedly say, the girls have so many other ways they can earn fairly large amounts of money working in angeles bars without having to fuck with any one.
Manila is a very good option and the rejection numbers are much lower because of the much higher prices the manila girls demand for their time making it more profitable for them to leave their bar with punters
I went to Angeles for the first and only time last December. I am in my mid 60's but in good shape and relatively handsome for my age. I experienced quite a bit of rejection from younger girls there or they flat out ignored me. I don't need to stay in a pit like Angeles and also put up with that nonsense.
The prior December, I did meet an attractive GRO who had been in Angeles for several years. We had a good time or at least she gave me that impression and so saved her number. Last week, when I texted her that I was in Manila, She first wanted to know who I was. When I reminded her, I was met with radio silence.
As a consequence I went to Subic Bay where I am currently staying. The quality is not nearly as good as Makati or Angeles but at least they all appear willing and available.
Member #4698
12-12-15, 01:36
Chris, I take it you have not been in angeles for some time, the rejection % from young slim girls is getting worse with my every visit.
Manila is a very good option and the rejection numbers are much lower because of the much higher prices the manila girls demand for their time making it more profitable for them to leave their bar with puntersAC sounds like it is becoming a bad joke. I haven't been there since 2013. I had some good times with some nice girls, but I also had a feeling that things were not right with the bar culture. Rejection from a bar girl? Even if the percentage is low, say around 20%, that is BS and totally unacceptable.
Meanwhile, I have never experienced a bar girl rejection on Burgos or EDSA. NEVER! All the girls are very friendly and more than willing to spend as much time with me as I want. Personally I think Manila girls are better looking, smarter, more sophisticated and definitely offer more of the GFE than their AC counterparts. I traveled to Asia twice in 2015. I hooked up with many amazingly sexy young girls in Jakarta, BKK. Pattaya, and Manila. And my two favorite girls were Burgos Bar girls. Manila captured the gold and silver. Forget AC until it gets better. RIP AC.
Tomasb, I am looking forward to hearing about your Subic trip. Happy trails!
Fast Eddie 48
12-12-15, 02:01
AC sounds like it is becoming a bad joke. I haven't been there since 2013. I had some good times with some nice girls, but I also had a feeling that things were not right with the bar culture. Rejection from a bar girl? Even if the percentage is low, say around 20%, that is BS and totally unacceptable.
Meanwhile, I have never experienced a bar girl rejection on Burgos or EDSA. NEVER! All the girls are very friendly and more than willing to spend as much time with me as I want. Personally I think Manila girls are better looking, smarter, more sophisticated and definitely offer more of the GFE than their AC counterparts. Forget AC. RIP.
Tomasb, I am looking forward to hearing about your Subic trip. Happy trails!To Natty.
I was in AC 2 month ago the Doll house group bar many of the girl only sit with you for drink don't barfined so it is better to go to the smaller bar girl are average but barfined is ok, I have girl at P Burgos say that they are cherry girl don't do barfined also and I heard it happening at bar at subic also.
Fast eddie 48.
Member #4698
12-12-15, 02:29
To Natty.
I was in AC 2 month ago the Doll house group bar many of the girl only sit with you for drink don't barfined so it is better to go to the smaller bar girl are average but barfined is ok, I have girl at P Burgos say that they are cherry girl don't do barfined also and I heard it happening at bar at subic also.
Fast eddie 48.Fast Eddie, I can't imagine why a punter would want to sit with a bar girl and just buy her drinks. After the 2nd or 3rd time a bar girl tried to pull this on me, I would adjust my game and begin to ask in advance if the girl is interested in barfining with me before I start buying her Tequilas.
Funny, the only cherry girls I ever encountered was in AC. I suppose there might be a few in Manila bars, but I never came across any.
In Phnom Penh hostess bars some girls (20% roughly) have adopted the BUY ME DRINK ONLY business plan. I wasted time and money buying drinks for several good looking hostess girls and then they hit me with the "I am on my mens can not barfine" refrain. But, they always had a good friend sitting in the wings, not nearly as good looking, who WOULD barfine. LOL. It was ridiculous. I gave up on the PP hostess bars for the most part when I discovered Darling Darling, a FL Hotel / Casino pickup bar where all the young good looking Khmer girls were dying to shag me. The FL's were asking substantially more money than the hostess girls, but they were not handing out any bullshit either. I think this is comparable to the friendly Manila girls asking substantially more than AC girls and the Manila girls being straight up with their customers about barfining. They all want to barfine and have a good time. They have good attitudes.
So I think there must be something wrong with the AC bar business model, the EWR, where the girls feel they are not getting enough of a cut and the bar mamasans have lost control of their girls. If punters still want to go to AC and put up with this nonsense then at least they know, thanks to this forum, what is going on and can adjust their game. I do not think all or even most AC bar girls play the Buy Me Drinks Only game, but enough do to make it a much less desirable destination for me than it once was. I will be visiting Manila again in 2016. I am looking forward to it. I know some great girls in Manila and can't wait to meet more. I do not miss AC at all.
Red Dogger
12-12-15, 04:06
Now either I have gotten older and fatter and my personal rejection levels have increased or there is a general increase in rejection from the girls. This is something anyone considering a trip to AC should know, and something that rarely if ever gets talked about is the extremely high levels of rejection often quite rude rejection that you get from the working girls in AC and how difficult it can actually be to pick up a working girl in AC. You have to look your best smell your best and put on your best charm offensive to convince a bar girl to let you bar fine her, and at least 50% or more of the time the time she is going to tell you no (I have menstruation), I am an old fat bald ugly asshole, and I got a few rejections, but nothing like 50%. It always seemed to me that they found my wallet witty, charming, and handsome, that they were friendly and eager to please, that they were, with a few exceptions, nice people.
The rejection level was mighty high considering that they were working girls and you would expect the rejection level to be near zero. But it was low, not enough to much trouble me, and never rude. Maybe I never hit on the kind of girl who might be rude.
Pinaypounder
12-12-15, 04:16
I am an old fat bald ugly asshole, and I got a few rejections, but nothing like 50%. It always seemed to me that they found my wallet witty, charming, and handsome, that they were friendly and eager to please, that they were, with a few exceptions, nice people.
The rejection level was mighty high considering that they were working girls and you would expect the rejection level to be near zero. But it was low, not enough to much trouble me, and never rude. Maybe I never hit on the kind of girl who might be rude.Really, try showering and brushing your teeth, I have never been rejected but then I am DEAD SEXXXXY.
Now when I ask one of them to fuck an elephant while the other blows me, that had brought rejection!
I don't even get rejected much from Freebies!
PP.
I got a few rejections, but nothing like 50%.The rejection rate depends on who you are, which bar you ask at, and what type of girl you ask.
I was in AC 2 month ago the Doll house group bar many of the girl only sit with you for drink don't barfined so it is better to go to the smaller bar girl are average but barfined is okIf you are not Northern Asian (Korean, Japanese or Chinese), your rejection rate at a bar such as Atlantis (which is very popular with the Koreans) will be higher if you pick one of the popular girls. It is market forces at work. The popular girls are barfined every single day. They can chose who they want to go out with. Some of the girls will only go with Northern Asians. Many of them will not do long time. Some of them will want to get 2 barfines a night.
A bar without many Koreans will have girls that will usually not reject you, especially if they are not that pretty skinny spinner type that most people like.
Another suggestion for GFE is to barfine some of the waitresses. Most of them are moms. They are hardly every barfined. Some of them are desperate and horny. But of course, the better ones (in terms of body and looks) will generally be the dancers.
The rejection rate depends on who you are, which bar you ask at, and what type of girl you ask.
If you are not Northern Asian (Korean, Japanese or Chinese), your rejection rate at a bar such as Atlantis (which is very popular with the Koreans) will be higher if you pick one of the popular girls. {S N I P}But Fast Eddie is of Asian ethnicity! Shouldn't that have helped him in his quest?
Ikksman
P.S. Not picking on you, but the most commonly used term is East Asian, not Northern Asian.
- Observed more construction, more Korean restaurants, and some name changes. I'm glad they razed those business shacks on Fields after Walking Street. It combines with the park in the back making it more larger. It would be better if they would clean it up.
- After my red eye flight, I attempted to get some caffeine from the Dollhouse (previously it was a 24 hour go-go bar). It was closed. The security guard said it opens at 6 PM because there weren't enough girls available. No other go-go bars were open on Fields at 11 AM.
- More bad news for the haters of the Korean hordes (LOL!) I went to 3 bars on Perimeter Road. Roadies, Orange and that new large bar next to Orange. At noon. It was packed with girls. I was surprised by the quality. The bars were not aggressive in pushing lady's drinks. Most of the customers were Korean. 2 of the bars had Korean managers. The other bar (Orange), had a Korean owner. The Koreans came in groups, in their vans and SUVs. And they barfined many of the girls early. And of course, most the girls barfined were the better looking ones at the bar. I spoke with one of the girls at Orange. She said she only accepts barfines from Koreans.
- Went to Nifty looking for one of my favorites. Darn, she isn't working there any more. Happens all the time. Still a sleazy place, where the girl will grab your penis and stroke it. You can fondle...all for a lady's drink. Everyone there were extremely pushy for lady's drinks. They even offered short time upstairs.
But Fast Eddie is of Asian ethnicity! Shouldn't that have helped him in his quest?I am assuming it would depend on which Asian country.
P.S. Not picking on you, but the most commonly used term is East Asian, not Northern Asian.No problem, I stand corrected. East Asian is correct. I just look it up on Wiki.
Attitude can lessen rejection. If you go into it with a good attitude and get rejected, then she is simply not for you, and you are not for her. It happens.
Make an effort in respect of appearance: shower, shave, clean teeth, fresh clothes, clean shoes.
Treat them like human beings, not prostitutes. I know they are fucking for money, but no need to rub it in with an arrogant meat inspectors attitude. If your nice, then they are nice. If not, move onto another prey. Not talking about kissing ass, just talking about being a respectable decent human being. Frank Sinatra once said: "Treat a tramp like a woman, and a woman like a tramp". Not literally, especially re treating a "woman" , but you get the idea.
Be your normal nice self, and they will be likewise. Don't forget most of the girls are getting rejected, viz, no ladies drinks, no bar fines, most of the time. If they can handle rejection, we can too.
Too many guys look at it from their angle only. Recipe for less success.
FritsVanegter
12-12-15, 11:00
Hello,
Yesterday I did go body shop. The girls were not that busy with dancing. I mean they hardly did move because there were just 5 or 6 customers present. Most of them had nice bodies not many jollibee bellies that you will see on other bars. I really like the tiny t shirts they are wearing showing real perky nipples on most of the girls.
Did take a nice looking 19 years old girl. She was funny and talkative not really naughty but I still had lots of pleasure. She did allow me to take pictures. Her name was Eliza. Birthday 30 December just to confirm in case you are interested.
Maybe I will try one of the ladies today.
Greetings,
Frits
IllusionHeart
12-12-15, 11:45
The rejection news is extremely concerning to me. I did face some in Phnom Penh but wasnt as concerning during my August trip. I hope I am not making a mistake by visiting AC in my upcoming trip. I have chosen Manila and AC over a revisit to LOS in December. I was in LOS in November and didn't want to return so soon especially during New Years. I will be in Manila from 27th to 30th Dec and then AC from 28th to 3rd of Jan. I will be finishing a weeks stay in Jakarta before I land in Philippines so hopefully the entire trip should not be as bad except for the AC leg which now seems to be of more concern.
I had visited AC in April as was ok with my stay and experience there hence the revisit. I am now hoping I don't get stuck with compromised choices in LGH pool all the time during my stay. Yes I am very picky and don't mind paying top dollar for a good girl beginning from looks. Guess will have to keep a backup plan to return to Manila if things don't go well in the first 2 days.
Any thoughts or suggestions.
I'm almost 69, skinny (just coming from cancer treatment), old looking and kind of frugal. I average around 3 to 4 trips to AC yearly. I've never had problems getting girls. Yes there has been some rejection but nothing like what is being talking about here.
First and foremost. I buy a drink for the mamasan, tell her what I want (BJ, anal, 3 some etc.) and she will line those up who will attend to my needs.
Here is an example. I have nurtured a relationship with a mamasan in PonyTails. As some know, PonyTails has become mostly ST. Yes some will go LT but most do ST.
I prefer early evening pulls for LT. When I tell her I want a BF she brings the girl / girls over to me that will be happy to service me. I let them know I want them to stay the night. Done deal.
Sexmachine1
12-12-15, 21:45
The rejection news is extremely concerning to me. I did face some in Phnom Penh but wasnt as concerning during my August trip. I hope I am not making a mistake by visiting AC in my upcoming trip. I have chosen Manila and AC over a revisit to LOS in December. I was in LOS in November and didn't want to return so soon especially during New Years. I will be in Manila from 27th to 30th Dec and then AC from 28th to 3rd of Jan. I will be finishing a weeks stay in Jakarta before I land in Philippines so hopefully the entire trip should not be as bad except for the AC leg which now seems to be of more concern.
I had visited AC in April as was ok with my stay and experience there hence the revisit. I am now hoping I don't get stuck with compromised choices in LGH pool all the time during my stay. Yes I am very picky and don't mind paying top dollar for a good girl beginning from looks. Guess will have to keep a backup plan to return to Manila if things don't go well in the first 2 days.
Any thoughts or suggestions.Hello everyone.
I have been going to Pattaya for the last many years with each trip being better than the last one. Heard a lot about AC but never been to Philippines. Finally decided to go to AC in January for 4 days before getting to Pattaya where I'll be staying for 2 weeks. I've been to over 20 countries in the last 8 years with about 50 trips in total. More frequent trips to Brazil, Costa Rica, Thailand, Germany etc.
I am very picky and only like young, slim, attractive girls. My rejection rate, if I think back, would be 1%-2%. So, it has not been a concern for me, ever. But frankly, all these posts have gotten me worried about AC. Most regulars and experienced guys are posting their experiences with rejection as well. I personally believe that there should be near zero rejection if the guy is clean, decent looking, has good attitude and willing to pay the market price. But AC gives me a different impression so far. If AC doesn't agree with me, I guess spending 2 days in Manila would be another option.
Will post my experience once I have gone through AC. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to get together in AC, PM me. I'll be there from 12 to 16 Jan. Will be in Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore in early part of Jan. And in Thailand, until 31st Jan.
SM1.
I can't believe all the negative reports on AC. It is 2015, not 1995, so stop trying to live in the past. I just returned from two weeks vacation and I had a great time. It not as good as 20 years ago, but it is better then most places. The internet, cell phones and DLD's are a big part of the change. I go to AC to enjoy my vacation, not to worry about being turned down.
Here is a really fun AC girl.
NapaSlapper
12-13-15, 02:11
Its funny how the majority of guys on angeles boards report that its much much harder to find slim attractive girls that are willing to barfine and we have some that are claiming they have very little problems,
Well I put this down to girl choice.
Yes if one goes to the perimeter road bars and does not mind mainly very plain, older mummys, fat girls, then getting laid is relatively straight forward.
Here's the BUT.
Most guys travel great distances at great expense to spend time with the type of girls they cannot attract back home, these type of girls can only be found in very small numbers in the top bars of fields avenue.
As has been pointed out by so many, even the slightly attractive girls of fields are very choosy on who they barfine with that's if you can get the little want to be princess to barfne at all.
The reasons for this have been made clear by many in recent posts.
NapaSlapper
12-13-15, 02:20
I can't believe all the negative reports on AC. It is 2015, not 1995, so stop trying to live in the past. I just returned from two weeks vacation and I had a great time. It not as good as 20 years ago, but it is better then most places. The internet, cell phones and DLD's are a big part of the change. I go to AC to enjoy my vacation, not to worry about being turned down.
Here is a really fun AC girl.Lets be honest here Robbaf, angeles is not 1% as good as it was 20 years ago.
Who wants to travel great distances at great expense to get rejection, most can get rejection by staying at their home countries.
Claiming that angeles is better than most other places is a large stretch of the imagination IMHO
Manila bars are busy,pattaya bars are very busy,bangkok bars are even busier with most only standing room,most angeles bars are lucky to have a handful of customer,why is this,could it be that punters have voted with their feet
Mr Enternational
12-13-15, 02:21
Most guys travel great distances at great expense to spend time with the type of girls they cannot attract back home, these type of girls can only be found in very small numbers in the top bars of fields avenue.
As has been pointed out by so many, even the slightly attractive girls of fields are very choosy on who they barfine with that's if you can get the little want to be princess to barfne at all.
The reasons for this have been made clear by many in recent posts.Forget the reasons. What are the solutions? So now that they can't attract the girls away from home that they left home to attract, do they stay home and beat their meat, stay celibate, or be flexible in the girls they will fuck? Or any other solutions? Looks like the women are not changing their tune so something will have to give on the monger's end.
Soldierb11
12-13-15, 02:39
A lot of chatter here about rejection rates and the trend of ST vs. LT. The same chatter can be heard if you sit long enough at Kokomo's, or Phillies. So I am sure some guys are feeling this way but I myself didn't really see much of a difference between trips in 2011,2013,2014 and this Sept 2015 trip. I barfined 9 girls from Fields Ave and 7 stayed all night. The other two asked after we were done if they could go home, I didn't get all depressed about it or my little feelings hurt I just said "sure" and enjoyed the extra space that night in bed. Shit happens every once in awhile and you move on. NOW if you are being flat out rejected or find 80% of the AC gogo girls leaving early then you need to look in the mirror and adjust your approach accordingly. For those of you contemplating your upcoming trips to AC, I don't think things have changed too much, JUST build some rapport with the girls and treat them with respect and they will return that to you ten fold.
Pics are from October 2015, all girls from fields ave and all stayed the night.
These rejects only represent a small minority of visitors. Certainly this does not represent a valid survey. I believe the vast majority of AC mongers are too busy boom booming to report in nor do they want to write good reports and create a stampede.
Truly most reporters here don't understand that AC girls are different. If you have to ask how or why, you will never understand it.
NapaSlapper
12-13-15, 02:40
Forget the reasons. What are the solutions? So now that they can't attract the girls away from home that they left home to attract, do they stay home and beat their meat, stay celibate, or be flexible in the girls they will fuck? Or any other solutions? Looks like the women are not changing their tune so something will have to give on the monger's end.MR, E, I am not sure what the solutions are, maybe the constant raids slowly coming to and end will attract more girls back to the bars of angeles.
Maybe completely changing the way angeles bars do buisness would be an answer like stop supporting all the other means a bargirl has to earn pisos in the bar.
But the main one for me has to be the bar owners and mummys have to take back control from the bargirls, stop the girls getting away with the shit they pull in the bars.
Maybe there is just not a solution, maybe its curtains for ac, maybe in the next few years ac will get back to competing with nearby destinations and get the girls, punters back in numbers, who really know what's ahead.
I for one complain loudly about what has happened to ac because I want to be able to visit regularly and have just as good a time as I once did, only time will tell MR, E. I live in hope
AC will not change to the old days.
The "solution" is to accept it and adapt.
You can go to other places, but even they aren't as they used to be. The golden age of mongering is over.
Actually, there is one solution from the rejections at Atlantis. You can reserve the entire club. I spoke with the manager. He said you can reserve / barfine the entire club. It was 10 thousand something dollars (last year's quote; it was under $20K). He said it has been done previously, and everyone had a great time!
Blanquiceleste
12-13-15, 09:48
A lot of posts here on the problems that plague AC. And a few attempts at providing solutions too. One of posts correctly pointed out that the girls in Manila charge a lot more but they also are guaranteed fucks!
THIS is the solution, IMHO. The girls, the bars and mamasans and everyone else in the trade are simply not making enough money. Why you ask? Because we mongers are not paying enough while the Japs & Koreans don't seem to mind. Mongers who are familiar with AC are just too used to the pricing structured that prevailed from years ago. We can call the Japs & Koreans names and lament about how they have ruined the market by throwing cash around, but hey! They are the ones walking away with the girls.
Imagine if you were in a job and did not get a raise for years together. What would that lead you to do? You would find another job that pays you more. This is exactly what is happening.
I also read some posts that say the girls simply refuse to barfine even before the price discussion starts. This is possibly because opinions have been formed about the average monger in AC and his attitude towards pricing. And then, the girls have other ways of making money thru the internet.
I think the way ahead will be to accept that inflation is a reality and cough up more money if we want to get the best pussy in AC.
A question for discussion. When one pays a barfine of 1950 P + 3000 P to the girl at EDSA or Burgos, we do not bat an eyelid. But if a bar on Fields says 4000 P for a girl then the worrld turns upside down. Why?
- Atlantis was packed with girls, at the opening. This club is very popular with the Koreans. Then at 1 AM, it's relatively empty. This club must be pulling in major money.
- Crystal Palace was good, at the opening. It didn't have as many girls as Atlantis, but the "model" lineup was pretty good. Around 1 AM, it was pretty empty, with no models present. Mamasan said they were all barfined. The models have the shows they have to perform, so they probably don't want to leave before the last show time, or else they have to give up their salary or pay a fine. You probably will need to offer them their salary that they will lose, if they accept you. I spoke with a Mamasan. She said the girl's acceptance of non East Asians are mixed. Some will, some won't.
- Insomnia was previously my favorite mid-level bar. It seemed to have gone downhill. Still decent, but they don't have the cuter ones like previously.
- Lollipop seemed to have improved. More decent girls. Maybe it is because they are now offering the spotlight girls a salary of 350 pesos a day. The customer base is reversed to Atlantis - 80% White and 20% East Asian. One girl said none of the girls will reject because you are White.
- Q bar is a small bar that's packed with average girls and customers. The previous manager (Paul) was a nice guy. RIP Paul.
Because we mongers are not paying enough while the Japs & Koreans don't seem to mind.That's not what I gather from speaking to several girls (of course my survey is limited in many ways). Americans / Europeans are not cheap asses. Girls do not say the Koreans are killer tippers.
Actually, from speaking to Thai and Filipino girls over the years, it seems the Japanese have the best reputation.
A question for discussion. When one pays a barfine of 1950 P + 3000 P to the girl at EDSA or Burgos, we do not bat an eyelid. But if a bar on Fields says 4000 P for a girl then the worrld turns upside down. Why?Because the best looking girls at Burgos are better looking than the best looking girls at Angeles.
Because Angeles was / is considered a valued, mongering destination.
Hi, some of you mentioned earlier that the security staff might put illegal items into tourist's bags to extort money from them. I usually travel only with one hand baggage. So nothing checked in. Do the staff eventually also try to put illegal staff into carry-on baggage? And if so, can't one prevent them from doing this by starring at them while they are doing the search? Thank you!
IllusionHeart
12-13-15, 12:02
Now I have two issues to deal with:
1. Rejections. Lot of members have voiced their opinions but the issue still remains. It seems to be a changing trend in AC and we should decide whether to get used to it (we don't have any option here really). The decision to skip AC would make more sense if one has had two or more bad trips. In Phnom Penh I was aware of the rejection and had planned accordingly. 2 girls who didn't go out with me in the entire trip, both however didn't mind the LDs. It didn't make an impact or disturb my mood. AC was a given in my last trip. I got a model girl off my table in Atlantis (Grace) once I was made aware about her geisha behavior and expectations. The decision was mine but I am also wary of the fact about a girl exercising hers. The difference lies in % of girls exercising that decision which will decide upon the trip experience.
2. ST for price of LT. As far as a girl is as honest as Louis from Crystal Palace was to me about ST, I have a choice and can make a decision. This is wishful thinking though to expect everyone to have same values. Issue remains on whether we can identify girls who drink, eat and go to disco with us and then bail out after a pop. We cannot and will have to continue to play Russian Roulette. This is the way it works.
As far as managing the Mamasan with drinks, my opinion is that they tend to push girls who either give them a cut (assumption) or are not being bfined by customers. Promises are made a lot but actual delivery would be questionable. Analogy might not be accurate but I have faced this in Jakarta. Had to reject all offers by mamasan in Travel and Classic.
Regarding not getting great quality girls back home, This can be an issue due to ones age or girls looking for relationship and support which one is not keen to provide. Price also plays a critical role in choices back home. I would attribute looks of an individual to be the last hindrance for getting quality girls combined with inability to communicate.
For a person traveling between Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines and Cambodia all within a span of few months I have always put up my best behavior and will continue to do so irrespective of the experiences because that is my natural self. I look for the best girls available and am willing to be a one or two week millionaire to enjoy that.
However time will tell soon about my experiences and I will report in detail after my trip to AC for New years.
IllusionHeart
12-13-15, 12:07
Girls do not say the Koreans are killer tippers.
Greenbud, Some of the girls I was with didn't like Koreans at all, surprising but true. At the end the day the volume of Koreans visiting and the money they paid is what mattered.
Specifically the girl whom I bfined from Stardust (Rochelle) on my last night told me that she was worried when she was called out from stage expecting a Korean customer but was glad to see me.
Strange but true experiences.
IllusionHeart
12-13-15, 12:10
Hi, some of you mentioned earlier that the security staff might put illegal items into tourist's bags to extort money from them. I usually travel only with one hand baggage. So nothing checked in. Do the staff eventually also try to put illegal staff into carry-on baggage? And if so, can't one prevent them from doing this by starring at them while they are doing the search? Thank you!Roginho, from what I have read on this scam is that the bullet was inserted in the luggage during security screening. It didn't matter whether it was a checkin in or carryon. Better to lock your bag rather then take a chance. Also there is some kind of distraction made to divert your attention. It all happens in a second.
We can't live under the pretext that it will never happen to us. As it is said "Prevention is better then cure".
NapaSlapper
12-13-15, 13:38
Greenbud, Some of the girls I was with didn't like Koreans at all, surprising but true. At the end the day the volume of Koreans visiting and the money they paid is what mattered.
Specifically the girl whom I bfined from Stardust (Rochelle) on my last night told me that she was worried when she was called out from stage expecting a Korean customer but was glad to see me.
Strange but true experiences.There is a very well known and very true saying in the phills.
When a pinays lips are moving she is 99.9% lying especially if that pinay happens to be a prostitute in search of a pay day.
Prostitutes are experts at telling their punters what they want to hear.
If a guy happens to be english then she loves english and all other nationalities are not good because of xyz.
If a guy happens to be korean then she loves only koreans and english american etc are not good because of xyz.
Wake up guys, did you really expect a pinay prostitute to tell an english guy she does not like the english and she prefers xyz instead.
It amazes me how many members of angeles boards post yes but this prostitute told me this so it must be true, truly amazing.
As far as some saying, lets stop being cheap and pay more money in order to get laid by the better looking angeles girls, well the opposite is true, its the expensive good looking girls of angeles that are getting dld bought for them constantly. Tipped constantly, money thrown at them, balls thrown at them so there is no incentive to leave their bar for the same or less money and have to fuck for it too.
Here's the facts, good looking, younger, slimmer girls of ac who have the looks, body to earn fairly large amounts by staying in their bar and not fucking with anyone are doing just that and I for one do not blame them after all why not chase the easy money instead of having to earn it the hard way by having to fuck guys old enough to be her father, grandfather for the same or less pisos,
these same girls who earn more by staying in their bar will refuse to barfine with koreans,japanese just as they will with westerners,it does not come down to race for these girls it comes down to easy pisos,
As to The fatter,older,uglier angeles bargirls that have little chance of any one buying dld for,throwing money at her or anything else are quite willing to barfine because thats the only way she is going to earn any money,so how i see it is that want the good looking ones then expect to face rejection,want the cheaper uglier/fatter girl then you are ready to go,
sorry to be blunt and hope my frank words do not upset anyone,just trying to be honest here
Chris Long
12-13-15, 13:52
Just got into town today.
First impressions WOW this place has really gone down hill both quality and quantity are way down. That could be because its a Sunday evening could be because I was out trolling to early between 7: pm to 8: pm could be because of the time of year. Over whelming number of women were in the 6 to 7 range in my opinion. Walked all around the usual places walking street short time bars. Numbers and quality were very low in the short time bars little to no freelancers available very few door girls most in the 6 to 7 range. Tried talking to a few most just ignored me and did not respond when I said Hello. Found one solid 9 who was approachable and friendly to talk to but once the subject of bar fine came up she suddenly mentions the word menstruation (wasn't surprised one but). Ran into another solid 9 who I had seen a couple times before 2 years ago when she was 19. She did not remember me at all and when I first approached her she was some what aloof and didn't seem eater to hold a conversation. But when I mentioned I had seen her before and I had pictures of her and I together she became more friendly and was willing to bar fine. I got the impression that if I had not told her that I seen her before and told her I had pictures of us together that getting her to bar fine would of been and up hill battle.
Its only a quarter to nine at night here but I just got in from a 24 hour flight and I'm wiped out. May just grab a bit to eat and shut it down early tonight. I will be in Asia for the next month. Will try to give a daily report on success or failure in AC while I am here.
My thoughts after the first night: For a supposed working girl city, P4P, Monger destination. This can be a pretty damn difficult place for a guy to get laid.
Chris
To the guys getting rejected, how old are you, what shape are you in, etc? Does that matter with these girls? I'll go to AC soon and report in.
Pipe Layer99
12-14-15, 00:43
To the guys getting rejected, how old are you, what shape are you in, etc? Does that matter with these girls? I'll go to AC soon and report in.Doesn't matter. I personally know guys in their 60's (20+ years older than me) and they still get girls. So age, weight, doesn't matter. It's all about the girls' perception of you as a customer and the money of course. Just screen the girl first. When you find one you like, ask her if she barfines upfront. If she say no, or I have my period, then no need to buy her a drink. Move on to the next one.
Doesn't matter. I personally know guys in their 60's (20+ years older than me) and they still get girls. So age, weight, doesn't matter. It's all about the girls' perception of you as a customer and the money of course. Just screen the girl first. When you find one you like, ask her if she barfines upfront. If she say no, or I have my period, then no need to buy her a drink. Move on to the next one.It is not always about the money. Some guys have a sour attitude and girls pick up on it. I go to AC to party and when girls see you having a good time, not sitting and staring, they are open to going out. If I go in a bar and I don't feel any vibe, I pay my bill and go to the next bar. So far, I have not run out of bars. I met one cute spinner and after playing with her for five minutes, I went to the CR, she followed and gave a me a BJ in the stall. But I do not go to the big show bars, as I find they are a waste of time and money.
IMO that is the best thing about the Philippines. There are so many options. I opened my WeChat and within 15 minutes I had 10 girls messaging me.
Robb.
I was there in Jan. Going there in two weeks the quality has been down the hot ones make more in Manila.
And like some people said on here so many facebook DIA is paying these girls for love stories.
Trust me I'm early 30's look like I'm 20's and I was shocked from the change of attitudes and looks.
I go every year and don't get me wrong was never rejected but especially from the high end bars.
The performance was horrible (Dollhouse, Crystal Palace etc) stick to the smaller ones you will get better GFE.
FritsVanegter
12-14-15, 06:42
Hello,
I did visit this bat two nights in a row. The atmosphere in the bar was nice. Most girls were funny and a few that look attractive to me.
The first night I did meet a lady called Belinda. Long hair, looks a bit Indian. Anyway she was really funny and caring every minute I spend with her. When having some food outside before going to the hotel it was just like meeting long list friend. In the room she was very nice too. Did love her rimming me after a good night of sleep. The next day she was not in the bar wanted to stay home and do laundry and just rest. She left 2 pm in the afternoon.
Next time I did take a girl named Lilia. A few years younger. In the bar she acted nice but once outside the bar she was constantly paying attention to other things but not to me. I did already got the feeling that it would be a dreadful night. She would not allow kissing. I loved her tits, small but solid but her attitude was just annoying. Because she did not respond a lot to my touch I just fell sleep. Around 8 am I did wake up, wake her up and told her to leave. She had the guts to ask for the chocolate bar I did show her before sleeping. She ID ask if I did bring some!
Will leave ac tomorrow so I don't think it is useful to complain in at the bar.
Maybe I will go back to the bar tonight to meet Belinda or I will take the girl I took from body shop a few days ago. The last one looks really nice and her attitude was nice too.
I agree that ac did go down in quality. There are more and more girls with a jollibee belly. There are still pretty ones to be found. But there are many who have a bad attitude towards customers. The way they are begging for drink is very annoying much to pushy.
Getting to acid a nightmare if you arrive at manila airport. Not sure if I will return. Only if I can fly directly into Clark airport.
Greetings,
Frits
Red Dogger
12-14-15, 08:41
To the guys getting rejected, how old are you, what shape are you in, etc? Does that matter with these girls? I'll go to AC soon and report in.Age and physical appearance is less important to girls than you think. Being nice to girls is less important than you think. Even money is less important than you think. It is hard to explain or describe what is important. Dressing well, shaving neatly, all that stuff, is rather important. Intangible things that are hard to define or describe are important. Seeming wealthy is important. Being fun is important. Charisma is important.
If you are having trouble BF a decent girl in AC then it boils down to one or more of AAA.
Appearance.
Attitude.
Assets.
Appearance speaks and smells for itself.
Attitude is very important. If you treating them like sluts and wh*res then why would they want to be with you? Most AC bg are not here for long. Mostly fresh out of the province looking to feed their family or pay for life threatening medical bills.
Assets. If you are a cheap Charlie then forget it. You don't have to over pay but tipping does help. Then again there are some people that tipping won't even help.
Nothing hard about it.
I'm guessing AC is the canary in the coal mine? I have noticed a drop in quality in the girls online, as well as an increase in price. One girl, a 9 in my book, just asked for 125 K php / month as that is what a Korean was giving her. Hmm.
I'm guessing AC is the canary in the coal mine? I have noticed a drop in quality in the girls online, as well as an increase in price. One girl, a 9 in my book, just asked for 125 K php / month as that is what a Korean was giving her. Hmm.She was just trying luck. Is that for just knowing her, or having her stay with him for a month? She just wanted to see if your a sucker.
I am not convinced Koreans bar fine or pay for sex, very much. Ladies drinks, fun night out (fun for them) with their mate / s, ladies drink chick sitting next to them, seems to be what they are after. I would not be surprised if young K's get sex without barfining, before or after girl works. I am not convinced they are big spenders. They have other things going for them.
Don't forget most K's are half or a third of the age, and half the weight (LOL) , of the white guys, who complain girls only go with K's.
With more effort you can still get the K girls. More rejections yes, but still can get an 8 , just about every night of the week. Persistence pays. Enjoy the challenge!
I was there in Jan. Going there in two weeks the quality has been down the hot ones make more in Manila.
And like some people said on here so many facebook DIA is paying these girls for love stories.
Trust me I'm early 30's look like I'm 20's and I was shocked from the change of attitudes and looks.
I go every year and don't get me wrong was never rejected but especially from the high end bars.
The performance was horrible (Dollhouse, Crystal Palace etc) stick to the smaller ones you will get better GFE.Angeles used to be hostess bar where you can pick any girl, bar fine her and she will give you good company and sex and leave in the morning. Tip was not anticipated and many girls were surprised if you give a tip.
Fast forward to now. Things has changed by variety of factors because of stricter prostituiton laws, bar fine term ban, cannot pressure the girl to go with anybody etc. So the girl can pick and choose who she goes out with. Most would be very happy just scamming you for money and not provide good service. However if the chemistry is there girl may provide GFE.
This is a pretty good summary. I think I would add "staying power". Or, the fourth A. AssOnTheGround, Some of you lucky dogs live there, some of you visit regularly. I visit at least once a year, and that alone has its advantages.
And for the guys who compare now and twenty years ago, have you ever considered that you are now twenty years older? "appearance".
Oh, and if you do Live in AC, is it possible you pissed off some of the gals / mamas? "attitude".
If you are having trouble BF a decent girl in AC then it boils down to one or more of AAA.
Appearance.
Attitude.
Assets.
Appearance speaks and smells for itself.
Attitude is very important. If you treating them like sluts and wh*res then why would they want to be with you? Most AC bg are not here for long. Mostly fresh out of the province looking to feed their family or pay for life threatening medical bills.
Assets. If you are a cheap Charlie then forget it. You don't have to over pay but tipping does help. Then again there are some people that tipping won't even help.
Nothing hard about it.
- Last Saturday, the bars (the several I went to) was packed with girls. On Sunday, it wasn't as packed. On Monday, some of the bars (such as Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Lollipop) had way less girls than before. Atlantis still had a lot of girls, but it wasn't as packed as it is normally. Not sure if it is the normal Monday pattern, or Christmas reasons.
- The "models" (decent looking girls performing cheesy shows) I cited previously at the Crystal Palace rotates thru the Dollhouse bars.
- Q bar was too packed on Monday. Couldn't get a seat. It was advertising "girls from 6 bars, free finger foods". The major bar groups have special nights / afternoons with specials.
And for the guys who compare now and twenty years ago, have you ever considered that you are now twenty years older? "appearance".Yes. The golden age of mongering in SE Asia is over.
- Last Saturday, the bars (the several I went to) was packed with girls. On Sunday, it wasn't as packed. On Monday, some of the bars (such as Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Lollipop) had way less girls than before. Atlantis still had a lot of girls, but it wasn't as packed as it is normally. Not sure if it is the normal Monday pattern, or Christmas reasons. ..............Sunday, Monday, Tuesday are the time for the girls to have their one day off. Apparently Sunday is the most popular day off, and the top girls usually take that day off. From Wednesday, full selection of girls. I believe if a girl is absent on a Friday or Saturday night, she is heavily penalized. So, Friday and Sat for biggest roll up. Sunday, Monday, Tues for depleted stocks.
Even with depleted stocks, there's a lot of girls on offer. Maybe 20 girls or more to every one guy. Angeles still remains the Phils favorite Supermarket of Sex.
Sounds to me like there is a new breed of Pinay in AC. The young and spoiled have come of age now. I wasn't there 20 years ago but I do know that times change and we must adapt!
- Observed a funny incident couple of days ago at the Crystal Palace. This Black guy wanted this dancer to come down. She refused and ignored him. He got angry and stormed off. I thought to myself, is this another case of discrimination? I talked to the mamasan. It seems the guy barfined and did her cousin. LOL! Another reason for rejection: Don't do her cousin.
- I would wish some of you guys would stop buying the counterfeit Viagra and Cialis from those pesky salesmen. It gets tiring to be constantly bombarded as you walk around.
Hint: If you are in Cambodia, you can buy the same counterfeit Viagra / Cialis from the convenience stores. It was between $6-8 for a pack of 4. Even better is to buy the generic Zeagra or G-Force. They were around $4 something for a pack of 4. Isn't that cheaper than here at Angeles?
It seems the counterfeit Viagra is less potent than the real stuff. And the generic Zeagra / G-force might be a little more potent than the counterfeit Viagra. This seems logical, since the generic brand name's manufacturer might want to maintain quality control (It's still "counterfeit" since they don't have authorization from Pfizer to produce it). I don't think you can trust the "pure" counterfeiters to maintain quality control.
Chris Long
12-15-15, 13:04
Day Two.
Spent the second day on Perimeter. Stopped into Pony Tails, Midnight something or another the two blow job bars around the corner from Garfield's, Drill Shak and Fire Pit. The girls were personable and friendly from the stage for the most part. Talked with a few and floated the possibility of bar fine and all that I talked with seemed open to the ideal of being barfined the girls in the blow job bars around the corner from Garfield's all tried to get me to take them upstairs for a blow job. Only problem was I found most of them to be in the 6 to 7 range and really was not interested in barfining any of them. Made my way back down to Raymond street where I found a tall thin long golden brown haired beauty who initially I placed as a 7 or 8 but once I got her back to the room and undressed I realized she was a real beauty and a solid 9. Said she was a former cultural dancer at Tropix but now for whatever reason is working in the short time bar on Raymond. Fell asleep around 6 pm after she left and then woke back up at 1 am. To late to go to any of the gogo bars as all the best talent would have been taken by then. So decided to avoid the gogos and just go to High Society. Walking street seemed to be a bit more lively than Sunday night a few freelancers out. But the place is still not the energy or vibe of what it used to be. Talked with a couple girls in High Society many seemed eager and willing to go but just wasn't finding anything stellar that I felt I had to have so decided to leave when I ran into a petite hot bodied girl on her way to High Society. Flirted and joked with her a bit and then popped the question about coming back with me and she was more than willing.
Day three.
When I woke up the girl who I thought was a solid nine who I met on Sunday but told me she was on men and couldn't go with me had text me the night before so I text her back and arranged to meet her in the afternoon. She showed up as promised and is the hottest girl I have seen here in AC so far so I told her I wanted to do long time which she agreed. She's here laying next to me now watching TV while I write this. Will just do long time with her today, says she does not want to go bar hopping, Just get something to eat and boom boom more later.
Thoughts so Far:
Have yet to go to any of the gogo bars on walking street but so far have found many women willing to bar fine and for the most part friendly and sociable. However, I have not found a great deal of beauties. Most women I have seen have been overwhelmingly in the 6 to 7 range in my opinion. Of course this is very subjective as one man's 7 is another man's 10. There is still action and fun to be had here in Angeles but it is not the vibe and excitement nor the number of people or the amount of super hotties that there used to be, many of the bars have changed names and many look like a cheap tin horn versions of what they once were. With Sunday nights men's girl contacting me and laying next to me now, I have been able to take any girl I wanted and have approached what I have thought were the hottest girls in the location I was in and all have been willing to go with me so far.
Chris.
-Hint: If you are in Cambodia, you can buy the same counterfeit Viagra / Cialis from the convenience stores. It was between $6-8 for a pack of 4. Even better is to buy the generic Zeagra or G-Force. They were around $4 something for a pack of 4. Isn't that cheaper than here at Angeles?
.In Phnom Penh for 30 US-dollar you can buy a box of 96 (24 * 4) Ziagra. Works very well. That is 31 cent for one.
Let me reconfirm. If I need a vitamin pick up in Angeles, I should drop into a Cambodian convenience store. How convenient!
No offense Greenbud, I've been thinking about a Cambodia and / or Laos trip for a long time.
Actually there was a recent report about good vitamins that are now available in Phil. Pharmacies. It may have been in the Manila thread.
-SNIP
- I would wish some of you guys would stop buying the counterfeit Viagra and Cialis from those pesky salesmen. It gets tiring to be constantly bombarded as you walk around.
Hint: If you are in Cambodia, you can buy the same counterfeit Viagra / Cialis from the convenience stores.
SNIP
Let me reconfirm. If I need a vitamin pick up in Angeles, I should drop into a Cambodian convenience store. How convenient!Or you can order via mail order services. There are many around.
My point was that it would be nice if people stop using the services of those pesky Viagra / Cialis salesmen. Then they would not be there and not bother us as much.
- As most know, and as you've seen in the picture threads, many Filipino girls do not use condoms. And being Catholic, they do not believe in abortions.
- Most moms in the bars are impregnated by their Filipino boyfriends (who then run away). Those bastards!
- Now there are many stories of Koreans, Aussies, Europeans and Americans that impregnate the girls. Some know, and some don't.
- Met this girl named Rizza at the Bunker Calypso. She has a 1 year old child by an American. 2 years ago (when he barfined her), the bar was named Calypso. The American got her pregnant. He doesn't know. Dude, if you're reading this, come back and support your responsibility.
Mr Enternational
12-15-15, 16:05
Or you can order via mail order services. There are many around.
My point was that it would be nice if people stop using the services of those pesky Viagra / Cialis salesmen. Then they would not be there and not bother us as much.Or maybe they would think they are not wotking hard enough and be around more.
- As most know, and as you've seen in the picture threads, many Filipino girls do not use condoms. And being Catholic, they do not believe in abortions.
- Most moms in the bars are impregnated by their Filipino boyfriends (who then run away). Those bastards!
- Now there are many stories of Koreans, Aussies, Europeans and Americans that impregnate the girls. Some know, and some don't.
- Met this girl named Rizza at the Bunker Calypso. She has a 1 year old child by an American. 2 years ago (when he barfined her), the bar was named Calypso. The American got her pregnant. He doesn't know. Dude, if you're reading this, come back and support your responsibility.Yeah because I'm sure he is the only guy that fucked her! Poor girl fucks one guy and get pregnant, I wonder if she still lets guys do her bareback?
ConquerorVal
12-15-15, 19:27
However, I have not found a great deal of beauties. Most women I have seen have been overwhelmingly in the 6 to 7 range in my opinion. Of course this is very subjective as one man's 7 is another man's 10. I have been able to take any girl I wanted and have approached what I have thought were the hottest girls in the location I was in and all have been willing to go with me so far
Chris.Or maybe one man's 10 is another man's 7. If it is subjective as you say why do you number them as you do?! We get it!! You only go for 7+ and usually the hottest girls in the bar. All those other poor schmucks having to settle for mediocrity.
Wolvenvacht
12-15-15, 19:52
And the generic Zeagra / G-force might be a little more potent than the counterfeit Viagra. This seems logical, since the generic brand name's manufacturer might want to maintain quality control (It's still "counterfeit" since they don't have authorization from Pfizer to produce it). I don't think you can trust the "pure" counterfeiters to maintain quality control.Corrrect me if I am wrong but I thought the patent on Viagra expired years ago and now generic Viagra is quite legal everywhere. For instance, in Thailand you can find the generic Viagra "Sidegra" in almost all pharmacies at a fraction of the cost of the Pfizer version (http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-thailand-viagra-drug.html) and there seems no difference in strength.
Corrrect me if I am wrong but I thought the patent on Viagra expired years ago and now generic Viagra is quite legal everywhere. For instance, in Thailand you can find the generic Viagra "Sidegra" in almost all pharmacies at a fraction of the cost of the Pfizer version (http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-thailand-viagra-drug.html) and there seems no difference in strength.The original patent in the US was supposed to expire in 2012, but the original patent was to treat cardiovascular diseases. Pfizer amended the patent for ED treatment; that patent is set to expire in 2019. Pfizer was sued in the US courts. Pfizer won. Pfizer has a valid patent in the US. Viagra is so damn expensive in the US!
It seems it's different in other countries.
It seems that the EU and Canadian courts have invalided the Pfizer patents.
It seems India never accepted the Viagra patent; they have been producing the generic for a long time. All the generics in the Cambodian convenience store states that it is made in India.
I thought Zeagra and G-Force was not as strong as the Viagra available in the US. But not positive. Not sure about the generic from Thailand.
- Last Saturday, the bars (the several I went to) was packed with girls. On Sunday, it wasn't as packed. On Monday, some of the bars (such as Atlantis, Crystal Palace, Lollipop) had way less girls than before. Atlantis still had a lot of girls, but it wasn't as packed as it is normally. Not sure if it is the normal Monday pattern, or Christmas reasons.
- The "models" (decent looking girls performing cheesy shows) I cited previously at the Crystal Palace rotates thru the Dollhouse bars.
- Q bar was too packed on Monday. Couldn't get a seat. It was advertising "girls from 6 bars, free finger foods". The major bar groups have special nights / afternoons with specials.
Yes. The golden age of mongering in SE Asia is over.I like Q Bar, but tend to stay away, as the music is SO loud you can't think. I am not sure why, but the managers must think the girls will dance better when the music is full blast.
This is a pretty good summary. I think I would add "staying power". Or, the fourth A. AssOnTheGround, Some of you lucky dogs live there, some of you visit regularly. I visit at least once a year, and that alone has its advantages.
And for the guys who compare now and twenty years ago, have you ever considered that you are now twenty years older? "appearance".
Oh, and if you do Live in AC, is it possible you pissed off some of the gals / mamas? "attitude".Spot on. Those who live there forget they live there and take it for granted.
Blanquiceleste
12-16-15, 01:23
It seems India never accepted the Viagra patent; they have been producing the generic for a long time. All the generics in the Cambodian convenience store states that it is made in India.
The catch here lie in the prevalent law in India. In the US the patent is granted for the product or the drug molecule to be precise. In India the patent & IPR laws grant a patent for the process, or the chemical reaction followed to produce the molecule. If the exact same molecule can be produced by another process then it is considered a perfectly legal drug. One reason why medication in India is so cheap.
That said, it is very hard to produce an exact replica because every molecule produced always has trace impurities which end up causing undesired side-effects. Else, every other kid with a home lab would be cranking out Viagra.
Fastpiston
12-16-15, 01:25
- As most know, and as you've seen in the picture threads, many Filipino girls do not use condoms. And being Catholic, they do not believe in abortions.
- Most moms in the bars are impregnated by their Filipino boyfriends (who then run away). Those bastards!
- Now there are many stories of Koreans, Aussies, Europeans and Americans that impregnate the girls. Some know, and some don't.
- Met this girl named Rizza at the Bunker Calypso. She has a 1 year old child by an American. 2 years ago (when he barfined her), the bar was named Calypso. The American got her pregnant. He doesn't know. Dude, if you're reading this, come back and support your responsibility.If this gentleman follows this poster's advice and returns, do a DNA test FIRST before believing a bar girls story line. Usually bar girls do not really know who fertilized them. Impregnation is not the same as fertilization! Also it is extremely common for bar girls to make such claims against foreigners as a way of pressurizing support / marriage. ALWAYS DNA test first as often it is just a scam.
Fast Eddie 48
12-16-15, 02:10
I am assuming it would depend on which Asian country.
No problem, I stand corrected. East Asian is correct. I just look it up on Wiki.To Green Bud.
I been going to AC every yr for the last 13 yrs never got Rejection until about 3 yr ago only at the large club, I think time change the hot girl are just there to sell drink I see them refused to be barefined by everyone.
Fast eddie 48.
Sexmachine1
12-16-15, 05:06
I have been able to take any girl I wanted and have approached what I have thought were the hottest girls in the location I was in and all have been willing to go with me so far.
Chris.Hi Chris.
Nice to read that you are having good time than your last visit and are able to get the girls of your choice. Makes me feel better since I'll be there in less than a month. I'll be keenly reading your reports. Thanks for posting.
SM1.
I been going to AC every yr for the last 13 yrs never got Rejection until about 3 yr ago only at the large club, I think time change the hot girl are just there to sell drink I see them refused to be barefined by everyone.If you go to Atlantis at midnight, you will notice that most of the cute, popular girls are gone. If you are there earlier, you will notice that the cute, popular girls are leaving with mostly East Asians; not all, but the majority of the customers are East Asian. Yes, some, depending on their mood, will just do drinks for the night.
I don't normally barfine those cute, popular girls at Atlantis. Most don't like to perform BJ for a long time, won't do 3-somes, won't do CIM. And most will only do short time.
Note: Atlantis is a unique case. It's the largest mega-bar in AC. It is very popular with the Koreans. Girls are in tuned with what that brings. There is a lot of business and a lot of girls at that bar.
Other bars have decent lookers also, just not all congregated in one place. You have to look and explore to get the cute ones. I see a lot of White guys with cute girls in Angeles.
The catch here lie in the prevalent law in India. In the US the patent is granted for the product or the drug molecule to be precise. In India the patent & IPR laws grant a patent for the process, or the chemical reaction followed to produce the molecule. If the exact same molecule can be produced by another process then it is considered a perfectly legal drug. One reason why medication in India is so cheap.
That said, it is very hard to produce an exact replica because every molecule produced always has trace impurities which end up causing undesired side-effects. Else, every other kid with a home lab would be cranking out Viagra.Actually, in the US you can get a patent on the molecule, the process for creating the molecule, the process for refining the molecule and in the case of pharmaceuticals use of the molecule (blood pressure vs hair growth).
Note, in pharmaceuticals, the big trick is not creating the molecule but in purifying it.
Chocha Monger
12-16-15, 07:24
If this gentleman follows this poster's advice and returns, do a DNA test FIRST before believing a bar girls story line. Usually bar girls do not really know who fertilized them. Impregnation is not the same as fertilization! Also it is extremely common for bar girls to make such claims against foreigners as a way of pressurizing support / marriage. ALWAYS DNA test first as often it is just a scam.Good advice! Bar girls can never be sure whose sperm won the race to fertilize their eggs as so many customers drop loads in their puss anyway from within a few minutes to a few days of each other. Usually, they just pick the customer foolish enough to leave their name and contact information behind or the one they think most likely to fall for the scam. When a bar girl chooses to fuck customers bareback without being on birth control she can hardly expect any support if she gets pregnant. She is renting pussy to strangers, not selling fatherhood and family life. A bar girl who rents pussy and then tries to pin pregnancy on her customers is like a monger going back to a bar girl and demanding that she pay his medical bills for treating a case of the clap, herpes, HIV, etc. That he suspects she may have passed on to him.
Frankly, the DNA test should not be limited to bastards fathered on bar girls. Anyone having a Filipina wife or girlfriend, regardless of her social class, should DNA test all offspring before claiming ownership of them. Filipinas have a strange habit of accidentally getting sperm deposited in their pussies from secret encounters with pinoy and other foreign guys. Just because the baby looks like your particular race or ethnicity does not mean anything because your pinay wife or girlfriend might have a certain type those accidental insemination tend to happen with to avoid obvious discrepancies in the appearance of the resulting offspring. Cuckoldry is a sport for Filipinas and they whisper about their exploits to each other whenever they get together in groups outside of the foreigner's earshot.
Also, guys dropping random loads in bar girls should really take a stroll in Hadrian's Extension and ponder if that is where they want their bloodline to end up. I think most guys want their gene pool to evolve not devolve. It is true that a half-white Filipina would grow to be a spotlight dancer at Atlantis or Dollhouse where she could reject fucks from old fat bald smelly Western mongers, and make money from drinks and Japanese or Korean sponsors. However, if the offspring is male, he would not find many options available for getting out of the slum beyond becoming a ladyboy perhaps. And that is a really fucked up fate for one's son.
Ignore the nonsense the girls tell you about wanting their baby to be a handsome man like you. Forget your dreams about holding Ding Dong Monger Jr's hand on his first mongering crawl on Field's Ave. What the girls really dream of is getting at least 18 yrs of support from you and a few other guys. Recently, when I pulled out the condoms from the nightstand, the pinay said, "You are bad! Why you put condom. I thought we are making baby tonight?
NapaSlapper
12-16-15, 11:29
To Green Bud.
I been going to AC every yr for the last 13 yrs never got Rejection until about 3 yr ago only at the large club, I think time change the hot girl are just there to sell drink I see them refused to be barefined by everyone.
Fast eddie 48.Have to 100% agree with you.
Hot girls, or the kind of girls I am attracted to are only found in the bigger bars and as you say they refuse bar fine with any one.
NapaSlapper
12-16-15, 11:58
If you go to Atlantis at midnight, you will notice that most of the cute, popular girls are gone. If you are there earlier, you will notice that the cute, popular girls are leaving with mostly East Asians; not all, but the majority of the customers are East Asian. Yes, some, depending on their mood, will just do drinks for the night.
I don't normally barfine those cute, popular girls at Atlantis. Most don't like to perform BJ for a long time, won't do 3-somes, won't do CIM. And most will only do short time.
Note: Atlantis is a unique case. It's the largest mega-bar in AC. It is very popular with the Koreans. Girls are in tuned with what that brings. There is a lot of business and a lot of girls at that bar.
Other bars have decent lookers also, just not all congregated in one place. You have to look and explore to get the cute ones. I see a lot of White guys with cute girls in Angeles.Have to respectfully totally disagree with you greenbud.
You obviously know nothing about the inner working of Atlantis bar or any of the dollhouse group bars, here's why.
The popular good looking slim attractive girls are never gone on barfine by 12 pm, never, you will find that contrary to what you claim most if not all of the good looking atlantis girls are hired as cultural dancers by atlantis bar that means they are employed to do the floor shows every night which finish much later than 12 pm.
Atlantis bar goes to extreme lengths to hire slim attractive girls who are capable of dancing, they hire professional dance choreographers to teach the girls the many shows they perform, they hire professional make up artists to apply make up, spend vast amounts on many costumes for the girls and also pay these girls much higher salaries than any other girls in angeles, do you honestly think that atlantis bar would go to such lengths to earn a very small amount in commision for the girl leaving early to bar fine and not be available to complete their nightly routines.
Simply put, the cultural dancers which are most if not all of the better looking, younger, fitter girls of atlantis bar,the dhg bars and most of the other large bars that have floor shows are employed as cultural dancers, end of story, they are there to dance, get drinks bought for them, have money thrown at them from the balcony not to barfine early
Having said that if one is willing to attend atlantis bar on many nights and in between her performances buy her lots of dld,promise to take her somewhere nice after work and promise her a very very large tip then maybe,just maybe she will leave with a punter after she has finished her dance routines, but dont hold your breath as she already earns nightly much more than professional pinoys earn so does not need to sell her pussy to anyone in order to eat,
Not trying to have a go at you greenbud just trying to let the board members have the truth behind the big bars strategy.
as far as white guys with pretty girls on the street,who said these girls are bar girls, or the guy barfined then from an angeles bar,many guys spend months on dating sites meeting girls online for their upcoming trips,most of the friends that i meet up with regularly at the lewis grand hotel in angeles are there with girls that they brought in from meeting them online and flew the girls in for a short holiday
AmericanThief
12-16-15, 12:30
- As most know, and as you've seen in the picture threads, many Filipino girls do not use condoms. And being Catholic, they do not believe in abortions.
- Most moms in the bars are impregnated by their Filipino boyfriends (who then run away). Those bastards!
- Now there are many stories of Koreans, Aussies, Europeans and Americans that impregnate the girls. Some know, and some don't.
- Met this girl named Rizza at the Bunker Calypso. She has a 1 year old child by an American. 2 years ago (when he barfined her), the bar was named Calypso. The American got her pregnant. He doesn't know. Dude, if you're reading this, come back and support your responsibility.Korean men usually don't use condoms, cum in girls, racist and superior to all SE Asians. Yet they can't get one of their own.
They openly seek out [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls and refuse to use protection.
http://www.koreabang.com/2013/stories/10000-korean-children-born-to-filipina-prostitutes.html
http://www.koreabang.com/2015/stories/dead-beat-korean-fathers-of-kopino-children-revealed-online.html
Have to respectfully totally disagree with you greenbud.No problem.
You obviously know nothing about the inner working of Atlantis bar or any of the dollhouse group bars, here's why.
I wouldn't use "nothing" as an adjective. Glad you know how it works!
do you honestly think that atlantis bar would go to such lengths to earn a very small amount in commision for the girl leaving early to bar fine and not be available to complete their nightly routines.
Not sure. What's the answer? I speculated in another post (for model/cultural dancers that rotates between the DH group) that you would have to make up her salary for the night or pay her fine. In an another bar, I offered to pay the salary that the cultural dancer would lose for the night for her to say yes to me.
The popular good looking slim attractive girls are never gone on barfine by 12 pm, never, you will find that contrary to what you claim most if not all of the good looking atlantis girls are hired as cultural dancers by atlantis bar that means they are employed to do the floor shows every night which finish much later than 12 pm.Yes, many of the cultural dancers are cute.
IMO, the popular, cute non-cultural dancers are gone by 10 PM.
I was jet lag and committed a sin. I spent my first night in the ABC Hotel alone. Now I regret it. Anyway, this report is about the following morning:
After a long night's rest alone, I had breakfast at the ABC restaurant poolside. Then, feeling horny since I didn't take anyone home the previous night, I went back to my room and called a massage agency. While I was on Walking Street, girls had given me massage business cards, and I kept a couple in my pocket. Good thing because this morning I was in the mood for a massage. On one card it said 300 pesos for one hour. When I called, the lady answering the phone asked if I had a special request. So, I specified young, skinny, cute. 10 minutes late, Joanne was at my hotel room door, looking very young, skinny, and cute!
There was a bit of a language barrier, but Joanne made herself understood. She gave me a kind of lame massage for 30 minutes, then I turned over and she questioned me, "Extras?" Of course! So she hopped in the shower quickly and then returned to my bed, where she gave an out-of-this-world BBBJ. I mean, really how in the hell does an innocent acting 21 year old from the provinces learn how to do that. According to her, she has only been in AC since late August.
Then, it turned into very tight sex with her on top the whole time, but she complained throughout that it hurt. After 10 minutes, she discovered that she was bleeding. Ahhhhh, it was feeling so good, but we had to stop and clean up. Luckily, no blood got on the sheets or bathrobe or towels. Otherwise, I would've had to pay a fine. We washed up in the shower together, getting each other soapy! Then, back on the bed, with boom boom now out of the question, she took 30 minutes to give me more BBBJ and HJ until I came. Throughout, there was DFK and GFE. What a surprise, considering I had no idea what to expect, and considering the forums regularly talk about how the massage girls in the street do not provide extras. So, she overstayed her time. We went 80 minutes. I paid her 1200 pesos, having no clue if that was right. But she seemed happy. We swapped facebook information and off she went before her agency got mad. Toward the end of our session, she kept getting texts telling her she had gone overtime.
Not sure. What's the answer?Here's the answer how it works with the regular cultural dancers at Atlantis. Went barhopping tonight; spoke with a mamsan; didn't speak with that Western manager. But I can if....
Per my speculation, it's the same as Insomnia. Logical...
Some of the cultural dancers are cherry girls. Some only do drinks. Some are willing to be barfined.
IMO, the draw of the bar is not the cultural dancers, it's the normal dancers that fuck and suck.
The cultural dancers are free to go out anytime. But they have a financial penalty (probably their day's wage?) A poster wrote that his friend earned 500 pesos a day; that number seems logical.
On Wednesday night, there were at least 9 (probably 5 more) cultural dancers. Mamasan said since it's Wednesday, there isn't a lot; she said there's a lot more on Thursday. IMO, the quality wasn't great. Above average, but not as good as the top 5 (out of approx. 200) on a Saturday night (although 1 of them would have competed). From Thursday on, I assume some of the cultural dancers will compete with the top 5 on Saturday. The top 5 (of the dancers on Saturday) are eye candy. You need to get there early to see them. They get barfined EARLY.
HINT HINT: Ask the mamasan. She will know which girls are cherry girls, which girls only do drinks, and probably which girls are selective (i. e. Only do East Asians). This hint should apply to both the cultural dancers and the regular dancers.
Fast Eddie 48
12-16-15, 21:09
Have to 100% agree with you.
Hot girls, or the kind of girls I am attracted to are only found in the bigger bars and as you say they refuse bar fine with any one.To NapaSlapper.
Correct many hot girl at the large bar have sugar daddy already been book in advance, many ISG member think is discrimination and attuide is not the case they will reject even the young Korean also.
Fast eddie 48.
Screaming Beaver
12-17-15, 01:07
I saw today the Aussie dollar is trading at only 34 to the peso so I thought I'the pop into Moon's Bar to investigate how it's affecting business. This is a bar patronized mainly from middle class elderly Australians. The mood was depressing. The AC / DC video in the background did nothing to improve their attitude. One guy at the bar was literally crying in his beer moaning about not even being able to afford the bargain basement beaver selling for 500 pesos. He knows he's stuck. If he can't afford this place where the hell can he move? The continual plunging oil prices does not bode well for his currency. There was a food vendor outside selling disgusting cheap local food like Balut and his only customers were Australians.
NapaSlapper
12-17-15, 01:40
Here's the answer how it works with the regular cultural dancers at Atlantis. Went barhopping tonight; spoke with a mamsan; didn't speak with that Western manager. But I can if....
Per my speculation, it's the same as Insomnia. Logical...
Some of the cultural dancers are cherry girls. Some only do drinks. Some are willing to be barfined.
IMO, the draw of the bar is not the cultural dancers, it's the normal dancers that fuck and suck.
The cultural dancers are free to go out anytime. But they have a financial penalty (probably their day's wage?) A poster wrote that his friend earned 500 pesos a day; that number seems logical.
On Wednesday night, there were at least 9 (probably 5 more) cultural dancers. Mamasan said since it's Wednesday, there isn't a lot; she said there's a lot more on Thursday. IMO, the quality wasn't great. Above average, but not as good as the top 5 (out of approx. 200) on a Saturday night (although 1 of them would have competed). From Thursday on, I assume some of the cultural dancers will compete with the top 5 on Saturday. The top 5 (of the dancers on Saturday) are eye candy. You need to get there early to see them. They get barfined EARLY.
HINT HINT: Ask the mamasan. She will know which girls are cherry girls, which girls only do drinks, and probably which girls are selective (i. e. Only do East Asians). This hint should apply to both the cultural dancers and the regular dancers.Sorry greenbud going to have to disagree with you 100% again.
Most if not all of your post is incorrect,
Your claim of atlantis only having 9 cultural dancers on any given night is not accurate, at present, there is in access of 50 cultural dancer girls who are in the various dance groups and do the shows nightly in atlantis bar, there is not less on certain days of the week as these girls are employed as full time staff and are working every single night.some good news is that 8 new girls are busy learning the various routines and will be in the cultural dancer teams as of new years eve party,all 8 are cute as hell,especially jenalyn so look out for her,
Your imformation of all cultural dancers in atlantis can be barfined early or before they have finished their dance routines is total fabrication and I have explained why in my previous post to yourself.
The girls you see standing on the first floor balcony and being paraded on stage in moving lines in between dance shows are the girls that can be barfined, they are 100% not the dancers of atlantis and perform zero dance routines, they are called spotlight girls and can be identified by their green tags, price 3000 p.
Not sure who the member of staff is that you are claiming to be a mamasan in atlantis,i can tell you with 100% certainty there are no mamasans employed in atlantis bar,if you are reffering to the greeter girls that have the laser beams and will point at certain girls to come have a drink with a customer then these are not mamasans they are greeter girls and can make zero negotiations on behalf of the girls,
Please if you are going to report on a certain bar or a certain group of girls then at least get the imformation correct, this board survives on members giving correct imformation so that others can make imformed decisions on whether to visit or not.
NapaSlapper
12-17-15, 01:51
To NapaSlapper.
Correct many hot girl at the large bar have sugar daddy already been book in advance, many ISG member think is discrimination and attuide is not the case they will reject even the young Korean also.
Fast eddie 48.You are 100% correct Fast eddie.
Most of the hot girls have sponsors, mostly by wealthy buisness owners in angeles and a high % from koreans who either live in angeles full time or visit regularly.
Alas, gone are the days when one could fly into angeles, go into any bar, choose the cutest girl there and she would be jumping for joy at the thought of being barfined.
Your claim of atlantis only having 9 cultural dancers on any given night is not accurate, at present, there is in access of 50 cultural dancer girls who are in the various dance groups and do the shows nightly in atlantis bar, there is not less on certain days of the week as these girls are employed as full time staff and are working every single night.some good news is that 8 new girls are busy learning the various routines and will be in the cultural dancer teams as of new years eve party,all 8 are cute as hell,especially jenalyn so look out for her,I wrote / implied that I observed 14 cultural dancers on Wednesday (at approx. 9:30). I just saw 2 groups. I didn't ask how many there were. I don't think 36 cultural dancers were hiding in the back. Of course there's more. Didn't I write that there's a lot more coming on Thursday. Saturday seems to be the most packed with girls.
Not sure who the member of staff is that you are claiming to be a mamasan in atlantis,i can tell you with 100% certainty there are no mamasans employed in atlantis bar,if you are reffering to the greeter girls that have the laser beams and will point at certain girls to come have a drink with a customer then these are not mamasans they are greeter girls and can make zero negotiations on behalf of the girls,Geez. If you want to be technical (for police raid purposes), then yes. Those girls are mamsan types that people can ask questions about the girls.
this board survives on members giving correct imformation so that others can make imformed decisions on whether to visit or not.LOL! One of the only things you said that I 100% agree with you.
I was talking to a waitress. I mentioned that I liked the go-go bars in Thailand better because they had full nudity.
Then she said go to the Diamond Bar which has full nudity. But it's a Filipino bar.
I don't want to go because I don't have cheap reliable transport (don't want to pay for the hotel taxi).
If anyone wants to go there and report on it, she said it's near by.
BrainDrain
12-17-15, 04:32
I saw today the Aussie dollar is trading at only 34 to the peso so I thought I'the pop into Moon's Bar to investigate how it's affecting business. This is a bar patronized mainly from middle class elderly Australians. The mood was depressing. The AC / DC video in the background did nothing to improve their attitude. One guy at the bar was literally crying in his beer moaning about not even being able to afford the bargain basement beaver selling for 500 pesos. He knows he's stuck. If he can't afford this place where the hell can he move? The continual plunging oil prices does not bode well for his currency. There was a food vendor outside selling disgusting cheap local food like Balut and his only customers were Australians.This is a topical post. He exchange rate has certainly plummeted from two years ago where it was $1: P45. They were happy days and now 25% worse.
Even at P45 if you had looked around there were still sad bars with sad people. Apparently balut can be cost effective.
On my last trip where I think I was getting P31 it was sad to look back. But. Then I took a reality check. I was dining on P1500/ night girls that would steel my heart and take everything every which way. Here at home I'm paying P1,800 for a 60 minute massage + P1,500 for a handjob finish.
Also, need to consider the 10% inflation rate in PI. Any one on an indexed pension is only going up 2%.
So, even at P31 it is good value in Philippines, just not as good as he old days.
I still think AC is one of the best value places for mongering, given the variety and fun that can be had.
For my next PI trip I'll be spending more time in the provinces, find a girl to stick around 2-3 days. It's more cost effective, they can eat in the room rate which includes breakfast and dinner.
I really do miss AC.
BD.
This is a topical post. He exchange rate has certainly plummeted from two years ago where it was $1: P45. They were happy days and now 25% worse.From the American perspective, life is good. Philippines got cheaper. And now, we can afford Australia!
I still think AC is one of the best value places for mongering, given the variety and fun that can be had.I agree. I think Angeles is a shithole, but I still like it.
Chris Long
12-18-15, 04:43
Day Four:
Rain Rain Rain and more Rain. It literally rained All Day, from a down pour to a drizzle back to a down pour then back to a drizzle. Jessica the girl who originally told me she was on men but then text me the next day to come over spent the night the night before. Had fun with Jessica in the morning before she left, she is definitely the hottest girl I've seen in Angeles so far. Headed for the gym pouring down rain everyone has umbrellas, I'm trying to walk through the shallowest part of the flooded street when the short cute girl in front of me is moving at a snail's pace while she is texting. Once we get past the flooded lake to dry ground I'm able to step past her and look over and see that she has the sexiest Rachel Welch type of face so I strike up a conversation, try to be witty and funny she is receptive and friendly so I invite her back to my place and she agrees. The gym can wait. Turns out she's the maid at the house next to my hotel where her sister is married to a retired USA Military guy.
Later that evening meet up with an old friend Captain Munch who lives in AC for a little bar hopping. We stop into Geckos, Centaro, Lancelot, Yam yum (or something like that), Brown Sugar, and Kings Landing, the old Camelot. In many of the bars the lineup was between a 6 and 7 in my opinion, in Yam yum and Centaro, they barely had any line up at all as there were so few girls and it wasn't even 9 pm yet. In all the bars we stopped at the girls were friendly from the stage smiling personable and flirtatious. The only exception to this was Brown Sugar, here the girls were dancing with stony faces and did not seem interested in interacting with the customers. The line up in my opinion was mainly in the 6 to 7 range but there were two or three really attractive waitresses. Briefly tried to strike up a conversation with one, when I mention the word of bar fine a look of disbelief comes over her face and she pretends not to know what I am talking about. I got the feeling that bar fining out of Brown Sugar could be an uphill battle and there is a very strong possibility of rejection. In all the other bars however I was picking up positive vibes about bar fining. Camelot and Kings Landing definitely had the best line up of any of the bars we visited. In each there were two or four definite 8's or 9's. I end up hitting a home run and take what I think is the hottest girl I seen of the night out of Kings Landing. She's totally open to bar fining turns out to be a super star, great personality, fantastic sex, a real GFE cuddle bug to sleep next to at night, likes to cuddle up and purr next to you all night.
Day Five:
Spend the entire day with last night's bar fine from Kings Landing. She finely leaves at 6:30 pm because her shift starts at 7, great experience with this girl, an all-around winner in every way. Meet up with Captain Munch for a little more bar hopping. Its Thursday night and there is definitely more life on Walking Street more door girls and some very nice looking door girls in front of many of the bars. We hit Sea Star and Viking. Very nice line up in both bars with some attractive girls, definitely some 8's and 9's available, again many are friendly, sociable and flirtatious from the stage. Both Captain Munch and I interview a girl at each bar and both are eager and open to bar fining, however, we decide we are not ready to bar fine yet. In both bars the vibe was that the girls were eager for bar fining and there seemed to be a general let down by the girls when Captain Munch and I didn't bar fine them. We are on our way to another bar when I strike up a conversation with a hot tight bodied little 70 pound spinner door girl in front of hot lips. Just turned 19 five days ago, just lost her cherry a few months ago. She's friendly receptive and when I pop the bar fine question she is more than willing to go, so off we go. Unbelievable fantastic sex with this tight bodied little spinner but turns out to be a disappointment in the end as after the boom boom she wants to go home. I tell her its OK and decide to shut it down and recharge my batteries for Friday night.
Thoughts so far:
The past couple days of bar hopping on walking street have given me a much better opinion of AC. Some attractive girls can be found and the willingness and push by the girls for bar fining has very encouraging so far.
Chris
Here's the answer how it works with the regular cultural dancers at Atlantis. Went barhopping tonight; spoke with a mamsan; didn't speak with that Western manager. But I can if....Such a minor point to argue about. But I have nothing to do during the daytime here at Angeles. LOL!
I spoke with that Western manager last night (Thursday). He seems to be a nice guy.
The dancers that perform the dance routines are divided into 2 groups called the cultural dancers and coyote dancers. I asked him what the difference is. He said none, just to make it more lively and fun. They wear matching outfits (last night it was black bikinis and yellow / black checkered bikinis, not that elaborate. Outfit changes during the week). These are the regular cultural / coyote dancers at Atlantis. Now, there are sometimes special groups that the DH group advertises and does special shows. Last night, they had these special pole dancers (it was advertised with posters). Previously, I've seen special shows (in which the DH group advertised) where the girls wore elaborate outfits. Didn't ask if these girls are able to go out. Maybe this where some people are getting confused with.
Confirmed with the Western manager: the cultural and coyote dancers are able to go out anytime, but sometimes they are "shy".
Hence the whole point is: Talk to the "Head Waitress" (the mamasan type who wears that nice business attire who are directing the girls). They will know which girls (for both the cultural / coyote and regular dancers) are cherry girls, which do not barfine, and (most importantly for non East Asians) which girls are selective.
- I like the way Atlantis is run. It's professional.
- The girls are directed (by laser) to stand on the lower and upper stage, spread apart evenly. They don't yap in groups like other bars. I was in another bar, and I left early because the girls yapping with each other drowned out the music.
- Early on during the evening (maybe between 7 and 8 PM), the regular dancers rotate between the lower and upper stages. After their set on the lower stage, the girls walk in a line up to the upper floor. You then can get a close up look at the girls. This whole process makes it easier for the groups of East Asians (and others) to come in, and chose their girls. The cultural dances occur later on the night.
- Even the regular dancers are divided into groups: spotlight, free style, etc.
- Last night I observed 13 cultural dancers on stage performing their routines. I observed 7 coyote dancers milling around, but don't know the coyote total since I didn't see their dance routine.
- I was told (yes, bar girls lie. You have to talk to multiple girls, read between the lines, and know situation and intended audience) regular dancers get either 140 or 250 pesos. The 140 is for the girls who wear the normal bikinis and 250 for the girls that wear the string bikinis. Seems lower than other bars, but Atlantis attracts the large number of customers resulting in a huge number of barfines.
- Last night, some of the girls changed to "models". They do a modeling show. They wore a string bikini with decorate tape covering parts of their upper body. Now, their salary for the day goes up to 500 pesos, but they lose it all if they leave before the night ends.
- Was told that some of the cultural / spotlight girls have boyfriends. I think that's the code work for sponsor. She said that some do go out, but only for very short time (maybe for an hour) because they have "boyfriends". LOL!
- Was told they have 5 guys (all gays) that help with the make-up and hair for the girls. All gays, no real men allowed. LOL! One reason why many of the girls looks so good.
- IMO, on Thursday most of the cultural / coyote dancers I observed were above average. A few were pretty cute. A few were marginal. The cute ones, IMO, will compete for the top 5 on a Saturday night.
- As written previously, many of the girls are selective, just East Asians. I think the girls will accept Singaporeans. One girl said she also accepts Americans, but she doesn't accept Indians and Malaysians.
NapaSlapper
12-18-15, 08:16
Greenbud, seems you have a fixation with being right about atlantis bar and how it works.
My advice is stop seeking the advice of pinays, especially ones who work in a gogo bars if you want to hear any truth, as I previously stated, when pinays lips are moving then they are 99,9% lying.
Not sure which foreign manager you spoke to or supposedly spoke to who confirmed that all girls are available for barfine but I would like to call bullshit, here's why.
More than 70% of all bars in angeles have been raided in the last few years, when bars are raided it causes untold problems and cost vast amounts of money for bar owners to make the problem go away, many bars never reopened after raids, many owners sold out after raids, I think you will find that even atlantis bar was raided last year and many girls, managment taken away.
Prostitution is 100% illegal all over the phills, any bars caught selling pussy face serious problems, foreign owners, managers face the prospect of minimum 20 years in jail and a 2 million peso fine if caught employing girls who accept barfine, some managers / owners are still in jail awaiting their day in court after their bars being raided and them arrested.
most raids were conducted after a foreigner working for the raiding teams directly asked about barfines then proceeded to pay for a barfine with marked money,
Do you really want this board to beleive that a foreign manager of a multi million pisos buisness point blank told mr greenbud that he sells pussy for a living and all his girls are good to go, sorry but I call total bullshit.
If in doubt greenbud please provide the name of said atlantis manager and I will speak to him directly and see if he has even spoken to anyone about available barfines which I know for a fact he would never do.
Thats not to say barfines are not available but they are just not spoken about by managment,greeter girls or anyone else at atlantis who is in authority especially to complete strangers.
Greenbud, seems you have a fixation with being rightI'm afraid that's one of my problems. But I do admit when I'm wrong / misinformed.
Not sure which foreign manager you spoke to or supposedly spoke to who confirmed that all girls are available for barfine but I would like to call bullshit,Dude! Are you able to read and comprehend? I wrote / and said to him, are the girls "able to go out". I never said barfine. And he also never said barfine.
If in doubt greenbud please provide the name of said atlantis managerHave you ever been there? He's the ONLY White guy working there. He seems to be in charge. He seems to be there everyday. He's been there (around the Nov-Jan period) for the past few years.
Why don't you talk to him to get correct information, rather than give incorrect speculation. And let me repeat, since you have trouble comprehending, I nor he ever said barfine.
My advice is stop seeking the advice of pinays, especially ones who work in a gogo bars if you want to hear any truth, as I previously stated, when pinays lips are moving then they are 99,9% lying.And what information, that I gave, is incorrect? LOL!
NapaSlapper
12-18-15, 09:15
I'm afraid that's one of my problems. But I do admit when I'm wrong / misinformed.
Dude! Are you able to read and comprehend? I wrote / and said to him, are the girls "able to go out". I never said barfine. And he also never said barfine.
Have you ever been there? He's the ONLY White guy working there. He seems to be in charge. He seems to be there everyday. He's been there (around the Nov-Jan period) for the past few years.
Why don't you talk to him to get correct information, rather than give incorrect speculation. And let me repeat, since you have trouble comprehending, I nor he ever said barfine.
And what information, that I gave, is incorrect? LOL!Greenbud,
As far as have I been to atlantis bar, yes from the first day it opened and thousands of times since.
the owners and the various managers over the years are known to me personally
I repeat again, no atlantis manager, owner, would state that girls were available for take out which ever words you claim were used.i have pointed out why in my previous post,
Sorry but I just don't buy what you are saying, but hey maybe someone will believe that although prostitution is 100% illegal that mangers are willing to discuss openly that their girls are basically prostitutes and are willing to leave with customers to a total stranger when they have been recently raided,
Can't be bothered to listen or reply any further, over and out from me.
NapaSlapper
12-18-15, 10:59
Would like to say a few words for anyone who is thinking of visiting angeles for the first time or after a long time away.
Things have changed, things are not straight forward.
Contrary to many board members claims asking owner, mummys. Waitresses if a girl on stage is available for take out is fruitless, most will be coy, wondering who you are, do you work for the police, raid teams etc, the standard answer will be to distance themselves and may even say point blank that the bar does not sell pussy, that all negotiations are between the girl and you, basically, ask the girl, so why ask anyone else.
Go into a bar, see a girl you like, call her over, if she is willing to sit down then buy her a drink, make the girl feel relaxed in your company, if you want to leave with her tell her so, she will inform you of how it all works, most bars do not accept up front payments for the girls like the pre bar raid days, they tell the girls to quote the full price to customers to include her cut and the bars cut usually to be paid to the girl directly back at your hotel thus nobody can claim the bar of any wrong doing.
Do not get upset if many bargirls, especially the cute ones will not leave with you, it has nothing to do with you personally, she will reject everyone,regardless of race,age etc, wanting to earn commision in other ways without leaving her bar, repeat, don't take it personally,she is only choosing to earn her money the easy way, move on.
Many board members claim its the punters fault for girls rejection, your fat, your old, you smell, your rude, while all this is true and punters should be respectable, clean etc I have seen young guys who were more attractive by far than the bargirl get shot down, as I say nothing personal, she just does not barfine with anyone.
its very true to say that some bargirls play the game well,although they have no intention of leaving with anyone they will tell the punter they will,of course i will leave with you,of course i will suck,fuck and agree to anything else you want,she will insist on having a few drinks in her bar first,to loosen her up and get in the mood to rock your world,after few drinks and when you say enough drinks lets leave together now she will excuse herself in order to go to the loo but will return soon only to say,sorry honey,i find blood in my panty when i go toilet,cannot go with you today,sorry honey.maybe another time.she does not have blood,she just got what she wanted,drinks commisions without having to fuck and now moves on to the next customer,again dont blame yourself,she does it to everyone,
the easiest way i find is to buy just the 1 drink for her,when she is done then ask to leave,that way at least if refused your only 1 drink down per girl,
Want an easy life of mongering then choose to go to manila, thailand, China, where prostitutes know they are prostitutes and fuck for a living IMHO,
NapaSlapper,
What you said is absolutely true. I've been going to Angeles city twice a year since 2006 those where the golden times, nudity in every bar you go to, girls where competing for your attention, and all you had to do to barfine a girl was to say I will take that one and that's it she's dressed and ready to go.
Now days I see no point in going to Angeles, everything is expense, no nudity, blow job bars are empty and girls don't want to barfine. At the end of the day you end up spending 10,000 peso without even getting laid. It's really sad what happened to this town.
ForceSteeler
12-18-15, 13:08
Want an easy life of mongering then choose to go to manila, thailand, China, where prostitutes know they are prostitutes and fuck for a living IMHO,Yeah that is the only thing I hate about Angeles city sometimes, These Girls play games, and you still have to pay for the pussy. Isn't that the whole reason why we pay for pussy so I don't have to play games? If I wanted to play games I would just get me a normal chick that works at the mall. Why do I have to go through all this period / menstruation bullshit just for a quick nut.
But us mongers can put a end to all of this. We can just boycott and stop buying lady drinks. The Girls will have no choice as they will make little to no money and have no choice but to barfine.
You spent 10 k Pesos? Break it down, please. It's hard to feel sorry for you if you are one of the guys buying ten tequila shots at a time. Hard to understand how one wouldn't have a happy ending in that situation though. Maybe too much tekillya?
There are a lot of different opinions being bandied about. I agree and disagree with almost everyone.
NapaSlapper,
What you said is absolutely true. I've been going to Angeles city twice a year since 2006 those where the golden times, nudity in every bar you go to, girls where competing for your attention, and all you had to do to barfine a girl was to say I will take that one and that's it she's dressed and ready to go.
Now days I see no point in going to Angeles, everything is expense, no nudity, blow job bars are empty and girls don't want to barfine. At the end of the day you end up spending 10,000 peso without even getting laid. It's really sad what happened to this town.
Mr Enternational
12-18-15, 15:13
Yeah that is the only thing I hate about Angeles city sometimes, These Girls play games, and you still have to pay for the pussy. Isn't that the whole reason why we pay for pussy so I don't have to play games? If I wanted to play games I would just get me a normal chick that works at the mall.I don't get any games from my normal chick that works at the mall. As a matter of fact, she is the one saying that I am playing the games.
NapaSlapper
12-18-15, 17:17
NapaSlapper,
What you said is absolutely true. I've been going to Angeles city twice a year since 2006 those where the golden times, nudity in every bar you go to, girls where competing for your attention, and all you had to do to barfine a girl was to say I will take that one and that's it she's dressed and ready to go.
Now days I see no point in going to Angeles, everything is expense, no nudity, blow job bars are empty and girls don't want to barfine. At the end of the day you end up spending 10,000 peso without even getting laid. It's really sad what happened to this town.Oh such sweet memories LOL.
I was there earlier than 2006 and can tell of lock in party, s where half a dozen of us guys would close a bar down for the afternoon and have fun with 30-40 naked women right there in the bar, alas most who were not around back then would never believe such stories.
I truly believe that back then angeles was a serious contender to be probably the most fun for money destination in south east asia,
You spent 10 k Pesos? Break it down, please. It's hard to feel sorry for you if you are one of the guys buying ten tequila shots at a time. Hard to understand how one wouldn't have a happy ending in that situation though. Maybe too much tekillya?
There are a lot of different opinions being bandied about. I agree and disagree with almost everyone..Hotel 3500.
Food 1000.
Drinks 1000 (10 x100).
Lady drinks 2500 (10 x250).
Here you go, you just spend 8000 peso and you still haven't barfined or tipped or went to the mall, you just rented a room, had 10 drinks and couple of meals.
I rather go to high society, beer is 100 peso and the girls are between 1000-3000, no bullshit lady drinks or nothing, and you can text the girl to see you in the afternoon since she doesn't have to dance 9 hours a day.
I don't get any games from my normal chick that works at the mall. As a matter of fact, she is the one saying that I am playing the games.Angeles city girls has developed princess syndrome where they think they don't need to fuck even when barfined. Go see the other parts of the Philippines where the good girls put Angeles girls to shame in terms of looks and performance for the cost of couple of dates.
You know that you've been to Angeles way too often when the some of the manager and mamasans recognizes you.
In Atlantis and other bars, I still think that you can ask the mamsan / head waitress about the girls. But I am a nerdy engineer. I have to take into account other view points (even though it's dubious). My personal experiences doesn't apply to the normal first time tourist. The mamsans and waitresses talk openly about barfine and everything to me. But I am a "regular" and have a trustworthy face. But definitely, you should be able to ask safe questions such as: is that girl a cherry girl? Does that girl have a boyfriend? I still think you should be able to ask, does that girl go out? It would be nice if a newbie tries it, and reports on it. A real newbie, not some fake.
If a person actually went to a bar "thousands" of times, that is at LEAST 2 years worth. Then it seems that he / she / it should be able to talk to the right person and get some FACTUAL information. Yes, Atlantis was raided last year, but if the "thousand" time person actually spoke with the foreign manager (only 1 - LOL!), then he would have told you he got lucky, and he left just before the raid (that was the story he told me last year). He was not arrested.
My perception (my opinion) is that the "police raid" fear has abated (70% of the bar raided. Huh?) You can check the Margarita and Harry the Horse websites for all the raids in the past years. I believe all are listed (is this correct?) There doesn't seem to be any raids recently; not many / any? in the past year. The several bars I visited doesn't have the ten shots or the party animal bottle requirement to "barfine" the girls anymore.
(Most bars don't accept prepayment. Huh?) FACTS: In Club Asia, you pay the girl at the bar. Same as Atlantis (it was last year, should be the same right now). I am assuming all the DH bars work the same way. In Lolipop, the barfine comes on a bill; you pay the waitress. In Q bar you pay the waitress. In Bunker Calypso, you pay at the bar. Even at the height of the police raid fear, I never paid at the hotel (although I only went to the same several bars, and I did read something about it on the net; maybe some people are reading old, incorrect information). Are there currently any bars in which you pay the entire barfine to the girl at the hotel?
The better/correct way to tell this joke: How to you know that (put the group you want to disparage here) are lying? Their lips are moving. IMO, Filipinos are a good source of information about the Philippines. Of course, you have to be smart, and read between the lines, and understand the situation and intended audience.
As I said, I am a nerdy engineer. If any of the facts I wrote previously is incorrect or needs to be modified, go ahead and reply to it. I don't mind if you use facts. But if you use speculation or dribble, then that is a different story.
I don't think the sky is falling in Angeles. They're still building new bars, restaurants, and hotels.
The bandwidth I wasted was about a minor point, with his retarded speculation as "proof" which I had to reply / debunk. I'm such a geek.
The facts that we should all agree on are this:
Some girls in Angeles (especially the cute ones at the large mega-bars) will not go out with all customers, for varying reasons.
All/most customers should be able to barfine all/most of the girls at the medium and small bars. Although, IMO, the "pure" Koreans ones might be different.
And of course, things are not as good as it was previously (Just like the rest of SE Asia).
StudPlayer
12-18-15, 21:44
Let me see if I have this straight. You fools are letting a bunch of poor peasants tell you what you can and cannot do? Talk about giving away your power. I have two words for you: Thailand and Cambodia.
ForceSteeler
12-18-15, 22:28
I don't think the sky is falling in Angeles. They're still building new bars, restaurants, and hotels.
The bandwidth I wasted was about a minor point, with his retarded speculation as "proof" which I had to reply / debunk. I'm such a geek.
The facts that we should all agree on are this:
Some girls in Angeles (especially the cute ones at the large mega-bars) will not go out with all customers, for varying reasons.
All/most customers should be able to barfine all/most of the girls at the medium and small bars. Although, IMO, the "pure" Koreans ones might be different.
And of course, things are not as good as it was previously (Just like the rest of SE Asia).I don't see what's the big deal if a girl does not want to bar fine you. Angeles City is huge there are so many girls to choose from. If a girl tells you no, Its not the end of the world, Just look for another girl, There are thousands of girls to choose from on walking street. The way I see it I rather the girl act funny and talk that I'm on my period bullshit at the bar, then she act funny in the bedroom after I paid the 1500-3000 peso bar fine. To me I think the bar girls in Angeles city are way more laid back and are just happy with making ladyd rink money and seeing as few clients a possible so they won't feel so much like a ****. Other Mongering places like Thailand, DR, Brazil, Germany, etc. The Girls are comfortable and accepted who they are and could careless who the average square person thinks about them.
Wicked Roger
12-18-15, 23:43
Let me see if I have this straight. You fools are letting a bunch of poor peasants tell you what you can and cannot do? Talk about giving away your power. I have two words for you: Thailand and Cambodia.Must be something in the water in South America that seems to effect the posters there. First time in on the Phil board, not mush posted (around 10 per year) and Stud likes to give advice LOL.
Thanks for the great insights Stud. Am sure the ladies in Medellin are much softer.
NapaSlapper
12-19-15, 02:23
As some posters say, the sky is not falling in in angeles.
I agree,
The sky already fell in some years back imho.
Lets see what we have to look forward to when visiting the new style angeles.
My hotel room is like for like at least 50% more expensive than nearby destinations, the food is the worst in asia and double the price of nearby destinations, the police are corrupt, freelancers carry a real risk of setting a punter up in all sorts of scams which will cost huge amounts to make dissapear.customs officers planting bullets in punters suitcases on arrival in the hope of a big pay day etc etc,
Angeles is shit hole with absolutely nothing to do but get drunk and sit in a bar all day.
Absolutely no nudity for the price of my drink, no body shots, no blow jobs in bar, no g strings, most girls wearing street clothes, if I wanted to see girls in street clothes with not even a bit of flesh on show ID go sit in a mall all day.
Girls who pretend to be prostitutes that have no intention of fucking with anyone especially if that girl is even remotely cute, many bars that have turned from places to meet and fuck pinays into las vegas style show bars, they name their girls daddies girls, cultural dancers, spotlight girls, model girls, show girls etc, no wonder these girls have got princess syndrome.
We have asians who, pour bags full of money over balconies at girls, throw balls, think nothing of inviting groups of girls to sit with them buying round after round of expensive / high commision drinks for the girls, most of these asians don't even try to leave with the girls, asian culture is to go to girly bars throw money around and show off their supposed wealth to their drinking buddies and a group of bargirls, their type of fun is mainly just had in the bar.
Mummy, foreign manager, bar owners who have lost total control over their girls and have to sit back and watch the girls pull their scams, bait and switch, every night and too shit scared to speak out in case the girls walk out.
Constant raids that went on for several years, mummys arrested, girls en mass arrested, owners. Managers arrested and still in jail, and most frightening actual customers detained and taken away in a couple of the raids.
Now lets get on to the big one.
The philippine prostitution laws have been ammended to state that all prostitutes have been human trafficked that means any person caught in the company of a prostitute could face a mandatory 20 years jail sentence and a 2 million pisos fine as well, as of now no punters have been charged with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) that I have heard of but whos to say it has not happened and the guys involved did not pay their way out of trouble, or whos to say me or anyone else might not be the first.
Please point me to where the sky has not fallen in LOL. or why punter should not just skip angeles altogether and head for places where nudity and straight forward,uncomplicated sex is easily available,where guys can choose any girls he likes and that girl will leave with her punter,no games played,
i say all this not to throw bad light on angeles but in the hope that angeles changes for the better,that guys just do not stick their head in the sand and claim oh well nothing can be done about it,or accept that they cannot barfine the cute ones or the girls of choice but hey the ugly fat ones are available so all is not lost lol
Chris Long
12-19-15, 03:03
Must be something in the water in South America that seems to effect the posters there. First time in on the Phil board, not mush posted (around 10 per year) and Stud likes to give advice LOL.
Thanks for the great insights Stud. Am sure the ladies in Medellin are much softer.It is 'true there is something different about all the Latin American destinations and here. It is the difference between day and night Latin America / South America / Medellin destinations and AC / Asian destinations. I have been to all of the destination in Latin America several times, especially Medellin. I have never ever in my life heard a Latin American working girl say she's on mens. Many guys don't speak Spanish and very few less than 10% of the girls will speak English. I've seen guys who can't speak Spanish simply walk up to the girl they want take her by the hand and walk her back to his room with out a single word being spoken between the two of them. In Latin American gogo / strip bars on more times than I can remember I have simply made eye contact with the girl I wanted smiled and with my eyes looked at her and then moved my eyes to the door and she's climbed down off the stage and came over to go with me. In a Latin American P4 P disco your felt up groped you ass is grabbed your crotch is grabbed the girls pull at you try to take your hand your greeted with ear to ear smiles. There is something exhilarating about knowing you can fuck any girl in the place. Which ever girl you chose is going to tell you yes and going to fuck you as long as you have the price of admission.
Any one used to the Latin American scene is in shock the first time they come to Angeles. I know I was, I was in disbelief and could not believe what I was hearing the first time a girl told me she was on mens. I was also in shock when I saw the amount of scowls dirty looks and ignoring you get from door girls, gogo girls and P4 P girls here in general.
Yes Latin American P4P and Angeles P4 P are different animals.
Chris
As some posters say, the sky is not falling in in angeles. ..................
most of these asians don't even try to leave with the girls, asian culture is to go to girly bars throw money around and show off their supposed wealth to their drinking buddies and a group of bargirls, their type of fun is mainly just had in the bar. ................................ "Showing off their supposed wealth" , is spot on.
Barfining is not their priority. If barfine, its to walk around different bars and show off their catch for the night. They do not necessarily take barfine back to the hotel room, and if they do it is for a very quick 'release'. Ideal for the girls, bad example for us, who want an all nighter.
An ROD post with a lot of home truths. Written by someone who understands the scene.
Chris Long
12-19-15, 05:04
Day Six:
Friday, was low key all morning, went to the gym on McCarther, Fitness Connection, the place has big muscled body builder types and old fat guys with big stomachs. What always surprises me is the number of the muscled body builder types who go out front to smoke cigarettes and then go back in to work out. After the gym I make my way back to my hotel, my route takes me down Santos Street where the girls from the short time bars are out, many smile and are flirtatious and ask you to come over but I am sweaty from the gym and want to take a shower. One is extremely cute and friendly so I tell her I will shower and come back for her. Sure enough by the time I shower and return she is gone, she was way too cute and sociable to be untaken that long. Meet up with Captain Munch later for another night of bar hoping. The first bar we hit is Champaign. Very nice line up in Champaign some real cute girls, who were friendly and flirtatious. I see one that I remember from the last time I was here named Analyn, she was working at Camelot then. She was friendly smiling and flirtatious. I call her down for one reason and one reason only. When she was at Camelot she would not go with me, in fact she would not even come over for a lady's drink with me. When I talk with her, however, it's obvious she does not remember me and I do not remind her. She's friendly and a very attractive girl. I pop the bar fine question and she's more than willing to go but says she only does short time. Normally this would give me pause for reconsideration but I want to revenge fuck this girl hard for shooting me down last time so I agree. Take Analyn back to the room where she showers first and then I shower. When I go into the bathroom after her it's very obvious from the aroma that Analyn took a [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) when she was in the bathroom. I take Analyn to the bed room and revenge fuck her merciless lee for shooting me down last time, after I feel I have given her a very hard pounding and gotten my revenge I allow myself to release and then make nice with Analyn.
Later that night I decide to go back out on Walking Street and do some more bar hoping. The place is alive with people door girls freelancers massage girls much excitement and vibe just like the old Angeles, many attractive girls walking around many attractive door girls. Stop into Tropics, Crystal Palace, Doll House, Sea Star, even walked down to Pony Tails. Tropics had a disappointing line up the girls were all in the 6 to 7 range in my opinion and it was too late at Pony Tails there were maybe five or six girls left when I went there. Crystal Palace and Doll House both had good line ups with some attractive girls. Spot one petite little princes on the stage at Crystal Palace so I call her down for a drink. Once she is sitting next to me she does not look as attractive, it appears that some of her back teeth are missing and she simply is not looking that appealing to me up close. More out of curiosity than anything I pop the bar fine question and she is willing to go, but I'm not finding her that attractive any more so I take a pass. Go over to Doll House where I find another very attractive line up. The girls here are all friendly and flirtatious many come over and sit next to me are joking and playing around with sexual jokes and pretend humping, buy a few ladies drinks many of the girls seem quite eager and are pushing for bar fine but I'm not really in the mood anymore, so after some more playfulness I decide to leave. Go over to Sea Star where I spot a tall thin light haired beauty she is somewhat reserved on the stage but I call her down any way, turns out to be a big mistake, she's 20 no kids but trying to talk to her is like trying to talk to a wall. I pop the bar fine question and sure enough the response is I have mens. I'm really disappointed at this reaction and experience with her, as I found her to be very attractive and was interested in bar fining her. Prior to this rejection I had, had a 100% success rate, whenever I really wanted a girl she was willing to go with me. This was an unwelcome reminder of the Angeles of the past with at least 50% rejection rate. Back out on walking street the place is still full of energy and vibe. Many of the door girls are flirtatious and attractive I flirt with a few and out of curiosity pop the bar fine question and many seemed willing to go only got the mens reaction from maybe a quarter of the ones I talked with. I run into the sweetest petite little massage girl on walking street, 19 years old short petite and perfect in every way, had the nicest little round 19 year old girl butt on her. Hands me her card and I ask her how much for a massage, she says 300 p I say in a somewhat lower voice how much for boom boom, she seemed embarrassed and looked around to see if anyone heard me and moves closer to me and in an even lower voice tells me. I say OK and take her over to Score bird for a short time room. In the room she is the perfect little doll a real dream come true. Back out on walking street its now 2 am but the place is still full of life with people and many attractive girls to be found, walk over to High Society but they have a 200 p cover charge to go in, at this point I'm curious more than anything and have no intentions of picking up another girl so decide there is no point in paying the cover to go in. Decide its probably time to get some sleep so head down walking street to my hotel when I run into the same hot bodied petite High Society girl I picked up a few days ago on her way to High Society, we embrace talk she tries to get me to take her again but I am to tired and tell her maybe tomorrow. Pass by some more massage girls and an attractive one gives me her card I ask how much for massage she tells me in an even lower voice I ask how much for boom boom and get the same reaction, she looks around to see if anyone heard me moves closer to me and in an even lower voice tells me. I tell her thanks take her card and tell her I will contact her tomorrow.
Thoughts at the end of the day:
The shoot down by the Sea Star girl and the mens reaction from a few of the door girls was an unsettling reminder of the painful past in Angeles City. Prior to tonight I was beginning to think Angeles had turned the corner and was becoming a true P4P destination where the girls all wanted to make money and the only thing that is required to get the girl of your dreams is the price of admission. Perhaps this was just a slight bump in the road and Angeles has turned the corner or perhaps I had just been lucky the first few days and this is the real Angeles where success is never guaranteed and rejection is a daily and large obstacle to be overcome.
Ya, I think I prefer Pattaya over Angeles. I'll be there soon.
Main reason is the nudity and the lesbian / dildo shows. Also, Pattaya has better food, better transport system, more non-mongering activities, the beach (even though it's poor, it has one), more bars / more selections, and more cuter girls.
Ah, the nudity. That is why I love Pattaya. I like to have a cold beer and look at naked eye candy. In Angeles, the girls at the main bars (and many others) mainly wear either normal or G string bikinis (LOL! I wonder if some of the posters have ever been to Angeles).
Hotel prices seem to be similar (Example: prices and room amenities for Royal Amsterdam and White House Condotel are similar). If you want cheaper hotel prices, go to Cambodia or Vietnam.
Main reason I will return to Angeles is that it's a change of pace. I get bored if I stay at the same place.
Areas where Angeles is better:
1) Prices for go-go girls are cheaper.
2) Prices for the beers are cheaper at the go-go bars.
3) Girls at Angeles speak English.
4) IMO, easier to get PSE 3-somes at the go-go bars. Both places still takes effort. I don't like Devil's Den.
5) You can play Texas hold-them at Angeles. There's no poker in Pattaya.
Let me see if I have this straight. You fools are letting a bunch of poor peasants tell you what you can and cannot do?Yes.
Somewhat true in other countries also (such as Cambodia and Thailand).
ForceSteeler
12-19-15, 08:32
Girls who pretend to be prostitutes that have no intention of fucking with anyone especially if that girl is even remotely cute, many bars that have turned from places to meet and fuck pinays into las vegas style show bars, they name their girls daddies girls, cultural dancers, spotlight girls, model girls, show girls etc, no wonder these girls have got princess syndrome.I just talk to some of my expats I met on my last trip that live near Angeles city and he told me that business is slow right now. Not to many visitors are coming to Angeles City like that since the world economy is in a slow down right now So don't worry guys, if you are American this is the perfect time to travel as the US Dollar is strong. Visitors are drying up so these girls will have no choice but too do more bar fines.
It's a good thing I didn't know the sky had already fallen. Just reviewing my notes, 11 different girls in 16 days! Would have been 14 girls if 3 weren't on their menstration.
No scams.
Pipe Layer99
12-19-15, 09:13
Yeah that is the only thing I hate about Angeles city sometimes, These Girls play games, and you still have to pay for the pussy. Isn't that the whole reason why we pay for pussy so I don't have to play games? If I wanted to play games I would just get me a normal chick that works at the mall. Why do I have to go through all this period / menstruation bullshit just for a quick nut.
But us mongers can put a end to all of this. We can just boycott and stop buying lady drinks. The Girls will have no choice as they will make little to no money and have no choice but to barfine.I learned my lesson on my first trip to AC 3 years ago. I think it was just my first night or second night there. Me and 2 other guys went to a bar near the end of walking st (right at the very end on the right side). Two guys in the group were already hooked up with girls sitting with them. I was ready to get busy so I called a girl over. She was pretty, bubbly, and sitting on my lap. I figured I would take her. I told her my buddies here are already with girls and I want to take you. She didn't say anything about not being able to perform and just continued to hug me and smile, so I figured we were good to go. At that time, I had a beer in my hand and decided to order her one too before we go. I then said something like after the beer, lets go to my hotel. NOW she says she was on her period. I said what, you are on your period? Why didn't you tell me that 2 minutes ago and why did you let me order you a beer? I asked her to get off my lap. I didn't want a potential accident to end up on my pants. I said look if you are on your period then I don't need you tonight and I told her she could go. I was pissed because all the lights were green and she should have told me. The beer arrived right before she walked. I grabbed it and said thanks, how much. Then I told my buddies lets go next door and I enjoyed the beer as we walked to High Society.
From that moment on, if I was even considering taking a girl, I always asked if she can barfine first, before ordering a drink. Heck I was only going be there for 7 days and I was looking to bang one girl a day and not in the mood for time-wasters. Don't need to deal with the girls who only want drinks or are on their period. By asking first, I saved a lot of money on that trip. In many of the bars and gogos, if the girl starts asking for drinks right of the bat and you are thinking of taking her, you better ask her if she can barfine tonight. If she avoids your question and continues to ask for a drink, that's your signal to send her away. That's one of the things I hate about AC. Fortunately I learned right away.
The beer arrived right before she walked. I grabbed it and said thanks, how much. Then I told my buddies lets go next door and I enjoyed the beerI like your style. More customers should stand up for their rights.
But usually, I'm a passive putz. I would have left and gotten pissed off.
I normally try not to make a scene, because if I come back to that bar, I don't want any girl to give me the evil eye. I prefer the "stupid moron" look rather than the "evil eye" look. LOL!
NapaSlapper
12-19-15, 10:12
It's a good thing I didn't know the sky had already fallen. Just reviewing my notes, 11 different girls in 16 days! Would have been 14 girls if 3 weren't on their menstration.
No scams.Thanks for your input and views dg8787.
I think you will find that most guys on this forum including me are not disputing the fact that there is certain types of girls that are good to go with no scams.
What we are saying though is that anything remotely attractive, slim, younger, no baby etc are mostly not good to go with any one, they have many other choices in life, many other ways to earn pisos in the bar if their looks, body allow them to without fucking anyone.
Here's an example, I find it almost impossible to even find the type of girls I am attracted to in angeles gogo bars, when I do spot those few girls unfortunately everyone else want to buy them many drinks,throw money at them and treat them like a princess in the bar, once she has got away with this a few times it becomes normal to her to earn money without the need to fuck for money,
One friend I often bar hop with has no problems finding a girl to not only leave with him every night but to stay long time too, we have totally different taste in women, for him as long as a girl has a pulse she is miss world, I on the other hand would not fuck his girls for free.
As we keep saying, depends on the type of girls a punter likes as to how easy getting laid in angeles is going to be IMHO.
John Traveller
12-19-15, 16:30
Just finished another visit in AC. Some bars I liked on Fields this time: Bunny Ranch, Shooters, Lollipop, After Dark. On Perimeter: Night Moves, Magic City, Lost In Asa.
There are some complaints on this board on AC about poor line-ups, runners, rejections. While I do recognise some of this I will still recommend a visit here. Just don't go out on Sundays, half the girls have that day off (often the most attractive ones). Also you should avoid the Christmas period. The last good day was December 12th. It doesn't improve again until mid-January or so. They take long vacations in this country! This means fewers girls in the bars. And more beggars on the street, everywhere in the PI they now sing Christmas carols with an outstreched hand.
AC bars has never been point-and-pick style. Better to go to Manila or Thailand for that. But this city has some interesting pecularities. I too liked the old AC better, but that's some years ago now, already in 2013 the situation was like now, no changes since then.
Thanks for your input and views dg8787.
I think you will find that most guys on this forum including me are not disputing the fact that there is certain types of girls that are good to go with no scams.
What we are saying though is that anything remotely attractive, slim, younger, no baby etc are mostly not good to go with any one, they have many other choices in life, many other ways to earn pisos in the bar if their looks, body allow them to without fucking anyone.
Here's an example, I find it almost impossible to even find the type of girls I am attracted to in angeles gogo bars, when I do spot those few girls unfortunately everyone else want to buy them many drinks,throw money at them and treat them like a princess in the bar, once she has got away with this a few times it becomes normal to her to earn money without the need to fuck for money,
One friend I often bar hop with has no problems finding a girl to not only leave with him every night but to stay long time too, we have totally different taste in women, for him as long as a girl has a pulse she is miss world, I on the other hand would not fuck his girls for free.
As we keep saying, depends on the type of girls a punter likes as to how easy getting laid in angeles is going to be IMHO.Let me assure you that most of the girls I saw were 8+. A few were 7. 5. 2 on menstration were 8. 5. 2 of the 8. 5 worked in bars but do not BF unless they know you after a while. One of these girls met me in Manila on the evening of my flight home. She had been in Manila on her day off and came to my hotel around 9:30 pm, stayed all night with me and then took the bus back to AC in the morning. I gave her 4. 5 k which included transportation. During the typhoon her taxi from QC to my Pasay hotel costed P750 and 3 hours of driving. I wanted to leave on a memorable night, which I certainly did. SOP for my last night is to repeat with a good performer.
In 2 different cities I visited, I looked up former AC bg's who didn't last more than one week in AC. Each one in different city brought a new 19 yo civie to me. Both 19 yo were like 8. 5+. Spent a night with each one and put 3 k in each one's purse without them asking.
Yes, the sky has fallen, in my earlier days,
A cup of coffee was 10 cents.
Loaf of bread was 5 for $1. 00.
Gasoline was 23 cents a gallon.
Cizgarettes was 25 cents a pack.
Hot meal in a diner was $1. 10.
I made minimum wage of 90 cents an hour.
20 some years ago I had the most beautiful Vietnamese and Korean MP girls in California for a very reasonable rate. Then Black Thursday came. Over night it was all over.
10 years ago I had the most beautiful Korean MP girls in Texas for a very reasonable rate. Then the Feds raided places and it was all over with.
Doesn't matter what it used to be. What matters is what you make of it today. AC girls are beautiful and much more loving. For better or worse they do not have the finishing touches like manicures, lips and eye brow waxing, shaving and etc. But of course you can give them a full make over and build your own beauty.
Problem is most punters think they can come into the bar and throw some pesos down on the table and say come fuck me now. Those days are gone like my 5 loaves of bread for a $1. 00.
Pipe Layer99
12-19-15, 17:42
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AC bars has never been point-and-pick style. Better to go to Manila or Thailand for that. But this city has some interesting pecularities. I too liked the old AC better, but that's some years ago now, already in 2013 the situation was like now, no changes since then.Bullshit (and no offense to you JT). I know guys who were working at Clark Air Base back in 1987-1991 and it was point and shoot. I have seen pictures and heard many stories to go along with it. Photos of girls twisting off beer caps with their pussies and others dropping a whole roll of quarters out of their snatch. Those guys were living it up and there were more girls than you can shake a stick at. Heck, they could go out any night, drive 15 minutes down the street and get laid for next to nothing. I don't know how much it cost back then. But think about this, 2 years ago I grabbed a few girls from high society for 1000 pesos ($22 USD). So 25 years ago, they were probably only paying 300 to 500 pesos or 5 - 10 USD. That's nothing. And I bet there was none of that by me a drink shit without going for session either.
...Here's an example, I find it almost impossible to even find the type of girls I am attracted to in angeles gogo bars, when I do spot those few girls unfortunately everyone else want to buy them many drinks,throw money at them and treat them like a princess in the bar, once she has got away with this a few times it becomes normal to her to earn money without the need to fuck for money.How true! I noticed the same thing elsewhere as well. Everyone likes those eye candy babes, and they prefer certain Asian customers. Indeed, it's becoming tougher and tougher to get one of those girls to go with you, unless you get lucky.
Yes, there are girls who won't go out.
Yes, some girls will tell you they are surfing the crimson wave and maybe they are.
No point getting upset or guessing if she is telling the truth, your beer was not expensive, move on.
Walk into any bar and you will see the girls outnumber the punters massively.
My problem, is not getting rejected (which I don't mind), but taking girls home who were knowingly on their mens.
Just not fond of blood on the sheets and sex in the shower is a tad less comfortable than the bed IMO.
ForceSteeler
12-19-15, 23:23
Bullshit (and no offense to you JT). I know guys who were working at Clark Air Base back in 1987-1991 and it was point and shoot. I have seen pictures and heard many stories to go along with it. Photos of girls twisting off beer caps with their pussies and others dropping a whole roll of quarters out of their snatch. Those guys were living it up and there were more girls than you can shake a stick at. Heck, they could go out any night, drive 15 minutes down the street and get laid for next to nothing. I don't know how much it cost back then. But think about this, 2 years ago I grabbed a few girls from high society for 1000 pesos ($22 USD). So 25 years ago, they were probably only paying 300 to 500 pesos or 5 - 10 USD. That's nothing. And I bet there was none of that by me a drink shit without going for session either.Well that was back in the 90's. It was all supply and demand. The Mongering Population was very small back then. So these girls did not know there true value. Fastfoward into 2016 with the internet now and more mongers willing to throw money at them, these girls don't feel they have to work as hard anymore. Remember the average bar fine is about anywhere from 1500-3000 and they only get half of that, they have to split it with the bar owners. So they only get about anywhere from 700-1500 pesos and I have to have sex with guys I barley know and just met 30 minutes ago. When I can find me a few whales a night that need attention by buying a lot of lady drinks, throwing money and ringing bells and I don't have to feel used or a smut.
Chris Long
12-20-15, 05:07
Day Seven.
Cloudy rainy dressing day. It's Saturday and Score Birds has their weekly pool party bikini contest, used to have them biweekly but now they have one every Saturday, 500 p to enter you get an all you can eat buffet and three drinks plus watch the contest. Not sure if it's because of the time of year the rainy weather or what but the contest is a shadow of its former self, maybe a quarter of the number of girls and guest that used to be there in the past. The vibe is even somewhat disappointing from the excitement that it used to be. I settle in and start up a conversation with the Aussie sitting next to me, he lives in Subic now but comes to Angeles every weekend. As I sit there I cast my eyes on the hottest little contested, Lhexi contestant number two from Crystal Palace. She comes by with the other girls and the Aussie sitting next to me knows her says he's bought her a drink before and talked with her but has never bar fined her. She stops and talks with him a bit but does not really notice or say anything to me. I'm completely in awe of this girl she is a perfect 10 in my eyes. A new feature in the contest is at one point the announcer will bring every girl out on stage individually and introduce them ask, them a stupid question like what is your favorite color and then ask the audience who would like to buy this girl a drink raise your hand. He brings the first contestant out ask her a stupid question then ask who would like to buy this girl a drink going once going twice going a third time. No one raises their hand for the first girl. Then he brings Lhexi out, she is contestant number two, ask her some stupid question she responds then he ask who would like to buy this girl a drink. I expect to see a sea of hand go up as this girl is without a doubt the hottest girl in the contest. No one raises their hands I want to but I am to shy and nervous to do so. I tell the Aussie this and he tells me to go ahead and do it you have nothing to lose. The announcer says going once going twice and I raise my hand and the announcer says sold to the man in the yellow Brazilian soccer shirt, me. I'm nervous as Lhexi comes over I really want her and I am worried she may not bar fine with me. As she comes over I stand up and introduce myself I am noticeably shaking and nervous. I am in complete awe of this girl and have this I'm not worthy I'm not worthy feeling. We sit down make some small talk I order her a ladies drink. She's 18 no babies from Mindanao has been working a total of three months at Crystal Palace Started in June of this year worked for a couple months but then took a few months off and came back in November. She's sociable cuddly and easy to talk to. Inside I'm still nervous and thinking to myself don't say the wrong thing don't do anything stupid. We make small talk she tells me about herself I tell her about myself, then she ask where I am staying, this is usually a good sign and an indication in my opinion that she is open to going with me. I tell her and ask her if she would like to go with me. She says sure if you want, but says she can only do short time tonight because she is moving to another apartment in the morning and says if I want I can come back and get her on Sunday and she can do long time then. But I am too much in awe of this girl and don't want to lose this opportunity so I tell her its OK short time. How long can you stay, she says well see. I ask if we can go now but she is not sure if she can leave the contest and says we can go over to Crystal Palace after the contest and pay the bar fine then. She sits with me talking caressing leaves to do the contest comes back sits with me some more then leave to do the contest then comes back again until the contest is over. We walk over to Crystal Palace its pouring down rain, good thing I brought my umbrella. I pay the bar fine and we go over to my place, Lhexi is without a doubt the hottest foxiest girl in Angeles City on a scale of 1 to 10 she is an 11. Back in the room I am still very nervous and in awe of this girl I hesitantly begin to caress her and then kiss her, she's very passionate and the kissing becomes intensified and feverish, I slide my hands inside of her pants and begin to feel the warmth and moistness of her crevices, We begin to take each other's cloths off and fall into the bed where the sex is unbelievable good, passionate and feverish. I can't believe I am making love to this 18 year old supper model goddess, but I am. Afterwards she cuddles and caresses in my arms. I ask her if she would like to go bar hopping if she is hungry if she would like to eat, I tell her we can do whatever she wants to do. She wants to order food and have it delivered here so we eat in the room talk some more have sex again and then she falls asleep in my arms. As I have this 18 year old super model goddess that I was in total awe of sleeping in my arms like a little kitten I'm thinking to myself, I'm so glad I raised my hand today at the pool party.
Thoughts at the end of the day:
Lhexi ended up staying until the early morning and having sex with me again before she left. Did not do any bar hoping or check out the scene at all on Walking Street so don't know what the Saturday night was like. Spent the whole day with Lhexi.
The GFE in the Philippines and Angeles City in particular is the best in the world, no other monger location that I have been to has the quality of GFE that the Philippines and Angeles does. I am still not completely sold but after today's experience. I may spend the four months of freedom and the additional ten days in March I get each year in Angeles City in the coming year.
Chris
But think about this, 2 years ago I grabbed a few girls from high society for 1000 pesos ($22 USD). So 25 years ago, they were probably only paying 300 to 500 pesos or 5 - 10 USD. If memory serves me right the Angeles barfine in '92 was p500 - this was after the Yanks left. Having only known the Thai barfine system I thought p500 was a bit rich (barfine there was b200-300), but then I learnt it was all inclusive unlike Thailand's. The peso was pegged to the US dollar then at 25:1 - peg was dropped during the Asian economic crisis of '97 - '98 - so that's $20 and it was LT. I don't remember the price for Santos St blow row back then but it was less than a bar fine.
Pipe Layer99
12-21-15, 09:52
Day Seven. ...
As I have this 18 year old super model goddess that I was in total awe of sleeping in my arms ...
ChrisLucky #7.
When is the wedding? LOL.
Chris,
Very detailed and informative. Last time I was in Angeles I avoided the pool party, but your report convinces me to buy drinks for couple of hotties. I like the happy experience you have had and I hope to repeat some of that.
Thank you.
Streetlooker
12-22-15, 01:24
If you go to Atlantis at midnight, you will notice that most of the cute, popular girls are gone. If you are there earlier, you will notice that the cute, popular girls are leaving with mostly East Asians; not all, but the majority of the customers are East Asian. Yes, some, depending on their mood, will just do drinks for the night.
I don't normally barfine those cute, popular girls at Atlantis. Most don't like to perform BJ for a long time, won't do 3-somes, won't do CIM. And most will only do short time.
Note: Atlantis is a unique case. It's the largest mega-bar in AC. It is very popular with the Koreans. Girls are in tuned with what that brings. There is a lot of business and a lot of girls at that bar.
Other bars have decent lookers also, just not all congregated in one place. You have to look and explore to get the cute ones. I see a lot of White guys with cute girls in Angeles.I never go into Atlantis looking for a pick up. I take barhops there from time to time But I treat it like a strip joint here in the US. Go in without expectations of a take out.
Streetlooker
12-22-15, 02:30
Just finished another visit in AC. Some bars I liked on Fields this time: Bunny Ranch, Shooters, Lollipop, After Dark. On Perimeter: Night Moves, Magic City, Lost In Asa.
There are some complaints on this board on AC about poor line-ups, runners, rejections. While I do recognise some of this I will still recommend a visit here. Just don't go out on Sundays, half the girls have that day off (often the most attractive ones). Also you should avoid the Christmas period. The last good day was December 12th. It doesn't improve again until mid-January or so. They take long vacations in this country! This means fewers girls in the bars. And more beggars on the street, everywhere in the PI they now sing Christmas carols with an outstreched hand.
AC bars has never been point-and-pick style. Better to go to Manila or Thailand for that. But this city has some interesting pecularities. I too liked the old AC better, but that's some years ago now, already in 2013 the situation was like now, no changes since then.I would not say AC has never been a point and pick. Back in 1988 my first time in AC I walked into a bar called Maverick City. Grabbed a girl from the stage plopped down the BF and left the bar in about 30 seconds. 10 minutes later I was balls deep in her at my hotel.
Hi guys,
I am going to AC middle of January and will be there approx 2 weeks (Then going to Thailand).
Do you guys know how it works if I meet a girl in a bar and would like to stay several days with her.
Do I have to pay BF to the bar for the days I spend with the girl and she is not working, or can I just pay it to the girl?
What do you guys think is a respectful tip to the girl?
Well that was back in the 90's. It was all supply and demand. The Mongering Population was very small back then. So these girls did not know there true value. Fastfoward into 2016 with the internet now and more mongers willing to throw money at them, these girls don't feel they have to work as hard anymore. Remember the average bar fine is about anywhere from 1500-3000 and they only get half of that, they have to split it with the bar owners. So they only get about anywhere from 700-1500 pesos and I have to have sex with guys I barley know and just met 30 minutes ago. When I can find me a few whales a night that need attention by buying a lot of lady drinks, throwing money and ringing bells and I don't have to feel used or a smut.You hit it right on the head. They didn't know their true value back then. We live in inflationary times now! I so wish I was able to visit back in the 80's and 90's Ended up going 20-25 years too late in 2011 with a buddy of mine. Had a complete blast! First night, I got it in with a cute pie with a thick body. Then she gave me some more in the morning. I had met up with 2 gals from FB and one in Subic was waiting for my call too. We ended up going to Cherry's, Mirror's in Clark Hotel, Brass Knob, Dirty Duck and a few others I can't remember. Even went to the Jolly Frog on Perimeter Road but it was a little dead there. Of course I ended the trip with a nice piece who worked at ABC Hotel. I think the lowest barfine was 1000 pesos and the highest was 1800. I didn't experience any rejection going on but that could have been because I was with my buddy who's a regular there in AC. But it also could have been because I wasn't afraid to buy a few drinks for the gals. Haha. I am going back in February and I hope these new attitudes does not ruin it.
Chocha Monger
12-22-15, 12:02
Just finished another visit in AC. Some bars I liked on Fields this time: Bunny Ranch, Shooters, Lollipop, After Dark. On Perimeter: Night Moves, Magic City, Lost In Asa.
There are some complaints on this board on AC about poor line-ups, runners, rejections. While I do recognise some of this I will still recommend a visit here. Just don't go out on Sundays, half the girls have that day off (often the most attractive ones). Also you should avoid the Christmas period. The last good day was December 12th. It doesn't improve again until mid-January or so. They take long vacations in this country! This means fewers girls in the bars. And more beggars on the street, everywhere in the PI they now sing Christmas carols with an outstreched hand.
AC bars has never been point-and-pick style. Better to go to Manila or Thailand for that. But this city has some interesting pecularities. I too liked the old AC better, but that's some years ago now, already in 2013 the situation was like now, no changes since then.Oh yes! The Singing Mendicants are out in force chasing foreigners down the streets as they serenade with outstretch palms. I have lost count of the number of times that I have been rudely interrupted during a meal at a restaurant by some mendicant trying to collect funds. They normally have the courtesy to waylay me entering or leaving the premises during the rest of the year but the Christmas season has emboldened them. Apparently, the mall and restaurant security guards are instructed or inclined to look the other way during this joyful period.
My girlfriend even had this harebrained to go out and help this down and out Aussie vagrant she saw on the street being tormented by the native kids. Her reasoning is that since he is a foreigner and I am a foreigner I am obligated to help him out. I tried to explain to her that the Aussie only has to walk into the embassy and he would be back in The Land O' Plenty as if by magic. But she wasn't having it. She just does not believe that Aussies have it that good even with the drastic currency downgrade.
Chris Long
12-22-15, 16:11
Hi guys,
I am going to AC middle of January and will be there approx 2 weeks (Then going to Thailand).
Do you guys know how it works if I meet a girl in a bar and would like to stay several days with her.
Do I have to pay BF to the bar for the days I spend with the girl and she is not working, or can I just pay it to the girl?
What do you guys think is a respectful tip to the girl?You pay one big bar fine to the bar for however many days you want to take the girl. Out. I am here now and doing that now, took a girl from Crystal Palace for ten days. Paid one large sum for all of the days up front to the bar.
Chris
My girlfriend even had this harebrained to go out and help this down and out Aussie vagrant she saw on the street being tormented by the native kids. Her reasoning is that since he is a foreigner and I am a foreigner I am obligated to help him out. I tried to explain to her that the Aussie only has to walk into the embassy and he would be back in The Land O' Plenty as if by magic. But she wasn't having it. She just does not believe that Aussies have it that good even with the drastic currency downgrade.I was in Manila 10 days ago and I realized what I was going to face during the Christmas and I bailed out and returned to USA. Everyone was hitting me up for some kind of a present or donation. It was annoying.
Chris Long
12-22-15, 20:45
Day Eight.
Sunday, I wake up and all I can think about is Lhexi. Walking around Angeles on Sunday afternoon I see a few punters will some real arm candy in tow. Obviously these guys have bar fined long term with these girls and I think to myself I would really like to try the girlfriend thing and there is now one I would like to do that with more than Lhexi. So I avoid any daytime activities and wait until seven pm and go over to Crystal Palace I tell the waitress I am there to see Lhexi and she goes and gets her from the dressing room for me. She is a total vision when she comes out like a young Denise Richards from the movie Wild Things. She is happy to see me we embrace she warm cuddly kissing and I tell her I want to bar fine her again tonight. We sit we talk for nearly two hours before we decide to go. As we sit there I notice that all of the super hotties in Crystal Palace are getting picked by the punters sitting there. The laser gets shined on one hottie she comes down and sits with a guy then another hottie then another then another. By 9:30 all of the super hotties seem to be taken all ready. As for me I have a night of passion and romance and cuddling ahead of me with Lhexi.
Day Nine.
Monday, Decide to bar fine Lhexi for the entire week. We spend the day together walking talking eating boom boom. We goover to the bar at seven where I pay the bar fine for the week. Then back to more talking walking and boom boom with Lhexi. We do some bar hopping Monday night but the talent level is pretty weak in all the bars we stop in. It seems the best girls all have Monday night off.
Day Ten.
Another day with Lhexi. Wallking Talking Boom boom. Take her out to High Society and notice there are some real Dime Pieces to be had in High Society, making me wish I had not taken Lhexi for the entire week as there are some major Dime Pieces with a capital the to be found in High Society at night. We dance we drink, Lhexi gets pretty drunk. We walk back to the room she's very talkative. Her boyfriend knew she was working at Crystal Palace but he didn't mind because she give him money. Told me her first customer at Crystal Palace was Darrick the owner of the Doll House Group. Say he always boom booms the new girls the first time (it's good to be the king).
Thoughts So Far:
So far I am still impressed with Angeles. Have been out the past three nights on walking street with Lhexi and there seemed to be enough good talent available on walking street to make it worthwhile. Not sure what the rejection level would have been like as I have been with Lhexi the whole time and have not been trying to pick up other girls. It does appear that the girls at Crystal Palace and Doll House rarely reject any one.
NapaSlapper
12-23-15, 03:38
Chris, have been reading your daily trip reports with interest, just a couple of weeks back you were telling this board that the girls of angeles city were low grade and that more than 50% of girls refused barfines, yes I know you wrote this before your visit now,are you saying there has been a 100% turn around,
As you apreciate Christmas time is when most of the girls and especially the cuter girls head for their home towns to spend time with their familys yet you are claiming that angeles is full of extremely attractive girls, I was there just a couple of weeks ago and struggled to see any girls in crystal palace bar, dollhouse bar and most of the other bars that you mention that I would have chosen to take out.
Could it be that angeles has changed from black to white in just a few days maybe posting a photo of your bar girl Lexhi that you claim is an 11 out of 10 super model,(does not have to be naked fully clothed is fine) for me and the board to see what an angeles super model looks like as I in 15 years of constant trips to angeles have never seen a bar girl that one could even remotely call a super model, I do realise that your 11 might be my 2 and vise versa.
I have 3 friends in angeles right now who I keep in daily contact with, I know many bar owners there and all are telling me the bars are very quiet for both customers and especially numbers of girls, that bar girl quality is well down like always this time of year, most other angeles forums are reporting the same so I am confused, as I say a photo of Lexhi will help clear up any confusion.
Anyways, glad you are enjoying your latest trip.
Chris, have been reading your daily trip reports with interest, just a couple of weeks back you were telling this board that the girls of angeles city were low grade and that more than 50% of girls refused barfines, yes I know you wrote this before your visit now,are you saying there has been a 100% turn around,
As you apreciate Christmas time is when most of the girls and especially the cuter girls head for their home towns to spend time with their familys yet you are claiming that angeles is full of extremely attractive girls, I was there just a couple of weeks ago and struggled to see any girls in crystal palace bar, dollhouse bar and most of the other bars that you mention that I would have chosen to take out.
Could it be that angeles has changed from black to white in just a few days maybe posting a photo of your bar girl Lexhi that you claim is an 11 out of 10 super model,(does not have to be naked fully clothed is fine) for me and the board to see what an angeles super model looks like as I in 15 years of constant trips to angeles have never seen a bar girl that one could even remotely call a super model, I do realise that your 11 might be my 2 and vise versa.
I have 3 friends in angeles right now who I keep in daily contact with, I know many bar owners there and all are telling me the bars are very quiet for both customers and especially numbers of girls, that bar girl quality is well down like always this time of year, most other angeles forums are reporting the same so I am confused, as I say a photo of Lexhi will help clear up any confusion.
Anyways, glad you are enjoying your latest trip.It's extremely quiet this year. Last night bunny ranch had only 6 girls.
. . . I think to myself I would really like to try the girlfriend thing and there is now one I would like to do that with more than Lhexi.Interesting turn of events. You went from feeling despondent and thinking of canceling your Philippines visit to going all in. These AC-bargirl and foreign-visitor romances often work out very well for one of the parties involved. Since you'll be in AC for a while it'll be interesting to see where things stand 30-60 days from now.
So I avoid any daytime activities . . . Why? For the girlfriend thing?
As for me I have a night of passion and romance and cuddling ahead of me with Lhexi.Fantastic.
Monday, Decide to bar fine Lhexi for the entire week. Budding romance. If things proceed well ask whether her name is really Lhexi. It could be Mary Joy, Mary Grace, or even Mary Mary.
. . . making me wish I had not taken Lhexi for the entire week Uh-oh.
I'm glad you're finding AC more to your liking on this go. Look forward to reading your updates.
Chris Long
12-23-15, 06:46
Chris, have been reading your daily trip reports with interest, just a couple of weeks back you were telling this board that the girls of angeles city were low grade and that more than 50% of girls refused barfines, yes I know you wrote this before your visit now,are you saying there has been a 100% turn around,
As you apreciate Christmas time is when most of the girls and especially the cuter girls head for their home towns to spend time with their familys yet you are claiming that angeles is full of extremely attractive girls, I was there just a couple of weeks ago and struggled to see any girls in crystal palace bar, dollhouse bar and most of the other bars that you mention that I would have chosen to take out..It could be that many of the super hotties are gone and the numbers are down. But there is still enough hot ones to make being here worth while. When I was sitting in Crystal Palace waiting for Lhexi Sunday and Monday. We hung out there from abound 7 pm until a little after 9 pm and in that time I would say just about every hottie had the laser shined on her and was chosen by someone. I think most of the super hotties get taken fast. Was in High Society last night and there were some real Dime Pieces to be found there but by 1 am the crowd was thinning out and the number of Dime Pieces was dwindling, I think most guys hit on them early and take them out early.
Chris
NapaSlapper
12-23-15, 08:42
It is 'true there is something different about all the Latin American destinations and here. It is the difference between day and night Latin America / South America / Medellin destinations and AC / Asian destinations. I have been to all of the destination in Latin America several times, especially Medellin. I have never ever in my life heard a Latin American working girl say she's on mens. Many guys don't speak Spanish and very few less than 10% of the girls will speak English. I've seen guys who can't speak Spanish simply walk up to the girl they want take her by the hand and walk her back to his room with out a single word being spoken between the two of them. In Latin American gogo / strip bars on more times than I can remember I have simply made eye contact with the girl I wanted smiled and with my eyes looked at her and then moved my eyes to the door and she's climbed down off the stage and came over to go with me. In a Latin American P4 P disco your felt up groped you ass is grabbed your crotch is grabbed the girls pull at you try to take your hand your greeted with ear to ear smiles. There is something exhilarating about knowing you can fuck any girl in the place. Which ever girl you chose is going to tell you yes and going to fuck you as long as you have the price of admission.
Any one used to the Latin American scene is in shock the first time they come to Angeles. I know I was, I was in disbelief and could not believe what I was hearing the first time a girl told me she was on mens. I was also in shock when I saw the amount of scowls dirty looks and ignoring you get from door girls, gogo girls and P4 P girls here in general.
Yes Latin American P4P and Angeles P4 P are different animals.
ChrisChris long, couple of days ago you wrote the above flowing report pointing out that latin / south american destinations were far superior to angeles city.
a while back you wrote the complete opposite, you wrote this-.
Angels city is without a doubt the meca of mongering. It surpasses any place in latin america. The women can be truly beautiful.
chris with all due respect,Not sure what to make of some of your posts, maybe sticking to one or the other might stop me and other board members getting confused and able to make informed decisions on whether to visit or not to visit a certain destination.
Chris Long
12-23-15, 09:38
Chris long, couple of days ago you wrote the above flowing report pointing out that latin / south american destinations were far superior to angeles city.
a while back you wrote the complete opposite, you wrote this-.
Angels city is without a doubt the meca of mongering. It surpasses any place in latin america. The women can be truly beautiful.
chris with all due respect,Not sure what to make of some of your posts, maybe sticking to one or the other might stop other board members getting confused and able to make informed decisions on whether to visit or not to visit a certain destination.Angeles City is more out in the open very obvious, one giant party where services are always 100% natural no cover and once you get a girl the GFE is far superior to anything you will find any where else. In most Latin American destinations with the possible exceptions of Sosua or Boca in the DR. The P4P venues are more subdued for the most part more hidden and services are almost always covered at least until the girl gets to know you, sessions are often great but true long term GFE is harder to find in most Latin American destination. This didn't use to be true about Sosua but sadly today the long term GFE is harder and harder to find there. However, in Angeles you run the risk of being denied some times quite rudely by the girl who will turn you down flat. In every Latin American destination you are never denied and you are chased after for your money.
With out the at times extremely high levels of rejection. AC would surpass anywhere else in the world in my opinion (with the possible exception of Thailand). However the rejection levels can be seriously high in AC which makes it a roll of the dice as to if the trip will truly be the best experience ever to one of the worst experiences ever.
Chris
Pipe Layer99
12-23-15, 11:39
Hi guys,
I am going to AC middle of January and will be there approx 2 weeks (Then going to Thailand).
Do you guys know how it works if I meet a girl in a bar and would like to stay several days with her.
Do I have to pay BF to the bar for the days I spend with the girl and she is not working, or can I just pay it to the girl?
What do you guys think is a respectful tip to the girl?First take the girl overnight. Make sure you two hit it off well. The next day find out her work schedule. If she is working the next few days, and you want to keep her, then you will need to pay the barfine for those days. The barfine covers everything. It allows her to leave and go with you and sex of course. If you decide to tip her later, that is totally up to you (although it is not necessary since you have basically already paid. But it's a nice gesture to show your appreciation if she shows you great time).
If she has a scheduled day off, no need to pay the bar for that day. She can just stay with you. That's why you have to find out her schedule first.
One more thing, find out when she is due to have her period. Don't want or need a girl with you that you can totally enjoy.
Have fun!
Hi guys,
I am going to AC middle of January and will be there approx 2 weeks (Then going to Thailand).
Do you guys know how it works if I meet a girl in a bar and would like to stay several days with her.
Do I have to pay BF to the bar for the days I spend with the girl and she is not working, or can I just pay it to the girl?
What do you guys think is a respectful tip to the girl?Who says you need to pay bar fine for the days you want to take the girl?
Talk to the girl. Girls are free to go home whenever they want. She will tell the mamasan she is going home for a week and go with you. Of course the mamasan calls sometimes but that is not your problem. Girls are good liers.
NapaSlapper
12-23-15, 12:46
Who says you need to pay bar fine for the days you want to take the girl?
Talk to the girl. Girls are free to go home whenever they want. She will tell the mamasan she is going home for a week and go with you. Of course the mamasan calls sometimes but that is not your problem. Girls are good liers.Have to totally agree with you.
In the days when girls actually fucked for a living I took many angeles girls to subic, cebu. Boracay,palawan,sometimes for days on end, never paid the bar at all.
As you say very easy for girls to tell the bar they are returning home to see family or any other excuse.
I always make it worth the girls while by giving her a nice tip or buying her something nice with the money I save from not paying the bar,
I know that some will say yes but if caught the bar will fire her, well not true, most angeles bars are crying out to employ attractive dancers and sure would not want to lose one, just look at the boards outside most bars stating girls wanted desperately, top money paid, she will not be out of work for even an hour IMHO.
Have to totally agree with you.
In the days when girls actually fucked for a living I took many angeles girls to subic, cebu. Boracay,palawan,sometimes for days on end, never paid the bar at all.
As you say very easy for girls to tell the bar they are returning home to see family or any other excuse.
I always make it worth the girls while by giving her a nice tip or buying her something nice with the money I save from not paying the bar,
I know that some will say yes but if caught the bar will fire her, well not true, most angeles bars are crying out to employ attractive dancers and sure would not want to lose one, just look at the boards outside most bars stating girls wanted desperately, top money paid, she will not be out of work for even an hour IMHO.Hi NS, I don't like the bar fine either unless I have to have her right away. Better to get her digits and see her before or after work. I have seen girls get fired, though, for doing this (if someone sees them).
Yes, they very much appreciate a nice gift and or comparable tip. The pi nays are so easy to please and so loving. Well, most of them.
NapaSlapper
12-23-15, 13:33
Hi NS, I don't like the bar fine either unless I have to have her right away. Better to get her digits and see her before or after work. I have seen girls get fired, though, for doing this (if someone sees them).
Yes, they very much appreciate a nice gift and or comparable tip. The pi nays are so easy to please and so loving. Well, most of them. D cups, I think the secret is to take the girls out of angeles for the trip if you do not want for her or yourself to be seen.
I just cannot see the benifit of paying many days of barfines for the same girl up front to a bar.
The more sensible way if one wants to stay in angeles and see the same girl every day is to just arrange to pay the bar every day not all the money up front, too many things to go wrong.
Picture this, guy pays for 10-15 days barfine up front, girl is fine for first few days, fucks and sucks morning and night, after few days, sorry honey, not feel well, sorry honey have my period, no pussy honey for 7 days, sorry na honey.
As I say don't pay barfine and take girl somewhere else, if she starts to be a problem send her back to angeles on a cheap ferry / bus ticket and move on.
Pay many days barfine up front and wave good bye to our cash if troubles arise.
I have been a little surprised at all the negative vibes lately re Angeles City in general.
Glad to see someone having success and reporting it.
For myself, I am a strong AC beleiber.
Nowhere in the world have I found such easy access to young, sweet, thin f*ing machines.
NapaSlapper
12-23-15, 17:12
I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.
I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.
I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.
its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.
i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,
thoughts guys ???
I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.
I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.
I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.
its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.
i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,
thoughts guys ???What's not to understand? Most guys here would say you are already paying for GFE with your GF. You are paying for it one way or another.
I don't know if AC is actually #1 in this as I don't have other comparables.
I would further say most Johns paying for it aren't looking for GFE.
Other thoughts guys?
First a disclaimer: I am a long time ISG member, but had to delete my previous account due to a temporary change in personal circumstances. Thus this new account. With that said, would request to please refrain from the RTFF or other noob flames. If at all possible.
I have one (potentially not so simple) question and welcome your suggestions:
I will be in HKG in the middle of January for a week and in KL the following Monday for business. This gives me a weekend (Fri.-sun) to indulge.
The reason for posting this to the AC forum is because AC has been on my bucket list for a very long time. However, reading the posts over the past several months has gotten me very disillusioned. I'm now questioning whether I might be better served (pun intended) heading to Makati (done the EDSA, LA Cafe run before with much success), Pattaya, Macau, Bali, or Singapore instead. Or perhaps even stay in HK or head over to KL a few days early.
Most importantly, I don't want to waste half my weekend traveling and the other half with a hit or miss experience (fwiw, am Hispanic / American).
Welcome your thoughts!
i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,
thoughts guys ???
I don't know if AC is actually #1 in this as I don't have other comparables.
I would further say most Johns paying for it aren't looking for GFE.
Other thoughts guys?I should mention that I spend almost all my time with dating site girls, but use bargirls as a backup, when on the road, or entertaining out-of-town visitors. Dating site girls surpass everyone.
The remainder of my comment is about real working girls, bar girls, juicy girls, whatever you want to call them.
In Korea, Japan, Singabore and HK (non Filipino) it's strictly business. Granted, there are gems, but for the most part it's fuck and depart. I found one won't get anything close to a GFE; by GFE I mean friendly, affectionate, very pleasant to be with, fun loving, kissable, and little to no complaining.
Years ago I preferred Thailand to the Philippines because I found the Thai girls a bit more attractive, as GFE as Pinays, and since the English was usually poorer I was less likely to hear stories of woe and misfortune. Today I feel Thais are now less affectionate than Pinays; in all hospitality sectors it seems the Thais have become less welcoming to foreigners. I think they've grown weary of us.
Vietnamese are very good looking to my eye and decent GFE, though they're aggressive. Cambodians (Khmer) are less attractive than Thais, were so-so GFE, and also had an aversion to sucking dick. Poor English, too. Vietnamese in Cambodia are good looking but haughty, did suck dick, and low GFE.
I also do not take the same working girl for extended periods - no more than 2 days - because I'd get bored with them and I like variety. For those inclined to partner up with a girl for a while I think rapport counts for a lot. A so-so fuck with a great attitude and an eagerness to learn and please is a winner in my book. It takes a lot for me to overlook a shitty personality if I have to spend more than a few hours with a person. A great looking starfish does nothing for me.
I've seen two good friends absolutely lose their minds by becoming bewitched by individual AC bargirls. They were utterly obsessed, couldn't spend moments apart, and considered leaving their wives - these were men in their mid-30s. They even brought the girls back to Manila with them for their final day before flying out from NAIA. Puddles of tears from both the girl and the bloke on the terminal floor.
WestCoast1
12-23-15, 23:55
What's not to understand? Most guys here would say you are already paying for GFE with your GF. You are paying for it one way or another.This makes a great point. I think almost all of us would agree with this (paying for it one way or the other). However, while most all of us mongers would probably agree with this, there are quite a few non-mongers that either have never contemplated this, or mouth the words and then argue against it. I have had more than one married buddy (or divorced) who were stuck in terrible marriages (sexless), who ponied-up large dollars to keep their sexless wives happy (both domestic and foreign wives). Following their divorce, and then in the poor house, they don't see what has really happened: They have paid large dollars to not have sex (or have a wife who holds sex in exchange for things, ie living room furniture), while I am paying less to have a lot of sex. Jesus. They often times draw a sharp demarcation: "Your girl is a hooker Westy, even if you are not paying her directly. You buy her stuff. My woman was my wife. There's a difference". Really! I am not convinced!.
If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?
ForceSteeler
12-24-15, 00:43
In Korea, Japan, Singabore and HK (non Filipino) it's strictly business. Granted, there are gems, but for the most part it's fuck and depart. I found one won't get anything close to a GFE; by GFE I mean friendly, affectionate, very pleasant to be with, fun loving, kissable, and little to no complaining..South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore are what we call the (Asian Tigers), These are very rich countries with a High GDP and a High Standard of Living. You will not get GFE because most girls do not care to leave there home country. In The Philippines The Girls Are willing to offer more GFE because they hope that you will fall in love and hopefully want to marry them and Take them to America / Europe. In a Place like Japan for example its strictly business and its all about money because they don't care to leave Japan. Just like when you get escorts in the USA or Europe You will not get GFE.
Member #4387
12-24-15, 02:05
If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?Your question reaches outside the AC thread so even if I have no biz in AC I am able to answer it me thinks. I have a great GF back home provide we with all the sex I can handle. What she can not provide is the variety of pussy I need. I am a selfpromoted sexaddict and can not handle the same pussy over an extented period of time hence all the girls and change of pukie I am into. After my sprees in Makati or in other parts of the world, returning home to GF's pussy is like starting all over again (ie new pukie) which keeps me happy for a week or two. Its not like I would die without sex a day but its sure is a moodbraker. This year I habe never stayed home more than 3 weeks in a row so its been a good year and I even made it into phils 16 times (3 to 10 days stays).
NapaSlapper
12-24-15, 02:16
If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?Thanks Dg for your reply, I will explain a bit.
The need for paying for sex with a girl that is not my long term girlfriend is just me being selfish, wanting the feel and excitement of the chase and some strange pussy.its not that my girlfriend does not supply me with lots of pussy but just like eating your favourite meal every night for months on end something different is a welcome delight,
Very hard for me to get away with here in thailand without my girlfriend finding out hence on my many buisiness trips to the pi I indulge in my fantasies,its just pure selfish sex for me,nothing more,i know i am paying for that pros time,without the money she would not be there with me,in fact she probably would not even say hello to me if i was not paying her,
As far as guys pay for it one way or the other, it is certainly not true in my relationship, my girlfriend is a professional very well educated,beautiful thai girl with her own company who earns more money per month than myself and needs no funds from me, we both work, we both share living expenses, we both treat each other to meals. Days out and we both buy the other the occasional gifts, I spend the same as her per month roughly and vice versa.
I do fully accept that many good girls, wives expect the guy to always pay just like a prostitute does and many a guy has been taken to the cleaners in divorce from good and bad girls, it just has not happened to me, when I date I date girls who can take care of themselves, when I want some quick fun I pay a prostitute, as I say I do not confuse the two, my girlfriend is for the I love you and cuddling up at night because she means it, my prostitutes are for sex and pure fun, nothing more.
Not trying to be smart or say hey look at me, just trying to be honest, i hope no members take offence.
Sout Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore are what we call the (Asian Tigers), These are very rich countries with a High GDP and a High Standard of Living. You will not get GFE because most girls do not care to leave there home country.This may be true in their home country, but not the case elsewhere. I live in the US and I have met many Korean working girls. They give some of the best GFE and it is easy to connect with them. I have been doing this for 8+ years, and just early this year, I visited a working girl in Seoul. I spent 4 days of bliss with her. She was also my tour guide there, having done the same for her here in the US. Moreover, I have an open invitation to visit Busan from another working girl. I may take her on it once the weather is a bit warmer.
I will be in HKG in the middle of January for a week and in KL the following Monday for business. This gives me a weekend (Fri.-sun) to indulge.
The reason for posting this to the AC forum is because AC has been on my bucket list for a very long time. However, reading the posts over the past several months has gotten me very disillusioned. I'm now questioning whether I might be better served (pun intended) heading to Makati (done the EDSA, LA Cafe run before with much success), Pattaya, Macau, Bali, or Singapore instead. Or perhaps even stay in HK or head over to KL a few days early.
Most importantly, I don't want to waste half my weekend traveling and the other half with a hit or miss experience (fwiw, am Hispanic / American).
Welcome your thoughts!Firstly, I think your arrival time on Friday, which is not mentioned, ought to be considered. If it's the morning then your transportation to AC is less a hassle than a Fri evening rush hour. You might not be hitting bars until late night. Of course your departing flight from Manila ought to be considered. Traffic on Sunday isn't bad, but if you need to leave early Sunday morning to catch your flight that cuts into your fun time.
If it's late Friday arrival and early Sunday departure I'd certainly stick in Manila.
Next, how many girls do you want to hook up with? In Manila you have 24hr LA, but from sunrise to 11 am there are just a handful of girls. You have afternoon options in Burgos and LA starts to fill in the afternoon, especially on weekends. In AC you have a lot more choice for morning and afternoon, and if you quickly join DIA and limit your search to AC you open up another possibility.
Your best option is to fly into Clark rather than NAIA, especially if you can book an outbound flight late Sunday night or early Monday morning. If that's not in the cards then it comes down to hours. If you have 48 hours in AC, say from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, then it's worth the effort.
If you are getting GFE from GF what is the need to pay for sex with a tight pussy hottie?Variety. Hooking up with a new girl is more exciting. It's the charge of the unknown, the potential. I find it electrifying. Perhaps the GF isn't amenable to certain activities. I love lasagna, but no matter how delicious it is, and even when cooked in new ways, I don't want to eat it everyday. And lasagna won't let me fuck its ass. I love rugby, but rugby isn't going to lick my cum off my stomach and chest and roll it around in its mouth. You wouldn't dare even ask rugby to do that.
Mr Enternational
12-24-15, 12:24
And lasagna won't let me fuck its ass. I love rugby, but rugby isn't going to lick my cum off my stomach and chest and roll it around in its mouth. You wouldn't dare even ask rugby to do that.Actually that is how I fell in love with lasagna and rugby in the first place. Otherwise it would have been just like hot dogs and baseball to me and would never have become my favorites.
Red Dogger
12-24-15, 22:56
I should mention that I spend almost all my time with dating site girls, but use bargirls as a backup, when on the road, or entertaining out-of-town visitors. Dating site girls surpass everyone.Absolutely. They are the best.
But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.
Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.
Member #4393
12-25-15, 00:23
You pay one big bar fine to the bar for however many days you want to take the girl. Out. I am here now and doing that now, took a girl from Crystal Palace for ten days. Paid one large sum for all of the days up front to the bar.
ChrisAmazing. Last time I was there, 4 years ago, my buddy and I both barfined girls one night, had a pow wow the next morning and asked them to stay with us for the next three days. Both of them went back to the bar around noon, came back later and said they were ours for the time we wanted, no discussion of money. When we left for the airport we took care of them and that was it. It was awesome actually. Either things have changed drastically or your game is weak, or both.
ForceSteeler
12-25-15, 00:54
Absolutely. They are the best.
But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.
Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.Yeah dating sites are only good if you plan to stay in Angeles City for 1-2 Months or live there. If your there for a week or 2 its not worth it. Too much flakyness and its just a waste of time. I don't mind spending the 1500-2000 pesos bar fine. Save me a lot of time.
Member #4387
12-25-15, 01:59
Absolutely. They are the best.
But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.
Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.I highly disagree in your last two paragraphs. But again people can have different view but this is in my book very far from the truth. No trouble lining up 3,4 or 5 gurls in one day if I need to. Not now or from 10+ years experience using them. Todays fake FB works a bit the same and even better. No big cost involved if you don't want to.
But ofcourse i dont have experience with datingsitegirls from AC so if they are very different from datingsites elsewhere i rest my case but i highly doubt it..
Member #4387
12-25-15, 02:01
Yeah dating sites are only good if you plan to stay in Angeles City for 1-2 Months or live there. If your there for a week or 2 its not worth it. Too much flakyness and its just a waste of time. I don't mind spending the 1500-2000 pesos bar fine. Save me a lot of time.Datingsites can be used with great success for 3 to 10 days stays as well.
Firstly, I think your arrival time on Friday, which is not mentioned, ought to be considered. If it's the morning then your transportation to AC is less a hassle than a Fri evening rush hour. You might not be hitting bars until late night. Of course your departing flight from Manila ought to be considered. Traffic on Sunday isn't bad, but if you need to leave early Sunday morning to catch your flight that cuts into your fun time.
If it's late Friday arrival and early Sunday departure I'd certainly stick in Manila.
Next, how many girls do you want to hook up with? In Manila you have 24hr LA, but from sunrise to 11 am there are just a handful of girls. You have afternoon options in Burgos and LA starts to fill in the afternoon, especially on weekends. In AC you have a lot more choice for morning and afternoon, and if you quickly join DIA and limit your search to AC you open up another possibility.
Your best option is to fly into Clark rather than NAIA, especially if you can book an outbound flight late Sunday night or early Monday morning. If that's not in the cards then it comes down to hours. If you have 48 hours in AC, say from Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, then it's worth the effort.Thanks for your reply!
Unfortunately the earliest I can probably leave is afternoon on Friday. And I absolutely need to be in KL, before 8 am Monday. The flights options in and out of Clark (from Hong Kong) are limited at best. So would likely need to fly into Manila landing around 9 pm and then cab it to AC. Hopefully the traffic has wound down by then. I could take a nonstop from AC to KL Sunday evening.
I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.
I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.
But if you want to fuck as many different girls as possible in the shortest possible time at the least possible cost, forget about dating site girls.
Dating site girls will give you a girlfriend experience like no other. But the cost and time required to break in a new girl means that dating site girls are only economical if you spend quite a long time with each one.Before I get into the meat of my comment I want to make sure you understand that the majority of my previous comment covered meeting working girls at their place of work, such as a bar, and the GFE. It certainly wasn't "go to AC and use dating sites exclusively". If that was your take away then our wires got crossed.
Now, on to your comment. In my experience over several years I find the gist of your comment to be untrue, but not a lie. Just a different experience. Since my truth and your truth can be different the cost and ease of meeting dating site girls is debatable. Neither your point nor mine is inarguable.
At first I followed convention and assumed that I'd have to spend a while building the relationship, trust, and rapport, what I understand you to mean by "breaking in the girl". I used a "safe" profile on dating sites talking about meeting for coffee, etc. Conventional. Sure, plenty of women are amenable to that. I was drinking coffee here, there and everywhere. Good thing coffee is a stimulant because dashing to and fro was exhausting. But leaving my condo I was going to meet an "potential", i.e. I'd have to spend my time with her working to entice her to come back to my place. Conventional. Just like dating in the west. There had to be a better way.
What triggered my flip was taking my craiglist's advert, which worked quite well, and using it on dating sites. It was an experiment, and I didn't think it would prove successful. But it was a low-risk experiment; it it blew up in my face I could always go back to my let's-have-coffee-and-a-chat approach, couldn't I?
Two things happened. I received many fewer messages and replies from women. No surprises there. But a good thing happened, too. Of those who still contact me most read the profile, understand it is about sex, and are happy to participate. Yes, some didn't read the profile, so in everyone one of my replies I always verify they understand. "Yes, that's why I messaged you," sums up the girls' replies. In a nutshell I stopped wasting time with everybody and spend my time and effort with fewer women, but they were the women I want to meet. They're looking for sex too. A targeted approach.
Many are quite happy to come over to my condo and have sex on the first meeting. Some require more messages, so they are on-going projects. I don't think it takes a lot of dexterity to meet those who want to fuck immediately whilst at the same time "breaking in" those who need more pre-meeting conversation. I can juggle both. (Many of my comments in 2011 and 2012 cover this in depth.).
As for cost, both financial and physical, I spend much less money and effort having girls come to my place than me running around.
I would never advise one to disregard dating sites entirely, even in AC. From the comfort and convenience of your bed, beside the swimming pool, or even in the gym you can expand your options. It is a good way to fill in available free-to-fuck time, such as the morning and early afternoon.
I wouldn't consider myself an iconoclast, so if you think I'm attacking a cherished belief please be assured I am not. In AC, dating sites may be used in addition to and not in lieu of the bars.
(After posting this I see how long it is. Apologies to those who don't like to read.)
Streetlooker
12-25-15, 06:48
I have over the years heard many guys on many angeles based boards claim that angeles city is the number 1 destination for GFE.
I have often wondered how this works and why guys believe its only alive and well in angeles or why people feel they need to seek it out.
I have always been of the thought that paying a prostitute to say the correct things, cater to a punters ego. Loneliness, lack of self esteem with terms like honey your so handsome, honey your so young looking, honey your not fat, honey your cock is so big, honey nobody made me cum as much as you etc etc was just that, paying a prostitute by the hour to basically lie to ones self.
its all just a deceipt, a game payed for by hard cash, a game that can be repeated through out asia not only angeles IMHO, all it takes is hard cash.
i do not look for gfe or seek it out,give me a hottie with a tight pussy who knows how to use it and i am happy, gfe not needed,i get that from my real girlfriend,
thoughts guys ???I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.
ForceSteeler
12-25-15, 06:55
I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.Plus you have to understand that the girls in the Philippines speak English, so they can more bond with you, because at least you can have a conservation on a human level when your in the room.
I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy. Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.
NapaSlapper
12-25-15, 16:33
The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.Have to agree, any place where girls are shit poor would be a good place to get exactly what ever one is looking for.
NapaSlapper
12-25-15, 16:43
I think the GFE is much more then just fucking some tight pussy Its the time between that counts just has much and that's where the Philippines beats most other destinations IMO. IN Thailand I have noticed short time to be more hte norm then it use to be Girls want to do multiples a night. DR and CR same thing. Find guy go to room fuck get the money and leave which is fine if that's what guys want. But in the Philippines the guys want the between session time also. Hang out. Go eat. Go bar hop. Play pool or maybe take a side trip to the beach. I think the Philippines is the last good place for the GFE.Not so sure sl.
Was out today in bangkok and tonight in pattaya and must have seen hundreds if not thousands of tourists out holding hands with thai girls, in the restaurants eating, in the mall, having ice cream, in the cinema, funny, most guys had a very big grin on their faces too.
As I say, pay enough cash and most poor girls the world over are willing to play pretend girlfriend to the lonely.
As far as the guys saying english is spoken in the phills, I agree the level of english is probably the best of asia,but still not good,and what exactly is there to discuss with a teenage bar girl that grew up in the outback, living in a hut with no tv, no access to books, newspapers or a school.
Maybe some are willing to discuss with them how to best shit in a hole in the ground,how to get the funds to send to her parents to replace the dead buffalo or where the funds might come from to replace that leaking roof on the parents hut,
sorry guys I am not buying your arguments, more effort please LOL.
Thanks for your reply!
So would likely need to fly into Manila landing around 9 pm and then cab it to AC. Hopefully the traffic has wound down by then. I could take a nonstop from AC to KL Sunday evening.
I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.
I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.You're welcome.
After clearing immigration and customs, change money if needed, and transit to AC you're looking at midnight arrival - 9-10 pm traffic on a Friday night is often still heavy-ish, but it's no longer the rainy season so that's in your favour. Check in hotel, freshen up, and be at the bars by 1 am to start trawling. What remains? Let's say you get a so-so one and have your fun with her. You have Saturday afternoon to pick a decent short time, then get rid of her to hit the bars at 7-8 pm to find an exceptional one. If you find her try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart. If you don't a great one pick up a so-so one for a ST and then return again a few hours later to try your luck again. Try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart.
If you stay in Manila you can be in your hotel by 10 pm. Hit EDSA, Havana or Burgos by 11 pm. If you're really keen after you're done with her go to LA. Saturday afternoon visit Burgos for a ST pickup. Saturday night your choice of Burgos or EDSA for 7-8 pm; Havana isn't worth going to until after 10 pm. Sunday late morning / early afternoon check out of your hotel, go to LA for a last pick up to be done at a hot sheet hotel.
In AC's favour, you have thousands of girls there and they just spent a lot of money during Christmas. Chris Long's FR's are reporting "dimes", which I reckon means 10's. Against AC's favour, the top ones may have received a lot of Christmas money from sponsors and you are in peak tourist season. Of course this is the case for Thailand too.
If you attach a lot of significance to the bucket list then follow your ambition. If you are certain you can swing a less rushed AC trip in the near future then postpone.
Member #4698
12-25-15, 21:53
Thanks for your reply!
Unfortunately the earliest I can probably leave is afternoon on Friday. And I absolutely need to be in KL, before 8 am Monday. I would consider 2 girls / day a success. But for the right girl, would also be content with barfining her for the entire weekend.
I guess I'm a bit disillusioned with the last few months of posts here and am wondering if my time and $ would be better spent in wan chai, Manila or heading to KL directly or even Pattaya. But then I recall the bucket list and think. How bad could AC have gotten to pass it up for HK, or KL.First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.
Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC. AC is cheaper. That is its only advantage over Manila. Manila has better girls, better hotels, better restaurants.
Third: Cebu Pacific has a flight from HKG arriving in AC at 11:45 am Friday morning. If you can't make this flight or the early afternoon Manila flight then drop your AC plans for another time. It just won't be worth the trouble and limited time you will have.
Lastly: getting out of AC, Manila, Macau or HKG is no problem. Take a Sunday night non stop flight from any of these locations to KL.
The 'experience' of a lonely thing that just wants someone to be nice to him. Any place where the people are so impoverished they will do anything to survive is a good place where that 'experience' can be procured for cash.Good insight, and the' truth. Hope guys do not kid themselves its something else, LOL.
First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.
Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC..Thank you as well!
With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay) and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?
Unfortunately since a weekend is likely the most I'll ever be able to swing. Am beginning to lean towards doing the AC run.
Pretty good info to Mduga, who apparently hasn't twenty dollars for membership.
Its Christmas. Thought I'd help out Westie who usually has to remind folks about putting in, LOL.
You're welcome.
After clearing immigration and customs, change money if needed, and transit to AC you're looking at midnight arrival - 9-10 pm traffic on a Friday night is often still heavy-ish, but it's no longer the rainy season so that's in your favour. Check in hotel, freshen up, and be at the bars by 1 am to start trawling. What remains? Let's say you get a so-so one and have your fun with her. You have Saturday afternoon to pick a decent short time, then get rid of her to hit the bars at 7-8 pm to find an exceptional one. If you find her try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart. If you don't a great one pick up a so-so one for a ST and then return again a few hours later to try your luck again. Try to negotiate a LT until Sunday afternoon when you depart.
If you stay in Manila you can be in your hotel by 10 pm. Hit EDSA, Havana or Burgos by 11 pm. If you're really keen after you're done with her go to LA. Saturday afternoon visit Burgos for a ST pickup. Saturday night your choice of Burgos or EDSA for 7-8 pm; Havana isn't worth going to until after 10 pm. Sunday late morning / early afternoon check out of your hotel, go to LA for a last pick up to be done at a hot sheet hotel.
In AC's favour, you have thousands of girls there and they just spent a lot of money during Christmas. Chris Long's FR's are reporting "dimes", which I reckon means 10's. Against AC's favour, the top ones may have received a lot of Christmas money from sponsors and you are in peak tourist season. Of course this is the case for Thailand too.
If you attach a lot of significance to the bucket list then follow your ambition. If you are certain you can swing a less rushed AC trip in the near future then postpone.The Chris Long posts are very interesting indeed. Lhexi may be worth looking up.
With regards to AC accommodations, ABC appears to have served many well?
Separate question. It seems like there are a few different pool parties on Saturday. Is Scorebirds the recommended choice for that?
First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.
Second: Flying into Manila on a Friday night around 9 pm and then cabbing it to AC IS NOT A GOOD IDEA! THE TRAFFIC WILL DESTROY YOUR PLANS! It could take up to two hours just to get out of Metro Manila. On two different Friday night arrivals in Manila, it took me over an hour just to drive to Makati! But all is not lost. Philippine Airlines has flights arriving in Manila from HKG at 10 am, 1:30 pm, and 3:35 pm. These flights would give you the necessary time needed to enjoy AC for all its worth on Friday night. But if you can't book these flights, I would strongly recommend staying in Makati and having a great weekend in Manila. I actually prefer Manila over AC. AC is cheaper. That is its only advantage over Manila. Manila has better girls, better hotels, better restaurants.
Third: Cebu Pacific has a flight from HKG arriving in AC at 11:45 am Friday morning. If you can't make this flight or the early afternoon Manila flight then drop your AC plans for another time. It just won't be worth the trouble and limited time you will have.
Lastly: getting out of AC, Manila, Macau or HKG is no problem. Take a Sunday night non stop flight from any of these locations to KL.Thanks a lot for this! Exactly what I need for planning my next trips.
Wicked Roger
12-26-15, 01:08
Pretty good info to Mduga, who apparently hasn't twenty dollars for membership.
Its Christmas. Thought I'd help out Westie who usually has to remind folks about putting in, LOL.But he is a long time poster under a different handle but did not say what the old handle was and if so would know about the subscription.
And if he did a RTFF and was a long time poster he was see the flaws in his FR that I and others can surely see as well.
Thanks for PM,
Sxxxx
Soldierb11
12-26-15, 04:52
With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay) and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?.Arriving at 440 pm on a Friday you will hit an enormous amount of traffic. I'd be surprised if you check into your hotel much before 10 pm. But that still leaves you the rest of the night to get your party on. I would definitely leave way before 4 pm for your Sunday flight. The lines at the airport can be long as well.
I've stayed at the ABC and enjoyed it a lot particularly one of the suites with a Jacuzzi, fairly expensive but I think worth it.
Scoreboards is the best pool party IMO.
Red Dogger
12-26-15, 12:34
What triggered my flip was taking my craiglist's advert, which worked quite well, and using it on dating sites. It was an experiment, and I didn't think it would prove successful. But it was a low-risk experiment; it it blew up in my face I could always go back to my let's-have-coffee-and-a-chat approach, couldn't I?
Two things happened. I received many fewer messages and replies from women. No surprises there. But a good thing happened, too. Of those who still contact me most read the profile, understand it is about sex, and are happy to participateWhat was you craigslist advert?
First: Wanchai sucks in comparison to Manila or AC. Forget about Wanchai. The bar girls are very expensive and quality is not high. Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object. Macau has very high quality girls. The Hong Kong ferry runs every 30 minutes from multiple locations and takes less than 90 minutes. From Macau you can fly to KL or take a ferry directly to the Hong Kong International Airport.I like to tell you what is coming on Macau. Due to Sheldon Adelson "Sands" involvement in US Presidential elections, his Macau operations came under scrutiny and allowing Chinese organized crime syndicates running operations on his properties are under scrutiny. You may see most of the so called parlors may be closed very soon.
Member #4698
12-26-15, 14:48
I like to tell you what is coming on Macau. Due to Sheldon Adelson "Sands" involvement in US Presidential elections, his Macau operations came under scrutiny and allowing Chinese organized crime syndicates running operations on his properties are under scrutiny. You may see most of the so called parlors maybe closed very soon.All the more reason to go to Macau now while the good times last.
Chocha Monger
12-27-15, 03:05
Good insight, and the' truth. Hope guys do not kid themselves its something else, LOL.Yes. It would be a mistake to think the poverty stricken Filipinos are being genuinely nice to foreigners. There are more than a few down and out stranded foreigners in cities across the Philippines who found out Filipino niceness comes to an end when the foreigner goes to the ATM and gets his cash withdrawal denied due to insufficient funds. In fact, the Bureau of Immigration cannot even be bothered to round these poor souls up and hold them at Bicutan Detention Center pending deportation as there is no money in detaining overstayed foreigners who are now vagrants in the Philippines.
On Christmas Day, I stopped at a bakery on a street corner to buy some Filipino treats. As usual, they did not have change for my crisp 100 peso bill. I guess they do not get many high-rollers at these proletarian establishments. So, I dug into my pockets to scrounge up the grand sum of 9 pesos though it would be beneath the dignity of most high-rollers to be forced to count coins. All of a sudden, there are shouts of "Merry Christmas" and outstretched palms are jammed in my face from all directions inside the bakery. The female teenage beggars were aggressive and demanding to be given money before I even paid for my baked goods. The bakeshop attendant was quite amused by this and laughing. I glower at the mendicants, quickly count out 9 pesos, hand it to laughing hyena behind the counter and make my escape. A stream of verbal abuse follow me out the bakery and across the street. Have a Merry Christmas indeed or more like, fuck you Mr. Foreigner and give us your money because it is Christmas Day.
Filipino beggars believe they have a right to the foreigner's money. They do not ask. They demand! They prepare their insults in advance as they feel righteous in verbally abusing foreigners cheeky enough to refuse them money or, worse yet, give them a sum of money less than what the beggar feels is appropriate for an asshole foreigner. I find this attitude amusing in a country where the foreigner is always wrong and believed to have no rights whatsoever. To them a foreigner is nothing yet he is expected to give generously to local beggars when their fellow Filipinos do not even acknowledge their existence and give them nothing.
These are moments when reality pierces the thin veneer of fake Filipino niceness. Rather than being dismissed as occasional instances of nastiness they should be taken as gentle reminders not to get too lost in the fantasy created while poking that excellent Christmas beaver. It ends when you stop paying.
Chocha Monger
12-27-15, 03:08
Not so sure sl.
Was out today in bangkok and tonight in pattaya and must have seen hundreds if not thousands of tourists out holding hands with thai girls, in the restaurants eating, in the mall, having ice cream, in the cinema, funny, most guys had a very big grin on their faces too.
As I say, pay enough cash and most poor girls the world over are willing to play pretend girlfriend to the lonely.
As far as the guys saying english is spoken in the phills, I agree the level of english is probably the best of asia,but still not good,and what exactly is there to discuss with a teenage bar girl that grew up in the outback, living in a hut with no tv, no access to books, newspapers or a school.
Maybe some are willing to discuss with them how to best shit in a hole in the ground,how to get the funds to send to her parents to replace the dead buffalo or where the funds might come from to replace that leaking roof on the parents hut,
sorry guys I am not buying your arguments, more effort please LOL.Those discussions about how best to shit in a hole in the ground can sometimes prove to be entertaining. Some are wonderful storytellers and you may hear tales of how some family member was squatting over a dark hole late at night only to be: bitten on the balls by a venomous snake; stung in the asshole by venomous insects; or bitten on the ass by a rabid rodent. Take a close look at provincial Filipino's ass and you may be amazed by the number of scars and marks on it.
Not all of them shit in a hole in the ground. Some are from more creative households where the residence is built on stilts along the river. In these cases the hole is in the floor of the house. When they shit the projectile free falls for many feet making a spectacular splash in the river below.
All the more reason to go to Macau now while the good times last.Totally agree Natty, but we need to note from your previous post "Go to Macau if you want to have a real good time and money is no object.".
Actually, the main reason for the decline in Macao's fortunes is the Bun Emperor's continued '3 vices' crackdown (since 2013) aimed squarely at his political opponents and appointees who have benefited to the tune of billions of dollars from the Toad Emperor's corrupt practices. One recently 'detained' army official had family property and assets seized to the value of USD37 billion!
Corrupt officials are too scared to go to Macau and splurge millions of yuan, or try and launder money. Eventually, Macau will turn into a resort area full of wholesome family values and entertainment.
Ikksman.
P.S. The 3 vices are prostitution, gambling and drugs.
Amazing. ... 4 years ago, my buddy and I both barfined girls one night ... and asked them to stay with us for the next three days. Both of them went back to the bar around noon, came back later and said they were ours for the time we wanted, no discussion of money. When we left for the airport we took care of them and that was it. It was awesome actually ... Indeed amazing, but I guess these 'good old days' are irrevocably over now, no? Or had anybody got a similar experience with steady barfine in 2015? Just wondering!
Gentlemen, I wish all of you a very happy and successful new year!
Cheers!
Hesekiels.
ThatGuy865
12-27-15, 15:18
Indeed amazing, but I guess these 'good old days' are irrevocably over now, no? Or had anybody got a similar experience with steady barfine in 2015? Just wondering!
Gentlemen, I wish all of you a very happy and successful new year!
Cheers!
Hesekiels.The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.
Filipino beggars believe they have a right to the foreigner's money. They do not ask. They demand! They prepare their insults in advance as they feel righteous in verbally abusing foreigners cheeky enough to refuse them money or, worse yet, give them a sum of money less than what the beggar feels is appropriate for an asshole foreigner. I find this attitude amusing in a country where the foreigner is always wrong and believed to have no rights whatsoever. To them a foreigner is nothing yet he is expected to give generously to local beggars when their fellow Filipinos do not even acknowledge their existence and give them nothing.I experienced this to when I ventured online to try and snag some tail in advance of my trip. The girl constantly begged for money. She even got mad when I sent a picture of me holding a Chinese baozi. Really? Baozi? It is just dough with a little bit of meat inside. LOL! Once she realized there would be no money from me, she hurled some vicious racial insults at me. I ended up having to block her on a few different sites. We are the bad guys because we're foreigners! These are some crazy people, I tell you!
Yes. It would be a mistake to think the poverty stricken Filipinos are being genuinely nice to foreigners. There are more than a few down and out stranded foreigners in cities across the Philippines who found out Filipino niceness comes to an end when the foreigner goes to the ATM and gets his cash withdrawal denied due to insufficient funds. In fact, the Bureau of Immigration cannot even be bothered to round these poor souls up and hold them at Bicutan Detention Center pending deportation as there is no money in detaining overstayed foreigners who are now vagrants in the Philippines.
These are moments when reality pierces the thin veneer of fake Filipino niceness. Rather than being dismissed as occasional instances of nastiness they should be taken as gentle reminders not to get too lost in the fantasy created while poking that excellent Christmas beaver. It ends when you stop paying.I was in Manila two weeks ago and I was going to stay until 27th of Dec. However, I realized that everyone was expecting for some kind of a present or pay for the Christmas. I bailed out 2 weeks earlier. I made my decision to stay away from Philippines during the holidays seasons.
............................Not all of them shit in a hole in the ground. Some are from more creative households where the residence is built on stilts along the river. In these cases the hole is in the floor of the house. When they shit the projectile free falls for many feet making a spectacular splash in the river below.Yes, and I began staying in a native hut, another country, similar culture, time before, when young. Same. I got a bit uneasy when my cup of tea was made from the same water (hundreds of neighboring native huts with same convenient sewerage system), my clothes washed for me in same water, and everyone was expected to wash themselves in same water, dodging the passing turds. Didn't take long for me to move out, LOL.
And don't forget in Thailand (and maybe Phils too) no toilet paper, scraped off with right hand. Consequently wisened falangs shake Thais left hand with their left hand. Makes ya start thinking about the Cooks employed in the Restaurants, LOL. Enjoy your Christmas dinner?
I experienced this to when I ventured online to try and snag some tail in advance of my trip. The girl constantly begged for money. She even got mad when I sent a picture of me holding a Chinese baozi. Really? Baozi? It is just dough with a little bit of meat inside. LOL! Once she realized there would be no money from me, she hurled some vicious racial insults at me. I ended up having to block her on a few different sites. We are the bad guys because we're foreigners! These are some crazy people, I tell you!You tried to fish for free pussy and got denied. Doesn't matter if you are a foreigner, you would have or have been rejected in your home country.
I expect 2016 to be better than years before. I know the "good old days" boys won't agree. With vitamin V and 20 yo's available and a ready supply system in place I Have no need to waste my time comparing.
...............................These are some crazy people, I tell you!Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.
First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.
The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.Well said, its more than greenbacks. If you have got nothing more to offer than your dick and money, you might struggle nowadays.
Screaming Beaver
12-28-15, 01:31
Crime does not seem to pay in this town if you get caught. A few days ago an off duty police officer decided to steal a motorcycle parked at Jollibee next to SM Clark. The CDC staff was paying attention and pursued the thief as he tried to get away toward the mall. When the CDC and mall security guards cornered the off duty cop he decided to pull out his weapon. This resulted in 3 shots to the face and the return of the motorcycle to its rightful owner.
In addition, a drug dealer was shot twice in the back on Malabanis street last week in broad daylight by a passing gunman riding tandem on a motorbike. Just another day in beaver town.
Thought I would try this thread.
I was curious if anyone has had the massage service offered in-house at Central Park Tower hotel? And, is it strictly legit?
Thanks guys.
Dark Knight1
12-28-15, 02:11
Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.
First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.He said the girl requested money from him online. Only a fool would send money to someone they have never met. I will tell you though these fools are out there and Filipino women seem to attract them like Sirens in the tragic Greek myth.
NapaSlapper
12-28-15, 02:12
The thing is now the girls have knowledge and power. The power to say no and the knowledge the mamasan or BM can't make them due to the Raids and HT laws. If a girl makes a complaint to PNP, the bar will be raided. Also salaries for the Top tier Girls, Spotlight and Cultural dancers is 300 p a day. Add in 2 to 4 DLD a day at 50 p commission a drink. Thats another 100 to 200 p a day. That is above avg wage in the PI with salary & drinks alone. So only the ambitious girls BF regularly and the other girls only when and with whom they want. That is what makes AC a different type of location. Money alone is not guarantee of success, Personality can be important.Have to agree with you TG, but the rates you quote are old rates.
Cultural dancers in atlantis 500 p salary per day plus free accommodation,
Commission on dld at 300 p a pop is 100-150 p to the girl depending on what type of drink she ordered, fully expect all girls to go for the higher commission drinks all of the time LOL.
Don't forget all the other commisions on offer from ball throwing, balloon popping, shoulder massage, guys throwing handfuls of cash on stage,tips etc etc.
Even a semi cute girl can earn 1000 p per night salary with commission, the top girls double that, all without fucking anyone.
dont forget most of these girls are also online with various dating apps.sites selling empty promises to the lonely for monthly cash payments,
average wage in phills for an uneducated girls is 150p, college graduate 250p per day thats if she can find any work,
its just a simple fact that cute angeles bargirls have become princesses with high earning potential while doing very little fucking if any at all
With the most aggressive flight selection, I might be able to swing a 2:30 HKG departure / 4:40 pm NAIA arrival on Friday (Cathay)
Natty is absolutely right that traffic may destroy your plans.
You're arriving as rush hour has already started and will only get worse until 9-10 pm. (On occasion I've experienced horrific jams on the Osmena Highway at 1am.) Yes, you'll arrive in AC at a better time for picking up a girl, but your commute time from NAIA to AC will be longer, likely up to 4 hours - could be more - assuming nothing else goes awry. You're traveling approx. 100 km of which 35 km is in Pasay, Makati, and Quezon City. That's a mess.
... and a 8:45 pm departure from NAIA to KL on Sunday. Would leaving AC by 4 pm be sufficient to make the 8:45 pm flight from Manila?
Sunday traffic is the best of the week. Presuming you plan to check in 60-90 minutes before departure that allows for more than 3 hours to travel to NAIA which is plenty of time and even allows for a bit of safety margin. Make certain you know what terminal your flight is departing.
If your Sat night girl pick up doesn't pan out as hoped, an alternative is leave AC Sunday morning, arrive at LA at noon or 1 pm and find a girl, pick up a short-time room, and enjoy your time until you need to depart for NAIA. You could do the same at Burgos too.
I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".
The questions are. What can they do to him?
Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?
Thanks for any help on this.
Natty is absolutely right that traffic may destroy your plans.
but your commute time from NAIA ...traveling approx. 100 km of which 35 km is in Pasay, Makati, and Quezon City.Construction of the elevated highway getting to the airport: completion date been set? Any chance it will improve transit time.
NapaSlapper
12-28-15, 08:44
I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".
The questions are. What can they do to him?
Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?
Thanks for any help on this.First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.
By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.
the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,
If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.
Chocha Monger
12-28-15, 11:08
I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".
The questions are. What can they do to him?
Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?
Thanks for any help on this.What can be done to your friend legally? Nothing! He did not contract with the hospital or the doctor for any services. Also, in the Philippines hospitals and doctors just don't take a girl's word that a guy is the father of her baby just because she knows his name. Flip hospitals tend to want their money up front before providing service even for foreigners. It is odd that this girl would have been given care on her word alone that a foreigner fucked her.
Foreigners should keep this fact in mind. Hospitals in the Philippines do not allow unwed mothers of bastard children to list the name of the supposed father. The name of the father in these cases are automatically entered as unknown unless the alleged father appears in person and signs a sworn affidavit of paternity.
Your friend is being scammed for money. If he pays Doctor I-Know-People, he can expect a call from the funeral director next for burial expenses in an even greater amount. Once he is identified as an easy mark the florist will be calling him with a bill and the local lechonera will be demanding payment for all the pork, Red Horse and rice supplied for the wake.
Your friend should probably not return to the Philippines as he set himself nicely for this scam. Maybe he should consider this his free warning. The next one might cost him if he comes back for more. LOS might be safer if he can't quit the mongering itch.
RockyHardy21
12-28-15, 11:34
I will start this in the AC forum. A friend of mine was told he was the father by the expectant girl. Recently the girl had a miscarriage around the sixth month in a Philippine hospital. He hasn't had personal contact with her for the past 3 months. She apperently put his name down as the father. The doctor contacted him for payment of the hospital stay. There is no proof he is the father although he admits a strong possiblity. He won't pay until there is proof. The doctor is threatening action and states he knows "important people".
The questions are. What can they do to him?
Can BI place a hold on him or deny entry if he visits again? Can BI refuse his exit of Philippines on the unpaid bill?
Thanks for any help on this.1. how do they know his passport number.
2. how do they get his phone number. Even if they have, he can change he number.
3. a doctor or any high contact can not do anything. For being stooped at airport the matter should reach to immigration via court or any legal entity.
4. so nothing o worry.
On a good note if he think and want to take care of baby than he can send money.
GoodEnough
12-28-15, 11:48
First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.
By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.
the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,
If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.All that Napa said is distinctly plausible, but it largely begs the question asked by Dg as to whether the situation could cause a problem for his friend. The answer to that question would depend on whether the so-called Doctor really does know so, e "important people" and, if so, who they are. I'd advise the friend to find out the doctor's name, find out the hospital with which he is supposedly affiliated, and try to contact the doc at his office in the hospital. If it's a scam either the doctor whose name has been stolen won't know what the hell the guy is talking about or, more likely there is no such person. In short, before coming back here I would first assure myself that this is a scam.
GE.
Mr Enternational
12-28-15, 16:15
That is as ridiculous as it sounds. Pinoy aren't held liable for live babies, but a foreigner will be held liable for an unborn one? Think people. Like CM said the guy did not contract with the hospital for anything. Same as she went and said such and such gave me a cold, he needs to pay the bill. Well biotch we are not treating such and such, we are treating you.
As far as the doctor knowing people, even if he did do you think said people would go around flexing muscle over a lousy 8000 pesos? Just another reason not to give fly by nights your real name or take any pictures with them. And people have the nerve to call Filipinos stupid or uneducated. They may not be able to name all of Jupiter's moons, but they damn sure have enough street smarts to scam foreign marks to no end.
Thanks for all the good answers and replies. According to him, he did confirm her pregnancy with a blood test in the beginning. Whether it is his is another question.
To me, more than likely she is still pregnant and just scamming him. The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.
Personally I carry extra SIM cards to get rid of pesky texts and callers.
Thanks again and take your breakfast sirs!
That is as ridiculous as it sounds. Pinoy aren't held liable for live babies, but a foreigner will be held liable for an unborn one? Think people. Like CM said the guy did not contract with the hospital for anything. Same as she went and said such and such gave me a cold, he needs to pay the bill. Well biotch we are not treating such and such, we are treating you.
As far as the doctor knowing people, even if he did do you think said people would go around flexing muscle over a lousy 8000 pesos? Just another reason not to give fly by nights your real name or take any pictures with them. And people have the nerve to call Filipinos stupid or uneducated. They may not be able to name all of Jupiter's moons, but they damn sure have enough street smarts to scam foreign marks to no end.I think there are professional skilled scammers with scripts that hang out at the internet shops. It reminds me years ago right after the Haiti earthquake friends of mine would get the same scripted emergency medical requests. Relentlessly they would email the dire requests. It was after comparing the sentence structure, wording, spelling and grammar that you could easily conclude they were written by a few different writers.
They were very good at it, tugging away at the heart strings.
First things first, is your friend even sure the girl was pregnant to start with.
By the time lines you give the last time your friend saw this girl she was supposedly 3 months pregnant, I would be very suprised if the girl had any physical signs she was pregnant at 3 months, so nobody knows whether this girl was pregnant or even had an abortion, my gut feeling is she is just bullshitting trying to get a pay day.
the contacting doctor may not be a doctor at all,he could well be the girls pinoy husband,boyfriend etc in on the scam for a cut of cash,
If on the other hand the girl can get a dna sample from the dead baby, apply to a court for a court order to have your friend stopped, supply a dna sample and match it to your friend then he will be held liable for costs, can't see this happening somehow, as I say, most likely just a scam for money, have heard this same story many many times in the phills.I personally think this is what's going on.
Mr Enternational
12-28-15, 17:20
The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.Again the bill is not questionable. He did not receive any services nor did he sign any papers saying he was liable for any bills. You can not just walk into a place and assign a random person responsibility for your bill. And even if he did, immigration is not a credit / debt enforcement agency. They have bigger fish to fry. Half the world that travels now would not be able to if it was dependant upon whether they had paid an 8000 peso debt or not.
Also a country is not going to hold you hostage if you are not in jail for criminal charges. If they do then you pay a visit to your local embassy.
ManonsanBoy
12-28-15, 18:58
Again the bill is not questionable. He did not receive any services nor did he sign any papers saying he was liable for any bills. You can not just walk into a place and assign a random person responsibility for your bill. And even if he did, immigration is not a credit / debt enforcement agency. They have bigger fish to fry. Half the world that travels now would not be able to if it was dependant upon whether they had paid an 8000 peso debt or not.
Also a country is not going to hold you hostage if you are not in jail for criminal charges. If they do then you pay a visit to your local embassy.This is a scam.
Construction of the elevated highway getting to the airport: completion date been set? Any chance it will improve transit time.It was supposed to be done already, actually before APEC summit. There are two parts to the project and new projected completion is April, so likely September. It links terminals 1, 2 , 3 to the existing Skyway and to each other, so yes commute time within the short distance will decrease. For going to AC from terminal 3 it will matter little and from the other terminals it'll cut time 10-20 minutes.
The important one is Skyway project 3 that will link South Luzon Highway (aka SLEX, Osmena Highway) to North Luzon Highway - I've attached a map. Resorts World (not on map, across street from terminal 3) to Buendia can be as fast as 10 minutes using the Skyway presently. Once project 3 completes one can bypass EDSA and skip all that traffic in Pasay, Makati and QC. Est. completion date is Jan '18, so likely Jan '19.
BTW, the attached map says the transit time from Buendia to Balintawak is 15 minutes, but I don't think that's likely for a taxi without electronic toll payment system installed. There are to be several toll plazas along the route. Likely Uber cars and private hotel transport will have it installed.
Just bit the bullet and booked my flights to NAIA. Given the 6:50 pm arrival time, I am fully prepared for sitting in traffic for several hours. Hopefully I can get into AC before midnight and make the most of the evening!
Met a sweet and charming Filipino October. Among other things she told me she had a 18 months / 2 yrs old baby from a Northern European man, who had signed birth certificate as father, and has been sending P5000 per month baby maintenance since day one. Proudly showed me the photo of her chubby (well fed) daughter. That was already enough for me to decide not to bar fine the charming lady sitting next to me, LOL.
She wanted more than P5000 per month, he did not agree. She organised through a lawyer / solicitor / barrister (take your pick) that this same person be apprehended at Manila airport on arrival upcoming trip, and forced to attend court to discuss the matter. She had a copy of the papers. Well prepared. Possibly legal representative gets a cut of the increased payments, LOL. Poor lad, he didn't know he would be stopped on arrival at the Airport. Walking into an ambush. Was it you?
Your real name and nationality should be kept a secret. Admittedly, hard to do when the Hotel Front Desk insists on passport, to which they photocopy or record basic info. Does anyone have a way around that?
Pip Jaeger
12-28-15, 23:36
The big question is can he be deny entry or deny exit with a questionable bill outstanding? Looks like no without a court judgement.
Correct and unless the girl is politically connected or has the cash to pay for it she won't get a court to file charges; or "raps" as they're called. And BOI won't otherwise get involved.
The easiest way for your friend (really you?, LOL) to find out if there are any criminal / civil charges filed against him, or if he's been blacklisted, is to apply for a 59 day visa a few weeks before his next visit. The cost is minimal and whether or not he really needs it is irrelevant; it's only to find out his BOI status without drawing attention to himself by specifically asking about said charges.
Member #4387
12-29-15, 01:25
I personally think this is what's going on.You can tell your friend he has nothing to worry about from the official phils unless he is wanted from the Interpol or sth(but again then he cant travel nowhere). This is simply a scam attempt and nothing else. She most likely tries this out from all her bedders from the certain timespam and who knows, it wouldn't surprise me at all, if someone pays up. I would maybe change my location on my next visit though just so he doesn't run into her as that could be stingy. Next thing i would do for keepin peace of mind was to change my number if texts or calls are to many. Others than that, nothing to worry about.
Mr Enternational
12-29-15, 02:10
Your real name and nationality should be kept a secret. Admittedly, hard to do when the Hotel Front Desk insists on passport, to which they photocopy or record basic info. Does anyone have a way around that?YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.
Fast Eddie 48
12-29-15, 02:17
YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.To Mr Enternational.
I left my US passport at office in Manila I told them at Devera hotel at AC I only have my photo HKID and US driver lic, but in any hotel in Thailand or China and many other country they must have a stamp Passport with arrival card.
Fast eddie 48.
YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.When you 'get there' They ask for your passport, they do not ask you to fill in card or allow you to fill in card. That is Front Desk personnel job, and it avoids false information. You would have to be lucky to ask Front Desk to hand over card and fill it in for him / her. That would be an exception, not the rule. We are talking 'in general' , 'general practice' here, not exceptions. I have got that exception (filling in card for myself) at one important hotel. But at another favorite hotel in a different province they want the passport, will not hand over check in card.
"they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. "Mostly correct, but they are great paper collectors, and if a chick came to hotel with police / lawyer whatever, chances are the hotel would hand over the filed away check-in card for lawyer / police to read. They keep the records cause something might surface after tenant has left.
The hotels who do not ask for ID, are very much the exception. Mostly short time hotels.
I have got one hotel trained to let me fill in the card (with false information, LOL). Another equally important hotel to me, in another province, does not allow tenant anywhere near the check-in card, always takes yet another copy of my passport. Well trained and. Lucky I do not do anything naughty when staying at 2nd hotel, LOL.
Next time I will try: "Fuck ya, given you the info twenty times before" , LOL.
Mr Enternational
12-29-15, 04:30
To Mr Enternational.
I left my US passport at office in Manila I told them at Devera hotel at AC I only have my photo HKID and US driver lic, but in any hotel in Thailand or China and many other country they must have a stamp Passport with arrival card.
Fast eddie 48.In Thailand it is a law that when a foreigner checks in to a hotel then they must copy the visa information and report it to immigration, so places like that you can not get away with it.
If the hotel less than 3 star (Agoda / Booking ranking), they don't bother pp copy or any thing. Just ask the payment. It happens hotels in Thailand, or Philippine or China. It is an obvious norm to keep copy evidence of visitor's either PP or ID. But underclass hotels just don't bother.
In China or Vietnam many hotels will not accept foreigners if they are not approved by the respective authority for such kind of hospitality.
In Thailand it is a law that when a foreigner checks in to a hotel then they must copy the visa information and report it to immigration, so places like that you can not get away with it.Philippines. Yes, I have been told by Front Desk in Philippines too, that it is the law to keep the passport info (which incl's visa) and must be shown if they have a visit from a government official, which would include the Police, I should think. Phils keeps passport / visa info as part of their records.
Fortunately my number 1 hotel in Phils does not have a photo copy machine, LOL.
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