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FreebieFan
12-29-15, 08:54
YOU make your reservation and YOU fill out the card when you get there. For both I have always used my Asia name. Sometimes they do not ask for a passport, but if they do they only copy it and staple the papers together. They don't look at it. A couple of weeks ago at the hotel I stay in in Manila they didn't even ask for ID; they only asked for payment.In some countries its a legal requirement to show your passport before being "allowed " to rent a hotel room, think Thailand where they need the entry visa, Saudi and China where they definately want to see the visa and must send copy of your details to another government office, but in Philippines ther is no such law. Its same as in Hong Kong, just a normal practice, byut not a law. If someone tells you its a law, ask them to show you exactly which law. Theres no such law in Philippines. A hotel though does have the right to see ID for various purposes, including in the deadly event of a fire or other life threatening situation they might just to know the names of the people residing in that building.
The easiest way for your friend to find out if there are any criminal / civil charges filed against him, or if he's been blacklisted, is to apply for a 59 day visa a few weeks before his next visit. The cost is minimal and whether or not he really needs it is irrelevant; it's only to find out his BOI status without drawing attention to himself by specifically asking about said charges.Right Pip, that's truly a very smart technique to find out! Thanks for giving us this hint!
Cheers!
Hesekiels.
Dear All brothers.
Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.
May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.
I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?
Cheers,
MD.
Dear All brothers.
Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.
May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.
I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?
Cheers,
MD.By the time I finish writing about today it will have changed by tomorrow. Just like everywhere else.
Including maybe you too? Whats wrong with paying for services rendered? Especially to people who have next to nil chance of getting a job? We all prostitute ourselves for what we want, one way or another, at times, unless of course we are young and handsome, LOL.
First the service, then the gratuity. Simples. Long live pay for play. Down with those who want something for nothing.Nah, not crazy brother. I don't mind paying for services but she was a non-pro (allegedly) who got mad over a photo of a dough ball. And saying that because I'm a foreigner, I should help the less fortunate with money. I agree, but not when I have yet to meet you. That's the crazy I'm talking about. LOL!
You tried to fish for free pussy and got denied. Doesn't matter if you are a foreigner, you would have or have been rejected in your home country.Yeah we all get rejected brother. It's just a part of the game.
ConquerorVal
12-31-15, 02:11
My second visit to AC at the end of August and beginning of September this year was a very different experience from my maiden voyage in January. True to form I got slightly inebriated on my first night. Everyone I contacted that I knew from my previous trip was either unavailable or did not answer. Staying at the Penthouse hotel made everything of interest close. It was quite late so I decided to go to High Society. Not too many girls available as it was almost closing time. Somehow, I managed to get myself a skinny tiny little spinner. She managed to accommodate my big(her words) member and I had a pretty good session with her. This was a short time session, which I did not mind, being jet lagged, drunk and all. Even though she insisted on giving me her phone number I was not interested.
After my first night with the spinner, I met an 18 year old with whom I connected through the Facebook. She showed up with three other girls ranging in age from 18 (cherry girl, according to her friends) to 21. They ate most of my chocolates before we headed out to the Ultra disco. I did not do any of the girls. Just some harmless fun at this time. I am still keeping in touch with my Facebook contact, so who knows. After the disco fun, they left and I went to Kokomos for a beer and some people watching. Again it was very late and I met one of the freelancers I got to know from my January trip and before I knew it, there were again four girls in my hotel room. Like a scene from a kinky movie, I ended up with a lactating girl, a coke head, strange mature pinay and my friend Sarah who told me where my creampie porn girl worked. Apparently, she went back to work as a bargirl. Two of the girls left and I ended up having a pretty good threesome.
One thing I have learned was that AC is a small place and that just by hanging around the same area I managed to reconnect with some of the girls whose phone numbers I have lost from my first trip including my GFE teenager and the amateur porn star. I did not shag either one of them as I spend eight of my twelve nights with one girl.
During my third night I met up again with Sarah and her cousin (not attractive at all, but according to Sarah, very good at giving head) and went to High Society where a drunk girl from Manila started to talk to me and ended up kissing me and being all over me like we knew each other for a long time. When, she asked me where I met Sarah and I told her on Fields Ave, several months ago, she told me that it was not wise to hook up with girls like that. We left High Society to check out the Voodoo bar which was packed. It was already light outside. Afterwards we headed out to my hotel where the girl turned into a super minx. Once we got in the room she pulled my pants down and started blowing me even before fully undressed and in the shower. I ended up fucking her in a cowgirl position. I was on the shower floor and she was on top of me. Kind of cramped and uncomfortable, but wow. Once we got in bed she started with sucking my toes and I received a major tongue bath before fucking her again. Prior to leaving she asked for money for school supplies (ha). I was disappointed as I thought it was a freebie, since she criticized my friend for working the streets. Gave her 1000 pesos which seemed to satisfy her but she could tell I was disappointed. She kept texting me every day for the next eight nights wanting to see me and have sex for free.
On my fourth night, I returned to Insomnia to see if my favorite teen was there. There were couple of cute dancers and some decent looking waitresses. After wasting way too many pesos, I ended up barfining a happy little Samar 21 year old with a generous rack. Learning from Master Monger I asked her if she had kids to avoid droopy boobs and stretch marks. She said no kids and I ended up with a lovely girl with sizeable chest and rock hard butt. No fat at all on this little country girl. She was superb and horny like hell. Woke me up every four hours for sex. My left foot which I injured during my first night of debauchery became infected and started to swell up. I ended up barfining this girl for a total of four straight nights. I figured I get myself a nurse with special skills. She took me to a clinic to see a doctor as my foot was getting worse and worse. I needed to get some medicine. She stayed with me for additional four nights during which time she did not ask for any money. I could not walk very much but did manage to bang this sweetie countless number of time. We also visited several nearby go go bars and she also managed to take me to a totally nude strip bar. I was the only foreigner there. This girl was really into me and even got a tattoo with my name on it. She cried on and off for almost three nights before I left. We kept in touch for almost three months, before things went south. Of course, predictably it was about money. She wanting money and me refusing to send money. I told her I was not going to sponsor her or her family. Definitely best girl friend experience (whatever different things it means to different mongers), since I was young and single.
I will be returning to AC at the end of January 2016, however, this time I plan to shag as many different girls as possible. This last visit was an excellent and very different adventure. I felt I could do no wrong during this trip. At High Society, pretty girls were giving my high fives and a girl even approached me telling me her friend wants to meet me. I could not as I was with my main girl. I felt older, and more out of shape than ever and yet the girls were super friendly. Tons of opportunities. Go figure. Who knows what experiences I will have next month. Looking forward to i
Sorry, about the long report. Pictures are of the girl I spend with eight wonderful nights.
NapaSlapper
12-31-15, 02:43
Conquororval, thanks for your trip report.
I feel it only responsible to point out to you that having a 17 year old girl in your company and more likely in your room is a stupid dangerous mistake, what were you thinking.
She is a minor, even if nothing happened, you are exposing yourself to be caught up in all sorts of problems, some very serious.
Maybe google some of the phills laws that cover foreigners being in the company of minors will shock you into being more responsible in future.
NapaSlapper
12-31-15, 03:33
Conquerorval,
Thanks for the private pm and the changes you have made to your report.
Chocha Monger
12-31-15, 04:14
Getting ready to bring the New Year in with a bang Filipino style! I have procured the biggest most powerful firecrackers from dodgy pyrotechnic vendors and duct taped them into bundles of four. When they go off every stray dog and yard fowl will flee the barangay in abject terror. Preliminary testing has left behind some impressive craters in the dirt and emphasized the importance of running quickly behind the nearest wall after lighting them. You do not want to try this after Red Horse or San Miguel has slowed your reflexes, hand eye coordination and ability to judge time.
Mongers unaccustomed to loud noises, smoke, flying debris and the smell of cordite should wear Depends and / or carry an extra set of clean drawers if hitting the streets on New Year's Eve.
Maybe google some of the phills laws that cover foreigners being in the company of minors will shock you into being more responsible in future.Like this law? http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1992/ra_7610_1992.html.
According to article VI, section B, it is illegal to be in the company of a person below 13 yo OR a person who is at least 10 years younger than you (except when said person is related to you).
If this law is really enforced then it means that almost all of us could be in trouble when we pick up girls in the Phils.
Like this law? http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1992/ra_7610_1992.html.
According to article VI, section B, it is illegal to be in the company of a person below 13 yo OR a person who is at least 10 years younger than you (except when said person is related to you).
If this law is really enforced then it means that almost all of us could be in trouble when we pick up girls in the Phils.You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.
The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.
Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.
As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.
You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.
The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.
Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.
As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.Age of consent varies all over the world. In order to try to eliminate child sex trafficking now the universal standard is 18 years old and above. Even here in USA age of consent varies state to state. Irrespective of what the state says Federal rules state 18.
Generally in many countries locals can do whatever they want but for foreigners it is 18 . More and more countries are getting very strict. Another thing every one should be concerned about is pimping. Pimping is illegal in almost all countries and this does include your trusted GF bringing another girl consent or not. I know this happens a lot but if the other girl gets annoyed, upset or whatever watch out!
You have got the wrong end of the stick here. If we play out your assertion then that would mean a 60 year old man could not be with a 48 year old woman as there is more than 10 years age difference and that is absurd.You must be right. I didn't think of that. Stupid of me!
The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12. Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. To have consensual sex with someone between the ages of 12 and 17 there must be no more than 10 years age difference. So a 24 year old man can have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. However as far as many western countries are concerned the age of consent in the Philippines is 18. Thus for example, if you were a 24 year old Australian and had sex with your 15 year old Filipina girlfriend you would be prosecuted.
Sex between 15 year olds and 24 year olds, for example, is best left to Filipino nationals living in the Philippines.
As long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.The way I understand this law is that you're already committing an offence if you have a minor in your company (if this minor is not related to you, younger than 13 or more than 10 years younger than you). So you don't even need to have sex to get a conviction.
ConquerorVal
12-31-15, 22:20
I was aware of the age of consent, which I would not breach under any condition, but I did not know that just in presence of someone younger than 18, I may be committing an offence. What if my 19 year old friend would bring her two year old son to visit my hotel room? Would that be considered an offence?
With my report I was hoping to entice other members to contribute via trip reports their sexual, girl experiences in AC. Too few candid mongering experiences and too many reports that should be filed under general information. Feedback though is appreciated regardless.
I was aware of the age of consent, which I would not breach under any condition, but I did not know that just in presence of someone younger than 18, I may be committing an offence. What if my 19 year old friend would bring her two year old son to visit my hotel room? Would that be considered an offence?
With my report I was hoping to entice other members to contribute via trip reports their sexual, girl experiences in AC. Too few candid mongering experiences and too many reports that should be filed under general information. Feedback though is appreciated regardless.I believe a small child of the 19 yo is ok. A close relative of the girl is ok. But if you have 10-17 yo daughter or sister of GF in the room it could look a little dodgy. It may be legal but can be exploit for someone's gain. Most members concerns are not necessarily the law but being in a blackmail able situation. And your blackmailer might not be the girl but someone else that noticed the situation and sees the opportunity to call their local police person or police impersonator for a jackpot.
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 01:49
This law is the one that deals with minors and its offences, the most important parts are these.
1,(a) "Children" refers to persons below eighteen (18) years.
Of age or those over but are unable to fully take care of.
Themselves or protect themselves from abuse, neglect.
Cruelty, exploitation or discrimination because of a physical.
Or mental disability or condition;.
In this section it clearly states that a minor is a person under 18 years of age.
2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a.
Minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or.
More his junior in any public or private place, hotel, motel.
Beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or.
Massage parlor, beach and / or other tourist resort or similar.
Places shall suffer the penalty of prision mayor in its.
Maximum period.
This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 02:35
I believe a small child of the 19 yo is ok. A close relative of the girl is ok. But if you have 10-17 yo daughter or sister of GF in the room it could look a little dodgy. It may be legal but can be exploit for someone's gain. Most members concerns are not necessarily the law but being in a blackmail able situation. And your blackmailer might not be the girl but someone else that noticed the situation and sees the opportunity to call their local police person or police impersonator for a jackpot.Exactly, most members are concerned of a possible set up for a pay day.
I just can't understand anyone wanting to take the risk of having anyone under the legal age in his hotel room, just don't do it, there is absolutely no reason to do it, ever.
Want to meet your girlfriends kids, her relatives then meet them in a public place, a mall, a public park etc.
Never ever agree to be left alone with a minor how ever innocent you think it is, it could cost you at best large cash, at worst prison.
The crazy part is says in any public or private place. So if I'm walking down the sidewalk and a street kid come up to me and follows me to sell flowers / gum, etc. It sounds like technically that would be illegal as well. I can't imagine anyone is getting prosecuted or blackmailed for the public part.
This law is the one that deals with minors and its offences, the most important parts are these.
2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a.
Minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or.
More his junior in any public or private place
This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.Yes, but you are missing the point here. Republic Act No. 7610 Is An Act Providing For Stronger Deterrence And Special Protection Against Child Abuse, Exploitation And Discrimination, And For Other Purposes. This legislation relates to child abuse and you should bear that in mind when trying to interpret it. If you had any legal training you would understand. Thus S2 (b) should be taken in context of children and not adults. My original post stands, namely, as long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 07:02
Yes, but you are missing the point here. Republic Act No. 7610 Is An Act Providing For Stronger Deterrence And Special Protection Against Child Abuse, Exploitation And Discrimination, And For Other Purposes. This legislation relates to child abuse and you should bear that in mind when trying to interpret it. If you had any legal training you would understand. Thus S2 (b) should be taken in context of children and not adults. My original post stands, namely, as long as the girl you are with is over the age of 18 then no offence is committed. If she is under the age of 18 then you will be committing an offence and can expect to be dealt with accordingly.With all due respect python who says I do not have a law background and cannot correctly understand the 7610 acts meanings.
You are welcome to your opinions, interpretations of course, as to whether they are right or wrong is another story.
Chocha Monger
01-01-16, 07:12
Exactly, most members are concerned of a possible set up for a pay day.
I just can't understand anyone wanting to take the risk of having anyone under the legal age in his hotel room, just don't do it, there is absolutely no reason to do it, ever.
Want to meet your girlfriends kids, her relatives then meet them in a public place, a mall, a public park etc.
Never ever agree to be left alone with a minor how ever innocent you think it is, it could cost you at best large cash, at worst prison.This scam is already practiced in AC. The monger's female companion invites a minor to meet them in the hotel room or other residence. The female companion excuses herself for a minute and friendly policemen burst into the room to put the naive monger under arrest. He is then offered the opportunity to ransom himself for a king's ransom. Read back deep into the AC thread for such reports.
With all due respect python who say I do not have a law background and cannot correctly understand the 7610 acts meanings.
You are welcome to your opinions, interpretations of course, as to whether they are right or wrong is another story.This is my last post on this matter but it is perverse to suggest that the Philippines, or indeed any other country for that matter, would make it a criminal offence for anyone to be in the company of a woman more than 10 years their junior when both parties are over the age of 18. You have made your point and I have made mine. Let the readers of this forum decide who is right and who is wrong.
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 07:49
This is my last post on this matter but it is perverse to suggest that the Philippines, or indeed any other country for that matter, would make it a criminal offence for anyone to be in the company of a woman more than 10 years their junior when both parties are over the age of 18. You have made your point and I have made mine. Let the readers of this forum decide who is right and who is wrong.I fully agree that as the 7610 law is presently written it is absolutely crazy and have clearly stated so in my previous posts.
This does not change the fact that the law says a few simple words.
Or who is ten (10) years or more his junior.
It does not give any explanation as to what ages it refers to, just that a gap of 10 years or more is an offence, so while it reads as it does then buyer be aware.
your claims of it being perverse to have laws regarding people over 18 does not hold ground,in many arab countries,in vietnam etc it is totally illegal to be in a hotel room with a person of the opposite sex of any age who you are not married to or a direct family member,so yes strange laws exist even for people over 18 but exist they do and its up to each person to arm himself with the relevant information and to take care not to break rules if one like his freedom
But hey,if i or any other member ever get arrested with an 18 year old in saudi arabia,phills.vietnam we can always tell the judge in our defence,yes but python 75 of isg forum said it was ok as long as the girl was 18 lol,only joking python
Wander Luster
01-01-16, 09:01
I'm a long- time monger, but not so old. As the Internet matures, I can't help thinking this awesome forum could also be more user friendly.
In the absence of a FAQ or Wiki or more of the fantastic "reports of distinction" updated frequently for this huge thread, perhaps someone that knows can answer. I've spend over 3 years in the PH, and am happy to answer questions in return.
1. I'm very good at the art of the p/u in a place where it's pay 4 play. When you know you'll get laid, your game can go up 4x for best girl at best price. So, I did great with LA cafe when in Manila even though most say it sucks now (I was doing this early 2015). How much better is AC for freelance at a place like LA Cafe if you want girls that are 8 on looks? In LA cafe, 2005, it takes a lot of work to pull an 8 for < P3000. But that's game, and FUN game for me. How about an 8 for P3000- P4000 in AC? Maybe more like a 9 for that price, or maybe an 8 for P3000 no problem?
2. I work remotely when traveling (from laptop), but need 1/2 decent Internet for working. If staying at good hotel, is it OK? Is Skype fairly reliable if I pay good money somewhere for a good connection?
3. What is the current thinking about bar girl prices in the clubs in AC vs. Manila or Cebu? I found all the bar girls in Manila way too expensive for prices I'd experienced in Cebu. 7 years ago I could bone a 9 in Cebu for USD 30. For USD 100 at Arena and the premium bars/bar-girls clubs, many 9's for the taking w/ very little "work" (again, that is "work" I enjoy at the bars and am willing to put in the extra time). I know that doesn't happen now, but also think for a 8-9 in Makati or Manila it's at least 100 USD? True?
Thanks,
WL.
2) (b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.... SNIP
This second law is where the confusion comes in, the main word to take careful note of is the word OR in or who is 10 years, it clearly is saying it is an offence to be with someone under 12 and by inclusion of the word or also an offence to be in the company of someone who is 10 years his junior regardless of age, I know this is totally crazy how this law reads but its there should anyone want to use it to their advantage.I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.
So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'
And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.
Right?
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 09:31
I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.
So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'
And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.
Right?As not to bore everyone I will try the explanation 1 more time.
The law does not say OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior, it says OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior, no mention of minor after the word or which clearly separates the first part, Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, from the second part, OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.
The word or is the deciding factor it is where the first part is seperated from the second part.
First part is its illegal to be with a girl under 12, second part its also illegal to be with anyone who is 10 years your junior regardless of age as it clearly does not stipulate an age in the second part.
i do not think that anyone who is 60 in a room with a female who is 40 year old women he met at bingo has anything to worry about but if a 60 year old was in a room with a 19 year old and the police,girl decided they wanted a pay day they could quite easily quote this part of the law to extract pesos,
do not forget also that any working girl regardless of age caught in our room comes under the new human traffic phills laws and carries a mandatory 20 years sentence so if they dont get us with one law there is plenty more to get us with,
Anyways lets move on to more happy subjects now.
As not to bore everyone I will try the explanation 1 more time.
The law does not say OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior, it says OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior, no mention of minor after the word or which clearly separates the first part, Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, from the second part, OR who is ten (10) years or more his junior.
The word or is the deciding factor it is where the first part is seperated from the second part.
First part is its illegal to be with a girl under 12, second part its illegal to be with anyone who is 10 years your junior regardless of age as it clearly does not stipulate an age in the second part.
Anyways lets move on now.I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. In your interpretation the word 'who' in the second part refers to nobody. If it said 'or A PERSON who is ten (10) years or more his junior' then you would be right.
I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that the other word to take careful note of is the word WHO that comes right after OR. I think this 'who' refers to minor.
So I think this means you have to read it like this:
'Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor, twelve (12) years or under, OR a minor who is ten (10) years or more his junior....'
And a minor is defined as a person below 18 yo. So I think Python75 has got it right.
Right?I am a lawyer and although NappaSlappa means well he is misinterpreting the statute. It is a very badly worded piece of legislation.
Politicians write the legislation and the courts interpret it. The legislation is in relation to CHILD abuse, under 18's. Why would the politicians include a one liner relating to adults in child abuse legislation? If the Philippine government wanted to criminalise fraternisation between over 18's who have an age difference greater than 10 years then separate legislation would cover that and not be hidden in legislation concerning child abuse. No such legislation exists.
The legislation needs to be read in its proper context which is child abuse, not adult abuse as well which NappaSlappa would have us believe. NappaSlappa is taking a literal interpretation of the legislation which is incorrect.
Besides, does anyone on this forum know of anyone who has been prosecuted in the Philippines for being with a girl aged over 18 and the age gap is greater than 10 years?
The legislation needs to be read in its proper context which is child abuse, not adult abuse as well which NappaSlappa would have us believe.
Besides, does anyone on this forum know of anyone who has been prosecuted in the Philippines for being with a girl aged over 18 and the age gap is greater than 10 years?Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.
However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?
And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?
I am a lawyer and although NappaSlappa means well he is misinterpreting the statute. It is a very badly worded piece of legislation.{S N I P}Agreed! I am not a lawyer but have had the need to interpret legal contracts for many decades. I clarify the usual lengthy sentences by applying simple grammatical rules, without changing any of the words or the sequencing of words (and then of course the lawyers claim that what I write is not correct legalese haha).
Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: "who in (10) years" should have read "who is (10) years".
(b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor:
1/ twelve (12) years or under, or
2/ who is ten (10) years or more his junior
in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places {S N I P}
And the meaning is now clear.
Ikksman
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 14:11
Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.
However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?
And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?With respect mogwai you are actually asking for legal advice from a group of guys on a mongers board?
Members may claim they are lawyers, members of the elite delta squadron, the british sas etc etc.
I could claim to be related to the queen of england or to be father Christmas who is to say what is true and what is utter bullshit or who is who,
For us mongers who like being in a 3rd world shit poor countries so that we can have our wicked way with the maidens comes with many risks, the law is what the police tell you it is should you be unfortunate to come in contact with them and they are out for a pay day.
One has only two choices pay quickly to make the problem go away or spend the next 3-5 years in a stinking jail awaiting for your case to come before a judge, think this does not happen, think again.or ask the innocent visitors to the phills who have recently had live bullets put into their luggage by phills customs officers,
Best advice, trust nobody, don't ever let your guard down, if the police come a knocking then pay up and get the fuck out, asking for legal advice from a group of mongers who claim they are x,y or z will not protect ones ass
Thanks Python, this makes a lot more sense to me.
However I'm still worried a little bit. One of my regulars has 2 kids, both younger than 13, who love to come to my hotel to swim in the pool. But never alone, they are always accompanied by their mother. Usually we sit in my room for a while to have a chat and a drink before we head to the pool. I have also visited her and her kids in her home a couple of times.
Can I be prosecuted for this, in a worst case scenario?
And another scenario: you're visiting a bar where, without your knowledge, some 16 or 17 yo girls are working. One of them keeps you company for a while and you buy her a few drinks. To you she looks 18+, it's often hard to tell as we all know. Can you be prosecuted for this?In the first scenario there really is nothing to worry about because it will be interpreted as a normal family setting. I have a regular GF some 22 years younger than me with 2 kids. Both kids are under 12 and they often stay in the hotel with me. It would be incredibly hard for any court to prove that any offence under the legislation has occurred.
The second scenario is different and unfortunately you and the bar could get in trouble, the bar more so.
With respect mogwai you are actually asking for legal advice from a group of guys on a mongers board?
Members may claim they are lawyers, members of the elite delta squadron, the british sas etc etc. Hmm yeah, that includes you LOL!
I think the answers I got speak for themselves. For me it's quite clear which answers I can trust more than others. But I agree I cannot be 100% sure.
Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: "who in (10) years" should have read "who is (10) years".I realized it haha! I saw this error. It comes with my job to pay attention to details.
In the first scenario there really is nothing to worry about
SNIP
The second scenario is different and unfortunately you and the bar could get in trouble, the bar more so.Thanks a lot Python!
NapaSlapper
01-01-16, 17:25
Hmm yeah, that includes you LOL!
I think the answers I got speak for themselves. For me it's quite clear which answers I can trust more than others. But I agree I cannot be 100% sure.I was 100% including my good self in my comments LOL.
Great academic discussions here regarding the written law for mental masterings. But when it comes down to the actual situation the police person or police impersonator is not going to give a crap about how the law is written or your interpretation of it.
Just don't get yourself into a possible situation. If you do, be prepared to accept the quickest peso resolution at the lowest bailable level.
Streetlooker
01-01-16, 20:20
Dear All brothers.
Been a while away from the philippines. By 2016, I plan to visit Manila and this time wish to spend most of my monger time in Angeles. Want to go wild this coming trip, have been trying to surf around the Angeles city forum and gather more info.
May be some veteran over here can also give your precious guidelines too, which is a plus for me to avoid some ripping places.
I wish to take the best sexperience in this trip starting from a nice location hotels and may be find some gems from the bars or non pro by then. Perhpas may be end up with couple of nice babes joining me during the duration of my stay. Is this advisable? Or changing everyday. Perhaps?
Cheers,
MD.Once again advise for questions like this can not possibly be given due to the fact you failed to mention what your budget was. Sounds to me you may have a unlimited budget which is pretty much no budget and that you can spend has much money has it take to max out and your fun time. If this is the case I advise you take the VIP room at the ABC hotel and go to the higher end bars like Atlantis crystal palace or dollhouse and EWR some of the top model girls they have. This will cost you a pretty penny But you will have a great time while in AC.
NapaSlapper
01-02-16, 03:00
Great academic discussions here regarding the written law for mental masterings. But when it comes down to the actual situation the police person or police impersonator is not going to give a crap about how the law is written or your interpretation of it.
Just don't get yourself into a possible situation. If you do, be prepared to accept the quickest peso resolution at the lowest bailable level.
Exactly,the police if on the scam care nothing except the pay day, always pay the first person,the more people who get involved the higher the get out price becomes,
NapaSlapper
01-02-16, 03:55
This scam is already practiced in AC. The monger's female companion invites a minor to meet them in the hotel room or other residence. The female companion excuses herself for a minute and friendly policemen burst into the room to put the naive monger under arrest. He is then offered the opportunity to ransom himself for a king's ransom. Read back deep into the AC thread for such reports.Thanks chocha for your post, yes I am fully aware of this common scam, many have reported this here and on many angeles based boards.
I posted in the Makati section too.
I went to AC for 3 days on the Swagman bus. Both this bus and the southern cross bus are old buses. For the expensive fair, I would think it would be primo service. And the Swagman bus forgot to pick us up at the wild orchid, we had to get a lift over to the Swagman hotel. Not good service.
From a few years ago, things are really booming in AC. There are high rise condo and hotel towers going up, and I think they are taking the prices with them. Massages were expensive. I didn't bother to barfine a girl. I took a massage girl off of walking street and it was 500 and she wanted 3 k to screw, wouldn't BBBJ, and wanted 500 for topples HJ. I agreed, then when she balked at letting me tits F her, I gave her 100 p tip and kicked her out.
I got a BBBJ at one of the remaining BJ bars. It is always good there. The girls are older usually, but always good service. What was 750 is now 1000 p though. Again with the inflation. I expect prices to keep rising. And I hope the town doesn't keep on clamping down on the P4 P scene if it wants to fill those high rise towers it is building. Who is to be all those rooms except single guys wanting cheap fun for the night?
Fastpiston
01-02-16, 12:20
Agreed! I am not a lawyer but have had the need to interpret legal contracts for many decades. I clarify the usual lengthy sentences by applying simple grammatical rules, without changing any of the words or the sequencing of words (and then of course the lawyers claim that what I write is not correct legalese haha).
Interesting to note that all posters who read the legislation (except me of course haha) automatically mentally corrected the following error without realising it: "who in (10) years" should have read "who is (10) years".
(b) Any person who shall keep or have in his company a minor:
1/ twelve (12) years or under, or
2/ who is ten (10) years or more his junior
in any public or private place, hotel, motel, beer joint, discotheque, cabaret, pension house, sauna or massage parlor, beach and/or other tourist resort or similar places {S N I P}
And the meaning is now clear.
IkksmanAll these quotes about the law & legislation in the Philippines are nonsense. Bottom line is that the police in the Philippines are a part of the criminal class, whether it relates to scamming foreigners (and Filipinos), putting bullets and white powder into travellers bags in NAIA airport or stopping cars for traffic violations (so called).
GoodEnough
01-02-16, 16:20
All these quotes about the law & legislation in the Philippines are nonsense. Bottom line is that the police in the Philippines are a part of the criminal class, whether it relates to scamming foreigners (and Filipinos), putting bullets and white powder into travellers bags in NAIA airport or stopping cars for traffic violations (so called).Thank you. This is the only post in this endless repetition of legalese that shows any understanding of the reality on the ground. Foreigners here don't get to parse legal phraseology. If scammed they pay or they go to jail.
GE.
Wander Luster
01-03-16, 07:43
I posted in the Makati section too.
I went to AC for 3 days on the Swagman bus. Both this bus and the southern cross bus are old buses. For the expensive fair, I would think it would be primo service. And the Swagman bus forgot to pick us up at the wild orchid, we had to get a lift over to the Swagman hotel. Not good service.
From a few years ago, things are really booming in AC. There are high rise condo and hotel towers going up, and I think they are taking the prices with them. Massages were expensive. I didn't bother to barfine a girl. I took a massage girl off of walking street and it was 500 and she wanted 3 k to screw, wouldn't BBBJ, and wanted 500 for topples HJ. I agreed, then when she balked at letting me tits F her, I gave her 100 p tip and kicked her out.
So basic consensus is guys from countries like S. Korea and the Middle East have now totally ruined the party for us that are in Europe or US? I've seen it, but now this seems to be the case EVERYWHERE in SEA? No more getting super hot girls from clubs or bars, because those have now increased prices 2 X. Our only options now as the low men on the totem pole, since we don't pay stupid prices, is pulling from what used to be the 2nd string locations?
Makes me want to spend less time on the hobby and just focus on GF in SEA. Middle Eastern & Korean guys are not what girls want for a real BF.
WL.
So basic consensus is guys from countries like S. Korea and the Middle East have now totally ruined the party for us that are in Europe or US?IMO, I would put it this way. The hordes of tourist from Korea, Japan, US, Europe, and Australia have ruined the party for the BUDGET tourist.
Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.
But there are good points for the hordes of tourist. Remember the mid-2000 (talking to the non-fakes out there). A lot less girls; less mega-clubs. Quality of the girls was lacking. Good looking girls (IMO) did not want to come to Angeles for half of the approx. 1200-1800 peso barfine. There are more better looking girls now than in 2003 (of course you have the same marginal looking girls (which many guys like...which is great).
Korean guys are not what girls want for a real BF.Another point for debate. IMO, many girls like / prefer the Koreans because they say they're more culturally similar. But of course, what most of the girls want for a REAL boyfriend is the green or the green card (US term).
Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.
I experienced AC from '92 on. This was certainly before the Koreans arrived but after the Yanks left. Several bars open, but you could find a lot of bars with few girls and no customers. There were also a lot bars that had gone bust and remained shuttered. LT was the deal. Little pressure for lady drinks.
By the mid 90's AC had picked up. Koreans were going Cebu at this time. It was more business friendly for investors and considered safer. I think the first major Korean investment in AC was the purchase of the Chicago Park Hotel. Boracay becomes a honeymoon destination for Koreans.
In '97 was Korea's economic meltdown. Many younger Koreans who had been going to the States and Canada to study English shifted to cheaper locales. The Korean economy was in the doldrums for a few years but Koreans started investing in Ermita and later AC.
Mid to late 90's the rise of the Internet makes places like Pattaya and AC better known. Prior it was word of mouth.
By mid noughties Korean penetration into AC and Puerto Gallera really picked up. A lot of development of AC clubs. Korean economy had recovered and more Koreans visit the Philippines for golf, sex and English.
The these-girls-are-for-Koreans-only thing is indeed a Korean thing. It was a common practice is Korea's RLD outside those that service foreigners such as Itaewon and the camp towns; Koreans had the notion that foreigners were AIDs carriers, so as you wandered around there Korean blokes would shout out "AIDs" as you passed by. The girls in the windows would turn their backs to you. A place gets the stigma of catering to foreigners and the Koreans will shun it.
In the Philippines the Korean model is quite different from the Japanese model. The Japanese by and large developed their own places and pretty much patronised them exclusively. The Koreans enter existing places, take them over to a degree, and then expand in the area. Places that remain blended have a distinct two-tier vibe. If a girl who caters to Koreans gets the rep of going with non Koreans this can lose her business. Some do, but they tend to be discreet about it. Get her mobile number and arrange to meet outside away from Korean eyes.
For about two decades now the rising and now major player in AC has been the Koreans. They're the investors and the customers. Changes, good or bad, have been most influenced by them. Korea doesn't have a tipping culture except for a few businesses such as the bath house if you get a scrub, the gold course caddy, and the sex business, and tips there can be large.
Since the late noughties there have been more Indians and Chinese making their way to the Philippines and AC. Maybe 10 years from now the Koreans will be complaining about them.
Since '92 what has changed in the region? The Japanese economy lost at least a decade. Korea blossomed. China rose. For the punter, he has lost Korea - except for the Japanese punter it was never major foreigner draw, but it was quite good, and by the early noughties most of the bar girls working in foreigner-patronised places were Russian and Filipino. Cambodia and Vietnam both came on the scene. In Thailand Hua Hin developed. Bangkok's Soi 33 rose, but it's declining nowadays. Nana Plaza has really boomed; it was there in the early 90's, but it didn't get the huge number of customers as today. Manila lost the Ermita bars and Pasay gained the EDSA International Complex. Burgos pretty much the same. AC has grown. Cebu's bikini bars I found in the early 90's are gone. I can't speak much for China as I've only partied there a couple of time, and it seems quite good, but it is not the easily accessible places we find in Thailand, the Philippines and Cambodia. It'll be interesting to see how Burma develops.
The these-girls-are-for-Koreans-only thing is indeed a Korean thing.It's also a Japanese thing in some places in Tokyo (from what I've heard).
If a girl who caters to Koreans gets the rep of going with non Koreans this can lose her business. Some do, but they tend to be discreet about it. Get her mobile number and arrange to meet outside away from Korean eyes.I've talked to many of the popular girls in Angeles. Many of them only go with East Asians. I ask them why. Many will say I don't know. Some will say, culturally similar or easier, or small dicks. I still haven't gotten into the head of the Filipina's mind.
In Angeles, assuming most of the popular girl's cliental are tourist. Assuming the girl's reputation will not be known to most of the tourist. Not sure how big the Korean ex-pat market is.
Also, the popular girl's reputation (if she goes out with non East Asians) won't matter on how much business she gets because she gets barfined every single day, with her choice of customers (her choice on ethnicity).
Above statements apply to the popular girls, working on the larger bars on Fields. Some of the smaller, mainly Korean-only cliental bars, with Korean owners and managers might be different. Hence, Hutsori's above comments might be more accurate for these bars.
I've talked to many of the popular girls in Angeles. Many of them only go with East Asians. I ask them why. Many will say I don't know. Some will say, culturally similar or easier, or small dicks. ........................The world does not stand still, it changes. We have got to innovate to survive.
Filipinos think short time. If they thought long term, they might change their attitude towards Western man, cause a lot of them have married Filipinas in the past, giving the girls long term stability. That was our lure in days of old, the prospect of marriage. I don't see any evidence of the Koreans marrying Filipinas. Will the Filipinas come to their senses and secure their long term future? No point waiting to see. Innovate to get a date. Upgrade your modus operandi, as best you can. Don't forget the K's they admire are quite often half our age. Maybe a major investment in plastic surgery? LOL.
I still haven't gotten into the head of the Filipina's mind.Me neither but as long as it's so damn easy to get into their pussies I don't care, LOL!
Wander Luster
01-07-16, 06:59
IMO, I would put it this way. The hordes of tourist from Korea, Japan, US, Europe, and Australia have ruined the party for the BUDGET tourist.
Some people on this board blame the Koreans for the girls not wanting to do LT, wanting tips, being selective, and even double lady drinks. These are points for debate.
But there are good points for the hordes of tourist. Remember the mid-2000 (talking to the non-fakes out there). A lot less girls; less mega-clubs. Quality of the girls was lacking. Good looking girls (IMO) did not want to come to Angeles for half of the approx. 1200-1800 peso barfine. There are more better looking girls now than in 2003 (of course you have the same marginal looking girls (which many guys like...which is great).
Another point for debate. IMO, many girls like / prefer the Koreans because they say they're more culturally similar. But of course, what most of the girls want for a REAL boyfriend is the green or the green card (US term).Super useful response, GreenBud. My knowledge is an A on some of these topics, but you filled some gaps where I'm a C grade. I haven't heard others say that with quantity of guys more girls stepped in to the scene both for p4 P or GF with foreigners: at least not in a way that is any better now for Westerners OR those from Korea. Guys seem to complain 10 years ago in Angeles or elsewhere in PH was much better. I will say, from my experience, Cebu of 2006 vs. LA Club or Club Havana or good bar scene in Manila circa 2015 was 2 X better. Would LOVE to go back to Mango Ave, Cebu of 2005 vs. Manila of 2015. I worked there 1/2 the year, but also was in Manila working in 2015 for shorter time. Manila did not impress vs. 2006 Cebu!
As for the GF w / westerners vs. Japanese vs. Korean, I think it goes both ways. Some PH girls like Asian guys, other PH girls like Western guys, both w/ bars and GFs.
I'd just say it's hard to deny the P4 P scene is worse for those on a budget AND w / more money now because of more Asian tourists from the now wealthy countries on the continent like S Korea. I think they've also brought up prices for what used to be a 100 USD BF and is now 200 USD for a 9, a decade later. The Interwebs changed everything, but I wonder if they brought more girls to the hot-spots for those of us that travel to meet women or if they mostly just brought more guys and a higher price-tags, less good looks/personality, GF or otherwise.
WL.
Chocha Monger
01-09-16, 12:42
Super useful response, GreenBud. My knowledge is an A on some of these topics, but you filled some gaps where I'm a C grade. I haven't heard others say that with quantity of guys more girls stepped in to the scene both for p4 P or GF with foreigners: at least not in a way that is any better now for Westerners OR those from Korea. Guys seem to complain 10 years ago in Angeles or elsewhere in PH was much better. I will say, from my experience, Cebu of 2006 vs. LA Club or Club Havana or good bar scene in Manila circa 2015 was 2 X better. Would LOVE to go back to Mango Ave, Cebu of 2005 vs. Manila of 2015. I worked there 1/2 the year, but also was in Manila working in 2015 for shorter time. Manila did not impress vs. 2006 Cebu!
As for the GF w / westerners vs. Japanese vs. Korean, I think it goes both ways. Some PH girls like Asian guys, other PH girls like Western guys, both w/ bars and GFs.
I'd just say it's hard to deny the P4 P scene is worse for those on a budget AND w / more money now because of more Asian tourists from the now wealthy countries on the continent like S Korea. I think they've also brought up prices for what used to be a 100 USD BF and is now 200 USD for a 9, a decade later. The Interwebs changed everything, but I wonder if they brought more girls to the hot-spots for those of us that travel to meet women or if they mostly just brought more guys and a higher price-tags, less good looks/personality, GF or otherwise.
WL.They have brought: higher prices; bad attitudes; preference for short-time; more rookie mongers; more be and see grade girls; more attention from anti-mongering organizations and corrupt extortionist authorities. For Westerner mongers with a decade or more in the hobby, the hot-spots have definitely declined.
The hot-spots will continue to evolve into something very different from what it was before the Korean tsunami struck. Perhaps they will keep moving towards the KTV show bar model where Asian mongers make it rain pesos to impress their friends and associates while running up huge lady drink tabs. Some be and see quality venues will still be available for Western mongers but they will continue to be less and less of a priority as more of the K-pop crowd arrive shoving aside Westerners.
This trend is probably more of an issue for oldsters. Younger Western guys do not seem to be interested in the hobby and Flip girls in general. In the past couple months I have seen numerous young Western male tourists in the Philippines and with few exceptions they were with quite attractive Western girls. Rising airfares, new economic realities worldwide, and worsening security conditions in the Philippines will make it less appealing as a mongering destination for new Western hobbyists. The Philippines department of tourism has announced that its new strategy is to focus on attracting tourists from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iraq. This shift to generating tourism from Third World and conflict zones occurred after the recent bullet planting scam and warnings from Western embassies to their citizens to avoid areas in the Philippines that were previously considered safe. It seems that the government has given up on trying to attract tourists from civilized industrial countries.
In any part of the world once the mongering spot becomes well known everything changes. All mongers are guilty of overpaying, causing shitty attitudes from prostitutes etc. When the girls learn they can get away by demanding lots of money they will use that knowledge. As far as we are concerned we can look for the best girls possible but there will be failures. Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.
Mr Enternational
01-09-16, 20:21
Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.
Member #4698
01-09-16, 20:31
In any part of the world once the mongering spot becomes well known everything changes. All mongers are guilty of overpaying, causing shitty attitudes from prostitutes etc. When the girls learn they can get away by demanding lots of money they will use that knowledge. As far as we are concerned we can look for the best girls possible but there will be failures. Cannot blame any of this on certain group of people.
Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.
Everyday hundreds of planes land at Swampy and Ninoy Aquino bringing in more and more horny, lonely guys from all over the world. I blame the internet for making it so damn easy for guys to learn about SE Asia and get over their reticence about trying something risky and unknown. Before the internet, travel was for the adventurous and information was spread person to person and mouth to mouth. You had to be somewhere already before you would likely hear about some club or bar with sexy girls worth checking out. Most of these new types of travelers would never have even contemplated coming to a place like AC, MNL, BKK or Pat before the internet. The pre-internet days were the golden era of punting worldwide. It is only going to get worse from here in out unless the world goes into a severe global depression lasting a decade or more. I am sorry to sound so pessimistic. I would love to be wrong.
ForceSteeler
01-09-16, 23:31
Everyday hundreds of planes land at Swampy and Ninoy Aquino bringing in more and more horny, lonely guys from all over the world. I blame the internet for making it so damn easy for guys to learn about SE Asia and get over their reticence about trying something risky and unknown. Before the internet, travel was for the adventurous and information was spread person to person and mouth to mouth. You had to be somewhere already before you would likely hear about some club or bar with sexy girls worth checking out. Most of these new types of travelers would never have even contemplated coming to a place like AC, MNL, BKK or Pat before the internet. The pre-internet days were the golden era of punting worldwide. It is only going to get worse from here in out unless the world goes into a severe global depression lasting a decade or more. I am sorry to sound so pessimistic. I would love to be wrong.Well again it all comes down to supply and demand. Back in the 90's they were few mongers coming to Angeles city so the girls were more willing to do GFE and were looking for a long time sponsor because they did not know when they might get there next costumer. Fast forward to 2016 and with the age of the internet, There are so many tourist coming to Angeles city, So they can afford to give a shitty attitude and poor service because if a girl is attractive enough she can get bar fined everyday.
Even me as a monger I have changed when it comes to women. I have more options to fuck so many beautiful women from Brazil-Asia sleeping with 100's of women every year, That when I come back to the USA, I treat these westernize women like shit and they like me a lot more because I have I don't give a fuck attitude and are not sweating them or putting them on a pedestal, like so many guys in the America. It shocks them when you treat them like shit and are not putting up with there attitude.
Member #4387
01-10-16, 09:38
Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.Seriously? What is 1000 p to us (maybe half an hour work if you earn like average). And don't blame me I wouldn't stick my feet anywhere close to AC.
If we look at it from the girly angel ofcourse I would prefer earning money from drinks rather than spreading them legs every now and then (multiple times a day). I encourage all girls to skip barwork, become good girls so we can join forces through various fake FB's (joking lang).
Wicked Roger
01-10-16, 10:39
Gents,
I know there are a few pervs out there this board LOL. Some very kinky and terribly naughty also who like to taste preggy girls.
I know one, very pretty, about 4-5 months now who is keen to meet pervs.
I know her, she is very good, pretty and sexy plus at times she likes Greek.
And looks very good in heels and lingerie.
PM me if there are any naughty boys in AC who like this perversion LOL (I don't as I am a good Catholic LOL).
IllusionHeart
01-10-16, 17:19
Continued from Manila thread.
December 30 (Day 4: Wednesday)
We had booked a taxi with Roy from Manila to AC for the second time. Thanks Goodenough for sharing this contact earlier. This trip Roy charged us 2700 pesos one way which was 100 lower than last trip. As expected he was on time at the Hotel. Clean, new car with comfortable seats. It was a smooth traffic free ride to Lewis Grand Hotel in Angeles, approx. 2. 5 hours. I had booked a Deluxe suite at approx. 95 USD a night for 4 nights from booking.com, eventually after adding taxes it worked to be same as the rate offered by Hotel directly I. E. 116 USD per night.
While checking in at the Hotel I was upgraded to a Pool side Jacuzzi Suite without any additional charges. It was a welcome delight. This room was quoted at USD 175 per night. I couldn't have asked for more as a New Year gift. Settled in and immediately moved on to Ponytails.
There were approx. 25 odd girls between two changes. Got a good shoulder massage while identifying potential. Didn't see any so moved on to Eruptions. It was extremely sad with 3 girls on the front floor and another 3 or 4 inside. Decided to go back to Hotel and hit Walking Street in the evening.
Bars visited on WS are as follows:
Kings Landing: Decent selection of girls, approx. 15+ with 2 changes. I got talking to the waitress and found her quite sexy and to my liking. I barfined her, 2400 pesos LT. She told me her name was Maria. She was 5'2', A+ sized breasts, decent body, lovely smile and extra cattiness.
Vikings: Great collection of girls, Approx 40 + between two changes. Some real cuties and PYTs. Definitely one of the best bars on the strip.
Stardust /Carnival: Dead with just 4 or 5 girls on the floor. Main floor was closed. Girls were standing upfront near the sofas, easily can be given a miss. Liked one waitress here but would try another day if possible.
Shipwrecked: Average selection. Approx 6 to 8 girls. Nothing interesting. The waitress were extra fun and were flirting for drinks. Didn't oblige them.
I was not aware that doorgirls or waitresses could also be barfined as I had liked a lot of girls on my earlier visit and had never asked them. This trip I was going to ask any girl I liked and not miss the opportunity.
We got back to the room, had few drinks. Maria was super charged and extremely funny. She was having a good time. We were carrying a bottle of Tequila alongwith Scotch. Few drinks later it was bed time. The cat in Maria was out on the bed, she liked to play around and was enjoying herself. The few shots of tequila seem to have added to her vigor. Good kissing and a decent BBBJ. She had a Bush. Slow sex in missionary and we continued to finish in doggy. We dozed off after that, Next thing I remember is Maria waking me up at 7 am. She wanted to leave as she had to get home early for New Year preparations with her family. What a bummer as I did not even have morning wood. I let her go with a 100 peso tip.
Overall experience: 6.5/10 as she bailed out in the morning without any prior indication.
IllusionHeart
01-10-16, 17:21
December 31 (Day 5: Thursday)
Started our day with breakfast at Kokomos at 12 pm. Quantity had reduced and quality has gone downhill for sure. Not worth the 300 pesos I spent. This was one change I was not expecting.
The shuttle dropped us at the bars beginning on perimeter Road. We went into the below mentioned bars:
Night Moves: Average selection of girls. 6+ on the floor. Nothing caught my fancy. We moved on.
Another bar in between, forgot the name, nothing interesting so moved next door.
Candy: 7+ girls on the floor, good collection. I liked a girl and called her for a drink. Her name was Rachel. We immediately connected. She was a sweet and lively girl. I immediately bar fined her. 1600 pesos. She was going to stay till 7 pm as she had to return to Manila for New years with her family. I was ok with that. We got back to hotel. Blanqui also found his girl at Candy.
We chatted and had a beer while watching the pool. Rachel could not swim so we couldn't partake and enjoy the warm and sunny afternoon weather. What a bummer. None the less we were back inside, shower and onto bed. Rachel had a superb curvy arse. It was not so obvious when she was dressed and from her small and petite body. We started kissing and slowly warming up. Rachel responded very well and I could already see her getting wet as my fingers reached her inside. She had a Bush. We didn't waste time and I got her to do WOT. Few minutes and I could see her shuddering. I rolled her over into missionary and could see the grin on her face stating that she had come. I continued for few minutes and had to turn her over for that sexy arse. I entered her from behind and lifted her up holding her A+ sized breasts. I came within a minute with her also finishing the second time. We were completely satiated. It had been one of the best sessions of this trip. I wanted to meet her again the next day but she had taken few days off and would be back on 2nd or 3rd of January. There was nothing I could do but let it go. Rachel left around 6. 30 pm with a 500 peso tip. It had indeed been great session with her.
Overall experience: 8.5/10.
We went to Walking Street around 7 pm. I wanted to get a girl early as we had anticipated a thin crowd across bar considering it was New Years eve. We were carrying enough booze and wanted to spend the evening in the hotel itself.
We visited bars as below:
Champagne: Good selection of girls. Easily one of the best bars after Vikings. As soon as I entered my eyes caught a girl standing near the bar. She was not dressed in clothes the girls on stage were wearing hence I was not sure if she was working in the bar or visiting with a customer. She was hot and my eyes were continuously glued to her. I had lost interest in the girls on stage. Before I could make any move the waitress approached her and whispered something. The girl then walked towards a Korean guy and got herself seated. What a bummer. She was indeed working in the bar and I had delayed unnecessarily. Her street clothes had put me off track. We moved on.
Superstar: Average selection. We moved on.
Hot Lips: Average selection. We moved on.
Club Salambo: Average selection. We moved on.
Angelwitch / Roadhouse: We were in a mood to listen to rock music so this was the best bar to get into. Add to that Blanqui wanted to take his chances with meeting a hottie from a previous trip at Angelwitch. The girls here are slightly pushy for drinks but the music makes up for everything else.
Finding none interesting I decided to peek into Roadhouse as it's connected to Angelwitch through a curtained entrance near the pool table. I had chatted with a girl around 6 months back on FB and wanted to check out if she was there. When I entered I immediately noticed her seated beside on a sofa. I walked to her and started chatting with her. She also remembered me but we had never met and this was the first time. I told her that I was seated in Angelwitch with a friend and she could join me for drinks there. Her name was Ivy. We instantly clicked and felt like old friends catching up. Wasting no time further I barfined her. 3000 pesos. Meanwhile Blanqui had got lucky too.
We were off to our room to celebrate new year's. This time I invited Blanqui & his girl over to ring in the new year. We called in for food from the Hotel and the drinking started. We were having good fun listening to music and chatting. We came out briefly when the year changed and the fireworks went up on display. We were back inside the room within minutes. Everyone seem to have got high. The tequilas had done their magic on the girls but somehow we were holding the scotch. Alcohol incidentally is not so expensive in AC in stores hence we had now learned that we could avoid carrying the same unless it was for a specific age or brand which we would not get here. The girls got knocked off in the next hour and we had to put them to bed.
Now Blanqui and myself were left with two knocked out girls on bed in my room sleeping on the bed and nothing to do. We decided to hit Walking Street again for some fun. It was approx. 2 am. We took the shuttle within minutes after putting up a "DND" sign outside my room.
We went to:
Champagne: I was not able to get the Champagne girl out of my head so we went back there. Unfortunately she was not there and must have been barfined by the Korean customer I thought. Few girls on stage and nothing interesting we moved out.
Equus: There were approx 3 girls on stage and looked extremely tired. We had to move on.
Voodoo: No girl on stage but the bar was full. All girls had been taken. We waited for 5 minutes but none came to take our order. Everyone seemed busy and drunk in the new year's. We moved on.
Club Adriatico: As soon as we entered the waitress told us that there were closing in 5 minutes. No luck here as well.
We didn't want to go to High Society as it seemed extremely crowded so we went back to Hotel. Blanqui woke his girl up and took her to his room. I showered and went to sleep. When I woke up in the morning Ivy was cuddled up to my back. She was now sober and had cleaned herself up. I had my morning wood so we started kissing. She tasted sweet. I wondered if she would have been awake last night maybe I would have been able to have more fun. Ivy was slightly heavy on her lower body and bearing two children had done the damage to her stomach and thighs. Her be sized breasts were saggy and she was clean shaven. It wasn't so bad and I continued. We started in missionary and I finished in doggy soon after. Good kissing and BBBJ. It was a decent session. I let her go with a 200 peso tip shortly.
Overall experience: 6.5/10.
IllusionHeart
01-10-16, 17:23
January 1 (Day 6: Friday)
I was up by noon and wanted to check out the Perimeter road bars. I had Foxy, Honey Kos and Firepit on my mind. I started walking towards Friendship jeepney terminal. All the bars barring a few were closed. I saw Afterskool open and went in. There were 3 girls on stage and they also looked tired for the earlier evening party. I moved to Roadies beside. There were 4 girls on stage. One looked good but I was not really convinced on taking her. I moved on to check if other bars would be open. I hiked upto the Friendship Highway where I felt as if I had accidently entered a Korean village. All shops and restaurants seemed to have a signboard in Korean. I turned back because it was like walking in a dead street. Everything was closed. On the way back I thought of going back to Roadies and picking up the girl. I was late. A convoy of Korean men had come and picked all 4 girls. The bar was closing down due to no girl being available now. What a New Year bummer.
I came and lazed around for a while. By 3 pm Blanqui was up and about. We headed to Bierkeuche Snack House in the afternoon near Josephville Sub-division 1. Amazing assortment of German craft beers and some hearty German sausages. We tanked ourselves up till we could not drink and eat anymore. Tried all the beer available. Also met the master brewer Michael who spoke to us for a while about his passion in beer brewing. It was a great afternoon. We had to walk our way back to the Hotel because we were so full. Definitely recommended.
We were back to Walking Street in the evening and visited these bars:
Champagne: Started our evening hunt. I opted for a coffee as I was too full from the large meal in the afternoon. Few girls compared to earlier evening. None floated my boat so we moved on.
Shipwrecked: Blanqui had identified a girl whom he wanted to BF from the last visit so we went here. I fooled around with the waitresses. Mary looked extremely horny and was asking me to take her. She had my hands on her big melons before I could realise. There weren't any girls on stage interesting for me so I held back. Blanqui took his girl and left for the hotel.
Monsoon: It started pouring so I went in for a drink. Couldn't sit for more than 15 minutes there.
Stardust: I wanted to check if the waitress was there as she seemed to be a bubbly and fun girl. She was on leave.
Bunker: I got out as soon as I entered.
Arcadia: I got out as soon as I entered.
Champagne: I went back to Champagne as it was really pouring now and I didn't want to be out soaking myself. Once inside I got a seat near the entrance. I immediately saw the PYT girl getting up on stage. I got the waitresses to immediately call her over before someone else got her. She was seated beside me within minutes. Apple flavoured beer ordered for her. We got talking. Her name was Rowena. She was a sweet and petite girl with a lovely smile. When I asked her if she barfined she dropped the nuke on me. She was a cherry girl. If I remember it well I thought she went with a Korean guy a couple of nights ago. I didn't pursue further. But looking at her body I was doubting that she was a cherry girl. But I am not an expert nor God.
Shipwrecked: I went back and barfined Mary. 2400 pesos.
Took her to the Hotel. She was a mature girl with Jollibee loaded in all the right places but had a good vibe. As far as I had a good fuck I did not care. We got settled with a drink. She went for a shower and got on to bed. She was a great kisser. Experience does come with its benefits. She also gave me a great BBBJ. She has be+ sized breasts and was sporting a Bush. We had a good fucking session starting with doggy, spoon and ending in missionary. I was happy with the session.
Overall experience: 7/10.
A few hours later by around 1 am I got a call from Blanqui that he had let his girl go and wanted to go out again. I was happy with one session hence rather than keeping Mary waiting I let her go. A mistake in hindsight. We went to Kings Landing where Blanqui got another gal. Again, someone he had eyed the previous night. I just didn't feel like hitting bars again so decided to retire for the night. I should have asked Mary to stay back but it was too late now.
IllusionHeart
01-10-16, 17:25
January 2 (Day 7: Saturday)
We went to Neop Quad, Blanqui's girl in tow. We wanted to visit Bifs Smoke and Grill. Though the hotel shuttle dropped us there they charged us 420 peso. We should have negotiated with a trike guy instead. The food was worth the visit. We had some amazing Pork Ribs, Steak and Burger. Washed it down with a Corona. Blanqui's gal negotiated with a trike guy and dropped us back to hotel in 250 pesos. The same trike took away Blanqui's girl too.
After lazing for some time we went to Perimeter Road around 4. 30 pm:
Patches: First bar we went to. Quite a big bar with nice decor. Pity there were only 4 girls on stage and none of them interested me.
Honey Kos: Average gals, we were out soon.
Ice Bar: Average gals, we were out soon.
Firepit: Good selection of girls. I was wondering why we didn't visit here earlier. Almost 20+ girls between 2 changes. I liked one and got her to my table. She told me her name was Angel. I doubted but it didn't matter. Angel had a seductive smile and I was already enjoying having her beside me. She had this long gaze in her eyes which were quite inviting and I wanted to get back to the Hotel as soon as I could. Bar fine was 1500 and she had to return by 9 pm. I had almost 3 hours on hand.
Called for the shuttle and we were inside the room in 10 minutes. As soon as we entered Angel went to get a shower. I followed. We were on bed and kissing in no time. She had good be sized breasts and I loved sucking on them. She was smelling sweet and was extremely horny. She came when I was kissing and fingering her. Looks like I had got the quintessential horny Pinay girl that I had heard always about. She was adept at BBBJ and gave an excellent one licking my balls and the entire genital area. She then feasted herself on my nipples while wanking me. I stopped her and entered in missionary. Few minutes later she asked her to pick her up which I obliged. She enjoyed fucking in the sitting position with her legs wrapped around my back. I couldn't hold this way longer so I went on my back. She seemed to enjoy the WOT and was almost ready to make me finish. I had to stop her and turn her over to doggy and finish. We lay there panting for few minutes. She cleaned me and came back, cuddled up to me. I needed a smoke as it has been a really good fuck.
I got ourselves beer and we lay there chatting and knowing about each other. We must have talked for 15 minutes when her hand was already on my dick and she was trying to get it up. Well she seemed like a magician. I was hard again soon. We started kissing and enjoying each other. Continued fondling and sucking each other's lips for some time. She had a Bush and I didn't feel like DATY so didn't try. She went down of me and was giving me a good licking. I had to stop her and entered her sideways face to face. Her right leg on my back. We did this way for some time then she turned over and I entered her from behind. She liked this position as well as I could get a handful of her breasts while kissing and thrusting her from behind. I eventually finished in missionary. It had been an hour into the room and we were already done with two sessions. I now needed a break so switched on the TV. Tried to talk to her. She went and cleaned herself, came back and lay beside me. We conversed for a few minutes when her hand was back on my dick. I was shocked. The girl wanted another pop. I just was not in the mood. I had never met such a horny Pinay till date. I told her that I need to rest for some time and she can watch TV or go and take a swim in the pool. She wasn't interested in either and started kissing me. I had to request her to stop which seemed to put her off. I didn't care. She was a nymphomaniac raring to go for multiple sessions without a slight hint of tiredness. I was no match for her.
By 8 pm I got a call from Blanqui that we need to hit the bars being our last night in AC. I had to let Angel go anyways at 9 pm so I decided to leave her early. I gave her 300 peso tip and thanked her for her company. I was also wondering if she would have stayed the entire night I might have got hospitalized the next day due to exhaustion. Not met any working girl till date who would want 3 pops in 90 minutes. She was indeed a sweet gem.
Overall experience: 9/10.
We were out to Walking Street around 9 pm. Bars we went to were:
Viking: I had liked a girl from Viking during my earlier visit but could not take her as I was already accompanied. I wanted to BF her on the last night. We got in and seated ourselves. The Bar manager, a Kopino gent was pushy for us to select a girl. We deferred and waited for the change when I didn't see her on stage. There were approx. 30+ girls but most of them suited for Korean taste. Small and petite, doll like features, lots of surgery presumably. Meanwhile Blanqui had his first rejection of his trip. When the girls changed I could see the girl I had come to the bar for. I showed the Manager the girl I wanted. He went and came back. My first rejection of the night. Girl was not feeling well and didn't want to go out. Why the hell was she on stage than. We knew why she didn't want to to go. We settled our tab and moved on. We also now got a first-hand experience of the collective wisdom shared on this forum about girls not wanting to shag customers.
Champagne: We had started to like the ambience and vibe of this bar. We went in for a drink. The waitress got friendly with us as she had stayed in Singapore few years back and we got chatting. Meanwhile I saw Rowena walk up to a customer for drink. I asked waitress about her. She also told me that Rowena was a cherry girl. It didn't make sense to me but I ignored.
Club Ra (Grand Pharoah): We had been walking everyday past this bar and because funnily a Korean restaurant named "Tarana" had opened on the ground floor we thought the club was history. Also, it wasn't lit up with neon signs like other bars. But this night a door girl was standing and she called us in. Up the lift we entered Club Ra on level 3. The place was huge like Atlantis. It was full. Some really hot girls on stage, approx. 20+. We were greeted by the owner, an Aussie gent. We settled onto a sofa near the side of the stage. We got a good view of the girls standing on two levels from here. I immediately had my eyes on 3 of them and was evaluating mentally which one to pick. Two of the girls got called out and went to the tables. I called for the 3rd girl before she was also picked by someone else. Jackie was beside me in minutes. She was extremely cute. She must have been 5' with be sized breasts. We got talking when the show started. There were almost 3 or 4 set of dancers each set consisting of 4 girls if I remember well. The show went on for a full 30 minutes. The advantage of Club Ra as we saw was that while the regular girls were 3000 peso the dancers were also available for BF. Their prices were 3600 pesos. This immediately doubles the choice for anyone wanting to choose. But after what we have seen at Atlantis, it is possible that the girls BF but don't partake in sex. Yes, this is possible.
We settled the tab and were back to Hotel. We had few drinks and ordered some room service as all of us were famished. It was almost 1 am by the time we decided to split. I wanted to pack up before we slept and avoid the morning rush. Jackie went in for a shower. I told her where the towels were. She came back and lied on the bed. I told her that I needed to pack and will join her in some time. I finished my packing in the next 20 minutes and went to take a shower. When I entered the bathroom I could hear the Jacuzzi motor running. It seemed that Jackie had missed the separate shower area and had bathed herself in the Jacuzzi shower. I thanked my stars for the motor not conking off as the tub was dry. It would have been a mess and a large bill to settle in the morning if I would have also gone to sleep with her.
When I came back on bed Jackie was fast asleep. I tried to shake her but she seemed tired so I went to sleep. I had a very wonderful 2 sessions in the evening and dint want to push it further.
IllusionHeart
01-10-16, 17:26
January 3 (Day 8: Sunday)
Jackie woke me up at 8 am. She was saying boom boom time. I told her to go to sleep and we would get at it later. She then told me that she had to go early as she needed to pay her electricity bill. I was not in the mood for a pop and didn't want to hold her back so I let her go with a 100 peso trike tip. I went back to sleep.
Overall Experience: 0/10.
We checked out at 12 am. Roy was there on time to take us to NAIA.
Despite fears regarding the quality and quantity of girls this trip to Philippines had been really amazing. I met some really good gals and enjoyed their company. There were few rejections but nothing to dampen our spirits. We took them in stride and moved on. There were tons of girls available in Manila and AC. I was too picky as usual but every time I found someone to my taste.
I will return because "Its definitely more fun in the Philippines"
GoodEnough
01-10-16, 18:26
Very nice, thorough reports and I thank you for taking the time to write them. I'm also glad you were satisfied with Roy's service. He's a really good guy and I hope you'll pass his contact information to others who may need safe and efficient transportation between Manila and Angeles.
GE.
I was out last night on Fields ave at around 10:30 pm and I've never seen so few mongers out. It was a Sunday night, but even so. I would have expected more people.
Well I place the blame on those that buy all those damn lady drinks and pay more than 1000 pesos for LT. These are the guys who have ruined the place.Would there be an Angeles City w / out the bars? Mr E forgets where is bread is buttered. Angeles City would not be Angeles City unless there were guys willing to buy a BG a drink.
Guys who buy LDs are only responsible for supporting the AC scene. Guys on vacation want to live it up, they want what they want. You can find your freelancers because there is a thriving AC bar scene. You should be grateful to the mongers who patronize the bars. Now over tipping is another story, that's not cool LOL!
As Natty said before, "it's the internet". If you want to point fingers go to the mirror. We all benefit from the internet and we'll suffer the consequences of it too.
Cheers Bro.
Seriously? What is 1000 p to us (maybe half an hour work if you earn like average). I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.
I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.Yes average wage in Norway is quite lower. Based on a Google search "In Norway, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 33,492 a year". This is $16.75 per hour. So yes his number is a gross overestimate.
Member #4387
01-11-16, 11:40
I know Norway is a rich country but even there I think 1000 PhP (about 21 USD or 19 EUR) for only half an hour work is way above average.I agree I did only write this with airing my thumb. US17 per hour is the minimum anyone can get paid in Norway according to law. But I know gvmnt official like police and custom officers earning like 2000 pisos per hour (not high ranking) and that's pretty normal jobs ID think. But again your right, I am sorry.
Screaming Beaver
01-11-16, 11:41
I know Norway is a rich country...I'm afraid Norway ain't no rich country anymore with $30 oil. If this continues Skogis may have to start shopping for value beaver along with the Aussies.
IllusionHeart
01-11-16, 16:07
Very nice, thorough reports and I thank you for taking the time to write them. I'm also glad you were satisfied with Roy's service. He's a really good guy and I hope you'll pass his contact information to others who may need safe and efficient transportation between Manila and Angeles.
GE.Thanks GE for spending the time to read them. Really appreciate it.
Roy is an absolute gentleman. We were very impressed with his punctuality, patience and driving skills. Extremely safe and efficient. I would always recommend to avail his services if two or more people are travelling between Manila and AC. He sure will pick you on time no matter where you are staying. Its simply worth it.
I have been sharing and will continue to share his nos whenever asked for a recommended transport between Manila & AC.
Blanquiceleste
01-11-16, 17:07
Continued from Manila thread.
December 30 (Day 4: Wednesday).
Took Roy's great taxi service and reached AC just in time for the check-in. Now while Illusion's room was upgraded, I got screwed. I had clearly asked for a smoking room and they offered me a non-smoking room and apologized saying there was no smoking room currently available. To add insult to injury I was given Room # 414. Those who know the LGH will concur that this room is really at the back of beyond and can take a full 5 minute walk to just get to the lift. I was seething, but I had little choice. The pretty girl at the reception Jhovey said she would change the room for me the next day. I nodded and took the key card.
The good thing is that most of the hotel staff remembered me from the last lvisit and were very friendly and courteous.
My first job was to take my used clothes and get it to a laundry. There is one called Fields Laundry Service just up the road after ABC Hotel. The sweet aatey took my clothes and processed them and gave me a receipt for 173 P (roughly SGD 6). Now back home in Singapore this would have cost me at least SGD 50. What a country!
Next I joined Illusion at Ponytail. 1 drink was enough to get out of there. My fears of AC having no quality & no quantity were resurfacing. Soon we were back at the hotel for a nap and then we hit Walking Street by 8:00 pm. Illusion has provided an excellent coverage of all the bars we visited, I may have done 1 or 2 less and then 1 or 2 more over the next 4 days. The ones I covered in addition to what is already mentioned were Camelot & Lune Time. I did not venture out to Afterskool & Roadies, as I was busy in my room at that time. So I will cut to the chase on my picks over the next 4 days.
I got my girl Caren at Kings Landing. 24 yo, 1 kid, superbly maintained body, not an ounce of fat anywhere except for the right places. Great firm boobs and pert ass. I was amazed at this girl's body. She came up on stage in the 2nd rotation and our eyes met. I knew this was the one I wanted. Barfine of 2400 P + 2 drinks for mme + 1 LD each for the mamasan and Caren.
Back in the room, Caren was near perfect GF material. Spoke less and did more. Very accommodative and cooperative. Tried everything I wanted to. She even lit up a smoke for me after we were finished with the first round. As I lay spent, she got a wet towel and cleaned me up. I was quite tired from the day before and the travel so I decided to sleep early for a change. I was asleep by 1 am.
I woke at 8:00 am and I saw Caren was up and about in the bathroom. I went and joined her in the shower for some real steamy shower sex.
We came back and lay on bed for a while and cuddled and talked. She was now opening up and she shared a lot about herself, her family and her kid, her ex-boyfriend who got her pregnant and then dumped her. It is quite painful to hear these stories of despair but then I have now heard so many that it fails to make any deep impact. I knew it was time to send her off. By now it was 11:00 am and I saw a text from Illusion about wanting to visit the Perimeter bars that open by noon. So I tipped this lovely girl 500 P and sent her away with a big new year wish. She was delighted and asked me to pick her again the following night. I nodded and sent her on her way.
Overall experience: 8/10. Maybe a repeat too.
December 31 (Day 5: Thursday).
After Caren left I called Illusion and we headed to Kokomos for our meal. I called for my favorite eggs benedict and coffee. Terrible food. Something has changed at this place and I don't like it.
We then headed to the bars on Perimeter Road. We went into the below mentioned bars:
After scouting a few bars I found this real cute spinner at Candy's. Juliet was only 18 yo and had started working only a month ago, had been barfined only twice, both by Kimchi boys. The first one apparently took her cherry for 20,000 P. Wonder how much she got to keep of that money. She admitted she was a bit scared that I might hurt her, but she gamely agreed upon the coaxing from Illusion's girl. 1500 P barfine, how bad can it be? Very bad as I found out.
Back in the room by 3:30 pm things started well with some kissing and fondling. This girl had a lovely taut body and I was getting really hard. But when she set her eyes on my tool she turned pale and started shaking. She was visibly terrified. Now I am not exactly hung like Tarzan but I can hold my own in a pissing contest. Now I took pity on this poor girl, fresh off the farm and told her to give me a good blowjob. Which she tried in all earnest but she simply did not have the experience or the skill. She used both her hands to move up and down the shaft while she really only kissed and licked and half-mouther the head. Maybe the whole thing went into her buccal cavity a few times but it came out fast. No real sucking. I lost interest and told her to stop and get going. Gave her a 100 P tip and sent her packing.
Overall experience: 4/10 only because she had a really nice body.
Thankfully, to keep my mind occupied away from this disaster, I got a call from the hotel reception about my room change. They had upgraded me to a bigger room on a smoking floor. Small pleasures, well received. But still a long walk from the lift. Now by the time I moved rooms and got myself set up in the new room it was almost 6:30 pm. Time to shower and hit the bars on Walking Street. Illusion wanted to be early in picking a girl, so that we could spend the New Year back in the hotel with company, away from the maddening crowds. Kids on the street were boisterous and reckless with their firecrackers. I agreed, I wanted to take no chances.
After a couple of bars on Walking Street I had a brainwave. In my last visit I had met a firecracker at Angelwitch and I wondered if she would be around. If so, I was prepared to barfine her without much thought. So I spilt to Angelwitch and called for a beer and started scanning the place for Maria Fe. Actually she found me after 20 minutes when she came up on stage. She had changed her hair style and her make up made her look very different. She waved to me from the stage and I waved back in a circumspect manner, thinking who this could be. After a while she came down and sat next to me. That is when I recognized her. The moment of connection was intense. We started kissing and making out right there in the bar. 3000 P barfine + 2 drinks for me + 2 LD for Maria Fe. In the meantime Illusion had also done well for himself. We set off to the hotel by 10:30 pm. Rather early, but that was the plan.
Illusion called us over to his room to partake in the new year celebration. I thought it would be a great idea to get the girls into the mood. But as things would turn out, both girls got knocked out after half a dozen tequila shots. Of course by then the calendar had changed over to 2016 and fireworks had gone off and I was horny. So I suggested to Illusion to go back to Walking Steert for some more fun. We left the girls in Illusion's room and headed out. Bad decision, most bars were empty or shutting down. We returned in an hour and decided to go to bed and address matters in the morning.
So I took my girl Maria Fe with me to my room and put her to bed and also slept myself. Come morning by 10 am as I woke Maria Fe also was stirring. I put my arm around her and hugged her. She responded well with a kiss and started playing with my chest and nipples. What followed was sweet love. The passion and hunger in doing someone you have been thinking about for a while is simply out of this world. Maria Fe was equally turned on and we both matched move for move and our bodies moved in rhythm. Finally I exploded inside her and lay coiled after for a long time. This! I did not want to go anywhere, neither did Maria Fe. I saw Illusion's text about heading towards Friendship Terminal to check out bars there. I politely declined and went back to cuddling Maria Fe which was followed by another round of great sex. I love to watch Maria move when she is riding me reverse cowgirl and cowgirl. I finished in that position. I finally let her go only by 3:00 pm, as she had to start work by 6:00 pm. I gave her a big 500 P tip and she was smiling & shining like a star atop a Christmas tree.
Overall experience: 8. 5/10.
January 1 (Day 6: Friday).
Illusion and I headed to Bierkueche Snack House by 4:00 pm near Josephville Sub-division 1. Great beers, rock bottom prices and fantastic German food. Tried every beer brew available and ate like hogs. We walked back to the Hotel to burn off some of the ingested food. Highly recommended.
After a short while we hit the bars again on Walking Street. This time I picked a cute girl named Samantha from Shipwrecked. 2400 P barfine + 1 drink for me + 1 drink for Samantha. I went back to the hotel to start my business with Samantha, while Illusion was still hunting for his quarry.
Back in the room Samantha had everything going right for her. Started with a nice deep kiss all the way in, followed by an excellent BBBJ. Then I started to kiss and fondle her boobs. After that things went sour as I moved down south from her boobs. Smelly pussy. I was turned off. So I got the condom on banged her mercilessly in missionary and doggy, finished up and asked her to leave. She could not understand what happened. But then with a tip of 200 P she did not stick around long to satisfy her curiosity.
Overall experience: 6. 5/10.
Here is where I think I screwed Illusion's plans a bit by calling him. I should have headed back to Walking Street on my own as it was still only 1 am. Illusion, being the dude that he is, let go of his girl and joined me on the hunt at WS. I went straight to King's Landing and picked my girl Caren. 2400 P barfine + 1 drink for me. Illusion looked around a bit but could not find anyone else. Disappointment for him.
Needless to say, the rest of my night went very well with Caren. I asked her to stay for lunch. She agreed.
January 2 (Day 7: Saturday).
We went to Nepo Quad, to visit Bif's Smoke and Grill. Now I am a burger guy and I can easily say this was among the best ever burgers I have eaten. The baby back ribs were also stupendous. My girl Caren tucked into a junior burger too. More points for her. I love a girl who can eat a messy burger and not be bothered about her fingernails.
We returned to the hotel by 3:00 pm and I sent Caren away after much hugging and kissing. What a sweet girl. Certainly worth keeping in touch with.
After lazing for some time we went to Perimeter Road around 4. 30 pm:
After visiting a rash of bars starting with Patches, we settled in at Firepit where I picked a cute farm girl named Amy. 1500 P barfine. Took her back and went straight for a shower as I was feeling quite hot and sweaty from the walk. After I showered and got out Amy wen tfor her shower. I sat down outside in the balcony and enjoyed a smoke. Amy soon joined my in the balcony. I soon found out this was no shy farm girl. She dropped to her knees quickly and gave me an expert BBBJ right there in the balcony. We only had our bathrobes for modesty. After a thorough blowjob that lasted well over 25 minutes I staggered back into the room with Amy and bent her over the writing table for a good pounding from behind. She loved every bit of it as she kept squealing and moaning and beckoning the Lord. The act moved to the bed in missionary and then I finished with her on top. I let her go after that by 7:30 pm with a 200 P tip. She was gleaming as she left.
Overall experience: 8/10.
Last night in Angeles, so I called Illusion and soon we were at the bars on Walking Street by 9:00 pm. Illusion looked really happy this time around and I knew he had spent some good time with his girl from Firepit. Highly recommended bar.
Back to Walking Street, I had my first rejection in AC at Viking, where the girl said she did not feel too well. Why the fuck was she on stage then?
After a few more bars we finally landed up at Club Ra. This was previously named the Grand Pharaoh and recommended by several members on ISG. I went in only because the cute door girl Maila called out to me. I immediately knew I wanted this gem. An ass to die for, I took Maila with me upstairs for a drink and started talking to her as the other girls strutted their stuff on stage. Then came the "show". Energetic girls gyrating to fast paced music. Pure eye candy. And then I saw something I had only seen East Asians do before. A couple of black guys went up on the balcony level and made it rain in cash. There was major excitement all around. I would say the blokes blew around 5000 P. Chump change for them I guess, going by the heavy gold chains around their necks and fat rings on every finger of their hands.
Now the collection was excellent at Club Ra with more than 20 girls on stage for each rotation.
After a couple drinks for me and Maila she agreed to come with me. 3000 P barfine.
We settled the tab and were back to Hotel. We had couple of drinks and ordered some room service as all of us were quite hungry. So we spilt at 1 am. I went back to my room and showered with Maila and got her ample bosom and delicious ass into my hands. I decided I will do this girl exclusively in doggy style. One round right after the shower and the second round in the morning.
January 3 (Day 8: Sunday).
Maila was a sweet girl. She helped me pack my baggage as I had to check out by noon for my trip back to Manila. Roy was there on time to take us to NAIA. Smooth flight and back in Singapore at 9:40 pm. End of the winter break.
In summary, the fears regarding the quality and quantity of girls in Angeles were partly true. Someone spending a load of money and flying in from the US should think about this and plan accordingly. A week will not give you return on your investment. But stay longer and you will go insane, as there is nothing to do in AC after the first few days. The food continues to be the worst in the SEA region, although the tiny restaurants we visited were absolute delights. Pinay logic continues to baffle me. Pinay pussy continues to enthrall me.
I will definitely return soon. Thanks for reading.
Soldierb11
01-11-16, 19:18
Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.
AC does seem to have slipped a little to me in talent during my last visit in October 2015 and there is also some decline overall in the girl's attitudes but there are still plenty of attractive girls that will stay all night and into the afternoon if they are having a good time with you. Yes there isn't much to do during the day and nighttime to for that matter besides the gogos. But AC is still a very good place to monger in. Intra-Asia airfare is normally pretty cheap my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.
Thanks GE for spending the time to read them. Really appreciate it.
Roy is an absolute gentleman. We were very impressed with his punctuality, patience and driving skills. Extremely safe and efficient. I would always recommend to avail his services if two or more people are travelling between Manila and AC. He sure will pick you on time no matter where you are staying. Its simply worth it.
I have been sharing and will continue to share his nos whenever asked for a recommended transport between Manila & AC.Great reports. More of these is what the forum really should have. Agree that AC can be both challenging and enthralling and that is what makes it special. Was there in October and visited most of the places mentioned. Fire pit was great as was Ra. The girls come in all shapes and sizes and finding one to your taste is not that hard. I will be there again around the 24th of Jan and look forward to checking out some of the other places mentioned. Thanks again for the reports.
Member #4387
01-12-16, 07:46
I'm afraid Norway ain't no rich country anymore with $30 oil. If this continues Skogis may have to start shopping for value beaver along with the Aussies.Hehe, A lot of my money is invested in swiss franc (that's turned out well as it used to be around 4 nok for swiss franc but now its around 9 nok for a single swiss franc). So I will hang in there quite some time Is the aussies known for beeing particulare cheap? Then its the same, only for fun, we have aginst the swedish people.
IllusionHeart
01-12-16, 18:22
Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.
my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.Thank you Soldier, appreciate you reading the FR. Regarding visiting AC as a standalone destination IMHO as they say "Do whatever floats your boat".
Great reports. More of these is what the forum really should have. Thanks again for the reports.Always welcome Axiata. Hope you have a great time in your trip. Be safe and happy Mongering.
Blanquiceleste
01-13-16, 00:51
Big thanks to both Blanquicelese and Illusion for their recent trip reports it was nice to read a report instead of the normal debates and arguments.
AC does seem to have slipped a little to me in talent during my last visit in October 2015 and there is also some decline overall in the girl's attitudes but there are still plenty of attractive girls that will stay all night and into the afternoon if they are having a good time with you. Yes there isn't much to do during the day and nighttime to for that matter besides the gogos. But AC is still a very good place to monger in. Intra-Asia airfare is normally pretty cheap my suggestion for those flying half way around the world is to not just hit AC but combine it with Pattaya or Bangkok or Phuket or Vietnam or KL and make it a 2-3 week trip.Thanks Soldier for you kind words. You are correct about finding at least one bang for your buck every day in AC. Also, you are right about things to do, or rather the lack of it, while in AC. This is true for Manila as well. As for someone flying halfway around the world, IMHO 2 to 3 weeks also does not justify the costs. I would say plan a 2 month vacation and check out 3 countries in SEA. When you are on a longish kind of trip, you simply cannot expect to score every single night. You will run out of cash and energy soon.
There are some emerging models in SEA & North Asia, where agencies & independent operators offer "travel companions". Read some posts on the China thread for more information. If I were to plan such a visit I would pick Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia & Philippines. For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering. With the proliferation of the internet and dating sites & apps, one could even plan ahead by chatting up with literally hundreds of potential travel companions and narrowing it down to a select few in each country.
Wait a sec. I am rambling, I need my coffee. Cheers!
For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering.Living in this Part of Asia I totally agree about the "things to see". It should be mentioned though that the P4 P options, while generally available, are highly priced, for example in China. Taking out a standard girl from a bar in Shanghai or Beijing easily sets you back 150-200 USD. And that doesn't mean the quality is any better than your 40 USD girl some place in South East Asia. Many of us living in China or Korea have completely given up mongering here because of the value for money.
I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.
Cheers,
MD.
I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.
Cheers,
MD.You ought to clear your PM box. Here is my rough pm to you, that could not get through. Normally I do not post my rough PMs but here goes:
"Bar fine is determined by bar management.
Do not be optimistic about 'all night' , lots of Angeles girls leave after ST. If really likes you, stays LT.
Girl normally gets half of the BF and officially that is all she is entitled to. There is no other payment.
But 75% or more of guys give a tip, especially if she stays LT. Usually P200/500 tip. Up to you how much.
Girls who say LT but only stay ST get NO tip. She will have to be happy with her half of the bar fine. Regardless of her story she will most probably go back to the bar and try and get another bar fine. Makes more that way (promising LT but only doing ST with a story about "baby to be fed" bullshit story, LOL).
Better exchange rate in Phils too = sex can be cheaper in Phils.
History. With lots of police raids before (not now) some bars are worried that a new face / stranger could be working for cops. If you walk into a bar as stranger talk straight away about bar fine then they might be suspicious of you = say they do not bar fine.
On and on it goes, so much to pass on to a newbie, that will do for me. Goodbye"!
Salamat Po
01-13-16, 12:31
Hello folks,
I've spent a total of about a year living in Angeles City and stayed out of the bar scene until I broke up with a girlfriend and decided to venture out to Fields Avenue. I ended up going out nearly every night over a six month period. After a few months I began finding it very difficult to find a bar that offered that exciting, welcoming, entrance that I felt when I first started venturing the bars. I even started feeling like the bars knew who I was and would warn the girls that I wasn't a real visitor in Angeles.
The real purpose of my post is to propose an answer to all the negative articles I recently stumbled upon in a Google search. A small Angeles City news source cited an article from one of Harry The Horse's monthly posts. The article mentioned that there were huge 'wins' for some nameless (probably bogus) anti-trafficking group. The article quoted one of the reader's submissions to the effect of "Angeles bars are not what they used to be and are dying", and "The end of Fields Avenue". Other recent forum posts highlight lack of quality and action on the street.
I believe--but I could be wrong-- that these folks who are filling the internet with quality and quantity discrepancies are suffering from the same issue I had encountered after becoming too much of a known individual. Being a tourist in Angeles is much different than being a resident of Angeles City.
Salamat
Chocha Monger
01-13-16, 12:58
I was wondering why Aussies (and some Norwegians) fuck, fight and drink themselves to death in short order after arriving in the Philippines. At first, most of the blame was attributed to currency collapse due to a fall in commodity prices. Then the Antechinus was discovered in Australia raising the possibility that Aussie mongers are genetically programmed to fuck, fight and drink themselves to death.
Scientists from the Queensland University of Technology (QUT) in Australia have discovered two new species of antechinus. A genus of tiny carnivorous marsupials whose males are wiped out each spring after mating themselves to death.
The antechinuses have become famous for their strange sexual habits. Each year, all the males in the species go on a mating and fighting rampage, which only ends when they're dead.
"The breeding period is basically two to three weeks of speed-mating, with testosterone-fuelled males coupling with as many females as possible, for up to 14 hours at a time," lead researcher Andrew Baker explained in a press release. "Ultimately, the testosterone triggers a malfunction in the stress hormone shut-off switch; the resulting rise in stress hormones causes the males' immune systems to collapse and they all drop dead before the females give birth to a single baby."
http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-find-new-species-of-marsupial-that-mate-themselves-to-death
Like Aussies in AC, the antechinus is an endangered species. At a later date Brit behavior in Beaver Town will be analyzed using hog weed bonking beetles.
Blanquiceleste
01-13-16, 14:10
I have been away fro quite a while with the Philipines area, I wonder what I have read here is the usually for the bar, you pay Bar fine then that include the girls service for LT, just only give her tip after that? Because in Thailand the BF is just only for the bar to take the talent out but the so called service charge for the LT or ST is not inclusive. Furthermore, the different rate of BF is depend on each bar or depend on each girl within the same bar? How you differ between ST ro LT BF in this regard? Hope you guys enlightend me on this.
Cheers,
MD.As long as I can remember Angeles City bars always made you pay the Bar Fine at the bar, which included the lady's "fees". Tips, as always, continue to be optional. Earlier, one could be in and out of a bar with a girl without spending on a single drink, but that is pretty much over now. The minimum investment is a bottle of water for yourself and a drink for the lady you choose.
Now over the years due to raids, law enforcement, etc there are bars which do not accept the Bar Fine (which includes the lady's fees) at the bar. They tell you give it directly to the lady accompanying you. This was what I experienced at Angelwitch on my recent trip 2 weeks back.
The range in AC has always been lower prices at Perimeter Road (after Lewis Grand) and higher prices on Walking Street. Potentially, 2 reasons:
1. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars are perceived to be less pretty or hot as compared to their Walking Street sisters.
2. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars almost, always have to go back to their homes, or wherever they live by 10 pm or midnight. So it ends up being short time, so to speak.
I never got the logic. You pick a girl at 2 pm in the afternoon and let her go by 10 pm in the evening, you have spent 8 hours. Yet, this is considered short time. But you pick a girl from a club at 2 am in the morning and she has to go at 8 am next morning. That is only 6 hours, but it is still considered long time. Who the fuck thought about this concept? I would like a friendly word with him. 5555.
Bars on Perimeter usually have one single price for the bar fine, ranging from 1500 P (Candy's Night Moves, FirePit) upto 2500 P (Patches). Ponytails starts at 2500 P and has 2 categories of girls. Most of the bigger bars on Walking Street have 2 or sometimes 3 different categories for Bar Fine prices. These will usually be segregated as Door Girls / Waitresses, Stage Girls and Dancers. You might come across the ultra hot door girl who does not know her true worth. Read my report, you will see what I mean. Dancers command a premium simply because they appear sexier when they are dancing. I have never understood the logic.
Finally, ST or LT. Back in the day the concept of ST did not exist. It is a relatively new phenomenon in AC, possibly adopted from the Thailand business model.
P.S. - The Makati model is most lucrative. Bars like Bottoms on Burgos charge 3900 P as Bar Fine + 3000 P for the girl to stay till 7 am in the morning. Whoa!
Dark Knight1
01-13-16, 18:45
Angeles City—An American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.
The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.
Concerned.
Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.
Others thought he went hiding for reasons they could not say, the source said.
A material science engineer from California, Yakich came to Angeles City more than 10 years ago. He is said to be in his early 40's.
The United States Embassy in Manila, through its spokesperson, Kurt Hoyer, declined to comment on the case of Yakich, citing privacy concerns.
Yakich's relatives in the United States have informed the embassy of his case, the American source said.
Passport.
Police said Yakich's Filipino girlfriend is keeping his passport, indicating he has not left the Philippines.
The website 3Dprint.com's last post about the businessman was on Sept. 8, citing his use of 3 D printing for the hotel's expansion.
Yakich has not been involved in any criminal or civil case in Angeles City, police said. Tonette Orejas, Inquirer Central Luzon.
Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/753489/cops-clueless-on-american-hotel-owners-disappearance#ixzz3 x9 DKzy2's.
Blanquiceleste
01-14-16, 15:16
The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.
The hotel is a lovely property and I dread to think what would happen to it without the owner looking after daily affairs. Leave it to the locals, they will run it to the ground and bury it. Paradise lost!
Streetlooker
01-14-16, 21:30
Thanks Soldier for you kind words. You are correct about finding at least one bang for your buck every day in AC. Also, you are right about things to do, or rather the lack of it, while in AC. This is true for Manila as well. As for someone flying halfway around the world, IMHO 2 to 3 weeks also does not justify the costs. I would say plan a 2 month vacation and check out 3 countries in SEA. When you are on a longish kind of trip, you simply cannot expect to score every single night. You will run out of cash and energy soon.
There are some emerging models in SEA & North Asia, where agencies & independent operators offer "travel companions". Read some posts on the China thread for more information. If I were to plan such a visit I would pick Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia & Philippines. For a more seasoned traveller, I would suggest China, Taiwan, HKG & Macau. For the traveller seeking a higher quality experience I would suggest Korea & Japan with some more China thrown in. I think all these places offer good P4 P options and also "things to do during the day" while one is not mongering. With the proliferation of the internet and dating sites & apps, one could even plan ahead by chatting up with literally hundreds of potential travel companions and narrowing it down to a select few in each country.
Wait a sec. I am rambling, I need my coffee. Cheers!I read for years about Angeles cities reputation for having nothing to do besides the bars. Most will say that you can do much of what needs to be done in the city in 3-4 nights. I like to say that If your intentions are to party hard drink fuck and not sleep Then any party town (Las Vegas Bangkok Ect Ect) will beat you down after 3-4 days. What a long term stay in AC allows you to do is move at much slower pace.
AC is very centrally located to move about the island of Luzon in either direction 2 hrs and you will find almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes. The problem is a lot of people just stay in a 1 mile strip an don; t venture off fields. A long term stay allows you to also waste a few days looking for that special girl in the bars. No way you can fully hunt more then 4-6 bars a night so with 40 good bars to pick from at least you need at least 2 weeks to fully vent them all.
Don't underestimate the long term stay value.
Streetlooker
01-14-16, 21:42
As long as I can remember Angeles City bars always made you pay the Bar Fine at the bar, which included the lady's "fees". Tips, as always, continue to be optional. Earlier, one could be in and out of a bar with a girl without spending on a single drink, but that is pretty much over now. The minimum investment is a bottle of water for yourself and a drink for the lady you choose.
Now over the years due to raids, law enforcement, etc there are bars which do not accept the Bar Fine (which includes the lady's fees) at the bar. They tell you give it directly to the lady accompanying you. This was what I experienced at Angelwitch on my recent trip 2 weeks back.
The range in AC has always been lower prices at Perimeter Road (after Lewis Grand) and higher prices on Walking Street. Potentially, 2 reasons:
1. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars are perceived to be less pretty or hot as compared to their Walking Street sisters.
2. Girls from the Perimeter Road bars almost, always have to go back to their homes, or wherever they live by 10 pm or midnight. So it ends up being short time, so to speak.
I never got the logic. You pick a girl at 2 pm in the afternoon and let her go by 10 pm in the evening, you have spent 8 hours. Yet, this is considered short time. But you pick a girl from a club at 2 am in the morning and she has to go at 8 am next morning. That is only 6 hours, but it is still considered long time. Who the fuck thought about this concept? I would like a friendly word with him. 5555.
Bars on Perimeter usually have one single price for the bar fine, ranging from 1500 P (Candy's Night Moves, FirePit) upto 2500 P (Patches). Ponytails starts at 2500 P and has 2 categories of girls. Most of the bigger bars on Walking Street have 2 or sometimes 3 different categories for Bar Fine prices. These will usually be segregated as Door Girls / Waitresses, Stage Girls and Dancers. You might come across the ultra hot door girl who does not know her true worth. Read my report, you will see what I mean. Dancers command a premium simply because they appear sexier when they are dancing. I have never understood the logic.
Finally, ST or LT. Back in the day the concept of ST did not exist. It is a relatively new phenomenon in AC, possibly adopted from the Thailand business model.
P.S. - The Makati model is most lucrative. Bars like Bottoms on Burgos charge 3900 P as Bar Fine + 3000 P for the girl to stay till 7 am in the morning. Whoa!I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.
My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking gold
Blanquiceleste
01-15-16, 01:01
I read for years about Angeles cities reputation for having nothing to do besides the bars. Most will say that you can do much of what needs to be done in the city in 3-4 nights. I like to say that If your intentions are to party hard drink fuck and not sleep Then any party town (Las Vegas Bangkok Ect Ect) will beat you down after 3-4 days. What a long term stay in AC allows you to do is move at much slower pace.
AC is very centrally located to move about the island of Luzon in either direction 2 hrs and you will find almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes. The problem is a lot of people just stay in a 1 mile strip an don; t venture off fields. A long term stay allows you to also waste a few days looking for that special girl in the bars. No way you can fully hunt more then 4-6 bars a night so with 40 good bars to pick from at least you need at least 2 weeks to fully vent them all.
Don't underestimate the long term stay value.Streetlooker, what you state is indeed a very well-informed and knowledgeable point. Perhaps, as a long term resident, one comes to embrace the place and also has the time and motivation to explore what place has to offer. Surely, there is a reason why there are so many elderly men settled here in AC.
The point I was making was purely from a travel perspective. When someone is flying half the way around the world for a few weeks or even a couple of months, one would like to pack in as many things as possible in that trip. I am always amazed how fast time is spent while on holiday. And then once back home, time crawls till your next trip out. In that context, you will agree that having "things to do or see" makes a big difference in choosing a destination.
P.S. - I must look up information on what you said about "almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes" 5555.
Blanquiceleste
01-15-16, 01:09
I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.
My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking goldI don't know if its easier or harder to find LT on Perimeter v / s Fields. Its about the perception of what constitutes at LT. And I have to agree about finding a great girl on Perimeter. In a recent report IllusiionHeart shared about a couple of goldmines he found on perimeter. I found one too in that same trip.
Very true about the design of bars on Fields v / s Perimeter. Built for speed v / s built for comfort.
I have found LT much easier to obtain on perimeter then fields at a much better value. 2 pm pick ups LT gets you a longer long time for a much better price. Its also my observation that while the picking may be a bit thinner in a perimeter bar to find a good looker I have found pretty good talent there and they are a much better likelihood for GFE with them over the fields bar girls.
My advise is if you want ST go fields girls if you want LT go perimeter. The perimeter bars are run for expats and they are slower paced. Fields are for the party like a rock star mongers.
Agree on the hot door girl concept They are just has hot has any dancer in the bar a lot of the times they just don;t know it. Nothing better then unwrapping one of those presents and striking goldThe fun in LT is not the length of time together. It is sleeping together all night. Some girls are so horny or sometimes you are so horny, wake up each other to have sex. Of course morning woody is taken care of as well. One time I took a nice girl from one of the perimeter bars at about 2 pm. I usually wait till at least 9-10 pm. After we did the deed took a nap. Another round and we went for dinner and bar hopping. Came back to the room and had one more round. By this time we are tired of each other although the agreement was LT.
It is easier to take the girl at night and some stay till next afternoon.
NapaSlapper
01-15-16, 04:13
Short trip report, perimeter road and fields ave, 8th-9th January 2016.
Friday 8th was a daytime bar hop on perimeter road, 5 guys started near petron / candy bar and ended up at mirrors, taking in some 15 bars.
Candy bar, walked in, walked out,8 girls on stage, not worth even one drink, this pattern was the same for the first handful of bars.
Best bar out of all was mirrors by a long way, good air con, tasty food,15-18 girls on stage,good dance routines,1 girl cute if not stunner, very cold beer, good wait staff, stayed for 2 beers, called the cutie over, mary anne,20 from davao, she proceeded to sit close, hand on my thigh and big smile on her face, first thought, this could be promising, after some chat and giggles from her it was established that in fact mary anne was a cherry girl / virgin, damage only 1 lady drink but looked like I would be heading home alone.
To sum up perimeter bars and admittedly we did not enter all bars, out of 15 bars entered we had just the 1 beer in 6 bars,2 beers and food in mirrors, the rest we walked in and walked back out, girls numbers well down in all bars, some bars just 5-6 girls on stage, mostly older, chubby, some bars no customers at all.
Field avenue bar report to follow in next few days,dont worry i do finally get laid.
Salamat Po
01-15-16, 04:52
The hotel is a lovely property and I dread to think what would happen to it without the owner looking after daily affairs. Leave it to the locals, they will run it to the ground and bury it. Paradise lost!Blanquiceleste,
You're right, Lewis is a genius when it comes to running that hotel and I hope he returns soon. The other co-owners are excellent as well. Hopefully if he doesn't come back those folks can carry on in his legacy. It's sad to think about him being gone, he is such a great person, thoughtful and very selfless.
Streetlooker
01-15-16, 07:53
Streetlooker, what you state is indeed a very well-informed and knowledgeable point. Perhaps, as a long term resident, one comes to embrace the place and also has the time and motivation to explore what place has to offer. Surely, there is a reason why there are so many elderly men settled here in AC.
The point I was making was purely from a travel perspective. When someone is flying half the way around the world for a few weeks or even a couple of months, one would like to pack in as many things as possible in that trip. I am always amazed how fast time is spent while on holiday. And then once back home, time crawls till your next trip out. In that context, you will agree that having "things to do or see" makes a big difference in choosing a destination.
P.S. - I must look up information on what you said about "almost any activity a human has ever come up with for entertainment purposes" 5555.List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.
1. 24 HR go go bar.
2. movie at the mall.
3. casino gambling.
4. hike up a volcano.
5. Go to the Zoo.
6 ride go carts.
7. shop at the open market.
8 swim in hotel pool.
9. go to dinosaur park.
10 sleep in with your honey ko.
11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.
12 Play poker at the international pub.
13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).
14. Jet ski
15 kick it on the beach
Streetlooker
01-15-16, 08:03
The fun in LT is not the length of time together. It is sleeping together all night. Some girls are so horny or sometimes you are so horny, wake up each other to have sex. Of course morning woody is taken care of as well. One time I took a nice girl from one of the perimeter bars at about 2 pm. I usually wait till at least 9-10 pm. After we did the deed took a nap. Another round and we went for dinner and bar hopping. Came back to the room and had one more round. By this time we are tired of each other although the agreement was LT.
It is easier to take the girl at night and some stay till next afternoon.Girls from the perimeter bars will sleep all night till the next day with you. Take them at 3 in the afternoon send them back opening of the bar the next day most likely about 2 the next day do it all the time. Of course you must agree to terms beforehand.
Streetlooker
01-15-16, 08:11
Short trip report, perimeter road and fields ave, 8th-9th January 2016.
Friday 8th was a daytime bar hop on perimeter road, 5 guys started near petron / candy bar and ended up at mirrors, taking in some 15 bars.
Candy bar, walked in, walked out,8 girls on stage, not worth even one drink, this pattern was the same for the first handful of bars.
Best bar out of all was mirrors by a long way, good air con, tasty food,15-18 girls on stage,good dance routines,1 girl cute if not stunner, very cold beer, good wait staff, stayed for 2 beers, called the cutie over, mary anne,20 from davao, she proceeded to sit close, hand on my thigh and big smile on her face, first thought, this could be promising, after some chat and giggles from her it was established that in fact mary anne was a cherry girl / virgin, damage only 1 lady drink but looked like I would be heading home alone.
To sum up perimeter bars and admittedly we did not enter all bars, out of 15 bars entered we had just the 1 beer in 6 bars,2 beers and food in mirrors, the rest we walked in and walked back out, girls numbers well down in all bars, some bars just 5-6 girls on stage, mostly older, chubby, some bars no customers at all.
Field avenue bar report to follow in next few days,dont worry i do finally get laid.I absolutely can not stand when I pick a girl out of all the girls on stage and she is cherry. I am picking them cause I want to fuck them Huge disappointment when I find out I can't. Kills my mood on going back to that bar again for that trip also.
Chris Long
01-15-16, 10:04
Angeles CityAn American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.
The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.
Concerned.
Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.
Others thought he went hiding for reasons they could not say, the source said.
A material science engineer from California, Yakich came to Angeles City more than 10 years ago. He is said to be in his early 40's..He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.
Chris
Blanquiceleste
01-15-16, 11:22
I absolutely can not stand when I pick a girl out of all the girls on stage and she is cherry. I am picking them cause I want to fuck them Huge disappointment when I find out I can't. Kills my mood on going back to that bar again for that trip also.In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.
Blanquiceleste
01-15-16, 11:24
Girls from the perimeter bars will sleep all night till the next day with you. Take them at 3 in the afternoon send them back opening of the bar the next day most likely about 2 the next day do it all the time. Of course you must agree to terms beforehand.Could be my luck or my negotiation skills. I have never been able to get a Perimeter Road girl to stay over night. Each one of them had one reason or the other to go home or wherever they were headed to latest by midnight. Cinderellas all of them! Then again I have never paid a bar fine + tip of more than 1800P for any of these girls.
List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.
15 kick it on the beachMore info please. A real beach or the ABC?
Depends on the girl (as always). What a whiner, the guy who buys drinks for virgins. I absolutely adore those few minutes with the so-called virgin. If she is or isn't, what business it is of ours?
NapaSlapper
01-15-16, 14:03
In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.With all due respect you are totally wrong in your claims.
Many asians and especially koreans barfine cherry girls because they want to show off in front of their friends, be seen in the clubs, bars, out to dinner with an attractive girl, lets face it, although I do not think cherry girls should be in bars period they do happen to be the most attractive, younger, slimmer girls of most bargirls.
A very good friend of mine and a well known angeles bar owner repeats constantly on angeles based boards that cherry girls are some of the highest earning girls he employs, many guys like them, I have seen many asians barfine cherry girls over the years.
mary anne of mirrors offered to give a blow job and let me suck her pussy if I wanted to barfine her but I was not interested, both the mummy and the bar owner confirmed that mary anne was in fact cherry but is popular and goes out on barfines, not surprised, she was the only girl we saw on perimeter that was slim / young and cute.
Hello guys,
I am a complete newbie to "mongering" (I guess it means sex tourism) and I am trying to obtain all the possible information before going somewhere. You guys on these forums are a real help and I have been reading forums and trying to obtain any kind of information as much as I can, but I have finally decided to post my first message and ask you guys for some detailed help. I have chosen Philippines to be my first destination, as far as I understand there are really only 2 cities worth exploring (unless I have missed something) - Angeles city and Manila, very confused on which is better for some very sexy week. Could anyone here give a detailed guide for a total newbie on where, when to go and how do you proceeded with everything, literally what is the best option after you have check in into the hotel, where can you go, when can you go and how exactly do you proceed after you have spotted the girl you like till banging her in your hotel room.
Thank you guys in advance.
Streetlooker
01-15-16, 20:30
In several cases, the virgin cock block is simply an easy way of refusing to shag a customer. Read IllusionHeart's report about a hottie in Champagne. We saw her go out with a Korean gent one night and the next night she says she is a cherry girl. On the third night the waitresses concurs that she (the girl in question) is a cherry girl. WTF! I don't think she went to play poker with the Korean.The Koreans monger in a totally different way then we do. Cherry girls will go out with you but its for barhopping only they might even say with you overnight just no sex. I hate the cherry girls your either game or you should not be in the bar however like the napaslapper post below this they are interested in making a impression with their peers more then they are interested in sex with the girl They seem to have no problems with the sleep only concept of the deal It is the ego boost that they go for.
Streetlooker
01-15-16, 20:44
He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.
ChrisIf this is to be the case this is truly sad news for the mongering world.
Soldierb11
01-15-16, 21:47
These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year.
ChrisI am not arguing with you Chris since I don't know who your sources are but I find this very hard to believe. The gogo bars are like cockroaches they won't go away. For those that don't remember or forgot this was said emphatically back when Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay Naval Station were closed. Clark was at the time the largest Air Force base in the world. We are talking thousands of young men ten minutes away with nothing on there mind except fucking and plenty of pesos to do it with. Closing the base was supposed to be the end of AC and its seedier side. The government was going to clean up AC and the loss of 5000+ horny young clients would ruin any bar trying to hold on.
20+ years later the gogo haven't disappeared at all but been replaced with new ones. So I highly doubt AC will be without gogo bars 12 months from now. I'm not trying to bust your balls but I just don't see this prediction coming true and god knows I certainly hope it does not.
BeachBoy46
01-15-16, 23:42
He sleeps with the fishes. The new powers are taking over and he did not want to cooperate. These same powers tell me the gogos will be gone within a year. The construction site right before you enter fields was to have been a new gogo bar but the new powers did not want it. Look for a Starbucks opening on that site soon.
ChrisThat site is big enough for a dozen Starbucks. Angeles is the worlds biggest Brothel and will soon be the worlds biggest Starbucks. WOW. Just thinking. If the GoGos are gone, who will be drinking coffee at SuperStarbucks. ? Hrrmm.
LifeIsABeach
01-16-16, 02:44
I just spent over a week with some higher ups connected politicians back in November. The politicians do not make much money from their salaries but every other sources. They will not allow the hand (s) that feed them to be cut. If money is to be made of go-go, strip bars, they will not close them but may relocate. There is money in prostitution and officially they may say all the right things especially near elections but will continue to keep the back door open. City officials, Barangay chiefs, police need the money. If there is a Starbucks project, there is money to be made as the politicians get a cut of the project and the strip bars will relocate.
List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.
1. 24 HR go go bar.
2. movie at the mall.
3. casino gambling.
4. hike up a volcano.
5. Go to the Zoo.
6 ride go carts.
7. shop at the open market.
8 swim in hotel pool.
9. go to dinosaur park.
10 sleep in with your honey ko.
11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.
12 Play poker at the international pub.
13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).
14. Jet ski
15 kick it on the beachI would love a few recommendations of spas for massages, happy ending optional. However, real shower massages or good body to body massages would be awesome.
Blanquiceleste
01-16-16, 08:21
Hello guys,
I am a complete newbie to "mongering" (I guess it means sex tourism) and I am trying to obtain all the possible information before going somewhere. You guys on these forums are a real help and I have been reading forums and trying to obtain any kind of information as much as I can, but I have finally decided to post my first message and ask you guys for some detailed help. I have chosen Philippines to be my first destination, as far as I understand there are really only 2 cities worth exploring (unless I have missed something) - Angeles city and Manila, very confused on which is better for some very sexy week. Could anyone here give a detailed guide for a total newbie on where, when to go and how do you proceeded with everything, literally what is the best option after you have check in into the hotel, where can you go, when can you go and how exactly do you proceed after you have spotted the girl you like till banging her in your hotel room.
Thank you guys in advance.You have chosen your destination well. All you need to do is to read a dozen posts in the Report of Distinction (ROD) thread and you will start to get a general idea about places to go to and prices to pay. Almost all hotels in Metro Manila (comprised of several districts) and every single hotel in Angeles City is girl friendly, that means you book for 2 persons and you check in alone, but you can bring back a visitor to your room at any time. Some hotels will maintain a register to record details of the girl with you for security purposes. Don't object, this is for your safety. A look up at the hotels thread will give you a sense of comparison on hotel locations, amenities, quality of services, tariff, etc.
There are two fundamental models (freeelancers and bar girls)
Manila Freelancers can be found in the world famous LA Cafe / Malls / Havana and few others. In Angeles they are usually on the street or in malls. The internet is another great source for freelancers. Again the ROD posts will come to your rescue on which cafes / bars entertain freelancers.
Bar girls can be found inside bars. There are primarily Go Go bars, while there are a couple of alternate designs. Don't tlet this distract you. Inside a bar all girls are fair game, unless you are specifically advised otherwise with waitresses or the mamasan (female pimp). Modus Operandi is fairly simple. If you spot a girl that you like, either call her over directly to join you for a drink or ask the waitress to call her over. Once she with you, exchange pleasantries and offer to buy her a drink. This will allow you to spend some time with her to get to know her a bit better. These girls have seen it all, so don't be shy in asking questions. Make sure you tell her about what you are looking for and make sure she understands and agrees to provide those services. If the girl is in agreement ask her if she is OK to be barfined right away. Now barfine practices vary a lot, so read up again. If in doubt, ask the mamasan or the waitress. Buying them a drink is optional but is advisable for a newbie. Helps people relax all around. Once the transaction has been agreed on, the girl you picked will ask you to let her go change into street clothes. Sometimes this change process can take inordinately long and you may wonder if the bird has flown the coup. Relax, she will return, there is money at stake.
Once out of the club ask your girl to find you a taxi to get back to your hotel. Do not try to walk it up, unless the gotel is right across the street (like the Best Western) on Burgos. Walking on streets is not safe entirely. Insist on the taxi driver plying on metered charges. If he refuses, simply take another taxi, do not argue.
Once back in the room it helps to have a drink and talk a while. Follow it up with a shower. Depending on the chemistry you could shower together. Do not be shy to ask if you can join her. Remember, you are in charge. But do not force the girl, do not be an asshole. Usually the shower will heat up things between you two and you should be able to take it from there. After that I am sure you don't need much guidance.
Remember this. Everyone goes with a plan but those plans fail sometimes. Do not take anything personally, do not let it hurt your ego, do not let it spoil your entire evening, do not let it throw you off balance. Stay calm, stay pleasant, sport a smile, look clean, dress well, smell good and behave confidently. You will have a good time.
Chris Long
01-16-16, 08:23
I am not arguing with you Chris since I don't know who your sources are but I find this very hard to believe. The gogo bars are like cockroaches they won't go away. For those that don't remember or forgot this was said emphatically back when Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay Naval Station were closed. Clark was at the time the largest Air Force base in the world. We are talking thousands of young men ten minutes away with nothing on there mind except fucking and plenty of pesos to do it with. Closing the base was supposed to be the end of AC and its seedier side. The government was going to clean up AC and the loss of 5000+ horny young clients would ruin any bar trying to hold on.
20+ years later the gogo haven't disappeared at all but been replaced with new ones. So I highly doubt AC will be without gogo bars 12 months from now. I'm not trying to bust your balls but I just don't see this prediction coming true and god knows I certainly hope it does not.Right now there is a turf war going on over Angeles, you and I and the people on this board don't notice it and it does not affect us. However for certain people Angels is a very dangerous place right now. The Koreans are lining up with the local Philippine "Wise Guys" and in Angeles the "Wise Guys" and the political elite often share the same dinner table at night as well as the same last name. The native aristocracy does not like the image or the openness that Angeles is and would like to see it changed into a more subtle form something the Koreans say they can offer.
Lewis was dirty he was heavily involved in the drug trade mostly in and out of China which made him very rich he also had a serious sweet tooth for the candy. This however, is not why he was waked. There is a turf war going on and certain forces want to take things over and change its image and he was in the way. There is another owner who is in their cross hairs but does not know it yet. He will have to roll over play ball or meet the same. Personally I would not bet on his "Doll House".
The truth about Angeles at the upper levels where the real money is made makes Vegas and the Mob look like Sunday School, its a Tuff, Tuff, world in Angeles and the stakes are high.
Chris
Snow Koala
01-16-16, 08:24
Guys,
I was in High Society on Tuesday night and I saw 2 gays trying to steal bags of the girls I was with. I confronted one and.
Pushed him away telling him to f-off. The girls were quite upset as well and were telling him something similar in Tagalog.
A few minutes later the gay friend came over and punched me hard in the cheek (bruise is showing now). The bouncer grabbed.
Him and threw them both out. I didn't see whether the bouncer gave him a roughing up or not but the bouncer came and.
Talked to me later and then disappeared with a determined look on his face, so I can only hope. I expect they are banned.
From High Society but my friends told me they saw the gays in the walking street the next night in a gay gang.
I don't have a photo of these gays but can describe them so you can avoid them:
1. Height 5' 5" (165 cm) , Light Brown hair pointy hair, evil eye contact lenses and a mouth constantly running bullshit.
2. Height 5' 5" (165 cm) , Light Brown hair flat over hair, bigger that first guy, with batliff (star trek Klingon weapon) like tattoo.
On his upper left arm.
Normally gays are not allowed in High Society as they don't buy drinks and they cause trouble.
Snow.
Often when I call down the stunner, the mamasan warns me that she is cherry. Yep, disappointing, but I've alway purchased the drink. Often they have more conversation than some of the others. Get the digits.
Nevertheless, telling someone that they "are totally wrong" is, of course, totally wrong. I'm pretty sure that I've had at least one bogus virgin claim.
With all due respect you are totally wrong in your claims.
Many asians and especially koreans barfine cherry girls because they want to show off in front of their friends, be seen in the clubs, bars, out to dinner with an attractive girl, lets face it, although I do not think cherry girls should be in bars period they do happen to be the most attractive, younger, slimmer girls of most bargirls.
A very good friend of mine and a well known angeles bar owner repeats constantly on angeles based boards that cherry girls are some of the highest earning girls he employs, many guys like them, I have seen many asians barfine cherry girls over the years.
mary anne of mirrors offered to give a blow job and let me suck her pussy if I wanted to barfine her but I was not interested, both the mummy and the bar owner confirmed that mary anne was in fact cherry but is popular and goes out on barfines, not surprised, she was the only girl we saw on perimeter that was slim / young and cute.
The Koreans monger in a totally different way then we do. Cherry girls will go out with you but its for barhopping ... They seem to have no problems with the sleep only concept of the deal It is the ego boost that they go for.In some cases, the cherry girl deal is a scam, but indeed it is possible that a few, actually, are indeed virgins. I'm no expert, and the taste might be one to acquire, but I actually had a good bit of fun with a couple "cherry girls" a few years back. One, selected with the assistance of another girl (non-cherry), ended up to be quite enthusiastic in trying out her fellatio skills, and did some nice masturbation alongsideside as I plowed her newfound friend. Her English was nonexistent, but did report to the other girl the following morning that she rather enjoyed my DATY skills. A lovely ego boost.
Satisfied with that encounter, the following night I hired another "cherry girl", who simply could not get enough of being eaten out. My neck was sore for two weeks from the riding. The slippery side, rubbing her pussy vigorously agagainst my cock, and she pointed to her special spot requesting the cumshot there, was not out of bounds, either. As we bathed, she requested a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) (the first and only request for this service I've come across).
We remain good FB friends, and she's looking better than ever. I may well return to the Phils to see how she's graduated to bigger and better things.
The point being. Cherry girls. Go figure.
Addendum: a little spray of a different sort seems to be verboten here. whatevs!
Angeles CityAn American hotel owner here has been missing since Nov. 7 last year, and his business friends expressed fear he has been abducted or killed.
The search for Lewis Yakich, owner of Lewis Grand Hotel on Don Juico Avenue near the Clark free port, has not yielded any leads, according to Chief Insp. Derick Relativo, head of the police station in Angeles.
Concerned.
Some expatriates on Fields Avenue, the city's entertainment district, have expressed fear that he may have been abducted or killed, said a concerned American who contacted the Inquirer.
Thanks for the info. This explains why I did not see him on my last trip. I assumed he was just busy or away on vacation or something. His properties are always my first choice of stay. He always comes over to say Hi.
He sleeps with the fishes.
ChrisSadly, if there has been no ransom demands, etc. This is very possible.
Blanquiceleste,
You're right, Lewis is a genius when it comes to running that hotel and I hope he returns soon. The other co-owners are excellent as well. Hopefully if he doesn't come back those folks can carry on in his legacy. It's sad to think about him being gone, he is such a great person, thoughtful and very selfless.I believe he has very competent management team, some of them expats. When I arrived on my last trip he had been missing for at least a week according to the report and none of the staff alluded to the fact that anything was out of the ordinary.
List of things you can do in the daytime in Angeles city or subic bay.
1. 24 HR go go bar.
2. movie at the mall.
3. casino gambling.
4. hike up a volcano.
5. Go to the Zoo.
6 ride go carts.
7. shop at the open market.
8 swim in hotel pool.
9. go to dinosaur park.
10 sleep in with your honey ko.
11. Watch sports world wide at phillies sports bar.
12 Play poker at the international pub.
13. Get a 2 HR message (happy ending optional).
14. Jet ski
15 kick it on the beach16. Learn diving (subic only).
16. Learn diving (subic only).Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.
17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.
Salamat Po
01-17-16, 05:50
Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.
17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.18. Stop at Brettos and get one of the best sandwiches in the world.
Snow Koala
01-17-16, 07:59
16. Learn diving (subic only).17. Play golf (a few good courses around).
18. Water Park (like Fortuna).
19. Decawake Clark Cable Water Ski Park.
18. Stop at Brettos and get one of the best sandwiches in the world.Good sandwich but far far from best in the world!
Streetlooker
01-17-16, 20:57
Wtf! Adults need daily activity lists.
17. Lay in bed holding little Richard reminiscing last night.It just makes me wonder why people say there s nothing to do in the daytime in AC when there is lots to do actually.
NapaSlapper
01-18-16, 01:54
With all due respect sl, I have to disagree.
People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.
Most of your list of things to do are in subic not in angeles, scuba, water park, jet ski, visit beach, not only are they 1.5 hours by road outside of angeles they are all of very low quality when compared to nearby countries.
The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.
So lets get on to angeles itself.
Casino, cinema, small mall, that's about it for things to do outside of things that involve females and getting drunk, again these few things are small and of low quality when compared to nearby countries.
The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc.
Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years.
Now, don't get me started on the terrible restaurants / food and the bargirl want to be princesses.
As can be seen by the endless empty bars, hotel rooms, streets, most punters have skipped angeles the last few years altogether, too little quality pussy and too little to do may be the reason IMHO.
...............People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.
...........The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc. ............Correct, and yet we still keep coming back, for the time being at least. The Indians being kicked out of Thailand, now migrating to Phils, might add a new aspect to the AC game also. Although I came across a group of them in an AC bar not that long ago. They were from Malaysia. Mama-san and girls liked them, and said they are different to Indians from India itself. In the meantime lads, we will soldier on, until the bitter end, LOL.
The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.
When did you last visit Subic? Shopping has improved much with the new malls in Olongapo. Barrio Baretto has a laid back atmosphere and the muff diving is still allright. It's the 3rd world, man, and it will be for sometime. Thank god.
NapaSlapper
01-18-16, 02:43
When did you last visit Subic? Shopping has improved much with the new malls in Olongapo. Barrio Baretto has a laid back atmosphere and the muff diving is still allright. It's the 3rd world, man, and it will be for sometime. Thank god.Manila and cebu are 3rd world too but have large malls, world class diving (cebu) and many many activities / excursions to pass ones time.
All I am saying is that angeles and subic are tiny, dustly, shitholes with very little quality anything, by all means visit for some pussy but visit for things to do is a stretch of the immagination.
I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.
I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.To each their own. Personally I like Davao and Cebu is OK-ish, Manila gives me headaches!
You didn't answer my question when you visited Subic last. It has improved much. The SM Mall in AC has recently been expanded quite a lot, and I wouldn't call it a small mall anymore. Also the Marquee (Ayala) mall nearby is OK. What are you missing in those malls?
I lived in AC before the SM mall was opened. Way back then it was pretty much a dusty s-hole, I will agree to that.
NapaSlapper
01-18-16, 03:38
To each their own. Personally I like Davao and Cebu is OK-ish, Manila gives me headaches!
You didn't answer my question when you visited Subic last. It has improved much. The SM Mall in AC has recently been expanded quite a lot, and I wouldn't call it a small mall anymore. Also the Marquee (Ayala) mall nearby is OK. What are you missing in those malls?
I lived in AC before the SM mall was opened. Way back then it was pretty much a dusty s-hole, I will agree to that.PN, I already answered that I was in angeles and subic last week.
Comparing sm angeles or marquee to mall of asia (manila) ayala cebu or the brand new sm on cebu waterfront is black from white, I was in and out of sm angeles within 40 minutes and had walked everywhere and seen most shops of interest, mall of asia or ayala cebu are like small cities, one can spend days there and not see it all, on top of that the eye candy in the malls of manila / cebu is mind blowing, yes most are not working girls but great fun to sit and look, saw very little eye candy in sm angeles and even less in the whole of subic.
Yes you are right though that angeles and subic does now have some shopping,a cinema,i too was there before theses,but in all honesty walk 10 meters out from the mall and it is still that same old dusty,dangerous,shit hole it was all those years ago, in fact most things are far worse than back then,
Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.
Blanquiceleste
01-18-16, 05:25
Correct, and yet we still keep coming back, for the time being at least. Not too long back there was a post comparing AC to a bad marriage. You get abused, beaten, driven out of your home and all that, but when you start to itch you will go back to get it scratched. Because no one else will put up with your shit. LOL. I still love AC for what it is and I try to ignore what it isn't.
GoodEnough
01-18-16, 06:35
Manila and cebu are 3rd world too but have large malls, world class diving (cebu) and many many activities / excursions to pass ones time.
All I am saying is that angeles and subic are tiny, dustly, shitholes with very little quality anything, by all means visit for some pussy but visit for things to do is a stretch of the immagination.
I can spend weeks in cebu. Manila. Davao without getting bored at all,2-3 days in angeles or subic and I am bored to death and ready to move on.You know the old joke about why the Philippines is still a 3rd world country? Because no one has developed a 4th world category. Today, it took me 3 tries to call another cell phone in Manila from Davao, and we still could not hear each other clearly. I just upgraded my home Internet to a "blinding" 16 Mbps amd streaming from Netflix is still somewhat choppy. The point of all this is that in all important respects--physical infrastructure, corrupt, incompetent political system, education and IT infrastructure to name but a few--this is and will remain a third world country that will ultimately be eclipsed by almost every other country.
The differences between and among cities exist only along the edges. I like Davao, for example because it's safe, has some very good restaurants and is an easy place to live. This doesn't make it any less third worldly, but for me it makes it more livable. I like my bi-weekly visits to Makati because I can pretend for a few days twice a month that I'm in a real country, as long as I can ignore the endless congestion and the lack of any meaningful public transit. The challenge here is to find a place and a lifestyle that is suitable for you and inevitably that involves making some serious trade-offs.
To me, Angeles is a slum with crap food, marginal hotel accommodations (I always stay at ABC) and endless chances to get laid by young, fairly attractive women, and in the interim speaking to some fairly boring, often drunk and wholly uninteresting expats. Two days is about what I can tolerate. Others love the place, so I guess whatever it is they find there meets their needs.
Figure out what's best for you and recognize that what's good for you may not be a perfect solution for others.
GE.
Do movie theaters show movies in English? Do they have tagalog subtitles?
Yes you are right though that angeles and subic does now have some shopping,a cinema,i too was there before theses,but in all honesty walk 10 meters out from the mall and it is still that same old dusty,dangerous,shit hole it was all those years ago, in fact most things are far worse than back then,
Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.And I'm glad you found bliss in the megamalls of Manila, personally I'm not going to Phils for shopping.
For the record I do think AC is the a-hole of PH, but that's not because of the bad shopping. Dangerous YES (much more than most casual visitors can grasp). Boring? NO.
WorldTraveler3
01-18-16, 10:27
And I'm glad you found bliss in the megamalls of Manila, personally I'm not going to Phils for shopping.
For the record I do think AC is the a-hole of PH, but that's not because of the bad shopping. Dangerous YES (much more than most casual visitors can grasp). Boring? NO.I don't get.
Why people are complaining AC seems to be the norm for most mongering destination I've been very much like Sousa in Dr a block with clubs not much else beggars etc, doesn't bother me at all.
In fact I like AC better more things to do.
Streetlooker
01-18-16, 21:09
With all due respect sl, I have to disagree.
People, and I am one that claim there is very little to do in angeles are correct IMHO.
Most of your list of things to do are in subic not in angeles, scuba, water park, jet ski, visit beach, not only are they 1.5 hours by road outside of angeles they are all of very low quality when compared to nearby countries.
The beach at subic is a mud flat, the sea is filthy and the diving zero visibility, the shopping, infastructure and other high end activities are non existent.
So lets get on to angeles itself.
Casino, cinema, small mall, that's about it for things to do outside of things that involve females and getting drunk, again these few things are small and of low quality when compared to nearby countries.
The main problem for most people not wanting to venture out is the terrible air, pollution, filthy broken side walks, beggars everywhere, bad, expensive transport, personal safety of walking anywhere especially at night, pickpockets, card scam guys, totally corrupt police etc etc.
Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years.
Now, don't get me started on the terrible restaurants / food and the bargirl want to be princesses.
As can be seen by the endless empty bars, hotel rooms, streets, most punters have skipped angeles the last few years altogether, too little quality pussy and too little to do may be the reason IMHO.Just because Angeles cities daytime activities are not up to the standards of other places in the world does not mean you can not do them. Play golf, play basketball, work out, play tennis, swim in the pool, go to casino go to mall go to zoo plus many other things can be done in AC or near it. Is the casino big nope but you can still play black jack slots or poker. Is the golf course of PGA quality Nope but you can still play golf. Nothing to do in the daytime is your choice.
Mr Enternational
01-19-16, 00:55
Any ways, I am happy for you that you see and find things to do in angeles, subic, just bores the hell out of me, everyone is different I suppose.I am in the same boat as you. When my girlfriend took me to Subic in February I was like this place was a waste of a van ride. I am always amazed when posters give a glowing review of the place. I guess it is in the eye of the beerholder after all.
When people ask about AC I tell them eat, sleep, drink, and fuck. If you want anything else then you are going to the wrong place. After the first time I said I would never go back. Then I started catching that Tiger Air flight to Bangkok out of there, so the place kinda grew on me for very short trips. I have never spent more than 3 days there. Maybe I will shoot for 4 days in March.
You said it all with this 1 sentence: "Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years."
Soldierb11
01-19-16, 02:42
I don't get.
Why people are complaining AC seems to be the norm for most mongering destination I've been very much like Sousa in Dr a block with clubs not much else beggars etc, doesn't bother me at all.
In fact I like AC better more things to do.AC and Sosua are both shit holes. I do still enjoy AC and try to visit it at least once a year.
I don't agree though that most mongering destinations have the same lack of options as AC does. Some of the best mongering places on earth are among some of the most interesting and cosmopolitan cities of the world IE Rio, Bangkok and Cartagena.
NapaSlapper
01-19-16, 02:56
Just because Angeles cities daytime activities are not up to the standards of other places in the world does not mean you can not do them. Play golf, play basketball, work out, play tennis, swim in the pool, go to casino go to mall go to zoo plus many other things can be done in AC or near it. Is the casino big nope but you can still play black jack slots or poker. Is the golf course of PGA quality Nope but you can still play golf. Nothing to do in the daytime is your choice.Going by your logic sl I could also rent a 500 p a night room in angeles/subic,I don't get a hot water shower, I don't get air con, I don't get cable tv, I don't get free wifi, i dont get clean sheets, I don't get 24 HR security etc etc, I do still get a single matress on the floor,a squat toilet, a barrel of cold water and a cup to shower with,yes I can still sleep and clean my body in that 500p room just like i do at the Lewis grand but who wants to put up with those conditions.
Streetlooker
01-19-16, 06:08
Going by your logic sl I could also rent a 500 p a night room in angeles/subic,I don't get a hot water shower, I don't get air con, I don't get cable tv, I don't get free wifi, i dont get clean sheets, I don't get 24 HR security etc etc, I do still get a single matress on the floor,a squat toilet, a barrel of cold water and a cup to shower with,yes I can still sleep and clean my body in that 500p room just like i do at the Lewis grand but who wants to put up with those conditions.Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.
Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.You should know better than to question the more experienced and knowledgeable mongers. Hopefully your waving of the white flag is graciously accepted. Then we can move on to other board discussions regarding behaviors of Indians!
Fastpiston
01-19-16, 07:54
You know the old joke about why the Philippines is still a 3rd world country? Because no one has developed a 4th world category. Today, it took me 3 tries to call another cell phone in Manila from Davao, and we still could not hear each other clearly. I just upgraded my home Internet to a "blinding" 16 Mbps amd streaming from Netflix is still somewhat choppy. The point of all this is that in all important respects--physical infrastructure, corrupt, incompetent political system, education and IT infrastructure to name but a few--this is and will remain a third world country that will ultimately be eclipsed by almost every other country.
The differences between and among cities exist only along the edges. I like Davao, for example because it's safe, has some very good restaurants and is an easy place to live. This doesn't make it any less third worldly, but for me it makes it more livable. I like my bi-weekly visits to Makati because I can pretend for a few days twice a month that I'm in a real country, as long as I can ignore the endless congestion and the lack of any meaningful public transit. The challenge here is to find a place and a lifestyle that is suitable for you and inevitably that involves making some serious trade-offs.
To me, Angeles is a slum with crap food, marginal hotel accommodations (I always stay at ABC) and endless chances to get laid by young, fairly attractive women, and in the interim speaking to some fairly boring, often drunk and wholly uninteresting expats. Two days is about what I can tolerate. Others love the place, so I guess whatever it is they find there meets their needs.
Figure out what's best for you and recognize that what's good for you may not be a perfect solution for others.
GE.I totally agree with the overview of AC. Bottom line, it is a place for those with bottom budgets who are either addicted to cheap fast turnover sex or trying to be important and 'big time' on a shoe string budget. But I guess that is better than being taxed to death and frigid in a so called advanced country. Everyone has to set their own balance. I do however get great entertainment when losers start talking about love scams, true love with a bar girl, talking about marriage and believing the stories spun by the girls.
Errol Flynn
01-19-16, 08:27
You said it all with this 1 sentence: "Lets be honest here for one moment, take away the chance of some pussy and no one in their right mind would visit angeles or subic in a million years."Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission --should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).
You ought to clear your PM box. Here is my rough pm to you, that could not get through. Normally I do not post my rough PMs but here goes:
"Bar fine is determined by bar management.
Do not be optimistic about 'all night' , lots of Angeles girls leave after ST. If really likes you, stays LT.
Girl normally gets half of the BF and officially that is all she is entitled to. There is no other payment.
But 75% or more of guys give a tip, especially if she stays LT. Usually P200/500 tip. Up to you how much.
Girls who say LT but only stay ST get NO tip. She will have to be happy with her half of the bar fine. Regardless of her story she will most probably go back to the bar and try and get another bar fine. Makes more that way (promising LT but only doing ST with a story about "baby to be fed" bullshit story, LOL).
Better exchange rate in Phils too = sex can be cheaper in Phils.
History. With lots of police raids before (not now) some bars are worried that a new face / stranger could be working for cops. If you walk into a bar as stranger talk straight away about bar fine then they might be suspicious of you = say they do not bar fine.
On and on it goes, so much to pass on to a newbie, that will do for me. Goodbye"!Thanks my Friend for the info.
I never know my PM box was full not until you reminded me here. Will try to clear some of them after checking, as I nromally store some info for future use in that said mail box.
Very informative indeed specially for me a long time never been back to Philippine mongering areasd like AC. I am planning this year around April or may for a relaxing trip to RP and wish to stay wholly in AC as I want to find some nice time there. But I think base on your info, bar girls plays trick, same as in Bangkok that most girl don't. Want to stay LT as they wish to be back to the bar to gain more customers for the night. It is really hard to find nice gem in NEP in Bangkok for LT.
Hopefully to find some nice Filipina girls there and perhpas I can have them stay with me for the duration of my stay in the coming trip. Always wanting to find couple of nice and good performance talent but most of the time, it is just like hit and miss even in any where we go.
I will be researching a lot in this thread for my forthcoming trip to RP.
Cheers,
MD.
Snow Koala
01-19-16, 09:14
Do movie theatres show movies in English? Do they have tagalog subtitiles?Generally Philippine (Local) movies are in Tagalog and Foreign movies are in English.
Check out the SM Cinema guide here http://www.clickthecity.com/movies/theaters/sm-clark.
Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission -should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).For sure, Errol Flynn, never had to pay for pussy, LOL.
NapaSlapper
01-19-16, 09:44
You should know better than to question the more experienced and knowledgeable mongers. Hopefully your waving of the white flag is graciously accepted. Then we can move on to other board discussions regarding behaviors of Indians!DG, your wish is my command, lets move on.
Here's my take on Indians from India visiting thailand.
Generally Indians in every day life are non aggresive, pleasant people, who visit mostly pattaya in family groups for few days and have zero interest in the gogo bars.
Where Indians do let themselves down is when the small numbers of younger single males visit pattaya, these groups have every intention of going out drinking in the bars and trying to get laid from beach road to soi 6 or the gogo bars.
They are mostly low class, can't handle their drink and will try to barter for absolutely everything including pussy,5 guys all wanting to have turns in fucking the same 1000 baht beach road girl for 200 baht each or trying to get soi 6 girls to accept 500 baht instead of their standard 1000 baht.
Groups of guys entering a gogo bar and ordering one drink to share between them and wanting to fondle the girls for the price.
The bartering goes on just the same in the restaurants,5 guys enter, sit down, order 2 portions of fries and a coke,5 lots of cutlery and five straws, when finished sharing they want a 50% reduction on the bill.
Most thais want nothing to do with these type of mongers, girls refuse service, restaurants refuse service, most if not all gogos have barred them, but they just do not get the hint, the bartering mentality goes on regardless.
Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.
Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.
I have honestly not seen any Indians from India in angeles,i would take a guess and say travel between main land india and angeles is not straight forward and probably expensive.
Exactly. But some of us are looking for a place where 1) we can have some (great) pussy but 2) we can have some other fun, and 3) we can convince our friends / family / acquaintances we went on a cultural mission (my Mission --should I accept it-- is to determine the difference in sweetness between Pinay, Thai and Chinese poontang).Interesting conversations about AC and things to do compared to other places. Having traveled a lot throughout Asia over the years I can say that each major capital city or smaller ones have their goods and bads. Jakarta, Beijing, Shanghai, Manilla, Bangkok, KL, HCMC all have a lot more to offer but are more expensive and traffic can destroy your fun. Singapore is just ridiculous for P4P and too western for me. I spent a lot of time in China, especially around CP and it was a little like AC. Not a lot to do during the day, aside from spas and keeping your lady friends busy.
Recently tried the Phnom Penh, Vietiane and Yangon offerings. All are unique and although not large cities, they all have challenges around the volume of mongering places and what they offer. The women are great, but just not enough places and they are spread around anyway.
Let's face it, P4P is what we want when we travel. While AC is small and not the most attractive place in the world, the girls are what it is all about. So IMHO, AC offers a lot of girls, in a lot of bars and clubs, in a place that is easy to navigate, cheap to be in, and for the short time that we visit, pretty stress free. Most girls speak English as well. Air Asia, Tiger and Cebu Air make it easy to fly into and get out of if you get bored.
As an older guy I can think of nothing better than spending 4 days or more in the company of some very cute girls lying around a pool or drinking in bars. I can ski, watch movies, golf fish or whatever when I get back home. Why would I waste precious mongering time doing tourist things in places I want to monger in? In AC, the girls are much cheaper than the outrageous costs we have to put up with back home. Compare AC to having to pay $400 for 45 minutes of shit service back home. AC is fine for what it is and it is not everyone's taste. Then again, that is what makes the world what it is, we are all different.
Mongering is supposed to be fun. I know I enjoy it, even in 3rd world places!
Happy hunting.
JingleBells99
01-19-16, 13:21
Completely agree with you Napa. Being from the mainland, I have seen it and sometimes detest from going where a lots of these low class guys go unfortunately that meant bye bye to Thailand. Am a regular at AC and have been treated well there.
As you put it, the travel is not straight forward and a bit more pricey compared to Thailand.
DG, your wish is my command, lets move on.
Here's my take on Indians from India visiting thailand.
Generally Indians in every day life are non aggresive, pleasant people, who visit mostly pattaya in family groups for few days and have zero interest in the gogo bars.
Where Indians do let themselves down is when the small numbers of younger single males visit pattaya, these groups have every intention of going out drinking in the bars and trying to get laid from beach road to soi 6 or the gogo bars.
They are mostly low class, can't handle their drink and will try to barter for absolutely everything including pussy,5 guys all wanting to have turns in fucking the same 1000 baht beach road girl for 200 baht each or trying to get soi 6 girls to accept 500 baht instead of their standard 1000 baht.
Groups of guys entering a gogo bar and ordering one drink to share between them and wanting to fondle the girls for the price.
The bartering goes on just the same in the restaurants,5 guys enter, sit down, order 2 portions of fries and a coke,5 lots of cutlery and five straws, when finished sharing they want a 50% reduction on the bill.
Most thais want nothing to do with these type of mongers, girls refuse service, restaurants refuse service, most if not all gogos have barred them, but they just do not get the hint, the bartering mentality goes on regardless.
Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.
Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.
I have honestly not seen any Indians from India in angeles,i would take a guess and say travel between main land india and angeles is not straight forward and probably expensive.
Fastpiston
01-19-16, 17:30
AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.
Mr Enternational
01-19-16, 18:35
I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.Why feel sorry for them? With all the stories floating around they should know better. And if you would not marry a prostitute back home then why would you go overseas where the territory and culture and language is less familiar to you and do it? I guess they think the same as many on this board: Well they only do it for food, mother's medicine, to buy a new cow, to pay for school, or to fix the roof. The truth is that there are millions of other people who need these same things with no money to get them, but they do not go out and prostitute themselves.
Soldierb11
01-19-16, 19:20
As you put it, the travel is not straight forward and a bit more pricey compared to Thailand.Huh? How is Angeles more pricey and more complicated than Thailand?
Two examples from 3 months ago where I took one of the hotter gogo dancers in both Thailand and Philippines. Not comparing a Soi 6 girl with a top gogo; and not comparing a girl pulled from a Perimeter bar in AC vs. A top gogo. Top gogo vs top gogo.
I am in Pattaya and find one of the hotter girls in Alcatraz, she is an agency girl so Bar fine was 1500. I then had to negotiate with her how much she wants for ST vs. LT. She starts with 4000 and I negotiate her down to 3000.
So total cost for overnight is- 4500 baht /36.2= $124.30.
A month later I am in AC and take one of the featured dancers from Atlantis. Her Bar fine is 3000 and of course since this is AC that is all-inclusive and no need to waste time negotiating how long she will stay.
So total cost for overnight is 3000 pesos /46.7 = $64.23.
.......................Now on to Malaysian Indians in angeles.
Most are of indian origins but have lived for generations in Malaysia, single males mainly travel over on cheap flights from kuala lumpur just for a short weekend, I have been in bars when Malaysian indians have been there too, they seem friendly, speak excellent english, are willing to buy drinks both for themselves and the girls, most pinay bargirls seem to accept them and will treat them just the same as other westerners.This is what I alluded to in a previous of mine. Malaysian Indians are different. Proves my friends saying: "We are a product of our environment". Different countries of origin, different environment (behavior etc).
But I did come across the Indian 'peasant' variety in expensive / exclusive Arena Show Place, Cebu City. Quite funny, turned the corner to go to toilet and there they were, outside the toilet, about 7 of them in a huddle, discussing their modus operandi. Most probably deciding who would approach the girl, how much would be offered, and who of the seven would have sex first with her, whilst the others waited for their turn to have sex with the same girl, for the one 'bulk buy' price, LOL.
Another time came across a distinguished looking Indian chap, who had bailed up the top lady at the same expensive place, Arena, a 9 to some (myself) , an eleven to others. He had corralled her out of view of everyone, negotiating. Don't know what happened there.
The Indians are coming to Phils, no doubt about that. Whether they earn the very bad reputation they have in Thailand, time will only tell.
In the mean time its 'puki' time, until we Caucasians are swamped by all manner of Nationalities (eg Chinese Mongers yet to invade in numbers). Survival. Figure out ways to survive lads, I have, LOL.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 01:33
Why feel sorry for them? With all the stories floating around they should know better. And if you would not marry a prostitute back home then why would you go overseas where the territory and culture and language is less familiar to you and do it? I guess they think the same as many on this board: Well they only do it for food, mother's medicine, to buy a new cow, to pay for school, or to fix the roof. The truth is that there are millions of other people who need these same things with no money to get them, but they do not go out and prostitute themselves.Mr E,have to totally agree with you again and I have wrote about this some months ago.
Prostitutes the world over are of low morales and in it for the big, easy, money.
Girls with high morales would not sell their pussy to guys old enough to be her grandfather full stop.
Talk to most middle class teen age girls in the phills and they want the same things as teenage girls the world over, go to college, go to university, get a decent job, find love with her own kind and of her own age group, etc etc.
The last though on their wish list would be to be selling their pussy to strangers every night.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 01:46
Huh? How is Angeles more pricey and more complicated than Thailand?
Two examples from 3 months ago where I took one of the hotter gogo dancers in both Thailand and Philippines. Not comparing a Soi 6 girl with a top gogo; and not comparing a girl pulled from a Perimeter bar in AC vs. A top gogo. Top gogo vs top gogo.
I am in Pattaya and find one of the hotter girls in Alcatraz, she is an agency girl so Bar fine was 1500. I then had to negotiate with her how much she wants for ST vs. LT. She starts with 4000 and I negotiate her down to 3000.
So total cost for overnight is- 4500 baht /36.2= $124.30.
A month later I am in AC and take one of the featured dancers from Atlantis. Her Bar fine is 3000 and of course since this is AC that is all-inclusive and no need to waste time negotiating how long she will stay.
So total cost for overnight is 3000 pesos /46.7 = $64.23.I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.
Now on to pussy.
Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.
There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.
There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,
Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.
you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.
many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,
not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.
Soldierb11
01-20-16, 02:25
I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.
Now on to pussy.
Comparing thai agency girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white.
There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.
Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.
Want a top looking thai gogo girl then get them on their time off, in the discos after work, in the malls before work at half the price they quote at work and zero barfine too.
you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is fraction of the price of thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a dangerous shit hole,etc etc,i could go on for pages.
not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.I disagree with almost everything you said. But its just my opinion and you have yours. You will notice how I don't just come out and call your comments STUPID or whatever it was on some of your other responses to others guys and their opinions on other matters. Why? Because I don't think your comments are stupid and even if I did I wouldn't say that. I just disagree with them.
1-I think one of the top girls at Atlantis can stack up against a top girl in Pattaya period. You don't agree that's fine. Princess attitude? I didn't see that in the featured dancer I took in October, not at all. Not to say if I took her friend maybe I would have gotten it but the girl I took didn't have any of that.
2- I know their are Soi 6 girls that could work in Atlantis, and that once you go below the top 10% of the Filipinos you are really going downhill in quality. But again within two weeks I took a high priced dancer from Pattaya and one from AC and that's what I was comparing. Not the overall quality of the 300 girls in Atlantis vs the overall quality of 100 girls in angel witch.
3-yes I know there is the chance to get a top Thai gogo after hours at Insomnia or on their day off, just the same as I took AC girls on their days off. But again not the point of my comparison.
4- I didn't "conveniently" forget to mention anything. I wasn't commenting on airfare, hotel prices, food or any of that crap because AGAIN I was only comparing the prices and ease of top gogo vs. Top gogo.
5- No where did I say that Thailand wasn't a good place or I didn't like it. In fact when I come to Asia I generally spend about 75% of my time there and the rest in PI. Again my post was what readers? Just a comparison of top gogo in Pattaya costs vs. Top gogo in AC costs.
Thou I and a few others just listed at least 25 different things to do in the daytime in AC. I am going to concede to your declaration and declare you correct. The is Nothing to do in Angeles city in the daytime. Why are you budget mongering in AC anyways? You can get the best pussy on the planet in Las Vegas New York Dubai Macau etc etc and there is quality things to do in the daytime also. I,m a poor SOB with very little money that' why I monger in AC over those places more bang for my buck. Its also why I play golf on public courses and not pebble beach and I stay in the motel 6 and not the Ritz Carlton.My earlier response was somewhat in jest. I agree with you that there are things to do in AC and not to everyone's likings.
I have been here a week now and after a walk last night thru WS, the sights of old pooriengers and there drunken behaviors can get rather depressing. A little over a week in AC is enough for me. I then travel to Cebu or elsewhere for a break. Usually I meet up with former AC girls in the other cities. Or they will make an introduction for me.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 03:34
AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.
Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.
Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,
as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lol
So long story short go to Thailand first and then go to Phil?
I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.
Now on to pussy.
Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.
There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.
There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,
Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.
you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.
many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,
not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.
Wicked Roger
01-20-16, 05:23
Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,We all have am sure NE time or another maybe unknowingly LOL.
Why ashamed as this is the way of life there.
I was with one when her daddyko called, another when daddyko (aka moneyko) did a Skype chat, other times she was doing a cam show for him while I watched then shagged her after. Happened many times and many also had pinoys on the side.
One AC bar girl had 4 European / American monkeyko to whom she always said "you are the only one etc" and her husband would drop her off at times to the guy's hotel. She was an excellent 3 holes as well. She was earning around 100-125 k pesos a moth from her collective moneykos before other tips from AC punters etc.
Is more fun in the Philippines as they say LOL.
Streetlooker
01-20-16, 06:11
My earlier response was somewhat in jest. I agree with you that there are things to do in AC and not to everyone's likings.
I have been here a week now and after a walk last night thru WS, the sights of old pooriengers and there drunken behaviors can get rather depressing. A little over a week in AC is enough for me. I then travel to Cebu or elsewhere for a break. Usually I meet up with former AC girls in the other cities. Or they will make an introduction for me.Actually one of the best things to do in AC is watch the stupid drunks stumble past Phillie's or Kokomos barely able to walk with little brown honeyko in tow trying there best to hold them up. Pure Entertainment at its finest Of course I also like the show at big dogs Nana also a great drunken show spot. Sometimes I think there is good money to be made rolling these drunk fuckers.
Streetlooker
01-20-16, 06:19
FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.
Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.
Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,
as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lolGreatest power trip I can get is banging the shit out of some other dudes sponsored girlfriend. I fucking love when they talk to them on the phone naked in my bed 5 minutes after we just got busy. Sometimes I like to talk in the back ground see what happens.
Screaming Beaver
01-20-16, 08:08
Greatest power trip I can get is banging the shit out of some other dudes sponsored girlfriend. I fucking love when they talk to them on the phone naked in my bed 5 minutes after we just got busy. Sometimes I like to talk in the back ground see what happens.One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fiancé on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.
Fastpiston
01-20-16, 08:54
FP, you are correct to believe the words of the locals.
Truth can be a damn ***** at times though.
Feel ashamed to say this but I too have indulged in the delights of pinays that are on western union support from abroad,
as they say,you can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl lolNo need to feel ashamed about it, the girls are very skilled scammers. Hopefully those who read this forum will understand this and save themselves a lot of time, money and heart ache. Hopefully those who are about to sign a legal Filipino document of marriage to a bar girl think carefully. Then stop and THINK yet again.
Sometimes I think there is good money to be made rolling these drunk fuckers.Actually, some of the bar girls make good money by doing that. According to one of my regulars anyway. She's a FL who's bar hopping with her customers frequently and she notices quite often that girls go through the pockets of drunk customers.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 11:10
No need to feel ashamed about it, the girls are very skilled scammers. Hopefully those who read this forum will understand this and save themselves a lot of time, money and heart ache. Hopefully those who are about to sign a legal Filipino document of marriage to a bar girl think carefully. Then stop and THINK yet again.Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.
I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.
They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.
Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,
Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.
Red Dogger
01-20-16, 12:07
Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,
Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 14:11
Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.Yes one could probably get an attractive low educated non bargirl who has very little chance of employment to accept a monthly income to live with us.
Unfortunately that agreed monthly amount comes with add ONS.
Buffalo died need new one, parents house destroyed in storm need new one, brother had motorbike accident and is in hospital need big money or brother die, lost or broken phones / laptops, the lies go on and on mostly egged on to tell us those lies by her greedy family.
Don't forget when we take on younger pinays we take on their family problems as well and that includes their extended family problems.
It is however possible to meet an educated pinay from a good family who holds down her own job and does not ask for monetary contributions but she will not accept a large age differences, maybe 10-15 years at best.we would have to be to her tastes looks wise and have to romance her just like any western girl,
Unfortunately most guys who visit the phills are 50-60-70 and want to have pinay girlfriends/wives that are 18-25, thats when the large problems occur
Chocha Monger
01-20-16, 14:48
AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.This is a fact. The majority do have Filipino boyfriends. The ones who do not are encouraged to do the same by those who do. Bar girls often tell each other 'use your head not your heart' when it comes to foreigners. The boyfriends are not always from AC. Many are boyfriends from their province who follow the girls once they become established in the bar and have enough money to send for the boyfriends to pay the RORO fare. The leaching of the foreigner is not limited to Filipino boyfriends. Entire families follow the girls to AC. Often selling pussy is a family affair with sisters and cousins working in the bars. The parents, uncles, and aunts follow them to AC to manager their careers. That includes managing you, their foreigner. There is a reason why the girls say 'my poriner' because walking ATMs are seen as property not persons.
Fastpiston
01-20-16, 15:21
Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.
I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.
They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.
Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,
Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt!
RockyHardy21
01-20-16, 15:48
Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt!I am staying in an apartment in KL. So one day the guard suggested me that a pinay girl is looking for part time job. Wow I was like lets try pinay on Malaysia. The girls comes and offers cleaning of my apartment and charge 600 myr 15 times a month. I thought wow may be I am lucky to taste a pinay pussy here. First day she comes anf the clean the house, offer me massage for 100 extra. I was like wow. Go on. She does massage and when I try to do some play she start saying me all the sad stories, my family, I cry for them, they have no money to eat bla bla. Now instead of feeling horny I felt so sorry as if I will cry. Story goes on and nothing happened. I paid 200 just to say her don't cry. Now she everyday says the same thing. One day she invites me for a party and I buy almost 12 beers, wine scotch and some food amd reach their house. To my surprise they were eating and only two people at home. I asked where your BF and other friends, she says they will come. OK I am already bored and leave the place. In night I just ask that if they are done with party or no. She says no party. Why the fuck she asked me to buy so much stuff if no party. Now next day she says I can give my house key to her so that she can come once I am at work clean. I thought OK. One day I come early and to my surprise she with her friends and BF all having gala times in my apartment. I was shocked, she says they all came to use wifi, as my place got wifi.
Not things are triggering, again same sad stories about family and boy friend bla bla. Now I am getting hints what a happening. Till now no pussy. One day I went to swimming pool to my surprise using my access card her BF and she both are enjoying the pool. Now I was so angry I just old her to fuck off. And paid her money. Li used to think how can be people so stupid to marry pinays but now I realized when you are sensible and they have enough to cry, you make mistakes any how I just escaped spending almost 1500 myr without even a glimpse of puky. Anyways lesson learn are more than money.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 16:11
As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.
Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.
Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.
Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.
Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.
Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage.
RockyHardy21
01-20-16, 16:58
As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.
Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.
Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.
Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.Nanaslapper,
First you decide which side you are. Your most informations are not clear enough. May benif you were true Philippine forum was not so happening.
My goodness the god of morale please drink some scotch and let the devil come out.
NapaSlapper
01-20-16, 17:34
Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage. I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho.
Look back a few pages to my trip report where a cherry girl was more than willing to give a blow job and let me eat her pussy if I bar fined her, no extra payments needed.
,most supposed cherry girls are only cherry until they find the client willing to pay enough to take their suposed cherry, they entered the bar buisness knowing that probably they would be selling hand jobs, blow jobs,sucking pussy and eventually they will be probably selling pussy for money too.
girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.
I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho. girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.OK, that's a point you've made clear enough: some girls are good, some girls are bad, end of story.
As for certified cherry girls working in go-go bars: we believe there is a broader cross-section in play. A lot has to do with how they are recruited and what their expectation is for the actual work -- initially. Once in action, it's then a slippery slope. Factor in the incentive to consume alcohol, peer pressure, money, etc. And morality adjusts -- situational determinism. You can project your own morals unto the girls: keep in mind they can do the same for you.
One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fianc on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.It is a common occurance if you visit Philippines often and date normal girls from dating sites. They meet many online and as I understand quite a few support these girls without having never visited.
I have had few girls answer their phones when I am with them. It is a game they play. It is not confined to only Philippine girls. Even for the occasional visitor having a young GF comes with lots of trust issues. Girl is not going to sit and home twist her thumbs watching tv waiting. More so if she gets money every month. She is going to go out meet boys and fuck.
These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time. Next time I will have new girls lined up but may see one or two of my previous favorite ones. Previously I have supported some girls through school and glad to say they got good jobs. At the same time I am fully aware of trust issues. What I do not see does not bother me. I have told them to go out and have fun if they want. But as you can imagine none has confessed and I do not expect them to either.
All stories are duly noted. Please note they are all just STORIES, told by second hand and one sided and/or pure speculation. No reports here by bar girls, girl friends, wives or victimized online contacts or personal meet ups to tell the other side.
Could it be that good girls feel they have no other options to feed their family?
Could it be that the "victimized" sponsor, boyfriend, husband and what ever is just merely a volunteer?
Mr Enternational
01-21-16, 06:09
These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time.Why would you tell them that? The normal girl that I see do not ask for support and I do not give them any support.
I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.
Now on to pussy.
Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.
There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.
There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,
Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.
you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.
many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,
not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.Totally agreed! I've been to both Phil and Thai, and I couldn't agree more with everything here. Of course, everyone has there own preferences and opinions depending on what your looking for.
Fastpiston
01-21-16, 07:48
All stories are duly noted. Please note they are all just STORIES, told by second hand and one sided and/or pure speculation. No reports here by bar girls, girl friends, wives or victimized online contacts or personal meet ups to tell the other side.
Could it be that good girls feel they have no other options to feed their family?
Could it be that the "victimized" sponsor, boyfriend, husband and what ever is just merely a volunteer?We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.
Why would you tell them that? The normal girl that I see do not ask for support and I do not give them any support.Well, some do think it is ok to ask for money saying usual things. Whenever we talk on skype or ym they come out with stories. I ignore them saying I cannot send money. I will help only when I come there next.
Last cute 18 year old I spent time with was very nice. She works in a factory and is the eldest in family of 5 with no father she says. In the evening she helps her mother sell Balut. Totally romantic. When I was leaving she said she will use part of the money I gave to buy a bag for sister to take to school. Immediately I took her to a store and got the bag. Some small things light up their life.
Streetlooker
01-21-16, 20:59
One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fianc on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.It is this knowledge that allows me to easily say no to a girl on line when the request for money comes. Some of these girls I really do like But they will not be getting money from me unless I am actually physically there with them. Sometimes I get the urge to grab the phone when these guys call and say Wake the fuck up dude she's playing you like a fiddle.
Mr Enternational
01-21-16, 22:01
Sometimes I get the urge to grab the phone when these guys call and say Wake the fuck up dude she's playing you like a fiddle.I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing. I had to get on my cousin about that once. We were having a get together at my place in Thailand and the chick that my cousin was banging boyfriend called. She went out on the balcony and my cousin wanted to go out there and make all kind of noise. I told him if he didn't plan on taking care of her then shut up and know your role.
I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing.Agreed. Imagine if a working girl interrupted me during my phone conversation with my wife. Similar thing. Don't do it.
We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.I doubt if I am in denial about such terrible 2nd party experiences but to accept them at face value would be nuts.
Also to label "AC bargirls" as a terrible bunch to marry is absurd. Same advice to be very very careful to marry bargirls would apply to any group of girls. I haven't seen any real statistics that bg divorcee rate is higher than any other groups. I doubt if the bg divorcee "jackpot" is any higher than another group's.
In America the divorcing spouse by law is entitle to only HALF of the assets and earnings accumulated from the DATE of marriage unless there is a written agreement stating other terms and conditions. Assets acquired prior to marriage can be kept and maintained as Sole and Separate Property provided it is not supported by "community property" during the marriage. Even if supported by community property it can remain sole and separate by written agreement with the spouse. Best not to co-mingle pre-marriage assets with community property assets. Even if co-mingling occurs it is still possible to sort it out during the divorce proceedings. Costly but possible.
Given these laws, I don't know how someone can become victimized! Especially more by a bg than another good girl.
If someone puts the wife's name on title, he volunteer.
If someone buys her a house, he volunteer.
If someone opens a bank account in her name, he volunteer.
If someone makes a loan, he volunteer.
Disclaimer. I am not an attorney nor am I dispensing legal advice here. I am merely disputing some of the "victim mentality" and stories here.
My advice: Consult an attorney prior to marriage.
Good for you. Your cousin maybe thought he'd be helping out the guy, but it was probably his own green-eyed monster in play. I have to admit I took an ego hit shortly after arriving in a Moalboal, Cebu love nest when a gal took a call which ended with, "I love you too. ".
I milk those incidents for all they're worth by teasing the girl afterwards. I get her in bed and ask her for all the naughty details. Tell her I'll have to punish her. Tell her she better give me better than what he got.
Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a sult in the bed. It usually works.
I would never be the type to bust up a girl's hustle; especially if I didn't plan to step up and replace what she would be losing. I had to get on my cousin about that once. We were having a get together at my place in Thailand and the chick that my cousin was banging boyfriend called. She went out on the balcony and my cousin wanted to go out there and make all kind of noise. I told him if he didn't plan on taking care of her then shut up and know your role.
GoodLickee
01-22-16, 11:01
Hi there,
I'm new to this. I'm interested in having someone take me under there wing. Show me around. Any help would be much appreciated I'm hope to do my first trip early this year.
Cheers.
Blanquiceleste
01-22-16, 13:59
Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a **** in the bed. It usually works.I like this idea. I am definitely going to try this on my next pick up, no matter where it is.
Pip Jaeger
01-23-16, 13:26
My advice: Consult an attorney prior to marriage.Sage advice. In addition, if a guy does get a prenup then consult a Filipino attorney, have it drawn up in English plus in Tagalog and, if applicable, in the girls own native language as well (ie Bisaya). Otherwise the prenup could be thrown out of court as she could claim she didn't understand it. This has happened in the USA.
Pip Jaeger
01-23-16, 13:34
SNIP
Disclaimer: I like naughty talk in bed. Tell the gal you'll treat her like a princess outside the room, but you want her to be a sult in the bed. It usually works.
I like this idea. I am definitely going to try this on my next pick up, no matter where it is.It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.
Sage advice. In addition, if a guy does get a prenup then consult a Filipino attorney, have it drawn up in English plus in Tagalog and, if applicable, in the girls own native language as well (ie Bisaya). Otherwise the prenup could be thrown out of court as she could claim she didn't understand it. This has happened in the USA.Great advice. Also make sure she has an attorney representing her and signs off stating she / he has represented her in this matter.
Blanquiceleste
01-23-16, 16:49
It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.Thanks Pip, looks like you are having a ton of fun with 3 chicks all in one go. Ride them hard!
I guess I will stop at ****. I am not into the slave thing or any other fetishes. 5555.
I don't know what's going on in this thread, but there hasn't been any reports in the past few pages. Can we get back on track, fellas?
Anyways, I'm reporting on my adventures from last night. This is my first time in this city and country, and chose angeles because it's basically the pattay of ph. I'm staying at Devera, which is conveniently located near fields and everything is within walking distance. I got a pretty good deal on agoda. The room is small, but it gets the job done. I started the night by walking around fields ave and walking street, but even on a Saturday night, things seemed to be dead. Having read some reviews on other sites, and my own good experience in Bangkok, I decided to go into Angel witch first.
It wasn't busy at all, I was able to grab a seat next to the DJ close to the front. Man, I was totally disappointed by the selection here. I couldn't tell if most women were pregnant or just fat. There were 3 decent looking girls on stage, but the rest I wouldn't even do a double take in public. After a few drinks and looking through 3 rotations of women, I opted to go with the prettiest one. However, the mamasan brought me the wrong girl, although the girl she brought me was the 3rd prettiest. By the way, they don't barfine here, you have to negotiate with the girl. Also, beer and lady drink prices have gone way up, not just here, but everywhere. The bar raids and crappy economy are taking it's toll, as well as the meteoric rise of the US dollar. Her name is "Lisa", and we chatted over a few drinks, but nothing came of it, she was dull and uninteresting. She wanted 3000 for short time, which is until 5 am (it was 11 pm at the time). I sent her away and told the mamasan to bring me who I originally asked for, but she was occupied by another gentleman (figures, just my luck). During this time, a coyote dancer goes on stage and destroys it. She was very beautiful, flexible, and has a nice body, but on the older side, probably late 30's. I considered barfining her, but I'm sure she would want a hefty fee, which you would get your moneys worth in bed. I opted not to as she was also occupied by another gentleman. I pay my tab and head out.
Walking up and down walking street, the atmosphere just isn't comparable to how Thailand is. You can feel fun, excitement, and energy in the many walking streets in thailand, but here, it's just depression and desperation. I noticed some beautiful women in front of Q bar, and head in there. Wow, the selection is 500% better here, and even the waitresses are beautiful. I chat up the waitresses, and they help me pick out a girl to barfine. The rates here varies between regular girls 2400-3000, to spotlight girls 3000-3500, I presume for LT. I ended up having one girl come to drink with me, but she was young (19) and uninteresting. The waitresses were fun, funny, beautiful, energetic, and sexy, I started to joke around about barfining them, but then the conversation turned real. I've never took a girl out who wasn't meant to be taken out. I wanted to see if it's possible (this was pretty new and exciting for me). After a few drinks, and some hard negotiating, I was able to barfine a waitress (her name is Trixie, she just started here and has never barfined with someone before, and hasnt had sex in 4 months, all of these pretty much reveals itself later in the night), at a heft price, 4000 LT or 2 pops, whichever comes first. I paid the tab and we head to high society, which is a nice and I believe the only discotheque. We get some more drinks, dance and grind for about an hour, revving up my engine. We head back to my hotel in a trike (BTW, if you're tall these things are a fucking nightmare to sit in).
We get back to my room, do some light french kissing and fingerbanging, she tasted very sweet. She has a nice body with bcup boobs. She's a starfish, and resisted doing many things like kissing or give a BJ. I missionary her hard for a bit and then I pop. She wanted to rest for 5 minutes until round two, but we were both pretty exhausted and drunk. We ended up sleeping the night and woke up at 7 am, where I started getting in the mood again. This time she doesn't kiss me at all and refuses to give me a BJ (said I should have asked for it earlier, she doesn't like doing it, especially first thing in the morning). Oh well, she gets on top and rides, but makes me do all of the work between grinds, so I get on top and drill her for every penny I paid. I blast inside of her, clean ourselves up, and she leaves.
It was a pretty expensive and disappointing night to be honest. I'm here for one more night, let's hope my second time around is better. I told the other waitress I might come back tonight to barfine her, she was gorgeous, but given my experience of barfining a waitress, it might not be worth it. I want someone experienced at doing this and knows how to please a man, even if it's p4 p. With that said, I feel like Trixie was willing to sex me because I fulfilled her criteria enough for a one night stand, but because I barfined, it took away the willingness factor and turned her into a working girl. We live and we learn, right?
Chocha Monger
01-24-16, 06:46
We build knowledge through our own experiences and noting experiences of others. One can make strenuous efforts to go into denial and / or dismiss such experiences, it is your life. Good luck to you. Equally, you are right in that some girls are mistreated by men. Then they have to build on their own knowledge and experience. My message is that it is dangerous to jump into the swimming pool before checking that there is water in the pool! Especially marrying bar girls, be very very careful. There are other options than bar girls.Is there any compelling reason for a monger to marry a Filipino, bar girl or not? Getting married in the Philippines would quickly put an end to the cheap fun that brings mongers there in the first place. Nothing is more pathetic than a monger who willingly takes up legal obligations that prohibit him from mongering only to go sneaking around on tiptoes trying to find a way out of it. All a foreigner gets out of marriage in the Philippines is the legally enforceable obligation to financially support the Filipino and her family. The foreigner still cannot own real property in his own name. His Filipino wife, on the other hand, can now own and has rights to the foreigner's assets in his homeland. In the event of the foreigner's untimely demise she may be entitled to survivor's benefits from his pension, social security, life insurance, etc. He may actually be unwittingly creating an incentive for his wife, her family, and her Flip lover to murder him in order to gain full access to his assets and benefits.
Even girls who never set foot in a bar get approached by Flips looking to use her as a means of tapping into the foreigner's money. They see the marriage as purely a financial arrangement and the foreigner does not get any respect. In fact, he worsens his position by marrying a native. The wife and her relatives will now keep him under close observation. If he is caught fucking other girls, she can now invoke Philippine laws on adultery which carry a jail term for the foreigner.
The wife is now entitled to his money so he can no longer keep it from her and her relatives. If he does not hand it over she can get a Flip attorney and bring suit for insufficient spousal support, and fleeing the country is out of the question since this means he will not be able to clear immigration due to pending legal action. So, there is nothing to be gained for the foreigner by marrying a Filipino but there is a lot to lose. Why go there?
I'm not sure how sexual peccadillos can be "off track" for the AC thread. Nevertheless, thanks for the report.
Hope you got lucky on your last night. BTW, AC waitress are generally fair game and sometimes the door girls too. I've had good luck with waitresses, so don't judge your entire AC adventure on one dud. I'm not sure why the EarlyWorkRelease (that you paid) was more than a spotlight gal.
SkyTrax is the other dance club, but not as nice as HSociety.
I don't know what's going on in this thread, but there hasn't been any reports in the past few pages. Can we get back on track, fellas?
Anyways, I'm reporting on my adventures from last night. This is my first time in this city and country, <<SNIP>>
It was a pretty expensive and disappointing night to be honest. I'm here for one more night, let's hope my second time around is better. I told the other waitress I might come back tonight to barfine her, she was gorgeous, but given my experience of barfining a waitress, it might not be worth it. I want someone experienced at doing this and knows how to please a man, even if it's p4 p. With that said, I feel like Trixie was willing to sex me because I fulfilled her criteria enough for a one night stand, but because I barfined, it took away the willingness factor and turned her into a working girl. We live and we learn, right?
She "readily agreed"? Bless her naughty heart. Can I have her phone number!
I don't think I could stomach getting a gal to crawl around like I've seen in some videos. But a few playful restraints, a spanking, and some naughty talk would make me a happy camper!
I'd ask for more details, but if you are enjoying an AC harem, you'd probably be best to stick to business. Have fun!
It frequently works quite well, I've done it many times. Something else along the same lines to try if you're into it is asking her to be your sex slave when your in private. I'm in AC now and one of the girls staying with me readily agreed. The other two girls and I are having great fun with our "slave". She'll get a very generous tip when we're done.
I'm not sure how sexual peccadillos can be "off track" for the AC thread. Nevertheless, thanks for the report.
Hope you got lucky on your last night. BTW, AC waitress are generally fair game and sometimes the door girls too. I've had good luck with waitresses, so don't judge your entire AC adventure on one dud. I'm not sure why the EarlyWorkRelease (that you paid) was more than a spotlight gal.
SkyTrax is the other dance club, but not as nice as HSociety.All I'm reading is about marriage, and legal / financial obligations of it. I'm here for / about mongering, I think if you want to discuss things not directly related to mongering, there are other websites and forums for that.
I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.
Mr Enternational
01-24-16, 16:21
All I'm reading is about marriage, and legal / financial obligations of it. I'm here for / about mongering, I think if you want to discuss things not directly related to mongering, there are other websites and forums for that.
I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.Those things are directly related to mongering. Because some guys go to mongering places and since they can't get laid at home or get attention to women, they fall in love with the first girl that treats them decent. Next thing they want to spend their entire vacation with them, go back home and contemplate how they can get the hooker to their country or when they can go back and spend more time with her. The next thing you know they are married and getting taken for all they have. Or they are sending monthly remittance to hookers. So it is directly related.
Surprising you have never been able to get a door girl or waitress. What countries were these? Hell, in a lot of places I will go in and fuck the mamasan. And it cost you more? The door girls and waitresses command less than the girls on the stage. Maybe the girl just didn't like you at first then you gave her a price she could not refuse.
Mr Enternational
01-24-16, 17:52
Is there any compelling reason for a monger to marry a Filipino, bar girl or not?Or marry anyone for that matter? The thing I have figured out is that many guys are serial monogamists. I have many friends and family members who go from one marriage or long term relationship right into another. A few months back an old Navy and college buddy hit me on facebook saying that he had broken up with his wife of 20 years, his college sweetheart. They have 5 kids together. 2 that are in college now. I was thinking yeah we can hang like the old days when we were stationed in San Diego or in school in Atlanta. We could take a trip to Thailand or Philippines to kick it. Next thing I know this guy gets on cam saying this is my new Korean girlfriend. I'm like man what the fuck.
I see absolutely no reason for me to get married. And when I explain it to women they agree. I come and go as I please. I have money. I cook. I clean. How is getting married going to make my situation any better than it is now? I am not a young guy who is looking to build a life and have kids with someone. My daughter is an adult now and I have my eyes set on retirement. I can have a different chick everyday whether she is of the paid or non-paid variety. So what is getting married going to do for me?
John Traveller
01-24-16, 18:59
A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)
Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".
For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.
Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).
Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.
BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.
Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.
Blanquiceleste
01-25-16, 00:49
Or marry anyone for that matter? The thing I have figured out is that many guys are serial monogamists. I have many friends and family members who go from one marriage or long term relationship right into another. A few months back an old Navy and college buddy hit me on facebook saying that he had broken up with his wife of 20 years, his college sweetheart. They have 5 kids together. 2 that are in college now. I was thinking yeah we can hang like the old days when we were stationed in San Diego or in school in Atlanta. We could take a trip to Thailand or Philippines to kick it. Next thing I know this guy gets on cam saying this is my new Korean girlfriend. I'm like man what the fuck.
I see absolutely no reason for me to get married. And when I explain it to women they agree. I come and go as I please. I have money. I cook. I clean. How is getting married going to make my situation any better than it is now? I am not a young guy who is looking to build a life and have kids with someone. My daughter is an adult now and I have my eyes set on retirement. I can have a different chick everyday whether she is of the paid or non-paid variety. So what is getting married going to do for me?I agree 100% with every single point you have mentioned here. It is like looking into the mirror. #Respect.
Blanquiceleste
01-25-16, 00:54
I've never been able to get a waitress or doorgirl in any country, must be different here in the PH. I paid higher because she said no to all of my offers until it was enticing enough, everyone has a price, hers was pretty high I guess.As mentioned in some responses, doorgirls, massage girls, even mamasans are all fair game. At least they will certainly not get offended if you ask them. They may refuse but tthat can come from a girl on the stage too.
Read a few pages back to reports by IllusionHeart and myself about our joint New Year holiday in Manila & AC. Illusion got two waitresses over a 4 day period and 1 got a door girl on my last day. Neither of us paid anything more than the usual price for other regular stage girls. The only ones that ask for a higher price are the spotlight girls / cultural dancers / show girls or whatever shit they choose to classify them lasses.
But you are right about everyone having a price. And if that floats your boat, who is to argue?
NapaSlapper
01-25-16, 03:25
A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)
Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".
For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.
Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).
Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.
BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.
Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.Have to disagree with most of your post.
Just like your claims of some members commenting on what is not so good in angeles we have some members that post only positive mainly to bang the angeles drum and to try to put some bums on their empty bar seats, it works both ways,
What I get from this forum is information, good and bad, it is up to each of us to read through and make up our minds as to which posts ring true and which posts are saying the same things, unfortunately for angeles most of the posts have been negative for some time, some like yourself are mostly,if not all positive posts, one could argue why they are,could there be an agenda?
Your claims of people keep coming back to angeles is very debatable, not sure when you were last in angeles but I have been there twice in the last couple of months and as most if not all members are reporting angeles is dead,the streets are dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling, restaurants have little custom, most of my friends who live here in thailand who would be regular angeles visitors some years ago refuse to visit now,i myself would not visit any where near as much as i do for pleasure only,my regular visits are firstly on buisness and family purposes with some bar hops thrown in for something to do in the evenings,
Yes I fully agree that a first time want to be visitor should not be put off by by negative reports if he is adamant he wants to try angeles, but at the same time many 1st time visitors visit angeles after reading glowing reports posted by the few members with an agenda and empty bar seats only to be left very disapointed as has been pointed out in the many trip reports recently,it works both ways.
ForceSteeler
01-25-16, 03:52
Have to disagree with most of your post.
Just like your claims of some members commenting on what is not so good in angeles we have some members that post only positive mainly to bang the angeles drum and to try to put some bums on their empty bar seats, it works both ways,
What I get from this forum is information, good and bad, it is up to each of us to read through and make up our minds as to which posts ring true and which posts are saying the same things, unfortunately for angeles 90% of posts are negative, some like yourself are 100% positive, I wonder why?
Your claims of people keep coming back to angeles is very debatable, not sure when you were last in angeles or if ever but I have been there twice in the last couple of months and as most if not all members are reporting angeles is dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling, restuarants have little custom, most of my friends who live here in thailand who would be regular angeles visitors some years ago refuse to visit now,i myself would not visit any where near as much as i do for pleasure only,my regular visits are firstly on buisness and family purposes with some bar hops thrown in for something to do in the evenings,.People been telling me Angeles City is dead and not the same since I started going way back in 2012. My Advice is too see for yourself. Take what people tell you with a grain of salt. I'm heading back in April. At the end of the day Walking Street has thousands of girls so don't think its so bad that your not going to get laid and can't have sex. Plus the world economy is in Recession and in a free fall right now, so that should be good for USA mongers. Last time I was in Angeles City for every $100 I was only getting P4100 Pilipino Pesos now its almost P4750 now. Also for you mongers complaining about girls turning you down at the bar. Who cares just move on, life is too short to stress, new 18 year old pussy is coming to the market everyday. I rather have a hard time and get turn down at the bar then she acting funny when we are in the bedroom and I just wasted my bar fine.
Angeles City.
Some people like it.
Other people don't like it.
The end.
BeachBoy46
01-25-16, 04:00
Angeles City.
Some people like it.
Other people don't like it.
The end.I like it.
NapaSlapper
01-25-16, 04:31
Have to fully agree that asking door girls / waitresses / mamasans if they will spend some time with us does not hurt, some will, some won't,just like the dancers.
Some of my best girls / memories have been with door girls / waitresses.
Only one thing to be careful of is that most door girls / waitresses wear a cover up uniform which restricts being able to see what's underneath, if you are like me and want non mummies with great bodies and no stretch marks then ask the girl first if she has children again she will not take offence.
All things posted here are quite debatable. As all mileage may vary on a whole lot of factors. I personally am happy with my mileage. Of course each girl responds differently and may vary on each meeting. Most girl I have met usually move on within 6 months, either they move back to the province or find a boyfriend.
Lots have been written about how bad relationships can be with bgs. I will say that I have seen MANY old codgers limping around on canes and in wheelchairs with much younger dutiful wife's or girlfriends taking care of them. Last week I saw the same 90+ year old lanky old man who resembled Dennis Rodmans dad eating dinner at the new Brettos on fields. His 40 year wife was taking good care of feeding him. I have seen them around a few times together.
So not everything is set in concrete.
Pip Jaeger
01-25-16, 06:00
She "readily agreed"? Bless her naughty heart. Can I have her phone number!
I don't think I could stomach getting a gal to crawl around like I've seen in some videos. But a few playful restraints, a spanking, and some naughty talk would make me a happy camper!
I'd ask for more details, but if you are enjoying an AC harem, you'd probably be best to stick to business. Have fun!It started out as a joke and went from there. Was all in good fun, nothing overly sadistic. Although I will say she enjoyed a good spanking which was actually delivered by one of the other girls.
Pip Jaeger
01-25-16, 06:20
I started the night by walking around fields ave and walking street, but even on a Saturday night, things seemed to be dead.I wouldn't exactly say it was dead on Saturday night or Sunday either, but it was no where near what it was like just 2 years ago when I was here about the same time. At about 1 am High Society was packed. Most of bars seemed fairly empty. Crystal palace at about 12:30 was nearly empty. Dollhouse had only about 8-10 customers, but the vibe was good. Left after one drink with my girls as they wanted to dance.
Between the last three nights I don't recall the names of all the bars I went into, but I will say that with very few exceptions that each place did have several, if not many, very attractive girls. By attractive I mean tight bodies, tall and short, light to darker skinned. Some the exceptions with low quality (chubby, older, etc) I recall: Angel Witch, Vikings, Geckos, Asia and Shooers. Caveat: I was there between 9 pm and 3 am, so there is a chance that the hotties were already gone.
Spent a few nights last week people watching on Fields. What was really noticeable was the groups of Asian men and women together walking around taking group selfies. Just like it was a tourist spot like Amsterdam!
A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)
Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".
For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information.
Yes, AC has changed in the last ten years, especially in 2012 and 2013 it happened a lot in this regard. Now the situation has somewhat stabilized. So why do mongers keep coming back here if it's less good than before. Two reasons: 1. Other destinations habe also decline in quality. 2. AC has a special style that no other place have (which makes up the love-hate stuff).
Come here if you want: 1. to have unpretencious fun. 2. to expect the unexpected. 3. to have lots of good sex PSE. 4. to have exiting and non-commiting (NSA) GFE sex. 5. to have fun for a relative small amount of money, OR spend a lot of money (depending of your likes or budget). In short: this is a place for many different interests and type of mongers. And it's EASY to get and it's found in a COMPACT area.
BUT, it is not a destination for all. Don't come here if you MUST HAVE this: 1. the most beautiful girls. 2. varied non-mongering activities. 3. clean and hassle-free streets. 4. serious / Long-term relationships. Then other places are better for you, but remember that one place is not better than the other, just different, that's why the best you can do is to visit all the main monger places in Asia.
Bottom line: AC is still a great place for the horny male.Agree with your post.
angeles is dead,the streets are dead, bars are dead, hotels are struggling,Another one of your many dubious (incorrect) speculations with incorrect facts (incorrect exaggerations?). Fields Ave during high season is "dead"?...Ridiculous. It's not Pattaya Walking Street, but no one can say it's dead. Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.
Some bars are struggling, but many bars are not. It's survival of the fittest. Two of the popular hotels (Amsterdam, Walkabout) aren't full everyday during high season like before, but it is still full of customers.
NapaSlapper
01-25-16, 08:26
Agree with your post.
Another one of your many dubious (incorrect) speculations with incorrect facts (incorrect exaggerations?). Fields Ave during high season is "dead"?...Ridiculous. It's not Pattaya Walking Street, but no one can say it's dead. Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.
Some bars are struggling, but many bars are not. It's survival of the fittest. Two of the popular hotels (Amsterdam, Walkabout) aren't full everyday during high season like before, but it is still full of customers.Did not expect anything else from you greenbud, flames and little input are all you are good for IMHO.
Read back many posts, many recent trip reports, most if not all members reporting angeles dead,angeles very quiet, angeles not as before etc etc.
the latest trip report was from board member thomcat,he clearly states angeles not busy at all,angeles was expensive,i was disapointed by my trip
Are you saying we are all blind,we are all ridiculous, we all give incorrect facts,that thomcats trip report is lies and only your perception of things counts or is the truth?
anyways as not to bore fellow board members please feel free to pm me and i will gladly discuss your views,what you claim to see and why you would want to claim such with you in private,
GoodEnough
01-25-16, 10:43
Agree with your post.
Someone must be going to the bars, because there's still many girls working. Someone is building something huge next to Phillies, where that old house was, so some investors think Angeles is not dead.
The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.
GE.
Are you saying we are all blind,we are all ridiculous, we all give incorrect facts,If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.
Some of the things you write are correct. Some of your speculations (which it seems you think are facts) I disagree with, but I'm not going to comment on it because the discussion will be endless.
But you have written incorrect facts to support your speculation. You have never answered or replied to the incorrect mis-statements I wrote about in your previous posts.
NapaSlapper
01-25-16, 11:26
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1829989]If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.
private pm sent to you greenbud.maybe now you will stop your constant whining/flaming, baseless accusations.
sorry to all the other board members for having to put up with this crap
Screaming Beaver
01-25-16, 12:26
The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.
GE.Sounds like a refreshing change from High Society. If it also has no smoking it will be perfect.
NapaSlapper
01-25-16, 14:28
The new construction to which Greenbud refers will include a small strip mall and a nightclub designed to compete with and outshine the two alternatives that are currently available. The nightclub will, according to the people building it, be of a much higher class than its competitors such as High Society and far less raucous, with softer music and conversation pits. It should prove to be a much needed addition to the current scene and will be intended for a different type of clientele than those frequenting High Society.
GE.If this is in fact true GE then it is welcome news.
Few times I visited high society it was too loud and smoky for my liking.
I will look forward to trying this new place out, any news on how long it will be till ready?
GoodEnough
01-25-16, 14:44
If this is in fact true GE then it is welcome news.
Few times I visited high society it was too loud and smoky for my liking.
I will look forward to trying this new place out, any news on how long it will be till ready?I forgot to ask when the projected opening will occur, but I suspect the construction won't take very long. I'll try to check on the prospective opening and, if I find out anything new, I'll post the information here.
GE.
Wow,
I'm highly surprised at the responses from my original trip report. It basically goes to show you the polarity of Angeles as a mongering destination. I have never seen such animosity in any other threads. Thanks to everyone for replying and contributing your opinions, I think the purpose is to help newbies and veterans get to know the going ONS about each specific city and its scene. For me, I browsed through the threads to get some insider information and tips on how to navigate AC, since it's my first time in the PH and AC. I hadn't formed an opinion about the place or allowed anyone's bias to affect me. I came with an open mind with no expectations, so my trip report and opinion are based on someone's first time experiences there.
I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. As a caveat to all of this, I've never considered barfining waitresses, staff, or mamasans because I probably never thought they were attractive enough, until I got to AC. It's also probably because the gogo girls were lacking and I needed other options.
As mentioned earlier, I paid higher for Trixie because I was her first customer to do so, EVER. I don't think she ever had any intentions to do it, unless it was a perfect storm of circumstances to convince her (she wanted an attractive body and face, fun, funny, and nice, and a high enough price). For the fact that I couldn't have her, is why I was willing to pay more, it made her more irresistible and I had to have her. I later found out that everyone is available, I ended up barfining the other waitress, at the regular price of 2400, full report to come soon.
Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. I have mongered in 20 countries / places thus far, with 2 more within the next month. I'm still learning, even though I have half a decade of experience, although that pales in comparison to you fellas who probably have a quarter of a century or more. I'm grateful for this forum, and hope that we can keep it civil and share information whenever we can, after all, we're brothers in this community, are we not?
A lot of negativity on this thread recently. It seems this is special for the AC thread. On other forums like Manila or Thailand (or any other destination in the world) the posts are much more informative, and more entertaining as well. This is probably due to the special character of AC as a monger destination. There is no other place like it. Thats also why many people, including myself, keep coming back here. We have a love-hate relationship towards AC. (Another reason is that the more supportive posters have migrated to other boards.)
Some posters seem only to be interested in talking AC down, for whatever reason, probably personal. They have a negative opinion of the place and especially the bars, and prostitution in general (especially if it is involves non-Asian guys). A few might even be imposters with their own agenda to limit visitors coming here. Then this goes on in endless and boring discussions. This it not new, it has been periods before with this silly stuff, just remember M. McCobb, "the dental expert".
For newbees this can be confusing. I will therefore advice all newbees, that is mongers who have not been to AC yet, to come here and see for themselves. Nothing is like your own experience. Then you know if you like it or not (most end up liking it). Also you should check out other boards that have more interesting information. .Thank you for putting the current state of this forum up to the light.
Over the last few months the disrespect for AC and it's inhabitants (by a few posters) has been running wild. They are wrecking the fun of reading this board and pushing their ugly idea of what this hobby about. I can barely stomach it. The constant put down of the sex workers, the preaching of morals, (who has them and who doesn't).
I'm hoping these guys get tired of posting and eventually disappear otherwise this forum will be worthless. The god fearing exhortations and the detailed vulgar well written descriptions of the working locals in AC (or elsewhere) are worthless to fun loving mongers. Why some here patronize these losers is beyond me.
FredBratten
01-25-16, 20:31
I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.
However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?
I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.
Thanks in advance!
FredB
BeachBoy46
01-26-16, 01:11
I wouldn't exactly say it was dead on Saturday night or Sunday either, but it was no where near what it was like just 2 years ago when I was here about the same time. At about 1 am High Society was packed. Most of bars seemed fairly empty. Crystal palace at about 12:30 was nearly empty. Dollhouse had only about 8-10 customers, but the vibe was good. Left after one drink with my girls as they wanted to dance.
Between the last three nights I don't recall the names of all the bars I went into, but I will say that with very few exceptions that each place did have several, if not many, very attractive girls. By attractive I mean tight bodies, tall and short, light to darker skinned. Some the exceptions with low quality (chubby, older, etc) I recall: Angel Witch, Vikings, Geckos, Asia and Shooers. Caveat: I was there between 9 pm and 3 am, so there is a chance that the hotties were already gone.The saying YMMV could not be more relevant. AngelWitch / Roadhouse and Gekos are my two favorite bars in AC. Sure, some are a little chubby but all are happy and smiling and great fun to have a drink with. It may be all about fucking but it should be all about fun as well.
NapaSlapper
01-26-16, 02:02
Wow,
I'm highly surprised at the responses from my original trip report. It basically goes to show you the polarity of Angeles as a mongering destination. I have never seen such animosity in any other threads. Thanks to everyone for replying and contributing your opinions, I think the purpose is to help newbies and veterans get to know the going ONS about each specific city and its scene. For me, I browsed through the threads to get some insider information and tips on how to navigate AC, since it's my first time in the PH and AC. I hadn't formed an opinion about the place or allowed anyone's bias to affect me. I came with an open mind with no expectations, so my trip report and opinion are based on someone's first time experiences there.
I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. As a caveat to all of this, I've never considered barfining waitresses, staff, or mamasans because I probably never thought they were attractive enough, until I got to AC. It's also probably because the gogo girls were lacking and I needed other options.
As mentioned earlier, I paid higher for Trixie because I was her first customer to do so, EVER. I don't think she ever had any intentions to do it, unless it was a perfect storm of circumstances to convince her (she wanted an attractive body and face, fun, funny, and nice, and a high enough price). For the fact that I couldn't have her, is why I was willing to pay more, it made her more irresistible and I had to have her. I later found out that everyone is available, I ended up barfining the other waitress, at the regular price of 2400, full report to come soon.
Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. I have mongered in 20 countries / places thus far, with 2 more within the next month. I'm still learning, even though I have half a decade of experience, although that pales in comparison to you fellas who probably have a quarter of a century or more. I'm grateful for this forum, and hope that we can keep it civil and share information whenever we can, after all, we're brothers in this community, are we not?Thomcat, thanks for your trip report and your views, I thought they were well balanced and truthful.
Yes you are correct about the animosity from the same handful of members on the angeles threads.
There is a reason for this, and its monetary, no body in buisness especially a failing buisness likes to see anything negative said, yes, they will gang together, try to discredit/silence any member who dares tell the truth, or who dares post anything remotely negative about angeles.
Anyways, I am sorry angeles was not your cup of tea, at least you have tried it now and can look for new places to monger.
Mr Enternational
01-26-16, 02:04
I was always under the assumption that only the gogo girls were for sale, I never thought everyone was. Although to be perfectly honest, why would you go for someone who's not on stage? They do it for a living, willingly (for the most part), experienced, and their bodies are on display. Everyone else is not experienced, bodies arent revealed, and can't be too sure of their experience level. Well 1 out of 4 is bad! Yes the girls on stage may have their bodies displayed but that says jack shit to their experience. How many guys have barfined a girl from the stage only to find out she was shit in the sex department? Everyone else in there does not have their bodies displayed but they do IT for a living as well and are possibly more experienced than the girls on the stage. In Thailand the waitresses wear numbers the same as the girls on the stage. I am not sure if this is true for PI as well. Showing a body does not mean anything. There was a day when Blow Row was a bustling side street. None of the girls there showed their bodies (instead they were inside their bars with normal clothes on) but in the bed they would knock your socks off.
I agree 100% with BeachBoy that it should be fun as well. Some guys concentrate too much on finding their dream girl. There is a poster in the Pattaya section who just said he went all over the city and couldn't find the kind of girl he was looking for. When he finally found one that he was happy with and took her back she turned out to be a starfish. So he finally found what he was looking for, but was it worth it in the end? I am so glad that I am not as picky as a lot of the guys on the board. I can walk into almost any place with the intention of having a good time and find someone that I will fuck. Even if she is not the best looking thing on the planet, if we are vibing and getting along well then I am down. I have fucked plenty of 10's over the years. These days having fun is what I am out for.
NapaSlapper
01-26-16, 02:19
I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.
However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?
I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.
Thanks in advance!
FredBIf you are planning to travel extensively in the phills or to dive, beach, sports, treck etc etc then obviously its not the best time to visit, it does not rain in the phills it pours down,sometimes for days, December to febuary would be ideal.
Now if you are planning just an angeles mongering trip, drinking, fucking and sleeping then it is very easy to do these things without any problems, best advice stay in a hotel that provides free limo service, it will take you out to the bars and pick you and your girls up at will without getting wet.
So, no need to cancel an angeles trip because its rainy season IMHO.
Personally, and this is my opinion, AC is not my cup of tea. But I did want to see and experience it. I think there are better options out there. I'm still young (33 now) and am travelling the globe to find the best destinations for my 60 year old self. Thom nice reports.
In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.
Angeles is best for Peter Pan-ish men like myself old enough to be your father and beyond who want young girls to treat them like thier first teenage BF. Its shallow as hell but that's AC. Myself at 33 would have laughed at the whole scene frankly, and not be as diplomatic as you in my analysis.
Thats just one mans view, I personally appreciate AC and realize its not everyones cup of tea for sure. Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.
First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.
I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive. You had to do this I think because the waitresses will hound you as soon as you get in to buy a drink for yourself. This was annoying thing #1 for me. Before I even have a chance to see whether the place was worth staying in or not, I was being asked to pay 100-150 p for a drink which I didn't need. I walked out of several bars feeling guilty that I didn't buy a single drink for the minute that I was in there checking out the girls.
In one of the early bars I visited, I did see a fairly attractive lady and called her over and got her an LD. I was kind of surprised at the LD costs 240-300 each. I guess this is a "double LD" and it seems to be the standard order nowadays. Anyways the girl was kind of shy but we had a decent conversation. I eventually asked to BF her but she was on her period. Big fail right there. I dunno why these girls are even on stage, but lesson learned.
After a few bar hops, at around 7 pm, I landed at Icarus where as soon as I walked in, there was a girl on stage smiling at me. I called her over, got her a drink (240) and again was hounded by waitresses for drinks for me / them which I ignored since I was only interested in the girl I picked. Her English was passable and even though we didn't quite click I figured that I already spent some time looking I decided to BF her. Total price to take her out was about 2700. We walked back to the hotel, and the first thing she said was that she's hungry. So we walk all the way back to Icarus which has a restaurant next to it. I ate already and just ordered for her. Total damage was about 400 or so. Getting back to the hotel, after watching some Tagalog TV, we fucked for about 10 minutes, the experience wasn't too bad. But afterwards, we had no words for each other. She said she was bored and wanted to go barhopping. I didn't find any value staying with her for another several hours, so I said she can go back to her bar. Tipped her 200, which I don't even think was worth it for ST.
At 9:30 I was horny again. First bar on this second going, there was a pretty attractive dancer at Rhapsody I think it was. I called her over, 300 p LD, we talked a bit and found she's been in AC for 5 years. We never really had an interesting conversation, and learning from my previous girl, I didn't ask for the BF.
Right next door was La Bamba. The atmosphere seems a lot more alive than any other bar I've been in thus far. I was asked to sit, and a pretty hot waitress came by and immediately offered herself for 3000 p. She was quite energetic so I tried to negotiate for 2500 but she didn't want to. I decided to check out the girls on the stage. The waitress then introduced a pretty new dancer to sit with me. This dancer wasn't as attractive, but she had her hands on my body the whole time so I decided to get her an LD. Meanwhile the original waitress and another who came by were hounding me to get drinks for them. My think was if she didn't want to go with me then why would I pay for any of their drinks? Anyways I ignored them for the most part and continued talking with the shy dancer girl. We had a decent conversation and it sounds like she's my type of girl. Eventually I BF'd her for something like 2400. But when we got back to the hotel, she figured out her period just started. Obviously I was very disappointed at this time. I said we should go back to the bar and I'll talk with the mamasan. She didn't want to do that so I gave her an option to stay and do it despite her period. Which is safe from a health perspective. She refused initially but eventually we settled on that option. Not much else to say about that. Sent her back without a tip.
Overall my impressions thus far is that there's a big upfront cost with the multiple LDs and potentially waitress tips just to get a girl. I never ended up tipping the waitresses, but even then my average thus far has been around 700 p per girl. One of the main contributors to the upfront cost is the uninterested attitudes of a lot of these girls, leading to potentially boring experiences back at the hotel.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.
2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?
3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.
Thanks!
I was 20 when I first went to the Philippines. It was a different era, but I now appreciate the great lesson that was Subic Bay, the chaos, the sex, the stink of shit river bridge, the mirage of gals standing in boats under the bridge asking for coins, the tattoo parlors, the endless row of live bars (full on bands) and the sleazy and sleazier.
Yea, it's kind of hard for an old guy like me to relive dancing with go go girls to the beat of the be-52's, the crazy house parties, and the live-in harems of the barrette beach bars.
And I fully agree with Pantot. Don't even think about visiting the Philippine until your are 50 or 70. Unless you are 20! LOL X.
Thom nice reports.
In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.
Angeles is best for Peter Pan-ish men like myself old enough to be your father and beyond who want young girls to treat them like thier first teenage BF. Its shallow as hell but that's AC. Myself at 33 would have laughed at the whole scene frankly, and not be as diplomatic as you in my analysis.
Thats just one mans view, I personally appreciate AC and realize its not everyones cup of tea for sure. Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.
I am planning a trip to the Philippines / AC in 2016 and July seems to be an easy month to go, due to circumstances at work.
However, the weather in the Philippines is reportedly bad (= lots of rain) during this month. Anyone who have lived in AC or been in the city during the "wet season" of the calendar who have any insight or advice? Shortly, is it a deal-breaker?
I know, we are obviously not going because of the weather, but I would appreciate some comments from anyone with more experience than me.
Thanks in advance!
FredBNo one has ever died from rain in 25 degree celsius warm weather. A typhoon is a different matter, then you get a girl for a few days and hunker down.
1. Say single drink only.
2. Waitress could be your friend in sorting out the girls. I usually tip them.
3. Yes.
Thanks for the answer Dg.
One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?
1. Say single drink only.
2. Waitress could be your friend in sorting out the girls. I usually tip them.
3. Yes.Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.
Dark Knight1
01-26-16, 18:23
Thom nice reports.
Honestly I would be curious about why any young western man would like the place.Because a young Western man may want an endless amount of pussy in very short time without having to jump through hoops for it you idiot.
Blanquiceleste
01-27-16, 01:33
First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.
I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive.
After a few bar hops, at around 7 pm, I landed at Icarus where as soon as I walked in, there was a girl on stage smiling at me.
First bar on this second going, there was a pretty attractive dancer at Rhapsody I think it was.
Right next door was La Bamba.
Here are my questions:
1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.
2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?
3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.
Thanks!In the afternoons before the bars on Fields open up you can go to Perimeter Road bars like Firepit, Night Moves, etc. Read back a few pages and you will get the information that can save your life in the day time.
The names of the bars you visited and picked girls from are fairly uncommon. People often talk about bars like Atlantis, Viking, Voodoo, Kings Landing, Shipwreck. This is a refreshing change. Good to see someone go off the beaten path.
As for the questions, here are my 2 cents:
1. You could ask for the single LD but the amount you save is insignificant. You don't want the girls in the bar to think you are a Cheap Charlie.
2. Tip generously if the service is good. Most waitresses can be helpful in filtering out the girls for you. Considering it payment for information.
3. There is not right or wrong answer to this. As long as you have fun you should be willing to pay for it, If it seems like harassment then put your foot down. Remember, customer is king.
NapaSlapper
01-27-16, 02:03
Tass, thanks for your trip report so far and welcome to the new angeles.
First things first, most girls will order a dld as standard, yes you could insist on just a single drink for the girl which she could refuse or accept but put you firmly in the tight catagory of guys she is not interested in, don't forget prostitutes are there to earn money not to save us money, buy the dld if you like her enough and want to try to get laid.
Short time is the standard from any girl that is young, slim, attractive and in high demand, that's if she barfines at all of course, accept this if you want these type of girls, of course if your not fussy and chubby. Older, fugly is ok then these girls will normally accept long time as they have little chance of getting multiple high commision drinks bought for them by staying in the bar.
As far as conversation, don't forget that angeles bargirls mainly come from the outback, jungle, village, they have very little education if any at all, don't expect to hold meaningful conversations with these girls, less talking and more fucking is my advice.
Do not fall for the pressure sales from waitresses, bargirls, mamasans to buy everyone a drink, tip everyone, spend what you feel ok with not what they are ok with, as you have found out already buying drinks is no guarantee of getting laid in angeles, far from it. buy only the 1 dld and only for the girl i am interested in and nobody else in is how i roll in angeles,
Sorry to hear your trip is not going too good at the moment,your not the only one,
I think the best advice to give you is to be very patient, yes a high majority of pretty / slim bargirls have no intention of barfining with anyone or they are very selective on who they will barfine with, accept this fact, if you want these type of girls then the only way to get them is to take the chance of buying them at least one drink, if they make excuses not to barfine then move on to the next, yes I know its a very frustrating and expensive way to do buisness but that is the new angeles city for you, no other choice where bars are concerned unfortunately.
Want pinays that fuck for a living then Manila is a much better and a much easier choice but also much more expensive IMHO.
Chris Long
01-27-16, 02:05
First time in AC and I'd like to post my first day thoughts as well as some questions for the rest of my trip. By the way I'm in AC until Feb 5th so PM me if anyone wants to meet up.
I got to AC around 3 pm. My hotel was right next to Fields, 1 minute walk. The first thing I did was walked around Fields and seeing how nothing was open around that time (3:30 pm) I decided to take a nap at the hotel. At 6 pm, after dinner, there was a lot more activity. Reading the experiences of the more experienced members, I visited several bars and walked out when I did not see anyone attractive. You had to do this I think because the waitresses will hound you as soon as you get in to buy a drink for yourself. This was annoying thing #1 for me. Before I even have a chance to see whether the place was worth staying in or not, I was being asked to pay 100-150 p for a drink which I didn't need. I walked out of several bars feeling guilty that I didn't buy a single drink for the minute that I was in there checking out the girls.
In one of the early bars I visited, I did see a fairly attractive lady and called her over and got her an LD. I was kind of surprised at the LD costs 240-300 each. I guess this is a "double LD" and it seems to be the standard order nowadays. Anyways the girl was kind of shy but we had a decent conversation. I eventually asked to BF her but she was on her period. Big fail right there. I dunno why these girls are even on stage, but lesson learned.1.) I never buy a double ladies drink the first time. Maybe its just superstition on my part but every time I buy a double ladies drink its bad luck, the girl almost always says she's on mens or has some other excuse not to bar fine. (maybe she feels she making enough money on ladies drinks and doesn't have to bar fine) I always order a single ladies drink the first time and every time I do they almost always agree to bar fine with me,(maybe she feels she's not making enough on ladies drinks so wants to bar fine to make a little more) and I tell the girls this as well that it is bad luck to order a double ladies drink the first time with a girl.
(I never sit down stairs in Atlantis, maybe its my own superstition but every time I sit down stairs the girl I call over is never willing to bar fine. I always sit up stairs and to the right. Every time I sit up stairs and to the right I have 100% success rate on being able to bar fine the girl I want).
2.) I always tip the waitress as some have said here its good to have a good waitress on your side when trying to bar fine a girl. However, if the girl I call over has some excuse not to bar fine than I don't leave a tip for the waitress or any one else. (develop the psychology that the girl who agrees to bar fine means a tip and bringing a girl who will not bar fine means no tip. The waitress is more likely to make sure the girl is willing bar fine with you).
3.) I always make it perfectly clear before I call a girl over for a drink that she has to be willing to bar fine. I ask the waitress or the mamason to ask the girl if she is willing to bar fine with me and if so have her come over for a drink. There is no point in wasting time or money if I'm calling a girl over its because I have intentions of sleeping with her so I want it understood right from the beginning that she has to be willing to bar fine before we even start talking.
Chris
NapaSlapper
01-27-16, 02:57
Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
Firstly who is to say that waitress knows any of the girls or is friends with any of the girls,some bar groups employ hundreds of girls who mostly switch and change bars regularly, the waitress could have just started work that same day in the bar or last week and know very little of what goes on or who does what,of course if you offer to buy her a drink she will accept and maybe lie/bullshit,its all about the easy money she can earn not the welfare of the punter imho
Of the long serving waitresses/mamasuns I am very friendly with and speak openly with, most will steer customers to the few bargirls where she gets most commision whether that be a cut of the girls lady drinks commisions or barfine, she will mainly tell the customer what he wants to hear, it might not be factual at all just where she earns most money,nothing to stop her saying yes so and so will do xyz only for the girl to find an excuse not to,i have seen many waitresses/mamasans call girls over to a punter,introduce them,5 lady drinks and a couple of mamasun drinks later the punter is left with his dick in his hand lol,
Have never found the need for waitresses, mamasans to lead me towards girls, see the girl you like, buy her a drink and ask if she fucks, its not rocket science. The girls the waitress / mamasan says go out may not be my cup of tea or not want to go out with you or I,its the girls choice what she will accept and what type of customer she will accept not the waitress or mamasans regardless of what they might claim.
Thanks for the answer Dg.
One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?1. There really isn't any common interests both of you will have for a conversation other than the weather. The weather is always hot and it is either raining or not. She and / or her family is trying to survive day to day. You obviously are beyond at least month to month survival and have extra money for travel and pussy. Certainly you are not going to have more than an elementary conversation about politics, corruption and a few other things. Also your frame of reference is completely different from hers. Example: AC is a shithole to you. To her, AC is a modern city with bus runs (jeepneys) supermarkets (JJ market) and mega malls like SM Clark.
How ever you can still have a cordial conversation with the girls.
2. To break the ice, I usually let them use my tablet for Facebook after the first boom boom. After a few minutes they will be giggling and laughing at some of the posts. Then they will have a conversation showing you their family or friends and / or their homes.
3. I always stock combs, toothbrushes, shampoo and hair conditioner and tell them up front before they shower. One I hate the cizgarette smell in their hair and it makes them feel welcome for LT.
Also do not keep your air con lower than 23. They will be freezing and want to go home.
Also let them watch one of their favorite educational shows on TV like Sponge Bob.
Good luck and boom boom on.
Tasss,
One few questions about whether you can get LT or not.
Are you in decent physical shape?
Do you smoke? A lot? Are you coughing and hacking in the room?
Are you mostly drunk?
Their are some posters here that will say none of this will make a difference. But I totally say BS to that.
DG8787.
Pip Jaeger
01-27-16, 03:36
Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
Agree with most of what you said, especially in the larger bars, but even in the smaller bars they will usually steer you towards their friends or a girl who has not been bar fined in while (and consequently will give the waitress or mama a larger commission). About the only time I consult a mama or waitress is if I want something specific like a bi girl (lesbian as they call them here) or a 3 holer.
As to conversation, it's a crap shoot, but as others have said the majority are uneducated province girls with a lot of space between their ears.
At Tass.
One tatic for checking out the talent in some of the smaller bars is to simply tell the door girl who escorts you in or the waitress that you're looking for your friend. Then take walk thru the bar and check out the girls.
If you see some you like then buying yourself a drink, even just a soda or juice, is pretty much a given. To get rid of the pesky waitresses or bar girls who want to sit with you then you and want you buy them LD's then you need to learn a simple phrase: "In a while". In Pinay speak that can mean anything from a few seconds to never, LOL. Simply ask them to leave and tell them "maybe in while".
I always tip the waitress who brings my drinks, but then again I'm not a koripot budget traveler.
BrainDrain
01-27-16, 03:57
Thom nice reports.
In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.
.Absolutely agree with the 'patronizing' treatment. They make you feel like a king, fold your clothes, wash your back, polish your balls, swallow, carry bags, buy Globe load.
I find it is best to have a life outside of relying on them for conversation though.
NapaSlapper
01-27-16, 04:44
Chris long,
Your idea of only buying single lady drinks to girls who say they will barfine is not fool proof IMHO, here's why.
Most bars have very few girls that are slim attractive or are my type, the type of girls I am attracted to have many choices, many asian guys willing to buy them many dld, s,
Now if one wants to stand a chance of maybe getting the top girls to barfine I find buying at least 1 dld is a good start.most top girls just do not accept sld,s even if they are the barfining type,its all about the money,top girls want guys that buy many dlds and show their willing to spend big,
After all, why would a top looking girl want to spend her time with a punter who only wants to buy a sld when she can sit with others that are willing to buy dld, s,tip her large, buy ballons. Make it rain etc etc, I know if I was a prostitute where I would spend my time.
As for buying drinks only for girls that promise of barfining, what's to stop the girl accepting the drinks, excusing herself to go to the loo and returning to claim she is sorry but she had started her period, or she has developed a stomach ache,a headache etc etc or even worse accepting the barfine and claiming she has mens back at the room when its to late to get any cash back,
I think the best advice to give you is to be very patient, yes a high majority of pretty / slim bargirls have no intention of barfining with anyone or they are very selective on who they will barfine with, accept this fact, if you want these type of girls then the only way to get them is to take the chance of buying them at least one drink, if they make excuses not to barfine then move on to the next, yes I know its a very frustrating and expensive way to do buisness but that is the new angeles city for you, no other choice where bars are concerned unfortunately.I think most all girls in the bar barfine even the young hot ones slim whatever. The entire culture there is conditioned to make you think if they don't want you it because they don't want anyone. Its simply not true. If you have game you can get the girls to go. If they don't want the whole system is evolved to let you down gracefully and not let you / them lose face. I suppose if you live there and are a denizen that gets to know the culture initmately on a daily basis for months on end you might be able make that judgement. But all almost all young hot tight girls are there to move to the next level of they find a possible 'Mr. Right".
Do not fall for the pressure sales from waitresses, bargirls, mamasans to buy everyone a drink, tip everyone, spend what you feel ok with not what they are ok with, as you have found out already buying drinks is no guarantee of getting laid in angeles, far from it. buy only the 1 dld and only for the girl i am interested in and nobody else in is how i roll in angeles,Yes they are used to getting rejected, buy the drinks for the girls you want to get to know better only. The loud waitress or mamsan will only inhibit you from getting toknow the girl you want to actually fuck better.
Want pinays that fuck for a living then Manila is a much better and a much easier choice but also much more expensive IMHO.AC girls are 90% amatuers which is what I want very true.
Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
Firstly who is to say that waitress knows any of the girls or is friends with any of the girls, she could have just started work that same day in the bar or last week and know very little of what goes on or who does what,of course if you offer to buy her a drink she will accept and maybe lie/bullshit,its all about the easy money she can earn not the welfare of the punter imho This is 100% true. How can any waitress know what I like? The girls are actually closely tight lipped about thier personally predilictions in the sack. Its a very conservative culture even in the bars. I suppose for example if you are obsessed with anal and one girl was famous for it or 3 somes etc it could help you. For me I am hopelessly conventional and no waitress / mamsan could know what makes me and a specific girl click.
Finally just an observation on the whole AC bargirls aren't like what they used to be and don't want to get barfined riff, its overblown. Is there a minute percentage that think thier shit doesn't stink or are kept women by some foriegner? Yeah but its so tiny. If they were truly taken care of they wouldn't be in AC. They will go with the right guy, just because its not you doesn't mean its no one. Maybe it was you 10 years ago but not you now. My game is on its waning crescent for sure. I still sometimes get 18 to 21 yo fresh girls where they all say, waitresses and mamsans, wow she doesn't go with anyone! But I know that won't last and often its BS. Its all alot of bullshit I know one day sooner rather than later they will run from me. Enjoy it while it lasts -to paraphrase cesaer, I think? The fault lies not in the bargirls dear brutus but in oursleves.
NapaSlapper
01-27-16, 08:43
Panlot,
agree with some of your post and respectfully not with other points.
Claiming anyone who has game can get the lookers to go is not my experience and not the experience of many of the younger / fit / good looking guys I have barhopped with in angeles.some only in their late 20s early 30s with all the good looks and game in the world,
Hell, some times the guys i was with were prettier / younger with better bodies than the bargirl and still got shot down.
What I and many are saying is that many of the better looking girls have worked out that they can earn far more cash staying in the bar and earning high drinks commisions, tips etc than to take the often much lower paid barfine option.
I know top angeles girls that are close friends that earn large amounts per month without fucking anyone, combining their salary, commisions and the love sick that insist on sending / giving monthly payments by western union mostly without even meeting the girl and they do very nicely indeed,
Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.
Yes I agree that guys should be clean, well mannered, brush their teeth, not be drunk etc etc but to the girls that have the looks and the body to earn large sums by not barfining this means very little, it is not a personal thing, she goes where the easy / most money is, after all she is a working girl so to be expected to chase the easy money IMHO.
Member #4698
01-27-16, 14:13
Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.
Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you.
So IMHO, it sounds like the AC bar culture has gone to the shit house if what you, NapaSlapper, and others are saying is correct. I don't know because I was last in AC in 2014 and had a pretty good time with a few great gals I met in Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile), La Bamba, and Shipwrecked (then One Eyed Wench). I always preferred punting in Manila even back then because I like hanging out in the big city over a small town. There is more to do and I like the anonymity in big city landscapes. I never much liked Atlantis or Dollhouse. Even in 2014, it seemed to me that Atlantis and Dollhouse girls had their heads up their asses and all but a few of their girls were actually that good looking and worth it. I hate the MC guy too. He reminds me of an AM radio DJ circa the 60's and the Vietnam War.
Prior to the year of the raids, AC used to be one of the great watering holes in Asia. It has always been a sleazy one horse town, but it was our town and a lotta fun, with very accommodating girls and prices that were the lowest in Asia except for Phnom Penh. It's interesting to note that the P4P scene has also deteriorated sharply in Phomn Penh since 2010 with many hostess girls on their "mens" when it gets time to barfine them. Thank Buddha that Manila, BKK, Pattaya, and Jakarta are still great although prices in these places keep going up.
Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you..Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.
Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.
It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.
Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?
AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and excercise them.
Blanquiceleste
01-27-16, 15:41
1. There really isn't any common interests both of you will have for a conversation other than the weather. SNIP
2. To break the ice, SNIP
3. I always stock combs, toothbrushes, shampoo and hair conditioner SNIP
4. As pointed out in another thread, chocolates are a great way to keep the girl around for long. I usually pile up some Toblerones and Hersheys Kisses on the study table. Girls squeal in delight when they see it and I tell them they can take some of it when they leave in the morning (thereby implying that she needs to stay for long time). Some girls don't get the hint and then I have to explain clearly that the chocolate is an incentive for staying long time. Other stuff like chips, peanuts, etc could also be used as bait, but none of these are as effective as chocolate.
As for conversation I have always found food to be a great ice breaker. Although I will opine that Filipino food is among the worst cuisines I have come across, it still makes interesting conversation. Also, you can talk about music if you are into it. Most Pinays are good with music. You could ask her to dance in private for you and applaud her on every move, she will love it.
Blanquiceleste
01-27-16, 16:00
Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.
Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.
It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.
Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?
AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and exercise them.I have to agree with Pantot. I was in Manila from 27 Dec to 30 Dec and then in AC from 30 Dec to 04 Jan. I have reported both stays in respective threads and I had an absolutely rocking time in AC. Not one day did I got to bed without a girl, not one morning did I wake up alone. Not one afternoon did I take a peaceful nap, LOL. Barring ONE girl in Viking who refused to barfine, every other girl I picked in any bar on Fields and Perimeter was willing to fuck for money. If the narrative was true then my rejection rate should have been higher.
I hope the damn law of averages doesn't catch up with me the next time I am there.
Mr Enternational
01-28-16, 01:24
I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)
As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?
Fast Eddie 48
01-28-16, 02:56
I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)
As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?To Mr Enternational.
Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.
Fast eddie 48.
Pip Jaeger
01-28-16, 03:56
To Mr Enternational.
Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.
Fast eddie 48.
SNIP He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. SNIP The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. SNIP When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:
1 day plus 1 night = 2.
2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?
Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:
1 day plus 1 night = 2.
2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?Quite possibly as simple as the desk clerk was cuzsin to trike driver.
Might help to change Asian name from Fuk Yu.
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