Angeles City

[BeachBoy46]

The saying YMMV could not be more relevant. AngelWitch / Roadhouse and Gekos are my two favorite bars in AC. Sure, some are a little chubby but all are happy and smiling and great fun to have a drink with. It may be all about fucking but it should be all about fun as well.Go to Angel Witch for the best 70/80's Rock Music. None of that heavy OOMPA shit. Girls are very friendly and the manager Chris is a very hospitable guy.

I have great fun at Gekos. Head straight to the table right down the end. The girls will fuck off if they are resting there. Some great things happen at that table, mostly wandering hands under it. Last time I bought a drink for two girlsAnd after 2 minutes one said"Can I see your little chicken" Well of course baby. Out came my cock and she kept it warm for about an hour, only stopping for reverse body shots. Took her home $2500 for the best GFE sex. These bars are great places to have many laughs. The girls love a happy smiling guy. They really get into it.

BTW I have no connection with these places. Just make them my first port of call every trip. BB.

[Tasss]

Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations!

[NapaSlapper]

I have to agree with Pantot. I was in Manila from 27 Dec to 30 Dec and then in AC from 30 Dec to 04 Jan. I have reported both stays in respective threads and I had an absolutely rocking time in AC. Not one day did I got to bed without a girl, not one morning did I wake up alone. Not one afternoon did I take a peaceful nap, LOL. Barring ONE girl in Viking who refused to barfine, every other girl I picked in any bar on Fields and Perimeter was willing to fuck for money. If the narrative was true then my rejection rate should have been higher.

I hope the damn law of averages doesn't catch up with me the next time I am there.With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

What we are saying though is that its very difficult to get laid by the better looking,slim,younger girls,

I get many not so attractive angeles girls. Chubby angeles girls, older angeles girls offering their services, I just am not interested in these type of girls at all, not even for free.

I am how ever genuinely happy for you that you are managing to find YOUR type of girl easy to barfine.

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.

[NapaSlapper]

Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations!Wow, things are obviously worse than I thought in angeles.

Let me get this straight, you paid barfine for 2 slightly older, average looking perimeter road girls, took them out to eat, paid for drinks all night in the bars and KTV clubs at probably great expense and the girls refused to give more than 1 pop between them, Wow, don't tell me you tipped them too.

I could understand this behavior by the want to be princess walking st girls but perimeter girls, seriously.

And some on this board swear blind that angeles is the go to place for maximum fun LOL,

Anyways, keep smiling, it surely can only get better from here on.

[Blanquiceleste]

With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

SNIP

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.If I understand correctly, your previous posts do not have the same drift. At least I do not see it that way. You are absolutely right about one man's meat being another's poison. So let us move on with this discussion of whether people can get laid in AC or not. There are plenty of fish in that ocean for all of us to eat. Unless you want fresh deer meat on a boat in the middle of the sea.

[Krum Lov]

Hi,

Can peeps please confirm the blowjob bars in Santos Street are still 800 PhP per pop?

Thanks kindly.

[Surfer500]

I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)

As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?With the stunt they tried to pull on you I would not of used a charge card to pay for the room as they may try to charge you the 2,500 per night on your card somehow.

[Surfer500]

Again, lots of good advice and opinions on this board. To answer a few questions from before regarding no LT, I'm in my early 30's, not in bad shape but on the thinner side.

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Yesterday was Day 3 which was more interesting. I went over to Perimeter Rd. Despite the reports that Perimeter has no lookers, I found a couple to my liking at After School. There was a fit 24 yo on stage, avg to slightly above avg looks. I asked her if she has a friend and she introduced me to another girl. We chatted up and ended up BF'ing them both.

After our 3-some session at my hotel, I was ready for them to tell me they want to leave, but they decided to stay. We had dinner, went barhopping a bit, went to KTV. Pretty good fun. But when we went back to the hotel around 12 midnight, no more sex. No sex the next morning either. Slightly disappointed with the single shot on goal. I thought multiples was a given with LT but apparently I was wrong. Next time I guess I'll just have to be straightforward during negotiations!If your looking for a girl to do LT with I suggest you try taking one at a time and hopefully you will click with one that wants to stay with you. When you asked the 24 year old if she had a friend, she chose one of her best friends and they partied at your expense. During my stay last week in the Philippines I had a hard time getting rid of the girls, they all wanted to stay and would me send me texts / call to repeat.

[Tasss]

Wow, things are obviously worse than I thought in angeles.

Let me get this straight, you paid barfine for 2 slightly older, average looking perimeter road girls, took them out to eat, paid for drinks all night in the bars and KTV clubs at probably great expense and the girls refused to give more than 1 pop between them, Wow, don't tell me you tipped them too.

I could understand this behavior by the want to be princess walking st girls but perimeter girls, seriously.

And some on this board swear blind that angeles is the go to place for maximum fun LOL,

Anyways, keep smiling, it surely can only get better from here on.Did not tip them. I figured the meals and KTV were enough payment. I mean I enjoyed their company, but the main event was cut in half or less.

Obviously I have no personal experience with AC from several years ago. But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.

[Dark Vader]

Hi,

Can peeps please confirm the blowjob bars in Santos Street are still 800 PhP per pop?

Thanks kindly.There's not that many of them but yes other than WoW bar which is 1000 PhP.

[Mr Enternational]

Day 2 I had another ST'er from Gecko. 1 round and she was out. Is there now a ST option? I still have not heard anybody mention one. How much is it?

I was in Shipwrecked with some friends who live here this afteroon at 3 pm. The BF there is 2400 pesos. I asked one girl how long she would stay for that and she said LT. I said yeah but how long is that? She said until tomorrow morning at 11 am. So 18 hours for 2400 pesos. For you Americans, that is $2.79/hour for some ass. That is less than it costs to park your car in many metropolitan areas. Maybe some guys just are not doing something right.

FYI: This girl is from Leyte and said her cousin who works at another bar is the one who got her to come to AC to work. She said she makes 3 bfs/month and gets 1000 from each one. Her lady drink comission is: SM Light 100 pesos, mixed drink 50 pesos, tequila 100 pesos. She didn't know why she got paid so much for the tequila.

[NapaSlapper]

Did not tip them. I figured the meals and KTV were enough payment. I mean I enjoyed their company, but the main event was cut in half or less.

Obviously I have no personal experience with AC from several years ago. But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.Tasss, let me first say, I don't think you are doing much wrong, as I said to you before welcome to the new angeles.

When I am there I look on all encounters as short time 1 pop because that is mostly what all the young pretty girls want these days, if the girl decides to stay long time or give more than 1 pop then I take this as an unexpected bonus.

Regardless of what the girl agrees to in the bar there is no way one can force a girl to stay or to do the xyz she said she would in the bar.

Yes who ever told you Angeles way way better few years ago was correct, angeles was also noticably much better before all the major bar raids started some 5-6 years ago,

Back before the raids long time was the standard from all girls with multiple pops even from the best looking girls,Blow jobs dished out in most bars while you enjoyed your drink,some times by multiple girls,lock in parties where it was a free for all, as you have found out this no longer is true by any stretch of the imagination,

Best advice I can give so that you make the most of your trip is to accept todays reality,those past years are gone,

As I said keep smiling there is little you can do to change the new angeles,go with the flow,yes i know its not ideal, above all don't listen to the guys that will tell you it could not possibly be the girls fault it must only be 100% your fault,

Keep us posted.

[LifeIsABeach]

I was in Shipwrecked with some friends who live here this afteroon at 3 pm. The BF there is 2400 pesos. I asked one girl how long she would stay for that and she said LTHow are you able to be in Colombia and Philippines at the same time?

[Mr Enternational]

How are you able to be in Colombia and Philippines at the same time?I am not. I left Colombia 12 days ago. I arrived in Philippines 2 nights ago.

[Tasss]

Is there now a ST option? I still have not heard anybody mention one. How much is it?I don't think there's really such an option. So far it's just between what the girl and I want to do. ST tips are simply less than LT tips.

It's kind of unexpected, but right now I think I'm enjoying the ST experience better than the LT. I think if you've got things to occupy yourself with when you're not with a girl, the ST route may be more suitable. It might be silly but I find that staying at the hotel, conversing with friends online, watching a movie etc beats having to deal with long awkward moments of silence and the girl playing with her phone all the time.

[Krum Lov]

Thanks Vader. It's funny how WoW bar charges 1,000 and not 800 PhP. Any idea why they're more expensive?


There's not that many of them but yes other than WoW bar which is 1000 PhP.

[Axiata]

With all due respect, Nobody is saying that guys cannot get laid in angeles period

What we are saying though is that its very difficult to get laid by the better looking,slim,younger girls,

I get many not so attractive angeles girls. Chubby angeles girls, older angeles girls offering their services, I just am not interested in these type of girls at all, not even for free.

I am how ever genuinely happy for you that you are managing to find YOUR type of girl easy to barfine.

But remember YOUR type of girl might not be my type of girl or other board members type of girl.Just finished a tour of AC and read some of the reports of walking street girls and the perimeter bars. In short I had 4 days to try both the day and night action.

The daytime bars have good pickings and I found ice bar and fire pit to be the most lively and most girls. Took girls from fire pit and both were ST and both performed. Left at 8 pm which suited me fine. Only had one rejection from fire pit. She claimed she was already bar fined by long time customer!

I also got some daytime LT action from Ponytails. There was a good selection of girls when I got there and their attitude was great. Girl was great fun with excellent attitude and good performer.

The walking street action was very mixed. Most of smaller bars had average girls and few customers. Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good. Kings Landing had better girls and they were more fun and accommodating. A few small bars I tried I did get a no bar fine response from what I would call average girls. They were just not interested yet the bar was empty and they still said no. Strange but I just moved on.

Q bar was not good but I did find a real gem in Red Bar. Took her for a long time and we had a great night that ended up with two fabulous sessions. Unexpected as Q bar was not on my radar to visit. Did not enjoy being in it on my last trip but this time it was better.

Ra Bar is tricky. Good looking girls but the waitresses are too pushy for drinks. Tried a few other bars Bar Hopping and the one next to it. Both had few girls but Bar Hopping the girls were at least enjoying their work.

Not at lot of punters around but still a lot of girls. Visited High Society as well and it was pumping by 2 am. Lots of girls giving guys a good look. Did not take any girls from there as I had my own with me. Did see a lot of hook ups taking place though.

So in summary. The girls on perimeter were good fun and IMHO just as good as the ones on walking street. In the end if you are prepared to hunt then there is quality to be found. If you want 9's and 10's, not sure that there are that many around. Then again, I did not go to all the bars in AC!

Happy mongering.

[Blanquiceleste]

Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good. Word on the street is that Shipwreck recruited the mamasan and the whole busload of girls from Arcadia following a spat between the manager at Arcadia and the mamasan. Possibly they came with the same lousy attitude.

In response Arcadia raided Equus leaving that bar a bit dry.

[Blanquiceleste]

But a guy who's been here for several years told me before that there was a lot more excitement even two years back. According to his words, it's a lot more commercial than before and the girls are here mainly to pay their bills. I can personally observe that a lot of the dancers just seem really bored and I wasn't sure if that was the norm.When was AC even non-commercial? Everything had a price, the only difference being the girls did not have other alternative sources of income. That has changed for sure and this change is here to stay.

About bills, the girls worked at the bars 10,8, 6, 4 years ago to pay their bills. Except that the bills have got bigger thanks to inflation and lifestyle choices. More mouths to feed too. 10 years back the population was around 80 mn and now its crossed a 100 mn.

All this said I think there is still plenty of opportunity to get laid every single day on a holiday with a different girl. If not, one should review your expectations and actions.

[NapaSlapper]

All this said I think there is still plenty of opportunity to get laid every single day on a holiday with a different girl. If not, one should review your expectations and actions.We are going around in circles, yes we know that its possible to get laid in angeles every single day if one is willing to review (lower) their expectations as you suggest.

Its also possible to get laid at home by lowering ones expectations, mostly for free.

[Mr Enternational]

Shipwrecked has got a lot more girls but attitude is not good.And see this is the exact reason why you must go experience for yourself. Two posters (me and Axiata) with opposing views on the same place. I had a blast in Shipwrecked with the mamasan, waitresses, and the dancers who came to sit and talk. And I bought a grand total of 0 lady drinks and was never asked to buy one. All I had was the usual 1 Gatorade for I think 50 pesos. I tend to make my own fun and do not wait for fun to find me.

[Mr Enternational]

We are going around in circles, yes we know that its possible to get laid in angeles every single day if one is willing to review (lower) their expectations as you suggest.I agree that we are going around in circles. And I still don't understand the guys who say there is no quality. I know they want a 20 year old that is skinny to the bone with no kids and flat stomach. I still do not see a shortage of girls fitting that description for those of you who fancy that. And even if you guys can't find that particular girl there is still no reason to act like all the women in AC are absolutely horrid.

I don't go in like Inspector Gadger searching for a particular type girl. I just go to have fun and let the chips fall where they may. To me that is what AC is about. If you are so anal about a particular type then it may be best to search the internet for hookers from the comfort of your own recliner until you come up with the one that suits your taste. I find it a damn shame if you can come to AC and not be able to find at least 1 nice girl to fuck each day. I'm seeing a countless number that I would not mind fucking.

[Sxxxx]

As I have said before the bars should introduce two tier bar fines. BF for ST and BF for LT. ST / LT length and pops dictated by bar. The first bar to do this will be very popular, cause its what the punters want right now (clarification).

Then other bars will follow. Bars and girls will make more money and guys will be happy, that is, its clear what they are getting (ST or LT). Legitimate refund of LT fee portion, if girl decides in room she is now ST.

Or is this too honest a system, and never work, LOL. An honest trader, basing his bar, on the above, would have a very busy and prosperous bar indeed. Angeles would have a resurgence, and everyone would be happy.

I have a dream.

[NapaSlapper]

I agree that we are going around in circles. And I still don't understand the guys who say there is no quality. I know they want a 20 year old that is skinny to the bone with no kids and flat stomach. I still do not see a shortage of girls fitting that description for those of you who fancy that. And even if you guys can't find that particular girl there is still no reason to act like all the women in AC are absolutely horrid.

I don't go in like Inspector Gadger searching for a particular type girl. I just go to have fun and let the chips fall where they may. To me that is what AC is about. If you are so anal about a particular type then it may be best to search the internet for hookers from the comfort of your own recliner until you come up with the one that suits your taste. I find it a damn shame if you can come to AC and not be able to find at least 1 nice girl to fuck each day. I'm seeing a countless number that I would not mind fucking.With the greatest of respect Mr E.

If my memory serves me right You have previously made clear that your girl standards are mostly not the highest, I think you even commented recently that you would even fuck the angeles mamasans LOL.

Thats fine, that's what you like, so be it.

Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

Nobody is how ever saying that there are not a few pretty girls in angeles,some will fuck some refuse to fuck, so if one is willing to enter many bars, buy many lady drinks and hunt high and low all over angeles then it might be possible to find a girl for the night, especially if one is willing to lower their expectations with every refusal,

[NapaSlapper]

As I have said before the bars should introduce two tier bar fines. BF for ST and BF for LT. ST / LT length and pops dictated by bar. The first bar to do this will be very popular, cause its what the punters want right now (clarification).

Then other bars will follow. Bars and girls will make more money and guys will be happy, that is, its clear what they are getting (ST or LT). Legitimate refund of LT fee portion, if girl decides in room she is now ST.

Or is this too honest a system, and never work, LOL. An honest trader, basing his bar, on the above, would have a very busy and prosperous bar indeed. Angeles would have a resurgence, and everyone would be happy.

I have a dream.Sxxxx, you know as well as I do st rates are never going to happen, which buisness owner the world over accepts less cash for the same product.

As far as refunds, prostitution is 100% illegal in phills as you already know, which bar owner in their right mind is going to admit he sells pussy by offering refunds.

Unfortunately, we are left with the present system, but like you I also have your dream.

[ThomKatt]

Hey fellas,

Sorry for the late report, been on the road. Anyways, here's the follow up to my second night in Angeles. I ate dinner at the taqueria on walking street, which wasn't a smart idea, I also had a beer with it. My stomach started to feel funny, so I went to the pharmacy and bought some imodium, which I didn't take because I took a dump and my stomach felt much better. Anyways, I said I was going to go back to Qbar to barfine the other waitress, but I also wanted to see if there was a better selection in the other bars I have not visited yet.

I head into Champagne bar first. 6 girls, 2 or 3 lookers. Maybe 5 customers. I like that the place plays latin music and has dance videos that the girls try to mimick, at least they're getting exercise! The next rotation was in 30 minutes, not quick enough for me to stay.

Into salamdo bar. I'm starting to like the variety many of these bars have, instead of the lazy shuffle on stage. The girls here dance around in rotation, which is good because I can see the front and back of all the girls. Also the girls seemed to be having a lot of fun here, although not many lookers, I'd say out of the 15+ girls, I thought maybe 1 or 2 were good looking. There were a good amount of customers here, and they kept throwing the bucket of balls onto stage and even pulling on the rope to release the balls from top. I stayed long enough for two rotations.

Next stop, lollipop. Wow oh wow. So many beauties in here. At least half of the girls were good looking. I did see two girls who were on the heavy side though, but I'm sure some of you guys like that, or barfine them because the service must be exceptional right? I saw one girl with an amazing tight and hot body, and her face was pretty, I didn't want to lady drink her just yet until I saw the rest of the selection. There were a decent amount of customers in here. Right when I was about to lady drink the first girl I saw, the most beautiful girl walks in front of me and onto the stage. Her body is fantastic, she's the one. I'm going to lady drink her, but I couldn't find my waitress, and by the time I get her to get the girl, some other guy gets her! DAMN! If you hesistate, someone else will take her away. Oh well, just go back to my original choice. Her name is Sherry Lou, 18. She was really fun and flirty, but she doesn't do CIM, which is a deal breaker for me. Barfine is 3000 for ST. WTF? I noticed a lot of koreans in the PH. These fuckers are jacking up the prices of everything because they don't know how to monger properly. Someone start an ISG but in Korean please!

Well, I keep having bad luck, so I'm just going to head back to Qbar and barfine that waitress. I go in, she sees me and chats with me. Trixie from the night before also comes over and starts talking about our session. I complain that she didn't kiss me (the second time around) nor sucked my johnson. She said she's new. Whatever, so the waitresses name is Jenny, but she barfines all the time, so she's definitely experienced. Barfine is 2400, LT (3 pops), will kiss, BBBJ, and CIM. It's a done deal. We head to Skytraxx because another member here suggested it's another discoteque, but the place sucks. Music's too loud, no one dancing, super smoky. High society is much better. We leave after one drink as my stomach is getting restless from all the beer I've been drinking from the past 2 days.

Get to my hotel, and we get down to business. She has no breasts to speak of, but a nice tiny butt. She's 26 with a kid, but you can't tell from her body. We kiss, she bbbjs me, but doesn't like to be looked at because she's shy, whatever, all the same. She puts the hat on, rides me for awhile, and then I take over and put her in mish. While I'm pounding her, she looks at me deeply in the eyes with her big round doe eyes, moaning and panting, my goodness, this drives me insane. She also sounds like a japanese pornstar, where she's in pleasure from the pain. She's soaking wet, and I pop. Unfortunately, my stomach is in knots from all of the beer and shaking. I'm in massive pain. There's no way I can continue and really don't care about the morning as well, so I asked her to leave and she's very thankful. I give her a nice tip (for what she would have provided) and sent her on her way.

I can understand why people love Angeles, it's cheap, fun, convenient, and not so in-your-face like thailand. Like I've said, it's not my cup of tea. Having been to Manila, I much prefer it more, although the prices are higher, but the selection so much better. I don't see myself returning, unless it goes back to its former glory days, which it won't.

[Mr Enternational]

With the greatest of respect Mr E.

If my memory serves me right You have previously made clear that your girl standards are mostly not the highest, I think you even commented recently that you would even fuck the angeles mamasans LOL.

Thats fine, that's what you like, so be it.

Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

Nobody is how ever saying that there are not a few pretty girls in angeles,some will fuck some refuse to fuck, so if one is willing to enter many bars, buy many lady drinks and hunt high and low all over angeles then it might be possible to find a girl for the night, especially if one is willing to lower their expectations with every refusal,To me that is what is throwing us in circles. One person saying AC sucks and the next person saying AC is great. People come on talking about quality but post no examples. Even if they did, quality is subjective so what one monger thinks is a stunner, the next monger may not touch with a 10 foot pole. If we had a picture chart then I think everyone could come to a better conclusion. In AC you will find girls like A,B,C. In AC you will not find girls like D,E,F. That way people would know what to expect and would not go to AC looking for the chick who won Miss Universe and be disgruntled when they did not find her.

[Mr Enternational]

Dropped my things at the hotel and went out to High Society. It was a Wednesday night and there was no cover charge. I walked in and went to the bar to buy a rum and coke for 120 pesos. As soon as I turned around from the bar I saw the girl I was taking. I went right over and sat on the box next to her and started talking. She said her friend was at the bar buying a drink and she was waiting for her to come back. I said that is fine but we will be leaving together as soon as I finish this drink. Her friend came over with 2 drinks and handed her one. I didn't get it because she was not even half finished the drink that she had. So she sat the new one on the table.

She spoke to her friend in Tagalog and told her that she would be going with me. The friend kept telling me to take care of the girl I was talking to. I said you need to tell her to take care of me. The friend said she would leave and go home when she finished her drink because she didn't want to stay there alone. And let me tell you this friend looked like a fucking model. I told her if you did stay then you wouldn't be alone for long. But she soon finished her drink and left.

My girl had on high heels. I asked her if she had other shoes in her bag and she said no. I told her that she is going to have a long walk back to the hotel. When we got to the hotel it was on and poppin as usual. She looked like a midget without the heels. I could not beat this girl off of me. She even slept with my dick in her hand. I woke up about 8 and started looking at shows on my tablet. When she opened her eyes and saw me awake she jumped right on top of my dick. She had me pulling the damn sheets off the mattress. After I skeeted she kept on like she was riding off into the sunset. I finally told her that was enough and she said that she didn't cum yet. I told her well you better be faster next time. We went back off to sleep.

I woke up at 11 and started getting ready because I had to meet up with friends at noon. After I was fully ready I woke her up and told her that I was about to leave. She went and took a shower and I slipped 1500 pesos into her purse. As soon as she came out of the shower she went over to her purse and opened it and saw the money. She was happy. She put her club clothes back on and we left out together. She went her way and I went to meet my buddies at Kokomo's. I started to tell her to send her friend to me later on, but the best part of mongering to me is going out for the hunt.

[Blanquiceleste]

And see this is the exact reason why you must go experience for yourself. Two posters (me and Axiata) with opposing views on the same place. I had a blast in Shipwrecked with the mamasan, waitresses, and the dancers who came to sit and talk. And I bought a grand total of 0 lady drinks and was never asked to buy one. All I had was the usual 1 Gatorade for I think 50 pesos. I tend to make my own fun and do not wait for fun to find me.Where is that LIKE button?

Mr. E for President!

[Blanquiceleste]

Most guys I know want to fuck the best looking girls in life though, the ones they can't get for free back home, after all they are travelling at great expense, paying ever increasing bar fine rates,hotel rates etc etc

And after spending so much money just to get to AC and stay here, what is better? Find a girl to fuck. Or complain about the poor quality and rising prices and diva attitudes of the girls and sleep with your cock in your hand? What is better?

[ThomKatt]

Well, everytime I have my dick in my hand, I save about $40-$600 (depending on girl and country). I've never had a problem barfining a girl. Personally, I date pretty hot women. So if I'm paying for it, she better be the best looking one in the entire place. So yes, I came looking for gorgeous women, and I will hunt all night until I find her/them. The periods or "mens" excuse has never happened to me, *knock on wood, my wood* haha.

I did notice filipinas have really bad teeth. Many have braces. They also get super bored on stage. I feel most of the women are thinking "I just want to go home and not have to bang anyone".

[Tasss]

When was AC even non-commercial?Let's not mince words here, you know what I mean. More "commercial" meaning there are no extras to the service, not as much excitement and friendliness. Besides it's someone else's words, and like I said I have no frame of reference whether that's true or not. I report as I see it and if I use someone else's words I'll point that out.

Last night met with a fellow ISGer (won't say who for privacy reasons), and we went to High Society at the end of the night. My friend ended up with a girl in his arms while I was scouring the club so I left him to his thing. In the meantime I found a pretty gorgeous freelancer myself who was entertaining to talk to for once. Highlight of my trip thus far.

[NapaSlapper]

And after spending so much money just to get to AC and stay here, what is better? Find a girl to fuck. Or complain about the poor quality and rising prices and diva attitudes of the girls and sleep with your cock in your hand? What is better?With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.

[X Man]

Congratulations on your high achievement.


With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Easiest solution for a monger is accept that angeles is hard work and move on to Manila where there are many many more choices and the girls all fuck for a living.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.

[NapaSlapper]

Congratulations on your high achievement.Been on the bottle again I see X LOL.

[Pantot]

With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.Maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of Angeles?

Since you are there I'm assuming you like purebred Pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the TV Novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in TV and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in AC bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in Manila I don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the Visayas are much more attractive then the TV Movie types. Thats the majority of AC bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in AC without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what I want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well I can't that's for damned sure. I was born when JFK was in the White House, and although I'm in decent shape I'm not Brad Pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why I go to the Phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to Thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and I just wasn't impressed. Hell I could still nail young fresh girls at home so I didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

AC is a place for older and just plain old men.

[Mr Enternational]

If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?

[WestCoast1]

If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?To make you feel good about barfining.

[Pantot]

To make you feel good about barfining.I always wondered how thorough those health checks are? Here in the worlds most expensive, best (cough cough) health system in the world it takes a week+ to get back a result on a simple comprehensive STD test. By then a popular bargirl could be a typhoid Ma.

But I have to say I am the one of the worst offenders when it comes to safe sex, well I'm not into anal so maybe not that bad, but I have never got an STD from a bar girl. I think. I attribute all my maladies I have contracted to local AC girls picked up in the streets or through friend of a private mamasan etc. I don't think any of the AC bargirls gave it to me. Same for non pro girls in the provinces, I never caught anything from them in them.

I can't be sure this is not an exact science but that's my best guess. When I stuck to bargirls and GF's and province non pros on a trip I always came home clean. The only time I came home infected was from AC street meat or local sluts. I almost never monger in Manila if I can avoid it so that isn't part of the mix.

[Mr Enternational]

Everybody here knows that I am a cheapskate. I am not buying any lady drinks. I am not buying any ping pong balls. And I am not paying "going rate" for any ass.

Yesterday I was sitting at Kokomo's with my friend who has been living in AC over a year. A man came through selling NFL jerseys and my buddy told the guy that he was never buying anything from him again. See a couple of days earlier my buddy had bought a Jersey from him for 1000 pesos. He got mad because afterwards the man sold a Jersey to another friend of ours for 700 pesos. I said dude I would not have paid that much for it. 300 is the most I would pay. The guy commenced trying to sell me one for 700. I told him no and he finally walked off.

Later on in the day when I left my hotel and was on the way to Kokomo's again, I ran into the same guy. He still wanted me to buy a Jersey for 700. I told him no, only 300. He said okay but do not let anybody know. When I got down to Kokomo's I asked who wanted to buy the Jersey for 500. I told my friend that there is no reason to get angry with the guy. This is Asia and you are expected to bargain. If you fail to do that because you do not know how or you do not want to seem like a cheapskate then that is on you. I didn't want to buy a freaking Jersey. I just bought it for the principle to show that you are supposed to fucking bargain.

It is the same with women. Another guy asked me how much a particular girl charges (I met her as a FL, but turns out she works in a gogo - report later). I said how much does she charge or how much do I give her? Because I don't ask any prices I just give them what I want (between 1000 and 1500) the next morning. And I have not heard a complaint yet and many have come back again.

[Worf1972]

maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of angeles?

Since you are there i'm assuming you like purebred pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the tv novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in tv and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in ac bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in manila i don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the visayas are much more attractive then the tv movie types. Thats the majority of ac bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in ac without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what i want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well i can't that's for damned sure. I was born when jfk was in the white house, and although i'm in decent shape i'm not brad pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why i go to the phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and i just wasn't impressed. Hell i could still nail young fresh girls at home so i didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

Ac is a place for older and just plain old men.preach brother preach! !

[NapaSlapper]

Maybe you are too young too appreciate the girls of Angeles?

Since you are there I'm assuming you like purebred Pinays in general? You arent going to find any who look like the ones on the TV Novellas. The girls in the bars are usually all pure pinay or an ugly duckling half foreigner abandoned girl. The ones in TV and the movies virtually all have foriegn blood and are probably more spoiled than western women, if that's what you are searching for you will not find it in AC bars. Maybe you can find high priced call girls like that in Manila I don't know it never interested me.

For me the young girls from the Visayas are much more attractive then the TV Movie types. Thats the majority of AC bar girls. Petite clear brown skin flat nose big dark eyes black long hair small tits small round ass. I never made it 12 hours in AC without dipping the wick. I have always went for the 18 to 24 yo with no kids tight body and never had a problem finding what I want there in the bars.

I know you mentioned you could get what they offer for free at home, well I can't that's for damned sure. I was born when JFK was in the White House, and although I'm in decent shape I'm not Brad Pitt and pretty college age girls arent going to want too be with me in my country or anywhere in the west for that matter. Thats why I go to the Phils.

Back in the late '80's and early '90's my much older brother used to go to Thailand often and told me about the girls and showed me pictures and I just wasn't impressed. Hell I could still nail young fresh girls at home so I didn't see the point. Time and aging had a way of changing my attitude.

AC is a place for older and just plain old men.Pantot, thanks for your reply, some interesting points.

I am mid 40's so not that young, ok I am luckily tall, in good shape with a full head of hair, I live full time in thailand so getting free or paid pussy has never been a problem here.

What I am saying though is that I have been visiting the phills for coming up to 20 years, mostly buisiness but pleasure too, so I was in my mid 20's when I first visited, back a few years bars were full of 18-19-20 year old very attractive girls, I had no problem finding easily many girls in all bars that I would be more than happy to barfine, and did, mostly several times per day, so I don't think its a case of me not liking normal pinay bargirls.

In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid,

Where walking st bars once employed hundreds of girls each and perimeter bars all had 50+ girls each they now have much smaller numbers of girls each so obviously its much harder to find the better looking girls out of few girls employed.

Many would be bargirls now have many more choices than not to enter the bar, freelancing in the discos is very popular, cam work is highly paid and popular, girls working the internet to find lonely men to send monthly payments is big and highly paid etc etc.

All I am saying is that with every year angeles has fewer and fewer good looking younger girls working in the bars, at the moment if one is even the slightest bit fussy then having to search many bars to find that one girl you like is normal as has been reported by many recent trip reports.

So in summing up,I know for me I always liked the look of pinays, what I am looking for in the bars has never changed, years ago I was like a kid in a candy shop now most times I am left frustrated, annoyed at the lack of pretty girls and mostly their princess attitude when you do find one, why do they develop princess attitude is that in todays angeles many many guys, especially asians are desperately chasing those few girls that look good, throw countless drinks at them, throw hanfulls of money over balconies at them, tip them for even sitting with them, throw balls, poppers and most time the asians won't even barfine the girls because their type of fun is mostly had in the bar, hence the princess was born, not trying to bash angeles, just trying to be honest in what I see and experience.

[NapaSlapper]

I always wondered how thorough those health checks are? Here in the worlds most expensive, best (cough cough) health system in the world it takes a week+ to get back a result on a simple comprehensive STD test. By then a popular bargirl could be a typhoid Ma.

But I have to say I am the one of the worst offenders when it comes to safe sex, well I'm not into anal so maybe not that bad, but I have never got an STD from a bar girl. I think. I attribute all my maladies I have contracted to local AC girls picked up in the streets or through friend of a private mamasan etc. I don't think any of the AC bargirls gave it to me. Same for non pro girls in the provinces, I never caught anything from them in them.

I can't be sure this is not an exact science but that's my best guess. When I stuck to bargirls and GF's and province non pros on a trip I always came home clean. The only time I came home infected was from AC street meat or local sluts. I almost never monger in Manila if I can avoid it so that isn't part of the mix.Pantot, on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash.

At no time is blood taken from the girls during these tests, now I am no doctor but I do know for sure to test for aids or any std, s then blood is the only way of checking.

I did once go to hygeine with a girls in angeles, she was in and out in less than 2 minutes, she said the nurse takes a pap smear with a cotton wool bud (cancer check) only, she was always petrified of needles and if that was required believe me she would have never gone for hygiene LOL.

[Axiata]

Pantot, on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash.

At no time is blood taken from the girls during these tests, now I am no doctor but I do know for sure to test for aids or any std, s then blood is the only way of checking.

I did once go to hygeine with a girls in angeles, she was in and out in less than 2 minutes, she said the nurse takes a pap smear with a cotton wool bud (cancer check) only, she was always petrified of needles and if that was required believe me she would have never gone for hygiene LOL.Had a similar experience on my last trip. Girl said that she had to go for a smear, although she was clear it was a smear, not sure if she was altogether knowledgeable about what the smear was for. Interesting to know what the so called health checks that are performed actually are. With so many girls and so many bars I cannot see how the bars are keeping track of the girls that get infected or infect someone. Punters who get infected also would have little idea of which girl infected them let alone the girls who are shagging a lot of guys unprotected would know which guy infected them. In the end, it comes down to a punters own gut feelings about the girl and whether bareback is worth the risk. While on tour we all fall victim to the lure of bareback. Inevitably we will catch something but hopefully a shot in the arse is all we need to learn our lesson!

Happy and safe hunting.

[SugarDaddyBaby]

Pantot, thanks for your reply, some interesting points.

I am mid 40's so not that young, ok I am luckily tall, in good shape with a full head of hair, I live full time in thailand so getting free or paid pussy has never been a problem here.

What I am saying though is that I have been visiting the phills for coming up to 20 years, mostly buisiness but pleasure too, so I was in my mid 20's when I first visited, back a few years bars were full of 18-19-20 year old very attractive girls, I had no problem finding easily many girls in all bars that I would be more than happy to barfine, and did, mostly several times per day, so I don't think its a case of me not liking normal pinay bargirls.

In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid...I have been in Thailand for 8 years, then 2 years in the Philippines. I did obersve the same trend. Things are going downhill rapidly. The world population is aging and that is probably the first factor. Not sure if the second factor is due to wages improving of diversification of sources such as internet. But its definitely a fragmented scene now to the point I wonder of I still want to spend so much energy on this. Also I enjoy sex a lot, I know other enjoyable things to do. The best fucks I had in the Phils where girls I met in the street or using a intermediary girl. Its about network. The bar is already downstream and girls quickly have some attitudes.

[SugarDaddyBaby]

If prostitution is illegal, why do bar girls have to do health checks?Prostitution is illegal to keep the business in hand of a few which make money out of it.

You have to read 'prostitution is illegal' outside of the official tracks which have to give fakes added values such as HIV tests and customer.

Protection. Now its all consistent.

[IllusionHeart]

In the last 3-5 years I have found that angeles bars have struggled to attract nice looking women to work there, I know many angeles bar owners that constantly tell me, if you know any girls that want work send them to me, they all say, its so hard to get slim attractive girls to work here and if I do they are soon off.look at most angeles bars,most have huge signs outside them saying girls desperately needed,top salaries paid,

Where walking st bars once employed hundreds of girls each and perimeter bars all had 50+ girls each they now have much smaller numbers of girls each so obviously its much harder to find the better looking girls out of few girls employed.

All I am saying is that with every year angeles has fewer and fewer good looking younger girls working in the bars, at the moment if one is even the slightest bit fussy then having to search many bars to find that one girl you like is normal as has been reported by many recent trip reports.

Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.

[SugarDaddyBaby]

Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.I have a similar experience indeed. Well even in Bangkok, there are very few good looking FL in soy Nana. The mute girls are but they provide disastrous service. (quick and boring).

[Axiata]

Napa, I completely agree with Bars in AC struggling to find Slim & Young girls. I came across one in Champagne, she had come to AC to work in the bar basis comfort of a girl from her village / province working there. It was her braces which put me off but she was a slim and young 20 yr old girl, 2 months in town and barfined only couple of times mostly by Koreans / Japanese. She told me that she was here for the money. I didn't question aything as I was not interested in bfining her.

She knows her objective and within a short time will find out other means (FL, Internet, etc) to fulfill that. I don't think I will see that girl again on my next trip. Coming back, yes there is an effort to find slim & young gals. Same issue in Bangkok or Pattaya as well. But as mongers we need to take that in stride and adopt new ways of hunting.

My only hope is that things don't evolve in AC to the extent like Bangkok. I have completely avoided gogos during my last visits. Fortunately Bangkok does indeed have a vibrant alternate scene in terms of Soapies, Oilies and Discos which definitely is missing in AC. Now that would be a real issue for me. But the way things work in philippines I have comfort that things won't change so much so soon.It is all about the money. It was obvious to me and most people I spoke to in bars agreed that the number of punters in AC was down. Girls need to make money and if punters are not spending at bars they need to find other ways of extracting the cash. I do not blame them if they prefer Internet or FL over standing in bars for hours on end and not making any coin.

No money no honey.

[Krum Lov]

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / café shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

Thanks

[VicVeg]

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

ThanksIf you are looking for high end coffee and pastry etc, then try the pool area of the ABC hotel which is just a 5 minute walk from Margarita Station. Other than that, coffee shops like Starbucks don't exist there.

[Tasss]

So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.

[Pip Jaeger]

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

ThanksGrand Central Hotel; on walking street; it's on the right a little past Kokomo's as you're walking towards MacArthur Hwy. They also have a decent selection of pastries, cakes, etc.

Bretto's Sports Bar (formally Paradise Beer Garden) is also not bad.

Regardless of where you get your coffee be sure to ask for fresh brewed, otherwise you'll likely get instant or, even worse, you'll get that instant 3 in1 crap.

[NapaSlapper]

I have a similar experience indeed. Well even in Bangkok, there are very few good looking FL in soy Nana. The mute girls are but they provide disastrous service. (quick and boring).Last time I looked the freelancers around Nana were mainly ladyboys and the lower end of girls, it is an area for the 1st time visitor that does not know better.

Want attractive thai girls, top gogos like Baccara, soapies, freelancers in discos, and hundreds on mobile apps.

[Golfinho]

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station? Gustav Cafe, the one with the little Eiffel Tower out front.

[Dg8787]

Tasss,

By your post you are not sure if you either lost 5 k or a few K's to your FLer. It is best to keep track of the money in your pocket and once in the room put any excess amount over the agreed amount in your room safe. Lock the safe. Rookie mistake to volunteer your money like that but I am sure her family appreciates it.

There is no standard posted price for FL. There is no standard posted price for FL. Contrary to other comments there are no standard price. The price is up to you and the girl. Your fault for not getting agreement on it up front.

Never go to the police to report a crime of which you were involved in with the first crime by hiring the FL. You are lucky they didn't charge you with a "report filing fee" or a contribution to the retirement fund.

Btw, no need to carry your wallet with you. You only need to carry the current night's cash budget. I have not seen any FL or BG taking credit cards. That day might be coming soon with smart phones and apps but not for now.

Boom boom on sir.

DG8787.

[Dg8787]

Does anyone know of an OK coffee / caf shop within a 5-minute walk of the margarita station?

ThanksFor a great cup of coffee go to the RBI Steakhouse in the Queens Hotel. You can enjoy your coffee poolside or inside.

[IllusionHeart]

I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.

[Mr Enternational]

So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.The first rule of mongering is to lock your shit up.


So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500.Where did you read this? I JUST recently started giving them 1500 for LT. Before I had always given them 1000 LT. As a matter of fact the same girl that I gave 1500 2 nights ago, came over the next night at 9 pm and stayed until 5 am when I left AC and I gave her 1000. And I am already tired of her sending me messages and pictures.


She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave.It looks like she did think you were a mark, but you had her right where you wanted her. I thought you were a man of my own heart until you gave her more. Why did you give in?


I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds)The girl I mentioned before is a super hot door girl as well. And it looks like I spent less than half on her for 2 days than you spent on yours for 1 day.


Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.The prices of one place should never be compared to those of another. Do people from London go to Las Vegas and say well it was cheaper than back home? Or what do guys say when they go to places that are more expensive than home?

[ThomKatt]

So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.Isn't this the classic rookie mistake? Why would you trust a total stranger with anything valuable in your room? Before I go out, all of my stuff is locked up. When we get back to my room, all of the valuables in my clothes are put into the safe: phone, and money. You don't need to bring anything else.

I don't know about you guys, but for the people who brings a girl back to their place, fucks them, and then slips them money (whatever they felt was fair) into their purse is such a chump move. Seriously, you're being a big ass chump for doing this. ALWAYS NEGOTIATE FIRST, it will save you headaches and hassles later. If they fail to provide the services that they offered, renegotiate. See how when Tasss tried that shit and it didn't work? Guess what Tasss, you probably picked up a way hotter chick than most of these chumps that only slips 1500. I guarantee you that they are OVERPAYING these girls at 1500 because no hot girl will accept 1500 to bang a old and fat guy, unless they are desperate or bottom of the barrel types.

You spent a lot of money, but did you have a good time? Do you in your mind think it was worth it? Then don't give a fuck what other people think, it's your money, you do what you want with it. This forum is an informational site, not a purchasing guide. Don't let these cheap mofos bring you down, we all have different standards of beauty and service and different levels of comfort as far as spending is concerned. I really hate how almost everyone on this website makes everyone else feel bad for not paying the absolute minimum to every working girl.

[Screaming Beaver]

I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.I had heard Harry the Horse owned a piece of that place. He had a stroke several months ago so I'm sure if he is an owner he's looking to get out. The dining there is a forgettable experience, not to mention having lady boys gawking at all the customers.

[WestCoast1]

Tasss is a good guy, with good reports coming out of China for several years. His honest report is an indication of what happens when an experienced monger tries a new country on for size. Sometimes even experienced guys will make every newb mistake in the book (I have made one or two myself).

[WestCoast1]

It looks like she did think you were a mark, but you had her right where you wanted her. I thought you were a man of my own heart until you gave her more. Why did you give in?I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.

[Mr Enternational]

See how when Tasss tried that shit and it didn't work? Guess what Tasss, you probably picked up a way hotter chick than most of these chumps that only slips 1500. I guarantee you that they are OVERPAYING these girls at 1500 because no hot girl will accept 1500 to bang a old and fat guy, unless they are desperate or bottom of the barrel types.Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and is forced to pay more, but other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris:

My ex-girlfriend pays 2000 pesos/month to rent her house in AC.

A whole cooked chicken costs 140 pesos.

A haircut costs 100 pesos (price recently increased). The barber would have to cut 30 heads to make the 3000 pesos that guys think a bar girl should have for a few hours. (In Dumagette a haircut cost me 40 pesos.)

It costs 360 pesos to get from Manila airport to AC.

Four hours in a professional spa in AC costs 1200 pesos.

If you think I am bad for paying 1500, a lot of the expats around there are giving girls 500 pesos.

This forum is an informational site, not a purchasing guide. Don't let these cheap mofos bring you down, we all have different standards of beauty and service and different levels of comfort as far as spending is concerned. I really hate how almost everyone on this website makes everyone else feel bad for not paying the absolute minimum to every working girl.It is not about making anyone feel bad. It is about passing on information like you said. When I pass on information that it really does not take that much money then you are welcomed to take it or leave it. Most people do not post pictures on this site along with their reports so you do not know what price is garnering what level of beauty or service. Guys may be paying 3000 pesos for total dogs. My experience is along the lines of Master Monger who has posted plenty of pictures and plenty of prices along with his reports. As with many other things YOURMMV.

[Tasss]

First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.

Here's the thing in this thread, I've thread through tens and tens of pages of reports before coming here and none of them mentioned getting cheated and money stolen and things like that. So when I lose money like this, it's my fault for not using common sense, which can happen especially in new places. BUT if there were reports of this happening, then it's my fault for not using common sense and not RTFF which is an even worse mistake. Like in the China forums, you see new guys get robbed by touts out of literally hundreds or even thousands of USD, even with all those warnings as on the forums. Like every few pages on the Shanghai forums there's some warning about touts because it happens to an ISGer once every few months. These guys didn't RTFF. So here it is, a report that if newbies read, they won't have an excuse later.

Anyways as Westcoast alluded to earlier, I'm used to mongering in China and some in the states where most girls are coming from some kind of establishment. BBSs and saunas in China. In the US, the Korean AAMPs is an established location and non-GFE sessions with other providers are usually located in a hotel where they have the girl's ID. So for me, it's the first time I've had experience with a FL who I don't know where she'll be like 10 minutes later.

Regarding negotiations, I'm trying to "follow the culture" if you know what I mean. Again I RTFF before I do anything, and no one mentions negotiating with HiSo girls, just posts about how little they paid the girl relative to a BF. If you're making posts to brag, then it's not helpful as a more honest picture of what happens in HiSo. If it's the norm, then I'm at least providing a report where the girl is asking for a higher than normal tip. It actually worked out the first time though. The first girl I took from HiSo only asked for transportation money and was really good looking. For me though, next time I'm negotiating.

[Tasss]

Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris:Troll post, but sure I'll bite. No, I'm early 30's and not fat.

[NapaSlapper]

I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.Have to agree with you.

For those that are saying I just give the freelance girl what I want in the morning without negotiating a price, you are playing with fire.

A well known angeles ex pat use to boast of the same thing, one day there was a knock on his door by station 4 police, he paid $5,000 us dollars and spent 2 nights in the cell for his little problem to go away instead of the extra $50 the girl was demanding in the first place.

Never forget, we have very little rights as foreigners in the phills, pay the first person because the more you resist the more expensive it gets.

[Mogwai]

Have to agree with you.

For those that are saying I just give the freelance girl what I want in the morning without negotiating a price, you are playing with fire.

A well known angeles ex pat use to boast of the same thing, one day there was a knock on his door by station 4 police, he paid $5,000 us dollars and spent 2 nights in the cell for his little problem to go away instead of the extra $50 the girl was demanding in the first place.

Never forget, we have very little rights as foreigners in the phills, pay the first person because the more you resist the more expensive it gets.


I will respectfully disagree. One of the drawbacks of FL as opposed to bargirls is that with bargirls, if there is a disagreement, the bar will intervene on behalf of both parties (usually you don't fare well here economically because of your own stupidity -- but that is fine). You can always take the girl back to the bar, or just go back there yourself. OTOH the FL has you by the nads. Just give her what she's asking for. Its a win-win for her if she waits you out. She wins if you call hotel security. She wins if you don't. Tasss' giving her 1-2000 extra to get her out of the room would be prudent. If she tells hotel security you did something wrong (ie hit her or raped her -- and proof is irrelevant), you might wish you'd given her 10-20 k to get rid of her.

ThomKatt is right: every newb mistake was made here, especially not negotiating with the FL first.I'm the first to agree you have to be very careful in the Phills but OTOH don't let them intimidate you too easily. Try to stick to your guns first. Depending on the girl and the situation of course. Only if things really get out of control you can give her what she wants.

Last time I was in Manila I picked up this good looking massage girl on Burgos and took her to my hotel. She was very friendly, fun and accomodating and I already thought I had found myself a real gem. Naturally she offered me the well known extra's after she gave me massage for about 15 minutes. Normally I always negotiate with a massage girl but this time I skipped negotiating because I thought: "She's such a nice girl and we get along so well, we will work it out. " Big mistake!
When we were done she took a shower and I slipped 1500 PhP into her purse. When she came back and saw the money she said she wanted 3000. I laughed and said 'No way. 1500 is normal. It's a good price. ' She said 'I know, but I want 3000. I'm not like other girls. You can ask the other girls. They will say I want 3000'. And more BS like that.
She was very persistent and didn't want to leave without the extra 1500. I was stunned. I hadn't expected this at all from such a nice girl.
She made a phone call but it wasn't answered so maybe that was just bluff. After about 10 minutes of fruitless discussion I called reception to ask for security but they didn't pick up the phone.
Then she said she wanted me to go downstairs with her to talk to security. I said 'OK' and put on my shoes. When we were heading for the door I made sure she was in front of me. I could tell she was not as confident anymore as before. She walked out the door and I pretended to come right behind her but instead I slammed the door behind her back and locked it.
Problem solved. She didn't make a scene. She just left and didn't say or do anything anymore and I was not visited by security, police, pimp or whoever.
All I got was a text message: 'I wait you in the lobby'. Yeah right. (We exchanged numbers right after I banged her, so before the problems began).

[ThomKatt]

I'm the first to agree you have to be very careful in the Phills but OTOH don't let them intimidate you too easily. Try to stick to your guns first. Depending on the girl and the situation of course. Only if things really get out of control you can give her what she wants.But why on earth would you ever let yourself be in a situation like that in the first place? You got lucky that time, but you may not be so lucky the second time. You are a guest in their country, they don't give a shit about you and your rights. Negotiate first, enjoy later.


Or maybe Tasss IS the old fat guy that no decent woman would accept 1500 from and is forced to pay more, but other people who have no problem with hot women repeatedly accepting 1500 are not. We are talking about the Philippines here, not Paris. This MAY be true. Then again, what I originally said could be true as well. Perhaps people lie about the price they pay to keep the general prices down or force the market downwards. I don't know people's true intentions, I tell the honest truth because I use this site for my own benefit, and it's my civic duty to return the favor. I believe in karma. From my own experiences, the hottest girls will give me a discount because I'm young, fit, and handsome, but I have never gotten anywhere near the prices many of these board members claim. I'm no slouch when it comes to negotiating, my jobs are all contract based. Nor am I foolish with my hard earned money.


A haircut costs 100 pesos (price recently increased). The barber would have to cut 30 heads to make the 3000 pesos that guys think a bar girl should have for a few hours. (In Dumagette a haircut cost me 40 pesos.)What you're doing here is placing a price on these things, but you're underlining the value. Tell me, would you rather cut hair for 30 heads, or fuck an old fat guy for a couple of hours? I can tell you, I will choose barber every time. I don't have to give up my dignity, body, self worth, or even my safety to make a few dollars.


YOURMMV.Totally agreed. But don't say someone was a "mark", or don't know how to negotiate, or making someone feel like an ass for not paying the bare minimum or less than the minimum. You have to agree, you've done this numerous times, consciously or subconsciously.

I have never been to a country that tries to rip you off so badly as the PH. Seriously, everyone tries to fuck me over one way or another. From taxi drivers, trike drivers, tour guides, bar girls, everyone. Also the level of service is really bad. Service in restaurants has been shit, they see me in there, but don't bring me a menu or come over and take my order. This is definitely NOT the country to let your guard down. It's a poorman's Thailand.

[ConquerorVal]

Tasss is a good guy, with good reports coming out of China for several years. His honest report is an indication of what happens when an experienced monger tries a new country on for size. Sometimes even experienced guys will make every newb mistake in the book (I have made one or two myself).I have to agree with this, and Tasss is neither fat nor old. Quite the opposite.

[GoodEnough]

I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off, and I've never much worried about the "face" I need to wear in a bar.

Since the older I get the less I appreciate what passes these days for popular music, I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. Though I don't always succeed in fi, nding what (who) I'm looking for, I usually do and I'm rarely disappointed. Now it may be, though I don't think so, that in my advancing years my standards have lowered. I do find however that if I just treat the girls as I would like to be treated, I have good experiences. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax.

GE.

[NapaSlapper]

Good read on Harry the horse news letter this month, Harry and new partner/writer are angeles buisness owners and are 100% pro everything angeles normally.

In their second column they clearly state that all angeles bar owners are having a horrid time trying to secure good looking girls to work in the bars.

Now if these guys are saying this then the reality is probably a 1000% times worse.

[Mr Enternational]

First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.It is not a waste of time at all reporting your experience. It is good to see when / how things go wrong and what defenses can be used to get out of it. To me it is a much better report because it can be learned from. Nobody has ever learned from things going perfect all the time.

A couple of years ago I posted reports in the Dominican Republic thread where I negotiated with a girl who another board member had taken several times before. She not only tried to do a runner on me but wanted double than what was agreed to. She wanted to get the police involved and despite my warnings to her that she did not want to do that she did it anyway. The police ended up threatening her with jail if she didn't leave and go home. But it goes to show that even when you negotiate things can go wrong. You could be doing everything in good faith, but in this hobby we are not dealing with people who are known to be the most upstanding citizens.

I am in the same boat as Good Enough. In the Philippines I relax and have a good time and treat the girls like human beings. I don't negotiate first (unless the girl brings it up) and have never had a problem. I deal mostly with FL (and you will even see guys here saying you should only deal with bar girls) and have never had a runner that was FL or from a bar. It all depends on your personal comfort level as to how you deal in AC. I am not sure why people would go through the trouble of reporting fake prices though. With as many posts as I have, I believe in the integrity of the board. I would sure hate to research and constantly see that prices are in one range but when I got there it turned out to be double. Less I can deal with.

[Member #4566]

on other angeles boards it has recently been reported by a bar owner member that the girls weekly hygeine is only a farce to earn the city extra cash. LOL. A couple of years ago, during an avian flu epidemic, a mayor of a large Chinese city falsified the numbers he gave to the WHO. Cooking the books was evidently traditional practice for government officials in China. However he was dealing with an international agency which was responsible for cross-national efforts to stem a pandemic. When WHO discovered the lie, a scandal ensued in China which was unaccustomed to international rules of play. Much was at stake besides losing face. If China did not conform to WHO rules, automatic sanctions would kick-in which would restrict Chinese international trade and travel. This was to protect rather than punish. The mayor committed suicide in disgrace.

That being said, the Philippine government dare not lie about the STD figures in the PI. If AIDS spiked in the PI the negative impact on tourism would be catastrophic. Everyone in the AC bar industry has a vested interest in checking AIDS and other STD's. If WHO learned that there was a sham testing program which reported false info, the negative consequences for all stakeholders would be enormous. Right now, the incidence of AIDS in the PI is about the same as Japan. That's pretty remarkable. But the best advice is when getting your end wet during uncertain weather, wear your rubbers.

[Pantot]

I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped offDamn Goodenough you are a magician and probably have some otherworldy knowledge of pinay psyche and possibly mind control elements. You should write a book heheh. To have lived in the Phils 11 years and never been ripped off is a monumental achievement. Honestly I can't last 2 days there without getting ripped off in by some pinoy in some small or medium manner but I'm just a frequent visitor not a resident.

Hats off to you! How do you suffer us mere mortals here in ISG?

[NapaSlapper]

Everyone in the AC bar industry has a vested interest in checking AIDS and other STD's. If WHO learned that there was a sham testing program which reported false info, the negative consequences for all stakeholders would be enormous. Right now, the incidence of AIDS in the PI is about the same as Japan. That's pretty remarkable. But the best advice is when getting your end wet during uncertain weather, wear your rubbers.With all due respect, if everyone in the bar industry had a vested interest in checking their girls for aids. Std, s why is it not being done?

clearly no checks for aids / stds are made at all, how could they be, no blood is taken, unless you know of a way to test without taking blood?

The hygeine test that is carried out weekly at the moment is a pap smear test only (smear) which is charged at 20 p per time.

A full blood test for aids and stds at any angeles hospital costs 2000 p per time, do you honestly think it is viable for bar owners to pay out this amount daily to check each and every girl?

as far as country/world numbers for aids they could only be considered accurate if 100% of the population was to be tested which obviously they are not so the figures produced by certain organisations are not worth anything and a total farce imho

[Mogwai]

as far as country/world numbers for aids they could only be considered accurate if 100% of the population was to be tested which obviously they are not so the figures produced by certain organisations are not worth anything and a total farce imhoThe numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.

[NapaSlapper]

The numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.Mogwai,

The people infected with either hiv or aids but have not gone for testing could be in the many millions more,

Many might have full blown aids with mild symptoms they put down to something else and might not go for testing,some might have an idea they have aids but deny it to themselves and to others and refuse to be tested,we can speculate many different ways,

My own cousin died of aids and up to the last few days he looked fine,nobody in the family had a clue he was sick with aids, his death was at a time before meds to keep people alive,

until 100% of the world population is forced to be tested every 3 months only then will we have accurate figures as to who has hiv/aids imho

[X Man]

I can't agree. You're not decades older than me. And, I like some of the pop music.

And by all means, develop a strategy (for yourself). Meet people, have fun, make contacts, have meals with someone, and please get laid. And then get laid again. X.


I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off, and I've never much worried about the "face" I need to wear in a bar.

Since the older I get the less I appreciate what passes these days for popular music, I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. Though I don't always succeed in fi, nding what (who) I'm looking for, I usually do and I'm rarely disappointed. Now it may be, though I don't think so, that in my advancing years my standards have lowered. I do find however that if I just treat the girls as I would like to be treated, I have good experiences. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax.

GE.

[Krum Lov]

Thanks everyone for your recommendations.


For a great cup of coffee go to the RBI Steakhouse in the Queens Hotel. You can enjoy your coffee poolside or inside.

[Member #4566]

With all due respect, if everyone in the bar industry had a vested interest in checking their girls for aids. Std, s why is it not being done? clearly no checks for aids / stds are made at all, how could they be, no blood is taken, unless you know of a way to test without taking blood? The hygeine test that is carried out weekly at the moment is a pap smear test only (smear) I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.

[Member #4566]

I've been reading these reports with some bemusement because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the behaviors lots of posters described. I'm decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax. GE.I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.

[Pip Jaeger]

First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.

You didn't waste your time and your report is appreciated. Ignore the trolls. Your post served as a good reminder that we need to keep our guard up and follow basic mongering rules. It's possible that its happened to others, but they were too embarrassed to report it or they don't have "thick internet skin" and were afraid of the admonishment they were likely to receive.


Here's the thing in this thread, I've thread through tens and tens of pages of reports before coming here and none of them mentioned getting cheated and money stolen and things like that. So when I lose money like this, it's my fault for not using common sense, which can happen especially in new places. BUT if there were reports of this happening, then it's my fault for not using common sense and not RTFF which is an even worse mistake. SNIP. So here it is, a report that if newbies read, they won't have an excuse later.When you did your research you didn't find anything about getting ripped off by a FL (or even a bargirl) because it rarely happens; at least in AC or Cebu, although it's likely to happen more often in MNL. I've literally been with hundreds of FL's here and never had a major issue like what you described. Sure I've had girls snatch a candy bar, bottle of soda, tube of toothpaste, bottle of shampoo, etc. , but I've never had a girl take money out of my pocket (s). OTH, I do lock up any extra cash and when I go out I only take what I need for the night. Upon returning to the room with a girl I put my cash in the safe (or lock it in my suitcase if no safe).

[GoodEnough]

I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.Didn't want to bore a lot of the guys here by responding with some personal details, so sent you a PM answering some of your questions. You surely owe me no apologies for anything written in response to anything I've posted. I've always figured that any of our posts are fair game for those who disagree.

I didn't realize that I was the object of any obsequiousness, and if I was, it's surely undeserved. My points of view are merely personal opinions and no more worthy of special treatment than the posts of anyone else.

I think that because I've lived for so long in so many third world countries the endless pursuit of the ladies ceased to fascinate me long ago. It really doesn't take long for the ready availability of girls young enough to be my daughter, and now perhaps granddaughter to lose its novelty which is, I suppose, why I don't write about it much. For me, the equation is quite simple: this is a poor country with a lousy educational system that creates few opportunities for its young people. Conversely the pressure on young women to provide sustenance for their families is relentless. Ergo, many of those from poor families do what they do because it's the only way they can provide for their families given that the government does nothing to ameliorate their poverty. For the most part, guys who delude themselves into thinking otherwise--that is, believing that these young women love them because of their charm or looks or personalities-- need to go check the mirrors in their hotel rooms.

GE.

[Robbaf]

Good read on Harry the horse news letter this month, Harry and new partner/writer are angeles buisness owners and are 100% pro everything angeles normally.

In their second column they clearly state that all angeles bar owners are having a horrid time trying to secure good looking girls to work in the bars.

Now if these guys are saying this then the reality is probably a 1000% times worse.I used to read Harry the Horse every month, but now no longer reading since Harry stopped his newsletter. Now it is concluded between ads and rambling.

Robb.

[NapaSlapper]

I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.I had previously bought a thai aids kit it was about $50 us, the problem with these is their accuracy, It clearly states on the packaging that if a positive reading is given then go for a blood test to make sure, so by the manufacturers own admission their kit is not as accurate as a blood test.

Yes new type oral tests are also available in some countries but again not as reliable as blood testing.

http://www.aidsmap.com/Rapid-HIV-test-performance-poorer-with-oral-fluid-than-blood-especially-when-prevalence-is-low/page/2228132/

But at the end of the day it does not come down to what is available it comes down to no girls in angeles are tested by their bars for anything which is crazy considering that most angeles bargirls think its normal to have multiple sex partners from all around the world bareback.

I think that if the bar owners were actually concerned for their girls health then they should at least educate the girls on the dangers of unprotected sex, I won't hold my breath LOL.

[WrinkleFree]

I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?

(on a side note, as someone who likes to RTFF I would agree that more TRIP reports is always a good thing as every part of life is YMMV. The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time. Also as we have seen with various cities- things change. What was true in 2015 might be different now and trip reports can give people an idea of what can be "expected" but obviously you have to temper your expectations.).

[Mogwai]

I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?
If I were you I would still go to AC. The proximity of everything is a big advantage over Manila, most certainly when it's your first time around. It's true that AC is far from it's peak but 'very, very far' is an exaggaration IMO. You can still have a good time there but it just might take a little longer to find girls to your liking. And beside that: if you don't go there you 'll never know if AC is your cup of tea or not.

Central Park is indeed very close to fields. It's a 2 minute walk to Kokomo's restaurant which is roughly in the middle of fields. It's no problem at all to walk with a girl to this hotel, it might even be safer than taking a trike LOL!

[WrinkleFree]

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!

[ThomKatt]

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that counts

[Axiata]

I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that countsCould not agree more. Having traveled throughout SE Asia I never had AC on my radar. Now after two trips I am hooked. Do not know about the peak but if you are looking for an easy place to get around with day and night action, then AC is a must. It may not be the biggest, cleanest or have the best looking girls, but it has a lot of girls and lots of bars. It is also cheaper than a lot of other places. Try it and see if you like it. I know that I do! The girls are fun and finding the gem is part of the adventure!

[Surfer500]

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!You might want to try Subic as well, a totally different place than AC and more economical than AC. If your not a beach person though you probably won't like it much.

[Mr Enternational]

The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time.The thing with AC is that it only has about 2 blocks of monger use. So sure it is a city, but you will probably see only 2 blocks of it. And everyone walks everywhere. I usually stay at Central Park. It is only 1 block from Fields. Everything will come into view for you once you arrive. It is hard to get the total picture by only reading reports and looking at maps.
Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!That is a great attitude to have!

[Mr Enternational]

What is up with mongers wanting to walk down the street holding hands with their hookers? I was sitting at Kokomo's and watched a punter reach for his girl's hand. The girl clearly showed that she did not want to hold hands with him. However he literally forced this girl to hold his hand. Some of these cats are funny. Love and affection.

[Streetlooker]

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.

[Streetlooker]

What is up with mongers wanting to walk down the street holding hands with their hookers? I was sitting at Kokomo's and watched a punter reach for his girl's hand. The girl clearly showed that she did not want to hold hands with him. However he literally forced this girl to hold his hand. Some of these cats are funny. Love and affection.Its a part of the GFE.

[WSJ3]

Its a part of the GFE.Usually the ones that you can get from High Society are all with the hand holding and GFE.

Doesn't make him soft. He wanted what he paid for. It's his vacation and his money.

I personally prefer Blow Row find them fuck them forget them.

[Manny51]

I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?

(on a side note, as someone who likes to RTFF I would agree that more TRIP reports is always a good thing as every part of life is YMMV. The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time. Also as we have seen with various cities- things change. What was true in 2015 might be different now and trip reports can give people an idea of what can be "expected" but obviously you have to temper your expectations.).I was in the same situation, researching my own trip about 3 months ago. I had the same concerns, but in the end, chose differently then you. I decided to skip AC.

The reason? Threefold. First, there were too many people complaining about getting rejected by girls. Secondly, I read some reports about the lower state of hygene and overall presentation of the girls. Including several people mentioning head lice. They also uniformly agreed that the girls in Manila were just better looking. Thirdly, short on time. AC was too far. I wanted to spend some time seeing other areas of Manila and the PI. It seemed there were more things to do in Manila in the daytime.

How do I feel now that I am back? Overall pretty glad, though I do have this "itch" that I never saw AC. That being said, even though prices are lower in AC, I thought the attractiveness of the girls in Manila were just average overall. Definitely pretty girls here and there, but average overall. I wouldn't want to go a notch lower.

[Sxxxx]

Its a part of the GFE.Correct, and holding hands in public, referred to in his post, should be part of the "Terms of Engagement" , sorted out back at the bar.

Possibly an appropriate time for a member to type out, on this thread, proposed "Terms of Engagement", to be used by hobbyists.

Then we could exercise our 'rights' viz: "But its in the Terms of Agreement, honey"!

[MS Clive]

I was in the same situation, researching my own trip about 3 months ago. I had the same concerns, but in the end, chose differently then you. I decided to skip AC.
Definitely pretty girls here and there, but average overall. I wouldn't want to go a notch lower.I agree skip AC. Stick with Manila. No doubt about that.

AC is all about quantity. If you have 2 to 5 days to spend don't venture outside Manila.

[Pinaypounder]

1. No traffic.

2. Lots of choice and lots of interesting characters.

3. Easy to find good food.

4. Cleaner.

5. Same Hotel room in angeles is 20% cheaper.

6. There are some good people there!

But for the most part it is pros only!

PP.

[NapaSlapper]

Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.I did not see angeles till the mid 90's,but even then all the things you describe were the same.

,I too think back at those memories with a big smile on my face, and yes angeles of today is alas a shadow of what it once was.

[NapaSlapper]

I agree skip AC. Stick with Manila. No doubt about that.

AC is all about quantity. If you have 2 to 5 days to spend don't venture outside Manila.Have to fully agree.

Would say that if one wants a quantity of mainly plain looking girls then there are plenty in AC.

If one wants many more pretty/ slimmer girls then Manila is your place although more expensive.

As for the guys claiming the food is good in angeles I would say this, The food sucks badly in both angeles and manila.

[Pantot]

Some would say that Angeles City's peak was Pre Mt Pinatubo. Having been there then (1985-1990) I would have to agree. Totally nude dancing, sex shows. BJs right at your table. NO cell phones or computers. Total unfettered drunken debauchery. I am so thankful I have those memories. But its sad they can't be duplicated today.I have only been going there for 10 years. I have heard the stories of pre 2006 and pre pinatubo and they have some allure. I wasnt there so I can't comment directly. I'm not a prude but I don't have much interest in watching some monger getting his junk serviced in a public place. Also I like the more recent development that the girls have choices and can turn you down. Seems alot more safe and appreciative of their services.

I have been in the bars when the guys are grappling the the girls in public over the past decade, obviously not like days of yore but I'm not impressed. I'm not an orgy kind of guy. Half the time the girls are somewhat horrified and the many of the guys look like ogres and and would not want to be thier sloppy seconds the following night.

I am not crapping on your memories streetlooker I am sure they are great.

My favorite part of AC the past 10 years is you can find a very sweet young girl at a bar to go with you for a GFE 18 to 24.

For me now is the golden age.

The prices are higher no doubt but still 40 to 50% of crazy Makati prices as best can ascertain. I pay less than I did 10 years ago in P burgos bars at the end of the day. I can still attract the young ones some how. Hell it may not last very much longer I am aging. I love the fresh province girls I don't need some expert prostitute. The young Pinays are malleable like fresh clay and can be trained quick.

In AC bars 2016 you can still get the freshest cream of the crop from the visayas Samar, Leyte Biliran etc but its may take a little more exploration 2 to 3 more bars and a few more beers or bottled waters.

We all were more successful when we were young but my focus is moving forward. The available pussy is literally found no where else in the english speaking world at the price offered.

[Pantot]

The thing with AC is that it only has about 2 blocks of monger use. So sure it is a city, but you will probably see only 2 blocks of it. And everyone walks everywhere. I usually stay at Central Park. It is only 1 block from Fields. Everything will come into view for you once you arrive. It is hard to get the total picture by only reading reports and looking at maps.That is a great attitude to have!Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. If you are 'usually in central park' its barely a 1 year old hotel. Usually takes more time than that to be a settler. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards. If you have a company expense account then god bless you and good luck. It was barely finished this year.

AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.

[BeachBoy46]

I came across this posting on an AC thread on FB. Another one bites the dust.Fear not all you doom boosters out there, Phillies is not biting the dust. It is being sold to dissolve a partnership. Don't know how much but it will be plenty.

[Streetlooker]

Usually the ones that you can get from High Society are all with the hand holding and GFE.

Doesn't make him soft. He wanted what he paid for. It's his vacation and his money.

I personally prefer Blow Row find them fuck them forget them.While the girls there are not always the best lookers. They do know what they are there for. Bar girls can be hit or miss sometimes Not always going to get what you want.

[Streetlooker]

I have only been going there for 10 years. I have heard the stories of pre 2006 and pre pinatubo and they have some allure. I wasnt there so I can't comment directly. I'm not a prude but I don't have much interest in watching some monger getting his junk serviced in a public place. Also I like the more recent development that the girls have choices and can turn you down. Seems alot more safe and appreciative of their services.

I have been in the bars when the guys are grappling the the girls in public over the past decade, obviously not like days of yore but I'm not impressed. I'm not an orgy kind of guy. Half the time the girls are somewhat horrified and the many of the guys look like ogres and and would not want to be thier sloppy seconds the following night.

I am not crapping on your memories streetlooker I am sure they are great.

My favorite part of AC the past 10 years is you can find a very sweet young girl at a bar to go with you for a GFE 18 to 24.

For me now is the golden age.

The prices are higher no doubt but still 40 to 50% of crazy Makati prices as best can ascertain. I pay less than I did 10 years ago in P burgos bars at the end of the day. I can still attract the young ones some how. Hell it may not last very much longer I am aging. I love the fresh province girls I don't need some expert prostitute. The young Pinays are malleable like fresh clay and can be trained quick.

In AC bars 2016 you can still get the freshest cream of the crop from the visayas Samar, Leyte Biliran etc but its may take a little more exploration 2 to 3 more bars and a few more beers or bottled waters.

We all were more successful when we were young but my focus is moving forward. The available pussy is literally found no where else in the english speaking world at the price offered.To be honest with you My 52 yr old self might be a bit turned off by orgies and sex shows on stage. I to am not interested in seeing another dudes junk being servced while I try to drink my beer. . BUT my 22 yr old self loved the debauchery if the 80's and was a willing participant in any and all the orgies. My 22 yr old self wanted to fuck for hrs like rabbits. My 52 yr old self want to make love ha ha ha! Then have a nap.

[Mr Enternational]

Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. If you are 'usually in central park' its barely a 1 year old hotel. Usually takes more time than that to be a settler. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards. If you have a company expense account then god bless you and good luck. It was barely finished this year.

AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.In it's present form Central Park was finished over a year ago. I stayed there twice during the final construction and it cost me 2000/day. Now that they are finished I think it is over 3000, hence my reason for staying at Eurotel this time around. Central Park itself is not new though. They tore down the old one to build the new one. When I first went to AC years ago, I asked here on the forum and people recommended Pacific Breeze. When I tried to make reservations they were full, so they recommended the sister hotel the next street over. Central Park. It was my hotel of choice until they tore it down. It was in no way in bad condition at the time. I guess they just had a vision to build new and make more money. The 2 times that I stayed at the new construction I have seen Filipino families and businesspeople staying there as well as mongers.

AC bars are in 2 locations, Fields (which the 4 Blow Row bars can be included in) and Perimeter. It is easy to walk the ones around Fields up to Insomnia Bar outside of the Walking Street section. As a matter of fact how else would you get around to them at night since the street closes to motor vehicle traffic? And in the daytime you would look kind of silly taking a trike the short distance from one end to the other. If you are not lazy then you can walk to the ones at Perimeter or catch a trike and walk them from the first bar where you are dropped off. They are not spread out at all. What other locations in AC do you know with bars catering to foreigners?

[Pantot]

To be honest with you My 52 yr old self might be a bit turned off by orgies and sex shows on stage. I to am not interested in seeing another dudes junk being servced while I try to drink my beer. . BUT my 22 yr old self loved the debauchery if the 80's and was a willing participant in any and all the orgies. My 22 yr old self wanted to fuck for hrs like rabbits. My 52 yr old self want to make love ha ha ha! Then have a nap.Yeah that was kind of my point.

Its all about the place and who you are and at what age and financial situation you are in and monetary limitations and past views, experiences etc.

The past heyday was organically developed as a place for young US servicemen of the pre internet days. Porn was limited to playboy and huslter magazines and 8 mm movies that were grainy and rare as sasquatches. Nowadays we have seen everything live and in HD thank you very much.

Plus we are older and I'm slightly older than you. While the prices were better 10 years ago+ for me now is the heyday of AC for my mid 50's self. If I were a penisoner on a limited budget stuck there in my late retirement years I'd be alarmed at the cost and the selectiveness of the younger girls. Its all about perspsective. For me at my age AC is in a golden age. There are more bars and establishments than ever by far. Less crowd sucks if your a bar owner or love a racuous atmosphere. I don't need that. I'm still not too old believe it or not that I can get the young ones fresh and clean from the provinces to go with me and usually stay for the night and multiple rounds. Do I get runners after 1 pop? Yes but I don't get offended or wish for more subserviant girls. I'm glad I'm not fucking sex slaves who feel 'no' and 'I have to go' is an option. When the girl says she wants to go, the reason is irrelevant. Its her choice and I respect it whether its true or not I don't care. She is free to change her mind just as you and I were always free to kick her out. I chalk everything up to human experience and respect for the girls.

[Axiata]

Yeah that was kind of my point.

Its all about the place and who you are and at what age and financial situation you are in and monetary limitations and past views, experiences etc.

The past heyday was organically developed as a place for young US servicemen of the pre internet days. Porn was limited to playboy and huslter magazines and 8 mm movies that were grainy and rare as sasquatches. Nowadays we have seen everything live and in HD thank you very much.

Plus we are older and I'm slightly older than you. While the prices were better 10 years ago+ for me now is the heyday of AC for my mid 50's self. If I were a penisoner on a limited budget stuck there in my late retirement years I'd be alarmed at the cost and the selectiveness of the younger girls. Its all about perspsective. For me at my age AC is in a golden age. There are more bars and establishments than ever by far. Less crowd sucks if your a bar owner or love a racuous atmosphere. I don't need that. I'm still not too old believe it or not that I can get the young ones fresh and clean from the provinces to go with me and usually stay for the night and multiple rounds. Do I get runners after 1 pop? Yes but I don't get offended or wish for more subserviant girls. I'm glad I'm not fucking sex slaves who feel 'no' and 'I have to go' is an option. When the girl says she wants to go, the reason is irrelevant. Its her choice and I respect it whether its true or not I don't care. She is free to change her mind just as you and I were always free to kick her out. I chalk everything up to human experience and respect for the girls.Well said. It all comes down to what each of us is prepared to accept and do. Just as all girls are different so are we. I also am in my early 50's and with life experience and a lot of Asian experience and IMHO this is the best time to enjoy the hobby. I used to go 100 miles an hour with lots of girls and lots at the one time. Now it is more about enjoying the time and finding those gems that are out there. Enjoying the bar hopping, drinking and socializing with the girls. They all have something to offer and it is really about the moment as to what we accept. Have been in AC only a few times, but it is exactly what guys like me look for in terms of a short break. Four or five days of fun away from the big cities, traffic, and high costs. Yes we get runners, star fish and girls playing games. But the hobby we have chosen has these as a consequence. For every one bad experience there is a good one.

I remember the hey days of Changping and AC reminds me of that place except it has bars instead of karaoke clubs. Changping is now a distant memory, but thank goodness for places like AC. Small, cheap and easy to get around with lots of girls.

Happy mongering.

[Threadbare]

I had a few days in AC in January, with three nights in Subic in the middle. First night I was in the Penthouse Hotel (review on hotel thread) and whilst it was just one night with late arrival, I was able to find a really cute little spinner in the street close to the Margurita Station, who eventually agreed to come back with me. She said she was on her way home from Monsoon, though a bit early I thought (about 11 pm) Anyway she wanted to walk to the hotel, and we came to the Rodeo bar, so she wanted to go in for a drink. There was live music and dancing in there, so we stayed a while and she even got up and sang with the group. Very well, and well supported by the other customers too, one even buying us both a drink! Eventually we reached to hotel, and she was hungry so we went to the rooftop pool / bar for another drink and food. Its a great spot, but we were the only ones up there, apart from the staff! Anyway, so to bed, and she was a real raver between the sheets. She happily stayed all night, we had a couple of pops before sleep and another in the morning; she loved having her pussy licked, and I loved to do that, so it worked out pretty well! She left at 11.30 when I checked out, 2000 better off. I took her number to catch up later in the week when I returned, but unfortunately we didn't manage to do that. I will definitely try to find her again. Her name is Annabel, in case anybody finds her. Lovely girl, quite short (like me haha).

[Tasss]

Back at home now after 2 weeks in AC and hopefully I can summarize my thoughts and opinions in a way that's constructive to this forum, especially for those new to AC and the Philippines like I was. Obviously my opinions will be biased by on my past experiences and expectations before I came. Those expectations were adjusted after I came of course so hopefully I'm giving a complete picture of my experience.

Staying in AC:

I chose Pacific Breeze as it's moderately priced at 2500 per night, is clean, and is a 1 minute walk from Fields. Most bar girls and freelancers knows this and so they don't get scared if you name a hotel they're not familiar with. I've spoken to others who have stayed here a bit longer and they've picked hotels a couple of blocks further than PB. The price they said is half what PB charges, but I feel you might get girls who'll get apprehensive about going there. I don't know this for sure. If you run into this problem though you're not stuck there and you can move. If you feel like splurging a bit, ABC Hotel is close to Fields and is much nicer for about twice the price of PB (big rooms and nice furnishing).

Getting to AC:

I arrived through Manila instead of through Clark. The price ended up being about $300 US less than if I flew into Clark alone. If you have luggage, it's probably best to get a private van as I did, which my hotel charged 2700 p x 2 trips for. That ends up being $100 US so I save $200 which is 3-4 barfines if that matters to you. Also note you will spend about a total of 6 hours on the road between AC and Manila. Besides price another advantage is that you have more arrival / departure options if you go through Manila.

Getting around the bar areas:

There are 2 main bar areas, Fields and Perimeter. You can walk all of Fields easily. Along Perimeter, I ventured only as far as Lost in Asia and backtracked eastwards by walking. From Fields to Lost in Asia it's a 100 p trike ride. Some trike drivers will try to charge you 150 but tell them you know it's 100. My first ride ended up being 150 but later one of the bar girls I took back got the "local price". It's not a big difference but I get annoyed by locals trying to shortchange visitors. Happens everywhere obviously. I haven't 100% figured out how to use the jeepneys. I think you wave them down and when you want to get off you just tell the driver. Much cheaper but the savings aren't worth it for me at least.

Foreign exchange:

I was recommended Norma's when I first came but there are plenty of options along Fields with all fairly close exchange rates. The rates differ by about 0. 2% so it's literally next to nothing. I ended up always exchanging at a place near Jollibee. The center of this map http://www.acmap.com/map.aspx?mapID=f17 Norma's is actually a bit off of Fields and they're also not 24 hrs. The one I pointed out is 24 hrs.

Food:

Lots of options along Fields. A lot of Filipino, Korean and burger / pizza places there. There's also an Indian restaurant, a Mexican place, and some Chinese options. There's a newly opened Arabic / Persian place that I recommend people trying right next to Norma's. It's called Azor and it's also a good place to meet people. I also went to Chowking, which is a Chinese-style fast food chain, and Kokomos a bunch of times. Niji's is a well known Japanese restaurant quite a bit away from Fields (price is more expensive, I paid about 800 p per person). A 150 p trike ride will get you there. If you stay on Fields though, most meals will cost you under 400 p. The fast food options like Chowking and Jollibee's will be under 200 most of the time. Lots of places are open until very late, like 3-4 am, or 24 hours even. Basically it's cheap and will get you full. Some restaurants are decent, but you're probably not coming to AC for the food right?

Safety:

As with other developing countries, expect to be nickel and dimed, but the damage is not that heavy, unless you're like me. I had money stolen from me by a free lancer (look at one of my earlier reports). So as others have stated, use the safe in your room to lock up your money and phone. Also girls have told me they've been robbed and it's best to stay in lighted areas at night. Generally though along Fields at night and Perimeter during daytime, I felt pretty safe walking alone.

The bars:

I'll go into detail about Perimeter vs Fields later so this is just a general segment about picking up from bars. Typically I've seen the gogo bars having two rotations of girls. They dance for 30 minutes at a time, then switch. So when you walk in the bar you're only looking at one rotation unless you actively go around seeking out the other one. Problem is that the bars expect you to sit down and buy a drink immediately after you go in. The waitresses will get in your face as soon as you enter. They'll also remind you that you're not supposed to sit there and watch the girls without paying, although they give you like a 3 minute grace period about. I think the waitresses, especially the older / fat ones, are pretty annoying, but you have to understand a lot of their income is coming from tips. You can skip the up-to-30-minute wait period to see the next set of girls by looking around the bar for girls who are resting. But I thought that was kind of creepy, so I didn't do that. One of my problems early on was that I spent a bit too much on drinks for myself going between the different bars before I found a suitable girl to BF. I caved too often to the pressure from waitresses. It's not that much, even 4 drinks is only 400 p or about $8, but it's a fee that's avoidable and I feel like I'm paying for nothing. In addition to that, in the beginning I'll end up buying LDs for a girl who was either really closed up or has no real interest in me. Each LD is 250-300 (double LDs are standard now). Again not too expensive, but it's paying for nothing if the girl doesn't go back with you. Next section I'll talk about how I tried to avoid these stupid upfront costs, but first I'll mention what I'm looking for. In the first couple of days in AC, I was looking for just any pussy which is easy and not a challenge at all. But later on naturally I got a bit picky. I needed a girl who was at least half decent looking face and body-wise AND had a good attitude. I can compromise a little bit on the looks side if she was enthusiastic.

My in-bar interview strategy:

Now to avoid those upfront costs, my strategy was to go inside a bar, take 20-30 seconds to look through the current lineup. During this time, the girls also have a chance to look at me. If one or more of them met my looks requirements and she's making eye contact with me, is smiling AND is kind of dancing somewhat, she's a potential candidate. I've probably cut my upfront costs by more than half by doing this. It's more work but I end up wasting less money and especially time. I think time is actually the bigger saving in this case. If a girl is a candidate, then I sit down, get a drink, make eye contact with her some more, smile at her and see how she reacts. If she's responding well, then I call her down. I ask a few basic questions before getting her an LD. The answers themselves are not really that important. It's more about how they respond. You can filter out girls who are really closed up and uninterested very quickly. I think you need to do this because sometimes their attitude when they sit down and when they're on stage can be very different. The girls get money and a rest from the stage when you get a drink for them, so there's an incentive for them just to sit down with you. At first I thought it's somewhat deceptive, but if you see it from their perspective, you'll understand. They're up there for several hours a day, wearing next to nothing in an air conditioned room, music blasting non-stop. I do have one question where the answer does matter, which is whether they have had a boyfriend or not in the past. If they didn't it could mean they're a cherry girl and that's not what I'm going for on this trip. The cost is something like 30 k to pop their cherry. I didn't ask for details, but this is what I read from the forums. Now if the girls pass the interview phase, I get them a drink and talk to them some more. If they seem interesting after a 10 minute conversation, I can pretty much decide to take them back. However I've gotten caught with the "I'm on mens (period)" thing at the stage where I'm about to BF them. So it might be a good idea to ask them at the beginning? I don't know how you would ask that question though without sounding like a pervert. I mean, yes everyone knows you're here for pussy, but I notice that girls do get a little turned off if you ask that question. So up to you I guess, YMMV. Perhaps if you ask it correctly, it has no long term consequences. For me I never asked the question and paid maybe 3 LDs, or about 800-900 p, that I didn't need to pay.

Negotiating services with bar girls (not including freelancers):

I negotiated with a bar girl maybe once or twice because I wanted something specific (photos) or multiple pops. But other than just unenthusiastic service, which I explained before how I would avoid in the future, by the second week of my trip I never had a case where I didn't get what I expected. During my first week however I was expecting LT to be the default, but then I almost always would get ST from the girls. I ended up preferring ST though. During my first week, the girls would leave immediately after one pop or one pop plus half an hour of watching TV or playing with their phone, and I'd wonder whether it's something I did wrong. By the second week of the trip I'd actually prefer most of them to go, except a few really nice looking and enthusiastic ones where I specifically asked for 2 pops. I already mentioned this in another report, but I don't find conversations with the girls to be very interesting due to their limited vocabulary and I prefer sleeping alone. I can adjust the temperature as I want, I'm a light sleeper, and I like having space in bed. Your preferences may be different but this is what I want. Also getting ST means being able to get a different girl afternoon and night which is a plus.

That's all I'll write today and I'll continue this half-report half-guide tomorrow.

[Threadbare]

I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one. Anyway, afternoon of my return from Subic I needed a few things, so walked over from the Central Park Tower to the mall. Bought what I needed, walked around looking longingly at the sweet young things in there, without any return of interest. I decided a drink was needed so went to the open plan Starbucks right in the middle on the ground floor. I got a drink and sat down, just watching the passers by. Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down. She said she had been waiting for a friend, but hadn't managed to meet up. I bought her a coffee, chatted a bit, and long story short, invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed! We went outside and took a trike back to CPT. We got to the room, and turned out that she could do massage, so I gave her a bit of cash and she went out to get some oil etc. I gave her a 500 p, and she left her phone and handbag, so I wasn't too worried that she wouldn't return. So a really good professional massage, which of course led on to the inevitable. She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. We exchanged numbers, with a view to her coming back, but I had other things in mind, and in the end didn't see her again. Looking back, that was a mistake, she was very nice girl and we had a great session, but plenty more fish in the sea! She didn't ask but I gave her 2000, which she was delighted with. Of course, reception called as she was leaving to be sure everything was ok. First time I have stayed there, but the doorman remembered me from Pacific Breeze, which is same owner and where many of the staff have come from, and he even remembered that I had had some money stolen 2 years ago! Its that sort of hotel and I will return.

[Mr Enternational]

I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one... Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down... She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. We exchanged numbers, with a view to her coming back, but I had other things in mind, and in the end didn't see her again. Looking back, that was a mistake, she was very nice girl and we had a great session, Great reports Threadbare. To me this is what it is all about, not hunting down 18 year old, tall, light-skinned girls. Sure sometimes I get criteria of a certain type of chick that I would like to find and take for the night, but I do not get obsessed about it. I just go out with an open mind and see what I can get into.

[MS Clive]

I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one. Anyway, afternoon of my return from Subic I needed a few things, so walked over from the Central Park Tower to the mall. .....

Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. ....
invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed!
.....

She stayed about three hours altogether, and we had a very nice, relaxed time. These chance encounters are the most memorable hookups of my life. Too easy to pick up P2P girls but catching one 'normal' girl from the mall is priceless.

[Rstoff]

I posted on here a few months ago for some information regarding AC at Easter. Most replies were negative, and I have since had second thoughts about coming. I have a one way flight booked Bangkok to Manila ($150) on Saturday March 26th. Then going AC on Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Subic Bay for 2 days, then back to AC for another 2 days, back to Manila before going home on Sunday April 3rd. Serious Question. Shall I not take my flight to The Philippines and stay in Thailand?. Or can a good time still be had. Please be honest.

[Sexmachine1]

Sorry for the late trip report. My best friend KC and I started this trip with 2 days in Macau (See report in Macau thread). 5 days in AC and then 13 days in Pattaya (Report to follow). It's our first time in philippines so we were very excited. Here goes our experience -.

Landed at Manila airport around 1 pm. Devera hotel sent a taxi to pick us up for 2700 Php. Coming out was a breeze. Driver was waiting with a sign. We left Manila airport pretty quickly but as expected, a lot of traffic. Took us 4 long hours to get to AC. Very tired by the time we got to Devera Hotel. 2 beautiful young girls at the reception. If this is any indication, we are going to love AC. Check in was a breeze. Our rooms were small but adequate. Very clean and seemed like recently renovated. Staff was extremely courteous and helpful. 1400 Php is not a bad price.

I don't want to write every minute of our 5 days there but here are some observations and experiences. YMMV. You may even read it as a comparison to Pattaya, where we go every year.

Walking street in AC is lot smaller than the walking street in Pattaya but still a decent no. Of go go bars, with quite a few girls available.

After the first night, we never went back to Perimeter bars. There were no girls to our taste there.

Thai girls are prettier than filipinas IMHO. Nonetheless, there were a few good looking, young, slim girls available in AC. Can not compare AC with a few years before since this was our first time but there weren't too many girls to our liking. Kinda glad that we only booked for 5 days.

Quality and variety of food is Hundred times greater in Pattaya than AC.

Lot more to do in the day time in Pattaya compared to AC.

We went to almost every go go bar on walking street. We had a really good time in go go bars in AC but the girls in Pattaya are a lot more fun to talk to, to play with, get dirty with etc. Girls in AC seemed a little bit shy compared to their Pattaya counterparts.

To their credit, AC girls seemed a lot less professional about their work than the Pattaya girls. They were more interested in LT. Meanwhile, most pattaya girls are looking for ST.

AC is about 20%-30% cheaper than Pattaya when comparing drinks, girls costs etc. I don't mind that.

Each of us took a girl every night. So, 5 girls for me for 5 nights. 2 girls stayed until 2 in the afternoon. Other 3 stayed until 10-11 in the morning. All were nice and eager to please. 1 from High society had a bit of an attitude but once she was told who the boss was, she was no problem for the rest of the night. I find that in AC or in Pattaya, or in most places around the world, taking charge is not only necessary, it's expected. Subtle reminders to her keep her in line.

We didn't pick anybody over 22 so it was a bit of work to find cute, young, slim girls but it was doable. Many go gos weren't even worth spending any time in since there were no girls to our liking.

I picked 2 girls from Club Ra (3000 Php each), 1 from Doll house (3000 Php), 1 waitress from Q bar (2400 Php) and 1 from High society (1500 Php). Club Ra was our favorite to pick a girl fom. Doll house and Crystal palace were more fun to hang out.

Now the big subject of Rejection. At Doll house, Crystal palace and 1 dancer girl at Club Ra refused to bar fine. All saying that they just started a few days ago and do not go out with any customer. They were all nice, courteous and polite. After a bit of persuasion and involving waitress and mamasan, 2 agreed to go out for fun but no sex. Do you think I was going to agree to that? I don't think so. 3rd dancer girl indeed had a bad attitude from Club Ra. I bought each of them a drink but I had fun with them in the club so I'm not complaining for a $3-$4 drink. So, in all, I lost like $10-$12. Think I can afford that. I quickly chose a new girl who was more than happy to bar fine.

Spoke with many waitresses and Mamasans. When you call a girl over, you are fully entitled to ask her if she bar fines or not, before buying her a drink. This is for people who do not want to buy lady drinks to the potential nay-sayer. I personally don't mind it. Since, I will usually get my drinks worth by having fun with her, kissing her, fondling her etc.

I'm always nice and chatty to the waitress and mamasan as soon as I enter. Sometimes, they can help you. It doesn't necessarily mean buying them a drink. You can always refuse nicely. If the waitress is cute and willing to have fun, I will buy her a drink. But you don't want to be too friendly either otherwise, they keep pestering you for drinks and also, annoy you when you are sitting with a girl. Totally ignore them at your convenience. Just do it tactfully.

As soon as you enter the bar, waitress will be all over you and will try to seat you down where she wants. Do not get rushed. Look around, walk around the club, find a seat to your liking and sit down. Don't let them tell you where to sit.

Another thing to do is to go in a bar, take a slow stroll to cover the entire bar before sitting down. While walking, look at all the girls on the stage and sitting around, if you do not like anybody, there is no point in sitting down and wasting time and money on drink. Don't let them rush you. Stand your ground and if you don't like anybody, move on to the next bar without spending any money. You are welcome to come back to this club tomorrow.

Also, if you get the waitress to call a girl over, she will immediately ask you to buy her a drink. If you call a girl over yourself or if she comes to you on her own, waitresses are usually not all over you to buy her a drink. Gives you a few minutes to pre-screen her.

Kokomo's food was below par. For breakfast, there was a bakery we liked which was 2 doors down from our hotel. We ate there everyday. Decent breakfast and good selection of baked goods. We found it to be busy at all times.

Did attend Scorebirds weekly Pool party. Nothing special but not bad for 1 time. 500 Php included for food and drinks. Pretty reasonable price.

Every manager and owner we talked to in AC, complained of slow business. This high season being more like low season. Some blamed world economy, some blamed falling currency rates and some blamed Manila airport horror stories.

Overall, we had good time. No complains. Will we visit again? Definitely. When? Not sure. There are many other places to visit but we wouldn't hesitate going back. We really like Germany and Latin America especially Brazil. But whenever we are in Asia, we will go back to AC.

Luckily, our flight was 8 in the morning so leaving AC to reach Manila airport was a breeze. No traffic. We got there in an hour and a half. No problems at the airport. Off to Pattaya for the rest of our trip. Will post in Pattaya thread soon.

SexMachine1.

[Pantot]

In it's present form Central Park was finished over a year ago. I stayed there twice during the final construction and it cost me 2000/day. Now that they are finished I think it is over 3000, hence my reason for staying at Eurotel this time around. Central Park itself is not new though. They tore down the old one to build the new one. When I first went to AC years ago, I asked here on the forum and people recommended Pacific Breeze. When I tried to make reservations they were full, so they recommended the sister hotel the next street over. Central Park. It was my hotel of choice until they tore it down. It was in no way in bad condition at the time. I guess they just had a vision to build new and make more money. The 2 times that I stayed at the new construction I have seen Filipino families and businesspeople staying there as well as mongers.

AC bars are in 2 locations, Fields (which the 4 Blow Row bars can be included in) and Perimeter. It is easy to walk the ones around Fields up to Insomnia Bar outside of the Walking Street section. As a matter of fact how else would you get around to them at night since the street closes to motor vehicle traffic? And in the daytime you would look kind of silly taking a trike the short distance from one end to the other. If you are not lazy then you can walk to the ones at Perimeter or catch a trike and walk them from the first bar where you are dropped off. They are not spread out at all. What other locations in AC do you know with bars catering to foreigners?Once you get past Insomnia there are still quite a few bars though they are not clustered like fields. The prices are generally lower barfines and ladies drinks and your drinks. There is a little cluster of bars around Eruptions and then further down past Petron and Sunset Garden Hotel there is a group of about two dozen bars around Garfields. That is what I always thought of the perimeter. This past New years I picked one up from Ice House bar my very last night a few girls I would have taken and it was cheap. Two scotches and 2 LD and my total bill including the BF was like 2400 it seemed too low. I forget what the exact barfine was. I never remember shit like that unless I write it down and I don't.

Past that according to this map I picked up at the hotel lobby there is another small cluster but I think that's the beginning of Korea town I don't have first hand experience. Then down to frienship is full blown Koreatown. I have been driven past it but never stopped. I am sure Koreans are pulling girls out of those KTV places but its just a guess.

Its funny this map appears to be pretty recently printed but its already out of date with the rate of change in AC. Miss Magic is no longer a bar its a Steakhouse amongst other changes.

This is probably impossible to decipher here due to the scale. If you PM me I could try sending it for any interested members. I scanned it and pieced it together in photoshop. It has a weblink but I couldn't find this map online. Its a pretty cool map and is available probably at all the listed advertisers. Sorry for the quality I suck at Photoshop and compression etc and by the time I got it small enough to upload it will likely be blur. Its called City Guide Angeles City Entertainment Center and the red dots are bars and most all are named. I hope this upload isn't a total fail but you get the idea.

Sunset Garden has an excellent outdoor restaruant by the way ever meal I or my gal ever had was superb. Its always empty for some reason the prices are pretty high so the cheap hotel guests cheap guys like me, don't eat there as much as you would think.

[Pip Jaeger]

I have often read here about meeting girls in the SM mall, but had never managed to pull one.SNIP Soon I noticed a very attractive lady about 30 standing, apparently waiting for someone. I glanced at her, she just waited there, so after a few minutes I caught her eye and smiled at her. She smiled back, so I gestured her to come and sit down. She said she had been waiting for a friend, but hadn't managed to meet up. I bought her a coffee, chatted a bit, and long story short, invited her back to my room, to which she readily agreed! SNIPShe didn't ask but I gave her 2000, which she was delighted with.SNIPSorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.

[Pip Jaeger]

These chance encounters are the most memorable hookups of my life. Too easy to pick up P2P girls but catching one 'normal' girl from the mall is priceless.Is that to say that the P4 P girls (and I include bar girls as well as semi-pro's and pro FL's) are abbynormal? Good thing the girls are mostly petite and not 7 and a half foot long, fifty-four inch wide gorillas.

Please define normal.

[NapaSlapper]

Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.

I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.

Angeles bar owners take note.

[WorldTraveler3]

Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.

I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.

Angeles bar owners take note.I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.

Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.

[Pantot]

Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substantially and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be their ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.

[Threadbare]

Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.

Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.I'm sure you're right PJ, I can live with that. It was still an unplanned and enjoyable experience. She certainly didn't need much persuading to come with me!

[NapaSlapper]

I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.

Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.There is nothing you could say to most bargirls (within reason) that they have not heard before, so do not be shy but be nice about the way you ask.

Some might refuse (nicely), some might be willing to do your fetishes for the right price,

You will never know unless you ask.

[NapaSlapper]

Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.Pantot, with all due respect, any young girl who is accepting cash payments in exchange for providing pussy is a prostitute regardless of how one dresses it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

Most pinays i know that made it through higher education,college,university did it by some help of family members that are working abroad and also the girl working a night job themselves,usually in a restaurant,mall etc,

They would not have dreamed in a million years of selling their pussy to an old guy in exchange for payment to help them,

once that idea enters their head then they are alas the same as any bar girl (prostitute) selling her pussy by the hour.

[Mogwai]

Getting around the bar areas:

There are 2 main bar areas, Fields and Perimeter. You can walk all of Fields easily. Along Perimeter, I ventured only as far as Lost in Asia and backtracked eastwards by walking. From Fields to Lost in Asia it's a 100 p trike ride. Some trike drivers will try to charge you 150 but tell them you know it's 100. My first ride ended up being 150 but later one of the bar girls I took back got the "local price". It's not a big difference but I get annoyed by locals trying to shortchange visitors. Happens everywhere obviously. I haven't 100% figured out how to use the jeepneys. I think you wave them down and when you want to get off you just tell the driver. Much cheaper but the savings aren't worth it for me at least.
Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!

Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.

Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!

Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.

[X Man]

At the trike lineups, they all are watching. If you are farther down the road and talk to a drive by himself, you can negotiate 50 with some of them. I personally never get into a trike when the driver shouts, "TRIKE, TRIKE" to me. Annoying.

The tricycles seem to have different designs in different geographic areas of the Philippines. Oddly, AC trikes, with a long history of dealing with big and tall customers, seems to have the smallest trike. Someone please explain that. Who makes these machines?

I was surprised in Biliran to see full size bicycle trikes, whereas you usually find smallish bicycle tricycles in most other areas. BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.


Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!

Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.

Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!

Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.

[Mr Enternational]

Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. So how much do you pay or how much is the local price? My expat friends tell me the price is 70, but they will try to get you for 100. I thought that was a little excessive seeing that I only give them 80 to and from the bus station. That is usually as much as I take a trike, but I was running late to meet a girl at the mall the week before last and hopped into one. When we arrived at the mall I asked him how much and he said 100. I laughed amd said nice try and handed him 70. It seems I remember it being 120 from my exgirlfriend's house which is about 15 minutes away.

[MeSoHorny]

Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.Not sure about whether the girl was a FL, but it did sound a little too easy. You know what they say about when something appears too good to be true.

Ignorance is certainly bliss. I've picked up a girl outside Mcdo and a girl working in a laundry mat. But it was too easy getting them into my room. I doubt either of them were never involved in P4P.

[MeSoHorny]

Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards.
AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.Which Philippines hotel is not overpriced? Never found a good deal for a Philippines hotel.

And I cannot believe that Mr. E says AC is covered in only 2 blocks.

Perimeter alone is more than 2 blocks. But guess he was referring to guys who stick to Fields.

[Dg8787]

Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.

Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.

I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.

Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.

Get the agreed price and your destination up front.

[Dg8787]

Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.

Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.

I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.

Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.

Get the agreed price and your destination up front.

[WestCoast1]

BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.The human-powered thing is a pedicab.

[Mr Enternational]

I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.

[WestCoast1]

Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.Concur, with one exception. The trykes on Walking street, the ones that line up, the drivers tend to tell you 100 before they will agree to take you anywhere. If you try to haggle, they will not budge down. For most any other trykes, they are not stuck on the amount, unless they can convince you of that after the ride. If you and he made no prior agreement, then handing the driver 70 (or 50) instead of 100 will not break his piggy bank today. However, most gringos are afraid of a loud tryke driver.

The exception: If I pay p10 for a tryke ride in AC, while Mr E pays p100 for the same ride (possibly to the same driver), Mr E did not get ripped off. That's only a $2 difference, and meaningless to most of us. For most of us spending a week in AC, you're only going to be in a tryke 5-10 times. Even if you pay the extra $2 each time, that's only $20, and means you walked much less than you had to. I think we often get caught up in trying to *not* pay the gringo price, when usually in totality it is small.

[Dg8787]

Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.20 or 30 pesos is not worth it to me. Maybe to someone else but not to me. Most trike drivers are skilled drivers and get me to my destination safely. Hardly have any not known some of the out of the way locations I have gone to and the long ways around the traffic areas. Most know the exact location of pot holes on every street.

I don't come to AC to change the trike charging policies.

[Fastpiston]

Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.

Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.

[Mr Enternational]

Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines.Exactly. In Dumaguete it was 10 pesos for a trike to take you to the other side of the city. And they were big and comfortable.

I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.And the bad part is that you will not even see it coming.

[Pantot]

May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.

My original response was to Threadbare saying he met a girl in SM Clark who was about 30. A 30 yo female in AC or anywhere in the Phils who s not smoking hot is considered middle aged by themselves not just me. She never asked money and he offered 2000 after it was all said and done was the was the quote. She didn't beg for it or even say, 'you will help me right?' sometime before having sex. Sure if he was SM Davao instead of SM Clark then assuming she's a 'prostitute' would be less likely. I don't know Threadbares age or game or relative attractiveness to 30 year old random mall Pinays. But he seems like a nice guy. If she's a pro her method of giving it all and then without any hints him giving her money at the end well that's unlikely.

The fact in getting girls to fuck in the Phils is incredibly easy compared to the entire english speaking world. If you are in reasonably good shape and behave well finding 30 year olds for a 50 to 60 year old western man is pretty easy. Me I go for younger so of course I almost always pay but I have landed free sex usually with 25+ or moms.

If you are a foriegner and find a girl in the Phils and she not your age and from the upper class then I suppose they are all Semi pros we fuck or visit as short term or long term GF's.

Same with wife of Donald Trump etc. Its a world of semi pros as opposed to the virtuous pinays Napaslapper knows intimately enough to know they would never dream of it heheh.


Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC.

I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. And walking is safer then trikes. Half the time I meet meet pinoys with huge scars its 'trike accident'. I use the Main Gate. Jeep alot. I even last month got adventurous and took a jeep from Metro Mall to Main Gate it got on the Nylex and cost P14 instead of P8.

Hell we could nearly all use the excercise. The main times I am forced to use the trikes is from the Dau bus terminal to my perimeter hotel because of the roller bag luggage issue or from Clark Airport. Or also whenever I barfine a girl. Once I have selected that girl I am too damned impatient to get her naked to walk. And only because my hotel is in the perimeter. If my hotel is in Fields I would rarely use the overpriced trikes.

[WestCoast1]

Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. Its still prostitution..


I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC. Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.


I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.

[GoodEnough]

Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.

[NapaSlapper]

Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.

[MeSoHorny]

Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.
And that is the mentality that drives the trikes drivers to charge the high prices and continually try to push up the prices.

Just like Double Ladies Drinks, despite all the complains about the prices, as long as there are people who willingly pay, it will always exist.

I personally avoid trikes and DLD as much as I can. I'd think that if they followed the price matrix, or just halved their asking prices, I'd probably take the trikes more often. Thankfully most things around fields and perimeter are within walking distance. Only problem is when it rains.

[NapaSlapper]

Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. Its still prostitution..

Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.

We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.Westcoast1,I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

The semi pro as some call them has also accepted in her mind that she willl be giving up her little young pussy to some guy old enough to be her grandfather to be paid or in the hope of getting paid for it.

As I have already said, the girls that are not prostitutes would never even have that thought,or that thought would revolt them, they will work themselves, often very long hours just so they do not have to try to earn pisos by selling their pussy/hope to sell their pussy to anyone, not even the once,

the word prostitute is any girl willing to accept that she will give pussy in exchange for money/possible money,even if the guy refuses to pay her she is still a prostitute because she thought/expected she would be paid,

there is absolutely no difference in the girl who expects/gets payment only a few times of the girl who has done it many times,from that very first time both are prostitutes,same same.

[Hutsori]

Westcoast1, I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

Agreed. It's a distinction without a difference. I'm not quite sure what gave rise to its use; words and expressions are to convey meaning. As the barriers to entry, such as training and skills, are practically non-existent for a prostitute it really isn't a profession. More a job, I think.

A better, more accurate expression for semi-pro is part-timer, a girl who does this from time to time. Perhaps semi-pro is intended to be a euphemism, but part-timer isn't too harsh or blunt an expression in and of itself.

[X Man]

Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.


GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.

[NapaSlapper]

Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.X man, instead of asking me to explain, why did you not, easy to see how you got to those few thousand posts without saying much useful LOL.

Any ways, if you had paid attention to the forum you would know that just a few posts back a member has already given a full explanation on jeepney use, how much it costs and how to pay.

For me, I always stay at the lewis grand, great rooms and to also have the limo service 24/7 so that one does not have to take the risk of getting robbed / pickpocketed on the angeles jeepneys, take ones life in ones hands by sitting in a tiny angeles trike while being fleeced.

[Dg8787]

Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.Easy to use. You get on and get off where you want to.

Jeepneys run a certain route and return the same way. Like from checkpoint to friendship and return from friendship to checkpoint. I believe the cost is 8 pesos still. You can get on or off at any point of the route or at the station.

At the station you buy a ticket at the official ticket stand and get on the next available jeepney. The ticket collector will collect the tickets and off you go. When it is within 50 feet of your stop you yell out "para po", don't worry if the driver doesn't hear you, the passengers will chorus your para po. Squat and drag your ass off the jeepney. If you miss your stop like I did the very first time then you just get on the return jeepney and pay another 8 pesos.

If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.

Best to keep your major funds in your back pocket and sit on it. I keep my cell phone in my front pocket and have my hand or elbow on it to avoid pickpockets.

[Mr Enternational]

Jeepneys run If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.

[X Man]

You guys are hilarious. Well, some of you are. One guy continues whining.


I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.

[WestCoast1]

As the barriers to entry, such as training and skills, are practically non-existent for a prostitute it really isn't a profession. More a job, I think. SNIP Thanks. Completely missed that angle. I was not thinking of it in terms of professionalism at all. Was thinking of it more from the viewpoint of the ladies (and certain gents). Ladies in LA Cafe, Atlantis, and High Heels understand they are puta (pro's, full-timers, call it what you want). They even on occasion talk about providing sex acts as their job. "Of course I sex you no condom. Its my job" (exact quote in Body Shop). "You don't f*ck my ass. Or you give 1000 more for that" (another exact quote recently in a Burgos bar). There is no confusing these women as sex providers for money.


A better, more accurate expression for semi-pro is part-timer, a girl who does this from time to time. Perhaps semi-pro is intended to be a euphemism, but part-timer isn't too harsh or blunt an expression in and of itself. Part-timer might be a more accurate description than semi-pro. These girls may (or may not) think of themselves as prostitutes (whether they are or they are not is another matter).

In my mind, there is a clear distinction between these two types of women. A rose is a rose. For the full-timers mentioned from the quotes above, you wouldn't hesitate (the first time you met her) to say something like: Can you swallow for an extra 500? OTOH, imagine a DIA girl you meet for the first time in CDO. She might have been fully willing to sleep with you the first time you met her, and hoping you would put 1000 pesos in her purse in the morning. However once those words about swallowing for 500 leave your mouth, you've got 2 seconds to get your face out of the way of her swinging hand. She doesn't consider herself puta, even though you are the third foreigner she's slept with (for money) in the last year. Of course, by definition, she's a prostitute. But she might not see it that way (and BTW, some gents don't see it that way either).

[Dg8787]

I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.You might have to wait a week for the change. Not that someone would pocket your money on the way to the driver. If I remembered right the driver pays 400 pesos a day for jeepney rental plus fuel cost and possibly some kind of payment to the stations. He is lucky if he gets 4 round trips a day with 14 passengers out of the chute each time. Not a whole lot of pesos there.

I am kind of surprised you would be carrying a 1 k note! Jk.

[Member #4566]

Apropos of the "trike" discussion............The problem with trike drivers in Angeles is that there are too many of them. Although they get more per ride than anywhere else in the PI, they are not as busy. This probably causes them to be cutthroat. If you visit the hinterlands, trike drivers are different. A ride in Dumaguete is about 20 pesos. The issue with the AC trike drivers is not the extra pesos that they are shaking you down for but rather the unrelenting nickle and dimeing and where are you going to draw the line. Sometimes I feel like the people in the PI want me to unload my money as quickly as possible upon arrival and don't come back until I have some more. But as for me, I ride the Jeep whenever possible just to avoid the aggravation with the trike drivers. Sometimes I take a jeep even with a girl that I am taking back to my hotel. If the trike driver changes the terms after the ride is over, I just give him what was first agreed on and walk away. Finally, you have to have some sympathy and understanding for these guys; what a way to earn a living. Many sleep in their trikes rain or shine. Not much future or upward mobility in that job.

[Red Kilt]

Orchid Inn - before and after.I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.

[Soapy Smith]

I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.Actually, even the "tree through the roof version" shows a type of Philippine "progress. " Throughout Metro Manila and other quickly urbanizing settings you see where they have paved a sidewalk or courtyard right up to the trunk of some tree that had the misfortune to have grown there. Then, since no water can get through to the tree's roots, the tree dies a slow death, one major branch at a time. Then they cut off the major branches a little above where they branch off from the main trunk. When the tree falls or can be pushed over easily, progress is complete. This appears to be the approach that was taken with this unfortunate tree.

[Mogwai]

I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.And then you get 992 one-peso-coins as change? LOL.

[Pip Jaeger]

The issue with the AC trike drivers is not the extra pesos that they are shaking you down for but rather the unrelenting nickle and dimeing and where are you going to draw the line. Not just the trike drivers who try to nickel and dime you, but just about everyone you deal with in the Phils. And that includes the government.


Sometimes I feel like the people in the PI want me to unload my money as quickly as possible upon arrival and don't come back until I have some more. That about sums it up! But I still love it here. After all: "It's More Fun In The Philippines"!

[Pantot]

And then you get 992 one-peso-coins as change? LOL.Well a few things to note and lets see if anyone agrees.

I have never been squeezed by a Jeep driver, the price is fixed. AC and bumfuck Visayas or Mindanao its sort of a national law.

I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.

The only way you can get picked is getting in and out. The severe crouch of getting in and out leaves only your back pockets exposed.

Any world traveler who keep anything of value in his back pocket is crazy. Jeep street etc. I guess if your trousers are so tight that it would take a crow bar to pry your wallet out of your ass pocket then go for it. I'm too old to wear the ball crushing style.

If you are a much bigger than me guy and / or not younger or more agile I would avoid the jeep experience. Its a f-ing tight fit designed for a relatively small or young populace.

Once you get inside a jeep its the best of the Phils culture honestly. Everyone moves around to let everyone fit in. You just hand your money as long as your arm extends and the change comes back its never a haggle and the fellow passengers pass it on its natural all learn from birth is like breathing air. Just tell the driver where you want to go and he will tell you if he goes by there. The jeep is a unique Phils experience and so local that even in a place like AC its clean. You just bang on the ceiling wherever you want to get off or say hey boss right here and he hits the brakes. The pinoy jeep drivers are the hardest working most honest guys in the entire country especially in AC.

[GoodEnough]

Well a few things to note and lets see if anyone agrees.

I have never been squeezed by a Jeep driver, the price is fixed. AC and bumfuck Visayas or Mindanao its sort of a national law.

I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.

The only way you can get picked is getting in and out. The severe crouch of getting in and out leaves only your back pockets exposed.

Any world traveler who keep anything of value in his back pocket is crazy. Jeep street etc. I guess if your trousers are so tight that it would take a crow bar to pry your wallet out of your ass pocket then go for it. I'm too old to wear the ball crushing style.

If you are a much bigger than me guy and / or not younger or more agile I would avoid the jeep experience. Its a f-ing tight fit designed for a relatively small or young populace.

Once you get inside a jeep its the best of the Phils culture honestly. Everyone moves around to let everyone fit in. You just hand your money as long as your arm extends and the change comes back its never a haggle and the fellow passengers pass it on its natural all learn from birth is like breathing air. Just tell the driver where you want to go and he will tell you if he goes by there. The jeep is a unique Phils experience and so local that even in a place like AC its clean. You just bang on the ceiling wherever you want to get off or say hey boss right here and he hits the brakes. The pinoy jeep drivers are the hardest working most honest guys in the entire country especially in AC.This whole discussion is an eye opener for me, even after 11 years here, during which time I've never ridden on a public jeepney. It is however, an experience I would prefer to have vicariously. And I leave it to you younger, more agile and adventurous guys to keep writing about it. I'm a strong advocate of real mass transit, but unless and until this country actually has any, I will stick to Uber and other private cars.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

I think the pick pocket thing is crazily overated when it comes to us foriegners unless you are very clumsy. Here is why. 99% of the jeeps I ever piled into I was by far the largest person in there. And I'm only 5'10" and 175 pounds 80 kilos right? I keep Nothing in my back pocket as I would guess most seasoned third world travelers observe as well. Once you are in that jeep often you are packed in like sardines. Nobody could squeeze anything out of your body without you noticing.I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney. The reason is simple. People who ride jeepneys are not high rollers. So a much more lucrative target is somebody who is exiting a Western Union or Moneygram facility. "Holdappers," as Filipinos call them, are more likely to work in pairs and figure out a way to trap and strongarm somebody who has just exited such a business, such as when they are walking toward a jeepney stop. There are of course purse snatchers, including those riding as passengers on loud under-powered motorcycles, and those who snatch jewelry and the like from unsuspecting passersby. But these are easier to accomplish in a mall or busy area where the getaway is easier than it is from a jeepney. I have been told about thieves who carry knifes and slit packs and purses in jeepneys to get at valuables. But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.

[WestCoast1]

I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney.Was picked once only, walking on Fields in AC, but an old lady. Have taken, and continue to take, all forms of transport. You know, in many provincial cities, there are simply no taxis. One spends a week in Surigao and you jeep / tryke several times a day. If you are worried about getting picked, make sure you divide your money and keep several sources on you (some in this pocket, some in that pocket, some in a sock). A mere p50 remaining on your body will get you to your hotel no matter what city you are in. Try cargo pants or those that have zippers on the pockets (very hard to open quietly on a vehicle that rocks to and fro).

OTOH there are guys in Manila / Cebu who will rob an entire jeep at knifepoint as it sits stopped in traffic.

[X Man]

Went to church in downtown AC. On the way back the guy next to me was squirming. While he distracted me, the guy one over pulled out my wallet. Maybe I didn't pray hard enough.


I have used jeepneys on many occasions and neither I nor anyone I know well have been pick pocketed in a jeepney. The reason is simple. People who ride jeepneys are not high rollers. So a much more lucrative target is somebody who is exiting a Western Union or Moneygram facility. "Holdappers," as Filipinos call them, are more likely to work in pairs and figure out a way to trap and strongarm somebody who has just exited such a business, such as when they are walking toward a jeepney stop. There are of course purse snatchers, including those riding as passengers on loud under-powered motorcycles, and those who snatch jewelry and the like from unsuspecting passersby. But these are easier to accomplish in a mall or busy area where the getaway is easier than it is from a jeepney. I have been told about thieves who carry knifes and slit packs and purses in jeepneys to get at valuables. But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.

[X Man]

I liked it too The security guy liked it too. He says it's a lot hotter now. No shade.


I quite liked the earlier "tree through the roof" version, but I guess that's progress.

[Hutsori]

Try cargo pants or those that have zippers on the pockets (very hard to open quietly on a vehicle that rocks to and fro)Yeah, those are OK, but button the flaps on the cargo pants. A mate's wallet was nicked from his leg pocket by a street seller or accomplice right by Amazonia in Manila. The MO is to get close and distract you with flowers, viagra, whatever. Don't fool yourself that there's safety in numbers; there were four of us close together when the pickpocket struck. The most brazen are the street kids who swarm in groups.

[Tasss]

Part 1 here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1#post1835784.

Fields vs Perimeter:

The two biggest differences between Fields and Perimeter are 1. Price and 2. Open and close times. Fields BFs tend to be 2500-3000 while Perimeter ranges from 1500-1800 as far as I can tell. There are a few bars in between Walking Street and where the Perimeter bars sort of formally start, like Eruptions. I think the further you move away from Fields the cheaper it is generally. As far as looks go, the girls generally are no worse looking in Perimeter. You'll also find 18 year olds there. However, the rare stunners I've seen were all spotted at Fields, especially at the "show bars", which are the ones with a big stage. Examples of these show bars are Atlantis, Carnival and Dollhouse, although I didn't see any standout girls when I visited Atlantis. The hottest girl I laid was a door girl from Carnival, so I recommend giving that one a peek inside. The show bars' BFs are all 3000. Regarding open and close times, the Perimeter bars open earlier, like 2-3 pm and close earlier as well, some at 12, some earlier. The Fields bars are open until about 3 am.

Raymond Street ST bars:

There is a small collection of 2 or 3 small bars at the end of Raymond Street near Orchid Inn. I walked by once in the afternoon and there were maybe 8 girls outside who will wave at you to come by. The selection is clearly very limited and I saw just one girl who's not fat or ugly whom I took for 800 p. Service is about as expected, one pop, not much chatting, very much a business transaction. Worth a shot if you just need something very quick. There's no buying LDs or anything like that. You pay and go to your hotel.

Freelancers:

For me, the freelancers were the most interesting part of the trip because of the variety of results I got. Around AC I believe you can find FLs in many places as described by others on the forum, but are most concentrated around Fields walking around and in the clubs like Skytrax and High Society. I've heard many of them are off-duty bar girls, but among the FLs I've taken, none of them fit that profile. Some of them were ex-bar-girls, some just seemed like they needed extra money and never formally worked in the industry. Regarding the clubs, Skytrax and HiSo, I prefer the latter because it's bigger, has a decent sized dance floor, and I feel that the male-to-female ratio is lower at HiSo. I dropped by Skytrax twice and it was kind of a sausage fest both times and so didn't stay. They also get started around 11 pm and are quiet earlier. HiSo seems to have a 200 p cover charge during weekends but it's free to enter during the week. I do feel that the freelancers are on average better looking than the bargirls, probably because without a stage, they have to compete for customer's attention for the 2 seconds they're looking at their direction. I didn't see many fat or ugly looking ones during my trips to High Society.

Since it's difficult to generalize the FL experience it's better to actually talk about them to give people an idea of what that's like.

1. First time in HiSo and I wasn't sure whether I had to do any filtering to see if the girls are working or not. I just decided to go for it an talked to a very cute girl who's with a friend and asked her to dance. She agreed and we had a good time on the dance floor. At this point I wasn't quite sure whether she was a working girl, partly because of how good looking she was, but a friend of mine who has been living in AC for several years just happened to come by. I asked him if she was a working girl, he said yes, which got me over this newbie hump of worrying whether she'd go home with me. However she was still having a lot of fun in HiSo, and so was I, but around 2 am I asked if she wants to go back, and she wasn't ready yet. More doubts now in my mind about getting laid tonight, but she wasn't putting any pressure on me to buy drinks for her or anything so I just went along with it. Around 4 am I asked her again and she said OK. We had a really good sex and a few hours later (7 am) she had to leave. She only asked for transportation money but I gave her 2500 anyway. As a HiSo newbie, the uncertainty of whether I'd get her to go home with me was part of what made this exciting, even though later successes taught me that my chances were probably pretty good to begin with. The other part was that the FLs actually seem to be having fun in the club so it felt less like a business transaction.

2. I was going to HiSo one night and around where Oppa Restaurant is, a girl who was sitting next to the road with a couple of others waved at me to come by. She was actively soliciting herself so no doubts about what'll happen afterwards. She was slim and kind of cute, so we negotiated for 1500. Her friend, who as kind of chubby, asked if I wanted a 3-some and I declined. But she came along anyways. I made the mistake this time of not locking up my stuff when I was showering, but nothing bad happened this time (it will be bad on a separate occasion). They were fortunately two honest girls who were just trying to make some money and could have easily stolen from me. I had a good ST experience with the one girl and she left afterwards. Tipped her 500.

3. I met the girl from #2 again another night I was going to HiSo but declined to take her this time. Instead I got in the club, and after a while another girl was trying to get my attention. I ignored her a few times, but eventually since I didn't find any other suitable candidate, I went back to her. It turns out this is the one who stole money from me while I showered. You can refer to one of my earlier posts for this report.

4. Same night as #3 since I didn't want to waste that night, I went back to HiSo again. I didn't see the girl from #2 this trip back but as soon as I got in the club, I looked around and a decent looking girl was playing with her phone near the back of the club. Being pretty sure she was working, I asked her straightforwardly whether she wants to go back, and she said yes. Not much effort involved this time and neither did I want to spend much effort since it's 4 am. However I should have negotiated the price before we left as she wanted 3000 for ST. We eventually settled on 2500 after stalemating for about 15 minutes. Two lessons learned that night: negotiate with FLs beforehand and keep your belongings safe.

5. Walking to HiSo again, a girl walking the opposite direction stopped me and solicited her services. I declined, started walking away when the same girl from #2 saw me and waved at me again. I went to talk to her but excused myself anyway. Looking for fresh meat that day. In HiSo, I was being a little picky and observed the dance floor for like 30 minutes when I saw a good looking slim girl. I went down there and asked her to dance. Seeing that she's pretty responsive and doesn't mind me grinding her, after a while I proposed she leave with me for 1500, which she accepted. Turns out she used to be a spotlight girl at Salambo. Good ST experience in bed and tipped her 500.

6. My final experience at HiSo wasn't much to talk about. I basically walked in there at 12 and after 4 hours of walking in and out of the club I found nothing worth pursuing. This was near the end of my trip so I was being way too picky probably. One girl looked good from a distance but up close was less than expected. Another one I danced with but was kind of cold. I excused myself but she followed me for a bit until she realized I wasn't interested. Another one I simply got rejected by. Went home empty handed that night, but the point is that if a person wasn't picky, High Society offers plenty of interesting options.

Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. I believe if you're kind of introverted like I am, you may find the times between the hunt to be pretty boring since you have very little to talk about or do with the girl. For people like me, finding a monger buddy can be a really great since you can hang out and actually discuss things you wouldn't talk about outside of this city. I was fortunate to meet a fellow ISGer during my trip who made my 2 weeks more interesting. In fact if you look at the Koreans coming to AC, they're almost always in groups because most of them have a hard time communicating with the girls in English. I seriously have seen like two or three lone wolf Koreans out of the hundreds walking around. However if you like the dating experience, including spending money on the girl for non-sexual experiences, I think AC can be an easy place to get that. Compared with what I'm used to in China, the experiences are more varied and things are less organized here. The girls definitely get closer to you at a personal level. I feel how much you enjoy AC depends so much on how active you are in looking for what you want and how patient you are, something I honestly wasn't used to. I'll be back for sure but not clear when that would be.

[Soapy Smith]

OTOH there are guys in Manila / Cebu who will rob an entire jeep at knifepoint as it sits stopped in traffic.I recall such an incident from a few years ago somewhere on the east side of Metro Manila, maybe Pasig City. Two guys with knifes worked their way through the jeepney lifting watches, wallets, and jewelry--until they got to a guy who was an off-duty pulis. He pulled out his service pistol and killed one of them on the spot. The other holdapper took off running, others on the jeepney caught him and nearly beat him to death before other pulis arrived.


Went to church in downtown AC. On the way back the guy next to me was squirming. While he distracted me, the guy one over pulled out my wallet. Maybe I didn't pray hard enough.Moral of the story: don't go to church. What you got was karma for the hypocrisy of showing up in church after all your sinful behavior.

[Pantot]

But unlike Pantot's description of the barriers to getting at a rear pocket, these things are more vulnerable because they are out in the open. But I have only heard of these events in second hand accounts.Sorry if I was unclear about barriers to a rear pocket. The rear pocket is the one most vulnerable when entering or leaving a jeep as it is exposed up in the air I tried to say that but I guess my language was clumsy. The front pockets are entirely inaccessble in the severe crouch position entering and exiting the jeep as well as sitting with our long legs. I was blessed with a severe sciatic nerve ass issue in my late 20's where anything in my rear ass pockets beyond a slip of paper cause me severe agony.

The main pocket vulnerable is the right leg open holster pocket of the old dad jeans and shorts of which I have too many I guess. For the past 15 years it has been the location of my cellfone in my hopelessly out of date baggy jeans / shorts style.

I had my first pickpocket issue ever after many trip all over and it was a little beggar kid who bugged me for half a block around Margarita Station and he grabbed my Samsung S3 Mini Globe fone from my holster jean pocket and bolted backwards. Luckily a intrepid young lady of about 22 ish intercepted him 10 feet behind me and snatched it back with her equally quick lightning reflexes and handed it to me and called me sir in one of those incredible acts of kindness you get which restores your faith in humanity. I thanked her and she seemed upset that the little kid robbed a tourist. She was more angry than me.

But Jeeps everywhere are the best of the Phils acting in a communal nature they welcome the obvious foriegners and apprecitate them rubbing elbows and every other part of your lateral anatomy literally with the common people. Someone will try to help you find wherever you are going and they will love to show their english skills and local knowledge to get you where you want to go. Thats the one and maybe only 1 part of AC honestly that is just like the provinces and its why I really appreciate it. Its just the regular simple people crammed into a common space and working together to get from eaches particular point A to point be. I have taken that Main Gate terminal towards Friendship Jeep many times day or night and if any jeep route in AC would be grounds for trouble that would be it but in my experience no.

Keep in mind I am not commenting on the Metro Manila jeep system I don't have experince nor do I wish too. Just AC and every province I have ever been to. Its always "sir you need to get out here" by some other passenger usually a middle aged lady.

[Manny51]

Part 1 here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1#post1835784.

Fields vs Perimeter:

The two biggest differences between Fields and Perimeter are 1. Price and 2. Open and close times. Fields BFs tend to be 2500-3000 while Perimeter ranges from 1500-1800 as far as I can tell. There are a few bars in between Walking Street and where the Perimeter bars sort of formally start, like Eruptions. I think the further you move away from Fields the cheaper it is generally. As far as looks go, the girls generally are no worse looking in Perimeter. You'll also find 18 year olds there. However, the rare stunners I've seen were all spotted at Fields, especially at the "show bars", which are the ones with a big stage. Examples of these show bars are Atlantis, Carnival and Dollhouse, although I didn't see any standout girls when I visited Atlantis. The hottest girl I laid was a door girl from Carnival, so I recommend giving that one a peek inside. The show bars' BFs are all 3000. Regarding open and close times, the Perimeter bars open earlier, like 2-3 pm and close earlier as well, some at 12, some earlier. The Fields bars are open until about 3 am.

SNIP

Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. I believe if you're kind of introverted like I am, you may find the times between the hunt to be pretty boring since you have very little to talk about or do with the girl. For people like me, finding a monger buddy can be a really great since you can hang out and actually discuss things you wouldn't talk about outside of this city. I was fortunate to meet a fellow ISGer during my trip who made my 2 weeks more interesting. In fact if you look at the Koreans coming to AC, they're almost always in groups because most of them have a hard time communicating with the girls in English. I seriously have seen like two or three lone wolf Koreans out of the hundreds walking around. However if you like the dating experience, including spending money on the girl for non-sexual experiences, I think AC can be an easy place to get that. Compared with what I'm used to in China, the experiences are more varied and things are less organized here. The girls definitely get closer to you at a personal level. I feel how much you enjoy AC depends so much on how active you are in looking for what you want and how patient you are, something I honestly wasn't used to. I'll be back for sure but not clear when that would be.Thanks for the summary about AC.

Travel is so time consuming in the PI, that on my last trip, I decided to skip it. I don't regret it, but I do have this nagging dissatisfaction that I didn't check it out. Something seems wrong about visiting the PI and not checking out AC.

Now that Zika is spreading through much of the world, I am considering a return trip. Maybe combining AC with Palawan / El Nido and Sinulog next year. Hmmmmm.

[IllusionHeart]

Part 1 here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1835784&viewfull=1#post1835784.

6. My final experience at HiSo wasn't much to talk about. I basically walked in there at 12 and after 4 hours of walking in and out of the club I found nothing worth pursuing. This was near the end of my trip so I was being way too picky probably. One girl looked good from a distance but up close was less than expected. Another one I danced with but was kind of cold. I excused myself but she followed me for a bit until she realized I wasn't interested. Another one I simply got rejected by. Went home empty handed that night, but the point is that if a person wasn't picky, High Society offers plenty of interesting options.

Conclusions:

I was satisfied by my first experience in AC. By the end of 2 weeks it did get a little monotonous, so I think maybe 10 days would have been better. Good summarisation of your experience Tass.

I am an introvert myself and would agree that things start to get monotonous post the 7th day mark unless you have a wingman or a girl whom you want to spend time with holed up in the Hotel room (Seriously doubt that) or travel around somewhere.

I visited Hi-So during my first trip. Few nights alone and few with the girl I had bar fined. On the nights alone I didn't find a single girl I wanted to take back. Most of them were hard core or appeared so and didn't incite any interest for me. I guess maybe I am also picky and don't mind paying top dollar for the top girl. In my second visit I skipped Hiso completely and didn't feel the need to go in there. Too many good options in bars. Just to mention I have never skipped visiting discos on any night in any of my visits in Pattaya.

However the fun within the 7 day window remains unbeatable cost and qualitywise in AC and is surely worth repeat visits. People will have different opinions and I respect that but to decide VFM / T is upto an individual. AC is VFM / T for me.

[John Traveller]

If you can comprehend English, I am saying you (only you) are giving some incorrect facts.

private pm sent to you greenbud.maybe now you will stop your constant whining/flaming, baseless accusations.

sorry to all the other board members for having to put up with this crap. There are different opinions. But that bars are empty and Ac dead is not stating an opinion. It is incorrect and it is a lie.

You are reminding me of M. McCobb again. Which make me speculate you have an agenda of your own. Or of your organization.

[John Traveller]

Here are my questions:

1. Is there a way to avoid double LDs.

2. Is is rude to not tip the waitresses?

3. Should I just be generally less accommodating to all the working girls on Fields. Like making sure the girl and I have chemistry before paying for her LD? The upfront costs just seems like a waste.

Thanks!1. Yes, say you want to buy a single. (You can also ask her if she goes out before you buy drinks at all.).

2. What is "rude"? It is to you what you want to tip. They expect tips, BUT you decide. A small tip of 10 p is ok.

3. Not sure what you mean. But the general advice is to only buy drinks and take out if she seems friendly towards YOU.

Remember that YOU are the customer, YOU have the money, YOU are the king. And don't tip if you are not satiesfied, that gives the impression that you are easily fooled.

[John Traveller]

Thanks for the answer Dg.

One other thing I wonder about is how you guys have been able to I guess make LT even worthwhile. I find the conversations with the girls thus far to be pretty unexciting and we get bored of each other quickly. Their limited English certainly makes any deeper subjects off-limits. 2 out of the 3 girls I've been with wanted to go back to the bar after the first round anyway, possibly because I was BF'ing those two at 7-8 pm. Are you more experienced guys getting LT frequently and how are you actually spend your time together so you don't bore the fuck out of each other?
Yes, the amount of runners have increased. For me it has been 1 of 3 runners for the last three months. Probably less compared to you because I try to screen them out about before buying SLD as well as during the "interview".

To decrease the number even further you can ask before you BF: "How long time do you stay?" You can even ask before you even buy her the SLD: Then just ask in a more general manner, like: "Do you go ut with customer? Do you go longtime?" This way you can get the rejections after buying drinks down to 0. Runners maybe down to 1 of 5 or lower.

Regarding talking: Remember that fucking is the main thing here, and that is what we have in common with the girls. Still, what I like abut AC is the Long Time-option , not only for a second round, but for the hugging and sleeping together. And you can talk about simple things. Why do you want to talk Einstein? Try to make her learn you some Tagalog phrases.

[John Traveller]

Just returned from Subic Bay and Angeles City after spending a week there. Encountered some girls on their period like Tass but was informed after buying them a lady drink and moved on. Your comment about the waitress's being your friend is excellent advice that I employed during my stay. They can sort out which ones have kids, can't do LT, etc. Without having to buy Lady drinks and finding out on your own. There are so many girls available you really need some help sorting them out when a waitress can narrow it down for you. And yes the waitress's should be tipped for their assistance when taken. Good advice.True, waitresses can be helpful, so best to make them your friends. What they know about the girls vary a lot though, mamasans know more.

[John Traveller]

With a high percentage of the type of girls on offer in most angeles bars, sleeping with my cock in my hand is the preferred option and has been done many times in angeles.

Alternates to that is to hunt high and low like a madman searching out the few good looking. Slim, young girls, the ones that every one else is searching like a mad man for and is in extremely high demand so that maybe I don't sleep with my cock in my hand.

Before you say, why do you visit angeles then, I have explained countless times, I have to be in angeles very regularly, no choice, work and family reasons.Then why do you write on this board if you don't like the place.

Stop bothering us!

[John Traveller]

So this is no reflection on all High Society girls, I had a great pickup my first time there. But today, a girl from there stole 5000 p while I was taking a shower. She made an excuse about how she just found out about her menstruation so she had to leave. I was already skeptical at that time because I heard some rustling while I was showering. After she left, because of my suspicion, I checked my cash and noticed it was there but unfortunately did not count it. The front desk called to make sure things were OK and I let her go. Then a minute later I thought about it some more and counted the money and it was indeed missing a few 1000 p notes. Smart thing to have done was to just keep your wallet with you while you shower I guess but WTF. Maybe some advice for those taking out FLers I guess.

I ended up reporting the details to the police station. Not sure what they can do about it but I felt it had to be done. The doorman was extra helpful throughout this so I tipped him 50.

Anyways it was about 4 am at that time and pretty much Fields has shutdown. I didn't want to waste the night, so the only option was something like Hi So again or Skytraxx maybe. So back to Hi So, picked up another one, decent ST session, says she has to go after that round. I made sure my wallet wasn't touched that time. But as I read from previous reports, a standard ST tip for FLers was 1500. She was upset about that so I said 2000. Still unhappy. She wants 3000 for ST and I'm like fuck no. She says I'll call the police, and I'm like I've already been there today. Let's go together. So we stalemated for like 15 minutes and I'm trying to convince her that I'm not a chump (WAS, maybe not now). I then offered her another 500 and then finally she agreed to leave. I was about to call the front desk on her if she didn't but I figured 10 USD extra isn't worth bothering the front desk twice in one day. By the way if my prices are off, let me know and I can adjust my expectations. And also if I should negotiate prices prior to leaving HiSo, let me know that as well because most people are reporting just tipping when she leaves.

I spent 5.5 k yesterday on a super hot door girl (BF + multiple drink rounds) and I thought that was relatively expensive already. But much less than today's tab. Overall today's damage was a bit over 8 k or 160-ish USD. Less than the American prices. So, not terrible but lesson learned.

Stay cautious everyone.1. Keep all money in a safe place.

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.

[NapaSlapper]

Then why do you write on this board if you don't like the place.

Stop bothering us!Bothering us?, who is us?, oh you mean the very few angeles bar owners like yourself who only want to hear what suits your pocket.

Boards like this one are here to exchange information between mongers/visitors on any given destination, members want honest / unbiased opinions,good and bad, or what they saw/experienced on their last visits,

I am sorry that our honest posts/ trip reports do not sit well with you,i wonder why.

[NapaSlapper]

1. Keep all money in a safe place.

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.Why would you advise visitors to not go to the angeles discos when the discos have far better looking, slimmer girls at half the cost of angeles bars.

This has been reported by many in their trip reports lately and I too found it to be 100% true.

Yes not good news for the angeles bar owners but very good news for the visiting monger who finds what he wants and saves lots of pisos too.

[NapaSlapper]

For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used.

You are sitting on a jeepney,3 or 4 pick pockets get on and sit close to you, usually 1 on each side and opposite, don't forget jeepneys are small and are not built for westerners so sitting close is normal.

While the jeepney is moving the pick pockets opposite to you drops a handful of small coins on the floor, you being the gentleman lean down to help pick them up, its now while your mind is occupied that the pickpockets sitting next to you will strike.

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.

My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.What is so interesting about a bar? A lot of guys here would even say that when they go into the bars most of the girls seem bored. Women in a disco have a party attitude. I would advise that since you went all the way to AC, why not check out everything and decide for yourself what works best for you.

[GoodEnough]

the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.

[Mr Enternational]

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.This is an old trick used in inner cities against men who carry wallets in their back pockets. You cut the bottom of the pocket and the wallet eventually falls out while the guy is walking. If you carry only bills tucked down in your front pocket then you will not have this problem. I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.

[NapaSlapper]

I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.GE, have to fully agree with everything you said here.

The only thing I would add is for newbies to be very careful of freelance girls in the discos / online who look young.

[Pantot]

For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used.

You are sitting on a jeepney,3 or 4 pick pockets get on and sit close to you, usually 1 on each side and opposite, don't forget jeepneys are small and are not built for westerners so sitting close is normal.

While the jeepney is moving the pick pockets opposite to you drops a handful of small coins on the floor, you being the gentleman lean down to help pick them up, its now while your mind is occupied that the pickpockets sitting next to you will strike.

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.

My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL.This is an absolutely absurd and a paranoid scenario. What Angeles jeep route did this occur in? Have you actually been in a Jeep in AC? The people are stuffed in like sardines as I said. Unless you weigh about 100 pounds you can't lean over and pick up coins off a jeep floor and expose your ass. This tiny foriegner would have to be drunk out of his mind to allow this while some one carves his back pocket with a razor?

How tall was 'your friend'? 5 flat and 80 pounds? Thats the only way his ass could have been exposed in a jeep. Being a gentleman we help the pinays with heavy lifting and reaching things up high not picking up coins. When the carved out his wallet did they also pull the hayseeds out?

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket. Moneybelts are great for intercity or international travel not barhopping in a jeep for a night.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. All mens attire have this nifty feature and will make it impervious to any pickpocket who does not hit you a full on frontal assault in the street. The FRONT pocket is IMPOSSIBLE to reach on a man in a jeep in any scenario. You are in a fetal crouch position the entire time unless you are a child or a circus midget.

Napa your advice on Angeles City is pretty off base usually for anyone who actually enjoys the place. Ok we get it you don't like the place. The fact that you spent many nights with your dick in your hand in AC says alot more about you than AC itself. Angeles is what it always was. The bars are staffed with a representative proportion of a crossection of young poor brown pinays from the lower classes from all throughout the archepelago. Its not a place to find a girl that looks like a star of a GMA soap opera. There are no university graduates with which to discuss the meaning of mans existense in the galaxy.

Its the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.

You come off as a guy in a beer drinkers forum who doesn't drink beer. Ok we get it, you are FORCED to be in AC for whatever reason. You seem to go out of your way to post negatively about the place from every angle possible.

The story of getting your money carved out in an Angeles jeep takes the cake hats off to you 'common'? Give us a break. This is a tall tale for the ages and patently absurd to anyone who has take one trip in a jeep. Stop trying so hard to be negative about the place.

[NapaSlapper]

Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.

Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits,things i see with my own eyes,

If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.

[Member #4698]

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. I couldn't agree with you more on this. I carry what I need for a day or night's entertainment in my front right jean pocket. I carry my cell phone in my left front pocket. Never had a problem. Moneybelts are counterproductive and a pain in the side. They really mark you as a newbie and a target if you open it in public. I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. Perhaps I should not be giving this secret away. Ha Ha. I never take money from it unless I am alone. Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.



AC is the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.
Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood. I met my first working girl in Jamaica over spring break when I was 19. Hazel, what a great girl. She shagged me for free and taught me doggie. I will never forget her.

[Mr Enternational]

If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place. What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.

[WestCoast1]

2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.


Bothering us?, who is us?, oh you mean the very few angeles bar owners like yourself who only want to hear what suits your pocket.Some confusion: NP are you usaying John Traveller is an AC bar owner? Or just suggesting it?

JT?

[WestCoast1]

For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used. Never once been bothered on a Jeep. I routinely ride jeeps and trykes.


My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL. Just my opinion. Interesting that we all seem to not want to get picked of what is often small amounts. Like all of us, I don't want to lose my money either. I put bills in several different locations on my person when I go out: right-front pant pocket, left thigh pocket (cargo pants that zip), in a sock, in a shirt pocket sometimes. Unless I'm out for an evening of fun, I usually limit the total to a small amount (as in a few hudred pesos). No kidding, in Cebu last year I went out one night to meet a member for dinner at a nice resto. I took a credit card for the meal, but I had p400 cash for the night with me. I taxi'd across town to enjoy his company, then taxi'd to the Vikings bars to meet a different buddy for a beer, then jeeped back to my hotel (short hop, could have easily walked the mile to my hotel). Still had change left from the 400. Started with 200 in two different pockets. I got some food poisoning that night, and I remember feeling lousy in bed the next morning, but laughing to myself at how cheap it is in phils, and how little money one needs to actually have on him to get back to his hotel: no matter where you are, no matter the city you're in in phils, you only need a max of about 30 pesos in your pocket to get back to your hotel. One jeep? Two? Hence I keep a small bit of money in separate pockets, in case I lose (or have stolen) from another pocket. When going out at night, I rarely take more than p1500 with me (often p1000), even with no CC. I take more if I intend to barfine, but otherwise, that's plenty for transport, a few drinks and dinner.

I choose not to worry about being picked. Was picked only once, on the street in AC, because I let my guard down (I think p800 or so, I reported it here previously) and let someone touch me. This is so rare, that its not worth worrying about (its part of doing biz or vacationing anywhere). A related story. In Body Shop a few years ago was a fairly inebriated large Aussie. He wasn't obnoxious, he was just drunk and being a bit loud and having fun. When he paid his bar tab to leave he pulled out of his right-front shorts pocket a wad of p1000 notes (he's a fat guy and he had to stand up to get into his own pocket) and peeled one off to give to the waitress. The was must have been at least 20-30+ notes. He shoved the remainder into his same pocket while the waitress made change. When she brought the change he pulled out his wallet from his left-rear shorts pocket and shoved the change bills into that. Your first thought is: that's not smart, to let everyone see that kind of coin on you (an easy target, not only the amount, but the specific pockets). A bit later I was walking down Real St and noticed the same gent at the muslim clothing stalls. I too stopped there to look for a 1-piece girls bathing suit. The gent bought something, again pulling out the large wad of bills and paying for it. Again one might think: Not so smart, fella, to flash that kind of cash on the street. He walked away a happy man in punani heaven. I would guess that he's never been picked. While its a problem, especially in dodgy sections of Manila, it probably has never happened (often) to most of us. Like him, I prefer not to let the thought worry me. If some pickpocket gets my full money on a barfine night, in advance I'm going to let it go.


I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.Ya. Been discussed here before. Always get a kick out of guys who make a target of themselves by toting a wallet that's visible in the pocket. It falls into the same category as jewelry (please, leave it all somewhere safe). Money in your various pocket is invisible till you pull it out (no picker will have any idea what pocket to hit if he does not know what pocket to look in).


When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.Not to inflame, but IMHO the idea of going to the CR to get at money when paying a bill seems a bit much. OTOH, in AC bars there have been times when I've stepped into the loo crapper stall to be out of eyeshot, just to count. Confirm my money.


I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. SNIP Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.Interesting. Must look into that type of belt (for general traveling, not for going out at night). I stopped carrying a CC / ATM in phils unless I know before I depart the hotel that I will need it for a specific purchase.

[Pantot]

Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.Bending down while on the sitting does not expose your ass pockets in anyway. At 95 kilos you should know this. You cannot raise your ass more than 1 milimeter. It is wedged up against the back of the crude jeep communal bench. Reading things on the net and then claiming it was your friend kills your credibility. I am 80 kilos so smaller than you and I cannot imagine the actual physical possiblity of a razor attack on me un noticed while I'm sitting as you say.

I seriously doubt your have ever been in a jeep to say these things. Most foriegners haven't. If you haven't that's fine and no crime but just stick to personal experiences here and not hearsay and net reports as there are so many people who have first hand experiences that can seperate the fact from paranoia. Crimes would be simple snatches of carry on items jewelry bags on the floor hand held etc.


Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.Ok sorry for being too harsh here in that aspect. I apologize.

I can relate to a level of concern that may cause one to keep ones 1000 notes money in the money belt while out in the Bars but Westcoasts advice to keep various bills in different wad in front and zippered pockets works for me that's what I do. Cellfone and small notes in one pocket and big notes for the eventual barfine and a hankie in the other pocket along with a debit card just in case. I probably should always carry a photocopy of my passport some where on my person and did for years but have gotten lazy lately. We should all do it if only to make it easy to identify the corpse in a timely manner and notify our love ones in the worst case scenario.

I bought a moneybelt many years ago and still use it for all my trips where I carry a passport and serious money but not for a simple night out but I respect your decision to use it always.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits, things I see with my own eyes.


If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.I think the level of detail I provide in all my posts establishes my bona fides. I never quote friends or what I read in other boards or even here. I give actual accounts of a place I visit often and know intimately. When I post in places I have never visited in ISG I just ask questions.

[NapaSlapper]

Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend.

Although I visit Angeles very regularly my chances to meet with friends / family to go out to a nice restaurant and to barhop is limited to usually 1 or 2 nights per trip.

I like to often treat my close friend/family to a restaurant meal and a few nice bottles of wine, I will often then head out on barhops, buy drinks, buy some lady drinks, maybe barfine so I can easily spend 10,000 pesos on a complete night out, some times more.

Yes fully agree that if one only takes out a couple of hundred pesos then just putting them in pockets is normal and not much to worry about if stolen, but when it comes to carrying much larger sums in order to enjoy the things I enjoy then my hidden money belt is a very sensible thing to use IMHO.

[Sxxxx]

Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend. ....................Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.

[Pantot]

That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place.Sorry for being unclear. I was not contesting that no young modern western man cannot enjoy Angeles or the Phils or the easy sex places of SEA in general. My point was that if you go there and its not your cup of tea it may be because you are too young and too proud of your game at your age to appreciate. The vacuous minds of young province Pinays would have left me wanting at their age. Now they are a welcome respite the emotional baggage of the females I could land and reel in in my country at this stage of my life.

These days I would guess 95% of the white guys I see in AC are 30+ at least. The other non white foreigners trend younger.


What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.Thats a whole different world. I wasn't there. Pinatubo exploded 25 years ago. The internet did not exist. Clark was likely the premier world station for getting easy pussy I agree. I was the age of young airmen in the '80's but not in the service. I was getting all the young pussy I wanted at home in normal everyday life. If I were stationed at Clark in the 80's I would have thought I had the best posting in the world.

I am not contending young men cannot like young pinays of AC. I am just saying if some here think its meh then one reason may be they are too young to fully appreciate it like I would have at that age. Its not geared toward young servicemen or young men in general anymore. Hence the repeated refrain I here lately about the bars being 'boring'. If I were young I would think they were boring too and very monotonous cookie cutter. I am just thier to extract a cute fresh young brown female and the atmosphere is all just background noise good bad or indifferent.


Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood.Yes but would we have fully appreciated it at the time? Thats my point. Plus I wasnt about to fly halfway around the world on my own dime back in the day to get laid. Thats all there is to do in AC these days. Back in the day the bars served a younger military crowd I'm guessing. Now they are geared toward an older crowd.

One distinction about posters and why we disagree is where we are in life and why we go there. If you are young and / or there for business purposes have expense account etc its a completely different perspective than for a middle aged guy like me there to have fun strictly and visit GF all over the country, snag some BG's etc.

Then you have Phils residents expat retirees who have a whole different set of concerns. Also fluent native language speakers versus those if us stuck in english. If every poster listed his reason for being there in a shorthand bio there it would all be less contentious here but their are privacy concerns so its understandable.

I don't want to keep anyone away! And I don't have a business interest. In the phils my money goes one way. Out of my pocket.

[Free2]

I regularily take tricycles and jeepneys.

Because I am a tallish porinner, I always go 'backrider' on trikes, sitting behind the driver. Can't fit into the damn things or I always end up banging my head so hard on the metal rod roofs. You can also see where you are going if you sit behind the driver.

For jeeps, I always (contrary to local tradition) go sit right behind the driver. You have to do money duties, but it is fun to engage. This way my legs are not in the way of passengers getting on and off and I can talk to the driver about my exact location. Near the driver you are not quite as susceptible to snatchers if you sit right by the door. It is also a little bit safer because you also only have 1 person on 1 side of you rather than both sides.

[Chocha Monger]

Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.A stainless steel cylinder in the back pocket would frustrate pickpockets but make negotiating airport and mall security a bit more interesting.

[NapaSlapper]

Bending down while on the sitting does not expose your ass pockets in anyway. At 95 kilos you should know this. You cannot raise your ass more than 1 milimeter. It is wedged up against the back of the crude jeep communal bench. Reading things on the net and then claiming it was your friend kills your credibility. I am 80 kilos so smaller than you and I cannot imagine the actual physical possiblity of a razor attack on me un noticed while I'm sitting as you say.

I seriously doubt your have ever been in a jeep to say these things. Most foriegners haven't. If you haven't that's fine and no crime but just stick to personal experiences here and not hearsay and net reports as there are so many people who have first hand experiences that can seperate the fact from paranoia. Crimes would be simple snatches of carry on items jewelry bags on the floor hand held etc.

Ok sorry for being too harsh here in that aspect. I apologize..Pantot, please read fully what me and other board members have posted before replying.

I have clearly stated I have been on jeepneys many times, I have clearly stated that I had clear knowledge my friend had been pickpocketed on the jeepney by having his pocket cut,(it 100% happened regardless of what you claim)

I then separately stated that if you were an unbeleiver that pickpockets target jeepneys then there were many reports on the net / boards of guys saying they have been pick pocketed on jeepneys.

Please show me where I first read reports on the net and then claimed it was my friend, the two are totally separate if you had cared to read.

please feel free to continue to reply to my posts but please read what I have actually said before you reply and wrongly accuse,thanks

[NapaSlapper]

Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.Sxxxx, although I like to protect my money a steel tube in my ass may be a step too far LOL.

[Pinaypounder]

Pantot, please read fully what me and other board members have posted before replying.

I have clearly stated I have been on jeepneys many times, I have clearly stated that I had clear knowledge my friend had been pickpocketed on the jeepney by having his pocket cut,(it 100% happened regardless of what you claim)

I then separately stated that if you were an unbeleiver that pickpockets target jeepneys then there were many reports on the net / boards of guys saying they have been pick pocketed on jeepneys.

Please show me where I first read reports on the net and then claimed it was my friend, the two are totally separate if you had cared to read.

please feel free to continue to reply to my posts but please read what I have actually said before you reply and wrongly accuse,thanksHalf or more of the women I know have claimed to have lost a phone or purse on a Jeepney. My GF back was stolen from us in a McDonalds in Makati WHILE WE SAT AT THE TABLE, we were shocked and there was a Security guard 18 feet away.

Shit happens here!

Be prepared!

PP.

[Pinaypounder]

1. Bring 2 Credit cards never carry then together.

2. Empty your wallet of the useless cards Costco, Scene etc BEFORE you come here.

3. Carry 2 k in your wallet the other cash in your front pocket.

4. No exposed jewellery, your nipple rings are ok, I got my necklace grabbed in Pasay.

5. don't get drunk (I never do in a foreign land) and if your drunk take a cab. Have some one you TRUST with you. 75% of trouble starts with drinking to much. Trust me you don't need liquid courage to get laid here and everything is better sober!

6. Order and install my KidnappedApp which can protect you in case you are abducted. www.kidnappedapp.com https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kidnappedapp.kidnapp.

Good luck be nice stay sober and FUCK YOUR WAY TO GOOD health.

PP.

[Sxxxx]

Sxxxx, although I like to protect my money a steel tube in my ass may be a step too far LOL.To execute that one, you need 'steely resolve' , LOL.

[Pantot]

Half or more of the women I know have claimed to have lost a phone or purse on a Jeepney. My GF back was stolen from us in a McDonalds in Makati WHILE WE SAT AT THE TABLE, we were shocked and there was a Security guard 18 feet away.

Shit happens here!

Be prepared!

PP.Exactly.

Not that any Pinays read ISG but the main danger in jeeps is of snatch and grab stuff you expose that they can simply swipe and run out the back. If I or laid my bag of serious valuables on the jeep floor or started counting my 1000 pesos notes while licking my fingers and a wiry little 90 pound kid grabbed it and ran, It would be gone forever. I could never catch them in 1 time out of 1000.

If your valuables are in your front pockets you are fine. Every experienced ISG voice on this board noted that was his practice. All of us who admitted to many jeep experiences, None of us have ever noted a problem on a jeep in this latest discussion.

Every story of jeep horror stories in Angeles (? Maybe its never specified) occurs to some one I know or girl who lost the cell maybe the guy paid for. No girl I ever bought a cheap cellphone for ever dropped it in a puddle or left it somewhere or ever had the nephew fling it across the room and kill it or had it stolen by a cousin. It was always snatched! In public by a stranger.

I doubt many mongers carry man purses on jeeps those of you who do. Stop it. You are warned!

I have yet to hear one first person account here of any monger who had his valuables extracted from his core front man pockets while seated on a jeep. This is 3rd world travel 101.

As was noted if you are hammered don't take a jeep. The tight confines will make you bump your head and step on passengers feet entering and exiting much less make you are target of opportunity.

I am not saying jeeps are oasis of safety in the Phils. But they are safer than the streets. Your main exposure is entering or exciting of your ass or side pockets. Your front pockets are so secure in any jeep due to the crouched nature of it. Its not a bus. I am 5'10 and I can't sit completely upright in most AC jeeps. In province jeeps or multicabs sometimes they have headroom. The tight nature makes our core secure while exposing the relatively tiny locals I. E our girls to true 'pick pockets' who literally pick thier body pockets which they can due to them as opposed to us whom rather they can only grab our openly exposed valuables.

This AC jeep paranoia for us mongers is wildly overblown I'm sorry. The street is your most open place to be taken advantage of of by far.

And in addition as far as safety is concerned I will for once refer to anecdotal evidence of the girls over many years. I break my rule of trying to provide first hand accounts only as evidence to you guys but when ever I notice a large scar on a girls legs etc that's noticeable usually the response is 'trike accident' I don't recall many if any answer of 'jeep accident' though I am sure they occur and of them all log in millions of more hours of both modes than any of us and Jeep mileage for the poor bar girls over their young lives outnumber trike mileage by a factor of 10 or 100 or a 1000.

Don't get me started on exhaust fumes at trike street level as well I crowded streets especially.

[NapaSlapper]

Exactly.

Not that any Pinays read ISG but the main danger in jeeps is of snatch and grab stuff you expose that they can simply swipe and run out the back. If I or laid my bag of serious valuables on the jeep floor or started counting my 1000 pesos notes while licking my fingers and a wiry little 90 pound kid grabbed it and ran, It would be gone forever. I could never catch them in 1 time out of 1000.

If your valuables are in your front pockets you are fine. Every experienced ISG voice on this board noted that was his practice. All of us who admtted to many jeep experiences, None of us have ever noted a problem on a jeep in this latest discussion.

Every story of jeep horror stories in angeles (? Maybe its never specified) occurs to some one I know or girl who lost the cell maybe the guy paid for. No girl I ever bought a cheap cellfone for ever dropped it in a puddle or left it somewhere or ever had the nephew fling it across th romm and kill it or had it stolen by a cousin. It was always snatched! In public by a stranger.

I doubt many mongers carry man purses on jeeps those of you who do. Stop it. You are warned!

I have yet to hear one first person account here of any monger who had his valuables extracted from his core front man pockets while seated on a jeep. This is 3rd world travel 101.

As was noted if you are hammered don't take a jeep. The tight confines will make you bump your head and step on passengers feet entering and exiting much less make you are target of opportunity.

I am not saying jeeps are oasis of safety in the Phils. But they are safer than the streets. Your main exposure is entering or exciting of your ass or side pockets. Your front pockets are so secure in any jeep due to the crouched nature of it. Its not a bus. I am 5'10 and I can't sit completely upright in most AC jeeps. In province jeeps or multicabs sometimes they have headroom. The tight nature makes our core secure while exposing the relatively tiny locals I. E our girls to true 'pick pockets' who literally pick thier body pockets which they can due to them as opposed to us whom rather they can only grab our openly exposed valuables.

This AC jeep paranoia for us mongers is wildly overblown I'm sorry. The street is your most open place to be taken advantage of of by far.

And in addition as far as safety is concerned I will for once refer to anectdotal evidence of the girls over many years. I break my rule of trying to provide first hand accounts only as evidence to you guys but when ever I notice a large scar on a girls legs etc that's noticeable usually the response is 'trike accident' I don't recall many if any answer of 'jeep accident' though I am sure they occur and of them all log in millions of more hours of both modes than any of us and Jeep mileage for the poor bar girls over thier young lives outnumber trike mileage by a factor of 10 or 100 or a 1000.

Don't get me started on exhaust fumes at trike street level as well I crowded streets especially.Again you are not reading what others are posting before ranting on and on.

Pinaypounder has clearly stated that jeepneys are the walmart for pickpockets = (many pickpockets on jeepneys or many tagets on jeepneys for pickpockets).

Pinaypounder also clearly says that he knows many that have claimed to have things taken on the jeepney,he did not say how they were taken yet you read this to mean no one can ever get pickpocketed on the jeepney or that no one can have things taken from their pockets, he did not say that yet you clearly twist things to try to prove your point.

Just because pick pocketing has not happened to you does not mean it does not happen, as I said google jeepney pickpockets angeles and you will see a whole heap of guys / girls claiming to have been pickpocketed, I have witnessed pickpockets on jeepneys, know 1st hand of guys that have been pickpocketed in jeepneys so your argument hold no ground.

I have also travelled hundreds of times on malaysia airlines, my flight has never crashed/gone missing, it has never been shot out of the sky by a missile that does not mean it did not happen or that some 600 people did not lose their lives it just means it did not happen to me,

You also recently claimed to all this board that certain southern parts of mindanao were totally safe to travel to, everyone here disagreed with you, most if not all world governments disagree with you and have categary 1 warnings against visiting yet you still carried on with you posts of its totally safe, even to the point of falling out with senior members, maybe you should tell the people who were recently kidnapped in mindanao that its totally safe because you say so,i think you will find they will disagree stronly with yourself,

if you Want to comment on the jeepneys then saying something like I have never been picked, or I have not heard of pickpockets is fine and correct, claiming it is impossible and that other members must be lying / mistaken is not correct or in keeping with the harmony of this board imho.

[GoodEnough]

While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.Precisely GE.

I cannot understand why you pend SP much cash to arrive in AC then take a 8 pesos jeepney when some hotels offer free rides to the main places, or if you really must trike it.

Crap happens all over the world if you don't look after your wallet etc. Friend was robber di Addis a while back by street urchins and he did not feel a thing, mates in Cebu are careful when they wander around Colon (or Mango at night).

My advice is don't ride Jeepneys as most of the girls I know have lost cash, mobiles on them (as PP said) and a westerner is a sitting target IMHO.

But some like the thrill etc is fine YMMV but some pay thousands of USD and then don't look after valuable when outside carefully? Is like the Japanese tourist I have seen wandering on Copacabana with the expensive cameras hanging from their neck and flashy expensive watches on the wrists. And they wonder why they are robbed LOL.

[NapaSlapper]

While these endless posts on where to stash money and valuables while riding in one of the world's least comfortable means of transport are doubtless fascinating to some, none addresses the larger question of why anyone would ride them when other modes of transport are available. Jeepneys, like Bush taxis in Africa, are the apotheosis of third world development and their attraction for foreigners is beyond my limited comprehension. As an alternative in Angeles, I'd suggest hotel cars, often offered gratis to guests or, all else failing, one of the iniquitous trikes, which are equally uncomfortable but allow one to circumvent any threat of being robbed.

GE.GE, you are correct, enough about the jeepney pickpockets.

As I posted recently I stay at the Lewis grand which has a 24/7 limo service so that I no longer have to use the stinking / uncomfortable jeepney.

Here's the problems I find with using Angeles trikes.

Scum bags for drivers, high chance of them being drunk or on yabba,10 x the cost of trikes anywhere else in the phills but most of all its much too small, its also very low to the ground so that one is at the height of the tail pipes and exhaust fumes of surrounding vehicles,

But the main concern has to be safety, being that low to the ground in an accident I could easily see a real risk of a passenger being decapitated.

yes its a bit more expensive to stay at a hotel that offers car service but money very well spent imho,

[GoodEnough]

Here's the problems I find with using angeles trikes.

Scum bags for drivers, high chance of them being drunk or on yabba,10 x the cost of trikes anywhere else in the phills but most of all its much too small, its also very low to the ground so that one is at the height of the tail pipes and exhaust fumes of surrounding vehicles,

But the main concern has to be safety, being that low to the ground in an accident I could easily see a real risk of a passenger being decapitated.

yes its a bit more expensive to stay at a hotel that offers car service but money very well spent imho,Agreed. I stay at ABC which provides drop-off and pick-up service to its guests. You're also correct about the trikes, but given that I've never had a ride that lasted longer than 10 minutes, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort from time to time. Last week for example, because of a balloon festival, streets were clogged amd I didn't want to wait for a hotel car, so I coped with the discomfort of a trike ride to ABC amd didn't really care much if it cost me an extra Php20 or 30.

I'm not much attracted to the sleaziness and noise of the bars--though I get it that some are--so I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE.

[D Cups]

Me too, GE. Looking forward to meeting up again next month.


I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE..

[Pantot]

Agreed. I stay at ABC which provides drop-off and pick-up service to its guests. You're also correct about the trikes, but given that I've never had a ride that lasted longer than 10 minutes, I'm willing to put up with the discomfort from time to time. Last week for example, because of a balloon festival, streets were clogged amd I didn't want to wait for a hotel car, so I coped with the discomfort of a trike ride to ABC amd didn't really care much if it cost me an extra Php20 or 30.

I'm not much attracted to the sleaziness and noise of the bars--though I get it that some are--so I like to strike early, strike quickly, and then get back to the relative serenity of the hotel.

GE.Of course the private cars are virtually useless in traveling the monger areas of AC from ABC or Lewis Grand which are in the perimeter. I don't see how they factor in to the discussion at all for most daily or nightly travel. If you take a private hotel car from those hotels to Fields what hat I don't understand is how they help you with a barfine. Those hotels don't have fleets of private cars waiting to drop you off and pick you up. Where do they have a stand to hover outside of walking street to get you for a barfine? OK honey now the iron is hot and I'm ready to strike so lets call my hotel and wait for the car to navigate that road at walking speed and get us back to my exclusive hotel.

This forum is not just for mongers who stay at the the few AC hotels which offer a limited car service which makes you wait on both ends coming going etc. Some of us just want to get there when we want to at the whims of our desires we are savvy and don't have a great fear of the regular local people. We don't mind rubbing elbows with them in their world. We don't live there so we don't get tired of the bullshit over the course of a visit.

If you take a private car from LG or ABC, to SM Clark, I could in many cases beat you there simply walking just walk down the Perimeter, cut through the Jeep terminal, jump the wall to the extreme left of the terminal and walk to the Mall. Its a low grassy area so much less susceptible to muddy or dirty paths of that big desert where all the pinoys go.

Getting into a car for in city travel in AC monger areas is a monumental clusterfuck and I hope you love sitting in traffic. As soon as the traffic stalls get out and walk the rest of the way. Its not far.

[GoodEnough]

Of course the private cars are virtually useless in travelling the monger areas of AC from ABC or Lewis Grand which are in the perimiter. I don't see how they factor in to the discussion at all for most daily or nightly travel. If you take a private hotel car from those hotels to Fields what hat I don't understand is how they help you with a barfine. Those hotels don't have fleets of private cars waiting to drop you off and pick you up. Where do they have a stand to hover outside of walking street to get you for a barfine? Ok honey now the iron is hot and I'm ready to strike so lets call my hotel and wait for the car to navigate that road at walking speed and get us back to my exclusive hotel.

This forum is not just for mongers who stay at the the few AC hotels which offer a limited car service which makes you wait on both ends coming going etc. Some of us just want to get there when we want to at the whims of our desires we are savvy and don't have a great fear of the regular local people. We don't mind rubbing elbows with them in thier world. We don't live there so we don't get tired of the bullshit over the course of a visit.

If you take a private car from LG or ABC, to SM Clark, I could in many cases beat you there simply walking just walk down the Perimeter, cut through the Jeep terminal, jump the wall to the extreme left of the terminal and walk to the Mall. Its a low grassy area so much less susceptible to muddy or dirty paths of that big desert where all the pinoys go.

Getting into a car for in city travel in AC monger areas is a monumental clusterfuck and I hope you love sitting in traffic. As soon as the traffic stalls get out and walk the rest of the way. Its not far.Without overly belaboring the point, if cars are useless coping with e traffic, then why are Jeepneys, which stop to let off and take on passengers any more efficient? And as to pick-ups to get back to the hotel, I call about 5 minutes before I need a car, and once I walk outside it's usually there, or ready to meet me at the beginning of Walking Street. And yes, the hotel does have a fleet of cars.

I'm not trying to start a class war and I'm not going to respond to any additional posts on this inane subject. My point is writing originally was not to denigrate those who take Jeepneys, but to point out that for those who are apprehensive about getting robbed while riding them, there are alternatives.

In my younger days, I rode the motorcycle taxis and tuk tuks in Bangkok, rented bikes to get around town, and happily entered all manner of Bush vehicles all over Africa. I've also worked in various parts of this country where most foreigners will never go amd lived to tell the tale. Now that I'm (much) older, I'm more risk averse; hence my preference for private cars.

GE.

[Slippery]

Hahaha you started a class war by calling Fields "Walking Street. " Did Obama rename too that last time he was here?

[Mogwai]

Hahaha you started a class war by calling Fields "Walking Street. " Did Obama rename too that last time he was here?Uhm.... The part of Fields between the crossing with Mitchell Ave and McArthur IS called Walking Street.

Guys, can you please stop this endless debate now? Not all of us have the budget to stay at expensive hotels like the ABC or Lewis Grand with their 'free' private car services. And not all of us are willing to pay 100 PhP for each trike ride, even when we can afford it. It's amazing how much money you can save simply by paying attention or shopping around a little bit. The savings add up pretty quickly.
Yes, most of us spend a small fortune just to get to the Phils but that doesn't mean that everybody can (or wants) to spend even more money like water once they're here.

Personally I've never had any problems riding the jeepneys, except that they are quite uncomfortable. And I've taken them all over the Phils, including in Manila, AC and Cebu. I've never felt unsafe and I've never been pickpocketed, even though I'm carrying my wallet in my back pocket. Yes, that's right: in my back pocket. Because I 'feel' it better when I keep it there rather than in my front pocket which is often a bit loose.

Hmmm, maybe I'm only fuelling the debate now, LOL!

[NapaSlapper]

Mogwai, Walking street?

According to google earth and my local knowledge there is no such thing as walking street angeles or even perimeter road as some call it.

Don juico avenue runs from way past mirror bar up till Petron where it is then named 21st street, 21st street then joins on to fields avenue roughly at friendship jeep terminal and carries on as fields avenue right past atlantis, dollhouse etc till the end where it meets macarthur highway.

The fairly recent Angeles walking street sign was put there for tourists to try to emulate the success of walking street Pattaya, it was the bright idea of the then Angeles mayor and the then police chief lui tan (now deceased) who visited Pattaya some years back and were highly impressed by the walking street Pattaya sign, but the st name was never changed from fields avenue,

From memory the american airmen stationed at clark started calling Don juico avenue and 21st street perimeter road because the 2 roads were the perimeter to their base,

As far as stirring the pot, yes you have done that quite nicely with your wallet in back pocket remarks LOL.

[Golfinho]

.Here's the problems I find with using angeles trikes o,Unless you're coming back from a bar late and its raining or your date is wearing heels, what other possible scenario would have you getting into a trike?

[Pantot]

Mogwai, Walking street?

According to google earth and my local knowledge there is no such thing as walking street angeles A few years ago they erected barriers just past the Raymond Street entrance to Fields and another Barrier on fields roughly 1 or 2 blocks from MacArthur. There is a huge sign at the Raymond Street Barricade proclaiming "Walking Street" . During the day the supply vehicles for the bars are allowed to come in but at night yes it is literally a walking street. There are two main trike stands, one on fields near the raymond street barricade and one on the Santos street entrance to Fields.

You won't find it on Google earth if that's your source of reference. Trikes, cars scooters etc are not on there at night. The trikes do you turns and take you on routes away from that area. There isn't a trike stand at the near Macarthur entrance to Fields as few go that way.

Its a nice oasis as idle trikes litter the sidewalks of the rest of Fields and the Perimeter road and make walking a constant street- sidewalk-street affair. Walking is still the safest mode of transport in the tight small Balibago Fields bar area IMO.

If I were king of Angeles My first decree would be to outlaw all idle trikes from the South side of the Fields / perimeter / Don Juico corridor and force them to the north side along the perimeter fence. It has been pretty much cleaned up lately and has plenty of space.

Just clear up the f*cking sidewalks so we can walk on them.

[Mr Enternational]

Just clear up the f*cking sidewalks so we can walk on them.Or at least make the sidewalks leveled instead of at 30 degree angles.

[Sxxxx]

Or at least make the sidewalks leveled instead of at 30 degree angles.Walking Street. And don't forget lads, about 2/3 yrs ago, they ripped up the terrible sidewalk (and the road itself) and re-laid it with fancy bricks, design etc. It took maybe a year to do, and lasted only about 6 months, before it started crumbling, falling apart, sliding etc. Only in the Philippines.

That's part of the attraction of the Philippines. All fucked up. A refreshing change from our homelands where things are orderly and organised, sort of. Fucked infrastructure, fucked in the head girls etc. What more could we want?

More please, LOL.

[Hutsori]

More please, LOL.McDo have-a spaghetti. Delizioso. Like-a Italia. Mama Mia.

What I enjoy about the Philippines is it takes almost no effort to get the poosy, but it takes a lot of effort to walk the pavement. If one had never been here could you imagine such a place? In the west the weirdly inverted, opposite-to-expectations Bizarro World exists in comics. But here you get to live in actual Bizarro World. Brilliant!

[Kazeu]

Yes, the chaos and rawness of it all is refreshing in a peculiar way.


Walking Street. And don't forget lads, about 2/3 yrs ago, they ripped up the terrible sidewalk (and the road itself) and re-laid it with fancy bricks, design etc. It took maybe a year to do, and lasted only about 6 months, before it started crumbling, falling apart, sliding etc. Only in the Philippines.

That's part of the attraction of the Philippines. All fucked up. A refreshing change from our homelands where things are orderly and organised, sort of. Fucked infrastructure, fucked in the head girls etc. What more could we want?

More please, LOL.

[Sxxxx]

McDo have-a spaghetti. Delizioso. Like-a Italia. Mama Mia.

What I enjoy about the Philippines is it takes almost no effort to get the poosy, but it takes a lot of effort to walk the pavement. If one had never been here could you imagine such a place? In the west the weirdly inverted, opposite-to-expectations Bizarro World exists in comics. But here you get to live in actual Bizarro World. Brilliant!Yes, as you say, enjoy it, for what it is. What amuses me, guys arriving, then trying to change the girls to Western ways and mentality. Isn't that what we are escaping? Over the years I have observed guys from one country in particular, that are hell bent on changing the Filipinos to resemble morals, behavior, as in in their home country. Disaster, both guy and girl end up in confrontation all the time and unhappy. Hint: Country name starts with a G, LOL. There is an old saying "Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive, and don't miss with Mister in between. Get it? Got it? Good!

So, McDo have a Spaghetti Delizioso. And the Phils have Pussy Delizioso! Enjoy the positive, eliminate the negative, LOL.

[Chocha Monger]

Yes, as you say, enjoy it, for what it is. What amuses me, guys arriving, then trying to change the girls to Western ways and mentality. Isn't that what we are escaping? Over the years I have observed guys from one country in particular, that are hell bent on changing the Filipinos to resemble morals, behavior, as in in their home country. Disaster, both guy and girl end up in confrontation all the time and unhappy. Hint: Country name starts with a G, LOL. There is an old saying "Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive, and don't miss with Mister in between. Get it? Got it? Good!

So, McDo have a Spaghetti Delizioso. And the Phils have Pussy Delizioso! Enjoy the positive, eliminate the negative, LOL.Once morning while enjoying an excellent FRhstck at German Angel's Bakery and Coffee Shop on Don Juico, I witnessed one of those guys scolding a pinay about how she was raising their baby. He railed on and on about her failure to teach the baby to fall asleep early at night and not to touch things. As if on cue, the baby reached over and knocked the toothpick dispenser off the table spilling its contents all over the floor. Der father flew into a rage pointing out that this incident was exactly the kind of thing he was chiding the poor little mother about. He complained loudly that the toothpicks were no longer sanitary and he would have to pay for them.

My pinay companion whispered, "Wow! That poriner is really angry to that girl. Maybe he is bossy and angry when he fuck that girl also. " She giggled and I spewed my coffee into a napkin no longer able to contain my amusement at the ongoing comedy.

It is odd that so many guys flee the big fat masculine women in their homeland but once in the Philippines they start complaining about how vacuous dull and stupid the pinays are compared to the educated Western women they ran away from. They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. Perhaps they can learn a thing or two from Filipinos who are much less demanding with the girls. Filipinos only expect the girls to give them pussy and beer money. They find their own entertainment with the guys getting drunk and betting on roosters at cockfights.

[LucidDream]

So I just came over to this site from USG. I am planning a trip to Angeles city area later this year and it'll be my first time experiencing it. I would like to go with a game plan if at all possible. Would anyone be so kind as to pm me information. Like which places to go to find girls for FS. I will be staying at ABC hotel if that helps. I am excited about this but want to make sure I have a plan before just jumping into it out there LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

So I just came over to this site from USG. I am planning a trip to Angeles city area later this year and it'll be my first time experiencing it. I would like to go with a game plan if at all possible. Would anyone be so kind as to pm me information. Like which places to go to find girls for FS. I will be staying at ABC hotel if that helps. I am excited about this but want to make sure I have a plan before just jumping into it out there LOL.People are about to tell you to Read The Fucking Forum. There is no plan needed for AC. Walk out of your hotel. Walk into a bar. Find a girl you like. Pay bar fine. Go back to your hotel. Fuck. Then repeat the process as often as you like.

[Hutsori]

They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. A good book, a comfortable poolside recliner, and decent gym. 'Nuff said.

[WestCoast1]

Once morning while enjoying an excellent FRhstck at German Angel's Bakery and Coffee Shop on Don Juico, I witnessed one of those guys scolding a pinay about how she was raising their baby. He railed on and on about her failure to teach the baby to fall asleep early at night and not to touch things. As if on cue, the baby reached over and knocked the toothpick dispenser off the table spilling its contents all over the floor. Der father flew into a rage pointing out that this incident was exactly the kind of thing he was chiding the poor little mother about. He complained loudly that the toothpicks were no longer sanitary and he would have to pay for them.

My pinay companion whispered, "Wow! That poriner is really angry to that girl. Maybe he is bossy and angry when he fuck that girl also. " She giggled and I spewed my coffee into a napkin no longer able to contain my amusement at the ongoing comedy.

It is odd that so many guys flee the big fat masculine women in their homeland but once in the Philippines they start complaining about how vacuous dull and stupid the pinays are compared to the educated Western women they ran away from. They expect the pinays to entertain and stimulate their minds as well as their pricks. This comes from the Western expectation that men will end all their friendships and hobbies making their girlfriend or wife the center of their social life once in a relationship. Perhaps they can learn a thing or two from Filipinos who are much less demanding with the girls. Filipinos only expect the girls to give them pussy and beer money. They find their own entertainment with the guys getting drunk and betting on roosters at cockfights.That should be in the ROD.

I too see the mistaken cultural clashes (have been guilty of it myself; and I learn new cultural items, sometimes superstitions, on each visit). I think the term is ethnocentrism, and its inside all of us, to some degree. Child-rearing and a child's experiences are different in phils compared to the west. Education is obviously different. Foreigners pushing their own culture on poor pinay is really a form of ethnocentrism taken to a large degree. It would be easy to say that a foreigner's failure to understand that is simply a measure of his 'stupidity', but its more a measure of his inability to see the difference in culture. Further, its his inability to adjust to the local culture. Certainly the locals -- the girl in this case, or her child -- is not about to adjust to an outside culture (unless she departs Phils and moves to his country, where the adjustment would be expected).

Honestly gents, the concepts that are complained about here often (girl's inability to be on time, girls being 'vacuous' or 'stupid', etc) are only true through your own cultural lens. They are not true in any sense, they fit only your / our / western perception; certainly they don't fit pinoy perception. Are you following the Star Trek prime directive, or not?

Possibly this should be in the Gen Info thread. Later I will share a similar thing about another culture (Russian / ukranian).

[WrinkleFree]

Long post warning. First time to PI and only had 4 nights and decided to stay all in AC. I'm 38 and been only to Pattaya (3 times), Jakarta once, Macau (many times from 2005-2011), Shanghai (3 times). So I'm not very experienced, so take that into account.

I'm not a big "drinker" so the attractiveness of the girls at 9 pm will look the same to me at 1 am- no beer goggles;).

I came to AC having read / skimmed the AC thread for about 100 pages. I had a general idea of what to expect and I was neither wowed or disappointed by AC.

Night 1.

Arrived Sunday night and 2800 php car to AC took about 2 hrs 45 mins. Checked into Valentinos Hotel which for the price is not a bad place to stay.

10 pm: After eating I trolled "Walking street" stopping into a few bars / gogos. As with every night on my short trip the talent on the stage was not great. Most are 4-5's on my scale with only a couple of 6's. Rarely will you find a 7 and only once did I see an 8-9 "on stage". (Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder).

After 4 bars I found a girl at Doll House. She was a 7 in my book and was friendly but shy and only had been working in AC for 2 weeks. I knew what I was getting into, but I bar fined her (3 k php) and we had a bite at McD and back to our hotel for a decent session. She had a really cute body, fairly tall but smallish boobs, 22 yo. GFE experience, and she got very wet, but she certainly was not super energetic.

I probably would have bar fined her the next night if not for what happened during the night. So at McD she gets a coffee (at midnight). Now I know a few people who can have coffee anytime and can get to sleep. I'm not one of those people so when she kept asking if I wanted a sip I said no and told her I wouldn't be able to sleep if I drank coffee. Well after our session and shower she wants to gets to bed, but OF COURSE she is tossing and turning literally every 5-10 minutes until 5 am. At 4 am I was ready to throw her out and when at 5 am she asks to go I say absolutely. A 2nd morning 'shot' was not worth it. Sorry but I need my beauty sleep:).

Night 2 was a bust with all the bars having very mediocre talent. I decided to head back alone around midnight as I didn't feel like paying 3 K for a '6' and didn't want to go back to Doll House for a repeat.

Night 3 same ol' stroll on walking street. Most bars I would walk in and walk out as the girls on stage were not great. Around 11 pm in front of Kokomos restaurant, I chatted up a girl on her day off from Q bar who was free lancing. Short, skinny and a '6' at best. Small BS and an ok face. 1 k short time and back to hotel. Pretty basic session, not GFE and she was shy in bed but at least just didn't lay there. I will pay 1 k for that kind of session but not pay a bar fine of 3 k for the same "6" in attractiveness. Wouldn't repeat though.

Night 4.

Door girl outside Carnival was the first '8' I've seen at a gogo / bar in AC. Tall, great body, really pretty face. She ended up going inside and I went in and she was on the small stage that is closest to the door with only 3 dancers. The main stage had about 12 girls but none caught my eye. The small stage has two booth type seats on either side and all 3 girls were facing the other seats with 2 Koreas (so I was looking at their backs / butts). After getting a drink I asked the waitress who was sitting next to me that I would like to buy the pretty girl a drink. The waitress slapped the girl's ass and she turned to us and I smiled and she had no expression. Not a smile nor a frown and didn't even a shake her head to decline. I guess I should have thanked her for not wasting my time and money on a lady drink. I very quickly told the waitress to forget it and the girl just turned back around like nothing happened. So a definite rejection. The korean guys left and after my beer I left as well.

I walked to a bar near the New Orange bar and they had a couple that might be '7's' but not very interesting. I left and passed the Orange bar and found a stunner at the door. A 8-9 by my standards, slim but not skinny, nice sized boobs and very pretty face. She was trying to get me to go into the bar and as she escorted me in I saw the stage and she was by far the prettiest. I asked if I could buy her a drink and she accepted. Nice girl, 22 yo, has only worked as a door girl for about 1 year but only 1 week at the Orange bar, no kids. I asked if she would bar fine and she said ok but only short time. I'm a sucker for a pretty face so I agreed.

I had low expectations as she was very pretty and just a door girl but the session was very good. Her skills were very good and that body was fantastic. Mechanical and not GFE but I'the definitely repeat; however this was my final night.

Bonus before hotel check out!

The night before I had chatted with what appeared to be some culinary student / FL but she was busy that night and asked if I can do a quickie in the morning (9 am) before I checked out of the hotel. I told her I would let her know but that was a bit early. Well, I was up early and after some messages and a missed meeting at McD at 9 am we were able to get together at 11 am. She was a college student and had a physical education class from 10 to 10:50. She looked like her photos and I would say she was a '7'. She was 21 yo and had some meat on her but no kids and pretty tight. I had to check out by 12 pm so it was a quickie but she loved to kiss and was wet like no other. Really wished I had found her earlier in the week as I would have definitely repeated. Oh well. Damage 1. 5 k (she started at 2 K).

I ended up taking the bus back to manila then taxi to the airport which was very smooth on a Thursday at lunch time. Taxi guy was nice enough to stop at starbucks and McD as I was really hungry and tired.

Opinions from a first timer to PI:

The flight to PI for me is only 2. 5 hrs but I don't think I will be going back. Both AC and Pattaya are just not my style. Not enough talent in the 'looks' department. (my personal taste). I think both AC and Pattaya might be good for people in a group or at least with a wingman so you can drink and talk as you watch less than enthusiastic women stand on the stage. Also I'm not that into LT sessions. Having to make conversation with WGs is not appealing unfortunately. However at least in AC the english skills are much better than Pattaya.

I've been 'spoiled' by the high talent (and high price) from Macau for so many years that it can be hard to find a pretty face in Thailand or PI. Also I'm a lazy bum when it comes to "mongering" so the sauna / spa type places of Macau / Shanghai / Jakarta fit my personality more. If you are into and have patience for "the hunt" I think you can do well with finding some gems and FLs outside of Fields Ave either normal girls or on chatting apps.

Koreans, koreans, koreans! I probably should have put this at the beginning but there are very attractive girls in AC but they are all on the arms of Koreans. They are on Walking street in plain clothes or with them inside the bars. But usually never 'on stage'. I guess these guys bar fine very early in the day and drink, eat, party, ect the rest of the night with the girl. Personally I cannot fault the girls if they do prefer koreans since they don't have to dance and get free drinks and food for the rest of the night. To find a stunner "on stage" you might have to start around 7-8 pm. Obviously for "LT" with a stunner you may need to negotiate as I feel that they will not do 3 k for LT.

WeChat. I probably should have put more time in APP messaging but if you are staying a long time (1-3 weeks) I think you might can get some decent FL talent from it. One funny exchange with a 19-20 ish girl. She was a 9 in looks, spinner type. She asked what I would pay and I started at 1. 5 k. She replied "No". I asked her what is her price and she said 30 k. Whoa. I didn't take it further so perhaps her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?

[Mr Enternational]

I too see the mistaken cultural clashes (have been guilty of it myself; and I learn new cultural items, sometimes superstitions, on each visit). I think the term is ethnocentrism, and its inside all of us, to some degree. Child-rearing and a child's experiences are different in phils compared to the west. You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.

[WestCoast1]

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.Yes. Breastfeeding is another example. In various cultures, its done more publicly, or till later ages. I remember an actress being interviewed on TV, maybe 20+ years ago, saying she'd breastfed her son until he was 8. A decade ago I went to a buddy's home to pick him up for a basketball game. His wife sat on the couch and we chatted while he was changing clothes in the bedroom. They had at that time 5 kids (and another later). The youngest, age 3, jumped into his mother's lap and tugged at her shirt. She pulled out a boob and he went to town on that.

Once in my car I asked my bud if age 3 was too old for the boob? "Nah. We breastfed the oldest till he was 8. The next two till they were 7. The last two are still on the boob". He used the word "we". Then: "We gave up breastfeeding in public. People here can't handle that". He also shared that they kept each of their kids in their bed through age 2 (a number of my friends have shared similar), and at times there were multiple kids sleeping in the parent's bed. I think that means they were making the next baby while one (or more) was currently in the bed with them.

I think if you or I found a pinay breastfeeding a 4 or 5 year old, it would be very easy to say: "No kid of mine would be doing that! You won't see that in America / England / Oz!" But, its a different culture, and while its fine to think such, its not OK to say that to her.

[GoodEnough]

You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.I once worked here with a young man of about 30, well educated with an income that should have allowed him to become self-sufficient When I asked why he still lived with his mother, he looked at me somewhat incredulously and asked: "If I moved out, who would make my bed?" I've never forgotten that statement because it reinforces the perpetual infantalization of parent-child relationships here. I'm not making a judgment, it's just a fact of life here that fosters continuous interdependence. It's also the basis for the "utang na loob" socialization process that ties children and parents together by unseverable bonds. Family obligations are almost inescapable.

GE.

[Pantot]

You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.All this in the AC forum. Sigh. The most vibrant form in ISG.

Anyway you are dealing with people in a poverty level socio economic environment. Why is any of this surprising? Go visit the same level economically speaking in your own countries. Its not better worse or indifferent. Its the same. Likely in the Phils its better as families at least stick together.

Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise their kids as would us privileged fathers with impressive MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.

Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously. Maybe you have an MBA but if you would have taken some anthropology or sociology courses before travelling abroad or simply read Guns, Germs and Steel back in the day you would have realized we are all products of how we are raised not superior.

There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture. Try to find and enjoy them if you have that superior attitude rather than mock the sad ones.

[FreebieFan]

. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.

[LifeIsABeach]

Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.While in Kenya, Africa, I was going to school there, milk used to be delivered to the schools during the afternoon recess. No laughing matter.

[Mogwai]

She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.

[Mogwai]

WeChat. I probably should have put more time in APP messaging but if you are staying a long time (1-3 weeks) I think you might can get some decent FL talent from it. One funny exchange with a 19-20 ish girl. She was a 9 in looks, spinner type. She asked what I would pay and I started at 1. 5 k. She replied "No". I asked her what is her price and she said 30 k. Whoa. I didn't take it further so perhaps her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.

[Mogwai]

SNIP
Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.
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There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture.An overall STUNTED culture....
I think your post should as well be moved to the 'OMG we are so superior section'.

[NapaSlapper]

I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.With due respect, maybe few years back it might have been possible to get attractive / slim girls for all night at 1.5 - 2 k pisos, but not any more IMHO.,even chubby plain jane freelancers demand 1.5k pisos short time if one is lucky,

In nearly 20 years of visiting Angeles constantly I have never seen a true 9 in looks/body in an Angeles gogo or freelancing.

9's in my book are a few pinay pro models, certain famous pinay TV/ movie stars or the type of teenage girl one can sometimes see in famous teen girl bands.

If a true 9 were available in angeles then she would have a que of guys in a bidding war for her services and yes the sky would be the limit amongst our asian friends,

My recent angeles barhop couple of days ago i would have to agree with wrinklefree in his trip report of most gogo girls were 4-5 in looks and body,yet they still thought they were worth 3k-4k pisos short time when asked

[Mr Enternational]

Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.Yes sir. I was talking about the baby bottle with the nipple on it, not the bottle that you pour into a cup.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise thier kids as would us priveleged fathers with impressives MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.
Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously.And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.

[NapaSlapper]

And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.Well done Mr E, for bettering yourself and for taking the time to help those less fortunate than ourselves, a lesson I should learn to do more often.

[BrainDrain]

Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.

[D Cups]

This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.I like it straight from the tap of some young MILF's boobie.

[Mogwai]

With due respect, maybe few years back it might have been possible to get attractive / slim girls for all night at 1.5 - 2 k pisos, but not any more IMHO.,even chubby plain jane freelancers demand 1.5k pisos short time if one is lucky,I agree that it's not as easy anymore as it used to be but it's certainly still possible to find attractive / slim freelancers for a ST for 1 K or a LT for 1. 5 - 2 K.
Last time I was in Angeles was 4 months ago and although it took some effort I had no problems finding them, either on the streets or with the help of chat apps.

[Tasss]

... Nice report Wrinkle. Pretty much in-line with my experience. Interesting note about Jakarta. I wasn't aware of a sauna / spa scene there.

[Member #4566]

her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?


I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.The US has a significantly higher per capita income than South Korea. According to one source the figures are $54 K for US versus $35 K for ROK and $2. 3 K for the PI. Further, the US figure is skewed downward because of factors like the US's urban poor, its rural trash, and the notoriously poor states of Mississippi and Arkansas. Thus it is highly likely that you are more affluent than your Korean counterpart in AC. The Korean government gives generous subsidies to their citizens to invest in overseas businesses. That is probably the main reason why you see so many Korean businesses in AC. On the other hand the US gov't generally discourages foreign investment.

[ImAGuy]

WrinkleFree's experience with the 9 asking for 30 k. I have had similar. It's amazing how demanding the (hot) girls here are. The guys must be throwing some serious money around. And it would be foolish to write off the Koreans. I lived in China for 5 years in a city with a quite large Korea town (Shenyang) and from my experience, they are nearly as crafty as the Chinese in terms of finances. Plus it could be like China where a lot of gray money is exchanging hands. The average monthly salary in China is $750 or something yet many young people in the cities have the latest phones, designer bags and sometimes cars while "rich" Americans who work there are taking subways, using flip phones and still have less in the bank. It just doesn't add up.

I went to China just before the good times ended, 2009. Back when you girls would just throw themselves at you. Sadly, it seems like the same thing that happened there has happened here. I've heard that it's even worse in Thailand now, too. And several other mongering destinations.

[Soapy Smith]

The US has a significantly higher per capita income than South Korea. According to one source the figures are $54 K for US versus $35 K for ROK and $2. 3 K for the PI. Further, the US figure is skewed downward because of factors like the US's urban poor, its rural trash, and the notoriously poor states of Mississippi and Arkansas. Actually, per capita income, which is a "mean" (numeric average) rather than a "median," is skewed upward by the "one percent" of the American population that earn astronomically huge incomes. In other words, when a society's income is more equitably distributed, there may be more individuals within a society who can afford to partake of Philippine sex tourism. When incomes are not equitably distributed, there will be a smaller proportion of the male population who can afford Philippine sex tourism, but there may be a wealthy handful who have exorbitant amounts of money to throw around once they arrive. Income distribution in the United States is quite inequitably distributed as compared to other industrialized countries. I am making a point here about the math rather than an ideological point.

[Member #4566]

Actually, per capita income, which is a "mean" (numeric average) rather than a "median," is skewed.Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference. I lived in Korea for four years. My observations, corroborated by these figures, are that the average (or median if you prefer) USAer is significantly better off than his counterpart in Korea. There is a mythology that the Koreans as well as the Japanese are more affluent than the Users and it is just that: mythology.

[Soapy Smith]

Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference. I lived in Korea for four years. My observations, corroborated by these figures, are that the average (or median if you prefer) USAer is significantly better off than his counterpart in Korea. There is a mythology that the Koreans as well as the Japanese are more affluent than the Users and it is just that: mythology.I agree with your conclusion. Thanks for presenting the median numbers. IMHO these are much more meaningful figures. Another consideration in comparing Korean mongers spending power relative to us Yanks is that airfare from Korea is much less than from anywhere in the states.

[Mogwai]

Your point is well taken. However, a website I researched had the median per capita income of the US as $15.5 k and RoK as $11.3 k and the PI as $478. The median US person has 27% more income than median Korean. That is a significant difference.I think that should be 37% (instead of 27).

But anyway it doesn't mean anything because you have to take the price levels of the US and RoK into consideration as well. Maybe a Korean can buy the same or even more with his income than an American because the price levels in Korea are lower.

[Kazeu]

I agree as well. I think it just takes more work. Last time I was in Angeles I picked up a girl from High Society. Cute 18 year old girl. Paid for drinks for her and all her friends. In the morning she didn't ask to be "paid", but when she was leaving she said "No tip? I gave her 1 k as I already spent quite a bit the night before on her and her 4 friends. Next day she texted me and wanted to meet up with me again. Unfortunately I already had plans. This was I guess technically LT because she stayed over night, but it was only 4 or 5 hrs since we got back from High Society at 3 am and she wanted to leave at 7:30 am. Shagged twice during that time. Just a little proof that you can still pick up decent girls for a decent price.


I agree that it's not as easy anymore as it used to be but it's certainly still possible to find attractive / slim freelancers for a ST for 1 K or a LT for 1. 5 - 2 K.
Last time I was in Angeles was 4 months ago and although it took some effort I had no problems finding them, either on the streets or with the help of chat apps.