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Yeah I,Ronald from Holland, am an Angelis Addict.
I just want to go at the late afternoon (after some afternoon bar hopping hihi) to Tarlac and another day to Subic bay (Via Olongapo).
QUESTION. I like to come back after the barhopping from Tarlac or Olongapo to DAU at night like 2 or 3 am!
Do you know if that's possible?
I just hate to travel in the heath and stay relax in Angeles.
The only thing I hate in Philippines is my lack of interest.
Pinoy say always "good morning" when I go to bet at 23 am, cause am=at morning for them.
So I just take morning rests.
Use from 3 am till 1 pm and then make my breakfast (biscuit with coffee) in my A/C room.
All to avoid the bloody hot sun!
Had an off duty 21 yo bg text me today for a meet up. Told her to come to the hotel at 4:00 pm. She said ok and BTW her 19 yo friend from Samar was in town today to visit her and could she bring her along too? Heck yes, bring her.
Finished a round with both and took them to Jollibee for dinner. Back to the room and another round with both. The 19 yo was inexperienced but was a quick learner. 2 k to each. Now waiting for in room legit 2 hour massage at 10:30 pm. Life is good.
BTW the 19 yo will be back in the morning for more!
Vic,
What bullshit do you see brewing in High Society? I have been going there since it opened and before that I was going to Sky Traxx when it was the place to be. I have never seen one hint of trouble or of bouncers eyeing people. You really think a disco is scary? LOL.
And another thing you must realize is that not everyone is there to pick up men. There are some regular people among all the hookers. These would be the women you see with the gay guys who have their own tables with seats and bottles. The hookers are the ones that are standing. So if you are breaking into a group as you have seen, you would not proposition them, but approach them the same as a regular chick you were trying to meet. Back in the Sky Traxx days I even met a Pinay who lives in South Carolina, USA and one who lives in Czech Rep that I still keep in contact with on FB. Not hookers. Just regular chicks who were back home to visit their families and went out to party with their cousins and friends..I have a distaste for the Hi so staff. I went 6 times this year. A few times I approached no women. The Phils is in disarray. Most guys just see through the bullshit and focus on the hunt of the girls. Girls can smell nice guys like me a mile a way and get off being rude to me. I met some real good friends this year. My last 2 trips in Apr. Was to hang out with my buddy. Best to go after 1 am because the price goes down. Hi so chicks have bad attitudes because the simps let them get away with it. You have to block out the BS there and trust me the counterfeit clothes loving crowd loves the BS there. Most guys there are to party and avoid the barfine. Picking up chicks at the mall is more relaxing than Hi so even though I wasn't mall pimping.
I can recommend scorebirds hotel. It is a cheaper option to Wild Orchid or ABC. It has a nice pool, and has a pool party each Saturday. The pool party at Scorebirds is definitely worth attending: lots of friendly girls, relaxed atmosphere, and good food. The entrance fee is p500 which is consumable regarding the drinks and the excellent buffet.
The pool party at Scorebirds is definitely worth attending: lots of friendly girls, relaxed atmosphere, and good food. The entrance fee is p500 which is consumable regarding the drinks and the excellent buffet.Yes it is fun, but nothing compares to ABC's pool party. The good thing about Scorebird's is that it happens every Saturday. ABC use to have it every May, but not this year. I walked in ABC and asked about it, and they said with their new tower going up they decided not to have it.
I like the pool party's as you get to view the girls in good light, and if you buy them a drink, you get to talk to them to feel out if they will be willing participants in some adult fun. Some girls you can tell right away are not into it. I saw a smoking hot girl at Scorebird's party and tried to buy her a lady's drink to talk to her, but another guy also wanted to, so the MC auctioned off the girl (do I hear 3 lady's drinks? And I didn't win. So we went to Crystal Palace where she worked, and talked to her there (after the pool party). And she was on the mens she says. I am thinking 'not likely' as she was in a bikini earlier. I think they use that excuse as they don't want to sleep with customers. She was hot enough to live off of lady's drinks I guess.
AC can be fun, but can be a real drag too. I had a few star fishes' in my days and have learned the hard way to sniff out the winners. Once a girl balks at talking about sex, then move on. And if you have a bad night and need to go home alone, then go the BJ bars for a sure thing.
As a side note, where have all the massage girls gone? Years ago, there were dozens of them standing at the entrance to walking street. Not anymore. Did the crackdowns take them away? Now there are a few sketchy young girls standing near Penthouse hotel early at night giving out cards. I went with one and she gave an ok massage, but then I had to ask for extras and she said HJ only and wanted 1000 for it. Yeah right. Buncha shit.
Threadbare
06-18-16, 23:17
All,
I have a serious question. I cannot access ISG when I was in the PH. I know there's something like proxy but I don't know how. Can someone help me? Best to PM me. I have the same problem in Indonesia, Vietnam (I think), and China (I am sure). There is a way but I don't know how. I live in USA and I think it's better for me to set it up while I am home. Leaving for AC in two weeks. Thanks in advance.
FM.I should think it's unlikely to be a blocking problem in AC, I've never had that, but the WiFi is slow and often non. Existent. When I have had blocking problems I have used the Opera Mini browser (free download). Somehow it escapes the block in for example middle eastern countries. You may struggle in China though whatever you try, I never tried it there.
Thanks Threadbare. Appreciate the tip. I will check it out.
I am still looking for a SAFE and reliable solution for China. I have to check my FB regularly.
I should think it's unlikely to be a blocking problem in AC, I've never had that, but the WiFi is slow and often non. Existent. When I have had blocking problems I have used the Opera Mini browser (free download). Somehow it escapes the block in for example middle eastern countries. You may struggle in China though whatever you try, I never tried it there.
God willing, I will be at the party on this Saturday, June 25. I guess when I get to AC, I can find out when the party starts but what's a good time to show up to get a good seat, etc?
The party starts at 11 am, but auditions start at 9 am. By all means, get yourself seated by 7 am. During the auditions there are a lot of women hanging around waiting for their turn. Unfortunately they don't start serving alcohol until 8 am. I usually bring a small bottle of rum and secretly add it to my cola or coffee. Have fun! X Man.
God willing, I will be at the party on this Saturday, June 25. I guess when I get to AC, I can find out when the party starts but what's a good time to show up to get a good seat, etc?
The sidewalk and curbs at the corner where the change shops are at Narcisco have finally been leveled and redone. As with normal quality of construction some of the red paver bricks have broke and are missing.
The other night I had a girl from the province visit me and she wanted to see the insides of a bar. We strolled into Lollipop and strolled out. We had caught it while the lineup was changing so I catch a glimpse of all the girls. Must say there was quite a few slim 8's. Didn't noticed any chubs.
Any suggestions or contacts that know how / where to get weed?
Living in a country where it's not legal is good in a way. Gets me thinking right, working hard, etc.
Not sure I'd even do it if I visited.
But it's always a good thing to know.
Any suggestions or contacts that know how / where to get weed?
Living in a country where it's not legal is good in a way. Gets me thinking right, working hard, etc.
Not sure I'd even do it if I visited.
But it's always a good thing to know.I imagine the vitamin V salesmen will know or could provide you. Be sure to as for the DU30 brand.
Any suggestions or contacts that know how / where to get weed?Weed is illegal, hence the Angeles cops will probably be looking to scam bribes from the tourist. I've read 2 stories (I believe from Harry The Horse site) where the tourist was scammed because he just looked / smelled the weed.
I was told by an ex-pat that the best way to score is to find an ex-pat with a connect, and that connect should be safe.
Below are 2 sites dealing with weed in the Philippines.
http://www.marijuanatravels.com/countries/phl
http://webehigh.org/manila-quezon-phillipines/
Read it with a grain of salt; read between the lines.
I saw young locals smoking out in the open at Subic Bay (at Baloy Beach). But they are locals. Actually, people like those are probably the best to score from.
I would just wait until you get to Cambodia or Saigon, where it is quasi-legal.
I imagine the vitamin V salesmen will know or could provide you.I would be very careful using the street salesmen.
From my paranoid mind, I would be leery of using them. I would be paranoid that they would get their police friend to scam me (for a bribe).
IMO, most of them wouldn't do that, but a few might.
If you do it, fully turn on your warning Radar, and be prepared and be smart!
Any suggestions or contacts that know how / where to get weed?
Living in a country where it's not legal is good in a way. Gets me thinking right, working hard, etc.
Not sure I'd even do it if I visited.
But it's always a good thing to know.I thought any reference to any form of drugs was banned from the ISG site, and here are some guys asking about where and how to get one form of it.
Not a good look for ISG.
I thought any reference to any form of drugs was banned from the ISG site, and here are some guys asking about where and how to get one form of it.
Not a good look for ISG.They guy obviously hasn't either ever been here, or hasn't paid attention to current news here. He has a little bit to learn, and he'd better learn it fast before he lands in prison for a few grams of weed.
... learn it fast before he lands in prison.....Or worse, with the new regime.
GoodEnough
06-22-16, 04:13
I thought any reference to any form of drugs was banned from the ISG site, and here are some guys asking about where and how to get one form of it.
Not a good look for ISG.If such discussions aren't banned, they should be. Grass is illegal here and the penalties for its use are severe. This is not an appropriate subject for a public forum.
GE.
LordBastian
06-22-16, 08:16
If such discussions aren't banned, they should be. Grass is illegal here and the penalties for its use are severe. This is not an appropriate subject for a public forum.
GE.I agree completely! Besides, pussy is the only drug I need and I can't seem to get enough.
WestCoast1
06-22-16, 23:43
I agree completely! Besides, pussy is the only drug I need and I can't seem to get enough.We share the same addiction.
We share the same addiction.My name is DG8787. I am an addict. I need stickywicky Filipina pukie.
Thanks for the tip. But I am on the ground already and dropped into Scorebirds last night. X Man, please note that the time has changed. Still, I will heed your advice and get seated at 7 am with my small bottle of rum to go with my coffee. If you are in town, join me. I will buy all the coffee for us and will have enough rum to share.
The party starts at 11 am, but auditions start at 9 am. By all means, get yourself seated by 7 am. During the auditions there are a lot of women hanging around waiting for their turn. Unfortunately they don't start serving alcohol until 8 am. I usually bring a small bottle of rum and secretly add it to my cola or coffee. Have fun! X Man.
I have an August touchdown. Hope you are having fun. X.
Thanks for the tip. But I am on the ground already and dropped into Scorebirds last night. X Man, please note that the time has changed. Still, I will heed your advice and get seated at 7 am with my small bottle of rum to go with my coffee. If you are in town, join me. I will buy all the coffee for us and will have enough rum to share.
Screaming Beaver
06-27-16, 14:51
If such discussions aren't banned, they should be. Grass is illegal here and the penalties for its use are severe. This is not an appropriate subject for a public forum.
GE.What GE says is factually correct however we need to remember we are in The Philippines and therefore just about anything you want can be had for a price and if you keep your head down you can enjoy marijuana here without freaking out about being busted. Most ex-pats buy from ex-pats for obvious reasons. For me, I've not smoked a joint since I left California. It's not because I might be worried about being arrested. It's because there are so many fun things to do here I don't want weed to slow me down. I smoked it a lot in California to dull the pain of boredom and possibly depression. I have neither of those ailments living in AC. There's more beaver here than you can shake a stick at and they all want to fuck you, other fun stuff like poker and golf to keep you occupied. Lots of gyms to keep you in shape. I ain't got no time for weed man. It would just make me take a nap and miss that fabulous BJ I was going to get before I got sleepy. Ya get it? Weed has no place in this town because it's just too damn fun without it.
At the T intersection of Narcisco and Don Juico there is a new first world red signal light operating. Even more surprising is every driver is obeying the lights and staying out of the intersection and crosswalks. There is order in the chaos!
Has anyone ever caught anything riding bareback in AC or the phils? I was there last month and rode bareback with one massage girl and one 19 year old from Atlantis. And I didn't catch anything (I think). I came back home, and after a month, I got urethritis (infection of the uretha). The doctor said it was due to either ghonorea or chlamydia. I did have bareback sex with one girl at home a few days before my pecker started itching. I don't know how long the incubation period is for the disease, but I wonder who gave it to me.
It is no big deal as it is nothing more than a shot in the ass and 4 pills and within 3 days, it is gone.
With all the bareback sex mentioned on this site, I wonder if anyone ever caught anything. I really need to be scared into wearing condoms EVERY time. I know it is wise, but boy it is tempting to stick it in her bareback.
BTW, I have a friend who goes to the phils for a month at a time, and has sex with 10 girls in that period, and rides bareback with most all of them, plus bareback anal with some, and licks pussy with them all, and sometimes licks ass. These are not all working girls, but some are. And he has never caught ANYTHING. But the doctor said many men and women are carriers of disease and don't know it as it doesn't always manifest. Scary shit.
BrainDrain
07-03-16, 10:08
With all the bareback sex mentioned on this site, I wonder if anyone ever caught anything. I really need to be scared into wearing condoms EVERY time. I know it is wise, but boy it is tempting to stick it in her bareback.
Two visits which included one night barebacking different girls among lots of protected sex. Two diagnosed bouts of chlamydia and one exposure to Hep be (documented by the girl's diagnosis). (I'm immunised from Hep B).
Would I do it again, sadly yes, the excitement and satisfaction is so so good.
So, I would suggest that your friend may not have been diagnosed he may have killed off the infections through taking the drugs for other reasons ie a chest infection etc.
Hep be incidence is like 10% of the population.
Next time you think about dipping your unprotected dick into a GRO, just think of all of us doing the same thing with her for each night of the week before. .
Last trip I just took 2 x Azithromycin as I paid my departure tax to leave the country.
BD.
I've seen a lot of crazy stories in the Australian media lately about the new Phillipines President, and his approach to cracking down on crime. So I'm wondering, has there been any noticeable change in Angeles? Is it still a safe place to visit?
I've seen a lot of crazy stories in the Australian media lately about the new Phillipines President, and his approach to cracking down on crime. So I'm wondering, has there been any noticeable change in Angeles? Is it still a safe place to visit?Still safe. Just use caution where it is wet and slippery.
I've seen a lot of crazy stories in the Australian media lately about the new Phillipines President, and his approach to cracking down on crime. So I'm wondering, has there been any noticeable change in Angeles? Is it still a safe place to visit?The Philippines are never safe. The traffic is horrible. The greatest risk is always a traffic accident. It strikes many foreigners to death every year.
LawsonCraig28
07-04-16, 09:58
The Philippines are never safe. The traffic is horrible. The greatest risk is always a traffic accident. It strikes many foreigners to death every year.AC is still AC, no problems, everybody is still having fun and the Bars are still in business, Like Candy Bar, Ice Bar, Fire pit, Monsoon just to name a few, great budget local Hotels, like Hotel Saleh, by Mini stop, Janus Luxury Suites, indoor pool and kitchens, Sunmoon Apartel court yard side pool, Sunmoon Hotel all hotels are 5 minutes walking distance or less great prices friendly staff, Great restaurants Nikki's café, Swiss Chalet, Opa, and many more, SM Mall cinemas and all other conveniences. And of course the girls!
Has anyone ever caught anything riding bareback in AC or the phils? I really need to be scared into wearing condoms EVERY time. I know it is wise, but boy it is tempting to stick it in her bareback.
I would google "neem cream".
If you have to bareback, at least use that.
Condoms is of course more effective.
Fastpiston
07-04-16, 10:28
The Philippines are never safe. The traffic is horrible. The greatest risk is always a traffic accident. It strikes many foreigners to death every year.The new president has just taken office, so give him time. I have noticed that most in uniform are being very careful. At Manila airport discipline has been beefed up and new cameras installed. I suspect that law and order will quickly improve. Again, use common sense. Do not show wealth, do not go to dangerous areas, keep off streets in dark areas, do not respond to "friendly" strangers in the street. As for safety from disease, I too know a great number of bareback guys in AC and they all declare nothing. It is common sense they are hiding the facts. Some of the AC girls are doing more than one round a day with different guys, and same with some guys. Work out the maths!! Use a condom and presume these girls are carriers. At a minimum, if a pussy smells bad, has a discharge or girl coughing badly, walk away. Remember, some diseases are doing the rounds that are now no longer cured with a simple popping of a few pills and maybe a shot. Also note that TB often shows no symptoms and hard to detect even with X-rays.
Blanquiceleste
07-04-16, 15:49
BTW, I have a friend who goes to the phils for a month at a time, and has sex with 10 girls in that period, Awful hit rate.
Next time you think about dipping your unprotected dick into a GRO, just think of all of us doing the same thing with her for each night of the week before. .
Last trip I just took 2 x Azithromycin as I paid my departure tax to leave the country.
BD.The Phils is the barebacking captial of the world in 2016 in AC its well accepted and in the provinces a condom offends the non bar girls so I have to protect the latter from from the former. I used to always reserve the AC bargirls portion of my visit to the end so as not to expose the 'regular' province girls. Lately I have been lazy. I have never been accused of infecting any girls over there but of course the more promiscuous one how can they know?
That Azithromycim 3 pill course 500 MG each has been a godsend for me over the years. Its knocked out the big 3 of VD out of my body.
If you bareback I suggest always buy a pack of the drug before you go home. Take it if you experience any symptoms. Its less than 500 pesos for 3 tabs so a its small wonder drug to have in your possession regardless.
Here in the US a simple doctors visit can cost 10 to 20 times that before you meet your deductable.
I have a pack of it in my backpack now.
BTW for those who question it, we bareback because we are unreconstucted human males who are willing to live with the consequences. The shabu users are pretty easy to spot.
The Phils is the barebacking captial of the world in 2016 in AC its well accepted and in the provinces a condom offends the non bar girls so I have to protect the latter from from the former. I used to always reserve the AC bargirls portion of my visit to the end so as not to expose the 'regular' province girls. Lately I have been lazy. I have never been accused of infecting any girls over there but of course the more promiscuous one how can they know? Without wishing to turn this into another safe sex thread (as happens on ISG periodically), I don't think you can assume that "province girls" are quarantined from diseases.
I should remind you that the Philippines has a very large population of seamen who can be assumed to have visited ports all over the world and are likely to return to their home provinces now and again and drop their seamen's semen here and there. JMHO because I know of at least one case in a northern province where a seafarer's wife has been seriously infected by her spouse.
The Phils is the barebacking captial of the world in 2016 in AC its well accepted and in the provinces a condom offends the non bar girls so I have to protect the latter from from the former. I used to always reserve the AC bargirls portion of my visit to the end so as not to expose the 'regular' province girls. Lately I have been lazy. I have never been accused of infecting any girls over there but of course the more promiscuous one how can they know?
That Azithromycim 3 pill course 500 MG each has been a godsend for me over the years. Its knocked out the big 3 of VD out of my body.
If you bareback I suggest always buy a pack of the drug before you go home. Take it if you experience any symptoms. Its less than 500 pesos for 3 tabs so a its small wonder drug to have in your possession regardless.
Here in the US a simple doctors visit can cost 10 to 20 times that before you meet your deductable.
I have a pack of it in my backpack now.
BTW for those who question it, we bareback because we are unreconstucted human males who are willing to live with the consequences. The shabu users are pretty easy to spot.Better to stock up now. Most all drug stores require a prescription for it now. The only place recently I could buy it without a script was at Manson drugs.
Get 6 tabs of 500 MG. 2 tabs the first day and then one each for the next 4 days. I am not sure if 3 tabs will do the job. Just my opinion.
Without wishing to turn this into another safe sex thread (as happens on ISG periodically), I don't think you can assume that "province girls" are quarantined from diseases.
I should remind you that the Philippines has a very large population of seamen who can be assumed to have visited ports all over the world and are likely to return to their home provinces now and again and drop their seamen's semen here and there. JMHO because I know of at least one case in a northern province where a seafarer's wife has been seriously infected by her spouse.Its a matter of percentages and risk reward. I am not advocating anyone to follow my experiences or practices as deemed safe. In the provinces I deal with girls I meet not in any bar or mass dating site and their friends, sisters cousins girls they know etc. When in the province I am mainly referring to Samar, Leyte, Biliran and Davao lately. The pool of VD is smaller than AC Bars and streets and friends of friends who haven't always been so kind to me VD wise. Its a small percentage over the many years but all the critters were picked up in AC while none in the provinces even though the exposure rate was equal. I am leaving out Manila Metro which is probably like AC or worse VD wise. I only monger there when I'm stuck trying to catch a plane.
With regard to Azithromycin my last purchases were in AC over this past April and Christmas and on a 4 am taxi ride at a random from AC to NAIA going home in some random drug store in MM last September. Maybe I will stock up this August thanks DG8787.
Last year the public health personnel here seriously doubted it would knock out that ancient malady which afflicted Al Capone but it did. They wanted to shoot me with that mule kick in the ass treatment but I declined, I experienced that once and it was very unpleasent.
I am not advocating unsafe sex practices just telling how to deal with some of the consequences if some other risky mongers do. The only way to be sure is to not mix your bodily fluids and tissues but I have a pathological addiction to it I suppose. Don't be like me it would be devastating if you have a partner back home.
Member #4530
07-06-16, 02:38
Better to stock up now. Most all drug stores require a prescription for it now. The only place recently I could buy it without a script was at Manson drugs.
Get 6 tabs of 500 MG. 2 tabs the first day and then one each for the next 4 days. I am not sure if 3 tabs will do the job. Just my opinion.If I sense anything ain't right down-south, I do a minimum 2 gram one-shot dose of Azithromycin together along with 600 MG of Cefixime followed by a 7-day course of 100 MG Doxycycline twice / day. This will kill any Syphilis, Gonorrhea or Chlamydia you may get. Got to say that in AC, I rarely to never pick up anything. Of my travels to Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Philippines, Indonesia is the place I have to be most careful. Only once, to my knowledge, I picked up Chlamydia in the Philippines.
If I sense anything ain't right down-south, I do a minimum 2 gram one-shot dose of Azithromycin together along with 600 MG of Cefixime followed by a 7-day course of 100 MG Doxycycline twice / day. This will kill any Syphilis, Gonorrhea or Chlamydia you may get. Got to say that in AC, I rarely to never pick up anything. Of my travels to Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Philippines, Indonesia is the place I have to be most careful. Only once, to my knowledge, I picked up Chlamydia in the Philippines.This sort of inane self-medicating is why we now have super-bugs flourishing around the planet.
Taking this cocktail of drugs without knowing what is actually wrong with you and then boasting about it is crazy on so many levels.
I assume the same guys have been popping fake dick pills too in excessive quantities without knowing anything about the full range of impurities they have ingested.
When I read about guys dropping dead in AC and other places I often wonder if the generic "heart attack" wasn't attributable to these sort of treatment regimes. I guess we'll never know.
NapaSlapper
07-06-16, 09:51
This sort of inane self-medicating is why we now have super-bugs flourishing around the planet.
Taking this cocktail of drugs without knowing what is actually wrong with you and then boasting about it is crazy on so many levels.
I assume the same guys have been popping fake dick pills too in excessive quantities without knowing anything about the full range of impurities they have ingested.
When I read about guys dropping dead in AC and other places I often wonder if the generic "heart attack" wasn't attributable to these sort of treatment regimes. I guess we'll never know.Have to agree with you fully Red Kilt.
Have many friends that claim hundreds of bareback fucking with Angeles prostitutes only to proudly proclaim that they have never caught anything, when asked if they have ever been tested for std, s hep or aids they all reply no, the mind boggles as to how they know anything.
I am not here to preach to the unpreachable, the majority of Angeles visitors visit only for the reason of available unprotected sex and refuse to cover up.
My moto, play with fire enough and you will eventually get burnt, but hey, each to their own.
Here's a link to antibiotic resistent std, s for the home doctors among us, http://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/.
Just back from a 6 week Phills trip, Angeles observations in the next few days.
Blanquiceleste
07-06-16, 17:41
Just back from a 6 week Phills trip, Angeles observations in the next few days.I hope we will get to see some pictures as proof of your exploits?
If I sense anything ain't right down-south, I do a minimum 2 gram one-shot dose of Azithromycin together along with 600 MG of Cefixime followed by a 7-day course of 100 MG Doxycycline twice / day. This will kill any Syphilis, Gonorrhea or Chlamydia you may get. Got to say that in AC, I rarely to never pick up anything. Of my travels to Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Philippines, Indonesia is the place I have to be most careful. Only once, to my knowledge, I picked up Chlamydia in the Philippines.In my experience gonorrhea was asymptomatic. It was treated by a Rocephin injection, which was the most painful shot I've ever received. I have no fear of needles and a high tolerance for pain, so I was able to hobble along. The girl who was injected a few days later wailed like a banshee for a few hours and was physically shattered. I had to carry her, which was a bit disconcerting because some bystanders looked at me as if I'd been beating her.
NapaSlapper
07-07-16, 03:06
Rain, rain and more rain.
Although my Phills trip was for just under 6 weeks in total I spent only 5 days of it in Angeles city and barhopped only on one afternoon (perimeter) and one evening (fields).
First things first, where have all the westerners gone, very few to be seen in the hotels, bars, mall, would estimate that at least 8 out of 10 guys seen around town were Asian, mainly Korean and Japanese.
The hotel I was staying at has roughly 100 rooms, it seemed that only a very few were actually occupied, the pool was mostly empty and staff were saying they had never seen it so quiet.
Perimeter barhop,
Tried half a dozen of the main popular bars on perimeter, most walked in and walked straight back out, very few bored looking chubby girls doing the ac shuffle, not worth even 1 beer.
Settled on few beers in after school, a Korean owned bar but very friendly staff and management,5 or 6 Korean customers, my small group were the only westerner in there, maybe 15 girls in total, 2 just ok looks and body but not stunners, called one down for a drink, she is 22, from Samar and a great smile, friendly and talkative, only one problem, she is on men and cannot barfine, maybe you come back next week sir she said with a smile, maybe next week you still have men and every week after that was my reply at which she smiled guiltily, my friend had called down the other cutie but she would only agree to short time and refused to give a blow job so he had declined.
Hit a few more perimeter bars, mixture of fatties, fuglies, men girls, cherry girls, bored looking girls and little else.
Walking street night barhop.
I have barhopped on walking street many times over many years and know from experience that there are only a handful of bars where there is a chance of slim young good looking girls and all these bars are owned by the same group (dhg).
Atlantis bar,10-12 Korean customers apart from our group, again we were the only westerners here, quite a few girls in various groups some doing the shows, some parading in moving lines and some standing around the balcony areas.
I am well known in Atlantis by the owners / staff / girls and always made to feel welcome, first round was on management but as a group we stayed for many drinks, bought many girlie drinks and had a good time, of the top looking girls many were claiming to be cherry (virgins) a few drinks only girls and a few chubby plain girls willing to barfine (st only).
Club Asia,
Again only Korean clients, mixture of chubby average looking girls,1 girl that was very cute, tried to get her attention but she would not look my way, asked the waitress about her, sir I call her for you, and so she did but the girl refused to come sit with us, no loss, if she think her shit don't stink then imagine what a crap lay she would be back at the room that's if the princess would accept barfine at all.
All in all.
Very few girls that are slim and attractive to be found anywhere in angeles of these most are excuse girls not to barfine, men, cherry, Korean only, not feeling well etc.
Many guys rave about Angeles city and the thousands of stunning girls to be found there, in truth I just do not see this at all, angeles compared to just a few year ago is a shadow of its former self, very few attractive young slim girls and many excuses not to fuck from these girls is what both me and my group saw.
Many bars were very quiet, some having no customers at all, of the bar owners I do know in angeles most were saying they are just hanging on by putting their hand in their own pocket to cover monthly costs just to stay open, take away the Koreans and in my view none of the bars could survive on just westerners.
This sort of inane self-medicating is why we now have super-bugs flourishing around the planet.
Taking this cocktail of drugs without knowing what is actually wrong with you and then boasting about it is crazy on so many levels.
I assume the same guys have been popping fake dick pills too in excessive quantities without knowing anything about the full range of impurities they have ingested.
When I read about guys dropping dead in AC and other places I often wonder if the generic "heart attack" wasn't attributable to these sort of treatment regimes. I guess we'll never know.Actually the same situation if you go to one of the clinics in Pattaya. The pill doc just prescribes a blanket antibiotic coverage (the shotgun approach) and most farang (westerners) take a couple of days of it. If 1 is good, then 2 or 3 must be better. The symptoms abate and they stop taking the med. That is how superbugs get immunity.
In my experience gonorrhea was asymptomatic. It was treated by a Rocephin injection, which was the most painful shot I've ever received. I have no fear of needles and a high tolerance for pain, so I was able to hobble along. The girl who was injected a few days later wailed like a banshee for a few hours and was physically shattered. I had to carry her, which was a bit disconcerting because some bystanders looked at me as if I'd been beating her.Was it in th e buttocks? That must have been the mule kick shot I was referring to. I hopped around in the parking lot for a minute trying to get it out of my system. Some poor pinay girls relatively meatless flacid ass it must be worse. In my experience they have incredible threshold when it comes to uncomfortness in what most of us would consider stress positions or situations but not pure pain as you say. Some of it may be my age I guess.
The good news is it knocks it out relatively quickly. Having a more personal Major Burns level of pain tolerance than your more heroric constitution myself and with more time to allow for the cure public health wise, the second time I chose to see if the Azithroymicn course worked which it did. I think those public health young ladies would have prefered to administer a more punitive Rocephin as you say injection after I honestly answered their obligatory questions about my sexual practices in the phils.
Davidlaolee
07-10-16, 04:27
Did a quick 8 day trip to the Philippines. First time ever, but was shown around by a fellow ISGer (many thanks to him).
Arrived in Manila on the 24th of June and stayed at the Penninsula (highly recommended). Road tripped it to Angeles City on the 27th of June and stayed at the ABC (also highly recommended).
Day 1 (24/6/2016).
Did some quick Tinder swipes upon my arrival and matched with quite a few in Manila. Organised to meet up with one. Girl was conservative virgin 22 yr old. Did some drinks then pulled her to my room. Sat on the bed and tried to go in for kiss. She pulled back vehemently. Didn't want to waste anymore time so told her to go. She sent me a text later saying she had a good time and wanted to meet again, never replied. Body was probably a 7/10, face a 6/10 (with make up).
Day 2.
More Tinder swipes and found what appeared to be a hottie (9/10 face, 10/10 body). Organised to meet up at my room. Turns out to be a trannie. Got rid of her. ISG mate coincidentally messages me after she leaves. Meet up with him and we bar hop (forget the names of the places). Pick a girl I like and try to pay bar fine. Bar fine was asking for 3,800 pesos and girl wanted at least a 1,500 tip. Decide it was a rip off and we bail. I go home empty handed and blue balls. Oh well.
Day 3.
Didn't do much this day. Was super tired so just slept, ordered a load of room service.
Day 4.
Packed and met ISG friend for road trip to Angeles City. We stopped by the Manila mall before taking off and I did some limited day game. Approaches were super easy and girls highly receptive, definitely a nice change of pace from Australia. Girls actually messaged me first, instead of flaking like the ones I number close back here. We arrive in Angeles and get settled in. Time for some bar hopping! Being my first time in Angeles, I didn't know what to expect, so I over dress. We drop by Pony Tails, I pick a girl there that I liked (body 8/10, face 7/10). Then do another bar (forget the name), lastly stop at Centuro. Find another girl I liked too but found it hard to dump the one I already bar fined. This new girl is JUST what I liked, face was a 9/10 and body a 10/10. She was super shy, almost on the verge of being rude, but that just got my boner raging harder.
Walk both of them back to ABC and order room service. We eat, awkwardly, then shower. I bang the first girl from Pony Tails, other girl hides in bathroom. After that, take a 10 minute breather and the second girl comes in. Start making out with her and the first girl climbs in bed and falls asleep. Smash the second girl (pussy was so tight! I was so tired after that and try to fall asleep but the second girl keeps tossing and turning (she can't sleep). I walk her down stairs, and she trikes it home. First girl continues sleeping until around 7 am and leaves.
Day 5.
Slept most of the day, then bar hopped on my own at night. Stop by Pony Tails, found one that I like, super cute too (body a 8. 5/10, face 9/10). Bar fined her, and we hop over to Centuro. Like what I see at Centuros but still liked the one I have so far. Bounce my current girl back to ABC, bang her but can't finish, because she tells me how she hates sex (massive boner killer for me). Bounce to Centuro again and pick the one I liked there (face an 8.5/10, body and 9/10). Bring her back and we have dinner. She's shy but I like that kind of thing. Back to my room for sexiness. She stays the night.
Day 6.
More sex in the morning, then the girl from Centuro leaves. ISG friend and I go shopping. Being tired, I take the night off and sleep.
Day 7.
Message the Centuro girl I bar fined on day 4 to come directly to my place instead of work. She agrees, but then at last minute cancels. Pretty annoyed, I go to Centuro and pick the girl I was with on Day 5 instead. She comes back and more sex.
Day 8.
She spends the entire day with me and introduces me to her friends and extended family (uh oh! I at least got to see what her life was like.
Day 9.
I leave for Manila airport.
Definitely happy with it being my first trip to the Philippines and definitely will be returning.
Fastpiston
07-10-16, 08:32
Rain, rain and more rain.
Although my Phills trip was for just under 6 weeks in total I spent only 5 days of it in Angeles city and barhopped only on one afternoon (perimeter) and one evening (fields).
First things first, where have all the westerners gone, very few to be seen in the hotels, bars, mall, would estimate that at least 8 out of 10 guys seen around town were Asian, mainly Korean and Japanese.
The hotel I was staying at has roughly 100 rooms, it seemed that only a very few were actually occupied, the pool was mostly empty and staff were saying they had never seen it so quiet.
Perimeter barhop,
Tried half a dozen of the main popular bars on perimeter, most walked in and walked straight back out, very few bored looking chubby girls doing the ac shuffle, not worth even 1 beer.
Settled on few beers in after school, a Korean owned bar but very friendly staff and management,5 or 6 Korean customers, my small group were the only westerner in there, maybe 15 girls in total, 2 just ok looks and body but not stunners, called one down for a drink, she is 22, from Samar and a great smile, friendly and talkative, only one problem, she is on men and cannot barfine, maybe you come back next week sir she said with a smile, maybe next week you still have men and every week after that was my reply at which she smiled guiltily, my friend had called down the other cutie but she would only agree to short time and refused to give a blow job so he had declined.
Hit a few more perimeter bars, mixture of fatties, fuglies, men girls, cherry girls, bored looking girls and little else.
Walking street night barhop.
I have barhopped on walking street many times over many years and know from experience that there are only a handful of bars where there is a chance of slim young good looking girls and all these bars are owned by the same group (dhg).
Atlantis bar,10-12 Korean customers apart from our group, again we were the only westerners here, quite a few girls in various groups some doing the shows, some parading in moving lines and some standing around the balcony areas.
I am well known in Atlantis by the owners / staff / girls and always made to feel welcome, first round was on management but as a group we stayed for many drinks, bought many girlie drinks and had a good time, of the top looking girls many were claiming to be cherry (virgins) a few drinks only girls and a few chubby plain girls willing to barfine (st only).
Club Asia,
Again only Korean clients, mixture of chubby average looking girls,1 girl that was very cute, tried to get her attention but she would not look my way, asked the waitress about her, sir I call her for you, and so she did but the girl refused to come sit with us, no loss, if she think her shit don't stink then imagine what a crap lay she would be back at the room that's if the princess would accept barfine at all.
All in all.
Very few girls that are slim and attractive to be found anywhere in angeles of these most are excuse girls not to barfine, men, cherry, Korean only, not feeling well etc.
Many guys rave about Angeles city and the thousands of stunning girls to be found there, in truth I just do not see this at all, angeles compared to just a few year ago is a shadow of its former self, very few attractive young slim girls and many excuses not to fuck from these girls is what both me and my group saw.
Many bars were very quiet, some having no customers at all, of the bar owners I do know in angeles most were saying they are just hanging on by putting their hand in their own pocket to cover monthly costs just to stay open, take away the Koreans and in my view none of the bars could survive on just westerners.Very good review and reflect my observations, been going AC for years. Quality has fallen dramatically, bar fines up significantly and girl attitudes fallen a lot. There will be guys who think AC is a paradise, as you say, but look at the guys. I suspect the good looking Samar girls have realized that Manila make far more money, the remnants are left in AC. I have left the bar scene and have had a lot of success with real beauties. I still go to the bars for the music and watch the AC schuffle. I never buy drinks, but waItresses in AC and Manila make approaches for off line meetings. So do many restaurant staff. I like these as they can get lined up. They very often are looking for marriage etc. , but obviously I stay vague. They take that as a challenge. And usually try harder. Life is fun.
Yes, it gets rainy in Luzon June thru August. Thanks for the weather report. There is much less rain as you go further south. I'll be in Cebu next month.
The number of quality GROs on duty at 11 pm on a Saturday night and those at 7 pm on a Friday night is different. Very different. The Napa Slap doesn't tell us the time, nor does he identify the hotel he stayed at.
Rain, rain and more rain.
Although my Phills trip was for just under 6 weeks in total I spent only 5 days of it in Angeles city and barhopped only on one afternoon (perimeter) and one evening (fields).
First things first, where have all the westerners gone, very few to be seen in the hotels, bars, mall, would estimate that at least 8 out of 10 guys seen around town were Asian, mainly Korean and Japanese.
The hotel I was staying at has roughly 100 rooms, it seemed that only a very few were actually occupied, the pool was mostly empty and staff were saying they had never seen it so quiet.
Perimeter barhop,
Tried half a dozen of the main popular bars on perimeter, most walked in and walked straight back out, very few bored looking chubby girls doing the ac shuffle, not worth even 1 beer.
Settled on few beers in after school, a Korean owned bar but very friendly staff and management,5 or 6 Korean customers, my small group were the only westerner in there, maybe 15 girls in total, 2 just ok looks and body but not stunners, called one down for a drink, she is 22, from Samar and a great smile, friendly and talkative, only one problem, she is on men and cannot barfine, maybe you come back next week sir she said with a smile, maybe next week you still have men and every week after that was my reply at which she smiled guiltily, my friend had called down the other cutie but she would only agree to short time and refused to give a blow job so he had declined.
Hit a few more perimeter bars, mixture of fatties, fuglies, men girls, cherry girls, bored looking girls and little else.
Walking street night barhop.
I have barhopped on walking street many times over many years and know from experience that there are only a handful of bars where there is a chance of slim young good looking girls and all these bars are owned by the same group (dhg).
Atlantis bar,10-12 Korean customers apart from our group, again we were the only westerners here, quite a few girls in various groups some doing the shows, some parading in moving lines and some standing around the balcony areas.
I am well known in Atlantis by the owners / staff / girls and always made to feel welcome, first round was on management but as a group we stayed for many drinks, bought many girlie drinks and had a good time, of the top looking girls many were claiming to be cherry (virgins) a few drinks only girls and a few chubby plain girls willing to barfine (st only).
Club Asia,
Again only Korean clients, mixture of chubby average looking girls,1 girl that was very cute, tried to get her attention but she would not look my way, asked the waitress about her, sir I call her for you, and so she did but the girl refused to come sit with us, no loss, if she think her shit don't stink then imagine what a crap lay she would be back at the room that's if the princess would accept barfine at all.
All in all.
Very few girls that are slim and attractive to be found anywhere in angeles of these most are excuse girls not to barfine, men, cherry, Korean only, not feeling well etc.
Many guys rave about Angeles city and the thousands of stunning girls to be found there, in truth I just do not see this at all, angeles compared to just a few year ago is a shadow of its former self, very few attractive young slim girls and many excuses not to fuck from these girls is what both me and my group saw.
Many bars were very quiet, some having no customers at all, of the bar owners I do know in angeles most were saying they are just hanging on by putting their hand in their own pocket to cover monthly costs just to stay open, take away the Koreans and in my view none of the bars could survive on just westerners.
NapaSlapper
07-10-16, 15:33
Yes, it gets rainy in Luzon June thru August. Thanks for the weather report. There is much less rain as you go further south. I'll be in Cebu next month.
The number of quality GROs on duty at 11 pm on a Saturday night and those at 7 pm on a Friday night is different. Very different. The Napa Slap doesn't tell us the time, nor does he identify the hotel he stayed at.Thanks for your grumpy input as usual x.
Perimeter barhop was on a Saturday afternoon between 2 pm and 7 pm so the busiest day at the busiest times for perimeter afternoon bars.
Fields walking street Saturday evening between 8,30 pm and 1 am again the busiest day of the week at the busiest times.
If its not busy on the prime day of the week at the prime times for both customers and number of girls then maybe its fair to state that the rest of the week would be far worse, possible dead.
Hotel was as always the Lewis grand hotel so yet again one of the most popular if not the most popular hotel in all of Angeles city.
Have to say you are wrong to state that the further south would be drier, visited Cebu on same trip and as down south as Davao, rain the same as Luzon. But hey it is rainy season for all the Phills so not sure why you were expecting south to be dry, my advice pack a brolly.
Thanks for adding details to your AC field report.
On average, Cebu and Davao get less rain than Manila in July and August. Here is a website that makes it fairly easy to make a comparison of different locations.
https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine-in-Philippines
Of course the info is just averages. Having an umbrella handy is good advice.
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Have to say you are wrong to state that the further south would be drier, visited Cebu on same trip and as down south as Davao, rain the same as Luzon. But hey it is rainy season for all the Phills so not sure why you were expecting south to be dry, my advice pack a brolly.
ConquerorVal
07-13-16, 04:13
Definitely happy with it being my first trip to the Philippines and definitely will be returning.Nice report. Its refreshing to see some positive reviews, as opposed to the never ending disdain that some ISG members seem to have for AC in their reports.
GoodEnough
07-13-16, 07:15
Very good review and reflect my observations, been going AC for years. Quality has fallen dramatically, bar fines up significantly and girl attitudes fallen a lot. There will be guys who think AC is a paradise, as you say, but look at the guys. I suspect the good looking Samar girls have realized that Manila make far more money, the remnants are left in AC. I have left the bar scene and have had a lot of success with real beauties. I still go to the bars for the music and watch the AC schuffle. I never buy drinks, but waItresses in AC and Manila make approaches for off line meetings. So do many restaurant staff. I like these as they can get lined up. They very often are looking for marriage etc. , but obviously I stay vague. They take that as a challenge. And usually try harder. Life is fun.Here's a minor contribution to the (seemingly) endless discussion of whether the overall quality of Angeles has declined. I've been going there on and off for seven years or so, and while I enjoy the place when I'm in the company of a colleague or close buddy, for the most part I find it anemic. But my perceptions of the place--seedy, uninteresting restaurants, borderline decrepit bars, endless poorly dressed drunks and bored women shuffling around stage, mediocre hotels--hasn't changed from my first visit through my twentieth or so. The place is what it is; largely point and click for those wanting to get their rocks off quickly. So, the bottom line for me is that it hasn't deteriorated given that it didn't have very far to fall, and it's remained the same pallid imitation of Pattaya since I was introduced to it. Yes, the ladies are "nicer" than in Thailand, more likely to provided the vaunted GFE, and yes the city is a boring, uninteresting slum-like place with little to do, but t'was ever thus.
GE.
NapaSlapper
07-13-16, 10:57
Here's a minor contribution to the (seemingly) endless discussion of whether the overall quality of Angeles has declined. I've been going there on and off for seven years or so, and while I enjoy the place when I'm in the company of a colleague or close buddy, for the most part I find it anemic. But my perceptions of the place--seedy, uninteresting restaurants, borderline decrepit bars, endless poorly dressed drunks and bored women shuffling around stage, mediocre hotels--hasn't changed from my first visit through my twentieth or so. The place is what it is; largely point and click for those wanting to get their rocks off quickly. So, the bottom line for me is that it hasn't deteriorated given that it didn't have very far to fall, and it's remained the same pallid imitation of Pattaya since I was introduced to it. Yes, the ladies are "nicer" than in Thailand, more likely to provided the vaunted GFE, and yes the city is a boring, uninteresting slum-like place with little to do, but t'was ever thus.
GE.GE, have to agree with you on many points.
As per your own admission you have only been going to angeles for a short time, most of that time has been the bar raid period when things started to go down hill fast.
For the guys like myself and many other board members who have been visiting for almost two decades then the bar scene has had a dramatic change in girl quality, attitude and fun to be had in the bars and back at the room.
Back in the day angeles bars were a serious rival to Pattaya, on some angeles visits I had to pinch my self on the flight home to make sure the amount of true stunning pinays that had rocked my world on that trip were not just a figment of my imagination, that's how good angeles once was.
Yes the bars were always run down, the restaurants still served the crap they call food now and the police were just as dodgy as they are now, set ups were rife back then just as they are now, but the girls looks, body and their attitude back at the room was 1st class.
As I said in my trip report, alas angeles is a shadow of former years.
Good news though is that in my 6 week trip I only slept alone on three occasions and that was by choice, many beautiful, educated, willing Pinay girls to be found online, in the malls.
Working at restaurants, call centers etc.
IMHO the Phills is a great destination to find attractive, young, slim bed partners, they just are very very few in number that work in the bars of Angeles, changing ones strategy away from the bars and prostitutes constantly gives me great results and mainly at less cost.
. . . but t'was ever thus.
GE.You've got a point but I'd quibble about 'ever'. AC was a very different and generally much more exciting place back in the days when the base was still going. It became something else afterwards, and we are now seeing even that gradually wind down.
That said. . . I still go, though only with friends (can't imagine it solo any more), and I'm willing to spend a lot of time to find somebody a bit special. God knows, it's a lot more of a search than it used to be. But when somebody nice turns up, it's as good as ever. Well, for a few days anyhow.
Has anybody every been with this girl and remember what club she is at. I can't remember the club she is at.
The price of tea in China was so much cheaper 20 years ago. Now it is out of control. I can remember when it was only a few pennies a kilo. And the quality has really gone downhill.
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For the guys like myself and many other board members who have been visiting for almost two decades then the bar scene has had a dramatic change in girl quality, attitude and fun to be had in the bars and back at the room.
Back in the day angeles bars were a serious rival to Pattaya, on some angeles visits I had to pinch my self on the flight home to make sure the amount of true stunning pinays that had rocked my world on that trip were not just a figment of my imagination, that's how good angeles once was.. . <SNIP>. . Agreed Napa.
I first went to AC in the period 1996-2000 when it was a genuine party town.
Lots of fun, whether alone or in a group.
After a hiatus of several years I returned around 2005 and stayed only one night. I couldn't wait to leave.
The decline was extraordinary.
I've never been back since that visit and I have no intention of ever doing so.
My comment is based on "relative merit".
No doubt guys who didn't know what it used to be like think it's still OK, and that's OK too. This is JMHO.
Right on, Napa Slapper. It's a goldmine.
, many beautiful, educated, willing Pinay girls to be found online, in the malls working at restaurants, call centers etc. IMHO the Phills is a great destination to find attractive, young, slim bed partners, they just are very very few in number that work in the bars of Angeles, changing ones strategy away from the bars and prostitutes constantly gives me great results and mainly at less cost..
Wicked Roger
07-14-16, 03:03
Has anybody every been with this girl and remember what club she is at. I can't remember the club she is at.Who knows but if she works in bar am sure someone has "been with her" before.
Ad if you can't remember her name or her club why bother to find out unless maybe there is a unusual reason for posting her full face picture on the forum. While some like me cut off faces, others such as Westie blur. You do neither so I am wondering why you need to find someone you seem not to know or remember etc given your limited time in the Philippines.
Who knows but if she works in bar am sure someone has "been with her" before.
Ad if you can't remember her name or her club why bother to find out unless maybe there is a unusual reason for posting her full face picture on the forum. While some like me cut off faces, others such as Westie blur. You do neither so I am wondering why you need to find someone you seem not to know or remember etc given your limited time in the Philippines.Now now WR.
Let's assume he is looking for her with good intentions, maybe it is his ex or want her to be his next. I think he should post his picture too so the Dick Tracy's on the ground can find her and verify him to her.
This could be the first ISG wedding in AC.
Now now WR.
Let's assume he is looking for her with good intentions, maybe it is his ex or want her to be his next. I think he should post his picture too so the Dick Tracy's on the ground can find her and verify him to her.
This could be the first ISG wedding in AC.We could write, CHRIS FROM Chicago looking for girl in AC under his picture. I mean really, if you don't know her name, you're a nobody to her. No good reason to post her pic on a monger site. Lacking some common sense.
BrainDrain
07-14-16, 23:28
Has anybody every been with this girl and remember what club she is at. I can't remember the club she is at.The pictures appear to be selfies that maybe she sent you through chat / dating site. Have you ever actually met her in person? Have you been in AC?
To be honest with you, she does look familiar.
Do you remember if she had a butterfly tattoo on her right or left butt-cheek?
Member #4566
07-15-16, 20:54
Here's a minor contribution to the (seemingly) endless discussion of whether the overall quality of Angeles has declined.
GE.Have we merely become jaded? Are we being deluded by euphoric recall? Have the sands of time made us less attractive thus explaining the higher occurrence of one pop runners?
I'm humbled. With such few words you express so much meaning, and you do it indirectly and eloquently.
I was considering a reply to the AC whingers and it went something like this, "yea, ten years have passed and now you've reached some kind of ugly elderly age where 20 year old bar gals would rather hook up with a 30 year old Korean than your 50 ish, fat ass. ".
Hats off to you Mr. Pomp
Have we merely become jaded? Are we being deluded by euphoric recall? Have the sands of time made us less attractive thus explaining the higher occurrence of one pop runners?
Relax WR, he's either in love or has a score to settle. Or there may be other reasons. I have a long list of gals I'd like to meet again. It's unfortunate that the Internet provides the opportunity and temptation, but also complicates the solution.
Who knows but if she works in bar am sure someone has "been with her" before.
Ad if you can't remember her name or her club why bother to find out unless maybe there is a unusual reason for posting her full face picture on the forum. While some like me cut off faces, others such as Westie blur. You do neither so I am wondering why you need to find someone you seem not to know or remember etc given your limited time in the Philippines..
Screaming Beaver
07-17-16, 04:23
20 year old bar gals would rather hook up with a 30 year old Korean than your 50 ish, fat ass. ". 50 ish? I seem to recall Xman writing about the time he spent on an aircraft carrier back in WW2.
In my ten months in the Philippines, the number of times I've seen a truly drop dead gorgeous girl, pro or non, with a foreigner: 1. Number of hotties with a Sub-1 Ass Fungus local dude who would make the jankiest of us look like Channing Tatum in a Mach 3 commercial: way too many. It's just how it is. Can we stop crying about it now? It has nothing to do with your age or your looks. Blame the sailors! Blame the Koreans and the rising GDP! Most of all, blame the "international pickup artists" who link $500 flights to Manila on their various forums and proclaim how pathetic it is to ever treat a girl to dinner, and the cheap charlies who complain about how expensive it is to take a bus to AC.
RantThis would have been the perfect rant had you also shoehorned in Donald Trump, ISIS, Brexit, and feminazis. And the new Ghostbusters. Seems that film has polarised the western world, too.
Better luck next time.
Fastpiston
07-17-16, 07:27
I'm humbled. With such few words you express so much meaning, and you do it indirectly and eloquently.
I was considering a reply to the AC whingers and it went something like this, "yea, ten years have passed and now you've reached some kind of ugly elderly age where 20 year old bar gals would rather hook up with a 30 year old Korean than your 50 ish, fat ass. ".
Hats off to you Mr. PompThe vaste majority of AC bargirls are looking for MONEY, not good looks. Any ugly man waving 1000 peso notes around and throwing pesos onto the dance stage is suddenly young, handsome and very, very popular. When I went to Ermita in the vintage days, same story. An ugly old Japanese came in the bar and the immediate magnetism was truly amazing. Yes, youth and looks count, but with the vaste majority of bar girls, that is far, far down the priority list.
With internet girls one has to filter out bar girls going online for extra cash. With non bar girls on internet, the motivation is usually marriage (money, passport, support for family, student fees, college costs, support of their kids etc.). Some are very sincere really loving girls, but one has to do a lot of careful filtration. I have had terrific success outside the bar scene mainly with girls without kids who are qualified teachers, nurses etc. I never bed down on first date, but behave totally charming. Later I tell them 'no money, no marriage' and the relationship gets even stronger. I say I am divorced and had unhappy experience before, so marriage is off. I use dual SIM cellphones and never receive texts when on a date. All texts are received vibration only and are read and deleted when I go to the CR. Wonderful fun place.
Better luck next time.But I do quite well here, sir.
I have been to the Philippines 5 times, but have been in a relationship. Now I want to take a trip to Asia and hit Chiang Mai, Sihanoukville and Angeles City. Maybe three months total. Just going to find cheapest one way flight to either chiang Mai, or Bangkok. Stay in Chiang Mai for maybe a month. Then up to Sihanoukville for a month, back to Bangkok for a week, and then to Angeles City for three weeks.
In Angeles I will chat with DIA etc a month before hand. Then work the Malls and DIA girls. But I also want to try the P4P options.
I want to go to the Area and try to get a $6 blowjob, or all-night*bargirl*companion from a gogo joint for 30 US $.
Then Blow Row or A Santos Street and try to get a blow-job for 10 $ /500 pesos or a BJ / sex combo for 800 pesos.
Well you get the idea.
Mr Enternational
07-18-16, 00:09
Now I want to take a trip to Asia and hit Chiang Mai, Sihanoukville and Angeles City. Maybe three months total. Just going to find cheapest one way flight to either chiang Mai, or Bangkok. Stay in Chiang Mai for maybe a month. Then up to Sihanoukville for a month, back to Bangkok for a week, and then to Angeles City for three weeks.
I want to go to the Area and try to get a $6 blowjob, or all-night*bargirl*companion from a gogo joint for 30 US $.
Then Blow Row or A Santos Street and try to get a blow-job for 10 $ /500 pesos or a BJ / sex combo for 800 pesos.I think you are stuck in the 80's. If you search the hread you will see that Blow Row is about to take its last breath.
And what the heck would one do in Chiang Mai for 1 month if they did not live there? I live in Pattaya and have been there twice for 3 days each. Once you have done the Golden Triangle Tour and messed around with some elephants it is time to go back home.
Soldierb11
07-18-16, 01:43
I want to go to the Area and try to get a $6 blowjob, or all-night*bargirl*companion from a gogo joint for 30 US $.
Well you get the idea.The prices you are hoping for haven't been seen in a long time. About 6 months ago the cheapest BF at a gogo on WS was about 2400 pesos or almost twice what you are hoping to pay. And that is the cheapest one at typhoon. Some of the others are easily 3000-3500 pesos or about $65-72.
And as Mr. E asks WTF you going to do in Chiang mai for a month? Its not a mongering destination at all. Sure there are some places to go but it is not a place people go to for this hobby.
The reason I am staying so long. Well I am looking for a place to live.
I guess I could just get a one way to Thailand. And just play it by ear.
I have been to the Philippines 5 times, but have been in a relationship. Now I want to take a trip to Asia and hit Chiang Mai, Sihanoukville and Angeles City. Maybe three months total. Just going to find cheapest one way flight to either chiang Mai, or Bangkok. Stay in Chiang Mai for maybe a month. Then up to Sihanoukville for a month, back to Bangkok for a week, and then to Angeles City for three weeks.
In Angeles I will chat with DIA etc a month before hand. Then work the Malls and DIA girls. But I also want to try the P4P options.
I want to go to the Area and try to get a $6 blowjob, or all-night*bargirl*companion from a gogo joint for 30 US $.
Then Blow Row or A Santos Street and try to get a blow-job for 10 $ /500 pesos or a BJ / sex combo for 800 pesos.
Well you get the idea.Don't get discouraged, maybe it is workable for pnp. 6 months ago someone wanted to know if he could live in Phil on $600 a month? A few people said it was possible.
Personally I feel if you are on a low budget don't bother coming.
BrainDrain
07-18-16, 11:57
In Angeles I will chat with DIA etc a month before hand. Then work the Malls and DIA girls. But I also want to try the P4P options.
.I never see Mall action in Angeles.
I never see Mall action in Angeles.I had an excellent meal at Marquee Mall when TGIF was there. I guess the only alternative is now JolliBee. X.
Don't get discouraged, maybe it is workable for pnp. 6 months ago someone wanted to know if he could live in Phil on $600 a month? A few people said it was possible.
Personally I feel if you are on a low budget don't bother coming.In one way I agree with you about not coming if one's on a tight budget, yet the person would also be on a tight budget in the more expensive homeland. I suppose what type of gov't benefits one may collect would dictate whether that's a decent quality of life or utter crap. One needs to keep in mind there are recurring visa costs here, and if you don't have enough money to qualify for a retirement visa then one will have to leave country once in while. Also, you're on your own for medical.
I think $600 per month would be difficult, yet Filipinos are able to get by on that and even less. But even they may belong to PhilHealth, and often a family has several wage earners living together to share costs. Those living alone often stay in a bedspace; I doubt most foreigners would enjoy that lifestyle.
This website is OK for calculating cost of living in cities throughout the world, http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Philippines&city=Angeles.
Of course it's only as good as the data input.
I have gazed upon and taken a picture of the mothballed carrier Shangrila tied up next to the mothballed New Jersey. That's as close as I've ever been to a WW2 warship. Oh wait, there was that German submarine in New London.
50 ish? I seem to recall Xman writing about the time he spent on an aircraft carrier back in WW2.
I found this to be handy website, Huts. Thanks. According to this it will cost me to live in Dumaguete about 20% of what it costs to live in Sacramento, CA. That's like being elevated to upper class.
QUOTE=Hutsori;1910096 This website is OK for calculating cost of living in cities throughout the world, URL]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Philippines&city=Angeles / URL.
I found this to be handy website, Huts. Thanks. According to this it will cost me to live in Dumaguete about 20% of what it costs to live in Sacramento, CA. That's like being elevated to upper class.
QUOTE=Hutsori;1910096 This website is OK for calculating cost of living in cities throughout the world, URL]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Philippines&city=Angeles / URL.This is a good basic budget to start with but need to add additional monthly costs.
1. BG or GF costs.
2. BG or GF family monthly subsidy.
3. Occasional investment for piglet.
4. GF family medical costs.
5. GF birth control.
6. Optional but I would put the whole GF family on birth control. Trust me, it will be a great investment. Do the 3 month injection so there is no lapse.
7. GF shampoo and conditioner.
Of course the additional budget items would still be less than 20% of USA costs.
Member #4643
07-18-16, 22:57
I met a beauty on DIA who works as a "food attendant".
At Gossip bar. I went to the FB site of this bar, but I cannot tell if this is a mongering bar.
I would love to fuck this girl even if it involved a bar fine. On the other hand, the bar may be for drinking alcohol and listening to music. In that case, I would invite her out on a date and take my chances (which are close to 100%, being the Philippines).
Can anyone put my prospects into perspective for me?
Thanks!
If you need someone to hold your hand I'm sure X Man and Mr. E will help you. Hhahahhahaha
I met a beauty on DIA who works as a "food attendant".
At Gossip bar. I went to the FB site of this bar, but I cannot tell if this is a mongering bar.
I would love to fuck this girl even if it involved a bar fine. On the other hand, the bar may be for drinking alcohol and listening to music. In that case, I would invite her out on a date and take my chances (which are close to 100%, being the Philippines).
Can anyone put my prospects into perspective for me?
Thanks!.
I met a beauty on DIA who works as a "food attendant".
At Gossip bar. I went to the FB site of this bar, but I cannot tell if this is a mongering bar.
I would love to fuck this girl even if it involved a bar fine. On the other hand, the bar may be for drinking alcohol and listening to music. In that case, I would invite her out on a date and take my chances (which are close to 100%, being the Philippines).
Can anyone put my prospects into perspective for me?
Thanks!Let me put your prosidick in perspective.
I doubt if you or anyone has a 100% chance of fucking anyone anywhere, let alone the Philipines. You could be the most handsome billionaire and still not have a 100% chance. I doubt if you are either let alone both.
Gossips is a restaurant that serves beer and I think alcohol and have hooka pipes. Hooka not hookers. I know one of the waitress there and I am sure Gossips do not do bar fines.
Mr. Gump, it would be wise to try not to stereotype these Filipinas.
Gossips is a restaurant that serves beer and I think alcohol and have hooka pipes. Hooka not hookers. I know one of the waitress there and I am sure Gossips do not do bar fines.I hung out there and besides the ghetto hip hop they incessantly bore you w / it's a great place to people watch and smoke your brains out.
They have a full bar and restaurant. I asked this one if they BF because she was the hottest looker in AC, the answer was a big fat no.
Some shots.
Mr Enternational
07-19-16, 02:54
If you need someone to hold your hand I'm sure X Man and Mr. E will help you. HhahahhahahaAnd since I will be going to AC tomorrow, I will run through and give her a test drive. What is the chick's name Forest?
The reason I am staying so long. Well I am looking for a place to live.
I guess I could just get a one way to Thailand. And just play it by ear.Play it by ear has its merits, especially if you like surprises and unfortunate outcomes. Likely the first one will be on day 1 of your adventure at your departure airport when the counter agent asks to see your onward ticket for leaving Thailand. "Huh?" may not work. Amazing, right?
Before you throw caution to the wind and board a flight you ought to at least determine the visa requirements. I think the Philippines is much more liberal extending visas; one may stay here up to 3 years on a tourist visa without departure provided one visits the immigration office to renew, and the extension periods are 1, 2, and 6 months. A 6-month extension is convenient when one lives far away from the immigration office. Or simply lazy, like me. But don't pair laziness with forgetfulness. If you goof up and apply for the extension after your visa has expired like I've done the gov't isn't punitive. The conditions for retirement visa here aren't too burdensome or expensive either - one-time $1,400 application fee and $360 annual fee. How many countries will issue a retirement visa to those 35 years old? Contrast this to Thailand, which over the years has become more restrictive.
BrainDrain
07-20-16, 04:40
I hung out there and besides the ghetto hip hop they incessantly bore you w / it's a great place to people watch and smoke your brains out.
They have a full bar and restaurant. I asked this one if they BF because she was the hottest looker in AC, the answer was a big fat no.
Some shots.I would be a little more positive about a coffee shop / bar located on Walking St.
I agree that it is not an establishment that operates a barfine system.
However, it is a place where lovely cute filipina work. They have to go home sometimes. I feel they would be open to dating offers, catch up after shift etc etc etc.
And even if you don't score with one of the F&B staff there seems to be a steady stream of local girls that frequent the place. And the reason they go to all the trouble to frequent a joint on walking street?. Is to meet foreigners.
At all times, we should be respectful yet open to opportunities.
BD.
I would be a little more positive about a coffee shop / bar located on Walking St.
I agree that it is not an establishment that operates a barfine system.
However, it is a place where lovely cute filipina work. They have to go home sometimes. I feel they would be open to dating offers, catch up after shift etc etc etc.
And even if you don't score with one of the F&B staff there seems to be a steady stream of local girls that frequent the place. And the reason they go to all the trouble to frequent a joint on walking street?. Is to meet foreigners.
At all times, we should be respectful yet open to opportunities.
BD.I'm a confused person to put it simply. On one hand I was answering the waitress BF question, that's a nope.
My header was saying don't go (it's expensive) the content of my post was it's a fun place. Hence I'm confused, so don't go there.
I wouldn't call it a cafe but maybe it is. It's a great place to make new friends though as you point out.
The freaking music drives me nuts after being there an hour. But I still like the place very much, just don't go there and clog the place up. Not you but the others around here.
One night last April w / some friends I met at Bar 7.
Mr Enternational
07-20-16, 23:42
Nothing different. Just the usual. Went outside at NAIA Terminal 3. Walked over to the Yellow Taxis. Got in the line at 820pm and it took 30 minutes for me to get into my taxi. At the old terminal I used to be able to just walk outside and get into one. The new Regular (white) Taxis that someone mentioned being back are right across from the yellow one. The white ones were showing up more frequently, but the line was probably 3 times as long as the line for the yellows.
I got into my taxi at 850pm and told the driver to take me to Victory Liner in Pasay. He asked if I wanted him to take the Skyway Toll for 20 pesos. I usually say no, but this time I said yes. Arrived at Victory Liner at 905pm and the meter read 158p (Uber would have been 139p - I am happy that now you can indicate to the driver exactly where you are when choosing the pickup location).
The bus to Dau was already there. I stopped by the toilet right quick then jumped on the bus. It pulled out of the station at 909pm. The cost was 150p.
There was a lot of traffic. I had the entire back row to myself. I watched a couple of shows on my tablet then fell asleep. I woke up about 5 minutes before getting to Dau. Arrived in Dau at 1123pm.
I hopped on a trike and arrived at my hotel at 1130pm. I handed the trike driver 100p instead of the usual 80p that I give them.
In summary, walked out of the airport at 820pm and arrived at my hotel in AC at 1130pm. 3 hours and 10 minutes. 428 pesos.
Mr Enternational
07-20-16, 23:53
Gossip is a restaurant, bar, and lounge so of course there is no bar fine for the waitresses. Wish I knew which chick I was supposed to be trying to hit on though.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 00:15
Went straight to High Society and got on the second chick I liked. She was from Manila and had just arrived and was staying at her friend's house. She was going back to her table with her friend and invited me over, but I still wanted to look around a bit so I got her number and let her go. I came up on a chick that I had hit in February.
Back Story for Next Report: Back then she told me she was 20 years old. For some reason I had circumvented the hotel rules and didn't drop her ID off at the desk. The front desk was calling the room and came knocking on the door for about 1 hour, but I never answered.
The chick had hit me up out of the blue when I was on my way to AC. I told her that I missed her mouth on my dick. I asked her if she had been to HS and she said she had not been in a while but would be going tonight because it was her sister's birthday and she was going to get the VIP booth for 10000 pesos. She asked me when I was coming. I said I would be coming tonight so that I could drink up all of her VIP liquor.
Back to current: I asked the chick where my drink was. She said the VIP was not available, but she would go buy me a drink if I wanted. I was about half way through with my Diet Coke and declined her offer. I told her that I would talk to her later and went to stand in a dark corner to hunt. A few more chicks came over by me in hopes of earning the business, but I just kept to friendly banter with them.
I finally decided to go over to my first chick's table so that nobody else would scoop her up before I did. I asked her about dancing and she said she did not know how. She walked away in a hurry. I tried to grab her before she left, but I could not. She must have been reading my mind though because she came back with 3 rum and cokes for me, her and her friend. Cheers.
She pointed at a chick on the dance floor with white pants on and said they were enemies because the girl fucked her ex boyfriend. I told her that they needed to fight then. She asked why. I said because I wanted to get it on video. When the chick with white pants walked by I grabbed her and told her that my girl wanted to fight her because she fucked her ex boyfriend. They started talking and next thing I know them biitches out on the dance floor dancing together. What kind of shit is this?
When my girl came back I asked her what kind of shit is that? She told me that she could not dance, yet is on the dance floor with the chick she is supposed to be fighting. She went to the bar again and came back with 4 rum and cokes. One for me, one for her, one for her friend, and one for the enemy. Then she gave me her phone and wallet and told me to hold on to it. This night is looking up!
Before we were even half way done with our drinks she told me, me and my friend are going to get some food. Come with us. We went to some Korean restaurant down and across from High Society. You walk back through an alley full of rocks and they have 2 levels. There was so much food on that damn table. The girls told me that most of the stuff that was there comes free with your order though. Somehow we started talking about ages. Her friend said she was 28. I asked my girl how old she was and she wanted me to guess. I said I'm not about to play any fucking guessing games. As a matter of fact, then I pulled her wallet out of my pocket to look for her ID. She was trying to grab it from me but I turned to the side. Bank card, grocery card, money, another frequent buyer card, but no ID. I said where is your ID? She said that she doesn't need it so it is back at her friend's house. You don't need these damn grocery cards either, but they are in here. I said you should always carry ID, but she seemed to think otherwise.
They finished eating and the bill came to 500 pesos. My girl asked if she could pay with her bank card but they said cash only. So she paid with cash. We walked out and her friend got into a trike to go home and we walked toward my hotel. She asked me to go back into High Society to see what was going on. I said no way. It is 4 am. I go to High Society to get pussy. I got pussy. What do I need to go back into High Society for? Every place we passed she wanted to go into. Gogo bars, Sky Traxx. I'm like look, the next place we go into will be my hotel.
So we finally got to the hotel and went to the front desk. Since she didn't have any ID I figured her and the lady would work out some kind of deal. The lady told her that she could call her friend and have her take a picture of her ID and text it to her and that would be sufficient. So she called the friend who had just gotten home. The friend said she was too sleepy and would do it in the morning. What kind of Filipino logic is that? And I thought her friend was the smart one.
So now this chick is stuck in the middle of the night without any place to go. Her phone is dead. She had to plug it in at the hotel desk to get the 2% charge to call her friend. She told me that I could just go on to my room and she would be okay. Me go to my room with a dry dick? You don't know me like that! I went back to High Society to get another broad. Then I started receiving text messages from her saying how it was all my fault that she didn't have her ID with her. Filipino logic once again.
She has a point Mr. E, surely you could have worked something out with the front desk. Did you ask if you could register the gal? Could she have used one of the other cards in her wallet. Maybe it's just me, but I would have been begging and pleading in order to avoid going back on the hunt after 4 am. That's way past my bedtime. X.
Went straight to High Society SNIP
So now this chick is stuck in the middle of the night without any place to go. Her phone is dead. She had to plug it in at the hotel desk to get the 2% charge to call her friend. She told me that I could just go on to my room and she would be okay. Me go to my room with a dry dick? You don't know me like that! I went back to High Society to get another broad. Then I started receiving text messages from her saying how it was all my fault that she didn't have her ID with her. Filipino logic once again.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 03:35
She has a point Mr. E, surely you could have worked something out with the front desk. Did you ask if you could register the gal? Could she have used one of the other cards in her wallet. Maybe it's just me, but I would have been begging and pleading in order to avoid going back on the hunt after 4 am. That's way past my bedtime. X.Tried it all brother. Tried to leave her bank card. Showed her the girl's facebook. We were at the desk about 20 minutes before calling it quits.
Member #4698
07-22-16, 04:56
Tried it all brother. Tried to leave her bank card. Showed her the girl's facebook. We were at the desk about 20 minutes before calling it quits.What hotel did this? IMHO they did not treat you right. I never had a problem at LG or ABC. In fact 98% of the time my girls are never carded anywhere I stay (MNL, BKK, CGK, Phnom, Pat). This is how I like it (although any punter should feel free to register a gal if it makes him feel more comfortable to do so).
I just walk into my hotel with my girl or girls on my arm and I take them straight up to my room like I own the place. I am very rarely guest challenged although once in a blue moon a security guy will stop me and ask me to register a girl. I slow down just enough to indicate my displeasure and to tell him she is my girlfriend, not a you know what, and then I continue on unimpeded to the elevator. The only time this did not work was a few years back when an Airport girl and I were plowed on Tequila and she couldn't walk upright without my assistance. Ha Ha. Pattaya, what can I say?
I have not been to AC in a while. Are there many AC hotels now carding girls? Like I said before I never had a problem in AC, MNL or Subic either for that matter.
I said where is your ID? She said that she doesn't need it so it is back at her friend's house. You don't need these damn grocery cards either, but they are in here.
She asked me to go back into High Society to see what was going on. I said no way. It is 4 am. I go to High Society to get pussy. I got pussy. What do I need to go back into High Society for?
So she called the friend who had just gotten home. The friend said she was too sleepy and would do it in the morning. What kind of Filipino logic is that? And I thought her friend was the smart one.
She told me that I could just go on to my room and she would be okay. Me go to my room with a dry dick? You don't know me like that! I went back to High Society to get another broad. I love this FR. Thanks, Mr E.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 05:41
What hotel did this? IMHO they did not treat you right.Condotel 950. They tell you when you check in that you need to leave the ID of your guests at the desk. When my girlfriend came over yesterday, she came straight to the room. (A key card is needed for the elevator. The guard on the first floor has one and your room key can be used as well.) The front desk called the room saying they needed her ID. (The desk is on the third floor of the place. You will not pass the desk if your room is on other floors, however they can see on the cameras when someone comes to your room on another floor.) I said sure. Send someone up to get it. My girlfriend was a bit confused too because last time she didn't leave her ID. She didn't know that last time I was breaking the rules and just didn't get caught.
On Fields Ave. : Red Queen is closed. Brown Sugar closed this past Wednesday. Those ladies are now working at Champagne on Walking St. A waitress at New Orange told me it will close next month. Rumor that Camelot will also close. These places closed or are closing due to lack of customers. King's Landing on Walking street is closed and undergoing renovations. It was sold and will reopen as the New Lancelot, maybe in another week. Some of the King's Landings ladies can be found in Lollipop or Club XS.
I was in AC last month and one morning the doorman was showing me a memo from the management to ask for guest ID's. No ID no entry. They had never asked for ID before. I asked him why the change in policy? He did not know why and said they did not have any problems with guests before.
Later in the day I saw that he refused entry to a girl on the arms of a regular hotel guest that I had seen there before. The slim girl was dressed quite provocative in a mini skirt and 3-4 inch heels. She had no purse and no ID. They had just got out of a trike. I assumed she was a FL.
That evening I had a girl come to my hotel and I went downstairs to greet her (pay for her trike). The evening doormen were reading the same memo about ID's being required. One whom I have been on a friendly basis told me the girl will need her ID now. As luck would have it, she did not bring her ID with her, the doorman paused for a while then said "oh this is your GF" and let her thru. Meanwhile on the side he told me she would have to have it next time.
As I had reported months ago the hotels in Cebu were requiring ID's. I don't know what is going on but it seems like all the hotels are falling in line with ID requirements.
The following week I was in a Cebu hotel that never required an ID, now it was required. As my 2 guests got out of the taxi the quard asked for their ID's, I held my breath as they looked thru their purse. They each produced an id to the guard and he took the ID's and placed them on his desk. Up to my room we went. Later on we decided to walk to Jollibees for lunch. The guard handed me the girls ID's as we exit. I couldn't help but to look at them and they were their high school ID, issued 4 years ago! Certainly expired now. I guess as long as the guard on cctv was handed an id he didn't care! These two girls were 20 yo.
Wicked Roger
07-23-16, 00:43
As I had reported months ago the hotels in Cebu were requiring ID's. I don't know what is going on but it seems like all the hotels are falling in line with ID requirements.
The following week I was in a Cebu hotel that never required an ID, now it was required. As my 2 guests got out of the taxi the quard asked for their ID's, I held my breath as they looked thru their purse. They each produced an id to the guard and he took the ID's and placed them on his desk. Up to my room we went. Later on we decided to walk to Jollibees for lunch. The guard handed me the girls ID's as we exit. I couldn't help but to look at them and they were their high school ID, issued 4 years ago! Certainly expired now. I guess as long as the guard on cctv was handed an id he didn't care! These two girls were 20 yo.Never had anyone ask for IDs if I use a hotel in Cebu DG. Last week no exception had plenty come visit (well Barek my old mate was in town for religious tourism purposes) and no one was ever asked including my favorite.
And if use Quest you can enter a different way but PM please best keep this off the general forum in case some one reads it and closes that avenue.
NapaSlapper
07-23-16, 03:01
On Fields Ave. : Red Queen is closed. Brown Sugar closed this past Wednesday. Those ladies are now working at Champagne on Walking St. A waitress at New Orange told me it will close next month. Rumor that Camelot will also close. These places closed or are closing due to lack of customers. King's Landing on Walking street is closed and undergoing renovations. It was sold and will reopen as the New Lancelot, maybe in another week. Some of the King's Landings ladies can be found in Lollipop or Club XS.Saw many empty bars on my recent Angeles trip.
In life you can only fool the punters for so long then punters start voting with their feet.
In all honesty it would not bother me if all the angeles bars closed, sorry to say that very few bars are fun to visit unless one is throwing very large amounts of cash around.
Many bar owners, mamasans have lost complete control to the bar girls who take it upon themselves to do as they please, this includes, shuffling on stage that's if they are not sitting playing with their phones, very few smiling happy girls, very few girls that take any notice of westerners, bait and switch tactics that involve promising the world in the bar in order to receive expensive high commission lady drinks only to later make excuses not to barfine, of the very few girls that actually barfine many promise long time only to make excuses to leave early as soon as their punter has had 1 short round if at all.
No wonder the streets, bars, hotels of angeles are very very quiet, most punters want value for money, something that is greatly missing in angeles bars.
As far as girls having to produce ID when entering punters hotels then this should always be 100% policy, no ID, no entry.
I would not dream of letting a bar girl into my room without the correct ID, for obvious reasons.
FritsVanegter
07-23-16, 10:52
Hello,
Soon I will book a long trip to South east Asia again. I have been to angeles city before and some things about it I still like. Two things I hate is lots of terrible food compared to even poorer countries like Laos and it is a hell of a ride to get from Manila to Angeles. Still loads of girls there so I think I could manage to find a few nice ones. Will probably fly to Manila from HCMC. I guess no matter what day or time you arrive Manila is always a mess. I could visit another city and fly from there to angeles but using Cebu you would have to make careful plan because of delays and cancellations. Any advice welcome.
Greetings,
Frits.
Fritz, I have flown Cebu Pacific from Cebu to Clark many times direct flight very cheap no delays.
Hello,
Soon I will book a long trip to South east Asia again. I have been to angeles city before and some things about it I still like. Two things I hate is lots of terrible food compared to even poorer countries like Laos and it is a hell of a ride to get from Manila to Angeles. Still loads of girls there so I think I could manage to find a few nice ones. Will probably fly to Manila from HCMC. I guess no matter what day or time you arrive Manila is always a mess. I could visit another city and fly from there to angeles but using Cebu you would have to make careful plan because of delays and cancellations. Any advice welcome.
Greetings,
Frits..
Hello,
Soon I will book a long trip to South east Asia again. I have been to angeles city before and some things about it I still like. Two things I hate is lots of terrible food compared to even poorer countries like Laos and it is a hell of a ride to get from Manila to Angeles. Still loads of girls there so I think I could manage to find a few nice ones. Will probably fly to Manila from HCMC. I guess no matter what day or time you arrive Manila is always a mess. I could visit another city and fly from there to angeles but using Cebu you would have to make careful plan because of delays and cancellations. Any advice welcome.
Greetings,
Frits.I imagine your flight comes into Manila. CP only has 3 flights a week CEB to CRK. I don't know what terrible restaurants you go to for terrible food. There are many good restaurants with good food. You probably don't eat at the why.
Anyway to answer your question, traffic in Manila is better after 11 pm. Traffic is much better on Saturday and Sunday and especially after 10 pm. I believe traffic picks back up around 6 am or before.
My opinion only. I think the low customer counts has to do more with less tourist. Less tourist probably due to a few reasons like the bullet scam, airport nightmare delays and fear of the election results. Some said there would be riots if Dutere lost. Most of it could have been alieviated by quick action by then president Aquino. The other reason is I believe most of the world is in a recession or scared of one. Most people are watching their money especially ones on pensions and delaying gratification.
Blanquiceleste
07-23-16, 18:20
My opinion only. I think the low customer counts has to do more with less tourist. Less tourist probably due to a few reasons like the bullet scam, airport nightmare delays and fear of the election results. Some said there would be riots if Dutere lost. Most of it could have been alieviated by quick action by then president Aquino. The other reason is I believe most of the world is in a recession or scared of one. Most people are watching their money especially ones on pensions and delaying gratification.Add terror threats to that list. The world is an unsafe uncertain place.
Mr Enternational
07-24-16, 01:35
I was at Kokomos yesterday hanging out with some friends who live here. I had to go to SM to meet up with my wingman who had secured some chicks online and wanted me to come meet them. I asked my friend how much the trike was going to cost me. He said 100 pesos. I said man last time you told me 70 pesos and that is what the guy accepted.
I headed off and had to stop by the laundry to pick up my clothes. I went to the hotel to drop them in my room. While at the hotel, I went by the desk and asked the lady how much a trike would cost me to SM. She said 100 as well. I asked her why is it so much seeing that I only pay 80 pesos from Dau bus terminal to get to the hotel. She said because the trike drivers think everyone in this area is rich. I said so if you go out to get a trike they will tell you 100 as well? She said yes.
I didn't have the proper change so I asked her to change a 50 for me so I could have 70 pesos ready to hand the driver when I arrive at SM. I told her that I would try the 70 first and see what happens. I went outside and hopped in a trike headed to SM. Once we arrived there I handed the driver the prearranged 70 pesos as usual. He said thank you and I walked into the mall.
NapaSlapper
07-24-16, 02:03
There is no doubt that the world is an unsafe place and money can be tight for some, but with that said the pull of sweet pussy is irresistible.
Look at this forum, many guys reporting pussy trips to countries that are very unstable, dangerous, war zones.
Last night in lots of the Bangkok gogos it was standing room only and this from a country that has no government, military rule, has had airport closures, very recent bombings, terrorist attacks etc.
The same people who are feeling the pinch and travelling on a reasonable budget are still travelling for the pussy, they just are not choosing to visit Angeles city, there must be a reason for that.
IMHO, Angeles city will have more and more bar closures until it wakes up, smells the coffee and reverts back to what made it once popular, fucking sweet young pussy at reasonable cost with no games attached.
Fastpiston
07-24-16, 06:08
Add terror threats to that list. The world is an unsafe uncertain place.The traffic problems between AC and Manila have added to the problem as well. In addition, my opinion and likely others feel girl quality has dropped it terms of looks and attitudes. The ST / LT ratio has also increased significantly.
Add terror threats to that list. The world is an unsafe uncertain place.Brexit / Euro uncertainties, terrorist threats, economies world wide sluggish, and publicity about Duturte 'shoot to kill' policies. Doesn't help.
Add to that off season. Things start to pick up September. Nov to Feb it will be rocking again. Testosterone wins, every time.
Fastpiston
07-24-16, 06:20
I imagine your flight comes into Manila. CP only has 3 flights a week CEB to CRK. I don't know what terrible restaurants you go to for terrible food. There are many good restaurants with good food. You probably don't eat at the why.
Anyway to answer your question, traffic in Manila is better after 11 pm. Traffic is much better on Saturday and Sunday and especially after 10 pm. I believe traffic picks back up around 6 am or before.For myself, I have been to AC for many years and I would say there about 3 restaurants which have great good at good prices for ME. For ME the rest are 4/10 or worse. Of course, this all depends on what one considers 'good'. I have noticed that most visitors are very happy (not me) with fried food, pizzas, pasta, pancakes, french fries, burgers and ice cream. I have noticed some more imaginative restaurants just opened in SM mall, but the prices are high in most cases.
Fastpiston
07-24-16, 06:26
I was in AC last month and one morning the doorman was showing me a memo from the management to ask for guest ID's. No ID no entry. They had never asked for ID before. I asked him why the change in policy? He did not know why and said they did not have any problems with guests before.
Later in the day I saw that he refused entry to a girl on the arms of a regular hotel guest that I had seen there before. The slim girl was dressed quite provocative in a mini skirt and 3-4 inch heels. She had no purse and no ID. They had just got out of a trike. I assumed she was a FL.
That evening I had a girl come to my hotel and I went downstairs to greet her (pay for her trike). The evening doormen were reading the same memo about ID's being required. One whom I have been on a friendly basis told me the girl will need her ID now. As luck would have it, she did not bring her ID with her, the doorman paused for a while then said "oh this is your GF" and let her thru. Meanwhile on the side he told me she would have to have it next time.
As I had reported months ago the hotels in Cebu were requiring ID's. I don't know what is going on but it seems like all the hotels are falling in line with ID requirements.
The following week I was in a Cebu hotel that never required an ID, now it was required. As my 2 guests got out of the taxi the quard asked for their ID's, I held my breath as they looked thru their purse. They each produced an id to the guard and he took the ID's and placed them on his desk. Up to my room we went. Later on we decided to walk to Jollibees for lunch. The guard handed me the girls ID's as we exit. I couldn't help but to look at them and they were their high school ID, issued 4 years ago! Certainly expired now. I guess as long as the guard on cctv was handed an id he didn't care! These two girls were 20 yo.Throughout the Philippines I have noticed greater efforts being made to take control of crime and law and order with Dutierte now in place. Having hotels check IDs is great. In other countries IDs have to be left at reception and returned upon departure. How can this be a bad thing?
Fastpiston
07-24-16, 06:29
Condotel 950. They tell you when you check in that you need to leave the ID of your guests at the desk. When my girlfriend came over yesterday, she came straight to the room. (A key card is needed for the elevator. The guard on the first floor has one and your room key can be used as well.) The front desk called the room saying they needed her ID. (The desk is on the third floor of the place. You will not pass the desk if your room is on other floors, however they can see on the cameras when someone comes to your room on another floor.) I said sure. Send someone up to get it. My girlfriend was a bit confused too because last time she didn't leave her ID. She didn't know that last time I was breaking the rules and just didn't get caught.Do not assume cameras work in the Philippines. At NAIA, before Dutierte, cameras were not wotking and if they did, pointed in the wrong direction. Now you can be sure they work and are pointing in the correct direction!!
Mr Enternational
07-24-16, 09:05
Do not assume cameras work in the Philippines. At NAIA, before Dutierte, cameras were not wotking and if they did, pointed in the wrong direction. Now you can be sure they work and are pointing in the correct direction!!It would depend on your case. If it is something that can be used to your advantage then maybe you can assume the cameras do not work. If it is something that you are doing that you should not be doing, then it is best to assume cameras are trained on you. In the case I talked about, if you go to the hotel reception you can see the monitors that are displaying the cameras' images in real time.
Throughout the Philippines I have noticed greater efforts being made to take control of crime and law and order with Dutierte now in place. Having hotels check IDs is great. In other countries IDs have to be left at reception and returned upon departure. How can this be a bad thing?Oh, let us count the ways that this can be a bad thing. Let's assume she's a pfp gal. Someone now has her ID, can photo it, and cause some problems. It doesn't take too much imagination to see how this can be a problem for you too.
BrainDrain
07-24-16, 21:50
Oh, let us count the ways that this can be a bad thing. Let's assume she's a pfp gal. Someone now has her ID, can photo it, and cause some problems. It doesn't take too much imagination to see how this can be a problem for you too.On my last provincial trip upon checking out of the hotel I was given the phootcopies of the girls IDs. That was a nice souvenir but I disposed of them.
Does anyone know if it is common practice for a hotel to hold on to your passport during your hotel stay? I hadn't even noticed until checking out when they returned my passport. Check in was late and I was eager to hit the bars so didn't even realize. Had I realized I would of asked for my passport.
/ JR
Does anyone know if it is common practice for a hotel to hold on to your passport during your hotel stay? I hadn't even noticed until checking out when they returned my passport. Check in was late and I was eager to hit the bars so didn't even realize. Had I realized I would of asked for my passport.
/ JRSounds more like you forgot it there on check in and they held it in the file for you until you checked out. They never said to you that they would hold it. And you didn't notice your passport was missing until they handed it to you! It was probably good that they safely kept it for you.
Really no way to compare unless you say which hotel it is.
Personally I have never had a hotel request to hold my passport in Philippines.
WestCoast1
07-25-16, 06:20
Does anyone know if it is common practice for a hotel to hold on to your passport during your hotel stay? I hadn't even noticed until checking out when they returned my passport. Check in was late and I was eager to hit the bars so didn't even realize. Had I realized I would of asked for my passport.
/ JRJR: Maybe I misread your words. Did you mean to say that your hotel front desk held your passport, and you were unaware until checkout that they had it?
Yes, its true, some hotels will either keep your check-in ID, or they will make a photocopy of it. However when they keep the ID, they always ask if they can keep it. I never offer my passport anymore. I keep a copy of the main page as my ID while in-country in my pants pocket at all times. I hand that to the clerk and make sure she photocopies it and hands it back to me. The passport is something I show only to Immigration personnel. Even local WU offices have stopped insisting on the original passport (they are fine now with a photocopy) when sending / receiving.
Someone reported BS is closed. A friend of a friend says it's closed for renovation. That's unfortunate because I liked the old Rolling Stones theme. It was bad enough that they were mixing Korean pop with the classic old rock. Someone should go over there and see if they can rescue any of the memorabilia. I always got a chuckle seeing this M Jagger caricature.
BeachBoy46
07-26-16, 04:23
I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.
My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.
I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.
My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.It is worst than you think. P50 = US $1. 07. Also she may have to hit minimum drink sales or be penalized.
Mr Enternational
07-26-16, 04:43
Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.
My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?
Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?How much do they make? Probably not enough and the girls go work in the bars.
How much is the price of tea in China?
GoodEnough
07-26-16, 07:40
It is worst than you think. P50 = US $1. 07. Also she may have to hit minimum drink sales or be penalized.The exploitation of those at bottom by those at the top is hardly unique to bars or rice paddies; it's pervasive throuhout the country as exemplified by the whole concept of contract labor that Duterte is trying to abolish. It's prévalant in all industrial / service contexts here in which there's a surplus of untrained labor and this will persist until the macro economy here starts producing decent jobs. The potential labor force here grows at about 1,000,000 annually, and this is after retirees have been factored out. The economy doesn't produce even close to that quantity of good jobs.
GE.
Soapy Smith
07-26-16, 16:41
The exploitation of those at bottom by those at the top is hardly unique to bars or rice paddies; it's pervasive throuhout the country as exemplified by the whole concept of contract labor that Duterte is trying to abolish. It's prvalant in all industrial / service contexts here in which there's a surplus of untrained labor and this will persist until the macro economy here starts producing decent jobs. The potential labor force here grows at about 1,000,000 annually, and this is after retirees have been factored out. The economy doesn't produce even close to that quantity of good jobs. GE.Probably inappropriate for this thread, but. . .
I'd argue that contract labor and an untrained labor pool are symptoms of larger forces. In theory, when workers figure out their true value, they can organize to push for fair pay. Laugh here. In reality, Western and East Asian capital drives the system. If workers push for better wages, the cost of production--whether for Nike shoes, pineapples, or rice--goes up, and international owners close shop and move to another country where excess untrained laborers will work for lower wages. Nike executives rarely observe these frontline dynamics, but they can certainly calculate the bottom line. Philippine education systems and the country's profligate elites are easy targets for criticism, and they make us feel, by comparison, superior. Having personally spent plenty of ink here criticizing Filipinos and their "backward" systems, I think we visitors may want to consider the various ways we reinforce this world system of inequalities.
BeachBoy46
07-27-16, 02:46
Empathy for these what? How much do the the people who work in those hot ass wet rice paddies all day make in PI?My apologies, I left out "these young ladies". The environment is unhealthy, the job is unhealthy, the risks to long term health and longevity are enormous. If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.
Mr Enternational
07-27-16, 05:16
My apologies, I left out "these young ladies". The environment is unhealthy, the job is unhealthy, the risks to long term health and longevity are enormous. If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.It is all a matter of perspective. Some may see these chicks as getting to relax in air conditioner all night and sleep in the plushest hotels until noon, while being treated quite often to free drinks and free meals by hansum exotic men.
There are pros and cons to every job. And as you said, the girls do have an option. But which option is better is the onus of the decision maker. Evidently, at least for now, they see all the things that you find repulsive about their job better than being out there picking rice.
WestCoast1
07-27-16, 05:25
If working 9 hours for $1. 07 is required, the rice fields are a better option. As far as I am aware, HIV cannot be contracted from touching a Buffalo. BB.Opposing viewpoint (not mine). About 5 years ago I was in LAC and started chatting up a cutie. She was considerably more shy than most LAC girls. In the bar she confessed that it was only her second night in the bar, that she just arrived that week from the northern province, and was staying with a cousin. Once in the room after she showered and came out of the CR wearing a towel, I noticed her feet, going up the leg several inches above her ankles, were a different color than the rest of her leg. A more creamy whiter color. After the ditty, since she was LT for the evening, in chatting her I asked why her feet were that color. "Rice". She explained that she had recently run away from her family in the north. Her family appeared to live in some kind of indentured servitude to a farm-owner, many generations of rice growers. The families worked for generations for mostly room / boarding on the farm. "You stand in rice field all the day, you feet is like dis. I don't want dis my all life". She had contacted a cousin in Manila and made plans to escape the farm.
Working dance 9 hours indoors at night for p50 (with the option of a barfine for p1500) *might* be a considerably brighter future than working 10-11 hours in the sun for: 0 pesos.
In reality, Western and East Asian capital drives the system. If workers push for better wages, the cost of production--whether for Nike shoes, pineapples, or rice--goes up, and international owners close shop and move to another country where excess untrained laborers will work for lower wages. Nike executives rarely observe these frontline dynamics, but they can certainly calculate the bottom line. Philippine education systems and the country's profligate elites are easy targets for criticism, and they make us feel, by comparison, superior. Having personally spent plenty of ink here criticizing Filipinos and their "backward" systems, I think we visitors may want to consider the various ways we reinforce this world system of inequalities.I don't feel "superior" criticising crappy schools or venal local elites. Maybe you do, but that's on you. To be so certain of the feelings and motives of unknown others requires the ability to read minds. Are you mind reader?
Look at the numbers. How many people are making Nike products (in factories not owned by Nike) around the world? Ever heard of Stella Shoe Co? Smartgain Enterprises Corporation? Beautop, Inc? And how many more local people are employed by local business? (BTW, contractors for Nike employ 58 workers in the Philippines. Fifty eight.) Locals exploiting locals under the nose the government; this is the real problem. But Nike needs to run around and sort out all these contractors and fix the government, too. This doesn't change anything for companies not supplying Nike or other western companies.
This finger pointing by western activists ignores the big problem to focus on the smaller problem because it's easier for them to shame and to extort money and pledges from a western company. "Stella Shoe Co. What's that? Nike. Oh, I know that one." Let's have the westerners come sort our problems. Evangelical missionaries used to do the same. That went well, didn't it? Outsiders bringing unwanted "solutions" or those that miss the target. My favorite one is the indoor toilets built for Indians who refuse to use them. And the donated second-hand clothes sent to west Africa that end up destroying local clothing businesses. Local people need to sort their own problems. They best know the problems, and by fixing them the solutions are theirs.
Under pressure from outsiders, governments and companies make some concessions to placate, but these are merely superficial and are often soon disregarded. The system is rigged. The real source of inequality, such as land and judicial reform isn't addressed. The culture barely changes. It seems this takes genuine uprising and blood to be spilt. And if they're lucky they don't get Pol Pot. Band-aid solutions may make westerners feel better that they're "doing something", but it delays and may even impede genuine reform.
Further, I think blaming Nike and others ignores the culpability of the individual consumer and his / her choices. "It's not my fault, it's Nike's" says the fella wearing Air Jordans. I tend to buy items made in western countries, and this includes footwear and clothes. It's more expensive, especially when import tax is levied, but I prefer to support these companies. I'm far from perfect, of course, but I prefer to look at my own actions rather than to ignore it whilst looking for others to take the heat.
/end rant. wrong section. apologies.
Member #4794
07-27-16, 13:52
I have a "friend" in Angeles who dances in a GoGo. She was recently taken ill and given a Medical Certificate for 4 days. Upon returning to work she received P150 for 3 nights work. Yes P50 for9 hours of breathing in cigarette smoke etc. It seems these young ladies must work 5 or 6 days to receive the full rate of P180 per night. Anything less P50, notwithstanding the Medical Certificate. Yes P50 equates to USD $2. 20 or AUD $1. 70. If you want any more go fuck someone.
My empathy for these continues to grow daily BB.This asinine train of thought comes from a place of self loathing and / or guilt for seemingly participating in the exploitation of these women. Some of these girls are honestly being exploited and those eventually stop working in a bar and get a waitress job or something much more pedestrian such as Internet cafe attendant you will come to understand this in time. The ones who stay in this for the long haul have a scam they ask for your number and dig their hooks into the mark feeding off your aforementioned empathy. They bank on you being and feeling human and they create that empathy not out of your own wizened greatness that is your conscience, think. That conscience doesn't rear its ugly head when your balls deep in these women now does it? That empathy is "game" not all of them are adept enough to do this, I'm not talking absolutes but to think that some of these women are not running game is ridiculous. The women accept the low salaries because they have a plethora of empathetic fish asking to be taken advantage of. The reality is if they were paid a wage high enough they wouldn't bar fine hence no incentive for men to frequent these bars. You'll see this in Cambodia and Thailand some girls are shills, if you don't know what a shill is its someone who hypes up the scam and / or game or sometimes known as a bait and switch. They take home a salary and drinks and don't bar fine these "do" exist. Of course we have no sympathy for the idiot who sends his money to these skilled fleecers because of his now extremely empathetic mindset but this is also exploitation by definition. It may be harder to empathizes with someone who we don't consider pitiful but that's how these guys fall into this trap. This is a stage in mongering either you move past this or your mongering days are over, because you can't believe that you sent that money to this women who for some reason continued to hook even after the farcical incentive is gone. This is not as mind boogieing as it seems and this would suggest that these women know exactly what they are doing which is incomprehensible to men this this guy who pasted who have some kind of complex in that they think they know something these women don't.
Ill give you a good example, I met a girl in Myanmar which has a burgeoning sex industry I want to high like this because it is an example of how these bars become a place where the women flock and why they are attractive to the women, her name is nay-nay and she has a friend names tu-tu. So tu-tu is quite famous and has stared in many monger videos on youtube. She has at least that I know of 3-4 men who send her money monthly. She also doesn't not bar fine at the bar any more and continues to dance and look for new marks but now lives off the monthly passive income. Nay-nay wasn't sad about her having to fuck and suck on these beasts they pick up from the bars. Her source of her malcontent was deeper int that she was not able to fleece these men as well as tu-tu.
Master Monger
07-29-16, 21:55
I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.
Mr Enternational
07-30-16, 00:53
I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.Not everyone buys drinks with intentions to barfine. Some people like to go in and party with the girls, or have them sit there and play with their dick, or rub all over the chicks in return for the drink. If you were intent on barfining, maybe ask the girl before buying a drink. That is how I did it in Cambodia after reading that chicks at a lot of bars will not leave out with you. They would even try to be slick and say buy drinks first then we talk about it. No. You tell me if you will leave with me then I decide to buy drinks.
I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.It is called "Buyer Beware". If I am out bar hopping, looking for a date, I always ask upfront if she goes out. I have sent many girls back to the stage when they said, sorry sir, I don't go out. I agree with you 100%. If I girl is on stage accepting drinks, she should be available for take out.
ConquerorVal
07-30-16, 01:17
I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Seeing you operate MM, I am surprised the girls are not buying you the drinks. I trust you will start doing a lot more free lance hunting.
me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners.Its such small money. How can you begrudge yourself (master monger!) the entertainment value? Buy her a double tequila. After she turns you down, get her a second one.
I am done with buying drinks in any bar of any kind in Angeles. Had a girl named Marjorie at Roadies bar turn me down for a barfine. Then had a girl named Edwina at Crystal Palace turn me down for a barfine. My solution is I am done spending money at the bar. If they don't like it they can ask me to leave! You should do to same and explain to the bar owners that if the girl accepts a drink she should be willing to be barfined. Huge waste of time.If the dancer could only accept drinks if she was barfinable (to the drink buyer) than there would be a lot less dancers in the bars. It's not rocket science to ask the lady before buying if she will leave the bar w / you. You have a couple of minutes before you have to order drinks so that's when you apply your charm and ask her the cold question. Can I barfine you?
The only problem w / this is you haven't established any chemistry so it's a cold hard question.
If your mo includes a few LDs per night than you will have more time to create a fun vibe and then ask her when she's warmed up and knows you a little. If she says no than go to another bar and do it all over again. Sometimes I will blurt it out early but most times I get a good vibe from the dancer and just buy her a drink. These ladies for the most part make their living selling drinks in the bar and they work pretty hard on stage. My budget includes a few bucks for LDs w / out conditions. I also try and get my hands on them ASAP in exchange for the LD, get my money's worth. A win win!
Like Mr E mentioned many guys buy LDs and only want to joke around while feeling up their temporary companions.
There are bars that cater to the older guys where the dancers never bar fine, just sit there for hours sipping drinks w / these older mongers. These dancers can be pretty nice looking. I know because on my last trip I screwed up a chance to barfine a nice looker who never BFs, she just sits w / the older guys keeping them company.
No, I hate getting rejected and I get rejected plenty. No, it's got to be a free system where customers can buy drinks and the dancers can say yes or no, otherwise it's slavery.
I could never go to AC (or anywhere else for that matter) and not enjoy the bars w / their sexy women dancing just for me.
Fastpiston
07-30-16, 21:55
This asinine train of thought comes from a place of self loathing and / or guilt for seemingly participating in the exploitation of these women. Some of these girls are honestly being exploited and those eventually stop working in a bar and get a waitress job or something much more pedestrian such as Internet cafe attendant you will come to understand this in time. The ones who stay in this for the long haul have a scam they ask for your number and dig their hooks into the mark feeding off your aforementioned empathy. They bank on you being and feeling human and they create that empathy not out of your own wizened greatness that is your conscience, think. That conscience doesn't rear its ugly head when your balls deep in these women now does it? That empathy is "game" not all of them are adept enough to do this, I'm not talking absolutes but to think that some of these women are not running game is ridiculous. The women accept the low salaries because they have a plethora of empathetic fish asking to be taken advantage of. The reality is if they were paid a wage high enough they wouldn't bar fine hence no incentive for men to frequent these bars. You'll see this in Cambodia and Thailand some girls are shills, if you don't know what a shill is its someone who hypes up the scam and / or game or sometimes known as a bait and switch. They take home a salary and drinks and don't bar fine these "do" exist. Of course we have no sympathy for the idiot who sends his money to these skilled fleecers because of his now extremely empathetic mindset but this is also exploitation by definition. It may be harder to empathizes with someone who we don't consider pitiful but that's how these guys fall into this trap. This is a stage in mongering either you move past this or your mongering days are over, because you can't believe that you sent that money to this women who for some reason continued to hook even after the farcical incentive is gone. This is not as mind boogieing as it seems and this would suggest that these women know exactly what they are doing which is incomprehensible to men this this guy who pasted who have some kind of complex in that they think they know something these women don't.
Ill give you a good example, I met a girl in Myanmar which has a burgeoning sex industry I want to high like this because it is an example of how these bars become a place where the women flock and why they are attractive to the women, her name is nay-nay and she has a friend names tu-tu. So tu-tu is quite famous and has stared in many monger videos on youtube. She has at least that I know of 3-4 men who send her money monthly. She also doesn't not bar fine at the bar any more and continues to dance and look for new marks but now lives off the monthly passive income. Nay-nay wasn't sad about her having to fuck and suck on these beasts they pick up from the bars. Her source of her malcontent was deeper int that she was not able to fleece these men as well as tu-tu.A great posting. It is true to also say, that in spite of knowing they are being scammed, some foreigners even marry bar girls in the Philippines. They are then entrapped with the legal system almost totally weighted against them.
I sometimes review this thread out of curiosity, having been stationed in the Philippines (The PI) in the Navy and having visited occasionally since then.
I notice that posters spend quite a lot of time "analyzing" the "hooker environment" in the PI as opposed to reporting on the two reasons we go there. Beer and pussy.
Perhaps it is due to the major difference between "then" and "now".
Back in the day when the military lived and deployed there the "customers" were mostly twenty something guys out for a good time who were roughly the same age as the hookers. It was a status symbol for a girl to have a "steady" American boyfriend and a winning lottery ticket to get married. Some guys were stationed there and would move the girl into base housing which was a palace compared to the shacks in town.
Today we have twenty something girls "tolerating" middle aged men. It is no wonder they find it hard to be enthusiastic. However, there are still guys that go there expecting some kind of "romance", rather than the two staples of the town "beer and pussy".
My advice is that if you are looking for romance, stay home and find it there. Don't waste your money expecting a twenty year old village girl with a 6th grade education to get excited at the idea of a long term relationship. If you want to know what turns the girls on, watch a few of those lame Filipino romances on tv.
Incidentally, if you want to know where you really stand "culturally", go to a nightclub in Manila frequented by women with money. Unless you have "game" and money to spend you will be warming the bar stool and going home alone.
Just my 2 pesos worth.
SNIP
Incidentally, if you want to know where you really stand "culturally", go to a nightclub in Manila frequented by women with money. Unless you have "game" and money to spend you will be warming the bar stool and going home alone. Excellent post Mahaba.
I especially like your comment that I have highlighted and reproduced above.
I would add to your essential attributes of "game" and "money" the necessity to be in the same age generation as the up-market girls.
These educated and well-off women are not interested in older guys (by 20 plus years) unless you are obviously very sophisticated and well-heeled. Then they might indulge in your company for some part of the evening, but probably not the latter part.
PolyOrchid
07-31-16, 06:44
This asinine train of thought comes from a place of self loathing and / or guilt for seemingly participating in the exploitation of these women. A sociologist can have a heyday with the dance between exploiter and exploited that plays out in a thousand seedy bars throughout the Phils. And many other places in the world. The truth is everyone is out for something. Like these girls, most of us played (or still play) the money-making game. But if we now have a bit of dosh, we spend it on those things which bring us pleasure, pussy being damn high on the list for many of us.
I personally feel no guilt for trading my green for her pink, as long as neither of us unfairly uses the other. This ideal isn't always the case. For every cheap charlie, pot-bellied, nicotine-stinking, 60+ year-old man who tries to chisel down the prices of a beautiful 19-year-old Pinay, you have girls like the Myannmar girl Montana Monger cites who Hoovers the bucks out of mongers from Stockholm to San Francisco.
God love them all. We have our day in the market and then we move off stage. As an 'exploiter', I always try to remember this beautiful young thing is giving me something I would never get in my country. Why would I not be as generous with her as possible? The truth is, she has the same hopes, desires, and aspirations as I have.
Whatever I can do to help her reach her dreams makes me as happy as her spreading her legs and inviting me inside does.
Fastpiston
07-31-16, 07:52
A sociologist can have a heyday with the dance between exploiter and exploited that plays out in a thousand seedy bars throughout the Phils. And many other places in the world. The truth is everyone is out for something. Like these girls, most of us played (or still play) the money-making game. But if we now have a bit of dosh, we spend it on those things which bring us pleasure, pussy being damn high on the list for many of us.
I personally feel no guilt for trading my green for her pink, as long as neither of us unfairly uses the other. This ideal isn't always the case. For every cheap charlie, pot-bellied, nicotine-stinking, 60+ year-old man who tries to chisel down the prices of a beautiful 19-year-old Pinay, you have girls like the Myannmar girl Montana Monger cites who Hoovers the bucks out of mongers from Stockholm to San Francisco.
God love them all. We have our day in the market and then we move off stage. As an 'exploiter', I always try to remember this beautiful young thing is giving me something I would never get in my country. Why would I not be as generous with her as possible? The truth is, she has the same hopes, desires, and aspirations as I have.
Whatever I can do to help her reach her dreams makes me as happy as her spreading her legs and inviting me inside does.I agree with virtually all you said. My only comment is that being "as generous as possible" may not be the right approach. Better to stay within market prices rather than going overboard. Being over generous changes expectations, distorts the market & will inevitably increase prices. In all markets, the seller will always try and charge what the buyer is willing to bear. If the buyer goes overboard, the seller will too!
These educated and well-off women are not interested in older guys (by 20 plus years) unless you are obviously very sophisticated and well-heeled. Then they might indulge in your company for some part of the evening, but probably not the latter part.
Today we have twenty something girls "tolerating" middle aged men. It is no wonder they find it hard to be enthusiastic. However, there are still guys that go there expecting some kind of "romance", rather than the two staples of the town "beer and pussy".
My advice is that if you are looking for romance, stay home and find it there. Don't waste your money expecting a twenty year old village girl with a 6th grade education to get excited at the idea of a long term relationship. If you want to know what turns the girls on, watch a few of those lame Filipino romances on tv.
Incidentally, if you want to know where you really stand "culturally", go to a nightclub in Manila frequented by women with money. Unless you have "game" and money to spend you will be warming the bar stool and going home alone. So what's the difference? In the end it's all about money. The village girl with a 6th grade education ánd the educated and well-off woman in Manila will both 'tolerate' a middle aged man as long as he is wealthy (compared to her).
And romance has nothing to do with it.
So what's the difference? In the end it's all about money. The village girl with a 6th grade education nd the educated and well-off woman in Manila will both 'tolerate' a middle aged man as long as he is wealthy (compared to her).
And romance has nothing to do with it.Well off families send their kids to the wealthy private schools in the hope of becoming part of the "network" and in order to meet potential partners who are well-connected pinoys.
Girls from these well-off families wouldn't be seen dead with a foreigner (unless he is famous and rich, such as an international sports star, film star or an entertainer AND is close to her age).
To that extent, money is important, but the culture decrees that pinoys are first in line when we are dealing with the A class and probably most of the B class (see http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/sec-abcde-percentage-population/ for a description of the ABCDE classes in the Philippines).
The A and B classes, in general, look down their noses at young or even middle-aged women being seen in public with foreigners in any "dating" sense.
I suppose someone can come up with an exception here or there, but you don't have to live and work here for very long to realize that the "class system" operating in the Philippines is very important.
It has been stated here on numerous occasions that a majority of women in the Philippines have no contact with foreigners nor do they yearn for it.
The girls that hang around "pick-up places" such as bars and discos or troll through dating sites are not representative of the 50 million females in the greater Philippines nor the A and B class.
Most of these women have all been through some form of "failed" relationship already at the hands of a pinoy and are seeking some "prince to rescue them.
NapaSlapper
07-31-16, 11:16
Well off families send their kids to the wealthy private schools in the hope of becoming part of the "network" and in order to meet potential partners who are well-connected pinoys.
Girls from these well-off families wouldn't be seen dead with a foreigner (unless he is famous and rich, such as an international sports star, film star or an entertainer AND is close to her age).
To that extent, money is important, but the culture decrees that pinoys are first in line when we are dealing with the A class and probably most of the B class (see http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/sec-abcde-percentage-population/ for a description of the ABCDE classes in the Philippines).
The A and B classes, in general, look down their noses at young or even middle-aged women being seen in public with foreigners in any "dating" sense..Have to agree with all you say 100% Red kilt, well said and a wake up call to the guys that think their money can buy them love, respect or loyalty.
SNIP My only comment is that being "as generous as possible" may not be the right approach. Better to stay within market prices rather than going overboard. Being over generous changes expectations, distorts the market & will inevitably increase prices. In all markets, the seller will always try and charge what the buyer is willing to bear. If the buyer goes overboard, the seller will too!First of all, some interesting comments as of late. ISG Philippines is almost as addictive as Philippine vag. (I typed three slang words which were all spell corrected, so I go with bag.) Which is now spelled bag. I give up!
I'm not going to disagree with FP that being generous may raise expectations and prices. Just go to LA Cafe (alias MBC) and ask some fugly how much.
Nevertheless, M Monger (several posts earlier) has alluded to some other economic effects. If there are high profits in some market, more sellers (or cousins) join the fray. Good competition lowers prices.
I do try to pay average market prices, but factor in that I'm a fat, ugly, old midget who was refused a pt job at Hobbit House. So I pay a bit more.
Then, we have the Internet. Guys are paying money to see some gal get her gear off. Those are the guys probably distorting the market. But the we have DIA and so many other options to meet the woman of our dreams.
Mr Enternational
07-31-16, 11:48
Nevertheless, M Monger (several posts earlier) has alluded to some other economic effects. If there are high profits in some market, more sellers (or cousins) join the fray. Good competition lowers prices.Or collusion raises prices. And in this hobby of ours, there are no laws protecting the consumer of it. This is not exactly a legal first world free market.
Girls from these well-off families wouldn't be seen dead with a foreigner (unless he is famous and rich, such as an international sports star, film star or an entertainer AND is close to her age).
The key word here is "seen", and how is "well-off" defined? Super rich or merely upper middle-class? Because of how close-knit these gossipy circles are, the girls who want to have fun have to be shrewd. If she does fubus with male social peers soon enough everyone else knows and the girl (and by extension her family) is shamed. She also has to take care discussing these things with her female friends. Again, spillage. A Pinay's biggest fear is being caught and judged, but being modern and educated she recognises the hypocrisy. I use this to my advantage. I don't hobnob with the elite, but I do bang many upper middle-class women aged 26 and older. Discreetly. We're not running around dining and partying in the places where her peers are. They have no desire to be seen (in public) with me, and this suits me just fine. It's home-based entertainment.
Everything else in Red's comment seems accurate to me.
Member #4794
07-31-16, 16:05
First of all, some interesting comments as of late. ISG Philippines is almost as addictive as Philippine vag. (I typed three slang words which were all spell corrected, so I go with bag.) Which is now spelled bag. I give up!
I'm not going to disagree with FP that being generous may raise expectations and prices. Just go to LA Cafe (alias MBC) and ask some fugly how much.
Nevertheless, M Monger (several posts earlier) has alluded to some other economic effects. If there are high profits in some market, more sellers (or cousins) join the fray. Good competition lowers prices.
I do try to pay average market prices, but factor in that I'm a fat, ugly, old midget who was refused a pt job at Hobbit House. So I pay a bit more.
Then, we have the Internet. Guys are paying money to see some gal get her gear off. Those are the guys probably distorting the market. But the we have DIA and so many other options to meet the woman of our dreams.I love that you have the ability to laugh at yourself and I think that gives you some perspective. I have to admit I probably don't have that realistic view of myself when I walk into a bar because of the "bola" that is thrown at e to boost my ego. I think the trend has been that a lot of these gentlemen are millennials and its common to whine about everything. I wouldn't be surprised to see vegan and organic selections at margarita station and Kokomo sometime in the near future. I have to admit its sad that the millennials are so petty and self loathing. They lack the ability to be objective and empathetic they mistake empathy for enlightenment and try to give out / receive participation ribbons when they actually learn something. They get defensive over someone else's point of view and usually tell them it stop sharing their own point of view (as ridiculous as that sounds this board has many members who tell others to stop posting which in my opinion is the opposite if what they should be doing). They try their damnedest to turn every interaction into a socialist one.
Honestly millennials are who I am personally running from (especially first world millennial women), I love developing countries because the extreme pretentiousness is not yet reared its ugly head. The only time I run into millennial bullshit is they will occasionally try to prosecute themselves and in turn us here on the boards or occasionally at bars being the same bitchy assholes. They don't like themselves to begin with so it is not hard to understand that these women would get fed up pretty fucking quick.
The solution is pretty easy these men need to just take responsibility for themselves and their own fate and impose their own will but the sad fact of the matter here is that they are inept. They are nurtured and unable to make decisions or take responsibility so they try to get others to take up the flag or suppress others who have some kind of point of view. I honestly pity them because these places like AC are such gems if they could only take control which is thee for the taking (instead of bitching) they would thrive like mongers in the past have in these same locations.
Soapy Smith
07-31-16, 19:16
I don't hobnob with the elite, but I do bang many upper middle-class women aged 26 and older. Discreetly. We're not running around dining and partying in the places where her peers are. They have no desire to be seen (in public) with me, and this suits me just fine. It's home-based entertainment.But if you necessarily avoid their social circles, how can you confirm that a particular woman is, in fact, upper middle-class, other than from what she chooses to tell you or show you? Since Pinays are not particularly good at keeping secrets, isn't there some risk that this affair she is having with a contraband Brit burns a hole in her tongue until she spits it out to some girlfriend?
Mr Enternational
08-01-16, 06:08
But if you necessarily avoid their social circles, how can you confirm that a particular woman is, in fact, upper middle-class, other than from what she chooses to tell you or show you? Serious man. Some of you guys act like it is your first time on earth. Language, conversation, manners, diet, teeth, clothing, accesories, setting and other people of their photos.
Master Monger
08-01-16, 09:38
Hey guys,
I said buying drinks is a huge waste of time, I don't really care about the $7 a drink. Although $7 a drink and $70 a barfine in a country with an average monthly income of "$100" is bonkers! Do that same math in China and a girl will cost you $500. In America it would cost about $2,500. Do you see how silly these prices are in comparison to the location? It is value not price that is the real problem.
When the higher price is paid service will go down too because they only need 3 customers a month to live a normal life. The biggest problem for me when I get bad service is not the service. I can make her assume the dog style position and get my rocks off on any lazy or loose pussy. The problem is when the girl doesn't want to stay, or wants to rush, or sucks her teeth my ego gets beat up and no matter what happens next I feel bad even if I cum.
Some guys said higher price will improve quality. I say BS! Quality has went down dramatically in the Philippines, the families now use the ugly daughters to fleece dumb foreigners for their money and use the beautiful daughters for marrying higher class Filipino guys.
I doubt I will ever come back to AC. It is just not worth it anymore. I will leave all the broken and ugly ones so all of you can have them.
The last Scorebirds bikini contest only had 3 hot girls out of 20, number 2, number 10, and number 16. I already slept with all three on my last trip 4 months ago. Time to move on.
Please "big spenders" stop ruining the P4P markets all over the world. Do a little research and don't be a foolish jerk and overpay!
Master Monger. Disgusted and Distraught (First China, then Thailand, and now The Philippines. RIP).
NapaSlapper
08-01-16, 10:39
Serious man. Some of you guys act like it is your first time on earth. Language, conversation, manners, diet, teeth, clothing, accesories, setting and other people of their photos.Mr E,
Not as easy as that my friend.
One of the longest serving prostitutes of crystal palace bar who grew up in a children's home was taken off the scene, married and lives in London with a very good friend of mine, has been there about a year.
On a recent visit I almost never recognized her, business suit, beautifully made up, latest hair style, manicured nails, expensive shoes, handbag etc, she looked and acted a million dollars.
Out to dinner at Langans (very expensive London restaurant) she was ordering vintage wine like she was a wine professional, knew exactly what was what on the menu, knew more about London and current affairs there than even me.
Spend a little money, introduce to the finer things in life and that orphan who fucked her way through 1000's of guys in angeles looked and acted every bit the high society girl.
Never judge a book by its cover comes to mind.
WestCoast1
08-01-16, 14:08
Please "big spenders" stop ruining the P4P markets all over the world. Do a little research and don't be a foolish jerk and overpay!You can't stop this, for several reasons:
1. Most mongers just don't read boards like this one.
2. Most don't care or even understand if they are spoiling the market. They apply this principle (and there's nothing wrong with this principle): "The pussy here costs 1/4 what I usually pay in my country. OMG what a great value!" Not really, that is self-gratifying psychology of the uninformed; if the girl you paid 1/4 of your country's normal cost last night, would have gladly gone for 1/10 your normal cost, then you just overpaid her by a factor of 2. 5. This happens all the time, with many different products. How many times have I overpaid for other products in phils? Many. We overpay for the sake of convenience or to protect our ego. Ever see a guy get fleeced at a car dealership, and he's happy as hell, thinking he got a good deal (either uninformed about current car prices, or for convenience)? Or alternately, he just can't admit he got fleeced?
There are too many weekend warriors who drink and just want to get laid by a hottie *right now*. He doesn't care if he's overpaying. You might do the same thing for a stick of gum. Hence, the price of the girls increases disproportionally to the price of a McDo hamburger over time.
Mr Enternational
08-01-16, 14:22
Mr E,
Not as easy as that my friend.
One of the longest serving prostitutes of crystal palace bar who grew up in a children's home was taken off the scene, married and lives in London with a very good friend of mine, has been there about a year.But that is an extreme case. An outlier. 99.9% of people can not pull off a Frank Abagnale, Jr.
Kings Landing reopened last week as Again Lancelot. It's either Korean owned or new Korean partner. Somehow, it looks smaller inside. The center stage and seating as well as the seating on the right wall, (as you enter,) are gone. The stage is now up against that right wall. In the center are small individual couches and ottomans. There is NOT enough seating. Worse yet, the music is BOOMING! Yeah, it's a Korean Bar now. We were in and out. I'm not sure how this can succeed.
I can make her assume the dog style position and get my rocks off...The problem is when the girl doesn't want to stay, or wants to rush, or sucks her teeth my ego gets beat up and no matter what happens next I feel bad even if I cum.
Disgusted and Distraught (First China, then Thailand, and now The Philippines. RIP).You make her assume a position? Then, the problem is your ego gets no satisfaction. And wherever you go, afterwards the memory of the place is shit. Too bad for you. You only got what you played for.
But if you necessarily avoid their social circles, how can you confirm that a particular woman is, in fact, upper middle-class, other than from what she chooses to tell you or show you? Since Pinays are not particularly good at keeping secrets, isn't there some risk that this affair she is having with a contraband Brit burns a hole in her tongue until she spits it out to some girlfriend?SS, If you have been here any length of time its almost impossible to NOT know these women. Yeah gossip is a problem but its far more likely to come from your door man, taxi driver, security guard etc. (Tip well, it helps a lot) Obviously some discretion is wise & sometimes its safer to turn down an offer than lose a big client etc. Better educated (upper class women) are smart enough to keep their mouths shut & choose wisely. Until you move in these circles you won't understand the difference.
AV.
GoodEnough
08-02-16, 03:14
SS, If you have been here any length of time its almost impossible to NOT know these women. Yeah gossip is a problem but its far more likely to come from your door man, taxi driver, security guard etc. (Tip well, it helps a lot) Obviously some discretion is wise & sometimes its safer to turn down an offer than lose a big client etc. Better educated (upper class women) are smart enough to keep their mouths shut & choose wisely. Until you move in these circles you won't understand the difference.
AV.Right you are AV. With no disrespect intended, I assume that most of the guys visiting here are 2-3 week warriors who just want to get laid as much as possible. Given that this objective is most easily achieved by visiting well known P4 P hangouts or utilizing the services of women advertising on social media, most visitors lack the opportunity to access the "non-monger" circles of Filipino society, let alone the more exclusive circles thereof. Nothing wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that most visitors have neither the time nor the inclination to pursue a different sort of woman.
GE.
You can't stop this, for several reasons:
1. Most mongers just don't read boards like this one.
2. Most don't care or even understand if they are spoiling the market. They apply this principle (and there's nothing wrong with this principle): "The pussy here costs 1/4 what I usually pay in my country. OMG what a great value!" Not really, that is self-gratifying psychology of the uninformed; if the girl you paid 1/4 of your country's normal cost last night, would have gladly gone for 1/10 your normal cost, then you just overpaid her by a factor of 2. 5. This happens all the time, with many different products. How many times have I overpaid for other products in phils? Many. We overpay for the sake of convenience or to protect our ego. Ever see a guy get fleeced at a car dealership, and he's happy as hell, thinking he got a good deal (either uninformed about current car prices, or for convenience)? Or alternately, he just can't admit he got fleeced?
There are too many weekend warriors who drink and just want to get laid by a hottie *right now*. He doesn't care if he's overpaying. You might do the same thing for a stick of gum. Hence, the price of the girls increases disproportionally to the price of a McDo hamburger over time.Indeed Westy, its the same all over the world with commercial sex. You appraise yourself of the going rates & you decide to partake or you do not. Simple. Hang wringing & crying into ones beer about whether somebody else paid / more less is pointless. We often hear about the {Insert Asian nationality of the week} driving up the prices but rarely do we hear about all the young gwapo fit as boxer AFP guys that the girls are thrilled to be in bed with or the lezzy girlfriends they have who get it walang bayad. No point wasting our lives worrying right? Meanwhile life outside the bars is very fine indeed.
AV.
Right you are AV. With no disrespect intended, I assume that most of the guys visiting here are 2-3 week warriors who just want to get laid as much as possible. Given that this objective is most easily achieved by visiting well known P4 P hangouts or utilizing the services of women advertising on social media, most visitors lack the opportunity to access the "non-monger" circles of Filipino society, let alone the more exclusive circles thereof. Nothing wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that most visitors have neither the time nor the inclination to pursue a different sort of woman.
GE.Yes I understand, you're correct GE. I'm trying to stir up a new thread over in the dating sites section to update new folks on the best sites for pre contact these days. I have a lot of very fond memories of lovely girls from CB (Cherry Blossoms). Evey now and then an FAQ is needed to be posted to get new people up to speed.
Kings Landing reopened last week as Again Lancelot. It's either Korean owned or new Korean partner. Somehow, it looks smaller inside. The center stage and seating as well as the seating on the right wall, (as you enter,) are gone. The stage is now up against that right wall. In the center are small individual couches and ottomans. There is NOT enough seating. Worse yet, the music is BOOMING! Yeah, it's a Korean Bar now. We were in and out. I'm not sure how this can succeed.It has changed format to cater to ROK customers. Big spenders on food / alcohol / cigarettes / ping pong balls etc in bar. From the girls point of view this is A Good Thing (TM). Plenty of other bars to suit different tastes.
AV.
Hey guys,
I said buying drinks is a huge waste of time, I don't really care about the $7 a drink. Although $7 a drink and $70 a barfine in a country with an average monthly income of "$100" is bonkers! Do that same math in China and a girl will cost you $500. In America it would cost about $2,500. Do you see how silly these prices are in comparison to the location? It is value not price that is the real problem.
When the higher price is paid service will go down too because they only need 3 customers a month to live a normal life. The biggest problem for me when I get bad service is not the service. I can make her assume the dog style position and get my rocks off on any lazy or loose pussy. The problem is when the girl doesn't want to stay, or wants to rush, or sucks her teeth my ego gets beat up and no matter what happens next I feel bad even if I cum.
Some guys said higher price will improve quality. I say BS! Quality has went down dramatically in the Philippines, the families now use the ugly daughters to fleece dumb foreigners for their money and use the beautiful daughters for marrying higher class Filipino guys.
I doubt I will ever come back to AC. It is just not worth it anymore. I will leave all the broken and ugly ones so all of you can have them.
The last Scorebirds bikini contest only had 3 hot girls out of 20, number 2, number 10, and number 16. I already slept with all three on my last trip 4 months ago. Time to move on.
Please "big spenders" stop ruining the P4P markets all over the world. Do a little research and don't be a foolish jerk and overpay!
Master Monger. Disgusted and Distraught (First China, then Thailand, and now The Philippines. RIP).I like most do not really care about your rants or views. I am sure most do not care about my views either, therefore I will keep it short.
GoodEnough
08-02-16, 08:37
Yes I understand, you're correct GE. I'm trying to stir up a new thread over in the dating sites section to update new folks on the best sites for pre contact these days. I have a lot of very fond memories of lovely girls from CB (Cherry Blossoms). Evey now and then an FAQ is needed to be posted to get new people up to speed.A good idea. Why not start the thread? I have a friend whose alternative approach may also appeal to some, though his approach requires fairly frequent visits. He's big on threesomes, so much of the time, he will ask a girl with whom he's been before to bring a friend whose picture he has vetted. Once he's met the friend, he gets her number, invites her back but requests that she too bring a friend. He's been at this for a few years and he's now got so many names on his growing list that his greatest difficulty is deciding which girls he wants to see. By this time, all girls on the list are students who don't mind picking up extra money.
GE.
Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?
I promise I'll post a report if things play out right.
Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?
I promise I'll post a report if things play out right.These things can be arranged ad hoc but you're on a short time schedule right? If you have any experience of this you know that money talks right? Pina's tend to be shy of lezzy stuff but can be found.
The biggest clubs are more difficult to get this but it varies depending if its rainy season (less customers) or how recently the last raid occurred (no prostitution here, no sir!) Medium or smaller clubs can be better in my past experience. Smooge up to the mamasan (drinks, bullshit etc) and let her know what you need. Agree on a price. She will arrange home delivery or you can make a big splash with a giant limo out front to pick up your new best friends. I'd be eye balling & interviewing the girls myself to make sure they know what's expected & you know what you're buying. Bring plenty of money. 10 years ago you could pick up a tag team in the disco's or just ask a bar girl to 'bring a friend' but its much more commercial now. 10 years ago fresh off the farm girls would routinely bareback but its latex all the way these days. Have a lot of fun you deviate! I certainly do.
Quick question : were you envisaging an orgy style experience? In which case a 'private party' can be easily arranged with some of the bigger new hotels/clubs for a fee.. ahem.
AV.
A good idea. Why not start the thread? I have a friend whose alternative approach may also appeal to some, though his approach requires fairly frequent visits. He's big on threesomes, so much of the time, he will ask a girl with whom he's been before to bring a friend whose picture he has vetted. Once he's met the friend, he gets her number, invites her back but requests that she too bring a friend. He's been at this for a few years and he's now got so many names on his growing list that his greatest difficulty is deciding which girls he wants to see. By this time, all girls on the list are students who don't mind picking up extra money.
GE.Students. Gold mine for those visiting a couple of times a year or more (or living here). Have'nt ruined their bodies with jolli-bee (yet), sexually adventurous, understand hygiene & dress better than squatter girls, have a constant need for money to fund shoes / dresses / nail polish / cell phones & of course education costs, know lots of other like minded girls in the same position. Malaysia has a thriving student scene. But I digress.
AV.
BrainDrain
08-03-16, 10:21
Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?
I promise I'll post a report if things play out right.One MO is to check out the dancers on the floor and look for the girls whom are playful together. Is it an act? Probably.
Interview one of them over a drink and let the party begin. Be sure to specify the one-on-one girl action. Nothing worse that on the bed while the alternate one is in the corner of the room on her phone.
Back at the room, a few drinks will help things along too.
BD.
But if you necessarily avoid their social circles, how can you confirm that a particular woman is, in fact, upper middle-class, other than from what she chooses to tell you or show you? Since Pinays are not particularly good at keeping secrets, isn't there some risk that this affair she is having with a contraband Brit burns a hole in her tongue until she spits it out to some girlfriend?It's exactly the same as the difference between working-class women and upper-class women in your own home country.
There are a lot things that may be evaluated. The sum is greater than the parts. The behavior. Their education; talk to a woman who was educated at private schools and was graduated from DLSU, then contrast her with a girl who completed high school, or is a school leaver. Their careers. You can tell BS pretty quickly when a person has a made up job. Talk to them about what their fathers do. They have a knowledge of food and dining - observe their table manners. They often are well traveled; it's tough for a poor Pinay to get a visa. Car ownership. Living in a Makati or BGC residence. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. Some things can be faked, but not everything.
I have no idea about the conversations they have with her friends. Maybe some do confide with those they trust. What they've told me is I'm safer than a Filipino guy because who am I going to tell?
Please "big spenders" stop ruining the P4P markets all over the world. Do a little research and don't be a foolish jerk and overpay!
Master Monger. Disgusted and Distraught (First China, then Thailand, and now The Philippines. RIP).It's only going to get worse. Hang in there.
Quick question : were you envisaging an orgy style experience? In which case a 'private party' can be easily arranged with some of the bigger new hotels/clubs for a fee.. ahem.
AV.No, not really, just a couple of girls to spend the afternoon away with. As I'm making this detour to AC, let's go a bit out of the ordinary. Can splurge some dosh on the right girls (I live in Thailand, so I'm looking at this as a treat).
I was last in AC quite a few years ago, had a lovely experience in one of the bars along the perimeter road (bugger if I remember the name). Went there on a Saturday afternoon, picked up 2 very chatty girls, had a good session, sent them off with a 500 P tip after a couple of hours. Then went there again in the evening and scored one of the waitresses for the night.
Thanks again for your reply.
Hi guys,
I was visiting the Philippines (Subic & Olongapo) last year due to work. I am kind of old school guy so believe it or not I was with the first girl I meet the whole stay.
Yes there was plenty of times I saw a lot of nicer girls and was thinking about dumping her, but she was really GF, she went with for dinner every night, shopping, Gocart, waterworld bla. Bla.
I meet her the first night in a bar so I had to pay barfine 1500 P and I gave here 500 P tip cause she stayed until the next morning, this went on for a few nights, but then I found out that I just BF here for LT. So paid the bar 1500 P for a week and I paid the girl 1000 P for each night, and then she stayed with me the hole they & night. Some of you guys must think I am stupid, with all those girls, but I don't regret it, she was really worth it.
So too the point. Is there a chance to find a girl bar-girl in AC who will do the same, or are they just looking for LD & ST. And will it possible for the same amount of Pesos, course I think it was a pretty good deal.
I am going to AC in the end of this month so I am hoping to have the same experience.
BTW, I know my language skills is not the best, sorry for that.
It's exactly the same as the difference between working-class women and upper-class women in your own home country. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. Some things can be faked, but not everything?And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.
No, not really, just a couple of girls to spend the afternoon away with. As I'm making this detour to AC, let's go a bit out of the ordinary. Can splurge some dosh on the right girls (I live in Thailand, so I'm looking at this as a treat).
I was last in AC quite a few years ago, had a lovely experience in one of the bars along the perimeter road (bugger if I remember the name). Went there on a Saturday afternoon, picked up 2 very chatty girls, had a good session, sent them off with a 500 P tip after a couple of hours. Then went there again in the evening and scored one of the waitresses for the night.
Thanks again for your reply.I got you. Nice memories like this stay with us all. I reckon hit some of the smaller bars like Gecko's in the afternoon or very early evening. Have usually had great results that way (even door girls). The later the evening the less success.
Cheers.
AV.
Soapy Smith
08-04-16, 07:36
There are a lot things that may be evaluated. The sum is greater than the parts. (snip) Their education; talk to a woman who was educated at private schools and was graduated from DLSU, then contrast her with a girl who completed high school, or is a school leaver. (Snip) Talk to them about what their fathers do. They have a knowledge of food and dining - observe their table manners. They often are well traveled; it's tough for a poor Pinay to get a visa. Car ownership. Living in a Makati or BGC residence. They have an air of privilege that poor women don't have. These women are polished. A person can read about such things, but it's from repeated life experience that they acquire knowledge and comfort. I admit I was testing you H, but thanks for the thoughtful comments. You give enough detail that it sounds genuine.
And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.
And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.To be fair there are some of us, even long-timers, who can't be bothered to deal with the higher end. I suppose I would if I lived in the PI full-time but in my situation it just feels like too much work and too much like real life. Give me the sleazy environs of AC, Ermita, etc looking for diamonds in the rough and I'm perfectly happy. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
GoodEnough
08-04-16, 08:24
And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.But, as some other have also alluded to, even if you don't have to fake it, pursuing the higher end of society can be as time consuming and costly as it is in the West. I'd never advise anyone here for a relatively short time to frotter away precious days chasing the upper echelon women as the cost: benefit ration just isn't high enough. Better to stick to the bars or the well-established FL hangouts where failure is highly unlikely.
I was thinking about this last night while enjoying a cognac in Kojax. The place was packed with Westerners, Koreans, Japanese and a few Arabs, all of whom looked like they were having a great time, and many of whom fell in love for the evening, or for at least a couple of hours: neat, clean, no muss, no fuss and no false expectations. If I was here for the short-term and just wanted to have risk-free fun, there's no doubt it's the option I'd choose. I know Kojax is in Makati, but the same holds true for Angeles.
Another closely related option is to hit the bars, find a girl or two who appeals to you, and request she / they put her of their numbers in your phone. Text her the next day and ask her to come to your hotel instead of going to work. This works much of the time, as for many girls, there's little thrill in shuffling around a dance stage in ridiculously high heels for 8 hours, hoping (often in vain) to get bar fined. If this works for you, text her again for a repeat visit and ask her to bring a friend. Many will do so gladly as it's half the work for them. No bar fines, no ladies drinks, and no hassle.
GE.
I admit I was testing you H, but thanks for the thoughtful comments. You give enough detail that it sounds genuine.
And thanks for your patience with us three-weeks-a-year-sex-warriors, who end up skulking around dark corners of AC or near the Rothman Hotel in Malate because we have little awareness of, let alone the cultural capital to be able to navigate, the higher end networks of Philippine society.You're welcome. Nothing wrong with skulking around dark corners; those are some of my favorite places. Certainly there is a difference between a visitor and a resident. If I were visiting for 3 weeks I'd spend a lot of my time taking the easier path to hapenis. As GE wrote below: "... the cost:benefit ratio just isn't high enough." Make no mistake, I'll bed just about anyone. Like everyone else I have my preferences, and I enjoy spending time with women who bring more than 3 orifices to the party. This doesn't happen always, of course. Irrespective of her socio-economic background, three holes are three holes.
My earlier comment was a reply to Red's; I disagreed that upper middle-class women are impossible to get. (The elites I don't know.) Yes, there are limits on each one of us, some more than others, but those that we impose on ourselves because of our own cultural background or hangups ought to be challenged. The Philippines is a very forgiving place when one expands his horizons; fuck up and there are plenty of other opportunities in this target rich environment.
And of course these women know the difference between an upper class man and some contract IT worker of your home country. For all those guys thinking that sitting on a plane for a dozen hours or more miraculously transforms them into an interesting person: some things can be faked, but not everything.You're correct. A upper-class woman should be able to sniff that out quickly.
What I mentioned earlier was about the girl's motivation. What does she want from this? If she wants a boyfriend, she's not hanging out with me. But if she just wants to get laid... women enjoy getting laid as much as the blokes; they have twice the number of nerve receptors in their pussies, so they may even enjoy it more, provided it's done well. Yet, women also face more scrutiny and consequences if revealed to be promiscuous. They face real social risks, and there have been many uni students expelled from school when caught up in a sex scandal that's recorded and uploaded to sites like iyottube. You can find videos titled like "UST student Maria Garcia fucks her BF." Any consequence for the guy? Not that I know of. Foreign men are seen as safer. How do I know this? I've been told by the girls themselves. Further, I've dealt with women who want to explore a fetish or two, but are too ashamed to ask their Filipino partners. Why? Judgment. In their minds they think the local fella will believe they are dirty women. There are women who want discreet, judgment-free hookups.
My earlier comment was a reply to Red's; I disagreed that upper middle-class women are impossible to get. (The elites I don't know.) I am not sure what comment of mine you replied to Huts, but I am pretty sure I didn't use the word "impossible" or "never" in any posts I made. Having lived here long enough, like you, I know that there are always exceptions that prove the rule, especially in the Phils, but I think all of us are on the same page when we say that upper middle-class women are difficult to get and require a lot of serendipitous happenings for one to fall into your lap. Your comments that some women, even those of the upper 'class", just want to get laid now and again is true but it has to be done discreetly and they have the option to choose their partner.
I have been to some wine & cheese evenings at Manila Polo Club and there are a few well-heeled ladies there who enjoy a flirt and a chat, but I have never taken it beyond the function hall (yet!
WestCoast1
08-04-16, 15:04
To be fair there are some of us, even long-timers, who can't be bothered to deal with the higher end. I suppose I would if I lived in the PI full-time but in my situation it just feels like too much work and too much like real life. Give me the sleazy environs of AC, Ermita, etc looking for diamonds in the rough and I'm perfectly happy. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.Haha right there with you bro! I like both Malate and Makati. I'm also fine hanging out in the province, getting girls to come to me from nearby provinces, for adult-play only. Province specialty: getting 'good' girls to bust off their leash, leave her boyfriend and family for one / two nights to be with me -- then having her repeat the next time I'm in town (better, after several visits she brings a cousin, and you gents get to enjoy their nakedness in the PG).
Ladies at the Polo club? Never. *ME* at the Polo club? Haha, slim chance I'll be caught there.
Soldierb11
08-04-16, 15:54
Hi guys,
I was visiting the Philippines (Subic & Olongapo) last year due to work. I am kind of old school guy so believe it or not I was with the first girl I meet the whole stay.
Yes there was plenty of times I saw a lot of nicer girls and was thinking about dumping her, but she was really GF, she went with for dinner every night, shopping, Gocart, waterworld bla. Bla.
I meet her the first night in a bar so I had to pay barfine 1500 P and I gave here 500 P tip cause she stayed until the next morning, this went on for a few nights, but then I found out that I just BF here for LT. So paid the bar 1500 P for a week and I paid the girl 1000 P for each night, and then she stayed with me the hole they & night. Some of you guys must think I am stupid, with all those girls, but I don't regret it, she was really worth it.
So too the point. Is there a chance to find a girl bar-girl in AC who will do the same, or are they just looking for LD & ST. And will it possible for the same amount of Pesos, course I think it was a pretty good deal.
I am going to AC in the end of this month so I am hoping to have the same experience.
BTW, I know my language skills is not the best, sorry for that.Sure its possible to find a girl in AC that will stay with you all week, there are literally a 1000+ girls there! But in my experience Subic is much more laid back and the girls are more content with all nights than the AC girls where a percentage of them are only out for LD or ST gigs. But sure if the girl is digging you she will gladly stay a week with you. BUT I seriously doubt you will be pulling an AC bar girl for 1000 pesos a night. The lowest bar fine that I found a few months ago was at Typhoon and that was 2400 pesos. Most of the the fines ranged from 2500-3500 on Fields. Sure if you venture away from Fields you can find lower prices but I still doubt a 1000 peso all day offer is going to get a lot of interest in AC. AC is not like Subic in this regard.
Sure its possible to find a girl in AC that will stay with you all week, there are literally a 1000+ girls there! But in my experience Subic is much more laid back and the girls are more content with all nights than the AC girls where a percentage of them are only out for LD or ST gigs. But sure if the girl is digging you she will gladly stay a week with you. BUT I seriously doubt you will be pulling an AC bar girl for 1000 pesos a night. The lowest bar fine that I found a few months ago was at Typhoon and that was 2400 pesos. Most of the the fines ranged from 2500-3500 on Fields. Sure if you venture away from Fields you can find lower prices but I still doubt a 1000 peso all day offer is going to get a lot of interest in AC. AC is not like Subic in this regard.I read the original post as he paid 1500 bar fine per day for the week so a total of 2500 per day is a lot more do-able. I doubt the bar / mama would have settled for 1500 per week or 200 per day. Well done if I'm wrong!
A couple of other options:
If he got on so well with the Subic girl, just get her to meet him in AC. It's so close that I doubt he will be able to escape the Barfine but she will be able to travel to and from easily.
Grab a FL or non pro (waitress, receptionist etc) in AC.
A DIA / web girl would jump at a paid holiday for 7 days. He may even find someone based in AC.
Take "Tea to China" and grab a bar girl or FL from Manila or other cheaper location and take her. I'm amazed at the number of bargirls from other locations that have been taken by guys to AC for days or weeks. Quite often she will tell the bar that she is going back to the province and no Barfine will be payable, just the tip straight to her.
I am not sure what comment of mine you replied to Huts, but I am pretty sure I didn't use the word "impossible" or "never" in any posts I made. Having lived here long enough, like you, I know that there are always exceptions that prove the rule, especially in the Phils, but I think all of us are on the same page when we say that upper middle-class women are difficult to get and require a lot of serendipitous happenings for one to fall into your lap. Your comments that some women, even those of the upper 'class", just want to get laid now and again is true but it has to be done discreetly and they have the option to choose their partner.
Sorry mate, I should have linked to your OP as the convo was growing long and spread over several pages. I replied before to this comment here:
Girls from these well-off families wouldn't be seen dead with a foreigner (unless he is famous and rich, such as an international sports star, film star or an entertainer AND is close to her age).
On my reread I find it is true, you didn't say "impossible", so a misremembrance on my part. Apologies. In my defence, "wouldn't be seen dead with a foreigner" is kind of close to impossible, dontcha think? ;)
I have been to some wine & cheese evenings at Manila Polo Club and there are a few well-heeled ladies there who enjoy a flirt and a chat, but I have never taken it beyond the function hall (yet!Too many eyes and too many gossipy lips in that environment to put on conspicuous moves. I don't know your domestic situation, but I lead the conversation into food (haven't met a Pinay yet who dislikes that topic), mentioning that I love cooking and describe dishes I make. When I get "I'd love to try your cooking" I follow up with an invite for a meeting a day or two later and contact info is exchanged. Often she brings a decent wine.
Sure its possible to find a girl in AC that will stay with you all week, there are literally a 1000+ girls there! But in my experience Subic is much more laid back and the girls are more content with all nights than the AC girls where a percentage of them are only out for LD or ST gigs. But sure if the girl is digging you she will gladly stay a week with you. BUT I seriously doubt you will be pulling an AC bar girl for 1000 pesos a night. The lowest bar fine that I found a few months ago was at Typhoon and that was 2400 pesos. Most of the the fines ranged from 2500-3500 on Fields. Sure if you venture away from Fields you can find lower prices but I still doubt a 1000 peso all day offer is going to get a lot of interest in AC. AC is not like Subic in this regard.I doubt good looking spinner type of girls are interested in weeklong journey unless it is to somewhere outside the country. But these days it is a big hurdle to take girls outside the country. Good looking girls make lots of money in Angeles.
I am sure there will be some not so good looking girls available. Many of them do not make much money either by LD or bar fine. Best bet like others have mentioned is to try DIA girls. They are less expensive. Once again to keep a girl whole week is not easy. For me I loose interest after three days even if the girl is good. Even their is not going to be horny after few days. Generally there is no emotional involvement unless one has been seeing the girl many times before. Provincial good looking girls are good company. They are not used to staying at good hotels, eating good food and wearing nice clothes.
NapaSlapper
08-05-16, 11:09
Have to agree that any remotely young attractive slim bar-girl in angeles her time in in very high demand, most want drinks only, very few will except barfine and then mostly always short time, so in reality there is very little chance of these girls wanting to leave the bar and her high earnings to go anywhere for a week with a punter, unless a truly unheard of amount was offered, fugly fatties are obviously good to go as they have low earning potential in the bar.
I have been reading with interest the few members stating that upper class girls are available to foreigners, they might be if one is of very similar age, looks, weight and social standing, but the chance of a middle age man with a Hi so young girl is wishful thinking at best.
Walk around any high end mall in the Phills on a weekend and the chance of getting any smiles from upper class girls / women are zero, smile at them first and they will reply with a dirty look as in stating who the fuck you looking at pervert, the reason why is they do not need our money, they have their own.
As for stories of college girls wanting sex with guys old enough to be their father / grandfathers is just that, stories.
Most Phills families I am friendly with have teenage girls in school / college / university, daddy provides the latest iPhone, the latest clothing, the latest car etc, these girls have zero need for elderly sponsors to buy school books in exchange for sex.
I fully agree that there are certain types of girls that work low paid jobs like, waitress, reception, call center etc that are willing to exchange some pussy for extra money.
On the other hand 99.9% of the pinay population would not dream of selling their pussy for any amount of money even if they were starving.
As for stories of college girls wanting sex with guys old enough to be their father / grandfathers is just that, stories.
.College girls having sex with older men is not stories. They really do happen. I have sponsored few girls through college. They all started out as dating site contacts, sex and if I liked support their education.
Girls from rich families do not do it. But vast majority of college students in Philippines are poor. Many are supported by aunts and uncles but sometimes they cannot because of one reason or another. Almost all girls know education is the path to make their life better. Many drop out for one reason or another usually it is because of lack of money. They would love to have a sponsor. So what if they have to provide sexual favors for men old enough to be their fathers or grandfathers? In Asian and Latino culture girls like older men anyway.
If you chat with dating site girls many will say they attended college but had to drop out. What you see in Angeles are girls who have no intention to educate themselves and single mothers forced to earn to support family.
Even in advanced countries college girls earn money by stripping, escorting etc. For the right amount I am sure they provide everything.
Mr Enternational
08-06-16, 02:25
College girls having sex with older men is not stories. They really do happen. I have sponsored few girls through college. They all started out as dating site contacts, sex and if I liked support their education.
Girls from rich families do not do it. But vast majority of college students in Philippines are poor. NS said "college girls wanting sex with guys old enough to be their father/grandfather." You have outlined a scenario of a poor girl trading sex out of financial necessity.
Wicked Roger
08-06-16, 02:38
NS said "college girls wanting sex with guys old enough to be their father/grandfather." You have outlined a scenario of a poor girl trading sex out of financial necessity.Mr E,
In my case they all want sex with this old man trust me and being a gentleman I never refuse a kind lady LOL. Some call me "daddy" also LOL.
NapaSlapper
08-06-16, 03:12
College girls having sex with older men is not stories. They really do happen. I have sponsored few girls through college. They all started out as dating site contacts, sex and if I liked support their education.
Girls from rich families do not do it. But vast majority of college students in Philippines are poor. Many are supported by aunts and uncles but sometimes they cannot because of one reason or another. Almost all girls know education is the path to make their life better. Many drop out for one reason or another usually it is because of lack of money. They would love to have a sponsor. So what if they have to provide sexual favors for men old enough to be their fathers or grandfathers? In Asian and Latino culture girls like older men anyway.
If you chat with dating site girls many will say they attended college but had to drop out. What you see in Angeles are girls who have no intention to educate themselves and single mothers forced to earn to support family.
Even in advanced countries college girls earn money by stripping, escorting etc. For the right amount I am sure they provide everything.Exactly, ex dating site girls, strippers, escorts might.
A good girl from a high so family has zero interest in old guys as sponsors because she is already sponsored by wealthy parents and these are the girls we are talking about.
Girls from dubious backgrounds who want to find an old guy to sponsor her studies in exchange for some pussy is in fact a prostitute, same same as any bargirl, freelancer selling her pussy for money.
Lets not confuse good girls from good rich families with prostitutes, a world of difference IMHO.
Quick question. I'll be in AC for a couple of days. If I were to fancy a three- or foursome in the style of Bangkok's Eden club (girl on girl activity), what pub / club would you recommend?The Eden experience of CIM and lesbian rimming?
Niftys (Perimeter Road). The girls are mostly marginal and / or chubby, but if you want that experience...
They should still have that short time room upstairs (with the discount barfine).
Soldierb11
08-06-16, 14:11
College girls having sex with older men is not stories. They really do happen. I have sponsored few girls through college. They all started out as dating site contacts, sex and if I liked support their education..What you did was pay a few prostitutes college education. Nothing wrong with that if you are happy with the situation and they will obviously be thrilled with it. Guys all the time are trying to justify what they are doing or sugarcoat things. "no she isn't a working girl" etc etc. Just a couple days ago here in Cartagena a guy was talking to us all happy that he found a non-pro according to him on a dating site. He was excited that they were going to dinner and afterward back to the Hilton. FOR the equivalent of $133. Sorry to him and sorry to everyone else that believes in their "non-pro". You fuck a girl and pay her money she is a prostitute! A girl I spent a ton of time in 2010 in Bogota with. I fucked her but never paid her a peso, BUT BUT I paid her phone bill and electricity and internet at times. Making her what? A prostitute! No need to be ashamed of that guys.
What you did was pay a few prostitutes college education. Nothing wrong with that if you are happy with the situation and they will obviously be thrilled with it. Guys all the time are trying to justify what they are doing or sugarcoat things. "no she isn't a working girl" etc etc. Just a couple days ago here in Cartagena a guy was talking to us all happy that he found a non-pro according to him on a dating site. He was excited that they were going to dinner and afterward back to the Hilton. FOR the equivalent of $133. Sorry to him and sorry to everyone else that believes in their "non-pro". You fuck a girl and pay her money she is a prostitute! A girl I spent a ton of time in 2010 in Bogota with. I fucked her but never paid her a peso, BUT BUT I paid her phone bill and electricity and internet at times. Making her what? A prostitute! No need to be ashamed of that guys.In your explanation all girls can be classified as prostitutes. Dating involves spending money, giving gifts. Does that mean those girls are prostitutes if you end up in bed together? If so even buying a girl drink at the bar and later taking her home and having sex with her classifies her as a prostitute.
IMHO if you offer money for sex with a girl she is a prostitute. In other words she is selling her body for your pleasure and you are compensating with purely money with no emotional attachments.
WestCoast1
08-06-16, 21:32
In your explanation all girls can be classified as prostitutes. Dating involves spending money, giving gifts. Does that mean those girls are prostitutes if you end up in bed together? If so even buying a girl drink at the bar and later taking her home and having sex with her classifies her as a prostitute.
IMHO if you offer money for sex with a girl she is a prostitute. In other words she is selling her body for your pleasure and you are compensating with purely money with no emotional attachments.In any sexual relationship, when person "a" depends on person 'be' for money, then person "a" is a prostitute (it does not matter whether "a" is a man or woman). The very definition: Trading sex for money. If ending the money ends the sex (it always does), then prostitution was occurring.
How, then, is dating (with sex) or marriage *not* prostitution? Just asking a question.
In any sexual relationship, when person "a" depends on person 'be' for money, then person "a" is a prostitute (it does not matter whether "a" is a man or woman). The very definition: Trading sex for money. If ending the money ends the sex (it always does), then prostitution was occurring.
How, then, is dating (with sex) or marriage *not* prostitution? Just asking a question.For the righteous, the same theory applies when you are working at a job or for a client you don't like. You are whoring yourself.
No offense intended. Just setting the record straight here.
Mr Enternational
08-07-16, 00:02
How, then, is dating (with sex) or marriage *not* prostitution? Just asking a question.Because one person is not always dependant on another for money. Therefore there is no money to end in order for sex to be ended. I have said it on ISG 1 million times. However the relationship starts, that is how it has to continue. So if you choose to set the tone with money then you will have to keep the money coming.
I would never give money to a chick that I am dating. I only pay hookers. My girlfriend in AC works in a massage shop and when I go there for massages she won't even let me tip her and has never asked me for 1 peso. I would say that is the difference.
Niftys (Perimeter Road). The girls are mostly marginal and / or chubby, but if you want that experience...Marginal is being too kind. Have you looked in there lately? It's a horror show.
If I may interrupt the discussions on price policing and job classifications of late.
Does anyone know what happened to Harry the Horse August newsletter?
Wicked Roger
08-07-16, 01:49
If I may interrupt the discussions on price policing and job classifications of late.
Does anyone know what happened to Harry the Horse August newsletter?Was wondering the same DG as last month he had an issue with Russian hackers that delayed him and also reduced the content etc.
Harry had not been well of late was told but there is a new guy handling the site now.
NapaSlapper
08-07-16, 02:18
Because one person is not always dependant on another for money. Therefore there is no money to end in order for sex to be ended. I have said it on ISG 1 million times. However the relationship starts, that is how it has to continue. So if you choose to set the tone with money then you will have to keep the money coming.
I would never give money to a chick that I am dating. I only pay hookers. My girlfriend in AC works in a massage shop and when I go there for massages she won't even let me tip her and has never asked me for 1 peso. I would say that is the difference.Agree 100% Mr E, nail on the head.
I am planning a trip. Like a month in Chiang Mai, a month in Sihanouk then three weeks in Angeles. Started looking on Daie In Asia for ladies to pipeline for day game. I have already been contacted by one Free-lancer and have collected 50+ cell numbers. I don't know if I can seduce good girls. I mean I can seduce them. But how to get rid of them afterward.
So, now I am thinking of putting Angeles first. I wonder how many of those DIA profiles are from bar girls. Any advice would be appreciated.
Re Nifty's Perimeter Road.
Marginal is being too kind. Have you looked in there lately? It's a horror show.Nifty's was a great fun place. Then about 2 or so years ago they got mixed up in the Police Raids, they also had Yellow T Shirted Council 'Inspectors' sitting inside the bar to ensure no sex on premises and no bar fines.
The beginning of the end.
Yes, no longer a must visit bar. No decent looking girls there nowadays. On its death legs. Also on the corner with Perimeter is where an Englishman was shot dead for his old mobile phone and small pesos. Not a safe area.
Wicked Roger
08-08-16, 02:11
But how to get rid of them afterward.
So, now I am thinking of putting Angeles first. I wonder how many of those DIA profiles are from bar girls. Any advice would be appreciated.Plenty of advice on the board on how to get rid of those you don't want hanging around after the deed.
As for bar girls on DIA? Well ask them? Simple really, many from AC likely would be but who knows. I have met DIA girls who were bar girls from many different cities and how I found out was asking them when you chat with them.
Sometimes I wonder LOL.
NapaSlapper
08-08-16, 02:27
Re Nifty's Perimeter Road.
Nifty's was a great fun place. Then about 2 or so years ago they got mixed up in the Police Raids, they also had Yellow T Shirted Council 'Inspectors' sitting inside the bar to ensure no sex on premises and no bar fines.
The beginning of the end.
Yes, no longer a must visit bar. No decent looking girls there nowadays. On its death legs. Also on the corner with Perimeter is where an Englishman was shot dead for his old mobile phone and small pesos. Not a safe area.The constant bar raids were the beginning of the end for most angeles bars.
As far as safety, I would not be walking around anywhere on perimeter road after dark, there has been a stream of newspaper reports of guys being robbed / killed in this area, both Europeans and Koreans.
My advice for perimeter bar hops is go early, have a couple of beers, try to find a girl and leave early, if its evening then don't walk, call the hotel car or use public transport (watch for pickpockets on jeepneys).
Want to be out at night then barhop on fields avenue, walking street would be fairly safe, the only down side in walking this area is the ladyboys, begging children and constant hawkers, but ones life should not be at risk here.
Obviously stay reasonably sober all over the phills if one is out alone at night.
Member #4558
08-08-16, 07:35
Every time we have discussions and debate over girls being hoes or not. Technically all girls are hoes bcs at some point we will pay them in some sort of fashion. Maybe not for the straight sexual thing but for other service IE friendly approach, taxi, dinner, toilet, shoes, dress, perfume etc etc. Basics; older guys can not, with a straight face, tell someone here they do young slim student girls without donations? For the world and for the fun of it lets be honest. We have the odd situations where the girl is slamming her pussy lips around my dick and she is like keeping it this way forever. The age gapped girls are with older men from a reason and its money / donations. We can of course debate our asses around technicalities around it but then we will have to hide our straight faces.
For Phils a Hi so girl would not be caught dead with a senior 15 years + her age (public). I speak about the top notch girls, not girls warming bar chairs around AC. No one in a bar environment are top notch girls as these girls are poor. Then of course we like the illusion of the girls liking us for who we are and sometimes they do like us if we honest and put moneys as a underlining carpet of the deal.
Don't mistake me from just a few posts here as I have serious experience in Phils, Manila (Makati). I don't go around hitting in bars where bar girls work as I hunt in the regular scenery clubbing / drinking / partying. Eksklusiv, Z6, Valkyrie, Prive and various clubs in BGC would be my landscape. I sure meet loads of beauties but I don't delude myself into believing they with me for other reasons than a quick fix. I am quite young myself and I do smell nice hehe. I fly in and I fly out and even aviation related girls would be some sort of main target to me. Do I pay the girls, hell yes, I want no obstacles arising. I want to donate my ass of instead of beeing a cheap ass. Girls in the upper class may not view themselves as hookers and they do act like every girl on this planet meaning I do VIP booths, I do the foods / drinks. When we get to my condo we fuck and she leaves morning after. Its like the "dating" from back home. Sometimes when they should leave I gift them (a few blue notes accordingly). If gifts are brought up on some level, girls in this segment will not accept or have any interest in 1-2 blue notes. They will expect dresses, new Iphones / pads, shoes of certain quality, purses and bags etc etc. They will hang with me only in the private rooms and not public bcs of a lot to loose if seen with me in public (their facade).
For the main part I do my hunts in dating sites / facebook and from my view most of the girls, good or bad ones, will be treated like a hoe as I just want the bang, compensate and move on. At some stage on my last stay at the Shang Makati I did find 3 k in my shoe (found it when back home) so obviously a girl did find the money idea to be bad. If I could I would reimbursed her but I did have a lot of traffic during those days (girls in and out, 3-4 each day), so I am not able to pin point which girl left the money. At least the one girl would pretend not to be hooker but you can never know what's her angel. Probably offended me giving her money. Still I do enjoy the gifting. I am not here to find any serious rel so its all a game / play to me.
Yes, no longer a must visit bar. No decent looking girls there nowadays.I agree. I was there last December (during the daytime).
The original question was which bar had the best chance to get an Eden Club experience (CIM and lesbian rimming). Note: Most girls at Eden are also on the ugly side.
It will be almost impossible to get the top notch looking girls at the mega clubs to do it.
It takes effort to find the "right" girls on Fields Ave.
My guess is that the Eden experience will be easily available at Niftys (with marginal...ok, probably with butt ugly girls).
Not that experienced with Perimeter Road. Are there other clubs in which you can easily get the Eden experience?
The Eden experience of CIM and lesbian rimming?Not necessarily, but at least a pair of gals comfortable with working together, how they say. I tend to prefer girls (ladies?) of the 'experienced' persuasion, I'm not necessarily looking for 19 YO stunners, they often play the starfish.
I'll let the forum know how it went.
Further to some comments about the number of our Korean brothers in AC.
Korean Airlines is offering rates at present of $389 return fares (Manila-Incheon) and $ 349 return (Cebu-Incheon).
No wonder they see Philippines as a great weekend getaway for golf and girls at this price and such a short flight too.
Not necessarily, but at least a pair of gals comfortable with working together, how they say. I tend to prefer girls (ladies?) of the 'experienced' persuasion, I'm not necessarily looking for 19 YO stunners, they often play the starfish.The Eden Club is infamous for CIM, lesbian rimming, and the "left of the yellow line for anal".
If you want just a normal threesome, then it won't be that hard. You just have to keep on asking.
Further to some comments about the number of our Korean brothers in AC.
Korean Airlines is offering rates at present of $389 return fares (Manila-Incheon) and $ 349 return (Cebu-Incheon).
No wonder they see Philippines as a great weekend getaway for golf and girls at this price and such a short flight too.For your info, it's even cheaper on Cebu Pacific and Air Asia. The round trip fare between Incheon and Manila in couple of weeks is between $200 - $300. If you plan ahead and get the promo price, you can get it for under $200.
The Koreans probably pay approx between 100 K - 220 K+ Won for short time (non KTV, non business club). Philippine is still a great value (even with all the price increases) for Koreans...and Californians.
I'll let the forum know how it went.So, here it is. Arrived on Sunday afternoon, rather heavy rain. Visited Gecko, quite busy, not much choice. Ended up in PonyTails, good selection, at least a dozen suitable girls (I like them on the skinny side).
I pointed to one I liked (Alexa, 22 YO?) Asked a mamasan and she recommended the second one (Fern?) 3 k PHP each for EWR plus a round of drinks, took them home after 10 minutes. Enjoyed their company for a coupe of hours (Fern by far the most pleasant to work with, I sent Alexa home after an hour or so), then went out for dinner and for an evening snack. Around midnight landed at XS, quite busy with mostly Korean customers. A pair of very nice waitresses, but apparently not interested. Collected a dark-skinned specimen (forgot her name), the usual 3 K for the takeaway.
Next day went for lunch, then visited a few places and around 3 PM hit a Korean club place just before Kokomo's, on that side of the street (forgot the name, small place, smokey, girls dressed as nurses). Good choice of girls, picked up Lucy, usual fare (to pay her directly after the deed, the bar did not take the EWR fee). Very nice legs, small tattoos on the calf, super-shy of her body (she had a baby, so a few stretchmarks). Good session, watched a movie and let her go around 7 PM.
In the evening visited a few more places (Roadhouse (smelly. Smoky, poor choice), Angelwitch (not bad, quite a few cuties), Bunker (poor choice)) , ended up at club Asia. After a while I collected Grace, the usual 3 K deal. Sent her home around 2 Am (I like to sleep by myself).
Overall a pleasant experience, compares favorably to Pattaya. Less choice, of course, but it's much easier to interact with the girls. None of these I met would hold a candle to seasoned Thai professionals (the likes of these you find in Tulip, Mango, Snowwhite, Anne's, etc), but they were generally all fun to work with, if not very experienced. I was surprised to see the number of girls on the fat side, there were a few that had more beer belly than me.
Thanks to all for the advice.
Thanks for the reply. It was a late check-in and I was eager to get out before it was too late and jet-lag set in. I will try that on my upcoming trip as I always have a copy that I carry and leave my passport in the hotel safe. I'll present the passport copy and see if that works. Never had issues using my passport copy at currency exchange either. Thanks for the tip. The hotel was Central Park Tower.
JR: Maybe I misread your words. Did you mean to say that your hotel front desk held your passport, and you were unaware until checkout that they had it?
Yes, its true, some hotels will either keep your check-in ID, or they will make a photocopy of it. However when they keep the ID, they always ask if they can keep it. I never offer my passport anymore. I keep a copy of the main page as my ID while in-country in my pants pocket at all times. I hand that to the clerk and make sure she photocopies it and hands it back to me. The passport is something I show only to Immigration personnel. Even local WU offices have stopped insisting on the original passport (they are fine now with a photocopy) when sending / receiving.
Mr Enternational
08-17-16, 15:44
I'll present the passport copy and see if that works. Never had issues using my passport copy at currency exchange either. Thanks for the tip. The hotel was Central Park Tower.Central Park only copies the passport. They do not keep it. I have never had a currency exchange place in the Philippines ask for a passport.
Fast Eddie 48
08-17-16, 21:05
Central Park only copies the passport. They do not keep it. I have never had a currency exchange place in the Philippines ask for a passport.To Mr Enternational.
The only time money changer need to see a Passport if you have Amex traveler check, most money changer will accept it but offer lower rate than currency.
Fast Eddie 48.
StudBucket
08-18-16, 06:29
Just got back again from another great trip in Angeles with my boys. Have to say the town is still filled with plenty of girls with great attitudes, good pricing, and wanted to give some must see GoGo bars and must try restaurants for those unfamiliar. This is not a field report by any means.
Go Go Bars Must Try:
Crystal Palace.
Lollipops.
Dollhouse.
Atlantis.
Club Asia
Good Restaurants in Angeles:
Yi San- Bomb Korean food, clean, nice.
Kokomos- Great Menu, so diverse.
Vari Asia at the ABC- go Wed. Or Sun. For the Japanese or Asian nights, all you can eat tapa style plates.
RBI at the Queen's Hotel. Great steaks, fish, etc. More expensive than most other AC restaurants.
Tequila Reef- Good Mexican food, not great though.
Enjoy AC boys.
NapaSlapper
08-18-16, 10:38
Just got back again from another great trip in Angeles with my boys. Have to say the town is still filled with plenty of girls with great attitudes, good pricing, and wanted to give some must see GoGo bars and must try restaurants for those unfamiliar. This is not a field report by any means.
Go Go Bars Must Try:
Crystal Palace.
Lollipops.
Dollhouse..I too am just back from another Angeles trip so we were probably there at the same time.
I would love to hear more detail on what you found so great in your list of must visit go go bars, like.
Are the girls attractive, tall, slim, no baby, no cherry girls, no drinks only girls, no Korean only girls, no bait and switch girls.
Are all girls willing to barfine, are they all willing to stay LT, are there no runners.
Are the girls not demanding 3 k ($65 us) bar fines, with some demanding 4 k bar fines ($85 us), have the girls stopped ordering dld as standard 300 p ($6.5 us).
I have visited most bars on your list and the last thing I would describe them as is must visit, great attitude girls or good value.
As for restaurants.
Kokomos and Phillies have got to be my least liked places to eat, probably most peoples least liked places to eat going by the severe lack of customers.
I will agree that Kokomos is a central spot for a beer and to people watch, that's if you can keep the ladyboys, beggars and Viagra sellers from constantly harassing one.
I would also fully agree that ABC hotel has reasonably OK food but at 1st world prices and above.
Fastpiston
08-19-16, 02:02
I too am just back from another Angeles trip so we were probably there at the same time.
I would love to hear more detail on what you found so great in your list of must visit go go bars, like.
Are the girls attractive, tall, slim, no baby, no cherry girls, no drinks only girls, no Korean only girls, no bait and switch girls.
Are all girls willing to barfine, are they all willing to stay LT, are there no runners.
Are the girls not demanding 3 k ($65 us) bar fines, with some demanding 4 k bar fines ($85 us), have the girls stopped ordering dld as standard 300 p ($6.5 us).
I have visited most bars on your list and the last thing I would describe them as is must visit, great attitude girls or good value.
As for restaurants.
Kokomos and Phillies have got to be my least liked places to eat, probably most peoples least liked places to eat going by the severe lack of customers.
I will agree that Kokomos is a central spot for a beer and to people watch, that's if you can keep the ladyboys, beggars and Viagra sellers from constantly harassing one.
I would also fully agree that ABC hotel has reasonably OK food but at 1st world prices and above.Absolutely right. Saved me stating the obvious.
Ms Account
08-19-16, 03:48
Although I have been coming to the Philippines for a while I never quite made it to AC before. I was going to go back a few years ago but it was right about the time of all the raids and I balked. So made my first trip last week with two friends (although it was only for 2 days). Given all the negative feedback here I was not expecting much. Given most of my P4 P experience is the expensive Burgos or the not so flash Cebu / Davao P4 P scene, in my limited experience of 2 days I was actually quite impressed with AC.
The first night we spent on Fields. Tried multiple smaller bars (mid Fields) that were not memorable. Went to Atlantis. That has to be the biggest bar in the Philippines? I knew the feedback from here was that not many girls go with Westerners. A not so pretty girl acted as my pseudo mamasan telling me who would go with Westerners and who would not (although I should not have trusted her as I found out the next day). Her estimate was that 80% would not go with Westerners Ended up sitting with a girl who was quite pretty in the distance but up close was not so flash. So I moved on. Ended up taking a girl from Dragon Bar who was a great GF experience. On day 2 afternoon wanted to try Perimeter road bars but didn't know where they were (even after reading back a few pages here). Found a very useful map online called Waynes AC map. http://www.acmap.com So caught 3 tricycles to the end of Perimeter road and hit Lost in Asia and then multiple bars as we walked back to Fields. General opinion was career bar girls. In general my impression is that Burgos would get a higher turnover of new girls than AC and Perimeter road bars specifically. Ended up back at Atlantis and ended up leaving with a girl that my pseudo mamasan the previous night said would not go with westerners. Just my look, tall slim pretty face. There is some real lookers at Atlantis. Both girls I went with were great GFE and are constantly messaging me to come back. And this is at a cost of 3 k vs 6-8 k I am used to at Burgos.
I was impressed with my limited 2 days there and maybe I made a mistake not going there earlier.
Can AC regulars comment on what ability there is to complement the AC P4 P scene with dating website meetups. A regular girl from Tarlac I meet in Makati was not prepared to go to AC to meet me (I thought I would save her travel time). So there must be some negative stigma if dating website girls know you are staying in AC?
StudBucket
08-19-16, 04:56
Although I have been coming to the Philippines for a while I never quite made it to AC before. I was going to go back a few years ago but it was right about the time of all the raids and I balked. So made my first trip last week with two friends (although it was only for 2 days). Given all the negative feedback here I was not expecting much. Given most of my P4 P experience is the expensive Burgos or the not so flash Cebu / Davao P4 P scene, in my limited experience of 2 days I was actually quite impressed with AC.
The first night we spent on Fields. Tried multiple smaller bars (mid Fields) that were not memorable. Went to Atlantis. That has to be the biggest bar in the Philippines? I knew the feedback from here was that not many girls go with Westerners. A not so pretty girl acted as my pseudo mamasan telling me who would go with Westerners and who would not (although I should not have trusted her as I found out the next day). Her estimate was that 80% would not go with Westerners Ended up sitting with a girl who was quite pretty in the distance but up close was not so flash. So I moved on. Ended up taking a girl from Dragon Bar who was a great GF experience. On day 2 afternoon wanted to try Perimeter road bars but didn't know where they were (even after reading back a few pages here). Found a very useful map online called Waynes AC map. http://www.acmap.com So caught 3 tricycles to the end of Perimeter road and hit Lost in Asia and then multiple bars as we walked back to Fields. General opinion was career bar girls. In general my impression is that Burgos would get a higher turnover of new girls than AC and Perimeter road bars specifically. Ended up back at Atlantis and ended up leaving with a girl that my pseudo mamasan the previous night said would not go with westerners. Just my look, tall slim pretty face. There is some real lookers at Atlantis. Both girls I went with were great GFE and are constantly messaging me to come back. And this is at a cost of 3 k vs 6-8 k I am used to at Burgos.
I was impressed with my limited 2 days there and maybe I made a mistake not going there earlier.
Can AC regulars comment on what ability there is to complement the AC P4 P scene with dating website meetups. A regular girl from Tarlac I meet in Makati was not prepared to go to AC to meet me (I thought I would save her travel time). So there must be some negative stigma if dating website girls know you are staying in AC?My recommendation is not to bother with the dating websites if you are in Angeles. There is so much available talent in AC its like shooting fish in a barrel or stealing candy from a baby. My friends and I have found that the dating website results and searches were so limited in Angeles City or Pampanga and adjacent cities, girls here are not too computer savvy nor can afford it or just don't care. I would say Manila would certainly be much better for the use of dating websites. If you do choose to go this route, the main websites to search are Filipino Cupid.com (must pay membership and not worth I. M. h. O) and Date in Asia. Again, not a lot of talent. You can set up a few girls but you will mainly get 5's, and 6's and an occasional 7. So bottom line, boots on the ground is all you really need in AC, you will find them on the bars, streets, and High Society. Hell, my buds have gotten laid from McDonalds and Jollibee. Glad you liked AC, it grows on you. You should stay longer next time, 2 days it too short to gauge and enjoy. Stay at least a week if you can. I use to believe that Manila was the place to be, I now only go there a few days and will spend anywhere from 10 days or more on a 30 day trip.
NapaSlapper
08-19-16, 08:48
Have to say from my experience most Angeles and Papanga bargirls are very internet savvy, in fact some won't put their smart phones down for a second.
Those very few that do not own a smart phone then internet access is but a couple of pesos per hour, take a look in any angeles internet shop and you will not find an empty seat for bar girls keeping in touch with punters and family.
Have always found that most ac bar girls are also online with apps like Facebook, line, what's app, tagged and the multitude of speed dating / meeting apps.
On my own Facebook account I probably have over 200 angeles bar-girls as friends and probably another 100 on the other apps as friends.
The same girls one can find in any angeles gogo bar are exactly the same girls that are also online every day, hell I know many angeles residents who never go to bars or pay barfines but just contact the girls direct online for meeting in the girls free time.
On my many recent angeles trips and talking to other short visit guys staying at my hotel a trend has clearly appeared over the last few years, most guys are with girls they did not meet in angeles but online from other Phills destinations.
Why would so many guys be importing so many non angeles bar-girls to come and stay with them, maybe it has something to do with that angeles bucket has very few fish guys are willing to shoot.
Go Go Bars Must Try:
Crystal Palace.
Lollipops.
Dollhouse.
Atlantis.
Club Asia
I'm not a fan of the bigger show bars like the Dollhouse Group but I have to agree with you on Lollipop. It's always been an OK bar but suddenly it's really good. Meanwhile its neighbors Gecko and La Bamba have gone to shit.
I've also enjoyed Q Bar and Typhoon lately. These are my kind of places. Not too big or showy (or expensive), but still with plenty of nice girls. Yes, the town was better five or ten years ago, but if you poke around there is still great fun to be had.
The "regular" dating site girls in AC know this and are quite accomodating, IMO. I have several non-bar girls in the 6 -7 range I see there who do not require barfines but always appreciate "gifts".
My recommendation is not to bother with the dating websites if you are in Angeles. There is so much available talent in AC its like shooting fish in a barrel or stealing candy from a baby. ..
I am right now in Angeles and every day I figured out dozen of bars to find an attractive women to spend the night with. So far, after 5 days, it didn't worked out well.
It's my third time here. First time was about 1 1/2 year ago in February 2015.
Back then I felt impressed of the beauty of so many girls. I visited only 3 big bars and felt somehow overwhelmed by the impression of so many sexy girls on a small stage in Dollhouse and Atlantis.
But even my first experience with a girl in 2015 was disappointing. I failed to ask her if she does blowjob. Even so she told me that she was working for more then two years she behaved quite inexperienced compared with girls of the same age (23) and job background I know from Germany.
But I came back and gave myself more time. Next time I was in Angeles for about 10 days. This was in December 2015. Even then I realized a change. The girls were no more that attractive as in my first time. And it becomes difficult to get a really attractive girl to barfine. Many girls told me that they had menstruation or that they are cherry girls. Regarding to my high expectations I chose only three girls. All bad experiences. Again I observed that the Asian girls don't really know how to touch a man. The blowjobs were horrible. Sometimes it even hurts when they try to make a handjob. With any of the girls I felt very uncomfortable after a short time and was released when they were gone after two hours.
But I tried it again. And now I am here. Most of the girls in the clubs are not really attractive. If they are have a certain sex appeal they behave like little princesses. No I don't go out with customers, no, sorry, I can't, I have another customer waiting for me, oh, I am sorry, I still have a little bit of my menstruation. Some of the more attractive girls show obvious coldness against men from western countries. They don't want to risk their business with the customers from Asia, especially Korea. All in all it's easy to feel like a second class client in Angeles now.
I am talking about the really attractive ladies, which are a few anyway. Of course there are many girls of average look or below who are happy to find a foreigner.
Have to say from my experience most Angeles and Papanga bargirls are very internet savvy, in fact some won't put their smart phones down for a second.
Those very few that do not own a smart phone then internet access is but a couple of pesos per hour, take a look in any angeles internet shop and you will not find an empty seat for bar girls keeping in touch with punters and family.On my bar fines if they're doing something stupid I'll tell them to quit it. That includes playing w / their phones. I'm paying for their time and they are going.
To give me their full attention and like it. Lead and they will follow is my mo.
NapaSlapper
08-20-16, 01:52
I am right now in Angeles and every day I figured out dozen of bars to find an attractive women to spend the night with. So far, after 5 days, it didn't worked out well.
It's my third time here. First time was about 1 1/2 year ago in February 2015.
Back then I felt impressed of the beauty of so many girls. I visited only 3 big bars and felt somehow overwhelmed by the impression of so many sexy girls on a small stage in Dollhouse and Atlantis.
But even my first experience with a girl in 2015 was disappointing. I failed to ask her if she does blowjob. Even so she told me that she was working for more then two years she behaved quite inexperienced compared with girls of the same age (23) and job background I know from Germany.
But I came back and gave myself more time. Next time I was in Angeles for about 10 days. This was in December 2015. Even then I realized a change. The girls were no more that attractive as in my first time. And it becomes difficult to get a really attractive girl to barfine. Many girls told me that they had menstruation or that they are cherry girls. Regarding to my high expectations I chose only three girls. All bad experiences. Again I observed that the Asian girls don't really know how to touch a man. The blowjobs were horrible. Sometimes it even hurts when they try to make a handjob..Very good and truthful post, exactly what I and so many others reporting on most Angeles based monger boards are finding.
I am right now in Angeles and every day I figured out dozen of bars to find an attractive women to spend the night with. So far, after 5 days, it didn't worked out well.
It's my third time here. First time was about 1 1/2 year ago in February 2015.
Back then I felt impressed of the beauty of so many girls. I visited only 3 big bars and felt somehow overwhelmed by the impression of so many sexy girls on a small stage in Dollhouse and Atlantis.
But even my first experience with a girl in 2015 was disappointing. I failed to ask her if she does blowjob. Even so she told me that she was working for more then two years she behaved quite inexperienced compared with girls of the same age (23) and job background I know from Germany.
But I came back and gave myself more time. Next time I was in Angeles for about 10 days. This was in December 2015..I was there last April and everyday was excellent. I did knock my expectations for hotties down mainly because there are not a lot of really beautiful women there. Anyone who says there are 9's and 10's in AC needs glasses. An 80 year old monger thinks they're all 10's so there is a subjectivity based on who's doing the rating.
I think the TR above is an aberration and it's too bad because the guy sounds like a real nice guy. The majority of TRs on AC are of guys having a lot of fun. There is a timing aspect of mongering in AC, certain times during the year dancers will return home. And sometimes a monger will visit when the rotation of dancers isn't that strong.
I find that modern AC is full of 6's or less, maybe 10 percent of the women working the bars are really cute or good looking. They are harder to bar fine because they have multiple offers per shift so if you are not attractive to them for one reason or the other they will find a way to say they can't. This happens to everyone except a minority of mongers. I am sure even the K dudes are politely declined sometimes but in general they have the inside track w / the prettiest AC has to offer.
If you want the best lookers w / out any excuses I find Burgos Street to be the best place. It is expensive but the bars on Burgos treat everyone the same, the ladies there will never say K only.
As for mongering in AC, BKK, Patts, if you don't look good to the hot ones they are going to say no. Water seeks its own level, that's what I find myself doing and there are a lot of really cute 6's in AC.
I won't bother posting the proof. Westie is the only one who appreciates my photos. Good luck Shrek.
On my bar fines if they're doing something stupid I'll tell them to quit it. That includes playing w / their phones. I'm paying for their time and they are going.
To give me their full attention and like it. Lead and they will follow is my mo.I am not really this harsh but the obsession w / their phones I take a hard line with. I don't need their full attention every minute we're together. I enjoy the company of AC bar girls, it's a great place to have some easy going fun.
Hello everyone!
I was thinking to go AC, I'd go from Europe, it seems that a lot of people go first Manila and then ride by road to AC, but I've seen that the flights bound for Clark don't cost much more than to Manila, besides the cost of the ride. Then my question. Worth flying bound for Manila?
On the other hand. I've seen some videos of clubs in AC where the bar girls mimes to indicate that they swallow, I'd like to know if they really swallow or it's only a way to call attention. , Other thing. If the best girls in AC are rejecting western guys. Maybe should I go better to Pattaya? Or. Other place in the area?
All answers and advice will be appreciated.
Regards.
StudBucket
08-20-16, 23:18
Hello everyone!
I was thinking to go AC, I'd go from Europe, it seems that a lot of people go first Manila and then ride by road to AC, but I've seen that the flights bound for Clark don't cost much more than to Manila, besides the cost of the ride. Then my question. Worth flying bound for Manila?
On the other hand. I've seen some videos of clubs in AC where the bar girls mimes to indicate that they swallow, I'd like to know if they really swallow or it's only a way to call attention. , Other thing. If the best girls in AC are rejecting western guys. Maybe should I go better to Pattaya? Or. Other place in the area?
All answers and advice will be appreciated.
Regards.It does make sense to fly into Manila first as you will have much more flight options, and why not spend at least 2 nights checking out the bars on Burgos St. Or Havana cafe? You will have much less choices flying to Clark Airport. Looking just a few minutes ago online, I saw flights from Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris during Novermber for only 395 pounds or 465 euros with short flying times. The airlines was Air China and has 1 stop in Hong Kong, with total flight time of about 16 hours on the outbound and 20 hours on the return. Of course, prices will vary depending on what month you depart and where in Europe you are. You can get Uber from Makati to AC for about 1500 to 1800 pesos, or negotiate with a taxi for about 2 k pesos. There are always a few taxi drivers that look for passengers going to AC, they can be found in across the street from the Best Western Oxford and in front of Dimples Bar. Happy Hunting in the Philippines, you will love it. Make sure to spend more time in AC, and if you do go to Makati, its best from Thursday to Saturday, so would land on those days if possible and then hit AC.
StudBucket
08-20-16, 23:25
I was there last April and everyday was excellent. I did knock my expectations for hotties down mainly because there are not a lot of really beautiful women there. Anyone who says there are 9's and 10's in AC needs glasses. An 80 year old monger thinks they're all 10's so there is a subjectivity based on who's doing the rating.
I think the TR above is an aberration and it's too bad because the guy sounds like a real nice guy. The majority of TRs on AC are of guys having a lot of fun. There is a timing aspect of mongering in AC, certain times during the year dancers will return home. And sometimes a monger will visit when the rotation of dancers isn't that strong.
I find that modern AC is full of 6's or less, maybe 10 percent of the women working the bars are really cute or good looking. They are harder to bar fine because they have multiple offers per shift so if you are not attractive to them for one reason or the other they will find a way to say they can't. This happens to everyone except a minority of mongers. I am sure even the K dudes are politely declined sometimes but in general they have the inside track w / the prettiest AC has to offer.
If you want the best lookers w / out any excuses I find Burgos Street to be the best place. It is expensive but the bars on Burgos treat everyone the same, the ladies there will never say K only.
As for mongering in AC, BKK, Patts, if you don't look good to the hot ones they are going to say no. Water seeks its own level, that's what I find myself doing and there are a lot of really cute 6's in AC.
I won't bother posting the proof. Westie is the only one who appreciates my photos. Good luck Shrek.
I am not really this harsh but the obsession w / their phones I take a hard line with. I don't need their full attention every minute we're together. I enjoy the company of AC bar girls, it's a great place to have some easy going fun.I think this is a very good post from Socker. Don't go to AC expecting to find a bunch of 7's, 8's, and 9's. You must lower your expectations somewhat but realize you have so many other good variables such as price, quantity of girls and ease of getting laid, ability to go to tons of bars here. I would add that I don't know of other cities in Asia that don't also have their share of 5's, 6's, and 7's. Thailand is filled with tons of older massage girls, mediocre girls, etc as well although you can find more 7's and 8's than you would in AC but not by a longshot. Just my opinion. I think South America (Colombia, Costa Rica, Brazil) has better quality women than AC but are nowhere near as fun as Philippines or Thailand due to fewer women, higher prices, less nightlife options, etc.
StudBucket
08-21-16, 00:20
Very good and truthful post, exactly what I and so many others reporting on most Angeles based monger boards are finding.
Totally disagree that you imply AC is going downhill. If this is case, where is the "golden land" city in the world filled with young, beautiful, good attitude women if AC is so terrible? You seem to be so jaded with AC, yet you manage to make it your primary hub for mongering, therefore your remarks about this city make me skeptical about your true opinion of it.
Lastly, if my list of bars and restaurants is not accurate, share your wisdom please with the board where the best AC bars and restaurants are ? I did like your post regarding recommending having a Facebook account and linking with the bar girls, I never thought of this.
AC is still one of the top 5 mongering destinations in the world hands down for our hobby although there is nothing to really do there besides that. Having read a lot on this forum and visited many cities for mongering, the consensus of this board is service is going downhill, prices up, etc.in most mongering cities when compared years ago thanks to the internet, spoiling of women, and cost of living adjustments.
Member #4698
08-21-16, 00:41
The basic comp quality of smaller AC bars is Soi 6 bars. But then AC is much larger than Soi 6 with more bars and a lot more girls. I am very sure that I could find some sexy cute, accommodating girls in AC if I tore myself away from Makati and went looking for them and was willing to spend the right amount of money to get them. It would still be cheaper than an average night out on Burgos.
On the other hand, Soi 6 is a small street in Pattaya and when I usually do not find a girl to my liking on Soi 6, I can easily jump on a baht bus going down Beach Road and wind up in a Walking Street Go Go where the quality possibilities are better, but prices are 3 X as high.
The reason I like to travel around is because I enjoy girls of different Asian flavors (nationalities) and I know you can find quality all over. But don't let anybody fool you: 80% of the Pattaya Walking Street Go Go girls are 5's and 6's too just like AC only different. Its the top 15% of the girls that interest me whether I am in AC, Pat, Manila (yeah), BKK (yeah), or Jakarta (yeah). Cheap, high quality, Asian girls are getting rarer and rarer to find everywhere, but high quality still exists and that is the truth.
Member #4558
08-21-16, 03:00
Hello everyone!
I was thinking to go AC, I'd go from Europe, it seems that a lot of people go first Manila and then ride by road to AC, but I've seen that the flights bound for Clark don't cost much more than to Manila, besides the cost of the ride. Then my question. Worth flying bound for Manila?
On the other hand. I've seen some videos of clubs in AC where the bar girls mimes to indicate that they swallow, I'd like to know if they really swallow or it's only a way to call attention. , Other thing. If the best girls in AC are rejecting western guys. Maybe should I go better to Pattaya? Or. Other place in the area?
All answers and advice will be appreciated.
Regards.Emirates and Qatar take you to CRK / AC directly. Since you don't enlighten us where in Europe you live chances are you live close to an airport where EK or QR fly from. If this is the case you can make it with only stop in Dubai or Doha instead of travel first to Paris and then via somewhere in China or Hong Kong. You can maybe save a buck or two but that is because the more stops you have to make the cheaper the price will be (its not attractive for most people, that's why). More stops also increases chances your luggage ends up at a different location than you.
NapaSlapper
08-21-16, 04:18
Totally disagree that you imply AC is going downhill. If this is case, where is the "golden land" city in the world filled with young, beautiful, good attitude women if AC is so terrible? You seem to be so jaded with AC, yet you manage to make it your primary hub for mongering, therefore your remarks about this city make me skeptical about your true opinion of it.
Lastly, if my list of bars and restaurants is not accurate, share your wisdom please with the board where the best AC bars and restaurants are ? I did like your post regarding recommending having a Facebook account and linking with the bar girls, I never thought of this.
AC is still one of the top 5 mongering destinations in the world hands down for our hobby although there is nothing to really do there besides that. Having read a lot on this forum and visited many cities for mongering, the consensus of this board is service is going downhill, prices up, etc.in most mongering cities when compared years ago thanks to the internet, spoiling of women, and cost of living adjustments.Studbucket,
Everyone has their opinion and I am happy you find angeles to your taste.
But just because angeles is to your taste does not make it a good destination for others.
For me it is probably one of the worst destinations to find the type of girls I am attracted to, I am not interested in the slightest in 5, 6.7's, not even if they were paying me.
As I and so many have said I find the guys that like angeles like it for one reason and one reason alone, bareback sex, which is mainly only available in angeles and are willing to lower their girl looks, body shape considerably to be able to enjoy their goals.
As for naming good restaurants in angeles there are none, the food is just OK in a very few upmarket restaurants but at very high prices, the rest I would call not edible.
As for bars, probably only the dhg of bars have the type of girls I would choose and then there is only a tiny percentage of these type girls in each bar.
The problem with having so few attractive girls is that everyone likes and chases these few girls (especially the Koreans) which gives the girls the princess syndrome.
The way the drinks commissions are designed gives the girl almost 150 pesos per drink in commission so popular girls can earn many many drinks which equals large money all without having to fuck anyone, why would guys visit bars where the good looking girls do not often want to fuck for a living.
As for why do I visit angeles, well studbucket as you are a fairly new member and may have not seen my countless posts on why I travel to angeles, it has nothing to do with the availability of good food or willing stunners, I have a branch of my business there and also close family ties there, if not for both I can assure you angeles would be the last place on earth I would visit, years ago yes, angeles was a great destination, no reason to visit now unless one likes bareback IMHO.
As far as other Asian destinations that offer available good looking girls with no bullshit attached, excellent cheap food, a safer environment, many things to do in the day, much cheaper hotels etc then read the forums, its all there to read about.
The basic comp quality of smaller AC bars is Soi 6 bars. But then AC is much larger than Soi 6 with more bars and a lot more girls. I am very sure that I could find some sexy cute, accommodating girls in AC if I tore myself away from Makati and went looking for them and was willing to spend the right amount of money to get them. It would still be cheaper than an average night out on Burgos.
On the other hand, Soi 6 is a small street in Pattaya and when I usually do not find a girl to my liking on Soi 6, I can easily jump on a baht bus going down Beach Road and wind up in a Walking Street Go Go where the quality possibilities are better, but prices are 3 X as high.
The reason I like to travel around is because I enjoy girls of different Asian flavors (nationalities) and I know you can find quality all over. But don't let anybody fool you: 80% of the Pattaya Walking Street Go Go girls are 5's and 6's too just like AC only different. Its the top 15% of the girls that interest me whether I am in AC, Pat, Manila (yeah), BKK (yeah), or Jakarta (yeah). Cheap, high quality, Asian girls are getting rarer and rarer to find everywhere, but high quality still exists and that is the truth.Natty bro, AC is really separate from Thailand, like day and night. Manila, Cebu (IMO) can compete w / Thai gogo quality but not in the supply of quality. I've spent a fair number of weeks (recently) working Bangkok, Pattaya and even Udon Thani bars and everywhere I went 3 out of 4 sessions (or attempted sessions) the Thai ladies had too many fucking rules and in the gogos too arrogant to even look my way. Now I am 64 and maybe look 56 but their is discrimination on many fronts. If you're not K or J or if you're older, etc. Etc. You're out. No pretty pussy for you!
I am talking about the prettiest women whether they're in the Thermae or in Crazy House they are stuck up bitches for the most part. They have the power and they will do what they want and when they want to do it. There are time limits on the bar fine (2 hrs), there are hidden additional cost after you agree to bar fine as in extra LDs (Doll House, Soi Cowboy) and then the dancer's rules. No pics, even the most innocent selfie is a no no. Not even GFE in many cases w / mid tier gogo dancers!! The best looking dancers will not even look at me in Thailand. I'm not a bad looking guy either. No, they want an easy night w / a K or J that is happy just to get a peck on the cheek. And throws money around. They see me as a lot of work and what if I am. Today they are very sophisticated and able to pick and choose and now I'm not in their demographic LOL.
So you can compare Thailand w / Manila or Cebu and those cities are a drop in the bucket compared to BKK or Pattaya. The numbers are not close but the quality is in both countries. AC does not have anything close to Thailand in visual quality or Manila / Cebu for that matter.
AC is an island of no rules w / charming cute little women that are typical filipinas. They love to please men and that's what they know how to do, they are not jaded or spoiled. They will give you their company for as long as you want them (no rules) w / in reason of course. This kind of service is not available from their big city counterparts and it is certainly not available in Thailand w 70% of the dancers you might employ. There are exceptions in Thailand and you have more skill and patience than I but for the most part they will not be seeing my greenbacks too much, I much prefer a buyers market. So in my view there is no comparison w / AC and BKK / Pattaya etc.
Thailand has the highest percentage of beautiful women I have encountered anywhere but that just makes it more disappointing that I have to settle for the crumbs because it's a sellers market and the inmates (dancers) run the asylum. I wish the women there had half the heart the Filipinos have.
I'll be in AC in a couple of weeks and will post a TR. AC isn't perfect by any means but it fits my style of mongering so much more. I like to spend time w / my BF and have fun into the night, no clock, no rules except mine. I get all that and more in AC. Thank you God.
Cheers Bro, AC is different.
StudBucket
08-21-16, 07:23
Studbucket,
Everyone has their opinion and I am happy you find angeles to your taste.
But just because angeles is to your taste does not make it a good destination for others.
For me it is probably one of the worst destinations to find the type of girls I am attracted to, I am not interested in the slightest in 5, 6.7's, not even if they were paying me.
As I and so many have said I find the guys that like angeles like it for one reason and one reason alone, bareback sex, which is mainly only available in angeles and are willing to lower their girl looks, body shape considerably to be able to enjoy their goals.
All the top notch girls in Thailand, Philippines, will be edgy and have princess syndrome due to Euros, Americans, Js and Ks spoiling them, sending them money, etc, but at the end of the day , they are just hookers selling their goods and I am the king.
The problem with having so few attractive girls is that everyone likes and chases these few girls (especially the Koreans) which gives the girls the princess syndrome.
As for why do I visit angeles, well studbucket as you are a fairly new member and may have not seen my countless posts on why I travel to angeles, it has nothing to do with the availability of good food or willing stunners, I have a branch of my business there and also close family ties there, if not for both I can assure you angeles would be the last place on earth I would visit, years ago yes, angeles was a great destination, no reason to visit now unless one likes bareback IMHO.
As far as other Asian destinations that offer available good looking girls with no bullshit attached, excellent cheap food, a safer environment, many things to do in the day, much cheaper hotels etc then read the forums, its all there to read about.Like Natty says if you have game, style, and weed through the masses (yes it is some work) in any city, you can find gems anywhere. And we (Natty and I) both agree that there are plenty of 5's, 6,s and 7 s in Thailand, Indonesia, and other mongering destinations in Asia.
Okay I respect your reason now and understand why you are in Angeles due to your business. I have my own successful business as well in the States yet I manage to travel to many destinations all over the world. I look at your past posts and all of them are in Angeles; so how can you say the forums, boards, are full of much better destinations when you have not been there? It does not make sense for you to be so authorative to compare AC to other destinations when you have been to so few apparently nor posted any reports on any other cities. I will leave the comparisons and value the opinions of those that have been to many other destinations, it is certainly not you or I yet.
Again, I've read all the posts on the mongering destinations and have been to the top ones, been there done that. Still don't agree, when you deal with hookers, you will get "bullshit attached", not just in AC. And as far as restaurants, yes I agree, AC has shitty choice of restaurants and food sucks. I only gave recommendations because if you had to pick your poison, those are the best of the worst.
Your thread about the Koreans spoiling the women is absolutely correct, but this has also happened in Thailand with the Japanese. Many other destinations have been ruined years ago by allowing the "inmates to run the assylum" (paying their high prices, spoiling them, buying them lady drinks, and not knowing where to draw the line.
Lastly, my friends and I are decent looking guys, we don't just go to AC for bareback sex. If I want to partake in bareback sex, believe me, I have no challenge getting it in Pattaya, Jakarta, and even Bangkok. I am a good looking successful guy in his late thirties, so I guess that helps.
Please, I am not trying to sell you on liking AC, I respect your opinion, but stop saying that all guys just go there for bareback sex; this is a ridiculous and somewhat offensive. Maybe for the cheap and easy factor, point and shoot aspect, yes. I don't have great challenges find gems here and coupled with the added bonus of price, service level, it's still one of the best destinations for me.
Peace Out
Studbucket,
As I and so many have said I find the guys that like angeles like it for one reason and one reason alone, bareback sex, which is mainly only available in angeles and are willing to lower their girl looks, body shape considerably to be able to enjoy their goals.More fun from Napa. Barebacking is "mainly only available" in AC.
I guess you haven't been anywhere besides AC. That's too bad. Well I'll let you in on a little secret, no one's around so I can tell you, guys and gals are barebacking everywhere Napa. Yes, in Thailand, in the Philippines (Everywhere), in Mexico, in Colombia ETC! Even in Barcelona!
For the record I have never lowered my girl looks, but then I don't pretend I'm a girl. Next time when I dress up I put something lower on, just for you. How's that?
Man the prolific posters on this board (Napa) should get a clue before they help us less fortunate mongers out. Backdoor insults are uncool so live your own life and let us live ours w / out the irrational gibberish.
Okay?
Lets get back to current ground intel on AC. Napa, take a breather please.
Studbucket,
For me it is probably one of the worst destinations to find the type of girls I am attracted to, I am not interested in the slightest in 5, 6.7's, not even if they were paying me.Napa is right! Do not go to AC! There are just a bunch of skanks there.
I hate AC. Every time I visit it, lets me down. Every time. The food sucks, the infrastructure sucks, the whole city sucks. There are more and more girls with jolibellies, stanky pussies and flat asses. But, I'll be there again in Sept. Because the price is right and among all those jolibellies there will be some gems. The gems seem harder to get now. Seems like there are less and less of them every year I go back. Can't beat the communication. Sometimes, you want to talk to them. Nothing too deep though, I enjoy stories about their past antics with other mongers. Its like listening to reality TV. So I hate AC. Every time I tell myself, things will be better, they'll be new girls. Word will spread about proper hygiene and the right way to wear those bikini bottoms without it squeezing their butt cheeks together. I get there, bar hop, and yeah, I'll see a few 8-9's around. Those beautiful girls keep giving me the motivation to check out AC just one more time. After banging them I remember why I hate this place and fly out to Pattaya.
NapaSlapper
08-21-16, 10:03
Like Natty says if you have game, style, and weed through the masses (yes it is some work) in any city, you can find gems anywhere. And we (Natty and I) both agree that there are plenty of 5's, 6,s and 7 s in Thailand, Indonesia, and other mongering destinations in Asia.
Okay I respect your reason now and understand why you are in Angeles due to your business. I have my own successful business as well in the States yet I manage to travel to many destinations all over the world. I look at your past posts and all of them are in Angeles; so how can you say the forums, boards, are full of much better destinations when you have not been there? It does not make sense for you to be so authorative to compare AC to other destinations when you have been to so few apparently nor posted any reports on any other cities. I will leave the comparisons and value the opinions of those that have been to many other destinations, it is certainly not you or I yet.
Again, I've read all the posts on the mongering destinations and have been to the top ones, been there done that. Still don't agree, when you deal with hookers, you will get "bullshit attached", not just in AC. And as far as restaurants, yes I agree, AC has shitty choice of restaurants and food sucks. I only gave recommendations because if you had to pick your poison, those are the best of the worst.
Your thread about the Koreans spoiling the women is absolutely correct, but this has also happened in Thailand with the Japanese. Many other destinations have been ruined years ago by allowing the "inmates to run the assylum" (paying their high prices, spoiling them, buying them lady drinks, and not knowing where to draw the line.
Lastly, my friends and I are decent looking guys, we don't just go to AC for bareback sex. If I want to partake in bareback sex, believe me, I have no challenge getting it in Pattaya, Jakarta, and even Bangkok. I am a good looking successful guy in his late thirties, so I guess that helps.
Please, I am not trying to sell you on liking AC, I respect your opinion, but stop saying that all guys just go there for bareback sex; this is a ridiculous and somewhat offensive. Maybe for the cheap and easy factor, point and shoot aspect, yes. I don't have great challenges find gems here and coupled with the added bonus of price, service level, it's still one of the best destinations for me.
Peace OutThanks for your input.
You obviously have not been a member of this board long enough or have not bothered to read some of my earlier trip reports and comments.
I not so long ago wrote a very long piece comparing angeles to pattaya, Bangkok, Jakarta, China, vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, yes I have travelled and mongered in all these destinations so might know just a little.
I fully agree that if one is not fussy what one fucks or lowers his expectations considerably in angeles then girls can be had easily, its just not for me, and far inferior to many nearby destinations on so many counts.
As far as not so good looking girls in other destinations I fully agree not all girls are stunners but I would go on to say that even the best looking angeles girls would not have a chance of employment in bars outside of angeles.
As I said and many have agreed in the past a big % of angeles visitors / board members admit freely that if bareback sex were not available in angeles they would not visit, many of my own friend love angeles because of this 1 fact, it may not be your cup of tea but it is for a majority of guys.
You claim that you are a young, good looking, successful busness owner, I am then at a loss as to why you are travelling all the way to angeles city to fuck 5/6's at great cost when a guy like you should be able to get laid by 8/9's in his own country probably without payment, if it its because you like pinays then most countries have many young, good looking pinays working / living there a young good looking successful busness owner can tap into.
Maybe there is much more to the story you are not telling us.
Smoky Jack
08-21-16, 11:15
Please, I am not trying to sell you on liking AC, I respect your opinion, but stop saying that all guys just go there for bareback sex; this is a ridiculous and somewhat offensive. Maybe for the cheap and easy factor, point and shoot aspect, yes. I don't have great challenges find gems here and coupled with the added bonus of price, service level, it's still one of the best destinations for me.
Peace OutAgree. I like the fact that they speak English and are really friendly and provide GFE, and you can swap out girls if they are not to your liking in bed with only a $50 USD penalty. If you want hotter girls you can go to Manila. I have been to both places and prefer AC for it's adult disneyland type atmosphere. To each his own.
I hate AC. Every time I visit it, lets me down. Every time. The food sucks, the infrastructure sucks, the whole city sucks. There are more and more girls with jolibellies, stanky pussies and flat asses. But, I'll be there again in Sept. Because the price is right and among all those jolibellies there will be some gems. The gems seem harder to get now. Seems like there are less and less of them every year I go back. Can't beat the communication. Sometimes, you want to talk to them. Nothing too deep though, I enjoy stories about their past antics with other mongers. Its like listening to reality TV. So I hate AC. Every time I tell myself, things will be better, they'll be new girls. Word will spread about proper hygiene and the right way to wear those bikini bottoms without it squeezing their butt cheeks together. I get there, bar hop, and yeah, I'll see a few 8-9's around. Those beautiful girls keep giving me the motivation to check out AC just one more time. After banging them I remember why I hate this place and fly out to Pattaya.Unbelievable as it is nowadays it is cheaper to have short time Indian in UK than Pinay in Angeles. But this is result of all men paying without bargaining. Pinays are sweet till you know them and then they become so wrong in every level.
Perimeter bars although seedy still offer lot of fun.
Smoky Jack
08-21-16, 11:21
Hello everyone!
I was thinking to go AC, I'd go from Europe, it seems that a lot of people go first Manila and then ride by road to AC, but I've seen that the flights bound for Clark don't cost much more than to Manila, besides the cost of the ride. Then my question. Worth flying bound for Manila?
On the other hand. I've seen some videos of clubs in AC where the bar girls mimes to indicate that they swallow, I'd like to know if they really swallow or it's only a way to call attention. , Other thing. If the best girls in AC are rejecting western guys. Maybe should I go better to Pattaya? Or. Other place in the area?
All answers and advice will be appreciated.
Regards.Depends how hard you want to work. I think the whole process of landing in Manila and getting to your hotel, then getting around to Burgos / Malate / wherever in Manila is a pain in the ass. Nothing like having all the bars in one area and walking back with your babe for the night. Manila has hotter chicks but more expensive for sure--but still cheaper than almost anywhere. Worth checking out if you have the time and don't mind the hassle.
I think the whole process of landing in Manila and getting to your hotel, then getting around to Burgos / Malate / wherever in Manila is a pain in the as..I've not experienced that process, but from I have head from Manila I was thinking the same.
Thanks.
Smoky Jack
08-21-16, 14:00
Hi guys,
I was visiting the Philippines (Subic & Olongapo) last year due to work. I am kind of old school guy so believe it or not I was with the first girl I meet the whole stay.
Yes there was plenty of times I saw a lot of nicer girls and was thinking about dumping her, but she was really GF, she went with for dinner every night, shopping, Gocart, waterworld bla. Bla.
I meet her the first night in a bar so I had to pay barfine 1500 P and I gave here 500 P tip cause she stayed until the next morning, this went on for a few nights, but then I found out that I just BF here for LT. So paid the bar 1500 P for a week and I paid the girl 1000 P for each night, and then she stayed with me the hole they & night. Some of you guys must think I am stupid, with all those girls, but I don't regret it, she was really worth it.
So too the point. Is there a chance to find a girl bar-girl in AC who will do the same, or are they just looking for LD & ST. And will it possible for the same amount of Pesos, course I think it was a pretty good deal.
I am going to AC in the end of this month so I am hoping to have the same experience.
BTW, I know my language skills is not the best, sorry for that.Lots of girls are willing to go places with you. If they are supposed to be working they will need to be barfined. They can't just leave the bar for a week. Obviously if you don't click they won't but you probably wouldn't want to take such a girl somewhere.
At the end of my cherry trip to AC, I met a great girl from ponytails and we kept in touch. The next time I saw her exclusively but had to barfine her every day except her day off. She is still the best girl I have ever had in AC. In fact it was so GFE it really blurred the lines and I saw her exclusively for a couple more trips with zero regrets. I took her to Borocay one time and it was like a honeymoon, except better than my real one lmaoo.
On my most recent trip in February I barfined a doorgirl from Brown Sugar for two days and she wanted to go to Baguio or Puerto Galera with me. If they like you it's a great vacation for them and they don't have to hustle every night. Common sense would tell you to get to know her a bit before taking the risk.
PolyOrchid
08-21-16, 14:31
As I and so many have said I find the guys that like angeles like it for one reason and one reason alone, bareback sex, which is mainly only available in angeles.Hey Napa Slapper,
With all due respect, I find bareback sex available all over Phils, without even asking. I lived there (Dumaguete and Cebu) for two years and have traveled a bit. I agree with your assessment of Angeles, but only been there once.
But, hey, different strokes for different blokes. But, I will agree with the Tourism Board: It's more fun in the Philippines.
Peace out, brother.
Member #4698
08-21-16, 16:29
Cheers Bro, AC is different.I am glad to hear this. I haven't been back to AC in a couple of years, not because I had a bad time or "could not find charming cute little women" there, on the contrary, I had some great times in AC and I fondly remember two very cute cousins from the former One Eyed Wench bar I had the pleasure of and several Burgos quality hotties that I hooked up with from Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile or whatever that bar is now called) and some other Fields bars. But the main reason I haven't returned recently to AC is because of the even better ie sexier, more wild, less inhibited, yet more GFE girls I currently have in Manila. Like I said in an earlier post, it is hard for me to tear myself away from my Burgos girls. For example, I am planning to take Susan and Maggie on a holiday beach vacation to Palawan on my next visit. The three of us may raise some eyebrows from the hotel staff on our quiet secluded beach, but I don't care. I love my girls, LOL, and I find two is better than one because of the virtues of menage a trois obviously, but also because the girls can amuse themselves whenever I wish to relax and take some time off. Ha Ha.
AC is an island of no rules w / charming cute little women that are typical filipinas. They love to please men and that's what they know how to do, they are not jaded or spoiled. They will give you their company for as long as you want them (no rules) w / in reason of course. This kind of service is not available from their big city counterparts and it is certainly not available in Thailand w 70% of the dancers you might employ. There are exceptions in Thailand and you have more skill and patience than I but for the most part they will not be seeing my greenbacks too much, I much prefer a buyers market. So in my view there is no comparison w / AC and BKK / Pattaya etc.I agree with you that AC is a unique kind of place. I figure this is due to historical reasons going back to the relationship the bars originally had servicing Clark Airforce base even before WW2, the EWR setup which is very different from everywhere else except Subic, and to where the girls originally come from. The bar raids of a couple of years ago also had an influence, albeit a negative one. But I am glad to hear from you that AC is still really good. I want to go back, but that will have to wait until the trip after the one coming up. I have already booked two weeks in Manila plus that little side trip I mentioned to Palawan with the girls. I am also going to spend another 4 weeks in BKK. What can I say? I have really good times there although I freely admit that my top two girls going back three trips now were from Manila. I am also going to do a short visa run to Phnom Penh. I am looking forward to seeing my favorite Khmer hostess girl again. It has been two years since I last saw her. She is a real sweetie as well as an amazing pool hustler. And lastly I will be doing another 2-week stint in Jakarta. I love Indonesian girls. They have beautiful faces and their bodies seem more voluptuous and naturally endowed than their Thai cousins. Yet they offer a GFE more similar to the Filipina experience although Indo girls seem more exotic to me than Filipinas due to the language barrier and cultural differences. You owe it to yourself to check out Jakarta before it gets ruined.
I'll be in AC in a couple of weeks and will post a TR. AC isn't perfect by any means but it fits my style of mongering so much more. I like to spend time w / my BF and have fun into the night, no clock, no rules except mine. I get all that and more in AC. Thank you God.I look forward to hearing about your next AC trip. I have seen some pictures of your girls and they look very sexy to me. I think we share similar overlapping tastes in girls. I don't know why you have had bad luck in BKK or Pattaya, but it doesn't matter. We all have our preferences in the places where we like to punt. In my future trip after the one coming up shortly, I plan to finally go on my Luzon Road Trip. It will start and end in AC and I will take my time driving up to Pagudpud stopping off in couple of towns along the way to take a break and to sample the local bar scenes. I am not expecting Burgos quality, but I think I might find some good time girls along the way. Ha Ha.
So stay thirsty and have a great trip.
NB.
Blanquiceleste
08-21-16, 16:53
I too am just back from another Angeles trip so we were probably there at the same time.
I would love to hear more detail on what you found so great in your list of must visit go go bars, like.
Are the girls attractive, tall, slim, no baby, no cherry girls, no drinks only girls, no Korean only girls, no bait and switch girls.
Are all girls willing to barfine, are they all willing to stay LT, are there no runners.
Are the girls not demanding 3 k ($65 us) bar fines, with some demanding 4 k bar fines ($85 us), have the girls stopped ordering dld as standard 300 p ($6.5 us).
I have visited most bars on your list and the last thing I would describe them as is must visit, great attitude girls or good value.
As for restaurants.
Kokomos and Phillies have got to be my least liked places to eat, probably most peoples least liked places to eat going by the severe lack of customers.
I will agree that Kokomos is a central spot for a beer and to people watch, that's if you can keep the ladyboys, beggars and Viagra sellers from constantly harassing one.
I would also fully agree that ABC hotel has reasonably OK food but at 1st world prices and above.Agree 100% about the food. Disagree about the bars and women.
NapaSlapper
08-21-16, 17:09
Agree 100% about the food. Disagree about the bars and women.As you have previously stated that you travel to angeles for sheer numbers (notches on your bed post) and are not fussed about quality then of course you would disagree, did not expect anything else.
Try going for the better looking girls and then report back how much you disagree with my observations.
StudBucket
08-21-16, 18:07
I am glad to hear this. I haven't been back to AC in a couple of years, not because I had a bad time or "could not find charming cute little women" there, on the contrary, I had some great times in AC and I fondly remember two very cute cousins from the former One Eyed Wench bar I had the pleasure of and several Burgos quality hotties that I hooked up with from Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile or whatever that bar is now called) and some other Fields bars. But the main reason I haven't returned recently to AC is because of the even better ie sexier, more wild, less inhibited, yet more GFE girls I currently have in Manila. Like I said in an earlier post, it is hard for me to tear myself away from my Burgos girls.
NB.Natty, I'm curious what your strategy for meeting the girls of Burgos. Do you simply shell out the expensive bar fines, like 2,500 to 3500 pesos for only the bar fine plus the additional cost of the girl? So that means I am paying like 5-6,000 pesos all night plus my drinks on top of that. This is what kind of scares me away from Burgos. I have been there numerous times, and I refuse to pay over 3,000 pesos for all night with a girl in the Phils. So, when I am in Makati, I go to Burgos and convince a bar girl I like to come over to my room when she finishes work. The downside to this is I have to wait unitl 5 am for them to come over, and by then it becomes short time by default which I personally prefer LT. Also, I have had a few "no shows" employing this strategy as I presume they either got bar fined while I was sleeping (lol) or they simply wanted to go home being its so late. I really do want to like Manila more, but I find it so expensive on Burgos. So, what is your advice, specifically for making the Burgos scene work without shelling out all the glue ?
Member #4698
08-21-16, 20:31
Natty, I'm curious what your strategy for meeting the girls of Burgos. Do you simply shell out the expensive bar fines, like 2,500 to 3500 pesos for only the bar fine plus the additional cost of the girl? So that means I am paying like 5-6,000 pesos all night plus my drinks on top of that.Excellent question StudBucket. I agree with you that the Burgos Bar's Barfine is completely out of control. Plus it is killing business. The girls are the first to realize this. Thus whenever you have an economic situation where prices are set artificially too high without taking into account real supply and true demand forces, you create an environment where a grey market can come into existence and flourish. As I understand it, this grey market is now the current situation in Burgos Bars where the girls will go around the bar and see their REGULAR customers privately on their own. The mamasans are not stupid and must realize something is a tither whenever a popular girls does not show up at the bar for a week, but there is a sort of nod and a wink approach as long as the violation is not in the mamasan's face. So I paid my girls 4400 pesos each (including generous tips) for approximately 5 hours of their mutual time per session which included everything on my to do list including one shot per vagina. Dinner and drinks were always a part of our arrangement. The only time I paid the barfine at this bar was on my last night in town when I told the girls beforehand that I wanted to party at their bar and have a really good send off. They warned me it was going to be very expensive, but I told them I did not care. And boy did we have a party. And boy was it expensive with my two girls' barfine + a negotiated barfine and drinks for their DUFF (dumb ugly fat friend - just kidding) + a few shots for the mamasan (and she comped a few shots back to me) + small tip for the waitress and bartender + 4400 pesos each for my girls + 1000 pesos for their DUFF who I did not shag, but who blew me a few times anyway. It was the best night I have had in at least 4 or 5 years.
My best advice as to how to get into this type of relationship is to just let it happen organically on its own. Your idea of arranging after hour dates is a good one. You can also try to arrange an afternoon before work liaison as well. But if that approach does not work out, you can always do what I did which was to pay the full tab, barfine included, and take the girls out of the bar. Then once a friendly relationship has been established, it has been my experience with a number of different Burgos bar girls including the two I am currently running around with, that they will bring up the direct visits work around on their own in an effort to keep you on their books as a regular recurring customer. You don't have to see the girls EVERY night like I did, ha ha, but once or twice a week ought to provide enough incentive for the girls to make the offer. The Burgos bar girls I know all want customers! They are dying for lack of them due to the high fixed barfine. The key is you have to like repeating with the girl, a lot of punters are not into this, and you have to be willing to pay the full bill (barfine plus service) initially until you find a girl or girls that want to enter the grey market with you. Rogues Bar might be a good place to begin. It is a good no hassle bar and they have the least expensive barfine on Burgos of 1600 pesos last time I checked. Kojax is the hottest bar right now and its barfine is now 2900 pesos up from 2500 pesos in 2015. Girls usually want an equivalent amount for themselves so a Rogues girl will want 1600 or 1700 pesos while a Kojax girl will want 2900 or 3000 p and a Bottoms girl will want 3900 p. Always confer with the mamasan before you start buying rounds so it is understood how many lady Tequilas are included in the barfine.
I hope all this helps. I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.
StudBucket
08-21-16, 20:42
Excellent question StudBucket. I agree with you that the Burgos Bar's Barfine is completely out of control. Plus it is killing business. The girls are the first to realize this. Thus whenever you have an economic situation where prices are set artificially too high without taking into account real supply and true demand forces, you create an environment where a grey market can come into existence and flourish. As I understand it, this grey market is now the current situation in Burgos Bars where the girls will go around the bar and see their REGULAR customers privately on their own. The mamasans are not stupid and must realize something is a tither whenever a popular girls does not show up at the bar for a week, but there is a sort of nod and a wink approach as long as the violation is not in the mamasan's face. So I paid my girls 4400 pesos each (including generous tips) for approximately 5 hours of their mutual time per session which included everything on my to do list including one shot per vagina. Dinner and drinks were always a part of our arrangement. The only time I paid the barfine at this bar was on my last night in town when I told the girls beforehand that I wanted to party at their bar and have a really good send off. They warned me it was going to be very expensive, but I told them I did not care. And boy did we have a party. And boy was it expensive with my two girls' barfine + a negotiated barfine and drinks for their DUFF (dumb ugly fat friend - just kidding) + a few shots for the mamasan (and she comped a few shots back to me) + small tip for the waitress and bartender + 4400 pesos each for my girls + 1000 pesos for their DUFF who I did not shag, but who blew me a few times anyway. It was the best night I have had in at least 4 or 5 years.
My best advice as to how to get into this type of relationship is to just let it happen organically on its own. Your idea of arranging after hour dates is a good one. You can also try to arrange an afternoon before work liaison as well. But if that approach does not work out, you can always do what I did which was to pay the full tab, barfine included, and take the girls out of the bar. Then once a friendly relationship has been established, it has been my experience with a number of different Burgos bar girls including the two I am currently running around with, that they will bring up the direct visits work around on their own in an effort to keep me on their books as a regular recurring customer. You don't have to see the girls EVERY night like I did, ha ha, but once or twice a week ought to provide enough incentive for the girls to make the offer. The Burgos girls I know all want customers! The key is you have to like repeating with the girl, a lot of punters are not into this, and you have to be willing to pay to full bill (barfine plus service) initially until you find a girl or girls that want to enter the grey market with you. Rogues Bar might be a good place to begin. It is a good no hassle bar and they have the least expensive barfine on Burgos of 1600 pesos last time I checked. Kojax is the hottest bar right now and its barfine is now 2900 pesos up from 2500 pesos in 2015. Girls usually want an equivalent amount for themselves so a Rogues girl will want 1600 or 1700 pesos while a Kojax girl will want 2900 or 3000 p and a Bottoms girl will want 3900 p. Always confer with the mamas an before you start buying rounds so it is understood how many lady Tequilas are included in the barfine.
I hope all this helps. I look forward to hearing about your endeavors.Thanks Natty, I thought this may be the case (that you do have to bar fine them at least the first time to establish this type of arrangement) but its a great strategy if you spend more time in Manila/Makati. My problem is I am only passing through Makati for about 3 nights max before I hit AC for 10 to 14 days and I am only in the Phillies twice a year. I have bar fined girls from Rogues due to the attractive bar fine, but last time I was there in June, Rogues had very poor selection and small amount of girls. I walked into Kojax, and it was by far and away the best club (I did visit most of the other bars) qualitywise, and Bottoms was a distant second. Oh well, back to the drawing board for me in Makati.
SB.
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