Angeles City

[Socker]

I am glad to hear this. I haven't been back to AC in a couple of years, not because I had a bad time or "could not find charming cute little women" there, on the contrary, I had some great times in AC and I fondly remember two very cute cousins from the former One Eyed Wench bar I had the pleasure of and several Burgos quality hotties that I hooked up with from Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile or whatever that bar is now called) and some other Fields bars. But the main reason I haven't returned recently to AC is because of the even better ie sexier, more wild, less inhibited, yet more GFE girls I currently have in Manila. Like I said in an earlier post, it is hard for me to tear myself away from my Burgos girls. For example, I am planning to take Susan and Maggie on a holiday beach vacation to Palawan on my next visit. The three of us may raise some eyebrows from the hotel staff on our quiet secluded beach, but I don't care. I love my girls, LOL, and I find two is better than one because of the virtues of menage a trois obviously, but also because the girls can amuse themselves whenever I wish to relax and take some time off. Ha Ha.

I agree with you that AC is a unique kind of place..I'm sure the Fraidy Cats here would deem me, "the ugly", haha. I wouldn't argue with them either because the truth is ugly for most of them.

I dig your take on international mongering and have learned much from you polite information. I have had problems w / some here because they can't explain themselves w / out putting others down as was recently done.


Studbucket,

For me it is probably one of the worst destinations to find the type of girls I am attracted to, I am not interested in the slightest in 5, 6.7's, not even if they were paying me.The innuendo here is what I consider a backdoor insult. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so if I like a cute 6 and she's wonderful company, it's beneath some here. For me that's an insult.

I like to see proof but NS has none of his stellar taste in women to post here. A censored pic would be all it takes but he has none, zero.

I could cherry pick more backdoor slights but I'll leave it at that. I do think NS has good intentions but lacks tack in the above quote.

So Natty your trip sounds awesome and bringing your ladies to Palawan is going to be so much fun. I wish we could hook up but the timing is off.

As for the comparisons of AC and other places there just aren't any. But when I'm there in that poor little Las Vegas I am in awe of the locals. It's all about survival and pleasure which creates this interesting huge paradox.

I don't feel sorry for anyone there, or anywhere else in the world, there's so much to learn if you're human. Some / most people will never get it.

So what is it that makes AC so special for me is the raw world in which they survive and some thrive. After my 4 weeks in Thailand it was so refreshing to not be judged on my age, looks, or disposition. I am an American buyer of their services and that's all.

I look as many locals (I can) in the eye and we make a connection, a good one 99% of the time. The place is not for everyone and on this board we all should respect the guys that do love the place for whatever reason they choose.

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.

But you (Natty) don't and that's what we have in common. Plus we're after the same type of women which I will tell you aren't readily available in AC. What makes up for this is casual and simplistic nature of most bar girls.

In Makati you will find most women in the trade have bank accounts and some go to college. They dress nicely and there are many more exotic beauties to choose from, they're big city women, and they provide the same passion as their country pumpkin counterparts in AC. The only thing lacking is that they adhere to the clock regarding short time or long time. Still I have never felt rushed w the big city Makati ladies and I can enjoy the night w / them for a few hours ending in a blissful session in my room.

The AC ladies will look at you funny if you ask them if they have a bank account as to imply they don't even know what that is. A couple of years ago w / one Doll House dancer w / a lot of class the next morning as we were getting ready to part she asked me a question. She asked if I thought she should be giving money to her cousin and of course I said, are you crazy? She thinks her income from this rough trade is meant for all her family and that tomorrow does not exist. That's how they think in AC. Their world is incredibly different than ours and that's another reason I love the women there. They have such big hearts it's refreshing to be w / them.

There are many reasons to visit AC and for those like NS that only think of the looks of the women. That's fine of course but you're missing out on the beauty of life in general. If you're only interested in the DDG stunners do not go to AC. It's all very simple and no one is better than the other on both sides of the playing field, bar girls, market owners, bankers, hotel operators, Viagra venders. Same as on our side, if you like them super fine or you like them short and plump.

I got to hit the road so I can't finish. Natty you add so much to this board and many here are aware so this gives me hope.

Cheers and we'll chat soon.

[StudBucket]

I'm sure the Fraidy Cats here would deem me, "the ugly", haha. I wouldn't argue with them either because the truth is ugly for most of them.

I dig your take on international mongering and have learned much from you polite information. I have had problems w / some here because they can't explain themselves w / out putting others down as was recently done.

The innuendo here is what I consider a backdoor insult. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so if I like a cute 6 and she's wonderful company, it's beneath some here. For me that's an insult.

I like to see proof but NS has none of his stellar taste in women to post here. A censored pic would be all it takes but he has none, zero.

I could cherry pick more backdoor slights but I'll leave it at that. I do think NS has good intentions but lacks tack in the above quote.

So Natty your trip sounds awesome and bringing your ladies to Palawan is going to be so much fun. I wish we could hook up but the timing is off.

As for the comparisons of AC and other places there just aren't any. But when I'm there in that poor little Las Vegas I am in awe of the locals. It's all about survival and pleasure which creates this interesting huge paradox.

I don't feel sorry for anyone there, or anywhere else in the world, there's so much to learn if you're human. Some / most people will never get it.

So what is it that makes AC so special for me is the raw world in which they survive and some thrive. After my 4 weeks in Thailand it was so refreshing to not be judged on my age, looks, or disposition. I am an American buyer of their services and that's all.

I look as many locals (I can) in the eye and we make a connection, a good one 99% of the time. The place is not for everyone and on this board we all should respect the guys that do love the place for whatever reason they choose.

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.

But you (Natty) don't and that's what we have in common. Plus we're after the same type of women which I will tell you aren't readily available in AC. What makes up for this is casual and simplistic nature of most bar girls.

In Makati you will find most women in the trade have bank accounts and some go to college. They dress nicely and there are many more exotic beauties to choose from, they're big city women, and they provide the same passion as their country pumpkin counterparts in AC. The only thing lacking is that they adhere to the clock regarding short time or long time. Still I have never felt rushed w the big city Makati ladies and I can enjoy the night w / them for a few hours ending in a blissful session in my room.

The AC ladies will look at you funny if you ask them if they have a bank account as to imply they don't even know what that is. A couple of years ago w / one Doll House dancer w / a lot of class the next morning as we were getting ready to part she asked me a question. She asked if I thought she should be giving money to her cousin and of course I said, are you crazy? She thinks her income from this rough trade is meant for all her family and that tomorrow does not exist. That's how they think in AC. Their world is incredibly different than ours and that's another reason I love the women there. They have such big hearts it's refreshing to be w / them.

There are many reasons to visit AC and for those like NS that only think of the looks of the women. That's fine of course but you're missing out on the beauty of life in general. If you're only interested in the DDG stunners do not go to AC. It's all very simple and no one is better than the other on both sides of the playing field, bar girls, market owners, bankers, hotel operators, Viagra venders. Same as on our side, if you like them super fine or you like them short and plump.

I got to hit the road so I can't finish. Natty you add so much to this board and many here are aware so this gives me hope.

Cheers and we'll chat soon.

Here's my idea of a very cute 6. I have the proof for the board, and just just the talk.Great post Socker, I couldn't agree with you more! You are a man of wisdom.

[WestCoast1]

Here's my idea of a very cute 6. I have the proof for the board, and just just the talk.Ya, I'd hit that!

[WestCoast1]

The above sentiment is one reason I love the place. Sitting at an outdoor restaurant and watch the street kids duel over supremacy or just play and laugh is a gift for me. Sometimes we miss the simple pleasures for one reason or the other, especially here.Its the intangibles in phils. While so many things go wrong (girls late, infrastructure, internet speed, culture), there are (almost by accident, it seems) so many other things that go right. For instance, you get a full GFE when you least expect it (ie, a bargirl or first time you meet a dating site girl). Even though you are clear with a dating site girl that you want nawty only, she keeps coming back, becoming more friendly each time, apparently just for the thrill of hanging around with you.

Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). My long-time cebuana, who I've posted multiple times in the PG, provides the exact simple pleasures Socker speaks of. Walking down Mango, having one drink and live band in several bars, then having dinner at this place (you walk up a skinny set of stairs to get up to the tables), with a nice breeze blowing, just being quiet with her, holding hands, and people-watching while modestly (ok fairly) drunk, was a magical experience. She never had clams / pasta before: "I enjoy so much". Her amazing heat in the dark is another magical experience. I close my eyes and I can still hear the noisy jeeps moving up Maxilom Avenue towards the circle; I can taste her breath while she was kissing me in the hotel later.

Careful Westy, that almost sounded romantic. You don't do romance, right? Westy? Westy?

[Hutsori]

"I enjoy so much". Delicious looking spaghetti vongole.

[Socker]

Its the intangibles in phils. While so many things go wrong (girls late, infrastructure, internet speed, culture), there are (almost by accident, it seems) so many other things that go right. For instance, you get a full GFE when you least expect it (ie, a bargirl or first time you meet a dating site girl). Even though you are clear with a dating site girl that you want nawty only, she keeps coming back, becoming more friendly each time, apparently just for the thrill of hanging around with you.

Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). My long-time cebuana, who I've posted multiple times in the PG, provides the exact simple pleasures Socker speaks of. Walking down Mango, having one drink and live band in several bars, then having dinner at this place (you walk up a skinny set of stairs to get up to the tables), with a nice breeze blowing, just being quiet with her, holding hands, and people-watching while modestly (ok fairly) drunk, was a magical experience. She never had clams / pasta before: "I enjoy so much". Her amazing heat in the dark is another magical experience. I close my eyes and I can still hear the noisy jeeps moving up Maxilom Avenue towards the circle; I can taste her breath while she was kissing me in the hotel later.

Careful Westy, that almost sounded romantic. You don't do romance, right? Westy? Westy?Man you are a careful operator, watermarking your beer and hot sauce.

As for AC / the PI I'm glad I'm not the only corny monger that loves this place.

The strange thing for me when comparing Cebu w / Makati are the very hot Cebuanas working the Mango Bars are extremely arrogant, at least a couple of years ago that is. Some extremely beautiful women working those bars but they're Drink S**ts or K only. They're pros at playing / suckering you to buy drinks and then not delivering on their promises. It gets tired watching the mama ordering dancer line ups for the Ks when they arrive, makes me sick after a while. I took Cebu off my rotation because of this. Then there is Makati w / close to the same level of real beautiful women but they treat you well. That tells you it the bar owners who are calling the shots.

In AC things have come around and it's more western friendly than say 3 years ago. There are still K only beauties but far and few between. So many different types there but you really have to look in many bars to see them all.

They are little gems all over that town. Perimeter Rd in the afternoon and Fields at night. Thank you God!

Hell, you can walk into Atlantis or Crystal Palace and every lady has the same body type, skinny and flat. Looks very but for the most part they're all average looking ladies. Same w / my last AC visit, I'm in the Crystal Palace and enjoying the show and the ladies are as I described, moving slow to the music. I'm in there 15 minutes and then I notice a guy sitting nearby called a lady down and she was real nice. I thought, man that guy is good, I sure didn't see her and he did and pulled her. I was shocked I didn't see her.

Another time I was in the CP and I called down a tall beauty and she was a rare AC find. It was really early and so I bar fined her and told her I would come back for her after a couple of hours, let her make some drink money. I come back and I'm looking looking looking and then I decide to look behind me. Yep, she was sitting on a couch w / another monger and I thought no problem but it turned out to be a big problem for me. She finally came over to me and asked if she could get out of the barfine and I said of course. Unfortunately the guy must have kept her my entire stay. She never work another night while I was there.

The advanced bar fine technique doesn't always pan out. LOL. Thanks guys.

[X Man]

Been there, done that. It's also fun to look down at the antics of the lady boys. Your second photo just shows a few plastic chairs, but it tends to be ladyboy central. I actually like the food at the faux-Greek place better, but the faux Italian place does have it's charms, as you have noted. I took a photo of one of my regular dates at that location and it became her FB profile pic for a while.


SNIP
Speaking of an outdoor resto (not in AC), there's a small place in Mango Square, pizza, pasta and such. Its upstairs-only, with about eight 2-4 person tables (pics below). SNIP

[Janboi]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route.

Maybe I will just try different things and see what works best.

What are your opinions about freelancers in AC and dating site girls?

Here's a chunk of conversation you might find interesting.

Headline: looking to have some fun and more.

Me- It says. Looking to have some fun and more.

What does that mean?

Her- I'm into friends with benefits.

Me- Sounds good to me.

Me- How does that work?

Her- Well I will go with you then you will give for me also.

Me- That sounds fair.

How would you handle a situation like that?

Would you talk acts and prices.

Or would you jut show up and treat her like a date?

I know some of these ladies are open to P4P but don't know how to broach the subject.

[Simmer]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila?I have used the Swagman bus. Opposite the US Embassy in Manila is a small backpacker's hotel called the Swagman and something like 3 x a day a bus (or minivan) goes to AC for 600 Php each way (might be 650, can't quite recall). Certainly not the cheapest method but it's easy. Buy a ticket inside the hotel. Stops about halfway for 10-15 minutes for a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) break.

Public buses are cheaper but involve trikes at the AC end I believe.

Uber, taxi... ?


Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.Be wary. Might be okay, might be a shithole for that price. I initially paid for a cheaper room at the Swagman hotel in AC, walked in, walked back to reception and paid for a better room. It was pretty awful. The better room wasn't great either but was at least in the main bar / pool area. A little too far from the action too.

[Socker]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route.

Maybe I will just try different things and see what works best...These incessant silly questions are ridiculous. Use your common sense and RTFF!

I'm tired of helping guys who don't do their homework. On my first trip I didn't impose the board w / these kinds of questions.

Go back a couple of years on the forum pertaining to your destination and read it. Then you will be left w / a few valid questions that guys here will be happy to answer.

I'd personally like it if you stayed at the $10 hotels you found and then post your experiences in the proper forum.

That should be entertaining read for everyone here. Oh, and get a $10 FL to keep you company. RTFF.

[Dg8787]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

At least some cell numbers.

I really don't want to get into a relationship with anyone right now. But I would like to fuck some of them.

I just wonder if maybe P4P might be the best route..Only one way to find out.

[Member #4558]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too...HM you must have used some time writing this report. You could find answers to most, if not all, of your questions if your gadgets scroll function is working and you go back a few pages in less time than creating your post. There are even one designated Angeles accommodation thread and one exclusive Manila hotel thread. I mean did you just accidentally land here in ISG? Good luck reading.

[Mh900]

How do you recommend getting to Angeles from Manila? I also don't know how much of my three weeks I should spend in AC and how much in Manila. Found some Hotels for $10/ night and under.

But on the whole it seems Hotels can be had cheaper in Manila than in AC. But then the price of girls is higher in Manila than in AC I am told. So, I have been working DIA and facebook have about 75 Angeles City Facebook friends. One is a guy who works in a salon says he wants to be my friend and guide. How far should I trust him? Any ideas. Then I have a bunch of DIA girls too.

I know some of these ladies are open to P4P but don't know how to broach the subject.The author of this post seems to be an absolute frigging illiterate knob.

I suggest idiots like these who write crap like this should be rightly ignored.

He is one of those absolute morons who thinks that girls in Angeles City are waiting for his 10 peso donations in his $10 hotel room, these are the sort of losers who think that their presence in AC have the girls salivating; for Christsake man, you can take your $10 per week and spend it in Kamatipura in Mumbai. And for those of those who don't know, Kamatipura is a 50 c hooker area in Mumbai where this joker seems to come from.

Get a frigging life.

[WestCoast1]

Man you are a careful operator, watermarking your beer and hot sauce.

As for AC / the PI I'm glad I'm not the only corny monger that loves this place.I'll watermark anything.


Delicious looking spaghetti vongole.You're talking about the pasta, right? Haha.


I took a photo of one of my regular dates at that location and it became her FB profile pic for a while.Numerous of my photos have become her (and many other pinay) FB mainstay pics for weeks or months at a time. Shame, huh? Have another look.

[Sxxxx]

HM you must have used some time writing this report. You could find answers to most, if not all, of your questions if your gadgets scroll function is working and you go back a few pages in less time than creating your post. There are even one designated Angeles accommodation thread and one exclusive Manila hotel thread. I mean did you just accidentally land here in ISG? Good luck reading.Janboi has not paid the $20 subscription and thus most probably is a 'Manager' by default. Get the drift? As you say, the answers to his queries are already on the website, just need a bit of reading as you suggest. Next they will be asking us to fuck the girls for them, LOL.

[Wicked Roger]

Janboi has not paid the $20 subscription and thus most probably is a 'Manager' by default. Get the drift? As you say, the answers to his queries are already on the website, just need a bit of reading as you suggest. Next they will be asking us to fuck the girls for them, LOL.On the UAE thread there is a separate section dedicated to the Janbois. Is for totally stupid, useless and lazy manager FRs. Worth a read as so many will not RTFF and expect everything for free not recognizing others efforts. Such is the pandemic of managers in the UAE some of use just PM and chat via other mediums as a few mates have been badly burned by the Janboi.

Also he last posted in 2010? Now 6 FRs all questions. A seasoned monger and likely a one handed typist?

[Member #4558]

Janboi has not paid the $20 subscription and thus most probably is a 'Manager' by default. Get the drift? As you say, the answers to his queries are already on the website, just need a bit of reading as you suggest. Next they will be asking us to fuck the girls for them, LOL.Most likely we already did fuck them. But of course guys like this may well believe the lie "you are my first foreigner ever".

[Blanquiceleste]

As you have previously stated that you travel to angeles for sheer numbers (notches on your bed post) and are not fussed about quality then of course you would disagree, did not expect anything else.

Try going for the better looking girls and then report back how much you disagree with my observations.And I guess you are happy to sit on your high horse proclaiming to look for quality girls and finally sleeping at the end of the day with your cock on your hand?

You keep saying you are not able to find good looking girls who will barfine. Maybe the answer lies in the mirror. Go take a look and report back.

[NapaSlapper]

And I guess you are happy to sit on your high horse proclaiming to look for quality girls and finally sleeping at the end of the day with your cock on your hand?

You keep saying you are not able to find good looking girls who will barfine. Maybe the answer lies in the mirror. Go take a look and report back.With all due respect, what part of angeles city has very few attractive slim girls working in the bars, the very few that are slim and attractive are in high demand for drinks and sitting company only by out Korean friends do you not understand.

It has within reason nothing to do with a punters looks, age, etc, attractive slim ac girls simply earn more money by staying in the bar and barfining with no one, after all. Do you not agree that bargirls will go where they earn the highest amount with the least amount of work.

You are correct that I have claimed that sleeping alone is preferable to me than sleeping with a fatty, fugly, the reason being I am not short of pussy both here in the biggest girly playground in the world where I live and by my arranging to always have non bargirls in my bed while in the Phills.

Funny how attractive. Slim non bargirls are more than happy to share mine and most mongers bed mostly for much cheaper prices and many times for free but I and these same guys are not attractive enough to fuck bargirls for payment going by your wild claims.

I thought mongering destinations were about one being able to fuck ones 1st /2nd choice of the best looking girls available not having to lower ones expectations / girls to almost zero in able to get laid by the hired help, may be the unavailability of attractive willing bed partners is the reason why angeles bars streets are dead of punters, you can only fool punters for so long then they move on to where they can get laid easily with no bait and switch tactics as seen in angeles city.

As I have said many times, I am happy for those that find what they seek in angeles, its just not for me, I truly wished it were for me.

Yes the facts are not pleasant reading especially for the members with a monetary interest in Angeles but never the less the bare facts IMHO.

[Pinaypounder]

With all due respect, what part of angeles city has very few attractive slim girls working in the bars, the very few that are slim and attractive are in high demand for drinks and sitting company only by out Korean friends do you not understand.

It has within reason nothing to do with a punters looks, age, etc, attractive slim ac girls simply earn more money by staying in the bar and barfining with no one, after all. Do you not agree that bargirls will go where they earn the highest amount with the least amount of work.

You are correct that I have claimed that sleeping alone is preferable to me than sleeping with a fatty, fugly, the reason being I am not short of pussy both here in the biggest girly playground in the world where I live and by my arranging to always have non bargirls in my bed while in the Phills.

Funny how attractive. Slim non bargirls are more than happy to share mine and most mongers bed mostly for much cheaper prices and many times for free but I and these same guys are not attractive enough to fuck bargirls for payment going by your wild claims.

I thought mongering destinations were about one being able to fuck ones 1st /2nd choice of the best looking girls available not having to lower ones expectations / girls to almost zero in able to get laid by the hired help, may be the unavailability of attractive willing bed partners is the reason why angeles bars streets are dead of punters, you can only fool punters for so long then they move on to where they can get laid easily with no bait and switch tactics as seen in angeles city.

As I have said many times, I am happy for those that find what they seek in angeles, its just not for me, I truly wished it were for me.

Yes the facts are not pleasant reading especially for the members with a monetary interest in Angeles but never the less the bare facts IMHO.The Koreans must like them fat because fuck me is it bad!

[Pinaypounder]

The author of this post seems to be an absolute frigging illiterate knob.

I suggest idiots like these who write crap like this should be rightly ignored.

He is one of those absolute morons who thinks that girls in Angeles City are waiting for his 10 peso donations in his $10 hotel room, these are the sort of losers who think that their presence in AC have the girls salivating; for Christsake man, you can take your $10 per week and spend it in Kamatipura in Mumbai. And for those of those who don't know, Kamatipura is a 50 c hooker area in Mumbai where this joker seems to come from.

Get a frigging life.Thats quite a response for a guy with 7 posts!

[X Man]

Vanatu? Not sure of the name but this place goes for 900 and is across the street from Orchid Inn and above the bar Body Shop. It might be a bit noisy because it is surrounded on two sides by the new ABC construction.

Down Santos the five star Niagra has rooms for P600, or about 13 bucks.

[Socker]

Funny how attractive. Slim non bargirls are more than happy to share mine and most mongers bed mostly for much cheaper prices and many times for free but I and these same guys are not attractive enough to fuck bargirls for payment going by your wild claims...No not most other monger's beds, that's not accurate. They're more than happy why? Because you're so charming? Lets see what you're bedding NS, post a censored pic of what you're bedding.

Talk is getting cheaper on this forum as the clock ticks. Most every monger here w / integrity can back up their talk w / proof, where's yours?

As for cheaper prices I think that's what is really of interest to you. Are you the Brad Pitt of the board that these non pro stunners are fighting over? I think not.

You have an ax to grind and it would be great if you finished doing it NOW.

The bottom line is your attitude is poor and you telegraph that wherever you go. AC has not changed that much over the time I have been visiting (6 years) and there are gems available to the guys who look for them and are fun to be with.

For the bar girls of course it is about money but it's also about the fun that can be had. I've been around American (non pro) pinays for over 45 years and they love to have a passionate fuck.

I have been working the native Filipinos in the Philippines now for 6 years and they too love a good man to fuck their pussies. If you can't find good pinay pussy in AC then I'll find it for you, my pleasure.

To finish we all know what you think about AC so put it to bed. You bed free AC stunners and they are happy so you should be happy too. Please quit whining about what you can't have.

Free stunners in AC, an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

[NapaSlapper]

The Koreans must like them fat because fuck me is it bad!Have to agree fully with your observations regarding fatties, but hey some on this board travel half way around the world for very average fatties and even brag about their conquests LOL.

But in all honesty I know a few Korean business owners in Angeles and they seem to always be with very attractive, young pinays, normal good girls that they employ in their companies.

I often walk into Angeles bars with Korean business associates and the girls just go crazy at the sight of them, walk in to bars alone and none of the girls is going crazy at my presence.

The pinays just seem to gravitate towards Koreans, put it down to similar culture, easy going, usually younger, slimmer than westerners and easy with their spending, what ever it is it seems to work for them.

[Simmer]

I thought mongering destinations were about one being able to fuck ones 1st /2nd choice of the best looking girls available not having to lower ones expectations / girls to almost zero in able to get laid by the hired helpFor me that is certainly one of the goals. But an average girl with above average between-the-sheets-action is also a great attraction. Of course, the latter is unknown until the event itself, whereas the former is mostly obvious from the start. Good looks AND good between the sheets AND low / zero cost / maintenance? The Holy Grail!

[ConquerorVal]

I don't like to make it personal, but, I find a certain contributor here incessantly anoying. Every time I see his posts all I can do is sigh. This person seems to have almost an obsession in trying to get his views and points across, even though they are always the same. He is becoming like a nagging wife. For a guy who claims to be widely travelled and resides in Thailand he has only a handful of posts dealing with that wonderful country. The rest is solely Angeles City. What is the deal with that. Explain yourself. Why don't you share some of your wisdom and knowledge on other threads. You are way too generous here.

[Koperen Klaas]

I don't like to make it personal, but, I find a certain contributor here incessantly anoying. Every time I see his posts all I can do is sigh. This person seems to have almost an obsession in trying to get his views and points across, even though they are always the same. He is becoming like a nagging wife. For a guy who claims to be widely travelled and resides in Thailand he has only a handful of posts dealing with that wonderful country. The rest is solely Angeles City. What is the deal with that. Explain yourself. Why don't you share some of your wisdom and knowledge on other threads. You are way too generous here.You can reward said contributor with a place on your ignore list. I have a brief ignore list for some particularly obnoxious contributors and it saves sifting through garbage.

Regards,

Ko

[Dg8787]

I don't like to make it personal, but, I find a certain contributor here incessantly anoying. Every time I see his posts all I can do is sigh. This person seems to have almost an obsession in trying to get his views and points across, even though they are always the same. He is becoming like a nagging wife. For a guy who claims to be widely travelled and resides in Thailand he has only a handful of posts dealing with that wonderful country. The rest is solely Angeles City. What is the deal with that. Explain yourself. Why don't you share some of your wisdom and knowledge on other threads. You are way too generous here.Have to agree with you. Negative Shit has nothing to do with AC reality for me.

[Uncle Volodya]

I am in AC now and will write up a more detailed report soon.

All in all it has been a bit disappointing and the place hasin, at least in my opinion, deteriorated from the last time I was here about a year and a half ago.

Even the. It was difficult for me to find girls I was attracted to. I only find about roughly 5%. Now you have to compete with hem with swarms of Koreans. They were here before but it seems like their number has increased 10 fold.

And it is my impression that they have had a negative effect on the bar culture as well. Girls seem less accomodating and more into hustling and caging for drinks. At least the top lookers I am trying to get.

In any case this is just MHO. Take it or leave it.

I don't think I will be coming back. I am still interested in PI girls but I think Manila / Makati and the internet scene are better options for me than AC.

[Member #4558]

I am in AC now and will write up a more detailed report soon.

All in all it has been a bit disappointing and the place hasin, at least in my opinion, deteriorated from the last time I was here about a year and a half ago.

Even the. It was difficult for me to find girls I was attracted to. I only find about roughly 5%. Now you have to compete with hem with swarms of Koreans. They were here before but it seems like their number has increased 10 fold.

And it is my impression that they have had a negative effect on the bar culture as well. Girls seem less accomodating and more into hustling and caging for drinks. At least the top lookers I am trying to get.

In any case this is just MHO. Take it or leave it.

I don't think I will be coming back. I am still interested in PI girls but I think Manila / Makati and the internet scene are better options for me than AC.Not directed at you but in general and as an observation / possible explanation you didn't had a blast, if you were a stunner, wouldn't you try avoid being fucked when you know you can easily make same money or more without spreading legs? I am sure most of the beauties crowd in AC and in other similar places have a few suckers Wing them moneys anyways already. Doing sidekicks (before / after shift) without involving the bar seems to be more and more popular and they can keep it all to themselves (the money and the fact they meet people outside the bar). For the stunners I would also assume they are in control these days and not the mamas or the bar owners as trafficking laws are harsh if it comes to the wrong peoples attention?? The top stunners will more or less act like some sort of promotion girls giving the bar a good rep at first sight. I think also these girls can shift bars and even some are being head hunted from bar to nar with better offers. With me and my zero experience in AC and bars and BG's in general, its only common sense me thinks. And maybe they jump on a K every know and then for an easy and swift fix (not to much work for a prostitute, at least so I hear). Another reason the top stunners are rare these days I would also think are due to dating-sites, apps and / or they want to work on their own (they are in total control). We also have some thunderstruck people willing to pick them and K1 them to the states fast and furious without any prenup (small head does all the thinking). I think we all can agree that most of the girls, given the chance, even if they actually enjoy sex, would like to have it with someone they actually like and not someone they have to pretend to like. No pun intended.

[NapaSlapper]

I am in AC now and will write up a more detailed report soon.

All in all it has been a bit disappointing and the place hasin, at least in my opinion, deteriorated from the last time I was here about a year and a half ago.

Even the. It was difficult for me to find girls I was attracted to. I only find about roughly 5%. Now you have to compete with hem with swarms of Koreans. They were here before but it seems like their number has increased 10 fold.

And it is my impression that they have had a negative effect on the bar culture as well. Girls seem less accomodating and more into hustling and caging for drinks. At least the top lookers I am trying to get.

In any case this is just MHO. Take it or leave it.

I don't think I will be coming back. I am still interested in PI girls but I think Manila / Makati and the internet scene are better options for me than AC.Thanks for having the courage to be honest in your reporting, I hope you have got your flame proof suit on uncle Volodya awaiting the barrage of baseless accusations, abuse from the same few members LOL.

I see that you are finding exactly what I and many have been experiencing and reporting regarding what is happening on the ground in angeles city as of now.

Going back over the last few pages it seems that most everyone who has visited recently has been reporting exactly the same things, with some members like yourself saying they will not be back to angeles due to massive drop in lookers that are available for take out.

Have to further fully agree that the Manila / Makati scene has good looking girls willing to barfine and that the Phills online scene is where the majority of punters are also heading to find what they are looking for, a wise move in my book and one I took few years back, happy mongering where ever direction you decide to head too.

[Dtaylor1972]

This board is for the sharing of info on our pursuit of punanny. Never made it to PI and was hoping to find some useful intel here. Took wading through nearly 30 pages of whining, bickering and general BS to find any relevant intel.

Sad to say that this mostly made my mind up. At least for now ill be sticking with Colombia Nd its dangers.

Please don't take it wrong, but lets try to keep this on topic. , a little debate is good, but 30 pages on how it aint the same as it used to be serves no purpose. Cause no place stays the same! Cheers, and safe adventures!

[NapaSlapper]

This board is for the sharing of info on our pursuit of punanny. Never made it to PI and was hoping to find some useful intel here. Took wading through nearly 30 pages of whining, bickering and general BS to find any relevant intel.

Sad to say that this mostly made my mind up. At least for now ill be sticking with Colombia Nd its dangers.

Please don't take it wrong, but lets try to keep this on topic. , a little debate is good, but 30 pages on how it aint the same as it used to be serves no purpose. Cause no place stays the same! Cheers, and safe adventures!Have to totally disagree with you on relevant information to be found in the Phills forums.

Even right here on the angeles forum only going back a few pages there are many trip report, even 1 post earlier from yours there is an excellent trip report from UV giving great information on current trends.

Many members have explained everything from drinks prices. Girl prices, angeles scams, where to be careful, where to stay, where to eat, how to get to angeles, which airlines fly where, the list is so long I can't possibly mention all here.

Probably all the relevant info is contained in maybe 1 hour of reading through this board, how you can claim that you could not find relevant info and have given up on a whole country because of this is just mind blowing.

Most, if not all members here are open to answering sensible questions by private pm should one want specific answers to unusual topics / requests.

[X Man]

Oh, you are a very observant chap. AC is the bollocks. Now off with you.


This board is for the sharing of info on our pursuit of punanny. Never made it to PI and was hoping to find some useful intel here. Took wading through nearly 30 pages of whining, bickering and general BS to find any relevant intel.

Sad to say that this mostly made my mind up. At least for now ill be sticking with Colombia Nd its dangers.

Please don't take it wrong, but lets try to keep this on topic. , a little debate is good, but 30 pages on how it aint the same as it used to be serves no purpose. Cause no place stays the same! Cheers, and safe adventures!

[Socker]

I am in AC now and will write up a more detailed report soon.

All in all it has been a bit disappointing and the place hasin, at least in my opinion, deteriorated from the last time I was here about a year and a half ago.

Even the. It was difficult for me to find girls I was attracted to. I only find about roughly 5%. Now you have to compete with hem with swarms of Koreans. They were here before but it seems like their number has increased 10 fold.

And it is my impression that they have had a negative effect on the bar culture as well. Girls seem less accommodating and more into hustling and caging for drinks. At least the top lookers I am trying to get.

In any case this is just MHO. Take it or leave it.

I don't think I will be coming back. I am still interested in PI girls but I think Manila / Makati and the internet scene are better options for me than AC.This assessment is straight forward and to the point w / out the whining and phony claims. AC and the days you spend there, the bars you go to all have to do w / timing. On my last few trips during the first day or two I'm thinking, oh man the quality is down, they all look undoable. And then I walk into a bar the next hour or day and boom, I'm finding decent looking dancers to enjoy. The next several days it's all going great. So for me it is timing and persistence but I would not be surprised one day to find the town void of anything cute. But it hasn't come close to that and I'm sure that I will enjoy the town in a couple of weeks. If not I'll leave early but my money says there will be some nice action. I'll do a small TR W / PICS!

On my first trip in 2009 Fields was full of great looking bars from the street. The neon lights everywhere and the energy was different. Now it is more run down looking because the bar owners know the mongers don't give a shit about the neon and glitz it once had. Everything is subject to change and it has for the worst in this regard, much less pizzazz.

As for stunners AC has never had stunners there. A pretty dancer does not make a stunner in my book. The stunners have always been in the big cities and most of them don't work as dancers in the public bars. The real stunners are w / the high rollers, but Makati has extremely pretty items available at times.

During my 10 trips to AC I've only seen pretty dancers and zero stunners. Early on most of the top dancers were bar finable and now they're not especially to westerners. That isn't breaking news, it's been that way for years now. It is what it is and I have found a way to have fun there. The cost and the innocence of some of the dancers makes it a very desirable town to visit. Period.


This board is for the sharing of info on our pursuit of punanny. Never made it to PI and was hoping to find some useful intel here. Took wading through nearly 30 pages of whining, bickering and general BS to find any relevant intel.

Sad to say that this mostly made my mind up. At least for now ill be sticking with Colombia Nd its dangers.

Please don't take it wrong, but lets try to keep this on topic. , a little debate is good, but 30 pages on how it aint the same as it used to be serves no purpose. Cause no place stays the same! Cheers, and safe adventures!D,

I agree w / you that this forum is 70% crap so maybe go back 3 or 4 years and quick read. Copy the good info and put somewhere you can access it. That's what I do. I have several countries in my documents and the info comes from these boards. Where to stay, to eat, to hunt, the cost, the dangers, and if you're lucky a couple of photos. This info does not happen here on a daily basis so you need to go back.

Also take note in the posters attitude. Guys here who focus on saving money over quality purchases tend to paint the whole scene as they see it. These guys think anyone who patronizes a bar is a sucker. These guys go for the low hanging fruit (and get lucky 1 out of 10 times) and call it quality, talk is real cheap. They try and educate the rest of us at how stupid we are for barfing a nice dancer. Etc etc. That's what I was bitching about a few post down. Just because one guy hates the place doesn't mean it's horrible for everyone but they paint that picture out of their own frustration. You can't be overly picky in AC and these pro mongers should have known that years ago but they like to *****.

Anyway, Colombia is on my rotation (December) as is El Salvador (October) and I'm in Tijuana right now so I know the Latino experience. If I were forced to choose one place it would be AC. It being the most magical and satisfying. Where you help yourself and the bar worker too, a win win, these dancers are special.

So I think you should join some other boards pertaining to the PI or Thailand and get more info. There is good info here as well you just got to dig for it.

Good Luck.

[NapaSlapper]

Socker,

With respect I will disagree with a lot of your comments, here's why.

As you have stated you have only been going to angeles a short while and then only a few trips, all of your time has been through the devastating bar raid period, so basically you have no idea what angeles was before the worst period of its history.

Many guys here including me have been visiting angeles for two decades with trips every few weeks to angeles, Let me tell you straight your claims of angeles has never had stunners is just not true, going back angeles bars were full of stunners, stunners that were naked in the bars, stunners that would dish out blow jobs for the price of a very cheap drink, sometimes even for free, body shot games, lesbian shows in bar, hell if you had been in angeles when it was possible to hold private parties in the bars where 5/6 guys were outnumbered by 50 girls then you could claim a good time could be had in angeles.

Most Guys want access to plenty of the type of girls they are seeking (normally the top girls) with little to no bullshit to go with getting sex from said girls, guys do not want to have to get the timing right, troll countless bars to even see a girl they like and then have to mainly take rejection because the girls main focus is not to barfine but to earn her money other ways, that's just fact, does not matter how we try to sugar coat it it remains what it is.

Your claims of guys are not having a good time because they are not willing to spend or want bargain basement goods is simply not true, many here have claimed to have spent up to $85 us on a short time girl, I myself have paid $100 per hour for russian top girls in Moscow and left very happy indeed, so money is no excuse, most will pay handsomely for what they want but want what they want not some low grade substitute.

As for neon lights on the strip, its all still there its just that most bar owners cannot afford the electric bill to turn it on because apart from the few Koreans in town westerers have voted with their feet for other easier ways of fucking pinays or just gone to another easier destination.

[Uncle Volodya]

I am back in Patts now and the difference in quality of girls is night and day. I am rubber necking everywhere I go.

AC wasn't a total loss for me. I was able to find 2 cute girls in 3 nights which isn't all bad. Socker is right, in that you need to devote a bit more time to the place and go with the ebb and flow. 3 nights is a very short time. But anymore time spent here is less time I can spend in places where I like the girls and town better.

I guess I am just way more attracted to Thai ladies and Thailand in general. And I am lucky that I really groove with Thai girls and seem to connect with them 9/10 times. Language has never really been a barrier.

This of course is just MHO. Others will see things differently and more power to them.

I still like Pinays and will make a trip to Makati / Manila in the future to try the top shelf ladies. My first trip to PI I also had some good luck with Baddoo, but did not have the time to put into it before this trip.

[Dg8787]

Had a wood fired oven Hawaiian pizza at Clarkton Hotel's restaurant for P385. It was big enough to feed two of us. The pizza was one of the best thin crust I have had.

Also I looked at the dinner buffet for P499 and it was of excellent quality.

There is good food in AC at a fair price.

[Blanquiceleste]

Funny how attractive. Slim non bargirls are more than happy to share mine and most mongers bed mostly for much cheaper prices and many times for free but I and these same guys are not attractive enough to fuck bargirls for payment going by your wild claims.

And with all the countless posts not a shred of evidence to support these tall claims of being God's gift to the pinays.

Get real, find someone else to fool.

[Socker]

Socker,

With respect I will disagree with a lot of your comments, here's why.

As you have stated you have only been going to angeles a short while and then only a few trips, all of your time has been through the devastating bar raid period, so basically you have no idea what angeles was before the worst period of its history.

Many guys here including me have been visiting angeles for two decades with trips every few weeks to angeles, Let me tell you straight your claims of angeles has never had stunners is just not true, going back angeles bars were full of stunners, stunners that were naked in the bars, stunners that would dish out blow jobs for the price of a very cheap drink, sometimes even for free, body shot games, lesbian shows in bar, hell if you had been in angeles when it was possible to hold private parties in the bars where 5/6 guys were outnumbered by 50 girls then you could claim a good time could be had in angeles..Thanks for the reply, yes you are one of the lucky ones and now obsessed w / how bad things are now. The way you describe it in the above post is agreeable to all. That's my issue as well (being agreeable) as what you think is acceptable in quality and others think.

Guys rate this one and that one w / out pics which makes their opinions worthless imo. A periodic photo of what's available in AC, Makati, Cebu, or BKK and Patts and the rating by the monger than we get a clear picture of what you're saying. But just throwing out numbers is almost meaningless and that's what many here do. Back up your rating and / or opinion w / a censored photo. Then I can agree or not w / you.

You mentioned earlier that AC is not worth going to any longer and that the 5's, 6's and 7's would have to pay you to fuck them. In my book a 7 is pretty nice so numbers mean shit w / no pic.

The long gone pizzazz of Fields, today not half of what it was on my first trip. It's too bad too but I'm sure it's the cost as you say. I guess it's okay. It's what's on the inside that counts.

On my first trip there were no raids in sight. The neon was flying bright and there were a few stunners around. A lot of UA too in the big bars, probably everywhere. A couple years later the raids started and lasted a year and a half or so. But the authorities know they're not rescuing anyone but incarcerating hard working bar girls. I think that has helped put a stop to them, plus the bars are more careful about who they employ. Did they increase the bar girl age to 20 from 18. I am pretty sure they did in Thailand.

Unfortunately on my first trip I was easy prey for the "over the hill" bar girls and my choices were amateurish. I did choose well 30% of the time but nothing like how I operate now.

Also something is happening to me and it is affecting my monger enjoyment. I'm aging and the gap is getting wider between me and my potential GF for the day. This issue has had a bad affect on my Thai visits the last year or two. The hot ones don't want to be seen w / you if your old. Not so much in the PI though fortunately. When this shit starts happening you have no choice but to lower your aim. It will happen to everyone here if they're lucky but it is a difficult process to accept. Another thing about Thailand is it's a sellers market, the BGs choose you, tell you what you can have, how long you can have it. They are the bosses and not the monger. I can do w / out Thailand like forever. AND, as another poster just stated the DDG beauties are everywhere in mostly the good gogos. Thailand really has the competition beat out easily but there are also tons and tons of mongers brown nosing them so good luck. I like a relaxing bar fine and not be on the BGs clock. That isn't available Thai hookers from the gogos, they want to get business done so they can make more money w / the next guy. That's why I'm an AC guy, none of that crap there.

Lastly, these days w / the internet exposing your paradise to all has changed the playing Field so timing, looks, charm, not to mention money is all part of the game now. Now if you happen to be an elderly Japanese man than this does not apply, same w / a young K. They have the inside track for whatever reason, they do.

My rating system is pretty high (strict) w / no such thing as a 10. The pic several post below, how would you rate her?

Thanks again, sorry I was a bit harsh in some of my past comments. All the best.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks for the reply, yes you are one of the lucky ones and now obsessed w / how bad things are now. The way you describe it in the above post is agreeable to all. That's my issue as well (being agreeable) as what you think is acceptable in quality and others think.

Guys rate this one and that one w / out pics which makes their opinions worthless imo. A periodic photo of what's available in AC, Makati, Cebu, or BKK and Patts and the rating by the monger than we get a clear picture of what you're saying. But just throwing out numbers is almost meaningless and that's what many here do. Back up your rating and / or opinion w / a censored photo. Then I can agree or not w / you.

You mentioned earlier that AC is not worth going to any longer and that the 5's, 6's and 7's would have to pay you to fuck them. In my book a 7 is pretty nice so numbers mean shit w / no pic...Thanks for your comments soccer, agree fully with you on many points of this post.

You are correct in the numbers we attach to girls are subjective to what one likes so of not much use in reality.

As for commenting on your girly photos, it does not matter what I or others think, you obviously liked her and enjoyed her company, that's what counts, not what others think.

As far as me posting photos, I simply do not take photos of girls, especially naked ones, never saw the attraction but again each to his own, I also feel that even if I did enjoy taking photos of naked girls I would not post them online, maybe call me old fashioned, but I like to keep my memories in my head and to myself, as already said others opinions of my girls mean little to me.

Thanks and happy mongering.

[Dg8787]

Reminder for some.

Today is August 27,2016.

The past has no bearings on today.

Last night I BF on 2 separate ST occasions 7's. Both had excellent firm bodies and performed well. Both had one child each and you could not tell by their bodies. They were both pleasant and not in any rush other than the last one wanted to be home by 11 pm. I assumed for her kid but asked her why anyway. Her reply kind of surprised me but not really as I had heard it before. She said where she lived it was not safe to be outside after 11 pm. There are many neighborhoods just a few blocks away from Fields where it is not safe living after dark.

AC still provides. I was in Mischief and Fire Pit bars. About 2 out of 10 BG were what poster refer to as "fatties", these fatties were about 10-15 pounds heavier than the others. About 3 out of 10 were slim 7. 5 - 8's. These girls could go up a notch if they had better make up, face waxing, hair styling and clothes. Most stunners are 8's just made up and dressed better with nicer packaging.

To me AC still provides.

[NapaSlapper]

And with all the countless posts not a shred of evidence to support these tall claims of being God's gift to the pinays.

Get real, find someone else to fool.With respect I am confused, here is why.

By evidence I assume you mean photos posted as evidence.

You sir have almost 500 posts, many of those posts claiming you barfine stunners in Angeles, as you have never posted a photo on this board should you not be setting an example before demanding others post evidence.

Thanks.

[Fastpiston]

Had a wood fired oven Hawaiian pizza at Clarkton Hotel's restaurant for P385. It was big enough to feed two of us. The pizza was one of the best thin crust I have had.

Also I looked at the dinner buffet for P499 and it was of excellent quality.

There is good food in AC at a fair price.I thought the pizza was over-priced for what was on top. Also general menu appears to never change in spite of various so called chefs arriving and departing. Table service is good though. Mirrors bar a shadow of its former self. Sad really.

[NapaSlapper]

I thought the pizza was over-priced for what was on top. Also general menu appears to never change in spite of various so called chefs arriving and departing. Table service is good though. Mirrors bar a shadow of its former self. Sad really.Have to agree about Clarkton food being expensive for what is offered Fastpiston.

Years back Clarkton hotel was my home away from home, there was everything there, good rooms, food on premises, large pool tables, Mirrors bar on premises, Lost in Asia next door, roadhouse next to that, so probably 200 girls in the space of 50 meters, There was little will or need to venture anywhere else outside of that small area.

Alas Clarkton hotel and the food is a shadow of their former self at high prices, mirrors bar, only a handful of girls, lost in Asia bar has gone from a must visit bar to a never visit bar, alas the great roadhouse bar closed some years back.

[BrainDrain]

Just back from two weeks in AC. As usual I like to try a variety of angles to get to the point.

Upon arrival at NAIA I was greeted by a followup from my previous trip. This little uni post-grad joined me for the road trip to AC and it was nice to have BBBJ under way in the Friday night 'rush' aka 'gush' hour.

In AC I was happy for this girl to stick around for a few days as per our plan. She is smart and good conservationist as well. Was kind of homely to have her prepare breakfast, keep house, let me work and then perform in bed all night and before I went to work each day. I put her on a bus back to MNL.

That night after she left was happy to spend the night alone and get some rest.

Picked up on an earlier meeting from Margarita Station. It was a quick rendezvous and back to the hotel. This girl stayed two days but eventually she had to go to her call center job on Base. I really like this girl, 29 years old, tight tight body and polite. Not the submissive polite, I mean a polite gentle person. Will see her again for sure.

Spent way too much time hunting down some WeChat & pinalove potentials. So after being frigged around decide I would be better to just sleep than start the bar scene so late. As my head hit the pillow at 11 pm, a message arrives from a far earlier dead conversation, "Hi, I'm just out from work, let's meet'. Was like a dream come true. She has just been in AC for two week, works in a Perimeter Bar, had just one barfine in those two weeks. Went and met her, triked back together and into bed. She was happy to stick around until 10 am the next day when I sent her back to her place in Diamond sub-division.

Astute readers will notice so far no bar visits and plenty of sex was had.

A friend of a friend set me up with the next girl which would carry me through the next two nights. Nice girl, no phone load, a little disorganised but of course a good performer.

Had a couple of random girls and massages from WeChat. When not avoiding the ladyboys WeChat has previously been good to me. The girls were nice but nothing spectacular. The random massage girl was kind of boring.

Swung by After School at 6 pm one night and quickly found a woman whom I just enjoyed the conversation. Took her back to the hotel, ordered takeout and watched movies before the bedroom performance.

On the final night called in a favor from a maid whom I have met on / off for the past four years. Well she was pretty damn happy to catch up. Just a genuine girl that no longer works the dating sites but still likes her sex. Will see her again.

Having been a regular visitor to AC now for a few years it's not as much fun to visit the bars. Some night I just don't want the hassle of the unknown immature bargirl.

Did consciously avoid a couple of girls from a previous trip. Yes had coffee with them, yes was polite but really the pain of their baggage is greater than the joy of their sex.

So in two weeks, that's one visit to one bar. The rest of the action was sourced from the outside scene.

I did get dumped by one dating site girl. Last trip we met twice for sex but this trip she wanted dating and no sex. Never did find the time for her.

On Pinalove did come across a girl that will be a good catch for someone. A genuine San Fernando uni student that just wants a home each weekend. She's already on the contraceptive pill, just wants a regular BF. She will live in the uni dormitory M-F. I did have a few SKype calls with her, clarified the rules for each of us but she wants more that a few weeks a month. She is quite articulate and writes well. How much is truth, how much is story, just not sure. The fact she is so certain of her arrangement and already on contraceptive makes me think she has another foreigner for the M-F cover.

For my regular visits I'm starting to tire of the daily search for a new girl and would just like a reliable girl.

BD.

[Member #4698]

BD, thanks for posting your report. It sounds like you had a delightful time in AC, but have you ever considered spending time in Cebu City? Cebuanas are beautiful and that town is made for social media pickups. With your preferred MO, I think you would do really well down there. There is a lot more to do in Cebu City than in AC apart from the superior AC bar culture and Cebu City is a nicer town to otherwise recreate in IMHO.

Stay thirsty,

NB

[BrainDrain]

BD, thanks for posting your report. It sounds like you had a delightful time in AC, but have you ever considered spending time in Cebu City? Cebuanas are beautiful and that town is made for social media pickups. With your preferred MO, I think you would do really well down there. There is a lot more to do in Cebu City than in AC apart from the superior AC bar culture and Cebu City is a nicer town to otherwise recreate in IMHO.

Stay thirsty,

NBThanks for the positive note. My very first Philippines landing was into Cebu where I was in and out on business for a year or so. Have a couple of beautiful Cebuana there whom are happy to meet me at the airport and look after me. My previous field report in Cebu in May is documented here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3305-General-Reports&p=1889998&viewfull=1#post1889998.

I relocated my business from Cebu to the Clark Freeport Zone.

I would like to visit Cebu more often. Would be good if CP would offer a reasonable schedule CRK-CEB-CRK.

BD.

[Dg8787]

I am doing a little survey here.

On my last recent visits to AC it was very slow in the bars and restos. Noticeably quite a few less Americans, Australians and Europeans. Seems to be more Koreans or they stood out more as less of westerns.

My question is the downturn in westerners due to slowdown in their respective economies, terrorists threats, beheading of kidnap victims, airport bullet scam and or perception Phils is not safe anymore?

Let's try to get some valid first hand answers please.

[Blanquiceleste]

I am doing a little survey here.

On my last recent visits to AC it was very slow in the bars and restos. Noticeably quite a few less Americans, Australians and Europeans. Seems to be more Koreans or they stood out more as less of westerns.

My question is the downturn in westerners due to slowdown in their respective economies, terrorists threats, beheading of kidnap victims, airport bullet scam and or perception Phils is not safe anymore?

Let's try to get some valid first hand answers please.Perhaps more and more people are reading Napaslapper's posts and taking heed.

[Fastpiston]

Perhaps more and more people are reading Napaslapper's posts and taking heed.This is the slow rainy season, most AC visitors come in the period Nov to March. Having said that, I suspect prices may be a contributing issue. Can someone do a recent audit update for bars on Fields and Perimeter? I also suspect that runners and girls ST rather than LT orientation is also impacted value for money.

[Macho Dik]

Dear All,

Excited with my recent planning to visit angeles city, but it seems not the right time due to raining season in the philipines? Making my to do list.

Cheers,

MD.

[Dg8787]

Dear All,

Excited with my recent planning to visit angeles city, but it seems not the right time due to raining season in the philipines? Making my to do list.

Cheers,

MD.Rainy season? Can't say that I ever lost an erection due to rain! Bring your rubbers sirs.

Fuvk on.

[NapaSlapper]

I have been aware that Orange bar and Lipstick bar on Perimeter road were raided 2 days ago.

I had waited before posting so that I could get more accurate details.

It has been confirmed that 30 girls from Orange and 40 girls from Lipstick were arrested and are in custody.

I have not been able to get reliable enough info on whether foreigners have been arrested also.

[BrainDrain]

Dear All,

Excited with my recent planning to visit angeles city, but it seems not the right time due to raining season in the philipines? Making my to do list.

Cheers,

MD.Sir,

It is always the right time to visit Angeles City.

Just last week I did get wet, yes it does rain. Does it matter? Not really. Umbrella can be purchased everywhere.

Remember that the number one past time in AC is an indoor sport (mostly).

Intersperse bar (indoors) with gym (indoors) with sex (indoors) and hot showers (indoors).

Bring it on.

Also, many trike rivers will do there best to get you dry-door to dry-door.

See you there.

BD.

[BrainDrain]

This is the slow rainy season, most AC visitors come in the period Nov to March. Having said that, I suspect prices may be a contributing issue. Can someone do a recent audit update for bars on Fields and Perimeter? I also suspect that runners and girls ST rather than LT orientation is also impacted value for money.Business as usual. I only had LT girls, except for the times I had ST girls. YMMV.

[IllusionHeart]

Seems to be more Koreans or they stood out more as less of westerns.
The are not standing out but look poised to slowly take over AC. Every trip I make the more of them I see all around. Maybe earlier they were more focused on perimeter but now they are investing more on Fields Avenue as well. Last trip I saw the fall of Club RA to a Korean owner.

Hope when I visit in December I don't feel like I am Itaewon.

[Freezone]

I have been aware that Orange bar and Lipstick bar on Perimeter road were raided 2 days ago.

I had waited before posting so that I could get more accurate details.

It has been confirmed that 30 girls from Orange and 40 girls from Lipstick were arrested and are in custody.

I have not been able to get reliable enough info on whether foreigners have been arrested also.I was hoping all that shit was over.

But its been a while now since the constant bar raids. 2-3 yrs ago it was a weekly event.

[Freezone]

Sorry but have to rant about this as I was not too happy taking the mafia taxi from just outside Fields to Clark on my last visit. There was no traffic and the whole ride took about 7 min only and what a total ripoff. The 3 taxi drivers I tried to negotiate with would not accept anything less than 500 b (they originally wanted 700 b! And to top it off they were not exactly the friendly grateful types. Didn't even smile or say thank you when you paid them, just put money in pocket, close door and took off.

I actually had a lot of time to spare so considering other options on my next visit to AC.

Aware of the so called airport shuttle at Maingate but they only left when more than 4-5 passengers were present and this could take hours as almost nobody knew about this service. There was one day I walked by and saw 1 guy sitting there with luggage and I went to eat at the mall. Walked by about 1. 5 hrs later after eating and going back to hotel and he was still sitting there alone waiting for other passengers. Don't know how this shuttle could possibly stay in service??

I never asked the trike drivers, but can you actually take a trike instead to the airport?? But guessing since the trikes are total ripoffs in AC, they maybe asking the same price as taxis, or more.

Is there a jeepney that goes to Clark airport from Maingate? If there is then can someone provide me with details (PM me if you like).

Other options are welcome, but before someone say just walk it, I've thought about it but still too far and I have luggage in tow so not an option in the PI heat.

Thanks for any thoughts on this topic.

Cheers.

[Datiao]

Aware of the so called airport shuttle at Maingate but they only left when more than 4-5 passengers were present and this could take hours as.

I remembered it looked like an ordinary jeepney. they will take even 1 person if you pay 250 p but that was over a year ago. Maybe they changed it to the green logo airport shuttle.
Dau bus terminal also hv the green airport shuttle.

Or you can ask the hotel security to get one for you.

I paid 350 when I stayed at Eurotel a year ago.

All info a year old.

[WestCoast1]

I remembered it looked like an ordinary jeepney. they will take even 1 person if you pay 250 p but that was over a year ago. Maybe they changed it to the green logo airport shuttle.
Dau bus terminal also hv the green airport shuttle.

Or you can ask the hotel security to get one for you.

I paid 350 when I stayed at Eurotel a year ago.

All info a year old.Or you can ask your hotel to provide their car for delivery. Probably in the 500-range again, but its door-to-door delivery, and with a smile.

[Dg8787]

I have been aware that Orange bar and Lipstick bar on Perimeter road were raided 2 days ago.

I had waited before posting so that I could get more accurate details.

It has been confirmed that 30 girls from Orange and 40 girls from Lipstick were arrested and are in custody.

I have not been able to get reliable enough info on whether foreigners have been arrested also.I thought those raids happened months ago and both bars cater to Koreans? I could be wrong.

[Dg8787]

I recently arrived in CRK around 7 am and to my surprise there were NO taxis! Security said they did not start until 8 am now. Going out of the terminal to the far right is the streamed lined looking Jeepney. He said he was going to main gate. P50 for me and luggage. Wth there wasn't anything else and the last time I was there the taxi wanted P500. I got on with 12 others and he drove and first stop was checkpoint Jollibee. I got off and took a P100 trike to my hotel. I don't know about the other way other than having pre-arrange taxi to CRK for P400.

Btw, trikes are not allowed in Clark.

I think there is a regular Jeepney to CRK but it stops short of the airport and you have to walk in. I am not sure where it stops and how far it is to the terminal.

[NapaSlapper]

I thought those raids happened months ago and both bars cater to Koreans? I could be wrong.Rains happened few days ago 27/8/2016. Both bars were raided at the same time.

Same reasons, girls of not correct age and Human traffic of persons.

Both bars were Korean owned but all welcome.

Both Bars have been shut down, not known if permanently or will be allowed to reopen at some time in the future.

[Mh900]

Thats quite a response for a guy with 7 posts!Just thought I'd let you know that my upcoming trip to AC IN November will be my 22nd.

That having been said, I enjoy reading these forums but do not feel the need to write / respond to any post, unless it's over the top and totally outrageous IMHO.

I enjoy the Philippines immensely and am of the opinion that there are very few other places in the world, IF ANY, that offer a similar setup as a mongering destination.

So, unless you have something worthwhile to say (and clock up posts with one liners) please keep your sarcasm to yourself because they are not contributing to the forum at all.

As I've already mentioned, I am definitely not a regular contributor, however I am a paid up member who does not need to deal with worthless comments aimed in my direction.

Happy mongering mate.

[Biggusdickus]

Sorry but have to rant about this as I was not too happy taking the mafia taxi from just outside Fields to Clark on my last visit. There was no traffic and the whole ride took about 7 min only and what a total ripoff. The 3 taxi drivers I tried to negotiate with would not accept anything less than 500 b (they originally wanted 700 b! And to top it off they were not exactly the friendly grateful types. Didn't even smile or say thank you when you paid them, just put money in pocket, close door and took off.I remember once arriving at Clark years ago, and not knowing about other options I agreed to the price of 500 for privat transportation to my hotel in ac. I expected the driver to get going right away but instead he lingered, and when two Korean guys showed up the driver offered them to join me for 500, of course without asking me if I was OK with that company. But at least we were going now. When the driver took the two Koreans to their hotel first which was far from the direct way to my place I was already a bit pissed off. And when they paid I found out even though the driver tried to block my view that he had offered them the ride for 500 for both. OK, I told myself, if a Korean pays 250 then there's no way I'm going to pay 500. Our agreement had not been about waiting for other passengers first, then sharing the car, and finally taking long detours to other hotels. When I got out of the car I paid 200, less than each of the Koreans. I told the driver that after I had had to wait at least he should have gone to my place first. I don't think the driver understood my reasoning, and of course he was not happy, but neither was I, and my conscience was soothed by the knowledge that the driver still got 700 in total.

Since then I usually walk the few meters to the jeepney station and take one to main gate. It works the same in the other way, and if you have to wait long you could even offer the driver to pay for the missing passengers. It would still be cheaper than paying 500 - or maybe even 700 nowadays. As long as your luggage is cabin size, jeepneys are quite OK. You can also go to dau by jeepney, no problem, for 8 peso.

If you are on an incoming flight to Clark you could also try to ask fellow passengers if they need a ride to AC, too. Usually it's quite obvious whom to ask. Get together before the taxi drivers attack each of you separately, and then offer the driver 500-600 for the whole group.

[Biggusdickus]

The are not standing out but look poised to slowly take over AC. Every trip I make the more of them I see all around. Maybe earlier they were more focused on perimeter but now they are investing more on Fields Avenue as well. Last trip I saw the fall of Club RA to a Korean owner.

Hope when I visit in December I don't feel like I am Itaewon.On my last trip I went for a little walk past the Clarkson hotel to friendship. Never been as far west before. And I was shocked. There's not a single building there anymore that is not oriented to Koreans. Restaurants, bars, massage parlors, laundries, anything! So you don't have to wait until December if you want to feel like being in Itaewon. Just go to friendship!

[Sxxxx]

I have been aware that Orange bar and Lipstick bar on Perimeter road were raided 2 days ago.

I had waited before posting so that I could get more accurate details.

It has been confirmed that 30 girls from Orange and 40 girls from Lipstick were arrested and are in custody.

I have not been able to get reliable enough info on whether foreigners have been arrested also.Wow, that's bad news. Explains unusual response to one of my questions when entering ba, today.

Candy bar. Perimeter Rod, contrary to what someone said recently, Candy Bar is great. Attractive girls, great layout. If you cannot have fun at Candy, you can not have fun anywhere.

Regardless of reported raids, Angeles is great (for me, LOL).

[Free2]

I never asked the trike drivers, but can you actually take a trike instead to the airport?? But guessing since the trikes are total ripoffs in AC, they maybe asking the same price as taxis, or more.I asked about that and the answer is no, the trike drivers said they can only go so far and then must let you off. I imagine that it would mean a little walking, but probably not the end of the world. The road is pretty barren and safe the last leg to the airport. Personally, I bit the bullet and took a taxi to Clark airport.

[Fastpiston]

I remember once arriving at Clark years ago, and not knowing about other options I agreed to the price of 500 for privat transportation to my hotel in ac. I expected the driver to get going right away but instead he lingered, and when two Korean guys showed up the driver offered them to join me for 500, of course without asking me if I was OK with that company. But at least we were going now. When the driver took the two Koreans to their hotel first which was far from the direct way to my place I was already a bit pissed off. And when they paid I found out even though the driver tried to block my view that he had offered them the ride for 500 for both. OK, I told myself, if a Korean pays 250 then there's no way I'm going to pay 500. Our agreement had not been about waiting for other passengers first, then sharing the car, and finally taking long detours to other hotels. When I got out of the car I paid 200, less than each of the Koreans. I told the driver that after I had had to wait at least he should have gone to my place first. I don't think the driver understood my reasoning, and of course he was not happy, but neither was I, and my conscience was soothed by the knowledge that the driver still got 700 in total.

Since then I usually walk the few meters to the jeepney station and take one to main gate. It works the same in the other way, and if you have to wait long you could even offer the driver to pay for the missing passengers. It would still be cheaper than paying 500 - or maybe even 700 nowadays. As long as your luggage is cabin size, jeepneys are quite OK. You can also go to dau by jeepney, no problem, for 8 peso.

If you are on an incoming flight to Clark you could also try to ask fellow passengers if they need a ride to AC, too. Usually it's quite obvious whom to ask. Get together before the taxi drivers attack each of you separately, and then offer the driver 500-600 for the whole group.This has been going on for years. There was a period when someone stopped the scam, but it is obviously back on again. Filipinos know the scam and take the jeepney near the airport arrivals exit to SM from where you can take local transport or walk. You may have to wait till the jeepney fills, but that does not take long when a flight arrives. Otherwise, there are many hotels which will pick you up at he airport for free if you have a booking with them. Ask your hotel when you make your booking. In any case, even if they charge for a pickup, it will likely cost less than the scam. My hotel picks me up at the airport for free and charges about 300 P to deliver me to the airport.

[Fastpiston]

I was hoping all that shit was over.

But its been a while now since the constant bar raids. 2-3 yrs ago it was a weekly event.Here we go again. The Koreans probably did not pay their dues on due date!

[Sxxxx]

Yeh well it was not New Orange Bar raided, I know that much, LOL. Was there last night. Soon enough I will get to Orange Bar, a fav of mine about 2 yrs ago. Stopped visiting cause got the 'Korean' treatment here once, once is enough, LOL. That is, I was not Korean and reminded of that. Girls, attractive, sitting down on steps stage. Not dancing not doing anything for me. In walks a K, they all jump up and start gyrating around the place, like all their Christmas' had come at once. They count, we don't, when in K bar, and owner instructs girls to ignore us, concentrate on K fellow countrymen. Well, that's ok, plenty more bars. Nice to hear they got raided, revenge, LOL.

Its now Sept (2) and its a buyers market. Excess of girls over guys. Not uncommon to find only 2 or 3 guys in a bar. Mostly girls overweight, piggy face, but some attractive ones also, and they are hungry, there is no cash flow, so they will take old retards like me. Nice.

I am conducting a war against obese girls employed in the bars. Hollywood bar record by friend, I enter, girl about 4' 2" height and 4' 2" width (obese) rushes to me. I turn around and out the door. I then enter X 2 or whatever its called, formerly Forbidden City etc. Mamasan approaches me "I do not want fat waitress, says I". Mama supplies right girl, I tip when I leave later. Lots of girls on stage, bored, listless, one girl got spark, I call her down, full of smiles, energy and zest for life (wish I had it).

Told Mama I select cause she is trying!

Other places, mostly plain jeans, but the small number of pretty ones are hungry to be barfined. I asked two pretty ones at Candy Bar why they don't work in Walking St where the BF is 3000 and thus bigger cut for girl, Candy is 1600 BF. Girls said "No good Walking ST, BF3000 , hard to get bafined, easy here, Perimeter", and she is right. So at lower BF she makes more money. Someone with commonsense for a change. On the basis of that I barfined her and her attractive girlfriend. Mama gives me free beer for that, LOL.

High energy girls in the room, a pleasure to be with. Better than the 3000 Robots elsewhere.

No rain for sometime Angeles, they say. No rain since I have been here anyway.

So Sept looks a good month, oversupply of hungry attractive girls. The minority admittedly, but most probably totaling choice of a hundred every night, thousands of others continue to get fat on Jollibee.

Keep an eye on the doughnut, not the hole in the middle. That is what you have got, not what you have not got (Angeles).

Roadhouse was good, vibes music, and enough attractive ones. Only two customers. Next door Angelwitch, girls flat, one customer. Typical right now, 2/3 customers in each bar. Ration of girls to customer is excellent. You can feel 'the hunger' (for BF / money).

Oh well, suppose I had better try and fuck them all. Someones got to do it.

[NapaSlapper]

Sxxx,

Thanks for your interesting views.

It mainly goes to show that everyone has a different opinion, you state that candy bar is great and full of attractive girls, I would describe candy bar as probably the worst bar on perimeter road both for fun and for girls, maybe was good when the rev was the manager some good few years back and before it was raided but always walk in and walk straight back out when I visit now.

As for girls choosing to work at bars that charge much less bar fine for the girls compared to the larger bars on fields all I can say is don't believe what bar girls claim, if she had the looks and body to compete for barfines / drinks commissions with the girls on fields she would be there, why, many more high spending customers to choose from, higher salary, free room, double the drinks commission for girls, and guys making it rain and generally throwing money at the girls like it is going out of fashion, a totally different story than the very few money saving expats that mainly use candy bar, not knocking the bar but it is what it is.

As far as claiming lower priced girls are great in the room and higher priced girls are not again this is subjective to what a customer wants / likes, some guys might skip age looks body and go for a needy, chubby, oldie because he want his ass licked or he wants to do unusual acts something a young attractive slim girl would be reluctant to do because she is in much higher demand and can afford not to have to do them, that does not make the attractive girl less good in bed if the punter does not want his ass licked etc.

I am glad Sxxx you have found your areas in angeles that you find suit your tastes and way of mongering but remember it may not be for most, thanks and enjoy.

[ConquerorVal]

Nice road report, instead of the useless shit that has been posted here of late. I guess I got lucky at the Orange bar, because I was with my asian friend. Otherwise I would have been also ignored. Looking forward to returning to AC in couple of weeks or so. Keep the great reporting going. AC may not have many stunners, but I can always find cute spinners, which I prefer anyway.

[Socker]

Not dancing not doing anything for me. In walks a K, they all jump up and start gyrating around the place, like all their Christmas' had come at once. They count, we don't, when in K bar, and owner instructs girls to ignore us, concentrate on K fellow countrymen. Well, that's ok, plenty more bars. Nice to hear they got raided, revenge, LOL...Thanks for the great report as I will be there soon. I hope you're having a great time and it sounds like you know how.

About the K bars, I have never heard someone say the K bar owners are instructing their dancers to stay clear of westerners. I have never heard this.

Or felt that was happening. I tend to move around when there so I go to Perimeter and Fields bar both K and other, never heard anything like this.

I have experienced plenty of rejection because I'm not Asian but it seems random, a lady here or there won't make eye contact. I have never seen K customers behave in a negative way.

Regarding they be treated better than the western monger. I always thought it was business and the Ks are known to throw more money around, have smaller equipment.

And have more similar cultures to the pinays. Pinays like the Korean culture, music, TV and pop idols, etc. Just as the real pretty Thai ladies discriminate so do the hot AC BGs.

I've been in some bars like Tropics, or Las Vegas where the real hot BGs are solely for the Ks but I think it's the BGs strategy to make money, not an order from the boss. Another observation is that hot AC BGs.

Do not want to sit w / westerners because they'll be judged by their peers and maybe seen as damaged goods to the regular K clientele.

I like K bars because they tend to have better talent and I never feel resistance from the bar owner only from the lady of interest from time to time. Things are always changing and.

If it's real slow that should bring down some of these racial preferences by the BGs. On my last trip I definitely felt the climate was better for the western monger but things are always changing there.

I also think there's a significant percentage of women that prefer the westerners. I get a kick out of beating the Ks to a hot dancer but that's a 2 way street. Those guys are pretty sharp and have a good eye for talent and are quick on the trigger. That's why it's gratifying to win occasionally. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about the K bar owners and their rules.

I know I'll have fun. I hope the sun keeps shinning. Thanks again for the info.

[Freezone]

I've been to a few over the years, so this is my take on it (yours may vary).

1) can't say I have ever felt totally out of place as they will normally give you at least the basic standard treatment. Give you your order, ask you to pick a girl etc.

But having said that, I will say their total attitude is much more energetic to the K customers in general (even the ones acting like A-Holes). But could be because I've notice the K customers generally throw more money around than non-Ks.

2) Almost all girls I've ever taken from the K-bars (about 90% or 9 out of 10) will only go ST. Not sure if its the general rule for K-bars or only with non K-customers.

I'm always a LT person so this sucks big time as many K-bars have better lookers.

3) The air in K-bars are generally bad as most if not all K's smoke.

4) Its generally true that many girls are totally influenced by the K culture, from K-pop to K hairstyle to K dramas. Some of the girls not working in K-bars actually speak some very basic K-words as they watch the dramas. This influence goes beyond just the K-bars and reaches many other bars as well.

[Sxxxx]

Candy Bar. Word has it the K's come 12 noon and pick the best, we fuck the rest, LOL. Two shifts 12 noon start and 2 pm start. Girls who want K's, most prob the majority, apparently come at 12 noon. I have yet to prove that is fact or fable, think its fable cause I was there at 12 noon once and only 5 girls there, none of them a 6.

Last night Friday girls being barfined in a hurry. Its one of the few small vibrant bars. Next door Det 5 has been all decked out, fresh, smart look. Niee arrangement but no customers. Music excessively loud too. Even so I enjoyed it, especially cause I'd had a few beers beforehand, dulls the senses, LOL.

Bar (adjoining Angew Witch, already forgotten the name) . First night rock and roll, second night, same crap you hear all around Angeles (not Rock). I know the girls do not like rock and roll and its not so easy to do the foot shuffle too, but hey, we are the customers and they promote themselves as a Rock bar. Next door Angel Witch, same, same, not happening. Hey the bars are empty of punters. But as I said they are over filing with pussy. Nothing to complain about.

X2 by the way is actually Xs, they will be broke and out of biz within a year. Many before them did the same, in the same spot. Big joint equals big rent equals chasing too much (overheads). Got real lucky there, a Keeper (meaning ST every 2nd or 3rd day, LOL) at discount rate. I did not ask for discount but calling today before work, no barfine and Westcoast Rates, P500. Never asked for either but she reckons she is 4 days into her whoring career, and behaves so. Gone all ga ga over the first oldie (me) who bought her a LD. Admittedly I am a handsome brute, LOL. I will cherish this one. She is going to do a strip tease for me in the room. She doesn't know about it yet, but charged video batteries readying for her. She will do anything to please it seems. Strange infatuation or great acting ability, bit of both I suspect.

Tropix was good about 4/5 yrs ago. You can safely give it a miss these days though. Lollipop is always fun for me, but never bar fine there, just the same. Raa, IE, formerly Pharaoh etc etc etc, has turned into a 'kitchen'. No customers, lots of girls. Place looks crappy in my opinion, but food sales would help pay the rent. Had a bit of classy lounge look before, lost all that in the pursuit of the rent money (big place, big rents).

Arcadia was rocking, heaps of 5's girls and quite a few customers. Quality over quantity for me. Otherwise 'more beer' (mans best friend).

Simply put fella's there are attractive girls available and they are desperate for cash. Must be if they are fucking with me, LOL. The least number of guys around I have ever seen, and I have been in AC low season before. If you can't get a respectable fuck now, you never can.

Owners, girls all smiling and positive towards us right now, cause we are in short supply.

Don't get your hopes up too much going on my report, but arrive confident, yes.

Sunday, its church, and the vessel virgins.

I will report if Xs girl: 1. Does come 2. Does cum. Or she is a drama queen, who early in her career, is able to fool a veteran Monger like me. Report in the mail, tomorrow.

[Sxxxx]

Nice road report, instead of the useless shit that has been posted here of late. I guess I got lucky at the Orange bar, because I was with my asian friend. Otherwise I would have been also ignored. Looking forward to returning to AC in couple of weeks or so. Keep the great reporting going. AC may not have many stunners, but I can always find cute spinners, which I prefer anyway.Just to clarify my treatment at Orange was the exception. Usually they welcome me at K bars, especially the owners. If your reasonably clean and dressed, not a rowdy. No prob at K bars, other than they normally do not want to go with oldie whites. Barnana, 2 yrs ago, used to be a good place for me, and it was all K at the time, nice girls too. I see K type girls here and there (not K bars) . Time to pounce (pretty girls who behave like ladies. Is that what we want? Ladies who behave in bed like working girls, please).

[Golfinho]

I've been to a few over the years, so this is my take on it (yours may vary)..A variable take, for you:

We see Koreans all the time going into the hotel with their 'dates' at 7 pm And at 8 o'clock when we are just going out. Then, we see the same Koreans at the hotel roof bar pool with their dates at 1 am And later when we are coming back with our date. The next day at breakfast / lunch, we again see them at the hotel (CPT) restaurant. They must be doing 3 short times. Haha LOL.

As for Korean culture / behavior: we conclude they are aping the tropes of their conquerors, those Americans who liberated them sixty, seventy, however many years' ago from other more dominant Asian peoples.

[Member #4566]

I believe that girls in certain Korean bars are either expressly told or are otherwise strongly encouraged to avoid westerners. How do we explain that so many girls have a per se rule not go out with westerners? And why is it that the every girl in some bars has that per se rule?

Although boring Korean music and soaps are popular in the PI, western movies, sports, and fashion dominate.

The reason why the bargirls act that way can be understood if we look at the prostitution scene in Korea. Most Korean working girls do not accept anything but Korean patrons. My own conjecture is that if it gets known that a girl has a western customer she will find it difficult to have Korean customers. Further, that the reason for this is that Korean men have a deep-seated inferiority complex that is cultural. They are afraid that the girls will unfavorably compare them to westerners. You can call it a small dick complex.

BTW, the notion that Koreans are big spenders is mythology. A recent video link on the ISG forum features a PI bargirl who discusses the sentiments held by bargirls towards various nationalities. She says that Koreans are considered rude and stingy.

[BeachBoy46]

Hahaha. LOL. I once had a similar experience in a Perimeter Bar. I was heading to Fire Pit but the dick head trike dropped me at the wrong place. Started walking and popped into a couple to have a look. Very hot so I decided to have a beer. Walked in and all the girls were sitting or laying down with their phones of course. Music playing but no dancing. I thought WTF. After a while a waitress gave me a HOT SML very reluctant. Not a single girl even looked at me. WTF again. But all was soon explained. About 15 Koreans filed in, must be a bus load. IMMEDIATELY, up jumped the girls dancing and gyrating. Pushing pussies into Korean Faces etc etc. I,all alone, could not stop laughing as the whole scenario reminded me of the toys we all had many years ago called JACK IN THE BOX. Toy on a spring compressed into a box which sprang to life when the lid was opened. I left my hot beer and no tip but had a smile all day thinking about it. Never had a Pinay Jack in the Box. They were always clowns, which just about sums up my only K Bar experience. BB. Sorry this was in reply to theSxxx post of yesterday but i stuffed up the quote function. BB

[Golfinho]

I believe that girls in certain Korean bars are either expressly told or are otherwise strongly encouraged to avoid westerners. How do we explain that so many girls have a per se rule not go out with westerners? And why is it that the every girl in some bars has that per se rule? My own conjecture is that if it gets known that a girl has a western customer she will find it difficult to have Korean customers.You could very well be right.

Has anyone noticed that a larger percentage of girls working Korean bars seem to be of mixed parentage, indicating offspring of bar girl mother impregnated by some kind of Asian. This likely has some kind of implication on her preference choice of customer.

[Fastpiston]

Hahaha. LOL. I once had a similar experience in a Perimeter Bar. I was heading to Fire Pit but the dick head trike dropped me at the wrong place. Started walking and popped into a couple to have a look. Very hot so I decided to have a beer. Walked in and all the girls were sitting or laying down with their phones of course. Music playing but no dancing. I thought WTF. After a while a waitress gave me a HOT SML very reluctant. Not a single girl even looked at me. WTF again. But all was soon explained. About 15 Koreans filed in, must be a bus load. IMMEDIATELY, up jumped the girls dancing and gyrating. Pushing pussies into Korean Faces etc etc. I,all alone, could not stop laughing as the whole scenario reminded me of the toys we all had many years ago called JACK IN THE BOX. Toy on a spring compressed into a box which sprang to life when the lid was opened. I left my hot beer and no tip but had a smile all day thinking about it. Never had a Pinay Jack in the Box. They were always clowns, which just about sums up my only K Bar experience. BB. Sorry this was in reply to theSxxx post of yesterday but i stuffed up the quote function. BBThings never change. Many years ago, when there were bars everywhere in Ermita, I recall going into a bar. Same story. Zero interest in me, but in those days it was the Japanese that generated instantaneous attention. Koreans were still only eating kimchi in Korea in those days.

[Hutsori]

Has anyone noticed that a larger percentage of girls working Korean bars seem to be of mixed parentage, indicating offspring of bar girl mother impregnated by some kind of Asian.It seems more than any other Asian ethnicity Filipinas come in a variety of looks, more so in urban areas. As for those working in Korean bars I reckon the employer knows what most appeals to the customer. The Korean fellas like the fair-skinned doe-eyed ones just like the Filipino lads. The "exotic beauty", known also to locals as "the maid", doesn't get the same level of appreciation that many westerners have for her.



This likely has some kind of implication on her preference choice of customer.And runs the risk of a carnal family reunion with her unknown-to-her father, uncles, and half brothers.

[Golfinho]

It seems The "exotic beauty", known also to locals as "the maid", doesn't get the same level of appreciation that many westerners have for her.In the same level of appreciation that many westerners have for the Isaan look.

[Fresno]

Back in May during my last visit in paradise. I brought a bar girl back to my hotel for LT. I was looking forward to spending the night with her. After our first session of passionate lovemaking, she jumped in the shower, then started to gather her things as if she was going to leave. When I asked why she was leaving, she was surprised and then happy I wanted her to stay. She then told me she was use to BF with Koreans. She told me a Korean man parties with his friends and other girls most of the night. Then, when its time to go back to the hotel, he chooses one girls, sending the others home. He then has one quick session with her, then tells her to leave. She told me Koreans are more into the partying and showing off, and not really into what happens back in the hotel room. Not bad for 3000 P. Not like the Westerners who prefer to party less and spend all night in the hotel room, then leave in the morning with maybe 500 P to 1000 P. This story was confirmed by 2 other girls I BF during my visit in AC. No doubt, its all about the pisos.

[Edwin199]

Back in May during my last visit in paradise. I brought a bar girl back to my hotel for LT. I was looking forward to spending the night with her. After our first session of passionate lovemaking, she jumped in the shower, then started to gather her things as if she was going to leave. When I asked why she was leaving, she was surprised and then happy I wanted her to stay. She then told me she was use to BF with Koreans. She told me a Korean man parties with his friends and other girls most of the night. Then, when its time to go back to the hotel, he chooses one girls, sending the others home. He then has one quick session with her, then tells her to leave. She told me Koreans are more into the partying and showing off, and not really into what happens back in the hotel room. Not bad for 3000 P. Not like the Westerners who prefer to party less and spend all night in the hotel room, then leave in the morning with maybe 500 P to 1000 P. This story was confirmed by 2 other girls I BF during my visit in AC. No doubt, its all about the pisos.Yes, its correct, In Korea same culture, so girls like Korean man, can get more money with less effort, I think Japanese also similar way.

[Dg8787]

I haven't had much experience lately with bars on Walking Street as I been having plenty of action with perimeter bars. Therefore not much interaction with BG preferences with Koreans.

However I have become friends with a few of the massage girls who "offices" are in front of Cebuana. Every now and then these friends have new cute girls working with them and I would ask about them. The friends would tell me the new cuties would only go out with Koreans! It turns out that it isn't the 3-3-3 rule but that they feel the Koreans are better prospective BF material and future husbands. I am Facebook friends with them and sure enough I have seen postings of marriages to Koreans. I believe most of the Korean hubbies live in AC or at least Phils.

[BaboyDave]

I think on the topic of girls who prefer Koreans, there is a handful of reasons mentioned here from being larger spenders, not as well-equipped in bed and mostly group travelers looking more to party than spend time in the bedroom.

In my 5 visits to AC in the past 1.5 years I have only been refused service by a lady once in Atlantis, and that was a girl who later I found out is a Japanese hunter who attempts to be quick and barfine multiple times a night.

Regarding girls looking for long term relationships with their clients, I have met a few who have "boyfriends" and even a couple that have married a Korean guy, but I believe the most would dread this setup and would try to avoid it. I guess the bottom line is that like anything, YMMV.

Unless you're looking to party like a maniac with 15 girls around you, all you need is to approach the one girl you like and you'll not notice from there on if Koreans get a better deal or not.

[Member #4566]

they feel the Koreans are better prospective BF material and future husbands.This does not explain the exclusivity of these Filipinas. For example, I may believe that Japanese women make the best wives, but that does not mean that I am going to limit myself to them and only do business transactions (such as giving a massage) with them. There is more than just a preference. It is a bright line rule. Koreans have their own schools, beauty salons, restaurants, and churches and I further claim that they want their own exclusive pool of working girls to diddle. Moreover, I question whether they are such willing husbands and whether they are good husbands. I can't imagine these ajoshis supporting the extended families that western guys have to put up with.

[GoodEnough]

I think on the topic of girls who prefer Koreans, there is a handful of reasons mentioned here from being larger spenders, not as well-equipped in bed and mostly group travelers looking more to party than spend time in the bedroom.
I once had a bar girl explain to me that the reason she, and many of her co-workers prefer Koreans is that they finish so quickly, and then request the girls to leave. This means that some girls can garnish two or even three bar fines a night, and each fine requires very little work on their part. That's the most cogent, reasonable explanation I've heard. Who of us would not attempt to maximize his earnings in the easiest possible way?

GE.

[Sxxxx]

For some reason, this trip to AC is magic for me. Actually know why, its personal, but put simply "attitude". Right attitude gets the right results, until some one comes along and shafts you, LOL.

OK the' myth re K's getting the good girls at 12 n, first shift. I was there 5 minutes after 12. Result? Myth, bullshit. I said to girl what happened to the 12 noon story, she said a stampede of K's will happen 2/3 pm. I was there 2/3 pm, one K sighted, he stayed 5 minutes out the door empty handed. Don't worry about the K's guys, and as one said, the Japanese were all the rage years ago, yet we still got nice girls. Especially in low season it seems the K factor is not nearly as relevant. Hunger drives the girls to our front door. Hungry for money, cause numbers down equals cash flow down equals hunger for all and sundry, even their second choice, whitey's.

Two girls I barfined think it was Thurs, out the door they go Friday 2. 30 pm, barfined again. They are making money whilst the P3000 girls are hoping for a ladies drink. Attractive girls with brains make a killing on Perimeter. Little competition from other bar girls and keen punters wanting to fuck a 6 or 7 for 'half' price, makes it all happen. Many Perimeter bars have nothing to offer, but those that do, are nice to come across.

Found myself walking a long distance along Perimeter in the hot sun. Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. Arrive After School, an old haunt of mine. 30 micro skirted girls, school uniform. All eyes on me, only 2 other guys there. Tried them, no luck, now try me, LOL. I am not used to this kind of attention all the time. Naughty but nice. Some girls lifting their pleated mini skirt up exposing their panties. Anything for a feed (cash equals eats).

Walk next door to Roadies which is now K owned. Fat K owner staking out the door. He yelled some stuff to me, sort of telling me 'not welcomed'. His face said it all. Only K's in the bar, about 5 of them. No lookers, all Jollibees. Strange K's have rep for lookers. Roadies didn't see any lookers (maybe bar fined already).

Enough walking, trike back to Ice. Previous trip, loud, crowded, average girls, but looker. Hoping to see looker of previous trip again. Enter. Empty, 5 guys, 5 overweight 4's. Out of there I go.

Somehow found myself back in Walking St. Lanelot was OK. Walking down street and girl comes up from behind and locks her arm into mine, its the Xs girl who did not come as arranged at 4 pm. Thank Christ for that, only saw her before inside subdued lighting, now outside bright light. She's a dog. Bought her a LD then off. Gays dancing inside Xs, not kind of entertainment.

To Hollywood again for a 2nd try might be 4, 4's day off. Pull curtain back, there she is at the curtain. I scream, and take off (again).

To Ra again, two girls rush me and hug me. Oh, nice girls I met previous trip. They remembered me or my dick, not sure which. Ra is now a dogs breakfast. Out of there I go.

Equus (spelling) immediately spot a nice looking chick on merry go round stage. Short boyish hair style. She gave a little wave to me, I invited her to table. Unusual girl, very attractive, very quiet. Not a chatter box like the rest of them. Expensive bar fine, but hey we are only on the Planet once. Sophisticated, educated lady. Nice company after the other talkative 'chooks'.

Sunday now, girls in Church, confessing to the Priest whilst sucking his cock.

Life goes on.

[NapaSlapper]

Some bare facts that some of the old school members are not going to like, want to accept, so I aim this at the guys who want to visit for the first time or after a long break.

As constantly said, the top tier Angeles girls do not need to bar fine with anyone to earn the big money, I party with many Korean business associates and all get the same treatment / excuses as given to westerners, wrong time of month, too tired, I'm a cherry etc, these girls are just not in the business of fucking for a living.

Of the lower / next tear of girls. The ones that can get some high commission girl drinks but not enough and need to supplement this with the occasional barfine then these girls are looking for Koreans only from what I can see, why, most has already been said by other members but the main one is bar girls will go where the easy money is and that is the often much younger. Slimmer, high spending, short time loving Koreans.

The next tear of girls again find it hard to get many lady drinks and need to bar fine, they try their best to find a Korean but because mainly they are of the short dark skinned type of girl the Koreans just don't go for they will as a last resort go with westerners, mostly promise long time only to change to short time after 1 pop.

The lowest tiers of bargirl know they have no chance of attracting a Korean, these girls mainly work in the small perimeter bars that cater to westerners, these are the girls that will stay long time, accept the oldest, fattest of mongers for multiple pops, mainly because they have little choice.

There you go guys, some very brutal truths of the new Angeles, but truthful IMHO.

[ConquerorVal]

Not sure what kind of wife material one gets by marrying a prostitute(bar girl, freelancer etc), regardless of whether they are Thai, Pinay or other nationality. I realize that there may be different reasons why girls go into the profession, but there are many personality traits, and value systems that they share. No thank you, the Koreans can have them.

[Mr Enternational]

I think on the topic of girls who prefer Koreans, there is a handful of reasons mentioned here from being larger spenders, not as well-equipped in bed and mostly group travelers looking more to party than spend time in the bedroom.The question is why do mfs always want what they can't have? Why lament over the girls that just want Koreans? There are plenty more girls around. Just choose from them.

[BaboyDave]

The question is why do mfs always want what they can't have? Why lament over the girls that just want Koreans? There are plenty more girls around. Just choose from them.I totally agree with you, hence my last paragraph.

[BrainDrain]

I asked about that and the answer is no, the trike drivers said they can only go so far and then must let you off. I imagine that it would mean a little walking, but probably not the end of the world. The road is pretty barren and safe the last leg to the airport. Personally, I bit the bullet and took a taxi to Clark airport.Just to clarify that Trikes are not permitted on Clark base. They cannot go past the Main Gate (near SM Clark) or past Friendship gate. It is NOT an option to trike and walk.

If you want to go this method, you catch a Jeepney from Main Gate terminal.

[LordBastian]

I know this is the AC forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks.

[Sxxxx]

Sunday is quiet in most countries, same Angeles.

Best not to arrive on a Sunday.

Virgin sitting at table with me. Not sure how it happened, got to blame San Mig. P200,000 asking price, without me asking. I told her in the Western World we do not have to pay for hymens.

Some rain today, just a little. Boyish Hair fronted again. She's 22, lost her virginity 4 months ago to Singapore guy, who she found out, already had a wife.

See Bar, steady stream of K's who do not waste their time. No Ladies drinks, quick, out the door with BF. Guy comes in, buys a cup of tea and then dances with the girls. All kinds.

Nothing much happening, Sunday.

[NapaSlapper]

As has been said, the top tier Angeles girls do not need to barfine with anyone to earn the big money, I party with many Korean business associates and they also get the same treatment / excuses as given to westerners, wrong time of month, too tired, I'm a cherry etc, these girls are just not in the business of fucking any one for a living.

Of the lower / next tear of girls. The ones that can get some high commission girl drinks but not enough and need to supplement this with the occasional barfine then these girls are looking for Koreans only from what I can see, why, most has already been said by other members but the main one is bar-girls will go where the easy money is and that is the often much younger. Slimmer, high spending, short time loving koreans.

The next lower tear of girls find it hard to get lady drinks and need to barfine to earn piso, they will try their best to find a Korean but because mainly they are of the short dark skinned type of girl the Koreans just don't go for they will resort to go with westerners.

[NapaSlapper]

I know this is the AC forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks.Lloilo is not a mongers area full stop, one hardly sees a single foreigner on trips there, girls tend to be super shy and are just not seen on the arm of older westerners like in other major cities of the Phills.

There was back in 2014 a couple of very small bars catering to pinoys, they were located in Delgado street but not sure if still there or if they cater to foreigners.

My advice, don't go to Lloilo looking for P4P or hook ups, stick to the major cities, Manila, Cebu etc.

[WestCoast1]

I know this is the AC forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks.You posted the same question in the Makati forum. Please don't do that.

[Sxxxx]

You posted the same question in the Makati forum. Please don't do that.Research suggests he is another 'Manager'. Take but no give. Fellow Mongers tell us they are a curse and stuff up threads elsewhere. So lads, we resist here, to the bitter end, if necessary. Join the 'Managers Resistance Movement\ today. Fully paid up members only, of course.

I see in my Sunday report it reads "C Club. " Well I wrote see (as in letter of alphabet, IE, A, B, C) . But the software or phantom editor changed it to "See". Sentence makes no sense when it does that.

Imagine these girls asking P200,000 for their hymen. Suppose no harm in asking. She is 21 yrs old, Flip and still a virgin = either a religious freak, lesbian, or feminist, LOL. 'Boyish' (previously reported) reckons she too was a virgin 4 months ago. Sitting at same table, so maybe she is hinting its cheaper to keep fucking her at a greatly discounted rate. Don't know. Competition between girls is hot, as handsome punters like me are few and far between right now. Boyish keeps saying to girls "he (me) must have been handsome when he was young". Wish she wouldn't do that, LOL. Was? What about now? LOL.

Lots of guys report Angeles is not good for this that reason, yet I am having a great time. Must be something in the local water?

[Poopbunny]

Lots of K's smoking near me, the single most annoying thing for me.

Now I walk into the bar, if it's busy, I scan for a spot far from smokers or tell the girls I am looking for a smoke free spot and leave if there are no nice girls.

This trip, the center of attention of not K throwing $$, but a regular punter from Singapore tossing P1000 notes.

The girls all crowd around hoping for a brush with luck. Reminds me of tropical fish before feeding time.

Saw another punter giving $$ directly but putting it down their their bikinis, he is getting the right idea, at least he gets to touch the girls.

Notable bars.

Dollhouse. My favorite. Picked a girl I saw here the last time, saw her twice this time she had her tongue done. 1 LT + 1ST (did a runner). Saw 2 other girls I would have picked.

Crystal Palace. Lots of nice girls but 2nd time unlucky, too demure, too many restrictions, does not kiss, does not BJ, etc. Let her go.

Arcadia (was Nemesis / Genesis) - picked a really nice girl, could not even tell she was a MILF, no signs, tight body and pussy, saw her twice. 1ST & 1 semi LT (6 hours).

Dragon Bar. Lots of nice girls but the one I wanted was not available, very helpful mamasan, did not bug me for LD, I tipped her P100 when I left.

Club Asia. Nearly forgot about this place, small but nice ratio of decent girls, ended up with a young one pestering me to take her, promising me everything I wanted. Not great looking but nice session almost as good as a JAV cry session. She complained my dick was the biggest she had.

Ponytails. My favorite haunt for just a drink.

Viking. Saw a nice girl I had seen before but decided on something new.

Agasya. Often overlooked, was really nice in May, but too quiet this time.

Nice mix of new girls and girls I have seen before.

On some nights, I like to pick some girls I have seen before, no need to for all the Q&A hassles and endless LD pestering from others.

Also she appreciates repeat business and gives back in service.

Tips.

Food. Some cheap food P100 fries or even some peanuts from a vendor goes a much longer way than LD. People are hungry here.

I am finding myself thinking (sometimes dreaming) about AC, not only for the girls but other things like cheap cocktails, cheap beer, popcorn at some bars, the quirky salad bar at Swiss Chalet and yes the steak too.

Maybe I have been here too many times.

$2 for a beer with girls dancing, I can't get that for x3 in the real world and that is minus the girls.

[Sxxxx]

I finally got to Orange bar and Lipstick bar, reportedly raided recent days. Yep looks like they were raided, open now, with small number of girls who most probably were not in the bar at time of raid. At Orange, girl peeps her head through entrance curtain, on seeing me, screams, laughs, giggles. I think its because they have not seen a customer in days. "What a joke, we have got a customer". I entered, the girl has personality, and a fun nature (like me, LOL).

Sit down inside buy her a single ladies drink, she is a character, and can't stop smiling, laughing. She can't believe it, she has scored a ladies drink P175 or thereabouts, her share P50. Down in Equus Walking St 'Boyish' gets P50 for each of her singles drinks. Have to sell a lot of LD's to equal a Perimeter Rd bar fine. Perim Rd girls are inclined to bar fine, Walking St girls, LD's. I avoid the double ladies drink effort by saying to waitress "She is single (bar girl) , I am single, so single drink". They smile and trot off. Avoids ya looking like a Cheap Charlie. Lately I have been buying Boyish (hair style) doubles cause she is worth it. Had a P1,500 bill at Equus. Waitresses all and sundry got into relieving me of money. Biggest bar bill for a while, that one.

At see bar had a heated argument with old senior waitress. Fixed her up. If they don't show respect, stamp on them lads. We are the buyers, they are the sellers. Since when does the buyer suck up to a seller? Anyway I have got good relations with all the girls except that fucked up hag. Girls appreciated me standing up to the woman. She talks shit to the girls, told her "You don't talk to me like I am shit".

Just letting you know its not always smooth. Problems, very much the exception. This is the land of the smiles. Phils, not Thailand and their 'fake' smile.

Hit a number of bars last night. Atlantis is the king for numbers. Must be over 200 girls there on display, most tables and chairs taken. Not my scene, prefer the smaller more personal bars. None worth mentioning here. Oh yeah, gained access to Hollywood last night. 4 x 4 was not there, but 5 x 5 was, big sister. Hollywood would suit some. Many bars visited, not impressed enough to remember their names. No shortage of choice in bars lads. Took a liking to one near Atlantis, Centaurus? Liked it, had a revolving stage. Will be back there tonight.

Seems to be heating up, more punters than a week ago. The European hordes are arriving?

Tiring of Angeles, off to Cebu Saturday. Thought of a side trip to La Cafe, Glorietta 3, Burgos St, via a bus ride. But been there done that, going right back to the 1970's when my whoring career began.

Thanks for the response to the "Managers Resistance Movement". Don't want the pages filled up with those guys. Persistent resistance will ensure their effort to take over Phils threads with questions upon questions, will not succeed. We don't mind answering questions when we can see the person has done his research and just wants to fine tune. No problem with that.

More shagging the Phil girls. Someone has to do it.

OK, off to the sperm receptacles I go.

[California8]

Can anyone tell me the departure tax at Clark Field Airport when departing the Philippines?

[Dg8787]

Can anyone tell me the departure tax at Clark Field Airport when departing the Philippines?If you haven't paid for it in your ticket price then;.

Domestic is P150.

International is P750 assuming your are not OFW.

[California8]

If you haven't paid for it in your ticket price then;.

Domestic is P150.

International is P750 assuming your are not OFW.Thanks 8787, I want to be sure I have enough pesos when I leave.

[Sxxxx]

Philippies is fun, but not always.

Yesterday heavy argument I and bar, today another confrontation, trike driver this time.

Hop in trike off we go to destination, Margarita. 10 mtrs from Margarita he swings around and starts going back the way we had come. I said stop stop, he aid "running out of gas" We went about half way back from whence we came, then turned into an alleyway I thought Oh I am going to be be robbed. He stopped in the middle of nowhere and asked for the fare to Margarita. I told h I'm this is no good I have to pay another trike same money. He said yeh, yeh, I thought maybe some guys will pop out from somewhere any sec, gave him the full fare and high tailed out of that alleyway. Maybe the idea was to have a argument, he gets physical and in process robs me of my see ash.

Anyway, I will not catch a trike from same spot ever again. Had an agg resive one from same spot 2 yrs ago. I think they hate foreigners, at that spot. Right outside Kokmomos, opposite the main entrance. Crooks.

Last 24 hrs have been in bed with bad cold, now recovered and ready to rock and roll again. Feeling good. I don t let nasty incidents (not of my making) linger in my mind very long. Its on and ever forward.

Angeles still recommended.

[BrainDrain]

Anyway, I will not catch a trike from same spot ever again. Had an aggresive one from same spot 2 yrs ago. I think they hate foreigners, at that spot. Right outside Kokmomos, opposite the main entrance. Crooks.

Last 24 hrs have been in bed with bad cold, now recovered and ready to rock and roll again. Feeling good. I don t let nasty incidents (not of my making) linger in my mind very long. Its on and ever forward.

Angeles still recommended.So you caught the trike at the side road off Walking Street? I haven't caught on there just as it's not on my way anywhere.

I guess that place is a protected area as it's probably a good pickup for foreigners going home with their BF.

I've used the semi-official trike stop at the Phillies end of Walking St.

[BrainDrain]

If you haven't paid for it in your ticket price then;.

Domestic is P150.

International is P750 assuming your are not OFW.My understanding is that NAIA tickets include it in the ticket. All other airports including CEB, CRK etc etc still collect it directly.

We have to remember that they just don't have the administration infrastructure or interdepartmental trust to let the airlines remit it.

[Mr Enternational]

My understanding is that NAIA tickets include it in the ticket. All other airports including CEB, CRK etc etc still collect it directly.

We have to remember that they just don't have the administration infrastructure or interdepartmental trust to let the airlines remit it.I have not had to pay a separate departure tax at any airport in the Philippines in at least 2 years. That includes Cebu and Clark. Why wouldn't the airline be able to turn it over? They have to pay their rent and everything else. They are not going to risk losing the privilege to operate over not turning over the money.

[Dg8787]

I have not had to pay a separate departure tax at any airport in the Philippines in at least 2 years. That includes Cebu and Clark. Why wouldn't the airline be able to turn it over? They have to pay their rent and everything else. They are not going to risk losing the privilege to operate over not turning over the money.During the past two years I have paid the domestic departure tax P150 at Clark as recent as a few months ago. A year ago I flew out of CRK on international flight but do not remember if it was in the ticket price or not.

Last month I paid the departure tax P150 at TAC as usual.

Years (decades) ago the tax at NAIA was collected in the airline ticket price until one or more airlines went bankrupted and NAIA lost out of the money. Then they went to collection at the airport. Only within a little over a year ago did NAIA go back to collecting the tax in the ticket price. I believe the same time frame for Cebu airport the tax is built into the ticket price.

Turnover of the tax could be a complex accounting and tracking matter especially if you have so many booking agents and online services collecting it and are to forward it. As you may be aware forwarding of funds in Phil can have a shrinkage problem at times!

[Trevor2522]

Direct flights ceased in 2014 after running for a decade. Why was this? A downturn in Angeles monger business? Police crackdowns? Are hotels suffering after the building boom? Or have the East Asians stepped in to replace Western clientele? In short: is Angeles City still a viable destination? Thanks.

[Golfinho]

Direct flights ceased in 2014 after running for a decade.There's ongoing talk of diverting some domestic flights to Clark because Manila airport is so busy. Several weeks ago in the paper was a story of plan to divert the Tacloban-Samar flights to Clark. This may come to pass (at least partially) once the highway construction to NAIA is completely finished.

Why the Bangkok-CRK route was terminated is anybody's guess.

[Mr Enternational]

Direct flights ceased in 2014 after running for a decade. Why was this? A downturn in Angeles monger business?99% of the people on those flights were not mongers. Evidently the route was not feasible. I once bought a ticket on it for $1.

[Sxxxx]

So you caught the trike at the side road off Walking Street? Yep, that's the one. Someone at Kokomo's said those ones are the worst ones. All flips are saying the low season is lower than normal. Cash flow not there for girls or trikes = some might be into stealing. The European hordes did not arrive.

Doesn't stop folks having fun.

My fav bar Wed had worst line up ever. Thursday it had the best line up in Angeles. Phils, sunshine one day, raining the next.

Got to admit the attitude of girls is declining. Might be the unusually slack season, that's worrying them.

Plenty stories, no time to tell them. Here is one of them. Trike driver this morning looks European. He said he is German Filipino, never met his father in his life time, trike driver is now 47 yrs old. So your son is driving a trike cause you ran out on him, LOL.

Think I will go and meet that giggline girty at Orange Bar (not 'new' orange bar).

Leave Phils in about four days time. Will need 4 weeks to recover from trip. Jades for Phils, been too often too long.

Thailand and the sweet smiling mercenaries, next trip.

[BrainDrain]

I have not had to pay a separate departure tax at any airport in the Philippines in at least 2 years. That includes Cebu and Clark. Why wouldn't the airline be able to turn it over? They have to pay their rent and everything else. They are not going to risk losing the privilege to operate over not turning over the money.Hmmm, this is so weird. Are you including international or domestic?

I can vouch that I definitely pad on domestic CRK. CEB, then CEB. MNL as recently as June 2016. Plus international CRK. HKG.

Like all things in this country, things are not consistent.

[Sxxxx]

Oh I never thought I would be writing anymore, but hey Miss Angeles just arrived.

8 days every day at my fav bar and who gets up on the stage. A 9 (most probably a 10 , but I never give a ten). Never saw her before, bar fined quickly every day says waitress. But not today (most prob men, LOL).

Gentlemen if she isn't every guys dream, who is. Got the lot, wonderful face, hair, boobs, body, above average height. I called out to her 'hot', sent P100 to her and a unique gift from NY country (not expensive but terribly popular).

However I was in a difficult situation, had my daily barfine sitting next to me, who starts 2 pm, hot babe starts 12 noon I am told. So 12 noon tomorrow I will return and consummate the sexual relationship, we have not had and most probably never will have, LOL.

Doubt she will walk out the door with a guy my age, but will wait and see. I will be there 11.45 am, LD her immediately I see her, caress her pussy and off we go before the K's get her. That's the plan. Starfish? Most probably, but what a gorgeous one.

At least I saw a knockout chick, before I left AC.

Took 8 days and nights to discover her. Marry the girl? LOL.

[X Man]

Hopefully someone can clarify. Recently I walked up to pay and they waved me away. I think it was an international flight. It stuck in my mind because I thought it would have been easy to rip me off.

It might depend on the airline and it might depend on the travel agent. Hmmm, might also depend on the airport and / or the honesty of the airport staff. I did the CRK / CEB flight last month, much like BD, and I think I paid a fee.


Hmmm, this is so weird. Are you including international or domestic?

I can vouch that I definitely pad on domestic CRK. CEB, then CEB. MNL as recently as June 2016. Plus international CRK. HKG.

Like all things in this country, things are not consistent.

[X Man]

I can't imagine that there were many Germans in AC in 1969. Maybe the US airman was of German ancestry and there was a misunderstanding. Or maybe the trike drive has a preference. Maybe just doesn't much like people of the USA.

Then again, there is no reason to believe that he was born in AC. Other than the fact that he lives there.


Y
Trike driver this morning looks European. He said he is German Filipino, never met his father in his life time, trike driver is now 47 yrs old. So your son is driving a trike cause you ran out on him, LOL.

[Shining Wit]

Hopefully someone can clarify. Recently I walked up to pay and they waved me away. I think it was an international flight. It stuck in my mind because I thought it would have been easy to rip me off.

It might depend on the airline and it might depend on the travel agent. Hmmm, might also depend on the airport and / or the honesty of the airport staff. I did the CRK / CEB flight last month, much like BD, and I think I paid a fee.I think the international departure tax was included in the ticket price about 18 months ago. Certainly did not pay it in cash on either of my trips this year {Term 1 at MNL }and don't remember it on previous trip {Term 3}. I certainly remember on one trip looking for the desks and not seeing them and being surprised. I have a vague memory of reading about the change, because OFWs were charged it in the ticket price and had to reclaim it at the airport. They were not happy!

[Wicked Roger]

Hmmm, this is so weird. Are you including international or domestic?

I can vouch that I definitely pad on domestic CRK. CEB, then CEB. MNL as recently as June 2016. Plus international CRK. HKG.

Like all things in this country, things are not consistent.Some airline include the tax in the ticket. All should but who knows.

I am with Mr E on this in that I don't pay any tax either when using my favored carries. But in Cebu I have paid when using Air Asia as I forgot to tick the box when booking to pay it. The cutie with me did not pay as I has remembered to tick her box (and other things with a different box LOL).

[BaboyDave]

Some airline include the tax in the ticket. All should but who knows.

I am with Mr E on this in that I don't pay any tax either when using my favored carries. But in Cebu I have paid when using Air Asia as I forgot to tick the box when booking to pay it. The cutie with me did not pay as I has remembered to tick her box (and other things with a different box LOL).I remember paying it flying out around 2013 or Feb. 2014 from NAIA.

Since the beginning of 2015 I flew out of either MNL / CRK with various airlines. Cebu Pacific, Air Asia, Tiger air, Cathay Pacific, Turkish airlines and was never required to pay the fee. I was under the impression they now included it in the price of every ticket leaving the country.

[Socker]

Here we go w / the off topic stuff, hope it is moved to the General Forum before there are 3 pages of the airline ticket BS.

Got to AC yesterday after 3 days in Makati and the contrast after one day is brutal. After several clubs didn't see much worth taking out.

I know better than to react to this disparity in quality too quickly so will keep an open mind.

In a hour or so I will go out and earnestly look for a playmate on Perimeter and have high hopes, we'll see.

Fields Ave was crowded last night (Friday) but the clubs were barren of lookers, maybe because I started around 10 pm.

I'll put in more info as trip progresses but the idea of returning (earlier than planned) to Makati is creeping into my mind.

Also I might add coming here will give you a good idea of what it would be like to visit Korea.

[BrainDrain]

I'll put in more info as trip progresses but the idea of returning (earlier than planned) to Makati is creeping into my mind.
Good to hear from someone on the ground aka playground.

In AC there is 'someone for everybody'. There are 12,000 registered dancers plus freelancers and other opportunities. Each bar will have different experiences depending on the night, day and time. Just enjoy.

Do remember that the best experiences are often with average looking girls. Finding a girl that is pleasant to be with is a good thing too. I've had my share of BG that are good in the bed but I'm keen for them to leave because they are boring.

Consider that every girl also has a friend that she wants to help too. So, you can work your way through her Contacts.

Enjoy family day at SM. Take a seat at a food venue on the SM wing that leads towards the jeepney terminal. Smile lots. That will also work (and has been tested).

BD.

[NapaSlapper]

Good to hear from someone on the ground aka playground.

In AC there is 'someone for everybody'. There are 12,000 registered dancers plus freelancers and other opportunities. Each bar will have different experiences depending on the night, day and time. Just enjoy.

Do remember that the best experiences are often with average looking girls. Finding a girl that is pleasant to be with is a good thing too. I've had my share of BG that are good in the bed but I'm keen for them to leave because they are boring.

Consider that every girl also has a friend that she wants to help too. So, you can work your way through her Contacts.

Enjoy family day at SM. Take a seat at a food venue on the SM wing that leads towards the jeepney terminal. Smile lots. That will also work (and has been tested).

BD.12,000 registered dancers? Where do you get this number from? Maybe just wishful thinking LOL.

Have just been in Angeles last few days and every bar owner / managers are complaining at not being able to find dancers, not even fat ugly ones, most bars have huge signs outside stating dancers urgently wanted, top salary paid, most bars have very few girls where once they had many.

Most guys do not fly half way around the world at great expense to have to settle for average / fatty girls, average fatty girls are available in most guys own countries normally for free without the need and cost to travel anywhere.

As far as sitting outside sm on family day smiling, well, the only girls that smile at grand daddy are of the P4P type so any day will do, normal young girls out with their family have no interest in grand daddy at all so instead of getting a smile one is more likely to get a look of disgust in return IMHO.

Trip report on Angeles to follow in next few days.

[Socker]

Well I wanted to see what all the fuss was about at 12 noon at the Candy Bar. I thought I would have to get in line behind the Ks but I totally beat them to the punch. Candy had some tasty items but the one I wanted asked that I put off her BF for Monday and that's fine especially considering what I found at the next place, the Ice Bar. A real porn star w / big meaty Filipino tit, so I was a happy camper and enjoyed intense fucking w / all the extras included. I will see her again and post some shots later of these wonderful melons she let me devour.

As it was so good on the Perimeter I went back an hour after her to hit the Firepit. This place was wall to wall full of customers and pussy of which many were more than doable. After an hour there talking w / a very sophisticated dancer, she looked European and spoke English like a westerner. She had a slender body and cute face but she was almost too smart. She quit at 9 pm so that meant she wasn't available after 9 so I just enjoyed her company, we laughed and then I returned to Ice Bar where a beautiful little waif I spotted earlier was still there. It took all the charm I could muster to BF her but I got the job done. Very shy but could drink like a trucker during our brief bar hop.

In the room I had to fight for every little advance on her terrain but after 45 minutes of this she went into the CR and came out on fire. This little frail honey that reminded me of Bridget Bardot was a very sexy little fuck and I was full of SMLs so it took a lot of various angles of penetration to hit the ball out of the park. I was sweating like a big burly Turk and it didn't phase her one bit. She made me feel like Clark Gable and so it was a great night. We fell a sleep and she left at 8:30 the next day.

So my whole view of the town has gone 180 degrees and I'll stay for the originally planned number of days. I should be sick of great fucking and these giving honeys in a few days. We'll see. I have another 6 days here and then to Subic for 3 and then back in AC for 3 more. The Perimeter is the place to be these days as opposed to most of my trips where the hotties were on Fields Ave only.

In the Perimeter the BFs were 1500 and 1600 at these bars I visited yesterday. Candy Bar, The Ice House and the Firepit were all pretty good and the drink prices extremely low. I think the beers were 60 p and a single LD 120 P so I'm loving that almost as much as the great sessions I had yesterday.

I'll cut this TR short, I got to hit the pool and get some sun on this experienced body of mine and then my buddy and I will hit the perimeter bars further down at opening time.

Oh, did I mention many of these Perimeter BGs are busty as hell? Well unlike their Fields counterparts w / the string bean tit look, no tits or hips, the Perimeter bars had every body type a monger could wish for. I like variety and that's what I got yesterday. I'll see more of it today. I'm enjoying AC and the fun loving wild action one expects overtime out. I am batting a 1000 and will try and continue my hitting streak today.

Cheers.

[WestCoast1]

So my whole view of the town has gone 180 degrees and I'll stay for the originally planned number of days. I should be sick of great fucking and these giving honeys in a few days. We'll see. Cheers.Haha. The box of chocolates is alive and well in phils.

Hot *damn* I miss the place sometimes. Well, I miss the place that it used to be. The old Central Park, just a block from walking street, the Mexican resto, Santos and Raymond Streets, and Kok's. You could leave the CP at 3 pm and be back in the hotel by 3:15 with a pair of honies from Raymond / Santos for a ST, returning them to their bar before sundown. Rest a few hours and hit Body Shop around 10 pm and be back in CP with my LT honey by 10:30. What an amazing place. I'd f*ck like that for 2 days straight, then take the 3rd day off to rest. Rest means no sex, get a massage, hit the other bars like Butterfly Rock, chat up the ladies. Such a life.

[Socker]

Hey Westie!

Well just got back from my afternoon excursion deeper into the Perimeter bars, LIA, Roadies and After School. There were nice items in Roadies but it K only, a couple decent dancers gave us a smile but the vibe in there was not good. I let them know my thoughts as we were leaving. It was funny because we just sit down and I see this young beauty but she wasn't sending me any good vibes, not a glance. Nevertheless I asked the mama to bring her down and when she was informed of this request she walked down behind the other dancers and fled to the street LOL. Out the door was her way of saying no to Mr Whitey. When she returned I'm sure she noticed my rubbing my nose w / the middle finger. I made sure she noticed and then some K goof ball sat her down for a drink and left her a lone.

Roadies has been a K bar for a long time and I was always treated equally for the most part during the last 4 years, not anymore.

Stopped by LIA and nothing left in the cupboard then AS and only chubby 5's in there. I thought these bars opened at 2 pm but they open at 12 noon so we were way too late. I was okay w / everything because of the extra energy I expended the night before.

I was just in Shooterz and there were a few nice items and one that really got me so I call her down and buy her drink, moments later I am informed she's a Cheery Girl so I was played in Shooterz. There were other decent lookers w / big knockers so I'll return on Tuesday. They have a 2500 p BF and so that is why I am here now typing. The Perimeter bars have spoiled me.

Cheers, need to lay down now. There is a BG contest tonight at Tropic so I want to enjoy that w / a clear head. The small head has been getting a full workout but he now has to wait a bit for more. I am burned out.

Best.

[WestCoast1]

Hey Westie!

SNIP

Cheers, need to lay down now. There is a BG contest tonight at Tropic so I want to enjoy that w / a clear head. The small head has been getting a full workout but he now has to wait a bit for more. I am burned out.

Best.Good Field Reports (newbs take note).

A few more shots from the oldie-goldie days, when the bars and girls welcomed pics taken inside. You simply had to pull out a camera to have a half-dozen or so girls close in and start posing for half a dozen pics. Ahhhhhh. . . The old days!

[BrainDrain]

12,000 registered dancers? Where do you get this number from? Maybe just wishful thinking LOL.
This is the number widely quoted. It was collaborated by research on the size of the sex economy in Pampanga. Unfortunately I can't lay hands on it now. If you are in AC perhaps you can visit the museum and Clark and check the numbers with them which is where they have the research displayed.



Have just been in Angeles last few days and every bar owner / managers are complaining at not being able to find dancers, not even fat ugly ones, most bars have huge signs outside stating dancers urgently wanted, top salary paid, most bars have very few girls where once they had many.
Yep, all bar owners complain about something. Did you ask them about the crappy workplace and non-caring attitude that they offer?




Most guys do not fly half way around the world at great expense to have to settle for average / fatty girls, average fatty girls are available in most guys own countries normally for free without the need and cost to travel anywhere.
When a pinay calls herself with the 'fats' that is not a direct comparison to the fats that inhabit my local Tinder & Craigslist. The good thing about AC, like my post said, is that there really is something for everyone. It's on tap and on call.




As far as sitting outside sm on family day smiling, well, the only girls that smile at grand daddy are of the P4P type so any day will do, normal young girls out with their family have no interest in grand daddy at all so instead of getting a smile one is more likely to get a look of disgust in return IMHO.
I guess your mileage may vary. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you.



Trip report on Angeles to follow in next few days.Looking forward to it.

BD.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks for your input brain drain, not sure I need to visit any museum to check the numbers of girls working in Angeles as it is there to clearly see by all who visit.

Angeles has roughly 100 bars in total if the number of bargirls was indeed 12,000 then that would mean each bar having 120 girls.

As you will agree the biggest bar in Angeles with the most staff is Atlantis bar, the total amount of bargirls on my very regular visits are roughly 60 at the very most, A majority of the big fields bars having 20 dancers and a high number of bars under 10 dancers.

Perimeter bars mostly having even smaller numbers of girls so the 12,000 quoted is not in the remotest true, maybe 2000 girls and I would possibly agree.

The most important thing here is not the total number of girls on display but the total number of remotely attractive girls on display that are willing to barfine, unfortunately these numbers are a tiny % of the girls on display IMHO.

[Macho Dik]

Dear All,

I am planning my forthcoming trip to the Philippines, and I am getting some confusion as to how I am going to make use of my limited time there. At first I want to stay 3 nights in Manila hitting Ermita / Malate and then Burgos area, likely staying at new world manila bay hotel, plan to visit for sure LA cafe and get freelance in Robison's mall, then have another 1 or 2 nights searching for talent at one of the Burgos bar.

On the other hand, I also wanting to visit AC, plan to stay 2 nights there, may be staying in Lewis grand Hotel. I initially want to choose ABC but the price is way too high for my limited budget but I think ABC is located right at the heart of the mongering site while Lewis is on the far end, right? I am also confuse between Field avenue and Perimeter road, been reading all the posting here but the more I read the more confusion I got. I wonder which part I have to avoided for those bar only cathering for K clientele only? try to avoid hit and miss due to my limited stay there.

I need to booked my hotel earlier in Expedia as I have seen some hotel like ABC has price highier than last week checking.

Anyone wish to give me an advise, will Manila be worth to spend 3 nights and AC for 2 nights? Or should I do the other way around. I understand Manila specially Burgos is more pricely than compare to AC, in the portion of BF etc? but I don't. know which is more fan between Manila and AC?

appreciated for your valued suggestions. thanks

CHEERS,

Md.

[BaboyDave]

Dear All,

I am planning my forthcoming trip to the Philippines, and I am getting some confusion as to how I am going to make use of my limited time there. At first I want to stay 3 nights in Manila hitting Ermita / Malate and then Burgos area, likely staying at new world manila bay hotel, plan to visit for sure LA cafe and get freelance in Robison's mall, then have another 1 or 2 nights searching for talent at one of the Burgos bar.

On the other hand, I also wanting to visit AC, plan to stay 2 nights there, may be staying in Lewis grand Hotel. I initially want to choose ABC but the price is way too high for my limited budget but I think ABC is located right at the heart of the mongering site while Lewis is on the far end, right? I am also confuse between Field avenue and Perimeter road, been reading all the posting here but the more I read the more confusion I got. I wonder which part I have to avoided for those bar only cathering for K clientele only? try to avoid hit and miss due to my limited stay there..Hey MD,

As you've been asking the same question in multiple threads, I suggest you separate your question on the Manila part to the Manila thread and the Angeles questions to this thread.

As for the topic of how many nights to stay where, you have a really short time in either and will leave both cities with a taste for a lot more. On the one hand it may be advised for 5 nights to just skip the long commute and just stay in one place, on the other these are two places I would not want to miss out on, really.

As for your specific Angeles question, here are my insights:

ABC and Lewis Grand are 5 minutes walk apart, no real difference in location there.

The "center of action" really depends on the type of action you are looking for, if you take a look at Google Maps, you'll find that the "perimiter" daytime bars are on the corner of Don Juico and 21st street (just search ABC for example and scroll a bit towards west), then Ponytails bar, which is a night-time bar is right next to ABC. Walking street however which is the heart of the tourist and night time partying area starts, if you scroll east, on the corner where 21st splits to Fields Ave and Mitchell Ave, all the way down on Fields to where it ends on McArthur Ave.

The "blow row" is on A Santos road coming off of Fields Ave.

So basically, the middle of the action really depends on what kind of action you are looking for, since you are a first timer, I would recommend staying as close to walking street as possible, as that is where the majority of things to do is, and Angeles can be quite a shock to newcomers (it is the Philippine province, after all).

I've already posted this to you, I recommend either ABC (which is a bit far off) or FPS (Fields Plaza Suites), which is an ABC hotel and also right on top of walking street. If that exceeds you budget, Central Park is close enough.

Enjoy,

D

[NapaSlapper]

Dear All,

I am planning my forthcoming trip to the Philippines, and I am getting some confusion as to how I am going to make use of my limited time there. At first I want to stay 3 nights in Manila hitting Ermita / Malate and then Burgos area, likely staying at new world manila bay hotel, plan to visit for sure LA cafe and get freelance in Robison's mall, then have another 1 or 2 nights searching for talent at one of the Burgos bar.

On the other hand, I also wanting to visit AC, plan to stay 2 nights there, may be staying in Lewis grand Hotel. I initially want to choose ABC but the price is way too high for my limited budget but I think ABC is located right at the heart of the mongering site while Lewis is on the far end, right? I am also confuse between Field avenue and Perimeter road, been reading all the posting here but the more I read the more confusion I got. I wonder which part I have to avoided for those bar only cathering for K clientele only? try to avoid hit and miss due to my limited stay there..First off 5 odd days to cover all of the Nanila P4P areas and get to angeles as well might be a stretch too far.

If you want to try Manila then I would recommend the makati area as probably the safest area in Manila to stay with Burgos street bars an excellent choice if one is seeking the best looking girls but obviously at high prices, other areas of Manila I find more dangerous with fewer good looking girls but cheaper prices, so up to you as to how much you want to spend and how important safety and the best girls are to you.

As far as Angeles, well the girls are definitely a big step down from Manila girls but cheaper prices.

Lewis grand is a great hotel and although it is not on Fields avenue it is not far and offers a 24 hour free limo service to any area within Angeles.

As far as avoiding bars that are korean owned or bars that have girls that prefer koreans the simple answer is you can't, both fields avenue and perimeter road have a very high number of therse bars, Koreans are the number 1 punter in angeles they outnumber westerners by large numbers and the girls definitely prefer to spend time with them.

Hope this has been of use to you in your upcoming trip, do not forget to give back to the board with a full trip report, enjoy.

[Mr Enternational]

I am also confuse between Field avenue and Perimeter road, been reading all the posting here but the more I read the more confusion I got. It is actually the same street, but the part that is called Perimeter is about 2 km up from the Walking Street part of Fields. It is called Perimeter because it runs around the perimeter of Clark Air Base. So it is just 2 different sections of the same street. Lewis Grand is at the beginning of the Perimeter part of the street.

[Macho Dik]

It is actually the same street, but the part that is called Perimeter is about 2 km up from the Walking Street part of Fields. It is called Perimeter because it runs around the perimeter of Clark Air Base. So it is just 2 different sections of the same street. Lewis Grand is at the beginning of the Perimeter part of the street.Thanks Enternatinal,

This is very well informative details for me.

Lewis grand hotel seems to be nice in their webpage. I wonder, there is more bars around perimeter road or on the other end (field avenue)?

I Remeber there is a bus company by the name of Philipines Rabbit that serve between Manila and Angeles? Or is there any much better transports to drive me from my hotel in ermita to Angeles city? I try to avoid taxi or solo passenger, any mini van or bus that has different passengers? I still feel the peace and order in the Philippines is still some thing to worry about.

Cheers,

MD.

[Simmer]

I need to booked my hotel earlier in Expedia as I have seen some hotel like ABC has price highier than last week checking.Try to find the hotel's own website. Sometimes they are cheaper. Some websites. Though not Expedia as far as I know. Will raise the price to make you panic buy if you visit with the same / similar search in a short space of time.


Anyone wish to give me an advise, will Manila be worth to spend 3 nights and AC for 2 nights? Or should I do the other way around. I understand Manila specially Burgos is more pricely than compare to AC, in the portion of BF etc? but I don't. know which is more fan between Manila and AC?LA Cafe, Robinsons freelancers would be your cheapest probably, 1500-3000.

EDSA EC is somewhere in the range of 2500-4000 including bar fine I think.

FL168 something like 2500-3000 for the use of the room and one girl.

Burgos / Makati freelancer 3000.

Burgos / Makati bargirl including barfine 5000-8000 (add more for drinks).

I may be horribly wrong on the latter prices and I would appreciate some corrections. As ever, most things are negotiable and depend on age, beauty, and bargaining skills.

Angeles 2000-3000 including barfine and girl. Perimeter cheaper than Fields.

Given the choice, money, and stamina I'd stay longer in Angeles. Some of those bars have wall to wall ladies in bikinis, often in a good mood. I've also been taken to the mega strip clubs in Quezon City and was bored witless.

[Member #4698]

I am planning my forthcoming trip to the Philippines, and I am getting some confusion as to how I am going to make use of my limited time there. At first I want to stay 3 nights in Manila hitting Ermita / Malate and then Burgos area, likely staying at new world manila bay hotel, plan to visit for sure LA cafe and get freelance in Robison's mall, then have another 1 or 2 nights searching for talent at one of the Burgos bar.

On the other hand, I also wanting to visit AC, plan to stay 2 nights there, may be staying in Lewis grand Hotel. I initially want to choose ABC but the price is way too high for my limited budget but I think ABC is located right at the heart of the mongering site while Lewis is on the far end, right? I am also confuse between Field avenue and Perimeter road, been reading all the posting here but the more I read the more confusion I got. I wonder which part I have to avoided for those bar only cathering for K clientele only? try to avoid hit and miss due to my limited stay there.

Anyone wish to give me an advise, will Manila be worth to spend 3 nights and AC for 2 nights? Or should I do the other way around. I understand Manila specially Burgos is more pricely than compare to AC, in the portion of BF etc? but I don't. know which is more fan between Manila and AC?

Md.MD, who can say which area you will like more? Some like Makati, some like Malate, while others like AC better. Eventually you should check out all 3 areas and decide for yourself. My advice for you this trip is don't try to do everything because you can't. 5 nights is not a lot of time. You should concentrate on one area or at the most two. Makati would be my 1st choice followed by AC for a well rounded trip, but your budget is a very deciding important factor. Burgos Bars are expensive yes, but on the other hand, the girls are great and there is very little BS. They all want you to barfine them and service and attitude is usually very good. Period. MBC in Ermita / Malate is cheap, but quality is sparse although the girls are friendly. The Havana Cafe pickup scene in Greenbelt Mall (Makati) and Burgos Street massage girls are roughly of the same or slightly better quality as MBC FL's and are available with similar pricing.

AC is altogether another story. There are a ton of bars, large and small with girls of varying quality. Prices start better than Burgos, but the popular (better looking?) girls in certain bars do not come cheap. Top top price is 4500p. You can easily spend a week here with a different girl each night. The Lewis Grand is 2 blocks further down the road from ABC. It is walkable to Fields, but they also provide a Hotel Limo for free transport (so does ABC) to anywhere on Fields / Perimeter Road and SM mall. Tuk Tuks back to your hotel when in the company of your girl (s) is the preferred mode of transport although some of my girls enjoy walking back, stopping off for food or a drink along the the way. Aside from the price advantage over ABC, the Lewis has a real pleasant swimming pool which is a nice place to cool off during the hot afternoons and a great place to recreate with your girls later at night. It never closes.

So whatever you decide, I think you will have a great time spending A) 5 nights in Makati or B) flip a coin and do 2 or 3 nights in Makati and the corresponding balance of time in AC, or C) 5 nights in AC. I know that once you have sampled Filipinas you will be back for a 2nd, 3rd, .. 200th trip, Ha Ha, so don't over think it. Select a course of action, don't look back, and the rest will take care of itself.

[Mr Enternational]

Lewis grand hotel seems to be nice in their webpage. I wonder, there is more bars around perimeter road or on the other end (field avenue)?

I Remeber there is a bus company by the name of Philipines Rabbit that serve between Manila and Angeles? Or is there any much better transports to drive me from my hotel in ermita to Angeles city?There are more bars on Fields, but that is not a worry. You can either walk or take a trike to the Perimeter bars.

As far as bus companies, I prefer Victory Liner. It is located in the Pasay (pronounced pa-sai) area of Manila. Just hop in a taxi in front of your hotel and say Victory Liner Pasay. The taxi should not be more than 150 pesos. Then when you get to the bus station go to the window and tell them you want the bus to Dau (pronounced the-oo). More than likely they will point to the bus that is going and you will pay for your ticket after you are in the bus. I think it is 140 pesos. Then when you get to the Dau station you take a trike to your Angeles City hotel 5 minutes away for 80 pesos.

[Macho Dik]

There are more bars on Fields, but that is not a worry. You can either walk or take a trike to the Perimeter bars.

As far as bus companies, I prefer Victory Liner. It is located in the Pasay (pronounced pa-sai) area of Manila. Just hop in a taxi in front of your hotel and say Victory Liner Pasay. The taxi should not be more than 150 pesos. Then when you get to the bus station go to the window and tell them you want the bus to Dau (pronounced the-oo). More than likely they will point to the bus that is going and you will pay for your ticket after you are in the bus. I think it is 140 pesos. Then when you get to the Dau station you take a trike to your Angeles City hotel 5 minutes away for 80 pesos.This is indeed a very big help. Never thought that the bus station is quite near to my hotel in ermita.

I will save more money by taking the bus rather than by a private car. Hope the way to Dau is not long and traffic. My plan is checking out my ermita hotel before noon time or right after lunch so that by the time I reached AC may be it is about time to start my search. Hope to avoid any K bar. By the way I have seen bar fine ranges from 1200-2000? Is this to paid directly to the bar I guess? Will it be since it is prepaid, the talent then may try to provide bad service or change from LT to ST later blah blah blah? I am a bit worried as unlike in Bangkok, I only pay bar fine to bring the girl out and pay the girl the next day after the deeds. May be avoid some I reputable bar with bad customers comment?

Cheers,

MD.

[Shining Wit]

There are more bars on Fields, but that is not a worry. You can either walk or take a trike to the Perimeter bars.

As far as bus companies, I prefer Victory Liner. It is located in the Pasay (pronounced pa-sai) area of Manila. Just hop in a taxi in front of your hotel and say Victory Liner Pasay. The taxi should not be more than 150 pesos. Then when you get to the bus station go to the window and tell them you want the bus to Dau (pronounced the-oo). More than likely they will point to the bus that is going and you will pay for your ticket after you are in the bus. I think it is 140 pesos. Then when you get to the Dau station you take a trike to your Angeles City hotel 5 minutes away for 80 pesos.Sorry, Mr E, but the standard advice on using Victory Liner from Pasay is not necessarily the best. I use Victory Liner to Subic from my hotel in Ermita. I generally use Sampaloc (Earnshaw) terminal, although Caloocan may be a better bet with greater frequency to Dau (Angeles). Pasay is south of Ermita, with the other two to the north, so going there will mean covering the same ground twice. Something to remember is that the ticket office (where I have found that you do pay) writes the bus fleet number in the ticket, so that is what to look out for. So MD doesn't get too hopeful, I get the impression that they allocate seats to single travellers so the same sex sit next to each other. 3 hours at lunchtime should be reasonable to get to Dau from the hotel.

I find it a fun way of travel, although whether you get the 'in flight' movie may be a matter of luck.

Happy hunting.

[Macho Dik]

Sorry, Mr E, but the standard advice on using Victory Liner from Pasay is not necessarily the best. I use Victory Liner to Subic from my hotel in Ermita. I generally use Sampaloc (Earnshaw) terminal, although Caloocan may be a better bet with greater frequency to Dau (Angeles). Pasay is south of Ermita, with the other two to the north, so going there will mean covering the same ground twice. Something to remember is that the ticket office (where I have found that you do pay) writes the bus fleet number in the ticket, so that is what to look out for. So MD doesn't get too hopeful, I get the impression that they allocate seats to single travellers so the same sex sit next to each other. 3 hours at lunchtime should be reasonable to get to Dau from the hotel.

I find it a fun way of travel, although whether you get the 'in flight' movie may be a matter of luck.

Happy hunting.Thanks Shinning Wit.

This is another informative advise, will consider on the terminal to take for Dau.

As I have few days business to look after in Manila and I think after my business there been done, then I can spent the rest of my time in Angeles city, do you think this is an intelligent way? Not sure what I can get in Angeles as compare to Manila, never been there, so with mix feeling. Base on what I read here, Many Korean around there that is the first choice of the girls there, I don't. Why? The money they pay? The look? Or the size of their "C**K"? I hope to avoid those bars that only cather to K, as I don't. Want to waste of my mongering time there. Finding gems in AC? I wonder if I will be fortunate enough. Still planning this trip as I am excited to meet and taste Filipina Pus*why soon.

More info and advises will certainly a big help. Thanks!

Cheers,

MD.

[Sammon]

Thanks Shinning Wit.

This is another informative advise, will consider on the terminal to take for Dau.

As I have few days business to look after in Manila and I think after my business there been done, then I can spent the rest of my time in Angeles city, do you think this is an intelligent way? Not sure what I can get in Angeles as compare to Manila, never been there, so with mix feeling. Base on what I read here, Many Korean around there that is the first choice of the girls there, I don't. Why? The money they pay? The look? Or the size of their "C**K"? I hope to avoid those bars that only cather to K, as I don't. Want to waste of my mongering time there. Finding gems in AC? I wonder if I will be fortunate enough. Still planning this trip as I am excited to meet and taste Filipina Pus*why soon.

More info and advises will certainly a big help. Thanks!

Cheers,

MD.If you are staying in Ermita best way to go to Angeles City is by Swagman fly the bus. Cost 600 pesos. You can do a search online for the timings. I usually take 11.30 AM and arrive at my hotel in Angeles by 2 pm or earlier. Going by public buses may save you couple of hundred pesos but not really worth it. Swagman bus is safe, secure and they drop you off at your hotel along with your luggage.

As to advice regarding best bars, girls etc there is no hard and fast rules. Your experience may vary from others. Read through all the posts to get a general idea.

Generally with hundreds of girls to choose from you will have no problem finding one to your liking irrespective of competition from any other ethnic group or their spending habits. Always money talks with bar girls.

[Erasmus B Dragin]

Another option I've tried on 2 occasions is the Southern Cross bus. I've taken it in both directions, most recently from the Wild Orchid in Barrio Barretto (Subic Bay / Olongapo) to Manila. The big advantage over Victory Liner is convenience; from Manila, it departs from the Southern Cross hotel in Ermita and is express to AC, where it arrives at the Orchid Inn. The same bus leaves the following morning for BB, where it arrives at the Wild Orchid.

This is a much more convenient solution from BB to Manila than Victory since it eliminates the need for an additional trike / taxi to Olongapo city, which is where Victory Liner service begins. The bus goes between Manila, AC & BB with no additional scheduled stops, though it may drop or pick up a few passengers along the way.

The only issue with Southern Cross is scheduling; only one bus daily between Ermita and AC, departing at 3:30 pm, and from AC to Ermita, at 3:45 pm.


Sorry, Mr E, but the standard advice on using Victory Liner from Pasay is not necessarily the best. I use Victory Liner to Subic from my hotel in Ermita. I generally use Sampaloc (Earnshaw) terminal, although Caloocan may be a better bet with greater frequency to Dau (Angeles). Pasay is south of Ermita, with the other two to the north, so going there will mean covering the same ground twice. Something to remember is that the ticket office (where I have found that you do pay) writes the bus fleet number in the ticket, so that is what to look out for. So MD doesn't get too hopeful, I get the impression that they allocate seats to single travellers so the same sex sit next to each other. 3 hours at lunchtime should be reasonable to get to Dau from the hotel.

I find it a fun way of travel, although whether you get the 'in flight' movie may be a matter of luck.

Happy hunting.

[Shining Wit]

Another option I've tried on 2 occasions is the Southern Cross bus. I've taken it in both directions, most recently from the Wild Orchid in Barrio Barretto (Subic Bay / Olongapo) to Manila. The big advantage over Victory Liner is convenience; from Manila, it departs from the Southern Cross hotel in Ermita and is express to AC, where it arrives at the Orchid Inn. The same bus leaves the following morning for BB, where it arrives at the Wild Orchid.

This is a much more convenient solution from BB to Manila than Victory since it eliminates the need for an additional trike / taxi to Olongapo city, which is where Victory Liner service begins. The bus goes between Manila, AC & BB with no additional scheduled stops, though it may drop or pick up a few passengers along the way.

The only issue with Southern Cross is scheduling; only one bus daily between Ermita and AC, departing at 3:30 pm, and from AC to Ermita, at 3:45 pm.Agree that Southern Cross would be more convenient to / from AC, as it avoids connecting between hotels and bus terminals, possibly at both ends. Personally, I would find departure times means a lot of hanging about doing nothing waiting. Also the AC to Manila run looks like it arrives after 5 pm, which is hardly ideal in Manila. Obviously, different strokes for different folks.

I don't follow your convenience argument about BB, though. As you say, SC requires an overnight in AC, against the possible advantage of delivery to your hotel on Baloy Beach. VL to Iba and / or Santa Cruz pass through Olongapo and the National Highway through BB. Depending how busy / on the ball the conductor is, they will stop virtually opposite your hotel on NH. Advertised frequency from Sampaloc on my last trip in April was at 10 am, noon and 2 pm (the times that interested me, they increase to hourly later in the afternoon), although reality can be different. The return can be more problematic, as identifying the bus as VL, reading the destination board and flagging it down is not the easiest. A trike or jeepney to Olongapo is not going to break the bank.

[Macho Dik]

Dear guys,

Those have been a very informative for me, specially I am in the middle of planning my forthcoming visit to the Filipina P**sy world.

I am planning to have 3 days business in Manila plus evening P*s*y venture along LAC, Robinsson Malls, G-Point and Burgos club. This will be Wednesday to Friday.

On Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday will be my venture in AC, questions, is Saturday a peak time with lot of customers that may lessen our chance for a great pick? How about Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, will those be the period of mostly resting day of those girls (due to less customers)? Huh, I wonder if that will be the case and which means I have to avoid going AC during those days of the week?

Now, may be a little part that I need to be updated here, the present Bar fine in AC Bar girls are between 1200 to 2000 pesos or higher? How this work? Pay upfront before taking out the girl or pay after the deeds next morning when she going to leave? I also read here that some one start their pick at noon time? I think those will be for ST? as it is impossible for the girls to be with you that long period?

Thanks!

MD.

[BaboyDave]

Dear guys,

Those have been a very informative for me, specially I am in the middle of planning my forthcoming visit to the Filipina P**sy world.

I am planning to have 3 days business in Manila plus evening P*s*y venture along LAC, Robinsson Malls, G-Point and Burgos club. This will be Wednesday to Friday.

On Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday will be my venture in AC, questions, is Saturday a peak time with lot of customers that may lessen our chance for a great pick? How about Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, will those be the period of mostly resting day of those girls (due to less customers)? Huh, I wonder if that will be the case and which means I have to avoid going AC during those days of the week?.MD,

Your excitement is quite charming however you really need to start reading this thread and maybe run some google searches, they will take you a long way.

In a nutshell, however, Angeles has action every day of the week, obviously weekends are a bit busier, but it is still packed with ladies all around.

Barfines are fines paid to the bar, so you pay the bar for the privilege of taking the girl with you before leaving, in Angeles girls do not expect extra tipping, but if the service is good giving something extra is at your discretion.

Prices will go as low as 1,500 in afternoon bars on perimeter, most girls at night in walking street will go for 2,500 to 3,000.

Enjoy,

D

[IllusionHeart]

Now, may be a little part that I need to be updated here, the present Bar fine in AC Bar girls are between 1200 to 2000 pesos or higher? How this work? Pay upfront before taking out the girl or pay after the deeds next morning when she going to leave? I also read here that some one start their pick at noon time? I think those will be for ST? as it is impossible for the girls to be with you that long period?

Thanks!

MD.MD, bar fines on perimeter bar range from 1200 to 1800, I have usually paid around 1500 p. It is paid upfront at the bar. The normal stay time for the girls will range between 9 pm to 12 pm when they leave. This is something to be discussed upfront with the girl before you decide to pay the BF. If you establish a good connection with the girl then she might stay till next day morning / afternoon. Do discuss this and all your requirements in advance with the mamasan / girl.

Barfine for girls from Fields Avenue will be approx 3000 p. This is also to be paid upfront unless you have some magical charm and girl decides to take it later from you. Never happened with me, always have paid upfront. I have had girls stay till next day afternoon and some who woke me up at 8 am asking for tip as they wanted to leave. You do need to discuss your requirements in advance.

Despite all of this you might have a runner, girl who goes after one pop making various reasons despite agreeing to all you have asked her before paying the barfine. Don't waste your time over it. Has happened to most of us. Just move on and enjoy the rest of the trip.

[SaltyPete]

Try to find the hotel's own website. Sometimes they are cheaper. Some websites. Though not Expedia as far as I know. Will raise the price to make you panic buy if you visit with the same / similar search in a short space of time.

LA Cafe, Robinsons freelancers would be your cheapest probably, 1500-3000.

EDSA EC is somewhere in the range of 2500-4000 including bar fine I think.

FL168 something like 2500-3000 for the use of the room and one girl.

Burgos / Makati freelancer 3000.

Burgos / Makati bargirl including barfine 5000-8000 (add more for drinks).

I may be horribly wrong on the latter prices and I would appreciate some corrections. As ever, most things are negotiable and depend on age, beauty, and bargaining skills.

Angeles 2000-3000 including barfine and girl. Perimeter cheaper than Fields.

Given the choice, money, and stamina I'd stay longer in Angeles. Some of those bars have wall to wall ladies in bikinis, often in a good mood. I've also been taken to the mega strip clubs in Quezon City and was bored witless.This is a great list, Simmer! I'd like to correct the prices at EDSA, though. Php1950 is paid to the bar and the girl charges 2000-2500ST, 3500-4000 LT. So yeah, it is not the cheapest option. But for me, it is the best.

[Shining Wit]

Dear guys,

I am planning to have 3 days business in Manila plus evening P*s*y venture along LAC, Robinsson Malls, G-Point and Burgos club. This will be Wednesday to Friday.

MD.All I would suggest is that you stay somewhere convenient for your business meetings. Traffic can be horrendous in Manila at any time, but especially in peak times. Friday starts early (Poets day. Push off early tomorrow's Saturday). Makate and Ermita are 45 minutes by taxi on a good day, so bear in mind that girls might not be too keen to travel and then spend time returning. G Point and LAC are freelancer bars, and I suspect LAC draws 'weekend warriors' who spend their entire time there unless they get taken out, so might not want to spend time / money returning from Makati.

[X Man]

This is probably good advice for someone on a once in a blue moon trip. Another strategy is to pop into the bar and make a complaint. But do so with a smile and without any unnecessary confrontation.


SNIP….

Despite all of this you might have a runner, girl who goes after one pop making various reasons despite agreeing to all you have asked her before paying the barfine. Don't waste your time over it. Has happened to most of us. Just move on and enjoy the rest of the trip.

[NapaSlapper]

This is probably good advice for someone on a once in a blue moon trip. Another strategy is to pop into the bar and make a complaint. But do so with a smile and without any unnecessary confrontation.With due respect X, what exactly will one be complaining about, a runner?

As you are fully aware prostitution is illegal all over the Phills, taking a bargirl to your room for sex is HT which carries a mandatory 20 years in jail and is an unavailable offence if caught, the same for the bar that supplied said girl.

Please don't tell me that you actually think any one in the bar industry is going to admit to supplying girls for prostitution.

Best advice is fully expect most girls to skip early, do not complain to anyone, as said it could land one in very deep shit, pay up and move on with a smile.

[Sxxxx]

At least partly to blame for the one pop runners, are the K's.

They do the trophy tour around the bars with their poon of choice. Some send girl home after that, others have the audacity to take them back to their room, wherein there is a very brief one pop, then the request for the girl to leave.

Back home now after a great tour of a much maligned Supermarket for Sex, Angeles City.

Had to exit quickly cause my pm box was full of requests for Miss Angeles City 2016.

Well, news for you is, she is curled up in my bed, back home, thou's of kms from Angeles.

When its time to pounce, you pounce!

Which reminds me of the old saying: "he who hesitates is lost".

She told me, too many guys are shy in her presence. Not me. Got game, got money, get honey, LOL. Hard to beat cashed up Sugar Daddy's.

Enjoy now, that the season of enjoyment is yours.

One thing for sure. Laugh, smile, and spend! (within your limits). There are not many "sperm receptacles" around that can resist that approach. Not many at all, especially when there are so many poker faced guys around, on a strict Budget, LOL.

Oh, she is calling. Another trip to the Shopping Mall. Is she shopping for clothes or for a younger guy than me?

[Sxxxx]

Macho Dik,

I read your last post. It looks too much like the 'Manager' style.

Surely you know the answers to the questions you pose?

If you had read my post only a few days ago you would not be asking some of those questions.

As I am generous by nature, I will give one little tit bit of info you should already know, from reading this forum. Your telling me your going to be in AC, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. With the exception of Saturday, you could not have made a worse choice of days to visit any bar scene, incl. AC.

Having a pm facility, does not trick me. Do your homework, then ask questions to refine the info you have. Good luck on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, LOL.

[Sxxxx]

Oh, X Man, you should have been a detective.

My German trike driver. Oh he had a ghostly look about him. He was strongly built as a Hun should be, no weakling pinoy this one. Plus he had a seriousness and sadness about him. What gave it all away was his voice. Deep and heavy. Genetics, cause he never had a chance to copy his Daddy, in that or any other regard. He said his father was from Germany, someone else seemed to know more about his daddy than trike driver, I think it was the flip people who adopted him (as an abandoned baby). And confirmed his Dad was the real thing, a German from Germany. War crimes, now this, when will it ever end, for 'us' ? LOL.

So X, if you think you are the father, then please own up, LOL.

As you have a forensic mind, I assign you the task of tracking down his Dad. Start with the cemeteries in Germany LOL (kid 47, dad most prob dead).

Think I will run into German trike driver again. Anyway I will ask the 'depot' for the Hun driver, and they will deliver. Flips always deliver for me, well not always, but mostly. Its cause of my attitude lads, cause of my attitude. I will get the haunted Hun again, next trip and take a pic, and send to you X Man somehow. Will not post publicly, of course. Its a sad story, but one of many, guys spreading their sperm, but not their better self. Pic says: "Hun, hun" ! On his own, he weighs the trike down, that one. On his own.

Anyway, second time I wanted trike same spot (NOT outside Kokomos, no where near a tourist strip, this time) Hun turns up. Drops me off at Margarita, I give him P100 , for a P50 trip, and said "We must look after the German Brotherhood" , big beaming smile from him, and a genuine 'thank you'. I told him earlier on this 2nd trip, I too had a german father who pissed off on me and I too was adopted. So we are in effect 'brothers'. Stories, stories, there are heaps of them. Phils a great source of 'happenings'. More happens to me in a day in Phils than a year back home! Except of course, when I am with Miss AC!

If only, if only.

[D Cups]

This is a great list, Simmer! I'd like to correct the prices at EDSA, though. Php1950 is paid to the bar and the girl charges 2000-2500ST, 3500-4000 LT. So yeah, it is not the cheapest option. But for me, it is the best.Add subic 1500 p BF for all night long with sexy, sweet young (21 why o, 34 b-24-34) mmmmmmmmmasarap! Cheers!

[NapaSlapper]

Just a few observations of my time in Angeles last weekend.

The perimeter bars, much the same, many bars quiet of both girls and punters, the few bars that have punters and girls are Korean owned and girls mainly aimed at that market, all are welcome though, girl quality definitely low.

Fields, Atlantis had customers and was the busiest for girl numbers and punters of all the bars I visited, cold beer, popcorn and good shows, no stunners but some cuties in the shows.

Koreans, Malaysians throwing money around like millionaires and hence have the better looking girls sitting with them in most of fields avenue bigger bars.

As the bar scene was getting boring real quick and I was not ready for sleep decided to head on to the freelance discos, here's what I found.

Skytraxs, Had not been here for some while but had over the years met some cuties here, very small amount of freelancer girls in here now, mostly girls in groups with pinoy friends / husbands / boyfriends, the freelancers were mainly on the dance floor surrounded by a mixture of Malays, Japanese, pinoys and a couple of westerners, basically the guys outnumbered the freelancers by a long long way, moved on.

High society, Many more freelancers here and a jump up in quality girls, no stunners but definitely some cuties, the punters were totally different here to skytraxs,9 out of 10 were Koreans, the best looking girls were sat at tables with Koreans surrounded by top shelf bottles and a table full of food, girls that were not seated definitely no as attractive / slim.

All in all, The guys having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not spending large are not getting any attention from the cuties.

[Simmer]

This is a great list, Simmer! I'd like to correct the prices at EDSA, though. Php1950 is paid to the bar and the girl charges 2000-2500ST, 3500-4000 LT. So yeah, it is not the cheapest option. But for me, it is the best.Thanks, and thanks for the correction. Guess it was more than I remember (4 years ago). Sometimes I wish this website had a Wiki section for each country that just had a very brief rundown on the modus operandus, costs, scams, etc. My first time in AC involved trawling through this website and several others to get the general lowdown on things (and even then jawdropped slightly at my bar bill. My fault entirely for failing to absorb the information succinctly).

[Simmer]

Add subic 1500 p BF for all night long with sexy, sweet young (21 why o, 34 b-24-34) mmmmmmmmmasarap! Cheers!Good information. Is that literally the whole cost or is the girl expecting a couple of thou as well?

I probably should have said any "in bar pickups" (mostly those labelled barfine but plus others like LA Cafe) should expect to pay for lady drinks too, if not included in the bar fine to a limit. Damn those of us on a budget!

[Mr Enternational]

High society, Many more freelancers here and a jump up in quality girls, no stunners but definitely some cuties, the punters were totally different here to skytraxs,9 out of 10 were Koreans, the best looking girls were sat at tables with Koreans surrounded by top shelf bottles and a table full of food, girls that were not seated definitely no as attractive / slim.The Koreans always bring their own girls to High Society.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Add subic 1500 p BF for all night long with sexy, sweet young (21 why o, 34 b-24-34) mmmmmmmmmasarap! Cheers!To DCups.

Most bar at Barrio barfined are 1800 -2000 p now days 1500 p price is 3 yr ago, I was there a few month ago quality is down and some girl don't stay all night.

Fast Eddie 48.

[D Cups]

I must be lucky Eddie because I am there now and only paid 1500 p at midnight rambler for real sexy young one no kids all night long. The other one I met after work so there was no barfine at al but she was only a 6 but had nice tits and gave megood massage, ball licking blow joband three fucks for 1500 p. Ll


To DCups.

Most bar at Barrio barfined are 1800 -2000 p now days 1500 p price is 3 yr ago, I was there a few month ago quality is down and some girl don't stay all night.

Fast Eddie 48..

[SouthEaster]

DC,

I think you are indeed lucky as 1500 seems to be going the way of the Dodo. Seems to have changed a lot in the last year as many bars were still 1500 a year ago but only 3 months a go was hard to find. Forgive my ignorance but is Midnight Rambler an actual Bar Fine bar or a freelance joint? My MO these days is bar fine a few and make daytime arrangements with the ones you like (and are willing) to come over day time or their day off and pay half. Also agree with FE48 girls are no longer guaranteed all night best ask how long they stay before you do the deal unless you are happy with ST. I found a couple who just assumed it was ST. WTF? AC attitudes invading BB? I hope not!

Southeaster.

[NapaSlapper]

To DCups.

Most bar at Barrio barfined are 1800 -2000 p now days 1500 p price is 3 yr ago, I was there a few month ago quality is down and some girl don't stay all night.

Fast Eddie 48.Have to agree, my last trip a couple of months ago the girls were quoting 1800-2000 and hoping in vain someone might take the bait.

Have heard that many bars in barrio are now closing a few days per week due to lack of customers? Maybe that's why they have reduced the barfine to 1500 to try and get some bites?

Barrio for me has always been the poor brother of Angeles when it comes to bars and girls.

Few of the old school Angeles bar owners headed off to barrio some years back in a bid to make it the next Angeles, never even came close IMHO.

[X Man]

I got a full refund.


With due respect X, what exactly will one be complaining about, a runner?

As you are fully aware prostitution is illegal all over the Phills, taking a bargirl to your room for sex is HT which carries a mandatory 20 years in jail and is an unavailable offence if caught, the same for the bar that supplied said girl.

Please don't tell me that you actually think any one in the bar industry is going to admit to supplying girls for prostitution.

Best advice is fully expect most girls to skip early, do not complain to anyone, as said it could land one in very deep shit, pay up and move on with a smile.

[WestCoast1]

Please don't tell me that you actually think any one in the bar industry is going to admit to supplying girls for prostitution.

Best advice is fully expect most girls to skip early, do not complain to anyone, as said it could land one in very deep shit, pay up and move on with a smile.My experience is different. I have received refunds of differing types in the past: Full, partials, and offers from mamas / managers to replace the bad girl with another girl. Have also been told NO REFUNDS. Hit / miss. At the very least, I'm going to lodge a complaint with the mama / manager; there is nothing to lose.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks Westie for your input Westie, here is where asking for a refund can get very messy.

Good friend had arranged to take a girl for long time from a bar he is known in very well, girl did not fulfill her promises and left early, guy goes back to bar and complains to manager and mummy, was told OK we will speak to the girl and see what her side of the story is, come back tonight, well he went back that night only to be met by a very angry girl who was she felt being cheated out of her money, her story was that she had been forced to do things of an unnatural nature against her will (total bullshit) if the punter wanted to take the matter further then a police report would be filed, friend shit himself, excepted the loss and does not ask for refunds.

Another old timer friend in Angeles tried also to get a refund from a bar girl by complaining to the bar, as the punter was very well known to the bar and a big spender they offered to swap the girl, 3 nights later the old boy was put in hospital by the girls brothers / pinoy boyfriend.

These are a few things that can go wrong with asking for money back, yes years ago I too had many refunds / exchanges, now I find,1 the bars do not discuss prostitution and 2,my freedom and good health without broken bones is more important to me than a few dollars, each to their own I expect, but never forget we are but mere visitors with no rights what so ever, if the shit hits the fan then paying many many more times the price of a barfine for ones freedom / safety is to be fully expected.


My experience is different. I have received refunds of differing types in the past: Full, partials, and offers from mamas / managers to replace the bad girl with another girl. Have also been told NO REFUNDS. Hit / miss. At the very least, I'm going to lodge a complaint with the mama / manager; there is nothing to lose.

[D Cups]

DC,

I think you are indeed lucky as 1500 seems to be going the way of the Dodo. Seems to have changed a lot in the last year as many bars were still 1500 a year ago but only 3 months a go was hard to find. Forgive my ignorance but is Midnight Rambler an actual Bar Fine bar or a freelance joint? My MO these days is bar fine a few and make daytime arrangements with the ones you like (and are willing) to come over day time or their day off and pay half. Also agree with FE48 girls are no longer guaranteed all night best ask how long they stay before you do the deal unless you are happy with ST. I found a couple who just assumed it was ST. WTF? AC attitudes invading BB? I hope not!

Southeaster.It was a bar fine for 1500. She is 21 no kids great body tight pussy very affectionate all night long 3 pops joanna. Geez I don't give a crap if you guys don't believe me.

[Engine Driver]

Just a note for all travellers to be super vigilant if walking along Perimeter Road, even during daylight hours. I was robbed of $200 this morning in a quite a simple scam by a couple of trike drivers, a block down from the Brass Knob on the Perimeter.

The scam went like this: First trike driver says "hey friend, you remember me, I was your driver last night". Alarm bell goes off and I should have just kept walking. He then says, "friend, my sister has a massage parlour five minutes from here with about 10 college students". He then shows me a calling card with a photo of sexy pinay. Getting my attention, he then proceeds to give me advice about how many pick pockets there are, particularly at SM Mall and proceeds to show me how they feel your pockets. By this time he has one hand in my pocket and I grab his hand preventing him taking the money. He then calls trike driver #2 for help. His friend arrives and holds my arms while the first guy snatches the $200 out of my pocket and runs.

I call this a lucky escape as I only had a small amount of money in my pocket. My phone, credit cards, wallet and passport were in the hotel safe. I could have fought back, but this is the Philippines, so best to let it go and move on. Unless you are Bruce Lee, you can't take on trike drivers. No point in going to the police either.

A few useful learnings:

1. If a trike driver calls, just keep walking.

2. Don't walk along the Perimeter Road day or night. If the jeeps, trikes and cars don't run you over, the scammers will get you.

3. Wait for the hotel taxi to take you to Fields or pay 100 PHP for a trike ride.

4. Only carry small amounts of cash with you at any time.

[NapaSlapper]

Just a note for all travellers to be super vigilant if walking along Perimeter Road, even during daylight hours. I was robbed of $200 this morning in a quite a simple scam by a couple of trike drivers, a block down from the Brass Knob on the Perimeter.

The scam went like this: First trike driver says "hey friend, you remember me, I was your driver last night". Alarm bell goes off and I should have just kept walking. He then says, "friend, my sister has a massage parlour five minutes from here with about 10 college students". He then shows me a calling card with a photo of sexy pinay. Getting my attention, he then proceeds to give me advice about how many pick pockets there are, particularly at SM Mall and proceeds to show me how they feel your pockets. By this time he has one hand in my pocket and I grab his hand preventing him taking the money. He then calls trike driver #2 for help. His friend arrives and holds my arms while the first guy snatches the $200 out of my pocket and runs..Engine driver, first of all I am sorry to hear of your loss, count yourself lucky you were not shot dead for your money as has happened a few times on perimeter road.

I and many have constantly warned about the dangers of Angeles from robberies, shootings to street scams, trike scams, police scams, girl scams etc.

On the other hand a small hardcore of Angeles lovers tell us not to be stupid, these things never happen, Angeles is very very safe for all LOL.

Guys, take care out there, these things are common place, stay at a hotel that offers 24 hour limo service for getting anywhere safely is the best advice that can be given.

[Engine Driver]

I've been a regular visitor to AC over the years and for the first time I have noticed a slightly menacing feel to the place. It's not the friendly, carefree place we saw say 5-years ago. Here are my observations.

1. Traffic along the Perimeter and Fields Avenue is unbearable. They have installed a traffic light and pedestrian crossing now at the intersection to Clark along Fields Avenue.

2. Definitely more beggars, scammers and touts on the streets.

3. Hotel and restaurant staff are a little more terse and not as accommodating. They have a couldn't care less attitude.

4. When you come out of SM Mall with bags of shopping, local people now just stare.

5. A 3,000 PHP bar fine at any of the big bars on Fields (Atlantis, Doll House, Tropix, Crystal Palace) or indeed the small bars means just short time. The girls agree to LT and then run away at 2. 00 am. I've heard of every excuse in the book. Baby has fever, Aunty has asked me to buy milk powder (at 3. 00 am), I have to help my sister etc. No use in fighting it. Just accept that all bar fines are ST and you won't be disappointed. A few years ago, you literally had to kick the girl out of the room at 8. 00 am. There's a poster on this forum who says he always pays the bar fine after the deed. That is plain bullshit. Unless you are the bar owners son or are related to the district police commissioner, that is just impossible.

6. SM Mall is now packed as never before. Where did all the people come from?

7. Lewis Grand now requires full payment for the entire duration up front. Apparently this is new policy.

8. New hotels are everywhere. Whoever said AC is dying is wrong.

I think local people are getting jaded. Life must be hard and they probably resent foreigners blowing what is an average monthly wage in the PI on two barfines.

[Chocha Monger]

Just a note for all travellers to be super vigilant if walking along Perimeter Road, even during daylight hours. I was robbed of $200 this morning in a quite a simple scam by a couple of trike drivers, a block down from the Brass Knob on the Perimeter.

The scam went like this: First trike driver says "hey friend, you remember me, I was your driver last night". Alarm bell goes off and I should have just kept walking. He then says, "friend, my sister has a massage parlour five minutes from here with about 10 college students". He then shows me a calling card with a photo of sexy pinay. Getting my attention, he then proceeds to give me advice about how many pick pockets there are, particularly at SM Mall and proceeds to show me how they feel your pockets. By this time he has one hand in my pocket and I grab his hand preventing him taking the money..This is an old scam. I wrote about a similar attempt I experienced on Perimeter Road a few years ago. The differences were: it was a guy riding a scooter; when he tried to touch my pockets I immediately offered to fuck him up; and he did not get a single peso from my stash. There were some other Flips watching from a bar nearby but they wisely did not join in the confrontation. Each man should evaluate their response according to age, physical condition, ability and whether or not the robbers are armed. However, if trike drivers find robbing mongers this easy nowhere in AC will be safe. Sxxxx mentioned a trike driver taking him down an alley away from his destination for a possible robbery, it could be one of these rascals. Anyway, the correct response to anyone calling you 'friend' or claiming to have met you before is to ignore and keep going at a faster pace, run if you can. Also, no one should be crawling the track with more than enough for a bar fine and a few lady drinks.

In the past, I have been mobbed by street urchins while crossing the open area between the jeepney terminal and SM Mall. They were aggressive and rough enough to cause injury to and knock down an elderly guy. They held onto both my arms and tried to get their grimy little hands into my pockets but I tossed two of them into the traffic and the others fled. About a week later an elderly monger was found dead in that area with the street urchins being the primary suspects. Giving them money is illegal and if their handlers take a picture of a monger giving them money he could end up being accused of trying to solicit them. He will then be extorted for a lot more than the few pesos he handed over out of the goodness of his heart. Just do not do it. They ate plenty of rice before foreigners showed up and they will eat a lot more after you are gone.

[Hutsori]

Mugging.
Holler "I have AIDS!" Then you spit on the bloke's face. "Now you have AIDS, too!" Add maniacal laughs for terror enhancement.

[SouthEaster]

D Cups. Did not say I didn't believe you in fact am happy to hear the news. All the better if more places keep the BF low or lower it to attract business. BB has long been AC's poor smaller cousin and that's the way I like it. It also hasn't been infested with Ks yet.

Engine Driver. What were you thinking? If anyone calls, especially with remember me? Just keep walking. This was standard 20 years a go and still common today. No need to be a nervous Nellie, but never let your guard down.

Southeaster.

[GoodEnough]

Holler "I have AIDS!" Then you spit on the bloke's face. "Now you have AIDS, too!" Add maniacal laughs for terror enhancement.Not that funny Huts. I'm old now, and I simply won't take the risk, so I take a hotel car wherever I need to go and I'm usually with at least one friend.

GE.

[Jp Slicky]

In that country, never ever talk with anyone on the street. Maybe a simple No thank you and keep moving.

Anyone that tries to stop you their is not your friend.

[Sxxxx]

I agree with the post below which infers the flips seem to be a bit jaded. In my reports I said I thought it was lower than usual low season visitors, equals, lower than usual cash flow, equals, not happy (them).

At Gothic City, sipping a beer, observing Vikings opposite the road. Asked waitress to do a little thing for me, she snapped back: "Its not my job" !

First time in my 40 plus years of whoring in Phils, I have ever received a reply like that. Always they smile and oblige with a little favor and of course you tip them later on.

So next drink I made sure I was served by another waitress, and when I departed made sure I tipped her. Message to 1st waitress: We do not travel to Phils to get the Western World response "its not my job".

And I did not ask her for a blow job either, LOL.

Overall, I had a great time in Phils, but did notice the change in attitude. Not so keen nowadays. Beware, the Western World is coming (to the Phils) LOL.

[VicVeg]

AC is fun as you get to check the girl out before you BF her. Interview her, ask moma-san questions about her etc. And for 3 k peso you get a quality girl, and if you ask the right questions, you can be pretty sure she will perform ok. I straight out ask her if she will BBBJ, allow DATY, etc etc. If she balks, then walk! It will only cost you 250 P for the interview. And grab her boobs, kiss her, put her hand on your dick right in the bar to see how she acts. Then when you get her to the room, the worst she is to do is to want to leave after a shag. In manila, you are to drop 5 k at least for a girl, that you only get to look at pictures of (online) before you get her to your room. Else spend 7 k for a decent girl out of Havana Cafe etc. Thus AC is the better option.

I kinda got scammed at a massage parlor in AC. At the end of walking street across the street from Mcdonalds there is a massage parlor with a glass door. I had an hour to burn, so I got a massage for 350 p. It was a good massage, then she asked if I wanted a HJ, and I said ok, and she wanted 300. I said ok, then told her to just wack me off a bit, but I didn't want to cum as I wanted to save it for a BF later on. She said fine, but it was all the same price. Fine, but then after 10 minutes of wacking, and when I had to leave, she wanted 600. I said, we agreed to 300, and she said fine, she would call the police. I then walked out to mama san, and the girl said, fine, just pay me 500 p. So I did just to get out of there without the police coming. Fucking scammers!

Also, AC is going Korean. Manila is for the middle easternerrs, and AC is for the Koreans.

[Amavida]

My experience is different. I have received refunds of differing types in the past: Full, partials, and offers from mamas / managers to replace the bad girl with another girl. Have also been told NO REFUNDS. Hit / miss. At the very least, I'm going to lodge a complaint with the mama / manager; there is nothing to lose.I think where a lot of punters go wrong is stalking into a bar, parking themselves & staring.

The approach that works for me has always been to mentally prepare myself to go out & have _FUN_. Dressed in clean fashionable clubbing gear I walk in smiling & relaxed fortified with provisions (money) and head for the mommasan. Buying her & the head waitress 'anything you want' immediately establishes you as a VIP. Spend a little time schmoozing the boss & you'll have girls queuing up to be taken. Repeat this at the same bar & you have easy pickings. It's not unusual to have drilled most of the putas & be getting referrals as you do outside with non pro & amateurs.

As for runners, I've never had one but most of the girls are single mothers so going home at 6 am to relieve the baby sitter is not unreasonable.

Guys who lament the place has changed are right but the internet + huge influx of tourists was inevitably going to do that. You can still have fun in AC but it's not like it was 10 years ag with fresh of the farm girls barebacking all night long. For that you'll need to go to provincial centres.

[D Cups]

AC is fun as you get to check the girl out before you BF her. Interview her, ask moma-san questions about her etc. And for 3 k peso you get a quality girl, and if you ask the right questions, you can be pretty sure she will perform ok. I straight out ask her if she will BBBJ, allow DATY, etc etc. If she balks, then walk! It will only cost you 250 P for the interview. And grab her boobs, kiss her, put her hand on your dick right in the bar to see how she acts. Then when you get her to the room, the worst she is to do is to want to leave after a shag. In manila, you are to drop 5 k at least for a girl, that you only get to look at pictures of (online) before you get her to your room. Else spend 7 k for a decent girl out of Havana Cafe etc. Thus AC is the better option.

I kinda got scammed at a massage parlor in AC. At the end of walking street across the street from Mcdonalds there is a massage parlor with a glass door. I had an hour to burn, so I got a massage for 350 p. It was a good massage, then she asked if I wanted a HJ, and I said ok, and she wanted 300. I said ok, then told her to just wack me off a bit, but I didn't want to cum as I wanted to save it for a BF later on. She said fine, but it was all the same price. Fine, but then after 10 minutes of wacking, and when I had to leave, she wanted 600. I said, we agreed to 300, and she said fine, she would call the police. I then walked out to mama san, and the girl said, fine, just pay me 500 p. So I did just to get out of there without the police coming. Fucking scammers!

Also, AC is going Korean. Manila is for the middle easternerrs, and AC is for the Koreans.That leaves only subic for the westerners? Much of cebu has gone korean, too. I still think westerners can score in any locale. Many of the girls I talked to said Koreans are rude.

[Jack4765]

Just left Thursday after a month in AC. Same same as usual. Plenty of women. Not all the best looking but that seems to be every where I go. (don't know how some of you find all 9's and 10's everywhere you go!

Any way. 1500 P at the old Thigh High on Perimeter. Was told it has a new name now but I never noticed. Below average girls but there happened to be one who used to work at Monsoon and I quickly grabbed her up.

All night. 1500 P. Now I must admit that at 70 I don't do to much damage to any pinay any more!. I find the good thing about getting old is. If I get laid tonight it is utterly fantastic. If I don't, oh well no big deal hahahaha.

[Chocha Monger]

I agree with the post below which infers the flips seem to be a bit jaded. In my reports I said I thought it was lower than usual low season visitors, equals, lower than usual cash flow, equals, not happy (them).

At Gothic City, sipping a beer, observing Vikings opposite the road. Asked waitress to do a little thing for me, she snapped back: "Its not my job" !

First time in my 40 plus years of whoring in Phils, I have ever received a reply like that. Always they smile and oblige with a little favor and of course you tip them later on.

So next drink I made sure I was served by another waitress, and when I departed made sure I tipped her. Message to 1st waitress: We do not travel to Phils to get the Western World response "its not my job".

And I did not ask her for a blow job either, LOL.

Overall, I had a great time in Phils, but did notice the change in attitude. Not so keen nowadays. Beware, the Western World is coming (to the Phils) LOL.The fire rises. Filipinos have never loved foreigners but, in the past, they have tolerated us for monetary benefits. However, with Duterte fanning the flames of nationalism and insulting foreign religious and political leaders, Filipinos may simply be following his lead. Tourism has now taken a back seat to the assassination of drug dealers and addicts. Other countries are being blamed for problems in the Philippines so it is only natural that the foreigner has become a target of resentment. More Filipinos are feeling confident about telling foreigners to go fuck themselves Dirty Duterte style. If you are a foreigner and feeling a bit paranoid about the current low in hospitality, it may not all be in your head.

There was a German in an internet cafe writing about his political views on Duterte online. The Filipinos being as nosy as ever peeped at his screen and in a matter of minutes they were chattering away in Flipish about the possibly that the German was a spy for America. He told them he was a German so how they concluded he was an American spy did not make much sense but then again, Filipino gossip is more about sensationalism than logic. Later on, the German decided to humor the Filipinos by telling them they were ugly, he called the security guard by name and told him that he was a particularly ugly fellow. Well, only the German got the joke and the Flip guard wanted to give him a beating. Luckily for the German, the lady who owns the caf persuaded the guard to refrain from giving the German a trashing on account of his age. However, there were some verbal exchanges and they told the German that his blue eyes were ugly and he had pig skin. This seemed to amuse the German and he concluded his business and went on his way with a few more enemies in the Philippines.

Another thing to consider is the pervasive use of shabu in the Philippines. Bar girls use it to stay slim, as a source of energy to do the zombie shuffle all night long, and to inspire courage to perform as a 3-holer back in the hotel room of risqu customers. Trike drivers use it to stay awake and on the prowl for fares or victims from sundown until dawn, shabu fueled death defying drag races are common on Perimeter Road in the hours before first light. Almost every family has an addict or dealer. Now that the threat of the death squads has forced many to quit using shabu cold-turkey, one can expect that many individuals and their families are not too happy dealing with withdrawal symptoms. Drug wars never totally eliminate the drugs targeted they merely reduce supply, increase risk, and drive up prices. This means that hardcore addicts must pay more for their fix. Some dealers may decide to leave the drug trade and take up less risky enterprises like robbing or scamming unsuspecting sex tourists. It would be an easy choice since foreigners rarely report crimes and are usually transient victims.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Have to agree, my last trip a couple of months ago the girls were quoting 1800-2000 and hoping in vain someone might take the bait.

Have heard that many bars in barrio are now closing a few days per week due to lack of customers? Maybe that's why they have reduced the barfine to 1500 to try and get some bites?

Barrio for me has always been the poor brother of Angeles when it comes to bars and girls.

Few of the old school Angeles bar owners headed off to barrio some years back in a bid to make it the next Angeles, never even came close IMHO.To Napa.

I think all the bar work together and raise the price I cannot get the 1500 p price all the bar want 1800 and up and most bar are pushy on the drinks, I have no problem paying more if I can get GFE and decent looking girl like few yr back don't think I will be back to Subic bay any time soon.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Mr Enternational]

My experience is different. I have received refunds of differing types in the past: Full, partials, and offers from mamas / managers to replace the bad girl with another girl. Have also been told NO REFUNDS. Hit / miss. At the very least, I'm going to lodge a complaint with the mama / manager; there is nothing to lose.


Thanks Westie for your input Westie, here is where asking for a refund can get very messy.


Just a note for all travellers to be super vigilant if walking along Perimeter Road, even during daylight hours. I was robbed of $200 this morning in a quite a simple scam by a couple of trike drivers, a block down from the Brass Knob on the Perimeter.

3. Wait for the hotel taxi to take you to Fields or pay 100 PHP for a trike ride.


There's a poster on this forum who says he always pays the bar fine after the deed. That is plain bullshit. Unless you are the bar owners son or are related to the district police commissioner, that is just impossible.


Engine Driver. What were you thinking? If anyone calls, especially with remember me? Just keep walking. This was standard 20 years a go and still common today. No need to be a nervous Nellie, but never let your guard down.


Fine, but then after 10 minutes of wacking, and when I had to leave, she wanted 600. I said, we agreed to 300, and she said fine, she would call the police. I then walked out to mama san, and the girl said, fine, just pay me 500 p. So I did just to get out of there without the police coming. Fucking scammers!Reading these reports I can not help but be reminded of the movie Get Hard staring Will Ferrell and Kevin Hart. Will plays a square ass dude who is going to prison and looks to Kevin's character to teach him how to survive the ordeal.

There are 3 things that come into play and I am starting to notice either you have it or your don't. 1. Confidence. 2. Assertiveness. 3. Street smarts. This is not like walking into a store and buying a bottle of water. This shit is illegal. Anyone who has ever been a part of the streets will know that when partaking in illegal activities there will always be scammers (so why is that such a shokcer? And 9 times out of 10 a scammer can spot a mark or victim 50 meters away. How do you keep from being seen or tested as a mark? I have no idea, for I have never had that problem. You will see people all over ISG saying to dress like a local and etcetera. But no matter what you wear, people know you are not from the place you are mongering.

Why is it that WestCoast can walk in and get his bar fine returned or an alternative 9 times out of 10, while Napa's friends get the crap beat out of them for even bringing up the idea? What is the reason that I can get a chick from a bar and pay after when Engine Driver swears it would take an act of god to do that? Why is it that Engine Driver says to pay a trike driver 100 pesos when I have never given a trike driver more than 80 pesos going even as far as Dau terminal and have never been hinted at paying 1 peso more? Why is it that SouthEaster is aware that when you are in a foreign country where nobody fucking knows you and somebody calls out to you "Friend" to not even look their way? Why is it that VicVeg will let a chick extort him for 500 pesos when another monger would have invited the girl to call the police? Who are they going to listen to, a foreigner with a pocket full of money or a chick jacking dicks in a massage shop? At the least I would have had the police come and handed THEM 500 pesos as I laughed at the dumb broad and walked out.

I am also reminded of a few months ago when I bought some toys for my niece and nephew from a street vendor in Pattaya. The guy had a sign with the prices on it. I secured the price I wanted to pay and bought the stuff from the guy. Then the guy showed me the other side of the sign with increased prices for those he thought would be easy prey. We both laughed. Could be the same reason the Cups was able to get a girl for 1500 when another poster is saying the girl should have cost him way more.

It all boils down to each of us having differing degrees of confidence, assertiveness, and street smarts. It is pretty much impossible for any of this to be taught to a person over a blogsite. All each of us can do is report our individual experiences. But telling someone else that their experience is bullshit is ridiculous. It is what it is.

[NapaSlapper]

Mr E,

Thanks for your views.

Some I agree with, some I disagree with, some I find very dangerous.

The main one is tell the girl to call the police in a dispute, my friend, police and girl scam disputes aimed at extorting foreigners cost thousands of dollars to get out of, your 500 pisos offer of payment would possibly buy you a cup of coffee while in the police cell phoning around to find the dollars to get the fuck out of that hell hole.

If one becomes a mark for robbery / extortion / being shot dead no amount of bravery. Confidence or anything else is going to change a single thing, as said, we are in their play ground, we are the strangers with no rights, that's just fact.

Best advice, keep a very low profile, and pray your number has not arrived for robbery, extortion, lights out.

[NapaSlapper]

To Napa.

I think all the bar work together and raise the price I cannot get the 1500 p price all the bar want 1800 and up and most bar are pushy on the drinks, I have no problem paying more if I can get GFE and decent looking girl like few yr back don't think I will be back to Subic bay any time soon.

Fast Eddie 48.FE,

I fully agree with you that bars set their prices together and that girls are quoting 1800-2000 in barrio.

A member had said that he was there now and got a girl for 1500 so I was asking the question if maybe bar prices had been reduced to try and drum up some takers.

Fully agree that most are willing to pay more to get the type of girl one wants, unfortunately fresh off the farm girls that begged to barfine and once barfined begged to stay long time are long long gone if one wants a girl that is attractive.

Angeles makes its money now from guys that want girls company for drinks and fun in the bar with 1 pop short time accepted and gratefully paid for by the same guys.

Long time loving old school western mongers are left with a very small pool of girls to choose from both in barrio and in Angeles.

[Sxxxx]

Another post of substance by CM.

I never thought of the connection between Duturte and what seems to be current lethargic interest in serving white customers, and of course all white customers are American. Ask the natives, they will tell you so.

My newspapers are telling me Duturte is cancelling the joint naval manouvres with USA, telling USA to exit Mindanao fight with insurgents, that is get the hell out of Phils. Paper quotes Duturte as saying "We will never have peace when we are associated with the Americans" and thus he is chasing foreign aid from China, and purchasing weaponry from China etc. USA is on the nose, as far as Duturte is concerned.

If Duturte is trashing foreigners on his TV appearances, then the future is not bright for us. Shoot, shoot, in the foot, Phils, shoot, shoot in the foot. Even from the Presidente.

So yes, as Chocha suggests there is most probably a perceived change in attitude towards us white skins, now that Duturte is in the pulpit.

Good, I like a challenge. And I'd like to see how Phils fares under Chinese tutelage.

Never a dull moment with the Phils and their fillies. Bring it on. I am ready and looking forward to surviving the foreigner bashing. Does it include the K's? LOL. Doubtful, they are SE Asian 'brothers'.

Thanks CM for a substantive post, bit of a rarity at times, except of course when I am posting, LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

The main one is tell the girl to call the police in a dispute, my friend, police and girl scam disputes aimed at extorting foreigners cost thousands of dollars to get out of, your 500 pisos offer of payment would possibly buy you a cup of coffee while in the police cell phoning around to find the dollars to get the fuck out of that hell hole.I am wondering what VicVeg or any other monger would have done if the chick in the massage shop requested 10000 pesos instead of 600. Where do you draw the line? I have been around the world enough and had how many chicks threaten calling the cops or some mafia squad? I have always said call them then. Only 1 has ever done that. That was 2 years ago in the Domimican Republic when the chick wanted more money than we had agreed on. And before she had them called I warned her that things would not turn out how she was thinking. And it did not. The cops told her to take her ass home before they took her to jail.

[D Cups]

I am wondering what VicVeg or any other monger would have done if the chick in the massage shop requested 10000 pesos instead of 600. Where do you draw the line? I have been around the world enough and had how many chicks threaten calling the cops or some mafia squad? I have always said call them then. Only 1 has ever done that. That was 2 years ago in the Domimican Republic when the chick wanted more money than we had agreed on. And before she had them called I warned her that things would not turn out how she was thinking. And it did not. The cops told her to take her ass home before they took her to jail.I side with E on this.

[BrainDrain]

I think local people are getting jaded. Life must be hard and they probably resent foreigners blowing what is an average monthly wage in the PI on two barfines.I think local people are finding work outside of the sex industry and it's making a big difference. The internet has opened up a big world of business.

The totally un-educated might still be working for low rates but girls with good english can be delivering Verizon technical support on >P23 k per month.

[WestCoast1]

It all boils down to each of us having differing degrees of confidence, assertiveness, and street smarts. It is pretty much impossible for any of this to be taught to a person over a blogsite. All each of us can do is report our individual experiences. But telling someone else that their experience is bullshit is ridiculous. It is what it is.I think there is a lot to this. I want to clarify something (regarding myself only). My approach is very different from ME's, in that I prefer to pay for ALL my pussy. I have no desire to play any game of swagger. I prefer all my pussy to understand its purpose and its reward, and the time the reward will be collected. I find this arrangement to be much more sure-fire, fewer misses on the evenings. When I go to any regular bar (not a girly gogo bar) in phils, or even here at home with friends, or any disco here or there, I'm never looking to get laid. I'm just out for a nice time. When I want poon, I will use my phone (for repeats), or laptop, or a gogo bar or other service especially designed for such. If you were to ever see me in Skytracks Disco, while I might be chatting a girl that I met there (probably not, the only reason I'd go there is with a date who liked the place), even if she were on the hunt, there would be little chance that she (or any other girl in the disco) and I would end up together. I go looking (for whatever my heart / dick wants), and that's it. Even my long-term repeaters (and I have many in various towns, both here and there) are paid-up gals.




Why is it that WestCoast can walk in and get his bar fine returned or an alternative 9 times out of 10, while Napa's friends get the crap beat out of them for even bringing up the idea? Apology. That might have been out of context. Let me clarify. I have received in AC one full refund on a quick runner (several years ago). I have taken full refunds several times just prior to leaving the bar with a girl (she had changed into street clothes, then one or another odd thing killed the deal). I have received partial refunds several times due to a problem with the girl. I have been offered (either that night, or the next day) a different girl than the problem girl. I have also been rejected completely several times: "No refund"!

My method is not to be confident or tough, it is to be clear, up-front, with the girl and the bar. Also, feel free to ask the mama what the bar's refund policy is (jeez, it ain't rocket science). Any mama or waitress that says "I dunno" or "No refunds", you need to get out of there, and never go in there again. In one bar, when a girl ran (I went back the same night), the mama told me to come back tomorrow and see the Aussie manager, that he was not there at the time. When I went back about 11 am (as told), and explained the situation, the manager asked me to follow him. We stepped into the CR, he pulled out a wad of money, gave me back half the barfine and said "G'day". The CR: Isn't that odd?

[Mr Enternational]

My method is not to be confident or tough, it is to be clear, up-front, with the girl and the bar. Also, feel free to ask the mama what the bar's refund policy is (jeez, it ain't rocket science).Exactly. It is not rocket science. But some guys for whatever reason are too shy to even question it and will just count a loss as the cost of doing business.

[SouthEaster]

Why is it that SouthEaster is aware that when you are in a foreign country where nobody fucking knows you and somebody calls out to you "Friend" to not even look their way? HaHa because I first had some shithead I knew I had never seen before try that the first time in 1990. Just looked right through him and kept walking. Still do the same today. None of the scum that hang around AC is your "friend" period.

Southeaster

[Engine Driver]

Why is it that SouthEaster is aware that when you are in a foreign country where nobody fucking knows you and somebody calls out to you "Friend" to not even look their way?

SoutheasterIt's called a momentary lapse of reason. It can happen to anyone at anytime. The sequence of events in this short con happened so quickly, that the the poor mug had no chance. Obviously it was well rehearsed and I'm sure they had ensnared many marks on that route.

The best method to avoid this is to not walk along the Perimeter Road.

[Engine Driver]

When your bar-fine from Friday night flees your room at 2. 00 am to urgently buy baby formula, and you've had your seven hours of sleep in air conditioned comfort, what do you do on Saturdays in AC?

There are worse ways to kill a few hours than to attend the Score Birds Pool Party. The whole thing is ridiculous beyond belief, but it is pure light hearted entertainment. For a 500 PHP entry charge (which includes three drinks and a nice lunch buffet), you can sit with other like minded foreigners and watch a bikini parade with various competing bar girls. The competing bars are all part of the same ownership group as is the Score Birds Hotel. The entire show is stage managed to within an inch of its life, but it is hilarious.

The buffet lunch is delicious and one of the best meals I've had in AC.

If anyone named a hotel "Score Birds" in my home country, the PC brigade or hand bag hit squad would have you jailed within 24 hours. Only in AC!

[VicVeg]

When your bar-fine from Friday night flees your room at 2. 00 am to urgently buy baby formula, and you've had your seven hours of sleep in air conditioned comfort, what do you do on Saturdays in AC?

There are worse ways to kill a few hours than to attend the Score Birds Pool Party. The whole thing is ridiculous beyond belief, but it is pure light hearted entertainment. For a 500 PHP entry charge (which includes three drinks and a nice lunch buffet), you can sit with other like minded foreigners and watch a bikini parade with various competing bar girls. The competing bars are all part of the same ownership group as is the Score Birds Hotel. The entire show is stage managed to within an inch of its life, but it is hilarious.

The buffet lunch is delicious and one of the best meals I've had in AC.

If anyone named a hotel "Score Birds" in my home country, the PC brigade or hand bag hit squad would have you jailed within 24 hours. Only in AC!Yeah it is a good way to kill a few hours when there is little else going on during the day. But it is often the same girls week after week, and they often are not the best looking girls in AC. You figure the bars would send their best looking. Also, the girls are often not friendly. We see them there on stage and like them, and pay for LDs at the party, and then go to their bar after the pool party, and they have GPS (golden pussy syndrome), and of course have the mens, or don't BF etc, etc.

Another topic: why the F does the Dollhouse have TS's working the bar? They are not on stage, but are managers etc. I saw 2 of them there. Talk about killing my boner for the evening seeing that. I have noticed a real lack of business sense in the PI. And this takes the cake. Heterosexual men do not want to see TS's anywhere at all when they are out on the prowl looking for a girl to BF. Keep the TS's on Burgos St. In Makati where there are hundreds of them out in the cafe's etc. Anyway.

[Golfinho]

Another topic: why the F does the Dollhouse have TS's working the bar?. I have noticed a real lack of business sense in the PI. And this takes the cake.Lack of business sense? Everybody notices this.

Why does Dollhouse have their stage so crowded with girls you can't view and sort them out? Why does one group stay on stage so long it takes two beers' time to wait out until the better group gets up there? When they come off stage, why do the girls run and hide instead of staying where the customers can get a good look at them for selection purposes? Why don't the waitresses (most all of them) know anything helpful and are completely clueless regarding the merchandise?

Finally: TS's or whatever plus all the waitresses and overweight, over-age women who never get barfined: this is probably just a way of giving making money opportunity for various unmarketable types to get their little pieces of crumbs off the cake.

[Engine Driver]

We see them there on stage and like them, and pay for LDs at the party, and then go to their bar after the pool party, and they have GPS (golden pussy syndrome), and of course have the mens, or don't BF etc, etcYou raise an excellent point. For these farm girls from the provinces who were previously pactory workers or cashiers in supermarkets earning 150 PHP a day, they certainly develop a giant ego very quickly. Golden pussy syndrome does take over.

The renegotiation of terms and conditions now starts the minute you enter your room. Why can't we just pay the asking bar fine and expect a good level of customer service without all the drama and bullshit. It's really starting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off and I'm not sure if I will return to AC (not that anyone is going to care).

Even the seemingly innocent girls from the Bario bars are into scamming. I barfined a fresh girl from the provinces at one of the Perimeter bars yesterday with the agreement she leaves at 11.00 pm. You would think this wasnt a particularly onerous requirement. Within 1-hour of entering the room, she receives a call from her "friend". She had returned to the apartment without her key and can't get in. So bar girl needs to renege on my deal to rescue her poor friend.

Luckily I had already popped once and the damage was only 1600ST. I just told her to fuck off.

[Macho Dik]

Hi all,

After reading all those post lately, it suddenly feeling cold in my little brother and like being pour cold water for my sexcitement in the plan forthcoming trip to AC.

Bars girls only ST, robbery, anti forefinger, scam etc etc. Wow! This giving me second thought specially initial plan to stay at Lewis grand hotel but hearing you guys rob by trike driver, dangerous Walking At night, Christ good lord, this should not be a good way to visit AC?

Can anyone outhere give me a more persuasive for me to push thru my idea of goon AC or I just stay in Manila and look for freelancer I LAC, at least if the girl decided to ST instead of agree LT then she got the ST Value only.

Reading all recent post giving me second thought and my trip is on the end of this month, a week after next week.

Have a bad experience in China before and feeling be phobia on all this specially now a days duterte is so anti foreigner!

Cheers,

MD.

[Mr Enternational]

Hi all,

After reading all those post lately, it suddenly feeling cold in my little brother and like being pour cold water for my sexcitement in the plan forthcoming trip to AC.

Bars girls only ST, robbery, anti forefinger, scam etc etc. Wow! This giving me second thought specially initial plan to stay at Lewis grand hotel but hearing you guys rob by trike driver, dangerous Walking At night, Christ good lord, this should not be a good way to visit AC?

Can anyone outhere give me a more persuasive for me to push thru my idea of goon AC Bro, you have to go get your own experience. You can not go by what others say. You can only use it as a loose guide. When I go to a new place I look to ISG to find out where the women are, what place to stay that is guest friendly, and a general ball park on prices. I know that I am going to go pick the girls I like, negotiate my own price (which is 9 times out of 10 lower than what someone reported), and go make my own experience. So I don't put weight on somebody else's experience on the quality, whether a chick sucked his dick, or whether some chick turned LT into ST. Most of that shit is Your Mileage May Vary. I have been to AC at least 10 times and have never had the complaints that some people report. Never got robbed or scammed, never had a girl leave early, never had a complaint about quality.

My only complaint about AC is that it is boring during the day time. There is only so much bowling, shooting pool, or movies at Shoe Mart Mall that I can do. There is only so much walking back and forth between Margarita Station and Kokomos that I can do.

In the Dominican Republic thread there is a big thing of people saying not to drive there. Many people say it is too dangerous and scary and if you get into an accident you will go to jail. I have been driving there for years and have my own experience. I have even totalled a rental car there. The police were actually helpful; I did not face jail. All that happened was the tow truck came to get me and the car, took us back to the rental car place, and they gave me another car. The insurance on my credit card paid for the car. So all the scary stuff that people post was nothing close to my first hand experience.

Go to AC and get your own experience.

[Engine Driver]

Channeling Orwell and Dickens, I was down and out in AC. Previously I had the best of times and now I was having the worst of times. Then three incidents happened which completely changed my outlook. AC has the ability to turn on the charm when you least expect it. I will detail the three positive experiences in separate reports.

After all of my travelling and pounding, I was genuinely tired and felt like a legitimate massage. So I found Hanna and Grace Massage parlour on a side street off Fields Ave. Just look for Manson Drugstore and wander down 100 m. This place just looked sleezy and a MILF dragged me in. I stripped off and she proceeded to give me an excellent massage. Then about 40 minutes into the massage, before the flip, she started playing with my balls from behind. I kindly told her stop as I didn't want to cum. I told her that I was going to barfine a young chica and needed to save my load for boom-boom later. She then said "why don't you boom-boom me? As I was thinking about it, her co-worker, another MILF, just came into the cubicle, grabbed my cock and said she would blow me and I could then fuck her colleague. I told them both I didn't want do it in the shop. First MILF then said, " no problem sir, we come to your hotel". How could I refuse such an offer? Where am I going to get a chance like this?

So we agree the price, they lock up the shop and we wait for my hotel car to come and pick us all up. Car arrives and me plus two MILFs bundle in. Driver greets us as sir, ma'am, ma'am. We arrive at hotel and me with two MILFs in tow go upto my room. No one bats an eyelid as I guess they've all scene crazier things before. The entire situation was just comical.

We all showered, plenty of DFK, and MILF 2 gave me an excellent BBBJ while MILF 1 was kissing me. Then on with the condom and I pounded MILF 1 while MILF 2 kissed me. I said I want to shoot on their tits. "No problem sir". We then cleaned up, got dressed and I got the driver to drop them off on Fields. All up damage was 1,000 tip to each MILF plus 300 for the massage fee.

[Mr Enternational]

We all showered, plenty of DFK, and MILF 2 gave me an excellent BBBJ while MILF 1 was kissing me. Then on with the condom and I pounded MILF 1 while MILF 2 kissed me. I said I want to shoot on their tits. "No problem sir". We then cleaned up, got dressed and I got the driver to drop them off on Fields. All up damage was 1,000 tip to each MILF plus 300 for the massage fee.That is what I am talking about ED. Great story. Just go with an open mind and some fun (and cheap) shit is bound to fall into you lap. Big difference between the experience you have going into the situation as you did or going in with tunnel vision that you have to find someone who meets a narrow set of criteria that must agree to do x, y, and z during the session.

[BaboyDave]

Bro, you have to go get your own experience. You can not go by what others say. You can only use it as a loose guide. When I go to a new place I look to ISG to find out where the women are, what place to stay that is guest friendly, and a general ball park on prices. I know that I am going to go pick the girls I like, negotiate my own price (which is 9 times out of 10 lower than what someone reported), and go make my own experience. So I don't put weight on somebody else's experience on the quality, whether a chick sucked his dick, or whether some chick turned LT into ST. Most of that shit is Your Mileage May Vary. I have been to AC at least 10 times and have never had the complaints that some people report. Never got robbed or scammed, never had a girl leave early, never had a complaint about quality. MD,

I strongly second Mr. E's post.

I've been to AC 5 times in a little under 2 years and have mostly had purely positive experiences.

In general, having your own experience is priceless.

I wouldn't come in thinking every moment can be planned, would also not worry too much about things going sour, just come in knowing pretty much where to go and give it a shot.

I personally love AC and really enjoy coming back every time. I enjoy hanging around fields better than perimeter, but I guess you should try each and decide for yourself.

Come in feeling you'll have a blast and you probably will.

D

[NapaSlapper]

While I agree that all mongers should try out a new destination with an open and positive outlook there are times where I would do my research and weigh up what by far the majority are saying as to what to expect.

Over the last pages here we have post after post claiming, Angeles is dangerous, I was robbed, I was cheated, the girls are mostly fat, the girls are mostly ugly, the better looking girls won't barfine, the better looking girl want drinks only, the better looking girls act like princesses, the girls will only go with Koreans, the lower tier girls that have no other choice but to barfine promise long time only to leave after a very short time, the prices have gone through the roof, airport security are setting up visitors, police are setting up visitors, trike drivers have turned to out and out scamming, the food is the worst in the world, the hotels are very expensive for the quality, etc.

When most are reporting and feeling like this about a destination then something is just not right, count back over the last 30 pages and many long time Angeles visitors have said they will not return again, why is this if everything is just fine as some claim.

I fully agree that if one does not walk alone in Angeles, accepts that the pretty girls just do not barfine and if they do they will choose a Korean, as a westerner one has to lower his choice in order to find a girl that will barfine, guys are having to throw big money around in order to attract the pretty girls attention in the bars then Angeles can be fun, but and there always is a but very nearby destinations do not have most of the problems listed above and at similar or better prices all in a safe environment, most western punter have voted with their feet and do not visit Angeles, some insist on sticking their head in the sand and accepting what Angeles has become.

Sorry to be brutal guys but the truth sometimes is not pleasant, hopefully the guys that own bars in Angeles will grow some balls and stand up to their girls, start to cut out the bullshit the girls are pulling in the bars / out on barfine, that the new president will execute enough scum that is on every street in the Phills and return to a country where citizens and tourists can venture out without fear, I live in hope.

[Sxxxx]

They (Manager class) are taught as young kids to be frugal.

Hence they want everything guaranteed before they spend a dime. Not possible, hence their 'frustration'.

As they say, where I come from: "You will never never know, until you go, go, go".

Me, early 1970's no Internet, no intel = lots of adventure and fun finding out. Best to stay in the basement if you want everything worked out before you step on the plane.

"Nothing ventured, nothing gained".

[Engine Driver]

The most unusual experiences happen when you least expect them in AC. I was walking back from Walking Street one night dateless and desperate. I had been bar hopping in many of the clubs and became more and more disillusioned. I don't know if it was pussy fatigue or just sick of being scammed by the girls. They all looked so disinterested doing the AC zombie shuffle on stage. I was also sick of the fat, ugly waitresses hanging around me for an LD or barfine which was never going to happen in a million years.

So I was just walking along near Phillies Sports Bar feeling sorry for myself and about to cross the road to get a trike, when this massage girl grabbed me and handed me her card. "Sir, I'm Reema and I do massage and everything in your room now. I do deep throat blowjob, fucking and you cum in my mouth. Up to you on tip. " Well, with an introduction like that, what did I have to lose?

Reema was a bit on the curvy side, like a real woman. Some would say plump. But after dining on nothing but skin and bone for the past five days, a bit of meat on the bones was just what I needed. Reema told her handler she was off with me and we got in a trike and headed for my room.

After 5 minutes, we dispensed with the massage and got down to business. She gave me the best BBBJ I have ever had in my entire life and I've been doing P4 P for more than 30 years now. This girl knows how to suck cock. We then fucked in multiple positions. Reema is a few inches taller than the standard pinay, so I was able to do doggie properly. I'm 6'2" so you can imagine the difficulty I'd been having previously because of the height difference. What she did next completely shocked and amused me. After I came in the condom, she took it and drank the contents straight from the bag. There was some spillage on the sheets which she just licked off.

After this we cleaned up and just lay in bed. She texted her handler. I presume to let her know she was going to be late. She then proceeded to tell me about her love life and sought my counsel. She has four live marriage offers. I didn't believe it, but she showed me all of the correspondence, photo albums and pleas begging her to marry.

I hope I don't bore you with these details, so only keep reading if you're interested.

Suitor 1 is a famous Australian surgeon with a big profile. I know this guy, so it was strange seeing him pop up on Reema's messages. He has visited her twice now in AC and is waiting for her to say yes. His sisters have interviewed Reema by Skype and have given their blessing. He has a hot 22 year old son from his first marriage whom Reema has a crush on (you know where this is going). Surgeon wants to go to the province to meet her brother who is a fisherman. Reema doesn't really love him, but wants to have a baby with him and be a rich surgeon's wife. I don't think Reema quite knows how big a fish she has actually caught.

Suitor 2 is an African American welder from California. He has met her in AC and they had a two week holiday in Palawan. She actually loves this guy, but he's not rich. Reema is okay with that and feels that true love is more important. He has proposed and wants to marry her now.

Suitor 3 is an Indian jewellery shop owner who is seriously rich. He wants to marry her and take her to live in Bangalore.

Suitor 4 is a Singaporean restaurant owner.

None of these poor suckers knows what she really does for a living. She met them all on FC dating site. All four are sending her money each month. I asked her why she is still working if she's getting so much money sent to her. She replied that she loves sex and making new friends. This is one of the few working girls who has said she loves her job.

I told her to marry the surgeon, have his baby and then look for other amusement on the side!

Please PM me if you want Reema's number.

[BeachBoy46]

I see the latest news is saying Duterte has been voted "The Worlds most popular President". Bad news for all the Trump lovers in Angeles as it is rumoured Roddy may have been born in Hawaii. Hahaha love US politics from afar.

[Engine Driver]

I've just come back from AC and all this talk of Koreans being the top dogs in AC and Westerners being relegated to the fat, ugly middle-aged waitresses is highly exaggerated and unnecessary.

In my whole trip covering AC, Manila and Mindoro, I did not meet one single girl who liked Koreans, and I interviewed dozens of them. Many said they would not go with a Korean. They universally agreed that Koreans are rude kuripots, don't by LDs, don't tip and were rough / perverted in bed and horrible company. Several girls said that Koreans occasionally assaulted the girls and it then became a police matter. One girl said that Koreans would only tip them if they stayed until 3. 00 pm the next day. If they left at 12.00 noon, then there was no tip.

In every bar I went to, I was able to attract the attention of virtually any girl I wanted, be it at Atlantis or at the Drill Shack on the Perimeter. I did not bar fine every girl I interviewed, but all were prepared to come with me. All it cost me was a 250 PHP LD and a 50 PHP tip for the waitress to get to meet them. I did not see any westerner without company. I did however see groups of Koreans drinking full strength SMBs, but without an LD in sight. Groups of girls would gather around them, but no matter how long they hovered, kuripot K was not going to buy an LD.

There are thousands of girls in AC and you don't need to bar-fine the best looking spotlight girl at the biggest bar anyway. She is never going to perform wether you are a Westerner or Korean. So stop worrying about the Koreans dominating the scene. It's all a myth.

[NapaSlapper]

I've just come back from AC and all this talk of Koreans being the top dogs in AC and Westerners being relegated to the fat, ugly middle-aged waitresses is highly exaggerated and unnecessary.

In my whole trip covering AC, Manila and Mindoro, I did not meet one single girl who liked Koreans, and I interviewed dozens of them. Many said they would not go with a Korean. They universally agreed that Koreans are rude kuripots, don't by LDs, don't tip and were rough / perverted in bed and horrible company. Several girls said that Koreans occasionally assaulted the girls and it then became a police matter. One girl said that Koreans would only tip them if they stayed until 3. 00 pm the next day. If they left at 12.00 noon, then there was no tip..ED,

You claim you can barfine any hottie or that any hottie will sit with you from Atlantis then I ask you, what happened then.

You clearly state in your trip report that you went with 3 girls, the first 2 were well over the hill milfs and a fat massage girl. No mention of any slim good looking girls at all.

As for your claims of any Atlantis girl would sit with you for a 250 peso drink then ill take that with a pinch of salt as the drinks in Atlantis are not 250 pesos and never were.

Let me let you into a few secrets ED, prostitutes tell their punters what they want to hear, if they are with a westerner then westerners are no 1 and everyone else is wicked, tight, a pervert etc.

When they are with a Korean then all westerners are all of the above and the Koreans are kind, generous and no1.

Best advice is don't listen to prostitutes, period. Truth is not one of their strong points.

To say Koreans are not sitting with girls and not buying drinks and spending large amounts of money enjoying themselves and making it rain is just not true in the slightest IMHO.

A simple you tube search or Koreans in Angeles will bring up many many videos of Koreans making it rain and throwing money around like its going out of fashion, also they show most punters in angeles bars are asians and they are the ones sitting with the top girls with tables full of girl drinks.

Not sure why you are not seeing this if you have genuinely been in Angeles as you claim.

[Wicked Roger]

Janboi has not paid the $20 subscription and thus most probably is a 'Manager' by default. Get the drift? As you say, the answers to his queries are already on the website, just need a bit of reading as you suggest. Next they will be asking us to fuck the girls for them, LOL.Good comment Sxxxx, he has asked lots of questions but he has also been to the country 5 times (in a relationship he said) but knows nothing about the country. He restarted posting earlier this year. The last time was 2010 in Mexico (only 2 FRs). Manager for sure and trying to show how lazy he is.

His latest 'contribution' in the AC thread is full of silliness IMHO with a 600 pesos / day room or a 4 k pesos a month apartment. Very impressive. He has been told to RTFF and contribute before.

As some of said before me he should RTFF and stop wasting others times and more importantly intel.

[Engine Driver]

Thank you to the forum readers who have sent me advice and notes of encouragement. I agree that its best not to plan anything in AC. What could be a bad experience today might turn out to be brilliant tomorrow. Even after four visits, I'm still learning new things. It's very easy to become overwhelmed and to think that you must pack so much into 3-4 days. One reader mentioned that AC is all not about going into the biggest bar and fining the hottest chick. If that's the attitude you go in with, then only disappointment will result. It's with this in mind that I decided to give the Perimeter bars another go. I recall Dg8787 is a big fan of these low key bars and I enjoyed his reports about threesomes and then ordering up Jollibee to the room.

So after my bad experience with a Perimeter girl who did a runner, I went into Candy Bar for a look at 12.30 pm (they open at noon). I could not believe what I saw. There were 8 stunning girls on stage, all who were absolutely gorgeous. These girls would have made the grade at Burgos or EDSA, no doubt about it. One of them immediately smiled at me, so I said "come on down baby". Her name was Regerma, which I later learnt was a combination of her father's and mother's names. She was such a sweety and I couldn't keep my eyes or hands off her. I bought her an LD and she agreed be my girlfriend until 10.00 pm. So I paid the bar fine of 1,600 PHP (yes, that is not a typo) and took her with me. We hung out all day, went to SM Clark, Starbucks, saw a movie and did what normal dating couples do. It was excellent. We then went back to my hotel at 6. 00 pm and got down to business. Wow, the long lead up ensured a fabulous time. She was just simply awesome. I was really tired by 8. 00 pm, so I gave her a generous tip and showed her out. As soon as she got home, she texted me a nice thank you note.

So that's how I finished up my AC trip. Would I return. Yes please!

[Sxxxx]

I agree with ED on Candy Bar.

I was in AC 14 days and every day, yes every day, I visited Candy Bar. It only disappointed me once.

The line up is normally good, sometimes very good, yet guys on this Forum criticize the place. What are they looking for, fat jumbo's or skinny skeletons?

I referred to Candy Bar as my "Fav bar" in my reports, cause I did not want too much competition whilst in AC. Now that I have left Phils you can all rush to Candy Bar, hope you find what I found there, every day, except once, when the good ones had already been barfined. And I agree that the girls there could easily get a job in Walking St, and as I said in one of my Fav bar reports the girls told me, they make more money working in a bar that charges P1600 bar fine, than they would in a place charging P3000 BF. Single LD's bring a commission of only P50 for the girl. Takes a lot of them to add up to P700 , Candy' girls share of BF. Funny, one girl had 8 sisters and two brothers. She was the bread winner for the family, LOL. Think she earned P150 a day salary = keen to be barfined. 19 and no kids.

Call before 3 pm when the good ones are already BF'd. 12 noon to 2 pm 1st shift and supposedly eye candy for K's. Not so, in my experience. Very inconsistent, can be hot ones there at 12 noon, or hot ones arrive and start on the 2 pm shift. Varies.

OK, go ahead and criticise the talent at Candy Bar. I don't mind, LOL.

I've got my doubts about stories girls make so much with LD's they can't be bothered BF-ing. I never got a knock back for a BF, ever. And I could easily be the girls great grandfather! Nicely dressed, not obese, smiley fun loving, willing to spend = bingo, every time.

[NapaSlapper]

Wow, 8 absolute stunning girls in candy bar that could quiet easily work on Burgos st Manila.

I was at the opening of candy bar some 8-9 years ago, I have very often popped my head in there over the years with only last weekend the last time.

It would be fair to say that over my many many visits I have never seen a stunning girl in candy bar ever, have never even seen a girl pretty enough to buy a drink for there.

Just goes to show that what is one mans absolute stunner might be most other guys no thank you even for free.

Anyways glad you had a great time there, keep happy.

[NapaSlapper]

Thanks for your input Sxxx.

Its nice to hear that you are gods gift to Angeles prostitutes LOL.

Always remember 1 thing though, the amount of refusals one gets is normally tied directly to what type of girl one asks.

Just like in real life, the pretty ones have many choices, the fat ugly ones have little choice, has been that way since the beginning of time dear Sxxx.

[Dg8787]

Thank you to the forum readers who have sent me advice and notes of encouragement. I agree that its best not to plan anything in AC. What could be a bad experience today might turn out to be brilliant tomorrow. Even after four visits, I'm still learning new things. It's very easy to become overwhelmed and to think that you must pack so much into 3-4 days. One reader mentioned that AC is all not about going into the biggest bar and fining the hottest chick. If that's the attitude you go in with, then only disappointment will result. It's with this in mind that I decided to give the Perimeter bars another go. I recall Dg8787 is a big fan of these low key bars and I enjoyed his reports about threesomes and then ordering up Jollibee to the room.

So after my bad experience with a Perimeter girl who did a runner, I went into Candy Bar for a look at 12.30 pm (they open at noon). I could not believe what I saw. There were 8 stunning girls on stage, all who were absolutely gorgeous. These girls would have made the grade at Burgos or EDSA, no doubt about it. One of them immediately smiled at me, so I said "come on down baby". Her name was Regerma, which I later learnt was a combination of her father's and mother's names...Candy Bar does have some beauties along with the other perimeter bars. Glad you found a great girl there.

[Socker]

Candy Bar does have some beauties along with the other perimeter bars. Glad you found a great girl there.There's an old guy who comes in everyday and throws money around. He sits in the back right of the bar where the long table has a black draping on the outside creating a cubicle for private blow jobs. He usually has 2 girls on his left and 2 on his right. These ladies alternate going under the table where her enjoys the ladies on his sides and the one under the table.

I have seen him many times and these (mid tier) ladies go under the table. I know this because early in my visit here I really liked the prettiest lady there. I arrived here around 9/9/16 and quickly took a liking to her. After 2 visits I bar fined her and we went swimming at the hotel pool. It was a very special day and the sex was great, she being a busty spinner (my favorite). So after that I did not want to repeat right away and so a few days later I come back to Candy Bar at 12:40 and she is walking out w / customer. I say to myself get here at 12 tomorrow which I did so I could get to her first.

Tomorrow arrives and I'm at the bar 10 minutes before they open. I think I'm the second one in there. The ladies are on the stage doing there make up. My beer arrives and I ask to see my lady. My lady comes over and tells me she's on the men and that she is not going out. She then says she has another customer and to my left a K guy is there so she goes to him and I thought where did he come from? Anyway I assumed they would leave together and I missed out again, no biggie I guess. I call another nice looker down because I bar fined her one day my fave was off work so I just wanted someone to talk to and my fave was busy w / the K.

As this was going on the old guy (everybody loves) walks in and it's his birthday. So the ping pong balls start flying and he sits down at the long blow job table. Two ladies on each side, sometimes they have his shirt open and sucking his nips or whatever. So he's quite the stud for being in his 80's and then an occasional lady will go under the table from his right side. He will enjoy all his company and occasionally watches the blow job girl.

As I'm watching this scene I hear the waitress tell the K the bill is 240 pesos. So I instantly know my fave will be free and I can see her face to face. She is pretty and a really nice body. The K goes and she returns to the stage, w / in seconds she is walking toward the old guy and then to the side of the long table and then goes under. The old guy is now getting a blow job from my swimming pool love. He's watching her and having a ball, another guy is sitting at the table too and it's just another day at the Candy Bar.

Well this was a new feeling for me. I never get hurt if I am not the customer who wins the prize but seeing my special lady go under the table was a crushing blow. I am still hurting from it and this happened 2 days ago. I have great pics of her at the PB swimming pool and others and now I can't even look at them. Seeing her go under the table was devastating for me.

No one did anything wrong, but this sex trade I thought I knew, and then this Candy Bar blow job table just destroyed me. After 5 minutes she came out and stood at the end drinking her cranberry drink and stood there for another 10 minutes. I asked the waitress if she was free but the waitress said she had a drink which I know means she's busy. So I waited a little longer and then left w / my guts in knots.

I knew what I needed to do so I went to the Fire Pit and found a replacement and she was wonderful company and my mind relaxed and my guts returned to normal. The next day I woke up to a strong depression but as the day went on I came out of it.

So if you go there to the Candy Bar I hope what happened to me does not happen to you. Be quick in there and know every lady in this bar goes under the table (not just the mid tier lookers) and sucks this guy's oyster. Again, more power to him and I have learned something new. I can still feel the nauseating gut punch when I saw my beauty go under the table. She was doing her job and I respect her but damn I wish I never met her.

[Sprokit69]

Is it just the one table, I'll be there Saturday, will have to Check it out, what's the cost?


There's an old guy who comes in everyday and throws money around. He sits in the back right of the bar where the long table has a black draping on the outside creating a cubicle for private blow jobs. He usually has 2 girls on his left and 2 on his right. These ladies alternate going under the table where her enjoys the ladies on his sides and the one under the table.

I have seen him many times and these (mid tier) ladies go under the table. I know this because early in my visit here I really liked the prettiest lady there. I arrived here around 9/9/16 and quickly took a liking to her. After 2 visits I bar fined her and we went swimming at the hotel pool. It was a very special day and the sex was great, she being a busty spinner (my favorite). So after that I did not want to repeat right away and so a few days later I come back to Candy Bar at 12:40 and she is walking out w / customer. I say to myself get here at 12 tomorrow which I did so I could get to her first.

Tomorrow arrives and I'm at the bar 10 minutes before they open. I think I'm the second one in there. The ladies are on the stage doing there make up. My beer arrives and I ask to see my lady. My lady comes over and tells me she's on the men and that she is not going out. She then says she has another customer and to my left a K guy is there so she goes to him and I thought where did he come from? Anyway I assumed they would leave together and I missed out again, no biggie I guess. I call another nice looker down because I bar fined her one day my fave was off work so I just wanted someone to talk to and my fave was busy w / the K.

As this was going on the old guy (everybody loves) walks in and it's his birthday. So the ping pong balls start flying and he sits down at the long blow job table. Two ladies on each side, sometimes they have his shirt open and sucking his nips or whatever. So he's quite the stud for being in his 80's and then an occasional lady will go under the table from his right side. He will enjoy all his company and occasionally watches the blow job girl.

As I'm watching this scene I hear the waitress tell the K the bill is 240 pesos. So I instantly know my fave will be free and I can see her face to face. She is pretty and a really nice body. The K goes and she returns to the stage, w / in seconds she is walking toward the old guy and then to the side of the long table and then goes under. The old guy is now getting a blow job from my swimming pool love. He's watching her and having a ball, another guy is sitting at the table too and it's just another day at the Candy Bar.

Well this was a new feeling for me. I never get hurt if I am not the customer who wins the prize but seeing my special lady go under the table was a crushing blow. I am still hurting from it and this happened 2 days ago. I have great pics of her at the PB swimming pool and others and now I can't even look at them. Seeing her go under the table was devastating for me.

No one did anything wrong, but this sex trade I thought I knew, and then this Candy Bar blow job table just destroyed me. After 5 minutes she came out and stood at the end drinking her cranberry drink and stood there for another 10 minutes. I asked the waitress if she was free but the waitress said she had a drink which I know means she's busy. So I waited a little longer and then left w / my guts in knots.

I knew what I needed to do so I went to the Fire Pit and found a replacement and she was wonderful company and my mind relaxed and my guts returned to normal. The next day I woke up to a strong depression but as the day went on I came out of it.

So if you go there to the Candy Bar I hope what happened to me does not happen to you. Be quick in there and know every lady in this bar goes under the table (not just the mid tier lookers) and sucks this guy's oyster. Again, more power to him and I have learned something new. I can still feel the nauseating gut punch when I saw my beauty go under the table. She was doing her job and I respect her but damn I wish I never met her.

[Member #4566]

Well this was a new feeling for me. I never get hurt if I am not the customer who wins the prize but seeing my special lady go under the table was a crushing blow. I am still hurting from it and this happened 2 days ago. I have great pics of her at the PB swimming pool and others and now I can't even look at them. Seeing her go under the table was devastating for me. Every time I go to AC it is like I live a lifetime of emotions. It is such a dipsy doodle of feelings. We acclaim the Filipina for the girl friend experience (GFE) but it can cut both ways. This is supposed to be a vacation yet I sometimes find myself swirled up in drama. I think that it is just part of the godawful pleasure of the experience. But if it is a roller coaster ride for us, think how much it must be for these girls who do it for a living!

[Engine Driver]

Napper Slapper,

No need for such forensic assessment of reports. It adds no value. The PI boards remain intimidating enough and reports like yours only keep potential contributors away. It doesn't have to be like this.


ED,

You claim you can barfine any hottie or that any hottie will sit with you from Atlantis then I ask you, what happened then.

You clearly state in your trip report that you went with 3 girls, the first 2 were well over the hill milfs and a fat massage girl. No mention of any slim good looking girls at all.

That's correct Sir. I would bang those two MILFs and the chubby massage girl all day, everyday ahead of any glamazonian spinner from Atlantis. The level of mutual raw passion and excitement generated by those girls would be far superior to anything generated by the top billing bar girls. Frankly, I don't need the ego boost which comes from walking up and down the the Fields Avenue promenade, arm-in-arm with a 21-year old hottie.


ED,

As for your claims of any Atlantis girl would sit with you for a 250 peso drink then ill take that with a pinch of salt as the drinks in Atlantis are not 250 pesos and never were.

You are misunderstanding the context here. I was not doing a detailed review of Club Atlantis, so the quoted LD price has no bearing. I was simply saying that I was able to engage in a chat with a girl for the price of an LD and could have easily barfined had I not felt so jaded. If I had said LDs were 350 (or whatever), you would have pulled me up by saying "oh the LDs at Drill Shack are not 350". I could never win. BTW, does anyone closely examine the bar chit in the dim light when the waitress puts it in the cup? I just used to put a blue note in the cup when it cam time to leave.


ED,

Let me let you into a few secrets ED, prostitutes tell their punters what they want to hear, if they are with a westerner then westerners are no 1 and everyone else is wicked, tight, a pervert etc.

When they are with a Korean then all westerners are all of the above and the Koreans are kind, generous and no1.

Next time I will pull out my polygraph machine from my back pocket, stick the sensors on the girl before asking any questions about Koreans. If the girl asks why I'm doing this, I shall say "my friend Mr Slapper won't believe me otherwise". Have you never caught a girl in an unguarded moment where she opens up without prompting?

So where to now Napper Slapper? Maybe Harvard referencing, or perhaps peer review of all papers before submission to ISG? Just go ahead and drive contributors away even further.

[Sxxxx]

There's an old guy who ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.Thanks for your report, it was a good one. Brought a smile to my dial, and reminded me of the home truth: "its all about money, you know that" , as one non sex waitress in a regular restaurant, and who knows me well, said casually as she walked away from my table. We have to be reminded of the home truths, from time to time. What is not about money, in this world, LOL.

That old guy. Well, I was resident observer at Candy Bar, and in walks an old guy, the girls scream, like its 1970's and Paul McCartney had just walked in. Yes, he goes to the dark side, in the corner, I wondered why, was he shy? (LOL). I wondered why. Its about the money stupid!

Next I see Mama-san and staff arrive for LD's for all the girls on stage. They turned around to him, raised their glasses to him, and said in unison, "Tugay" (spelling?) = "Cheers". He just bought a dozen LD's, plus drinks whatever, for the girls already at his table. My eye sight isn't the best right now, reaction to medical treatment had recently, so I could not see what was going on in the corner. Thanks for the explanation.

I ask questions wherever I go, girl with me, told me he was a Dutchman living in USA, a visitor, not a resident. He didn't stay all that long, did not depart with a barfine either. Then there is the guy who visits on Sundays, buys a cup of tea, sits cuppa tea on the stage, and starts gyrating with the girls. Young guy.

Your story reminded me Candy Bar has 'spirit' , its lively, friendly, and adequate for a blind man like me, that is, lots of good looking women, from what I can see (LOL). In fact my eyesight improved after my daily visits to Candy bar. Lot of below average girls employed in Walking St, by the way. And that P200,000 virgin who accosted me in P3000 Walking St barfine bar, next to Arcadia, forgotten bars name. She was overweight, and a 5 at best, yet she reckoned her hymen was worth 200 thou (pesos). Never invited her to my table, don't know how she got there. Must have reckon I look like a sucker, LOL.

Your report was interesting and value. Too many guys come on the Forum to brag, which is of no use to anyone. Yours was more realistic and entertaining.

We must never forget what the waitress said (to me): "Its all about money, you should know that".

She said it in a cheeky way. Liked it. Facts, facts.

[Engine Driver]

Wow, 8 absolute stunning girls in candy bar that could quiet easily work on Burgos st Manila.


It would be fair to say that over my many many visits I have never seen a stunning girl in candy bar ever, have never even seen a girl pretty enough to buy a drink for there.

I am tiring at your attempt at sarcasm. If you don't have anything useful to say, best to save the bandwidth and just zip it.

[NapaSlapper]

ED, not trying to pick on you but I find your claims have so many inconsistencies that its hard to know where the truth lies.

As far as the performance of the better looking girls of Atlantis and fields avenue then as you clearly state you never fucked any and prefer to fuck milfs and fatties so then how would you know how the good looking / slim / girls would perform back at the room, oh I know you just guessed, the mind boggles, it really does.

[BrainDrain]

I knew what I needed to do so I went to the Fire Pit and found a replacement and she was wonderful company and my mind relaxed and my guts returned to normal. The next day I woke up to a strong depression but as the day went on I came out of it.

"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device".

Ouch, I know the exact feeling and for me it's Fire Pit instead of Candy Bar. I first BF'd after she had been working only a week or so. I was her BF no #2. She was cute, pretty, nice, 19 yo. Wasn't excellent in bed, didn't know really what she was doing, which was kind of nice too.

Now, back in Australia, I see her on FB, always hanging out in western places after work, still working the dating sites, still giving ALL OF YOU her blow jobs and learning how to please men. About once a week, a verandah pic from a different hotel.

So, the moral is that it is a game that cuts both ways. It's just a service.

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
"Relax, " said the night man,
"We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!

You can think that your girl is programmed to receive. :)

[NapaSlapper]

Nice post Brain Drain and a great song too LOL.

But seriously guys, getting upset over working girls?

The best advice when dealing with working girls is to keep ones emotions / feeling out of it.

Find her, fuck her, pay her and forget her is the best advice one can be given.

For the guys who seek the kidding ones self feeling (GFE) then realize this can only be achieved while money is changing hands, there is no real emotion / love / respect from working girls, they save that for their pinoy husbands, boyfriends, trike driver secret lovers and of course their special girlie friend, its all about the money with us, take away the money and we are just not needed or wanted.

Keep fucking guys, but keep your emotions / feeling under lock and key if one seeks an easy life, thanks.

[Amavida]

Nice post Brain Drain and a great song too LOL.

But seriously guys, getting upset over working girls?

The best advice when dealing with working girls is to keep ones emotions / feeling out of it.

Find her, fuck her, pay her and forget her is the best advice one can be given.

For the guys who seek the kidding ones self feeling (GFE) then realize this can only be achieved while money is changing hands, there is no real emotion / love / respect from working girls, they save that for their pinoy husbands, boyfriends, trike driver secret lovers and of course their special girlie friend, its all about the money with us, take away the money and we are just not needed or wanted.

Keep fucking guys, but keep your emotions / feeling under lock and key if one seeks an easy life, thanks.It takes a lot of guts to come here and admit that you mistakenly or otherwise got emotionally attached to a sex worker. Its a occupational hazard of the punter. You would have to be a bit of a psychopath not to be vulnerable to some extent. I would be a liar if I did'nt admit that occasionally a woman will get under my radar. Warning alarms goo off in my head when I hear guys describing sex workers as 'my girl'. Before going in remind yourself you are entering the biggest brothel in the PI's. Enjoy the palaver in the bar but don't take it seriously.

Live by the 3 day rule: if you continue with bar sex workers for more than 3 days you are in danger of going off the rails or going broke (or both).

[Socker]

That old guy. Well, I was resident observer at Candy Bar, and in walks an old guy, the girls scream, like its 1970's and Paul McCartney had just walked in. Yes, he goes to the dark side, in the corner, I wondered why, was he shy? (LOL). I wondered why. Its about the money stupid!

Next I see Mama-san and staff arrive for LD's for all the girls on stage. They turned around to him, raised their glasses to him, and said in unison, "Tugay" (spelling?) = "Cheers". He just bought a dozen LD's, plus drinks whatever, for the girls already at his table. My eye sight isn't the best right now, reaction to medical treatment had recently, so I could not see what was going on in the corner. Thanks for the explanation.
never forget what the waitress said (to me): "Its all about money, you should know that".Yeah, I saw the same scene play out, comes in amid cheers, then buys all the ladies drinks, the ladies salute him, goes to his BJ table and opens his shirt so the ladies can kiss / lick him all over. You got to give the guys kudos, he owns that place and every lady in it. What a wonderful perverted system he has created for himself.


Your story reminded me Candy Bar has 'spirit' , its lively, friendly, and adequate for a blind man like me, that is, lots of good looking women, from what I can see (LOL).
Your report was interesting and value. Too many guys come on the Forum to brag, which is of no use to anyone. Yours was more realistic and entertaining.

We must never forget what the waitress said (to me): "Its all about money, you should know that".I know it's all about money (every time out) and that's how I like it. The women here have free will and can do what they want w / their bodies. I know and except monger competition and have been on both sides of the win loss column. I have no issue or emotional difficulties w / that but the Candy Bar presented a new demand on my emotions where as you have what looks like a regular bar but it is not. There are no BJ tables at the other Perimeter bars I go to and if there are then maybe someone here can tell me which ones. I won't patronize them, because if I take a liking to one of the dancers I will be competing w / the BJ table as well as the other mongers. The BJ table in close proximity (to my seat) is a wicked adversary that I want nothing to do w.

I'm sure there used to be many bars like the Candy Bar in the earlier days and so a punter might have to wait for his favorite to climb out from under the table. I think generally these bars were low end bars and so if I were to go there it would be strictly for a BJ. I wouldn't go to Candy Bar hunting for a fun companion to spend the day with, not anymore. If I wanted the pleasure of getting a couple girls working on Jr under the table while people were walking by then I would go there. I am that type of monger, I am like the old man but w / out all the money to throw around.

I met a guy at Kokomos yesterday and he lives here. I told him what happened and he said that the lady choose the small money. She screwed up. I tend to believe that. She went under the table for a drink or 100 pesos where as I would have showered her w / attention and some tip money, plus another BF. But she is popular and bar fines everyday (I bet) so my money is meaningless to her, whatever, she's a robot.

Anyway lesson learned.


Every time I go to AC it is like I live a lifetime of emotions. It is such a dipsy doodle of feelings. We acclaim the Filipina for the girl friend experience (GFE) but it can cut both ways. This is supposed to be a vacation yet I sometimes find myself swirled up in drama. I think that it is just part of the godawful pleasure of the experience. But if it is a roller coaster ride for us, think how much it must be for these girls who do it for a living!Yes, just think about how it is for them.

On this trip I almost spent 2 weeks in AC and that's record for me. In that time I have heard an incredible amount of bar girl drama. It's really hard to tell who is doing what to whom. They need to be emotionless and to do their job as best to fill their needs and stay w / in the bar fine system. Hence, I bar fine a dancer on Tuesday afternoon, have a wonderful time bar hopping, eating and fucking. She leaves and the next day I walk into her bar and she does not look at me, smile, nothing, it's like yesterday never happened. These women are robots to some extent, not because they want to be but because they would not survive their business model, I / e, fuck on demand.

Anyway bro thanks for the pat on the back. Today is my last day in AC and I'll hit the other Perimeter bars at 2 pm. I've had good luck in the Ice Bar, and Fire Pit.


Is it just the one table, I'll be there Saturday, will have to Check it out, what's the cost?Not sure but it does look like fun. I would doubt the table is available to just any Joe while the old guy is still around.

I've been really working my body down while here. Last night I was freezing and sweating in bed, had a fever and fuck! What next?

Fortunately I feel normal today and would like to do 2 sessions. My mo is the Perimeter in the afternoon and Fields at night. That's a lot for me these days.

As for whether there are any lookers in the bars on Fields? Yes, there are many and 20% of them will go w / non K / Js. There are a lot of lookers all over town.

But they're either walking alone, w / friends, or w / Ks and Js. The hottest women here are 98% exclusively for the Asia monger. This is not an exaggeration.

With that said the K / J scraps can be pretty nice as well. I also see many K / Js W / scraps too.

There is no place like this town. It is changing fast and high-rises are going up everywhere. Get here while the getting is still good.

[GoodEnough]

You would have to be a bit of a psychopath not to be vulnerable to some extent. I would be a liar if I did'nt admit that occasionally a woman will get under my radar.I don't know of anyone whose humanity remains intact, who has not at one point or another been moved by some of the countless tales of woe that punters inevitably hear in encounters lasting more than an hour. And I admit to having tried to help, albeit it modestly, more than one bar girl finding herself in a desperate situation.

Despite the callousness which can and does derive from working in the commercial sex industry, and the potential for lying, the young women remain human beings, many of whom never selected sex work as viable career options. It's also undeniable that some of us feel, from time to time, a connection with selected ladies. I have some friends for example, who have retained bar-initiated friendships for years and who help from time to time. I guess that each of us has to come to his own conclusions about whether, when, and how to react to such situations.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

Nice post Brain Drain and a great song too LOL.

But seriously guys, getting upset over working girls?

The best advice when dealing with working girls is to keep ones emotions / feeling out of it.

Find her, fuck her, pay her and forget her is the best advice one can be given.

For the guys who seek the kidding ones self feeling (GFE) then realize this can only be achieved while money is changing hands, there is no real emotion / love / respect from working girls, they save that for their pinoy husbands, boyfriends, trike driver secret lovers and of course their special girlie friend, its all about the money with us, take away the money and we are just not needed or wanted.

Keep fucking guys, but keep your emotions / feeling under lock and key if one seeks an easy life, thanks.Some guys are susceptible to Pretty Woman Syndrome. It is not that they are in love with the bar girl, it is just that their big egos get bruised because they deluded themselves into thinking that the girl was fucking them because of their good looks and charm. The illusion gets destroyed when they realize anyone who is willing to pay can stick their dick into the same bar girl. These guys then get upset at the realization that they are not special in any way to the girl. Some guys also realize that it was not so hygienic to suck on the bar girl's tongue or pussy given the amount of BBBJs she gives other mongers and the amount of cream pies squirted choux crme style in her snatch.

I have seen freelance Flip hookers fuck mongers staying on different floors in the same hotel, going from one short time to the next to make efficient use of their time for maximum profits. This is one reason why they collect phone numbers and make note of the mongers' hotel and room number. Once they are in the hotel it makes sense to turn as many tricks at possible in that location. The more organized and business savvy girls use apps like Skout to keep track of their tricks in a given geographic area and will systematically hit each one up just like a salesman cold calling a territory he is working on a given day.

Observant guys who spend a lot of time among Filipinos will eventually realize that even legally married Filipino men allow their wives to go out and fuck foreigners for money and to con them out of house and lot if possible. Smart guys learn to avoid getting emotionally involved with Filipinos, leave the country permanently, or learn to accept that the local pussy is community property. Those who persist in believing that Filipinos experience deep loving feelings and attachment to foreigners usually end up using the express vertical checkout from the hotel balcony or the upper floors of the mall like that German in Bacolod City.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/bacolod/local-news/2016/03/04/german-national-leaps-his-death-malls-third-floor-460709

About a year after he complained to local police that his Negrense fiance duped him, German national Richard Alexander Harbich leaped to his death from the third floor of a shopping mall in Bacolod City on Thursday afternoon, March 3. Apparently broken-hearted and broke at the same time, his frustration could have prompted him to end his own life, said Senior Inspector Richard Fajarito, chief of Police Station 1.

He came to the Philippines to marry the 29-year-old Negrense after meeting her on a dating site on May 2014, and he first arrived in the country in October of the same year.

After learning of his financial problems, the woman "dropped me like a hot potato," he told reporters who interviewed him then.

Harbich added that "she was always asking for money" and "I'm down on money" because of his health issues.

At that time, he said that he did not know the whereabouts of his girlfriend, who had suggested that he pawn his laptop, and took his automated teller machine card and cellular phone.

Fajarito said that Harbich had been staying at Circle Inn Hotel, but police were informed that he failed to pay his hotel bills.

He added that sometimes, the German national dropped by Police Station 1, as well as Police Stations 4 and 7, so he could eat.

[VicVeg]

I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.

[X Man]

If you are speaking from experience, please share at least a few of the dirty details.


It takes a lot of guts to come here and admit that you mistakenly or otherwise got emotionally attached to a sex worker. Its a occupational hazard of the punter. You would have to be a bit of a psychopath not to be vulnerable to some extent. I would be a liar if I did'nt admit that occasionally a woman will get under my radar. Warning alarms goo off in my head when I hear guys describing sex workers as 'my girl'. Before going in remind yourself you are entering the biggest brothel in the PI's. Enjoy the palaver in the bar but don't take it seriously.

Live by the 3 day rule: if you continue with bar sex workers for more than 3 days you are in danger of going off the rails or going broke (or both).

[NapaSlapper]

Good post Chocha Monger.

Agree with you 100% on all of your points especially about sucking on a bar girls tongue and pussy.

Thought I was straight to the point with my posts but I have to hand that title to you LOL.

[Sxxxx]

Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.

[Sxxxx]

I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.A barfine girl will not want to go to a party of good girls. And the good girls will not want hookers there = not on. The P1500 is most probably to discourage mongers bringing puta's. Perhaps with trends as they are, ABC is trying to change its image. Political correctness is a broad broom. Can't sweep it under the carpet anymore, hence, "come clean" ?

[NapaSlapper]

Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.Agree fully Sxxx.

There is no Angeles girl who would get under the table and suck grand daddies cock for less than 500 pesos, probably much more.

Years back in most all Angeles bars if you bought a girl a lady drink (single as doubles were unheard of) then a very short blow job was included in the price.

Often would play games with 3-4 girls sitting around taking turns to blow, the girl who could make one come in her mouth would get the 500 peso tip on top of the lady drink.

Oh the memories LOL.

[NapaSlapper]

I walked into the ABC Hotel and asked about coming parties. They said there won't be a pool party this year, but they will have a rooftop New Years Eve party this year. I checked the pics from last year. There are no local girls there like the pool party had. We need to bring our own girls at 1500 p each. That is alot of money for AC. Is anyone interested in this? What do we do, BF a girl, have her get dressed up and bring her to this party? Seems like an odd scene. Seems like it might be the local celebrities that have GFs in town.

Seems like Makati might be the better deal for NY eve.Have spent many a new year at the ABC new year roof top parties.

It is definitely a select crowd with most guys there being business owners with their wives, long time good girl girlfriends.

Security at the entrance has strict face control with bar girls discouraged from entry.

Always some very pretty ABC staff around to flirt with for the younger well dressed, well heeled guys.

There is zero prostitution allowed or going on at these events.

[Socker]

Socker,

You say in your latest post "P100 for a blow job". I think she got more like P500 from the old guy, possibly even P1000 if she did a good job. BJ bars before the Police Raids were regularly charging P700/800 for a BJ, thorough one, proper one. So a rushed one by the love of your life (LOL) would garner P500 methinks, but then, 'old man' impressed me as someone who does not have a lot more time on Planet Earth, and thus is making sure he has a good time before the Grim Reaper taps him on the shoulder. Hence he does not care how much he spends. Cannot take it with him, when he dies.

P1800 in ladies drinks to women he never touched, LD's to girls at his table, Pesos to girls at table who vacuumed him, tips, his own drink / s. His bill most probably tipped the P4000/5000 mark, in a low level bar called Candy. He is in a different spending league to you and me. Consequently he gets the action.

The girls quickly sense the guys who are careful with their money, and keep their distance, and head to those who think there is no tomorrow.

Beware the old guys with too little time and too much money.Hahaha, that was a good one.

Regarding payment for under the table BJs I'm not sure. She was under for 5 minutes or less, she's not getting 800 pesos for 5 minutes. And yes the ladies are pros at spotting CCs and I'm not one of them. I don't pay much attention to who I'm competing w / old or young doesn't matter. If another guy beats me to the punch w a lady I know well good for him.

My post was not about normal win / loss competition w other mongers. It was about the blow job table and a lady I enjoyed one day with. She is vibrant, beautiful and fun to be around and I had to see the underbelly of her work at a BJ bar. I did not know about this potential bad feeling (that occurred) because I've never hunted pussy in a BJ bar. That was another point no one seems to get. There are differences between regular bars and BJ bars, the Candy Bar is a "Regular / BJ bar". I never thought my girl would be one of his dick suckers, I should have known better though.

I thought the Candy Bar BJ bar was worthy of mention. The post was not about my reaction to this realization but about being in a "Regular / BJ bar" and the potential for strong hard feelings. I like BJ bars and I like regular bars more, big deal.

I guess the only thing worse than seeing a favorite daytime companion go under the BJ table would be going under the "Bung Hole table".

Lastly the same negative guys here never come close to the focus of my post. They love to insinuate some kind of monger stupidity when a monger (like me) wants more than a mechanical fuck. These pessimist must live boring as shit lives, but that's how nature wants it.

There are not many aspects of living in the USA where I am positive about (these days). For me the glass is half empty because of the PC government but I will say I am an optimist when it comes to pussy hunting in AC. The glass is more than half full here and I've done pretty well. But fucking twice everyday gets old (fast) and so I'm ready to leave. I've met some real cool women and many sent me texts this morning saying goodbye. A sincere goodbye for me, for others there is no such thing as sincerity in hookerland.

I have a ton more respect for the AC BGs than the pessimist (NS, CH) here.

[Chocha Monger]

Agree fully Sxxx.

There is no Angeles girl who would get under the table and suck grand daddies cock for less than 500 pesos, probably much more.

Years back in most all Angeles bars if you bought a girl a lady drink (single as doubles were unheard of) then a very short blow job was included in the price.

Often would play games with 3-4 girls sitting around taking turns to blow, the girl who could make one come in her mouth would get the 500 peso tip on top of the lady drink.

Oh the memories LOL.Without a doubt beau knew that the money was on granddaddy's nuts that is why she scurried under that BJ table faster than a starving squirrel! Bar girls will bypass the busters and go straight to the money every time, their survival depends on it. Bar girls only ignore past customers if they were bad for business. It is not only about the amount of money the guy pays, the girls take a pass on mongers who proved to be high maintenance in the past or were particularly distasteful to service.

For example, once a monger kept trying to beat down this freelancer's price but she would not lower it below 2,500 pesos. Finally, the monger caved in frustration and agreed to pay her price. As they were going out the door, the guy muttered for 2,500 pesos your better prepare your ass too! The girl froze in her tracks and walked back inside telling the guy that the deal was off as her asshole was not on the menu and he obviously intended to take revenge for her not giving him a lower price. So, the bar girls definitely avoid repeating with some guys for reasons the guys might not even be aware of.

Some mongers pride themselves on being great Casanovas, wearing out the bar girls between the sheets and thinking it makes them want to be their wife for life. In reality, the girls may want a bit of sleep and an early departure to go fuck the pinoy boyfriend before reporting back to the bar for duty. In other cases, the girl might have noticed that the guy had a dick that looked like corn on the COB because of genital warts of some other issue but he wanted bareback. She might not want to offend the monger by raising the issue but she will have an excuse ready the next time he shows up wanting to bar fine her to continue the love affair.

[ConquerorVal]

Into my fourth day in AC, and no complaints so far. Most of the bars on Fields have at least one to two very doable spinners. As usual I got somewhat inebriated on the first day, but did manage to hook up with a great spinner (photo below) who nursed me back to health and provided an awesome companionship. Barfined her for couple of nights, but she offered a discount (her words) for the third night. With that lovely ass, how could I say no. There was a silent agreement and understanding that this would be it. Had really good time with her in High Society on Thursday. Actually danced for first time in many years. There were some model material girls dancing there, but I prefer cute spinners. The DJ drives me crazy with his inability of holding onto a song for longer than 10 seconds before mixing it. Anyway, great time had by all. I am currently at the Queens Hotel and noticed that on the seventh floor they have a lounge with a dozen of companions. Some looked ok, so will have to redeem my free drink voucher and check it out. Going to have a morning nap now, as another 18 year old spinner keeps messaging me non stop. The demise of AC is overstated. So far having a great time.

[Fastpiston]

I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.

[Sxxxx]

I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.The K factor can be diluted quite a lot, through behavior. One thing the grils told me. They do not like being groped in the bars. A whitey next to me bought a single ladies drink, then non stop groped the girl for 30 minutes. She gets P50 commission on the drink. Nowadays girls reckon the groping from a stranger, is not worth suffering, for P50.

Generally speaking we are more aggressive, less SE Asian. They prefer the K's SE Asian approach which means less emphasis on sex itself. Initially anyway.

I think we will always be in demand cause we have a track record of marrying bar girls, taking them back to our home country where they experience financial stability, and raising a family. K's will not take a bar girl back to Mumma in South Korea. Filipinos are not held in high regard around SE Asia, that's for sure.

If your patient, not rough or rude, you can get the K type girls. They just need to get to know you first. "Treat them like a lady, and they will perform like a tramp" (ex Frank Sinatra?

Simply put, we have got a bad reputation, but that can be fixed with a patient approach. Get a reputation of being a nice guy in the bar and all is available to you. Patience.

[NapaSlapper]

I returned to AC after a 4 month break and was stunned to note that, besides Kokomos & Brettos at McDo end, virtually all restaurants in Walking Street are Korean. Very soon western mongers will have to speak Korean, eat kimchi, & pay Korean girlie prices; or retreat to mid Perimeter. Upper Perimeter is definitely totally Korea town. The girls have sniffed Korean money and the quality women have already migrated to Korean bars. In 2 years from now they will have AC sewn up, other Asian alternatives will need to be reassessed.Absolutely correct Fastpiston, not only every restaurant that comes up for sale is bought by a Korean but every bar too, have never seen so many Koreans in one place outside of Korea.

The guys that claim otherwise or that Koreans are not top dog have obviously never visited or have a monetary reason to claim such.

You are also correct in saying that the only bars that offer the old school western experience and have western customers are the bars in central perimeter road.

But lets be honest, The girls in these bars like Thai Hi etc have got to be some of the oldest, ugliest bar girls not only in Angeles but in the whole of the Phills, some are down right scary.

Fully agree that it won't be long before Angeles is fully owned by the Koreans, sad but so so true.

Anyways enjoy your trip Fastpiston.

[NapaSlapper]

Must say that although I have had rejection and excuses not to barfine from many of the higher tier girls I have never had rejection from a girl I have already fucked.

As you state for a girl to settle for the lower paying blow job on a fat ugly old guy as apposed to going on a higher paid repeat barfine shows that there is a problem with her previous barfine.

Fully agree that bargirls will flock to where the greatest amount of money lies, if that is drinks only then they will go there, if its Koreans only then they will go there etc.

Fully disagree with the crowd that say girls will work in bars that pay much less salary, much less drinks commission, much less percentage of barfine instead of moving to the larger bars that offer more, after all most top bars are crying out for pretty slim girls even offering over the odds salaries, the only reason a bargirl accepts less is if she does not posses the looks and body to compete with the other girls in the higher paying bars or she has tried to get work in the higher paying bars and got laughed out of the door by her would be employers.

[NapaSlapper]

The K factor can be diluted quite a lot, through behavior. One thing the grils told me. They do not like being groped in the bars. A whitey next to me bought a single ladies drink, then non stop groped the girl for 30 minutes. She gets P50 commission on the drink. Nowadays girls reckon the groping from a stranger, is not worth suffering, for P50.

Generally speaking we are more aggressive, less SE Asian. They prefer the K's SE Asian approach which means less emphasis on sex itself. Initially anyway.

I think we will always be in demand cause we have a track record of marrying bar girls, taking them back to our home country where they experience financial stability, and raising a family. K's will not take a bar girl back to Mumma in South Korea. Filipinos are not held in high regard around SE Asia, that's for sure.

If your patient, not rough or rude, you can get the K type girls. They just need to get to know you first. "Treat them like a lady, and they will perform like a tramp" (ex Frank Sinatra?

Simply put, we have got a bad reputation, but that can be fixed with a patient approach. Get a reputation of being a nice guy in the bar and all is available to you. Patience.Sxxx,

While I agree with most of your post especially the groping of the girls, here is where some potential problems lie.

Demand,

Years back most bargirls had this wish of meeting a westerner and moving to his country for a better life, I find that the new breed of pinay bargirl is not looking for that, what she is looking for is big money in the shortest amount of time with the least amount of effort, the top girls in Angeles / manila are earning far more than the average retired westerner and are quite happy to continue earning large among their friends and in their own country.

Being patient,

The problem with this is that the top tear girls do not barfine full stop, any attractive slim young girls that will barfine are in extremely high demand as there is so few to go around and as the Koreans outnumber the westerners by very large numbers she does not have to give a westerner any attention or the time to show her he is a nice guy, she is too busy with the high paying low fucking Koreans who she prefers anyway.

Sorry to say that the attractive Angeles bargirls are in complete control, they choose if they will fuck at all and exactly who they will fuck, sorry but I for one am not begging any bargirl, solution, just go the online good girl route or the online semi route and the world is ones oyster.

[Shrek5]

I don't think that anything is bad in Angeles because of the Koreans. There are still good chances to find a nice girl to have fun. (Even learning Korean is not the end of the world.) But it isn't that easy any more obviously.

So it's time to ask for alternatives.

If you like to have sex with young attractive girls for an affordable price in a more or less safe environment, where would you advice to go to?

[Engine Driver]

There are many beautiful girls working at the Perimeter bars, particularly at Candy Bar. Given these girls could walk into any of the big bars on Walking Street where the bar fines are almost double, I asked many of them why they stayed at the Perimeter. Here's what they said:

1. Many have good friends at the Perimeter bar and enjoyed working with them. Often they were introduced by a friend or distant relative from their own village from the provinces and they have a sense of loyalty to them

2. The girls enjoy the fact they have a more 'normal' life in that they go home at 10.00 pm and get a proper nights' sleep. They very rarely do LT beyond this time and only with customers they like or if they are taken on excursions for 2-3 days

3. The girls hate dancing on stage with high heels. If they are bar fined at 2. 00 pm, they can then escape having to dance for the rest of the day. In fact, being on their feet all day in super high heels is what they hated most about the job

4. As the bars are smaller with fewer girls, there was a lot less competition and they routinely picked up more bar fines in a month than many of their sisters on Walking Street. Also, as the bar fines were less, punters were more likely to spend money at the bar without hesitation

5. As the bar fines were much, much lower, there was a chance the punter would tip them more after good service. This was certainly true in my case as I didn't hesitate to 'top up' her bar fine to the full amount I would have paid on Walking Street. She does not have to share the tip with the bar, so she can be easily ahead of the Walking Street girl

6. The girls enjoyed being taken out during the day for lunch / dinner, the mall for window shopping or to just hang out with the customer at the pool. There was less emphasis on sex during the day

7. Many of the girls were quick to recommend a friend at the same bar for a threesome. "I lick her and she licks me. And I not hide in the CR while you boom-boom my friend". Although I'm not sure of the uptake, this up-selling could certainly improve the earnings of the girls without much effort

Some of these girls are more sensible, sharp and commercially astute than we give them credit for. I got the impression that their earnings for the month at the Perimeter were more than many of their counterparts on Walking Street. I just hope they save their money and are able to return to a normal life.

[D Cups]

QUOTE=Engine Driver: There are many beautiful girls working at the Perimeter bars.

Picked up a nice one at Touch of (CL) ass, a slight resemblance to young Sophia Loren with my beer goggles on. She was a true champ spending two nights with me, rocking my world, and then followed me to Manila for a third night there. I don't remember what I paid but it was way less than the 3 K the top tier ones get on Walking Street. Then I met this tiny 32 Kg! Spinner with big Bee cup knockers on a 32 inch bust and spent two nights with her (second night was no bar fine from Club Asia). Then I saw her Saturday at the bikini contest where she was a finalist. These two yum yums were rounded out by my regulars on the roster so you guys that complain about AC, Koreans, etc. , its all bullshit to me! It is what you make it! For extracurricular fun go to the American Legion post on Sundays (cold, cheap beer and good cheap food) and you can watch football with some great guys and / or old rocker wannabe dudes like me will wail it on guitar with some other amateur rock / country / folk musicians on their covered stage in the back. The Orchid Inn, my preferred hotel in AC, is also a good place to watch NFL games. They will air any of them at your request, even at 1 AM! Next report will be in the Subic thread so as not to upset the thread nazis.

[WestCoast1]

Some guys are susceptible to Pretty Woman Syndrome. SNIP

Observant guys who spend a lot of time among Filipinos will eventually realize that even legally married Filipino men allow their wives to go out and fuck foreigners for money and to con them out of house and lot if possible. Smart guys learn to avoid getting emotionally involved with Filipinos, leave the country permanently, or learn to accept that the local pussy is community property. Spot on, sir. Its not always this way, but the country seems filled with provincial girls who fall into this category. They pinoy boyfriend / husband may (or may not) be cognizant of what's going on. But often he is, and he is not discerning as long as the girl is bringing home the bacon (or the Empirador). Several of my regulars fall into this category, and its been this way with them for some years now. There is a boyfriend / hubby and several children waiting at home for her to come back from her 3-day trip out of town with some pasalubongs (money stupidly spent on cakes and alcohol) and cash.

[Chocha Monger]

Spot on, sir. Its not always this way, but the country seems filled with provincial girls who fall into this category. They pinoy boyfriend / husband may (or may not) be cognizant of what's going on. But often he is, and he is not discerning as long as the girl is bringing home the bacon (or the Empirador). Several of my regulars fall into this category, and its been this way with them for some years now. There is a boyfriend / hubby and several children waiting at home for her to come back from her 3-day trip out of town with some pasalubongs (money stupidly spent on cakes and alcohol) and cash.Ironic isn't it that every Filipino expat that one meets abroad recommends going to the province to find a so-called good provincial girl like Maria Clara? To hear Filipino expats tell it one would think that 100 percent of the bar girls in AC come from what they refer to as liberated areas in big cities like Manila. I don't know if it was different in the days before the rise of the internet and ubiquity of cellphones but those provincial girls are certainly not shy about fucking for pleasure and profit. Many are already sly and cunning vixens before ever crossing the threshold of a bar, so the old belief that they go bad after a couple weeks in the bar needs to be thrown out. Too many foreigners have been fleeced by supposedly innocent province girls with a pinoy boyfriend or husband sleeping in a hammock back in the bamboo shack at the edge of a rice field. According to what the girls say, these pinoys fuck them up to 12 times per day when they are back in the province. Judging from the size of their families, it is most likely true.