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Hi All,
Just finalize my booking at Central Park tower resort, this is nearer to field avenur but I want to also go to Perimeter road, although it seems not far but worry of walking there at night and as the cautioned I receieved from the hotel staff, that they don't. Recomend me to walk at night at perimeter road. But after reading here, I think I want to give candy bar a visit, so any brothers can give me more insight if the location I choose of my hotel is right? The hotel staff say that their hotel is located right at the center of the entertaiment district. By the way, how far is the walking streeet from my said hotel?
Mix of confusion and excitement on this upcoming trip.
The hotel also can arrange the transfer from my hotel in Manila to Angeles at Php 2700, is this advisable or I take the Bus at phippine rabbit to dau station?
Sorry, my first visit and thus full of confusion indeed. Need your advises here.
Cheers,
MD.
Engine Driver
09-25-16, 10:25
Hi All,
Just finalize my booking at Central Park tower resort, this is nearer to field avenur but I want to also go to Perimeter road, although it seems not far but worry of walking there at night and as the cautioned I receieved from the hotel staff, that they don't. Recomend me to walk at night at perimeter road.
The hotel also can arrange the transfer from my hotel in Manila to Angeles at Php 2700, is this advisable or I take the Bus at phippine rabbit to dau station?
Cheers,
MD.Under no circumstances should you walk from your hotel to the Perimeter bars. It is just too dangerous. I would suggest you get the hotel car to drop you off or get a trike for 100 PHP. Please don't scrimp on transportation costs. There have been muggings and even shootings on the Perimeter Road. The road is also very busy, so you could easily get hit by a bike, trike, jeep or car when you try to walk.
If this is your first time, the airport transfer service is a good option and 2700 PHP is the correct price. The driver will meet you and take you to your hotel. It will take between 2-4 hours depending on Manila traffic.
Under no circumstances should you walk from your hotel to the Perimeter bars. It is just too dangerous. I would suggest you get the hotel car to drop you off or get a trike for 100 PHP. Please don't scrimp on transportation costs. There have been muggings and even shootings on the Perimeter Road. The road is also very busy, so you could easily get hit by a bike, trike, jeep or car when you try to walk.
If this is your first time, the airport transfer service is a good option and 2700 PHP is the correct price. The driver will meet you and take you to your hotel. It will take between 2-4 hours depending on Manila traffic.Thanks Ed for the quick reply. I don't. See any reason of savings some bucks against safety, definitely PHp 100 for a safe trip is nothing but what about on the return to the hotel, I wonder the trike I take will wait for me or should I called the hotel to send another one for pick up then? I hesistate to flag down any trike or taxi after hearing such a lot of sotries about robbery.
Shooting in Perimeter road? What? This happened? My my Good Lord!
I been to Bangkok and no problem on the peace and order there, been in NEP so many times and bringing back bar dancer for over night and never have any issues with them. Philippines seems to be a lot more different from Thailand. I wish this first time mongering there will be able to let me make a good report then.
Just hook up with fews DIA girls and some of them looks cute quote me straight php 6000 for the night and some play a little game, I wonder if this will be safe to meet them as we did not know if they have some other intentions than just meetign and make some side lines money then.
Cheers,
MD.
Member #4698
09-25-16, 14:02
I propose that a new forum be created called NapaSlapper's AC Forum. Anybody want to second this motion?
Member #4698
09-25-16, 14:36
I don't. See any reason of savings some bucks against safety, definitely PHp 100 for a safe trip is nothing but what about on the return to the hotel, I wonder the trike I take will wait for me or should I called the hotel to send another one for pick up then? I hesitate to flag down any trike or taxi after hearing such a lot of sotries about robbery.
I been to Bangkok and no problem on the peace and order there, been in NEP so many times and bringing back bar dancer for over night and never have any issues with them. Philippines seems to be a lot more different from Thailand. I wish this first time mongering there will be able to let me make a good report then.
Cheers,
MD.1. Get a copy of Wayne's AC Map. Google it.
2. Most Perimeter Road Bars are primarily afternoon bars. Technically I believe Perimeter Road begins at the Jeepney Terminal or Checkpoint Charlie. Therefore Pony Tails and ABC Hotel are on Perimeter Road. There is no danger walking from Fields to ABC or Lewis Grand. I have done so at midnight alone and with girls and never encountered a problem. During the day, again, there is no problem walking from say the Lewis to the Candy Bar area although it is hot and if you are walking more than 3 or 4 blocks in this heat you will be sweaty by the time you reach your destination which is not a good idea if your are planning on picking up a girl, so my advice is take the hotel shuttle, if available, or a friendly trike to Perimeter especially if you are going out to the Lost in Asia / Clarkton Hotel area. Then when you are with a Perimeter Bar young lady, you will most definitely want to take a trike back to your hotel unless we are talking about a short distance from say Pony Tails to ABC or Touch of Class to the Lewis or something equivalent in distance. So Download Wayne's AC Map and print it out for easy reference until you get the hang of things which will only take a day or two once you are in AC.
3. Always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. There is absolutely no point in talking to the shills or anyone that comes up to you in the street. Be civil, but keep walking. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddhaland, but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble). There are trike drivers waiting for customers outside all the bar areas and hotels. They are reliable so there is no need to keep one after he has dropped you off at your 1st Perimeter bar destination. And again, I have never had a problem of any kind walking back to ABC or the Lewis Grand around midnight and there is no problem period in the daytime. Late at night, I usually leave it up to the girl. Some like to walk, some are hungry and want to stop off for some tasty BBQ chicken to take back to the hotel room, and others want to take a trike.
Have a great time in AC. Despite what the doomsayers post, I know you will.
Hi All,
The hotel also can arrange the transfer from my hotel in Manila to Angeles at Php 2700, is this advisable or I take the Bus at phippine rabbit to dau station?
MD.There is a thread at the bottom of the Philippines Forum page that discusses transportation between Manila Airport and AC. If this is your first time, then I too recommend the hotel service for pick-up. They will meet you in the terminal and have a car waiting for you, vice you waiting 30-60 minutes for a taxi to take you to a bus terminal. But if you are leaving AC for a Hotel in Manila, you should look into taking one of the private busses that go from hotel to hotel as they are a LOT cheaper and do not take much longer. If you become a veteran, then the local bus from station to station is the most economical but may be a pain if you have lots of luggage to cram in a trike.
While you are "below the line" check out the thread on DateInAsia, as well. PHP 6000 is way above asking price. Then you will probably have to wait on her to show up, and who knows what you will actually get (ladyboy, googly-eyed, Jollibee butt and gut? You can probably get the very same girl for 1/3 to 1/2 the price if you find out where she is working.
Mr Enternational
09-25-16, 15:37
Just finalize my booking at Central Park tower resort, this is nearer to field avenur but I want to also go to Perimeter road, although it seems not far but worry of walking there at night and as the cautioned I receieved from the hotel staff, that they don't. Recomend me to walk at night at perimeter road. But after reading here, I think I want to give candy bar a visit, so any brothers can give me more insight if the location I choose of my hotel is right? The hotel staff say that their hotel is located right at the center of the entertaiment district. By the way, how far is the walking streeet from my said hotel?Dude. You are overthinking this shit. I guarantee that when you get there you will try walking to or back from Perimeter. I usually walk there then since I am lazy and drunk after (plus it is dark and you can not see shit) I take a trike back. I would say it is more dangerous to cross Sukhumvit than to walk to Perimeter. And it is not far at all. Plus once you get to the area of Perimeter you will have to walk from bar to bar anyway.
And Central Park is half a block to Walking Street (which is not big at all either).
Before I had ever been to AC I asked my fraternity brother how it was. He described it as being just like Pattaya but 1/50 of the size.
Needed to go from NAIA to AC and back 6 or 7 times this past April, May, Aug and earlier this month. I mostly used the Public buses. Read some mention of the Philippine Rabbit, It may still have that route but you may be waiting a while. Lately would recommend the Five Star or Victory in Pasay City, they seem to make the route most frequently. You need to be specific to the NAIA taxi to each station as they are in the same general area and though technically within walking distance of each other its not such a wise area to be hauling your stuff around. The evening after the Davao bombing it took the taxi 90+ minutes to get from terminal 3 to the Pasay bus terminal, that was the longest short taxi ride of my life.
The cost is P149 so its pretty cheap. If the bus isn't full they look for stragglers along the route to EDSA which slows down the process.
Lately Dau was not been the AC destination to look for exclusively. Also look for a small MARQUEE or MARQUEE MALL sign lower closer to the driver in the window which stops at the newly burgeoning Bus station right off the EDSA in AC near city hall. I have no patience for waiting in terminals and the Marquee bus usually arrived before any bus stopping in Dau so I took it mostly. The trike ride is a little longer than from Dau. They also have a long special Jeep which frequently makes a route from Marquee to Dau via the EDSA and ends up in SM Clark terminal during mall hours if you don't have much gear I took that just once and it cost I think 16 pesos or 20 pesos?
On the way back I think Dau is still the place to catch the bus. The Marquee seems to be a northerly bound stop. Returning to Manila make sure to verify the Bus will go all the way to the Pasay terminal. Twice I was the last person on the bus and we were near Roxas Blvd close to Mall of Asia and they let me out in the middle of the street where it was a 'term for female dog' finding a taxi. Was that allowed? Jeez it was hard to complete that phrase.
The last Pasay to AC bus I took, all the buses were flooding the Marquee terminal which is really built to handle Jeeps and it was a zoo but I managed to find a trike pretty quick luckily. I don't know if this is a temporary situation or if the routes are shifting.
WestCoast1
09-25-16, 18:30
There is a thread at the bottom of the Philippines Forum page that discusses transportation between Manila Airport and AC. If this is your first time, then I too recommend the hotel service for pick-up. They will meet you in the terminal and have a car waiting for you, vice you waiting 30-60 minutes for a taxi to take you to a bus terminal. But if you are leaving AC for a Hotel in Manila, you should look into tak
3. Always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location.
Dude. You are overthinking this shit. Spot on. MD, if you have specific questions, please hit me or other board regulars in PM.
Gents, stop feeding the troll. Macho the is probably a nice guy, but look at what he is asking, and look how we are responding. He is a previous phils visitor with a bad history on this board (taking without giving). He asks oodles of questions (and for advices). His last 23 posts going back to March 2015 are phils posts of questions, without much in the way of any solid FR's (some pics) after his visits. Both Pete and Natty's kind response (Always keep your eyes and ears open) are longer than all of Macho's descriptive FR's combined. MD is hitting the minutia, and we are enabling him.
MD: Stop worrying. Go have fun. Report back your highs and lows (hotel details, girlie bar details, girlie details, restaurant experiences, transportation experiences, other experiences, expectations vs reality, etc).
IllusionHeart
09-25-16, 19:15
I propose that a new forum be created called NapaSlapper's AC Forum. Anybody want to second this motion?+1. Good suggestion Natty.
Member #4558
09-25-16, 19:18
Gents, stop feeding the troll. Macho the is probably a nice guy, but look at what he is asking, and look how we are responding. He is a previous phils visitor with a bad history on this board (taking without giving). He asks oodles of questions (and for advices). His last 23 posts going back to March 2015 are phils posts of questions, without much in the way of any solid FR's (some pics) after his visits. Both Pete and Natty's kind response (Always keep your eyes and ears open) are longer than all of Macho's descriptive FR's combined. MD is hitting the minutia, and we are enabling him.Totally agree Westie. Since I am only a regular member myself at the moment (used to be senior BM myself under different handle) I try to go more easy on Senior Members at least 1 time. MD is of best manager class and one time I am to blame to answer one of his first questions (which I regret). Questions answered or any recommendations only leads to a set of new questions from this sort of Manager class people. They only take take and take and gives nothing with little or no interest in actually try read a bit in dedicated threads. And being this afraid as MD can't be any fun.
BrainDrain
09-25-16, 22:34
6. The girls enjoyed being taken out during the day for lunch / dinner, the mall for window shopping or to just hang out with the customer at the pool. There was less emphasis on sex during the dayI assume you are speaking from the perspective of the bar girl, as opposed to the monger whom would be bored with the above.
Big Johnson2
09-25-16, 22:46
I'd like to work from the Philippines. Initially from Angeles City. Where can I get fast stable internet service, if I had an apartment? What affordable for a long term stay have fast stable internet? What Mbps can I expect?
Thanks for your help.
Engine Driver
09-25-16, 23:33
I assume you are speaking from the perspective of the bar girl, as opposed to the monger whom would be bored with the above.Very true. The conversation will be very basic for sure, but I actually enjoyed it. We went to the mall, watched a movie and had a meal. How often do I get to date a pretty girl in my home country? It was certainly low stress. Obviously YMMV.
When I fly into manila on my way to Angeles, I usually take a taxi from the airport to the Rabbit Bus Terminal near Binondo. I don't know if this is the same bus station Pantot is talking about. Its the only Philippine Rabbit station I've ever seen. From there I take the bus to Dau. This is not only more direct as you're going straight north rather than circling around via EDSA, there is usually much less traffic on this route. Bus cost is about the same, around 150, but you have to take a taxi to the Rabbit Bus Terminal, which will cost you probably 200 or 250 from the airport. Well worth it in my opinion. Faster and less traffic. You can find the terminal on Google Maps, just search for "Philippine Rabbit Bus Station" right next to the "Odeon Terminal Mall" Good luck. Have Fun.
Needed to go from NAIA to AC and back 6 or 7 times this past April, May, Aug and earlier this month. I mostly used the Public buses. Read some mention of the Philippine Rabbit, It may still have that route but you may be waiting a while. Lately would recommend the Five Star or Victory in Pasay City, they seem to make the route most frequently. You need to be specific to the NAIA taxi to each station as they are in the same general area and though technically within walking distance of each other its not such a wise area to be hauling your stuff around. The evening after the Davao bombing it took the taxi 90+ minutes to get from terminal 3 to the Pasay bus terminal, that was the longest short taxi ride of my life.
GoodEnough
09-26-16, 02:02
I'd like to work from the Philippines. Initially from Angeles City. Where can I get fast stable internet service, if I had an apartment? What affordable for a long term stay have fast stable internet? What Mbps can I expect?
Thanks for your help.The fastest Internet service I've found here is offered by SkyCable which has "up to" 50 Mbps. I don't know if it's available in Angeles, but that should be easy enough to find out.
GE.
Totally agree Westie. Since I am only a regular member myself at the moment (used to be senior BM myself under different handle) I try to go more easy on Senior Members at least 1 time. MD is of best manager class and one time I am to blame to answer one of his first questions (which I regret). Questions answered or any recommendations only leads to a set of new questions from this sort of Manager class people. They only take take and take and gives nothing with little or no interest in actually try read a bit in dedicated threads. And being this afraid as MD can't be any fun.
Spot on. MD, if you have specific questions, please hit me or other board regulars in PM.
Gents, stop feeding the troll. Macho the is probably a nice guy, but look at what he is asking, and look how we are responding. He is a previous phils visitor with a bad history on this board (taking without giving). He asks oodles of questions (and for advices). His last 23 posts going back to March 2015 are phils posts of questions, without much in the way of any solid FR's (some pics) after his visits. Both Pete and Natty's kind response (Always keep your eyes and ears open) are longer than all of Macho's descriptive FR's combined. MD is hitting the minutia, and we are enabling him.
MD: Stop worrying. Go have fun. Report back your highs and lows (hotel details, girlie bar details, girlie details, restaurant experiences, transportation experiences, other experiences, expectations vs reality, etc).
Vitaplex, Westie,
I hope you have a more geneorus way in replying to someone querries, nevertheless, this forum was set on this principle, in case you feel annoyed with someone asking, may be hesistate in answering will make a better way.
I respect you're being the veteran in the Philippine forum, but if you look into mine post or others, somehow, someway we also contributed. Yes, Westie is right, I once asking some informations but I was not able to materiaze my visit to AC due to some issues of some uncertainty at the last minutes. sorry for that. In fact this time I am chossing Central Park it should also credited to westie's advise of his experience in staying that said hotel.
Yes, I am not frequent to the Philippines as you guys are, but I hope I am not only gathered some info but also try to provide report as long as I been in that place. You may look back some of my contribution in my old posting. I am not as what you guys saying I am just asking and not contributing, I guess, you don't. have such right to pinpoint this or that since all of us are just the same and not the board administrator. In case you feel you don't want to answer my questions, or details or assistance I am asking then may be just keep quite will make all of us feeling better.
This forum is set for everyone to ask and of coarse to contribute in case he has been there. But not neccessary that all planing trip will be done as planed, and that is my answer why I am not able to reply something since as I said at the end I did not push thru on my said plan.
Surely, I will report back and contribute as I used to do but I never judge anyone asking, since I don't. have that right to pinpoint or demand as what I want and what I think. For me, even just in case I am the veteran on certain place, I will just keep quite and just let thing going.
No personal here, but I do hope if you feel I am not your likes, just send me PM.
Thanks anyway, westie, I always been admiring all your post specially at the photo galery, I am sure you know the Philippines very well than the actual filipino, and I thank you for the past info you given to me specially I am booking on the same hotel you stayed.
Just my first time to this city and specially with recent news about the peace and order, so I want to ask as much as I can. In fact the hotel stuff have been sending me some guidelines too, that is how I learned so dangerous to walk to perimeter at night. Sorry, I may be more cautious than you guys whom is an adventurers in nature.
Sorry, if my asking let you feel uncofmrotable and sorry if I mistaken your meaning. You can Pm me and I will answered you back.
Cheers,
MD.
I'd like to work from the Philippines. Initially from Angeles City. Where can I get fast stable internet service, if I had an apartment? What affordable for a long term stay have fast stable internet? What Mbps can I expect?
Thanks for your help.Good grief. I looked at the last 20 or so postings of yours. All are questions. Once a person answers the first question, up pops another one from you. There is an invasion from 'The Continent' (as one poster refers to your country).
Please be advised I am the current, self appointed, honorary President of the "Manager Resistance" group. Manager meaning 'from the Continent' as once explained by a Senior member, on here.
You guys are starting to spoil the Philippines forum. There is no answer to it I suppose, other than ignore your never ending questions. The answers to which are quite often on the Forum already.
Myself, I am going to place you guys on the Ignore List, once identified as belonging to the 'Manager class'. Hope others do likewise, then you might go away. Doubt it, but at least I don't have to read the stuff anymore.
Wow, 8 absolute stunning girls in candy bar that could quiet easily work on Burgos st Manila.
I was at the opening of candy bar some 8-9 years ago, I have very often popped my head in there over the years with only last weekend the last time.
It would be fair to say that over my many many visits I have never seen a stunning girl in candy bar ever, have never even seen a girl pretty enough to buy a drink for there.
Just goes to show that what is one mans absolute stunner might be most other guys no thank you even for free.
Anyways glad you had a great time there, keep happy.You don't know what you're talking about re: AC, spouting careless observations.
Absolutely correct Fastpiston, not only every restaurant that comes up for sale is bought by a Korean but every bar too, have never seen so many Koreans in one place outside of Korea.
The guys that claim otherwise or that Koreans are not top dog have obviously never visited or have a monetary reason to claim such.
You are also correct in saying that the only bars that offer the old school western experience and have western customers are the bars in central perimeter road.
But lets be honest, The girls in these bars like Thai Hi etc have got to be some of the oldest, ugliest bar girls not only in Angeles but in the whole of the Phills, some are down right scary.
Fully agree that it won't be long before Angeles is fully owned by the Koreans, sad but so so true.
Anyways enjoy your trip Fastpiston.Probably the best dining option on Fields proper. Again, you are spouting conjecture about the future of AC and posting shows ignorance of the present.
You don't know what you're talking about re: AC, spouting careless observations.Even Macho Dik is heading for Candy Bar, LOL. MD: Trike to front door enter, exiting Candy, call out aloud "trike trike" , Candy staff will call out too, to assist. Trike arrives, you hop in. Do not recommend a nervous looking newcomer to walk around Perimeter. And do not go there at night. Finish biz by 6 pm. Stick to Walking St first 2/3 trips until you get the 'smell' of the place. Anyway, they have in the past, crept up from behind and shot the foreigners in the back of the head. You won't know its coming, that's the good part.
Seems I have shot myself in the foot, promoting Candy. Will I get a seat there next time? Don't forget guys my eyesight has deteriorated massively in recent weeks, hence dogs look like stunners, LOL. Hope I get a seat now that I have explained that.
Received an interesting PM from a Senior Member. Looks like a certain AC dissenter might be an 'Agent'. Apparently he has been trashing AC for a very long time and has next to nil or no 'happy' reports of any place / s in Phils. Agent?
Who cares, fuck them, go ahead and enjoy yourselves lads.
Absolutely correct Fastpiston, not only every restaurant that comes up for sale is bought by a Korean but every bar too, have never seen so many Koreans in one place outside of Korea.
The guys that claim otherwise or that Koreans are not top dog have obviously never visited or have a monetary reason to claim such.
You are also correct in saying that the only bars that offer the old school western experience and have western customers are the bars in central perimeter road.
But lets be honest, The girls in these bars like Thai Hi etc have got to be some of the oldest, ugliest bar girls not only in Angeles but in the whole of the Phills, some are down right scary.
Fully agree that it won't be long before Angeles is fully owned by the Koreans, sad but so so true.
Anyways enjoy your trip Fastpiston.This I partly agree with and I was on the ground doing my AC thing for the longest trip ever spent there, like 12 days, way too long.
In a few years Fields will be like going to a funky little Korean town. I will say this in their defense, most K bars do not steer their dancers towards K / J only clients.
Here are a few bars I liked, Arcadia had a nice happy selection of day dancers but the night crew were rather bland. The Popcon Bar in the little alley had some nice items for 2500 peso, all friendly to the western monger. There were a few others I popped into but full of Ks and no place to sit. I did hit the deeper bars on the Perimeter that are now all K. LIA had zero talent, Roadies I could feel the negative anti western vibe while viewing the dancers. I saw one little hottie that was avoiding eye contact so I asked the waitress to have her come down. I watch as the waitress goes up on the stage to tell this little beauty the weird old guy wants to buy her her a drink. What does this little cutie do? Haha, she makes a mad dash for the door to the street. Haha, that was a first! She ran right off the stage and out the door. Besides that there was heavy K preference from most ladies. I did see 2 that were smiling at me and they were worthy of pulling down but I soon left. I thought about returning for those 2 but the vibe was a turn off. Then there is After School which is nowhere near as good as it used to be a few years ago. Only worth a cold beer and nothing more.
My best action came from The Ice Bar (1600 pesos) and then The Fire Pit which are probably western bars. The Perimeter bars spoiled me and so I was a little too picky when it came to the Fields Ave 3000 peso BFs. In general I felt I could BF 95% of the dancers in the bars but that might be a little too optimistic a number. AC is an awesome place and as long as all cummers are welcome then I'll return.
All mongers have a different opinion because they have different needs and come we come in different shapes and sizes. I guess there are a few smelly ones too so this is where the anti AC sentiment emanates from and creates the haters.
My system of mongering is perfect for AC but I have come to realize I need to return to the gym ASAP. My days in AC kicked my ass thoroughly and ended up in recovery mode my last 3 days in the PI. A big loss to spend your last nights alone in the hotel room.
Without a doubt beau knew that the money was on granddaddy's nuts that is why she scurried under that BJ table faster than a starving squirrel! Bar girls will bypass the busters and go straight to the money every time, their survival depends on it. Bar girls only ignore past customers if they were bad for business. It is not only about the amount of money the guy pays, the girls take a pass on mongers who proved to be high maintenance in the past or were particularly distasteful to service.The first point, BGs would rather make money under a blow job table is just in your negative imagination. If you were correct all BGs would want a blow job table in their bars. So that proves your clever (but false) point wrong. The BGs do want the money, so why would they do w / out a blow job table as the one in the Candy Bar? It is because they don't like the blow job table no matter the money to be made. But you did get to exercise your cleverness w / the blow job table crack so congrats to you. Bravo.
Second point of which I agree w /. The BGs have a choice and when they know a customer's habits they might not want to repeat w / them. That would be the same in any service business, whether to accept repeat business.
As for my connection w / BGs, most want to repeat and I am very demanding and I fuck them long and hard. On top of this I take dozens of pics during the fucking and sucking. This absolutely cost me some repeat sessions but only w / a very few, the majority want more and they don't care about my demands. I treat them like angels and show my appreciation for their work. I think the BG in the Candy Bar is quite brainless and did what she was asked to do. No thought about options entered her mind.
So your quote above is typical of most of your sermons. You are more interested in being clever than correct. Some guys follow your every word and hopefully a few will have doubts based on what their own eyes and ears tell them on the ground in mongerland.
Engine Driver
09-26-16, 07:04
Probably the best dining option on Fields proper. Again, you are spouting conjecture about the future of AC and posting shows ignorance of the present.+1.
Compared to what currently passes for "food" at Kokomos, Phillies and Margarita Station, Korean restaurants would be a most welcome option. At least the food (and kimchi) will be tasty. Just got to remember to brush my teeth before DFKing a chick!
Chocha Monger
09-26-16, 08:56
There are certain guys showing up in AC with a budget of 12 USD per day with plans to set up their lairs in roach infested motels and fuck the girls for free. Does anyone seriously think that this class of sex tourist is going to sustain the sex tourism industry in AC? Americans, Aussies, Brits, and Germans are no longer willing to get into bar ownership after the period of intense raids. Bars are risky businesses with a lot of hidden overhead like protection payments and bribes. Gone are the days when old retirees arrived in AC and used their entire nest egg to buy or open up a bar.
Restaurants have a high failure rate and low profit margin. They are probably worse business endeavors than bars as it is no easy task to please such a diverse mixture of palates from North America, Asia, Europe, and Australia. Success in the restaurant business will heavily depend on Filipino staff notorious for providing terrible customer service.
So, with Westerners cashing out of the AC Entertainment District it would have died without the influx of Koreans and their new money. This should be seen as something positive as many an Aussie, Brit, and American paid the ultimate price for maintaining the pussy supply line that the Koreans and Japanese enjoyed in the past before opening their own bars, some of those Western bar owners are still languishing in Flip dungeons. And, I don't see any mongers on the board volunteering to pick up the flag and keep Western-style bars open. Instead of complaining about the Koreans taking over why not band together and invest in Western-style bars? It is quite easy to do using GoFundMe and similar sites. Is anyone willing to be the point man on this and take one for the team?
The Koreans are taking all the risks now, so it is expected that they will tailor things to suit themselves. Will this mean increased prices and short-time only? Most likely! The 12-dollar guys will lament the loss of their lairs when the Koreans acquire these properties and raze them to construct more upscale accommodations. This may actually lower rates at the better hotels in AC as room capacity expands in that class.
The Korean won is keeping AC alive, so get used to paying more money to drill the same bar girls once instead of all night long and learn to love kimchi and rice. Dial back the Viagra and turn up the karaoke machine. If you cannot adjust to change then cash in your 401 K, buy a bar in AC and run it your way. Will the Koreans suffer the same fate as the Japanese who flooded into AC in the 1980's with tons of yen? Only time will tell. In the meanwhile practice shooting your load in 5 minutes or less and giving the girls a blue note and a nice pat on the butt as they exit your hotel room.
NapaSlapper
09-26-16, 14:55
You don't know what you're talking about re: AC, spouting careless observations.Careless observations? Putting down the bottle might be a good idea.
Not sure what part of all guys have different likes and views you do not understand.
Am in Angeles tomorrow, will make a point of calling into candy bar and write a full review, care to join me porker? Maybe you can advise me on my observations.
Wicked Roger
09-26-16, 15:53
Long time back some asked if they knew where Lewis was and the thread / comments went dead.
This article I was sent to me today says little more than many know but hints at dark deeds but thought I would share. Nice comment about the PNP as well LOL.
http://www.fabbaloo.com/blog/2016/9/13/3d-print-entrepreneur-disappears-in-the-philippines
Am sure those living there or who go there a lot (I am not a fan of AC as some of you know) will / may know more.
Just FYI gents.
NapaSlapper
09-26-16, 16:00
Just to let would be visitors to Korean owned bars that all are 100% welcome and made to feel at home by the owners / managers, westerners money is just as good as Korean.
Through my Angeles business I socializing with many Korean clients and find them both generous and warm.
My observations were merely stating that with every trip to Angeles there seem to be even more Koreans in general, they seem to be buying up more property definitely have an eye for a good looking lady and do very well indeed with them.
I never sweat if a girl prefers a certain nationality guy to me, its her choice and she is free to make it with no pressure.
Wicked Roger
09-26-16, 17:34
Good grief. I looked at the last 20 or so postings of yours. All are questions. Once a person answers the first question, up pops another one from you. There is an invasion from 'The Continent' (as one poster refers to your country).
Please be advised I am the current, self appointed, honorary President of the "Manager Resistance" group. Manager meaning 'from the Continent' as once explained by a Senior member, on here..I do that on the UAE board. Pointing out the managers. And am called a racist LO.
His FR history for 2016 is 4 questions but his FR history long term is all questions and no real information.
BigJ2 - get a life and take your hand off your dodger and use both to RTFF and the advanced search option. Try Google? GE was very gracious others are not and I agree with Sxxx that the creeping manager class is getting tedious.
Well, here I am in Angeles again.
This trip so far has been pretty good. Although it is low season, every bar has at least 2-3 stunners. I've made a couple of rules for myself to maximize my enjoyment. Unfortunately it involves spending a bit more up front. I definitely know it saves me both time and money in the long run. First, I'm always going to sit up front, so close I can smell the sweat from the shuffling pussies. This helps with girls that may be interested in you and a way to engage with them without buying them drinks. If she is talkative and friendly up front, a drink is a good choice to follow up with. 2nd thing is shortly after sitting down, just pick a girl that seems to have a good attitude, this includes waitresses. Tell her you just want to chit chat with her and milk her for info. Girls like to see customers that spend money. Just the way it works. Being that guy that just sits there by himself doesn't get you the stunners. I've noticed many girls will appreciate the drink with no barfine potential just to get a break from dancing. One of the common complaints I hear from every bar girl is how there feet hurt from shuffling all day long.
Side Note, it is slow season.
I was in Tropix around 4:00 pm and asked when does there 2nd shift start and the waitress told me it was slow season and they only have 1 shift now. The selection was not so great.
This bar never lets me down. The sheer number of girls in this place is amazing. Even in the low season they have tons of girls available. At 12 midnight they probably still had 100 girls. Whatever your preference they will have. Some of the stunners are runners and that's why its good to talk to the waitresses or massage girls. One of the massage girls recommended me her friend who was absolutely gorgeous. If I had the energy I would have taken her. But I guess I'll save that for another night when I'm fully rested with thrusting power to the max. I ended up with a girl that just had the cheeriest personalty. More average on the looks and at 27 years of age. I choose this particular girl because she was very talkative and I had just landed from a long flight. I was pretty sure I was too tired to perform and wanted a girl experienced in giving BJ's. She was experienced and helped me get the release I needed to sleep like a baby. She stayed all night and until noon. She offered some morning fun, but I declined as I knew ponytails was open and wanted another girl. I treated her well so my hope is that she'll get back to Atlantis and tell her friends, making it easier for me to barfine the next girl. Its not that I've had trouble, its just that the girls attitude really changes when they know you'll treat them well. This is especially important if you are looking for those new low mileage girls fresh from the provinces.
Just to let would be visitors to Korean owned bars that all are 100% welcome and made to feel at home by the owners / managers, westerners money is just as good as Korean.
Through my Angeles business I socializing with many Korean clients and find them both generous and warm.
My observations were merely stating that with every trip to Angeles there seem to be even more Koreans in general, they seem to be buying up more property definitely have an eye for a good looking lady and do very well indeed with them.
I never sweat if a girl prefers a certain nationality guy to me, its her choice and she is free to make it with no pressure.I was only agreeing w / you on the huge changes taking place in AC. Out of several bars I went into I did not feel I had zero chance of tabling a dancer but tabling and taking out are 2 different things.
There is an Asian preference w / many of the prettiest dancers and that's just a fact. This could be in either a western or Korean bar. I like all ethnicity and I'm glad everyone seems to be having a good time.
I spent a lot of people watching time on Fields and I did not notice many real pretty ladies w / westerners. As stated before, they were either walking alone, w / friends or w / Asians. I think I saw 2 Caucasians w / what I would consider stunners.
Either in the bars or on the streets. I have no reason to state otherwise, I only report what I see.
Many hot pinays love the K culture and some do not. I was fortunate enough to hook up w / a few real nice items but not the very best AC has to offer.
Another point is that these stunners are problematic w / too many rules and no personality, they just have their looks. So I was very happy for the most part. I was in agreement w / you for once and you still didn't get it. LOL. Strange indeed.
NapaSlapper
09-27-16, 02:05
I was only agreeing w / you on the huge changes taking place in AC. Out of several bars I went into I did not feel I had zero chance of tabling a dancer but tabling and taking out are 2 different things.
There is an Asian preference w / many of the prettiest dancers and that's just a fact. This could be in either a western or Korean bar. I like all ethnicity and I'm glad everyone seems to be having a good time.
I spent a lot of people watching time on Fields and I did not notice many real pretty ladies w / westerners. As stated before, they were either walking alone, w / friends or w / Asians. I think I saw 2 Caucasians w / what I would consider stunners.
Either in the bars or on the streets. I have no reason to state otherwise, I only report what I see.
Many hot pinays love the K culture and some do not. I was fortunate enough to hook up w / a few real nice items but not the very best AC has to offer.
Another point is that these stunners are problematic w / too many rules and no personality, they just have their looks. So I was very happy for the most part. I was in agreement w / you for once and you still didn't get it. LOL. Strange indeed.I fully got that you were in agreement with me LOL, maybe its my style of writing that confuses you.
What I will add to your post is that as I have said I socialise with many Koreans in the bars on business, although girls scream in delight at their entry and jump to sit next to them soon as they see them, they still face the same problems of the top girls giving excuses not to barfine.
The nice thing with the Koreans is they stay very humble and pleasant when refused, most of their enjoyment is spent in the bar impressing their fellow friends with who can spend the most.
I have come to accept that unlike with the westerners the Koreans can quite easily leave empty handed and still claim to have had a great night.
Ponytails has always been my favorite bar.
They have a filipino dude as the dance teacher. It pretty amusing seeing him dance in the corner and all the girls on stage following along. It is definitely a great idea though.
The waitress also told me that next year ponytails will be moving closer to walking street. Apparently their lease is coming up and the owner wants the bar closer to the action. Makes me a little sad though. Part of ponytail's charm was the fact that it was a little further away but not to far.
WestCoast1
09-27-16, 13:56
Missing AC a bit. The things I have to put up with when I'm there. Sheesh.
Missing AC a bit. The things I have to put up with when I'm there. Sheesh.Good, we need someone like Westie to visit and rejuvenate Angeles.
Will speak to the Mayor and make sure Westie gets keys to the city. He seems to have keys to everything else, LOL.
More Angeles positivity, more Westier AC. Yes!
Careless observations? Putting down the bottle might be a good idea.
Not sure what part of all guys have different likes and views you do not understand.
Am in Angeles tomorrow, will make a point of calling into candy bar and write a full review, care to join me porker? Maybe you can advise me on my observations.Thanks for the invitation, this month isn't one of the 50+ that I have been in AC in the last decade.
And Please do report about your casual drop in to Candy. Then feel free to pontificate about how your brief visit means its legion of fans are somehow settling for the dregs of AC.
WestCoast1
09-28-16, 03:14
He seems to have keys to everything else, LOL.
More Angeles positivity, more Westier AC. Yes!Well I *do* give it the old college try. Someday I'll be successful.
Well I *do* give it the old college try. Someday I'll be successful.The stretch limo will be at the airport waiting for you Westie.
I've left AC. My opinion of AC hasn't changed much. There were just as many girls, plenty of hot ones, fat ones, ugly ones, skinny ones. Even I was rejected. I found a girl just my type at Atlantis. Despite being a handsome asian american, who took another girl before, got a good review, a thumbs up from the waitress and even staying at ABC. The girl I wanted to barfine was on the menstruation. Happens to the best of us.
Engine Driver
09-29-16, 07:05
One of things I admire about Pinays is their beautiful, long black hair. Imagine my disappointment when I get to AC and more than half of the BGs have dyed their hair some shade of blonde. Why do they go for such a slutty look? To imitate K-pop princesses?
Any other punters like the blonde look on a Pinay?
One of things I admire about Pinays is their beautiful, long black hair. Imagine my disappointment when I get to AC and more than half of the BGs have dyed their hair some shade of blonde. Why do they go for such a slutty look? To imitate K-pop princesses?
Any other punters like the blonde look on a Pinay?At times I love the slutty look, whether she is a blonde or not.
Slutty K-girl look brings flash backs to orgasmic times 20 years ago in California KMP.
Any other punters like the blonde look on a Pinay?In most cases it just looks ridiculous but it's all the rage in Japan also. Like blue contact lenses & fake dental braces, this too shall pass LOL.
I've have started writing notes during my hunts in the bars, restaurants, anywhere a thought comes to me that I want to remember.
Here's Notes # 1 on AC. These a 2 weeks old. Maybe they can be useful to someone here.
Gossip's bouncer Richard.
First night is Fri an bars, *DH, ok, *Alantis, *hard t tell.
Nemesis ave lookers, *bar 7, *no doable. *Lot of peeps on Fields and lots of FLs maybe.
The spinner waitress in Gossips is awesome.
Next day.
Candy Bar, *good selection at 12 pm 6 GS w nice be cups.
My choice couldn't leave, *spinner w big tits, *said pussy sore. *I'll return in 2 days. *.
Old guy w 3 ladies one under table, *the 2 other two sucking his 80 yr old tits.
Ice house Julie, *mama Layla. Ice House is easily the best Perimeter bar this trip.
Fire Pit some decent an better, *crowded at 6 pm on Wednesday.
3 shifts of dancers, first at 1 pm, 2nd at 2 pm and 3rd shift starts at 3 pm.
Spotlight dance at 6 pm, (pretty lame).
Oddy says, *Ks are boring, Oddy works in FP and is very well spoken Filipino. I took her for a spin before I left.
All in all I took many more Perimeter ladies than Fields women, most from the Ice Bar.
Atlantis plays rock w shows some nice stuff dancing.
Dragon hit an miss, *tonight 9/14 a few*very hot dancers out of 30 on stage.
Not many customers.
One stunner (kind of hiding) does not smile for long time.
She eventually ended up in the front row of dancers and her friends made her laugh. Turns out she's missing a tooth in front. Now that changed her whole look, *otherwise she looks like movie star.
Never come here in Sept, *too much rain.
One really hot Perimeter BG told me this story. (This lady was a very sexy spinner. After my 2nd time w / her she had sponsor meet her in Manila, unfortunately never saw her again. I hear she's at Insomnia now).
My girl last night (mentioned above) told me about BG game playing. *A customer w / 2 BFs in tow then BFs her (he has 2 girls w him from other bars). She said he BF her too but when they leave other BGs talk shit and want to see everything that happens, meaning these 2 prior BFs have to see what each one was doing all the time, including watching each other fuck the customer. *The customer takes my lady for private fuck in the CR so they can't talk shit. *Turns out this makes it much worse for her (my lady) w other 2 BGs really pissed about not seeing them fuck in bathroom.
She says its all bola bola to be BG. *She have many other job offers (reg jobs) but she can't make decent money. *She wants husband but she falls in love only to get broken heart, over and over. *.
She is suing K bar for unfair treatment an w holding her money because phony sneak out accusation. *She says BGs get treated very bad in AC. (she lost K complaint suit).
A lot of big dicks here wrecking the tight AC girls. (Observation because of lack of tight pussies).
Later in the day on Fields I see beggar boy an he needs money for food. *I tell him in hour, *I'm smoking pipe at Red Sea and people watching.
He keeps coming back but I tell him at 1 pm we talk. *At 12:45 he comes at stands near by. *I tell him come here to my table an sit. *he starts to sit where he stands, *on the floor, *I say no, *sit at my table.
Sidenote, don't help these beggars because they will not leave you alone if you show any kindness in most cases.
Aria at Arcadia in daytime.
Arcadia is great in daytime, *door girl Jen.
When in a rock band early 70's you went to hollywood to see what you were made of. *I realize AC is similar if you think you're a stud. *How long will your dick hold up. *For me in my 60's I am facing the truth about what I have to offer again but I'm a solo act now. (On this trip my age started to kick in, fucking 2, 3 times a day is not as easy as it was on the last trip. Answer? Exercise.).
So *AC is showing me what I am capable of now. With so many hot pussies here and my dick is starting to fatigue. *Its*maybe I am just too hungry an will return to sex prison soon.
And then w a few hours of rest I'm ready for more and got all I could handle last night. *Went out w regular, *a bi lady (hot one mentioned above, she loves pussy too) and we found perfect addition at Popcorn bar. *Sexy w nice big ones my lady loved sucking while #2 rode me in buble bath jacuzzi. *This was new for me, *I've never used jacuzzi properly until last night. *Later while fucking #1 I had # 2 put on black stockings and red panties. *When she was done she rode my face while # 1 rode my cock. *The whole session lasted an hour w fave sleeping over night. *It was a milestone for me. *Two nice tight pussies to fuck, *very nice indeed. *.
Today I see the little waif and she is also a top fuck. *I haven't had a bad fuck yet in 10 days of AC. *A mix of tight bodies an soft bellies, *very little baby damage on my plate yet. *Most have been super fucks who know how to climb my pole and kiss passionately while doing it. *Throw in some sexy moaning an we have a perfect world. **This is why I have canceled my 3 day trip to Subic. *There is no end of quality pussy here in AC. *Everyday I meet a couple of new ones for future wrestling matches an bubble baths. *If I lived here I'the be dead in a few months, *dying w a smile on my face isn't so bad a thought. *But I want another 1000 of these BGs so I'll just visit for the foreseeable future. Forced abstinence will save me from a certain heart attack. *.
Sidenote # 1 (for guys like me).
When out drinking and recurring pussy I always save some pp for after the BB. *I never empty my bladder when close to the action. *It just feels right to do this to clear urinary tract. *Probably not much effect after a hour of fucking but still for me it makes sense to do. All during fucking hours I never emptied my bladder, only just to comfort level.
Sidenote # 2.
I learned about ice beer in freaking hot Udon Thani, Thailand. *It does 2 things I like.
1. *The beer is ice cold till the bottom of the glass.
2. *As the ice melts it makes SMLs even lighter an so I don't get that full feeling. *This is especially good for outdoor cafes. *Its very common in northern Thailand. *They use beer mugs an place a big bucket of ice nearby. *The waiters come an check your ice level an fill every 5 minutes. *Its good. *Drinking it now at Red Sea Restaurant on Fields Ave.
The music you hear everywhere in AC is my biggest criticism of the entertainment zone. *They've been playing the same narrow minded ghetto rap an cheesy Filipino music for all of my trips since 2009. *Its maddening. *I'm thinking about wearing my Bose noise reduction headphones w music because what I've been hearing is so incessantly lame. *Its like a baby crying on a airplane, *fucking drives me fucking crazy. *People here are so fucking square and they're missing out on so much but reality here makes my point irrelevant. *They only care about money an customers. *Incessant begging / vendors would be my number 2 complaint. *Today has been void of beggars so far, *very few for some unknown reason.
The Sept weather has been on the cool side but I do enjoy a sunny day at the pool. *There's been rain everyday, *at times very heavy.
The Ks are getting the hottest lookers on Fields, *just saw a real killer walk by w K. *This town will soon by 80% K in a couple of yrs. *Right now its got to be 60% K everywhere I go, *more on each visit.
At Popcorn they even have stupid K TV shows on the monitor while ladies dance. *These K guys on the tube looked like dolls too. *Pretty f-ing disgusting from my end. *Many BGs think so too.
What a world.
Just finished my 2 iced brews at the Red Cafe an will change some $ at 47 + I hope. *Cold beer at the bottom of the glass. *Its good.
Going to get hair dyed, *250 p but Ponytails is air con rest stop and a good one at that. *I have a favorite Ill keep secret, *some pretty faces w no tit but that's nature for you, but yes*some very pretty faces w beautiful long soft looking hair.
Done there and stop by the Brass Knob. *The BGs have sexy black bikinis but it's Jolibees all the way home if you take here. *Still analyzing as I type. *But yes if you like them slightly thick an soft this is a good spot today.
Back to brew, *55 p brew 😀.
I read on many boards how punters never patronize bars or bar fine but fuck, *how can you be so cheap as to not come in here for a 55 peso brew and give the bars business? *I occasionally rip those guys, *the bars are the core of everything AC. *.
Tonight, *w waif.
SOS at Doll House except a little hard music played. *Women from Jolibees w no tits.
Then Crystal pal where most are flat on average at 3000 p, *a couple of stuck up hot ones.
Dragon bar playing K videos, *only whitey here w my Filipino date.
Sent from my iPhone.
Azmodeus Fl
09-29-16, 14:42
I agree with the blonde thing not being attractive (You are not Anime characters) and let's look at the skin bleaching. Being lighter skinned stems from an old social standard where darker skin meant you were a field worker and light skin means you are rich. I myself view pale skinned people and being not healthy. If you come from a race of darker skinned people and you are pale the there is something wrong with you to be so pale. Also make up so thick that when you have a picture taken you look like you are wearing a mask. Bottom line go natural.
Member #4698
09-29-16, 16:51
I've have started writing notes during my hunts in the bars, restaurants, anywhere a thought comes to me that I want to remember. Here's Notes on AC.
... *DH, ok, *Alantis, *hard t tell .... Nemesis ave lookers, *bar 7, *no doable. .... The spinner waitress in Gossips is awesome. ... Candy Bar, *good selection at 12 pm 6 GS w nice be cups..... Ice house Julie, *mama Layla. Ice House is easily the best Perimeter bar this trip. Fire Pit some decent an better, *crowded at 6 pm on Wednesday.... All in all I took many more Perimeter ladies than Fields women, most from the Ice Bar.... ... Dragon hit an miss, *tonight 9/14 a few*very hot dancers out of 30 on stage. Not many customers. ... Arcadia is great in daytime
So *AC is showing me what I am capable of now. With so many hot pussies here and my dick is starting to fatigue. *Its*maybe I am just too hungry an will return to sex prison soon. And then w a few hours of rest I'm ready for more and got all I could handle last night. *Went out w regular, *a bi lady (hot one mentioned above, she loves pussy too) and we found perfect addition at Popcorn bar. *Sexy w nice big ones my lady loved sucking while #2 rode me in buble bath jacuzzi. *This was new for me, *I've never used jacuzzi properly until last night. *Later while fucking #1 I had # 2 put on black stockings and red panties. *When she was done she rode my face while # 1 rode my cock. *The whole session lasted an hour w fave sleeping over night. *It was a milestone for me. *Two nice tight pussies to fuck, *very nice indeed. *.
... *I haven't had a bad fuck yet in 10 days of AC. *A mix of tight bodies an soft bellies, *very little baby damage on my plate yet. *Most have been super fucks who know how to climb my pole and kiss passionately while doing it. *Throw in some sexy moaning an we have a perfect world. **This is why I have canceled my 3 day trip to Subic. *There is no end of quality pussy here in AC. *Everyday I meet a couple of new ones for future wrestling matches an bubble baths. *If I lived here I'the be dead in a few months, *dying w a smile on my face isn't so bad a thought. *But I want another 1000 of these BGs so I'll just visit for the foreseeable future. Forced abstinence will save me from a certain heart attack. *.Great Stream of Consciousness Report, Socker. I hope you don't mind my editing.
I have a few quick comments:
1. I too am getting into threesomes more and more. I love my two Burgos girls. I now feel two girls are better than one when they are friends and can work together. I am taking my two little minx to Port Barton, Palawan when I return to the PI. It should be a gas.
2. I, being around the same age as you, find myself asking more and more if a girl is gisum worthy before I take her back to the loom for the first time. In this way nature has forced me to be more selective. LOL. And I rarely do CIM anymore. I can't spare my precious bodily fluids on the antipasto course.
3. Your AC trip must have been a lot of fun since you decided to cancel Subic. I know you like Subic, so do I. Its a smaller, more relaxed community with some real friendly girls.
4. I know you have pretty good taste in girls so I am glad to hear that there is still plenty of quality to be had in AC. AC always had a wide variety from the sublime to the scary. Prices keep going higher, but that is the same everywhere.
So stay thirsty my friend and keep on truckin'. 555.
NB.
Great Stream of Consciousness Report, Socker. I hope you don't mind my editing.
I have a few quick comments:
1. I too am getting into threesomes more and more. I love my two Burgos girls. I now feel two girls are better than one when they are friends and can work together. I am taking my two little minx to Port Barton, Palawan when I return to the PI. It should be a gas.
2. I, being around the same age as you, find myself asking more and more if a girl is gisum worthy before I take her back to the loom for the first time. In this way nature has forced me to be more selective. LOL. And I rarely do CIM anymore. I can't spare my precious bodily fluids on the antipasto course.
3. Your AC trip must have been a lot of fun since you decided to cancel Subic. I know you like Subic, so do I. Its a smaller, more relaxed community with some real friendly girls.
4. I know you have pretty good taste in girls so I am glad to hear that there is still plenty of quality to be had in AC. AC always had a wide variety from the sublime to the scary. Prices keep going higher, but that is the same everywhere.
So stay thirsty my friend and keep on truckin'. 555.
NB.Your inbox is full. Clear some room bro.
The Ks are getting the hottest lookers on Fields, *just saw a real killer walk by w K. *This town will soon by 80% K in a couple of yrs. *Right now its got to be 60% K everywhere I go, *more on each visit.
The lookers could be from K town on the other end of Perimeter.
Don't forget Arabs / Middle eastern folk, they are a growing demograph thanks to EK.
The lookers could be from K town on the other end of Perimeter.
Don't forget Arabs / Middle eastern folk, they are a growing demograph thanks to EK.Yes I know but the Koreans are the ones that are buying up whatever is available and operating new businesses. I would guess the bars are mostly owned by Ks and I have no problem as long as all ethnicities are treated equally. Hell if it wasn't for the Ks the town would be empty. My hotel was full of Asians so the hotels love their presence and so should all as long as it does not get unfriendly. OTOH I don't see a lot of mixing w / mongers from different parts of the world. They all tend to stick w / their own countrymen.
I spent a lot of time in K bars and they are fine but I did noticed more K culture to lead the proceedings such as TV monitors w / Korean entertainment shows w / the music from these shows blaring throughout the bar. For me I don't like that but it is what it is. The bars are theirs to do w / as they please. I'll suffer through the phony TV shows and silly noise they emit to bar fine a hottie. On my next trip some ear buds w / my own music might be the way to go.
Change is change and it always goes w / a little controversy. So Fields Ave will be more like going to Korea than the Philippines in the not too distant future. The Ks need the westerners now but how about later? Is more intense change in store for the western tourist?
They (are building an 8 story hotel right at the Walking Street entrance sign. Huge changes are moving very fast and so where will it all end up? Time will tell.
As for Arabs and Malaysians they seem nice enough and I think the ladies are fine w / them too. I spent a few hours a day at the Red Sea Restaurant on Fields so I made friends w / a few Arabs. They got a kick out of me showing up everyday w / a new BG. When I came in alone they would look at me like, "what happened? No girl for you today? We always had nice exchanges and laughs.
In Makati I also frequent Arabian restaurants and smoke the shisha on Burgos St and some nights it's just magical. I have fallen in love w / middle eastern music so sitting there watching the street zoo and the beautiful melodic Arabian music blaring over the area is something I love.
Getting back to AC though I hope I'm always welcome. I had a stellar time this trip w / the AC BGs. I'll post another long set of notes later. Maybe some pics too.
Best.
I agree with the blonde thing not being attractive (You are not Anime characters) and let's look at the skin bleaching. Being lighter skinned stems from an old social standard where darker skin meant you were a field worker and light skin means you are rich. I myself view pale skinned people and being not healthy. If you come from a race of darker skinned people and you are pale the there is something wrong with you to be so pale. Also make up so thick that when you have a picture taken you look like you are wearing a mask. Bottom line go natural.Young people follow fads. I'm sure you did things in your youth your parents thought were odd. RP has an out of control birth rate (take s bow Catholic Church), its demographically a youth culture. Young folks do goofy things for fashion. Looking down at a peroxide head bobbing up & down on my titi does appear a little odd but still feels great 😋.
The lookers could be from K town on the other end of Perimeter.
Don't forget Arabs / Middle eastern folk, they are a growing demograph thanks to EK.Gents, it was a seedy red light district for US servicemen & locals on the other side of the chain link fence. When the base closed locals, westerners & East Asians kept it going. As world wide tourism increased bigger bars appeared followed by bigger hotels. The advent of the mega hotels was the rubicon. Large numbers flooded in from all nationalities. Chinese, Japanese & Koreans have a strong presence here for generations. Wealthy Pinoys & East Asians have long had the contacts to procure stuff that would give you priapism 😍.
These days the gentleman from the sub continent are now punting in rapidly increasing numbers. The day will come when streets are lined with signs in Punjabi. But the girly bars will still be full of little brown single mothers from dirt poor families selling their companionship.
Chill.
Gents, it was a seedy red light district for US servicemen & locals on the other side of the chain link fence. When the base closed locals, westerners & East Asians kept it going. As world wide tourism increased bigger bars appeared followed by bigger hotels. The advent of the mega hotels was the rubicon. Large numbers flooded in from all nationalities. Chinese, Japanese & Koreans have a strong presence here for generations. Wealthy Pinoys & East Asians have long had the contacts to procure stuff that would give you priapism 😍.
These days the gentleman from the sub continent are now punting in rapidly increasing numbers. The day will come when streets are lined with signs in Punjabi. But the girly bars will still be full of little brown single mothers from dirt poor families selling their companionship.
Chill.Nobody's griping just stating facts so I don't know why the need to tell your fellow BMs to chill. How about you chill w / the single moms. How about an actual field report? That would be a nice change from you.
OK, so for those in trouble AC. That is, finding it hard.
I am not finding it easy, but I am not finding it as bad as some guys seem to be.
Answer? Use your imagination, innovate. Doing biz same old way viz: "You do anal, you see. I. m" etc doesn't make the cut nowadays. Groping them as soon as they arrive at your table, etc. All this stuff is so yesterday. You do not have to kiss their ass, but you do have to change your approach, modus operandi, these days.
I do not have all the answers of course, but I find it interesting, experimenting with different approaches. Find out one that suits you. Don't just sit there with a pot belly, drinking beer, thinking how hard it is nowadays. Do something about the problem, LOL.
Western World man will always be in AC and will always be important. Those much talked about "other guys", can not survive, catering for their nationality only. They can not, they will not. The bar owner at Vikings is one of "them" , and makes money. Yet his customers are predominantly Western World. He is the future, not the Mickey Mouse investors trying to cater for their nationality only.
Hope I am right, LOL.
Engine Driver
09-30-16, 21:03
I only had the energy to bang nine birds on my last trip to Makati / PG / AC due to my advancing years and libido drop. I made a note of the condition of all of the pussies I encountered and here are the stats:
6 x shaved pussies with some stubble.
1 x shaved pussy with no stubble.
1 x beautifully manicured landing strip. It was a work of art.
1 x full Bush (she said she hated the itch from shaving).
I think Mr Gillette will continue to have a viable business in AC. The girls aren't generally aware of waxing down there. I did notice some of the beauty salons cum massage shops in AC provided a waxing service. I believe this is mainly for male tourists who might get the urge for a back, crack and sack wax.
To avoid any unpleasant surprises when I DATY, I purchased a bottle of pH feminine wash at the convenience store and placed it in the shower. Every single BG/massage girl knew what to do with it. There was no need to explain anything. A couple of girls wanted to swipe the packet of panty liners from the mini bar. I said they could have it if they paid for it. That killed the conversation real quick.
Engine Driver
09-30-16, 21:28
OK, so for those in trouble AC. That is, finding it hard.
I am not finding it easy, but I am not finding it as bad as some guys seem to be.
Answer? Use your imagination, innovate. Doing biz same old way viz: "You do anal, you see. I. m" etc doesn't make the cut nowadays. Groping them as soon as they arrive at your table, etc. All this stuff is so yesterday. You do not have to kiss their ass, but you do have to change your approach, modus operandi, these days.
This is a very good post Sir! I respect your experience and knowledge. On my last trip to AC, I too was in trouble initially. Not from rejections or discrimination, but from disillusionment due to being scammed and short changed by so many people. One of veterans on this board kindly advised me that AC was not just about going into Atlantis and bar fining the hottest chick there. I took this advice on board and started to look for opportunities elsewhere and was open to offers. This then led me to meet massage girls, MILFs and also took me out to the Perimeter bars. Normally I wouldn't have done this. I left AC with a smile.
My observation with the Walking Street / Fields Avenue / Perimeter Road cocoon is that every single person has in some way been corrupted by the negative influence of the sex industry. Its like a cancer that has permeated all levels of society there and peoples' loyalty only lies with the holy blue note. I'm talking about the cashier at the convenience store, the girl that loads your SIM card, the restaurant waitress at Kokomos, the girl who is giving you a foot scrub and the lady who is washing your shirts. Almost every single person is up for it, despite their initial passive demeanour. There is no point in being shy in AC as you are not going to offend anyone. The prospect of a date with a Westerner who treats them to a good time might be like a holiday for many of these workers from the provinces.
NapaSlapper
10-01-16, 10:39
1. Get a copy of Wayne's AC Map. Google it.
2. Most Perimeter Road Bars are primarily afternoon bars. Technically I believe Perimeter Road begins at the Jeepney Terminal or Checkpoint Charlie. Therefore Pony Tails and ABC Hotel are on Perimeter Road. There is no danger walking from Fields to ABC or Lewis Grand. I have done so at midnight alone and with girls and never encountered a problem. During the day, again, there is no problem walking from say the Lewis to the Candy Bar area although it is hot and if you are walking more than 3 or 4 blocks in this heat you will be sweaty by the time you reach your destination which is not a good idea if your are planning on picking up a girl, so my advice is take the hotel shuttle, if available, or a friendly trike to Perimeter especially if you are going out to the Lost in Asia / Clarkton Hotel area..With all due respect natty, by your own admission in recent post you have not visited Angeles city since 2014 so how are you qualified to give an opinion on something as important as punters walking around perimeter road and maybe taking their life / safety in their hands.
The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.
My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.
Guys, take extreme care in this area, do not walk, take a very cheap jeepney, trike or hotel car if one insists on bar hopping on perimeter road, it might just save your life for a few pesos.
Natty, clear your inbox, have sent you private mail.
With all due respect natty, by your own admission in recent post you have not visited Angeles city since 2014 so how are you qualified to give an opinion on something as important as punters walking around perimeter road and maybe taking their life / safety in their hands.
The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.
My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.
Guys, take extreme care in this area, do not walk, take a very cheap jeepney, trike or hotel car if one insists on bar hopping on perimeter road, it might just save your life for a few pesos.
Natty, clear your inbox, have sent you private mail.I'm no tough guy but I would walk the whole road from LGH to LIA in the daytime. I wouldn't walk on PR after dark but from LGH to the Candy Bar (a couple of blocks) might not be so bad. For me the Perimeter is a daytime only playground so I have no desire to snoop around the PR bars after dark. But thinking about it now, all the BFs that come out of Perimeter bars probably return after 6 pm so my method of not going there after dark might not be a good strategy. I think the Perimeter bars close around 10 pm to midnight and it's got to be slim pickens but I could be wrong. Still I would trike it on the Perimeter after dark. NS, we agree again.
Member #4698
10-01-16, 21:43
The whole of perimeter road is dangerous, that not me saying so that is official statistics saying so, if you care to do some research you will find government statistics of many foreigners having been robbed, shot, murdered on perimeter road.
My own British friend Mr Paul Raymond Atkins was murdered in broad daylight right on perimeter road for just a very old mobile worth about $10,right in the area you are claiming is totally safe to walk in, they came up from behind, shot first and robbed later, that's the type of people that are on the streets of Angeles.
There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was very sorry to hear about this tragedy when it occurred in 2011, although I am still not sure where on Perimeter it occurred. And I do not mean to minimize his loss, but since 2011, I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. Snip. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble). " I stand by that statement.
You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.
There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was ..........................................Mr Bumpo,
Tried to send top secret inside info re shooting to you, but alas your inbox is full.
I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble).
You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.When posters start quoting government statistics about areas many of us have visited countless times and have first hand reports, well. This might be a clue to ignore such advice. When posters do so incessantly, the ignore feature is quite a nice option.
I have been visiting and staying in the perimeter area hotels for years. These places offer no local car service nor do virtually any budget hotels. Never encountered a problem walking the Main drag from Fields to past Petron to the lower priced bars as far as Fire Pit. Of course hug the sidewalks as much as you can, and walk briskly with a purpose as with anywhere in the 3rd world. Have had much more issues in the Money changer to Fields gauntlet than the Jeep terminal to Candy bar area trips. Never had a problems taking the M Gate. F. Ship jeep which costs a mere 7 pesos and is constantly in motion. Can't imagine waiting for a hotel car for my every whim and notion regarding food, bars etc. For me the whole Fields- SM Clark is in walking / jeep range and almost free providing the weather is not too brutal heatwise.
Sure if you are a first time visitor and very risk averse then follow those rules that the cautious advise.
For me the main rules would be avoid the side streets off the beaten path that don't contain hotels and / or are poorly lit completely. The perimeter bars past Sunset Garden close at midnite so avoid that area after that time as there is nothing else there anyway. Past the Fire Pit there isn't anything of value after dark until you get to the Korean town so no need to go there anyway by foot.
The main road of the perimeter, Don Juico is no more unsafe than any other monger area. The road from Emotions past the nursery to Petron is pretty well lit and I never had any worries walking it or taking the Jeep.
Leaving Manila and next stop to AC. Been with two nights straight sex and one night rest, oh I am getting old! LOL! As planned will be staying at Central Park Tower and trasfer by a private car at php 2700! Take Westie advise for more convenient than taking the private bus with luggage. Mix feeling what would be turn out tonight? Don't know which bar should I visited first and hope could find a girl better than those two girls of LAC which only the pussy that passionate me than their looks.
I wonder if business associate hear I went to AC will that be immediately associated I was there for mongering than business? Soon to meet them after few days stay in AC.
After AC, Burgos will be my final leg of this trip.
By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.
Cheers,
MD.
NapaSlapper
10-02-16, 02:08
There is no question that the murder of Mr. Atkins was a heinous crime. I was very sorry to hear about this tragedy when it occurred in 2011, although I am still not sure where on Perimeter it occurred. And I do not mean to minimize his loss, but since 2011, I have been to AC on numerous occasions as have a good number of my friends all without incident, so I am not sure why you want to bring this up now. I originally advised MD to "always keep your eyes and ears open and be aware what's going on around you in your proximate location. Snip. AC and Manila are definitely not as safe as Buddha Land (Thailand), but they are not particularly dangerous if one exercises some street smarts and does not go off the main drag looking for adventure (trouble). " I stand by that statement.
You, on the other hand, seem to be on a personal jihad to bad rap AC. In all of your 272 posts you never miss an opportunity to denigrate the place. You don't like it here. We all get that. So where do you like it. PLEASE enlighten us all.Natty, your exact use of words to a newbie asking for advice was, I never had a problem of any kind walking back to ABC or the Lewis Grand around midnight and there is no problem period in the daytime.
There you go, you are clearly stating there is no problem period walking on perimeter road and as I say the official statistics say you are completely wrong to guarantee ones safety.
As has been said, you have not walked the streets of angeles for some years so in all honesty do not have a clue as to how dangerous they are now, your dangerous and wrong advice could potentially cost someone his life, as I say google is your friend, there are robberies / murders on perimeter every year, even this year a korean lost his life on perimeter, shot in the head.
Most guys that have lost their lives on perimeter were seasoned visitors or foreign residents so the advice to not walk perimeter road applies to all, but each to their own risk level and stupidity I guess.
I not suggesting anyone not visit perimeter road, just to take the relevant precautions like taking transport there and not walking, not sure why so many find this advice so hard to accept.
NapaSlapper
10-02-16, 02:24
Leaving Manila and next stop to AC. Been with two nights straight sex and one night rest, oh I am getting old! LOL! As planned will be staying at Central Park Tower and trasfer by a private car at php 2700! Take Westie advise for more convenient than taking the private bus with luggage. Mix feeling what would be turn out tonight? Don't know which bar should I visited first and hope could find a girl better than those two girls of LAC which only the pussy that passionate me than their looks.
I wonder if business associate hear I went to AC will that be immediately associated I was there for mongering than business? Soon to meet them after few days stay in AC.
After AC, Burgos will be my final leg of this trip.
By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.
Cheers,
MD.Most perimeter road bars are all girls one price.
Fields avenue bigger bars tend to have tiered bar fine based on the girls looks.
There is no such thing as a long time price and a short time price, all prices are meant to be for long time but most better looking girls run after the 1st pop.
Have a great trip.
WestCoast1
10-02-16, 03:19
By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.The barfine amount is set by each bar, not the bargirl.
Engine Driver
10-02-16, 04:12
By the way, when you guys doing Bar fine at field avenue or perimeter road, will the price varies among the BG? Or you have to ask first how much and if this is for LT or ST? Hope get some info from you as I will be there tonight.
MD.The bar fines at Fields Avenue bars are around 3,000 PHP. Some will vary from this. This is all inclusive and unlike in Manila or BKK, there is no need to pay the girl a separate fee. You may of course give the girl a tip at your discretion. The bar fines at the Perimeter bars (from Eruptions at mid-Perimeter through to Drill Shack on the far Perimeter) are between 1500 - 2000 PHP. Sometimes you will pay the fee to the mamasan and sometimes you will give the money to the girl. The girl will not get changed into street clothes until the money has been paid.
The bar fine at the night time bars is meant to be for LT (I. E. The girl leaves in the morning), but as has been discussed extensively before, many of the girls will leave at around 2. 00 am after 1-pop. They will cite a number of totally unbelievable reasons. There is nothing you can do about it. Just let her go and if your cock still needs more attention, go out on the prowl again and collect another girl. It's no big deal.
Many of the Perimeter bars are day time bars, opening around 12.00 noon. If you bar fine a girl there, the understanding is that you will release her at around 9. 00 pm so she can go home. Obviously, as with anything in AC, everything can be negotiated.
When you enter a bar, the girl on stage might make eye contact with you or the waitress might invite you to select a girl. When you bring the lady down to the seat next to you, buy her a lady drink and commence the interview process. This is when you negotiate the services she will offer and the time she will leave. Confirm that she is not on her period. Of course she can change her mind on anything she agreed to once she is in your room. Remember to tip the waitress.
If the girl says to you "may be you go with my friend", then take that as a no. Don't push it further. This response means any or all of the following:
1. I don't like you.
2. I'm on my period.
3. I've been barfined enough this week / month and I can't be bothered.
Please let us know how you go!
Dear my brothers here for your most valuable advise. I am on my way to AC, ridding the private car from Pacific breeze at php 2700. The driver William has a good English. Hope I have a lot of energy for those pussy out there. I heard that those waitresses at the bar can also be bar fine? Once have BF a waitresses in Pataya and I found them much better tons those wearing bikinis on the stage.
May be better to barfine a girl along those club in perimeter and after they leaving by 10 pm then go to pick up girls in field ave. At least if they left by one or two early morning then still will be 2 pops at the end? LOL.
Wish me luck and I reported later.
Cheers,
MD.
Engine Driver
10-02-16, 06:55
May be better to barfine a girl along those club in perimeter and after they leaving by 10 pm then go to pick up girls in field ave. At least if they left by one or two early morning then still will be 2 pops at the end? LOL.
Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. But be prepared to be interrupted along the way by all manner of people offering a better option. In AC, be flexible and go with whatever comes your way.
You can bar fine the door girl, waitress and even the mamasan, if that is your thing. Some waitresses are hot.
I arrived my hotel Central Park tower and taking a long walk all the way to Lewis grand, but don't see any candy bar club only saw hide, emotion or eruption, not sure if bar is open or close except if there is some girls in the front door.
It seems not as what I expected like in Nep in Bangkok? Or perhaps I am too early? But see some Korean has cute girls going into the elvator and some holding out going out, presume those girls should either their permanent or from the afternoon bar?
FredBratten
10-02-16, 07:51
Hi,
Thanks for the info here. It has been of great help on my two past trips to AC, in 2014 and 2015 (as I live quite far away). However, I am going back again in December for two weeks.
My usual "way of working" has been to go out to Fields at appx. 19:00-20:00 in the evening and either barfine early (with a designated bar in mind) or barhop and barfine late. I enjoy long time and have always asked for this from the girls I meet. On my first trip I had one runner and on my second trip I think this increased to three, albeit I stayed for three times as many days. If they run I take it for what it is and don't mind it too much. The rest of them which deliver, more than make it up for me. I usually tend to "write off" runners on my poor interviewing skills and rather reward the performers with tips and / or food, drinks etc.
On this trip I want to make two changes to my daily routine:
1. On some nights I might go for short time and try two girls, instead of doing the same girls twice. I know, it is a luxury problem and I am struggling to decide.
2. I want to explore the Perimeter Bars. This brings me to the intention of this post;.
- What is the best time to go out to the Perimeter Bars?
- For how long does the girls, usually, stay?
- Which of the bars are the best?
- Is it safe to walk at Perimeter after 22:00?
The longest I have been into Perimeter is Eruptions, where I barfined and enjoyed a lovely girl last year.
Thanks in advance, ISG!
The barfine amount is set by each bar, not the bargirl.Have to admire the chutzpah of someone to arrive in AC and only then start asking RTFM questions. Just sayin'.
Oh please. The AC system is rather unique and prices vary greatly from one end of the street to the other, not to mention bar to bar. I highly respect someone who comes and wings it and learns the ropes. Some of the most informed members at ISG are people who visited before the Internet existed.
Not naming names, but I have a lot more loathing for members who pontificate, yet never add a meaningful picture nor field report.
Anyway, great so see you are back in PI AV. How is the boat? When are you leaving?
Have to admire the chutzpah of someone to arrive in AC and only then start asking RTFM questions. Just sayin'.
The bar fines at Fields Avenue bars are around 3,000 PHP. Some will vary from this. This is all inclusive and unlike in Manila or BKK, there is no need to pay the girl a separate fee. You may of course give the girl a tip at your discretion. The bar fines at the Perimeter bars (from Eruptions at mid-Perimeter through to Drill Shack on the far Perimeter) are between 1500 - 2000 PHP. Sometimes you will pay the fee to the mamasan and sometimes you will give the money to the girl. The girl will not get changed into street clothes until the money has been paid.
The bar fine at the night time bars is meant to be for LT (I. E. The girl leaves in the morning), but as has been discussed extensively before, many of the girls will leave at around 2. 00 am after 1-pop. They will cite a number of totally unbelievable reasons. There is nothing you can do about it. Just let her go and if your cock still needs more attention, go out on the prowl again and collect another girl. It's no big deal.
Many of the Perimeter bars are day time bars, opening around 12.00 noon. If you bar fine a girl there, the understanding is that you will release her at around 9. 00 pm so she can go home. Obviously, as with anything in AC, everything can be negotiated.
When you enter a bar, the girl on stage might make eye contact with you or the waitress might invite you to select a girl. When you bring the lady down to the seat next to you, buy her a lady drink and commence the interview process. This is when you negotiate the services she will offer and the time she will leave. Confirm that she is not on her period. Of course she can change her mind on anything she agreed to once she is in your room. Remember to tip the waitress.
If the girl says to you "may be you go with my friend", then take that as a no. Don't push it further. This response means any or all of the following:
1. I don't like you.
2. I'm on my period.
3. I've been barfined enough this week / month and I can't be bothered.
Please let us know how you go!Good advice. To add to this there is no sure fire way to have a guaranteed good time in AC. Individual experiences vary. Take good with the bad. There are plenty of girls to go around. If you are not watching your pennies you will have a good time. AC although comparatively inexpensive still need to spend to have a good time. Gone are the days when you barfine, no tip, girl stays with you till morning, gives you as many pops you like, totally GFE etc. Even though I visit AC for a couple days (old habits never die) rarely barfine anybody. Usually I will have a dating site girl with me. But for adult Disneyland AC fits the bill. No age barrier, sex rules, do not feel out of place.
By contrast Thai girls generally do fulfill their obligations once you barfine them in my opinion.
Mr Enternational
10-02-16, 14:41
I arrived my hotel Central Park tower and taking a long walk all the way to Lewis grand, but don't see any candy bar club only saw hide, emotion or eruption, not sure if bar is open or close except if there is some girls in the front door.You didn't walk far enough. Those bars are a bit past Lewis Grand. Search for one of the AC bar maps.
WestCoast1
10-02-16, 15:47
I heard that those waitresses at the bar can also be bar fine? SNIP
At least if they left by one or two early morning then still will be 2 pops at the end? LOL.MD: The answers to your questions are available thru RTTF. I have answered many of your questions in PM (assuming you would stop asking them on the open board). Just go experience the place for yourself.
On occasion, a good Board Member here will tell me (or others) to stop stifling the newbs who ask questions. This is what you get: he is somehow ADHD, and every question that goes thru his head must come out of his mouth (or pen / keyboard). He will want answers (on the open board) to every question he has, and he will ask them 1-2 at a time as they go thru his head, for weeks. How will I get to AC? How much will it cost? How much is the barfine? Do I have to tip the girl? How many bars are there? Is it like Patts? Do I have to buy the girl a drink? Do the girls do anal? Do they demand condom? Will the sidewalk be cement or asphault? Will the Filipina belly buttons be inny? Outty? Will it rain on Wednesday between 4 - 4:30 pm? Will fairies fly out of my ass and sing when I cum? The answer to all those questions is: "Yes".
Member #4698
10-02-16, 17:45
I kind of have to agree with you Westie. I had advised the BM to get a copy of Wayne's AC Map before he arrived in AC and if he had bothered to do so he would have known that Candy Bar and Ice Bar were just a couple of blocks past the Lewis. I also warned him about the quality in MBC before he arrived in Manila. Oh well, some guys have to learn from experience. I do not find him that objectionable since he is paying it forward with his own trip reports. He will learn and be a part of the community I hope.
Now on a totally different and much more serious matter: it seems we have a troll lurking on the forum whose only reason for being here is to trash AC and ruin this forum as an informational source on things AC. I tried communicating with him in a PM format and he accused me of being "a serial positive angeles poster" with "a vested interest to post what "{I} do {that} suits {my} pockets " and furthermore with "{my} photos that many have questioned by pm to {him} as not being yours{meaning mine} only copied and pasted".
HA HA. This guy is out of his mind. I would love to know who PM'd this idiot and suggested I had a financial stake in any business concern in the PI let alone AC, but I know he is just making this stuff up. And I would also really like to know who questioned the authenticity of my photos. What photos? I have not posted pics of my girls in the public forum for a long, long time because I don't like camouflaging their faces to hide their identities since it is the face that is the most important feature I look at when I check out a girl. Yet at the same time, I realize the importance of protecting my girl's identities. Its is a problem I have addressed several times in the past because I would like very much to post pictures of my girls. Some of my girls look really outstanding. I do, however, exchange in private many unobscured, untouched photos of my girls with ISG friends that I trust. Of course the troll would not know this. He is clueless.
But then the troll goes on to write, thinking he is making some clever disparaging point, "I always argue and say nah if one wanted to copy and paste at least they would choose good looking girls, so as you see many suspect your motives and I have to agree with them". All made up BS. I mean what kind of person makes this shit up in a private one on one PM to another person? A moron for one and a completely dishonest moron for two.
So I had my doubts about this guy for a long time since everyone of his posts since coming on the forum in his present identity is a bad rap on AC and he posts about nowhere else. Now after lying and making things up about me in a PM to me, I can only come to the conclusion that this troll is either out of his mind siting in his mama's basement typing posts to this forum in his underpants or he is a darker character working for some NGO or Church outfit. It is funny how he came on the forum at about the same time the Reverend McCobb was getting kicked off. He has the same repetitive message.
Finally in a PM I asked this guy to tell me where else he had mongered and what places he liked since it was clear he disliked AC so much. He wrote back, " thanks for putting me forward for my own forum, I will make you a special member, then maybe you will learn something about angeles, thailand and Jakarta, nearly 2000 posts and not a clue LOL" I then asked him one last time to direct me to only one or two of his posts not on AC and I got nothing back.
I know the general rule is: don't feed the Troll, but in this guy's case, he is more than a troll. His purpose is to discourage BM's from posting reports and to dissuade newbies from checking out AC. At first I suggested he be given his own forum so he could stand alone and be ignored, but after his completely disingenuous PM's to me, I now believe he should be banned from the ISG just like the Reverend. He is not one of us. He is not a monger.
Wicked Roger
10-02-16, 17:59
I know the general rule is: don't feed the Troll, but in this guy's case, he is more than a troll. His purpose is to discourage BM's from posting reports and to dissuade newbies from checking out AC. At first I suggested he be given his own forum so he could stand alone and be ignored, but after his completely disingenuous PM's to me, I now believe he should be banned from the ISG just like the Reverend. He is not one of us. He is not a monger.Perhaps this is Matthew Cobb with a new name LOL.
Westie you are way to kind and generous to mangers like this guy are they plenty on other threads (eg UAE) and mainly get told to RTFF and do some basics before asking so many questions.
As you said NB, you ask for proof and nothing comes back, you call them out then some ie admin say you are abrasive and should not be so unkind. But then a quick check of the troll's FR history clearly points to a troll. So I let Westie be kind etc as he is a nice guy and me I just call them out or ignore (depends what mood am in. Playful / annoying or bored LOL).
As I reached AC as report back earlier and after waking pass Lewis Grand, at first I can not locate the Candy bar of which I suddenly mentioned In my report but not seeking advise which Westie reply with a bit disappointment. Sorry Westie not asking questions in that post. Anyway, so happy some other member have send me PM and even cautioned me to be careful walking there. Thanks!
Anyway, I got my first experience with a BG from the bar next door of candy bar. I just notice this after the girl I am with told me. I BF her php 1600 but she told me straight that she will only stay till 8:30 pm, ok for me as already expected. She give me a good BJ CIM and after few hours later a fuck in her pussy. Ok for her without condom but definitely no way for me. Drained Ana unable to repeat another BF tonight at the waking street.
Been too Atlantis, doll house, lollipop. Initially wanting to go another BF with the lollipop BG but she told me she only go for ST to tonight and promise for an LT tomorrow which I just decline to BF not because of the ST / LT issue but because I was so drained today. Feeling I will not enjoy sex then.
Here is the photo of the perimeter BG of today:
It's been so difficult to upload photo due to slow internet from Globe. Anyway here is some photos of the hotel and I also asked housekeeper to vacate the mini bar;.
Bar fines are set by the bar. I have run in to occasions where the BG has a higher rate than the set rate. Especially if the girl is popular (8.5+) or have regular drinking customers coming in later.
The bars can not make the BG go with you. Get it out of your mind that barfining is as easy as putting money in a vending machine and you are in your way. The K's might point and pay but I am sure they hear the rules later and when they pass out the girl is running home.
WestCoast1
10-02-16, 22:16
So I had my doubts about this guy for a long time since everyone of his posts since coming on the forum in his present identity is a bad rap on AC and he posts about nowhere else. Now after lying and making things up about me in a PM to me, I can only come to the conclusion that this troll is either out of his mind siting in his mama's basement typing posts to this forum in his underpants or he is a darker character working for some NGO or Church outfit. It is funny how he came on the forum at about the same time the Reverend McCobb was getting kicked off. He has the same repetitive message. So lets just ask. Napa, are you affiliated with any NGO, or any non-mongering organization (s)?
Finally in a PM I asked this guy to tell me where else he had mongered and what places he liked since it was clear he disliked AC so much. He wrote back, " thanks for putting me forward for my own forum, I will make you a special member, then maybe you will learn something about angeles, thailand and Jakarta, nearly 2000 posts and not a clue LOL" I then asked him one last time to direct me to only one or two of his posts not on AC and I got nothing back.Natty *does* have a point. So lets just ask. Napa, you are a monger, right? And where have you mongered outside AC?
Postcript: I miss Father Cobb (just a bit).
Been too Atlantis, doll house, lollipop. Initially wanting to go another BF with the lollipop BG but she told me she only go for ST to tonight and promise for an LT tomorrow which I just decline to BF not because of the ST / LT issue but because I was so drained today. Feeling I will not enjoy sex then.
Here is the photo of the perimeter BG of today:Note: all mobile internet in the bar district is usually tragically slow. As soon as you move away from that small area (to other cell towers) speeds go up. If desperate, save up your pics and upload away from the bar district.
Thanks for sharing MD. Nice pics. Enjoy your trip mate 👍.
Note: all mobile internet in the bar district is usually tragically slow. As soon as you move away from that small area (to other cell towers) speeds go up. If desperate, save up your pics and upload away from the bar district.
Thanks for sharing MD. Nice pics. Enjoy your trip mate 👍.Thanks Amavida,
Yes you are right, I was simply can not have any internet connection at the walking street area but I got a faster one when I reached the Jolibee then.
Last night I sleep alone in my big soft bed at my hotel, so sorry for myself not making any BF at all because I was so drained yesterday afternoon with the BG from the perimeter bar. A mistakes? I don't know but I have sleep well last night and planning to BF some prospective in lollipop tonignt or perhaps other bar. But what to do before 6 pm today? Should I have to visit another afternoon bar? What if I find another girl I like? Then drained again? LOL, well as I initially plan one BF for the afternoon ST and one BF for the night is no longer a reality after I reached here, I am really old, can not do it this way now, may be due to the fact that since last week I have almost consecutively with different girls and totally drained me.
Perhaps you guys are young or pergolas you have some technique to enjoy the sex at this limited time.
Cheers,
MD.
Thanks Amavida,
Last night I sleep alone in my big soft bed at my hotel, so sorry for myself not making any BF at all because I was so drained yesterday afternoon with the BG from the perimeter bar.
Perhaps you guys are young or pergolas you have some technique to enjoy the sex at this limited time.
Cheers,
MD.Ha! Ha! MD you realise there is probably about a thousand horny punters reading your happy reports and deeply envious right now? 😋😋😋.
I'm from the 72 hour school. Blow in, have non stop promiscuous sex for 3 days and then be carried to the plane on a stretcher LOL! Viagra + Gatorade essential. Sleep optional but advisable.
Cheers mate.
Ha! Ha! MD you realise there is probably about a thousand horny punters reading your happy reports and deeply envious right now? 😋😋😋.
I'm from the 72 hour school. Blow in, have non stop promiscuous sex for 3 days and then be carried to the plane on a stretcher LOL! Viagra + Gatorade essential. Sleep optional but advisable.
Cheers mate.You were having promiscuous sex? Oh my!! Why not share the details as any worthy BM would do?
I will say you do an excellent job of brown nosing newbiess w / out a clue.
Bravo! Oh, and I won't hold my breath for your field reports.
Ha! Ha! MD you realise there is probably about a thousand horny punters reading your happy reports and deeply envious right now? 😋😋😋.
I'm from the 72 hour school. Blow in, have non stop promiscuous sex for 3 days and then be carried to the plane on a stretcher LOL! Viagra + Gatorade essential. Sleep optional but advisable.
Cheers mate.LOL, incidentally, last night at the walking street a foreign mongers like us have been carried out from Viking by a stretcher to the ambulance parking outside. I suddenly heard from a street vendor shouting oh! That guy just by from him a viagra! May be he was fainted due to being pervert! I look at that street vendors and saying to my self, I better give myself a break that night and it's good I bring my own cialis or else buying fake drug from them may resulted like that guy's fate!
Cheers,
MD.
Engine Driver
10-03-16, 10:26
You will have plenty of time on your hands in AC and it's always a struggle to find stuff to do when you are (a) not banging a girl and (b) not sleeping. Massage is always an option and can kill a couple of hours a day. Here is a list of massage options in AC. This is not exhaustive. As you all know, AC is a morally corrupt bubble, so almost anything can be negotiated. You will not offend anyone by asking.
1. Street Massage Girls.
About 18-months ago, groups of street massage girls wearing coloured scrubs would congregate at about 7. 00 pm just at the entry to Walking Street. Their modus operandi would be to hook a potential punter at the Walking Street entrance before he actually got to the bars. This was kind of smart, but was bad business for the bar owners. So the bar owners drove them away from Walking Street and now they hang out looking for customers outside Phillies Bar and Grill on Fields Avenue. In the process (to attract less attention from bar owners), they've lost the nurses scrubs and just wear normal street clothes. These girls have no massage skills whatsoever. They are just hookers. The "massage fee" is around 300 PHP per hour and this is the price to get the girl into your room. She will give a portion of this initial fee to her pimpette who will be hanging around at the pick up spot. Once in the room, its sex as usual and BBBJ, CIM, FS etc can and will be provided. There's no set fee for the sex. Just negotiate in the 1500 - 2000 PHP range. One massage girl told me she can earn a lot more than a bar girl for a lot less effort. Its ST only, she doesn't need to dance and can go home after she has pulled a couple of tricks a night. These girls aren't subject to the normal weekly "hygiene test", so using a condom would be a good idea.
2. Legitimate Massage.
There are few legitimate massage places in AC. There's a couple on Fields Avenue (one is near the supermarket) and few in the side streets off Fields. These places usually have nice colourful pictures of people being massaged on the front window and there is the ubiquitous hot stone massage picture. The girls inside all wear uniforms and have been trained in proper massage. They will get the punter to don a pair of boxer shorts or will cover the guy with a towel during the massage. There is only a curtain separating each massage cubicle. I have asked for extras and have been refused with a "sorry Sir, we don't do that". Price is around 300 PHP and I usually tip 100 PHP. These girls will also travel to your hotel room. You might be able to coerce some into extras at your room, but it is not guaranteed.
3. Semi Legitimate Massage.
These places provide a good massage service, but extras are always available if you ask. The massage girls are almost always middle aged MILFS and they don't wear uniforms. In the shop, they will provide BBBJ and HJ. At your room, you can ask for anything. The fee for massage will be around 300-400. Just negotiate the rest. An example of this is Star Massage on Fields Avenue. It's in the second bunch of shops down from the jeep terminal (heading towards Walking Street on the left). Every girl here is up for action. There is a smoking hot MILF at Star Massage called Mavi, who also works as a waitress at Eruptions. She might even pass Mr Slapper's taste test. I was going to do her, but just ran out of time. If you like a particular MILF at these type of places, you can also pay the EWR fee to her boss and take her for the day (it's like a bar fine, but equal to 4 massages). It's up to you what you do with her. Just give her a good tip at the end as her boss will keep most of the EWR. I've previously done this with Maricel at Star Massage a couple of times and it was an awesome GFE.
Another example of this type of massage place is Hanna and Grace Massage just down the side street from Phillies Bar. Those MILFs will do anything!
4. Hotel Massage.
All hotels provide a massage service. Sometimes the massage girls works for the hotel as employees and sometimes the hotel will outsource the service and will clip her ticket. Once the girl is in your room, you may ask what else is on the menu. I've never tried a hotel provided massage, so can't comment.
5. Korean Massage.
There are quite a few K-massage places in AC (surprise surprise). They are located in streets off Fields and there is also one near Jollibees. Just look for the Korean writing. Korea Town also has lots of them. I've also seen a few near the upper Perimeter bars. I've never been in one, so can't comment.
Thanks ED for the very brief report and info, surely will try one of it, by the way what is the meaning of EWR? I wish to try mavi, do they stay whole night for me?
Today I went to several bars in perimeter area, eruption, touch of class, det-5 , candy bar. Kind of hussles at candy bar, I have seen some guys was given a blow job at the BJ tables and after they left, I wish to give it a try asking the girl with me if she can do it and she said yes, then ask how much is the payment deal, she said just order double LD then they do it, of coarse I can see those guys give tips or even take BF those girls. So I wonder if it is mandatory that you order double drink for the girl and need to BF them later on? Anyway back on the said hussles, because I cal two girls to sit beside me, one is ok to do the BJ but the other girls doesn't want, well that is ok for me but at the end both girls don't want to do BJ? Crazy but I think that is fine, since I want to reserve some energy for the night.
Cheers,
MD.
Engine Driver
10-03-16, 12:28
Thanks ED for the very brief report and info, surely will try one of it, by the way what is the meaning of EWR? I wish to try mavi, do they stay whole night for me?
MD.EWR = Early work release. Kind of like a bar fine.
For a 38-year old, Mavi is a super hot MILF. You can pay the 1500 PHP EWR at Star Massage and take her. Or you can bar fine her at Eruptions for 2000 PHP plus the mandatory LD. Take your pick. I doubt she will stay all night as she has 3 kids at home, including one to a French father.
Keep up the reports. As AV said, we are all envious of your sexcapade.
WestCoast1
10-03-16, 14:24
Today I went to several bars in perimeter area, eruption, touch of class, det-5 , candy bar. Kind of hussles at candy bar, I have seen some guys was given a blow job at the BJ tables and after they left, I wish to give it a try asking the girl with me if she can do it and she said yes, then ask how much is the payment deal, she said just order double LD then they do it,
Cheers,
MD. Thanks for the continued reports.
by the way what is the meaning of EWR? I wish to try mavi, do they stay whole night for me? So I wonder if it is mandatory that you order double drink for the girl and need to BF them later on?Would it be better to ask these questions of the girl (or the waitress / mama) directly, as opposed to asking serial questions here?
SouthEaster
10-03-16, 20:19
Perhaps I am having a bit of trouble with MD's English, but did he actually say you can get a BJ in the bar for the price of a double ladies drink at Candy Bar? That seems ridiculously cheap. Not to mention that I thought the powers that be (whomever they may be) had all but stamped out sex on premises these days. Anybody else on the ground that could confirm this? Great news if true!
Southeaster.
1. Street Massage Girls.
These girls have no massage skills whatsoever. They are just hookers. The "massage fee" is around 300 PHP per hour and this is the price to get the girl into your room. She will give a portion of this initial fee to her pimpette who will be hanging around at the pick up spot. Once in the room, its sex as usual and BBBJ, CIM, FS etc can and will be provided.
5. Korean Massage.
There are quite a few K-massage places in AC (surprise surprise). They are located in streets off Fields and there is also one near Jollibees. Just look for the Korean writing. Korea Town also has lots of them. I've also seen a few near the upper Perimeter bars. I've never been in one, so can't comment.Good info on the complete post I will add a little more to ED's info.
The SG massage ladies are horrible at massaging and yes sex is on their menu in most cases. When I see a cute one I always stop and chat. Many of the hot ones will only do HJs, the rest will usually do more. For me they are a waste of time but as stated there are some hot ones and they can also be UA.
The main reason for my additional info is I have found one place that provides an exceptional massage service and it's on Fields Ave several doors down from Vikings Bar on that side of the street. It used to be called Rizes and it's K owned. I think the name has changed but it is still the same place. After the hour long 400 peso massage they offer a cup of tea and I think it's the best place.
If you want intensity they offer a body scrub involving steam and cold water. I did this years ago an do not have the courage to do it again but it was fantastic. Here's a pic of the building the the massage place is located in. I did go there a couple of weeks ago and it's still a fantastic way to spend an hour.
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Hi,
Thanks for the info here. It has been of great help on my two past trips to AC, in 2014 and 2015 (as I live quite far away). However, I am going back again in December for two weeks.
My usual "way of working" has been to go out to Fields at appx. 19:00-20:00 in the evening and either barfine early (with a designated bar in mind) or barhop and barfine late. I enjoy long time and have always asked for this from the girls I meet. On my first trip I had one runner and on my second trip I think this increased to three, albeit I stayed for three times as many days. If they run I take it for what it is and don't mind it too much. The rest of them which deliver, more than make it up for me. I usually tend to "write off" runners on my poor interviewing skills and rather reward the performers with tips and / or food, drinks etc.
On this trip I want to make two changes to my daily routine:
1. On some nights I might go for short time and try two girls, instead of doing the same girls twice. I know, it is a luxury problem and I am struggling to decide.
2. I want to explore the Perimeter Bars. This brings me to the intention of this post;.
- What is the best time to go out to the Perimeter Bars?
- For how long does the girls, usually, stay?
- Which of the bars are the best?
- Is it safe to walk at Perimeter after 22:00?
The longest I have been into Perimeter is Eruptions, where I barfined and enjoyed a lovely girl last year.
Thanks in advance, ISG!.
Some perimeter bars open as early as 10 am and most by 12-1 pm so depends on when you wake up.
No bars are best as I've found everyone has different taste. Best to just drop in and take a look and take what catches your eyes.
I would only do a short walk going to bars next door after 22:00 and not long walks as some streets are fairly dark at that time.
Most girls in perimeter are ST girls only. A few might do LT but they are mostly the older / fatter MILFs.
The girls that will go ST are also mostly one shot deals. You can push for 2 shots but don't take too long as they really don't want to stay (hence the ST) . So its usually-- you cum, they go. So about 1 HR to 1. 5 HR is the norm. Most will not stay beyond 2 hrs as they are in a rush to go back to bar to get seconds (or third or 4th or 5th customers).
Hope this helps.
Perhaps I am having a bit of trouble with MD's English, but did he actually say you can get a BJ in the bar for the price of a double ladies drink at Candy Bar? That seems ridiculously cheap. Not to mention that I thought the powers that be (whomever they may be) had all but stamped out sex on premises these days. Anybody else on the ground that could confirm this? Great news if true!
Southeaster.Actually this is what I heard from the lady sitting beside me, I just want to prove it out but later after the second lady I choose decline to do so then it affect the first one whom initially wanted to give me the blow job at the table.
I also need some one to attested on this.
Cheers,
MD.
Last night I was so tired of walking around the walking street and visiting bars but I got in few, La bamba, great place full of nice agogo dancers perform nicely with their dance. I have one catch my eyes and I intend to call her to my seat but I was a bit late as she was already call by the waitresses to the other customers, well that is fine, this is the name of the game. Then back to lollipop to check out some prospective but may be it is too early or perhaps it's Monday so lady come in late, at 8:30 evening the bars only has handful of girls on the stage moving like a zombies so after a drink I move to doll house, I said to myself, fuck! It's my second night here and if I can not find any BG for LT tonight then I won't sleep alone again in my big bed. So use some of the tactic as recommended by some brothers here, a mamasan or she said a supervisor approached me and talking to me nicely, not the usuall mamasan but seems to be an older sister to me so I just invited her a drink and gosh suddenly the waitresses come over and asking also some drink which I nicely turn down (not because I don't want to treat them but worry I only bring some cash and leave the money in my hotel safe) , so to cut the stories short I have over spend about php 2000 but the mamamsan help me talk to the girl and persuade to stay LT with me. The initial is just the best one, naughty and very active but red flag is up, it really because the mamasan pull down her panties and we saw the feminine napkin, but the one with me is just fine too. So, spend a little more and you got the better treatment. Anyway, exchange rate in the currency is good enough if converting to USA dollars now a days and better than what you spend in Bangkok.
As what I saw outside ABC hotel, they put a phrase " you only live once" which I guess will be good enough for us to wiling spending some to fullfilled our plan.
By the way, as I ask mamasan why girls like to choose Korean than any other nationality (of coarse other than Japanese) well the answer is as what some brothers reported before: the 3 threes (php 3,000,3 inch cock and 3 minutes finished) sorry, no intentions to smear any Korean brother here but this is just what they told me and after interviews my girls last night she also confirmed to that. But she like Japanese better as Japanese treat her well and give tips 1000 to 1500 or sometimes up to 2000. Believe or not all depend on you. But I do believe it's true as Japanese guys treat girl nicely.
Cheers,
MD.
Perhaps I am having a bit of trouble with MD's English, but did he actually say you can get a BJ in the bar for the price of a double ladies drink at Candy Bar? That seems ridiculously cheap. Not to mention that I thought the powers that be (whomever they may be) had all but stamped out sex on premises these days. Anybody else on the ground that could confirm this? Great news if true!
Southeaster.Yes he finds difficulty in understanding us, and we find difficulty in understanding what the heck he is trying to say.
I agree a BJ for a double ladies drink is absolutely ridiculous. Girl gets about P100 her share of double= she is BJ-ing for P100 ? No, that's fantasy.
Guys we are doing the girls, the bars, and our hobby, a dis-service continuing to talk about BJ's on bar premises. Such is illegal.
Repeat, such is illegal= a great chance of a Police Raid and closure of said bar. Do not specifically name a bar. Irresponsible if you do. Not helping us enjoy our hobby if you do. Don't forget, sometimes, Mongers are taken to Manila with the girls, for questioning. You want that?
Do not specify a particular bar= do not supply easy info to the enemy, that might lurk within (see Westies post re this).
In simple English: MD, and others, do not name the bar. , if it is involved in illegal activities, such as BJ on the premises. Do not name it! PM maybe, but not publicly.
FredBratten
10-04-16, 06:11
Some perimeter bars open as early as 10 am and most by 12-1 pm so depends on when you wake up.
No bars are best as I've found everyone has different taste. Best to just drop in and take a look and take what catches your eyes.
I would only do a short walk going to bars next door after 22:00 and not long walks as some streets are fairly dark at that time.
Most girls in perimeter are ST girls only. A few might do LT but they are mostly the older / fatter MILFs.
The girls that will go ST are also mostly one shot deals. You can push for 2 shots but don't take too long as they really don't want to stay (hence the ST) . So its usually-- you cum, they go. So about 1 HR to 1. 5 HR is the norm. Most will not stay beyond 2 hrs as they are in a rush to go back to bar to get seconds (or third or 4th or 5th customers).
Hope this helps.Freezone,
This helps and is appreciated. Good to know the "rules" before I play the game but I will try to LT one of the young spinners, if possible!
I will post some field reports when I get there.
Since I have spend extra about 2,000 for drink and tip to Mamasan and waitresses last night. So tonight I will try to ask the girl if she go ST or LT, if she said ST then I will tell her how about extra 1,000 to 2,000 tip to let her stay provided she do good at night and stay till morning.
Experimental trip indeed!
Cheers,
MD.
NapaSlapper
10-04-16, 11:37
Trip report and thoughts.
Always try to avoid trips to the Phills September and October if at all possible because of the constant rain, this trip was no different, heavy rain every day, good news, the Lewis grand limo service is available 24/7 and was an absolute must have to try to stay dry, was upgraded to a suite room by the lovely Marie on reception, yes its a few more dollars to stay at the Lewis but money well spent IMHO.
Perimeter road barhop.
Started off at candy bar, then on to det 5 and headed on up,1 beer in some of the bars, no beers in others due to very few girls on stage, have given perimeter road many tries over the last few years but remain mainly disappointed in the quality of girls in most bars.
Best line up was definitely the Korean owned bars by far, especially After school bar, there were definitely no stunners in here but 2 girls were cute and slim but both were sitting with Korean customers already, they were by far the best looking girls on perimeter road but only just above average IMHO.
So as a round up of perimeter and after visiting at least 10 bars, many bars are very quiet for punters especially the western owned bars, Korean owned bars better looking girls and more customers, who ever claims that Angeles can survive without the Koreans has to be out of their mind.
Fields avenue,
Only hit 2 bars, Atlantis and club Asia, both bars very few western customers, Asians, Malays in both bars, girls are a huge step up in looks here than anything that is working on perimeter road, yes the girls are double the price but oh so better looking, for the guys that claim perimeter road girls could work in either Atlantis or club Asia are dreaming at best.
Did I get laid, yes I did, cultural dancer from Atlantis, have known her a while but she was a cherry girl (virgin) well the good news is she lost her cherry last week to a very high rolling Japanese guy who rumor has it paid her 100,000 pesos, this girl definitely stands out from the crowd, taller, lighter skinned. Toned body about the best Angeles has to offer IMHO, again not a stunner but very attractive indeed, the guys that claim the good looking girls are shit in bed had better reconsider, this girl was willing to try anything, smiled the whole time and was eager to please, total cost including drinks, barfine, tips and some snacks at the hotel 7000 pesos, yes a lot of money but money well spent IMHO.
Summing up of fields avenue, guys are spending big here, there is no other way if one wants to impress the girls and compete with the Asians / Malays, the top girls only sit with guys willing to spend but sitting and fucking are two separate things.
Many many girls are giving excuses not to barfine, it definitely is not easy to get laid especially by the better looking girls, but struck lucky I guess.
Since I have spend extra about 2,000 for drink and tip to Mamasan and waitresses last night.
MD.That's the way to do it MD. Tally ho!
SouthEaster
10-04-16, 17:33
Just adding up MD's MO for a guaranteed LT. Soften them up with 2000 P in drinks. Next night pay 3000 for the BF plus another 1000 in drinks and promise the girl another 2000 if she will stay all night. All in 8000-9000 pesos, you're pushing 200 bucks. I hope you brought a lot of money my man. You're going to need it at this rate!
Southeaster.
Just adding up MD's MO for a guaranteed LT. Soften them up with 2000 P in drinks. Next night pay 3000 for the BF plus another 1000 in drinks and promise the girl another 2000 if she will stay all night. All in 8000-9000 pesos, you're pushing 200 bucks. I hope you brought a lot of money my man. You're going to need it at this rate!
Southeaster.Facts of life: the days of fresh of the farm innocents bare backing you all night for $20 are pretty much gone in Manila, AC, Cebu, Davao. AC etc are still comparatively cheap to compared to developed countries if you want the full playboy experience.
You want dirt cheap, head out to the provinces and get amongst the dirt poor there.
Mr Enternational
10-05-16, 00:53
Just adding up MD's MO for a guaranteed LT. Soften them up with 2000 P in drinks. LOL. Soften hookers up? Who does such a thing? Walk in. Say let's go. If she won't, then pick another one.
WestCoast1
10-05-16, 01:08
Facts of life: the days of fresh of the farm innocents bare backing you all night for $20 are pretty much gone in Manila, AC, Cebu, Davao. AC etc are still comparatively cheap to compared to developed countries if you want the full playboy experience.
You want dirt cheap, head out to the provinces and get amongst the dirt poor there.All the more reason to stay out of AC. The place is changing for the worse, and has been for some time now.
WestCoast1
10-05-16, 01:13
LOL. Soften hookers up? Who does such a thing? Walk in. Say let's go. If she won't, then pick another one.
Just adding up MD's MO for a guaranteed LT. Soften them up with 2000 P in drinks. Next night pay 3000 for the BF plus another 1000 in drinks and promise the girl another 2000 if she will stay all night. All in 8000-9000 pesos, you're pushing 200 bucks. I hope you brought a lot of money my man. You're going to need it at this rate!Spot on, gents. After all of MD's questions (Will faries fly out of my arse and sing?) we have attempted to answer over the last several weeks (and many answered in PM), you can see what has happened. He has completely blown the situation by offering large tips for LT. If we had answered *none* of his questions, he would have gotten exactly this far. We have ourselves to blame for feeding the troll (I accept my share of the responsibility). He could have stayed on Burgos / EDSA at these rates (or less) and pretty much been guaranteed the LT he desires.
Spot on, gents. After all of MD's questions (Will faries fly out of my arse and sing?) we have attempted to answer over the last several weeks (and many answered in PM), you can see what has happened. He has completely blown the situation by offering large tips for LT. If we had answered *none* of his questions, he would have gotten exactly this far. We have ourselves to blame for feeding the troll (I accept my share of the responsibility). He could have stayed on Burgos / EDSA at these rates (or less) and pretty much been guaranteed the LT he desires.I try to stay silent because you help me a lot of info but by being generous to treat mamasan And waitresses some drink is not unusual in any bar Philipoines or Bangkok or elsewhere. But I did not ruin the market price, BF still set at 3,000. I am just using my tactic to reached my goal for letting the girls to be nice with me and stay ovenight? What, somebody want to be get a good Service and stay cheap Charlie? These girls working also have their price, you want it and give a little. But the extra less than 2,000 is for drinks to many waitresses including my own in total is there any wrong for being generous?
I try to stay silent because you help me a lot of info but by being generous to treat mamasan And waitresses some drink is not unusual in any bar Philipoines or Bangkok or elsewhere. But I did not ruin the market price, BF still set at 3,000. I am just using my tactic to reached my goal for letting the girls to be nice with me and stay ovenight? What, somebody want to be get a good Service and stay cheap Charlie? These girls working also have their price, you want it and give a little. But they over 2,000 is for drinks to many waitresses including my own in total is there any wrong for being generous?Nothing wrong with it. It will not affect my game at all. Everyone has their own game plan that will suit themselves.
No one is a market maker or market setter. Does not matter what some one does or doesn't do.
Thanks for your reports.
Ok, here is my last night in AC, when to Viking befriended a waitress and she is nice to talk to and I treat her one beer, please don't be upset again for me being geneoeus of spending few extra hundreds did an extra Bottle of beer. I told her I want girls to stay overnight, she Said She help me ask first the girl at the dance floor of she want then let her come down. Well, this save me from several drinks to find out later they don't go LT, she make sure the girl said yes then she come to me.
The girls are so lovely cute and sexy with nice boobs and arse. She stay till this morning if not I have to check out may be she stay till noon time. Good sex in total and she is the best gal I ever had in this three nights in AC.
Conclude my AC report. Sorry if somebody dislike my report or my behavior for being generous, I think all of us has one single goal, to get the best experience in life at least once in your life time. Just like a fisherman catch fish, without any bait just only the hook and nylon string how he catch fish? As simple as this principle but to those guy who think by giving extra generosity is a big issue then I can not go against their thinking, because it is their right to react and my right to do whatever I feel to reached my goal. I don't think that my little generousity will affect any one rights to monger the way they want . Or being not generous Will keep everyone happy with the value they want to spend for fun. This bar girl after all are also human with flesh and blood and feelings. For this very limited time of stay and Interaction with them , I feel they are easier to get Alone well than those BG of Bangkok, just simply English language speaking already a plus although I also have some nice BG experience too in LOS .
Lastly, after some interview with bar girls, not all bar girls like Korean same as not all like American, that is their right to choose whom they like most, want to make them like you then you do something to let them like you, not necessarily big amount of money but by being generous same as what we do day to day then you got friend. Nevertheless we just live once! As what I saw this phrase written outside of ABC.
Thanks to all specially Westie whom I admire for his great contribution to the Philippine forum.
Cheers,
MD.
All the more reason to stay out of AC. The place is changing for the worse, and has been for some time now.Long time punters and expats know this but if you think you're going to drive down the price of puki by grousing at people and telling them not to come here you're dreaming.
http://tourism.gov.ph/Pages/IndustryPerformance.aspx
Check those visitor numbers for ROK!
Check those spending levels for Taiwan!
A new member on his maiden trip takes the time to post field reports and all you guys can do is slag him off? Seriously? What the hell happened to this board? 🙄.
The girls are so lovely cute and sexy with nice boobs and arse. She stay till this morning if not I have to check out may be she stay till noon time. Good sex in total and she is the best gal I ever had in this three nights in AC.
Thanks to all specially Westie whom I admire for his great contribution to the Philippine forum.
Cheers,
MD.Sounds like mission accomplished and you're going home with a big smile and happy memories MD. Thank you for taking the time to post your field reports. This is what makes this board worthwhile for newbies. 👍.
Long time punters and expats know this but if you think you're going to drive down the price of puki by grousing at people and telling them not to come here you're dreaming.
http://tourism.gov.ph/Pages/IndustryPerformance.aspx
Check those visitor numbers for ROK!
Check those spending levels for Taiwan!
A new member on his maiden trip takes the time to post field reports and all you guys can do is slag him off? Seriously? What the hell happened to this board? 🙄.You!
The last thing we need here is a mommy, mommy.
Sounds like mission accomplished and you're going home with a big smile and happy memories MD. Thank you for taking the time to post your field reports. This is what makes this board worthwhile for newbies. 👍.Thanks Amavida for your always giving me good support and encouragement. I believed with my frequent to Bangkok; the Philippines specially AC is still a nice place to go, with the advantage of their English communication skill plus the nature of the Filipina hospitality and respectful culture in nature they are really far more better than those of their counterparts in Bangkok. Not to mentioned existing currency exchange rate that is also a plus plus to all of us.
Filipina girl in nature of their personal hygiene consciousness make their puki so cleaned and odorless, that is the most tasty fresh puki as my midnight snacks for all the three night stay in AC.
Thank you all!
MD.
I'm currently in the planning stages of my first visit to PI (just booked my flights to Angeles). While doing my research I found this curious tidbit of information about misconceptions that sex workers in Philippines might have:
"Non-registered sex workers, who worked in illegal brothels or in the street, had similar stories to tell. Leah P. , twenty-nine, said she worked illegally in a brothel but attended a government-run social hygiene clinic in Angeles City for routine health care. She said she had learned nothing about HIV / AIDS from the clinic:
"I don't know anything about HIV or AIDS. I've heard the word from my customers and people I work with. Some people say that if you have sex with really handsome guys, that's how it starts. Some people say it starts with blow jobs. That's why I don't do blow jobs. I'm too scared. ".
The HRW document can be found here: https://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/philippines0504/6.htm.
Anyway, thanks for all the info on this forum about Angeles! I have read about 120 pages so far and have found answers to all questions I had and then some. The hotel and social media threads have been helpful, too.
NapaSlapper
10-05-16, 10:45
Sounds like mission accomplished and you're going home with a big smile and happy memories MD. Thank you for taking the time to post your field reports. This is what makes this board worthwhile for newbies. 👍.Absolutely agree,
Thanks MD for your trip reports, photos and above all your gentleman replies and not being afraid to carry on posting even though some of the old, sad, grumpy guys of this board with too much time on their hands would have had you hung from the nearest tree, I knew that the very few of us that offered help instead of abuse would be rewarded.
Absolutely need more guys like MD on this board and a lot less posters with hundreds / thousands of posts but not a trip report in many years.
Well done MD and happy mongering where ever you decide to go next.
Mr Enternational
10-05-16, 11:21
Well, this save me from several drinks to find out later they don't go LT, she make sure the girl said yes then she come to me.Sorry. I am just not understanding why you have to buy a waitress, a mamasan, or a girl anything in order to find out if a girl will go LT with you. What is so hard about just asking the girl directly and up front? AC is not like Cambodia where bar girls tell you to buy drinks before they will discuss leaving with you. Then after you have bought the drink they tell you that they don't leave with guys.
Sorry if somebody dislike my report or my behavior for being generous, I think all of us has one single goal, to get the best experience in life at least once in your life time. Just like a fisherman catch fish, without any bait just only the hook and nylon string how he catch fish?It seems you have misinterpreted AC. You do not go there to play fisherman. It is like walking into the grocery store. All the fish have already been caught for you. You simply point out to the butcher the one you want to take home with you, then you pay at the check-out counter. Now if you were going into a normal bar or disco in Las Vegas or Miami you may need to buy chicks drinks and do some fishing. But dude you were in one of the world's biggest brothels.
Sorry. I am just not understanding why you have to buy a waitress, a mamasan, or a girl anything in order to find out if a girl will go LT with you. What is so hard about just asking the girl directly and up front? AC is not like Cambodia where bar girls tell you to buy drinks before they will discuss leaving with you. Then after you have bought the drink they tell you that they don't leave with guys.
It seems you have misinterpreted AC. You do not go there to play fisherman. It is like walking into the grocery store. All the fish have already been caught for you. You simply point out to the butcher the one you want to take home with you, then you pay at the check-out counter. Now if you were going into a normal bar or disco in Las Vegas or Miami you may need to buy chicks drinks and do some fishing. But dude you were in one of the world's biggest brothels.
Buying drink for those waitresses is an act of my own free will, I don't see any issue why we are talking this part over and over again and again here?! It's the same thing you give tip to the hotel concierge carrying your bag and give you some info around the area. No big deal man! More over it is much more than just helping me asking girl if they go LT or ST. believed me a little generousity goes a long way to go , not unless you are a cute handsome young man .
I respect what you think or making your compassion about fish in the grocery store vs mine about the fisherman just about to catch the fish. FYI, I use fisherman rather your idea about the fish in the grocery store shelf simply because I am the fisherman that just about to catch a live BG and not a cadaver lying in the morgue like you mentioned fish in the grocery store shelf.
Cheers,
MD.
Mr Enternational
10-05-16, 14:52
Buying drink for those waitresses is my own free will, I don't see any issue why we are talking this part over and over again and again here?! It's the same thing you give tip to the hotel concierge carrying your bag and give you some info around the area. No big deal man!The issue is that you asserted that you got some kind of special treatment because you spent a bunch of money on drinks for people that work there; which just is not true. So when the next new person comes along to read your report they will think they have to also spend 2000 on lady drinks for the privilege of paying a girl 3000 for LT. You did it of your own free will, but nothing would have been different had you not bought any drinks for anybody.
The issue is that you asserted that you got some kind of special treatment because you spent a bunch of money on drinks for people that work there; which just is not true. So when the next new person comes along to read your report they will think they have to also spend 2000 on lady drinks for the privilege of paying a girl 3000 for LT. You did it of your own free will, but nothing would have been different had you not bought any drinks for anybody.That's your own point of view, and your own interpretation of my generosity . no further comment.
NapaSlapper
10-05-16, 16:44
The issue is that you asserted that you got some kind of special treatment because you spent a bunch of money on drinks for people that work there; which just is not true. So when the next new person comes along to read your report they will think they have to also spend 2000 on lady drinks for the privilege of paying a girl 3000 for LT. You did it of your own free will, but nothing would have been different had you not bought any drinks for anybody.While I agree with you mr E that one can ask the girl directly if she will barfine or stay LT and waitresses or mummy are not needed.
Where you are totally wrong is that the better looking girls will sit and talk to punters without having drinks bought and most times double lady drinks bought.
To say that attractive girls are not accepting drinks on the pretense of barfining only to find an excuse not to after the drinks commissions has been secured by the bargirl is just not true IMHO.
Girls who do not have the looks / body to hustle drinks are of course good to go, lets be honest what other choice does she have to earn pesos.
A couple girls have texted me that they were taken away in a raid on Saturday. Most girls are out of jail today. Some are still there waiting because "dady Larry not finish pay the polis". The girls were held somewhere in San Fernando.
A couple of raids in the past months. I guess the LE is running low on their budgets and Christmas is coming up. Now they will come out and test Du30 resolve against corruption.
I can not understand why anyone would want to own a bar, especially a foreigner! With such financial risk along with possible loss of liberty and life.
NapaSlapper
10-06-16, 04:55
A couple girls have texted me that they were taken away in a raid on Saturday. Most girls are out of jail today. Some are still there waiting because "dady Larry not finish pay the polis". The girls were held somewhere in San Fernando.You are receiving absolutely correct information.
Fire pit bar was indeed raided last weekend, that make 3 perimeter road bar raids in a month.
Hope the days of bloody constant raids are not starting up again, Angeles bars are suffering enough without having to find money to pay huge fines to release staff / girls.
I can not understand why anyone would want to own a bar, especially a foreigner! With such financial risk along with possible loss of liberty and life.Just wondered whether your comment is more about girlie bars in Angeles, or regular bars anywhere in PI? I'm not arguing, just curious.
Mr Enternational
10-06-16, 17:48
Just wondered whether your comment is more about girlie bars in Angeles, or regular bars anywhere in PI? I'm not arguing, just curious.Anywhere. Someone who wants to own a bar in a place that is saturated with bars needs to have their head examined. And look around in the PI. Drinks are dirt cheap. If you plan to open a bar anywhere else your profit margin would be very low to running in the red still. And then when corrupt govt officials come for their piece of the pie you will be doing even worse. Same with Thailand.
Just wondered whether your comment is more about girlie bars in Angeles, or regular bars anywhere in PI? I'm not arguing, just curious.Girlie bars in AC. I have watched over the past few years how the owners come and go. I saw a few recently retired expats with their retirement funds purchase bars and renovate them with a good fortune and close up within a few months. One owner I had met never had any business experience and was closed within 5 weeks. He could not deal with the raids and payoffs. So many unknown "expenses"!
Girlie bars are so fraught with raids and payoffs and possible jail sentences with trumped up charges, that you would have to be nuts to own one in AC.
Now that you mentioned the rest of PI, I would not own a bar at all in PI or probably anywhere in the world. Personally I am not a drinker or smoker so I would hate to be in that environment.
For business sake you can only make pesos in PI. Better to earn dollars elsewhere and come spend pesos in PI. That's my business tip for the day, everyday.
A couple of raids in the past months. I guess the LE is running low on their budgets and Christmas is coming up. Now they will come out and test Du30 resolve against corruption.
I can not understand why anyone would want to own a bar, especially a foreigner! With such financial risk along with possible loss of liberty and life.Yeah an Ice Bar girl messaged me that they closed early due to the raid 'next door' I assumed it was Fire Pit. My bar 'GF's' never get barfined LOL.
The only logical reason would be to get it rocking and then sell it to one of your wide eyed customers before the system bleeds you dry from every angle or worse.
Most of the bar owners in that strip seem to be nice guys who are pretty hands on. I respect them for providing me a service although it looks like a suicide mission in the long run if they try to stick it out.
SlutMonger
10-06-16, 22:23
A couple girls have texted me that they were taken away in a raid on Saturday. Most girls are out of jail today. Some are still there waiting because "dady Larry not finish pay the polis". The girls were held somewhere in San Fernando.Man! Just when I start counting down my days they had to start this stuff. Hopefully the wave is gone and I can enjoy myself.
Fastpiston
10-07-16, 00:10
Yeah an Ice Bar girl messaged me that they closed early due to the raid 'next door' I assumed it was Fire Pit. My bar 'GF's' never get barfined LOL.
The only logical reason would be to get it rocking and then sell it to one of your wide eyed customers before the system bleeds you dry from every angle or worse.
Most of the bar owners in that strip seem to be nice guys who are pretty hands on. I respect them for providing me a service although it looks like a suicide mission in the long run if they try to stick it out.I guess Koreans will move into mid Perimeter as well now.
Just wondered whether your comment is more about girlie bars in Angeles, or regular bars anywhere in PI? I'm not arguing, just curious.In a corrupt country, ANY bar is subject to bribes. Just more likely if girls are involved.
I've known at least one regular drink bar with only regular waitress and not a bar with BF, they had an "inspector" come in and said things not up to code and will write all these violations and possible close down etc etc. An envelope with a bunch of pesos later and all of a sudden everything checked out. Girlie bars are just more subject to bribes and raid from the nature of the business.
I guess Koreans will move into mid Perimeter as well now.Yes, this is a danger.
Koreans are South East Asians as are Filipinos = they understand each other better than Western World man. Hence they would know how to manage, read bribe, Phil officials.
Whiteys have a natural repugnance to pay bribes. Their hesitation to do so, results in raids and closures. Koreans seem to have smoother bribe relations which results in less closure of K bars. Girls do not like to work in bars that are raided. Whitey does not seem to be avoiding the raids = girls migrate elsewhere.
Another nai in the coffin? Even so, whitey will prevail, LOL.
GoodEnough
10-07-16, 08:10
Yes, this is a danger.
Koreans are South East Asians as are Filipinos = they understand each other better than Western World man. Hence they would know how to manage, read bribe, Phil officials.
Whiteys have a natural repugnance to pay bribes. Their hesitation to do so, results in raids and closures. Koreans seem to have smoother bribe relations which results in less closure of K bars. Girls do not like to work in bars that are raided. Whitey does not seem to be avoiding the raids = girls migrate elsewhere.
Another nai in the coffin? Even so, whitey will prevail, LOL.I hadn't realized that Korea had moved to become part of SE Asia. I must have missed that newsflash. Given that politics in Korea is likely cleaner than in many places in the West, I seriously doubt that Koreans have a natural talent in the area of bribery. I think they're often just smart businessmen who recognize a growing, affluent market here created by their fellow countrymen, and they're trying to capitalize on it.
I've been in Angeles for the past couple of nights, and despite very recent reports to the contrary, I believe the quality available in WS bars has declined significantly. Per recent recommendations on this forum, I visited several of the highly-touted bars and saw exactly zero potential candidates, and I went out early so there's little possibility that "the good ones" had already been snapped up. Both numbers and quality were, in my opinion, way down. Of course I'm not a great lover of this town, and I don't know its every niche, so I'm basing this judgment on a tour of the major watering holes on WS. I don't like the Perimeter places and I haven't been, so cannot comment on these.
I'm told by several of the staff at ABC that hotel occupancy for the past month has been down for most hotels, though ABC has experienced only a slight decline. The new wing (Tower 4) of this hotel will be ready for occupancy by the first of the year. The hotel owner is also building a large new commercial facility just to the right of the entrance to WS and it will eventually house two new nightclubs at least one of which will be designed for an older clientele. These should be open around to beginning of next year. I've been told that Phillies will lease space in the new building as well.
My perception of this place as a slum with lots of bars hasn't altered.
GE.
Girlie bars in AC. I have watched over the past few years how the owners come and go. I saw a few recently retired expats with their retirement funds purchase bars and renovate them with a good fortune and close up within a few months. One owner I had met never had any business experience and was closed within 5 weeks. He could not deal with the raids and payoffs. So many unknown "expenses"!
Girlie bars are so fraught with raids and payoffs and possible jail sentences with trumped up charges, that you would have to be nuts to own one in AC.
Now that you mentioned the rest of PI, I would not own a bar at all in PI or probably anywhere in the world. Personally I am not a drinker or smoker so I would hate to be in that environment.
For business sake you can only make pesos in PI. Better to earn dollars elsewhere and come spend pesos in PI. That's my business tip for the day, everyday.Thanks. The "retirement" possibilities included a restaurant / small hotel that catered more for Western tourists*, somewhere in the Visayas. SWMBO wouldn't allow extra curricular entertainment anyway. Like I say, just curious, but the the comments about raids make sense.
* - I didn't say it was a *good* idea, just a possibility!
Thanks. The "retirement" possibilities included a restaurant / small hotel that catered more for Western tourists*, somewhere in the Visayas. SWMBO wouldn't allow extra curricular entertainment anyway. Like I say, just curious, but the the comments about raids make sense.
* - I didn't say it was a *good* idea, just a possibility!Personally I would not risk any money that I needed for my retirement. If you got some money to play with don't let me stop you.
Mr Enternational
10-07-16, 19:21
Yes, this is a danger.
Koreans are South East Asians as are Filipinos = they understand each other better than Western World man.If people from California, USA do not understand people from New York, USA, what the hell would make you think that Koreans and Filipinos (people from 2 different countries) would understand each other?
Which countries are in northeast Asia?
Amazing how fast facilities deteriorate here. Not so long ago the murderous Arroyo was lavishing money on Pampanga, then we had the playboy President and now we of course President Death is here to kill his way to prosperity.
One reason I chose Clark for my base was access to SEA that didn't involve Manila. With airlines cutting back on services, visitor numbers dropping and the terminal consequently left to go to seed that plan may need review.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/10/07/16/deteriorating-tower-puts-clark-airport-at-risk-coa
Engine Driver
10-08-16, 02:03
Girlie bars in AC. I have watched over the past few years how the owners come and go. I saw a few recently retired expats with their retirement funds purchase bars and renovate them with a good fortune and close up within a few months. One owner I had met never had any business experience and was closed within 5 weeks. He could not deal with the raids and payoffs. So many unknown "expenses"!I took the time to speak to a couple of old retiree type Australian bar owners and these fellows were poorly educated, "working class" folk. Divorced back home, kids are grown up and they have nothing else to do. They consider $100 K a fortune. These fiscally challenged nincompoops wouldn't have even seen a business plan, let alone written one. They dream of being a king in AC, unfortunately the world has passed them by.
Here is an article from Margarita Station on bar ownership pitfalls. http://www.margaritastation.com/buy_bar.php.
Given that politics in Korea is likely cleaner than in many places in the West, I seriously doubt that Koreans have a natural talent in the area of bribery. I think they're often just smart businessmen who recognize a growing, affluent market here created by their fellow countrymen, and they're trying to capitalize on it.
There are 100,000 Koreans living permanently in the Philippines. It makes sense that they would extend their business interests to AC to provide a service to their the countrymen. There's also the possibility that some of the Korean investment in AC is from organised crime networks. An overseas cash business is great for "cleaning" money from elsewhere. Prostitution, gambling and alcohol sales in a town where the constabulary can be bribed are a magnet for organised crime.
Fly the bus to Angeles. Surprisingly there were almost 20 people going. They had 3-4 vans transporting. One I was traveling I guess hired locally. Did not know where all the hotels in Angeles are? Heavy traffic getting out of Manila. Lots of construction on the highway. Anyway reached here staying at grand central. They upgraded me to a suite. Nice except only two towels and no toiletries to speak of. But location is good right in the middle of walking street. Got a nice deal on Expedia.
Started trolling DIA. Got one who works at a Korean Owned hotel. Wanted 2500 for all night and agreed. She came to the room at 11 pm. Nice looking thin girl. Small perky boobs, small waist and even small pussy. After couple of beers jumped into action. Nice BBBJ, licking everywhere, no smell in pussy. Tried to get on top but had trouble penetrating because of small pussy. I got on top and got it done. Nice session once she was really wet. She said she is used to Korean size whatever it means. Bled a little on the sheet. This happens many times. Whoever fucked her before never really opened all the way it seems. I suggested some bar hopping but she was tired. Stayed till morning and left after a short morning session. Worth 2500.
Got facial, massage, manicure and pedicure. Cheaper in Angeles.
Catching tonight flight to Cebu. Girls lined up and see what happens. So far so good.
Wicked Roger
10-08-16, 04:21
Amazing how fast facilities deteriorate here. Not so long ago the murderous Arroyo was lavishing money on Pampanga, then we had the playboy President and now we of course President Death is here to kill his way to prosperity.
One reason I chose Clark for my base was access to SEA that didn't involve Manila. With airlines cutting back on services, visitor numbers dropping and the terminal consequently left to go to seed that plan may need review.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/10/07/16/deteriorating-tower-puts-clark-airport-at-risk-coaAmazing you really don't like the Philippines and now you call Arroyo a murderer? Why don't you just leave the country as the last few weeks have shown you don't like the place yet you claim to be in AC and Dipolog and hating every minute LOL.
As for the news article? So what is new? Sub standard building is the likely the cause followed by poor materials or not enough of the right mix but charging the full whack. Happens all over the world. Personally am with GE on the views of AC and would never think of it as a gateway to much (except maybe bars and pussy LOL) and that is not enough to get me to visit the place much.
The fact that for Clark to be considered an important airport hub it means huge investment in facilities and IMHO a very fast train to Manila as other cities have in (example is the UK). Neither are likely to happen in my lifespan IMHO so AC will remain what it is today.
Am surprised you chose AC as so much crime and mugging there Amavida. You must be really worried about getting even groceries?
GoodEnough
10-08-16, 05:00
Amazing how fast facilities deteriorate here. Not so long ago the murderous Arroyo was lavishing money on Pampanga, then we had the playboy President and now we of course President Death is here to kill his way to prosperity.
One reason I chose Clark for my base was access to SEA that didn't involve Manila. With airlines cutting back on services, visitor numbers dropping and the terminal consequently left to go to seed that plan may need review.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/10/07/16/deteriorating-tower-puts-clark-airport-at-risk-coaI'm guessing that the last real money that was spent on the airport was when the US built it, absorbing 100% of the cost. The condition of the place is more or less consistent with the flight control equipment at NAIA: antique, dangerous an sketchy, and no one cares. It's also consistent with ground control / flight operations equipment at all other airports in the country; substandard, deteriorating and unsafe. I consistently marvel at the fact that other ASEAN countries such as Singapore (in a league of its own of couse) and Vietnam are spending tens of millions of dollars to upgrade and expand facilities while this place I guess just waits for some other country to offer to improve the system.
I admit to a slight frisson of fear every time I fly here, and I fly quite frequently.
GE.
I admit to a slight frisson of fear every time I fly here, and I fly quite frequently.
GE.LOL! Being in a twin engine jet liner as it does a full wing over turn at low altitude before dropping down into Dipolog 'international' airport, now that's fear sonny! 😄.
To be fair, Dipolog & Tacloban have had a some investment in their terminals for the better. Runways, not so much.
Wicked Roger
10-08-16, 16:42
I'm guessing that the last real money that was spent on the airport was when the US built it, absorbing 100% of the cost. The condition of the place is more or less consistent with the flight control equipment at NAIA: antique, dangerous an sketchy, and no one cares. It's also consistent with ground control / flight operations equipment at all other airports in the country; substandard, deteriorating and unsafe. I consistently marvel at the fact that other ASEAN countries such as Singapore (in a league of its own of couse) and Vietnam are spending tens of millions of dollars to upgrade and expand facilities while this place I guess just waits for some other country to offer to improve the system.
I admit to a slight frisson of fear every time I fly here, and I fly quite frequently.
GE.This is where our discussion on the board (different thread) tends to agree GE in that the lack of investment is lamentable to point it is dangerous. I am never worried about flying in the country as have had worse in Brazil and the Middle East plus the odd strange flight to Tanzania that was funny and scary and some in mid Africa many yeas ago.
But the lack of equipment at a 'major' airport is of concern and hopeful the pilots are aware and get us there safely always, but this is one area the new administration has to look at. So many fires but is there enough foam to put them all out?
The Fire Pit waitresses are still detained waiting for payment for release. Maybe we should do a mongers March and demand release. Picket the detention center!
California8
10-08-16, 23:18
Just arrived to Clark before noon and I did not want to wait until the evening for action. About 2 pm went to Candy Bar and saw a few cute ones, no stunners. I picked a petite girl, a girl next door look. I did my interview, she is 22, has been working for a week, has done one other BF and she has a cousin in the bar that introduced her to the business. She only wanted ST until 10 - this was OK with me because I knew jet lag would set in for me. She seemed a little shy at first in the bar but we got to know each other a little better and she knew how to close the deal by eventually constantly having her hands all over me and allowing me to grope her as well. EWR 1600 at the bar.
Back at the hotel, I suggested we just relax and catch some TV; we were soon snuggling and she allowed DFK which she did not allow in the bar. This flat chested girl reminded me of a teen but her nipples were sensitive and got quite big. Off to the shower we went but she did not wash me down, fortunately she allowed me to wash her slender body well. She was recently shaved. Perhaps when she started working with a little stubble just beginning. In bed she gave a BBBJ and allowed DATY though she said she is not used to DATY, she did not restrict me. She was not inexperienced at sex but was new to applying a condom. Bareback was available but I prefer to cover up. I got in two pops between a nap then offered to take her for food but she declined. Maybe she wanted to head back to the bar and collect her pay. I let her leave so I could grab a bite and catch some sleep. Jet lag is a drag but Angeles is heaven for this old guy.
Cal8.
Fastpiston
10-09-16, 00:46
I took the time to speak to a couple of old retiree type Australian bar owners and these fellows were poorly educated, "working class" folk. Divorced back home, kids are grown up and they have nothing else to do. They consider $100 K a fortune. These fiscally challenged nincompoops wouldn't have even seen a business plan, let alone written one. They dream of being a king in AC, unfortunately the world has passed them by.
Here is an article from Margarita Station on bar ownership pitfalls. http://www.margaritastation.com/buy_bar.php.
There are 100,000 Koreans living permanently in the Philippines. It makes sense that they would extend their business interests to AC to provide a service to their the countrymen. There's also the possibility that some of the Korean investment in AC is from organised crime networks. An overseas cash business is great for "cleaning" money from elsewhere. Prostitution, gambling and alcohol sales in a town where the constabulary can be bribed are a magnet for organised crime.I agree a lot of smaller bars are owned by western retirees with zero business plan, lose all their money and move on. There are always others ready to go through the same bankrupting revolving doors to lose their savings and then have to fall back on their monthly pensions. The other westerners who fall into traps are those who fall in 'love' and marry a bar girl. That is a very old story, thoroughly documented on this forum. Again, people never learn.
I agree a lot of smaller bars are owned by western retirees with zero business plan, lose all their money and move on. There are always others ready to go through the same bankrupting revolving doors to lose their savings and then have to fall back on their monthly pensions. The other westerners who fall into traps are those who fall in 'love' and marry a bar girl. That is a very old story, thoroughly documented on this forum. Again, people never learn.Maybe what is so seductive with owning a bar is you have all these bg's looking up to you!
I have it from a reliable source that Candy Bar is going to be raided by Police for Tea Money, anytime soon.
GoodEnough
10-09-16, 06:20
LOL! Being in a twin engine jet liner as it does a full wing over turn at low altitude before dropping down into Dipolog 'international' airport, now that's fear sonny! 😄.
To be fair, Dipolog & Tacloban have had a some investment in their terminals for the better. Runways, not so much.I used to be responsible for business activities of my company in 14 or 15 African countries, and thus I flew quite often from Paris (where I lived) to various ports of call in Africa. Like WR, I can recall lots of white knuckle flights on dilapidated aircraft taking off and landing at very sketchy airports. In fact, in the case of air travel (and in many other respects) this place reminds me more of Africa than the rest of SE Asia, particularly as regards the total indifference to public safety. IATA ranks NAIA as one of the world's more dangerous airports, and it's somewhat amazing to met that international airlines still use it.
GE.
LifeIsABeach
10-09-16, 07:44
I hadn't realized that Korea had moved to become part of SE Asia. I must have missed that newsflash. Given that politics in Korea is likely cleaner than in many places in the West, I seriously doubt that Koreans have a natural talent in the area of bribery. I think they're often just smart businessmen who recognize a growing, affluent market here created by their fellow countrymen, and they're trying to capitalize on it.Bribery is a culture in S Korea. You can buy anything with bribery, even better school grades, better universities, promotion, contracts, just about anything. Bribery is not limited to just money, lunches and dinners, some are even lavished with cars, big wedding presents and also for funerals. It has been so bad, that only a couple of weeks ago, a law has been passed to limit the bribes. Lunches / dinner cannot be higher than 30,000 won, wedding and funeral gifts limited to 100 000 won etc. It's going to put a lot of expensive restaurants out of business in S Korea. They know the business of bribery.
Engine Driver
10-09-16, 08:04
I agree a lot of smaller bars are owned by western retirees with zero business plan, lose all their money and move on. There are always others ready to go through the same bankrupting revolving doors to lose their savings and then have to fall back on their monthly pensions. The other westerners who fall into traps are those who fall in 'love' and marry a bar girl. I'm sure it all sounds very romantic to these simpletons. Escape from western world, leave behind the family that no longer cares about you, run away to a warm exotic location, surround yourself with beautiful girls young enough to be your granddaughters and live like a king. What could possibly go wrong?
As has been mentioned previously in this forum, the K's play the long game. If they are part of organised crime, then they are not going to be worried about how many SMBs they sell in a night. Poor old Australian retiree is not going to have a chance in AC. Bar ownership is lot more murkier than we tourists think.
I used to be responsible for business activities of my company in 14 or 15 African countries, and thus I flew quite often from Paris (where I lived) to various ports of call in Africa. Like WR, I can recall lots of white knuckle flights on dilapidated aircraft taking off and landing at very sketchy airports. In fact, in the case of air travel (and in many other respects) this place reminds me more of Africa than the rest of SE Asia, particularly as regards the total indifference to public safety. IATA ranks NAIA as one of the world's more dangerous airports, and it's somewhat amazing to met that international airlines still use it.
GE.WR & GE, your experiences are not too dissimilar to mine. Spent younger years with the RFDS. 'Landing' on Bush strips in central Australia was never a relaxing experience LOL! Hitting a roo or pig instantly covered all windows in blood & resulted in it being grounded until cleared by a separately flown in mechanic. Joy. Agree with you both about action needed on infrastructure.
Just arrived to Clark before noon and I did not want to wait until the evening for action. About 2 pm went to Candy Bar and saw a few cute ones, no stunners. I picked a petite girl, a girl next door look. I did my interview, she is 22, has been working for a week,
She was not inexperienced at sex but was new to applying a condom. Bareback was available but I prefer to cover up. I got in two pops between a nap then offered to take her for food but she declined. Maybe she wanted to head back to the bar and collect her pay. I let her leave so I could grab a bite and catch some sleep. Jet lag is a drag but Angeles is heaven for this old guy.
Cal8.Thank you Cal for taking the time to hit us with a FR. You got lucky there, new girls get jaded very quickly these days. Anyway, sounds like another punter going home with a big smile. Good one!
I'm sure it all sounds very romantic to these simpletons. Escape from western world, leave behind the family that no longer cares about you, run away to a warm exotic location, surround yourself with beautiful girls young enough to be your granddaughters and live like a king. What could possibly go wrong?
Well when you put it like that ED it does sound pretty good! 😊.
The highly opinionated guys unwilling to listen to advice are road kill here.
Just for balance there are a huge number of absentee Japanese keeping loss making businesses alive for extended periods not to mention sending remittances to girls families.
After long time of just following other mongers stories, I finally decided to share my own. I had my first mongering experience earlier in Pattaya, but this time headed for Angeles, as some fellow expats were traveling there also from China. In other words, I'm +30 Westerner working in China and decided to escape local National holiday period to better place. Sorry about short parts also in Manila, but they were more necessary evil in transfer process to Angeles. Long post ahead.
Arrival Day. Flying from Shanghai to Manila. With Typhoons raging, no surprise flight delayed, totally 4 hours. Finally arrive Manila in midnight, with customs totally full of people. Grab a taxi which despite all the warnings of rip-offs, runs by meter and takes 200 P from airport to H2 O hotel, next to Ocean Park and Rizal. Arrival after 1 o'clock, so fell too tired to go mongering.
Day 1 - Manila:
To have some material to show also to "less understanding" colleagues and friends, made a power tour of visiting all nearby sightseeing destinations, including Rizal, Fort Santiago, SM City Intramuros and two big churches there. Crew was filming some commercial just in front of the church with stunningly beautiful model. Good first sign of stock. With that out of the way, could focus on main agenda. Night time arrives and after reading reports from couple of sources, I set EDSA complex as my target. Planned to take taxi from H2 O to SM Mall of Asia, eat and walk from there to EDSA. This plan was immediately demolished as taxi that I jump in start immediately rip me off after driving short bit. Doesn't agree on using on meter and ask 400 P for the trip. Considering I paid less then 200 P for double as long trip from airport yesterday, I though fuck it, jumped out and start walking. Well, it wasn't short walk but I finally arrived EDSA around 8 o'clock, and instead mall, made pit stop to Burger King along the way. Totally empty of customers. I go around all of the 7 bars, checking stock and finally decide to sit down with chick in the bar immediately left side of the entrance. Girl wasn't stunner, but 8. However she was quite funny and easy to talk with strong GF vibe. Couple more drinks later I decided that with first real night, I can go with this. By this time, there started to circle some Japanese customers around bars, which was slightly surprising as I was expecting to see tons of Koreans. Barfine was high as also expected, 2000 P + 4000 P LT for the girl (starting price was 5000 P but managed to negotiate it down), but this I was OK also since following days would be much cheaper. When waiting the girl to change cloths, took one more stroll. Have to say quality had improved also in other bars and there were at least few stunners here and there. Small regret of making early decision. Back to hotel without major scamming by driver, two pops in the evening, one in the morning and I was very satisfied for the first service, very GF experience and could do her again.
Lesson learned= Don't do too quick pickup too early. - Total damage for 3 pops = 7000 P (2000 P BF + 4000 P girl + 1000 P drinks).
Day 2 - Angeles:
Departed to Angeles with Swagman hotel's bus. Traffic was absolutely horror in Manila's side and trip took bit over 4 hours. Met fellow expats who had picked up their long term girls already and head for dinner in Phillies sports bar just before Fields main walking street part. Good restaurant for street viewing with fellow mongers and chicks going back-and-forth. Also in front of the restaurant seemed to be main gathering point of lady boys. More frequent visitor expat told me that number of lady boys have increased a lot recently. Around same rate as Koreans have. 1+1=2? After dinner started bar hopping. Went to Atlantis and witnessed 4 chick pole dancing acrobatics for first time. Then some smaller bars and then dollhouse. After making too quick pick in Manila, didn't want to repeat same this night. Finally around 12 o'clock fellow expats were leaving and I was still only one without company. Dollhouse had nice selection earlier so I returned there. Quality had gone down a lot and all the stunners had been picked up already earlier. Started going smaller bars left side of Lancelot until one of the girls outside of the small bar looked good enough and I agreed buy her a drink inside. No idea of the bar name, but it was totally packed with people and girls. Completely opposite of dollhouse that was getting more empty. Drink one with the girl until spotted even better one on the stage. Invited her also over. Dumped the first girl and after more drinks, agreed BF with the stage girl. 2400 P. 21 years old mother of one with husband dead. Arrived to hotel where she quite early informed she need to return quite early back to her boyfriend, which somehow I had misread from earlier comments from dead husband. Total mood killer for me. One pop and I sent her home.
Lesson learned = Do proper interview of family situation in bar. - Total damage for 1 pop= 4000 P (2400 P BF + 1600 P drinks in multiple bars).
Day 3 - Angeles:
Girls were number one agenda, but getting wasted was high also in priorities. Started with expats drinking shortly after lunch time, first in hotel pool, then balcony and then in nearby sports bar while watching start of Formula. Around 4 o'clock (afternoon time) I started to feel rather drunken already so I waved to my friends and started early mongering this time from Perimeter. I had read good words about Candy Bar so decided to start there. Big group of Koreans occupied the place and had took all best looking girls. Remaining girls not worth it. Continued bar hopping one by one from Candy bar towards Fields. Started to be really drunk with having beers in multiple bars along the way. One bigger bar (perhaps Eruptions, not sure) had quite OK looking lady who I invited over to table. She was missing front teeth, but the girl herself was super funny. Also lots of joking about her missing teeth. She was really pushing me to take her and begged the BF of 1600 P. It was early evening and I couldn't really imagine shagging girl with teeth like that so skip. Short dinner, more drink and more drunk later I found myself again in Atlantis. One small girl, with nice body caught my eye, 27 why, mother of one, no husbands / boyfriends. After couple of drinks finally BF her. Unfortunately being super drunk started to turn against me. I agreed with her to continue go other normal bars to continue drinking and continued by KTV for just two of us. Finally I did something really really stupid. In drunken brilliance, I thought I want to travel with her to Arayt Mountain and send her to pick up exchange clothing from her home. She said she can do it, but she comes later in the morning due needing to take care of baby first. I sent her off, return hotel and collapsed to bed.
Lesson learned = Don't get too drunk and start doing too stupid things. - Total damage for 0 pops = A lot. Drinking started already way too early and should not be counted to "Mongering". Starting from Perimeter part likely around 7000 P (3000 P BF + 2000 P KTV & bar next to it + 2000 P drinks).
Day 4- Angeles:
With embarrassed hangover, told other expats what (didn't) happen last night. At least they had good time about it. Slow day time followed up again start of drinking bit after lunch. This time I promised myself not to use strong alcohols so early and just drink beer to stay in control. Around 4 o'clock I departed again and something really unexpected happened. I was a block away from walking street when somebody slap me on the head. The chick from yesterday! Just on the way to Atlantis for make-up, etc. She had actually come to my hotel in morning time, but staff couldn't contact me (too deep sleep) so she wasn't let in, I even double check this story later and guards admitted girl visiting there. Props to security + cons for my missing morning pop. After some apologizing to girl, I agreed paying her BF for this day to partly make up my own mess-ups. Then we made you-turn and went back to hotel for quick pops. Took her to dinner also followed up some light bar drinking and one more pop in the hotel. She told again after that, that she need to visit home to check her baby who is sick at the moment. Still feeling bit shamed of previous day, I agreed. She told me she will return later morning like she did previously. This time I instructed security to let her in directly.
Lesson learned = Some unexpected turn of events can occur. - Total damage for 2 pops = 5000 P (3000 P BF + 1000 P dinner +1000 P drinks).
Day 5 - Angeles:
Woke up rather late, but girl not returned. OK, perhaps now we were even and that's it. Tried calling her also but no answer. Proceeded with breakfast in Kokomo and just the minute I have my breakfast served, same chick calls and tells me she is now at the hotel. Picked her up for breakfast which after returned to hotel. She looked absolutely devastated and told had not slept at all during night while taking care the kid. Quick pop, but then she slept most of the day in my hotel bed. I didn't dare to leave her to room alone so just doing other stuff such as reading book. Before dinner took her with me to had drinks with expats, followed by actual dinner. At the same moment, my major issue started, lack of money. My MasterCard was rejected in all ATM's I tried and finally Central Park Tower's ATM ate the whole card. Staff told that only Security bank officials can take it out and that will take time. Loaned some money from other expats so good to go for now. Same chick had been helping this whole time, so again I felt some gratitude so I once more BF her, especially as she told me that after 3 BF days she could have free day. I was considering it as a buy 3 get 1 for free and agreed. While paying her nightly BF in Atlantis, continued drinking there also. Have to say today there was one absolutely stunner in the stage, perhaps the best looking girl I had seen in whole trip. When I mentioned her to my girl also, she said that stunner does only Koreans. I could see that, because many Westerners tried choosing her, but she rejected them all. Finally some Korean in the first floor (I was sitting in second floor) chose her and she happily departed with him shortly after. More drinks and back to hotel. Opposite of being dead fish and being bit drunk, Atlantis girl this time fucked like an animal. Perhaps best sex I had ever had in my life.
Lesson learned = Cash is the king, avoid using credit cards in Angeles. - Total damage for 2 pops = 5500 P (3000 P BF + 1000 P dinner +1500 P drinks).
Day 6 - Angeles:
As usual, A. Chick always had some difficulties with schedules. Early morning she got call from her mother, asking her to come home. Could hear her son screaming on the background like crazy. Let her go, but before that we agreed that she would also accompany me next day to Manila for one day stay. Would need to leave early morning, so she should return around afternoon. Same time my expat friends were leaving, so had final drinks and continued swimming by myself in pool. Time passed on and no word from my A. Chick. Dinner time passed also and went to Kokomo to eat alone while admiring the street view. Finally after dinner and still no word from the A. Girl, I considered myself dumped and thus free to roam again. I was bouncing between Lancelot, Club XS and one bar next to them, until saw absolutely one of the cutest girls so far in the stage. Super shy and danced like shit. Chose her. One of the worst English speakers so far (which is still great compared to most of the Asia). She turned out to be 19 years old, who just started working couple days ago. Also she claimed that I was first customer to truly chat with her, no BFs also so far. I didn't take this too seriously but decided still to go along with it and BF her. While she was changing, Mama-san came to me multiple times and made me swear that I would be kind to her, because she was her youngest girl (that I believed) and not been BF yet (bit harder to believe). I also started to worry is she perhaps younger than they are telling and double-checked her ID. Matched, so all good to go. Back to hotel and one of strangest shagging I have ever had. She was indeed super shy, which made me bit believe that I really might've been her first BFiner. Atlantis chick was definitely better in bed, but this shy girl I was "almost" ready to marry. Very kind, cute and funny all in same baggage. But again, she also had baby, with small marks in belly to prove it. Already earlier evening she said she need to return earlier to take care the baby which I was fine, since I sleep best alone. One more "special" pop and I escorted her out. I really wanted to exchange contact details with her, but beside being new, she seem to come from very poor background. No own cellphone and she was using her mother's shitty old Nokia phone. No clear idea either if she could use email / apps (or even had heard of ones). A shame, but almost reason itself for me the return later again and likely search her.
Lesson learned = Even after thinking you have found good girl, there are always better available. - Total damage for 2 pops = 3500 P (3000 P BF +500 P drinks).
Day 7 - Manila:
My final full day and departure back to Manila. I still gave final call attempt to Atlantis girl but no success, so I jumped to bus (this time from Central Park Tower) and head back to Manila. While in bus, Atlantis girl naturally calls me and ask if she can still join me. Explained that she had to take the kid to hospital previous day and she couldn't give me single call / message during it. Perhaps truth, perhaps not. She also gave me video call in which I have to admit she looked again totally destroyed without any sleep in long time. Background of place she lived looked terrible. Too late at that point so I said my final bye-byes to her. Night time with barely any money left due my MasterCard issues, decided to simply have stroll in LA Cafe and see the offering. Arrived there around 8 o'clock. Not satisfied at all. Had couple of drinks and stayed total of two hours. During that time I saw exactly two girls that I would want to shag, other one being directly taken to one Filipino group's pool table (friend or outside ordered escort, no idea) and other one was just stalking for Koreans, no eye contact on Westerners. Speaking of which, two Koreans did walk in and around 10 "best" looking girls immediately surrounded them. Nothing like that happened to any Westerners. After one round of drinking, Koreans left together with one girl, rest of the girls returning disappointingly to their posts. I considered this also as sign for me to retreat, left and walked back to my hotel near Rizal park.
Lesson learned = Head for the EDSA if want potential beauties but only if you ready to also seriously pay for them. - Total damage 0 pops= 500 P (500 P drinks).
Departure and final comments. Took the taxi from Waterfront to airport, meter working and totally damaging 186 P. No problems in airport and quick return to Shanghai. All in all I was satisfied with the trip. Constant "Single mothers" made my life more difficult, but last two chicks were both excellent in different ways. Atlantis girl due "girlfriend" experience, including all of its headaches with schedule issues + stunning sex on one of the evenings and shy girl due very different and unique experience. If / When I come back, I really hope I can find "shy girl+", who would not have kids yet. That could be closest to perfect package for me that small sum of money can buy, but perhaps too much demanded. Compared to Pattaya, average level of girls was lower, due some Angeles bars having real swamp things and fatties in the stage, which are mostly absent in Pattaya's walking street Go-go bars. Something for everyone's tastes I guess. However Angeles girls offered much more of GF experience, while Pattaya everything felt more like simple business transactions. Another matter of noting was the Koreans vs Westerners. Often I could see Koreans walking together with drop dead gorgeous stunners, while Westerners with more average level girls. I assume Westerners have their more long term partners vs Koreans hitting the bars immediately on opening hours and picking the best pieces. Need to try next time the same. Pattaya I might return, but Angeles I will definitely return.
ElReya, your field report was so funny and honest. Great job. You did the right thing with the taxi trying to rip you off, just abort. For the honest clean well driven taxi I always tip driver generously to balance karma. Finance, always have at least two ATM / Credit / Debit cards issued by completely different institutions. There is no rhyme or reason to cards being declined but big banks like Citi or HSBC are usually fine. Remeber to advise your bank your intended travel destination before leaving, they all have those stupid anti fraud software running these days. All in all sounds like you're going home with a smile on your face and some funny memories. Cheers mate!
California8
10-09-16, 23:50
Thank you Cal for taking the time to hit us with a FR. You got lucky there, new girls get jaded very quickly these days. Anyway, sounds like another punter going home with a big smile. Good one!You are exactly right, seems like she aimed to please and so provided GFE.
Member #4558
10-10-16, 00:24
Not that nubes with endless lines of questions ever will read your report but you could very well stand out as an example on how things are supposed to be done. You RTF, you store info and you execute a great trip based on this doing your own twist. I would hope this could be a motivation for others That a BM with only 1 post can post a real FR. Great work.
California8
10-10-16, 00:25
I set out after lunch to find a massage place that would send therapist to my hotel. I was not shy about asking if extras provided or seeing which girl would be sent. I hit all the places on Teodoro St but either got a 'no extras' or a less than acceptable looking or older therapist.
I caught a ride back to hotel to rest up and in speaking to the hotel driver, he said he knew a place. I needed a nap but decided to check it out then return. We ended up at Asian Dreams way out on the Perimeter. There was a suitable therapist so I told them I would call for her to come after I sleep. Alas, in walked a younger gal. The driver spoke to her and signaled a thumbs up. I agreed to switch.
After catching some shut eye, I called for delivery to the hotel. The gal, a 20 year old looked way better with her make up. 550 for one hour massage in hotel plus 2500 for FS. I asked about HJ and was quoted 500. I opted for the massage and HJ for 1050. Massage and HJ skills quite good. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the price point for a quick pop. I guess I shouldn't be so cheap but in Angeles for that price I am thinking LT.
Cal8.
It is wise to have at least 2 credit / debit cards when you travel and to notify them of your travel. I have a Chase card that almost always cuts me off even after notification of travel in advance. The hardest part was calling the 800 number to resolve the matter. Don't even bother to use the collect call international number.
I have downloaded on my Apple cell phone and tablet the Magic Jack app for free calls to USA and Canada using WiFi. So now it is not so much a problem to deal with the cards to reactivate them.
I have also found when I log in for online banking, they go into high security mode and ask the security questions like what was your childhood dog's name. I believe the banks go into a high security alert when they detect servers from the Philippines.
Best to be prepared before you travel.
Girl wasn't stunner, but 8.
When waiting the girl to change cloths, took one more stroll. Have to say quality had improved also in other bars and there were at least few stunners here and there. Small regret of making early decision. Back to hotel without major scamming by driver, two pops in the evening, one in the morning and I was very satisfied for the first service, very GF experience and could do her again.
Dumped the first girl and after more drinks, agreed BF with the stage girl. 2400 P. 21 years old mother of one with husband dead. Arrived to hotel where she quite early informed she need to return quite early back to her boyfriendA few things about your time jumped out at me, here are the first 3.
For me an 8 is a stunner. We're talking AC here. To me there are very few 8's even though I did see more on my last trip. They were usually unavailable to whitey. AC is not perfect and the hot ones are in demand and,
1. Asians throw more money around.
2. They are less demanding sexually.
3. They on average are smaller in size. These 3 things are why the hot ones who can pick and choose almost always go w / K & J only.
I did met many ladies that prefer westerners but they weren't as hot as the few stunners I saw scattered about town.
Yes patience is important but at the same time if you snooze you lose. There is a balancing act when on the hunt and so you BFed and then noticed a lot more items available after the fact.
That happens to the best of us and especially when you have very little time in one town. You still hit a homer which is good!
The third point I'd make is you mention your BF's husbands and or boyfriends. I've BFed a couple hundred BGs, casa ladies, soapy action, BJ bars and have never heard about their husbands or boyfriends. I presume you are hearing about them because you are asking if they have husbands or boyfriends. My advice is do not go there. It's info that won't do anything but harm your time w / them.
Girls were number one agenda, but getting wasted was high also in priorities.
Around 4 o'clock (afternoon time) I started to feel rather drunken already so I waved to my friends and started early mongering this time from Perimeter. I had read good words about Candy Bar so decided to start there. Big group of Koreans occupied the place and had took all best looking girls. Remaining girls not worth it.
One small girl, with nice body caught my eye, 27 why, mother of one, no husbands / boyfriends. More opinions warranted.
Getting wasted is a recipe for disaster but you learned that on your own w / minimal damage. For me I like a nice buzz and so do many. We drink San Miguel Light and we can drink those forever.
The Candy Bar opens at 12 noon. That is when you get there if you want their better talent. Another bar nearby that had a lot of goodies was Ice Bar (opens at 2 pm) that's a couple of blocks from CB. Next door from Ice Bar is The Fire Pit (opens at 1 pm). If you go hunting on Perimeter road at 4 pm you are going to be unhappy w / what you find, the hotter dancers will be gone.
And lastly you're talking about husbands and boyfriends again. My opinion is leave that subject out of the game. What good knowing about husband / boyfriend will that do for you?
If / When I come back, I really hope I can find "shy girl+", who would not have kids yet. That could be closest to perfect package for me that small sum of money can buy, but perhaps too much demanded.
Compared to Pattaya, average level of girls was lower, due some Angeles bars having real swamp things and fatties in the stage, which are mostly absent in Pattaya's walking street Go-go bars.
However Angeles girls offered much more of GF experience, while Pattaya everything felt more like simple business transactions.
Another matter of noting was the Koreans vs Westerners. Often I could see Koreans walking together with drop dead gorgeous stunners, while Westerners with more average level girls. I assume Westerners have their more long term partners vs Koreans hitting the bars immediately on opening hours and picking the best pieces.
Pattaya I might return, but Angeles I will definitely return.The baby less dancers are there you just have to search for them. Some are baby less BGs in their mid twenties and they are awesome. However I think you did well in general but maybe did not diversify as much as I like to do. I also seem to find BGs that are worth repeating but still I want new ones (everyday) when I'm there in pussy heaven.
I agree w / the Pattaya statement and Pattaya loving guys hate it when they hear pro PI guys say these things. Nevertheless it's true. Pattaya, BKK are seller's markets and the streets are full of sausage. In AC you have to search more but the rewards are greater albeit you can't have a 9 because there are no 9's in AC.
Then there are our Asian brother mongers. I notice more Japanese there last month and of course the Ks are buying up AC at a fast pace. The town would have been empty had it not been for the Asian customers. The top lookers (and there aren't that many compared to Thailand) are either w / girlfriends, alone, or w / Ks and Js. On my 12 day visit I saw 2 Caucasians w / real hot lookers on different occasions, only 2 whiteys (in 12 days) w / DDG slim beauties. This is just a fact of life in many mongering locals especially Thailand. Hitting the bars early will give you a shot at BGs that will go w / westerners. The K J only ladies will never go w / you, they may let you buy them a drink so ask first (if they are BFable) when they sit down at your table.
I'll close w / this. The only place besides Latin America where there is no discrimination is in Makati. Makati has Burgos St and I have found after numerous visits no lady is K J only. I think this has to do w / management and I really like having a shot at all I see on stage. It is how it should be everywhere but in reality it happens nowhere in Asia except for Burgos St to my knowledge. The prices you paid at Edsa are the same as Burgos bar prices. In the daytime till 7 pm their BFs are 2100 pesos, happy hour prices. So you might try Burgos St next trip. Check my post in the PG if you like, twin spinners from a Burgos St bar, and a few post down some of my AC pussies.
So I hope that helps. Overall I think you did well but a few mistakes which didn't hurt you too bad.
Not that nubes with endless lines of questions ever will read your report but you could very well stand out as an example on how things are supposed to be done. You RTF, you store info and you execute a great trip based on this doing your own twist. I would hope this could be a motivation for others That a BM with only 1 post can post a real FR. Great work.Thanks Amavida & Vitaplex. I actually was motivated for this by seeing earlier after my Pattaya trip awesome report in similar format from fellow monger in Pattaya reports. I just wished I had seen it before as that was truly helpful and would've saved me also from many hassles in Thailand. Anyways this time decided to give back to community. I don't have opportunities for this type of trips too often, but I will make another report when time comes again. Sooner or later.
California8
10-10-16, 15:42
Looking for a daytime BF. Checked out Lost in Asia and After School but nothing of interest. Just past them is F-1 Bar (as in race cars). Numerous doable girls. Called one down but she won't go out with me then pointed to another but she did not even come down. Mama suggested one "new girl this week, you will be her first BF". Now I know many readers will think 'WHY?' I interviewed her along with the mama. She is not a cherry girl, will do BJ but mama says 'you must teach her' - I am one who is always up for a challenge. EWR=2200.
Back at hotel, she was ready to go but I tried to get her to relax and take it leisurely. No problem with DFK, she is shaved and plenty tight. She is no more than 5 feet tall but quite well endowed. After a reciprocal oil massage, we showered together then over to the bed. She allowed DATY and said it was a first for her; previously she has only had straight sex. We went slow with the BJ, moving from just licking to sucking. I sure did not last long with her being so tight. Then for second pop after resting up, I let her sit up against the head board and slowly pumped her mouth; she used her hand to not allow all the shaft in but twice I pushed a little too hard and she had a mighty mighty gag reflex. I did not force it anymore after the second gag. I finished with Russian and a COF. I am glad to report that she was willing to go along with all my suggested activities.
One interesting thing is that she does not yet have a phone; not 'no smartphone', not even a lame flip phone. I am guessing it will be on her shopping list after she sends money home from what she keeps. And I did give her a modest tip for trying hard.
Cal8.
California8
10-10-16, 23:31
My initial trip to Angeles was in 2013 and I was last here in 2014. Just as I have read in the forum, this time there were more rejections to my requests to go out. Fortunately, both from experience and RTFF, I do not buy the gals a drink until a short interview. Expecting this, it did not bother me at all, just move onto the next gal or next bar.
No rain for 2 consecutive days!
The Scorebirds Pool Party does not start until 2 pm on Saturdays so my intel to show up shortly after 12 was a bummer.
At the airport, there are free tourist SIM cards available for your smartphone; 200 got me unlimited data for 5 days. So cheap. Another 100 got me minimum calls. Globe and Smart have booths in the exit lobby.
Around Phillies Bar before you get to Walking Street entrance, I was handed business cards for outcall massage by young looking gals. I was tempted but declined; I consider these girls free lancers though their cards name a company. I am a little cautious so worried about [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) and scams.
At one Perimeter bar, I got a surprise answer during interview: when asked how long she would stay, she said 'up to you'. I ended up declining to choose her mainly because she is approaching 30 and has 3 kids but I still bought her a drink.
I shall return to Angeles.
Cal8.
AsianLover2
10-11-16, 00:46
I have visited AC 45 times from 2003 to 2013. After a 3 year hiatus, I decided to stop by for 5 days after being in Bali for a week. I have been reading all the negative reports posted here about Koreans taking over the bars. The girls only going with Koreans. The girls only wanting short time. Just a lot of Joli-bellies dancing now. The very poor attitudes, Etc. Etc. Etc.
Since I remember the 'How it was' and now know 'How it is' I will give you my trip experience.
Positives:
Day 1- BF'the a 7 from Viking for the afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE. Had her leave at 7 pm.
-BF'the an 8 from Club RA (formerly Golden Nile). 3000 P. Very GFE. Stayed all night.
Day 2-BF'the a 7 from Pony Tails for the afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE and stayed until I asked her to leave about 7 pm.
-BF'the a 7 from Club RA. 3000 P. Very GFE and stayed all night and had breakfast in the morning. Left about 10 am.
Day 3- BF'the an 8 from Pony Tails for afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE and kept her all night for free. Spent the next day with her and sent her home 6 pm.
Day 4- BF'the an 8 from Club Ra. 3000 P. Very GFE, Stayed all night and had breakfast with me.
Day 5- BF's a solid 8. 5/9 from Club XS (sister club to Club Ra) 3500 P (I think). Very GFE and stayed all night. I would have kept her a couple of days if I had more time.
I took a trike to the perimeter clubs during the day with no problems.
I never felt overrun with Koreans.
2 girls willing to go BBFS. Nope!
2 girls wanted a foreign baby and asked me if I was willing. Uhhhhh. No thanks.
Negatives:
Had 1 super star girl from Atlantis tell me 'No' that she had mens. Not sure if true. But she did not seem interested in BF'ing. Too bad. She was a hottie.
Had an afternoon girl (very cute 7) from Geckos say 'No' she had men. I know the mamasan forever and had her check. Yep. Sure enough. She had mens. No harm. No foul.
Had an afternoon girl 7/8 from Viking tell me she only goes with Koreans. Waitress friend told me it is true. She is afraid of a foreigner's big dick.
Summary:
Go to AC and enjoy. I visited several more clubs but did not spot any of interest to me. Maybe the best were already gone. The girls do tell me I am very handsome and waitresses and mamasan's will tell the girls I am a nice guy. That can help. Still not sure why other posters have not had good luck.
I enjoyed 7 hot girls in 5 days. The overnights hugged me all night long. Enjoyed seeing so many friends I have known. All in all a great time. So I am planning to return again next year.
Member #4698
10-11-16, 02:35
Great Report AsianLover. I like your style of hitting the bars you like often and sampling an assortment of the talent within. I remember hooking up with some very sexy cultural dancers & black dress dancers in Golden Nile on my last couple of visits. It was my favorite AC bar. I liked it much better than Doll House or Atlantis where the atmosphere seemed more artificial and contrived, especially Atlantis. I am glad to hear Club RA has still got the talent. Can you tell me more about Club XS? Is it in the same building different floor? What if anything differentiates it from Club RA?
And lastly, so 2 girls wanted to have your baby. That's funny! Just what a punter wants to hear. LOL.
NapaSlapper
10-11-16, 03:26
Great Report AsianLover. I like your style of hitting the bars you like often and sampling an assortment of the talent within. I remember hooking up with some very sexy cultural dancers & black dress dancers in Golden Nile on my last couple of visits. It was my favorite AC bar. I liked it much better than Doll House or Atlantis where the atmosphere seemed more artificial and contrived, especially Atlantis. I am glad to hear Club RA has still got the talent. Can you tell me more about Club XS? Is it in the same building different floor? What if anything differentiates it from Club RA?
And lastly, so 2 girls wanted to have your baby. That's funny! Just what a punter wants to hear. LOL.Thanks for your post.
As you have not visited Angeles in few years then those girls in the black dresses are probably grandmothers now LOL and golden nile bar is a shadow of its former self IMHO.
As far as Atlantis bar I would have to totally disagree with you, I would say it has the best atmosphere with the best looking girls of any bar in Angeles.
No it is not wall to wall stunners but when compared to the type of girls most other Angeles bars are employing then without a doubt Atlantis tries very hard to employ what talent is available.
NapaSlapper
10-11-16, 04:18
Thanks for your opinions.
Have to fully agree that the better looking girls are making excuses not to barfine.
The main reason for this is unfortunately many Asian punters are in most top bars having a few drinks with friends, talking business deals, discussing their short golf tour etc with the added bonus of having girls to serve / sit with them while they talk, fucking is not their main concern, these guys think nothing of buying many high commission lady drinks and leaving empty handed hence the better looking girls get the princess syndrome and do very nicely indeed without having to fuck anyone.
You are fully correct that recently score birds has started at 2 pm for anyone wanting to try this out, girls were poor on my last visit but not a bad way to kill a few hours chatting to fellow mongers over few beers in the afternoon.
Have always avoided the massage girls on the streets with the business cards, most look of dubious age so would not take the risk due to the severe penalties involved if set up.
You made the right choice on the 30 year old with 3 kids, might have had to tie a plank across your ass in case you fell in had you relented LOL.
Streetlooker
10-11-16, 05:49
Good advice. To add to this there is no sure fire way to have a guaranteed good time in AC. Individual experiences vary. Take good with the bad. There are plenty of girls to go around. If you are not watching your pennies you will have a good time. AC although comparatively inexpensive still need to spend to have a good time. Gone are the days when you barfine, no tip, girl stays with you till morning, gives you as many pops you like, totally GFE etc. Even though I visit AC for a couple days (old habits never die) rarely barfine anybody. Usually I will have a dating site girl with me. But for adult Disneyland AC fits the bill. No age barrier, sex rules, do not feel out of place.
By contrast Thai girls generally do fulfill their obligations once you barfine them in my opinion.What I like to do is take a girl in the afternoon from one of the perimeter bars. Since I always stay at the Clarkton hotel while in AC its almost always a girl from MIRRORS (Open 3 pm) LIA, Roadies or After School (12 pm). Looks matter a bit (Not taking a ugly girl just something cute not to fat or to skinny) however attitude is better for this girl then looks. Since the Fields bars don't get hopping till at least 8-9 pm. Its nice to hang out with attitude girl for the remaining of the after noon swimming maybe a nap. I take the girl for 2 nights and double pay her EWR one for that night then one for the next night. Sometimes I waste the 2nd day but most of the time I get a 2 day deal. This girl now becomes my barhopping buddy. If I really like her I can do a revisit on her at a later date sometimes I do sometimes I don't. Why I take the 2 day deal is You can't hit more then half the fields bars on a night of barhopping IMO there are just to many of them to check out. So I usual divide them up.
OK so you get one of those little note pads that can fit in your back pocket easily and a pen. You then go into each bar with your barhopping buddy and have a sit near the stage. Order a drink for you and her. She will be charged regular rates for her drinks so you save tons on LDs. She will also allow you to scout the place without the hassle from the waitresses or the dancers to by them drinks. Basically they think she's your girlfriend so they don't bother you. It usually takes 10 -20 minutes for a medium sized bar and 20-30 minutes for a mega bar to see almost all the girls the bar has to offer. You then write the numbers down of the girls from that bar so you revisit them later in your trip. By the end of the 2 nights you could have numbers for 40-60 different girls from about all almost all the bars on fields. What this allows you to do is revisit bars that had the better selection girls and not waste time on the bars that didn't have anything you liked. You revisit you note pad and plan out your alone barhop looking for the girls you already thought were the best. Since you have there numbers already you will not waste time sitting with girls you really don't like or staying in that bar if the girl is already gone just hop to the next place The only problem with this is you can never get to all the girls you wanted and you leave after your vacation wishing you could have got to a few you didn't. To many girls not enough time.
Streetlooker
10-11-16, 06:06
You will have plenty of time on your hands in AC and it's always a struggle to find stuff to do when you are (a) not banging a girl and (b) not sleeping. Massage is always an option and can kill a couple of hours a day. Here is a list of massage options in AC. This is not exhaustive. As you all know, AC is a morally corrupt bubble, so almost anything can be negotiated. You will not offend anyone by asking.
1. Street Massage Girls.
About 18-months ago, groups of street massage girls wearing coloured scrubs would congregate at about 7. 00 pm just at the entry to Walking Street. Their modus operandi would be to hook a potential punter at the Walking Street entrance before he actually got to the bars. This was kind of smart, but was bad business for the bar owners. So the bar owners drove them away from Walking Street and now they hang out looking for customers outside Phillies Bar and Grill on Fields Avenue. In the process (to attract less attention from bar owners), they've lost the nurses scrubs and just wear normal street clothes. These girls have no massage skills whatsoever. They are just hookers. The "massage fee" is around 300 PHP per hour and this is the price to get the girl into your room. She will give a portion of this initial fee to her pimpette who will be hanging around at the pick up spot. Once in the room, its sex as usual and BBBJ, CIM, FS etc can and will be provided. There's no set fee for the sex. Just negotiate in the 1500 - 2000 PHP range. One massage girl told me she can earn a lot more than a bar girl for a lot less effort. Its ST only, she doesn't need to dance and can go home after she has pulled a couple of tricks a night. These girls aren't subject to the normal weekly "hygiene test", so using a condom would be a good idea.
2. Legitimate Massage.
There are few legitimate massage places in AC. There's a couple on Fields Avenue (one is near the supermarket) and few in the side streets off Fields. These places usually have nice colourful pictures of people being massaged on the front window and there is the ubiquitous hot stone massage picture. The girls inside all wear uniforms and have been trained in proper massage. They will get the punter to don a pair of boxer shorts or will cover the guy with a towel during the massage. There is only a curtain separating each massage cubicle. I have asked for extras and have been refused with a "sorry Sir, we don't do that". Price is around 300 PHP and I usually tip 100 PHP. These girls will also travel to your hotel room. You might be able to coerce some into extras at your room, but it is not guaranteed.
3. Semi Legitimate Massage.
These places provide a good massage service, but extras are always available if you ask. The massage girls are almost always middle aged MILFS and they don't wear uniforms. In the shop, they will provide BBBJ and HJ. At your room, you can ask for anything. The fee for massage will be around 300-400. Just negotiate the rest. An example of this is Star Massage on Fields Avenue. It's in the second bunch of shops down from the jeep terminal (heading towards Walking Street on the left). Every girl here is up for action. There is a smoking hot MILF at Star Massage called Mavi, who also works as a waitress at Eruptions. She might even pass Mr Slapper's taste test. I was going to do her, but just ran out of time. If you like a particular MILF at these type of places, you can also pay the EWR fee to her boss and take her for the day (it's like a bar fine, but equal to 4 massages). It's up to you what you do with her. Just give her a good tip at the end as her boss will keep most of the EWR. I've previously done this with Maricel at Star Massage a couple of times and it was an awesome GFE.
Another example of this type of massage place is Hanna and Grace Massage just down the side street from Phillies Bar. Those MILFs will do anything!
4. Hotel Massage.
All hotels provide a massage service. Sometimes the massage girls works for the hotel as employees and sometimes the hotel will outsource the service and will clip her ticket. Once the girl is in your room, you may ask what else is on the menu. I've never tried a hotel provided massage, so can't comment.
5. Korean Massage.
There are quite a few K-massage places in AC (surprise surprise). They are located in streets off Fields and there is also one near Jollibees. Just look for the Korean writing. Korea Town also has lots of them. I've also seen a few near the upper Perimeter bars. I've never been in one, so can't comment.Now this is information I can use.
SouthEaster
10-11-16, 07:30
AL2,
Just to clarify a point on your observations. You said 2 girls willing to go BBFS without condom. Nope! Does that mean only 2 of seven were willing to screw without a rubber or you refused or what? It used to be that condoms were rarely an issue and were pretty much up to the customer and indeed had to be insisted upon on occasion (if you were that type of concerned guy of course). Have things changed that much? 5 of 7 insisted on a rubber? I will probably be castigated by the membership but one of the reasons I still go to the PI is because I hate the things and can (could?) still get laid without them.
Southeaster.
AsianLover2
10-11-16, 14:55
Great Report AsianLover. I like your style of hitting the bars you like often and sampling an assortment of the talent within. I remember hooking up with some very sexy cultural dancers & black dress dancers in Golden Nile on my last couple of visits. It was my favorite AC bar. I liked it much better than Doll House or Atlantis where the atmosphere seemed more artificial and contrived, especially Atlantis. I am glad to hear Club RA has still got the talent. Can you tell me more about Club XS? Is it in the same building different floor? What if anything differentiates it from Club RA?
And lastly, so 2 girls wanted to have your baby. That's funny! Just what a punter wants to hear. LOL.Club XS is across the street from Kokomos. Was formally club Forbidden City. Seating is more stadium like than Club Ra as you walk down toward stage. I prefer Club Ra over Atlantis too as I can get a better view of all the talent. As far as sampling talent within 1 club, it can pay off. Believe me when I say more girls talk about their barfines with each other than we do. Being a 'good boom boom' , treating a girl like a true girlfriend and giving a decent tip will pay off in spades when asking the other girls to go out. When returning to a club I get my barfined girls all telling me "Oh honey ko, barfine me, I go with you again, OK? Or even better. They will recommend a girlfriend that wants to meet me.
To answer how much I tipped? I tipped trike money and 1000 P for all the girls except the 8.5/9. I gave her 1500 P + trike.
Also, this was my first visit that I only had 1 girl at a time. Must be getting old.
Fastpiston
10-11-16, 22:54
I have visited AC 45 times from 2003 to 2013. After a 3 year hiatus, I decided to stop by for 5 days after being in Bali for a week. I have been reading all the negative reports posted here about Koreans taking over the bars. The girls only going with Koreans. The girls only wanting short time. Just a lot of Joli-bellies dancing now. The very poor attitudes, Etc. Etc. Etc.
Since I remember the 'How it was' and now know 'How it is' I will give you my trip experience.
Positives:
Day 1- BF'the a 7 from Viking for the afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE. Had her leave at 7 pm.
-BF'the an 8 from Club RA (formerly Golden Nile). 3000 P. Very GFE. Stayed all night.
Day 2-BF'the a 7 from Pony Tails for the afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE and stayed until I asked her to leave about 7 pm.
-BF'the a 7 from Club RA. 3000 P. Very GFE and stayed all night and had breakfast in the morning. Left about 10 am.
Day 3- BF'the an 8 from Pony Tails for afternoon. 3000 P. Very GFE and kept her all night for free. Spent the next day with her and sent her home 6 pm.
Day 4- BF'the an 8 from Club Ra. 3000 P. Very GFE, Stayed all night and had breakfast with me.
Day 5- BF's a solid 8. 5/9 from Club XS (sister club to Club Ra) 3500 P (I think). Very GFE and stayed all night. I would have kept her a couple of days if I had more time.
I took a trike to the perimeter clubs during the day with no problems.
I never felt overrun with Koreans.
2 girls willing to go BBFS. Nope!
2 girls wanted a foreign baby and asked me if I was willing. Uhhhhh. No thanks.
Negatives:
Had 1 super star girl from Atlantis tell me 'No' that she had mens. Not sure if true. But she did not seem interested in BF'ing. Too bad. She was a hottie.
Had an afternoon girl (very cute 7) from Geckos say 'No' she had men. I know the mamasan forever and had her check. Yep. Sure enough. She had mens. No harm. No foul.
Had an afternoon girl 7/8 from Viking tell me she only goes with Koreans. Waitress friend told me it is true. She is afraid of a foreigner's big dick.
Summary:
Go to AC and enjoy. I visited several more clubs but did not spot any of interest to me. Maybe the best were already gone. The girls do tell me I am very handsome and waitresses and mamasan's will tell the girls I am a nice guy. That can help. Still not sure why other posters have not had good luck.
I enjoyed 7 hot girls in 5 days. The overnights hugged me all night long. Enjoyed seeing so many friends I have known. All in all a great time. So I am planning to return again next year.Good summary. I am sure paying 3000 P makes you a nice handsome guy. A recent posting by another referred to giving 1000 P tips. There are bargirls giving really open sincere podcasts on their lives as bargirls on Youtube. Although there are exceptions, do not lose sight that money really does make one very handsome and nice!!
AsianLover2
10-11-16, 23:50
Good summary. I am sure paying 3000 P makes you a nice handsome guy. A recent posting by another referred to giving 1000 P tips. There are bargirls giving really open sincere podcasts on their lives as bargirls on Youtube. Although there are exceptions, do not lose sight that money really does make one very handsome and nice!!Maybe I should have mentioned I tip for performance. GFE earns the 1000 P tip. Moreover, I have had many girls meet me outside the clubs for free. I treat the girls I am with like a girlfriend. $82 for an all night date with a beautiful Pinay for me is hardly overspending. I can remember paying 500 P BF's. And I was still 'handsome' then! LOL.
However, Now I am willing to pay the going rate for a girl that looks good to me.
But I understand everyone has a budget.
AsianLover2
10-12-16, 00:32
AL2,
Just to clarify a point on your observations. You said 2 girls willing to go BBFS without condom. Nope! Does that mean only 2 of seven were willing to screw without a rubber or you refused or what? It used to be that condoms were rarely an issue and were pretty much up to the customer and indeed had to be insisted upon on occasion (if you were that type of concerned guy of course). Have things changed that much? 5 of 7 insisted on a rubber? I will probably be castigated by the membership but one of the reasons I still go to the PI is because I hate the things and can (could?) still get laid without them.
Southeaster.To answer your question, 5 of the 7 asked if I had a condom before we were about to 'do it'. I did not push it with those girls as I use a condom. The other 2 either opened up or rolled sideways for a BB session.
Now in the past, I have taken girls to other PI resort areas. Before the trips, I took them to the local medical facility and paid about $80 I (I think) to have them tested for everything (AIDS test was not available). Then I took a chance and did not pack any condoms.
I remember years ago the DOLLHOUSE had a blowjob video some of the girls told me they watch to learn the trade. This visit one girl who asked about using a condom told me they showed them a video of diseased TiTi's and Puki's. So maybe some of the girls are getting educated as to the risks.
With that said, I am sure you can find girls willing to go BB if that is a chance you are willing to take.
AsianLover2
10-12-16, 00:51
Good summary. I am sure paying 3000 P makes you a nice handsome guy. A recent posting by another referred to giving 1000 P tips. There are bargirls giving really open sincere podcasts on their lives as bargirls on Youtube. Although there are exceptions, do not lose sight that money really does make one very handsome and nice!!Maybe I should have written I tip for performance. A GFE with an all night stay gets 1000 P. The 1500 P tip I paid was for a real beauty and the best sex I had all week. I plan on spending a few days with her on my next visit.
I am sure you are aware that some of those YOUTUBE videos are another way of getting some poor sensitive guy to send money. I know girls that are on several dating websites and a video trolling for money.
NapaSlapper
10-12-16, 02:55
Good summary. I am sure paying 3000 P makes you a nice handsome guy. A recent posting by another referred to giving 1000 P tips. There are bargirls giving really open sincere podcasts on their lives as bargirls on Youtube. Although there are exceptions, do not lose sight that money really does make one very handsome and nice!!Have to fully agree with you Fastpiston.
Funny how some guys on monger boards have an ego so large that they lose sight that none of them could get laid by a prostitute without large payment.
They call prostitutes, dates, girlfriends, they claim she genuinely likes me, she calls me handsome, she cuddles me, she tells me I'm a great lover, she tells her friends how great I am.
Some even want this board to believe prostitutes give them totally free sex because of how handsome / great they are.
Learning to speak / understand the local language would have the same fellows jumping off the 14 floor if they could understand what is really being said by these girls to friends about them.
As you have pointed out many prostitutes talking frankly about their punters on line and it is not at all kind LOL.
Maybe I should have written I tip for performance. A GFE with an all night stay gets 1000 P. The 1500 P tip I paid was for a real beauty and the best sex I had all week. I plan on spending a few days with her on my next visit.
I am sure you are aware that some of those YOUTUBE videos are another way of getting some poor sensitive guy to send money. I know girls that are on several dating websites and a video trolling for money.Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN. Remember its just not the tips they like, but the main factor is you are also good to the girls, giving them the BFE= BoyFriendEffect. They have already made enough money (based on PI wage scale) from the BF alone that will keep them happy for awhile.
--IMO.
Cheers.
NapaSlapper
10-12-16, 03:19
Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN. Remember its just not the tips they like, but the main factor is you are also good to the girls, giving them the BFE= BoyFriendEffect. They have already made enough money (based on PI wage scale) from the BF alone that will keep them happy for awhile.
--IMO.
Cheers.Depends what type of girls one is happy to barfine.
What I find is that the better looking girls that have multiple offers of being barfined do not give a shit about, GFE, BFE or any other experience, they are in the business to make as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Ever wondered why almost all pretty Angeles girls that are willing to barfine insist on short time only, usually 1 quick pop, well its to get back to the bar and get the next punters money.
Expecting girls young enough to be most punters great granddaughter to actually like them or want to spend any more time than is absolutely necessary to secure the pesos is dreaming at best.
Girls that have no chance of anyone buying them high commission lady drinks and might only get asked to barfine by a very few per month will generally stay long time and try to play the I really like you card in the hope of the punter keeping her multiple days or at worst at least giving a tip IMHO.
Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN. Remember its just not the tips they like, but the main factor is you are also good to the girls, giving them the BFE= BoyFriendEffect. They have already made enough money (based on PI wage scale) from the BF alone that will keep them happy for awhile.
--IMO.
Cheers.I am sure AL2 knows what he is doing. AL2 is a veteran of AC.
Maybe I should have mentioned I tip for performance. GFE earns the 1000 P tip. Moreover, I have had many girls meet me outside the clubs for free. I treat the girls I am with like a girlfriend. $82 for an all night date with a beautiful Pinay for me is hardly overspending. I can remember paying 500 P BF's. And I was still 'handsome' then! LOL.
However, Now I am willing to pay the going rate for a girl that looks good to me.
But I understand everyone has a budget.I was just there in AC and when I took hotties from Perimeter bars they weren't happy w / 500 pesos. So if that's the case why go there?
Tipping a 1000 pesos is making it difficult for the other mongers. I don't want to tip 1000 pesos but when others do it I am pressured to do it too.
It doesn't matter what makes you (the monger) feel good. It matters what is best for everyone. That's what's important.
If you want to spoil AC than tip 1000 pesos to the BGs. The BG boyfriends thank you kindly but I don't.
Mr Enternational
10-12-16, 05:04
Just my opinion, but I truly think you are overtipping. Sure, its great to have GFE, but I get that and often tip 500 p and never more than that. They ALWAYS WANTED ME AGAIN.I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.
GoodEnough
10-12-16, 05:53
I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.Funny for me to read this as every friend I have in Angeles tips between Php2,000-3,000 based on performance and longevity.
GE.
AsianLover2
10-12-16, 14:56
I am sure AL2 knows what he is doing. AL2 is a veteran of AC.Thanks Dg. All the chat about ruining it for other punters by tipping more than they think is proper in my opinion does not really make sense. We all have heard / read about Koreans tipping 3 to 4 k and taking over the market. I have not met 1 girl that expected that much money for a tip. So just tip what you feel is the right amount for you.
I appreciate all the information as to how the girls think, that it is all about the money and they have boyfriends. Keep in mind that each of us can have a different experience being in AC.
I am certain many punters have more time in AC than I do. However, after 13 years, 46 visits and 300+ girls I have a pretty good idea what's up. I have visited AC, Manila, Tagaytay, Subic, Leyte, Cebu, Davao, Boracay and Palawan. I have gotten to know pinays quite well. I have sent girls to finish high school to get a job outside the bars, opened sari sari's, fixed their teeth, paid for needed doctor and dentist visits. Even paid the doctor for a mothers appendectomy. In the 'Province' you paid the $400 or she dies.
So whether I helped a girl or just BF'd her 1 night, we both had a great time.
So everyone should enjoy all that AC has to offer and spend what you can afford. A good time can be had by all.
Thanks Dg. All the chat about ruining it for other punters by tipping more than they think is proper in my opinion does not really make sense. We all have heard / read about Koreans tipping 3 to 4 k and taking over the market. I have not met 1 girl that expected that much money for a tip. So just tip what you feel is the right amount for you.
I appreciate all the information as to how the girls think, that it is all about the money and they have boyfriends. Keep in mind that each of us can have a different experience being in AC.
I am certain many punters have more time in AC than I do. However, after 13 years, 46 visits and 300+ girls I have a pretty good idea what's up. I have visited AC, Manila, Tagaytay, Subic, Leyte, Cebu, Davao, Boracay and Palawan. I have gotten to know pinays quite well. I have sent girls to finish high school to get a job outside the bars, opened sari sari's, fixed their teeth, paid for needed doctor and dentist visits. Even paid the doctor for a mothers appendectomy. In the 'Province' you paid the $400 or she dies.
So whether I helped a girl or just BF'd her 1 night, we both had a great time.
So everyone should enjoy all that AC has to offer and spend what you can afford. A good time can be had by all.I absolutely agree with you sir. I am compared to you a newbie. I have been going to AC for 2 yrs now, about 2-3 times a yr. I have BF'ed girls, met them on CL, even dated one for about a year. The Filipinos are sweethearts, but can be possessive. I actually am going to AC in two weeks, and have picked up a date on on of the dating sites. We will see how this works out. Thanks sir for your great posts.
Fastpiston
10-13-16, 01:08
Maybe I should have written I tip for performance. A GFE with an all night stay gets 1000 P. The 1500 P tip I paid was for a real beauty and the best sex I had all week. I plan on spending a few days with her on my next visit.
I am sure you are aware that some of those YOUTUBE videos are another way of getting some poor sensitive guy to send money. I know girls that are on several dating websites and a video trolling for money.No. Have a look at the podcasts carefully. There are some great podcasts where the girls give detailed insight into how the vast majority of bar girls think both inside and outside the bar. How they size up, manipulate and flatter the naive. In the podcasts I am referring to, the girls did not give any contact details of themselves personally, so obviously not asking for money. Having mongering for many decades allover Asia, I did notice that in every marketplace where western tourists overpay, the prices eventually rose to a level that squeezed out all except the overgenerous. Basic economics: "All Sellers will raise prices to what the Buyers will bear". I had a great sincere talk with a Bangkok girl recently who was complaining how she now gets so few clients. She did not realize she was getting greedy and pricing herself out of the market. I suggested she hangs around the 5 star hotels micro market instead of where she was currently doing her business. Another point, looking at the Burgos thread, I was surprised to observe that AC prices on the AC thread are now not that far off Burgos thread prices.
I know what you mean. I get that same thing and I don't tip at all.Ditto, I'm not a big tipper, in AC that would translate to 0-500 depending on performance. Never had any issues. The EWR is all inclusive, and equals minimum a week's standing in some shitty provincial city mall for 100 pesos a day.
Lets face real world reality. Tipping of a random first time, never to be seen again barfine has ZERO effect on the performance of the GFE, sexual performance, length of service etc, etc.
You tip when she is LEAVING. Its over done she is walking to the jeep / trike out your door your dick is limp and satisfied.
The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.
Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.
Your first sentence seems like a call for lower tips. As for the poor girl who got "worked over", let me wipe my crocodile tears. She most likely traveled half way across the Philippines just for the opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that it's a poor country and most of them have a tough life.
I have mixed feelings about the tip controversy. When a gal goes back to the province with her fashionable clothing and jewelry and talks about her generous BF, I have to think this is great PR for the bar lifestyle. She may have a friend and a cousin with her on the return trip.
It may be jealousy but I'm more bothered by the punter in the bar who has six gals around him, each with a drink. The stage is empty. In that case his largesse has a direct impact on my enjoyment. But even that has unexpected consequences. I walked into a Perimeter bar just after some punter had let several gals knock back tequila shots. They were drunk and very, very naughty.
I tend to stick to tipping at the 0 to 500 range in AC, and might add more if I get pictures or if they ask for a "favor". I do have one big regret. I had a session with a gal I found especially attractive. She stayed until early afternoon and we had numerous rounds. She was a great conversationalist and I was smitten. I tipped 500. I've seen her twice since then and I never received the same good service.
Pantot, I don't think anyone is "willing" to overpay for a run down hotel. After all, we have an entire AC thread that is devoted to hotel reviews so that visitors can get the most bang for their buck. Pun intended. X.
Lets face real world reality. Tipping of a random first time, never to be seen again barfine has ZERO effect on the performance of the GFE, sexual performance, length of service etc, etc.
You tip when she is LEAVING. Its over done she is walking to the jeep / trike out your door your dick is limp and satisfied.
The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.
Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.
Your first sentence seems like a call for lower tips. As for the poor girl who got "worked over", let me wipe my crocodile tears. She most likely traveled half way across the Philippines just for the opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that it's a poor country and most of them have a tough life.
I have mixed feelings about the tip controversy. When a gal goes back to the province with her fashionable clothing and jewelry and talks about her generous BF, I have to think this is great PR for the bar lifestyle. She may have a friend and a cousin with her on the return trip.
It may be jealousy but I'm more bothered by the punter in the bar who has six gals around him, each with a drink. The stage is empty. In that case his largesse has a direct impact on my enjoyment. But even that has unexpected consequences. I walked into a Perimeter bar just after some punter had let several gals knock back tequila shots. They were drunk and very, very naughty.
I tend to stick to tipping at the 0 to 500 range in AC, and might add more if I get pictures or if they ask for a "favor". I do have one big regret. I had a session with a gal I found especially attractive. She stayed until early afternoon and we had numerous rounds. She was a great conversationalist and I was smitten. I tipped 500. I've seen her twice since then and I never received the same good service.
Pantot, I don't think anyone is "willing" to overpay for a run down hotel. After all, we have an entire AC thread that is devoted to hotel reviews so that visitors can get the most bang for their buck. Pun intended. X.Well I think you mean my second sentence. Heheh the first was a set up.
What I was trying to address was the opposite, that overtipping somehow spoils the girls GFE or **** experience whatever.
Since the girl cannot know your tip until the barfine has concluded it cannot affect how she treats you.
Unless a monger announces his Tip in advance and I would never advise that. Its a crapshoot for both parties.
If it affects the johns ability to procure further contact and service, with that girl or her cowrkers. Well that's always been up to us a combo of game, money, promises, lack of promises etc.
An extra 500 pesos $10 usd these days one way or the other does not crush the market for cheap pussy.
That arguement always baffles me.
Wicked Roger
10-14-16, 04:00
The guys who prefer to tip zero or P250 or for long term only complaint against the supposed 'over tippers' of P1000 or more is that the girls visible disappointment at the girls final exit that they realize that that sexual prowess did not in itself rock thier world and be satisfaction in itself. Maybe it wrecks the fantasy? We are talking $10 extra here for god sakes for a girl you worked over sexually who smiled at you through the whole process at least.
Its ironic how many are willing to over pay for deteriorating western priced hotels like Lewis Grand or whichever (not to single one out -- they all fall apart) but then to complain about 'over' tippers in the lowest priced safe GFE barfine area on the earth.Some are truly cheap charlies Pantot. Pay thousands of dollars to go there and then worry about $10 on a tip. Will scrimp on the hotel also. Yes we all have budgets (some big some small) but really this is cheap IMHO. Put yourself in their shoes. They smile, serve you and try to be nice to get an extra $10. You try it with some possible smelly old fart of a guy who is possibly drunk asking you to suck his todget, CIM etc LOL Think about it and then think "would I expect more for a tip for doing that?" LOL.
Same discussions when some posters boasted about not giving trike riders 20 pesos. If you can't afford to be decent to people who serve you well then don't go there, stay in you home country and be a cheap charlie IMHO.
RainbowLife
10-14-16, 13:00
ISGans, this happened to me in India, am sharing this here reason am silent follower of this forum and now thought of reciprocate something. Further I got some time now to type so here we go.
In my trip to India now, I thought of doing something new instead of regular (boring) banging. Through my trusted contact I came to know that there is virgin available and he told I can take her after testing her virginity. Anyways, I trusted him and asked for photos. Got various photos. Well she is not a model but very good looking, nice skin, hair, decent racks. Chubby face and body structure shows she should be having some belly fat aka baby belly fat. The guy wanted 40 k for her for full night which is around 600 euro. It's high. But I asked him for one night and one day and he agreed. Everything is on menu except anal. Since she is virgin, I worked out to bang her without condom and all set fine.
Double checked if she is above 18 and I told them to bring her valid original ID proof which they did.
Action day, the girl came in nice saree (traditional Indian dress. Just the dress alone is enough to bring you that mood). Wow she looked better in person than in photo. I got her ID proof, checked it and told them I will return it when she leave from place and she agreed. Now the time, man she is extremely shy. Even for a god damn kiss I have to wait patiently. After a long while managed to remove the dress and see those melons, what a sight it is!! Medium sized, fresh, tender and I put whole of that into my mouth and gave a thorough treatment. She seemed to enjoy it with half mind. And then the pussy, thoroughly shaved as agreed already. I started slowly then I just ate that pussy. She was like moaning slightly but it is natural. The smell was good. I asked her to give me blow job which she rejected, after convincing somehow managed to get one. Well, she was not enjoying it which is a bit of turn off. Time to bang. Jonny was like jumping already and I don't want to delay further, inserted me into pussy. Man. What a feel it is.
Cannot explain, it's simply priceless. As I started sliding, to know that her pussy is not that wet which is a bit of turn off. But I enjoyed the tightness. After few minutes, I realized that pussy is getting dried up further. I don't know. She is like nervous or something as it is her first time. Slight irritation in my jhony. By this time, she started moaning / screaming in mild noise. She controlled the moaning / screaming but still I could see and hear it. And probably this natural moaning is the best thing which I experienced to watch ever. As I did it rapidly, she was like stopping me (all these happened in miss position) she was pushing my stomach away from her, using her hands and I kept it above her head, have to hold it tightly I have to say. She said "please complete soon, am not able to bear, please please " (in local language) and she was like about to cry. Again. This is the first time am seeing such thing. Pure heaven. Life at its best. May be the best thing that I could remember till my life is there. I could not control now and Johnny spitted the love juice into that goddess hole. What a feel that was. During the entire act, I had to hold her tightly.
More to share in upcoming posts.
More to share in upcoming posts.Please don't.
IllusionHeart
10-14-16, 19:25
ISGans, this happened to me in India
More to share in upcoming posts.Kindly refrain from posting individual fantasies on this thread.
Please don't.+1. I wouldn't want any more of this crap on AC thread either. There are enough discussion about pricing and runners anyways to deal with.
I just wanted to put in my two cents on tipping.
I tip only when the girl deserves it. I don't tip if the girl provided the expected services for the barfine I paid.
Example one. Pulled a girl from atlantis which was very nice and talkative. She was good in the looks department but average on the body type. I normally would not have bar fined her but since she was very helpful with answering alot of my questions on the current state of things in AC, I decided to barfine her. Back in the room she was an average performer. She gave a good BJ, not entirely GFE, but compliant with what I wanted. After the first round, she stayed and we chatted a bit. Then she asked to leave. Since I was thinking of just sleeping anyways and she wasn't hot enough for me to want to bang again, I decided to let her go. She had the balls to ask for a tip as we were leaving. I told her your tip was going home early, but I'll give you 100 for a trike to get home. No complaint from her.
Example two. Pulled a girl from Shipwreck or something like that. Beautiful young spinner. Skin was flawless and smooth. Sometimes I'm just impressed with how smooth the skin on these girls are. It feels like your running your fingers along butter sometimes. I think we had a very good connection in the bar. I was definitely in to her and she was in to me. We had dinner at kokomo's and back at the hotel, I got one of the best GFE sessions in a while. Top 20 at least. To top it off she let me go in bare. Didn't even pause for a condom she just hopped on and wanted me in her ASAP. She had an amazing pussy. No pussy stank, and she was dripping wet. Stayed most of the night but asked to leave at 7 am as she wanted to take her sister to school. Said she would take care of me again before going and she definitely did. I let her go at 7. I tipped her 2000. That's how great her performance was and what I thought she deserved.
Pay thousands of dollars to go there and then worry about $10 on a tip. Will scrimp on the hotel also.What's the relevance of opportunity cost or hotel choice?
Put yourself in their shoes. They smile, serve you and try to be nice to get an extra $10. You try it with some possible smelly old fart of a guy who is possibly drunk asking you to suck his todget
The smelly / drunk / fat surcharges are really not applicable in my case, but if anyone wants to compensate the girl for their various emissions I do in fact feel it is order.
End of the day, if you want to tip everyone, including AC: s suffering trike drivers, it's really "up to you".
End of the day, if you want to tip everyone, including AC: s suffering trike drivers, it's really "up to you".Go to the rest of the Philippines, the AC trike drivers are the laziest transportation workers in the country. They charge 5 to 25 x anywhere else and nap the majority of the time. I never tipped an AC trike driver in my life the tip is built in and exorbitant. But I have to grudgingly hand it to them they are like a strong union keeping up the prices.
If your humor was wry and dry- then you got me sorry, Pute heheh.
I never tipped an AC trike driver in my life the tip is built in and exorbitant. But I have to grudgingly hand it to them they are like a strong union keeping up the prices.Yes, AC rides are quite out of whack, but there is in fact a reason for that as certain attractive lines in AC can be quite costly. It does not exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Of course the trike drivers will then add their mafia tax on top of that.
If your humor was wry and dry- then you got me sorry, Pute heheh.If I have any, it's probably quite dry. I guess I'll just have to live with that. As long as the pussies are still soaking wet, despite my meager tips, I'm a happy AC camper.
Yes, AC rides are quite out of whack...........True. The other day I had a "taxi" ride from ABC Hotel to the airport at a fixed price of P350. When we got to Clark airport I said "here is your P150 for the (non-metered) ride. (pregnant pause), and here is your P200 tip". He could see the joke. To coin an expression, it is something you have got to swallow. But still a hell of a lot cheaper than a taxi / cab back home.
Go to the rest of the Philippines, the AC trike drivers are the laziest transportation workers in the country. They charge 5 to 25 x anywhere else and nap the majority of the time.
Gentleman, please don't feel special.
They rob EVERYONE, not just tourists / foreigners. If a couple of dollars is going to ruin your whole vacation, don't come, go elsewhere in the Phils. AC will still be here & still be infested with grifters / shake down artists next time you visit.
Gentleman, please don't feel special.
They rob EVERYONE, not just tourists / foreigners. If a couple of dollars is going to ruin your whole vacation, don't come, go elsewhere in the Phils. AC will still be here & still be infested with grifters / shake down artists next time you visit.Yes, maybe I was not clear, they overcharge the locals as well. Agreed. Was just making a factual report. The jeep however is the same anywhere in the country. That is how I deal with avoiding the 'union'. On the Main gate. Friendship line I have never encountered any safety issues, wear tight pants, nothing to snatch and it gets me up and down fields. SM Clark is an easy walk from fields.
I realize the majority of regular posters here stay at the more expensive hotels, for me they are just overpriced. I pay under P1000 per night they store my stuff and never have a problem. I am just offering some advice to those who may want to save some coin. Its curious you advise me to stay away from a place I enjoy and offer simple observations so that others may as well, while its a place you obviously don't like. Kinda weird really.
I go to AC by choice because I have a good time there. Its my jumping off point to other parts of the phils in fact.
I visit many places in the Phils as well as often as I can thank you very much and have posted about my experiences. Its not an either or proposition. If my frugality offends you just ignore my posts.
I am considering a long vacation in Angelses in January and February.
Are there any farmacies in Angeles selling Viagra or generics without prescription?
What are the prices?
I am considering a long vacation in Angelses in January and February.
Are there any farmacies in Angeles selling Viagra or generics without prescription?
What are the prices?Mansons just outside of the gate to 'Walking Street' gates on Don Jueco Ave sells Viagra. Its not near as expensive as in the States, and I've had very good success with it. It may be 'generic', I can't really remember. I can let you know for sure next week, as I will be there Thursday, and its one of my first stops. As you come out of the gate, just keep walking, I think its like two blocks or so, on the left. Its easy to walk by it, as its a very small Pharmacy, and it doesn't look like much, but they are pleasant, and I have never had an issue with getting any there. Good luck, good mongering, be safe.
I will be in Angeles at the tail end of Nov. Any hotel recommendations close to the Fields area?
Will be there for 10 days, so want something that is comfortable yet avg price (something within USD $30-50 per day).
Thanks much!
FredBratten
10-19-16, 22:43
Hi,
I am interested in doing a small review of our shared experiences with taking photos and making videos with bargirls, more specifically the easiness (or difficulty) in getting this done.
On my last trip to AC, December 2015, it was almost no problem to take pictures nude. Just two out of ten girls declined. I did not inquire too much about video but the one girl I asked said yes. My suspicion is that this will not hold true for all girls, obviously.
Any of you want to weigh in on this topic? Feedback from experienced AC travelers is especially valued. Thanks!
I am considering a long vacation in Angelses in January and February.
Are there any farmacies in Angeles selling Viagra or generics without prescription?
What are the prices?The 'Watsons Pharmacy' on the corner of Fields Ave and Teodoro sells genuine ED drugs over the counter without the legally required prescription. They are relatively expensive compared to elsewhere in RP but hey, convenient. There are other pharmacies over in the SM mall. Don't bother.
Generic in fake branded boxes (India product) are available on the streets from hordes of dodgy vendors. In AC these have about a 50/50 chance of being fake drugs (useless) rather than genuine Indian generic.
Recommendation? BYO (with valid prescription for airport border controls) or go to the Watsons.
The 'Watsons Pharmacy' on the corner of Fields Ave and Teodoro sells genuine ED drugs over the counter without the legally required prescription. They are relatively expensive compared to elsewhere in RP but hey, convenient. There are other pharmacies over in the SM mall. Don't bother.
Generic in fake branded boxes (India product) are available on the streets from hordes of dodgy vendors. In AC these have about a 50/50 chance of being fake drugs (useless) rather than genuine Indian generic.
Recommendation? BYO (with valid prescription for airport border controls) or go to the Watsons.That Watsons Drugs at Fields and Teodoro sells a generic Viagra. 50 MG for P100.100 MG for P200. The 50 MG comes without a hard shell and is easy to break up into pieces if you like. The 100 MG comes in a hard shell and will need a knife to cut up.
Just belly up to the counter and ask for either one. No prescription needed. The generic has work great for me. They always have stock on hand. Just look at 10:00 above the cashier desk.
The "Watsons Pharmacy" is actually Manson Drugs on Fields and Teodoro across from Cebuana. All other information is correct.
Watsons has two locations inside SM mall.
BrainDrain
10-20-16, 13:07
I am considering a long vacation in Angelses in January and February.
Are there any farmacies in Angeles selling Viagra or generics without prescription?
What are the prices?You can also buy it in (almost) any generics pharmacy. There is a generics across the McArthur Highway at the end of Walking St.
There is another one on Narcisio about 80 meters on the right walking from Fields.
I forget the prices but it is fine.
I would not buy (again) from any street vendor, who knows what is in that shit.
I almost always take pics and vids of the girls but it is up to the girl. Many of them will not not participate in a porno with their face but some love it. The Filipinos are nuts about getting their picture taken with their clothes on. They also take pics of food a lot. I don't have facebook and promise them that I won't show the nudies / pornos to anybody. I'm sure Westie has a take on this! He's the king of the photo gallery for PI! /
Hi,
I am interested in doing a small review of our shared experiences with taking photos and making videos with bargirls, more specifically the easiness (or difficulty) in getting this done.
On my last trip to AC, December 2015, it was almost no problem to take pictures nude. Just two out of ten girls declined. I did not inquire too much about video but the one girl I asked said yes. My suspicion is that this will not hold true for all girls, obviously.
Any of you want to weigh in on this topic? Feedback from experienced AC travelers is especially valued. Thanks!.
Chocha Monger
10-22-16, 00:28
You can also buy it in (almost) any generics pharmacy. There is a generics across the McArthur Highway at the end of Walking St.
There is another one on Narcisio about 80 meters on the right walking from Fields.
I forget the prices but it is fine.
I would not buy (again) from any street vendor, who knows what is in that shit.Has anyone been killed or seriously injured due to consumption of Angeles City street Viagra? I think there was a post some time ago about a monger going into a coma and being evacuated from the bar as a street vendor laughed about having sold the guy counterfeit Viagra only minutes before he collapsed.
Engine Driver
10-22-16, 09:49
Many people bar fine girls for a few days and take them on excursions outside of AC. Has anyone ever had to deal with a medical emergency or other urgent issues involving the girl? If so, what did you do in that moment of panic and how did you recover the situation? I'd be very keen to take a girl out for a few days to Subic, Manila or elsewhere, but if anything were to go wrong with the girl, my life as I know it back home would start to unravel pretty quickly.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 10:19
Day 1: Jet lagged tired didn't do a damn thing but sleep. Got up sat by pool. Went back to sleep.
Day 2: Woke up good to go. I just hung out at the 5 or so bars right next to the Clarkton not many lookers at all. Visited F 1 first, line up was not good. 1 really nice girl thou. I might try for her at a later time But didn't even call a girl down but If I did It would have been her the only one in the whole bar worth a drink even. Next bar in the one right beside it ORANGE bar I think. Called down a girl bought a drink but they just assumed a double and I felt ripped off and screwed over when they do that but I take my mistake has not being on my scam alert game being its my 2nd day back and I took things for granted. Anyways nice enough girl but felt the bar fucked me so I will not return. I Found a girl in After school that looked nice but has luck would have it she is on a long term bar fine from a Korean guy and don't go out. Nice 30 minute conversation I guess for the cost of a drink. Will return because the line up there has some nice girls and will try one of them. Next was roadies and they seem do not like anyone in there besides Koreans. I bet this has never happened to anyone else but I sat down and ordered a drink and when the Owner realized I was there he pulled every dancer off the stage. Talk about feeling unwelcome damn amazing my money is not worth anything to him I guess so if your not Korean your SOL at Roadies now it seem. LIA did a renovation so it looks better didn't stay long but will go back to do a better scouting trip because I have away found a nice girl there. Did notice lots of Americans at LIA and have come to the conclusion its the only bar left in this section of bars that don't cater to mostly Koreans. Last bar Girls Generation which seems to do things KTV style cause the girls just sat up there on stage waiting to be picked like a fish bowl Took a girl ST who promised to saty 3 hrs but started with the excuses has soon has the 1st pop got done no luck again getting them to fill the agreed terms of serve Yet another example of the Korean invasion cause they seem to like the wam bam and leave. Observations The Bars by the Clarkton hotel have been invaded by Koreans will more then likely avoid for the rest of the trip. Damn shame to I have had some fun times and these bars, Feels like a end of a era.
Day3: Hit several bars on fields Owls nest, Viking, Club Asia a little one called Hollywood something and a few others. In Viking I ran into the old Mirrors club Mamasan and like back at her time at Mirrors she had a good amount of lookers staffing the place. Found a girl but got sticker shock when they said the EWR was 3000. I just couldn't get myself to pay that amount so I didn't take her, But Might go back later for her thou, once I realize the prices are what they are and the old prices are never coming back. Just have to accept the Korean take over and that means higher prices for worse service. Observations: Not one bar I walked into had girls in bikinis. This town is going to shit I guess cause who wants to go see a bunch of fully dresses girls in a go go bar? 3 days into it I thinking this might be my last trip here cause. I take my money and get what I want in Pattyaya which is fully nude girls or at least girls in bikinis. Ended up going home alone disappointed.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 10:31
Many people bar fine girls for a few days and take them on excursions outside of AC. Has anyone ever had to deal with a medical emergency or other urgent issues involving the girl? If so, what did you do in that moment of panic and how did you recover the situation? I'd be very keen to take a girl out for a few days to Subic, Manila or elsewhere, but if anything were to go wrong with the girl, my life as I know it back home would start to unravel pretty quickly.I have often taking a long term travel companions with me MY M. O is to usually try to find a girl that is from the region of the country I plan on going to and offer her a way to see her family for a few days when she otherwise would not. So far I never had a girl not take the offer. I have had difficultly sometimes finding a girl from that area that; s somewhat also attractive so it don't always work. I have never had a issue with a injury or a medical condition with any of them so I can't really speak on it, but I would assume I would just deal with it has it comes and take her to the hospital.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 10:41
I was just there in AC and when I took hotties from Perimeter bars they weren't happy w / 500 pesos. So if that's the case why go there?
Tipping a 1000 pesos is making it difficult for the other mongers. I don't want to tip 1000 pesos but when others do it I am pressured to do it too.
It doesn't matter what makes you (the monger) feel good. It matters what is best for everyone. That's what's important.
If you want to spoil AC than tip 1000 pesos to the BGs. The BG boyfriends thank you kindly but I don't.Its getting to the point here in AC that your not getting value for your money anymore. 1000 peso tip is absurd and there is a price point on every good or service where you feel ripped the fuck off.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 21:54
Well my second night on fields has been another disappointment in the quality of the girls I am seeing. Hit another 10 or so bars including Geckos Lollypop Rhapsody and LaBamba or the Quads has I like to call them since they are all right there in a little row. These 4 bars might have about 40 girls or more in them and from what I seen I didn't find very many lookers. Fact is I seen some of the ugliest dogs I have ever seen in my life up on those stages MY god who the hell would ever pick one of them. I had one drink in each and only LaBamba and Rhapsody has anything I would consider a revisit for and even then it was 2-3 girls tops. Popped into a few other bars ship wreaked monsoon red. And seen a few nice girls bought them a drink and got mostly short term offers No long times which I am starting to believe is becoming a thing of the past. Seems to be a lot of girls that want to dictate the terms of the contract agreement between the 2 parties which has given me frustration in negotiating. I refuse to pay for services that don't meet my requirements. I want long time for long time money not short time for long time money. I am actually hoping to find a few clingers just to insure they stay till the time I want them to leave not when they do. So the score so far is 3 for 3 runners. Day 5 will have me hit the middle perimeter bars like candybar and det 5 to see if I can find a clinger and maybe chill with her for a few days. I have my doubts thou. Observations: girls are getting uglier not prettier. 99 pct of the bars I have been to the waitresses were the among more attractive girls in the bar. GFE is becoming harder and harder to find. A night out on fields is also costing you a lot more and you have to manage your budget a lot more tighter. I will keep soldiering on however in my quest to find that old fashion GFE the Philippines was once known for.
Engine Driver
10-22-16, 22:03
Fact is I seen some of the ugliest dogs I have ever seen in my life up on those stages MY god who the hell would ever pick one of them. This sounds like the bikini contest I went to in Angeles at the Score Birds Hotel. You would think that any organiser of a swimsuit contest would have slim, pretty girls on show, but apart from a couple of hotties, most of the contestants and dancers were ugly as hell. You would think that these big clubs (Atlantis, Doll House, Crystal Palace) would generally have (a) pretty girls and (b) would send their hottest talent to the contest. But alas, no! I guess that's Filipino logic in action.
Having said all this, the bikini contest was a lot of fun and they provided a very nice meal.
WestCoast1
10-22-16, 22:25
Fact is I seen some of the ugliest dogs I have ever seen in my life up on those stages MY god who the hell would ever pick one of them. I had one drink in each and only LaBamba and Rhapsody has anything I would consider a revisit for and even then it was 2-3 girls tops.Question. We read that a lot these days, that there are fewer and fewer lookers (and less GFE) in the AC bars. Would it not be better to walk in, have a stroll in front of the stage, THEN deciding whether to waste money sitting and having a drink? The bars seem to have us hooked on the scenario: Walk in, sit, order a drink, mama / waitress tries to bring a girl over for LD, etcetera. In reality you don't need to sit, nor order a drink, nor stay if you don't see your quota of acceptable girls; just walk away. The bars have us well-trained.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 23:10
Kindly refrain from posting individual fantasies on this thread.
+1. I wouldn't want any more of this crap on AC thread either. There are enough discussion about pricing and runners anyways to deal with.Price and runners seem to be a trending realization when mongering in AC. Since this is a mongering discussion sight those topics need to be discussed since it it those topics that are the center of AC appeal GFE for a cheap price.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 23:41
Question. We read that a lot these days, that there are fewer and fewer lookers (and less GFE) in the AC bars. Would it not be better to walk in, have a stroll in front of the stage, THEN deciding whether to waste money sitting and having a drink? The bars seem to have us hooked on the scenario: Walk in, sit, order a drink, mama / waitress tries to bring a girl over for LD, etcetera. In reality you don't need to sit, nor order a drink, nor stay if you don't see your quota of acceptable girls; just walk away. The bars have us well-trained.While I agree with your points to a extent and I have walked into many bars and Scanned the place has best you can and leave repeating it over and over again at bar after bar but I feel it does not allow you enough time to find the diamonds in the ruff cause they might not be on the stage yet or it might just be a waitress that's the best looking girl in the bar. Buying a drink allows you time to see both sets of dancers and it also allows for a few of the girls to grow on you from your initial impression of them. I have often blew off a set of girls only to find a few of them more attractive has I get a better look at them. There are so many girls up on some of those stages that a initial walk thru could result in missing the ones that were being blocked by the uglier girls. Plus you can sit and watch the girls and somewhat try to determine personality. Shy girls tend to gravitate to the back of the stage and the aggressive ones up front waving at you. It also gives you enough time to scan the place for the girls sitting with other guys which they picked out before you got there and were more then likely the better of the bunch since they got picked 1st. Sometimes this guys leave and don't take them and she just might be the hottest one but you have to wait to see if he takes her so order drink and chill. This can also work in the oppose way when they have lots of attractive girls and then you have to pick from to many good one then you need time to narrow it down to just one.
Streetlooker
10-22-16, 23:49
This sounds like the bikini contest I went to in Angeles at the Score Birds Hotel. You would think that any organiser of a swimsuit contest would have slim, pretty girls on show, but apart from a couple of hotties, most of the contestants and dancers were ugly as hell. You would think that these big clubs (Atlantis, Doll House, Crystal Palace) would generally have (a) pretty girls and (b) would send their hottest talent to the contest. But alas, no! I guess that's Filipino logic in action.
Having said all this, the bikini contest was a lot of fun and they provided a very nice meal.Any of those girls in those bikini contest would rate a 10 compared to the dogs I have been seeing. I am talking excessive cellulite. Girls so ugly they could be in freak shows. Fact is, I got thinking a few of those girls were up there because they were so ugly you couldn't stop looking at them and its a marketing ploy to get customers into the bar.
Member #4558
10-23-16, 01:29
This sounds like the bikini contest I went to in Angeles at the Score Birds Hotel. You would think that any organiser of a swimsuit contest would have slim, pretty girls on show, but apart from a couple of hotties, most of the contestants and dancers were ugly as hell. You would think that these big clubs (Atlantis, Doll House, Crystal Palace) would generally have (a) pretty girls and (b) would send their hottest talent to the contest. But alas, no! I guess that's Filipino logic in action.
Having said all this, the bikini contest was a lot of fun and they provided a very nice meal.Regarding hotties and the obvious lack of them in AC, couldn't this be due to the new environment rising where barowners, mamas / papas have less and less control over their prostitutes. I guess most of the pretty ones knows this by now, if not by them self so at least through the jungletelegraph, and would now how to exploit this. Maybe they just say they don't want to perform in a bikini contest and they can more or less operate how they want. They know they can just complaint to IJM / NGO / PNP and woah raids are coming.
And secondly, one thing I never understood for a very long time myself, why would any hottie work in a bar when she can earn loads of money herself, being free (datingsites, HiSo, FL'ing etc etc)? I think hotties have so many opportunities so they run seeking fortune elsewhere. Almost 100/100 have huge WU contracts anyway so why bother with a sleazy bar.
That being said, this was only outside observations and thoughts because I never liked them bars anyway and never visited them neither in AC nor Burgous / EDSA.
Many people bar fine girls for a few days and take them on excursions outside of AC. Has anyone ever had to deal with a medical emergency or other urgent issues involving the girl? I've taken girls to Boracay and Palawan via Air and have purchased insurance with the airline ticket to cover medical costs. I think on Cebu Pacific it was less than 400 pesos. Fortunately have never had an emergency yet.
Any of those girls in those bikini contest would rate a 10 compared to the dogs I have been seeing. I am talking excessive cellulite. Girls so ugly they could be in freak shows. Fact is, I got thinking a few of those girls were up there because they were so ugly you couldn't stop looking at them and its a marketing ploy to get customers into the bar.My last visit was in August / September. I have never experienced such a precipitous drop in quality of girls. Sure they are getting more picky and have so many more options not just Korean / Jap guys but also keeping in touch with any former customer through all the chat apps.
If you are looking for easy access to "stunners" or 8's or 9's whatever that means, you may be disappointed in 2016. The girls have options so we still have to have some game to bag the elite young ones. I can still pull the occasional recently arrived cute 18 to 22 yo but I am getting a bit long on the tooth so my average has dropped on bagging them. I tend to place the onus on me rather that them. The only variable we can control is ourselves and our demeanor and attitude.
Better to adapt your expectations and game to the current situation, or find a better alternative. Its not like a new AC is popping up in SE asia lately.
Lower you expectations and smile and enjoy Day 6+ is my humble advice.
Chocha Monger
10-23-16, 02:22
Many people bar fine girls for a few days and take them on excursions outside of AC. Has anyone ever had to deal with a medical emergency or other urgent issues involving the girl? If so, what did you do in that moment of panic and how did you recover the situation? I'd be very keen to take a girl out for a few days to Subic, Manila or elsewhere, but if anything were to go wrong with the girl, my life as I know it back home would start to unravel pretty quickly.I have had this sort of thing happen to me twice. Once with a regular girl and the other with a bar girl. The bar girl incident was the most scary. I was looking at TV when I heard a loud crash in the bathroom then total silence. I called out but there was no reply. So, I jumped out of bed and went to investigate. The bar girl was laid out cold on the floor of the bathroom and not responding to verbal or physical attempts to rouse her. My first concern was making sure that her head had not struck the sink or toilet bowl on the way down. I checked her head for blood and any signs of contusions. There was not any blood gushing out. I was still terrified that she may have broken her neck so I did not attempt to move her. I just had to start CPR there on the floor of the bathroom until I got a pulse and she started breathing again.
What was going through my mind during all of this? Shit! Shit! Shit! How do I get this girl down from the sixth floor using the narrow stairs? Why did the elevator have to be out of service on this particular night! If she dies, how do I explain this to the front desk and the friendly local policemen? What spin would the local media put on a dead Filipino bar girl in a foreigner's room? How would her family react, would they resort to extortion to make good on a bad situation?
Anyway, I managed to resuscitate her. I wanted to get her to the hospital as soon as possible. However, like most Filipinos she refused all attempts to take her to the hospital. After asking her some questions and examining her further, I was able to determine that she had an allergic reaction and went into shock. I spent the rest of the night monitoring her condition as she could not walk and I was not going attempt carrying her down the stairs on my own. It was one of the longest nights of my life. She did not want me to contact the bar or her friends because she was obviously concerned that it would mean an end to her employment. The next morning I took her to a doctor and he said it was safe to let her go off on her own.
I do not recommend taking girls off to remote areas without having a full medical examination conducted by a physician of your choosing. Filipinos tend to hide chronic illnesses that could result in an emergency situation. I have come across cases where girls hid the fact that they needed dialysis regularly or insulin shots only have them confess when the illness incapacitated them. Some of the situations could have been prevented with prior notice and following a medical treatment plan. However, with a culture of shame concerning illness and the reluctance to seek medical attention due to economic reasons do not expect the girls to volunteer any information concerning life threatening medical conditions.
NapaSlapper
10-23-16, 03:24
Streetlooker,
I feel for you, as you have found out and my recent trip reports have claimed, the girls in Angeles are much fatter, much uglier, full of excuses not to barfine and when they do its 1 pop and out the door for full payment and expected large tip.
Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less cost.
For me Angeles has become a Korean town, the girls like the way they monger, spending large in the bar and not always leaving with the girls, those who do barfine like 1 pop and out the door, Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud, maybe the latter was possible some years back but in the new Angeles the better looking girls have Koreans queuing up for their services so do not have to sell dreams to lonely old westerners to earn large IMHO.
We have many reports on this board of Angeles bars full of stunner, full of girls willing to stay all night for next to no money, I say make a recent visit and stop dreaming, Angeles has changed big time since the raids of a few years ago, the girls are fully clothed, many seek out Koreans only, many are drinks only girls, the stages are full of ugly fatter girls that some might like and call stunners, for me I would say that on average only 1 in every 1000 Angeles girls is worth buying a drink for if one is remotely fussy.
For the guys that are willing to keep lowering their expectations with every Angeles visit then I say knock yourself out, as I have said many times, there is only one reason to visit Angeles now and that is for bareback sex with older, uglier, fatter girls IMHO, yes I know my comments will upset some of the hardcore members but in all fairness newbies want to know what is happening as of now in Angeles and the news is not at all good.
Westerners have deserted Angeles in big numbers over the last few years, that's just fact, walk into any bar and if there is 10 customers most times there will be no westerners, many friends who would once jump at the chance of joining me on my business / mongering trip to Angeles are just not interested in leaving Pattaya / Bangkok to visit Angeles.
Anyways, I hope your trip street-looker improves greatly in the coming days, I have always found Atlantis bar has the best lookers but obviously at the highest prices with lots of bullshit thrown in but make a visit, be patient, buy some drinks, have some fun and should you get lucky like I recently did in Atlantis then a memorable night might be had, good luck you will need it LOL.
While I agree with your points to a extent and I have walked into many bars and Scanned the place has best you can and leave repeating it over and over again at bar after bar but I feel it does not allow you enough time to find the diamonds in the ruff cause they might not be on the stage yet or it might just be a waitress that's the best looking girl in the bar. Buying a drink allows you time to see both sets of dancers and it also allows for a few of the girls to grow on you from your initial impression of them. I have often blew off a set of girls only to find a few of them more attractive has I get a better look at them. There are so many girls up on some of those stages that a initial walk thru could result in missing the ones that were being blocked by the uglier girls. Plus you can sit and watch the girls and somewhat try to determine personality. Shy girls tend to gravitate to the back of the stage and the aggressive ones up front waving at you. It also gives you enough time to scan the place for the girls sitting with other guys which they picked out before you got there and were more then likely the better of the bunch since they got picked 1st. Sometimes this guys leave and don't take them and she just might be the hottest one but you have to wait to see if he takes her so order drink and chill. This can also work in the oppose way when they have lots of attractive girls and then you have to pick from to many good one then you need time to narrow it down to just one.Would agree about the shy ones. I have been in bars where the ugly ones are up front and in your face. They are trying hard to get bar fined. I have taken my time and scanned the whole bunch and have on occasions found a gem at the back. Not drop dead stunners but very hot anyway. They offered great services and once in the room where great fun.
A mate also walked up to the dance floor in Red Bar and virtually pushed his way to grab one shy at the back. She had a great body and pretty face. Initially very shy but once we took her bar hoping and to HS to dance she was a rocket. I did not notice her at all at Red Bar as she was tucked at the back.
So take your time and look beyond the first row. Sometimes there are gems to be found. All part of the hunt.
Happy hunting.
Streetlooker
10-23-16, 10:45
My last visit was in August / September. I have never experienced such a precipitous drop in quality of girls. Sure they are getting more picky and have so many more options not just Korean / Jap guys but also keeping in touch with any former customer through all the chat apps.
If you are looking for easy access to "stunners" or 8's or 9's whatever that means, you may be disappointed in 2016. The girls have options so we still have to have some game to bag the elite young ones. I can still pull the occasional recently arrived cute 18 to 22 yo but I am getting a bit long on the tooth so my average has dropped on bagging them. I tend to place the onus on me rather that them. The only variable we can control is ourselves and our demeanor and attitude.
Better to adapt your expectations and game to the current situation, or find a better alternative. Its not like a new AC is popping up in SE asia lately.
Lower you expectations and smile and enjoy Day 6+ is my humble advice.Just trying to give a blunt update on the ground situation. But things are looking up with more recent new bar visits. It just might be I picked the 10 worst bars for girls to start the trip still 40 plus to see. I am up to about 20 targets for future encounters. I will get to at least 5 or so of them so its all good. My attitude just has to adjust to a higher financial investment it is what it is.
Mr Enternational
10-23-16, 14:04
Question. We read that a lot these days, that there are fewer and fewer lookers (and less GFE) in the AC bars. Would it not be better to walk in, have a stroll in front of the stage, THEN deciding whether to waste money sitting and having a drink? The bars seem to have us hooked on the scenario: Walk in, sit, order a drink, mama / waitress tries to bring a girl over for LD, etcetera. In reality you don't need to sit, nor order a drink, nor stay if you don't see your quota of acceptable girls; just walk away. The bars have us well-trained.The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.
All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.
My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.
The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.
All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.
My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.Excellent Mr International. This is for sure the best advise. One thing though. Once they are out with you treat them like a human.
Cheers.
A158.
Streetlooker
10-24-16, 05:53
Streetlooker,
I feel for you, as you have found out and my recent trip reports have claimed, the girls in Angeles are much fatter, much uglier, full of excuses not to barfine and when they do its 1 pop and out the door for full payment and expected large tip.
Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less cost.
For me Angeles has become a Korean town, the girls like the way they monger, spending large in the bar and not always leaving with the girls, those who do barfine like 1 pop and out the door, Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud, maybe the latter was possible some years back but in the new Angeles the better looking girls have Koreans queuing up for their services so do not have to sell dreams to lonely old westerners to earn large IMHO.
We have many reports on this board of Angeles bars full of stunner, full of girls willing to stay all night for next to no money, I say make a recent visit and stop dreaming, Angeles has changed big time since the raids of a few years ago, the girls are fully clothed, many seek out Koreans only, many are drinks only girls, the stages are full of ugly fatter girls that some might like and call stunners, for me I would say that on average only 1 in every 1000 Angeles girls is worth buying a drink for if one is remotely fussy.
For the guys that are willing to keep lowering their expectations with every Angeles visit then I say knock yourself out, as I have said many times, there is only one reason to visit Angeles now and that is for bareback sex with older, uglier, fatter girls IMHO, yes I know my comments will upset some of the hardcore members but in all fairness newbies want to know what is happening as of now in Angeles and the news is not at all good.
Westerners have deserted Angeles in big numbers over the last few years, that's just fact, walk into any bar and if there is 10 customers most times there will be no westerners, many friends who would once jump at the chance of joining me on my business / mongering trip to Angeles are just not interested in leaving Pattaya / Bangkok to visit Angeles.
Anyways, I hope your trip street-looker improves greatly in the coming days, I have always found Atlantis bar has the best lookers but obviously at the highest prices with lots of bullshit thrown in but make a visit, be patient, buy some drinks, have some fun and should you get lucky like I recently did in Atlantis then a memorable night might be had, good luck you will need it LOL.I agree why should you have to lower your expectations from the service you are used to receive. I can totally understand the price increases that's just the way it is. BUT I don't understand the drop in service provided and the bait and switch tactics I seem to be seeing has a norm. The Korean invasion is in full blown mode and soon you will not be able to tell if your in Seoul or AC.
Streetlooker
10-24-16, 06:06
The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.
All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.
My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.Got to admit I have used this technique with a good pct rate of success. Just blind random picking a bar picking a girl you really don't know what you are going to get. I actually used it yesterday and has luck would have it the girl I picked was a cherry and would go with me but for barhopping and sleep only. Another Damn way the Koreans have fucked up mongering because they except the sleep only deal. Next few day I am using this method and lets see what kid of results we get.
LifeIsABeach
10-24-16, 07:26
How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price.Agreed. This should not be something new for a monger anywhere. I do this everywhere in different cities and countries where there are hos and we know the game and they do the game. I even go further and ask if they do sexual acts like BBBJ. CIM, Anal etc so both parties know what's agreed. This is not looking for a girlfriend. It's simply for sexual enjoyment and the girl is getting paid for it. The need for lady drinks does not exist unless someone just wants to buy the girl a drink.
Another Damn way the Koreans have fucked up mongering because they except the sleep only deal. I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.
Lessen their expectations too, it's a 2 way street. I agree the talent is down but that fluctuates and it just takes a little more effort on the monger's part. I saw many nice lookers, the stunners (very few) are not available to the western monger, same as in Thailand.
As for the Ks yes they are over running the place and building 10 story hotels recking the dirty ambience that is AC. That said, if they weren't there it would have been a ghost town so the hotels like them, the ladies like them, etc. Without them most hotels would go out of business.
How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.
Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.
Guys claim, lower your expectations, I say why should one have to, many other near bye destinations offer slimmer, much better looking girls that are mostly all willing to barfine and perform what was promised in the bar to the punter at very similar costs and many times less
Where might these other destinations be? I would love to know. If you're going to say Thailand than you're really in for arrogant (expensive, full of rules) hotties. You will still have to lower your expectations, Asians have the inside track (big time) for the best Thai bar girls.
Where are these nearby places w / the slimmer, better looking women that perform to your satisfaction at similar cost?? Where?
Koreans see prostitution for what it is fuck pay and show her the door, unlike most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud,
Your opinion here is where your weakness is and why you have such a low opinion of hard working women who sacrifice a lot to help themselves and their families. This low self esteem comment is meant to help who? You?
There are a lot of professions where people prostitute themselves such as lawyers, bankers, brokers, etc.
The dancers and bar girls look at you and know what you think of them and who can blame them from steering clear of you? Don't worry, you're not alone and in fact (thank you) make the rest of us look good. The rest of us being guys who want to enjoy their company as well as their sex.
Yes, most of the time it is paid for lust but if you play them right "w / some class" you can get the real GFE, true bliss. But guys w / little hearts will not experience this kind of session much, you being one of them hence all the whining.
The whole reason to go to AC (or other PI locales) is to enjoy lengthly ST w / whatever it is you want to do w / your BF. I always do whatever I want to do there. There is no clock there like there is in Bangkok or Pattaya. There are no rules w / taking photos if I want to take them. And if I want to feel skin to skin.
That is also available. What's wrong w / that?
Many ladies are good company and so if I want to hang out w / them it sure as fuck not about my self esteem. It's about having fun. If you can do it you might like it too, having fun that is. The quote of yours I'm referring to now needed to be put right. Don't put other mongers down because you.
Don't like women (or good hearted fun) and that's what bar girls are, women.
Otherwise good luck.
NapaSlapper
10-24-16, 16:12
With respect not sure what part of most are not interested in lowering their levels to 6's, I want the best 1% Angeles has to offer, not interested in just fucking anything to put notches on my bed post.
Yes some guys like to put prostitutes on a pedal stool and worship them, I am not one, I certainly don't buy into the crazy notion that Angeles prostitutes have no other option open to them but to sell their pussy to make money, they mostly are in the business for the large easy money IMHO.
Its funny how 80 million pinoys can put food on the table but the few thousand prostitutes cannot, the mind boggles with some of your claims soccer it really does.
As for better destinations to Angeles I would say that all the other Asian destinations have better looking. Slimmer, willing girls that what can be found in the bars of Angeles city.
As I have said many times, if you like what is available in Angeles knock yourself out, but please do not get defensive when other members point out that they see fat ugly girls on most Angeles bars, we report what we see which is exactly the point of this board.
I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.
Lessen their expectations too, it's a 2 way street. I agree the talent is down but that fluctuates and it just takes a little more effort on the monger's part. I saw many nice lookers, the stunners (very few) are not available to the western monger, same as in Thailand.
As for the Ks yes they are over running the place and building 10 story hotels recking the dirty ambience that is AC. That said, if they weren't there it would have been a ghost town so the hotels like them, the ladies like them, etc. Without them most hotels would go out of business.
So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.
Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.
Where might these other destinations be? I would love to know. If you're going to say Thailand than you're really in for arrogant (expensive, full of rules) hotties. You will still have to lower your expectations, Asians have the inside track (big time) for the best Thai bar girls.
Where are these nearby places w / the slimmer, better looking women that perform to your satisfaction at similar cost?? Where?
Your opinion here is where your weakness is and why you have such a low opinion of hard working women who sacrifice a lot to help themselves and their families. This low self esteem comment is meant to help who? You?
There are a lot of professions where people prostitute themselves such as lawyers, bankers, brokers, etc.
The dancers and bar girls look at you and know what you think of them and who can blame them from steering clear of you? Don't worry, you're not alone and in fact (thank you) make the rest of us look good. The rest of us being guys who want to enjoy their company as well as their sex..Socker,
I just wanted to raise a voice backing you up.
While I understand why veteran mongers would use the point & click strategy elsewhere (FKKs, Macau saunas, etc.), feeling out a BG by talking a bit is a major factor in achieving the desired experience.
I have also found that in AC it is quite easy to find girls that will be affectionate and want to stay long if they feel you are nice / fun.
I can't say that this means "I have game" like Socker mentioned, just that I treat girls with dignity and come in a playful mood.
If the girl is a shark or being bitchy, I would find that out within 2 minutes and before ever buying a drink, whereas girls that are going to provide good service will usually respond to a customer spreading a positive vibe.
I still consider AC a very good destination for westerners and think that Filipino girls are great company.
In short I agree with Socker on most of his statements.
Enjoy, don't hate.
D
AsianLover2
10-25-16, 00:14
I was there in September and I had a good time. I have some game at 60 + and I can pull decent lookers (cute sexy 6's /7's w / nice bodies). The guys bitching might be lacking in some way and the ladies they want don't want them. But 80% of the dancers are looking to make money so they will also.
Otherwise good luck.I was there in October and reported in a previous posting. Everyone (except the daytime girls) stayed all night. 3 were 7's, 3 were 8's and 1 was a solid 8. 5/9. I will be back in February for visit number 47 in 13 years to enjoy the company and fun times with the girls. In and out of the bedroom. So far, the Koreans have not really cut into my action at all and I am pretty selective. If you go to AC only looking for a hole with a heartbeat, you will probably experience the dark, 'no-fun anymore' view of some of the posters on this site. Then maybe is it time to monger elsewhere.
Fastpiston
10-25-16, 02:53
The bars have nobody trained. These people have trained themselves. How many times have I said to pay the chick after and everyone acts as if it doesn't work that way? How many times have I said to walk in, see a girl, and ask how much she wants and everyone acts as if that is blasphemous? They think they have to butter the chick up first with drinks or get some type of vibe.
All I can think that it is maybe because they are not used to being with normal women, so their mindset is to approach the hooker as if she was not a hooker. I am under no illusion that when I go to AC I am walking into a hooker den. The girls come ready to fuck and ready to get paid. All I need to do is settle on a price. So to me, I don't need to talk to a mamasan, I don't need to buy the blessing of her best friend in the bar. I can walk in and point a girl out and say let's go; how much are we talking and negotiate a price. I am not one to say that coming to an agreed upon price is breaking some type of fantasized mood.
My dad always told me that when you are in a hohouse you act like a ho. Others believe they are going to a State dinner where they need to dress to impress and put on their best manners, all for the privilege of buying some pussy. To me, when buying pussy the only thing that counts is having enough money to pay for it. Save all the other shit for normal chicks.You have not seen the last of it! Some simpletons even go and put a marriage ring on the bar girl hooker!
Streetlooker
10-25-16, 03:03
Day 5 and day 6 has started to see thing turn around thou not drastically. I am still seeing to many old ladies and fuglys on the stages but I have also begin to see some cute ones and there is still enough of them that I will enjoy. I visited the big 4 Tropix, CP BD and Atlantis and they had a bunch of pretty good lookers, but I never wanted to spend the money in those higher end places because I want to stick with my budget. Good news: those bars have somewhat taken the 2-3 tier systems down and now its a flat 3000 for a EWR anyone in the bar you can find. On previous visits I always seemed to put the higher end girls at 4-5 k for there services and I am not about that price range however I am readjusting my budget to absorb the higher costs and will soon be out pulling the girls I want. Day 7 forward should have me out has usual and having a good time.
Observation rants: Has per every other trip I have also been seeing some filthy fat slobs walking into bars has customers, talk and not caring for ones self, some of theses guys look like they have not seen a shower in weeks and have been in the same wifebeater forever. I am going to give one hottie over at Dollhouse a lot of credits for her actress skills because she sat there getting groped pussy grabbed and everything else you can think of by that stinky fat slob all for the price of a 3 dollar drink. Thankfully for her 1 drink was probably all he could afford because he left after just one and she could not go to the back to take a shower fast enough ha ha ha! . And what's with the custom for Indian groups (I assume they were Indians with the head gear I could be wrong) to share girls with each other. A group of 7 guys bought 3 girls a drinks and then they took turns rotating the girls around so that each guy got each girl to sit next to them. I heard the stories of them buying girls and taking them back to their room where others are waiting also. I just shake my head in disbelieve about this sort of stuff.
Streetlooker
10-25-16, 03:14
Socker,
I just wanted to raise a voice backing you up.
While I understand why veteran mongers would use the point & click strategy elsewhere (FKKs, Macau saunas, etc.), feeling out a BG by talking a bit is a major factor in achieving the desired experience.
I have also found that in AC it is quite easy to find girls that will be affectionate and want to stay long if they feel you are nice / fun.
I can't say that this means "I have game" like Socker mentioned, just that I treat girls with dignity and come in a playful mood.
If the girl is a shark or being bitchy, I would find that out within 2 minutes and before ever buying a drink, whereas girls that are going to provide good service will usually respond to a customer spreading a positive vibe.
I still consider AC a very good destination for westerners and think that Filipino girls are great company.
In short I agree with Socker on most of his statements.
Enjoy, don't hate.
DThe problem with point and click is that you might get a cherry girl and its all shot right then and there. Of course you could just send her back up and get another one But that sort of kills my mood because I want my 1st choice. I just leave the bar and repeat at another. You also might pick a girl on her cycle or who smokes which is a disquafier for me no matter how good looking she is, Other hazards you pick a girl with a local baby who will never go long time. Point and click IMO is for short times not longtime.
NapaSlapper
10-25-16, 03:42
You have not seen the last of it! Some simpletons even go and put a marriage ring on the bar girl hooker!Funny how some guys adore Angeles prostitutes, they claim, she is not a prostitute she is a bargirl and she is only a bargirl because she is so unfortunate in life, all the while building up some love story in their own mind.
Many guys are so hooked that they buy the house and lot, they buy father in law a new truck, they buy mother in law a new scooter and fridge, they pick up all the expenses for the whole family, only to come back to most monger boards and scream out loud with a broken heart / dreams I was fleeced, she has gone back to her pinoy husband / boyfriend and taken the lot, I now have to return back home with not a cent.
They claim, I am not lonely, I do not have self esteem issues, I like the company and conversation of Angeles prostitutes, exactly what they find to talk about to a girl a third of their age who was brought up in a village hut with no education, no TV, no books and no worldly knowledge is just mind blowing.
Its funny that on asking many Angeles expats who married prostitutes would they have done the same thing with a western prostitute all look at me like I am crazy, the mind is sure good at playing tricks on us LOL.
With respect not sure what part of most are not interested in lowering their levels to 6's, I want the best 1% Angeles has to offer, not interested in just fucking anything to put notches on my bed post.Okay good. You most be that one western guy I saw in my 12 days there w / a hot stunner. You are getting the most beautiful women in AC. My hats off to you. But knowing you're a nut my 6 is probably your 10 so skip the kudos.
Yes some guys like to put prostitutes on a pedal stool and worship them, I am not one, I certainly don't buy into the crazy notion that Angeles prostitutes have no other option open to them but to sell their pussy to make money, they mostly are in the business for the large easy money IMHO.I thought I made myself clear but some guys just won't read and comprehend the words. No one is putting anyone on a pedal stool and if they wanted to it's their choice. How does it benefit you to rain on their parade? Some guys like to enjoy the company of a woman (and not get it over quickly like you) whether she sells her body or not, to most she's still a woman. To you apparently they are something less than that. Is it okay if some of us are different than you or do you have to bash everyone who doesn't play the game the way you do?
If I like a dancer enough to buy her dinner what's it you? This is a big issue for you? Do you think I want to hear your whining all the time? Shit. What a bummer you are.
Its funny how 80 million pinoys can put food on the table but the few thousand prostitutes cannot, the mind boggles with some of your claims soccer it really does.Again more ugliness. Have you walked in their shoes? Do you know what it's like to work 2 8 hour jobs w / no breaks? Standing on your feet all day selling KFC? Then after that eat quickly and go to your night job. Who TF are you to criticize any of them? If a lady doesn't want to kill themselves that way why do you have a problem w / their choices? Who are you God? You have to be the most sanctimonious bore that ever posted here. You make no sense what so ever. Logic has no chance w / you and you have a heart the size of a pea. We have the morality police right here on ISG. My opinion is there's something fishy w / you.
As for better destinations to Angeles I would say that all the other Asian destinations have better looking. Slimmer, willing girls that what can be found in the bars of Angeles city.
Then why are you on the Angeles City board? What are you? A glutton for punishment?
I already knew you would have a vague answer to my question. Who on this forum does't already know this information? Thailand has more women, more pretty women etc. Who doesn't know this already?
More meaningless hot air from you but at least it's not insulting. Kudos for that. Unfortunately I can't say this about most of the moralistic gibberish that emanates from you.
As I have said many times, if you like what is available in Angeles knock yourself out, but please do not get defensive when other members point out that they see fat ugly girls on most Angeles bars, we report what we see which is exactly the point of this board.Yes I like what is available there. So why do you have to point out how rotten it is everyday? You're not helping or informing anyone w / quality information. You are just really unhappy and so it's important for you to try and make other people miserable.
The reason I get defensive is because you're insulting guys that are doing what they want and harming no one. Here's another quality opinion from you.
most westerners that want a prostitute to play the girlfriend role, stroke their very low self esteem and be constantly assured by the girl that they are a handsome young stud This insult deserves my attention. You have insulted me and many others. Having to see your stinking wrong unnecessary opinions (everyday) is just too much to sit silently and let you stink up the place.
And lastly if you don't like AC then why be a hypocrite and go there. You ***** about the place all the time? I know why. Because you love to whine. If you can't enjoy AC than no one should right?
WestCoast1
10-25-16, 13:35
This pic was taken over a decade ago. Signs like this are often up at many bars in AC. Anyone know how much doorgirls are being advertised for these days? 300,500, 1000?
This pic was taken over a decade ago. Signs like this are often up at many bars in AC. Anyone know how much doorgirls are being advertised for these days? 300,500, 1000?The girls from smaller bars whom I have known receive a quite modest monthly 'salary' requiring them to hustle for drinks + tips which, with the big spending ROK's around is not bad take home. They sure as hell don't get P1000/ day to sit on a stool at the door LOL!
Mr Enternational
10-25-16, 13:50
So you walk into a bar and and bargain w / your potential bar girl leaving the bar out of the equation? I've never heard of such a thing. So you do this and the bar girl agrees to your price and leaves the bar w / you? I think not. The bar owner / mama would have a big problem w / this method.
Now if you're talking about after she gets off work than yes, or on her day off yes but you're not walking into any bar and not paying the bar for THEIR lady's time. If so, where have you done it? I know your history and it includes avoiding the bars. Please enlighten us.So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.
It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.
So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.
It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.
So you walk into anywhere and bargain for whatever you are purchasing. The sales agent knows there is leeway in the price. They can go down so much. If they are not sure then they will ask the boss for approval.
It is not about leaving anybody out of anything. The girl knows how much the bar has to get out of whatever you are paying and she knows how much she is willing to accept for her portion. The bar does not care what portion the girl takes as long as they get what they are due. In AC it is all wrapped in to one so you do not know who gets what portion unless you ask.That's pretty good info but you're shorting the lady when you do that and if she's game more power to ya. In AC the Perimeter Bars are dirt cheap, 1500,1600, pesos for most. That means the lady is getting half or less than half of that 1500 pesos. I don't think you're going to do well bargaining there w / the pretty ones, the mid or lower tier dancers might be up for a low ball offer, especially later in the day.
I have done exactly what you're talking about on Burgos St. Where the high prices are choking the life out of those bars and their dancers. I've bargained w / the mama in the best bar on Burgos and then w / the dancer afterwards but I'm talking pretty fine material here. I got a good deal w / both, that was for the twin spinners pictured in the PG. It was a good night.
So I agree w / your strategy in general but I've never tried it in AC because it's already affordable to me, Burgos St is not affordable or practical and so I needed to learn to bargain there. And after say 1 am the prices should come down even more in AC and Burgos St. That could probably be said of all bars in Asia. Some game will add to your leverage but again, no one likes to be low balled and so there's no guarantee. If I were 25 I'd be pulling bar girls for the cost of a few drinks, or maybe just stay in the USA, there's lots of good pussy here. Those days are over though but my dick thinks he's 25 and acts like it.
Cheers Mr E.
Fastpiston
10-26-16, 06:10
Okay good. You most be that one western guy I saw in my 12 days there w / a hot stunner. You are getting the most beautiful women in AC. My hats off to you. But knowing you're a nut my 6 is probably your 10 so skip the kudos.
I thought I made myself clear but some guys just won't read and comprehend the words. No one is putting anyone on a pedal stool and if they wanted to it's their choice. How does it benefit you to rain on their parade? Some guys like to enjoy the company of a woman (and not get it over quickly like you) whether she sells her body or not, to most she's still a woman. To you apparently they are something less than that. Is it okay if some of us are different than you or do you have to bash everyone who doesn't play the game the way you do?
If I like a dancer enough to buy her dinner what's it you? This is a big issue for you? Do you think I want to hear your whining all the time? Shit. What a bummer you are.
Again more ugliness. Have you walked in their shoes? Do you know what it's like to work 2 8 hour jobs w / no breaks? Standing on your feet all day selling KFC? Then after that eat quickly and go to your night job. Who TF are you to criticize any of them? If a lady doesn't want to kill themselves that way why do you have a problem w / their choices? Who are you God? You have to be the most sanctimonious bore that ever posted here. You make no sense what so ever. Logic has no chance w / you and you have a heart the size of a pea. We have the morality police right here on ISG. My opinion is there's something fishy w / you.
Then why are you on the Angeles City board? What are you? A glutton for punishment?
I already knew you would have a vague answer to my question. Who on this forum does't already know this information? Thailand has more women, more pretty women etc. Who doesn't know this already?
More meaningless hot air from you but at least it's not insulting. Kudos for that. Unfortunately I can't say this about most of the moralistic gibberish that emanates from you.
Yes I like what is available there. So why do you have to point out how rotten it is everyday? You're not helping or informing anyone w / quality information. You are just really unhappy and so it's important for you to try and make other people miserable.
The reason I get defensive is because you're insulting guys that are doing what they want and harming no one. Here's another quality opinion from you.
This insult deserves my attention. You have insulted me and many others. Having to see your stinking wrong unnecessary opinions (everyday) is just too much to sit silently and let you stink up the place.
And lastly if you don't like AC then why be a hypocrite and go there. You ***** about the place all the time? I know why. Because you love to whine. If you can't enjoy AC than no one should right?Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.
Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.You are able to put good info out w / out demeaning others. Your buddy is not able to do this. Also your buddy bad raps AC everyday so can you ask him to stop. We got it. We know he is better than the ladies working there. We know he only wants his fuck and leave. We know all this because he harps on it everyday.
He helps no one by putting them down as if he is better than most. His method of operation is better than most. Do you believe that? That's a simple question.
Do you think guys who like like bar girls (human beings) they BF and want to drink and go out to dinner have low self esteem? Please answer that.
NapaSlapper
10-26-16, 07:39
Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.Have to fully agree yet again Fastpiston.
Members take the time to write up trip reports and informative posts, clearly mark them as being for the information of newbies and want to be visitors, yet because this does not fit in with a couple of the old schools members fantasy of all Angeles prostitutes are angels and hard done by they offer nothing but abuse in return.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the name of this board is international sex guide which to me means reporting on recent trips, what we find, are the girls pretty, are they available, what scams to look out for etc, yet some stamp their feet asking for such members to be banned, ask for such members to be silenced all to keep their fantasies alive.
For the new guys wanting to visit Angeles.
Can one have a good time there? Yes if one is willing to lower their standard of girl, search in many bars, accept much rejection and fully accept that the very few OK looking girls either are virgins, many do not fuck for a living or they prefer Korean customers if they do fuck for a living.
Are the girls willing to stay all night? Only the older more desperate uglier fatter girls that cannot earn enough money from high commission lady drinks IMHO, most OK looking girls that barfine want 1 pop and out the door straight back to the bar for the next paying customer, unlike what some claim och looking girls are in high demand they are in the bar to make large money not to sit around in some old boys room playing the girlfriend, time is money is so true with prostitutes.
Is marrying an Angeles bargirl a good idea, yes if you want to be an ATM machine for the rest of ones days, or to wake up and find out that the pinoy neighbor who you loving lady said was her cousin is in fact her husband, those kids she said were here nieces and nephews are in fact her kids, we are there to pick up the bills while her heart and desires belong to the pinoy father of her kids.
Guys over the years have claimed to me yes but my one is different, she really loves me, I say stop paying her a monthly salary and then you will see how much she loves and wants to be with you, the funny thing is none of these guys have ever had the balls to put their honey kos love to the test, maybe deep down they know the answer already.
Why do I and others tell of such things, is it to be nasty or to hate Angeles or the pi, no it is not, it is geared to arm the newbies or want to visit guys with information that will be of huge benefit on their visits.
I always live in hope that Angeles will improve, that better looking, slimmer girls will be employed, that the bar owners, mummy will put an end to the bullshit the girls pull in the bar and back at the room.
For the guys that only want to hear positives about Angeles city and relationships there are many other boards that cater to the fantasists.
New guys want to know the facts before spending large to visit any destination and that is the job of this board and its members to report what they see so that others may benefit and go on to maybe visit and advise others.
Please be constructive. Advice and opinions are indeed important on this forum. There are those who have never been to AC and therefore some cautionary words are useful in deciding whether to make the effort to visit or not. If they go to AC and find they like it, so be it. Some have not even been to Bangkok. Being sharp tongued does little to advise others. On another matter, I have seen so many foreigner, hooker marriages go badly wrong. It is surely, for similar reasons, worth increasing the awareness of people so they too do not fall into the same hole in the pavement. Having got that out of the way, I will tell you a true experience of someone I know. He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.And what was the problem? The friend IMO was a volunteer, not a victim. We hear so many stories from a friend but never a first hand story. Even if it was first person, IMO he would still be a volunteer. On the other hand we never hear or really know about the outstanding husbands.
Hi,
Went to AC for 2 days from Manila. Stayed at Eurotel. At night went around bars, most girls were so so. Found one cutie 22 yo, no kids, danced a bit with her. Barfined. Walked to my hotel. When in room she took of her panties and commanded me to enter her. Did her missionary and doggy, after I was finished felt asleep. She slept on my chest, woke up during the night, did NE more session. Girl was nice, real GFE. In the retrospective should have used protection. Got damn chlamydia, well its healed now already. Learned a lesson. I like Filipinos, they are friendly. AC is a dump though I must admit. My fav place in Pinas is campaign island.
Koperen Klaas
10-26-16, 18:53
Why don't you guys do all this arguing via PM's? You're wasting a lot of space nitpicking about each others posts.
And NapaSlapper: people have a point when they wonder why you go to the AC thread at all.
Wicked Roger
10-27-16, 03:11
He was a Norwegian seaman, married an AC bar girl. Bought a house, furniture and dog in Sabang. He went to Norway on vacation and came back after a couple of months and. Wait for it. No house, no furniture, no dog. The sad thing is, the Norwegian was such a nice guy he was worried about the dog. Maybe the bar girl sold it, maybe she ate it. Bar girl disappeared as did, of course, the money. The house was of course in her name as foreigners are not allowed to own houses in the Philippines.Well that is Nowegians for you FP LOL Softies (and not just in the heart LOL).
This happened to an Aussie mate a few years ago, same thing but she was not a bar girl but clearly a 'party girl'. Came back from his shift in the mines earlier than expected and found the same situation.
Only difference was he knew the local police chief well and had made charitable contribution over the year to help them and their work. So the chief arrested the parents and her sister and refused to let them out until the girl came home.
She did, admitted she was already married (parents knew this also) returned the white goods (these were in her family home with her husband) and she sold the house. Repaid some cash and after all that the parents were allowed out of jail.
Better ending than the Norwegian but a lesson for all.
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