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Mr Enternational
06-22-17, 13:54
Transportation, A friend of mine set up his taxi driver guy and I paid 3,000 pesos each wayWhy is it that everytime someone has a friend that knows a taxi driver, the trip to and from AC costs more? My main wingman deals with a chick from AC and she said her father is a taxi driver. They totally tried to rip him off but he was smart enough to take a normal taxi. At the end of last month I reported paying 2200 from Manila to AC on a rainy Friday night, which means hella traffic.
What a true sweet heart who BTW on her first day at the club a month ago, after going with a cheap ass Korean guy who after boom-boom left her without paying her a dime. Other bar girls both in AC and Makati have only shit to say about Korean guys and will not go with them. I hate mother-fuc**rs whatever the race treating these women like dirt. I will never understand this but for you cheap ass Koreans I see your getting a well-deserved stigma in the PI.Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. You see posts here and witness when boots are on the ground all the time about Koreans paying chicks an exorbitant amount of money (and many times not even fucking them - just barhopping with them), throwing money in the clubs, buying bottles in the clubs, and many guys pissed because some of the best chicks only go with Koreans. Now you are reporting that the girls told you that Koreans are cheap and treat them shitty? Someone somewhere along the information pipeline must be full of shit. An old saying goes, how can you tell when a Filipina is lying?
There is no way the girl did not get paid because in AC her payment is included in the barfine. So you essentially paid double, which kind of defeats the purpose of why most guys go to AC. If they were going to pay $110 for some ass where the average salary for a month is somewhere around that same neighborhood, I doubt they would be going; least of all I am sure that I would not. I think that is Manila Air Force One prices.
ANewTravler
06-22-17, 14:41
Hello guys,
I have been planning on visiting Angeles for quit a time and finally I am going. This wilL be my first in the Philippines so I am wondering guys how long should I stay 2 weeks at least?
For me this vacation is just about relaxing and having some fun, ill be staying in the walking field hotel if you guys have any experience with this hotel please throw it this way hhaha.
Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Where as Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.
Why is it that everytime someone has a friend that knows a taxi driver, the trip to and from AC costs more? My main wingman deals with a chick from AC and she said her father is a taxi driver. They totally tried to rip him off but he was smart enough to take a normal taxi. At the end of last month I reported paying 2200 from Manila to AC on a rainy Friday night, which means hella traffic.
Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. You see posts here and witness when boots are on the ground all the time about Koreans paying chicks an exorbitant amount of money (and many times not even fucking them - just barhopping with them), throwing money in the clubs, buying bottles in the clubs, and many guys pissed because some of the best chicks only go with Koreans. Now you are reporting that the girls told you that Koreans are cheap and treat them shitty? Someone somewhere along the information pipeline must be full of shit. An old saying goes, how can you tell when a Filipina is lying?
There is no way the girl did not get paid because in AC her payment is included in the barfine. So you essentially paid double, which kind of defeats the purpose of why most guys go to AC. If they were going to pay $110 for some ass where the average salary for a month is somewhere around that same neighborhood, I doubt they would be going; least of all I am sure that I would not. I think that is Manila Air Force One prices.
I have heard from a few girls before that some K are cheap, especially when they are alone and not in front of their friends. Others have told me some are very mean and rude.
Hard to broad brush any group one way or the other.
BTW, last month I posted that some clubs are having you pay the barfine directly to the girl now. So not all bar fines are paid to the club before you leave.
I thought Mr. E by earlier posts, have stated that he never pays the BF up front? So it is possible to rip a girl off.
Mr Enternational
06-23-17, 01:08
I thought Mr. E by earlier posts, have stated that he never pays the BF up front? So it is possible to rip a girl off.That is correct. I do not pay before. But judging from how many guys get up in arms when I even mention such, how many other people do you think would even try my method? It seems that most will only go along to get along, not trying rock the boat or deviate from the traditional way.
This is a message from the Det 5 chick that I reported on, and I doubt that I even gave her extra money beside whatever the barfine was:
6/19,8:28 PM Her: you know I like you.
6/19,8:28 PM Her: And I am always here for you.
6/19,8:28 PM Me: I do not know that.
6/19,8:29 PM Her: don't hesitate to message me. Ok.
6/19,8:30 PM Her: Because you didn't ask me.
6/19,8:30 PM Her: But yeah I do.
P. S. I have heard the story of a Korean guy leaving a girl under the mattress. So I am sure there are all kinds, but in general what is the rap about the Koreans guys? So for all these chicks that one monger meets to have something bad to say about Koreans sounds a bit off is all I am saying. Or is that what you meant when you said hard to broad brush?
The Tall Man
06-23-17, 07:33
Again thanks to all that have sent me private messages on my trip report and those also that have commented below.
I unknowingly made a few rookie mistakes especially so with over tipping (paying the bar fine and then tipping the girl). The saving grace is that I bar fined only 2 girls, both from Atlantis, so yes the opportunity to spoil 2 girls is there. Live and learn.
Thanks again all!
And side note, you see that the peso to dollar exchange is north of 50!
TTM.
I think you mean Field's Walking Street Hotel, which used to be Emerigo Hotel, which used to be Blue Nile Hotel (did I get that right? I've never stayed there but the web page looks like it's recently refurbished and has mirrors next to the bed. I really like to have mirrors next to the bed so that I can comb my hair first thing in the morning.
Two weeks seems a bit long for me, but other guys do it. If you get bored you could take one of the busses services to Subic Bay (Southern Cross and Fly the bus). You could also take a flight to Cebu for a change of pace.
Enjoy the mirrors. X Man.
Hello guys,
I have been planning on visiting Angeles for quit a time and finally I am going. This wilL be my first in the Philippines so I am wondering guys how long should I stay 2 weeks at least?
For me this vacation is just about relaxing and having some fun, ill be staying in the walking field hotel if you guys have any experience with this hotel please throw it this way hhaha.
GoodEnough
06-23-17, 11:07
Again thanks to all that have sent me private messages on my trip report and those also that have commented below.
I unknowingly made a few rookie mistakes especially so with over tipping (paying the bar fine and then tipping the girl). The saving grace is that I bar fined only 2 girls, both from Atlantis, so yes the opportunity to spoil 2 girls is there. Live and learn.
Thanks again all!
And side note, you see that the peso to dollar exchange is north of 50!
TTM.Like several others, I've enjoyed yours posts, and look forward to additional contributions. I don't think that tipping the girls is a "rookie mistake," or any sort of mistake at all. In fact, though others will argue that the bar fine includes all services, tipping is an expression of appreciation for good service and above all, is (in my opinion) the gracious thing to do. I've heard many girls in Angeles refer to Koreans as "kuripot," and what they meant by this is that the Korean guests tipped them only trike fare, when their expectation was probably much higher.
Guys here will never agree on tipping policy, and my intent is not to add fuel to the fire, but I think a decent tip should be pro forma. I have some friends who routinely tip Php3,000 for an overnight stay, others who tip Php1,500-2000, and none who tip less than Php1,000. I fall somewhere in the Php2-3,000 range depending on chemistry, performance and attitude. But for me, at my advanced age, the quality of the company is as important as the sex act, and if we have fun and some laughs, it's all good.
GE.
So for all these chicks that one monger meets to have something bad to say about Koreans sounds a bit off is all I am saying. Or is that what you meant when you said hard to broad brush?I wouldn't read too much into what girls say about different races. They tell you what they think you want to hear. I can only imagine the stories they tell their Korean and Japanese customers about Aussies, Americans and Brits. The "3/3/3" gets passed around from girl, to guy, to girl, because it is funny and makes people laugh, not necessarily because it is true.
Xfreak0000
06-23-17, 16:08
I wouldn't read too much into what girls say about different races. They tell you what they think you want to hear. I can only imagine the stories they tell their Korean and Japanese customers about Aussies, Americans and Brits. The "3/3/3" gets passed around from girl, to guy, to girl, because it is funny and makes people laugh, not necessarily because it is true.Koreans are the biggest customers in AC.
They also own many restaurants and bars and most of Philippines girls like Korean foods, cultures and customers.
As usual, there are also some minors who don't like Koreans, but it is not major so do not take some Philippines' bad saying about Koreans is the overall impression of them.
Streetlooker
06-24-17, 03:15
Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Where as Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.Koreans and Americans monger in different ways. I have noticed a trend in the Koreans that people seem to be over looking. Lots of Koreans are catalog shopping there girls. MOST Of the 7 Bars near the Clarkton Hotel including ROADIES and After School and the former LIA now called something else. Have profiles of there girls to choose from for the KOREAN so they never have to leave there hotel grounds. The girls are picked and a van picks them up take them to there customers at there respective Hotels. Anonymity at its finest because a Lot of these Korean business men have a wife and reputation back home that don; t need to know what they are up too. I know has a White foreigner I get a vibe walking in these places like I am not wanted. Its like I have leprosy sometimes. Sure have a drink Even buy a girl a drink sit with her and talk But you can; t take out the girls they are for Koreans only and usually already reserved.
ConquerorVal
06-24-17, 04:35
Unless, one is talking about freelancers, 2000 to 3000 pesos tip on top of 3000 pesos barfine, seems a little a little bit over the top. Not everyone has strong US dollars in their pockets. These are first world prices, and make my trips to the Caribbean a real bargain. Also, the girl I spend most of my time with during my last visit said she did not like Koreans because they fucked too much. This is contrary to the notion of lame Asian lovers. I personally, don't believe in most of the things these girls have to say.
It's your money. Tip as you like. I pay and tip as I like with my money. My rule is, unless you helped me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!
For some of you, the supply side does not revolve around you, get over it. Markets change. Yes the American Vietnam GI may have created AC fifty some years ago. They are gone now, there are new customers, clients and markets.
Member #4566
06-24-17, 05:55
Koreans and Americans monger in different ways. I have noticed a trend in the Koreans that people seem to be overlooking. Lots of Koreans are catalog shopping there girls. MOST Of the 7 Bars near the Clarkton Hotel including ROADIES and After School and the former LIA now called something else. Have profiles of there girls to choose from for the KOREAN so they never have to leave there hotel grounds. The girls are picked and a van picks them up take them to there customers at there respective Hotels. Anonymity at its finest because a Lot of these Korean business men have a wife and reputation back home that don; t need to know what they are up too. I know has a White foreigner I get a vibe walking in these places like I am not wanted. Its like I have leprosy sometimes. Sure have a drink Even buy a girl a drink sit with her and talk But you can; t take out the girls they are for Koreans only and usually already reserved.
Yes. I agree, something here is fishy. From my experience, generally, the stigma is Americans are cheap, big and like to fuck for hours. Whereas Koreans spend ridiculous money, like to drink instead of fuck, when they do want to screw, they're small and only go for 3 minutes. Hence the 3 x3 x3 moniker. One additional note, I have heard that Koreans have a reputation for getting violent when drunk.The myth of the spendthrift Korean throwing money at the girls is an object lesson in how rumors start and then perpetuate as the truth. Fact: South Korea has the 11th largest gross democratic product of any nation on earth; not too shabby for a country that 75 years ago was an imperial colony of Japan. But recall that the Canadians, the Brits, and the Frogs are all higher on the GDP list than the Koreans. They got more money to throw around than the Koreans. How it got started that the Koreans are rich and generous probably began when ISGer's mistakenly linked the Koreans to their detested neighbors the Japanese who were booming in the 1980's but not so much anymore.
Further, Koreans have the same basic human genome below their belt as you or I so regardless whatever the length of their dicks might be, I got to believe that they fuck like jack rabbits; just like you or I.
Then, too, I wouldn't lend too much credence to what a Filipina tells you about Koreans. She tells you what you think you want to hear or she might be a Korean reject who is expressing her sour grapes.
Another point about Koreans is that they socialize differently from the way that we do. The girlie bar in AC was inspired by the GI's who were the first western mongerers in the PI. It reflects the way that American men socialized and encountered women. It is a takeoff on the Friday night pickup joint where drunkenness and brawling are commonplace. In contrast, Koreans and their despised cousins the Japanese are uncomfortable with all that posturing and competition. So they buy their own girlie bars and play by a different set of rules. I believe that Korean men do not want the girls that they fuck to be shared with Westerners. They actively discourage it. Nay, they forbid it.
It happens much the same way in Japan and in Korea where with very few exceptions, shagging opportunities are denied to Westerners.
Interesting conversation. I can so with certainty that in Pattaya, some girls seem to be reserved for Asian only customers. These will typically be white skinned and tall. Is it the same in the Philippines ? In Pattaya you can still get good girls, just not usually the best one's.
I would have thought the girls would be more concerned with money than with being treated well. If a Korean treats her like shit, she may think, so what if she still gets paid ? It is not like any mongers are treating these girls nicely anyway.
KenjiYoshioka
06-24-17, 09:08
The myth of the spendthrift Korean throwing money at the girls is an object lesson in how rumors start and then perpetuate as the truth. Fact: South Korea has the 11th largest gross democratic product of any nation on earth; not too shabby for a country that 75 years ago was an imperial colony of Japan. But recall that the Canadians, the Brits, and the Frogs are all higher on the GDP list than the Koreans. They got more money to throw around than the Koreans. How it got started that the Koreans are rich and generous probably began when ISGer's mistakenly linked the Koreans to their detested neighbors the Japanese who were booming in the 1980's but not so much anymore.
Further, Koreans have the same basic human genome below their belt as you or I so regardless whatever the length of their dicks might be, I got to believe that they fuck like jack rabbits; just like you or I.
Then, too, I wouldn't lend too much credence to what a Filipina tells you about Koreans. She tells you what you think you want to hear or she might be a Korean reject who is expressing her sour grapes.
Another point about Koreans is that they socialize differently from the way that we do. The girlie bar in AC was inspired by the GI's who were the first western mongerers in the PI. It reflects the way that American men socialized and encountered women. It is a takeoff on the Friday night pickup joint where drunkenness and brawling are commonplace. In contrast, Koreans and their despised cousins the Japanese are uncomfortable with all that posturing and competition. So they buy their own girlie bars and play by a different set of rules. I believe that Korean men do not want the girls that they fuck to be shared with Westerners. They actively discourage it. Nay, they forbid it.
It happens much the same way in Japan and in Korea where with very few exceptions, shagging opportunities are denied to Westerners.GDP stands for "Gross Domestic Product" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) not "Gross Democratic Product. " That would be like. How well the government actually pays attention to the people. In which case the USA Has absolute GDP.
Hi Mr. MG.
I regularly monger in Angeles and Pattaya and go to both places twice a year. The area in Angeles called on Fields Avenue is only about 300 meters long and this is where the best gogo bars are located in addition to the infamous High Society Disco. It also is called Walking Street, and Pattaya has its own Walking Street also. You then have many bars and smaller gogos sporadically spread out from Atlantis go go bar (end of Walking Street) continuing on Fields Ave a bit more, and Fields becomes 21st street, then Don Juico Ave. For about 1. 5 km. There are also some side streets off of 21st Street and Fields Ave. (outside of Walking Street), which have small bars, a few massage places, etc. but, it is best not to wander into these side streets on your own at night just for safety precaution.
Pattaya has a huge Walking Street filled with many gogos, bars, discos etc. and you have many Sois, Alleys (small streets), Roads, going from North Pattaya continuing into Central Pattaya (largest or prime area of establishments) , then into South Pattaya. There are many long streets that go East to West such as Beach Road, Pattayasaisong Rd, Soi Buakhao, Pattaya 3rd road. All in all Pattaya City is about 4-5 km North to South and 2. 5 km east to west from Beach Road to the filled with massage places, bars, gogos, etc. So there are literally thousands of venues whereas AC is the short Walking Street area of a few hundred meters and then the outer area of Angeles which is primarily an extension of Fields Ave. I would say that in terms of geographic size, yes Pattaya is probably more like 25 times larger than Angeles.
As far as working girls, Pattaya is estimated to have close to 30 k-40 k working girls, massage girls, etc. Whereas AC probably will have 3-5 k working at any given idea (this is my best estimate as there are no real numbers documented).
The majority of women in the gogos, bars, establishments, street freelancers in Angeles City that we meet are mainly between early 20's to later 20's. In Pattaya, there are actually more older women working in the massage places, discos, and smaller type bars than you see in AC, but the majority are still in their 20s. In other words, age is not a concern in either cities are there are plenty of younger women to choose from in both places.
As far as my favorite out of the two, no comparison that the girls in AC give better service, are more GFE, and have better attitudes. The Thai women are just more business like, colder, and there are far more mongers in Pattaya for me to compete with there. In AC the ratio of girls to mongers in always heavily lopsided in my favor also. Lastly, prices for AC are usually almost half of what I pay in Pattaya unless you do Beach Road girls in Pattaya which I won't even consider as you don't know if you are getting a ladyboy or real girl. Pattaya does have better looking girls in the GoGo Bars and has the advantage in the looks category but you will have to pay way more than in AC for these girls. But, Pattaya is just monger Disneyland on steroids due to the sheer mass of venues, working girls, action, etc. So that is why I continue to enjoy both. Do yourself a favor, and do not miss out on either destination, try AC for half your trip and Pattaya for the other half and then decide which destination has the better girls as numbers really don't matter (having plenty of girls in both destinations ). Hope this helps.Thanks for this excellent post. Lack of English in Pattaya does ruin it just a little, but I am still on a high from just how attractive some of the girls were, the problem with GoGo bars is that they can be a hassle, not knowing which girls are the property of Asian mongers and which are available to whites. A good rule of thumb for me is that those with olive or brown skin will go with whites. I do have fairly high standards in terms of looks that I want from girls. I'm really only in this for the hot 20 year old girls but I am warming to other experiences such as the personality of the girl and a good GFE.
Pattaya does have a lot of girls, but I think maybe 80% of them are just ugly and I wouldn't pay to fuck them. I had a look at some youtube videos and the bars in AC seemed to a lot quieter than those in Pattaya which is another bonus. I'll probably research this over the next few months and make a decision but I am tending towards AC at the moment. The problem is that my last trip short, so I feel like I have unfinished business in Pattaya. The other issue which I think is useful to point out is that hotels in AC are really expensive compared to Pattaya.
I think they're so similar, I might just do both.
Are the two bars on raymond street near the chapel still open?
Member #4566
06-24-17, 20:37
GDP stands for "Gross Domestic Product" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product) not "Gross Democratic Product. " That would be like. How well the government actually pays attention to the people. In which case the USA Has absolute GDP.Yeah - - the automatic misspell correction feature second guesses the computer user and can create these malapropisms which sometimes are difficult to detect. BTW, I am unclear as to your comments about the USA having absolute Democratic Product.
ConquerorVal
06-24-17, 23:09
It's your money. Tip as you like. I pay and tip as I like with my money. My rule is, unless you helped me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!
For some of you, the supply side does not revolve around you, get over it. Markets change. Yes the American Vietnam GI may have created AC fifty some years ago. They are gone now, there are new customers, clients and markets.Its ironic how on one hand you talk market talk, and on another hand you defy it. Last time I checked there were more girls than customer in AC, so if we follow the demand / supply logic, prices should be in favour of the buyer. Unless for some personal reason you pay twice the market value,(a tip that's equal to barfine? Really?) and raise the expectations of the service providers and ruin it for others. Hey but what do I know. I will not tell you how to spend your money!
Streetlooker
06-25-17, 03:53
Are the two bars on raymond street near the chapel still open?Has of about a HR ago they are. Just walked by and had a look at the talent. Not much there but they do show up from time to time so I always have a look.
Its ironic how on one hand you talk market talk, and on another hand you defy it. Last time I checked there were more girls than customer in AC, so if we follow the demand / supply logic, prices should be in favour of the buyer. Unless for some personal reason you pay twice the market value,(a tip that's equal to barfine? Really?) and raise the expectations of the service providers and ruin it for others. Hey but what do I know. I will not tell you how to spend your money!I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.
Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.
Just enjoy it while it is here.
FYI: Marc, owner of Brown Sugar, has Passed away. He was involved in a fatal motorcycle collision at around 3 am this morning in Friendship. The full facts are still very vague. It was posted in Brown sugar's Facebook and a competing forum. Brown Sugar is set to close July 1, due to leasing issue with the landlord.
GoodEnough
06-25-17, 07:01
I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.
Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.
Just enjoy it while it is here.Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.
GE.
Streetlooker
06-25-17, 07:10
I don't understand what you say is the irony of it. The market forces is way more than just simple logic. There is not one member or even if all the members acted in concert together would they affect the market. We are not market makers! Look around, presently Koreans are market makers.
Tipping is a personal matter based on personal feelings and experiences along with expectations. I doubt if anyone generously tipping will ruin the market nor do they do it to ruin the market.
Just enjoy it while it is here.I agree the Koreans are running the mongering show here because they are bringing in real money and building things. A new KOREAN type bar has opened near the JEEPNEY terminal near fields and perimeter with the girls all in long evening dresses KTV style. This is a Korean owned place and its going to be catered to there style of mongering. Us westerners (US UK AUS CAN ECT) need to adjust or we will be restricted to just a few hand full bars up on middle part Perimeter Road. This includes the prices for drinks and girls which are set higher then we are normally used too. The old ways of doing things are gone because the old timers who kept them that way all these yrs are very old or Gone from this world.welcome to the new Angeles city.
Member #4566
06-25-17, 08:07
This is a Korean owned place and its going to be catered to there style of mongering. Us westerners (US UK AUS CAN ECT) need to adjust or we will be restricted to just a few hand full bars up on middle part Perimeter Road. Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.
I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.
Chocha Monger
06-25-17, 09:51
Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.
I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.Well, the Japanese had their bars when their economy was booming in the 1980's. Then the Japanese economy crashed in 1991, this began the period of the Lost 20 Years. The bars catering only to Japanese customers took a dive along with the economy, and they are no longer a thing in AC. The Koreans seem to be making the same mistake putting all their eggs in one basket catering solely to their countrymen and discouraging other nationalities.
Scream, how dare you ruin the market for us low income earners GE?
The last time I got some good boinking with an AC girl I had walked out of the bar. Giving only my card. The next three days in AC and another night in Manila were absolutely heaven. I would have paid triple if I'd known the sexual pleasure and GFE that awaited me. Triple is zero, but I did reward her in many ways.
She'd get out of bed and walk to the bathroom in her panties. I was transfixed. She'd always look over her shoulder at the last minute and smile. Seemed to understand the spell she had.
Unfortunately she's not in AC anymore, or so she says. I'll find out soon.
Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.
GE.
Streetlooker
06-25-17, 13:03
Adjusting will mean being treated like 2nd class customers. After living in Korea for a time I came to understand that Koreans have two standards of service: one for Koreans and a lower one for everyone else. I never patronize a Korean business unless I absolutely have to.
I disagree with your conclusion that we will be forced into a different format for procuring girls. Koreans are a standoffish bunch and do not integrate well with other people. That will always limit their ability to penetrate and influence Filipino society.Its already quite difficult in several areas of town to pull girls if you are not Korean. I agree they don't like others around and do not integrate well. I have had a whole stage of girls pulled off by the Korean manager after all the Koreans had left the bar. This Happened at Roadies. I was left there alone. I have also had Many girls say they can no go out with me cause they are already taken on reserve. I am afraid the old way of doing things in this town is rapidly changing and not for the better. Sure there will still be a few Bars here and there that will hold out for the old timers but they will be less and less over time.
Its already quite difficult in several areas of town to pull girls if you are not Korean. I agree they don't like others around and do not integrate well. I have had a whole stage of girls pulled off by the Korean manager after all the Koreans had left the bar. This Happened at Roadies. I was left there alone. I have also had Many girls say they can no go out with me cause they are already taken on reserve. I am afraid the old way of doing things in this town is rapidly changing and not for the better. Sure there will still be a few Bars here and there that will hold out for the old timers but they will be less and less over time.Streetlooker is right. Koreans have already integrated themselves in Filipino society from Baguio all the way to Davao. I spend a lot of time in Cebu as well and even though culturally they are standoffish, their investment (time and money) has made them more vested and Invested in las pinas more than we think. Korean foreign investment in the Philippines is at an all time high. They may seem standoffish but they are buying the Philippines at record rates.
Of course you're correct; it makes no difference what a single person, or 200 single people do. The market in Angeles is comprised of thousands of guys a year barfining thousands of women. I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter much as there will always be a nucleus of guys screaming that those who tip more than a few hundred pesos will "ruin" the market for the rest of the guys.
GE.Whether its AC or any other dozen mongering cities in the Philippines, Koreans are ruining it for me. And its not the tipping. Tipping for service is one thing. Walking into a bar and throwing cash in the air is not tipping IMHO, its what's ruining the scene. Lots of Koreans in Phnom Penh now too.
Member #4566
06-25-17, 16:53
I know guys who tip thousands of pesos because they can and they want to help the girls. Does this mean that the next time these girls or their friends are barfined they expect a similar tip? I think not. I always tip because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't give a damn what others may do. Logic on this subject doesn't seem to matter. GE.You may be in denial. Logic does matter. Wanting to help the girls? If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.
Examine your feelings. Your motivation is not eleemosynary but rather to distinguish yourself so that news of your largesse will aggrandize your reputation thus facilitating your future forays.
So whereas you deny that your tipping will have an overall influence on the market in general, you do hope that it will enhance your standing in the marketplace. But that is the point that some of us are trying to make. Your tipping moves the fulcrum, even if ever so slightly, in favor of the seller. You are contributing to inflationary pricing. Multiply that by many others who are excessive and you have a shift in the market.
Hold the market steady and don't tip. But GE, you will probably have to continue tipping since you have already created an expectation which you can not disappoint. That is the other down side to tipping.
Mr Enternational
06-25-17, 19:07
You may be in denial. Logic does matter. Wanting to help the girls? If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.That is what I say. If it was all about helping then you would give them money without fucking them. But when you give it makes YOU feel warm and fuzzy inside. It has nothing to do with genuinely wanting to help someone.
MrWoolyBooly
06-25-17, 19:51
That is what I say. If it was all about helping then you would give them money without fucking them. But when you give it makes YOU feel warm and fuzzy inside. It has nothing to do with genuinely wanting to help someone.If a guy gets warm and fuzzy pleasure from giving money unnecessarily, is that somehow wrong if he also gets warm and fuzzy pleasure from sex with the same person? I think very, very few people think "who is the one person in the world most in need of this dollar / euro / ruble / rupee / yen that I can give?" Almost all who give chose their recipients with subjectivity and the arbitrariness of proximity or familiarity. Assuming he didn't steal the money, how he spends it is his business whether it makes any sense to anybody or not.
MrWoolyBooly
06-25-17, 20:00
If you really felt charitable, just pay her barfine, give her the tip, and tell her to take the night off.I've done this in Burgos, Makati. It doesn't make me any more charitable than if I bonked her coworker or her beforehand. Interestingly, she eventually became mistress / employee of an Egyptian guy with a freight forwarding business in Metro Manila. When I visited Makati several months later, she simply insisted on meeting me and providing unrequested enthusiastic but surprisingly low skilled freebie at the Isabella Royale. I should check up on her, see how she's doing.
Streetlooker
06-26-17, 01:06
Streetlooker is right. Koreans have already integrated themselves in Filipino society from Baguio all the way to Davao. I spend a lot of time in Cebu as well and even though culturally they are standoffish, their investment (time and money) has made them more vested and Invested in las pinas more than we think. Korean foreign investment in the Philippines is at an all time high. They may seem standoffish but they are buying the Philippines at record rates.They are building things here. Whole sections of towns reconstructed into little Korea towns. While the westerners are only bring in tourist dollars and not much else. Koreans will take over in 5-10 yrs everything will be to there way of doing things and we westerners need to adjust our mongering techniques, Bring in real money and start investing to counter what the Koreans are doing or go home. Thats my take on it.
Streetlooker
06-26-17, 01:11
Whether its AC or any other dozen mongering cities in the Philippines, Koreans are ruining it for me. And its not the tipping. Tipping for service is one thing. Walking into a bar and throwing cash in the air is not tipping IMHO, its what's ruining the scene. Lots of Koreans in Phnom Penh now too.Yeah. This act of going into a bar and just tossing money in the air is totally asinine.
Yeah. This act of going into a bar and just tossing money in the air is totally asinine.So prevalent in strip clubs in the US. Don't get it!
GoodEnough
06-26-17, 02:07
They are building things here. Whole sections of towns reconstructed into little Korea towns. While the westerners are only bring in tourist dollars and not much else. Koreans will take over in 5-10 yrs everything will be to there way of doing things and we westerners need to adjust our mongering techniques, Bring in real money and start investing to counter what the Koreans are doing or go home. Thats my take on it.This is the most sensible post I've read on the "Korean" subject. The fact is that the Philippines attracts far fewer Western tourists than many other ASEAN countries, and ranks dead last among major ASEAN countries, aside from Brunei, for direct foreign investment, due both to corruption and onerous investment rules that protect the oligarchs. Koreans have not only begun to invest heavily, but the Korean Government has begun to provide massive foreign assistance for infrastructure thus filling an enormous void in the country's development plans. Western countries had opportunities to do the same and declined to do so. So it's not surprising, given the financial commitment of individual Korean investors and the Government of Korea that the country would begin to accommodate them. That's the reality, and whether or not we like it, or can find the means to adapt to it is largely irrelevant. It's a trend that will continue, together with an increased number of Chinese tourists who will come for much the same reason. I would guess–though with no substantiation–that with the massive aid beginning to pour into the Philippines from both the Chinese and Korean Governments–individual companies and investors have found ways to bend the rules, much the same way American food companies did during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
As with others on this board, I too have watched as groups of Koreans have "made it rain" in various bars in Angeles. I assume they do this because it's fun for them; because it doesn't cost them much to indulge in the fun, and because it generally makes them feel good. It seems inane to me, but it's their money, their idea of a good time, and has no real impact on me, so I don't really care.
I think I posted about the fact that the last time I was at the ABC, 4 Korean guys rented a cabana and had approximately 27 girls inside and out, drinking, swimming, shrieking with laughter, and generally having a good time. Their Korean hosts primarily drank heavily and took lots of pictures. Fun for them, lucrative for the girls, and harmed no one. Again, it wouldn't be my idea of the ideal way to spend several hundred dollars on an afternoon, but it had zero impact on me, so I didn't care.
The bottom line for me is that I know very little about Korean culture but I assume it differs drastically in some respects from my own. So long as those differences don't affect me negatively I don't much care.
GE.
Chocha Monger
06-26-17, 07:53
Actually, Westerners have brought in more than just tourist dollars in the past. Many of those who brought in real money to invest in businesses and build things ended up dead or imprisoned. The lucky ones ended up penniless and deported. The Philippine laws on foreign investment and ownership are very unfavorable towards foreigners and provides an incentive for corrupt Filipinos to defraud them. The Philippine government itself is not exactly a good example in its dealings with foreign investors. Westerners have good reason to be wary of investing in anything in the Philippines without legal reforms to provide strong protection for their investment and efficient judicial processes free of corruption.
The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. There is really no reason to cling to AC. If the Koreans want to put the money into businesses and real estate with all of the risks involved, then let them. Maybe they can succeed where many others failed. The Filipino police has already targeted Korean businessmen for extortion and murder in AC, and they have also been victims of other criminal elements. They are going to have a hard time turning a profit with all of the bribes that must be paid to the authorities.
The entire Philippines might end up under martial law with ISIS making a strong showing in Mindanao allowing the NPA and other insurgent groups to become resurgent in other parts of the country. If that happens, it could put a real damper on nightlife.
GoodEnough
06-26-17, 08:03
You may be in denial. Logic does matter.
Examine your feelings. Your motivation is not eleemosynary but rather to distinguish yourself so that news of your largesse will aggrandize your reputation thus facilitating your future forays.
So whereas you deny that your tipping will have an overall influence on the market in general, you do hope that it will enhance your standing in the marketplace.
Hold the market steady and don't tip. But GE, you will probably have to continue tipping since you have already created an expectation which you can not disappoint. That is the other down side to tipping.Don't really need psychotherapy for that part of my life thanks, since it's neither a source of turmoil nor conflict for me. I'm not in denial; I'm doing what feels good and appropriate. Since it makes me feel good, is of direct benefit to the girl, and causes no one else any harm, there's no issue. This requires neither further analysis nor further discussion.
I've created no "expectation" since I rarely repeat with anyone, and I doubt that the word has been spread among the huge population of ladies in Angeles. Creating expectations implies foreknowledge, for which there would be no basis.
My take is that everyone here will do what he wants to do without having to justify his actions to anyone else.
Peace,
GE.
The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. Thanks for the wake up call, CM. Paid 500 for last province romp. No wonder she was so happy. And now messages me to come back soon.
PedroEscobar
06-26-17, 18:30
The next afternoon, my plan is to enjoy the Perimeter bars. My plan is always the same: Perimeter in the afternoon and Fields in the evening. As I leave Score Birds and approach close to where I picked up the girls last night, a voice shouts at me "Hey! You! I saw you last night!
I look over and it's a couple of girls / ladyboys in the spa. I think it's best to ignore them but my curiosity is piqued and decide to walk over and play coy. They are eating some delicious mangos and offer me a piece. What did you see? What are you talking about? And they proceeded to recount their view point of what happened when I picked up Sarah and Christine and my negotiating. I didn't realize I had asked for so many things from the two girls. Then they wanted to know what happened afterwards, what we did and how long they stayed. None of your business is what happened. These two hairstylists were a lot of fun to talk to. No customers in the spa so they were bored..Really enjoyed reading your posts, your exchange with the ladyboys in the above quote made me smile, one of the reasons along with your reports on ladies that I am now considering AC / Manila over Thailand / Pattaya! Pattaya I have done quite a few time a good few years ago, and visiting in December (along with other places around Thailand)!
I know this is a hard question to answer, but leaving mongering out of the equation, what sort of costs are involved in eating and general costs while there. For instance for a week in AC? I might fit a trip in say in September this year prior to Thailand.
SouthEaster
06-26-17, 19:17
GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?
Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.
And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.
Just saying.
Southeaster.
Mr Enternational
06-26-17, 19:22
leaving mongering out of the equation, what sort of costs are involved in eating and general costs while there.Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?
I'd guess $75 - $100 per day not counting outliers and gluttons. Another $50 - 100 for mongering YMMV.
Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?
PedroEscobar
06-26-17, 19:55
Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?As I said "I know this is a hard question to answer" and understand the dilemma, so if I said middle of the road on all aspects? Just trying to get a feel for the place (hotels I can price off the internet) and also I appreciate any info!
Actually, Westerners have brought in more than just tourist dollars in the past. Many of those who brought in real money to invest in businesses and build things ended up dead or imprisoned. The lucky ones ended up penniless and deported. The Philippine laws on foreign investment and ownership are very unfavorable towards foreigners and provides an incentive for corrupt Filipinos to defraud them. The Philippine government itself is not exactly a good example in its dealings with foreign investors. Westerners have good reason to be wary of investing in anything in the Philippines without legal reforms to provide strong protection for their investment and efficient judicial processes free of corruption.
The puss going for 3 K in AC goes for 300 pesos in the provinces. There is really no reason to cling to AC. If the Koreans want to put the money into businesses and real estate with all of the risks involved, then let them. Maybe they can succeed where many others failed. The Filipino police has already targeted Korean businessmen for extortion and murder in AC, and they have also been victims of other criminal elements. They are going to have a hard time turning a profit with all of the bribes that must be paid to the authorities.
The entire Philippines might end up under martial law with ISIS making a strong showing in Mindanao allowing the NPA and other insurgent groups to become resurgent in other parts of the country. If that happens, it could put a real damper on nightlife.A little ray of sunshine! Thanks for the more positive outlook than the usual negative ones.
Now in America 4 out of 5 businesses will fail in the first 5 years, possibly more like 9 out of 10 will fail. Any different in Philippines? I am wondering where the graveyard is located for all the foreigner business owners?
Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.
Nobody can tell you that. Are you staying at ABC or renting a room down McArthur? Are you buying a half chicken off the street or are you eating at Phillies?Assuming he maintains the same class of hotels and restaurants as he does in Thailand, I would say the costs are equal or possibly 10% less.
Eszpresszo
06-27-17, 00:16
Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.I think the OP was simply pointing out if you get out of red light districts that are not marketed entirely towards foreigners, you get better prices. And he had a point.
If you can take a two-hour bus ride from Manila to AC, shouldn't you be able to swing a two-hour bus ride to someplace else in the PI? For adventurous mongers, the question will always be where, not what other nationalities are punting there or if they have a convenient Hooters location.
GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?.Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.
The Tall Man
06-27-17, 15:43
Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.
Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.
Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.
TTM.
Just a thanks to all those that made my first trip to the PI, both Makati / Burgous Street & AC, a very memorable one.
Now back in LOS Angeles and already thinking of how and when to plan my next trip.
Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.
TTM.I feel for you TTman. Withdrawal pain from AC is tough. I will be there in July.
Chocha Monger
06-27-17, 21:27
It seems that most mongers are unaware that Fields Avenue and Perimeter Rd are just small parts of the Angeles City sex industry. Area 51, or simply Area to locals, once had over 1,000 brothels in Barangay Sta. Teresita. Area is located approximately 4 kilometers from Fields Ave and serviced poor Filipino men who came by the truckloads from as far north as Tarlac and as far south as Macabebe and Apalit. Filipino fathers and uncles brought their sons and nephews to Area to lose their virginity for P200 or 4 cans of sardines. Foreigners did not venture into Area 51 to make it rain pesos or pay double the rates because the NPA housed insurgents and communist activists there.
Today, Area is in decline with less than 10 brothels remaining. One of Area's former barangay captains attributed the decline to competition from Fields Ave. Ironically, Fields has also seen better days as bars have taken a hit from disruptive technologies like affordable smartphones, cheap internet access, and social networking apps. More girls are working the disco scene. Angeles City has entered the Age of the Freelancer.
BrainDrain
06-27-17, 23:17
Already received many many texts from the girls. Many sweethearts I have met this past month and hope to get back before the end of this year.
TTM.This certainly always happens and tapers off. It's just a part of the AC offering to help ease your pain.
Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.To me, they seem quite excited. Much more interesting than making eye contact with white punters, at least.
Also, I've often seen quite large stacks of 20's being used, with some girls raking in much more than one or two bills.
Fastpiston
06-28-17, 01:34
A little ray of sunshine! Thanks for the more positive outlook than the usual negative ones.
Now in America 4 out of 5 businesses will fail in the first 5 years, possibly more like 9 out of 10 will fail. Any different in Philippines? I am wondering where the graveyard is located for all the foreigner business owners?
Puss is always cheaper in bum fxck, Egypt anywhere in the world. For value minded try southern Sudan. Just add in cost of time and transportation.The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.
Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.Yep 20 peso bills, some will throw 5 or 10 peso coins. Not a heck of a lot of money, even to the girls. But to some mongers it may be a whole lot of money.
The accepted business calculation is the usual 80:20 rule (80 new businesses do not make a profit or fail: 20 make a profit). In Philippines, one must additionally include corruption etc. , that brings the ratio to about 95:5. Yes, the law in Philippines is geared against Foreigners. Foreigners are not allowed to directly own retail outlets, houses or land. The legal system is very weak and slow. For an impartial view, without the usual ignorant emotional arguments, check the World Bank survey on "Ease of Doing Business". Malaysia and Thailand have far better World bank ratings. Before opening a "business" think very, very hard about it.Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.
GoodEnough
06-28-17, 03:31
Number #1 reason for 95% of the business failures were the foreigners were never qualified to manage and operate a business. I seriously doubt if the businesses ever got to the point where the law or corruption (or shot and killed noted by CM) affected it prior to closing.Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angeles–a guy who probably owns half the city–is a European.
GE.
Yes and no. Foreigners who start businesses here may be highly qualified in their own countries, or in other countries in which the rules are relatively straightforward, corruption is minimal, and the playing field is level. None of those preconditions exist here, and the reason many otherwise qualified foreigners fail is that they don't know the rules, don't have appropriate connections, and given the former, have no idea how to navigate in this country. The only foreigners I know who have started successful businesses are those who have been here for quite a while and who understand most of the informal rules. Please note that the most successful business owner in Angelesa guy who probably owns half the cityis a European.
GE.I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.
Streetlooker
06-28-17, 05:17
GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?
Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.
And if not you the same cannot be said for those who unwittingly walk into one of those bars and foolishly buys drinks for girls whom he has no hope of barfining, if they even sit with him at all.
Just saying.
Southeaster.The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.
BroComplex
06-28-17, 13:15
Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.
BroComplex
06-28-17, 13:27
The effect is noticeable when you walk into a place and get a feeling your not wanted there like you got leprosy or something. The girls tend to move way from you on the stage or give you looks of complete indifference to your presents. This are in bars LOA (Now Poseidon) Roadies and After school 3 bars I used to have a ton of fun in. I seem to be getting the I am already barfined excuse has to why they can; t go with me. Really a non welcomed feeling. Now I don't go there anymore. I also have a long time friend at Dollhouse and she's not going out with guys early in her shift because she wants to grab the easy money just standing there on the stage. She also don't like sitting away from the stage case the money flies or the balls drop. Says she makes a few 100 a night doing nothing but picking up ping pong balls or 20 peso notes the Koreans throw around. I once thought about sitting at the stage sit all night at dollhouse and grabbing a few 20's myself LOL.I heard stories about how foreigners aren't welcomed in after school and I couldn't believe it so I went there to see it for myself. I walked in around 4 pm and there was 7 or 8 girls sitting on the stage, all the perimeter bargirls do this when there is no customers but as soon as someone walks in the start to dance but in after school they ignored me. A waitress asked me what I want to drink and I asked for SML she then disappeared and after 5 minutes of waiting I gave up and went to fields where I'm welcomed.
GoodEnough
06-28-17, 13:53
I agree with you. I was mainly focusing on the ones who open small businesses and bars in Angeles. These are not the same class you are referring to.No argument there. I'm guessing a lot of these guys imagine themselves having access to a harem while making money at the same time. Of course the reality is quite different. I doubt that most bars–unless secretly owned by the well-connected–make much of anything in the way of net profits. I've also been told (with zero substantiation on my part) that the Burgos bars continue to exist for the primary purpose of laundering money from other enterprises. No idea if that's true, but if it is, perhaps the same holds true for some of the Angeles bars as well.
GE.
GoodEnough
06-28-17, 13:57
GE. I can't see how you can claim that the Koreans behaviour does not affect you unless you never patronize the bars where they get their girls. Do you not think that making it rain might just encourage those girls to turn down a barfine in hopes that it might rain again, or not go out with a white guy because she sees better potential for a windfall from a Korean?
Same could be said for being handsomely compensated for an afternoon of pool partying with free food and drink and quite possibly not even being required to fuck, just have pictures taken of their frolicking.
Southeaster.I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.
GE.
AsianLover2
06-28-17, 14:41
I understand your point, and would agree with it, except I don't patronize the bars from which the Koreans get their girls, and I still continue, advanced years notwithstanding, to have a reasonably good time in the city, and don't get refused very often; and believe me, I'm neither young, nor good looking, nor any young woman's idea of a "good catch. " So in that sense, the behavior of the Koreans doesn't affect me. I come to have a good time, and I continue to be able to do so. And that's really all I meant.
GE.I just returned from visit number 50 to AC since 2004. I was only there 5 nights and BF'd 7 girls. Had an afternoon delight and a double. No problem having a great looking girl go with me. Yes, In many clubs you get the feeling you are in Seoul and the money showers just keep raining down. I guess it is great for the girls. However, I have mixed feelings watching girls push, drop to the floor and scramble for 20 P notes.
Like GE wrote, I always have a good time too. Even spent nights with 2 score birds top 10 bikini winners! The mamasans tell me which girls only go with Koreans. I only have had a couple of potential girls that looked good to me that fear a 'big American dick'. So good times are still to be had in AC.
I have seen 1 change that happens more often than it did years ago. Hot looking girls I know are BF'ing short time 2 or 3 times a night. As my girl told me. 'Honey. 1500 P + tip x 3 is good money for 1 night'.
Mr Enternational
06-28-17, 17:55
Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.Only 20 peso notes? Truly spoken like a person with extra money on their hands. The other day I saw 25 cents on the floor and asked a coworker if it was his. He said no so I picked it up and kept it. He said what are you going to do with 25 cents? I said spend it the same as I would if it was $100. If you can't handle little money, how are you going to be able to handle big money?
When I was in High Society last month I called a girl over to go buy me a drink. I gave her 500 pesos and told her to buy herself one too. She came back with my drink and all of my change, not buying a drink for herself. I said why didn't you get yourself one? I gave her 120 pesos and told her to go back and get one for herself. She never did. I guess she needed the 120 pesos more than she needed a drink. I think that is the chick I ended up taking with me that night.
The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?
Chocha,
Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?
Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.
Making it rain isn't such a big thing to the girls. Most of the guys who do this use 20 php notes and don't throw enough for any one girl to make a substantial amount of money. Most of the girls get one or two 20 php notes.Some girls have more cents than to step over $$'s to pick up pesos. They know the money is in the ld and bf.
Reminds me of one child beggar around 6/7 years old in front of 7-11. I gave him 2 pesos change and he hands it back and says 5 pesos please! Got to think a little bigger. Lol
Chocha,
Are foreigners still not allowed or wanted in Area 51? And if you don't mind could you be more specific in the location?
Right or left on McArthur from Fields etc.Why even go that far? There are P300-500 street walkers near that closed up motel on the side street near where Johnny's market is located. I have nevered tried any but seen them as I went by on a trike and a few pinays have told me about them. Mostly local guys go there.
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The point is that just because it seems like nothing to you, it could mean a whole lot to someone else. So they got 40 pesos in all of 10 seconds, when the average daily pay for Filipino workers is what?You make a good point Mr E that might be incomprehensible to most of us on here.
Apropos of this, I was recently visiting a Nthn Luzon province and I noticed the arrival of an affable Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") on his motorbike at the house next door to my abode. The woman resident came out and gave him 20 pesos. Away he rode.
I subsequently discovered that the woman next door had borrowed 500 pesos from him for an "urgent' purchase and 3 times each week he returned to collect 20 pesos until such time as the borrower had repaid 600 pesos.
Point of story. There are pockets of filipino life where 20 pesos represents a substantial proportion of the weekly budget. Hard to believe I know but this story is absolutely true. ISG members here who have ventured into these places and stayed there for any time know that 20 pesos is important to them, so girls scrabbling for such largesse in AC is simply the hard-wired manifestation of their experience with money matters in their home provinces.
Subscript: The next-door neighbor is a lovely person and soon after this event when we needed to borrow some onions from her I compensated her with a 500 php bill and an instruction to pay off the 5-sixer next visit, because his presence in the street troubled me.
Why did I do it when no sexual favors were involved? Because I can, and because I wanted to. My act is unlikely to upset the balance of expectations in our small community even if it unwittingly reinforces the belief that the foreigner who visits now and again is rich.
BrainDrain
06-29-17, 05:19
As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo. It was Ok and some potential girls but slim pickings.
I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am. The cut little numbers were streaming in after their workshift. Plenty of choice and very friendly. Had way too many options on the go. Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.
Ended up with a shapely little mother of four kids. Agreed on P1,500 to go home with me. Evening sex, evening BBBJ with CIM, then sleep, then repeat in the wake up. Will definitely see her again.
Happy days in AC.
BD.
Mr Enternational
06-29-17, 06:32
As I turned out I was on Walking street about 11 pm and ventured into HiSo.
I wandered around a few other bars and then returned about 3 am.
Seems some of the girls are definitely working with a pimp. If I am talking to a potential girl and she is approached by a grumpy older woman then I just move on.That is not the case. It is that when some bars close sometimes several of the girls go to HS and the mamasan tags along too for fun. I have never noticed them act grumpy though.
Indian money-lender (colloguially known as a "five-six") The Indians doing this are often referred to as "Bombay five-six" or, simply, "Bombay" to differentiate them from their Filipino counterparts in the trade, which is one not held in very high regard. But "needed", as you point out.
The Indians doing this are often referred to as "Bombay five-six" or, simply, "Bombay" to differentiate them from their Filipino counterparts in the trade, which is one not held in very high regard. But "needed", as you point out.The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.
The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.Well mine was just a comment to the sideline comment. But you make an important point. Many in the provinces still work for 50-100 a day (with perhaps a simple meal thrown in).
I have no problem with the "overtippers" (my view is that they serve to increase the supply by the allure of easy money) but I tend to stick to lowest attainable market rates myself, and tip OK when service is good. In my experience Filipinas often value "care" more than money. A small item brought especially for them, their favorit choco. Whatever.
The activity of "Boombay 5-sixers" was merely a sideline comment Pute. It should not camouflage the main point I was making that for many filipinos 20 pesos is much more than the "Monopoly money" that many of us consider it to be.Yes, RK's point is well-taken. Many Filipinos somehow survive at a borderline subsistence level, and yet manage to be appreciably happier than the comparatively wealthier foreigners. A truly admirable quality.
Perhaps material wealth alone is not the key to happiness?
By the way, if 20 pesos is a not insubstantial sum, then just imagine the relatively grand magnitude of 1,000 or 2,000 pesos or more. However, some working girls in Angeles and elsewhere rapidly become inured to such larger sums of money to be received or expected or sometimes even demanded from foreigners. Maybe not such an admirable quality?
Just one man's musings.
OM.
Well mine was just a comment to the sideline comment. But you make an important point. Many in the provinces still work for 50-100 a day (with perhaps a simple meal thrown in).
I have no problem with the "overtippers" (my view is that they serve to increase the supply by the allure of easy money) but I tend to stick to lowest attainable market rates myself, and tip OK when service is good. In my experience Filipinas often value "care" more than money. A small item brought especially for them, their favorit choco. Whatever.You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.
MrWoolyBooly
06-29-17, 18:56
You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.Deceiver! Cheater! By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?
Why even go that far? There are P300-500 street walkers near that closed up motel on the side street near where Johnny's market is located. I have nevered tried any but seen them as I went by on a trike and a few pinays have told me about them. Mostly local guys go there.I got to tell you I've been checking that area out for the last few years. Never seen anything worth while. And if I'm right (maybe not anymore) you could still walk in or drive in that motel if we're talking about the same place. At least you could before.
The place I'm talking about is on the left going up the street from Johnnys on the Fields side of McArthur. If not sorry. It's a dump anyway.
I'd still like to know where area 51 is located!
By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?Manipulate any energy saving device so that you can run the AC unit while you are out. Put the goodies in your travel suitcase, lock it. It is imperative to hide from guests the true size of your goody stash, especially early in the trip.
Mr Enternational
06-29-17, 23:14
Manipulate any energy saving device so that you can run the AC unit while you are out. Put the goodies in your travel suitcase, lock it. It is imperative to hide from guests the true size of your goody stash, especially early in the trip.Or you can be like me and not bring them shit. That way you do not have to worry about hiding anything.
Deceiver! Cheater! By the way, does anybody have recommendations on how to hide from guests and preserve in good condition in a room a bunch of SM Supermarket grocery bags of chocolate?Buy a 15" x 15" x 15" cardboard box and packing tape at National Book Store and tape her shut. The chocolates!
GoodEnough
06-30-17, 00:39
You are so right! An $8 box of chocolate "brought for them from the US" pays huge dividends, even if it was really bought in the local store.Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.
BrainDrain
06-30-17, 01:09
Had a late night visit from a massage girl. Has been lots of chat over the past four weeks as I legitimately thought she was a dating prospect. Paid for an hour (P300), she stayed for three hours.
I've had various successes with the wechat massage girls. There really is no quality standard or any way of knowing what to expect.
There are some girls that are 'run ' as a business. For me I've identified them as the ones with templates of massage services and price lists. They will arrive by private motorbike or private trike with the driver (BF?) delivering them to the door of the hotel.
Other girls are just freelancers using it as a way to get clients.
Others are working in pairs as friends.
In all cases it comes down to the synergy between the two consenting adults on the bed.
I have not had any good services with the 'agency' services.
BD.
MrWoolyBooly
06-30-17, 01:19
Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.They would indeed prefer PHP 1500 to a single tasty chocolate bar. However, I've had more ladies become friendly with benefits and provide even more valuable introductions to others after giving chocolates than with those who were strictly P4 P. My experience however is overwhelmingly in Metro Manila outside of bars, having visited AC only briefly a couple times. I defer to the experience of AC veterans on this thread.
Or you can be like me and not bring them shit. That way you do not have to worry about hiding anything.Probably very sensible advice, but I'm not always sensible and besides it's very tempting to do the choco arbitrage. Every cheaply bought choco bar goes a long way.
And, as they are the seller and we are the buyers. No need to impress them with chocolates etc, which admittedly I do, sometimes.
"Since when has the buyer got to impress the seller?"
Straight out of Mr E's copy book, methinks.
Phil supermarkets have imported chocolates etc, no need to pay western world prices and drag them half way across the world to the Phils.
Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.Logically, of course, GE is correct. However, remember that some or maybe even many Pinays are not necessarily bound by Western notions of logic.
For example, I have learned over the years that some Pinays will actually work harder for a 50 peso tip than for a 200 peso tip. Especially if they can actually see the cash. As part of my sexual regimen, I used to have multiple nightly private contests in my hotel room, with tips or cash prizes awarded on the spot to the winners from among several competing young women vying in various different, light-hearted, and often pornographic, games or events. All in good fun and for a good cause.
And chocolates, especially the larger Hershey or Snickers bars, actually seem to disproportionately appeal to many young women, especially in Angeles and in the provinces (where many Pinays are quite "childlike" even up to their late 20's or 30's).
Go figure!
OM.
Right, I'm sure most Pinoy's would much rather have cheap chocolate than Php1,500 to pay rent and buy food. Amazing the rationalizations of which the human mind is capable.You are not very astute if you think I give chocolate in lieu of a tip.
Fast Eddie 48
06-30-17, 18:57
You are not very astute if you think I give chocolate in lieu of a tip.To Salty.
I always bring a few Hersey one Lb bar from US and I always give the girl 200 p tip on top of that, they will give you a big hug and kiss be nice to the girls most have tough life.
Fast Eddie 48.
Streetlooker
07-01-17, 06:29
And, as they are the seller and we are the buyers. No need to impress them with chocolates etc, which admittedly I do, sometimes.
"Since when has the buyer got to impress the seller?"
Straight out of Mr E's copy book, methinks.
Phil supermarkets have imported chocolates etc, no need to pay western world prices and drag them half way across the world to the Phils.Since when do I have to impress them. I am the one that improves there lot in life not the other way around. Fact is I find that my life is a lot less happier when I have to drag a girlfriend around everywhere due to there overwhelming jealousy, lock down clinging and child like dependence on me to make all the responsibility decisions for them. They just don; t have much to offer positive besides sex and maybe cooking, cleaning your house, and washing your clothes for you and some of them are not good at doing even those things.
FuriousGeorge
07-01-17, 07:03
Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.
BroComplex
07-01-17, 12:06
I got to tell you I've been checking that area out for the last few years. Never seen anything worth while. And if I'm right (maybe not anymore) you could still walk in or drive in that motel if we're talking about the same place. At least you could before.
The place I'm talking about is on the left going up the street from Johnnys on the Fields side of McArthur. If not sorry. It's a dump anyway.
I'd still like to know where area 51 is located!One time I went to that motel with a santos street girl from wow bar for a short time and when I walked out one of the street girls outside offered shortime for 800 I said no she said ok 500 the girl clearly had a drug problem.
Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.A massage shop in Teodoro street has some stunners that also do outcall. My hotel was around the corner. Got the same girl 3 days in a row. 2 hours massage 1000 extra for FS. She was really great. It is the shop on left hand side past Elisa street walking south.
Streetlooker
07-02-17, 06:16
Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.Massage houses are all over the place in the area. Some are legit some have extras I find it easier to get a happy ending from Providers that I have seen several times.
Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.
BroComplex
07-02-17, 16:53
Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.Yes Some girls only goes with Koreans but you can still find a girl easily just don't go to Korean bar and pick the one with blond hair and blue contacts and you will have a better chance.
Dark Knight1
07-02-17, 22:59
Does AC have the same problem as in Pattaya where in many clubs, girls will only go with Korean men? I don't notice this problem in Bangkok.
I have heard girls are either korean or white girls and koreans girls won't guy with whites. This certainly seemed to be the case in pattaya where the very best girls only went with koreans.You will find girls there who don't like white, black, Asian and poka dot guys. They are all different human beings with different taste just go and I am sure you will find something.
BrainDrain
07-03-17, 00:16
Are there massage places around AC with a good HJ / BJ finish? Was thinking that might be a good daytime activity. Then a nap and then head out at night and bring a girl back to the hotel for the real thing. Still trying to figure out my strategy for my first AC trip.There are many many massage joints. Often the girls will not be stunners but good with their hands. They may not have the looks to be standouts by themselves so they find work in massage shops. There are also legitimate visiting massage services.
In all cases I have always had a happy ending.
My most recent visit to Fantasy Massage on Perimeter I was happy with the girl, she was clearly happy to get her gear off for a nice session on the table. All up for one hour massage, BBBJ and sex P1. 5 k.
How does the price compare? Similar to a barfine. No need for buying drinks, no need for a short time hotel or tidying of my hotel room.
I can recommend massage joints as a suitable day time endeavour.
BD.
A massage shop in Teodoro street has some stunners that also do outcall. My hotel was around the corner. Got the same girl 3 days in a row. 2 hours massage 1000 extra for FS. She was really great. It is the shop on left hand side past Elisa street walking south.How much for the 2 hrs outcall massage?
BrainDrain
07-04-17, 06:47
There are many wonderful girls in AC. Over the past few visits I've had some pleasant non-professional encounters with young pinay 19,24 & 25 without kids. What a pleasure their bodies are. The boobs are just firmer, there is no stretched belly and their vaginas are just perfect not having been stretched to the maximum.
The conversations are also so different. Less interest in money and less talk about the kids which don't exist.
How did I meet these ones?
19 - wechat nearby.
24 - facebook friend of friend.
25 - Tagged.
Happy days. I'm in AC for the next few days if anyone wants to catch up for a beer.
BD.
Chocha Monger
07-04-17, 10:08
Since you are talking about foreign owned business in the Philippines may I remind you of Lewis one of the owners of Lewis grand hotel and how he mysteriously disappeared after allegedly sold his shares in the hotel and in high society to his Filipino partners.It is not unusual for foreign business partners to be forced out by their Filipino partners who control 60% of the business. Usually, the foreigner's departure is facilitated by the Grim Reaper in the form of a native with a pistol. Mysterious disappearances in the past involved a 55-gallon oil drum, a few bags of cement, and a boat ride out to deep waters. However, methods have become more sophisticated and cremation is now considered more efficient.
In Angeles City, legitimate bars are being driven out of business because Filipino landlords have been raising rents and demanding a year of rent paid in advance. This is due to growing presence of the Korean mafia which can afford to pay large amounts of rent in advance to Filipino landlords because its bars are mainly fronts for laundering money from the drug trade and gambling operations. In 2015, Lee Sang Te, a Korean mafia boss and at the time Korea's most wanted criminal, was apprehended at casino in AC by the Bureau of Immigration. He had spent 6 years running his operation out of a hotel in AC before the South Korean Interpol tracked him down.
AC has a Korean population of approximately 20,000 and it has a Korean Desk manned by South Korean policemen. In 2016, they captured 18 fugitive members of the Korean mafia in Pampanga. The Korean police has established these units in other parts of the Philippines where the Korean mafia is present such as in Malate, Cavite, Baguio and Cebu. The night life in Malate has been largely taken over by the Korean mafia, and Koreans are now the preferred customers even in dives like LA Caf. President Duterte noted the increasing role that the Korean mafia plays in criminal activities in Cebu, particularly in the drug trade, extortion, prostitution, and kidnapping. This led to Duterte issuing a warning to members of the Korean mafia that they would be killed in the same manner as Filipino criminals and not be given special treatment simply because they are foreigners.
All of this means that the time of the Western expat bar owner is rapidly drawing to a close because they cannot compete with the huge cash flow of the Korean mafia. It also means that Duterte may eventually unleash his wrath on bar districts as they increasingly come under the control of a foreign criminal organization that has attracted his attention. Launching massive raids against such establishments would earn him additional political capital as it would be seen as protecting Filipinas from bad foreigners, which always plays big with the Pinoy pride crowd. Soon, he will need to feed the nationalists some raw meat as they are feeling quite dejected after Manny's latest defeat.
BroComplex
07-04-17, 15:40
There are many many massage joints. Often the girls will not be stunners but good with their hands. They may not have the looks to be standouts by themselves so they find work in massage shops. There are also legitimate visiting massage services.
In all cases I have always had a happy ending.
My most recent visit to Fantasy Massage on Perimeter I was happy with the girl, she was clearly happy to get her gear off for a nice session on the table. All up for one hour massage, BBBJ and sex P1. 5 k.
How does the price compare? Similar to a barfine. No need for buying drinks, no need for a short time hotel or tidying of my hotel room.
I can recommend massage joints as a suitable day time endeavour.
BD.The massage girls on fields are very cute it makes me wonder why are they massage girls instead of freelancers I mean they will eventually bang after a couple of visits.
Mr Enternational
07-04-17, 15:56
The massage girls on fields are very cute it makes me wonder why are they massage girls instead of freelancers I mean they will eventually bang after a couple of visits.Believe it or not, not everyone desires to be a prostitute.
BrainDrain
07-05-17, 09:27
The massage girls on fields are very cute it makes me wonder why are they massage girls instead of freelancers I mean they will eventually bang after a couple of visits.So so true. So a lovely freelancing masseuse met me initially for a date dinner. Dinner only then I needed to go to work. During the dinner she did tell that she did massage visits. I played along on the next day and booked her for a massage. That went well, lot of nice chat, some fondling and a happy ending. I wasn't really happy though as there was so much untapped potential.
Next night booked her for a massage service again. A bit of a massage then invited to her to lie beside me and see what happens. Such a super cute body, spinner size and with C CUPS.
So she is super shy and not too adventurous. She's good with conversation and nice to be around. Really there is no need to take any action. When I want a quiet, relaxing night I call her. When I want a pse, I find the right girl.
Happy days.
Bd.
When I was last in Angeles City in 2007 I encountered many cherry girls in the clubs who would go to your room with you but not f..k. Have not read about them in posts recently. Are there still cherry girls to be found?
When I was last in Angeles City in 2007 I encountered many cherry girls in the clubs who would go to your room with you but not f..k. Have not read about them in posts recently. Are there still cherry girls to be found?They are still there. I met one at Scorebirds pool party. She was one of the young girls who hangs out in the pool while the older, prettier girls compete in the contest. She let me buy her lady drinks and then when I asked her for a BF, she said she is Cherry. She said she will bar fine but will only bar hop and kiss. I asked if she will give BJ or let me go down on her, but she hesitated. I might of been able to talk her into it, but what a risk.
There are Cherry girls in the bars. Ask Mama san who BF's before you call a girl off the stage. This will save you buying a cherry girl drinks. Often the young hot girls are Cherry. It would be alot of fun. Often the girls who will BF are older and semi used up and usually have a child. But they are fun. They gave up on being pristine after having a child, and are usually ok with enjoying casual sex. The young cherry girls probably arent ready yet to enjoy casual sexual contact for fun.
You often see the Koreans with REALLY Hot girls. I wonder where they get them and if they are cherry girls. If anyone knows, I would like to know. If they are paying BIG dollars for the Hotties, I might be willing to pay it too.
BrainDrain
07-05-17, 15:06
We all know the contact we have with the SM sales ladies with their strict uniforms, stockings and heeled shoes. They look like normal pinay but the uniform really doesn't do much for their appeal. Wouldn't it be fun though to go to an SM staff party?
Anyway, one sales lady was particularly attentive to my needs when I was shopping for some items so I of course casually left her my phone number. Sure enough during her shift break I received a message. We exchanged messages and met after her shift. Out of uniform and even more impressive form and a sense of humour. Due to a later booking already, nothing happened on this meeting, although she was certainly up for it.
Will put her on the list.
Working here for a longer period does give much better access to the more local girls and freebies.
BD.
Hello Gentlemen,
I have been a long time player in Germany over the past 12 years or so. I have enjoyed many sex parties, and mostly widely available BBFS in clubs. Due to a new law BBFS is now illegal as is BBBJ. Looking to try a new venue. Have always loved the cute spinner types I saw in pictures here. Where can I find younger girls that provide BBFS, and ones that may work with a friend for some BBFS FFM action?
Thanks.
BrainDrain
07-06-17, 01:04
Hello Gentlemen,
I have been a long time player in Germany over the past 12 years or so. I have enjoyed many sex parties, and mostly widely available BBFS in clubs. Due to a new law BBFS is now illegal as is BBBJ. Looking to try a new venue. Have always loved the cute spinner types I saw in pictures here. Where can I find younger girls that provide BBFS, and ones that may work with a friend for some BBFS FFM action?
Thanks.Almost any bar in AC will be able to assist you. BBBJ is standard here and I've never had a girl want to use condom for BJ.
Member #4643
07-06-17, 04:59
They are still there. I met one at Scorebirds pool party. She was one of the young girls who hangs out in the pool while the older, prettier girls compete in the contest. She let me buy her lady drinks and then when I asked her for a BF, she said she is Cherry. She said she will bar fine but will only bar hop and kiss. I asked if she will give BJ or let me go down on her, but she hesitated. I might of been able to talk her into it, but what a risk.
There are Cherry girls in the bars. Ask Mama san who BF's before you call a girl off the stage. This will save you buying a cherry girl drinks. Often the young hot girls are Cherry. It would be alot of fun. Often the girls who will BF are older and semi used up and usually have a child. But they are fun. They gave up on being pristine after having a child, and are usually ok with enjoying casual sex. The young cherry girls probably arent ready yet to enjoy casual sexual contact for fun.
You often see the Koreans with REALLY Hot girls. I wonder where they get them and if they are cherry girls. If anyone knows, I would like to know. If they are paying BIG dollars for the Hotties, I might be willing to pay it too.Have you ever bar fined a Cherry girl for a BBBJ? What does that cost, and is it worth it? And, what does it cost to take a cherry girls virginity these days (is that on offer? My knowledge of cherry girls is based on something I saw on 60 minutes about 30 years ago, so I am curious about the reality in 2017 (of course, a 60 minute report on prostitution in the Philippines was probably all bullshit in the 1980's as well).
Have you ever bar fined a Cherry girl for a BBBJ? What does that cost, and is it worth it? And, what does it cost to take a cherry girls virginity these days (is that on offer? My knowledge of cherry girls is based on something I saw on 60 minutes about 30 years ago, so I am curious about the reality in 2017 (of course, a 60 minute report on prostitution in the Philippines was probably all bullshit in the 1980's as well).You are much better off asking a Cherry girl for DATY than a BJ. If she is a virgin then she probably has given few if any BJ's. Thus, it is to suck!! But a lot of guys will love licking a virgin puss. She might squirm like a worm while you try to touch her (oooohh, it tickles / hurts or I am embarrassed etc etc). Some screwed up guys that care about taking a girls virginity might pay big $$'s (I imagine they pay hundreds of US Dollars), but it doesn't interest me. I have taken a few GF's virginity, and it is usually not fun. Blood, pain, they run into the bathroom, then need to stop for the night etc etc. But to each his own.
Have you ever bar fined a Cherry girl for a BBBJ? What does that cost, and is it worth it? And, what does it cost to take a cherry girls virginity these days (is that on offer? My knowledge of cherry girls is based on something I saw on 60 minutes about 30 years ago, so I am curious about the reality in 2017 (of course, a 60 minute report on prostitution in the Philippines was probably all bullshit in the 1980's as well).My one BBBJ with a cherry girl in AC was a terrible experience. She was the only attractive girl I could find that night, but she had no idea what she was doing. Also, she wore two pairs of underpants for some reason. This is another case where fantasy is going to be better than reality.
I wonder if some "cherry girls" have a sudden reappearance of their hymen when they are asked out by a guy they don't want to go with. IIRC, one girl was asking 30,000 php for hers, but like Vic, I've no interest in that. I think you'll find that the asking price varies widely.
Member #4643
07-06-17, 15:05
My one BBBJ with a cherry girl in AC was a terrible experience. She was the only attractive girl I could find that night, but she had no idea what she was doing. Also, she wore two pairs of underpants for some reason. This is another case where fantasy is going to be better than reality.
I wonder if some "cherry girls" have a sudden reappearance of their hymen when they are asked out by a guy they don't want to go with. IIRC, one girl was asking 30,000 php for hers, but like Vic, I've no interest in that. I think you'll find that the asking price varies widely.My memory is that the attraction of the cherry girl was that she would be disease free. Remember- in the 1980's, AIDS was an automatic death sentence.
I agree that the concept of devirginizing a woman has no appeal to me either. I was under the impression that the cherry girls were well schooled at BBBJ, but this sounds like it is wrong.
I was offered a 24 year old virgin once in the Dominican Republic but she wanted about $750 USA. She was extremely attractive and gave a terrific BBBJ (but we did not have sex). When I next saw her, the virginity was no longer on sale and I spent a lovely evening with her for the usual semi-pro price. I was happy someone else had done the hard work and paid the big bucks. She was certainly a rarity for the DR, but money is better spent on ladies who know how to have good sex.
Have you ever bar fined a Cherry girl for a BBBJ? What does that cost, and is it worth it? And, what does it cost to take a cherry girls virginity these days (is that on offer? My knowledge of cherry girls is based on something I saw on 60 minutes about 30 years ago, so I am curious about the reality in 2017 (of course, a 60 minute report on prostitution in the Philippines was probably all bullshit in the 1980's as well).Few years ago I barfine very pretty " cherry " girl from Blue Nile. Reason is I was thoroughly sexed out from past few days.
She was called by me out of line up and she was very friendly. Kissing and groping was allowed and she was very horny it seems.
I had no plans to barfine her but after second lady drink she convinced me to barfine her and she promised to take care of me. We went bar hopping, disco and danced, went for late dinner. We both had a great time like boyfriend girlfriend.
Back in the room I took a shower first followed by her. On the bed she gave me a sloppy blow job but I did not come. I put my finger in her and she was dripping wet. She had good set of boobs which I could fondle and suck. She told me I could put my dick in her hole but only not go in all the way. When I did that she thrust her hips and I had to warn her that if she did that she will loose her virginity. At that heat of the moment I guess she did not care but I know very well if I did that I will be in trouble in the morning or earlier. I did not want any drama. She came few times. Like I said she must have been real horny.
Afterwards we took a shower together.
Back in the bed we talked. Asked if she was a real virgin she said she is. She came from a very poor family in Mindanao with many kids and they are all asking when she will make big bucks selling her virginity. She said she can, t wait till somebody pays for her cherry and she can make big bucks getting barfine every day. She also asked me if I wanted it. I said no.
Soon we were kissing and I started kissing her boobs and at the same time fingered her. She came couple of times. We slept and in the morning repeated and she gave me a nice BBBJ. I took her for breakfast and let her loose. After six months I went back and looked for her but could not find. It is anybody's guess where she went.
I had a great time with her although no real sex. If you want to barfine a cherry not expecting real sex go ahead. Most of them tend to be young and pretty. But do not force yourself on her irrespective of how drunk she is and even if she says to go ahead and have sex with her. I have heard lot of stories like them filing a police complaint of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or extorting you for lot of money with the help of mama San and her friends.
Sammon, you got a good cherry girl experience. When I talk to mamasan about BF'ing cherry girls, she always says barhop only. When I ask about going to the room for BJ etc. , Mama says no as they are afraid guys will r*pe the girls etc. Mamas really protect the young girl's cherry.
I think the whole cherry girl thing will definitely open you up for a scam. The girl can lie and say she is a cherry girl, and then claim r*pe etc. to get more $ out of you. But usually promises for a BJ etc will get made, then she will barhop with you, and then disappear at the end of the night when you are expecting a trip back to the room.
In general non-cherry AC girls will perform with sex. They often want the pussy licking, slow hot sex that can lead to their orgasm etc. This is because they usually aren't to get such great sex from Philippine guys. I have taken GFs back to the room and just wanted to kiss etc (IE go slow), and they wanted sex more than I did as they have had so little good sex in their life. BG's are the same. I can tell by how they act that they are horny and want a good F'ing from a western man that knows how to please a woman and is not too selfish to where he only cares about himself. But after the sex is over, if you give them a way out, they will take it. And with cherry girls, they will feel they can 'get out' before any sexual contact, and you are to have NO leverage against the bar as you took her knowing she was a cherry girl. She might promise a HJ or BJ or pussy licking, but when push comes to shove hours down the line, the cherry girl and the bar will have a different memory of what was promised. Just my 2 cents.
BrainDrain
07-09-17, 01:17
A few weeks ago went to have dinner at Porkys and it was closed. The girls next bar said they had relocated upstairs. But that was just a scam to get us upstairs.
This week I notice it is now an Irish theme name. Anyone had the time to go inside and check it out? I've had too many options but I will try to get in there later this week.
Sunday in AC, kick out last night's girl, meetups at 10 am and 1 pm. Going to be a beautiful day in paradise.
BD.
MrWoolyBooly
07-09-17, 01:42
kick out last night's girlYou make it sound so easy. The biggest draw to me of P4 P is they generally leave without resistance. I mostly pursue non-pros and struggle with getting 'em to leave on my timetable. "You don't pay prostitutes for sex. You pay them to leave after sex. " The challenges we all face.
BrainDrain
07-09-17, 05:54
You make it sound so easy. The biggest draw to me of P4 P is they generally leave without resistance. I mostly pursue non-pros and struggle with getting 'em to leave on my timetable. "You don't pay prostitutes for sex. You pay them to leave after sex. " The challenges we all face.I just tell them that I need to go to the office, they should shower first. I need to prepare my things so you might as well leave now.
Sunday is not going to plan.
10 am girl cancelled due to sick relative.
Midday girl is pushed back to 1:30 pm.
Another girl wants to come watch movies.
Loving life and options.
BD.
Hi Brain Drain,
Its sad that Porkies has hit the wall. I always enjoyed going into that bar, having a few beers, playing pool and enjoying the wait staff. I thought the place was well run and making money! Do you know why it has closed its doors?
BrainDrain
07-10-17, 01:27
Hi Brain Drain,
Its sad that Porkies has hit the wall. I always enjoyed going into that bar, having a few beers, playing pool and enjoying the wait staff. I thought the place was well run and making money! Do you know why it has closed its doors?No idea as to the reason for closing. Aussie owner I believe.
Streetlooker
07-10-17, 01:35
Have you ever bar fined a Cherry girl for a BBBJ? What does that cost, and is it worth it? And, what does it cost to take a cherry girls virginity these days (is that on offer? My knowledge of cherry girls is based on something I saw on 60 minutes about 30 years ago, so I am curious about the reality in 2017 (of course, a 60 minute report on prostitution in the Philippines was probably all bullshit in the 1980's as well).100,000 pesos is about the ave price to take a girls virginity.
Streetlooker
07-10-17, 01:39
Hi Brain Drain,
Its sad that Porkies has hit the wall. I always enjoyed going into that bar, having a few beers, playing pool and enjoying the wait staff. I thought the place was well run and making money! Do you know why it has closed its doors?Its now under a different name. Fixed up and made into a go go bar. Few lookers in there last time I was there 3 days ago.
BrainDrain
07-10-17, 01:43
Well my Sunday didn't go at all to plan.
The two girls that I had planned to interview were both no shows in different ways and various excuses. One left me sitting enjoying a meal at Jollibee. That's life.
We have to realize that while we are setting up meetings with multiple girls, the girls are also setting up multiple meetings. It's easy for them to burn off an unknown and stay with the certainty where they are.
I did have one excellent girl that I have seen before. Always great BJ, great sex but she has some connections around town that preclude me from going there again. That was a tough one knowing how much fun she is but knows too much about my work.
In the end about 4 pm I had been having a random wechat conversation with a normal girl. I was happy just to chill, do some work in my apartment and cook dinner. I invited her to join me. When she arrived she looked familiar, eerily familiar but I couldn't quite place her.
Dinner went well, conversation was good, she has a professional job and degree qualified.
The rest of the night went as expected, looking forward to seeing her much more. Genuinely no money expected, genuinely looking for friendship and affection. Genuinely aware I have a GF and NSA only.
So, with all of the girls on wechat, how do I find a normal girl? She explained the types of messages and conversations she gets from most. It's really not too hard.
Have a great day.
BD.
When I was last in Angeles City in 2007 I encountered many cherry girls in the clubs who would go to your room with you but not f..k. Have not read about them in posts recently. Are there still cherry girls to be found?Everytime I go bar hopping I find at least a couple "cherry" girls. Most of them are cute and young. A few years back I took a "cherry" girl from a bar on the street behind Burgos St. It was a western themed bar but is no longer open. We went bar hopping and finally to my room. A little fore play and before you know it, I popped her cherry. She ran to the bath room bleeding and said it hurt. We went to sleep and the next morning we tried again but she was to sore. She left and I went back to her bar that evening and mama asked me why I took her virginity?! I replied because she said it was ok. Mama was upset but never asked for anymore money, just the normal bar fine I paid the night I took her. I ended up paying her buy out barfine of like $300 USD and she spent the month with me. It was a fun month.
The Tall Man
07-10-17, 22:33
100,000 pesos is about the ave price to take a girls virginity.That is the exact amount that 2 mamasans quoted me a few weeks back in AC, one bar was Crystals.
TTM.
Hi guys, just looking for some advice from guys living in AC or nearby for a long time.
I'm in Oz but my gorgeous Filipina GF of 2. 5 years really wants me to move to AC so we can be together. She used to be married here but her ex Aussie husband beat her up a lot so she left for good and to be around her family. I meet her here and it took over a year before we fucked as her attitude to men changed for obvious reasons. I had to show her I wasn't an asshole. She isn't a bar girl either. Having lived in Australia for 5 years she acts more Western than local. I took her to Cebu last year and visited her in AC in December. To me AC is one street of party action. Their didn't seem to be much else to do during the day.
My question is exactly how can Westerners make a regular monthly income in AC? I didn't see many opportunities in Dec and I have a very good sales job back here. I'm guessing this type of work would be impossible to find in AC? I see some make money as youtube bloggers but that's not my thing. I have quite a bit of savings but conscious of burning through it leaving me little money in 10-15 years and I'm only 47. I have possible work contacts in Manila and actually prefer to live near the beach! Maybe open a bar but that will come with a whole lot of other problems.
I would love to move there and have a family with her but hard to think how I can support myself into old age. Even though cost of living is way cheaper in PH than Australia.
Any replies would be appreciated either here or as PM's.
Member #4698
07-11-17, 01:07
Shazzam, this is just my opinion and I can't wait to hear what other BM's will say, but I don't think you are ready to quit your job and move to AC. If your GF does not want to live with you in the land of Oz, then let her go. More will come your way, a lot more. Meanwhile, work hard, keep your head to the grindstone, visit the PI and other Asian countries to blow off some steam and get laid, save large, and plan for an early retirement that you can seriously afford for the rest of your life. Don't take anything for granted including the future rate of inflation (cost of living) and true love. The two do not go hand in hand.
BrainDrain
07-11-17, 01:50
My question is exactly how can Westerners make a regular monthly income in AC? I didn't see many opportunities in Dec and I have a very good sales job back here. I'm guessing this type of work would be impossible to find in AC? I see some make money as youtube bloggers but that's not my thing. I have quite a bit of savings but conscious of burning through it leaving me little money in 10-15 years and I'm only 47. I have possible work contacts in Manila and actually prefer to live near the beach! Maybe open a bar but that will come with a whole lot of other problems.There are a few jobs as country managers in Western run BPOs. There is a lack of quality talent available in the local marketplace when advertisements are run. There are US300 k jobs on offer for foreigners here in Clark, but they are few. The guys I know float between different roles in the BPO industry doing training, sales and senior management on wages like AUD60 k. The market is limited though.
Running your own business is the best solution to put you in control of your income. Needs to be a business where you have the revenues in the west and the costs here in Philippines.
BD.
Streetlooker
07-11-17, 06:20
Hi guys, just looking for some advice from guys living in AC or nearby for a long time.
I'm in Oz but my gorgeous Filipina GF of 2. 5 years really wants me to move to AC so we can be together. She used to be married here but her ex Aussie husband beat her up a lot so she left for good and to be around her family. I meet her here and it took over a year before we fucked as her attitude to men changed for obvious reasons. I had to show her I wasn't an asshole. She isn't a bar girl either. Having lived in Australia for 5 years she acts more Western than local. I took her to Cebu last year and visited her in AC in December. To me AC is one street of party action. Their didn't seem to be much else to do during the day.
My question is exactly how can Westerners make a regular monthly income in AC? I didn't see many opportunities in Dec and I have a very good sales job back here. I'm guessing this type of work would be impossible to find in AC? I see some make money as youtube bloggers but that's not my thing. I have quite a bit of savings but conscious of burning through it leaving me little money in 10-15 years and I'm only 47. I have possible work contacts in Manila and actually prefer to live near the beach! Maybe open a bar but that will come with a whole lot of other problems.
I would love to move there and have a family with her but hard to think how I can support myself into old age. Even though cost of living is way cheaper in PH than Australia.
Any replies would be appreciated either here or as PM's.Very difficult getting a job here if at all. The call center will hire you but its long hrs with not much money, but it is a option. Working a online business from anywhere in the world is another option if you have the skills to make that work. If you have a unique skill Filipinos can't do maybe you be ok with that BUT if a Filipino can do it they will get those jobs also over you every time even if your 10 x more qualified. Other then that If you don't have a pension of some sort, or a huge amount of saving to draw from or both your pretty much SOL.
BroComplex
07-11-17, 07:56
Another case of my girl but different. I can't wait for things to go horribly wrong.
Thanks for all the replies. Pretty much what I thought, have heard and saw for myself last December when I visited AC. If I win out Tattslotto draw tonight I'll be there on the weekend and drinks on me LOL.
Very difficult getting a job here if at all. The call center will hire you but its long hrs with not much money, but it is a option. Working a online business from anywhere in the world is another option if you have the skills to make that work. If you have a unique skill Filipinos can't do maybe you be ok with that BUT if a Filipino can do it they will get those jobs also over you every time even if your 10 x more qualified. Other then that If you don't have a pension of some sort, or a huge amount of saving to draw from or both your pretty much SOL.
Chocha Monger
07-11-17, 16:17
Hi guys, just looking for some advice from guys living in AC or nearby for a long time.
I'm in Oz but my gorgeous Filipina GF of 2. 5 years really wants me to move to AC so we can be together. She used to be married here but her ex Aussie husband beat her up a lot so she left for good and to be around her family. I meet her here and it took over a year before we fucked as her attitude to men changed for obvious reasons. I had to show her I wasn't an asshole. She isn't a bar girl either. Having lived in Australia for 5 years she acts more Western than local. I took her to Cebu last year and visited her in AC in December. To me AC is one street of party action. Their didn't seem to be much else to do during the day.
My question is exactly how can Westerners make a regular monthly income in AC? I didn't see many opportunities in Dec and I have a very good sales job back here. I'm guessing this type of work would be impossible to find in AC? I see some make money as youtube bloggers but that's not my thing. I have quite a bit of savings but conscious of burning through it leaving me little money in 10-15 years and I'm only 47. I have possible work contacts in Manila and actually prefer to live near the beach! Maybe open a bar but that will come with a whole lot of other problems.
I would love to move there and have a family with her but hard to think how I can support myself into old age. Even though cost of living is way cheaper in PH than Australia.
Any replies would be appreciated either here or as PM's.Whoa partner! Slow down there. You are moving too fast. Now, you said that you have only known this Filipino for two and a half years. During that time she made you wait for over a year before she allowed you to fuck her. The reason she gave for not fucking you was that she harbored feelings of hatred towards men because her Aussie ex-husband used to kick her ass on a regular basis. She left the alleged ass-kicking Aussie husband to return to her family. There are some red flags that should make you think really hard about giving up employment, savings and home to move to the Philippines to shack up with her and start making babies.
First of all, you only know her side of the story regarding the ex-husband. Sad to say, Filipinas are not known for their truthfulness. You should find out if the guy really was a wife-beater and what role she played in the altercations. Was she fucking around on him? Was she stealing his money to send to her family? Did she sulk and become moody when she did not get her way? Most importantly, did she initiate physical attacks on the guy that ended with him kicking her ass? If you don't know these things, you need to find out. You may be surprised at what you discover. Don't assume that the ex-husband was just a stereotypical loud drunk asshole Aussie wife-beater. In reality, only a small percentage of men fit that stereotype in cases of domestic abuse. Covert female crazies often tell the story of the abusive ex-husband to draw in male targets. If she is telling the truth, you need to consider that the regular beatings most likely left her with PTSD in addition to her deep distrust and hatred of men. These mental issues could manifest themselves in unpleasant ways after you become locked into a marriage and there are kids that can be held like a shotgun to your head. Remember that love is a feeling, and long after those feelings change or go away, the consequences that you made based on those feelings will remain.
Several years ago, I dated a Filipina who claimed that her common law husband, who was a soldier in the AFP, had kicked her ass to within an inch of her life. She said was unable to walk for days. Her body was so stiff and swollen. Crawling to the outdoor toilet was out of the question so she soiled herself on the floor where she lay. Her neighbor brought her food and water when the soldier was not around. After a week, she was able to stand and walk slowly with great difficulty. She begged the neighbors for just enough jeepney and bus fare to flee the village and reach some relatives.
I did not dig into why the husband had beaten her when I first heard the story. However, I noticed that the more time I spent with her over a couple years the more moody she became when I did not meet her demands. The sulking would start when I declined requests to lend the relatives thousands of dollars. It got down to where sulking was the norm, and her only explanation would be family problems. Then one day she kicked the hotel phone off the dresser as her suppressed rage exploded. I told her to gather her things and leave immediately before hotel security arrived to assist her.
That incident was a pretty big clue as to what really happened with her ex-husband, and one of her siblings confirmed my suspicion with the whole story later on. So, it definitely pays to take your time and learn more about these Pinays. Don't take their version of events as fact without checking other sources. Most of them show their hand pretty quickly but the more problematic ones are very good little actresses, especially when you don't live with them all year.
As for the bar business in AC, you will be at risk of losing your lifesavings due to a raid or local landlord raising the rent to unreasonable rates after the initial lease expires. Rental contracts for commercial spaces in the Philippines usually require the tenant to provide the landlord with a year of post-dated checks to be cashed monthly or quarterly. However, AC landlords now asking that the rent be paid a year in advance as bars ran by the Korean mafia have no problem handing over that much cash up front since cash flow is not an issue. Local laws favor landlords allowing them to break leasing contracts at any time with a three-month notice in cases where they wish to use the property for their own business. This means your business, and every dollar invested in it, is always 90 days away from disaster depending on the landlord's whims. If the business is successful and generates a lot of foot traffic, it is not unusual for the landlord to start getting ideas.
The Philippines has many elderly Westerners living there illegally. These guys entered the country legally and maintained their status for years until a medical disaster or accident struck them personally or one of their children. They fell behind on the visa extension fees and exit requirements. The penalties started to accrue. Now, 25 to 35 years later they are deportable aliens. Many of them cannot even remember the name of the woman who first convinced them to move there. Their savings are long gone and some have had disability pensions cut off because they failed to keep up with verification paperwork. Some have no prospects back in their homeland and will die as penniless drunks in the Philippines. A lot of them never imagined things ending like that when they arrived decades ago. Most of them are not living in AC as that actually requires a bit of money.
Blanquiceleste
07-12-17, 14:48
I'm in Oz but my gorgeous Filipina GF of 2. 5 years really wants me to move to AC so we can be together. Any particular reason she wants to move to AC? I am assuming her reply would be that her 'pamily' is there in AC.
It is entirely possible that she has a pinoy boyfriend who is a trike driver in AC. You know where this is going then, don't you?
Chocha Monger
07-12-17, 15:17
Any particular reason she wants to move to AC? I am assuming her reply would be that her 'pamily' is there in AC.
It is entirely possible that she has a pinoy boyfriend who is a trike driver in AC. You know where this is going then, don't you?Well, the trike driver boyfriend in AC would explain why she made him wait for more than a year before letting him fuck her. Pinays do not go that long without someone's cock inside of them. So, if Shazzam was not fucking her for more than a year, someone else was doing the fucking.
Also, if the Aussie ex-husband was such an wife-beater, why did she get into a relationship with another Aussie? She wants Shazzam to leave Oz taking his nest egg with him to AC where he cannot own property or a business unless it is in her name. She does not want to live with him in Oz. Instead, she wants to be close to her family because family #1. We can see where this is going, and it is not in Shazzam's favor.
Tally Wacker
07-12-17, 20:19
Any particular reason she wants to move to AC? I am assuming her reply would be that her 'pamily' is there in AC.
It is entirely possible that she has a pinoy boyfriend who is a trike driver in AC. You know where this is going then, don't you?Free trike rides?
Streetlooker
07-13-17, 05:15
Hi guys, just looking for some advice from guys living in AC or nearby for a long time.
I'm in Oz but my gorgeous Filipina GF of 2. 5 years really wants me to move to AC so we can be together. She used to be married here but her ex Aussie husband beat her up a lot so she left for good and to be around her family. I meet her here and it took over a year before we fucked as her attitude to men changed for obvious reasons. I had to show her I wasn't an asshole. She isn't a bar girl either. Having lived in Australia for 5 years she acts more Western than local. I took her to Cebu last year and visited her in AC in December. To me AC is one street of party action. Their didn't seem to be much else to do during the day.
My question is exactly how can Westerners make a regular monthly income in AC? I didn't see many opportunities in Dec and I have a very good sales job back here. I'm guessing this type of work would be impossible to find in AC? I see some make money as youtube bloggers but that's not my thing. I have quite a bit of savings but conscious of burning through it leaving me little money in 10-15 years and I'm only 47. I have possible work contacts in Manila and actually prefer to live near the beach! Maybe open a bar but that will come with a whole lot of other problems.
I would love to move there and have a family with her but hard to think how I can support myself into old age. Even though cost of living is way cheaper in PH than Australia.
Any replies would be appreciated either here or as PM's.Run has fast as you can from this situation. Heed the warning from all these other guys Its not going to end well for you. However If you still feel like taking the chance this girl is on the up and up and she's different. Then Please don, t cry, moan, *****, or complain. When the time comes you are headed back to oz broke and your dreams are shattered. RUN! Don't be the next guy who quit a good job back home to move here and be with a filipina they really are not that worth it. Don; t be the next guy to open a bar and think they can make it work because its not like it used to be here with bars You will get fleeced for all your profits to the officials if you have any profits that is. RUN!
She isn't a bar girl either... To me AC is one street of party action. Their didn't seem to be much else to do during the day.She lives in AC but isn't a bar girl? How, exactly, did she claim to meet her previous husband? You say yourself, there is nothing else to do in AC. She has to support her family somehow. She's hoping you can come and take over for her.
What is the age difference between the two of you, more than 10 years? The larger the age gap, the less likely she is interested in a romantic relationship with you. Stop sending her money and see how long it lasts.
You may think we are all a bunch of cynics, but we know that the Philippines has a cottage industry of separating a fool from his money. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but it is even better to learn from others'.
There are "normal" (non bargirls) in AC but you (and other commentators) are right, SP, this guy should wise up and run for his life!
She lives in AC but isn't a bar girl?
You may think we are all a bunch of cynics, but we know that the Philippines has a cottage industry of separating a fool from his money. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but it is even better to learn from others'.
The Tall Man
07-13-17, 17:18
She lives in AC but isn't a bar girl? How, exactly, did she claim to meet her previous husband? You say yourself, there is nothing else to do in AC. She has to support her family somehow. She's hoping you can come and take over for her.
What is the age difference between the two of you, more than 10 years? The larger the age gap, the less likely she is interested in a romantic relationship with you. Stop sending her money and see how long it lasts.
You may think we are all a bunch of cynics, but we know that the Philippines has a cottage industry of separating a fool from his money. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but it is even better to learn from others'.True all this and others have commented about your situation Shazzam. Please please please run, lick your wounds, pray a lot, do whatever you need to but get yourself out of this situation now, once the fog lifts from your eyes and mind, perhaps months or a year from now you will be thanking all of us!
TTM.
Mr Enternational
07-13-17, 18:42
There are "normal" (non bargirls) in AC but you (and other commentators) are right, SP, this guy should wise up and run for his life!Maybe his girl is different. The first two things I would ask are is she educated and does she have a good job? If not, then do as everyone else has instructed.
There are "normal" (non bargirls) in AC but you (and other commentators) are right, SP, this guy should wise up and run for his life!Yes and I can confirm. Once dated a 30 years old nanny, no children, never married, found on DIA. Had to make up some stories why I should come over to Angeles. Only for her of course. LOL. But she took it, we met in SM Mall, went for lunch and off to my hotel, as it was a rainy day. It was a week afternoon's well spent.
Chocha Monger
07-13-17, 23:56
She lives in AC but isn't a bar girl? How, exactly, did she claim to meet her previous husband? You say yourself, there is nothing else to do in AC. She has to support her family somehow. She's hoping you can come and take over for her.
What is the age difference between the two of you, more than 10 years? The larger the age gap, the less likely she is interested in a romantic relationship with you. Stop sending her money and see how long it lasts.
You may think we are all a bunch of cynics, but we know that the Philippines has a cottage industry of separating a fool from his money. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but it is even better to learn from others'.He said that she is originally from Isabela, which is approximately 7.5 hours by bus from Angeles City. Although, he said that she is not a bar girl, he did not rule out the possibility that she may have been one when the Aussie ex-husband found her. Anyway, not being a bar girl does not count for much in Angeles City these days as many girls opt to work in the gig economy as freelancers. They find guys online using social media, or offline at the malls, pool halls, and discos like High Society. The bars are just one of the older venues to catch a foreigner. Girls may have family or friends working in AC, they provide room and board while the girl learns how to fleece foreigners in the love tourism industry. So, many girls in AC never set foot in a bar but learn all they need to know from girls who do. Anyone walking around in that city with a Pinay will notice that she is being questioned and advised on how to handle her foreigner by shopkeepers, waitresses, hairdressers, receptionists, etc. This is one reason to learn the language but never let on that you understand what is being said.
What brought her Angeles City? Foreigners like her Aussie ex-husband and Shazzam. Most Filipinas with foreigners there do not even bother denying that these days unless they are up to something really evil like having you whacked after you buy the house, SUV, and a large life insurance policy with your sweetheart as the beneficiary. She probably has sponsors to support her family but Shazzam is the most promising as he has a nest egg that will last at least 15 years. More importantly, he is willing to marry her, make babies, and take up the responsibility of supporting her large family. The girl is no dunce! She put in 5 years living with the Aussie husband and learning just how to twist a sexually deprived Westerner's dick. She knows what it is like to be 47-years-old with no chance of getting puss from younger women in Oz, unless it involves purchasing it at a brothel. Notice that she was so confident that Shazzam was not going to give up the chase that she refused to give him pussy for well over a year until he proved himself worthy. She knew that she had her hooks in him and there was little risk in holding the pussy hostage for an extended period of negotiations. I just wonder what he promised her in exchange for handing over the puss, it must have been a large concession.
Some guys learn that in relationships where the guy has to chase the pussy long and hard, he is the one that usually ends up played out, financially drained, and heartbroken. The one doing the chasing has a lot more invested in the relationship than the one being chased. Most men will not learn this until it is too late. The girl learned that the Aussie husband did not put up with whatever she was doing before an ass-kicking came due. So this time, she made sure her next target would take whatever she dished out. She also wants her family to be close in case she needs some back up to take care of things. We know that she still harbors some repressed hatred for the Aussie man who stomped her down, meaning that when things go bad poor Shazzam is really going to pay the piper for every tune, whether he called it or not.
Anyhow, I doubt Shazzam is going to heed the warnings. He is really in love with this Pinay spinner and he thinks that she is different from the others. This is clear in the way he sets her apart, pointing out that she is not a bar girl and that she thinks like a Western woman. Well, I will give him that the man-hater part sounds like a Western woman, but the part where she wants him to quit his job, move to AC to be close to the family, and start a business to support the family sounds very typically Pinay.
With such great interest maybe ISG can start a new forum "I told you so".
Meanwhile anybody getting any sex in Angeles?
This guy needs to read the dictionary definition of a "Captain Save A Ho" and see if the definition fits him! "E-40 the rap artist coined the phrase captain save a ho.
Where a guy will take care of a goldigger. Pay for everything. Pay for goldie to get her nails done, hair done, get a cellular hooked up. The guy will be a sucker for the girl and take care of paying for her kids. He will come to the girls rescue like a superhero in attempt to get some play. Dine her and she will take advantage of him. He would actually say I will save a ho baby I am here for you.
Make captain save a ho take care of your kids (or family in the Philippines). Make your kids his. It is all part of that take care of me like a superhero with an S on the chest, When I call on the cellular you hooked up, come and save me." Urban Dictionary.
This Captain Save A Ho from Australia better watch out. It never ends well for the White Knights, Pussy Beggars or Captain Save A Hos! When the Australian 2 legged ATM runs out of money, so will this Pinay!
With such great interest maybe ISG can start a new forum "I told you so".
Meanwhile anybody getting any sex in Angeles?
BrainDrain
07-14-17, 09:43
Meanwhile anybody getting any sex in Angeles?Yes, life goes on. I checked out that new Irish theme bar in place of Porky's.
Same, same, same but with green skirt on the girls.
It's Friday afternoon time or a nap and head out later.
BD.
Chocha Monger
07-15-17, 09:11
This guy needs to read the dictionary definition of a "Captain Save A Ho" and see if the definition fits him! "E-40 the rap artist coined the phrase captain save a ho.
Where a guy will take care of a goldigger. Pay for everything. Pay for goldie to get her nails done, hair done, get a cellular hooked up. The guy will be a sucker for the girl and take care of paying for her kids. He will come to the girls rescue like a superhero in attempt to get some play. Dine her and she will take advantage of him. He would actually say I will save a ho baby I am here for you.
Make captain save a ho take care of your kids (or family in the Philippines). Make your kids his. It is all part of that take care of me like a superhero with an S on the chest, When I call on the cellular you hooked up, come and save me." Urban Dictionary.
This Captain Save A Ho from Australia better watch out. It never ends well for the White Knights, Pussy Beggars or Captain Save A Hos! When the Australian 2 legged ATM runs out of money, so will this Pinay!That would make a nice talk show topic, "My baby looks like a trike driver, what now?" and other fucked up stories from Angeles City. It can't be that expensive to get a camera crew to follow him around to produce a reality TV show that will air in Australia, North America, and the United Kingdom. Maybe some fellas can put up some money and skills to form Screaming Koala Productions, Inc. There is definitely a market for it and new fellas get off the plane each day to create new drama with the fallen angels of AC.
https://youtu.be/NvDPpMVfvAg?t=7
Streetlooker
07-15-17, 10:47
With such great interest maybe ISG can start a new forum "I told you so".
Meanwhile anybody getting any sex in Angeles?Just got some about a HR ago. Small little cutie from Mischief bar. Yummy yum!!
He said that she is originally from Isabela, which is approximately 7.5 hours by bus from Angeles City. Although, he said that she is not a bar girl, he did not rule out the possibility that she may have been one when the Aussie ex-husband found her. Anyway, not being a bar girl does not count for much in Angeles City these days as many girls opt to work in the gig economy as freelancers. They find guys online using social media, or offline at the malls, pool halls, and discos like High Society. The bars are just one of the older venues to catch a foreigner. Girls may have family or friends working in AC, they provide room and board while the girl learns how to fleece foreigners in the love tourism industry. So, many girls in AC never set foot in a bar but learn all they need to know from girls who do. Anyone walking around in that city with a Pinay will notice that she is being questioned and advised on how to handle her foreigner by shopkeepers, waitresses, hairdressers, receptionists, etc. This is one reason to learn the language but never let on that you understand what is being said.
What brought her Angeles City? Foreigners like her Aussie ex-husband and Shazzam. Most Filipinas with foreigners there do not even bother denying that these days unless they are up to something really evil like having you whacked after you buy the house, SUV, and a large life insurance policy with your sweetheart as the beneficiary. She probably has sponsors to support her family but Shazzam is the most promising as he has a nest egg that will last at least 15 years. More importantly, he is willing to marry her, make babies, and take up the responsibility of supporting her large family. The girl is no dunce! She put in 5 years living with the Aussie husband and learning just how to twist a sexually deprived Westerner's dick. She knows what it is like to be 47-years-old with no chance of getting puss from younger women in Oz, unless it involves purchasing it at a brothel. Notice that she was so confident that Shazzam was not going to give up the chase that she refused to give him pussy for well over a year until he proved himself worthy. She knew that she had her hooks in him and there was little risk in holding the pussy hostage for an extended period of negotiations. I just wonder what he promised her in exchange for handing over the puss, it must have been a large concession.
Some guys learn that in relationships where the guy has to chase the pussy long and hard, he is the one that usually ends up played out, financially drained, and heartbroken. The one doing the chasing has a lot more invested in the relationship than the one being chased. Most men will not learn this until it is too late. The girl learned that the Aussie husband did not put up with whatever she was doing before an ass-kicking came due. So this time, she made sure her next target would take whatever she dished out. She also wants her family to be close in case she needs some back up to take care of things. We know that she still harbors some repressed hatred for the Aussie man who stomped her down, meaning that when things go bad poor Shazzam is really going to pay the piper for every tune, whether he called it or not.
Anyhow, I doubt Shazzam is going to heed the warnings. He is really in love with this Pinay spinner and he thinks that she is different from the others. This is clear in the way he sets her apart, pointing out that she is not a bar girl and that she thinks like a Western woman. Well, I will give him that the man-hater part sounds like a Western woman, but the part where she wants him to quit his job, move to AC to be close to the family, and start a business to support the family sounds very typically Pinay.And she's very resourceful too.
FuriousGeorge
07-15-17, 20:50
Alright so I've booked my first trip to the Philippines for the 25th of this month. The plan is to stay 2 nights in Manila at the City Garden hotel before heading to Angeles City. First night I'll check out a few gogo bars and maybe bring a girl back. Second night (Thursday) I'm going to the Royal club which hopefully be a good spot for civilians and freelancers. I'm a tall fit youngish guy so I'll see what I can get into.
Friday I'll head up to AC. I want to just hire a car or taxi and not take a bus. Have seen a few services that offer this but not sure which to choose. Any tips in this department would be appreciated.
Friday arriving at Score Birds. The pool party with the girls looks interesting. There are some good videos on YouTube. High Society that night and probably Saturday. I like that it's right there and hopefully will have a mix of pros and civilians to work on. Will check out the various other bars during the rest of my stay there.
I'm in AC for 5 days. I hope this isn't so long that I'll get bored. Is there anything to do during the day? Is there a mall or something where regular girls hang out? I'll have my Tinder running so maybe that will create some meet-up options. Otherwise I guess I'll eat and hang by the pool and get some massages around town. Should I just change all my money at the airport? Sounds like credit cards aren't widely used?
I'm hoping for mostly bareback while I'm there. I will have a supply of doxycycline, valtrex, and even Truvada. And a vasectomy. Life is a risk / reward system and this brings the risk to almost zero, and the reward is high.
Any other pro tips welcomed. Will report back.
Alright so I've booked my first trip to the Philippines for the 25th of this month. The plan is to stay 2 nights in Manila at the City Garden hotel before heading to Angeles City. First night I'll check out a few gogo bars and maybe bring a girl back. Second night (Thursday) I'm going to the Royal club which hopefully be a good spot for civilians and freelancers. I'm a tall fit youngish guy so I'll see what I can get into.
Friday I'll head up to AC. I want to just hire a car or taxi and not take a bus. Have seen a few services that offer this but not sure which to choose. Any tips in this department would be appreciated.
Friday arriving at Score Birds. The pool party with the girls looks interesting. There are some good videos on YouTube. High Society that night and probably Saturday. I like that it's right there and hopefully will have a mix of pros and civilians to work on. Will check out the various other bars during the rest of my stay there..I would not recommend BB sex. Or eating pussy too close to the ass. Hepatitis etc is around.
Wait and change your money on walking street. Much better rate.
There is the big SM mall. Find girls to go there with you else chat up girls there. See a movie.
Stay out really late so you will sleep most of the day. There is little going on in town until dinner.
The beauty of AC is it takes you back to your college days. Remember going out with no idea of where the night might take you? You can live that again. Be open to everything and anything. You might be eating and see a girl you like and you follow her into her bar and spend all night with her. Else you might BF a girl and on your way out to eat afterwards run into a waitress getting off shift and take her home for a massage and spend the night with her. The Tinder etc is ok but be up for all options as they present themselves. And try the standard FL routes: Hi Society, massage girls etc etc.
Mr Enternational
07-16-17, 01:06
I would not recommend BB sex. Or eating pussy too close to the ass. Hepatitis etc is around.
Besides that, I have seen several chicks with herpes, genital warts, or whatever kind of bumps you can get in your private area.
FuriousGeorge
07-16-17, 10:24
Wow I didn't realize there was a modern mall so close by. Thanks for the heads up.
I've been in the LA 'pick up scene' for over 10 years. It's a ton of work, time, and money. Even if you are an attractive tall young successful guy. Believe me. I have had a ton of success in the scene but I am over the work that it takes. For this reason I am really looking forward to my trip to Phils.
I don't want to turn this into a bareback discussion, but:
Hep be: I've been vaccinated against it.
Hep C: It's rare for it to be transmitted sexually. It is extremely rare for it to be transmitted from a woman to man. It requires blood to blood or semen to blood.
HPV: All the girls in AC have it. Anyone reading this has it. It's generally not dangerous to men and there's no test for it. Condoms don't protect against it.
Herpes: That's what the valtrex is for. I don't have it, but I realize that it's mostly just a social stigma. Also condoms don't completely protect against it.
Again, all of life is a risk / reward system. Educate yourself and make a choice that works for you.
Besides that, I have seen several chicks with herpes, genital warts, or whatever kind of bumps you can get in your private area.
Dear seniors,
I am coming to the beautiful city of Angeles for the first time next week. Please help me with what to do and where to find the right girls for fun here.
Also please help me with massage parlors that can be explored with extra service during day time.
Also any personal contact of girls would really help. Please PM me.
Thanks.
J.
You already wrote that you don't want to take the bus. But since you have questions, I'll recommend the Swagman or Southern Cross bus services. Most passengers will be people with the same interests as you, but probably much more experience. I've struck up a conversation on these buses numerous times and sometimes received some good information.
The buses run from Ermita, so that would be an inconvenience if you are staying in Makati.
Things to do in the day? You'd have to get up early, but a hike up Mt. Pinatubo is worthwhile. It's an easy hike, but you wouldn't want to do this if a lot of rain is expected. Most people wouldn't want to hike in the rain anyway, but Mt. Pinatubo has a lot of lahar cliffs which are not very stable.
Alright so I've booked my first trip to the Philippines for the 25th of this month. The plan is to stay 2 nights in Manila at the City Garden hotel before heading to Angeles City. First night I'll check out a few gogo bars and maybe bring a girl back. Second night (Thursday) I'm going to the Royal club which hopefully be a good spot for civilians and freelancers. I'm a tall fit youngish guy so I'll see what I can get into.
Friday I'll head up to AC. I want to just hire a car or taxi and not take a bus. Have seen a few services that offer this but not sure which to choose. Any tips in this department would be appreciated.
Friday arriving at Score Birds. The pool party with the girls looks interesting. There are some good videos on YouTube. High Society that night and probably Saturday. I like that it's right there and hopefully will have a mix of pros and civilians to work on. Will check out the various other bars during the rest of my stay there..
BaddHabbit
07-17-17, 00:17
They have already helped you Jerry.
They have posted tons and tons of information on these exact questions all through the forum. The only response you are likely to get is to 'RTFF', a response made to noobs like you (and me!) if you ask questions that clearly show you haven't done any research. Best to go back and read through the last dozen or so pages. Then when you ask questions it will be clear you are doing so having done some work yourself.
Good luck on your visit!
BH.
Dear seniors,
I am coming to the beautiful city of Angeles for the first time next week. Please help me with what to do and where to find the right girls for fun here.
Also please help me with massage parlors that can be explored with extra service during day time.
Also any personal contact of girls would really help. Please PM me.
Thanks.
J.
Wicked Roger
07-17-17, 00:35
Dear seniors,
I am coming to the beautiful city of Angeles for the first time next week. Please help me with what to do and where to find the right girls for fun here.
Also please help me with massage parlors that can be explored with extra service during day time.
Also any personal contact of girls would really help. Please PM me.
Thanks.
J.Jerry,
You have 6 FRs and 5 of those are in India where you are for digits and location yet never posted an FR if and when you got any feedback and visited the place. This is the 6th FR and again a question.
This is what many describe as manager vlass.
The PI board (and AC especially) has so much information that a 5 minutes (but I suggest 30) RTFF will answer all the questions. There are separate threads on hotels also.
So how about RTFF then visit a few places you find / catch your interest (there are many as you will see) and let us all know your observations and thoughts as there have been conflicting discussions on the board recently and one poster said the only way to find out is to experience it yourself and then write about it. Sound advice and'est pas?
Look forward to your first meaningful and informative FR on AC from a newbie eyes. Would be good to read.
Screaming Beaver
07-17-17, 12:17
That would make a nice talk show topic, "My baby looks like a trike driver, what now?" and other fucked up stories from Angeles City. It can't be that expensive to get a camera crew to follow him around to produce a reality TV show that will air in Australia, North America, and the United Kingdom. Maybe some fellas can put up some money and skills to form Screaming Koala Productions, Inc. There is definitely a market for it and new fellas get off the plane each day to create new drama with the fallen angels of AC.
https://youtu.be/NvDPpMVfvAg?t=7I think you might be on to something CM. Perhaps we can find an AC based elderly monger / Jerry Springer type who would host the show. There would be no shortage of nave newbies here who wind up supporting bar girls thinking they knocked her up only to find out the little bastard does not even remotely look like him. When the DNA results come in live on TV it would be great entertainment. I'm thinking this could be a bigger hit than the old show Wow Wow Wee out of Manila. Bar girls from all over would love to be audience members just to see the look on the hapless chap's face who just got fleeced by one of their sisters. They would be laughing their asses off. I suggest they hand out Red Horse beer to the audience to get everyone in a festive mood.
GoodEnough
07-17-17, 12:32
Alright so I've booked my first trip to the Philippines for the 25th of this month. The plan is to stay 2 nights in Manila at the City Garden hotel before heading to Angeles City. First night I'll check out a few gogo bars and maybe bring a girl back. Second night (Thursday) I'm going to the Royal club which hopefully be a good spot for civilians and freelancers. I'm a tall fit youngish guy so I'll see what I can get into.
Friday I'll head up to AC. I want to just hire a car or taxi and not take a bus. Have seen a few services that offer this but not sure which to choose. Any tips in this department would be appreciated.
Friday arriving at Score Birds. The pool party with the girls looks interesting. There are some good videos on YouTube. High Society that night and probably Saturday. I like that it's right there and hopefully will have a mix of pros and civilians to work on. Will check out the various other bars during the rest of my stay there.
I'm in AC for 5 days. I hope this isn't so long that I'll get bored. Is there anything to do during the day? Is there a mall or something where regular girls hang out? I'll have my Tinder running so maybe that will create some meet-up options. Otherwise I guess I'll eat and hang by the pool and get some massages around town. Should I just change all my money at the airport? Sounds like credit cards aren't widely used?
I'm hoping for mostly bareback while I'm there. I will have a supply of doxycycline, valtrex, and even Truvada. And a vasectomy. Life is a risk / reward system and this brings the risk to almost zero, and the reward is high.
Any other pro tips welcomed. Will report back.As I've said a couple of times before, I have the name and contact information on an excellent driver. Evidently you do not yet have a PM facility, so I cannot share it with you, but if you do pay up and get one, I'the be happy to share his name with you.
Arrived for first time in the Phill's today (from HK) with Cebu. Well not the best organisation from a airline at the airport there with a very remote stand but whatever. In the queue got my taste of how adorable Filipino girls are. I don't think I ever met a lot of them (def not at home, EU) and they look like the more innocent cuter (and nicer skin colour) version of Thai girl which I do have some more experience with. Anyway, 2 d 'monger' trip ever only so forgive me for all mistakes I will make this week but thank you to everyone who posted here as it does always prepare one in some way for what's to expect! Staying at the ABC hotel at a Fiesta Suite Lifestyle. Don't know how others feel about it but I love it. Super friendly staff (so far) and the room is amazing. I can see it not being for everyone but well I love it for sure. Anyway due to plane delay I didn't arrive until late at the hotel and it was 10 pm when I could either go to the bars / walking street or decide to call it a night or. Hit up wechat and that's what I did in this case. Found a random super cute girl who offered massage & BJ which I accepted. She said it would take 20 min to get to hotel. But after hour she still wasn't here. So I asked if she still planned to come and apparently she was there all sudden. Okay fine come up. They have to go to reception and reception asks if you expect someone and then they get send up alone to your room. I opened the door and there are TWO girls standing there all sudden. Ehh okay Hello, and come in. She brought a friend because she didn't know the area and how to get here she said. Hmm okay sure.
Now loads (all the experienced ones out there) will laugh at this but being the young newbie and all I literally felt so uncomfortable with it as I just didn't expect it and she said: no no I just sit on couch and watch / wait for you all to be done. Well I felt overwhelmed I guess and said no do you mind waiting downstairs for us to be 'done'. She didn't mind and she went downstairs. I don't know what I was thinking as she also would've happily 'helped' she said but I guess being still new to this and sometimes being overwhelmed by the possibilities I couldn't handle it haha. Anyway, girl's massage was amazing. I can't believe last time I was in Thailand for a month I never even done a massage. I want this everyday now After the massage I felt she was a bit rushed, prob cause she didn't want her friend to be waiting forever so she gave a blowjob which I'd rate a 4,5 quality and a 7,5 on the scale of trying really hard to please) was therefore okay but couldn't even cum from it but whatever still happy fella. Now I didn't know the prices what's normal for this so I should read rtff back again tomorrow but I paid 2000 total which in a few hours there probably be 5 posts saying I paid too much or I got ripped off but whatever. I literally had no clue and no time this evening to go look through the board again and just did a currency check which made it 34 euro and I happily paid that for the great massage and the nice treatment from her and her effort to come to my room. So it's all good. Before I go hit the bars tomorrow I'm going to read up better on the exact amounts requested.
So, a good night in Angeles and looking forward to discover more.
BrainDrain
07-18-17, 06:06
Arrived for first time in the Phill's today (from HK) with Cebu. {snip}
So, a good night in Angeles and looking forward to discover more.Thanks for the great report. It shows what can happen when you are in AC.
It's so typical but you were lucky. I thought 20 minutes means that they will start having a shower and preparing themselves in 2 hours. It's good to see you got them organised in an hour.
Had one cute massage girl last week that said she would see me at 5 pm, then at 6:01, "I will shower now". I just assume she was running late with the previous punter. Told her not to bother.
Enjoy your time here.
BD.
Mr Enternational
07-18-17, 20:03
Anyway due to plane delay I didn't arrive until late at the hotel and it was 10 pm when I could either go to the bars / walking street or decide to call it a night or. Hit up wechat and that's what I did in this case. Found a random super cute girl who offered massage & BJ which I accepted.Great post. It just goes to show that there is no need to try to arrange girls before you arrive. This guy got on an app when he got to his room and found a chick to come right over.
P. S. If you go to any of the legit massage shops I think a massage is 250/hour with a licensed masseuse. Maybe it will run 500 for them to do it in your room. I think a short time full service session on Blow Row used to be 700. Also I think some bar fines are 1600 and you get to keep the girl all night. Usually the wechat chicks will shoot for 1500 for full service on initial offer, but when you tell them 1000 they will jump on it quickly. So you make the call as to whether 2000 for a massage and BJ was too much or not.
BroComplex
07-19-17, 09:53
Besides that, I have seen several chicks with herpes, genital warts, or whatever kind of bumps you can get in your private area.I got warts from a bargirl before. I had to go to the doctor 5 times once every week to freeze them and that's not even the worst part. The worst part was the scars I had for 6 months. Now I cover up with bargirl and bb only with good girls.
So you make the call as to whether 2000 for a massage and BJ was too much or not.Thanks. Easy conclusion then haha.
Second day in Angeles: In the morning / early afternoon to SM Clark. Well that's a bit of a disappointing mall compared to others in Asia but it'll do I guess for 2 hours.
Later in day I went to sit in the front row of Kokomo's and this is what I would advise any other newbie / first-timer to do in Angeles. Just sit there late afternoon / early evening and see how things are in the city. You will make lots of eye contact and interact with lots of locals selling you all sorts of stuff (or well trying to sell). But anyway it's a fun place just to see things go by and it gives you a little feeling of the people around. Drinks are cheap (70 for jack&coke etc.) so.
In the evening I went to my first bar: Viking as I heard it was a good choice. Well: Quiet inside is understatement. Maybe 6/8 customers but lots of girls. The ones on stage were bored as hell and didn't even try real hard. I feel they are also much to far away from the couches so it's hard even making real eye-contact with them. The waitresses tho are all awesome and so are the tequila girls (never knew seen this phenomenon before). Ended up sitting with 1 of the tequila girls and 1 waitress. Real friendly and fun to be with and after 1.5 hour both barfined them as they wanted to show me some other places in town which I liked the idea of. First they took me to a place I forgot the name of (sorry! But it was a place where the girls were on a big stage surrounded by mirrors and they stripped down during music for 3/4 minutes and at the end they were completely naked'ish. Also when entering this place you have to leave your phone with security and retrieve it when leaving. Gosh they were a miserable bunch on stage tho. Not one seemed to be into it or trying much. Now there's also a ladyboy act which was so bad but it was incredible hilarious nonetheless. In the beginning it was an Asian looking guy but later he got joined by a second Filipino ladyboy who also did some random weird stuff. Anyway it's close to the casino and def. Worth visiting but don't expect much excitement from the girls for sure. If anyone recognised the place feel free to post the name of it.
Second we went to aqua at ABC as one of them has never been there. Arrived around 12 and there was only 2 other customers up on top. Very quiet. Ordered food for the 3 of us which is of real decent quality. I think girls love it if you take them up there and they take good care of you.
Afterwards we went to this place called 'RNB'. Now: Do take your new friends here! It's was quiet but I can imagine it being even more fun in weekends. They have booths where you can sit with all your friends. But the highlight is the band and the singers (2 ladyboys - 1 in a glitter Chicago bulls dress outfit: the) would give Maria Carey a run for her money haha. They take requests and they are just a real happy bunch and the band are good guys too. Whenever there is a break a DJ will play some music. But if you ever wonder where to take a girl they will love this place!
Afterwards 4 am returned to the hotel and we used the sauna in the room at the ABC. Nice for a change, then went to bed where the 2 girls (I learned from the first day and alcohol helped) had a great session with me. After the first session 1 left to her boyfriend where the other one stayed and I think she was somewhat of a nymph. I better be going to the gym to workout to keep up with this girl cause she couldn't stop. Thank goodness she had to leave in morning for family biz. Altho she had me promise I would see her before I leave for Manila. We'll see about that I guess.
Great second day The bakery next to the ABC is def. Worth visiting for some breakfast items BTW as mentioned before somewhere in this thread.
One thing I do hate is it feels like everyone seems to smoke here. I can't stand the smoke, the smell, everything of it but what can one do. It's just hard to avoid here. In Thailand and other countries I don't see it that much but here it's everywhere. Maybe time to put those horrible images on packages too.
I got warts from a bargirl before. I had to go to the doctor 5 times once every week to freeze them and that's not even the worst part. The worst part was the scars I had for 6 months. Now I cover up with bargirl and bb only with good girls.Like was said in a previous post, any monger or bargirl has HPV. Its just a question if warts appear or not. And the warts form above the condom. So take it for granted we all have it.
I just worry about the trip to the doctor and shot in the *ss you have to get when you get chlamydia / clap / ghonorea. One shot cures all so the doctors don't even test to see what you have. I have gotten the shot twice in my life. Once from a normal girl in the usa, and once from a girl I met off of filcupid. I wore condoms with the filcupid girl, but didn't use lube, and the condom broke, and bam burning when I [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134).
Now, I need to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) right after I cum even from a wank. Semen in the uretha itches. Its ok, but wearing a condom is a safe bet to help prevent any critters in the penis.
Also, think about it. You are sharing a vagina with other guys from this site, and you have got to know the hundreds of chics they have been with, and the hundreds of guys they have been with, and on and on.
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FuriousGeorge
07-19-17, 16:30
Correct about the HPV. Not to mention to the fella who thinks he got it from a bargirl. Who knows. It can be dormant for many years. You could have gotten it from your wife who got it when she was a teenager. You can't trace it. It doesn't matter anyway. It's part of having sex.
The idea that you're sharing bacteria with everyone from this site and around the planet is flawed logic. Porn stars have sex with thousands of girls. The girl either has a bacteria infection (chlamydia, gonorrhoea), or she does not. If you're going to spend a week mongering, take doxycycline twice a day and that will pretty much handle anything you could get before it can take hold. Although I'd rather have chlamydia than a cold. There's no cure for the common cold.
As I said I'm going to mostly hope for bareback when I'm there next week but I'll play it by ear.
....................think about it. You are sharing a vagina with other guys from this site ........................Quote of the month. Had to chuckle at that one.
Of course we are time sharing the V. That's what rental is all about. Does anyone prefer to OWN?
Chocha Monger
07-20-17, 07:06
Quote of the month. Had to chuckle at that one.It is the ultimate form of globalization because the vagina is not only shared with all ISG members. It is also shared with non-members from every continent and untold numbers of Filipino trike drivers, Viagra vendors, security guards, disc jockeys, jeepney drivers and other working men. Rental vagina is the true equalizer of all men. No one has to worry about social status, age, looks, personality, etc. This is the magic of Angeles City and the Philippines. Some even swear Filipina rental vagina is eighth wonder of the world.
Antibiotic resistance is a huge problem. Don't make it worse.
If you're going to spend a week mongering, take doxycycline twice a day and that will pretty much handle anything you could get before it can take hold.
I just worry about the trip to the doctor and shot in the *ss you have to get when you get chlamydia / clap / ghonorea.A shot in the ass for chlamydia / clap / ghonorea? Is that common practice in the USA?
I've never had that. Only pills, also in the Phils and Thailand where you can go to the pharmacy and don't even have to see a doctor.
Of course we are time sharing the V. That's what rental is all about. Does anyone prefer to OWN?Well, if that means I can ask money from you guys....
WestCoast1
07-20-17, 12:17
A shot in the ass for chlamydia / clap / ghonorea? Is that common practice in the USA?
I've never had that. Only pills, also in the Phils and Thailand where you can go to the pharmacy and don't even have to see a doctor.Yes. From the CDC (and other google medical sites upon entering: What is the standard treatment for chlamydia and gonorrhea -- which autofills itself in the search box):
For patients with uncomplicated genital, rectal, or pharyngeal gonorrhea, CDC now recommends combination therapy with ceftriaxone, 250 MG as a single intramuscular dose, plus either azithromycin, 1 gram orally in a single dose, or doxycycline, 100 MG orally twice daily for 7 days.
https://www2c.cdc.gov/podcasts/media/pdf/AudioRounds_Gonorrhea.pdf
Well, if that means I can ask money from you guys....Show me the rental agreement and occupancy rules.
A shot in the ass for chlamydia / clap / ghonorea? Is that common practice in the USA?
I've never had that. Only pills, also in the Phils and Thailand where you can go to the pharmacy and don't even have to see a doctor.A shot in the ass is correct, in US and Phil.
Well, if that means I can ask money from you guys....Sure, no harm in asking.
Also I see Chocha Monger is deeply penetrating our favourite subject or subjects (girls).
We have Airbnb or whatever its called, now: Renta-vagina-bnb. A new website near you soon.
In the Phils, never buy, always rent. And never pay up front, LOL.
Antibiotic resistance is a huge problem. Don't make it worse.K' girls resistance is even a greater problem, LOL.
BaddHabbit
07-20-17, 23:57
Show me the rental agreement and occupancy rules.What are the check in and check out times? Can we have guests in? How often does it get cleaned?
Show me the rental agreement and occupancy rules.
What are the check in and check out times? Can we have guests in? How often does it get cleaned?Maximum occupancy: 1.
Check in and check out time based on availability. Please check the calendar.
Entrance is only allowed through the front door. The back door is very small and has never been used.
Great view (but no windows).
Thorough cleaning after each rental period. During rental period on request.
Smoking not allowed.
Pets not allowed.
Guests not allowed.
Sublease not allowed.
Payment in cash only. Credit cards are not accepted.
Busy Diver
07-21-17, 04:14
Other than a few rules have a wonderful time.
Maximum occupancy: 1.
Check in and check out time based on availability. Please check the calendar.
Entrance is only allowed through the front door. The back door is very small and has never been used.
Great view (but no windows).
Thorough cleaning after each rental period. During rental period on request.
Smoking not allowed.
Pets not allowed.
Guests not allowed.
Sublease not allowed.
Payment in cash only. Credit cards are not accepted.
FuriousGeorge
07-21-17, 04:46
Uh, if you take doxycycline occasionally for a week you are not contributing a hill of beans to the global resistance to antibiotics. They give it to you when you get a root canal 'just in case'. You realize some people take it every day for acne, as prescribed by their doctor.
Antibiotic resistance is a huge problem. Don't make it worse.
BBFS bears a greater risk for the Philipina provider than for the punter. There is no way that a man who knows that he is totally STD free will have BBFS with a prostitute.
SouthEaster
07-21-17, 09:31
Turgid. Are you taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)? Considering the millions of us involved in our hobby you cannot possibly be right. No man? Dream on.
Southeaster.
It is the ultimate form of globalization because the vagina is not only shared with all ISG members. It is also shared with non-members from every continent and untold numbers of Filipino trike drivers, Viagra vendors, security guards, disc jockeys, jeepney drivers and other working men. Rental vagina is the true equalizer of all men. No one has to worry about social status, age, looks, personality, etc. This is the magic of Angeles City and the Philippines. Some even swear Filipina rental vagina is eighth wonder of the world.I always wondered about this. I understand that the bargirls probably have boyfriends in town that are trike drivers etc. , but is it in general easy for the low-wage workers in town to have decent looking girlfriends?
Whenever I come back to the hotel with a hot girl and the door man sees this, is he in lust? Is he jealous or maybe mad that a foreign man is banging a local girl? If the local guys make girlfriends with the local girls, then why are there so many single girls on filcupid etc looking for foreign men? And if bargirls are making relatively-big-dollars from foreign men, and the filcupid girls are able to date foreign men, then why would they date the low-wage-earning local men?
I am confused over the local girl / guy dating / relationship topic, especially for girls that are exposed to foreign men and the big dollars they have. You figure these girls wouldn't be able to find the local men, who make small paychecks, attractive. This is especially true when you factor in how good foreign men treat them in bed: licking their pussies, trying to make them orgasm, etc. , which I heard the local men don't care anything about. I have heard sex with local men is wham, bam, thank you ma'am.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
BrainDrain
07-21-17, 10:47
BBFS bears a greater risk for the Philipina provider than for the punter. There is no way that a man who knows that he is totally STD free will have BBFS with a prostitute.Right up t the past where you are pissed and the thai bargirl wants to go a second round and you are are out of condoms.
BrainDrain
07-21-17, 10:54
You are sharing a vagina with other guys from this site, and you have got to know the hundreds of chics they have been with, and the hundreds of guys they have been with, and on and on.
Had an interesting revelation during the week where the girl I have been seeing on & off (or is that in & out) for the past week told me something. I'm quite comfortable having her around and we have been very open about or exploits. She told me about a guy she had bedded about a year ago. Turns out I work with him. Kind of killed the moment. Don't think I can do it with her again.
BD.
WestCoast1
07-21-17, 11:42
BBFS bears a greater risk for the Philipina provider than for the punter. There is no way that a man who knows that he is totally STD free will have BBFS with a prostitute.Respectfully disagree. Some STD-free men will knowingly / gladly BBFS a sex worker. Some knowingly-diseased men will BBFS a sex worker. You be careful out there.
Shining Wit
07-21-17, 14:22
I always wondered about this. I understand that the bargirls probably have boyfriends in town that are trike drivers etc. , but is it in general easy for the low-wage workers in town to have decent looking girlfriends?
Whenever I come back to the hotel with a hot girl and the door man sees this, is he in lust? Is he jealous or maybe mad that a foreign man is banging a local girl? If the local guys make girlfriends with the local girls, then why are there so many single girls on filcupid etc looking for foreign men? And if bargirls are making relatively-big-dollars from foreign men, and the filcupid girls are able to date foreign men, then why would they date the low-wage-earning local men?
I am confused over the local girl / guy dating / relationship topic, especially for girls that are exposed to foreign men and the big dollars they have. You figure these girls wouldn't be able to find the local men, who make small paychecks, attractive. This is especially true when you factor in how good foreign men treat them in bed: licking their pussies, trying to make them orgasm, etc. , which I heard the local men don't care anything about. I have heard sex with local men is wham, bam, thank you ma'am.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.Reverse your viewpoint and look at it from the girls angle.
A bar girl who has graduated high school would be considered educated against her peers. Most are dating foreigners to provide an income to support their families (often 3 generations worth). I doubt they are considered great catches by most Filipino men of any half-decent income bracket. Marrying a foreigner and leaving the country may not be the jackpot (too many negatives) but is akin to being a super OFW.
What do they have to do to get the big foreigner dollars? Have sex with men who are probably twice their size and three times their age, don't speak their language or understand their culture (and probably have no interest in doing so) and spend their time drinking with other foreigners discussing topics they have no knowledge of or interest in, while being generally ignored.
Imagine if you were a gigolo having to have sex with elderly fat Western women who only spoke Korean and had to drag around behind them while they go to the hairdresser or spa.
Perhaps this might alleviate some of your confusion and let you realise that these women are just that. Women, and have emotional needs and desires which are likely better satisfied by locals than passing mongers.
Respectfully disagree. Some STD-free men will knowingly / gladly BBFS a sex worker. Some knowingly-diseased men will BBFS a sex worker. You be careful out there.True. Scarier is the knowlingly infected man or woman revengefully pass it on to anyone and everyone.
I always wondered about this. I understand that the bargirls probably have boyfriends in town that are trike drivers etc. , but is it in general easy for the low-wage workers in town to have decent looking girlfriends?
Whenever I come back to the hotel with a hot girl and the door man sees this, is he in lust? Is he jealous or maybe mad that a foreign man is banging a local girl? If the local guys make girlfriends with the local girls, then why are there so many single girls on filcupid etc looking for foreign men? And if bargirls are making relatively-big-dollars from foreign men, and the filcupid girls are able to date foreign men, then why would they date the low-wage-earning local men?
I am confused over the local girl / guy dating / relationship topic, especially for girls that are exposed to foreign men and the big dollars they have. You figure these girls wouldn't be able to find the local men, who make small paychecks, attractive. This is especially true when you factor in how good foreign men treat them in bed: licking their pussies, trying to make them orgasm, etc. , which I heard the local men don't care anything about. I have heard sex with local men is wham, bam, thank you ma'am.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.What makes you think FilipinoCupid girls don't have their cake and eat it to? I believe a lot of them have local boyfriends, but might enjoy a foreigner bedding them and buying things. But because of the age / language / culture difference, they will always feel more comfortable with a local guy who matches their education level and is known to their family. That's the best of both worlds for them.
Mr Enternational
07-21-17, 15:17
I always wondered about this. I understand that the bargirls probably have boyfriends in town that are trike drivers etc. , but is it in general easy for the low-wage workers in town to have decent looking girlfriends?.Why are you trying to equate money with love or a real relationship? Pretty girls would not have broke boyfriends? Broke guys can't get pretty girls? Makes no sense at all. Step away from a mongering world for a few. You are confusing it will real life. Maybe the doorman is just trying to hype you up. Come back with an ugly girl and see what he says. How do you compare 1 website to a country with millions of people? People in every country use dating websites to meet people. It says nothing about the population at large.
Chocha Monger
07-21-17, 19:51
I always wondered about this. I understand that the bargirls probably have boyfriends in town that are trike drivers etc. , but is it in general easy for the low-wage workers in town to have decent looking girlfriends?Yes. It is quite easy for the local low-wage workers to have decent looking and even hot looking girlfriends. Filipinos guys are not considered mere walking ATMs unlike foreign men. You are there to provide her with cash but the Filipino guy is there to provide her with love and companionship. She may have even brought her Pinoy boyfriend to Angeles City with her from their home province.
Whenever I come back to the hotel with a hot girl and the door man sees this, is he in lust? Is he jealous or maybe mad that a foreign man is banging a local girl? If the local guys make girlfriends with the local girls, then why are there so many single girls on filcupid etc looking for foreign men?Sometimes the door man is in lust but not always. You see what you consider a hot girl may actually be an ugly girl to a Filipino man. His idea of a hot girl is generally a tall slightly chubby white-skinned mestiza with a roundish face, long pointed nose and large doe eyes. In other words, his hot girl would look a lot more like a tall hot Japanese girl as close to the ideal portrayed in anime. There are very few girls with those looks in AC bars, and when you do find them most do not bar fine as they have many sponsors or only go with Koreans and Japanese. The general opinion among locals is that Western men like ugly girls because they go for the "exotic beauty" which is a euphemism for an indigenous girl with aboriginal features. In that case, the door man will not be in lust or jealous. He may even chuckle at the thought that you are actually paying for the privilege of fucking that exotic beauty but he will still be polite and cheerful as he opens the door for you. After all, it is his job to make you feel welcomed.
You must realize that low-wage Filipino men see the girls differently than you do. He knows that you are paying that girl to fuck you, so he has no reason to get jealous because he gets it for free or at a tenth of the price that you pay. As far as the Filipino guy is concerned, she is doing her job to earn a living and there is no need to hate you because at the end of the night your money pays for his beer and cigarettes.
There are many single girls online looking for foreign men for the same reason that lady-boys and Nigerian men are online with fake photos pretending to be hot Filipina girls. They are there looking for gullible foreign men to send them money. Many of the girls on Filcupid are bar girls supplementing their income. Even the girls who do not work in the bar have some sort of agenda that may not come to light until after you have met and fucked them a few times. When she is sure that you like / love her enough she will ask for cash and / or for you to take her to your country so she can work abroad to make big money to support her family. Of course, it will be packaged to you as love and marriage but do not be fooled. It is going to cost you money.
And if bargirls are making relatively-big-dollars from foreign men, and the filcupid girls are able to date foreign men, then why would they date the low-wage-earning local men?Because they can! There are guys who bring in six figures in the States who drive for Uber for a few hours after their real job because they find meeting new people and driving more stimulating than sitting on the couch watching TV until bedtime. Just because the Filipinas are getting money out of foreign men does not mean they will not fuck low-wage local guys. There is nothing to stop them from taking the foreigner's money while fucking local low-wage guys.
There are numerous reasons why the girls take the foreigner boyfriend's money while fucking a local sweetheart:
(1) They see you as nothing more than a source of big money. You may think differently as she will provide the ultimate credible girlfriend experience as long as you keep supporting her financially.
(2) She met the Pinoy boyfriend in school or in her hometown and they were childhood sweethearts. Her parents, grandparents and extended family know and love him.
(3) Many girls already have one or more children by their Pinoy boyfriend or husband. They need the foreign men's big money to support those children.
(4) Local guys allow the girls to keep dating and having sex with many foreigners as long as the money keeps coming in. Foreigners generally want exclusive sexual access to the girls in return for their financial support. This would limit the girls' income and require them to stop working the bars and drop online sponsors. Local guys understand that it is only business and are much more accommodating.
(5) Local men speak her language and she does not have to stress her simple mind to understand English or whatever language the foreigner speaks. She feels more relaxed around the Pinoy boyfriend as he accepts her for who she is.
(6) The local men are younger fitter handsome men who understand local culture and customs. They are accustomed to patiently dealing with tampo and enjoying the revolting local cuisine that would send some Western men retching and gagging.
(7) The foreign men spend a few weeks or a couple months with the girls and then he fucks off back to his country to work or wait out typhoon season. During their time in the Philippines they also fuck other girls. Therefore, Filipinas do not see them as a real source of long-term companionship that can be relied on 24/7/365. The local men are there all the time.
(8) Filipinos are one of the biggest consumers of porn in spite of their horrible internet service. In fact, the high volume of porn being streamed online in the Philippines may have actually exacerbated their glacial internet speeds. They know how to lick pussy and make the girls cum. If you still doubt this, just take a look at their scandal sex videos online. You also have to take into account that the guys fucking the girls are in the same age group. So, while the fucks are short and sweet, there are as many as 8 to 12 fucks occurring in a 24-hour period. The much older foreign men must pace themselves and are lucky to put out that much inside of a week without shooting puffs of powder even when aided with Viagra. Keep in mind, that most bar girls are impregnated by locals not foreigners.
Even the girls who do not work in the bar have some sort of agenda that may not come to light until after you have met and fucked them a few times. When she is sure that you like / love her enough she will ask for cash and / or for you to take her to your country so she can work abroad to make big money to support her family. Of course, it will be packaged to you as love and marriage but do not be fooled. It is going to cost you money.Isn't that what would happen anywhere in the world including the USA when a middle aged man encounters a young woman? The only difference may be that the American woman who does not work in a bar may try to get as much out of you before f..king you.
CaptainJapan
07-22-17, 15:37
Isn't that what would happen anywhere in the world including the USA when a middle aged man encounters a young woman? The only difference may be that the American woman who does not work in a bar may try to get as much out of you before f..king you.That pretty much goes for anywhere in the world. Sex is rarely free. LOL.
That pretty much goes for anywhere in the world. Sex is rarely free. LOL.But it is cheaper than marriage! If it flies, floats or Fucks. Rent it, don't buy it!
I never pretend that the girl is fucking only me. But she is fucking only me when we are together and that is enough for me. If I want her sleeping with only me for a longer duration, then I rent her for a longer period.
But it is cheaper than marriage! If it flies, floats or Fucks. Rent it, don't buy it!
I never pretend that the girl is fucking only me. But she is fucking only me when we are together and that is enough for me. If I want her sleeping with only me for a longer duration, then I rent her for a longer period.Ah, grasshopper, thou hast learnt well.
Streetlooker
07-23-17, 01:09
But it is cheaper than marriage! If it flies, floats or Fucks. Rent it, don't buy it!
I never pretend that the girl is fucking only me. But she is fucking only me when we are together and that is enough for me. If I want her sleeping with only me for a longer duration, then I rent her for a longer period.Yep if you want them for yourself you have to keep paying. They are only loyal to the next paycheck. Thats why its a total mythIMO that filipina's make good girlfriends or wives. If the money stops the love from them stops period (ok always exceptions so don; t get defensive all you my girl is different folks out there)) You will never be her top priority ever. Her parents then her siblings then her aunties then her friends then her cellphone and then Maybe you This is why Foreigners need to stop with the BS and start taking control of the situation. IF a filipina was to marry a Filipino man That filipino man would not be responsible to her families needs. She would be reasonable to HIS FAMILY needs. But for some fucked up reason mostly due to past simp, beta men foreigners creating it this way over the past 25 yrs when a filipina gets with a foreigner he has to also be responsible for her families needs in order to keep her. Fuck that shit. Remember most filipinas foreigners have excess to are of lower class status and not even considered worthy of a good filipino mans family. YET foreigners just give into them and there demands like the little simps that they are. I am done with being nice about this problem. I am the prize not them. I am the rare commodity that can change her life she don't change mine much if at all. They need to cater to me MY families needs and MY happiness. Fuck them and there mooching, begging, UNGRATEFUL! Parasite families. Think about this for a minute what does she bring to the table besides sex and sometimes they are not good at even that. And maybe a few cooked meals? The answer IS NOTHING, she brings nothing of real value to a relationship. Thank you for letting me rant. I feel better now.
GoodEnough
07-23-17, 01:19
I must be missing something in this discussion, as I fail to understand the contention. Angeles is a town based on sexual transactions: the BG provides sex as her end of the bargain, you provide money as your end of the bargain and when each has provided what was promised, the transactions are concluded. What's the issue?
GE.
Streetlooker
07-23-17, 02:29
I must be missing something in this discussion, as I fail to understand the contention. Angeles is a town based on sexual transactions: the BG provides sex as her end of the bargain, you provide money as your end of the bargain and when each has provided what was promised, the transactions are concluded. What's the issue?
GE.The girls are all promise no production. I call this good in the bar. Bad in the bed. Oral is promised in the bar. But in the bed she is complaining about not wanting to do it or just licking it for 10 seconds and then wanting to move on. Complaining about multiple positions. Complaining about taking to long to finish. Complaining its hurting her pussy cause that your too big so please be more gentle and don; t push to hard or to deep. Promising to stay till morning but wanting to leave after the 1st pop. (I want my morning pop too) Shit like that is rampant In my experience here the last 6 months. The girls are making the deals with sweetness in the bar, but when the deal done in the bar the service is lackluster at best in the room. Then to top it all off they want a bigger tip then you give them to pull a runner even when they didn; t earn a tip at all IMO. There is a few exceptions I have of course (which yields them a many return visits and a bigger tip cause I like a sure thing) but for the most part Its about 4 bad ones to 1 good ratio.
Mr Enternational
07-23-17, 02:50
The girls are all promise no production. I call this good in the bar. Bad in the bed. Oral is promised in the bar. But in the bed she is complaining about not wanting to do it or just licking it for 10 seconds and then wanting to move on. Complaining about multiple positions. Complaining about taking to long to finish. Complaining its hurting her pussy cause that your too big so please be more gentle and don; t push to hard or to deep. Promising to stay till morning but wanting to leave after the 1st pop.Man. I am glad I don't have those kinds of problems (yet, anyway).
The girls are all promise no production. I call this good in the bar. Bad in the bed. Oral is promised in the bar. But in the bed she is complaining about not wanting to do it or just licking it for 10 seconds and then wanting to move on. Complaining about multiple positions. Complaining about taking to long to finish. Complaining its hurting her pussy cause that your too big so please be more gentle and don; t push to hard or to deep. Promising to stay till morning but wanting to leave after the 1st pop. (I want my morning pop too) Shit like that is rampant In my experience here the last 6 months. The girls are making the deals with sweetness in the bar, but when the deal done in the bar the service is lackluster at best in the room. Then to top it all off they want a bigger tip then you give them to pull a runner even when they didn; t earn a tip at all IMO. There is a few exceptions I have of course (which yields them a many return visits and a bigger tip cause I like a sure thing) but for the most part Its about 4 bad ones to 1 good ratio.I have had some starfish in my days in AC. To lessen the risk, you could just go with the massage girl free lancers that hand out the cards on fields ave. You only owe them 300 for the massage, and then broker a deal later. If they don't follow through on the deal, then give them the 300 and kick them out. They usually follow through as they have already massaged you in your room, and know if they are horny / interested in doing a sex act, and are thus less likely to renig on the deal. Some of them are very sexy and all of the money for the sex act goes directly to them, with no knowledge of anyone of what they have done. Most of them will make you promise you don't tell anyone about the sex act (as they probably keep it secret what they do in the room). They get to see your body and know if they want you to do more to them etc. If you are gross to them, they might say any amount of money isn't worth it. So if they say yes, they usually will perform.
With bar girls, I am often tempted to go for the door girls as they usually are the best looking girls. But they are often the ones that will be a starfish back in the room (ie hug the mattress, not perform etc). I will often go for the girls with alot of makeup on etc as they are often the sluttiest. Buy them a drink and chat them up. Rub your dick on them and if they are slutty they will grab your dick, etc. They should be acting like they really want to get banged, else don't take them. And you can ask mamasan who likes sex, who is good provider etc. Often the Queen Bee girls (older, pretty, etc) are too good to be seen walking out with a guy on a barfine. Avoid them too.
Often we go for the young, clean, naive girls and they will try to please back in the room, but don't have the interest or experience. But it is fun to see a girl that is trying to be guarded really lose herself in sex once you get her heated up. It is hard to get this feeling from sluttly girls (they are naturally hot and horny). The shy girls come in nervous and unsure and guarded (shy to let you kiss their pussy as they are shy, afraid it smells, embarrassed etc etc), and end up in a sweaty mess and biting the sheets as you make her cum over and over. Love it!
So it is a hit or miss, but experience helps avoid the starfish.
Pipe Layer99
07-23-17, 09:30
The girls are all promise no production. I call this good in the bar. Bad in the bed. Oral is promised in the bar. But in the bed she is complaining about not wanting to do it or just licking it for 10 seconds and then wanting to move on. Complaining about multiple positions. Complaining about taking to long to finish. Complaining its hurting her pussy cause that your too big so please be more gentle and don; t push to hard or to deep. Promising to stay till morning but wanting to leave after the 1st pop. (I want my morning pop too) Shit like that is rampant In my experience here the last 6 months.Been in Asia for about 5 years now. Only been to the PI 2 x. 50% ratio for me with the bar girls. On my last trip about 2 years ago, I ONLY took girls from the club. This way if they complain about anything, they are out with minimum pesos. None of the club girls pulled any of the BS like the bar girls.
Was in a bar last night and all of Phil is non smoking now. They said it was a P5000 fine. Enough to scare places to plaster non smoking signs all over the establishments and enforce it.
Anyway I bfined 2 girls at 8 pm and had an amazing night. ST girls stay until 7 am. Went to the hotel for our first sessions and around 10 pm we got hungry. Went to Korean restaurant in Friendship and had Korean BBQ. Can proudly say I ruin it for the Koreans by being a big tipper tipping P150. I have heard Koreans are lousy tippers other than when putting on a big show with friends in the bars. The rest of the night went with boom boom, sleep, boom boom and sleep.
Dg8787 reporting in on Angeles in the Angeles forum.
Streetlooker
07-24-17, 04:53
Man. I am glad I don't have those kinds of problems (yet, anyway).Frustrating part of all of this is I never used to have any either. But I telling you I getting some really timid, shy girls lately that just are not doing what they nee to be doing. Lucky for me I have some relly good go to repeats to help fill the void of first timer duds.
Streetlooker
07-24-17, 04:55
I have had some starfish in my days in AC. To lessen the risk, you could just go with the massage girl free lancers that hand out the cards on fields ave. You only owe them 300 for the massage, and then broker a deal later. If they don't follow through on the deal, then give them the 300 and kick them out. They usually follow through as they have already massaged you in your room, and know if they are horny / interested in doing a sex act, and are thus less likely to renig on the deal. Some of them are very sexy and all of the money for the sex act goes directly to them, with no knowledge of anyone of what they have done. Most of them will make you promise you don't tell anyone about the sex act (as they probably keep it secret what they do in the room). They get to see your body and know if they want you to do more to them etc. If you are gross to them, they might say any amount of money isn't worth it. So if they say yes, they usually will perform.
With bar girls, I am often tempted to go for the door girls as they usually are the best looking girls. But they are often the ones that will be a starfish back in the room (ie hug the mattress, not perform etc). I will often go for the girls with alot of makeup on etc as they are often the sluttiest. Buy them a drink and chat them up. Rub your dick on them and if they are slutty they will grab your dick, etc. They should be acting like they really want to get banged, else don't take them. And you can ask mamasan who likes sex, who is good provider etc. Often the Queen Bee girls (older, pretty, etc) are too good to be seen walking out with a guy on a barfine. Avoid them too.
Often we go for the young, clean, naive girls and they will try to please back in the room, but don't have the interest or experience. But it is fun to see a girl that is trying to be guarded really lose herself in sex once you get her heated up. It is hard to get this feeling from sluttly girls (they are naturally hot and horny). The shy girls come in nervous and unsure and guarded (shy to let you kiss their pussy as they are shy, afraid it smells, embarrassed etc etc), and end up in a sweaty mess and biting the sheets as you make her cum over and over. Love it!
So it is a hit or miss, but experience helps avoid the starfish.I seen a lot of those message girls looking very young out there its scary.
Streetlooker
07-24-17, 05:01
Was in a bar last night and all of Phil is non smoking now. They said it was a P5000 fine. Enough to scare places to plaster non smoking signs all over the establishments and enforce it.
Anyway I bfined 2 girls at 8 pm and had an amazing night. ST girls stay until 7 am. Went to the hotel for our first sessions and around 10 pm we got hungry. Went to Korean restaurant in Friendship and had Korean BBQ. Can proudly say I ruin it for the Koreans by being a big tipper tipping P150. I have heard Koreans are lousy tippers other than when putting on a big show with friends in the bars. The rest of the night went with boom boom, sleep, boom boom and sleep.
Dg8787 reporting in on Angeles in the Angeles forum.Good to see a good report. I have some good reports but they are with repeats sure things. I am in a massive slump with 1st timers right now its like 0 for the last 4. Oh well got a repeat for tonight so Its cool.
Good to see a good report. I have some good reports but they are with repeats sure things. I am in a massive slump with 1st timers right now its like 0 for the last 4. Oh well got a repeat for tonight so Its cool.The other day I had a repeat coming over with a friend. Turns out the repeat came with 2 other friends, actually they are roommates and couldn't shake the last one.
I had it arranged that the two would rotate to the cr while one was getting banged. The repeat was medium build with some nice tits and tight poon. She started at the bar 2 months ago and would tire out after 5 minutes of hard pounding, leaving the second girl to rotate in. This girl was a little thicker but really a firm body. Her poon was even tighter. Hard not to cum with her but I wanted to try the unknown 3rd girl. This girl was not as pretty and even more thicker than the 2nd one. But! Her poon was tighter yet and I don't know how to describe it other than to say it was more meatier inside. I didn't last too longer in her.
The first girl was a 7. 5 and #2 & #3 were 6. 5. I have been having some great times with sub 7's. And I mean great times! Don't judge a bg by her looks.
Mr Enternational
07-24-17, 07:00
I seen a lot of those message girls looking very young out there its scary.Besides that, I always ask them about fucking and they say no. So take a massage girl to your room HOPING for extras if you want to. It may be a huge waste of time and money.
BrainDrain
07-24-17, 08:40
The first girl was a 7. 5 and #2 & #3 were 6. 5. I have been having some great times with sub 7's. And I mean great times! Don't judge a bg by her looks.Absolutely have to agree with this. One girl I am seeing at the moment is a solid body, pleasant face but she is just so cool to hang around, her BJ are super and she likes sex, lots of it. Omg and she is so loud, I feel like a genuine porn star.
I'm tired of the dramas and constant money talk of the bar scene.
There are good good girls out there that are loyal and fun.
On the other hand it is also good to have a complete stunner over just to look at her and enjoy how 'lucky' we are.
BD.
Crazy4Thai
07-24-17, 14:01
Besides that, I always ask them about fucking and they say no. So take a massage girl to your room HOPING for extras if you want to. It may be a huge waste of time and money.On my so far only trip to AC I asked the massage girl straight out while she was in the street looking for biz. She looked at me like I'm some old perv when she said no. Somehow from here on this board I thought I was doing it right. Will have to try again.
Streetlooker
07-24-17, 14:10
Besides that, I always ask them about fucking and they say no. So take a massage girl to your room HOPING for extras if you want to. It may be a huge waste of time and money.Maybe they just ain't going to say if they fuck or not because they are standing next to a bunch of others and he don't want to look bad. I personally think you got to go with the girl a few times and get her to trust you then you be good for anything. Just walked feilds about 20 minutes ago and I saw a girl in the message in the queue that looked 10. I shit you not scary shit if you ask me and I could not image anyone in there right mind even trying to take that girl to a hotel room even if she was 18 and had a ID.
BrainDrain
07-25-17, 00:16
On my so far only trip to AC I asked the massage girl straight out while she was in the street looking for biz. She looked at me like I'm some old perv when she said no. Somehow from here on this board I thought I was doing it right. Will have to try again.A massage girl that says she doesn't fuck is playing the game for the punter that wants to feel they got something that isn't otherwise available. That the particular punter is the one with the charisma to make it so she can't resist.
The Hi-so freelancers play the pickup game that they can't resist your charm and dancing prowess.
The massage girls are just another business model that suits certain punters or punters at a certain time. Other models include but not limited to.
Dancers.
Waitresses.
Hi-So freelancers.
SM shop assistants.
Margarita's pool players.
Massage shops.
Massage freelancers.
More...............
All of these will result in your cock being inside some sweet warm pinay pussy. It's what you feel you want.
BD.
BrainDrain
07-25-17, 00:21
What are do you guys consider for sourcing the street massage girls. I see them in the following areas:
Outside Anglewitch.
On the Walking Street opposite Phillies.
On A Santos in the area opposite Tequila Reef towards Walking St.
BD.
Mr Enternational
07-25-17, 00:33
A massage girl that says she doesn't fuck is playing the game for the punter that wants to feel they got something that isn't otherwise available. That the particular punter is the one with the charisma to make it so she can't resist.
The massage girls are just another business model that suits certain punters or punters at a certain time. Other models include but not limited to.
Misinformation. My exgirlfriend works at a massage shop and is licensed. It took 4 years before she would even go out with me. Not everyone is a hooker as hard as that may be to believe.
BrainDrain
07-25-17, 00:56
Misinformation. My exgirlfriend works at a massage shop and is licensed. It took 4 years before she would even go out with me. Not everyone is a hooker as hard as that may be to believe.Fair point. By way of clarification would it be that some pinay play for a much longer goal than many?
Mr Enternational
07-25-17, 00:59
Fair point. By way of clarification would it be that some pinay play for a much longer goal than many?Maybe so, but that has never been an issue for me. I pay hookers. I do not give girlfriends any type of financial assistance.
Nice Guy 99
07-25-17, 05:03
]Remember most filipinas foreigners have excess to are of lower class status and not even considered worthy of a good filipino mans family. YET foreigners just give into them and there demands like the little simps that they are. I am done with being nice about this problem. I have had relationships with numerous pinay BGs for more than 50 years. If you understand the cultural filter you will realize that they are people with feelings and aspirations. I have many who are still good friends many years after the commercial relationship ceased. I feel sorry for you Streetlooker.
I have had relationships with numerous pinay BGs for more than 50 years. If you understand the cultural filter you will realize that they are people with feelings and aspirations. I have many who are still good friends many years after the commercial relationship ceased. I feel sorry for you Streetlooker.99.999% BG's did not dream to become a provider fuxking foreigners nor did they go to a school of higher learning to become one. If they did have any such schooling you would have much better BJ and PSE experiences. They ended up in this to feed and provide some support for their families, something that 99% of us will never fully understand nor experience (true hunger).
Some girls do get jaded from their experiences. If you had to go pander your asshole to Jake to survive you would be jaded pretty fast.
On the whole most AC BG's are loving and caring until they stay too long and rightfully become jaded.
Plenty of blame on the BG have been posted here but what about the mongers? IMO plenty of the mongers have brought their own problems here. It is a matter of having class. Classless mongers find classless whatever wherever.
Streetlooker
07-25-17, 06:31
I have had relationships with numerous pinay BGs for more than 50 years. If you understand the cultural filter you will realize that they are people with feelings and aspirations. I have many who are still good friends many years after the commercial relationship ceased. I feel sorry for you Streetlooker.No need to feel sorry for me. I am doing just fine. Only Bad thing happening to me right now is the now 0-5 slump I am in with 1st time providers and there performance in the bed. Maybe I should use a old baseball related term slump buster and bang a old ugly one ha ha ha!! Just for information all 5 girls were 18-20 yrs old and smokin hot so at least it was not a total loss but damn the complaining about fucking to long and frigid attitudes just have to stop. Your a hooker honey sorry do your damn job.
Streetlooker
07-25-17, 06:37
99.999% BG's did not dream to become a provider fuxking foreigners nor did they go to a school of higher learning to become one. If they did have any such schooling you would have much better BJ and PSE experiences. They ended up in this to feed and provide some support for their families, something that 99% of us will never fully understand nor experience (true hunger).
Some girls do get jaded from their experiences. If you had to go pander your asshole to Jake to survive you would be jaded pretty fast.
On the whole most AC BG's are loving and caring until they stay too long and rightfully become jaded.
Plenty of blame on the BG have been posted here but what about the mongers? IMO plenty of the mongers have brought their own problems here. It is a matter of having class. Classless mongers find classless whatever wherever.BUT 99.999% of them chose to enter the bar and apply for the job that they know what the requirements of said jobs are so they need to just do it. Unless they was tricked into it and trafficked they all volunteered. I agree lots of classless mongers here however the girls don;t have to agre to terms with them at the bar level But once they agree to a deal they need to at least perform there duties without bitching about penis size. Some pushed a baby or 2 thru tht thing so they can sure take a wittle tiny penis pounding for 10- 12 minutes
Chocha Monger
07-25-17, 07:12
A massage girl that says she doesn't fuck is playing the game for the punter that wants to feel they got something that isn't otherwise available. That the particular punter is the one with the charisma to make it so she can't resist.
The Hi-so freelancers play the pickup game that they can't resist your charm and dancing prowess.
The massage girls are just another business model that suits certain punters or punters at a certain time. Other models include but not limited to.
Dancers.
Waitresses.
Hi-So freelancers.
SM shop assistants.
Margarita's pool players.
Massage shops.
Massage freelancers.
More...............
All of these will result in your cock being inside some sweet warm pinay pussy. It's what you feel you want.
BD.You are probably correct that in most cases the girls found in the places and occupations mentioned are running some sort game on mongers to extract larger returns than possible with the straight P4 P bar girl business model. To some mongers, girls found in other places are more desirable for long-term relationships.
However, some girls are really just doing massage and are not into fucking clients for additional pesos for one reason or the other. I have a petite extremely pretty young mestiza masseuse from San Fernando. She has perfect smooth white porcelain skin, large firm round tits that remain standing like alabaster globes with rosebud pink nips even when she lies on her back. Her papa is an old Kano who knocked up her Pinay mama and then ran off back to the safety of his home in the Pacific Northwest.
She gives a great massage and is very good at oiling up my back and shoulders then working out the knots with her feet as she walks on me. One day, she had a tension headache and was stressed out. So, I had her get buck naked and gave her a full body massage including her firm young creamy tits and pubic mound. LOL! When I flipped her over to work on that delicate swanlike neck and young round tight ass, I saw them. Centered above the two hemispheres of her perfect porcelain ass was a tramp stamped name. Higher up at the base of her neck was an all-seeing eye radiating sunbeams atop a pyramid inscribed with the word "Illuminati!
I was not sure what to make of it, so I asked her what it was about. She told me that she was a rug muncher and her tomboy had her branded with her name and symbol of the Illuminati. Then she opened up her smartphone and showed me photos of her tomboy lover. The tomboy was very fat and mean looking with a mannish haircut! LOL! Anyway, my massage girl was 100% lesbian. We would do mutual massages but no fucking. I was not interested in trying a lesbian, and I understood her loyalty to the lesbian who sent her to school when dear papa vanished like Shadow Billionaire.
So, not all the massage girls are pretending to be not down for a hard fuck for an additional price. It is also unwise to press the issue. There are cases where guys did not let it go and got more than they bargained for. Some time ago, a monger in the Visayas decided to stick his finger in a massage girl's pussy popping her cherry. She reported him to the cops and refused all monetary compensation to settle the case. Needless to say, he went to the complimentary accommodations for cheeky sex tourists to await trial. http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/regions/07/27/10/foreign-national-nabbed-alleged-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)-iloilo.
- Arcadia Go-Go is Korean owned with a Korean manager. In the heart of Fields Avenue. Opens at 12 PM. One of the earliest. Closes at 5 or 6 AM. One of the latest.
- Talent wasn't that bad. I still would give Atlantis a better overall score for looks.
- The girls during the day shifts are mostly moms. They wear dresses, where you can't see their stretch marks. The girls during the evening / night wearing bikinis.
- There's no double lady drinks. All lady drinks cost 300 pesos. I kind of prefer this, over the single / double lady drink option.
- Bar fine is 2500 pesos, but there is a mandatory lady drink requirement at 300 pesos, for a total of 2800 pesos. 200 pesos cheaper than the Doll House Group bars.
Met fungirl on DIA. After a few chats, it was clear she's a business girl working freelance online. So, we exchange a few times before my trip. I tell her what I like, she says she has friends she can bring over. I'm thinking 28 yo MILF types. Oh no, everything that came over is 18-22 and most are very sweet.
First day, a bit unsure how it's all going to work out. The boss brings her sister, they look like twins. She asked to buy them some McDos, which I sponsor to get the ice broken. She marshals 2 into the shower then she gets things warmed up and going while the second crew is in the shower.
It all lasts a couple of hours and all hop into the shower and off they go. I have to credit her tastes. She asks what I like, which is thin and not professional.
Today's group in lauded a set of twins. Minion sized, perhaps 4'8" and 75 lbs. Each took their turn, a couple needed repeat attention.
Besides Jen, the boss, the other constant is Jelly, who is 18 and has a sweet figure.
Not for the cheaper Charlie's out there, but cheaper than bar fines and they all leave nicely in the end.
Another DIA freelancer. She came over as promised. It was unclear until right at the last this was going to be P4P. Great little body, just to my tastes. She didn't want her face shown, which is a bit of a disappointment compared to the rest which is great.
She needed to go after the session but offered to come back to spend the night with me. I declined as I'm not a smoker and her breath suggested she'd already had her pack today.
Streetlooker
07-25-17, 12:25
- Arcadia Go-Go is Korean owned with a Korean manager. In the heart of Fields Avenue. Opens at 12 PM. One of the earliest. Closes at 5 or 6 AM. One of the latest.
- Talent wasn't that bad. I still would give Atlantis a better overall score for looks.
- The girls during the day shifts are mostly moms. They wear dresses, where you can't see their stretch marks. The girls during the evening / night wearing bikinis.
- There's no double lady drinks. All lady drinks cost 300 pesos. I kind of prefer this, over the single / double lady drink option.
- Bar fine is 2500 pesos, but there is a mandatory lady drink requirement at 300 pesos, for a total of 2800 pesos. 200 pesos cheaper than the Doll House Group bars.You seriously prefer there be no single drink option? HUmmm. WHY would you want to buy a 150 p drink over a 300 p drink when they are basically the same damn thing, a chance to talk to the girl to see if you like her enough to BF her or not. Two 150 P drinks gives you more talk time then one 300 p drink does for the same price.
I have always bought bread at the French Baker located in SM City Clark mall. It is located directly opposite of Pizza Hut at the main entrance.
Today I thought I would try lunch there. I have nevered noticed the restaurant part of the place and especially the sit down dining room as it is hard to see with people always lined up for the BDO ATM, blocking the view.
First of all, in all the years of coming to Philippines and eating out at least twice a day, this was the first time for me. As the waitress L was taking my order of Chicken Parmagian with fettuccini along with garlic bread and I was substituting spaghetti for fettuccini and dinner rolls for the garlic bread, she begins to walk off and I ask if she has gotten the substitutions down. She nods yes and hasn't written the order down nor has she repeated the order back to me. Lo and behold my order comes just as ordered! Holy batman! How many times have the servers written the order down, told me the changes were not allowed and repeated the order. I personally thank her and tipped her 50 pesos.
The Chicken Parm was P240, the Chicken was actually a deep fried breast (not a true Chicken Parm) and the spaghetti was very good.
For those of you who can't find good food in AC, try French Baker, they have quite a few items in the menu at decent prices.
You seriously prefer there be no single drink option? HUmmm. WHY would you want to buy a 150 p drink over a 300 p drink when they are basically the same damn thing, a chance to talk to the girl to see if you like her enough to BF her or not. Two 150 P drinks gives you more talk time then one 300 p drink does for the same price."Seriously"...Not really. I wrote, "kind of".
Since most of the girls will ask for a beer, which is a double lady drink, instead of a coke which is a single drink, I don't like to say no, and tell the waitress, "only single lady drink".
I feel like a cheap charlie, but I do admit that I don't get that feedback from the girls when I tell the waitress to get a single drink for the go-go girl.
The go-go girls are nice and generally obedient. That's why I like Angeles.
BUT 99.999% of them chose to enter the bar and apply for the job that they know what the requirements of said jobs are so they need to just do it. Unless they was tricked into it and trafficked they all volunteered. I agree lots of classless mongers here however the girls don;t have to agre to terms with them at the bar level But once they agree to a deal they need to at least perform there duties without bitching about penis size. Some pushed a baby or 2 thru tht thing so they can sure take a wittle tiny penis pounding for 10- 12 minutesBitching about dick size, I don't understand if you are bragging or complaining about your dick size! LOL. It's an old joke.
The old monger tales of girls having a big V after pushing out one or a few isn't true in my experience, at least not in Phil. I have had some of the tightest V from ones having 3 kids. I have had 2 sisters, one has never gave birth and was very tight, while the older sister had one child was even tighter than young sis.
Choice is a relative term. I doubt if anyone truly understands the choice deliema until they actually walk in their shoes.
Not a stunner, but a nice gal out of PTail. She told me her cousin got her the job and she didn't realize what was expected after the bfine. She had no reason to embellish the story, so I believe her.
Fortunately, I met her after she'd been around the block a few times. She'd also learned a bit about birth control. When I asked her if we needed a condom, she replied, "no, but cum on my face."
BUT 99.999% of them chose to enter the bar and apply for the job that they know what the requirements of said jobs are so they need to just do it. Unless they was tricked into it and trafficked they all volunteered. I agree lots of classless mongers here however the girls don;t have to agre to terms with them at the bar level But once they agree to a deal they need to at least perform there duties without bitching about penis size. Some pushed a baby or 2 thru tht thing so they can sure take a wittle tiny penis pounding for 10- 12 minutes
99.999% BG's did not dream to become a provider fuxking foreigners nor did they go to a school of higher learning to become one. If they did have any such schooling you would have much better BJ and PSE experiences.Is there a hooker school in the Philippines?
I ask in all seriousness as Indonesia has a town in Java that offers formal classes. Girls are eager to enter as it guarantees a job at higher paying establishments upon completion. Madurese mothers also provide training to daughters on techniques to please prospective husbands, resulting in the wonderful vaginal massage "puki Madura" - something every man should experience at least once.
I've only ever heard of on the job training aided by copious porn in the PI and wonder if anything more is utilised by the girls?
Some gals think their sweet pot could get bigger after those big X Man sized weiners. There was a big ugly manly looking mamasan in Cebu who would tell her girls, "your pussy stretches, it doesn't matter."
787, sorry to complicate the issue, but couldn't we say that the gal with a few kids has learned how to use those vag muscles to maximum effect? And then the younger starfish just lays there.
I think all of us need to do more research. X.
Bitching about dick size, I don't understand if you are bragging or complaining about your dick size! LOL. It's an old joke.
The old monger tales of girls having a big V after pushing out one or a few isn't true in my experience, at least not in Phil. I have had some of the tightest V from ones having 3 kids. I have had 2 sisters, one has never gave birth and was very tight, while the older sister had one child was even tighter than young sis.
Choice is a relative term. I doubt if anyone truly understands the choice deliema until they actually walk in their shoes.
If so I would like to volunteer to teach there. Or at least be a subject for the trainees.
Is there a hooker school in the Philippines?
Left Angeles already a few days ago but I'm guessing it's low season as it is quiet like crazy. After I left I kept getting messages from girls too saying how there isn't any customers etc.
On one of the nights I went to Atlantis and at some point there were only 2 customers (me and 1 Asian on the top floor) so we just had lots of fun with the girls (genuine nice girls, and not so whiny and begging for drinks all the time like the Thai sometimes). I love the 'confetti shooting' which you buy for 300 and it shoots money and confetti up in the air. Anyway, really nice girls at Atlantis and I can see why it get top marks on a lot of sites which rank the bars. I will def. Be back in this town. It's a nice daily walk (2/3 times) from the ABC to walking street. Don't even think about getting a taxi / shuttle for that. For newcomers to the monger scene in Phi I would DEF. Advise Angeles over Manila as it just feels much more fun and relaxed. Never ever felt unsafe too anywhere.
Bitching about dick size, I don't understand if you are bragging or complaining about your dick size! LOL. It's an old joke.
The old monger tales of girls having a big V after pushing out one or a few isn't true in my experience, at least not in Phil. I have had some of the tightest V from ones having 3 kids. I have had 2 sisters, one has never gave birth and was very tight, while the older sister had one child was even tighter than young sis.
Choice is a relative term. I doubt if anyone truly understands the choice deliema until they actually walk in their shoes.Loose Vs are caused by the amount of sex a girl has. Those who have alot of sex with a great number of men tend to have looser Vs than those who have less sex with fewer men. That's why I've always found that the hottest women have the loosest p...ies. I constantly session plain looking women with very tight Vs.
Member #4698
07-25-17, 19:42
Loose Vs are caused by the amount of sex a girl has. Those who have alot of sex with a great number of men tend to have looser Vs than those who have less sex with fewer men. That's why I've always found that the hottest women have the loosest p...ies. I constantly session plain looking women with very tight Vs.That is a myth. It's not true, but if you are happy with "plain looking women" then be happy with them. You don't need any reason or explanation other than this is your preference. I, on the otherhand, like sexy young PI, Thai, and Indonesian spinners mostly and I very rarely have been with a girl with too large a vagina. Women, like men, come in different sizes. My experience with pretty Asian girls is they have nice size vaginas for me, even the girls with one or two kids. Childbirth, however, can effect the breasts and tummy, but not always. Case in point; I know some very attractive young mothers that show no sign of childbirth and I could not tell that they had a kid until they told me so.
What are the clubs right now with the most beautiful girls?
I like the simple, natural and cute type.
When I was there in 2016 these were my highlights:
1. Salambo.
2. Q-Bar.
3. Lollipop.
Dollhouse, Atlantis or alike were not my taste at all. Many girls but no real stunners.
Any up-dates?
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 01:45
"Seriously"...Not really. I wrote, "kind of".
Since most of the girls will ask for a beer, which is a double lady drink, instead of a coke which is a single drink, I don't like to say no, and tell the waitress, "only single lady drink".
I feel like a cheap charlie, but I do admit that I don't get that feedback from the girls when I tell the waitress to get a single drink for the go-go girl.
The go-go girls are nice and generally obedient. That's why I like Angeles.Of Course if you leave it to the girl she will take the double. Its your money if you want her to spend it for you she will. However If she ha a problem with or gives you a disappointment look of any kind by just getting a single then you have information on her right then and there that tells you maybe she's not a girl you want to spend YOUR TIME WITH or YOUR MONEY ON. IF I like the girl I get her another single and keep talking to her, IF NOT I will leave the bar and go to another bar and girl. MOST girls should be happy just getting pulled off the stage at all with how slow and boring most the bars have been lately. Remember a smoking ban has been put in place here for bars and that will pretty much gong to KILL business for a while till the bars figure out how to get the smokers back.
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 01:54
Left Angeles already a few days ago but I'm guessing it's low season as it is quiet like crazy. After I left I kept getting messages from girls too saying how there isn't any customers etc.
On one of the nights I went to Atlantis and at some point there were only 2 customers (me and 1 Asian on the top floor) so we just had lots of fun with the girls (genuine nice girls, and not so whiny and begging for drinks all the time like the Thai sometimes). I love the 'confetti shooting' which you buy for 300 and it shoots money and confetti up in the air. Anyway, really nice girls at Atlantis and I can see why it get top marks on a lot of sites which rank the bars. I will def. Be back in this town. It's a nice daily walk (2/3 times) from the ABC to walking street. Don't even think about getting a taxi / shuttle for that. For newcomers to the monger scene in Phi I would DEF. Advise Angeles over Manila as it just feels much more fun and relaxed. Never ever felt unsafe too anywhere.July 23rd a smoking ban was issued here for bars with heavy fines for violations. The Bars don; t have long to go if they can; t get smokers in the door.
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 02:04
Loose Vs are caused by the amount of sex a girl has. Those who have alot of sex with a great number of men tend to have looser Vs than those who have less sex with fewer men. That's why I've always found that the hottest women have the loosest p...ies. I constantly session plain looking women with very tight Vs.Vagina tightness is a lot like dick size in men Its a generic feature of each individual person and no 2 are exactly the same. And here, s a question to all of you what does the amount of men have to do with vagina tightest? Its only the largest man she's had sex with that will do anything the stretch it. And also what would be the difference between a women who has sex with 365 men one each day for a yr OR everyday sex 365 days a yr with only one man?
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 02:07
Loose Vs are caused by the amount of sex a girl has. Those who have alot of sex with a great number of men tend to have looser Vs than those who have less sex with fewer men. That's why I've always found that the hottest women have the loosest p...ies. I constantly session plain looking women with very tight Vs.I had hot women with tight and loose. I had some ave plain janes with tight and loose Its has nothing to do with the amount it has to do with body type and genetics.
Tight or loose I have enjoyed both. The other night I had what you would describe loose but it was so wet and slippery inside that it felt velvety. Sloshing inside that velvet lined V was a change of pace and a coming experience.
Today's date. She came over as requested, just about on time. Another DIA girl. Only 18, from Samar. English was not so good. She said she's here for almost a year as a nanny. But the pay isn't so good so she does freelance a few times a month to make money to send home.
We chat a few times, nothing serious. Then I ask if I can meet her. She responds ST or LT, so you know she's P4P. Not quite as cute a face as on DIA with a nice body. She's another tiny girl, under 5'.
A bit of a starfish at first. When I got her on top, she moves well.
Nice Guy 99
07-26-17, 05:09
Just for information all 5 girls were 18-20 yrs old and smokin hot so at least it was not a total loss but damn the complaining about fucking to long and frigid attitudes just have to stop. Your a hooker honey sorry do your damn job.My friend, you post says everything. There are at least two ways of approaching sex with a BG. You apparently view it as a business transaction. The alternative is to view it more as an encounter between two people who have feelings and needs. I don't fault you if this is the way you roll but I think the alternate approach results in a richer experience for both parties.
July 23rd a smoking ban was issued here for bars with heavy fines for violations. The Bars don; t have long to go if they can; t get smokers in the door.Smokers will still come. They have no where else to go. Same with restaurants. Smokers are not going to stop eating. Smokers will just stand outside and smoke. All other countries have the no smoking laws and bars and restaurants have survived it.
AC bars business has been slowly dying the past few years. Possibly because the older patrons have made their transition from this planet and others have just shacked up and / or married.
On the other hand maybe the non smoking patrons will live a little longer to sustain the bars.
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 14:14
My friend, you post says everything. There are at least two ways of approaching sex with a BG. You apparently view it as a business transaction. The alternative is to view it more as an encounter between two people who have feelings and needs. I don't fault you if this is the way you roll but I think the alternate approach results in a richer experience for both parties.IF you want a encounter that involves feelings and needs and loving and caring that's fine and dandy find a girl that's not a prostitute and live happily ever after, Who don; t really deep down what that. However if your dealing with a prostitute you need to keep it business only IMO. What other service do you know where you pay the set price fulfilling your side of the contract and the service provider can just give you shit service and your supposed to just accept it. Anyway MY slump is over because I just found a girl that took really good care of me and she's laying down right next to me now. I feel SO GOOD!
Streetlooker
07-26-17, 14:22
Smokers will still come. They have no where else to go. Same with restaurants. Smokers are not going to stop eating. Smokers will just stand outside and smoke. All other countries have the no smoking laws and bars and restaurants have survived it.
AC bars business has been slowly dying the past few years. Possibly because the older patrons have made their transition from this planet and others have just shacked up and / or married.
On the other hand maybe the non smoking patrons will live a little longer to sustain the bars.I think the bars dying has more to do with the current changes in how mongering is to be done. The Koreans do things their own way and while I don't think they are spoiling the market with over spending like a lot of guys think. I do think they are changing the way the bars operate.
IF you want a encounter that involves feelings and needs and loving and caring that's fine and dandy find a girl that's not a prostitute and live happily ever after, Who don; t really deep down what that. However if your dealing with a prostitute you need to keep it business only IMO. What other service do you know where you pay the set price fulfilling your side of the contract and the service provider can just give you shit service and your supposed to just accept it. Anyway MY slump is over because I just found a girl that took really good care of me and she's laying down right next to me now. I feel SO GOOD!Actually, most of us pay a prostitute to avoid an emotional attachment. But that doesn't mean we treat the girls as a commodity. The old saying is "treat a Princess like a Prostitute, and a Prostitute like a Princess". A little respect is free and can pay good dividends.
I'm glad your trip is having an "happy ending"!
This makes sense to me, SP. Kindness begets kindness in most circumstances. Of course some girls need to be trained to do their jobs better. Most Filipinas are willing trainees and sweet as candy until the tampo kicks in or the incessant lies about anything and everything. Cheers.
Actually, most of us pay a prostitute to avoid an emotional attachment. But that doesn't mean we treat the girls as a commodity. The old saying is "treat a Princess like a Prostitute, and a Prostitute like a Princess". A little respect is free and can pay good dividends.
I'm glad your trip is having an "happy ending"!
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