Angeles City

[X Man]

There are many good hotel recommendations on the AC hotel thread. Some rooms at Scorebirds are noisy.

If you've been diving at Apo, you'll probably be disappointed at Subic Bay. There are some WWII wrecks. There are two bus services that will pick you up at your AC hotel. Cost P500. I think it takes about an hour to get to the Barreto beach area of Olongapo (on Subic Bay). FlyTheBus and Southern Cross. https://www.southerncrossshuttle.com.

Daytime? As you head west from Walking street you will come to Pony Tails. I think they open at noon. Further west (so-called Perimeter area) there are numerous bars that typically open at 2 pm or earlier. Touch of class used to open at 10 am and probably still does.

There is a pharmacy on the main strip. There are also two of the Generic style pharmacies on MacArthur Ave at the east end of Walking street.


Hello all,

I started my Philippines trip in Dumaguette and although it had lots to do during the day the nightlife was a complete miss. I need to make up for this lost time in my few days in AC. I'm planning for some marathon runs and although I not think I will need it is there anywhere to get a little blue pill. I guess counterfeiters on the street but can you get them elsewhere?

Does anyone know if shorebirds have safes in their rooms?.

[Rubio Tonto]

I need to make up for this lost time in my few days in AC. I'm planning for some marathon runs and although I not think I will need it is there anywhere to get a little blue pill. I guess counterfeiters on the street but can you get them elsewhere?Generics Pharmacy is located on MacArthur Highway across the street and to the left from the Fields Gate (lower end of Fields by McDonald's). They have generic sildenafil in 50 MG and 100 MG concentrations, and it's quite inexpensive. I usually buy the 100 MG and cut the pills in half with my scissors. I'd rather buy from Generics than from the street sellers.

If you're looking for Cialis, I usually buy mine from the Body Shop bar, across the street from Orchid Inn. A box of four tablets of 20 MG will run you around 250 pesos. I've found their Cialis to work better than the stuff sold by the street sellers.

[MisterO]

Hello all,

Thanks and if anyone is around I am running solo and happy to buy drinks if someone cares to show me around.

Cheers.

YM.I just checked into central park. I usually run solo, but if you want to hit up a few bars sometime it'd be cool to have a wingman for once.

[Engine Driver]

My fifth trip to AC and here my impressions so far:

1. Staying at the ABC Hotel this time. GE is right, this is one of the best hotels in the Philippines. I stayed at the Lewis on all of my other trips but that is a shit hole now. Literally falling to the ground with no maintenance being done since the owner was killed a few years ago. I always avoided the ABC before because I was put off by the neo gothic / neo Georgian / kitsch decor. But if you can look past that, it is a great place to stay. The new 7th floor entertainment centre with bar, cabana, gym, spa etc is magnificent. The girls love the ABC too.

2. Went to Pony Tails and Eruptions on my first night and both places were dead. A few girls (solid 6's) at Pony Tails doing the AC shuffle and a few white punters. Eruptions had a few fuglies, none of which were doable.

3. Candy Bar continues to impress. Nice line up of cute young hotties during the day. Bar fined Ginky, a vivacious 24 year old from Samar (surprise surprise). Nice performer and awesome BBBJ. BF is still only PHP 1800 and I tipped her 300 for ST which she was happy with. Candy Bar girls don't have the attitude like the Fields Bar girls and are friendly and cheerful. Candy Bar suits me as I only want ST action and don't want the girls hanging around. After the cursory hello, name, probince, married / not married, where you from etc etc etc, what could there be to discuss with a BG?

4. The big pharmacy on the corner opposite the Jeep Terminal has been taken over by a national chain and its very professional now. No drugs are being dispensed without prescription. There's still a few little pharmacies which can provide you with what you want without a prescription.

5. AC is booming. Whoever said its dying hasn't been here in a while. See the photo below. Count the tower cranes - 5 opposite the ABC. An new Honda showroom has opened opposite the ABC.

6. Lot more massage parlours than before. All provide HJ inside the shop. Tip for HJ is around PHP 500. If you ask for room service massage, then anything goes. Boom boom is always on offer if you like. The thing that annoyed me most about the massage shops were that they all employ 1 or 2 lady boys. They kept assigning me a LB and I kept saying no and the LBs were always offended. Why can't they understand that a straight male doesn't want his dick massaged by a homo? Is that too much to ask?

7. The place is crawling with LBs, which really gave me the shits. I went in to get a foot spa and a LB sits next to me and starts touching me. I said no firmly and he / she backed off.

8. I disagree with the other comments on this board that the bars in AC will disappear due to social media apps. It doesn't consider the fact that simple punters like me actually like going to the bars, ordering an SML and watching the girls. It's as ludicrous (pun intended) as saying that Elon Musk spells the end of the IC engine.

9. As an experiment, I sat in my room at the ABC and connected to WeChat. Within 10 seconds, 100 cuties were offering their services, all within 10 minutes distance from the ABC. But competition means that the price for an internet girl is PHP 1500 short time and a massage is PHP 300. Its rather boring to just sit in your room and order up girls. That's why the bar model won't die up.

10. I don't see the point of PL, DIA etc etc even if internet girl selection is your thing. WeChat is enough and you can get what you want within minutes and without wasting time on endless rubbish.

11. Food remains as dreadful as ever. More restaurants about but all serve inedible rubbish. One way to lose weight if you're a fat, white male. When God was handing out culinary expertise in Asia, the Philippines really missed out

[Engine Driver]

The sex shop about 50 m on the left hand side of the Walking Street entrance gate sells generic viagra and Cialis. These are made in India and are a much better option than buying fakes off the street vendors. They cost about PHP 1100 for 10 tablets.

By sex shop I mean the one that sells vibrators, dildos and sexy outfits.

[GoodEnough]

My fifth trip to AC and here my impressions so far:

1. Staying at the ABC Hotel this time. GE is right, this is one of the best hotels in the Philippines. I stayed at the Lewis on all of my other trips but that is a shit hole now. Literally falling to the ground with no maintenance being done since the owner was killed a few years ago. I always avoided the ABC before because I was put off by the neo gothic / neo Georgian / kitsch decor. But if you can look past that, it is a great place to stay. The new 7th floor entertainment centre with bar, cabana, gym, spa etc is magnificent. The girls love the ABC too.

11. Food remains as dreadful as ever. More restaurants about but all serve inedible rubbish. One way to lose weight if you're a fat, white male. When God was handing out culinary expertise in Asia, the Philippines really missed outI'm glad you're enjoying the place. Granted it's decor is somewhat between garish and vulgar, but the service is good, the security excellent, and the girls love the place. I've not stayed anywhere else so I cannot compare to alternatives.

I was speaking to a friend of mine today who's there now and he says that the quantity and quality of FLs at AquaClub have improved significantly. I hope to get there for a couple of days next month to check that out for myself.

GE.

[Engine Driver]

I'm glad you're enjoying the place. Granted it's decor is somewhat between garish and vulgar, but the service is good, the security excellent, and the girls love the place. I've not stayed anywhere else so I cannot compare to alternatives.

I was speaking to a friend of mine today who's there now and he says that the quantity and quality of FLs at AquaClub have improved significantly. I hope to get there for a couple of days next month to check that out for myself.

GE.I'm enjoying my stay so much that I've extended at the ABC and reduced my Manila stay. The owner of the ABC is a creative genius and the thought that's gone into Tower 4 is amazing. No detail has been left out.

Just came back from the monthly cocktail party on Level 9, the Sky Bar and got to meet some of the delightful staff. The free cocktails weren't bad either.

Thanks for the tip on FLs at Aqua. I will be sure to check out the scene and report back.

[Dante702]

Angeles City has so many more posts. Why is it so much more popular than Manila?

[D Cups]

Apparently you have never been there, Dante. AC has cheaper prices in a more compact area. Although the quality may not be as high as Metropolitan Manila.


Angeles City has so many more posts. Why is it so much more popular than Manila?

[MrMalaka]

Angeles City has so many more posts. Why is it so much more popular than Manila?Its cheaper. Its more convenient than Manila.

[Sammon]

Angeles City has so many more posts. Why is it so much more popular than Manila?Angeles city became popular because of USA bases at Clark and Subic. Young army and navy people went to bars with girls and prostitution became easy way to earn money. It continues to be popular. Lots of bars were once managed by westerners but now taken over by Koreans. Girls from provinces are recruited by mamasans. Many girls are quite pretty and young. Another feature unlike a Manila bars is barfine is all inclusive. No separate payment to the girl except tip. Unlike Manila which is a metropolis AC is small town with plenty bars, plenty of girls, plenty of mongers packed in small areas.

You should visit and find out yourself.

[Engine Driver]

1. The screen print T-shirt shop with those classic silk screens from the Vietnam War era has gone. The shop has been demolished and is now being replaced by a new, swish Korean bar and restaurant next door to ABC Hotel. That's a great piece of history gone now. I can just picture USAF airmen from Clark wandering into his shop in the 60's and 70's and ordering some kick ass t-shirts.

2. If you can escape from the red-light zone around Fields Ave for a few minutes, go for a walk along MacArthur Highway. Just turn right at the McDonalds end of Walking Street. There's a casino, gym, restaurants, massage shops etc which locals use. The service is a bit more sincere.

3. No need to do laundry in your bathroom sink. Plenty of laundry shops around the place and they charge 70 PHP for 2 kgs of clothes. I use AJ's laundry at the street behind the ABC. He also has an internet business there and you can print out your ticket and itinerary there.

4. Went to Doll House last night for a drink and look-see. What a disappointment! Without a word of a lie, I was confronted with the ugliest line up of girls in the history of Angeles. They ranged from just fat to obese, and forced to wear thong swimsuits, it was a horrific sight. I pretty much had to look away, although the waitresses were just as fat and ugly. There was one fat whale who had a hideous vertical see-section scar, and she was shuffling in the front row on stage. Seriously, there were maybe two doable girls in about 50. Where does the mamasan find these girls? They should be locked up as zoo exhibits. How any man could get a hard on with these birds naked is anybody's guess.

5. All is not well with the Doll House Group I think. Tropix has shut down and there's a For Lease sign on the front. The location of Tropix and Crystal Palace always defied logic as they are behind walking street.

6. Barfined a lovely 28-year old from Champagne last night. She was a solid 8 and hasn't had a baby. Flawless skin, no tattoos, unbleached hair, be-cup tits with large nipples, firm ass. Almost wife material! LOL. BF was 3,000. Dressed very well in a tight dress instead of the usual slutty daisy dukes and singlet. I took her up to Aqua and she was impressed. Then down to action in my room. Doesn't blow but provides very good GFE service. I sent her home at 12.00 after one pop and she was happy with that. If you are interested, her name is Jenelyn. Just bear in mind she won't suck your dick but DFK, DATY and FS is all okay. She will stay LT if you insist, but I like to sleep on my own so ST is fine with me.

7. While at Aqua, I did a reconnaissance mission at around 10.00 pm and counted about 16 FLs. Most were sitting in groups of twos or threes around the bar area. It's free entry for women, but I'm not sure if their drinks are complimentary. I suppose the protocol is to buy one of them a drink and start the negotiations. Some were dressed well and some looked awful in daisy dukes and t-shirts. There were a few cutes ones I would bang, but most were just average.

8. Most of the western males at Aqua were dressed neatly, at least wearing shoes. But then in comes a bunch of Koreans, may be pack of 10, all dressed like slobs. Singlets, flip flops and the ubiquitous fanny pack around their chests. I found it a bit disrespectful. They wouldn't dress like that in a nice club back home, so why treat the Filipinos so disrespectfully. Fuckin' Koreans.

[Mr Enternational]

2. If you can escape from the red-light zone around Fields Ave for a few minutes, go for a walk along MacArthur Highway. Just turn right at the McDonalds end of Walking Street. There's a casino, gym, restaurants, massage shops etc which locals use. The service is a bit more sincere.The massage shops there do not open until at least 2pm and they cost more than the ones around Fields.


7. While at Aqua, I did a reconnaissance mission at around 10.00 pm and counted about 16 FLs. Most were sitting in groups of twos or threes around the bar area. It's free entry for women, but I'm not sure if their drinks are complimentary. I suppose the protocol is to buy one of them a drink and start the negotiations.What is this mentality of having to buy drinks for and cater to hookers? I was in Phnom Penh last week and the system there has totally gone to shit. Now it is all about buying drinks for yourself and chicks that work in the bar and them later saying they do not barfine. They will not discuss anything until you have asked for the drinks. Then after the drinks are poured they will spring it on you that they do not go with customers.


8. Most of the western males at Aqua were dressed neatly, at least wearing shoes. But then in comes a bunch of Koreans, may be pack of 10, all dressed like slobs. Singlets, flip flops and the ubiquitous fanny pack around their chests. I found it a bit disrespectful. They wouldn't dress like that in a nice club back home, so why treat the Filipinos so disrespectfully. Fuckin' Koreans.Except it ain't a nice club back home. It is a bar with a pool. I think the Koreans were dressed properly for the venue and the Western males were overdressed.

[Engine Driver]

The massage shops there do not open until at least 2 pm and they cost more than the ones around Fields.

Except it ain't a nice club back home. It is a bar with a pool. I think the Koreans were dressed properly and the Western males were overdressed.Yes the massage shops on MacArthur are indeed 50 PHP more (that's $1), but they won't short change you on time like the old hags near Fields do, the places are neat and clean, the therapist has been properly trained, the sheets are changed between each customer, they don't have LBs wanting to fondle your dick, the air conditioner will work. I can go on.

Mr E, maybe to save $1, you may want to put up with all that, but I don't. LOL. Sometimes your sense of value for money is a little off.

Sure, it's not quite a Hi-so club compared to New York, Berlin or Singapore, but at least give the owner some credit for being a bit innovative. Geez, you're better off staying home man.

[Mr Enternational]

Yes the massage shops on MacArthur are indeed 50 PHP more (that's $1), but they won't short change you on time like the old hags near Fields do, the places are neat and clean, the therapist has been properly trained, the sheets are changed between each customer, they don't have LBs wanting to fondle your dick, the air conditioner will work. I can go on.LOL. Damn man. What kind of massage shops have you been visiting. Let me recommend to you a place where my exgirlfriend works. It is called Reign. It is on a side street off Fields. I think the pharmacy is on one corner and a grocery store on the other. The shop is across from the green hotel. They are all certified and every year go to some type of massage olympics held in Manila.


Sure, it's not quite a Hi-so club compared to New York, Berlin or Singapore, but at least give the owner some credit for being a bit innovative. Geez, you're better off staying home man.When I was at Aqua last month some guy was having a birthday party. It was a bunch of his friends and some girls they had rented and a big cake. They had a cabana and were having fun in the pool. They were not wearing 3 piece suits and Italian loafers.

[FuriousGeorge]

Well I'm heading back to the Philippines after only 6 months. It's enough with these LA vanilla chicks. I had such a great time last time in Makati and AC. You can read my very long and detailed report here.

Handsome man in the Philippines.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2079253&highlight=handsome+man#post2079253.

I got a lot of good feedback from my post, and also a fair amount of criticism for the detail I gave, but I stand by my assertion: Take the medical precautions I outline in the post, which protect us all, and go nuts.

Only one night in Makati this time. Will probably check out Kojaxx this time, and Osaka massage, which sounds right up my alley.

Then will have 10 days in AC. I really dig the fact that I can do nothing all day and then bed a new hottie every night. Every night is a different adventure waiting to happen. My problem last time was that I couldn't go to High Society without getting bothered by chicks I had hooked up with in the past. I'm guessing this still might be a problem. Bar girls and HiSo girls still message me and ask me when I'll be there next. I don't want any repeats from last time so I'll have to be firm but charming in my dismissal of past chicks when I see them. The city is so small and I stand out. I very much enjoy the social aspect of the city beyond just the sex. And I don't want to be seen as a douchebag.

I might bring my shoes and play some hoops during the day. There are courts just across the street north of Phillies. Anyone done this? As articulated in my previous post I got the invite to play with some locals but was A) too hungover and B) didn't have my shoes.

I really want some daytime massages with slow lubed long-time handjobs. I couldn't find this last time despite my best efforts. Hotties are not a prerequesite for this. Skilled handywork is. PM me if you know a place that offers this.

Will give a detailed report upon my return. Very much looking forward to it.

[Engine Driver]

When I was at Aqua last month some guy was having a birthday party. It was a bunch of his friends and some girls they had rented and a big cake. They had a cabana and were having fun in the pool. They were not wearing 3 piece suits and Italian loafers. Man that's funny. Just saw a big foreign guy with four local country bumpkins in tow at Aqua all of whom were wearing white bath robes. They all seemed really excited. Hope he has enough energy for four pops later tonight.

My comment was that after 10.00 pm when no one is swimming, a pair of shoes would be better than flip flops. Not mandating a top hat and cane with your three piece suit. LOL.

[Dg8787]

Angeles City has so many more posts. Why is it so much more popular than Manila?RTFF some more and you will soon realize that the highly educated, debonair, classy and more affluent beer belly mongers know the values of Angeles the best and can articulate it better.

Please pay attention as they know the price of everything.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

90% of bars here have gone to shit. 90% of the women are fucking fat, ugly, old, or a combination of those 3. Koreans are taking over, and they simply don't give a fuck and it is obvious. AC has 5 years left, tops, before it is 'done' similar to Makati. Enjoy it while you can. Once the old white guys all die, this place is so over.

I will only list my worthwhile bars here, IE the places where I went to spend money and returned to regularly because they had a decent concentration of good, attractive girls.

Overall the "wolfpack group" bars have retained the "feel" of AC that westerners are looking for, and focus on party atmosphere, naughty / wild girls, and a semi-no-limits environment provided everybody is drunk enough. Remember: If you want your Filipino cutie to lose her inhibitions, tequila shots are how you do it.

- Lollipop, hands down the best place to have a fucking awesome night in AC. Lots of smoking hot little Filipinos. Some of them are legit crazy. But its okay. Renalyn, Jizael, Mei, Jenny are some of the all stars here. Jenny in particular is super cute, and super naughty. She will have her tongue down your throat in under 10 minutes if you dress well, smell nice, and aren't 70 years old. Get her to bring her friend over and have fun watching some deep lesbian french kissing and titty sucking. Really nice. Three some potential is huge for this bar, lots of these chicks are either extremely good actors, or legitimately love making out with their co-workers and eating pussy. I've got a pretty critical eye for fake-lesbo behavior, and even I was convinced. Like I've had to pull one of these girls off another one because she had her pinned down in the booth seat and was practically her. Good times to be had. Just do not expect them to go wild unless you do your part to encourage them. Downside. Crowded as fuck, because it is one of the few bars still doing it right.

- Salambo, has a nice selection of tiny, cute "spinner" type Filipinos. Not quite a crazy bar, and you can't get away with too much here. Listed because it does have some very attractive young women at the moment. For some reason a lot of girls show up here. If you like them young, dumb, and soon to be full of your cum. Check it out.

- Bamboo, can get really wild. Go upstairs for more 'privacy', and the girls will get freaky. Has some really attractive women. There is one girl in particular with huge tits and a banging, skinny teenage body and really wide hips. You will know her when you see her. Treat her well and she will take you to heaven. Tried to convince her to quit the bar and get a job modeling (seriously), but she's a provincial and doesn't value her good looks how she should (yet). She would rather get paid a few thousand pesos to have sex with old guys a couple times a week. *Shrug*, its her life.

- Shooterz, semi renovated. Has a few cuties, and can also get wild. Some days its dead and full of fat chicks, occasionally a few smoking hot little things show up for some reason. There is no rhyme or reason to their scheduling here. If you walk in and the stage is full of fat old women, just walk out, because its a dead night.

- After Dark, has some cuties, door girl "Anne" is a star. Put some tequila in her and she will go crazy. Nice 'semi-no-limits' environment also. Had a lot of good times here.

- Q-bar, not very many good looking girls, but if you are drunk then it can get wild and they are 'acceptable' enough to get frisky with. The only time I have had a Filipino lady ask me to fuck her in the ass, was with a chick from here. I don't like giving anal personally, but I indulged her. She came very messily from being fucked in the ass, and it was pretty awesome, one of the few times I have ever seen a woman 'squirt', even if it was just some really messy dripping from the pussy. Lady knew what she likes I guess. Room smelled like pussy for two days. Sadly, she doesn't work there anymore. Probably got proposed marriage by a foreigner. LOL.

- Shipwrecked, went through renovation recently. A few decent looking chicks. Occasional 'out of place' new girl shows up that is fresh for the plucking. Worth stopping by every time you head out for the evening just to see what arrived. Some cuties, some girls claiming to be 'cherry girls' (bullshit), while being 25+.

- Perimeter bars, worth doing a sweep to see if any fit young ladies have recently arrived. Cheap drinks. Mostly dead.

- Far perimeter day bars, in vicinity of Clarkton hotel. Korean style establishments, but has an occasional gorgeous young thing that is just as intrigued by white men as she is by Asians. Don't bother sitting down for a drink if you don't see something you like straight away. Staff will give you the stink eye, because they know that you, being a non-Korean of Japanese, will not spend 8000 pesos on buying a mile-high stack of beers for the waitresses. I always laugh my ass off whenever I stop by, because these shitty day bars could get so much more business if they dropped this very dumb attitude. If you spot something good, sit down and buy her a drink, then take her out and go somewhere else. These bars suck for privacy, and a gaggle of waitresses will crowd around you as soon as you pick a lady, because they are, desperate, and rude as hell, fully expecting you to throw piles of money into the air for them.Solid posting.

[Engine Driver]

Just concluded a trip to AC and not sure if it is worth returning any time soon. When I first came here 7 years ago, the bars were a lot more fun and exciting.

1. Now, even on Friday and Saturday nights, Walking Street is not that busy. It used to have a real carnival atmosphere before.

2. Cherry girls are now almost absent. In the past, waitresses used to point out the cherry girls and say they're worth 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever. I didn't see one cherry this time. It was such a stupid scam that I guess it was going to die out anyway.

3. Still lots of Korean investment going on. Probably Korean mafia with the sponsorship of local politicians and LE to launder money. No legitimate businessman invests in prostitution, massage parlours and bars.

4. Viagra and Cialis can help you get hard in 30 minutes but do nothing to fix declining libido and general tiredness. You can't beat the basic rules of economics. The law of diminishing marginal returns. After day 5, the last thing you want is more Pinay pussy, even if its free. I'm not sure how some of the forum members can bang 20 girls a week. Maybe they're younger or maybe they're just making it up.

5. Saw heaps and heaps of instant couples, but no one looked happy. The foreign guy was absorbed in his thoughts elsewhere and the Pinay LT barfine was immersed in her social media. Absolutely no communication going on between them. After the deed has been done, what else is there to do? That's why I never keep them LT.

6. The highlight for me was staying at the ABC Hotel. Sure it wouldn't rate a mention if you took it out of the Philippines, but the fact that it's an oasis in the middle of a complete shithole makes it unique.

7. Couldn't see any overt anti-western sentiment in any bars I went to. Sure, some of the girls didn't even look at me, but that used to happen before anyway. I would wait for the girl to make eye contact and then ask her to come down from the stage. I chatted to a wise old American guy at the front counter at Kokomos and we watched the girls going to work at 6. 00 pm. He said some bars were specifically for Koreans, like Club XS. I said that wasn't the case for me. I went to watch the very good dance show at XS, and within 5 minutes a lovely young waitresses was sitting on my lap. I think the problem becomes self-perpetuating if you let it. Just walk into any bar like you own the joint.

8. Didn't see any Koreans do crazy things this time. In the past they would get on the top floor of Club Ra or Atlantis and make it rain money. They would also let the tequila flow with about 10 hotties around them. Everything was all rather subdued this time around.

9. Hans Leopold, the German owner of Angel Bakery next to the ABC is doing great business. He's expanded his restaurant and its now full all day. The food is better than elsewhere and good value. He seems to be very hands on supervising every aspect of the operation.

[Banana Boi]

Couldn't see any overt anti-western sentiment in any bars I went to. Sure, some of the girls didn't even look at me, but that used to happen before anyway. I've never been to AC so I'm asking this out of pure curiosity. Are the girls specially waiting for Asian customers like they are at Thermae or Thaniya Road in Bangkok?

[Engine Driver]

I've never been to AC so I'm asking this out of pure curiosity. Are the girls specially waiting for Asian customers like they are at Thermae or Thaniya Road in Bangkok?I don't think the girls can afford to be so choosy anymore. There's a lot of competition for punters and social media apps are a genuine disrupter to the established order of bricks and mortar.

Some forum members have claimed to be shunned at the Korean owned establishments, but at the end of the day, money talks. If you make a bit of an effort to bathe, put on a collared shirt, shave and comb your hair, you're likely to be less repulsive.

Some people on this board have said that the girls like Koreans because their dicks are small or that they're very generous. Don't believe that crap. Most of the girls I have barfined have said they dislike Koreans because they are rude, spit on them during sex, handle them rough and expect them to stay till 12.00 noon the next day or else no tip. Not one girl mentioned dick size or generosity. Don't give the 3-3-3 rubbish any air time.

[Kazeu]

This topic comes up pretty frequently. Koreans are easy money. Its very rare that they're cheap. They travel in groups, and theres a culture of saving face when it comes to money. They're not retirees trying to live off a limited budget. They're on vacation usually. Angeles is a quick 3 or 4 hour flight for them. Theres also a culture of sitting around and drinking with your friends with pretty girls next to you. You don't need to talk to the girls, but its nice to just have one by your side serving you. I quite often hear about girls getting barfined just to go out and drink / party with koreans. No sex. How crazy is that? I don't know about small dicks. I'm not korean. But some girls like small dicks. Some girls like large dicks. But all girls like money. I think you just need to show that you have money and are willing to spend it. I. E. You're not going to be cheap. And I agree with Engine Driver here. A minimal amount of effort to shave, shower and dress decently goes a long way. There you have it. Having said that. I'm a cheap charlie asian. Why pay more that you need to? Duh.


I don't think the girls can afford to be so choosy anymore. There's a lot of competition for punters and social media apps are a genuine disrupter to the established order of bricks and mortar.

Some forum members have claimed to be shunned at the Korean owned establishments, but at the end of the day, money talks. If you make a bit of an effort to bathe, put on a collared shirt, shave and comb your hair, you're likely to be less repulsive.

Some people on this board have said that the girls like Koreans because their dicks are small or that they're very generous. Don't believe that crap. Most of the girls I have barfined have said they dislike Koreans because they are rude, spit on them during sex, handle them rough and expect them to stay till 12.00 noon the next day or else no tip. Not one girl mentioned dick size or generosity. Don't give the 3-3-3 rubbish any air time.

[Kazeu]

I agree. It was so much better 7 years ago. I blame the koreans. A small part of me wishes NK, would send some missiles over the border. JUST KIDDING about the missile. But not kidding about blaming the koreans.

Everytime a see a bar / club close and a new hotel open, I shed a tear.


Just concluded a trip to AC and not sure if it is worth returning any time soon. When I first came here 7 years ago, the bars were a lot more fun and exciting.

1. Now, even on Friday and Saturday nights, Walking Street is not that busy. It used to have a real carnival atmosphere before.

2. Cherry girls are now almost absent. In the past, waitresses used to point out the cherry girls and say they're worth 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever. I didn't see one cherry this time. It was such a stupid scam that I guess it was going to die out anyway.

3. Still lots of Korean investment going on. Probably Korean mafia with the sponsorship of local politicians and LE to launder money. No legitimate businessman invests in prostitution, massage parlours and bars.

4. Viagra and Cialis can help you get hard in 30 minutes but do nothing to fix declining libido and general tiredness. You can't beat the basic rules of economics. The law of diminishing marginal returns. After day 5, the last thing you want is more Pinay pussy, even if its free. I'm not sure how some of the forum members can bang 20 girls a week. Maybe they're younger or maybe they're just making it up.

5. Saw heaps and heaps of instant couples, but no one looked happy. The foreign guy was absorbed in his thoughts elsewhere and the Pinay LT barfine was immersed in her social media. Absolutely no communication going on between them. After the deed has been done, what else is there to do? That's why I never keep them LT.

6. The highlight for me was staying at the ABC Hotel. Sure it wouldn't rate a mention if you took it out of the Philippines, but the fact that it's an oasis in the middle of a complete shithole makes it unique.

7. Couldn't see any overt anti-western sentiment in any bars I went to. Sure, some of the girls didn't even look at me, but that used to happen before anyway. I would wait for the girl to make eye contact and then ask her to come down from the stage. I chatted to a wise old American guy at the front counter at Kokomos and we watched the girls going to work at 6. 00 pm. He said some bars were specifically for Koreans, like Club XS. I said that wasn't the case for me. I went to watch the very good dance show at XS, and within 5 minutes a lovely young waitresses was sitting on my lap. I think the problem becomes self-perpetuating if you let it. Just walk into any bar like you own the joint.

8. Didn't see any Koreans do crazy things this time. In the past they would get on the top floor of Club Ra or Atlantis and make it rain money. They would also let the tequila flow with about 10 hotties around them. Everything was all rather subdued this time around.

9. Hans Leopold, the German owner of Angel Bakery next to the ABC is doing great business. He's expanded his restaurant and its now full all day. The food is better than elsewhere and good value. He seems to be very hands on supervising every aspect of the operation.

[Mr Enternational]

But some girls like small dicks. Some girls like large dicks. But all girls like money. I think you just need to show that you have money and are willing to spend it. I. E. You're not going to be cheap.I don't think I will ever understand guys worrying about not showing they are cheap with prostitutes. No matter how much money you have or they think you have, you will still have to pay them what you agreed on. And the more money you lead them to believe you have, the more they are going to want. That is why most of the time I introduce myself to hookers I tell them my name is Mr Cheap Charlie. And for some reason I end up fucking a lot of freelancers for free like that. They are for fucking, not for impressing.

[BaboyDave]

Well I'm heading back to the Philippines after only 6 months. It's enough with these LA vanilla chicks. I had such a great time last time in Makati and AC. You can read my very long and detailed report here.

Handsome man in the Philippines.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2079253&highlight=handsome+man#post2079253.

I got a lot of good feedback from my post, and also a fair amount of criticism for the detail I gave, but I stand by my assertion: Take the medical precautions I outline in the post, which protect us all, and go nuts.

Only one night in Makati this time. Will probably check out Kojaxx this time, and Osaka massage, which sounds right up my alley.

Then will have 10 days in AC. I really dig the fact that I can do nothing all day and then bed a new hottie every night. Every night is a different adventure waiting to happen. My problem last time was that I couldn't go to High Society without getting bothered by chicks I had hooked up with in the past. I'm guessing this still might be a problem. Bar girls and HiSo girls still message me and ask me when I'll be there next. I don't want any repeats from last time so I'll have to be firm but charming in my dismissal of past chicks when I see them. The city is so small and I stand out. I very much enjoy the social aspect of the city beyond just the sex. And I don't want to be seen as a douchebag.

I might bring my shoes and play some hoops during the day. There are courts just across the street north of Phillies. Anyone done this? As articulated in my previous post I got the invite to play with some locals but was A) too hungover and B) didn't have my shoes.

I really want some daytime massages with slow lubed long-time handjobs. I couldn't find this last time despite my best efforts. Hotties are not a prerequesite for this. Skilled handywork is. PM me if you know a place that offers this.

Will give a detailed report upon my return. Very much looking forward to it.I've managed to find 2 basketball games while in AC in the past.

The first was with the ABC / FPS staff, it's easier to hook up if you're staying in one of those places, though you can ask anyone if you visit club aqua as well. They run a full court 5 x5 game 3 times a week, twice in the afternoon and one time at 7 am in a very crappy "gym" in a neighborhood called Hensonville, you'll need a ride there, it's not walking distance from fields. It's a fast game, most the guys can play decently, very open court running coast to coast a lot.

The other is where you mentioned, it's called astro park, just in the middle of the main drag towards SM mall, there you'll find more of a 33 pickup game. Level of play varies but generally the game is much less organized.

Enjoy AC,

The.

[Engine Driver]

Hey Mr E.

Thanks for the tip on Reign Massage Parlour. Top class facility, neat and clean and the girls were very professional. Absolutely no chance of any monkey business here, which suits me. Kind of like the professional places back in my home country. The owner has a wall full of diplomas and prizes she picked up at the Massage Olympics in Manila as you said.

So if you are after a genuine, totally legit massage in the red light zone, then this is it. It's always full, so you might have to wait 10-15 minutes to be seen. Its off one the side streets on Fields Avenue. Picture attached.

[Engine Driver]

I agree. It was so much better 7 years ago. I blame the koreans. A small part of me wishes NK, would send some missiles over the border. JUST KIDDING about the missile. But not kidding about blaming the koreans.

Everytime a see a bar / club close and a new hotel open, I shed a tear.If there was an escalation in tensions between NK and SK, I would imagine the South Korean economy would be impacted a bit and then that would cascade down to the Philippines.

[Mr Enternational]

Hey Mr E.

Thanks for the tip on Reign Massage Parlour. Top class facility, neat and clean and the girls were very professional. Absolutely no chance of any monkey business here,Shit you telling me. It took 4 years before my exgirlfriend would even go out with me. And she was part of the reason that I kept going to AC. That, and there used to be a flight out of there to Bangkok. But now I am like you. Not really worth going to anymore to me. I still make my own fun when I am there but it is not really anything to write home about.

[Mr Enternational]

Some forum members have claimed to be shunned at the Korean owned establishments, but at the end of the day, money talks. If you make a bit of an effort to bathe, put on a collared shirt, shave and comb your hair, you're likely to be less repulsive.I first started mongering hard in Brazil in 2001. I would always go to Help Disco wearing a suit, crocodile shoes, nice jewelry. I must have looked like a moron.

A few years later when I started coming to Pattaya my wingman was like let's go out to the club. I said okay let me go get ready. He said man you don't need to dress up for no fucking hookers. He was right. Since then it has been shorts, tank tops, and flip flops for me. No problem.

I have one buddy who is a retired lawyer and lives between Pattaya and AC. Every single day he can be found in shorts, sneakers, a plain white t-shirt, and a ball cap on backwards. We were taking the same flight from Manila to Bangkok once and he had on the exact same outfit. Once some of us were getting together to go to a nice restaurant here in Pattaya and he had to go buy a collared shirt to wear.

[Engine Driver]

I first started mongering hard in Brazil in 2001. I would always go to Help Disco wearing a suit, crocodile shoes, nice jewelry. I must have looked like a moron.

A few years later when I started coming to Pattaya my wingman was like let's go out to the club. I said okay let me go get ready. He said man you don't need to dress up for no fucking hookers. He was right. Since then it has been shorts, tank tops, and flip flops for me. No problem.

I have one buddy who is a retired lawyer and lives between Pattaya and AC. Every single day he can be found in shorts, sneakers, a plain white t-shirt, and a ball cap on backwards. We were taking the same flight from Manila to Bangkok once and he had on the exact same outfit. Once some of us were getting together to go to a nice restaurant here in Pattaya and he had to go buy a collared shirt to wear.No harm having a bath and using some deodorant though. It's called personal hygiene and in the tropics, us big fuckers sweat a lot. But I agree with you on the other points. They are hookers and they work for us.

[Turgid]

No harm having a bath and using some deodorant though. It's called personal hygiene and in the tropics, us big fuckers sweat a lot. But I agree with you on the other points. They are hookers and they work for us.I really sympathize with a girl who would feel compelled to session a bloke who hasn't bathed. Regarding a bloke wearing an expensive suit, I think that the girls would see the words 'overcharge me' written all over his face.

[Member #4566]

Some forum members have claimed to be shunned at the Korean owned establishments, but at the end of the day, money talks. If you make a bit of an effort to bathe, put on a collared shirt, shave and comb your hair, you're likely to be less repulsive.The issue has nothing to do with the brand of your after-shave but rather that Koreans do not want you fucking the women that they are fucking. The same thing exists in Korea where non-Koreans are barred from almost all bordellos. In many Korean owned establishments in the PI the girls are instructed, directly, indirectly, coerced, or otherwise persuaded to take only Korean customers. You will notice that as you walk past certain bars you will be approached by the door girls to come inside but then again there are other bars where the door girls will ignore you. It won't be long before you discern the pattern.

[Catire]

This topic comes up pretty frequently. Koreans are easy money. Its very rare that they're cheap. They travel in groups, and theres a culture of saving face when it comes to money. They're not retirees trying to live off a limited budget. They're on vacation usually. Angeles is a quick 3 or 4 hour flight for them. Theres also a culture of sitting around and drinking with your friends with pretty girls next to you. You don't need to talk to the girls, but its nice to just have one by your side serving you. I quite often hear about girls getting barfined just to go out and drink / party with koreans. No sex. How crazy is that?THIS. All very true.

In fact, there are bars in Korea where Koreans go to talk to pretty girls and buy them overpriced drinks. No sex involved. In those instances, it's usually one Korean dude. In Korean culture, to talk to a girl you usually have to be introduced and this involves other people and a communal situation. That's why Koreans (of both sexes) can sometimes come across as very "shy" and or "socially inadequate" (To Western eyes). Then, there are the "Korean nightclubs" where groups of guys go out and waiters bring over girls to sit with them at the table. (girl gets to drink, she can then stay or leave) Korean culture is interesting LOL

Re other Korean talk the point about Koreans excluding non Koreans from their sexual establishments (aka "anma"s) tends also to be true (albeit it can vary depending on location). Koreans are old school, the women don't shave down there, condoms aren't particularly popular and stuff like HIV / AIDS was of course brought to Korea by foreigners. (ergo one will not get it from a Korean, but only from a foreigner) These old school traditional views are changing with each generation but a strong undercurrent of it remains.

[Member #4566]

This topic comes up pretty frequently. Koreans are easy money. Its very rare that they're cheap. They travel in groups, and theres a culture of saving face when it comes to money. They're not retirees trying to live off a limited budget.The average Korean has no more money than you do, probably less. The idea that Koreans are wealthy is a myth that has been propagated without basis. I've known Koreans who are as tight as a bull's asshole in dungfly season. Nobody likes to lose face when it comes to money or anything else. The "losing face" card gets over played when analyzing Asians. How do you know that many Koreans are not retirees living off a limited budget?

[Mr Enternational]

The idea that Koreans are wealthy is a myth that has been propagated without basis.They probably look at rap videos and think the same thing about westerners.

[Bushes]

Hollywood has more to do with the of wealth image. Rap videos have influenced the dance scene. Though kpop is very popular in Asia. You see many of the dancers following kpop moves.


They probably look at rap videos and think the same thing about westerners.

[D Cups]

Except outside the US military bases. Open season there.


The issue has nothing to do with the brand of your after-shave but rather that Koreans do not want you fucking the women that they are fucking. The same thing exists in Korea where non-Koreans are barred from almost all bordellos. In many Korean owned establishments in the PI the girls are instructed, directly, indirectly, coerced, or otherwise persuaded to take only Korean customers. You will notice that as you walk past certain bars you will be approached by the door girls to come inside but then again there are other bars where the door girls will ignore you. It won't be long before you discern the pattern.

[Turgid]

The average Korean has no more money than you do, probably less. The idea that Koreans are wealthy is a myth that has been propagated without basis. I've known Koreans who are as tight as a bull's asshole in dungfly season. Nobody likes to lose face when it comes to money or anything else. The "losing face" card gets over played when analyzing Asians. How do you know that many Koreans are not retirees living off a limited budget?The monthly Personal Disposable Income using data from 2014 being personal disposable income per person after all taxes have been paid, for the US is $3258, for South Korea it is $2174. Now a few things must be considered, firstly the average American is much more heavily in debt than the average South Korean, secondly, South Koreans have a tradition of saving so the average South Korean has a healthier bank account than the average American and thirdly, South Koreans have to pay much less for travel to the Philippines and pay much less for food so I would conclude that the average South Korean visitor to the Philippines has much more money to spend than the average American. I think that the average Filipina knows this so its not just the less onerous sexual requirements of the South Koreans that are attracting the chicas to them.

[Catire]

=the average Korean will have less money than the average Westerner (but not your typical cheapo tourist to girl spots in the Phillipppines).

- to average Korean, P4 P prices in the PI will still seem very accessible, compared to what he has to pay in Korea.

- never underestimate the aspect of "face" in East Asian culture. Not saying it's related to paying for girls. But has many other aspects.

P.S. If said Korean is married, the wife usually controls the money, so he's bringing / sneaking money to spend in the PI on the down low.

[Engine Driver]

I think that the average Filipina knows this so its not just the less onerous sexual requirements of the South Koreans that are attracting the chicas to them.The average Filipina chica working in the bars wouldn't know how to add 1+1, let alone do any detailed economic analysis you have proposed. I have never met a such a stupid, brain dead bunch of people quite like AC bar girls.

As Pompetus pointed out, the girls in the Korean owned bars are ordered to go with Koreans.

[Chocha Monger]

The Koreans are popular with the Filipinas for a number of reasons such as the popularity of K-pop and Korean telenovelas. The girls spend a lot of time looking at these telenovelas and admiring the Korean protagonists involved in the romantic emotional drama. They develop fantasy crushes, which they post on their social media accounts. Therefore, they think it is cool to hang out with the Korean mongers. Furthermore, Koreans bear some resemblance to the idealized image of the handsome Filipino mestizo portrayed in local advertising and entertainment. However, Koreans also suffer from negative press such as the case where an AC bargirl accused 8 Korean mongers of gangbanging her. https://globalnation.inquirer.net/124776/angeles-city-woman-accuses-8-Koreans-of-gang-rape.

The idea that South Korean mongers are loaded probably comes from the common practice of Korean businessmen bundling golf trips with mongering. Koreans refer to this as "emperor golf" or "19 hole. " It consists of golfing during the day followed by nights of hard drinking and mongering. Businessmen on an emperor golf trip to AC are not likely on a budget, and may have expense accounts picking up the costs of lodging and travel. This frees up a large amount of personal cash to throw around with bargirls. This largesse creates an image that benefits less well-heeled Koreans traveling on their own funds or eking out a living as expats in the Philippines. https://www.koreaexpose.com/south-korean-men-sex-arrest-philippines/.

The South Korean businessmen investing in AC have a vision of turning it into an emperor golf or 19-hole paradise. They have taken over the tourist bar industry and are now the dominant group of owners. Korean restaurants and hotels are increasing in number. Only time will tell if they achieve success in making it a Korean monger metropolis. So far, they managed to force out the competition by paying well above market rates on commercial rents for prime bar locations.

However, some Koreans made miscalculations along the way on what they can get away with in the AC bar business. One such error was the attempt to bring in Russian bargirls, triggering an immigration raid on the bar involved and deportation of its 19 Russian bargirls. The authorities made it clear that only Filipinas can work as bargirls. Therefore, Korean plans to import foreign talent to entertain their clientele at much higher price points are currently off the table. It remains to see, how they will turn a profit on the cash sunk into the AC 19-hole sector. http://philippineslifestyle.com/russian-women-bar-girls-angeles-arrested/.

[Kazeu]

I don't know. Could be. I've actually never talked to anyone in these big groups of koreans. I don't know Korean. So I could be totally off. But it sure does seem like fucking is less of a priority than it is with westerners and more about drinking and socializing with other Koreans in the company of women. Which would you rather do? Sit around look pretty and drink? Or get pounded by some guy hoping to get 5 shots in before morning. Regardless of whose right. I'm sure of one thing. The Korean influence has had a detrimental effect on my mongering activities in angeles due to changing expectations. I want to fuck not sing songs.


The average Korean has no more money than you do, probably less. The idea that Koreans are wealthy is a myth that has been propagated without basis. I've known Koreans who are as tight as a bull's asshole in dungfly season. Nobody likes to lose face when it comes to money or anything else. The "losing face" card gets over played when analyzing Asians. How do you know that many Koreans are not retirees living off a limited budget?

[Mr Enternational]

The average Filipina chica working in the bars wouldn't know how to add 1+1, let alone do any detailed economic analysis you have proposed. I have never met a such a stupid, brain dead bunch of people quite like AC bar girls.

As Pompetus pointed out, the girls in the Korean owned bars are ordered to go with Koreans.You are exactly right. They are not known to think outside of the box. They are known to have tunnel vision and work on a task exactly how they have been instructed by the boss. If you have 80,000 screws that need tightening then a Filipina is your person. If you have some differential equations that need tending to, then you better look elsewhere.


I want to fuck not sing songs.LOL. You say you did not fly 18 hours to do karaoke?

[Engine Driver]

Now changing the topic away from Korean bashing, I can recommend this coffee shop on the main drag about 80 m up from the ABC hotel. Nice coffee and nice breakfast. Obviously the staff has been trained up by some European guy as their bread and pastries are the same standard as back home.

[Eszpresszo]

You are exactly right. They are not known to think outside of the box. They are known to have tunnel vision and work on a task exactly how they have been instructed by the boss. If you have 80,000 screws that need tightening then a Filipina is your person. If you have some differential equations that need tending to, then you better look elsewhere.Dang Mr. Enternational, you sure are everywhere. I just logged in to the Front Page and saw you just made the latest post on 5 different forums in 3 different countries on 2 different continents. How do you do it, man? Devotion? Discipline? Or just the experience that comes from making well over 7000 posts on ISG? Are you going for a record? If I didn't know better, I'd think this was your full time job, just posting here.

[FuriousGeorge]

Nice, thanks for the info. I'll definitely bring my shoes if I can fit them in my bag or maybe just buy some there and pick up some games.


I've managed to find 2 basketball games while in AC in the past.

The first was with the ABC / FPS staff, it's easier to hook up if you're staying in one of those places, though you can ask anyone if you visit club aqua as well. They run a full court 5 x5 game 3 times a week, twice in the afternoon and one time at 7 am in a very crappy "gym" in a neighborhood called Hensonville, you'll need a ride there, it's not walking distance from fields. It's a fast game, most the guys can play decently, very open court running coast to coast a lot.

The other is where you mentioned, it's called astro park, just in the middle of the main drag towards SM mall, there you'll find more of a 33 pickup game. Level of play varies but generally the game is much less organized.

Enjoy AC,

The.

[Lefeu]

Now changing the topic away from Korean bashing, I can recommend this coffee shop on the main drag about 80 m up from the ABC hotel. Nice coffee and nice breakfast. Obviously the staff has been trained up by some European guy as their bread and pastries are the same standard as back home.I have been looking everywhere for a decent coffee shop, with decent pastry. I will definitely give this place a try, next time I am there. Thanks.

[StudBucket]

Just got back from a 2 week stay in Angeles City. This was probably my 7th trip to AC, and some general observations were as follows:

1) The price of Bar Fines has gone up from only 6 months ago. I took out a nice looking girl from XS and the bar fine there and most of the other bars on Walking Street (not Perimeter) is 3500 pesos whereas before it was 2500-3000 in many of the bars. Now adding the 1 or 2 lady drinks and your drinks it costing you close to 4000 pesos or $80 us dollars for these bar girls.

2) Quality of the girls on Walking Street has declined even further and it seems that the bars are just filling bodies and hiring more average looking girls than ever. Of the bars, the ones that seemed to have the best looking girls were (in no particular order): Atlantis, Dollhouse, XS, Crystal, Shooterz, Q Bar, Ponytails, and Lollipop. Some of the other bars had 1 or 2 okay girls but these bars had a higher percentage of better looking girls.

3) Club Asia and Tropix bar have permanently closed, and rumor has it that other bars such as Ponytails may be closing. Apparently the owners of these facilities need the money to pump into the large bar being built on the bottom floor of the Central Park Tower Resort Hotel. Not sure if this is the reason and certainly lack of demand vs supply.

4) The town and walking street are very quiet on Monday (especially) and Tuesday, and it seems the town starts getting busier by Thursday until the end of the weekend.

5) The ladyboys known as Baklas are hanging out in full force at night in front of Kokomos and Phillies restaurants and can be quite aggressive but are not inciting trouble.

6) High Society is allowing smoking again which I really hate, and is charging cover charges almost every night of the week varying from 100 pesos to 250 pesos on the weekends. It still for me is the best pay for play option in Angeles and there is usually something for everyone. Also, many of the bar girls end up here at the end of the night. Things generally start picking up around 1 am except on the weekend nights where it gets busy by 11:30-12 am. Prices are 1500-2 k for short and 2-3 k for long time but YMMV depending on negotiation skills.

7) I also found Reign Spa on Trip Advisor and my friends and I did several regular massages there. Strongly recommend it for a regular professional massage. I recommend the Swedish massage which costs 400 pesos for 1 hours. The local Filipinos do go there, and they can get very busy even with at least 10-15 masseuses on staff at any give time.

8) I found the food at the newly built Envy restaurant (opened by ABC owner) across from Phillies and found the food to be mediocre. Also, prices here are more expensive than Angeles. I recommend YiSan Korean restaurant as excellent value, Kokomos, Tequila Reef, and Phillies for breakfast. For upscale, try ABC restaurant called Varias Tapas which is a pre fixed 7 course meal with all you can eat Tapa or appetizer size plates. Best meal for us in Angeles hands down at 700 pesos its a bit more but very worth it for 1 time.

9) Attitudes of the girls and service for me was still great compared to my mongering in other destinations. I did manage to find some nice gems if you are patient. Its also easy to approach most girls on the streets, ask for their number, message or text them and they will meet up with you as most are working girls (even if they try to hide it) in some facet or another. This city really grows on you if you give it a chance and work it, and I will be coming back again this year.

Happy Hunting.

-SB.

[Dg8787]

I have been looking everywhere for a decent coffee shop, with decent pastry. I will definitely give this place a try, next time I am there. Thanks.I have found the French Baker in SM City Clark mall to have good pastries and coffee.

[Dg8787]

Nice, thanks for the info. I'll definitely bring my shoes if I can fit them in my bag or maybe just buy some there and pick up some games.Bring a basketball or 2 with you. You can deflate them and put them in your bag. I usually leave a ball there. Great for goodwill. Most of their balls are bald and have a few tire patches on them.

Shoes? Most local players are barefooted or in flip flops! They still beat the hell out of me. LOL.

[Engine Driver]

Last Sunday at Aqua, for the day time session, they had two beautiful, blonde Russian girls for podium dancers. Their shift was from 11.00 am - 4. 00 pm. I saw them come in the night before and they left at about 7. 00 pm on Sunday evening. Does anybody know why a local AC hotel would hire Russian dancers? Isn't that taking jobs away from Filipinas?

Does anyone think they are Manilla based dancers or FLs?

[William7011]

Last Sunday at Aqua, for the day time session, they had two beautiful, blonde Russian girls for podium dancers. Their shift was from 11.00 am - 4. 00 pm. I saw them come in the night before and they left at about 7. 00 pm on Sunday evening. Does anybody know why a local AC hotel would hire Russian dancers? Isn't that taking jobs away from Filipinas?

Does anyone think they are Manilla based dancers or FLs?Saw the two Russian girls a couple of weeks ago. Really beautiful and young. Aqua also has at least two super hot Filipinos that dance other shorts. One is kind of think and a great sexy dancer. I am guessing the Russians a freelancers or I should say of course they are. The two Filipinas did some tequila shots with me and the girls I was with and we all had a great time. All four are super hot for sure. Probably really expensive but probably worth it. Next time I am there I'll take one for the team and offer a full report.

[Engine Driver]

When I first went to AC many years ago, the massage girls would all be dressed up like nurses or professional therapists in their hospital type scrub uniforms. They would congregate outside the main entrance gate to Walking Street and try to get you before you could enter the bars. Now the bar owners became upset and didn't really like this as it affected their business. They forced them to leave the entrance gate.

Then the girls started to wear civilian clothes and hung outside Phillies handing out calling cards like they do in Vegas. Now all of the girls are outside Bunny Burger, Brown Sugar or After Dark. Make no mistake, these are not 'real' massage girls. They have as much skill in giving massages as you or I. They are all hookers.

The deal is that you agree for a 1-hour massage at 300 or 400 PHP. Most of this money initial fee goes to the pimp. Once in your room you can have sex with the girl within the 1-hour time period. The fee for this is negotiable, but all up in total (including the pimp's fee), I wouldn't pay more than PHP 2,000.

What was a little worrying this time was that most of the girls looked like they were 14-15 years of age. Girls frequently use their sisters or cousins IDs and the FL massage market is unregulated. I would urge all punters to be careful. If a girl looks like she is 15, then keep walking.

[Mr Enternational]

Does anybody know why a local AC hotel would hire Russian dancers?While us westerners see Asians as exotic, there are other groups that see white chicks as exotic.

[Engine Driver]

When I did my WeChat field study in AC, this lady popped up. Obviously not into Koreans.

[Wicked Roger]

While us westerners see Asians as exotic, there are other groups that see white chicks as exotic.I concur Mr E. Have friend in the UAE who need to see Russians as in this 'an itch they need to scratch'. And friend who only want Russians and wild never in a million years go with a pinay. I am have taken pinays to other parts of Asia so we all have different flavours.

[Tasss]

Just got back from a 2 week stay in Angeles City. This was probably my 7th trip to AC, and some general observations were as follows:This mostly reflects my findings as well. I'll do a giant report coming up.

I do want to mention the massage girls should all be 18+. I checked the ID of one of them and she was 21 as she says. Could be fake but I think more likely she's telling the truth. Filipinas are small girls so they tend to look younger than what we're used to. I saw what high school kids looks like in AC and you should be able to tell an 18 or 19 yo from the younger ones.

[Tasss]

Third trip to AC. I did a newbie report and a less detailed second report if you search my posts.

Day 1.

Came to AC via Clark this time unlike the other two previous trips. Clark flight was about $100 more expensive round trip but having to spend less time on the highway and less on taxi fare makes up for it. I read earlier about metered taxis but I didn't see any at arrivals. Metered taxi would have been 200 p to AC but the airport taxi was 500. I dragged my luggage around and everyone I met said there's only airport taxis around so I had to bite the bullet. A couple of differences I noticed at Clark versus Manila. First they ask you to fill in an arrival card which apparently everyone had to have. Second when you leave to go back home, you have to pay a 600 p terminal fee, so make sure you have some pesos left over.

At the arrivals gate you can buy a 300 p Globe SIM that's good for 2 weeks, comes with 1. 5 GB data and some call / txt credit, I don't know how much. The data is nice because hotel WiFi tends to go on and off and you can add girls to Facebook when you're out and about. Globe text messages are 1 p each and I had to reload at the end of my trip. Many small shops around will reload for you, just ask any trike driver and they'll point you to the nearest one.

USD to PHP exchange rate somehow keeps getting better every time I visit AC. Currently it's around 51.5-52. This is offset by cost inflation as I'll write about later.

February, I mistakenly thought, was going to be relatively cool but I found out that temps were in the 90's here during daytime. April and March is their hot season. Right now it's not as bad as Phnom Penh when I went, but not ideal either.

My hotel this time is at Central Park in their standard executive room. The size of the room is fairly large, no complaints except the fridge is small and pre-filled with their minibar drinks and I can't put my own in it. I had to ask them to remove all that so the girls don't run wild with grabbing random overpriced items. The hallways are large and produce echos if guests are loud. Central Park is just at the level where it gives girls a good impression that you're no cheapskate. It's not over the top like ABC but it's a big step up from my last hotel which was Devera. Went to my usual money exchange place near the Genesis Hotel. Their rate is still tied for the highest along Fields. I also exchange money there because there's the JJ supermarket right next to it.

First I checked WeChat's people nearby and one girl messaged me wanting to meet quickly. She's got very nice pics, a little too nice. I asked her whether she can verify that the pics are really her by either video chatting me or waiting at the front desk for me. She wants to come up directly to my room and she said she can't video chat. She said if I send her off it's 500 p just to reject her. My scam radar was going off and I decided it wasn't worth the risk and ignored her. Went to near Cebuana where I used to pick up massage girls and found up a cute 19 yo from Bulacan named Ayesha. We agreed to 1500. She was a little cold but I thought I'd get her to warm up a bit after coming back to the hotel. I thought maybe a little small talk, kissing, and touching would get her to relax, but she would not allow kissing at all. She wants to turn off the lights, and she even gets upset at boob licking. Unbelievable! I think she's got implants, which is pretty rare in the Fils, and maybe she doesn't want them to be damaged? Finished quickly with her as there was no enjoyment for me to keep her around. Paid and let her go. Not an ideal start to the trip.

Around midnight I went to check the FLs around Fields. I dunno, most of the girls looked sad and bored, and HiSo has the weekend entrance fee of 250 p so it wasn't worth the risk of going in and finding nothing, given my low libido after 20 hours of flying. Another girl on WeChat messaged me. Turns out she was on the roof deck of Central Park. She agreed to 1500 but I wanted to check her out first. When I went up, she was like a 5-6/10 in real life and decided to pass. Better just to use the night to get over my jet lag.

Day 2.

Need to replenish my Cialis supply. These guys on the streets always quote some ridiculous prices for a 4 pill box at first, like 1000 or 1500 p but they'll take 150. Throughout this trip I had been experimenting with different prices and I found that 150 for the yellow 4 pill boxes is about right. I offered 50 and 100 per box but no vendors will take that. At $3 per box, it's cheaper than an insurance covered prescription back in the US.

At 3 pm, I went with another ISG member (call him K for anonymity) to the perimeter, starting off at Lost in Asia (now renamed Master Poseiden) walking towards Walking Street until we find something we liked. We poked into a few bars, but a lot of them had minimal selection and / or disinterested girls. Orange bar had a couple that I liked and made eye contact with me. One I called down but found out later she didn't do BB. She told me though that most girls there only did ST, which was fine for me, but could turn off some guys. Around 5:30 or so the girls are already starting to change to normal clothes and leave. I told the waitress to call out the other girl who smiled at me. We negotiated the terms before heading off to Central Park. There was a "forced" tip of 60 p on the total bill. The bill was 2400 p for the barfine, 540 p for the drinks for K and I, and LDs, and the waitress simply told us what the tip was before taking our 3000 p without asking if we're OK with it. Again it's not much much in USD terms, but the way they did it was stupid. I remember the perimeter bars were 2 k barfines before, so there's a bit of inflation there.

Back at the hotel, I felt the girl was a bit less interested than when we're at the bar, but she had a very nice body which kept me up. She told me she had a Pinoy BF who does support her but is probably not making enough money for the kid. Verified her story via Facebook. It's kind of a turn on to fuck a girl with a BF. Though she's already had a kid, there's no scar or baby pocket, and she's got a fine jiggly ass with small be but firm boobs. This girl's DFK is like she's trying to scrape all the plaque from my mouth with her tongue, which was a really unique experience. Sex was enjoyable and she seemed to get into it as well. Good experience, but for someone like me who's pretty bad at conversing with bargirls, FLs meet my needs at half the cost.

At night things started to get awkward. On my way to dinner I met a massage girl named Jane near Kokomos who agreed to come to my place later. Added her to FB. The plan was to save her for tomorrow since I already agreed to meet a WeChat girl (call her S) tonight. "S" took her time responding to my messages (like 20 minutes per reply) and I decided to book the massage girl instead. Told "S" I made other plans. This clearly got her angry. Jane was like I'll contact you after I eat. Waited for 2 hours and no message, then I get a video call from her and asked her whether she's coming. She didn't answer that question and she seems more interested in showing her face off on camera.

Around 2:30 am, went to HiSo, ratio of guys to girls is not that good, maybe 50 50, even with the Saturday 250 p cover. Few girls made eye contact and those who did were below average. A few familiar faces, including an off duty bargirl who I barfined on my first trip to AC, and a couple of girls who I sessioned with on my second trip. Stuck around for an hour for the beats, went out, rejected a quoted for 2000 from a FL who looked too much like a TS for my comfort. The WeChat girl from earlier ("S") happened to be there, she saw me and got mad at me for skipping out on her. Oh well. She looked OK but nothing to lose sleep over. Was going to look around Walking St some more for FLs but the TSs are getting aggressive. Only way to shake them is to go back to the hotel while fending off the pickpocket children who were reaching for my wallet.

I immediately went for another run to HiSo but instead this time avoiding Walking St (and the TSs) and going behind via the Score Birds / Club Asia route. Around the corner at McDonald's there were a group of 4 youngish girls sitting around. I believe they were in HiSo before. I offered 1500 to the cutest one, she accepted and we walked back to Central. We made some small talk on the way back, nothing seemed abnormal. During our session though she did not want to do BJ, and 3 minutes into penetration she started getting upset for no apparent reason. She did not explain and just started putting on clothes. No use in talking to her, and I let her go after paying 1500. A little later though I found out she was rummaging through my suitcase and pants while I was in the shower. Wow! I learned that lesson my first trip to AC and kept all valuables locked up. She found nothing worth stealing and probably got upset. Also I think she was on her period so there was some blood on the towels and on my dick. She told me she was a virgin which was complete BS, but opened the possibility that she'd ask for a cherry fee, which I think would have been easy to prove wrong but would cause too much trouble nonetheless. Glad she got out of there.

Being still unsatisfied for the night, I went back to HiSo around I guess 4 am (re-entry is free). Guy / girl ratio was much better at this time with dudes streaming out of the place. Lots more eye contact with girls, but decided to go with a girl who I met my 2 previous trips. It took her some time to recognize me, probably because she sees so many guys She loves dick though, and she provided really solid service in the past. She did not disappoint this time either, doing everything I asked with an awesome attitude. Her cost was 1500+200 tip. Given that I've seen her freelancing since at least 2016, I wonder how many diseases she's carrying.

Day 3.

Started with WeChat around the afternoon. There was one girl who was messaging me yesterday. Her pics are fine so we negotiated for 1500, and I asked her to come by but wait at the lobby. Thankfully I did that because she was fatter than her pics and I apologized and sent her off. She didn't ask for money just to come, which was unusual. Another girl with what I suspected to be fake pics wanted 3000ST. WeChat has been a bust thus far this trip and come to think of it, last trip as well. Too many fake profiles, fake pics, and TSs. Filtering them, then waiting for them to respond and negotiate is such a waste of time.

Massage girl from yesterday (Jane) FB messaged me around this time and said she was sorry she was sick. I asked if she can meet today and she agreed. I went to her usual place where she passes out cards and there she was. I took her back, but before we even started, she started panicking and refused to take off her towel. Yesterday I went out on a limb and asked her if she'd be willing to take a video for more money and she refused, which was OK with me. But I think she's worried I'll pull out a camera during the session. I assured her I wouldn't do it and she still got cold feet. I sent her away and she didn't take any money. This one, partly my fault for suggesting the video.

At this time it's about 4:30 pm. I went around the perimeter again, but this time around the Diamond Bar / Det5 area. Yesterday's perimeter run was focused around the Lost in Asia / Girl's Generation block as there's some distance between the two blocks. OMG these bars are so sad. Again mostly disinterested, bored, or below average looking girls. Just looking at the customers will also tell you a lot as well, I feel like half of them have a girl around them, usually below average in looks, but the other half are staring into space. There were some more enthusiastic girls around the Nifty's Bar but no one do-able. Det5 had a lot of girls around and two caught my attention, however one didn't do BB and the other didn't barfine. I walked all the way to Ponytails where the 3000 barfines kind of start according to my last trip. The girl quality went up at Ponytails but barely. One girl I called over was chunkier than I liked up close. I talked to the mamasan and she's like there are fewer girls than before working and most of those who are working are barfining for 3500. Supposedly this started happening in January and it's related to having to pay off a new tax and new rounds of bribes if I understood her correctly. Clearly there are noticeably fewer people on Walking Street as well. My personal guess was the weather but I dunno, I haven't been here before in February. But one thing's for sure is that prices have gone up.

6:30 pm I decided to go back to where massage girl Jane was to see if there are fresh faces. Another girl Alexa was available but quoted 2000. I wanted to pay the usual 1500 but was ready to fork up the new prices if I couldn't find anything better. Walked around to where Ayesha was yesterday but no fresh girls there, just bitchy Ayesha. The Walking St FL scene hasn't yet started so back to where Alexa was and took her to the hotel. She's got a nice spinner body. She gave me a decent time but she wasn't terribly enthusiastic and wouldn't even do cowgirl. My previous trip I've had good luck with massage girls but not so far this time around.

ISG member K and I met up after dinner and did a round of FL spotting. FL selection from the little green bench area (across the main gate terminal) all the way to HiSo seems pretty good today. Lots of cute massage girls around at this time of the night, which was a change from just a couple of hours earlier. When we got to Walking Street, we started peeking into the bars. The scene was better than the perimeter at 4 pm but the girl quality is still so-so. Even Dollhouse had more uglies than usual working there. My idea was to find an FL later in the night, so the bars would just be for drinking and chatting, and Club RA is probably the best place to do it. Club RA at the moment has several talented dancers doing actual performances in costumes (rather than the lazy shuffle). Worth stopping by for an hour or two and getting some drinks. I think there are different classes of girls in Club RA, and some are not barfine-able as they are needed to perform on stage. Girl quality ranged from fat to stunning. A girl I barfined on a previous trip spotted me and we later chatted a bit on FB. She told me the barfine there is still 3000, same as last time, a "good deal" I guess given the other price increases.

We got to HiSo. Sunday admissions is 100 p. At 2:30 am the place was still a sausage fest but better than the same time Saturday. Less crowded as well. K found a girl he liked. A girl got my attention, I talked to her, but found she didn't do BB. Stayed around a bit more for the beats and headed back to the hotel.

A massage girl I met earlier in the day messages me and video chats me on FB. I was going to schedule her but the more I look at her pics, the more she looks like a TS. Her voice isn't quite right either. I thought massage places don't hire TS's, but always better to err on the side of caution. It's also telling when you negotiate with a "girl" and the people around start looking at you more than usual. This happened when I was taking the card from her around Cebuana.

Head back to HiSo at 4 am, since it's less crowded, it's way easier to filter for those who are willing to go home at this time. Found a girl who was in the same group as the one I propositioned earlier, offered 1500 which she took. Her body has some baby damage but that can be overlooked as the rest of her body and her face are in good shape. Anyways, her sessioned turned out well, she spent a lot of time on cowgirl, and her tight pussy was thoroughly enjoyable. I paid the 1500 and gave her a 300 tip. She seems to be the type that I'd considering LTing with in the future.

Day 4.

Started out around 4 pm again without much planning. On the way back from lunch, K and I went around the Raymond St bars and there was one OK looking girl who was available. Usually Raymond St girls are old / ugly but sometimes you can see a girl who's rather do-able for a bargain price.

A barfine from Emotions who I met on both my first and second trips knew I was in AC again kept asking me to meet. We keep in touch occasionally via FB so we have a bit of a relationship. She's also getting older, I think she's around 24 or 25 now, and Filipinos don't age well. I reluctantly agreed. I prefer fresh faces, but the thought was that maybe she'd give me better GFE than what I've been getting. After she gets to my hotel though, apparently she has to go meet her cousin for some unplanned thing. I gave her a generous 500 p trike fee, and hopefully that's the last bit of money I'll ever have to give her.

I was running low on pesos so I went to do an exchange near Genesis Hotel. Dropping by there also allows me to check the green benches area, which at that time had nothing. On my way back to the hotel, I bumped into WeChat girl "S" again around the 7-Eleven. But this time under the 7-11's bright fluorescent lighting she looked more manly than before. Her voice also sounded not quite feminine. But since she kept insisting she's a real girl and her WeChat pics did show some actual boobage, I gave it a shot and asked her to come to my hotel. She offered to show me her pussy when she gets there so that sounded kind of convincing as well. Well sure enough, when she shows me her pussy it turns out to be an artificial one. First time seeing a post-op TS. So lesson learned I guess. "S" left gracefully, for which I'm thankful for and gave her 200 for not making trouble and because well I messed up her schedule twice already. Already 700 p spent today without results.

On my way back from meeting S, I noticed around the Skytrax area there were a bunch of cute massage girls hanging around. So after "S" left, I went back to that area and one girl kind of literally stood out from the rest, meaning she's a couple inches taller than the others. She's also very pretty, probably the prettiest girl I've seen on this trip thus far. Agreed to 1500 FS. Back at the hotel I see she has a nice thin body with small tits. 21 yo with a kid but no baby damage. She just started this massage job, so she's not jaded yet, but not new to the business as a whole. She gave me an excellent session, my first real GFE from a massage girl this trip. Only complaint was she has slight BO which was distracting since we were in the sitting position facing each other during sex and she pulled my head towards her armpits.

During dinner there was an obnoxious American group in the Korean restaurant I went to. Although they're not very common, it's not the first loud and obnoxious group I've seen during this trip. I think AC can attract a certain type of more rowdy tourists, because if you think about it, if you monger in most other countries, you'd need some basic foreign language skills and some observation skills to avoid trouble, both of which filters out a lot of the riff raff. The relative safety and English used in AC means that it's a lot more open and I didn't see those people in Colombia, China, and Phnom Penh.

I'm heading to Subic with K tomorrow around noon so I wanted the second session of the day a little earlier than I've been getting. At 1:30 am FL selection was limited on the way to HiSo, which has no entrance fee today. Not surprisingly, it's another sausage fest. The music they were playing there was also awful, so not worth sticking around for too long. If I was more risk-averse I'd have just done a quick barfine from one of the remaining Walking St bars at this time or Voodoo bar which is 24 hrs, but my "thrillseeking" side got the better of me, and that lead to a long series of mistakes.

At 3:30 am I went for a second HiSo run. This time the club emptied out a little, definitely sooner than on the weekends. I got grabbed by a sexy 20-ish year old who was out with her friends. I was told they were from some neighboring city and came to Angeles for fun and I suppose a bit of cash. The girl quoted 2000, I countered with 1500 plus tip. The money wasn't the thing, I just wanted to test her threshold. Meanwhile she was grinding me, nut grabbing and licked my neck which was so so hot. She seemed to budge after a while and said she'd go with me. She asked me to wait for her while she goes to the bathroom. Waited for maybe 10 minutes and she hasn't returned. Checked the bathroom area and she wasn't there. I saw her friends leave HiSo with another guy but she was nowhere to be found. I should have asked the friends where she was but I assumed she abandoned me. This is around 4 am now, so opportunities are running out.

As I left the club, another girl just outside of HiSo grabbed me and we negotiated for 1500. I felt she was a little nervous going into my room and which lead me to put my guard up as well. She comes out of the shower but doesn't want to take off her panties. I asked why and she showed me some "blood" on her maxi pad. I think this is a trick ladyboys do to hide their gender. They go to the bathroom and put some red dye on a maxi. They show you the "blood" while tucking their dick behind. They leave their panties on so you can't do a full inspection. This is so they can get away with giving a BJ. She didn't look very TS-like though, except her voice was a bit coarse. Anyways I sent her off without paying her anything, but she wasted nearly 45 minutes of my time.

At 5 am I thought I'd make a final attempt but not expecting anything. Nothing but TSs along the way and HiSo was closed as well. I was heading back when a girl near a street food vendor got my attention. Not obviously TS and she also said she wasn't, but I was suspicious from her voice and face. Having zero other choices, I thought I'd see what happens and mentally prepped myself for her being a TS, which was what happened. I asked her to take off her panties and there was a penis tucked under thereI asked her to go away, she asked for trike money, I gave her 100 p. What a night, a few missed chances and 3 ladyboys in total. If I knew that's what'll happen I would have paid the 2000 before at HiSo, but that's what happens when you play with fire.

Found out the next day my comb went missing. Probably one of the TS's I sent off. It was a nice wooden comb, not very expensive but I liked it. Can't believe they'd steal a fucking comb.

-Check the Subic forum for days 5 and 6, to be posted later. Day 7.

K and I went back to AC in the morning. Arizona bill came out to be around 2700 p per night with a 10% discount. I'm not sure how we got the discount but we did. We go one from one dump to another, at least this dump has more to do during the day. When the taxi drove past the Raymond St bars there were a bunch of girls working there, and one that seemed kind of alright. This is around 2 or 3 pm. Going to lunch I was looking for a Cialis refill. A merchant offered 250 for a 10 pill box. I just wanted 4 for now and offered 100 but he wouldn't take it.

5:30 pm with money exchanged and lunch eaten, I walked past Raymond St and almost all the girls are gone. No big deal. Went to the usual massage girl hangout place near Cebuana and a 20 yo cutie Anne hands me a card. She wants 2000, I offer 1500, she insists and I walk away, then she's OK with 1500. She says she's been working this job for a month. Ayesha was also at Cebuana. We see each other but just a cold look between us. These girls work under some uncomfortable conditions though. They're on call 24 hrs a day and they have to pass out cards for 4-6 hrs a day in that heat. It's no surprise they want to go into an air conditioned room. Her friend or coworker follows her for some reason but I was assured she'd wait outside.

Getting into our session she says she doesn't do BJ, so I suggested that she does the same thing I asked the Subic girl to do, which was to just to suck half the shaft. But when she got to it, she was doing such a good job I was wondering whether she's just being lazy, whereas the Subic girl was clearly inexperienced. After maybe 10 min or so the girl is showing signs of pain, but not complaining, she's being a good sport. So I tried to finish with her quickly. She never gave me an attitude through this session and after Ayesha and the second massage girl Jane, the rest of the massage girls have been good to great. I gave her a 500 tip for her effort since she took a somewhat unplanned semen load. I said she can stick around the hotel and use WiFi for the rest of the hour, which she was happy about because she has no WiFi at her place of work. I was kidding around with her that I'd give her a 100 USD bill as a tip but she had no idea how much that's worth. She asks if I have a smaller bill to give her for real and I gave her a $1 as memorabilia.

For dinner I went up to the Central Park roof deck restaurant. Service is fucking slow but the food and view are good. Went out just past 12 midnight, asked a vendor about Cialis price and he won't take 100 for 4 pills, so as I said earlier, 150 is the lowest price these vendors will take for a 4 pill box. I also got approached by a few massage girls next to Kokomos. I ignored a couple of chubby ones but approached a slim girl with dyed blonde hair. Unfortunately she won't take 1500 for FS and quoted me 3000. I might have been able to negotiate for 2000, but I'll take my chances at HiSo later. A few FLs around but none that's worth taking.

Back at HiSo at 3:45 am or so. Earlier at night, entrance was 100 p (Thursday rate) but there's now no cover. I forgot to mention earlier in my previous visits, there was no cover for girls or at least I didn't notice it. Now, girls also have to pay a cover to get in on the same days it applies to men, which I think is a terrible decision. Anyways, selection there is pretty shit at this time, although the club is empty enough to observe the girls. Approached a girl, no interest. Walked out to check on FLs on the street. I see a girl who I sessioned with before and approached her. She was going to her boyfriend apparently (she shows me the keys to his room) so no go today, but she says maybe tomorrow. This goes to show don't expect loyalty from AC girls. Returned to HiSo. A girl calls me to come down and dance with her and her friends, she grinds me, we have a good time, but it's getting late and choices are limited, so I know I have to pop the question. Her name is Pam, she really isn't the type I'd ask out normally, but you make do with what you have. She didn't seem ready to go at that time and starts talking to other guys. I walk away, find another girl who's there apparently just to drink so no interest from her. I leave the club, Pam is already outside so thankfully I caught her before she fully left the place. She quotes 2000 and didn't budge. She was also with her friends so I think she didn't want to look cheap either. Again not what I really wanted to do, paying 2 k for a girl who's 6 in looks but oh well.

Taking her and her friends back to Central Park, her friends wait in the lobby. Pam is kind of a butterface, has a fantastic body though. She works at a grocery store in Olongapo, and came to Angeles for 1 month, I suppose to make some money. She also didn't want to do BJ, so that's like 3 girls in a row who don't really want to or can't do it. Again I convinced her to do maybe a minute of it. However she got her freak on the rest of the session. What she lacked in looks she made up in enthusiasm, loves dick, making eye contact and moaning as I pounded that sweet pussy. She also agreed to take a load in her **** though she wasn't open to it before we started. At some point she gave me a hickey, which I didn't notice until someone pointed it out later. I spend the rest of the trip explaining to other girls where the mark was from. In the end I'm pretty happy with tonight's outcome.

Day 8.

K and I wanted to get started early but kind of failed. We went to the perimeter at around 4 pm instead of maybe 2 or 3 as planned. Massage girls are always an option but needed something a little different today. We checked out the Girl's Generation strip starting at the F1 bar. There were maybe 4-5 doable girls in all those bars combined, a lot of them have already emptied out at this time with no customers and girls sleeping on the benches. I also saw a bar that I haven't noticed before further down the road from F1 called Pan Am bar. Unlike the other Perimeter bars, this one opens at 3 pm and ends at 3 am instead of ending by late afternoon. Is this indicative of demand for more Perimeter options due to the new condos and apartments in that area? Not sure, but I think that area needs some life.

K and I head back to F1. I call down a girl and chat with her. She's from the Manila area and just 19 yo. Kind of shy and actually up close her face isn't really my type, but she's pretty cute and doll-like from certain angles. Another girl just came back from somewhere and K calls her down. They both agree to ST barfine according to our terms. We pay 3000 each for drinks, BF and tip with the BF being 2600 of the total. As I said earlier, the Perimeter is no longer such a bargain compared to Walking St, but I think most customers won't sweat over an extra $10.

K's girl wants to eat and we go to the roofdeck restaurant at Central Park. The girls seem to love the views and take photos and selfies. There's a nice breeze up top and with the sun setting the temperatures are great. The girls tell us the owner has been withholding their barfines from them and that they were mislead to come to AC. They were initially offered modeling jobs and didn't know they'd be here being bargirls. That's the first time I've heard of something like this and if true I'd boycott that bar. The only money they make, they said, was from customer tips, and the police aren't much help because they'll just arrest the girls as it's still technically illegal to be a hooker in the Fils. This kind of crap gives mongering a bad rep since it makes us look like we knowingly support exploitation. K's girl also mentioned that she lost her cherry to a Korean for only 2000 p. I'm not someone who has a cherry popping fetish, but if the girls did it, they can get like 100-150 k pesos for that.

I go down with my girl and do her multiple ways. She doesn't do BJ, the 4th girl in a row, and this one doesn't even do cowgirl. But she's got a nice body and most of the time I'm not looking at her face so her butterface isn't a problem. Finished with her in doggy, what a nice round ass, I love it! Pumped a load in her puss, which she was not terribly happy about, but a tip and chocolates made her happy quickly. Meanwhile the massage girl from yesterday, Anne, wants to see me and I had to turn off the phone for the time being. I told her maybe tonight but not sure.

Around 12 I checked with Anne and she's not available any longer. I could have called earlier I guess but wasn't feeling it. I go exchange money and walk by some massage girls and collect one girl's number. Around the green benches there was another passable girl and I get her number too, but she texts me aggressively so I'm suspicious she's a TS. I go have dinner then on the way back near Cebuana I see a girl with heavy Korean-looking makeup. She was with a bunch of her friends. We agree to 1500 and go back to my hotel. I was slightly suspicious she was a TS. I asked her friends, who are definitely female, they said no. Usually TSs hang out with other TSs. The voice is borderline. Her friends insisted on coming, I told them they can wait in the lobby. The girl and I go up to my room, she seems nervous. I ask her now that we're here can I check whether you're a ladyboy, she refuses. By now I'm pretty sure she's TS but need confirmation before kicking her out. She wants her friends to come in the room, I didn't let them in, probably they're looking to steal. I told them firmly to go back down to the lobby. I shower in like 30 sec because I'm not expecting to have a session. She does whatever she does in the bathroom, comes out and wants to turn off the lights. I ask her to take off her clothes and she refuses. So I told her I know she was a TS and she needs to get out. She wants 300 for her time and I refused. She puts up a fight, I threaten to call hotel security, then she leaves. I realized before where I paid "S" 200 for her time was a mistake and just encourages ladyboys to lie about their sex.

After a nap, around 3, I'm still not feeling super horny but I wanted to take a round to spot FLs and see what's available. Going back to the green benches area, the girl I got the number from is still there. I go up to inspect her more closely and a guy there told me she was a TS. She was really upset that the guy revealed her secret LOL. Thank you random guy! An old lady there saw I was looking for poon and offered a girl to me, she was very very average and even for 1000 I was not interested. When I got to HiSo it was around 4 am and there's no longer a cover whereas it was the Friday 250 p price before. Selection is shitty. I could go earlier but the guy-girl ratio wouldn't be good. In general, HiSo has been worse each visit I make to AC. A few meh looking girls try to get my attention and I respectfully declined. I approach an attractive girl and no interest from her. Observing the dance floor one girl who was above average gets approached by 3 guys and she rejects them all. It's depressing if you're here for girls but at least the music is OK.

Day 9.

Yesterday I bought one of those 10 pill Cialis containers for 250, took one at night and it had no noticeable effect. This morning I took a pill from the yellow box and it started working immediately. I think the 10 pill containers are fake, so I'll be sticking with the 150 for 4 pill yellow boxes from now on.

There are three girls who I made tentative appointments with today. One is a bargirl who had met last time in AC. She has been asking me to see her for a long time but she only does CFS normally, which is a good idea if you're a bargirl. I told her I wouldn't see her for CFS and she agreed to BB. She's also hesitant to see me outside the bar, since I guess it's very frowned upon. Her regular barfine is 3000 as it's a Walking St bar, so that's what I offer her. I schedule her for 4 pm and then K's barfine from yesterday for 7 or 8. Then if it's not too late, the massage girl from Day 7 Anne but she's a little lower on the priority list.

Bargirl comes to my place on time. She's fun as hell to be with, speaks good English, tiny body with a little meat at the right places. She volunteers to BJ and go cowgirl, broke my streak of lazy chicks. Tires herself out on cowgirl then I go mish on her, get tired, and have her finish me on cowgirl again. Came outside of her as per our agreement. Small talk afterwards and she leaves for her regular job which starts at 6 pm. She's one of the few bargirls who actually likes her job. She likes meeting new people. So I'm like what if you can't talk to them, like with a lot of the Koreans. She says in that case it's a little English and some hand gestures, same as what I did in Medellin. The dance rotation is every 30 min, but I never see her dance, probably because she's often called up by customers. I think she gets barfined everyday but she's too shy to admit it.

I scheduled K's girl from yesterday at 8, she comes 2 hrs late which probably was going to ruin my 3 girl plan tonight. I don't recover as quickly as I did 10 years ago It's not unusual for Filipinas to be late but 2 hrs is a bit extreme. That's like Colombiana late. Just as I was about to give up and go out to see massage girls, she shows up with a friend. She's ultra shy, only worked in the bar for 2 weeks and says she quit yesterday. As I mentioned earlier, her bar owner has been withholding their barfines. During our session I tried to get her to do a "half BJ" for about 15 min but gave up. She did lick the tip like 4 times before she collapsed from shyness. The rest of the session was just me driving her pussy, but it was enjoyable because she's got bigger tits than most girls here, maybe a small see, and she's from Mindanao so she's got the darker islander look that a lot of girls here don't have. Her barfine at F1 is 2600 so I gave her 2500 to match, which is probably more than what she would have taken, but the girl went through a lot in her short career.

4 am thought I'd drop by HiSo to see what's up. Saturday 4 am is better than weekday 4 am for sure, more choices and guy / girl ratio is OK. Got lots of eye contact but no one above a 6.5 yet, about 5 minutes in a girl comes and stands next to me. Pretty face but some lines are starting to show on her face. 23 years old with a kid. I can see her tits are larger than average so I take her for 1500. As we're walking about the Korean-looking TS from yesterday talks to the girl and told her she met me yesterday. Apparently they're friends. I asked how HiSo checks for LBs because they often look very much like girls. She says they do an Adam's apple check. Maybe I should try that.

In the room we talked about an hour before getting to our session. Found out her kid was from a Korean monger who she only saw once, she mentioned age discrimination in the Philippines how she's kind of borderline "too old" for even normal jobs now. She used to work at one of the big bars on Walking St but quit because it's too hard, and now as an FL she charges between 3 k and 1500. She didn't catch any fish today so had to settle for my 1500 She says she mostly goes with Asian customers because whites don't like her (not sure why), but at the same time Koreans generally don't treat her with respect. I've heard this before but also heard the opposite where K's are nice to girls, so I dunno. It's still a tough life for these girls in any case and I hope she does better in the future. Getting to the deed, her belly does have a bit of baby damage and her boobs are a little droopy. She's very doable normally, and the fact is that she's pretty enough to be a dancer in one of the big show bars, it's just that age is starting to creep in. I hadn't recovered yet so couldn't finish with her. Gave her 2000 though because by the time she left, it was already 6 and the sun was coming up, and she ended up spending a lot of time with me. She tells me a lot of guys reject having a LTR with her because of her kid. I told her a lot of guys don't want another man's kid in their home but they may be fine with leaving the kid in the Fils with her relatives and sending money back monthly. She's OK with that idea and I think it would be better off for them both if that happened.

Day 10.

I didn't get to meet up with Anne yesterday so I schedule her for around 5. When we were going up the elevator I remarked about how short she is. I'm not a tall guy but I'm still a foot taller than she is. I asked if what happens if a big guy likes her and she says massage only in that case, no boom boom. So I guess whether you get FS from specific massage girls is YMMV. This time she gives me more enthusiastic service than last time, with BJ being voluntary instead of me asking for it like before. Just like last time though she starts feeling some abdominal pain and I finish with her as I'm about tiring out as well. Some small talk afterwards, says she's going to San Fernando to see her family on her 1 day off tomorrow. It sounds like her entire family depends on her to make money, which is so common that I saw a meme about it. Massage girls make no money from massages alone, only tips or extra money from FS. Paid her 1500 + tip like before.

Went out to exchange money near the Genesis Hotel as usual. If you go to Genesis Hotel, JJ market or that general direction from around Walking St there's a less traversed little pathway around the back of Fields if you want to avoid the bars. Start off at Midnight Rodeo bar across the street from Wild Orchard, walk west until there's blue wall, that's Constain St, make a right then immediately make a left at Queen's Hotel, then you're on Tinto St. Walk all the way to the end where the road is apparently blocked but if you look right there's a small pathway, which if you take it, takes you to the green benches area (FLs and small merchants). I love this path because it allows me to make a single pass instead of two at the door girls and massage girls on my way back from money exchange. Also it avoids having to encounter trikes, ladyboys, vendors, etc slowing you down. If you've been here for a few days, sometimes you even see doorgirls as obstacles.

Around 10 pm or so K and I started barhopping like newbies around Walking St starting at Atlantis. I had this idea that we'd barfine a stunner just to do something different. I haven't barfined much from Walking St since I found out about the FLs and daytime Perimeter options on my first trip to AC. Personally, my requirement is that the girl be especially good looking to make it worth spending 4 k pesos on (BF + drinks). We peeked into every bar, but while there are good looking girls at several bars, I didn't feel any one of them stood out above what we could get at the Perimeter. We settled for buying a couple of drinks and watching a show at Club XS and went back to our hotel afterwards. Club XS was worse than expected. Maybe some of the girls have already been taken, but my first time there 2 years ago, there were 3-4 hotties.

1:30 am we go out and head to HiSo, paid the Sunday 100 p entrance. Selection is OK, not bad not good. There was an middle aged lady pimping her girls inside HiSo, one was very sexy, seemed to have a nice body but I was quoted 2000. I countered with 1500 + tip but the pimp lady seems to be giving her tips on how to jack up the price, then she changed her quote to 3 k. I was like no way. I could have considered 2 k but her way of dealing with things was a real annoyance. She introduced another girl who says she's 19 (with a kid) but looked like she was mid-20's. I got away from the pimp lady and was approached by another girl. She looked strangely familiar and her flamboyant attitude also rung a bell. She's pretty enough and we agreed to 1500. The girl's got a friend outside who sells those plastic roses, and I was pressured to buy one for 100 p. On my way back to the hotel I keep trying to remember who the girl was. She mentioned she thinks she saw me at Pacific Breeze, which was where I stayed at my first trip to AC. Still wasn't sure who she was though until I got in front of my door and something clicked and I remembered she was the girl who stole 5000 from my suitcase on my first trip 2 years ago. I reported on that incident before on ISG but wow who'd have known I'd see her again! Small world AC is. We had a moment outside where I'm basically like wtf were you thinking that time. She said they actually found her and made her return the money the next day, but I certainly never got the money back. If what she says is true, then the cops or the Pacific Breeze guard must have kept it. Can't really trust her completely though. Now that I've learned to lock up everything we go inside the room, and she's behaving well. She's 25 with a kid so although there are no scars, she's got a bit of a belly, sort of a turn off. Her face is fine but the body made me lose interest. Did not finish with her and sent her off. Some girls are in great shape after having a kid, like the bargirl from Day 9, but this one didn't keep up.

Day 11.

Last day in AC. Wanted make something happen earlier than usual since I was leaving tomorrow morning. Went to the Honey Ko's. Det5 strip of the Perimeter at 4-ish. Some passable girls but none stood out, thought about just taking one of them after surveying that block but couldn't justify doing it. Why settle for just passable when the massage girls are coming out an hour from now? Walked all the way to the Emotions-Ponytails block, checked those, nothing enticing either. Had a very late lunch, then at 6:30 pm, toured the massage girls areas again. I was going to start from the green benches area and couple of steps in, surprise surprise, a friend from my Medellin trip in December recognizes me and says Hi. What the fuck, small world! I didn't know he also goes to AC. We catch up, and start walking to Walking St. Going past the massage girls around Skytrax, I got handed a card by a chubby girl, but I was interested in the thinner one behind her. Thinner girl was a bit shy, eyes me, hands me a card, I start negotiations with her, the usual 1500 works for her. I tell my friend I'll visit him later, and I take her to my hotel. She was only 9 days into her new job, came from Leyte. She says she's 18 but she looks older. When you get these newbies, they're always shy at first but later some will rock your world and some will stay inside their shell. I lucked out here because she was super GFE during our session and we were in an warm embrace afterwards. She might have gotten a little attached. Paid her a tip and sent her off. She kept on FB messaging me later in the day saying she missed me. But I tell her I have to leave tomorrow.

After finishing my session at around 10, I meet up with my friend at Atlantis, discuss Medellin vs AC among other topics. Choices are very solid today for some reason and it's a Monday. I see at least 5 girls that I would barfine. We stick around for a while then go to Dollhouse. Dollhouse also had a strong lineup, unlike the chubbies I saw the last couple of times. We go upstairs to play pool with a few girls he knows, then he wants to take them to ABC where he's staying. As we were walking out I see this girl with an East Asian looking face, totally different from all the Filipinas I've been seeing for the last week. She smiles at me, I decide I want to BF her. There are other attractive girls around but her face just stands out. I know Koreans would definitely love her so got to do the transaction soon. I knew the Dollhouse BF is 3500 so I need to exchange more pesos, did that, came back and luckily no one grabbed her yet. Bought her an LD as a formality, which she hardly touched. I think there's some quota bargirls have to meet so sort of have to do it for her sake. Paid the BF, tipped the waitress and off we go to ABC as my friend invited me there. KTV was a blast, then up to the ABC rooftop bar. Never been here before, but men are charged 500 to go in, which can be used as a credit towards bar / restaurant purchases. If you spend less than 500 there then the amount you didn't spend is wasted. You really need like a group of 4 or more to enjoy this place imo. At that time it seems to be like 75% Korean groups just because the K groups are usually bigger, like 7+ people. The Koreans do this because they spend more time talking to each other than the girls due to worse English skills.

After some food I take my barfine back to Central Park. I learned that she hails from Makati, she's 4 days into the job and has been getting barfined everyday. Just as I suspected I was her first non-Korean customer. I thought she might have had one parent be a non-Filipino but that's not the case. She's also trying to make money for her own education, which is pretty admirable. You could say she's in a better position than a lot of bargirls as they have to support multiple people, and this one just needs to work for herself. I hope she makes it through the 1 year she plans to work here because this job can wear girls down quickly. Session was good, but due to her newness, not as good as it could have been. No BJ but I did get her to go cowgirl, which she refused to do initially. My friend tells me the barfine covers LT, and although she asked whether she can go after our session, it would have been possible for her to stay til morning I think. But anyways, flight was in a few hours so I had go sleep.

Wrap up:

After a third trip to AC, it's still got its thrills but definitely each trip has less marginal value than before. For the bargirls scene, less BB and higher prices, so more similar to Thailand in that sense except the girls aren't getting prettier. FL options are notably worse this time around and there are just way way way too many ladyboys around, ready to lie to you about not being a LB. WeChat is plain stupid. The massage girls were what saved the trip for me this time. I would like to come back again but not any time soon. Colombia spoiled me and that should be my next destination.

[Mogwai]

For the bargirls scene, less BB and higher prices, so more similar to Thailand in that sense except the girls aren't getting prettier. FL options are notably worse this time around and there are just way way way too many ladyboys around, ready to lie to you about not being a LB. WeChat is plain stupid. The massage girls were what saved the trip for me this time. I would like to come back again but not any time soon. Colombia spoiled me and that should be my next destination.This must be the longest FR I've ever seen here LOL. In one piece anyway, most guys post them day by day.

Regarding BB with bar girls and FLs: I know it's not as standard anymore as it used to be, however I can advise you not to ask beforehand. Once in your room the majority of them will ask for a condom, but will not insist on it when you say you really don't like them. When you ask them beforehand they might say no because they are afraid (or have seen) you have been asking around. So when the other girls see her go with you, they know she said yes to BB.

With massage girls however it might be better to ask beforehand, because it's not even sure they are willing to give 'extra service' in the first place. Although it seems you have had more luck than me so far with these girls. I've tried half a dozen or so but none of them was wiling to give anything more than a handjob. But maybe times have changed and I should give it a try again.

And WeChat girls I always ask beforehand too because a chat session is obviously much more discrete. With WeChat I've had more luck than you by the way, but I admit it takes quite a lot of time (and disappointments) to find the gems.

[Mogwai]

A couple of differences I noticed at Clark versus Manila. First they ask you to fill in an arrival card which apparently everyone had to have. Second when you leave to go back home, you have to pay a 600 p terminal fee, so make sure you have some pesos left over.When you fly to Manila the terminal fee is included in the ticket price.

You always have to fill in an arrival card. Didn't they hand them out in the plane? Maybe they were out of stock, that happens sometimes.
Or did you have to fill in a second (different) card, once on the ground?

[X Man]

I suppose some Korean guys wouldn't notice the awkward English. "not allowed". A better alternative would be. "No thank you." A more formal attempt could be, "I'm not interested in."

And then there are the gals who have no qualms about being rude. "I already have a grandfather."


When I did my WeChat field study in AC, this lady popped up. Obviously not into Koreans.

[Tasss]

When you fly to Manila the terminal fee is included in the ticket price.

You always have to fill in an arrival card. Didn't they hand them out in the plane? Maybe they were out of stock, that happens sometimes.
Or did you have to fill in a second (different) card, once on the ground?Yeah that's what I was told by the guy who took my money. I thought I'd point it out for people new to CRK though because a lot of times people try to get rid of their foreign currency before leaving. I don't recall having to fill out that card at MNL but maybe I'm forgetting.


This must be the longest FR I've ever seen here LOL. In one piece anyway, most guys post them day by day.Hah yeah. Day by day reports can require a lot of page scrolling and back-referrals are a pain. Like when a report says "this girl XYZ" and you have to go back to another page to figure out who is XYZ.


Regarding BB with bar girls and FLs: I know it's not as standard anymore as it used to be, however I can advise you not to ask beforehand.I did try that before, but I've had cases my first and second trips where the girl didn't do BB or only did it after a lot of convincing while we're in the middle of sex, which kills the momentum. If it's important to a guy, it's just better to get it out of the way IMO. Putting that question in my interview works for me so I just go with it. Having said that, the girls who refused BB no matter what are usually the hotter ones, and you'll fuck them regardless.

[SaltyPete]

So, from what I gather, the green Bench Area is a place dedicated to transvestites and thus best avoided? It seems that is all you encountered there.

[ManonsanBoy]

The Koreans are popular with the Filipinas for a number of reasons such as the popularity of K-pop and Korean telenovelas. The girls spend a lot of time looking at these telenovelas and admiring the Korean protagonists involved in the romantic emotional drama. They develop fantasy crushes, which they post on their social media accounts. Therefore, they think it is cool to hang out with the Korean mongers. Furthermore, Koreans bear some resemblance to the idealized image of the handsome Filipino mestizo portrayed in local advertising and entertainment. However, Koreans also suffer from negative press such as the case where an AC bargirl accused 8 Korean mongers of gangbanging her. https://globalnation.inquirer.net/124776/angeles-city-woman-accuses-8-Koreans-of-gang-rape.
It remains to see, how they will turn a profit on the cash sunk into the AC 19-hole sector. http://philippineslifestyle.com/russian-women-bar-girls-angeles-arrested/.I was at a restaurant recently patronised mainly by Koreans and a golfing group was being attended to by Chinese GRO, speaking broken english to their patrons but mandarin to each other.

[Dg8787]

So, from what I gather, the green Bench Area is a place dedicated to transvestites and thus best avoided? It seems that is all you encountered there.I have walked thru that area a few times and have never encountered LB. Of course this was between 6 pm to 9 pm. Only small shops were there.

[Engine Driver]

Does anyone else besides me think that Filipinas in AC should stop wearing daisy dukes? I think you have to be tall to pull it off otherwise they make you look even shorter.

[Chocha Monger]

Does anyone else besides me think that Filipinas in AC should stop wearing daisy dukes? I think you have to be tall to pull it off otherwise they make you look even shorter.The Filipinas wearing daisy dukes think it makes them look sexy, as it reveals the cheeks of their flat backsides. Most Filipinas have short legs and long torsos, unlike the more graceful looking Thai girls.

AC bar girls have their own idea of fashion. You will have no luck convincing them that they look like clowns with their bleached blond hair, powdered white faces, thick black penciled eyebrows, and bright red lipstick.

[X Man]

I like them. And I like them even more when accompanied by a nice thigh gap.

I had to look up Daisy Dukes. I guess I wasn't a big Duke's of Hazzard fan. In my day we called them "hot pants" or "short shorts". Short shorts comes from the 70's "Nair short shorts" tv commercial which you can find on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve04-BcEP94.


Does anyone else besides me think that Filipinas in AC should stop wearing daisy dukes? I think you have to be tall to pull it off otherwise they make you look even shorter.

[Tasss]

So, from what I gather, the green Bench Area is a place dedicated to transvestites and thus best avoided? It seems that is all you encountered there.I had good luck there my second trip. Met a beautiful East Asian looking girl with big tits who took creampies and OK with personal videos. Amazing stuff. But this time it was a TS 3 out of 4 times. There were real girls there but not many. For whatever reason the TSs were out in force during this trip and started blending in with the normal FL population.

[Sammon]

I did not know AC was mobbed by ladyboys. Previously they will just be on the street with their friends trying to grab your hand. Now they are in disco pretending to be real girls?

Pretty common in Thailand including go go bars there specially set aside for ladyboys only. In Philippines they generally try to con you on dating sites but I have not heard them to be aggressive in AC discos. Maybe their modus operandi had changed. They try to get inside your room and demand money nowadays according this long report. AC may not be known for pretty girls but nevertheless known for true girls ugly or not.

[Engine Driver]

You will have no luck convincing them that they look like clowns with their bleached blond hair, powdered white faces, thick black penciled eyebrows, and bright red lipstick.Plus tattoos and fake LV and Burberry bags.

[Member #4566]

I did not know AC was mobbed by ladyboys. Previously they will just be on the street with their friends trying to grab your hand. Now they are in disco pretending to be real girls.On social media, one of the first things I ask is whether I am dealing with a LB. A couple of years back a LB was murdered by a US serviceman who apparently discovered belatedly that he had just gotten a BJ from this LB. So I believe that LB's kinda got the message that it is dangerous to conceal their nature. I inadvertently got a BJ from one about 20 years ago and then found out the truth several months later.

I think it is completely appropriate to ask if a person is transgender. If they are I tell them that I don't swing that way and they are completely ok with it. In some situations a LB is knowledgeable and will help you to hook up with a real vagina.

I read on this forum that you should close your eyes and just listen to the voice and that is a dead giveaway. Some guys really like LB's and it doesn't appear as if they are starving.

If they had a choice would they really choose to be that way? No. So you got to feel sorry for them because they have no choice being that way. Same goes for the gays. If you had a choice would you be gay?

[Tasss]

If they had a choice would they really choose to be that way? No. So you got to feel sorry for them because they have no choice being that way. Same goes for the gays. If you had a choice would you be gay?The only issue is them lying about not being ladyboys. If they choose to be TS that's their thing, but where they cross the line is when they try to fool you into thinking they're 100% female.


I did not know AC was mobbed by ladyboys. Previously they will just be on the street with their friends trying to grab your hand. Now they are in disco pretending to be real girls?No they weren't in the disco (HiSo). Only outside and on the various streets around Walking St.

[StudBucket]

I did not know AC was mobbed by ladyboys. Previously they will just be on the street with their friends trying to grab your hand. Now they are in disco pretending to be real girls?

Pretty common in Thailand including go go bars there specially set aside for ladyboys only. In Philippines they generally try to con you on dating sites but I have not heard them to be aggressive in AC discos. Maybe their modus operandi had changed. They try to get inside your room and demand money nowadays according this long report. AC may not be known for pretty girls but nevertheless known for true girls ugly or not.Yes fellow members, Walking Street / Fields Ave. Is getting mobbed by ladyboys especially after night. This is no joke. And the ladyboys do not all have the telltale signs always such as height, large shoulders, bigger forehead, adams apple, deep voice, etc. On the last trip there were 2 smaller thin young Filipino baklas that confessed up to my buddy that they were indeed ladyboys and it was very hard to tell. The sureproof signs are the voice for sure if you really tune in, also the ladyboys will have square shaped elbows vs. Pointy elbows, and generally sway their hips. They tend to travel in pairs or 2 or more also for the most part. In general, trust your instincts also. If something just seems to good to be true or seems odd, move on. Be very suspect of who you meet in the street especially around the Kokomos area on Fields and near Phillies. They are also very aggressive but just keep walking fast past them.

[Bushes]

One cannot be 100% sure even if checking under the hood because some LB are post op. The advantage of some of the bars is that they are not allowed in and are not hired by the regular bars with take out options. If you are in ac long enough, as in live there, and watch the crowds, you will see familiar faces or the WGs can point out the fakes. I for one cannot be pick them out.

I have heard stories and seen some of them getting picked up. Even the obvious ones. I stick with the bars.

[WestCoast1]

If they had a choice would they really choose to be that way? No. So you got to feel sorry for them because they have no choice being that way. Same goes for the gays. If you had a choice would you be gay?That's just the point: Your sexuality isn't up to you. If I had a choice (now), I'd choose to be just the way I am (as that's all I've ever known). Your question leads to the assumption the being gay is somehow 'lesser'. The logical choice might be to be bisexual (best of both worlds), which might make being straight or gay 'lesser'. Other views are welcome.

[VicVeg]

Was there for over a week. All is the same except the quality of bar girls is down. There use to be hotties in the big bars (atlantis and doll house etc). I think the hotties have all gone to the korean bars. Out on walking street many koreans walk by with hotties on their arm. They are obviously meeting them at the bars.

Barfines are up to 3. 5 at the big bars. This with quality down. No wonder many of the clubs were empty.

With the koreans taking over the town, if war breaks out in Korea, and tourism crashes, the AC economy is going to crash. And there is big money building many new mega-clubs and hotels. I can foresee bad times for AC coming.

High Society is a very late venue. Due to jet lag I would get up at 2, 3, or 4 AM and go out and Hi So would still be busy. Lots of straglers at those times looking for guys. Many LBs also. Many of the girls are cutthroat looking to get money out of you so be careful.

Hit the Wild Orchid pool party. There is much more guy on girl contact in the pools than at the Scorebirds party. The wild orchid and old ABC parties were the best. Scorebirds is more of a beauty contest, with few guys in the pool getting jiggy with the bar girls.

[Chocha Monger]

That's just the point: Your sexuality isn't up to you. If I had a choice (now), I'd choose to be just the way I am (as that's all I've ever known). Your question leads to the assumption the being gay is somehow 'lesser'. The logical choice might be to be bisexual (best of both worlds), which might make being straight or gay 'lesser'. Other views are welcome.I would say that asexuality, as practiced by the grass-eater men of Japan is the most superior sexual orientation in this age and the near future.

Seeking or expressing interest in sex has a high price, considering all of the men (hetero, homo and bi) who ruin their careers, lives, and reputations because of it. A man without carnal urges would have an enormous amount of time and resources to dedicate to pursuits with more profitable and enduring rewards.

Sex is risky and its joys fleeting at great cost. This is true for the males of other species such as birds that grow elaborate plumages to attract females. They may succeed in attracting females but at the cost of making themselves easy targets for predators.

Of course, exceptions exist such as in the case of Filipino men with OFW girlfriends who allow them to live in their house or condominium, and send them a monthly remittance. Many of these fellas monger with full knowledge of the OFW girlfriends, as they accept that Filipino men need to release. Foreign men do not get the same deal. Filipinas expect foreign men to remain faithful and provide financial support, or at least be self-supporting in her absence. This is what the Monger-in-Chief would call a very bad deal.

[Turgid]

....If they had a choice would they really choose to be that way? No. So you got to feel sorry for them because they have no choice being that way. Same goes for the gays. If you had a choice would you be gay?I'm not sure they don't have a choice. There's no market for women / female tourists paying local men for sex in the Philippines. Therefore, a young good looking heterosexual Filipino may choose to earn money from sexual relations with male tourists.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm not sure they don't have a choice. There's no market for women / female tourists paying local men for sex in the Philippines. Therefore, a young good looking heterosexual Filipino may choose to earn money from sexual relations with male tourists.It is said that many of the ladyboys here in Thailand are not gay at all. They just do it for the money.

[SaltyPete]

I'm not sure they don't have a choice. There's no market for women / female tourists paying local men for sex in the Philippines. Therefore, a young good looking heterosexual Filipino may choose to earn money from sexual relations with male tourists.I came up with that same theory in Bangkok. Why else are there so many native ladyboys in "sex tourism" countries? Whether they are driven to it through economic, sexual desire or a feeling of being mis-engendered, I feel bad for them. It is a hard way to live and usually does not end well, like a stray dog.

You beat me to it, Mr Enternational.

[Master Monger]

Dear Gents,

First time for me to have a runner but the trend of poor service and less love and passion is continuing strong in Angeles. Met this girl Ann (Rose Ann) Working in Bamboo bar when she was out fishing with some guy from the States staying at Orchid Inn on Thursday night and I got her phone number.

Friday Night about 7:45 I went to barfine her at Bamboo bar. I took her to EGI for a steak dinner and then back to my hotel. I had some stuff to do on my phone, plus we just finished eating so then She played on her phone talking to some guy on Facebook.

After a bit I lit some candles turned on some soft music and turned out the lights. At first she was very resistant to even kissing but I spoke some bullshit sweet words to warm her up but she was still pretty cold so I thought a little clit licking might do the trick and at this point it was only 10:45 so less 3 hours so far, then she just yelled stop and I thought "OK Screw it" went and washed my face and she went to the toilet.

I came out and laid on the bed and she came out and sat down on the bed and started looking at her phone and then she preceded to put on her clothes. I said what the hell are you doing! She didn't respond, so I walked back to Bamboo and told them the story. They first said there was nothing they could do for me! About 2 hours later they said they could give me a 300 peso discount on another barfine.

So that is the crap you can expect in Bamboo bar. Please help me blackball this bar so this crap is not allowed to continue. We need to support each other so this doesn't happen to anyone else. Usually Bamboo bar is good but this is unacceptable.

This is the first time I ever encountered this problem but I fear this trend increasing.

Thank you for your support!

MM.

[Chocha Monger]

It is said that many of the ladyboys here in Thailand are not gay at all. They just do it for the money.That may well be the case. I heard the same thing about some of the Filipino lady-boys. A girl with a number of lady-boys in her family said that they chose that lifestyle for economic reasons. Apparently, many Filipino men in positions of influence and power have a taste for LBs and seek them out. These men become patrons of the LBs providing financial assistance and connections to employers.

Furthermore, over the last few years in AC, an influx of European tourists with an appetite for LBs resulted in an explosion in their numbers on Fields Ave and Walking Street. Reports now indicate that they are misrepresenting themselves as girls to get into hapless mongers' rooms in the hopes of having their way with them with the lights turned off. That was something expected in Manila or Subic, not so much in AC.

Now that countries like Australia and the USA recognize same sex marriage, the LBs have their own dreams of marrying some old monger and immigrating to Paradise. Many of them believe they can convert foreign mongers after tricking them into walking on the wild side with the lights off. After all, once a heterosexual monger bangs a lady-boy, it makes him gay even if he crossed the line unknowingly. He is permanently somewhere over the rainbow.

Many years ago, a bar owner on Perimeter Rd tried to operate with both lady-boys and bar girls. It looked like a good idea to put the lady-boys on the nightshift and the bar girls on the dayshift. What he was not counting on was the lady-boys and bar girls fucking each other in the stay-in. Hence, when customers bar fined the bar girls' lady-boy boyfriends, it created jealousy between the lovers resulting in a number of lady-boys vs bar girls punch-ups. The bar owner quickly brought an end to the experiment, as the epic brawls while entertaining were bad for business.

Other proof that some LBs are only practicing the lifestyle for the money is the fact that they father kids with many of the girls in AC. Some of the girls think it is cool to have a LB boyfriend and can be seen walking holding hands with their gender-blurring darling.


I came up with that same theory in Bangkok. Why else are there so many native ladyboys in "sex tourism" countries? Whether they are driven to it through economic, sexual desire or a feeling of being mis-engendered, I feel bad for them. It is a hard way to live and usually does not end well, like a stray dog. Filipinos show much greater acceptance to lady-boys than the majority of Western countries have for their trannies. Filipinos did not have any fixed lines concerning gender in pre-colonial times. The Spaniards imposed these ideas on them along with Catholicism. In fact, there is evidence that lady-boys played important roles in native societies throughout the region before the Spaniards and other European invaders subjugated the natives. Some of records note the following:

They were male priests characterized as being effeminate, uninterested in sex, and of never having participated in warfare. Their penis size, it was rumoured, was only half a finger long. Using a special language they could summon spirits to conduct them heavenward in order to recover the soul stuff which had fled an individual causing h / er to fall ill.

In 1600, the Spaniard, Chirino noted in the 'Manila Manuscript' that indigenous men dressed as women to perform pagan ceremonies. According to him, these men acted like prudes and were so effeminate that anyone who did not know them would believe they were women. These shamans wore their long and braided like that of women, and filled with a kind of resin or turpentine.

Later another Spaniard, Alcina, wrote:

The fact is the Asog considered themselves more like women than like men in their manner of living, or going about, or even in their occupations. Some of them applied themselves to women's tasks, like weaving and cultivating, etc. In dress, although they did not wear petticoats (these were not worn by women in ancient times either) they did wear some Lambon, as they are called here. This is a kind of long skirt down to the feet, so that they were recognized even by their dress.

Of one indigenous Filipino, Alcina observed that he "was so effeminate that in every way he seemed more like a woman than a man. His dress was even over the legs with a wide Bahaque which resembled, under the Lambon, the old time petticoats. All the things that the women did, he performed, such as weaving blankets, embroidering and sewing clothes, making pots, which is the work of women. He danced also like they did, never like a man whose dance is different. In all he appeared more a woman than a man."

Therefore, Filipino lady-boys have been part of Philippine society and culture since pre-colonial times. The Spanish Jesuits tried in vain to stamp the gayness out of them for hundreds of years. Ironically, Catholicism deposed the lady-boys from their prudish roles as shamans relegating them to the shadows as providers of taboo oral and anal pleasures. These unintended consequences further compounded due to anti-condom policies that allowed AIDS to spread rapidly among LBs and their patrons.

[Engine Driver]

Why else are there so many native ladyboys in "sex tourism" countries?

Whatever the reason, I fuckin' hate it.

[Turgid]

Whatever the reason, I fuckin' hate it.A couple years ago in a walk-up in Hong Kong I entered the room of a facially good looking Thai provider. Off came her clothes except her socks. Her breasts were quite firm and I fingered her vagina which became moist. However, not for the life of me could I get an erection. Several minutes of BBBJ had absolutely no impact. Sometimes in an encounter my intuition prevents me from doing DATY which occurred on this occasion. After half an hour I was as flaccid as when I entered the room. After that encounter I went over to another room and had a normal session with a Chinese provider. After thinking about the unsuccessful session it occurred to me that the provider might very well have been someone who had sex reassignment surgery. The only things I have in support of that theory, however, were the unusually firm breasts and the refusal to remove socks which might have revealed more manly looking feet.

[Bushes]

Girls breasts can be firm naturally. I fact, they start off firm and grow and soften. Some do not soften that much. Just an observation of girls I knew. Sometimes, if the mood is not right, a guy can lose his erection or concentration. For me, stress, anxiety and such causes Johnny to lose interest. One reason I don't like inexperienced girls because they are always talking and sometimes complaining or sharing their anxiousness.

So something put you off. For me, it could be the socks. That is wierd.


A couple years ago in a walk-up in Hong Kong I entered the room of a facially good looking Thai provider. Off came her clothes except her socks. Her breasts were quite firm and I fingered her vagina which became moist. However, not for the life of me could I get an erection. Several minutes of BBBJ had absolutely no impact. Sometimes in an encounter my intuition prevents me from doing DATY which occurred on this occasion. After half an hour I was as flaccid as when I entered the room. After that encounter I went over to another room and had a normal session with a Chinese provider. After thinking about the unsuccessful session it occurred to me that the provider might very well have been someone who had sex reassignment surgery. The only things I have in support of that theory, however, were the unusually firm breasts and the refusal to remove socks which might have revealed more manly looking feet..


One cannot be 100% sure even if checking under the hood because some LB are post op.

[Mr Enternational]

One cannot be 100% sure even if checking under the hood because some LB are post op.If they can't make tits that look real, you think a fake pussy is going to fool me? (Shit. You can spot fake tits without a chick even taking off her shirt.) And that is only if the big head, big feet, square shoulders, and deep ass voice are able to slide pass me.

[Dg8787]

ED is ED. ED can happen without warning or understanding, especially as you age. Lot of times it happens at a young age from performance anxiety.

A few months ago I was in AC and finally convinced a beautiful bg who is supported by her Aussie BF and never barfines to come see me. I had been trying to barfine this lovely lass for the past 6 months but she would never go out. She just did drinks at the bar. I had one of her bg friends convince her to come see me before she went to work. There she finally was standing there naked after her shower in my room. I had taken my vitamin V hours before to insure strong and lasting performance. As we did the foreplay activities I could not maintain a real strong stiff one. This girl was petite and had a very tight V, resulting in a difficult entry. As I tried to enter slowly I found myself deflating! 30 minutes later we tried again and it wasn't happening.

I really couldn't understand why. A few days later she came back again and I had no problems getting off twice with her in 90 minutes.

Can't wait for my next trip.

[Boofa69]

Dear Gents,

First time for me to have a runner but the trend of poor service and less love and passion is continuing strong in Angeles. Met this girl Ann (Rose Ann) Working in Bamboo bar when she was out fishing with some guy from the States staying at Orchid Inn on Thursday night and I got her phone number.

Friday Night about 7:45 I went to barfine her at Bamboo bar. I took her to EGI for a steak dinner and then back to my hotel. I had some stuff to do on my phone, plus we just finished eating so then She played on her phone talking to some guy on Facebook.

After a bit I lit some candles turned on some soft music and turned out the lights. At first she was very resistant to even kissing but I spoke some bullshit sweet words to warm her up but she was still pretty cold so I thought a little clit licking might do the trick and at this point it was only 10:45 so less 3 hours so far, then she just yelled stop and I thought "OK Screw it" went and washed my face and she went to the toilet.

I came out and laid on the bed and she came out and sat down on the bed and started looking at her phone and then she preceded to put on her clothes. I said what the hell are you doing! She didn't respond, so I walked back to Bamboo and told them the story. They first said there was nothing they could do for me! About 2 hours later they said they could give me a 300 peso discount on another barfine.

So that is the crap you can expect in Bamboo bar. Please help me blackball this bar so this crap is not allowed to continue. We need to support each other so this doesn't happen to anyone else. Usually Bamboo bar is good but this is unacceptable.

This is the first time I ever encountered this problem but I fear this trend increasing.

Thank you for your support!

MM.What happen MM losing your touch your first AC runner. Sorry to hear this happen to the best monger in AC. Don't tell me AC is not monger's paradise anymore. Where is the love gone?

[WestCoast1]

After a bit I lit some candles turned on some soft music and turned out the lights. At first she was very resistant to even kissing but I spoke some bullshit sweet words to warm her up but she was still pretty cold so I thought a little clit licking might do the trick and at this point it was only 10:45 so less 3 hours so far, then she just yelled stop and I thought "OK Screw it" went and washed my face and she went to the toilet.

I came out and laid on the bed and she came out and sat down on the bed and started looking at her phone and then she preceded to put on her clothes. I said what the hell are you doing! She didn't respond, so I walked back to Bamboo and told them the story. They first said there was nothing they could do for me! About 2 hours later they said they could give me a 300 peso discount on another barfine.
Its one thing to stop and get her some McDo or Jolli (take out, not dine in). A well-fed girl performs better. Or skip that. ASAP you want to get the first bang in for the night. You can always take her out for food / drink after. We've seen this kind of thing of the board before. A few hours with the girl will appear to the mama or manager as more than enough time to have banged the girl -- twice.

[SouthEaster]

True unfortunately. The mamasans are extremely reluctant to give discounts or refunds. If you are with the girl for 4 hours or more it is highly unlikely you will see a refund. 40 minutes, maybe!

SE.

[Member #4530]

Does anyone have any experience with a little knock shop on the corner of Santos and Vian street, across the street from Tequila Reef?

I pulled one out of there this afternoon. 1500 P S / T. Nice lady, good conversation and a great body. We're deep in the act and nearly finished and she leaps up and says "one hour over". Throws her clothes on and splits. I'm a 20-year AC vet and believe I have seen every BS possible but that was a new one. WTF? First time I have visited that shop however.

[Mr Enternational]

Does anyone have any experience with a little knock shop on the corner of Santos and Vian street, across the street from Tequila Reef?

I pulled one out of there this afternoon. 1500 P S / T. Nice lady, good conversation and a great body. We're deep in the act and nearly finished and she leaps up and says "one hour over". Throws her clothes on and splits. I'm a 20-year AC vet and believe I have seen every BS possible but that was a new one. WTF? First time I have visited that shop however.LOL. I fucked the mamasan out of there when Central Park first opened back. Great GFE. I liked how she washed me in the shower like I was a new born baby. I gave her 1000. She had to sneak out so the other girls did not know she was coming with me. I always tell them that is dumb as fuck. They need to be leading by example. They can't expect the girls to do something that they can not do.

[Bushes]

Don't understand your comment. I knew girls who have hard small tits. Knew girls with really firm big tits. I knew some Asian girls with big heads, big feet, and strong. Farms girls and hobbit feet from working in the fields. I knew Western girls with square shoulders and solid muscles (athletes and martial artists) and hairier than I. They weren't on drugs. And I have not had a TS. I am pretty good with anatomy in that region. And, Asian TS are pretty good. Saw many in Thailand that I would assume to be girls. That is why I always check under the hood for typical structure before selection. Knock on wood, no fakes or impostors yet.


If they can't make tits that look real, you think a fake pussy is going to fool me? (Shit. You can spot fake tits without a chick even taking off her shirt.) And that is only if the big head, big feet, square shoulders, and deep ass voice are able to slide pass me.

[WestCoast1]

Does anyone have any experience with a little knock shop on the corner of Santos and Vian street, across the street from Tequila Reef?

I pulled one out of there this afternoon. 1500 P S / T. Nice lady, good conversation and a great body. We're deep in the act and nearly finished and she leaps up and says "one hour over". Throws her clothes on and splits. I'm a 20-year AC vet and believe I have seen every BS possible but that was a new one. WTF? First time I have visited that shop however.There is a time limit in the Santos / Raymond street "blow row" bars, whether you take the girl upstairs or back to your place. Its specific. Back in the day it was 4 hours. About 4 years ago they cut it to 2 hours. Its possible some of them are 1 hour. You didn't question or specify first? Lesson learned. You should also specify in the regular Walking Street bars your timeframe. "Can you stay until 9 am?" in front of the mama.

[VicVeg]

Each time I go back to AC after 6 months or so, nearly all the girls are different. This includes massage girls, waitresses, bar girls etc.

I just wonder what percent of the pinays work in the sex industry sometime in their life. With the turnover seen in the thousands of girls working in AC, it might be large.

And it seems they nearly ALL have babies out of wedlock. It is a catholic country yet they are having pre-marital sex, and they guy is running off after she gets pregnant. This does not seem catholic to me.

[StudBucket]

Dear Gents,

First time for me to have a runner but the trend of poor service and less love and passion is continuing strong in Angeles.
I came out and laid on the bed and she came out and sat down on the bed and started looking at her phone and then she preceded to put on her clothes. I said what the hell are you doing! She didn't respond, so I walked back to Bamboo and told them the story. They first said there was nothing they could do for me! About 2 hours later they said they could give me a 300 peso discount on another barfine.

So that is the crap you can expect in Bamboo bar. Please help me blackball this bar so this crap is not allowed to continue. We need to support each other so this doesn't happen to anyone else. Usually Bamboo bar is good but this is unacceptable.

This is the first time I ever encountered this problem but I fear this trend increasing.

Thank you for your support!

MM.Dear Master Monger.

Thanks for the report. I will definitely ban Bamboo bar as this is completely unacceptable response by their management. They should have refunded you the money. We pay these girls to perform, and she did not fulfill her side of the deal. She ran on you. Management then said there was nothing they could do which is complete utter Bullshit They are just being typical greedy Filipino businesspeople with a very common mentality of its okay to fuck someone over (sad but true). One of my best friends lives and has a business in Makati and constantly complains how Filipinos will screw over their own family and other people or parties in a business transactions. That is why credit or terms are rarely given in business deals, its cash only. By the way, this Bamboo Bar is in a cursed location, it used to be Bunker Bar, then Calypso Bar, and now its Bamboo. I am sure they won't make it long. The bar always has several door girls outside and you go in and its absolutely terrible with a small number of girls in. But, rest assured I will not be going in there. I did have good experiences with XS, Crystal Palace, and Atlantis girls. Hope this helps.

SB.

[Engine Driver]

Friday Night about 7:45 I went to barfine her at Bamboo bar. I took her to EGI for a steak dinner and then back to my hotel. I had some stuff to do on my phone, plus we just finished eating so then She played on her phone talking to some guy on Facebook.

After a bit I lit some candles turned on some soft music and turned out the lights. At first she was very resistant to even kissing but I spoke some bullshit sweet words to warm her up but she was still pretty cold so I thought a little clit licking might do the trick and at this point it was only 10:45 so less 3 hours so far, then she just yelled stop and I thought "OK Screw it" went and washed my face and she went to the toilet.
You will always encounter at least one non-performer on your trip. You have no bargaining power because firstly, prostitution is illegal and secondly, you've already paid the money. Just let it go. 3,000 PHP plus LD is not a big deal for a foreign monger.

The mistake you made was that you treated this girl like you would treat your girlfriend in the west. AC girls are not impressed by steak dinners or plush air-conditioned rooms with comfy beds. These girls are used to eating rice and sleeping on the floor. Given a choice, they would rather be with their friends, eating rice and sleeping on the floor rather than spending time with a foreigner. Contrary to popular belief, they do not like going with foreigners. They just want your money.

The minute you bar fine a chick, just take her up to your room and fuck her. Leave all that romantic shit, wining and dining etc till after you have had your first pop. Better still, save all that romantic stuff for your western girlfriend back home. Since you were away with the girl for 3-hours, you will not get much sympathy. Mamasan probably thought what was this guy doing for three hours without fucking her?

[ChicoBarca]

Just a small thing to remember, the catholic church forbid any kind of prevention. So there you are, no sex before marriage and if you do no protection.

Chico.


Each time I go back to AC after 6 months or so, nearly all the girls are different. This includes massage girls, waitresses, bar girls etc.

I just wonder what percent of the pinays work in the sex industry sometime in their life. With the turnover seen in the thousands of girls working in AC, it might be large.

And it seems they nearly ALL have babies out of wedlock. It is a catholic country yet they are having pre-marital sex, and they guy is running off after she gets pregnant. This does not seem catholic to me.

[Engine Driver]

Just a small thing to remember, the catholic church forbid any kind of prevention. So there you are, no sex before marriage and if you do no protection.

Chico.No sex education, no condoms, no birth control pills and no abortions. No wonder the Philippines continues to struggle.

[Lee66]

Daily birth control pills widely available morning after pill is not.

[Member #4530]

There is a time limit in the Santos / Raymond street "blow row" barsI've been hitting the Raymond / Santos street BJ facilities for 20 years but always take them back to the hotel. Use to be you could find some diamonds in the rough at these places. What I loved about these ladies was the lack of a time limit and they'd usually do whatever it takes to keep the customer happy. S / T was typically 2 hours or less, never knew of a time limit. You bring up a good point, in this new era, one has to specify every requirement up front before the BF is paid. Lesson learned.

To add to the story, I was so pissed-off about the event that I went to Q-Bar later and BF'ed an older 30-year-old but attractive lady whom I was sure would make up for the earlier experience. Specified short time. I was pretty buzzed and agreed to buy her dinner at Chow King and then a little dancing at High Society. This gal was sweeter than candy and we danced until about 2 AM before heading back to the hotel. I even bought her some clothing on Fields Ave. Softened her up for what I was predicting to be the great fuck. We get back to the room and she plays star fish. No foreplay, no BJ, just laid there spread eagle and then played the "your too big for me" BS and I threw her out.

Days tally was about $120 USD gone and I never got layed.

[SouthEaster]

I thought the few "blow row" bars were no longer allowed to let you screw on the premises? Additionally I also never heard of a strict 1 hour limit. To me ST is one pop, whether it is 10 minutes or 2 hours. I would have been choked too. I also question the wisdom of wining and dining these girls before getting anything out of your "date". As another fellow mentioned save that shit for where it might actually help, the west. I am an admitted cheap Charlie so maybe no surprises about my attitude but I will be damned if I am buying steaks, buying drinks and dancing the night away when my primary desire is getting laid!

SE.

[Engine Driver]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?

[VicVeg]

I've been hitting the Raymond / Santos street BJ facilities for 20 years but always take them back to the hotel. Use to be you could find some diamonds in the rough at these places. What I loved about these ladies was the lack of a time limit and they'd usually do whatever it takes to keep the customer happy. S / T was typically 2 hours or less, never knew of a time limit. You bring up a good point, in this new era, one has to specify every requirement up front before the BF is paid. Lesson learned.

To add to the story, I was so pissed-off about the event that I went to Q-Bar later and BF'ed an older 30-year-old but attractive lady whom I was sure would make up for the earlier experience. Specified short time. I was pretty buzzed and agreed to buy her dinner at Chow King and then a little dancing at High Society. This gal was sweeter than candy and we danced until about 2 AM before heading back to the hotel. I even bought her some clothing on Fields Ave. Softened her up for what I was predicting to be the great fuck. We get back to the room and she plays star fish. No foreplay, no BJ, just laid there spread eagle and then played the "your too big for me" BS and I threw her out.

Days tally was about $120 USD gone and I never got layed.I had similar time with a girl from shooters. Barfined her because she was so sweet in the bar. Then in the hotel, she was lame as hell in the sack. No BJ, no enthusiasm when I carpet munched her. And even with a shower, it smelled like 'jungle pussy' (the musky smell they often get). And the shag was lame as she hardly got heated up etc. I think the girls in the PI see it as weakness to get heated up for a customer. Once in a while you can find a girl that has the right attitude: they have to screw this guy, so why not enjoy it (no one besides him is to see her get all excited, scream, orgasm etc etc).

The next day, she texts me and wants to go shopping for a new cell phone. She sent me a model she wanted and it was 700 usd. Yeah, right. I had her come over and ate breakfast and then said we should go back and screw and I could give her the same money as if it were another BF. She was lame in the sack again, and then showed dissapointment at the 3 k I gave her. She wanted a new cell phone.

Then she texted me all night to come barfine her again. She said I promised her. I didn't. She gave me the sob story of her baby needs milk etc. The poor girl. I liked her and she was cute and tall and thin so I don't regret the money spent. But my gosh girl: enjoy the sex (you work in the sex industry afterall).

Anyway, AC is wonderful as I feel like I did in college: you have no idea where the night will take you with great opportunity for party and sex at every turn.

But it is really hit or miss with the quality of the sex. I got a massage girl that I picked out of a few girls just based on looks. Lame ass massage, then she offered up the HJ. After she got the oil ready for the HJ I happened to say 'what about a BJ? Then she gave me the BEST BBBJ with CIM that I have gotten in rememberable history. It was so good, I got it 2 more times in following days. She could of just gave the same BJ they mostly all do (lame licking and sucking the head only), but she was an artist that took pride in her work. And it paid off with repeat business!!

That is why we sit in tin cans for 24 hours to get to the PI: you never know the delights that might wait you. In the USA, we all know (past 35 years old or so) what waits us: hippos, gold diggers, fucked up human reckage etc etc. That smell, are obese, f*cked in the head, or some Backpage 20 year old working girl that will cut your throat for pocket change if she could. I love the PI and hope it doesn't warp into some Korean sex town where westerners are not welcome.

[Member #4530]

I had similar time with a girl from shooters. Barfined her because sheI could write a book of horror stories that have occurred to me in AC over the past 8 days including having to get the Wild Orchid security to throw two girls out of my room who refused to leave unless they both received 2500 P each for having no sex.

I thought I knew every BS game a Filipina could pull but they have repeatedly one-upped me. I just changed my return flight to go home 4 days early.

Again I've been hitting AC 3 or 4 times a year since '98 but this is unfuckingbelievable. I will give AC one more shot at the peak of summer low season and if its similar to this visit, AC's on the off-limits list.

The only good nookie I got this week was from massage girls with an identical experience as VicVeg (was it Ara?) and the rolodex girls I've been schtupping for years.

[Goferring]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?I can't speak for Angeles but for other areas:

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

In low season, I've seen less popular girls absolutely frantic at the end of the month. No bar fine and they loose everything: dance fees, drink fees EVERYTHING. But, yes, board, food, laundry etc is still payable. . .

[Engine Driver]

We all know that some bars are doing it hard due to low levels of punters and due to less girls wanting to enter the business when compared to say 10-years ago. I have often thought that if I was a bar owner, what would I do differently to increase my only two sources of revenue drink sales and bar fines?

The number one thing punters expect in a bar is a line of up attractive, slim young woman. No one wants to enter a bar to see a line up of fat, unattractive woman on stage, which is presently the case in most of the bars in AC. If the bars were full of hot woman, the punters would come, drink and bar fine. The party atmosphere which people are seeking would quickly return. The tourists would go home and tell their friends about it and numbers would increase.

It's obvious the bars just can't get any hot looking woman. Maybe the best ones get snapped by the Korean run places. Maybe poor girls just don't want to work in a bar anymore. BKK introduced coyote dancers simply because the punters wanted some eye candy while they drank their beers. It was easier to get theses girls because they didn't have to bar fine. Perhaps the AC bar owners could go down this route.

The unemployment rate in the Philippines is 5%, so anyone with a pulse can get a job. The basic dancers' salary is around PHP 7,500 (before LD commissions and bar fines), so it's similar to the minimum wage for an unskilled worker in the Philippines. Any girl can get an ordinary, respectable job and then have the option of playing the dating game on the side with a cheap smart phone. With a couple of meet ups during the month, and maybe a sponsorship from someone abroad, she would be pulling close to what the bar girl is making any way, but with an easier life. Somewhere in the region of PHP 20,000 I would guess. Social media has opened up a lot more options for girls wanting to earn a reasonable wage.

Where's all this headed? The real competitor for the bars is economic progress. The country has a very low unemployment rate, overseas demand for Filipina workers remains high and social media can be exploited by adventurous girls. Girls don't have to dance on a podium in high heels for 6-nights a week and go with fat, smelly foreigners in order to survive.

In AC, I think the specialty Korean emperor golf model and other variations of it will continue to expand. Some bars for Westerners will remain, but you can see this is a decline which can't be stopped.

[Mogwai]

LOL. I fucked the mamasan out of there when Central Park first opened back. Great GFE. I liked how she washed me in the shower like I was a new born baby. I gave her 1000. She had to sneak out so the other girls did not know she was coming with me. I always tell them that is dumb as fuck. They need to be leading by example. They can't expect the girls to do something that they can not do.Quite a lot of managers in the western world expect their employees to do something they cannot do, LOL.

[Mogwai]

AC girls are not impressed by steak dinners or plush air-conditioned rooms with comfy beds. These girls are used to eating rice and sleeping on the floor. I concur (generally speaking anyway, as there are always exceptions). Most girls don't like the air conditioning. They find it too cold. Hell, some of them don't even like ventilators pointed at the bed at night.

And one of my regulars complained that her back was hurting from sleeping in my hotel bed. It was too soft she said. Actually the beds are quite hard in the Pacific Breeze, but she is used to sleeping on a mat on a concrete floor.

[PBtoCobra]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?In my experience of getting to know some BGs in SG, they do have weekly and monthly targets for LDs, they call it points and they do need to hit a certain target in a week. Otherwise the girls just sit there all night on their phones or chat!

[Sammon]

Does anyone know if the bar girls have monthly quotas for LDs and for bar fines? Also, does their salary get cut if they're late for work? Has anyone seen a bar girls' pay slip?I doubt if there is a hard and fast rule. If so all the ugly girls would be out. These days bars are hard pressed to stock up the bars with girls. They need min three rotations of at least 8-10 girls to keep functioning.

[Mr Enternational]

Don't understand your comment. I knew girls who have hard small tits. Knew girls with really firm big tits. I knew some Asian girls with big heads, big feet, and strong. Farms girls and hobbit feet from working in the fields. I knew Western girls with square shoulders and solid muscles (athletes and martial artists) and hairier than I. They weren't on drugs. And I have not had a TS. I am pretty good with anatomy in that region. And, Asian TS are pretty good.Size of tits have nothing to do with whether they appear real or not. My last year of high school I made a small ceramic Venus de Milo without the head. I didn't know shit about anatomy. I was trying to bolt on some tits. My art teacher (who was an older gay guy) schooled me that tits are contoured from under a woman's arm. In other words that shit all blends together. And even when a woman has a shirt on you can tell whether they match the body or not. Fake tits defy gravity. They sit up and stick out as if they are attached to wire frames.

Asian TS are not good at all. Maybe they can fool you on a picture (even then you can see the big ass head and the square jaw), but in person you know right off that they are dudes. I have listed all the telltale signs which also include their mannerisms. They do not walk (women don't walk around like they are trying to be a runway model), talk (their deep ass voices sound nothing like a woman's high-pitched voice), or even hold their handbags like a female. They constantly check the mirror to make sure they still look like a woman. They constantly mess with their hair, because if even 1 hair is out of place it would blow their cover. LOL. Seriously, you don't need to go looking for a dick to know that they are men. You don't think you would be able to tell EngineDriver's feet from your girlfriend's feet? I don't go 2 weeks without a pedicure, but you can still tell my feet from a chick's!

"It may surprise some folks, but women's feet are not just smaller versions of men's feet. Without stepping on any politically correct toes, there are actual physical differences in male and female foot structure. " http://footanklealliance.com/blog/los-angeles-foot-doctors-surgeons-specialists/.

[Mr Enternational]

True unfortunately. The mamasans are extremely reluctant to give discounts or refunds. If you are with the girl for 4 hours or more it is highly unlikely you will see a refund. 40 minutes, maybe!LOL. How many times have I said to pay after? If you pay after you don't have to worry about being at their mercy for a refund. But I guess guys are still scared to rock the boat, thinking it is carved in stone to pay before leaving the bar. They don't mind rocking your boat though when it comes to ripping you off.

[SaltyPete]

They do not walk (women don't walk around like they are trying to be a runway model), talk (their deep ass voices sound nothing like a woman's high-pitched voice), or even hold their handbags like a female. They constantly check the mirror to make sure they still look like a woman. They constantly mess with their hair, because if even 1 hair is out of place it would blow their cover.My rule-of -thumb: If it is trying too hard to look like a girl, it probably isn't.

[D Cups]

Jajaj what size were you trying to bolt on, Mr. E? I couldn't resist jajajajaj


I was trying to bolt on some tits..

[Dark Vader]

Hah! You and me both! I've fucked her a few times but she threw a hissy fit one time when I said that I wanted to keep the lights on and so she's off my list now.


LOL. I fucked the mamasan out of there when Central Park first opened back. Great GFE. I liked how she washed me in the shower like I was a new born baby. I gave her 1000. She had to sneak out so the other girls did not know she was coming with me.

[Chocha Monger]

Time to blow the referee's whistle and toss out the penalty flag for unnecessary softness. The bar girls have changed the game, soft punting no longer works. If fellas want to get what they pay for, they are going to have to play by the Revised Laws of Mongering. Have a hard dick and an even harder heart! Put the word out. Someone killed GFE in Angeles City and the girls are warm in the bar but cold and mean in the bedroom.


The minute you bar fine a chick, just take her up to your room and fuck her. Leave all that romantic shit, wining and dining etc till after you have had your first pop. Better still, save all that romantic stuff for your western girlfriend back home. Since you were away with the girl for 3-hours, you will not get much sympathy. Mamasan probably thought what was this guy doing for three hours without fucking her?Correct! The mamasan was unsympathetic because he had enough time to fuck but blew it on romance. She probably thought that he could not get it up and was playing for more time. The bar girl probably thought he fell in love with her and was trying to replace her Pinoy boyfriend. The candlelight dinner and love songs just made her want to go home and give her real boyfriend her pussy. Flip hookers may act all sweet in the bar to convince the monger to pay bar fine. It does not mean they particularly like the monger. They expect him to take them directly to the room for a very hard fuck, get his two shots in, and send them on their way.

Many of them want to go to Hi-So with their friends and do a bit of freelancing to supplement their income from the bar. Others want to go fuck and sleep with their trike driver or security guard Pinoy boyfriends. They want money not love from old foreign mongers. Mongers are wasting time with the extensive ritual foreplay. It just frustrates the hookers and makes them angry because they want to get the job done. When a monger fills their guts up with hard to digest Flip beefsteak and wears them out on the dancefloor, they are too tired and lazy to fuck and suck him later. From their point of view, he is too demanding. Bar girls perform best when fucked hard on an empty stomach.


To add to the story, I was so pissed-off about the event that I went to Q-Bar later and BF'ed an older 30-year-old but attractive lady whom I was sure would make up for the earlier experience. Specified short time. I was pretty buzzed and agreed to buy her dinner at Chow King and then a little dancing at High Society. This gal was sweeter than candy and we danced until about 2 AM before heading back to the hotel. I even bought her some clothing on Fields Ave. Softened her up for what I was predicting to be the great fuck. We get back to the room and she plays star fish. No foreplay, no BJ, just laid there spread eagle and then played the "your too big for me" BS and I threw her out.

Days tally was about $120 USD gone and I never got layed.Bar girls see your sweetness as weakness. When she asked you to feed her at Chow King, it was a softie test. You should have told her you were going to feed her some hard dick, salty nuts, and a few servings of baby gravy back in the room. The soft treatment you gave her just hardened her up. When she assumed the classic starfish pose, you should have started fucking to get into good form, then grabbed the back of her knees, and pushed them up to her ears. Once in that position you could concentrate your weight onto the back of her knees, so your dick goes deep in her chest, and hammer away at her cervix for a nice lively fuck.

Throwing her out was a reward for bad behavior. She will pull the same trick on other mongers, as it worked out very well for her. A 30-year-old bar girl saying that a dick is too big for her pussy is the funniest joke I have heard in a while. At that age, they have at least 3 or 4 kids and a few grandchildren. Most likely, her pussy was so bulwang (loose) and toneless that she was probably embarrassed you would notice it, so she did her best to discourage you.

[Member #4530]

Spoke with some Korean guys in Viking last night who pretty much shared the same sentiment as us regarding the AC decline. One guy had a 50% runner rate. They were under the impression the Koreans were more susceptible to this and the girls don't pull that shit with westerners. I set him straight.

[Engine Driver]

Spoke with some Korean guys in Viking last night who pretty much shared the same sentiment as us regarding the AC decline. One guy had a 50% runner rate. They were under the impression the Koreans were more susceptible to this and the girls don't pull that shit with westerners. I set him straight.The AC bars are struggling to find girls, so everything is stacked in the girls' favour. The whole business model is fucked. If you pay the full amount upfront, there is little incentive for the girl to perform. Besides, a PHP 3,000 all inclusive fee (or PHP 1,800 at the Perimeter) is considered too small to warrant any sincerity, honesty, contractual obligation or customer service from the girls. They just don't care.

P. Burgos, Makati girls provide a much better quality of service as the payment is split. The bar fine is paid before take out and the girls' payment is made afterwards. Also, we are talking about prices which are 2-3 times that of AC, so that in itself produces some sort of moral obligation to perform.

[VicVeg]

I witnessed more examples of bad service. I got a massage at an expensive place offering extras, and in each room, they have smoke detectors beeping (due to low battery). I took it off the ceiling and gave it to the receptionist. She acted like I did wrong. Who can relax with this bull crap? Then I went into another place, and they have the radio blasting, with commercials etc. Not relaxing at all, and bad business sense. At the end of the massage, when she asked about extras, I said what could we do. She said anything, including full service. I might of, but there were like 10 people out side the room eating dinner with laughter, loud talk etc. Yeah, I am to have sex with all that going on. It was hard enough having to walk past all of them after a HJ.

Also, the girls make most of their money off of tips for extra service. You would think they would give you a 'sensual massage' with ball tickling, grazing your ass etc etc to get you in the mood for extras. Few girls do this. It is like night and day from when the massage ends and the extras begin. And they often ask if you want 'extras' like they are asking if you want a foot massage. If they got you heated up, then it would flow naturally into extras.

I had a funny experience with a street walker massage girl. I brought her back to the room, and needed a shower. I am afraid of the girls stealing while I am in the shower, so I often have them sit on the toilet so I can keep an eye on them. I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder, and she did it, then when I was done with the shower, she said 'I want to go'. I said fine, good bye. I then saw her out on the street night after night, with no customers, as I took other girls near her for massage. She needs to toughen up and be able to take some direction if she is to make it in AC. How do you keep the girls from stealing while you are in the shower?

[Member #4530]

IMHO the only advantage the AC girls had over Thais is their GFE-style warmth and caring. Its gone. Now any expression of kindness is perceived as a vulnerability to exploit. The Filipina is gone from these girls.

[Dg8787]

I witnessed more examples of bad service. I got a massage at an expensive place offering extras, and in each room, they have smoke detectors beeping (due to low battery). I took it off the ceiling and gave it to the receptionist. She acted like I did wrong. Who can relax with this bull crap? Then I went into another place, and they have the radio blasting, with commercials etc. Not relaxing at all, and bad business sense. At the end of the massage, when she asked about extras, I said what could we do. She said anything, including full service. I might of, but there were like 10 people out side the room eating dinner with laughter, loud talk etc. Yeah, I am to have sex with all that going on. It was hard enough having to walk past all of them after a HJ.

Also, the girls make most of their money off of tips for extra service. You would think they would give you a 'sensual massage' with ball tickling, grazing your ass etc etc to get you in the mood for extras. Few girls do this. It is like night and day from when the massage ends and the extras begin. And they often ask if you want 'extras' like they are asking if you want a foot massage. If they got you heated up, then it would flow naturally into extras.

I had a funny experience with a street walker massage girl. I brought her back to the room, and needed a shower. I am afraid of the girls stealing while I am in the shower, so I often have them sit on the toilet so I can keep an eye on them. I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder, and she did it, then when I was done with the shower, she said 'I want to go'. I said fine, good bye. I then saw her out on the street night after night, with no customers, as I took other girls near her for massage. She needs to toughen up and be able to take some direction if she is to make it in AC. How do you keep the girls from stealing while you are in the shower?Don't leave anything out. Lock it up in the safe. Larger items can be padlocked in your suitcase. Keep your pants in the bathroom when you shower.

The girl must have thought that was some weird shit to have to sit there and watch you shower! Good thing she didn’t misunderstand you thinking that you wanted her to take a crap while you showered?

[Indy Hundred]

...over the last few years in AC, an influx of European tourists with an appetite for LBs resulted in an explosion in their numbers on Fields Ave and Walking Street. Reports now indicate that they are misrepresenting themselves as girls to get into hapless mongers' rooms in the hopes of having their way with them with the lights turned off. That was something expected in Manila or Subic, not so much in AC.Not surprised.

Last summer, I went into a salon in AC to get a manicure. The two manicurists were ladyboys. You could tell right away and they weren't hiding the fact. They told me stories of punters coming to Angeles just for LBs but would be very secretive about it. Australians drinking in the bars and then would sneak off with a LB and then return back to the bar and keep drinking with their mates. They also told me about how more and more punters wanted a LB and even stories of long-term relationships. One of them was being supported by long distance boyfriends who helped her with medical and hormonal treatments.

To each their own.

[Indy Hundred]

Does anyone have any experience with a little knock shop on the corner of Santos and Vian street, across the street from Tequila Reef?

I pulled one out of there this afternoon. 1500 P S / T. Nice lady, good conversation and a great body. We're deep in the act and nearly finished and she leaps up and says "one hour over". Throws her clothes on and splits. I'm a 20-year AC vet and believe I have seen every BS possible but that was a new one. WTF? First time I have visited that shop however.I had walked by that place many times and finally went in last time I was in AC. Fortunately, there were only two people inside and when I chose the girl I wanted, the other went outside. We negotiated short time (don't remember if it was an hour, two or four hours. Sorry) and off we went. She was 19, very cute, no kids, lost her virginity a couple of months ago and just wanted to suck my dick. Which was fine by me. It was her last night in AC and she was awesome. Ended up negotiating for the whole night.

[Indy Hundred]

Keep your pants in the bathroom when you shower.Best advice. Just don't force the girl to come into the bathroom where your shorts are while you are showering.

[Mr Enternational]

I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder,Yet everyone wants to go there because...they speak English? How does saying something louder change her understanding of a language?

[Kabul Guy]

No sex education, no condoms, no birth control pills and no abortions. No wonder the Philippines continues to struggle.The cathloic church has fucked up more poor countries than any other factor in history.

Look at central and south america as well for some more examples.

[Shining Wit]

Yet everyone wants to go there because...they speak English? How does saying something louder change her understanding of a language?Standard practice for a native English speaker! We're not very good at speaking other languages.

[BayView]

I had the same problem with a girl named Ann from Bamboo back on November. By far the hottest girl in the bar. AVOID HER! They refused to offer me one peso. At least you got her to take off some clothes! First she only wanted to watch TV, then to sleep. I gave up after 2 hours and sent her on her way. Bamboo's manager told me that they have had no other complaints about her.


Dear Gents,

First time for me to have a runner but the trend of poor service and less love and passion is continuing strong in Angeles. Met this girl Ann (Rose Ann) Working in Bamboo bar when she was out fishing with some guy from the States staying at Orchid Inn on Thursday night and I got her phone number.

Friday Night about 7:45 I went to barfine her at Bamboo bar. I took her to EGI for a steak dinner and then back to my hotel. I had some stuff to do on my phone, plus we just finished eating so then She played on her phone talking to some guy on Facebook.

After a bit I lit some candles turned on some soft music and turned out the lights. At first she was very resistant to even kissing but I spoke some bullshit sweet words to warm her up but she was still pretty cold so I thought a little clit licking might do the trick and at this point it was only 10:45 so less 3 hours so far, then she just yelled stop and I thought "OK Screw it" went and washed my face and she went to the toilet.

I came out and laid on the bed and she came out and sat down on the bed and started looking at her phone and then she preceded to put on her clothes. I said what the hell are you doing! She didn't respond, so I walked back to Bamboo and told them the story. They first said there was nothing they could do for me! About 2 hours later they said they could give me a 300 peso discount on another barfine.

So that is the crap you can expect in Bamboo bar. Please help me blackball this bar so this crap is not allowed to continue. We need to support each other so this doesn't happen to anyone else. Usually Bamboo bar is good but this is unacceptable.

This is the first time I ever encountered this problem but I fear this trend increasing.

Thank you for your support!

MM.

[Turgid]

I had the same problem with a girl named Ann from Bamboo back on November. By far the hottest girl in the bar. AVOID HER! They refused to offer me one peso. At least you got her to take off some clothes! First she only wanted to watch TV, then to sleep. I gave up after 2 hours and sent her on her way. Bamboo's manager told me that they have had no other complaints about her.What's happening in what used to be my favorite destination? Bad reviews one after the other. Makes me contemplate changing my plans for a 2019 visit.

[Aviator12]

Bar girls see your sweetness as weakness. When she asked you to feed her at Chow King, it was a softie test. You should have told her you were going to feed her some hard dick, salty nuts, and a few servings of baby gravy back in the room. The soft treatment you gave her just hardened her up. When she assumed the classic starfish pose, you should have started fucking to get into good form, then grabbed the back of her knees, and pushed them up to her ears. Once in that position you could concentrate your weight onto the back of her knees, so your dick goes deep in her chest, and hammer away at her cervix for a nice lively fuck.It is 4 years since my last visit to Angeles. My experience was not similar to what is reported here. I treat the girls nice and with respect and I felt I got a much better service after treating them well. Some snacks or dinner just made them happy and in better mood. Would like to hear stories from other mongerers on this topic. If true it is a sad development.

[Dg8787]

It is 4 years since my last visit to Angeles. My experience was not similar to what is reported here. I treat the girls nice and with respect and I felt I got a much better service after treating them well. Some snacks or dinner just made them happy and in better mood. Would like to hear stories from other mongerers on this topic. If true it is a sad development.Don't be alarmed. If you had a good time then, you will have a good time again. Same sky is falling shit tossed around 4 years ago and you still had a great time. Treat them nice and with respect and you will have a great time.

I don't ever recall CM citing a personal experience. A few got ripped off by this Ann from Bamboo Bar and the sky is falling again for 2018. Just stay away from Ann if you believe this is credible. Or go interview her. The bar? Who knows? Could be another
great girl there too.

A good coxsman understands good sensual experiences comes in different body forms. Also you will some runners from time to time. Get over it and move on. Why waste a few hours or days stewing for a “refund” and ruining your precious time. Get back on the saddle and ride again.

[California8]

I had a funny experience with a street walker massage girl. I brought her back to the room, and needed a shower. I am afraid of the girls stealing while I am in the shower, so I often have them sit on the toilet so I can keep an eye on them. I asked the girl to do this, and her english was bad, so I repeated it louder, and she did it, then when I was done with the shower, she said 'I want to go'. I said fine, good bye. I then saw her out on the street night after night, with no customers, as I took other girls near her for massage. She needs to toughen up and be able to take some direction if she is to make it in AC. How do you keep the girls from stealing while you are in the shower?Take a shower together!!

Cal8.

[Engine Driver]

Take a shower together!!

Cal8.You have to understand that some new girls are quite intimated and scared of foreigners. They think its easy money doing massage when compared to working as a waitress for PHP250 a day. Few of them realise the emotional stress involved.

[BrainDrain]

What's happening in what used to be my favorite destination? Bad reviews one after the other. Makes me contemplate changing my plans for a 2019 visit.There are so many good stories in this place. Just have a look at the number of happy people that do keep returning. My latest adventure.

In bed with regular performer B when regular performer A comes back in the door unexpectedly. I thought Performer A was out of town for a few days visiting family and now she returned two days early. Well this is tricky. Girl be is naked in bed, I'm standing naked with a wet dick and a very angry and shocked Girl A. Kept the girls apart, got one out of the door, talked my way out of the mess. Both Girl A & B had become so comfortable and trusting which was great for a new level of sex and performance.

So if this was in the west, most probably I would have been shot or at least stabbed by one of them. And most probably deserted by both.

In the Philippines, I still see both of them, albeit seeing one in a separate hotel room. I love this place.

BD.

[Chocha Monger]

I had the same problem with a girl named Ann from Bamboo back on November. By far the hottest girl in the bar. AVOID HER! They refused to offer me one peso. At least you got her to take off some clothes! First she only wanted to watch TV, then to sleep. I gave up after 2 hours and sent her on her way. Bamboo's manager told me that they have had no other complaints about her.Bar girls are just dancing prostitutes. A prostitute can smell weakness in a john from a mile away, in the same way a she-wolf can sniff out a wounded sheep from the flock. The hottest girl in the bar is the alfa she-wolf and she knows it. The bar manager is not going to kick out the hottest girl in the bar no matter how much she sucks. Mongers walk in, see her, sit down and order a drink. That is good for business. Firing her because she did not fuck you is bad for business. You paid your money and took your chances, as far as the manager is concerned. Do you think the manager would admit the bar regularly accepts bar fines for their hottest girl who never fucks customers? That would be tantamount to declaring that the bar swindles customers.

Never pick the alpha female bar girl from the pack unless you have a dominant no-nonsense personality. She wanted to watch TV and sleep. Is that what you paid for? No. You paid her to suck and fuck! Therefore, you should have made it clear that she had to do her job immediately and taken charge. If she refused to do her job, then you could have returned to Bamboo within 10 to 15 minutes of paying her bar fine with a valid complaint. You could have even used your phone to video the whole refusal of service shtick because she wanted to watch TV and sleep. If, on the other hand, you spent two hours pleading with her to fuck while she laid there and ignored you, then that is your fault. In two hours, you should have busted at least two nuts in her guts. Then she would have been justified in wanting to catch a little TV and nap.

The manager at Bamboo must have wondered what you meant when you said that you tried to get her to fuck and gave up after two hours. Either she wants to fuck or she does not want to fuck, and you should know that within the first 5 minutes in the room. There is no trying to get her to fuck, as you are not on a date. You arrive at an agreement at the bar and you consummate it on arrival to the room. If she changes her mind on arrival, you take her back to work and get back your money. What you do not do is let her run out the clock doing whatever she wants in your room, as you sit there with a hard dick in your hands wondering what to do with it.

[VicVeg]

I was so jet lagged that I got up and ate breakfast at 7 am. Would go to phillies or margarita station.

Then around 10 or 11 am, when most people are coming out from under their hangover to eat, I would eat a 2nd breakfast. I did this as breakfast is cheap in AC, and as I can eat breakfast food (I can't eat so many things in the PI due to worries about sickness: hamburger, fresh vegtables, etc).

I would go to grand central station on fields ave as they have a breakfast and coffee combo for 150 p, and I can watch the 'shit show' on fields. The 'shit show' is all the freaks, weirdos, free lancers, Trannies, etc etc.

Granted, it is a better show at 4 am when the bars are shutting down, but it is still ok at 11 am.

I was walking to grand central, when 3 girls stopped me. I was curious what they were up to. They obviously were free lancers. I said I would buy them the 150 p breakfast. I chatted them up, and found out they came up from manila to make money freelancing. I asked why didn't they just go to Burgos or LA Cafe and work. They said they have family etc in manila and can't sell sex there for worries of getting caught. So I think AC is not only a whoring destination for mongers, but for the girls. Kinda interesting.

I didn't go with them as they werent very cute. But more power to them if they can earn and then return to manila to be nice family girls. Their moms, brothers, and boyfriends will never know what they do with their sweet pussies a few days a month!

[Member #4530]

Bar girls see your sweetness as weakness. I'm learning but its not my speed to be play hard. Other guys are good at it. Why I like AC over other venues is these girls use to reciprocate kindness. Some still do so don't. Yesterday's tally was a 2'fer in the early afternoon with sweeties who would do anything possible to please me followed by a super hottie from Centauro who got a headache soon as she entered the room. I couldn't tolerate another runner so I played the alpha male role and fucked her silly. I prefer the former experience however.

[Member #4530]

Don't leave anything out. Lock it up in the safe. Larger items can be padlocked in your suitcase. Keep your pants in the bathroom when you shower.

The girl must have thought that was some weird shit to have to sit there and watch you shower! Good thing she didnt misunderstand you thinking that you wanted her to take a crap while you showered?Make a game of it. Have some fun.

1. I keep all valuables in safe or in locked suitcase (with a 2nd locking strap around it).

2. I got a wad of fake but convincing US $100 bills off of Ebay. The AC girls can't tell the diff.

3. I put five fake $100 bills in the desk drawer along with an old but very dead LG phone.

4. After the girl leaves the room and before I call the front desk "OK for girl to go. " I check the drawer.

So far this trip this trip and most trips nothing lost. However last visit one $100 bill was lifted. I called the front desk and said "please inform Ms. XXXXX that the money she stole was fake". Oddly in this case, security escorted her back to my room but I just smiled and said "Everything OK".

Five years ago I had a street girl in the room and I thought all my valuables were locked up however I noticed my little hand carry airplane bag had moved position. I had a cheap candy-bar video camera in it that really wasn't worth much that was missing. She wouldn't give it up. Long story short we both ended in the AC police station at 3 AM. She basically shoved it up her pussy. A woman cop strip searched her wearing rubber gloves and came out with but we all joked "I ain't touching it".

[Mr Enternational]

Make a game of it. Have some fun.
2. I got a wad of fake but convincing US $100 bills off of Ebay. The AC girls can't tell the diff.

3. I put five fake $100 bills in the desk drawer along with an old but very dead LG phone.

4. After the girl leaves the room and before I call the front desk "OK for girl to go. " I check the drawer.

So far this trip this trip and most trips nothing lost. However last visit one $100 bill was lifted. I called the front desk and said "please inform Ms. XXXXX that the money she stole was fake". Oddly in this case, security escorted her back to my room but I just smiled and said "Everything OK".What is fun about that? You are a grown man. Now when a chick goes out and tries to use one and gets caught and she points the finger at you and the authorities come get you how fun will it be then? Keep it simple by not doing unnecessary shit.

[Mr Enternational]

I chatted them up, and found out they came up from manila to make money freelancing. I asked why didn't they just go to Burgos or LA Cafe and work. They said they have family etc in manila and can't sell sex there for worries of getting caught. So I think AC is not only a whoring destination for mongers, but for the girls. Kinda interesting.Nothing new. High Society and FL mongers have always been well aware of this. Even here in Thailand chicks come from Bangkok to Pattaya on the weekends to make money. Dominican Republic chicks go to Sosua from all over to make money on the weekends. Colombia chicks go to Cartagena on the weekends to make money. Etc.

From the Manila thread the other day:


Had lined up for the night:

- Girl 1: Talking for a week, going to go out and pick up another girl and have an epic evening and I was going to definitely make it worth her financial while. Text at 7 pm: My friends dragged me to Angeles. Fucking ****..

[Engine Driver]

1. I keep all valuables in safe or in locked suitcase (with a 2nd locking strap around it).
The first thing I do before I go bar hopping in AC is to put my wallet, phone, laptop and passport in the safe. I only carry about PHP10,000 in notes with me in my pocket.

When the girl comes into the room, I put whatever notes I have left, along with my watch into the safe. Then I can relax. Apart from the clothes I am wearing, there is nothing for the girl to steal.

The suitcase is always locked. It is a pain, but what can you do? I don't even trust the room cleaners.

In all of my time mongering, I have only ever had a PHP50 plastic bracelet stolen from me. And that was by a college educated EDSA girl many years ago whom I had to kick out for not wanting to perform. I was mugged once on Perimeter Road and a trike driver ran off with $200, but that was my fault for not being on guard.

[Engine Driver]

Make a game of it. Have some fun.

Five years ago I had a street girl in the room and I thought all my valuables were locked up however I noticed my little hand carry airplane bag had moved position. I had a cheap candy-bar video camera in it that really wasn't worth much that was missing. She wouldn't give it up. Long story short we both ended in the AC police station at 3 AM. She basically shoved it up her pussy. A woman cop strip searched her wearing rubber gloves and came out with but we all joked "I ain't touching it".Man, you certainly like to live dangerously. I would never report anything to the police unless it was a really important issue and I needed a report for the insurance company back home. Taking a bar girl to the cops is also a bad idea. You never know who the girls are connected to in the Pampagna region and how they and the cops could extract money from you. As a foreigner, it's best to keep a really low profile.

I don't even complain when the massage girls cheat on my time by 15 minutes. I just pay the correct amount and don't give them a tip. They then know why. Best to avoid any form of confrontation in AC. It can be a dangerous place

[Mr Enternational]

Man, you certainly like to live dangerously. I would never report anything to the police unless it was a really important issue and I needed a report for the insurance company back home. Taking a bar girl to the cops is also a bad idea.It's like he does not know prostitution is illegal. So in the midst of doing illegal shit he is trying to draw as much attention to himself as he can. Hey everybody. Watch closely as I go inside and rob this bank!

[Member #4530]

It's like he does not know prostitution is illegal. So in the midst of doing illegal shit he is trying to draw as much attention to himself as he can. Hey everybody. Watch closely as I go inside and rob this bank!I've been punting in AC since '98 and I know what I'm doing. This was purely a theft issue. No discussion of prostitution and the cops were only helpful. Many of them know me for years as well. Got my camera back and then they drove me back to the hotel. It didn't cost me a peso. I've had other buddies with similar situations and the cops have assisted. Without us, they don't have any business.

[Sammon]

Man, you certainly like to live dangerously. I would never report anything to the police unless it was a really important issue and I needed a report for the insurance company back home. Taking a bar girl to the cops is also a bad idea. You never know who the girls are connected to in the Pampagna region and how they and the cops could extract money from you. As a foreigner, it's best to keep a really low profile.

I don't even complain when the massage girls cheat on my time by 15 minutes. I just pay the correct amount and don't give them a tip. They then know why. Best to avoid any form of confrontation in AC. It can be a dangerous placeI concur. Never get involved with police in any mongering place. Stay under the radar and have fun. Any minor losses should be taken as a learning experience. Never fight with local girls, LB if that is your interest. Police will have no sympathy with a mongering foreigners.

Lock all your valuables and carry only local currency. Never ever trust locals. I had a experience with my regular girl from the provinces. I had taken her to a casino and I won like 12000 pesos. Came back to the room and forgot to put it in the safe. In the morning 3000 was missing. This was a very sweet pretty young girl whom I always flew in to Manila and stayed together many days all the time. She probably thought taking 3000 out of 12000 I won is ok and I would not notice it.

I did not confront her but adjusted quietly the amount I give at the end of her stay. She did not object.

[Member #4530]

What is fun about that? You are a grown man.Fun Tricks #2.

I carry a Doberman Security Motion Detector Alarm ($25 for 2 on Amazon). They're quite small. You can stick it in a drawer or suitcase. Anything moves and you can definitely hear it in the shower. They eat their 9V batteries up pretty quickly though.

[VicVeg]

As I am not 18 anymore, when in AC where sex, BJs, HJs etc are seemingly always available, I practice what I call 'nut maintenance'. It is where I know I have my limitations, and thus have to choose, and be selective regarding how / when I bust nuts.

When I was 18, I could screw everything and not feel drained, either physically or emotionally. All I needed was 15 minutes to recharge, and I could have sex again. And I could bone 10 girls a day and not feel emotionally drained.

Now, I can have maybe 2 or 3 nuts a day physically, and might need some Vitamin V to pull that off. And after I screw a girl I don't know, or care about etc. , I often feel drained emotionally. And sometimes I will have an 'emotional hangover' where I feel regret etc.

On my recent trip, I met a girl on FC, and wined and dined her, and got her in the sack, and she resisted having sex. I pressured her, guilted her (as I spent so much $ on her), and the next morning, after hours of begging, she finally let me stick it in her. And afterwards, I felt an emotional hangover as I think she really didn't want to have sex, but finally gave in. She was ok with me finger banging her, but really acted like she wasnt into sex Plus, I didn't really like her etc. I pursued her so much as she was greedy etc (got me to buy her a purse), and I wanted her to 'repay' me some. I know this is sad and now regret it.

Also, when I get a FL or massage girl etc. , I have learned to wait and see where the interaction goes. If I don't like them, or they are not sexual, or seemed rushed, or greedy etc, then I won't have sex, and might not even get a HJ, so I can have sex later with someone I like, and desire etc. I think this is the better way. I might take a FL for a drink or coffee so I can see if I like her at all. Sometimes there is nothing there I desire or want to experience and will send her off (usually to her dismay).

Because in AC, where sex is everywhere and easy to get, you don't need to go sticking your dick in just anything. Be selective. If girls want to get boned (either for the sex or the money), then they have to 'work for it' by being nice, sexy, loving etc etc. It is not like in the US, where there are so few screwable girls, that anytime an attractive girl wants sex you have to jump on it fast else she will move onto some other horny / desparate guy. If a girl in AC did that, I wouldn't miss a beat, and would be onto the next hot chick.

[Psychman]

Make a game of it. Have some fun.

1. I keep all valuables in safe or in locked suitcase (with a 2nd locking strap around it).

2. I got a wad of fake but convincing US $100 bills off of Ebay. The AC girls can't tell the diff.

3. I put five fake $100 bills in the desk drawer along with an old but very dead LG phone.

4. After the girl leaves the room and before I call the front desk "OK for girl to go. " I check the drawer.

So far this trip this trip and most trips nothing lost. However last visit one $100 bill was lifted. I called the front desk and said "please inform Ms. XXXXX that the money she stole was fake". Oddly in this case, security escorted her back to my room but I just smiled and said "Everything OK".

Five years ago I had a street girl in the room and I thought all my valuables were locked up however I noticed my little hand carry airplane bag had moved position. I had a cheap candy-bar video camera in it that really wasn't worth much that was missing. She wouldn't give it up. Long story short we both ended in the AC police station at 3 AM. She basically shoved it up her pussy. A woman cop strip searched her wearing rubber gloves and came out with but we all joked "I ain't touching it".Creepy, tempting fate, and just unsafe. You never know what a working girl will say if she is confronted by the police and is afraid. She cries assault, and you are in jail. Or, she is 19, but says she is [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902), and you are sitting in the tank on trafficking charges while they sort out the ID issue.

[Engine Driver]

Fun Tricks #2.

I carry a Doberman Security Motion Detector Alarm ($25 for 2 on Amazon). They're quite small. You can stick it in a drawer or suitcase. Anything moves and you can definitely hear it in the shower. They eat their 9V batteries up pretty quickly though.More gadgets to carry now! What's wrong with just using the room safe and locking your suitcase?

[Bugzy 69]

Hi guys,

Was in Angeles last time in June 2014, most probably visit again this coming July for 10 nights. Last time I was there I went once in Score Birds and in Orchid hotels for afternoon pool parties. Nice enjoyable time and a great option to fill an afternoon with sexy ladies and chilled beer. To come to my question, are these events still organized on frequent basis? Even both hotels looks fine so most pro I book my stay in one of them. Last time I stayed at the Orchid Inn, guess it's the youngest sister of the Main Orchid inn Resort.

[WestCoast1]

More gadgets to carry now! What's wrong with just using the room safe and locking your suitcase?Nothing wrong with that. Some gents like more security. Remember, the room safe may only protect you from the girl, but not the hotel employees.

[BonusParts]

Not surprised.

Last summer, I went into a salon in AC to get a manicure. The two manicurists were ladyboys. You could tell right away and they weren't hiding the fact. They told me stories of punters coming to Angeles just for LBs but would be very secretive about it. Australians drinking in the bars and then would sneak off with a LB and then return back to the bar and keep drinking with their mates. They also told me about how more and more punters wanted a LB and even stories of long-term relationships. One of them was being supported by long distance boyfriends who helped her with medical and hormonal treatments.

To each their own.I've been thinking about going to a salon while in the Philippines since I'm assuming they are cheap (first time). Also looking to go to a skin clinic / dentist. Am I better off in Manilla or AC? Thanks.

[ManonsanBoy]

I've been thinking about going to a salon while in the Philippines since I'm assuming they are cheap (first time). Also looking to go to a skin clinic / dentist. Am I better off in Manilla or AC? Thanks.There are 2 dental clinics in SM mall in the upper floors that are part of national chains. I had some work done there and they look and felt good.

[X Man]

Wild Orchid Resort is the place with pool parties, not Orchid Inn. And Orchid Inn is far older. I guess someone might say "older sister". Scorebirds and even Kokomos are known for pool parties. But the newest party place is the rooftop pool area at ABC. It is called AQUA and there have already been some comments about the atmosphere and system earlier on this thread. Enjoy.


Hi guys,

Was in Angeles last time in June 2014, most probably visit again this coming July for 10 nights. Last time I was there I went once in Score Birds and in Orchid hotels for afternoon pool parties. Nice enjoyable time and a great option to fill an afternoon with sexy ladies and chilled beer. To come to my question, are these events still organized on frequent basis? Even both hotels looks fine so most pro I book my stay in one of them. Last time I stayed at the Orchid Inn, guess it's the youngest sister of the Main Orchid inn Resort.

[Engine Driver]

I've been thinking about going to a salon while in the Philippines since I'm assuming they are cheap (first time). Also looking to go to a skin clinic / dentist. Am I better off in Manilla or AC? Thanks.In AC a manicure is PHP 50 and a pedicure is PHP 70. A foot scrub is PHP 250. Many of the salons have LBs, which I found really annoying, particularly when they sit next to you and touch you. I just ignored them and asked a woman for the service.

[Mr Enternational]

In AC a manicure is PHP 50 and a pedicure is PHP 70. A foot scrub is PHP 250. Many of the salons have LBs, which I found really annoying, particularly when they sit next to you and touch you. I just ignored them and asked a woman for the service.Once again, I get all those services done in Reign Massage Shop and get my hair cut next door by Kuya Raul. If you want foot scrub and pedicure you have to tell them in advance so they do the foot scrub first. There is a chance of infection if they do the pedicure first so they will tell you to come back the next day as I learned the hard way.

[Chocha Monger]

More gadgets to carry now! What's wrong with just using the room safe and locking your suitcase?It is not about security. Catching the girls trying to steal his stuff turns Waffles on. He plants counterfeit bills and old phones as bait. When the girls attempt to steal, they trigger the alarm. Their panic and embarrassment gives him a boner. The game is a part of his kink. It is a way to add some drama to otherwise uneventful mongering. When the police fished the cheap camera that he said was not worth much out of the streetwalker's pussy pocket, it was orgasmic. Waffles actually wants them to steal, as it is part of the erotic humiliation kink.

Most mongers are terrified at the thought of taking some street meat they just nutted in down to the police station for a cavity search. However, a monger with an erotic humiliation fetish would cream in his pants seeing a girl he just fucked suffering such public humiliation, as it is an extension of the sexual encounter. The danger of it going wrong just heightens the sexual arousal.

[Engine Driver]

Once again, I get all those services done in Reign Massage Shop and get my hair cut next door by Kuya Raul. If you want foot scrub and pedicure you have to tell them in advance so they do the foot scrub first. There is a chance of infection if they do the pedicure first so they will tell you to come back the next day as I learned the hard way.Do they wax your dick and balls as well?

[Mr Enternational]

Do they wax your dick and balls as well?No but I am sure they would. I got those hot rocks there one time. Never again. That shit really is HOT. I got my feet waxed at a shop on MacArthur Hwy in January.

[Wicked Roger]

It is not about security. Catching the girls trying to steal his stuff turns Waffles on. He plants counterfeit bills and old phones as bait. When the girls attempt to steal, they trigger the alarm. Their panic and embarrassment gives him a boner. The game is a part of his kink. It is a way to add some drama to otherwise uneventful mongering. When the police fished the cheap camera that he said was not worth much out of the streetwalker's pussy pocket, it was orgasmic. Waffles actually wants them to steal, as it is part of the erotic humiliation kink.

Most mongers are terrified at the thought of taking some street meat they just nutted in down to the police station for a cavity search. However, a monger with an erotic humiliation fetish would cream in his pants seeing a girl he just fucked suffering such public humiliation, as it is an extension of the sexual encounter. The danger of it going wrong just heightens the sexual arousal.Well said CM. We are all different flavours but those involving jerking off to taking people to the police in the Philippines is something even I would draw a line at as generally you will never win.

[D Cups]

Hilarious! CM have you met Waffles?


It is not about security. Catching the girls trying to steal his stuff turns Waffles on. He plants counterfeit bills and old phones as bait. When the girls attempt to steal, they trigger the alarm. Their panic and embarrassment gives him a boner. The game is a part of his kink. It is a way to add some drama to otherwise uneventful mongering. When the police fished the cheap camera that he said was not worth much out of the streetwalker's pussy pocket, it was orgasmic. Waffles actually wants them to steal, as it is part of the erotic humiliation kink.

Most mongers are terrified at the thought of taking some street meat they just nutted in down to the police station for a cavity search. However, a monger with an erotic humiliation fetish would cream in his pants seeing a girl he just fucked suffering such public humiliation, as it is an extension of the sexual encounter. The danger of it going wrong just heightens the sexual arousal.

[VicVeg]

With all the talk recently about HPV causing throat cancer in men that perform oral sex on woman, what are your remedies?

There is alot of talk here about riding bareback. Yes, you can catch Herpes or HIV doing such, but HPV is much more contagious. Most ALL of the men on this site have or are carriers of HPV on there privates. This is due to its propensity in the sexually-active population. The only way to NOT catch it is to only have a sex with a virgin your whole life.

Thus, the women we sleep with in AC mostly all have or are carriers of HPV. And most guys are going down on at least one ore more girls during their time in AC. Thus many of us are having HPV on our mouths, and thus some will get the resulting mouth and throat cancer. The actor Michael Douglas recently said his throat cancer is due to oral sex.

Doctors say to cut a condom length-wise and spread it over the pussy and then lick that. How horrible.

Instead, I get up right after oral sex and brush my teeth, rinse with mouth wash, and douse my lips and face with alcohol / bactine. I know it is not romantic, but then again we are licking the privates of sex workers in a sin city like AC.

[WestCoast1]

Instead, I get up right after oral sex and brush my teeth, rinse with mouth wash, and douse my lips and face with alcohol / bactine. I know it is not romantic, but then again we are licking the privates of sex workers in a sin city like AC.Always the romantic and givin' me a stiffie!

[Lazy Summer]

With all the talk recently about HPV causing throat cancer in men that perform oral sex on woman, what are your remedies?

There is alot of talk here about riding bareback. Yes, you can catch Herpes or HIV doing such, but HPV is much more contagious. Most ALL of the men on this site have or are carriers of HPV on there privates. This is due to its propensity in the sexually-active population. The only way to NOT catch it is to only have a sex with a virgin your whole life.

Thus, the women we sleep with in AC mostly all have or are carriers of HPV. And most guys are going down on at least one ore more girls during their time in AC. Thus many of us are having HPV on our mouths, and thus some will get the resulting mouth and throat cancer. The actor Michael Douglas recently said his throat cancer is due to oral sex.

Doctors say to cut a condom length-wise and spread it over the pussy and then lick that. How horrible.

Instead, I get up right after oral sex and brush my teeth, rinse with mouth wash, and douse my lips and face with alcohol / bactine. I know it is not romantic, but then again we are licking the privates of sex workers in a sin city like AC.
This won't work! HPV is a virus. All these precautions will kill bacterial infections but won't work on HP Virus! But I am no Doctor and willing to be corrected!

[Mua Tur]

With all the talk recently about HPV causing throat cancer in men that perform oral sex on woman, what are your remedies?
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Instead, I get up right after oral sex and brush my teeth, rinse with mouth wash, and douse my lips and face with alcohol / bactine. I know it is not romantic, but then again we are licking the privates of sex workers in a sin city like AC.These fellas thinking different with your post.

Please read post #9439 and #9437, General Reports, Thailand thread.

[Member #4530]

It is not about security. Catching the girls trying to steal his stuff turns Waffles on. He plants counterfeit bills and old phones as bait. When the girls attempt to steal, they trigger the alarm. Their panic and embarrassment gives him a boner. The game is a part of his kink. It is a way to add some drama to otherwise uneventful mongering. When the police fished the cheap camera that he said was not worth much out of the streetwalker's pussy pocket, it was orgasmic. Waffles actually wants them to steal, as it is part of the erotic humiliation kink.

Most mongers are terrified at the thought of taking some street meat they just nutted in down to the police station for a cavity search. However, a monger with an erotic humiliation fetish would cream in his pants seeing a girl he just fucked suffering such public humiliation, as it is an extension of the sexual encounter. The danger of it going wrong just heightens the sexual arousal.Interesting perspective but imaginative and false.

I'm not young. Understand I have successfully punted in every east Asian country except East Timor and North Korea and long before many of you saw puberty. I've traveled 63 countries. Those of you who may know me remember me as the guy who wrote the book on Cambodia in the mid-90's and before any westerner had the guts to step foot in country and I believe before ISG existed. TSMTravel was the board of the day and posts were, for the most part, informative, polite and intellectual. Posts belittling their colleagues were usually removed by the moderator. It was an era of greats such as Poppalorn, Frequent Flyer, Surfer, Lucky, The Godfather, Mesquite (and many more I can't remember) who introduced SEA to the men of the world. Most of these legends are no longer with us today.

In the period of the Internet before the World Wide Web existed, the Delphi BBS forums was the venue in which I learned the most. I'm probably the sole survivor of the Delphi boards.

Granted I've made every mistake possible in 30 some years but to my knowledge I've never experienced an unsafe moment albeit a coup and gun battle in East Timor due to poor timing. In '96 I spent a lot of money rescuing truly enslaved girls in Indonesia's Riau archipelago which only made their lives worse. In '98 I tried to marry an AC bar girl and that went to hell in a handbasket quickly. You can go into Det 5 tonight and ask her, she works there and we're still friends.

I treat every girl in every country with the utmost respect and generosity and any girl I've had begs for return. You guys are probably thinking "loser".

I have regulars in AC whom I leave my wallet on the desk while I shower and a few who I tell to take what you need from wallet. Every wanting street girl gets food money from me and I'm famous for taking them into restaurants, ordering all they can eat, and walking away. My phone rings 24/7 when I'm in town, but in my old age, the regulars no longer do it for me and it takes a new face to get this old fart's nuts off.

AND when I'm with a new girl, my guard is up, my fake money, junk phone and motion detector routine stands. Its about. 01% of my game. I "don't get off on it" but I have a zero tolerance for being ripped-off from girls who I demonstrate the utmost generosity to. And the next time a girl shoves my video camera up her pussy and I repeatedly and politely request its return, I shall once again call my hotel's well-greased security and if they're unsuccessful, I have no qualms in marching her to the station.

BTW despite prostitution being technical illegal in country, I *think* the police are aware that all 10,000 of you are here for such, and that their livelihood depends upon it. All of the older cops know me by my first name and from the era in which they came into the bars to drink and gain "security gifts" from us which I contributed. Two of them have joked with me about the camera in pussy event earlier this week. I show the same respect to them as I do the girls and I have zero paranoia. When push comes to shove (which it never has) they'll back me versus a street girl who isn't going to contribute to their coffers.

I've never heard of the term "runner" up until maybe 5 years ago and I'm ill equipped to play the alpha dominant monger which many of you brag of. The new era of AC, I. E. A sellers market, runners and thieves is challenging for me and I'm an easy patsy. I can only remember maybe 3 times I've been taken in AC however my Pattaya fuckup rate is higher.

Have any of you ever met me? I doubt it but most of the older bar owners in town know me. I no longer get any pleasure of hooking up with fellow punters, I don't talk sports and I have little tolerance for negativity. Like the guy who was shouting at a street girl from Kokomos last night calling her "pancake tits", I probably dislike the bulk of you.

I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it.

From my trench, you're a bunch of wet-behind-ears newbies who can kiss this monger's fat white ass. Go ahead and pick this post apart, I don't give a shit. Get a life kids.

[Lee66]

Sodium dodecyl sulfate kills hpv and hiv. Google hpv sodium dodecyl sulfate should get you an article from antimicrobial agents and chemotherapy. This was way back in 1999. Since this does not involve condoms, our protectors don't like it. Will not help to reduce prostitution.

The micobicide use will increase prostituion as it is more enjoyable without the condom.

[Mr Enternational]

I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it.

From my trench, you're a bunch of wet-behind-ears newbies who can kiss this monger's fat white ass. Go ahead and pick this post apart, I don't give a shit. Get a life kids.Congratulations on all of your Asia mongering accolades. We could just well be all that you say we are from your trench. But we are not the asshole going around purposely tempting third world uneducated hookers into trying to steal from us. In your words, "What's the purpose of that?" It is obvious that age has nothing to do with maturity.

[The Cane]

I just took a peek in on this thread to see what was going on. Man, the current discussion in here is whack! Anybody got some maple syrup? Hahahaha!

[NewImage]

Interesting perspective but imaginative and false.
From my trench, you're a bunch of wet-behind-ears newbies who can kiss this monger's fat white ass. Go ahead and pick this post apart, I don't give a shit. Get a life kids.Quote " and I have little tolerance for negativity. " and " I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it. ".

[Golfinho]

I'm not young. Understand I have successfully punted in every east Asian country except East Timor and North Korea and long before many of you saw puberty. I've traveled 63 countries.Woo-hoo! Successful. In Asia! What a feat. You just have no time to demean 'brethren', not when there's girls out there to demean.

[Sammon]

Interesting perspective but imaginative and false.

I'm not young. Understand I have successfully punted in every east Asian country except East Timor and North Korea and long before many of you saw puberty. I've traveled 63 countries. Those of you who may know me remember me as the guy who wrote the book on Cambodia in the mid-90's and before any westerner had the guts to step foot in country and I believe before ISG existed. TSMTravel was the board of the day and posts were, for the most part, informative, polite and intellectual. Posts belittling their colleagues were usually removed by the moderator. It was an era of greats such as Poppalorn, Frequent Flyer, Surfer, Lucky, The Godfather, Mesquite (and many more I can't remember) who introduced SEA to the men of the world. Most of these legends are no longer with us today.

In the period of the Internet before the World Wide Web existed, the Delphi BBS forums was the venue in which I learned the most. I'm probably the sole survivor of the Delphi boards.

Granted I've made every mistake possible in 30 some years but to my knowledge I've never experienced an unsafe moment albeit a coup and gun battle in East Timor due to poor timing. In '96 I spent a lot of money rescuing truly enslaved girls in Indonesia's Riau archipelago which only made their lives worse. In '98 I tried to marry an AC bar girl and that went to hell in a handbasket quickly. You can go into Det 5 tonight and ask her, she works there and we're still friends.

I treat every girl in every country with the utmost respect and generosity and any girl I've had begs for return. You guys are probably thinking "loser".

I have regulars in AC whom I leave my wallet on the desk while I shower and a few who I tell to take what you need from wallet. Every wanting street girl gets food money from me and I'm famous for taking them into restaurants, ordering all they can eat, and walking away. My phone rings 24/7 when I'm in town, but in my old age, the regulars no longer do it for me and it takes a new face to get this old fart's nuts off.

AND when I'm with a new girl, my guard is up, my fake money, junk phone and motion detector routine stands. Its about. 01% of my game. I "don't get off on it" but I have a zero tolerance for being ripped-off from girls who I demonstrate the utmost generosity to. And the next time a girl shoves my video camera up her pussy and I repeatedly and politely request its return, I shall once again call my hotel's well-greased security and if they're unsuccessful, I have no qualms in marching her to the station.

BTW despite prostitution being technical illegal in country, I *think* the police are aware that all 10,000 of you are here for such, and that their livelihood depends upon it. All of the older cops know me by my first name and from the era in which they came into the bars to drink and gain "security gifts" from us which I contributed. Two of them have joked with me about the camera in pussy event earlier this week. I show the same respect to them as I do the girls and I have zero paranoia. When push comes to shove (which it never has) they'll back me versus a street girl who isn't going to contribute to their coffers.

I've never heard of the term "runner" up until maybe 5 years ago and I'm ill equipped to play the alpha dominant monger which many of you brag of. The new era of AC, I. E. A sellers market, runners and thieves is challenging for me and I'm an easy patsy. I can only remember maybe 3 times I've been taken in AC however my Pattaya fuckup rate is higher.

Have any of you ever met me? I doubt it but most of the older bar owners in town know me. I no longer get any pleasure of hooking up with fellow punters, I don't talk sports and I have little tolerance for negativity. Like the guy who was shouting at a street girl from Kokomos last night calling her "pancake tits", I probably dislike the bulk of you.

I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it.

From my trench, you're a bunch of wet-behind-ears newbies who can kiss this monger's fat white ass. Go ahead and pick this post apart, I don't give a shit. Get a life kids.Like you I am well experienced mongering since late 80's. I have been to Riu islands including Karimun. I salute your experience.

Irrespective of that there is one thing known as common sense. Lots of newbies here should not misinterpret your actions thinking it is ok to run to police the moment they have a problem.

You claim to be friends with police. To tell you the truth police in Philippines are only your friends if they benefit.

You claim you take care of girls feeding them etc. But we all know what these poor girls are there for. Given a chance they will rob you blind to support themselves. So we need to be on guard rather than taking them to police station and have them humiliated.

Personally I have been in sticky situations like you but I will never think of getting police involved.

Before ISG there was another website devoted to our hobby. When ISG started they sent me a e mail and making me a senior monger right away.

Bargirls change, bar owners change, police change but we are lucky Angeles city is still functioning. Only because of various factors we know very well. Girls still come there although not the innocent we are used to long ago. There is every scam imaginable nowadays.

The trick is to learn from experience if you get scammed oe stolen from. It is only money which we seems to spend more and more these days to get what we want. We are not definitely change the mindset of girlsand make them honest.

[Dg8787]

Quote " and I have little tolerance for negativity. " and " I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it. ".Waffles mo is his mo. Certainly not mine. CM posts is pure conjecture unless he was a mouse hiding in Waffles room all the time. At least Waffles posted his activities.

[Member #4530]

Like you I am well experienced mongering since late 80's. I have been to Riu islands including Karimun. I salute your experience.
It was the 7th Stone compound on Palau Kundur I had a love / hate relationship with. Naively I bought out the contracts of three minors and shipped them home to Java. They quickly returned as FLs and one died of AIDs within 18 months on Karimun. It broke my heart.

I never stated I'm "friends" with cops. Agree that any positive rapport I may have with them is $$$ based and I'm a walking ATM. Newbies should understand it.

[Member #4530]

Congratulations on all of your Asia mongering accolades. We could just well be all that you say we are from your trench. But we are not the asshole going around purposely tempting third world uneducated hookers into trying to steal from us. In your words, "What's the purpose of that?" It is obvious that age has nothing to do with maturity.I don't purposely tempt. Nothing is in plain sight. If they're poking around in the back of my desk drawer while I'm showering, it serves them right. Its a safety net that helps me distinguish good from bad. Its been triggered only once in AC, nothing become of it but I learned to not repeat with that Lollipop lady. 99% of these "third world uneducated hookers" I. E. girls trying to take care of their families, have more ethics than the mongers they serve.

[Member #4530]

Quote " and I have little tolerance for negativity. " and " I note many of you are more intent on demeaning your brethren versus contributing. Some of you have a 80% derogatory post rate. What's the purpose of that? I don't do it. ".I stand corrected NewImage. I now have a well deserved 0.33% derogatory post rate.

[Turgid]

...........I'm not young. Understand I have successfully punted in every east Asian country except East Timor and North Korea and long before many of you saw puberty. I've traveled 63 countries. Those of you who may know me remember me as the guy who wrote the book on Cambodia in the mid-90's and before any westerner had the guts to step foot in country and I believe before ISG existed.......There was a monger who who recently posted that he tells girls to sit on the toilet while he takes a shower (sets the mood for the deed doesn't it) and asks punters for suggestions as to how to protect his belongings from theft by wgs? You seem to be much more experienced than he is.

[Tagalog2016]

From my trench, you're a bunch of wet-behind-ears newbies who can kiss this monger's fat white ass. Go ahead and pick this post apart, I don't give a shit. Get a life kids.In my opinion it is idiocy to advice other mongers to use fake money in AC just to caught dishonest girl. You try to splurge your experience to seem more legit, but it looks even more dumb.

FYI I've traveled to much more county number than you mentioned, but I never floss with that. I am younger than you, and I mostly fuck girls for free, which you can't afford in your age. So what your rant was about? You might write a book about Cambodia, but you gave a stupid advice on this forum, and you received adequate comments on that in return.

Unlike you, Chocha Monger gives extremely useful advices regarding Philippines. So, perhaps, real experience requires a little bit more than just to dine and wine prostitutes in AC for 20 years.

[Travv]

1 easy protective method that I use is coconut oil. Per the research, coconut oil has the property of dissolving the lipid based skin of viruses and destroying bacteria like gonorrhea. View it as a liquid condom that you spread over your skin but the downside is that you can only use non-latex condoms, like the Sagamis. The 2 d method comes from the research of an Indian VD doctor. Silver gel, which you can buy at CVS pharmacy for about $10. For the extra careful, you can combine the silver gel and the coconut oil and use as a lubricant. So buy a cheap bottle of coconut oil at Walmart in the baking section (Liquid not hard coconut oil) and pour some into a small bottle for carrying with you along with your non-latex condoms. Afterwards, shower off the old coconut oil and reapply.


This won't work! HPV is a virus. All these precautions will kill bacterial infections but won't work on HP Virus! But I am no Doctor and willing to be corrected!

[Mua Tur]

If a bill can be stolen in thinking of original money; it mean that's not a toy bill. That can be a replacement of original bills may called copy money or fake money. Carrying these kind of fake money is judicial crime for any country. Using hidden bugs in general are prohibited too. Need proper authorization from legal concerns. So better to avoid those. The fun inviting trouble could be foolish act for any traveler. Regardless how seasoned or from where he is. Just check the Philippine jails there are several foreign travelers made crime and suffering a lot regardless where they are from. Framed and hunted down.

There are many other ways to keeping safe for travelers stick on those.

[Chocha Monger]

I just took a peek in on this thread to see what was going on. Man, the current discussion in here is whack! Anybody got some maple syrup? Hahahaha!Yeah, a warm jug of maple syrup and a stick of butter. LOL!

[Chocha Monger]

In my opinion it is idiocy to advice other mongers to use fake money in AC just to caught dishonest girl. You try to splurge your experience to seem more legit, but it looks even more dumb.

FYI I've traveled to much more county number than you mentioned, but I never floss with that. I am younger than you, and I mostly fuck girls for free, which you can't afford in your age. So what your rant was about? You might write a book about Cambodia, but you gave a stupid advice on this forum, and you received adequate comments on that in return.

Unlike you, Chocha Monger gives extremely useful advices regarding Philippines. So, perhaps, real experience requires a little bit more than just to dine and wine prostitutes in AC for 20 years.Under Section 50 of Republic Act. 7653, he is already in violation of the law concerning possession of counterfeit foreign currency. The penalty runs from 5 to 10 years, and in the Philippines it can take that long waiting in one of their fine penal facilities for a trial. That is a high price to pay for playing games with hookers. A fat elderly foreigner will have a hard time surviving in a sweltering sardine can penitentiary packed with drug addicts and hardcore violent convicts. The fellas in there play many games though, and snitching to the penal officers will make those games even more interesting.

The last fella on the Cebu forum who claimed to have the Barangay captain and local police greased up with his money recently got three life sentences. None of the cops that he thought were in his pockets warned him that the NBI was on the way to his compound to take him down hard like Geronimo. That fella also said one of his hookers stole from him. However, he was not counting on IJM to be in her corner along with his friends the policemen. Smart mongers do not gamble their freedom on financial friendships with Filipino policemen. One day, the police may find it more profitable to cook their golden goose than waiting for the occasional golden egg.

If a Filipina is desperate or ruthless enough to steal, she may also have other bad qualities like extreme vindictiveness and keeping company with criminal elements in AC. When a Filipina craves on revenge, she will not rest until she has it. For a streetwalker revenge can be simple as walking into the local IJM office and informing them that a certain old foreigner took her to his room and paid to sex her and perform perversions. IJM may decide to take her for a dental exam that determines she is of questionable age. Revenge that is more violent in nature involves a seemingly random attack on the unsuspecting monger from behind, as he goes perving along the streets for fresh meat.

Many mongers got banged up in Cambodia, that book probably contributed to their free extended stay there. In the 1990's, Gary Glitter was the first foreign monger to arrive in Cambodia.

[Datiao]

Hi guys I would appreciate some help on bus transportation during holy week. My flight arrives Manila at 1 am Thursday Mar 29. And I have a flight from Clark to Cebu on Friday Mar 30 1 am. So 24 hrs is definitely adequate to ride a bus from Manila to Clark on normal days but I m not too sure about Holy week. Can anyone advise? Thanks in advance.

[Member #4566]

Hi guys I would appreciate some help on bus transportation during holy week. My flight arrives Manila at 1 am Thursday Mar 29. And I have a flight from Clark to Cebu on Friday Mar 30 1 am. So 24 hrs is definitely adequate to ride a bus from Manila to Clark on normal days but I m not too sure about Holy week. Can anyone advise? Thanks in advance.I wouldn't think you would have any issue given the time of night. It is probably the best time to go. At the old terminal 1, after exiting the airport I go upstairs to the arrivals and find a taxi. They are much cheaper. Before you get in the taxi you might want to try to negotiate a ride all the way to Angeles. If the first taxi doesnt like your offer, go to another. The payment of tolls should be part of the negotiations. Last time I took a pic of the driver and his car before we started and let him see me do it. Told him I sent it my GF or something as a souvenir. I think 2000 is a fair price. Maybe 1:45 hours. You could make it before closing time at most places. Good luck.

[X Man]

My best deal was 2100. Of course they will give you the sad story of no ride back to Manila.


I wouldn't think you would have any issue given the time of night. It is probably the best time to go. At the old terminal 1, after exiting the airport I go upstairs to the arrivals and find a taxi. They are much cheaper. Before you get in the taxi you might want to try to negotiate a ride all the way to Angeles. If the first taxi doesnt like your offer, go to another. The payment of tolls should be part of the negotiations. Last time I took a pic of the driver and his car before we started and let him see me do it. Told him I sent it my GF or something as a souvenir. I think 2000 is a fair price. Maybe 1:45 hours. You could make it before closing time at most places. Good luck.

[VicVeg]

On my recent trip, I helped out a desperate bar girl that needed help buying a cell phone and feeding her baby etc. I was generous.

Now that I am home, she is writing me alot asking me to send her money by Western Union.

I won't send her money as I was already very generous to her. If I were there and could shag her some more, I would continue to be generous to her.

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?

[Member #4698]

On my recent trip, I helped out a desperate bar girl that needed help buying a cell phone and feeding her baby etc. I was generous.That's OK. You met and laid a bar girl. You liked her and was generous to her. Nothing wrong or unusual about this. It happens all the time.


Now that I am home, she is writing me a lot asking me to send her money by Western Union. Nothing unusual about this either. But you should understand that bar girls make this kind of long distance request all the time to their customers and make up some tear wrenching stories to go along with it, although the better class bar girls, IMHO, don't make the attempt and will wait it out for their customers to return.


I won't send her money as I was already very generous to her. If I were there and could shag her some more, I would continue to be generous to her. This is a sane and logical strategy on your part. I have done the same ie returned to see my favorite bar girls year after year after year. My longest running relationship with a bar girl has been going on since 2010! But she never asked me to send her money. Smart girl. She knows I wouldn't, none the less, she makes out ok since I bring her very nice presents every time I return to BKK to see her.


I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl? This is the crazy part of your post. The part I must warn you about. Of course, she is barfining other guys in your absence. That is her profession! Anyway, you just met this bar girl. You can't expect her to be faithful to you for A FEW MONTHS after you leave town. That is crazy thinking. Afterall, she has mouths to feed and rent to be paid. Have you never heard the saying, "you can take the girl out of the bar, but not the bar out of the girl." Well its true in the vast majority of cases.

And besides, what difference does it make to you what she is doing with her pussy when you are not there? If you liked shagging this girl and she was good to you, Great, go see her again when you return. And don't ask any silly questions. If not then find some new girls when you return. Or the best option; do both. It is that simple, unless you want to get taken.

I hope my post is helpful to you. You are the man. You are supposed to have fun with bar girls; love them, shag them and treat them nice and like real girls and you will be amply rewarded with the GFE and some great lays, but for the love of God (LOL) don't fall for the illusion (the GFE) and whatever you do; don't fall in love. Life is a carnival. Have a good time! Enjoy the ride. Don't get hung up.

[WestCoast1]

Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?One word: Buang!

[Sammon]

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?Another idiotic love sick monger guy trying to dictate a bargirls life.

If you are in love marry her and take her away and hope she will be faithful to you. Do not feel bad. Many guys have married and living well with bar girls.

If you do not take this step you have no right to restrict her. Some guys including me (in my case not a bargirl) have supported on monthly donations hoping girl will be faithful. There is no way to ensure that in spite of supporting her. After a while like everybody else I did get tired of seeing the same girl and wanted variety. So the payment and contact stopped.

Right now you maybe in love with this girl but it will pass and you will be looking for other girls when you come next time.

[Banana Boi]

Now that I am home, she is writing me alot asking me to send her money by Western Union.Guaranteed end of any relationship for me.

[Mr Enternational]

Another idiotic love sick monger guy trying to dictate a bargirls life.Except that Vic is joking.

[Chocha Monger]

On my recent trip, I helped out a desperate bar girl that needed help buying a cell phone and feeding her baby etc. I was generous.

Now that I am home, she is writing me alot asking me to send her money by Western Union.

I won't send her money as I was already very generous to her. If I were there and could shag her some more, I would continue to be generous to her.

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?Did you pay her bar fine during the times that you rooted her? If you did, then she should not be desperate. From what you said, she is still working at the bar and receiving a salary. What is her story behind the alleged desperation? If she is sending her entire salary to her family in the province, then she needs to knock it off and feed herself and the baby first. A cellphone is not a desperate need compared to feeding her baby, unless she needs the cellphone to arrange freelance shags.

That brings us to your request to go to her bar and see if she will allow us to bar fine and root her back at the hotel. Frankly, she could turn down every monger in the bar. That does not prove she is faithful. It does prove that she is smart, as she can earn more freelancing outside of work and you would never be the wiser. She can also have trike driver boyfriends who fuck her gratis.

Who is the father of her baby? If it is a Pinoy, he may be the real reason for her desperation, as he has a very expensive habit of betting on the losing roosters. Of course, this leads to depression that requires expensive treatments with large quantities of Red Horse beer and Marlboro cigarettes.

If she is unlucky, he may have the very severe form of depression that requires regular doses of expensive shabu. Thanks to the Du30 risky transaction fees, street pharmacists now charge Pinoy patients P1,300 to P25,000 per gram to fill their prescriptions depending on location and local pharmacist mortality rates.

Now, let us be reasonable. She is a bar girl, and her job is fucking customers for money. You expect her, in her state of desperation, to stop fucking paying customers to be faithful to you. Meanwhile, you will not send her any money to replace the income she forfeits by turning down paid fucks from other generous johns. She has to endure a few months of this financial hardship along with her baby with only your word that you shall return and help her out some more. Of course, this help is not free as you intend to fuck her some more in return for any help that you provide. In the event that you fail to return for whatever reason, she is loses both the money from the generous johns and the help you promised her in return for more fucks. That is a huge gamble for her to take with nothing but a promise of future business from you.

Your employer comes to you and says since he was very generous when he worked you hard, he now expects you turn down offers of employment from other employers while he lays you off for the next few months. In the meanwhile, you will not receive a salary from him and you cannot collect unemployment benefits for the entire time. However, if he fails to rehire you after a few months, you have no recourse to recover lost wages. Will you take that deal?

If you will, expect many PMs from fellow mongers who are in need of labor. LOL! I hope this helps you reconsider your requests and big business expectations for your desperate bar girl.

[Member #4566]

My best deal was 2100. Of course they will give you the sad story of no ride back to Manila.I tell the taxi driver to go the Dau bus terminal and find riders bound for Manila. That is a selling point during my negotiations. I even point out the terminal as we pass it on our way into Angeles.

[Tagalog2016]

On my recent trip, I helped out a desperate bar girl that needed help buying a cell phone and feeding her baby etc. I was generous.

Now that I am home, she is writing me alot asking me to send her money by Western Union.

I won't send her money as I was already very generous to her. If I were there and could shag her some more, I would continue to be generous to her.

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?Both cunning and cheat are big sins. But stupidity is a sin as well to the same extent, since it tempts other people to fuck you over again and again.

No matter how many warnings are posted on here, all the same naive people continue to make the same mistakes. A smell of pussy blew his mind away and he starts to give her money and presents trying to enhance his importance to her. But neither loyalty, nor love could be bought. In spite of hearing and reading this axiom for many times, a one thinks, his case is unique. His girl is not like that, despite she is a mere prostitute. That is how he becomes a victim of illusions and a walking ATM for Filipinas. Such behavior deprave pinays more and more, making them look at all fair skinned guys like at cash cows only.

Dear Fellow,

If you really think, you can buy her faithfulness in exchange of $200 worth cell phone, then you are very wrong. It is a well known scam, when a girl tells you about her hardships, forcing you to give her money or presents. She has zero respect towards you, and the only thing she needs is your money. What you call a generosity, when you buy a cell phone for prostitute, makes you look like a laughing stock for others. One girl told me already, that some WG in Cebu quote double rates for mongers from US, because probably they met a lot of guys like you already, who dine and wine them in upscale restaurants, give them cell phones and send them money from US, hoping to buy their feelings and loyalty.

[Mogwai]

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys.Sure, I'll go there and make sure she's only barfined by me.
But seriously: why are people responding so seriously to your obvious tongue-in-cheek post? LOL.

[Engine Driver]

Hi guys I would appreciate some help on bus transportation during holy week. My flight arrives Manila at 1 am Thursday Mar 29. And I have a flight from Clark to Cebu on Friday Mar 30 1 am. So 24 hrs is definitely adequate to ride a bus from Manila to Clark on normal days but I m not too sure about Holy week. Can anyone advise? Thanks in advance.Why don't you book a car from Margarita Station to pick you up at NAIA? You can book online. The cost is 2,700 PHP one way to AC / Clark. Clean car, friendly driver and safe. They have been providing this service for 20 years.

[Engine Driver]

I tell the taxi driver to go the Dau bus terminal and find riders bound for Manila. That is a selling point during my negotiations. I even point out the terminal as we pass it on our way into Angeles.Even a 500 PHP return fare is better than driving back with no fare. I doubt that anyone at Dau bus station is going to pay 2,000 PHP.

[WestCoast1]

Except that Vic is joking.


But seriously: why are people responding so seriously to your obvious tongue-in-cheek post? LOL.Two guys say VV is joking. Others say not. Its not obvious. Vic?

[Turgid]

On my recent trip, I helped out a desperate bar girl that needed help buying a cell phone and feeding her baby etc. I was generous.

Now that I am home, she is writing me alot asking me to send her money by Western Union.

I won't send her money as I was already very generous to her. If I were there and could shag her some more, I would continue to be generous to her.

I am asking if any guys on the ground could go by her bar and make sure she is not being barfined by other guys. She promised me she is being faithful to me. If she is, I will come back in a few months and help her out some more. Is there such a thing as a faithful bargirl?How do you expect her and her baby to eat if you are not sending her money and she is not being barfined?

[Sock111]

Sure, I'll go there and make sure she's only barfined by me.
But seriously: why are people responding so seriously to your obvious tongue-in-cheek post? LOL.It is amazing how many girls have a sponsor who thinks the girl is in love with them. I'm the other guy. I'm the guy that the girl is bangin on the side while telling me how she has a foreigner that sends her money every month. I find it amusing how she always refers to him as "that guy" in our texts. Right now she's working out how she can come see me because we both happen to enjoy staying at the same hotel and our arrival in Angeles is going to over lap. She doesn't want to get caught and the hotel staff know her. LOL, I find it highly amusing at her predicament.

Even though I refuse to be her ATM she provides excellent GFE and sends me text nearly everyday with how much she misses me. Treat these girls well and enjoy your time together. Don't be a fool and fall in love, what happens in Angeles stays in Angeles. Philipinas require alot of affection and if you are not there, they will get it else where.

[VicVeg]

It is amazing how many girls have a sponsor who thinks the girl is in love with them. I'm the other guy. I'm the guy that the girl is bangin on the side while telling me how she has a foreigner that sends her money every month. I find it amusing how she always refers to him as "that guy" in our texts. Right now she's working out how she can come see me because we both happen to enjoy staying at the same hotel and our arrival in Angeles is going to over lap. She doesn't want to get caught and the hotel staff know her. LOL, I find it highly amusing at her predicament.

Even though I refuse to be her ATM she provides excellent GFE and sends me text nearly everyday with how much she misses me. Treat these girls well and enjoy your time together. Don't be a fool and fall in love, what happens in Angeles stays in Angeles. Philipinas require alot of affection and if you are not there, they will get it else where.Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot. I do like her, and because of your advice I now understand that I cannot expect her to stay celibate until I return. So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she allows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.

[Dg8787]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot. I do like her, and because of your advice I now understand that I cannot expect her to stay celibate until I return. So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she allows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.I don't mind doing your investigation including barfining and banging her but please send my barfine money and etc expenses to me upfront.

[Sock111]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot. I do like her, and because of your advice I now understand that I cannot expect her to stay celibate until I return. So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she allows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.Now you are just trolling.

[Golfinho]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home Now, the lonely old charmer not in AC, but at his home where he is unable to get himself laid, vegs while poking his keyboard one-handed.

[Goferring]

Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot.Vic,

I originally thought you were a troll but now I know you were sincere. A girl I met in Davao got bitten by the same cat (no I am not kidding) and has rabies as well. I'm guessing it got stuck on a ferry or something because it sure gets around. There are also numerous rabies ridden girls on Tinder in Cebu right now too.

Could it possibly be that having run out of traditional maladies a new one is doing the rounds? Sure beats heart attack prone uncle's.

[VicVeg]

Vic,

I originally thought you were a troll but now I know you were sincere. A girl I met in Davao got bitten by the same cat (no I am not kidding) and has rabies as well. I'm guessing it got stuck on a ferry or something because it sure gets around. There are also numerous rabies ridden girls on Tinder in Cebu right now too.

Could it possibly be that having run out of traditional maladies a new one is doing the rounds? Sure beats heart attack prone uncle's.It seems once a girl finds a generous man she keeps going to the well until it dries up. I have seen this business model before. For example, some car dealers, once they have a buyer on the hook, will try shady deals to extract money from them, not worrying about repeat business, or keeping a good reputation etc. These businesses usually close up, move on.

The girl I met in AC is ok, but really was not into the sex, not passionate, etc. She was a naturally nice girl so I barfined her, but not sexual. If she was, I might of barfined her over and over so she would of had repeat business. Instead, her model is to find a generous guy and look to milk him.

I really feel for the girls in the PI. It is a hard life and it seems too little of the money goes into their hands. I talked to a bar owner once and he told me about all the money the bars generate. And I was thinking about how little the poor bargirls make while on their backs. But, given all that, I just wish the girls were smarter and tried to provide outstanding service, and passion to keep a generous guy coming around. Instead they rely on preying on a guys' soft spots with sad stories etc. I had a girl take me out and showed me a silver necklace she wanted once. I bought it for her as it was not expensive and I really liked watching her be so happy etc. At least I saw it was genuine, not a scam.

In the Dominican Republic, I heard a monger yelling at a girl on the street about her Request For Money. So it is an obvious ploy girls use. They turn a sex trade business interaction into a sympathy interaction.

[Mr Enternational]

It seems once a girl finds a generous man she keeps going to the well until it dries up.
In the Dominican Republic, I heard a monger yelling at a girl on the street about her Request For Money. So it is an obvious ploy girls use. They turn a sex trade business interaction into a sympathy interaction.And that is exactly what she should do. Why not? Us Cheap Charlies don't have to worry about that. I picked up a chick the other night and on the way to my room she wanted to stop and get some bananas. I got my money out and tried to pay and she said that is okay. I know you are a Cheap Charlie. I will pay for it. I was laughing my ass off. This chick had known me all of 1 hour. Stop being so generous to hookers; you probably are not being that generous to people in other service industries. I guess even short time pussy has strange effects on guys.


I really feel for the girls in the PI. It is a hard life and it seems too little of the money goes into their hands.The guys are the ones responsible for turning a sex trade interaction into love, care, and sympathy. You aren't feeling sorry for the people working at Jolibee or the girls out selling flowers or the little kid that has to go out on the fishing boat every morning; so why feel sorry for the girl working in the bar?

Too little of the money goes into their hands? They are not the ones that have to pay for the building, the electricity ('cause mongers need the AC), and pay off the police. They went to apply at the bar and knew how much it paid. The bar didn't go begging them to come work there. They can leave whenever. The bar owner is in balls deep and can't just decide one day not to come anymore.

[Goferring]

In the Dominican Republic, I heard a monger yelling at a girl on the street about her Request For Money. So it is an obvious ploy girls use. They turn a sex trade business interaction into a sympathy interaction.Not on the PI, but elsewhere in Asia, I've also seen the opposite happen.

Everyone in the bar was watching a John and his date in a heated argurment about what she was getting up to when he was out of town. The yelling got louder and louder to the point that everyone was waiting for the blows to start flying.

He had obviously built up some attachment to her and she was equally clearly just there for the dollars.

The argument was brought to an end quite quickly when she suddenly yelled "Why do you care? It's only business!" With that you could see the penny drop in his head and everyone returned to normal.

[Chocha Monger]

And that is exactly what she should do. Why not? Us Cheap Charlies don't have to worry about that. I picked up a chick the other night and on the way to my room she wanted to stop and get some bananas. I got my money out and tried to pay and she said that is okay. I know you are a Cheap Charlie. I will pay for it. I was laughing my ass off. This chick had known me all of 1 hour. Stop being so generous to hookers; you probably are not being that generous to people in other service industries. I guess even short time pussy has strange effects on guys.

The guys are the ones responsible for turning a sex trade interaction into love, care, and sympathy. You aren't feeling sorry for the people working at Jolibee or the girls out selling flowers or the little kid that has to go out on the fishing boat every morning; so why feel sorry for the girl working in the bar?

Too little of the money goes into their hands? They are not the ones that have to pay for the building, the electricity ('cause mongers need the AC), and pay off the police. They went to apply at the bar and knew how much it paid. The bar didn't go begging them to come work there. They can leave whenever. The bar owner is in balls deep and can't just decide one day not to come anymore.It is hard for Western men to get over the socialization that taught them to believe fucking is demeaning to women. Fucking is something that men do to women, and the poor women put up with it out of love or desperate need. In the Western paradigm, the more men who fuck a woman, the more she loses social value. She depreciates even faster when any fat old ugly baldy can fuck her for the cost of dinner at Red Lobster. When this reasoning is applied to a beautiful slim 18 to 26-year-old bar girl who oldies in stained wife-beaters and safari shorts drill hundreds of times per month, the guilt and sympathy comes pouring out. Some fellas try to soothe the guilty feelings about the sweet farm girls having their brains fucked out by horny grandpas energized with Red Bull and Viagra. They try to salve their conscience with charity. LOL!

The girls notice the fellas' feelings of guilt about old poles in young holes, and like good businesswomen they find ways to monetize that guilt. Once grandpa gets home and returns to life as a lonely invisible man, he starts reminiscing on how good it felt to put his old pole in young holes. Then he becomes even more aware of how even the middle-aged divorcees do not seem to notice him. At this point, he misses cavorting with bar girls in AC even more than ever. If he is still in contact with his darlings, the odds are good that he will become passive income. LOL!

[Dg8787]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot. I do like her, and because of your advice I now understand that I cannot expect her to stay celibate until I return. So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she a

llows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.Is her name Cristy? A few years ago Cristy was "pregnant" and had to move to a province to hide it from her family. She needed transport, food, medical and all sorts of support. She refused to go to my appointed Dr for a PT by blood. End of story for me.

Do not ever verify with a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) PT. Could be someone else’s [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) or PT.

Another girl sent me a photo of a positive PT. I could tell it was a screenshot of an internet image!

[VicVeg]

Is her name Cristy? No it wasnt, and I wouldn't reveal her identity.

I currently suffer from 'Land-of-the-Hippo-Itis'. After I am in the PI for a while, and have to suffer through traffic, endless begging, scams, bad food, diahrea, not to mention the miserable 24 hours of travel to get to the PI, I start saying 'I will never do this again, I will stay in the USA and suffer'.

But after being in the USA for a few weeks, and suffering through Hippo-shaped women, expensive or non-available mongering, expensive food and booze etc etc, then I start saying 'maybe another trip to the PI is possible'. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Until they invent a supersonic passenger plane so I can go to the PI in a few hours, or I hit the Lottery so I can start to date Hot Gold-digging chix in the USA, I will suffer through this dilemma.

[NewImage]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

Quote " So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she allows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.Really you will give us permission. Yeah she's a nice girl, maybe. Yeah, You're a nice guy. But really. Come on dose of reality here. I know who my real mates are because when I am being stupid they are not afraid to tell me, not that I consider you a mate but. YVMD.

[Sock111]

Sometimes I want to make it rain like I see alot of the korean's do in Atlantis / Dollhouse / Crystal Palace etc. With that being said, what's the best and easiet way to change my notes for a bunch of 20 pesos notes? I'm aware some of the clubs do it, but do they try to charge you?

On a side note, the whole use of ping pong balls should just be removed, that died out when the bars took half as thier cut, which I think is when the notes are used all the time. I've never seen anyone use the ping pong balls in Angeles, but I see thier use all the time in Pattaya.

[StudBucket]

Sometimes I want to make it rain like I see alot of the korean's do in Atlantis / Dollhouse / Crystal Palace etc. With that being said, what's the best and easiet way to change my notes for a bunch of 20 pesos notes? I'm aware some of the clubs do it, but do they try to charge you?

On a side note, the whole use of ping pong balls should just be removed, that died out when the bars took half as thier cut, which I think is when the notes are used all the time. I've never seen anyone use the ping pong balls in Angeles, but I see thier use all the time in Pattaya.Hi there. The best way is to give the mamasan or waitress a 500 peso note and ask for change in the form of 20's so you can throw "tips on stage". Make sure you ask her name before you give her the money as she knows you are making sure she comes back. Then, when she returns, tip her a 20 peso note. I have never had any issues doing this, and they never have a problem.

[GreenBud]

what's the best and easiet way to change my notes for a bunch of 20 pesos notes? I'm aware some of the clubs do it, but do they try to charge you?2 years ago, Atlantis charged 10% to change a large amount (2000 pesos) into 20 peso notes. Assuming it is still the same? The manager said it was because the banks started to charge the club due to the huge amounts of 20 peso bills the club requested. I guess that's why I see some Koreans bring in their own bags of 20 peso bills. They also throw stuffed animals which are popular. Chocolates are also popular.

Atlantis won't charge you if you just want 100 pesos changed. Note sure about 500 pesos. Did StudBucket count his change? I only found out about the 10% charge for the 2000 peso because I counted the change. The waitress didn't mention anything about the surcharge.

Some of the smaller clubs either said no or they would only change a few hundred pesos. It seems fun to make it rain, but I'm on a budget. But I do like to stuff pesos down their bikinis and get a feel.

If I wanted a lot of 20 peso bills, I would ask my hotel. You have might have to ask a few days in advance if you want a lot of it. Another option would be to go to the banks yourself, but you would need an account there.

[GreenBud]

Stop being so generous to hookersSorry.

I buy them food and drinks when I bring them into my room. Afterwards, I tip them approximately 500 pesos for short time. I know 500 is generous.

I have a soft spot for girls (who seems sweet) who put my penis inside their mouths.

[VicVeg]

Sorry.

I buy them food and drinks when I bring them into my room. Afterwards, I tip them approximately 500 pesos for short time. I know 500 is generous.

I have a soft spot for girls (who seems sweet) who put my penis inside their mouths.I do too. Nothing a woman can do to a man is more loving than putting his penis into her most personal space: her mouth.

In the PI I have learned to not be so cheap. I will often turn down a deal (for massage, HJ, BBBJ, etc etc) as it is too expensive etc. Then when I get back to the 'Land of the Hippos', ie the USA, and am wacking off to porn, as that is the only option unless you want to stick it in a hippo, then I will look back at the BBBJ I turned down in AC because she wanted and extra $5. And I will feel very regretful.

So now, I save up more cash than I will need to have a great time in AC and will go over and splurge with more pay for play sex, blowjobs etc etc than I need, or can handle. Then fewer regrets when I return to the Land of the Hippos. Plus, it is downright fun to see where some sex interaction might go. For example, I was walking back to Scorebirds one night and a waitress had just got off work and was walking home. We talked, and I asked her if she could massage me for a tip. She was into it. And after sucked the chrome off my trailer hitch. What a wonderful way to spend $20.

[Sock111]

2 years ago, Atlantis charged 10% to change a large amount (2000 pesos) into 20 peso notes. Assuming it is still the same? The manager said it was because the banks started to charge the club due to the huge amounts of 20 peso bills the club requested. I guess that's why I see some Koreans bring in their own bags of 20 peso bills. They also throw stuffed animals which are popular. Chocolates are also popular.

Atlantis won't charge you if you just want 100 pesos changed. Note sure about 500 pesos. Did StudBucket count his change? I only found out about the 10% charge for the 2000 peso because I counted the change. The waitress didn't mention anything about the surcharge.

Some of the smaller clubs either said no or they would only change a few hundred pesos. It seems fun to make it rain, but I'm on a budget. But I do like to stuff pesos down their bikinis and get a feel.

If I wanted a lot of 20 peso bills, I would ask my hotel. You have might have to ask a few days in advance if you want a lot of it. Another option would be to go to the banks yourself, but you would need an account there.Yeah, I figured they would take a cut. I remember a while back someone told me when he asked for 20 pesos notes, the club gave him these white vouchers instead and girls would be 10 pesos for each note. Don't think that lasted long. I have a regular drive that picks me up from Manila. Maybe I can seek his services to go to the bank for me. I was also thinking about asking my hotel as well. I've seen the receptionist sometimes have stacks of 20 peso notes all prebagged and looking like they were going to deliver it to a room.

[Chocha Monger]

I do too. Nothing a woman can do to a man is more loving than putting his penis into her most personal space: her mouth.Well yes, until she bites your penis like a Rottweiler! Then it will be the most hateful thing a woman can do to a man. If you think I am joking just ask Mr. Enternational about those Thai dick biters. LOL!

[Docwiltro]

So, from what I gather, the green Bench Area is a place dedicated to transvestites and thus best avoided? It seems that is all you encountered there.Not true at all!

[Mogwai]

I don't mind doing your investigation including barfining and banging her but please send my barfine money and etc expenses to me upfront.You know what they say Vic: never pay upfront!

[Mogwai]

not that I consider you a mate but. YVMD.What does YVMD stand for?

[SaltyPete]

Then when I get back to the 'Land of the Hippos'...You forgot to add the adjective "smelly" here. Land of the Smelly Hippos. The odds of finding an American with a fresh pussy is about the same as finding a Pinay with a smelly one. WTF, they just don't seem to even care about personal hygiene anymore here.

[VicVeg]

You forgot to add the adjective "smelly" here. Land of the Smelly Hippos. The odds of finding an American with a fresh pussy is about the same as finding a Pinay with a smelly one. WTF, they just don't seem to even care about personal hygiene anymore here.I have learned to not lick pussy in the USA at all. Either they are too fat, smelly, or fucked in the head. If they arent, then they are to be young, and you are most likely paying for it. Licking hooker pussy is ok I guess but watch out for throat cancer from the HPV. You know she has got it after thousands of dicks being in her.

Pussy in the PI is better as the girls are usually thinner, and the girl less fucked up. But the girls often don't know how to clean right. I get them in the shower and tell them to soap up their pussy, and often ask to help them. Even after that, it often smells sweaty or fishy. I have been told some girls use moisturizing cream made for pussys, and that it smells. If I smelled that shit on her, I would send her back in the shower.

I also think some girls, american or filipino, just have bodys that smell. They don't exercise, don't drink enough water, etc. It is similar to guys in the gym that stink due to just their general body odor.

But who cares if a filipino girl's pussy stinks a little. When you are boning a few pussies a day for a week at a time, eventually you will find a sweet smelling one and can lick away!

[Transporter]

I have learned to not lick pussy in the USA at all. Either they are too fat, smelly, or fucked in the head. If they arent, then they are to be young, and you are most likely paying for it. Licking hooker pussy is ok I guess but watch out for throat cancer from the HPV. You know she has got it after thousands of dicks being in her.

Pussy in the PI is better as the girls are usually thinner, and the girl less fucked up. But the girls often don't know how to clean right. I get them in the shower and tell them to soap up their pussy, and often ask to help them. Even after that, it often smells sweaty or fishy. I have been told some girls use moisturizing cream made for pussys, and that it smells. If I smelled that shit on her, I would send her back in the shower.

I also think some girls, american or filipino, just have bodys that smell. They don't exercise, don't drink enough water, etc. It is similar to guys in the gym that stink due to just their general body odor.

But who cares if a filipino girl's pussy stinks a little. When you are boning a few pussies a day for a week at a time, eventually you will find a sweet smelling one and can lick away!I usually have about a half dozen feminine washes in the bathroom.

You don't need that many, one is enough, but it is good to have 3-4 different brands and scents, as some girls are particular to which one they will use.

Buy the small sizes, that way you can give them away to them (its good if the new girl coming in gets to open and use the next bottle first rather than use a half empty bottle).

[Member #4566]

The Pompetus Direct Proportion Rule of Eating Pussy is a universal truism which states that the ease with which you go down on a pussy is directly proportional to the beauty of the girl.

That being said, I do not eat out hooker pussy unless she is extra pretty and then rarely at that.

[BaddHabbit]

The girls notice the fellas' feelings of guilt about old poles in young holes, and like good businesswomen they find ways to monetize that guilt. Once grandpa gets home and returns to life as a lonely invisible man, he starts reminiscing on how good it felt to put his old pole in young holes."OPYH" A new tagline for ISG? Love it!

[Mogwai]

Pussy in the PI is better as the girls are usually thinner, and the girl less fucked up. But the girls often don't know how to clean right. I get them in the shower and tell them to soap up their pussy, and often ask to help them. Even after that, it often smells sweaty or fishy. Soap will only make it worse in the end. Soap is not good for the human body and certainly not for pussies, because it messes up the natural balanced environment. It's better to let them use feminine wash like Transporter is doing, because it's specifically made for pussy environment. Although also these feminine washes should not be used too much I think. Just rinsing with water is simply the best.

[Turgid]

The Pompetus Direct Proportion Rule of Eating Pussy is a universal truism which states that the ease with which you go down on a pussy is directly proportional to the beauty of the girl.

That being said, I do not eat out hooker pussy unless she is extra pretty and then rarely at that.I do not do eat pussy unless there is absolutely no odor down there, no matter how hot she may be. Sometimes even when there is no odor my intuition tells me not to eat there. However, I do enjoy a good DATY.

[SaltyPete]

My point was that most girls in the Philippines (and in Thailand) do not have smelly pussies like the US; but it may be that I ask them to shower before the 'Thrilla in Manila' happens. I did come across a go-go dancer who smelled like stinky feet down there, which was a serious turn off. The girl I'm seeing here at home has an odor that slaps me in the face when I take off her panties; I'm just going to have to ask her to shower before our dates. Having a keen sense of smell is seldom a blessing.

[Dg8787]

Once you get past the smell you got it licked!

Btw, feminine wash only washes outside. I bring with me disposables douches. I have a lot of fun slowly inserting it in them in the shower and squeezing the bottle. Half the times this gets it going in the shower.

Quite a few girls use toothpaste to wash their V and use the bidet hose to rinse.

[Bushes]

LOL! I hope someone videos your customs inspection if you get checked!


Btw, feminine wash only washes outside. I bring with me disposables douches. I have a lot of fun slowly inserting it in them in the shower and squeezing the bottle. Half the times this gets it going in the shower.IMHO, it is the bathroom water cleansing that helps. I have seen many Western porno shots whereby the female actresses have slug stains or skid marks on their underwear. Whether a bikini or sting. Yek! Gag me!


My point was that most girls in the Philippines (and in Thailand) do not have smelly pussies like the US; but it may be that I ask them to shower before the 'Thrilla in Manila' happens.

[Transporter]

Once you get past the smell you got it licked!

Btw, feminine wash only washes outside. I bring with me disposables douches. I have a lot of fun slowly inserting it in them in the shower and squeezing the bottle. Half the times this gets it going in the shower.

Quite a few girls use toothpaste to wash their V and use the bidet hose to rinse.I do have a supply of douches that I bring with me (4 4 packs is about all the extra weight I can afford) but I save those for the just after RF.

Normally the feminine wash is all it needs, as if the smell is coming from inside and it is not RF time, I usually bail.

[VicVeg]

I do have a supply of douches that I bring with me (4 4 packs is about all the extra weight I can afford) but I save those for the just after RF.

Normally the feminine wash is all it needs, as if the smell is coming from inside and it is not RF time, I usually bail.You eat pussy after they douche? Can you taste the douche? This is all getting really vile and disgusting. The reason we eat pussy is we are so horny and turned on that we want our face and mouth and tongue in the girls most intimate of areas. And we can turn the girl on so she moans, and gyrates and hopefully orgasms. But few in the PI do. It seems filipino girls are trained culturally to hold back and not orgasm for a stranger. You would think they would as the guy would be more turned on and more likely to tip her or pay to shag her again at a later date.

Anyhow, I have a friend that goes to the PI twice a year that eats ass in the PI. I have done it to very clean 'girl friends' I met off of FC etc, but would NEVER do it to hookers. It is tempting if she is hot as a girls ass is only milimeters from the bottom of her pussy. And if you are eating a chick and she is really into it, then I want to really lick the whole thing top to bottom, and boom, there is her ass all puckered up begging to be kissed.

It is just amazing that my friend eats alot of ass, and rides bareback in the ass on multiple girls and NEVER has caught anything. It reminds me of Ron Jeremy the famous 80's pornstar that fucked thousands in the 70's and 80's, the prime herpes and HIV age, and never caught anything. And he was often banging female pornstars who banged thousands, etc etc. I guess some guys are just plain immune to virus. But Hepetitis is such a hearty virus I have read that it is much more contagious than HIV. Thus I avoid the ass. Unless I am super turned on and her asshole is all puckered up staring at me while I eat her pussy and it is like a mouth talking to me, begging to be licked. I know, gross!

[Fast Eddie 48]

I do have a supply of douches that I bring with me (4 4 packs is about all the extra weight I can afford) but I save those for the just after RF.

Normally the feminine wash is all it needs, as if the smell is coming from inside and it is not RF time, I usually bail.To Transporter.

I never have bad smelly pussy in PI or Thailand but I have my share of bad pussy in China and S Korea, washing and bathing do help sometime but most smell are from inside is mostly poor hygiene.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Nice Guy 99]

Pussy in the PI is better as the girls are usually thinner, and the girl less fucked up. But the girls often don't know how to clean right. I get them in the shower and tell them to soap up their pussy, and often ask to help them. Even after that, it often smells sweaty or fishy. Mr Vic. Sorry but you just don't understand pussy. One of the WORST things you can do is wash with soap. The healthy state of a vagina is highly dependent on the right balance of bacteria and the Ph. Disturbing this balance with soap is disastrous. The vagina should only be washed with clean water. The commercial vaginal douches should also be avoided for the same reasons.

[Nice Guy 99]

Quite a few girls use toothpaste to wash their V and use the bidet hose to rinse.Yes, I've seen them try to do this and always stop them. The abrasive material in toothpaste makes micro cuts inside the vagina and makes her MUCH more susceptible to STDs. Of course I reassure them that I am not the one who would transmit STDs but, because I care about them, I offer this caution.

[Dg8787]

Yes, I've seen them try to do this and always stop them. The abrasive material in toothpaste makes micro cuts inside the vagina and makes her MUCH more susceptible to STDs. Of course I reassure them that I am not the one who would transmit STDs but, because I care about them, I offer this caution.They like the toothpaste with whitening.

[Dg8787]

LOL! I hope someone videos your customs inspection if you get checked!


IMHO, it is the bathroom water cleansing that helps. I have seen many Western porno shots whereby the female actresses have slug stains or skid marks on their underwear. Whether a bikini or sting. Yek! Gag me!

I have done this On a dozen trips. Maybe it appears as baby bottles with long nipples! Most people wouldnt know what it is for. Lot of Pinays have never seen one. My repeats can wait for new ones.

Yuck. Pinays have clean butts.

[Dg8787]

I do have a supply of douches that I bring with me (4 4 packs is about all the extra weight I can afford) but I save those for the just after RF.

Normally the feminine wash is all it needs, as if the smell is coming from inside and it is not RF time, I usually bail.I empty the bottles out before flight to save weight. Once in PH I buy Hydrogen Peroxide (red label) and refill with one ounce HP and the rest water.

[Bushes]

DG,

Some of the douches I have seen have really long nipples! LOL I feel a little inadequate.


I have done this On a dozen trips. Maybe it appears as baby bottles with long nipples! Most people wouldnt know what it is for. Lot of Pinays have never seen one. My repeats can wait for new ones.

Yuck. Pinays have clean butts.Yep. Cleanliness is next to godliness. I have heard the same about douches when everything is fine.


Mr Vic. Sorry but you just don't understand pussy. One of the WORST things you can do is wash with soap. The healthy state of a vagina is highly dependent on the right balance of bacteria and the Ph. Disturbing this balance with soap is disastrous. The vagina should only be washed with clean water. The commercial vaginal douches should also be avoided for the same reasons.

[ILuvBrownGirls]

Now, the plot thickens. When I was in AC, she said she needed extra money to feed her child and buy her diaapers. Now that I am home, she said her son got bit by a rabid cat and needs a rabies shot and wants money. What should I do? Can anyone stop by and see her child's arm to verify there are bite marks? I don't want to send her money if her child truly does not have rabies.

If you can't, then maybe you can stop by her bar and barfine her so she will have money for the rabies shot. I do like her, and because of your advice I now understand that I cannot expect her to stay celibate until I return. So if you promise me to treat her nice I will give you my permission to barfine her, and if she allows you, to shag her. Thank you for your support fellow mongers.You must be new to the PI. Anyway, here is what you do. Ask her where she is specifically, find a clinic nearby on the internet, offer to send the money direct to the clinic. Most businesses in the PI will accept Western Union / Moneygram. Afterwards, post results here Oh, and you probably have to worry less about fellow mongers since she almost surely has a Filipino BF at this moment despite her assurances that she "don't like fill guy".

[Sammon]

To Transporter.

I never have bad smelly pussy in PI or Thailand but I have my share of bad pussy in China and S Korea, washing and bathing do help sometime but most smell are from inside is mostly poor hygiene.

Fast Eddie 48.A clean pussy has neutral smell. Depending on race some pussies has a different smell but any noxious smell is attributed to some infection. Many of the STD will not show outward symptoms in women or men. Assuming bar girls have no std just because the pussy does not have any smell is naive.

[ILuvBrownGirls]

You eat pussy after they douche? Can you taste the douche? This is all getting really vile and disgusting. The reason we eat pussy is we are so horny and turned on that we want our face and mouth and tongue in the girls most intimate of areas. And we can turn the girl on so she moans, and gyrates and hopefully orgasms. But few in the PI do. It seems filipino girls are trained culturally to hold back and not orgasm for a stranger. You would think they would as the guy would be more turned on and more likely to tip her or pay to shag her again at a later date.

Anyhow, I have a friend that goes to the PI twice a year that eats ass in the PI. I have done it to very clean 'girl friends' I met off of FC etc, but would NEVER do it to hookers. It is tempting if she is hot as a girls ass is only milimeters from the bottom of her pussy. And if you are eating a chick and she is really into it, then I want to really lick the whole thing top to bottom, and boom, there is her ass all puckered up begging to be kissed.

It is just amazing that my friend eats alot of ass, and rides bareback in the ass on multiple girls and NEVER has caught anything. It reminds me of Ron Jeremy the famous 80's pornstar that fucked thousands in the 70's and 80's, the prime herpes and HIV age, and never caught anything. And he was often banging female pornstars who banged thousands, etc etc. I guess some guys are just plain immune to virus. But Hepetitis is such a hearty virus I have read that it is much more contagious than HIV. Thus I avoid the ass. Unless I am super turned on and her asshole is all puckered up staring at me while I eat her pussy and it is like a mouth talking to me, begging to be licked. I know, gross!I eat tons of ass in the PI. I am also vaccinated against Hep A and Hep B so I see it as lower risk than eating pussy. I have been able to find doctors that gave me Gardasil as well so I'm about as protected as you can get from eating pussy and ass. I have had giardia a few times but I also eat street food which is just as likely the culprit. Either way, I can't see how I can NOT eat a clean, puckered Pinay butthole when it's in my face.

[VicVeg]

I eat tons of ass in the PI. I am also vaccinated against Hep A and Hep B so I see it as lower risk than eating pussy. I have been able to find doctors that gave me Gardasil as well so I'm about as protected as you can get from eating pussy and ass. I have had giardia a few times but I also eat street food which is just as likely the culprit. Either way, I can't see how I can NOT eat a clean, puckered Pinay butthole when it's in my face.I guess I can understand you Ass Eaters. Myself, I am a titman. I would much rather go to Germany and hit the FKK's as the eastern europeans go there to work and they have bigger tits. Filipinos have be's mostly. Once in a while they might have see cups, but usually are fat to get those see's.

I love to motorboat big boobs. So in general, I am unhappy in the PI. I go there, and not Germany due to locality and price as it is cheaper in the philipines. And the weather is better, and the PI offers the 'sex smourgasbouge' that Germany doesn't. Germany only offers the FKKs and nasty street working girls and gross BJ cinemas. AC offers cute bar girls, cute massage girls, cute free lancers at High Society, and the whole 'surprise pussy' possibility where you end up banging the receptionist at your hotel etc etc. Try getting all that in Germany: NOT!

So if I were an Ass Man, I can see loving to motorboat an asshole. When I see an ass in the PI, I approach it slowly and usually when I get near it, I can start to smell it and get turned off. So I turn them over and put their legs back which is very hot. They usually need direction to hold their legs back so you can eat their pussy with ease. Then, you can access their ass without smelling much more than their pussy. But the chick has to be very hot and I like her etc to lick down there. But like I said, I am not an assman.

When a girl is blowing me and lifts my dick and balls to get down there to lick my ass, I usually stop her. Yes if feels good, but it is pretty gross. I usually lose respect for a girl that I care little about who wants to eat my ass. I wonder if the girls feel the same way about sex-drunk guys they don't care anything about that eat their ass.

[Engine Driver]

I eat tons of ass in the PI. I am also vaccinated against Hep A and Hep B so I see it as lower risk than eating pussy. I have been able to find doctors that gave me Gardasil as well so I'm about as protected as you can get from eating pussy and ass. I have had giardia a few times but I also eat street food which is just as likely the culprit. Either way, I can't see how I can NOT eat a clean, puckered Pinay butthole when it's in my face.In my experience, I have found that Pinays aren't comfortable with any anal play. Either AR or anal intercourse. There are exceptions of course, but most consider their assholes dirty and can't quite believe anyone would want to lick it.

Contrast this with PRC or Thai chicks, who have absolutely no problem with receiving a rim job.

[BaddHabbit]

In my experience, I have found that Pinays aren't comfortable with any anal play. Either AR or anal intercourse. There are exceptions of course, but most consider their assholes dirty and can't quite believe anyone would want to lick it.

Contrast this with PRC or Thai chicks, who have absolutely no problem with receiving a rim job.I don't know, I am 4 for 4 with Pinay in Singapore, including the girlfriend, who was not interested at all at first, and now sends me videos of her playing with toys in her ass, and demands that in each visit (fortunately not specifically each day!) I ensure I have dumped a load in mouth, pussy, and ass.

Maybe it's the environment?