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I think we all want the same thing, important information where we can find it.
As it is now the AC Forum is a mess and I know you think it's reasonable for an experienced guy like me to have to look back at 6 months of posts to find what's going on in AC now.Like I said before, you don't have to go back 6 months if you read the forum on a regular basis and make notes. Let's say at least one time a week.
Nevertheless I agree with you that there's too much off topic junk sometimes. But I think 'mess' is a too strong word.
Thank you very much Mr. E. Very helpful.
I am still contemplating if AC is still worth it as it not the same how it was when I last visited 6 to 8 years ago.
But having said that it still is far better than any of the other usual areas around the region. The main issue I have is what do I do when I am not having s $x. There is absolutely nothing else going on other than find your next pipe to pound.
G.
Actually there has been plenty written on Aqua. Instead of going back pages, try using the search function. That being said, I never got a chance to write up my report from January on the place, so this is for you Gunners.
Me and a Tinder chick that works at a call center went up to Aqua late one afternoon. ABC, top floor I think it was. There was a round desk with a turnstyle on one side. If I remember correctly, the cashier put writstbands on us, oh yeah, with a number that everything is charged to. The girl got in free but I had to pay 500 pesos. In the end 500 was subtracted from the bill for consumables though.
We sat at the bar. First we tried to sit on some couches though and were told that you have to spend at least 4000 to sit there. I think it was 8000 for the cabanas. There were guys in one cabana with some rent-a-chicks. It seemed to be someone's birthday because they had a big ass sheet cake and stuff. Some of the dudes and chicks would go to the pool to swim at times. There was also a live DJ.
Night rolled in and with it came a chick that appeared to be someone. I figured she was either the owner or the owner's daughter. She was pretty elegant and her presence commanded respect. Her clothes, shoes, and bag were definitely neither cheap nor knockoffs. She was tall and sexy but had a big ass Wicked Witch of the West nose. Seriously, I have never seen a chick like this in AC. She told the bartender what she wanted to drink. He mixed it in a blender and gave it to her without ringing anything up. Then she would go around just checking stuff out. Everybody would smile and greet her.
Me and my girl left after having 2 drinks each. The bill when we got back to the big round desk ended up being 600 pesos. I didn't see any chicks to pick up in there. The time that we were there a couple more mixed groups (middle class Filipino men and women) came in and sat on the sofas and ordered stuff. Other than that it seemed to be just guys that were staying at the hotel.
This forum is all about AC pussy. Vaginas. Poon. How, when, where and how much?
Reports on actual experiences is where it is at.This is a utopia. People will always respond in many ways to the reports and digress to (or have questions about) related topics like food, transportation, hotels, Viagra, safety, scams, the filipina mind, comparisons between AC and other destinations in SE Asia, etcetera etcetera.
And of course the usual BS from some trolls, flame wars, safe sex discussions and really off topic stuff.
There's no way you can achieve a totally 'clean' forum. It would mean a lot of work for the moderators and in the end the forum will die because it's no fun anymore when everyting is being restricted and when separate threads for all those topics, that are often much related, are strictly enforced.
This is a utopia. People will always respond in many ways to the reports and digress to (or have questions about) related topics like food, transportation, hotels, Viagra, safety, scams, the filipina mind, comparisons between AC and other destinations in SE Asia, etcetera etcetera.
And of course the usual BS from some trolls, flame wars, safe sex discussions and really off topic stuff.
There's no way you can achieve a totally 'clean' forum. It would mean a lot of work for the moderators and in the end the forum will die because it's no fun anymore when everyting is being restricted and when separate threads for all those topics, that are often much related, are strictly enforced.Related topics like transport, hotels and food are fine.
Just seems more like to stroke their pen ego than to get their penis stroked.
I haven't actually been to subic but it's a downgrade from what I was aiming for. I was planning on renting a car and going to Baler but my choice resort is fully booked.
Any other quality beaches with luxury resorts worth the distance from Angeles?
Thanks.I like these days the beach at barrio barretto.
I return 2 times a year.
Locals shout "Batangas beach".
Googling that I end always at Nasugbu beach with only karaoke and kind of beerbars.
The beach looks nice on pics.
At my one and only boaring night at Batangas city close to the central busterminal (about 1 km to the west at an SM hypermarket).
Tryke divers took me 30 km! To the west to a few pinoy bikini bars in Lemery. Near Dream wave hotel.
I was to drunk to remember details. But there is a beach there are resorts and there are pinoy bikini bars.
Yes than you have IBA in Zambales (just karaoke bargirls) has resorts but and beach looked good (but nobody on it, low key resorts).
And ofcoarse San Fernando in La union with these days overpriced resorts cause locals seem to have money these days.
Don't book by telephone or internet chat there.
Cause they prefer to give their family the room if you don't confirm manny manny times.
I got stuck last April in angeles cause I booked a room 3 weeks ahead in La Union, called 3 days before from angeles, and no room annymore cause I did not reconfirm haha.
So book agoda and just pay the 60 dollar.
I was there 3 years ago last time.
So I can only tell the beach looks nice near the western bars.
The bars western bars closed at 10 pm.
Its just so hard / far away to travel to the pinoy bars.
And when I arrived back at 3 am the gate of my hotel was closed even when I informed I did hit the bars.
So my conclusion was that the place is for older white who stay there longer and sleep at 10 pm.
And locals. (pinoy).
BTW 6 hours with bus /4 hours with minivan from angeles to the north near Baguio.
GuyLuvsParty
08-26-18, 04:11
Yesterday on Saturday around 19:00, from hear say owner, mamasan, girls taken away, as of Sunday still closed.
GuyLuvsParty
08-26-18, 05:06
Thank you very much Mr. E. Very helpful.
I am still contemplating if AC is still worth it as it not the same how it was when I last visited 6 to 8 years ago.
But having said that it still is far better than any of the other usual areas around the region. The main issue I have is what do I do when I am not having s $x. There is absolutely nothing else going on other than find your next pipe to pound.
G.Try Cambodia, the country has both worlds for you, historical sites and maybe not as developed as AC, it's a fun place visit.
Michelangelo
08-26-18, 12:37
My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!
I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked.
My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.
SouthEaster
08-26-18, 13:46
So Michelangelo, where next? Every venue is disappointing compared to the past. Do you have a nirvana or just hopping around hoping the next place is better?
SE.
GuyLuvsParty
08-26-18, 18:55
My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!
I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked.
My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.Nice write up and report, thanks!
Perimeter area, the only nice ones are cherry girls LOL.
The best girls aren't at the bars anymore. They don't need to be. Times are changing, but it is what it is.
They can cut out the middle man and more money freelancing online (FB, IG, Tinder, Tagged etc), or in the clubs (HiSo, Mega). When you also factor in the fact that bars can't directly recruit from the province anymore (trafficking laws), you realise the current bar system in AC is completely outdated and in need of a revamp.
My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!.1. It must have been really special to find AC in 2004. You are one of the lucky ones. My first year in 2010 it was still pretty wild but soon changed in 2012 w / numerous bar raids. My whole life would be completely different (now) had I gone in 04. I'm happy w / my life as it is so I'm glad I started when I did.
2. Yes, the Ks have become a dominate force in AC as both customers and bar owners. W / out their presence (in AC) the town / P4P scene would be on life support. It's a 2 sided coin. I like the K bars and for the most part the talent is a notch better.
3. Crystal Palace, the Dollhouse and Atlantis are all at their lowest point since I started going imo. My favorite show bar now is Club X.
4. I've always been a fan of the Perimeter bars and in the past I would agree w / your assessment but on my last trip there were about 3 or 4 bars that had exceptional talent. Ponytails used to be a mainstay in my bar rotation but on my last visit a month ago talent wasn't inspiring. One or two stood out (killer bodies) but were disinterested in the audience. So maybe I was lucky on the Perimeter and unlucky at Ponytails as our opinions are the opposite. To each his own comes into play as well.
5. Someday I'll say my final goodbyes to AC but I hope that's a long time from now. There's no place like AC and I won't go into too many details why I think this. I'll mention one. The show bars w / choreographed dancers that get paid double the BG rate (by these show bars) because they spend their afternoons memorizing hundreds of dance moves, the bar opens, show at 8 pm. That would be Club X. On my last visit they had fire dancers dressed in leopard tights twirling torches. Damn good show AND w extras. What town can I find this kind of show and then be able to take one of the dancers out to dinner and fun? I'l like to know.
Thanks for your insights and report.
The best girls aren't at the bars anymore. They don't need to be. Times are changing, but it is what it is.
They can cut out the middle man and more money .....................Correct and what I have been saying in recent years. Dating Sites, and attractive girls preferring to be pounded by Sugar Daddy Sponsors, in Compound Estates, is the go now.
Under 50's "Walking Penises" , plus overweight over 50's, are still trying to procure attractive ones via the outdated and crude bar scene.
So, don't look for AC bar scene to improve any time soon. Innovate or perish, lads. I began innovating about 5/7 yrs ago, LOL. Find a new m. O. That suits you.
Note: Newbies will think AC is great, because they have not seen better, lets say 10 yrs and more ago.
So, don't look for AC bar scene to improve any time soon. Innovate or perish, lads. I began innovating about 5/7 yrs ago, LOL. Find a new m. O. That suits you..Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.
Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.
Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.
You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.
But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.
Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.
Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.
Mr Enternational
08-28-18, 02:48
Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her.You are right. And I told a chick in Pattaya just that yesterday. She was trying to get me to commit to short time or long time and a fee, but I told her that I needed to see her in person first. That is one huge disadvantage of the new way of doing things.
On the flip side, you cover more ground in less time and there are a lot of free chicks mixed in. Last night about 11pm I met a chick on Tinder that works at the cable company here in Pattaya. She came right over. I was so tired that I fell right asleep. This morning as soon as I stirred, her head went right under the covers and to my dick. It was like she had been waiting for it all night. She just left headed to work.
Chocha Monger
08-28-18, 15:50
Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.
Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.
You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.
But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.
Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.
Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!
It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.
Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.
Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!
It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.
Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.Those are good points, but if an old monger can figure out a way to post on this forum and upload pictures, then they can also figure out the online P4 P scene.
Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.
You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2 k pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2 k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.
The sheer number and variety of girls online alone far surpasses anything the bars have to offer. Sure there are WU scams, LB scams and other scams you'll have to navigate through when traveling through FB and the dating sites. That is the importance of forums like this, where fellow mongerers can exchange experiences and advice on how to get yourself the best possible experience.
I still like the bars, nice to talk to girls, get some groping action for a drink or two, but I rarely barfine these days. Maybe if the bars can innovate (as mentioned earlier) and find a way to improve their lineups and services, people like myself would start spending there again.
If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.
"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.
Monger on!
If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.
Monger on!I've never been scammed but I have paid my share of Low IQ Tax.
Every time I've lost something I've made it incredibly easy and tempting and not taken the most basic of security precautions.
Funnily enough, they have also happened after incredible night or even week sessions so in the end the loss was just a unintended way of tipping for excellent service.
If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.
Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).
I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).
Eventually we leave and hit Club X and order drinks. Our waitress has a very sexy outfit on and she looks pretty damn good. I tell my viking BF and she says, "buy her a drink, buy her a drink". The alcohol is starting to give me momentum and I say okay. The waitress sits w us and I like her, the viking BG likes her too. I buy a few rounds of tequila and of course I soon have 2 BFs in tow. (I did ask the Club X waitress to bring her outfit and she did).
A few more bars and we hit the room. Right away I tried to instigate the action but the Viking BG soon starts muttering things about taking a shower. I say go take a shower. I do the wild thing w the waitress and just finish when the viking BG comes out of shower. I say, okay honey get over here and lets have some fun. She mentions that she still needed to shower. I said you just did. She says but I need a shower.
Now I'm thinking she's a nut or she's having some kind of mental attack. I tell her she doesn't make any sense and so does the waitress. No matter, she says it's the shower. I say, what shower? She says, I need a shower. Some back and forth about the shower and this is when I gave up. I was tired and it was 2 am so I told her I was going to go back to her bar the next day to get a refund on her BF. She gets indignant and says very loud, LETS go now!
Well, okay then, lets go to your bar now, good idea. So the 3 of us are walking back to Vikings at 2:20 am. There is seating in front of this bar and it was packed w / their dancers and bar workers.
So I talked w / the mama and waited inside for 20 minutes while the mama talked to my (failed) BF outside. I get tired of waiting and go outside only to be ushered back inside the empty bar. Another 20 minutes went by, the mama was very upset but gave my BF money back due to this non performer.
At first when this BG started the issue about the mystical shower I thought she was damaged goods but no, she was very calculating. I surmised this little scammer wanted a bar fine but did not want to perform. Before she secures the bar fine she mentions, "I like to lick pussy". Soon after she is directing me to buy a drink for a waitress I think is cute which I do. She is leading me in her direction all the way to substitute the waitress for her. The viking BG is thinking the other waitress will take care of me (while she's in the shower) and she (the viking BG) will have an easy night. She can babble some mumbo jumbo and then she walks, no pussy grinding by some stranger.
I can't remember now when it all made sense to me. I think it was when we were walking to the viking club for my refund. I told the mama what I just wrote here and the mama was pissed and had my 3 K notes crumbled tightly in her fist. Eventually she opened her hand and gave me the refund. I caught the BG in her scam. I was happy about that but still it was a pain to go through.
The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.
Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!
Mr Enternational
08-29-18, 05:39
Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything. When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.
Mr Enternational
08-29-18, 05:43
"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about!
Mr Enternational
08-29-18, 05:54
Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.
You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2K pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.
Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.
Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.
Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.
Mr Enternational
08-29-18, 08:17
You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.
Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.I am not on any terms with anyone. Most guys just go along with the way they are told and so that is why my experience may not relate to most. I tend to make my own way and not go along with the status quo. All it takes is a few words, "I pay after," to be different than the 95%.
My vote is for DIA, because I joined it initially expecting women fromall over Asia then discovered it is overwhelmingly Pinay. A lot of the girls onky have access an hour or so a day and quickly want to move to Skype, but I met one gal there with whom I had a six month thing.
All the popular sites are OK and each has it's pluses and minuses. Often you will find same girls on more than one site.
Pinalove would be my suggestion, just start a week or so before you get here and make contacts, pay for an account so you are not flagged as a cheap charlie and can send unlimited messages.
I have also gad good luck on Tinder recently.
SA is costly to use and not as many escorts for the night but girls looking for4 long term arrangements.
Completely different reviews by two guys who both seem to have tons of experience in Angeles City. Not only that but they might have even crossed paths during the creation of their completely different reviews. I left Sockers' comments about Makati in the quote since I believe it reflects on his view of AC. I took the liberty to condense the breaks in their posts to lessen the impact of two huge quotes to the page. I also edited out sockers photo comment.
Cheers to all good hearted mongers. Home now. *I'm on my some-tenth trip booked for 3 weeks cut down to 2 and a day due to technical difficulties. *what I've found out about the current state of the Makati and ac scenes. My info on Makati where I spent my first 3 days 2 weeks ago is limited but I did manage to bar hop a little during the day. *tickles and bourbon had little to offer at happy hour, *2,100 BF cost. *I met a skinny cutie at tickles and eventually exercised w / her later in the day. Before I took her I went to bourbon and then rogues. *rogues has moved across the street and is less designed for dancer maulings but the girls can still apply their hard sell any where they want. And they did! Their day talent had some goodies and the rogue BF was 1,600 so that was attractive. Stupid me promised the tickle's dancer I would return which I did. *in both bars I asked the BGs if they would go for 2 K tip and it was a happy yes. For a decent Burgos BG 3,600 (all in) is pretty good. The night before my buddy and I went to the cafe Havana hunting (or prey) for FLs. The one I picked turned out to be a dud at 3 k. My buddy found himself in a nice session, *not me. *my dud left me unfinished (midnight) so I went out for a Burgos FL and found 2 bottom fish ready for a stereo BJ which got to to bed w a smile.
AC, perimeter. Got there 18 days ago and saved a lot of money by staying in my room every other night. *I also saved because of the perimeter pricing. *the perimeter bars were between 1,800 and 2,500 and the talent was in every price range. *I didn't have to spend 2,500 to get something special which is like the old AC. I made sure to go to bars I never used to hit so I found Det5 to be very good, *I think lips was another bar (4 bars away from master Poseidon) that had talent overflowing. I found a gem at Rio but stopped at bar around the corner for 10 minutes then returned to Rio and she was gone. *that I'll regret until I forget about it in a years time, maybe never. Stopped in ice bar and the platinum bar but they're not what they once were, ice bar has the edge here. Ponytails was also less than my last visit in January. Emotions wasokay w a nice sexy big tits waitress. I'll remember her. *I went back for her a couple of times but timing was bad. *she was dripping w sex appeal. bar fine 2 k I think. In most bars they had single and double LDs, 160/300 p. They're were other good bars on the perimeter but memory is doing the best it can right now. I pulled maybe 4 or 5 from the perimeter in my 10 days. If I were my old self it would have easily been closer to 15. Plenty of talent here.
Fields. I went to all my faves, Arcadia (1 pull 2 times), *club ra, *lollipops, *vikings (2 pulls), *club x, *and then the smaller bars which seemed to be more lively than in the past, I'm thinking la bamba. I liked la bamba and the margaritas were surprisingly good. The margarita high is my favorite of all liquors and drinks. A lot of nice dark ones here as was rapsody. I went to others but now forget. Arcadia was easily the bar w the most talent. I wish I were 100%. *so many I liked. I ended up BFing a special (brand new) Cebuana from Arcadia. Twice! Half the bars I went to collected bar fines the old way, half the new way (intentionally vague). The name your price, "subic method" was in play at very few bars and there was no gouging by the BGs as there was on my last subic visit. The BGs I asked "how much" always quoted a normal field's BF price. Fields is still at 3 k every where I went, some at 2,500. Drinks were also the same as last year which is great. My assessment for the casual tourist like myself (locals already know I think) on the state of things in AC is this. Everything is the same except the BGs are slightly more business oriented. Slightly is the key word in this opinion. They are not as cuddly as they used to be but still far more than their Thailand cousins.
Another big change imv is the talent. Usually the best talent (IMO) is in Makati but I've noticed over my last couple of trips that's reversing and AC as the better lookers. Granted I've been in Makati a total of 4 full days and only managed a few bars. *I haven't been to kojaxes yet which is the epicenter of lookers imv. Bottoms I have been in and it's not what it used to be. Bottoms hh price is 2,100 too and I'm sure the BG will go for 2 K and their talent tops rogues. *I will try for bottoms in a couple of hours body willing.
My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year. Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did. Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money. Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others! I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked. My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.
Chocha Monger
08-29-18, 18:27
Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything.Exactly! Many fellas are overconfident in their ability to differentiate a real pussy from a fake pussy over webcam. 'She' showed him 'her pussy' all right, but it was not an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) part. LOL! Gender ambiguous ladies are also ready for the 'show-me-your-tits' guys, and can show them marvelous boobs that have better aesthetics than genuine OEM boobs.
The eyes are not as reliable as many fellas think. Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses.
Much like magicians, non-OEM girls rely on the notorious unreliability of the eyes to perform very convincing illusions that leave many mongers swearing that 'she' has marvelous tits and pussy. They never consider that their eyes and minds may be playing tricks on them. Some of them even fuck their online conquests without ever realizing she is a he, until someone else points it out or their lover confesses after the monger declares that it was the best pussy he ever had and wants to get married. LOL!
Another problem with the 'show-me-your-pussy' test on webcam besides its unreliability is that it may offend the young attractive non-pro girls. The higher quality non-pro girls are choosy about which mongers they meet and some geezer demanding to see their tits and pussy on webcam comes across as a pervert looking for cheap thrills.
There are tens of thousands of guys like that online and they annoy the girls with their voyeuristic demands. Going that route is likely to result in attractive non-pros blocking the mongers who request such 'proof of gender' and / or, in the case of DIA, reporting the mongers as perverts, and having them kicked off the DIA website for violating the terms of service. LOL!
When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.There are some amazing cases of expats living with and banging girls for years before learning that their darling is a dude. The transient internet dating site monger is even less likely to detect anything out of the ordinary because he is horny, pressed for time, and in holiday drinking mode. They often report that the chick gives phenomenal BBBJs, prostate massages, and loves licking their bootyhole. However, they never question why. LOL!
You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.
Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).
I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).
The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.
Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.
Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.
Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately.
Two girls in LAC tried the threesome up sell on me, failed the test. Two shooterz girls tried the same (this time they simultaneously grinded on me, kissed me, played with my nipples and dick, both were topless), but still failed the test because they never played with each other. Two bamboo girls did pass the test, they won the grand prize, as did two HiSo girls.
Good luck if and when you try this.
Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.
Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.
Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.
Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately.
Two girls in LAC tried the threesome up sell on me, failed the test. Two shooterz girls tried the same (this time they simultaneously grinded on me, kissed me, played with my nipples and dick, both were topless), but still failed the test because they never played with each other. Two bamboo girls did pass the test, they won the grand prize, as did two HiSo girls.
Good luck if and when you try this.Seems you have a similar MO to me when negotiating. The more they give the more they get.
In other parts of the world I use this too. If they won't come to the party in the bar or club then they are not coming home with me.
Chocha Monger
08-30-18, 03:00
LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about!Once he is solo with his catch in close quarters, only two choices remain. He can choose to do it the hard way or the easy way, but his catch will not be leaving without some compensation. It is up to him whether he will reach for his wallet or the Vaseline, maybe even both. LOL! One thing is certain; he will not be able to throw his catch back without giving up something.
Cut and run only works when the monger figures out what he has on the line or in the net before he lands it and has his gaff in hand. If his gaff is in the jaws of his catch, the poor fella has already switched places in food chain. LOL! He will need to be very generous in negotiating himself out of such an untenable position.
Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.
Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.
Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.
Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately..But what are they drinking while you put them through this lengthy test? They're not going to stay at your table unless you buy them at least one drink. Your waitress or the mama will police them in most cases.
Another scam that can be very effective is the crying scam. They only pull this on nice guys w / heart so a few guys here will never have to deal with it, happened to me in Subic 2 years ago.
The bar fine was a super fine spinner and she pulled the crying scam on me. We were getting ready for bed and she starts with the brutal bar sob story. She sleeps on the dirty hard floor (in the back of the bar) and has to pay a high rent to do this. The boss makes her work everyday, etc etc.
So after a few drinks we're sitting on the bed and I'm listening her nightmare story and it just took the wind out of my sails as it was meant to do. Soon she was lying under the covers crying and I soon let her go after trying to lift her spirits for 30 minutes. Then I turn out the lights and a few minutes later I say, "wait a minute"!
Why would she bar fine if she was that distraught? I thought more about in the dark and knew I was played. I got up and went to her bar and she was there. I told her your story doesn't fly and I want my bar fine money back. She wasn't distraught back in the bar. She said, okay, okay, I'll bring it to your hotel in the morning. Next morning she showed up with a big butch pinay and she looked incredibly good (summer dress). She walked over to where I was sitting (in front of hotel) and handed me the refund. I think I offered her to keep it if she came to my room but she was not interested. Fine. Another lesson learned.
Many scams out there. Actually the bars scam their customers out of full shot (tequila) thousands of times each day in the PI. I always make sure I get a full shot. In Club X I have them pour it at the table. That's the easiest way.
I appreciate your feed back. I think your bar fine mo is solid. I'll remember it. Threesomes are problematic.
Wicked Roger
08-31-18, 00:24
Once he is solo with his catch in close quarters, only two choices remain. He can choose to do it the hard way or the easy way, but his catch will not be leaving without some compensation. It is up to him whether he will reach for his wallet or the Vaseline, maybe even both. LOL! One thing is certain; he will not be able to throw his catch back without giving up something..There was a monger on the board a few years go who described this. He found out it was a LB only once clothes off and pecker was hard. So he wrote that it was 'in for a penny on for a pound' and 'well it is a hole' and did the latter CM. Not surprisingly he was banned or the post redacted soon after but nor before there was a flurry of replies (as he did describe the incident in great detail also LOL).
In Cebu I have seen some very naive American guy wait for and leave with a LB only to come back 10 minutes later tail between his legs and likely poorer. He was lucky as clearly realised his companion was a LB before the clothes fell off LOL. Happen many times and is amusing to watch but never to experience LOL.
Blanquiceleste
09-02-18, 16:36
I spent 5 nights in AC last month. Stayed at Lewis Grand. The hotel continues to impress me, although there were a few small gaffes with the service quality this time.
Over the 5 days I walked into almost every single bar on Fields. Also that stretch from Angelwitch all the way to Midnight Cruiser. They Ponytails to Emotions and all the bars in between. And the rash of bars from Platinum (ex Firepit) to Night Moves. I must say Midnight Cruiser had some very good looking girls and is a tightly run ship. Aussie owner. Gregarious guy.
Barfined LT girls from Viking, Club Ra, Salambo and Brown Sugar. The girl from Club Ra turned out to be a runner, but the rest were all true LT, leaving only when I asked them to leave. Tipped all girls 100 - 200 depending on level of service provided, along with a mandatory Toblerone bar. Barfines set at 3000 - 3500 in bars on Fields.
Also during the day I barfined girls from Night Moves (Perimeter Road) and Ponytails. Barfines at Ponytails is 2500. Other Perimeter bars are 1700 - 2000.
Memorable lunch at a Thai restaurant called Patchawaran on Malabanas Road. Other days, I got some grilled chicken from the little shop right outside the Jeepney Terminal. On Fields. Also, the room service at Lewis Grand is pretty good, and they are on 24 hours.
People who say AC is dead might have that opinion as long term residents (more that 2 months at a time) or as frequent visitors (4 visits a year or more). No judgment on that. For folks like me there is plenty to be pleased about as long as you are willing to spend money.
Member #4698
09-02-18, 18:12
I spent 5 nights in AC last month. Stayed at Lewis Grand. The hotel continues to impress me, although there were a few small gaffes with the service quality this time.
Over the 5 days I walked into almost every single bar on Fields. Also that stretch from Angelwitch all the way to Midnight Cruiser. They Ponytails to Emotions and all the bars in between. And the rash of bars from Platinum (ex Firepit) to Night Moves. I must say Midnight Cruiser had some very good looking girls and is a tightly run ship. Aussie owner. Gregarious guy.
Barfined LT girls from Viking, Club Ra, Salambo and Brown Sugar. The girl from Club Ra turned out to be a runner, but the rest were all true LT, leaving only when I asked them to leave. Tipped all girls 100 - 200 depending on level of service provided, along with a mandatory Toblerone bar. Barfines set at 3000 - 3500 in bars on Fields.
Also during the day I barfined girls from Night Moves (Perimeter Road) and Ponytails. Barfines at Ponytails is 2500. Other Perimeter bars are 1700 - 2000.
Memorable lunch at a Thai restaurant called Patchawaran on Malabanas Road. Other days, I got some grilled chicken from the little shop right outside the Jeepney Terminal. On Fields. Also, the room service at Lewis Grand is pretty good, and they are on 24 hours.
People who say AC is dead might have that opinion as long term residents (more that 2 months at a time) or as frequent visitors (4 visits a year or more). No judgment on that. For folks like me there is plenty to be pleased about as long as you are willing to spend money.Great report Blanquiceleste. As Mark Twain once remarked about his own life, "Reports of my (or AC's) death are greatly exaggerated. " Perhaps what prompts the negative response from many BM's is the fact that for whatever reason prices are no longer dirt cheap as compared with other Asian watering holes and LT is no longer the default. All I can say is things change.
But it sounds like you had a real good time with some attractive girls and that is what counts. I will save a few of your bar recommendations in my notes file for a future visit, but I first have to tear myself away from MNL. 555. I love the big city girls.
William7011
09-02-18, 21:33
Returned a few days ago from 5 days and nights in AC.
Over all a very good time. As was posted earlier today, Night Moves on Perimeter was well stocked and certainly worth the afternoon. Next door over at Det5 was very good also with lots of girls. Mostly 5's and 6's with a few nicer girls sprinkled in. Bar fining is really easy at both with no hassle. Pony Tails had some lookers but most of the girls spend so much time staring into the mirrors they forget the customers so it got pretty boring. A lot of the Perimeter bars have a much better set up where one can more easily engage the girls up close. A few bars were had truly horrible talent. Drill shack and Angel Witch for example. Walking street does seem to have moved even more Korean but that trend won't change anytime soon. But tons of options but few stunners. Does seem there was a lack of customers in AC last week but there was a lot of rain also. ABC Hotel was as good as always. Russian dancers at Aqua were pretty darn outstanding, but were untouchable. I tried and failed, but the efforts were entertaining.
There are still lots of bar fines of less than 2,000 pesos to be had, which is still pretty economical. Found a couple of do-able girls for 1700 pesos, which means she only get about $17 US after splitting with the house. Also paid up to $3500 off Perimeter. Over all was good time and I will go again next time I have the chance. The demise of AC often discussed here is overstated in my opinion. I am sure AC is different compared to 10 years ago. But, the only constant is change and AC is not immune.
While I realize AC is very different compared to 10 and 20 years ago, I don't think the changes over the past five years have been too significant. Maybe more Korean, but there is still plenty of variety for the non-Asian crowd.
Blanquiceleste
09-03-18, 00:34
Great report Blanquiceleste. As Mark Twain once remarked about his own life, "Reports of my (or AC's) death are greatly exaggerated. " Perhaps what prompts the negative response from many BM's is the fact that for whatever reason prices are no longer dirt cheap as compared with other Asian watering holes and LT is no longer the default. All I can say is things change.
But it sounds like you had a real good time with some attractive girls and that is what counts. I will save a few of your bar recommendations in my notes file for a future visit, but I first have to tear myself away from MNL. 555. I love the big city girls.Thanks Natty. You are right. The days when hot girls would suck shriveled cocks all night for 1000 pesos are long gone. But if you have the dough and are willing to spend, you can get a good experience. Plenty of hot chicks around.
On two nights when I went to Atlantis (I already had my BF with me by then) there were easily more than a 100 girls there and without any doubt at least 20% were doable. No beer goggles. I bought the mamasan a drink and she was happily willing to introduce a few to me. I politely declined as I already had my girl with me. Mamasan then spoke to my girl in Bisaya and the two suggested a menage a trois. I was tempted a wee bit but then declined again. Good decision. The girl I had gave it her all back in the room.
Yes the days of;.
P1000 bar fine.
$5. 00 per hour pay.
$0. 50 for a loaf of bread.
25 pesos to $1. 00.
Are all gone!
The really sad part is that I got more money than the ability to cream pie on a daily basis!
BrainDrain
09-03-18, 22:58
There really is something for everyone in AC. It breaks my heart to leave this place knowing that there are so many filipina that I didn't meet yet. There is always a last minute rush to get the final pop.
In two weeks I did not pay any barfine yet I had a range of different girls over the period. Speaking of periods this trip was celebrated without any blood. That's a change.
Highlight for the trip was certainly a hotel OJT. She's a bit older than other OJT, no kids. The benefits to her body, stomach and boobs are just amazing when compared to the regular run of single moms that ply our beds. I really want to make no kids a standard but that will limit opportunity. Her texts offering to "see me before school" and arriving in fresh uniform did play on my mind so much. She is 29 years old, yet the colleges still make them wear uniform. Anyway, the early morning visits form her were good.
It was also interesting to hear that she had worked in Singapore bar scene in her early 20's. I assume she learned most of her skills there. A punter took her out of the scene at 22 years of age and kept her as GF for 6 years before setting her up in school and leaving. Big thank you to that guy.
I also took this trip to finish up with my 22 year old university student whom has been a regular visitor for 2 years. She has become more demanding over the last few months. I don't need those demands. She's a real beauty that I just cannot afford anymore. She's back on the dating sites.
Other highlight that I could not get to consummate was a 24 mom from Malbalacat. Met her one evening with her friend. Could not shake the friend. That is one for opening night for my next trip.
I do have an older waitress friend that works at one of the bars. I haven't ever officially barfined her but have met her on her off days. I really feel sad for her and her future life. What to do at 40 after working AC & European bars for 22 years. No formal qualification. A string of global contacts of married middle aged men who cannot take her home to their country. She's a good woman. The Philippines has millions of these available for lonely hearts.
As always cannot wait to get back here again.
BD.
There was a monger on the board a few years go who described this. He found out it was a LB only once clothes off and pecker was hard. So he wrote that it was 'in for a penny on for a pound' and 'well it is a hole' and did the latter CM. Not surprisingly he was banned or the post redacted soon after but nor before there was a flurry of replies (as he did describe the incident in great detail also LOL)..The LB around Phillies and Envy corner have certainly improved their game.
BrainDrain
09-04-18, 08:18
This is why I am considering taking sand to the beach on my next visit to AC. Why go to AC? I like the festival atmosphere, do not feel foreigner, can dance the night away with my grand daughters without blinking an eye, can live my younger days etc. Only pussy costs more but not the hotel, food, entertainment. I love the legitimate massage parlors run by Koreans who do a nice job cheap and clean.
Twice I've imported girls into AC, one from Cebu, one from Mindanao. Both have been good company. In both cases I was keen for them to leave. Sure we go out together and it's nice having stable company. But the ambition to try some of those other beauties keeps growing while they are there. After a few days I've spied a new piece of talent I want to try and the live in BYO is a hindrance.
You will be surprised the opportunities that open up for a good faithful BF like you. The AC filipina see lots of butterflies in town and you with your girl will be an attractive catch for a local girl tired of the butterflies.
Maybe give yourself a day or so to remain in AC after you leave.
BD.
Are you certain rich men do not go to AC to get laid? At the time I was in AC (around mid-August), ABC Hotel was full and LGH had just a few smoking rooms left. Now surely, these rooms are not being occupied by pensioners, are they?
Also, we often talk about the 333 brigade throwing money around. FYI I noticed there were quite a few westerners too who participated in the mindless act of "making it rain" at clubs like Atlantis, Ra and even Lancelot. Hell, there were some 60+ westerners doing the rain thing at a Perimeter bar like Det5. Imagine.
BTW the new Lancelot absolutely sucks. The format, the decor, the girls, the manager. Depressing.LOL. CM is in the back corner of the bars checking out who is rich and who is not. CM is everywhere except still haven't heard if he got any pussy yet. One time in the Penthouse Hotel room, while I was banging a girl, I thought someone was hiding behind the full length black out curtain. Maybe it was CM taking a survey.
CM seems to be everywhere making observations.
Wicked Roger
09-05-18, 06:51
Twice I've imported girls into AC, one from Cebu, one from Mindanao. Both have been good company. In both cases I was keen for them to leave. Sure we go out together and it's nice having stable company. But the ambition to try some of those other beauties keeps growing while they are there. After a few days I've spied a new piece of talent I want to try and the live in BYO is a hindrance.
You will be surprised the opportunities that open up for a good faithful BF like you. The AC filipina see lots of butterflies in town and you with your girl will be an attractive catch for a local girl tired of the butterflies.
Maybe give yourself a day or so to remain in AC after you leave.
BD.True observation. I have taken to AC before and before her arrival was seeing another lady and while my import was there she got on stage and was naked with a mates wife. All good fun and no one complained. But as you know BD I rarely go to AC as I think it is soulless and only or parties like that and more.
Are you certain rich men do not go to AC to get laid?Whose definition of "rich" are we using?
Mongers would look at how much another guy HAS: nice car, house, income, bank account etc.
Girls look for how much a guy is SPENDING and do not care about the above definition.
That's why there are so many guys in AC who are "rich" for two weeks and why they are so popular.
LOL. CM is in the back corner of the bars checking out who is rich and who is not. CM is everywhere except still haven't heard if he got any pussy yet. One time in the Penthouse Hotel room, while I was banging a girl, I thought someone was hiding behind the full length black out curtain. Maybe it was CM taking a survey.
CM seems to be everywhere making observations.As long as he wiped off the back of the curtain when he was finished his solitary "observations" I guess no harm done.
LOL. CM is in the back corner of the bars checking out who is rich and who is not. CM is everywhere except still haven't heard if he got any pussy yet. One time in the Penthouse Hotel room, while I was banging a girl, I thought someone was hiding behind the full length black out curtain. Maybe it was CM taking a survey.
CM seems to be everywhere making observations.Yes, he's Liz Smith, Dear Abby, and Rex Reed rolled into one with a constant negative bent.
Guys here love him though. That says something too.
Soapy Smith
09-06-18, 22:31
Yes, he's Liz Smith, Dear Abby, and Rex Reed rolled into one with a constant negative bent.These are good ideas, but I always thought he was closer to Alex Jones.
https://www.infowars.com/
I have to admit I like CM's posts because they are chocked with well written humor and solid research. As for his negativity, I'll leave that to the armchair shrinks on here. Keep on keeping on, Chocha Monger, and try to get laid once in a while to sweeten up that sour disposition!Too gratuitous for me. It's his whole life to post here. Editorials belong in the General Forum. There he can post about the "shriveled up old guys" and the other "stupid mongers" and to his heart's content. He goes after everybody but himself with his snide "glass half empty" editorials. I can do without them. He has never offered TRs and / or pics. It's always negative. But whatever floats the boats here is okay by me but I think he does harm to the scene.
Because this is the AC Forum a few pics from the AC last trip. The street and the room w / one gem. Not easy loading pics the right size.
Another attempt to upload them.
All AC including Angel's Bakery near the ABC Hotel which is very good withh Filipino prices. Screw Starbucks.
Whose definition of "rich" are we using?
Mongers would look at how much another guy HAS: nice car, house, income, bank account etc.
Girls look for how much a guy is SPENDING and do not care about the above definition.
That's why there are so many guys in AC who are "rich" for two weeks and why they are so popular.Haha.
Real rich man don't let others know they are rich.
Maybe the house at home yes.
And they let a girl fly in from a village to Angeles to have fun from the moment they arrive.
BTW, being rich is being able to do what you like to do yourself. Not doing everything what the others already do.
I find Angeles and all other places so relax if you don't need a girl.
Just mention once you are gay. You wil see how much more fun.
Hihi.
Completely different reviews by two guys who both seem to have tons of experience in Angeles City. Not only that but they might have even crossed paths during the creation of their completely different reviews. I left Sockers' comments about Makati in the quote since I believe it reflects on his view of AC. I took the liberty to condense the breaks in their posts to lessen the impact of two huge quotes to the page. I also edited out sockers photo comment.Well it depends how much beer you had and if you really need a girl and of coarse the time you go in and what type / age of girl you want.
In my view I had in 2004 nicer streetgirls than which I see in parameter road these days.
Rio (in old days there where two bars also Nifty) was 10 years ago good. But now at 6 pm only good for a LD HJ.
Some newer bars I see in perimeter nice girls also later at the day / evening.
But in my view the slim girls are (quick) gone.
Bars first part of fields near McDo was crowded 2 months ago already at early afternoon with Koreans.
The far perimeter is also Korean. Bars like F1.
They like slim long. So if that's the taste be on time. Specially in the areas I mentioned.
I stopped with alcohol. So the magic is a little gone.
Pinay just transfer all tips in Jolibee food.
So don't tip them annymore.
I was looking on the Grab app and entered a destination in AC just to see what would show up.
The app quoted me a price of about 2400 to go there. Never tried to actually make the booking but that is less than has been reported here for a car and driver to go to AC from Manila.
Anyone ever actually tried it? Any luck?
How about the return trip?
Mr Enternational
09-11-18, 00:18
I was looking on the Grab app and entered a destination in AC just to see what would show up.
The app quoted me a price of about 2400 to go there. Never tried to actually make the booking but that is less than has been reported here for a car and driver to go to AC from Manila.
Anyone ever actually tried it? Any luck?
How about the return trip?I tried it from AC to Manila before. The guy accepted, but then sent me a message that it was only Grab Pampanga and did not go to Manila. That was like 2 years ago. Maybe things have changed. I am at NAIA right now and it only shows 2033 pesos to Central Park Tower in AC for a shared ride. I have reported a couple of times paying 2000 - 2200 for a regular taxi though. The thing is that some guys don't like to bargain and therefore pay the higher prices for rides as well as girls.
BrainDrain
09-11-18, 02:41
I was looking on the Grab app and entered a destination in AC just to see what would show up.
The app quoted me a price of about 2400 to go there. Never tried to actually make the booking but that is less than has been reported here for a car and driver to go to AC from Manila.
Anyone ever actually tried it? Any luck?
How about the return trip?I've used Grab driver from AC to NAIA. It's not reliable though if you need to make a connection.
Usually I will make conversation with the Grab drivers I use around AC and ask if they want the job at XXpm. Usually it costs me P3 k. Over time I've collected a few driver's numbers one of which will usually accept a direct job.
In / around AC I've used Grab for longer trips BUT it is impossible to get a driver as a pickup to a remote location.
If you have available time, then just post the job and see if there are any takers.
Of course, the bus is super convenient these days.
BD.
GoodEnough
09-13-18, 04:56
I've used Grab driver from AC to NAIA. It's not reliable though if you need to make a connection.
Usually I will make conversation with the Grab drivers I use around AC and ask if they want the job at XXpm. Usually it costs me P3 k. Over time I've collected a few driver's numbers one of which will usually accept a direct job.
In / around AC I've used Grab for longer trips BUT it is impossible to get a driver as a pickup to a remote location.
If you have available time, then just post the job and see if there are any takers.
Of course, the bus is super convenient these days.
BD.I've been using the same driver for years, and he charges Php2,700 for the trip. He's extremely reliable and very honest. If anyone wants his contact information feel free to send me a PM.
GE.
Montecristo
09-13-18, 07:21
Air Asia flight from Bangkok is in terms of price the most convenient for this trip (I am a little bit afraid of Phillipines Airlines perhaps without a reason).
I want to go to Angeles, but this flight arrives at 1. 45 am, leaving the airport it will be 2. 30 am. Definitly traffic will be better, but perhaps I should have some safety concerns.
I can play a taxi, the question is, should I simply stay one night near the airport and leave peacefully the next day, or should I try to find a Taxi (or Grab) at this hour?
Surely other people have been doing this flight from Bangkok.
Thanks.
Montecristo.
Great report Blanquiceleste. As Mark Twain once remarked about his own life, "Reports of my (or AC's) death are greatly exaggerated. " Perhaps what prompts the negative response from many BM's is the fact that for whatever reason prices are no longer dirt cheap as compared with other Asian watering holes and LT is no longer the default. All I can say is things change.
But it sounds like you had a real good time with some attractive girls and that is what counts. I will save a few of your bar recommendations in my notes file for a future visit, but I first have to tear myself away from MNL. 555. I love the big city girls.I think the fact that prices are way up combined with many now being short time runners, others not even doing bar fines with white guys, and more than half now being chubby moms probably paints a fuller picture. Especially when you usually have to make multiple flights or a long overland connection to get there with few cities connected to Angeles by air.
If Angeles City didn't have bars it's unlikely anyone would ever want to go there. It's just not a nice place at all outside of the women as anyone honest will admit. There is still easy and affordable pussy there. Don't get me wrong! But in this interconnected world Angeles City just doesn't stand out like it used to.
The argument that you can still have sex with hot chicks if you're willing to spend a lot of money is a strange one since it's true anywhere in the world. You can also have sex with hot chicks in New York or London or Tehran if you're willing to spend a lot of money. LOL!
Air Asia flight from Bangkok is in terms of price the most convenient for this trip (I am a little bit afraid of Phillipines Airlines perhaps without a reason).
I want to go to Angeles, but this flight arrives at 1. 45 am, leaving the airport it will be 2. 30 am. Definitly traffic will be better, but perhaps I should have some safety concerns.
I can play a taxi, the question is, should I simply stay one night near the airport and leave peacefully the next day, or should I try to find a Taxi (or Grab) at this hour?
Surely other people have been doing this flight from Bangkok.
Thanks.
Montecristo.I stayed at Pacific Breeze Hotel and they do provide a pickup service from Manila Airport. The driver has always showed up on time. I usually nap my way to Angeles City.
Air Asia flight from Bangkok is in terms of price the most convenient for this trip (I am a little bit afraid of Phillipines Airlines perhaps without a reason).
I want to go to Angeles, but this flight arrives at 1. 45 am, leaving the airport it will be 2. 30 am. Definitly traffic will be better, but perhaps I should have some safety concerns.
I can play a taxi, the question is, should I simply stay one night near the airport and leave peacefully the next day, or should I try to find a Taxi (or Grab) at this hour?Get a hotel taxi or a car to meet you at the airport, for a ride to Angeles. Very safe. Take a nap. You should get to Angeles around 4 AM.
Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.I tell any girl I meet online straight up "if you have a kid I'm not interested in meeting, sorry". I used to ask them if they had kids but too many lie so I have to leave when I find out the truth. This makes things easier. No need to waste time. Time is money, or in this case pussy!
PedroMorales
09-13-18, 11:10
http://beewaytravel.com/
Their taxi service, click through, will sort you out. Crucially, they give good info on meeting at Manila arrivals. Unlike other airports, you exit, cross a road to the meet and greet areas. They meeting you in the XYZ area and email you details of it.
You are arriving at a good time traffic wise. Going during the day would add considerable time to the journey. I guess you are Cheap Charlieing it taking such a cheap short hop flight at such an hour. If so, taxi to Pasay and get a bus to Pampanga and trike to hotel.
Air Asia flight from Bangkok is in terms of price the most convenient for this trip (I am a little bit afraid of Phillipines Airlines perhaps without a reason).
I want to go to Angeles, but this flight arrives at 1. 45 am, leaving the airport it will be 2. 30 am. Definitly traffic will be better, but perhaps I should have some safety concerns.
I can play a taxi, the question is, should I simply stay one night near the airport and leave peacefully the next day, or should I try to find a Taxi (or Grab) at this hour?
Surely other people have been doing this flight from Bangkok.
Thanks.
Montecristo.
I tell any girl I meet online straight up "if you have a kid I'm not interested in meeting, sorry". I used to ask them if they had kids but too many lie so I have to leave when I find out the truth. This makes things easier. No need to waste time. Time is money, or in this case pussy!When talking directly to a filipina don't ask "Do you have any kids?" because it's easy to lie with a straight "no".
Instead ask "How many kids do you have?
This question is unexpected and it throws them off. You can quickly tell if they are thinking about the answer. Those who genuinely don't have any kids very quickly act affronted and answer none. Invariably the girl will say "one only" even if she has 2 or more at home.
Air Asia flight from Bangkok is in terms of price the most convenient for this trip (I am a little bit afraid of Phillipines Airlines perhaps without a reason).
I want to go to Angeles, but this flight arrives at 1. 45 am, leaving the airport it will be 2. 30 am. Definitly traffic will be better, but perhaps I should have some safety concerns.
I can play a taxi, the question is, should I simply stay one night near the airport and leave peacefully the next day, or should I try to find a Taxi (or Grab) at this hour?
Surely other people have been doing this flight from Bangkok.
Thanks.
Montecristo.Scoot airlines offer flights DMK to Clark for less than 100 bucks if booked early. That's better than that long ride from Manila to Angeles.
Mr Enternational
09-13-18, 15:23
Sorry I just don't fucking get it and doubt I ever will. Monday I was on Philippine Air from Bangkok to Manila in business class. With my meal I ordered a Grand Marnier and pineapple juice to drink. The girl brought me only pineapple juice. I said no I wanted Grand Marnier in it. She picked up my glass still full of pineapple juice. I said ice, Grand Marnier, and pineapple juice. Do you know what this Pinay told me? Sorry sir, but we do not have pineapple juice. Okay where is the hidden camera?
When talking directly to a filipina don't ask "Do you have any kids?" because it's easy to lie with a straight "no".
Instead ask "How many kids do you have?
This question is unexpected and it throws them off. You can quickly tell if they are thinking about the answer. Those who genuinely don't have any kids very quickly act affronted and answer none. Invariably the girl will say "one only" even if she has 2 or more at home.
Blanquiceleste
09-13-18, 17:23
I think the fact that prices are way up combined with many now being short time runners, others not even doing bar fines with white guys, and more than half now being chubby moms probably paints a fuller picture. Especially when you usually have to make multiple flights or a long overland connection to get there with few cities connected to Angeles by air.
If Angeles City didn't have bars it's unlikely anyone would ever want to go there. It's just not a nice place at all outside of the women as anyone honest will admit. There is still easy and affordable pussy there. Don't get me wrong! But in this interconnected world Angeles City just doesn't stand out like it used to.
The argument that you can still have sex with hot chicks if you're willing to spend a lot of money is a strange one since it's true anywhere in the world. You can also have sex with hot chicks in New York or London or Tehran if you're willing to spend a lot of money. LOL!What is the definition of "a lot of money" ?
In AC if you are willing to pay 5000 peso you can get the top chicks at every bar you can think of. That is roughly $100. And for that money, the girl will stay all night, well into the next day and do your every bidding. Now that is definitely not going to happen in New York or London or Tehran. Not even Bangkok.
Montecristo
09-13-18, 18:30
http://beewaytravel.com/
Their taxi service, click through, will sort you out. Crucially, they give good info on meeting at Manila arrivals. Unlike other airports, you exit, cross a road to the meet and greet areas. They meeting you in the XYZ area and email you details of it.
You are arriving at a good time traffic wise. Going during the day would add considerable time to the journey. I guess you are Cheap Charlieing it taking such a cheap short hop flight at such an hour. If so, taxi to Pasay and get a bus to Pampanga and trike to hotel.Thanks for the answers I have received. I never planned to cheap charlieing in a plane trip, and I thought air asia was always the same firm, but I see now they are divided in several countries, and Air Asia Philipines has a bad rating in safety issues, so I am happy for the information.
A check on airlines safety issues showed Air Philipines is by far the best airliner (much better that Thai Airways and Bangkok Airways), I will choose this option, and if Beeway is a safe bet for taxi I will use it.
Thanks once more.
I tell any girl I meet online straight up "if you have a kid I'm not interested in meeting, sorry". I used to ask them if they had kids but too many lie so I have to leave when I find out the truth. This makes things easier. No need to waste time. Time is money, or in this case pussy!I love this direct approach! Headed out there myself in a couple weeks and will certainly be more pro-active to thin the herd looking for a multi-day companion in AC.
What is the definition of "a lot of money" ?
In AC if you are willing to pay 5000 peso you can get the top chicks at every bar you can think of. That is roughly $100. And for that money, the girl will stay all night, well into the next day and do your every bidding. Now that is definitely not going to happen in New York or London or Tehran. Not even Bangkok.I am visiting AC soon with the idea of finding a winner gal and hope to convince her to stay with me several days / nights.
Do you think that is a reasonable expectation and what do you think pricing would look like? After all, it's a hotel, meals, entertainment, drinks and probably some light shopping.
I've done the wham-bam mongering all over Asia but am looking to find someone to be a companion long-term in AC.
PedroMorales
09-13-18, 23:45
What is the definition of "a lot of money" ?
In AC if you are willing to pay 5000 peso you can get the top chicks at every bar you can think of. That is roughly $100. And for that money, the girl will stay all night, well into the next day and do your every bidding. Now that is definitely not going to happen in New York or London or Tehran. Not even Bangkok.It is not just $100. You have to factor in air fares and especially hotel charges. I broke it down that a month (or two) in Pampanga would cost me a minimum of $4000. ($6,000). For very modest outlays, I have a number of bonks lined up at home, though they are of a different quality (and age). With the $6000 thus "saved", I could skip the tiring air trip for the kim chee experience and do odd European forays instead. There is a lot of down / dead time in Angeles, guys staring into their beer glasses and coffee cups.
And for $100 or $1000 there is still no guarantee of service. I reckon it might be time to leave Pampanga to the Koreans, until the Chinese start rolling in. The future there belongs to the Kims and Lees in any case as it is a stack them high model. If you want high class, you ain't going to find it in Fields Ave or Perimeter Road.
GoodEnough
09-14-18, 00:29
A check on airlines safety issues showed Air Philipines is by far the best airliner (much better that Thai Airways and Bangkok Airways), I will choose this option, and if Beeway is a safe bet for taxi I will use it.
Thanks once more.As a resident here, I've been flying PAL for years with no safety issues. I actually like the airline, and my problems with air travel here relate to the inadequate airports, especially in Manila, and this is an issue that has nothing to do with any airlines. My advice, for whatever it's worth, is to arrange before your trip for a driver to meet you at the airport. You can do this through the hotel where you will be staying, or, if you like, send me a PM and I'll give you the name and contact information of a driver I've been using for several years.
GE.
1. ...Thanks for your insights and report5. Someday I'll say my final goodbyes to AC but I hope that's a long time from now. There's no place like AC and I won't go into too many details why I think this. I'll mention one. The show bars...I'm in the RTFF phase of reviewing AC as a new destination, as an alternative to Pattaya (and BKK).
What I've gleaned so far: Food (Thai), English ability (PI), Average raunchiness (Thai), More scam prone (PI), VFM.
My initial feel is at odds with your comment 'there's no place like AC'.
I'm sure I'll run into AC v. Pattaya comparisions as I continue reading, but I sure would like to know your top insights.
Do you think that is a reasonable expectation and what do you think pricing would look like? After all, it's a hotel, meals, entertainment, drinks and probably some light shopping.In PI it costs more to feed and keep a girl than to fuck her.
It's often been said that aircon and a comfortable bed won't feed the family back home so don't expect a girl to give cut price pussy just to have creature comforts with you.
I paid 10 k per week in the Visayas but search my posts for "Holidaying with a Hooker" for all the on costs.
It's your money but with girls on tap in AC I can't see the reason for keeping one for the whole trip there.
I'm in the RTFF phase of reviewing AC as a new destination, as an alternative to Pattaya (and BKK).
What I've gleaned so far: Food (Thai), English ability (PI), Average raunchiness (Thai), More scam prone (PI), VFM ( = ).
My initial feel is at odds with your comment 'there's no place like AC'.
I'm sure I'll run into AC v. Pattaya comparisions as I continue reading, but I sure would like to know your top insights.Pattaya is a hundred times better than AC. First, it's a real city. You can walk around and there are things to do. Beggars are rarely seen, they never run up to you pulling on your shirt like in AC. You get better rooms for your money. Thai food is delicious, Filipino food not so much. Baht Bus takes you around Pattaya for $0. 30. Even in terms of women it's better because you have many more go go bars, topless and fully nude go go bars, blow job bars and gentlemen's clubs where you can get sucked or fuck right in the bar, big nice soapy massage parlors, cheap happy ending massage and everything in between.
I still go to AC though from time to time, because I like Filipinas and I'm always up for a quick cheap pump and dump. But at this point some ain't so cheap any more, so it's really losing the appeal it did have. My two cents.
What is the definition of "a lot of money" ?
In AC if you are willing to pay 5000 peso you can get the top chicks at every bar you can think of. That is roughly $100. And for that money, the girl will stay all night, well into the next day and do your every bidding. Now that is definitely not going to happen in New York or London or Tehran. Not even Bangkok.Who wants them to sleep overnight? Not me. They're working girls, not girlfriends or wives. I barely want my wife to sleep overnight. If I want an overnight I'll find a girlfriend. You pay them to leave, remember?
When women in bars want 4000 for short time, and be real and honest is most of them do in AC now do shortimes, that's approaching other cities levels for same. You can bang a hot European chick in a German FKK for less (50 Euros), and you get to see her naked first! You can get short time in Seoul for that much. You can get it for half as much in Pattaya or Saigon.
For 3000 Pesos and below things are still somewhat sustainable and worthwhile (considering you have to fly to Manila from somewhere, THEN do a 2 hour overland connection). Not to mention rooms that are about $100 a night for something decent, cut throat trikes that want 180 to take you from Fields to Ponytails, and child beggars and ladyboys in the street pulling on your shirt when you walk by.
There's a whole wide world out there. I am not limited to AC. Sorry for anyone else who is, but it's not all that bad. Beats Tuscon, Arizona at least.
When talking directly to a filipina don't ask "Do you have any kids?" because it's easy to lie with a straight "no".
Instead ask "How many kids do you have?
This question is unexpected and it throws them off. You can quickly tell if they are thinking about the answer. Those who genuinely don't have any kids very quickly act affronted and answer none. Invariably the girl will say "one only" even if she has 2 or more at home.Not a bad idea. But being clear and saying "If you have kids I don't want to meet" has always worked for me. If she showed up and was obviously a mom, I'd just tell her goodbye. Easy as that. I'm just not interested in them, so why waste time or money?
Ditto. WR has always been friendly, generous, and very well informed to me as well. In my considered opinion he is one of the good guys on the PI boards.Well, here's an acknowledgement to another of the good guys! That's you, my friend. When I was a total newbie, I PM'ed you, my first PM ever, (in the Thai fora) and was on the receiving end of some fabulous advice, the quality of which I can truly appreciate only now, six years later. Thank you, Natty, for your generosity and responsiveness. When do I get to buy you a drink?
I'm now exploring, RTFFing prior to a maiden PI visit. AC, Makati, Cebu. Where does one start!
Blanquiceleste
09-14-18, 05:39
It is not just $100. You have to factor in air fares and especially hotel charges. I broke it down that a month (or two) in Pampanga would cost me a minimum of $4000. ($6,000). For very modest outlays, I have a number of bonks lined up at home, though they are of a different quality (and age). With the $6000 thus "saved", I could skip the tiring air trip for the kim chee experience and do odd European forays instead. There is a lot of down / dead time in Angeles, guys staring into their beer glasses and coffee cups.
And for $100 or $1000 there is still no guarantee of service. I reckon it might be time to leave Pampanga to the Koreans, until the Chinese start rolling in. The future there belongs to the Kims and Lees in any case as it is a stack them high model. If you want high class, you ain't going to find it in Fields Ave or Perimeter Road.Sure, while you are at it, factor in the mortgage for your house back home, insurance, alimony perhaps and other expenses. That would give you a clearer picture. The point we are debating here is pound for pound. What does pussy cost in AC and what does it cost back home.
AC was never ever about high class service, even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. But you will find several reasonably good looking girls that will do your every bidding for the right amount of cash. It's plain motivation theory. And that has worked for me.
BrainDrain
09-14-18, 05:58
I've done the wham-bam mongering all over Asia but am looking to find someone to be a companion long-term in AC.When you say long-term do you mean just for the long term of your week stay in AC or do you mean ongoing log term months and years.
For me, long term for a week, look to the bar scene.
Long term for life, look to dating sites and normal jane the all center girl.
BD.
Blanquiceleste
09-14-18, 05:58
Who wants them to sleep overnight? Not me. They're working girls, not girlfriends or wives. I barely want my wife to sleep overnight. If I want an overnight I'll find a girlfriend. You pay them to leave, remember?Different folks different strokes. The fact that mongers complain about "runners" is evidence that they want girls to stay overnight. I personally like the girl to sleep over (not in a clingy way), so that I get the morning wood serviced before I get started with the day.
When women in bars want 4000 for short time, and be real and honest is most of them do in AC now do shortimes, that's approaching other cities levels for same. You can bang a hot European chick in a German FKK for less (50 Euros), and you get to see her naked first! You can get short time in Seoul for that much. You can get it for half as much in Pattaya or Saigon.
For 3000 Pesos and below things are still somewhat sustainable and worthwhile (considering you have to fly to Manila from somewhere, THEN do a 2 hour overland connection). Not to mention rooms that are about $100 a night for something decent, cut throat trikes that want 180 to take you from Fields to Ponytails, and child beggars and ladyboys in the street pulling on your shirt when you walk by.
There's a whole wide world out there. I am not limited to AC. Sorry for anyone else who is, but it's not all that bad. Beats Tuscon, Arizona at least.There are several options in AC under 2000 peso. Nearly every bar on perimeter road sets the BF at 1700 to 2000. Ponytail takes 2500. All bars on WS charge 3000, with the odd bar asking higher. You are really under no obligation to sit at the bar and buy drinks for everyone, that is your own call. Some guys complain about that, but there are many here who admit to a "point and click" model.
Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc. You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is possibly the worst airport on this planet) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.
I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.
Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.
PedroMorales
09-14-18, 09:05
Sure, while you are at it, factor in the mortgage for your house back home, insurance, alimony perhaps and other expenses. That would give you a clearer picture. The point we are debating here is pound for pound. What does pussy cost in AC and what does it cost back home.
AC was never ever about high class service, even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. But you will find several reasonably good looking girls that will do your every bidding for the right amount of cash. It's plain motivation theory. And that has worked for me.Before Elvis packed his bags in Memphis and moved to Angeles. , he'd often decide to have a hamburger, his favourite hamburger of the day. If his favourite was in LA, Tampa or wherever, off he'd go on on his private plane. To eat a fxxg hamburger. Hassle apart, more money does not necessarily bring better service and it is certainly not worth flying to Clark for a Jolibee.
The main attraction of places like Angeles and Pattaya is you know they are essentially one trick towns and that almost any woman you see has a price tag on her private parts. No different for a hardware store in that regard.
I think Pattaya and, less so, Angeles, will continue to work for two Western groups. The first of these are the fly by nights, who include them as part of an overall tour package. The second group are such as warm water scuba divers, who get two holidays in one (scuba diving and pooning). The worst cases, and I have met plenty of them, are those looking for love or a non cash-based relationship. Bottom line is we are bonking rice farmers' daughters and wives and, besides the obvious needs, we have nothing much in common.
I guess Angeles and Pattaya are best for well-grounded middle aged men who still have strong sex drives and like to shop for Viagra and Cialis. Getting a squaw and settling down on the reservation might work too. All depends on his the little head thinks.
Will be in AC next weekend and staying at ABC. Can anyone tell me what is considered tops when it comes to bars or clubs with the best looking girls? Is it still Atlantis? What about perimeter bars?
Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc. There's no flight from Bangkok. So you have to fly to, in your words, "possibly the worst airport on this planet. " Then you get to negotiate with some of the worst taxi drivers anywhere, and once you agree on a price higher than what any local would pay, you get to drive through two hours of some of the worst traffic you can find anywhere. After that you arrive at a city without any of the amenities you can find in Bangkok where women are asking the same amount of money. So why would you make the extra effort (with two stops) when you're already in Bangkok? Honest question.
You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is ) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.Mostly right except that Louis Grand is now a dump too. Have you seen the carpets in the rooms? Tried to use the wifi? Looked at that absolutely disgusting white couch in the lobby? It's still twice as much as you'd pay for a nicer newer hotel in Bangkok or Pattaya though.
I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.
Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.Seoul red light district is 3000 Pesos for a fuck. Fuji Building or any walk up in Hong Kong is about 3000 Pesos. Pattaya Soi 6 is 1600 pesos. The original point stands then: because AC has nothing really positive about it except for the women, the prices would have to be much cheaper for the place to be a real draw, especially for those of us who live or are regularly in say Hong Kong or Bangkok.
even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. This is exactly the point! It was a place for cheap poon. When the poon isn't cheap what will be the reason to go there? Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more. Where is the "cheap" line broken? 5000 PHP? 10000 PHP?
Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more.Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.
Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.
Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.
On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.
The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.
Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.
Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.
Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.
On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.
The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.Are you sure?
In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.
Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.
Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.
I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.
I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.
Are you sure?
In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.
Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.
Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.
I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.
I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.Yes, there will always be exceptions and variations across the region.
I'll stand by my comment about the changes to the supply and demand dynamic and its effect on some prices (especially at the uper end of the market). However, I'll also concede that my reference points may be well before 2010.
Me quoting 100 kRp in Jakarta and 30 k K in Yangoon was so long ago its comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't stop me missing those days though. . . 🤣.
Blanquiceleste
09-14-18, 18:03
This is exactly the point! It was a place for cheap poon. When the poon isn't cheap what will be the reason to go there? Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more. Where is the "cheap" line broken? 5000 PHP? 10000 PHP?I would probably go with "in your head".
3000 peso is cheap for my wallet.
Blanquiceleste
09-14-18, 18:21
There's no flight from Bangkok. So you have to fly to, in your words, "possibly the worst airport on this planet. " Then you get to negotiate with some of the worst taxi drivers anywhere, and once you agree on a price higher than what any local would pay, you get to drive through two hours of some of the worst traffic you can find anywhere. After that you arrive at a city without any of the amenities you can find in Bangkok where women are asking the same amount of money. So why would you make the extra effort (with two stops) when you're already in Bangkok? Honest question.OK, so there are no flights from BKK. Great, you win. What about the other airports?
Hate to break it to you, but the women aren't asking money for the amenities you get in the city. They are asking money for a roll in the hay with men old enough to be their grandpas. And its not an awful lot.
Mostly right except that Louis Grand is now a dump too. Have you seen the carpets in the rooms? Tried to use the wifi? Looked at that absolutely disgusting white couch in the lobby? It's still twice as much as you'd pay for a nicer newer hotel in Bangkok or Pattaya though.LGH has definitely lost its charm, I was there in August and reported on it. However, this time I got a good deal at $60 per night, so I can't complain much. It is still better than some others closer to Fields. I used to be a Wild Orchid fan at one point.
I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.Trikes charge a 100 peso. And I know that is too much. But its a gravity issue for me, nothing can be done about it. You could try using the jeepneys, but I would much rather swim with sharks.
Seoul red light district is 3000 Pesos for a fuck. Fuji Building or any walk up in Hong Kong is about 3000 Pesos. Pattaya Soi 6 is 1600 pesos. The original point stands then: because AC has nothing really positive about it except for the women, the prices would have to be much cheaper for the place to be a real draw, especially for those of us who live or are regularly in say Hong Kong or Bangkok.I have been around in Seoul. CheonHo, Miarai Texas, Hooker Hill, Area 588. You get 20-30 minutes for that 3000 peso. Oh, I forgot, you are the guy who likes to get laid and get going right away. Doesn't work for me. Not mongered much in HKG, so I don't know. And Pattaya is a city created for single male entertainment 24/7. No comparison. But in Pattaya too, if you want quality, there is a price to it.
For me, if I don't like a place for any reason, I simply don't go back there. Because complaining ain't going to change things up there.
Blanquiceleste
09-14-18, 18:31
In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.Probably paid too much in Pattaya. 1000 was for LT even in 2012/2013. Even now you get the odd report on the Pattaya thread from mongers claiming to pay only 500 for a BR hooker, ST.
At the end of the day it is all in our minds. What we consider as fair pay, what we consider as a hot girl, what we consider as good service. Of course, there are certain other things like infrastructure which cannot be debated. And in that department the Philippines always sucks.
FuriousGeorge
09-15-18, 00:59
I'm glad this was brought up, because I'm struggling with the same decision right now and need to decide fairly soon. I went to AC twice in the last year and had a great time. I like the fact that the girls speak English. It's cheap, it's chill, and I found the girls to be very nice for the most part, and not mercenaries at all. To tell you the truth I would actually go back for sure except for some drama that one particular girl has caused me since I've been back in the states by trying to contact people in my life and work world and badmouth me. Luckily I'm not blackmail-able since I'm single and my employer is way too large. But attempts have been made and it has soured me to the small city. I'm sure she would spot me (I'm easily spottable) and cause a scene and it's not something I even want to worry about.
For me, after reading plenty of the Thailand forums, the downside there is the lack of bareback offered. For me I think this is a deal breaker. In AC I batted about 93% bare and it was fantastic. If I travel half way around the world to put my dick in a rubber glove then I'd rather just stay home and jerk it. But that's me. I'm fit, tall, youngish, white, and I have money to spend. Can I improve my odds over the average monger? Probably. But anything less than 50% I would consider a loss. Hell, the CreampieThais guy sure seems to have no problem (damn I'm so jealous of that guy). Thoughts?
Throwing in my 2 cents on getting to AC. Manila airport to Makati via GrabTaxi. Spend a night there and check out Burgos (damn there are some hotties there). Then Beeway travel the next day to AC. I've used them 4 times and it's always been a nice van with me alone with a good driver. They're super prompt. Yeah it's $50. It's worth it.
Mr Enternational
09-15-18, 02:38
I'm glad this was brought up, because I'm struggling with the same decision right now and need to decide fairly soon. I went to AC twice in the last year and had a great time. I like the fact that the girls speak English. It's cheap, it's chill, and I found the girls to be very nice for the most part, and not mercenaries at all. To tell you the truth I would actually go back for sure except for some drama that one particular girl has caused me since I've been back in the states by trying to contact people in my life and work world and badmouth me.Why do you guys give those broad so much information? I have been fucking non-paid chicks for years and have no idea what their names are. Two years ago I was fucking my neighbor in Thailand who has a boyfriend that pays for everything. The only reason I found out her name was because she spoke about herself in 3rd person one time when telling me a story. She did not know my name until two weeks ago when we were at a party with a neighbor that is fucking her now and he called my name out. How the heck does a chick know where you work and is able to contact people back in your real life?
Thoughts?I think you should "stay home and jerk it. ".
Why do you guys give those broad so much information?Let's go back a step: what are they doing to pis girls off so much that they are being pursued when, by their own admission there is no gain from black mail, embarrassing them etc?
I've had a few psychos, disagreements, been screamed at, tears flowing and threats of calling police / army friends. Its all an effort to get more money rather than a vendetta so once it's clear that none will be forthcoming, they quietly move on to the next target. A couple of times they have even called back offering to drop around again🙄.
FuriousGeorge
09-15-18, 09:41
I hear ya, but my situation is unique. There's no money involved or thought of it. This is plain old fashioned lady jealousy mixed with crazy. I. e. 'You had sex with my friends and you don't want me even though you said you did (I didn't) so I am going to ruin you and if you come back here I will ruin your vacation'.
I have added a few AC girls as facebook friends that were superstars in the looks and personality department. Like maybe I'd want a repeat. It's fun to see their little lives. The nutcase found me through them or something. I didn't add her. My privacy settings were pretty tight but not as good as they should have been and she was able to figure out some stuff. No real harm done but I don't really want to look over my shoulder constantly if I return.
Let's go back a step: what are they doing to pis girls off so much that they are being pursued when, by their own admission there is no gain from black mail, embarrassing them etc?
I've had a few psychos, disagreements, been screamed at, tears flowing and threats of calling police / army friends. Its all an effort to get more money rather than a vendetta so once it's clear that none will be forthcoming, they quietly move on to the next target. A couple of times they have even called back offering to drop around again🙄.
I know there has been many different views comparing bkk to Philippines and the value for money, food, things to do, service etc. I had been to AC and makati several times but I keep coming back.
For example on my first trip to AC I met this sales girl at sm mall who was in the cosmetic section when I was shopping for another girl I met there. She shared me her number and we met the following day and got along really well. In fact, just as most of the girls poured her family issues to me and said she desperately wanted to get out of Philippines and make some money. I got her a job in the Middle East working as a sales girl. As she was a gym and fitness freak (great body to boot) she went on working on her body and I sponsored a few courses for her on fitness and nutrition. I got her a job as fitness trainer and she is now set. I had her spread her legs when ever I wanted and the service levels and gratitude for helping her was phenomenal. When she was in Philippines I even bought school books for her high school younger sister. She now has a Filipino boy friend who is ok with how I met her and has no problems with me still fucking her. Well now her younger sister turns 18 at the end of next month and she is willing for me to meet her and take her cherry. Her younger sister is a part time model in AC.
I will be there in AC on 29th October for a few days and will spend some time with her sister.
Now I have never got this kind of gratitude in bkk or any other place.
And that's why I keep coming back. Peace out.
G.
For me, after reading plenty of the Thailand forums, the downside there is the lack of bareback offered. For me I think this is a deal breaker. In AC I batted about 93% bare and it was fantastic.If you use the internet to find girls (WeChat, Thai Friendly, Badoo, etc.) you can discreetly ask them in advance if they are willing to bareback.
Nevertheless I agree that it's much easier to get BBFS in the Phils than in Thailand.
I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.
Trikes charge a 100 peso. And I know that is too much. I think it's strange that quite a lot of people are complaining about the trike prices here. I did that too to be honest, until I realized that we are screwed by the bars, the hotels and the restaurants as well. It's a tourist area so what do you expect? I don't blame the trike guys that they want to get as much as possible, when everybody else in AC is doing that too.
Just a simple example: a mug of coffee at Margarita Station is 39 peso and at Kokomos it's 45 peso. A mug of coffee (of about the same size) at Phillies is what, 65 peso? Last time I was in Phillies is years ago so maybe the price is even higher now. However I have never seen anybody complain about this 'rip-off price' at Phillies LOL.
Blanquiceleste
09-15-18, 11:30
Just a simple example: a mug of coffee at Margarita Station is 39 peso and at Kokomos it's 45 peso. A mug of coffee (of about the same size) at Phillies is what, 65 peso? Last time I was in Phillies is years ago so maybe the price is even higher now. However I have never seen anybody complain about this 'rip-off price' at Phillies LOL.Is anyone complaining at the friendly prices at Starbucks? If no, then why complain about Phillies charging more than Kokomos or Margarita?
It's called capitalism I believe?
Scoot airlines offer flights DMK to Clark for less than 100 bucks if booked early. That's better than that long ride from Manila to Angeles.Thanks for the advice. I didn't know this airline. However after some investigation it seems to me that the connection from Suvarnabhumi (BKK) is much better than from Don Muang (DMK). When you fly from DMK you will have a transit of at least 12 hours in Singapore, but when you fly from BKK the transit is only 2 or 3 hours.
This is what I have found. Unfortunately the flight schedule search on their website doesn't work, so please correct me if I'm wrong:
BKK 08:40 - CRK 17:35, with 2 hours transit in Singapore. About 8 hours travel time in total.
After October 28th the schedule changes:
BKK 09:00 - CRK 19:10, with 3 hours transit in Singapore. About 9 hours travel time in total.
Unfortunately the transit times in Singapore on the way back from Clark to Bangkok (both airports) are way too long to my liking.
And I could not find a fare for only 100 USD (one way). Not including check-in baggage and a meal and drink anyway. The best I could find was 6659 THB, even when I looked as far ahead as April next year. So that's about 200 USD.
Is anyone complaining at the friendly prices at Starbucks? If no, then why complain about Phillies charging more than Kokomos or Margarita?
It's called capitalism I believe?What's your point? Yes, it's called capitalism but that applies to the trike drivers as well. So capitalism is a reason to complain about all of them and not just the trike drivers.
GoodEnough
09-15-18, 12:34
What's your point? Yes, it's called capitalism but that applies to the trike drivers as well. So capitalism is a reason to complain about all of them and not just the trike drivers.Perhaps the guys who do not live here don't realize it, but inflation here now is the highest it's been in years. Gas prices keep rising as does the price of every other imported good, so the cost of living is rising rapidly. I try not to take trikes or jeepneys in A / see or anywhere else, so I don't follow those prices, but as a business owner here depending on European imports, I to know that the price of everything is rising quickly, so it would not be surprising to see trike drivers trying to squeeze as much as they can out of punters.
GE.
Mr Enternational
09-15-18, 13:03
I think it's strange that quite a lot of people are complaining about the trike prices here. I did that too to be honest, until I realized that we are screwed by the bars, the hotels and the restaurants as well. It's a tourist area so what do you expect? I don't blame the trike guys that they want to get as much as possible, when everybody else in AC is doing that too.
Just a simple example: a mug of coffee at Margarita Station is 39 peso and at Kokomos it's 45 peso. A mug of coffee (of about the same size) at Phillies is what, 65 peso? Last time I was in Phillies is years ago so maybe the price is even higher now. However I have never seen anybody complain about this 'rip-off price' at Phillies LOL.Come on man. The Angeles trike deal is the biggest ripoff in PI. I don't complain about it because I don't take them much and when I do I just hand them 80 pesos and they are fine with that. Seems like nothing. But when you have been other places in PI and see the difference then you realize it is some bullshit.
I was in Dumaguette and a trike ride clear across the city in a large comfortable trike was 10 pesos. In Angeles they charge you 100 pesos to go across the street in a cramped up death box. That is 10X difference! That is comparable to taking a comfortable bus in New Orleans for $2, then going to Orlando Mickey Mouse tourist town and having to pay $20 to ride in the back of a chicken truck.
If not anything else, the trike deal is definitely complaint-worthy. So try making the same argument having your Margarita Starbucks coffee at 39 pesos and your Phillies Shitbean coffee at 390 pesos. That would give a clearer picture of what the trike ripoff is.
She shared me her number and we met the following day and got along really well. In fact, just as most of the girls poured her family issues to me and said she desperately wanted to get out of Philippines and make some money.Yes, many (most?) Filipinos want to leave their country. There are millions of them in other countries for work or marriage in fact. Thai people on the other hand aren't nearly as likely to want to leave. Guys often seem shocked when they get a Thai girlfriend or even wife and find out that no, she doesn't want to go to Europe or America. She wants to stay in Thailand. Consider why that might be.
Yes, many (most?) Filipinos want to leave their country. There are millions of them in other countries for work or marriage in fact. Thai people on the other hand aren't nearly as likely to want to leave. Guys often seem shocked when they get a Thai girlfriend or even wife and find out that no, she doesn't want to go to Europe or America. She wants to stay in Thailand. Consider why that might be.Thai girls are more shy in my opinion absorbing western culture. Maybe because of language issue. They are perfectly happy where they are. Thailand over the years has become modern and the girls do not open their legs for anybody. Although other Asian currencies have tanked Thai Baht is holding value. Where else they will get garlicky, spicy food anywhere in the world comparable to Thai?
On the other hand Philippines is still stuck on overpopulation, bad infrastructure, not enough jobs, bad administration etc. Although over the years food situation has improved somewhat Philippines girls like to go to other countries to support their families. They have total western exposure being colony of other countries. Having said that I know some girls after being married and moved to other countries become bored and disillusioned and have returned home. Their initial impression is that all westerners are rich and will give them a good life. Only after moving they realize it is not so. They need to toil like everyone else to have a good living.
Soapy Smith
09-15-18, 15:00
Just a simple example: a mug of coffee at Margarita Station is 39 peso and at Kokomos it's 45 peso. A mug of coffee (of about the same size) at Phillies is what, 65 peso? Last time I was in Phillies is years ago so maybe the price is even higher now. However I have never seen anybody complain about this 'rip-off price' at Phillies LOL.It is capitalism, and consumers are not entirely powerless. Thanks for posting the comparative prices. Thinking folks who know the prices--and the quality of the product--can make informed choices about where to buy coffee.
Soapy Smith
09-15-18, 15:01
Perhaps the guys who do not live here don't realize it, but inflation here now is the highest it's been in years. Gas prices keep rising as does the price of every other imported good, so the cost of living is rising rapidly. GE.To what extent do you think it's related to devaluation of the piso?
GoodEnough
09-15-18, 15:10
To what extent do you think it's related to devaluation of the piso?I wasn't aware that there had been an intentional devaluation as I've not read anything about it. For whatever reasons, the peso is weakening week-on-week against the dollar and the Euro and inflation according to the government, is now at over 6 percent, which is inflating the cost of virtually all imported goods.
GE.
Soapy Smith
09-15-18, 15:17
Having said that I know some girls after being married and moved to other countries become bored and disillusioned and have returned home. Their initial impression is that all westerners are rich and will give them a good life. Only after moving they realize it is not so. They need to toil like everyone else to have a good living.While poverty, corruption, and inadequate infrastructure are facts of life, I sometimes sense that many Filipinos lack initiative to get themselves out of their own wheel rut. I once had a Barangay Captain in a rural area in the southern Visayas tell me that many Filipinos in his community were just simply lazy. He pointed out the many plots of land where they good till various kinds of vegetables, but, according to him, they lacked the initiative and ambition to do so. It's possible that the hand-to-mouth lifestyle that some rural Filipinos live inhibits their ability to see ways to pile up a little extra (it's called capitalism) to get ahead. Assuming the Barangay Captain is correct, it would be interesting to know whether these returning Filipinas bring with them a changed attitude about self-sufficiency and hard work.
Soapy Smith
09-15-18, 15:20
I wasn't aware that there had been an intentional devaluation as I've not read anything about it. GE.Not intentional, just market trend. The change in value of the dollar relative to the piso over the last couple years has been quite striking. I easily recall a few years ago an exchange rate near 40 to 1. It's now well over 50 to 1.
Blanquiceleste
09-15-18, 15:28
Yes, many (most?) Filipinos want to leave their country. There are millions of them in other countries for work or marriage in fact. Thai people on the other hand aren't nearly as likely to want to leave. Guys often seem shocked when they get a Thai girlfriend or even wife and find out that no, she doesn't want to go to Europe or America. She wants to stay in Thailand. Consider why that might be.The Philippines has the highest percentage of their citizens living outside the country - 19% almost. No surprise there.
I have never been able to explain why Thais don't want to get out of their country.
Come on man. The Angeles trike deal is the biggest ripoff in PI.Yes, I agree the trikes in AC are a rip-off. I never said they were fair. But I think quite a lot of the hotels and restaurants are also a rip-off compared to provincial or other non-touristy parts of the Phils. And that is my point: why is everybody always complaining about the high trike prices and not the other high prices?
I've never been to Boracay but I assume the trike drivers there are also charging much more than the 10 peso they are charging in Dumaguette.
I have never been able to explain why Thais don't want to get out of their country.Maybe it's tied to their profound love and honor of their royalty. Strong sense of nationalism.
Eszpresszo
09-15-18, 20:21
The Philippines has the highest percentage of their citizens living outside the country - 19% almost. No surprise there.
I have never been able to explain why Thais don't want to get out of their country.Perhaps the large number of Westerners who want to live in Thailand should provide a clue? By most accounts, and I have heard some Brits discussing the issue in Pattaya, the Thai government is making it more and more difficult to get residency and even some with a foothold already in the country are having issues staying there according to them. If so many foreigners are trying to stay there, I expect that suggests some merit to living in Thailand, especially when you are already a citizen and you speak the language.
But, you asked why Thais don't want to leave their country and here is my explanation. Because they love their country, they love their king and they love their family. And living conditions in Thailand, by most accounts are better than in the PI. Birth control is widely available and it is practiced, resulting in smaller families and better chances of moving ahead. Another factor is that Thais tend to be practicing Buddhists, and Buddhism teaches that wealth is fleeting. Thus, leaving the home of your faith (Theravada Buddhism is centered around Thailand) to chase wealth is going against the grain of their entire culture. Also note the large percentage of males who serve part of their life in poverty as monks.
I don't think that many, if any, of those qualities apply to the Filipinos, except for the love of their family. I have made contact with OFW Filipinos and met some in Malaysia. The often serve their lives toiling away to support their families, who are also taking care of their children back home. Children they rarely get to see and grow up while they are away. And yes, they really want to marry a Westerner and immigrate (and get you to take care of them, their kids and probably their entire family too!) Other than their devotion to family, the PI seems to be the opposite of Thailand in regards to those social factors I've mentioned.
NamasteParis
09-15-18, 23:13
I spent 5 nights in AC last month. Tipped all girls 100 - 200 depending on level of service provided, along with a mandatory Toblerone bar. Barfines set at 3000 - 3500 in bars on Fields.It's a decade I haven't been to the Phils. Does it mean that when you pay the barfine to the bar, it already includes the FS, and you just need to tip the girl according to her service?
Is it like this in all the Phils?
I don't remember this procedure, and it sounds different from the thai system.
The Philippines has the highest percentage of their citizens living outside the country - 19% almost. No surprise there.
I have never been able to explain why Thais don't want to get out of their country.Most people don't want to completely uproot their lives and move to a different country, culture and language. I have been to some real shithole countries and when you actually talk to the people there they want the economic and other advantages of living in the developed world but would prefer it to be in their home country.
Here most of the people leave temporarily with the intention of returning eventually to live their retirement on the proceeds of their foreign work or out of simple necessity to be able to remit money to their family. I think that Philippine are preferred for foreign workers because they speak English more than just about all other comparable countries.
WestCoast1
09-16-18, 00:37
It's a decade I haven't been to the Phils. Does it mean that when you pay the barfine to the bar, it already includes the FS, and you just need to tip the girl according to her service?
Is it like this in all the Phils?
I don't remember this procedure, and it sounds different from the thai system.What procedure did you encounter a decade ago in AC?
Manfield04
09-16-18, 05:05
Everywhere it is not the same. In Angeles City, the barfine includes everything. Tipping is up to you. In Makati, the barfine does not include FS. You have to tip the girl.
It's a decade I haven't been to the Phils. Is it like this in all the Phils?
GoodEnough
09-16-18, 06:47
Not intentional, just market trend. The change in value of the dollar relative to the piso over the last couple years has been quite striking. I easily recall a few years ago an exchange rate near 40 to 1. It's now well over 50 to 1.I think today's rate is 54.07. That's only slightly below what it was when I arrived here many years ago. It seems to me, though I haven't been assiduously tracking the rate, that the sudden weakening has been fairly sudden and I don't really understand why. The socio-economic conditions haven't changed dramatically over the past several months. For me, Economics remains "the arcane science," so if there's anyone out there who could help explain what's going on, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would find it helpful.
GE.
GoodEnough
09-16-18, 06:56
The Philippines has the highest percentage of their citizens living outside the country - 19% almost. No surprise there.
I think the official rate of expatriation, or at least the rate used most commonly in government papers and studies is about 10%. While I'm not arguing with your number, I'm curious about your source, as 19% of the population would be in excess of 20 million Filipinos living outside their country, and that is a huge number.
I was once a senior manager of a large development project here, and I used to know all of these numbers, but that was 5 years ago and I've not stayed current. The equation however is simple. The country has a young population and the number of people exiting the labor market each year is dwarfed by the numbers seeking to enter it. The formal economy cannot begin to create a sufficient number of jobs to absorb all of those seeking work, so many are forced abroad. I have no idea what the real unemployment rate is here, since the government seeks to dampen the rate by including those employed in the "informal" sector, which means that guys trying to sell you a coconut on Rizal St in Manila, and the guys trying to sell you counterfeit viagra on Burgos street are all counted as "employed. " I also forget the number of individuals actually paying personal income tax, but relative to the general population it's quite small, which again is an indication of the limited employment opportunities open to people here, where even a job selling shoes on a six month contract in SM requires some college education.
GE.
There are so many Filipinos working around the world that they have a name for it: OFWs. There are more than 10,500,000 of them at last count (with 20,000 in Thailand! It's a major pillar of the Philippines economy. In 2011, official remittances sent back from OFWs were $20,000,000,000 USD. That's the "official" number. The real number is likely much much higher.
As for why this exists in the Philippines and not Thailand, I think it's pretty obvious for anyone who has been to both countries. I guess it's not though, judging by some ponderous comments posted here. So let's look at the numbers.
Human Development Index (higher is better).
Thailand HDI 0. 755 - Ranked 83 of 193.
Philippines HDI 0. 699 - Ranked 113 of 193.
GDP Per Capita (higher is better).
Thailand GDP-PC $6,591 - Ranked 84 of 193.
Philippines GDP-PC $2,967 - Ranked 126 of 193.
GDP Purchasing Power Parity Per Capita (higher is better).
Thailand GDP-PPP $17,786 - Ranked 72 of 193.
Philippines GDP-PPP $8,229 - Ranked 118 of 193.
Thailand official unemployment rate 1%.
Philippines official unemployment rate 5.4%.
Not so mysterious when you look at the actual facts and figures. I don't need a weatherman to tell me which way the wind blows and just looking at Bangkok and Pattaya in comparison to Manila and Angeles City really tells me all I need to know, but it's nice to have the stats to back up the observations.
I think today's rate is 54.07. That's only slightly below what it was when I arrived here many years ago. It seems to me, though I haven't been assiduously tracking the rate, that the sudden weakening has been fairly sudden and I don't really understand why. The socio-economic conditions haven't changed dramatically over the past several months. For me, Economics remains "the arcane science," so if there's anyone out there who could help explain what's going on, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would find it helpful.
GE.The US dollar is the undisputed world reserve currency. Most currencies are measured and weighed against it, and it is currently quite strong (and strengthening).
$1 USD buys 54 PHP today, up from 43 five years ago.
$1 USD buys 23,500 VND today, up from 21,000 five years ago.
$1 USD buys 4. 14 MYR today, up from 3. 16 five years ago.
$1 USD buys 14,800 IDR today, up from 11,300 five years ago.
$1 USD buys 1,500 MMK today, up from 974 five years ago.
Gold is also a store of wealth versus the dollar. When "the price of gold" goes up, it means the US dollar is weakening (cheaper). When it goes down, it means the US dollar is strengthening.
Spot price on 1 oz of gold is $1193 today, down from $1350 five years ago.
But.
$1 USD buys 32.5 Thai Baht today, down from 33 five years ago.
You can guess why.
GoodEnough
09-16-18, 10:41
There are so many Filipinos working around the world that they have a name for it: OFWs. There are more than 10,500,000 of them at last count (with 20,000 in Thailand! It's a major pillar of the Philippines economy. In 2011, official remittances sent back from OFWs were $20,000,000,000 USD. That's the "official" number. The real number is likely much much higher.
As for why this exists in the Philippines and not Thailand, I think it's pretty obvious for anyone who has been to both countries. I guess it's not though, judging by some ponderous comments posted here. So let's look at the numbers.
Yes, OFW remittances are a bulwark of the economy and I believe constitute the second largest source of foreign currency. And the statistics you quote, while probably reasonably accurate, (ie the actually unemployment rate here is likely far higher than 5. 4%) they describe what is, but not necessarily why. As of 2017 the Gini Index of this place was about 40.1 while that of Thailand was about 37.8 and in this case lower is better. So in the Philippines a small percentage of the population controls more of the country's wealth than is the case in Thailand.
GE.
The unemployment numbers are definitely false. One economist says more than half of adult males in the Philippines have nothing to do with productive work of any kind. Even that seems to be a low estimate to me!
We can discuss whys in some detail. This might not be the place for it.
The main point for me, what all of this points to, is that the Philippines is severely lacking in so many areas that the people of the country flee the place in mass on a scope and scale not seen of any other country in peace time. So when the cheap sex dries up in a place like that, you have to wonder why anyone would go out of their way to visit, especially if it involves transiting through much better developed places like Bangkok where sex is perhaps even cheaper and more readily available alongside of all other aspects of a modern society.
Can we move all the general discussion on the economic situation and other topics to the general info section. Looking forward to reading more spicy reports here.
For the record I had to prepone my visit by a week and I arrive on 21st Oct.
If anyone wants to hang out and meet up over a beer let me know.
G.
Can we move all the general discussion on the economic situation and other topics to the general info section. Looking forward to reading more spicy reports here.
For the record I had to prepone my visit by a week and I arrive on 21st Oct.
If anyone wants to hang out and meet up over a beer let me know.
G.G. , If we take you up on the beer, what are we allowed to talk about at the bar? Is conversation limited to cup sizes and malt beverages?
NamasteParis
09-16-18, 18:17
What procedure did you encounter a decade ago in AC?Well, actually, it's more 25 years ago. I remember giving 1000 pesos LT and this was already generous!
That was the time of the Firehouse in Mabini and the Fire fox, Jools, Mascara at Burgos st. ! Hahaha!
There are so many Filipinos working around the world that they have a name for it: OFWs. There are more than 10,500,000 of them at last count (with 20,000 in Thailand! It's a major pillar of the Philippines economy. In 2011, official remittances sent back from OFWs were $20,000,000,000 USD. That's the "official" number. The real number is likely much much higher.
As for why this exists in the Philippines and not Thailand, I think it's pretty obvious for anyone who has been to both countries. I guess it's not though, judging by some ponderous comments posted here. So let's look at the numbers.
Human Development Index (higher is better).
Thailand HDI 0. 755 - Ranked 83 of 193.
Philippines HDI 0. 699 - Ranked 113 of 193..This belongs in the AC Forum. I suggest the boss remove all the other PI Forums if the AC Forum is the appropriate place for economic discussions. Why try and be concise and organized when you have careless BMs here that defend their right to screw things up?
There's no other reason this off topic shite should be here. It's either carelessness or brainlessness. Either of these conditions are not treatable. It's just plain unbelievable.
Well, actually, it's more 25 years ago. I remember giving 1000 pesos LT and this was already generous!
That was the time of the Firehouse in Mabini and the Fire fox, Jools, Mascara at Burgos st. ! Hahaha!It depends on where you go. In AC, you pay once at the bar and maybe tip at the end, if she takes more than the end of your tip. In Manila, you pay the bar and then pay the girl the agreed upon amount.
Blanquiceleste
09-17-18, 01:41
It depends on where you go. In AC, you pay once at the bar and maybe tip at the end, if she takes more than the end of your tip. In Manila, you pay the bar and then pay the girl the agreed upon amount.In AC it has always been pay at bar. But since "the raids" some bars do not accept barfines, they ask you to pay directly to the girl. Angelwitch is one such place I know, though there was nothing to take out from there on my recent visit.
GoodEnough
09-17-18, 01:44
In AC it has always been pay at bar. But since "the raids" some bars do not accept barfines, they ask you to pay directly to the girl. Angelwitch is one such place I know, though there was nothing to take out from there on my recent visit.I was there for a couple of nights last week, and each of my two experiences were a "pay at the bar" deal. It seemed to me that nothing much had changed, but then I didn't do an extensive bar tour as I'm far too old to tolerate the assault on my ears of what passes for music in many of those places.
GE.
This belongs in the AC Forum. I suggest the boss remove all the other PI Forums if the AC Forum is the appropriate place for economic discussions. Why try and be concise and organized when you have careless BMs here that defend their right to screw things up?
There's no other reason this off topic shite should be here. It's either carelessness or brainlessness. Either of these conditions are not treatable. It's just plain unbelievable.Bottom line from all this is: inflation has caused deflation with the old timers. Only can sit around and talk about the old times. 1 k LT BF 25 years ago. LOL. What did you make 25 years ago?
AC is still happening for me. Last week I visited some outer cities and hit up some previous AC girls and they all came and visited my hotel. 2 k to each for excellent LT.
Btw, I have never had a problem paying the bf before taking bg out. If I ever did it wasn’t worth remembering and regurgitating up again.
Bottom line from all this is: inflation has caused deflation with the old timers. Only can sit around and talk about the old times. 1 k LT BF 25 years ago. LOL. What did you make 25 years ago?
.....Check back here in 2043,25 years from now. There will be posts saying I remember the good old days back in 2018 when BF was 3 to 4 k LT. Then in 2068 it will be remember the good old days in 2043.
For everyone, the good old days in a place was when it was new to them.
2043? I don't think I'll be around for that.
The last time I was in AC I paid only one BF. Then there was a gal who used to work in the bar, but had recently broken up with a foreign BF. She stayed with me for 2 k per day for three days. ST with two other gals who I had met on previous visits. 2 k, both short time and both currently work in the bar. There were three others that I met online and all turned up for ST and I donated 2 k. One was back in town after a break with a foreign BF. One was in town visiting a cousin. The last one was a local gal. One of the tiniest little treats I've had in a long time. Seven gals in seven days. I probably could have negotiated for less, but didn't try. Nor did they seem in the least bit unhappy with two notes.
The point is. AC is still very much affordable.
Check back here in 2043,25 years from now. There will be posts saying I remember the good old days back in 2018 when BF was 3 to 4 k LT. Then in 2068 it will be remember the good old days in 2043.
For everyone, the good old days in a place was when it was new to them.
BrainDrain
09-17-18, 06:08
Does anyone have any economic stats on the pussy index? Available AC Pussy per square meter. I believe it is still one of the highest (certainly higher than my home town) given that the spread starts at Perimeter and 'spreads' all the way to McDo Balibago.
But seriously I am always amazed at the speed at which girls will come into the AC scene or Pinalove scene, can spend a month or so meeting foreigners. If they are looking to get taken out of the town there is always a foreigner prepared to do it.
Had my first experience with a married girl who was still living in AC but married to an EU citizen 3-4 months after the wedding she was meeting guys again. Another friend (non-pro) has been faithful to her fiance for the past 5 months but she too starts to feel the urge when she has to wait another 7 months for his next visit.
If guys want to take girls out of the AC system then you simply have to get them actually out of the place. Staying home and staying faithful isn't in their genes.
Can anyone recommend 'normal' type of bar in Angeles where it's better to meet real local girls not freelancers?
I've had some success recently meeting 25-29 year old university students. But it still feels weird that they wear a school uniform. There was no system that I used, just random connection while going abut my business here.
Happy days continue to AC even if it is rainy.
BD.
Bottom line from all this is: inflation has caused deflation with the old timers. Only can sit around and talk about the old times. 1 k LT BF 25 years ago. LOL. What did you make 25 years ago?
AC is still happening for me. Last week I visited some outer cities and hit up some previous AC girls and they all came and visited my hotel. 2 k to each for excellent LT.
Btw, I have never had a problem paying the bf before taking bg out. If I ever did it wasnt worth remembering and regurgitating up again.I'm a late bloomer, finally getting to Asia in 2010. Things have changed more in Thailand than the PI during the last 8 years. Soi 4 was a dumpy worn out street in 2010 and now full of glitzy new bars and storefronts. Hell, I stayed at The Dynasty Inn my first trip w / all the crusty old guys (sitting at the entrance) gurgling flem. They even made that place semi nice in the last few years. Things have changed dramatically there.
WS in AC was a lot nicer back in early 2011 compared to now. Much more neon and the street surface was better than the farce it is now. I can't say the BG numbers have changed (memory issues) and I can't compare the talent levels from back then to now either. My memory tells me there were more young BGs on Fields. All I know now is on my last visit (8/18) there were many BGs I liked.
I like the finer things in life so I know I won't find any 9's or 10's in AC but there are a several 7's and a few 8's. The place is crawling w / 6's some very cute and fun so I like the place. These to me are still the good old days.
Things have changed in the last 8 years but AC still has a lot of magic if you can make do w / the 6's. The changes I noticed are the BGs are a little more business oriented but slightly, so it's still good. There's still no clock (on your BF) and almost zero BG rules.
Not so in Thailand. Thailand has many 8's and 9's but they come w / fun killing BG rules. Plus the bar starts the "2 hour clock" once you leave w / your BG. So those who don't mind the beautiful shithole AC has always been and can enjoy cute 6's has it made in the PI, and remember 2 6's add up to a 12!
Go to Thailand for the numerous stunners (w restrictions). Go to the PI for the freedom and wild bar hopping fun and of course the loving pinays.
These are still the good old days. AC is my kingdom and there are many fair maidens like this one ready to make the king happy.
I was there for a couple of nights last week, and each of my two experiences were a "pay at the bar" deal. It seemed to me that nothing much had changed, but then I didn't do an extensive bar tour as I'm far too old to tolerate the assault on my ears of what passes for music in many of those places.
GE.Me too GE. And I'm also far too old to tolerate the assault on my eyes of what passes for 'ladies' in many of those places LOL.
When you say long-term do you mean just for the long term of your week stay in AC or do you mean ongoing log term months and years.
For me, long term for a week, look to the bar scene.
Long term for life, look to dating sites and normal jane the all center girl.
BD.I absolutely mean just for the week; or maybe 4 nights then 3/4 nights with another. Just trying to avoid the 'bar scene' as a continual starting point each day.
To have a companion to hang out at the pool, walk with, shop and just companionship along with the 'fun activities' appeals to me as well.
2043? I don't think I'll be around for that.
.....You mean you are not going to come to my 87th birthday party?
More girls, some of whom have not been born yet, for the rest of us then. Your loss LOL.
Wicked Roger
09-17-18, 23:38
Had my first experience with a married girl who was still living in AC but married to an EU citizen 3-4 months after the wedding she was meeting guys again. Another friend (non-pro) has been faithful to her fiance for the past 5 months but she too starts to feel the urge when she has to wait another 7 months for his next visit.
If guys want to take girls out of the AC system then you simply have to get them actually out of the place. Staying home and staying faithful isn't in their genes.
I've had some success recently meeting 25-29 year old university students. But it still feels weird that they wear a school uniform.Met few of the same but mainly not in AC BD. One in a bar who had 4 foreign BFs and her husband just disappeared when they came to town every 6 months or so. Nothing new there. All the foreigner sending her a tidy sum to stay faithful LOL. Met married Cebuanas with a foreign husband a few times who need to the extra 'thrill' but not necessarily the cash. Had to be discreet of course but lots of fun. One I met in a coffee while minding my own business another on the plane to AC (sitting next to me).
As for the schoolie uniform the bizarre thing is they need to wear to university but that is all. One of m favs did buy and extra uniform or two for more party lessons and that is perfectly acceptable use of my cash, her education etc LOL.
BrainDrain
09-18-18, 01:40
You mean you are not going to come to my 87th birthday party?
More girls, some of whom have not been born yet, for the rest of us then. Your loss LOL.You are making me sad when you talk about the girls that we will be punting in 2043 are not even born yet.
I have enough trouble now when I'm chatting my 21 yo friend, thinking about what I was doing in the year of her birth 1997. Well I was punting 21 year old girls then too.
Then my mind runs the other way. From 1997 before I discovered Philippines that pretty 21 year old front desk admin assistant that played around with the 35 year old married guy. Where is she now. She's the high side of 40 with a successful career as a corporate spin doctor. She doesn't write.
Happy days.
BD.
For everyone, the good old days in a place was when it was new to them.True but add to that:
I was young a stoopid with my little head making 95% of my decisions.
Expat "Hardship Allowances" were so much higher then.
I had no concept of watching my money.
I was new to working with different currencies. Anything priced in peso, rupiah or baht resembled a phone number so a few more zeros made no difference, it was still cheap, right?
Asian Economies and Dictatorships were falling one after the other so new girls were flooding the market just to make ends meet.
That lead to:
Packs of guys hitting town and building up an entourage of girls while bar hopping. One on one shortime was for pu $$ies😄.
Taxis were hired for days at a time for $2 per hour.
Buy a book, fridge, car tyre, anything and the pretty cashier might offer "Would you like me to deliver that to your home for you, sir?
"Nothing on TV. . . . let's go to Singapore for the weekend. ".
I'm not whinging about today. There is always fun to be had but, way back when, a perfect storm meant we got up to some crazy shit.
For everyone, the good old days in a place was when it was new to them.Well, for me, I lived in Angeles 1982 -1984 when you could get it for free if you were young and buff and drove a sports car like I did. Even dated a Playboy bunny from the club in Manila. Yet, I'm getting laid more now, and by more beautiful young girls in different parts of the world now, than ever before and I'm 62. So, the good old days are right now for me.
Well, for me, I lived in Angeles 1982 -1984 when you could get it for free if you were young and buff and drove a sports car like I did. Even dated a Playboy bunny from the club in Manila. Yet, I'm getting laid more now, and by more beautiful young girls in different parts of the world now, than ever before and I'm 62. So, the good old days are right now for me.I am 64 and getting laid more now than when I was in my 20's because I have more money now.
I am 64 and getting laid more now than when I was in my 20's because I have more money now.I'm in the same boat, not only more money but one less wife.
Those sort of go together don't they? LOL.
I just got back to CA from a week in Angeles City. This was my 5th trip in 3 years to Angeles City. Wrote this on my way back. So it's fresh off the press.
Day 1: Checked in at The Queens Hotel for 3 days Tues to checkout Friday. 175 US for 3 nights in Deluxe King bed. Nice and clean hotel down the street from walking street. Got a few packs of Kamagra (long packs) the reg little packs are fake! Got 3 shots of Vodka at Phillies for 300 p and was ready to roll! Stopped in Aces bars before WS at 6 pm and the place had about 15 cute 18 yrs plus other hot girls. Took Breanna home ST 2500 p fresh face hottie 8 to 9 in my book. Awesome couple hrs of banging. Gave 300 p tip. 10 pm took home 18 massage girl blonde cutie with braces. 1500 p to bang 200 tip. She had a great tight body and was really active in bed offered BB. But I declined. 3 A. M went down to Hi Society in WS. Always go late hot girls will be drunk and ready to leave with anyone offering 2 to 3000 p. Picked up a long legged l, Brown cutie with green eyes maybe 20 yrs old. She was tipsy already so just danced with her and we were out! 2500 stayed til 12 pm tip 300. Great in bed very horny offered be. Be. But declined.
Day 2: Had same Food, 2, packs of Kamagra, got drunk routine at Phillies for the rest of the trip. I got my food only the SM Mall. Shakeys Pizza and Chili's only. That filled me up every day. 4500 for the week ate pizza and steak in a clean place, all good!
5 pm went to Bannana Bar picked up a blonde green eyed 19 yr named Kim she was perfect! 2500ST. Took her home and had a great time very tight and awesome body. 300 tip and ya offered BB. But no thanks BBJs are good enough for me. She had a great ass for doggy style won't forget it. 930 pm picked a 19 yr cutie massage girl braces, brown skin, big boobs. The massage girls on the street now wear uniforms not last time I visited. 2000 p plus 200 p tip was super tight had get the lube. Fun few hrs with her. Offered be. Be. No thanks. I woke up at 3 am went Hi So Night club again. Picked 19 yr blondie with fake blue eyes, white mini skirt and nice ass. Karla was her name. She was tipsy already but bought her a couple of shots still. Had great time offered BB, no thanks she was really wild in bed let go twice. 3000 stayed till 12 pm. She wore me out big time.
Day 3: Eat, Power up, Drink routine 1st. 6 pm went to Club Atlantis on WS loaded with hot girls and Koreans. Funny but as many as last time. Picked this hottie she was stacked big boobs, nice ass and had that beauty pageant look. 3500 LT. Maria 22 yrs old.
Took her to my room. Banged a couple of times til 1 am. Asked if we could go to Hi So. I agreed it was raining hard that night. Was not trying go walking around. This rain was big time heavy. We got a ride from the queens hotel shuttle to WS for free. Me and Maria got to HiSo around 2 am. Danced and drank it up till 530 am. Went back to room for some more fun let me bang then finish with a nice BBJ. Let her go at 1130 because I had to check out. Sent her home all hung over, felt bad. Gave her 500 tip plus spent 1000 p in drinks for me her. Great time with a super hot girl a 10 in my book. Only regret was I just had 1 girl. I'm not really a long time guy. I like to try a few girls every day. That's why I love it here!
Day 4: Check in at ABC for Friday to check out Tues. Stayed at the Aqua Suite. That's my favorite room to stay at 430 bucks with discounts. Well worth it. I once paid that in CA for a motel 8 during Wrestlemania weekend in Santa Clara! This room has hot tub, built in music system sounds like a club and blue led lighting! Party room for sure. Same Eat, Power up, and drink routine. 6 pm went to WS to club Cosplay. , They had all 18 to 20 yrs in nice sexy uniforms. Nothing less than a 7. I picked this 19 yr hottie w a police uniform. I bought her a lady drink. When I told her I was staying at the ABC she got hella happy! She told her cute friend who was walking by and she wanted to come too. Both were blondies with green fake eyes. The mamason told me 2 for 5000 p if I want. I said yes to it after I asked both if they would play with each other and both said yes. We drank a bottle of vodka that I bought at 7 eleven. All the way to my room a few Koreans gave me some high fives when they saw me with my girls. Funny. The girls and I had a crazy night together! They loved the room and hotel. They were dancing in booty shorts and topless to loud hip hop music I was playing awesome room system. They were in to it, kissing, fingering, and a little licking on ea other. B. B. Was on the table but declined. We all messed around 2 times and finished with ea of them. We partied til 5 am or wen we passed out til 12 pm.
Again it was raining crazy that night so was not trying to go anyways. Best time so far. Gave them 500 tip ea. They wanted to hang out again but I told them I would call them.
Day 5: Same Eat, Power up, and drink routine. 5 pm got a 19 yr Massage girl with braces and short hair. 2500 on WS. Took her to my room and was really happy to be there. She gave me a BBJ and jumped on top of me before I could say condom. She was giggling because she knew I got surprised. I finished in 10 minutes because yes it feels a million times better! She wanted to hang in the room longer offered 1500 p for LT. But I told her I would call her. Took a AZ pill after that. I went to Club Ra and picked up a taller than me hottie she had brown skin and long hair. 21 yes old Gia 3000 p. I told her that I was staying at the ABC and she was very excited. We danced in the room, drank at the Aqua club on top of the hotel and and let me bang her silly a 2 times. She left at 2 pm. She really did not want to go. Offered to stay but told her I had plans. Got her number just in case.
Day 6: Same Eat, sleep, and drink routine. NOTE: The Dallas Cowboys have a game in the morning at 11 am the next morning I'm a big Boys fan and will not miss that game. 0-2 if we lost so I could not miss that game. That being said I got the same 2 girls from Cosplay again 5000 p and ran it again. By 5 am we were knocked out. They gave 2 of the best nights ever in Angeles! BBJs no bbs finished with both. I told them I had to go by 1130 am. They were sad to leave so early but Dallas needs me. Funny.
Day 7: At Phillies watching game with about 20 Dallas Cowboys fans from everywhere. Dallas kicks Giants ass! Go Cowboys!
This was my last night was going be here. So I started it early 3 pm at Banana club. Got the cutest 18 yr I could find. Ricki blondie 2500st. Loved my room of course. Offered be. Be. But declined. Super tight had a great time with her. Sent her off after a few hrs and she too wanted to stay longer. The room is like growing your cock 3 ins longer and makes you look like a stud. Funny. Passed out til 1 am. Last night what the hell went to HiSo picked up a hot 21 yr in a black mini. By the HiSo is loaded with club girls for all taste. 2500 for the rest of the night great time til she found out I leaving in the morning. Started to cry. Still a nice time and fell asleep.
Analysis: I'm a Latino American from Ca, 33 yrs. I have been to Thailand, Mex, and Costa Rica. Angeles for me is still the best time for your money and fun. I'm a not cheap Charlie but I don't think I over spend. I rather pay 1000 p more to have a great time than haggle and have it go weird. You won't fully enjoy it your watching every penny. At least I know I would not. Angeles loaded with hot young girls if got 2500 to 3500. If not you get what you pay for. I will be back in Jan for sure. Also if you can swing it for a few days at the ABC do it. Feeling like a rock star for a few days is life Perspective changing. Keeps you going. Till next time!
I just got back to CA from a week in Angeles City. This was my 5th trip in 3 years to Angeles City. Wrote this on my way back. So it's fresh off the press..Can you elaborate on B. B? What does that mean?
Can you elaborate on B. B? What does that mean?It means Bareback= No condom.
Can you elaborate on B. B? What does that mean?BareBack ie no condom.
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Analysis: I'm a Latino American from Ca, 33 yrs. I have been to Thailand, Mex, and Costa Rica. Angeles for me is still the best time for your money and fun. I'm a not cheap Charlie but I don't think I over spend. I rather pay 1000 p more to have a great time than haggle and have it go weird. You won't fully enjoy it your watching every penny. At least I know I would not. Angeles loaded with hot young girls if got 2500 to 3500. If not you get what you pay for. I will be back in Jan for sure. Also if you can swing it for a few days at the ABC do it. Feeling like a rock star for a few days is life Perspective changing. Keeps you going. Till next time!AC is not my thing but I'd always prefer to pay the extra 1000 (or more) to make the time enjoyable than to risk it going weird or just simply not being fun. To go from a 6 or 7 to an 8 or 9 is usually worth 1000 for me.
I always get a laugh out of the guys here posting that they argued over, and risked ruining their night or their complete trip over 100 p. I mean really? You spend 100,000 p just on airfare and are willing to risk losing the fun of the trip over 100 or even 1000?
I just got back to CA from a week in Angeles City. This was my 5th trip in 3 years to Angeles City. Wrote this on my way back. So it's fresh off the press.
Analysis: I'm a Latino American from Ca, 33 yrs. I have been to Thailand, Mex, and Costa Rica. Angeles for me is still the best time for your money and fun. I'm a not cheap Charlie but I don't think I over spend. I rather pay 1000 p more to have a great time than haggle and have it go weird. You won't fully enjoy it your watching every penny. At least I know I would not. Angeles loaded with hot young girls if got 2500 to 3500. If not you get what you pay for. I will be back in Jan for sure. Also if you can swing it for a few days at the ABC do it. Feeling like a rock star for a few days is life Perspective changing. Keeps you going. Till next time!Fuck dude, take it easy. No one likes an over achiever. . . LOL.
Great to hear you had a fun time. I especially liked your comment about not letting 1000 p be the difference between an awesome and average night.
Great job for a first post 👍 👍 👍.
Does anyone have any information on if any of the bars along Walking Street accept credit cards?
Mr Enternational
09-20-18, 02:12
I especially liked your comment about not letting 1000 p be the difference between an awesome and average night.I read what he said, but spending an extra 1000 pesos does not guarantee anything except that you end the night with 1000 pesos less. I have never thought that I would have had a way better time if I had spent more money. In my experience the time you have has nothing to do with the money you spend. So what type of time would have been had by spending 2000 more pesos or even 5000 more?
This is from the Thailand thread where are BM spent $250 for a rotten time.
OK, here is another problem. How do I handle it? Was at What's Up last night. BF'd a cute girl after buying her and BB's friend a number of drinks. Things were going well, except the girl, Wan, Number 84, can barely understand English. BF'd her, 4000 for her and 2000 to the club. Expensive, but they have a bunch of hot girls. For ST. Back at my place, she was not exactly active, but neither a Star Fish. NO BJ, some light FK and FIV. Started the deed. She was on top for a while, then missionary for a short while then doggie. She started drying out so I put on some lube and went back inside her. She was moaning and doing a little bit of touching me, as well as touching herself, but still pretty low key. But her body is the perfect size and was smooth with a handful of Ts and all else seems to be going well. I am feeling like I will be able to hit the Big O with her, but she was starting to dry out just a little so I pulled out to add more lube so I could make the big run home in comfort. We had been at it for maybe 15 minutes at this point, if that. But when I pull out and reach for the lube, she gets up and heads to the bathroom, then I hear the shower turn on! What the beep? I have been quiet, saying very little, certainly no "OMG I am coming baby! Nor did I suddenly start pumping hard and fast to indicated I came. She comes out dressed and I say, quietly and with no malice, 'I haven't come yet! No comment from her and 15 seconds later she is gone.
I had been a pure gentleman with her! I was showered and smelled good, was respectful of her totally. Didn't force her to do anything, was gentle, quiet, soft spoken, don't smoke or drink, and relatively slender for my age, not ugly or at least overly ugly, . ? Why did she leave and what, if anything should I do.
I really don't want to get her in trouble, especially if I was unknowingly hurting her, but dashing away is unacceptable behavior after I spent close to 8000 be in that club all totaled!
Should I go back with her and get with the friend to interpret and ask her why she left? Should I go in and BF someone else? I don't know if speaking with the mamason would do anygood there. Just slip the club in the future. But despite high prices, they do have the best looking girls on the street. Thanks!
I read what he said, but spending an extra 1000 pesos does not guarantee anything except that you end the night with 1000 pesos less. I have never thought that I would have had a way better time if I had spent more money. In my experience the time you have has nothing to do with the money you spend. So what type of time would have been had by spending 2000 more pesos or even 5000 more?You can generally get a higher quality girl who may not be as prone to taking a runner, gives a better GFE, just looks better, etc.
It does not guarantee anything. There are no guarantees in life but I've found that quality is generally worth the extra price, at least to a reasonable amount.
If you want high quality oats that costs a lot, if average quality oats that is a little less but oats that have been through the horse are a lot less.
I think for one he treated them like a human being to begin with. Two, he is young, gwapo and fun. Three, he treated them like a human female. Four, he didn't treat them like he wanted his money's worth. Five, he showed appreciation to them with a small tip. Six, he knows value over price.
Job will done!
For the rest of the mongers, AC is still dead.
Does anyone have any information on if any of the bars along Walking Street accept credit cards?Yes most bars take Visa, but there is a limit of 500 p to use it. I asked at a few places. Not worth it because you still have to pay your card fees and international Processing fees. Use your card at home and build up that liquid cash witch goes a long way in AC.
Right now you get 53,000 p for 950 bucks that's a lot "Bang" for your buck.
That's an amazing post and so refreshing to read a report other than the economic situation, flights, taxi, cost of coffee. Etc.
Admin can this be moved to the ROD as an indicator on how to write a report and what the main purpose of the AC thread was.
G.
I just got back to CA from a week in Angeles City. This was my 5th trip in 3 years to Angeles City. Wrote this on my way back. So it's fresh off the press.
Day 1: Checked in at The Queens Hotel for 3 days Tues to checkout Friday. 175 US for 3 nights in Deluxe King bed. Nice and clean hotel down the street from walking street. Got a few packs of Kamagra (long packs) the reg little packs are fake! Got 3 shots of Vodka at Phillies for 300 p and was ready to roll! Stopped in Aces bars before WS at 6 pm and the place had about 15 cute 18 yrs plus other hot girls. Took Breanna home ST 2500 p fresh face hottie 8 to 9 in my book. Awesome couple hrs of banging. Gave 300 p tip. 10 pm took home 18 massage girl blonde cutie with braces. 1500 p to bang 200 tip. She had a great tight body and was really active in bed offered BB. But I declined. 3 A. M went down to Hi Society in WS. Always go late hot girls will be drunk and ready to leave with anyone offering 2 to 3000 p. Picked up a long legged l, Brown cutie with green eyes maybe 20 yrs old. She was tipsy already so just danced with her and we were out! 2500 stayed til 12 pm tip 300. Great in bed very horny offered be. Be. But declined.
Day 2: Had same Food, 2, packs of Kamagra, got drunk routine at Phillies for the rest of the trip. I got my food only the SM Mall. Shakeys Pizza and Chili's only. That filled me up every day. 4500 for the week ate pizza and steak in a clean place, all good!
5 pm went to Bannana Bar picked up a blonde green eyed 19 yr named Kim she was perfect! 2500ST. Took her home and had a great time very tight and awesome body. 300 tip and ya offered BB. But no thanks BBJs are good enough for me. She had a great ass for doggy style won't forget it. 930 pm picked a 19 yr cutie massage girl braces, brown skin, big boobs. The massage girls on the street now wear uniforms not last time I visited. 2000 p plus 200 p tip was super tight had get the lube. Fun few hrs with her. Offered be. Be. No thanks. I woke up at 3 am went Hi So Night club again. Picked 19 yr blondie with fake blue eyes, white mini skirt and nice ass. Karla was her name. She was tipsy already but bought her a couple of shots still. Had great time offered BB, no thanks she was really wild in bed let go twice. 3000 stayed till 12 pm. She wore me out big time.
Day 3: Eat, Power up, Drink routine 1st. 6 pm went to Club Atlantis on WS loaded with hot girls and Koreans. Funny but as many as last time. Picked this hottie she was stacked big boobs, nice ass and had that beauty pageant look. 3500 LT. Maria 22 yrs old.
Took her to my room. Banged a couple of times til 1 am. Asked if we could go to Hi So. I agreed it was raining hard that night. Was not trying go walking around. This rain was big time heavy. We got a ride from the queens hotel shuttle to WS for free. Me and Maria got to HiSo around 2 am. Danced and drank it up till 530 am. Went back to room for some more fun let me bang then finish with a nice BBJ. Let her go at 1130 because I had to check out. Sent her home all hung over, felt bad. Gave her 500 tip plus spent 1000 p in drinks for me her. Great time with a super hot girl a 10 in my book. Only regret was I just had 1 girl. I'm not really a long time guy. I like to try a few girls every day. That's why I love it here!
Day 4: Check in at ABC for Friday to check out Tues. Stayed at the Aqua Suite. That's my favorite room to stay at 430 bucks with discounts. Well worth it. I once paid that in CA for a motel 8 during Wrestlemania weekend in Santa Clara! This room has hot tub, built in music system sounds like a club and blue led lighting! Party room for sure. Same Eat, Power up, and drink routine. 6 pm went to WS to club Cosplay. , They had all 18 to 20 yrs in nice sexy uniforms. Nothing less than a 7. I picked this 19 yr hottie w a police uniform. I bought her a lady drink. When I told her I was staying at the ABC she got hella happy! She told her cute friend who was walking by and she wanted to come too. Both were blondies with green fake eyes. The mamason told me 2 for 5000 p if I want. I said yes to it after I asked both if they would play with each other and both said yes. We drank a bottle of vodka that I bought at 7 eleven. All the way to my room a few Koreans gave me some high fives when they saw me with my girls. Funny. The girls and I had a crazy night together! They loved the room and hotel. They were dancing in booty shorts and topless to loud hip hop music I was playing awesome room system. They were in to it, kissing, fingering, and a little licking on ea other. B. B. Was on the table but declined. We all messed around 2 times and finished with ea of them. We partied til 5 am or wen we passed out til 12 pm.
Again it was raining crazy that night so was not trying to go anyways. Best time so far. Gave them 500 tip ea. They wanted to hang out again but I told them I would call them.
Day 5: Same Eat, Power up, and drink routine. 5 pm got a 19 yr Massage girl with braces and short hair. 2500 on WS. Took her to my room and was really happy to be there. She gave me a BBJ and jumped on top of me before I could say condom. She was giggling because she knew I got surprised. I finished in 10 minutes because yes it feels a million times better! She wanted to hang in the room longer offered 1500 p for LT. But I told her I would call her. Took a AZ pill after that. I went to Club Ra and picked up a taller than me hottie she had brown skin and long hair. 21 yes old Gia 3000 p. I told her that I was staying at the ABC and she was very excited. We danced in the room, drank at the Aqua club on top of the hotel and and let me bang her silly a 2 times. She left at 2 pm. She really did not want to go. Offered to stay but told her I had plans. Got her number just in case.
Day 6: Same Eat, sleep, and drink routine. NOTE: The Dallas Cowboys have a game in the morning at 11 am the next morning I'm a big Boys fan and will not miss that game. 0-2 if we lost so I could not miss that game. That being said I got the same 2 girls from Cosplay again 5000 p and ran it again. By 5 am we were knocked out. They gave 2 of the best nights ever in Angeles! BBJs no bbs finished with both. I told them I had to go by 1130 am. They were sad to leave so early but Dallas needs me. Funny.
Day 7: At Phillies watching game with about 20 Dallas Cowboys fans from everywhere. Dallas kicks Giants ass! Go Cowboys!
This was my last night was going be here. So I started it early 3 pm at Banana club. Got the cutest 18 yr I could find. Ricki blondie 2500st. Loved my room of course. Offered be. Be. But declined. Super tight had a great time with her. Sent her off after a few hrs and she too wanted to stay longer. The room is like growing your cock 3 ins longer and makes you look like a stud. Funny. Passed out til 1 am. Last night what the hell went to HiSo picked up a hot 21 yr in a black mini. By the HiSo is loaded with club girls for all taste. 2500 for the rest of the night great time til she found out I leaving in the morning. Started to cry. Still a nice time and fell asleep.
Analysis: I'm a Latino American from Ca, 33 yrs. I have been to Thailand, Mex, and Costa Rica. Angeles for me is still the best time for your money and fun. I'm a not cheap Charlie but I don't think I over spend. I rather pay 1000 p more to have a great time than haggle and have it go weird. You won't fully enjoy it your watching every penny. At least I know I would not. Angeles loaded with hot young girls if got 2500 to 3500. If not you get what you pay for. I will be back in Jan for sure. Also if you can swing it for a few days at the ABC do it. Feeling like a rock star for a few days is life Perspective changing. Keeps you going. Till next time!
In the Manila thread they're currently talking about taxi prices. In the Bangkok thread they're talking about instant coffee. But in the Angeles City thread the only thing allowed is trip reports? How necessary are trip reports in this city? It's about the most point and click place in the world.
"Hey guys, I went into one of the bars you already know about on the street where all the bars are located and I had sex with one for the prices you already know. ".
I think this website is for guys who pay for sex to talk about all aspects related to that. It's nice to see reports and new information too, but in places like this there's not much room for new and innovative posts.
Sorry if you disagree.
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I think this website is for guys who pay for sex to talk about all aspects related to that. It's nice to see reports and new information too, but in places like this there's not much room for new and innovative posts.
Sorry if you disagree.I generally agree with you RR. Many of these non site specific discussions came about as a result of normal conversational drift in the topic.
Some forums are set up that would allow a thread to be relocated to a different area once it got too far off topic but this site was not set up that way. It would be just about impossible to move a thread to a different area as some posts would remain and you would have two discussions ongoing.
As long as there is SOME link to the forum topic then its not a problem. I open all Philippine threads with new posts on them so to me it doesn't matter where the topic is, I will see it and be able to respond or not.
There are trip advisor sites to discuss food, restaurants and other travel incidentals. Hotel booking sites and appropriate hotel forums here for hotel comments. IMHO, generally limp dicks clogged up the sex forums with non sex posts.
Mr Enternational
09-20-18, 13:16
There are trip advisor sites to discuss food, restaurants and other travel incidentals. Hotel booking sites and appropriate hotel forums here for hotel comments. IMHO, generally limp dicks clogged up the sex forums with non sex posts.True this is a sex forum, but many other things go along with sex. So if I get a chick from the bar how do I get back to my hotel with her? This leads to a trike discussion. If I don't want to take her to my room where do I go? This leads to a short time hotel diacussion. If I want to feed the pussy in a place that will accept hookers, where do I go? This leads to a restaurant discussion. I have to pay the chick. This leads to a currency exchange, ATM, price I should or should not pay discussion. And if I want to find the pussy or contact the pussy? This leads to a chat app discussion. Hardly possible for this site to be only about sex when the name International denotes that people from everywhere will be traveling everywhere to look for sex. If it was a local forum where everyone lived there and tended to know the ropes then of course it would be more about just sex.
True this is a sex forum, but many other things go along with sex. So if I get a chick from the bar how do I get back to my hotel with her? This leads to a trike discussion. If I don't want to take her to my room where do I go? This leads to a short time hotel diacussion. If I want to feed the pussy in a place that will accept hookers, where do I go? This leads to a restaurant discussion. I have to pay the chick. This leads to a currency exchange, ATM, price I should or should not pay discussion. And if I want to find the pussy or contact the pussy? This leads to a chat app discussion. Hardly possible for this site to be only about sex when the name International denotes that people from everywhere will be traveling everywhere to look for sex. If it was a local forum where everyone lived there and tended to know the ropes then of course it would be more about just sex.Those are all fine sex related topics. If we can all stick to these it would be great.
Btw, if I got a chick from the bar I would find a way back to the hotel fuck her. If the chick was staying LT I would find a way to feed her and fuck her again.
I understand some people need help in finding the vagina and then help in getting the penis in to the vagina. No problem.
Let’s leave out the old timer shit about “back in the days” and economic lessons and remember when?
Blanquiceleste
09-20-18, 16:25
True this is a sex forum, but many other things go along with sex. So if I get a chick from the bar how do I get back to my hotel with her? This leads to a trike discussion. If I don't want to take her to my room where do I go? This leads to a short time hotel diacussion. If I want to feed the pussy in a place that will accept hookers, where do I go? This leads to a restaurant discussion. I have to pay the chick. This leads to a currency exchange, ATM, price I should or should not pay discussion. And if I want to find the pussy or contact the pussy? This leads to a chat app discussion. Hardly possible for this site to be only about sex when the name International denotes that people from everywhere will be traveling everywhere to look for sex. If it was a local forum where everyone lived there and tended to know the ropes then of course it would be more about just sex.Need help with getting hard / staying hard. Blue pill discussion.
Need rubber. Condom discussion.
Chick can't walk in high heels. Slipper store discussion.
Need a SIM card. Telecom discussion.
The list is endless. Love it.
Those are all fine sex related topics. If we can all stick to these it would be great.
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Lets leave out the old timer shit about back in the days and economic lessons and remember when?Anyone else see the irony of multiple posts not giving FR's or anything sex related while complaining about posts that are not sex related?
I for one skip over the FR's that say I went to this well known bar, only saw the well known regulars, so went to this other well known bar and found the well known regular I was looking for, who I paid the standard price went back to my well known hotel room and did the usual, but I was an incredible stud who did sexual things beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.
Wash, Rinse Repeat.
I just skip over them, I don't complain about them because I understand that some people like to read them and for a newbie to the area, these are invaluable bits of knowledge, same as information on how to get from the airport to AC or what type of SIMM card to get and where to get it, to good restaurants to go to, to what to do during the day between sessions to ways to avoid taxi and other scams to.
If something changes then yes report on it. If its just the same no need for a long Penthouse Letter format,(remember those back in the days when we got information on dead trees?) that only says the usual.
Can you elaborate on B. B? What does that mean?You already know what it means but in case you need to know what other abbreviations mean there's a link to a list at the top of this forum.
Admin can this be moved to the ROD as an indicator on how to write a report and what the main purpose of the AC thread was. G.You can do that yourself by posting a link to the report in the ROD thread. It's not a task for the admin.
In the Manila thread they're currently talking about taxi prices. In the Bangkok thread they're talking about instant coffee. But in the Angeles City thread the only thing allowed is trip reports? How necessary are trip reports in this city? It's about the most point and click place in the world.
"Hey guys, I went into one of the bars you already know about on the street where all the bars are located and I had sex with one for the prices you already know. ".
I think this website is for guys who pay for sex to talk about all aspects related to that. It's nice to see reports and new information too, but in places like this there's not much room for new and innovative posts.
Sorry if you disagree.I totally agree with you RR and I'm a bit surprised that three guys already agreed with you. Some time ago we had the same discussion going on here and I basically said the same things back then as the four of you say now, but I didn't get much support.
Btw, if I got a chick from the bar I would find a way back to the hotel fuck her. If the chick was staying LT I would find a way to feed her and fuck her again.
Why would you want to reinvent the wheel when other guys who have already done those things can give you perfect leads?
Why would you want to reinvent the wheel when other guys who have already done those things can give you perfect leads?There isn't a perfect wheel. I am just saying I will find a way, it could be a same way used by someone before or a new way. Not all leads work for everyone.
I totally agree with you RR and I'm a bit surprised that three guys already agreed with you. Some time ago we had the same discussion going on here and I basically said the same things back then as the four of you say now, but I didn't get much support.I would have agreed with you then, but I was taking one of my long reprieves from the forum for reasons not unlike those I am running into right now!
You already know what it means but in case you need to know what other abbreviations mean there's a link to a list at the top of this forum.Thanks, I certainly knew what BB or B. B. Stood for, put the OP did not use that abbreviation (it was a variation (had not seen before) hence the question.
The Mods have obviously changed some of the text of my original message and OP.
Cheers.
Are there any known bars on (or close) to Walking Street that have 'backrooms' for extra-curricular activities?
Looking for some opportunities for quick brew & some romp fun then off to a bar where I might barfine a keeper for the night back at the crib.
BrainDrain
09-22-18, 00:02
Are there any known bars on (or close) to Walking Street that have 'backrooms' for extra-curricular activities?
Looking for some opportunities for quick brew & some romp fun then off to a bar where I might barfine a keeper for the night back at the crib.Maybe you are PNP looking for evidence for a bust. Where do you usually monger? How about contributing to your home forum?
Looking at your posts you need to tell us a bit more about you.
You questions are naive.
BD.
Anyone else see the irony of multiple posts not giving FR's or anything sex related while complaining about posts that are not sex related?.There shouldn't be problem here regarding content but there is because guys don't think, they just post. The AC Forum should be about AC including how to get from here to there, restaurants, money changers, bars and especially where's the talent, BF and drink prices, pool parties etc. But how to get to Subic from Manila does not belong yet guys ask that shit. They just don't think, they used to but not any longer. So what do you get when the Forum is 80% off topic as it can for several pages when guys mindlessly chat about off topic crap? You get very little if you're interested in what's going on in AC.
Guys here seem to rely on this site just to pass time. They say: what would we do without the off topic issues? The Forum would be empty. Well it wouldn't. If you need to pass the time on a limitless issues just read the General Forum. That'll get you through the night.
If an AC discussion veers off topic for several post then move the discussion. It ain't rocket science. Have some respect for the guys who play by the rules. If it weren't for the mentally handicapped here the irony wouldn't exist. And yes, I can do without the Letters to Penthouse too but at least they're on topic.
My qualifiers. AC Action very few here can deliver. Pics are better than words but ironically that's not very doable w / this generation. Keep the Forum clean but granted logic just don't fly like it once did.
PedroMorales
09-22-18, 10:23
If an AC discussion veers off topic for several post then move the discussion. It ain't rocket science. Have some respect for the guys who play by the rules. If it weren't for the mentally handicapped here the irony wouldn't exist. And yes, I can do without the Letters to Penthouse too but at least they're on topic.Less is more. Walking Street is full of women. Asking for help finding one is like a lion being at an African river crossing as the wildebeest charge across and asking his mate where can he get lunch. If you walk around Walking Street at most any civilised time (not when the muggers are on duty), or if you shoot the breeze with the other guys in your monger hotel, you will see that the conversation veers exactly like this. I get most people here and elsewhere are interested in pictures but the only body that concerns me is the one I am bonking and I long ago gave up taking pictures of them as I don't see the point.
Perhaps what you need is a youtube hot to video. I find them useful for the most obvious things. I was bonking an American airline hostess yesterday and she was so good I asked her where did she learn her tricks. I meant it.
As regards changing money, I used the one third down from the corner opposite the jeepney depot. I know there is a cheaper one but I can't be AR $ed finding it.
Are there any known bars on (or close) to Walking Street that have 'backrooms' for extra-curricular activities?
Looking for some opportunities for quick brew & some romp fun then off to a bar where I might barfine a keeper for the night back at the crib.It was a long time ago but I found a back door because a gal was being a bit too clingy. It probably wouldn't work today with all the telecommunication connectivity.
Maybe you are PNP looking for evidence for a bust. Where do you usually monger? How about contributing to your home forum?
Looking at your posts you need to tell us a bit more about you.
You questions are naive.
BD.Fair enough BrainDrain.
I have been in the hobby for a long time more than 40. So that ages me somewhat.
I have traveled the world and partaking in many local offerings.
I have spent a lot of time in SE Asia, but never have been to Angeles City or Subic; for reasons that I was happy and quite occupied in my other frequent locations. Perhaps also that my work has never had me in those locations. Although I have been to Manila several times. In fact I had a long-time GF in Cebu that I spent a lot of time relatively, in the past few years. She was my local contact in Cebu, although I found a lot of fun in that city (not without a lot of social media work) and also on Bohol and Dumaguete. Plus a few other islands, but pickings are slim if you don't BYOB.
Most recent years I have been in Bangkok, Pattaya, Cambodia and a few other neighboring countries.
AC intrigues me because I have seen so much on blogs and sites devoted to the subject and unfortunately Stickman has moved away (closed new posts.).
So, without any firsthand knowledge of AC, and seeing how compact it is set up, and a great ratio of PPM (pussy per square meter) I have a lot of questions (sorry about that).
I don't understand the politics of these raids, although I guess it's like any government that both punishes yet promotes certain activities. After all, certain P4P adds (by most estimates) to 15% or more to the GDP of the Philippines.
I am not naive in any definition of the word (an ole timer, rather) it is just that I have no exposure to AC.
If you need more, feel free to DM me and I'm glad to share more with you, if needed.
It was a long time ago but I found a back door because a gal was being a bit too clingy. It probably wouldn't work today with all the telecommunication connectivity.Ha Ha! Not a 'back door' and the 'back doors' I would be interested would be nestled between two firm cheeks!
But thanks anyway!
Wicked Roger
09-23-18, 00:41
Are there any known bars on (or close) to Walking Street that have 'backrooms' for extra-curricular activities?
Looking for some opportunities for quick brew & some romp fun then off to a bar where I might barfine a keeper for the night back at the crib.This is something best left off the board just in case so can you PM please as then this can be answered.
Look forward to the PM.
GoodEnough
09-23-18, 01:09
Fair enough BrainDrain.
I have been in the hobby for a long time more than 40. So that ages me somewhat.
I have traveled the world and partaking in many local offerings.
I have spent a lot of time in SE Asia, but never have been to Angeles City or Subic; for reasons that I was happy and quite occupied in my other frequent locations. Perhaps also that my work has never had me in those locations. Although I have been to Manila several times. In fact I had a long-time GF in Cebu that I spent a lot of time relatively, in the past few years. She was my local contact in Cebu, although I found a lot of fun in that city (not without a lot of social media work) and also on Bohol and Dumaguete. Plus a few other islands, but pickings are slim if you don't BYOB.
Most recent years I have been in Bangkok, Pattaya, Cambodia and a few other neighboring countries.
AC intrigues me because I have seen so much on blogs and sites devoted to the subject and unfortunately Stickman has moved away (closed new posts.).
So, without any firsthand knowledge of AC, and seeing how compact it is set up, and a great ratio of PPM (pussy per square meter) I have a lot of questions (sorry about that).
I don't understand the politics of these raids, although I guess it's like any government that both punishes yet promotes certain activities. After all, certain P4P adds (by most estimates) to 15% or more to the GDP of the Philippines.
I am not naive in any definition of the word (an ole timer, rather) it is just that I have no exposure to AC.
If you need more, feel free to DM me and I'm glad to share more with you, if needed.So "most estimates" indicate that sex tourism contributes more than 15% to the country's GDP. Could you cite two or three sources for this information? I ask because I read quite a few economic analyses of this place, and I've never seen this statistic, which I'm guessing does not exist.
Just for the hell of it, I took a look at the “Philippines Journal of Statistics,” which estimates that the total contribution of all international tourism to the GDP of the country is roughly 8.8%.
GE.
So "most estimates" indicate that sex tourism contributes more than 15% to the country's GDP. Could you cite two or three sources for this information? I ask because I read quite a few economic analyses of this place, and I've never seen this statistic, which I'm guessing does not exist.
Just for the hell of it, I took a look at the Philippines Journal of Statistics, which estimates that the total contribution of all international tourism to the GDP of the country is roughly 8.8%.
GE.For 15 %of GDP the whole young girl population has to prostitute and there should be brothels all over the country. Visitors has to enmasse coming for one reason. Even Thailand with its famous reputation does not generate that much business. Thailand depends on its tourist locations, resorts for its economy.
Most of Philippines are dry give or take few online hook ups. Entertainment businesses who pay taxes are minuscule. Country's economy does not depend on sex tourists except few locations like Angeles City. Even there the girls are not easy even if they are bargirls. They pick and choose who they want to be with. Not all the girls are available like a brothel.
Yes, Angeles is fun for sex if you do not mind some rejections.
Blanquiceleste
09-23-18, 03:10
Country's economy does not depend on sex tourists except few locations like Angeles City. Even there the girls are not easy even if they are bargirls. They pick and choose who they want to be with. Not all the girls are available like a brothelEven Angeles does not depend solely on sex tourism for survival. If go around to the Nepo Quad area you will see the real economic powerhouse of the city. Call Centers / BPO shops. And there is Clarke Freeport Zone.
For 15 %of GDP the whole young girl population has to prostitute and there should be brothels all over the country. Visitors has to enmasse coming for one reason. Even Thailand with its famous reputation does not generate that much business. Thailand depends on its tourist locations, resorts for its economy.....OFW remittances is about 10% of GDP, tourism is around 12% so the claim that sex tourism is 15% is simply unbelievable.
https://psa.gov.ph/content/contribution-tourism-economy-122-percent-2017
https://www.rappler.com/business/196148-philippines-ofw-remittances-december-2017
This took about a minute on Google, why do people repeat numbers that they heard somewhere from someone without doing even basic fact checking or even giving it the basic smell test. Sex tourism is pretty well limited to the 3 red light districts in Manila, AC, and some in Cebu. To get to 15% of GDP it would have to be extremely widespread in all parts of the country or the major industry in a large center.
Remember Metro Manila and the associated surrounding communities is only around 20% of the total population so to generate 15% would take a sizable city strictly devoted to sex tourism and that does not exist anywhere.
Mr Enternational
09-23-18, 04:22
Remember Metro Manila and the associated surrounding communities is only around 20% of the total population so to generate 15% would take a sizable city strictly devoted to sex tourism and that does not exist anywhere.Anyone that has ever mongered in PI is sure to laugh at the OP's statement. Whenever I am on a plane to PI I am usually the only monger that I can pick out among 200 people. I would say there would need to at least be 30 mongers on each plane arriving into PI to accomplish such a feat. 95% of the people that are on the planes that I have been on are either Filipinos that live overseas and are coming home to visit, or Filipinos that have been traveling abroad and are returning home. Usually when I see a foreigner they are with a Filipino spouse or with their foreign spouse. I never see many single foreign guys on the planes to PI, certainly not enough to contribute 15% to the GDP.
Mr Enternational
09-24-18, 20:59
What is with Filipina hookers sucking dick with the assistance of a towel? Every 5 sucks they spit into the towel. Is there someplace in PI that this is being taught? No other chicks around the world do this. It drives me fucking crazy. I usually snatch the towel and throw it across the room.
What is with Filipina hookers sucking dick with the assistance of a towel? Every 5 sucks they spit into the towel. Is there someplace in PI that this is being taught? No other chicks around the world do this. It drives me fucking crazy. I usually snatch the towel and throw it across the room.They must have learned from their Chnese cousins. Chinese are notorious for spitting into a bucket while doing BBBJ.
This is something best left off the board just in case so can you PM please as then this can be answered.
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Just got back from Angeles after a 2 day trip. Was going in hoping it would be my last. Hoping that I would be so disillusioned by the city that I would never want to come back. Objective failed. Instead, I was reminded why I am so addicted to the place.
This marks my fourth trip in the period of about 2 years. I am the type of person that resonates with GFE or porn like sex. This trip, I received both. In as much as 2'ish days.
FYI: Stayed at the Central Power Tower Resort which was solid. Lower cost than ABC, within close proximity to WS, and most importantly had nice rooms (not run down and not flashy).
Day 1 - Thursday (technically Friday).
Arrived on Thursday night 2 am at Clarke Airport. Dead tired. I wouldn't let this deny me so I headed down to WS. After barhopping for awhile, I eventually parked myself at Dollhouse. Got to chatting with the waitress who eventually turned into my general manager of recommending the right girl to suit my interests. She ended up helping me pick out a cutie that matched my profile: Cute, fun, and not a runner. The unfortunate thing is that Dollhouse was charging 3500 which placed me in negotiation mode do to my part of pushing back against higher rates. But. There was no budging. The only thing in my favor was the proximity to closing time and this led to a negotiation between cutie and me to strike a 3000 deal that she would further align with the waitress. End up taking cutie back to the room and had some great passionate sex. Condom fell off at one point which freaks me out a bit, but the experience overall was a 10.
Day 2 - Friday.
During the afternoon, I head over to Ponytails. I recall reading great things about the place, but never ventured inside during the previous 3 trips. The place was so-so and did not meet my high expectations. Out of the 30 or so girls, I did spot a cutie that I had to have. Immediately offered her a drink and knew we were compatible. Eventually her friend comes by and begins to hang out which in retrospect was their way of helping each other out with a bar drink. Whatever. The next thing I know, I am in the middle of negotiating to bring both girls back with the promise of a good tip if they played with each other. This would be a first time for them, but inspired by the possibility of a good tip they were down. I was nice and told them if they were passive and if they did not want to be overly sexual with each other that it would be ok. Simply no tip. But if they were nasty, I was more than willing to be generous. Capitalism at it's finest and boy did they not disappoint. To make a long story short, I got myself a BBBJ sandwich, observed plenty of girl on girl kissing, and was banging one while the other girl licked her out. What a beautiful thing. The only unfortunate thing is that these girls left after 6 or so hours versus my preferred LT. Barfine at Ponytails was 2500.
Fast forward to night time and was ready for my 2nd round. This was probably my worst night ever in Angeles. I bar hopped several bars on WS, hoping to find my next cutie. Maybe due to a late start, I encountered 5's and 6's. I'm only an 8 and above type of person so I kept searching. Eventually, a couple of girls stood out in Atlantis which was asking for 3500 barfine. Laser beamed one of them and I got the cross-armed denial. Ouch!. Tried a second girl and same thing. 2 different girls and 2 rejections. Whatever. So I moved on to a different bar and found an 8 which is borderline 'ok' for me, but she exuded nastiness so I was interested. I immediately pursued barfine, but was rejected again. Menstruation. 0-3 WTF! I eventually decided to call it a night and got some sleep solo. My post game analysis suggested that my only problem was my late start, combined with my pickiness to barfine 8's or above (they were gone by now), and the only 8 and above's were around in the late hours for a reason. They weren't available.
Day 3 - Saturday.
Met up with a previous gal I met and had beautiful GFE.
All in all. Angeles continues to be an amazing place for a monger such as myself. It satisfies 4 main criteria: Cute girls, english speaking for GFE, porn like experience (PLE? And low relative cost (I live in the US).
I'll be back.
Albert9989
09-25-18, 13:47
Just got back from Angeles after a 2 day trip. Was going in hoping it would be my last. Hoping that I would be so disillusioned by the city that I would never want to come back. Objective failed. Instead, I was reminded why I am so addicted to the place.
This marks my fourth trip in the period of about 2 years. I am the type of person that resonates with GFE or porn like sex. This trip, I received both. In as much as 2'ish days.
FYI: Stayed at the Central Power Tower Resort which was solid. Lower cost than ABC, within close proximity to WS, and most importantly had nice rooms (not run down and not flashy).
All in all. Angeles continues to be an amazing place for a monger such as myself. It satisfies 4 main criteria: Cute girls, english speaking for GFE, porn like experience (PLE? And low relative cost (I live in the US).
I'll be back.Hi, thanks for this nice report, I never went to Phil and I am not experienced in bar girls which need to barfine them. But when I read that, barfine can be up to 3000 or more, with the same amount for the girl if I understand well, which leads to something around 100 Euros (I am from France) for one night or may one ST?
Correct me if I misunderstood.
Mr Enternational
09-25-18, 14:42
Hi, thanks for this nice report, I never went to Phil and I am not experienced in bar girls which need to barfine them. But when I read that, barfine can be up to 3000 or more, with the same amount for the girl if I understand well, which leads to something around 100 Euros (I am from France) for one night or may one ST?
Correct me if I misunderstood.In Angeles you only pay one fee. You do not have to give the girl more. She gets half the money that you paid to the bar. One night or short time is depending on the girl. The fee you paid is for the night but sometimes the girl will try to leave early.
Albert9989
09-25-18, 14:46
In Angeles you only pay one fee. You do not have to give the girl more. She gets half the money that you paid to the bar. One night or short time is depending on the girl. The fee you paid is for the night but sometimes the girl will try to leave early.Thanks, so I misunderstood, now its clearer.
NamasteParis
09-25-18, 15:12
Hi, thanks for this nice report, I never went to Phil and I am not experienced in bar girls which need to barfine them. But when I read that, barfine can be up to 3000 or more, with the same amount for the girl if I understand well, which leads to something around 100 Euros (I am from France) for one night or may one ST?
Correct me if I misunderstood.If you go back to the 17th of this month in this same forum, this was extensively explained.
GoodEnough
09-25-18, 15:25
If you go back to the 17th of this month in this same forum, this was extensively explained.At current rates, Php3,000 is about $58, which is more or less Euro54.
All in all. Angeles continues to be an amazing place for a monger such as myself. It satisfies 4 main criteria: Cute girls, english speaking for GFE, porn like experience (PLE? And low relative cost (I live in the US).
I'll be back.Nice report and your final sentence says it all.
How late was your night two started when you went to Atlantis, since you surmised you had started 'late' according to your report?
BrainDrain
09-25-18, 23:43
Menstruation. 0-3 WTF! I eventually decided to call it a night and got some sleep solo. My post game analysis suggested that my only problem was my late start, combined with my pickiness to barfine 8's or above (they were gone by now), and the only 8 and above's were around in the late hours for a reason. They weren't available.
I'll be back.Thanks for the FR. I've had a similar night where you just wonder "how had can it be" and we huff off to sleep by ourselves.
Enjoy the PH.
BD.
What is with Filipina hookers sucking dick with the assistance of a towel? Every 5 sucks they spit into the towel. Is there someplace in PI that this is being taught? No other chicks around the world do this. It drives me fucking crazy. I usually snatch the towel and throw it across the room.I have encountered 2-3 Thai girls who do that, all were P4P. I'll stop it right away, too, but usually by just ending the session, paying them a nominal amount for their time and putting them out of the room, unless they are up for BBFS, where they can still offer me some P4P value. Otherwise, no. On the premise that the BBBJ was supposed to be leading to a CIM finish and not only done as oral foreplay, there is no way a girl who engages in that kind of suck/wipe/suck/wipe behavior could possible provide a proper CIM finish, imo. So I would rather not cum in an emergency act of masturbation at the end of some horrible nightmare of repetitive "bj instruction" and save my ejaculate for the next girl an hour or so later.
Interesting though that I have never been with a Philippina who has done that. But it has been at least 20 years since I have been in the Philippines so I'm sure many things have changed. I mentioned a few months back how alarming it was to see that almost NONE of the girls listed on Smooci Manila included CIM in their list of provided services. From my experiences with Philippino women, that was unimaginable, especially Manila girls.
They must have learned from their Chnese cousins. Chinese are notorious for spitting into a bucket while doing BBBJ.I have a old girlfriend in Beijing that would do this when I first started seeing her in 2011, and then ***** if I did CIM. I noticed when we were together in July she doesn't spit anymore and was telling me I could CIM "no problem". She is getting older so I guess she is trying to hang on to her customer base, or maybe I just taste better now. LOL.
RandMcNasty
09-26-18, 04:13
What is with Filipina hookers sucking dick with the assistance of a towel? Every 5 sucks they spit into the towel. Is there someplace in PI that this is being taught? No other chicks around the world do this. It drives me fucking crazy. I usually snatch the towel and throw it across the room.As someone who has an unusually large amount of pre-cum (and who isn't as consistent of a monger as some here) I have had "The Towel" on more than one occasion in the Asian places I frequent when in New York. Yeah, pretty annoying, but I haven't brought myself to actually put a stop to it.
Side story, while in Montreal I made the mistake of picking the cutest girl from the website. Her attitude was bad, and she did "The Towel" right away. Her performance was so bad in other ways that after only 5 minutes I just said I was going to leave.
At this point, she of course got angry with me but let me leave, particularly since I wasn't going to ask for my money back at that point. But I did call the papasan and express my displeasure. He apologized, and I had hoped he would offer a replacement but didn't. So I left a bad review that night on a Montreal board and he texted me back, pissed as hell. Then he said that she was worried I had given her an STD because of the precum. Whatever hon.
Fortunately, I found a much better provider later that evening.
Nice report and your final sentence says it all.
How late was your night two started when you went to Atlantis, since you surmised you had started 'late' according to your report?Can't provide you an accurate answer? Sorry. I had very little sleep and very lot of beer this past trip. I know it wasn't in the 6 to 8 pm time frame. More towards 10 to 11. But I compound this with the fact it was a Friday night which I can imagine to be a peak night.
Who knows? Maybe it was just bad luck for me that day. But I tell you what, in my 16 years of partaking in the hobby, my money has never been rejected for a little playtime.
My silver lining. I really needed the sleep.
Can't provide you an accurate answer? Sorry. I had very little sleep and very lot of beer this past trip. I know it wasn't in the 6 to 8 pm time frame. More towards 10 to 11. But I compound this with the fact it was a Friday night which I can imagine to be a peak night.
Who knows? Maybe it was just bad luck for me that day. But I tell you what, in my 16 years of partaking in the hobby, my money has never been rejected for a little playtime.
My silver lining. I really needed the sleep.I got rejected several times during my only visit to AC and spent the night alone as well. It was quite a blow to my ego, that I couldn't get laid in AC even if I payed for it. But I like your theory that the only pretty ones left when I went out were the ones who don't barfine. Yes, that must be the reason.
As someone who has an unusually large amount of pre-cum (and who isn't as consistent of a monger as some here) I have had "The Towel" on more than one occasion in the Asian places I frequent when in New York. Yeah, pretty annoying, but I haven't brought myself to actually put a stop to it..............I used to get the spitting when I used to hobby in CP, China. I would return the favor in DATY, I would spit into a towel after every few seconds. I can be petty sometimes.
The weekends can be pretty crazy. The dancers, friendly gals, and the patrons increase. I'm guessing that a lot of guys head north from Manila and also fly in for the weekend from parts unknown. Hotel rooms and gorgeous women become more scarce.
Alcoholic fog is always a big detriment. Adding 16 years to your prime days is also a bit of a downer (30 for me).
Can't provide you an accurate answer? Sorry. I had very little sleep and very lot of beer this past trip. I know it wasn't in the 6 to 8 pm time frame. More towards 10 to 11. But I compound this with the fact it was a Friday night which I can imagine to be a peak night.
Who knows? Maybe it was just bad luck for me that day. But I tell you what, in my 16 years of partaking in the hobby, my money has never been rejected for a little playtime.
My silver lining. I really needed the sleep.
I used to get the spitting when I used to hobby in CP, China. I would return the favor in DATY, I would spit into a towel after every few seconds. I can be petty sometimes.I have yet to experience this in the Philippines and I have spent most of my time in Cebu, Bohol, Manila and Dumaguete areas.
I am pretty consistent in my initial vetting with a bar girl before BF'ing her. I tell her what I like, ask if she will do x, why & z and explain what my expectations are. But make it clear that if she's not into it then I am not going to barfine her.
I did experience this in Bangkok in the past year, but that was off a Thermae gal and we had quite the discussion. Ended up with me giving her 500 baht for her time and efforts and we said goodbye as I headed back to find an alternate.
Blanquiceleste
09-27-18, 01:29
The weekends can be pretty crazy. The dancers, friendly gals, and the patrons increase. I'm guessing that a lot of guys head north from Manila and also fly in for the weekend from parts unknown. Hotel rooms and gorgeous women become more scarce.
Alcoholic fog is always a big detriment. Adding 16 years to your prime days is also a bit of a downer (30 for me).Absolutely true. I would add Wednesdays to the list when girls in bars are in plenty, simply because that is pay day at most bars. So girls show up to get paid. Thursdays are probably the leanest as the girls go off to blow their week's earnings on some nasty trike driver.
In fact, I got word from a girl at one of the better run bars on WS yesterday, that there was a 3 hour lock down at their bar. Some big group from Singapore had come in and commandeered the entire bar. Don't know what they spent but it was free for all booze for 3 hours. At the end of that 3 hours they did not take a single girl with them. Go figure.
I thought the days of lockdown were long gone.
RandMcNasty
09-27-18, 02:23
I may be in the general area for work at such a time as I could take a detour to AC but it could be over Christmas or New Years. How slim will the pickings be? Will everybody be back with their families? Or will there be enough fun to be had to warrant the detour?
It's not too bad. Some of the hotter ladies have enough money that missing a week of work is not a problem. One strategy would be to go to a sns site like PinayLove and find gals who live in the area. I do remember the bars closing early one night. Maybe New Year's eve.
I may be in the general area for work at such a time as I could take a detour to AC but it could be over Christmas or New Years. How slim will the pickings be? Will everybody be back with their families? Or will there be enough fun to be had to warrant the detour?
Blanquiceleste
09-27-18, 16:14
I may be in the general area for work at such a time as I could take a detour to AC but it could be over Christmas or New Years. How slim will the pickings be? Will everybody be back with their families? Or will there be enough fun to be had to warrant the detour?Don't worry about that. The place is as packed as ever. Santa does not put food on the table, the girls still need to make money.
I was there a few years back during Christmas and New Year. Fabulous time. Yes, the flights fares and hotel tariffs will be more expensive, be prepared to shell out a small fortune there.
Chitown212
09-28-18, 07:05
I got rejected several times during my only visit to AC and spent the night alone as well. It was quite a blow to my ego, that I couldn't get laid in AC even if I payed for it. But I like your theory that the only pretty ones left when I went out were the ones who don't barfine. Yes, that must be the reason.Are you Indian?
The only guys I saw get turned down repeatedly were Indian guys.
I wasn't turned down once. Just seems peculiar to me.
Are you Indian?
The only guys I saw get turned down repeatedly were Indian guys.
I wasn't turned down once. Just seems peculiar to me.I'm about as white as they come. But I'm picky as well. The handful of girls I picked that did not pick me had various reasons. Virgin, menstruate, and plain old "no like". I'm 6' tall, early 50's, athletic build, dress well, but I wouldn't call myself handsome. Maybe the bulging pocket rocket scared them. But I have MUCH better luck getting the type of girl I want in Manila.
AsianRider
09-29-18, 17:01
In Angeles City two weeks ago. Just want to update with some current barfine prices. Down Perimeter Road Nightmares was the cheapest at 1,700. Not the best line-up of girls but a friendly bar aimed at drinkers. Candy was 2,000 girls line-up varied each visit. Ponytails is back down to 2,500 now, and a decent number of dancers, but bar inside is looking old, aircon leaking etc. Lot of Perimeter girl ladies were not staying the night, need to do your "interview" diligently. Down in Walking Street, Champagne was 3,500, small bar with good music. Club XC had a variety of prices but the show dancer I wanted was 4,500 which I didn't take. WeChat had a lot of girls and ladyboys, 1,500 to 2,000 were the most requested numbers. New thai restaurant in the ABC car-park was pretty decent.
In Angeles City two weeks ago. Just want to update with some current barfine prices. Down Perimeter Road Nightmares was the cheapest at 1,700. Not the best line-up of girls but a friendly bar aimed at drinkers. Candy was 2,000 girls line-up varied each visit. Ponytails is back down to 2,500 now, and a decent number of dancers, but bar inside is looking old, aircon leaking etc. Lot of Perimeter girl ladies were not staying the night, need to do your "interview" diligently. Down in Walking Street, Champagne was 3,500, small bar with good music. Club XC had a variety of prices but the show dancer I wanted was 4,500 which I didn't take. WeChat had a lot of girls and ladyboys, 1,500 to 2,000 were the most requested numbers. New thai restaurant in the ABC car-park was pretty decent.Good info, interesting about the 4.5 K BF offer. It was probably her way of being nice about refusing you. They usually use the "I have blood" option. Ponytails is hit and miss and I like the darkness (and aircon) of the place but it has lead me to some mistake BFs. Maybe take your prospective Ponytail BG outside or mens room before you make the call on her LOL. Good to hear they lowered their prices because after all they are a Perimeter bar. Don't want that 3 K shit spreading to the other Perimeter bars. I'm heading to Colombia and it's a whole different ballgame there. Thanks again for keeping the AC Forum the AC Forum.
I got rejected several times during my only visit to AC and spent the night alone as well. It was quite a blow to my ego, that I couldn't get laid in AC even if I payed for it. But I like your theory that the only pretty ones left when I went out were the ones who don't barfine. Yes, that must be the reason.Very rare to get rejected by every girl. If you are going for stunners only it is possible. It is better to lower your standards even though sometimes it feels like highway robbery to pay good money to somebody below par. Some of the below par ones have less mileage and will provide better sex. And we are there for sex, not parading girls around. It is not a regular date. Reasons such as mens, tired, need to go home to baby etc are not always genuine. It is to fool you and the bar. Bars do not like if a girl constantly rejects barfine.
If you are not getting a girl for the night hit the discos, hit dating sites. There are plenty of girls on dating sites in Angeles looking for money. Most maybe ex bargirls who left the bar after being knocked up. My preference is girls who have a daytime job.
Member #4644
09-30-18, 01:04
First timer to Angeles and trying to decide between two hotels.
The rooms I want at ABC come out to 7500 pesos per night and at Queens 5000 pesos. I'm open to spending more if its much better.
Whats the consensus? Is ABC worth the extra 50%? The one plus I see for Queens is that its much closer to walking street.
First timer to Angeles and trying to decide between two hotels.
The rooms I want at ABC come out to 7500 pesos per night and at Queens 5000 pesos. I'm open to spending more if its much better.
Whats the consensus? Is ABC worth the extra 50%? The one plus I see for Queens is that its much closer to walking street.I like both hotels, but the rooms at the ABC are much, much nicer.
AsianRider
09-30-18, 13:55
Good info, interesting about the 4.5 K BF offer. It was probably her way of being nice about refusing you. They usually use the "I have blood" option. Ponytails is hit and miss and I like the darkness (and aircon) of the place but it has lead me to some mistake BFs. Maybe take your prospective Ponytail BG outside or mens room before you make the call on her LOL. Good to hear they lowered their prices because after all they are a Perimeter bar. Don't want that 3 K shit spreading to the other Perimeter bars. I'm heading to Colombia and it's a whole different ballgame there. Thanks again for keeping the AC Forum the AC Forum.The 4.5 k girl from Club XS was a friend of mine. Knew her when she was just a dancer and bar-fineable at 3 k, now she does these choreographed dance routines they classify her as a model, and put the bar-fine up. She is slim but definitely not model material!
Blanquiceleste
09-30-18, 15:16
Are you Indian?
The only guys I saw get turned down repeatedly were Indian guys.
I wasn't turned down once. Just seems peculiar to me.That is plenty of observation with just 2 posts. If you had been paying more attention you would have gathered that the Philippines (and other mongering destinations in SEA) are fast turning into Asian strongholds (read Japanese / Korean / Chinese), not just for business but for poon as well.
A lot of western men get turned down in AC. No surprise there. Just move on to the next girl.
Blanquiceleste
09-30-18, 15:19
First timer to Angeles and trying to decide between two hotels.
The rooms I want at ABC come out to 7500 pesos per night and at Queens 5000 pesos. I'm open to spending more if its much better.
Whats the consensus? Is ABC worth the extra 50%? The one plus I see for Queens is that its much closer to walking street.Without any doubt, ABC has to be your choice for stay.
Blanquiceleste
09-30-18, 15:19
Down Perimeter Road Nightmares was the cheapest at 1,700. Not the best line-up of girls but a friendly bar aimed at drinkers. You mean Night Moves?
ABC wins hands down. Don't worry about distance as it's still walking distance plus they offer free transport.
I am there in 3 weeks. Arrive on 21st Oct. And will park myself at the abc.
If anyone wants to meet up pm me.
G.
First timer to Angeles and trying to decide between two hotels.
The rooms I want at ABC come out to 7500 pesos per night and at Queens 5000 pesos. I'm open to spending more if its much better.
Whats the consensus? Is ABC worth the extra 50%? The one plus I see for Queens is that its much closer to walking street.
That is plenty of observation with just 2 posts. If you had been paying more attention you would have gathered that the Philippines (and other mongering destinations in SEA) are fast turning into Asian strongholds (read Japanese / Korean / Chinese), not just for business but for poon as well.
A lot of western men get turned down in AC. No surprise there. Just move on to the next girl.Why is this occurring?
Why is this occurring?Because.
1. They have more money now to spend.
2. Lack of low price php in their home country.
3. 2-4 hour flights. Low cost flights.
4. Low hotel costs.
5. No one at home knows they are on sex tours. Much discretion. Wife and kids will never know.
I know an American working in Hong Kong that has a real good job that pays well. Every other weekend he is in AC barfining everything. He told me it’s a 2 hour flight and no one at work knows his hobby. Matter of fact he stays in hotels much below his pay grade so he doesn’t bump into business or work mates.
DzikaBomba
09-30-18, 19:57
That is plenty of observation with just 2 posts. If you had been paying more attention you would have gathered that the Philippines (and other mongering destinations in SEA) are fast turning into Asian strongholds (read Japanese / Korean / Chinese), not just for business but for poon as well.
I found that out that not everyone likes Koreas Sex Tourism in AC haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAa8v34wFSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F53mP4US_k
"Koreans giant Sex Amusement Park".
Chitown212
09-30-18, 22:42
That is plenty of observation with just 2 posts. If you had been paying more attention you would have gathered that the Philippines (and other mongering destinations in SEA) are fast turning into Asian strongholds (read Japanese / Korean / Chinese), not just for business but for poon as well.
A lot of western men get turned down in AC. No surprise there. Just move on to the next girl.I only have 2 posts but I had a previous handle I lost control over that had several hundred posts. I have a lot of mongering experience and just got back from 3 weeks in AC. I will write up a report when I get a chance.
But I didn't see white people being rejected.
Indians get rejected a lot all over the world because they have a horrible reputation. White people routinely getting turned down seems like hype. There are a lot of Korean / Japanese / Chinese there now but I don't see that leading to white people getting routinely turned down. That sounds like sensationalism to me.
Why is this occurring?They are going to highest bidder and easy marks. Some girls have multiple hands in their pocket and competition for their earnings. (see dependents) Plus a couple decades ago a working girl career was relatively short. I lament the increase in 40+ yo working girls. They find East Asian customers less demanding and more generous.
Blanquiceleste
10-01-18, 01:11
I only have 2 posts but I had a previous handle I lost control over that had several hundred posts. I have a lot of mongering experience and just got back from 3 weeks in AC. I will write up a report when I get a chance.
But I didn't see white people being rejected.
Indians get rejected a lot all over the world because they have a horrible reputation. White people routinely getting turned down seems like hype. There are a lot of Korean / Japanese / Chinese there now but I don't see that leading to white people getting routinely turned down. That sounds like sensationalism to me.If you have not been rejected, good for you. Several guys on this forum might not have the same fortune as you. Or you must be super gwapo. Or willing to spend money to rival the Asian mongers.
You are right though about the terrible reputation Indians have in almost all SEA meat markets. Hunting in packs, poor personal hygiene, bargaining with one girl for 3 guys, buying one drink and sharing it between 3 guys, sharing hotel rooms, not handling their drinks well at all. These are just a few reasons why.
Looking forward to the reports.
Blanquiceleste
10-01-18, 01:13
I found that out that not everyone likes Koreas Sex Tourism in AC haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAa8v34wFSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F53mP4US_k
"Koreans giant Sex Amusement Park".What a wanker.
Blanquiceleste
10-01-18, 01:15
They are going to highest bidder and easy marks. Some girls have multiple hands in their pocket and competition for their earnings. (see dependents) Plus a couple decades ago a working girl career was relatively short. I lament the increase in 40+ yo working girls. They find East Asian customers less demanding and more generous.How many times have you seen the Asian gents walk about with 40+ yo hags? I have not seen a single guy.
That crowd is exclusively for the retired budget monger or the South Asian crowd who might be getting rejections from other girls.
Chitown212
10-01-18, 10:42
They are going to highest bidder and easy marks. Some girls have multiple hands in their pocket and competition for their earnings. (see dependents) Plus a couple decades ago a working girl career was relatively short. I lament the increase in 40+ yo working girls. They find East Asian customers less demanding and more generous.But wait a second, we are all paying the same bar fine right? So how are they more generous?
I don't think the Asians are paying any more. I do see the Asians taking the girls out to restaurants a lot. But I don't think any more cash is exchanged.
In AC. You don't negotiate prices in bars.
In the past I would have said Queens because the hotel pool is outdoors, while the original ABC pool is mostly indoors. No sun. But now ABC has the Aqua pool on the roof.
Is Aqua free for ABC guests? The new ABC Thai restaurant is pretty good too.
As someone has already said, ABC is not so far from WStreet, although Queens would be more convenient. I personally would still pick Queens for the cost savings.
If you do pick ABC you might still stop at Queens Rooftop The Living Room. I like to take a date there when I want to get to know here better in a quieter and more relaxed setting.
First timer to Angeles and trying to decide between two hotels.
The rooms I want at ABC come out to 7500 pesos per night and at Queens 5000 pesos. I'm open to spending more if its much better.
Whats the consensus? Is ABC worth the extra 50%? The one plus I see for Queens is that its much closer to walking street.
I only have 2 posts but I had a previous handle I lost control over that had several hundred posts. I have a lot of mongering experience and just got back from 3 weeks in AC. I will write up a report when I get a chance.
But I didn't see white people being rejected.
Indians get rejected a lot all over the world because they have a horrible reputation. White people routinely getting turned down seems like hype. There are a lot of Korean / Japanese / Chinese there now but I don't see that leading to white people getting routinely turned down. That sounds like sensationalism to me.I don't brag about being rejected, haha. I'm not sure why I have much better luck in Manila. Maybe things just weren't clicking during my 2-night stay in AC. I prefer being in Manila anyway.
BrainDrain
10-02-18, 01:37
Is Aqua free for ABC guests? Free to go in.
Outsiders have to pay a minimum drinks spend of P500 per male.
Food spend does not count towards consumption.
BD.
ANewTravler
10-02-18, 02:57
Hello my fellow mongers,
Here my report on Angeles city. I am doing this because of the help and advise I received from you guys.
First a bit about my self. I am half Arab half dutch (born in the Netherlands), I'm 22 years old, fit and good looking and yes I know I'm young. But I'm also a merchants officer on a vessel for a few years so I have experience in the game of P4P. Also most of my crew are Filipinos so they informed me quite well.
Before my trip I was engaged and in love (Tunisian girl) but that did not go well. I broke it off and was done with relations.
Before going I asked my friends whether they wanted to go with me but none really wanted so yeah I decided I should go by self and I did, what's a fucking time I had.
I wanted a hotel close to the action so I made my reservation in the field walking street hotel 2450 pesos a night, good and clean and its in the middel of all the bars. You also have a small Jacuzzi and pool on the roof. The staff was amazingly helpful.
I booked a straight flight to Manilla with klm.
Taxi picked me up and dropped my off. As I was walking to my hotel 5 girls that were walking towards me started touching me and stuff. 2 of them I fucked later on.
So I put my stuff down in my room, put everything valuable in the safe took 5 k pesos and* was out hunting.
When I went out I had no idea which bar I should go first so I walked up and* down once then I said fuck it lets go to this one and enter Arcadia. There were around 40+girls or so all sizes. . I have no idea how to call the girls to sit next to me. So some old guy next to me helped me out, bought him and her a beer. I barfined her for 2500 pesos. We went to some some place next to it where drank and smoked some chicha had a laugh of fun. Then went to restaurant had a nice meal with her. Now comes the part all you shady fuckers want to know hahahahhha. Went back to hotel took a shower together a lot of kissing and she stared blowing me in the shower went to bed and she fucked the living shit out me. We fucked 4 times that night I could have anything I wanted to her BBBJ CIM even wanted to bareback. In the morning when she left I gave her 500 pesos tip.
I woke up around 11 am when to Kokomos for my morning meal. I wanted to swim and relax a bit. Around 2 pm I went hunting again, I ended up club XS Korean guy is manager was happy to see me and was very polite to me. I like this girls who was a bit taller then the regular pinay. Barfined for 3.5 k she stayed for 3 or for 4 hours. Shower together is must for me don't ask why I won't know anyways. BBBJ cum on her tits and she loves to suck you balls man what a girl was that. We went swimming* the pool had nice temp, she gave me a blowjob in the Jacuzzi didn't ask for it but was very happy to receive it ahhahaha. Got real horny she started dripping so went down she offered BB almost tempted but refused. Gave her 300 pesos tip was very happy. Went to sleep after she left woke up around 9 pm went to Kokomos for my diner then went to lollipos did not see anything I liked so next was shipwrecked saw some talent. So just went back arcadia and there I found my gem. She was small really cute shy, good round ass small titties and a real GFE. Barfined her for 2.5 k went to some other bars with her and ate some pizza. She was young had a lovely tight pussy and was more horny then me. Same ritual shower together then we fucked all night till I could not cum anymore (4 times) BBBJ could cum where I wanted to, basically I could do anything but anal. In the morning she woke me up and I was a bit hung over and I hear her say with a funny Filipino accent I want to fuck so I obliged like a real gentleman. She became my regular for the night LT girl.
After she left I went back to sleep gave her of course 500 pesos tip. Woke up when to Kokomos and went walking a bit. Then a girl with huge tits smiled and I was like damn I need those barfined 2.5 k everything went well but she was a bit to shy only 1 pop then told her to leave. Went to eat got some sleep went back to barfine my regular.
We got real drunk and Around 10 pm we went back to hotel and we are really horny and it was my first time barebacking a bar girls or prostitute during my life. We fucked like 5 time and during the 6th my dick started to hurt so she finished me with* just a blowjob.
I stayed 11 days in Angeles. My days where easy and great. Daytime I went hunting for new girls and night my regular was with me. I did not have any bad experience at all. Went to the mall and the shooting range.
By they way, the regular made the saying brown fucking machines true to the letter.
Please forgive my typing mistakes I'm typing this report from my phone.
I hope you guys enjoyed this report if you have any questions please ask me.
Maybe go back to Angeles or Dr don't know yet.
Kind regards.
Anewtravler.
Blanquiceleste
10-02-18, 03:05
But wait a second, we are all paying the same bar fine right? So how are they more generous?
I don't think the Asians are paying any more. I do see the Asians taking the girls out to restaurants a lot. But I don't think any more cash is exchanged.
In AC. You don't negotiate prices in bars.I really now begin to wonder about your power of observation. Here are a few ways Asians spend more than Western men.
1. More generous in buying drinks, sometimes even the more expensive "cocktails". Its all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) anyway, but priced differentially.
2. More generous with tips in the bar. They are known to hand out red notes like it was going out of fashion to waitresses, mamasans, girls they sit and drink with, security guards, toilet attendants, and even that old lady or guy who peddles peanuts or roses.
3. More tip to the girl they barfine. The most I have even given a girl is 300 peso. Take a quick poll on what the average tip might be from an Asian monger and you will know where they stand.
4. You already said it about dining at restaurants.
More reasons why the girls prefer Asians.
1. They usually come in smaller packages which means less work for the girl.
2. They are not as demanding on the list of things to be done, which means less work for the girl.
3. They usually do not last too long, which means less work for the girl.
4. They actually like a bit of Bush, which means less work for the girl.
Other BMs may want to add to this list, if any.
Chitown212
10-02-18, 07:26
I really now begin to wonder about your power of observation. Here are a few ways Asians spend more than Western men.Sorry but a lot of this is BS.
I didn't see any difference at all in buying drinks. You mean white people are only buying singles and the Asians are buying doubles? That's not what I saw. The Asians definitely bought more rounds of drinks where they ring the bell. But that was the only difference.
Totally disagree about Asians tipping better. I would say it is the opposite as tipping is not customary in a lot of those countries. This goes for in the bar and for the girl the next day. A lot of Phillipinos say the same thing.
I will cover this more in my trip report, but you seem to think that AC girls used to go for 1500 barfine and then these Asians showed up and started throwing big money around and that's why the girls raised their prices.
That's not what happened! The Philippines economy got a lot stronger and there are a lot more avenues for these girls to do other things besides escorting.
You sound like a bitter old pensioner so I wouldn't take your experience with the girls in AC to be representative for everyone else.
Free to go in.
Outsiders have to pay a minimum drinks spend of P500 per male.
BD.I guess the drinks are expensive, just like the rooms, so that means 2 or 3 drinks?
GoodEnough
10-02-18, 09:16
In the past I would have said Queens because the hotel pool is outdoors, while the original ABC pool is mostly indoors. No sun. But now ABC has the Aqua pool on the roof.
Is Aqua free for ABC guests? The new ABC Thai restaurant is pretty good too.
As someone has already said, ABC is not so far from WStreet, although Queens would be more convenient. I personally would still pick Queens for the cost savings.
If you do pick ABC you might still stop at Queens Rooftop The Living Room. I like to take a date there when I want to get to know here better in a quieter and more relaxed setting.Aqua Lounge is free for guests, and there's no minimum spend for guests. It's pretty easy to spend money up there as a guest, since all that's ever required is a signature, and you're not required to pay until you check out, The charges can really add up, but on the other hand, it's a great place to relax and watch part of the world go by.
GE.
. The most I have even given a girl is 300 peso. Take a quick poll on what the average tip might be from an Asian monger and you will know where they stand. Other BMs may want to add to this list, if any.That's nearly six dollars! That must be a typo and you meant 30 pesos.
I hope you guys enjoyed this report if you have any questions please ask me.
No questions but thanks for the nice report! Reminds me a lot about my first times in AC (2005) and feeling like a kid in the candy store.
Well done bro!
ANewTravler
10-02-18, 15:58
No questions but thanks for the nice report! Reminds me a lot about my first times in AC (2005) and feeling like a kid in the candy store.
Well done bro!Thanks man.
I'm going to read a bit about other PI destination maybe Cebu!
Kind regards.
BrainDrain
10-02-18, 23:36
I guess the drinks are expensive, just like the rooms, so that means 2 or 3 drinks?I usually have two cocktails, one for me, one for the girl. Usually that is enough to cover the minimum spend.
BrainDrain
10-02-18, 23:45
You sound like a bitter old pensioner so I wouldn't take your experience with the girls in AC to be representative for everyone else.Actually old pensioners probably know more about the girls of AC.
They have the time to observe the girl's behaviours.
They are there in AC all the time, so they see the changes.
They are living the life that we call a holiday.
It's happy days for everyone.
Bd.
Blanquiceleste
10-03-18, 01:17
Sorry but a lot of this is BS.
I didn't see any difference at all in buying drinks. You mean white people are only buying singles and the Asians are buying doubles? That's not what I saw. The Asians definitely bought more rounds of drinks where they ring the bell. But that was the only difference.
Totally disagree about Asians tipping better. I would say it is the opposite as tipping is not customary in a lot of those countries. This goes for in the bar and for the girl the next day. A lot of Phillipinos say the same thing.
I will cover this more in my trip report, but you seem to think that AC girls used to go for 1500 barfine and then these Asians showed up and started throwing big money around and that's why the girls raised their prices.
That's not what happened! The Philippines economy got a lot stronger and there are a lot more avenues for these girls to do other things besides escorting.
You sound like a bitter old pensioner so I wouldn't take your experience with the girls in AC to be representative for everyone else.As the saying goes, you cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep.
I can only wish you luck then. Look forward to the reports.
GoodEnough
10-03-18, 10:02
Sorry but a lot of this is BS.
That's not what happened! The Philippines economy got a lot stronger and there are a lot more avenues for these girls to do other things besides escorting.
You sound like a bitter old pensioner so I wouldn't take your experience with the girls in AC to be representative for everyone else.Rather than dismiss Blanc's post, which is probably accurate, I suggest you do a bit of research yourself. The next time you're in A / see, and you hit the bars, sit with a couiple of mamasans and as them how much Asians, and more to the point Koreans, tip the girls. Then, do the same thing with a few of the girls at each bar. Then, when you've done that, ask them the same questions about white guys. I think you'll find a significant and reasonably consistent difference. White guys, at least in the almost 2 decades I've been here, think it's a big deal to give the girls a few hundred pesos. Koreans think nothing of tipping a couiple of thousand, or so I've been told.
GE.
No questions but thanks for the nice report! Reminds me a lot about my first times in AC (2005) and feeling like a kid in the candy store.
Well done bro!Hey man,
You still in Japan? I'll be in Manila, AC, Subic, Sabang and Cebu in December. Shoot me a PM if you are coming to PI then.
The next time you're in A / see, and you hit the bars, sit with a couiple of mamasans and as them how much Asians, and more to the point Koreans, tip the girls. Then, do the same thing with a few of the girls at each bar. Then, when you've done that, ask them the same questions about white guys. I think you'll find a significant and reasonably consistent difference. White guys, at least in the almost 2 decades I've been here, think it's a big deal to give the girls a few hundred pesos. Koreans think nothing of tipping a couiple of thousand, or so I've been told.I've done that, except I only talked to the girls. I don't normally talk to the mamasans. But I've talked to many, many girls. That's one reason I like Angeles; they speak English here.
Are you comparing the Koreans to the White Ex-pats that live there? I think you need to compare the whole group, including the tourist.
Of course it's obvious that many of the top girls (i.e. girls who can be barfined every single day) are selective. Many only will go out with East Asians. But I disagree with the notion that the girls like the Koreans better because they tip more. The girls say that the Koreans tip the same as the White guys. Reading some of the posts from some members, some of the White guys on this forum tip very well. The girls do not say they like Koreans better because of the tips. They give some other reasons, such as culturally more similar, small dicks, etc. They also seem to enjoy that they go out with a large group and eat and drink.
Yes the Koreans make it rain; I think it's fun. But if you noticed the names on the wall who ring the bell, they are mostly non Asian names. I think ringing the bell is not worth it. I've done neither, but I would rather make it rain then ring the bell.
- I also talk to the waitresses. They are mostly moms with chubby bodies; and they are horny since they are not barfined much. They are paid below minimum wage; they rely on tips. So tip your waitress.
The waitresses say that the Koreans are the worst tippers. The best tippers are the Americans. Tied with the Americans, or a close second, are the Black guys. They say sometimes they are as cheap as the Koreans, in which they even take the coins, leaving no tip. But sometimes the Black guys are flashy and extremely generous.
But I didn't see white people being rejected.
Indians get rejected a lot all over the world because they have a horrible reputation. White people routinely getting turned down seems like hype. There are a lot of Korean / Japanese / Chinese there now but I don't see that leading to white people getting routinely turned down. That sounds like sensationalism to me.If you are White, you will not be rejected if you to go bars like Lollipop or Q-Bar.
But if you go to Atlantis, or a small bar catering to Koreans, you will be rejected if you go for the popular girls. The popular girls can be very selective. Since many of them only want to do 1 barfine a day, they will chose their preference. It is definitely not young White guys with large dicks that can fuck the entire night.
I don't see many Indians there (I think many of dark skin guys are Malaysians). Many of the girls have never been with an Indian, but many of the girls will refuse to go with the Indians. They say because they smell. WTF! And I say, so you like how Korean men smell after a long night eating Korean BBQ with raw garlic and drinking soju? They just smile and laugh.
So if you're a White guy getting rejected by the cutest girls in Angeles, remember that it can be worst; you can be rejected by most of the girls.
Blanquiceleste
10-04-18, 13:11
If you are White, you will not be rejected if you to go bars like Lollipop or Q-Bar.
But if you go to Atlantis, or a small bar catering to Koreans, you will be rejected if you go for the popular girls. On my recent trip in August, I walked inside Lollipop and Q-Bar almost every single day and walked out in less than 30 seconds. You might ask why. And you probably know the answer.
I think all BMs here will unanimously agree that the cutest girls are in the bars that favor Asians.
I've done that, except I only talked to the girls. I don't normally talk to the mamasans. But I've talked to many, many girls.
The girls say that the Koreans tip the same as the White guys. Reading some of the posts from some members, some of the White guys on this forum tip very well. The girls do not say they like Koreans better because of the tips. They give some other reasons, such as culturally more similar, small dicks, etc. They also seem to enjoy that they go out with a large group and eat and drink.
Yes the Koreans make it rain; I think it's fun. But if you noticed the names on the wall who ring the bell, they are mostly non Asian names. I think ringing the bell is not worth it. I've done neither, but I would rather make it rain then ring the bell.
I also talk to the waitresses. They are mostly moms with chubby bodies; and they are horny since they are not barfined much. They are paid below minimum wage; they rely on tips. So tip your waitress.
The waitresses say that the Koreans are the worst tippers. The best tippers are the Americans. Tied with the Americans, or a close second, are the Black guys. They say sometimes they are as cheap as the Koreans, in which they even take the coins, leaving no tip. But sometimes the Black guys are flashy and extremely generous.This another often discussed topic on this forum. Bar girls will say things that you want to hear. They are smart enough to gauge Average Joe and tailor responses that will boost his self-worth (ego). And to make the contrast even stronger, they put down another community of mongers, who they know are probably most disliked by Average Joe.
Call it rain, call it ringing bells, call it ping pong balls or call it any other racket, its all amounts to one thing. Spending more money. And in that department the Asians seem to have their noses ahead. To the point where they are buying up bar after bar. Go further west on Perimeter Road all the way towards Friendship Terminal and see what Korea Town looks like.
Bar girls will say things that you want to hear. They are smart enough to gauge Average Joe and tailor responses that will boost his self-worth (ego). And to make the contrast even stronger, they put down another community of mongers, who they know are probably most disliked by Average Joe.Thank you for stating the obvious (for some of the people on this forum). A few years ago, some idiot on this board was saying that the girls hated the Koreans, and only went with them because of management. He said that's what the girls told him.
Many of the girls are not that smart. Some of the Joes are not that average.
Yes, you have to put everything together, all the inputs, over multiple girls, multiple years.
So do Koreans tip better?
Call it rain, call it ringing bells, call it ping pong balls or call it any other racket, its all amounts to one thing. Spending more money. And in that department the Asians seem to have their noses ahead.NOT for ringing the bell. Koreans generally do not ring the bell. Look at the names on the walls. FYI: if you ring the bell and spend maybe between 4000 to 8000 pesos, you buy the girls a drink, and you get to put your name on the wall. After you ring the bell, the girls scream for about 5 seconds. That's it. Think it's a waste.
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