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Engine Driver
11-21-18, 11:26
I never experienced Blow Row in it's heyday. I walked up and down the street so no one else needs to and there is nothing here. The closest I got to a quick blow job deal was when I was propositioned by an unkempt woman near the main pharmacy. Out of curiosity, I asked how much and she said "up to you". I just kept on walking.
Engine Driver
11-21-18, 11:34
If you've been in AC for a few days, you will know that the food is dreadful. Today I was so desperate I went to Jollibee. There is a charcoal grill BBQ chicken shop directly across the road from Margarita Station, but they only sell whole chickens and it would have been too much for me. I think its classified as pauper food, because there's another branch at the jeep terminal. Anyhow, salivate to this.
I never experienced Blow Row in it's heyday. I walked up and down the street so no one else needs to and there is nothing here.That's not the street where the BJ bars are at (these days, there is no play at the bar; you need to take out). The bars are located on the same street where Wild Aces poker room and Penthouse Hotel is at.
If you've been in AC for a few days, you will know that the food is dreadful. Today I was so desperate I went to Jollibee. There is a charcoal grill BBQ chicken shop directly across the road from Margarita Station, but they only sell whole chickens and it would have been too much for me. I think its classified as pauper food, because there's another branch at the jeep terminal.The hot, fresh rotisserie chicken is very good. I go to the one in the shop couple stores from the jeepney station. At 170 pesos (last year's prices), it's cheap, but expensive for local Filipinos.
If you can't eat all of it, you can ask the guy to cut what you don't eat into small bags and give it to hungry poor people on the street, or give it to the bar girls. They also love the chicken.
A few years ago, I wasn't able to get Cipro from any of the large pharmacies without a prescription. But I was able to get it from that small shack pharmacy on Fields Ave kind of near / across Royal Amsterdam Hotel.I was told that shack pharmacy is closed. It might be tough to get stuff from the chain pharmacies. You probably have to go to a pharmacy with 1 owner.
You get what you pay forThe wife had some work done in Canada when one of her teeth was aching. It still hurt afterwards and when she went back the dentist told her she would need a root canal that was several thousand dollars. We were going back to Philippines so she decided to wait and see her old dentist. The dentist here said she didn't need a root canal and that it hurt because the original work was shoddy. She spent ah hour fixing the original mess and charged her less than P1,000. The tooth has been fine ever since.
DzikaBomba
11-21-18, 15:45
Today my favourite begged again and I agreed that she comes for ST about noon.
I fucked her like usual and gave her 1500 p and she left.
She promised to come later and stay overnight.
Later she was writing and asking how much I would pay her. I said 3 k for 3 shots. That's not bad, but I think she wants more.
When she arrived I fucked her one time, then we go out and after that I fucked her again.
Then suddenly she does not feel good, her stomach hurts, because her period is coming. But she was texting all the time (I think with another customer).
Bola bola. I gave her 2 k and she left. Now its really the end with her.
I will ignore her.
Tomorrow I will try one Massage girl again from agency. Even when they quote 2 k I know she is a nice teeny and provides good service.
No more bola bola on my last two days.
I want to enjoy my last fucks.
Engine Driver
11-22-18, 02:10
Yesterday I barfined what is possibly the smallest girl in AC. She's a 23 year, super slim, super tiny spinner. She's 4'10" and weighs maybe 77 lbs. Picture the situation. A big, over 6' tall man, old enough to be her father, walking hand in hand along Walking Street with the girl who looks like she's 13. Welcome to Angeles City, Philippines Sir! No one gave me a second look, but I did feel a little embarrassed. Imagine if someone from my home country saw me haha.
God she was cute. Very affectionate and also a bit cheeky. We had a great time. Nice pussy, small tits and the tiniest ass I have ever seen. She is very popular with the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese and has only ever been with them. I was her first customer from the West. She said she gets barfined on most days and I can understand why those dirty Korean men would lust after her.
As I was banging away doggie style and withdrew, I noticed her period had started. I didn't want to continue because there was just so much blood on my condom. I cleaned up and she asked if I could call the front desk for a napkin as she was shy to ask. I then rummaged through the minibar drawer and found some pads. All good.
We then just cuddled up and went to sleep. She left this morning with a nice tip, a chocolate bar from my home country and the remaining pads in the packet.
She's going to be out of boom boom action for the next four days, but you can find her at Brown Sugar bar. I also have her number if you want to contact her. Her name is Virginie. I guess there's no harm in her diversifying her client base. PM me.
BrainDrain
11-22-18, 02:59
If you've been in AC for a few days, you will know that the food is dreadful. Today I was so desperate I went to Jollibee. There is a charcoal grill BBQ chicken shop directly across the road from Margarita Station, but they only sell whole chickens and it would have been too much for me. I think its classified as pauper food, because there's another branch at the jeep terminal. Anyhow, salivate to this.On Narcisco St, about 80 meters from the corner on the right had side is a chicken roaster. They just installed an electric, stainless steel cooker. They sell chicken by the quarter or half. I can also recommend trying their BBQ pork belly. Hope that helps.
I know, not the main thing we come here for, but has anyone received dental work or heard any tales, good or bad?
Wondering if my concerns about proper sterilization are justified! Was considering http://bonifaciodental.com/..
Thanks!I've worked with two dental offices in the Philippines with excellent results and pricing. Smile Makeover in Angeles has I think 7 dentists. A couple of them are qualified to do implants. I observed them do an implant on my girlfriend, and their sterile technique was excellent. I was an operating room technician in the military. Besides cleaning, I've had them fill one cavity I had, and my USA dentist commented that they did an excellent job. I've also had excelent experiences with a Dr Aquino who works out of MJ hospital in Butuan. She is a University of the Philippines graduate.
I never experienced Blow Row in it's heyday. I walked up and down the street so no one else needs to and there is nothing here. The closest I got to a quick blow job deal was when I was propositioned by an unkempt woman near the main pharmacy. Out of curiosity, I asked how much and she said "up to you". I just kept on walking.There's a small girly bar at the end of Raymond Street on your right hand side. In June it was still there anyway.
That's not the street where the BJ bars are at (these days, there is no play at the bar; you need to take out). The bars are located on the same street where Wild Aces poker room and Penthouse Hotel is at.That's A Santos Road.
Engine Driver
11-22-18, 10:04
Has anyone ever barfined one of the top showgirls at Club XS or Club Ra? Some of them are very beautiful and very talented. I noticed a few have been there for more than 18 months.
What's the procedure? Do any of them accept barfines? Do you have to wait until all three shows that evening have finished before barfining? I imagine the mamasan is not going to happy if you pull a girl out of a show early.
They don't get the opportunity to hustle for drinks like the normal bar girls, so how do they make up for the shortfall in income?
Has anyone ever barfined one of the top showgirls at Club XS or Club Ra? Some of them are very beautiful and very talented. I noticed a few have been there for more than 18 months.I almost barfined one from Club Ra (or whatever name it was 2 years ago). Interview went badly. No BJ.
What's the procedure? Do any of them accept barfines? Do you have to wait until all three shows that evening have finished before barfining? I imagine the mamasan is not going to happy if you pull a girl out of a show early.It's up to the girls if they want to go out with the customers. The barfine for the Club Ra showgirl was 1 or 2 thousand pesos higher than the normal barfine. For the Dollhouse Group Special Night showgirls, they lose their bonus salary if they don't do all the shows.
They don't get the opportunity to hustle for drinks like the normal bar girls, so how do they make up for the shortfall in income?I believe you can call them over between shows for a lady's drink. They get extra salary for those shows. Some guys tip the showgirls. Some girls have sponsors.
Some girls just don't want to be barfined all the time. Some girls need breaks. Some girls are willing to make less money for a better quality of life.
Mr Enternational
11-22-18, 14:03
Has anyone ever barfined one of the top showgirls at Club XS or Club Ra? What's the procedure? Do any of them accept barfines? I imagine the mamasan is not going to happy if you pull a girl out of a show early.It's a hoarhouse. They are there to get money from hoaring. Mamasan is not going to be happy? Shit, you can barfine the mamasan if you want to. I used to mess with one of those mamasans in Ra. I don't fuck with her anymore so I will even put her picture here.
NapaSlapper
11-23-18, 03:12
It's a hoarhouse. They are there to get money from hoaring. Mamasan is not going to be happy? Shit, you can barfine the mamasan if you want to. I used to mess with one of those mamasans in Ra. I don't fuck with her anymore so I will even put her picture here.Mr E,
Are you for one moment suggesting that you can walk into any of the show bars and point and fuck any of the showgirls at will, because you would be totally wrong.
Yes the mamasuns are readily available because they are normally the older fatter ex bargirls that no longer have the youth or body to dance, same with the wait staff.
Mr Greenbud is pretty accurate in his lower post, most dancers are paid much more to be available to dance the shows, most showgirls are doing just fine money wise, either dating the bar owners / managers or have wealthy korean sponsors, of the few I know personally this is the case.
All angeles bargirls whether dancers are not have a complete choice on who they will barfine with or not barfine at all, because of the extreme lack of good looking bargirls in Angeles the ones that have the looks mostly suffer from severe princess syndrome and are extremely fussy in the company they keep.
DzikaBomba
11-23-18, 12:39
Today is my last day here.
Yesterday I abstained from sex because I was feeling really exhausted.
Today morning 8 am my DIA Favourite made a surprise visit to me.
She came from a birthday and was drunken and of course needed the money.
I don't wanted to see her anymore, but she was already there so I fucked her and gave her the 1500 p and she left.
Later my other favourite from wechat visited me. Good like always, especially the BJ and balls sucking and licking.
Again no talking about money. Again she left with 1500 p.
And again she later writes me have a good trip home with kisses messages.
So after 3 weeks my final thoughts on AC:
I like this place, but 3 weeks are too much. I will come again I'm March, but then only for 2 weeks.
Food is expensive or not good, the street vendors are very annoying.
One thing I'm very glad about is that I did not buy one lady drink, never paid only one barfine. Bars are bola bola for me.
The Freelancer scene is no comparison to what I know from Pattaya, but its good.
Wechat an DIA worked very well for me.
What I miss is picking up girls from the street. Its sometimes possible in front of Kokomos, but its really not much.
What I like is the English knowledge of the girls. Communication was really easy.
Bareback with hookers was something new for me. The last few times with my DIA favourite I fucked her only raw.
Others with very few exceptions always condom.
I had some encounters were the girls did not want to give BJ. That's a big no go for me! In future I will ask if its included.
So I'm waiting for tomorrow 2:30 pm to catch the Genesis bus to airport.
My DIA favourite wants to visit me tomorrow early morning for a free fuck.
I'm very interested if this will happen haha. Because I said I have no more money. I will see.
Mr E,
Are you for one moment suggesting that you can walk into any of the show bars and point and fuck any of the showgirls at will, because you would be totally wrong.
Yes the mamasuns are readily available because they are normally the older fatter ex bargirls that no longer have the youth or body to dance, same with the wait staff.
Mr Greenbud is pretty accurate in his lower post, most dancers are paid much more to be available to dance the shows, most showgirls are doing just fine money wise, either dating the bar owners / managers or have wealthy korean sponsors, of the few I know personally this is the case.
All angeles bargirls whether dancers are not have a complete choice on who they will barfine with or not barfine at all, because of the extreme lack of good looking bargirls in Angeles the ones that have the looks mostly suffer from severe princess syndrome and are extremely fussy in the company they keep.Isn't Mr E the guy that never pays a barfine in advance? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
Mr Enternational
11-23-18, 20:15
Are you for one moment suggesting that you can walk into any of the show bars and point and fuck any of the showgirls at will, because you would be totally wrong.No. I am only suggesting the reason that hundreds of thousands of mongers go to AC every year is because they have these things called gogo bars where you can walk in and pay someone for sex. Nobody goes there under the assumption that the place is full of chicks that are not hookers. A person that will not have sex for money is the outlier when talking about AC bars.
So when asking if people from a big ass group within a bar can be barfined then the default answer should be yes. I have probably never seen more than 10 other customers in Ra. So it is safe to assume the bar could not survive by paying a group of 20 chicks a salary that would sustain them while getting no barfines from them.
I almost barfined one from Club Ra (or whatever name it was 2 years ago). Interview went badly. No BJ.
It's up to the girls if they want to go out with the customers. The barfine for the Club Ra showgirl was 1 or 2 thousand pesos higher than the normal barfine. For the Dollhouse Group Special Night showgirls, they lose their bonus salary if they don't do all the shows.
I believe you can call them over between shows for a lady's drink. They get extra salary for those shows. Some guys tip the showgirls. Some girls have sponsors.
Some girls just don't want to be barfined all the time. Some girls need breaks. Some girls are willing to make less money for a better quality of life.In summary:
All girls there will have sex for money.
Whether they have sex with you or I for money is not a certainty 😁.
A good description of most of he PI.
Engine Driver
11-24-18, 04:12
This was my sixth trip to AC and the first time I had used social media. My experience pretty much mirrored those of Dzika Bomba's.
At home I use no social media at all other than LinkedIn for work and WhatsApp for free internet calls and group discussions. I did pick up a chick on LinkedIn once and banged her, but that's another story. I have no FB, Twitter, Snapchat, Tinder, Instagram, DIA etc. Because they are complications I don't need and I can't afford to jeopardise my normal life.
The day before leaving, I downloaded WeChat and Tinder. On WeChat I didn't use my real photo for the profile pic. I had a picture of a domestic animal and loaded up the gallery with general scenes and harmless photos. On Tinder, I did use my real photo, but with a fake name. I picked these two apps because they are proximity based and I only wanted to meet people close by. I was not about to invest time into people who wanted a genuine relationship.
Pretty much as soon as I landed in Manila and when I arrived in AC, I got quite a few hits on WeChat and I swiped a few matches on Tinder. About half of them were baklas, which annoyed me. If a lady looked too beautiful to be true, then it was highly like IT was a LB. The remaining half of matches or hits were split between massage girls, freelancers and semi-pros looking for a good time. There was hardly any activity in Sabang from social media. I want to stress that there are no genuine people looking for love on WeChat. It is purely a transaction based platform in the Philippines. Be careful with information and photos as it is controlled by the Chinese government. I did get some hits from genuine MILFs on Tinder, but I ignored those.
In Manila, I used WeChat to get a genuine massage girl who did not (yes did not) provide extras. I wanted it that way. She was very good. I also lined up a few semi-pros on WeChat, but didn't follow through because of time.
In AC, I had a lot of success with both Tinder and WeChat, but only followed through with a few leads. There is only so much banging you can do. I picked up a delightful pro on WeChat who was a former bar girl. Now she only does freelance work. She gave me a really nice time and I paid her 1,500 PHP without entering into any discussions beforehand. That's the correct rate for ST. I also got a nice jenlipson massage to completion from a cute girl on WeChat. I paid her 1,100 PHP for a genuine massage, jenlipson massage and release while she was topless.
I had one poor experience with a girl on WeChat in AC who acted as if she was a sweet innocent girl who didn't know anything. She emphasised she wasn't a freelancer, but a Manila based IT student, which was true. She was visiting her relatives in AC, hence our chance meeting. She used to be a tour guide for golf trips, so knows the AC situation pretty well. What attracted me to her was that she was half-Indian, half-Pinay. Given that she was half Indian, I expected her to be a bit smarter and sharper than the usual girls, but alas no! She was dumbed down to the lowest common denominator just like the rest of them. We arranged to meet at the ABC at 8. 00 pm, which I thought was a reasonable time. She then texted and shifted this to 9. 00 pm as she was looking after her niece. Then it dragged out to 10.00 pm as her aunt got her to do the dishes. I was about to call the whole thing off as I was getting frustrated waiting for her. I then said if she wasn't here in 15 minutes, the date is off. Finally she arrived at 10.35 pm. I don't know how girls think that being 2. 5 hours late for a date is acceptable, but then again I only live in a bubble while in the Philippines. She was very slim and petite and looked nice. We went up to Aqua for a drink and she bumped into quite a few freelancers she knew. She said she had to keep a list of freelancers for her former golf clients, and hence knew a lot of them. I just nodded (normal girls will not have the chance to deal with FLs). We then did some barhopping and she took me to a couple of Indian bars on Walking Street where she knew all of the waitresses. She got them to play some of her favourite Bollywood songs. Until that point, I was not aware that there was an Indian scene in AC. It was past 12.00 now and we headed to High Society where we had a great time dancing, DFKing and grinding. She asked me to buy many of her freelancer friends drinks as they had run out of money. At 120 PHP a drink, I didn't really care. At 4. 00 am we headed back to my room and she starting kissing. I then knew straight away, with no doubt at all, that she wasn't some inexperienced amateur. We then showered and she gave a nice blow job and rimmed me. No Filipina girl as ever given me a rim job before! She was indeed a pro. I licked her out and she came. That's when the trouble started. She asked if she could stay with me for a few days. I said I was busy and she had to leave soon. She started to get emotional and said how could I just use her for sex and then just dump her. That's when I said, "okay, we won't fuck now" and said it's best if she left. My view is that once you fuck a freebie, you create an obligation. If I didn't fuck her, then I can say " I did not have sexual relations with that woman". Things were starting to deteriorate and she pulled the old tampo trick on me, by not responding to anything I said. She said she was getting attached to me and really wanted to spend time with me. My head was spinning and I didn't know how to get her out of my room. I put my clothes back on and kindly told her it's best if she went home. Still the tampo. I said I can arrange for a car to take her home. No response. In the end she called her cousin to come and pick her up. So we waited on the bed for 40 minutes, before she finally left at 5.40am. I was really relieved and vowed not to chase freebies again.
In summary, I'd say Tinder and WeChat are not really necessary to have a good time. But they offer the chance to have a "real date" and the excitement that provides. Be careful of freebies as there is no such thing.
Mr Enternational
11-24-18, 04:40
I had one poor experience with a girl on WeChat in AC who acted as if she was a sweet innocent girl who didn't know anything. She emphasised she wasn't a freelancer,
We went up to Aqua for a drink and she bumped into quite a few freelancers she knew. She said she had to keep a list of freelancers for her former golf clients, and hence knew a lot of them.It was past 12.00 now and we headed to High Society where we had a great time dancing, DFKing and grinding. She asked me to buy many of her freelancer friends drinks as they had run out of money.That is hilarious. Everyone knows that birds of a feather flock together. So you are not a hooker, but you know tons of hookers well enough to be offering them drinks? That is like the one when a guy thinks he selected the one chick out of a group of ladyboys. You might find 1 ladyboy hanging with a group of chicks, but it will be a cold day in hell when you see 1 chick hanging with a group of ladyboys.
We arranged to meet at the ABC at 8.00 pm, which I thought was a reasonable time. She then texted and shifted this to 9.00 pm as she was looking after her niece. Then it dragged out to 10.00 pm as her aunt got her to do the dishes. I was about to call the whole thing off as I was getting frustrated waiting for her. I then said if she wasn't here in 15 minutes, the date is off. Finally she arrived at 10.35 pm. I don't know how girls think that being 2. 5 hours late for a date is acceptable,Great report. It is acceptable because guys allow it. You see how quickly she arrived when you put your foot down right? Welcome to the walking on water club. Regardless of what many think, a lot of shit is not impossible if you open you mouth and say something. If you are a passive guy then yes you get chicks arriving hours late and you have to pay barfines beforehand.
n summary, I'd say Tinder and WeChat are not really necessary to have a good time. But they offer the chance to have a "real date" and the excitement that provides. Be careful of freebies as there is no such thing.I would have to disagree with this. I have never met a freebie on WeChat. It is all hookers, LB hookers, hookers parading as massage chicks, and massage chicks. But Tinder is a different story. The chick that I met in AC that is coming to Thailand next month is a freebie. My university dean in Manila that I have been seeing a few months and is going to visit me in the States in a couple of months is a freebie. The chick meeting me at the airport in Manila tonight is a freebie. And there are several other freebies, all from Tinder.
BrainDrain
11-24-18, 08:19
I would have to disagree with this. I have never met a freebie on WeChat. It is all hookers, LB hookers, hookers parading as massage chicks, and massage chicks. But Tinder is a different story. The chick that I met in AC that is coming to Thailand next month is a freebie. My university dean in Manila that I have been seeing a few months and is going to visit me in the States in a couple of months is a freebie. The chick meeting me at the airport in Manila tonight is a freebie. And there are several other freebies, all from Tinder.I've had non-pro non-FL girls off wechat in AC. I think it is getting harder though.
Be careful with information and photos as it is controlled by the Chinese government. I'm not an IT or privacy expert but I'm not overly concerned about this when I'm using WeChat outside of China. Inside China would be another story.
According to their privacy statement they are not storing the chat sessions on their servers but only on the devices of the people chatting with eachother. Of course the chats are still passing their servers so maybe the Chinese government is monitoring them but even if they do, what can they do with it when you are not in China?
What I miss is picking up girls from the street. Its sometimes possible in front of Kokomos, but its really not much.It's possible all over Fields Ave. However the problem with street walkers in AC is they are literally walking most of the time. And now with the 'barangay' chasing them this has probably got even worse.
I have picked up some really nice and good looking girls over the years. But you have to walk up and down Fields and take the initiative yourself most of the time. It's not like Soi 4 in Bangkok or Beach Road in Pattaya where it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Engine Driver
11-24-18, 11:26
That is hilarious. Everyone knows that birds of a feather flock together. So you are not a hooker, but you know tons of hookers well enough to be offering them drinks? That is like the one when a guy thinks he selected the one chick out of a group of ladyboys. You might find 1 ladyboy hanging with a group of chicks, but it will be a cold day in hell when you see 1 chick hanging with a group of ladyboys.
I knew fully what was happening and what type of girl she was. I was just a little surprised at just HOW experienced she was in bed.
Engine Driver
11-24-18, 11:44
I was so bored one day that just jumped into a trike and said "Korea Town". He dropped me off at the end of Don Juico Ave near the Friendship Gate. I spent an hour or so wandering around. Nothing much to see or do here other than Korean massage parlours, Korean BBQ restaurants, a golf shop, Korean grocery stores and various small business. There is so little to do during the day time that you have to find ways to occupy yourself.
RandMcNasty
11-24-18, 15:22
Great report. It is acceptable because guys allow it. You see how quickly she arrived when you put your foot down right? Welcome to the walking on water club. Regardless of what many think, a lot of shit is not impossible if you open you mouth and say something. If you are a passive guy then yes you get chicks arriving hours late and you have to pay barfines beforehand.
Full disclosure: I tend to be that passive guy.
So, when taking out a pinay from the club, you can refuse to pay the barfine up front? Is this the kind of thing where usually they insist, and you flat refuse, and then say 25% of the time they agree to leave pre-BFing?
My last visit (which was my only other visit) I paid up front, got service I wasn't happy about at all. Kind of a funny story. I can't remember from where I BF'ed her, but she was a door girl. Got back to my room and she simply didn't want to get naked. She was so shy about it I suggested that she lied when I asked her if she was LB. I threatened to take her back to the mamasan and she didn't want that so she got naked.
I wouldn't give BJ at all though, and then I find out she was on the rag. So we did it in the tub in very forgettable fashion.
In hindsight, I wish I hadn't paid up front. Then, could I have reasonably returned her when I found out she was on the rag?
So, when taking out a pinay from the club, you can refuse to pay the barfine up front? Is this the kind of thing where usually they insist, and you flat refuse, and then say 25% of the time they agree to leave pre-BFing?The standard in Angeles is for the customer to pay the all inclusive barfine before he leaves the bar.
But just like any market, the customer can ask to change the terms.
I am assuming Mr E was never successful with any of the Dollhouse Group Bars? How about the Wolfpack Group Bars?
Wondering Mr E's success rate on the other bars? Are there any bars in which they always say yes?
I wouldn't give BJ at all though, So she was indeed a ladyboy? LOL.
NapaSlapper
11-24-18, 16:46
Full disclosure: I tend to be that passive guy.
So, when taking out a pinay from the club, you can refuse to pay the barfine up front? Is this the kind of thing where usually they insist, and you flat refuse, and then say 25% of the time they agree to leave pre-BFing?
My last visit (which was my only other visit) I paid up front, got service I wasn't happy about at all. Kind of a funny story. I can't remember from where I BF'ed her, but she was a door girl. Got back to my room and she simply didn't want to get naked. She was so shy about it I suggested that she lied when I asked her if she was LB. I threatened to take her back to the mamasan and she didn't want that so she got naked.
I wouldn't give BJ at all though, and then I find out she was on the rag. So we did it in the tub in very forgettable fashion.
In hindsight, I wish I hadn't paid up front. Then, could I have reasonably returned her when I found out she was on the rag?Angeles bars operate in two separate ways, most bars demand full payment up front no exceptions (not even for Mr E) and a small number of bars allow the punter to pay the girl directly when reaching the room but the girl is responsible to the bar for full payment so will only agree to barfine if she knows the punter and is sure of payment.
As far as getting money back from bars when girls don't perform maybe you are not aware that there are very strict rules regarding bars selling pussy, many bars have been raided for exactly this.
No bar owners are stupid enough to admit to selling pussy and risk a possible 20 year no bail sentence, so take a girl back to a bar that did not perform and you will hear the standard line of sir you paid for early release of the girl not to have sex with the girl, no refund, bye.
The standard in Angeles is for the customer to pay the all inclusive barfine before he leaves the bar.
But just like any market, the customer can ask to change the terms.
I am assuming Mr E was never successful with any of the Dollhouse Group Bars? How about the Wolfpack Group Bars?
Wondering Mr E's success rate on the other bars? Are there any bars in which they always say yes?There has been many times I haven't paid the barfine upfront. In all instances I had known the girl or mommasan from before. Most of the times I had texted the girl to come to my hotel from the bar and I would pay the barfine to her. A few times in the bar I did not have enough money on hand for the barfine and the mommasan let me BF the new girl and I would pay her later.
Sometimes a problem of not paying the BF upfront is that the girl will have to go back to the bar before closing time and pay the BF. Some could use this as an excuse to go home after paying. I had that happened once to me. The other times it is just a plain interruption and cost extra trike money for the girl to come back.
It is much easier for me to get the barfine out of the way if I am there.
RandMcNasty
11-24-18, 21:17
So she was indeed a ladyboy? LOL.Ugh. Uhh, not _all_ typos are Freudian, right?
Right?
Mr Enternational
11-25-18, 01:02
Sometimes a problem of not paying the BF upfront is that the girl will have to go back to the bar before closing time and pay the BF.I normally say I will give her the money TOMORROW when she leaves. That signifies that it will be Long Time and I will not pay before.
I am assuming Mr E was never successful with any of the Dollhouse Group Bars? How about the Wolfpack Group Bars?LOL.. I hardly even ask a hooker (or regular chick for that matter) her name. I certainly don't bother with which bar is which and which belongs to what group and who is the manager and owner and what their schedules are and what time the showgirls practice and how much they make a month and what is the cost of a lady drink and how many they need to sell.
I am more of a walk into a random place, see a chick I like, and ask her how much to go fuck kind of guy. I don't make fucking hookers into brain surgery.
Charm City Dave
11-25-18, 01:26
I am more of a walk into a random place, see a chick I like, and ask her how much to go fuck kind of guy. I don't make fucking hookers into brain surgery.Prose worthy of Anthony Bourdain.
LOL.. I hardly even ask a hooker (or regular chick for that matter) her name.Really? Sometimes I really wonder if you see people as people or objects.
I wonder which of the bars lets you take a girl without paying barfine. In my experience none. Only if you keep the girl couple of days you just need to give the girl money to pay the barfine for the next day. This is just to prevent the girl being AWOL.
This is business. Bars want the money upfront. I have seen some men pay barfine and reserve a girl and will take her later for some apparent reason. Why they do that I have no idea.
Greetings.
On the final day of my trip I met this girl on DIA who had been messaging me for a very long time wanting to meet me. As one girl stood me up at noon I had nothing to loose so I called her over. She was having coffee and the other end of walking street and came straight to my room in 20 minutes.
She was as usual a typical free lancer. A bit rough on the edges. Hair was a bit messed up but other than that she was very presentable. Nice cotton hot pants and spaghetti top. I was messing about while chatting about being walking panty and bra. And to my surprise she entered my room complying to my tastes. She has hard large nipples that was clearly visible. She was a bit shy when I was staring at her.
Anyway. Shower together and her pussy was perfectly shaved and she was getting wet already. A long BBBJ in the shower and on to the bed for some action. I went down on her and she let out the loudest moan and when I got up to check on her. She frantically continued with her finger and then. There was this violent orgasm and squirt. That was massive. That is what I like about FL. IMHO they don't get as much as the bar girls and are really horny. She got really shy and I lied down now and she hopped on top and rode me like no tomorrow. As I had been getting so much sex I was in no mood to come. We switched positions to her flipping over, the. Doggy then back to top and then mish. I finally came as I pulled out and spewed all over her face.
Memorable finish.
While we were resting she showed me pics of her and her friends and asked if she can bring a few over for a three some. They were all more or less the same age group 18-20. Slim and sexy. Unfortunately I had to leave in the evening.
So if anyone is keen I have her details and can share. Please note only members who have previously posted reports will be entertained.
Pm me with your nationality as well. I don't need it. She wanted to filter it. Sorry.
Total damage 2 k plus chocolates.
Tc.
G.
I have seen some men pay barfine and reserve a girl and will take her later for some apparent reason. Why they do that I have no idea.I do that sometimes. I want to make sure she's there when I come back around midnight.
Sometimes I want to find another girl at another bar.
Sometimes I want to go drinking at other bars, and I don't want to pay extra money for her drinks. Sometimes it's not good to get the girl drunk; she can pass out, or she can renege on PSE things. Sometimes when I take them barhopping, I hate it when they only take a few sips of each beer, wasting my money.
JasonBen84
11-25-18, 23:12
Central Park is a perfect hotel to stay. Girl friendly and very safe area to move around day and night! The pool on the roof top is open all night long and perfect for a midnight swim with your honey!Sorry Lakeside, missed your info. Thanks for the heads-up. Very much appreciated. 1 week to go, looking forward for my 2nd trip to AC.
JasonBen84
11-25-18, 23:15
Greetings.
On the final day of my trip I met this girl on DIA who had been messaging me for a very long time wanting to meet me. As one girl stood me up at noon I had nothing to loose so I called her over. She was having coffee and the other end of walking street and came straight to my room in 20 minutes.
She was as usual a typical free lancer. A bit rough on the edges. Hair was a bit messed up but other than that she was very presentable. Nice cotton hot pants and spaghetti top. I was messing about while chatting about being walking panty and bra. And to my surprise she entered my room complying to my tastes. She has hard large nipples that was clearly visible. She was a bit shy when I was staring at her..Top notch report Gunners1. Seems you had a great trip this time. Cheers.
Chocha Monger
11-26-18, 01:01
I normally say I will give her the money TOMORROW when she leaves. That signifies that it will be Long Time and I will not pay before.
LOL.. I hardly even ask a hooker (or regular chick for that matter) her name. I certainly don't bother with which bar is which and which belongs to what group and who is the manager and owner and what their schedules are and what time the showgirls practice and how much they make a month and what is the cost of a lady drink and how many they need to sell.
I am more of a walk into a random place, see a chick I like, and ask her how much to go fuck kind of guy. I don't make fucking hookers into brain surgery.Way to go Mr. Enternational! You continue to be a mongering industry disruptor who reaps the rewards of mongering outside the box, and leaves the competition confused. When it comes to the business of fucking, you certainly know how to keep it about the fucking and not the distractions that add overhead.
Mr Enternational
11-26-18, 01:26
I wonder which of the bars lets you take a girl without paying barfine. In my experience none.So you have asked and all have told you no?
Mr Enternational
11-26-18, 01:36
Really? Sometimes I really wonder if you see people as people or objects.And asking or telling a name does what? Acts like you have a genuine interest in the person or they have a genuine interest in you? Most punters and hookers use fake names to begin with. And not being good with names, I would probably forget in the next 10 seconds anyway. Or should I just play along with the same stale game? What is your name? Where are you from? What hotel you stay? How long you here?
In the Stupid Shit in Thailand thread there is a discussion about a guy that took a chick on vacation for a month. He did not pay her at the end. She has a copy of his document and is threatening to send shit to his wife. I guess they both saw each other as people and look where it has gotten them.
I don't know one chick that went to AC to make friends; they all went there to make money. I am giving them the money they want and they are giving me the pussy that I want. All the other pleasantries and fantasies I do not have much interest in.
Really? Sometimes I really wonder if you see people as people or objects.I'm sure he doesn't think hookers are people. They're to be used and excused. And he's a hero here on ISG.
Takes all kinds to make the world go around, even scoundrels.
And asking or telling a name does what? Acts like you have a genuine interest in the person or they have a genuine interest in you? Most punters and hookers use fake names to begin with. And not being good with names, I would probably forget in the next 10 seconds anyway. Or should I just play along with the same stale game? What is your name? Where are you from? What hotel you stay? How long you here?
Perhaps if you engaged in some conversation you might get more than the same old stale questions 😁.
Everyone is free to spend their money as they see fit and have as much or as little engagement as they wish. However, after some interaction, I've had many girls give me tips on good places to eat, times to go out, places to see and be part of a great, fun night out partying. I've also found that treating them reasonably also gives better returns back in the room.
And asking or telling a name does what? Acts like you have a genuine interest in the person or they have a genuine interest in you? Most punters and hookers use fake names to begin with. And not being good with names, I would probably forget in the next 10 seconds anyway. Or should I just play along with the same stale game? What is your name? Where are you from? What hotel you stay? How long you here?
In the Stupid Shit in Thailand thread there is a discussion about a guy that took a chick on vacation for a month. He did not pay her at the end. She has a copy of his document and is threatening to send shit to his wife. I guess they both saw each other as people and look where it has gotten them.
I don't know one chick that went to AC to make friends; they all went there to make money. I am giving them the money they want and they are giving me the pussy that I want. All the other pleasantries and fantasies I do not have much interest in.I can see where you're coming from but I think it's just common decency to ask for someone's name. It's usually one of the first things I ask, just to show some interest and to start a conversation. And most girls seem to appreciate it, even when it's only for the hour or so that we are together and we never meet again.
I'm not so sure that most punters and hookers use fake names. But when I suspect that a girl is using a fake name I simply ask for her real name and surprisingly enough more often than not they tell me what it is.
Only first names of course. I never give them my surname or ask for theirs.
Sometimes a girl is 'testing' my interest in her, during or after a session, by asking me if I remember her name. They are always pleasantly surprised when I do.
It's a business transaction but why not make it as pleasant and human as possible?
Ugh. Uhh, not _all_ typos are Freudian, right?
Right?Deep down inside you must know the answer.
Mr Enternational
11-26-18, 10:45
It's a business transaction but why not make it as pleasant and human as possible?I never said anything about having rotten times. I always seem to have a great time mongering, because I know how to make my own fun. And evidently chicks are having a great time too because they are always asking to come back.
Sometimes I go pick the first chick (Thai FL met at the disco) up from her room, but I seriously have no idea what her name is and I have known her 1 year!
The second chick is a Filipina non-pro that found out my name thanks to whatsapp links to facebook.
Engine Driver
11-27-18, 00:37
I can see where you're coming from but I think it's just common decency to ask for someone's name. It's usually one of the first things I ask, just to show some interest and to start a conversation. And most girls seem to appreciate it, even when it's only for the hour or so that we are together and we never meet again.
It's a business transaction but why not make it as pleasant and human as possible?I'm like you. Part of the reason I travel is get to know a bit about someone else's culture. It's interesting to find out more about the girl's situation and the bar environment. Mr E just wants to point and shoot. Nothing wrong with that. Might as well stick your dick in a glory hole and get it sucked by an anonymous person.
I'm like you. Part of the reason I travel is get to know a bit about someone else's culture. It's interesting to find out more about the girl's situation and the bar environment. Mr E just wants to point and shoot. Nothing wrong with that. Might as well stick your dick in a glory hole and get it sucked by an anonymous person.I recently read in Texas that they just banned "rubber doll bordellos". These are those $12,000 Japanese life sized rubber dolls with vaginas.
But the bordellos might charge more than 1 k!
And evidently chicks are having a great time too because they are always asking to come back.This is a valid and important point. Many forget that it's a two sided market and if the girl was getting ripped off she would not return.
I must say though that residence or long term stays offer advantages over 2 week warriors. I know Residents that routinely get emergency calls from girls broke but with bills to pay. For 500 p they get multiple shots over an afternoon with seriously good looking girls that punters are paying '000's for a quick ST to.
I've often though about spreading the rumour that I have moved in forever. . . LOL.
Enjoy, G.
So you have asked and all have told you no?Yes, Long time ago I did ask a mamasan if I could give money for barfine to the girl since I did not have enough pesos. She said no sir, the owner wants money before the girl leaves. So I had to go back to my room to get the money. That was the time when the barfined girl stayed with you all night. At least two shots including one in the morning was minimum.
Mr Enternational
11-27-18, 03:57
I'm like you. Part of the reason I travel is get to know a bit about someone else's culture. It's interesting to find out more about the girl's situation and the bar environment. Mr E just wants to point and shoot. Nothing wrong with that. Might as well stick your dick in a glory hole and get it sucked by an anonymous person.I think you have me mixed up. I have a Masters in International Business. I had never had a business class before my Masters and picked that particular major because I like learning different cultures and wanted to make some money in the process.
The difference is that I do normal things and learn about culture through people that are not prostitutes or in bars. I don't look for friendship, love, affection, or validation from hookers. I fuck hookers and befriend and date those that are not hookers.
Originally this was not on my itinerary as I have 10 days in Makati, 4 days for business and I've put aside 3 days for just lounging around. Having read some quick reports and instructions on how to get there by bus, I was thinking of taking a day trip to AC or a quick overnight and return in the evening the next day. I'm not sure if it's worth it or if I should save it for another time. This will be in the mid part of January next year so I don't know if it's a busy time, if most of the girls will be away visiting their families for the holidays as Christmas season tends to extend beyond January in the Philippines.
Engine Driver
11-27-18, 07:47
The difference is that I do normal things and learn about culture through people that are not prostitutes or in bars. Good one E! Unfortunately in my short-time mongering trips, I only have the opportunity to mix with the lower end of Philippines society. The trike drivers, papaya sellers, street urchins, homeless people on the streets of Malate, massage girls, waitresses, hookers and hotel porters. I'm not sure how to date university professors!
As someone mentioned in another post, to get your non-pro Tinder game really going, you will need four-weeks in country. Four-weeks in the Philippines and I would go crazy.
After I get my fix of pussy, I can return back to my hum drum, suburban existence and get on with normal life. No one suspects a thing.
Engine Driver
11-27-18, 08:06
The German guy who owns and operates Angel Bakery is doing very well. The restaurant is usually full between 8. 00 am - 2. 00 pm and then again for dinner. Food is very good and the menu leans towards German / Austrian. Your instant girlfriend can dine on the usual Filipino delicacies, while you wolf down a Wiener Schnitzel. He also has a branch in Subic, so you can mask the taste of pussy with plenty of Sauerkruat while cruising the barrio.
Angel Bakery is right next to Pony Tails.
Engine Driver
11-27-18, 08:30
On this particular trip to AC, I did not have any runners at all. Every girl I barfined was happy to stay till 7. 00 am, although a couple over slept till past 10.30 am which did annoy me. I think the bed must have been rather comfortable compared to the floor in their dorms. On my last night / last morning, the spinner (part Melanesian / part Pinay) I was with asked if she could come with me to Manila! Sorry honey, but I've got to work. I reduced the tips I paid, thinking there wasn't much point in just handing out cash to the girls. All overnighters got 300 PHP plus a chocolate bar from home and they looked pretty pleased. In fact, the next day they were all texting me, hoping I would invite them back.
To ensure an overnight stay, I did take the effort to double check with the mamasan that it was okay, while the girl was present. Also, I chose the girls from second tier bars who had narturally friendly attitudes (but not necessarily any less pretty). I only bought one double LD each for candidates, and if the interview went well, I paid the barfine. If I barfined, the waitress got a 50 PHP tip. If I walked away, the waitress got a 20 PHP tip. On this trip, apart from a few SMLs, I mainly drank local rum on the rocks. Less calories and it was a lot less filling than beer.
I also got very good treatment from the Korean bar owners. One Korean owner pulled me off the street and into his bar and welcomed me to stay. Another Korean owner at After Dark got out his Samsung Pad and showed me the pictures of all his girls to select from. When the girl I was after "Anne" wasn't on stage, he called the mamasan over to take care of me. None of this type of positive behaviour has happened to me at the Korean bars before, so I think there is a softening in their attitude. Money is money.
I fuck hookers and befriend and date those that are not hookers.But you don't ask for their names when you befriend and date them? I still think that's a bit weird.
BrainDrain
11-27-18, 17:28
Originally this was not on my itinerary as I have 10 days in Makati, 4 days for business and I've put aside 3 days for just lounging around. Having read some quick reports and instructions on how to get there by bus, I was thinking of taking a day trip to AC or a quick overnight and return in the evening the next day. I'm not sure if it's worth it or if I should save it for another time. This will be in the mid part of January next year so I don't know if it's a busy time, if most of the girls will be away visiting their families for the holidays as Christmas season tends to extend beyond January in the Philippines.It will always be more fun in AC than lounging around in your country. Time your transport so that you are not in the rush hour traffic IE travel MNL. AC in the morning not after 3 pm.
I would make the trip minimum of an overnight. Just for the fun aspect.
BD.
Originally this was not on my itinerary as I have 10 days in Makati, 4 days for business and I've put aside 3 days for just lounging around. Having read some quick reports and instructions on how to get there by bus, I was thinking of taking a day trip to AC or a quick overnight and return in the evening the next day. I'm not sure if it's worth it or if I should save it for another time. This will be in the mid part of January next year so I don't know if it's a busy time, if most of the girls will be away visiting their families for the holidays as Christmas season tends to extend beyond January in the Philippines.Read more. Search November 2017,2016 and you will find your answers.
Due to your lack of field reports very few people will understand your likes or dislikes enough to recommend to go or not go.
William7011
11-27-18, 22:23
Four days in AC. Can't say it was my best trip or my worst either. Flew into Manila and usual hotel car service was not available. Hopped a van from Manila airport to AC which was nice but stupid expensive. I advise never to do that and to always arrange in advance. I usually use the car or van services provided by the AC hotels which is still relatively expensive, but convenient and super easy. Flew out of Clark back to HK this time which is really the way to go if flights are available. But the drive from Manila to AC is always entertaining for me anyway, so either is not too bad.
I must say I didn't enjoy the bars on this trip as much as during previous trip. My previous trip during August was a lucky one finding several new girls who were top notch. I guess I was just a little unlucky on this last trip and found the pickings a little slim. Next trip will be longer so I'll explore the online methods but I still am partial to the bar methods as it's fun to drink and hangout anyway. Spend most of my time on Perimeter and at the Aqua Club at ABC. Aqua is certainly upscale, but it is a bit younger oriented than I like. I am not an old guy (mid'40's) but I still found it a bit annoying as it seems to target a younger group. Still fun of course and nice to have lunch there or cocktails to impress the bar girls. Most girls in AC seems to say they have been to Aqua before, but most I have met still really like the place. And there is always the newbie girl will thinks it's really cool.
Spent the first two nights a Valentino Hotel which was not my preference but I was very pleased with the place. Room was super clean and the staff helpful. Not really upscale but it's a nice place to stay if you want a clean place and good rooms without breaking the bank. Also near the action. Transferred to ABC which is always my preference.
While many on here seems to complain about bar fine prices, I have found not much has changed in the past few years. Still range from a low end of about 1700 up to 4000. Like I wrote above, struggles to find the ideal girls on this trip and it seems there were more 3's to 6's than on previous trip. Perhaps I should have concentrated more on the Fields bars and I would have had better luck.
A few meals at the new Thai restaurant next to ABC. Clean, upscale and nice. The rest of the trip was routine and AC seems pretty much unchanged over the past few years. Planning a return trip next month.
Today is my last day of a 4 day trip here in Angeles. I haven't been here in over a year. Things are different but still the same. Overall, Angeles gets worse for me every year. I've had only 2 short time bar fines. A far cry from the days I would get 1 short time bar fine for the afternoon and a long time at night every day. I always ask how long they're willing to stay and I've never had one say "up to you" like in the good old days. Maybe I'm picking the ones that are in demand. In general I'm getting the impression that these girls are just spoiled with too much attention. There seems to be a lot more hotels getting built, but no more bars. Every time I come back here, another bar is gone and some sort of korean establishment is built. Koreans are courteous, I don't doubt that, but I wish they weren't turning angeles into a small Korea town.
I hit up the freelancer clubs on Monday night. Skytrax was about half full. The new Mega Dance club, had about 10 people in it. I don't see how they're going to stay in business, they seem to be targetting a higher end clientele. But do higher end clientele really come to angeles? High society was 75% full on a Monday night / Tuesday morning and eventually got busier. This is around 12:30 am. But man, there were some real uglies there. Past prime women who should hang up their bras and retire.
In general prices are going up. 3500 bar fine in dollhouse. Flamingo bar had only 350 ladies drinks. No singles. Looks going down everywhere. Attitude getting worse. Has been like this for years. Oh well. Goodbye angeles.
On the topic of the Korean owned bars in the AFter Dark strip. I'm sure they are happy to take your money, blue is blue. But good luck getting a bar fine there if you're not korean, japanese or of asian descent (except filipino. For sure don't be filipino). The girls have a heavy preference for Korean clients in this strip.
On this particular trip to AC, I did not have any runners at all. Every girl I barfined was happy to stay till 7. 00 am, although a couple over slept till past 10.30 am which did annoy me. I think the bed must have been rather comfortable compared to the floor in their dorms. On my last night / last morning, the spinner (part Melanesian / part Pinay) I was with asked if she could come with me to Manila! Sorry honey, but I've got to work. I reduced the tips I paid, thinking there wasn't much point in just handing out cash to the girls. All overnighters got 300 PHP plus a chocolate bar from home and they looked pretty pleased. In fact, the next day they were all texting me, hoping I would invite them back.
To ensure an overnight stay, I did take the effort to double check with the mamasan that it was okay, while the girl was present. Also, I chose the girls from second tier bars who had narturally friendly attitudes (but not necessarily any less pretty). I only bought one double LD each for candidates, and if the interview went well, I paid the barfine. If I barfined, the waitress got a 50 PHP tip. If I walked away, the waitress got a 20 PHP tip. On this trip, apart from a few SMLs, I mainly drank local rum on the rocks. Less calories and it was a lot less filling than beer.
I also got very good treatment from the Korean bar owners. One Korean owner pulled me off the street and into his bar and welcomed me to stay. Another Korean owner at After Dark got out his Samsung Pad and showed me the pictures of all his girls to select from. When the girl I was after "Anne" wasn't on stage, he called the mamasan over to take care of me. None of this type of positive behaviour has happened to me at the Korean bars before, so I think there is a softening in their attitude. Money is money.
My opinion: Not worth the effort for a 1 day trip. My usual trip is 4 days to angeles. Personally I think angeles is going downhill, but others seems to still really enjoy it.
Originally this was not on my itinerary as I have 10 days in Makati, 4 days for business and I've put aside 3 days for just lounging around. Having read some quick reports and instructions on how to get there by bus, I was thinking of taking a day trip to AC or a quick overnight and return in the evening the next day. I'm not sure if it's worth it or if I should save it for another time. This will be in the mid part of January next year so I don't know if it's a busy time, if most of the girls will be away visiting their families for the holidays as Christmas season tends to extend beyond January in the Philippines.
Mr Enternational
11-28-18, 02:06
I reduced the tips I paid, thinking there wasn't much point in just handing out cash to the girls. All overnighters got 300 PHP plus a chocolate bar from home and they looked pretty pleased. In fact, the next day they were all texting me, hoping I would invite them back.Exactly. Because it means shit. I have never given tips, candy, or none of that. Just straight dick. But still the girls want to come back. All it does is make you feel warm and fuzzy inside I guess.
At home got this Thai chick in the bed with me. Last night she said $75 for LT. I told her $30. She said okay. Now I can't get this broad to leave! She even helped me with my laundry. So what would have been the difference had I said okay to her original $75? Not a gd thing. Same with tips.
I also got very good treatment from the Korean bar owners. One Korean owner pulled me off the street and into his bar and welcomed me to stay.I have also reported this happening to me before. But those damn Koreans are so prejudice and only out for self according to many on the board.
Great report.
At home got this Thai chick in the bed with me. Last night she said $75 for LT. I told her $30. She said okay. Now I can't get this broad to leave! She even helped me with my laundry. So what would have been the difference had I said okay to her original $75? Not a gd thing. Same with tips.Wrong!! 😁 you would have been marked as a soft touch and then had to bargain hard with her or her friends for a $60ST 😲.
But those damn Koreans are so prejudice and only out for self according to many on the board.
Great report.I've often said this is exactly the case if you sit at the bar, nursing one drink, scowling at the Koreans and complain that they get all the good girls.
Say Hello, have a laugh, buy a couple of beers and the Koreans can be very accommodating and can certainly party hard.
NapaSlapper
11-28-18, 08:51
Just a few observations of my time in Angeles last few days.
The perimeter bars, much the same, many perimeter bars quiet of both girls and punters, the few bars that have punters and girls are Korean owned and the girls definitely prefer the Korean punters, all are welcome though for a beer and I was made to feel welcome, girl quality definitely low in the dozen or so bars I visited on perimeter.
Fields, Atlantis bar had customers and was the busiest for girl numbers and punters of all the bars I visited on fields ave, no stunners but a couple of cuties in the shows, tabled 2 separate showgirls for a drink, both were pleasant, when asked to barfine one stated she does not barfine at all and is married to a pinoy, the other girl was about the best girl I had seen all trip (but not a stunner) and would come to my hotel after work for short time but demanded 5,000 pesos, offered 3,000 pesos which she laughed at, left empty handed.
In most fields ave bigger bars saw many Koreans, Japanese, Malaysians, throwing money around like millionaires and hence have all the better looking girls sitting with them, its easy to see where bargirls get the princess attitude from.
Skytraxs disco, very small amount of freelancer girls in here tonight (Saturday), most fairly rough, the freelancers were mainly on the dance floor surrounded by a mixture of Malays, Japanese, and a couple of older westerners, basically the guys outnumbered the girls by a long long way, saw nothing to my taste, moved on.
High society disco, more freelancers here and a jump up in quality girls, no stunners but some cuties, the punters were totally different here to skytraxs, most if not all were Koreans, a much younger crowd here, the best looking girls were sat at tables with Koreans surrounded by top shelf bottles and a table full of food, again easy to see where the girls get the princess syndrome from, spoke to one girl in passing to the cr, she was tall, cute with light skin, asked if she wanted to get a drink but she was out with her boyfriend (Korean).
Over the few days and after visiting many bars / clubs I found it very hard to find attractive / slim girls in numbers, yes there a very small amount of girls around (mostly show girls) but trying to get them to barfine was problematic at best, they are just in such high demand for drinks, the couple of girls who did accept (club ra) insisted on short time only (3000 pesos) ,they were so so back at the room but high prices and a was left with a feeling of disappointment.
I read from some on this board that Angeles is wall to wall stunners, that the guys are in control, they have their choice of multiple stunners begging them for barfine, these guys claim they always insist on long time multiple pops with the girls and claim that they will pay them what they choose or feel is fair and only in the morning and dependent on performance, all I can say is these guys are either dreaming or must be choosing some very, very desperate lower class girls.
All in all, The guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.
BrainDrain
11-28-18, 23:33
All in all, The guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.Walking St & Perimeter AC are a service economy. The more you pay the more you get.
Cali Scorpio
11-29-18, 02:02
All in all, The guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.During my last AC trip, almost every BG I spoke to said they hate being barfined by Korean and Malaysian / Indian guys because most are quite abusive in the sack (like to slap the girls around and don't take no for an answer). Indian guys also have a reputation for taking a girl back to the hotel and then expecting her to have sex with their buddies.
Just left Cebu this morning. And I found pretty much the same scene that you did. The Koreans ruined Angeles, just like they ruined the Cebu bar scene. Its a different world out there. There are no stunners in Angeles in my book, but there are some cuties. But they know they're in high demand, and thus call their own shots.
Just a few observations of my time in Angeles last few days.
The perimeter bars, much the same, many perimeter bars quiet of both girls and punters, the few bars that have punters and girls are Korean owned and the girls definitely prefer the Korean punters, all are welcome though for a beer and I was made to feel welcome, girl quality definitely low in the dozen or so bars I visited on perimeter.
Fields, Atlantis bar had customers and was the busiest for girl numbers and punters of all the bars I visited on fields ave, no stunners but a couple of cuties in the shows, tabled 2 separate showgirls for a drink, both were pleasant, when asked to barfine one stated she does not barfine at all and is married to a pinoy, the other girl was about the best girl I had seen all trip (but not a stunner) and would come to my hotel after work for short time but demanded 5,000 pesos, offered 3,000 pesos which she laughed at, left empty handed.
In most fields ave bigger bars saw many Koreans, Japanese, Malaysians, throwing money around like millionaires and hence have all the better looking girls sitting with them, its easy to see where bargirls get the princess attitude from.
Skytraxs disco, very small amount of freelancer girls in here tonight (Saturday), most fairly rough, the freelancers were mainly on the dance floor surrounded by a mixture of Malays, Japanese, and a couple of older westerners, basically the guys outnumbered the girls by a long long way, saw nothing to my taste, moved on.
High society disco, more freelancers here and a jump up in quality girls, no stunners but some cuties, the punters were totally different here to skytraxs, most if not all were Koreans, a much younger crowd here, the best looking girls were sat at tables with Koreans surrounded by top shelf bottles and a table full of food, again easy to see where the girls get the princess syndrome from, spoke to one girl in passing to the cr, she was tall, cute with light skin, asked if she wanted to get a drink but she was out with her boyfriend (Korean).
Over the few days and after visiting many bars / clubs I found it very hard to find attractive / slim girls in numbers, yes there a very small amount of girls around (mostly show girls) but trying to get them to barfine was problematic at best, they are just in such high demand for drinks, the couple of girls who did accept (club ra) insisted on short time only (3000 pesos) ,they were so so back at the room but high prices and a was left with a feeling of disappointment.
I read from some on this board that Angeles is wall to wall stunners, that the guys are in control, they have their choice of multiple stunners begging them for barfine, these guys claim they always insist on long time multiple pops with the girls and claim that they will pay them what they choose or feel is fair and only in the morning and dependent on performance, all I can say is these guys are either dreaming or must be choosing some very, very desperate lower class girls.
All in all, The guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.
many Koreans, Japanese, Malaysians, throwing money around like millionaires and hence have all the better looking girls sitting with them, its easy to see where bargirls get the princess attitude from...guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.For these Koreans, this is their idea of 'dating': for them, they're out on a date! While you're going out as a john looking to make a transaction on the most favorable terms you can negotiate.
All in all, The guys that seem to be having the best time in Angeles is the guys that are throwing money around like it is going out of fashion, the guys that are not Asian and not spending large are not getting much if any attention from the cuties from what I can see, The better looking girls are definitely in the driving seat, don't like their terms like double lady drinks and short time one pop then one will be sleeping alone, no loss to the cuties as there are multiple high spending guys willing to buy many drinks in the bars and to accept the girls terms when it comes to leaving.
Just left Cebu this morning. And I found pretty much the same scene that you did. The Koreans ruined Angeles, just like they ruined the Cebu bar scene. Its a different world out there. There are no stunners in Angeles in my book, but there are some cuties. But they know they're in high demand, and thus call their own shots.So your both suggesting hitting the bars for drinks but using apps for hookups?
The AC offers I've received online while in Subic have been totally doable. Also recent posters that have used these seemed to have a good time.
NapaSlapper
11-29-18, 13:20
So your both suggesting hitting the bars for drinks but using apps for hookups?
The AC offers I've received online while in Subic have been totally doable. Also recent posters that have used these seemed to have a good time.I have indeed had good success from paid online dating sites but this was with non pros, takes a long time to talk the girl into meeting up and a few dates before one gets into her panties but time well spent IMHO but of course one has to have long periods in the Phills to be able to pull this off.
As far as the apps that are geared to freelance prostitutes visiting a punters hotel I have had very mixed experiences, most girls were not as their photos, even taking text to video call was not much better, I had spoke to a cutie via skype who agreed to be at my hotel in an hour, one hour turned into two hours and the girl that turned up was not the girl I had skyped with although she swore blind that it was her, this girl was 10 years older,20 kg heavier, obviously sent her away but many hours of text, call and waiting at the hotel wasted for nothing.
The few better looking / slim girls I had from the freelancer apps were the higher priced girls, minimum 3000 pesos short time, any online girls that priced themselves at 1,500 -2000 pesos were just not to my taste.
Pinays absolutely know their worth in today's world especially those selling pussy, want the younger, better lookers then they won't come cheap, settle for much less and the price is a little better.
In all honesty I think Angeles city, Cebu and Manila have had their day as far as a must visit mongering destination, whichever route one tries.
Engine Driver
11-29-18, 21:11
During my last AC trip, almost every BG I spoke to said they hate being barfined by Korean and Malaysian / Indian guys because most are quite abusive in the sack (like to slap the girls around and don't take no for an answer). Indian guys also have a reputation for taking a girl back to the hotel and then expecting her to have sex with their buddies.This sort of racial profiling serves no purpose. Best to focus on the girls and not worry about the punters. Girls will tell you what you want to hear. I've never seen a girl refuse a Korean.
Your last comment has been hashed to death on the Thailand boards. There's no need to bring it up here.
In all honesty I think Angeles city, Cebu and Manila have had their day as far as a must visit mongering destination, whichever route one tries.Not even Manila? A city with millions of single women can't keep the gogo's packed with higher quality merchandise?
Engine Driver
11-29-18, 22:23
Not even Manila? A city with millions of single women can't keep the gogo's packed with higher quality merchandise?I think some people are going to Angeles City with very high expectations. You need to be realisitc. Are you fat, bald, ugly, over 50 and divorced? Are you desirable to hot looking 20-year olds in London, LA or Sydney? The Phillipines is no different. However, you have an economic advantage which makes you think you are highly desirable and the poor girls will convince you of this.
If you set your sights a bit lower, a great time can be had. I had a fabulous time in AC last week. I didn't try to do too much, didn't try to barfine in the big Tier 1 bars, kept to my own pace and was happy to go with 6's instead of 9's and 10's. In fact, some of the best times can be had with 5's, 6's and 7's as they don't have the ego, bad attitude or princess complex. Pinays are so damn affectionate and loving for the short time you have them. Sure, it might be an act, but they pull it off with such sincerity.
Above all, don't get hung up about the Korean, Indian, Japanese or Chinese punters. Just focus on the girls.
Engine Driver
11-29-18, 22:30
A lot people think that the Korean invasion has ruined AC. My views differ. I'm convinced that the Koreans have rejuvenated AC. Without them, there would not be this level of development in AC. The old white men from USA, Australia or UK were hardly in any position to develop the bar scene and they would have been hopeless at dealing with the underworld and politicians. We can all sit at some expat bar and reminisce about the good old days, but the fact is that AC is stronger than ever.
With the Koreans, we have seen new hotels, new bars, new restaurants and general liveliness return to AC. The place is actually buzzing now with economic activity.
PedroMorales
11-29-18, 23:03
With the Koreans, we have seen new hotels, new bars, new restaurants and general liveliness return to AC. The place is actually buzzing now with economic activity.Although President Duterete will be pleased at how Korean mongers and Koore and gangsters are behind Angeles' economic progress, how precisely does this help me get my rocks off? Where is the trickle down effect to my erect penis?
I think some people are going to Angeles City with very high expectations. You need to be realisitc. Are you fat, bald, ugly, over 50 and divorced? Are you desirable to hot looking 20-year olds in London, LA or Sydney? The Phillipines is no different. However, you have an economic advantage which makes you think you are highly desirable and the poor girls will convince you of this.
If you set your sights a bit lower, a great time can be had. I had a fabulous time in AC last week. I didn't try to do too much, didn't try to barfine in the big Tier 1 bars, kept to my own pace and was happy to go with 6's instead of 9's and 10's. In fact, some of the best times can be had with 5's, 6's and 7's as they don't have the ego, bad attitude or princess complex. Pinays are so damn affectionate and loving for the short time you have them. Sure, it might be an act, but they pull it off with such sincerity.
Above all, don't get hung up about the Korean, Indian, Japanese or Chinese punters. Just focus on the girls.Korean food is one of my top favorite three cuisines, so the massive influx has made Angeles perfect for me. Great food, great pussy.
Montecristo
11-30-18, 02:43
A lot people think that the Korean invasion has ruined AC. My views differ. I'm convinced that the Koreans have rejuvenated AC. Without them, there would not be this level of development in AC. The old white men from USA, Australia or UK were hardly in any position to develop the bar scene and they would have been hopeless at dealing with the underworld and politicians. We can all sit at some expat bar and reminisce about the good old days, but the fact is that AC is stronger than ever.
With the Koreans, we have seen new hotels, new bars, new restaurants and general liveliness return to AC. The place is actually buzzing now with economic activity.Recently in Angeles I confirm the fact the Koreans are indeed moving things in the city, I saw many caucasians but most of them too old to help dynamize the city and the monger scene. And has I said in a previous post I never felt unwelcome in Korean places.
Also in Pattaya farangs are no longer the main force in the city, many years have elapsed, the world is changing, we just have to get used and adapt.
Mr Enternational
11-30-18, 03:27
With the Koreans, we have seen new hotels, new bars, new restaurants and general liveliness return to AC. The place is actually buzzing now with economic activity.Funny how people do not realize that. As I have asked before, what about the places like Rio and Sosua that have gone to shit and there are no Koreans? Koreans have not ruined shit.
Although President Duterete will be pleased at how Korean mongers and Koore and gangsters are behind Angeles' economic progress, how precisely does this help me get my rocks off? Where is the trickle down effect to my erect penis?You better have trickle up of your finances to get your erect penis calm down. Angeles City historically was to help get soldiers and sailors get their rocks off. Mainly US military. Philippines had a fascination with America. Almost all the bars were managed by westerners. They kept their bars stocked with fresh faces and western clientele demanded cheap prices. It was this way for a long time even after USA pulled out troops. Visiting Angeles was fun and cheap. Girls from provinces, simple, unjaded, ready to please, awed by westerners, eyes twinkling with an expectation of good life married to an westerner. Slowly there was a trickle of Asians mainly Koreans which has become a torrent now. I remember the time when the girls did not want to go with Asians.
Solution as far as Koreans are concerned is money. After all the main attraction is money. So Koreans started throwing money at everything that moves and got the attention so much so that some girls will not go with anybody else. When there is a demand supply will come in the form of hotels, casinoes, massage places, bars mainly catering to Koreans. Korean businessmen having conquered Cebu know how to influence politicians by throwing money are entrenching themselves in Angeles. Pretty soon it will be playground for Koreans only if it has not become one now.
Others are left to pick up the discards. Just look st the bar fine. For a long time it held from 1000 at perimeter bars to 1500 at fields. Then it jumped from 1500 to almost 4000 in a few short years. So anybody going to Angeles to have a cheap vacation with girls think twice Be prepared to pay lot of money, runners, stuck ups, rejections.
Engine Driver
11-30-18, 04:43
So I connected with this chick on Tinder while in AC, but just ran out of time to meet. She is a regular girl who meets foreigners for some pocket money. I'd classify her as a semi pro.
Look where this conversation is headed.
Chocha Monger
11-30-18, 05:16
During my last AC trip, almost every BG I spoke to said they hate being barfined by Korean and Malaysian / Indian guys because most are quite abusive in the sack (like to slap the girls around and don't take no for an answer). Indian guys also have a reputation for taking a girl back to the hotel and then expecting her to have sex with their buddies.Perhaps, but that was before the girls saw Christian Grey slapping around, hog tying, and beast fucking Anastasia in all her holes in the notorious Fifty Shades trilogy, which got progressively darker. As long as the Korean and Malaysian mongers throw around obscene amounts of money, the girls will continue to satiate their peculiar cravings for flesh. Money is the prime motive for the girls engaging in the flesh trade in the first place.
Bar girls also have negative racial profiles for all the other races and / or nationalities that do not apply to the customer speaking with them at the moment. Just tell them that you are of a different ethnicity or nationality and ask them what they think of mongers from your real ethnicity / nationality. You may be surprised. LOL!
I think some people are going to Angeles City with very high expectations. You need to be realisitc. Are you fat, bald, ugly, over 50 and divorced? Are you desirable to hot looking 20-year olds in London, LA or Sydney? The Phillipines is no different. However, you have an economic advantage which makes you think you are highly desirable and the poor girls will convince you of this.
I totaly agree.
The Elephant Man could get laid in the PI. Sure everyone has bad days but if anyone is consistently striking out then it's time for some introspection.
If anyone is that guy who only wants #10 Stunners and you are having no luck then make yourself attractive to them and give them what they want. Be it a wardrobe or gym makeover, be presentable and someone they can use to impress others. Stop complaining about every peso and be prepared to drop some loose cash.
Another option is the civillian in the bank, market or chemist who is just as pretty as the A grade bar girl. Just without the on point makeup, flashy jewellery and entitlement attitude to match.
If you set your sights a bit lower, a great time can be had. I had a fabulous time in AC last week. I didn't try to do too much, didn't try to barfine in the big Tier 1 bars, kept to my own pace and was happy to go with 6's instead of 9's and 10's. In fact, some of the best times can be had with 5's, 6's and 7's as they don't have the ego, bad attitude or princess complex. Pinays are so damn affectionate and loving for the short time you have them. Sure, it might be an act, but they pull it off with such sincerity.Amen to this. Of course everyone likes a pretty girl on their arm and to impress their buddies. But the truth is that these girls, with all their options, simply do not have to try very hard to get or impress a guy. Those lower down the pole are often much more fun and able to please. She will always find ways to say talk you for picking her over the taller, skinnier, younger, prettier girl.
Above all, don't get hung up about the Korean, Indian, Japanese or Chinese punters. Just focus on the girls.Why is it always Us vs Them? God forbid a Westerner buy a Korean a beer and join in. What happens after that might surprise some people 😲.
Engine Driver
11-30-18, 05:32
Although President Duterete will be pleased at how Korean mongers and Koore and gangsters are behind Angeles' economic progress, how precisely does this help me get my rocks off? Where is the trickle down effect to my erect penis?The trickle down effect to your penis is that 1000's of bar girls will stay with you all night for $60. Where else can you get that? Thanks to the Koreans, AC is still seen as the El Dorado for poor girls from the provinces. Without the Koreans willing to launder their drug proceeds through bars and restaurants, you would not get this opportunity.
Mr Enternational
11-30-18, 06:39
Another option is the civillian in the bank, market or chemist who is just as pretty as the A grade bar girl. Just without the on point makeup, flashy jewellery and entitlement attitude to match.That is pretty much my M.O. I don't buy into all that glitzy shit. Just a minute ago I was talking to one of my girls here in Thailand about the picture on her profile. I was like who the fuck is that? She said it is me; you just have never seen me with makeup on. She is just a regular chick that works for herself and never asks for anything. She sells purses and other odd shit. 2 nights ago I went over there and fell asleep across the bed. She was precutting, designing, and packaging fake nails so all chicks would have to do is glue and go. It was pretty damn professional.
Although President Duterete will be pleased at how Korean mongers and Koore and gangsters are behind Angeles' economic progress, how precisely does this help me get my rocks off? Where is the trickle down effect to my erect penis?You are a "has been" like most of us. Here you have an extended shelve life provided you have some money.
NapaSlapper
11-30-18, 12:18
Yes we know that its possible to get laid in Angeles every single day if one is willing to greatly lower their expectations as you suggest.
Its also possible to get laid at home by greatly lowering ones expectations, mostly for free.
You claim that Angeles is greatly unproved by the Koreans, I would say that Angeles city is still a shit hole, full of scammers, beggars, homeless thieving street kids, rude relentless street vendors, terrible smoke bellowing from every exhaust, terrible food, nothing to do but barhop, etc.
Yes there has been a few new hotels built but look at the prices, most being 100% more expensive than similar hotels in nearby mongering destinations, so where's the benefit for the punter.
We can try to dress up Angeles city all we like but the facts still remain, most guys I know are willing to travel half way around the world at great expense to fuck the type of girls they can only dream of back home, most guys don't want the Angeles plain jane with the stretch marks and the jollybee body.
Lets never forget that very nearby mongering destinations offer thousands more far better looking girls that are willing to barfine with anyone regardless of where one comes from all in a much cleaner, safer environment and at lower over all costs when hotel and food are factored in, so again where are the benefits of an Angeles visit for the western punter.
If I did not have to travel to Angeles for work then I for one would not choose to go there at all, looking at the severe lack of westerners all over Angeles city I would say that many feel the same way about Angeles trips.
Wicked Roger
11-30-18, 16:53
This sort of racial profiling serves no purpose. Best to focus on the girls and not worry about the punters. Girls will tell you what you want to hear. I've never seen a girl refuse a Korean.
Your last comment has been hashed to death on the Thailand boards. There's no need to bring it up here.The last comment has been hashed on the UAE board and is true, same for Arab punters so is not surprising they lump everyone of those nationalities the same.
Engine Driver
11-30-18, 22:52
You claim that Angeles is greatly unproved by the Koreans, I would say that Angeles city is still a shit hole, full of scammers, beggars, homeless thieving street kids, rude relentless street vendors, terrible smoke bellowing from every exhaust, terrible food, nothing to do but barhop, etc.
Yes there has been a few new hotels built but look at the prices, most being 100% more expensive than similar hotels in nearby mongering destinations, so where's the benefit for the punter.
Lets never forget that very nearby mongering destinations offer thousands more far better looking girls that are willing to barfine with anyone regardless of where one comes from all in a much cleaner, safer environment and at lower over all costs when hotel and food are factored in, so again where are the benefits of an Angeles visit for the western punter.
No argument from me. I totally agree it is a shit hole. However, it has a charm to it that keeps beckoning me to return. I like the fact that the girls speak English, there's an "anything goes" feel to the place and there some fine hotels now. The ABC Hotel is so nice, that I actually consider staying there a holiday in itself, not taking into account the girls.
By nearby cheaper mongering destinations, are you referring to Pattaya, Bangkok, HCM City or Phnom Penh?
Mr Enternational
11-30-18, 23:31
I like the fact that the girls speak English,And where does that get you? 8 times out of 10 they fuck up my order. Might as well be speaking Greek.
By nearby cheaper mongering destinations, are you referring to Pattaya, Bangkok, HCM City or Phnom Penh?HCM can't compare to anything even remotely sex tourism based, its a backpackers paradise is about all it is. Haven't been to PP but from what I heard its a bit rough around the edges, both in the quality of girls and the scene itself. Bangkok should be compared with Manila, two big cities fighting it out. So lets compare Pattaya to Angeles. How does each compare to these topics: safety, transportation, food, hotels, massages, bars, communication and girls. Under girls lets touch on quality and prices.
Safety: For me Pattaya is a very safe place to travel around, not once have I ever felt threatened.
Transportation: I found almost any form of transportation fair and pretty much on time depending on traffic. The baht bus scene really opens up a wide area. The overall transportation network in Thailand is fantastic.
Food: A wide variety to be found in Pattaya, nothing much to complain about with the Aussie beef being imported to keep the burgers from tasting odd.
Hotels: Everything from dirt cheap to a bit on the expensive side for everyones budget in Pattaya.
Massages: I do like a good long massage by a pretty girl to break up the afternoons, Pattaya has plenty of these places.
Bar scene: I do like the regular bar scene with cute girls to keep me company and or be taken away for some fun, Pattaya is loaded with them.
Communication: I'll be honest here, I do like short conversations with women but at times I just can't stand having to listen to them. Not being able to communicate can be both a blessing and a curse. I'm not too upset that its hard to talk to some girls in Pattaya.
And finally the girls: Pattaya has them in spades, high quality and lower quality in every nook and crannie. Some are cheap and can be had for all night romps for $40 usd or so, others are high priced and expect a higher payout closer to $100 and rarely want to stay the entire night. I can take any of them, I don't limit myself to top tier when some of the mid tier girls are so much fun.
KilledSoul
11-30-18, 23:44
Bar girls also have negative racial profiles for all the other races and / or nationalities that do not apply to the customer speaking with them at the moment. Just tell them that you are of a different ethnicity or nationality and ask them what they think of mongers from your real ethnicity / nationality. You may be surprised. LOL!Damn that's true! Once WG in BKK told me that falang dicks are disgusting because they have no color. Whatever that means?
Though ethnicity does matter as lots of WGs will outright reject mongers because of their race.
Engine Driver
12-01-18, 01:11
And where does that get you? 8 times out of 10 they fuck up my order. Might as well be speaking Greek.In my country, "Greek" means anal, so I'm okay with that.
Mr E, I know you have several girlfriends in various cities around the world. What's your attraction to AC?
Engine Driver
12-01-18, 01:22
The best thing about AC is that it continuously provides unexpected, weird and interesting opportunities. I'm sure Pattaya does as well, but the Pinays seem flexible for anything, particularly if they are not 8's, 9's or 10's. Let me give you an example.
I went into Pony Tails at about 2. 30 pm one afternoon. I sat down and within 2 seconds, an in-house massage girl came to me and started kneading my shoulders. Another 10 seconds later, another in-house massage girl started kneeding my thighs. All very good. We agreed on 10 minutes massage for a purple note each. At the end of the massage, they asked me if I would like them to come to my room for a proper massage. I then asked about boom boom. They replied "of course sir". So here I was, thinking about barfining two girls for 2,500 each, taking them to my room for few hours of playtime. Not bad for $100.
They were a little overweight, and would be rated a 5, but it sure would have been fun. I didn't go with it as I had another appointment that afternoon, but it was amusing.
I asked them why they were massage girls and not dancers. They replied that it was more lucrative doing massage for tips. 30 customers a shift means 3,000 peso without needing to fuck anyone. Smart.
Mr E, I know you have several girlfriends in various cities around the world. What's your attraction to AC?I don't know Mr E but I will say that some like him seem to be able to have fun in a morgue or where ever they are while others are constantly writting negative posts about everywhere.
Its hard to take seriously lots of recent posts about can't find attractive girls or have fun in AC or Patts. 😲.
Threadbare
12-01-18, 05:46
The best thing about AC is that it continuously provides unexpected, weird and interesting opportunities. I'm sure Pattaya does as well, but the Pinays seem flexible for anything, particularly if they are not 8's, 9's or 10's. Let me give you an example.
I went into Pony Tails at about 2. 30 pm one afternoon. I sat down and within 2 seconds, an in-house massage girl came to me and started kneading my shoulders. Another 10 seconds later, another in-house massage girl started kneeding my thighs. All very good. We agreed on 10 minutes massage for a purple note each. At the end of the massage, they asked me if I would like them to come to my room for a proper massage. I then asked about boom boom. They replied "of course sir". So here I was, thinking about barfining two girls for 2,500 each, taking them to my room for few hours of playtime. Not bad for $100.
They were a little overweight, and would be rated a 5, but it sure would have been fun. I didn't go with it as I had another appointment that afternoon, but it was amusing.
I asked them why they were massage girls and not dancers. They replied that it was more lucrative doing massage for tips. 30 customers a shift means 3,000 peso without needing to fuck anyone. Smart.I have said the same thing in the past about girls who will take a drink or two with you but don't BF, they can make 2 or 3 k without taking their panties off!
Sorry to burst your bubble. From my experience Koreans are highly exclusive. Partly due to language, they don't tend to speak english well, but also due to cultural reasons. Sure they're also quite respectful and will accept your beer with appreciation, but to "join in" with any group of koreans. Good luck on that one.
Why is it always Us vs Them? God forbid a Westerner buy a Korean a beer and join in. What happens after that might surprise some people 😲.
Mr Enternational
12-01-18, 10:24
Mr E, I know you have several girlfriends in various cities around the world. What's your attraction to AC?I don't like AC, but if you want some pussy it is one of the top places to go. What I do not like about it is there is nothing to do in the daytime. I do not have any complaints with the chicks.
Before my first time going there I asked a buddy what it was like. He said it is like Pattaya, but 1/50 of the size. That is why I really think you can not even compare AC with Pattaya. In AC you have Fields and you have Perimeter. It would be no tough feat to visit every venue in AC in the same day. In Pattaya I don't even think you could do it in the same week. But if I had to compare then I would say Pattaya is like Las Vegas, whereas AC is like Reno.
After my first time going I did not think I would be going back. Then I started scuba diving around PI and Tiger Air had a cheap flight from Clark to Bangkok. So when I finished diving somewhere, I would go to AC for like 2 days before heading to Thailand. Eventually that flight got canceled, but during that time I picked up a girlfriend that I would go back to see along with American friends that live there. The place is so boring in the day that all my friends do is go to Kokomo's and hang out, then walk to Margarita Station and hang out. Then they go home to do whatever, and later on it is back to Kokomo's. In Pattaya it is sometimes hard to catch up with friends because people are always busy doing something, but we have our regular days that we meet up to bowl, play pool, play cards, and play softball. And there are 100,000 places to meet up, unlike the Kokomo's and Margarita Station deal of AC.
So most of my time in AC is spent either waiting for night time, or waiting until it is time to get out of there. It got to where my girlfriend would just take the bus and meet me in the airport in Manila for us to head off to another city. Eventually I broke up with her. Last couple of trips to PI, I haven't even gone to AC. I have just stayed in Manila. I have friends that love AC though and swear by it. But they will admit that if you go from Pattaya to AC then it will be anticlimactic. For someone that has to travel far to get to these parts I always recommend they do both so they can decide for themselves. The flight is only 3 hours and it is really cheap if you buy it enough time in advance on like Cebu Pacific or Air Asia.
I've been using tinder and tantan but I rarely meet girls off of these apps. Dunno why exactly. After hundreds of "matches" I've only met maybe 2 girls. Its generally a waste of time, but kinda fun and addictive to keep swiping and dreaming about possibilities.
Having completed my angeles trip. I finished with just 2 bar fines in 4 days. Quality is just not there for me. I may be a bit picky. I did meet a girl in high society on Monday and met up with her again for a movie and dancing another night. This trip was very different from my past trips, its glaringly obvious. Girls don't want to go long time anymore. Bar fines are all much higher now. Its hard not to blame the koreans, as they seem to be the new big influence, and with them comes their culture.
Well the only constant in life is change. And I've conceded that the angeles I once knew is no more. Ultimately, I think angeles will eventually cater only to koreans. If you think you will be welcome, think again. Look at Korea and the sex scene there. That's what's coming. Highly exclusive brothels where foreigners are unwelcome.
On a positive note, in general I believe the bikini bar itself may soon be a thing of the past as more and more girls move online.
So your both suggesting hitting the bars for drinks but using apps for hookups?
The AC offers I've received online while in Subic have been totally doable. Also recent posters that have used these seemed to have a good time.
Your mention of skype reminded me of something that happened to me recently.
I matched a girl on Tinder who was quite eager to video call with me. She was a probably a good 8 or 9 out of 10. Hot and doable. Anyways, I get on skype with her, and her mic does not work. I can't hear her and she can't hear me as well. She told me some story about her phone getting stolen when she went to the bathroom in the public market. She said she was on vacation with her family in the philippines, but she's from Singapore. Back to the point, since her phone had been stolen, she was using her computer to skype, but there was something wrong with the audio on her computer. I could still see her video on skype. She was really hot, showing a decent amount of cleavage. She then suggested that we just chat using skype instead of video calling. Fine by me. We start chatting a bit and she takes the conversation in a sexual direction almost immediately. Alright that's fine. She's hot and all. Then she suggests that we take it up another level and says that she will show me her boobs if I show her my cock. Then I realized that this was a scam I had heard about where they get you to show your dick and record the video to use to blackmail you. I called her out on it and she started swearing at me in Tagalog.
Moral of the story is be wary of skype calls. There seems to be some way to easily fake the video.
I have indeed had good success from paid online dating sites but this was with non pros, takes a long time to talk the girl into meeting up and a few dates before one gets into her panties but time well spent IMHO but of course one has to have long periods in the Phills to be able to pull this off.
As far as the apps that are geared to freelance prostitutes visiting a punters hotel I have had very mixed experiences, most girls were not as their photos, even taking text to video call was not much better, I had spoke to a cutie via skype who agreed to be at my hotel in an hour, one hour turned into two hours and the girl that turned up was not the girl I had skyped with although she swore blind that it was her, this girl was 10 years older,20 kg heavier, obviously sent her away but many hours of text, call and waiting at the hotel wasted for nothing.
The few better looking / slim girls I had from the freelancer apps were the higher priced girls, minimum 3000 pesos short time, any online girls that priced themselves at 1,500 -2000 pesos were just not to my taste.
Pinays absolutely know their worth in today's world especially those selling pussy, want the younger, better lookers then they won't come cheap, settle for much less and the price is a little better.
In all honesty I think Angeles city, Cebu and Manila have had their day as far as a must visit mongering destination, whichever route one tries.
Its hard not to blame the koreans, as they seem to be the new big influence, and with them comes their culture.
Well the only constant in life is change. And I've conceded that the angeles I once knew is no more. Ultimately, I think angeles will eventually cater only to koreans. If you think you will be welcome, think again. Look at Korea and the sex scene there. That's what's coming. Highly exclusive brothels where foreigners are unwelcome.While I agree with what you're saying, the saving grace here is Filipinas aren't Korean women. Hookers in Korea will generally ignore non-koreans for xenophobic, linguistic and racial reasons, because they can afford to. For every foreign customer there are in Korea, there are thousands of korean guys willing to pay the same, plus those guys won't touch a hooker who is known to fraternise with foreign men.
In the Philippines, Filipinas can't afford to be as picky, even in AC. Sure, a few might have princess syndrome and will go through their 'koreans only' phase, eventually korean guys tire these girls out to the point where they start to detest the nationality they once dreamed of.
The majority of women don't have that option of being picky, there are only so many koreans to go around for starters. The other thing is these women are adept at telling you what you want to hear (depending on your race and nationality). The same girl that tells koreans she doesn't do foreigners will be bouncing on your cock later that night, telling you how she prefers foreigners to nasty koreans. Another girl who tells white guys she doesn't go with blacks will swallow a BBC whole later that week, after telling her black boyfriend of the night how white guys gross her out.
At the end of the day it's all about the pesos. Money talks, bullshit walks. If it's not the koreans paying these women top pesos, it'll be another group. Times change, we have to change along with them. Luckily (from our selfish perspective), the Philippines is still a developing country where everything is cheap relative to where we're from, pussy included.
Besides, no one should be paying BF rates unless you're ok with ST. Instead, get her number and arrange to meet her when she's off work. Usually works better for both of you.
Engine Driver
12-02-18, 02:57
Having completed my angeles trip. I finished with just 2 bar fines in 4 days. Quality is just not there for me. I may be a bit picky.
So of the thousands of bar girls there, only two met your expectations? Amazing. We must live in parallel universes.
On a positive note, in general I believe the bikini bar itself may soon be a thing of the past as more and more girls move online.Bikini bars exist to flush through proceeds of crime. They are not there to just provide eye candy for you and me. Bit hard to launder money just through online apps. Besides, there are people around who actually enjoy going bar hopping and having a drink. I don't think the crime lords are going to just shut down the bars anytime soon.
Having completed my angeles trip. I finished with just 2 bar fines in 4 days. Quality is just not there for me. I may be a bit picky.
So of the thousands of bar girls there, only two met your expectations? Amazing. We must live in parallel universes.Or there are too many to choose from and selection anxiety sets in. 😁.
I do admit, my standards are a bit higher and my tastes line up more with koreans taste in women. Something to consider when reading my posts.
That being said, I did say that there are some cuties that are in Angeles, but the cute ones know they are cute and are spoiled. I was mainly looking for a long time companion to stay with me through the night, and none of the cute ones would agree to that.
So of the thousands of bar girls there, only two met your expectations? Amazing. We must live in parallel universes.
Bikini bars exist to flush through proceeds of crime. They are not there to just provide eye candy for you and me. Bit hard to launder money just through online apps. Besides, there are people around who actually enjoy going bar hopping and having a drink. I don't think the crime lords are going to just shut down the bars anytime soon.
Mr Enternational
12-02-18, 05:42
That being said, I did say that there are some cuties that are in Angeles, but the cute ones know they are cute and are spoiled.I disagree. They don't know shit. Do you know how insecure women are? A woman will not ask a man that she likes out because she is afraid to be turned down. So because you think they are cute, does not mean they think they are cute. They simply play off the signals that the guys putting them on a pedestal are throwing at them. Walk in and say how you don't think she is attractive and you would like a different girl, then she will run to the back crying.
Eszpresszo
12-02-18, 07:14
Damn that's true! Once WG in BKK told me that falang dicks are disgusting because they have no color. Whatever that means?
Though ethnicity does matter as lots of WGs will outright reject mongers because of their race.Where did you actually have that problem? I had a Filipina who was married to a Japanese guy tell me Japanese men's equipment is disgusting, because I looked like something on a baby, (whatever that means). In Bali, I had a masseuse coo about how white I was. She even pitched me an offer "I like your white skin, and you have only your one boy (my son). Come live with me in Denpasar and I will take care of you!" I didn't take her up on her offer despite her youth and comely appearance. I knew who would really be taking care of who. That wasn't the only time a local woman responded to me in regards to my ethnicity. But, since then I'm proud of my whiteness. I won't bother to try and get a tan anymore. Being white does wonders in places where many women want to hook up with a "bule". White privilege goes a long way in a lot of places in my experience.
Anyways, did you ask that WG if she had an eye in her vagina?
I disagree. They don't know shit. Do you know how insecure women are? A woman will not ask a man that she likes out because she is afraid to be turned down. So because you think they are cute, does not mean they think they are cute. They simply play off the signals that the guys putting them on a pedestal are throwing at them. Walk in and say how you don't think she is attractive and you would like a different girl, then she will run to the back crying.It sort of explains why the girls are happy to accept various price points based on location as well.
The 9 k Burgos stunner might accept a 3 k stopover on the way to work or even 1500 from a repeat MNL Resident when the bills are coming in.
I disagree. They don't know shit. Do you know how insecure women are? Yes, women are insecure. However if a girl can easily get lady drinks and several bar fine requests every night she damn well knows she's cute.
Yes, women are insecure. However if a girl can easily get lady drinks and several bar fine requests every night she damn well knows she's cute.Yes and No. The cuties know it but they can also be the most insecure. They can look around and see that good looks don't last forever and there are plenty of examples of girls who were cute 3 years ago.
That's why crazy hotties are to be avoided at all costs. 😁.
Dashing Don
12-02-18, 20:57
Much has been made of the Korean threat to the 'Angeles way of life', but I believe its overblown. For the Koreans, their lack of English is their Achilles heel and forces them to go to the bars and make the best of it. Throwing money around. Where else can they go? They can't go online because they don't speak or read English. The majority of them anyway.
I rarely go to bars because I feel like that rather than being in control, I have to compete against other mongers whether Korean or otherwise. Especially in those big factories like Atlantis etc. I didn't come from the other side of the planet for that. We have plenty of that nonsense in the good old USA. Rather, like many here, I've been feasting off Cupid etc for years and have banged literally hundreds from the sites. No Korean threat that I can divine.
For me anyway, Angeles is a total dump but I go for a few days anyway and will again next month. The reason I go is the critical mass of hookers, freelancers, and regular girls that form an unholy alliance where sex is the main raison d'etre as opposed to other spots which may be legitimate tourist places or cities where people actually make a normal living. The atmosphere of sex permeates the entire place and the regular girls that I pursue on the sites are far more amenable to getting it on than in other places. Either they know what is expected of them or they are afraid of the competition from the abundance of professionals.
Then there's the freelancers. An inexhaustible supply at very reasonable prices. I know I'm not alone when I say that from getting on DIA to having a twenty something in your bed can be as little as 15 minutes. Incredible!
Whatever they girls say about preferring this ethnic group or that, I often get the impression, as a Caucasian, that I'm being treated deferentially. I'll hazard a guess and say that our reputation for fairness is at the root of this.
BrainDrain
12-03-18, 04:19
The reason I go is the critical mass of hookers, freelancers, and regular girls that form an unholy alliance where sex is the main raison d'etre as opposed to other spots which may be legitimate tourist places or cities where people actually make a normal living. The atmosphere of sex permeates the entire place and the regular girls that I pursue on the sites are far more amenable to getting it on than in other places. Either they know what is expected of them or they are afraid of the competition from the abundance of professionals.I think that the reputation of AC has brought attractive and willing girls to try their luck here. The growth of the low paid call center agent also provides an incentive for non-pro freelancing. An IQOR nightshift girls might be getting P12 k per month. A few after work meetings can make a big difference.
Happy days.
Engine Driver
12-03-18, 07:57
I think that the reputation of AC has brought attractive and willing girls to try their luck here. The growth of the low paid call center agent also provides an incentive for non-pro freelancing. An IQOR nightshift girls might be getting P12 k per month. A few after work meetings can make a big difference.
Happy days.I agree that an atmosphere of sex permeates the whole place. Everyone knows why you are in AC. Apart from your hotel receptionist (who would risk losing her job), everyone else is fair game. The worst they can do is say no to your requests for a date. AC has long been the El Dorado for poor girls wanting to make a quick buck. A number of massage girls and freelancers on line were previously bar girls, but have opted for an easier and more lucrative way of life doing ST a few times a week.
Much has been made of the Korean threat to the 'Angeles way of life', but I believe its overblown. For the Koreans, their lack of English is their Achilles heel and forces them to go to the bars and make the best of it. Throwing money around. Where else can they go? They can't go online because they don't speak or read English. The majority of them anyway.They don't need to speak English. The girls now learn korean. Any girl in AC who wants a good collection of korean customers these days speaks korean at a lower intermediate conversational level.
There is a pretty large FB group for Korean / Pinay hook ups in AC, and there are multiple korean versions of sites like this where they too share info on girls and establishments.
Engine Driver
12-03-18, 23:19
They don't need to speak English. The girls now learn korean. Any girl in AC who wants a good collection of korean customers these days speaks korean at a lower intermediate conversational level.
There is a pretty large FB group for Korean / Pinay hook ups in AC, and there are multiple korean versions of sites like this where they too share info on girls and establishments.I would concur. In Puerto Galera / Sabang Beach, many of the girls are fluent in Korean. A lot of the shop owners are also fluent in Korean. Many of the Korean guys who have businesses in the Philippines or who are regular visitors are totally fluent in Tagalog.
PedroMorales
12-04-18, 00:44
I would concur. In Puerto Galera / Sabang Beach, many of the girls are fluent in Korean. A lot of the shop owners are also fluent in Korean. Many of the Korean guys who have businesses in the Philippines or who are regular visitors are totally fluent in Tagalog.Please translate.
Hello. My name is Joy, where you from?
I like Korea man.
I go to your hotel room. How much you ay?
I need money, buy rice.
I need money, buy medicine.
I need money, buffalo sick, must bury mother.
I really enjoyed Suki Kim's The Interpreter but Kyung-sook Shin's Please Look After Mom was better.
You buy me Samsung phone?
I'm shorting the Korean won and going long on the Japanese yen.
I would concur. In Puerto Galera / Sabang Beach, many of the girls are fluent in Korean. A lot of the shop owners are also fluent in Korean. Many of the Korean guys who have businesses in the Philippines or who are regular visitors are totally fluent in Tagalog.Many Koreans and Japanese pick up Tagalog / Thai / Indonesian very quickly because they have to use it to get anything. If you or I get lazy and fall back on English, someone will understand some of what we are saying. If someone tries Korean etc the vast majority of people will not understand a word.
Dashing Don
12-04-18, 23:03
Please translate.
Hello. My name is Joy, where you from?
I like Korea man.
I go to your hotel room. How much you ay?
I need money, buy rice.
I need money, buy medicine.
I need money, buffalo sick, must bury mother.
I really enjoyed Suki Kim's The Interpreter but Kyung-sook Shin's Please Look After Mom was better.
You buy me Samsung phone?
I'm shorting the Korean won and going long on the Japanese yen.LOL. Funny one Pedro.
I would expect that Koreans that live and work in the Phils would learn the Tagalog but are they the ones that are crowding out the Caucasian monger as he desperately begs for the favors of top quality bar girl? The source of so much angst here. Somehow I doubt it. Probably the Koreans have their admirers but I suspect that they attract the most mercenary of bar girl.
And being able to put together a few phrases in 'bar Korean' might not be enough to communicate back and forth online. I've communicated with tons of Filipinos online and the topic of Koreans has never come up.
Chocha Monger
12-06-18, 15:50
LOL. Funny one Pedro.
I would expect that Koreans that live and work in the Phils would learn the Tagalog but are they the ones that are crowding out the Caucasian monger as he desperately begs for the favors of top quality bar girl? The source of so much angst here. Somehow I doubt it. Probably the Koreans have their admirers but I suspect that they attract the most mercenary of bar girl.
And being able to put together a few phrases in 'bar Korean' might not be enough to communicate back and forth online. I've communicated with tons of Filipinos online and the topic of Koreans has never come up.Perhaps, it is a difference of expectations. The Caucasian monger expects the top hookers in the bar to fawn over him and act like a loving girlfriend. The Korean sexy man expects her to sit there looking pretty, drink lady-drinks, and take a vicious drilling back in his hotel room. He then cuts her loose for the rest of the night. While the Caucasian monger expects post-coital cuddling all night and morning sex with a BBBJCIM wake-up call. Pinay hookers enter the trade due to laziness and an appetite for easy money, it is no surprise they prefer the monger who is less work and more money.
Engine Driver
12-06-18, 22:42
Perhaps, it is a difference of expectations. The Caucasian monger expects the top hookers in the bar to fawn over him and act like a loving girlfriend. The Korean sexy man expects her to sit there looking pretty, drink lady-drinks, and take a vicious drilling back in his hotel room. He then cuts her loose for the rest of the night. While the Caucasian monger expects post-coital cuddling all night and morning sex with a BBBJCIM wake-up call. Pinay hookers enter the trade due to laziness and an appetite for easy money, it is no surprise they prefer the monger who is less work and more money.CM, you nailed it. The Koreans just want the girls there for their amusement. Many girls have said the Koreans have threatened to not pay them unless they smoke with them, down those sojus in rapid succession and gamble (with the Korean's money). The viscous drilling may or may not occur as poor Mr Korean is often too drunk to get it up.
We think it's easy money, but heavy drinking on a daily basis and getting to bed at 6. 00 am each night would not be easy. Most girls get burned out after a few months.
Pinays entered the business because of starvation and lack of jobs. Most enter to feed their family and or to pay for medical bills. Period.
Most are out of the business in less than 6 months because they can't stand the business. A small amount will have found a boyfriend / husband / sponsor.
Some will stay long term because of the money and they have no other job skills. But most will be gone. This is the reason for a high turnover and the need for mommasan.
A quick TR. I've been here 5 days or so and there is decent AC level talent meaning plenty of cute 6's, a few 7's scattered about and that's as high as it goes for my opinion. Drink and bar fine prices are the same as they were last August w a few higher BF cost at Club XS, 3,600 and Atlantis at 3,500. Drink prices on Fields are around 125 p and Perimeter around 80 p w 240 p LDs.
As stated the talent is steady and diamonds in the rough can be found easily. The weather for the most part has been on the cool side except today was full on hot sun.
I am amazed at the number of negative posts in this forum. Angeles is better than ever. The tourists have returned, the go go bars are busy and High Society is packed every night. New hotels are being built and there are several apartment buildings going up. The city has a buzz to it. There is no better place to have fun.
I have travelled to many places and in almost every place I have met some old timer who said "You should have been here ten years ago". I hear this said so often that I reached the conclusion that it tells you more about the person saying it than it does about the place being talked about!
I have travelled to many places and in almost every place I have met some old timer who said "You should have been here ten years ago". I hear this said so often that I reached the conclusion that it tells you more about the person saying it than it does about the place being talked about!How do you know if you were not there yourself ten years ago?
Eszpresszo
12-07-18, 20:59
How do you know if you were not there yourself ten years ago?The OP had a great time. Isn't that enough? Why do you need to defend the naysayers when he made a strong point?
The negative comments about ANY destination discussed here, whether it be Thailand, the Philippines or Brazil, hit me as "groupspeak", often coming from people who haven't hit these places in years, if ever. If you can't enjoy it, then just badmouth it to the people who can. The comments deriding AC (which I admit I've never been to) are interchangeable with the negative comments on any other threads, whether they be concern Pattaya or Rio (or even Batam).
Let me ask you something. If these places were as bad as all the negative comments suggest, why would people still keep going there?
It really doesn't matter how or what it was years ago unless you want to live in the past. It only matters what is going on today.
Today in AC I am getting more action than I can handle.
Btw, the only thing you are going to get hanging around or talking to old timers is OLD!
Engine Driver
12-07-18, 23:31
It really doesn't matter how or what it was years ago unless you want to live in the past. It only matters what is going on today.
Today in AC I am getting more action than I can handle.I would agree. I'm getting more action now than I ever did before. This last trip was too easy. I had 14 girls in 13 days and on my last day, I was so exhausted I couldn't bear to look at another pussy. In AC, on the first day, after checking in, it took me 20 minutes to find a bird and get her into my room. Trike to Candy Bar, 5 minutes for a bottle of water, 2 minutes to point to a girl, 1 minute to pay the bar fine, 5 minutes for the girl to get changed, and 3 minutes by trike back to the hotel.
The reason why things have changed is the expansion of the global economy. Every prick on earth is now richer than ever before. Unemployment in the Philippines is now 2% officially and 0% in Thailand. Bar wenches have a lot more options now, besides laying on their backs. The growing middle class has meant mongers from Korea, China and India are invading countries looking for pussy. The old white cunts in their flip flops, wife beaters and fading tattoos can reminisce all they want. This is the new world order. So everyone better adapt.
PedroMorales
12-08-18, 00:44
I would agree. I'm getting more action now than I ever did before. This last trip was too easy. I had 14 girls in 13 days and on my last day, I was so exhausted I couldn't bear to look at another pussy. In AC, on the first day, after checking in, it took me 20 minutes to find a bird and get her into my room. Trike to Candy Bar, 5 minutes for a bottle of water, 2 minutes to point to a girl, 1 minute to pay the bar fine, 5 minutes for the girl to get changed, and 3 minutes by trike back to the hotel.
The reason why things have changed is the expansion of the global economy. Every prick on earth is now richer than ever before. Unemployment in the Philippines is now 2% officially and 0% in Thailand. Bar wenches have a lot more options now, besides laying on their backs. The growing middle class has meant mongers from Korea, China and India are invading countries looking for pussy. The old white cunts in their flip flops, wife beaters and fading tattoos can reminisce all they want. This is the new world order. So everyone better adapt.I say that as you point and shoot, or just order Chinese restaurant style from the menu. I bet you didn't spend too much on roses for the lovelies. Your economics 101 is good but there remains a huge excess supply of farmers' daughters. Also Pampanga is a tourist trap. It's like buying a Coca Cola by the Eiffel Tower. Oh, wait.
In AC, on the first day, after checking in, it took me 20 minutes to find a bird and get her into my room. Trike to Candy Bar, 5 minutes for a bottle of water, 2 minutes to point to a girl, 1 minute to pay the bar fine, 5 minutes for the girl to get changed, and 3 minutes by trike back to the hotel..Post script should say, 1 min shower (actually just washing pussy to get rid of the smell), 2 minutes unenthusiastic BJ, 3 minutes of looking at the ceiling boring sex, 1 minute of peeing, 2 minutes of dressing, 1 minute to get out of the door. 10 minutes of your life wasted and barfine money too.
Engine Driver
12-08-18, 02:33
I say that as you point and shoot, or just order Chinese restaurant style from the menu. I bet you didn't spend too much on roses for the lovelies. Your economics 101 is good but there remains a huge excess supply of farmers' daughters. Also Pampanga is a tourist trap. It's like buying a Coca Cola by the Eiffel Tower. Oh, wait.Well, I don't always just point and shoot. I have been known to wine and dine the odd slapper, but it's kinda wasted in AC. The end result is the same whether you wine and dine or just point and shoot. The girls keep coming back for more. Same with tipping. I didn't tip anyone more than 300 PHP for overnight stays and ST chicks from Wechat just got 1500 with no prior discussion and no tip. Once again, it didn't matter. A heap of girls still keep texting me asking when I'm coming back to AC.
A famous hooker in Melbourne, Cristal Hot Babe (http://www.cristaldownunder.com/Cristal_Hot_Babe/Verification.html) whom I've seen, always advises punters to save the romancing shit for your real GF or wife back home. Just treat a prostitute like a prostitute as that's what they expect.
Eszpresszo
12-08-18, 03:08
The reason why things have changed is the expansion of the global economy. Every prick on earth is now richer than ever before. No, not really. Some people are just less poor and international travel is cheaper than ever. Some other people are poorer than ever, and some are about to get poor. But lazy mongers aren't looking for those opportunities. Remember that AC and Subic Bay are products of the Cold War and the American bases that created the demand for the vices. The Cold War is over. That they remain there is actually an anomaly, if you think about it.
Consider this: In the 80's, the Eastern Bloc was considered off limits, a place where the women were old and ugly (as portrayed in Western media). In the 90's it opened up and revealed to the world, the most beautiful white women on the planet. And they flooded Western Europe, selling their bodies for less than the native populace would. Even now, these girls make up the bulk of the WG workforce from Rome to Hamburg. Who saw that coming? Not me. I never imagined my cousin would adopt an orphan from Russia or I would marry a lovely Hungarian and start a family with her.
In the 90's, Colombia was assumed to be a dangerous place where only suicidal people would go. Now, its a serious mongering destination known for the beauty of its women. Who saw that coming?
Somewhere down the road, North Korea will implode, and those South Korean mongers that seem to get some much spite here will be up there trading packets of noodles and cigarettes for sex. That is, until the Westerners show up and ruin it for them by paying them in hard currency.
Look what happened this week: The US finally became a net exporter of oil. Qatar left OPEC, which is collapsing along with oil prices. The Persian Gulf, formerly rich on oil will someday find itself broke and no longer able to import everything they need (and they do import everything and the wealthier Gulf States import the labor that actually does all the work). The sand won't grow food, and women will go to odd measures to feed themselves. Look what happened to Venezuela, formerly rich on oil. I was in Bogota on Labor Day weekend, and immediately engaged girls from Caracas. The same could happen in the Mideast. Be ready for it. Sure, Islam is strong there, but Islam doesn't fill your belly or pay your light bill.
The PRC, having made great progress, is about to shoot itself in the foot as it turns back towards the authoritarian communism that once defined it. Comparisons are already being made to the last days of the Soviet Union, which overstepped its economic capabilities just as China is doing now, trying to extend its economic and military clout in Asia. This won't work out well.
The world is changing, yes and we need to get used to it and embrace the opportunities it will offer. I remember the Iran Hostage Crisis, and I am looking forward to punting with some ladies in the Former Islamic Republic of Iran (if I live long enough).
Engine Driver
12-08-18, 03:09
Post script should say, 1 min shower (actually just washing pussy to get rid of the smell), 2 minutes unenthusiastic BJ, 3 minutes of looking at the ceiling boring sex, 1 minute of peeing, 2 minutes of dressing, 1 minute to get out of the door. 10 minutes of your life wasted and barfine money too.Nice one Sammon. How true. You should an extra minute to that. 30 seconds for sticking on a fresh panty liner to the first set of panties. 30 seconds for rifling through the minibar and asking if they can have the Kit Kat.
Dashing Don
12-08-18, 06:27
I am amazed at the number of negative posts in this forum. Angeles is better than ever. The tourists have returned, the go go bars are busy and High Society is packed every night. New hotels are being built and there are several apartment buildings going up. The city has a buzz to it. There is no better place to have fun.
I have travelled to many places and in almost every place I have met some old timer who said "You should have been here ten years ago". I hear this said so often that I reached the conclusion that it tells you more about the person saying it than it does about the place being talked about!Got to agree with you Rocinha. Unfortunately upbeat posts don't keep the pot boiling here LOL.
BTW, your name? I took a favela tour in Rio many years ago to Rocinha. Ate dinner with Great Train Robber Ronald Biggs and hang glided too. Some great trips to Rio, but the inhabitants of Rocinha didn't strike me as having the disposable income to vacation in Angeles so I'll guess you aren't a native of Rocinha.
The OP had a great time. Isn't that enough? Why do you need to defend the naysayers when he made a strong point?
The negative comments about ANY destination discussed here, whether it be Thailand, the Philippines or Brazil, hit me as "groupspeak", often coming from people who haven't hit these places in years, if ever. If you can't enjoy it, then just badmouth it to the people who can. The comments deriding AC (which I admit I've never been to) are interchangeable with the negative comments on any other threads, whether they be concern Pattaya or Rio (or even Batam).
Let me ask you something. If these places were as bad as all the negative comments suggest, why would people still keep going there?Wow, relax mate. I was just a little bit irritated because the OP was not in AC ten years ago but nevertheless he's complaining about guys who are talking about the good old times. If you were not there yourself you simply don't know what they are talking about.
And I really doubt that this "groupspeak is often coming from people who haven't hit these places in years, if ever" as you say. Personally I have been to SE Asia countless times, also recently. This year two times Pattaya and one time AC for example.
Times have changed and in the good old days it was better, period. But nevertheless it's still worth going there. If you adapt to the changes you can still have a reasonably good time. And that's one of the reasons that people are still going there. Another reason is that a lot of people are new or relatively new to the scene and therefore cannot compare it to the old times.
Wicked Roger
12-08-18, 09:56
Post script should say, 1 min shower (actually just washing pussy to get rid of the smell), 2 minutes unenthusiastic BJ, 3 minutes of looking at the ceiling boring sex, 1 minute of peeing, 2 minutes of dressing, 1 minute to get out of the door. 10 minutes of your life wasted and barfine money too.A lovely description of why I don't party with bar girls any more unless my regulars and their friends go to the bar to get one for a specific purpose. Mate's wife did this on his birthday, we AC and she went off found 3 bar girls for a lovely sex party to celebrate. She controlled the pick and the girls knew not to do what you mentioned.
But I was caught like that before and now am older and wiser (I think) I have regulars who bring their friends and life much better.
But you can with your cash what you want but some of us prefer to make it go further (more bang for your buck LOL).
PedroMorales
12-08-18, 11:02
Well, I don't always just point and shoot. I have been known to wine and dine the odd slapper, but it's kinda wasted in AC. The end result is the same whether you wine and dine or just point and shoot. The girls keep coming back for more. Same with tipping. I didn't tip anyone more than 300 PHP for overnight stays and ST chicks from Wechat just got 1500 with no prior discussion and no tip. Once again, it didn't matter. A heap of girls still keep texting me asking when I'm coming back to AC.
A famous hooker in Melbourne, Cristal Hot Babe (http://www.cristaldownunder.com/Cristal_Hot_Babe/Verification.html) whom I've seen, always advises punters to save the romancing shit for your real GF or wife back home. Just treat a prostitute like a prostitute as that's what they expect.Cristal Meth seems to have her shtt together. I always enjoyed walking past Russian / Italian restaurants and seeing some sad soul entertain his "date" who woul; the be happier on the side of the road eating pad thai with cockroaches as a side dish. Indeed my own best date in Thailand was on the side of the road. Cristal Meth sure doesn't go for the soft sell in her website.
I have popped up on Pinay Love again and might have to leave it as I am again swarmed with messages.
It all depends what people are looking for and Angeles is no different from other tourist traps in that respect. I like it cheap and cheerful, just like the women themselves. Losers want the plastic and the cheap lipstick on their Little Miss Pretties.
The best times of any place is when you first go there, and like it. On subsequent, return visits you get jaded: its like a drug you need more to get off, til eventually you make posts about the place gone downhill, which it has -- for you. But, for a new person, his initial reaction is like yours was.
.................The reason why things have changed is the expansion of the global economy. Every prick on earth is now richer than ever before. ................................Actually not quite true. Asians are now richer than before. Westerners are poorer than in the past. Soon Asians will be heading over to the West for cheap pussy. Wait, it has already started, have you been to Germany recently?
Eszpresszo
12-08-18, 16:09
Times have changed and in the good old days it was better, period. The first time is always the best time. If you try to and relive it, you will be disappointed. It might have been better for you, but not necessarily for everyone else. Its appears that it is purely a matter of personal experience.
CzarNicholas
12-08-18, 18:28
Actually not quite true. Asians are now richer than before. Westerners are poorer than in the past. Soon Asians will be heading over to the West for cheap pussy. Wait, it has already started, have you been to Germany recently?Many mongers I met in FKK are from China.
The one child policy created a shortage of females, also xi is cracking down hard on prostitution.
And 99% of wgs in Germany are from romania, I don't think most would consider them white or from the west.
I'm pretty sure the west has a higher ppp than asia.
You are using very misleading terms like richer poorer.
What is the average ppp for an asian in asia?
What is the avg ppp for a westerner?
SouthEaster
12-08-18, 21:01
"It might have been better for you, but not necessarily for everyone else. Its appears that it is purely a matter of personal experience. " Probably untrue for the majority of people. I can guarantee that even some of the one week millionaires would have enjoyed Angeles more in 1988 than now. Those who must have their jacuzzies and 100 plus dollar rooms and cars and drivers (FFS!) would most likely be the only ones to disagree. If you could put up with the old shithole that it was instead of the new shithole that it is then the rest was pussy paradise, full stop. Everything was cheap as chips, nearly every girl wanted to be barfined, there was no princess attitude, no Asians, no Jolibee bodies and no fucking ladies drinks. Hands up everyone who prefers the situation now?
SE.
And 99% of wgs in Germany are from romania, I don't think most would consider them white or from the west.And you too do not have the facts straight. Romanians are indeed Eastern Europeans, but they are also a diverse people who come in different shades of color, including milk white. As example, please see my recent post in the FKK Samya thread. There are many, many, many white Romanians. I know it for a fact as I have "fucked with them" all over Europe, but mostly in Germany.
DzikaBomba
12-09-18, 00:13
The first time is always the best time. If you try to and relive it, you will be disappointed. It might have been better for you, but not necessarily for everyone else. Its appears that it is purely a matter of personal experience.I don't agree. The second time is Always the best! First time You are new, you are making mistakes and you learn from it.
The second time you don't need to make the mistakes again (or less) and can concentrate on doing it right like you learned it from your first time with mistakes.
You now what to do, were to go, what to pay and so on.
Engine Driver
12-09-18, 00:36
You are using very misleading terms like richer poorer.
What is the average ppp for an asian in asia?
What is the avg ppp for a westerner?FFS, this is not an economics thesis. I was just saying previously that the world's population is generally wealthier now than it was 30 years ago. You did not get mongers from India, China and Korea searching for pussy in Germany, Thailand, Philippines etc back then as they were too poor to travel. They were happy to get two meals of rice a day. Rapid development of third world countries has meant that the middle class has burgeoned, and their expectations have increased. They are demanding foreign pussy and now have the ability to displace western mongers.
This is all going to Obama's, Macron's and Merkel's plans to weaken the west and redistribute wealth to developing nations. Us pussy hunters are collateral damage.
Member #4591
12-09-18, 04:03
"It might have been better for you, but not necessarily for everyone else. Its appears that it is purely a matter of personal experience. " Probably untrue for the majority of people. I can guarantee that even some of the one week millionaires would have enjoyed Angeles more in 1988 than now. Those who must have their jacuzzies and 100 plus dollar rooms and cars and drivers (FFS!) would most likely be the only ones to disagree. If you could put up with the old shithole that it was instead of the new shithole that it is then the rest was pussy paradise, full stop. Everything was cheap as chips, nearly every girl wanted to be barfined, there was no princess attitude, no Asians, no Jolibee bodies and no fucking ladies drinks. Hands up everyone who prefers the situation now?
SE.
My report from year 2048.
I remember the good old days back in 2018 when gogo girls only used to cost 5000 Pesos for the night. Now a night with a top Pinay girl is over 50,000 Pesos. Ridiculous that a bar thinks they can charge 2,500 Pesos for a lady drink. Not only that the exchange rate of my home country dollar is now only 50% of what it was back in the good old days of 2018.
Back in the good old days of 2018 it was easy to find a 2 titted girl. Now they all have 3 tits. I hate post surgery girls! At least back in 2018 I could tell the difference between a girl and a ladyboy. Now technology is so advanced I can't tell the difference any longer even after living here for over 30 years! Also sad that so many beautiful girls are getting a workable penis attached too. I'm not sure if I will be going with any more real girls as I simply can't afford them any longer. I may need to get a street walker for 10,000 Pesos now instead. Better yet, I may switch to those virtual reality girls. They all provide BBBJ + CIM and all are beautiful since I created them. I also don't have to feed them at 7-11 before and after my session. On the bright side my High Society girlfriend from 2018 is now 49 but still looks super cute. Still the natural Pinay look.
Was great when I was still in my 40's and the girls said I looked 30 tops. Now they tell me I look 55 so I feel old. Sure wish Manila was still around. Very sad since it sank into the ocean. Very cool that there are now over 30 casinos in Angels. Love playing Angeles Hold'em but I swear I'm being scammed by The House. Really wish the good old days of 2018 were back. That would be wonderful!
Sorry for the quick review. Bring back 2018 please! I miss it so much!Love it! And it can be tailored for any mongering destination. The good old days LOL. I remember when milk was 1 peso, a beer was 2 Pesos, and a BJ was 5 pesos. Dam I wish it was stil the same. Not!!! Get your heads out of the past and your asses and live your lives in the present.
Love it! And it can be tailored for any mongering destination. The good old days LOL. I remember when milk was 1 peso, a beer was 2 Pesos, and a BJ was 5 pesos. Dam I wish it was stil the same.Yes sir. And you made 20 pesos a day! The good old days? My good old days are being made now.
Love it! And it can be tailored for any mongering destination. The good old days LOL. I remember when milk was 1 peso, a beer was 2 Pesos, and a BJ was 5 pesos. Dam I wish it was stil the same.Then: it was all fresh and exciting, I was a newly minted peso / baht / rupiah zillionaire, and I had 20 yr old stamina to make the most of it. Was it great fun years ago? Sure.
Now: $300 flights to pretty much anywhere, I know the ropes and can avoid the usual rip offs, I'm no longer a bull at a gate and can make the most of situations. Is it great decades later? Damn right it is.
Engine Driver
12-09-18, 04:36
Yes sir. And you made 20 pesos a day! The good old days? My good old days are being made now.In the good old days 20 years ago, some of us had other responsibilities like a wife, mortgage, climbing the greasy corporate pole etc meaning we couldn't go on unencumbered mongering trips. Life's much better now.
CzarNicholas
12-09-18, 05:20
And you too do not have the facts straight. Romanians are indeed Eastern Europeans, but they are also a diverse people who come in different shades of color, including milk white. As example, please see my recent post in the FKK Samya thread. There are many, many, many white Romanians. I know it for a fact as I have "fucked with them" all over Europe, but mostly in Germany.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9719058/European-Roma-descended-from-Indian-untouchables-genetic-study-shows.html
Romies are not white. A 2 minute conversation with any of them will indicate to most they are from some other planet, by just about any reasonable measure.
I don't consider eastern europe the west either.
I said "most" don't consider them white!! You, like they, are true outliers!
This is all going to Obama's, Macron's and Merkel's plans to weaken the west and redistribute wealth to developing nations.Wow, I didn't see this one coming. What a bunch of crap. Is this some kind of conspiracy theory? Why on earth would they want to weaken the west?
Wow, I didn't see this one coming. What a bunch of crap. Is this some kind of conspiracy theory? Why on earth would they want to weaken the west?Yeah, reacted the same way but did not want to post anything. This is supposed to be a mongering site after all. God knows there are so many sites dedicated to politics.
Engine Driver
12-09-18, 11:20
Wow, I didn't see this one coming. What a bunch of crap. Is this some kind of conspiracy theory? Why on earth would they want to weaken the west?I'm sorry, I mistook you for a well educated, well-read gentleman. LOL. I know I'm off topic, but just indulge me for a second.
Weakening the West is what all all centre-left governments do. Socialist policies and the advancement of western civilisation are not always compatible. The same is happening in my country.
I'm sorry, I mistook you for a well educated, well-read gentleman. LOL. I know I'm off topic, but just indulge me for a second.
Weakening the West is what all all centre-left governments do. Socialist policies and the advancement of western civilisation are not always compatible. The same is happening in my country.Man you have an overdose of Fox News cool aid. Maybe go live in a civilised country and see the benefits for all. It was the Bush War and the Bush deregulation and tax cuts that killed the world economy and now the Trump Tax cuts and Trump Trade war and deregulation are setting the world up for financial meltdown volume 2.
I'm sorry, I mistook you for a well educated, well-read gentleman. Actually I am a well educated and well-read gentleman, if I may say so myself. That's why I think it's crap LOL.
Shall we move the topic back to AC?
Has the America Hotel opened it's old wing? Last time I was there, the pool (in the old wing) was open, but the rooms were mostly gutted. Including the haunted room.
I found a bar selling craft beer down past the jeepney stop. Tiny place, but good beer. Anyone been there? I don't remember the name.
The big expansion of Angel Bakery was having some obvious growing pains in August. Did they iron out the wrinkles? It was a clusterfuck last time I was there.
If you could put up with the old shithole that it was instead of the new shithole that it is then the rest was pussy paradise, full stop. Everything was cheap as chips, nearly every girl wanted to be barfined, there was no princess attitudeFor the 52 week-a-year shlub and anyone who managed to avoid financial success their entire lives, then any cheap place is a place they can put up with. Yes, it's sad for you that filippinas have acquired princess attitude while you're still the same, but least wherever there's girls poorer than you, you won't have to sleep alone.
So done a few trips over the past 7 years. Had my fun in Sing, Viet- HCM & a few other places, Phil- Manila, Sabang, Cebu, Thai- Bang, Patts, Phuket, Indo. Bali,& Malaysia. KL & Penang. Never been to Angeles.
Like most, looking for value for money and a solid GFE. Noticed prices are on the increase everywhere (for what ever reason. Lets not get into economics).
Question: Is Philippines (ala Angeles, Cebu) STILL the best value for money destination eg guaranteed GFE? This is a what you pay vs what you are guaranteed of getting type question.
My best experiences have been in KL but there prices are considerably higher. Researched Cambodia is cheaper but service not as good as Filipinas?
Or. Like anywhere in the world really depends on chemistry with girl?
Appreciate even brief responses.
FuriousGeorge
12-09-18, 23:41
Heading back to Makati and AC in a week for a 2 week trip. 3rd trip in 18 months. City Garden hotel for 2 days in Makati, and then Central Park tower in AC for 10 days. Not staying at Score Birds this time. The noise from HiSo really can be annoying and it's time for a change of scenery. Will definitely check out the Saturday pool party though. Last time I hooked up with one of the pool girls who I thought was hotter than the girls on stage.
Plenty of sexin and relaxing on the agenda. I'm curious to see what the city is like over Christmas. Anyone have any experience there during this time?
As I stated I a previous post I have a stalker who tried to contact work and friends back home and badmouth me. Jealous and says I 'lied' to her. Sent me screenshots of her attempts and says if I return that she will ruin my vacation. Slightly concerned about this. I might try to befriend the cops when I get there.
If anyone has some freelancers friends who want some daytime activity, feel free to send her my way. Would also be willing to grab a drink with any fellow who wants to. Although I don't know how you'll contact me since the system won't let me resubscribe since I live in the US.
Will report back, although not likely to be as detailed as my first report. That was a little ridiculous.
Blanquiceleste
12-10-18, 01:07
Or. Like anywhere in the world really depends on chemistry with girl?Briefest reply. Yes.
BrainDrain
12-10-18, 02:16
I found a bar selling craft beer down past the jeepney stop. Tiny place, but good beer. Anyone been there? I don't remember the name.Perhaps you mean Pinatubo Craft Beer which is in a backstreet closer to Friendship though. Have had many a good night in there if you like beers. No girl action.
BD.
Question: Is Philippines (ala Angeles, Cebu) STILL the best value for money destination eg guaranteed GFE? This is a what you pay vs what you are guaranteed of getting type question.Probably. HCM might be better, but it seems you have to have the contacts. Need to find a Viet Kieu or an experienced ex-pat friend.
Researched Cambodia is cheaper but service not as good as Filipinas?Generally, yes.
Like anywhere in the world really depends on chemistry with girl?Yes, of course.
Like most, looking for value for money and a solid GFE. Noticed prices are on the increase everywhere (for what ever reason. Lets not get into economics).
Question: Is Philippines (ala Angeles, Cebu) STILL the best value for money destination eg guaranteed GFE? This is a what you pay vs what you are guaranteed of getting type question.If your looking for up front value for money, there are several countries where sub $15 girls are still plentiful. However, you need to factor in language and security issues. From Aus, your cost and time to get to these can also quickly outweigh any per shot savings.
Brave enough to try Madagascar, Venezuela etc. ? 😁.
There are certainly cheaper placed in PI than Cebu and provincial girls can offer 1st class GFE. My rates are on a sliding scale. For LT I pay 3 k in MNL / Cebu, 2 k in regional centres like Subic or Davao and 1 k in small towns like Dumaguette. Higher prices do not guarantee better GFE. If anything it's the reverse.
I did look at post PI options but when I look at the whole package, something keeps drawing me back. The only thing I change is I now go to numerous places rather than return to the same place trip after trip.
Enjoy, G.
SouthEaster
12-10-18, 16:15
"Yes, it's sad for you that Filipinas have acquired princess attitude". Indeed. I would argue that it's sad for everyone unless you have run into people who actually like this sort of thing. I never have.
SE.
Engine Driver
12-10-18, 23:42
STILL the best value for money destination eg guaranteed GFE? This is a what you pay vs what you are guaranteed of getting type question.
You are not guaranteed of GFE anywhere, but your probability of getting GFE is much higher in AC than in most other mongering zones world wide. There are hundreds of sweet, innocent farm girls in AC who are yet to be corrupted by Korean money. You should seek those out.
There are lots of good freelancers in AC who can be found on WeChat and Tinder. These girls don't have a schedule, so may be more likely to give their time to you.
If it's going to be your first trip, it would be better to get your chicks from the smaller bars as the girls may have less attitude. Leave the big bars like Atlantis, Club Ra, Club XS and Doll House to those who are not seeking a GFE. As DG pointed out, don't be last in the queue. Get there when the bar opens and don't hesitate to put your payment down as soon as you enter, otherwise Messrs Kim, Park and Lee will beat you to it.
Koreans might have perfected a good standard operating procedure.
Get there first and put money down for the BF.
Leave the girl in the bar for a while until needed and she still makes drink money.
Come back and take her out when you need her.
Shall we move the topic back to AC?
Has the America Hotel opened it's old wing? Last time I was there, the pool (in the old wing) was open, but the rooms were mostly gutted. Including the haunted room.
I found a bar selling craft beer down past the jeepney stop. Tiny place, but good beer. Anyone been there? I don't remember the name.
The big expansion of Angel Bakery was having some obvious growing pains in August. Did they iron out the wrinkles? It was a clusterfuck last time I was there.I don't know if America Hotel has opened the new wing or not. Driving by the other night I was shocked to see that all the parking spots were full with cars. I assumed they had a lot of guests. Usually the spots are empty but a few (Chinese's?) tours buses.
I am curious if the Chinese resto there is any good or not?
Eszpresszo
12-11-18, 03:08
My best experiences have been in KL but there prices are considerably higher.
Active imagination at play, here.
Member #4591
12-11-18, 03:53
Heading back to Makati and AC in a week for a 2 week trip. 3rd trip in 18 months. City Garden hotel for 2 days in Makati, and then Central Park tower in AC for 10 days. Not staying at Score Birds this time. The noise from HiSo really can be annoying and it's time for a change of scenery. Will definitely check out the Saturday pool party though. Last time I hooked up with one of the pool girls who I thought was hotter than the girls on stage.
Plenty of sexin and relaxing on the agenda. I'm curious to see what the city is like over Christmas. Anyone have any experience there during this time?
As I stated I a previous post I have a stalker who tried to contact work and friends back home and badmouth me. Jealous and says I 'lied' to her. Sent me screenshots of her attempts and says if I return that she will ruin my vacation. Slightly concerned about this.
If anyone has some freelancers friends who want some daytime activity, feel free to send her my way. Would also be willing to grab a drink with any fellow who wants to. Although I don't know how you'll contact me since the system won't let me resubscribe since I live in the US.
Will report back, although not likely to be as detailed as my first report. That was a little ridiculous.Only 9 more posts to become a senior member or you could send the cash. It talks about that in the huge disclaimer about American credit cards.
Eszpresszo
12-11-18, 03:54
You are not guaranteed of GFE anywhere I disagree. You have a real girlfriend and you will have a real girlfriend experience. But, a prostitute will never give the same experience as a girlfriend. You can have great sex with a prostitute, but its not the same as sex with a intimate partner. Its not even the same as a girl you just picked up at a bar (but it comes close). I find the whole concept absurd given that its impossible for a prostitute to deliver the same experience (unless your girlfriend is a prostitute and I actually knew a guy who was involved with a street hooker here in the US). Guys who actually believe this idea haven't had a girlfriend. That said, sex with a prostitute is fine and has its advantages. You are not too worried how she feels, or what she thinks (at least she shouldn't be too concerned with it) and you aren't concerned with anything beyond the time you paid for. If she does her job right, she will do what she is paid to do. If she doesn't, you find one who doesn't. In any actual relationship, you will only get what she offers or gives, and that can be very little as time passes. The entire nature of the relationships is completely different. So, can stop this GFE nonsense, as well as this sophomoric nonsense of rating girls on a scale of 1 to 10? Enjoy punting for what it is. Limited expenses (only as much as you want to spend, no diamond rings, expensive dates, mortgages, children, expensive wardrobes and show collections), piece of mind (not worrying if she is pregnant or if she is mad), peace and quiet when its done (not listening to her annoying chatter and inevitable bitching at you), nor having to adjust your personal tastes or habits to please her. And that's what I want in life, right now.
RobanRoban
12-11-18, 06:51
Heading back to Makati and AC in a week for a 2 week trip. 3rd trip in 18 months. City Garden hotel for 2 days in Makati, and then Central Park tower in AC for 10 days.Arrive in Manila on sat 22 and headed to AC for 5 days. Starting in central park tower as well. Wouldn't mind hanging out with a fellow monger for a few and have some company while exploring the night life a bit. First time in Philippines. From US as well. Let me know.
PedroMorales
12-11-18, 12:15
You are not guaranteed of GFE anywhere, but your probability of getting GFE is much higher in AC than in most other mongering zones world wide. There are hundreds of sweet, innocent farm girls in AC who are yet to be corrupted by Korean money. You should seek those out..Yeah? Where are they? In some brothel where everyone is a virgin. Any sweet, innocent farm girl who wanders into AC will change after a few hundred dicks go into her 3 holes.
I disagree. I will enjoy my women as I see fit.
I disagree. You have a real girlfriend and you will have a real girlfriend experience. But, a prostitute will never give the same experience as a girlfriend. You can have great sex with a prostitute, but its not the same as sex with a intimate partner. Its not even the same as a girl you just picked up at a bar (but it comes close). I find the whole concept absurd given that its impossible for a prostitute to deliver the same experience (unless your girlfriend is a prostitute and I actually knew a guy who was involved with a street hooker here in the US). Guys who actually believe this idea haven't had a girlfriend. That said, sex with a prostitute is fine and has its advantages. You are not too worried how she feels, or what she thinks (at least she shouldn't be too concerned with it) and you aren't concerned with anything beyond the time you paid for. If she does her job right, she will do what she is paid to do. If she doesn't, you find one who doesn't. In any actual relationship, you will only get what she offers or gives, and that can be very little as time passes. The entire nature of the relationships is completely different. So, can stop this GFE nonsense, as well as this sophomoric nonsense of rating girls on a scale of 1 to 10? Enjoy punting for what it is. Limited expenses (only as much as you want to spend, no diamond rings, expensive dates, mortgages, children, expensive wardrobes and show collections), piece of mind (not worrying if she is pregnant or if she is mad), peace and quiet when its done (not listening to her annoying chatter and inevitable bitching at you), nor having to adjust your personal tastes or habits to please her. And that's what I want in life, right now.
Engine Driver
12-11-18, 22:51
Yeah? Where are they? In some brothel where everyone is a virgin. Any sweet, innocent farm girl who wanders into AC will change after a few hundred dicks go into her 3 holes.Me and DG seem to be doing okay. It's what you make of it. If you go to AC with a negative attitude, negativity is all you will find.
There are no brothels as such in the main red light district of AC. Prostitution is illegal. In the bars, you are merely paying to release the girl early from her work. Sex may or may not happen.
The vast majority of girls won't take it up the ass.
Engine Driver
12-11-18, 23:27
You have a real girlfriend and you will have a real girlfriend experience. But, a prostitute will never give the same experience as a girlfriend. I find the whole concept absurd given that its impossible for a prostitute to deliver the same experience We all know that a prostitute is not a girlfriend. No one is that stupid. Unfortunately, you are taking the literal meaning of girl friend experience. The term GFE was coined to judge how well the prostitute can forget that it is a purely business transaction. During the paid session, can she momentarily forget about the money and act like she is your girlfriend? That is, can she act like a sweet, caring, loving girl for the short duration without behaving like a mercenary?
In my experience, Pinays consistently deliver a GFE, more so than other Asian nationalities. It might be because they are Christian and more westernised. The further away from Manila you go, the girls will provide a more GFE experience as they are not rushed for time and haven't become so corrupted by money.
PedroMorales
12-11-18, 23:28
I disagree. You have a real girlfriend and you will have a real girlfriend experience. But, a prostitute will never give the same experience as a girlfriend. You can have great sex with a prostitute, but its not the same as sex with a intimate partner. Its not even the same as a girl you just picked up at a bar (but it comes close). I find the whole concept absurd given that its impossible for a prostitute to deliver the same experience (unless your girlfriend is a prostitute and I actually knew a guy who was involved with a street hooker here in the US). Guys who actually believe this idea haven't had a girlfriend. That said, sex with a prostitute is fine and has its advantages. You are not too worried how she feels, or what she thinks (at least she shouldn't be too concerned with it) and you aren't concerned with anything beyond the time you paid for. If she does her job right, she will do what she is paid to do. If she doesn't, you find one who doesn't. In any actual relationship, you will only get what she offers or gives, and that can be very little as time passes. The entire nature of the relationships is completely different. So, can stop this GFE nonsense, as well as this sophomoric nonsense of rating girls on a scale of 1 to 10? Enjoy punting for what it is. Limited expenses (only as much as you want to spend, no diamond rings, expensive dates, mortgages, children, expensive wardrobes and show collections), piece of mind (not worrying if she is pregnant or if she is mad), peace and quiet when its done (not listening to her annoying chatter and inevitable bitching at you), nor having to adjust your personal tastes or habits to please her. And that's what I want in life, right now.There are guys who buy the diamond rings and the condo; I have bonked them. There is an investment banker on trial in London right now for killing a high class escort (who moonlighted as a computer programmer or vice versa). Actually some cute titled lady who was hooking died recently, also from too much coke / smack. I also agree with you about "this sophomoric nonsense of rating girls on a scale of 1 to 10". I got that out of my system with drop dead gorgeous women decades ago. Some of my best bonks have been butt ugly.
Again, Angeles is a tourist destination where people go to make sandcastles and wet pussy dreams. Your main thrust is right. Don't eulogise over a sperm bucket. Don't over think it or make it out to be something it is not. In fact, your approach is the sanest. Why get caught up in their drams if you are not going to rescue them. And if you are going to rescue them, who will rescue you?
PedroMorales
12-12-18, 00:08
The term GFE was coined to judge how well the prostitute can forget that it is a purely business transaction. During the paid session, can she momentarily forget about the money and act like she is your girlfriend? That is, can she act like a sweet, caring, loving girl for the short duration without behaving like a mercenary?.I hate to disabuse you but prostitutes are mercenaries. They trade sex for money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+prostitute&oq=define%3 A+prostitute&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i58.6627 j1 j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
Mercenary: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&ei=LEIQXPHJM4Sq1fAPnu-r8A0&q=define%3A+mercenary&oq=define%3 A+mercenary&gs_l=psy-ab. 3. 0 l3 j0 i22 i30 l7. 36557.38384. 38750.0. 0. 0. 75.594. 9. 0. 1. gws-wiz. 0 i10. Zse6 AYQALAI.
Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
Some mercenaries make good wedge. So do some prostitutes. As with any mercenary trade, some apply themselves better. The security guards at Jolibee and the hotels would not be much good against US Marines but they are not supposed to go up against the USMC, only to open doors, tip their hats and have an occasional shoot out. I know cases where Hopeless Harrys took the GFE at face value and got into all kinds of trouble over it. When you are with a prostitutes, you pay her to leave. No different from any other call of nature. You do your business, sleep safely alone or go on with your day without day dreaming about Pretty Woman.
VictorHugo99
12-12-18, 00:22
Dear bros,
I am looking forward to my upcoming trip to Manilla and the province of Negros (part work cum holiday. Pun intended).
The sole reason why I am bothering myself with PL and DIA, is so to have "impression" of having the company of a friend, not a mercenary, though there will ultimately be financial transaction.
I hope to build up a porté folio of "friends" that I can go back to in the not too distant future. For me a GFE is crucial to a satisfying trip to PI.
My 2 cents, Vic.
We all know that a prostitute is not a girlfriend. No one is that stupid. Unfortunately, you are taking the literal meaning of girl friend experience. The term GFE was coined to judge how well the prostitute can forget that it is a purely business transaction. During the paid session, can she momentarily forget about the money and act like she is your girlfriend? That is, can she act like a sweet, caring, loving girl for the short duration without behaving like a mercenary?
In my experience, Pinays consistently deliver a GFE, more so than other Asian nationalities. It might be because they are Christian and more westernised. The further away from Manila you go, the girls will provide a more GFE experience as they are not rushed for time and haven't become so corrupted by money.
Most times the paid girl provides a better GFE than the real girlfriend. Quite evidenced by the paid being sought out and being well compensated.
If the real girlfriends had provide GFE then there wouldn't be a market for pnp GFE. Mongers would just be looking for the slutty and lusty experience only.
ED is right. Positively brings positivity. You get out what you put in.
I was shopping in Hypermart store the other day. They have some buy one get one free or buy 2-3 and get one free items. Items like a small rice cooker, hot water pot or 1-2 burner stove top along with others. Prices range from P399 to P499. Being an OCD shopper I picked up some of each. Then I passed them out as gifts to my favorite girls for Christmas.
I was shocked that most did not even have a small rice cooker or hot water pot. None had a stove top burner. The problem with gifting a burner is that they don't have the propane tank which cost 1200,1700 filled with propane.
Giving is receiving. I got 2 bjcim plus more.
Blanquiceleste
12-12-18, 01:29
I was shopping in Hypermart store the other day. They have some buy one get one free or buy 2-3 and get one free items. Items like a small rice cooker, hot water pot or 1-2 burner stove top along with others. Prices range from P399 to P499. Being an OCD shopper I picked up some of each. Then I passed them out as gifts to my favorite girls for Christmas.
I was shocked that most did not even have a small rice cooker or hot water pot. None had a stove top burner. The problem with gifting a burner is that they don't have the propane tank which cost 1200,1700 filled with propane.
Giving is receiving. I got 2 bjcim plus more.A lovely gesture DG. Amen.
The amount you spent may not be a very large sum to you, but it means the world for some of these girls. And I firmly believe you get it back in kind many times over. Merry Christmas.
A lovely gesture DG. Amen.
The amount you spent may not be a very large sum to you, but it means the world for some of these girls. And I firmly believe you get it back in kind many times over. Merry Christmas.Salamat sir. Merry Christmas to you and all here.
We all know that a prostitute is not a girlfriend. No one is that stupid.You've clearly never had a hooker as a girl friend. All I can say is don't knock it until you have tried it. 😁.
I totally recommend it if everyone knows what they are getting into.
I was shocked that most did not even have a small rice cooker or hot water pot. None had a stove top burner. The problem with gifting a burner is that they don't have the propane tank which cost 1200,1700 filled with propane.
Giving is receiving. I got 2 bjcim plus more.A brilliant idea!! One gangbang could equip her whole kitchen: cooker, gas, water cooler etc. 😁.
On a serious note, weĺl done. I'm sure you reaped the benefits as I've always said Karma is alive and well in Asia.
Merry Christmas, G.
JasonBen84
12-12-18, 07:32
Second trip to AC. Landed on Monday. Went bar hopping, only Salambo, Lollipop, Shooterz had more girls 5-7 ish, most of the rest didn't even have enough girls to do shifts in between. Brown sugar had more good looking girls, but on all these girls classify them as spotlight girls and very few is open for take out.
Managed to get a cute spinner from Brown Sugar who was Cherry girl until Nov as told. Indeed she was tight, shy but boy she was horny and GFE af.
Managed to get a girl from Apple bar Misha, has a kid but she was cute, can do BBBJ, cum in mouth, rimming.
Ventured Wechat and PinaLove, most are 6-7 ish but has children if that doesn't bother quite few good ones to take.
Hands down Cosplay and the bar next to it has the most beautiful girls of the lot 7-9 ish, they have issues going out with westerners as it won't give good impression to Koreans to take the girl. So yeah but unlucky there.
Funny incident, Korean wrongly took a girl and found out in the room that is lady boy, made a scene in the lobby, Korean was on the verge of crying to have the lady boy out of the hotel.
Will go to After dark today, there seems to be a weekly party with girls from other bars. Happy to join if anyone here for bar hopping, happy to chat and exchange intel PM me.
Most times the paid girl provides a better GFE than the real girlfriend. Quite evidenced by the paid being sought out and being well compensated.
If the real girlfriends had provide GFE then there wouldn't be a market for pnp GFE. Mongers would just be looking for the slutty and lusty experience only.
ED is right. Positively brings positivity. You get out what you put in.Some would argue a real GFE has nothing to do with sex but more with intimacy, feeling and emotion. What you call a GFE may be the type of sex your current or past GF could not give you. But who says your version of a GFE is what others is?
Those who are wise to mongering (and usually a little older) know that WG are paid to be good actors and even though we keep our feet firmly on the floor we drift away into the land of fantasy. That's what I pay for.
One thing I do know is people are people, whether WG or not. Agree treat them like a human being and good things usually happen. You keep thinking I am in bed with a scanky-ho and that's what you will get.
Its amazing that some posters think they have the right to judge others and their experiences without knowing anything about them or what happened.
To me it either reflects arrogance, naivety or issues with past relationships.
Wicked Roger
12-12-18, 18:15
You've clearly never had a hooker as a girl friend. All I can say is don't knock it until you have tried it. 😁.
I totally recommend it if everyone knows what they are getting into.Agree 100% but you need very liberal minded LOL.
I hate to disabuse you but prostitutes are mercenaries. They trade sex for money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+prostitute&oq=define%3 A+prostitute&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i58.6627 j1 j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
Mercenary: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&ei=LEIQXPHJM4Sq1fAPnu-r8A0&q=define%3A+mercenary&oq=define%3 A+mercenary&gs_l=psy-ab. 3. 0 l3 j0 i22 i30 l7. 36557.38384. 38750.0. 0. 0. 75.594. 9. 0. 1. gws-wiz. 0 i10. Zse6 AYQALAI.
Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
Some mercenaries make good wedge. So do some prostitutes. As with any mercenary trade, some apply themselves better. The security guards at Jolibee and the hotels would not be much good against US Marines but they are not supposed to go up against the USMC, only to open doors, tip their hats and have an occasional shoot out. I know cases where Hopeless Harrys took the GFE at face value and got into all kinds of trouble over it. When you are with a prostitutes, you pay her to leave. No different from any other call of nature. You do your business, sleep safely alone or go on with your day without day dreaming about Pretty Woman.PM, I am sure you have prostitutied your high morals and ethics from time to time. No different than all of us. We have sold our souls at times. You are just saying yours was less than others. Don't forget that is only you saying that.
You are no more a dog than the rest of us. Sometimes a bigger dog and sometimes less.
Most times the paid girl provides a better GFE than the real girlfriend.................That has not been my experience. With the girl friend it is more relaxed as there is no time constraint and the deed is usually in more familiar surroundings (her place or mine). The advantage of the provider is firstly, the continuous sampling of strange and secondly access when needed which is not always the case with a girlfriend.
Engine Driver
12-12-18, 23:39
I hate to disabuse you but prostitutes are mercenaries. They trade sex for money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+prostitute&oq=define%3 A+prostitute&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i58.6627 j1 j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
Mercenary: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&ei=LEIQXPHJM4Sq1fAPnu-r8A0&q=define%3A+mercenary&oq=define%3 A+mercenary&gs_l=psy-ab. 3. 0 l3 j0 i22 i30 l7. 36557.38384. 38750.0. 0. 0. 75.594. 9. 0. 1. gws-wiz. 0 i10. Zse6 AYQALAI.
Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
Some mercenaries make good wedge. So do some prostitutes. As with any mercenary trade, some apply themselves better. The security guards at Jolibee and the hotels would not be much good against US Marines but they are not supposed to go up against the USMC, only to open doors, tip their hats and have an occasional shoot out. I know cases where Hopeless Harrys took the GFE at face value and got into all kinds of trouble over it. When you are with a prostitutes, you pay her to leave. No different from any other call of nature. You do your business, sleep safely alone or go on with your day without day dreaming about Pretty Woman.You are needlessly focusing on semantics. Prostitution is job, just like truck driving, dispensing legal advice or teaching. Who are you to say whether it's ethical or not? People have to do whatever they can to support their families, particularly in the Philippines as there is no welfare safety net.
If you bothered to read my report properly, I said that the ability to provide GFE is dependent on her ability to momentarily forget that it is a financial transaction.
Geez, do we now have to provide English grammar lessons??
PedroMorales
12-13-18, 01:05
You are needlessly focusing on semantics. Prostitution is job, just like truck driving, dispensing legal advice or teaching. Who are you to say whether it's ethical or not? People have to do whatever they can to support their families, particularly in the Philippines as there is no welfare safety net. If you bothered to read my report properly, I said that the ability to provide GFE is dependent on her ability to momentarily forget that it is a financial transaction.Prostitution is not like teaching, though prostitutes can teach us much more than teachers ever can. Prostitutes have sex for money. It is a mercenary operation. Both sides must keep that wall, as must an employee and employer.
Go read a paper about all those carers ripping off the old ladies they are supposed to be looking after.
When I am in Pampanga, I often go to the mall and see the young couples going their with their light wallets. That is a GFE and you sure as hell won't get it from some single mother who prostitutes herself for peanuts.
A GFE is about equality. Even if you hire a dominatrix to beat you black and blue and stick big things into you, you are still in control as you are paying. If you become a paypig to a dominatrix, then you are off the deep end. As they say in The Godfather movies, keep it strictly business.
PM, I am sure you have prostituied your high morals and ethics from time to time. No different than all of us. We have sold our souls at times. You are just saying yours was less than others. Don't forget that is only you saying that. You are no more a dog than the rest of us. Sometimes a bigger dog and sometimes less.From time to time? A lot more than that. I remember I was banging this hooker in the early 1990's. Nice kid, even if she was a junkie. I also banged her two sisters but I digress. She said she sold a little of her soul every day and I believe her. I avoided quite a few bullets there. I reckon all three are dead now from over doses, HIV and / or pimps.
All in all, I have had a good run. Of course, we should be nice to all providers. But never ever forget it is strictly business.
I've just deleted my Pinaylove ID again as I am sick of women offering to perform monkey tricks for me.
Air China have a few cheap seats left on the window I was looking at but I think I'll pass for now. Holiday Pirates have cheap seats to Colombia but I guess I'll pass there too. I reckon it will be 9 months or so till I get back to Angeles to see all my Pedritos / as, or those of them that have not shuffled homewards or been Korean to death.
I reckon, for the GFE, the best that can be done in Pampanga is to hook up with a retired "sales assistant", stay in a condo, and improve one's pool game and hit the Happy Hour saloons in the late afternoon. It works out for a lot of guys, as does bringing them back Stateside or whatever. Not for me. I'll die in the saddle but not in Pampanga as that would get the neighbours talking.
Mr Enternational
12-13-18, 04:55
You are needlessly focusing on semantics. Prostitution is job, just like truck driving, dispensing legal advice or teaching.I would agree; maybe. To me it is a job just like truck driving etc. But it appears a lot of guys do not see it that way or at least do not treat it that way.
Nobody would get bent out of shape if I mentioned not asking the name of the bus driver every time I got on a bus. But if I say I do not ask the names of the hookers that I pick up then I am a bad guy.
When is the last time your plumber wrote to you telling you about how business was down, he was having problems with his truck, his ex-wife skipped town leaving him with the babies, his mother was in dire need of an operation, and you sent him money western union?
Mr Enternational
12-13-18, 06:12
I would agree; maybe. To me it is a job just like truck driving etc. But it appears a lot of guys do not see it that way or at least do not treat it that way.Talked to a chick here in Thailand on Tinder yesterday. She wanted 1200 baht. I told her 1000 baht. She said 1000 baht for her and 200 baht to get back and forth. When was the last time you were on a job and they gave you extra money to get to work and to get home?
Many people here report giving the prostitute trike money. Did they give the guy that came to set up their cable TV trike money too? Or is this something special only reserved to people employed as prostitutes?
Engine Driver
12-13-18, 06:38
Talked to a chick here in Thailand on Tinder yesterday. She wanted 1200 baht. I told her 1000 baht. She said 1000 baht for her and 200 baht to get back and forth. When was the last time you were on a job and they gave you extra money to get to work and to get home?
Many people here report giving the prostitute trike money. Did they give the guy that came to set up their cable TV trike money too? Or is this something special only reserved to people employed as prostitutes?I note that this chick needed two hours to think about your final offer before agreeing.
I don't know about the States, but in my country, the plumber, electrician or locksmith will charge a call out fee of about $100 to cover his travelling time, gas, tyres, truck depreciation etc. This is even before he starts on the job.
If you hire a lawyer to defend you in another city, he's going to charge you travel time, fares and accommodation.
I don't have a problem with a hooker asking for trike money.
Chocha Monger
12-13-18, 07:41
There are guys who buy the diamond rings and the condo; I have bonked them. There is an investment banker on trial in London right now for killing a high class escort (who moonlighted as a computer programmer or vice versa). Actually some cute titled lady who was hooking died recently, also from too much coke / smack. I also agree with you about "this sophomoric nonsense of rating girls on a scale of 1 to 10". I got that out of my system with drop dead gorgeous women decades ago. Some of my best bonks have been butt ugly.True. Much like "ugli fruit" combines the best of grapefruit, orange, and tangerine, ugly girls combine the best attitude and sensations in their pussies.
Again, Angeles is a tourist destination where people go to make sandcastles and wet pussy dreams. Your main thrust is right. Don't eulogise over a sperm bucket. Don't over think it or make it out to be something it is not. In fact, your approach is the sanest. Why get caught up in their drams if you are not going to rescue them. And if you are going to rescue them, who will rescue you?Good question! Who will rescue him? No one! Guys who try to rescue fallen women are beyond help themselves, and very few manage to survive the fall and crawl out of the pit to tell their cautionary tales. Many prostitutes in Angeles City are seeking their Cinderella stories without a happy ending for the elderly potbellied prince.
Shall we move the topic back to AC?
Has the America Hotel opened it's old wing? Last time I was there, the pool (in the old wing) was open, but the rooms were mostly gutted. Including the haunted room.
I found a bar selling craft beer down past the jeepney stop. Tiny place, but good beer. Anyone been there? I don't remember the name.I think you might be referring to the CPI telephone shop where they have 4 different craft beers, all good: nice little business.
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Mr Enternational
12-13-18, 09:56
I don't know about the States, but in my country, the plumber, electrician or locksmith will charge a call out fee of about $100 to cover his travelling time, gas, tyres, truck depreciation etc. This is even before he starts on the job.In my city in the States this is given as a credit if you decide to let them do the work. Motorbike taxis here in Pattaya run you about 50 baht each way, not 100. And it was not 2 hours to think about anything. Chicks just answer their messages sporadically like that.
Many people here report giving the prostitute trike money. It's just part of the negotiation. Trikes are expensive in AC, also for the girls (when they want to go to the Fields area anyway).
Of course some of them will take a jeepney instead of a trike, but that's all part of the game.
When was the last time you were on a job and they gave you extra money to get to work and to get home?Here in the Netherlands it's very common that your employer gives you extra money for that. When you live more than 10 km from your work anyway.
DzikaBomba
12-13-18, 13:05
Talked to a chick here in Thailand on Tinder yesterday. She wanted 1200 baht. I told her 1000 baht. She said 1000 baht for her and 200 baht to get back and forth. When was the last time you were on a job and they gave you extra money to get to work and to get home?
Many people here report giving the prostitute trike money. Did they give the guy that came to set up their cable TV trike money too? Or is this something special only reserved to people employed as prostitutes?This is standard for escorts in Europe. You pay them for sex and additionally for travel expenses.
They have a fixed rate. I. E. 0,30€ per KM.
Chocha Monger
12-13-18, 17:53
I hate to disabuse you but prostitutes are mercenaries. They trade sex for money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+prostitute&oq=define%3 A+prostitute&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i58.6627 j1 j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
Mercenary: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&ei=LEIQXPHJM4Sq1fAPnu-r8A0&q=define%3A+mercenary&oq=define%3 A+mercenary&gs_l=psy-ab. 3. 0 l3 j0 i22 i30 l7. 36557.38384. 38750.0. 0. 0. 75.594. 9. 0. 1. gws-wiz. 0 i10. Zse6 AYQALAI.
Primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.
Some mercenaries make good wedge. So do some prostitutes. As with any mercenary trade, some apply themselves better. The security guards at Jolibee and the hotels would not be much good against US Marines but they are not supposed to go up against the USMC, only to open doors, tip their hats and have an occasional shoot out. I know cases where Hopeless Harrys took the GFE at face value and got into all kinds of trouble over it. When you are with a prostitutes, you pay her to leave. No different from any other call of nature. You do your business, sleep safely alone or go on with your day without day dreaming about Pretty Woman.Wise words but many fans of Pinay prostitutes are incapable of seeing beyond their superb acting and accept the reality that they pay these women to perform, and when they stop paying the women will stop performing. Hopeless Harrys refuse to realize that they are only business to these GFE hookers. They imagine that there is some deeper emotional connection where there is none, and even feel hurt when their favorite prostitute girlfriend / wife leaves them dick-in-hand for a better offer. Some fellas refuse, or are unable, to give up on their Pretty Woman dreams. They will persist until loss of health, wealth, sanity, and perhaps life put a permanent end to the foolish quest.
I will leave it to others to decide whether hookers are good or bad. However, I will say that in society we recognize that some people are inherently more dangerous than others due to the nature of their chosen profession, and we regard them accordingly in our dealings with them. Those who fail to acknowledge this fact often come to bad ends, as a result of their willful blindness.
Mr Enternational
12-13-18, 19:31
This is standard for escorts in Europe. You pay them for sex and additionally for travel expenses.
They have a fixed rate. I. E. 0,30 per KM.I think my point was misconstrued. I was trying to make the point that it is not just a job like a teacher or fast food worker because those bosses are not paying those workers' way back and forth to work like the punters do for the hookers. Speaking of which, do they also expect the gogos or bars to pay their way from home and back everyday?
IMO it is foolish to compare local customs and culture to other customs and culture.
Some countries drive on the left (wrong) side of the road! Who is right about this? Do you drive on the right side of the left side country so you can be dead right?
This is standard for escorts in Europe. You pay them for sex and additionally for travel expenses.
They have a fixed rate. I. E. 0,30 per KM.Not true actually. I have taken escorts in many European countries and they never ask for "taxi money" and if they did I would certainly not have paid. So what country are you talking about? I think it is fair to offer taxi money in some situations, like in the Phil. Where every peso is important. I would not dream of offering this to a European prostitute.
PedroMorales
12-14-18, 01:08
Not true actually. I have taken escorts in many European countries and they never ask for "taxi money" and if they did I would certainly not have paid. So what country are you talking about? I think it is fair to offer taxi money in some situations, like in the Phil. Where every peso is important. I would not dream of offering this to a European prostitute.Hookers in Europe have different rates for in call and outcall and the difference is a lot more than a cab / taxi ride. Unless you are bonking her there as well. Time, for one, kicks in big time. Trike from hotel to pick up point in Pampanga is 100 PHP max. I know as I've done it many times. Romeos pay much more than 100 PHP for cab fare. Kinda funny doing Romeo at a jeepney rank with wads of 500 PHPs.
As regards "I would not dream of offering this to a European prostitute" no offence but they would shtt you and your Pampanga lovelies for breakfast. The Pampanga angels are nowhere near as professional as their European based sisters; different class, prize fighter v street brawler. One single example for now. Pinays often don't buy tampons because of peso problems. That leads to spoiled sheets, a hotel fine and said farmer's daughter getting ejected from hotel. European lovelies use red condoms to hide the blood. They advertise a base rate but when the fish sees the bait. Good boob jobs. Tucked waist, facelift, puckered lips, the full nine yards' lift up as our American friends say, they drop a month's salary in an hour whereas bambino oil and tissues might have given better service.
Think of hookers as pizza, which is only simple unleavened bread of the sort Jesus ate. But Jesus just did bread and wine (and a bit of fish). Get the European hooker and those extras will break your wallet but do wonders for your waist line as you won't be able to afford much food. Pinay babes are Jollibee babes. Unless you get the toppings, like taxi fares.
Of the two schools I am in the Mike Tyson school. Though he was rich, he liked going back to the hoods and drinking cheap plum brandy. Keep it real. No taxis. Let them use jeepneys or walk off the Jollibee.
If you want to be a pot bellied Prince Charming, give your taxi fares to waitresses and mall attendants.
I've had to take up the slack because of you. I tip some retired wench because I feel why not. Then she and her daughters start stalking me because their last ATM died (or was killed) and they need some fresh host to leech off. From when they are born, people like you get them to believe they are not human, that they are barnacles only needing a Pedro to latch / leech on to. I can't take it any more. Mansplain it to them.
Mr Enternational
12-14-18, 03:32
Wise words but many fans of Pinay prostitutes are incapable of seeing beyond their superb acting and accept the reality that they pay these women to perform.What acting? You know where you met them, so there is no mystery. It is nobody but the dude's fault for trying to turn a ho into a housewife. Like a chick from High Society once told me, her boyfriend sends her money because he wants her to stay home. She said she is 20 years old and is not going to do that. She wants to be out having fun. And to her, fun is running out picking up dudes in High Society.
The other day in Pattaya my brother took 2 chicks from the club. I have known the alpha chick for years. She told my brother that she recently met a guy and he sent her $1000. He wants her to go back home to the province as if there are no dicks there. I guess he would much rather her take Thai dick than foreign dick.
Chocha Monger
12-14-18, 06:02
What acting? You know where you met them, so there is no mystery. It is nobody but the dude's fault for trying to turn a ho into a housewife. Like a chick from High Society once told me, her boyfriend sends her money because he wants her to stay home. She said she is 20 years old and is not going to do that. She wants to be out having fun. And to her, fun is running out picking up dudes in High Society.
The other day in Pattaya my brother took 2 chicks from the club. I have known the alpha chick for years. She told my brother that she recently met a guy and he sent her $1000. He wants her to go back home to the province as if there are no dicks there. I guess he would much rather her take Thai dick than foreign dick.You have a point there when it comes to bar girls, and any girls found in the brothel city of Angeles. However, the saying that "you knew where you found them" also applies to online girls claiming to want "serious relationship" so just because a guy did not find her in a bar or freelancer disco does not mean much these days. Many sales assistants, hairdressers, and hotel clerks are moonlighting as hoes, and the lines are not always obvious to newbie mongers. In fact, many college girls are hoes with sponsors paying their tuition, especially in Angeles. Even in provincial colleges, some girls take to selling pussy to pay off tuition and exam fees during examination periods each year. In Manila, mongers reported changing hotels to fuck lady-guards and waitresses secretly on the game. In the Philippines, one can find undercover hoes anywhere doing square jobs.
DzikaBomba
12-14-18, 08:00
Not true actually. I have taken escorts in many European countries and they never ask for "taxi money" and if they did I would certainly not have paid. So what country are you talking about? I think it is fair to offer taxi money in some situations, like in the Phil. Where every peso is important. I would not dream of offering this to a European prostitute.Many, many times in Germany. Private Hobby prostitutes from the page kaufmich.com are very offen charging travel expenses.
But my rate was not correct. It was more. Last Time I paid 1€ per km.
I saw this also on other escort Pages but forgot the name.
Engine Driver
12-14-18, 09:52
She just might run away, as she is often looking everywhere except in the direction of the huge monger towing her back to his lair with a look of wild lust in his eyes, flushed ruddy face, and a Viagra induced protuberance in his shorts. One cannot help but think that the tiny tart is just looking for an opening to bolt! Who can blame her? At approximately 90 lbs wet weight, she has to build up a lot of courage to take a pounding from a bell-end propelled by 350 lbs plus of man-flesh.This is just hilarious! I haven't laughed so hard in a while. Imagine if that bell-end was up her ass! Ouch.
PedroMorales
12-14-18, 10:02
What acting? You know where you met them, so there is no mystery. It is nobody but the dude's fault for trying to turn a ho into a housewife. Like a chick from High Society once told me, her boyfriend sends her money because he wants her to stay home. She said she is 20 years old and is not going to do that. She wants to be out having fun. And to her, fun is running out picking up dudes in High Society.Perhaps marriage vows should be amended to reflect this reality of the dude sending shekels and the bride promising to take no more than 30 dicks a day or at a time?
Engine Driver
12-17-18, 10:25
With the advent of the smart phone, there doesn't appear to be an end to the ways you can find hookers in the Philippines. I was just browsing one day, and found this rather interesting app called 'Showaround'. It's a listing for tour guides around the world to show you around their home city. It lists their services and their hourly rates. The first thing I did was type in Angeles City, and wall-ah!! A whole heap of girls and guys are offering to show you around AC. Some of them are quite legit, with one PYT clearly stating that this is not an opportunity to date her and that the driver will be around at all times (presumably for her safety). On the other hand, there are quite a few profiles which indicate more than just touring is possible. Some of them are 'free', so the tour guide is expecting a nice benefit or some other such arrangement. Those ones also offer to take you to bars and girls and are fluent in Korean!
One of the girls providing what seems like questionable services (which is exactly what we're looking for) is shown below. Next time I'm in AC, I will book a tour guide and see how it goes.
The Manila section was also interesting. There's a lovely Viet girl offering to show you around Manila. God I love the Philippines.
Offshore Swell
12-17-18, 14:12
Wise words but many fans of Pinay prostitutes are incapable of seeing beyond their superb acting and accept the reality that they pay these women to perform, and when they stop paying the women will stop performing. Hopeless Harrys refuse to realize that they are only business to these GFE hookers. They imagine that there is some deeper emotional connection where there is none, and even feel hurt when their favorite prostitute girlfriend / wife leaves them dick-in-hand for a better offer. Some fellas refuse, or are unable, to give up on their Pretty Woman dreams. They will persist until loss of health, wealth, sanity, and perhaps life put a permanent end to the foolish quest.
I will leave it to others to decide whether hookers are good or bad. However, I will say that in society we recognize that some people are inherently more dangerous than others due to the nature of their chosen profession, and we regard them accordingly in our dealings with them. Those who fail to acknowledge this fact often come to bad ends, as a result of their willful blindness.I don't get why anyone would demonise a working girl. You hired her body, what did you expect?. The most important thing is to treat her like a human being for that is what she is. Whether you send her away immediately or fall I love with her. Sure she turns on the acting but what does she have left if she gives her inner self to you? And if we were to trawl through the posts on all of this forum you would possibly conclude that our values are actually not mainstream family values. Actually I lost my family because I loved fucking working girls so much ha ha. I later married a girl I met who was a working girl and she loved me deeply, very deeply for 5 long years before I couldn't stand it anymore. But she is still a Close close friend. , somebody I trust implicitly and will care about untill I die.
So we are not the most well socialised beings ourselves. Possibly the most pertinent comment for so many of those lost souls who turn up in Phils, Thailand et al like you describe here is "learn to love yourself before you can love somebody else".
OS being obsessive compulsive just got hung up on the mechanical part of loving somebody else, never got any further than having a ball with the "in and out bit" and still enjoys it immensely. But there is a whole world of humanity in those girls and you can't tell me that after fucking well over a thousand of them that there wouldn't have been two or three that would have made brilliant lifetime partners. (as long as they didn't mind OS's obsessive compulsive in and out disorder).
Hope that helps.
OS.
Mr Enternational
12-17-18, 14:44
With the advent of the smart phone, there doesn't appear to be an end to the ways you can find hookers in the Philippines. I was just browsing one day, and found this rather interesting app called 'Showaround'. It's a listing for tour guides around the world to show you around their home city.You are late to the party man. You can also find normal people with Showaround. Why does every app, program, and website get turned into a thing for hookers and tricks? To me it shows that you are not as "different" as you think. Also check out Bumble.
Mr Enternational
12-17-18, 15:00
But there is a whole world of humanity in those girls and you can't tell me that after fucking well over a thousand of them that there wouldn't have been two or three that would have made brilliant lifetime partners.Quite possible. But for me, when I think of chicks in my past that I should have or could have stuck with, not one hooker comes to mind, only regular chicks. I would think one of the primary tenets of a lifetime partner is choosing someone that is not with you for what you have because you may not have it tomorrow. That pretty much rules out all hookers since they are with you because you are giving them money.
I don't get why anyone would demonise a working girl. You hired her body, what did you expect? It always makes me laugh when wheremongers are judgemental of working girls. LOL.
I once had a girl in a taxi apologising profusely to me about how immoral she was for selling sex. It took quite a while to explain to her that I, as a guy buying sex, was not in a position to judge the morality of a girl who is selling it.
Mr Enternational
12-17-18, 16:00
It always makes me laugh when wheremongers are judgemental of working girls. LOL.I don't think it is a monger-working girl thing. It is a people thing. Working girls are judgmental of other working girls and of mongers as well. Chick I got from LA Cafe the other day kept going on about how she is not like all the other girls in there. Shut up and put my dick back in your mouth bih. Ain't my business what you do when you are not in this room with your legs wide open.
There is a difference between being judgmental and being wise though. I would not go into a den full of thieves and not expect somebody to try to pickpocket me. Same as I would not go into a den full of working girls and not expect certain things. You can't walk around in the world being naive or you will most certainly get bit in the ass.
PedroMorales
12-17-18, 16:19
I don't get why anyone would demonise a working girl. But there is a whole world of humanity in those girls and you can't tell me that after fucking well over a thousand of them that there wouldn't have been two or three that would have made brilliant lifetime partners.Indeed. Many fine French novels have put prostitutes on altars, right where they were put after Bastille Day 1789. It is fair to say all of them would make great wives and any child would be proud to have any of them as a mother. Christmas would be such a joy, celebrating the birth of Our Divine Saviour, as the entire family and their friends short timed our beloved wife and our female neighbours replicated their entrepreneurial skills.
Engine Driver
12-17-18, 20:55
You are late to the party man. You can also find normal people with Showaround. Why does every app, program, and website get turned into a thing for hookers and tricks? To me it shows that you are not as "different" as you think. Also check out Bumble.Mr E, once again I think you are shooting off responses without properly reading posts or understanding the context. But I don't blame you. With your prodigious workload (9,000+ posts) covering every mongering zone between Rio, DR and Patts, how could you possibly have the time to properly read everything?
I acknowledged that there were genuine tour guides on there. I also provided evidence of a nice looking girl who's headline was "I don't really know why I am here". She then says she's not a professional guide but likes to have fun and can show you a good time at bars, clubs etc. In AC! So, what does that mean?
The purpose of the post was to show how a perfectly innocuous app can be turned into something else in the Philippines. Prove me wrong here.
On non-mongering days in the AC, people could actually hire a genuine tour guide and spend a pleasant few hours talking with an educated person. Now wouldn't that be different??
Yes, we all know about Bumble, Scout, WeChat, TanTan, Momo etc.
SOAP BOX: ON.
I've mentioned this before, but the Philippines board is incredibly unforgiving. There only ever seems to be a handful of regular contributors as any newbie who tries to say something just gets shot down. Remember TenaliRaman in Makati who paid 6,000 PHP for a toothless, 50 year old hag? Do you think he will ever submit any more reports on the Phils board?
The veterans here need to cut contributors some slack, otherwise how would you ever get an alternative view?
There is a difference between being judgmental and being wise though. I would not go into a den full of thieves and not expect somebody to try to pickpocket me. Same as I would not go into a den full of working girls and not expect certain things. You can't walk around in the world being naive or you will most certainly get bit in the ass.Your right. However I don't see it as the full story.
I'm a glass half full type of guy and try to get and get the best out of all situations and people. While being naive will see me get bitten, seeing only the potential worst in a situation will also block many good times.
Offshore Swell
12-18-18, 01:10
Quite possible. But for me, when I think of chicks in my past that I should have or could have stuck with, not one hooker comes to mind, only regular chicks. I would think one of the primary tenets of a lifetime partner is choosing someone that is not with you for what you have because you may not have it tomorrow. That pretty much rules out all hookers since they are with you because you are giving them money.Marrying for love is a luxury that the women of not every country have. Marriage is still very transactional in so many parts of the world including the destinations we tend to frequent.
Mr Enternational
12-18-18, 02:27
Marrying for love is a luxury that the women of not every country have. Marriage is still very transactional in so many parts of the world including the destinations we tend to frequent.Shit. It is transactional damn near everywhere. Marrying for love ain't but like 100 years old and is as dumb an idea as it was the day it was invented.
It always makes me laugh when wheremongers are judgemental of working girls. LOL.
I once had a girl in a taxi apologising profusely to me about how immoral she was for selling sex. It took quite a while to explain to her that I, as a guy buying sex, was not in a position to judge the morality of a girl who is selling it.Most girls selling sex do not want to be known as prostitutes. You can hear from Latina girls " I am not a Puta " to Asian girls " I am not that type of girl " to North American girl " I am just a companion escort " to Europe girls " I just enjoy sex ".
Long time ago I used to ask girls about the circumstances of them start selling sex. Mostly they said they needed money. Some to support their bad habits, some with no future etc. But now I just enjoy, pay money good or bad and done with it.
Marrying for love is a luxury that the women of not every country have. Marriage is still very transactional in so many parts of the world including the destinations we tend to frequent.Spot on. Hookers and house wives are (at times polar) different skillsets. You don't want Kimmi Thai selling cup cakes at little league just a Suburban Susy may not enjoy having her tongue up your arse. Keeping the rules separate has many benefits.
Jerry Hall's definition of a perfect woman: part Princess, part Chef and part Hooker is a unicorn. 😁.
Chocha Monger
12-18-18, 03:50
I don't get why anyone would demonise a working girl. You hired her body, what did you expect?. The most important thing is to treat her like a human being for that is what she is. Whether you send her away immediately or fall I love with her. Sure she turns on the acting but what does she have left if she gives her inner self to you? And if we were to trawl through the posts on all of this forum you would possibly conclude that our values are actually not mainstream family values. Actually I lost my family because I loved fucking working girls so much ha ha. I later married a girl I met who was a working girl and she loved me deeply, very deeply for 5 long years before I couldn't stand it anymore. But she is still a Close close friend. , somebody I trust implicitly and will care about untill I die.
So we are not the most well socialised beings ourselves. Possibly the most pertinent comment for so many of those lost souls who turn up in Phils, Thailand et al like you describe here is "learn to love yourself before you can love somebody else"..Maybe two or three of them out of over a thousand could have made the leap from hooker to wife. Nevertheless, the odds of success going by those numbers are only 0. 2% to 0. 3%, and those are terrible odds even for a gambling man. Guys who try to switch from paying customer to non-paying boyfriend or husband to a hooker usually find that she expects them to pay even more than when they rented her for a night.
A prostitute goes with men to get paid, and she prioritizes the men who are easily satisfied and willing to pay the highest rates. A wife is a partner who shares in her husband's hardships including loss of health and wealth. In such a scenario, the prostitute will simply move on to new customers without such issues.
I am sure there are some ex-con bank robbers and embezzlers who could have become brilliant financial managers and banking executives. However, one would not find banks hiring them for those roles, and if they did so, customers would think twice about banking with those institutions.
The farmer favors a dog to guard the henhouse rather than a fox, even though he admires and loves foxes for the creatures that they are.
Chocha Monger
12-18-18, 03:59
Most girls selling sex do not want to be known as prostitutes. You can hear from Latina girls " I am not a Puta " to Asian girls " I am not that type of girl " to North American girl " I am just a companion escort " to Europe girls " I just enjoy sex ".
Long time ago I used to ask girls about the circumstances of them start selling sex. Mostly they said they needed money. Some to support their bad habits, some with no future etc. But now I just enjoy, pay money good or bad and done with it.They do not like being called prostitutes but they sure want money for sex. Tell them that you will fuck them without giving them any money because they are not prostitutes and see what happens next.
Maybe two or three of them out of over a thousand could have made the leap from hooker to wife. I totally agree. Attempting to save a hooker is a receipe for disaster.
Having said that, while we are paying handsomely to bang them, the girls often have a side dick who is happily getting it for free. The ubiquitous trike driver or similar that everyone jokes about. I can tell you that foreigners are not prevented from that role. I and several other guys have had great times with hookers as unpaid GFs.
Yes you need to go in with your eyes open. Yes, you need to be very comfortable with open relationships. Yes, it's not for everyone. But man, it's fun while it lasts.
Oh, and yes, she will be off sooner than sliced meat when a cashed up idiot arrives to save her from us and our kind. 🤔.
Enjoy, G.
We pay girls to fuck. Why do some Johns think they are more respectable than the girls? It all mind masterbation.
We pay girls to fuck. Why do some Johns think they are more respectable than the girls? It all mind masterbation.And how many mongers would make great husbands?
And how many mongers would make great husbands?IMO, same percentage as the girls.
Although lower when compared to the new, innocent girls, the girls who go into the business to support their families. I respect them. Then afterwards, maybe similar after the girls become jaded (but then who wouldn't be).
And how many mongers would make great husbands?To me, at least the WG's have a more noble cause for doing what they do rather than the many workers who crawl up the boss's bum to get promotion.
Who are we to judge.
NI.
PedroMorales
12-18-18, 11:27
Is not for me. I tend to avoid most of them. The only thing that unites us, to a degree, in places like Angeles is that we wish to put our penises, sheathed or not, into the orifices of rice farmers' daughters in return for some chump change. Each of us is different, just as each of them is different in ways. Some of them are like the wise virgins in the Bible who provide for rainy days. Many of them are like the foolish ones, who squander their inheritance. Many of them learn slothful habits. Not for them a days's work and this is not helped by the type of low-paid work for which they are qualified.
Sure, most of us are carrying baggage. But we don't need cargo boats more of it by hooking up with some cut-price spinner. Keep it real.
Blanquiceleste
12-18-18, 14:54
I totally agree. Attempting to save a hooker is a receipe for disaster.Absolutely. Even the great Houdini would fail at such a trick.
Absolutely. Even the great Houdini would fail at such a trick.Agree. Nuff said.
ManonsanBoy
12-18-18, 18:45
Is not for me. I tend to avoid most of them. The only thing that unites us, to a degree, in places like Angeles is that we wish to put our penises, sheathed or not, into the orifices of rice farmers' daughters in return for some chump change.
Sure, most of us are carrying baggage. But we don't need cargo boats more of it by hooking up with some cut-price spinner. Keep it real.I see ex hooker / ex punter couples in Hong Kong and Pattaya. Typically, 70 year old man with a 40 year woman with tattoos. Generally they look miserable and embarrassed, especially the men. The bar girls do not age well at all. They look exactly like what they are; ex hooker and old men.
I know a couple in Malaysia. The woman came to work for the chap as a live in domestic helper when she was about 16 and went to Sabah as an illegal immigrant. The chap was about 50 at the time. The predictable happened. Within a year, she was pregnant. Luckily, the chap took a likely to the girl and 25 years later, they have managed to establish a home and have 2 children. But ex bar girls are recognisable a mile away. This one is not.
It always makes me laugh when wheremongers are judgemental of working girls. LOL.
I once had a girl in a taxi apologising profusely to me about how immoral she was for selling sex. It took quite a while to explain to her that I, as a guy buying sex, was not in a position to judge the morality of a girl who is selling it.I once had a conversation with a working girl who told me that she would never marry a john who she worked with because he would always throw back at her the fact that she was a working girl. So I said to her but could'nt you at the same time throw back at him that he was a monger who sessioned many prostitutes. She raised her eyebrows and said she never thought of that. Go figure.
I'm trying to decide between Christmas in Angeles or Subic.
A deal breaker question to all the Aussies out there is can I get decent bacon in Angeles? I'm talking the real, full rash, 1/8" thick, eye in delicacy. Not the incinerated in Chernobyl, cast off, biohazard that our American friends so enjoy. 😁.
Anyone with info, please do the right thing and help a mate out.
Ta, G.
Naked Gunz
12-19-18, 07:04
Not the incinerated in Chernobyl, cast off, biohazard that our American friends so enjoy.Ta, G.I mean, I always enjoy Kokomos breakfast! I'm easy to please tho.
BrainDrain
12-19-18, 08:22
I'm trying to decide between Christmas in Angeles or Subic.
A deal breaker question to all the Aussies out there is can I get decent bacon in Angeles?
Ta, G.You will not get good bake-on in Philippines.
I'm trying to decide between Christmas in Angeles or Subic.
A deal breaker question to all the Aussies out there is can I get decent bacon in Angeles? I'm talking the real, full rash, 1/8" thick, eye in delicacy. Not the incinerated in Chernobyl, cast off, biohazard that our American friends so enjoy. 😁.
Anyone with info, please do the right thing and help a mate out.
Ta, G.In my four trips to Philippines I have always had nuced bacon burnt to a crisp. That's in Manila, Subic, Cebu & Sabang. Just like that dam Cabonara with spaghetti. WTF its fettuccine you dumb arses!
But really bacon is one of your deal breakers. You MUST really like your bacon.
You know a friend of mine recently flew to Vietnam with ham and other meat from Australia. I think she put it in a freezer box thing and inside another cardboard box. BYO Bacon maybe.
In my four trips to Philippines I have always had nuced bacon burnt to a crisp. That's in Manila, Subic, Cebu & Sabang. Just like that dam Cabonara with spaghetti. WTF its fettuccine you dumb arses!
But really bacon is one of your deal breakers. You MUST really like your bacon.
You know a friend of mine recently flew to Vietnam with ham and other meat from Australia. I think she put it in a freezer box thing and inside another cardboard box. BYO Bacon maybe.Mate, try being paroled after 20 years as an Infidel in Indonesia and tell me you don't look forward to a good chunk of dead pig. 😁.
All right, I'm exaggerating a bit but if I can find somewhere with the good stuff, I know where every breakfast will be eaten.
Thanks. G.
PedroMorales
12-19-18, 15:26
Mate, try being paroled after 20 years as an Infidel in Indonesia and tell me you don't look forward to a good chunk of dead pig. 😁.
All right, I'm exaggerating a bit but if I can find somewhere with the good stuff, I know where every breakfast will be eaten.
Thanks. G.If it is so important to you, why not come to a deal with a restaurant or hotel. Even buy the extras (sauces, spices) yourself.
You know a friend of mine recently flew to Vietnam with ham and other meat from Australia. I think she put it in a freezer box thing and inside another cardboard box. BYO Bacon maybe.
If it is so important to you, why not come to a deal with a restaurant or hotel. Even buy the extras (sauces, spices) yourself.Thanks guys. That's definitely do-able for next trip.
Unfortunately I'm already in country on a multi stop trip so keeping my stash fresh might be difficult. For a stop and stay trip it's a no brainer.
Thanks again.
Thanks guys. That's definitely do-able for next trip.
Unfortunately I'm already in country on a multi stop trip so keeping my stash fresh might be difficult. For a stop and stay trip it's a no brainer.
Thanks again.You can buy it fresh at S&are Membership. They have stores in Manila, Dau, Cebu and other cities. I believe you are talking about ham or Canadian Bacon. I buy it there and a loaf of white bread with mayonnaise. You can buy small packets of mayo at family mart.
I make sandwiches when I have 2-3 girls in the room to build our energy up again.
You can buy it fresh at S&are Membership. They have stores in Manila, Dau, Cebu and other cities. I believe you are talking about ham or Canadian Bacon. I buy it there and a loaf of white bread with mayonnaise. You can buy small packets of mayo at family mart.
I make sandwiches when I have 2-3 girls in the room to build our energy up again.You, sir, are a fucking legend!!
Keep an eye on my Travel Announcements. If we are ever in the same place, let me know. I owe you a beer.
Cheers.
Chocha Monger
12-20-18, 04:23
If it is so important to you, why not come to a deal with a restaurant or hotel. Even buy the extras (sauces, spices) yourself.Alternatively, just stick to the two succulent bacon strips between the legs of the Pinay fucklets.
You, sir, are a fucking legend!!
Keep an eye on my Travel Announcements. If we are ever in the same place, let me know. I owe you a beer.
Cheers.There is also the H&W Delicatessen in Korean town that carries the ham you are looking for. It costs more there but it is closer than S&R. Fil-Am Friendship highway, ground floor. 0905.891. 4600. Opens 08:30 to 20:00.
They have a great selection of imported sausages and ham. And a vast selection of wine.
Turn left on friendship from perimeter road, where newer and cleaner Jollibee is and half a click on the left. Happy eating!
Engine Driver
12-22-18, 08:40
Seems like an Australian member of parliament (congressman) is in trouble for going to mongering zones. Seems his fiancee worked in a karaoke bar.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/george-christensen-slams-vile-smear-campaign-over-asia-trips/news-story/7d8713a1e95e9277bc5e6e11d146eced
Engine Driver
12-22-18, 10:04
Seems like an Australian member of parliament (congressman) is in trouble for going to mongering zones. Seems his fiancee worked in a karaoke bar.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-government/george-christensen-slams-vile-smear-campaign-over-asia-trips/news-story/7d8713a1e95e9277bc5e6e11d146ecedhttps://www.news.com.au/national/politics/mp-george-christensen-hits-back-at-disgusting-smear-campaign/news-story/21eeb2fa5acf76eff72ccf02f1bdb4cc
Arriving AC tomorrow if anyone wants a wingman or trade lies.
Staying at the Grand and bouncing between bars and online.
Enjoy, G.
PedroMorales
12-22-18, 13:45
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/mp-george-christensen-hits-back-at-disgusting-smear-campaign/news-story/21eeb2fa5acf76eff72ccf02f1bdb4ccHow does everyone else handle smears like this? Once one is a frequent flyer to SE Asia, one gets called all kinds of unmentionable things. I was going to ask this question separately but here is an Ossie politician getting this type of flak. And he is not the first.
Flying to SE Asia leavers us open to all kinds of abuse. Lonely Planet has a very low opinion of us and backpackers think they are morally superior to us. It seems OK to waste one's time visiting tourist traps in Europe but if you go to SE Asia toi drink cheap beer, scuba dive and give women young enough to be your daughter or now, in my case and others, grand daughter, you are be-A-the.
All that is needed, as in the case of this politician, is someone to have it in for you and you might end up in some serious doo doo.
How does everyone else handle smears like this? Once one is a frequent flyer to SE Asia, one gets called all kinds of unmentionable things. I was going to ask this question separately but here is an Ossie politician getting this type of flak. And he is not the first.The two most recent cases of Oz politicians caught having fun in Asia are at the far end of the spectrum. This guy is likely to survive because he's played it as a regular girlfriend who is doing Gods work. She just happens to be in Asia. The other took the high moral ground on gay marriage and other family matters then used some taxpayers money to visit his SA sugar baby in Singapore. All this while he was happily married. For good measure he documented the whole process with some graphic emails and smses that she has now given to a gossip magazine. He was gone posted haste.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/it-speaks-to-the-climate-of-women-sugar-baby-website-says-andrew-broad-was-a-metoo-casualty/news-story/7e8236368f8e9deec2aa23e0eec3a72f
Flying to SE Asia leavers us open to all kinds of abuse. Lonely Planet has a very low opinion of us and backpackers think they are morally superior to us. It seems OK to waste one's time visiting tourist traps in Europe but if you go to SE Asia toi drink cheap beer, scuba dive and give women young enough to be your daughter or now, in my case and others, grand daughter, you are be-A-the.
All that is needed, as in the case of this politician, is someone to have it in for you and you might end up in some serious doo doo.I've always been a huge fan of flying under the radar and plausible denial.
Being a keen traveler with nice FB posts of photos of scuba diving, beaches and interesting temples is received totally differently to posting photos of getting smashed for a fortnight in AC and Patts. The ultimate prize is to score a job that actually pays you to visit or live in these areas and provides excellent cover.
In most cases everyone knows what's going on but choose to turn a blind eye to things that are not too confronting.
Engine Driver
12-23-18, 03:31
This politician is morbidly obese and would weigh around 330 lbs. There is no way a white Caucasian woman in Australia would have dated him. So it seems he has been going to AC for a number of years for playtime. He finally found the love of his life in a karaoke bar and proposed to her. To further legitimise his trips to AC, he engineered a meeting with the RSL (Australian military veterans) based in AC to raise money for wheelchairs or some shit like that.
He hasn't done anything wrong and the trips have been on his own tab, so I hope he survives.
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