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Admin
09-20-05, 00:00
Greetings everyone,

This fucking BS just never goes away. Personally, I'm so fucking tired of this fucking BS that I'm ready to shut down the entire Thailand section just to have a break from this fucking BS.

As to be expected, Domino/Skinless has emailed me to chastize my decision, offer his opinion of who is really the serial antangonist, tell me how good his reporting is, that everybody else is the problem, and that he is never going to post again.

Freeler has emailed me to advise me that The Traveler is the real problem, not Domino, and that I made a mistake in giving Domino his own section.

Can Good Enough, Samus Aran and Juice Spike, Terry Terrier, LJohnson and others be far behind?

Anyway, I DO NOT have the time to read every report and every response to every report, and every one of the counter-responses to the responses, and then try to ascertain a pattern, and then analyze the other members reports for similar patterns, and then render a Solomon-like judgement, take strong action against a specific Forum Member, and then have to defend my decision for the next two weeks.

In other words, I just don't have the time.

Does everyone understand this: I just don't have the fucking time to deal with this!

So here's what I'm going to do: Pursuant to the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy, I am posting this poll to ascertain the the Forum Membership's opinion regarding the cumulative reports of all the combatants, including.

Domino/Skinless
The Traveler
Freeler
Juice Spike
Terry Terrier
LJohnson

The poll is simple: Who should be restricted to his own section?

Let me be clear here: I am sure that there are several members on this list that DO NOT deserve to be subjected to this poll. To those of you in that group, I offer in advance my sincere apologies and ask that you understand my situation and work with me to formulate a equitable decision.

Please remember: I just don't have the fucking time to deal with this!

I also recognize that this entire poll may very well play into Domino/Skinless's by sustaining the level of dischord. There's nothing I can do about this.

Please remember: I just don't have the fucking time to deal with this!

It's also possible that two or more of the combatants are actually the same person. There's nothing I can do about this.

Please remember: I just don't have the fucking time to deal with this!

You may review the Serial Antangonist Policy at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-serialantagonists.php

Please remember that this poll will close in 7 days.

Please remember that votes by new members (registering after today's date) will not be included in this poll's final vote tally.

In addition to your vote, I would also encourage you to post your comments.

Thanks,

Jackson

Global Citizen
09-20-05, 08:22
Hey Jackson,

How about just having a section called The Serial Antagonist and let those guys fight it out there rather than give individuals their own section - also make it a rule of no antagonism allowed in the regular sections.

So, should someone want to start a flame war, it'll be like "hey buddy, I'll see you in the SA section".

This way, when they are not being antagonistic, they can still be a valued contributing member of the ISG society.

just my 2 baht's worth.

GC

Hi CG,

That doesn't work because the goal of a Serial Antangonist is to provoke otherwise normal people into pointless arguments. As such, the Serial Antagonist is not going to voluntarily go to another section to fight because the normal person, absent the continued provocations, won't join him.

Thanks,

Jackson

PosterLion
09-20-05, 10:24
Jackson,

There are many times I feel all too sorry for you when I think of the silly mails I've read in the complaints/letters to the editor section of ISG.

But even so, I hope you don't close the Thailand section. I voted not to restrict anyone on the site as I don't see it helping the situation much. All one need do is open a new account and the tyranny begins all over again.

Maybe if you just ignore all complaints/emails from the Thailand section and allow Darwin's law to run it's course the problem will self-correct.

That is probably too much to ask-for/believe-in because I've been on this site for over three years and I've never witnessed a cease-fire between the serial-combatants. It reminds me of the troubles in Ireland or the Middle East. Oh well... What can a poster do?

Thanks in advance if you can find a way to keep the Thailand section open.

poster

Hi,

I'm not going to shut down the Thailand section. I'm just pissed because it's been causing me so much trouble and so many hours of work in the past. Hopefully, this survey will solve that by identifying the TRUE culprits.

Thanks,

Jackson

Daijek
09-20-05, 10:38
Dear Mr President Jackson,

Thailand is the most richest resource in sex industries, if you close Thai, you re closing 1/3 of ISG.. Double consider this Mr President...

GC is right, put them all into a fight corner, and no eye see how badly they fight, or killing each other keyboard.. And we just stay outside the ring to see somes funny clowns fight with finger and keyboard.. Maybe can light up my day by reading their FR.

Daijek

Hi,

I'm not going to shut down the Thailand section. I'm just pissed because it's been causing me so much trouble and so many hours of work in the past. Hopefully, this survey will solve that by identifying the TRUE culprits.

Thanks,

Jackson

Horatio
09-20-05, 11:47
Jackson,
I think that you should encourage members to use the ignore function of this forum. If some of these serial a-holes realize that they are on most people's ignore list they might change their posting style. I forget who first suggested doing this, but it works well for me.

Please do not close the Thailand section. It is the only section I read on a regular basis. I appreciate all the hard work you are doing to keep this forum running.

Regards Horatio

Hi,

I'm not going to shut down the Thailand section. I'm just pissed because it's been causing me so much trouble and so many hours of work in the past. Hopefully, this survey will solve that by identifying the TRUE culprits.

Thanks,

Jackson

Samus Aran
09-20-05, 15:15
Mr. Admin:

Since SA was the first to be given his own section, let SA say that none of these characters in yoru poll did it with the same style and grace that SA did. SA's section got tons of hits and posts. Third only behind Bangkok and Pattaya. Thats pretty damn good! SA's section was fun and got plenty of laughs. But the stuff that gets posted from certain people on your poll is just downrite UGLY!!! SA's section has run its course and was a good place for venting... venting with class. SA is glad that his name is not in this poll. Hey, SA thinks you should just shut down the whole Thai section and start new. Wipe it clean and get rid of the "rocks." Keep none of the previous posts. Like yoga preaches, "Get rid of the baggage in your life."

SA

Hi SA,

You are correct, I've never consider you a serial antagonist. You were given you own section because of your elevated sense of distain for women.

Thanks,

Jackson

Seydlitz
09-20-05, 16:27
It is interesting that most of the members who have cast a vote so far have not appeared much in the Thailand forum in the past. Maybe it is a good indication of the intimidating (or even bullying) effect of all that acrimony.

It appears to me now that the Thai section is also read by very many people who do not post much, or not at all. I doubt that such frequent and presumably interested readers have no knowledge of the ways of our hobby in Thailand. Their relative silence is a loss for all of us, since they probably have a lot to contribute.

If a form of banning can encourage the silent masses (...) to contribute more, then it is a wise move for the rest of us.

As to deciding on who is to blame, it seems obvious from the voting so far that there is an overwhelming majority pointing at Domino being the main culprit.

I would tend to concurr, but several others in the list have their share of responsibility in all that pain too. Nonetheless, banning them all seems quite extreme, as all of them (even Domino) have contributed useful posts too.

As such, I feel unable to cast a vote, so I will confine myself into abstention.

Sorry for having reached the end of my usefulness on this. I wouldbe interested in hearing about opinions of other long-standing high-volume contributors of this board, to see whether they share my indecisiveness.

Hi Seydlitz,

This is something that many people don't take into account: When you allow a Serial Antangonist to infect a forum, even one who contributes information, you are undoubtly deterring many others from contributing also.

As an addition note: I'm not actually talking about banning anyone here, just limiting them to posting in their own thread so that others can avoid them.

Thanks,

Jackson

Scotty Monger
09-20-05, 16:43
It is interesting that most of the members who have cast a vote so far have not appeared much in the Thailand forum in the past. Maybe it is a good indication of the intimidating (or even bullying) effect of all that acrimony.

It appears to me now that the Thai section is also read by very many people who do not post much, or not at all. I doubt that such frequent and presumably interested readers have no knowledge of the ways of our hobby in Thailand. Their relative silence is a loss for all of us, since they probably have a lot to contribute.

If a form of banning can encourage the silent masses (...) to contribute more, then it is a wise move for the rest of us.

As to deciding on who is to blame, it seems obvious from the voting so far that there is an overwhelming majority pointing at Domino being the main culprit.

I would tend to concurr, but several others in the list have their share of responsibility in all that pain too. Nonetheless, banning them all seems quite extreme, as all of them (even Domino) have contributed useful posts too.

As such, I feel unable to cast a vote, so I will confine myself into abstention.

Sorry for having reached the end of my usefulness on this. I wouldbe interested in hearing about opinions of other long-standing high-volume contributors of this board, to see whether they share my indecisiveness.

I am one of those who stopped posting in the Thailand forum, and there are many more like me. You are about to find out just how many of us there are. Many times I have started a post, to answer a member's question, only to stop because I realized that ANY participation in the Thailand forum could, and often would, lead to a flame war. Even worse, I found myself succumbing to Domino's constant "egging" of other members, and posted a few flames of my own. THIS IS THE GOAL OF THE SERIAL ANTAGONIST!!! To turn the rest of us into antagonists! It feeds his massive EGO.

Countless times, we have asked one another to stop participating in the constant flame wars that Domino starts. Yet, there is always someone to take the bait. I am as guilty as anyone else. This is testimony to Domino's ability to generate almost constant dischord in the Thailand forum. He is GOOD at what he does, and we all know it. My ultimate response to Domino was to simply go away. How many others has he made go away?

I think you are about to find out.

1Ball
09-20-05, 17:08
Dear Jackson, only a few hours after you put up this poll, many posters have jumped on board, so that, with one easy click of the mouse, they could voice an opinion. It is no secret to most what my opinion of Domino is, and as of this particular moment, voting shows an overwhelming abundance of posters who agree with me.

He says he will never post again....... so ? Am I the only one to notice he has also been caged in the PI ?

It is perfectly typical of him to blame everyone else, reminds me of the boy who cried wolf. Just for fun, yesterday, I went back, and skimmed over 200 posts from domino, and though some contain information, most posts are extremely derogatory to women, the word “skank” can be found in most posts. You will also see most posts are a personal attack on someone, generally a group of about 3 or 4 regulars, but he is certainly not one to beat up on only a few. Everyone is fair game, and I for one, believe you will see a return to normalcy, once you have enforced your decision of a couple of days ago. I don’t know who he is in real life, nor do I wish to, all I know is he is not a nice person, nor someone most of us would ever want to meet.

I would be very surprised to find this poll changing course, over the next few days. Hopefully you will take the results into consideration, when making your final decision, and in turn, we will try to be more vigilant, and inform you of his reappearance, under a new name, so that you may monitor his demeaning posts closely.

Just my 2 satang, thank you for your continuing efforts.

Cronin
09-20-05, 17:46
Jackson,

Since you asked for a report with my vote, I will post a comment.

I know The Traveler and 1ball personally. They are both good friends of mine and I count myself lucky that they are. Either one of these guys would give you the shirt off their back and the last Bhat in their pocket to help you.

I have to say that I don't know Domino, never met the man, so I can't speak to his personality. But I do know that I have been quite distressed to read the attacks, some of them amazingly viscious, against people I know to be the salt of the earth. I did vote against him here, I don't mind saying that out loud now.

I haven't been reading the Thai board lately, it has grown so tiresome. I especially wanted to post a defense of The Traveler after that kiddy porn nonsense, I apologize for not doing that. But I didn't want to get into that flame garbage.

It will be interesting to see if the Thai board gets back to discussing Thai girls, wouldn't that be fun?

See you all in the Big Durian,

Cronin

Hi Cronin,

I appreciate your comments, and I hope that The Traveler and others don't take exception to having been listed in the survey. My guess is that I'm going to owe all of them an apology when this is over and everyone can get back to the subject of the Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

Swede Thing
09-20-05, 18:25
I am against putting large contributors in their own thread.

If someone involves in meaningless BS then set at permanent restriction on users that they only can post once or twice a day. If that should be for everyone or just to people who rightfully or wrongfully always get caught in flame wars is an administrative thing to decide. I can live with both.

With a restriction of one post all users will hopefully think more about what they post. With just one or two post a day they will not be able to get a flame war running. This would also make that the "chat" parts of threads would go to the message system where they belong and not take up space among the reports.

Coma Boy
09-20-05, 18:34
Apart from his paedo-tirades I enjoy Domino's posts.

But, fuck, the relentless kiddy-fiddler-chat is tempting me to pay a katoey to gouge out my eyes with her fingernails to avoid reading a million more deja-vu posts.

So, yes, Domino is the one, and I'm sure he'd freely admit this himself.

Cage him!

Thumbs Up
09-20-05, 19:52
Jackson,

I truly appreciated all that you do here. You have undoubtedly put in a lot of time, effort, and sacrifice to make this an outstanding website. Server attacks, legal battles and flame wars are just some of the shit you have had to deal with here.

From my perspective it appears to me that Domino has gotten too big for his britches and is out of control. Apparently, his own arrogance combined with his long time presence here (familiarity breeds contempt) permits him, in his own mind, to engage in personal attacks, insults, and harassament. He has soured many of the forums here with his on going attacks and flame wars. In the combative atmosphere of Dominoworld respect for others is often only an afterthought. His constant attacks and battles with others here have been a negative distraction and IMO have inhibited the willingness of others to particpate. In other words, why come here to be somebody's punching bag.

I suspect this is not the first time you've had problems with the “antagonist” Domino. He used to post under the name of Skinless. Why? Did he get booted under that name as well?

Over time Domino has repeatedly demonstrated his inability to get along with others… his many positive contributions notwithstanding. In my opinion, the man is more trouble than he is worth. Time to put him in lock down mode.

Regards,
Thumbs Up

Mimonger
09-20-05, 21:59
I'll keep it short...

I don't want to read about, hear, or see anything to do with child porn. If its part of your agended....post it in a Michael (I got away with it) Jackson forum... This forum is about the sport of men pursuing WOMEN......M&M


Once again...nice work on the web site J!!!!

Little Wing
09-20-05, 23:08
It is interesting that most of the members who have cast a vote so far have not appeared much in the Thailand forum in the past. Maybe it is a good indication of the intimidating (or even bullying) effect of all that acrimony...

I don't read the Thai forums a lot, but since I know some Thai women in Hong Kong, so I have been reading the "Thai Women - Opinions & Advice" thread for its often-useful insights.

I have not made a careful study of this, but my impression is that some of the people mentioned in the poll get a little too strident with each other (which is annoying) but I haven't noticed them flaming others.

I have not felt intimidated on this thread. If I felt intimidated I would not have posted "Clients that suck" (a rather personal cry for a little sympathy when one of the girls I know was abused by a client). In fact, The Traveller took some time out from his "robust discussion" with JuiceSpike to post a reassuring message to me. More importantly, there were no degrading or childish comments. Noone told me I was stupid to care, or that that was just what she should expect if she chose that work.

Hence, I voted for "none of the above".

Peace...

Little Wing

Buko Max
09-21-05, 03:13
Hello Jackson,

This is a sad situation. After ignoring the posters in question since becoming a contributing member, I now have the chance to sound off. It is unfortunate that you have to spend time policing your website. You have reached your boiling point and must deal with this quandary. To see these guys bicker and monopolize the Thai thread turns my stomach. It really detracts from the main purpose of this forum. Long time senior posters should know better than anyone and lead by example.
This is probably not possible but I would quarantine the guilty posters for a time, say 30 days. This will give them time to reflect on their misdeeds. They then would hopefully realize how selfish they have been and show respect for other members as well as themselves.

Peace and Tranquility,
Mattrick

Dinghy
09-21-05, 06:45
ok - my 2satang for whatever it's worth - i ignored most of the tirades in the thailand forum because i frankly didn't care.

what most here need to remember is that "did not... did so did not!! ...did so!!" arguments are (in my favourite parlance) like mud wrestling with a pig - you get dirty and the pig enjoys the entertainment.

someone said "don't feed the trolls" - apt advice. i think (but have no objective proof) that khon d toned down his rhetoric somewhat (and even posted some readable non-tirade posts before being banished to his own section) doesn't matter to me one way or the other since i am capable of skipping over material without reading it (or chortling as i see 2 or more apparently grown men (or at least i hope they are men) in an argument worthy of and similar to an american dem-rep [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) slinging contest. if it helps to have him in his own cage, then so be it - but remember - the occasional good field report tends to outweigh the assorted bs (even if one has to sort thru it to get to "the good stuff"

Giotto
09-21-05, 08:02
jackson,

though i understand the decision to restrict dominos access to an own thread i believe, that this is not the right way of dealing with this problem.

flame wars always need two parties - one starts to provoke and the other one reacts to that. after some time nobody knows any more, who started it, and that doesn't really count. something like that will always happen, and should be accepted in general. what counts is that this discussions should be stopped from those who participated in it.

if appeals to all sides fail to stop a heated discussion, and more and more complaints about posts are appearing in your e-mails you or another forum administrator should post a warning to end that nonsense and apply the forum rules afterwards. whoever posts afterwards should face the consequences.

i know that there is a problem in judging those issues, but better to judge based on some existing rules than allowing the forum members to judge about another forum member with a poll. you take the risk now, that whenever a hot discussion starts up some forum member will ask you for a poll. another issue is to let majorities decide to restrict rights of minorities. that's for sure not what is meant with "freedom of speech".

i personally find it sad, that we reached this point, the necessity to act somehow was there, for sure. both sides were asked to stop that nonsense from many forum members, and reasonable adult persons should have listened - on both sides. but both sides did not stop and misused the forum, in my point of view.

giotto

hi giotto,

"freedom of speech" is an often misunderstood term.

"freedom of speech" refers to a citizen's right to speak out against a government. however, although "freedom of speech" protects a citizen's right to say what they want, but it does not compel other citizens or groups of citizens organized into for-profit or not-for-profit groups to provide them with a forum (no pun intended) for exercising that right. consider, the new york times is free to decide what letters to the editor it will publish in it's newspaper, and which it will throw into the trash can.

thanks,

jackson

Daijek
09-21-05, 09:08
I'm not so active at any place of Thailand except Hadyai, but i do read around.

Sometimes last year, Domino suddenly make a teasing comment on my FR at Hadyai section, then i respond him politely, but he never reply. Then i begin to read his History FR, and found that he do have lots of quality FR and sametime also lots of abusive FR, just to anyone (bullying around).

My vote is not against skinless, my vote is fairly according to his history FR.

Daijek


It is interesting that most of the members who have cast a vote so far have not appeared much in the Thailand forum in the past. Maybe it is a good indication of the intimidating (or even bullying) effect of all that acrimony.

It appears to me now that the Thai section is also read by very many people who do not post much, or not at all. I doubt that such frequent and presumably interested readers have no knowledge of the ways of our hobby in Thailand. Their relative silence is a loss for all of us, since they probably have a lot to contribute.

If a form of banning can encourage the silent masses (...) to contribute more, then it is a wise move for the rest of us.

As to deciding on who is to blame, it seems obvious from the voting so far that there is an overwhelming majority pointing at Domino being the main culprit.

I would tend to concurr, but several others in the list have their share of responsibility in all that pain too. Nonetheless, banning them all seems quite extreme, as all of them (even Domino) have contributed useful posts too.

As such, I feel unable to cast a vote, so I will confine myself into abstention.

Sorry for having reached the end of my usefulness on this. I wouldbe interested in hearing about opinions of other long-standing high-volume contributors of this board, to see whether they share my indecisiveness.

Hi Seydlitz,

This is something that many people don't take into account: When you allow a Serial Antangonist to infect a forum, even one who contributes information, you are undoubtly deterring many others from contributing also.

As an addition note: I'm not actually talking about banning anyone here, just limiting them to posting in their own thread so that others can avoid them.

Thanks,

Jackson

Duniawala
09-21-05, 16:41
Even though Domino/Skinless may have posted useful reports, it is his tirades that makes him obnoxious. The bottom line is that his behaviour takes away all the good points one can assign to him. So restricting him to his own section will do him good. I would bet that once that section opens up, he wont be posting much. Just look at the activities in the special sections opened up so far. They have pretty much dried up.

Unless you are SA, of course. :D

Jackson, I am surprised that you even had the time to go through this nonsense. I am humbled by your dedication to the forum. It takes sheer hard work and patience to keep a forum like this ongoing. Many thanks.

Hi Duniawala,

I had to get involved, the guy was destroying the Thailand forum.

When you allow a Serial Antangonist to infect a forum, even one who contributes information, you are undoubtly deterring many others from contributing also.

There's no telling how many hundreds of potentially informative posters in the past three years that were simply dissuaded from posting because of all the disharmony in the Thailand section.

Thanks,

Jackson

Coma Boy
09-21-05, 17:04
With just one or two post a day they will not be able to get a flame war running.Oh yes they would!

Ljohnson
09-21-05, 23:38
I tangled with Domino a few times; and enjoyed it for the most part. At one point I even developed a kind of grudging respect for his intellect. The biggest "battle" he and I had was when I posted the picture of the two kids in Pattaya during Songkran, he lambasted me and virtually called me a child pornographer, and then I found an almost identical photo he had posted months earlier. It was at this point that I began to lose respect for him, because he became defensive, engaged in name calling, and was blatantly dishonest in his argumentation. Dishonest in ways he and I knew of, but which the rest of the board could not.

Likewise, he recently announced to the entire board that "LJohnson refuses to meet with me." The fact is, he and I had never, ever discussed meeting anywhere at anytime. He just made that one up out of whole cloth. I had neither the time nor the desire to counter such a disingenious accusation, so I just let it go. But I learned that Domino was not interested in serious debate but only wanted to brutalize others with no regard for any civility or honesty.

I give Domino credit for some helpful advice he gave me recently. I announced that I wanted to help a girl in Bangladesh and Domino, while making it clear he had nothing but disdain for me, provided some very good tips to help me in my attempt to improve the girl's chance of having a decent future. I appreciate his willingness to do that.

I always thought The Traveler took Domino's bait much too easily; even eagerly. And I told The Traveler that more than once. But it was always clear to me who the antagaonist was - so I voted for Domino.

Migrant One
09-21-05, 23:58
Hi Jackson,

First off, as always thanks for the great job, I know it's said many times, but it's deserved many times.

My first thought is who cares, I just skim what I don't like and each of the posters have given me occasion to laugh.

As I read/skim through the comments, I do admit there is at times a bit of a rush to read this valuable (for me) area. The wars do detract from the other posts.

As I look upon this site for amusement, and education, I think the fun I get from the wars vs the hassle of skimming is acceptable (for me).

My vote would be status quo, but seeing as how you have do deal with the editing, bandwith and administrative hassles, I will give my proxy powers to you (sorry).

migrant

Hi Migrant One,

When you allow a Serial Antangonist to infect a forum, even one who contributes information, you are undoubtly deterring many others from contributing also.

Thanks,

Jackson

Silly Puppy
09-22-05, 00:05
Because of them I stop coming to the Thai forum. But I do like SA :) He is a funny kid.

Gladiator
09-22-05, 01:10
Every adult forum on the net attracts its fair share of useless posters along with proper, well-meant mongers.

We can see a handful of the latter and many of the former simply by taking a quick look at those that have voted so far in the above poll: the rightly named 1ball, who hasn’t yet posted a single piece of relevant mongering information anywhere on Earth; the compulsive poster Comical Boy, who seems to be the Thai version of Nibu Raphael but with better spelling, etc.

The mob has swiftly pressed the execution button so that their preferred culprit is annihilated – even Alexander the Great himself has come out of the grave to choose his favourite victim!

But even in the hypothetical scenario that the mob were fair enough to pinpoint the true offender(s), I don’t think the punishment selected – being placed in a cage - would solve anything.

In any case, I’ll give my opinion about the mentioned suspects:

- Domino: his observations about other members may occasionally not have been politically correct, but it is undeniable that he is one of the key contributors thanks to the wealth of information and original insight that he’s posted throughout his monger career. I don’t see any benefit in caging him.

- The Traveler: everything has already been said about him so there is no need to repeat it. He would argue with a signpost and mongering-wise his contribution is null and void, not only due to its poor content but also to his lack of credibility. However, caging him wouldn’t work – the confinement he deserves is of a different nature.

- Freeler: I am not sure why anyone would want to cage Freeler, as far as I know he’s only got engaged in flame wars with The Traveler.

- Juice Spike: his biggest crime was pointing out that The Traveler had posted some photos that were in fact copied and pasted from a porno website, and giving some specific details to prove his accusations; since then he is stalked and harassed by The Traveler at every opportunity.

- Terry Terrier: I don’t think there is any case against Terry, apparently he and Domino aren’t precisely soul mates and often argue, but apart from that he looks like a sensible poster.

- Ljohnson: who is Ljohnson?

Hi Gladiator,

On the contrary, relinquishing a troublesome member to their own thread has proven very effective in reducing the discord they bring to a forum.

In addition, when you allow a Serial Antangonist to infect a forum, even one who contributes information, you are undoubtly deterring many others from contributing also.

Thanks,

Jackson

JP2U
09-22-05, 02:47
Like many, I found Dominos child-porn rants against Traveller had past the point of monotony long ago. However, as others noted, when sticking to the topics I found some of his contributions useful.

Why not do this Jackson. Instead of banishing someone for good, keep them in their own thread (or a general isolated thread for all transgressors) on a temporary basis, say for like 3 or 6 months for example. If they keep at it after that, you can then banish them for good.

Hi JP2U,

I'm not talking about banning anyone here, just limiting them to posting in their own thread so that others can avoid them.

Thanks,

Jackson

GoodEnough
09-22-05, 12:06
I think this is the first time I've read this thread in 6 months, so I am unfamiliar with what's been going on, and was really surprised to see myself named by Jackson! I have no time to read the back posts and to get caught up with the raging controversy, and I don't know any of the backgrounbd, so it would be impossible for me to express a point of view.

GE

Hi GE,

Relax, your not involved in this issue.

And thanks for your many contributions to the ISG Forum.

Jackson

Thumbs Up
09-22-05, 12:08
It's easy to see why Gladiator is sympathetic to Domino. His post below (#24) exhibits a good measure of the same vitriol that many of Domino's posts are (in)famous for. A quick review of his 2nd paragraph makes my point for me. It's the attack dog mentality manifested in that paragraph that is the root cause of the flame wars. Jackson's brief response to Gladiator was spot on.

Calvin Hobbs
09-22-05, 17:01
Jackson,

Why are you killing yourself?

LIFE IS TOO SHORT.

Fuckem all.

I/We greatly appreciate your efforts, but you are THE MAN.

Do what your gut says.

Live Life!

Keep up your great work.

Sxer
09-22-05, 17:56
I believe that 'empty vessels make the most noise'.
If I start reading any threads that get a bit antagonistic I just stop reading them and any other thread such a writer may post. If it really gets to me than I just block that member. For me it is simple, but I like a quiet life anyway.

Veterano
09-23-05, 00:33
I like the idea of a "cage" or special thread altho not necessarily for Domino

I suggest a cage in the Photo Section for the guys who post the gyn shots, close-ups of assholes, and worst of all, photos of their own dicks!

Those who get off on this, if there is anybody who does, will know where to look ~ and the rest of us can avoid

Suerte, Veterano

Nobbin
09-23-05, 03:36
Rather than banish someone to their own thread, I prefer the idea of restricting their posting to one or two per day if that is feasable. They then have a choice to use up that post by flaming or posting something more relevant. If they continue to flame/antagonise, we have fewer reports to ignore.
Nobbin

Daijek
09-23-05, 05:48
Though i do vote Domino, is there anyone feel for him? Guess he in thousand pain with hundred cuts on his heart, and every cut were acid soaked.

Reading all his punishment across global infront a monitor without a keyboard to respond. PITY..

Daijek

The Traveler
09-23-05, 08:46
i have been urged by a few members to at least post a comment in this thread even though i believe i should leave it to the other members to decide. therefore i won't vote.

all i can say is that i am sorry to have taken skinless/domino's bait at the first hand. i would have easily ignored any name calling or insults of any kind but being accused of being a **** was more than i was willing to bear. it's always easy to give good advice if not being involved but it's much harder if you are the target of constant attacks at that very very low level. self-defense should be allowed at any time.

i tried to have a serious discussion about that very serious topic at first, but domino avoided any exchange of arguments and never provided anything to prove his accusations. he just tried to assasin my character to make me go away by misusing terms like ****, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), children, kids and misinterpreting laws just to make a case.

surely a few of his pals supported him in his attempt and i really don't know who is worse, the insane who believes in his accusations (even though i have severe doubts that he ever really believed in them) or those who join in just for the fun of group bashing someone.

worst of all, this whole bs was nothing but a retaliation for an innocent joke about him and freeler. don't forget, it took him almost a month to find that picture with my warning and what a coincidence, he found it just after i posted that remark about their ongoing competition of posting the ugliest girls available (does anyone remember the pics of girls full of herpes sores in korat park ?)

he also threatened me several times, told me what a heavy guy he is, carrying knives with him, asked how to get rid of corpses, that he knows others who did time and that he will have me beaten up by hired folks to kick the shit out of me, will report me to police and much more crap but declined several offers to meet me and finally end that nonsense face to face.

i also kept silence several times for a few weeks but any time i started to post again he jumped on me without being provoked.

i also asked jackson to finally enforce his own forum rules and his mentioned "zero tolerance" to put an end to it which would include any misbehaviour by me as well if he felt i would violate any rules but he was either too busy or not interested. i guess due to that domino felt to have jackson's support and went on with that crap.

even though i have no sympathy left for skinless aka domino, i rather vote for giving him a last chance. some people mention that he had good info posted, i haven't seen any in the thai section for quite a while and his history of good posts (like the faq) can't make up for the damage he had caused, but he isn't the only one who is posting crap. i rather vote for having minimum standards/requirements on posts enforced.

maybe this survey shows him that his attitude isn't welcomed at the forum (if he cares at all) and that he should rather be one of the guys who help each other and share infos on how to get laid. we don't need constant nay-sayers who feel being better than the others. let's not forget, there will always be someone who is smarter, better looking, more rich ....

let's all live in peace without prejudices. the differences between us makes life interesting, how boring would the world be if we all would be same ?

Ljohnson
09-23-05, 08:48
Daijek -

I doubt that Domino is wallowing in pain. He is a big boy and surely is not surprised at the sentiments expressed here. We really do sometimes reap what we sow. And I doubt that this forum represents a large percentage of his universe. I'm sure he has a rich life outside this forum. I hope we all do or else we are truly pathetic.

No tears required for Domino. He'll be just fine.

Member #2001
09-23-05, 09:39
I for one have had the great pleasure of getting flamed by Domino one time and did nothing but wrote a short responce to it. I have in the past however fell into the Domino trap and since then I have learned to just ignore him or anyone that tries to antagonize me into a flame war. I try to use my better judgment on getting into a flame war with him. After all is that not what he wants? Is he the type of person that thrives on the attention he is getting here and in other threads? I think so, but only he can answer that question honesty.

I use to visit the Thia thread quite often, because I was interested in going there, but since I have noticed that was going on over there I have decieded not to visit as often as I use to. Also I since have not visited the Thai thread in sometime because it did seem a place for people to vent and flame about other memebers of the forum.

If Domino does get sent to his own pergotory heaven, I for one will return to viewing the Thailand thead to see what usefull information is available to me there, as that is my primary reason for going to various threads that I am interested in. See I like to travel (even though I have not done so in sometime, but it is due to some unforseeable situation), and enjoy getting information on what ever country I will be goiing to in the future, or to see what changes have taken place in the places I have been to. I also feel a bit sad that I have not been able to contribute as much usefull information as I would like to, but I sincerly hope too in the future. By the way I have a report I would like to put on the Ukraine thread from when I was there last. I am just waiting for the pictures to be developed and then I will post another detaled post of my experence there. Yes I know they have to be developed, but I am back in the stone age when it came to photographs.

Kudos to everyone that posts great detailed reports (with or without pics). I enjoy reading them as I hope others do also.

I think that others that come to this board like to do the same and get turned off by flame wars. So the more people continue with the topic at hand the better the forum and each particular thread will be. I hope everyone here will make an atempt to make a flame free post including me.

Firedick
09-23-05, 16:25
I think it's sad that it has come to this. But, clearly, something had to be done. When grown men behave as children they may have to be treated as such.

I will miss Dom, when he is posting travel info (not the photos of the skanks), but recently he has been (IMHO) experiencing temper tantrums and needed a "time out". So he's been sent to his room.

Sorry Dom, but I support Jacksons actions.

FD

Speed Touch
09-23-05, 20:17
well i never. for the first time in months i've actualy read some some pages on wsg - and there non-sex related. makes a change from norm. i like many others endured weeks and months of blood, sweat and tears due to the slanging matches between domino/skinless, the traveler, and the rest.

i'm sure we all have better things to do rather than read crap, or ever write crap. i'm so glad something is being done about this - i hope that the thai section is not shut down, and i believe it wont be - otherwise we'll all be saying "it was gonna happen some day, i told you so".

rather that a poll vote i'd rather see all of the lined up on beach road and told to show there best breakdance moves...whilst jackson films this for amusement of the board. and now i'm going out to get drunk.

speed touch

Cerberus
09-24-05, 18:27
Because of them I stop coming to the Thai forum. But I do like SA :) He is a funny kid.Jackson,

I didn't make a post with comments attached. I agree with the J. Tran for several reasons:

1) You are conducting this site excellently. You spent inordinate amounts of time reading, editing, etc. You made the comment that [sic] "I dont have the time for the BS." Too true. Hence, vote all to be banished.

2) However, on further reflection, I believe that I voted hastily. Perhaps a more equitable solution would be to ban the most serious offenders. The forum will clearly dictate to you who they are, and who is truly antagonistic. I suspect, that you feel that the membership of your forum and then yourself are the first to be considered in this order. However, the forum must come first. Sadly, "they" do have a huge amount of information and knowledge for the members. Your actions might have a posting of caution to the remainder of the crowd. (e.g TT, LJohnson, etc). I think that perhaps that they forgot the cardinal rule in forums everywhere on the Internet; "Don't feed the trolls!" I personally believe, that they probably got swept into the passion of the exchange of info and the involved perspectives.

3) I agree with your perspective in regard to this behavior. I have spent most of the better part of 20 years traveling and/or living throughout the Orient. I enjoy furthering my knowledge from the perspectives and feelings of other members of this forum. However, I have felt restricted in posting anything, which could even possibly start another "flaming" war.

I feel that once the poll is in, you will know exactly what to do. My thanks for listening to my pontification. Please continue this excellent site and your tireless efforts. Again, my sincere thanks to you, for what you have already done.

JuiceSpike
09-24-05, 21:32
It looks like Domino got the highest votes followed by "all of the above."

One thing that makes me wonder about this poll is that many "unknown" members, that is, people that have never posted in the Thai section came out of the woodwork to vote. Strange because either these people were just readers and maybe did not have an interest on the content but voted for the hell of it anyway.

Another strange thing is that many voters don't even have one post on the ISG. For example, 3 out 4 guys that voted for me (against me :D) have never posted one post according to a search done on them. Strange.

I did not do search on all voters to see who had even posted at least once on this site but I would suspect that many have not even posted once before.

Why is this important? I don't really know but it makes me wonder if any polls done on any subject would have a meaningful result or even a statistical importance to what members and administration are trying to find out if there are is no set criteria as to who gets to vote...

We serial posters in the Thai section (you know who you are) are equally responsible for letting things get out of control and for instigating fights either by choice or to defend a point.

I think that Domino maybe deserves some kind of punishment but since this is not my website I will reserve my opinion and leave the decision to Jackson.

BTW, I voted “all of the above” :)

juice

Horatio
09-24-05, 23:40
I didnt vote as I think the best thing to do is put the offensive posters on my ignore list. I agree with most of what Juice Spike said especially about people voting but not having any history as posters.

If I were to vote I would have voted against Domino, I dont remember him ever having anything useful to say but I have ignored his posts long before I put him on my ignore list. I think the Traveller deserves a considerable amount of blame for rising to the bait so often.

Jackson, good luck in finding a solution and keep up the good work. It is appreciated.

Asian Rain
09-25-05, 07:33
He says he will never post again....... so ? Am I the only one to notice he has also been caged in the PI ?
Jackson's moves to enforce the Zero Tolerance policy deserves our full support. The poll is certainly gravitating towards a clear "winner." I personally added Domino to my ignore list when he started thrashing the PI threads with his bizarre wisdom after his recent skank hunt in Manila and Davao. After observing Domino's "contributions" for over last 6+ months, I knew I wouldn't be missing much.

SUGGESTION TO JACKSON: Does the vBulletin software allow the addition of a "Ignore this Poster" button or link? The current process to add someone to the ignore list through User CP is a bit tedious. It might be useful if a button or link could be added to the posts, perhaps above the link to "Report this post to a moderator." The addition of this feature might cool down flame wars more quickly in the future.

The current process is not very proactive in that things have to get very bad before a Serial Antagonist is identified and banished. By then, the damage is done. By enabling a more efficient Ignore process, the responsibility (and work!) shifts back to members to bow out of useless/abusive debates.

Long live ISG - the great can be even better if we choose to make it so.

AR+

Terry Terrier
09-25-05, 09:40
Intrigued by Juice's analysis of the voting patterns, I decided to do a breakdown of how posters have voted so far:

Domino

34 senior members (32 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 8911.
16 regular members (7 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 103.
2 members with no posts.

The Traveler

2 senior members (both of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 292.
2 regular members (both of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 3.
1 member with no posts.

Freeler

1 regular member (who has not posted in the Thailand threads) with 3 posts.

Juice Spike

1 senior member (who has posted in the Thailand threads) with 82 posts.
3 members with no posts.

Terry Terrier

1 senior member (who has posted in the Thailand threads) with 51 posts.
1 member with no posts.

"All of the above"

12 senior members (7 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 2081.
12 regular members (5 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 79.
6 members with no posts.

"None of the above"

17 senior members (14 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 3244.
4 regular members (2 of whom have posted in the Thailand threads) with a combined post count of 52.
1 member with no posts.


From Terry Terrier (with nothing better to do on a Sunday morning!)

Freeler
09-26-05, 15:59
Terry,

I let your statistics sink in for a day and a half and I wonder: Why am I the only one here who gets 100% of votes from people who never:( posted on the Thai board AND are just regular:( members?
What have(n't) I done to deserve this:(?

Ljohnson,

The way things are now: You lost:D!

Coma Boy
09-26-05, 16:08
What have(n't) I done to deserve this?You need to get more antagonistic Freeler.

Anyway, what did you do to Voodoo-Man to receive his vote? I notice he has three posts, all in Peru. You been harrassing Peruvians again?

1Ball
09-26-05, 16:32
Freeler, I feel your pain.

Freeler
09-26-05, 17:41
Coma,

I dunno who the f*ck Voodoo-Man is. I never even visited the Peru pages, let alone post there. I never went to that country. I never fucked any of their women. I never said anything about the place. He probably just wants to be

Antagonistic...

I only knew the word from biology classes (the cute teacher with the big smile and yummy lips...): you need a triceps or your arm would be bent all the time.
Anybody want to cut of their triceps?

PS Check your pm

Ljohnson
09-27-05, 00:56
I feel like such a fucking loser. I'm like the Hollywood wannabe who says, "I can't even get arrested in this town." I must be so fucking boring.

C'mon guys. There's just a few hours left. Can't I get one measly fucking vote?

LJ (Loser Johnson)

P.S. Come to think of it, Domino always said I was a loser. (And I guess that makes him a winner.) His words come back to haunt him. HA! HA! HA!

1Ball
09-27-05, 02:35
Terry Terrier's list is interesting, though by now outdated.
It got me thinking however, and not to beat a dead horse, but another way to look at the numbers, which in the domino column, have dropped since a high in the low 60%, is that his own personal breakdown is 43.29%, and the "all of the above", a category into which he also falls, is second with 29.85%, for a combined total of 73.14%.
This means 3 out of 4 posters feel he is completely or partially the culprit. only 1 out of 4 feel he is not to blame.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Master Diver II
09-27-05, 02:45
Guys,

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed that 10 of the members who voted "all of the above", 2 who voted 'none of the above", and 3 who voted for Domino, have zero posts as at this time! Does that smell fishy to you or is it just me? If Freeler is worried about his solitary vote, what did you guys do to antagonise that lot?

LJ,

I'd vote for you if I still had one. Man, I'm sorry I cant oblige you:).



MD II

1Ball
09-27-05, 03:03
MD II, this from Jackson's original post

"Please remember that votes by new members (registering after today's date) will not be included in this poll's final vote tally."

it does seem strange, however, I have seen many reports which start with " I have finally been upgraded to regular member from viewing member, so I can finally post".

It might be a bunch of guys have been lurking for quite a while, and maybe still can't post, but can voice an opinion. Or maybe they just signed on, and are duplicates.

we will know soon enough

Master Diver II
09-27-05, 09:03
1Ball,

Actually, the other point I was also trying to make (my fault after I re-read the context) was that it seems strange that members with no reports whatsoever find themselves trying to consign a few senior members - who have made significant contributions to the forum - to a seperate thread. Perhaps they should think about putting some information of their own first (some of them have been members for a year or so). While I can see that some might have been intimidated by Domino, pray tell why they felt the need to feel safe from the others such that they voted 'All of the above'?! Frankly, it beggars belief.

Incidentally, how is Bali during Ramadan? I would have thought it wouldn't be too affected being primarily Hindu.

MD II

Daijek
09-27-05, 09:33
Hope i can move something to cheer you up.. since you re so boring.. Mr hollywood.

Daijek


I feel like such a fucking loser. I'm like the Hollywood wannabe who says, "I can't even get arrested in this town." I must be so fucking boring.

C'mon guys. There's just a few hours left. Can't I get one measly fucking vote?

LJ (Loser Johnson)

P.S. Come to think of it, Domino always said I was a loser. (And I guess that makes him a winner.) His words come back to haunt him. HA! HA! HA!

Coma Boy
09-28-05, 05:08
Members with no posts are doing nothing wrong, the purpose of this forum is to provide and share information.

Those who come to gather information are fine, the less people posting the better, especially considering the crap most of us post all the time.

Horatio
09-28-05, 22:45
What happens now that the poll is over?

Sainter
09-29-05, 05:15
I think the results of the poll speaks for itself. :)

1Ball
09-29-05, 14:40
I am sure we all agree the results speak for themselves.
BUT will, what should happen........................happen ?

Coma Boy
09-29-05, 17:53
i am sure we all agree the results speak for themselves.
but will, what should happen........................happen ?what, in your opinion, 1ball, do you think should happen?

try to include the words "lb", "cim", and "gang-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" in your answer.

1Ball
09-29-05, 18:26
what, in your opinion, 1ball, do you think should happen?

try to include the words "lb", "cim", and "gang-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" in your answer.

cb, i have to say, you are one of the funniest posters in this forum. as a reward, may i offer to you a gaggle of lb, who will take turn gang [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) you, and then will all stand around you, and cim.

enjoyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

:d

Firedick
09-30-05, 05:57
Man, I can just hear Rastaman !

Well, I'm off to the beauty salon then saloon.

Later guys.

FD

Freeler
09-30-05, 15:13
Jackson,

Now that the poll is over and regular members with hardly a post to their name voted for me in insignificant numbers, what is your verdict?

Regards,
"one vote" Freeler

Admin
10-02-05, 06:13
Greetings everyone,

Now that the poll has been concluded, I have some final observations:

1. It's apparent that I made the correct decision to limit Domino/Skinless to his own thread. It's also apparent, in reading some of his "contributions" that he has been abusing other forum members, wrecking havoc and generally destroying the Thailand section for quite some time. I apologize to everyone for failing to take action earlier. However, I am hopeful that in the future the new Serial Antagonist Policy will serve to identify and contain Serial Antagonists much sooner.

2. It's also apparent, given the statically insignificant number of Forum Members who voted to quarantine the other five members in the poll, that the Forum Members who voted for the last two options (Quarantine Everybody / Don't Quarantine Anyone) really didn't do what participating in the poll required, which was to actually read the Forum contributions made by all the poll subjects and then make an objective decision as to who was actually causing the problems.

In other words, I appears to me that these Forum Members simply voted for the generic solutions to "Quarantine them all on general principal" (guilt by association), OR "Never quarantine anyone ever" (the forum should be a free-for-all). Voting in a Serial Antagonist Poll requires more work than that.

3. I am dismayed in considering all the potentially valuable contributions that might have been made in the Thailand section by other Forum Members and/or potential Forum Members who, given the discord perpetrated by Domino over past two+ years, decided not to register a membership and/or participate in this section. We can only speculate as to the true extent of these losses, but we can hope that in the future these individuals may be persuaded to re-consider their previous reluctance to participate.

Thanks,

Jackson

Ljohnson
10-02-05, 21:32
Fellow Mongers:

Although I don't take any of this too seriously, I must say that I did take some offense at being included as a "potential suspect" in this infamous list of alleged "serial antagonists." Domino flaunted the rules of this forum over and over again and it seemed that he was completely immune from any repercussions. It was baffling to me. Nonetheless, justice delayed is not always justice denied. Jackson does an amazing service for all of us. He has acknowledged that some of us on the list might not deserve to be there. And I have to accept the consequences of choosing to not be intimidated by Domino and any other bullies. I'm a nice guy and I will tolerate a lot; but I have my limits and I am not a chump. So, I fought back and that earned me a spot on the infamous list. So be it.

So, all kidding aside, I am actually pleased that I received zero votes. I feel vindicated. We sometimes walk a fine line on this forum, as we exchange ideas and information, and also give each other shit when the occasion calls for it. There's nothing wrong with guys ribbing each other and engaging in irreverent horseplay; even of the cyber variety. But when it becomes mean spirited, antagonistic and disruptive, action must be taken.

Jackson, you are to be congratulated for your endless hours of service to us mongers of the world, and for your unlimited patience in dealing with us boys when we just can't seem to get along on this playground you have created for us. So, thank you, Jackson, and congratulations and a job superbly done.

LJohnson

Hi LJohnson,

It wasn't a list of potential Serial Antagonists, it was a list of members who had engaged in the overly-heated discussions surrounding the now-identified Serial Antangonist Domino.

The purpose of the poll was to provide the forum membership with the opportunity to tell me who the actual Serial Antagonist was, and to that end the process worked well.

Nevertheless, I apologize to you for any disaffection you may have felt by being listed in the poll.

Thanks,

Jackson

Tee It Up
10-03-05, 01:05
3. I am dismayed in considering all the potentially valuable contributions that might have been made in the Thailand section by other Forum Members and/or potential Forum Members who, given the discord perpetrated by Domino over past two+ years, decided not to register a membership and/or participate in this section. We can only speculate as to the true extent of these losses, but we can hope that in the future these individuals may be persuaded to re-consider their previous reluctance to participate.

Thanks,

JacksonJackson,

Now that this poll is over, may I suggest you start a new poll? Juniour seems to wreck havoc at any forum he enters. I for one would like to see him get the boot.

Mimonger
10-03-05, 15:46
Now that we have this business behinds us, anyone have an idea of a new poll?
Not to start a war with "which are the best girls?", but maybe which is a better place to moger, Pattaya or Bkk? Best hotels? Best way to travel? Best drinks? or how many times I'll wake up sleeping on a bar stool this trip???? M&M

Steen22
12-03-05, 10:02
Greetings everyone,

Domino/Skinless
The Traveler
Freeler
Juice Spike
Terry Terrier
LJohnson

In addition to your vote, I would also encourage you to post your comments.

Thanks,

JacksonSorry But I can not see any problem at all!

If any one dont like to read so JUMP over to next!

Best Regards Steen22

Terry Terrier
12-04-05, 01:50
Steen22,

Since you joined this forum more than two years ago, your attempts at writing pigeon english have improved immeasurably. You don't let english language and the issues discussed get in the way of your posts anywhere near as much as you used to (except in some of those posts directed at 1ball that you deleted from the photo thread a few weeks ago ;-)).

Steen22
12-11-05, 22:32
Steen22,

(except in some of those posts directed at 1ball that you deleted from the photo thread a few weeks ago ;-)).I dont like trobel at all (You like them?)

Best Regards

Ngp477
12-15-05, 02:45
Just ban the people you do not like. this is sad to read about on every board. maybe you, Jackson are not very patient, but you are posting this on the boards of every country. Chill out, or ban them all.

Tomtokmak
12-17-05, 01:39
Since I am very new here,

It would be really good if the above mentioned people would have their own corner and their crowd could follw them. I don't know if this would solve all this administrative problems?

As I said I am new and what I don't like I just skip, but its unfortunate and such a waste of place.