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Stoneman73
04-15-13, 15:26
I have visited Thailand twice now. Both times spending most of my time staying in Bangkok at the Livingstone Lodge and had a great time. I plan on staying there next trip to Thailand as well but not for the whole trip. I would like to visit other parts of the country but still stay in at a place that is as comfotable and offer the same services. Does any one know of any places that are like the Livingstone in other parts of Thailand.
Thanks for any info.
Western787
04-16-13, 19:20
I had a long conversation with an elderly lady a few months back. She was living in BKK with her husband in the early 1960s as part of the UN, or something. Her two kids were born in BKK. Anyway, she described to me how farang were treated then, and it was just unbelievable. White folks were something of a novelty. Today, the farang has such an image problem. Fat, tattooed drunks running around half naked, with obvious bar girls in tow, seem to be an all too common sight. It seems the past decade, or so, has seen a major influx of the "lowest common denominator" of the farang tourist. So, IMHO, anything we can do to try to reduce that stereotype is a good thing.You must mean like this image:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpg
Wolvenvacht
04-16-13, 19:23
You must mean like this image:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpgThat is a real "cheap Charlie"! Not willing to spend 20 baht on the songthaew.
Western787
04-16-13, 19:27
That is a real "cheap Charlie"! Not willing to spend 20 baht on the songthaew.LOL, here is the corresponding article back in 2010.
http://www.sinlung.com/2010/06/perversion-of-paradise-thousands-of.html
Paul Kausch
04-17-13, 03:23
LOL, here is the corresponding article back in 2010.
http://www.sinlung.com/2010/06/perversion-of-paradise-thousands-of.htmlHere's the first in a series of YouTube segments about Thai women searching for farang husbands. It's been on YouTube for some time so many of you may have already viewed it. If not, you may find it interesting, though the plot is as you would expect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCpKDAmKSs
Nobody is forcing these butt-ugly bar girls to go with the guys you described. They need each other. Do you think a thai man is going to build a house for a butt-ugly bar girl. LOL.Mai kow jai. What's your point?
Wolvenvacht
04-17-13, 16:23
Nobody is forcing these butt-ugly bar girls to go with the guys you described. They need each other. Do you think a thai man is going to build a house for a butt-ugly bar girl. LOL.A Thai man is probably not going to build a house for a beautiful bar girl either and I am quite sure he is willing to consider marrying an ugly daughter of a rich and hi-so family. In Thailand marriage is still very much a matter of economy and prestige. A rich Thai man can still take a mia noi or (if not so rich) visit one of the many Thai brothels.
You must mean like this image:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/16/article-1287193-0A0B1990000005DC-324_468x564.jpgI agree with the "elderly lady". Bangkok in the mid 60's was then, from what I read about today, an entirely different place. Yes, the bar girls were there and there were places to go that were crazy but it was a little lower key and not as "in your face". Sex tourists didn't exist, at least not in the open, but of course the Viet War was in full swing, and when the GI's got out of Viet an leave with money in their pocket it could get wild. I was a Sergeant in the US Air Force at the time and lived "on the economy" in military terms, IE:,"I had an apartment". Even in those days however, if you didn't have a lot of money, there was not much to do except Drink and FxxK, of which I did my share! But the way I was treated by the Thai people was wonderful and the people I met were fantastic. I spent some weekends at the Chairman of the Thai Senates home in Pattaya (nothing there at that time) , went to large high level political dinners, water skied with the Chief of the Bangkok Police and President of the Singha Brewery and on and on. I don't believe and of that could happen today-perhaps we have truly become "The Ugly American".
Comment on the photo: I saw similar things happened when I was there, but it would have been just playing around and not out in the bright light of day. IE:, pick up your GF and fooling around carry her for a bit with both laughing. Maybe that is what was going on in this picture, who knows, but it shouldn't have been on a main street in the middle of the day.
I agree with the "elderly lady". Bangkok in the mid 60's was then, from what I read about today, an entirely different place. Yes, the bar girls were there and there were places to go that were crazy but it was a little lower key and not as "in your face". Sex tourists didn't exist, at least not in the open, but of course the Viet War was in full swing, and when the GI's got out of Viet an leave with money in their pocket it could get wild. I was a Sergeant in the US Air Force at the time and lived "on the economy" in military terms, IE:,"I had an apartment". Even in those days however, if you didn't have a lot of money, there was not much to do except Drink and FxxK, of which I did my share! But the way I was treated by the Thai people was wonderful and the people I met were fantastic. I spent some weekends at the Chairman of the Thai Senates home in Pattaya (nothing there at that time) , went to large high level political dinners, water skied with the Chief of the Bangkok Police and President of the Singha Brewery and on and on. I don't believe and of that could happen today-perhaps we have truly become "The Ugly American".
Comment on the photo: I saw similar things happened when I was there, but it would have been just playing around and not out in the bright light of day. IE:, pick up your GF and fooling around carry her for a bit with both laughing. Maybe that is what was going on in this picture, who knows, but it shouldn't have been on a main street in the middle of the day.Thanks for the 50 year old update.
I bet you miss those days.
Thanks for the 50 year old update.
I bet you miss those days.Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.
Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.
Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.My apologies if I misinterpreted it as sarcasm.
My apologies if I misinterpreted it as sarcasm.No worries.
I probably should have written it differently.
Hold your horses big boy.
I was serious about the info from 50 years ago.
It was interesting reading.
Sorry you can't figure it out.I just typed a nice long reminiscing piece on BK 50 years ago. But for some reason it was kicked out. I saw that it was "auto saved". Does anybody have an idea on how to recover this "auto save". This is not the first time this has happened to me.
Mr Enternational
04-18-13, 19:17
Don't cast too many stones, Mr. DSM-IV 302. 89.
IMHO, you're lucky somebody didn't beat the sh*t out of you.Is he still lucky?
Is he still lucky?As far as not getting beat up for the skytrain incident? Yes, definitely! :D
As far as not getting beat up for the skytrain incident? Yes, definitely! :DHAHA.
Trust me, I am not the first guy to cop a feel on the Skytrain.
She could have moved away. Maybe she liked it?
But by the size, it could have been LB. In that case I did it a favor. HAHA.
Member #4414
04-20-13, 06:07
at the risk of inviting board wrath for submitting a query, has anyone else experienced the following?
like more than a few others here, after a couple of past very rare but completely unexpected no shows (ready for action mentally but the raised sceptre of love decided not to play ball for whatever reason) during payed encounters, it is not unusual for me now to down 50mg of whatever variation of sildenafil citrate when mongering, merely as an insurance policy when it comes to paying for short time encounters. although i appreciate that such an insurance policy is a habitual trap to fall into, at least my mind can be at rest prior to encounters that the little fella won't decide to go on industrial action at the wrong moment.
everything is ok with using it (downing a big glass of water and a paracetamol at the same time) but after boom boom with the last couple of girls, in the shower afterwards within minutes of finishing, a small bruise has appeared on my willy (worry not, you will be spared a macro photo for illustrative purposes) akin to a burst blood vessel under the surface.
nothing raised, just a darkish bruise colour just under the surface. my guess was that although i'm not majorly clued up on our anatomy, because the penis is a sponge form that fills / expands as we're aroused, perhaps the sildenafil citrate is simply working 'too' effectively for my actual needs and has caused this?
with the first one, my thought was that this was a bruise that was going to last for a week or more and would invite some curiosity from other girls, but the first one only lasted a day or so before almost vanishing. last night after another boom boom, a new one appeared (albeit far smaller) in another area, after the other had vanished. perhaps i should add that the condoms i'm using seem an ok fit for me, sometimes slightly short but width wise don't feel restrictive on me really, and although the last two girls have had nice tight pussys (yipee) nothing 'so' tight that it would cause such an issue (well, i assume so at least).
finally, nothing alarming as there is no pain, nothing raised, and i'm just curious if others have had this when using (or not using) sn? i'm considering perhaps giving the sn a rest, perhaps a good move as it has become a bit of a habit of purchasing a back up performer when in reality, once in the bedroom the little fella will walk onto the stage and bring the house down all on his own.
I will be in BKK from 5/7- 5/12. If you would like to meet up for drinks pm me. First time there but been mongering all over the world. Would love to swap stories.
I started this a few days ago, but just when I was finishing something ate it. So I'll try again.
First a little history about me: I lived in BKK for one year in the USAF, I was a SSgt and lived on the economy (shared an apartment with a buddy) , not too far from the Soldiers Monument. Wasn't really much of an apartment, one room up and one room down, no AC, etc, but did have a phone. I worked in the comm center at the Air Base and worked with a group of Tech Reps and was picked up and returned by their van, so never had to worry about transportation except for nights out.
I wasn't much of a monger in those days, but then you didn't have to be! There were so many women and so few men that you never had to worry about company for the night. Most of the WG's just wanted a place to sleep and shower, as result I never paid for pussy and there was always more than I could handle (I was a young guy then and could handle quite a bit). If any mongers memories go back far enough, this was during the Viet war. The US military in Viet got leave and would come to BKK with months of pay in their pocket and fresh from stomping through the mud in Vietnam and seeing some of the shit they saw, were just a bit crazy. Living there however, I knew my way around and the girls knew they were there one day and gone the next-they of course took them for all the $$$ they could-nothing easier than a drunk, crazy, horny GI! However, even with all the Military coming and going, there were still way too many girls!
I used to frequent a bar (forgive me if I don't remember the names or spelling correctly) called Hollywood. It had the typical girls dancing (with each other) with numbers on and if you saw one you liked the "boy" would shine his flashlight on her to come over. My buddy and I would go in and drink and listen to the music (not too bad as I remember) but never call over a girl. They knew us as locals and would come and sit until they were told to get back up and dance. In the back of this club there was a pool where during the day the WG's would sit around, splash in the pool, eat and nurse any bad heads that occurred during the previous night. This was not an area where any but a very few of the "locals" could go to, it was kind of a private area for the girls. Virtually nothing risque ever happened around that pool other than a few jokes and playing around-it was just a bunch of cute girls (some in swimsuits and others in street clothes) , and maybe 2 to 4 Americans sitting around and having some fun. Thinking of it now, it was like escaping from the craziness that could be only a few feet away or was going to happen when it got dark and the girls went back to "work".
After having a few cokes (we would sneak in our own liquor into the bar as we didn't have enough money to buy mixed drinks) , it would get late enough to head over to Therme's or Thai Yonuke where the girls would all go after the clubs closed. As I said before, there were so many girls that usually there wasn't even standing room so if you wanted a place to sit you got there a little early. Normally the GI's on leave didn't even know these places existed and there might a ratio of 50 to 1 girls to guys that included the overflow onto the sidewalk. There were a couple other places we used to go, one called the Red & Blue (where you could actually have a quiet beer) , A coffee shop close to the TV studio I don't remember the name of, but the hottest women you ever want to see came there (I never had one from there although the scenery was fantastic!).
When we were totally bored with the main street scene, (and believe it or not, all there really was to do on my limited funds was to fxxk and drink, and it could get boring) , we would go to the seedy bars on the waterfront, (Read OFF LIMITS) and hang out with the merchant seamen from all over the world (and of course there were girls there also) , only you did have to be a little careful, fights could, and did, break out over almost anything in the blink of an eye.
For a classy break and coffee, we would go the outside seating area of the Oriental Hotel. When there, it was a different world, there was no war, no WG's, no drunks, etc. I used to waterski fairly well and we (my buddy) and I would go to a place upriver called "Jeanie Waterski", and it was there where we met some of the very wealthy and influential people in BKK and Thailand (there are many more stories to this, but that's enough for now). If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.
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If I read the data correctly the thai baht was 25 to the US$ and 44 to the GBP in 1990. Not much different today.True, but the Thai baht prices then were half of what they were today. A ST was 500 baht in a gogo bar. Beer was 40-60 baht.
Member #4414
04-21-13, 05:48
True, but the Thai baht prices then were half of what they were today.
A ST was 500 baht in a gogo bar. Beer was 40-60 baht.Exactly. Various other factors need to be taken into account.
Yesterday I read on the forum (I forget where, and when it was posted) someone claiming that Thailand is now the most expensive places in Asia for payed Sex (local dive brothels, aside). On first reading, that didn't sound like it would be true, would perhaps it would be good to examine (perhaps a cross forum survey of total costs) if that is true or not, especially for men who choose the Beer Bar route with drink costs lady drinks, bar fines etc. Discounting big cities like Hong Kong, Singapore etc, maybe it is now? Last year in Indonesia, mongering was more friendly on my wallet. Granted, the situation / feel of things was different than in Thailand, and I suppose other factors also need to be taken into account when looking at areas / prices and value for money from service etc.
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Jackson may delete this I guess.
I have been avoiding #9 on my bucket (fuckit) list. It is to fuck a LB in ass. You have to admit some are attractive.
I don't want anything in my ass. But, I am thinking maybe it if she just sucked my cock, then I turned her over and fucked the ass.
But I do not want to see cock. Not at all.
If I don't see, feel, or suck cock, I think I can do without feeling fag.
I don't know.Hahahahaha!
What's #10 on your list? A sheep?
Maybe if you did one blindfolded you wouldn't feel like a beast.
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Member #4387
04-22-13, 00:57
Jackson may delete this I guess.
I have been avoiding #9 on my bucket (fuckit) list. It is to fuck a LB in ass. You have to admit some are attractive.
I don't want anything in my ass. But, I am thinking maybe it if she just sucked my cock, then I turned her over and fucked the ass.
But I do not want to see cock. Not at all.
If I don't see, feel, or suck cock, I think I can do without feeling fag.
I don't know.I was close once in BKK when I did a rookie mistake and brought back a LB to loom. A very beautiful thing but after making out a bit and I felt a dick I panicked and threw him / her out of the loom. I have to admit it also crossed my mind in an instant maby he / she could atleast BBBJ me but I guess as every cell in my body are very heterosexual, it was my body's own rescuemechanism taking control from my twisted mind.
I was close once in BKK when I did a rookie mistake and brought back a LB to loom. A very beautiful thing but after making out a bit and I felt a dick I panicked and threw him / her out of the loom. I have to admit it also crossed my mind in an instant maby he / she could atleast BBBJ me but I guess as every cell in my body are very heterosexual, it was my body's own rescuemechanism taking control from my twisted mind.I appreciate your honesty.
Thanks
Western787
04-22-13, 06:01
If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.Fantastic recollection of an earlier time, such reports among other things providing historical context and making excellent legacy reading for someone plumbing the treasure trove of information available on this site. They're also useful in trying to predict how certain less developed southeast asia regions will continue to evolve going forward, the only places left in fact that might offer anything approaching the 50 to 1 ratios you allude to, and something probably most of us fantasize about at some point. As for waterskiing, must have been a lot less pollution then, and perhaps less crocs or whatever hanging around.
Member #4414
04-22-13, 06:12
I don't know.Go ahead and do what pleasures you, is my suggestion. Go Greco-Roman, and put pleasure first.
Announcing Heterosexuality to others in advance, is not something they would have felt a need to do.
In those days, it is generally agreed that it was for purely practical reasons.
Women could get pregnant, which was not always desired. Young Boys and Mates, could not. Fun Fun Fun!
"Up to you" (in a Thai accent).
Exactly. Various other factors need to be taken into account.
Yesterday I read on the forum (I forget where, and when it was posted) someone claiming that Thailand is now the most expensive places in Asia for payed Sex (local dive brothels, aside). On first reading, that didn't sound like it would be true, would perhaps it would be good to examine (perhaps a cross forum survey of total costs) if that is true or not, especially for men who choose the Beer Bar route with drink costs lady drinks, bar fines etc. Discounting big cities like Hong Kong, Singapore etc, maybe it is now? Last year in Indonesia, mongering was more friendly on my wallet. Granted, the situation / feel of things was different than in Thailand, and I suppose other factors also need to be taken into account when looking at areas / prices and value for money from service etc.Malaysia & Macau, amongst other Asia destinations, such as those you mentioned, are generally more expensive than Thailand for the cost of mongering itself. They will also cost more for sex tourist related items like hotels, food, etc.
I'm not sure if even Cambodia or the Philippines is any cheaper than LOS. For example, I'd suggest a better deal on a hotel of the same quality can be found in Bangkok rather than Angeles City, PI.
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3754358886.html
Craigslist Ad from today.
I have used CL a couple of times over the years and never been disappointed.
She doesn't look too shabby.Can you give more detals?
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/w4m/3754358886.html
Craigslist Ad from today.
I have used CL a couple of times over the years and never been disappointed.
She doesn't look too shabby.Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder!
Tony Hoeprano
04-22-13, 12:21
Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder!She'll even service you in office toilets LOL
JackTheLad2
04-22-13, 12:50
If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.Hi.
Great story. Hope you continue with them.
If I get some interest from this I'll continue, if not, I enjoyed memory lane.Oops. I missed this on the first go-round. Please continue!
Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder!Not even with a stolen dick.
Office toilet? Puhhhleeezzee!
Can you give more detals?The Ad was removed I guess.
But she was very cute.
Http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/3758564213.html
Shabby is in the eye of the beholder!The photo is very dark and I cannot see her face.
But her tits look nice.
I would cum in her mouth. No problem.
Tony Hoeprano
04-22-13, 19:34
I'm pretty sure this is the guy who convinced Tony H to go looking for 8s and 9s in beer garden type places. LOL.No, it was Skogis!
Member #4387
04-22-13, 22:06
No, it was Skogis!Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.
Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.Hmm.. I can still recall the bad breath of the 30+ BG lizard who zoomed in on me (a poor BG n00b) on my first (and probably last) visit. On a positive note she offered BBFS / CIP, if creampieing is the BG norm maybe that's what makes Skogis biased in favor of the place :)
Since I did generate a bit of interest, I'll continue with more of BKK in the golden days.
When I first got to BKK the USAF was billeted in the Trocadero Hotel. I didn't actually stay there very long as it being a military hotel there were many things you could not do (I was almost busted for bringing (read sneaking) WG's into the hotel). Got them in OK, but was too drunk to attempt to get them back out again, so they got caught and so did I when they led the AP's to the room! Down the street and around the corner was the Oriental Hotel which sat on the river. You could catch a water taxi there to go many places in BKK via the klong's (read canals).
Water Skiing on the ChowPyha (spelled wrong of course) river. We used to go up river to what was called the Water what (a temple that sat on the river) and there catch a water taxi (5 baht) to cross the river. This was far enough up the river that sometimes you could see 3 or 4 feet into the water, not clear, but cleaner! Little Thai kids by the dozen used to swim in the river (lived in the houses on the stilts) and swim out to the big tub barges that went up and down the river connected by a single, very worn, very large, hawser. There would be 50 feet or 100 feet more between barges and these kids would swim out to the hawser that, due to the distance, hung in the water. As many as possible would hang on the hawser and ride with the barge up or down river. Some period of time later, you would see the same group riding another barge in the return direction. I always wondered how kids they lost, but never heard of any getting killed. I only mention it now because it amazed me then and still does! The place was called Jeanie Water Ski, and had floating docks (bundles of bamboo) , with tables set up on them and 14 foot ski boats tied up to them. I think they had about 4 to 6 boats with 75 HP Mercury motors on them. There were steps that went up to an open air veranda where you could watch the traffic on the river, sit under ceiling fans, get something to eat, drink a Singha, etc. When you wanted to ski, you called a "boy" and he would then bring you the ski's you wanted to use, they had many types and sizes, when you jumped in the water a clock keeper who sat on the veranda, timed you and your cost was 2 baht per minute, I think that was 10 cents. If you were a good skier, your hard skiing time in the water might be 5 or 10 minutes. Back to the dock, off the clock, and onto your cold Singha. Wasn't a bad way to spend the day, and you could spend 5 to 10 dollars for the whole day, including food, beer, skiing, etc.
It was at Jeanie Water Ski where my buddy and I met the Chairman of the Thai Senate, the Chief of the BKK police (he was an avid long distance water skier, not real good at slalom, but boy could he hang on!) , the President of the the Singha Brewery (he had a small Bertram boat) , VP of the BKK Bank, VP of Thai International Air, the Vice Air Marshall, and many others. These "friends" made for some very unusual and unique times in Thailand and some not very many people get to experience (no mongering involved however so they could be boring to serious mongers out there!). My inadvertent involvement with the boating death of the son of the owner of Jeanie's, opened up a new world and my buddy and I were suddenly included in many "Thai only", parties, dinners, fund raisers, etc, that we would have never seen had this terrible accident not happened.
I had a GF (not GFE) , who worked in a jewelry shop called Princess (I think) , and between WG's and some heavy drinking I would "date" her. Took quite a bit of time but finally did her and took her cherry. To this day, I kind of wish I hadn't, as there were "good girls" and WG's, and the "good girls" were saving the prize for their husband and I definitely wasn't that. Oh well, hard telling that to the little head when you are in the heat of the moment.
All my time in Thailand I never used a condom, AIDS didn't exist, but the Clap did and I had my one round with it. Fade to a massage parlor close to Therme's, upstairs. There was a WG there that was in Therme's many times when I was there and always wanted me to go the the massage with her (no money, just go with her). Great body, and cute, and some English-well eventually I said OK in a weak moment (it seems looking back that I had a lot of those) I went with her. Up to her room, not bad, clean, with a big bathtub. DFK and mutually undressed and into the bath. One deed in the tub, quite a bit of water splashing but tight pussy, great boobs, and a good fxxk, although fairly straight. Out of the tub, dried, and onto her massage table for a second round. Another good, but not exceptional fxxk. Her pussy was one of those well trained pussies that could contract, release, and squirm with you inside, this made for a very interesting fxxk as I remember. A weird thing, to this day, when she got out of the tub and dried both of us off, she put her bra back on, no panties, just her bra. I always wondered the why of that, but was too interested in the pussy part of it to worry much. Anyway, a few days later, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and pain were working together. Off to the clinic and a couple of shots and all was well. I told her I had caught the clap from her and she went to the clinic and was taken care of, but I never took her again. Never occurred to me to use a condom-duh!
I found that almost all of the WG's at that time were into just mish or doggie, and I don't really remember many who would CG or BJ or much else for that matter. But then, I was not that demanding and was just interested in the act, not the finesse of it or the embellishments. I think I have gotten more astute and attuned to what I like, expect, and want than I was in those younger, less jaded, days.
Enough for now-I'll continue with a few more details in the next few days. Mrclen
Western787
04-22-13, 23:19
Go ahead and do what pleasures you, is my suggestion. Go Greco-Roman, and put pleasure first.Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIV prevelance is actually (along with IV drug users) very very high with this group, and since Luvpuss just posted on the Burma site about his concerns about alleged high HIV rates in Myamar, I would think he would at least have 2nd thoughts
Member #4414
04-23-13, 01:10
Malaysia & Macau, amongst other Asia destinations, such as those you mentioned, are generally more expensive than Thailand for the cost of mongering itself. They will also cost more for sex tourist related items like hotels, food, etc.I can't speak for Macau, but a couple of short time Ladies in Malaysia last year ended up around the same price as my usual expenditure for that here in LOS. Having said at, I did go for fairly cheap and cheerfull options in Penang though which were satisfying enough but there was much certainly better out there if one was willing to pay more, I hear. Going by the Malaysian thread, although they do occasionaly go the cheap cheerfull route, more of them seem to go the higher quality establishments and yeah then the prices just keep building. Food wise, Malaysia seemed to be around similar prices to Thailand on my last visit. At one time the country was seen as Thailand's expensive neighbour, but I would say things have since evened out now when it comes to some things.
Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIVTrue, and something of him to take into account I guess.
But I get the impression his main concern was how it 'looked' to everyone else.
Aside from the obvious fact that they are not women, there's an equally important reason: HIV prevelance is actually (along with IV drug users) very very high with this group, and since Luvpuss just posted on the Burma site about his concerns about alleged high HIV rates in Myamar, I would think he would at least have 2nd thoughtsI think Luvpuss is just yanking our chains.
Let's hear what the first 8 items on his imaginary list are and forget he ever mentioned "love potion #9".
"On the streets of Kamathipura, it's no challenge for Aronson [Frontline Producer] to find sex workers to talk with. In a small gathering she asks them frankly about the core issues of their trade. Economics and health. The women get the equivalent of US$1. 50 for sex, $2 on a good night, less than a dollar on a bad night. To have sex without a condom, men will often pay more or, after a few visits, tell the women they love them. The women in the group laugh a bit about the men's proclamations of love, but there's a tragic fact behind their laughter: more than half of the sex workers here are HIV positive"
Raney Aronson,"India. The Sex Workers," PBS's Frontline, June 2004.
http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772
Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.I fully agree. There are some past their selling date, with some still nicely shaped, and some quite decent, together with some who do not have anything to lose in a comparison with average bar / gogo's (not the type fully made up to cater at the Japanese). Surely they all come cheaper than in another joints.
The customer range is indeed quite "over retirement age", but, hey, we are all going to be there, one day.
I do prefer a girl in her 30, often more articulate in English too, to a young chick worth a parade and pictures, but not much articulate in bed activities. The young ones tend to have more customer rotations so tend to be also more time concerned. And rushed. The others are aware they have a lower scoring rate, so please the customer for repeats.
The ratio at BG is generally 'buyer market': the wise ladies know this and invest more in the customers who pick them.
Tony Hoeprano
04-23-13, 10:18
Hey hey take a break guys. I said on occations a 8 to 9 girl could be found in BG not that it is crowded by such quality. But the quality isn't so bad as some people claim either. It is far better than the CL girl in general, hehe, maby not boobwice.LOL. Just bustin' balls. I couldn't resist. One day I'll find a hottie there and report back
LOL. Just bustin' balls. I couldn't resist. One day I'll find a hottie there and report backThat is what Beergarden is there for. The more beers the prettier they get. But don't do LT or you might be in for a surprise.
That is what Beergarden is there for. The more beers the prettier they get. But don't do LT or you might be in for a surprise.Friend of mine got a 30yo, nice, for LT and happy he was of her services and attidude. He overpaid a but more (3k) but did not have to have many drinks or BF around to find the bed mate. So at the end the costs ar not much different. Unless one is looking for a 30' job in a ST room for 1000
Since I did generate a bit of interest, I'll continue with more of BKK in the golden days.Enough for now-I'll continue with a few more details in the next few days. MrclenVery nice to hear about the old days. Please continue.
For his vivid portrait of what Thailand was like "back in the day." Well written and evocative.
Thanks for taking the time to post.
Bunky
90 day reporting in for Thai Retirement Visa, the A-O Visa, if you live in BKK.
How do any of you living in BKK do it? Do you travel to boarder city?
Mr Enternational
04-28-13, 19:39
90 day reporting in for Thai Retirement Visa, the A-O Visa, if you live in BKK.
How do any of you living in BKK do it? Do you travel to boarder city?People on retirement visas do not need to make a border run. They just report to the immigration office. It's people who are on tourist visas who have to leave the country and come back in. They could also go to the immigration office for an extention. Either way will take all day. I'm never in Thailand the full 30 days of my tourist visa so it is not a concern for me.
Mr Enternational
04-28-13, 22:02
While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?
A tourist visa through a Thai consulate will give you 60 days with the ability to extend it another 30 days by going to an Immigration office (and paying a fee, I think 1900bt). Cost of visa via a consulate is $40 for the 60 day tourist visa. Some consulates will allow you to get multiple tourist visas.
If you roll up to immigration upon arrival by air and are from one of 55 countries or so you'll get a 30 day visa. 15 days if at a border crossing.
While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?
While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?Here is a link that may help explain things. http://www.thaiconsulatechicago.org/pages-visa-types-purpose-of-visit-fee-eng.html
You can do it by mail or go to the consulate and get one. I called the one in Chicago. I'm thinking about just going with the retirement visa.
People on retirement visas do not need to make a border run. They just report to the immigration office. It's people who are on tourist visas who have to leave the country and come back in. They could also go to the immigration office for an extention. Either way will take all day. I'm never in Thailand the full 30 days of my tourist visa so it is not a concern for me.I guess I asked the wrong question.
I know what you said and it's pretty easy if you are near an immigration office.
Is there an immigration office in BKK?
LittleBigMan
04-29-13, 02:22
While we are on the subject, reading around the internet I see people always mentioning a 60 day tourist visa. In all of my days of entering Thailand 30 has always been written in the space for the alloted stay. What am I missing here?In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?
In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?Your handle is one of only 3 or 4 books I've read twice.
So Chon Buri and Pattaya have an immigration, boy you'd think BKK would too.
Crazy4Thai
04-29-13, 06:04
Your handle is one of only 3 or 4 books I've read twice.
So Chon Buri and Pattaya have an immigration, boy you'd think BKK would too.LOL. Maybe you should read his reply twice too since he told that there are Said offices in BKK. You might want to visit the thaivisa. Com site for every little detail that you could imagine about visas. One thing that stands out after you've been here awhile is that the requirements vary from office to office no matter how the regulations are written, so be prepared and also be flexible and roll with it.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883
In case anyone didn't have anything else to worry about!
If you guys want to get together let me know.
Member #4387
05-01-13, 13:01
If you guys want to get together let me know.Would be nice but according to my latest FR my GF is freaking flying into to BKK tomorrow early morning (I guess taking off right about now). How sick is that. Well well well. Good luck though!
Would be nice but according to my latest FR my GF is freaking flying into to BKK tomorrow early morning (I guess taking off right about now). How sick is that. Well well well. Good luck though!I guess there will be no report on BASH this time.
Member #4387
05-01-13, 13:33
I guess there will be no report on BASH this time.Nope you have to send someone else.
Nope you have to send someone else.I will check it out my self next month.
well, i guess i'll finish this up with what i remember from the old days. please forgive me if this is a bit disjointed as i am putting together what i remember.
as i had said before, i was in the usaf and stationed at the don muang airport. i lived very close to the soldiers monument in a very small apartment with a buddy. on the small amount of $$ we made in the military, sharing was the only way you could afford to have an apartment. now, if you wanted to, you could live in the military hotel, the trocadero, in bkk. but, wanting more freedom and play time, the apartment worked!
flew into bkk on a chartered jet with an exciting stop in vietnam, (think power dive to the runway, and the military people getting off in vietnam almost being thrown off the plane!) , wasn't on the ground in vietnam more than was absolutely necessary.
billeted (military word) , in the hotel until i hooked up with ken and we found an apartment we could afford. rented it from a young woman who worked at the airbase at the airport. she ended up being a good friend and we had a lot of good times with her-never any fxxdking but alot of just fun. around the corner from the hotel a young women ran a teak store-you know, bowls, carvings, etc. used to spend time there just talking with her as she had a great personality. there was antique shop close by that had stacks of real tiger skins along with ivory carvings, etc. has to be all gone now!
for the first month or two in bkk, and my not knowing very much (young and dumb) , did some sightseeing, temple visiting, and general running around. after getting into the apartment, things began to improve and my horizon's broadened. as my roommate and i usually worked different shifts, we would usually only overlap on days off and those were our "run them" days. i can remember several times when i would get in, intending to get some sleep because of the shift i was on, and ken would show up with a birthday present, i had several quite nice birthday presents this way! what can you say when a cute young thai girl wants to share your bed and all you have to do is lift the cover for her climb in, naked and after her shower, of course! how many of you can say that you didn't even have to get out of bed to get fresh pussy?
worked with the "tech reps" on the base and went out drinking (learned to drink chivas with them) , but didn't have the funds they had so couldn't hang with them too much. i remember three of them sharing a house and it was running women and booze 24/7! another one of the reps had an apartment in the "kings house", top floor, like a penthouse, huge, two story windows overlooking bkk. however, he didn't like to take home wg's as he couldn't get rid of them and many times would have to have them physically removed. a couple of the reps went every week to the "gold" shops. as i remember, they were all red inside with gold rings, chains, etc, all inside. they would buy, each week, links to the chains they wore on their neck. you could buy a 5 baht link or 50 baht link and up or down from there. the reps made quite good $$$ and remembering the size of gold chain they had and the number of links (oh, you could also trade in a long small link chain for a short, larger link chain so you keep buying longer and bigger gold) , i wonder what some of those chains would be worth today?
aside: i had a couple of "friends" that got into the drug scene fairly heavily, as anything you might want was very easily available. i never ventured down that path as in my wanderings up and down alleys i probably shouldn't have been in, i saw thai's (or something) smoking from rusty cans with rubber hose attached and rats chewing on their bloody feet-ewuee! if that doesn't put you off your feed, nothing will!
somewhat bored with drinking and fxxking almost every night, ken and i heard of this place where you could water ski, (see previous post). started to do some water skiing and found that the place was frequented by many upper class thai's. after a period of time we became accepted as part of their circle. this was how we (ken and i) , would go to pattaya to the chairman of the senates homes, and in his mercedes, dinners at very upscale thai homes, political dinners, etc, etc. during this time i was involved in a boating accident the killed the son of the water ski establishment. as we were directly involved and present when he was killed (accident). we were in a small boat owned by another thai water ski friend, and on the way to one of his restaurants to pick up some especially made dishes to bring back to jeanie's. passing under a bridge over one of the klongs, a pipe had broken loose and was hanging down. as we moving at a high rate of speed, you can imagine the results when it hit him in the head. enough on that episode, but we then had to be involved in the funeral, wake, etc, that went on for several days.
not to belabor any points, but the "good" girl i dated while there had a bullet wound in her lower abdomen and her brother was paralyzed from the waist down from bullet wounds. i asked, but never got it explained as to how it happened. i do remember that life seemed very cheap and supposedly if you wanted someone taken care of, the starting price was 5 us dollars.
when out and about, i either walked or took a taxi. normally there would be several taxi's lined up at key locations. just shout out where you want to go and how much you were willing to pay and after a bit of negotiation, off you would go. also i remember that you held your fare in your hand, and if he had an accident you were supposed to throw your money on the seat and take off running, but don't go in same direction as the taxi driver, because he is running also. supposedly (and i never found out if it was true) , because you had paid the driver to bring you there, you were responsible for the accident. but not paying for the taxi was an even bigger no no.
food in bkk. i don't remember eating much thai food that i can remember the names of, but always the soups were great and cheap. something stir fried with peanuts and served on the streets in a banana leaf was great-again very cheap. sweet iced coffee on the streets, served in a plastic bag with a straw, i have never been able to duplicate it. used to get a dish of something we called cowpod, basically fried rice with mystery meat and an egg on top, cheap and good. on the side of the road to pattaya, used to stop and pick up a length of bamboo that was hung over an fire (charcoal?) and inside was a mixture of sticky rice, coconut milk, and, but i remember it being very good! in those days in bkk, and probably still, you could get any type of ethnic variety food you might want. for a "real" sub, just go to the ""trolley" (owned by some person form san francisco) and was supposed to look like a sf trolley car, had a place for wonderful burgers, was told they were water buffalo burgers, but hell, they tasted great! the best french onion soup i have ever had was in bkk, the cheese covered toast on top never got soggy and was chrisp until the end. there were several places for steaks (don't really know what the meat was) , good italian and many many others. having eaten in several of the best restaurants in the world since then, i can say that the food in bkk was among the best i have ever had (of course being drunk and hungry may have clouded my judgements a bit). i remember restaurants i never went in, all white tile where the leftover food seemed to thrown on the floor, and if you needed to spit, just do it on the floor. when they cleaned the place, they had a large steam hose and hosed whole place down top to bottom and the garbage ended up in the street. i remember the toasted squid the thai's used to snack on! i took public transportation occasionally when i was really broke, and the smell of those squid would knock you down! whew!
girls in bkk. this will be the shortest piece of this narrative as every thai mongers knows the girls. they were there by the hundreds, never paid for pussy, there was just too much of it going around not used! much of the time they just wanted a clean bed, a good nights sleep, and a good shower. for that you were seen to be a king, and you had all the pussy a man could want. as they say, most of them look the same upside down! i don't remember ever getting a bj, but do remember some very good sex.
that's all!
Food in BKK. I don't remember eating much Thai food that I can remember the names of, but always the soups were great and cheap. Something stir fried with peanuts and served on the streets in a banana leaf was great-again very cheap. Sweet iced coffee on the streets, served in a plastic bag with a straw, I have never been able to duplicate it. Used to get a dish of something we called CowPod, basically fried rice with mystery meat and an egg on top, cheap and good. On the side of the road to Pattaya, used to stop and pick up a length of Bamboo that was hung over an fire (charcoal?) and inside was a mixture of sticky rice, coconut milk, and, but I remember it being very good! In those days in BKK, and probably still, you could get any type of ethnic variety food you might want. For a "real" sub, just go to the ""Trolley" (owned by some person form San Francisco) and was supposed to look like a SF trolley car, had a place for wonderful burgers, was told they were Water Buffalo burgers, but hell, they tasted great! The best French Onion soup I have ever had was in BKK, the cheese covered toast on top never got soggy and was chrisp until the end. There were several places for steaks (don't really know what the meat was) , good Italian and many many others. Having eaten in several of the best restaurants in the world since then, I can say that the food in BKK was among the best I have ever had (of course being drunk and hungry may have clouded my judgements a bit). I remember restaurants I never went in, all white tile where the leftover food seemed to thrown on the floor, and if you needed to spit, just do it on the floor. When they cleaned the place, they had a large steam hose and hosed whole place down top to bottom and the garbage ended up in the street. I remember the toasted squid the Thai's used to snack on! I took public transportation occasionally when I was really broke, and the smell of those squid would knock you down! Whew!
Girls in BKK. This will be the shortest piece of this narrative as every Thai mongers knows the girls. They were there by the hundreds, never paid for pussy, there was just too much of it going around not used! Much of the time they just wanted a clean bed, a good nights sleep, and a good shower. For that you were seen to be a king, and you had all the pussy a man could want. As they say, most of them look the same upside down! I don't remember ever getting a BJ, but do remember some very good sex.
That's all!Mmm. Yes. Khao Pad (insert meat here) kop khai. Literally fried rice with egg. The rice and bamboo thing is called khao laarm and is one of my very favorite snacks, especially if you can get it while it's still warm. I'm drooling now, just thinking about it.
You're so correct about the international food quality in BKK. It's often every bit as good as what you can find in the "originating" country. Unfortunately, with inflation and the weakness of the dollar, many of these places are just as expensive as the home country, too.
Thanks so much for your post and sharing your memories. The modernization of BKK has brought about many great things. But much has been lost, too.
Paul Kausch
05-05-13, 04:37
You're so correct about the international food quality in BKK. It's often every bit as good as what you can find in the "originating" country. Unfortunately, with inflation and the weakness of the dollar, many of these places are just as expensive as the home country, too.In December I had dinner at Zuma in Bangkok. In January I had dinner at Zuma in Miami. Dinner for two at Zuma in Bangkok cost one third as much as a comparable dinner at Zuma in Miami. I had several other dinning experiences in Bangkok that were less than half as expensive as a comparable dinner in a fine restaurant in a major city in the United States.
Well, I guess I'll finish this up with what I remember from the old days. Please forgive me if this is a bit disjointed as I am putting together what I remember.
That's all!Very nice to read all this. A nice intermission and wouldn't mind reading other similar old experiences from others. Maybe the admin should open a "BKK: the way it used to be" or "BKK, once upon a time". These Asian destinations, maybe Vietnam would have this too, hit by the early westerners in the 50's through the '80's, had a lot of stories to tell to modern punters.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to read my rambling narratives of BKK and Thailand in general. While my experiences my not reflect those of others, I'm sure there are many overlaps and people who had similar experiences. I hope that the readers got as much pleasure out of reading them as I did trying to remember, as there were times it was a bit foggy. I don't know when and if I will ever get back to Thailand, but I still have hopes!
The one thing that could require a Thailand trip is that I require a luggage manufacturer for a special project and I hear that Thailand is a good source. So if any of the readers know of a quality luggage manufacturer in Thailand I would appreciate the information.
My travels these days are to China. 4 to 5 times each year, and Europe once or twice per year. I have not written anything on Europe in the forum, but have contributed to the China forum.
Play Safe,
MrClen
Thanks to everyone who bothered to read my rambling narratives of BKK and Thailand in general. Play Safe,MrClenMaybe at that time you did not even feel you were atnicipating the punter generation of the last two decades. There was no internet, no cell phones. So all was basic, super amateur (as opposite to have ISG at hands etc, making people more "aware and sort of professional"). No low cost flights, no mass tourism.
In relationship to retirement Visa you will need a 60 day visa to apply for a Retirement Visa. This original Visa (60 days) in your passport is a main frame of applying for a retirement each year as you renew especially if it is in Pattaya Immigration. Every Provincal office usually required one or two different items.
Reporting every 90 days in Chon Buri, usually requires, front page of your passport, copy of your resident or hotel, apartment where you are staying, a copy of your departure card TM6, copy of entry stamp. No money is required just you time. The date provided for your next report you have 7 days before and 7 days after the stamp date after that you are fined for each day to the max of 2, 000 baht.
TCONOR, There are offices in BKK, it is by the way the capital! Do some Google?Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.
Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)!
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18088680-settle-down-no-sex-superbug-in-the-us-despite-reports?lite
Paul Kausch
05-07-13, 01:26
Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.
I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)!Does anyone expect PP to actually know what he's talking about?
Paul Kausch
05-07-13, 01:37
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18088680-settle-down-no-sex-superbug-in-the-us-despite-reports?liteThe following comes from a New Yorker Magazine article published in October of 2012.
"Natural selection has given rise to strains of the bacterium that are resistant, in varying degrees, to some or all of the treatments applied to them—sulfa drugs, penicillin, tetracyclines, fluoroquinolones, and macrolides. Now only one class of drugs, called cephalosporins—cefixime, a tablet, and ceftriaxone, administered by injection—is known to reliably treat it, and for several years resistance to cefixime has been rising. (In the lab, resistance is measured by testing how susceptible the microbe is to various concentrations of a drug.) Between 2000 and 2010, the number of cases of decreased cefixime susceptibility in California and Hawaii rose from zero per cent to more than four per cent and seven per cent, respectively, probably as a result of traffic from Asia, where cefixime resistance is more widespread. Five per cent is cause for concern; in August, the C. D. C. Recommended phasing out cefixime nationwide and, instead, treating gonorrhea with a combination of ceftriaxone and either azithromycin or doxycycline. According to a recent British report, last year eleven per cent of isolates of the microbe showed reduced susceptibility to cefixime; among gay men, the figure is seventeen per cent."
The first 16 words in this quote sum it all up. The bacteria are constantly evolving, prompting changes in the antibiotics used to treat them. Notice in August of 2012 the CDC recommended a new treatment protocol. The scary infections that are the ones you can contract during a stay in a USA hospital. Some of these are resistant to all know antibiotics.
I am not advocating unprotected sex. I am just providing some relevant information on the topic.
The following comes from a New Yorker Magazine article published in October of 2012.
The first 16 words in this quote sum it all up. The bacteria are constantly evolving, prompting changes in the antibiotics used to treat them. Notice in August of 2012 the CDC recommended a new treatment protocol. The scary infections that are the ones you can contract during a stay in a USA hospital. Some of these are resistant to all know antibiotics.
I am not advocating unprotected sex. I am just providing some relevant information on the topic.That means that having unprotected sex in a hospital is dangerous because of the bacteria in the hospital. LOL
LittleBigMan
05-07-13, 10:54
Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension).
Better to spend up to 180 days a year there, then go to some other countries the other 185 days & pay no income tax.
Asia has plenty of other fine destinations. Besides doing the Same Same all the time in Siam gets boring.Not sure what you are referring to? But I've lived here for a number of years and never have paid any
Income Tax!
I knoe w of no Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)!This should get you boys started on the subject:
http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php
Let me know what you know after reading that.
This should get you boys started on the subject:
http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php
Let me know what you know after reading that.It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.
This should get you boys started on the subject:
http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php
Let me know what you know after reading that.According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.
It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.Here's an interesting take:
http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.
Paul Kausch
05-08-13, 04:21
According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.I suppose this is a legal question, but I understand you are saying one can show sufficient income to qualify for a retirement visa, draw money from a US bank account (or British or Australian, etc.) to live on, and not be liable for Thai income tax. I'm not surprised as I've never heard of anyone on a retirement visa in Thailand paying Thai income tax. Nor have I ever read about this issue on websites pertaining to retirement in Thailand. And I have friends who are retired in Ecuador, Panama and Costa Rica who pay no income tax in those countries.
Crazy4Thai
05-08-13, 07:11
Here's an interesting take:
http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.The interesting element in this topic that is completely missing is any interest from the Immigration Department about helping Thailand to collect said taxes. Just today I renewed my retirement visa for the 5th time. Yes, I have to prove financial solvency but there is no mechanism to alert the tax folks. Considering the list of other requirements I doubt that this is merely oversight on their part. However my bank takes out tax from my interest every quarter and I think that's the end of that topic.
LittleBigMan
05-08-13, 12:01
That someone can cite all the legal stuff they want as to application here in Thailand like many of you
And I know many Expats and not one I know pays any Income Tax here unless you are operating a
Business.
LBM
NicFrenchy
05-08-13, 13:36
I know many Expats and not one I know pays any Income Tax here unless you are operating a
Business.Sure they do, it's impossible to get a work permit in Thailand without every year bringing the Proof you paid your income taxes. My guess is all your Farang Friends (like me also) have negotiated a salary net of taxes. It does not mean that the taxes are not being paid, it's just that the company pays them for me.
Unless all your friends work illegally with no work permit.
According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.
LittleBigMan
05-09-13, 01:59
Sure they do, it's impossible to get a work permit in Thailand without every year bringing the Proof you paid your income taxes. My guess is all your Farang Friends (like me also) have negotiated a salary net of taxes. It does not mean that the taxes are not being paid, it's just that the company pays them for me.
Unless all your friends work illegally with no work permit.Gee, am I privelege that the Nic has come out of the woodwork to answer/
You are correct. I was generalising too much? In a business sure? A person needing a work permit working here sure?
But of course I might be wrong again the topic started regarding "Pensions" and taxations in this particular case the Expats that I know that are retired here and getting a pension I don't know of one that pays a Tax in Thailand required or not. Yes I do pay taxes on my investments income, Interest Income, in the USA as does many who reside on paper in their own country. But In Thailand, I don't pay a single baht except V. A. T, correction again, I do pay a little property tax on my rentals each year.
LBM
Linkwray666
05-09-13, 22:28
For $4400 I can have 16-20 1 hour shots right here with choice of women from over 50 countries. That also means I can go for it when needed, noneed to starve for a year and over indulge at buffet.
I am begining to feel that Costa Rica is much better for folks from North America and that it ain't worth 4-5 k $.Until someone can show me another place I can get 2 hours PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, and MSOG with a cute girl for US$78 (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry) , or 90 minutes PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, toys, and MSOG with two bisexual girls for US$122-132 (Devil's Den / Eden) or even a simple one hour oily massage with HE from a lady under 40 years old for $30 or less (anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya) Thailand is the country to beat IMO.
How much would any of these things cost in Costa Rica? Or would they be available at all?
At home I spend $100 a week on average just getting a crummy massage with a handjob from a Chinese MILF or sometimes GILF- this comes out to $5200 a year if I never splurge on extras like CBJ or full service.
I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, my room was around $200, my airfare from the US was $930, just over $3600 total. I plan to have more than 52 orgasms (the number I have in a year for $5200 at home) in that 8 days with nearly as many women, and all of them will be younger, cuter and give better service than I could ever hope to find in for anywhere near the price.
Two hours with a cute 25 year old including MSOG, Anal, Rimming, BBBJ etc. Would cost a minimum of $400 where I live and probably anywhere in the US, Canada, or Europe. And a two girl lesbian PSE orgy ala Eden Club would be around $800 for 90 minutes here. This makes a $3600 week in Thailand look like a real bargain.
LittleBigMan
05-10-13, 15:29
Until someone can show me another place I can get 2 hours PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, and MSOG with a cute girl for US$78 (Tulip, Mango, Snow White, Cherry) , or 90 minutes PSE A level service, BBBJ, rimming, toys, and MSOG with two bisexual girls for US$122-132 (Devil's Den / Eden) or even a simple one hour oily massage with HE from a lady under 40 years old for $30 or less (anywhere in Bangkok or Pattaya) Thailand is the country to beat IMO.
How much would any of these things cost in Costa Rica? Or would they be available at all?
At home I spend $100 a week on average just getting a crummy massage with a handjob from a Chinese MILF or sometimes GILF- this comes out to $5200 a year if I never splurge on extras like CBJ or full service.
I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, my room was around $200, my airfare from the US was $930, just over $3600 total. I plan to have more than 52 orgasms (the number I have in a year for $5200 at home) in that 8 days with nearly as many women, and all of them will be younger, cuter and give better service than I could ever hope to find in for anywhere near the price.
Two hours with a cute 25 year old including MSOG, Anal, Rimming, BBBJ etc. Would cost a minimum of $400 where I live and probably anywhere in the US, Canada, or Europe. And a two girl lesbian PSE orgy ala Eden Club would be around $800 for 90 minutes here. This makes a $3600 week in Thailand look like a real bargain.No responses? I guess the guy pretty much made his point!
Well done!
LBM
Mr Enternational
05-10-13, 17:10
I will be in Bangkok on Tuesday and have budgeted $2500 for an 8 day stay, I plan to have more than 52 orgasms in that 8 daysSomebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.
No responses? I guess the guy pretty much made his point!
Well done!
LBMWhile the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something.
The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from.
I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room. I have mental images that are not pretty. Maybe I'm wrong. I stay in maybe 2-star hotels in BKK, but I've never seen one for that kind of money.
Now 52 orgasms in 8 days. That's 6. 5 Os per day, every day, for 8 days. I daresay most board members can't do that. When I was 22 I could, but not for 8 days straight. If it's true, good on him. But, to me, it sounds a bit optimistic.
The remainder of the budget, $2500, comes to about 75, 000 baht using a generous exchange rate. That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O. Of course, this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous. Of course, some of this budget may also go for a better hotel, once he gets a load of the $20 per night joint. LOL.
My point is that, while a $300 per day budget is realistic, when you price it out by orgasm it becomes unrealistic. Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else. One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.
Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.
Linkwray666
05-10-13, 18:32
Somebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.I am "shooting" (haha) for 6-7 girls and 7 orgasms per day, have done it before in PI. If I fall short of my goal so be it, whatever the final tally I will have fun trying and IMO it will be worth every Baht.
Somebody better call either Ripley's or Guinness or both.Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up. Dreaming nad fantazising is legitimate, keeps you busy in the odd chastity times at home. Gives motivation and so on. But setting a minute by minute agenda (as such, BTW) is pointless to me.
Removes all the pleasure of hte hunt, the search. For as much he can arrive in BKK, call at Novotel BKK and have a line up of girls coming up to his room (seen that he has a list already) and do the deeds. Done deed,"who's next?"
Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.
But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.
Paul Kausch
05-10-13, 19:32
Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up. Dreaming nad fantazising is legitimate, keeps you busy in the odd chastity times at home. Gives motivation and so on. But setting a minute by minute agenda (as such, BTW) is pointless to me.
Removes all the pleasure of hte hunt, the search. For as much he can arrive in BKK, call at Novotel BKK and have a line up of girls coming up to his room (seen that he has a list already) and do the deeds. Done deed,"who's next?"
Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.
But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.Maybe 51 in 8 days is a personal best and he's trying to break his record. If he comes even close and reports on all his exploits we'll have plenty to read. Even as a young man about 3 times a day was my limit. Now I'm happy to fuck once a day: and twice in one day is cause for celebration. Oh to be young again.
Linkwray666
05-10-13, 21:35
traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip.You misunderstand. The point of my trip is not to "screw as many different girls, in as little time possible", I could do that at home.
The point of my trip is to experience as much PSE as I can in the limited amount of time I have available with women I find attractive for the smallest amount of money possible.
You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.Where? WHERE? I have RTFF (this forum and many others) and I have not seen reports of anything equal to Eden, Tulip, Mango, Star of Light etc. Existing anywhere else in the world.
Please please PLEASE tell me where I can get 2 hours of anal, BBBJ, rimming MSOG etc. With a girl as hot as the nicer ones at Cherry / Mango / Snow White or an Eden-style full lesbian / strapon / DP / anal / BBBJ / COF / Multi-pop threesome or more-some for less money and with shorter travel time, honestly, sincerely, I would LOVE to know, and I am sure many others would as well. And yes I know I could find this with escorts in the US, the price for a single one hour session with decent looking girls is almost what I paid for my RT airfare (China Airlines, purchased through their site many months ago and at the time they had a discount for Paypal. My fare was cheap because I bought it so far in advance, traveled on less popular days, and chose to travel during low season).
I would prefer to not spend 32 hours flying round trip but I do not think the PSE I am looking for exists anywhere else for anywhere near what it will be costing me on a per-pop or smiles-per-minute basis even after factoring in airfare, hotel, etc.
Flying to BKK to visit Tulip / Cherry / Mango / Snow White / SOL / Eden once would not make sense to me, but I plan to hit Eden and the others many times. It seems a better argument would be to say "you should stay longer so everything is not so rushed" and sure, I would love to stay many weeks and take it at a more leisurely pace but 8 days is what I have available and I am going to make the best of it and maximize my fun.
As for the "colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip" statement, apart from the sex I have ZERO interest in visiting Thailand. There might be something of interest there for you but for me there is not and I can think of lots of other places I would rather take a non-mongering vacation.
I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room.I have included a pic of the hotel room, Star Inn on Soi 7/1, standard double, no window, currently $23 a night, I booked 6 months ago when it was as I recall $17. I am sure it will not be great but I do not care, I do not plan to spend much awake time there. Star Inn was chosen for its low price and perfect location, it is next to Eden on Soi 7/1 and a quick walk from Nana car park and BTS.
traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars . this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous.Bars, barfines, drinks. No, no, and no. I find the go-gos / barfines to be a waste of money and a crapshoot as far as quality of service and will not be taking any girls off premises and probably not visiting any bars at all. There no barfines at the oilies I will be visiting or at Eden, and any girl I end up taking to my room will be either be found at closing time in Nana Car Park or somewhere on Suk between Nana and my room on 7/1.
As for drinks, I am not much of a drinker. And as I recall some of the oilies give free water or soda. I plan to buy a case or two of bottled water for my room and carry water with me, can't imagine that costing too much. And food in Bangkok is dirt cheap. Will definitely buy a pass for the BTS, I am pretty good at walking, will take taxis when necessary but most of the places I am interested in visiting are either walking distance from my room or very near a BTS stop. I think Star of Light will be the only one that will require a taxi. I considered buying a bicycle and still may if I can find a cheap one, but I checked craigslist and they seem to be pretty expensive in Bangkok.
I do have plenty of money available to cover any unforeseen miscellaneous costs if necessary, if I end up spending $2600 or $2800 or $3000 or more it is really no big deal to have a good time but I have done the math and it looks like it will come to around $2500 exclusive of airfare and hotel.
Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else.There is literally nothing I would rather be doing while in Thailand. Shopping? I already own everything I could possibly want or need. Sightseeing? I have had my fill of the sights. Clubbing, drinking, etc? Not interested. I want only to immerse myself in an 8 day porn living movie of my own making.
One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.I am estimating around 1 every 2 hours on average. If this does not seem realistic for you I understand, for me it is not difficult. And again, if for some reason I fail, who cares! It will be fun trying and I will have memories to last until I am able to return.
Here is one days planned itinerary:
11AM wake. 2hours to shower, dress, quick breakfast, check emails, change money etc. And travel to my first destination.
1PM Tulip Massage. 1 girl. 2 hours. 2 pops.
4PM cheap oily with HE. 1 hour. 1 girl. 1 pop.
5PM quick lunch.
6PM Star of Light. 30-45 minutes. 1 girl. 1 pop.
8PM Cherry Massage. 2 hours. 1 girl. 2 pops.
11PM cheap oily with HE. 1 hour. 1 girl. 1 pop.
1AM Freelancer. 1 hour. 1 pop.
2AM Eat.
3 AM Sleep 8 hours.
I realize this kind of tight scheduling is not for everyone and is not my preference, I will be making a more relaxed-paced visit at a later date but this time I need to do as much as possible in the limited amount of time I have available. Spreading this same itinerary over a two week period would only add around $200 for the hotel and food, and the food will cost me less than what I would be paying at home or most other places I might want to travel so I don't think food costs are something to concern myself with.
That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O.Sounds right to me. 2 hours and two pops at Tulip / Mango / Cherry / SW is B2300, so B1150 per pop. SOL is B700 per pop. Oily with HE is B800-900 per pop. The only place I plan to visit that is more expensive than that is Eden. 2 pops for B3900 = 1950 per O. I plan to do Eden 4 times while in Bangkok, will still be averaging less than B1400 per O.
Exactly. I f the guy is after a record, good luck to him. If not. What is the (real) point of settina a qutoa of 52 times in 8 days even before his plane has the gear up.Don't care about records, just an estimate based on past experiences. I did not set a quota, just decided what I want to do while in Bangkok and it added up to $3600 for around the same number of pops I regularly spend more than $5000 on in the US. Pops with cuter, younger, more enthusiastic girls with wide open menus and porn star service as opposed to the handjobs I am typically spending my money on at home.
But still to me it all looks pointless. Ticking boxes.Understood, thank you for sharing your opinion.
Each one his own and I am not the one to tell him not to.Agreed.
It says retirement payment and pensions are taxable. But if I bring my money in as savings why would that constitute as an income.From what I've read on the subject, Thai law generally considers any monies you obtain as both income and taxable.
Why would bringing your "money in as savings", whatever that is supposed to mean, be any different or exempt you from a legal obligation to file a return and pay taxes, if any are owed?
AFAIK, from what a number of legal sites have stated re their interpretation of Thai income tax law, if you bring monies into Thailand in the same year it is obtained or earned, then those monies are taxable. It makes no difference if they come directly into a "savings" account in a Thai bank without being spent in Thailand. Neither does it help you to use a USD card from a US bank in paying bills in LOS, since those monies are coming into Thailand as soon as you make such a payment, which BTW leaves a paper trail in Siam.
According to that website, pension income received in Thailand is subject to income tax. You can always pay for everything with a US credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees and have your US bank pay the credit card bill. That way, no income comes in to Thailand to be subject to be taxed. It also keeps your assets in a protected US bank account, since any attempt to seize your assets in a foreign country is often times subject to the whims of a corrupt judiciary.According to the website the pension income does not have to be recieved in Thailand, but merely brought into Thailand, whether directly or indirectly. It could be recieved in the UK and then transfered a bit at a time, in part or in full, into Siam. Once it enters the Kingdom, it is taxable.
From what a number of legal sites have stated re their interpretation of Thai income tax law, if you bring monies into Thailand in the same year it is obtained or earned, then those monies are taxable. It won't help you to use a USD card from a US bank in paying bills in LOS, since those monies are coming into Thailand as soon as you make such a payment, which BTW leaves a paper trail in LOS.
That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.If in Thailand you owe 37 percent on your non Thai income and in your homeland you owe 7 percent on the same income, you can avoid double taxation or paying both amounts, which would total 44 percent. But you'll still owe a total of 37 percent, such as 7 percent elsewhere & the remaining 30 percent more in LOS.
But by not becoming a Thai tax resident one could escape the legal obligation to pay Thai income tax on such foreign income. Thereby you'ld be allowed to keep that 30 percent in taxes & only pay 7 percent instead of 37 percent. As I mentioned earlier this can be done by spending less than the required amount of days in the Kingdom per calendar year, which is about 180 days.
IamJohnGalt
05-11-13, 08:24
I'm heading up to Bangkok from Pattaya on Sunday, but haven't taken the regular bus before.
It appears that the easiest way to Sukumvit area is on the Pattaya to Ekamai (Roong Rueang) bus and then BTS skytrain a few stops to Nana.
Experienced travelers, am I reading this correctly, or is there a better way?
(Rather not tie myself down to Bell Travel's schedule this time though.)
Thanks in advance.
While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.This is the Thailand Forum. Its pretty pointless to debate which is the best mongering destination for North Americans who have only one week off and its very far and expensive for them to come here.
I don't like to take work assignments in North America either. Its just too far for me, and while I like the natural scenery, the puritanical culture doesn't do much for me. I prefer to work in Europe, although allergic to the cold weather in winter.
Some of us have to pick some country to be in for extended periods, and Thailand is good enough for me, and convenient. I can do my work from any country (for part of the year). It can't be convenient for everyone.
I would also add that Thailand is a great place to get your expensive dental work like crowns and root canals done far more cheaply than back home, and the savings could cover your air-fare from some countries quite easily. Top dentists who studied in the US are available.
Anyway each person will have a different situation to weigh up whether a trip to Thailand is worthwhile to them or not.
LittleBigMan
05-11-13, 11:27
While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something.
The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from.
I would like to see some photos of a $20 / night BKK hotel room. I have mental images that are not pretty. Maybe I'm wrong. I stay in maybe 2-star hotels in BKK, but I've never seen one for that kind of money.
Now 52 orgasms in 8 days. That's 6. 5 Os per day, every day, for 8 days. I daresay most board members can't do that. When I was 22 I could, but not for 8 days straight. If it's true, good on him. But, to me, it sounds a bit optimistic.
The remainder of the budget, $2500, comes to about 75, 000 baht using a generous exchange rate. That comes to about 9, 000 baht per day, BUT is 1, 400 per O. Of course, this includes food, transportation, bar fines, drinks, miscellaneous. Of course, some of this budget may also go for a better hotel, once he gets a load of the $20 per night joint. LOL.
My point is that, while a $300 per day budget is realistic, when you price it out by orgasm it becomes unrealistic. Time is another factor. 7 pops a day leaves very little time for anything else. One every 3 hours only leaves 3 hours for sleep.
Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.Then do us all a favor and don't come! End of story!
Scorchin1470
05-11-13, 12:17
Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.Ignoring the fact that the OP has a ridiculous plan, I am in complete agreement. Those who come looking for a pussy fest are just wasting their time because by the end of the second day they will realise that cheap doss house hotels and scruffy bars ain't much of a holiday. Bangkok and Thailand require a slow approach to life with time spent learning just how to organise one's time. Seven fucks a day is going to be an impossible target.
I only hope the OP gives an 'actuals' report indue time.
NicFrenchy
05-11-13, 12:41
This is the Thailand Forum. Its pretty pointless to debate which is the best mongering destination for North Americans who have only one week off and its very far and expensive for them to come here.
I don't like to take work assignments in North America either. Its just too far for me, and while I like the natural scenery, the puritanical culture doesn't do much for me. I prefer to work in Europe, although allergic to the cold weather in winter.I fully agree. North America is not a pleasant place to be (for me anyways) and I far prefer the lifestyle here in Thailand.
Boy, couldn't agree with you more. I am stuck here and no choice available for me. But if I was able to move and did it I would miss all the great things here like the USA congress, the bible toters, and fox TV.
The time I have been able to spend in Thailand has been great and I plan on much more of it in the future.
WrinkleFree
05-11-13, 16:04
After reading AMEX SGs super detailed reports (thanks amex) on Pattaya I've committed to making a first trip to Thailand in June.
I'll be staying 5 days and 4 nights. Do you think it is worth to do half in BKK and half in Pattaya or just concentrate on one city?
Then do us all a favor and don't come! End of story!You completely missed the point. LOS is a great place, the women are a strong reason to come, the food is great. If you get away from the tourist traps and Farang Gulch the people tend to be quite friendly. The Thai culture, and that of the other SEA countries, is very interesting. A visit to Thailand can be enlightening on many levels, as should any good trip abroad.
As Bionicman said, if you're showing up just to tick boxes, what's the point? You'll miss out on all the other things Thailand has to offer.
After reading AMEX SGs super detailed reports (thanks amex) on Pattaya I've committed to making a first trip to Thailand in June.
I'll be staying 5 days and 4 nights. Do you think it is worth to do half in BKK and half in Pattaya or just concentrate on one city?Wow, its a real short time. You won't have time to do either justice, but consider trying both. Or just see what happens. Don't need to commit yourself yet. Start at Pattaya, and only if you don't like it and quality is not good enough then move on to more expensive Bangkok. Or take the reverse approach. Making too many plans can interfere with really have a ball in some particular place. However do try a few different things so that you can gauge what you really like for next time.
I sort of believe that overall the best girls will be in Bangkok because they can make more money here.
While the poster makes some interesting points, he doesn't address the time involved. Spending 30+ hours in an airplane and airports, plus the $1, 000+ airfare, for an 8-day vacation may not sound like a good idea to some. But I digress.
The numbers don't really add up unless you are a hard-core backpacker, or something. The airfare is OK. That's a very good fare from North America, assuming that's where he's coming from. Now, just my opinion, but traveling half-way around the world, just to see the inside of bars and a cheap hotels, for the sole purpose of screwing as many different girls, in as little time as possible, is a colossal waste of what could otherwise be a very interesting trip. You can do the same in closer places for a much smaller investment of time and jet lag.Consider the fact that it is just BS and you guys fell for it? His response on how he spent a day tells me that he is either the Superman of fuckingdom or just a plain BS.
Paul Kausch
05-14-13, 05:48
Paul,
They should set a limit for the minimum sized post, to avoid silly one-liners. LOL
Here is a recommendation for you. Go back and read some of Nic Frenchy's oldest posts, the lengthy ones. He has a subtle humour that I found very amusing, not relying on basic sarcasm, but more on funny situations and the difference in Western and Thai cultures. Probably the most entertaining poster we have seen, when he was in the right mood and had the time to be expansive, IMHO. Avoid his posts, where he seems to be in a very negative mood (these would normally be shorter anyway). Its usually the long posts that were the reall good ones.
Sorry we are in the wrong thread.Syzygies,
Sorry it took so long to reply. I was busy putting out a fire.
Decided to move the discussion over to this thread.
First, I really appreciate your thoughtful posts.
Second, I agree with you, silly, meaningless one liners are a waste of time and space. I think forum posts have something like a ten character minimum, put I don't think length is the issue. The question is whether the post adds something to the forum. Personally, I don't have problems with dumb questions. They only show the person has not RTFF; and I understand the world is full of stupid, lazy people. I don't have a problem with angry rants. Some times we need to blow off steam. But I do have a problem with people who complain about the forum's content, and other forum members and their posts, yet do nothing on their part to uplift the ISG's quality.
I will read some of Nic Frenchy's older posts when I have time and expect to find them to be a good read.
So Mr. Nic, why don't you continue to live up to the high standard you once set? You've read what Syzygies thinks of your older contributions to the forum. Why not continue to set an example?
For that matter, why don't all of you senior members set an example? This forum is what its members make it. In our youth, my generation had a saying: "You're part of the problem or you're part of the solution." Which are you going to be?
Its easy to see the Nasa Vegas Hotel from Rama IX freeway coming from the airport. Does the Nasa Spacedrome Disco still exist? I must have gone there 15 years ago or more. Was very large disco.
Its easy to see the Nasa Vegas Hotel from Rama IX freeway coming from the airport. Does the Nasa Spacedrome Disco still exist? I must have gone there 15 years ago or more. Was very large disco.Nope.
Closed 14.9 years ago.
Giotto
http://www.livingstoneslodge.com
PS: Nasa Disco did not survive the Asian Financial Crisis.
Fast Eddie 48
05-14-13, 20:47
I'm heading up to Bangkok from Pattaya on Sunday, but haven't taken the regular bus before.
It appears that the easiest way to Sukumvit area is on the Pattaya to Ekamai (Roong Rueang) bus and then BTS skytrain a few stops to Nana.
Experienced travelers, am I reading this correctly, or is there a better way?
(Rather not tie myself down to Bell Travel's schedule this time though.)
Thanks in advance.To IamJohnGalt.
This is the cheapest way if you are already in Bangkok Suhumvit area take skytrain to Ekamai bus station bus every 30 min 135 bht to pattya bus station and take the bht bus to beach road 20bht, the best way is take the taxi if you have large Luggage 700-800 bht hotel to hotel.
Fast Eddie 48
To IamJohnGalt.
This is the cheapest way if you are already in Bangkok Suhumvit area take skytrain to Ekamai bus station bus every 30 min 135 bht to pattya bus station and take the bht bus to beach road 20bht, the best way is take the taxi if you have large Luggage 700-800 bht hotel to hotel.
Fast Eddie 48It is the other way: he is in Pattaya and wants to go to BKK
Here's an interesting take:
http://msna.biz/tax-on-monthly-pension
According to this guy, ostensibly a Thai accountant, pensions, etc, are taxable only if they are earned and brought into Thailand in the same year. So, he offers a workaround. Interesting.I've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. I suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the Thai tax law:
"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into Thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this Part."
http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html
So where does that leave the guys who bring into LOS 800, 000 baht all at once for a Thai retirement visa?
If the Thai tax authorities are not interested in pursuing taxing these guys & farang pensioners, etc, inspite of what the law says, would that be to encourage more ATMs to retire in the Kingdom? I doubt that they are unaware that many of these guys, who probably don't even file a tax return in Siam, are tax evaders who should be paying Thai taxes.
Mr Enternational
05-15-13, 16:20
I've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. I suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the Thai tax law:This should be in the Living in Thailand section.
LittleBigMan
05-16-13, 02:18
i've come across several online tax professional sites that have said the same thing. i suggest it is their correct interpretation of the following portion of section 41 of the thai tax law:
"a resident of thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this part."
http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html
so where does that leave the guys who bring into los 800, 000 baht all at once for a thai retirement visa?
if the thai tax authorities are not interested in pursuing taxing these guys & farang pensioners, etc, inspite of what the law says, would that be to encourage more atms to retire in the kingdom? i doubt that they are unaware that many of these guys, who probably don't even file a tax return in siam, are tax evaders who should be paying thai taxes.p. p.
guess this little law is got you loosing some sleep?
there is also a law about not smoking in public area.
there is also a law about corruption, but thailand last 2 years reported that they are loosing 200 billion per year dut to government corruption.
there is also a law about talking on the cell phone while driving a vehicle, also helmet, speeding, etc. etc.
there is also a law about loud music coming from vehicles.
there are laws and laws that aren't enforce including demostrations closing streets and the airport and finally back to isg, there is a law about prostitution!
the shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. it seems maybe i'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share i'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
lbm
Crazy4Thai
05-16-13, 04:41
P. P.
The shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. It seems maybe I'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. Knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share I'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
LBMAmen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business Carried on abroad. ." To me that does not include pensions.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.Section 40 leaves no doubt that pensions are included as tax assessable income and income derived from employment when it states:
"Assessable income is income of the following categories including any amount of tax paid by the payer of income or by any other person on behalf of a taxpayer.
• (1) Income derived from employment, whether in the form of salary, wage, per diem, bonus, bounty, gratuity, pension, house rent allowance, monetary value of rent-free residence provided by an employer, payment of debt liability of an employee made by an employer, or any money, property or benefit derived from employment."
http://www.samuiforsale.com/law-texts/the-thailand-revenue-code.html
p. p.
guess this little law is got you loosing some sleep?
there is also a law about not smoking in public area.
there is also a law about corruption, but thailand last 2 years reported that they are loosing 200 billion per year dut to government corruption.
there is also a law about talking on the cell phone while driving a vehicle, also helmet, speeding, etc. etc.
there is also a law about loud music coming from vehicles.
there are laws and laws that aren't enforce including demostrations closing streets and the airport and finally back to isg, there is a law about prostitution!
the shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. it seems maybe i'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share i'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.
lbmi've never owed any taxes to thailand & don't intend to. like i said, it would be too boring to spend 365 days a year here. two months usually does it & i'm ready to move on. anything under 180 days makes you exempt re non thai income.
but what are you trying to tell me here, that no one has ever been caught and punished for any of the things you listed or for tax evasion? or that they couldn't be? why take the risk, when you can go to various other wonderful asia destinations & enjoy a variety of pussy? no risk, no worries, no tax payments & no boredom sounds good to me. how about you?
Amen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.Where else a pension is coming form if not from employment or business? It is a delayed form of salary.
Amen.
Also, am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business Carried on abroad." To me that does not include pensions.Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.
LittleBigMan
05-16-13, 11:44
Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.Maybe some feel that they are living here for years and years actually think that they are Thai National or.
Something? Who knows what some are thinking these days. With the strength of the baht and the
Of our dollar etc. All of a sudden one guy wants to pay taxes can't seem to get it out of his pants when he should be thinking about using his tax payment of getting some pussy!
Maybe on paper people are getting mixed up resident with citizen? In the USA I'm like anything President or politician and it is no different here if the time comes I got to pay taxes. I'm going to lie and cheat and
Swear on the bible that ' I'm telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth " then I'm going to do what.
It takes to pay as little or nothing whatever it takes.
We are already paying more and they have a greater expectation from us that we are walking ATM'S,
Girls thinking that is one thing but when the Thai government starts thinking that I'm going to pay taxes when majority of the population doesn't. I suggest they bring some help when they come to collect from me!
LBM
So Mr. Nic, why don't you continue to live up to the high standard you once set? You've read what Syzygies thinks of your older contributions to the forum. Why not continue to set an example?Paul,
People get busy and some of us have to work, so sometimes guys are too busy to write the really great entertaining long reports. Some get bored by the forum at times when few useful reports are arriving. Others just don't have the natural writing talent (I know I don't). I try to remember to just give information in keeping with the spirit of the forum, and hope also to encourage others to put in more field experience reports. Do I detect a recent improvement in site reports?
I better get back to work now!
Paul Kausch
05-17-13, 06:28
Paul,
People get busy and some of us have to work, so sometimes guys are too busy to write the really great entertaining long reports. Some get bored by the forum at times when few useful reports are arriving. Others just don't have the natural writing talent (I know I don't). I try to remember to just give information in keeping with the spirit of the forum, and hope also to encourage others to put in more field experience reports. Do I detect a recent improvement in site reports?
I better get back to work now!Syzygies,
Sure I understand work and time limitations. I put in more than a few hours a week and use ISG to kill a little time when I don't have enough time or am in the wrong place to go out and have fun.
And I'm not complaining about the lack of long entertaining reports. Those do take a special talent; and as you point out not all of us have the talent nor is English everyone's first language. It's the childish bickering and short meaningless posts that annoy me. My intend is to be an advocate for a quality forum. A few less stupid posts and a few more thoughtful posts would make a noticeable difference.
You may be right. The quality of the posts just might be improving.
It's the childish bickering and short meaningless posts that annoy me. My intend is to be an advocate for a quality forum. A few less stupid posts and a few more thoughtful posts would make a noticeable difference.Can't disagree with that. Yes Quality and certainly less negativity. You get a few who just mock 90% of the time or more and rarely contribute anything useful. I even avocated having guys try to think what the others readers might want, but some thought that was a stupid idea and instead avocate having guys rave on with any old stuff no matter how relevant or irrelevant, useful or not.
BTW, If you think there are some stupid posting on this forum, you should see how abysmal some of the other competition forums are. In my experience they really are bad, including Thai forums and also the western one W. The ones I tried, had no posts with any substance at all. Its was all just smart-ass posts from start to finish. When I had the audacity to ask how come, their superiority complex shone through. Who was this newbie posting reasonable information and asking others to do so too?
As an example, their "Annies thread" had just a lot of one liner posts!
I went to a few clubs.
Climax. Around 2am tons of girls. Went with a semi pro and she didn't like it but I saw a hot busty Thai that I would have taken in a heartbeat. 300 bhat entry I think but it came with a drink. My friend got in free. It was packed and it was a Tuesday.
Shock 39. Don't waste your time. It was dead on a Thursday around 1am. Horrible. Complete sausage fest. A ton of Indians dancing together and obvious homosexuals dancing. I thought it was a gay bar for a while. Damn can driver said it would be good. There were a few Russian girls but seemed more annoyed with the Indians then anything. They kept coming over to me but I wasn't feeling it and left for greener pastures.
Levels. Very nice. Good music better girls them the previous two places and drinks were 250. Great price for club I think. I saw a few stunners there but again I was with my gorgeous semi pro so I couldn't take.
Red sky bar. Central world. Very nice, very high. 300/350 drinks. Saw many groups and families so go there for view not really a place to pick up. I did see a few single girls inside but didn't ask them I'm sure sky high prices.
Nest- very nice. Had dinner there. Live music and Dj. Chill place maybe go there before going out for drinks maybe with a date. Took another girl there she was very happy with it.
Also went to thermae around 1 am one night. 10 guys there total. 60 girls there staring at me. Took home a busty cutie 2000 ST. Very cute, liked to kiss and wanted to give me hickies. Had to stop her. Good provider 3 holer. Wasn't traditional skinny Thai but not fat in by any means. Nice tits and ass and best of all pretty face.
Paul Kausch
05-18-13, 16:42
This post should probably be in General, and not MPs.
I would not bother stocking up in advance. Just wait for when you get to there, much easier and cheaper to get in Thailand.
And for everyone's information, you can get some STDs from BBBJ, not just BBFS. This is especially true at some places like a BJ bar where it is possible the girl still has some remnants of fluid in her throat. So she might not even have anything, but still may be passing it on to the next guy. Sadly, this is not second or third hand information.
So if you are doing BBBJ, you already are taking some risks. This is a risk I'm personally willing to accept, because the difference between CBJ and BBBJ is too great.RBDave,
You're absolutely right about this discussion being in the wrong thread, something I accept responsibility for. I think this started with a post in which I said I've always gotten BBBJs at Poseidon. So now I've move it over to the general thread.
You're also right about the risk of contacting an STD from a BBBJ. I thinks it's good you mention this as I occasionally run into guys are surprised when I tell them this. Some even insist I don't know what I'm talking about. When the message is important repetition is good.
The statement about stocking up on antibiotics before the trip was not intended to be taken literally. In that part of the post I was trying to convey that I am conflicted about bareback FS. I understand the health risks. I realize we are in a position of power relative to the SW and it is easy for us to coerce them into a dangerous activity they would prefer to avoid. And if they take the initiative the safe and ethical response is to insist on using a condom.
RBDave,
You're absolutely right about this discussion being in the wrong thread, something I accept responsibility for. I think this started with a post in which I said I've always gotten BBBJs at Poseidon. So now I've move it over to the general thread.
You're also right about the risk of contacting an STD from a BBBJ. I thinks it's good you mention this as I occasionally run into guys are surprised when I tell them this. Some even insist I don't know what I'm talking about. When the message is important repetition is good.
The statement about stocking up on antibiotics before the trip was not intended to be taken literally. In that part of the post I was trying to convey that I am conflicted about bareback FS. I understand the health risks. I realize we are in a position of power relative to the SW and it is easy for us to coerce them into a dangerous activity they would prefer to avoid. And if they take the initiative the safe and ethical response is to insist on using a condom.I definitely don't want to sound like I'm preaching. I think each individual can decide for himself if he wants to take the risks. I have a friend who does BBFS about 50% of the time. His rational is that the only thing he's worried about is HIV and if he gets infected, he's figured he's old enough and has already had a good life. And by the time it gets him, he'll be old enough to die of old age any how.
However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."
When did I discover this? On the plane ride home! I went from being extremely tired to completely awake.
An odd thing happened as a result. I kept the email address of the last girl I was with, so I informed her to get checked. She freaked out. She was clear, but we didn't do BBFS, so I didn't expect anything. But now, we've been talking on the phone quite often and have grown quite fond of each other. And in the end, that may be worse for me than an STD.
SuperMarckus
05-19-13, 02:46
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.
However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."Yes I absolutely understand. I also cannot risk BBFS. I have GF too these days. I am only mongering a lot, as she is away right now. Its a good idea to have some emergency meds just in case something should happen like this, as can be cured pretty quick.
You don't want your partner finding the Azithromax though, unless you can come up with some other innocent problem that it can be used for. Chlamydia is the common one though. Some people have been known to self dose toward the end of a mongering trip just in case of catching symptomless Chlamydia. This is not recommended by doctors but still a practical thing. You can't always wait for the diagnosis if you suspect something. Can treat for multiple things in a hurry just in case.
A previous GF found my spare Azithromycin, and I had a difficult time explaining what it was for. I said it was old (which was true) and forgot what was treating and had to look up the internet in a hurry. Then later I "remembered" it was for previous middle ear infection.
Be aware that there also exist other things that can cause discharge that are not the standard STD diseases. You still may want to be checked to be sure what you have caught. I mean proper tests. Don't rely on Doctor's initial guess-work (wrong diagnosis). Typical doctor's guess is often little better than my own internet assisted guess. I have been tested by clinics in Thailand many times for all types of STDs and most results come back quickly. It can be handy just to get the clean bill of health for peace of mind before return to the wife.
Years ago, I used to have BBFS with a Thai girl in my home country, and with no one else. Used to see her once per week. She was only doing me and her proper BF as far as I know (which complicates things), as I did not know what her BF might get up to. At some point I a had a discharge and told her, in case I had caught something from her and she may have got it from her BF. She panicked a little too much, and after that did not provide BBFS again. My check subsequently showed is was not a typical STD disease but one of the other ones that can occur through non-sexual tranmission means. The lesson to learnt is that although I had good intentions, I should not have told her anything. If she had it too, I could deny everything, assuming it came from her. I could not have got an STD from anywhere else.
Hope this was not purely a waste of time, and maybe a useful idea in there somewhere.
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.Without getting too graphic, can you expand a bit on "heavy perverted?" Anal hardly qualifies as heavy perversion. Not sure how to help without more information.
I plan on doing a visa run to Bangkok. Also my penis feels a little off, can't really explain it. Worried I might have something but it's not showing symptoms like gonorrhea or chlamydia, which I think it might be. I looked up some STD clinics and plan to get tested for the whole gamut of STDs. How long do I need to stay if I want to also get treated in Bangkok. Basically. 1) How long to diagnose gonorrhea and chlamydia by test. 2) how long to get diagnosed with blood test like Hep / Aids.
Without getting too graphic, can you expand a bit on "heavy perverted?" Anal hardly qualifies as heavy perversion. Not sure how to help without more information.Heavily perverted enters in to the realms of sado-masochism which is hardly a topic on a respectable board concerned with f*ck*ing.
Sorry if this is in the wrong section, I couldn't find a section that seemed entirely right.
Is there a post (I have looked and looked) that has 'negotiation' Thai? . In phonetic English or Thai script. How to ask for anal, for example. Having it written down might be good.
My situation is that, rather than have a lot of vanilla sex with a lot of different girls, I want to do some heavy perverted stuff with two or three on the next visit. I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I just want to know that she's alright with it before we set off from the bar / gogo. So, given the music volumes in such places, what's the best way for me to impress on the lady that this will be a 'demanding' evening, and she needs to weigh up the work with the rewards? The last thing I want to do is take a girl back and have her be upset by my requirements! I know there are a lot of premises where fetishes are served on-site, but for me choosing a bar girl / freelancer and taking her home is the whole thrill of the thing.
Again, apologies if this is in the wrong bit / has been asked 1, 000 times and I couldn't find the answer.I, too, forget the correct phrase, it was discussed over 5-7 years ago. Just point to her ass and say boom boom?
Paul Kausch
05-19-13, 17:55
I find it's very interesting that the issue of bareback sex sparks so much interest. It's understandable why it does. There are so many facets and implications.
I have a friend who does BBFS about 50% of the time. His rational is that the only thing he's worried about is HIV and if he gets infected, he's figured he's old enough and has already had a good life. And by the time it gets him, he'll be old enough to die of old age any how.
However, I'm married, so cannot take the risk for BBFS. Yet, I still managed to get something. My friend thought I was being a hypochondriac because the odds from getting it via BBBJ are really low, until I told him I had discharge."Oh, yeah, you got it."
An odd thing happened as a result. I kept the email address of the last girl I was with, so I informed her to get checked. She freaked out. She was clear, but we didn't do BBFS, so I didn't expect anything. But now, we've been talking on the phone quite often and have grown quite fond of each other. And in the end, that may be worse for me than an STD.I think many of us would conclude the problem with your friend's attitude is he is probably having sex with young girls who are not quite ready to die.
I think protected sex takes on another level of significance if you're in a 'monogamous' relationship. Putting the issue of infidelity aside for a moment, both parties should be able to assume they are not at risk of contracting an STD from their partner; and my personal opinion on infidelity is if you want to play the field, you have no business being in a relationship unless you and your partner understand it is an open relationship. For what it's worth, I did cheat; not the least bit proud of it; so I understand how and why it can happen. I know first hand, emotional ties with a woman other than your spouse can accelerate aging and create a load of problems, emotional and financial. Good luck. Be wise.
This may sound silly but I think EtOH is a contributing factor to BBFSIt doesn't sound the least bit silly to me. Guys have used intoxicants to get their way with women since long before our times. I think it's widely known that many of the girls in the go-go bars slam a few shots of cheap Thai whiskey to get ready for their shift and then drink heavily through the night. I don't know that the MP girls are drinking during the day, but they do drink heavily when they are out having fun at night. So I wonder if they too are accustomed to adjusting their attitude for work on a daily basis. The MPs may have a policy about drinking on the job.
I, too, forget the correct phrase, it was discussed over 5-7 years ago. Just point to her ass and say boom boom?They understand "fuck ass". Frequently, I get the response that I should find a ladyboy.
They understand "fuck ass". Frequently, I get the response that I should find a ladyboy.LOL.
Len (falling tone) Doot would probably suffice. I wouldn't use it in "polite" society, but with a BG it'll get your point across.
Khao pra doo lang (go in the back door) , while vulgar, is a bit less crude. My pronunciation is terrible, but I think the khao is falling the the lang is rising. Fluent speakers can probably shed more light.
SuperMarckus
05-20-13, 00:45
Heavily perverted enters in to the realms of sado-masochism which is hardly a topic on a respectable board concerned with f*ck*ing.Don't worry, I'm not talking about anything horrible or uncivilised. Just if I wanted to tie her up and do lots of anal using lots of toys, light spanking maybe. And I'd want to know she was okay with me filming it. My concern is to find a girl whose happy with this sort of thing from the off, rather than having her be offended by my asking back at the hotel.
Paul Kausch
05-20-13, 01:55
FYI.
The following information pertains to whether people living in Thailand on a retiree visa are subject to Thai income tax. The information at the end of this post came from this week's Stickman Weekly Column.
Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand. Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand and the United States have double taxation treaties with Thailand. I did not search for other countries, but had no difficulty ascertaining this in a few seconds by searching the following "name of my home country" Thailand double taxation treaty.
The following is not a plug for Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers. I just thought this information would be helpful considering this was a topic that generated a number of posts a few days ago.
Here is the text from the Stickman column.
Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax.
Don't worry, I'm not talking about anything horrible or uncivilised. Just if I wanted to tie her up and do lots of anal using lots of toys, light spanking maybe. And I'd want to know she was okay with me filming it. My concern is to find a girl whose happy with this sort of thing from the off, rather than having her be offended by my asking back at the hotel.Good luck with that. The BGs up for that sort of thing are going to be rather scarce on the ground.
Try Demonia or Bar Bar. A lot of that sort of stuff goes on there, and my guess would be that some of the ladies might be up for outcall. However, outcall S&M probably has a lot more risk than regular P4P, for obvious reasons, so it may be tough to get them to agree to that sort of thing off the premises.
BTW, it's illegal to film porn in TH. It happens, but occasionally a guy winds up in the news after getting busted. Just sayin'
SuperMarckus
05-20-13, 11:00
Cool. Thanks for the help everyone.
LOL.
Len (falling tone) Doot would probably suffice. I wouldn't use it in "polite" society, but with a BG it'll get your point across.
Khao pra doo lang (go in the back door) , while vulgar, is a bit less crude. My pronunciation is terrible, but I think the khao is falling the the lang is rising. Fluent speakers can probably shed more light.Well you got the tones right but that doesn't mean your reader will have any hope of producing them, and the girl may not understand "pradoo" (bpra-dtuu) or "doot" (dtuut) , depending on the vowel pronunciation.
I would suggest asking in simple English may be better understood, unless the reader is a reasonable Thai speaker. In the wrong place, he might be in danger. LOL.
I agree that a guy needs to go to a special place like Demonia to ask for weird stuff. Too many girls have been murdered in Hotel Rooms, e. G. The G Soi 3, for girls to be keen to go to a guy's Hotel for kinky stuff. For sure there is not going to be any trust.
LittleBigMan
05-20-13, 11:58
FYI.
The following information pertains to whether people living in Thailand on a retiree visa are subject to Thai income tax. The information at the end of this post came from this week's Stickman Weekly Column.
Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand. Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand and the United States have double taxation treaties with Thailand. I did not search for other countries, but had no difficulty ascertaining this in a few seconds by searching the following "name of my home country" Thailand double taxation treaty.
The following is not a plug for Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers. I just thought this information would be helpful considering this was a topic that generated a number of posts a few days ago.
Here is the text from the Stickman column.
Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax. Another guy that likes to cite the law and such? If you have the time to look this up then why don't you and PP get together and start a tracking agency to get us Expat to pay the taxes if you are so concern maybe there is actual money to be made. Just don't come my way because I can say with 100%
Certainty you will never be able to collect it. Sunbelt can also put this law where the sun don't shine!
LBM
Paul Kausch
05-20-13, 15:47
Another guy that likes to cite the law and such? If you have the time to look this up then why don't you and PP get together and start a tracking agency to get us Expat to pay the taxes if you are so concern maybe there is actual money to be made. Just don't come my way because I can say with 100%
Certainty you will never be able to collect it. Sunbelt can also put this law where the sun don't shine!
LBMI don't understand your hostility. The point of my post is few if any forum members need to worry about this issue. Most if not all forum members' home countries probably have double taxation treaties with Thailand. Oh and by the way, I don't work for the Thailand Inland Revenue Department; offering legal advice is Sunbelt Legal's business; and I spent less than five minutes on this matter.
I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but it was long and stuck out like with a hot iron. Similar to the way cattle gets branded. These women had kids but they were beautiful. Is that some sort of tradition or punishment for Thai women? Perhaps a jealous boyfriend or ex husband to mark their territory or shame them in some way. I did google it and nothing came up. I saw it on three separate women. I didn't want to ask them so they didn't feel bad but I can tell it bothered them be / see they covered it up with a shaw or sleeves.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.
Member #4611
05-20-13, 23:16
I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.Most likely a keloid around the vaccination point. See http://www.medicinenet.com/keloid/article.htm And Wikipedia (avoid looking at the pictures!)
Quite common in Asians
LittleBigMan
05-21-13, 01:52
I don't understand your hostility. The point of my post is few if any forum members need to worry about this issue. Most if not all forum members' home countries probably have double taxation treaties with Thailand. Oh and by the way, I don't work for the Thailand Inland Revenue Department; offering legal advice is Sunbelt Legal's business; and I spent less than five minutes on this matter.Oh nothing personal and no hostility, just responding to a topic that was rightfully brought up and I rightfully respond to is just a non issue. If we don't need to worry about this issue why continue to research and put forth a issue that is over a week old. To provide a legal source which you say took less that five minutes.
Read my previous responses that there are plenty of laws that aren't being followed here in Thailand including this one. So it's written on paper so you can google and quote it. Who cares? There is a law as to why many of us come here! Do you follow that and do you quote that? There are so many things Expats have to think and worry about living here that are laws that aren't applied and follow. There is no hostility just a irritation on the subject from two guys that seem to based everything that is written on paper that has no realistic application for those that live here.
LBM
I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but .snip! It wasn't a vaccination scar.Yes it is a vaccination scar. The dosage used in the vaccination in Thailand varies wildly. TTG
two guys that seem to based everything that is written on paper that has no realistic application for those that live here.Perhaps this article will inspire you to reconsider that position:
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Thailand-Farang-Business.htm
Also since my posts are moderated & you may have missed it as a result, please see post # 6183 this thread dated the 15th of May:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1423045&viewfull=1#post1423045
Apparently there are two issue: (1) has your income been taxed in your home country and (2) does your home country have a double taxation treaty with Thailand. If the answers to both questions are yes, then you are not required to pay income tax in Thailand.I believe this comment from Paul Kausch is not necessarily the case as explained in post # 6162 of May 10th:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1421093&viewfull=1#post1421093
Paul Kausch
05-21-13, 03:40
The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
For example –
am I the only one thinking that this phrasing is important?"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business Carried on abroad. ." To me that does not include pensions.
Remember also that very few farangs are "residents" of Thailand. Even us expats who have non-immigrant visas are not considered residents, but guests. We don't pay income taxes.You suggested people should flaunt the law because there are many laws in Thailand that are unenforced.
The shit happens and maybe this is just one of millions that isn't being enforce. It seems maybe I'm wrong you feel guilty not paying your taxes here. Knock yourself out go in and demand to pay your share I'm share the corrupt official would welcome it.LBMThe only post that accurately addressed the issue was by Bionicman.
That means you pay income tax (on the pension) in USA. So somewhere you pay a tax. Whether it is cheaper or better to pay in USA or Thailand is another story. The countries usually have (reciprocal) treats avoiding double taxation.All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.
I noticed several of the girls I hooked up with had some sort of burn scar / brand on their shoulders or upper arm. Kind if where maybe a vaccination would be but it was long and stuck out like with a hot iron. Similar to the way cattle gets branded. These women had kids but they were beautiful. Is that some sort of tradition or punishment for Thai women? Perhaps a jealous boyfriend or ex husband to mark their territory or shame them in some way. I did google it and nothing came up. I saw it on three separate women. I didn't want to ask them so they didn't feel bad but I can tell it bothered them be / see they covered it up with a shaw or sleeves.
Anyone else seen this or know why they might have it? It wasn't a vaccination scar.It is a vaccination scar. If the girl in question was born before approximately 1972 it may be a smallpox vaccination scar. Otherwise, it's probably a TB vaccination scar. Maybe the BCG? Not common in the US.
It wasn't a vaccination scar.Every girl I've ever seen like that. It was a vaccination scar.
Crazy4Thai
05-21-13, 07:52
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.So what are you Suggesting? I have been here for 6 years. The retirement visa renewal process is at best tedious and on one occasion impossible and I left Thailand for several months. And that was not tax related but some asinine issue with a bank that would not issue a letter of guarantee because "my branch" was in another city in Thailand. I could however close that account without returning to "my branch", so, did they have my money or not? Never in my experience here has the government brought up the topic of Thai income tax. Considering the bureaucratic hurdles that one must deal with here, there is no way in hell that I am going to voluntarily inquire. If they bring it up, fine. If it is truly a requirement then I suggest that some gov't organizations are not doing their jobs. I also believe that if I do not bring it up I am not flaunting the law. Explain to me why I should give a shit more than they do. On second thought don't bother. You and PP give a shit. I'm not going to give a shit until it's a real issue.
The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.
LittleBigMan
05-21-13, 12:17
Perhaps this article will inspire you to reconsider that position:
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2010/Thailand-Farang-Business.htm
Also since my posts are moderated & you may have missed it as a result, please see post # 6183 this thread dated the 15th of May:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1423045&viewfull=1#post1423045
I believe this comment from Paul Kausch is not necessarily the case as explained in post # 6162 of May 10th:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1421093&viewfull=1#post1421093Nothing personal believe it or not? But this issue bugs me personally not because I'm scare that
Someone is coming to make me pay taxes. This isn't a issue that you guys need to go on and go
Go back on the other post no one but you two seems to give a shit about this topic. Once again it is a
Irritation to me that two guys yes only two guys that like to cited law and such and quote prints that.
Again have nothing to do with the real world.
I don't need to take the time to review your post moderated or not! I've seen some real stupid post and topic in my time here and this is pretty close to taking the cake?
LittleBigMan
05-21-13, 12:22
The 'non-issue' of whether retirees living in Thailand are required to pay income tax drew enough interest to generate a number of posts.
Several people remarked never having heard of a retiree paying income tax in Thailand.
Some forum members incorrectly speculated the nature of the income was relevant or that we are guests in not residents of Thailand.
For example –
You suggested people should flaunt the law because there are many laws in Thailand that are unenforced.
The only post that accurately addressed the issue was by Bionicman.
All I was doing is providing confirmation that Bionicman was correct in pointing out that this matter was addressed by double taxation treaties.
Suggesting people should ignore the matter because you don't give a shit is reckless advice. Of course, intelligent people recognize this. I think a much wiser life strategy is to understand the laws and which apply to you rather than indiscriminately ignoring them. Noise pollution and littering are not very serious matters. Prostitution is ignored or unevenly enforced in most countries. It is possible to get away with tax evasion; but getting a country's tax collector mad at you can have serious consequences. Fortunately, double taxation treaties sensibly address this matter.Personally speaking for myself I don't give a shit what you think is what actually intelligent people recognize! If you were so fucking intelligent you would see you are making a ass out of yourself and talking all this bullshit about understanding the law. Once again please do me a favor " I dare anyone to come to try to make me pay taxes here " You better bring a army! And make sure your tax collector wear his\
Pamper!
LittleBigMan
05-21-13, 12:29
I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.Like I said King of Jomtien, this are bunch of yoyo's who are scare of their own shadow. I have coffee each morning with a guy like this. Cites everything thinking he is intelligent by doing so like he is Google or
Something. Just this morning we were talking about a car air condition. He goes off talking about how it was invented, who is selling it and who buying it. I had enough got up walk over to him and told him take your coffee outside and sit in the corner until you come to your senses and can carry on a normal conversation with everyone. He thought I was joking I told him you have two choices " you can go out on your own or I will pick you up and put you outside myself "
They like to cite stats and such I wonder if they have to read the instructions on how to put a condom on too?
Paul Kausch
05-21-13, 13:26
So what are you Suggesting?My first post was very clear and explicit. Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the USA and many other countries have double taxation treaties with Thailand, so citizens of those countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. I said NOTHING regarding the visa process.
Paul Kausch
05-21-13, 13:37
I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? I think your advice is reckless, sir. You are the one who is ignorant and blowing smoke out of your ass. The immigration authorities know where I am. They know what my income is. They aren't sending the Thai taxman after me. Can you tell me why? I didn't think so.You completely misunderstand my post. What I said was that you do NOT have to pay income taxes in Thailand. This is why they are not sending the tax man after you. Below is the link to a PDF containing the Taxation Convention Treaty between the United States and Thailand.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf
Dang, my post was intended to let everyone know to NOT worry about this matter that PP originally brought up. There is no problem. This, and similar treaties with other countries covers the matter. Please, go back and read my original post.
Paul Kausch
05-21-13, 14:06
Personally speaking for myself I don't give a shit what you think is what actually intelligent people recognize! If you were so fucking intelligent you would see you are making a ass out of yourself and talking all this bullshit about understanding the law. Once again please do me a favor " I dare anyone to come to try to make me pay taxes here " You better bring a army! And make sure your tax collector wear his\
Pamper!I was surprised to read in one of your earlier posts on this subject that you are from the United States, which I probably means English is your first language. Until I read that, I was assuming English is not your first language and something was getting lost in the translation. Now, I don't know what to make of you and the other guys who have made this last flurry of posts.
Bionicman's post posited a plausible explanation, that there are probably double taxation treaties covering this matter. My post was confirming that Bioninman is correct.
Thailand has double taxation treaties with New Zealand, Great Britain, Australia, the USA and many other countries. Citizens of these countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. Here for example is the treaty between Thailand and the USA.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf
Relax. No one is coming after you. By treaty, you do NOT owe any taxes to the Thai government as long as you are paying taxes in the USA (or what ever country you hold citizenship).
Now if you are not paying your taxes back home, you have a problem; and as the treaty only applies to people who are paying their taxes back home, you may also be creating a problem with the Thai government. If this is the case it is probably in your best interest to seek legal advice. I'm not an attorney, but I've been dealing with them for decades on a variety of matters, including complex contracts and taxes. I appreciate their expertise and services.
This article suggests to me some ideas how the cheap charlies can save a few baht to spend on the ladies:
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/thailand-urged-explore-edible-insect-market-cope-global-122122896.html
Isn't it a turn on to think of DFK TGs who've just eaten a bug sandwich?
I suggest that both you and Mr. Bionicman man don't have the slightest idea, not even a clue, of what you are talking about. Are you a lawyer? Is Bionicman a lawyer? Can you cite the Thai law which provides that foreign expats are required to pay income taxes in Thailand? Can you cite the double taxation treaty that applies? .And are you a lawyer or a tax advisor either?
This article suggests to me some ideas how the cheap charlies can save a few baht to spend on the ladies:
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/thailand-urged-explore-edible-insect-market-cope-global-122122896.html
Isn't it a turn on to think of DFK TGs who've just eaten a bug sandwich?No biggie if that happened. Just a cultural difference. My GF loves the bamboo worms and fried grasshoppers, but blanches at the thought of eating raw broccoli. :D
Crazy4Thai
05-22-13, 01:55
My first post was very clear and explicit. Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, the USA and many other countries have double taxation treaties with Thailand, so citizens of those countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. I said NOTHING regarding the visa process.I know that you said nothing about the visa process and since you apparently think that my reference of it is irrelevant, I say you know nothing about living here.
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 02:10
I know that you said nothing about the visa process and since you apparently think that my reference of it is irrelevant, I say you know nothing about living here.I did not say the visa process is irrelevant. I wrote,"I said NOTHING regarding the visa process." Again, you completely miss construe what I wrote. My initial post only commented on the existence of treaties between Thailand and other countries that ensure citizens of those countries are nor obligated to pay Thai income tax on income that is being taxed by their home country.
You completely misunderstand my post. What I said was that you do NOT have to pay income taxes in Thailand. This is why they are not sending the tax man after you. Below is the link to a PDF containing the Taxation Convention Treaty between the United States and Thailand.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdfNo, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you. It's like the blind leading the blind because neither one of you knows what you are talking about, and as a result you both are misleading the membership here about a legal matter neither of you are qualified to intelligently discuss.
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USA
Do you get it now?
And by the way, Bionicman, since you ask, yes I am in fact a lawyer and have been an attorney for the last 42 years if that makes any difference to you.
LittleBigMan
05-22-13, 03:14
I was surprised to read in one of your earlier posts on this subject that you are from the United States, which I probably means English is your first language. Until I read that, I was assuming English is not your first language and something was getting lost in the translation. Now, I don't know what to make of you and the other guys who have made this last flurry of posts.
Bionicman's post posited a plausible explanation, that there are probably double taxation treaties covering this matter. My post was confirming that Bioninman is correct.
Thailand has double taxation treaties with New Zealand, Great Britain, Australia, the USA and many other countries. Citizens of these countries are NOT required to pay income taxes in Thailand. Here for example is the treaty between Thailand and the USA.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/thailand.pdf
Relax. No one is coming after you. By treaty, you do NOT owe any taxes to the Thai government as long as you are paying taxes in the USA (or what ever country you hold citizenship).
Now if you are not paying your taxes back home, you have a problem; and as the treaty only applies to people who are paying their taxes back home, you may also be creating a problem with the Thai government. If this is the case it is probably in your best interest to seek legal advice. I'm not an attorney, but I've been dealing with them for decades on a variety of matters, including complex contracts and taxes. I appreciate their expertise and services.I'll let you get in the last jab if you like? Just a reminder to you before I leave this subject? This topic and this forum check out the rules isn't about grammer or writing! I'll be the first to state although I'm from the USA it doesn't mean I got a " LiLLY WHITE EDUCATION " like yourself. I don't blame or resent the USA I have only myself to blame! People like you can't win a argument give them a little bit of slack and the race comes into it. People like you can't help themselves you are basically a hidden racist!
You might want to leave Bionicman out of this he isn't going to help you because the foot up your ass was placed there by yourself! I like everyone else including President Obama, VP Joe Bide, Apple will do what it takes to pay as little taxes or nothing at all. As for seeking seeking legal action or advice or creating a problem with the Thai government I have in the past and I'm done with their legal system now I do what I've always done " do my best and go down the right road as long as possible but here it is a eye for a eye as far as I'm concern " you can do what you like pay taxes and kiss lots of ass like you have been doing it seems to work for you!
This has nothing to do with complex contracts or taxes since we can't be as intelligent as you or a well educated American like yourself that holds a first class citizenship like yourself. See I am a American born and raise in the USA which is a vast country not all Lilly White with flowers where you came from. Get in your last word cite all laws and such but I'll do you a favor and end my portion here because you don't want to go further with me for your own sake. Take it as you like I just hope your first rate education gets you to understand what I just said. K. I. S. S. Keep it simple stupid!
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USAThank you for posting. Some of the recent posts have been confusing or not made any sense at all. I have discussed various visa options over the last year with the Thai Consulate in the US, but did not discuss the tax issue because I didn't think it was an issue until I started reading some of these posts. Also I have only recently given serious consideration to the retirement visa. Good to hear from someone who is actually there on a retirement visa.
LittleBigMan
05-22-13, 03:23
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you. It's like the blind leading the blind because neither one of you knows what you are talking about, and as a result you both are misleading the membership here about a legal matter neither of you are qualified to intelligently discuss.
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.
Now, on the other hand, if I became a Thai citizen, or changed my immigration status to resident; got a job here or established a business generating income here, then of course, I would be subject to paying Thailand income taxes. This is where your precious tax treaty would come into play. It provides that I would not be subjected to double taxation. If I'm paying Thai income taxes on income from Thailand I would't have to pay the same taxes on the same income to the USA government; and income I made from the USA could not be double taxed in both Thailand and the USA.
Daddy07,
Wow! All I can say is I'm a American and didn't get a first rate education and would never insult another person that the reason my point isn't valid is because I can't write as well like you. I'm not a lawyer but living here and simply reading the Thai law I could see that it doesn't apply as noted in the law!
Now why can't smart ass figure that out? Oh wait lets here what he has to say now? I'm sure when he gets through with kissing all the ass in his office along with the all the Thai asses he will find the time to go on Google and come up with another stupid reason just so he could be right. No wonder he is here working in Thailand who the hell wants another kiss ass in the USA
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425367]
[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1425360]No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstand MY post because. /QUOTE]Have only read the above post, not the previous to-ing and fro-ing. LBM seems to be talking sense. Am I right when I say, looks like if you are in Thailand to SPEND money your good to go. If your in Thailand to MAKE money, then there are tax considerations?
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 04:57
No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post because you are still clinging to the nonsense that Bionicman spoon fed you.Daddy07,
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I have a real interest in this issue and want to fully understand the tax implications of retiring in Thailand.
What caught my attention was the Sunbelt Legal answer to a question from a person who is living in Thailand on a "retirement stay," which I took to mean a retirement visa. I noted the similarities between Bionicman's post and the Sunbelt Legal answer. I understood Bionicman was suggesting this was a matter dealt with through double taxation treaties, something I have some familiarity with. His post sounded reasonable to me.
Now you also write:
The reason why I and other Thailand expats don't pay Thailand income taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with that tax treaty you keep bloviating about. It has to do with our immigration status, but you don't seem to accept that explanation favoring Bionicman's nonsense instead. I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.I am having difficulty reconciling what you are saying with the Sunbelt Legal answer to this question. Again, I am not trying to be argumentative. I just want to understand the issue. Their answer to the retired person living in Thailand seems to completely contradict what you are saying.
Sunbelt Legal states:
1."According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas."
They seem to be saying this is a tax issue and has nothing to do with the type of visa one has been issued; and they unequivocally state that everyone who stays in Thailand for over 180 days a year is required to file a tax return, even if their income is from overseas. Of course the tax return could show one owes no taxes to the Thai government.
2."According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income."
So they also state Thailand treats the proceeds from a pension as income.
3."Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If you country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand."
Now this seems to be the crux of the matter. They say, if you are paying taxes in your home country and it has a double taxation treaty with Thailand, you will owe no income tax in Thailand.
I understand Sunbelt Legal Asia is a Bangkok based Thai law firm with in house accountants who have expertise in Thai tax law.
My question is: who is right? I hope you are because that will make things simpler. However, I have few expectations that tax matters will ever be simple.
I took interest in this issue because Thailand is one of several countries I am considering living in when I retire in a few years. Tax implications are an important consideration for me. When PinkPearl first raised the issue he wrote,"Retiring in LOS is no good if you want to avoid paying Thai income taxes on non Thai income (such as a pension)" etc. This didn't seem right and I made a mental note to be sure to discuss this matter with a knowledgeable attorney at the appropriate time. When I ran across the Q&A in the legal section of Stickman's article I thought it would be useful to post the information.
Paul
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 05:24
Thank you for posting. Some of the recent posts have been confusing or not made any sense at all. I have discussed various visa options over the last year with the Thai Consulate in the US, but did not discuss the tax issue because I didn't think it was an issue until I started reading some of these posts. Also I have only recently given serious consideration to the retirement visa. Good to hear from someone who is actually there on a retirement visa.Hobbyist2,
You can read for yourself Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer, compare it to what some forum members are saying and draw your own conclusions. As for me, when the time comes I am going to talk to a good Thai law firm with expertise in Thai tax law.
Once again here is the complete text to the Sunbelt Legal Q&A:
Question 1: This is my first year on retirement stay in Thailand as a single man. No earning income activity here or abroad. Is it legal not to file an income tax here? If yes, can I obtain an official document to confirm it. Thanks.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisers responds: It's difficult to get too specific on the limited information but a broad answer would be that firstly it would depend on the length of your stay in Thailand. According the Revenue Code anyone who stays in Thailand for a total of 180 days a tax year are deemed a resident of Thailand for tax purposes and must file Thai taxes if they are earning income either domestically or overseas.
You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa (your savings, your gratuity or your pension). According to the Revenue Code under Section 40 funds like gratuity and pension will also be considered as income.
Has this funding been taxed at your home country prior to the transferring into Thailand? If no, then you will have to file (pay) taxes in Thailand. If yes, you will need to check to see if your home country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand. If your country has entered into a Double Taxation Treaty with Thailand, then you will not have to pay taxes in Thailand, but if there is no double taxation treaty, whether your source had paid tax on the transfer funds back at your home country, you would still need to file for Thai tax.
Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisors has an experienced accounting team, well versed in handling expat tax issues. We can provide assistance in helping you determine if you owe taxes or not.
Here is the link to the Stickman Weekly column containing this Q&A. The Sunbelt Legal Asia section is towards the end of the column.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Timeless-Patpong.htm
Good luck.
Paul
I'll let you get in the last jab if you like? Just a reminder to you before I leave this subject? This topic and this forum check out the rules isn't about grammer or writing! I'll be the first to state although I'm from the USA it doesn't mean I got a " LiLLY WHITE EDUCATION " like yourself. I don't blame or resent the USA I have only myself to blame! People like you can't win a argument give them a little bit of slack and the race comes into it. People like you can't help themselves you are basically a hidden racist!
You might want to leave Bionicman out of this he isn't going to help you because the foot up your ass was placed there by yourself! I like everyone else including President Obama, VP Joe Bide, Apple will do what it takes to pay as little taxes or nothing at all. As for seeking seeking legal action or advice or creating a problem with the Thai government I have in the past and I'm done with their legal system now I do what I've always done " do my best and go down the right road as long as possible but here it is a eye for a eye as far as I'm concern " you can do what you like pay taxes and kiss lots of ass like you have been doing it seems to work for you!
This has nothing to do with complex contracts or taxes since we can't be as intelligent as you or a well educated American like yourself that holds a first class citizenship like yourself. See I am a American born and raise in the USA which is a vast country not all Lilly White with flowers where you came from. Get in your last word cite all laws and such but I'll do you a favor and end my portion here because you don't want to go further with me for your own sake. Take it as you like I just hope your first rate education gets you to understand what I just said. K. I. S. S. Keep it simple stupid!Really? PK mentions grammar and now he's a hidden racist? WTF? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Seems to me you brought up racism and race. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex?
I will say I don't understand the moderation of this thread. I make a sarcastic comment to a member and my posts get nuked and I get a warning. You make threats against other members and nothing?
But that is neither here, nor there. Let's leave race out of this. You really don't want to go there.
LittleBigMan
05-22-13, 07:12
[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1425408]Really? PK mentions grammar and now he's a hidden racist? WTF? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Seems to me you brought up racism and race. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex?
I will say I don't understand the moderation of this thread. I make a sarcastic comment to a member and my posts get nuked and I get a warning. You make threats against other members and nothing?
But that is neither here, nor there. Let's leave race out of this. You really don't want to go there. [/QUOTE.
Where I'm from when a guy brings up and questions in his post regarding that I'm a American but write as if I'm not which of course you don't get it either is a racist comment. His comment is no different when I use to travel to North Carolina and I'm standing in line at Big Mac and a small white kid looks at me like he never seen a Asian before and ask " are you from here?"
If you are able to read between the lines he did his little research and saw that I was a American because he didn't understand my comments and didn't like the way I was writing or my grammar therefore now it isn't my first langauge? Let leave race out of this? I will go where it needs to go and that includes you. Race is everywhere on this board! I'll make sure the next time you take you white sheets to the laundry that they come back nice and iron for you to wear. You perceive whatever threats you want to make of it personally I don't care one why or another.
Do me and yourself a favor don't respond and put me on your ignore list.
I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before.From my reading it seems that it matters not what type of visa you have or no visa at all since, if you spend more than half a year in Thailand, then for tax purposes you are considered a "resident of Thailand" and also subject to paying taxes on your worldwide income, including income from another country. As many Thai legal & accounting sites state the following or its equivalent:
"An individual who lives in Thailand for more than the period or periods totaling at least 180 days in any tax (calendar) year is deemed to be a resident of Thailand. He is subject to tax on all assessable income derived from sources within the country, whether paid within or outside Thailand."
http://www.siam-legal.com/Business-in-Thailand/thailand-income-tax.php
A couple exceptions to the above are indicated as follows:
"Thai residents are taxed on their foreign source-income only if the income is brought into Thailand in the year it is derived (repatriation in later years is exempt from personal income tax)."
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/thailand-tax-rates.html
So the type of visa one has is entirely irrelevant to whether or not an individual is subject to paying Thai taxes.
Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.Incorrect as per that stated above. Moreover a retired expat living in Thailand could be recieving an income from various countries, including Thailand, rather than "solely from their home country", and do so without working or being employed in Thailand or elsewhere. All such incomes would be subject to Thai tax if brought into the Kingdom in the same year it is earned, obtained or paid out, such as for example a pension, annuity, rental income, investment earnings, etc.
Even a "tourist" may be subject to paying Thai tax on foreign (non Thai) income if he spends more than half of any calendar year "touring" in Thailand. It makes no difference if he considers himself a "guest" to LOS, uses tourist visas, any other type of visa or no visa at all.
BTW as regards your often use of the term "guests" to Thailand, in having read dozens of Thai tax law sites I've never seen one of them use that word. Perhaps you should define it & document from Thai legal sites and Thai tax law what you are referring to. If you are a lawyer of Thai or other law, that would be helpful in trying to support your case and explain clearly what you are talking about, so that it might be credible.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1425378][QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1425367]. No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstand MY post because. /QUOTE]Have only read the above post, not the previous to-ing and fro-ing. LBM seems to be talking sense. Am I right when I say, looks like if you are in Thailand to SPEND money your not involved in tax considerations. If your in Thailand to MAKE money, then there is involvement with Thai tax collectors?
LBM, am I right? Thanks.
Where I'm from when a guy brings up and questions in his post regarding that I'm a American but write as if I'm not which of course you don't get it either is a racist comment. His comment is no different when I use to travel to North Carolina and I'm standing in line at Big Mac and a small white kid looks at me like he never seen a Asian before and ask " are you from here?"
If you are able to read between the lines he did his little research and saw that I was a American because he didn't understand my comments and didn't like the way I was writing or my grammar therefore now it isn't my first langauge? Let leave race out of this? I will go where it needs to go and that includes you. Race is everywhere on this board! I'll make sure the next time you take you white sheets to the laundry that they come back nice and iron for you to wear. You perceive whatever threats you want to make of it personally I don't care one why or another.
Do me and yourself a favor don't respond and put me on your ignore list.
Well, you certainly are a big man when behind a keyboard.
But if you think that crying victim and playing the race card will suddenly stifle all criticism, you have another think coming.
It's hard to imagine the horror you must have felt when some dopey kid asked if you were from there. The pain, the ignominy, the humiliation. I'm surprised you were able to function at all for the rest of your life.
It may surprise you to know, but many of us have also been on the receiving end of racist remarks. Oddly enough, in my case, it's been mostly by Asians. I live in a heavily Chinese area. I eat at a lot of very authentic Chinese restaurants. You would not believe the looks and funny comments a lone white guy gets when he's the only one in the place. I've had people stop me and ask me if I was lost. But, you know what? Instead of pissing my pants I smiled, ate, enjoyed it and, after a couple of visits there was never another hint of a problem. BTW, have you ever been denied admittance to a place because you were white? I guess that sort of racism is OK because it's practiced by an Asian?
When my kid was going to school he had many run-ins with racist Asian kids who didn't like white kids and made no secret of that fact. After he punched a couple of them, and showed he wasn't a pussy, the problems stopped and they got along fine.
The point is, we could all just collapse in a whining quivering pile of jelly, or (in your case) walk around with a giant chip on our shoulder. Or we can toughen up a bit and learn to get along.
LittleBigMan
05-22-13, 12:33
Well, you certainly are a big man when behind a keyboard.
But if you think that crying victim and playing the race card will suddenly stifle all criticism, you have another think coming.
It's hard to imagine the horror you must have felt when some dopey kid asked if you were from there. The pain, the ignominy, the humiliation. I'm surprised you were able to function at all for the rest of your life.
It may surprise you to know, but many of us have also been on the receiving end of racist remarks. Oddly enough, in my case, it's been mostly by Asians. I live in a heavily Chinese area. I eat at a lot of very authentic Chinese restaurants. You would not believe the looks and funny comments a lone white guy gets when he's the only one in the place. I've had people stop me and ask me if I was lost. But, you know what? Instead of pissing my pants I smiled, ate, enjoyed it and, after a couple of visits there was never another hint of a problem. BTW, have you ever been denied admittance to a place because you were white? I guess that sort of racism is OK because it's practiced by an Asian?
When my kid was going to school he had many run-ins with racist Asian kids who didn't like white kids and made no secret of that fact. After he punched a couple of them, and showed he wasn't a pussy, the problems stopped and they got along fine.
The point is, we could all just collapse in a whining quivering pile of jelly, or (in your case) walk around with a giant chip on our shoulder. Or we can toughen up a bit and learn to get along.We all have life experience but as for the dopie kids it didn't bother me because it was taught by his dopie dad. You can't blame the kid for that.
I'm not going to debate with you as to whether you had a worse upbringing than me but I'm not the one bringing in the race card it was brought up in a way P. K. But I guess in your hurry to defend him or be offended by the so call race card you miss it but I guess it needs to be spelled out to you! In all the conversation or debate I ask you " what the hell does my race or the implication as to how I come across or write have anything to do with me being a American? Look at his past post where in any of the conversation in difference in point of view, where in any of my post regarding how I feel about so call taxes has anything to do with being a American?
Regardless, of your story I support way it happen I don't dispute any of it and racism is racism no matter what color. I myself grew up having the same thing happen to me but my response to him not you was not brought up at anytime by me.
As for the hiding behind a computer and being a big man. It works both ways I'm not the only one writing behind the computer! If it bothers you and this isn't a threat and but you brought it up and I hope Jackson or the moderator understands the position I'm taking. I live in Thailand, two or three times of the year I make trips home to the California and I will be making trips soon to Burma, Mai Sai area north of Thailand and into Hong Kong and China!
I live otherwise mainly in Pattaya and have no problem coming into Bangkok or any area you live or travel to personally resolve this matter if you feel I'm hiding behind the computer. I haven't made any direct threats to anyone on this board but only saying I have no intention of paying any type of tax as suggested by other posters and if taxes are to be collected from me here my assumption is that they will be Thai? I came here to live with the best intention but it hasn't worked out as I planned. I didn't built this chip it was done by the Thais that I have encounter and I have put up with more shit from them and still I don't hate them but if they want their taxes that is another thing?
I have no problem with you but you are defending a statement made by another poster I made a responds to a remark I felt was racist since the discussion had nothing to do with me being a American or Not! You also missed his jab to others who disagree with his view regarding " Intelligents " I admired your fortitude for defending the guy but the ball is in your court as to whether you want to defend him further?
The ball is in your court just let me know.
Hobbyist2,
You can read for yourself Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer, compare it to what some forum members are saying and draw your own conclusions. As for me, when the time comes I am going to talk to a good Thai law firm with expertise in Thai tax law.
Good luck.
PaulThanks, but I will just check with the Thai Consulate. I hope to contact them today. Also, I don't make decisions of that type based on info from internet forums. I prefer to go straight to the source. At least D 07 is actually there on a retirement visa so I would be more likely to believe his story.
My interest in the retirement visa would be for convenience, so I could visit for numerous months without making visa runs. I qualify for it, but I have no intention of living in Thailand on a permanent basis. Although that could be an option at some point down the road.
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 14:55
Thanks, but I will just check with the Thai Consulate. I hope to contact them today. Also, I don't make decisions of that type based on info from internet forums. I prefer to go straight to the source. At least D 07 is actually there on a retirement visa so I would be more likely to believe his story.I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate. I think it would be very helpful if you were to post what you learn. I would also check with a Thai tax specialist. Would you talk to the US State Department about a US tax matter? The Thai Consulate is run by Thailand's equivalent. If I was dealing with a US Consulate that had an in-house tax specialist, I'd still talk to an experienced CPA with income tax expertise.
I hope Daddy07 is correct; however, his opinion seems to be contradicted by Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer to the man living in Thailand on a retirement visa. Knowing the man has a retirement visa, the first issue they raise is the number of days in the year a person stays in Thailand (180 days). They then state that everyone who passes this threshold is required to file taxes in Thailand. Sounds like a person staying in Thailand on a series of tourist visas by making frequent boarder runs is subject to filing Thai taxes if he stays in Thailand for over 180 days; however, this person may not owe any Thai taxes. They go on to add that a pension is considered taxable income. Note here they write,"You will then need to consider the type of funding used to apply for your retirement visa." They close by stating owing taxes is determined by whether you pay taxes in your home country and your country has a double taxation treaty.
Their answer is clear to me. So now the question is whether Sunbelt Legal Asia knows what they are talking about. They are a Bangkok law firm who represent themselves as having Thai tax law expertise. Daddy07 says he is an attorney with many years of legal experience. Where was his legal practice? In Thailand? Is he also a Thai chartered accountant? Does he have formal knowledge of Thai tax law? He may know what he's talking about. However, every week Sunbelt Legal Asia answers legal questions in Stickman's column. Would he have them as a regular section in his column if they did not know what they are talking about?
Finally, I also found an online article by CNBC on retiring in Thailand. The article was in part based on information from the Tourism Authority of Thailand. In one section, here is what CNBC wrote. "An individual is considered a Thai resident, and therefore subject to taxation, if they're in the country for at least 180 days during the calendar year." So this article also states that the number of days is the deciding factor.
Regardless, when the time comes, I'm going to talk to a Thai chartered accountant who deals with such matters.
No, Paul, it is you who completely misunderstands MY post . I am in Thailand on a non-immigrant retirement visa which means that I am not an immigrant or resident of Thailand, but only a GUEST in the country like I explained to you before. Guests such as tourists and retirement expats are not subject to paying Thailand income taxes because our income is solely derived from our home countries.Finally, a credible post on this topic. Makes perfect sense.
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 16:58
Finally, a credible post on this topic. Makes perfect sense.Are you sure this is credible or are you just hopeful? Read any of my posts that quote word for word what a Thai law firm with tax law expertise has to say on this matter. They seem to completely contradict what Daddy07 is saying. A little while ago I spent about 30 minutes looking online for information on this topic. I found information that corroborates various parts of the Sunbelt Law Asia answer to this question and contradicted nothing they stated. I did not find one other source that corroborates any part of Daddy07's claim. I am not an expert on this matter. I do not think Daddy07 is an expert on this matter. Notice that in their answer Sunbelt law makes specific reference to section of the Thai Revenue Code. Does Daddy07 provide any corroborative evidence for his assertion?
I'll repeat myself. I hope Daddy07 is right and I am getting worked up over nothing. I just cannot reconcile what he says and what Sunbelt Law says.
All I know is that I am going to talk to the Thai Consulate and a Thai law firm that deals with this stuff before I begin executing any plans to retire in Thailand.
This is too important a matter for me to rely on what anyone on this forum (first person included) has to say. I'm going to talk to real experts.
I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate. I think it would be very helpful if you were to post what you learn.
I hope Daddy07 is correct; however, his opinion seems to be contradicted by Sunbelt Legal Asia's answer to the man living in Thailand on a retirement visa.I tried to contact the same consulate that I communicated with in the past and all I get is recordings that describe the process, but no option to talk with a real person. I will try again and also see if there is an email option.
Of course I will share any info I get. I know there are contradictions from seemingly notable sources here. That is why there is more homework to do to give me the confidence I need so I can make the correct choices. Since Daddy07 is there with the retirement visa, I give that extra credibility.
Thanks for your efforts and I hope we settle this to satisfy all of our concerns.
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 21:54
I tried to contact the same consulate that I communicated with in the past and all I get is recordings that describe the process, but no option to talk with a real person. I will try again and also see if there is an email option.
Of course I will share any info I get. I know there are contradictions from seemingly notable sources here. That is why there is more homework to do to give me the confidence I need so I can make the correct choices. Since Daddy07 is there with the retirement visa, I give that extra credibility.
Thanks for your efforts and I hope we settle this to satisfy all of our concerns.Getting a real person on the telephone at a consulate can be a problem. Good luck.
I don't have the expertise to sort through the contradictions; and I hope Daddy07 is right. I don't care if I'm right or wrong. I just want to know the answer.
A few hours ago I sent an email to Stickman detailing the contradictions and asking him to get Sunbelt Legal Asia to comment. On their website they claim to be Thailand's largest legal and business service network and to have been in operation in Bangkok since 1979. Immigration and taxes are two of their practice area. I may get no response, but if I learn anything I will share in a future post.
I think you are very wise to check with the Thai Consulate.What is stated in your post is pretty uch common to many countries, ie the 180 day rules, the reciprocal taxation or avoidance of double taxation etc etc First of it is all pretty much common sense, it is meant to avoid somebody slips out of control getting into nowhere land.
Just as lots of people think that buying through internet will avoid local taxes (and also the sending country taxes) : government are there to collect taxes and money. Customs are the arm of this procedure. Still people says it is cheapre to buy from internet, till the parcel arrives in "his" customs office and an import duty bill is reaised. There are indeed things slipping out of control but often based in false declarations.
Paul Kausch
05-22-13, 22:34
What is stated in your post is pretty much common to many countries, ie the 180 day rules, the reciprocal taxation or avoidance of double taxation etc etc First of it is all pretty much common sense, it is meant to avoid somebody slips out of control getting into nowhere land.
Just as lots of people think that buying through internet will avoid local taxes (and also the sending country taxes) : government are there to collect taxes and money. Customs are the arm of this procedure. Still people says it is cheaper to buy from internet, till the parcel arrives in "his" customs office and an import duty bill is raised. There are indeed things slipping out of control but often based in false declarations.You seem to know what you're talking about regarding the 180 days rules and tax agreements. I've never had to deal with either, but have known people who have, all in the context of work. I don't know that much about retirement yet. The Sunbelt legal answer also made sense.
It would be nice if Daddy07 is right, but I'll be very surprised if he is. What he is claiming would be a huge loophole that does not benefit the sort of people government revenue agencies try to favor.
as many thai legal & accounting sites state the following or its equivalent:
"an individual who lives in thailand for more than the period or periods totaling at least 180 days in any tax (calendar) year is deemed to be a resident of thailand. he is subject to tax on all assessable income derived from sources within the country, whether paid within or outside thailand."
http://www.siam-legal.com/business-in-thailand/thailand-income-tax.php
a couple exceptions to the above are indicated as follows:
"thai residents are taxed on their foreign source-income only if the income is brought into thailand in the year it is derived (repatriation in later years is exempt from personal income tax)."so this "law" you quote provides that a resident is subject to tax on income derived from sources within the country; but then you quote an exception which provides that tax on foreign source income is assessed only if the income is brought into thailand, etc.
plainly, these two provisions contradict each other and as such this so-called "internet source law" makes no sense.
all the money i have in thailand is derived from sources in my home country. the thai authorities know how much i bring in to the penney. i report it every year and they get a copy of my bank account ledger so they know exactly all the details of my finances. yet these thai government authorities have never required me to file a thai tax return nor have they ever assessed thai income taxes against me. and i've been living here continually for almost 6 years now; thats a bit more than 180 days by my calculations.
am i supposed to ask them whether they want me to pay income taxes?
i have never heard of a single instance in which a thai expat holding a nonimmigrant retirement visa, much less a tourist, has been required to pay a thailand income taxes and i know there are some very rich expats and tourists who have been her for years.
yes, i'm a lawyer but i certainly don't claim or pretend to know everything there is to know about thai law. i wasn't trained in thai law so i admit i could be wrong. i do know that i have had extensive dealings with the thai immigration authorities. i report to them every 90 days. i provide complete financial information to them every year, yet not once has the subject of thailand income taxes ever been mentioned; not a peep about it.
i also know that i don't go around looking for opportunities to pay more taxes. i file a tax return every year in the usa my home country. if i didn't file one they would come after me and force me to do it or put me in jail. i've never filed a tax return in thailand because i'm not required to do so. if i was, the authorities would come after me. after all, they know where i am and how much money i bring into their country. they know everything!
it would be different if i were receiving money from sources in thailand. i said that before. but in order for me to get a job in thailand or establish a business here to earn money in thailand i would have to change my immigration status and i would no longer be considered just a guest here.
so i think that all this hysterical bullshit about expats and tourists having to file tax returns and pay income taxes in thailand if they are here more than 180 days on money they receive in their home country is just not based upon reality but speculation, rumor and conjecture instead.
it's a lot of worry over nothing.
btw -- pinky, old man; i know you've lived in thailand for a fairly long time, and seem to know all about thailand tax laws judging from your quotes above.
did you file your thailand income tax return this year? how about last year? have you ever filed one?
so this "law" you quote provides that a resident is subject to tax on income derived from sources within the country; but then you quote an exception which provides that tax on foreign source income is assessed only if the income is brought into thailand, etc.
plainly, these two provisions contradict each other and as such this so-called "internet source law" makes no sense.point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"tax is levied as follows: pensions and retirement pay brought into thailand."
that is the unanimous opinion of all the thai legal sites i've seen on the subject as well as the thai tax law itself, which i've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link. you might try reading it sometime, eh?
all the money i have in thailand is derived from sources in my home country. the thai authorities know how much i bring in to the penney. i report it every year and they get a copy of my bank account ledger so they know exactly all the details of my finances. yet these thai government authorities have never required me to file a thai tax return nor have they ever assessed thai income taxes against me. and i've been living here continually for almost 6 years now; thats a bit more than 180 days by my calculations.
am i supposed to ask them whether they want me to pay income taxes?you should talk to or refer to tax authorities about tax matters, not immigration people. why should immigration people baby you about matters that don't concern them? when you go to your barber do you seek medical help?
you should know the laws re your responsibilities before you enter a country or ignorantly break those laws, such as what may happen to you if you speak uncouthly about the royalty of the kingdom or your responsibility to file a thai income tax return.
are you aware of the extremely heavy penalties if you do not file in siam, owe taxes there & are caught?
i have never heard of a single instance in which a thai expat holding a nonimmigrant retirement visa, much less a tourist, has been required to pay a thailand income taxes and i know there are some very rich expats and tourists who have been her for years.have you asked any of them if they filed a return or owe taxes? perhaps not because it is none of your business. but if you did ask them, what did they say? if they filed a return they may have not owed any tax because they did not bring any, or enough, monies into thailand in the year it was earned to owe anything. very "rich expats" would probably have little trouble avoiding paying thai taxes since they would likely be able to bring into los monies and live off of the same monies that were not earned in the same year they were brought in. iow monies that were not taxable. so they owe no income tax to thailand.
i'd suggest you should speak to some thai tax lawyers & accountants & see how many expat retirees they have helped to file or pay their thai taxes. they will tell you that by law you are required to file a thai tax return since you are a tax "resident of thailand". i'll look forward to you reporting back here what they tell you, though i'm sure it will not surprise me.
yes, i'm a lawyer but i certainly don't claim or pretend to know everything there is to know about thai law. i wasn't trained in thai law so i admit i could be wrong. i do know that i have had extensive dealings with the thai immigration authorities. i report to them every 90 days. i provide complete financial information to them every year, yet not once has the subject of thailand income taxes ever been mentioned; not a peep about it.you & thousands of others. yet immigration grunts are not tax authorities. why should they care about your responsibility to file a thai tax return & pay any taxes to thailand that you are owing? it isn't their job any more than your mps job to help you pay your taxes. the only thing on their mind is what they are going to eat for their next meal, spicy som tam or a bug sandwich.
i also know that i don't go around looking for opportunities to pay more taxes. i file a tax return every year in the usa my home country. if i didn't file one they would come after me and force me to do it or put me in jail. i've never filed a tax return in thailand because i'm not required to do so. if i was, the authorities would come after me. after all, they know where i am and how much money i bring into their country. they know everything!you are required by thai law to pay taxes, as i've amply proven.
the thai tax authorities do not "know everything". if you've never filed a tax return, they may not even know you exist. who is going to tell them? someone you blabbed to in a bar, perhaps? an angry ex tgf who knows about your financial situation? then you may be fucked. are you willing to risk it, with the severe penalties involved, and the comforts of a friendly thai "hilton" in lumpini reserved for you? see the stickman article i posted for more info on this.
knowing "how much money you bring into their country" would not equate to thai tax authorities knowing if you owe any taxes to them. they would also need to know when it was earned & brought in. furthermore, if a person declared a much lesser amount than they actually brought in, it might be difficult for them to prove otherwise. how would they know how much money you brought in? do they keep track of all your atm, bank, travellers check, etc, transactions in siam? how would they know how much cash a guy brings across the border, let alone what tax year it was earned in?
it would be different if i were receiving money from sources in thailand. i said that before. but in order for me to get a job in thailand or establish a business here to earn money in thailand i would have to change my immigration status and i would no longer be considered just a guest here.plenty of people in your position work "under the table" in thailand without changing their "immigration status". but that is another issue. but know this, under thai tax law you are not considered a "guest" in the kingdom, but a "resident of thailand", and therefore required to file a thai tax return and pay any monies owed, just like any thai born citizen who has lived in the country his entire life. anybody who denies this simply hasn't read or understood what every thai tax lawyer & the thai tax law itself unanimously say. go research it yourself if you don't believe me. i've already cited several authorities and paul kausch added a few more re the 180 day rule.
so i think that all this hysterical bullshit about expats and tourists having to file tax returns and pay income taxes in thailand if they are here more than 180 days on money they receive in their home country is just not based upon reality but speculation, rumor and conjecture instead.
it's a lot of worry over nothing.i think if you end up in the "thai hilton" you'll be singing another tune.
it may be unlikely to occur, but i wouldn't rule out the possibility of it happening, or the possibility that it has already happened to some expats. i have yet to research it, but thai tax lawyers may know of some cases. it's there in the law, so thai authorities can enforce it should they wish to do so, whether it's to get revenge on someone or get tea money or both.
i suggest that they may have little interest to do so. my theory is that they want to encourage human atms like you into the country. enforcing the tax law on all expats, many of whom owe taxes to los but are not paying them, would result in a mass exodus of said atms from the kingdom to tax friendly havens elsewhere. moreover it would be a hell of a lot of work to sift through the haystack of expats seeking to find those who owe taxes, prove it, and make them pay. what would stop caught tax evaders from catching the next bus across the border? proving the amount of finances brought into los by an individual could be difficult, let alone those monies earned in the same tax year & therefore taxable. if i were governing los, i would not bother pursuing these people, realizing that not going after them for taxes feeds a lot more monies into thai pockets than would result from the opposite course of action.
a much better way to empty these atms is to first get them into your country. then they'll be pumping into the nation monies for various things like accomodations, food, women. they'll be investing & depositing 800k for retirement, which sometimes mysteriously disappears from thai banks like kasikorn. of course the bank can't do anything about it & won't recompense your stolen baht. this is how to get the farangs monies, not taxes. or get him into the country, marry a tg, then mysteriously slip off a high balcony. there are many ways a tg can drain a farang's "assets". and thai men are in on the game too.
btw. pinky, old man; i know you've lived in thailand for a fairly long time, and seem to know all about thailand tax laws judging from your quotes above.
did you file your thailand income tax return this year? how about last year? have you ever filed one?unlike you i am a true "guest" to thailand, as i visit the kingdom for less than half a year in each 365 day calendar. therefore i have both no obligation to pay taxes or even file a return.
guests such as you call yourself, who live in siam ft, are subject to paying thai taxes on non thai income brought into the kingdom in the year it is obtained. it makes no difference what visa you have, no visa, if you are the prince of kazikstan or the reincarnation of mother teresa.
bottom line. lbm is correct, as anyone who's spent years in los should know, that various laws are not enforced. or enforced on a whim, when & where & to whom thai authorities wish. usually to farang atms, not poor thais. like the uturn law in pattaya that was landing people there in jail. lbm said he'd never heard of this & often did uturns without a problem. soon after that post he disappeared for several months. i guess he learned that sometimes thai laws are enforced, even if you don't know about them or believe they exist. lol.
point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"tax is levied as follows: pensions and retirement pay brought into thailand."
that is the unanimous opinion of all the thai legal sites i've seen on the subject as well as the thai tax law itself, which i've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link.well, pink, you have interpreted what you think the law is as applied to my situation, but i am not convinced that i am responsible on my own to file a tax return in thailand, or that i am liable for taxes on the retirement pension i bring into the country to satisfy my daily living requirements. look, i have disclosed to the thai government every fact it needs to know as to my tax liability. what the thai immigration authorities know, the thai government knows, including the tax authorities if they care to know. i've filed my returns in the usa on money i've received there. i receive no monies in thailand, so even on the off chance that i'd have to file a return, i could not be subject to double taxation on the same money and therefore i would have no tax liability.
now, we hear stories all the time in news about ****s and other foreign criminals who have violated the laws in thailand, but not one single story about a rich farang who now resides in the bangkok hilton for failure to file an income tax return. no farang has complained about such a requirement in any forum that i have read. in short, such a thing is unheard of. so you can cite all these internet laws until you are blue in the face, but if they are never enforced, if no farang is ever arrested and imprisoned on account of them, then there is absolutely no reason to worry about them. it's just a lot of hysterical bullshit over nothing.
good try at attempting to scare me though. i appreciate your efforts but i'm not exactly quaking in my boots. it's a shame that all this hysteria about phantom tax laws will probably scare mr. paul and others off from enjoying a great retirement experience in thailand. you don't pay income taxes here, neither do i, nor lbm (who incidentally didn't disappear because of a u-turn) , nor any other farang in the kingdom who is here on a nonimmigrant retirement visa and receives no income for sources in thailand.
Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.
Dextro Sol
05-23-13, 11:16
Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?
Point taken, but you should have read a little further into the article where it states:
"Tax is levied as follows: Pensions and retirement pay brought into Thailand."
That is the unanimous opinion of all the Thai legal sites I've seen on the subject as well as the Thai tax law itself, which I've read and previously quoted recently in this thread with a link. You might try reading it sometime, eh?
You should talk to or refer to tax authorities about tax matters, not immigration people. Why should immigration people baby you about matters that don't concern them? When you go to your barber do you seek medical help? .Well said. Just The same reason why when One enters a country he goes through immigration to see if he is allowed to get into the country, then afterwards, once he can physically enter, he goes through CUSTOMS. British call it customs & excise, others call it customs and revenue, whatever, that is the place where you have the last chance to voluntarily declare anything "too much" before they find it for you, LOL.
Not for nothing the customs forms has to be signed and it is often validated by the immigration officer as an official statement.
All countries have similar rules as they have to cash taxes to survive.
A very basic principle. A they want them unless paid elsewhere.
Countries are not happy one tries to speculate and create his own grey area, not paying neither country.
Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?This is one of the bigger religious holidays so I would expect closure.
I had a Nana girl a couple of days ago and she said they had Friday off.
I lean more towards closure than being open.
Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.Congratulations, Scorchin! Only 16 posts and Jackson has appointed you moderator of the Thailand General Reports Forum. Now, while you are at it, why don't you follow your own advice? Ninety percent of us are not interested in having a newbie nanny telling us what to write about in the General Reports thread.
Visakha Bucha is tomorrow, Friday.
About an hour ago I popped by Bier Gardon for a beer and have a look at this afternoons selection. Not much to hang in the Christmas tree as we use to say in my country. I asked the waitress if they are open tomorrow and she said yes.
Could this really be possible? I thougt the whole city would be dead tomorrow.
You who live or has been here before during holidays, will there be anything open tomorrow. Massage shops, gogo's, SOL?Massage open, gogos closed. Some bars may be open. Biergarden may be open because it is a restaurant. Also, I heard some discos were open on the last big holiday.
After midnight, some of the street bars might set up shop.
well, pink, you have interpreted what you think the law is as applied to my situation, but i am not convinced that i am responsible on my own to file a tax return in thailand, or that i am liable for taxes on the retirement pension i bring into the country to satisfy my daily living requirements.it is undeniable that, according to the law,"tax residents of thailand" are required to file and pay if anything is owed. according to practice may be another thing, but as no one here is omniscient as to all that happens in los, it cannot be said with certainty that the thai revenue department has never gone after a farang retired expat tax evader for taxes owing on foreign income such as a pension. certainly the thai revenue people have been known to go after other types of tax evaders. moreover, as a poster on a thai visa forum opined:
"not much to laugh about if the tax authorities change their mind how to proceed and those of us (including me) who pay no taxes (as they should according to the law) are prosecuted for tax evasion."
if you are a gambling man & want to take that risk, up to you. others may prefer to play it more safe and abide by the law.
look, i have disclosed to the thai government every fact it needs to know as to my tax liability. what the thai immigration authorities know, the thai government knows, including the tax authorities if they care to know. i've filed my returns in the usa on money i've received there. i receive no monies in thailand, so even on the off chance that i'd have to file a return, i could not be subject to double taxation on the same money and therefore i would have no tax liability.double taxation may not exempt one from paying taxes to thailand in such a situation, according to the following opinions, but may merely minimize what you owe:
"the provisions of these tax treaties minimize or exempt certain types of income from taxation."
http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/thailand/taxation/taxation.php
"it appears that if i were to pay thai taxes on my expected pension income, thailand would give me credit for the taxes that i would have to pay under us federal income tax system. due to a us-thailand tax treaty. but, i would have to pay additional taxes, which would go to thailand, because its income tax rates are higher than the us."
"almost all double tax agreements contain a clause which entitles the "secondary" tax authority to levy the difference between taxes already paid and taxes due."
"example: if a thai resident earns income 'x' in country 'a' having a double tax agreement with thailand and pays the amount 'y' in country 'a' which is less than thai income tax 'z' then thai tax authorities can levy the difference between 'z' and 'y' assuming 'z' is greater than 'y'."
"that's the legal part. what happens in "real life" might be a different story."
"jailing people for not paying taxes is a favorite weapon of the us government."
now, we hear stories all the time in news about ****s and other foreign criminals who have violated the laws in thailand, but not one single story about a rich farang who now resides in the bangkok hilton for failure to file an income tax return. no farang has complained about such a requirement in any forum that i have read. in short, such a thing is unheard of. so you can cite all these internet laws until you are blue in the face, but if they are never enforced, if no farang is ever arrested and imprisoned on account of them, then there is absolutely no reason to worry about them. it's just a lot of hysterical bullshit over nothing.that is an excellent point. a very important one that i have addressed above & in a previous post or two.
you seem extremely confident in your position. so you should have no worries about testing it by putting into practice what this guy said:
"try to go and pay tax here in the revenue department and they'll laugh you out of the door if you do not have a work permit."
i would suggest that there are people in your position who do file a thai tax return and some who also even pay income taxes to thailand. just ask some thai tax lawyers. i'm sure they'd know. they have many sites on the internet telling farangs in your position that they may owe taxes, so isn't it naïve to think they'd have no customers interested in staying at peace with thai tax law? i can't wait to hear your report on isg what they told you.
good try at attempting to scare me though. i appreciate your efforts but i'm not exactly quaking in my boots. it's a shame that all this hysteria about phantom tax laws will probably scare mr. paul and others off from enjoying a great retirement experience in thailand. you don't pay income taxes here, neither do i, nor lbm (who incidentally didn't disappear because of a u-turn) , nor any other farang in the kingdom who is here on a nonimmigrant retirement visa and receives no income for sources in thailand.i challenge you to "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak.
i challenge you to put mr. paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. if they laugh you out of the building, then mr paul has nothing to worry about. if they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. i'll be looking forward to your report.
either way, the truth is always going to soil someone's undies. others it will empower to make informed intelligent choices towards the goal of a happy future. so i don't apologize for speaking it. you either speak it or return to the dark ages.
Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.There are well over 20 threads about Thailand, a handful of them have "generic but useful" topics, not strictly sex realted. And you are moaning about a doze or two of messages about tax? In the GENERAL thread? What do you want us to talk about in here? Let us know.
I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?
Do think you guys could start a separate thread on tax in Thailand. Ninety percent of us are not interested and prefer discussing fucking.Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.
Scorchin, Its generally considered that this is the Thread for stuff unrelated to fucking. You should not bother to read this thread at all. Why waste your time? I don't read many other Threads since their topics are of no use to me and I cannot provide anything useful as well. E. G. I have not been to Pattaya for over 15 years so I don't bother to read that thread.Arn't half sensitive. I am sure there are other fora where you can indulge in tax discussions.
Just because several of you with all the time in the world topmost daily if not more often I think you unwise to think you own any thread.
The ISG is about sex. General ought to be about general issues of sex. I certainly would not, even were it relevant, look for tax advice here.
But if my gentle suggestion offends, please continue to discuss it. Rather than tax.
I challenge you to put Mr. Paul, whoever that is, at ease by going to the Thai revenue people & reporting back here that they kicked you out of the building when you tried to pay your taxes. If they laugh you out of the building, then Mr Paul has nothing to worry about. If they make you pay, then maybe his concerns are justified. I'll be looking forward to your report.Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?
Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.
In your dreams, Pink.
I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.
I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.
Those of you who are interested in a fun method for learning how to read and speak some Thai, should check out this site:
http://thailanguageflashcards.com/
Can you please be specific in what place you saw?
How much they charge, age, can speak english, photos if any?
Yes. You can find them in all those places if you look hard enough. I've found a few.
Sorry guys for posting here.
I'm going to get some time off from my dear BKK for Hk wan chai area 4 about 2 weeks next month
Would love to get some PM about good places or outcall girls for HJ / BBBJ
The forum about Hk is rather weak I'd say.
So that is why I'm posting here hoping for some tigers help.
Thank all
Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?I believe that's what I referred to when speaking about putting your "money where your mouth is". Shouldn't be anything to worry about since, as you claim, they "know everything" about you & your finances already, right? But if that's too much trouble, picking up the phone or an email might be easier, either to the revenue authorities or some tax lawyers or both. I wouldn't want you to go out of your way to ease the fearful minds of the Mr Pauls of this world, so they can retire happily in LOS!
Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.
In your dreams, Pink.So now you've changed your tune 180 degrees? You are scared of the big bad Thai tax man? Before you were singing a different song about hysterical nonsense, them being baby bunny rabbits who could care less about taxing people such as you, & the like. Now all of a sudden they are crocodiles who'd love to eat you alive & drain you of every penny you have.
I challenge you to find and report to us just one verified instance of a foreign expat living in Thailand on a non immigration retirement visa who was prosecuted by the law for failing to file a tax return and pay income taxes on his Social Security pension. You can't get in any potential trouble for that, Pink. Can you do it? If you can, I'll be willing to concede to your Thailand tax expertise.I'm not sure the Thai government controlled media would be aware of, or interested in, or allowed to report a case where such a farang paid a fine for tax evasion, whether for 100 baht or one billion baht. Or a case where a 500K bribe was paid under the table to avoid paying 10 million. Who would report the latter case, the officer who received the bribe? LOL. The guy who paid it & doesn't want to pay the full amount or have a mysterious accident slipping off a 20th floor balcony?
In the unlikely event a guy like you even posted about being caught for tax evasion, due to being ratted on by an angry ex TGF, or whatever, it may take me my next 10 incarnations to find it. But if you're up to the task of searching out thousands of obscure online sites re Thailand to discover such gems, feel free. I wouldn't want to return here with it, only to hear you say it wasn't "verified" by God.
I'll be spending my time focusing on relaxing in a more tax friendly haven:
"Overseas income derived outside Singapore, Singapore dividends and bank interest are tax exempt in Singapore."
http://iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=9790
"Any income arising from sources outside Singapore and received in Singapore on or after 1 Jan 2004 by an individual (other than partners of a partnership) is exempt from tax."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_income_tax_in_Singapore
So now you've changed your tune 180 degrees? You are scared of the big bad Thai tax man?No, Pink, my tune is still the same; not scared of baby bunnies or crocodiles, or the Thai tax man; just not interested in wasting my time running around looking for opportunities to bait the Thai tax officials with such trivial nonsense.
Judging from the rest of your post, it seems that you are now ready to admit there is no evidence that expats in my situation are liable to file income tax returns or pay income taxes in Thailand on their Social Security pension income from the US or any other nation. Otherwise you would have accepted my challenge.
There are thousands of expats just like me in Pattaya alone, so there must be tens of thousands of us or more in Thailand. I see hundreds of them every 3 months at the immigration office for their 90 day report, and hundreds more at the US embassy outreach meetings to have their pension income verified for the Thai government affidavit every year. Not one of them has ever been known to have filed a Thai income tax return, been held liable to pay Thai income taxes or been prosecuted for failure to do so. Like I said, and I think you will now agree, it is unheard of. I've never heard of such a thing nor has any expat that I know; no newspaper articles, no complaints on forums, nothing. And you apparently cannot demonstrate otherwise with just one instance.
So why don't we put this topic to bed once and for all before our newbie friend Scorchin has another hissy fit. I agree with him that the subject of taxation is enough to bore the bark off trees. I too would much rather talk about fucking.
Western787
05-25-13, 08:39
Interesting video on the reaction to the recent Saturday Night Live skit (in USA) making fun of Thailand's sex tourist reputation, with the usual ballbusters and rescue industry types making their usual paternalistic assertions and claims that deem all providers as helpless dupes.
Its a very lively discussion with a couple busy body NGO types versus a couple of blokes, one guy a monger, the other one a statistician who has extensively studied sex workers in the USA and in Bangkok.
If these NGO ("all prostitution is violence") busy body types have their way, adult to adult fully consentual P4P worldwide worldwide would be erradicated, leaving basically the wealthy with their mistress arrangements untouched, thus proving their entire argument derives from an elitist view of the world.
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/thailand-snl/5112d5f62b8c2a4b120002b8
Can you please be specific in what place you saw?
How much they charge, age, can speak english, photos if any?More specific?
You want me to tell you what street corner? ; draw you a map? ; provide a photo; assess their English skills? ; report their age? ; address? ; telephone numbers? ; price schedule? ; education? ; job history? ; health history? ; criminal record? ; number of weeks pregnant? ; make an appointment for you? ' do all of that just for you?
Jeez, man, do you want me to hold your dick for you too while you fuck them? You need help with that?
I'm sure the ones I've had have given birth to their babies long ago and are no longer pregnant. I paid them 500 baht. Sorry, I didn't take photo's or compile statistics on them but they are young girls who needed money for their babies. These types of girls move around. They don't stay in one place. They're hookers after all who just happen to be pregnant, usually by accident, and they need cash. You have to look for them to find them. Take a stroll down Beach Road in Pattaya and it's likely you will find one or two out of hundreds of girls.
Can't you do part of it yourself?
No, Pink, my tune is still the same; not scared of baby bunnies or crocodiles, or the Thai tax man; just not interested in wasting my time running around looking for opportunities to bait the Thai tax officials with such trivial nonsense.I suspect that it could be costly for tax evaders to inform the revenue authorities about it. Since if they had never heard of such a guy being busted, then they might have a firsthand experience of it after doing so. Whether or not it ever got reported on the 6 PM news or paid off "under the table" in secret.
Judging from the rest of your post, it seems that you are now ready to admit there is no evidence that expats in my situation are liable to file income tax returns or pay income taxes in Thailand on their Social Security pension income from the US or any other nation.Aside from Thai law clearly stating they must do so? There may be cases out there to be dug up, who knows? I'm not omnipresent. Hence my suggestions to contact the revenue people, tax lawyers, etc. They'd be in a better position than you or I to know about specific cases, don't you agree? I suspect they have quite a few of such types filing and paying. I wouldn't be surprised if some farangs have done so after a period of tax evasion. I wouldn't even be surprised if such a farang who has been evading has gone to the revenue authorities, inquired about it, and then forced to pay, with heavy fines. But the authorities & experts would be more likely to be privy to that info, rather than us.
So just because you've never heard of something occurring doesn't mean it hasn't already or couldn't on any given day to come. Have you ever heard of a farang like Bob on a retirement visa & doing private internet work in his home ever being busted for working in Thailand:
http://government.ezinemark.com/tax-liability-for-foreigners-in-thailand-7d34e176cdd3.html
The penalties for doing what Bob does, according to the article: "up to a year in jail and a fine of up to 10,000 baht" and his "retirement visa could be revoked".
The bottom line, in the above opinion?"The chances of him getting caught, provided he keeps his mouth shut about his work when he's down at the pub having some bevvies, is almost nil. However, the reality is that what he is doing is illegal and there are real penalties if he is caught."
Some people are willing to take that gamble of not being caught. Others prefer to play it safe & legal or feel it a moral obligation to be tax paying law abiding citizens.
There are thousands of expats just like me in Pattaya alone, so there must be tens of thousands of us or more in Thailand. I see hundreds of them every 3 months at the immigration office for their 90 day report, and hundreds more at the US embassy outreach meetings to have their pension income verified for the Thai government affidavit every year. Not one of them has ever been known to have filed a Thai income tax return, been held liable to pay Thai income taxes or been prosecuted for failure to do so. Like I said, and I think you will now agree, it is unheard of. I've never heard of such a thing nor has any expat that I know; no newspaper articles, no complaints on forums, nothing. And you apparently cannot demonstrate otherwise with just one instance.I think Thai revenue people, tax lawyers and accountants would be better informed about how many of these types file a Thai tax return and pay taxes, & how many who pay had been evading payment. Just sitting in the immigration office once every 90 days for an hour won't inform a guy about any of these things. Especially since the immigration people have nothing to do with the tax revenue department or the payment of Thai income taxes:
I think the problem may arise if you come back here to work. And the fact you owe tax may flag the system somewhere. But if not coming to work, then wouldn't be too worried about it. Immigration will not be worried. Not their department.
This activity is subject to both civil and criminal penalties. The civil penalties include fines and interest. The criminal penalties include jail terms of 3 months – 7 years and fines 2, 000-200, 000 Baht.
Mr. Sanit Rangnoi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said 'Every unit has to intensively investigate those suspicious activities and put heavy penalties on evaders and fraudsters, as well as track new schemes of tax evasion / fraud in order to be fair to the honest taxpayers.
Tax dept and immigration, two completely separate departments and one is not interested in the business of the other.
If the tax department want to do something meaningful go chase the expats working here without WP's and start collecting tax off them, and maybe while they are at it look at the business dealings of foreigners who are resident in Thailand more than 180 days per year, including the pensioners.
It's not in the Revenue departments capability to check and confirm the income from abroad.The above quoted opinions are not mine, but of various people from a brief search on the words "Thai expat tax evasion". For informational purposes so those posters who expressed concerns on this topic & an interest in possibly retiring in Thailand can make informed & wise decisions about their future.
Good luck & happy safe hobbying to all.
Huh, who does that? Why haven't you consulted a tax professional?
Now let me see if I have this right. You actually want me to go out of my way to visit the Thailand revenue office to ask them if they want me to file a return and pay income taxes on my Social Security pension from the US, and see if they laugh at me or make me pay, right?
Hahahahahaha! You want me to stick my head in the crocodile's mouth and beg the beast to bite it.
I just tried to watch this video. Had to stop after watching it. Same old crap about being trafficed. The one woman is a real life feminist and needs 6 good inches and a drink so she can loosen up.
Western, thanks for the video.
Western787
05-25-13, 21:29
i just tried to watch this video. had to stop after watching it. same old crap about being trafficed. the one woman is a real life feminist and needs 6 good inches and a drink so she can loosen up.
western, thanks for the video.note ms ramos from the ngo (she's the one hogging the conversation and telling others not to interrupt her). amazingly just expanded the definition of "sex trafficking" even further, by saying if a "pimp" is involved, then that means the person is being "trafficked". therefore among many other things, it means all bar girls and all go go girls (with mamasans present) in bangkok would be by definition be "trafficked" because a third party is taking a fee. since hillary clinton took over the usa state dept 4 yrs back, they've accelerated the hysteria even more into other countries, with burma especially now being impacted and phillipines and many other countries being dictated certain goals mostly based upon completely made up stats.
before the hysteria took root, the term "sex trafficked" was once a legitimate concept focused on unwilling (actual) victims, including **** victims who of course can never give consent, in fact mostly gay pervs attacking young boys, something the msm refuses to report even when the priest scandal in the catholic church became apparent.
so instead of focusing on the real problem and putting the pervs in jail, the ngos and their government allies now have launched a full scale war on men, including all acts of fully consentual adult to adult p4p.
More specific?
Jeez, man, do you want me to hold your dick for you too while you fuck them? You need help with that?
Can't you do part of it yourself?Be happy he didn't ask you to fix an appointment.
Western787
05-25-13, 23:20
Look at this, although I guess Ms Ramos from the NGO would just see them all as victims, as $40,000 per night is just not worth what it used to be.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2322573/The-Cannes-luxury-prostitutes-earning-40-000-PER-NIGHT-million-dollar-yachts-annual-film-festival.html
Paul Kausch
05-25-13, 23:51
So instead of focusing on the real problem and putting the pervs in jail, the NGOs and their government allies now have launched a full scale WAR ON MEN, including all acts of fully consentual adult to adult P4P.How long has the P4P business been around? Quite a while now. Do you really think they will succeed in stamping it out?
NGOs make exaggerated claims to appeal to donors. Just like companies make exaggerated claims about the efficacy of their products. Similarly, NGOs expand the definition of the problem they are addressing, just as companies try to expand the market for their products. Cialis doesn't just treat ED, it also treats BPH.
Who benefits from the P4P industry? The SWs, the customers, the business owners, the non SW employees of these businesses, the vendors who supply these businesses, the government agencies that collect taxes from these businesses and the government officials who accept bribes to look the other way. Do any of these interests want P4P to end? Let's not forget the NGOs, who would have no reason to existence if they ever succeeded. Do you think they really want to succeed? They are attacking the perfect "problem." The "problem" will always exist.
So long as poor women with few skills or education exist P4P will exist. And then there are the young, very attractive, calculating women who can make a substantial income in P4P. They will always be available.
Happy mongering!
I went to HK once. It aint no BKK.
I suggest you go celibate. It will make you appreciate BKK more.That bad hahaha? Ok got it thanks.
So just because you've never heard of something occurring doesn't mean it hasn't already or couldn't on any given day to come. Have you ever heard of a farang like Bob on a retirement visa & doing private internet work in his home ever being busted for working in Thailand:
http://government.ezinemark.com/tax-.4e176cdd3.html
The penalties for doing what Bob does, according to the article: "up to a year in jail and a fine of up to 10, 000 baht" and his "retirement visa could be revoked".
The bottom line, in the above opinion?"The chances of him getting caught, provided he keeps his mouth shut about his work when he's down at the pub having some bevvies, is almost nil. However, the reality is that what he is doing is illegal and there are real penalties if he is caught."
Some people are willing to take that gamble of not being caught. Others prefer to play it safe & legal or feel it a moral obligation to be tax paying law abiding citizens.Well, I haven't heard about any occurrence of a pig with wings flying like a bird either, but according to your reasoning it's still possible right?
Your story about Bob the Englishman is a total fabrication offered for the purpose of its author manufacturing an opinion about the horrors of Thai tax laws as they might apply to foreign expats. In short, it never happened; there is no Bob; no prosecution for tax fraud; no penalties; just a horror story without any basis in reality.
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear. If they did apply there would be at least some evidence of enforcement but as you know full well there is not.
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear.If there's absolutely "nothing to fear" as you claim, why not give them a call & ask them those questions yourself, as well as finding out if you owe them anything. I'm sure some readers here would be very interested in their response. Maybe also call up some publications like the Bangkok Post & ask them to do an article on the subject, including interviews with Thai revenue authorities, tax lawyers & accountants. I expect that would be fascinating to many of their readers. BTW isn't it strange that you've never seen such an article in any publication? Why not? Nothing from the revenue people or on their website either, eh? Why is the subject so hushed?
As for "Thai tax laws":
"A resident of Thailand who in the previous tax year derived assessable income under Section 40 from an employment or from business carried on abroad or from a property situated abroad shall, upon bringing such assessable income into Thailand, pay tax in accordance with the provisions of this Part."
http://www.rd.go.th/publish/37749.0.html
"Taxpayers are classified into 'resident' and 'non-resident'. 'Resident' means any individual residing in Thailand for a period or several periods in total of at least 180 days in a tax year (January 1 – December 31). A resident of Thailand has a duty to pay tax on income remitted from a source in Thailand as well as on any income from a foreign source in connection with the taxpayers' employment or business carried on abroad or a property situated abroad, and that income is remitted into Thailand within the year that the taxpayer receives that income (I. E. Cash basis). A non-resident is subject to tax only on income from sources in Thailand."
http://www.rd.go.th/publish/6045.0.html
"Are there any concessions made for expatriates in Thailand?"
"None."
http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/taxation-international-executives/thailand/pages/income-tax.aspx
"Overall the Thai tax man is not interested, but this doesn't mean they couldn't become interested at some point in the future."
"Mr. Sanit Rangnoi, Director-General of the Revenue Department, said 'Every unit has to intensively investigate those suspicious activities and put heavy penalties on evaders and fraudsters, as well as track new schemes of tax evasion / fraud in order to be fair to the honest taxpayers."
Well, I haven't heard about any occurrence of a pig with wings flying like a bird either, but according to your reasoning it's still possible right?
Your story about Bob the Englishman is a total fabrication offered for the purpose of its author manufacturing an opinion about the horrors of Thai tax laws as they might apply to foreign expats. In short, it never happened; there is no Bob; no prosecution for tax fraud; no penalties; just a horror story without any basis in reality.
Look at it this way, Pink: The Thai tax authorities have to know that of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign expats living in Thailand, all of them are required to bring in to the country at least 800, 000 Thai Baht every year in order to extend their retirement visas; almost all of it from their home country pensions. Add it all up and thats a lot of money.
If those monies were really subject to Thailand income taxes, don't you think that the tax authorities would go after every one of those expats, including me, to get their pound of flesh? Don't you think that we would see stories about it in the news papers, complaints about it in the Thai expats forums, at least SOME evidence that it has occurred? Do you think that the tax authorities don't have a clue as to what is going on unless some hapless idiot visits their office to ask if they owe taxes. Are they living under a rock?
The bottom line is that these Thai tax laws and far out opinions you keep quoting simply do not apply to expats in my situation and that is why we have nothing to fear. If they did apply there would be at least some evidence of enforcement but as you know full well there is not.A. The legal basis is quite clear:
(1) more than 180 days in one year in Thailand = tax resident in Thailand.
(2) Foreign source income (e. G. Pension income) transferred to Thailand in the same year as received is subject to Thai income tax.
(3) If a doble tax treaty applies the respective treaty clause ragarding pension income applies.
The OECD Model Convention states for "private" pensions in Art. 18:
- Subject to the provisions of paragraph 2 of Article 19, pensions and other similar remuneration paid to a resident of a Contracting State [e. G. Thailand] in consideration of past employment shall be taxable only in that State [e. G. The country of residency = Thailand].
For "state" pensions in Art. 19 Ziff. 2:
A) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1, pensions and other similar remuneration paid by, or out of funds created by, a Contracting State or a political subdivision or a local authority thereof to an individual in respect of services rendered to that State or subdivision or authority shall be taxable only in that State [e. G. Not in Thailand].
Be) However, such pensions and other similar remuneration shall be taxable only in the other Contracting State [e. G. Thailand] if the individual is a resident of [e. G. Thailand], and a national of [e. G. Thailand], that State [e. G. Thailand].
B. So far the law and so far I am with PinkPerl. But importent is also the reality (practice) and this leads me to "feelings"of Daddy07:
In practice the Thailand tax administration does. For the time being and in general. Not levy any taxes on foreign pensions since it would be very difficult and need a great effort to collect evidence that a certain cross border transfer represents income in the sense of the Thai tax law [earned in the year of the transfer] and not qualifies as a tax free capital transfer [earned in years before the transfer year]. This is true also for cases the evicenc is given, e. G. The pension is transferd on a monthly basis directly to a Thai bank account.
C. Nobody knows what will happen in the future
The current situation: "Non-Enforcement of the applicable tax law" is not satisfying. The approach of the Thai tax administration, therefore, easily could change. Euro people know what happens if a State is looking for more money. They could decide to start with the clear cases and I'm sure the immigration officees would give the requested infos to the tax administration or it could be decided to change the burden of prove and the recipient of a foreign pension has to give evidence that the money received from abroad was not earned in the same year.
D. Save haven rule
Have a foreign bank account on which you have at the beginning of a year the money you need for this year and only transfer money from this account to Thailand or [not safe haven] at least transfer the pension before you transfer the money to a Thailand on an other foreign account.
Sir Lancelot
05-26-13, 16:15
after two years exploring the pay-for-play scenes in philippines and indonesia, it was time to return to thailand. i had three weeks at my disposal and as well as visiting bangkok and pattaya, i planned to sample the delights of phnom penh in cambodia too. to give you some context, i'm a 36 year old man from england and bar-girls say i'm 'hansum' (and they would never lie about such a thing). although i enjoy massage parlours and gogo bars my motto is 'variety is the spice of life' and i have picked up girls from brothels, nightclubs and even from the street.
welcome to the diary of trip thailand and cambodia.
the flight from england was long but i occupied myself by watching skyfall and perving at the pretty air stewardesses. there was a tall blond who i'd happily allow to be mrs lancelot if she liked. actually forget that. free, single and on the way to thailand. isn't that every man's dream? i felt excited as the plane began its descent in to bangkok.
this was my first trip to thailand for three years, after successfully experimenting with philippines and indonesia. would i meet girls of the quality of my previous trips to thailand? would it still live up to my high expectations? i felt a shiver of anticipation as we touched down at suvarnabhumi airport.
the best way to get in to bangkok from the airport is by train. taxis aren't just more expensive, they get stuck in heavy traffic when nearing the city, adding time to the journey. from arrivals i descended to the lower level where there are two lines to choose from, makkasam or phaya thai. i paid 90 baht for the latter and after a short wait hopped on to the train. the journey took 20 minutes and soon i was in the chaotic urban sprawl of central bangkok, dwarfed by skyscrapers. from phaya thai i took the skytrain to nana which was five stops on the bearing line (25 baht). i was impressed with the train service. the journey from the airport was cheap, quick and easy.
there are plenty of hotels to choose from but for familiarity i opted for nana hotel. from nana's skytrain station i walked a short distance down the busy sukhumvit road before turning left in to soi 4. nana hotel is the first hotel on the right, directly opposite the gogo complex of nana plaza. it's a good place to stay as not only does it have an excellent location but freelance hookers congregate in the car-park and there is also a nightclub on the premises, popular with gogo girls when their shift has finished. there is also a swimming pool and a buffet breakfast.
the receptionist was an elderly woman who i remembered from three years earlier. she didn't smile then and she didn't smile now, not the best advert for the land of smiles! my 'standard room' cost 1490 baht a night and was perfectly adequate, the queen-sized bed making up for the lack of view from the window. the young bell-boy enquired 'you wan massage sir? ' before he left. i thanked him but said no. bangkok is not a city where you need help finding girls.
it was mid-afternoon so i decided to sleep for a few hours to fight off jet-lag. i wanted to be refreshed for my eagerly awaited return to nana plaza, one of my favourite hunting grounds in asia. i've taken some beautiful girls from there in the past and hoped for a 10/10 to get this trip up-and-running in style.
when my alarm beeped i felt more tired than when i fell asleep. i had a shower to wake myself up, got changed and walked to the nearby 7eleven to buy myself water. it was 6. 20pm and the area was much quieter than i remembered. a few men sat in the bars lining soi 4 but it wasn't buzzing with activity and there wasn't the usual exciting atmosphere. even the traffic was quieter. i assumed that i had reset my watch wrongly so i asked for the time at the 7eleven. it was 6. 25pm. why was nana so quiet?
i walked in to nana plaza to have a look around. nana plaza is three storeys of gogo bars, the balconies of each floor overlooking a central court of beer bars. the place has been given a big makeover. not only is there a new sign above the entrance but the walls have been given a much needed lick of paint (the yellow colour scheme makes you wonder whether it should be renamed 'banana plaza'). as a result it doesn't feel as down-trodden and sleazy as it used to. it reminded me of the polished gogo complexes in philippines, like edsa in manila.
the bars open at 7pm and usually by this time lots of girls have arrived and the place is coming alive, but there wasn't anyone around at all. i only had a scrawny stray cat for company. 'what's going on? ' i thought to myself. it was 6. 30pm and one of the most exciting adult playgrounds in the world was completely empty.
as i walked out of nana plaza, a ladyboy with breasts like bowling balls grabbed my arm and said hello. i laughed to myself. if i couldn't find any girls maybe i'd have no choice but to resort to a ladyboy on my first night in bangkok! where was everyone? i politely shrugged her off and walked to a restaurant nearby called bus stop. it serves western food as well as tasty thai dishes. i ordered fried rice but when i tried to order a beer i was told 'no beer tonight, soft drink only'. no girls and no beer? what on earth was going on?
after i had eaten i returned to nana plaza. it was 7pm and every bar was closed. even big dog, the popular bar at the entrance had its grille pulled down. a burly security guard saw me looking lost and told me 'closed tonight, open tomorrow'. i asked him why and he told me 'elections'. i cursed to myself. my first night in bangkok and the place was like a ghost-town. i don't want elections, i want erections! preferably mine, not ladyboys.
i noticed street-walkers congregating on the opposite side of the street in nana hotel car-park. there were 15 in total, aged between 20 and 30 and a few were reasonably attractive. the pick of them, a girl wearing a leopard-print top, smiled to me. she was a 7/10 and had a nice figure. i returned her smile. she could be a good option for later if all else failed.
i remembered that soi cowboy is in a different district. it's a street of gogo bars that is renowned for being more liberal, so i figured there was a chance it might be open. it took 20 minutes to walk there from nana, zig-zagging my way past the tourists who were shopping at the stalls that line sukhumvit road.
soi cowboy is near asok skytrain station, on a street between soi 21 and 23. i turned in to it but was disappointed to see that there wasn't the usual blaze of neon or screaming 'hello girls' outside each bar. the street was dark and eerily silent. not for the first time tonight i cursed to myself.
i considered my options. thermae coffee shop is nearby which in its heyday was renowned as a place to pick up high quality freelancers. but i'm told it has now changed for the worse and the majority of girls only show interest in big spending korean or japanese customers. i wasn't interested in being ignored so took the skytrain back to nana.
it was unthinkable that i'd spend a night in bangkok without a girl. my plan was to see if annie's massage parlour was open and if not i would take a freelancer from nana car-park. some of them were attractive, especially the cutie in the leopard pattern dress. i wondered whether they would be clever enough to raise their prices to take advantage of the fact that the gogo bars were closed. these girls can be very shrewd so i suspected that the answer would be yes!
annie's is located a short walk from nana plaza. i walked down soi 4 away from sukhumvit road and turned right after the 7eleven. ominously the annie's sign at the top of the road was switched off, so i didn't have high expectations as i walked past rajah hotel. but i was surprised and relieved to see three girls sat outside. annie's was open.
i walked up the stairs and entered the small bar area. the fishbowl is located at the end of the room and the girls were lounging around, checking their phones or applying make-up in small mirrors. i was shown to a couch in front of the window and when the mamasan spoke in to a microphone, the girls arranged themselves in an orderly fashion on the steps on the left hand side of the fishbowl. there were 20 girls and all were young and slim. the mamasan said something in to the microphone and all of the girls on the front row stood up. a few seconds later they sat down and the back row stood up. it was a good way to show off their bodies and i saw a few girls i liked the look of.
i like to take my time choosing so i ordered a drink. as i did so, the only other customer (a man about my age and also from england) picked a very pretty girl i had noticed. she walked out of the fishbowl and led him hand-in-hand down the corridor towards their room. he was definitely in for a treat. two minutes later she returned to pick up her basket of products (soap, sponge, mouthwash, condoms). as she was waiting for it to be prepared, she gave me a lap-dance. she had a sexy body, a beautiful face and a sparkle in her eyes. when she was handed her basket, she stood up and kissed me on the cheek before walking away to join the lucky fellow brit. i wished i had picked her.
i examined the fishbowl again. there were some nice girls and the one who caught my eye was straightening her hair in the mirror. she was attractive and had long hair down to her waist. she saw me looking and smiled (the left-hand window is one-way glass but the girls can see through the right window). i waved for her to join me and she walked over. i was immediately pleased with my choice. she had a fun and flirty personality and hugged me as i paid the cashier. she told me that her name was aor and she was 23 years old from isaan.
five years ago annie's was a budget option but it has changed in to a 'soapy' venue with younger girls. as a result, the prices have gone up. it costs 2500 baht to take a girl for two hours, although for that price you get two pops and the levels of service are legendary. if you can't get great sex at annie's, you can't get it anywhere.
she led me down the corridor to the left of the fishbowl. the room had a sleazy feel with the bed overlooked by a grotesque wooden carving of two girls 69-ing each other. next to the bath was an inflatable mattress, a sign that soapies are now on the menu at annie's. aor tied her hair up and ran the bath before leaving to get her basket. i took my clothes off and sat on the corner of the bed. i felt excited that my trip was about to start with a great girl.
when aor returned she poured soap suds over the inflatable mattress and asked me to lie on it. i lay on my stomach and she poured suds over my back before using her slim body to slip and slide all over me. it felt magical and the perfect way to relax after a long day of travel. she asked me to turn over and said 'you handsome man' before sliding up and down again. before long we were kissing. kissing is a big turn-on of mine and she was a great kisser, expertly using her tongue. she then slid down my body and gave me a fantastic blow-job. this girl knew how to please. after five minutes we got in to the bubble-bath and she rubbed her firm tits on my chest and grinded her pussy over my stiff cock as we kissed passionately. by now i was aching to get in her pussy. we dried ourselves and got on to the bed together.
the sex was great. she untied her hair and it fell down her perfectly toned body as she rode me expertly. i flipped her over and fucked her slowly in mish, her fingernails digging in to my back each time i thrust in to her. all the time we were kissing like boyfriend and girlfriend. next she went on to all-fours and i fucked her from behind.
we tried lots of positions before i came. i collapsed next to her on the bed and she said 'you tired? you take long time'. i laughed. i was having so much fun i wanted to make it last as long as possible!
she spoke good english and was very playful. she asked 'you have baby? ' and when i shook my head she joked 'maybe we have baby? '. at one point she sang to me. i'm no simon cowell but she'the definitely get my vote. she started stroking me and soon i was ready for 'round two'. this time i wanted to give her oral, so i kissed my way down her body and when i started licking her pussy she held my head in position and gasped each time i sucked her clit. it was a nice view, looking up at her perfect body writhing about. after 20 minutes i couldn't wait any longer, so put on another condom. the second pop was just as passionate and energetic as the first.
after we got changed we swapped phone numbers. although i like to go with as many girls as possible, it's always good to have the numbers of my favourites stored in my phone. she was a lovely girl and provided great sex, so would be a good option for a daytime meet (for a lot less than 2500 baht). i gave her a well deserved tip and kissed her goodbye.
annie's is open from 10am to midnight. they employ two shifts of girls and a good time to visit is between 5pm and 6pm when the shifts overlap. however, this is also when it is busiest with customers.
on the way back to my hotel, i passed the freelancers in the car-park. an old man with white hair was attempting to negotiate with a girl probably in her late teens. he was trying to get her price down but wasn't having much success. this wasn't a night for negotiation. with the gogo bars closed she had nowhere near as much competition as normal. for one night only she was the prettiest girl on the block and she knew it.
i went to bed happy. despite a disastrous start to the night with the closure of nana plaza and soi cowboy, i had a soapy massage and some great sex. annie's and aor had rescued my night. my trip had started well.
this diary will continue in the bangkok thread tomorrow.
Crazy4Thai
05-27-13, 05:12
That bad hahaha? Ok got it thanks.You have one data point. H444 is the same guy who ate a Subway sandwich one day at the corner of Suk 7/1 and proclaimed there is not enough traffic in that soi to support P4P biz even though activity there has skyrocketed in the past 3 years. Keep searching for HK info, there is a scene for sure even though it is not BKK. The filipinas on Sundays can be so very enjoyable.
Western787
05-27-13, 09:52
After we got changed we swapped phone numbers. Although I like to go with as many girls as possible, it's always good to have the numbers of my favourites stored in my phone. She was a lovely girl and provided great sex, so would be a good option for a daytime meet (for a lot less than 2500 baht). i thought they had rather strict rules over there
Western787
05-27-13, 17:01
A month or two back I studied Aibolit's very exacting criteria very closely (and there is nothing wrong per se with such a quest) but recently happened to run across this, (the Phillipine feeder into Miss Universe) and this is about as close as an approximation to the standards he was describing as I have seen (excluding the 17 olds of course). Women like this but P4P and in quantity to offer the requisite "variety" done on short notice into the Phills or Bangkok? Its hard to even imagine the resources one would have to possess to be able to pull that off. Perhaps a rock star, movie star, famous athlete, or slightly less wealthy but world class level charmer and international playboy type might do it, but otherwise it seems effectively within the realm of science fiction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgM
A month or two back I studied Aibolit's very exacting criteria very closely (and there is nothing wrong per se with such a quest) but recently happened to run across this, (the Phillipine feeder into Miss Universe) and this is about as close as an approximation to the standards he was describing as I have seen (excluding the 17 olds of course). Women like this but P4P and in quantity to offer the requisite "variety" done on short notice into the Phills or Bangkok? Its hard to even imagine the resources one would have to possess to be able to pull that off. Perhaps a rock star, movie star, famous athlete, or slightly less wealthy but world class level charmer and international playboy type might do it, but otherwise it seems effectively within the realm of science fiction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgMDayum!
Sure haven't seen any Filipinas around here that looked like these girls. I suspect these fine ladies can't even spell Jollibee. :D
I'm sure somebody here will insist they saw girls exactly like this hanging out in the Biergarten.
Western787
05-27-13, 21:02
Dayum!
Sure haven't seen any Filipinas around here that looked like these girls. I suspect these fine ladies can't even spell Jollibee. .
I'm sure somebody here will insist they saw girls exactly like this hanging out in the Biergarten.Too funny man.
Since most of us in here are fascinated at some level with ultra beautiful women, I did find Aibolit's quest and comments very interesting and I hope he posts again. However, believe it or not EVEN the young ladies in the video would NOT necessarily even meet the criteria he was listing, because actually he went beyond looks. My last summary of Aibolit's many criteria was as follows. "9s-10s in looks" "ladies with no kids","tall" "fresh adorable baby-face." 18-23 year olds" "slender" "very slim legs" "gorgeous" long legged" "model types", no silicon bolt ons, who are "passionate" preferably where there is also mutual "chemistry" in "quantity" as "variety" is also important, who also offer full "GFE and PSE.". The quoted phrases Aibolit's exact words.
So lets say hypothetically you were a Saudi billionaire and (assuming non P4P conversion to P4P status was possible, and excluding the under 18 ladies of course) you could pay any price to literally get all these girls back in 2010, unless you had some underling pre screening for PSE willingness, bolt ons, or whatever. You still couldn't necessarily meet the standards. As far as passion and chemistry, who knows.
Look, I initially thought it to be a wish list Aibolit put out there, but later he seemed to indicate it was virtually mandatory (he's actually not attracted to girls following below this quality level), so one could make a submission to the urban dictionary for the phrase "Aibolit standards"
as a shortcut way to define the most beautiful and attractive and exciting young women in the world as described in the criteria described above.
Let say Saudi Prince scheduled to fly in his private 747 into Heathrow needs harems for night entertainment after business meetings each day, and his employee calls ahead to their London contact, and the agent says "What are you looking for this time?" Answer "Aibolit standards" Agent says "You must be joking. THAT high? Ok we'll do what we can"
For those who care or don't know, the dreaded Falang ATM surcharge fee is now 180 Baht at some ATMs, namely Krungsri (www.krungsri.com). Other banks will likely follow if they haven't already done so.
From May 17, 2013. The service charge on cash withdrawal of all international or foreign credit cards via KBank's ATM machines will be charged at 150 Baht per transaction for VISA card. 180 Baht per transaction for MasterCard. 50 Baht per transaction for China UnionPay (CUP) card and 20 Baht per transaction for all electronic cards issued by card issuer company in Thailand (Non Bank).
For those who care or don't know, the dreaded Falang ATM surcharge fee is now 180 Baht at some ATMs, namely Krungsri (
www.krungsri.com
). Other banks will likely follow if they haven't already done so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPh_0AlAgMAlmost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim
Almost swallowed my false teeth {Snip}Way too much information, but notice I did snip just for you.
NicFrenchy
05-28-13, 18:01
Almost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim#14 didn't make it to the end. She was pretty, until she started talking during the questions. (yeah, I did click to find out who won)
I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. I put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. This also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. I eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. It seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. The girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. I workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. I shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before I leave. Don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
Any info to add?
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/641625-interpol-to-lead-crackdown-on-pirated-goods-thailand/?hl=+Interpol.
Any information as to whether or not any results were reported about the "raids" of "pirated" goods in the Bangkok shopping venues? According to the article, the Thai police were going to raid "Khlong Thom Market, Ban Mor, Saphan Lek, MBK, Pantip, Sukhumvit Sois 13-19, Silom and Soi Patpong".
Paul Kausch
05-28-13, 23:12
I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. I put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. This also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. I eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. It seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. The girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. I workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. I shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before I leave. Don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
Any info to add?Sounds like a good routine. What about taking tribulus terrestris starting about a month before the trip. It's the latest fad for weight lifters. Many swear by it but there is no scientific evidence it helps them; however, other guys swear it increases their libido and virility, and there is some scientific evidence supporting this. Males lab rats fuck more if they're taking the stuff.
I am coming next week and have a routine I follow. Do any of you have a pre-trip routine? To get your Cock and body ready?
Here is mine:
1. I stop jacking off 7 days before I leave. It seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
Any info to add?It is essential to be Cock Fit. I would suggest doing a search on the JELQ technic which enables more blood flow to the penis head giving a firmer erection. Works for me.
Tony Hoeprano
05-29-13, 08:29
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/641625-interpol-to-lead-crackdown-on-pirated-goods-thailand/?hl=
+interpol.
any information as to whether or not any results were reported about the "raids" of "pirated" goods in the bangkok shopping venues? according to the article, the thai police were going to raid "khlong thom market, ban mor, saphan lek, mbk, pantip, sukhumvit sois 13-19, silom and soi patpong".that's nothing more than an annual spring cleaning by the thai police to make them look like they're doing something, somewhat like when the big boss is in town and the employees pretend they're actually doing something haha. hell, they were even nice enough to give the perps advance warning. they'll just call up the store owners and ask them to confirep001e their worst sellers and throw in some porn to take home for souvenirs. the next day the thai police will make a huge spectacle how they confirep001ed xxx amount of pirated goods and took the first steps to ban pirated goods, take a few photos, and the next day they'll be doing what they do best. which is absolutely nothing!
i am coming next week and have a routine i follow. do any of you have a pre-trip routine? to get your cock and body ready?
here is mine:
1. i stop jacking off 7 days before i leave. it seems to help with sensitivity, at least over the first few days or so.
2. i put lotion on my cock 3 times a day for a week. this also seems to help with sensitivity and overall cock skin health.
3. i eat lots of fruit and protein 10 days before. it seems to help with semen production and makes your semen whiter and sweeter. the girls seem to like the sweet taste.
4. i workout and jog for several weeks before to build stamina.
5. i shave the hair around my cock, balls, and asshole about 5 days before i leave. don't do this the day before you leave because sometime the girls complain that the area is "too scratchy" for them.
any info to add?i can relate to some of the rituals. not to ask a stupid question, but why do you shave your asshole? and how do you do it? do you use nair? a razor? go to great clips and ask them to trim a little on the bottom? lol
Way too much information, but notice I did snip just for you.Its appreciated. :)
Slim
I can relate to some of the rituals. Not to ask a stupid question, but why do you shave your asshole? and how do you do it? do you use Nair? a Razor? Go to Great Clips and ask them to trim a little on the bottom? lolThat's a good question I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there. Do you just not care and let them eat hairy ass?
NeverGetsOld
05-29-13, 16:50
Get 1 of your girls to shave your asshole when she is on the clock and if you are a little subconscious about it like me then just get your ass licked at night.
My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair.Don't be silly. Nair does not discriminate. Can use it anywhere (externally) and not the face. I would not recommend the most powerfully caustic variety that girls use on the legs though.
As for "girls love it". Wishful thinking. For the balls, I actually find that most of them don't really care at all. Its more for the guy's own feeling on the balls to get the hair out of the way. Overly long is certainly a nuisance.
Western787
05-29-13, 19:39
Almost swallowed my false teeth when #14 came out on stage. What a beauty.
Slim
You definitely appreciate great beauty, and #14 I would say is one of the most natural beauties on the stage.
The Phillipines at the top end really does produce some amazing beauties, and note they actually give measurements (something the ballbusting fems stopped the pageants in the USA from doing years back). I rated #10 the closest to a true world class look, and #3 the cutest. To really get a sense how beautiful these girls are, one would have to see them standing next to normal women, (and pageants rarely do that) so one tends to lose the sense of context. The evening gowns do give us a bit more info though.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brucecasanova/4372629903/lightbox/
Harry Dude
05-29-13, 21:52
I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there.You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.php
Originally Posted by Nclpimp [View Original Post]
I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there.
You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.phpMorning All,
I usually hit the Nana Hotel. They used to have a woman in their massage parlor that would shave you from your treasure trail to your. Back door. Did a good job, and offered release at the end. 14 days and a wake up.
That's a good question I use nair around my cock and balls and leaves it porn star smooth. Girls love it. My asshole a different story. What do you do there? Can't use nair. Can't open and trim unless you have three hands. Can't really go to salon and ask them or can you? It would have to be in BKK and don't want to waste time doing that while there. Do you just not care and let them eat hairy ass?I tell 'em if they go near my ass without a searchlight they're wasting their time.
Western787
05-30-13, 08:29
No offense to anyone. But seems pilipinos like their hot chick light skinned too. LOL.
Dark skin is just 2nd class! Cheaper too!That does seem to be the rule pretty much all over southeast asia, for example checking Miss Vietnam (Miss World track) they are nearly all ultra light skin, a few not even pretty but their (apparent) half white ethnicity I guess compensating for it. Tried to checked Cambodia but they seem to have opted out of the big contests in recent years.
Funny Dave
05-30-13, 13:49
You can indeed go to a salon and ask them. When in BKK, just book an appointment for Male Brazilian Waxing at Urban Retreat, right next to Asoke BTS. They also have a branch at Phrom Phong (I've only used the one at Asoke). Urban Retreat is a bit more high-end than your usual BKK massage parlors, so no Extras are available. But they do provide a decent Brazilian wax. Cock, balls and ass. Price is 1500 baht.
http://www.urbanretreatspa.net/price-list.phpI wouldn't be too sure on the extras, my experience says otherwise! (admittedly only once in about 5 visits)
That does seem to be the rule pretty much all over southeast asia, for example checking Miss Vietnam (Miss World track) they are nearly all ultra light skin, a few not even pretty but their (apparent) half white ethnicity I guess compensating for it. Tried to checked Cambodia but they seem to have opted out of the big contests in recent years.I would venture to say that's the rule in about 100% of asia. Latin America, too. All the girls who are considered attractive have light skin.
You should see the (older) Chinese ladies around here. When driving they put on these ridiculous "welders helmet" face shades, full length gloves, etc, in an effort to maintain their beauty while stuck in the car.
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