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Wolvenvacht
02-19-14, 20:58
Hello members,
This will be my maiden trip to Thailand. (snip) Here are your answers:
1) No one has been able to predict the weather with any accuracy for longer than 5 days. Your question cannot be reliably answered.
2) Yes.
3) It depends on what you want to do and your budget.
4) Check with the Thai embassy or consulate.
5) To be on the safe side take a double occupancy.
6) For 1000 bath you will not get that kind of room.
7) I always exchange money in one of the many banks or money changer stalls. Never do it in hotels.
8) You can do scuba diving in Pattaya and Phuket
9) I have no idea: my hair disappears by itself.
10) Pattaya: Soi 6; Bangkok: Soi Cowboy.
11) Pattaya: Soi 6, Beach Road, Walking Street, . ; Bangkok: Soi Cowboy, Nana, Thanon Sukumvhit.
12) Thailand is the land of good food. I think it is tasty and cheap.
13) I favor the agogo clubs.
14) Just ask them.
15) Bangkok: Annies.
Now few general questions.
16) Almost any pharmacy.
17) In the airport, but not when you are arriving. You have to buy your duty free liquor when leaving your country.
18) Dried fruits, silk ties, girlfriends.
19) I have no idea.
20) Take public transportation.
21) I always bring my own from home.
22) Define "best". A taxi will be most expensive but most convenient. Public transport will be cheap but if you are new to Bangkok, it will be a hassle.
Paul Kausch
02-20-14, 03:04
Credit Suisse is projecting Thailand tourism will be flat this year rather than growing by 7.5% as it predicted earlier. It says historically Malaysia's tourist industry is highly negatively correlated with Thailand. To a lesser degree the same is true for Indonesia. In other words, many tourists change their destinations to one of these two other countries. While there is not much of a mongering scene in Malaysia, Jakarta is a surprisingly good and relatively unknown monger's destination.
I'm still planning to visit Bangkok for a few weeks in June and early July. Nothing short of armed insurrection and gun battles raging on Sukhumvit will keep me away. But those of you with less of an appetite for excitement may want to read up on Jakarta night life and read the appropriate threads in ISG.
Here are your answers:
1) No one has been able to predict the weather with any accuracy for longer than 5 days. Your question cannot be reliably answered.
2) Yes.
3) It depends on what you want to do and your budget.
4) Check with the Thai embassy or consulate.
5) To be on the safe side take a double occupancy.
6) For 1000 bath you will not get that kind of room..Wolvenvacht,
Thanks! It will be my virgin trip (due to the crackdown in China). Thanks for the answers. It has helped me immensely.
A couple of additional questions:
1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.
2) It is a good idea to reserve hotels online? Since it is my first time, I won't know where I will like best. I will be there 10 days. I was thinking 3 days in Bangkok and then 3 in Pattaya and the rest will go to the place I like the best. Is there a price difference booking in person (or extending your stay) vs booking online?
Mr Enternational
02-21-14, 04:08
1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.99 times out of 100 Thai girls are not going to drink in the room. They are social drinkers. They will drink in a big disco with their friends or they will drink in the club to build up the courage to go with a farang. 9 times out of 10 there is no alcohol in those lady drinks that mongers like to buy for the girls in the bar. I would say when they do go out and drink then their top drinks are Absolut, Blend 285, Bacardi Breezer. You will see the girls who have farang sponsors buying bottles of Courvoisier at 3000 baht / pop. If it's beer then San Miguel Light. The bar in my room has been stocked for years and the truth of the matter is that they don't drink the shit when they come over. And I hardly ever drink so. The few times they have asked for a drink they have not finished it, so it was liquor gone to waste. One of the most heavily drinking Thai women I know came over sober last night and all she has been drinking since she got here is water. So make sure you have plenty of that on hand. I wouldn't worry about alcohol.
Wolvenvacht
02-21-14, 08:38
Wolvenvacht,
Thanks! It will be my virgin trip (due to the crackdown in China). Thanks for the answers. It has helped me immensely.
A couple of additional questions:
1) What type of liquor do Thai girls like to drink? I like to stock my room for visitors.
2) It is a good idea to reserve hotels online? Since it is my first time, I won't know where I will like best. I will be there 10 days. I was thinking 3 days in Bangkok and then 3 in Pattaya and the rest will go to the place I like the best. Is there a price difference booking in person (or extending your stay) vs booking online?Most girls I got in my room where happy to drink some water, tea or fruit juice. I never drink alcohol myself, so I don't even have it in my room. Never got a complaint about that.
I reserve my hotels through.
http://www.booking.com
It is perfectly possible to do your reservations "on the spot" if you know where to go, but that is a hassle I am not interested in. If you are only a short time in country, then reserving up-front saves you time. When my Thai GF makes a booking in person she gets a better price and a discount. That never happened to me. Cheers for Thai GF that takes good care of me!
How busy might the airport be on a Monday at 1pm? This will be in May, off season so I'm hoping it will be a quick run through.
It is good hygiene to not drink from open containers in strangers hotel rooms so don't be offended. They have no more wish to wake up in an ice tub with a surgical scar at the side of the abdomen than we do.
Member #4410
02-23-14, 01:19
Credit Suisse is projecting Thailand tourism will be flat this year rather than growing by 7. 5% as it predicted earlier. It says historically Malaysia's tourist industry is highly negatively correlated with Thailand. To a lesser degree the same is true for Indonesia. In other words, many tourists change their destinations to one of these two other countries. While there is not much of a mongering scene in Malaysia, Jakarta is a surprisingly good and relatively unknown monger's destination.
I'm still planning to visit Bangkok for a few weeks in June and early July. Nothing short of armed insurrection and gun battles raging on Sukhumvit will keep me away. But those of you with less of an appetite for excitement may want to read up on Jakarta night life and read the appropriate threads in ISG.Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.
Regards,
Ko
Paul Kausch
02-25-14, 05:21
Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.
Regards,
KoNotice I didn't write unknown; I wrote relatively unknown. I meant relative to places like Bangkok, Pattaya and Angeles City. Of course, many men have "discovered" Jakarta. And some of these men post on ISG. It is hardly unknown.
How busy might the airport be on a Monday at 1pm? This will be in May, off season so I'm hoping it will be a quick run through.Go to the Airport Arrivals section of the Airport web site and look to see how many planes are landing every 15 minutes from 1100 to 1400. Assume 200 passengers per plane (discount internal flights) and multiply the number of landings by 200 for each 15 minute period.
You will then see if 1300-1315 arrivals estimated numbers compare with the quarter hours before and after 1300. You will be able to see how busy relatively your arrival time is.
Alternatively travel Club Class and use Fast Track.
Alternatively I have a piece of string for sale. You can measure it that will tell you how busy the airport will be.
Here are the deadliest countries with automobile accidents, along with the number of fatalities per 100, 000 residents. Note that there's only one overlapping country, Malawi. ("Congo" refers to the Republic of the Congo, not the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which is a completely separate country.)
1. Namibia (45)
2. Thailand (44)
3. Iran (38)
4. Sudan (36)
5. Swaziland (36)
6. Venezuela (35)
7. Congo (34)
8. Malawi (32)
9. Dominican Republic (32)
10. Iraq (32)
Here are the deadliest countries with automobile accidents, along with the number of fatalities per 100, 000 residents. Note that there's only one overlapping country, Malawi. ("Congo" refers to the Republic of the Congo, not the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which is a completely separate country.)
1. Namibia (45)
2. Thailand (44) Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.
Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.That does make perfect sense; the same in the Dominican Republic.
Thanks for the input.
Traveler1234
02-25-14, 09:19
Whoever told you that Jakarta is an unknown mongering destination? Just read (as you wrote yourself) the Jakarta threads and you will be enlightened.Lets keep it a secret!
Thailand is leadings in this because the number of motorcycles. None of the other countries has as many. 80% of the road deaths are from a motorcycle. Taken that out, considering car and trucks deaths only Thailand would not rank so bad.Exactly right. And take out alcohol and there would even less. So stay sober and on four wheels, and you're better off in Thailand than most places in Asia (India, China, etc.) , never mind Africa. But then most tourists will never go to places like that, so I think it kind of gives them a little thrill to come here and think, oh Thailand, it's so dangerous!
Does Thailand sell generic Cialis (Tadanfil) and how much? I tried doing a search but the results don't take me to the post.
Of course you can buy it in Thailand. Price, you will need to ask the people at the pharmacy
Actually, bona-fide Cialis generic is almost impossible to find, or if you have specific information post it here.
So, farmacies will only keep the original one, some are reported to even sell fakes, but perfectly counterfeited.
I had no problem finding it around nana. Soi 4 and sukhumvet area. Cost more than vitamin V. Out of the way small places most likely don't have it though
ConquerorVal
03-02-14, 23:03
Handy guide for first timers taking bus to Pattaya from the BKK airport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9n4Hx_fOA
Lot of people quote Stickman like he is Moses or some great prophet, I don't but this is an article from his site that somewhat relates to the on going discussion on the Bangkok thread. If you're thinking about marrying a Thai woman read this and come to your own conclusion. The article was written by someone named Arthur, would it be you Mr. Tick from Chaing Mai?
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1803.htm
Paul Kausch
03-06-14, 00:01
this is an article from his site that somewhat relates to the on going discussion on the Bangkok thread. If you're thinking about marrying a Thai woman read this and come to your own conclusion.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader1803.htmThis article was carefully thought through and very well written. Thanks for posting the link.
Over the years I've know a number of couples with different racial, ethnic, cultural and / or religious backgrounds. I was married to a woman who though also from the USA had a very different regional (cultural) background than me. I've also been in long term relationships with a woman from Eastern Europe and one from the Middle East. I've had a lot of conversations and learned a few things about these matters over the years.
Any long term relationship is a challenge, even when two people come from the same homogeneous close knit community. To the extent to which each person's background varies, the relationship becomes more challenging. Men who have had difficulties in relationships with women with similar backgrounds to their own may want to think carefully about whether moving to Thailand to find a mate is a good idea. Move to the LOS for a lower cost of living, a tropical climate, great food and a plethora of relatively inexpensive sex workers; but don't go there expecting to find a better mate than you were able to find at home. Maybe you'll get lucky. I wouldn't bet on it.
Where, in your opinion?
I read the forums regularly (and travel often sticking my nose into odd places) , and do not have said insight. Not Cambodia, it's in decline. Not the Philippines, in serious decline, with AC being a holdout. Not Laos, oh no, girlies are still quite underground. Not China or Vietnam for sure. Plenty of prostitutes, but quite mercenary, no trace of relaxed Thai GFE attitudes of the 1990s and early 2000s. Where! Burma? Indonesia? Saudi Arabia?
Sure, a fair number of prostitutes can be found in almost any country (with the exception of Saudi or USA) , but I haven't traveled anywhere that approaches Thailand's golden age (say, Pattaya in early 2000s) by a mile.What's your definition of "golden age" & relaxed "GFE attitudes?
The PI certainly has a rep for the GFE and LT sessions being allowed by the girls. If that is what you'ld liken to a "golden age" & how it was from 1990 to the early 2000's, then I'd say the present Siam is what I'd prefer and call a superior golden age.
I don't care for clingy, chatty, LT, or girls who want you to cum inside & impregnate them. I do enjoy BB, DFK & a nice friendly fun girl who will, apart from sexercise, keep her mouth shut & is willing to please. In today's LOS, & since the mid 2000's, I have had my wish come true & discovered this easy enough to obtain.
Moreover since that time to 2013 in my area of interest prices have remained at 1000 baht ST with the quality & quantity remaining fairly constant. So zero percent inflation. BTW low seasons IME tend to be more golden than high seasons.
Further, from recent reports since the protests of Suthep late last year, there is some anecdotal evidence that BKK is presently experiencing something of what may be described as a golden period. That is, reports stating how easy it is to pick up the more stunning ladies at the gogos, etc.
The Stickman article that got this whole "golden years" discussion going was based on one guy's experience. It made some silly comments about prices now being the same in BKK as in the West. It spoke of TGs today being fat relative to the thin days of a quarter century ago. If almost anorexic is your thing, then maybe that is golden. Others prefer girls with a bit of meat on their bones & a curve or two.
So maybe Mr Stick should look elsewhere in Asia, to countries that don't have the golden arches on every corner, & the culture remains relatively pure & uninfected with Westernism. Like it was in the alleged heyday of the Kingdom.
OTOH there's always Africa where those unhappy with present day LOS can have stunners for a daily banana.
Re "no trace of relaxed Thai GFE attitudes of the 1990s and early 2000s." How many ladies from these countries have you been with? I'd suggest trying more. I expect that in any country on this tiny ball we live on, & certainly the ones listed, one could find what I'd call a relaxed GFE. Though I'd settle for an exciting turned on horny girl GFE too. As it can be found amongst your mercenary nationalities in mechanical SG, where can it not be found?
Crocodilexp
03-26-14, 21:49
That is, reports stating how easy it is to pick up the more stunning ladies at the gogos, etc.I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.
Western787
03-27-14, 02:28
I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.You've not seen a single stunning girl in "many years" in Go Go's or "anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas?" Very hard to believe.
And at best they only range from "dogs to acceptable?" LOL.
If you once drove a Ferrari Modena and now could only afford a brand new Porsche 911, would you then complain the Porsche was really a crap box? Yes, you might in fact IF you took the Ferrari for granted and became complacent, spoiled, and jaded.
I guess that's where we differ. It's been many years since I saw stunning girls at agogos, or anywhere in the Farang nightlife areas. Simply compare any agogo with Siam BTS station, and it's obvious they only range from dogs to acceptable. Thai working girls have never been exactly top-notch looks-wise (good looking girls rarely get into the industry and tend to get out quickly) , but used to more than make up for it with great attitudes. Which is no longer the case, in addition to declining looks. On Sukhumwit, I find that the best looking girls these days are those good looking girls from 5 years ago. Just older and more jaded.
As for elsewhere in Asia (e. G. China / Vietnam) , sure you can strike a nice one once in 5-10 sessions, but since I'm still under 50, given those odds, I'd rather invest time, money & effort in actual girlfriends.
Of course, for someone who just flew in from Bumfuck, Iowa, available girls in Bangkok are absolutely amazing, but for a resident the decline is difficult to miss.I've spent about half my time residing in BKK since 07 & have not noticed a decline in looks in the street walker scene. Gogos, MP's & other types of P4P or FLs are not my thing, so I won't comment on what I haven't experienced. Even with the street scene I am not out there 24/7/365 & restrict myself to a very small area.
Within the past 3 years I've picked up some of the hottest girls I've ever seen anywhere, including SG, Siam, MBK, tens of thousands of online porn images, etc. These were found at the Nana parking lot NEP area vicinity, working from the street as FL. I had no real problem with their attitudes as they were polite friendly & willing to please, including BB sex. Of course people living in BKK who only occasionally visit the scene, just like short visiting sex tourists, may easily miss finding such gems. If you want to do the crime, you need to put in the time.
As for GFs, they are anathema to me, as are any clingy creatures who can't stop chatting & get physical. So I prefer to find keepers in P4P, often those fresh off the farm who speak no English or are deaf & dumb, but happy to spread their legs for what is, to them, a lot of baht. The infamous lower Suhkumvit area will forever attract this type of girl.
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 02:40
I would appreciate it if some of you gentlemen would take the time to reply to this post with any knowledge, experience or thoughts you have on this topic.
For some time I've taken 5mg of Cialis daily for a benign enlarged prostate. I'm not convinced it's doing anything for my prostate. It does affect my sex life. Without taking an ED medication the best I can manage is a semi-hard-on with the use of so called herbal or natural ED pills. With daily Cialis I can get a raging hard-on any time of the day or night, including immediately after ejaculating. Unfortunately as I bang away, even on a tight, sweet, young pussy, it feels as though my dick is rather numb, it's difficult for me to cum and my orgasm is a bit of a mild letdown.
So I've tried an experiment. I went of the Cialis for three days. It's supposed to take up to 36-hours for the medication to get out of your system. Sometimes I overdo things. Then I've experimented with Viagra (50mg) and Levitra (10mg). I write the brand names but I'm actually using good quality generics. Here is my observation. The Viagra takes a good hour before I notice any significant effects. I'm able to get a great erection from about 1 hour until about 5 hours later. As much as 12 hours later I still get some diminished benefits. I have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense. Levitra seems to work faster. It takes full effect in 45 minutes or less, seems to last a little longer but while better than Cialis is not as good as Viagra for not diminishing the sensitivity and intensity of the orgasm. I also notice I get mild side effects from Levitra: a mild headache and a stuffy feeling but no mucus production in my nose. I can also get these side-effects with 20mg doses of Cialis. I get no unwanted side effects from the Viagra. However, even with the Viagra I would not describe the sensitivity and intensity as being as good as I experienced even ten years ago when I was not taking any ED medications (I'll be 63 this summer).
I take everything I just reported with a grain of salt. I'm one subject. I know which medications I take each time. While I have long experience with Cialis, my experiences with the Viagra and Levitra are much more limited.
I am having great fun conducting these experiments with a couple of local strippers who find it funny, and profitable, that I'm using them to advance science.
So my question is simple. I'd like to know what the good readers' experiences on this matter may be. I've done searches on the subject, and while there is a plethora of information, and nonsense, on the general topic, I've not run across anything that directly addresses what I'm trying to determine. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.
I appreciate any thoughts or information you may wish to share.
I would appreciate it if some of you gentlemen would take the time to reply to this post with any knowledge, experience or thoughts you have on this topic.
For some time I've taken 5mg of Cialis daily for a benign enlarged prostate. I'm not convinced it's doing anything for my prostate. It does affect my sex life. Without taking an ED medication the best I can manage is a semi-hard-on with the use of so called herbal or natural ED pills. With daily Cialis I can get a raging hard-on any time of the day or night, including immediately after ejaculating. Unfortunately as I bang away, even on a tight, sweet, young pussy, it feels as though my dick is rather numb, it's difficult for me to cum and my orgasm is a bit of a mild letdown.
So I've tried an experiment. I went of the Cialis for three days. It's supposed to take up to 36-hours for the medication to get out of your system. Sometimes I overdo things. Then I've experimented with Viagra (50mg) and Levitra (10mg). I write the brand names but I'm actually using good quality generics. Here is my observation. The Viagra takes a good hour before I notice any significant effects. I'm able to get a great erection from about 1 hour until about 5 hours later. As much as 12 hours later I still get some diminished benefits. I have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense. Levitra seems to work faster. It takes full effect in 45 minutes or less, seems to last a little longer but while better than Cialis is not as good as Viagra for not diminishing the sensitivity and intensity of the orgasm. I also notice I get mild side effects from Levitra: a mild headache and a stuffy feeling but no mucus production in my nose. I can also get these side-effects with 20mg doses of Cialis. I get no unwanted side effects from the Viagra. However, even with the Viagra I would not describe the sensitivity and intensity as being as good as I experienced even ten years ago when I was not taking any ED medications (I'll be 63 this summer).
I take everything I just reported with a grain of salt. I'm one subject. I know which medications I take each time. While I have long experience with Cialis, my experiences with the Viagra and Levitra are much more limited.
I am having great fun conducting these experiments with a couple of local strippers who find it funny, and profitable, that I'm using them to advance science.
So my question is simple. I'd like to know what the good readers' experiences on this matter may be. I've done searches on the subject, and while there is a plethora of information, and nonsense, on the general topic, I've not run across anything that directly addresses what I'm trying to determine. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.
I appreciate any thoughts or information you may wish to share.All of your symptoms are quite common. They just tend to vary in intensity by individual, and by type of medication.
Loss of sensitivity is a common side effect. I have friends who report that, and I have experienced it with Cialis, too. Also when mixing C and Levitra as an experiment.
I find that Viagra causes me to become quite stuffy and flushed from about 45 minutes after ingestion, for about 30. 40 minutes. If I take too much I tend to get something akin to heart palpitations, for lack of a better word. Very unpleasant.
Levitra has similar, but much milder, side effects.
I like Cialis due to having less sever side effects, but in my case it takes several hours to begin having an effect. I need to take it over a few days to see significant effects. One funny story, similar to yours. Several years ago, during a trip to BKK, I took 20mg every day for several days. Things were OK but one day it happened. I was exiting the Skytrain with my ex-GF who I've always though was very pretty. We exited at MBK, she was slightly in front of me. I looked down at her shapely ass in her jeans and BAM! Instant tent pole and there was nothing I could do about it. Luckily my pants were slightly baggy. I was very embarrassed walking into MBK sporting major wood.
I find that all give me something of a headache and / or stiff neck later that night.
In your case, it sounds like you're on a bit too heavy of a dosage of C. Have you considered 2. 5mg per day? Or 5 every other day?
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 05:25
All of your symptoms are quite common. They just tend to vary in intensity by individual, and by type of medication.
In your case, it sounds like you're on a bit too heavy of a dosage of C. Have you considered 2. 5mg per day? Or 5 every other day?Thank you, I really appreciate the information. Cutting back the dose may work. I'll try that, starting with 2.5mg per day, because after a few trials with the Viagra or Levitra I'd go about 48 hours taking nothing and then do 5mg of Cialis. I'd still experience the diminished sensation. I know Cialis generally takes 36 hours to get out of your system, so you always have some of the last dose in your system when you take your next dose.
I think I just need to continue my experiment and try different doses.
I suspect you're right. There are great individual differences in reactions to different medications and doses.
Your story about walking into MBK with a raging erection is funny. Baggy pants or not, you know at least a few other ladies noticed.
World Jockey
03-29-14, 06:12
Ok fellas. It's been a while but here is my report.
First off I apologize if it's a little lengthy. The thing is 1. I will be reporting on two areas. 2. I will be sharing some of the thoughts and experiences of my wingman who is not on the board. Going forward I'll refer to him as "Sam". In addition to this I normally don't bring up race and age as an important factor however IMO (and that of my wingman) in Thailand it was a relevant in some instances. That said on with my report.
So we decided to hit Thailand and Philippines this trip.
The first night we landed in Bangkok with plans to spend one night and then fly out to Philippines in the morning we have both been to Thailand before so we are a bit seasoned. Since we were only staying one night in BKK we decided to share a room at our old favorite the dynasty. We like that place because it has a sweet little alley way you can take the girls thru instead of doing the walk of shame thru the lobby.
Now both of us tend to to go for SWers as opposed to MPs, GoGos. Just our personal preference. To each their own. That said since we were sharing a room the first night we figured logistically it may be better for us to hit up a MP to get our rock off there as opposed to playing hot potato with the room while someone waited. We went to a place that was suggested to us off of soi 11. Sorry I don't have more details. I guess if I really liked the experience I would have written down all the particulars. Anyhow we are ushered in and agree to the 700 baht 1 hour full body massage with hope of a happy ending. I am in the room for 10 min and she pitches the happy ending. I ask her what she wants and she rep lies with 2000 baht. I say no partly because the fella who recommended the place told me he pays 1k and because I thought it was too much. Long story short we go back and forth for a while and settle on like 1300 and her frowning face. She scoots off and quickly returns with condom and towel. Right off she tell me certain positions are restricted. Like doggy style, her on top. And basically any other position I really like. 10 min into the position SHE wants to be in she asks me if I came? I didn't and told her so and the reason why. She said ok well hurry. I said no its fine we can stop and I paid her the 1300. She then extended her hand for a tip. Let's just say some facial expressions need no translation. I left and asked her to tell Sam I went back to the hotel.
When Sam met me back at the hotel he told me he had a similar experience. He was rushed and she tried to gouge him for 2300. We decided we need to find others girls for the night and this time freelancers. We grab some food and one of the street establishments. We like these places because we can eat a decent meal for like 100 baht and we get to see some regular local girls who happen to be eating there also.
After we finish eating its now around 2AM and we know our chances will begin to dwindle as the night goes on. Time to rock and roll. Within walking distance from our hotel there is a little area that seems to have a high population of arabic people. I tend to like the look many arabic women have so I always find myself going to that little area while in Bangkok (Another thing is the last time I was there a Thai girl stopped me on the street saying "please wait. My friend soon come back. She saw you earlier and wants you." long story short her friend was arab and we hooked up. Nice GFE). So w are walking thru the area and see like three women in nearly full Burkas standing on the side of the road. I think nothing of them until I one of them locked eyes with me. I thought "no, wait? Is she?". Next thing I know she grabs my are and says "short time 1000 baht?" I'm like. Hell yeah lets go! Later on that night Sam told me his thought process was similar to mine when he looked back and saw me speaking with her.
Anyhow the walk to the hotel and the stares we got was comedic gold. Imagine an Iranian woman in a full black burke walking down the street with a dark skinned black dude in the middle of a red light district in BKK. I could hardly contain my laughter. We get back to the room and I got to say I never thought I would ever see the day a woman would be stripping off a burka in front of me so we could have sex. The novelty of it all was a turn on in itself even if she was not the finest (about a 7) specimen in the world. That said I kept my cool because I knew I had a golden opportunity here about potential inside mongering info info in Iran. So I made sure I grilled her with all my questions before we started. For those interested she said its dead unless you know a local. Even then its really difficult in Iran. Nothing like Asia. I figured as much but Just wanted the inside scoop.
We had a nice session. No rushing, GFE, She came multiple times. After we were done I met up with Sam he met a girl and it was time to pass the room on over. I waited downstairs and chatted with the the local Lady boys while waiting for him. They always seem to be nice to converse with and at 4am basically they were the only ones left on the street.
After Sam was done we went back up and crashed. We woke up early to calls from the states. Apparently our flight was in the air the same time as the "missing" Malaysian flight.
We were off the next AM to Philippines. I will report the details of that trip over in the AC forum.
We returned to Thailand and it was straight to Pattaya. 1200 baht for a taxi. I hear shuttle is cheaper. IMO it is in every respect better than BKK. 1. Nicer more relaxed ambiance 2. Easier to get around 3. Cheaper prices for everything 4. Many more hotel or apartment options 5. The possibility of hooking up with Russian tourists. And a host of other reasons I have been to Patty before but decided to RTFF to get some hotel ideas. You guys rock but I didn't decide on any of the ones I saw mentioned. Sam and I tend to like more low key spots where we can fly under the radar. Yeah I know we are only visiting and will probably never see these people again. However we still want a little privacy when bringing girls back. Most of the ones mentioned were either on the main road or had bars downstairs with too much going on. That said when we got there I decided to take a stroll and price shop. Unfortunately for me we got there and noon and it was an inferno. I eventually won and found a nice apartment / hotel on a quiet side street off 2nd road callerathome apartments. The place seems pretty new, it has wifi, balcony, tv, ac, fridge. All the basic amenities. No bar downstairs and only two people at the desk at any given time who are usually paying us very little attention. For 900 baht a night we found it to be a steal Pattaya action as usual never disappointed. We had fun meeting girls on the beach road or just by chance. I will just mention situations worth noting.
One late night we were eating and a couple of girls were on their way home. They were a little on the chubby side but one was clearly better looking. I fell back and let my friend take her back. I couldn't take one for the team with the friend / cousin because she was just too large. He said he had a great time with her. The following night we bumped into them again only this time there were 3. And the new edition was to die for. Sam was now kicking himself in the head because he knew I would go after her and he couldn't pass up the lady he was with the night before we went back to the hotel and come to find out the girl was a newbie. Yep according to her I was the 2nd man she had been with. The next day Sam told me her friend told him the same thing while they were in the room."you friend I hope he be gentle". It was and it was a nice GFE.
Aside from working girls we did try our hand at regular girls. Both Thai and Tourists. Sam is of the opinion that I had an advantage over him with the Thai because of the way I look. First I'm black and there are relatively few black people in Patty. Many of the regular Thai women seemed to be curious. Most of the ones I was with said I was the first black person they were ever with. Often times I was stopped on the street and women asked to touch my skin. We get regular foot massages (legit) while in thai and at the end the always do a quick scalp massage. They ask if my hair is real. Once I say yes they say something to the other girls and they all ask permission to touch my hair.
I once asked a girl what was up with all that and she told me it may sound funny but the only time some of them see black people is on TV. White, Indian. People they are used to seeing. I am sure my color could have rubbed some people the wrong way but I didn't experience it.
The other factor he thinks helped me with regular girls is age. I am about 20 years younger than him. Personally I think money reigns supreme when it comes to motivating women but meh. Who knows. Now twice we did exchange info with regular girls a few times but no fruits. I think what works best is if you meet them online before coming so you can build the rapport and anticipation. Meeting a girl on the street and expecting to hook up first night probably won't happen.
Now the Russian tourists are everywhere and may have better luck with them as they are under the same vaycay time constraints. However and we had zero luck with them. Maybe we needed more time or to hang out in areas they were hanging out in; but it seemed hard to even get eye contact out of them. I am quite sure its possible to hook up with some ladies traveling in pairs or small groups but it just didn't happen for us this trip. I would encourage my fellow mongerers to keep that option open in the back of your heads because its totally doable (pun intended). I think a lot of guys are so focused on natives they don't consider that option. I have done this before in other countries it can be fun fellas.
The rest of the trip went without incident. We will no doubt be returning to Pattaya.
Sorry so long and for typos and stuff.
viagra (50 mg) takes a good hour before i notice any significant effects. i'm able to get a great erection from about one hour until about five hours later. as much as 12 hours later i still get some diminished benefits. i have more sensitivity, climax more easily and my orgasms feel more intense.my experience with viagra (which is a trade name for sidenafil citrate) tracks with mr. kausch in some respects and differs in others.
i too notice viagra takes about an hour to kick in. the lag time can be even longer if i've eaten a meal before going out for the evening. this can present a problem when i pull a stunner from a nana go-go bar and head for a nearby hotel. there just isn't enough time for the medication to work. i've found i can speed up the process by chewing the tablet before swallowing. it's a little bitter, but easily washed down with a drink. this reduces the lag time to about 30 minutes. i have also taken a 100 milligram tablet, and used a pill cutter to divide it into two dose of 50 milligrams. the resulting tablet is slightly fragile, but easily protected by wrapping in a square of toilet tissue. i've found a divided tablet takes effect almost as fast as a chewed one.
unlike mr. kausch, i find viagra slightly reduces sensitivity. this isn't necessarily a bad thing. when i'm sitting with a soi 6 hottie in pattaya who is trying to "convince" me to go short time by jamming her tongue down my throat and running her tiny little hand up my shorts to jack me off, there is always the risk of finishing too soon. with the viagra it's like i'm 18 years old again. i'm rock hard during all the preliminaries, but secure in the knowledge that when we get to the room i'll still be ready for the main event. the decreased feel never reaches the point where i don't enjoy myself. (unless i'm really drunk, but that's not the medication's fault.) i usually find i'm ready to pop at about the same time most girls are ready for the same. the sensation when i do is excellent. i'm usually a one-and-done guy, so i can't speak to how well it works for any encores.
as for delayed benefits, i find that if i take viagra two or three days running there is a residual effect in between doses. again, this can be fun when i'm sitting with a girl who thinks letting me "run the bases" will convince me to spring for a session. sometimes i'll duck away after lunch for an hour in some cool dark place getting all worked up, but not going any farther. (i'm a gentleman, of course. so i spring for a few lady drinks and tip the girl a few hundred baht for her efforts.) with a low dose of viagra on board the girl can play with mr. wood to her heart's content while i try to stretch a double into a triple. is there any better way to relax after lunch?
bunky
Paul Kausch
03-29-14, 19:20
My experience with Viagra (which is a trade name for sidenafil citrate) tracks with Mr. Kausch in some respects and differs in others.
Unlike Mr. Kausch, I find Viagra slightly reduces sensitivity.
As for delayed benefits, I find that if I take Viagra two or three days running there is a residual effect in between doses. BunkyI should have done a better job of organizing one of the paragraphs in my post. Early in a paragraph I wrote that I have more sensitivity with the sidenafil and then at the end of paragraph mention that my sensitivity was greater ten years ago before I started taking ED meds. All these meds reduce my sensitivity; sidenafil the least.
You last observation is interesting. Are you taking the sidenafil at 24-hour intervals?
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Don't overdo the dose of ED's, I have learnt the hard way. First time I tried it just for fun I popped a large 100mg or what ever it is. It was embarrassing to have to sit in the place after the deed was done and just try to make it go down. Had to push it down a pant leg and hobble out like a pirate with a peg leg.
Paul Kausch
03-30-14, 02:33
Don't overdo the dose of ED's, I have learnt the hard way. First time I tried it just for fun I popped a large 100mg or what ever it is. It was embarrassing to have to sit in the place after the deed was done and just try to make it go down. Had to push it down a pant leg and hobble out like a pirate with a peg leg.Yes, absolutely. One of the warnings is go to the ER if you get a prolonged erection or you can get permanent damage. I find more is definitely not better. When I was using Cialis once in a while I learned 10mg was better than 20mg. I'm on 5mg daily for my prostate. I'm going to try 2.5mg daily as Phordphan suggests. Also I'm going to experiment with 5mg Levitra and 25mg Viagra. A few years ago I started with 25mg Viagra. My doctor told me to double the dose if 25mg didn't do the job. I found I needed to do that. But that was years ago and I'm in better health now so 25mg of Viagra may be fine now. I'll report the results, but it will be awhile because I will try each dose a couple of times and I allow a couple of days between doses when I switch to a different med.
FruitNinja
03-30-14, 03:58
Yes, absolutely. One of the warnings is go to the ER if you get a prolonged erection or you can get permanent damage. I find more is definitely not better. When I was using Cialis once in a while I learned 10mg was better than 20mg. I'm on 5mg daily for my prostate. I'm going to try 2.5mg daily as Phordphan suggests. Also I'm going to experiment with 5mg Levitra and 25mg Viagra. A few years ago I started with 25mg Viagra. My doctor told me to double the dose if 25mg didn't do the job. I found I needed to do that. But that was years ago and I'm in better health now so 25mg of Viagra may be fine now. I'll report the results, but it will be awhile because I will try each dose a couple of times and I allow a couple of days between doses when I switch to a different med.Back in the States Viagra commercials are non-stop, especially if watching sporting events. I always joke that the last thing I'm going to do if I have a four hour hard-on is go to the ER. I'm going to start calling every woman I know inviting them over. Viagra does a good job for me. I thing for me the desensitized is more related to frequency. At home if I pop a 50 and have one girl for the night I'm good. Do that a few nights in a row and it starts to desensitize the whole process. I'm about at my limit on this trip. Really need to take a breather.
Are you taking the Sildenafil at 24-hour intervals?Not in the way that some Cialis users do. But when I'm on holiday the "as needed" dose sometimes works out to be a daily dose. (At least during the first week. After that I find time for other activities.) That's when I notice the Sildenafil has the lingering effect I described earlier.
Bunky
Paul Kausch
03-31-14, 18:59
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Feb. Jan. Dec. Nov. Oct. Sept. Aug.
2014 2014 2013 2013 2013 2013 2013.
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Total Arrivals ('000) 2, 174 2, 320 2, 598 2, 399 2, 066 2, 056 2, 469.
YoY% .8. 1% 0. 1% 6. 7% 11. 9% 14. 7% 27. 6% 28. 1%
Occupancy Rate 62. 1% 61. 2% 64. 3% 69. 4% 59. 8% 60. 5% 66. 4%
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If these numbers are nation wide, the decline in Bangkok is even greater as the tourism industry noticed travelers changed itineraries from Bangkok to other parts of Thailand.
FruitNinja
04-01-14, 11:03
Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy!
Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy!Contrary to popular belief, women are far messier than men.
Contrary to popular belief, women are far messier than men.But when in a room with a man, after enough sex had been had, most of them seems compelled to do some cleaning or at least pretend they are.
While the most a man can do is walk around the bed to make it up together, such a nice collaborative and team building act.
Ask any man with teenage daughters how often he gets to even see his bath room, he's lucky to be able to shower off with the cold hose behind the house because the daughters are trying to water damage the whole house with constant steam bath showers.
Mr Enternational
04-01-14, 15:45
Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.
Crazy!LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.
Wolvenvacht
04-01-14, 19:49
LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.Go to any "Thai" hotel (I mean one mostly frequented by Thai and not Western people) and hardly ever there is a shower door or shower curtain and in the rare cases there is a curtain it is not used. They must find it unclean or so.
If you want to avoid the violence of water festival, don't go to Burma. It is much worse than Thailand and much more organized. They divide the country into two teams, sadists vs masochists. The former batter the latter from prepared positions. This goes on for days. It is the time of year when the cork comes out of the bottle of the traditionally quiet and polite character of Burmese society. Here is a photo to make my point.
FruitNinja
04-01-14, 23:22
LOL. I have a Thai apt style bathroom, but I installed a shower curtain around the shower so as not to wet the entire bathroom. A few have sense enough to close the curtain, but most? Fugeddaboudit.A cutie from Sensations just left. Walked into the bathroom and it's a swimming pool. I hate wet floors in the bathroom. I mean there's enough germs in there to begin with, no need to get them wet and spread the around. Jeez.
Sorry I missed you this time. Maybe in December January.
Gorgon. I lived through a teenager. Between her and her mom I should have got a hotel room. And chemicals! Shit we had about four nice sized shelves in the tub area I built using the same granite I did the walls with. I had a razor. The rest was shampoo's, conditioners, loofas, and all kinds of other lotions, creams, conditioners and stuff I didn't even know what they were.
The one that just left took an hour shower. I finally just washed my dick in the sink. I should have asked her to pay for the room.
Posting here because I'm here but this applies to all of Asia that I've seen. When these girls use the bathrooms to clean up its as if a monsoon hit. Water everywhere. Floor, mirror, walls, and even ceilings. I'm going to set up a video camera to see what the hell they do in there. I don't know how many times I've inadvertently sat on a wet toilet seat.IME this never happened in 7 years with dozens of NEP area street walkers in BKK over hundreds of sessions. Although the floor & toilet seat is rather commonly a bit wet. On occasion there is also some extra mess, such as baby powder in various places.
In Geylang over 5 months I never had this problem with 4 different Asian nationalities.
If girls are hitting the mirror, walls or ceiling, they may be on drugs, practicing for Songkran or getting revenge for jiz going where it shouldn't have.
As an aside, a pictorial definition of a rather stunning specimen:
http://openwalls.com/image?id=10166
If you want to avoid the violence of water festival, don't go to Burma. It is much worse than Thailand and much more organized. They divide the country into two teams, sadists vs masochists. The former batter the latter from prepared positions. This goes on for days. It is the time of year when the cork comes out of the bottle of the traditionally quiet and polite character of Burmese society. Here is a photo to make my point.Jeeez! Your surgical analysis makes your point come across clear as water gun fling. The world is divid in two, water battles lovers and haters, this year I'll skip the doubt on where to side, because I got to go home!
Paul Kausch
04-15-14, 20:57
Perhaps the Thais will come to appreciate the relatively well-behaved farang tourists.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/travel-feature/405082/teething-troubles-for-chinese-tourists
Perhaps the Thais will come to appreciate the relatively well-behaved farang tourists.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/travel-feature/405082/teething-troubles-for-chinese-touristsSome of the girls are dead gorgeous though, intelligent too.
Been her almost 15 years and really out of the many hundreds of gals I have been with only a few, and I can count them on two hands, have ever had a problem with DFK. And when I hit the room and the door closes my tongue is down their throats. Never been into the "sniff-kissing" business.If that is true, then why do others report a success level way under 50 percent? Most likely they are referring to P4P gals who've been in the business varying amounts of time & mainly hail from Northern farm country Thailand.
Where do your girls come from, Bangkok? Are they civvies, educated, worldly wise, farang dating site sluts? Do you pay them 1000 baht ST or ridiculous amounts (expensive gifts included)? Do you game them or wine & dine them? Is the age disparity between the two of you averaging less than 10 years or more than 40? Are you a handsome young man wearing brand names & chanel number 5?
How do they respond to you stuffing your tongue down their throat? How long is the average kissing session? I believe the less good looking & more desperate the lady, the more likely she'll be willing to kiss & have some talent in it. Unlike Western caucasian women who are generally into kissing as foreplay, ISG members have said their experience is that TGs usually don't do it until they are turned on during genital intercourse.
Love Sex 22
04-22-14, 04:25
I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?
Logical Asian
04-22-14, 18:48
I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?Nice pictures. Brought back a lot of memories from the early 70'sh. Went to Pattaya and Jomptien for R&R during the war. Real hang loose place to relax. A lot of free spirit girls running around. Nakon Rachasima is also known as Korat.
I found these photos. A bar in Nakon Rachasima, around 1960. The girls look much better than today in Bangkok Bars. Can some one identify himself there?To be generous I'd give them an average rating of 5 points out of a possible best of 10. Evidently the hair styles & colouring, clothes & make up of the ladies 5 decades ago was quite inferior to what it is in YK2.
Unlike back then, nowadays a female can easily upgrade herself about 2 points by making good use of such things, as well as contact lenses to change her eye colour, push up bras, surgery to greatly enhance her looks, etc. Back in 1960 & even relatively recently such advantages were not available.
Moreover in 2014 TGs are more sexually liberated in the way they dress, act, talk and serve their guys.
BTW sometimes I've seen P4P gals going to a party amongst their coworkers get themselves looking so much better than they normally do. I had to wonder why they wouldn't do that for every day on the job. If they did they would spend less time standing on the street, pull dates much quicker, get better tips, more repeat business & be able to command a higher pay grade & quality of client.
Bangkok 20 years ago was good, in that could sometimes meet very part time girls in Thermae or bar newbies who were very passionate in sex. I recall a newbie bargirl that kept waking me up during the night for another round of sex. I guess she never had good sex before. Doesn't seem to happen that much in the modern day that a girl will wake me for more sex. LOL
Although girls were far cheaper, I earned a lot less, and exchange rate was worse too. $25 for a cowboy girl for the night back then. Quite good I guess. I suppose it was so cheap you could not justify sleeping alone, and taking a wank would be ridiculous. The Hotel room 2 star was probably $25 per night also. In the modern day I would never stay in hotels / inns like Nana, Honey, Miami, Crowne, etc. But back then I tried them as that is what friends were recommending.Brazilian girls have a rep for awesome asses & being passionate rather than Thai ladies who are considered more mechanical and mercenary. Which recalls this quote I read somewhere:
"since OP seems fixated on female companionship, he might find a few months in Brasil in the Sir Richard Francis Burton School of languages would make Bangkok a distant memory!"
I find that TGs often almost bite my lips when kissing. If that's an indication of passion, it's a turn off & something I can do without. Having had smooching sessions with dozens of Western women, most of whom were better at kissing than the Thais, I never experienced one inflict damage to my mouth.
If digging one's nails into my flesh indicates passion, then I've also experienced that with at least one or two TGs.
Other than those issues, I wasn't around LOS 20 years ago, so don't have an experiential point of comparison with the past 7 years. Even if I had been in Siam 2 decades ago, my experiences relative to the whole scene would be next to nothing, so virtually useless as regards an objective conclusion on the entire scene compared to what it is today. The same principle applies to anyone else comparing their ancient experiences to 2014.
That being said, however, I've found the "passion levels" with a fair percentage of the dozens of TGs I've been with since 2007, whether its real or good acting, to be significant. But as long as I'm enjoying myself it doesn't really matter that much to me if the provider I'm employing is. Though I've had them walking out the door without any money, thanking me for the great time, or offering to cut the donation in half if I make them cum again. I'm sure the P4P nymphos out there don't get too many guys who will happily kiss or bang them nonstop for hours.
On that basis I'm sure I could get some attractive girls in Thailand for free & never have to pay for sex with prostitutes. Often for weeks on end though I prefer to take care of my sexual desires alone. Even if the hottest the country had to offer showed up at my door offering to let me have her way with her for nothing, I'd turn her away. Sometimes even hookers, let alone a GF or wife, is just too much drama or hassle to be bothered with. Too much of a good thing is bad & can become boring & monotonous. I often rather enjoy autoeroticism while eyeing hundreds of history's most stunning bodies in one session.
V Stiviano with lips to die for:
http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vanessa-Perez-v-stiviano-ronald-sterling-girlfriend-images.jpg
http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-28-at-9-35-46-am.png?w=495&h=493
Like a lot of Thai ladies.
Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.
Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.Pattaya offers significantly more bang for your buck, with girls & hotels, than BKK.
In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost.
Germany? I expect hotel prices will be much more than BKK there too. Not to mention the air fare cost to get there from my home, SEA. A trip from BKK to SG is much faster & cheaper than BKK to Berlin.
Mr Enternational
05-07-14, 02:25
V Stiviano with lips to die for:
http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vanessa-Perez-v-stiviano-ronald-sterling-girlfriend-images.jpg
http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-28-at-9-35-46-am.png?w=495&h=493
Like a lot of Thai ladies.That is one ugly broad.
Mr Enternational
05-07-14, 02:30
Saw 3 girls today in Bangkok, spent roughly $350 USD on them. Had lots of massage, before and after. Spent more 'time' with the girls than I would in Germany 'but' in Germany that same $350 could have gotten me sex with 5 girls. But the selection of girls in Bangkok wins hands down compared to the choice of the girls working in each club you visit. Will have to see what develops when I venture down to Pattaya in a week.Well that same $350 will get you sex with 10 girls long time in Pattaya. That is a lot of money to shell out in one day in Thailand. You could have even gone to a soapy and gotten 3 girls for $180.
Well that same $350 will get you sex with 10 girls long time in Pattaya. That is a lot of money to shell out in one day in Thailand. You could have even gone to a soapy and gotten 3 girls for $180.I was including everything, beers, ladydrinks etc. Probably closer to $300, my math last night was off. 2000 plus tip at cherry. 4000 at nataree (farang surcharge I'm guessing) .600 barfine and 2500 plus tip for gogo takeout. Plus beers, ladydrinks etc puts it right around 9800 baht. Won't be heading back to nataree, wasn't worth the extra cash.
"In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost."
No chance. USD 20 is about Sing $25. You'd be getting something very rough for that. For S$50 you can get a Bush pig, or S$100, if you're lucky, something reasonable at the end of the night outside of OT, but the going rate in Sing is around S$150. For USD 340 you could manage 3 girls there.
"In Singapore you could screw 17 SEA hotties for 340 USD, but your hotel room will be half the size as in BKK for the same cost."
No chance. USD 20 is about Sing $25. You'd be getting something very rough for that. For S$50 you can get a Bush pig, or S$100, if you're lucky, something reasonable at the end of the night outside of OT, but the going rate in Sing is around S$150. For USD 340 you could manage 3 girls there.Recent posts in the Geylang thread of Singapore on ISG say otherwise.
Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?
Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?I have a cheap phone and a smart phone. I use both. The smart phone for internet. The cheap phone cost me about 700 baht. A SIM card and minutes were extra but cheap. I don't use it much but since my trips now are usually more than two months, I wouldn't be without it. It helps with planning for taxis, visa runs, lodging, airlines and of course contacting your favorite ladies.
That is one ugly broad.Not into the high cheek bones, full lips look, eh? Could be Bieber's classy new GF or a more mature Thai lady is more your type:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/thai-leader-forced-resign-court-ruling-pushes-political-064205032.html
https://ca.celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celebrity-news/-meet-justin-bieber-s-new-girl--yovanna-ventura-132128570.html
Pattaya is full of the latter look, though BKK generally considered to have more beauties. If looks is all that matters, then no doubt the BKK NPL girls would put to shame those ladies on Pattaya's Beach Road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.
Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?
Traveler1234
05-08-14, 01:37
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my Tm.TMO overseas is awesome, used in in BKK for past 15 days without a problem.
Mr Enternational
05-08-14, 04:34
First you better make sure you have the right plan. It is the Simple Choice Plan. I keep my T-mo card in my Galaxy S5 to use for internet and texts that I receive from the states. I keep my True Move card in my Galaxy S1 for all calls (only 1 baht/min back to the states) and local texts. Be careful though. If you have visual voicemail and you press the icon you will get charged 1 minute international roaming even though you did not listen to the messages.
Rodwint2:
I think a cell in BKK is a very nice convenience. Do you have T-Mobile in the USA? If so just ask TMo to give you the unlock code and unlock your phone. You can also go to Ebay for an unlock code from a reliable party. When you get to Thailand go to any phone store or 7-11 and spend 50 Baht on a Thai Sim card. You'll have to pay extra to add minutes. At that point your phone will have a local Thai cell number. Calls within Thailand and to the USA will be much cheaper than TMo's roaming rates. You also won't have any surprises when you get home. I have read stories about people getting $400-$600 bills because their phones incurred data roaming charges. Your unlocked phone can also be used in most other countries.
You don't need a second phone. If you have ATT or T-Mobile, your unlocked phone will work in Thailand with a Thai Sim card. If you have Verizon or Sprint, then consider buying a cheap, unlocked phone in Thailand or on Ebay.
Rodwint2:
I think a cell in BKK is a very nice convenience. .
You don't need a second phone. If you have ATT or T-Mobile, your unlocked phone will work in Thailand with a Thai Sim card. If you have Verizon or Sprint, then consider buying a cheap, unlocked phone in Thailand or on Ebay.There is only one problem:
If somebody will call you on your usual phone number he will not be able to contact you and the calls are unanswered.
Roaming charges apply also for incoming calls (on your original SIM card) , as the calls from arborist are charged at home as an international phone call made by you.
Nevertheless if you want people back home to be able to contact you you really need a second phone: one to get calls from home and one to use locally and eventually call home.
Rechargeable SIM cards are subject to an expiry date if not used and recharged regularly.
The one I bought and used in April will not last longer than mid June, unless I recharge it before that date.
But as I will not be able to do so before September, it is "lost". Not much for the 100baht in it, but your number will be gone.
Good and bad at the same time.
Mr Enternational
05-08-14, 07:11
Rechargeable SIM cards are subject to an expiry date if not used and recharged regularly. The one I bought and used in April will not last longer than mid June, unless I recharge it before that date. But as I will not be able to do so before September, it is "lost". Not much for the 100baht in it, but your number will be gone.If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.
Recently, I noted that carriers like T Mobile have claimed that they have international roaming and 20 cents per minute rates to the US. However, it is not clear if you use a T Mobile phone in Bangkok, how much the charges per minute will be.
Rather than taking a chance with a convoluted contract discussion, is it easier to just by a disposable phone with minutes in Bangkok, just to use there? What costs are we looking at and is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK?The best card IMHO is True inter also by true move. If you get the original, not the tourist card from 7/11 it is 1bt per minute to europe or the us. You will find it where they sell lots of phones. It is valid for 1 year after the refill.
If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.I stopped in a 7-11 and they said they didn't have a sim, went to terminal 21 shopping mall on asoke and they had several places on the 6th floor. Picked the shortest line and bought a happy sim card. Looks like its good for 120 days. Registered it online and you can refill the card to keep the number for what looks like a minimum of 50 baht. There's also an option to add international service but when I tried doing that it asked me to go back to the shop to switch sim cards for free. Maybe they have to do something for that to work.
If you get True Move your number is good for one year from the last day that you recharge it.Good and useful advice, thanks for this, making a couple of trips per year, with a one year validity allows to keep it as "permanent" number. Useful if you call back girls who could have memorised your Thai number with a name.
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.As a T Mobile user, I was wondering exactly how it would work in BKK. One question, if someone in the US calls your number, does it ring in Thailand? If the call is answered, what rate are you charged by T Mobile? Is it still 20 cents a minute? Thanks again.
Things getting interesting here now:
A load of oaramilitary yellow shirts around Nana when I arrived yesterday afternoon. Had gone by the evening, but I was woken by a lot of noise in the morning from loudspeakers and people shouting.
A few army trucks in town, and military control points being set up at various positions including Pratunam. Very lively in Lumpini Park, with more yellows than I remember from my last visit. A military field hospital / control point still outside the park.
The red shirts are planning to arrive en masse from tomorrow, so may be a few problems. I'm leaving tomorrow morning so I'll miss the tear gas.
As before, it won't be a problem if you keep to the touristy areas. Have fun and play safe!
As a T Mobile user, I was wondering exactly how it would work in BKK. One question, if someone in the US calls your number, does it ring in Thailand? If the call is answered, what rate are you charged by T Mobile? Is it still 20 cents a minute? Thanks again.Your welcome. As Mr. Enternational said make sure you are on a Simple Choice Plan. I believe T-Mobile moved everyone over to same last November but best check if you do not know.
Yes, my Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile SIM does ring. And was 20 cents a minute. I get a lot of junk calls so most of the time I let it roll into VM if I do not recognize the number. And deal with it later via the Thai SIM phone (unlocked BlackBerry from T-Mobile).
Paul Kausch
05-13-14, 01:31
An article of interest:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runs
Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this: http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951 I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.
Mr Enternational
05-13-14, 13:59
Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this:
http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951
I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.Easy enough. Go have a tailor make one for you.
ActionOriented
05-13-14, 16:05
I remember having taken DTAC sim the last time I was in BKK and they had a prefix number "044" (or something like that, not sure) which allowed reduced calling rates to India. Do any of the other providers (AIS and Trumov, I think?) also have this feature. Unless other telecom providers have a similar provision, I am thinking of taking DTAC (with a better data plan).
Can I purchase a DTAC sim for iPhone 5S from an airport counter? Thanks.
FruitNinja
05-13-14, 19:49
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.The only problem I saw with T-mobile is not knowing what a text from an international text will cost. I think most of the girls would be hesitant making a text to a foreign number. Then there's the whole issue of figuring out how to reach a number. Seems that every country is different. I carry my T-mobile (2nd phone just for travel. Then I get a local sim for the specific country I'm in.
FruitNinja
05-13-14, 19:54
To ease your 'convoluted contract discussion' fears I live in Nongbulamphu (Esan) and I am a T Mobile user. I use both my T Mobile Sim over here and 2nd phone using TRUE MOVE. It IS 20 cents a minute if you wish to call back to the States or if you wished to call the person standing next to you to their Thai # it is 20 cents per minute. Text (SMS) messages are not charged which is the use of my T Mobile phone.
As for your 'is it even necessary to have a cell phone in BKK' query? To me absolutely yes.
As for my phones? Nexus 4 with the T-Mobile Sim and Blackberry with the TRUE MOVE Sim.The only problem I saw with T-mobile is not knowing what a text from an international text will cost. I think most of the girls would be hesitant making a text to a foreign number. Then there's the whole issue of figuring out how to reach a number. Seems that every country is different. I carry my T-mobile (2nd phone just for travel) Then I get a local sim for the specific country I'm in. ATT or Tmobile iphone works well for me.
Easy enough. Go have a tailor make one for you.Most tailors do not carry the correct material to make something like this because the type of material is normally used in military type material versus a suit or pants in an office. I know my tailor doesn't carry the type of material and that is why I was asking the folks on this board.
Most tailors do not carry the correct material to make something like this because the type of material is normally used in military type material versus a suit or pants in an office. I know my tailor doesn't carry the type of material and that is why I was asking the folks on this board.If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.
If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.Yes, it is to much trouble to deal with a tailor for something like this. There is always some place that has it already manufactured and ready for sale. By seeing and handling the jacket, I can tell the quality right away.
Paul Kausch
05-13-14, 23:43
If you show them a sample of the fabric they will get it.
Problem is that all these tailors have cheap quality, whatever people says on "top tailor"
Lots of artificial fibers even when they swear it will be 100% cotton.Generally I agree with you. However there are a couple of good, reputable tailors in Bangkok who have very high quality fabrics in their inventories, such as Italian wools and long staple Egyptian cottons. I don't doubt they can get this type of heavy twill. The problem will be time and cost. A normal order will be for many yards of many fabrics. A few yards of one fabric will be very expensive per yard.
Wolvenvacht
05-14-14, 20:20
Does anyone know where I can find a good quality safari or Bush jacket in Bangkok? It would look like the safari jacket that you would see in those movies made in the 1950s. The closest thing that I could find online was this: http://www.travelsmith.com/bush-poplin-safari-jacket/16951 I was hoping that I could find a light weight jacket with no liner and made of tough cotton material like twill or poplin. Thanks.I received good service and quality from Tailor on Ten (who is at the end of Sukhumvit Soi 8) for my suit and shirts. They operate their own workshop; so they can take custom jobs (which may take a few weeks to get done). The owner is Canadian. Prices are not cheap but quality is really good. www.tailoronten.com.
Harry Dude
05-14-14, 20:28
I remember having taken DTAC sim the last time I was in BKK and they had a prefix number "044" (or something like that, not sure) which allowed reduced calling rates to India. Do any of the other providers (AIS and Trumov, I think?) also have this feature.
Yes. AIS has the same feature. With AIS you use 003 before the country code to use the reduced calling rate for international calls.
Can I purchase a DTAC sim for iPhone 5S from an airport counter? Thanks.Yes. Arrivals level at Suvarnabhumi Airport. DTAC is right next to the AIS counter.
Paul Kausch
05-15-14, 04:15
I received good service and quality from Tailor on Ten (who is at the end of Sukhumvit Soi 8) for my suit and shirts. They operate their own workshop; so they can take custom jobs (which may take a few weeks to get done). The owner is Canadian. Prices are not cheap but quality is really good. www.tailoronten.com.I concur with W. Tailor on Ten is not the cheapest place in Bangkok to get tailored garments, but they are honest, the fabrics are accurately represented and the workmanship is good, comparable to better tailoring in Hong Kong at a much lower price. As long as you don't mind paying a little more for a much better product and far better service, I highly recommend the establishment. Two brothers, Anglo-Saxon Canadians, run the business. Both are fine gentlemen.
Yes. AIS has the same feature. With AIS you use 003 before the country code to use the reduced calling rate for international calls.
Yes. Arrivals level at Suvarnabhumi Airport. DTAC is right next to the AIS counter.Don't you dial 005 to get the cheapest rates on AIS? Also before you buy at the AIS or DTAC stand at the airport, have a look at the 7-11 in the airport. I believe its 2 levels down from the phone provider stand. I almost bought an AIS Sim at the AIS stand. On a hunch I went to the 7-11 which is about a two minute walk. 7-11 sold me an AIS SIM that was less than half of the price of the airport AIS office.
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.1 Very god.
2. And so what?
3. No problem. Remember what you have read.
4. ??
5. 300 dollar a day is a lot of money.
6. Enjoy your trip and write a report.
Paul Kausch
05-15-14, 19:34
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.
Well I'll give you my two cents. I think Bangkok is a fantastic mongering destination, arguably the best in the world. First your budget. You are correct on the flight and lodging costs, which leaves you with US $300 per day ($1500 divided by 5). This is plenty of money to have a fantastic time. Inexpensive and delicious food is plentiful, so most of you money will be spent on P4P. You have plenty of money for that.
As a first timer you will want to stay and monger along lower Sukhumvit. You can get by fine with English and knowledge of a few Thai phrases: how to greet and thank some one and a few mongering specific phrases.
Going alone should also not be a problem. The forum provides plenty of information. Just devote sufficient time to read it thoroughly. You will arrive armed with plenty of local knowledge. If you ask questions that demonstrate you have taken the time to RTFF and still have questions, you'll find there are many great guys on the forum who are eager to help, so long as it doesn't appear you are just too lazy to read.
The only problem I see with you plan is five days is far too little time. It's enough time to visit a few MPs, spend a night or two on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza and visit a club such as Climax, but even after a two week stay I lament that my stay was too short. Regardless, if that's how much time you have, that's what you have to work with. Just be sure to do your homework, create a plan and familiarize yourself with where you will be going. Google searches and Google maps are great for this. You can even use Google Earth and the person icon to find your hotel and "walk from it to the venues you wish to visit.
Good luck. Hope this was helpful.
Crazy4Thai
05-16-14, 01:32
Hey guys,
4. I only have about 5 days total.
Thanks for any input.My first trip 25 years ago was only 2 days tacked onto a business trip to Singapore. Now I've been living here for 9 years. Have a basic plan so you are not overwhelmed by choice. You can get a comfortable clean room for no more than 1500 per night if you shop, leaving money for mongering. Street food is cheapest and often the tastiest. 2000 BT is kinda the norm for short time, plus a bar fine, unless you get a FL. Then you can go for 1,000 to 1,500. Massage shops Like Mango, Tulips, Bamboo, Snow White can get you an hour of PSE for 2000 all in. If you pick the right girl in a BJ bar you can get a PSE for about 1,000 to 1,200 lasting up to 30 minutes. If you go for the gogo girls your prices will go up and IMHO the experience is likely to go down. Find out how to offset jet lag so you'll be good to go when you land and when you return. Then start saving for your return as you WILL be back!
Well I'll give you my two cents. I think Bangkok is a fantastic mongering destination, arguably the best in the world. First your budget. You are correct on the flight and lodging costs, which leaves you with US $300 per day ($1500 divided by 5). This is plenty of money to have a fantastic time. Inexpensive and delicious food is plentiful, so most of you money will be spent on P4P. You have plenty of money for that.
As a first timer you will want to stay and monger along lower Sukhumvit. You can get by fine with English and knowledge of a few Thai phrases: how to greet and thank some one and a few mongering specific phrases.
Going alone should also not be a problem. The forum provides plenty of information. Just devote sufficient time to read it thoroughly. You will arrive armed with plenty of local knowledge. If you ask questions that demonstrate you have taken the time to RTFF and still have questions, you'll find there are many great guys on the forum who are eager to help, so long as it doesn't appear you are just too lazy to read.
The only problem I see with you plan is five days is far too little time. It's enough time to visit a few MPs, spend a night or two on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza and visit a club such as Climax, but even after a two week stay I lament that my stay was too short. Regardless, if that's how much time you have, that's what you have to work with. Just be sure to do your homework, create a plan and familiarize yourself with where you will be going. Google searches and Google maps are great for this. You can even use Google Earth and the person icon to find your hotel and "walk from it to the venues you wish to visit.
Good luck. Hope this was helpful.Thanks guys for giving me some input. Just the sheer expression of how easy and fun this could be has me convinced more than ever to take the plunge! Its a once in a lifetime trip so I might as well give it a shot. I will try and work on getting a day or 2 more. But other than that, I just need to experience this. I will keep reading the forum and ask questions as they come up.
Thanks again.
Lord Necros
05-16-14, 05:12
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.I traveled to BKK last month all by my lonely self. Its incredibly easy. BKK is very tourist friendly. If you know English, you will get by.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.I will teach you one. "Hakun Khap". It means Thanks.
Try to learn a couple more on your trip. It is not really needed but saying Thanks in Thai after a girl has done you service makes her grin hard.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).Its a very open and welcoming culture. Let common sense guide you and you will do fine.
4. I only have about 5 days total.I went there for 3 days. I am pretty sure a trip lasting years may also not be enough for some, but you have to start somewhere.
5 days is enough to get an idea of BKK and the p4 p market there.
Make sure that you have a plan, list of places to visit and are not walking around aimlessly.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).Good enough for 5 days. I spent around 1 k USD on my 3 days trip. And if you read my FRs, I didn't really live like a hobo there. 3 k will take you far.
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?If you plan your trip correctly, 1500 USD will be enough. 1500 USD is around 45 k Baht, which will buy you 2 hotties every night for LT, for the 5 nights.
If you can, I'll suggest putting in $500 more. I think 2 k for 5 days would be the perfect amount.
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.I have never been to Tijuana so can't comment on that. But I am sure the p4 p market there can't really compete with BKK.
If you've never been to TH, then you need to go there at least once.
Try to lodge near the BTS Nana area as all the fun is within walking distance.
I myself stayed in the iCheck Inn which i highly recommend. Some of the most famous fun shops like Eden, Dr. Bj are right next door.
These places are incredibly easy for a newb to start with and have friendly english speaking staff.
Try to Break every day into 4 chunks:
Morning, afternoon, evening and Night and make plans for each of them.
Never make any p4p plans for the morning. leave that time for sight seeing.
the fun market wakes up after lunch.
Have the 1st pop of the day around te noon and then schedule some acivity afterwards which allows you to rest a bit. and so on.
Hey guys,
I've been reading the forum and it has really peaked my interest in traveling to Thailand (Most likely Bangkok) However, my reason for posting is that this would be a HUGE trip for me. I am a complete rookie in this realm. I've done Tijuana plenty times A. Its close be. I speak spanish fluently. See. I know the money conversions the. Know the culture a bit more.
Here are my areas of concern:
1. I would be going alone...As in no one would even know I was going.
2. I don't know ANY words in the language.
3. Not familiar with the culture (althought I have been reading on it).
4. I only have about 5 days total.
5. Budget is 3 k (all in which includes flight and lodging).
I know the flight and lodging alone can be about $1,700 from where I am. That leaves me with say $1,500. I know it is cheap but is this worth it?
Tijuana is always a back up plan figure 700 covers flight and lodging for the same time period. Leaving me with much more to play with.
I know it's one of those you have to just go and find out for yourself, but am I in over my head with these items to overcome?
Thanks for any input.Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
1. Alone is fine unless you're timid. You'll not want for company after you arrive.
2. Language won't be an issue. Speak slowly and listen carefully. The accent will be strange. Most of the time Thais put the stress on the ultima, not the penult as in Spanish. Pa-ta-YAH, for example, instead of Pa-TIE-ya. Thai has no plurals and no conjunctions, and they tend to speak in the third person, so your English will sound weird. "SlickVick go Post Office." You'll do fine.
3. The culture isn't that much different from Mexico. Both countries have a very strong religious tradition that affects almost all aspects of life. If you wouldn't do it to the Virgin Mary, don't do it to the Buddha. Don't insult the king under any circumstances. The biggest difference between MX and TH is that the Thais tend towards fastidious personal cleanliness and they take their shoes off for everything.
4. 5 days is cutting it very short. It takes 2 days to get there. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from CA it's anywhere from 18 to 21 hours, plus you lose a day. Coming back you gain that day. So, if you leave on Monday you'll arrive on Wednesday and when you come back you'll arrive on the same day you left. Factor that into your 5 days. You should consider trying for a minimum of a week, maybe 10 days if possible.
5. Budget it tight but doable. If you don't mind 2 and 3 star hotels and eating street food (which is the best in the world save perhaps Singapore or Penang), then it's doable. Staying around Soi 4 (Soi Nana) is a bit like staying in the Zona Norte. If you like it, OK. I think it's like sleeping in the sewer. I prefer somewhere closer to Asok, personally.
Now some food for thought. First the budget. While food is cheap and lodging is reasonable, booze may not be. How much do you drink? A bottle of beer in most go-go bars will run around $5, give or take, unless you can hit a happy hour. This is about 50% more than Zona Norte bars, and 2 x1 (a staple in every ZN bar except Hong Kong and Adelita) is very hard to come by in Thailand. Factor that into your fun budget. Ficha drinks are called "Lady Drinks" in TH and will run anywhere from $5 to $6+ depending on the bar. That's a bit cheaper than the Zona Norte, but only just. Factor that in as well.
Transportation will be an added expense. Learn the Skytrain (BTS) routes and it's much easier than any other form of transport. Each trip will run somewhere in the $1.00 to $1.50 range. This is by far the way to go, but it stops running at midnight. There is a subway, too (MRT). Same rules apply. Unlike Tijuana, taxis are metered and you should insist the cabbie use it. Taxis for trips around lower Sukhumvit will tend to run $2 to $5. However, when the bars close the taxis congregate and it's hell to get one to use the meter. Use your best judgment. Anyway, the point is to factor transportation charges of around $10 a day into your plans.
Next the girls. Hong Kong ladies run $60 to $80 for 30 minutes, plus $17(?) for the room. Girls from Adelita, Tropical, etc., may be less, as low as $40. For the same $40, or about 1200 Baht, you'll probably be looking at the lower end of the spectrum of Thai ladies, probably beer bar or freelancers (YMMV as usual). Unfortunately, the going rate for most ladies has risen to about 2,000 baht, or $62. Now you also have to factor in the "Bar Fine," which doesn't exist in Zona Norte. That tends to be around 600 baht, or about $20. If you need to get a short time hotel that will run somewhere between 300 and 600 baht, too. I haven't had to do a ST hotel in a long time. If you are reasonably close you can just go back to your room, unlike the Zona Norte. Unfortunately, a short time encounter these days is far closer to the Zona Norte times, I.e. Around 30 minutes to an hour. To summarize, you'll pay between $80 and $100 for the girl, depending on whether or not you need a short time hotel. And this is for an average girl. The top chicas get 3,000 to 4,000 for the same time, or between $90 and $125, plus the bar fine. Now you're knocking on the door of $200, and this is with no drinks. So, your horizontal encounters are probably going to cost you considerably more than those of the Zona Norte. And don't forget the "Coyote" dancers who may not be available or, if so, may have bar fines in the 1000 to 1500 baht range.
Now you must consider the looks factor. Everybody had their own taste. However, if you like the Latinas, especially the pretty ones in Hong Kong Club, you will be sorely disappointed in the current crop of average bar girls in Bangkok. Again, I'm not the arbiter of taste. But the average looks of the Thai bar girls has gone downhill in the past few years (some say drastically). The average Latina, in my experience, is better in bed than the average Thai lady. If kissing is your thing you'll be disappointed in the Thais who tend to be terrible kissers. However, if DATY is your thing the Thai nether regions tend to be much sweeter smelling. I'm not recommending one over the other, but I think you need to have all the facts before committing to such a trip.
I think everybody should visit once. But, on the other hand, Tijuana is a far better place than it was 5 or 6 years ago and it's full of very pretty ladies. Nobody can say which place is better because they are totally different. But Thailand is no longer the haven of beautiful cheap pussy that it once was. The game has changed and Tijuana tends to be better value for money. Thailand has a much larger scene and there is more variety, I.e blow job bars, nice soapy and oily massages that don't exist in the Zona Norte. But you'll be spending as much or more for your fun and the quality of the ladies may not compare favorably.
So, think carefully and let us know your decision.
P.S. Thank you is Kop Khun Khrap (although the R is mostly silent). Hakun or Aukun is Khmer.
Phordphan,
That was one hell of a post! Thanks for giving me such a great breakdown and realistic expectations. It seems like pricing and overall spending isn't much different than in Tijuana. I also like your reality check of the girls. I do favor latinas over asian, but figured if I can get more action and see something different why not.
I am really thinking about it now. I do love the chicas from HK and AB, and if I can expect a downgrade from that...I am not so sure. Ultimately I'd love to visit BKK but now I need to weigh my options for this particular trip. I do agree with you that Tijuana seems to be getting better every trip so that is another incentive to go. I think I will need to break out the scale and marbles on this one..
Paul Kausch
05-17-14, 04:32
Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
Next the girls. Hong Kong ladies run $60 to $80 for 30 minutes, plus $17(?) for the room.Thanks Phordphan. It's nice to read a post that makes such a thorough comparison of two mongering destinations.
If I may, I'd add.
$70 (taking the mid-point) plus $17 for 30 minutes is $87 which is about THB2800. For THB2800, tip included, you get two hours, three holes and two shots with a one of the porn stars at Tulip or Snow White. As for performance, the less experienced Thai girls are, well, less experienced. Compared to SW of other nationalities, in my opinion you are more likely to find an experienced Thai SW who performs very well and actually seem to enjoy having sex with the client rather than coming across as a hardened mercenary. As for looks, that is definitely a matter of personal taste. In general I find the Thai ladies more attractive than the Latin ladies; at the same time I think the top Colombian and Venezuelan ladies are among the most beautiful women in the world. But that is a matter of taste. Youtube has lots of videos that will give you a sense of what the girls really look like, so you can draw your own conclusions. You do need to consider whether it is worth it to travel almost half-way around the world to fuck for a few days.
Lord Necros
05-17-14, 05:47
P.S. Thank you is Kop Khun Khrap (although the R is mostly silent). Hakun or Aukun is Khmer.Thanks! I didn't know that.
Paul Kausch
05-17-14, 06:00
Thanks! I didn't know that.So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.
Lord Necros
05-17-14, 06:09
So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.That one I know. Since my main source of the learning was the service girls themselves, I would say "sawadee kha" and "hakun kha" to everyone. Som corrected me and told me that was what girls say. Men say "khrap".
Lots of advice, most from guys who have never been to Tijuana. So, being intimately familiar with both locations, I'll toss my dos centavos into the mix.
1. Alone is fine unless you're timid. You'll not want for company after you arrive.
2. Language won't be an issue. Speak slowly and listen carefully. The accent will be strange. Most of the time Thais put the stress on the ultima, not the penult as in Spanish. Pa-ta-YAH, for example, instead of Pa-TIE-ya. Thai has no plurals and no conjunctions, and they tend to speak in the third person, so your English will sound weird. "SlickVick go Post Office." You'll do fine.
3. The culture isn't that much different from Mexico. Both countries have a very strong religious tradition that affects almost all aspects of life. If you wouldn't do it to the Virgin Mary, don't do it to the Buddha. Don't insult the king under any circumstances...I would add. I am assuming you have excluded the travel time there and back because otherwise you would have like two days there and that flight sucks. Your airfare if from California is $1000 to $1200. Rooms are like 800 baut a day because you probally want to stay where the action is. $1000 for 5 days is enough. I spend $300 a day personally there. Tijuana street girls although they look filthy are much cleaner than thai girls. Thai girls for the most part french kiss all customers, BBBJ, daty and lets just say bare back sex is common in Thailand. Tijuana street girls will do none of that at least I never met one that did. I would not want to kiss these girls but that's me. Also, I want to add. If you go to Thailand and I go every year. Do not go in the low season! I made that mistake one and will never do that again. Besides much less girls. Who wants to go on vacation while its raining hard everyday.
Every guy needs to experience Thailand one in his life. Excluding travel time you really need to do at least 7 days.
My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.
Wolvenvacht
05-17-14, 08:23
So as not to be confused if you hear a woman say the phrase, she will substitute a kha for the krap. For example, sa-what-dii khrap is the way a man greets someone. Sa-what-dii kha is the way a woman greets someone.
And that is a decent percentage of all the Thai I know.Another very useful phrase is "Phet nid noi, khrap", meaning "not too spicy" when you order food. It has saved countless of my taste buds ...
And when on the subject of Thai phrases, try "suwaai mak mak khrap" when you talk to a girl. It means "very very beautiful", or add "na" after the sentence but before the "krap". "Khrap" makes your sentence "polite", but "na" adds a subtle element of suave and loveliness. So "suwaai mak mak na khrap" puts the talk on a more intimate level and you know you are close to her heart when she answers "baag waan kha" (litteraly "you are a sugar mouth", i.e. you flatter me). The right response to that is "mai baag waan" ("I'm not flattering you", i.e. I am speaking the truth). GFE-sex will then usually follow. ;)
5 days is cutting it very short. It takes 2 days to get there. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from CA it's anywhere from 18 to 21 hours, plus you lose a day. Coming back you gain that day. So, if you leave on Monday you'll arrive on Wednesday and when you come back you'll arrive on the same day you left. Factor that into your 5 days. You should consider trying for a minimum of a week, maybe 10 days if possible.
Budget it tight but doable. If you don't mind 2 and 3 star hotels and eating street food (which is the best in the world save perhaps Singapore or Penang), then it's doable. Staying around Soi 4 (Soi Nana) is a bit like staying in the Zona Norte. If you like it, OK. I think it's like sleeping in the sewer. I prefer somewhere closer to Asok, personally.
Now you must consider the looks factor. Everybody had their own taste. However, if you like the Latinas, especially the pretty ones in Hong Kong Club, you will be sorely disappointed in the current crop of average bar girls in Bangkok. Again, I'm not the arbiter of taste. But the average looks of the Thai bar girls has gone downhill in the past few years (some say drastically).I've spent quite a bit of time in Tijuana's Zona Norte, dating back to the early 90's, so I thought I'd weigh in here.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Absolutely positively *GO* to Bangkok. It's totally worth it.
LENGTH OF TRIP: Concur with Mr. Phordphan that the journey is *so* freaking long that it behooves you to spend as much time as possible on the ground once you arrive. You mentioned it might be possible to add a couple of days to your stay in Bangkok. That's a very good idea. Don't book any trip with more than one stop en route. It's just not worth it to save a few dollars.
BUDGET: Mr. Phordphan knows whereof he speaks in respect of the cost of P4 P in BKK. On your budget I would recommend against trying to get laid more than once a day. I think you would enjoy one session with a hottie more than two sessions with average girls. The scene in Bangkok is many *many* times larger than in Tijuana. For the new guy, half the fun is going from place to place and checking out the girls. If you budget for one quality session per day you can enjoy the hunt and make sure to find a girl that you think is hot.
Street food is cheap and good. You can also eat cheap at the "hawker stalls" at the MBK Center and Terminal 21. Those are what Americans would call a "food court" in a "shopping mall." The Terminal 21 complex is connected to the Asok BTS station. Very convenient to all the hotels favored by punters.
HOTELS: I respectfully differ with Mr. Phordphan regarding the lodging available on Soi 4, south of the Nana Entertainment Plaza. It's an area that's popular with punters, that's for sure. But it's nowhere near as nasty as Zone Norte. It's bigger, cleaner and there are actually some nice pubs, restaurants and other places. There are plenty of nice hotels available at decent rates, and they are light years better than dumps like the Hotel Coahuila and Hotel Cascadas. I suggest you consider the places on Soi 4 about 200 meters south of Sukhumvit, or on a side street called Soi 6. Those are close enough to NEP that you can use them instead of a short time hotel, saving 300-400 baht.
I concur with Mr. Phordphan that lodging near Asok is also a good option. Look at the places on Soi 23. The only problem with doing that, in my view, is that Soi Cowboy has become a shadow of its former self. It's largely a tourist trap trading on its reputation, many of the bars owned by "The Arab" are clip joints, and the prevalence of coyote girls who tease but don't go totally defeats the purpose of your visit. (If I wanted to pay too much for beer while leering at girls I can never have I'll stay in the states, thank you).
You can split the difference and stay at a hotel near Sukhumvit that's west of Asok and east of Soi 4. Spend some time reading the hotel forum on this board to learn more.
BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: Again I must respectfully dissent from Mr. Phordphan's opinion. He sets up a bit of a straw man when he compares the "pretty" girls at the best club in the Zona Norte (curiously named Hong Kong) to the "average bar girl in Bangkok." A more realistic comparison would be between the hotties at the Hong Kong Club in Tijuana and the stunners at Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or the top shelf girls at the Rainbow 4 in NEP.
I realize this is highly subjective. But I've been with both and as far as I'm concerned the BKK girls win the "Battle of the Brunettes." It's the law of averages. There are more girls in Rainbow 4 on a busy night than in the top five Zona Norte clubs combined. Can you get lucky in Tijuana? Sure, if you stumble onto the legendary Rosie back in her prime at the Chicago Club, or nail her friends Esua and Sophi (who looked like a college freshman but sucked dick like one of the old pros at Star of Light). But when I was in the Hong Kong Club in February it was a packed sausage-fest. I couldn't sit down, let alone hope to attract the attention of one of the hotties. In Bangkok the selection is at least an order of magnitude better. If you can't find somebody you fancy, you're not trying.
THE EXPERIENCE, IN THE BAR AND EN EL CUARTO (that's "in the room" for those of you who don't speak Spanish):
Simply no comparison between the depressing outlaw scene in Mexico and the gentleman's playground that is Thailand.
In Tijuana you can pay for a lady drink, but often as not you bump into your favorite in the aisle and ask "vamos arriba?" which means "we go upstairs?" Veterans know this is the time for haggling over price and service. Very romantic. Not. In Bangkok, at least in the go-go clubs, I can spot a girl I like on stage and invite her for a drink. There's a little cuddling, some light petting and if she's anxious to seal the deal, the petting gets a little heavier. Last trip I recall sitting down with a hottie at Mandarin and five minutes later she had her hand up my shorts to give Mr. Wood some very personal attention. Sipping a cocktail, checking out the dancers while your sweetie jerks you off is a very nice way to tune up, if I do say so myself. Even if I decide I'm not ready to head back to the room, it's OK. I can give the girl a couple hundred baht (about $6) and move on. In the Hong Kong Club you can pay $20 or more (that's 600 baht) for a "privado" in a tiny little room, but it lasts the length of one song and the girls keep their hands to themselves. Not a good value.
In Tijuana you have to use the hotel associated with the the bar where you found your sweetie. You go next door, climb a flight of stairs to the second floor and stand in line behind other "couples" for the privilege of paying to use a short time room. You get one ratty towel between you, unless your tip persuades the guy at the front desk to part with a second. The room is a 80 square foot tile box, to facilitate hosing out the cum on a regular basis. There's a bare bulb on the ceiling, a sad queen size bed, a shelf bolted to the wall and a tiny shower and sink off to the side. Many of the girls decline to shower before you get started. Some will only partially disrobe. Virtually none of them will do a BBBJ.
So you get a two-minute condomized blowjob, followed by some in-and-out. If you make it to the ten minute mark the girl will usually start to demand "you feenish?" Keep your socks on. Who knows what's on that floor. Afterwards many of the girl's favor a working girl's bath over the sink, followed by 30 second of dressing and a bolt back to the bar. If you're inclined to use the nasty shower, do it quick. The "cum boy" will pound on the door to let you know to move it along. On the way out, he will demand a tip.
In Bangkok even the most mercenary go-go girl will change into a nice outfit before heading out with you to your hotel. You walk hand in hand into the night, or hop in a taxi or tuk tuk back to your place. At a minimum, she's going to take a shower to start. If you're lucky you can shower together. Then it's off to the bedroom, where you can count on BBBJ about 95 percent of the time, followed by as many positions as you care to try. Unless you're a real porn star or too drunk to come, you'll get as much time as you need to finish. In fact, most of the girls take pride in getting you off, regardless of how long that takes. Cum on tits? Not a problem. Cum on face? Arrangeable. Afterwards you both shower, chat a little bit, maybe have a drink from the minibar. Even the high volume go-go stunners will be with you for the better part of an hour during a short time session. And of course there's always the chance to arrange an overnight session, something that's unheard of in Tijuana.
Like I said, I spent quite a bit of time in the Zona Norte back in the 90's. Just my opinion, but the internet ruined the place. Demand exploded and supply didn't keep up. (Thanks for nothing, Brockton O'Toole!) There just aren't enough good looking girls. The same dynamic is at work in Thailand, but the scene is so much bigger a punter who is willing to spend top dollar can still have a good time. That's why I'm allocating all my holiday money to the other side of the international date line these days.
Bunky.
BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER: Again I must respectfully dissent from Mr. Phordphan's opinion. He sets up a bit of a straw man when he compares the "pretty" girls at the best club in the Zona Norte (curiously named Hong Kong) to the "average bar girl in Bangkok." A more realistic comparison would be between the hotties at the Hong Kong Club in Tijuana and the stunners at Baccara on Soi Cowboy, or the top shelf girls at the Rainbow 4 in NEP.
I realize this is highly subjective. But I've been with both and as far as I'm concerned the BKK girls win the "Battle of the Brunettes." It's the law of averages. There are more girls in Rainbow 4 on a busy night than in the top five Zona Norte clubs combined. Can you get lucky in Tijuana? Sure, if you stumble onto the legendary Rosie back in her prime at the Chicago Club, or nail her friends Esua and Sophi (who looked like a college freshman but sucked dick like one of the old pros at Star of Light). But when I was in the Hong Kong Club in February it was a packed sausage-fest. I couldn't sit down, let alone hope to attract the attention of one of the hotties. In Bangkok the selection is at least an order of magnitude better. If you can't find somebody you fancy, you're not trying.You point is well taken. My wording was clumsy. Hey it was about 1:00 am when I posted it. :)
What I was trying to get at was the overall looks of the girls, not to compare hotties to hotties. Generally speaking, Latinas have a nice ample ass (IMHO there is nothing as nice as a well-shaped Latina ass), and proper curves. Thais (and Asians in general) tend to flat asses. Latinas tend to have shapelier legs. Very generally speaking, and depending on the percentage of Spanish vs Indian blood, Latinas tend to have larger racks than the Thais. This is all highly subjective, and I've had Yellow Fever for about as long as I can remember. But my point was that the prototypical "Latina look" will be more difficult to find in LOS, and the OP should consider that, in case it's a deal breaker. Yes, Rainbow 4 has loads of pretty girls. But it seems they all have nose jobs and boob jobs, which are a major turn-off for me. Again, this is all subjective and there is no accounting for taste. But my intent wasn't to compare the best Tijuana girls with average beer bar girls in Thailand.
As an aside, I've seen loads of pretty ladies in plenty of other Tijuana venues. Personally, I don't see the attraction of Hong Kong these days. Yes, the girls are pretty but there are tons of pretty girls in the other clubs. Hong Kong (for those who've never been) is a US-style strip club with Mexican contact rules. It's a sausage fest on weekends and the girls are extremely poor value for money, looks or no looks. But I digress.
Simply no comparison between the depressing outlaw scene in Mexico and the gentleman's playground that is Thailand.
In Tijuana you can pay for a lady drink, but often as not you bump into your favorite in the aisle and ask "vamos arriba?" which means "we go upstairs?" Veterans know this is the time for haggling over price and service. Very romantic. Not. In Bangkok, at least in the go-go clubs, I can spot a girl I like on stage and invite her for a drink. There's a little cuddling, some light petting and if she's anxious to seal the deal, the petting gets a little heavier. Last trip I recall sitting down with a hottie at Mandarin and five minutes later she had her hand up my shorts to give Mr. Wood some very personal attention. Sipping a cocktail, checking out the dancers while your sweetie jerks you off is a very nice way to tune up, if I do say so myself. Even if I decide I'm not ready to head back to the room, it's OK. I can give the girl a couple hundred baht (about $6) and move on. In the Hong Kong Club you can pay $20 or more (that's 600 baht) for a "privado" in a tiny little room, but it lasts the length of one song and the girls keep their hands to themselves. Not a good value.
In Tijuana you have to use the hotel associated with the the bar where you found your sweetie. You go next door, climb a flight of stairs to the second floor and stand in line behind other "couples" for the privilege of paying to use a short time room. You get one ratty towel between you, unless your tip persuades the guy at the front desk to part with a second. The room is a 80 square foot tile box, to facilitate hosing out the cum on a regular basis. There's a bare bulb on the ceiling, a sad queen size bed, a shelf bolted to the wall and a tiny shower and sink off to the side. Many of the girls decline to shower before you get started. Some will only partially disrobe. Virtually none of them will do a BBBJ.
So you get a two-minute condomized blowjob, followed by some in-and-out. If you make it to the ten minute mark the girl will usually start to demand "you feenish?" Keep your socks on. Who knows what's on that floor. Afterwards many of the girl's favor a working girl's bath over the sink, followed by 30 second of dressing and a bolt back to the bar. If you're inclined to use the nasty shower, do it quick. The "cum boy" will pound on the door to let you know to move it along. On the way out, he will demand a tip.
In Bangkok even the most mercenary go-go girl will change into a nice outfit before heading out with you to your hotel. You walk hand in hand into the night, or hop in a taxi or tuk tuk back to your place. At a minimum, she's going to take a shower to start. If you're lucky you can shower together. Then it's off to the bedroom, where you can count on BBBJ about 95 percent of the time, followed by as many positions as you care to try. Unless you're a real porn star or too drunk to come, you'll get as much time as you need to finish. In fact, most of the girls take pride in getting you off, regardless of how long that takes. Cum on tits? Not a problem. Cum on face? Arrangeable. Afterwards you both shower, chat a little bit, maybe have a drink from the minibar. Even the high volume go-go stunners will be with you for the better part of an hour during a short time session. And of course there's always the chance to arrange an overnight session, something that's unheard of in Tijuana.The Tijuana scene of the late '90's hardly compares with the scene in 2014, both for better and worse. But it's hardly Outlaw.
Perhaps I've been doing it wrong all these years, but your experience Tijuana doesn't mirror mine. In 100% of my encounters in the various ZN bars I've never walked up to a girl and said "Let's fuck." And the ones who ask me that get blown off. One can sit with the girl as long as one wants, as long as one is willing to buy lady drinks, much the same as Thailand. You can chat, joke, laugh, do some of Pit Bull's Lick, lick, bite, bite, nibble nibble if you wish. Then head to the room. Again, mirroring my experiences in Thailand. In fact, in local Mexican bars, there's a lot more of this than simply running upstairs.
Your hotel description sounds like some of the shitholes along Constitucion or in the alley, but hardly represents the average short time hotel in the ZN. Hotel Coahuila and Cascadas have been remodeled a couple of times since the '90's and are much like an early Motel 6, for lack of a better comparison. Rizo de Oro's rooms are decent. Even Hotel Jalos is OK. No bare bulbs, cable TV with porn channels, bathrooms are separate, if you want an extra towel you tell the guy at the desk and give him $1, no problem. Except for size, most compare favorably to places like Asoke Place, or that joint, whose name escapes me, that the Patpong girls like to use. Yes, the Thai girls are much cleaner but I've never had a MX bar girl refuse to disrobe. So, if you are going to discuss Hong Kong ladies you must include Cascadas hotel, not Rio Nilo. :D
Concerning performance, you comments about BBBJ are well taken, although it's becoming more prevalent in Thailand. But, to be fair, although apparently it happens, I've never had a girl rush me to finish. Of course, I almost always do hour sessions, so time is rarely a factor. But stories of such bad service aren't unique to Tijuana by any means.
The Thailand scene, as you pointed out, is still much more relaxed than the scene in the Zona bars (at least at Hong Kong and Adelita). But that seems to be changing. Short time used to be from 2 to 3 hours. Now it's sub-1 hour. Let's discuss this same time next year and see what has happened. Nothing good is my guess.
Like I said, I spent quite a bit of time in the Zona Norte back in the 90's. Just my opinion, but the internet ruined the place. Demand exploded and supply didn't keep up. (Thanks for nothing, Brockton O'Toole!) There just aren't enough good looking girls. The same dynamic is at work in Thailand, but the scene is so much bigger a punter who is willing to spend top dollar can still have a good time. That's why I'm allocating all my holiday money to the other side of the international date line these days.
Bunky.Agreed. The Internet ruined Tijuana, it's ruined BKK and deep into ruining Cambodia and Burma. I guess we do kill the things we love. The Thai scene is certainly much bigger, but I think it's debatable whether or not a punter willing to spend top dollar can have a better time in Thailand or Tijuana. It's no longer as clear-cut as it once was. I still go to Thailand every year, and have been doing so since 1999 (OK, I missed a couple of years, but only a couple) but I no longer go just for the P4P scene.
My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.OK, not quite correct but they are basically cracking down on long term stayers who continually do visa runs. There are a lot of foreigners in Thailand who live and work, or just retire, there full time on tourist visas. They usually have a 30 day visa, sometimes 15 days, depending on your nationality, and just go over the border (Laos, Cambodia, etc). And come straight back in to renew their visa. This has been happening for years. The government has now decided to crack down on this. If you do a visa run and have pages of Thai visas and not much else, they may refuse you enter. This only applies to land crossings. The plan is to extend this to fly in / fly out in August. If you only have one or two stamps and are planning on only staying 50 to 60 days, then this shouldn't be a problem.
Of course, there are lots of people who enter on a tourist visa and just stay there for years, they don't even bother with visa runs. Maximum fine for overstaying your visa in 20,000 baht (it's 500 baht per day). I've heard of people who have stayed for a few years and then left, paying the fine at the airport, and then coming back in a few days later. I'd expect this to change.
This does not apply to anyone on proper work visas, etc. It's only tourist visas. It was written up in one of the SE Asia papers a few days ago, I can't remember which one though.
Wolfman2009
05-18-14, 08:39
My buddy lives in Thailand and he just told me as of last week. Foreigners are only allowed to stay in Thailand something like 20 days. Then you have to walk over the border and reenter Thailand. Now the Thai government requires you to fly out and fly back in. You have to show proof of plane ticket. Now I did not read this in the paper I was told by my friend that lives there. Thing there just got a whole lot more expensive. People go there to save money but now with this new law Thailand will lose a lot of money. I will research this to confirm this and the date it takes effect. If anyone else knows about this please let us all know.Doing research on the internet I found my friend was given the wrong info. It is just guys that keep hopping over the border consistently without getting a proper visa. I found nothing online about showing airplanes tickets. Sorry for any misinformation I should have googled before posting. So that accurate info is they can now deny your entry if you do this too much. My buddy is going toy try to get a student visa to help him live there.
Generally speaking, Latinas have a nice ample ass and proper curves. * * * Your experience Tijuana doesn't mirror mine. One can sit with the girl as long as one wants, as long as one is willing to buy lady drinks, much the same as Thailand. * * * Hotel Coahuila and Cascadas have been remodeled a couple of times since the '90's and are much like an early Motel 6, for lack of a better comparison. Your comments about BBBJ are well taken, although it's becoming more prevalent in Thailand. * * * The Thailand scene, as you pointed out, is still much more relaxed than the scene in the Zona bars (at least at Hong Kong and Adelita). But that seems to be changing. Short time used to be from 2 to 3 hours. Now it's sub-1 hour. Let's discuss this same time next year and see what has happens. * * * The Internet ruined Tijuana, it's ruined BKK and deep into ruining Cambodia and Burma. I guess we do kill the things we love. The Thai scene is certainly much bigger, but I think it's debatable whether or not a punter willing to spend top dollar can have a better time in Thailand or Tijuana. It's no longer as clear-cut as it once was.Mr. Phordphan cogently notes the attraction of a "well-shaped" Latina with "proper curves." Sadly, many of the girls I see in Tijuana's Zona Norte are packing extra pounds these days. I realize lots of guys (both Mexican and Norteamericano) like well-upholstered girls. But I'm a sucker for a waifish brunette, so it's advantage Thailand for me. (Yes, I know the fast food bomb has exploded there too. But with *far* more girls in the scene it's easier to avoid the fatties). I'm also not adverse to well-executed cosmetic work. Granted, the porn star look is totally artificial. But the novelty doesn't wear off in the 90 minutes I spend with the go-go stunners, so that's a moot point.
As for the pre-romp experience, I take Mr. Phordphan's point that the Zona Norte clubs have improved somewhat over the years. The physical plants are nicer and the atmosphere more upscale. And of course the girls are happy to drink on your dime. I still contend, however, that the Thai girls' willingness to let their hands wander makes all the difference. The Latinas aren't prudes. But my "mileage" in Tijuana pales in comparison to Bangkok. And don't even get me started about the jump to hyperspace on Soi 6 in Pattaya or at places like the Telephone Club. Nothing like those places in Mexico.
Another factor that comes into play on this point is that the United States is very strict about drink driving. Unless you are willing to spend the night in Tijuana (and I'm not) you have to be rather abstemious when it comes to your drink because you will soon be driving a car in California. I know there is public transport (trolly and taxis) connecting Tijuana with places like Chula Vista, National City and even San Diego. But most punters travel by car and that introduces a risk that comes with serious legal consequences. In Thailand I can spend the evening on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) without fear of waking up in the monkey house.
I will further concede that the Hotel Coahuila and Hotel Cascadas are less scary than they used to be. But when I'm in Thailand, the girls come back to *MY* hotel, which is as nice as my budget permits. And I don't stay in the Thai equivalent of a Motel 6. (Shudder!) As for the other hotels mentioned, I will just note that if you pull a girl from the Adelita Bar or the Hong Kong Club, she will almost always insist on going to the "official" hotel. Those other places may be nice, but if you stay there you're forced to pull from second-tier clubs.
When it comes to the availability of a BBBJ, Mr. Phordphan is correct that some girls in Thailand will opt out. But in my experience it's only a tiny handful of newbies who work in the upscale soapies in Bangkok like Nataree. In Tijuana the default is a condomized blowjob, and it's an expensive hassle to do better. I'm sorry, but I'm old enough to remember when no self-respecting working girl would use a condom for a blowjob. Not having to worry about that in Thailand is a *BIG* advantage for me.
Lastly, I think Mr. Phordphan and I will have to agree to disagree in respect of which country is better for a punter willing to spend "top dollar." In Thailand I can stay in a five-star hotel (or lavish condo) that blows away any lodging in the Zona Norte (or the rest of Tijuana, for that matter). I can choose from a population of working girls that dwarfs those to be found in Tijuana. If I'm willing to pay top dollar I can persuade even the hottest go-go girl to go with me, and maybe even some coyote dancers. Then it's back to my lavish digs for a relaxed and patient session. (Shorter in duration than in the old days, but still better than the assembly line sex in Tijuana). Afterwards I can enjoy a nightcap with my mates or grab a bite to eat without worrying about the California Highway Patrol.
Good colloquy. Thanks to Mr. Phordphan for taking the time to weigh in on a topic I've been mulling over for some time.
Bunky.
Lastly, I think Mr. Phordphan and I will have to agree to disagree in respect of which country is better for a punter willing to spend "top dollar." In Thailand I can stay in a five-star hotel (or lavish condo) that blows away any lodging in the Zona Norte (or the rest of Tijuana, for that matter). I can choose from a population of working girls that dwarfs those to be found in Tijuana. If I'm willing to pay top dollar I can persuade even the hottest go-go girl to go with me, and maybe even some coyote dancers. Then it's back to my lavish digs for a relaxed and patient session. (Shorter in duration than in the old days, but still better than the assembly line sex in Tijuana). Afterwards I can enjoy a nightcap with my mates or grab a bite to eat without worrying about the California Highway Patrol.
Good colloquy. Thanks to Mr. Phordphan for taking the time to weigh in on a topic I've been mulling over for some time.
Bunky.Thanks! I enjoy the discussion. It's a bit like comparing chalk and cheese, but each location has its advantages and disadvantages.
Many of the MX ladies are on the chunky side, but bear in mind that they also service the locals, and most Mexican guys like chunky women. The Thai working girls who work the farang market, in general, wouldn't be touched with a 10 foot pole by the Thai punters. But there is no accounting for taste. Personally, I like technique and experience over beauty. I know a couple of chunky ladies in Tijuana who can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch, so I'm willing to overlook some physical imperfections! :D
And, as I mentioned in my first post, Thailand has things that just don't exist in Mexico. As you said, you'll never find BJ bars, soapies, etc., in Mexico. I will say that I wonder how long this will continue. The Thais, like the Mexicans, tend to be very patient and accommodating. Until they get pissed off, and then look out. Every "regular" Thai lady I know is aghast at things like an in-your-face BJ bar. I'm sure they, and certainly Soi 6's bars, violate Thailand's anti-brothel laws and stay open due to bribery. If, and when, Thailand cleans up its act, gets rid of the patronage system, look for places like this to get shut down. It won't happen overnight, but I think it will, and in the not too distant future. It'll be interesting to watch.
I completely agree about being able to take a girl back to ones own hotel. Much more convenient. But Thailand has the annoying bar fine, so from a cost standpoint it's not that much different. My question is, given the fact that more and more ladies are insisting on short time (and some stories I've read put those short times at about 30 minutes), how long before they refuse to go to a customer's hotel and insist on a close-by short time hotel? I suspect this may already be happening at some of the Jap-centric bars. Again, it'll be interesting to watch.
I disagree about staying overnight in Tijuana. There are hotels in all price ranges around the city. The "Love Motels" are very, very nice and very comfortable for overnights, too, although getting one on a weekend may not be possible. Drunk driving laws in the States had become so over-the-top that it's basically Prohibition by other means. So, I always get a decent hotel in Tijuana and party on.
Finally, let me point out that a punter spending top dollar was your term. So, let's discuss top dollar.
First, you're comparing 5-star hotels in BKK to Zona Norte accommodations and that's not an accurate comparison. There are no such hotels in Zona Norte, but there are a couple in Tijuana, and they are only a short cab ride away. Unless one has to stay at the Mandarin Oriental, Tijuana has plenty of decent accommodations on par with most of the mid-to-upper-range hotels in BKK. Tijuana isn't really an "International City" like BKK, and doesn't have a population of 10,000,000+, so there are certainly fewer 5-star hotels, but a top-dollar punter can certainly find a nice place to lay his head.
Next, few "top dollar" punters in Tijuana will limit themselves to the Zona. There are many other venues where ladies are available, plus escort agencies, web sites, etc., etc., where girls are easily available for all-night activities. It's also not all that difficult to get an all-nighter from Zona ladies, it just takes a bit more effort and money. But if you're willing to pay top dollar then there are beaucoup beautiful Latinas available, for as much time as you like. This is not unlike BKK in most respects, IMHO.
Next, the food. We all have to eat sometime. We all know Thai food is some of the best, and Thailand certainly has some of the best street food in the world. But what many people don't know is that Tijuana has become a very serious foodie destination. So, let's compare and contrast for the top-dollar punter. As one moves up the scale in BKK the food tends to be of the more Western variety (so we can get an accurate comparison, because the Mexican food in BKK sucks, as does the Thai food in Tijuana) and quality improves, but the prices increase exponentially. And the service is in inverse proportion to the amount paid, especially these days. Just as an example, I stopped going to Scirocco in State Tower a few years ago due to shitty service, and the problem has only gotten worse in most places. Now Tijuana has the Zona Gastronomico, and it's chock-full of some of the best places I've ever eaten. It's sort of a culinary hotbed, full of interesting small venues doing experimental food, traditional food and everything in between. My favorite, Mision 19, is one of the very best places I've ever eaten, regardless of price. I would put their menu up against anything in BKK. Another example. Their 4-course tasting menu (I can't get through their 7-course) is delicious, presented in very creative and beautiful ways, served by top-notch wait staff, and is about 440 pesos, or about $34, or 1,000 baht. Try getting that anywhere in BKK. Unless price is absolutely no object, one will be very hard pressed indeed to find Western food in BKK that compares to that of Tijuana.
How about drink? I know I love to hoist a few when I'm partying. Almost all Mexican beer puts swill like Singha and Chang to shame. The quality of cocktails in just about any higher-end establishment simply blow joints like Skybar out of the water. I can't speak for others, but my experience in BKK is that unless there is a competent Western bartender behind the bar the quality of the cocktails in upscale hotels and Western bars is mediocre at best.
The club scene is almost as interesting. Have you been to Calle Sexta recently? If you were around in the really bad days of 2008, the reinvention of the Tijuana nightlife and club scene is nothing short of amazing. Our prototypical top-dollar punter can get a decent place to stay, can avail himself of some pretty company for the night, can go dancing and clubbing in venues ranging from Ranchero and Banda, to Techno, to Salsa / Cumbia, to Frank Sinatra, eat in some excellent restaurants and get drunk on excellent beer and properly prepared cocktails.
Tijuana is no longer a dirty, sleepy border town. It's a city on the move and business seems to be booming. The economy is growing there and locals have far more money than ever before. (Again, much like Thailand). It's not BKK and never will be. BKK is an amazing place and I, for one, love it. It truly is "A show with everything but Yul Brynner." But, unlike 6 or 8 years ago, it's no longer the default destination for good food, cheap pussy and cheap booze. I come to Thailand for other reasons (and there are plenty), but one can do one's hard-core monkey business a lot closer to home now, and save the 20+ hour flight. :)
Doing research on the internet I found my friend was given the wrong info. It is just guys that keep hopping over the border consistently without getting a proper visa. I found nothing online about showing airplanes tickets. Sorry for any misinformation I should have googled before posting. So that accurate info is they can now deny your entry if you do this too much. My buddy is going toy try to get a student visa to help him live there.Ban on visa runs by air start on 12 Aug. Apparently the ban at the borders came into effect without notice and heaps of people got turned back at the border at Mae Sai. I assume they didn't have Myanmar visas and thus it was obvious they were on visa runs.
Article with more below.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runs
Mr Enternational
05-19-14, 06:02
Ban on visa runs by air start on 12 Aug. Apparently the ban at the borders came into effect without notice and heaps of people got turned back at the border at Mae Sai. I assume they didn't have Myanmar visas and thus it was obvious they were on visa runs.
Article with more below.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/409403/thai-immigration-clamps-down-on-visa-runsYou actually have to purchase a Myanmar visa for like $20 before you can cross over from Mae Sae. I have never done it but I have been on the Golden Triangle tour a couple of times and was never desperate enough to pay the money to crossover just to say I have been to Myanmar.
You actually have to purchase a Myanmar visa for like $20 before you can cross over from Mae Sae. I have never done it but I have been on the Golden Triangle tour a couple of times and was never desperate enough to pay the money to crossover just to say I have been to Myanmar.
I think the problem was that people on visa runs were not actually going into Myanmar, they just went through Thai immigration and turned around and came back. You can get a short, limited stay visa for a day for 500 baht or US$10 and turn back around or shop. There have been a few people writing on some websites about not being able to go through Thai immigration, I'd say this is because they don't have Myanmar tourist visas. The problem wasn't when they returned, it was getting out.
Not a problem for me, I actually need to do my visa runs to Thailand as my multiple enter Myanmar visa only allows for 70 day stays. Poor me, having to slum it in BKK for a weekend every 2 months.
This lifted, verbatim, from an e-mail I received from Sunbelt Asia:
Royal Thai Immigration will begin requiring tourists who wish to re-enter the country immediately after crossing the border and use the 15 - 30 day visa exempt entry to show proof of hotel, tour and/or flight bookings before being allowed back in. Legitimate tourists who can show they just wish to spend an extended holiday in the country will be granted re-entry, the Immigration Office in Bangkok announced recently. However those who are doing back to back entries with no visa and appear to be working in Thailand will see restrictions. The Royal Thai Immigration wants to crack down on foreigners who are living in Thailand but not obtaining valid visas.
OK, I've never been to Tijuana, so maybe I should keep my mouth shut. However based on extensive mongering and traveling in other cities, Mexico is not in the same league. If you don't consider the flight over, then based on cost, beauty of the women, convenience, and variety and quantity of venues, Bangkok wins hands down. The exception, there are some gorgeous hookers at the top end, on www.zonadivas.com and in high-dollar table dance clubs, that are more attractive than almost anything in Thailand. However they run $200 to $300 an hour. I still like Mexico because I can better relate to the culture and can speak the language.
On a budget of $1,000 a day, I could have a great time in Mexico City, Guadalajara or Cancun with exceptionally hot women and great food in 4 or 5 star hotels. I could do the same thing in Bangkok for a lot less money, with women that aren't quite as attractive. And I don't have to be as discrete getting my dates into my hotel in Bangkok.
This lifted, verbatim, from an e-mail I received from Sunbelt Asia:
Royal Thai Immigration will begin requiring tourists who wish to re-enter the country immediately after crossing the border and use the 15 - 30 day visa exempt entry to show proof of hotel, tour and/or flight bookings before being allowed back in. Legitimate tourists who can show they just wish to spend an extended holiday in the country will be granted re-entry, the Immigration Office in Bangkok announced recently. However those who are doing back to back entries with no visa and appear to be working in Thailand will see restrictions. The Royal Thai Immigration wants to crack down on foreigners who are living in Thailand but not obtaining valid visas.According to the following alleged quotes it's even worse than that:
"The crackdown is all about preventing foreigners from using visa-exemptions and tourist visas to stay in Thailand and work," Gen Pharnu said.
"We should have done this a long time ago. We have let foreigners work illegally in Thailand on tourist visas for too long. It's time to stop them.".
The immigration chief was clear that from August 13 any foreigners who fail to prove that they are tourists will not be allowed to re-enter the country on visa exemption status (story here), as explained in a formal notice posted on Bangkok Immigration's website on May 8.
"From August 13, if we suspect any foreigner of working illegally in Thailand on a tourist visa, that person will be detained and deported, even if the foreigner has not previously completed even a single visa run," he said.
"People who are deported will be banned from re-entering Thailand for five years.
http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket-news/Tourist-visa-runs-not-dead-Immigration-boss/29460#ad-image-0.
It was posted earlier here that Immigration offiers at the border will be able to use their own judgement to allow someone to enter the country. That will lead to widespread bribery at the borders.
Wolvenvacht
05-21-14, 06:36
It was posted earlier here that Immigration offiers at the border will be able to use their own judgement to allow someone to enter the country. That has always been the case everywhere in the world.
Nothing much more to say.
Bangkok, May 22,2014 (AFP) - Thailand's military on Thursday declared a night-time curfew across the troubled country after seizing power in a coup.
"Under martial law, the National Peace Keeping Committee prohibits anyone across the kingdom from leaving their home from 10 pm to 5 am," an army spokesman said in a televised announcement.
Nothing much more to say.
Bangkok, May 22,2014 (AFP) - Thailand's military on Thursday declared a night-time curfew across the troubled country after seizing power in a coup.
"Under martial law, the National Peace Keeping Committee prohibits anyone across the kingdom from leaving their home from 10 pm to 5 am," an army spokesman said in a televised announcement.Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...
LittleBigMan
05-22-14, 13:29
Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...This curfew does cause a pain in the ass situation for many?
Does that include leaving hotels? Not really my home.
Tried to get a Cowboy girl to come over before curfew and leave after... Starts jacking up prices...
I am hearing many things. Such as late arriving flights being stuck at the airport, etc.
I am in country so my ears are open for the ongoing joy.
All TV channels are playing music and only military channels are doing news or such.
My first trip too Thailand. Now I will go over there for 3 weeks time. With a budget too spend of 4000 euro for hotels, drinks, food and sure our hobby. I am not a monger that thinks in terms of quantity, rather quality and I am into GFE. So too start with I thought to chose caerfully and take with me girls LT now and then when I feel for it and when I find the right ones.
But here is a problem, I don't know what too do with. It happens that I accsidentley met this girl online from BKK. The thing is she is 10, period! And after some days chatting is crazy after me. Telling me she will take holidays and stay with me when I am in Thailand.
Its not that I don't want to be with her, but telling yes would destroy all posibiliteys too bang other girls. I don't really know what is the best play here.
Paul Kausch
05-22-14, 18:00
Its not that I don't want to be with her, but telling yes would destroy all posibiliteys too bang other girls. I don't really know what is the best play here.Follow the golden rule. It's your gold, so you rule. Tell her when you will see her and stick to your guns. When it's time for her to leave tell her to go. It's your time; it's your money; it's you vacation. You set the rules. But be nice about it. No need to offend her and get her pissed off.
Lord Necros
05-22-14, 18:10
The thing is she is 10, period! Don't think that's legal. Even in BKK.
Follow the golden rule. It's your gold, so you rule. Tell her when you will see her and stick to your guns. When it's time for her to leave tell her to go. It's your time; it's your money; it's you vacation. You set the rules. But be nice about it. No need to offend her and get her pissed off.Makes sence. In the end of the day. I will treat her nice, pay for her and I am pretty sure she will enjoy time spendt with me.
So she takes advantage of me as much as I of her.
don't think that's legal. even in bkk.ok this might have came out wrong. i am not into ****d girls. for me she is a 10 in looks.
Paul Kausch
05-22-14, 22:38
don't think that's legal. even in bkk.
ok this might have came out wrong. i am not into ****d girls. for me she is a 10 in looks.****philia is an evil predilection with serious consequences in the los. i understood the 10 to mean looks not age, which is why i offered advice.
But here is a problem, I don't know what too do with. It happens that I accsidentley met this girl online from BKK. The thing is she is 10, period! And after some days chatting is crazy after me. Telling me she will take holidays and stay with me when I am in Thailand.Mate, she is crazy for your money. I assume she knows this is your first time. She thinks you are a sucker so she is alllll into you. Unless some other sucker shows up a day 3 and suddenly her grandmother died and she needs to go see her...
Mate, she is crazy for your money. I assume she knows this is your first time. She thinks you are a sucker so she is alllll into you. Unless some other sucker shows up a day 3 and suddenly her grandmother died and she needs to go see her...Yes your right, just an expert in manipulation she might be. Pretending too be a pure girl, looking for true love. From her facebook page it dose seem she is a gold digger. Fancy whaces, phones, clubs...you name it... Not having rich parents and cassual job I guess she could not live such style of life from her inncome.
I am used to deal with FSU dievuskas, and trust me dude I dought there is bigger gold diggers in the world then these Ukrainian or Russian chiks.
Lord Necros
05-23-14, 21:15
****philia is an evil predilection with serious consequences in the los. i understood the 10 to mean looks not age, which is why i offered advice.I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. and maybe pay her by the day / night. no advance either.
Paul Kausch
05-23-14, 23:25
I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And Tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. ANd maybe pay her by the day / night. No advance either.Obviously I took you to be serious. Now that I get the practical joke, I find it funny.
Paul Kausch
05-24-14, 00:27
Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?
Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?Yes, I have heard the same thing. 28 May it will be lifted according to a "good girl" Thai (yea right).
Traveler1234
05-24-14, 02:00
Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday. Has anyone else heard anything about this?My sources at both the Pentagon and the CIA concur/say not Wed but either Thursday or Friday. ;)
LittleBigMan
05-24-14, 02:49
Like everything here no one seem to take it very serious after a day! Heard a few Go Go's at Walking St... Was going to open early like 4 pm. Too early for me and couldn't get a confirmation at Bacarra as to the actual time it was going to open and close but knew the girls were ordered to go in by 7 pm, so after dinner took a ride down at 7 pm. Going thru Soi Diamond many places were closed or not open yet and one place told me 10 pm, At one of the Happy group they had no idea? But although early W.S. Was pretty alive as if nothing was going on.
Walked into Bacarra, the place was packed wall to wall people as if there was no other place open in the area. People were going wild gave me the feeling in a State of Emergency everyone had to go to the super market and load up? Although packed not a lot of customers were barfining, their line-up board was still full at 9 pm. Many girls were saying due to the curfew majority of the customers wanted LT, and if they had to go this early and stay in the asking rate was 5,000 and up. Meantime, a group of guys were throwing giant basket of ping pong 30,000 baht? One guy stripped naked and threw baskets of ping pong at the girls.
It was rumor that Bacarra was going to open at 12 noon today but later a call came out that they will open at 5:30 pm and close at 10 pm. I left around 9:15 pm and riding home everything seem normal and it was hard to believe in half hour everyone had to be inside. Certainly all the food stalls I saw show no movement of concern about the curfew? At 10:15, I got a call that Bacarra was still open and the girls were dancing but no customers minutes later I got a call again that they were closed. I think whenever they call the curfew off as days go by the bars will adjust and open later and later until it is back to normal.
Within the last few minutes I received two emails that had nothing to do with each other from Thai friend in Bangkok who are reliable sources of information. Both people said the same thing; they understand the curfew will be lifted on Wednesday.
Has anyone else heard anything about this?Sounds like your friends both have Facebook.
Paul Kausch
05-24-14, 03:11
Sounds like your friends both have Facebook.Maybe their young adult children got it from there. Seriously, they just mentioned it in passing and didn't say where they got the information. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere on the internet. Don't want to start a rumor, which it sounds like is all this is.
Paul Kausch
05-24-14, 03:13
My sources at both the Pentagon and the CIA concur/say not Wed but either Thursday or Friday.Well, that sounds very credible. I'll pass it along and be sure to attribute it to you. ;)
I know. I was just pulling his legs.
And Tomus, I'll suggest that you discuss the cost beforehand. ANd maybe pay her by the day / night. No advance either.The thing is she is into that "I want too be your gf talk". But that ofen end up costing even more, then paying one for day / night. Will feel her out when in person and will see wha happens.
Just completed my first trip to Thailand and found the talent level's in both Bangkok and Pattaya to be very high, especially in the gogo's. It was off season on my visit and I was wondering what tourist season does to the lineup's, hotel prices etc? Is there a noticeable increase of mongers along with a significant decrease of talent available at gogo's with more 'shoppers'?
Just completed my first trip to Thailand and found the talent level's in both Bangkok and Pattaya to be very high, especially in the gogo's. It was off season on my visit and I was wondering what tourist season does to the lineup's, hotel prices etc? Is there a noticeable increase of mongers along with a significant decrease of talent available at gogo's with more 'shoppers'?The high season is from December to March when tourist numbers are up along with the number of ladies. The weather is cooler and there is little rain. Hotels may increase their prices somewhat, but I doubt it is anything like the ridiculous hikes you see in Singapore & Hong Kong.
The low season IME over the years is better for mongering. There was less competition from other clients and the girls schedules were freer.
Because of the political protests during the past half year there was no true high season this year. Reports on ISG indicated the pickings during this period were excellent, no doubt due to the lack of competition for available & needy hot young ladies.
The street scene around NEP has seen the same thing occur. Moreover since the curfew began things appear to have taken a turn for being even better. Further, intel indicates that recently LE has not been hounding the area as it had been doing regularly for years.
"More than 40 countries have issued travel alerts, including the USA And Hong Kong, which have advised citizens to avoid non-essential travel to Thailand.
"In Hong Kong, a major source of visitors to Thailand, the Travel Industry Council reported that travel agents cancelled at least 70 tour groups this week involving 1,300 people.
"Hotels in Bangkok say the coup has kept them busy with nonstop cancellations.
"We have received more than 650 cancellations in the past five days," said Deepak Ohri, chief executive of the 358-room Lebua hotel, whose dizzyingly high rooftop Sky Bar was featured in "The Hangover Part II.".
http://news.ca.msn.com/world/thailand-coup-petition-to-lift-beach-resort-curfew-as-tourism-takes-hit
The hobbying in LOS should be mint in the upcoming weeks & months. By all means do come.
The hobbying in LOS should be mint in the upcoming weeks & months. By all means do come.I've just sent my secretary down to the travel agent to book my ticket for the end of June. Long weekend visa run in LOS.
can't say that hotel prices look especially cheaper right now. might be showing up later though who knows?
i don't know if go go interest is from me getting fitter this year or low amount of customers. most places seemed to have a decent amount of people drinking and sitting with ladies today at least. beergarden have full tables when you peek inside.
i did notice that there is a lot more fl action going lateish though, compared to late march. many many druggies and lb hanging out on the walk from sc to soi 7. quite a few africans of varied looks in the low sukh numbers, many fat thai ladies and many "i'd card less" ladies looking self conscious. i don't remember them being so many, perhaps might be because i don't search them out. if fls is your thing it looks like a good market. might have been a curfew extension blow out sale though lol.
my 2 satangs.
Can't say that hotel prices look especially cheaper right now. Might be showing up later though who knows?High end hotels seem to be offering good deals at the moment. The Hyatt is available for US $ 133++ and I've been getting lots of emails from the Westin with rooms starting at 3,200++. Probably more than most want to pay, but if you're passing through for a couple of days only then it's a good opportunity to splash out. I've noticed on hotelclub that there are some pretty good deals going around, book now and save xx%, sort of thing. There seem to be more deals going around now than we I booked a few months ago.
Paul Kausch
05-29-14, 05:06
High end hotels seem to be offering good deals at the moment. The Hyatt is available for US $ 133++ and I've been getting lots of emails from the Westin with rooms starting at 3,200++. Probably more than most want to pay, but if you're passing through for a couple of days only then it's a good opportunity to splash out. I've noticed on hotelclub that there are some pretty good deals going around, book now and save xx%, sort of thing. There seem to be more deals going around now than we I booked a few months ago.These are also good circumstances to request a free upgrade at check in. Ask for a club floor room. If they say no ask for the room with no club floor privileges. You get a nicer room at the same price and it doesn't cost them more. Well they do have some added depreciation on a more expensive room but that is a negligible expense. It's the privileges that are an added cost to them.
These are also good circumstances to request a free upgrade at check in. Ask for a club floor room. If they say no ask for the room with no club floor privileges. You get a nicer room at the same price and it doesn't cost them more. Well they do have some added depreciation on a more expensive room but that is a negligible expense. It's the privileges that are an added cost to them.Yep, I was upgraded at the Hyatt last stay, but didn't get lounge access. I didn't even ask, but I am a platinum member. Best thing was getting checked in at 8:30 am rather than having to wait in the lobby until the afternoon.
Mac tried to play the upgrade game on me. I prebooked for a "deluxe suite" or what ever they call it and when they gave me the keycard they advised me of "a free of charge upgrade to deluxe room standard". Uhu. I decided not to call them on their bull shit.
Have noticed that there is a good number of good deals but on "non refundable" basis, or not including breakafst.
I revised my September 3-days booking and it was indeed cheaper than what I did, but the terms were not so appealing to cancel the previous one and rebook.
I prefer to book a room I can cancel up to a day or two before, even if my air ticket has been done already (as part of company travel) so I am more flexible on my destination, regardless of curfew or coup which, unless representing a real threaten do not bother me much.
Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. After 16 days, this is what I found:
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Atmosphere: Pattaya gets the nod, having the beach right at your feet really gives the scene a laid back feel.
Shopping: nod goes to Bangkok.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
Massage parlours: nod goes to Bangkok for their full service massage parlours, Pattaya has several but I found the quality to be hit and miss.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.
Food: Bangkok hands down, found the Pattaya street food to be of lower quality.
Of both places, I found Pattaya to be my favorite of the trip over Bangkok. There seemed to be more choices in Pattaya, had some great success finding some good cheap talent and having them come to my hotel during the day to provide a cheap daytime romp vs heading to one of Bangkok's massage parlours. I will still do both places though on future trips, the talent in Bangkok was extremely high at all of the gogo's I checked out.
ActionOriented
05-30-14, 06:04
Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. After 16 days, this is what I found:
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Atmosphere: Pattaya gets the nod, having the beach right at your feet really gives the scene a laid back feel.
Shopping: nod goes to Bangkok.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
Massage parlours: nod goes to Bangkok for their full service massage parlours, Pattaya has several but I found the quality to be hit and miss.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.
Food: Bangkok hands down, found the Pattaya street food to be of lower quality.
Of both places, I found Pattaya to be my favorite of the trip over Bangkok. There seemed to be more choices in Pattaya, had some great success finding some good cheap talent and having them come to my hotel during the day to provide a cheap daytime romp vs heading to one of Bangkok's massage parlours. I will still do both places though on future trips, the talent in Bangkok was extremely high at all of the gogo's I checked out.Thanks for the comparison mate, it does help me put my next trip in perspective. I have until the last trip avoided venturing out of Bangkok, but I have decided to give Pattaya a shot next time (given the options generally available) and with your comparison, it makes the decision easier.
I know you said that massage parlours are a hit or miss in Pattaya, but would there be any MPs that you would recommend? What can one get up to in the day, pick off the street or MPs in Pats?
Thanks.
Have noticed that there is a good number of good deals but on "non refundable" basis, or not including breakfast. Yep, for some of these deals you need to book 7 days in advance and they are non-refundable. The Hyatt has a members only deal which is the same as the best rate they offer but can be cancelled on the day of arrival. Not sure if other hotel chains offer the same, but they probably do. I don't usually eat breakfast, so not having breakfast included is OK with me. I used to travel a lot with work, hence I managed to get platinum status. Free wifi is included, which is a bonus for when I travel to places that charge an arm and a leg for internet.
Member #4698
05-30-14, 11:39
Gogo: Bangkok has the better lineup in the gogo's although there was plenty of talent to be found in the Pattaya gogo's to keep one occupied.
Soapy massages: I found both cities to lack any talent worth bothering checking out more than once.
Go Go's are Pattaya's strong suit. Did you check out Sensations? The talent there is as good or better than any BKK Go Go. IMHO.
Soapy Massage Parlors are one of BKK's strong suits. Did you check out La Belle or Copa Cabana? Great talent there. I agree that Pattaya Soapies lack talent.
Street and bar girls: combining this group, Pattaya's street and beer bar scene way outdoes the Bangkok scene. Don't believe me, check out my post in the photo section, most of those girls were picked off beach road and the beer bars nearby.
Price: Pattaya gets the nod, 800 baht for a walking street girl or 1000 for a soi 6 girl is pretty hard to beat.Nice pics, though all of the girls were stated to be from elsewhere than Beach Road.
From film I've seen of Pattaya's Beach Road street walker FLs, I doubt they could come up to the same class as these in BKK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA
The NCP girls above have gone for 1000 baht ST since 2007 to today.
Beach Road Pattaya girls have often been quoted at as low as 500 baht.
I know you said that massage parlours are a hit or miss in Pattaya, but would there be any MPs that you would recommend? What can one get up to in the day, pick off the street or MPs in Pats?
Thanks.I did one soapy massage on my first day after walking into all of them down by the far end of 2nd road (honey, sabai dee) and the talent was mediocre at best. Picked the best looker but she was hiding stretch marks. Went back later in the evening a few days later hoping to see a better lineup but it was a quick walk in and walk out of all of them. There were a few cute girls down by LK metro (sir lancelot mentioned them) at the massage joints but the draw (at least for me) is to get a halfway decent massage and then a fuck. All she knew how to do was fuck and at 2000 baht it wasn't worth trying another girl. I was getting regular massage's at the corner massage joints but without extra's, you might be able to talk one of them into coming back to your hotel or having one delivered to your hotel.
Go Go's are Pattaya's strong suit. Did you check out Sensations? The talent there is as good or better than any BKK Go Go. IMHO.
Soapy Massage Parlors are one of BKK's strong suits. Did you check out La Belle or Copa Cabana? Great talent there. I agree that Pattaya Soapies lack talent.Let's just say its a close call on the gogo's. You can always find something. Didn't check out LaBelle or Copa, will try them next trip.
Nice pics, though all of the girls were stated to be from elsewhere than Beach Road.
From film I've seen of Pattaya's Beach Road street walker FLs, I doubt they could come up to the same class as these in BKK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA
The NCP girls above have gone for 1000 baht ST since 2007 to today.
Beach Road Pattaya girls have often been quoted at as low as 500 baht.I'm comparing what I saw in both places with my own eyes, not what I've seen on youtube.
I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
Http: mozo. Com. Au / travel-money / articles / travelling-to-Thailand-your-travel-insurance-may-be-voided /1803260625.
People should seriously consider the Philippines or other Asian countries at the moment for a holiday and avoid Thailand.
Deciding on visiting Thailand was only the first decision I had to make, visiting either Bangkok or Pattaya (or both) was another decision entirely. There's no clear cut talk about either location, people also seem split on which place is better for the hobby. I think you hit many nails on the head with your comparisons. I like to spend time in both Bangkok and Pattaya during my visits. Big city vibe vs. The laid back beach vibe. From hotels to food and drink and the ladies Pattaya is certainly less expensive if you choose it to be. More diversity of things to do in Bangkok. I do think the SW scene is of higher quality in Bangkok looks wise (or at least there is more better looking woman to choose from) but at half the price it is possible to find acceptable options on Beach Road.
I like to spend the first stretch of days upon arrival in Bangkok, then head to Patts for a while, then end the trip with some more time back in Bangkok. If I had to choose just one city to visit I don't know which it would be. Pattaya is certainly worth a visit for anyone who has not been there. FWIW I use Bell Travel Service to transfer between cities and they have never disappointed.
SL.
I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
. This statement ("you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc. ") is probably not true, but I agree that some "hassle factor" could be added to any claim. Sickness events are likely unaffected. See longer response in Politics thread. TTG.
I have osted this in General and Politics threads as it very important.
Thailand is still under a nationwide Martial Law status. Martial Law means that nearly all insurance companies will void your travel insurance if you travel to Thailand, so you are not covered in the event of any sickness, loss of money, loss of baggage, accident etc.
Martial law in effect across the country means they can invoke the small print and will not be liable for ANY claim you may attempt to make.
Http: mozo. Com. Au / travel-money / articles / travelling-to-Thailand-your-travel-insurance-may-be-voided /1803260625.
People should seriously consider the Philippines or other Asian countries at the moment for a holiday and avoid Thailand. None of this insurance advice is correct.
Just confirmed with my travel insurance company for my trip in two weeks time. They are more than happy to insure me and take my money.
Be careful of some of the silly advice from "experts" on this forum.
Western787
06-02-14, 13:17
one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html.
Paul Kausch
06-02-14, 13:41
one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html. there has been a lot of coverage of the somaly mam foundation scandal in the se asian press. see the following editorial in the bangkok post. a few days ago there was a news article in the post about this.
http: www. bangkokpost. com / opinion / opinion /413080/ a-sad-and-sorry-tale.
None of this insurance advice is correct.
Just confirmed with my travel insurance company for my trip in two weeks time. They are more than happy to insure me and take my money.
Be careful of some of the silly advice from "experts" on this forum. My company, with the advise of their travel insurance covering a few thousands staff all over the world resumed traveling as normal in Thailand, after banning it soon after the coup. Only caution is required in insurgent areas near borders with Cambodia and Myanmar.
Caution that could be also advised in central London, if there is a sudden riot. So "business as usual".
No special exemption such as "travel but we do not cover hospital if you are hit by a grenade in BKK".
Paul Kausch
06-03-14, 11:53
This article in the Bangkok Post describes the ending of the curfew in Pattaya, Koh Samui and the entire island province of Phuket.
Http: www. Bangkokpost. Com / most-recent /413373/ curfew-ends-in-Pattaya-samui-phuket.
Fast Eddie 48
06-03-14, 20:40
This article in the Bangkok Post describes the ending of the curfew in Pattaya, Koh Samui and the entire island province of Phuket.
Http: www. Bangkokpost. Com / most-recent /413373/ curfew-ends-in-Pattaya-samui-phuket. To Paul.
Thailand Government only lift the curfew for some tourist area not the whole country my understanding is Bangkok are still under the curfew correct.
Fast eddie 48.
Paul Kausch
06-03-14, 22:42
To Paul.
Thailand Government only lift the curfew for some tourist area not the whole country my understanding is Bangkok are still under the curfew correct.
Fast eddie 48. Correct. The areas where the curfew was lifted is in my post.
Somewhere15
06-04-14, 00:12
Correct. The areas where the curfew was lifted is in my post. My friend in Bangkok told me two days ago she was in Bangkok Beat (Sukhumvite Soi 7/1) around 1:30 AM.
On my question how she was going home she mentioned by taxi and the disco would close earlier (3 AM).
She said with a taxi (she live between Lad Pao and Bangkapi), because Army wasnt controlling no longer.
It gaves me the impressions the curfew was already very very limited in Bangkok tourist area.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1575060#post1575060
one of many scams being run to generate massive hysteria and keep the dollars rolling in. but don't hold your breath expecting the mainstream western media to ever follow up about all the phony ginned up stats that have been used in the last few decades. it just doesn't fit their agenda. just like "climate change" and all the phony claims in regard to supposed mass amounts of college [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) going on, claims first made 25 years back by ms magazine (using the koss study to create new fabricated claims). time magazine last week even was pushing some new phony claims. purportedly 10's of thousands or perhaps 100's of 1000's of males are plundering and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) women on college campuses each year.
http: www. cnn. com /2014/05/30/ world / asia / cambodia-sex-slavery-foundation-hero-resign / index. html.thanks for the link. yes, you'll hear nothing in the msm about this. why? this kind of shit perfectly fits the feminist "world template. " all men are pigs, women all over the world are forced into sex slavery, yada, yada, yada. the pc police violently suppress any doubt and major companies, like estee lauder are shaken down. nutty lib celebs line up to be associated with these farces because it's the "cool" way to show "awareness" and that you care.
yes, the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) thing has gotten out of hand, too. suddenly every military base and military school is chock-full of [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), far out of line with society as a whole. but look deeper and you'll find that there is zero consequences for the neurotic broad who files false charges. in the military the woman is exempt from questioning by the accused (or his counsel), she can demand (and get) a transfer of the alleged miscreant, evidence is not required.
not too long ago a feminazi relative dredged up the old debunked canard about more wife beatings occurring on super bowl sunday, than on any other day. god, when will men collectively grow a pair and put these harpies in their place?
My company, with the advise of their travel insurance covering a few thousands staff all over the world resumed traveling as normal in Thailand, after banning it soon after the coup. Only caution is required in insurgent areas near borders with Cambodia and Myanmar.
Caution that could be also advised in central London, if there is a sudden riot. So "business as usual".
No special exemption such as "travel but we do not cover hospital if you are hit by a grenade in BKK".Nearly all travel insurance covers you for most incidents, even when there is a civil war, coup, etc. Unless your injury is a result of that action. That's what mine says. For instance, if you feel off a bar stool drunk in Phuket and someone stole your wallet, you would be covered. If you went to a demonstration in Bangkok and got beating by a soldier, and then someone stole your wallet, you would not be covered.
HotShaneHot
06-04-14, 08:58
On the news today in Thailand.
There is now no curfew in Pattaya. Phuket. And Ko Samui.
By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?
By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.
Mr Enternational
06-06-14, 19:49
By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?
By meeting a girl from forums (for exmaple DIA) do you give her money (if yes, how much do they expect in average? When she is leaving (as you would do with a pro girl) or before she goes with you do you buy her something, invite her for a dinner, etc.?
I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.
Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?Man, got to side with Mr. E on this one. I, too, wonder the exact same thing.
To add my song sateng, if she's a hooker looking for customers, say on DIA, then she will mention money. Or, perhaps nice gifts or similar. But there will be discussion of some sort of compensation. If she's not a hooker she won't. Of course, the non-hookers won't jump into bed with you after a couple of chats on DIA and a bowl of som tam.
I've met several civvies on DIA over the years. Some I got to sleep with, some not. NONE of them mentioned money and, had I offered, there would have been a scene. I've also met plenty of hookers (defined as any woman who will exchange sex for money or other compensation) on DIA and, brother, if you can't tell the difference after a 30 minute chat, you have some serious interpersonal issues.
I will say, however, that in a traditional dating scenario you will probably be expected to pay for the bulk of the evening. Normal girls will usually offer to chip in for things, or drive, or things like that. But you make far more money than she does, even if she has a good job, so it's only fair. I've read about some dickweeds that insist the girl split the cost of everything.
Man, got to side with Mr. E on this one. I, too, wonder the exact same thing..Yes, but let's face it, 95% of the guys being here and using dating sites are doing so just as web pick up bar, hunting for a night stand.
This is also confirmed by many guys inviting the girl straight to their room at 4 pm (certainly not for a romantic candle light dinner) and the girls ready to do so, even if not mentioning money before hand. But surely expecting some sort of taxi money. Especially if one is a non resident foreigner.
So I would not neither blame the guy for the question, nor I think he might not be in a position or never has been dating normal women.
BTW, this is a forum on P4P sex, so the majority of the talks do take this into account.
Mr Enternational
06-06-14, 23:04
I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.
Paul Kausch
06-06-14, 23:56
I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.I'm too lazy to use dating sites, but I know men who do. They tell me the same thing. They have sex with almost all of the women they meet on the first date. Remember these are Thai women who agree to a date with a farang. These women may believe there is an expectation they will have sex with the man on the first date and accept this when they agree to go out. When I was a young man in the 1970's, there were popular pickup bars where everyone in the bar assumed everyone was their looking for someone of the opposite sex to fuck. If a lady spent more than a few minutes with you, you knew how the evening was going to end. Over time that scene has changed. I suspect over time the expectations of Thai women who use dating sites may also change.
I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.I agree on this, but as for everyone YMMV. As I said, if you are a visitor tehre is only reason to sue a dating site and it is to find someone to take to bed.
It does not mean it is the best strategy and the most successfull. That is another story.
Payong vs, not paying. We are not, I say again, to investigate about romances so inquiries on this forum refer to P4 P, it is not a drama.
I too not look for women t otake to bed through dating sites.
They are good to dream at the opportunities available but it is a waste of time: if you are abroad, the girls wishes to see you "soon", if you are there it takes too long to be sure soemthing will happen.
I have met tons of women in Thailand through dating sites and have had sex with 80% of them the first time we laid eyes on each other when I was just visiting Thailand and while I have been living in Thailand. 90% of them I am still in contact with. I have given 0% of them money. It all depends on your game and chemistry. If you are not doing it home then don't expect to do it elsewhere. If I want a hooker then I prefer to choose them live and on the spot rather than wasting time doing it through a website.It doesn't take much to pick up civvies in Asia, while in North America it would be like watching paint dry.
Even an old fart like me with zero game has Thai ladies half my age hitting on me when I've shown no interest in them whatsoever.
HotShaneHot
06-07-14, 11:07
Not if she is not a hooker. Have you guys EVER been on normal dates with women?Yer I am with Mr Enternational on this one.
I have meet lots of non hookers and had a good time some all night for free some I give some food money.
You will know the ones looking for money all pro on the date site.
Come on go get some NORMAL dates.
Yer I am with Mr Enternational on this one.
I have meet lots of non hookers and had a good time some all night for free some I give some food money.
You will know the ones looking for money all pro on the date site.
Come on go get some NORMAL dates.Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks.
I prefer abnormal dates. Way fewer headaches that way.
Crocodilexp
06-08-14, 14:02
I'm too lazy to use dating sites, but I know men who do. They tell me the same thing. They have sex with almost all of the women they meet on the first date. Remember these are Thai women who agree to a date with a farang. These women may believe there is an expectation they will have sex with the man on the first date and accept this when they agree to go out. I think this is a misconception. Men love to brag of their exploits, and 50% is close enough to "almost all". If you narrow the search for single moms from Issan working as a waitress or maid with those bargirl looks, yeah, they'll likely sleep with you on the first date. If they don't speak English, you don't speak Thai, and you don't immediately turn them off, what else is there to do?
However, if you pick a slightly higher demographic from the dating sites (university degree, normal jobs), the hit rate on the first date is lower, realistically somewhere between 20%-50% (for a guy in his 30's). Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).
Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).Then the strategy should be to end the current date and reschedule it into a new date set for an hour later.
However, if you pick a slightly higher demographic from the dating sites (university degree, normal jobs), the hit rate on the first date is lower, realistically somewhere between 20%-50% (for a guy in his 30's). Oddly, in this group, if a girl really likes you, it's likely she might put off the sex for the second date (just so she doesn't feel slutty).My experience is much closer to this. If I want an Isaan lass with a 6th grade education I don't need a web site to do it. I always used the sites to find a demographic closer to what you've described.
I think the ladies are looking to be compensated in some form for their time; be it experiences (dinner / night life) gifts or cash. How much cash you give her depends on how much you have spent on her already, how long she stays with you, and how satisfactory the experience was.
Discretely slip her some cash as she is leaving and call it "taxi money. " I donno on the amount maybe 1500 to 2000 baht sounds about right.
SunLover.Thanks Sun Lover.
I believe that the Thai ladies would not date a farang if they didn't have to do it (they need money). Frankly do you think that we are attractive for them, especially if the age difference is big? I'm going to give them some money if the sex will be good.
Western787
06-14-14, 11:04
it doesn't take much to pick up civvies in asia, while in north america it would be like watching paint dry.
even an old fart like me with zero game has thai ladies half my age hitting on me when i've shown no interest in them whatsoever.exactly and that (despite what "rick rock" was claiming last year) is precisely what makes bangkok way more interesting than for example new york city. and when you're a bit out of the city, lets say in a shopping mall, sometimes you got so many eyeballs on you, its like they haven't seen a farang in years. then lets say you're on the subway and you look like you need directions or whatever,. all sort of girls trying to help you w / o even you asking. nothing to do with hitting you per se, but instead just just trying to help you out, however many seem like they want to practice their english skills. but regardless its a quite a change from big cities in the usa. in nyc unless you're something like (madmen's) don draper, a guy over 40 is practically invisible to cute girls in their 20's let alone 18 or 19 years old.
Curfew finished. Bars opened Early Friday but unexpectedly got to close late. Saturday no Curfew. It's done. Interferes with watching WC. LOL.
Hey all,
Planning a trip for the first time to Thailand exclusively for mongering. Plan on being there for a week, and operating on a slightly tight budget. What cities\towns would you recommend a first timer go to where there's a decent chance of getting laid? Is Thailand even worth it now with the political crisis in the country?
Curfew finished. Bars opened Early Friday but unexpectedly got to close late. Saturday no Curfew. It's done. Interferes with watching WC. LOL.Great. Now I can get a BBBJ & watch the WC at the same time.
SirWilliam4
06-15-14, 15:27
Hey all,
Planning a trip for the first time to Thailand exclusively for mongering. Plan on being there for a week, and operating on a slightly tight budget. What cities\towns would you recommend a first timer go to where there's a decent chance of getting laid? Is Thailand even worth it now with the political crisis in the country?Really? Have you read anything in this forum at all? Two pages of reading and all of your questions will be answered.
Short answers: BKK & Pattaya. Yes.
Read a bit. Show up. Enjoy LOS.
SW.
I'm doing research and planning for an upcoming 3-4 months backpacking trip in Thailand and Cambodia (first time in SE Asia) and while I've obviously read all the typical more or less common sense advice on keeping your valuables safe while traveling, is there anything I should be particularly observant about when dropping my pants and assorted other items in places like particularly massage parlours, where it's got to be difficult to keep an eye on your things if you're lying naked on your back or stomach?
Do you make an effort to always keep your things right next to you?
What about carrying around valuables like phone and passport in addition to just the cash you plan on spending that day? Stupid thing to do (well, obviously a lot of us are semi-handicapped without our smartphones these days)?
On a trip of this length I don't expect to be shelling out for anything close to luxury accommodation (maybe a mid-range hotel now and then, in Bangkok and Pattaya for instance), so I'm not sure if I should expect cheaper guest houses to have a room safe? Making it tempting to carry valuables around with me.
Mr Enternational
06-15-14, 23:08
You can always roll your pants up and use them like a pillow during your massage.
SirWilliam4
06-16-14, 03:38
Hello All,
Believe me, I've read this forum and many others all to find no answers to my question. So -- here it is. What is your experience purchasing Viagra and Cialis from those many street vendors along Sukhumvit Road in BKK? I know all the cautions. Really I do. Nevertheless, I tried some Cialis from one one of them right around Soi 13. Same packaging as from the pharmacies. No difference at all. Not out of date. Less than 200 THB for a packet of four pills. I tried it and it worked just fine. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.
Hello All,. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.Maybe you are missing the fact that medicine should be kept within a certain range of temperature (and humidity) and the street vendors surely cannot guarantee this.
I do not think this recommendation is sponsored by the aircon and refrigerator industry but it is a fact that certain ingredients might change their performances when temperature is not the right one.
This already makes me think about buying from the street.
We know the cold chain is a relative concept in places like BKK where food is in open air stalls, with ice at the best trying to kill the natural degeneration of it, nevertheless the human body of farangs is set for different standards than the thais. No need to open the usual debate on thai water. .
You can always roll your pants up and use them like a pillow during your massage.Not a bad idea at all.
I know one of the vendors on Sukhumvit really well. She has a number of vendor stalls. From a bar at night, to junk souvenirs, to you name it and the Erectile Dysfunction stand. I asked her about what she sells and her stuff is all fake. She buys it bulk from some place in BKK, not kept properly and is useless. Why not buy Sidegra? The Thai version of Viagra which is available in pharmacies at a very low price. It does work.
Hello All,
Believe me, I've read this forum and many others all to find no answers to my question. So -- here it is. What is your experience purchasing Viagra and Cialis from those many street vendors along Sukhumvit Road in BKK? I know all the cautions. Really I do. Nevertheless, I tried some Cialis from one one of them right around Soi 13. Same packaging as from the pharmacies. No difference at all. Not out of date. Less than 200 THB for a packet of four pills. I tried it and it worked just fine. No complaints at all and at a huge discount from the pharmacies. What is your experience? What am I missing?
SW4.
I'm doing research and planning for an upcoming 3-4 months backpacking trip in Thailand and Cambodia (first time in SE Asia) and while I've obviously read all the typical more or less common sense advice on keeping your valuables safe while traveling, is there anything I should be particularly observant about when dropping my pants and assorted other items in places like particularly massage parlours, where it's got to be difficult to keep an eye on your things if you're lying naked on your back or stomach?
Do you make an effort to always keep your things right next to you?
What about carrying around valuables like phone and passport in addition to just the cash you plan on spending that day? Stupid thing to do (well, obviously a lot of us are semi-handicapped without our smartphones these days)?
On a trip of this length I don't expect to be shelling out for anything close to luxury accommodation (maybe a mid-range hotel now and then, in Bangkok and Pattaya for instance), so I'm not sure if I should expect cheaper guest houses to have a room safe? Making it tempting to carry valuables around with me.Doesn't matter where you are, pay a little bit more for a hotel with a safety box. Don't take any valuable with you to MPs.
I know one of the vendors on Sukhumvit really well. She has a number of vendor stalls. From a bar at night, to junk souvenirs, to you name it and the Erectile Dysfunction stand. I asked her about what she sells and her stuff is all fake. She buys it bulk from some place in BKK, not kept properly and is useless. Why not buy Sidegra? The Thai version of Viagra which is available in pharmacies at a very low price. It does work.Sidegra is great and you can get it in 50 and 100 mg tabs. I pick it up at a pharmy over off Silom. 4 x 50 is only 150 baht.
Has anyone seen this available in Thailand. I've never looked for it before as it has only become an issue in the couple of years (for P. E to save you a Goole search).
I usually shop at the large pharmacy near the corner of Soi 4/ Suk but don't recall seeing it.
I'm visiting in Oct and weighing up if I should wait and buy in bulk if available in Thailand (BKK or Pattaya) or go the whole GP / precription / associated cost route now here in Oz.
Cheers.
Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8
Expert beer drinkers may want to try the Danish Bar / Pub Mikkeller at Ekamai Soi 10 Yaek (sub-soi) 2 right at the end (hard to see). They have 30 special beers on tap for beer enthusiast plus very light foods. Heard a review rated it as the best in Asia.
Wasn't busy last night. Mostly Thai customers. Staff was one Thai and one American.
Last night went to "Saeng Jan" (light of the moon) Beer / whiskey Hall / Restaurant with live band on stage, singers, a few dancers, and becomes like a disco when band is not on. I thought it was significantly better than Tawan Daeng, fairly Thai oriented, and mostly Thai customers. Did I see another Farang? Not sure? Band played some Carabao. Various types of Thai music and some western music especially during band not playing. Two dancers were very pretty indeed. Exactly my spec.
Could watch world cup on a big screen there as well if bored by what was happening on stage.
Its located near to freeway to Ram Intra a bit East of Huay Khwang before get to Lat Phrao. Probably 80 Baht taxi ride from Sukhumvit.
411 Pradit Manutham road, Saphansong, Wang Thonglang, Bangkok open 7 PM to 2 AM.
https://goo.gl/maps/EBKri
Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a good dentist in Thailand? Also can anyone suggest the best way to research a particular dentist? Thank you for any help.
Horatio.
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya.Stay in Bangkok.
Even if you hire a car and driver you're going to burn up two hours each way back and forth from Pattya. That's 17 percent of your time on the ground. I realize you are considering the Devil's den limo for at least one leg of the journey, but if you search the forum you'll find that service is very expensive and the experience is only "meh. " Also, you're going to be looking for your first pop about noon on a Sunday. That's a little early to get started in Pattaya. Bangkok too, but it's a far larger city and as you noted you can book an escort session. Finally, there is your recharge time between sessions. In Bangkok you can nip away for some world class shopping or dining. In Pattaya I suppose you've got the beach. But if I was down there I'd be stressing about getting back to BKK in time for my flight. Again advantage Bangkok.
Bunky.
Hi, I know this is a bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a good dentist in Thailand? Also can anyone suggest the best way to research a particular dentist? Thank you for any help.
Horatio.Having been rather unhappy with the quality of the dentistry at both Bumrungrad and the Dental Hospital on Sukhumvit Soi 49, I settled on the Bangkok International Dental Center ("BIDC") and have been happy there so far. They are accredited by JCI, which is a USA -based accrediting organization. BIDC's website is http://www.bangkokdentalcenter.com/..
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
IMO PlanA over PlanB although both have their merits. If you only have 24 hours Bangkok is closer and you know the lay of the land and can maximise your time.
Devils Den opens at 1 pm and at that time (Sunday afternoon / off season) I would guess the selection would be sparse. I would suggest you communicate with them in advance. They also do outcalls to hotels.
DD is better than the Eden Club in Bangkok but not so much so that I would make a special trip to Pattaya for them. That said: if I only had a short time in Pattaya and wanted to maximise it DD would be on the short list for sure.
SL.
Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8I would suggest to go for BKK classics Tulip / SW / Mango / Cherry, but I don't know Pattaya either.
I would suggest to go for BKK classics Tulip / SW / Mango / Cherry, but I don't know Pattaya either.Thank you for your helpful response. One follow up question: Is the quality of the gogo bar girls much higher in Pattaya than BKK, either in terms of looks or attitude? IF not, I am, going BKK all the way, but I was sort of getting the vibe that Pattaya had better young girls and were a bit less sharky.
Thanks again for the great advice.
G8
Wolvenvacht
06-21-14, 08:31
Hey guys,
I have just about exactly 24 hours in BKK on a stop-over, basically from 10 AM Sunday to 10 AM Monday, and I am trying to decide between Bangkok and Pattaya. I have been to Bangkok many times, been to most of the big gogo areas, and ordered up my fair share of escorts. I have never been to Pattaya. I am not particularly concerned about the cost, but I am really interested in quality talent, young, friendly and fun, preferably with two girls. Plan A is to go to Bangkok, call in two escorts for the afternoon, and then hit the gogos at night, probably Bacarra or Rainbow 4. Plan be is to head down to Pattaya, do the Devil's Den in the afternoon, and then hit the gogos in the evening, and maybe get the Devil's Den limo back up to the airport for my 10 AM flight.
Any recommendations or suggestions about which of these plans is likely to put the biggest smile on my face?
Thanks for the feedback.
Gonzo8It is a no brainer: stay in Bangkok. Everything you find in Pattaya, you will find in Bangkok. Perhaps Bangkok is a bit more expensive, but making the trip to and from Pattaya will put you back about 3000 baht which already pays you a nice session in e. G. Annie's.
My plan would be to take a taxi to Bangkok, check in your hotel (somewhere in lower Thanon Sukhumvit), get a bite of food to top up on energy and either do an oily, soapie or Eden Club in the afternoon. Grab a catnap in your hotel, have dinner and then hit the agogo clubs of Nana or Soi Cowboy around 9 PM and bring your sweetie to your hotel for an overnighter. Up to you to decide if you want to sleep that night, but thank her and pay her around 6 AM, get shaved, showered and dressed and jump in a taxi around 7:30 AM so you arrive in the airport not long after 8 AM ready to check in.
If you are up to it, you can add a visit to a blowjob bar in the late afternoon.
It is a no brainer: stay in Bangkok. Everything you find in Pattaya, you will find in Bangkok. Perhaps Bangkok is a bit more expensive, but making the trip to and from Pattaya will put you back about 3000 baht which already pays you a nice session in e. G. Annie's.
My plan would be to take a taxi to Bangkok, check in your hotel (somewhere in lower Thanon Sukhumvit), get a bite of food to top up on energy and either do an oily, soapie or Eden Club in the afternoon. As he mentions Escorts, Bacarrat, and Rainbow 4, I don't really think Eden club will be to his style. LOL. However I agree with the sentiment that its not enough time to make going to Pattaya worthwhile and Pattaya may be generally too low class for him anyway.
I think both your ideal program and mine would be a lot different to his.
Wolvenvacht
06-21-14, 14:04
As he mentions Escorts, Bacarrat, and Rainbow 4, I don't really think Eden club will be to his style. LOL. However I agree with the sentiment that its not enough time to make going to Pattaya worthwhile and Pattaya may be generally too low class for him anyway.
I think both your ideal program and mine would be a lot different to his.Well he did mention Devil's Den in Pattaya and Eden Club comes closest to that in Bangkok, I think.
And the program I mentioned is not my ideal program either. One session a day is enough for me: either a soapie like Annie's, or Eden Club or an LT from Suzie Wong.
Guys,
Thanks very much for the helpful guidance, which I have followed. I am in the taxi on the way to Bangkok now. I will report back and let you know what I find. I have pair of good looking girls from Bangkok Escorts lined up this morning at my hotel, so my 24 hours should start of with a bang. I realize this is a rip off compared to some of my other options, but I have seen one of them before, so I wanted to give it a whirl.
Cheers,
Gonzo8
P.S. Is Baccara back up and running after the fire? How is the quality in rainbow 4? Have things bounced back after the curfew? BTW, I like the sounds of Eden, but I really like young pretty girls, and I have heard some mixed things about their line up.
I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.
I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.A taxi from BKK airport to low Sukhumvit should not exceed 35400, incl motorway tolls and the 50 b. "airport fee".
It has been written many times here that a taxi from BKK airport to Pattaya is 1200 (I read rarely being 1500) but have also read 1000, so I rate 900 is a good deal.
BKK airport is on its way from the city to Pattaya, so do the math: shorter route than from or to town.
Wolvenvacht
06-22-14, 07:06
I know the taxi from the airport to Bangkok is 500 baht, anyone have any idea what it is to Pattaya? I had a return taxi from Pattaya that cost 900 baht via me taxi but I'm not sure if they would pick you up at the airport.The official tariff Bangkok to Chonburi (which is about halfway to Pattaya) is already 1300 baht. Officially the tariff to Pattaya will be about 2000 baht I guess, but if you book the taxi beforehand you should be able to do much better.
The official tariff Bangkok to Chonburi (which is about halfway to Pattaya) is already 1300 baht. Officially the tariff to Pattaya will be about 2000 baht I guess, but if you book the taxi beforehand you should be able to do much better.Myself, I wouldn't do the long taxi ride directly to Pattaya, I'd stay in Bangkok first since its alot quicker to reach after a long flight. I was just curious how much baht would be needed if one wanted to jump into a regular taxi (without prebooking) and asking for a ride to Pattaya.
BTW, I like the sounds of Eden, but I really like young pretty girls, and I have heard some mixed things about their line up.The lineup at Eden is not the youngest or the prettiest. DD in Pattaya beats Eden in that regard. Who knows it might be worth taking a flyer and checking it out with no harm if the Eden lineup is not to your liking.
FWIW I believe I have read that MoMay formerly of Snow White is working at Eden now and she is certainly younger and above average looks wise.
SunLover.
It has been written many times here that a taxi from BKK airport to Pattaya is 1200 (I read rarely being 1500) but have also read 1000, so I rate 900 is a good deal.
BKK airport is on its way from the city to Pattaya, so do the math: shorter route than from or to town.Correct BKK airport is well on the way to Pattaya compared to downtown, and apart from the urban Bangkok traffic. I think the other fare differences can generally be if it is considered an all-in price, or where the passinger pays the tolls and a decent gratuity is expected. Always ask the details and agree in advance.
SunLover.
Correct BKK airport is well on the way to Pattaya compared to downtown, and apart from the urban Bangkok traffic. I think the other fare differences can generally be if it is considered an all-in price, or where the passinger pays the tolls and a decent gratuity is expected. Always ask the details and agree in advance.
SunLover.Mr. T Taxi.
1000 bt from Soi 19/ Sukhumvit to Pattaya and same fare back. Same fare from BKK to / from Pattaya. DMK to / from Pattaya it is 1200 bt No toll charges. Least as of 3 months ago.
Ethan Hunt123
06-23-14, 16:14
I am planning for a 3 day trip in July beginning. Fly in Friday morning & fly out Sunday night. Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? Don't want anything too expensive to stay. A decent place with good breakfast, Wifi should work. I have Annie's, Mango in mind. What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?
Traveler1234
06-23-14, 17:48
Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?Read the following threads for guidance.
Links to Reports of Distinction. Here's an oldie but still classic: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2010-2005-General-Reports&p=364994#post364994
Bangkok Hotels. Details on prices / locations.
Bangkok Reports. General monger sites.
There are then other threads that discuss massage parlors, escorts, etc. BTW, if you're on a budget for hotel, you might find escort service prices a little steep.
DenSloeber
06-23-14, 18:17
1. What mobile packages are catered towards tourists who stay 1 month in Thailand. I hardly call, but I use the internet a lot (line, facebook) en texting. Any tips on what to buy? My phone doesn't have a 4 g, but it can work with 3 g.
2. I'm planning depositing my money in a bank, but I've heard that there are bank fees every time you pull money out of the atm (except for the bank where your bankaccount is). Thus, I'm searching for a bank who doesn't have this fee or a bank that is quite popular so I could only get my money on theirs ATM and not from another bank (I'm going to visit koh chang and the phi phi islands next to BKK).
Any tips?
Kind regards.
Ethan Hunt123
06-23-14, 21:24
Read the following threads for guidance.
Links to Reports of Distinction. Here's an oldie but still classic: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2010-2005-General-Reports&p=364994#post364994
Bangkok Hotels. Details on prices / locations.
Bangkok Reports. General monger sites.
There are then other threads that discuss massage parlors, escorts, etc. BTW, if you're on a budget for hotel, you might find escort service prices a little steep.Not really on budget. But would rather splurge on activities than hotel.
1. what mobile packages are catered towards tourists who stay 1 month in thailand. i hardly call, but i use the internet a lot (line, facebook) en texting. any tips on what to buy? my phone doesn't have a 4 g, but it can work with 3 g.
2. i'm planning depositing my money in a bank, but i've heard that there are bank fees every time you pull money out of the atm (except for the bank where your bankaccount is). thus, i'm searching for a bank who doesn't have this fee or a bank that is quite popular so i could only get my money on theirs atm and not from another bank (i'm going to visit koh chang and the phi phi islands next to bkk).
any tips?
kind regards.just go to the dtac or ais stand at the airport. they have various packages. make sure you ask for the "high speed" 3 g for data.
i get charged 150 or 180 baht to pull money out of foreign account (there are banks with exceptions to this rule i believe) but generally not to take money from my bangkok bank account. i also have kasigorn account (thai farmer's bank), which may be easier to open. bangkok bank not possible, last i checked, unless you have a work visa for thailand.
Wolvenvacht
06-25-14, 07:19
I am planning for a 3 day trip in July beginning. Fly in Friday morning & fly out Sunday night. Suggestions on possible schedules & hotels? Don't want anything too expensive to stay. A decent place with good breakfast, Wifi should work. I have Annie's, Mango in mind. What other options I should be looking at? Also, are Escorts worth it?Assuming you are (fairly) new to Bangkok and you don't want to figure out how the public transport works (it is easy), you best book a hotel on "lower" Sukhumvit Road, say anything between Soi 4 and 23. Last time I was in Bangkok I stayed in Hotel Citypoint (http://citypointhotel.com/). New rooms, good bed (remember to ask one big bed, rather than 2 beds), big shower, strong wifi signal (free), good breakfast and totally guest-friendly if you booked for two persons. Rates between 1700 and 2500 bath per night. Walking distance from Soi Cowboy and the Skytrain and Underground. Of course the Bangkok Hotels thread has many more suggestions, equally valid.
For a schedule, I'd set aside the mornings for "rest & recuperation", the afternoon for a massage, soapy, oily, blowjob or Eden Club visit and the evening for a Nana or Soi Cowboy agogo club tour, crowned with a "Long Time" romp with your favourite dancer.
I have no idea if escorts are worth their expensive fees since I never found it necessary to have to call them in Bangkok. It was so easy to find someone to my liking in an agogo club that hiring an escort never crossed my mind.
However, this abundance of opportunities has its own subtle trap: there is so much to choose from that some people never make a choice until it is too late. The agogo clubs open around 8 PM and really start going as from 9-10 PM. They won't close before 2 AM but by then the best dancers are already long gone with their "beau du jour". To avoid the "I will look in the next club as they may have an ever nicer selection" syndrome and finally ending up with empty hands (and empty bed) I use the following script: Before I start I imagine my "ideal" companion, say "be-size tits, long hair, no tattoos, trimmed pussy, slim figure, tanned skin, good kisser". If I find a girl with all those properties in the first club I visit I take her (provided after some talk we do have some "click" together and her price is acceptable). If I don't find her in the first club I visit, I go to the next club and choose a girl that has all these properties but one. If again not available I go to the next club and will accept a girl that has all these characteristics but two. "Wash, rince, repeat" until you find one.
Before I start I imagine my "ideal" companion, say "be-size tits, long hair, no tattoos, trimmed pussy, slim figure, tanned skin, good kisser". If I find a girl with all those properties in the first club I visit I take her (provided after some talk we do have some "click" together and her price is acceptable).I think your starting parameters are rather on the strict side. Tats are so common now, that you would rule out too many girls. Even minor piercings start to get common. I don't even particularly notice if a girl has tats anymore, if its not too over the top. Like I can't remember if my last girl had any tats or not. I don't care if the skin is white or tanned, and hair length not that important, even tit size not so important if they are nicely shaped. She does have to be pretty, cute little nose, and have nice ass curves with good gap though. No really pudgy girls for me. Hot slim bodies exist. On the other hand I don't move from one place to another relaxing my standards. I guess I set them tough but realistic.
I do agree its wise not to turn up to bars too late. Crazy House was almost out of girls by 1 AM.
*snip*
However, this abundance of opportunities has its own subtle trap: there is so much to choose from that some people never make a choice until it is too late. *snip*.Hi EthanHunt. I just want to reinforce what Wolvenvacht is saying: have a plan. And be prepared to throw it away if something special turns up.
That advice was posted on this forum (somewhere) many years ago, but it's still a very good idea. Many guys wander around -- you will feel like a kid in a candy shop-- and never come to grips with a decision. If you have weeks or months, you'll fall into a comfortable routine and if you wait until "too late" on any night, so what? But if you are on a short trip, have some idea of where you will go, why you are going. Yes, to get laid, for sure, but why else? Sightseeing naked girls? Watching world cup and then hitting a club? Visit Mango or Snow White and have a good dinner later?
You can throw away the plan if you want -- you see / meet some PYT that you just got to have -- but don't throw away a night because you just go from bar to bar.
Enjoy! And let us know how it goes -- what you might have done differently and so forth. TTG.
Wolvenvacht
06-25-14, 20:35
I think your starting parameters are rather on the strict side.It was just an example, not necessesarily my idea of the "ideal girl". But I won't tell you how my "ideal girl" should look for fear that you will barfine and spoil her before I can get to her. ;)
I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.
Fast Eddie 48
06-25-14, 21:15
I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.To Breadman.
Overall Thailand is still number one on my list for mongering and shopping and touring, it have everything you want and I been to many country all over the world yes you are right Thai people are very friendly.
Fast eddie 48.
Wolvenvacht
06-25-14, 21:44
I don't want to clog up the board but was curious how Thailand stacks up to the Philippines, Macau, Hong Kong and Singapore? I really enjoyed my first trip to Thailand and am planning a return, found the Thai people very friendly. Also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did I feel like I was in any danger of being robbed. Did I pick the right asian destination out of the hat? I never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked Thailand out of the blue.I think Thailand beats Singapore on many counts. Yes, Singapore is much cleaner than Bangkok, but all that cleanliness gets boring fast. And for mongering, there is simply no comparison. Last time I was in Singapore I went with a beautiful small Viet lady from Ipanema bar in Orchard Tower. 350 S $ for an all nighter, which is about 2 to 3 times the rate you'll find easily in Bangkok's agogo clubs. And although I had my fun with her (more than once actually), it somehow missed the buzz I get with a Bangkok gogogirl. Somehow it was too clean, too well done. She fitted perfectly in my modern hotel room and although I'm sure she enjoyed our romp, not for one second she could make me forget it was all business: well rehearsed, well executed business, done to perfection. A clean and fresh pussy that squeezed my dick in all the right places. Perfect small tits with big nipples, exactly the size to make it a pleasure to suck and nibble them. A mouth that is made for DFK. No problem to DATY her. A skin without blemishes; eyes to drown in; long, smooth silky black hair. Sex in many positions. .... And yet ... boooooooring. Not her fault, Singapore's fault. It does that to people, you know.
If you have the choice, stay in Thailand.
If you have the choice, stay in Thailand.So far that's my thinking as well, even with the political troubles I'm willing to venture there again. Anyone have any experience visiting Thailand during Christmas and New Years? Those dates are a possibility.
Wolvenvacht
06-25-14, 22:04
So far that's my thinking as well, even with the political troubles I'm willing to venture there again. Anyone have any experience visiting Thailand during Christmas and New Years? Those dates are a possibility.It is more busy and more expensive and you'd do well to book your hotels well in advance. Seeing slim Thai sales girls dress in Father Christmas costumes is well worth coming to Bangkok for. Their long black hair in a ponytail matches the white beard perfectly.
If I don't find her in the first club I visit, I go to the next club and choose a girl that has all these properties but one. If again not available I go to the next club and will accept a girl that has all these characteristics but two. "Wash, rince, repeat" until you find one.How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?
How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?If it's important to you, ask her. Believe me, this question is not, by far, the strangest one she will have been asked! TTG.
Wolvenvacht
06-26-14, 07:10
How do you know if her Pussy is trimmed at this point?That is easy, most of the agogo clubs have the dancers perform entirely nude. And you can always ask. Don't be shy, they have heard and experienced it all.
Agogo clubs who don't have nude dancers usually don't hold my attention for long.
i don't want to clog up the board but was curious how thailand stacks up to the philippines, macau, hong kong and singapore? i really enjoyed my first trip to thailand and am planning a return, found the thai people very friendly. also found getting around was very easy, researching the trip was straightforward and at no time did i feel like i was in any danger of being robbed. did i pick the right asian destination out of the hat? i never consulted anybody on which asian country to visit, just picked thailand out of the blue.these are all unique & excellent choices, except in the pi girls working with le falsely claim guys raped them. i'm not inclined to ever go to there for many reasons, especially that. the other 3 places are, unlike 3rd world poverty striken pi, first class cities.
if you like white skinned girls with big tits, then singapore is the better place to go, not bangkok or pattaya. in singapore you can bang a very hot young vietnamese female for only 600 baht (about 20 usd). you won't find prc, vn, indo, e indian & pi p4 p gals in thailand, but they are easily located in sg. pi gals are famous for being the best for gfe, though i've enjoyed gfe with various nationalities in sg & los.
singapore is a first world country, so obviously superior to any 3rd world nation like thailand in many ways. for example in much of siam you cannot find decent medical care. although if you are in a hotel in the nep area of bkk, then it's much the same as being in a first world destination. there is, for example, a world class hospital just down the street.
generally speaking singapore is way safer, better policed & more politicly stable than los. unlike thaksinland you can drink the tap water in sg, safely walk the streets anywhere in the middle of the night, english is widely spoken written and understood, scams are rare, & the long list goes on & on for pages.
hardly any of the posters here in the thailand forum have been to & researched the places you refer to. you'd be better off asking on the pertinent forums where people are intimately familiar with the respective area. reading the separate isg forums on the places you mentioned should give you some clues re what each of the places has to offer. i'd recommend the "reports of distinction" as an excellent starting point.
Anyone have a favorite hotel in BKK? I'd like to keep it around $40 - $50. I'm sure everyone likes to be near the transit.
Wolvenvacht
06-27-14, 07:09
Anyone have a favorite hotel in BKK? I'd like to keep it around $40 - $50. I'm sure everyone likes to be near the transit.Have a look in the Bangkok Hotels thread. For a short stay I like "Citypoint Hotel", 50 m from the exit of BTS station Asoke and 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy. Between 2000 and 2500 baht per night. Modern, clean and guest-friendly if you book your room for double occupancy. For a longer stay I like a serviced apartment but that is well above your budget.
I never heard of City Point. Just went to trip advisor and it gets excellent reviews. Looks like Wolvenvacht found a gem there. I recommend S Sukhumvit Suites. On Sukhumvit between Soi 23 and Soi Asoke. Outstanding location for mongers. Great for old guys like me that don't want to walk far in the BKK heat. 60 second walk to MRT, BTS, Soi Cowboy, Terminal 21.
Another great one is On8. There is an escolater at the hotel front door that takes you up to the Nana BTS station. Saves a lot of walking in that heat. Great for Soi 11, Soi 7 and 7/1, Bier Garten, Nana Plaza. My On8 room was a good value but it had a frosted glass as opposed to a real window.
I strongly prefer to stay on the odd numbered soi side of Sukhumvit. The area between Soi 11 and Soi Nana is alway hopping.
I also recommend Bigati visit the Bangkok Hotel thread. Lots of exellent info there.
That is easy, most of the agogo clubs have the dancers perform entirely nude. And you can always ask. Don't be shy, they have heard and experienced it all.
Agogo clubs who don't have nude dancers usually don't hold my attention for long.So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?
Wolvenvacht
06-27-14, 18:29
So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?I have no idea, but most of the girls in the agogo clubs speak well enough English to understand such basic questions. And if she doesn't understand, ask a mamasan to assist.
So how do you say in Thai. "Miss, is your pussy trimmed and shaved?Try google translation:
https://translate.google.com/#en/th/Miss%2c%20is%20your%20pussy%20trimmed%20and%20 shaved%3F
Wolvenvacht
06-28-14, 08:59
Try google translation:
https://translate.google.com/#en / th / Miss%2 see%20 is%20 your%20 pussy%20 trimmed%20 and%20 shaved%3 F.I don't trust Google Translate for such things. For all I know, Google "misunderstands" it and then you ask the girl if she shaves her cat. Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)
Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)Again, if it's important to have a shaved snatch, ASK the girl. And if you're skeptical, ask to see her pussy. She's not going to be confused. TTG.
Member #1160
06-28-14, 10:34
I don't trust Google Translate for such things. For all I know, Google "misunderstands" it and then you ask the girl if she shaves her cat. Although the bargirls have seen, heard and done a lot, I'm sure they will find that very kinky. ;)Thais don't use the word pussy as slang the way we do, so you are right about a misunderstanding. Try using the Thai word for clam, "hoy".
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