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Lord Farquard
01-21-16, 02:25
Your retirement visa doesn't remain good for the whole year if you leave? I mean, once you get the visa, you can't simply leave and re-enter during that year (without some sort of re-entry)?
How much is a re-entry stamp?Visa. 1900 thb.
Multi entry. 3800 thb.
FreebieFan
01-21-16, 03:18
A small detail that has caused some problems for friends of mine visiting from the USA; make sure all the currency you intend to exchange in Thailand is as pristine as possible. If you bring a $20, $50 or $100 bill with the intention of exchanging it here but it has a corner missing no deeper than the border of the bill, don't bring it. Return it to your bank and get another one fully intact without a tear or a clipped corner. As it is in many countries, Thai currency exchange offices will not accept foreign bills that are damaged in ways that are accepted and dispensed by banks and retailers in the USA all the time.Its good advice. I had a few bills of US $ 100 denominbation that I had had in my travel wallet. Got to Thailand and they examined them. No tears but they were a bit worn. Wouldn't accept in airport, wouldn't accept in Sukhumvit money changers either. Got to Cambodia and asked in hotel if they could change to smaller bills, whcih are very needed in Cambodia. " sure sir, right away sir ".
Pipe Layer99
01-21-16, 14:10
Visa. 1900 thb.
Multi entry. 3800 thb.Good info LF. Much appreciated.
I also did some checking on-line. Once you get the retirement visa, if you do decide to leave for a side trip and return, you will need a re-entry or the multiple entry (as Eih T mentioned). The re-entry costs is 1000 baht. And yes, that would require a trip to immigration ahead of time. At least that is how I would get it if I wanted to go to another country for awhile. I wouldn't want to be messing around at the airport trying to get it before flying out.
The reason I asked to begin with is because one would think that if you had a retirement visa 'good for a year', it should be valid for the whole year, and no problem whether one leaves for a short trip. It's just another way to get more money.
They give you a retirement visa for a year. But if you decide to leave for a week and come back, they want an extra 1000.
They should call it a single-entry retirement visa and a ME ret visa.
Wolvenvacht
01-22-16, 20:57
They should call it a single-entry retirement visa and a ME ret visa.That would indeed make things more clear, but on the other hand a visum is generally everywhere understood to allow one entry only. In that respect Thailand is actually quite generous to allow you to buy a re-entry as and when needed, without having to apply for a new *real* multiple entry visum in your home country.
Anyone know if the brown bombers are still annoying farangs with drugs tests along Suk? Generally around Soi's 19 - 23.
Thanks.
Styk.
Pipe Layer99
01-23-16, 13:30
IT's not generally understood like that as you mentioned. That describes one entry. One entry would be a single entry visa (like a regular tourist visa). A Retirement Visa should be just that, an extended visa for long term. When granted, one should have the freedom to come and go during the whole year.
The visa allows one to come to the country, so if you are allowed a full year, it should not hinder you or require extra money if you want to travel to a new place. Thats my point.
It's all about money.
Like before Nov 2015, they would issue a double entry visa for 2800 baht (or $80 USD). That allowed 2 entries, with each entry valid for 60 days (can extend 1 month on each).
You would get a total of 90 days, go somewhere for a side trip, and you can return.
They replaced the double entry with a multi-entry visa for 5000 baht. BUT its basically the same thing because you still only get 60 days per entry.
The difference is the cost. Costs you 2200 baht extra now!
A retirement visa should be a long term visa valid for a a year (regardless of entries). If you already have permission to visit for a WHOLE year, you should be able to take side trips to other places within that year.
That would indeed make things more clear, but on the other hand a visum is generally everywhere understood to allow one entry only. In that respect Thailand is actually quite generous to allow you to buy a re-entry as and when needed, without having to apply for a new *real* multiple entry visum in your home country.
Wolvenvacht
01-23-16, 14:37
IT's not generally understood like that as you mentioned. That describes one entry. One entry would be a single entry visa (like a regular tourist visa). A Retirement Visa should be just that, an extended visa for long term. When granted, one should have the freedom to come and go during the whole year.
A visum has two elements: the number of entries and the time allowed "in country".
Unless said otherwise the rule is "one visum = one entry". So the "one year retirement visum" allows you to enter once and stay one year. What's so difficult to understand?
You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.
And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.
You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.
And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.Be sure to read the detail.
I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.
For example, the SRRV for Philippines is not a one-year visa, but an extended period that does not require renewal.
The benefits with SSRV are:
Permanent non-immigrant status with multiple-entry privileges through the Special Resident Retiree's Visa;.
Exemption from customs duties and taxes for the importation of personal effects;.
Exemption from Exit Clearance and Re-entry Permits;
Exemption from payment of travel tax provided the retiree has not stayed in the Philippines for more than one year from date of his last entry into the country;.
Conversion of the requisite deposit into active investments, including purchase of condominium unit;.
Interest on the foreign currency deposit is tax-free and payable to retiree in Philippine Pesos;.
Foreign currency time deposit can be converted into Philippine Pesos deposit, but interest is subject to withholding tax;.
Pension, annuities remitted to the Philippines are tax-free; and.
Guaranteed repatriation of the requisites deposit including invested profits, capital gains and dividends accrued from investments, upon compliance with Bangko Sentral rules and regulations.
Mr Enternational
01-23-16, 16:24
Be sure to read the detail.
I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.In Thailand the retirement visa has to be done every year. Likewise, if you are married to a Thai I think that visa has to be done every year as well.
Wolvenvacht
01-23-16, 18:06
I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.
Have a look at http://www.thailand-immigration.org/thailand-retirement-visa.
You enter on a standard "non immigrant" visum and during the first 30 days of your stay you can apply for an extension for one year if you fulfill the conditions (age and financials).
So in reality it is just an extension of the time allowed to stay in country and once you go outside your visum is cancelled regardless of how long you were still allowed to stay. Same same as with any other standard visum.
You can of course arrrive on one of the multiple entry visa and then you can leave and enter multiple times or you can buy a re-entry permit each time you travel outside.
Blanquiceleste
01-24-16, 04:15
You enter on a standard "non immigrant" visum and during the first 30 days of your stay you can apply for an extension for one year if you fulfill the conditions (age and financials).
Coincidentally I received this flyer in my mail. Interesting!
Pipe Layer99
01-24-16, 13:47
... So the "one year retirement visum" allows you to enter once and stay one year. What's so difficult to understand?
You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.
And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.It's not about complaining smart alex. It's gathering facts and sharing current information for Thailand specifically.
For those complaing about taxi drivers refusing to give change, did you know that they can be reported to the central authority by the driver's number displayed and receive a 5000 Baht fine.
I won't post the phone number to ring, but it has only 4 digits.
I usually say keep the change if I liked the way he drove.
MichaelSamuel
01-27-16, 02:32
So I did a little survey of ATMs on my recent trip and wanted to share the info. I was trying to locate two things. 1. An ATM that would dispense more than 20 k THB so that I could minimize fees, and 2. A lower fee than normal.
So in my November trip I had a Citigold checking account which worked well for the Citibank ATMs in Asok, but it has way too high a minimum balance to avoid a monthly fee so that option only works if you want to keep a lot of money with citibank. From talking with them only Citigold Checking will no incur a foreign exchange fee even so no lower accounts work since anything you gain in ATM fees will wash in exchange fees.
I read that Aeon, ATMS on ground floor of T21 allowed 50 k withdrawls so headed there. Fail on the 50 k, same 20 k as everywhere else. However the fee is 150 THB 50 THB cheaper than most places.
As far as every other bank I tried the 200 THB and 20 k limit were in place. For sure this applied to Siam and Kasikornthai as I kept the withdrawal records for reference.
If anyone gets any other information I would certainly be interested. I like the convenience of the ATMS, but 200 THB and 20 k limit is at the point that even if I didn't get the best exchange rate and brought cash I would still be ahead.
Member #4698
01-27-16, 03:31
So I did a little survey of ATMs on my recent trip and wanted to share the info. I was trying to locate two things. 1. An ATM that would dispense more than 20 k THB so that I could minimize fees, and 2. A lower fee than normal. If anyone gets any other information I would certainly be interested. I like the convenience of the ATMS, but 200 THB and 20 k limit is at the point that even if I didn't get the best exchange rate and brought cash I would still be ahead.Michael,
Check out the Charles Schwab High Yield Investor Checking Account. I set up such an account last year with very little capital - $250. Presently I have $65 in my account. I now fund the checking account a few weeks before every trip with what I think I might need while on the road and more money can be easily transferred into the account at any time if needed.
There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.
The only requirement is that a new customer opens up a Schwab Investment account at the same time the High Yield Checking Account is opened, but there is no minimum amount required for either the Schwab Investment account or the Schwab Checking (ATM card) account. I put an initial $100 into my Investment account just for the hell of it and have left it there. It earns a small amount of interest. Someday I may put more capital into the investment account because I like doing business with this company.
Agree 100%. I have been using the ATM from Schwab for a number of years. All ATM charges are promptly refunded the 1st of the next month.
If you are a USA citizen let me add another. State Farm Insurance has banking. It to refunds all ATM fees the 1st of the next month. You need to keep a $100 balance in same. You can move money into it from an outside source and have it available within 48 hours. Weekends / holidays are an exception.
Michael,
Check out the Charles Schwab High Yield Investor Checking Account. I set up such an account last year with very little capital - $250. Presently I have $65 in my account. I now fund the checking account a few weeks before every trip with what I think I might need while on the road and more money can be easily transferred into the account at any time if needed.
There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.
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MichaelSamuel
01-27-16, 19:15
Foreign exchange fees on that statefarm account?
I have the schwab account and used it in November, but only 4. 81 of fees were refunded, now I looked and only used that one in the phillipinnes, macao, and Hong Kong and I don't have the records to figure which one (s) where refunded. I will check next month on this thailand trip as I used the schwab card exclsusively. Total 550 THB in fees so will see what I get back and let everyone know.
My other no card for no foreign fees and easy use is the captialone360 checking account. Small min and no foreign fees, but no fee reimbursement.
Agree 100%. I have been using the ATM from Schwab for a number of years. All ATM charges are promptly refunded the 1st of the next month.
If you are a USA citizen let me add another. State Farm Insurance has banking. It to refunds all ATM fees the 1st of the next month. You need to keep a $100 balance in same. You can move money into it from an outside source and have it available within 48 hours. Weekends / holidays are an exception.
There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.
I can confirm, ATM fee's are returned. What I question is the $900 withdraw per day statement, I was told my max withdraw was $1000 per day but limited to 2 withdraws of $500. I would also suggest that people should open two accounts and have them linked. This way two different debit cards will be issued. If one is lost or stolen, simply go online and transfer your cash to the other account.
Member #4698
01-27-16, 21:07
I was told my max withdraw was $1000 per day but limited to 2 withdraws of $500. Thanks for you input Breadman. I just checked with a bank representative. $1000 is the default max withdrawal per day, but it can be increased by talking with a Schwab representative. There is NO LIMIT to the number of withdrawals allowed per day.
BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card.
NB.
No foreign exchange fees on the State Farm Account. Acts the same way as the Schwab ATM. I use both to fund myself in my 3 month stays here (Thailand, Issan land).
Foreign exchange fees on that statefarm account?
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Mr Enternational
01-28-16, 02:53
BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card.Be careful and like you said always have a backup. Last time I was in Rio I wasted half a day running back and forth from the bank and calling Schwab on Skype before the problem was finally resolved. I was lucky to already have a little local currency on hand.
Also, I called them before a trip to Colombia in August, but when I got there the card still did not work. I used another one of my ATM cards. The week before last I had no problems with it in Colombia and I have never had a problem with it in Thailand.
Absolutely a must. Call before going out. Credit Cards too. Capital One allows you to do same on line and is good for 60 days. I am now on my 2nd 60 day notification with them. Or else you find yourself in a world of hurt.
Be careful and like you said always have a backup. Last time I was in Rio I wasted half a day running back and forth from the bank and calling Schwab on Skype before the problem was finally resolved. I was lucky to already have a little local currency on hand.
Also, I called them before a trip to Colombia in August, but when I got there the card still did not work. I used another one of my ATM cards. The week before last I had no problems with it in Colombia and I have never had a problem with it in Thailand.
MichaelSamuel
02-03-16, 03:48
Thanks for info. Will look into that as another backup account. I checked today and did get the full refund of 500 thb which schwab credited 13.81 back on the 1st. Was still worth a couple months of fees at citi for all the AA miles I got from opening and funding account. If you are looking to collect miles it is a good value even with a few months of fees waiting for miles to post. Looks like they just upped it to 50 k miles from the 30 k I got, probably cause AA is devaluing their chart in March. Still though miles work well to fly cathay to LOS.
http://www.hustlermoneyblog.com/citibank-citigold-checking-american-airlines-aadvantage-bonus-miles/
No foreign exchange fees on the State Farm Account. Acts the same way as the Schwab ATM. I use both to fund myself in my 3 month stays here (Thailand, Issan land).
Thanks for info. Will look into that as another backup account. I checked today and did get the full refund of 500 thb which schwab credited 13.81 back on the 1st. Was still worth a couple months of fees at citi for all the AA miles I got from opening and funding account. If you are looking to collect miles it is a good value even with a few months of fees waiting for miles to post. Looks like they just upped it to 50 k miles from the 30 k I got, probably cause AA is devaluing their chart in March. Still though miles work well to fly cathay to LOS.
http://www.hustlermoneyblog.com/citibank-citigold-checking-american-airlines-aadvantage-bonus-miles/There has always been a 50 k reward, you just have to find the right link to click on. Sometimes you have to log into your airmile account first and then click the link, sometimes it takes several tries and clearing the browsing history. What's great about AA is you can fly to europe in the off season for 40 k airmiles, only 36 k (4 k refunded) if you use their personal mastercard to pay the taxes. They only fly to Hong Kong and the cheapest I found was 70 k roundtrip (63 k after refund). Too many miles for a flight that doesn't get you to Bangkok. Now if you ever sign up for a United account, make sure you add your favorite imaginary friend to your account upon applying and you'll get 55 k after your spending (50 k + 5 k). But you need 80 k to get you to Bangkok with United now (a ripoff).
Pipe Layer99
02-03-16, 21:03
Thanks for you input Breadman. I just checked with a bank representative. $1000 is the default max withdrawal per day, but it can be increased by talking with a Schwab representative. There is NO LIMIT to the number of withdrawals allowed per day.
BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card. NB.Can be done online also.
With the Schwab account, login to your account. Make sure you are on the SUMMARY page. On the middle right side of the page there are additional options, one of those is a debit card travel notification. You can use that to notify them of travel plans.
Same goes for Capital one 360.
I usually travel with 5 or 6 cards, credit and debit. Always be prepared.
Pay attention to the travel notification length of time! You may need to repeat it if you are travelling for 2 months or longer.
Chase bank does +3% after adjusted exchange rate and an additional $5 dollar charge if using an ATM. This is for a premiere plus account.
I usually travel with 5 or 6 cards, credit and debit. Always be prepared.
I agree. Plenty of backups is essential. I have 2 Thai bank accounts, two Farang accounts and 2 credit cards.
Notification is a bit too much for me. I just notify them once that I am in permanent travel state to multiple countries, including Thailand, Asia and Europe E.U. , sometimes USA.
Notification is a bit too much for me. I just notify them once that I am in permanent travel state to multiple countries, including Thailand, Asia and Europe E.U. , sometimes USA.I agree, but I would stress to everybody to ALWAYS tell your bank if you are travelling anywhere.
Any bank that is serious about protecting you and your money will see flags if there is suddenly a withdrawal from an ATM in any country other than your home country tht you have not told them about, and you run the risk and inconvenience of them freezing your card and your account whilst they contact you to verify if it is a valid withdrawal.
If you're not checking emails regularly or your phone is not in roaming mode then a blocked card can get quite irritating even though it is actually good service by the bank and can protect you against lots of hardships down the line.
My card was frozen once several years ago when I forgot to tell my bank I was in Vietnam but thankfully I had another back-up to tide me over until it was resolved. Nowadays it is high priority on my "to-do" list to tell my bank before I leave home.
I agree, but I would stress to everybody to ALWAYS tell your bank if you are travelling anywhere.
Any bank that is serious about protecting you and your money will see flags if there is suddenly a withdrawal from an ATM in any country other than your home country tht you have not told them about, and you run the risk and inconvenience of them freezing your card and your account whilst they contact you to verify if it is a valid withdrawal.
If you're not checking emails regularly or your phone is not in roaming mode then a blocked card can get quite irritating even though it is actually good service by the bank and can protect you against lots of hardships down the line.
My card was frozen once several years ago when I forgot to tell my bank I was in Vietnam but thankfully I had another back-up to tide me over until it was resolved. Nowadays it is high priority on my "to-do" list to tell my bank before I leave home.Around six or seven years ago Schwab put a security hold on my ATM card when I tried to withdraw funds from an ATM in Bangkok; as part of the process of having the security hold removed, I explained to their rep that I travel overseas very often. Since then I have never informed Schwab of my travel plans and haven't had a single security hold put on my account over the course of a hundred or so overseas ATM withdrawals. I suppose I should add "knock on wood."
. . . as part of the process of having the security hold removed, I explained to their rep that I travel overseas very often. Since then I have never informed Schwab of my travel plans and haven't had a single security hold put on my account over the course of a hundred or so overseas ATM withdrawals. I suppose I should add "knock on wood."I have done the same LA G. I asked HSBC to flag my account as a frequent traveller overseas but. . . I live in the Philippines so if anything can go wrong it will, so I double up every time and inform them. Maybe it's overkill but it removes the "knock-on-wood" aspect (perhaps?)
Banks locked my Credit Card more than once because Lufthansa stupidly tried a 1 cent transaction on my account to test the Credit Card number. Banks viewed this as very suspicious, perhaps fraudulent test of a credit card number. Of course then the subsequent real air ticket payment on the card failed. Very annoying indeed.
Was useless to try to tell Lufthansa not to do that. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
I have done the same LA G. I asked HSBC to flag my account as a frequent traveller overseas but. . . I live in the Philippines so if anything can go wrong it will, so I double up every time and inform them. Maybe it's overkill but it removes the "knock-on-wood" aspect (perhaps?)Maybe the algorithms the banks use these days are better than before at keeping track of one's travel profile, but five or more years ago Chase would often put security holds on my credit cards after I informed then about my travel plans and then used their cards overseas. I went through two or three iterations of canceling my Chase credit cards in total frustration over this (I had more than one) and then at a later date reapplying based on new card bonuses being offered (this was back when you could cancel and later get a new "new card" bonus with each cancel / new card cycle); i had he same problem with American Express, to the point where they once delivered a new card to me in Japan, and then put a security hold on it three times consecutively when I used it in Japan, cleared the hold, and then used it in Japan again. These days I haven't had the security hold problem with Chase, Schwab, American Express, or Capital One cards, despite that I never give them travel notices. But for me, at least in the past, providing my travel plans did not necessarily mean an absence of security holds when I used my cards overseas.
I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.
The good Points:
1. Driver has monthly salary.
2. Always use the meter.
3. Accept all customers. You can just get in without talking about your destination first. No negotiation.
4. Car uses petrol but far less than normal car. Maybe 50%.
5. Smooth driving is encouraged.
6. Devious high cost routes should not occur. Merely tell the driver if you want to get there as cheap as possible or as quick as possible.
7. Quiet vehicle as petrol engine does not run when car is stationary, and low speeds tend to use only quiet electric motor.
8. Modern new vehicles. 600 of them. A further 2500 will be added soon.
9. They even have some female drivers.
10. Camera in taxi to monitor driver is working properly as he should.
Don't talk to drivers of parked taxis, that rush to you, is my advice. Waste of time and money. If you see an All Thai Taxi with white map of Thailand on blue square background and dark yellow Toyota Prius (different style to normal taxis) passing, I suggest pick that one. The Taxi Meter sign on top is a bit different also.
If you have your special private taxi driver that you like (green and yellow vehicles mostly), fine.
I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.
The good Points:
I forgot the downside:
Only 1 in every 100 or more taxis is an All Thai Taxi, and then it might not be available. You have to get lucky. In a less desirable location, the ratio may be better. I saw 2 go past walking to local 7 eleven and back.
I caught one 3 times partially by luck and partially by design. I have not used a taxi anything like 300 times. 30 times in 3 weeks would be more realistic. Obviously chances increase when several passing taxis say, no, they don't want to go to my home, past On Nut.
I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.
Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.
My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.
After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).
We agreed on 1.000 Baht in total. She asked me to pay in advance and stupid me did so. The massage began and wasn't really good. A lot of times she massaged me with only one hand. That not only disturbed me but also gave me a bad feeling because I wanted to know what she did with her other hand. My clothes were on a hanger on the wall. She could easily have her hand inside my pants and grab my wallet. I really thought about checking my stuff in that moment but decided not to because of the Thai lose-face-shit. But I turned my head to the side of the wall so I could see my clothes. After a while she massaged my neck again and turned my head to the other side. Okay, now I was pretty sure. I thought the next time she would massage me with only one hand I would turn around and she would be caught in the act. To my surprise she always used two hands for the last 2 or 3 minutes.
After that the flip was next. HJ was okay and I could see my clothes. I wasn't worried then anymore.
After I finished I got dressed and walked out of the room. I wanted to give her a tip because she worked hard to make me cum. As I took my wallet out I realized that several 1. 000 Baht-bills were missing. Now I really got angry and confronted her, for a moment I didn't care if anybody would lose his or her face.
She acted like she wouldn't understand what I was talking about. That made me even more angry but I tried to calm down. I told her that I was missing about 8.000 Baht, at least 7. 000 Baht and the money disappeared during the massage. She walked me back to the room and acted like she would help me to look for the money.
I couldn't stay calm now. I told her that she turned my head, played loud music (I forgot to mention that) and only used one hand for the most time of the massage. Shouldn't I get my money back I would call the police.
"Police" was the magic word. Suddenly she wanted to talk to her colleagues, maybe someone sneaked in and stole the money. They went back to the massage-room. Meanwhile another colleague asked me what happened and I told her the story.
After a while the colleagues came out of the room and asked me to enter it. There was my masseuse waiting and gave me 5.000 Baht. She told me, one colleague stole it but she didn't understand her why and how she took it and it would have been only 5. 000 Baht, no more. Of course that's complete bullshit in both points. There was no way she wouldn't recognize it with my clothes about half a meter away from her.
I told her calmly that there still would be missing 2 or 3 1.000 Baht-bills. She then acted to be total desperate and opened her purse where. Of course. Only the one bill was I gave her in advance. I should take it if I'm sure that it were more than that 5.000. I was sure so I took it.
So I got back 6.000 of the 8.000 Baht I thought were missing. Later in my room I tried to figure out how much money I had before I withdrew at the ATM, if I calculated right it's been even 10.000 Baht missing. So I paid about 4.000 Baht for a shitty massage, a HJ and a lot of trouble! Another lesson lerned.
That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.
I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.
Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.
My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.
After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).
We agreed on 1.000 Baht in total. She asked me to pay in advance and stupid me did so. The massage began and wasn't really good. A lot of times she massaged me with only one hand. That not only disturbed me but also gave me a bad feeling because I wanted to know what she did with her other hand. My clothes were on a hanger on the wall. She could easily have her hand inside my pants and grab my wallet. I really thought about checking my stuff in that moment but decided not to because of the Thai lose-face-shit. But I turned my head to the side of the wall so I could see my clothes. After a while she massaged my neck again and turned my head to the other side. Okay, now I was pretty sure. I thought the next time she would massage me with only one hand I would turn around and she would be caught in the act. To my surprise she always used two hands for the last 2 or 3 minutes.
After that the flip was next. HJ was okay and I could see my clothes. I wasn't worried then anymore.
After I finished I got dressed and walked out of the room. I wanted to give her a tip because she worked hard to make me cum. As I took my wallet out I realized that several 1. 000 Baht-bills were missing. Now I really got angry and confronted her, for a moment I didn't care if anybody would lose his or her face.
She acted like she wouldn't understand what I was talking about. That made me even more angry but I tried to calm down. I told her that I was missing about 8.000 Baht, at least 7. 000 Baht and the money disappeared during the massage. She walked me back to the room and acted like she would help me to look for the money.
I couldn't stay calm now. I told her that she turned my head, played loud music (I forgot to mention that) and only used one hand for the most time of the massage. Shouldn't I get my money back I would call the police.
"Police" was the magic word. Suddenly she wanted to talk to her colleagues, maybe someone sneaked in and stole the money. They went back to the massage-room. Meanwhile another colleague asked me what happened and I told her the story.
After a while the colleagues came out of the room and asked me to enter it. There was my masseuse waiting and gave me 5.000 Baht. She told me, one colleague stole it but she didn't understand her why and how she took it and it would have been only 5. 000 Baht, no more. Of course that's complete bullshit in both points. There was no way she wouldn't recognize it with my clothes about half a meter away from her.
I told her calmly that there still would be missing 2 or 3 1.000 Baht-bills. She then acted to be total desperate and opened her purse where. Of course. Only the one bill was I gave her in advance. I should take it if I'm sure that it were more than that 5.000. I was sure so I took it.
So I got back 6.000 of the 8.000 Baht I thought were missing. Later in my room I tried to figure out how much money I had before I withdrew at the ATM, if I calculated right it's been even 10.000 Baht missing. So I paid about 4.000 Baht for a shitty massage, a HJ and a lot of trouble! Another lesson lerned.
That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.While some very nice ladyboys exist, LBs are known to be much more devious and tricky than regular girls. Can't be trusted unless you know them well. LB pick pockets very common.
I would suggest using well known reliable MPs. If trying some unusual place, leave the wallet in Hotel safe and take just enough money.
Another possibility is to hide the money somewhere really strange while girl is not present. I have sometimes done that with bargirls that I don't know, just to be sure. Then if she checked my pants while I was showering, would find nothing. I leave door open so I can see the girl almost all the time.
We always have to try to avoid these problems before they happen. As not experienced in Thailand we can become too complacent.
So stay away from groups of ladyboys. Use highly recommened places and be aware of possible scams to be avoided. Leave wallet behind when not needed.
I never leave wallet behind but am not visiting risky places, in my estimation. I don't keep more than necessary in wallet, mostly and never a fortune. Its possible to lose a wallet without help too.
You could have had less than 5000 in this case.
PerezPerez
02-18-16, 04:23
I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.
Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.
My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.
After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).
That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.Very sad to hear that. Something similar happened to me on my stay in Bangkok last week. I have no problems to take the name of the Hotel, its LE Fenix Sukhumvit. The only difference if the incident happened at my hotel. I booked this hotel through their website providing my CC information. On arriving the reception man was blunt face and rude and started asking me to pay the full amount up-front, to which I denied as I didn't have enough Thai Baht, and it was 2 am. The room was smelly with cigarette smoke. The morning my key card stopped working, when I went to reception I know they blocked it so that I come down and pay. I expresses my displeasure to which they did not respond. There was no breakfast as stated, just a box with few breads and so I denied. The gym was crappy, no drinking water, half broken equipment and no attendant. Enough about the hotel. Lets come to the main part.
There was a safe in the room, with pass code, which I used for keeping my passport, some important documents and my cash (USD). Thinking it safe I never carried the cash outside with me, instead a few bills that I would change for Thai baht. My mistake every time I return to my room, I didn't count the balance cash. I never thought of it as it was in the safe used by my own 4 digit pass code. The last day due to short time, I was in rush to checkout. I took my passport cash and other stuff and left the hotel. On the taxi, way to the airport, when I counted the cash, exactly $600 was missing from total of $5200. I have changed ($200 x 3 times = $600) and left cash I had was $4000. Now I kept thinking all the way about it and I am very sure no one would have access to my cash nor I ever got drunk and spend the cash by mistake, or someone might have stolen on the way, there was no possibility whatsoever. It was too late for me to go back as I would miss the flight, and anyway they would deny it. I do remember one instance in 2014 when I stayed in Citadines in Suk-8, my room safe was locked when I check in and the staff brought in a machine to unlock it. They said the previous guest forgot to unlock it when they left, so they need to use this machine to unlock for me. They made me sign in their register, that they did this operation in front of me. I clearly remember when they connected the electronic un-locking device to the safe to override the pass code, it actually displayed the pass code which was used last and then unlocked it. So now I am not sure actually what had happened in my case. Since I have no evidence now I can not claim nor can I blame anyone except myself that I trusted the hotel and the safe to keep my valuables. What makes me more suspicious is that if someone took out some amount leaving the rest, it would be less suspicious than taking all of them hence get risked of being caught sooner. Whatever might had happened I have learned my lesson too, that I won't trust the hotel staff or their safe anymore.
Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).
https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBY
There was a safe in the room, with pass code, which I used for keeping my passport, some important documents and my cash (USD). Thinking it safe I never carried the cash outside with me, instead a few bills that I would change for Thai baht. My mistake every time I return to my room, I didn't count the balance cash.When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.
My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.
Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).
https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBYWas the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.
JesseJames
02-19-16, 00:59
When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.
My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.What happens if there's some trouble with the card? Cash is King. You can take your safe stuff wrap it up in a plastic bag and tape it up. Make notes on it. Clear tape is easy to carry and comes in handy for traveling anyway.
JesseJames
02-19-16, 01:01
I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.
The good Points:
1. Driver has monthly salary.
2. Always use the meter.
3. Accept all customers. You can just get in without talking about your destination first. No negotiation.
4. Car uses petrol but far less than normal car. Maybe 50%.
5. Smooth driving is encouraged.
6. Devious high cost routes should not occur. Merely tell the driver if you want to get there as cheap as possible or as quick as possible.
7. Quiet vehicle as petrol engine does not run when car is stationary, and low speeds tend to use only quiet electric motor.
8. Modern new vehicles. 600 of them. A further 2500 will be added soon.
9. They even have some female drivers.
10. Camera in taxi to monitor driver is working properly as he should.
Don't talk to drivers of parked taxis, that rush to you, is my advice. Waste of time and money. If you see an All Thai Taxi with white map of Thailand on blue square background and dark yellow Toyota Prius (different style to normal taxis) passing, I suggest pick that one. The Taxi Meter sign on top is a bit different also.
If you have your special private taxi driver that you like (green and yellow vehicles mostly), fine.They are pretty small for luggage.
Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.Probably. I suspect many / most of them were.
PerezPerez
02-19-16, 01:48
When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.
My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.Your method is good for keeping self track of your spending and being known with your left over cash, but I don't think it might discourage or prevent any potential thief who have already got access to your safe. Anyway I travel often, so I have no choice. I will be more careful from next time, and try to keep min cash with me. If I am not going to any risky area the better idea would be to keep them with me. I would have to take the risk of either leaving it at the hotel or carrying it all along with me. Seems no choice.
They are pretty small for luggage.Put luggage on the back seat. Sit in the front. I always sit in the front. How much luggage have you got?
Okay Too small for a family with luggage.
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 02:47
Probably. I suspect many / most of them were.The girl that is in bed with me right now does not have the square shoulders that many in those pictures had.
Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).
https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBYI see the modern trend is to have a video reviewing the big sports game, even though no actual video coverage of the game is included and only still pics. I think it's annoying. Why not have just written text and still pics imbedded if relevant?
I maybe a dinosaur, but why do still pictures need to be made into a video and with music (too loud) and zooming? It's a bit gimmicky for me. I prefer still pics, so can quickly skip over the not so pretty ones, and see them all at once. Chews less bandwidth as well. If it is a video, I would prefer it to have no sound myself. It's just a distraction and have to hunt for the volume control.
Most girls were good looking indeed and half were my type with small face, upturned nose, and stunning. Thank god not much obvious fake noses too. Very Good indeed.
Only number 2 girl was ordinary looking to me. Just not my type. Not sure why she made the top ten.
Did you take the original still pics yourself, or borrow them? Do you know for certain that all are Thai girls? I can't really tell from stills if any could possibly be LBs. If so, they must be amazingly pretty ones. I agree the girl in red looks the most suspicious (nose and shoulders).
Banana Boi
02-19-16, 03:24
Girl at 1:10, then girl at 1:02 in that order.
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 03:36
I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".
Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.
Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?
I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".
Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.
Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?Seeing this is in English and Thai girls don't speak good English, it is a problem. I wonder if Google translate spat that out. So I wonder what Thai phrase was used to translate to "take care of me". I have never seen this phrase from a hooker or my Thai GFs.
Shy Thai girls do love to speak indirectly using Euphemisms rather than to say to come and fuck me. To be honest, I don't know what she means. Whether it is look after her sexually or help her out with the rent that is due, or both. Could mean to become her boyfriend / sponsor on an ongoing basis at worst case.
I guess you just have to show up, start some kissing, and say to her you don't really understand what she meant in the message. If she just wants sex you may be very relieved. Chances of that? Maybe less than 30%. She probably is looking for commitment even if no money initially. It's so easy to pick up a Thai GF accidentally.
What percentage of modern girls are just looking for a fuck without romance as well? I don't know. I am too old.
Bargirls, Massage girls, Girlfriends, wives, they are all very much the same. Eat money. My GF costs me a lot of money because she has no job. For a long time her efforts were needed to look after her sick father. Even if she had a low paid job, would still use plenty of money. Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.
Another girl, I would really have liked to be my wife or GF, would have been even more expensive to "take care of". Her monthly expenditure was very high, originally supported by P4P and now supported by some very rich guy.
Don't get too far into something too quickly, unless its just a pussy.
Captain Solo
02-19-16, 04:12
I know when Chinese civies girls in the clubs say "I need you to take care of me." they mean they need you to fuck the shit out of them every night, make sure of their physical safety, security and getting money from you without losing face. Most Chinese civies in ShenZhen clubs are too proud to ever ask for money from sex partners, but most guys know they are expected to give the girl the going rate of 1,000 RMB in the morning after breakfast.
With Thai girls, when they ask if you will take care of them even though they are not bar girls, they mean they don't want to lose face and will not outright ask for money in exchange for sex like bar girls, but still expect you to take care of their money needs at the same level or even higher. It's just a hint for money with face saving. They are hoping that you will play the generous guy and pay them much higher than the cheap hos.
Try to give her 1,000 baht for taxi in the morning and wait to see what she would do next!
Pussies are never free!
I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".
Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.
Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 04:25
It's so easy to pick up a Thai GF accidentally.You are fucking telling me. The one I have now was by accident. Luckily when I met her and she first came over unannounced I nipped that shit in the bud. When I got here the other day she was home in Buriram because her job is closed for a month for renovation plus het mom has been in the hospital. I could not have been happier. Mom is doing better and can eat now so what does she do yesterday? Come right back to Pattaya. Dammit.
Last night the security guy was asking me where is your girlfriend because they always talk. I said man I don't have a girlfriend. The girl that is in my bed now said when she got here last night the security guy asked if she was here to see me. Well of the few foreigners in my building I am the only one who does not live with a chick. The Thai guys who live here are mooching off their girls and the rest of the chicks who live here are toms, most living with their girls. So that pretty much narrows it down.
She will be over soon because I have to go renew my license and the registration for my bike and she wants to go with me. I got to kick this chick out before she gets here. My girlfriend is great; it is just that I am not the settling down type.
Are you fucking serious. I get the girl up and out of here and she leaves her damn telephone. Luckily I was on hair cleanup detail and saw it on the nightstand. Now to take the battery out of this damn thing. You gotta be shittin me.
Crocodilexp
02-19-16, 04:36
Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?When spoken by a Thai woman, "you can take care of me" almost certainly does not mean the guy should take care of her sexually. It is a soft / polite indication she expects material / financial assistance in some form, at some point.
If she says "I take care of you", however, may well mean that she'll address your sexual needs. No, Thailand is not an big on gender equality.
Are you fucking serious. I get the girl up and out of here and she leaves her damn telephone. Luckily I was on hair cleanup detail and saw it on the nightstand. Now to take the battery out of this damn thing. You gotta be shittin me.If you have a serious GF, you cannot fuck anyone else where you live. The evidence will be found sooner or later. I use Hotels, mostly the ST variety, or on premises at MPs.
Even the GF doesn't find evidence, someone else will blab and tell her you have been fucking around. It's better if your apartment complex believes you are not playing the field.
I recommend that you do not monger right in front of GF's face. My GF for sure knows I play up, and seems acceptable to her, if not too obvious, and not too serious. I do not keep condoms in the house any more. Too risky. Means I have to buy condoms and lube almost every time I monger. A nuisance, but safer than having condoms and lube found in my jeans pocket.
Even returning from an MP, there is a risk GF will smell unusual soap on you, or find you to be rather too clean. Some girls are like detectives. My current GF is not the detective type. A previous one was. Obviously various Apps on my phone have to be protected by a pattern to unlock.
Years ago, when first met the GF, someone reported to her seeing me with another girl around Nana area. Possibly her brother? Was true as well. She was very upset at the time, but later got over it. I could only explain that I was not fully committed to her at the time. Amazingly bad luck, but I risk these things very regularly. Try not to be seen to much in public with hookers, but have been seen just outside the Asoke Place ST hotel with a girl by local Sports Pub staff, so nothing is totally safe. My GF won't be going to the Sports Pub fortunately.
Interesting analysis by Crodilexp. He may have it sussed out.
I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".
Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.
Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?As Mr. Croc said, when a Thai lady (BG or non-BG) uses the euphemism "take care" (meaning the man will take care of her) it always means financially, often long-term. In specific contexts it can mean assist, supervise, etc. , as in "when we go to Hua Hin, my daughter can take care of Mom. ".
When she uses "take care" as in I take care of you, it's always sexual, unless the context is obviously otherwise, as in "You're sick, I will take care of you. " I note that I've only heard BGs use this. My non-BG GF has never used that euphemism toward me regarding sex. When sick, yes.
Case in point, years ago I called a Pattaya fave from my hotel. No answer. She called back a bit later. "Hi, what were you doing?" "I take care falang. " And once, in a Loy Kroh bar the hostess admitted to being 17. I quickly lost interest, she got a bit irked and said "17 old enough to take care!
Mr Enternational
02-19-16, 10:45
Okay. I finally broke down and asked my girlfriend (that I have never given 1 baht to in the 8 months that I have known her and who is a cashier in a Walking Street gogo bar) what does it mean when a Thai woman tells a man to take care of her. She had no idea what it meant. After 5 minutes of back and forth I suggested she call a friend to ask.
She put me on with the friend and in summary the friend said that it means the same things that it means when a western woman talks about a man being there for her. (I first heard this phrase with my girlfriend my first year at the university and had no earthly idea what it meant then either.) It seemed to pretty much be an emotional thing. In the 2 minutes that I let her ramble on before I gave the phone back to my girlfriend she said absolutely nothing about money, gifts, or other material things.
Now to go to the Philippines thread and ask. When I picked up a chick at the disco in Angeles last month her friend said, "Take care of my friend okay?" I undoubtedly took that to mean give her money seeing that I was in a hooker pick-up spot. But maybe I was wrong!
Mr Happy Feet
02-19-16, 14:33
Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.
Thanks,
MHF
Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.I have found this to be true the very hard way. So if someone is contemplating more than just pussy fun, you should read and re-read that often because it is the truth.
No matter how expensive a P4 P girl is, she is cheaper than the same girl as a GF, of even a bit lower beauty GF.
Not only do they take the money, they also take your time (which is worth more than money) and get your emotions messed up sometimes which also makes you less productive (less money!) than you could be.
Some P4 P girls give better GFE than real girlfriends (especially after the "honeymoon" period ends), and you can change to a new one any time with no drama.
Okay. I finally broke down and asked my girlfriend (that I have never given 1 baht to in the 8 months that I have known her and who is a cashier in a Walking Street gogo bar) what does it mean when a Thai woman tells a man to take care of her. She had no idea what it meant. After 5 minutes of back and forth I suggested she call a friend to ask.
She put me on with the friend and in summary the friend said that it means the same things that it means when a western woman talks about a man being there for her. (I first heard this phrase with my girlfriend my first year at the university and had no earthly idea what it meant then either.) It seemed to pretty much be an emotional thing. In the 2 minutes that I let her ramble on before I gave the phone back to my girlfriend she said absolutely nothing about money, gifts, or other material thingsYou have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.
Only the guys here are admitting indirectly it means.
Money. If you meet a girl well paid that costs you less than P4 P, you are doing quite well.
Anyway at least it seems to be well agreed that she does not mean come over and fuck her brains out. Does not mean that sex is not possible. However cross that bridge when the time comes.
I had an ex GF who was a chef. She did not earn that much so I took all the bills and rent etc. I could have lived far cheaper alone and the relationship was not a sexual success. Was more like living with a very close sister. Definitely cost me significant money. She is still like a sister to this day although has become harder to put up with for great amounts of time. She relies on me for help still, not financial but using my time. She has a lot of money now as not have to spend that much in the years she lived with me. No bad habits. LOL except for nagging of course and wanting to tell me a lot of repetitious boring shit about her problems. I have to be there for her even if not physically in the same country. LOL I have to look after her somewhat. She will call me any time she has a problem.
Wolvenvacht
02-19-16, 19:35
Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.
Thanks,
MHFIf by "German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club" you mean a club that charges you a fixed amount and then you can have sex with as many of the ladies present as you want (or rather can), sometimes even "in the open" with many participants at the same time, then I think you are looking in the wrong country.
Contrary to what many think, Thai are quite conservative in sexual matters. "Orgies" are not something that fits well with the average Thai.
I remember a story of some European swinger couples who organised on a semi-regular basis swinger-parties in Bangkok (or was it Pattaya? After a few parties the Police raided their place and send them all back home to Europe. It wasn't entirely clear on what basis such parties are forbidden as there was no prostitution involved. Probably something as vague of "open debauchery" or "public nuisance", although the parties happened in their apartment.
Naked Gunz
02-19-16, 21:30
I have found this to be true the very hard way. As did I. WTF was I thinking!
Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.
Thanks,
MHFYour request is a bit too solution oriented. You should try to specify what things would be exciting and we could comment on how something like that could be arranged.
I have taken as many as 3 girls at a time to my hotel room, and we had a mini orgy. I did not need any other guys but you could have a buddy or two join in if desired. Anything is possible for a price, if the girls understand what they are agreeing to and the price. I recommend selecting girls quite used to performing sex with other persons present. Otherwise girls can be too shy. I used to use girls who do lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and my "orgies" were satisfactory for me. admiral premier was my favourite hotel where they did not blink when took 3 girls to my room, however I was a regular customer at the time. Could have a shortage of towels, so call to reception to ask for additional towels.
Getting this as cheap as Party Treff is quite doubtful, however 3 girls for 2 hours would not break the bank. 6000 Baht could well be possible, given that girls are sharing the work load. If extra guys, the price might go up. 2 hours or all night will be the best deals from a value for money basis.
As for FKK similarity, there are bars where many of the girls are dancing completely nude on a raised stage with good lighting, so you can see their bodies fully and clearly. Some of the girls wander around the bar completely nude. I like this. It's the nearest thing to FKK, perhaps better, as can have girls sit with you for a period to check out the chemistry, merely buying them a drink or two, till you are sure you want to fuck them. It is going to cost you 100 Euros to take a girl away for short time sex, including drinks and barfine, however you can get more than an hour with them, perhaps two hours sometimes. There is no guarantee about the girl's service. She might not know how to do a good BJ. It's a roll of the dice.
Crazy House has best looking girls for me, where Suzi Wong girls on average perform better and are less dick scared (many are young mothers). I had very few really crap girls at Suzi Wong. At CH, it was more like 50/50 so I tend to repeat good girls a lot, to improve my success rate.
Mr Enternational
02-20-16, 02:13
You have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.Of course I received the female perspective because that is the gender that the phrase I was questioning originates from. That is why I asked what females mean when they say. I did not ask what males think females mean. A male "perspective" would only be an assumption or interpretation. I could have given my own assumption without bothering the board about it and been wrong. But I wanted to consult and see what experience or info others had gathered during their Thailand times. Why would she not want to admit that it could mean money had that been the case? Do you think they can psychologically or subliminally extract money from me without verbalizing it? I don't just go around passing out money to chicks on the sole basis that we are fucking, unless I know her to be a prostitute.
I disagree that Thai girls will sooner or later need a guy's financial support. I have dealt with a myriad of women here in Thailand and the ones who are not known hookers I have not given 1 baht. And some of those I am still involved with years down the road. And some that I have cut off are still trying to get back in with me. My present girlfriend did not even have a job when I met her 8 months ago and she has never asked me for anything. No birthday gift, no valentines gift, no buy her something to eat, no nothing. Yet she is right here sleeping with her arm around me as she will do everynight if I allow it. The only thing I ever bought her was a tablet and she didn't want that.
I hurt my foot back in September and she took care of me very well while I was incapacitated. Since I met her she would always be reading books on her small ass phone so I thought a good gift to give her would be a tablet so she could enjoy reading more comfortably.
I wanted to surprise her with the tablet so I told her that I would go to the doctor alone that day. But she would not have it. She insisted on taking me as she did everyday since I hurt my foot on the scuba diving boat in Koh Tao. We left the doctor and went to Tukcom where I negotiated for the tablet in front of her, getting her opinion on it and the case. Hell she even heard the lady ask if I wanted it set up in English or Thai and I said Thai. I went upstairs and bought a 64GB memory card then we walked next door to True Move.
I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.
A guy that I know here told me that before choosing a serious chick to make sure that woman is totally down with you and not out to get money. It seems that most guys are total opposite and begin throwing money at Thai women as soon as they meet them. This is where they go wrong. Once you start off one way with a woman you can't come later and change your pattern. Pavlov even taught you that with his dogs. You ring that bell the dogs expect to eat; you ring a Thai woman's phone she expects you will give her money. You have been giving her money every week so she will start depending on that and come to expect it. You cut that off and she is likely to cut you off.
But anyway. My buddy said he met his girl and they were kicking it a while. When he decided to get serious with her, he had to put her to the test. He acted sick for a few months. Even to the point where the girl would have to wipe his ass for him. Friends would come over laughing and about to blow his cover. Some time after he was satisfied with the results of that test he decided to run another test and acted like he was out of money. His girl said that is okay baby I will go get a job. His girl went and got a job and started paying all the bills not complaining at all. When he was satisfied with the results of that test he went and married her and they have been together ever since.
So from my own experience as well as other people who I have come in contact with experiences, I totally disagree that sooner or later you will have to give a Thai woman financial support. Now if you are choosing women off of stripper poles that are 1/3 your age then of course that will be the case. If you start out paying them you can't reasonably expect them to continue on if you stop paying them. How do you figure the woman made it through life her how many ever years without you supporting her financially? Hell, she worked to earn her keep just like every other able-bodied person on this earth should be expected to do.
Mr Enternational
02-20-16, 02:44
Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?
If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?If sex is the major part of a relationship it will surely fail. I agree with both of you. Having a GF is not value for money if all you are interested in is sex. If that is the case you are better off with P4 P. The sex fades; it always does. So what are you left with? If you make a smart choice then you are with someone you are compatible with, have fun with, and enjoy being around. A relationship where you give each other space as well. Sex is really far down the list. I would never choose a GF based on sex.
I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.
I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.
Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.
I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.
Any comments appreciated!
Mr Enternational
02-20-16, 15:18
Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? The girl is not there to be interested. The girl is there to get money. You never know what you have until you get her back to the room. You may have thought she would not be good because she was not all over you in the bar. Well one school of thought says that an empty wagon makes the most noise. I am sure every guy has had the girl who is all crunk at the club or the bar but when you get her alone you wonder where that girl went and who the girl is that switched places with her. Use all the strategies and methods you want to. There is only way to tell what will be, and that is to get her back to the room. You will win some and you will lose some. Just have fun playing the game.
I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.
Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.
I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.
Any comments appreciated!My vote is you made the right call. It is one I wish I had made many times over but didn't. lol. Sure, there is always the possibility that some lackluster, non-reciprocating, non-affectionate girl in a bar will turn out to be the most loving and responsive partner you ever had when you get her alone in the room. But the likelihood of a Jekyll and Hyde transformation in THAT direction happening is very slim. Jekyll and Hyde transformations in the OTHER direction are almost commonplace. But the other way around? I wouldn't waste another minute thinking that is what I just missed out on. Her body language was giving you volumes of information whether she wanted it to or not.
The girl that is in bed with me right now does not have the square shoulders that many in those pictures had.Ah, poor baby! Looks like she is not going to leave. She seems like she will be your LT GF. Better give her a spare key man!
Now, I understand your hair cleanup detail. Anyways, Mr. ENT you rock! .
MusicalToM
02-20-16, 20:40
Interesting!
Your logic sounds pretty good. Perhaps it can be tried at least once. However I'm a newbie as well & I've decided to go to any club with an open mind. I'll just put my requirements in front of the girl (each & everything precisely) & any girl who I like and falls under my requirement will be barfined by me for the night. With mongering it's always a risk to choose a girl who matches your mindset, but you have to take the risk unless you want to repeat the same girl who already have matched your needs.
I'm also traveling in March to Pattaya. We both could meet & monger together with some plans / goals to understand the experiments more accurately. .
I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.
I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off...
I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.
Well, Mr ENT now I know why some of your girls show up unannounced or your apt security thinks they are your GF!
I have learned through experience that however much I love being a generous guy, sometimes it is wrongly interpreted. A couple of examples from the past 2 years.
1. I had this really cute girl in Lima who I'd spent some time with and last time almost a month. The second time around I brought her a laptop (along with some fabrics specific colors etc she wanted because her mom is great at making her custom dresses). Anyways, she didn't want the laptop because she was fine with her older one. But, she wanted me to buy her shoes. I did that too (and returned the laptop at Best Buy on my return). Great, beautiful chick. But, after that she went around telling some other girls (friends and one of her cousins) that I was going to propose to her! God knows where she got that into her head, but I think girls day dream based on emotional response to stimuli from us. Well, I had to dial back real fast!
2. A couple of other stories from Puerto Plata. One cute, college girl I had been to Lifestyle resort with for a few days and then ended up spending like at least 10 total days of my 5 week visit. She was great and really, really nice. She has a kid and so I would always give her dineros (never asked and never discussed as I met her on Cupid). Anyways, over the 10 days, in addition to Lifestyle, I maybe gave her at least 20 k DR pesos, plus some other gifts like earrings, perfumes etc from the USA. One day she asks if her cousin can come to the pool and I say ok, and sure enough when the cousin arrives, she introduces me as her novio!! I'm thinking to myself, wow! How did that happen? Again, I think girls imagine what they want and then it is kind of like filling in the blanks on their own.
A few other stories very similar, well, at least 3 more in the past 2 years and I always get concerned about setting false expectations.
Funny thing, in Sao Paulo last month, a girl from a prive, beautiful, blond, 20, decides to come with me for the night to my hotel after her prive closes. By the next morning, she is already trying to pick stuff off my chest (blackhead or something). I have seen that before. When they think that really like you long term, they kinda get an image in their own mind, and often one of the clues for me is when they want to pick on something from my back, shoulder, face etc. Like some in the animal kingdom do. Even birds, chimps etc. And then, she sets my up iPhone on whatsapp and plugs her contact stuff in and then she starts whatspping me in between her customers at the prive, when she is working. To me these are all warning signs of where I feel I need to pull back or clearly reset expectations. I mean, really fun girl. Bubbly, great personality. Super Fun ! But still, you can tell when they like you and THEY want and EXPECT more. It's a darn double- edged sword man !
IF I don't, and continue after these cues or signals from the girls (and none were over 22, and I'm in my 50's and speak very few words of Spanish or Portuguese ) , then I think I have allowed false expectations to set in. So, I am now learning. BTW, I like to dance, pretty intensely, And, oftentimes, I think this is where the next day or few days later, they think they have moved on to a new level with me, when from POV, it's a normal thing for me and nothing unique or ground breaking.
The point of all this is to say that sometimes things go unsaid. Chicks draw their own conclusions about you. They imagine things (particularly at say the age of 20,21 or 22). So, now I am ever watchful for those cues and signals and careful to pull back or reset quickly or just move on totally. FWIW. YMMV.
My vote is you made the right call. It is one I wish I had made ... giving you volumes of information whether she wanted it to or not.I was thinking that, you know, if that was reflective of how all physical contact will be? I just thought I'd cut my losses.
The girl is not there to be interested.... You will win some and you will lose some. Just have fun playing the game.But, yes, Mr Enternational, you are right too. No way to know how exactly it will go. Thank you for your input.
On a related note, I've often left a bar if I was done with the girl I was sitting with. What do people do / say to get her to leave, so that you can focus your energy on someone else?
But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.
Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.
Very tough question, but most likely you were right. In the end, you have to judge if their is any real chemistry. I have insisted on taking gorgeous girls that were acting reluctant in the past and found they were a disaster. So sometimes you have to take notice of a feeling that she doesn't really want to, or there is just no connection.
I have also taken girls with apparently okay Chemistry and touching levels that were crappy on the bed.
Please bear in mind that some girls are incredibly shy, and do not know how to act like they want you in public. She could have been a newbie and not used to it. Most girls are taking on a somewhat submissive role anyway, it and it certainly costs them customers. Girls that act raunchy and like want to be fucked, get more customers, even if those girls are ugly. Men seem to just like a girl that comes on to them, even if it's very fake. I am not so susceptible to that type of girl.
Please bear in mind that a very shy girl in public, can become a tiger on the bed, especially after a couple of tequilas to loosen up her control.
Hopefully you can learn to assess if chemistry is missing and the girl is really stand offish or the girl is too shy too cuddle up a bit. I would have thought the later should be rare in the modern day. Even if a girl sits on my lap to get drinks from me, it is no evidence of a real chemistry. I don't really recall much girls that don't want to touch me at all. I even get big hugs from the waitress who clearly isn't going to fuck me, but just because we are good to each other. I have been touched in the crotch area by both girls and some waitresses ( I suppose usually after a few drinks to make them frisky).
I suppose you can ask her what she feels about you. At least can see if she suggests to barfine her. If she does not suggest it, that is not a good sign, for me.
However, look there are always special reasons. The girl could be having her period, She may be intending to be at a friends birthday celebration in 1 hour from now. Her pussy may be out of action. Her regular customer may be due at the bar already but is late in arriving.
Talk to the girl. Don't be left guessing too much. If her personality and overall impression is not convincing, I have no problem to call some other girl over for a drink as well. In the end I might not BF either of them. If the first girl does not gel with me, I don't necessarily feel the need to leave and go to another bar. I just continue my hunting. Meeting a girl has no ties. Some guys talk about loss of face, but I think this is ridiculous. There is never any guarantee that any two people just meeting for the first time will feel the right level of chemistry and trust.
In my opinion, by all means entertain more than one girl, and see which one has the best feel or connection.
Wolvenvacht
02-22-16, 08:30
One day she asks if her cousin can come to the pool and I say ok, and sure enough when the cousin arrives, she introduces me as her novio!! I'm thinking to myself, wow! How did that happen?
What did you expect? That she would have introduced you to her cousin as a guy she hardly knows but that fucks her for money?
Very tough question..... In my opinion, by all means entertain more than one girl, and see which one has the best feel or connection.Thank you for that in-depth discussion. It's good know of other people's thoughts. I think there's something to be said for experience. I've found I'd rather be with a girl who's interested and gives good service vs gorgeous aloof girls who just want it over with (the word 'optifuck' from the German subforum comes to mind).
I finally booked my ticket and have cancellable reservations at VT6 and Intimate Hotel, so I need to say yea and nay to one of each, and I should be there in two weeks. Probably have a nasty flight. Going the wrong way around with a long layover. I was hoping the jet lag will mean I can be up easily at night and sleep during the day, which should work out fine.
Anyway, hopefully it will be a good week-long break. I'm booked for 7 nights, so I get some time to practice and enjoy.
I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.
..'You never know until after you are in bed with them. I have had a few who exhibited no physical touching who turned out to give a near-GFE. Then I have had ones who were funny, attentive, all touchy, kissy and feely who turned out to be star fish. So, some girls are shy in public but will come out of their shell in your room. Others have learned they can get more business if they come on strong, showing how they really feel about you only after the deal is done back in your room.
You simply cannot know in advance.
If you like the looks of the girl and think you can get off even if she just lies there, then if you are happy with the price, go ahead and take her home. You may be pleasantly surprised. But if you think you will feel disappointed if you don't get a GFE from her, then it would be best to move on. You only have your gut to go by, and trying to second guess your decision now is pointless.
You never know until after you are in bed with them. I have had a few who exhibited no physical touching who turned out to give a near-GFE. Then I have had ones who were funny, attentive, all touchy, kissy and feely who turned out to be star fish. So, some girls are shy in public but will come out of their shell in your room. Others have learned they can get more business if they come on strong, showing how they really feel about you only after the deal is done back in your room.
You simply cannot know in advance.
If you like the looks of the girl and think you can get off even if she just lies there, then if you are happy with the price, go ahead and take her home. You may be pleasantly surprised. But if you think you will feel disappointed if you don't get a GFE from her, then it would be best to move on. You only have your gut to go by, and trying to second guess your decision now is pointless.Thank you, FL Hawk for your insight. I've been reading your posts since you first went to Phuket / Pattaya and they have provided me with a lot of useful knowledge. I'm not so much second-guessing myself now since that was months ago. I'm just wondering what I want to do (differently?) in 2 weeks when I'll be there. I think I've received some good feedback from both sides. Much appreciated!
Was just astonished to read the average length of a Vagina from opening to end is little more than 4 inches. Uterus can be detected only 3 inches in sometimes less.
Distance from front of pussy to vagina opening is not very far. Maybe 2 to 3 cm. Max. Girls can vary greatly in vagina width as well. It is very fortunate that vagina can stretch for both child birth and sex. However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.
Was just astonished to read the average length of a Vagina from opening to end is little more than 4 inches. Uterus can be detected only 3 inches in sometimes less.
Distance from front of pussy to vagina opening is not very far. Maybe 2 to 3 cm. Max. Girls can vary greatly in vagina width as well. It is very fortunate that vagina can stretch for both child birth and sex. However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.My main issue with Thai gals is so few do kegels and therefore have no control over their pc muscles. And after childbirth they get very loose.
Mr Enternational
02-25-16, 19:29
My main issue with Thai gals is so few do kegels and therefore have no control over their pc muscles. And after childbirth they get very loose.Kegels? Where is this nation where women doing kegels is a normal everyday thing?
Kegels? Where is this nation where women doing kegels is a normal everyday thing?The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.
The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.So why leave the USA if your women are so amazing? I have met only a few girls with really good pussy muscle control, worldwide, one or two being Thai. I have never fucked a USA girl, but certainly done a few South Americans, e. g. Brazil. Latinos seem to be best kissers on the planet. Whoops I have done a Puerto Rican girl with exceptional DFK and great fuck. Is that part of the US? Only a territory I see. Not a state. She wasn't quite as skinny as I like and quite tall, so way bigger than a Thai girl.
My Thai GF does have a certain amount of pussy squeeze, but I don't think it is intentional or controlled, just happens due to her getting worked up and pussy muscles convulsing. I guess it feels like the pussy tries to push the dick out sometimes, by squeezing. She goes a bit wild like that Alien girl did in the movie Species, sometimes wants to bite or claw, but fortunately is not deadly.
So why leave the USA if your women are so amazing? I have met only a few girls with really good pussy muscle control, worldwide, one or two being Thai. I have never fucked a USA girl, but certainly done a few South Americans, e. g. Brazil. Latinos seem to be best kissers on the planet. Whoops I have done a Puerto Rican girl with exceptional DFK and great fuck. Is that part of the US? Only a territory I see. Not a state. She wasn't quite as skinny as I like and quite tall, so way bigger than a Thai girl.
My Thai GF does have a certain amount of pussy squeeze, but I don't think it is intentional or controlled, just happens due to her getting worked up and pussy muscles convulsing. I guess it feels like the pussy tries to push the dick out sometimes, by squeezing. She goes a bit wild like that Alien girl did in the movie Species, sometimes wants to bite or claw, but fortunately is not deadly.Why? Women in the US are huge. And you cannot have the volume you can in Asia. Puerto Rico is a territory.
Mr Enternational
02-26-16, 09:57
Why? Women in the US are huge. And you cannot have the volume you can in Asia. Puerto Rico is a territory.I have never bought that arguement. All women in the USA are not huge and there are huge women in Thailand as well. It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.
I have never bought that arguement. All women in the USA are not huge and there are huge women in Thailand as well. It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.I never dated a huge woman in the states. In fact, all my long terms were gym rats along with me. The obesity levels there are frightening. Just check the statistics. 35% of Americans over 20 are obese and 69% are overweight. What passes for "sexy" and "curvy" these days, I consider fat.
It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.I agree. Someone will surely be butthurt over your comment. LOL. There are plenty of good looking women in every country, including the US. I had no problems meeting attractive women last time I was there. They weren't fat or old either.
Some guys come to Thailand because they are genuinely more attracted to Asian women but the vast majority come because of price and convience. If you can't get a woman at home then you can remedy that here with a small amount of money. If you can get women at home, then you can get even more here with minimal effort. Neither of those scenarios implicitly means that ones home country has better / worse looking women.
I never dated a huge woman in the states. In fact, all my long terms were gym rats along with me. The obesity levels there are frightening. Just check the statistics. 35% of Americans over 20 are obese and 69% are overweight. What passes for "sexy" and "curvy" these days, I consider fat.Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001
Eszpresszo
02-26-16, 15:15
The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.You probably weren't with a gal in the US. I've slept with at least 60 women here, (excluding P4 P), and never met a women who admitted to do doing Kegel exercises or had any interest in that. The only woman I've met who any espoused doing Kegel exercises was a wannabe artist student who was halfway into porn and halfway into feministic crap. She would say women are just lazy bitches who didn't do their Kegel exercises like they should. You can imagine how messed up she was, but they didn't keep her from milking a well-off friend of mine for a while. That was decades ago, and I hadn't heard any woman mention this since then. So, this stuff about control over her snatch is pure fantasy.
You probably weren't with a gal in the US. I've slept with at least 60 women here, (excluding P4 P), and never met a women who admitted to do doing Kegel exercises or had any interest in that. The only woman I've met who any espoused doing Kegel exercises was a wannabe artist student who was halfway into porn and halfway into feministic crap. She would say women are just lazy bitches who didn't do their Kegel exercises like they should. You can imagine how messed up she was, but they didn't keep her from milking a well-off friend of mine for a while. That was decades ago, and I hadn't heard any woman mention this since then. So, this stuff about control over her snatch is pure fantasy.I from the US. All my girlfriends did kegels and all their friends did them. It was a matter of pride to be able to snap that snatch at least with gals from my generation (I'm 50) So no, it's not "pure fantasy. ".
Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001I would consider the gal in the pic to be a bit on the heavy side and about at the end of my scale of doable. She has some pretty big thighs. On the other hand I don't like bone racks either. Personally I prefer gals who are well proportioned leaning to the thinner side, fit, and toned. Do "Thai girls" Google image search. Gals in the first few lines are just about perfect.
-snip-However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.I like to do anal sometimes and it is totally independent of the size or looseness / tightness of a girls vagina. In fact, the very small and tight Thai ladies' asses are particularly challenging. I think it has to do with the sexual taboo.
I like to do anal sometimes and it is totally independent of the size or looseness / tightness of a girls vagina. In fact, the very small and tight Thai ladies' asses are particularly challenging. I think it has to do with the sexual taboo.Probably has more to do with the pain!
Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001Your pictured girl does not look like an Australian. She has big thighs but can get away with that since everything else looks great. Very difficult to find girls like that in Australia. Perhaps the young do look better than ones my age.
Mr Enternational
02-28-16, 07:19
What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.
What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.Never pass up an opportunity to squeeze the Farang for a free meal for the friend.
What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.Sure sometimes we have to accept that she likes to chat with the gay guy more than with us. No reason at all for you to join them. Some gay guys are excellent talkers, in fact some of them cannot stop talking a lot of shit. My GF knows both gay guys and LBs.
I have found holidays with GF where additional adult people tagged along turned into disasters. Visit to a dance / beer hall where the entertainment is primary, can be okay (you can't talk to anyone in any case. Music too loud).
I reckon if your girl wants to be with some other person, best you let her go and you do something else.
Whether you are truly open minded or not, is probably quite irrelevant. However a group of three is not a "date" by western definition. It is a casual meet up.
One funny thing. One Thai girl who is a friend of my GF and her brother, is mad on a Thai man that is part of a Farang and Thai gay couple. I presume she sleeps with him too. So the supposedly gay Thai man is not completely gay. He may only be nominally gay for economic reasons (as the Farang is rich and supports him). I guess he is actually bi-sexual. Anything is possible in Thailand. Some supposedly lesbian Thai girls are known to enjoy fucking guys as well. One Thai bargirl said her Tomboy girlfriend was unaware she secretly enjoyed fucking guys as well, and did not know girl worked in the bar sometimes. Eventually she ran away with one of the male bar staff (who was already married). Scandal. LOL Plenty of Thais can happily fuck anything.
Wolvenvacht
02-28-16, 09:22
Never pass up an opportunity to squeeze the Farang for a free meal for the friend.But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.
I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.
In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.
Pipe Layer99
02-28-16, 11:59
What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.
That's messed up. Her loss!
I had a wechat girl coming to see me in Pattaya from 40 minutes away. We had sent messages over a few days. Turns out she works in a small town nearby but comes every now and then to visit (yeah right. That means she is a part-time hooker). I told her when she comes to Pattaya again, we can go out for a few drinks. A few days later, she clams she was coming to visit her sister who sells kebobs and that I can meet her when she arrives. OK. We can meet there and then we will go to a bar for to drink so we can get to know each other better. I made it clear that we will only meet there and then I will take her to a bar. She agreed. Then she starts asking me to go there and wait for her to arrive. I'm thinking no thanks. I don't need to stand there while she talks to her sister and. I said I need a shower and shave and I will come after soon after you arrive. She asks Why? I told her, you can arrive first and talk to her sister for 10 minutes or so. Then when I show up, I can say Hello, and we can leave. She arrives and I tell her ok I am on the way, 10 minutes. I get there and say Hello, to everyone. The sister and her husband seem very nice. They each have a drink open. The man offers me a drink but its a white wine cooler. I tell him thanks but I will wait because we are going to leave and go drink beer at a bar. This also reminds the girl that we are leaving soon. I told him I just came to pick up the girl. Now he wants to be nice and offers to go get me a beer. I said it was ok but WE are leaving soon, so I can wait. No problem. Now the girl wants to go to the store to get drinks. I said ok we can have 1 and then we will go to the bar. Keep in mind, the sister and husband selling kebobs have multiple bottles of wine drinks in a cooler right there already. So I am going to the store with this chick to get 1 beer for me and 1 drink for her. I grab a beer and she grabs a wine drink. Then she grabs 2 more wine drinks. I'm thinking ok she wants 2 more for the sister and husband. No sweat its only 35 or 40 baht each. Plus the husband offered me a drink earlier. Then she says wait and she goes to grab 2 more beers. I ask, what is all that for we are only staying for 1 drink and then you and me are leaving. She says it for the security guy outside and for a motorbike taxi guy near the kebob stand. Not on my dime. I tell her, I can only buy a drink for us, not everyone. We get to the counter, I separate the drinks so I can only pay for what I want excluding the 2 other guys I have note even seen. This dumb ass chick wanted me to pay for 6 drinks. I told her no. I said we can have 1 drink here and then we are leaving. I'm not paying for some guys drinks. You can buy the other guys drinks if you want. She says she doesn't have any money on her and has to walk right outside to her car to get some baht. She comes back and in a pissy way pays for everything. Fine by me. Walk to the stand and she goes to give away the 2 beers then returns and adds the other drinks to what's already available. Now she starts to tell me IF I want to be with her I have to care for her friends. I reminded her that I came to meet HER and that I need to know you first. And we agreed to go drink at a bar. I said I agreed to come pick you up so we can go to a bar (not sit here outside for half an hour). She is under the impression taht we are going sit there at a hot ass kebob stand and keep her sister company. And she has the nerve to act like I should buy drinks for everyone that she wants. I smashed all of that crap. I told her flat out no. I asked her just to be clear, you think I should buy those other Thai guys beers? She said yes, they are her friends. Like I give a shit. I told her I'm on vacation (over 6 months already but she doesn't need to now that). I came to meet you and take YOU to a bar. This dumb ass thought I was going sit outside in the heat, right near a hot ass kebob stand, AND what's worse, she mistakenly thought it was ok to try to spend my money on HER so-called friends. She acted like she couldn't understand. But I made she sure she knew my point before I go up and left her sitting there. I said good bye to the other 2. The sister asked what's wrong, where you go? I told her that her sister wants me to buy drinks for everyone and those other 2 Thai guys also. I said that's not ok. She understood right away and I can tell by the look on her face that she agreed with me. We said goodbye and I left. That was a complete waste of 15 minutes.
But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.
I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.
In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.
HotShaneHot
02-28-16, 12:14
What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.
That's messed up. Her loss!
I had a wechat girl coming to see me in Pattaya from 40 minutes away. We had sent messages over a few days. Turns out she works in a small town nearby but comes every now and then to visit (yeah right. That means she is a part-time hooker). I told her when she comes to Pattaya again, we can go out for a few drinks. A few days later, she clams she was coming to visit her sister who sells kebobs and that I can meet her when she arrives. OK. We can meet there and then we will go to a bar for to drink so we can get to know each other better. I made it clear that we will only meet there and then I will take her to a bar. She agreed. Then she starts asking me to go there and wait for her to arrive. I'm thinking no thanks. I don't need to stand there while she talks to her sister and. I said I need a shower and shave and I will come after soon after you arrive. She asks Why? I told her, you can arrive first and talk to her sister for 10 minutes or so. Then when I show up, I can say Hello, and we can leave. She arrives and I tell her ok I am on the way, 10 minutes. I get there and say Hello, to everyone. The sister and her husband seem very nice. They each have a drink open. The man offers me a drink but its a white wine cooler. I tell him thanks but I will wait because we are going to leave and go drink beer at a bar. This also reminds the girl that we are leaving soon. I told him I just came to pick up the girl. Now he wants to be nice and offers to go get me a beer. I said it was ok but WE are leaving soon, so I can wait. No problem. Now the girl wants to go to the store to get drinks. I said ok we can have 1 and then we will go to the bar. Keep in mind, the sister and husband selling kebobs have multiple bottles of wine drinks in a cooler right there already. So I am going to the store with this chick to get 1 beer for me and 1 drink for her. I grab a beer and she grabs a wine drink. Then she grabs 2 more wine drinks...Yes that's Thai girls 100%.
I am not in to that shit too.
And as for the member that was pay 4,000 Bart long time.
I only been pay 4,000 Bart for 2 days and 2 night's and 14 root's later + 30 photos.
I am going to Pattaya next week hope I can still get for 1,000/1,500?
Pipe Layer99
02-28-16, 12:30
I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.You and I are here for an extended period of time. So we have a different perspective than most. However, for me, I am always on the look out for 'regular girls' when I am out and about. I have the time to meet them and go out for a drink. Nothing wrong with talking to a lady over a drink. I met girls all over the place with some good success. Of course there were a lot who gave numbers and contact info that never panned out too. But a good number worked out quite nice.
You and I are here for an extended period of time. So we have a different perspective than most. However, for me, I am always on the look out for 'regular girls' when I am out and about. I have the time to meet them and go out for a drink. Nothing wrong with talking to a lady over a drink. I met girls all over the place with some good success. Of course there were a lot who gave numbers and contact info that never panned out too. But a good number worked out quite nice.If I did not have a GF then I might be a bit more amenable.
Blanquiceleste
02-28-16, 13:22
But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.
I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.
In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.I second this opinion. The exact same incident has happened with me and I allowed the girl to bring along her gay friend. We had a couple of drinks and some finger foods. The gay friend turned out to be a Muay Thai masseur (imagine the job satisfaction he gets) and was quite entertaining in his own way. But after the meal he spoke to my girl and told her to have a real good time. Turned out to be one the truly epic chicks I bedded in Thailand.
Wolvenvacht
02-28-16, 15:20
I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.To each his own. I like both to date and get some P4 P fun too. Fortunately my present GF is quite cool with that. When she's not wth me, I'm free and now and then asks what I have been doing when she's not around. She even went with me to Soi Cowboy to see the clubs where I get my agogo girls. Suzi Wong got her mark of approval, but Baccara did not appeal to her.
Wolvenvacht
02-28-16, 15:46
What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.
That's messed up. Her loss!
(snip)
You gave her very mixed up signals. No wonder she got upset. You agreed to meet her at her sister's kebab stand. For her that included automatically spending some time there with you. No doubt she was proud to show her new farang BF to her family.
And then she gave you the opportunity to spend some little money on drinks and gain serious stature in her environment. Her sister's husband did the same: offer you, a total stranger, some drinks and some "quality time". Any Thai would have gracefully accepted that and improved the relationship. Your reaction was very "Western": why should I spend money on total strangers? Most Thai would jump at the opportunity to show their largesse.
Of course your mind was on a different track. It is not always easy to reconcile different cultural expectations. Although you made it quite clear what you wanted to do, sometimes through no fault of our own the message does not register.
Wolvenvacht
02-28-16, 17:15
Guys,
Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?
And please, don't tell me that it is a bad idea. I know that. A friend asked me some info and I could not convince him of the unsoundness of his ideas, so perhaps if he asks a lawyer he might get back his senses.
Wolvenvacht.
Mr Enternational
02-28-16, 18:11
Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.
By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here.Yeah, I watched this program on TV a few times where couples who are in the home buying market are presented with three choices, and then by the end of the 30 minute show they pick one. Twice, homes in Thailand were featured, and I don't mean condos either. I was thinking like WTF? Foreigners can't own an estate like that! I knew better, and then I was just reading something the other day that pointed out how that show was fake on many counts (including the fact that the couples' decision was always made before their actual show aired and they were reenacting what happened). I also noticed that the homes in Thailand that were presented were never the ones chosen. Yeah. I wonder why? Maybe because it's a bullshit fake show where the Thai homes presented could never be purchased by the couples in the first place! We know that, but how many other eyeballs viewing the show do? They have no clue. I guess the show's producers figure what the audience doesn't know won't hurt it!
Wolvenvacht
02-28-16, 18:52
By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.I know, Mr. E. !
But someone has been putting ideas in his head that will need some professional advice to put right again. I guess we can all imagine where these ideas are originating from.
W.
Naked Gunz
02-28-16, 22:15
By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.I came within a signature of spending 5 million on a Pratumnak Hill condo. Glad I didn't now. The place is 1 million cheaper now since the $ got so strong. I wonder what will happen in the country when the king pass away?
I know, Mr. E. !
But someone has been putting ideas in his head that will need some professional advice to put right again. I guess we can all imagine where these ideas are originating from.
W.Been here 16 years and the longer I am here the happier I am that I never bought a condo. Most condos have stagnated or lost value. What has appreciated during my tenure here is agricultural land and of course foreigners are shut out of that market. Buying ag land anywhere is a pretty safe investment.
Been here 16 years and the longer I am here the happier I am that I never bought a condo. Most condos have stagnated or lost value. What has appreciated during my tenure here is agricultural land and of course foreigners are shut out of that market. Buying ag land anywhere is a pretty safe investment.In addition to everything else, there is just too much political uncertainty in Thailand for a foreigner to invest in a condo. Unless, of course, someone is stinking rich and doesn't really care if he loses the money but is more interested in just having a place to stay; in other words isn't really investing for a return on capital.
Member #4591
02-29-16, 04:12
In addition to everything else, there is just too much political uncertainty in Thailand for a foreigner to invest in a condo. Unless, of course, someone is stinking rich and doesn't really care if he loses the money but is more interested in just having a place to stay; in other words isn't really investing for a return on capital.I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.
Member #4591
02-29-16, 04:15
Guys,
Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?
And please, don't tell me that it is a bad idea. I know that. A friend asked me some info and I could not convince him of the unsoundness of his ideas, so perhaps if he asks a lawyer he might get back his senses.
Wolvenvacht.I'll PM you the info, but the service is not free.
I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.My post made no comparisons to Thailand "before. " It simply stated I would not buy real estate there owing to political uncertainty about the future. Maybe you are correct the military dictatorship will continue in its present form ad infinitum and maybe the King will never die (another possible triggering event for political unrest). But I don't know many who would bet much on either proposition.
LittleBigMan
02-29-16, 07:27
When it comes to lawyer to each his own like everything else here? In the past I've done a lot of interviews with Lawyers even went through a whole list provided by the USA Embassy. Not sure if the list has changed but the one listed years ago they barely could speak any English. I asked the Embassy why provide me with a list if they couldn't even speak to me? That being said make sure they can speak and understand you as if you are speaking to any other English speaking Farang. From personal experience the one's in Pattaya are far and few but I do have one. I also have one in Bangkok if the one's BKKDog does not work out. Here is my opinion around buying a home in Thailand, my experience is only in Pattaya. I have purchase 1 rai land and house and another 1 rai and had a apartment built on it from ground zero. My personal opinion is do not buy anything here unless you can walk away without being Bankrupty, if you got to sell it to continue living here or to go home then Don't! If it was a personal choice and just me I would buy a Condo, but Real Estate 101, at home or here is to keep the project size to minimum 12-20 units, and make sure to read the CC&are which is the Condition / Rules, not sure what they call it here? Foremost you need to review the financial records and what is in the reserves. If your friend is looking for a Investment outside of Bangkok, unless he has money to burn (spare change) forget it! I know a number of Expats who own Condo's here and they seem happy with their purchase, some feel it is better than paying rent, but if you think you are buying at 1 million and selling for 2-3 million I say wake up and smell the coffee.
LittleBigMan
02-29-16, 07:40
As for the political unrest here, In my opinion there isn't any no matter who is in charge. The only reason puppet general is in charge is because the color parties will never stop fighting to be in charge. What they are fighting for is the corruption money they are missing out on not being in charge. The reason the election is constantly pushed back is because the man is still alive or they got a body double? The puppet (who happens to be his best friend) was put in charge was for the reason when the time comes all hell will not break loose? But after two years people are sick of him especially after it was reported he now has 1 billion in USA Dollar stashed away oversea? He is just a former soldier surrounded by all the K favorite advisers. Regardless of all this stuff aside I have no problem or second thoughts about buying a Condo in Pattaya or Bangkok which when the time comes is where all the fighting will happen. I wouldn't let a few bullets flying around deter me at all, it just makes life more exciting!
I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.I am sorry but Thailand will never be stable, as long as the "Have" are not willing to share the wealth with the "have not". And, the military are as corrupt as the Thaksin crew, or any other Thai politician for that matter.
Wolvenvacht
02-29-16, 07:55
I'll PM you the info, but the service is not free.I'm sure the service will be cheaper than making a foolish investment.
LittleBigMan
02-29-16, 08:01
I'm sure the service will be cheaper than making a foolish investment.For starters all your friend has to do is Google it or go to ThaiVisa. They have a section (forum) for it, also they section for legal Advice from a Thai Lawyer, but personally I would not use this lawyer he is a fucking crook!
Banana Boi
02-29-16, 11:03
go to ThaiVisa. All he has to do is read the huge thread on ThaiVisa on whether or not to buy a place in Pattaya (same would apply for BKK). If that doesn't convince him no crooked lawyer will.
LittleBigMan
02-29-16, 13:36
All he has to do is read the huge thread on ThaiVisa on whether or not to buy a place in Pattaya (same would apply for BKK). If that doesn't convince him no crooked lawyer will.What I have learned at my age and living here there are lots of people who can read but do not comprehend what is being said. People ask questions but it seem they already have their minds made up before and after they hear the answer it is like they never read or heard it? You think when people get burn they learn from their mistake but it isn't always the case. They just start off again where they left off?
Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.
Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.
Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.
Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.
I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.It's helpful to read some of Christopher G Moore's non-fiction writings on Thai culture and why it will probably continue to be "unstable" (a western descriptor) for a long time yet.
Read "The Cultural Detective" as a start. Amazon has a non-fiction "bundle" that includes this plus "Faking it in Bkk".
I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL!
I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.Very well said. I have some fond memories of PTY, but, as you said, the human detritus has become far worse and I now avoid the place.
This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL!Hardly. Phuket has the killer beaches and water and has been an international vacation destination for many years. It has its share of sleaze but the really hard-core dregs can't afford to live there, so Pattaya is where they tend to call home.
LittleBigMan
03-02-16, 05:58
I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?
Pipe Layer99
03-02-16, 10:47
You gave her very mixed up signals. No wonder she got upset. You agreed to meet her at her sister's kebab stand. For her that included automatically spending some time there with you.
And then she gave you the opportunity to spend some little money on drinks and gain serious stature in her environment. Her sister's husband did the same: offer you, a total stranger, some drinks and some "quality time". Any Thai would have gracefully accepted that and improved the relationship. Your reaction was very "Western": why should I spend money on total strangers? Most Thai would jump at the opportunity to show their largesse.
Of course your mind was on a different track. It is not always easy to reconcile different cultural expectations. Although you made it quite clear what you wanted to do, sometimes through no fault of our own the message does not register.Not at all. I made it VERY clear that we will go to a bar to drink together. I specifically told her I can come there with my bike, pick her up and take her to a bar. She wanted to go there to see / talk to her sister also. I told her she can arrive first to talk and I will come after. I told her again when I was on my way that when I get there we will leave. There was zero mistake about it.
Having 1 drink would have been fine as well as me buying a drink for her sister and the husband. Heck that's only 105 baht for 3 drinks.
You missed the big picture. The messed up part was not about a drink for her sister and husband. IT was her trying to spend my money for two other Thai guys hanging out nearby. Fuck that. She had a different agenda and WASN'T listening. So she got left there. End of story.
I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.Everybody has their own idea of the perfect place to live. I mentioned to my buddy that Pattaya is probably the best area to find girls new to the game, low on money and willing to take less. He felt Bangkok fit that bill better with the major colleges in town, then again he's in his low 30's and speaks Thai and never pays a penny for Thai pussy. Another buddy of mine took the ferry from Pattaya to one of the islands nearby, he said that from the ferry you could see a haze of pollution hanging over Pattaya. In Bangkok I was standing on the bts platform and noticed that the smog from the pollution blocked out the view after a dozen blocks. Have to imagine the pollution levels in Pattaya are lower than in Bangkok.
Then there's the price of living in each city to consider. Phuket is more on the expensive side im told but I saw a youtube video where a guy just got a brand new condo (appartment) for 7000 baht per month. My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.
Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?Nope. I am not NicFrenchy.
This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL!Have not been to Phuket since '99. Not really a beach guy. Only frequented Pattaya for the gals back in the day. One of my least favorite things about LOS is the weather. I hate heat, love it cold and prefer clouds to sun. My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. Sadly that place does not exist, so I am here. Beats back home any day.
Mr Enternational
03-02-16, 17:23
My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.I live on the soi next to Bliss Lounge in Pattaya. My place is just a regular room. No kitchen or anything. We do have a security guy from 5pm to 5am, free internet and cable, a security door that opens by card key, and cameras throughout the building that we can view on our TV. I am a simple guy and do not require anything elaborate since I am only here part time.
Other friends have much nicer places with kitchens and gyms, and pools and what not and pay anywhere from 10,000 baht to a friend who has a 16th floor 1 bedroom place in Jomtien overlooking the water for 35,000 baht.
I say if the baht hits 40 to 1USD then I will just go ahead and buy a place with a limit of 2 million baht. I am only 43 and make enough where I could have $50,000 paid off in a couple of years. And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. So if I was here for 20 more years then it may work out.
On the other hand I may lose if I buy into a disaster. As of now I can move whenever I want or if push comes to shove I can abandon ship and leave behind a 10,000 baht TV that I bought 6 years ago, an 18,000 baht motorbike that I bought at the auction 6 years ago, a bar full of liquor that I have built up, and a closet full of clothes that I bought at Goodwill over the years.
My friends who are in their 60's say that at their age it would be stupid to buy anything so they prefer renting.
Crocodilexp
03-02-16, 17:43
My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.
If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.
Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.
If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.
Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.Not sure but I guess the ones in this vid probably are.
https://youtu.be/XgKH54UXHXk
Banana Boi
03-02-16, 18:40
I am paying $1900/year in rent now. Wow that is cheap! I assume the pic you attached are photos of you apartment building? Not bad at all for that price.
Mr Enternational
03-02-16, 19:11
And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. Exchange rate changed. Looks like 54,000 baht/year is now US $1518.
One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?
The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away.
Promoting old fashion stereotypes about working ladies is terrible for this hobby. It's terrible for the guys in it today and it's especially bad for the guys who will want to rent some pussy in 20 years from now. When we promote negative old fashion put downs we are shitting where we eat. We are not leaving the pristine camp ground the way we found it for those who follow. For me this is inexcusable and I hope some minds can be changed here about our hobby.
If you're a monger and you treat people w / respect you are good for the natural world. Your money is being distributed to those less fortunate, to those who want to work and make good money, to people who are no better or worse than any other person on this earth. This is the truth.
This is really great info.
Yes, it's an integral part of society, at least "Thai-style" prostitution. However, the "Farang-style," I have long maintained, is an anachronism left over from the Vietnam war. Yes, it's a small part overall, but it's a very, very visible part. And, IMHO, an easy target.
There is no one thing that will kill off the Farang-style P4 P, but the writing's on the wall. Low unemployment, rising wages, bad attitudes, a change in the tourist demographic, all have been repeatedly discussed. Rising land values are making a huge dent in the viability of said venues. In the West, a place like Soi Cowboy would have been zoned (or eminent domain-ed) out of existence long ago.
But let's not overlook the religious aspect, especially concerning totalitarian regimes. Such regimes are extremely Puritanical. Look all over SEA for examples. A while back I showed the GF a video some clown had shot while wandering around lower Suk..This attitude helps no one. It's too bad so many share it.
I have never liked seeing some doddering fat fool dragging an obvious prostitute around town, acting proud. At home the guy wouldn't be caught dead taking some hooker with a 6th grade education around town and introducing her to his friends and business acquaintances. Neither would any respectable Thai.Do we know who this fool is or whether he lives there or not? He could be a wonderful man. He could be us in 20,30, or 40 years. The above sentiment comes straight of of the PC playbook. We need to let it go.
No, as long as there are men and women there will be prostitution. But I will be very surprised if the scene as it is today is around in 5 years. And, frankly, I wouldn't miss it. I prefer doing P4 P the way locals do it, regardless of the country. I would like to know the difference between Farang and local style P4P. This sounds interesting.
I do appreciate your insight but felt compelled to stick up for the fool.
Mr Enternational
03-09-16, 06:53
For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?
One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?
The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away..I'll preface my remarks by stating that I speak in generalities and that nothing should be construed as anything personal.
First, I'll point out that it's the Thai's sandbox, not ours. They made their society and their rules for comportment, not us. Personally, I have had a belly full of seeing tourists from the West running around various and sundry "backward" countries and telling them how they should structure their society. Euro-babes run around beaches with their tits flopping around, locals get mortally offended and somehow it's the locals who are wrong because they don't agree with their "enlightened" sisters from "better, more socially advanced" countries. By the same token, Thais consider it extremely bad form to drag around a very low class (their words, not mine) hooker in public. This sort of behavior, among other things, contributes to the very low opinion of farang that many Thai now share. We can preach until we're blue about equality, economic opportunity, prejudices, etc. , et. , to the locals but that just serves to reinforce the notion that Westerners are arrogant and chock-full of hubris.
When I travel I try to keep foremost in my mind that I am a guest of that country. I try, within reason, to avoid behavior that is generally offensive to the locals and to never do something that I wouldn't do at home. I wish more tourists did the same, and I really, really wish more visitors to the USA did the same. So, for that reason I don't care where the "old fool" came from or whether he's a nice guy. His behavior ranges from confusing to offensive to locals. There is no need for it. The Thais tend to ignore whatever happens behind closed doors, but to rub their nose in it is wrong, IMHO. I am the most un-PC guy I know. Political Correctness is another word for "Thought Control. " If you can't say the word, eventually you'll stop thinking it. Acting like a guest, being polite, respecting a different culture, is simply good manners, not political correctness. Such behavior redounds to the benefit of all farang. The "it's my vacation, my money, I'll act however I please" attitude is simply arrogant adolescence, too often displayed by people far removed from their adolescence. And I've been as guilty as anybody.
Second, what I meant by local-style P4 P is that it's all much more discreet. The in-your-face Go-go bar is a 100% American concept (or at least 100% Western). Thais like massage parlors, karaoke bars, that sort of thing. The reason is that the men can go hang out with hookers, but "polite society" won't see them carousing with them. A Thai guy may go to a "hostess bar" and take a girl "upstairs," but he'll never drag her all over town. To do so would invite serious loss of face, serious opprobrium from his superiors, maybe worse. Yes, that seems silly to visiting farang, but it's not our sandbox. As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel. The main barrier for farang in Thailand is the language barrier. Myanmar is a good place for this.
Wolvenvacht
03-10-16, 08:18
As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel.Absolutely!
Whenever I take a girl out of an agogo club, she will dress in her "street clothes", mostly t-shirt and jeans. Then we walk to my hotel, not holding hands or hugging in public. She walks besides me or slightly behind me. Just two people walking in the same direction. I couldn't care less whether I'm seen with her or not or whether anyone would guess I've just hired her for the night or not or what we will do once the door of my room closes behind us. I'm not part of Thai society so I'm not bothered at all. But the girl is part of Thai society and she will be subject to its rules. It is only a respectful thing to do, not to make her uneasy.
Yes, I paid her, but does that give me the right to embarass her in public? I say it doesn't.
Anybody been here: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/travel/asia-best-restaurant-gaggan/? I didn't know about this place when I was in Thailand. Had I then I very well may have tried it out.
Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.
Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.Thanks for the heads up!
Pipe Layer99
03-12-16, 13:20
For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?That's messed up. That fuckin' asshole. As if he doesn't fuck around too.
But was the girl still drunk in the afternoon? I ask because she said you were a handsome man. LOL.
Banana Boi
03-16-16, 16:10
I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?
BigRig2007
03-16-16, 16:54
I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?I think that's their kid names. I asked one, she said it was her kid. Who knows though. Prison tat style.
Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.
Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.
Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.
https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6k
LittleBigMan
03-17-16, 12:05
Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.
https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6kAnd on the other side of the scope. An average Joe like us on ISG, can only watch the video!
Crocodilexp
03-18-16, 05:08
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time?For mongering, Pattaya is best. For a combination of mongering and other activities, Bangkok. As for must sees, check out the PSE oilies (Tulip / Snow White / Cherry / Sky / Candy) in Bangkok.
I'd advise you to adjust your expectations. The scene is large, but Thai hookers (especially in Pattaya) are not the best looking bunch in the world. However, on average they provide a more pleasant experience (not so much raw sex as GFE), than almost anywhere else. At least, it used to be like that up to a few years ago.
For other questions, read a travel guide. Yes, drink bottled water.
Wolvenvacht
03-18-16, 17:49
Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.If it's your first time in Thailand and you have two weeks to spend, I's suggest to spread that time equally between Bangkok and Pattaya, unless you are only interested in mongering, in which case it should be 100% time in Pattaya.
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.If you want to see both Bangkok and Pattaya, it doesn't matter what city you visit first. In Bangkok you have more "non-mongering" options and I think Bangkok is a more gentle introduction to Thailand than Pattaya.
Walking Street in Pattaya has become less and less interesting for us mongers. I find it overpriced for the quality it offers. I know that some members here find it the ideal place to pick-up non-pro girls from the discos, but if you are a newbie in Pattaya, that is arguably not the best place to start. You will need some "game" and experience to get the most benefit of that scene.
Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.In Pattaya that will be the ubiquitous "baht busses", cheap and relatively fast and easy to use as they run a fixed tour. For really fast, use the motorcycle taxis but prices are to be negotiated and are easily a tenfold of the baht-busses. Forget about taxis they are relatively expensive in Pattaya, unless for a longer distance (far out of town).
In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.
Drink bottled water, that's what the Thai do as well. Or filter the tap water and drop in some water-purification tablets (Yeah, I know, some old Army habits die slowly).
In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.
If it came down to choosing a destination based on public transportation, I'd have to pick Pattaya and the baht bus setup. The BTS is fine for traveling several stops but you'll find yourself walking and walking to reach the bts stations and then having to walk up two flights of stairs (unless your lucky enough to find the token few escalators they built). Then you have to walk another half a mile to get to your destination. So much easier to step out into the street in Pattaya and flag down a baht bus. Other problem with the water taxi's is they usually don't fully stop when they get to the dock, you've got to be agile enough to vault out of the boat. And if you decide to try out the Mrt or the Bts during peak hours you'll be waiting just to board the train.
If it's your first time in Thailand and you have two weeks to spend, I's suggest to spread that time equally between Bangkok and Pattaya, unless you are only interested in mongering, in which case it should be 100% time in Pattaya.
If you want to see both Bangkok and Pattaya, it doesn't matter what city you visit first. In Bangkok you have more "non-mongering" options and I think Bangkok is a more gentle introduction to Thailand than Pattaya.
Walking Street in Pattaya has become less and less interesting for us mongers. I find it overpriced for the quality it offers. I know that some members here find it the ideal place to pick-up non-pro girls from the discos, but if you are a newbie in Pattaya, that is arguably not the best place to start. You will need some "game" and experience to get the most benefit of that scene.
In Pattaya that will be the ubiquitous "baht busses", cheap and relatively fast and easy to use as they run a fixed tour. For really fast, use the motorcycle taxis but prices are to be negotiated and are easily a tenfold of the baht-busses. Forget about taxis they are relatively expensive in Pattaya, unless for a longer distance (far out of town).
In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.
Drink bottled water, that's what the Thai do as well. Or filter the tap water and drop in some water-purification tablets (Yeah, I know, some old Army habits die slowly).I am going to respectfully disagree just a bit with the statement if you are going to Thailand solely for mongering, you should spend 100 percent of your time in Pattaya. I should state up front though it has been years since I visited Pattaya (I visit Bangkok maybe three or four times a year, which says something about my preference) but have kept up on developments there by reading this forum, among others.
A preference for Pattaya for mongering really depends on what you are looking for. It seems Pattaya may have a better go-go and maybe beer bar scene than Bangkok, although the differential may have diminished over years. But some of us prefer PSE oil massage places like Snow White, Mango, Bongkot, Candy's, and Tulip (among a couple of others), or just plain oil massage places (like Addict or Mitu, e.g.) and Bangkok is much better for these sorts of places. Moreover, there is an extensive soapies scene in Bangkok and this barely exists in Pattaya.
Also, if one is used to Brazilian P4P service levels (as it appears the person who initially posed the question about Pattaya vs. Bangkok is), he may be disappointed in the average go-go or beer bar girl's service. On the other hand, the PSE soapies come much closer, and IMHO sometimes exceed, what one would come to expect in Brazil.
So, if one knows he really wants to spend time in go-gos and beer bars, sure Pattaya may be better (although I'm not positive about this these days). But if you want to experience a range of P4P venues, there is a good argument for spending time in Bangkok. I doubt though one could know in advance which type of venue one would prefer.
For a first trip, I would suggest trying both, maybe with an initial plan of splitting your time between the two, but unless you have prepaid hotel reservations that cannot be canceled, you always would have the option of modifying this once there.
Mr Enternational
03-19-16, 01:34
I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.Where did you get the idea that Thais have flat asses and bad teeth? There are 3 dentists on every corner. A chick I was with last week teeth were so perfect that I had to ask her if they were real. Flat asses? What Thailand is this? I prefer Thailand over PI because Thais do not have flat asses and Filipinas do. I also have to question you being a LA veteran but your first post is this one with a bunch of questions along with saying you do not have time to research for a trip you plan on throwing a bunch of money and 2 weeks of your time into. 9 times out of 10 when this happens it is a troll post.
Mr Enternational
03-19-16, 02:06
Also, if one is used to Brazilian P4P service levels (as it appears the person who initially posed the question about Pattaya vs. Bangkok is), he may be disappointed in the average go-go or beer bar girl's service. On the other hand, the PSE soapies come much closer, and IMHO sometimes exceed, what one would come to expect in Brazil.Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.
There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.
I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.
Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.
There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.
I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.Sorry, in editing the post I typed soapy where I meant oil massage. I agree there is no such thing as a PSE soapy, and indeed most of the time service in a soapy is mechanical and far from PSE. Having said that, it is something one should try if for no other reason as to see this type of venue, which can be a bit overwhelming when first visiting.
Unfortunately, the window to edit my earlier post has closed. Hopefully anyone who reads it will also read this correction.
Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.Like you say, I don't think so! I had a soapy in Bangkok at Nataree. Was interesting and fun, but I have no desire to do another one. Now my oily at Snow White was a true PSE, and even included anal, which I found challenging to get in Thailand at least from the go-go girls. Oh, and lest I forget, hardcore Brazil veteran here hahaha!
Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.
There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.
I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.Wish I could have gone to Brazil in the heyday!
Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's £'s sterling. Thanks for any info.
Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.Any where except the airport. Get enought o get to town. 500 baht should leave you a little extra assuming you are in before 6 pm. Otherwise you might need 5000 baht to get you through the night. In town Super rich and the exchange place around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though. Ask at your hotel for where they are located.
SuperMarckus
03-19-16, 21:39
around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though.The rats on Soi 6 are pretty impressive too!
Wolvenvacht
03-19-16, 22:22
Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.Worst is at the airport. You will really get skinned there.
Next are banks. They have a large spread between buy and sell rates.
Your best bet are the independent exchange booths. Watch out for those that are close to banks and actually are part of the bank and use the bank's rates.
Superrich offers very good rates. Not far away from Soi Cowboy on the opposite site of the Asoke crossroad is a small exchange booth that has rates very close to those of Superrich. (see https://goo.gl/maps/jEnxNAANEju "Asoke Money Exchange" on Google maps).
Also, the rate for larger valued notes is better: don't exchange 10 GBP notes, go for the largest available.
Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.
Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.Thais tend to have decent teeth and round-ish asses, although not like most Latinas I know. If you're looking for J-Lo you'll be disappointed.
You must decide your objectives. If it's to have as much sex as possible you'll want to do things one way. If you want to experience the country, the culture (to the extent possible in 2 weeks) and also have some fun on the side, you'll want to do things another way.
If you just want to bang away at night and sleep during the day, go to Pattaya. I guess everybody should see it once, but it's not for everybody and a lot of veterans avoid the place simply due to the hard-core sleaze factor. But, others love it.
If you like beach-y stuff along with some nightlife, but don't like the extra expense of one of the islands, try Hua Hin. Decent beach, decent bar section of town, you'll find somebody to keep you company.
I like Bangkok because there is a shitload of things to do and see. "A show with everything but Yul Brynner" about sums it up. Lots of nice ladies but much more.
So, respond with your objectives and I'm sure somebody can assist you.
As far as transportation, in Bangkok it's the subway and skytrain for most things, taxis for others. But you must try a tuk-tuk. Pattaya is the songthaew (baht bus). Up north it's the samlor. The buses in BKK can be a bit challenging for a noob.
Bottled water is everywhere and cheap. Use it. The locals do.
MichaelSamuel
03-21-16, 01:31
On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.
Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.
Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.
Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.
Any where except the airport. Get enought o get to town. 500 baht should leave you a little extra assuming you are in before 6 pm. Otherwise you might need 5000 baht to get you through the night. In town Super rich and the exchange place around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though. Ask at your hotel for where they are located.Or just withdraw from the ATMs at the Airport. The service fee is going to get you either way but at least you'll have the best exchange rate. And depending on your bank, most will reimbursed you for those fees.
Best option is to use your Credit Card to get cash out (20 K Baht) at the bank. You have to bring your passport for this though.
On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.In my experience, hotels generally only leave a lot of bottled water in the room in localities where the local water is risky to drink. I have always assumed this is the case in Thailand, including Bangkok, where the hotels (at least those I stay at) leave a lot of bottled water for the guest's use. Then again, because I don't drink tap water in Thailand, I don't have direct evidence as to whether one can get sick from it.
In my experience, hotels generally only leave a lot of bottled water in the room in localities where the local water is risky to drink. I have always assumed this is the case in Thailand, including Bangkok, where the hotels (at least those I stay at) leave a lot of bottled water for the guest's use. Then again, because I don't drink tap water in Thailand, I don't have direct evidence as to whether one can get sick from it.
On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.Every hotel I've every stayed in, regardless of what city in Thailand, has always had bottled water. It's there for a reason. Thais drink bottled water, and they use the large home-delivered jugs for drinking and cooking at home. I don't think I've ever seen a Thai drink tap water. So, I never drink tap water in Thailand except, on occasion, for brushing my teeth.
Ice is a different matter. I have a rule of thumb that has served me well throughout SEA, Mexico, Central and South America. If the ice is a symmetrical shape, with a hole in the middle or an indentation on one side, it came from an ice machine. Virtually all ice from a machine is made with purified water. You'll see delivery trucks making their rounds in the mornings, delivering to bars, etc. If the ice meets these standards, it's safe to drink.
Wolvenvacht
03-21-16, 08:10
The rats on Soi 6 are pretty impressive too!I would have thought with all the pussy that goes around there, the rats would be chased away.
NamasteParis
03-23-16, 18:17
Hi! Still preparing my trip in April with my buddy.
After Pattaya, we intend to go to Phuket.
Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?
We'll leave then the car at Phuket and go back to BKK by plane.
Is Hua Hin a monger paradise, or any other place between HH and Phuket (Prachuab? Bang Saphan? Chumpon? Ranong? Surat Thani?
Should we go through Ranong or Surat Thani?
Does it worth it, is it a pleasant trip, or should we not waste time for this, and just take the plane back and forth BKK. Phuket?
Thanks for your advices. For sure reports of our 3 weeks journey will be posted here.
Crocodilexp
03-23-16, 19:21
Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?
Unless you have driven in places like Thailand (maybe India) before, renting a car and driving it yourself has some potential of ending in serious trouble. The roads are OK, but this is not Europe or America where you can rely on people respecting the rules of the road as you're used to, and more importantly, a sensible procedure if you do get into an accident.
Better to fly or take the bus. Will probably end up cheaper too.
Old New Guy
03-23-16, 19:25
Hi! Still preparing my trip in April with my buddy.
After Pattaya, we intend to go to Phuket.
Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?
We'll leave then the car at Phuket and go back to BKK by plane.
Is Hua Hin a monger paradise, or any other place between HH and Phuket (Prachuab? Bang Saphan? Chumpon? Ranong? Surat Thani?
Should we go through Ranong or Surat Thani?
Does it worth it, is it a pleasant trip, or should we not waste time for this, and just take the plane back and forth BKK. Phuket?
Thanks for your advices. For sure reports of our 3 weeks journey will be posted here.Not a very good idea unless you are OK with a large out-of-location return fee.
The region where you would drive is somewhat of smaller interested compared to e. G North Thailand, Samui, etc.
There is no other "monger paradise" in Thailand beside Pattaya, Bangkok and Patong Beach.
Old New Guy
03-23-16, 19:27
Unless you have driven in places like Thailand (maybe India) before, renting a car and driving it yourself has some potential of ending in serious trouble. The roads are OK, but this is not Europe or America where you can rely on people respecting the rules of the road as you're used to, and more importantly, a sensible procedure if you do get into an accident.
I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.
Robert Long
03-23-16, 20:36
I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.You might want to check and see if you need an International Driving Permit. I drive in Bali and it is required. Don't know about Thailand, although I will be driving in Chaing Mai next month so I will use it. You can get the permit at AAA locations $15.00 good for 1 year.
I get stopped in Bali a lot. Bule driving is a money sign for the police unless you have the right docs.
RL.
Old New Guy
03-23-16, 22:22
You might want to check and see if you need an International Driving Permit. I drive in Bali and it is required. Don't know about Thailand, although I will be driving in Chaing Mai next month so I will use it. You can get the permit at AAA locations $15.00 good for 1 year.
I get stopped in Bali a lot. Bule driving is a money sign for the police unless you have the right docs.
By law is not required as long your country license is in English, and you will not find any written Thai law or regulation which says that's required.
Major rental car company do not require one.
The police does not require one except in Pattaya and only when they have the organized squeeze roadblocks.
Mr Enternational
03-23-16, 23:43
I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.You are joking right? If you find the general safety of Thailand (period, not just driving) okay then in which countries do you find it bad? Because the W.H.O. and the UN finds it the second most dangerous in the world behind Libya.
I find it crazy when you are going along on the left side of the road on a side street and comes to a one way main street to turn right, everyone goes to the right side at the corner. Then everyone from the main street who turns onto the side street are expected to turn into the right side of the side street. I am told that driving in rural areas is even worse.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/work/738124/thailand-roads-second-deadliest-in-world-un-agency-finds
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
NamasteParis
03-24-16, 00:03
Many thanks for your advices. Actually I do have experience driving in such countries (10+ years of Africa + many times in Thailand). And I do have the international driving license also.
But I think that I'll just forget about this road trip, as it seems that there is not much to do / see.
We'll go straight to Phuket by plane, and then rent a car 2-3 days to visit Phan Nga and Krabi.
Thank you.
Old New Guy
03-24-16, 01:25
You are joking right? If you find the general safety of Thailand (period, not just driving) okay then in which countries do you find it bad? Because the W.H.O. and the UN finds it the second most dangerous in the world behind Libya.
No joking. These statistics are deceiving because they fail to distinguish the type of vehicle. In a country like Thailand where most people on the road mounts a motorbike or a three-wheeler, it is normal to have a high rate of fatal and disabling accidents.
Add this to the fact that the typical Thai helmet, if worn at all, is of pathetic quality and you have that almost all the deaths are from motorbike accidents, of which there are multiple every day in any city or town. Accidents without immediate death, no matter how serious, are not even reported by the newspapers.
If the countries with a small deaths per million figure were to use more motorbikes (usually the richer a country is, the less motorcycles are on the road), their statistics would be very different.
Anyway, I never said that driving in Thailand is safe. It is not when riding (including taxi bike) a motorbike and moreover if one only drives motorbikes in Thailand. I'm just saying that people from countries with safe, difensive driving are typically shocked at first sight. People from other countries, much less.
Recap: If you drive or go by only by car, you're basically safe. But if you have a no fault accident, good luck demonstrating that.
Do not even think to drive in Thailand without a personal accidents insurance, which BTW can be very difficult to obtain when motorcycle coverage is included.
Old New Guy
03-24-16, 01:33
But I think that I'll just forget about this road trip, as it seems that there is not much to do / see.
We'll go straight to Phuket by plane, and then rent a car 2-3 days to visit Phan Nga and Krabi.
That will work better for sure. There are many very nice places around including some almost deserted beaches.
On an occasion I was driving a car from the airport and I had no problems including parking to an hotel without a garage in Patong and going to Bangla Road in the night.
Better sure than paying extortionate fares to "taxi" just to sit with drunk strangers on a noisy sort of golf cart.
Mr Enternational
03-24-16, 02:23
Do not even think to drive in Thailand without a personal accidents insurance, which BTW can be very difficult to obtain when motorcycle coverage is included.Are you saying accident insurance from an outside country? Because my motorcycle insurance in Thailand was easy to get. I just went to Kasikorn Bank and paid 2500 baht for the year.
Old New Guy
03-24-16, 02:52
Are you saying accident insurance from an outside country? Because my motorcycle insurance in Thailand was easy to get. I just went to Kasikorn Bank and paid 2500 baht for the year.This one http://www.kasikornbank.com/EN/Personal/Insurance/Generalinsurance/AccidentProtect/Pages/AccidentProtect.aspx
Max payout for accident Bt 60,000.
My Bangkok Hospital bill for a wrist fracture (it was not a motorcycle accident, you may recall I had emailed you about it two years ago) that required intervention and a night stay, was about USD 8,000. Thanks heaven I had travel insurance.
Mumbai Guy
03-24-16, 03:07
Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.If you are staying around Nana, I would recommend Vasu exchange. It is right at the Nana BTS station. I have always found their exchange rates to be the best. It is open from 9 am to 6 pm and even has a website of its own. You can check the rates there.
Mr Enternational
03-24-16, 03:25
This one http://www.kasikornbank.com/EN/Personal/Insurance/Generalinsurance/AccidentProtect/Pages/AccidentProtect.aspx
Max payout for accident Bt 60,000.
My Bangkok Hospital bill for a wrist fracture (it was not a motorcycle accident, you may recall I had emailed you about it two years ago) that required intervention and a night stay, was about USD 8,000. Thanks heaven I had travel insurance.Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.
LittleBigMan
03-24-16, 07:50
Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.Not sure what your coverage is for your motorcycle because there are a few out there? This one I have for my son it is a addition to what the government provides but does not include coverage for damage to your bike or car, does not provide Third party coverage if you damage someone else property, bike, car. Coverage for medical for him.
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2,000 baht per year. 1. loss of life, dismemberment, loss of sight. 500,000 B. 2. Medical Expenses. 5,000 B 3. Broken Bones, burns, internal injury. 25,000 4. Public Accident Benefit 500,000 B. Extended coverage: Motorbike 250,000, Dental Treatment 5,000, Murder and Assault. 250,000, Extra cash reliet 25,000. Half of the stuff I have no idea what they are talking about, here insurance is a mine field and Ala Cart?get
As for the staying overnight stuff... this has spread just like overpaying for the two weeks millionaire coming here. The hospital has realized this is where the big money is.. everything is stay overnight for observation. Go to ICU. I noticed one of my medical policy for emergency is 10,000B, I go in for a small cut.. 10,000 baht..it always seem to come cost to 10,000B, there was a time for the same thing 2500 Baht, you got a big fever oh better stay overnight you might have Dengue Fever although you do not have any signs of it. BPH, general stay now is 10,000B plus per night they give you a nice English printout you pay first then your Insurance back home gladly take care of the bill although it is out of your normal group with coverage is reduced by 50%, but that 50% still covers 90% of the 10,000. The hospital have gotten wind because they know we gladly pay for it. You think the U.S. is out of control!
Help needed please reply soon.
Hi,
Team.
Looking for a MP / soapy with all the services.
Actually pointing for a parlour near to airport as on a tight schedule going to Bombay bt came to know nothing near airport so please suggest where I can go. I don't want to experiment as my trips are not very frequent.
Would be great help if any one can suggest a 100% satisfaction place.
I'm staying in rayong, tried to find places here bt things seems dry here not many options.
I'm going back to India on 25th. Have a evening flight and running tight on schedule so want a quickie.
Shall help out surely in India.
Thanks.
Old New Guy
03-24-16, 10:39
Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.Thb 20,000 or equivalent major currency. You may not be asked to show it.
Mumbai Guy
03-24-16, 11:51
Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.You need 1000 Baht for VOA and must carry equivalant of 20000 Baht in major currencies. Even that is not required if you have a international credit card. Nobody has ever asked me to actually show the money at VOA counters.
This is just an excellent post on so many levels, it should be in the Threads of Distinction. It confirms what I have seen w / my friends that live there and my thoughts on when I am on vacation. Time is a monger's best friend if you want the very best you can get. For me I like it all but the gogo dancing stunner are my favorite target and they have all the leverage. They can be very picky and exclusive but w / time you can over come this disadvantage sometimes.
If one has the time to wait them out you have a much better shot and in many cases you can see them w / no BF. If you live there or spend substantial time there you will encounter sexy Thai women in favorable conditions (for the monger) more often. I will be testing the waters soon. Thanks again for the great intel.
Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.
HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.
I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants..
Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.
What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.
I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.
Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?
Wolvenvacht
03-26-16, 22:07
Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.
What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.
I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.
Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?Viagra and Cialis are not narcotic drugs so there is no problem to bring it to Thailand, but most probably it wll be cheaper to buy their generic versions in the pharmacies there.
Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.
What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.
I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.
Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?No problem at all bringing it into the country. Also, no problem buying it in the country although a few "chain" or "first-tier" pharmacies now require a prescription; most pharmacies don't.
Thanks very much for the info guys. Genuinely appreciated.
Old New Guy
04-01-16, 18:39
The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.
With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.
What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.
LittleBigMan
04-02-16, 01:31
The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.
With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.
What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.Yes it has yet to be seen but I'll be the first to say here Nothing is going to change. This is all show and tell and smoke and mirror. All they are doing is moving all the stuff from the surface to the underground. As soon as the day comes after the Moaning period what I think will change is all hell will break loose.
Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.
Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?Just buy it locally. Plenty of info in the forum. And bring some back home, not tens as in case of search, rarely, you might incur in a problem even with prescription as quantity has to make sense.
AssLover945
04-02-16, 09:29
Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.Thanks for this tip. They got angry?? As if you owed them money. LOL.
AssLover945
04-02-16, 09:31
Help needed please reply soon.
Hi,
Team.
Looking for a MP / soapy with all the services.
Actually pointing for a parlour near to airport as on a tight schedule going to Bombay bt came to know nothing near airport so please suggest where I can go. I don't want to experiment as my trips are not very frequent.
Would be great help if any one can suggest a 100% satisfaction place.
I'm staying in rayong, tried to find places here bt things seems dry here not many options.
I'm going back to India on 25th. Have a evening flight and running tight on schedule so want a quickie.
Shall help out surely in India.
Thanks.Nothing near airport, but if you have time, you can make a quick visit to the city and there are a few - 100% satisfaction places like tulip, mango etc. How much time do you have?
If you are in Rayong, You might as well take a taxi one day directly to one of these places. But all depends on how much you want to do it.
Wolvenvacht
04-02-16, 19:29
The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.
With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.
What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.What they did was give Army officers (rank of sub-lieutenant and up) the same powers of arrest and search and seizure as police offers.
To me it seems the Army wants to level the playing field. Either they mean honestly that they want to assist the police with high profile cases (where some equally high profile police officers may be too closely involved) or they just want to get their cut of the tea money. Until now the Army could not really threaten clubs, bars and other establishments and had to work through the Police, which of course really spoils their game.
The list of crimes where the Army can now act is rather strange:
Extortion, abuse of labour, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), robbery, fraud, document forgery, defamation, debt collection, alien workers, gambling, immigration, child protection, tour guide services, forests, prostitution,.
Debt collection, tour guide services and forests? I never knew these are major criminal occupations in Thailand.
The Bangkok Post has an interesting opinion article about this matter: http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/919337/in-the-dark-on-armys-shadowy-powers.
Old New Guy
04-02-16, 20:37
What they did was give Army officers (rank of sub-lieutenant and up) the same powers of arrest and search and seizure as police offers.
To me it seems the Army wants to level the playing field. Either they mean honestly that they want to assist the police with high profile cases (where some equally high profile police officers may be too closely involved) or they just want to get their cut of the tea money. Until now the Army could not really threaten clubs, bars and other establishments and had to work through the Police, which of course really spoils their game.
The list of crimes where the Army can now act is rather strange:
Extortion, abuse of labour,traff-icking, robbery, fraud, document forgery, defamation, debt collection, alien workers, gambling, immigration, child protection, tour guide services, forests, prostitution,.
Debt collection, tour guide services and forests? I never knew these are major criminal occupations in Thailand.
Not exactly, because police must have an arrest validated by the judiciary within (I think) 48 hours, allow legal counsel. Nothing of that applies to the Military.
I don't think that they want a share of corruption money, and the concept of them "assisting" the police is laughable, but I would be digressing. However the list of crimes is not strange at all, all these top the chronicles, are very common and quite a plague.
Debt collection = loan sharks that will do everything to recover what they think is due.
Tour guides = illegal guides by cheap Chinese which don't want to pay a Thai for the same work. (Ok this one is small but still visible)
Forests = encroachment or illegal exploitation of natural resources.
Bangkok is supposed to be fucking hot right now. Yesterday was quite tolerable for me when walking outside. A little breeze and was not like a force fan oven at all. Was humid as my glasses fog up badly every time I exit from a taxi.
Yesterday my phone App said temperature was 36 but "feels like" 44. That was bullshit. It felt like 34 or 35 to me since overhead was overcast with cloud (and smog). I know what real 44 heat can be like (from home country) where can feel like being in an oven.
For me, yesterday Bangkok was hot but not unbearable in the slightest. Late evening I was sitting at outside bar chatting to a girl with no discomfort.
I can recall extreme heat of Bangkok with cloudless skies from many years ago, but these days Bangkok is overcast most of the time. This morning is again overcast with nice breeze outside. Hasn't got really hot yet.
Last year had a cool spell (late in the year) when Thais were shivering on several nights.
HotShaneHot
04-19-16, 10:54
Bangkok is supposed to be fucking hot right now. Yesterday was quite tolerable for me when walking outside. A little breeze and was not like a force fan oven at all. Was humid as my glasses fog up badly every time I exit from a taxi.
Yesterday my phone App said temperature was 36 but "feels like" 44. That was bullshit. It felt like 34 or 35 to me since overhead was overcast with cloud (and smog). I know what real 44 heat can be like (from home country) where can feel like being in an oven.
For me, yesterday Bangkok was hot but not unbearable in the slightest. Late evening I was sitting at outside bar chatting to a girl with no discomfort.
I can recall extreme heat of Bangkok with cloudless skies from many years ago, but these days Bangkok is overcast most of the time. This morning is again overcast with nice breeze outside. Hasn't got really hot yet.
Last year had a cool spell (late in the year) when Thais were shivering on several nights.Is there a need to post this.
This is what one would call a post going no where.
Is there a need to post this.
This is what one would call a post going no where.I don't mind a post or two devoted to weather especially if it is in the General reports. It is especially relevant for board members, like myself, who will be visiting Thailand in the near future.
MichaelSamuel
04-22-16, 20:55
If you need a laugh today imagine if Thailand posted something like this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/world/asia/china-foreign-spy-warning.html?module=WatchingPortal®ion=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=7&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F04%2F22%2Fworld%2Fasia%2Fchina-foreign-spy-warning.html&eventName=Watching-article-click
Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks!
Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks!Perhaps if find the right shop. I also would like to hear recommendations. My experience so far has been average.
First time I had glasses done in Thailand, focal length was too long to be any use to me, since I needed them for reading. They fucked it up. 2nd time was split level two focal lengths but not as cheap as I would like.
Right now I want a pair of simple +2. 75 for computer work. Cheap deal would be good. Got sick of my el cheapos off the street breaking or screws falling out.
Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks!Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.
Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.The optical shop is V. Siam Optical and is mentioned on other forums. They seem to have a good reputation. Thank you.
Right now I want a pair of simple +2. 75 for computer work. Cheap deal would be good. Got sick of my el cheapos off the street breaking or screws falling out.I have had the same problems with the 100 baht reading glasses I have bought off the street, although I must say I really put them through it, sticking them in my hip pocket along side other items, sitting on them and so on. Go through a pair in 2-3 weeks sometimes.
However, I happened to be shopping in Chinatown several weeks ago and saw a family selling reading glasses for 39 baht. Since I had one of those 100 baht pair in my hip pocket on the verge of losing a half broken stem, I decided to buy a couple of those 39 baht glasses as more of a joke, assuming they wouldn't last a day but, what the hell, they were only 39 baht. I'll be damned if the first pair I decded to wear hasn't held up better under the same or worse treatment than any pair of reading glasses I have ever owned at any price! Standard horn rimmed style, nothing special about the look but more durable than any I have ever owned. It has been weeks and they are as solid as the day I bought them.
Wish I could tell you exactly where they set up shop in Chinatown but they didn't have a permanent stall, just had all the goods, dozens of different powers and styles, all laid out on the pavement in boxes at the end of one of those crowded small alleys in Chinatown. All I can say is if you are shopping in the area and see a reading glasses vendor selling them for 39 baht, that is probably the one. I didn't notice any other vendors selling reading glasses that day.
I would have bought 10 pairs if I'd known how durable they are despite the dirt cheap price. But I still haven't needed to go to the second pair I bought since I can't seem to do anything to break that first pair.
The optical shop is V. Siam Optical and is mentioned on other forums. They seem to have a good reputation. Thank you.That's it! No worries. Check them out. I am sure they will take good care of you. If you need an exam the older lady there is pretty good.
Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.Thanks, I will try, and so close to my hangouts, for watching sports and girls! LOL I never went in before assuming the location would mean not best prices.
Today went shopping for food. Near On Nut BTS this Thai girl is wearing all black and white including black bowler hat, black skirt, and white tee-shirt. In big black letters on the front of the tee-shirt has the letters: "GAP". Since I am a fan of girls with nice Gap between the legs, I was flummoxed. What on earth would GAP be referring to? Surely there is another meaning? If it read "GAPE" I suppose I would be even more surprised.
Today went shopping for food. Near On Nut BTS this Thai girl is wearing all black and white including black bowler hat, black skirt, and white tee-shirt. In big black letters on the front of the tee-shirt has the letters: "GAP". Since I am a fan of girls with nice Gap between the legs, I was flummoxed. What on earth would GAP be referring to? Surely there is another meaning? If it read "GAPE" I suppose I would be even more surprised.You need to get out more Syz.
GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, California
Member #4422
04-27-16, 16:06
Hello all,
I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??
That's it! No worries. Check them out. I am sure they will take good care of you. If you need an exam the older lady there is pretty good.Any recommended places to hang out to have a beer or watch people near Bradman's? I figured that if I have to walk a long way from the BTS station to get there, I would want to chill out for a while before heading back to Soi 11. Thanks again,
Hello all,
I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??Cambodia or Cabodge if you want to spell it like that is your pick of cheapest pussies.
Wolvenvacht
04-28-16, 07:07
Hello all,
I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??Cambodia is quite cheap - if one can believe the trip reports - but it is not easy to find someone and the quality seems to vary a lot. The beach at Sihanoukville was once quite famous for P4P, but I see very few reports now, so I wonder what happened there.
Myanmar has a reputation of providing cheap fun too, but again: difficult to find and some experience seems necessary to get a good deal. Besides it is a difficult area to travel.
Laos is perhaps a less good idea: the law forbids a foreigner and a Lao lady to stay together in one room unless they are married. It seems that law is not strictly enforced, but why take any chances?
I have never been to Vietnam, so I don't know the prices there. I did have some Vietnamese girls in Singapore and those were good but expensive.
By all means, have a look at the messages in the Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, ... forums.
In my opinion, Thailand may not be the cheapest but taking into account the convenience of travel, the fact that prostitution is legal there, the very large choice of providers and all kinds of establishments, I find Thailand still a very good and not expensive destination for some adult fun.
If you don't mind the somewhat shabby surroundings, Soi 6 in Pattaya is difficult to beat: 1000 baht for the girl, 300 baht for the room and a few hundred baht for drinks and the choice of girls is limitless.
At Beach Road in Pattaya, you can get freelancers for less than 1000 baht.
In about a month I will go to Hua Hin. I read some mixed reports about that place, but price-wise it seems quite cheap.
Any recommended places to hang out to have a beer or watch people near Bradman's?
I figured that if I have to walk a long way from the BTS station to get there, I would want to chill out for a while before heading back to Soi 11.
Thanks again,I recommend the Old Dutch Pub diagonally across the road from Bradman's.
Good food / shit service (lately), but one of the best people watching places in the world IMHO. The sights you will see from about 7.00 pm may well give you a few stories until your dying days.
Crocodilexp
04-28-16, 10:18
I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??No such thing as the "cheapest country", there are various venues within each country, and many other factors like selection, attitudes, safety and so on.
If you're looking for absolute cheapest, check out the Sanam Luang area in Bangkok, within the rough triangle formed by Ratchadamnoen Klang, Atsadang and Tanao roads. You can get sex from a horrid grandma or a junkie for a 300 baht (under $10) or even 200 baht there (plus 40 for the filthy shack). You can also splurge 500 for one of the better lookers (plus 100 for a ST hotel with a shower and old AC). It might not be exactly pleasant, or the entertainment you're looking for, but it sure is cheapest.
I suspect shacks with similar providers in the Philippines or Cambodia might be even cheaper, but I haven't tried.
Yeah. Pretty funny observation. The stock is trading around $24. Leslie Wexner, the founder, is a billionaire twice over and owns a large mansion in Aspen. I think the store has become passé in the US. It's having the same style and marketing issues with the millennials as Banana Republic, a sister company. Sometimes in Asia, retail outlets that have fallen out of favor in the US continue to thrive in Asia and South America. Croc's comes to mind. The company basically went belly up in the US but I still see outlets in Asia. Go figure.
You need to get out more Syz.
GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, California
Hi,
Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?
Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.
Happy mongering!
NamasteParis
04-28-16, 20:00
Back from a 3 week journey in Thailand: 1 week in BKK, 1 week in Pattaya, and 1 week in Patong (Phuket).
* Bangkok is more 'business-oriented'. More choice and more places of course, but I seldom found a true GFE. They all prefer short time and nothing was easily below 2000 THB short time, 4000-5000 long time (which is often till 9 am).
* Pattaya has a more laid back atmosphere (beach / sea?) and girls are more relaxed, GFE, and funny. Cheaper than BKK.
* Patong was the best: Very good atmosphere with all the bars. Few gogo bars but worth a visit. Definitely GFE and cheaper: 2000 long time (till we wake up! Which can be noon!
Girls willing to see you again tomorrow for cheaper or free.
Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.When I was looking for a website for V. Siam Optical on Soi 23, another company seems to have a similar name and implies that they are V. Siam Optical. The pretenders have a branch on Suk by Soi 26. FYI. I will definitely go to Soi 23 for my glasses. I do wish they had a working email that I could ask some questions ahead of time.
It's true that it's getting more difficult to find girls for short time under 2000 though not impossible. I paid 1500 several times this winter albeit depending on the venue and time of evening. However, I have never paid 4 or 5 k baht for long time. That's in NEVER! Usually, I either tell them 2 k baht for short time and / or 3000 baht for long. If they are quoting these amounts, in my view, these are exceptionally high rates. I would stick to my guns at 3 k though be prepared to walk. There are plenty of girls who will gladly take 3 k for LT. Maybe you are hanging out at Spasso's too much?
Back from a 3 week journey in Thailand: 1 week in BKK, 1 week in Pattaya, and 1 week in Patong (Phuket).
* Bangkok is more 'business-oriented'. More choice and more places of course, but I seldom found a true GFE. They all prefer short time and nothing was easily below 2000 THB short time, 4000-5000 long time (which is often till 9 am).
* Pattaya has a more laid back atmosphere (beach / sea?) and girls are more relaxed, GFE, and funny. Cheaper than BKK.
* Patong was the best: Very good atmosphere with all the bars. Few gogo bars but worth a visit. Definitely GFE and cheaper: 2000 long time (till we wake up! Which can be noon!
Girls willing to see you again tomorrow for cheaper or free.
Wolvenvacht
04-30-16, 09:34
Hi,
Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?
Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.
Happy mongering!Even at times when the number of girls is at an all time low, there will be still much much more girls than you can ever hope to make love to!
Don't fear that you will not be serviced in June or July. It is business as usual.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/29/brutal-attack-on-tourists-in-thailand-caught-on-video.html?intcmp=hppop
Some species of the Thai human prey animal should be taken out and shot... on second thought that's probably too good for them
Hi,
Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?
Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.
Happy mongering!
Even at times when the number of girls is at an all time low, there will be still much much more girls than you can ever hope to make love to!
Don't fear that you will not be serviced in June or July. It is business as usual.And while so many punters seem to be chasing the elusive 'once in a lifetime experience' with the hottest lady imaginable; reality is we are renting and not buying so go with the flow and enjoy the many options that will be at your disposal.
SL.
Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July? *snip* Happy mongering!This sort of question appears about every year someplace in the Indonesia forum. If you are asking about whether Ramandan has any effect in Bangkok, the answer is "no". TTG.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/29/brutal-attack-on-tourists-in-thailand-caught-on-video.html?intcmp=hppop
Some species of the Thai human prey animal should be taken out and shot... on second thought that's probably too good for themAnd I suppose this sort of thing never happens in the United States or other western countries?
And I suppose this sort of thing never happens in the United States or other western countries?Thai lowlifes beating the shit out of innocent elderly tourists purely for sport on the streets in full view of the public -- cold cocking and kicking them in the face while they're down -- happens far more frequently in Thailand than anywhere else on the planet as far as I know. But whether it happens elsewhere or not, what would that have to do with how to deal with predatory human animals in Thailand?
What's your point?
Hello all,
I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??Looking for cheap? The absolute cheapest option I have heard of is street girls in Angeles City, Philippines. Some will have sex with you for 50 peso. Hard to beat, right? I have never tried this myself, but was told by local men that I know well. These girls of course cater mostly to local trike riders etc. You will find them in the back streets. Many are young and many are on drugs. You have been warned.
NamasteParis
04-30-16, 16:04
There are plenty of girls who will gladly take 3 k for LT. Maybe you are hanging out at Spasso's too much?Thinking about it, you're right. Due to my natural attirance for stunning face and extrovert / funny girl, It happens that all the girl I approached were very often coyotes.
Hence the outstanding prices.
But still. In Pattaya, and even better in Patong, same quality asks for 2 K LT.
Big difference I noticed is that the standard in BKK is ST; in Patong, standard is LT.
Maybe next time, I'll fly straight to Phuket, and bypass BKK. I had much much more fun and GFE in Phuket. And girls are far away less pushy than in BKK.
Robert Long
05-01-16, 02:44
You need to get out more Syz.
GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, CaliforniaA Hippie Chick started the business from a store on Height Street. She sewed and embroidered Jeans and Shirts. Grew the business and got the right conections. Opportunity is everywhere.
RL.
Strikesfun
05-02-16, 15:50
Visa Help:
Do I need to get the multiple entry visa to do 5 plus trips to Thailand in a year?
I have 5 paid trips of 4 days each in / out with etickets and hotel reservation about 5 weeks apart to Bangkok.
For the past 5 plus years, I have entered Thailand on the Exemption VOA and departed before the 30 days.
My last trip the agent looked at all the in / out entries. Nothing was said. Just want to do this correct.
SirWilliam4
05-02-16, 17:18
Visa Help:
Do I need to get the multiple entry visa to do 5 plus trips to Thailand in a year?
I have 5 paid trips of 4 days each in / out with etickets and hotel reservation about 5 weeks apart to Bangkok.
For the past 5 plus years, I have entered Thailand on the Exemption VOA and departed before the 30 days.
My last trip the agent looked at all the in / out entries. Nothing was said. Just want to do this correct.Late last year I was told by a border agent that up to 6 entries in one year was okay. Beyond that a visa is required. Since I had already had more than six entries in the year it took a bit of talking to get admitted, but with the provision that any more would require a visa. Whew! I got in, and then got a multiple entry visa for entries after that. Cost was $200 for the visa. Since then I've always entered with that multiple entry visa (which gets me 90 days instead of 30 days) with no problem. Not legal advice, just one person's experience about six months ago.
Late last year I was told by a border agent that up to 6 entries in one year was okay. Beyond that a visa is required. Since I had already had more than six entries in the year it took a bit of talking to get admitted, but with the provision that any more would require a visa. Whew! I got in, and then got a multiple entry visa for entries after that. Cost was $200 for the visa. Since then I've always entered with that multiple entry visa (which gets me 90 days instead of 30 days) with no problem. Not legal advice, just one person's experience about six months ago.I enter Thailand more than 6 times a year, sometime even for a few hours, entering in the early afternoon and leaving before midnight. Nobody has ever questioned me.
Maybe because it is from or to Internstional destination (not just cross the border).
Maybe it is because I am not a cute 20 year old Laos or Cambodian girl but an old farang and the declared income (never forget to fill that part of the form, guys!) is the equivalent of a dozen of girls, LOL.
I am always issued a 30 or 60 days, can't remember, not bothered. The most I have stayed has been 10/12 days.
The rule you mention might be there but it might be enforced at discretion of the officer.
It is probably meant to hit the visa runs: 60 day visa makes 6 entries. In one year, more or less.
So applicable if they feel, there is something going on (or they don't share the envelope for the tea money by some travel agency specialised in visa runs, a profitable industry in Thailand, where everybody makes money).
Traveler1234
05-02-16, 19:11
I enter Thailand more than 6 times a year, sometime even for a few hours, entering in the early afternoon and leaving before midnight. Nobody has ever questioned me.
I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.
SirWilliam4
05-02-16, 23:42
I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.I was led to believe that all of the recent changes were part of the campaign to deal with people overstaying their time in the country.
Wolvenvacht
05-03-16, 07:39
I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.The Foreign Office website of Thailand has the following:
Furthermore, foreigners who enter the Kingdom under this Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry.http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15380-Questions-&-Answers-on-Thai-Visa.html
So it seems that it is not the number of entries but rather the cumulative duration of your stay that applies.
Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.
"90 days in a period of 6 months" is little less than half of the time. So it means that if you intend to stay for more than 50% of your time in Thailand, you are more like a resident than a tourist and should follow the rules for residency rather than tourism.
Strikesfun
05-03-16, 13:59
Hello All Thanks.
Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.
Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.
The Foreign Office website of Thailand has the following:
http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15380-Questions-&-Answers-on-Thai-Visa.html
So it seems that it is not the number of entries but rather the cumulative duration of your stay that applies.
Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.
"90 days in a period of 6 months" is little less than half of the time. So it means that if you intend to stay for more than 50% of your time in Thailand, you are more like a resident than a tourist and should follow the rules for residency rather than tourism.
I was led to believe that all of the recent changes were part of the campaign to deal with people overstaying their time in the country.Most likely that is the reason. They have set the law, then they use it when needed. Certainly not on the guys a zillion time but staying also relatively short times. The screen in front surely has all our IN and OUT in the system.
Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.
I was actually referring to real entire, through immigration. If I have (or make) at least 10 hrs transit I go Downtown.
So not unusual I enter at noon and re-exit at 22 hrs.
Once, due to a flight delay, I entered at 17.30 and re-exited at 21 hrs.
Hello All Thanks.
Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.
Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.L no need to worry about. A no brainer.
Wolvenvacht
05-04-16, 06:57
Hello All Thanks.
Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.
Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.There is a difference between "VOA" ("Visa on Arrival") and the exemption scheme. US Citizens are on the exemption scheme, so don't go to the VOA queue!
There is a difference between "VOA" ("Visa on Arrival") and the exemption scheme. US Citizens are on the exemption scheme, so don't go to the VOA queue!In other words, proceed straight to the immigration line. And for those who fly Thai Airways first or business class, the Thai Airways boarding pass (showing the class of service) entitles one to use the fast-track immigration line, a fact Thai Airways seems to no longer publicize even though it still applies. For other business or first class passengers, it depends on whether your airline distributes fast-track coupons on board.
I wanted to watch the new season 6 of Game of Thrones. So I tried to check out how to get HBO via Internet. Too complex convoluted and only available to certain specific users of other facilities, it seemed. I was willing to pay. Seemed I could not get past country restrictions even using VPN, where I can get other home country TV programs.
In the end, I gave up and resorted to the free illegal Torrent sites to download it. Willing to pay but was just too hard. So I end up being a day or less behind the premier official broadcasts only. 1 hour only per episode is a bit frustrating so I might better to wait to end of season. So far, season 6 has been a bit lacking in sex and nudity. Only saw the Red Priestess woman Melisandre get her gear off once. Magnificent tits, she has. Ramsey's stunning swine herd girl Myranda (was it?) used to naked nearly all the time but got killed off last season. Pity but she was evil! The semi-black girl Missandei is my favorite girl (skinny but very nice tits). Many M names in this story. Causes great confusion for those with bad memory for names, even amongst avid fans of the series. LOL.
Ineterestingly, ISG used to be blocked at my apartment ISP, but they may have changed ISP, as ISG is working now. Maybe changed to 3BB. I make far less typos if using a PC rather than smartphone.
In all my years here it has not happened to me, but risk is always present. May help I am larger type and carry no easily snatchable bag. I even got off no problem when refused to pay more than my drinks in a Patpong rip off bar 20 years ago upstairs between Patong 1 and 2. Those bars were notorious. LOL.
When walking around on footpath, always stay very well away from younger motorcyclists, especially when there is more than one. I don't mean the motorcycle taxi groups of course. However bash and snatch motorcyclists are so common, I hear, that police have very little interest to do anything about them. I don't even mean back alleys. The thieves are pretty brazen these days.
Ladyboy relative of my GF was bashed and kicked recently by two teenage tougher type girls (with motorcycle) wanting the handbag etc. Surrounding nearby Thais typically do not assist the victim. Fortunately they did not have knives and LB managed to hang on to her phone. But handbag, cards, cash gone. Not so heavy built victims with very long hair (pullable) are at a stronger disadvantage possibly. However resisting against a weaponed gang will be futile, I am sure.
I think the key is be very wary about being isolated and an easy target. Perhaps having some "wingmen" can be an advantage.
There are heaps of young motorcyclist types hanging around Soi 23, but I haven't seen any trouble as yet (heard it can happen). Most of those in Soi 23 are waiting around drinking, gambling, etc. For bargirls to come out after work who support their Thai boys for some unknown reason. Never can work out why Thai hookers want to support a lazy good for nothing boozing leech, likely drug addicted as well. I suppose they laugh at me, thinking my money ends up with them, however I have not detected that any of my girls has a Thai boy in current times. Doesn't mean its not possible, just I haven't seen them. When girls will not give out contact info, one has to get suspicious. One of my girls was seen leaving with a Thai boy motorcycle regularly years ago, when she was not even old enough, but not any more. She says she dumped him long ago but I can't tell if she is really truthful. However she works a lot less regularly than 2 or 3 years ago. I don't believe CH has any girls of age below limit any more.
When a girl rarely turns up for work and sometimes barfines herself early in evening, in order to leave and do something else, one has to suspect that the lack of diligence means she may not have a "manager" controlling her. I don't believe she is off to meet private customers. Normally girls with Thai boys show up to work early and almost every day, because they need the money to keep coming reliably. Just my opinions. "Chocolat" was one of those at CH. Regularly seen with her Thai boy. Away right now. May have got pregnant. I don't care as I never liked her attitude to customers. Acted raunchy but not very pretty really and average body. Always in "rip off" the money mode.
IndStallion31
05-19-16, 17:16
Good evening friends. This will be my second trip to Thailand after a year. I will be staying mostly in Pattaya and a few days in Bangkok. I need few suggestions on general things which I did last time and would like to improvise.
1) my flight is landing on 6 AM. I'm planning to take VOA. How is the airport at that time? Crowded?? Last time my flight landed at 3 AM. If it is too much of crowd I will take a visa here.
2) I'm planning for a taxi to Pattaya. Which company is the best deal?? And whether they allow 3 people in one cab? Last time we paid 1600 baht. Hearing that people book and pay 1000 baht, felt I got cheated.
3) for phone connection, I got a local SIM card with 100 baht TT and 1 GB internet for 500 baht. Is there any better option?
4) how s the climate in June end? Will it rain too much?? I read that there can be occasional rains but still a bit hesitant.
5) other than mongering, I would like to do few sight seeing activities. Would any of you recommend any good local touring company?
Thank you,
Stallion
Crocodilexp
05-20-16, 10:37
1) my flight is landing on 6 AM. I'm planning to take VOA. How is the airport at that time? Crowded?? Last time my flight landed at 3 AM. If it is too much of crowd I will take a visa here.
Yes, Suvarnabhumi can be crowded, 7 am is start of the morning peak. All depends on.
2) I'm planning for a taxi to Pattaya. Which company is the best deal?? And whether they allow 3 people in one cab? Last time we paid 1600 baht. Hearing that people book and pay 1000 baht, felt I got cheated.
Just negotiate with whichever taxi, I don't think there's much of a difference between companies. 1000 seems low to me, but not impossible. Having 3 people in a cab is no problem, but if you have luggage, prepare for a squeeze. Most taxis run on LPG, so the trunk has limited capacity.
If you want to pay less, take a bus from the airport for about 150 baht, they're reasonably frequent.
3) for phone connection, I got a local SIM card with 100 baht TT and 1 GB internet for 500 baht. Is there any better option?
Yes, True has sims for 50 baht, and data plans from 79 (4 days, 500 Mb) and 99 (7 days) and 199 (one month 1 Gb).
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