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Mumbai Guy
05-20-17, 18:41
I disagree. A lot of Americans have traveled outside of the country to Hawaii! Many will tell you that if you ask them. I often tell fellow Americans headed to Hawaii to exchange their dollars here for Hawaiian money as the exchange rate is much better here!Hahaha. You must be joking. If Americans think they are going abroad while going to Hawaii, that proves that they don't know much about their own country, forget about rest of the world.
StinkyFeet
05-20-17, 19:23
Its a joke.
I'm from the north east coast and generally the people that I know of have decent knowledge of geography and in general education. Of course a few of us have tge opportunity to travel for both work and leisure. And yes that's completely correct regarding holidays. We don't have a lot and generally a lot of smaller businesses frown on staff taking holidays.
Hahaha. You must be joking. If Americans think they are going abroad while going to Hawaii, that proves that they don't know much about their own country, forget about rest of the world.
Old New Guy
05-21-17, 21:05
Its a joke.Sorry for lecturing then, I didn't catch the sarcasm. Was well masked!
I disagree. A lot of Americans have traveled outside of the country to Hawaii! Many will tell you that if you ask them. I often tell fellow Americans headed to Hawaii to exchange their dollars here for Hawaiian money as the exchange rate is much better here!I was surprised when I went to Guam and they announced "Welcome to the United States of America" as we landed in Guam. I found that bizarre.
When I was young, my dream vacation was Hawaii. I still think it's one of the best places to go in this world if you are with your spouse.
After going through most of the go go bars in Soi Cowboy. I picked up some hot girls and had nice fun for over a month. Recently was back in Suzie Wong club around 10 pm. Being Friday it was full and only corner seat at backside was available. When I reached, balloon show was going on and I was surprised to see how females were present. Some were with their boyfriend and one group in particular was only of 5 ladies. The couple who was sitting in front off my bench started to argue over something as the guy was drunk and tried to approach one of the bar girls. It was fun to watch, why would one bring in your girlfriend if you want to monger. Anyways after balloon show, there was soap show with two girls playing with each other. Just lip kiss once and touching each other here and there nothing great. Bar girls were moving around trying catch the prey and I was scanning the ground for perfect night. One girl caught my attention with big boos and slim figure. I called her and started talking and offered a lady drink. She sat near me and things started to move further. While I was playing with boobs and touching her down, one of the lady from the pack started staring back at us. She was not taking off her eye from us and was showing it to other ladies in the group. I t was kind of hot and I felt really horny. Stared back at her while playing with my girl and making her seat on my lap facing me. She kept staring at me constantly without a blink of an eye. I finally smiled at her but her response was look at other side and then stare back at me. When group left and I also picked my girl at THB 3000 to my hotel with THB 800 bar fine. Once in the room got naked and her figure was to die for. Perfect boobs, complete flat stomach and juicy ass. Had shower with her and back to bed. Was playing with her boobs for longtime. They were fake but it was one of the best experience of boob fuck. First round was done in 10 minutes with boob fuck and blowjob due to over excitement. I asked her to stay for night with addition of THB 1500. Had some wine and then started with 69, nice pussy, smooth skin and very good response. Continued with 69 and some DT. Followed by her riding me for 10 minutes. Then into doggy, with my thumb into her ass. No objections at all but she denied anal sex. Finally in missionary and came in condom. Slept at around 2 am in the morning and woke up at 8 am. Had another round in shower and said goodbye. Hint look for 24 number. Going to Germany in 2 days. If any of you have been to Berlin before please guide me correct contacts or directions.
Crocodilexp,
Yes, well, there are many exceptions. Me, for instance. I work seven months out of the year and get paid for 12. Plus all holidays. Plus summer break, winter break and spring break (one week each except Christmas is two weeks). Plus they pay for my airline and hotel for overseas conference once a year. Now if this is not an incentive to stay in school nothing is. But you are right, Croc, paltry two weeks is the norm.
Cheers.
I've read that at some places, Thermae in particular, some of the girls will only talk to Japanese guys. I have some insight to share on this.
On the last night of my last visit to BKK I wanted to make an early night of it as I had a rather early flight the next morning. My go to for early or for a 'pick and go' is Thermae as the place opens at 8. At just after 8 I was killing time at a coffee shop down the street, and a pair of girls walked by, one of which had the form factor (less than 1.52 m tall and less than 40 kilos) that I like so I got up and followed them. They went up Suk to Soi 13 and in the back entrance of Thermae. Excellent!
I got a good look at the little spinner and wasn't inspired to go to her immediately so I took a seat in the middle of Thermae. It was still only 8:20 and there were only about 30 girls in the place so I decided to wait a bit and see who else came in. As I was sitting there a girl came up to me and started talking. She was not a girl that I would pick but she was pretty determined to go with me and kept trying. We talked a bit in between here attempts to convince me to take her to my room and along the way she asked if I was a "Cheap Charlie", actually more like accused me.
We talked a bit more and she told me what she meant. It seems that some of the girls, the ones that seem to talk only to Japanese guys, are convinced that all, or at least most white guys are looking for the cheapest deal they can get.
The laws of supply and demand are universal. They are at play everywhere. The misunderstanding for most people is that demand is someone saying they want something, it is not. Demand, in the economics model, is expressed only when someone transfers a value, as in pays money for, something. The term in economics is "utiles".
Supply on the other hand, is only what can be obtained so the girls that will not talk to white guys are not in the supply pool, at least not for non-Japanese guys. Perhaps the average price for a white guy to get serviced is going up not because 'stupid white guys are paying too much' but because 'Cheap Charlies', or the perception, has contracted the supply pool and the laws of supply and demand apply to BKK girls aw well.
We talked a bit more and she told me what she meant. It seems that some of the girls, the ones that seem to talk only to Japanese guys, are convinced that all, or at least most white guys are looking for the cheapest deal they can get.I have a way around this problem. When I go to Thermae, I wear my chop suey specs. Works every time.
Crocodilexp
05-23-17, 06:11
Supply on the other hand, is only what can be obtained so the girls that will not talk to white guys are not in the supply pool, at least not for non-Japanese guys. Perhaps the average price for a white guy to get serviced is going up not because 'stupid white guys are paying too much' but because 'Cheap Charlies', or the perception, has contracted the supply pool and the laws of supply and demand apply to BKK girls aw well.Your post confuses supply with demand. In this market, supply is provided by the sex workers (girls), demand by the customers (guys). There is no such thing as "guys in the supply pool".
As for "cheap charlie" that's nothing more than using social shaming to drive up prices. It does work on some guys, albeit not all, and some cultures are less susceptible to such shaming.
As for girls preferring a certain race, there are always several factors apart from price that come into it. For instance, perception on how demanding they are about acts they want, how reliable they are when it comes to payment, how comfortable the girl is with the typical flow of the session (example: if they don't speak the language or haven't been with many people from the given group, they'd be more reluctant), and the perception from other girls / customers (example: many Japanese would avoid a girl they see going with non-Japanese). If it weren't for the other factors, there's no reason for a girl to prefer a Farang offering 2000 baht from a Japanese offering 2000 baht.
We talked a bit more and she told me what she meant. It seems that some of the girls, the ones that seem to talk only to Japanese guys, are convinced that all, or at least most white guys are looking for the cheapest deal they can get.
The first thing that comes out of the mouth of some girls at the Thermae is: "Yes I can do Farangs, but there is a Surcharge", which means we need to pay even more than the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. The girls have the perception that Farangs may not be happy with a 30 minute quickie, I reckon, and that we may want our full money's worth of fucking.
In my case that would be right, no quick draw and shoot from me. I expect to get BBBJ, DATY, and DFK too.
So I agree with CrocExpat. It's not just the money consideration. Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. No way did the girl think of potentially having a fun time for all.
Now in gogos like Crazy House I am meeting some girls that have a strong preference for Farangs over Japanese, or so they say. Different mindset altogether, possibly girls that actually like to fuck a bit, perhaps influenced by Farangs preferring them. Some of them have had Farang boyfriends before, little doubt (maybe even a sponsor who knows). Other girls prefer small dick handsome man. It varies a lot what they prefer. So a good mix of different types of customers. Even shy girls and nasty girls.
In the end best to choose venues with good options for girls you like, girls that like you, and prices suit you budget. When you try a place and are less than satisfied, you have to weigh up if was just bad luck or chose wrongly, and whether it's worthwhile to keep trying. I will try the Thermae again, but so far no recent girls were worth a repeat. Chemistry building seems to go poorly in there, maybe it is due to the speed the deal is normally done in there, where I am used to taking a lot more time to chat to girls in venues that make that possible. Otherwise it's just a roll of the dice, what you get.
Grandaddy Perp
05-23-17, 10:21
The first thing that comes out of the mouth of some girls at the Thermae is: "Yes I can do Farangs, but there is a Surcharge", which means we need to pay even more than the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. The girls have the perception that Farangs may not be happy with a 30 minute quickie, I reckon, and that we may want our full money's worth of fucking.
In my case that would be right, no quick draw and shoot from me. I expect to get BBBJ, DATY, and DFK too.
So I agree with CrocExpat. It's not just the money consideration. Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. No way did the girl think of potentially having a fun time for all.
Now in gogos like Crazy House I am meeting some girls that have a strong preference for Farangs over Japanese, or so they say. Different mindset altogether, possibly girls that actually like to fuck a bit, perhaps influenced by Farangs preferring them. Some of them have had Farang boyfriends before, little doubt (maybe even a sponsor who knows). Other girls prefer small dick handsome man. It varies a lot what they prefer. So a good mix of different types of customers. Even shy girls and nasty girls.
In the end best to choose venues with good options for girls you like, girls that like you, and prices suit you budget. When you try a place and are less than satisfied, you have to weigh up if was just bad luck or chose wrongly, and whether it's worthwhile to keep trying. I will try the Thermae again, but so far no recent girls were worth a repeat. Chemistry building seems to go poorly in there, maybe it is due to the speed the deal is normally done in there, where I am used to taking a lot more time to chat to girls in venues that make that possible. Otherwise it's just a roll of the dice, what you get.There is generally a few things at play as far as what types of customers they prefer.
1) Sherlock Holmes vs EXO: Did they grow up idolizing Western or Asian culture. I tend to find girls who prefer westerners are often really into western media and have been subjected to American / British movies, music, TV series. Whereas the ones who are into Asians grew up on J- and K-Pop. I generally find that the ladies looking for a BF fall into this category.
2) Wolves of Walking Street: Are they motivated purely by money? If so they will go after whichever customer base is more likely to choose them and pay the most money or allow them to service the most in a given time period. Some ladies just don't have the look that is attractive to Asian men so go after Westerners by default.
3) How bright is your armor?: Thai P4P girls have a talent for spotting guys that will be the most easily manipulated. Its doesn't matter what color your skin is but more about the amount of wanting in your eyes and the drool running down your chin.
4) COCKtails and Dreams: Some bars push their staff to keep guys in the bar and drinking. They will often choose the customers that will fall into this.
Some of us Farangs are just too much hassle. Better to make quick easy money. Other girls prefer small dickYep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.
Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.
Who can blame them?
Your post confuses supply with demand. In this market, supply is provided by the sex workers (girls), demand by the customers (guys). There is no such thing as "guys in the supply pool".You should re-read the post.
"girls that will not talk to white guys are not in the supply pool".
I said the girls are not in the supply pool.
Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.
Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.
Who can blame them?Now that's funny. Unless you are Japanese of course. LOL.
Grandaddy Perp
05-24-17, 07:11
Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.
Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.
Who can blame them?Ah yes, the 333 joke. Classic. I wonder who the originator of that one was.
I've been seeing another one '555' over the last few years on a lot of my P4P lady friend's facebook feeds. It's often posted as a caption to a picture of a 1000 baht money fan or a designer handbag or in response to those farangs who post comments expressing their undying devotion to the lady.
Crocodilexp
05-24-17, 19:14
I've been seeing another one '555' over the last few years on a lot of my P4P lady friend's facebook feeds. For those unfamiliar, "555" is Thai message slang for "hahaha" (or "jajaja" for the Spanish speakers). Nothing to do with the old 3-inches 3-minutes 3000-baht joke -- though joke's on us punters, 3000 baht is starting to seem like an OK price in Bangkok these days.
Ah yes, the 333 joke. Classic. I wonder who the originator of that one was.I'm not sure of the originator. A Thai girl told me that one 10 years ago when I asked her why they preferred Japanese. My bet is that it is now 335 rather than 333.
I'm not sure of the originator. A Thai girl told me that one 10 years ago when I asked her why they preferred Japanese. My bet is that it is now 335 rather than 333.A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.
A Thai girl made it up to save face for the deflating western guy as she turned him down. Other girls have seen how well it has worked and have been using the story since. The 333 story has passed on to other Asian countries now.I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.
I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.
It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.I think at least 1 hour (or more) is a more accurate comparison for the white guys rather than 6 minutes. White guys like to hang out with the girls. It seems Japanese are more likely to get in a quick shag and be on their way.
Here's a funny story from when I stayed at the Dynasty Grande a while ago. A very tall Dutch guy had bar fined a girl (I am not sure from where). He was staying in the room next to me and I could clearly hear their argument through the wall. When he dropped his pants, the girl complained saying that his dick was too big and she would not have sex with him. The guy was furious. However, he was not able to convince her to have sex with him. He told her that he had paid her bar fine and paid for her to go to the movies with him. She said she would give him back his money for the movies. After more arguing, the guy finally relented, the girl gave him back his money for the movies and she left.
There are disadvantages to being well hung when it comes to paying for sex.
It is all about time equals money. Just like all business, 80% of your profits are made from your 20% best customers, your other 20% profits are made from the 80%. It doesn't take too long to figure out who to concentrate on without alienating your 20%. Whether the 3 inches or 3 minutes are true what matters is the 3 k. I am sure the girls wouldn't mind 6 inches and 6 minutes for 3 k.Yeh, the version I heard was called 3, 4, 5, I think. 3 inches, 4 minutes, and 5 K. LOL That was exaggerating a little too much. Maybe it should have been 5, 4, 3, to be more realistic.
60 minutes is my absolute minimum. I normally take 90 mins with my regular girls, occasionally more. Alas in that time, I typically manage only one shot. I am a little jealous of extra sensitive guys who can do several shots, and get more value for their money, however I do get plenty of actual fucking time, and plenty of BBBJ time, and plenty of DATY time. So perhaps I am getting value compared to a 6 minutes shooter.
Grandaddy Perp
05-25-17, 07:04
I don't know about that. This particular Thai girl went to my hotel many times for 1500 baht at the time. She was a true GFE. I personally think she was telling it like it is.
In Indonesia, the girls say the same. They don't say 333, but they say the Japanese guys are less demanding in bed and are relatively quick, less well endowed in general, and pay more. There is a massage place I like to visit in Jakarta and if there are white guys who walk in the door, the girls just sit around on their couches and the guys have to approach them to ask for a massage. The girls are glad to give the white guys massages, but they aren't aggressively approaching the white guys. However, if a Japanese guy walks in, the girls all jump up and gather around the guy as if he's a rock star. And it's not just one particular Japanese guy, it's all of them. The Japanese guys normally pick a girl within a few seconds, take her to the back room and are done and walking out within 15 minutes. The white guys come in, have a beer or two while waiting to select a girl (this is why the girls don't approach the white guys, they don't want to sit there with him while he drinks his beer when they could possibly be going to the back room during that time with a different customer), then when they go back to the room with the girl they take the full hour.While this may be the situation in this particular instance, I think the majority of Asian customers including Thai will sit and drink for a very long time, often more than farangs. They prefer the socialization aspect of the service. They also like to take the girl out of the bar and to a Karaoke establishment or out to a restaurant / bar. The whole quick-shooting Asian stereotype comes down to a couple of factors. 1) Asians tend to not be into masturbation as much as farangs so they often pre-maturely ejaculate at the beginning of their trips but then again so do a lot of farangs. I often find it fascinating when farangs tell me that they jerk off before going to a bar to meet a girl just so the sex can be longer.
2) Asians are also not as demanding in the sense that they do not see the need to prolong the act just to satisfy some notion that the best service only happens when you get more than you pay for. Asians are totally fine and even prefer the lady to just do her thing and if she is skilled there are very few guys, farang or Asian, who won't cum fairly quickly. I often hear bargirls complain about this when they talk about farang customers. They say that the guys want to pay 20 year old prices and the try and force a lot of acts like DATY and making out for 20-30 minutes and then they want to just pound away for 30 minutes often stopping so they don't cum. Or, they end up cumming early just so they can try and sneak in a 2nd pop before the session is over.
Having a discussion with a bar (not a gogo) waitress I have known long time last night. She is not available for P4 P. Strangely she was moving to very sexual topics, especially at first Japanese sex expressions like the girl has to scream "ee-tai ee-tai" means "oh (that dick) hurts so much". LOL I forget the Japanese one now for "I am coming". After a glass of wine, she became very open and started discussing her sex problems. Her French sex partner apparently comes after 10 minutes or starts to go limp when she rides him Cowgirl, so she regularly fails to get her cum. Yet she does not want to change to a new guy that performs better.
So I had to advise her, that men are often ignorant and need training. She needs to teach him how to pleasure her, especially DATY I think before he gets his dick in. Also I thought she needs to dose him up on Viagra so his dick will stay hard for long enough to reach her orgasm in cowgirl or whatever. Not easy for me, a very slow to cum guy, to give advice for handling guys who last only 10 minutes. I think she needs him to perform for at least 30 minutes. I think the Viagra should work. He might need alcohol to dampen his sensation level so he does not cum too quick, maybe. Not sure if alcohol would help or worsen the situation.
She knows I am mongering with bargirls, and strangely that made her think that my Mrs, must be an old fat over the hill woman, which is far from the case. She was very surprised to see pics of my Mrs were not at all like what she was expecting. She had to be puzzled. Why am I mongering when have a hot wife? Lack of quantity is actually the main problem. Variety is less of an issue.
Grandaddy Perp
05-25-17, 07:35
Having a discussion with a bar (not a gogo) waitress I have known long time last night. She is not available for P4 P. Strangely she was moving to very sexual topics, especially at first Japanese sex expressions like the girl has to scream "ee-tai ee-tai" means "oh (that dick) hurts so much".
It actually is more close in meaning to when a Western woman says 'oh my god' during sex. Its more of a signified of excess pleasure as apposed to excruciating pain.
I went through a Japanese phase so I would hang out in cafes around Thong lor and Ekamai during the day. A lot of Japanese women frequent these places and are quite friendly / bored / lonely. Most are either expats or wives / GFs of expats so they have some English communication skills. When I've had the opportunity to hook up with them they would often make these sounds and it had nothing to do with my size because they also make the noise when they are being pleasured orally.
Actually a lot of the Asian customers actually do want to take the girl out for a date as they are lonely. I think less about race, it's more like this: Guys in groups will fuck a girl ST and then regroup with their bros. Why hangout with a prostitute, especially one who can't even speak your language, when have company that is far more fun to be with. Japanese guys often do P4 P in groups of about 4. 4 means 4 x the amount of income to go around between the girls some money out of approaching this group, so much more of a chance that they will get money instead of fighting over a single lone guy who walks in. Also Japanese guys have to preserve / gain face so spending money and not-appearing below a working girl (haggling with her) is important in presence of their peers.
Grandaddy Perp
05-25-17, 10:43
She knows I am mongering with bargirls, and strangely that made her think that my Mrs, must be an old fat over the hill woman, which is far from the case. She was very surprised to see pics of my Mrs were not at all like what she was expecting. She had to be puzzled. Why am I mongering when have a hot wife? Lack of quantity is actually the main problem. Variety is less of an issue.Its more than likely something else. Its pretty much common knowledge that men in general are horn dogs and will want something different / new and there are not too many women out there that understand this more than Thai women. I think her assumption has more to do with you being an older farang (assumption based off of your posting) who has a Thai wife. Its a fairly rare occurrence to see an older farang with an attractive Thai partner especially from a Thai spec point of view.
Yep. And this has been pointed out many times on this forum over the years.
Girls prefer Japanese because of the 333 rule with Japanese men. 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht.
Who can blame them?I heard that they spend 3 times as much, have 3 inches, and finish in 3 minutes. Either way. They seem to be the prize customers for these girls.
Actually a lot of the Asian customers actually do want to take the girl out for a date as they are lonely. I think less about race.
Guys in groups will fuck a girl ST and then regroup with their bros. Why hangout with a prostitute, especially one who can't even speak your language, when have company that is far more fun to be with. Japanese guys often do P4 P in groups of about 4. 4 means 4 x the amount of income to go around between the girls some money out of approaching this group, so much more of a chance that they will get money instead of fighting over a single lone guy who walks in. Also Japanese guys have to preserve / gain face so spending money and not-appearing below a working girl (haggling with her) is important in presence of their peers. It's not race because it's not all "Asian" customers. It's Japanese only. You won't get the same response from the girls regarding Chinese customers. I do agree with the rest and that it's a cultural thing. Japanese guys seem to have no qualms about paying more than market price.
I remember the first time I went to Bangkok and found out that many establishments allow "Japanese Only". I was disappointed in that because I saw some very nice honeys going into those places. You don't find a place that is "white guys only" or any other race or nationality for that matter. Just Japanese only places. If I were Thai, I'd want a Japanese only place as well. They spend the most money.
Its more than likely something else. Its pretty much common knowledge that men in general are horn dogs and will want something different / new and there are not too many women out there that understand this more than Thai women. I think her assumption has more to do with you being an older farang (assumption based off of your posting) who has a Thai wife. Its a fairly rare occurrence to see an older farang with an attractive Thai partner especially from a Thai spec point of view.Yes I am about 23 years older than the missus. Not too decrepit for my age and far less gut than most Farangs I see at the pub. Divide (age) by 2 and add 7 rule works out about right for me. Maybe in 10 years, she will be too old. LOL I assumed her skin was too dark (mid tone) for Thais to really think she is hot, but nice curves.
I am not needing something new all time. So perhaps not the average horndog. I can get bored with girls, but it is usually only when their service or attitude declines, or they just stop giving a fuck often enough. Not just because I want a different one. I really prefer very reliable girls with stamina who like extended sex. Unfortunately my Mrs is very nice but very sensitive and only moderate stamina. A sign of weakness. She probably needs to work out in a Gym.
Franciscass,
We're in the same boat. There's something un-natural for me to see an Asian with a nose job. Instant turn off. However there's also other choices I. E keep searching, do a fugly or the old standby of the twin sisters. Palmela and Fistina. Keep it up!I like your handle. Sort of Rhymes with Octopus I guess. I really try to give up wanking, as it is not good for normal sex performance at all. Just adds to difficulties to cum.
I can't do fuglies, so fortunately there are still some natural noses around, even the odd fake but good one. I only have one regular girl with a nose job, so I think that is an indicator of how rare the really good jobs actually are in the P4 P community. Even some stars of TV Soapy dramas have bad sill looking nose jobs for me.
The big mystery is why Thais are conditioned to think a higher nose ridge is more beautiful. I just have not been able to fathom that at all. Some girls are really overdoing the surgeries, and have had face adjusted several times. I really can't get turned on by girls starting to look like ladyboys or like aliens, especially prevalent in Bacarra but also starting to show up in Crazy House and many bars. Soapies are full of them unfortunately.
My recent trip to Cambodia found a bar with 20 girls, and not one had a nose job. I guess they just can't afford it over there. Only 1 or 2 the 20 actually looked very attractive to me, so natural nose is definitely not the complete answer. It maybe a case of what type of girl looks you get used to.
Because I arrived in Thailand 25 years ago, and at that time knew only Thai girls without nose jobs, I think I got used to a certain type of look for Thai girls, and has been hard for me to adapt.
I am not going to complain if a girl has a really good nose job, however I will still certainly suspect it, rather than be blissfully unaware. I find myself not going back to Can Cam massage in a hurry though, so although my last girl there was attractive and good service, she had a very good nose job (made me unsure if was real or not), and not quite so realistic tit job. A little too convex on the top. If all natural, I am sure I would have been back for her by now.
My recent trip to Cambodia found a bar with 20 girls, and not one had a nose job. As much as you complain about nose jobs, why stay in Thailand? Thailand is the only country in Southeast Asia with an abundance of nose jobs.
It's not race because it's not all "Asian" customers. It's Japanese only. You won't get the same response from the girls regarding Chinese customers. I do agree with the rest and that it's a cultural thing. Japanese guys seem to have no qualms about paying more than market price.
I remember the first time I went to Bangkok and found out that many establishments allow "Japanese Only". I was disappointed in that because I saw some very nice honeys going into those places. You don't find a place that is "white guys only" or any other race or nationality for that matter. Just Japanese only places. If I were Thai, I'd want a Japanese only place as well. They spend the most money.It is just all down to their capacity of X-raying the customer wallet and spending attitude.
Surely Japanese and Koreans, basing their P4 P approach to home (f* expensive with little return), will get the preference.
Go to "snack bar" in Japan or a whisky bar lounge in Korea and you get the clue. Spend a lot of money to fill the girl glass. She will smile, flirt verbally and that is pretty much about it, yo can't even see (don't even mention touch) their bodies.
Go to a Thai gogo in bkk and you get naked or semi naked girls, looking much Japanese, letting you touch them and drink for a fraction of what you spend in Seoul or Tokyo. A ST, no matter of what happens in the room with the 3-3-3 rule, will also cost a fraction than home, even in the case the girl, extort 2-3 times the standard western monger rate.
As much as you complain about nose jobs, why stay in Thailand? Thailand is the only country in Southeast Asia with an abundance of nose jobs.Today I went for a short 5 or 10 min walk to On Nut BTS area to buy food. I spotted 5 very cute girls for my taste, all highly desirable, all natural looking. So Thailand is not devoid of nice natural girls. It's just a question of looking in the right place for them.
20+ years ago, I had all I could want at Chao Praya 2 Soapy. These days the higher class Soapies are slim pickings for me, and the bargain basement soapies are having a higher percentage of natural girls, so still useable.
Even a mid range Soapy like Emannuelle, will have some natural very pretty girls, just a low percentage.
I also just have to choose bars that have relatively few surgeries girls. They still exist, but shrinking. I can still find the odd non adjusted girl in the Oilies as well.
Since my method relies a lot on collected regular repeat girls, I just have to hope they won't get a nose job. One is about to get a nose job, and tells me, if I don't like it, I can just quit seeing her. I have to hope her result comes out acceptable. It's really only the bad (weird looking) nose jobs I can't tolerate, which seems close to 90% in the Soapies and bars like Bacarra.
I still do a nose job girl from Crazy House regularly. Her's is good enough to pass easily. She is fortunate it turned out so well. So I don't exclude girls purely due to surgeries. It is really a case of how strange they look. Badly convex bulbous tits, that I refer to as coconuts, or very hard tits, do nothing for me either. The true shape should be slightly concave on top to the nipple and convex underneath.
My preferred Thai girl look is not at all like a westernised look.
It remains a mystery to me forever why any girl would think a higher nose ridge looks more beautiful, if the tip is not too flat. I do understand reduction of the width for wide flattish noses. If a girl changes from am upturned nose to a high ridge hooked or down turned nose, I am very disappointed. Very sharp ridge noses like bird beaks are ugly (a la Michael Jackson), as are noses turned up so much that the nostrils show too much like a pig nose. These are just the most common nose job problems. Another problem is nostril edges that looked chewed up (not at all smooth like originally), and lumpy noses.
I am surprised that so any guys can fail to detect nose jobs so obvious to me, without me even specifically thinking about it. Same goes for guys who were unsure if the girls tits were real or fake. LOL The percentage of almost undetectable tit jobs is really quite low.
What's a Thai working girl's view on public sex / indecency these days? Not anything like full on fucking in public view or anything. Think like, out-of-view fingering, and public bathroom fucking.
I can't find any English resources on Thai laws on it. Any help?
I saw one article where a foreign couple got caught and photographed next to a busy public street, full on, and there was a whole news spectacle. They got a 2 k THB fine, but got taken to the station and had to partake in a public apology, with a whole ceremony. I'd like to avoid that. Doable? How much would that on-the-spot "fine" be? Just in case.
Grandaddy Perp
05-30-17, 06:53
What's a Thai working girl's view on public sex / indecency these days? Not anything like full on fucking in public view or anything. Think like, out-of-view fingering, and public bathroom fucking.
I can't find any English resources on Thai laws on it. Any help?
I saw one article where a foreign couple got caught and photographed next to a busy public street, full on, and there was a whole news spectacle. They got a 2 k THB fine, but got taken to the station and had to partake in a public apology, with a whole ceremony. I'd like to avoid that. Doable? How much would that on-the-spot "fine" be? Just in case.Depends on the lady but even today, I think the majority still maintain a more elevated level of modesty than other cultures. Influential substances, and the establishment can change this somewhat in your favor. I tend to find that the two specific activities that you mention in your opening are not something that most will feel comfortable with in another place outside of Nana or Cowboy. I guess you could ask them before BF'ing or when making arrangements through other channels.
What's a Thai working girl's view on public sex / indecency these days? Not anything like full on fucking in public view or anything. Think like, out-of-view fingering, and public bathroom fucking.
I can't find any English resources on Thai laws on it. Any help?
I saw one article where a foreign couple got caught and photographed next to a busy public street, full on, and there was a whole news spectacle. They got a 2 k THB fine, but got taken to the station and had to partake in a public apology, with a whole ceremony. I'd like to avoid that. Doable? How much would that on-the-spot "fine" be? Just in case.You really ask some weird things. Ask the girls themselves these questions.
Thai girls generally are not into public sex. However you can fuck girls in the public bar at the Star of Light in Pat Pong. I have done so many years ago and they tell me it is still an option if you can find a girl there that is fuckable.
Thai girls generally don't like to kiss in public either, however I saw a western guy going full on kissing of a girl outside 7 Eleven at 2 am the other night, so times are changing. She probably wasn't keen but did not totally prevent him.
Ladyboys will do anything I guess. They are not shy.
OldGentleman
06-10-17, 15:46
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
I am planning to visit Mitu (do I have to climb lots of stairs as read). Club 102, addict, soapy at rachda, girls from smooci.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Thanks guys.
This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.Legit massage shop near T21: http://healthlandspa.com/asoke/. Reasonably priced if you just go for an oily / foot / Thai massage and skip the spa level treatments.
SL.
Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry {Snip} shop.
Yes. If you can be bothered there is a place on Soi 13 on the right side of the Soi opposite the Radisson hotel who does laundry on a three hour turnaround basis.
13.744396, 100.558051.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Yes, many. Try Pantip Plaza for a start.
13.751081, 100.537534.
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
Thanks guys.There is a laundry on Sukhumvit a few meters before Soi 18 (5 minutes from t21).
For manicure and pedicure you can go in Soi 5 at the corner in front of Gulliver's.
For the legit massage there is a good one at the entrance of Soi 20 , the second massage shop on the right side of the Soi.
SirWilliam4
06-11-17, 06:14
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
Thanks guys.Tarntip Massage on Suk Soi 7/1 is excellent for straight massage. Best I've found in BKK.
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
I am planning to visit Mitu (do I have to climb lots of stairs as read). Club 102, addict, soapy at rachda, girls from smooci.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Thanks guys.I used to use a Laundry in Soi 19. It was only a few shops down on the left once get past the Westin Hotel / Robison store. Was in the back of another shop like a travel agent maybe. Unfortunately I can't guarantee it is still there. The girl that worked there was learning English and quite Hot. LOL I think she had a Farang boyfriend or two.
https://goo.gl/maps/zJavVanr1AN2 I think the blurred purple sign may be the Laundry menu of prices. Could be wrong as a I can't quite read the sign. However 80% chance I am right.
There should be laundries in many Sois off Sukhumvit. Don't have to go far at all. Just do a Google Maps search for laundries and use street view to make sure the marker is in correct location.
Soi 19 has a lot of massage shops. I never wanted a real massage so cannot advise. Never wanted a pedicure or manicure as well but would be surprised if cannot find that real close.
AussieDoug
06-11-17, 11:57
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
I am planning to visit Mitu (do I have to climb lots of stairs as read). Club 102, addict, soapy at rachda, girls from smooci.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Thanks guys.Laundry and manicure / pedicure side by side in Soi 5, legit massage also around there, but I never try massage, does nought for me. Phram 9 on the underground has a big electronics mall.
Laundry and manicure / pedicure side by side in Soi 5, legit massage also around there, but I never try massage, does nought for me. Phram 9 on the underground has a big electronics mall.He means there is big electronics area in Fortune Town on West side of Ratchadaphisek road and can get there by MRT underground rail to Phra Raam 9 (Rama 9 in English) station. Probably the easiest one to get to.
Phanthip Plaza is another big electronic and computer mall. Also have a large section at Seacon Square.
I used to use a Laundry in Soi 19. It was only a few shops down on the left once get past the Westin Hotel / Robison store. Was in the back of another shop like a travel agent maybe. Unfortunately I can't guarantee it is still there. The girl that worked there was learning English and quite Hot. LOL I think she had a Farang boyfriend or two.
https://goo.gl/maps/zJavVanr1AN2 I think the blurred purple sign may be the Laundry menu of prices. Could be wrong as a I can't quite read the sign. However 80% chance I am right.
There should be laundries in many Sois off Sukhumvit. Don't have to go far at all. Just do a Google Maps search for laundries and use street view to make sure the marker is in correct location.
Soi 19 has a lot of massage shops. I never wanted a real massage so cannot advise. Never wanted a pedicure or manicure as well but would be surprised if cannot find that real close.That laundry is still open and you're right, that sign has the menu of prices on it. Pretty reasonable and you can get same day service if you bring it in early enough. There are probably ten legit massage shops within a block of this laundry also. I prefer Healthland since they have a whole menu of spa treatments also.
The question of how to spend a short "lay over" at BKK airport comes up often. I just had a short layover and decided to "take one for the team" to see what could happen in 4 hours. The itinerary:
--Arrived on a Thai domestic flight at about 5:30 pm. Boarding time for the international flight was 9:30 pm.
--Collected luggage and checked it in at Thai international. I was flying business class so departure waits at security and immigration are nonexistent. I had collected my boarding pass by 6 pm.
--Cleared the airport by 6:15 pm, using train link to Phaya Thai station. Airport link takes a bit more than 30 minutes to BTS connection. FYI for future travelers, the airport link has 8 stations, including Phaya Thai and Suvarnabhumi.
--Took BTS to Nana about 15 minutes. Made sure I had baht coins (31 baht) to avoid waiting in the lines for change.
-- Arrived Nana BTS at a little after 7 pm.
This is the point where I got lazy and decided against visiting Bamboo or continuing the additional stops to Phrom Phong or Thong Lor. (In my own defense, I had been royally laid that morning and didn't have the urgent need. Plus, I needed to hit duty free.) So I paid a visit to the BJ shop whose name must not be mentioned here. I spent about 30 minutes with a cute young thing (really- somewhat flat chested but quite pretty). I could have spent an hour, maybe 90 minutes at Bamboo or an hour at one of the soi 24 oilies. (Additional BTS travel time to / from Phrom Phong would make 90 minutes problematic.).
The return trip to the airport took about an hour, arrived at 8:30 pm Made my duty free purchases, swilled a couple drinks and boarded my flight.
So, I think 4 hours is a bare minimum time for getting laid on a layover and many things have to come together for that to happen.
Things to keep in mind: 1), because I had business class privileges I didn't have to worry about waiting in check-in line, clearing immigration time, and the upstairs security check; 2) traffic on both the airport highway and Sukhumvit was horrible. Taking a taxi would have been a disaster. 3) The train gods were smiling on me at each connection and I waited less than 5 minutes for both the airport link train rides and less than one minute for the BTS rides. 4) I had Thai coins for the BTS fares 31 baht from Phaya Thai station to Nana.
I hope this report is helpful in answering questions about what's possible in a short layover.
Robert Long
06-17-17, 07:47
That laundry is still open and you're right, that sign has the menu of prices on it. Pretty reasonable and you can get same day service if you bring it in early enough. There are probably ten legit massage shops within a block of this laundry also. I prefer Healthland since they have a whole menu of spa treatments also.I stay on Soi 19 when in BKK. All of those Massage shops are full service. The problem is the personnel have a lot to be desired. I found one and she was a 6 and gave a great massage and took off all her clothes and supplied the condom. She wanted 3000 and I refused so she went down to 2000. The massage was better than the sex. Live and learn. The only way you know is from experience.
RL.
HorseTrader
06-18-17, 17:27
I stay on Soi 19 when in BKK. All of those Massage shops are full service. The problem is the personnel have a lot to be desired. I found one and she was a 6 and gave a great massage and took off all her clothes and supplied the condom. She wanted 3000 and I refused so she went down to 2000. The massage was better than the sex. Live and learn. The only way you know is from experience.
RL.I haven't looked at the Soi 19 massage shops, perhaps they are better than the ones at Soi 11 where I paid between 1400 and 1800 baht for massage, BJ, and sex. Some girls are better performers than others. I found nothing better than a 6, maybe a 7.
Can anyone recommend a good place to meet students? Also, has anyone had success in meeting young beauties in shopping malls? Which ones?
Some time ago, someone claimed that Tom Yum contains coconut milk which is not correct (made with evaporated milk in the non clear variety of Tom Yum). However some might be interested to know there is a Thai version of Malaysian / Indo Laksa made WITH coconut milk.
Found this on the internet:
"Thai Laksa: The Thai laksa is quite common dish in Southern Thailand; the dish is probably influenced by its neighbor the Malaysian laksa lemak or curry laksa. Thai laksa employs red curry paste, chicken broth and coconut milk, hence it can be categorized as curry laksa, and yet it demonstrate some similar traits of Thai favourite tom yum goong, such as generous amount of lemongrass, prawns and button mushrooms. Thai laksa uses rice noodles, garlic, lemongrass, ginger, red curry paste, chicken stock, soy sauce, sugar, coconut milk, prawns, button mushrooms, spinach, lime juice, coriander and onions".
Personally I prefer without the coconut milk, or a very low amount, just personal taste. If Tom yum has coconut milk added, it no longer tastes like Tom Yum at all, and is more like a Laksa dish.
The taste of Thai "Gaeng Garee" (yellow-brown curry) is not far different to a Malaysian Laksa except it is thick curry not runny and has no noodles. I go for "Bpoo Phat Phong Garee" (stir fried crab in yellow-brown curry paste and a little cream).
HorneeFalang
06-19-17, 16:02
Can anyone recommend a good place to meet students? Also, has anyone had success in meeting young beauties in shopping malls? Which ones?Go for a walk in one of the University cafeterias and take a look around. Aim for between 11:45-1:00 PM. Many fine dishes on offer. Any shopping Mall. Look for sellers that are trying to get you to try moisture cream or other products that need to be applied to the skin. Once she has your hand in hers it's a great start. I have had success with this in particular, it's easy to get the conversation rolling along. Don't be shy. Get to the point quickly and if no positive response move on.
WarmStone25
06-19-17, 18:03
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
I am planning to visit Mitu (do I have to climb lots of stairs as read). Club 102, addict, soapy at rachda, girls from smooci.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Thanks guys.Try Lavana on Soi12.
WarmStone25
06-19-17, 18:08
Dear friends,
Thanks for all wonderful inputs. This time I am staying around terminal 21. Can you guys suggest economical 1 laundry 2 manicure, pedicure shop 3 legitimate massage shop.
I am planning to visit Mitu (do I have to climb lots of stairs as read). Club 102, addict, soapy at rachda, girls from smooci.
Can I get original electronics gadgets at Bangkok if so which mall.
Thanks guys.Lavana, on Soi 12, is for good legit massage, this is what I meant. When I went to Mitu, I was taken to the top of the house up a lot of stairs. I do not know if they have rooms on the ground floor.
Planning a ten day visit for my first time. I don't care about sight seeing, just looking for ease of access and quality of girl.
I've had quality fun in all three but would probably split between Bangkok (Sukhumvit area or Patong) and Pattaya.
Planning a ten day visit for my first time. I don't care about sight seeing, just looking for ease of access and quality of girl..
Hotman 666
06-26-17, 22:19
Planning a ten day visit for my first time. I don't care about sight seeing, just looking for ease of access and quality of girl.One vote for Pattaya.
Enjoy,
Hotman.
Planning a ten day visit for my first time. I don't care about sight seeing, just looking for ease of access and quality of girl.For a first trip I would be thinking 5 nights Bangkok and 5 nights Pattaya. They are different scenes / vibes and since YOU WILL want to return to Thailand good to figure out which one you prefer. An easy transfer between cities if you get bored of one or end up preferring the other. Just don't prepay your hotel in order to maintain flexibility. I normally land BKK and hit Bangkok first (quick / easy into town) then Pattaya later.
SL.
I tried boots at the pharmacy in.
Jasmine hotel corner of soi cowboy.
They don't sell cialis and asked me to go to clinic.
Any other place. I do not want roadside stuff.
Thank you in advance.
G.
Member #4611
06-29-17, 20:07
I tried boots at the pharmacy in.
Jasmine hotel corner of soi cowboy.
They don't sell cialis and asked me to go to clinic.
Any other place. I do not want roadside stuff.
Thank you in advance.
G.Southeast Pharmacy next door but one to Thermae sells the generic version and possibly the original. Has a guy selling copy watches to the left of the front door most of the time.
FK.
Crocodilexp
06-29-17, 22:01
I tried boots at the pharmacy in.
Jasmine hotel corner of soi cowboy.
They don't sell cialis and asked me to go to clinic.
Any other place. I do not want roadside stuff.
Thank you in advance.
G.Don't try at Boots or Watson.
Most of the small non-chain pharmacies.
Stock some of the ED medicines without prescription.
Though you might have to ask.
At several of them.
And it's good if you know the target price.
Beforehand so they can't overcharge you.
By too much.
Hope you enjoy.
Haiku.
Member #4698
06-29-17, 22:58
Although I prefer to buy my vitamin V & Cee in Jakarta or Makati in air conditioned well known chain Pharmacies, once in a while I do make a purchase in BKK at Charoen Pharmacy.
Go to the intersection of Soi 4 and Sukhumvit. Walk west along Sukhumvit towards the Marriott. You can't miss the two pharmacies on your left. They are both just past the gas station. First there is J.R. Pharmacy. This is a great place to buy Sagami 0. 02 Large condoms by the box. The 2nd pharmacy is Charoen Pharmacy. They do not stock Sagami's, but they carry genuine pharmaceutical Viagra & Cialis as well as the generics for a lot less. The choice is up to you. Just ask and they will tell you the comparative costs. I prefer dealing with the old man instead of his taciturn wife, but either way you will get what you came for at a reasonable price in any quantity you want.
I tried boots at the pharmacy in.
Jasmine hotel corner of soi cowboy.
They don't sell cialis and asked me to go to clinic.
Any other place. I do not want roadside stuff.
Thank you in advance.
G.Not a consumer of these pharma's but have read enough ISG reports over the years. My 2 cents:
1) The real thing in a legit shop might cost 300 baht per pill, where as generics might cost 50 baht per dose (gel). IMO give the generics a try.
2) The pharma in Foodland on Suk 5 was reported to have decent prices for generics. Easy to compare prices with the Soi 4 shops as they are in the same neighborhood.
3) Smart to stay away from the roadside stuff.
SL.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/girls-dessert-thai-sex-scandal-exposes-grim-tradition-041553226.html
'Girls as dessert': Thai sex scandal exposes grim tradition.
Sally MAIRS.
AFP NewsJune 25,2017.
When senior bureaucrats visited the remote Thai province where local official Boonyarit worked, the routine was often the same: welcome them with the finest food and drink and then bring out the teen girls, often referred to as "dessert".
The tradition -- known by the euphemistic Thai phrase "treat to food, lay down the mat" -- refers to the expectation that underlings lavish superiors and VIPs with local delicacies, top-notch accommodation and sex services.
Until recently the most sinister part of that tradition, the procurement of [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls, was well-known but rarely discussed.
Yet a trafficking scandal involving teens, police and officials in Boonyarit's province has flung the practice onto the nation's front pages, prompting calls to root out a culture that helps fuel the kingdom's infamous flesh trade.
While Thailand is known globally for flashy red-light districts that cater to foreigners, the bulk of its sprawling sex industry is geared mostly towards locals.
"This tradition became common a long time ago," explained Boonyarit Nipavanit, a district official in Mae Hong Son, a poor and rugged province in the mountainous north.
"When groups of senior officials come for seminars or work trips, there is a custom of 'treating them', which means welcoming them with food, and then 'laying down the mat,' which means providing girls," he told AFP.
"Sometimes we received information about what type of girls they liked. Sometimes officials had to prepare five to ten women for a senior to chose from. ".
- 'She is a present' -.
Boonyarit is comfortable speaking freely about the practice now that detectives have opened 41 cases into an alleged police-run prostitution network in his province.
The probe was launched after the mother of a victim fled to Bangkok and told the media that her then 17-year-old daughter and other teens were blackmailed into sex work and forced to entertain officials and cops.
Some of the victims, she said, were branded with owl tattoos by the gangmasters as a kind of ownership stamp.
Under pressure from the press, national police arrested a Mae Hong Son police sergeant accused of trafficking girls into the sex ring and charged eight other officers with sleeping with the minors.
Five administrators from central Nonthaburi province have also been charged for allegedly hiring the teens with government funds during an official visit to Mae Hong Son.
"Since this story broke, many officials feel relieved that we don't have to do it anymore," said Boonyarit.
But the so-called tradition is far from unique to Mae Hong Son.
Trafficking experts say it is widespread in a hierarchial country where subordinates -- both in government and the private sector -- are expected to pamper bosses to hold onto jobs or move up the career ladder.
"We don't have a merit system in the bureaucracy, we have to bribe our bosses," explained Lakkana Punwichai, a Thai columnist covering social issues.
The practise of arranging sex for superiors comes from "a culture that sees girls not as human beings but as property", she added.
"She is a present. She is the same as food, as beautiful clothes -- something that has a price. ".
- Protecting the boss -.
Many sex trafficking victims are too fearful to come forward when it is powerful figures who control or patronise the business -- especially in rural areas like Mae Hong Son, where social networks are small.
Local authorities are also under pressure to protect their own.
That was the case in Mae Hong Son, where police initially tried to bury the accusations made by the whistleblowing mother, who has requested anonymity and is now under government protection in Bangkok.
"She was asked to compromise the case by some (local) police," her lawyer told AFP.
In the wake of the Mae Hong Son scandal, Thailand's Social Development Ministry said it would "lead by example" as an agency "opposed to the 'treat to food, lay down the mat' practice".
Anti-trafficking police also vowed to accelerate a crackdown on the flesh trade.
Last week a task force arrested three local officials from northeastern Nakhon Ratchasima province accused of having sex with teen girls -- some as young as 14 -- who were trafficked into an [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) prostitution ring.
But experts say it is almost always only low-level pimps or officials who are punished.
"After police rescue the girls and handlers, they never expand the case," said Ronnasit Proeksayajiva from anti-trafficking NGO Nvader.
"They never investigate more about who the customers are. ".
Eszpresszo
06-30-17, 02:27
3) Smart to stay away from the roadside stuff.
SL.The Kamagra gel I bought on Sukhumvit last year worked great for me, and it was cheap. Don't know about the small boxes of pills. Most things I got off the streets of Thailand worked well for me.
Any other place. I do not want roadside stuff.
G.Try Southeast Pharmacy at the corner of Soi 15 on the way up Sukhumvit towards Terminal 21. Good value generics (sildenafil, tadalafil), and gels and tabs available. Proper pharmacy which appears well reviewed, with branded products too if you prefer.
Good stuff. Thank you everyone.
When in Thailand. . you need a suppliment to keep up.
I will check it out this evening and report if it is available.
Regards.
G.
Try Southeast Pharmacy at the corner of Soi 15 on the way up Sukhumvit towards Terminal 21. Good value generics (sildenafil, tadalafil), and gels and tabs available. Proper pharmacy which appears well reviewed, with branded products too if you prefer.
Thanks to all the seniors for the tip.
I walked up from terminal 21 (on your right) towards nana. And found IS Pharmacy. This is bang opposite times square. They sell original see and V. 5 MG usually last me a couple of days. I just need that little bit slef confidence in the pill kind of support. LOL. Anyway at KS Pharmacy a box of 5 MG cialis dailies costs THB4200 .
I just wanted to check the price at South East pharmacy and they sell the same at THB 5500. Now this is interesting price difference.
Both of them claim that they sell the original. I asked for a receipt and in the receipt it had cialis original.
Anyway I bought the stuff at KS Pharmacy.
No questions asked. Simple transaction.
Enjoy.
G.
Crazy4Thai
06-30-17, 15:18
Thanks to all the seniors for the tip.
I walked up from terminal 21 (on your right) towards nana. And found IS Pharmacy. This is bang opposite times square. They sell original see and V. 5 MG usually last me a couple of days. I just need that little bit slef confidence in the pill kind of support. LOL. Anyway at KS Pharmacy a box of 5 MG cialis dailies costs THB4200 .
I just wanted to check the price at South East pharmacy and they sell the same at THB 5500. Now this is interesting price difference.
Both of them claim that they sell the original. I asked for a receipt and in the receipt it had cialis original.
Anyway I bought the stuff at KS Pharmacy.
No questions asked. Simple transaction.
Enjoy.
G.I also encourage you to ask straight out for a generic version. You will save considerable money and get the same boost to your confidence. I bought 6 boxes of 4, 20 MG. , generic Cialis for 2000 baht. I was in Pattaya at the time but that does not matter.
For a first trip I would be thinking 5 nights Bangkok and 5 nights Pattaya. They are different scenes / vibes and since YOU WILL want to return to Thailand good to figure out which one you prefer. An easy transfer between cities if you get bored of one or end up preferring the other. Just don't prepay your hotel in order to maintain flexibility. I normally land BKK and hit Bangkok first (quick / easy into town) then Pattaya later.
SL.Thanks for the suggestions! I ended up booking in Pattaya for the end of July. I was worried about splitting the trip up and getting tricky. So I'll be a few blocks from walking street, hopefully it's not as bad as recent reports!
Is there a thread suggestion for other aspects of travel? Like should I carry cash? Traveler's checks? I would prefer to do everything credit card, but I doubt the ladies take amex And other traveling suggestions like learning Thai phrases?
I walked up from terminal 21 (on your right) towards nana. And found IS Pharmacy. This is bang opposite times square. They sell original see and V. 5 MG usually last me a couple of days. I just need that little bit slef confidence in the pill kind of support. LOL. Anyway at KS Pharmacy a box of 5 MG cialis dailies costs THB4200 .
I just wanted to check the price at South East pharmacy and they sell the same at THB 5500. Now this is interesting price difference.Good you found what you were looking for, and had an easy transaction that you were happy with. How many pills came in the box you bought?
Price differences like this are not uncommon in Thailand, that is why it pays to shop around a little.
SL.
Wolvenvacht
07-01-17, 12:28
Is there a thread suggestion for other aspects of travel? Like should I carry cash? Traveler's checks? I would prefer to do everything credit card, but I doubt the ladies take amex And other traveling suggestions like learning Thai phrases?I carry mostly cash in big bills such as EUR 500 as that gives a slighly better exchange rate and is less bulky to carry. Hotels and upscale restaurants get paid with my credit card. I have a debit card for back-up but the ATM costs are crippling and the maximum amount you can withdraw at one time seems to get lower and lower. 10000 baht is as much I can withdraw in one go and that won't last long.
Crocodilexp
07-01-17, 13:13
10000 baht is as much I can withdraw in one go and that won't last long.That is most the daily ATM limit from your own bank. You can call them and have it increased to 20 k or 30 k equivalent in your home currency.
Thai ATMs usually limit you to 20 k baht per withdrawal, which with 200 baht fee works out to 1%, plus whatever your own bank charges (there's usually an explicit fee, as well as a percentage they take which could be more difficult to spot). You're right that fees are high, Thai ATM fee alone is already 2/3 of the minimum daily wage here.
Banana Boi
07-01-17, 13:34
Money withdrawal discussion. Good topic.
Not positive these are the current amounts but AFAIK these are the Thai banks that allow the highest single withdrawal limits. I believe you also have to ensure that your home bank is set for $1000 limit as well.
Krungsri Bank: Maximum withdrawal limit 30'000 THB.
Thai Military Bank: Maximum withdrawal limit 30'000 THB.
CIMB Bank: Maximum withdrawal limit 30'000 THB.
Bangkok Bank: Maximum withdrawal limit 25'000 THB.
I haven't tried either of these suggestions below yet but definitely will try soon:
1. go inside the bank to a human bank teller to avoid the Thai ATM fee (200-250 baht) completely. The bigger bonus is there is no withdrawal limit.
2. Wire transfer money to yourself. My require a bit of calculating but may be cheaper to use a money exchange and pay their fee than to pay both an ATM fee along with another higher ridiculous fee from your home bank (for those who are not lucky enough to be from the US and have a Charles Schwab account). No Thai banks are on the global ATM system.
Any other suggestions that could save me at least $20 per week would be much appreciated.
Really curious to hear what other non tourists like BKKdog, Mr. E, and Syzy are doing.
Is there a thread suggestion for other aspects of travel? Like should I carry cash? Traveler's checks? I would prefer to do everything credit card, but I doubt the ladies take amex And other traveling suggestions like learning Thai phrases?Thailand is much more of a cash based economy. Besides hotels, and upscale shops and restaurants, expect to pay cash. Using credit cards is not common for small purchases like 7-11 / Starbucks / taxis much less go-go's and massage parlors.
Have pristine high denomination bills from you home currency to exchange. Exchange only enough at the airport to get you to your initial destination. The airport exchange rate is poor, far better in town.
Always try to have lots of smaller currency baht notes, and pay in exact change if possible. Trying to pay for a 50 baht street meal with a 1,000 note does not work. Negotiating hard with a street vendor down to 250 baht only to produce a 1,000 baht note does not really work. Hotels will break your large bills, and use larger bills when making small purchases at busy shops that have a cash register like 7-11.
SL.
Crazy4Thai
07-01-17, 16:47
Money withdrawal discussion. Good topic.
Any other suggestions that could save me at least $20 per week would be much appreciated.
Really curious to hear what other non tourists like BKKdog, Mr. E, and Syzy are doing.My Visa debit works as a CC and all fees are refunded to my savings account. I set this up through an account with Fidelity. I understand that Schwaab offers a similar card. With a $500 daily withdrawal limit it saves me perhaps $12 a week.
Eszpresszo
07-01-17, 17:58
Have pristine high denomination bills from you home currency to exchange. Exchange only enough at the airport to get you to your initial destination. The airport exchange rate is poor, far better in town.That is not entirely true. You need to go to the lower level of BKK and there is another row of currency exchange places, that offer a better rate than the top floor. This phenomenon exists in other destinations as well. A customs officer at MDE advised me the currency exchanges on the lower level gave a better rate than the one in front of me. You pay for the convenience everywhere you go.
Most notable on the lower floor of Suvarnabhumi is the branch of the fabled Super Rich exchange. Super Rich had the longest line and to no surprise, the best rate. As good as you could get at their Sukhumvit location. I stood in line behind an Aussie with his Viet wife who were exchanging Aussie dollars to USD before they made their connecting flight to VN. He said the exchange rate was actually favorable compared to what he would get at their destination, which says something about the place. Of course, I was baffled at finding out that the USD was the default currency in VN, and still can't get my head around it.
In town, you will see little non-descript currency windows on the streets that can also offer as good exchange rates, as any. I came across a small place off of Sukhumvit near Asok that offered the best I had come across the entire trip. A mature Brit expat there with his mature Thai lady swore that place had the best exchange rate in town. I can't recall the name or exact location, but my point is just be alert to these places when you are walking. Soon enough, you will get a grasp on what the best rate is.
I would also suggest you keep ample COINS handy and learn their denominations. Those come in handy at the 5 baht public toilets or the baht buses down in Pattaya. I got one of those old-time plastic squeeze coin purses to put the coins in (and used a money clip for the bills) and it was a neater way of handling coins than fumbling around in your pockets for loose change.
Member #4698
07-01-17, 18:15
My Visa debit works as a CC and all fees are refunded to my savings account. I set this up through an account with Fidelity. I understand that Schwaab offers a similar card. With a $500 daily withdrawal limit it saves me perhaps $12 a week.I have the Schwaab debit card and its great. All ATM & Bank fees are credited back into my account at the end of each month. $900 withdrawal is the total daily limit. BUT, I believe you have to be an American to open an account. I don't think it will work for our British, Euro and Aussie pals. You would think that there must be a banking institution in these countires offering similar arrangements.
Blanquiceleste
07-01-17, 18:41
I have the Schwaab debit card and its great. All ATM & Bank fees are credited back into my account at the end of each month. $900 withdrawal is the total daily limit. BUT, I believe you have to be an American to open an account. I don't think it will work for our British, Euro and Aussie pals. You would think that there must be a banking institution in these countires offering similar arrangements.Citibank offers this in SG. So does DBS.
That is not entirely true. You need to go to the lower level of BKK and there is another row of currency exchange places, that offer a better rate than the top floor. This phenomenon exists in other destinations as well. A customs officer at MDE advised me the currency exchanges on the lower level gave a better rate than the one in front of me. You pay for the convenience everywhere you go.Problem with those kiosks is they have limited operating hours (10 am to 7 pm I believe.) They are certainly not open at 6 am or midnight when many banks of longer haul international flights arrive.
As for Superrich BKK: the main branch office in town has better exchange rates than their affiliate satellite and kiosk locations including Suvarnabhumi Airport. And their remote locations have been known to run out of baht to sell during peak periods. As always YMMV.
SL.
HorseTrader
07-02-17, 04:36
I have the Schwaab debit card and its great. All ATM & Bank fees are credited back into my account at the end of each month. $900 withdrawal is the total daily limit. BUT, I believe you have to be an American to open an account. I don't think it will work for our British, Euro and Aussie pals. You would think that there must be a banking institution in these countires offering similar arrangements.Fidelity has something similar. Zero fee from Fidelity. The ATM's fee is refunded to your Fidelity account. I set my daily limit to $500 per day, but higher or lower limits can be set. You must use an ATM with the proper symbol, of which there are plenty. Exchange rate is the same as used by the New York Stock Exchange; the various currency exchange places have much worse exchange rates. I verified that all these things work in practice.
If you are not getting the exchange rate posted on XE.com, you are probably getting ripped off on the exchange rate.
I have my ticket leaving us on August 2 and returning end of October. Do I need any kind of visa when I arrive there? I know I will have to get an extension. Can I get a 60 day extension easily? My biggest worry is not being allowed in the country with a return date that far out. Is that something I should be concerned a out?
Thank you for any advice.
Is it necessary to check ID of freelancers to avoid [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls? Is it customary to ask for ID before striking a deal?
Where is the best (cheap) place to buy nuru massage gel to take home? I need about 10 liters in total. Any brand recommendation?
Somewhere15
07-03-17, 21:29
I have my ticket leaving us on August 2 and returning end of October. Do I need any kind of visa when I arrive there? I know I will have to get an extension. Can I get a 60 day extension easily? My biggest worry is not being allowed in the country with a return date that far out. Is that something I should be concerned a out?
Thank you for any advice.Depending of course on the type of passport you have.
For instance I have a pasport under EU rules which allows me for a 30 days tourist Visa.
My return flights are always between 7 and 9 weeks after arrival; never had a question on that.
Since around 2 years it is possible to extend your 30 days stay into a 60 days stay (for 1. 600 THB. Around 50 $).
For that you have to go to Immigration Division 1 Office, Chalermprakiat Government Complex, Chaengwattana Rd (soi 7), Laksi, Bangkok (https://www.live-less-ordinary.com/visa-extension-in-bangkok-immigration-office).
Laksi District is close to Dong Muang airport and your can take the BTS or MRT to the Chatuchak area (better known as weekend market or JJ market) and take a taxi from there.
Another way is a short visa run; I often go for one night to Kuala Lumpur or Singapore.
Goodluck with this.
PosterLion
07-03-17, 23:29
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I took this service for the first time and liked it.
I was staying around Nana, so I took the BTS to arrive at Ekkamai BTS station. Follow the sign to exit for bus station, it is right there within 100 meters.
There are few counters for buses. AC buses fare ranging from B108 to B135 depending on the bus companies. There are also minivan and micro- buses running. There are counters for that too, though prices are little higher.
I bought a ticket for the cheapest bus for B108. The bus departed on time and though the travel was about 2:30 hours mentioned but we arrived at Pattaya within 2 hours non-stop. At Pattaya bus station, took a motor cycle taxi for 100 baht to my hotel. Total 28 (BTS)+108 (Bus)+ 100 (MC Taxi) = 236 baht and I moved from Sukhumvit to Pattaya hotel to hotel in 2:30 hours in total.
I liked this very much. Followed the same procedure for return and reached Bangkok in on 1 hour 50 Minutes. Both my travels were during noon (starting at 11 am and reaching about 1 pm). So if you are a single traveler and wish to travel to Pattaya cheap but faster, this is one of your options.
T. F. E.
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The smart forum software doesn't seem to like tricky words that could lead to some legal issues.
I took this service for the first time and liked it.
I was staying around Nana, so I took the BTS to arrive at Ekkamai BTS station. Follow the sign to exit for bus station, it is right there within 100 meters.
There are few counters for buses. AC buses fare ranging from B108 to B135 depending on the bus companies. There are also minivan and micro- buses running. There are counters for that too, though prices are little higher.
I bought a ticket for the cheapest bus for B108. The bus departed on time and though the travel was about 2:30 hours mentioned but we arrived at Pattaya within 2 hours non-stop. At Pattaya bus station, took a motor cycle taxi for 100 baht to my hotel. Total 28 (BTS)+108 (Bus)+ 100 (MC Taxi) = 236 baht and I moved from Sukhumvit to Pattaya hotel to hotel in 2:30 hours in total.
I liked this very much. Followed the same procedure for return and reached Bangkok in on 1 hour 50 Minutes. Both my travels were during noon (starting at 11 am and reaching about 1 pm). So if you are a single traveler and wish to travel to Pattaya cheap but faster, this is one of your options.
T. F. E.I am pleased with Bell Transportation. I fell very safe on those large, AC buses. On my first trip, we plowed into a small automobile (not really sure whose fault it was), but we rear-ended them and neither the car nor the auto faired very well. Very sad. But while the car was destroyed, the bus seemed to only have a dented panel with some scratched paint. I can imagine that poor car / driver being a power taxi / me!
Anyway, I have never taken the bus from BKK to Pattaya. The timing is never right so I take a taxi. (I always take the bus back to BKK.) But I carry a checked bag and a large carry on, so taking a motorcycle taxi is not an option. Any one know what a fair tax cab fare would be from the bus station to a Soi 13 hotel? Thanks.
Are they still limiting the hours of operation on soi 6 Pattaya?
Any boots on the ground?
SearcherMan
07-06-17, 07:03
Are they still limiting the hours of operation on soi 6 Pattaya?
Any boots on the ground?Check my TR in Pattaya Board. Only alcohol prohibited before 6. Get there early to get the hotties. Beware of overcharging on BF's.
Crazy4Thai
07-06-17, 15:07
. Any one know what a fair tax cab fare would be from the bus station to a Soi 13 hotel? Thanks.An actual "taxi" will charge you 200 baht. If you use the baht bus that is backed in to load passengers, and their big luggage too, they will take you for 50 baht. It takes a little longer and you are crammed tight but those are your options.
I have my ticket leaving us on August 2 and returning end of October. Do I need any kind of visa when I arrive there? I know I will have to get an extension. Can I get a 60 day extension easily? My biggest worry is not being allowed in the country with a return date that far out. Is that something I should be concerned a out?
Thank you for any advice.Yes you may need a VISA, and even then staying for 90 days in a row may not be permitted. Normally VISA free entry (with no VISA) is for 30 days and can get a 30 day extension for fee which I believe is 1900 Baht (not 1600) and apply before your 30 days expires and don't forget about any public holidays. Max consecutive time in Thailand is probably 60 days. Then you have to fly to Cambodia and back or Singapore, or Laos, etc. So that is actually without VISA application.
I am assuming you are US citizen.
You can apply to a multi entry tourist VISA with each stay a max of 60 days. There may some type of VISA that allows 90 days. Consult your local Thai embassy or consulate about what type of VISA is possible. Certainly a stay of 90 days is not considered a normal tourist event and may be difficult to do.
So I enjoy one brand of cigarettes that they don't sell in Thailand. Surely, someone else here has been in the same situation. I've searched this forum 10 different ways with no luck so I apologize if it's a repeated question. I do realize 200 is max. Considering the drinking to be had I need closer to 400. From other forums I've gathered it's a big fine, possibly jail and they take them. Do they only take the excess or do they take all of them? Seems like I could just put a few packs in cargo short pockets in checked luggage and a few packs on my carry on. Seems lots of people never get checked. Paying duty isn't a option due to law. Any suggestions?
I carry mostly cash in big bills such as EUR 500 as that gives a slighly better exchange rate and is less bulky to carry. Hotels and upscale restaurants get paid with my credit card. I have a debit card for back-up but the ATM costs are crippling and the maximum amount you can withdraw at one time seems to get lower and lower. 10000 baht is as much I can withdraw in one go and that won't last long.Thanks for all the responses regarding cash and exchange. I think I have a plan in place now for that. In regards to your passport, do you always carry it with you? My biggest fear is losing this.
Also, I am trying to find a better explanation of ST & LT. When I search the forums, it says "search string too short" I read the abbreviations tab, but it's very vague and I don't think applies to Thailand.
I'm guessing st = short time or basically 1 hour or 1 pop, whichever comes first? LT = long time? Abbrev tab says overnight, so if I barfine a girl for LT at 6 pm, I can bang her all night long? Doesn't make sense to do ST then other than variety. Please help!
Hack.
So I enjoy one brand of cigarettes that they don't sell in Thailand. Surely, someone else here has been in the same situation. I've searched this forum 10 different ways with no luck so I apologize if it's a repeated question. I do realize 200 is max. Considering the drinking to be had I need closer to 400. From other forums I've gathered it's a big fine, possibly jail and they take them. Do they only take the excess or do they take all of them? Seems like I could just put a few packs in cargo short pockets in checked luggage and a few packs on my carry on. Seems lots of people never get checked. Paying duty isn't a option due to law. Any suggestions?Hi,
Maybe another member who is a non smoker take them for you if you are travelling together or possibly befriend some one on the same flight at check in and see if they can help you out. I have carried cigarettes and alcohol before and I have asked others to help me too and it works.
Gypsie King
07-12-17, 08:16
ST stands for short time. Most of the time, it means one pop and about one hour (or till you pop, which ever comes first) unless negotiated in advance.
LT stands for Long time, usually till early morning (again exact time to negotiate in advance), it also means multiple pops but the lady will want to sleep, so do not expect an all night marathon.
GK.
Thanks for all the responses regarding cash and exchange. I think I have a plan in place now for that. In regards to your passport, do you always carry it with you? My biggest fear is losing this.
Also, I am trying to find a better explanation of ST & LT. When I search the forums, it says "search string too short" I read the abbreviations tab, but it's very vague and I don't think applies to Thailand.
I'm guessing st = short time or basically 1 hour or 1 pop, whichever comes first? LT = long time? Abbrev tab says overnight, so if I barfine a girl for LT at 6 pm, I can bang her all night long? Doesn't make sense to do ST then other than variety. Please help!
Hack.
Crocodilexp
07-12-17, 08:50
So I enjoy one brand of cigarettes that they don't sell in Thailand. Surely, someone else here has been in the same situation. I've searched this forum 10 different ways with no luck so I apologize if it's a repeated question. I do realize 200 is max. Considering the drinking to be had I need closer to 400. From other forums I've gathered it's a big fine, possibly jail and they take them.In a few cases I heard of, the fine (or was it bribe) ended up being 50 k-80 k baht. They often let you go through the customs, only to nab you in the parking lot or taxi stand (higher fine, more sever punishment, and more opportunities to settle it).
Do they only take the excess or do they take all of them?They sure won't let you smoke them in jail while you wait for the judge to decide on your bail. If you manage to settle informally (with a bribe), depends on the terms of your settlement, of course.
Is it really worthwhile, are you that much of an addict to a specific brand to take the risk? As a reminder, you can buy cigarettes in Thailand.
I carry mostly cash in big bills such as EUR 500 as that gives a slighly better exchange rate and is less bulky to carry. Hotels and upscale restaurants get paid with my credit card. I have a debit card for back-up but the ATM costs are crippling and the maximum amount you can withdraw at one time seems to get lower and lower. 10000 baht is as much I can withdraw in one go and that won't last long.I can withdraw 20,000 baht from the ATM's of the Tanachart bank with my debit card. All other banks only 10,000 (as far as I know but I've tried a lot).
There's a Tanachart ATM between Soi 3 and 5 on Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok, and in Pattaya on Second Road close to Soi Honey Inn. Look for orange ATM's.
Make sure your own bank allows you to withdraw 20,000 baht. If your limit is set to EUR 500 for example then that's not enough.
MakeItOrBreak
07-13-17, 04:08
I don't know if this is bad manners for me writing about this here. Anyways it seems like Thailand has woken up in regards to allowing Farangs with tourist visa to get a driving license. I have seen a large increase in police checks in Phuket where I spend most my time but never been stopped myself. That said it's only a matter of time before I have to pay my first 500 THB and argue why I shouldn't have to give more.
Anyways I went to this driving school in Phuket that is on the left hand side going from Dcondo Mine to the bigger Tesco Lotus / Home pro. I don't know the full cost yet but basically 1500 THB for the school and 500 THB + Copies / Photos for Immigration (Make sure you save 2 photos for the license). So I would estimate it to land somewhere around 2500 THB. I have no clue about the expiration time on the license or if this works for people staying in a hotel but I suspect so.
What you need from immigration is a "Certificate of residence" and to my knowledge this is something new and when I asked them about it they said its been around 1 year or more. I am scheduled for my test on Saturday so if anyone has input on what usually is included I'm all ear. I will report back on my experience after Saturday.
I continued my talk with Immigration about the reporting of your address when staying in Thailand. The answer I got verbally is that if I have reported my condominium as the place I am staying that is fine even if I leave and come back. I extended the question to what if I go around in Thailand and stay in a hotel and got the answer I didn't need to re-report. Can anyone confirm this is the case or is this just how laid back they are here in the south?
How does thai friendly site work? Is there a way to tell who are working girls as opposed to who is wanting a relationship? I am mid 50's, if they answer my message knowing I am that age and they are in 20's, will they know I am wanting sex? Can you negotiate sex and price on thai friendly site?
Eszpresszo
07-14-17, 01:03
How does thai friendly site work? Is there a way to tell who are working girls as opposed to who is wanting a relationship? I am mid 50's, if they answer my message knowing I am that age and they are in 20's, will they know I am wanting sex? Can you negotiate sex and price on thai friendly site?Well, no. Its not a sex marketplace though I suspect a small minority of women on there might be working girls. Mostly, it is girls looking to meet farang and their financial incentives are probably more expensive in the long run than picking up a ordinary working girl.
I think girls in their 20's will assume you are looking to bust a nut in them, and those that are interested in P4 P will probably respond appropriately. But, I don't see the point much. I spent $25 a month for membership (free membership is next to useless for a variety of reasons unless you have a lot of time on your hands), and I recall enjoying ST with a lovely, young Lao girl in Pattaya for the same amount. Which begs the question, what real use is it to the monger? For a younger guy it would be a great way to hook up with younger girls to date, and I was still in my 30's, maybe my late 40's I would work the Thai dating sites pretty hard looking for the free stuff.
For more mature guys, like us, it is a great way to meet mature Thai women who are looking for something serious. If you are looking for a real girlfriend closer to your age, you will find them in spades. I am in my 50's as well, and I made plenty of contact with girls in Thailand in their 30's and 40's. If they have kids, they can come off as quite desperate. But, then again what they will want from you will be a serious financial commitment. Unless you are taking up residence in Thailand, I think a girl off the street will the cheapest and least hassle method for pure sexual purposes.
To sum up my experience on TF, it was a waste of time, and the only woman I did actually meet up with really wasted my time. Many others played games with me and a few were a bit nuts. Just like at home, they are single for a reason.
HorneeFalang
07-14-17, 01:30
How does thai friendly site work? Is there a way to tell who are working girls as opposed to who is wanting a relationship? I am mid 50's, if they answer my message knowing I am that age and they are in 20's, will they know I am wanting sex? Can you negotiate sex and price on thai friendly site?Just be up front. Tell them what you are looking for and that you are prepared to spend Baht.
Yes negotiating is easy. Just a word on the the profile pics, tread with caution. Also, some profile pics can be deceiving. Just because she looks like a conservative, innocent thing this is not always the case. Happy Hunting.
Crocodilexp
07-14-17, 04:05
How does thai friendly site work? Is there a way to tell who are working girls as opposed to who is wanting a relationship? I am mid 50's, if they answer my message knowing I am that age and they are in 20's, will they know I am wanting sex? Can you negotiate sex and price on thai friendly site?There's no obvious way to tell or a search option. I think the site bans openly advertising prostitution, but you can negotiate anything you want in private messages, or better, exchange Line contact info and talk there.
You have to send messages to multiple girls and be upfront about what you're looking for. Most girls on the site are not prostitutes, some are but aren't upfront about it and would only be OK with a money proposal after a few messages. Many girls will refuse you, or even worse, drag it out without wanting to meet. It's a fair bit of work and hassle online, not an ideal mongering platform at all.
Blanquiceleste
07-14-17, 11:35
How does thai friendly site work? Is there a way to tell who are working girls as opposed to who is wanting a relationship? I am mid 50's, if they answer my message knowing I am that age and they are in 20's, will they know I am wanting sex? Can you negotiate sex and price on thai friendly site?You already have a few responses from veterans who know their business very well. But here are my two cents.
I have had reasonable success with TF. They have a fairly decent app now that is user friendly. Over the past 2 months I have seen increase in quantity and quality of girls on TF, specially for Pattaya. I don't know the exact reasons for this, but I suspect it has something to do with the current embargoes on bar timings in Pattaya.
Most girls have fairly clear messages on their profiles, but no girl is really out of reach for the man with the right game and approach. I am usually honest about what I am looking for. I tell them I am looking for a casual date, nothing serious, no commitments. Some of them come forward and say they want money in exchange and then the chat gets into a negotiation, if needed. Some girls simply refuse flat out, a few have even done it in a nasty way. And an impressive number of women will want to chat more, get to know you better and then probably let you get into their knickers after 2 dates.
HorneeFalang
07-14-17, 12:14
I have had reasonable success with TF. They have a fairly decent app now that is user friendly. Over the past 2 months I have seen increase in quantity and quality of girls on TF, specially for Pattaya. I don't know the exact reasons for this, but I suspect it has something to do with the current embargoes on bar timings in Pattaya.I read this with interest as I too have noticed an increase in the quality of the girls on TF. I was at one stage rather disappointed with the talent but after revisiting recently the scale has gone up a notch or two. Yes, getting hold of the Line ID quickly is also the best tactic to keep the conversation going. Once chatting via Line you can really get down to the finer details, in particular if you are not a fully paid member as you need to wait a long duration to send multiple messages.
Crazy4Thai
07-14-17, 13:29
I don't know if this is bad manners for me writing about this here. Anyways it seems like Thailand has woken up in regards to allowing Farangs with tourist visa to get a driving license. This is quite a change from the norm and perhaps is only available in Phuket. Rules and regs are not adhered too consistently across the country. The part about a certificate of residence from Immigration is the norm for those who live here long term. For a tourist it almost seems laughable because they tend to be on the move so much. You do not need to report your whereabouts on a tourist visa because the presumption is that your hotel will report it. That is partly why they take a copy of your passport.
HorneeFalang
07-15-17, 00:29
I don't know if this is bad manners for me writing about this here. Anyways it seems like Thailand has woken up in regards to allowing Farangs with tourist visa to get a driving license. I have seen a large increase in police checks in Phuket where I spend most my time but never been stopped myself. That said it's only a matter of time before I have to pay my first 500 THB and argue why I shouldn't have to give more.
Anyways I went to this driving school in Phuket that is on the left hand side going from Dcondo Mine to the bigger Tesco Lotus / Home pro. I don't know the full cost yet but basically 1500 THB for the school and 500 THB + Copies / Photos for Immigration (Make sure you save 2 photos for the license). So I would estimate it to land somewhere around 2500 THB. I have no clue about the expiration time on the license or if this works for people staying in a hotel but I suspect so.
What you need from immigration is a "Certificate of residence" and to my knowledge this is something new and when I asked them about it they said its been around 1 year or more. I am scheduled for my test on Saturday so if anyone has input on what usually is included I'm all ear. I will report back on my experience after Saturday.
I continued my talk with Immigration about the reporting of your address when staying in Thailand. The answer I got verbally is that if I have reported my condominium as the place I am staying that is fine even if I leave and come back. I extended the question to what if I go around in Thailand and stay in a hotel and got the answer I didn't need to re-report. Can anyone confirm this is the case or is this just how laid back they are here in the south?Certificate of residence at my local immigration is 500 THB tea money if that helps.
MakeItOrBreak
07-19-17, 02:11
This is quite a change from the norm and perhaps is only available in Phuket. Rules and regs are not adhered too consistently across the country. The part about a certificate of residence from Immigration is the norm for those who live here long term. For a tourist it almost seems laughable because they tend to be on the move so much. You do not need to report your whereabouts on a tourist visa because the presumption is that your hotel will report it. That is partly why they take a copy of your passport.I have no idea but since I have a condo the certificate seems quite handy for buying a motorbike / car etc.
Suggested workflow for making a license.
1. Immigration get copies of passport and a bunch of pretty photos of yourself. 100-300 THB.
2. Immigration get certificate of residence and ask if you can have a receipt if they ask for money. The price will most likely go down from 500 THB. (Paid 500 in Patong had no idea it should be free until someone said so here).
3. Get medical certificate for driving license 100 THB if you go to a Thai clinic.
4. Go private driving school. The one in Phuket charges 1500 THB for motorcycle and includes introduction to the rules of the road in Thailand and the theoretical exam. You can retry a couple of times but it should be no problem. The test is basically online so you just make sure to have 90% http://thaidriving.info/ .
5. The school prepares all paperwork needed and off you go to Provincial Land Transport Office and hopefully getting your new license.
I roughly think I spent 12 hours including driving / waiting to make this happen. For me personally totally worth the 3000 THB spent. I actually to my own surprise received a 2 year license and I'm only on VOA. A kicker is that it opens up for driving a bike in many nearby countries and a lot of other things gets easier in Thailand!
I am researching the idea of bringing my legal US prescription of Valium *30 pills with me into Thailand. I would have a layover in Japan in route to BKK.
After researching the web I see that Japan bans a lot of these drugs even with legal prescriptions and Thailand requires you to fill out forms prior to arriving.
I've got one doctor willing to write me a letter but she doesn't prescribe the valium. So basically I would have a different doctor's name on the letter than what is on the bottle label.
Will I be searched in Japan on my short layover. Any recommendations ?
I also have questionable religious tattoos all over my body. Bad idea for beach areas ? I read they are cracking down on them.
Thanks.
Mr Enternational
07-19-17, 22:56
Today is the day that enhanced security measures start for people entering into the USA.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/06/28/fact-sheet-aviation-enhanced-security-measures-all-commercial-flights-united-states
The enhanced security measures include but are not limited to:
Enhancing overall passenger screening;.
Conducting heightened screening of personal electronic devices;.
Countries: 105.
Airports: 280 (approximate number as it will vary based on seasonal airports).
Total airlines: 180.
Average daily flights: 2,100.
Passengers: 325,000 average daily passengers.
I also have questionable religious tattoos all over my body. Bad idea for beach areas ? I read they are cracking down on them.
Thanks.I was in Bangkok last weekend and coming through immigration that had a video showing how having tat's and decorating budha's was disrespectful. They also has signs pretty much saying the same thing and the desks. This was new to me, they weren't there when I came in a month earlier. I don't think it's as bad as some countries, I think Sri Lanka deported a British woman a few years ago that had a budha tattoo, but you probably want to cover up as much as possible, especially coming through the airport, going to temples, etc.
I was in Bangkok last weekend and coming through immigration that had a video showing how having tat's and decorating budha's was disrespectful. They also has signs pretty much saying the same thing and the desks. This was new to me, they weren't there when I came in a month earlier. I don't think it's as bad as some countries, I think Sri Lanka deported a British woman a few years ago that had a budha tattoo, but you probably want to cover up as much as possible, especially coming through the airport, going to temples, etc.Seen those signs at the immigration booths since at least two years.
Good advice as too many farangs are disrespectful of those values (Buddha, King, flag) and then cry like babies when sent to bkk Hilton for some serious rethinking of their acts.
They are bent well warned now.
I was in Bangkok last weekend and coming through immigration that had a video showing how having tat's and decorating budha's was disrespectful. They also has signs pretty much saying the same thing and the desks. This was new to me, they weren't there when I came in a month earlier. I don't think it's as bad as some countries, I think Sri Lanka deported a British woman a few years ago that had a budha tattoo, but you probably want to cover up as much as possible, especially coming through the airport, going to temples, etc.Thanks. I have some pretty strong looking religious tats on my upper body. One is the word darkside written in old english letters across my stomach with a cross in the middle. ID like to go to pattaya but question if it is a good idea.
Banana Boi
07-21-17, 03:51
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.
Robert Long
07-21-17, 05:02
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.That's roughly $606.00 dollars. But who asks that? I just arrived 3 days ago and I didn't see any issues or delays. Maybe they are stopping people at the customs center and ask you to declare your cash? Strange.
RL.
MakeItOrBreak
07-21-17, 05:19
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.
That's roughly $606.00 dollars. But who asks that? I just arrived 3 days ago and I didn't see any issues or delays. Maybe they are stopping people at the customs center and ask you to declare your cash? Strange.
RL.Where has this happened BKK? I will be moving in and out of Thailand a few times at HKT and will keep this in mind!
That's roughly $606.00 dollars. But who asks that? I just arrived 3 days ago and I didn't see any issues or delays. Maybe they are stopping people at the customs center and ask you to declare your cash? Strange.
RL.For those wanting visa on entry.
Pipe Layer99
07-21-17, 06:18
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.Never seen that or heard of it either. Who did they stop? Someone you know? Or was it just random people?
I arrived, no issues.
In any case, I usually carry some home currency when I come. It's easier to change money at the exchanges plus avoid the ATM fees (up to 220 baht now).
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.Such a nonsense can't be true.
20000 baht if I stay 1 day?
20000 baht if I stay 29 days?
That is enough to show it can't be true.
I have been traveling the world for short trips of 5-6 days and many times I nevertheless changed any money in local currency, for instance.
Why should it better to have baht? Are they planning to close the country exchange booths?
Cash and not what is in my bank account? What I have in the bank is none of their business, so that is already another nonsense about this news.
By the way, what is yor source?
Which I immigration enforced this "rule"? Airport? Ground border with Myanmar? Laos? Malaysia?
I would be cautious to write these posts if there is no ground to it.
Pipe Layer99
07-21-17, 06:45
I am researching the idea of bringing my legal US prescription of Valium *30 pills with me into Thailand. I would have a layover in Japan in route to BKK.
After researching the web I see that Japan bans a lot of these drugs even with legal prescriptions and Thailand requires you to fill out forms prior to arriving.
I've got one doctor willing to write me a letter but she doesn't prescribe the valium. So basically I would have a different doctor's name on the letter than what is on the bottle label.
Will I be searched in Japan on my short layover. Any recommendations ? ...Thanks.You should be fine with just a layover. I know in Tokyo you go through a quick security screening again when going to the connections area. This is for your carry-on bag, laptop, etc.
Just carry the prescription and keep it with the pills. Alternatively, you can put them in your checked bag if you have one.
As for Thailand, I carried some xanax back and forth to and from the States many times. No problem and no forms. (Great for sleeping on the long flight).
Also bought some xanax (2 packs of 10 pills) in Saigon and carried it back to Thailand in my carry-on. No problem. You are only carrying 30 pills with a prescription, not a huge red flag.
Seen those signs at the immigration booths since at least two years.
Really? I'd only just noticed them on my last trip. That's not to say they weren't there, I just may not have seen the. I do travel extensively, around 10 months of the years to lots of places and I do tend to zone out a bit in long queues at airports, that may explain why I didn't see them.
My apologies if this has already been posted but felt this is useful information for those coming to Thailand. Earlier this week immigration has turned away many people who can not show 20,000 baht in cash when entering Thailand. This must be cash, not what is in your bank account. I believe it can be in any currency but safer to have baht imo. Better safe than sorry carry cash.I would think that this would only be nationals of some countries who they think will overstay and work illegally. I doubt anyone coming from the US, Australia, etc. Would even get asked. I never have been. I've never seen anyone turned away for not having sufficient cash, but that's not to say it hasn't happened, I jst haven't noticed / seen it.
Pipe Layer99
07-21-17, 07:19
I have my ticket leaving us on August 2 and returning end of October. Do I need any kind of visa when I arrive there? I know I will have to get an extension. Can I get a 60 day extension easily? My biggest worry is not being allowed in the country with a return date that far out. Is that something I should be concerned a out?
Thank you for any advice.Check the Consulate for your home country. Easy to read and stay times are listed along with costs for visas. FYI, you can not get a 60 day extension. Only 30 day extensions for 1900 baht.
There was an article on Yahoo news today about the Thai govt trying to crack down on western hippie types begging for money on the street. That is why they are asking to see money when you arrive.
Pipe Layer99
07-21-17, 07:52
Money withdrawal discussion. Good topic....
I haven't tried either of these suggestions below yet but definitely will try soon:
1. go inside the bank to a human bank teller to avoid the Thai ATM fee (200-250 baht) completely. The bigger bonus is there is no withdrawal limit.
2. Wire transfer money to yourself. My require a bit of calculating but may be cheaper to use a money exchange and pay their fee than to pay both an ATM fee along with another higher ridiculous fee from your home bank (for those who are not lucky enough to be from the US and have a Charles Schwab account). No Thai banks are on the global ATM system.
Any other suggestions that could save me at least $20 per week would be much appreciated.I'm sure you know to bring some cash. Of course it depends on how much you feel comfortable carrying / plus safety issue using the room safes, etc. Everyone has different opinions on this. In regards to going inside the bank, be careful. I did it once as a test and my bank at home charged me a fee. I contacted the USA Bank and explained that I was using my debit card to withdraw money from my account because the ATM didn't work. For this 'one time' they refunded me the fee. Be warned about your bank's fees.
Wire t-fers also cost. Can be up to $30 USD. So I would avoid that option.
Banana Boi
07-21-17, 08:19
Bionic man. If you don't believe me search the internet and on Thai visa. This began last week. Another rule to dissuade people coming in to Thailand to work. Remember 20,000 baht to many of these poorer countries is a lot. So far no reports from suvabharumi but it has happened at dmk and other airports.
western hippie types begging for money on the street. Fuck them, they belong in Costa Rica with the rest of them losers!
Bionic man. If you don't believe me search the internet and on Thai visa. This began last week. Another rule to dissuade people coming in to Thailand to work. Remember 20,000 baht to many of these poorer countries is a lot. So far no reports from suvabharumi but it has happened at dmk and other airports.It may assist your case if you post a link.
There was an article on Yahoo news today about the Thai govt trying to crack down on western hippie types begging for money on the street. That is why they are asking to see money when you arrive.IMO the farang beggars are going to beg either way. It is a bohemian lifestyle choice for them even if they have money in their pocket. Sad.
Having sufficient funds to support yourself while in Thailand is an entry requirement. It is infrequently enforced. Mostly at land crossings and less so at airports. I would think a credit card would do the trick if asked.
Thai immigration officials may also ask for your onward / return ticket if entering at an airport. I once had Thai Airlines ask me before letting be board at FRA because I was traveling on one-way tickets.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/some-tourist-visa-holders-asked-to-show-20-000-baht-in-cash-9041162
SL
Thai immigration officials may also ask for your onward / return ticket if entering at an airport. I once had Thai Airlines ask me before letting be board at FRA because I was traveling on one-way tickets.
SLThat's been a requirement in most countries for many years. I was working in Malaysia in the mid ninties and prior to getting a work permit I flew back to Aus on a return from KL. When I went to leave Aus again they asked me if I had an onwards ticket. Luckly I had a ticket to Bangkok, I was planning a business trip there, so it wasn't a problem.
It's the airlines who ask because if you are refused entry for not having a return ticket / visa then they have to absord the cost and the hassles. Not every country enforces this but they have the right to.
Banana Boi
07-21-17, 11:21
It may assist your case if you post a link.I mentioned where to look. Thai visa.
Bionic man. If you don't believe me search the internet and on Thai visa. This began last week. Another rule to dissuade people coming in to Thailand to work. Remember 20,000 baht to many of these poorer countries is a lot. So far no reports from suvabharumi but it has happened at dmk and other airports.What's thai visa? Another forum as this one. Get real, please. Word of mouth builds fish from 4 inches to a barracuda.
Bionic man. If you don't believe me search the internet and on Thai visa. This began last week. Another rule to dissuade people coming in to Thailand to work. Remember 20,000 baht to many of these poorer countries is a lot. So far no reports from suvabharumi but it has happened at dmk and other airports.Well, I am feeling sorry for those coming from a poor country and going to Thailand for a job, but I don't think it is the case of 99.9% of the people here.
So what's the deal in bringing up this topic in here?
It is also forbidden to have sex with girls below a certain age, do you want to open a debate on this, then?
Or forbidden to bring or detain drug, will you open a thread on it?
Chresquire
07-22-17, 06:32
Well, I am feeling sorry for those coming from a poor country and going to Thailand for a job, but I don't think it is the case of 99.9% of the people here.
So what's the deal in bringing up this topic in here?
It is also forbidden to have sex with girls below a certain age, do you want to open a debate on this, then?
Or forbidden to bring or detain drug, will you open a thread on it?It's odd that you seem to feel personally aggrieved by Banana Boi helpfully reporting on this. You can find a report on this in The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/thailand-tourist-visa-begpackers-crack-down-show-20000-baht-before-entering-country-immigration-a7846906.html) from three days ago as well as The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel/2017/07/18/some-tourist-visa-holders-being-asked-to-show-bt20000-in-cash-when-entering-thailand.html) which cites ThaiVisa and notes occurrences at airports and land borders. What's more even the Thai Embassy Site (http://www.thaiembassy.org/telaviv/en/services/685/17388-Entry-to-Thailand.html) lists currency requirements upon entry for Tourist Visa holders of 10 K Baht per person or 20 K Baht per family, with the numbers being 5 K /10 K for transit Visas or those without a Visa.
This is good information, and although I don't need a Visa as I will be staying for less than 15 days on my upcoming trip I'll make sure to have at least 10 K Baht equivalent when entering.
MakeItOrBreak
07-24-17, 01:41
It's odd that you seem to feel personally aggrieved by Banana Boi helpfully reporting on this. You can find a report on this in The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/thailand-tourist-visa-begpackers-crack-down-show-20000-baht-before-entering-country-immigration-a7846906.html) from three days ago as well as The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel/2017/07/18/some-tourist-visa-holders-being-asked-to-show-bt20000-in-cash-when-entering-thailand.html) which cites ThaiVisa and notes occurrences at airports and land borders. What's more even the Thai Embassy Site (http://www.thaiembassy.org/telaviv/en/services/685/17388-Entry-to-Thailand.html) lists currency requirements upon entry for Tourist Visa holders of 10 K Baht per person or 20 K Baht per family, with the numbers being 5 K /10 K for transit Visas or those without a Visa.
This is good information, and although I don't need a Visa as I will be staying for less than 15 days on my upcoming trip I'll make sure to have at least 10 K Baht equivalent when entering.I had a international flight out yesterday and asked directly to immigration what's going on and what's sufficient proof. The answer I got was that a bankbook is fine in Phuket at least. How actual it needs to be wasn't really anything mentioned.
It's odd that you seem to feel personally aggrieved by Banana Boi helpfully reporting on this. You can find a report on this in The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/thailand-tourist-visa-begpackers-crack-down-show-20000-baht-before-entering-country-immigration-a7846906.html) from three days ago as well as The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel/2017/07/18/some-tourist-visa-holders-being-asked-to-show-bt20000-in-cash-when-entering-thailand.html) which cites ThaiVisa and notes occurrences at airports and land borders. What's more even the Thai Embassy Site (http://www.thaiembassy.org/telaviv/en/services/685/17388-Entry-to-Thailand.html) lists currency requirements upon entry for Tourist Visa holders of 10 K Baht per person or 20 K Baht per family, with the numbers being 5 K /10 K for transit Visas or those without a Visa.
This is good information, and although I don't need a Visa as I will be staying for less than 15 days on my upcoming trip I'll make sure to have at least 10 K Baht equivalent when entering.What you guys probably are willing not to see is that the point is the "profiling" of this matter.
All this is clearly addressed to specific categories of "tourists", if and when enforced.
Unless. With no disrespect but as a fact. You guys are coming from one of those cited countries.
20000 baht is 500€ or 600 $: don't tell me you enter the country with less of that, being also Thailand a market where credit cards can be mainly used for hotel bulls and expensive venues, and not much more, for a daily tourist and mongering activities.
I have not seen it posted on the NYT or Die Zeit.
I still fail to see the mentioned amount in relation to the length of the stay. Which is the crucial thing.
I will be soon in bkk and, without arrogance, I am pretty sure such a question will not be put to me. And not because I am a handsome man.
It's odd that you seem to feel personally aggrieved by Banana Boi helpfully reporting on this. You can find a report on this in The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/thailand-tourist-visa-begpackers-crack-down-show-20000-baht-before-entering-country-immigration-a7846906.html) from three days ago as well as The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/travel/2017/07/18/some-tourist-visa-holders-being-asked-to-show-bt20000-in-cash-when-entering-thailand.html) which cites ThaiVisa and notes occurrences at airports and land borders. What's more even the Thai Embassy Site (http://www.thaiembassy.org/telaviv/en/services/685/17388-Entry-to-Thailand.html) lists currency requirements upon entry for Tourist Visa holders of 10 K Baht per person or 20 K Baht per family, with the numbers being 5 K /10 K for transit Visas or those without a Visa.
This is good information, and although I don't need a Visa as I will be staying for less than 15 days on my upcoming trip I'll make sure to have at least 10 K Baht equivalent when entering.If the source of a national paper lays in a forum with no further elaboration, it is a proof there are lazy media around the world.
What you guys probably are willing not to see is that the point is the "profiling" of this matter.
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I still fail to see the mentioned amount in relation to the length of the stay. Which is the crucial thing.
I will be soon in bkk and, without arrogance, I am pretty sure such a question will not be put to me. And not because I am a handsome man.Yep, I've been to Bangkok twice in the last 6 weeks and I haven't been asked. I would think that a family from the US or Australia going into Thailand for a 10 day holiday would not be asked to produce anything but a 19 year old Girl from Vietnam or Cambodia arriving for a month would be asked.
Yep, I've been to Bangkok twice in the last 6 weeks and I haven't been asked. I would think that a family from the US or Australia going into Thailand for a 10 day holiday would not be asked to produce anything but a 19 year old Girl from Vietnam or Cambodia arriving for a month would be asked.The cash component is for those getting visa on arrival as distinct form those countries that are visa exempt.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/907-suvarnabhumi-visa-on-arrival.
Visa on arrival is valid for 15 days.
Dextro Sol
07-25-17, 12:36
I will arrive in Bkk on October 13 and I just found out that this I the 1: st anniversery of King Bhumibols death. What can I expect that day? No alcohol I guess (not a big problem) But what about go-go's and massage parlours? Is it expected to be a long morning period, or just that day?
The cash component is for those getting visa on arrival as distinct form those countries that are visa exempt.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/907-suvarnabhumi-visa-on-arrival.
Visa on arrival is valid for 15 days.That's a pretty limited number of countries. I'd be surprised if travellers from other countries that don't need a visa, such as ASEAN countries, aren't asked to produce money as well. I'd say that thy may be trying to crack down on illegal workers. It's probably more enforced at the borders. I couldn't imagine many people from countries listed on the VOA list would come from over the border. I may be wrong and they don't require neighbouring country's people to produce some money.
That's a pretty limited number of countries. I'd be surprised if travellers from other countries that don't need a visa, such as ASEAN countries, aren't asked to produce money as well. I'd say that thy may be trying to crack down on illegal workers. It's probably more enforced at the borders. I couldn't imagine many people from countries listed on the VOA list would come from over the border. I may be wrong and they don't require neighbouring country's people to produce some money.http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/changes-visa-exempt.php
10,000 baht for 30 days. Here it says you may be asked to demonstrate whereas for the visa on arrival as far as I am aware proof is required.
10,000 baht for 30 days. Here it says you may be asked to demonstrate whereas for the visa on arrival as far as I am aware proof is required.Ok, but this is probably selectively enforced. I'm from Australia and I've flown into Bangkok twice in the past 6 weeks and haven't been asked for proof. I haven't seen anyone in front of me asked either, but I may not have noticed. They may also have been asked while in line, I did see some people seem to get out of line and head back somewhere, but I wasn't really paying attention.
http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/changes-visa-exempt.php
10,000 baht for 30 days. Here it says you may be asked to demonstrate whereas for the visa on arrival as far as I am aware proof is required.My friend from Cambodia have been in Bangkok 4 times this year. One time by bus from Siem Reap and 3 times by flight to Don Muang Airport. Last time was yesterday. She have never been asked about if she have money.
I have been in Thailand 3 times this year. No quistion asked.
Just saw this news item and wanted to pass it on. Looks like the 26th will be the most affected day:
News article: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...mation-8791334.
SL.
My friend from Cambodia have been in Bangkok 4 times this year. One time by bus from Siem Reap and 3 times by flight to Don Muang Airport. Last time was yesterday. She have never been asked about if she have money.
I have been in Thailand 3 times this year. No quistion asked.That is because you and your girlfriend get in visa free, Visa on arrival you must fill in a form and provide supporting documentation. What the link says is you may be asked to demonstrate you have funds but in the 20+ times I have visited I have never been asked, my wife however having a Ukrainian passport was required to have the documentation meeting the requirements for visa on arrival.
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?
Eszpresszo
07-30-17, 00:39
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?I find it interesting that an actual pharmacy would openly sell a counterfeit. But, they were honest about it. Try one and if it doesn't work, then go back and complain. My guess is that it is generic tadalifil that was made to look like the real thing. The fact that the pharmacy knew it was fake, should mean they should know what it is made of. And unlike the guys on the street, if something goes bad, they can't exactly run away from the situation. They will need to deal with angry customers.
MakeItOrBreak
07-30-17, 03:24
I find it interesting that an actual pharmacy would openly sell a counterfeit. But, they were honest about it. Try one and if it doesn't work, then go back and complain. My guess is that it is generic tadalifil that was made to look like the real thing. The fact that the pharmacy knew it was fake, should mean they should know what it is made of. And unlike the guys on the street, if something goes bad, they can't exactly run away from the situation. They will need to deal with angry customers.I think some things are lost in translation here. Normally a patent for drugs will only last a couple of years before other companies can make similar variants. Naproxen / Pronaxen, Zyrlex / Cetrizin etc. So honestly I think she asked if you want to original or an cheaper newly produced variant of the same drug.
I think some things are lost in translation here. Normally a patent for drugs will only last a couple of years before other companies can make similar variants. Naproxen / Pronaxen, Zyrlex / Cetrizin etc. So honestly I think she asked if you want to original or an cheaper newly produced variant of the same drug.Well it's clearly a copy. Same name and logo of Cialis, copying the manufacturer Lilly's labelling, address etc but in a typical counterfeit way. Anyway, I just took one for tomorrow's shenanigans so let's see.
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?I have been in real Bkk pharmacies where the druggist insisted the much higher priced Cialis product he was showing me was original but when you look at the fine print on the box it says "generic". Just because the person is wearing a white jacket with a pocket protector full of ball point pens, that doesn't mean they are any more reliably honest a provider of the product than the guy or girl working a table right outside their door. Not in Thailand, that is. Unless the box and presentation of the product was truly slipshod and amateurish, what your druggist was offering was, imo, a generic version of Cialis and not "fake" boner pills. Several real pharmacists offer that option here in Bkk. I would also submit that is the same "generic" product the guys on the street sell. Most of those street sellers have been working the same table and location for the entire 5 years or so that I have lived here. I'd bet real money there has been a greater staff turn over rate in the so-called real pharmacies nearby during these past five years.
Most of my expat friends and I buy the generic Cialis / Viagra product sold on the street all the time and none of us have suffered negative reactions. Oh, sometimes we get a batch that doesn't seem to work as well as the batch we bought the month prior. Sometimes it works better. I would say the same about the original Lilly and Pfizer product I have taken over the years.
I am literally steeped in pussy lately and long for a day here and there where I can take a break. lol. Since that is a rarity, my boner assistance drug combination of choice these days is one tablet of Black Ant King in the middle of the day or a few hours before sex (sometimes only half a tablet is fine if I know the girl I will be with is an especially hot and reliable honey) and a 100mg of Tadalafil (generic Cialis) shortly before sex, 30-60 minutes prior, let's say about the time we are heading back to my room. Both of which I buy from the same 2-3 vendors on the street I have been buying from for years. No negative side effects so far.
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?You pay a very high premium for Cialis brand name. Generic tadalafil is available far cheaper and a common brand name last I heard was Apcalis. I would prefer to buy in a good Pharmacy myself rather than on the street. I don't know the reliability of street sellers. However 700 baht for generic sounds rather too high. I would have thought 400 baht max. I don't use Tadalafil myself at all. Never found any benefit however I hear it works far better for most people.
Buying "genuine" is an invitation to be really ripped off by supplying a copy in a box that looks like the original. Why waste your money? I once bought supposedly genuine Cialis for my boss (not in Thailand) for about 1800 Baht, but I also bought him an Apcalis to try, to see if it was actually any different. Next time he was quite happy to order Apcalis and save big money.
I thought I heard that Thai Sidegra (generic Viagra) was about 200 baht these days, maybe even less in quantity.
Most of my expat friends and I buy the generic Cialis / Viagra product sold on the street all the time and none of us have suffered negative reactions. Oh, sometimes we get a batch that doesn't seem to work as well as the batch we bought the month prior. Sometimes it works better. I would say the same about the original Lilly and Pfizer product I have taken over the years.This is my issue with the street sellers. Pharmaceuticals need to be kept at moderate room temperatures to retain potency. Baking in street vendors storage bins for weeks / months is sub-optimal storage.
SL.
AussieDoug
07-31-17, 11:30
I find it interesting that an actual pharmacy would openly sell a counterfeit. .That is the problem, it is not a pharmacy, the only connection to a pharmacy is they both wear white coats, there are more quasi pharmacies in Thailand than real ones.
I Walked in today. No Kamagra gels no Cialis generic were available. They had only generic V. The price was 700 baht for a pack of 4 100 MG pills. Still looking for Kamagra gels from a decent supplier not from the street vendors. Anyone knows the source.
Please share your experience with Black Ant. How long have you been taking these tablets? I assume this has helped your performance?
To play devils advocate, it could be the generic Cialis boosting your performance.
A common complaint is that Black Ant does NOT list all the ingredients on the label. So you are not sure what you are ingesting.
On gymjunkies dot com there is a review of Black Ant which says the FDA has warned people not to take these pills.
Thanks,
~BKKguru.
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... my boner assistance drug combination of choice these days is one tablet of Black Ant King in the middle of the day or a few hours before sex (sometimes only half a tablet is fine if I know the girl I will be with is an especially hot and reliable honey) and a 100mg of Tadalafil (generic Cialis) shortly before sex, 30-60 minutes prior, let's say about the time we are heading back to my room.
Member #4698
07-31-17, 16:29
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advises consumers not to purchase or use Black Ant King. WHY? Because "FDA laboratory analysis confirmed that Black Ant King contains sildenafil, the active ingredient in the FDA approved prescription drug Viagra, used to treat erectile dysfunction (ED). "
Taking Cialis and Viagra together, whether knowingly or unknowingly, is very risky business. It is like doubling up on your ED medication. You should always consult with your physician before self medicating like this.
Furthermore, buying Cialis, Viagra, or their generics from street vendors to save a few baht is pretty crazy IMHO. The customer has no idea of what he is getting, let alone how long and under what conditions the product has been stored. But hey, its your body. Do what you like. I like to purchase my meds in large, airconditioned, national chain pharmacies like Century or Guardian in Jakarta or Mercury Drugs in Makati.
True Story: about 4 or 5 years ago I bought a couple of boxes of Cialis (Eli Lilly) from a small pharmacy on Soi 23. They were not only ineffective, but I became sick a few hours later and threw up. I did not attribute my illness to the pills at the time and a couple of days later I was feeling good again, but I went back to using the rapidly dwindling supply of my American purchased Cialis and everything was fine. I then flew to Macau. I was down to my last two USA pills, so I tried one of the Soi 23 Cialis again and it was ineffective, but about 4 hours later I was sick and vomited again! That was it. I put 2 and 2 together. What were the odds of my getting sick and vomiting twice on two separate occasions in two different cities with only one thing in common; the fake Soi 23 pills. Only God and the swine bootleggers know what they really were. So, I flushed the whole lot down the toilet and that was that. A few days later I flew to Manila and bought genuine, name brand Viagra (Pfizer) at a Mercury Drugstore. They were as real as you can buy, fresh with over a year until expiration, and kept in a proper controlled temperature environment. Like I said that was 4 or 5 years ago. Since then I only make my purchases (name brand and generic) in legitimate national chain pharmacies in air-conditioned, upscale malls and have had no ill consequences. I learned my lesson good. I pass this along so others may not have to learn the same lesson I did. BTW, I have not vomited since then. 555. Stay safe.
I have been in real Bkk pharmacies where the druggist insisted the much higher priced Cialis product he was showing me was original but when you look at the fine print on the box it says "generic". Just because the person is wearing a white jacket with a pocket protector full of ball point pens, that doesn't mean they are any more reliably honest a provider of the product than the guy or girl working a table right outside their door. Not in Thailand, that is. Unless the box and presentation of the product was truly slipshod and amateurish, what your druggist was offering was, imo, a generic version of Cialis and not "fake" boner pills. Several real pharmacists offer that option here in Bkk. I would also submit that is the same "generic" product the guys on the street sell. Most of those street sellers have been working the same table and location for the entire 5 years or so that I have lived here. I'd bet real money there has been a greater staff turn over rate in the so-called real pharmacies nearby during these past five years.
Most of my expat friends and I buy the generic Cialis / Viagra product sold on the street all the time and none of us have suffered negative reactions. Oh, sometimes we get a batch that doesn't seem to work as well as the batch we bought the month prior. Sometimes it works better. I would say the same about the original Lilly and Pfizer product I have taken over the years.
I am literally steeped in pussy lately and long for a day here and there where I can take a break. lol. Since that is a rarity, my boner assistance drug combination of choice these days is one tablet of Black Ant King in the middle of the day or a few hours before sex (sometimes only half a tablet is fine if I know the girl I will be with is an especially hot and reliable honey) and a 100mg of Tadalafil (generic Cialis) shortly before sex, 30-60 minutes prior, let's say about the time we are heading back to my room. Both of which I buy from the same 2-3 vendors on the street I have been buying from for years. No negative side effects so far.The recommended dosage for Tadalafil is 20 MG and you are taking 100 MG. I'm surprised you don't have side effects from that large of a dose? I agree that some of the batches that don't always work and take a quick acting Kamagra jelly with me as insurance. I used to buy Apcalis made in India at the pharmacy inside Foodland on Soi 5 for about 200-250 baht for 4 20 MG tablets but its no longer available. Much less side effects than Viagra and long lasting into the next day.
Member #4698
07-31-17, 17:35
1. The pharmacy where I bought the bootleg, fake Cialis was on Soi 22 not Soi 23 as I originally posted. The pills, the box, the packaging, everything about them looked real, but they were fake. They were poison. Pill for pill, I could not tell them apart from the real ones I had purchased in a Costco Pharmacy, USA. I am glad I did not mix the two lots together.
2. As far as I am aware, all the large, airconditioned, national chain Pharmacies in BKK require a prescription in order to purchase Cialis or Viagra. That is too bad and the main reason I make the bulk of my purchases in Jakarta and Manila. That said, I have made small purchases at Charoen Pharmacy on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and Soi 2. In my experience, they are a very reliable provider of name brand and generic medications (not just ED meds) with very good prices. Someone else pointed out that, "they do massive sales business and rely on their reputation for quality."
The only thing I do not like about them is their store has no air conditioning, thus all their medications are stored at BKK room temperature. But I always look to buy product from them with the most time left until expiration and I have never been disappointed with the quality of the meds they have sold me. BM's, This is the place to make your purchases if you are not venturing on to Manila or Jakarta.
2. As far as I am aware, all the large, airconditioned, national chain Pharmacies in BKK require a prescription in order to purchase Cialis or Viagra. I could be completely wrong here but I think you can get the prescription from the pharmacy if the pharmacist is working. Not all of them have pharmacists working full time. I haven't tried to get viagra but I went to a pharmacy to get bonjela for a mouth ulcer and they couldn't sell me any because I needed a script and the pharmacist wasn't there. For Bonjela! I went to another pharamcay in the same building and the pharamcist was working so I could buy it there. This was in the building next to the Grand Hyatt, I can never remember the name. Again, I may be completely wrong and you could need a script from a doctor but some countries have strange laws.
Gulfcruise
07-31-17, 20:19
This time decided to explore the scope of apps, I was amazed to see some Filipino stuffs available in apps route. Booked 2 different Filipino on 2 different days and was one of the best experience in BKK.
The first one was a super star in BBBJ, she literally blowed for 45 minutes (I could withstand after some preparation) and banged her tight pussy and CIM in 10 minutes.
The Second one also gave a good BBBJ, but went ahead in missionary and Doggy (for about 25 minutes with change of positions) and finally CIM.
Damage: 3000 bt / 2 HR.
Gulfcruise
07-31-17, 20:25
It was yet an another surprise to meet an Thai-Indo mix in levels, She was like a stunner with European standards (height / weight), After the party she drove me to the hotel in her "Fortuner".
Another day spent in paradise with almost 5 sessions ending next day noon.
"Treat them well, Get served like a King".
Now she is my Girl Friend.
Crocodilexp
07-31-17, 22:13
small purchases at Charoen Pharmacy on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and Soi 2. In my experience, they are a very reliable provider of name brand and generic medications (not just ED meds) with very good prices... this is the place to make your purchases if you are not venturing on to Manila or Jakarta.Slightly off topic, what's the best place to buy ED meds in Jakarta?
Member #4698
07-31-17, 22:52
A little off topic, yes, but this might be of interest to BKK'ers who travel around a bit.
Slightly off topic, what's the best place to buy ED meds in Jakarta?When I am in Jakarta I shop at the Guardian Pharmacy located in the basement of Plaza Indonesia adjacent to the Grand Hyatt. It's a nice, friendly place with pretty girls waiting on you, and I have never had a problem. Jakarta pharmacies sell 3 different versions of Sildenafil: (1) Viagra, the name brand Pfizer version which is the most expensive, but significantly cheaper than USA Pharmacies; (2) Rozgra, an Indonesian brand, which is significantly less costly than Viagra but not cheap cheap; and (3) what they call generic (Sildenafil), which is the cheapest version. The Pharmacies generally do not call Rozgra a "generic" so you should ask for it by name. I am good with either the Viagra, the branded version or Rozgra, the Indonesian version. The Sildenafil generic version did not seem to do the job as well.
I do not know if Cialis is available in Indonesia. The last time I checked, it was not available in Manila. Only Viagra and Generic Viagra are available in Manila. Everyone has different preferences. I find a half dose 50 MG of Viagra (Pfizer) or Rozgra works best for me. I take 2 500 MG Tylenol (Acetaminophen) 20 minutes or so before I take the 50 MG Viagra and I am rock hard whenever I want to be with no side effects like headaches. Cialis for some reason does not work as well for me. I get hard, but not Superman rock hard. 555. I think I could do just about as well cold turkey without the Cialis on most nights.
Two more points: it is far more economical to buy 100 MG Viagra and split the pills in half rather than buy the 50-MG size. To that end I have a sharp little pill cutter which does a decent job of splitting the Viagra in two with minimal waste. It can split 5 or 6 Viagra at a time. I have several prescription bottles from home with my name on it and I keep all my Asian Viagra in them for safe travel purposes.
Eszpresszo
08-01-17, 00:54
I think some things are lost in translation here. Normally a patent for drugs will only last a couple of years before other companies can make similar variants. More like a couple of decades. You really think Big Pharma can afford the expensive research and development programs, followed by the long clinical trials period to put a drug on the market and have an exclusive on it for just a few years? The global standard for patents on a pharmaceutical is 20 years. This white paper from Wake Forest University explains it here:
http://users.wfu.edu/mcfallta/DIR0/pharma_patents.pdf
Of course that means little difference to those who produce counterfeit drugs, the overwhelming majority of which come from India.
The recommended dosage for Tadalafil is 20 MG and you are taking 100 MG. I'm surprised you don't have side effects from that large of a dose? I agree that some of the batches that don't always work and take a quick acting Kamagra jelly with me as insurance. I used to buy Apcalis made in India at the pharmacy inside Foodland on Soi 5 for about 200-250 baht for 4 20 MG tablets but its no longer available. Much less side effects than Viagra and long lasting into the next day.I have always assumed that the dosage listed on these street seller copies is off the mark and not in the direction of giving you more of the effective ingredient rather than less. LOL. They sell Tadalafil tablets listed at 200 MG (which I have taken before, too, but with no better results than the stated 100 MG version), even 500 MG. And have seen it sold at those dosages on the Internet as well. Truthful? I doubt it.
Please share your experience with Black Ant. How long have you been taking these tablets? I assume this has helped your performance?
To play devils advocate, it could be the generic Cialis boosting your performance.
A common complaint is that Black Ant does NOT list all the ingredients on the label. So you are not sure what you are ingesting.
On gymjunkies dot com there is a review of Black Ant which says the FDA has warned people not to take these pills.
Thanks,
~BKKguru.I have had no negative side effects, feelings of light-headedness, dizziness, headache or anything else with Black Ant King. One whole tablet of BAK is probably enough to do a good job. And if I feel that it will be enough, I might not pop anything else later. But I am aware of the heat / storage issues with these products so I have both BAK and the 100 MG Tadalafil on hand and take them in half tablet form incrementally ahead of time in order to get a sense of the potency. So, you are right, it could be either one that is doing the trick on any given day. Many times a half tab of BAK earlier in the day and one tab of the Tadalafil is more than enough.
A few months ago, my friend left me a stash of genuine Viagra (20 MG, I think.) he had bought for top dollar in a USA pharmacy but didn't want his wife to find it in his luggage back home. When I took a whole one of those tabs and nothing else, I did experience the classic flushed face, cloudiness around the eyes, slight dizziness I have not experienced much at all from my current half tab BAK and whole tab 100 MG Tadalafil regimen. And with no better boner results.
The sellers often push another Black Ant King type product, I think it is called Red Tiger something or other on the premise that it is "stronger". My experience is it is no stronger and might not even be as strong.
RyeHumor63
08-01-17, 09:14
On my most recent trip to Sharks on Soi Cowboy last week, I decided to go against my usual policy of choosing youth over experience. Although there are price considerations on the barfine for Coyote Girls at Sharks vs. The others, that hasn't really been an issue. Mostly its been about a fitter, firmer body type. However, on this occasion, having arrived on Tuesday about 10 pm, I immediately took notice of number 75. She had a nice body, a happy go lucky kind of look, long hair, good skin and was generally my type. She also seemed to enjoy dancing and was having fun on the stage (found out later she works from around 7 pm).
Anyway having got her attention and she mine we shared a few drinks in the bar. Her English was good and up close she didn't disappoint. I found out as we chatted that she was 35, and had a 15 yr old son, so got myself acclimatized to the idea of having sex with a MILF. I did ponder it for a little while, but after asking her about services (everything but anal, her words "not the ass".), and her grooming (completely shaved), I made the deal (700 BF, 3000 for 2. 5 hrs) and headed back to my place.
When we arrived, I got us a couple of beers and we chatted a bit longer. At first I thought she might be a bit reserved, but after about 15 minutes we started kissing (DFK) and taking our clothes off. "Ie" I found to have nice curves, a firm body, includiing firm the cup breasts, and generally very appealing to both my eyes and touch. We fondled each other for a while and then decided best to take a shower. She went first and then I followed, and when I returned to the bedroom, "Ie" was lying with a towel on the bed smiling at me.
I joined her and we continued where we had left off. Gradually removing each others towels, and mutually exploring each others bodies with hands, tongues, mouths. I found "ie" to be very responsive in all departments, and she had an especially tasty twat. She took my mouth and her fingers, and while it took some time (as it always does) to get her fully aroused, she eventually climaxed in my mouth, with a fair amount of tasty lub.
After that, we started kissing some more and then "ie" went down on me. She slowly took my cock in her mouth, and swirled her tongue over my head while stroking my balls lightly with her fingers. She kept doing this pushing her mouth lower and lower and while she didn't attempt to deep throat me, I was nevertheless very aroused when we moved to sex.
The sex started out with "IE" sitting on my cock and rotating her hips and then I lifted her butt and began to move in a circular motion pushing my cock deeper into her now wet and hot hole. We tried different variations of sitting, and squatting until I felt her vaginal muscles start to tighten around my shaft. At that point I pushed up the pace, and was rewarded by a lot of heavy breathing and OMGs (and some expletives too). I was getting closer to the edge but made sure that "IE" had a few orgasm before I joined her, shooting a thick load in the cover.
After that we sat on the bed for a while together just talking. "IE" had another shower and given it was getting on to 1:30 am and she had a day job and her son, I gave her a tip, called her an UBER and made sure she got home. We talked in the lift about exchanging LINE IDs but I told her I would just come to see her again at Sharks which I will.
While I can't say that experience over youth is a winning formula for me, having had two different shark girls last week, one 19 and the other 35, there are definitely certain things when it comes to giving among more experienced women generally that should be appreciated.
Mr Enternational
08-02-17, 05:49
For those that think you are safe storing pics in the cloud:
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/dropbox-led-online-child-pornography-stash-cobb-man-arrest/CSfAM0Jk32mztu8RwKP8wK/
Dive Monger
08-02-17, 21:00
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?I buy "megalis" when I am Phnom Penh, but I think it is also available in BKK. I have had very good results with it. It is an Indian knock-off I believe.
Blanquiceleste
08-03-17, 13:29
For those that think you are safe storing pics in the cloud:
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/dropbox-led-online-child-pornography-stash-cobb-man-arrest/CSfAM0Jk32mztu8RwKP8wK/The guy stashed away videos of ****age girls. Pervert deserves it. Storing pics of normal adult women has never been a problem.
As for any stuff on the cloud being 100% secure, well one has got to be some sort of retard to believe that.
HorseTrader
08-03-17, 14:23
As for any stuff on the cloud being 100% secure, well one has got to be some sort of retard to believe that.Keep in mind that many of us have our smartphones configured to automatically back up our pictures to the cloud, you might not even realize it. Mine does exactly that, but the few suggestive pictures that I want to keep are quickly transferred to separate media and removed from the cloud.
Even so, I can never be sure what copies might exist after a picture enters the cloud.
They were useless, tried them twice. As a regular Cialis user I'd normally get 2 days out of a 20 MG, these did nothing for me really. Lesson learnt, back to the real Cialis or if I can find a proper generic I'll go for that.
Hi guys. I went to a pharmacy in Phuket today asking for Cialis and she asked me if I wanted real at 2750 Baht or copy at 700 Baht. Thinking the copy was a generic, I bought it but realise now it's a copy Cialis, much like you find on the streets of BKK.
Has anyone taken these and if so, do they work and are they considered safe? Internet search says not to take, but of course they are news sites etc and maybe just scaremongering. Anyone experience of this?
Dextro Sol
08-04-17, 07:01
They were useless, tried them twice. As a regular Cialis user I'd normally get 2 days out of a 20 MG, these did nothing for me really. Lesson learnt, back to the real Cialis or if I can find a proper generic I'll go for that.Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.
I tend to get a delayed reaction from Cialis, so take it about 12 - 24 hours in advance. Not ideal but Viagra does nothing for me whatsoever and from a 20 MG pill I will get a full 24 hours once it kicks in, maybe longer. I actually started splitting the pills and taking half then half again once it's subsided, seems to work a treat too. 2750 was the price for 4 x 20 MG. Expensive, sure I can get cheaper elsewhere here. Will try in Patong soon.
Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.
Dextro Sol
08-04-17, 14:06
I tend to get a delayed reaction from Cialis, so take it about 12 - 24 hours in advance. Not ideal but Viagra does nothing for me whatsoever and from a 20 MG pill I will get a full 24 hours once it kicks in, maybe longer. I actually started splitting the pills and taking half then half again once it's subsided, seems to work a treat too. 2750 was the price for 4 x 20 MG. Expensive, sure I can get cheaper elsewhere here. Will try in Patong soon.Thanks for the tips, I will try Cialis, for sure!!
Thanks for the tips, I will try Cialis, for sure!!I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.I believe Crown is what you're after. They are cheap on Amazon - 50 pack for $10 usd.
The only side effects I get are from overuse and I get kidney pain. That's if I've taken 3 x 20 MG in as many days.
I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.
Dextro Sol
08-04-17, 17:21
I believe Crown is what you're after. They are cheap on Amazon - 50 pack for $10 usd.Thank you LGuy1, I will look into that!!
Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.I tried Apcalis-sx 20 (generic Tadalafil 20 MG) made in India as a substitute for Viagra hoping to reduce the side effects. I purchased 5 boxes of 4 pills (250-500 baht) and they consistently worked well for me with minimal side effects and lasted well into the next day if taken in the afternoon. However, for some reason they are no longer available in the pharmacies that I use.
My experience with generic Viagra has ranged from no effect at all to a dick so stiff a cat couldn't scratch it to a visit to Bangkok hospital thinking I was having a heart attack.
Sagami and Okamoto make super thin condoms 0.01 but you have to check the size carefully as they tend to run toward the smaller size. The Sagami 0.02 and 0.03 are widely available in BKK.
Dextro Sol
08-05-17, 08:14
I don't use cialis anymore because at times it gives me headaches. And it lasts 3 days. So if it does result in a headache, I have a headache for 3 days straight.When I use Kamagra Gel I always get a runny nose. Don't know if I'd like to take the risk of 3 days with headache.
Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.Kamagra (Sildenafil) is not intended to last a long time. At 4 hours it is supposed to be at only 50% effective (which may well be more than enough for some people). So it is best used when sex is going to happen soon, if you don't think your dick will stay up long enough. 100 MG dose is far too high for most guys. 25 MG may well work well.
Cialis (Tadalafil) or generic Apcalis is supposed to last for much longer duration. Probably best to not split this one (I am not sure). It does nothing much in my case, so I don't bother to use it. Sounds like it doesn't work that well for DavidRim either but that is not the case for everyone. His delayed reaction, scientifically seems unlikely. Maybe some other factors interacted. E. g. I found my dick did not work well when took cough medication. Cough medication dulls feeling in your throat and in your dick as well. I envy those who need to drink alcohol to dull the feeling in the dick so they can last longer. I have opposite problem. Takes me too long to cum, so I certainly don't need plenty of alcohol to dampen the dick sensitivity further.
A girl recently asked me for advice to improve the sex life with her man, because when she rode him cowgirl style (in order to cum), his dick would wilt too quickly. Normally sex with him was all over too quickly so she never got to cum. I advised that she need to dose him with Kamagra, and apparently the advice worked well. He now stays up better so she can get her cum as well. I also advised her to lose her shyness and train him up in DATY. Haven't got a report on how that part went yet.
Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.
Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.
Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise. Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.
Tom.70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.
Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.
You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.
So with no mongering, no dependents to support, and living fugally you could well save 50 K per month. The catch is what your lifestyle will be. Will you eat and drink at the sports pub or restaurants? Transport costs. Holiday costs. Will you spend too much on girls? How many fucks do you need per month? How will you make them cheap ones? Will you manage to get freebies? Do you have any other expensive hobbies? I don't need to know your answers. You need to make a budget, and see how little savings will be left.
However be aware that guys thought they could live on tight budget but it is not always as much fun as they hoped. Others complained that originally their budget was fine, but costs went up, especially for mongering.
Suggest trying for very cheap room to stay at the start and see how your budget goes before upgrading to higher quality accomodation. If was me I would want to minimise overheads.
If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOL
MusicalToM
08-05-17, 21:04
70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.
Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.
You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.I appreciate it!
Mongering is something one should never add in monthly budget since it might go up / down depending upon one's taste and need. That's the only reason I didn't sum up the money which will go towards ladies. I do am going to spend some money on account of GF and those expenses will be recurring from my savings, and it varies month to month. I'm planning to get an induction to start cooking every now and then to save some money from that part. While going as a tourist I used to spend more on girls, but I believe this is something I'll have to control for sure. I did look into few rental pages in Facebook and it looks like 12 k is the minimum budget for a Studio /1 Bedroom condo with minimal facilities and not on a prime location.
Other things like transportation, vacations may be twice or thrice a year will be accountable from my savings. I know 70-75 k is not much but I'm trying to start with it making it as a base.
If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOLMe too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.
Me too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.George Best said it best.
Me too. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on women and good booze. The rest I just wasted.To paraphrase the old Visa / Mastercard commercial "Cost of Thai pussy: 10 million baht. The freedom I now have: priceless!
Cialis price update. Managed to get original Cialis in Patong for 2200 which is expensive but fair considering pricing elsewhere in the world. Definitely worth paying for branded, safe meds that actually work. Had a great weekend.
Interesting discussion. I have tried Kamagra Gel, it works quickly in about 15 minutes, but for me it has not so long effect. You say you get 2 days out of a 20 MG. Do you split the pill in smaller pieces, or only one pill work that long? I read DavidRim was offered Cialis for 2750 baht, how many pills for that price?
Another question, I read somewhere in this forum about a super thin condom made in Japan. Don't remember the name, so I hope somebody can update on name and where to buy them.
I appreciate it!
Mongering is something one should never add in monthly budget since it might go up / down depending upon one's taste and need. That's the only reason I didn't sum up the money which will go towards ladies. I do am going to spend some money on account of GF and those expenses will be recurring from my savings, and it varies month to month. I'm planning to get an induction to start cooking every now and then to save some money from that part. While going as a tourist I used to spend more on girls, but I believe this is something I'll have to control for sure. I did look into few rental pages in Facebook and it looks like 12 k is the minimum budget for a Studio /1 Bedroom condo with minimal facilities and not on a prime location.
Other things like transportation, vacations may be twice or thrice a year will be accountable from my savings. I know 70-75 k is not much but I'm trying to start with it making it as a base.I would suggest only keep the GF if she is very good value for money. Very few of my GFs have been, perhaps I am not stingy enough. Mongering can be cheaper unless GF gives a very good fuck very regularly.
Bear in mind that Electricity charges, to run your air con, are significant and could add 2k per month.
Yes I would not be surprised if nothing lower than 12K around Ekkamai. Market spoiled by presence of so many Japanese. I live (part time) further out where prices are a bit better. Many working girls live very cheaply (for rent) in Phra Khanong just a bit further out, but rooms standard maybe too low.
If was me, and I did not make a mongering budget, I could spend it all. I have cut back a lot on girls and also on dining and drinking outside home. If you like restaurants and pubs too much, you will spend. I have cut my attendance to the sports pub, because it has good food but it is not cheap.
Member #4591
08-06-17, 11:30
Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.
Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.
I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!
Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.
Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.
Tom.If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:
Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can afford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunate, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.
MusicalToM
08-06-17, 11:33
I would suggest only keep the GF if she is very good value for money. Very few of my GFs have been, perhaps I am not stingy enough. Mongering can be cheaper unless GF gives a very good fuck very regularly.
Bear in mind that Electricity charges, to run your air con, are significant and could add 2k per month.
Yes I would not be surprised if nothing lower than 12K around Ekkamai. Market spoiled by presence of so many Japanese. I live (part time) further out where prices are a bit better. Many working girls live very cheaply (for rent) in Phra Khanong just a bit further out, but rooms standard maybe too low.
If was me, and I did not make a mongering budget, I could spend it all. I have cut back a lot on girls and also on dining and drinking outside home. If you like restaurants and pubs too much, you will spend. I have cut my attendance to the sports pub, because it has good food but it is not cheap.Completely agree with you. It looks like it's going to be steep to live, enjoy and save a bit in this budget. May be I need to negotiate the offer to get more as an expat.
I wouldn't mind staying a bit away from Ekkamai, but if I'm going to spend more on transportation, it's not going to worth it. When I was dating this girl, she used to give me nice fucks but after she become GF the experience drastically changed. Now she is more like a starfish in bed and more passive during sex compared to earlier times. However she does give me regular fucks, although sometimes she argues with me about it. Now I'm habituated to it and kind of adjusted myself. I honestly don't think I'm going to spend much on fucks, may be once or twice a month on other girls.
Member #4591
08-06-17, 11:35
70 k would not be enough for all of us, however I am used to earning more and have too many regular commitments. If you don't have any things that you have to pay, then 70 k may well be okay Especially if is only a 40 k drop for you.
Look around and try to get a very cost effective room. You don't want to pay very high for that I guess. One guy told me he stays in one room accommodation for 10 K around Thonglor area. Can pay less if further out. However this is apartment block, not really "condo" quality. Higher quality can cost heaps more.
You can eat very cheaply in Thailand by buying food from street stalls or even preparing it yourself. I use an induction cooker on my balcony otherwise have only microwave on top of the fridge.
So with no mongering, no dependents to support, and living fugally you could well save 50 K per month. The catch is what your lifestyle will be. Will you eat and drink at the sports pub or restaurants? Transport costs. Holiday costs. Will you spend too much on girls? How many fucks do you need per month? How will you make them cheap ones? Will you manage to get freebies? Do you have any other expensive hobbies? I don't need to know your answers. You need to make a budget, and see how little savings will be left.
However be aware that guys thought they could live on tight budget but it is not always as much fun as they hoped. Others complained that originally their budget was fine, but costs went up, especially for mongering.
Suggest trying for very cheap room to stay at the start and see how your budget goes before upgrading to higher quality accomodation. If was me I would want to minimise overheads.
If I never had any GFs and never mongered, I would be very rich by now. LOLAll these points are very good. I notice the op said he's willing to take a pay cut because, well it's Bangkok. I assume that means he's excited to live here for obvious reasons. That being the case, I don't think he'll save any money whether he has a Thai girlfriend or no girlfriend and mongers. If he wants both, then his budget will be completely out of wak.
MusicalToM
08-06-17, 11:46
If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:
Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can affford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunalty, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.You said the truth. Going into mongering mode will exhaust all the amount, forget about saving. I already have a GF (I spend on her as well) and I'm hoping to fulfill my fuck needs mostly with her. However few visits to Oilies or GoGos is expected, like you said twice a month or so.
I definitely will rent a condo that's why planned a budget of 12 k for this. I'm planning to cook my dinner at home and lunch outside, thus saving some on food. Breakfast and snacks on weekdays will be offered at my workplace. I'm expecting a rough expenditure of 35-40 k per month including everything. However more expenses are expected if visiting GoGos more often!
A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.That's about right. I was in Bangkok a few weeks ago and spent around 7 k for the night. Had quite a bit to drink since I was on a 1 day visa run from Pakistan and had built up a month long thirst. Drinks for some girls, take a girl back tot he hotel, etc. All adds up.
If I lived in Bangkok 70 k would even cover my bar bills.
Shekhar647
08-06-17, 19:48
Senior in BKk,
I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.
MusicalToM
08-07-17, 02:43
Senior in BKk,
I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.Better go to Pattaya. If you'll do both, a lot of time you will spend on traveling and getting tired. Or if your flight timings are not matching for Pattaya, better stay at Bangkok. But be remembered that weekend usually attracts more people thus becomes expensive in terms of getting a fuck.
Better stay away from Russians, they will rip you off without literally providing anything. However if you still insists, better go any Freelance club like Thermae / Mixx and try your luck. Don't try the online services. Read fee pages of earlier reviews to get more idea.
Happy mongering!
If you plan to monger and rent a decent condo on suk, then the full 70 K won't be enough. Forget about 35 k. In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. My advice is as follows:
Rent a modest apt outside the city centre but near the BTS line such as the lat Phrao area. It should cost about 6,000 Baht per month plus utilities. Eat Thai food from street food stalls and walk wherever you can. If your goal is to find a Thai girlfriend, then you can affford a nicer place to live. But if you want to practice this hobby, stick to this plan. With this plan, you should be able to monger 2 times per month. Do an oily and then pick up one freelancer. Unfortunalty, the go go scene will be easy to blow your cash. A normal night out on Soi Cowboy or nana always runs me 6-8 K. That includes drinks for me and lady drinks for the girls in 3 or 4 different bars, a bite to eat, the bar fine, ST time room, and the St or LT rate for the girl. You can see just by this example, it won't be possible to save 35 K and be a regular monger at the go go bars.The problem with living in a small Thai style apartment is that there is generally no convenient way to cook, you may or may not have hot water, there are no exercise facilities, its noisy and after a while you get "cabin fever" and need to get out which always costs a lot more money than you think. If you are too far from the BTS transportation cost start to add up and it may be difficult to get a taxi or motorcycle. I live in a larger condo close to the BTS with a well equipped kitchen, washer / dryer, a gym and pool and don't mind spending time here and in fact often have friends over for dinner. In the long run this has proven to be cheaper and more typical of the style a farang is used to living. I think it would be difficult for the average farang to live like a Thai. The mongering aspect is a separate issue you will have to deal with depending on your needs.
Senior in BKk,
I need some help and guidance. I will have Saturday night and there in BLk till Monday afternoon. I have done both BkK and Pattaya in the past. Not sure what I should do. Never been on such a short trip. Any suggestions? Saturday seems more logical for BKk and Sunday is where I am confused. Any help. Will love to see Thai including Issan girls and Russians.Any day s the same in LOS when it is time to monger, Saturday or Sunday or working week.
Only difference is a religious holiday or royal event / anniversary. The sale of alcohol is prohibited and bars might even be closed.
Just stock your fridge if needed and boom girls through wechat or TF.
I would venture that Pattaya even if known to you. No much tourism but 100% scoring to make the few days memorable.
In my opinion, for the first few months, you will probably burn through most of your savings as well because it's difficult not to live like a tourist when you first arrive. It will seem like an extended vacation. Then when the money runs out and you start to live pay check to pay check, reality sets in. This is REALLY good advice.
... I live in a larger condo close to the BTS with a well equipped kitchen, washer / dryer, a gym and pool and don't mind spending time here and in fact often have friends over for dinner. In the long run this has proven to be cheaper and more typical of the style a farang is used to living. ...If you don't mind could you share the general location and a description (size, floor, view, balcony, rooms, etc,) of your place. Also the total cost by category (rent, service fee, utilities, etc.).
Thanks.
Is the sim card I get in pattaya the same card I will be wanting in phuket? Sim cards are not something I know much about. Thanks a lot.
If you don't mind could you share the general location and a description (size, floor, view, balcony, rooms, etc,) of your place. Also the total cost by category (rent, service fee, utilities, etc.).
Thanks.The condo is located on a soi near Ekamai BTS station, about 7-8 minute walk. It is in a 25-30 year old building but has been newly renovated. 130 m2, 2 bedrooms and 2 baths, large kitchen, washer / dryer in condo, two balconies providing a breeze through the condo. Nice pool on roof and old but adequate gym. Shit view but quiet. Rent is 30,000 baht and utilities run from 1200 to 3000 baht depending on season and visitors. 640 baht for internet. Covered parking.
Is the sim card I get in pattaya the same card I will be wanting in phuket? Sim cards are not something I know much about. Thanks a lot.You will use the same SIM everywhere in Thailand. This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. Unlimited plans are slightly higher. AIS adds bonus data to the plan for no extra charge. It just happens. They've already added half a gig to my plan. Calls in Thailand are B1 per minute and calls to US are B3 per minute. AIS has good customer service by dialing 1175. You can call that number and set the language to English. I've used them a few times and they are pretty helpful. I'm getting 4 G service everywhere in BKK. Internet is blazing fast here. Faster than in California.
I'm sure you know you need to get your phone unlocked to use a Thai SIM card.
You will use the same SIM everywhere in Thailand. This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. Unlimited plans are slightly higher. AIS adds bonus data to the plan for no extra charge. It just happens. They've already added half a gig to my plan. Calls in Thailand are B1 per minute and calls to US are B3 per minute. AIS has good customer service by dialing 1175. You can call that number and set the language to English. I've used them a few times and they are pretty helpful. I'm getting 4 G service everywhere in BKK. Internet is blazing fast here. Faster than in California.
I'm sure you know you need to get your phone unlocked to use a Thai SIM card.Great advice. Get 2 SIM cards if you can because the girls will be blowing up your phone if you give out your number. If you can download the app to block calls.
HorseTrader
08-09-17, 17:29
... This week I bought an AIS 1-2- Call SIM at Terminal 21's 6th floor. B450 for 30 days with 3 GB data. Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and they will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.
Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and they will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.If you have iPhone or iPad you can down free MagicJack app and make free calls to USA and Canada over wifi. It will show you are calling from a Florida area code. I have found the calls to have better connection over strong wifi.
I am not sure it is free for android cell phones.
Great information! Sounds like all I need to do is go to AIS on the 6th floor of Terminal 21 and t+in hey will take care of everything for about $14 US per month.
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.True and DTAC, the other major Thai cell providers, also have booths right next to AIS on T21's 6th floor. You can shop for the best deal. I prefer AIS because I feel it more English user friendly. You should have them set up the internet for you on your phone. The 3 carriers also have booths at BKK but I get slightly better deals elsewhere.
Banana Boi
08-12-17, 08:11
If you have iPhone or iPad you can down free MagicJack app and make free calls to USA and Canada over wifi. It will show you are calling from a Florida area code. I have found the calls to have better connection over strong wifi.
I am not sure it is free for android cell phones.Thanks I will give this app a try.
BushRusher
08-12-17, 11:54
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.You get international unlimited free slow data and text and US0. 20 per min on calls on a Post Paid T-mobile plan which is primarily used in the US. Meaning you have a US number to receive calls or see the caller ID of the person calling. Many free US calling and receiving options.
IMHO, a cheap 2 SIM burner Android phone is worth the price for local data and calls. Some of the MOTO phones are under US100 on sale and can cover most of the worlds LTE bands.
Plenty of places around selling prepaid SIMs and the staff is willing to setup for you. You just need the APN settings.
My last trip I used the international service offered by my USA based ATT. That cost about $120 per month for only 800 MB of data, and then I paid about $0.40 per minute for my calls to USA.I use the $60 add on which is for 300 MB and $0. 5 calls. I find this is enough for me since losts of places have free wifi.
There are many free Internet calling apps out there to make calls to the US. Fewer allow you to receive non Internet initiated calls. For Internet initiated calls, Whatsapp is very stable.
I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.
Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down? I went there looking for a beer at about 2100 hrs last night and it was closed down. Disappointing for me as I have had some good times there in the past.
Next, has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?
Thanks.
AussieDoug
08-13-17, 12:31
I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.
Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down?
Office closed down some time last year, don't know exactly when. It was losing money IMHO, but difficult to get that confirmed. With sports on pay tv in Thailand the reason for the punters to show up just disappeared. The quality of the girls has been going downhill for some time, I got a few young ones out of there in the past years, but towards the end they were looking more like old aunties and the English was getting more difficult.
Dear all,
Although I am a member for several years, I took notice of the price thread today only.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1083-Prices
The forum is full of posts complaining about increasing prices and guys asking for price information in paticular threads.
The price thread being a general one could be a very useful tool for all of us, so I would like to encourage my fellow mongers to put some recent info there. IMO it could be done in a brief way (widely practiced already) mentioning:
Country.
City.
Type of establishment.
ST / LT.
Looks of the lady X /10.
Performance X /10.
Price.
Link to your post.
Sorry for cross posting, happy mongering!
Country.
City.
Type of establishment.
ST / LT.
Looks of the lady X /10.
Performance X /10.
Price.
Link to your post.
Sorry for cross posting, happy mongering!Interesting idea, but I could not be bothered switching forums, for one, and 2 ndly hate the price Police and those bragging about how cheap they could get it.
I can get very cheap girls too however quality of looks or skills or session time suffer, unless girl is only a semi pro.
You can always create a Price thread in the Thailand forum, for me to avoid. LOL.
Interesting idea, but I could not be bothered switching forums, for one, and 2 ndly hate the price Police and those bragging about how cheap they could get it.
I can get very cheap girls too however quality of looks or skills or session time suffer, unless girl is only a semi pro.
You can always create a Price thread in the Thailand forum, for me to avoid. LOL.I ageee, it just makes sense that quote prices in a report to have a bearing and be aware of how the market is.
Then each one can decide.
Price police is no good, but a mild warning somebody has overpaying is a friendly hint to make him aware not to be ripped off again.
Then the +- 500 can come and go, and no harm is done to anyone.
I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night. I came to Phuket to where the gyms are at in Chalong so I could take some bjj during the day. But there isn't much night life here. There are no baht buses. I don't really want to hire a motor bike taxi to explore and don't want to rent one to drive. I didn't like patong beach at all, though I didn't give it much of a chance at one day.
So I am back to Pattaya in a few days. Going to stay there maybe 4 or 5 days then off to chiang mai. From things I see online e it has some daytime and some night time fun. I like a busy street life with lots of food vendors, beer bars and baht buses. Chaing Mai has a bjj place also. I would like to take a bit of thai language classes, but they seem expensive and more serious then I am looking for. I would like to learn a couple dozen phrases. And simple greetings, not the whole language or grammar etc.
Not much of a report other then to say chalong is boring.
I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night. I came to Phuket to where the gyms are at in Chalong so I could take some bjj during the day. But there isn't much night life here. There are no baht buses. I don't really want to hire a motor bike taxi to explore and don't want to rent one to drive. I didn't like patong beach at all, though I didn't give it much of a chance at one day.
So I am back to Pattaya in a few days. Going to stay there maybe 4 or 5 days then off to chiang mai. From things I see online e it has some daytime and some night time fun. I like a busy street life with lots of food vendors, beer bars and baht buses. Chaing Mai has a bjj place also. I would like to take a bit of thai language classes, but they seem expensive and more serious then I am looking for. I would like to learn a couple dozen phrases. And simple greetings, not the whole language or grammar etc.
Not much of a report other then to say chalong is boring.I've been trying to learn Thai a couple different ways. Was at the point of giving up for good. Seemed like an impossible task. Have met a few ladies on Thai Friendly that have offered to help in the past. Never took them up on it. I met a really sexy lady about a month ago on TF that offered to help. I must say this is way better than other lessons. Not only am I actually learning it and understanding it. It's super fun bc it's with a sexy lady I'm going to meet. Finally, in three days now. Still don't feel like I have a excellent grasp. It wasn't full steam ahead fast learning which made it not as hard and easier to understand. But anyway! Might try it with someone that makes it more interesting. And possibly free at that. Good luck!
Crocodilexp
08-20-17, 23:24
could take some bjj during the day... Chaing Mai has a bjj place alsoWhat's a bjj? A blow job job?
What's a bjj? A blow job job?Brazillian jiu jitsu.
I've been trying to learn Thai a couple different ways. Was at the point of giving up for good. Seemed like an impossible task. Have met a few ladies on Thai Friendly that have offered to help in the past. Never took them up on it. I met a really sexy lady about a month ago on TF that offered to help. I must say this is way better than other lessons. Not only am I actually learning it and understanding it. It's super fun bc it's with a sexy lady I'm going to meet. Finally, in three days now. Still don't feel like I have a excellent grasp. It wasn't full steam ahead fast learning which made it not as hard and easier to understand. But anyway! Might try it with someone that makes it more interesting. And possibly free at that. Good luck!Learning Thai is a multi year task. You ought to get some basics from a combination of book and teacher. The teacher is important to get pronunciation going more or less close to correct.
My Thai improved in leaps and bounds when I had sexy Thai ladies staying with me full time (25 years ago you could book girls for bulk time cheaply and STs hardly existed), but this only works well if they cannot speak English, because if they feel their English is better than your Thai, they will naturally try to communicate in English. So that is why some early self study and teacher classes would be a good idea. Several Thai sounds do not exist in English and even basic vowel sounds differ significantly from English vowels. Especially if you are American, you need to learn to make many Thai sounds a lot shorter. Thai with American accent is amusing.
Use a flashcards App to study vocab. I use Flashcards Deluxe and feed it with an extensive spreadsheet. In early stages concentrate heavily on pronunciation of the Thai sounds and the tones. If you pronounce completely wrong vowel sounds, you may not be understood (unlike in English). Fortunately Thai Grammar is almost non-existent and dead easy.
Paiboon Talking Thai English Dictionary App is good. You can hear how the words are pronounced.
I have extensive and sufficient vocab, but it takes a lot of time and effort, persistence over years, unless you are super brilliant at picking up languages.
I left Pattaya because I couldn't find anything to do during the day and didn't want to hit the bars every night.When in Pattaya I always stay at a hotel with at least a decent pool, and spending time by the pool is my primary daytime non-punting activity. Legit massages, lunch, walking the BR promenade, shopping, errands, and general exploring are others. Not really interested in playing golf or visiting a croc farm. I think there was a 'Things to do in Pattaya during the day' thread a while back.
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MusicalToM
08-21-17, 18:04
Learning Thai is a multi year task. You ought to get some basics from a combination of book and teacher. The teacher is important to get pronunciation going more or less close to correct.When it comes to teachers, one could enroll him / herself for a Thai learning course starting from as low as 15 k a year with one / couple of classes a week. Working in a Thai speaking environment also helps a lot.
Now-a-days some organizations are coming with Express Thai learning courses which lasts for 3-5 days (classes everyday) and they teach some basic phrases and vocabularies.
When it comes to teachers, one could enroll him / herself for a Thai learning course starting from as low as 15 k a year with one / couple of classes a week. Working in a Thai speaking environment also helps a lot.
Now-a-days some organizations are coming with Express Thai learning courses which lasts for 3-5 days (classes everyday) and they teach some basic phrases and vocabularies.3 to 5 days is just an appetite wetter or the opposite.
Takes significant time to just get pronunciation going good, like months unless intensive.
HorneeFalang
08-22-17, 14:07
has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?Yes. It is utterly deplorable how the fat count has increased and it's not just in Bangkok! I live up country Isaan and the days of the lithe LBFJ's (little brown fucking jobs) everywhere is slowly decreasing. Many of these Khway pack on the pounds at an early age these days. My Fatdar detects an increasing amount of these in the surrounding villages to where I live. It is simply devastating. They are well fed and the amount of sugar that is consumed is astounding, however they are not at the level of the Bush pigs from the other worlds. Yet.
MusicalToM
08-22-17, 17:58
3 to 5 days is just an appetite wetter or the opposite.
Takes significant time to just get pronunciation going good, like months unless intensive.True. Understanding the pronunciations is very very important to keep the meaning of the word up to the point.
From my Lao learning experience, I even found out the same word could be pronounced in different ways to carry different meanings. For example, the word "Chao" in Lao can be pronounced like "Sao" or "Tchao" carrying different meanings.
Also, don't forget the fact that, Thai in Bangkok and in Isaan / border states near Malaysia are different. Recently, I went to a Tribal village near Chiang Mai where I found out the Tribal people's Thai is significantly different from mainstream Thai. They say people in southern Thailand tends to speak sweet Thai when compared to Isaan or northern part of Thailand.
So I will be arriving Friday AUG 25 AT 10 am in Bangkok after 27 hours of flight. Been contemplating booking a fast pass. I've read where lines have been long lately. I've also ready where most airlines give business class customers free fast pass. I've also read reports years back that said it was useless because regular line is usually empty for business class and you end up waiting for luggage which most of the passengers are already through lines. But things have changed since those reports. So does China Airlines offer a free fast pass service for business class? I contacted the airline but communication is a joke. Arriving at 10 am would it be worth buying a fast pass? It's relatively cheap. After such a long flight I'd like to make this painless. But don't want to buy one if given free through airline. Any suggestions?
I've arrived in Bangkok, first trip for a year or so. A question and an observation.
Firstly, does anyone know when and why The Office off Soi 33 closed down? I went there looking for a beer at about 2100 hrs last night and it was closed down. Disappointing for me as I have had some good times there in the past.
Next, has anyone noticed how fat Thai women are getting in Bangkok in particular as Thailand getting more Westernized? I've got to say it's disappointing. Why the fuck Thai women want to look more like the fat Bush pigs we have to put up with in the west has got me stuffed. Has anyone else noticed this as well or is it an illusion?
Thanks.Many years ago, it was quite common for the married Thai ladies to let themselves go, say from the age of 35 to 40, and get fat. Some good examples of famous high up people in Thai society.
However the modern problem is the big increase in the numbers of fat 20 to 30 year olds, probably due to western diets. Too much sugar and starch.
It is noticeable that bar girls have become a lot fatter recently as well due to crackdown on drugs, such as Yaa Baa, Ice, etc. There are still some girls in the P4 P industry using drugs as a weight loss mechanism. Saw a new girl in Sharks that was quite pretty, but she just needs to loose about 10 Kg. LOL Young but quite unnecessarily chubby.
So does China Airlines offer a free fast pass service for business class? Yes, both ways.
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.IMHO, you need to engage in managing expectations. Don't know if you are game to keeping her as a second wife.
MakeItOrBreak
08-23-17, 17:26
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.Laugh make a joke out of it see her response she might be treading the water. Most likely she want a free vacation with you and you get hopefully a fun companion. Risk is she does a personality change on you and think it's okay to expect going expensive shopping.
Roll the dice and see what you get!
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.For the best answer is to ask her.
Huh? What you mean hunny?
Member #4698
08-23-17, 19:17
My advice is let it go and treat it as a Google language translation error. I would assume she is just referring to a romantic getaway. Never use the word "Honeymoon" or refer to it again and she will most likely never use the term again either. I am pretty sure the girl did not intend it to mean more than a romantic tryst. If she were a Filipina it might have the marital meaning, many Filipinas have proposed to me LOL, but this would be a very strange and unusual proposal coming from a Thai girl. Thai girls are usually not that forward.
Now ask yourself this: do YOU want to take this girl on a little romantic holiday? If your answer is yes, then respond to her chat with a casual suggestion or invitation saying that it would be nice to go somewhere together for a few days and refer to it as a romantic holiday, or beach holiday, or hill country getaway. 3 nights is about the right amount of time for a first time trip together. Every day longer than 3 days dramatically increases the odds of something going wrong. Keep in mind, you are not going to be making love all the time, in fact, the majority of your time together will be doing other things, including doing mundane things, so make sure you are compatible and that you go somewhere that you both can enjoy like Phuket or Ko Chang (the beach) or Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, or Mae Hong Son. (the Hill Country)
http://wikitravel.org/en/Mae_Hong_Son_Loop).
If you are unsure about taking her somewhere then don't bring up the idea again and let it whither on the vine. Just say you are looking forward to seeing her again and leave it at that.
My adviceOK, thanks for the quick replies! Natty thanks for the 3 day length suggestion. Sounds like the right amount and yes, I would love to take her on a romantic getaway. I'm curious how the bar compensation will be but it won't be till next year anyway.
Yes, both ways.You're the man! Was just about to book to play it safe! Thanks!
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.
FormulaOneFan
08-24-17, 07:07
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.As has been said. Likely a longer more focused time and / or trip to a destination is what she's meaning.
My lone experience 'falling' for a WG (a thermae girl) went differently and I've been meaning to post, so why not now?
I met this girl at Thermae in March. Went with her 3 consecutive nights on a BKK trip. On the third night we exchanged Whatsapp info and chatted the weeks following. Talk from her went from 'when will you be back?' to 'I love you honey, we should be together' kinda talk. No asks for money, but I thought I was smitten. We messaged almost daily and it escalated to video chats, etc. I had a trip planned to BKK for work in May and we discussed her staying with me when I returned.
I arrived in BKK in May and she met me at my hotel, and as discussed she stayed with me for the week; save for a 2 day trip to Pattaya. When I was in-country (and in Pattaya) she and I spent most of out time together, but I explored the MP scene in BKK as well as the 2 days in Pattaya where I had a great time. In her world I was in BKK to be with her, in mine I was there for work (she knew) as well as to play (she must have known, but I didn't explicitly state). We had a great time together. Dinners out, dancing at nightclubs, etc. Overall it was a great trip. Mix of a GFE caring girl at my beck and call, but the freedom to step out and explore a bit.
When I got back home the messaging and video chats ramped up. She started talking about "love" and "marriage" in ways that had never been discussed before. At first I was flattered. She's 10+ years my junior but I'm not stupid. Things were fine for a while but then it got crazy. She went home to get her papers in order to get a passport and make sure her papers were in order to marry a foreigner. She wanted to video chat with me and her parents to allow us to get to know each other. Also, she started getting super suspicious / jealous / angry if I wasn't available to chat / video with her when it was convenient for her. WTF. She fucks dudes for money and she's grilling me about my daily life and who I'm seeing / what I'm doing on a daily basis. Not good. I travel a lot for work (US, asia, and europe) and I'm often out with customers, colleauges, etc and in different time-zones, so being her 'on demand' boyfriend wasn't in the cards.
I ended up blocking her on Whatsapp and WeChat, as well as blacklisting her number on my cell for calls / texts. That was 2 mos ago she still to this day texts me (blocked, but I get a notification) about once or twice a week. She also found me on facebook (whatsapp is now owned by FB, so be careful) so I had to change my privacy settings to block her from my personal feed.
Long story short. For those of us that visit the land of smiles for a nice GFE experience and consider keeping in touch with that 'special girl' you meet one night; think twice about how you connect. Whatsapp exposes your phone number. If you want to share info, consider WeChat instead. Also, if you return for a longer experience, keep tabs on things.
When I got back home the messaging and video chats ramped up. She started talking about "love" and "marriage" in ways that had never been discussed before. At first I was flattered. She's 10+ years my junior but I'm not stupid. Things were fine for a while but then it got crazy. She went home to get her papers in order to get a passport and make sure her papers were in order to marry a foreigner. She wanted to video chat with me and her parents to allow us to get to know each other. Also, she started getting super suspicious / jealous / angry if I wasn't available to chat / video with her when it was convenient for her. WTF. She fucks dudes for money and she's grilling me about my daily life and who I'm seeing / what I'm doing on a daily basis. Not good. I travel a lot for work (US, asia, and europe) and I'm often out with customers, colleauges, etc and in different time-zones, so being her 'on demand' boyfriend wasn't in the cards.
This type of Thai love is typically different from Farang love. Thais have economic love where they consider what guy might be best for their future and a pathway to be give up hooking and be supported. I had an ex Thai GF extremely jealous, but it was more like guarding her property, than like a Farang romance.
You made the right decision. You want a far more sensible girl. Real love should arrive very slowly indeed and also not disappear easily too. Fall for a girl quick, and likely will lose interest real quick too, or just find she is not really a match at all.
Even my long term current Thai GF admits that initially she was with me more for economic reasons than anything else. She had no money and economic difficulties. Respite from that was really great for her. She did not expect me to stick to her long term. She was extremely untrusting of guys in general, whether Thai or Farang. Certainly she was not going to fall for me real quickly. Eventually we became more like a normal couple but took a lot of time. After many years she has got used to us being a couple, and trusts that I am reliable and not likely to dump her for no reason. We are not perfectly suited sexually, but otherwise quite good.
So I was recently in Thailand, and I kinda fell for a bar girl. Yeah I know! But anyways, I kept in touch with her after through her Facebook and I would send pics, she would send pics, and I would say I miss you, she would back. Yada yada but yesterday she wrote the following:
"When you come back again we go hunnymoon OK?
Is this a new term for long, long time? Meaning like a week? I'm fine with that, I just hope she isn't thinking marriage as that wasn't discussed. We had a great time and I want to see her again but.I have taken several Thai girls away for a fake "honeymoon" and had a great time, but be wary about falling for them. You don't really know a girl till have been with her at least 2 years, and probably longer if meet only part time.
Best to just see it as a holiday with a temporary fun wife, and plenty of "hunny". Thai girls can make really excellent temporary wives. Can be better than a real GF. I paid them to be my temporary wife, to avoid romance implications.
Last year took my regular Gik to Singapore for 3 days and had a great time. However Singapore is a bit too expensive.
Hotman 666
08-24-17, 10:29
OK, thanks for the quick replies! Natty thanks for the 3 day length suggestion. Sounds like the right amount and yes, I would love to take her on a romantic getaway. I'm curious how the bar compensation will be but it won't be till next year anyway.Hack,
A good place for a short romantic break could be Bang Saen, a small, mostly Thai resort between BKK and Pattaya. Very laid back with great sea food and minimal travel costs, probably 500 to 800 Baht by taxi from BKK.
I like hotel Sez at the northern end of Bang Saen, very modern with GREAT multi person showers. It is used by many Thais from BKK for a short weekend break.
The last time I was there I was the only Farang staying in the hotel!
Enjoy, Hotman.
Every day longer than 3 days dramatically increases the odds of something going wrong. Keep in mind, you are not going to be making love all the time, in fact, the majority of your time together will be doing other things, including doing mundane things, so make sure you are compatible and that you go somewhere that you both can enjoy like Phuket or Ko Chang (the beach) or Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, or Mae Hong Son. (the Hill Country)
http://wikitravel.org/en/Mae_Hong_Son_Loop).
If you are unsure about taking her somewhere then don't bring up the idea again and let it whither on the vine. Just say you are looking forward to seeing her again and leave it at that.I agree with this very much. Good to check if the girl likes snorkelling or beech activities or not because she is too afraid her skin will go dark colour. Some of the other options are good.
One girl I know recently went to Maldives with a guy. She came back still with white skin. LOL Lots of SPF 50 or stayed out of the sun completely?
Tham Kaew Komon (Crystal Cave) is amazing, if happen to be in Mae Hong Son, but it is a far trip on a winding road to Mae La Noi district and is closed in rainy season (open Oct). I see now it is mentioned in Natty's link about the long winding Loop tour, and is a MUST! Very worth it for me and my girl. Other caves are shit in comparison (e. G. The touristy stinky bat shit cave Tham Lod is not worthwhile in my opinion).
The other guy suggested Bang Saen. I suggest not. That is too down market to interest the girl very much. A family beach destination. The girl could go there anytime of her own volition if she wanted it, being so close and so cheap. That would be well below the style of Natty or myself. Pick something more exciting if you can afford it. Phi Phi Island, Krabi, or even Hua Hin or Koh Samet might be good enough. Koh Lipe is really good but far and not well known (near to west most border with Malaysia). A lot of Scandinavian tourists go there who love the nature. In past I took an MP girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island (3 days) and I had a great time indeed. I also took a girl to Koh Lipe, or rather she took me, since she lived not far away in Satun province.
So many good options in Thailand, but check what the girl likes most. Some day I must take a girl to Nakhorn Wat (Angor Wat) in Cambodia, and may choose a Cambodian girl from Siem Riap to be my guide since she speaks the lingo as well as Thai, besides being slim sexy and a good fuck.
BushRusher
08-24-17, 12:33
As has been said. Likely a longer more focused time and / or trip to a destination is what she's meaning.
My lone experience 'falling' for a WG (a thermae girl) went differently and I've been meaning to post, so why not now?
Long story short. For those of us that visit the land of smiles for a nice GFE experience and consider keeping in touch with that 'special girl' you meet one night; think twice about how you connect. Whatsapp exposes your phone number. If you want to share info, consider WeChat instead. Also, if you return for a longer experience, keep tabs on things.The second wife situation is acceptable in many cultures. Be aware, that it is wife situation with all the ups and downs and problems. Very dangerous if you are a foreigner or where you do not have a backup team. I suspect there are some stories on this site. IMHO, keep away from it. Most women will go psycho at some point.
Seen many guys try to guide a gal to an exclusive relation. It might work so long as the money keeps flowing. Think wiser to have an understanding of an honeymoon when you feel like it and for the duration you want. No future guarantees.
I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.All, thanks again for the many replies and suggestions! Especially the destination spots. She is from Phuket so maybe an island close by. Again this won't be till early 2018 so I have time!
F1 fan, things aren't even close to that level but I will watch out and thanks for the WhatsApp warning but she already had my FB!
Eihtooms, that is the spelling she used! Hunnymoon. I thought it was a typo but now that you said that maybe it's just a LT offer? I still haven't responded to the honeymoon comment but maybe I'll jokingly ask where she wants to go today. And suggest a 3 day adventure.
I have had Thai girls, both P4 P and regular date girls, use the term "honeymoon / hunnymoon" many times. They have never meant it to be related to getting married and, in my memory, not even pushing for a 2-3 day trip out of town together, although they all like the idea of that. They have always only meant a night of sex together. Especially with bargirls, the joke goes something like, "Honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow!" LOL.Good to provide that insight since I never heard a Thai girl use this term at all, at least that I can remember now. I could easily have forgotten. For sure we cannot expect them to be able to spell Honey correctly. The only girl I know so forward to suggest a lot of sex, would be more straight forward as she speaks very good English and has known me years so not shy. She would say: "We should fuck all day" or "I want you to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me while I am sleeping". LOL So if any girl said lets have a Hunnymoon, I would assume it meant a special trip away (possibly) with copious sex assumed, but I would not be totally certain. Assumptions are dangerous.
So best just ask the girl how long is the hunnymoon and where should it happen?
Never heard that joke either. I normally speak Thai with bargirls and quite unsure how it would be said in Thai. "Married today, divorced tomorrow", might not have the same level of sexual connotation.
For fun I looked up Honeymoon in a dictionary. Got two results (learn something new):
1. garn deum nam pheung phrajan. Which literally means "drinking honey of the moon" (very funny. So seems to be a Thai Euphemism used to indicate a Honeymoon).
2. bpai han-nee-moon. Thai has this word Honeymoon as well (borrowed from English) spelled slightly different of course in Thai script. So "go on a honeymoon".
Thai-Language.com:
Khuu baao saao ja bpai han-nee-muun thee chiiang mai.
In this example the Thai translates to: "The married couple will go Honeymoon in Chiang Mai", so seems there could be an implication of travel.
Thai Honeymoon could be on the cheap though. Go no where, just stay indoors for 3 days of fucking. LOL Just one night?
Hardly seems to qualify for a Honeymoon, but I can't say I know how Thai girls use it.
I have heard the term "Kheun Sawan" which means "Go to heaven" a Euphemism for extremely pleasurable sex bout.
Never heard that joke either. I normally speak Thai with bargirls and quite unsure how it would be said in Thai. "Married today, divorced tomorrow", might not have the same level of sexual connotation.
I don't think the term "honeymoon" or the joke about it is Thai in origin or commonly used by Thais either. My impression was it was a word they'd heard from a farang and thought the joke was funny so repeated it. Last time I heard a Thai woman say the "honeymoon tonight, divorce tomorrow" bit was a server in Twisters go-go bar in Nana Plaza about a month ago when she gestured to the girls on stage trying to entice me to choose one to barfine.
This is for those with no experiece. I needed to extend my visa. I have been here almost 1 month and did not get the visa extension at the airport. I am an American. I went to the immigration office at Phuket Town. It was the closest to me. All I had to do was fill out form, show passport, make a couple of copies of different pages of passport, get a passport photo and pay. The people at the immigration office were friendly and helpful. The process was quick.
Some things you will need are a pen, address of where you are staying, departure ticket and I think that was it. I didn't have departure ticket and it was not a problem at all. It cost me 1900 baht, plus 126 baht for photo and copies.
I hope this helps anyone with worries. It was all in all quick and easy.
This is for those with no experiece. I needed to extend my visa. I have been here almost 1 month and did not get the visa extension at the airport. I am an American. I went to the immigration office at Phuket Town. It was the closest to me. All I had to do was fill out form, show passport, make a couple of copies of different pages of passport, get a passport photo and pay. The people at the immigration office were friendly and helpful. The process was quick.
Some things you will need are a pen, address of where you are staying, departure ticket and I think that was it. I didn't have departure ticket and it was not a problem at all. It cost me 1900 baht, plus 126 baht for photo and copies.
I hope this helps anyone with worries. It was all in all quick and easy.That is very nice indeed. It is not quick and easy in Bangkok. Have to go to inconvenient location Chaeng Wattana Soi 7 and there is usually a very long queue of people doing the same thing. Monday and Friday are not the greatest, LOL!
Beware of leaving it till the last day, and finding it is a public holiday. So always do it maybe 3 government business days in advance of your 30 days expiring.
The government is starting to take a harder line on guys like me who were doing many freebie entries into Thailand per year. Officially they want to limit it to two times. It is better now for me to pay for a proper 6 month multi entry VISA and be allowed to stay 60 days without having to go to get an extension. But it costs.
Its all about the government making money from us, nothing to do with whether we are a risk to Thailand in some way. LOL
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