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RCA Knight
11-30-06, 19:42
In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans.
2000 lady ST
600 pay bar
300 ST room
300 drinks
total 3200 or about 90 USD
or a typical sideline girl at Ratchada 2500-3500
which is 70-100 USD plus tip
With these prices now, BKK can be even more expensive in ladies than HK, Macau, or Singapore ect all these first world destinations, which really offer lots more variety and quality of ladies than Thailand as well as a more vibrant nightlife.
With the extreme high Thai bahts, for cheaper and quality hunting, it seems China has quickly become the leader of this industries in Asia. I made a few trips to Chengdu, Choqqin, Dalian, Chingdao, Zuhai ect in China this 2 years, I was also very impressed with the cost/quality performance in China. At the same times, Thailand is getting so bad in this cost/quality performance field. To me its becoming less and less attractive to come here for night fun.
In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans. ...
RCA Knight,
Yes, a fortune! A pirates treasure!
The SGD moved (nearly) parallel to the THB. That makes the Singapore girls cheaper, or not?
In Hongkong you pay in Wanchai approx. 2,000 HKG, for LT. That is for sure much less than THB 2,000.
The THB just moved a maximum of 13 % against the US$ this year. 13 % of THB 2,000.00 - that is really a lot, from the mongering POV!
When I will stay in New York next time I will try to eat a pizza from that difference.
Giotto
In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans.
2000 lady ST
600 pay bar
300 ST room
300 drinks
total 3200 or about 90 USD
or a typical sideline girl at Ratchada 2500-3500
which is 70-100 USD plus tip
With these prices now, BKK can be even more expensive in ladies than HK, Macau, or Singapore ect all these first world destinations, which really offer lots more variety and quality of ladies than Thailand as well as a more vibrant nightlife.
With the extreme high Thai bahts, for cheaper and quality hunting, it seems China has quickly become the leader of this industries in Asia. I made a few trips to Chengdu, Choqqin, Dalian, Chingdao, Zuhai ect in China this 2 years, I was also very impressed with the cost/quality performance in China. At the same times, Thailand is getting so bad in this cost/quality performance field. To me its becoming less and less attractive to come here for night fun.Well its not the THB that have gone up its USD that is down so wherever you go you aren’t getting the bang for the buck that you got 2-3 years ago.
But yes the chance to get a good performance in bed from a Chinese girl is % much better (IMOP) than from a TG, but the fun factor in China if you don’t speak Chinese….well hmm fun?
But if you know some place in China where you can sit and have a beer in the middle of the day surrounded by hot and willing girls or a place where you can choose your girl for the evening like in Nana Plaza please let me know.
And the prices aren’t that much better than in LOS.
In a Sauna/massage i pay around 3000 THB , the ones sent to the hotel room 2000 THB ST and around 1000 THB ST in some other places. (if I convert RMB to THB) and this was 1 moth ago.
But its possible that I overpay, I don’t know.
Yo bro,
I reckon its not so much on the price.
It more of a personal preference.
I find Thai girls are more passionate on what they do.
Specially when they call you "Honey", "Darlin'"...etc haha
Thai girls are fun to be with.
But you are right on the bar fine, I think they should get rid of the bar fine system.
However at the end of the day, someone got to make a living out of it. Haaa
frankly, some don't really care if it is 90$, 60$ or 125$.
it is all about having a good time.
One could go to Chinatown and have a ST in the afternoon for 9$, (yes, that's nine), so it averages out to only 50 or 60 per girl.
or one could stay home and jack off to WR's pics!
I have talked to many TGs who fly to SIN for 2 weeks, and get 4,000 Bt ST.
I think some brothels in Cambodia charge 3$ or 5$.
I'll stick to BKK, pay whatever the hell I feel like, and have a good time!
RCA Knight,
Yes, a fortune! A pirates treasure!
The SGD moved (nearly) parallel to the THB. That makes the Singapore girls cheaper, or not?
In Hongkong you pay in Wanchai approx. 2,000 HKG, for LT. That is for sure much less than THB 2,000.
The THB just moved a maximum of 13 % against the US$ this year. 13 % of THB 2,000.00 - that is really a lot, from the mongering POV!
When I will stay in New York next time I will try to eat a pizza from that difference.
Giotto
G, you mean ONE SLICE of pizza.
...2000 lady ST...
This scares me coming from you as previously your info has been good, but 2,000 ST for a lady is way off, even for Nana, and even for the Rainbow bars which are amongst the highest.
ST can be had in Nana, from good looking, sexy girls for 1,000 with a bit of negotiation, although hit and miss depending on bar, girl, time etc. But the max for ST without any negotiation, is 1,500 Baht. These are prices i get quoted and pay, i am middle aged and overweight, so it ain't no hansom man thing, If they say 2,000 to me, i simply smile, and explain its actually a 1,000, but you're cute, so i'll give you 500 hundred more. 100% hit rate, and this only applies to Rainbow bars where 2,000 has even been quoted. Even Angelwitch quote 1,500.
Having said that it's a difference of 10-20 USD, so as 1ball said, most people don't care.
I have been to Thailand 6 times in the past 2 years, I am no spring chicken, no great bodied lad but the most I have paid is about 1500baht long time, I would say on average 1000baht, I was last in Los in March this year and am two weeks away from returning so look forward to seeing whats happening. I rarely bar fine (unless I see a 10/10) but talk to the girl and arrange to meet afterwards, buyh a little food some drink and most are so happy in the morning with the 1000baht, pay some attention to these ladies and most will respond.
RCA Knight
12-01-06, 09:46
About the 2000 baht ST, I was talking about the quality ones in Nana like these in the Rainbows. Each store has about 4-5 of them, and they are very firm on the ST price of 2000. Others will go for 1500 no problem. But with the cost of the girl rising compared to 5 years ago(about 5 yaers ago almost all were willing to go at 1000 ST in Nana or Soi Cow and many nice massage sideliners were still around 2000 bahts everywhere), I find the recent cost rise in these recent years do not match up with the quality, on the contrary, I definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself.
About China scenes. Many people think its hard to find action without speaking Chinese, but I think its not true. I speak about 30 word now, I learned after I discovered China 2 yaers ago. There are actions all over in every single town of the country. And there is one big big plus, there is a huge freebie scene in China. There are always many ordinary girls who like to become your friends becasue you are foriegners. So I find both pay senee and free scene both very exciting in China.
The reason I brough up China is that it is directly competing with Thailand in this fireld. The Asian mongers have known China for many yeras, now the western mongers also have invaded China in recent years. In all the popular towns there are tons of western hunters that are shifting their focus from other destinations like Thailand, Brazil, to China.
The China girls atitude vary from heaven to hell, so it's true every session is hit or miss. But the quality and availability is much greater than Thailand. There are even 24 hours saunas or karaokes or lady houses in most towns. Also the discos and pubs are full of pros, amatures, and freebies, I had quite a few freelance stunners that cost less than a ST screw in Nana Plaza, and I had some really heavenly beauty stay with me for a few days and simply asked me to take her for a short trip. Also Had many ordinary nice company girls that would stay with me simply she wants some foriegn friends, never ask me for a penny.
So just to say there must be a reason why so many guys are making their ways to China recent years, I discovered it myself 2 years ago. I avoid Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzou, Beijing areas, I love these northeastern towns in China like Dalian, Qingdao, Shenyang, Harbin, absolute beauty for less than 50 USD a night and most of them have good atitude, and tons of freebie students all over to be had. I think if Thailand as a whole don't slash their price systems in this field, they are losing the competitive edges to other countries. Now I feel a typical semi-cutie sideliner in Rachada would cost you over 3000 bahts to 4500 bahts for a 90 min session or a Nana semi-cutie will cost over 1500 plus 600 pay bar for just an hour, is getting rediculous expensive for the quality on the offer in Thailand.
Phantomtiger2
12-01-06, 23:33
Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore - this sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now!
Its not the Thai baht but the US dollar that is dropping like a stone in water almost against all world's currencies.
News today on tourist travel to US will increase as oversea currency now makes the US a bargain destination for most.
Yes, like you, last year, I was getting over 41b to the US dollar.
PT
Fast Eddie 48
12-02-06, 00:23
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]About the 2000 baht ST, I was talking about the quality ones in Nana like these in the Rainbows. Each store has about 4-5 of them, and they are very firm on the ST price of 2000. Others will go for 1500 no problem. But with the cost of the girl rising compared to 5 years ago(about 5 yaers ago almost all were willing to go at 1000 ST in Nana or Soi Cow and many nice massage sideliners were still around 2000 bahts everywhere), I find the recent cost rise in these recent years do not match up with the quality, on the contrary, I definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself.
About China scenes. Many people think its hard to find action without speaking Chinese, but I think its not true. I speak about 30 word now, I learned after I discovered China 2 yaers ago. There are actions all over in every single town of the country. And there is one big big plus, there is a huge freebie scene in China. There are always many ordinary girls who like to become your friends becasue you are foriegners. So I find both pay senee and free scene both very exciting in China.
The reason I brough up China is that it is directly competing with Thailand in this fireld. The Asian mongers have known China for many yeras, now the western mongers also have invaded China in recent years. In all the popular towns there are tons of western hunters that are shifting their focus from other destinations like Thailand, Brazil, to China.
to RCA
I agree cost of monger is going up every year I think the cost is driving up by the japanese that go there and paid the high price , I am chinese from US with the dollar is getting weaker by the day thailand is not a bargin anymore.
I disagree on mongering is easy in china , I go to china 5 time a year for business and I go to bangkok every yr last 12 yr , bar and gogo is out in the open and is easy to find actions but in china if you are new in the area you need to do alot of searching .
I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go .
fast eddie 48
RCA Knight
12-02-06, 05:16
Quote Fast Eddie<<I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go.>>
Yes I agree China scene is not wide open right in front of your eyes like in Thailand. But a few monger over-run destinations like Shenzen, Zuhai, Dongguang, Shanghai ect are pretty close to it, even first timers can easily get lady anytimes. But the sex scene is still everywhere in every big and small town, it just takes some times to familarize. I learned my precious China lessons by paying some tuitions--overpaying and commissions ect from my earlier trips to northern China, but I am getting much smarter now. Yes, if you know the scenes and know what are the good cities to go and where to go, China now is a much much better deal than Thailand in cost, quality and variety, but may take a little more time to be a China-pro than to be a Thai-pro.
Can somebody help me? I did see something a month ago about new dialing (code) procedure from international to a thai mobile, something of an extra digit or something like that?
Btw, I have been dialing 011-661-xxxxxxx
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Fast Eddie 48
12-03-06, 08:25
Quote Fast Eddie<<I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go.>>
Yes I agree China scene is not wide open right in front of your eyes like in Thailand. But a few monger over-run destinations like Shenzen, Zuhai, Dongguang, Shanghai ect are pretty close to it, even first timers can easily get lady anytimes. But the sex scene is still everywhere in every big and small town, it just takes some times to familarize. I learned my precious China lessons by paying some tuitions--overpaying and commissions ect from my earlier trips to northern China, but I am getting much smarter now. Yes, if you know the scenes and know what are the good cities to go and where to go, China now is a much much better deal than Thailand in cost, quality and variety, but may take a little more time to be a China-pro than to be a Thai-pro.
to RCA
I was in china just last month there is a big crack down in shenzhen last week
as china enconomy is growing they have trying to clean up the sex industrial or try to keep at in control , but in thailand the goverment look the other way
but the cost of mongering is up 100% from 12 year ago .
I agree you really know where to go to get the best deal and I love chinese girl offer better girl friend experience but thai lady are better in bed.
fast eddie 48
LittleBigMan
12-05-06, 06:41
Prior to landing for good in LOS, having family in Hong Kong I consistently visited Hong Kong year after year and the first time in Shenzen nearly 20 years ago it was like the wild wild west. Now it is a huge city looking to follow the steps of Singapore. The money ratio is 8-1 vs. 36 to 1 Baht. So the value still better in Thailand. As for P4P I still think of the times my cousins would take me to a small town just outside Shenzen, we would dine with the Governor, mayor and chief of police of the province eating dog, cat, snake and drinking snake blood lace with whiskey then head to my cousin secret condo and play strip poker and have an orgy with the girls. My cousin use to show porn video's to the girls to show them what was expected and we had the best time in China. I hope to make a visit next year to check things out again in Hong Kong and China before the O-games in 2008. I hate to see the prices after the games just like Korea. I will never be the same again after 2008.
LBM
Lover Boy #2
12-05-06, 09:26
Question LBM........do you feel that "eating dog, cat, snake" was a real good pre orgy meal? Do you feel this intensified the sexual experience for you? Did the dog meat want to make you howl at the moon after the BJ?...or did the cat make you want to meow after a good fuck? I'm just curious.
LittleBigMan
12-06-06, 08:45
LB#2
To answer your questions it didn't do any of those things but when your are dining with the local officials you try to be polite and go with the flow of things. Regardless in the end they provided all the girls and fun times and great sex so disgesting and having to howl and meow a little I do it again and again!
LBM
..definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself...
I agree, i think you'll agree it's not about whether a monger can afford it or not, or whether a monger scrimps and saves, or throws it around, a bag of chips is only worth a bag of chips.
Can somebody help me? I did see something a month ago about new dialing (code) procedure from international to a thai mobile, something of an extra digit or something like that?
Btw, I have been dialing 011-661-xxxxxxx
All mobile phone numbers have changed since the 1st of December, you need to add an 8 after the 0. So if the number was 06 123 4567 It is now 086 123 4567, to dial from abroad it would now be +6686 123 4567.
In your example you need to dial 011 6681 xxxxxxx
Lover Boy #2
12-07-06, 05:51
LB#2
To answer your questions it didn't do any of those things but when your are dining with the local officials you try to be polite and go with the flow of things. Regardless in the end they provided all the girls and fun times and great sex so disgesting and having to howl and meow a little I do it again and again!
LBM
I appreciate your honest answer, but I personally wouldn't eat man's best friend or the cousin of Garfield for the best pussy the world has to offer. You know, it is bad luck to eat a friend or to eat the pussy before you actually eat the pussy.
"Depending on the country, domestic animals, including dogs, may be protected under national, state, provincial, and local legislation. In some countries, no protective legislation exists. There are no internationally agreed upon humane standards, and existing legislation is often difficult to enforce. Fortunately, in most places around the world, however, dogs continue to enjoy an elevated place in society. Along with their loyalty and companionship, their contributions as service dogs, search and rescue, drug trafficking, and police dogs are well acknowledged. Their devotion and intelligence are highly recognized. Especially since dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years, it is our social and moral responsibility to provide them with care and protection.
Cruelty is another problem. In many countries, dogs are farmed for commercial enterprise and human consumption. According to the International Aid for Korean Animals/Korean Animal Protection Society, more than 2.6 million dogs and cats are killed in South Korea each year for human consumption. Many dogs suffer a slow, inhumane death, as it is believed by some that torture before death makes the meat tastier. Also, dogs suffer from stress and disease while being farmed and transported in cramped conditions.
Both dog and cat consumption and the puppy mill trade are driven by economic incentives which conflict with basic animal welfare considerations. Cats and dogs should not be treated as commodities to be massed produced for consumer markets".
The above is just offered as some thoughts to ponder....and so is the below.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=198036
No comment is necessary. I am not trying to start a war.....but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me, as do issues of child prostitution, transmission of STD's and sick fucks eating turds. There are some very evil things in this world.
..but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me....
They are eaten in the northern regions of Thailand ! In many isaan villages there will be a pick up truck that drives around picking up dogs in exchange for plastic items such as a washing bowl. I asked why they don't just round up the strays and eat them, but apparently they don't taste as nice and there is some bad luck in it.
Also all of the reasons you give for not eating a dog surely apply to a chicken, a fish, a pig, a cow, a duck, a shrimp, a crab etc. Okay none of these serve as Police dogs, or search dogs, but they are none the less animals (or reptiles or whatever :D) sentenced to inhumane deaths, mass produced for consumption, and usually transported in cramped conditions. Don't get me wrong, i'm a dog lover, I would never (knowingly) eat dog, i hate cats, but wouldn't (knowingly) eat them either. I eat a lot of the other stuff, but fail to see why dogs should be offered special treatment over the others.
Traveler1234
12-07-06, 12:07
All the LOS vs China posts - imho, don't forget Jakarta. Still best bang for your buck.....
Phantomtiger2
12-08-06, 01:18
They are eaten in the northern regions of Thailand . Don't get me wrong, i'm a dog lover, I would never (knowingly) eat dog, i hate cats, but wouldn't (knowingly) eat them either. I eat a lot of the other stuff, but fail to see why dogs should be offered special treatment over the others.
Its all a matter of what the mind considers acceptable to eat and how adventurous you are.
I often try almost anything in different countries (only if i see it hygenic).
China: tried fried scorpion, and lizards and rats.
HK: had snake (cooked) but didnt try the cup of snake blood (as it was raw) and pigeon.
Auzzie: had kangaroo steak
Cambodia: many types of bugs and I think worms (not sure as it was all fried)
US: alligator meat, and bison (buffalo) steak in Wyoming (or was it Montana?)
and the list goes on (and of course in Thailand: pussy)
I dont mind trying dog meat if offered on the menu. They serve in in Chiang Mai and I'll give it a try on my next visit. Didnt know they serve cats though?
Note: I never owned a dog so it dont bother me, but can understand why some may be reluctant.
PT
All mobile phone numbers have changed since the 1st of December, you need to add an 8 after the 0. So if the number was 06 123 4567 It is now 086 123 4567, to dial from abroad it would now be +6686 123 4567.
In your example you need to dial 011 6681 xxxxxxx
I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.
I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.
There was a transitional period from 1st September to 1st December where both systems were in place, since the 1st of December, i have had to use the 8 digit everytime, (I’m in Bangkok) otherwise i get a womans voice saying "please dial 08 in front of the phone number you are calling, please try again".
Maybe you made your calls before the 1st ?
All the LOS vs China posts - imho, don't forget Jakarta. Still best bang for your buck.....
I realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in Jakarta? I often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! Any cheap areas or streetwalkers? I don't like to pay more than $15 US, and $10 is better.
LittleBigMan
12-08-06, 12:56
LB#2
When I made the comment of eating dog, cat, etc... it was not to say how proud I was to have done it! But was just in reference and comment on what we are all here to talk about P4P!
I appreciate your comments and opinions but I don't judge nor do I lecture anyone on this board but I think it is a little unfair to me and anyone reading this board that after you lecture your ask for " No comment is necessary "
everyone has their opinions and other would consider it a big difference when it comes to animals vs. child prositution etc...
If I offended anyone I am sincerely sorry! but I didn't expect an reaction from anyone especially from a site pertaining to sex! Which by the way is illegal here the last time I heard but not enforced!
I certainly made the remark, you responded and ask a question and I answer it! In the future if you don't like what you read just don't respond! and I certainly do not want to take this to the fight club nor do I want Jackson to start a new thread - Dog and Cat fight!
We all live in glass houses! so enjoy what we are all here to do!
LBM
Traveler1234
12-08-06, 17:22
I realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in Jakarta? I often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! Any cheap areas or streetwalkers? I don't like to pay more than $15 US, and $10 is better.
At that price point - Cambodia
At that price point - Cambodia
Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. I can get short time for those prices in Thailand easily, and Indonesia is much poorer. I know that doesn't always follow, but it seems there should be cheap sex there.
Traveler1234
12-08-06, 19:06
Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. I can get short time for those prices in Thailand easily, and Indonesia is much poorer. I know that doesn't always follow, but it seems there should be cheap sex there.
Sorry, can't help you with cheap pussy....not my thing.
Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. It's a bit of an "off-the-wall" suggestion, but have you tried looking whether this excellent website has a section on Indonesia too?
Cyberspace
12-08-06, 23:04
i realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in jakarta? i often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! any cheap areas or streetwalkers? i don't like to pay more than $15 us, and $10 is better.
i think you're right, this isn't the appropriate forum. at least crap isn't being dumped into a photo forum (always a pet peeve of mine). i'm thinking that when you factor in the current necessary costs of airfare and (to a lesser extent) hotels anywhere in asia, then you need obtain a hundred freebies before your average cost comes down to the $15 us range. hope this helps, and good luck in your endevors. please write us a report if you have any success :)
I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.I beleive you just add the 8 if calling mobile numbers in Thailand. From outide Thailand you still just dial 0066
Fresh Meat 2
12-12-06, 14:19
Incorrect! The extra 8 is still required for calls from outside Thailand.
LittleBigMan
12-12-06, 22:08
My recent experiences concerning phones in and out of Thailand.
When calling within Thailand. If you were calling this cell phone number in the past (09-123-4567) it is now 089-123-4567.
If you are calling from outside Thailand, for example for U.S., and previously you were dialing ( 011-66-9-123-4567 ) it is now ( 011-66-89-123-4567 )
Now if you are calling a location with a land line you do not need to add the (8), that was my experience in Thailand when I call an office that had a land line.
LBM
Badboy9613
12-13-06, 14:05
Hey fellow mongers. Was just curious. How far is Nana Plaza from Livingstone's Lodge. Is it within walking distance? If not what is the best way to get there? Thanks!
LittleBigMan
12-13-06, 18:46
Livingstone is on Soi 33, try **************.com and get look at the map! Nana is on Soi 4, it seem a long ways but it is not depending on each individual. I have walked it many times but that's me. Otherwise the train stop is close to Soi 33, you can use that and get off at Nana which is 2 stops!
LBM
Mr Enternational
12-13-06, 19:05
Livingstone is on Soi 33, try **************.com and get look at the map! Nana is on Soi 4, it seem a long ways but it is not depending on each individual. I have walked it many times but that's me. Otherwise the train stop is close to Soi 33, you can use that and get off at Nana which is 2 stops!
LBMYeah, it's a short walk between the two. I took a tuk-tuk from Nana to Livingstone's because I did not know where it was. But on the return trip I walked. I think it was only 15 minutes or so. No more than 20 minutes, depending on if you keep stopping talking to chicks at the bars on the way.
My recent experiences concerning phones in and out of Thailand.
When calling within Thailand. If you were calling this cell phone number in the past (09-123-4567) it is now 089-123-4567.
If you are calling from outside Thailand, for example for U.S., and previously you were dialing ( 011-66-9-123-4567 ) it is now ( 011-66-89-123-4567 )
Now if you are calling a location with a land line you do not need to add the (8), that was my experience in Thailand when I call an office that had a land line.
LBM
Fellas,
What I heard on my last visit(last month) all numbers, at least cell numbers, will start using the "08" after January 1, 2007. I think now it depends on how new the number is on the particular cell. The new numbers (in the past 1-2 months) have already began to require using "08" then the number.
Can anyone else clarify this? Thanks.
Not sure whats wrong with the level of belief or understanding in here at the mo, but i have already reported the EXACT current status of the 08 situation.
ALL mobile numbers whether dialled from outside of Thailand or from within Thailand require an 8 after the zero.
So 06 123 4567 now dials as 086 123 4567 if you are calling from inside thailand.
If you are calling from outside thailand dial +668 6123 4567
Its in place now, it is not from january, it does not depend on the age of your phone number.
M P Lurker
12-15-06, 17:19
Fellas,
What I heard on my last visit(last month) all numbers, at least cell numbers, will start using the "08" after January 1, 2007. I think now it depends on how new the number is on the particular cell. The new numbers (in the past 1-2 months) have already began to require using "08" then the number.
Can anyone else clarify this? Thanks.
Who cares? Just put the 8 in as Meaty explains, and be done with it. It will work for you to.
Unfortunately I seem to be getting umpteen wrong number calls lately.
I wonder if this can be blamed on the Thais not being capable of adjusting the number correcly when adding the 8 (I guess not). I used to blame the high frequency of wrong number calls on the fact that Thai mobile numbers used to have less digits than in my home country and therefore were far more likely to hit a valid number when wrong. But now I see that logic was foolish. It must be that Thais are too hopeless to either know their own number, give it correctly, write down or type correctly, or just didn't check it. After I tell them the number is wrong, they usually like to ask me whose number it is (what for?) and then try it at least 3 more times.
Can anyone shed light on why I get very few wrong number calls at home but heaps here Thailand (on several different numbers I have used).
M P Lurker
12-15-06, 18:23
I appreciate your honest answer, but I personally wouldn't eat man's best friend or the cousin of Garfield for the best pussy the world has to offer. You know, it is bad luck to eat a friend or to eat the pussy before you actually eat the pussy.
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No comment is necessary. I am not trying to start a war.....but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me, as do issues of child prostitution, transmission of STD's and sick fucks eating turds. There are some very evil things in this world.
A few problems 'Lover Boy'.
Its hypocritical to put your personal emotive views but ask others not to comment.
People either eat animals or they don't. Why single out dogs and cats?
If others eat cats and dogs, its not your problem, so don't bother. Different cultures do different things. If it is not illegal in some countries, then it is obviously not universally condemned.
Its your right to not eat cats and dogs, when you know what you are eating.
Generally we don't know if the meat was prepared as 'humanly' (whatever that is?) as possible or not.
Many dogs are going to be killed anyway or may be even bred for eating.
What is 'evil' depends on culture and religion, predudices and brainwashing, but this is a forum for 'evil' sex mongers.
Now while I personally don't eat eat cat and dog, my reasons my be different to yours and I wouldn't criticise those who did.
When you are starving you might suddenly consider eating a dog with no problems.
Humans are known for eating any type (and I mean ANY type) of meat when hungry enough, including horse for example.
What is the definition of 'Child Prostiution'?
Isn't forced prositution obnoxious, whether children or not?
If a 17 year old girl decides she wants to work as a prostitute, is she a child? How does that differ from an 18 year old or 21 year old? Where does evil come in here?
Obviously I won't go with with a 17 year old, even if she wants it badly, because its illegal. I find it hard to find any line where at some age it magically switches from being evil to not evil. It is well known that girls under the age of 18 are having lots of sex. They may reach sexual maturity quite young. It isn't evil. Its a natural drive.
Its not legal for me to get involved in that stuff and fortunately I'm attracted to older girls anyway.
BTW, If a guy were attracted to younger girls, at what point is he labelled a paedophile? Or is it more to do with forcing sex on minors or on those too young to understand what is going on?
Lastly, do you love dogs or are they 'sick fucks'? They certainly are dumb enough to eat turds. Perhaps some would say: "Don't eat dog because dogs eat shit".
Overall I think I'm trying to convey that this forum is not suited to emotive views and maybe even predudices about other cultures and what they eat. Thais eat pork as much as possible even though the muslims despise it. Others won't eat Beef because the cow is a 'high' animal. It irritates me a little that my hotel restaurant has no beef, but its their right. I can eat somewhere else. Now we have to bring in dogs and cats to the debate. Its not really worthwhile in a sex mongers forum.
As many of you regulars, I’ve been using the same SIMcard for a couple of years now, I go to LOS twice a year (and recharge it while I’m there of course) and I lend it to friends when it’s their turn to go (the lucky sods…).
Now I’ve seen that One2call has made roaming agreements in most countries, including mine, so that it can get a signal abroad. Mine now says valid until 24/02/2007; in your opinion, will there be a way now to keep the SIM alive from home without recharging it? (I know there are websites that sell One2call recharges to farangs abroad but they rip you off big time)
I understand it’s deadly cheap to buy a new one, it’s just to avoid the hassle to have to change your number...
Fish N Chips
12-20-06, 10:38
From what I understand as long as you have bht on them they will operate for one year with no action on the number. If your using it once or twice a year and keep it charge with bht you should be good to go, I THINK?
I have had to change my number once in the last 5yrs, and that was my fault I left with no bht on the card and didn't come back for 8 months.
Hope this helps
LittleBigMan
12-20-06, 21:42
In November I purchased a new Sim card for my phone! I also purchased at that time a 1-2 card of 500 minutes and once I did I got a response back that I now had so many minutes and that it will expired on February 7, 2007. So based on my experience and F&C answer there is a shorter time frame from my recent experience. Now it might be possible even if your minutes have expired your sim card number is still good for a period of time?
LBM
Fish N Chips
12-21-06, 04:38
The minutes that are on the card are different then the card. It may be true that the minutes Exp may be much quicker now, but as long as the card has active minutes and is refreshed and used every once in a while the "card" shouldn't Exp. Refering back to the posted question, he did say he lets his friends use the card when he is out of country. If your using it at least 3 to four times a year (lets say once every 6 months) you should be ok.
Dude when you get in to BKK stop at the little blue booth after customs before you go out the door to catch your cab. Thats where i got my info, that is, my memory is fading a little but i'm sure i'm 89% right. LOL
I could be wrong, can some one on ground there pipe in.
Ya got me thinking i may have to get a new card when I go back?
Rockabilly77
12-22-06, 08:50
So reading the last few posts, ooks like I am in the right section!
I am heading back on the 26th!
I am going to samui, phangan, then phuket, then BKK.
Anyways.
I am going to bring my unlocked phone and wondering how I go about getting a sim?
Also if I get a sim will I be able to buy minutes and be able to use it in each part of LOS or will I have to buy diffrent SIM'S forr each province I go to?
Hopefully I will only have to buy 1 SIM card for everywhere I travel in LOS
There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.
LittleBigMan
12-22-06, 21:58
Meaty,
Now that's the best damn answer I have heard yet on the sim card!
LBM
Billy - easy to find SIM cards - just go to any place where they are selling "used" phones and there will almost always be someone there selling cards (yes, it's that simple) 200B or so for the "1-2-talk" cards with 50B credit
M P Lurker
12-23-06, 01:25
There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.
Exactly what I did.
Its not that much you have to top up to extend validity out a few months.
I kept one SIM card for mongering and another for above board liasons.
My experience.
Girls that were once fabulous in bed, change very little.
Its wise to keep a stock of several fantastic reliable girls numbers.
Then if some go missing, there are still others, even on Buddhist holidays when everything is closed. New girls are always a gamble.
However I have recently decided to throw out my mongering SIM card.
In order to keep my girlfriend mongering is about to drop off to nearly non-existent. I cannot afford to be seen with some girl hanging on my arm anywhere. Girlfriend has too mnay friends around everywhere.
Hi Mick Licker!
Do not throw it away! Give it to me, plase LOL.
Merry Christmas to all of you,and a Happy New Year!
Merlin Magician
12-24-06, 01:44
From an earlier post:
"Lastly, do you love dogs or are they 'sick fucks'? They certainly are dumb enough to eat turds. Perhaps some would say: 'Don't eat dog because dogs eat shit.'"
So do pigs...
M P Lurker
12-26-06, 12:16
Hi Mick Licker!
Do not throw it away! Give it to me, plase LOL.
Merry Christmas to all of you,and a Happy New Year!My fab girl might be your stuck-up girl, or you might think them falt chested or large pussy, or doesn't do much blow-jobs or whatever. They may not like you either.
Tastes vary so everyone should find their own favourites.
Its not that much you have to top up to extend validity out a few months.
Just my last question on the silly simcards: has anyone tried to top up your sim from abroad? Because now if you dial from your own country *121# it will actually tell you the credit left and validity.
However I have recently decided to throw out my mongering SIM card.
Now, that's a sad sad thing to say on this forum... isn't it? Please Mick Licker, have a re-think...
M P Lurker
12-29-06, 12:51
Just my last question on the silly simcards: has anyone tried to top up your sim from abroad? Because now if you dial from your own country *121# it will actually tell you the credit left and validity.
Now, that's a sad sad thing to say on this forum... isn't it? Please Mick Licker, have a re-think...
If you have a topup card, it can be done from abroad for One-2-Call. I have done it.
Get a friend to buy the topup card in Bangkok and SMS the pin code to you.
*120*secretcode# (I think 120 is top up code but check topup card)
There are probably other approaches using credit card. Check on the AIS One-2-Call web site.
Its sad yes, but I given up most mongering as of Xmas this year after a last fling. I am very attached to my girlfriend (from Ubon) and intend to keep her for ever or at least many years. So I cannot afford to get caught with bar girls by someone who knows her. It would spoil the relationship even if she didn't leave me. I can't even go to Nana Plaza ever again as she knows a ladyboy who might be there often for all I know.
However very infrequent mongering may be possible when I believe there is no chance of being caught. Might have to be Overseas or remote MPs.
I hope she will give me sex on a nearly everyday basis to keep my mind off other girls somewhat. Just need to train her to cater for needs fully during her monthly period, even if she is not wanting sex herself.
Maybe I just won't be able to give up. However I did successfully go through 3 months recently with no sex at all (however outside Thailand) other than self abuse. So perhaps my sex addiction is coming under some level of control.
I don't even see anything wrong with the odd casual fuck on the side, but girlfriends don't seem to think this way.
Retired Army
12-30-06, 06:06
There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.
I just bought a 1-2-Call card at a 7-11 yesterday and the expiration date was December 2009. Why don't you just call the 1-2-Call customer service rep (excellent English by the way) and ask them how you can keep your number in use while you are out of the country. I doubt you can call the *120* recharge number from another country.
I suspect that even if your minutes expire you can still buy a new card in a year and the number will still work.
The card I got expired in three months (more than enough for an 8 day visit) and was quite cheap (400-450 Baht I think with 50 Baht in call credit.)
I ended up leaving it with a friend to use (for what, I have no idea) as it still had 200 Baht of credit after my 300 Baht top up card was used.
For the short time visitor who needs to keep in touch with contacts, I suggest there are lots of options available. Mine may not have been the cheapest, but I am hard pressed to imagine an easier option. 700 baht total, and I could reach and be reached by my friends and contacts alike. YMMV.
M P Lurker
01-02-07, 04:44
The card I got expired in three months (more than enough for an 8 day visit) and was quite cheap (400-450 Baht I think with 50 Baht in call credit.)
I ended up leaving it with a friend to use (for what, I have no idea) as it still had 200 Baht of credit after my 300 Baht top up card was used.
For the short time visitor who needs to keep in touch with contacts, I suggest there are lots of options available. Mine may not have been the cheapest, but I am hard pressed to imagine an easier option. 700 baht total, and I could reach and be reached by my friends and contacts alike. YMMV.
Having a stock of proven performers phone numbers can ensure fantastic sex nearly every time. You still have the option of trying a new girl if she is really impressive in some way.
Be careful when entering the US of A with your laptop
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php
Hi Guys :
I have bought Kamagra from around Suk. pharmacies and they worked fine without any side effects to me.
But when I have ordered it through Xlpharmacy it is giving me the worst headache of my life.
Any body else have this problem? Both are Indian made.
Your help will be appreciated guys.
Player2
SidTheSexist
01-13-07, 10:17
Having just spent a few days in Koh Chang, I can definatley say I will not be going back. Totally unimpressed not just by the lack of mongering opportunities (which was not the main reason of visiting anyway,) but especially at how dissapointing the holiday experience was. The place is well overpriced, the beaches are nothing special at all and I found the people in general to have a totally different attitude; lacking the typical thai friendliness we all love.
I just want to post this to warn any mongers who are thinking about taking a few days out of Patts or Bkk to think twice about Thailands second biggest island.
Very, very dissapointed!
sid
Old Thai Hand
01-13-07, 11:24
Having just spent a few days in Koh Chang, I can definatley say I will not be going back. Totally unimpressed not just by the lack of mongering opportunities (which was not the main reason of visiting anyway,) but especially at how dissapointing the holiday experience was. The place is well overpriced, the beaches are nothing special at all and I found the people in general to have a totally different attitude; lacking the typical thai friendliness we all love.
I just want to post this to warn any mongers who are thinking about taking a few days out of Patts or Bkk to think twice about Thailands second biggest island.
Very, very dissapointed!
sid
That's because Taksin turned it into a HiSo resort island and made all the locals greedy.
It used to be a true get-away place...a proverbial desert island, just for lazing around with friendly locals.
But, like other places, Samui, Phuket, Phi Phi, Thai greed took over and ruined paradise.
There are few places left to go in this country that aren't spoiled.
SE Asia Joe
01-17-07, 05:49
That's because Taksin turned it into a HiSo resort island and made all the locals greedy.
It used to be a true get-away place...a proverbial desert island, just for lazing
But, like other places, Samui, Phuket, Phi Phi, Thai greed took over and ruined paradise.
What is happening with property developments in Thailand - specifically in regards to laws specifying majority ownership of developments by Thai nationals. As far as I know, in the past, these laws were only techinally abided to - by the use of reduced voting rights by the Thai national shareholders, by signing blank transfer forms or subjugating shareholding etc. Now I hear that the Thai Government is cracking down and examining the actual wherewithal of these Thai National Nominees, cracking down on reduced voting rights etc - to the point that it is impossible for a Foreign national to have SECURE title to any properties bought in Thainland. WHAT IS THE REAL LOW DOWN ON ALL THIS?? Am asking this here as I know that in the past, this forum and its notable participants, had offered unique insight views and even breaking news. Thanks guys - am plenty worried as I own property there (or thibnk I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe
Retired Army
01-17-07, 06:08
- am plenty worried as I own property there (or think I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe
This is the reason that I decided it's better to just rent.
Here is a pretty good article summarizing the current state of the changes. But basically it is too early to tell. I personally think they will back away from any changes that would unravel the current property ownership structure and will stay focused on limiting foreign ownership of services that are considered more critical to the Thai infrastructure. The problem is that as a member of the WTO, they are limited as to how discriminatory they can be on foreign-ownership rights.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/01/09/thai_govt_approves_foreign_business_law_change/
What is happening with property developments in Thailand - specifically in regards to laws specifying majority ownership of developments by Thai nationals. As far as I know, in the past, these laws were only techinally abided to - by the use of reduced voting rights by the Thai national shareholders, by signing blank transfer forms or subjugating shareholding etc. Now I hear that the Thai Government is cracking down and examining the actual wherewithal of these Thai National Nominees, cracking down on reduced voting rights etc - to the point that it is impossible for a Foreign national to have SECURE title to any properties bought in Thainland. WHAT IS THE REAL LOW DOWN ON ALL THIS?? Am asking this here as I know that in the past, this forum and its notable participants, had offered unique insight views and even breaking news. Thanks guys - am plenty worried as I own property there (or thibnk I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe
Phantomtiger2
01-23-07, 20:10
aviation officials reluctant to renew certificate due to multiple concerns. this friday was supposed to be the day suvarnabhumi airport would have received a permanent aerodrome certificate for meeting safety requirements of the international civil aviation organisation (icao) - but that is not going to happen.
the interim certificate issued six months ago by the department of civilian aviation (dca) in response to the former government's rush to open the airport for domestic flights on july 29, will expire tomorrow and officials feel uneasy about extending it.
dca director-general chaisak angsuwan said the lack of certification was likely to affect international confidence in thailand's brand new airport, but it was impossible for his agency to issue a permanent certificate amid looming problems such as major cracks on the runway, taxiway and tarmac.
"the best we could do is issue another six-month interim certificate to suvarnabhumi, but i'm not certain if we can do it by this friday because there are a long list of questions for which we are still awaiting answers from the airports of thailand," he said.
chaisak said his agency needed to see a comprehensive plan of how the cracks - reportedly rep001tered around some 100,000 square metres of the airport - would be addressed, as well as other unresolved safety issues such as inadequate lighting and airfield signs.
the thaksin shinawatra government rushed to officially open suvarnabhumi in late september amid criticism from both local and international aviation industry that the airport was not ready. the council for national security, which ousted thaksin 10 days before the opening, said it was too late to change the schedule.
these developments potentially set the stage for the airport to be left in a certification "no-man's land" as thai credibility in regard to ensuring airport safety up to icao standards has suffered a major blow.
"the icao will soon release a list of uncertified airports in the world and it remains to be seen if suvarnabhumi will be on the list," a dca safety official, who asked not to be named, said.
runway and tarmac cracks, which began appearing at the time of the official opening, seemed to be getting worse, said the safety official, and that made it impossible to certify that suvarnabhumi met icao standards.
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I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
You can buy SIM cards and recharge vouchers in any 7/11.
Super Gato
01-24-07, 04:12
I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
It depends on what bands are on your phone... I believe AIS's 1-2-call prepaid is on 900Mhz. It might be rolling out 1800 as well but will probably only be around Bangkok right now. If you have a US-centric phone, your triband phone might be 1800/1900/850. Rest of World tribands are 1800/1900/900.
The other carriers DTAC "Happy" and True Move "Just Talk" prepaids are on 1800mhz.
AIS has the widest coverage of Thailand at 900Mhz. But the other guys will work definitely in BKK and probably Pattaya.
Fish N Chips
01-24-07, 04:13
Any 7-11 has recharge
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesToGo
I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
You can buy SIM cards and recharge vouchers in any 7/11.
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks
Any real estate deal with any Thai, Pinoy or people from other p4p destinations may as well be swampland in Fla.
I remember a shaved headed Belgian looking down at me like he was lord of the manor walking with his 30+ so called ex bargirl coming out of "their" condo when I was staying with some ho in Lengnarm near Pattaya. She tried to keep me there to keep me away from the more newbile talent closer to the water. This "Dr. Evil looking jack-the-lad" wasn't looking too happy a week later when his trollup was demanding more. Fortunately for me, my only invesment was a bar fine, some groceries and a pair of shoes. When the Spanish had Tupac and demanded a room full of gold, after that they demanded another and another then they killed Tupac even after the deal had been fulfilled thrice. This is how they look at us. Sad but true.
Just remember that the the more you are committed the harder it is to walk and that they will always demand more.
AncntFornicatr
01-30-07, 05:47
Don't believe the stories about the beergarten being filled with losers. At least don't believe they are ALL losers.
Stopped in for a beer yesterday afternoon and got into a conversations with a guy who is developing a data processing operation here. He had just come from Sri Lanka where they hav a small operation and was looking for a bit of company.
As we talked I looked around the bar and saw only the usual 3 to 6 crowd and some of them would have a hard time getting a 3 until after a good many beers. All of a sudden I realized that sitting directly across the bar from me was a stunner. I like little slender things and this was not only a spinner but she was beautiful.
She was sitting with an oriental guy who looked Chinese. he was drinking a beer and she was drinking a coke. I asked the guy I was talking with if he had noticed her earlier and was she hooked up with this guy. He had no idea and only said she was available. Hell, I knew that but was she TAKEN. I was in lust.
I was trying to figure out how to get her loose from this guy without starting a fight when she got up and went over to talk to a bunch of the girls at the little bar by the door. Told the guy I was talking to I had to run and I got over before she could disappear. The closer I got the better she looked. Asked her to sit down and I ordered a beer. She said she didn't drink beer and didn't want another coke.
She said she had been in bangkok for 4 months and lived with her mother. Her English was understandable but I realized it was pretty limited. Then when I asked why she came to bk she said she had a baby and prorceeded to pull out a bunch of pictures of her 1 1/2 year old son. Father was back in Issan and didn't provide any support. She said she didn't like the other guy at the bar who wanted one hour and 2 shots for 1000 baht. Said she liked happy people and boy I was happy.
Back to the Nana where I started taking some pictures. She was fascinated to see herself. Started with clothes on and gradually got down to the Nitty Gritty. Later took some shots of her face sitting in the sun streaming in the window. She really liked those and said she didn't like the gyno shots. Thought her pussy was ugly. I didn't agree but realized I had to get closeups to see anything it was so small. Looked at the size and wondered where I was going to put the Ancienet tool. Not to worry, it fit just fine. Also wondered where the stretch marks were as their was no sign on her flat little belly. What a cute little ass to balance it out.
I explained that the little blue pills I ate back at the bar when I realized in was in for an unplanned session would need an hour or so to work their magic. The ancient tool does need it's help. She said if we had to wait that she was hungry. Got room service up in a shot with whatever it was that she wanted and room service recognized. My Thai is terrible and it was not something I recognized. We sat there naked with her feediing me every other bite. A nice massage took up the rest of the hour and the blueys did just fine.
As we were showering afterward I measured her height at just below my tits and I am a bit short of 6 feet. Maybe she weighs 80 pounds soaking wet which she was a lot as she loved the hot water shower. Only had cold water at home. Took some more pictures and she got dressed. We talked about getting together again and she said she doesn't have a phone. She wants another go today but she might have to wait till tomorrow.
I gave her 1000 !100 and she was very happy. Showed me that she was down to 70 baht in her purse.
Well, I guess it is back to the Beergarten
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
NicFrenchy
01-30-07, 05:53
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. Erik,
I do not think yo are a fool at all. I think it is very nice of you to help a lady settle down, move on with her life and feel loved and secured.
I am assuming however that you live in Thailand? that you can see her on a daily basis? that you could eventualy check on the work Progress of the house? Also, that you can have someone (other than the lady) help you translate the Ownership papers of the house?
If you answered "Yes" to all the above questions, then I think that this is not a bad idea.
However, if you live overseas, I would strongly suggest you review your situation with her entirely... Sponsorship is a great alternative if you live in Thailand, but not if you are abroad.
I have been with so many girls that told me about their Swiss, German, Brittish, American sponsors (The French apparently are too "cheap" to sponsor LOL) and yet they were still working the night bar scene.
This is a very difficult situation but I am sure there are cases where it worked well.
If you really think about sending money, wait a little, let the idea simmer in your brain for a few weeks. Don't forget Love is the only feeling that overwhelms logic and Reason.
If you still really want to help her after that, then go for it!! it is always better to have guilt on something we have done rather than on something we did not do.
Good luck ;)
AncntFornicatr
01-30-07, 05:54
Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
Where and how much along Suk somewhere would be appreciated as well. If anybody has info on what is available in Phnom Phen I will be heading over there in a couple of weeks. Recently there was a comment that anything in Cambodia was crap and undependable. Any other opinions?
NicFrenchy
01-30-07, 08:17
Well, I guess it is back to the BeergartenExcellent report, Thanks
NicFrenchy
01-30-07, 08:32
Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. There's a whole Thread on Viagra:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1088
Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
...
AncientFornicatr,
Penagra, 4 x 100 mg, THB 400 - THB 500.
Available at the pharmacies on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and J.W.Marriotts.
The other option is to have a friend from India who organizes direct imports. Then it is cheaper :) !
Giotto
Traveler1234
01-30-07, 09:15
AncientFornicatr,
Penagra, 4 x 100 mg, THB 400 - THB 500.
Available at the pharmacies on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and J.W.Marriotts.
The other option is to have a friend from India who organizes direct imports. Then it is cheaper :) !
Giotto
I think they should be put along with the shampoo, soap and other condiments at the famous Lodge :) One FOC per night for your paying guests.
I think they should be put along with the shampoo, soap and other condiments at the famous Lodge :) One FOC per night for your paying guests.Traveler1234,
There is a certain demand for vitamins at the Lodge. From time to time customers get the "Bangkok Burned Out Syndrom", and then they need a vitamin therapy.
It's available at the Lodge - just contact the management.
Giotto
SexWithSmile
01-30-07, 09:42
The good thing with the mongers life is that you can experience both extremes of encounters in a single weekend:
- At the perverse side, my weekly threesome at Tulip (see reports on Massage thread): 69 playing with a vibrator, first in the pussy of the girl, then lifting it to the sodom entrance – while her girl-friend is bowl-massaging me with her tong. These girls are not very attractive, but hey: what beats the view of an bottom-hole gulping in and out a vibrator?
- At the romantic side: a very debutant girl found at the “Office” bar (Soi 33, right in front of Livingstones); obviously I don’t take the words “I was married but never go with customers, just here to talk” at face value in such den of depravity – but strangely enough, everything from her behaviour and pussy size convinced me that she was not lying. So you do it smoothly and respectively, and can really feel the pulsion indicating that this experience remains somewhat special for her (or is my long mongering experience still subject to illusions?).
We can find pleasure in fish and chips, and foie gras.
PS: That “Office” Bar increased their bar fine, now THB 1200, no discount for late hour; a WAY TOO EXPENSIVE in my opinion.
Sevastopol1
01-30-07, 16:29
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc. The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that?
ThanksEric, no comment but Real Estate/FAQ
http://www.lamaiwanta.com/
Sevastopl1
NicFrenchy
01-30-07, 18:17
SexWithSmile,
No problem, give them you mobile number and ask them to call if they are alone when the bar closes ;) then there is no Barfine to pay ;)
The Traveler
01-30-07, 23:46
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks
Erik,
this topic has been heavily discussed in this forum and myself posted a lot about it in this section and the "Living in Thailand" section.
A short summary :
You can NOT own land in your own name, but you can own a house on the land.
You CAN own a condo IF less than 50% are owned by foreigners. Check it in case you buy from a Thai. Some exceptions exists, e.g. in BKK where more than 50% of a condo can be owned by foreigners. When buying from another foreigner the percentage won't change, therefore no prob.
The common way for foreigners to own - or better to have control over - a plot of land/house is setting up a company (Ltd.) and buying the land in the name of the company. You will have the minority in shares (not exceeding 39% is best), but can have the majority in votes. You need a total of 7 persons and the Thais must have at least 51% of the shares. Nevertheless, you can be the general manager and the only person who is legally allowed to sign any documents. Additionally all other shareholders will have to sign blank selling contracts in advance so you can get rid of them in case of trouble.
Advantage : You can easily sell your land/house by sinply selling your shares, almost no taxes.
Disadvantage : You have to make a tax clearance every year.
Other ways are lease contracts. The Thai law allows a max. period of 30 yrs for lease contracts plus one prolongation of another 30yrs. Those contracts have to be registered at the land office.
There are many more ways like usufruct and the like but they are less common.
If you really want to buy some property for this girl, then do it and forget about the money. Any other solution would mean that you don't only do it for her, but that you want your share too. Nothing wrong with it, but this is a totally different intention (investment, personal use) than the one you posted.
Thanks for the answers.
First of all, you might also think I am a naive, but the girl I am about to help does NOT come from the sex industry. She lives in a middle size province head city of Thailand and has a very "normal" office job. Second, NicFrenchy, I have to answer "no" to all of your questions. Third, the link about Koh Samui does not really help, as I am not looking for a holliday propoerty by the beach for me, but a house for her to live in her little city.
Do we agree that as soon as you engage in a somehow serious relationship with a Thai girl, the question of "taking care" i.e. financial support comes up. Being a farang, this process shoks me and I don't feel sending her an amount of money on a monthly basis to help her living a better life and supporting her poor family. I am not a Social security office. Still, if I chose to be involved in an affair in a coutry like Thailand, I cannot avoid complying with Thai culture and I cannot avoid to "support" her in some way. Otherwise, she would feel abused and looked down by her Thai friends as a stupid girl who sleeps with a farang without receiving any concrete proof of his feeling for her nor any compation for her familly. She would lose face because of this and our relation could never be a happy one. Do we agree ? (Once again, she does not get paid for sleeping as she is not a prostitute. OK, we are all mongers here and I know most of you are already laughing at me).
So my plan is : Offering to share her repayment mortgage and part of her minimum deposit for the purchase of the house would show my financial support, while helping her concretly to build some kind of insurance for her future. That would also force her to get involved with her own money in this project, as I would pay only a percentage (even if a higher percentage than her). Buying by co-ownership with her could also be an option for me.
What I am after is any info in English about rules of property buying for Thai and farang. I wonder if there is any website for that.
The Traveler
01-31-07, 00:17
Erik,
first of all, you don't have to justify anything. Do as you like, it's completely unimportant what anybody in here may think about your idea.
To be honest, I wouldn't take a mortgage or signing a financing contract if I would be your GF. Your idea bares too many risks for her. What if you decide to stop paying your share ? She won't be able to pay the monthly rate and may loose it all.
I also doubt that she will get a mortgage (at least with an acceptable interest rate) if she doesn't have any property or a well paid secure job. The banks are quite careful since the Asian crisis when they got shitloads full of (almost) worthless property. Thai banks don't give a mortgage to foreigners but some Hongkong and Singapur based banks do.
There are countless real estate sites that do more or less correctly explain the different kinds of ownerships. Try Google.
Phantomtiger2
01-31-07, 00:22
. I am not a Social security office. .
I think Traveler outlined the most important and basic rules you needed to know about land/ house ownership. Now that the visa runs are over, its also much harder to stay longer in LOS. I admit not knowing your complete situation as they all vary but a common error made by most is that if you do not intend to be there and live with her all the time then money could be wasted on your part as "support money" dont really mean a good relationship will last.
I think the statement you made (above) is the most logical in your post.
PT
Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
Where and how much along Suk somewhere would be appreciated as well. If anybody has info on what is available in Phnom Phen I will be heading over there in a couple of weeks. Recently there was a comment that anything in Cambodia was crap and undependable. Any other opinions?
Called Caver-something. Red ones. A Thai Pharmacist Lady friend didn't even bother selling real Viagras for a few years because V's are were the #1 counterfitted med. They actually make a "caverject" that pornstars inject into the base of their johnson before a major pipe laying production. It gets rock hard for 2 hours without stimulation of any kind (depot). Look at the PDRs in the pharmacies. Every pharmacy on Suk has them (red pills) near Nana. I think the counterfiet Viagra thing has been counteracted somehow. Still, counterfeit pills would use boric acid as an ingredient to taste bitter like most meds. Boric acid can cause kidney failure. Buy them in BKK and nobody would bother countefeiting the red ones and they are cheaper.
LittleBigMan
01-31-07, 03:21
Erick,
This is my 2 cents from my own personal situation. Based on your comments I would assume that you are pretty much like the rest of us except The Traveler, he is loaded and lives in the hills of Pattaya, heh heh!
You mentioned that you would help her get a loan therefore you don't have the means to buy the land and house outright in cash. So if you really want to help her you must first decide what you expect in the future of this relationship?
If it goes bad are you going to hold the house and money over her head as leverage basically saying I'm the boss and I will do as I please? I know farangs that did exactly what you are thinking and when they become tired of the relationship they start to bring other women home drinking and beating the other women.
Second, what is her current income and can she sustain the expenses associate with owning a house. Since you plan to live in it I assume you are going to put in A/C in some of the rooms or can you leave 100% as a Thai with fans. General cost to her for owning a small house, 350baht a month for Cable T.V., 350baht for water, 40baht for garbage, and 1,000-1,500 for electricity.
Third, the bank will look if she currently have a savings account and does she makes deposit on a regular basis before they would given consider her.
Last, whether you plan to marry her or not, helping someone make a major purchase is a major commitment in so many ways. Based on your comments limit your purchase! meaning don't buy a 3,4,5,6,7, million baht home instead you can buy 1 or 1.5 million baht house and if things don't work out, do you really want to continue to live in the house? and do you really want to take it all away and bring her back to nothing? IMHO, if you decide on this course buy it all in cash and walk away if things don't work out, Consider it as a small investment that didn't work out! Once you start, you will never be able to stop!
Good luck, EriK
LBM
NicFrenchy
01-31-07, 05:35
on top of opening a new bj bar in patpong, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) now also sells "soiled panties" for $30. any takers? lol
http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/orderform.html
Called Caver-something. Red ones.Is this the stuff?
"CAVERTA ® enables many men to respond to sexual stimulation which is launched by Ranbaxy."
The Traveler
01-31-07, 22:24
Eric,
in case you want to keep it small, why not buy a small condo for her ?
There are a few new developments on the market that start around 350.000 baht for a 32sqm room. They offer down payment of just 6.000 baht per month.
If you like it bigger, buy two or more adjoining condos.
But be aware, you get what you pay for, walls may be thin and so on.
Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.
- ...If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit...Thats why I don't consider this a very smart idea.
LittleBigMan
02-01-07, 03:15
Erik,
In my opinion you must have reasons for helping her reasons I will not address because I don't want to get too personal. But the amount you stated is a reasonable amount to spend and as far as my opinion is concern I think as for a Thai, it not whether the house appreciate in your situation for her but that she has something to her name and maybe to past on to her siblings. Having and owning a home and having a roof over their heads is more important that making a profit to sell later. I don't believe this is part of the equation of owning a home for her!
Helping her finance or pay for this house is a major step for you but if you decide to help my opinion is to pay for it in cash and be done with it and put it under her name. Make sure she opens a saving account and out of the 7,000 baht she makes each month she has to put at less 2,000 bahts in the bank each month. As time goes by she now is a property owner with a savings for a Thai, for the future she will have little problems with banks. For myself if I was in your shoes breaking up and having her sell the property is not a option! Once you start you can't stop and have her go back to the past because you breakup, I personally do not think that is the right thing to do! Your objective I think is to help her now and for her future to have a better life not to send her back to where she use to live. Your thoughts about helping her part way might be because of funds or that you have second thoughts ( which is natural ) about your relationship. Now all is off the board if you find her cheating on you even if she is a non-pro! it happens! Then you wil have to ask another question on the board what to do in that situation. It's a gamble son that's life?
Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.
If the dollar were suddenly worthless and you were broke, she'd send you walking. I've watched too many psuedo savvy people blow everything over there and end up working as security guards back home. The pinoys have a different MO. When the generous boyfriend would save up and return their pooying would shun the new backpacker guy becuse he was no longer the high-roller that could come up with the constant cash.
They will always figure out a way to dig deeper into your pockets. All you'll hear is "you plomiss" when they want cash (allegedly) to put a new roof on a relative's house or send a nephew to the seminary. In WWII the Thais sided with the Japanese but their man in Washington carried the unopened declaration of war in his pocket and when the US dropped the A-Bombs they declared war on Japan and seized all their assets. The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia, then the Vichy French steamed a rag tag convoy out of Saigon and sank their entire Navy near Kho Chang during WWII. Probably why you will never see a Frenchman buying a house for a Thai lady.
NicFrenchy
02-01-07, 07:08
So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.
The day she will Allow the relationship to break is the day she would be sure she has an alternative for Mortgage payment (New Sponsor).
Old Thai Hand
02-01-07, 12:20
The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia.
Well, first of all the Thai didn't like the French because the French tried to invade Thailand at one point, although that the feeling doesn't still persist.
There is no difinitive proof that Farang (not Farhang) comes from Farangset meaning French. It is most likely connected to the Arabic word 'Afrandj' meaning foreigner which found it's way into Pali and San skrit, which form the root of much of the Thai language. Variations are found in Sri Lanka (Parangiar) and Cambodia (Barang) for example.
The Traveler
02-01-07, 21:04
NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.
Phantomtiger2
02-01-07, 23:27
. still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia,.
I've known a few Thai's that dont really care much for the Khmers (not sure about Laos), they think of them on a lower scale. Besides, Thais and Cambos have been warring thru out their history. If I'm not mistaken, it was the Thais invasion that led to the downfall of Angkor Wat.
PT
Very interesting points of view. Thanks again. Obviously the last person to have spoken here gives me more hope...
Like someone said, the reasons why I don't want to offer her a house all paid and ready to move in, are because, first I don't have the cash for this, and second I don't want to igve a blank cheque. She could very well kick me off when moved in and the door locked behind her. The mortgage plan was a kind of long term approach, to see how our relation is developping, with a kinder, maybe more romantic meaning, as far as her wellfare is concerned, that just setting up a direct credit onto her account every month. Being a Westerner, I hate talking money with my girlfriend. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
Does any of you have ever gone through an alternative kind of support ? Or is it always the same tactic : direct credit. In my opinion that really makes the transaction look like prostitution, and when it is not the case, it does not look nice.
Phantomtiger2
02-02-07, 00:03
. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
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Unless the gal is from a well off family and dont need to think of her future, the average regular working gal will always have some money thoughts in the back of her mind.
I'm not an expert on "normal/ non-P4P" gals in LOS as due to my limited vacation time I need a quick and "sure thing"--so its usually the paying type for me.
Now having said that, I do come across regular gals on my travels in LOS and some have been more than reasonable but a few will eventually bring up the "support" issue. It almost never starts with herself but often starts with how she works very hard to support the rest of her family (mom, pop, brother, sister, uncle, uncle's cow, etc)--hint hint.
Lucky for me, by that time its the end of my vacation and time to leave so dont need to think any further. I can understand how some can be easily "influenced" if a longer time exist with the gal. So to each his own, but always watch out for what you wish for as the end of the rainbow is not always paved with gold.------IMO
PT
Old Thai Hand
02-02-07, 01:15
if i'm not mistaken, it was the thais invasion that led to the downfall of angkor wat.pt
that's a nice way to put it. many thais still think of the khmer (not to mention the burmese) as their enemies. they look down on the burmese, khmer and lao as being culturally inferior. this kind of thing is perpetuated in thai movies that always portray the lao (or their isaan cousins), for instance as low-class and simple-minded, and the burmese as the historic barbarians [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) and pillaging thailand (the burmese invaded 19 times).
ironically, as you mention, but to put it more succinctly, the thais invaded the khmer empire, sacked anghor wat, raped and pillaged their way across cambodia until they had destroyed the khmer empire and then took into slavery, most of the young women, all the khmer artisans and the royal court dancers. most thai arts and thai dance come from the khmer. but, don't ever tell a thai that. they'll get angry and call you a liar.
Old Thai Hand
02-02-07, 01:35
NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.
I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
Since I am only involved with regular Thai women, I can speak with considerable experience. While, it is true that Thai women expect some support from you, if you are involved with them, because it's a big part of the culture, the higher up on the social ladder, the less likely she'll want much from you at all.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job. It's true that I occasionally buy her things; a pair of shoes (199 baht) and bit of costume jewellery etc. - all very inexpensive. I bought her 1 baht of gold (nothing too showy) for New Years, as is tradition among many Thais, especially Thai-Chinese. Now, some on here have said outright that because I give my GF money of any kind, and buy her things, that I'm paying for sex and she's no different than a prostitute. I find this an odd way of thinking. Prostitution and the money exchanged is a clear business transaction for a particular and momentary service rendered. Giving money to a girl with whom you are involved on a daily basis, long-term is called 'love' or at the very least, 'caring' for someone. It's a relationship. It's not business.
So, Erik: Being concerned that some sort of direct payment constitutes prostitution is a very "Western" way of thinking and has nothing to do with the reality of what it truly represents, particularly in a Thai cultural context.
And, BTW...I was married in Canada for 10 years, during which time I bought my Canadian wife 2 houses. It's just the kind of thing you do when you're involved with someone, anywhere in the world.
Traveler1234
02-02-07, 02:47
I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job.
I totally agree with your first premise. BUT, what is your definition of the '5K allowance' you give each month to your GF?
I'm Asian, have lived in several countries in Asia for many years and know the score. P4P is exactly what you say it is. Giving an allowance to any woman, either ST or LT is really a gray area, IMHO.
NicFrenchy
02-02-07, 02:58
The Traveller & OTH,
of course all we write are nothing but prejudices, I wouldn't presume on knowing how All women in Thailand think... especially the ones I have never met ;)
Yes, I indulge for the most part in P4P, I am trying my best to steer clear of a relationship with a Thai girl (non P4P). I like my freedom too much to be tied up with a "Girlfriend". This is my personal choice. I am 30 and maybe am not looking for the same thing as other members here.
Having said that, I work here, and have contact with Many "regular" Thai ladies, I eat 2 meals with them daily and noticed one thing: most of them are gold diggers, out of 8 ladies, 4 have Farang Boyfriends (older) but they still have their Thai Gik boyfriends on the side... they are not the least affraid to openly say that they are with their Farang boyfriend for the money.
Does this mean all Thai ladies are like that? no, but I can only speak from what I know.
on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.
When you have a relationship with someone, you are happy to see the other person happy, makes you feel good, and gifts are a nice way to show the other person you care about them.
AncntFornicatr
02-02-07, 06:56
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.
Reminds me of a fellow I met a copule of years ago. Someone asked me to look up this psychiatrist friend of theirs when I got to Bangkok. Met him in the lobby of Nana where he was intensley involved in a conversation with a moderately nice looking Thai girl about 25.
She was explaining to him why she could only see him for the next three days and then was "busy" for two weeks. She had to go to the airport to pickup this guy from Houston who was arriving for a couple of weeks and had been paying her 3M Bht a month for some time. Originally she had told him whe was going to Issan to visit her parents but when he wanted to go along she broke down and told him about the Texan
My friend the shrink was almost crying and kept telling her he loved her and reminding her that he had been sending 2M bht a month for a year. She said repeatedly that she loved him too but did have to spend time with the Texan but only for two weeks. The last I spoke with him he was going to Pattaya for two weeks to drown his sorrow in pussy I guess.
Makes you wonder how many of these nutty farangs are shrinks.
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It appears that you inadverently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.
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Jackson
I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.
Actually I met one, a sister of a maid at the Sunshine that really cared about this guy from Seattle that was drinking himself to death. We intervened, as he gave her his credit cards to go shopping and she was crying on Soi 8, saying he was like Nick Cage in Lvg Las Vegas. She actually cared about this guy and asked for my help rather than go sopping at the Big C or Lotus.
The trouble is when they tell the family and the Thai guy in the woodwork they are with a gringo they get pressed to "get paid". They watch US TV where everybody is in big houses and driving big cars with no visible means of support. Going to bars and restaurants where money doesn't change hands. I have seen an occasional Briton and many Germans and Swedes fare better, but even USAF guys that married Thai women in Khorat during the Viet thing could tell horror stories about black market stuff from the px and guys losing stripes. Even the Pinoy women are better but still trouble. My uncle was in Khorat and he has married 3 pinoy women but he said he Thai ones are cursed when I asked why no pooyings. If you bring a woman back to the US you have to sign affadavits of support. They usually dump their east coast gringo after a nice settlement and head to California (the 70thsomething province) to be with their Thai lover. In NYC if a waitress at a Thai restaurant dates a farhang she is shunned by all her friends, unless it is a get rich quick scheme. Emotionally they are the most immature women I ever met. Always tossing ultimatums. I left one crying on the highway in pouring down rain that gave me a stupid ultimatum. Dumb ***** could have gotten airfare home and a gold chain the next day in Chinatown but started up on me and I paid the cabbie to take me back to Nana where I gave him her bags and money to take the wench out of the rain to the bus station. I would much rather boink pooyings in the beginning and hang with an Israeli, or European Backpacker woman toward the end of my trip. After only a few days in Thailand (I love BKK) I am ready to go to other elsewhere where the people are much more polite, the women prettier, and the culture is far more western. No place on earth does the sayings "familiarity breed contempt" or "kindness is taken as a weakness" fare than in the LOS. What kind of conversation can you have with a Thai women? There is no world outside of theirs. The resident Indians, Nepalese, and Chinese all fare much better in business There because of the "Thai law of diminishing service". I'd hook a Nana driver up with a nice all day job and he'd bad mouth me and my family, then insult the bargirls with my friends.
None of my friends listened to me and all got dogged. Two are about to get dogged having bought houses and just opened the floodgates for more dinero. All these other "investments and bus. investments"for relatives on the horizon. I can't believe the changes that came over their pooyings. Instead of being happy and appreciative they act pissy and just go for more. These girls are nothing to look at and they run us and their expat friends off so these guys are drinking themselves to death out of boredom. I got chumped by bargirls, seamstresses, bank tellers, hotel staff, waitresses, and straight massage girls. Their dipsh*^ friends intimidate them into taking back their books and cd's on learning english for money. The Germans I met in Naklua have their women under much better control and ignore them when they get all pissy and despondent in an effort to get more jack. The gringos always do the "what's the matter honey?". I see Englishment get bossed around by roly poly old dragons as well.
NicFrenchy
02-02-07, 08:16
Erik,
just read this, funny story. Well, unless you're the guy.
http://www.mangosauce.com/farang_life/duped_farang_goes_postal.php
What kind of Thai women are these you hang out with?
I live in HK and have about 5 farang friends of mine married to Thai ladies for many years.
These guys, lets just say, would be in the top 1% of US net worth if they lived back in the States. None of them are even remotely on the brink of divorce. In fact, its the women that often having to turn on blind eye on their husbands meanderings. They could all easily file for divorce and lead a comfortable life but they truly stick to their men.
M P Lurker
02-02-07, 09:25
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on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.
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Girls who want to fuck a lot of guys for free are often called "sluts",
girls who do same but want something in return are labelled "prostitutes",
girls who don't really want to fuck at all are "frigid or lesbians",
girls who do only one guy for money or other gain are "normal girls",
girls who only want to fuck one guy for free are "badly in love",
girls who who fuck one guy for free and another for money are either "pimped or sneaky"
The distinction between normal girls and prostitutes is mainly how many guys they fuck.
Aren't all these labels totally stupid?
Why isn't being a prostitute a perfectly respectable profession since it pays O.K.?
Why do guys worry so much about the motives of a girl who wants to fuck? Is it for love, lust, money, or a combination of these?
Isn't the the quality, quantity and reliability of the sex more important than the motive?
When choosing a girlfriend, her character is important as is her sexual performance.
Whether she has ever accepted money, presents, or other benefits in return for sex is not really relevant.
We all fuck around and I'm sure many of us would happily accept monetry benefits for fucking girls if the supply and demand situation was reversed.
I would even fuck an ugly girl if she paid me enough and I could get it up despite the lack of sexiness.
I'm not a hypocrite so I don't look on Thai P4P girls with contempt, in general. Of course there are P4P girls which I have contempt for but that is based on their individual behaviour.
Others are very nice girls that cannot find any alternative way to get enough money to support themselves and family, given a very mediocre education, or are simply out of work for a period. Some are even Uni girls whose parents cannot afford the girl's education costs.
Old Thai Hand
02-02-07, 10:50
I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.Sorry. But, I think you have a fucked up attitude, probably from lack of anything but P4P experience. Certainly what you say applies to P4P girls and even some girls in a low-income bracket who, out of necessity are looking to augment their income in some way. But, it's been my experience that the right girls don't change attitude the minute they have you. I would hazzard a guess that I've probably had more experience than just about anyone on here when it comes to regular, non-P4P girls. So, I am well aware of the warning signs and what to avoid with the relatively small number who are after something.
There are loads of Thai girls who are honest, not after money, and who just want a relationship. But, within Thai culture, it is simply expected that a man will contribute something to the girl and/or her family. It's not gold-digging. It's just the way it is because it's a different culture. If one marries a TG, a dowry is expected, whether you're Thai or Farang. This is also part of the culture. I've had HiSo GFs who's family were loaded, but who still wanted me to take care of them in some way. It's a patriarchal society in which the man is seen as the provider. It's just that simple and not that different from Western culture 50 years ago.
Where it gets out of hand is usually with the poor, hapless Farang who falls for a scheming BG and literally buys her and her family the farm.
But, to tar all Thai women with the same brush because of this type of woman shows a complete lack of experience and understanding of Thai women and Thai culture.
It's been said time and again on here that there is a distinct difference between P4P and non-P4P and that difference needs to be understood. Above all, judging Thai women according to Western sensibilities is simply a faulty way of thinking.
Left Livingstone's this afternoon, to catch a 6.00 pm flight out. As I got into the taxi, I noticed his fuel gauge was as low as it could get. Using a combination of grunts and sign language, he indicates to me all was fine, and off Fangio went, tearing through the small sois of Bangkok at a mild 100 km / hour, or so it felt.
Getting close to the airport, this time, at 140, we go into the sweeping left turn, before the long straight away, which leads to the terminal. I can see the tower in the distance. (Did you know it is the tallest tower in the world? The resat of the airport is falling apart, but hey, there is a nice tower. YAWN)
And then, yes, horror of all horrors, the engine dies, he coasts to the side of the road, laughs stupidly, and sheepishly, says....." gas finish".
I can swear and curse pretty well in 3 different languages, unfortunately, Thai is not one of them. I get out, and just my luck, within a minute, another cab, his red light on, pulls up. I grab my bags, give the stranded driver 100 bt, (the meter was at 140), and hop into the new cab.
The remainder of the trip was uneventful.
Fun!
I was unaware of new visa restrictions put in place on 1 October 2006. The following is from asiatrav**tips.com. This may be old news for some, but I hope it helps others like me that were unaware of the new rules.
nocbj4me
Thailand Revises Visa Restrictions
In an attempt to gain greater knowledge of who is visiting Thailand and curb the amount of people working or living in the country without the correct visa or necessary permits, the Thai government has decided to enforce stricter new immigration policies beginning 1 October 2006.
Currently it is possible for nationals from 42 countries to enter Thailand without a visa for a 15 or 30 day period. These 'Permission to Enter (Visa Exemption)' stamps or 'Visa on Arrival', as they are also often known, are free of charge and can very simply be renewed by doing what is known as a visa run, or a border hop. This entails simply leaving the country, in some cases for as little as a few minutes, and then returning to get a new stamp.
The changes that will come into effect 1 October 2006, will allow nationals from 39 countries to remain in Thailand for no more than 90 days in a six month period. This means that someone who enters Thailand without a tourist visa provided by a consulate or embassy outside of Thailand, will be able to travel to Thailand as frequently as needed, as long as the amount of time spent in the country does not exceed 90 days from the date of the first arrival stamp. The arrival stamps remain, as now, at 15 or 30 days depending on nationality. Therefore, if a traveller were to try to spend more than 90 days in Thailand within a six month period, with for example, 3 back to back 30 days visa exemption stamps, then it is believed they would be refused entry and would have to remain outside the country for 90 days before being permitted to re-enter.
The changes have caused much confusion, and concern among frequent travellers to Thailand and those that are currently using the loophole to stay in Thailand indefinitely.
At press time, there had been no official statement as to how these revisions would be enforced, whether they are retroactive (although it is believed not), and how the Thai government will enlist the help of airlines bringing travellers to Thailand who have already spent more than 90 days in the country within the allotted time.
The Traveler
02-02-07, 23:28
NoCBJ4me,
blue is reserved for Jackson !
It is really easy to encourage somebody to buy a pooying a house because it is not the money of all those that encourage the transaction. When it doen't work out and Erik is out of the cost of the house plus all the other additional stuff for the family , it makes for great conversation while out on a hash run, but when the lad is out the money and WORSE the pain of getting dogged and heart broken at the same time all those that sat back or encouraged it have lost nothing but have gained a story to tell over brunch at the Dusit. If you read between the lines you will note that the house is not bought yet but it looks like SOMEBODY, is already looking for an additional financial commitment. The big "WHAT IF" the house value goes down.
It might work if both were the same age and both are educated. But even then one must remember that while they have this down to a fine science we are just "babes in the woods". I know a woman that lived there for 5 years w/the IMF and nobody except contractors would end up bringing one back home as they were not well informed. She was the one that told me that they are like the Amish, only always looking for investors..I don't think there could be a better comparison. It is really easy to encourage somebody to go support somebody, buy a house or whatever because it isn't your money. This Erik seems like a decent lad to even consider it. I say pay for her college or something. You don't know how many time I have heard that same old noise about buying the pooying a house for a "save face for family" situation. Don't you get it? Then the pooying has a hold of some of your short hairs, just enough to discourage you from walking when things don't go right. She has a captive audience of a future investor. I don't have a f'd up attitude. I'm 63 and have been around long enough to see some dudes get hozed really bad. I have witnessed a nearly 100% failure rate with others. I'd keep a dumb country girl around if it was raining or really hot outside just to see what kind of nonsence she had going. Once a very pretty SOI 8 girl that seemed too classy to work there came home w/me. She was not dressed like a bargirl. She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged. Would not sah-moke pole but was so pretty and had such a nice body I must have hit it 5 times. The next moring over brunch she's trying to get me to buy her kids school uniforms. Also she didn't eat and seemed methed out. I'd say "UNIFORMS? We just met and I paid you your money" ,"But we mek lub no kundum, she said" I'd say "OK, I buy uniforms if we go test you for HIV and you clean. Suddenly she is looking down at the ground in shame and getting up and scurrying away. CLOSE CALL? I was sweating bullets the next 3 months. More fun than watching TV, but that was not fun. One good friend just got dogged real bad by an ex that never worked the bars. He is not out financially as he sold the house right when she was hooking up with this high-roller, but she demands 1/2 the money for the house sale. He could tell by the way she behaved that something was not right. This guy paid for the college education for his ex's siblings and build the parents a house. 10's of thousands in hand outs. But the worst part is the emotional damage it did to him. Right now I am watching two guys naively caving in to the same old stuff. The mood swings didn't start until after the house was bought. Sure the girl at 7-11 will grab me and hand me the 1,000 bht note I just dropped on the floor, but they also ain't working the farhangs. There are some very honest ones. When that love bug bites and dudes get all warm and fuzzy from the soft little voice and being wai'd at all the time they don't think clearly. I am using strong lingo because I want to discourage people from getting chumped. I't really easy to write a one liner with the name of a lawyer that handles these transactions. I hear expats telling horror stories about other people with big smiles on their faces while they are getting gassed on their hash runs or whatever. Like they find it amusing that some guy just blew a ton of money. I only get 2 weeks twice a year and don't have time to play games. I would have left this alone and dropped out of this particular thread, until I saw Erik talk about the "what if" the house goes down in value? It reminded me of the time I bought this water heater at the Big C and 2 days later this bar girl is showing me a reciept for the top of the line one that she had exchanged the one I bought for her. She was asking me for the extra cost of the better one. I told he if she let me boom-boom her dtood. It was at this point I found out that some Thai girls like doing the butt thaing. That girl was diabolical, but that was chump change.
The Traveler
02-03-07, 12:11
BuleDaddy,
you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.
Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.
This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.
...She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged.
..."But we mek lub no kundum, she said"
P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?
BuleDaddy,
you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.
Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.
This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.
P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?I sound militant in my approach but I'm watching two very straight up friends lay down and get railroaded. If I can prevent it happening to another person even if he is a stanger, I have done my good deed for the day. The no condom thing is just another pooying scam. Like I owed these women (who probably were both infected) something extra for jumping on my johnson while it is unbagged. That was several year was back when I had melanoma, drank more and thought I was going to die anyway. They probably wanted to add more members to their club. Don't get me wrong, I love SE Asia and always have a blast, but I'm often stepping in trying to prevent people from getting scammed, like 5 drunk marines getting a $400 bar bill on Soi 8 across from that ATM machine. When I started breaking it down and did the math the bar halved the bill. Somebody is going to kill me some day for stuff like that.
Thanks ain to everyone for your opinions. I cannot sum up the different options exposed here, there are too many, but I do take on board some of them. As for the two or three last posts, can I state :
- If the girl cheats on me or something and we break in a bad dispute, no I won't give a shit of what will hapen to her, her house can be repossessed it won't be my problem.
- If we just separate because time passing it appears that we are too different or mutual feeling have gone by, yes I would care about her fate. In that case, I did mention that she could resale the house to pay back the mortgage, but also, if the value of the propoerty has gone down, she could consider renting it so the rent covers the mortgage, couldn't she ?
I might desapoint some of you, but after reading all the posts and seriously weighing them, at this stage of my reflexion, I still plan to go ahead with this idea of helping her to purchase her own house, under her name. ( Blue Daddy, I have also been paying for her English courses and I encourage her to read books so she gets more general knowledge. Then, I ask her questions about the content of the book, to make it a subject of discussion and an opprtunity for sharing ideas.)
I am now clear about the fact that with her small salary and my doubtful payments, she would have difficulty to find a bank for the mortgage. So phase B of the plan is now to put together, she and me, some money every month onto her saving account, to build up an amount and show the bank her seriousness. That is also an excuse for me to slow down the process of purchase. I antipate that in ten months time, "we" will have reached maybe a third of the amount required for the minimum deposit (is it usually 20 per % ?) and if I decide to go ahead with her, I will put the other two third. Then she buys the house and we will go on the same way with the monthly repayments. I insist that she has to put her share of her own money in the house, becuse that makes her house a more personnal effort, commiitment, not just a gift from a farang. I believe that concretly paves the way for her to eventually reach what she calls "a good life", her favorite expression. How about that ?
Fish N Chips
02-04-07, 00:54
Gentlemen, there is no need to counsel Erik on this topic he has clearly been Whooped! The LOS (or the WWF for you red necks) has laid the smack down.
He is now in the process of pulling the wool over his own eyes, and there is absolutely nothing any one can say or do to clear his vision. Unfortunately we all have seen at least one personal acquaintance go down like this, LACK OF HEAD SPACE & TIMING! Some of us have even been through this very thing?
We are going to pull for you! Because we all still have a little kid inside of us wishing upon a star. LOL
Really, I hope it works out because i hate sad stories.
NicFrenchy
02-04-07, 06:11
Thank you for having shared your decision with us.
I admire your motivation and wish you (Both) Happiness.
Keep us informed when the house is finished! I take it we are all invited for a drink there? LOL
Retired Army
02-04-07, 09:42
LACK OF HEAD SPACE & TIMING!I wonder if you really know what this means? I doubt that there is another member on this board who does.
Fun Times69
02-04-07, 09:55
Thanks ain to everyone for your opinions. I cannot sum up the different options exposed here, there are too many, but I do take on board some of them. As for the two or three last posts, can I state :
- If the girl cheats on me or something and we break in a bad dispute, no I won't give a shit of what will hapen to her, her house can be repossessed it won't be my problem.
- If we just separate because time passing it appears that we are too different or mutual feeling have gone by, yes I would care about her fate. In that case, I did mention that she could resale the house to pay back the mortgage, but also, if the value of the propoerty has gone down, she could consider renting it so the rent covers the mortgage, couldn't she ?
I might desapoint some of you, but after reading all the posts and seriously weighing them, at this stage of my reflexion, I still plan to go ahead with this idea of helping her to purchase her own house, under her name. ( Blue Daddy, I have also been paying for her English courses and I encourage her to read books so she gets more general knowledge. Then, I ask her questions about the content of the book, to make it a subject of discussion and an opprtunity for sharing ideas.)
I am now clear about the fact that with her small salary and my doubtful payments, she would have difficulty to find a bank for the mortgage. So phase B of the plan is now to put together, she and me, some money every month onto her saving account, to build up an amount and show the bank her seriousness. That is also an excuse for me to slow down the process of purchase. I antipate that in ten months time, "we" will have reached maybe a third of the amount required for the minimum deposit (is it usually 20 per % ?) and if I decide to go ahead with her, I will put the other two third. Then she buys the house and we will go on the same way with the monthly repayments. I insist that she has to put her share of her own money in the house, becuse that makes her house a more personnal effort, commiitment, not just a gift from a farang. I believe that concretly paves the way for her to eventually reach what she calls "a good life", her favorite expression. How about that ?Erik,
Seems perfectly reasonable and the most important part of it that you're happy with it. You had to make a leap of faith at some point and you've done it.
Good luck!
Fish and Chips - You have no idea about anything. Your opinions about Thai women have been formed by your experiences in Go Go bars if you've even visited Thailand. Erik asked a question, lots of people offered their own opinions but ultimately it is his decision to make.
Buying a house or condo in Thailand isn't even near the same financial commitment as buying one in the west. If she runs off with a few thousand dollars/pounds/euro's so what?
At least Erik has thought through the issues and made a decision about how to support someone he cares for. Is there anything wrong with that? Certainly not.
I wonder if you really know what this means? I doubt that there is another member on this board who does.I would imagine there are more than a few of us who spent a little time in the big green machine and learned a thing or two about the importance of getting the head space and timing correct. Ah, the good ole days and the fun of an M2 with butterfly triggers.
The Traveler
02-05-07, 00:11
BuleDaddy,
You are entitled to your opinion like everybody else.
But how do you know that Erik's GF isn't a decent person?
We don't know nothing about her and your point of view rather sounds like a collection of prejudices and not a judgement made on a person by person basis.
Erik sounds like a decent guy who uses his brain before making a final decision.
Additionally he doesn't intend to spend his last money on her so he won't be broken if things turn out the wrong way.
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know a good place in Bangkok (near Sukhumvit area) for learning Thai. What is the normal duration and cost for learning basic and advance Thai.
Thanks,
Kool Dude
NoCBJ4me,
blue is reserved for Jackson ! TT - what are you talking about?
TT - what are you talking about?He is refering to the fact that Jackson has asked us not to write in blue, which he reserves for his own comments. See the Rules page.
Member #3060
02-05-07, 05:39
TT - what are you talking about?Dam! He's right! Blue is reservered! Arrrrgh!
Erik,
Good luck with the girl. Please keep us all posted and let us know how it goes. If it goes supernova on you, don't worry. You'll always be welcome here.
NicFrenchy
02-05-07, 07:50
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know a good place in Bangkok (near Sukhumvit area) for learning Thai. What is the normal duration and cost for learning basic and advance Thai.
Kool Dude,
There is a place right behind the Villa Market (soi 33/1) that teaches Thai to us foreigners ;)
All levels, from Beginner to advanced and you have the option to be in classes with other people or have private lessons.
Of course price varies but it's not that expensive if I recall correctly.
Retired Army
02-05-07, 09:11
Geee Retired Army,
I guess your the only one who has been in the military.
Not just the military, but the infantry where I was intimately familiar with the Ma Duce. I doubt that the Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard knows much about "Head Space and Timing."
Old Thai Hand
02-05-07, 16:09
While a soldier, I wasn't in "da Mercan" army. But, I still knows it when I sees it.
:)
Oh, the headspace in a 20mm cannon is important as well. There's a little go/nogo gage for it. (pop worked on those and I still have the (50 year old) gage - myself I just never got into anything quite that big - unless you want to count the 105mm M-60 main gun/90mm M-48 main gun - otherwise .45 and smaller - except for the bloop gun)
Lets redefine head space and timing for what really counts now in our old age as seen from the perspective of our favorite plaything.
Head Space = will that big ugly dick fit into my tight little pussy?
Timing = is he going to cum too quick and not give me any satisfaction?
The Traveler
02-06-07, 00:22
TT - what are you talking about?
Piper1,
typing in blue is considered as spam.
Just click on "RULES" on top of the screen, scroll down a bit and you will see that blue is in fact reserved for Jackson.
It ever was, a senior like you should know.
Old Thai Hand
02-06-07, 03:26
again, i need your attention on this topic!
if such places still exist in thailand, i should think it would be on the andaman sea side of things around the similans. there are of course the 800+ islands in mergui archepelago off the coast of burma. few if any are inhabited, if you wanted to have a true robinson crusoe experience with a girl 'friday'. you can get boats out of mergui. having been there, i can attest to the fact that it really is isolated and some of the islands feel like the tv show "lost". but, i wouldn't recommend anyone do anything in burma for poiltical reasons.
there is also the option of the 100s of islands off langkawi in malaysia (closer to satun thailand, actually). they arrange boats to take you to the out islands and drop you off for a day or overnight. langkawi is quite beautiful. yet nobody ever seems to go there. you can fly into the main island on airasia or take the speed boat either from penang or satun.
Traveler1234
02-06-07, 04:32
TT - what are you talking about?
Piper- hell with these guys, you can type in any color you like :D
Landed late last night, didn't get into G's till close to midnight and he was already in bed. Family in town so he had to behave....LOL.
Sports Bar was very quiet but found a newbie, just divorced last month and on the job for 4 wks. Had to take one for the gang and was extremely patient all night.
The Traveler
02-06-07, 21:19
T1234,
you guys may think of being funny when typing in blue, even though you know it's against the rules.
Does that mean that you believe those rules do not apply for you ?
IMHO, it's not just respectless towards Jackson who demanded it for a very good reason, but it may also be a first step in ignoring rules which everybody of us has to respect in here.
Piper1,
typing in blue is considered as spam.
Just click on "RULES" on top of the screen, scroll down a bit and you will see that blue is in fact reserved for Jackson.
It ever was, a senior like you should know.Trav - Relax man, I was just pulling your strings. Hey, I was waiting for you to kick my butt after my "blah blah" post in the photo chit-chat thread. I'm disappointed! ;)
The Traveler
02-07-07, 23:15
piper,
actually i don't read much of the forum these days, especially not in the pic section. i only click on the pics to see if any member had the same chicks i had and that's it.
why should i read that constant bickering about posted pics and care that others may feel the need to throw their [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) at each other. that's really not worth my time.
anyway, you weren't pulling my strings, blue isn't reserved for me and i couldn't care less, it's jackson's rule, not mine. but it's quite respectless towards him because you deliberately posted in blue only to provoke. don't you have better things to do ? btw, same applies for t1234.
piper,
actually i don't read much of the forum these days, especially not in the pic section. i only click on the pics to see if any member had the same chicks i had and that's it.
why should i read that constant bickering about posted pics and care that others may feel the need to throw their [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) at each other. that's really not worth my time.
anyway, you weren't pulling my strings, blue isn't reserved for me and i couldn't care less, it's jackson's rule, not mine. but it's quite respectless towards him because you deliberately posted in blue only to provoke. don't you have better things to do ? btw; same applies for t1234.trav - there's a difference between disrespect and a bit of fun. most people can tell the difference.
besides - it was your strings i pulled, and you danced. :d
no i have nothing better to do. :(
;)
Traveler1234
02-08-07, 01:17
T1234,
you guys may think of being funny when typing in blue, even though you know it's against the rules.
Does that mean that you believe those rules do not apply for you ?
IMHO, it's not just respectless towards Jackson who demanded it for a very good reason, but it may also be a first step in ignoring rules which everybody of us has to respect in here.
Piper said it best, just a joke. I'm sure jackson knows we show no disrespect toward him or the board. This board is meant to be fun - don't be so darn serious :)
The Traveler
02-08-07, 20:29
Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
It's not that I don't know when people are trying to make fun, but don't expect me to laugh about every nonsense.
I also know when people try to be provocative, Piper already admitted that "he tried to pull strings".
Do I have to say more ?
Traveler1234
02-09-07, 00:56
Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
It's not that I don't know when people are trying to make fun, but don't expect me to laugh about every nonsense.
I also know when people try to be provocative, Piper already admitted that "he tried to pull strings".
Do I have to say more ?
The fight club thread has been empty for months - let's move over there :D
Have a great weekend, wherever you are my friend.
Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
I love jokes about cucumbers and jacuzzis. :D
Do I have to say more ?
No, but you will.
The Traveler
02-09-07, 19:13
The fight club thread has been empty for months - let's move over there :D
Have a great weekend, wherever you are my friend.
T1234,
no need to.
I have no beef with you or Piper, just expressed my opinion as you did yours.
We seem to differ, but that's no reason for a fight, isn't it ?
Have a nice weekend as well.
Member #2041
02-09-07, 20:08
T1234,
no need to.
I have no beef with you or Piper, just expressed my opinion as you did yours.
We seem to differ, but that's no reason for a fight, isn't it ?
Have a nice weekend as well.
Traveler, here's a hint: When you are pointedly challenged as to your ability to hold your tongue and say NOTHING, you might try ACTUALLY saying nothing, instead of making yet another post on the subject while CLAIMING that you will not say any more about it.
sorry for the off topic question here lads.
We all know just about any medication you might need are available at the corner pharmacy in BKK, but do any of you have any experience about where to find pet meds? One of my dogs needs a daily pill, which is no problem, but the vets here, in order to squeeze a bit more out of me, want a blood test every six months. I don't have a problem with once a year, but at 200$ a pop, it gets pricey.
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?
Phantomtiger2
02-09-07, 22:29
, but at 200$ a pop, it gets pricey.
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?
1 Ball,
Many pet meds are also the same meds used by people but labelled under a different brand name and often charged more. Just find out the generic name or chemical name of the drug used and easy to check on-line for equivalent and then buy it anywhere in LOS --usually no RX needed but not sure about really strong narcotics?, but assume your pet is not a junkie.
Hope this helps
PT
Phantomtiger2
02-09-07, 23:00
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?
Hey 1 Ball,
just PM you with some info, hope this will get you the stuff you need.
Let me know if you need some more info. and I could do a further search when I get a chance.
Also before I forget,
not all drugs are available in every country, so may or may not be possible to find in LOS.
Cheers
PT
Member #2041
02-09-07, 23:56
Member #2041,
here's a hint too.
When you aren't part of a conversation and don't want to prolong it, hold your tongue and say NOTHING instead of making a post on the subject lecturing others that they shouldn't say anything anymore.
What makes you think that I didn't want to prolong it? Do you honestly believe that I didn't anticipate your responding in a defensive manner? Hardly. I was looking for exactly the type of entertainment you delivered - a marionette show, as it were, with me pulling your strings, and you responding exactly as I manipulated you to do. Piper is not the only one who is pulling your strings. Although, with several of us pulling on them at once, it does appear that your responses sometimes seem to get tangled up in knots.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 00:24
What makes you think that I didn't want to prolong it? Do you honestly believe that I didn't anticipate your responding in a defensive manner? Hardly. I was looking for exactly the type of entertainment you delivered - a marionette show, as it were, with me pulling your strings, and you responding exactly as I manipulated you to do. Piper is not the only one who is pulling your strings.
Member #2041,
LOL, you are giving yourself a pat on the back but don't see that your strings are pulled as well.
I also find it quite interesting that someone like you - who goes bareback and rejects any criticism and well meant advice with "It's my fucking business, not yours" - does criticize and try to lecture others. Very interesting indeed.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 00:28
Member #2041,
LOL, you are giving yourself a pat on the back but don't see that your strings are pulled as well.
I also find it quite interesting that someone like you - who goes bareback and rejects any criticism and well meant advice with "It's my fucking business, not yours" - does criticize and try to lecture others. Very interesting indeed.
Ironically, it was never established in the earlier discussions to which you allude that I in fact go bareback with pros - or rather, could I have merely been yanking your chain for entertaining effect (as I am here). What we DID, however establish in that earlier dialogue, was that you had proven to be completely ineffective in your self-appointed role of the sole arbiter of behaviors which might productively be discussed on an international monger board.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 00:39
ironically, it was never established in the earlier discussions to which you allude that i in fact go bareback with pros. what we did, however establish in that earlier dialogue, was that you had proven to be completely ineffective in your self-appointed role of the sole arbiter of behaviors which might acceptably discussed on an international monger board.
member #2041,
how can you discuss any matter with someone who rejects all well meant advice and claims that his (mis)behaviour - even if it may do damage to other peoples life - is solely his own business and can not be a subject of criticism or advice ?
if i really should have failed in that earlier discussion, then you do also fail right now as my response to t1234 is simply "not your fucking business".
please note, that my answer to t1234 does not bear the potential of harming or killing another person opposite to your barebacking.
just to set things straight : you first admitted to go bareback in a post and when being criticized by others you tried to change the whole thing. i got involved much later, so it's very clear that you haven't been yanking my chain for entertaining effect. your reaction was very similar to o****'s one, but he had the balls to stand for it while you showed the white feather.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 00:49
Member #2041,
how can you discuss any matter with someone who rejects all well meant advice and claims that his (mis)behaviour - even if it may do damage to other peoples life - is solely his own business and can not be a subject of criticism or advice ?
If I really should have failed in that earlier discussion, then you do also fail right now as my response to T1234 is simply "not your fucking business".
Please note, that my answer to T1234 does not bear the potential of harming or killing another person opposite to your barebacking.
For starters, you don't know that I've rejected any advice, as I don't believe that you were in the room during any of my adventures with Thai ladies, and hence, you haven't a clue as to what I was or wasn't doing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands of such interactions which occur for every one that actually (or fictitiously, for that matter) gets reported on forums such as these - which is why your interjection of "well meaning advice" is both laughable and entirely overstated in it's value in your own mind.
And second, since we have established that all you ACTUALLY know that I have done is to make you appear silly and overly impressed by your own self-importance on this forum, I fail to see how anything that I have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person - unless that were to be the consequence of your brain's reaction to your being soundly trounced in an argument with someone else's online personna which you have no way whatsoever of knowing to be representative of actual behavior in the slightest.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 01:00
For starters, you don't know that I've rejected any advice, as I don't believe that you were in the room during any of my adventures with Thai ladies, and hence, you haven't a clue as to what I was or wasn't doing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands of such interactions which occur for every one that actually (or fictitiously, for that matter) gets reported on forums such as these - which is why your interjection of "well meaning advice" is both laughable and entirely overstated in it's value in your own mind.
And second, since we have established that all you ACTUALLY know that I have done is to make you appear silly and overly impressed by your own self-importance on this forum, I fail to see how anything that I have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person - unless that were to be the consequence of your brain's reaction to your being soundly trounced in an argument with someone else's online personna which you have no way whatsoever of knowing to be representative of actual behavior in the slightest.
Member #2041,
I don't ACTUALLY know anything about what you may or may not have done. I never said I do.
All I can do and all I did is to respond to what you have said about yourself.
This leads us to the conclusion that you either did what you have posted in here - which would make all I have said a valid statement - or that you did lie.
So please enlighten us or do you want to beat about the bush endlessly like Opebo ?
Your below remark that you "fail to see how anything that you have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person" shows very clearly that you haven't understood a single word. That's sad because I expected you to be smarter.
Nevertheless I explain it to you :
Nobody cares what you do or don't do in this or another forum as everything you can do here is only bits and bytes. But since we don't expect you to be a liar we expect that your posts reflect your ACTUAL behaviour in the real world. And this behaviour in the real world is the subject of criticism.
But if you have been lying, well, than any criticism was in fact in vain.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 01:08
member #2041,
i don't actually know anything about what you may or may not have done. i never said i do.
all i can do and all i did is to respond to what you have said about yourself.
this leads us to the conclusion that you either did what you have posted in here - which would make all i have said a valid statement - or that you did lie.
so please enlighten us or do you want to beat about the bush endlessly like opebo ?
what i did was to intentionally use obvious hyperbole and obfurep001e the actual details, so that you personally did not actually know what i did or did not actually do in my interactions with thai ladies. because, as i was quite clear to point out repeatedly at that time, it was a) not any of your damn business, and b) utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence the safety of your own behavior or that of others, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum. the purpose for my intentional obfurep001ion was to make it clear that the only actual control you, or anyone else, for that matter could possibly hope to have in affecting the safety of your own interactions, would be how you personally conducted yourself within those interactions. but, it's quite clear that you missed this point 6 months ago when we hashed it out, and you continue to do so to this very day.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 01:21
what i did was to intentionally obfurep001e the actual details, so that you personally did not actually know what i did or did not actually do in my interactions with thai ladies. because, as i was quite clear to point out repeatedly at that time, it was a) not any of your damn business, and b) utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence the safety of your own behavior or that of others, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum. the purpose for my intentional obfurep001ion was to make it clear that the only actual control you, or anyone else, for that matter could possibly hope to have in affecting the safety of your own interactions, would be how you personally conducted yourself within those interactions. but, it's quite clear that you missed this point 6 months ago when we hashed it out, and you continue to do so to this very day.
funny though,
now we are were we started.
do you see the parallels ?
a) it's not any of your damn business (read my below post)
b) it's utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum.
btw, not i have missed the point but you did.
your behaviour does in fact influence my own safety in case of a breaking condom - as nobody can't eliminate all risks and this is something that isn't totally under my control - because a bigger number of infected people will increase my risk in running into a hiv carrier. that's no rocket science and even you should understand it.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 01:32
Funny though,
now we are were we started.
Do you see the parallels ?
A) It's not any of your damn business (read below)
B) It's utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum.
BTW, not I have missed the point but you did.
Your behaviour does in fact influence my own safety in case of a breaking condom - as this is something that isn't totally under my control - because a bigger number of infected people will increase my risk in running into a HIV carrier. That's no rocket science and even you should understand it.
In fact, you are wrong. What I do or don't do with MY Thai lady has asymptotically zero impact on the likelihood of you encountering incremental risk when YOU interact with some other random Thai lady and your condom breaks. It's not rocket science, it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. You are trying to meaningfully impact the weight of a massive haystack by attempting to isolate a single straw from it. Your time is much better spent researching which condoms and which methodologies for using them will minimize breakage - and applying this lesson yourself - either that, or stay celibate - now THAT will make a difference in your incremental risk incurred.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 02:01
In fact, you are wrong. What I do or don't do with MY Thai lady has asymptotically zero impact on the likelihood of you encountering incremental risk when YOU interact with some other random Thai lady and your condom breaks. It's not rocket science, it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. You are trying to meaningfully impact the weight of a massive haystack by attempting to isolate a single straw from it. Your time is much better spent researching which condoms and which methodologies for using them will minimize breakage - and applying this lesson yourself - either that, or stay celibate - now THAT will make a difference in your incremental risk incurred.
LOL, did you skip math ?
Have you ever heard of ascending powers ?
YOU will infect YOUR Thai lady, who will infect others, who will again infect others and so on. That's how an epedemic spreads and viruses reproduce. Put a single bacteria on a culture medium and watch how it divides endlessly. It's simply a question of the reproduction rate and time and one infected person may finally result in millions of infected people.
Or how do you think infections spread ? Put one person with Ebola in a big city like New York and see what will happen. Or do you remember SARS ?
So it's not just a static single data point but a dynamic one that reproduces by ascending powers !
YOU only have to infect 2 people in total, YOUR 2 Thai ladies only have to infect 2 people each, all those on the next level only have to infect again 2 people each and after repeating it 33 times the whole human mankind will be infected because 2³³ = 8.589.934.592. This is far more than the current world population which is estimated at 6.6 billion at Mai 2007.
If we would all be promiscuous and nobody would use comdoms we would be distinct in a few decades. Simply the fact that many people are monogamic or do use condoms saves us from distinction. Your survival depends on our sexual behaviour. You are like someone who is crossing a highway and hopes that people will break. If they do you claim that your behaviour was safe.
You are simply denying your responsibility and downplaying what impact your actions may have. In short : you are ignorant like most barebacking freaks.
Take a look at http://www.worldmapper.org/ they have quite interesting maps. They don't show maps in the conventional way but modify them as the eye is more able to catch different numbers by size rather than colour.
This is a map of the total population
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=2
This is a map of condom use by men
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=226
This is a map of condom use by women
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=225
And finally a map of HIV prevalence
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=227
Member #2041
02-10-07, 02:44
LOL, did you skip math ?
Have you ever heard of ascending powers ?
YOU will infect YOUR Thai lady, who will infect others, who will again infect others and so on. That's how an epedemic spreads and viruses reproduce. Put a single bacteria on a culture medium and watch how it divides endlessly. It's simply a question of the reproduction rate and time and one infected person may finally result in millions of infected people.
Or how do you think infections spread ? Put one person with Ebola in a big city like New York and see what will happen.
So it's not just a static single data point but a dynamic one that reproduces by ascending powers !
You are simply denying your responsibility and downplaying what impact your actions may have. In short : you are ignorant like most barebacking freaks.
No, I am NOT downplaying my own impact, nor am I the slightest bit ignorant. YOU, however are completely ignorant of what I am doing, and that will NEVER change. What I am downplaying is simply the validity of your attempts to devine what my impact in fact is upon you - because you can never hope to do so. Even were I to completely agree with you on this forum, you could not possibly hope to know what I was actually doing, and any belief that you had made your own actions less risky by suggesting to me a course of action would be completely incorrect - because there would be NOTHING upon which you could actually know that I followed the course of action you proscribed for me, even were I to acknowledge that I should and state unequivocally that I would follow said course.
Sorry Traveler, but your logic is fundamentally flawed - first of all, your assumption that I am infected in the first place is erroneous. As for ascending powers - once you multiply the total by zero, (which my actually being uninfected essentially does) it doesn't matter how high all the other powers are - the incremental impact on you is in fact zero. And 2nd, you don't even know if I am barebacking and you can NEVER know it, unless you were in the room with me at the time. The fact is, YOU are the ONLY one who can reduce your own risk, acting individually. You do it by regulating your own behavior. While you are attempting to impact MY behavior, you are in fact completely neglecting the behavior of the infinite number of individuals who are NOT me, some percentage of whom ARE carrying out risky behavior, without ever reading your own bloviations on this forum.
The fact is, you can only hope to impact your own risk factors by addressing the items under your control. And what an uninfected person does is irrelevant, and what an infected person whom you are failing to address does is going to be the one that infects you. You are engaged in a falacy.
If YOU become celibate, you can completely eliminate your own risk. I suggest that you would be much better off doing so, than yammering on and on to someone who's own behavior is both completely unknown to you, and completely irrelevant to your risk factors. Failing that, you should make your own risk/reward assessments in your own activities, just as I do, fully aware of the fact that OTHER folks who don't know you from Adam don't and won't give a damn about you, and you are the only one who bears that particular responsibility.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 03:11
Member #2041,
your argumentation is icompletely missing the point.
It doesn't matter if I know what you or others are doing or not doing. I never said that I do know or will modify my behaviour depending on yours. If you go bareback - and that was your initial stement a few months ago - then you do have an impact on my risk, no matter what.
BTW, all others who wear condoms do also have an impact on my risk, but they do not increase it.
It also doesn't matter if I am willing or not to take a certain risk, you still have an impact on that risk no matter how small or big that risk may be.
And even if you aren't infected now (should we trust you this time ?), you don't have to be the original source of the epedemic, you can be placed at any stage of the described system, but nonetheless you will be a part of it and spreading it sooner or later.
So how can you deny that a bigger number of infected people will have an impact on the residual risk we all face ?
Or do you deny the fact that a bigger number of infected people will increase the likelyhood of running into one of them ?
Old Thai Hand
02-10-07, 03:15
Traveler and Member
While not meaning to get in the middle of your little tiff, this all seems kind of funny given that it grew out of a couple of other guys who wrote something in blue, which yanked Trav's chain.
Sorry. But, it's gotten kind of silly. Maybe we should go back to talking about 1Ball's pet meds or Retired Army's Head Space and Timing.
Anything, but this. Just my 2 baht's worth....
...I think I'll head over to the photo gallery to see what latest travesty of Thai pulcritude has been posted for our viewing displeasure.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 03:35
OTH;
yes it's silly in some way but it's also an interesting topic.
Member #2041 argumentation reminds me of Opebo, who was also denying his responsibility for his actions.
He doesn't want to see that he is part of a huge complex system in which all parts interact in one way or the other.
I agree with him - and ever did - that everybody has to make his own decisions and shouldn't modify his own behaviour depending on his beliefs or knowledge about the behaviour of others.
BTW, he doesn't understand that we agree in this point, as his repetitive argumentation and turning in circles proves.
But I disagree that he hasn't any impact on the residual risk. This risk exist independent from my beliefs or knowledge. And even if I try to minimize it by my own behaviour, it will still be there and it's the sum of everybody's behaviour. Therefore everybody has an impact on that risk, he may increase or decrease it, but he has an impact.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 03:46
Member #2041,
your argumentation is icompletely missing the point.
It doesn't matter if I know what you or others are doing or not doing. I never said that I do know or will modify my behaviour depending on yours. If you go bareback - and that was your initial stement a few months ago - then you do have an impact on my risk, no matter what.
BTW, all others who wear condoms do also have an impact on my risk, but they do not increase it.
It also doesn't matter if I am willing or not to take a certain risk, you still have an impact on that risk no matter how small or big that risk may be.
And even if you aren't infected now (should we trust you this time ?), you don't have to be the original source of the epedemic, you can be placed at any stage of the described system, but nonetheless you will be a part of it and spreading it sooner or later.
So how can you deny that a bigger number of infected people will have an impact on the residual risk we all face ?
Or do you deny the fact that a bigger number of infected people will increase the likelyhood of running into one of them ?
Traveler, What I am absolutely denying is that your lecturing people on this anonymous forum has ANY impact whatsoever on your risk factors. Whether I agree with you, or disagree with you, or choose to state I agree with you while actually disagreeing with you, or actually agree with you while choosing to yank your chain, YOU cannot draw any meaningful conclusion at all, other than that you must control your OWN behaviour as your own risk/reward assesment guides you to. I can assure you, if you are entirely celibate, than what I do, and whether I end up infected or remain uninfected will continue to be completely irrelevant for you.
And no, I am not like Opebo. I do not in any way deny responsibility for my actions. I deny that YOU have anything whatsoever to do with my actions, nor do you even have the remotest of clues as to what they are. And conversely, because of this, me and my actions ought damn well not have any influence on yours. Unless, of course, you are a complete fool.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 03:54
Member #2041,
you again completely miss the point.
I never said or did believe that anything I say in here may reduce or may have any other impact at all on the risks I face.
What I said was, that YOUR behaviour does in fact influence MY risk as everybody else's risk as shown below. You aren't alone in the world and if you, Opebo or others spread diseases then it will have an effect for all others as a bigger number of infected people increases the likelihood of running into one of them.
Maybe you haven't realized that life is too complex to control every tiny part of it, condoms may break or you simply may have bad luck. It's also absolutely unimportant what kind of risk I am willing to take, since you are a part of the same world you do have an impact on that risk too.
All your talking about lecturing and the like is nothing but an attempt to distract from that fact.
It's not about what I think or do, it's only about people who go bareback and if such behaviour has an influence on the residual risk of all others.
Member #2041
02-10-07, 04:06
Member #2041,
you again completely miss the point.
I never said or did believe that anything I say in here may reduce or have any other impact at all on the risks I face.
OK, then given that I have already established that I couldn't care less about your opinion and I entirely disregard it, why do you continue to try to "educate me" in this matter? You continue to cling to the statement that I am altering YOUR risks, and you continue to argue that I ought to alter my behavior. Given that I have already made it quite clear that I give your views no credence whatsoever, wouldn't it be more efficient for you not to waste your time attempting to preach to me, and to others who have made it equally clear that we do not agree with you.
So what exactly IS your point? Since we already know that you cannot have any hope of altering my behavior, or my own opinion of you - I am curious what YOU hope to accomplish. As for me, what I am accomplishing is demonstrating how obtuse you are, and each of your continued responses in this thread contributes in that effort.
BTW, unlike yourself - I'm going to have to declare victory here, and make it clear that I won't bother reading nor replying to any further posts of yours from this point forward. Fortunately, I see that we have a control panel option to ignore that makes it possible for me to not bother seeing your posts any more. You're now on mine.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 04:20
Member #2041,
that's your mistake from the beginning.
You take for granted that I try to alter your behaviour, but I don't.
I simply discuss the question if people who go bareback do have an influence on the residual risk of others.
The fact that you haven't understood it, clearly shows that you aren't as smart as you pretend. You lack the ability of listening to your opponent or to understand what has been said. Maybe you are too egocentric and self-absobed to listen to others and think it's always all about you. But you only stand as a placeholder for all others who go bareback. That's why your argumentation is always missing the point.
I am well aware that someone with your ego and attitude will never ever alter his behaviour or admit a mistake. Don't take yourself too important.
You don't like to be criticized or lectured, but just tried to do that to me. You failed miserably with this attempt and now the lecturer (you) got lectured that it isn't wise to do such thing with the wrong person. Funny, isn't it ? :)
P.S. You constantly modify your posts afterwards, nevertheless adding a declared victory doesn't mean to have actually won, seems you rather ran out of arguments and don't have answers to the raised questions.
And why so emotional, but I am happy to be on your ignore list as it will save me your endless beating about the bush.
Finally, do you remember where we started ?
So who is pulling who's strings and who should admit being a defeated marionette instead of claiming victory :D
Yawn.
Is it over now :( ?
Giotto
Traveler1234
02-10-07, 07:41
Yawn.
Is it over now :( ?
Giotto
2 Yawns :)
Member #3060
02-10-07, 10:28
I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I'd like to be able to use this phone while I'm in Bangkok. From what I've read, the easist thing to do is to buy a temporary SIM card for the phone.
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Does anyone have any recommendations on which card to get? I assume there are various network providers in Bangkok. Is one better or worse than the others? Where is the best place to get a card the airport, 7/11 or is it better to go someplace else? And about how much will just the SIM card cost? I know I have to buy minutes for the SIM card once the card is installed.
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?
Yawn. Is it over now :( ?GiottoNot yet. ;)
... it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. Ah, but 2041, have you taken account the biased sample, partly due to self-selection of the subjects, which could result in homoscedascity of the data? Not to mention possible heterogeneity. I suggest you do a box-test followed by a log-linear transformation of the data before assuming that the results of the MANOVA F-test are valid.
PS, TT - sorry about the color joke that started all this. I'm actually color-blind. :D
The Traveler
02-10-07, 12:18
PS, TT - sorry about the color joke that started all this. I'm actually color-blind. :D
Piper,
your color 'joke' has nothing to do with it.
Member #2041 just used it as a smoke screen to criticize and lecture others.
Strange enough he doesn't like to be criticized and lectured himself.
Additionally it's simply "not his damn business" if and how people respond to posts and "it's utterly laughable for him to believe that his lecturing might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of his lecturing others on an anonymous forum.".
That's why he failed so miserably in his attempt.
There is a huge difference between having an opinion and posting it or trying to tell other people what they have to do.
I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.
The Traveler
02-10-07, 12:57
Piper,
she looks indeed very interested and ethusiastic :D
Fun Times69
02-10-07, 16:47
I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.
I'm sure that in fact she was exausted after her mind blowing sessions with yourself. You're being far too modest Mr Piper :)
Yeah, back to reality and Piper's photo this is something that constantly amazes me about Thai's - at drop of a hat they can be fast asleep. Turn around to get some ice for the drinks and... WTF!!!
Member #2041
02-10-07, 17:49
I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.
Since she's sleeping in water, and she probably tasted like fish, I would conclude that she is an example of the Poisson distribution.
2041 - I love it when you talk French. ;)
Okay - enough fun. Time we got back to serious business, gents. No?
PS - FunTimes - Bengali Girl fell asleep *before* the action with Jungle Girl (but she woke up later for lots of fun).
Retired Army
02-11-07, 09:20
I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I'd like to be able to use this phone while I'm in Bangkok. From what I've read, the easist thing to do is to buy a temporary SIM card for the phone.
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Does anyone have any recommendations on which card to get? I assume there are various network providers in Bangkok. Is one better or worse than the others? Where is the best place to get a card the airport, 7/11 or is it better to go someplace else? And about how much will just the SIM card cost? I know I have to buy minutes for the SIM card once the card is installed.
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?
Your phone might be locked. The easest way to tell is to go to the forth (I think, or fifth) floor of MBK Shopping Mall. MBK is the last stop (National Stadium) of the Sky Train. Buy a cheap sim card (1 2 call is probably the best because you can get recharges at any 7-11 convience store), put it in your phone and see it it works. If it doesn't, take it to one of the phone repair places in MBK and ask to have it unlocked. It should cost about 500THB. I think the cheapest card is 150 THB which includes about 50 THB of air time.
Traveler1234
02-11-07, 11:51
I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?
Cingular branded phones are always lock - if you're customer of sufficient length, they'll unlock; call CMS.
If it is tri-band or quad band, it will work in Asia; I don't know the V551 but just check your manual. As far as charging, not an issue. Only think you would need is adaptor - US plugs don't always work in Bkk. A good one to buy is what is sold in duty free magazine/in-flight or airport, swiss made, fat round, dark brown color.
Prepaid sim 1-2 brand is B$99 and then you need to purchase minutes, buy B$300 and get 330 minutes, then ask them to access international roaming (just in case you want to use it outside of bkk).
Lord Farquard
02-11-07, 13:53
If it is tri-band or quad band, it will work in Asia; I don't know the V551 but just check your manual.
The v551 is a Quad band phone.
Retired Army
02-11-07, 15:25
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?
99.9% of cellular phones will automatically convert between 110-220 volts. Actually, they will take 12v from your car's electrical system and still charge the battery.
Depends on the hotel you are staying. If it's a fairly decent hotel and they have a shaver socket in the bathroom you can use that to charge your phone. It will accept either the standard U.S. flat plugs or the round European types. No need to purchase an adapter.
T123 is correct that it has to be either a tri- or quad-band phone which most U.S. phones are not. So I would check your owner's manual or service provided to determine if your phone will work in Thailand. If it doesn't, you can pick up a cheap phone in MBK, use it for a week, and then give it to some poor, deserving soul who can use it when you leave.
I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks
I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks
That current phone you use in Asia only is a dual-band GSM, runs only on 900, 1800 which are not in the US. For what it's worth, that phone will work in Europe if you ever go there. If you find tri-band in Asia, chances are the 3rd frequency is 1900 which is the most common GSM frequency in the US. If you want to be sure to go anywhere and not worry about GSM reception, get a quad-band: it will have all the frequencies you need to get around the world.
I'm not sure you will find old-fashioned phones that are also quad-band, but I seem to recall there were models that could have been tri-band. These old-fashioned phones are still available in LOS and PI because they're very cheap. But because they're cheap, they may not be available with the extra frequencies. Guess you will just have to hunt.
Phantomtiger2
02-11-07, 23:28
Holy downward spiral Batman,
With all the recent turmoil in LOS and talks of economic downturn, the only thing thats in a downward spiral is the dollar.
I was in LOS in Nov and got 37b to the dollar.
Now, its barely 33b!! (even after the bombings and coup, it was still over 36)
Just to keep you guys informed so adjust your beer consumptions and shagging accordingly.
PT
The phone you want is a Nokia 1100A (the 900/1800) or the 1110 (I think) the 1110 comes in a "non-US GSM version". Any "non-colour" Nokia phone will do it pretty much (green with black letters). IF you have an American 1100B << note that B - it's the 850/1900 frequency version), you can change out the motherboard for maybe 400B or so. (unlock the US M/B in the phone before swapping it out and reinstall in the US for service (but not with the Thai SIM - it only works on the Thai net.)
Chargers - LOOK AT THE LETTERING ON THE CHARGER - the voltage is specified there. SOME (NOT ALL) are "don't cares" - going from 100v to 240v. IF it ISN'T you will be outputting DOUBLE voltage with a charger (transformer/rectifier) for 110V. UNLESS the phone has a zener voltage lock in the circuit, you will overcharge and blow the battery (and that blowjob is NOT something you want.) TWO choices - 1) use a converter - easy enough and relatively cheap - but I don't really know the prices - buy (probably) in the US - last one I got was at a flea market for $5 - or - 2) buy the charger in muangThai (at a market where they sell "used phones" they usually have "used chargers" for 100 to 200B or so and keep it for travel) The PLUG in may places in muangThai is a "dual Euro-North American" TWO prong (3 is relatively rare - not unknown, just rare) so what _I_ do is to take a US common 2 lug spade terminal extension cord and plug in the charger into it.
I also pack a "cheater" 3 to 2 prong adapter plug to run the computer. In case anyone is wondering - the charger is usually a bit heavy for those outlets and tends to fall out. The extension cord relieves the tension on the plug - it stays in and the charger can sit on the table/floor/where ever. PARTCULARLY if yu use the shaver plug in a hotel, it's usually up "high" and the risk of damage to the charger if it falls out and hits the tile floor is "significant". besides, the lower level plugs are easier to use (except of course, that Thai seem to feel that ONE plug per room is OK (yeah, right)
Now not to rain on 1ball's parade - but - a US phone unless TRI or QUAD band WILL NOT WORK IN THE US (period) - the frequencies are not the same. And that's the name of that tune. NO WAY NO HOW SAN LOI GI. (oops, I mean "KHOR TOTE")
all this, of course, has nothing directly to do with with FFF poo-ying, but what the heck...
LittleBigMan
02-12-07, 01:17
1Ball, I also have T-Mobile, last year I switched from a monthly to a pay as you go plan. Personal I use the phone for basic conversation so I wanted a basic set-up so I could use the phone in Thailand and the U.S. by simpily switching sim cards. I have 2 tri-band phones Samsung 219 purchased at Targets for 79.00 and a Samsung 319 purchased at Wal-mart 99.00, difference is that the 319 takes photos otherwise they are the same. Oh the 219 comes in red and the 319 is black.
You can get the phones unlocked at a independent phone outlet usually at the mall for 20.00. Now that I have been using these phone in the U.S. and Thailand I have learn that although they are tri-band phones they are relatively cheap and that the batteries aren't very strong. In the U.S. I have to charge the phone every 3 days even though I shut it off at night and in Thailand for whatever reason I have to charge it nearly daily!
Right now I'm thinking of trying to purchase a inexpensive phone like the Nokia in Thailand just to see if it's more practical.
Retired Army
02-12-07, 08:01
I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks
I have several Sony-Erricson cellular phones that I use all over the world. I like them because they are rugged and work when others won't, even in remote locations. Down side is that batteries are hard to get for the older models. Not so with Nokia.
Holy downward spiral Batman,
With all the recent turmoil in LOS and talks of economic downturn, the only thing thats in a downward spiral is the dollar.
I was in LOS in Nov and got 37b to the dollar.
Now, its barely 33b!! (even after the bombings and coup, it was still over 36)
Just to keep you guys informed so adjust your beer consumptions and shagging accordingly.
PT
And I wonder why I think Cambodia is a better overall "value" - just that I can't get my "primary" trip purpose accomplished in Cambodia as easily or safely
I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started!
Member #2041
02-21-07, 02:19
I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started!
For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.
But really, there is mongering to be found anywhere you want in Thailand - you need to tell us what ELSE you want to do in order to get useful advice. Is it more important to be able to find mongering for 500 Baht, or to have some other interesting daytime persuasions to keep you busy?
NicFrenchy
02-21-07, 02:23
For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.I fully agree with that. I prefer Samui over Phuket myself.
For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.
But really, there is mongering to be found anywhere you want in Thailand - you need to tell us what ELSE you want to do in order to get useful advice. Is it more important to be able to find mongering for 500 Baht, or to have some other interesting daytime persuasions to keep you busy?
Thanks for the insight. Ideally, I would love to see a good amount of BKK, a beach/island area, and a cultural/off-beaten track area. Wherever I am, however, I would like to have a reasonably high expectation of finding Da Nani without really any hangups. Typical day envisioned: wake up and eat, see a temple/beach/bazaar/museaum, have lunch, get massage and/or laid, get dinner, get drunk and laid...repeat over and over...go home. I dont need nice clubs and bars in any location...and dont need expensive super models either.
I would like to 'average' 1000BT for ST and no more than 1500-2000BT for LT, but for off the beaten path, I want to find deals...I personally prefer lower prices for 6s and 7s than top dollar for 9s and 10s when travelling for long durations.
Member #2041
02-21-07, 06:20
Thanks for the insight. Ideally, I would love to see a good amount of BKK, a beach/island area, and a cultural/off-beaten track area. Wherever I am, however, I would like to have a reasonably high expectation of finding Da Nani without really any hangups. Typical day envisioned: wake up and eat, see a temple/beach/bazaar/museaum, have lunch, get massage and/or laid, get dinner, get drunk and laid...repeat over and over...go home. I dont need nice clubs and bars in any location...and dont need expensive super models either.
I would like to 'average' 1000BT for ST and no more than 1500-2000BT for LT, but for off the beaten path, I want to find deals...I personally prefer lower prices for 6s and 7s than top dollar for 9s and 10s when travelling for long durations.
OK, in that case:
Cambodia: 2-3 days in Siem Reap is definite. Angkor Temples are not to be missed, and there is certainly mongering to be had, at slightly lower prices than Thailand. IMHO, The rest of Cambodia is really a function of how much roughing it in search of bargains you are up for - Travel within the country is rustic at best, but outside of Siem Reap, $10 ST, $20 LT is the MOST you should expect to pay.
Chiang Mai is not a real bargain mongering destination, but should be viewed as a very nice place to visit for culture/temples/Thai countryside, where mongering is certainly available for similar prices as Bangkok, but not in nearly so much variety.
Pattaya is cheaper, sleazier, and mongering is ubiquitous
Samui is a great Island/beach/diving destination with lots of bar scene in either Chaweng or Lamai, and almost none anywhere else. Phuket is similar, but IMHO, more expensive and less interesting, with the hobbying concentrated around Patong Beach.
Other than these two islands, the main beach island destinations are much more remote, and mongering is limited unless you bring a companion with you. Mainland beach venues are Pattaya and Hua Hin (much more upscale, much less mongering than Pattaya, and caters more to Thais).
Bangkok is a huge, polluted, congested city, with lots of museums, temples, culture, fancy shopping, and plenty of mongering of all variety both day and night.
Other than Bangkok and Pattaya, mongering is mostly a nighttime only activity, unless you make daytime arrangements with someone you have already met.
As far as the more remote destinations, others, as well as these forums, would be your guide.
Retired Army
02-21-07, 06:25
I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
I think you are going to be tired of the place after 24 days, especially if it's your first visit. You are probably going to make all the "newbie" mistakes and get a dose of reality. It takes a special kind of mentality to stay for a long time in Thailand.
Member #2041
02-21-07, 06:52
I think you are going to be tired of the place after 24 days, especially if it's your first visit. You are probably going to make all the "newbie" mistakes and get a dose of reality. It takes a special kind of mentality to stay for a long time in Thailand.
I disagree - so long as he doesn't spend more than 4-5 days in any one place, and he mixes it up between beach and other outdoor activities, culture such as temples and museums, and mongering, I don't think he'll get tired of it at all. Each of my trips has been in the 20-24 day range, and the only thing I find getting old is the long flights across the Pacific. It's not like he's planning on spending 3 weeks straight in Bangkok and Pattaya - I agree that would get pretty stale. I would also point out that he's a New Yorker (which is where I'm from as well) and being a New Yorker, he's much less likely to be intimidated by the scale and population density of Bangkok, nor taken in by the low level taxi and street scams that many folks fall prey to their first time out.
Monger 3, I think it is highly unlikely that you will be 'tired of' Thailand or Southeast Asia generally after just 24 days. In fact I consider that the minimum length stay to be worth the uncomfortable flight.
Pattaya is far and away superior to every other part of Southeast Asia for mongering, and also one of the more pleasant places to stay. There you can have the greatest variety of girls, cheap rooms, and good Thai food. Hint - eat only where the Thais eat. Never eat in a place where you see other farangs - it will be relatively bad and a danger to your gastrointestinal health. Pattaya is a pale shadow of its former self due to the destruction of the Beach Road scene, but it is still better than the rest of the world together.
Other than Pattaya, I would suggest that you spend time in Cambodia, but avoid Siem Reip: an awful tourist trap and the ruins are, like all ruins, tiresome. Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville are better, though Phnom Penh is also a pale shadow of its former self since K11 has been destroyed. Keep in mind in many of these countries you are chasing a ghost.
I also recommend Isaan and South Thailand - but by South Thailand I mean the cities and towns not frequented by farangs, such as Surat Thani and Nakhon Si Thammarat. In Isaan you can count on getting girls from 300-500 baht, and in the South 300-1000. Check out my reports in the 'Other Areas' section. Isaan towns that are particularly good are Udon Thani, Nong Khai, and to a lesser extent SiSaket, Surin, and Buriram. Udon is again one of those places that is a pale shadow of its former glory, but still worth visiting.
I have not yet been to Northern towns of this size and type, but freeler reports very positively about Pitsanulouk. Avoid Chiang Mai for mongering, though you may have better luck in less touristed Northern towns. By the way, the best food in Thailand is Southern and Northern food, compared to Central and Issan, but all are delicious.
Member #2041
02-21-07, 07:12
I would add that Opebo's recommendations are probably valid if all you really are focused on doing is mongering, and you could care less about the cultural aspects of the countries you are visiting. Siem Reap and Chiang Mai are on my recommended agenda because they are the places to expose you to the cultural and spiritual centers of the Asian way of life (and BTW, good mongering is quite available while you're there). They are probably the worst "mongering" spots in their respective countries, but they are still pretty darn good in that regard when compared to anywhere in the world OTHER than the rest of Thailand and Cambodia. But to my mind, anyone who goes to Cambodia and skips Angkor has not really learned ANYTHING about Cambodia, and similarly Thailand with respect to Chiang Mai.
If you are planning on spending 24 days in Thailand and Cambodia, you would be silly NOT to go to Siem Reap and Chiang Mai for a few days each. Of course, if the ONLY head you wish to expose to the lifestyle and culture of these nations is the small one, then you could safely skip those two destinations.
Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. After being raised in NYC during the Dinkins administration, and living in places like Rio and Santo Domingo, I think I have the big city thing down, and many thanks for the insight on the non-BKK alternatives I should check out.
Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?
This site should have a search function BTW. With all our mongering histories, its getting hard to find info as this site grows.
Member #2041
02-21-07, 07:58
Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?Cheap Charlies take the land route. Personally, I flew directly into Siem Reap. BTW, if you plan on going to both Siem Reap and Samui, by far the best way to do it is to buy a 4 trip Discovery Airpass on Bangkok Airways from the U.S. before you go. Bangkok Airways has monopolies on the BKK to Siem Reap and BKK to Samui routes, and they charge much more if you buy the flights individually from Bangkok.
http://www.bangkokair.com/discoveryairpass/
Jungle Bluebird
02-21-07, 10:43
Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. ...Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:
Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.
Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.
Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.
Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.
Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.
Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.
Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.
Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.
Phantomtiger2
02-21-07, 18:25
I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started!
24 days/nites is quite a long time just for mongering so as some others have said, try to bring in some social and custom places to divide your attentions and then you won't feel as bored or one track minded.
I agree with others that CM and Siem Reap are worth the time even as its not a major monger destination-its still available if you look hard enough or simple ask your hired drivers.
Take the overnite train with bed from Bkk to CM is best as this saves you a night of hotel and arrive near center of city in the morning so no time wasted.
Fly into SR is best as overland road in Cambo truly sucks.
7 nights in BKK is a bit too much and should be broken up to perhaps 3 in Bkk and rest in Pattaya or leave these days free to extend your visit in Cambodia (SR and PP).
7 days in Phuket?--also way too long. If going south for mongering, suggest you also try HatYai in the south along with Koh Samui. These are major monger destination among the Malayasians.
Have a good time dude.
BTW: I also went thru the Dinkins good time era before Guillani decided to destroy the nightlife for mongers.
PT
Fun Times69
02-21-07, 19:34
Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:
Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.
Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.
Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.
Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.
Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.
Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.
Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.
Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.
Wow!
Two completely different experiences... well, if we all liked the same things the world would be a sad and very boring place
Your time in BKK - consider staying at Livingstone's because of the fellow mongers you'll be able to swap stories with and without any drop in quality.
Just quickly checked out Pattaya for the first time when I was in Thailand late last year and was pleasantly surprised.
Soi Cowboy, saw some very decent chicks there although I do accept that many will be 'country girls' but thats what some people are looking for. For me, the best time to talent spot was earlier in the evening (8pm) although I've seen reports from other mongers that say different.
Massage Parlors - agree 100%... some cracking places.
The best Thai food I ate was in the smaller cafes normally packed with Thai's... go there with a Thai and be prepared to be amazed.
Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!
Check out the Reports of Distinction find out what suits your taste... and remain flexible... when you're bored of BKK head elsewhere.
You've got so much time mate, there's no need to have a rigid schedule. Kick back, enjoy your holiday, and shag everything in sight. :D
Jungle Bluebird has described an itinerary in the $200/day range, which offers little in terms of experience of Southeast Asia, and given the focus on high end non-local food, probably a nasty bout of illness.
Monger 3, remember that a real traveler will enjoy getting to know the common people, not just the sycophants at the five star hotel. Some of my best nights in Thailand have been spent around an open fire outside an Issan brothel, eating grilled intestines and waiting for my girl to finish with her Thai workman customer.
Please remember also that, while skin colour doesn't matter at all to an enlightened man, because of the racist Thai social heirarchy the whiter girls will be more 'in demand'; thus your best service will usually be from darker girls. But try everyone, or whoever strikes your fancy.
There is no need to pay more than 800 baht for a hotel in Bangkok, 400-500 in Pattaya, and in untouristed cities in Isaan and the South expect hotels for 120-160 fan, or 200-300 aircon. I typically budget 1,000-1,200 baht per day for Isaan travels, including girl.
Lastly, avoid Bangkok - it is a very unpleasant, hot, expensive place.
Member #2041
02-21-07, 21:16
Monger 3, there is a middle ground between the pampered experience that Jungle Bluebird is endorsing, and the ultimate Cheap Charlie adventure that Opebo has recommended, and after several 3+ week trips to Thailand, it's the one that I have come around to:
I USUALLY am pretty value-oriented in terms of hotels, and I have found that it costs around 1/2 as much generally in Thailand to get the level of hospitality that they are accustomed to paying in the U.S - although the rapidly declining dollar vs. the baht may be changing this. There are certainly perfectly decent hotels that can be had anywhere in Thailand for under $40 a night, and in Cambodia for under $25 a night, and adequate but spartan rooms for even less, sometimes much less. But I recommend spending the last 2-3 days of your trip in a really nice 5-star or at least 4 star hotel in Bangkok to decompress and insulate yourself from the big city hassles that are otherwise omnipresent. My recommendations for this are the Plaza Athenee, Sheraton Grande, or JW Marriott. If those are outside your budget, consider the Dynasty Grande or the Majestic Grande.
As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places. My experience is, until you really know the lay of the land in the land of the lay, you are better off setting your standards and budget higher, to the type of places that can be booked online in advance from the U.S.
I would really emphasize that while Opebo's type of trip is certainly doable for a dedicated monger who has substantial experience on the ground in Thailand and Cambodia - as he clearly does, it's NOT the type of experience I would endorse for a newbie to the area.
Phantomtiger2
02-21-07, 22:39
As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places.
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Absolutely agree.
Most often you will need to know exact location of these places or know where and how to tell driver to located them. Don't forget that most if not all these cheaper places can't be booked or even found on-line for any confirmation bookings.
I also read alot of reports of certain locations before my actual travel there but most often the exact locations of cheaper, nicer places are left out by many because of one main reason: they don't like to let out a secret as a fear that when its time for them to visit, it will be full.
PT
Jungle Bluebird
02-22-07, 04:01
.. Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!...Ok, must agree with that one. You may find stretchmarks and dark skin (without the sad stories though), but still it's definetely an experience :-)
Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.
Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.
I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).
Member #2041
02-22-07, 07:45
Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.
Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.
I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).
I never said it was difficult to find cheap hotels without knowing one's way around the places one was looking and actually being there. I said it was difficult to find GOOD cheap hotels. I don't generally think that the fact that streetwalkers frequent a hotel makes it good, even if we are looking for streetwalkers. In general, I prefer to spend time with them a bit removed from their own element.
hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on girl in thailand?
what is the price and does she accept this kind of services?
NicFrenchy
02-23-07, 05:46
hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on girl in thailand?do you mean "already done"?
i'm sure you can have that done, but not my thing at all.
Retired Army
02-23-07, 19:02
hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on girl in thailand?
what is the price and does she accept this kind of services?
what kind of a sick person are you?
Streetlooker
02-23-07, 19:13
You can go to the EDEN club and get this if you wish. I do think this is gross has hell though.
Phantomtiger2
02-23-07, 19:49
hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on girl in thailand?
what is the price and does she accept this kind of services?
although i'm not really sure if they offer that type of service but eden club in bkk may be your best option.
pt
GoodTimes2
02-24-07, 19:18
I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.
My scenario and question is this. .
I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.
The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.
So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?
I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?
The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.
AR - now I see why you've been so quiet here recently - you've started your own site. I came across it (oops, sorry) by accident last night. Looks good.
AR - now I see why you've been so quiet here recently - you've started your own site. I came across it (oops, sorry) by accident last night. Looks good.Had a bunch of PMs asking about AR+'s site. My proxy server is to slow to answer them all. As his "sexpat" site has commercial links, best not to give the site address on open forum. I like his cynical and witty comments about the corporate world, linked to wicked sex thoughts. I can relate. He's the triple-x version of Dilbert. ;)
Cerberus Hell
03-06-07, 13:54
neither the eden club in bangkok nor the hell club in pattaya offer "rep001" play.
cerberus (owner of the hell club)
Cerberus Hell
03-07-07, 14:51
you can go to the eden club and get this if you wish. i do think this is gross has hell though.there is no rep001 play at either eden or the hell club.
cerberus
I think the real answer to your question is Brazil. But of the three places you mention, Thailand is No. 1. The number of available women is beyond belief, even more than The Phillipines. Indonesia is very good but you have to work a little harder to find the girls. I've had great times in Jakarta and Batam but they don't compare to BKK or Pattaya.
Having a wild uninhibited sexual experience is possible in all three. Knowing which girl to pick is the key no matter what country you visit. Even an experienced monger occasionally chooses the wrong girl.
SE Asia Joe
03-09-07, 10:50
Gents;
Please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(Translated from the Thai Rath Newspaper, 4 March)
After Mr Wichai (Tao), aged 24, from Samut Songkram province, who earns his living by dealing in old goods, got married to gorgeous
twins Ms Sirintara and Ms Thipawan 22, he vouched his sincerest 'equal love' for both of them!
Mr Wichai, just yesterday, 23 March, got married in a pompous ceremony to both twins simultaneously.
On being interviewed by the Thai Rath reporters, Mr Wichai declared wholeheartedly, that he didn't see much problem in having to perform tiresome marital duties with two wives.
In the engagement ceremony before the wedding, Mr Wichai successfully offered a dowry of eight baht of gold and 80,000 baht EACH for his lovely darlings.
Both families celebrated the marriage with joy and were said to be delighted for the threesome.
Mr Wichai told the press that he had been best of friends with his neighbouring twins since they were children.
"When I grew older, I would walk past their house each morning and try to decide for myself which one I fancied more, but it
was darned impossible - I adored BOTH of them - I just couldn't decide, which one of them to chat up....!"
He went on to say, 'For three continuous years all three of us would go on dates together, until there was one day when I couldn't stand the frustration any longer and told them, "I love you and want to marry you BOTH"'
The fortunate Mr Wichai, instead of getting a slap in the face, was overjoyed when both girls admitted to having sworn all along,
that they wished to marry the same man!
"It wasn't easy at first, what with the neighbours gossiping, but our family sympathized, understood, and fully supported
our mutual love for the one man" the twins said.
Mr Wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared TWO rooms for the newly-weds.
Our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:-
"And.... what are the sleeping arrangements Mr Wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"Absolutely no problems! For the first three nights of the week, I will sleep with Ms Thipawan and the next three will be spent with Ms Sirintara. As for every Saturday, the three of us will sleep together"
Ms Sirintara finally told the press,
"When my twin and I worked as assistant nurses, we promised each other that we would never leave each other's side, and that our future husband would have to either take us both, or leave us.
Anyway, Mr Wichai is the perfect man - he neither smokes nor drinks!"
SE Asia Joe,
Yep. That's it.
Giotto
Member #2041
03-09-07, 18:05
Gents;
Please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(Translated from the Thai Rath Newspaper, 4 March)
Mr Wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared TWO rooms for the newly-weds.
Our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:
"And.... what are the sleeping arrangements Mr Wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"Absolutely no problems! For the first three nights of the week, I will sleep with Ms Thipawan and the next three will be spent with Ms Sirintara. As for every Saturday, the three of us will sleep together"
This strikes me as a waste. I would surely get rid of the second bedroom, perhaps turn it into a home office - especially as he might wake up too tired to deal with the commute in Bangkok.
A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch.
This knucklehead made no comment when he entered the courthouse with his legs chained, dressed in an orange prison uniform. I'd be requesting my own execution.
BTW, that is the worst offense you can be jailed for in Thailand. Even the prisoners worship the the Royal family, and they will make this Swiss guys life a living hell.
I saw a silly fool drawing beards and mustaches on the face on a Baht note once at a bar in Pattaya and when he held it up to show us we all ran out of the place. I think they'd arrest you just for looking at it. I heard that even setting a glass on top of the face on the Baht note at a bar could get you a good Thai-style ass kicking.
Those cameras are all over the UK, and Thailand too. He should have been spay painting them instead.
Phantomtiger2
03-12-07, 22:18
A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch.
This knucklehead made no comment when he entered the courthouse with his legs chained, dressed in an orange prison uniform. I'd be requesting my own execution.
BTW, that is the worst offense you can be jailed for in Thailand. Even the prisoners worship the the Royal family, and they will make this Swiss guys life a living hell.
I saw a silly fool drawing beards and mustaches on the face on a Baht note once at a bar in Pattaya and when he held it up to show us we all ran out of the place. I think they'd arrest you just for looking at it. I heard that even setting a glass on top of the face on the Baht note at a bar could get you a good Thai-style ass kicking.
Those cameras are all over the UK, and Thailand too. He should have been spay painting them instead.
Yup, Not knowing the culture of a foreign country or ignoring the harsh reality will always get you in deep shit. Just because they think doing the same thing at home will get a laugh or get noticed, but in LOS they put you in a stink hole for a very long time.
Also, don't even think of hiding thai bahts in your shoes. The Thais consider the feet one of the dirtiest parts of the body and having that same dirty/smelly feet over the proud King's face--well, you get the picture.
PT
Member #2041
03-13-07, 00:44
A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch......
I believe that his nickname in Prison will be Swiss Cheese, because all of his fellow inmates will be looking to enjoy his holes.
Fellas,
I just read about the Swiss guy who was caught spray painting his Majesty. Very bad. On my last trip to the LOS I read a book called "Damage Done" by Warren Fellows. He is from Australia. He was caught with so many kilos of cocaine trying to transport it from BKK to Australia. In the book he describes being in prison in Thailand and all the torture he had to endure for like 11 years. Its a great read. I read it cover to cover on my plane flight back to the US. I recommend it.
The rest of this guy's life is going to be really bad.
Evil Penivel
03-13-07, 02:58
That Swiss guy is lucky to be alive. If he'd have been caught by Thais on the street, it's unlikely he'd still be around to face trial. In terms of the big picture, the King now has the opportunity to show both his wisdom and mercy by pardoning the idiot. I can't imagine the Swiss guy would be too popular among the general population in a Thai prison.
Insult the Buddha or the King in front of a group of Thais and they'll stomp you to death. The police will say you died of a heart attack or drug overdose or committed suicide. Your body will be cremated immediately and your embassy will get the urn delivered the next morning. Case closed.
It isn't a joke. Whatever else you do or don't do, never, ever do anything considered even remotely disrepectful of the Buddha or King. It's literally a matter of life and death. If you can't accept that and abide by it drunk or sober, don't visit LOS.
Evil
Phantomtiger2
03-13-07, 17:42
That Swiss guy is lucky to be alive. If he'd have been caught by Thais on the street, it's unlikely he'd still be around to face trial. In terms of the big picture, the King now has the opportunity to show both his wisdom and mercy by pardoning the idiot. Evil
A complete pardon is unlikely, but a reduced sentence is possible and that's only after they make the Swiss gov't exaust all diplomatic means and sweat it out , then beg his highness for being lenient on one of their poor citizens. Or the Swiss govt could simply say he was nuts and he forgot to take his medications--sorry, had to say this as its a popular court defense these days.
But, They will make sure he will do at least some qualilty time in their rat holes to serve as a reminder to foreigners as what not to do while in LOS.
PT
I will be spending a few weeks in Taiwan on a trip, and since I've never been to Thailand I was hoping to travel there for a bit, but probably could only spend 5-7 days at most.
I am interested in sex, and also experiencing some of the culture, food, and environment of Thailand. Would it be appropriate to spend the whole trip in Bangkok, or would it be better for me to hit another city?
For hotels, are there places relatively "close to the action" but reasonable, and with internet?
Does anyone know the best way to get a cheap flight from Taiwan to Thailand?
I look forward to sharing my experiences with the group, and appreciate your advice!
M P Lurker
03-21-07, 09:10
gents;
please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(translated from the thai rath newspaper, 4 march)
after mr wichai (tao), aged 24, from samut songkram province, who earns his living by dealing in old goods, got married to gorgeous
twins ms sirintara and ms thipawan 22, he vouched his sincerest 'equal love' for both of them!
mr wichai, just yesterday, 23 march, got married in a pompous ceremony to both twins simultaneously.
on being interviewed by the thai rath reporters, mr wichai declared wholeheartedly, that he didn't see much problem in having to perform tiresome marital duties with two wives.
in the engagement ceremony before the wedding, mr wichai successfully offered a dowry of eight baht of gold and 80,000 baht each for his lovely darlings.
both families celebrated the marriage with joy and were said to be delighted for the threesome.
mr wichai told the press that he had been best of friends with his neighbouring twins since they were children.
"when i grew older, i would walk past their house each morning and try to decide for myself which one i fancied more, but it
was darned impossible - i adored both of them - i just couldn't decide, which one of them to chat up....!"
he went on to say, 'for three continuous years all three of us would go on dates together, until there was one day when i couldn't stand the frustration any longer and told them, "i love you and want to marry you both"'
the fortunate mr wichai, instead of getting a slap in the face, was overjoyed when both girls admitted to having sworn all along,
that they wished to marry the same man!
"it wasn't easy at first, what with the neighbours gossiping, but our family sympathized, understood, and fully supported
our mutual love for the one man" the twins said.
mr wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared two rooms for the newly-weds.
our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:-
"and.... what are the sleeping arrangements mr wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"absolutely no problems! for the first three nights of the week, i will sleep with ms thipawan and the next three will be spent with ms sirintara. as for every saturday, the three of us will sleep together"
ms sirintara finally told the press,
"when my twin and i worked as assistant nurses, we promised each other that we would never leave each other's side, and that our future husband would have to either take us both, or leave us.
anyway, mr wichai is the perfect man - he neither smokes nor drinks!"
seems to work out perfectly if mr wichai is approximately twice as horny as the girls. i hope the twins were not identical, as that would improve the variety. i always have problems with being more horny than my girlfriends and wanting sex about twice as often as they do.
one of my girlfriends was an identical twin but unfortunately she wasn't very horny at all.
now in a proper threesome the 2 girls should really get it on together and provide a lesbian show for mr wichai, but that seems a little unlikely in this case since it would be seen as [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) (not that i have anything against siblings getting it on sexually if they want).
if, by chance, the girls are more horny than mr wichai, i see some problems.
LittleBigMan
03-21-07, 09:48
Hatachi,
Try Eva Air they seems to have lots of flight daily.
Traveler1234
03-21-07, 12:03
China airlines, Eva and of course TG all fly.
Best bet, eztravel.com.tw - not sure if website has english but their office Min Sheng E Rd, about 3 blocks west of Citibank and CX airlines, pm for more details.
Lemon Tree
03-29-07, 16:47
Gentlemen, here is the result of a stupid idea
Swiss Oliver Rudolf Jufer leaves the court for prison in Chiang Mai Province, 700 km (310 miles) north of Bangkok, March 29, 2007.
A Thai court sentenced Jufer, 57, to 10 years in jail on Thursday for defacing images of Thai royalty, a rare prison term for a foreigner convicted under the country's tough lese-majeste laws.
REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom (THAILAND)
Yours
Lemon Tree
Phantomtiger2
03-29-07, 22:21
Gentlemen, here is the result of a stupid idea
Swiss Oliver Rudolf Jufer leaves the court for prison in Chiang Mai Province, 700 km (310 miles) north of Bangkok, March 29, 2007.
A Thai court sentenced Jufer, 57, to 10 years in jail on Thursday for defacing images of Thai royalty, a rare prison term for a foreigner convicted under the country's tough lese-majeste laws.
REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom (THAILAND)
Yours
Lemon Tree
What made this whole affair worse is that this idiot was not a newbie in LOS. I could understand someone making this mistake as a drunken newbie and not aware of the strict culture surrounding the King, but this idiot have actually been living in LOS for over 10 years!!!!
PT
Old Thai Hand
03-30-07, 01:46
What made this whole affair worse is that this idiot was not a newbie in LOS. I could understand someone making this mistake as a drunken newbie and not aware of the strict culture surrounding the King, but this idiot have actually been living in LOS for over 10 years!!!!
PT
He won't actually do much of that time, but will quietly be released after a few months. They have to make a big show, and set an example, particularly at this time with everything in such turmoil and the power elite under threat.
It's a stupid law, even opposed by the king, put in place by one Thailand's dictators in the 60s as a way to shore up the ruling military class. Much of the pomp and circumstance one sees associated with the royal family is the invention of the military in the 60s. For example, before that Thais didn't have to prostrate themselves before the king because the practice was abolished by King Rama V around 1900. But, it was reinstated to reinforce the hierarchy in Thai society and maintain the power in the ruling classes.
NicFrenchy
03-30-07, 04:08
He won't actually do much of that time, but will quietly be released after a few months.He will do enough time. So that he won't be the same man again when he gets out. Well, at least his asshole won't be the same diameter.
Serves him right, he should have known better.
Retired Army
03-30-07, 07:21
He won't actually do much of that time...
He may only do a few months, but it ain't going to be fun time. And then he will be permanently banned from Thailand, like he would want to come back.
Secrets of Thai bar girl pay revealed
How much do Thai bar girls get paid? Here are their terms and conditions - plus those of brothel workers and massage girls too. The benefits package isn't very tempting but, on the plus side, they get to meet lots of interesting new people.
Bar girls
Bar girls' salaries range from 2,000 to 6,000 baht per month. Here are some of their work rules.
• Only two days off permitted a month, or they must pay 300 baht a day for extra leave days.
• No leave permitted on Fridays, Saturdays and national holidays. Otherwise, fines range from 500 to 1,000 baht a day.
• Must go out with the clients four to 10 times a month or pay fine of 500 baht for each missed quota.
• Must sell 80-100 drinks to clients or pay 30 baht a drink for the missed quota.
• Must have health check-up every three months. If the blood test is positive for sexually transmitted diseases, they will not get the salary for that month.
• Must wear the outfits arranged by the bars or pay the fine of 100 to 200 baht.
• Must not use the clients' restrooms.
• Must not eat during work hours.
• Must buy own drinking water.
Member #2041
03-30-07, 17:45
Scooby1, good info (especially about the amount of bar fines needed to compensate for taking the lady out for a vacation day), but I've seen enough bar girls eating on the premises that I suspect that the rule about not eating during work hours must vary across different establishments.
Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle
Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle
Ha Ha Ha. Are you serious? Eagle, they just want our money! They don't care if you are married or not! Unless you are going for non pros then that might be a different story. Hope you have lots of fun.
NicFrenchy
04-03-07, 17:57
Ha Ha Ha. Are you serious? Eagle, they just want our money! They don't care if you are married or not!
Not so fast.
Yes that is 99% true, but they will all ask you if your wife is Thai.
If your wife is a Farang, they will laugh and proceed to make you feel good ;)
If you say your wife is Thai, they will be very cautious, Thai girls can be crazy when it comes to love, and P4P girls fear that. My colleague is Married to a Thai and everytime he goes to a bar, he removes his ring, he told me some girls refused to go with him because he was married to a Thai.
Thanks Nic, appreciate the reply.
HT, I am hurt. Here I was thinking that the p4p girls will just want to go with me for my good looks and my fit bod. Now you are saying that it is my fat wallet they are after? Man that sucks. Well hopefully she will too!
Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle
Does not matter if you remove the ring as long as you do not remove your wallet
Just thought I would make some personal observations about Suvarnabhumi.
I used the airport several times during my recent visit to LOS. I used Air Asia to fly backwards and forwards to Chiang Rai but couldn't believe the marathon trek it takes to get from the main hall to the departure gate. This must be the longest walk I have ever had in any of the numerous international airports I have visited over the years.
Taxi touts seem to be an even bigger problem here than they used to be at the old airport, I must have got propositioned at least a dozen times. I am sure other mongers have mentioned this before me, but head down to the ground floor for the licensed meter taxis. This by the way is officially called the "1st floor"
There is an excellent and cheap restaraunt on this floor by exit 8 about half the price of the rest of the other places at the airport. If you walk outside and turn left, immediatley on the left is an airport shop for the Thai airport workers. Everything there is priced at levels you would expect to pay in a regional 7/11 store and beats paying the excessive prices charged elsewhere.
I was surprised to find that the rules have now changed about flying out from Thailand and that you no longer have to pay the departure tax (was it 500 baht or 700?) The cost is now incorporated into the airline ticket which makes a lot more sense to me.
Good bus service into BKK but yes prices have gone up from the old airport. I caught my bus from the first floor (150 baht) straight into Sukhumvit Road) where I was staying.
If you want to use a taxi to get around (better than a bus) do what I do, especially if you do not want to spend lots of cash and are travelling to Pattaya for example. Sooner or later there will be people turning up going to the same destination and you just ask them would they like to share the cost with you. With two or three people this can save you a lot of money which you can then spend on something far more worthwhile when you get to Pattaya!
April 12, 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The Thai king has pardoned a Swiss man who was given a 10-year sentence for spray-painting over images of the revered monarch, but the longtime Thailand resident has been ordered to leave the country, police said Thursday.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, who last month became the first foreigner convicted in at least a decade under strict Thai laws protecting the monarchy, was expected to be deported back to Switzerland later in the day, said police Col. Sangob Sanudon, the chief of Chiang Mai's immigration office.
Police and prison officials in the northern city of Chiang Mai confirmed Jufer had been transferred Wednesday to a police station in Chiang Mai ahead of his deportation. They said he was expected to fly to Bangkok and then onto Switzerland. "The king in his kindness has granted him a pardon and he has been transferred from prison and is in the process of being deported from the country," Chiang Mai police Col. Prachuab Wongsuk told The Associated Press.
A spokesman for the Swiss Embassy could not be immediately reached for comment. Jufer was caught by surveillance cameras on December 5 spray-painting black paint over five outdoor posters of King Bhumibol Adulyadej in Chiang Mai, where he lived.
Bhumibol, who is greatly loved by Thais and regarded by some as semi-divine, is protected from reproach by strict laws that forbid any criticism of the monarchy. Jufer, who lived in Thailand for 10 years, pleaded guilty in March to five counts of lese majeste, or insulting the monarchy. He had faced a maximum of 75 years in prison.
According to court testimony, Jufer had been out drinking with a friend and drove his motorcycle home to pick up a can of spray-paint, which he had bought to paint his dog house. He drove up to a municipal office where a large poster of the king was hung outside, and climbed a ladder to spray paint over the image. He then defaced four other posters near his home, according to the testimony.
The vandalism coincided with Bhumibol's 79th birthday, which was celebrated across Thailand with fireworks and prayers. Millions of portraits of the king, who is the world's longest serving monarch, were hung late last year around the country to honor his birthday. Many Thais wear bright yellow shirts every Monday, the color that in Buddhist tradition represents the day of the week on which Bhumibol was born.
His case cast a rare spotlight on Thailand's strict lese majeste laws, which have remained virtually unchanged since the creation of the country's first criminal code in 1908, despite the overthrow of an absolute monarchy in 1932.
Phantomtiger2
04-12-07, 23:36
April 12, 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The Thai king has pardoned a Swiss man who was given a 10-year sentence for spray-painting over images of the revered monarch, but the longtime Thailand resident has been ordered to leave the country, police said Thursday.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer.
According to court testimony, Jufer had been out drinking with a friend and drove his motorcycle home to pick up a can of spray-paint, which he had bought to paint his dog house..This idiot got off easy. Even his so call defense is BS.
He was suppose to be drunk and can't tell the difference between the King's face and a dog house? Yet he was sober enough to drive a motocycle all over the place? Well, like I said, his testimony is all BS.----IMO
PT
Hello Gents,
I just discovered this forum by accident, you know how it goes, click on this, click on that, and voila!
Anyway, I am a frequent visitor to BKK, and KL, and plan on doing a lot of reading in the next few weeks. I have my favorite haunts, and am interested to see if many are mentionned in these threads. I have perused several of the threads, and am a bit confused about this "fight club". What is the deal there.
Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.
Phantomtiger2
04-19-07, 23:57
Hello Gents,
. I have perused several of the threads, and am a bit confused about this "fight club". What is the deal there.
Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.
Nice to have you aboard pal.
The "fight club" is not like in the movie of the same name, rather it's just a place to argue over BS among current members. It's not the place to post vital information but a place to express your thoughts only.
PT
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