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CzarNicholas
06-01-19, 08:34
Now there's a surprise. . . LOL.

I get flamed a lot but that's why i say I don't take the hottest girls in the club / Gogo etc. The baggage often makes the looks not worth the high price of admission.

Give me an 8 that knows how to say thanks anyday.

But each to his own, I guess. 😁.

Enjoy. G.Give me an 8 that knows how to say thanks anyday.

Catire
06-02-19, 06:21
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!Rooftop deck further down Sukhumvit? (tree something or other?

There is restaurant (never been inside) on Soi 11 just off Sukhumvit that plays live music, and the singer (s) is / are quite good.

I'm guessing your gf isn't from BKK? otherwise it would be quite easy for her to ask around and find out?

Syzygies
06-02-19, 06:40
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!Rooftop bar "Long Table" of Column Hotel (Suk Soi 16) is great for a classy Quiet place with super views. I thought was even better than the State Tower, in terms of easy to sit at edge and look out over the city. Live music, but quiet, I am not so expert on.

Cdd4100
06-02-19, 07:43
Rooftop bar "Long Table" of Column Hotel (Suk Soi 16) is great for a classy Quiet place with super views. I thought was even better than the State Tower, in terms of easy to sit at edge and look out over the city. Live music, but quiet, I am not so expert on.She lives in BKK but only knows the disco scene and the Issarn show bars which I really like. Also we've gone to some German dinner and dancing place, was fun. She doesn't want to go to Khao San. There are tons of places in Chicago, etc. I can't believe such a big city as Bangkok doesn't have piano bars, places like that. Oh well, so it goes. There are things to do early evening but she works until 9 pm. Things are easier without a GF!

Thanks for giving it some thought!

EihTooms
06-02-19, 08:02
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!I think the one Catire mentioned on Soi 11 is Zanzibar. On the left as you walk down Soi 11 away from Sukhumvit. Mostly outdoor seating, but some overhead coverage, so be mindful during Rainy Season. Casual, relaxed, somewhat romantic, candlelight tropical setting. Good food. Live music suitable for table chatting unless you sit right next to a loud speaker for the music.

My experience is very few Thai girls know about places like this unless they work the lower Sukhumvit area and have been taken there by Farang or Asian tourists/expats.

Syzygies
06-02-19, 08:41
I think the one Catire mentioned on Soi 11 is Zanzibar. On the left as you walk down Soi 11 away from Sukhumvit. Mostly outdoor seating, but some overhead coverage, so be mindful during Rainy Season. Casual, relaxed, somewhat romantic, candlelight tropical setting. Good food. Live music suitable for table chatting unless you sit right next to a loud speaker for the music.

My experience is very few Thai girls know about places like this unless they work the lower Sukhumvit area and have been taken there by Farang or Asian tourists/expats.Interesting. Admittedly many years ago, but my Zanzibar experience was really poor. Mosquitos, food poor (can't remember fine details now unless I search for my very old review), service poor. I would have though Rosabieng in same Soi was much much better (if is still there).

I found it since Zanzibar is such a good search word (2011 ha ha):

Zanzibar was totally shit, IMHO, although many will agree. There was nothing good about it. Get eaten by mosquitos while waiting a long time for unsatisfactory food, and pricey. Plenty of better places in the same Soi 11, like Rosabieng, limoncello, etc. Even the German Pub.

I would eat in a good hotel buffet when price and quality is right, but its important to find a good one. Not the Ambassador, for example. I used to enjoy one at Century Park Hotel in Pratuunam a few years back that was very reasonably priced. Its usually easier to just pick a good normal restaurant and avoid eating too much. Grand Millenium buffet was okay (perhaps a bit pricey).

2K sounds too high for a buffet to me. I would rather get a cheap bite and a sex session for same money. A work out at Mango is not fattening :D

I like Little Italy on corner Soi 23 for simple stuff. Their lamb cutlets are great. Unpretentious, basic, but good.

My favourite restaurant is Toaya Soi 33/1 (Japanese) very good value for money and super fresh suschi, which is difficult to find (closed Tuesdays).

EihTooms
06-02-19, 10:36
Interesting. Admittedly many years ago, but my Zanzibar experience was really poor. Mosquitos, food poor (can't remember fine details now unless I search for my very old review), service poor. I would have though Rosabieng in same Soi was much much better (if is still there).

I found it since Zanzibar is such a good search word (2011 ha ha):I have never noticed a mosquito problem there. I would not recommend Zanzibar only for the food but closer to the other criteria listed by the OP. I just mentioned the food in passing really. I don't believe the other restaurant options cited in your 2011 review qualify for any of the things asked for by the OP. That older exchange seems to have been only about places to eat in that area, something the OP this time didn't mention.

EihTooms
06-02-19, 11:04
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!I just thought of another couple of alternatives that I have enjoyed for the criteria you listed. The first one is very different, but fits what you mentioned.

Open House on the 6th floor of Central Embassy at BTS Ploen Chit. It is only open until 12 Midnight on Friday and Saturday night (10 pm otherwise). It is an open style design book store with eclectic eateries and bars, some with high angle views of the surrounding city neighborhood. Typically on the weekend evenings there are a couple of small musical groups set up on opposite sides of the giant room. Might be soft jazz (sorry) or let's say hip standard ballads, stuff that fits the relaxed environment. It might even be chamber music sometimes. You brave enough for that possibility? Lol.

So, it has live music, bars, views, many food options if you do get hungry and is VERY different from the disco scene for sure. Grab one of those huge coffee table books on American Gangster Movies or whatever and flip through the pages with your girl on one of the sitting area couches while you sip your drink and enjoy the background music.

It can make for an evening I'll bet your girl has never had with any other man.

And then there is Escape on the top floor of the Glass Tower (I think. Or the Water Tower) in EmQuartier at BTS Phrom Phong. it varies, but that might often be more soft jazz music.

Houston Player
06-02-19, 11:19
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!Depending on your ages which you didn't mention the basement of the Landmark hotel has a pub with generally older but ok music and decent food.

Smoothy
06-02-19, 11:27
I have a Thai GF, we are bored with discos every night. Last night she wanted a quiet place for drinking, listening to music, maybe live singer or group. She doesn't like jazz, too bad. I only know the Sukh scene. Any suggestions would be most welcome!!The girls from the office took me here. It was unique. FAR from quiet though.

http://www.bangkok.com/magazine/tawandang-german-brewery.htm

Syzygies
06-02-19, 12:46
I have never noticed a mosquito problem there. I would not recommend Zanzibar only for the food but closer to the other criteria listed by the OP. I just mentioned the food in passing really. I don't believe the other restaurant options cited in your 2011 review qualify for any of the things asked for by the OP. That older exchange seems to have been only about places to eat in that area, something the OP this time didn't mention.I agree, I was not recommending those places to him. I recommended Column Hotel rooftop bar. Still at the time in 2011, I was extremely dissatisfied with Zanzibar for the things mentioned. Good food maybe would have saved it. I don't recall the music part now.

I have no longer any clue what I ordered, other than was a mistake. My conclusion was it was just a tourist trap. It is quite possible that years later, they have rectified the serious issues at the time. Would be worth check recent reviews on trip advisor etc.

I checked it. Some good reviews. Looks like people like the music and ambience. Food gets mixed reviews with some saying good, others saying bland and average, others saying they just received wrong stuff (normal communication problems ha ha). It may well be much improved over when I went there.

General agreement on too pricey.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d804724-Reviews-Zanzibar-Bangkok.html

Food reviews are always iffy. Individual taste and knowledge of what the food should be like, varies.

Here is a site for rooftop bars:
https://www.therooftopguide.com/rooftop-bars-in-bangkok.html

EihTooms
06-02-19, 14:51
The girls from the office took me here. It was unique. FAR from quiet though.

http://www.bangkok.com/magazine/tawandang-german-brewery.htmAha! Yes, that place is a big favorite with local Thais. A must visit at least once. You're right, far from quiet. More like a Thai pop music riot in a giant beer hall. Be prepared to at least stand and dance at your table seat like almost everyone else.

EihTooms
06-02-19, 15:04
I agree, I was not recommending those places to him. I recommended Column Hotel rooftop bar. Still at the time in 2011, I was extremely dissatisfied with Zanzibar for the things mentioned. Good food maybe would have saved it. I don't recall the music part now.

I have no longer any clue what I ordered, other than was a mistake. My conclusion was it was just a tourist trap. It is quite possible that years later, they have rectified the serious issues at the time. Would be worth check recent reviews on trip advisor etc.

I checked it. Some good reviews. Looks like people like the music and ambience. Food gets mixed reviews with some saying good, others saying bland and average, others saying they just received wrong stuff (normal communication problems ha ha). It may well be much improved over when I went there.

General agreement on too pricey.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d804724-Reviews-Zanzibar-Bangkok.html

Food reviews are always iffy. Individual taste and knowledge of what the food should be like, varies.

Here is a site for rooftop bars:
https://www.therooftopguide.com/rooftop-bars-in-bangkok.htmlI only remember two items I had at Zanzibar, both were pretty good so I ordered them each of the 3-4 times I have taken a girl there; a spicy shrimp salad where the shrimp tasted almost as good as a decent quality lobster tail in the states and, for me, a very satisfying fettuccini carbonara. Maybe had some kind of ice cream dessert. Considering I believe they are selling the drinks, atmosphere and music more than anything, the food was better than I expected. But without the former elements, I would not go there just for the food.

The ladies seem to like it a lot. It touches a lot of bases many girls think of for a semi romantic dinner for two; candlelight, outdoors, tropical setting, live music, fruity cocktails. Many Thai girls have never been taken to that kind of place.

Mr Enternational
06-05-19, 09:06
Looks like it is getting tough to stay in this country.

LittleBigMan
06-05-19, 10:54
Looks like it is getting tough to stay in this country.Mr. E.

What office did he go to? The requirements have been in effect for some time since Embassy aren't handing out the affidavits any longer. If doing Income for the first time they might give you a month but certainly not the time frame you buddy is using plus the money has to come from pension and MUST be deposited into a Thai Bank. You can't show pension monthly statement from a local bank from home it must be deposited into a THAI BANK!

If your buddy is in Pattaya I have a source down near beach road and soi 13, haven't met them myself by a coffee buddy used them just a few months back and said 13,000-15,000 took his passport and come back in 2 days, when he did the retirement extension stamp was right in his book. He said he didn't have to have money put in the bank then removed as many services do just gave them the book that was it.

Might be the trend income only because for Bank deposit of lump sum 800,000 baht you need to season 2 months before and 3 months thereafter the amount can't drop below 400,000 baht this method you also need to when doing your need 90 days report bring your bankbook to verify you haven't taken the money out.

People don't listen until too late? A close friend just did his extension he used the 800,000 baht method, had it seasoned applied and got his extension a week later he said he took some money out to pay the bills, he got a SMS message from Immigration in Jomtien and told to come down to office when he did he found out his extension was cancelled due to the money withdrawn with the 3 months.

AssLover945
06-05-19, 15:02
I am getting bored of the famous BJ bar at soi 8. Have done most of their pretty ones already.

Lollipop BJ bar at soi 10 is already closed.

I was looking for Kasalong and couldn't find it. Can some fine gentleman here help me get there through correct directions please?

Biffduff
06-05-19, 15:57
I am getting bored of the famous BJ bar at soi 8. Have done most of their pretty ones already.

Lollipop BJ bar at soi 10 is already closed.

I was looking for Kasalong and couldn't find it. Can some fine gentleman here help me get there through correct directions please?If you keep walking past that famous bar on soi 8, you'll see a small alleyway on the left that has a hair salon. Once you get back out into the sunlight, you can literally touch a gal that could be gobbling your knob in mere moments. It's seriously about a 15 second walk past L's.

Gargano19
06-07-19, 03:29
I am getting bored of the famous BJ bar at soi 8. Have done most of their pretty ones already.

Lollipop BJ bar at soi 10 is already closed.

I was looking for Kasalong and couldn't find it. Can some fine gentleman here help me get there through correct directions please?Are you talking about Lollipop?

I thought it was massage parlor.

Is it just BJ bar like 7-heaven?

Syzygies
06-07-19, 04:23
I am getting bored of the famous BJ bar at soi 8. Have done most of their pretty ones already.

Lollipop BJ bar at soi 10 is already closed.

I was looking for Kasalong and couldn't find it. Can some fine gentleman here help me get there through correct directions please?Would not take long to do all the pretty ones, if you could find one at all. Not sure why you would het bored if BBBJ was damn good. Perhaps she was not pretty at all.

Kasalong is probably officially in Soi 6. Can't miss it on walk through from Lollytas. It might be less than 50 metres away. Probably has better looking girls (not saying that much).

CzarNicholas
06-07-19, 16:53
I've heard there is a limit on amount of entries per year? Is this true?

If so? How many?

AssLover945
06-07-19, 19:53
Would not take long to do all the pretty ones, if you could find one at all. Not sure why you would het bored if BBBJ was damn good. Perhaps she was not pretty at all.

Kasalong is probably officially in Soi 6. Can't miss it on walk through from Lollytas. It might be less than 50 metres away. Probably has better looking girls (not saying that much).Well I insist on BJ everywhere in oilies and the BJ bars, you definitely need to see fresh faces once in a while.

Carlosalves
06-07-19, 19:55
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AssLover945
06-07-19, 20:04
If you keep walking past that famous bar on soi 8, you'll see a small alleyway on the left that has a hair salon. Once you get back out into the sunlight, you can literally touch a gal that could be gobbling your knob in mere moments. It's seriously about a 15 second walk past L's.So it means Kasalong is at the end of the soi. Ok I will pass [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and see if I can find Kasalong.

AssLover945
06-07-19, 20:05
Are you talking about Lollipop?

I thought it was massage parlor.

Is it just BJ bar like 7-heaven?Long time back it was a BJ bar named Lollipop.

Dunno what happened, one fine day I see the board of a massage parlour, so I don't go anymore.

Penguin69
06-07-19, 21:40
Had a great BBBJ from a girl called Som at Kasalong. Petite, lovely voice, face and eyes. Sweet nature. Would have ST her if I'd had more energy after long flight. Wondering if she's still there for my next visit.

EihTooms
06-08-19, 02:25
Well I insist on BJ everywhere in oilies and the BJ bars, you definitely need to see fresh faces once in a while.I walk past L0litas and Kasalong almost every day or night and have seen several new girls sitting outside both over the past 2-3 weeks. At least a handful have what I would consider cute or pretty faces and fit, doable bodies.

Seems there has been an uptick in hiring a few new ones lately. The turn over and change in line ups at these places is not as notable as it is in most go-go bars, where it can look very different from night to night if not hour to hour. But lately I would not take a negative report about who or what someone saw while walking by once in a great while as a reason not to check them out more regularly. Based on looks alone, that is.

Smoothy
06-08-19, 02:46
I walk past L0litas and Kasalong almost every day or night and have seen several new girls sitting outside both over the past 2-3 weeks. At least a handful have what I would consider cute or pretty faces and fit, doable bodies.I agree. I walked by there the other day and thought the girls were the cutest there that I have ever seen. The BJ bars normally have mostly dogs, but there were some nice girls seated out there saying "inside".

Syzygies
06-08-19, 04:37
I've heard there is a limit on amount of entries per year? Is this true?

If so? How many?You should use the general Thread. I used to average 7 free entries per year, each for 30 days max. And extendable to 60 for 1900 Baht at Immigration (in Chaeng Wattana or a province office). They decided to do a crack down, because they want more money coming in.

The official line now, is you get 2 free entries for 30 days each and extendable (at least for my country. Different for Indians) per year (Calendar year??? - maybe counted as the year before your entry). They "MAY" let you have additional free entries. Depends on if the airport officer likes you or not, or is in a good mood, etc. If you want more than 2 entries per year, you are advised (officially) to apply for a Visa.

You can get a single entry Visa from most nearby countries' Thai embassy or consulate. Unfortunately the requirements for documentation and length of time (how many days) taken vary. Jakarta was so difficult. Strike that one off. Maybe much easier in Laos, Cambodia, Singapore. They MAY want to see your flight itinerary, hotel booking, etc. even you don't know in advance what date they will complete the Visa, ha ha, so don't leave it till the last minute to get organised.

You can get multi entry Visa from your home country. I use a 6 month multi-entry Visa (requires evidence of money in the bank) when possible each year now and maybe 2 free entries on top of that. I will change over to a yearly Visa soon hopefully.

Penguin69
06-08-19, 05:38
Hi,

Just wondering whether to buy lube in Europe and bring or to buy there. It's often advised to buy condoms before arrival and wondering if it's the same for lube- choice and quality of product.

Smoothy
06-08-19, 05:53
Jakarta was so difficult. Strike that one off. So true. You never want to do anything visa related in Indonesia for any country. Even living in Indonesia, I would specially fly to Thailand, Hong Kong, or Singapore to get visas to any country I needed to go simply because Indonesia is such a pain in the ass to get a visa to anywhere.

Mogwai
06-08-19, 07:20
The official line now, is you get 2 free entries for 30 days each and extendable (at least for my country. Different for Indians) per year This is new to me. I thought you could get up to 6 free entries in a row before being questioned?

Goferring
06-08-19, 09:01
So true. You never want to do anything visa related in Indonesia for any country. Even living in Indonesia, I would specially fly to Thailand, Hong Kong, or Singapore to get visas to any country I needed to go simply because Indonesia is such a pain in the ass to get a visa to anywhere.Huuuh, why? Surely you are dealing with the 3rd party Embassy which has nothing to do with Indonesian bureaucratic efficiency?

Cheers. G.

Smoothy
06-08-19, 10:41
Huuuh, why? Surely you are dealing with the 3rd party Embassy which has nothing to do with Indonesian bureaucratic efficiency?

Cheers. G.Nope. Indonesian bureaucracy is alive and well in those embassies. I think it's probably fine if you are a local Indonesian, but if you are a visitor or expat, they rake you over the coals as always.

Goferring
06-08-19, 12:20
Nope. Indonesian bureaucracy is alive and well in those embassies. I think it's probably fine if you are a local Indonesian, but if you are a visitor or expat, they rake you over the coals as always.Ok. I forgot that 95% of said embassies are local hires so that would explain it.

AssLover945
06-08-19, 16:11
Had a great BBBJ from a girl called Som at Kasalong. Petite, lovely voice, face and eyes. Sweet nature. Would have ST her if I'd had more energy after long flight. Wondering if she's still there for my next visit.Went there at around 4 PM and as expecting a bevy of beauties, but found almost 50% fatties. Where were those slim, dusky ones that honorable members were talking about? 5555 anyway got one with a big ass and went up, SOP very similar to next door BJ Bar, price was the same too.

Crazy4Thai
06-08-19, 16:42
You should use the general Thread.

SNIP

The official line now, is you get 2 free entries for 30 days each and extendable (at least for my country. Different for Indians) per year (Calendar year??? - maybe counted as the year before your entry). They "MAY" let you have additional free entries. Depends on if the airport officer likes you or not, or is in a good mood, etc. If you want more than 2 entries per year, you are advised (officially) to apply for a Visa.
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An actual rule is that you are limited to 2 border crossings by land per year. Arriving by air without a visa has no official limit. However that experience is the luck of the draw. If you get the wrong IO stamping you in he or she can make your life difficult even to the point of denying entry. For all details about visas and rules I follow thaivisa.com.

EihTooms
06-09-19, 02:06
Went there at around 4 PM and as expecting a bevy of beauties, but found almost 50% fatties. Where were those slim, dusky ones that honorable members were talking about? 5555 anyway got one with a big ass and went up, SOP very similar to next door BJ Bar, price was the same too.LOL. A "handful" sprinkled over the day and night shifts of two BJ Bars would hardly qualify as a "bevy" of anything, much less beauties. In total, I'm guessing 25-30 girls work in those two bars, day and night shift.

Of course, the 1-2 acceptably cute or pretty girls working the day shift at Kasalong Bar might have been busy with other customers when you arrived at 4pm. I think that hour is more popular than most during the dayshift, btw.

That said, I don't recall the day shift at Kasalong Bar, which ends at 6pm when the night shift comes in, being a time when any of the newer and more appealing faces I have seen showing up lately. It would probably have been the evening shift there and both shifts at L0litas next door. And even then it is all in the timing for the 30-60 minute timeframe you arrive or walk by.

It stands to reason the better looking girls at any place like this will not be the ones lingering around outside with nothing to do as often as the less attractive ones. Actually, if ONLY 50% of an 8 or more girl line up at any time of the day or night at a BJ Bar are chubby or fat enough to be considered "fatties" but not grossly obese, that's a darn good line up.

FL Hawk
06-09-19, 02:29
I've heard there is a limit on amount of entries per year? Is this true?

If so? How many?From https://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/thailand-entry-requirements.html:.

"The duration of stay in Thailand for persons who enter Thailand without a visa cannot exceed 90 days during any six-month period, counting from the date of first entry. ".

Syzygies
06-09-19, 02:39
An actual rule is that you are limited to 2 border crossings by land per year. Arriving by air without a visa has no official limit. However that experience is the luck of the draw. They are in fact suggesting you get only 2 free entries per year now (guaranteed). I asked the Thai Consul and he is a friend of mine, and he admitted the Thai government wants to collect more money than before. That is why more than 2 free entries is frowned upon, but possibly. It is discretionary. The rule may not be spelled out clearly in writing, however officials start to ask questions when you try for too many freebies, as I experienced before. They should not be able to stop you, I was told by a guy who does it regularly, provided certain things, like you have a return ticket (ticket to leave Thailand), have hotel booking to show, and have 20000 Baht in cash on you. However exactly how many free entries will be allowed is not clear. You are safe on 2 per year, then gets more and more iffy.

In general you are expected to apply for a Visa after 2 entries because they want your money.

Border crossings are fine if you have a Visa allowing reentries (more than 2 possible I believe). Not recommended if you want to do free entries without a Visa. For free entries, I would suggest fly out and in (to be safe). I have certainly heard of border crossing guys refused entry, yet I have done it O.K. myself with a multi-entry Visa.

The big problem with all this stuff, is the rules are not spelled out clearly in writing officially to the level we would call clear. They often talk about rules for certain Visa which don't apply. Ask your Thai consulate to be sure. Better to be safe than sorry is my view. I want to maintain a spotless record, so am even loath to overstay a day or two and pay the fine. Habitually doing the wrong thing could get a red stamp on the passport. Not to be readmitted for some period.

Syzygies
06-09-19, 02:56
From https://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/thailand-entry-requirements.html:.

"The duration of stay in Thailand for persons who enter Thailand without a visa cannot exceed 90 days during any six-month period, counting from the date of first entry. ".Your link does not work properly. However the point is valid. Suppose you have been in for 60 days already. Next time stay another 30 days and attempt to extend, to 60 days. That might be refused due to the 90 days total rule.

I would be surprised if I never violated the 90 days per 6 months rule in the past, not being aware of it, and coming and going often. However would have to check my travel history.

If have clocked up 80 days so far, and come in again, not sure if will give you 30 days or just 10 days before having to leave.

The moral is simple. If you want to stay in Thailand for serious amounts of time, you best be thinking Visas. 6 months multi-entry Visa is a good option (and actually provides a max of 6 months plus 90 days if last entry is close to end of the 6 month).

Bubba Boy
06-09-19, 10:32
Currently there is no official limit to how many "visa exempt" entries one can obtain per year by air. I personally had 5 last year with a total stay of about 7 months in total. Once you go above 6 visa exempt entries you do get flagged within their system which may or may not be an issue.

If your cumulative stay goes above 9 months on "visa exempt" entries per year I would be a little nervous, although you shouldn't have an issue if you only do it for 1 year. If you do it for more than 2 years in a row you are really relying on how the immigration official is feeling on the day. Most people will still get in without an issue however some get denied.

There are many "denied entry" stories on the thaivisa forum. The commonalty for being denied entry is more than 9 months annual cumulative stay over 2 or more years. Some people have done it for years and only a few have been denied entry so it just depends on the immigration official you get at the airport. Although there is no official limit on how long you can stay per year the denied entry stamp basically says "doesn't have the means" to stay in the country. The "means" refers to not having the appropriate long term visa rather than how much money they have on them or access to.

Interestingly most people that get denied entry usually fly back into a neighbouring country and then enter by land without issue. On thaivisa there is a whole list of friendly land crossings that will let you in even with a denied entry stamp in your passport and have stayed for years on simple short term visas. Visa exempt entries by land are limited to two per year. Smaller areas don't always follow the policy from Bangkok.

Even when you have a proper Tourist Visa obtained through an embassy in either single entry or multi entry form it still won't guarantee you can stay forever. It will probably lower the probability of getting denied entry however there have still been cases of people being denied entry on these visas on the basis of staying too long in the country. The embassy and immigration are different departments and immigration ultimately has the last say when entering the country.

If you are staying only up to 6 months per year then entering on a visa exempt basis won't be a problem. If anyone ever asks at immigration what you are doing in Thailand so often, just say holidaying. Any work, even as a digital nomad is strictly illegal, the answer is always "I am a tourist. I do no from of work here at all". If you are working remotely in Thailand no one will know or care. But never mention it at immigration as they will deny you entry at any mention of any form of work. Play along with what they want to hear. Do not mention that you even answer some emails while there. You do zero work or even think of it while in Thailand.

If you want to stay for more than more than say 8 months per year in Thailand on a long term basis then you need to look at a long term visa. If you are over the age of 50 then a retirement visa. THB 800 k in a Thai bank or verified income of THB 65 k per month into that account is a rough guide to what you need. If you aren't 50 or don't want to go through that BS, then the Thai Elite Visa program will get you a stay of 5 years for a one off payment of THB 500 k or 20 years for THB 1 million.

Kickoffs
06-10-19, 04:47
LOL. A "handful" sprinkled over the day and night shifts of two BJ Bars would hardly qualify as a "bevy" of anything, much less beauties. In total, I'm guessing 25-30 girls work in those two bars, day and night shift.

Of course, the 1-2 acceptably cute or pretty girls working the day shift at Kasalong Bar might have been busy with other customers when you arrived at 4pm. I think that hour is more popular than most during the dayshift, btw.

That said, I don't recall the day shift at Kasalong Bar, which ends at 6pm when the night shift comes in, being a time when any of the newer and more appealing faces I have seen showing up lately. It would probably have been the evening shift there and both shifts at L0litas next door. And even then it is all in the timing for the 30-60 minute timeframe you arrive or walk by.

It stands to reason the better looking girls at any place like this will not be the ones lingering around outside with nothing to do as often as the less attractive ones. Actually, if ONLY 50% of an 8 or more girl line up at any time of the day or night at a BJ Bar are chubby or fat enough to be considered "fatties" but not grossly obese, that's a darn good line up.Wow, that is a bummer. Haven't been to a BJ bar in ages since there's much else to do. But it's reports like these that don't have me curious.

Gargano19
06-10-19, 14:06
Currently there is no official limit to how many "visa exempt" entries one can obtain per year by air. I personally had 5 last year with a total stay of about 7 months in total. Once you go above 6 visa exempt entries you do get flagged within their system which may or may not be an issue.

If your cumulative stay goes above 9 months on "visa exempt" entries per year I would be a little nervous, although you shouldn't have an issue if you only do it for 1 year. If you do it for more than 2 years in a row you are really relying on how the immigration official is feeling on the day. Most people will still get in without an issue however some get denied.

There are many "denied entry" stories on the thaivisa forum. The commonalty for being denied entry is more than 9 months annual cumulative stay over 2 or more years. Some people have done it for years and only a few have been denied entry so it just depends on the immigration official you get at the airport. Although there is no official limit on how long you can stay per year the denied entry stamp basically says "doesn't have the means" to stay in the country. The "means" refers to not having the appropriate long term visa rather than how much money they have on them or access to.

Interestingly most people that get denied entry usually fly back into a neighbouring country and then enter by land without issue. On thaivisa there is a whole list of friendly land crossings that will let you in even with a denied entry stamp in your passport and have stayed for years on simple short term visas. Visa exempt entries by land are limited to two per year. Smaller areas don't always follow the policy from Bangkok.

Even when you have a proper Tourist Visa obtained through an embassy in either single entry or multi entry form it still won't guarantee you can stay forever. It will probably lower the probability of getting denied entry however there have still been cases of people being denied entry on these visas on the basis of staying too long in the country. The embassy and immigration are different departments and immigration ultimately has the last say when entering the country.

If you are staying only up to 6 months per year then entering on a visa exempt basis won't be a problem. If anyone ever asks at immigration what you are doing in Thailand so often, just say holidaying. Any work, even as a digital nomad is strictly illegal, the answer is always "I am a tourist. I do no from of work here at all". If you are working remotely in Thailand no one will know or care. But never mention it at immigration as they will deny you entry at any mention of any form of work. Play along with what they want to hear. Do not mention that you even answer some emails while there. You do zero work or even think of it while in Thailand.

If you want to stay for more than more than say 8 months per year in Thailand on a long term basis then you need to look at a long term visa. If you are over the age of 50 then a retirement visa. THB 800 k in a Thai bank or verified income of THB 65 k per month into that account is a rough guide to what you need. If you aren't 50 or don't want to go through that BS, then the Thai Elite Visa program will get you a stay of 5 years for a one off payment of THB 500 k or 20 years for THB 1 million.Thanks for such a detailed info.

Robert Long
06-12-19, 09:59
Nope. Indonesian bureaucracy is alive and well in those embassies. I think it's probably fine if you are a local Indonesian, but if you are a visitor or expat, they rake you over the coals as always.Stay off of any Indonesian airlines. I watched a Aljazeera report today on how bad the Indonesian government is and how corrupt the department heads are for following up on any maintenance complaints. The Air Asia that crashed in the Java sea had a faulty rudder system that was reported a number of times and never repaired. Not only that the flight was not authorized to fly on the day it flew. They just let it go. Some one got paid, I'm sure.

I know Air Asia is Malay but sama sama. They are just not that well educated to do the right thing. If you have ever used AA then you know how they beat the shit out of those planes. Turn arounds are fast and never a stoppage to repair.

Also many times I've flown AA and the exit doors have no one in the high priced seats. If there is an emergency who will open those doors? AA charges High prices because of the extra leg room, but ignores the fact that the seats are empty. Who allows that?

The only Indo carrier allowed into the USA is Garuda, which is government owned.

RL.

Mr Enternational
06-12-19, 10:27
Stay off of any Indonesian airlines. I watched a Aljazeera report today on how bad the Indonesian government is and how corrupt the department heads are for following up on any maintenance complaints. The Air Asia that crashed in the Java sea had a faulty rudder system that was reported a number of times and never repaired. Not only that the flight was not authorized to fly on the day it flew. They just let it go. Some one got paid, I'm sure.But it is also on the pilots not to accept an aircraft they think to be unsafe. If a faulty rudder system was reported then it would have been in the log book, so the pilots would have known what they were getting into.

Sunlover2
06-12-19, 18:17
Stay off of any Indonesian airlines.There are plenty of airlines I will not fly. There are plenty of countries I will not transit. It does somewhat limit my options to and from Thailand, but IMO you got to stick with your convictions.

SL.

Crocodilexp
06-12-19, 19:58
Stay off of any Indonesian airlines.

That's just silly. Airlines in any country outside of sub-Saharan Africa are a few orders of magnitude safer than other modes of transport we routinely use (regular taxis, and don't even mention motorbikes), and life situations like crossing the street. Sure, an airline like Lion Air is statistically clearly less safe than Qantas or KLM, but in absolute terms, we're talking minuscule risks anyway.

If your tolerance of risk is so low that you'd avoid Air Asia or Lion Air due to unacceptably high risk, surely you're staying away from Bangkok taxis too, and cars in general? Not to mention dangerous activities like BBBJ or DATY?

CzarNicholas
06-12-19, 20:49
Stay off of any Indonesian airlines. I watched a Aljazeera report today on how bad the Indonesian government is and how corrupt the department heads are for following up on any maintenance complaints. The Air Asia that crashed in the Java sea had a faulty rudder system that was reported a number of times and never repaired. Not only that the flight was not authorized to fly on the day it flew. They just let it go. Some one got paid, I'm sure.

I know Air Asia is Malay but sama sama. They are just not that well educated to do the right thing. If you have ever used AA then you know how they beat the shit out of those planes. Turn arounds are fast and never a stoppage to repair.

Also many times I've flown AA and the exit doors have no one in the high priced seats. If there is an emergency who will open those doors? AA charges High prices because of the extra leg room, but ignores the fact that the seats are empty. Who allows that?

The only Indo carrier allowed into the USA is Garuda, which is government owned.

RL.I almost always research these things beforehand and I didn't with air Asia.

I just flew dmk to mnl and return.

Seems like a very shabby operation from flying with them.

I like to look for cheaper fares.

But sometimes (espec not always with hookers) you get what you pay for.

I just flew British airways round trip USA to Moscow.

I don't like anything about London, but I think they may have the best airline on the planet.

Rob Jones
06-13-19, 00:17
Stay off of any Indonesian airlines. I watched a Aljazeera report today on how bad the Indonesian government is and how corrupt the department heads are for following up on any maintenance complaints. The Air Asia that crashed in the Java sea had a faulty rudder system that was reported a number of times and never repaired. Not only that the flight was not authorized to fly on the day it flew. They just let it go. Some one got paid, I'm sure.

I know Air Asia is Malay but sama sama. They are just not that well educated to do the right thing. If you have ever used AA then you know how they beat the shit out of those planes. Turn arounds are fast and never a stoppage to repair.

Also many times I've flown AA and the exit doors have no one in the high priced seats. If there is an emergency who will open those doors? AA charges High prices because of the extra leg room, but ignores the fact that the seats are empty. Who allows that?

The only Indo carrier allowed into the USA is Garuda, which is government owned.

RL.Garuda is the only Indonesian airline I will travel with. For the sake of a few dollars I wouldn't risk my life or my loved ones flying with Lion, Meripati, Wings etc. They have a terrible track record with safety and regularly have incidents.

Banana Boi
06-13-19, 00:45
I fly Air Asia all the time. Is it because of the cheaper price? It's not always a lot cheaper if you add in your checked baggage. The reason I fly is because over half the time I get 3 seats to myself including recent flights to Japan and Korea. People aren't willing to pay 300 or 400 baht for the Hot Seats so they are left empty. I think that's a fantastic deal to be able to sit in the comfort of 3 seats. Just make sure you keep an eye on how full the flight is. If you see your flight getting full change to another date. On a full flight they start loading up the Hot Seats with people who only pay regular fare.

Chacal60
06-13-19, 02:40
Same here. And the exit row hot seats add room and are often unoccupied. The flight attendants in their tight red outfits are pretty hot as well.


I fly Air Asia all the time. Is it because of the cheaper price? It's not always a lot cheaper if you add in your checked baggage. The reason I fly is because over half the time I get 3 seats to myself including recent flights to Japan and Korea. People aren't willing to pay 300 or 400 baht for the Hot Seats so they are left empty. I think that's a fantastic deal to be able to sit in the comfort of 3 seats. Just make sure you keep an eye on how full the flight is. If you see your flight getting full change to another date. On a full flight they start loading up the Hot Seats with people who only pay regular fare.

Robert Long
06-13-19, 03:26
That's just silly. Airlines in any country outside of sub-Saharan Africa are a few orders of magnitude safer than other modes of transport we routinely use (regular taxis, and don't even mention motorbikes), and life situations like crossing the street. Sure, an airline like Lion Air is statistically clearly less safe than Qantas or KLM, but in absolute terms, we're talking minuscule risks anyway.

If your tolerance of risk is so low that you'd avoid Air Asia or Lion Air due to unacceptably high risk, surely you're staying away from Bangkok taxis too, and cars in general? Not to mention dangerous activities like BBBJ or DATY?By.

I am only sharing information that was presented on Aljazeria, if you have an issue with it, please google the documentary and see for yourself. I fly AA because there is usually no other or like the new Vietjet the seats are sold out because the tour groups buy them all because they are so cheap.

I had a customer many years ago that leased old planes to Indonesia. Planes that should be in moffballs, but there was a demand because they are so cheap. He said he would never fly in these. I remember flying Barac Air from Surabaya to Banjarmasin, that was an adventure. The plane shook and was so loud that you had to plug your ears.

You know you have a real problem with responding to posts. You do not need to criticize a person every time you respond. Suggesting I avoid Lion or AA was not mentioned by me, also why get on a rant about what I choose as for transportation? Many comments on this post and only you decide to make curt remarks. Chill out my friend, were all here to share.

RL.

Robert Long
06-13-19, 03:31
I fly Air Asia all the time. Is it because of the cheaper price? It's not always a lot cheaper if you add in your checked baggage. The reason I fly is because over half the time I get 3 seats to myself including recent flights to Japan and Korea. People aren't willing to pay 300 or 400 baht for the Hot Seats so they are left empty. I think that's a fantastic deal to be able to sit in the comfort of 3 seats. Just make sure you keep an eye on how full the flight is. If you see your flight getting full change to another date. On a full flight they start loading up the Hot Seats with people who only pay regular fare.I only use the Hot seats if I'm going to Bali or a long flight. If just in Tland why pay the extra? It ain't cheap, and extra $45.00 and the food is very bad. I use only carry on for short flights. Watch the Aljazeria documentary and you will be surprised at the information.

RL.

Syzygies
06-13-19, 03:33
I fly Air Asia all the time. Is it because of the cheaper price? It's not always a lot cheaper if you add in your checked baggage. The reason I fly is because over half the time I get 3 seats to myself including recent flights to Japan and Korea. Was suggested to me, by someone who works at the airport in a flight safety role, a genius scientist type (I could tell we was in the super smart category), that Air Asia should be your last choice. He pointed out that all the Air Asia flights in the world are not actually one company, rather it is a franchise type arrangement to use the common name. In his view the safety standards off some of the franchise members were below standard. I don't know what he knows, I just know he is brilliant and probably knows what he is talking about. He has an impeccable safety record with "his" flights obviously some other airline. I have not really looked into the Airline's safety record myself, since have only used them about once before to Djakarta.

I suppose this link is relevant:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2908531/Ranking-world-s-dangerous-airlines-includes-troubled-AirAsia-Malaysia-Airlines-scores-highly-safety.html

A quote from that page "Indonesia's AirAsia Flight QZ8501 crashed into the Java Sea on December 28, killing all 162 people on board".

This would indicate that maybe only certain Air Asias rate low for safety, not all. So we can't blame the generic name in total.

Malaysian airlines is not on the low safety list, despite losing two planes in recent news.
I once flew KL to BKK on Malaysian. Would not do it again. Leg room was extremely low intended for midgets. I asked for Veg meal, and unfortunately was very dry curried potato (horrible) when I was expecting East Asian type food. That was bad luck. Was a long time ago, but never used them again. Not as bad as Ryan Air though (not relevant in this part of the world). I rate them as my worst experience ever, by a large margin.

I am not that keen to take airlines with lots of add ONS to the initial price, since I have a lot of luggage typically well over the norm, and often unsure if I will away a long time or short time. For this reason, I take an all inclusive type of airline usually. For others with little luggage, it will be different. Plus there is the issue of my frequent flyer points group.

Choice is difficult. Combination of price, convenience, flying frequently enough, right time of day, seats available, and safety, Freq Flyer, etc.

Robert Long
06-13-19, 03:48
Your link does not work properly. However the point is valid. Suppose you have been in for 60 days already. Next time stay another 30 days and attempt to extend, to 60 days. That might be refused due to the 90 days total rule.

I would be surprised if I never violated the 90 days per 6 months rule in the past, not being aware of it, and coming and going often. However would have to check my travel history.

If have clocked up 80 days so far, and come in again, not sure if will give you 30 days or just 10 days before having to leave.

The moral is simple. If you want to stay in Thailand for serious amounts of time, you best be thinking Visas. 6 months multi-entry Visa is a good option (and actually provides a max of 6 months plus 90 days if last entry is close to end of the 6 month).The stamp that immigration puts in your passport is in essence a visa stamp. How can you enter Tland without a visa? And how do they know how many days you have been in country? Did I miss something in reading? So many confusing statements made on this issue. Thank you.

RL.

Syzygies
06-13-19, 04:41
The stamp that immigration puts in your passport is in essence a visa stamp. How can you enter Tland without a visa? And how do they know how many days you have been in country? Did I miss something in reading? So many confusing statements made on this issue. Thank you.

RL.I re read my post. It does not read confusingly to me, although mentioned complex scenarios. However I know what I was trying to say. I define a Visa as when you make an application to stay in Thailand before arrival, and they place the Visa in your passport (a fancy page with numbers and dates and emblems and possibly your image for UK and USA). When I arrive with no Visa and get a 30 days stay automatically for free, others may call that Visa on Arrival, but since we filled out no forms, I did not regard that as a Visa.

I am guessing you were not referring to secretly crossing borders undetected, even your questions could have suggested that.

The Thai Consulate in my country is saying that people should expect only two free entries to Thailand per year (Visa exempt), new unwritten rule gradually coming in, and after that apply for Visas before entry (costing money). I am aware that some are getting away with more entries per year for free. It is not guaranteed. I have been questioned by official at BKK airport about 3 years back about my high entries per year, perhaps 7, and suggesting I had better apply for a Visa before entry next time.

I do not apply for the official "Thailand Visa on Arrival". That is for certain nationalities, not mine.

Many of us get a "Visa Exemption" or "Visa Waiver" to stay for 30 days. It is not officially called a Visa as far as I know. The passport merely gets an entry stamp, and they write what date we have to leave.

We can then pay 1900 at Chaeng Wattana or provincial office, to get a 30 day extension of stay. This time it requires forms to be filled in. It still is not really a Visa, but a bigger extension of stay stamp.

If I extend my stay, from 60 days (per entry) to 90 days, on my 6 months multi entry Visa, the extension is not a new VISA.

If you have a real VISA, it is a fancy thing glued to your passport and takes a full page typically. I got one for a very short Laos stay recently. That would be "Visa on Arrival".

Sorry if my English is poor and too complex at times. It happens. If you have a specific question I can try to answer that better, if have the experience. The rules are very complex and not really spelled out anywhere precisely. People always end up with additional questions not covered by the FAQ. e.g. there is a border crossing crack down, but I don't think it really applies to those having already got a proper Visa. Border crossings (on the land) are still being done really regularly by guys here long term. Was hard to find that information anywhere, on a web site. Crack downs apply more to people trying to stay long term in total without Visas, on the cheap.

Guido88
06-13-19, 06:59
I almost always research these things beforehand and I didn't with air Asia.

I just flew dmk to mnl and return.

Seems like a very shabby operation from flying with them.

I like to look for cheaper fares.

But sometimes (espec not always with hookers) you get what you pay for.

I just flew British airways round trip USA to Moscow.

I don't like anything about London, but I think they may have the best airline on the planet.Czar.

Beg to differ British Airlines is a horrible airline. Both their 1st class and business class are crappy products. Frequent breakdowns and staff that absolutely does not give a shit plus there are the fuel surcharges.

Really hate to see someone recommend BA. I have flown 6 Soviet airlines that do a better job.

Fly some of the Asian airlines, UAE or other European airlines and you will never look back at BA.

Best.

Guido88.

Mogwai
06-13-19, 10:05
The stamp that immigration puts in your passport is in essence a visa stamp. How can you enter Tland without a visa?.



When I arrive with no Visa and get a 30 days stay automatically for free, others may call that Visa on Arrival, but since we filled out no forms, I did not regard that as a Visa.
Actually the stamp for a 30 day free stay is a visa exemption. So it's not a visa nor a visa on arrival.

Smoothy
06-13-19, 10:26
I just flew British airways round trip USA to Moscow.

I don't like anything about London, but I think they may have the best airline on the planet.I think British Airways is pretty crappy.

The best flight USA to Moscow used to be Singapore Airlines, and it was dirt cheap. Unfortunately, they stopped having that flight due to it being almost empty every time. I loved it because I could sleep across 4 economy class seats. Singapore Airlines is the best airline on the planet. It's normally expensive, but that one leg was cheap due to lack of Russian interest it seemed. I think it wins best airline in the world almost every year. And deservedly so.

Franciscass
06-13-19, 12:53
Actually the stamp for a 30 day free stay is a visa exemption. So it's not a visa nor a visa on arrival.The term "visa exempt" can be confusing as it suggests the word does not apply to the stamp on your passport when not required to apply for a visa outside a country or upon arriving in the country I. E. The so called visa on arrival. However I bow to the superior authority on all such matters.

Cambridge dictionary: Visa. An official mark usually made in a passport that allows you to enter or leave a particular country.

Ergo Any stamp on your passport allowing you to enter is therefore a visa.

Franciscass
06-13-19, 14:36
When I arrive with no Visa and get a 30 days stay automatically for free, others may call that Visa on Arrival, but since we filled out no forms, I did not regard that as a Visa. Actually S. You do as do all non Thai's fill out a form which shows your name, passport no. Age nationality where you are staying among other questions I. E. The TM 6. You may want to argue whether the TM 6 is a form or not but what else is it if not a form.

This is checked and used as the basis of your passport stamp allowing you to enter the country.

Also Visa on Arrival is a totally different process from both Embassy provided visa's and entry for citizen's from visa exempt countries. Its a similar process to applying at an embassy but it happens on arrival and is restricted to a limited number of countries.

The distinction of what is a visa is largely a matter of semantics but as I mentioned in another post I refer to the bible I. E. Cambridge Dictionary.

CzarNicholas
06-13-19, 20:17
Czar.

Beg to differ British Airlines is a horrible airline. Both their 1st class and business class are crappy products. Frequent breakdowns and staff that absolutely does not give a shit plus there are the fuel surcharges.

Really hate to see someone recommend BA. I have flown 6 Soviet airlines that do a better job.

Fly some of the Asian airlines, UAE or other European airlines and you will never look back at BA.

Best.

Guido88.It was an awesome experience from start to finish, I must say I haven't flown those airlines you post but have heard very good things about them.

I must say BA was best compared to what I have flown over the last 51 yrs LOL.

I guess I need to get out more LOL.

They were super super nice from check in, in the USA to landing in the USA several mos later.

Awesome people, awesome service, awesome airline.

I'm just not accustomed to that!

I will say the British passengers are huge assholes but I can't hold that against the airline LOL.

Rob Jones
06-13-19, 23:26
Actually the stamp for a 30 day free stay is a visa exemption. So it's not a visa nor a visa on arrival.The correct terminology here in Australia is free Visa exemption, but a lot of people call it VOA, myself included, because you do not have to apply before travel.

Pointy Stick
06-14-19, 13:06
I flew BA from Sydney to Singapore and it was decent. I usually fly Airasia or Scoot so I have a high tolerance for hardship so things which make ordinary people go into a rage on full service airlines do not even register with me. Also flew Singapore which completely ruined me.


It was an awesome experience from start to finish, I must say I haven't flown those airlines you post but have heard very good things about them.

I must say BA was best compared to what I have flown over the last 51 yrs LOL.

I guess I need to get out more LOL.

They were super super nice from check in, in the USA to landing in the USA several mos later.

Awesome people, awesome service, awesome airline.

I'm just not accustomed to that!

I will say the British passengers are huge assholes but I can't hold that against the airline LOL.

Banana Boi
06-14-19, 19:53
Also flew Singapore which completely ruined me.What did Singapore Airlines do to ruin you? One of the most respected airlines AFAIK.

My favorite airline is Lufthansa. For an Asian airline Cathay is the best although EVA is generally much cheaper and offers great flexibility in date changes and free seat selection. However, Taipei airport is one of the most boring in the world so even a 2 or 3 hour layover can be torturous.

Crocodilexp
06-14-19, 19:57
The stamp that immigration puts in your passport is in essence a visa stamp.No, it is not, the entry stamp they put is a permission to stay. Different thing altogether.

Visas are issued by consulates / embassies abroad, with the exception of visa-on-arrival that a few nationalities (like the Indians or Chinese) can get at the airport and need to pay for. Visas are usually stickers, though sometimes a big stamp (half page) is used.

Visa is basically a document allowing you to attempt to enter a country, while an entry stamp (or an extension issued at immigration) is an is the actual permission to stay for a specified period.

Immigration can refuse you entry even if you have a valid visa (uncommon, but happens), or let you in without a visa (as they do for most Western citizens, for 30 days).

MichaelSamuel
06-14-19, 21:42
This is priceless. US airlines are so bad that even Soviet airlines are better. US airports are mostly awful too. First time I landed at O'Hara after leaving from BKK to HKG I felt like I couldn't touch anything without bathing in hand sanitizer. A GF from China is coming to visit this summer and I can't wait to hear her reactions to US transit systems and the poor girl is flying United.


It was an awesome experience from start to finish, I must say I haven't flown those airlines you post but have heard very good things about them.

I must say BA was best compared to what I have flown over the last 51 yrs LOL.

I guess I need to get out more LOL.

They were super super nice from check in, in the USA to landing in the USA several mos later.

Awesome people, awesome service, awesome airline.

I'm just not accustomed to that!

I will say the British passengers are huge assholes but I can't hold that against the airline LOL.

CzarNicholas
06-14-19, 22:04
This is priceless. US airlines are so bad that even Soviet airlines are better. US airports are mostly awful too. First time I landed at O'Hara after leaving from BKK to HKG I felt like I couldn't touch anything without bathing in hand sanitizer. A GF from China is coming to visit this summer and I can't wait to hear her reactions to US transit systems and the poor girl is flying United.In the USA transit unions are very very strong, wages are very very high.

That keeps profit margins very low.

Many foreign airlines can offer superior products because their overhead espec labor costs are miniscule (I'm guessing insurance is dirt cheap as well LOL) and dirt cheap airport fees and taxes.

Public transit is shitty because pro business politicians don't want to fund it (altho the unions are strong and wages are very high in major cities).

They prefer you use the pvt sector for any needs (include travel).

Most USA airports suck.

Because anti tax politicians don't want to pay billions for non stop upgrades, nor do the airlines.

Because they don't want to pay for something they don't even own.

Most of the rich don't use airport terminals they fly on pvt jets or the terminals would be much nicer!!

Lax is a garbage airport.

So this is their solution.

https://theprivatesuite.com/the-experience/

Stykler
06-15-19, 00:20
Also flew Singapore which completely ruined me.


What did Singapore Airlines do to ruin you? One of the most respected airlines AFAIK.BB. I think you might have missed the humor in Pointy Stick's response.

Sydien
06-15-19, 06:20
I'm spending 11 days in Thailand and wondering how I should break it up between Bangkok and Pattaya. From what I've read here Pattaya is a little cheaper, less crowded but the woman aren't as attractive. Does anyone have advice on how many days I should spend where?

Mogwai
06-15-19, 09:10
For an Asian airline Cathay is the best although EVA is generally much cheaper and offers great flexibility in date changes and free seat selection. Unfortunately EVA is now charging a fee if you want to select a seat more than 48 hours before departure. Within 48 hours it's still possible to select a standard seat for free.

https://www.evaair.com/en-us/booking-and-travel-planning/fare-family/introduction-of-fare-family/#seat (click on 'Charges')

Syzygies
06-15-19, 09:14
What did Singapore Airlines do to ruin you? One of the most respected airlines AFAIK.

My favorite airline is Lufthansa. For an Asian airline Cathay is the best although EVA is generally much cheaper and offers great flexibility in date changes and free seat selection. However, Taipei airport is one of the most boring in the world so even a 2 or 3 hour layover can be torturous.Lufthansa is not my favourite, although the airline itself and the staff are not the problem. It's the passengers that are the problem.

It is very hard to get a seat getting up towards Christmas, when you need to change flight dates. So I prefer to be on Thai Inter. Lufthansa flights get a bit too full, for my liking. Plus older German passengers have little regard for others. They don't care if they are over weight and encroaching seriously into my seat space. They always lean very heavily on the back of my seat, causing "earthquakes", they don't care if crash into you while walking down the isle. Americans maybe loud, but are far more polite. Generalising, but many Germans act like they are kings of the world, and do as they please. Personal liberties. Just if they had a bit more consideration for others, but they are not really brought up that way. I think the younger generation are better.

Still they are probably low of the scale of passengers who stink (under arm BO), so some blessings. Being seated next to a stinky is the worst luck you can have I guess, or having drinks spilt on you by passengers standing with drinks.

My two really big hates are babies screaming or young children jumping around uncontrolled by parents, and if get unlucky to be close to a really stinky passenger. The airline with the worst staff maybe British Airways. Bad attitude. E. g. I asked for a tomato juice. They served it dark brown, with loads of Worchestershire sauce added and not sure what else. I simply said sorry but I ordered a plain tomato juice. They refused to give me a new one. That was just one thing. I was entering a plane doing something with mobile. The stewardess said I can't do that. Fine. She then started with a great lecture holding up those entering the aircraft. I said simply I know very well, I have turned it off, I don't need a lecture. She then started about she could have me thrown off the airline.

At one time I liked sitting behind a door for extra leg room, but this brings its own problem, If you have extra leg room, other passengers will start to insist on standing in your leg space, and naturally crash into you preventing sleep possibilities. If seated behind a bulkhead, many passengers will try to cross to the other side over your legs. Very irritating.

My conclusion. There are lots of thoughtless passengers on flights and certain nationalities are worse than others, generalising.

Robert Long
06-16-19, 01:43
Lufthansa is not my favourite, although the airline itself and the staff are not the problem. It's the passengers that are the problem.

It is very hard to get a seat getting up towards Christmas, when you need to change flight dates. So I prefer to be on Thai Inter. Lufthansa flights get a bit too full, for my liking. Plus older German passengers have little regard for others. They don't care if they are over weight and encroaching seriously into my seat space. They always lean very heavily on the back of my seat, causing "earthquakes", they don't care if crash into you while walking down the isle. Americans maybe loud, but are far more polite. Generalising, but many Germans act like they are kings of the world, and do as they please. Personal liberties. Just if they had a bit more consideration for others, but they are not really brought up that way. I think the younger generation are better.

Still they are probably low of the scale of passengers who stink (under arm BO), so some blessings. Being seated next to a stinky is the worst luck you can have I guess, or having drinks spilt on you by passengers standing with drinks.

My two really big hates are babies screaming or young children jumping around uncontrolled by parents, and if get unlucky to be close to a really stinky passenger. The airline with the worst staff maybe British Airways. Bad attitude. E. g. I asked for a tomato juice. They served it dark brown, with loads of Worchestershire sauce added and not sure what else. I simply said sorry but I ordered a plain tomato juice. They refused to give me a new one. That was just one thing. I was entering a plane doing something with mobile. The stewardess said I can't do that. Fine. She then started with a great lecture holding up those entering the aircraft. I said simply I know very well, I have turned it off, I don't need a lecture. She then started about she could have me thrown off the airline.

At one time I liked sitting behind a door for extra leg room, but this brings its own problem, If you have extra leg room, other passengers will start to insist on standing in your leg space, and naturally crash into you preventing sleep possibilities. If seated behind a bulkhead, many passengers will try to cross to the other side over your legs. Very irritating.

My conclusion. There are lots of thoughtless passengers on flights and certain nationalities are worse than others, generalising.You forgot to mention the large guy that sits next to you and snores loudly. Even with headphones on it is very disturbing. I gave up on economy seating, it's all business class now. At my age I'm not putting up with all the bullshit in economy. Premier econ is a little better but the seats are to small, not long enough to get real comfortable.

And above all never book a flight on the mainland Chinese carriers, it will be the worst experience ever. The Chinese are new to travel and they are young with children that cry constantly. China Airlines is ok, Taiwan owned so more sophisticated, as is EVA.

If your spending 18-23 hours getting to BKK, give yourself the pleasure of business class, you will arrive rested, well fed and get the fast pass thru immigration. A little more money but your on your way to the big Asian money pit.

RL.

Syzygies
06-16-19, 05:35
You forgot to mention the large guy that sits next to you and snores loudly. Even with headphones on it is very disturbing. I gave up on economy seating, it's all business class now. At my age I'm not putting up with all the bullshit in economy. Premier econ is a little better but the seats are to small, not long enough to get real comfortable.
I had a not so fat German guy right next to me in Business class. I wanted to sleep. He kept ringing the bell for service, loud ding again and again, order another drink, noisy packets of nuts or crisps or whatever. Eventually after all those drinks he fell asleep, and then the snoring started. Was hopeless for me to sleep.

Snoring is bad but not one of the top most frequent big problems. You can try to stuff your ears with noise blocker (but only semi effective). Noise cancellers don't work for snoring I think. Wrong frequencies.

I eventually decided it is better to fly mainly in daytime so does not matter if did not get a good sleep. Hardly ever skip a fuck on first day / night in Thailand. I generally don't do extra long haul. 12 hour max flights for me these days. London to BKK is about my worst.

Smoothy
06-16-19, 06:07
My favorite airline is Lufthansa. For an Asian airline Cathay is the best although EVA is generally much cheaper and offers great flexibility in date changes and free seat selection.Lufthansa? Haha. I haven't flown it in about 10 years, so maybe it has improved, but I have flown it about 10 times and I think that's one of the worst airlines Internationally. They have the smallest distance between economy class seats of any airline I have flown on International routes. I'm short, and my knees touch the seat in front of me on that airline. That's crazy. I can handle it for shorter flights like Jakarta to Bangkok, but I flew Lufthansa from Frankfurt to Buenos Aires once, 16 hour flight. I had the window seat and the guy seated next to me in the middle seat was around 6 foot 6. His knees had to be spread into both my seat area and the seat area of the guy in the aisle due to lack of space. Miserable flight, miserable airline. They did used to have the cheapest flight from Jakarta to Bangkok for only $200 usd roundtrip about 15 years ago so I would take that flight once in a while, but had it not been far cheaper than the other airlines I would not have taken it. I equate Lufthansa with the US carriers. Crap. When I fly business class on it, it's fine, but business class is fine on almost any airline other than Egypt Air or Air India.

Cathay is about equivalent to Singapore airlines (although Singapore Airlines has hotter stewardesses and is a bit better overall in my opinion, also I like the Singapore airport better than Hong Kong). Eva is good and a favorite of mine since it is cheap as well as good. The bread rolls on Eva are the best on any airline, not that that matters much. I like ANA too, but I don't like the Japanese food they serve. Korean air is also not bad. It does seem I prefer the Asian airlines, but Qatar Air, Emirates, and Etihad are all quite good as well.

All of the US carriers are crap as far as service, leg room, and amenities. I also don't like many of the European airlines. I avoid pretty much all of them including Lufthansa, KLM, British Airways and Air France. The best I have flown out of the European airlines was Swiss air. There are some good airlines in Australia, but the stewardesses are rarely ever attractive. All of the African carriers are crap. Even South African Airways is nothing special. Kenya airways is supposedly one the best in Africa other than South African Airways, but they always lose my luggage. I hear good things about Ethiopian Air, but I have never flown it. I haven't found a South American carrier that I would say is great, but there are some decent ones. When I'm down there, I just pretty much roll the dice and fly whatever has the best flight times.

Of course, all of us probably have a different opinion on the airlines based on personal experiences.

BKKguru
06-16-19, 06:18
Unfortunately EVA is now charging a fee if you want to select a seat more than 48 hours before departure. Within 48 hours it's still possible to select a standard seat for free.

https://www.evaair.com/en-us/booking-and-travel-planning/fare-family/introduction-of-fare-family/#seat (click on 'Charges')Just like baggage fees, this is fast becoming standard practice.

Lufthansa charges a fee for advance seat assignment (Economy Class only).
There is NO fee if you select the seat 23 hours before departure.

For airlines, this is another revenue opportunity, although much less than the Baggage fee lottery.

BKKguru

D Cups
06-16-19, 15:02
My two really big hates are babies screaming or young children jumping around uncontrolled by parents, and if get unlucky to be close to a really stinky passenger.Ya, babies you almost have to put up with but screaming kids who are uncontrolled by their stupid parents no excuse for. On my last flight cross country to Atlanta on Delta the broad next to me was so fat her blubber actually pinned me against the side of the airplane for five hours. She was ugly, too, and had no tits. It was all blubber. Airlines should force obese passengers to pay for two seats or upgrade to first class. Sheesh.

MakeItOrBreak
06-16-19, 16:57
I'm spending 11 days in Thailand and wondering how I should break it up between Bangkok and Pattaya. From what I've read here Pattaya is a little cheaper, less crowded but the woman aren't as attractive. Does anyone have advice on how many days I should spend where?I am fairly inexperienced for both but I would personally opt to spend more time in Pattaya since it is easier layout for you to get the hang of in such a short time. If you have read up on Bangkok and prepared I think both works.

I been to Pattaya off season and saw plenty of pretty ladies so that shouldn't be a worry. Hopefully someone with more experience in both locations can provide more guidance.

Wimble
06-16-19, 20:31
Singapore Airlines is really hard to beat. I love their lounge in Singapore. But I can't always use them. Though I was fortunate enough to use some of the ladies.

I actually like Eva the few times I have flown them. Their prices are great the ladies are not too bad. Years ago, when I tried them, I hooked up with 2 of the ladies. They were unattached so they were able to show me around town.

Rob Jones
06-16-19, 23:28
Just like baggage fees, this is fast becoming standard practice.

Lufthansa charges a fee for advance seat assignment (Economy Class only).
There is NO fee if you select the seat 23 hours before departure.

For airlines, this is another revenue opportunity, although much less than the Baggage fee lottery.

~BKKguruExperienced this with Qatar and KLM recently while travelling with my family. I have no problem if I don't get to sit next to the wife or friends when flying but both airlines where separating kids from their parents. We managed to get my wife and daughter seated next to each other but I witnessed other families, on different flight's, not being so lucky. I asked the guys at Qatar, who were the hardest to convince that young girls shouldn't be seated away from their parents on an overnight flight, do I tell them or contact the police upon landing if my daughter was molested in any way? When I said I would take a photo of the person seated beside her and ask to see their passport and explain what I would do if I felt that any discretions occurred did they make an effort to find a solution.

This practice has a lawsuit waiting to happen at the best outcome and a disaster at worst if a child is harmed.

PedroMorales
06-17-19, 08:01
Experienced this with Qatar and KLM recently while travelling with my family. I have no problem if I don't get to sit next to the wife or friends when flying but both airlines where separating kids from their parents. We managed to get my wife and daughter seated next to each other but I witnessed other families, on different flight's, not being so lucky. I asked the guys at Qatar, who were the hardest to convince that young girls shouldn't be seated away from their parents on an overnight flight, do I tell them or contact the police upon landing if my daughter was molested in any way? When I said I would take a photo of the person seated beside her and ask to see their passport and explain what I would do if I felt that any discretions occurred did they make an effort to find a solution.

This practice has a lawsuit waiting to happen at the best outcome and a disaster at worst if a child is harmed.I am bonking two airline hostesses on a P4P basis. Our pillow talk consists of stuff like the above. The airline sells you getting from A to be safely. All others are incidental they tell me. That includes seats. If there are children involved, most people would gladly change seats. I have done it several times and seen it done many times more. I have seen hostesses ask guys to change seats to facilitate others.

You, on the other hand, want to go all Rambo straight out of the traps. You sound like one of those guys who object to Arabs or others speaking Arabic on flights and definitely the type of guy who starts trouble and gives mongers a bad name.

If people wish to sit together, they can pay the premium to do that. I've had to sit beside grossly obese people who are so disgustingly fat one seat belt is not enough for them. I've been in punch ups on flights. All the airlinbe wants to do is move passengers from A to be and land in one piece. It is a crap job dealing with ass holes. It's only upside is I get good bonks at a cut price rate out of it.

Syzygies
06-17-19, 08:02
Just like baggage fees, this is fast becoming standard practice.

Lufthansa charges a fee for advance seat assignment (Economy Class only).
There is NO fee if you select the seat 23 hours before departure.

For airlines, this is another revenue opportunity, although much less than the Baggage fee lottery.

~BKKguruI have found once on entering an aircraft, that my seat assignment had been changed even after I had checked in without my permission, but maybe related to trying to seat families together. Sometimes a flight is changed to a different smaller aircraft too.

My company once booked me on KLM to USA as was supposedly cheaper. Unfortunately as I was a long time away from home, I had significantly more than the standard luggage allowance and maybe got charged 200 euros for extra luggage, making it not cheap at all. These days I prefer to book flights or hotels myself, or at least specify them, based on my special criteria which is not purely the price, but also flexibility to change, luggage allowance, etc.

For Hotels, proximity to work location and transport is very important. I hate wasting time travelling too much every day.

Smoothy
06-17-19, 13:54
My company once booked me on KLM to USA as was supposedly cheaper. Unfortunately as I was a long time away from home, I had significantly more than the standard luggage allowance and maybe got charged 200 euros for extra luggage, making it not cheap at all. Funny, that's the exact same reason I haven't flown KLM in 20 years. They charged me a bullshit 84 euros for a tiny carry on bag that I have never had to check with any other airline ever. I bring it with me everywhere even to this day. I told them at the time that if they wanted to do that, I would never fly KLM again. They didn't seem concerned, so I have not flown them again and hopefully never will.

Banana Boi
06-17-19, 15:37
I still fly KLM because there are the odd flights KLM has that are dirt cheap. One example is Kuala Lumpur to Jakarta in business class with lay flat seats for 3600 baht. Jakarta to KL is slightly more at 4000 baht. Includes 2 free check in and 1 carry on bag. Economy is 1215 baht but with only 1 check in bag and a carry on. Pretty impressive price for a 2+ hour flight.

If other airlines offer true business class at these rates please let me know.

Rob Jones
06-17-19, 23:36
I am bonking two airline hostesses on a P4P basis. Our pillow talk consists of stuff like the above. The airline sells you getting from A to be safely. All others are incidental they tell me. That includes seats. If there are children involved, most people would gladly change seats. I have done it several times and seen it done many times more. I have seen hostesses ask guys to change seats to facilitate others.

You, on the other hand, want to go all Rambo straight out of the traps. You sound like one of those guys who object to Arabs or others speaking Arabic on flights and definitely the type of guy who starts trouble and gives mongers a bad name.

If people wish to sit together, they can pay the premium to do that. I've had to sit beside grossly obese people who are so disgustingly fat one seat belt is not enough for them. I've been in punch ups on flights. All the airlinbe wants to do is move passengers from A to be and land in one piece. It is a crap job dealing with ass holes. It's only upside is I get good bonks at a cut price rate out of it.I do not see why you have to pay a premium to sit families together? If they increased the fares to incorporate grouped seating I wouldn't notice an increase of $20 in $5000 worth of fares.

As far as protecting my family I will go "Rambo". You do not know my family dynamic's and I will not explain them here so I do take offence that you are quick to judge me and imply that I have some reason to hate Arabs? I actually think Aussies, my nationality are noisier on planes and can't get my earphones on fast enough!

The other passengers did gladly change seats but I do not see that as their responsibility because the airline does have a duty of care and I am sure that extends to more then just taking off, flying properly and landing safely.

In regards to giving others a bad name I haven't had an experience of a mid air punch up so maybe I am not such a big ass hole as you imply.

If you decide to start your own family revisit this situation and tell me you would allow your child to sit next to a total stranger on an overnight flight with the airline telling you to suck it up.

PedroMorales
06-17-19, 23:51
I do not see why you have to pay a premium to sit families together? If they increased the fares to incorporate grouped seating I wouldn't notice an increase of $20 in $5000 worth of fares.

As far as protecting my family I will go "Rambo". You do not know my family dynamic's and I will not explain them here so I do take offence that you are quick to judge me and imply that I have some reason to hate Arabs? I actually think Aussies, my nationality are noisier on planes and can't get my earphones on fast enough!

The other passengers did gladly change seats but I do not see that as their responsibility because the airline does have a duty of care and I am sure that extends to more then just taking off, flying properly and landing safely.

In regards to giving others a bad name I haven't had an experience of a mid air punch up so maybe I am not such a big ass hole as you imply.

If you decide to start your own family revisit this situation and tell me you would allow your child to sit next to a total stranger on an overnight flight with the airline telling you to suck it up.Most airlines allow you to buy seats together for a premium. If your seats are not allocated together, too bad as you did not pay extra to get them together. Although children, the old or the infirm are reasons to sit together, people always try to bend the rules so the airline has to be rigid. Some crew are ruder than others. Most are fed up of a minority of passengers bending the rules in ways big or small. My last flight, crew were complaining out loud of the huge size of the carry on luggage of the usual parasitical suspects. The future of airlines is budget and pay for every and all extras. Penny pinchers are making the same complaint about them (paying extra to be seated together) as you are here.

I was assaulted on a plane. Luckily I had one of the crew as witness and got the scum bag arrested (pushed over and then had my face squeezed when passing him). I have changed my MO and fly less often as I find those with entitlement issues to be pains both in the airports and on the planes.

The only upside, as I say, is I get to bone a few crew. And wonder why they put up with all the BS of their horrible job.

BKKguru
06-18-19, 02:31
I have seen hostesses ask guys to change seats to facilitate others.
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If people wish to sit together, they can pay the premium to do that."If people wish to sit together, they can pay the premium to do that. ".

You are missing the point. Three years ago, there was NO fee to select a seat in Economy Class.
It does NOT cost the Airline any extra Dollars to assign seats in advance. This is a ploy to grab more Dollars from the Economy Class passenger.

To be clear, I am only talking about full fare airlines, not Budget Airlines like Air Asia, Ryan Air etc.

As you point out, this does put an additional burden on the Cabin staff.
This excludes United Airlines, where Economy Class Passengers have the same status as garbage.

BKKguru

Mr Enternational
06-18-19, 02:55
Maybe this had something to do with it.

Member #4698
06-18-19, 03:32
Some interesting conversations on flying, but I can't recall when I flew on any airline without a preassigned seat and I would be damn pissed off if my fully paid seating was altered at the last minute by the airlines. On intercontinental routes I fly mostly Star Alliance: United, Swiss Air, Thai Air, ANA, etc or Sky Team: Delta, Air France, Korean Air, and China Eastern. In Asia I fly Air Asia, Thai Air, Singapore Air, Cebu Pacific, Philippine Air ect, but again all with preassigned seating and under most circumstances except an emergency, I would not fly any other way. I like the aisle (more leg room) and up front as much as possible for faster entry and exiting. On the intercontinental flights I pay up for more leg room. One time a pretty passenger asked me to change seats so she could sit with her boyfriend. Her seat was a middle seat several rows behind my seat. I politely told her why I wouldn't trade. I also don't like sitting next to babies. Most, not all make a racket at some point in the flight. But what I really don't like is sitting anywhere near someone who is sick and coughing. Wow that pisses me off more than just about anything. Hey take some medicine and cover your face, you ass hole.

But more important than all these pet peeves is the fact that flying used to be fun back in the day and it is a god damn pain in the ass now and the fault is mostly with the airlines. They are ass sucking bastards and they don't give a shit about their passengers comfort or repeat business. They only care about maximizing profit on every flight so they design the planes like cattle cars sticking as many passengers on a plane as possible and they construct tight scheduling algorithms to minimize empty seats on every flight. They have it down to a science. And they are always devising new ways to charge their customers ie squeeze more profit per ticket.

I will say this, however, that there is still a palpable difference between the Western Nation Airlines and the Asian Airlines. The Asian National Airlines are better. My preferred way to fly to BKK from Florida, USA is the Euro route because it is a couple of hours shorter duration that the trans Pacific route and because the plane lands in BKK in the morning instead of 9:30 or later in the evening with the Pacific flights. So, I often fly on a United Airlines ticket: Swiss Air MIA to Zurich and then Thai Air to BKK. The difference between flying Swiss Air or any Western country airline and flying Thai Air is amazing. The Thai stewardess are nice and actually try to make passengers comfortable. What a novel approach. 555. On my last trip I flew the Trans Pacific route free with miles on a Delta ticket. Delta was Delta per usual no surprise, but China Eastern Airlines which I flew from BKK to Shanghai on the 1st leg of my return flight was surprisingly nice. Will wonders never cease. But leaving BKK at 2 AM really sucks. Another reason why I don't like the trans Pacific route.

But when I am in Asia I fly all the local Asian carriers, again always with preassigned seating. So as for BKK arrivals and departures, I hate Swampy. Who doesn't? Their immigration lines are outrageous. To make visitors wait in line, sometimes up to an hour just to get their passports stamped so they can enter Thailand and spend money in the local economy is an insult. Compare it to Singapore or even Jakarta immigration. It is unbelievable. I realize I can buy fast track Thai entry. I might do that next trip although I have noticed on numerous entries that the lines are not that bad on the Thai Airlines arrivals from Europe. Anyway, to avoid the long immigration lines I tend to fly Air Asia in and out of DMk a lot for short flights to neighboring Asian countries. Much less hassle at DMK although when you fly that way you are stuck with mostly Air Asia. LOL. You can't win! They won't let you win. 555.

So this is my aviation blues. I hate flying. It used to be fun. It used to be adventurous. Shit, I remember before 9/11 I used to bring weed on board planes and smoke in the plane's bathroom. Hell, I remember when smoking cigarettes was allowed on planes and planes were usually only 75% full. Back then I used to fly Miami to Ams lying down, fully stretched out sleeping in my own entire 4 seat middle row. Those were the days. I would then lay over in AMS for a couple of nights, get stoned in the coffee shops and wander around the red-light district. And then fly off to BKK arriving on a half full plane in the morning BKK time. Nowadays, I don't care what WESTERN airlines you are flying with, it's flying by cattle car. But we put up with it because we don't have much choice and because we know that when we arrive in SE Asia we are actually arriving in the land of milk and honey. But I wonder what the profit margin would be if an Airline began flying a certain number of intercontinental flights charging more money for their tickets obviously, but designing the plane throughout with decent size seats and reasonable space between seats. Would the consumers support such an offering or is the public hooked on so called minimal pricing. I don't know, but it might be an interesting experiment for one Airline to try. Who knows? It might be profitable and then it could catch on.

Syzygies
06-18-19, 05:10
But what I really don't like is sitting anywhere near someone who is sick and coughing. Wow that pisses me off more than just about anything. Hey take some medicine and cover your face, you ass hole.

But more important than all these pet peeves is the fact that flying used to be fun back in the day and it is a god damn pain in the ass now and the fault is mostly with the airlines. I remember very fondly a flight with Singapore air with two stunning hostesses, and also one very pleasant with North West Airlines, the great hostess helps a lot.

I almost always have caught a virus after a flight of 9 hours plus. I expect it every time. I recover much quicker in Thailand than elsewhere, probably due to humidity and heat. Maybe diet helps. Kissing Thai hookers seems a lot less dangerous than long flights for catching viruses.

Beware the Air Asia may have a bad safety record for Indonesian and Malaysian Franchises. Just a warning from my aviation safety engineer buddy.

Smoothy
06-18-19, 05:30
Maybe this had something to do with it.The carry on KLM had me check (and pay 84 euros) that one flight is the same size as the smallest bag on the right of this photo. I almost left it. The bag and it's contents was hardly even worth 84 euros. They did that because the first leg of the flight was from London to Amsterdam and the plane they used for that flight was a tiny little puddle jumper propeller plane with hardly any room. But when I was on the flight, there was plenty of room for that bag in the overhead. It cost 84 euros because I had to pay for it to be sent all the way to Indonesia. I felt it was absurd to have to check that bag.

CzarNicholas
06-18-19, 05:41
I remember very fondly a flight with Singapore air with two stunning hostesses, and also one very pleasant with North West Airlines, the great hostess helps a lot.

I almost always have caught a virus after a flight of 9 hours plus. I expect it every time. I recover much quicker in Thailand than elsewhere, probably due to humidity and heat. Maybe diet helps. Kissing Thai hookers seems a lot less dangerous than long flights for catching viruses.

Beware the Air Asia may have a bad safety record for Indonesian and Malaysian Franchises. Just a warning from my aviation safety engineer buddy.Flying from Bangkok to Manila.

A few minutes before landing the attendant starts spraying some very very strong chemical spray into the vents whilst walking past.

I am not easily bothered by these things, but I was choking uncontrollably as were others, I asked wtf are you doing?

She apologized and said it was health dept protocol? It was my guess they were aware of a very very ill passenger) it was very very strong, well before I even arrived to my hotel in manila I was getting very very ill and I didn't get out of bed for a couple of days.

I am not an infectious disease specialist, is anyone aware of any preventive measures that can prevent this? I was very ill, if not for the fact I was in manila.

And the admonition from mr tooms about medical "doctors" with crucifix wounds on their hands etc etc LOL I would have sought medical tx!

Post-script Thai hookers seems safe enough for me.

Its the ones in Mexico that get me really really ill.

Almost every visit!

Smoothy
06-18-19, 05:44
I have some reason to hate Arabs? I actually think Aussies, my nationality are noisier on planes and can't get my earphones on fast enough!I have found that some arabs have quite poor manners. Have you flown an arabic airline and sat on the aisle? I have had many bad experiences. Often, they stand up most of the flight right next to you with their butt in your face talking with their buddies seated across the aisle from you. That has happened to me multiple times. One time in business class on Qatar airways, I had the aisle and some Arabic guy stood next to me the entire flight talking to another Arabic guy seated next to me at the window (talking over me the entire time). I nicely asked the guy next to the window to change seats with me so he and his friend could talk, and he refused saying he liked the window seat.

Just recently, I flew Lion air to Bali. Some Arabic guys (obviously not upper class or very well educated from the way they acted) were on the flight. As we were getting on the flight, they actually pushed past people to get to their seats. They would not wait in the cue, they literally forced themselves past people to get to their seats. So odd. Then when the plane landed, they did the same thing. They got up and forced their way past everyone in the aisle to get off the plane.

I don't mind Aussies being loud. At least they stay out of my face and don't crowd my space. Indians do that shit too. I can be waiting in a cue and if there is an Indian guy behind me, he will be pushing right up against me. I can ask them to stop it, but they don't. So I let them go ahead of me and push into the person that was in front of me.

BKKguru
06-18-19, 05:54
But I wonder what the profit margin would be if an Airline began flying a certain number of intercontinental flights charging more money for their tickets obviously, but designing the plane throughout with decent size seats and reasonable space between seats. Would the consumers support such an offering or is the public hooked on so called minimal pricing. I don't know, but it might be an interesting experiment for one Airline to try. Who knows? It might be profitable and then it could catch on.Natty,

You got your wish. The new offering is here and it is catching on fast.

It is called "Premium Economy". More leg room, a better seat with your own two armrests and drinks served in real glassware.

Lufthansa launched Premium Economy in January 2015. According to its CEO, it has been a super hit. On Lufthansa, these seats sell out fast.
Cathay Airlines launched PE recently. United is a laggard, but they too sense the business potential and plan to launch in the near future.

On a 8+ hour flight, if you cannot fly Business Class, then Premium Economy is the way to go.
Your two suitcases will fly free. And yes, you can pick your seats in advance without paying $30 or $35 per seat assignment.

BKKguru

BKKguru
06-18-19, 06:15
I have found that some arabs have quite poor manners. Have you flown an arabic airline and sat on the aisle? I have had many bad experiences. Often, they stand up most of the flight right next to you with their butt in your face talking with their buddies seated across the aisle from you. That has happened to me multiple times. One time in business class on Qatar airways, I had the aisle and some Arabic guy stood next to me the entire flight talking to another Arabic guy seated next to me at the window (talking over me the entire time). I nicely asked the guy next to the window to change seats with me so he and his friend could talk, and he refused saying he liked the window seat.This is hilarious! Having flown on Qatar and Etihad, this has been my experience too. 100% true.

The Arabs do not discriminate. They will do (what you described) regardless of who is sitting in that Aisle seat: white, black, oriental, eskimo.

This how they behave. It is cultural.

However, in Business Class, there is no reason to put up with this.
I would have called the Cabin Staff and asked them to relocate me or the guy sitting in the window seat.

BKKguru

Dena0
06-18-19, 06:31
This is hilarious! Having flown on Qatar and Etihad, this has been my experience too. 100% true.

The Arabs do not discriminate. They will do (what you described) regardless of who is sitting in that Aisle seat: white, black, oriental, eskimo.
This how they behave. It is cultural.

However, in Business Class, there is no reason to put up with this.
I would have called the Cabin Staff and asked them to relocate me or the guy sitting in the window seat.

~BKKguruIf it is a super rich Arab that is affected, the less-than-super rich Arab will be as meek as a mouse. Now, that is cultural!

Dena0
06-18-19, 06:43
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This excludes United Airlines, where Economy Class Passengers have the same status as garbage.
~BKKguruSince garbage has preassigned location bins in their aircraft, it is entirely reasonable to infer that United treats Economy Class passengers worse than garbage.

Kerrstar
06-18-19, 12:09
I do not see why you have to pay a premium to sit families together? If they increased the fares to incorporate grouped seating I wouldn't notice an increase of $20 in $5000 worth of fares.

If you decide to start your own family revisit this situation and tell me you would allow your child to sit next to a total stranger on an overnight flight with the airline telling you to suck it up.I was flying with Singapore Airlines from Singapore to London one time with my wife and 5 year old daughter. They wanted to sit us all separately so I spat the dummy. Ended up with my wife and daugther together and me in the row behind. We were not happy.

Goatscrot
06-18-19, 12:14
I have found that some arabs have quite poor manners. Have you flown an arabic airline and sat on the aisle? I have had many bad experiences. Often, they stand up most of the flight right next to you with their butt in your face talking with their buddies seated across the aisle from you. That has happened to me multiple times. One time in business class on Qatar airways, I had the aisle and some Arabic guy stood next to me the entire flight talking to another Arabic guy seated next to me at the window (talking over me the entire time). I nicely asked the guy next to the window to change seats with me so he and his friend could talk, and he refused saying he liked the window seat.

Just recently, I flew Lion air to Bali. Some Arabic guys (obviously not upper class or very well educated from the way they acted) were on the flight. As we were getting on the flight, they actually pushed past people to get to their seats. They would not wait in the cue, they literally forced themselves past people to get to their seats. So odd. Then when the plane landed, they did the same thing. They got up and forced their way past everyone in the aisle to get off the plane.

I don't mind Aussies being loud. At least they stay out of my face and don't crowd my space. Indians do that shit too. I can be waiting in a cue and if there is an Indian guy behind me, he will be pushing right up against me. I can ask them to stop it, but they don't. So I let them go ahead of me and push into the person that was in front of me.I have no problem pushing back. Have had some of 'them try to cut in front of me on the mrt and bts platforms. I tell them there is a que and if they don't respond, I'll grab them. I've gotten in their grill in airports before as well.

FarangPunter
06-18-19, 17:02
Flying from Bangkok to Manila.

She apologized and said it was health dept protocol? It was my guess they were aware of a very very ill passenger) it was very very strong, well before I even arrived to my hotel in manila I was getting very very ill and I didn't get out of bed for a couple of days.

I am not an infectious disease specialist, is anyone aware of any preventive measures that can prevent this? I was very ill, if not for the fact I was in manila.You want to avoid having direct contact with the A/C on Airplane. It recycles the air on board. Your best beat would be to wear mask with a decent filter, wash your hands, and avoid touching the eyes throughout the flight.

Kajos
06-18-19, 17:43
That spray is disgusting, irritating, but the active ingredient is usually permthrin which is essentially non-toxic. http://www.travelstart.co.za/blog/airplane-cabin-spraying/ Don't know about the toxicity of the propellants etc in the spray can.

For preventative measures to avoid getting sick from a fellow passenger, probably best is a well-fitted N99-rated face mask. I like this one, comfortable, with ventilation valves so the insides doesn't get soggy and has a type of carbon fiber that specifically helps catch and kill bacteria and viruses https://cambridgemask.com/.

And wash your hands often with soap and water before, during, and after the flight. Especially after passing though immigration with those fingerprint readers that so many countries now use.


Flying from Bangkok to Manila.

A few minutes before landing the attendant starts spraying some very very strong chemical spray into the vents whilst walking past.

I am not easily bothered by these things, but I was choking uncontrollably as were others, I asked wtf are you doing?

She apologized and said it was health dept protocol? It was my guess they were aware of a very very ill passenger) it was very very strong, well before I even arrived to my hotel in manila I was getting very very ill and I didn't get out of bed for a couple of days.

I am not an infectious disease specialist, is anyone aware of any preventive measures that can prevent this? I was very ill, if not for the fact I was in manila.

And the admonition from mr tooms about medical "doctors" with crucifix wounds on their hands etc etc LOL I would have sought medical tx!

Post-script Thai hookers seems safe enough for me.

Its the ones in Mexico that get me really really ill.

Almost every visit!

Mr Enternational
06-18-19, 17:57
Flying from Bangkok to Manila.

A few minutes before landing the attendant starts spraying some very very strong chemical spray into the vents whilst walking past.

I am not easily bothered by these things, but I was choking uncontrollably as were others, I asked wtf are you doing?

She apologized and said it was health dept protocol? It was my guess they were aware of a very very ill passenger) it was very very strong, It is for insects. So those from one country do not fuck up shit in another country. Maybe strong is relative. The only kind that I have smelled has a lemon scent and I actually like it. It is supposed to be sprayed toward the floor, not overhead or into vents.

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/spray

https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2016-02-19/why-flight-attendants-walk-airplane-aisles-with-bug-spray/amp

Syzygies
06-19-19, 07:04
I don't mind Aussies being loud. At least they stay out of my face and don't crowd my space. Indians do that shit too. I can be waiting in a cue and if there is an Indian guy behind me, he will be pushing right up against me. I can ask them to stop it, but they don't. So I let them go ahead of me and push into the person that was in front of me.There are quite a number of cultures that will go in front of you and cut off your path. I noticed it in Germany a lot, and of course the Chinese in Hong Kong etc. Are worst in world, and Thais push in too (not liking to queue in an orderly manner) but a less. The worst thing is to be on a boat or bus with Chinese tour groups and have them pushing and shoving the whole time when could be quietly queuing, and I just turn around and push back the other way. They then have a shocked look on their faces, like they don't understand. Even being at a self serve food setup, e. G. Hotel Breakfast with Chinese is a trial. Their culture is just totally incompatible.

Thais consider Chinese (from China not American Chinese) and Viets to be very ill mannered. Manners matters more in Thailand for sure. Thais abhor the hoiking and spitting and nose blowing accepted in other cultures. However nose picking in public is accepted.

In the sports pub, in general conversations, the Americans are louder than the Aussies in my perception, but the Aussies go bananas (loud) when cheering their sports team, which can be like a lightning strike when they yell. The English have easily the most foul language (that I can understand) from mid to lower classes with the "c*nt" word coming out a lot, so I wish they could keep their foul language to a much lower volume. It's embarrassing for other farangs. In general I find americans to be polite but loud. Being on a long train journey with a loud American woman talking non stop and in southern drawl was quite an annoyance for those wanting to nap.

Out in an Isaan province, all the locals speak in a very loud excited manner for general conversation, than I am not used to, and quite unlike Bangkok. Any quieter and you know it must be something secretive or furtive. In old days I did experience very loud southern Thais when drinking and partying too, so not just Issan people.

Working in Italy, I find them very loud and over excited too. Germans quiet. Scandinavians the best in the world in all aspects of manners I think.

One work colleague was Australian, and spoke so softly in a noisy environment, I could rarely hear him. Another Brit always spoke very fast with low mouth movement (like a ventriloquist) similar to Indians but with lower pitch and English accent. Probably more like Irish who speak with a closed mouth a lot. He was very hard to understand at times, and non native English speakers had little hope. Americans are easier to understand, if they stay away from slang, Ghetto vocab, and not deep south, as tend to speak slower and higher volume levels.

I think we all get irritated by behaviour well outside what we are used to in our own cultures. I like my personal space, which groups of Indians seem to stuff up in Billboard bar. They party too much in your face or nearly on your lap. Don't notice any other ethnic group annoying me as much. I can't be near groups that stink (whatever the origin or ethnic group), so could not queue at the money exchange with Arabs and could not be in a lift with them. So that rules out Soi 3 and Soi 5 Hotels quickly, any of the low odd Sois through to Soi 9 most likely.

I don't have a problem with those that are exceptions to the stereo type. I have Chinese, Japanese, English and Indian buddies, no problem. These would all be somewhat non typical for the group.

Smoothy
06-19-19, 07:22
Being on a long train journey with a loud American woman talking non stop and in southern drawl was quite an annoyance for those wanting to nap.This bus driver presents a possible solution to that situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQI2DEtu2I

CzarNicholas
06-19-19, 07:39
This bus driver presents a possible solution to that situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQI2DEtu2II remember when this happened.

I don't believe he was arrested and didn't get fired LOL.

Syzygies
06-19-19, 08:35
This bus driver presents a possible solution to that situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQI2DEtu2IThailand has a special ear dewaxing service in hair salons. I strongly advise all not to take it. I could not hear my very soft work colleague any better than before after ear cleaning service. However those speaking nearby loudly e. G. Holding a by phone meeting nearby my desk, became like thunder claps. I was way better off having my hearing dampened by ear wax. Dampening helps in gogo bars too. Dampens mainly loud stuff and little effect on quiet sound. Earplugs have a very useful function.

I do value peace and quiet, not just in public libraries. Discos not fun for me. Too loud and many Thai discos have very poor quality sound and a very irritating DJ as well. Can't stand listening to 30 seconds of a good song, and them find it being blended into the next one. We were lucky to get some good song in the first place. Surely we could have nearly all of it, barring long introductions.

Once I bought ticket at Morchit bus station at Chinese new year in a pushing and shoving crowd. Fortunately I am tall enough to be still getting air when the shorties could be suffocated. After getting ticket, I barged my way out of the throng, and found that a puny Thai guy was being dragged along with me (without him having got to ticket counter yet), his arm was caught tangled in my backpack straps (no clue why his arm was there), so he got pulled long with me. A funny incident for me, but not for him. One would not think was possible but true. He probably weighed 55 Kg at most and me close to 90, so he could not stop my progress out of the crowd, and I did not notice the extra drag at first. Thought it was just the crush.

In stores we always find Thais trying to get served before their place in the queue and the serving staff accept it easily. Very normal. Even in Germany I notice staff prefer to serve the locals first, out of turn, at some places. So who gets there first wins philosophy does not always apply. Don't see thoroughly polite in turn systems much. At least at the Red Cross blood testing, and Immigration, we get queue numbers assigned. Think of the chaos without that.

With advancing age, we are less and less able to tolerate all the shit going on, without getting irritated. Remote quiet life maybe best.

I ask girls what their favourite foreign nationalities are. I guess I don't know the girls that like the Japs and Koreans that much. Most say they like Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, Danes (if they happen to have met any), but Europeans are less preferred overall. Maybe seen as more arrogant, selfish, stingy, impolite, black-hearted, or whatever.

Smoothy
06-19-19, 10:35
I ask girls what their favourite foreign nationalities are. I guess I don't know the girls that like the Japs and Koreans that much. Most say they like Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, Danes (if they happen to have met any), but Europeans are less preferred overall. Maybe seen as more arrogant, selfish, stingy, impolite, black-hearted, or whatever.But all of those guys can't hold a candle in their eyes to what they perceive as the best in the world. Thai people.

No comments on the uppercut video? I have always said never hit a woman, but I had no sympathy for that woman getting a hard uppercut from that bus driver after she was loud, obnoxious, rude, then spit on the driver. Unfortunately, there are quite a few black women just like that one in the USA. I avoid them like the plague.

Bouvis
06-19-19, 14:46
Out in an Isaan province, all the locals speak in a very loud excited manner for general conversation, than I am not used to, and quite unlike Bangkok. Any quieter and you know it must be something secretive or furtive.They sound like a bunching of squawking crows to me.

Possibly the worst I have heard.

Syzygies
06-24-19, 15:06
Back in 1991, I used to drink a lot of coffee (same as now), white coffee (with milk) but no sugar, back home. Milk makes a coffee very slightly sweet due to lactose.

Coming to Thailand, was a shock. They did not have Starbucks or the equivalent. There was a chain called black canyon, but a coffee is only as good as the ingredients, the machine, and skills of the staff. In short I tried, but was horrible.

I don't think Thailand heard of Arabica coffee. A lot of Robusta coffee tasting like brewed iron filings. There may have been non-dairy whiteners (from corn syrup or whatever. Never heard of in my country) around but getting real milk was a big problem. So I would be somewhere, maybe a soapy of caf and order a coffee with milk, no sugar. It came back and was disgustingly sweet. "I said no sugar". They would answer that they did not add sugar. So how come was so sweet? It was the can of milk. "I wanted real fresh milk". The answer always, yes "Nom sot (fresh milk) in the can" Ha ha. Not many here may realise than condensed milk cans here are not the same as in Farang countries. They contain at least 80% sugar and less than 10% dairy products. So "condensed milk" in Thailand is hardly milk at all, and mostly syrup. Completely useless stuff, and possibly would be illegal to label condensed milk in some countries.

Even today, non-sweetened iced coffee does not really exist in Thailand, but is possible for them to make it if the sales person is smart. I have occasionally managed to get it with no sugar, increased milk and greatly reduced ice.

Even today, on some Thai domestic airlines, they do not have any real milk, only coffee whitener powder (not made from milk). I don't drink sugar filled drinks, not even so called "fruit juices" (sugary), so actually can't really drink anything on some airlines other than water. Half the time their food snack served is not really decent enough to consider eating either. Thais are being served up a hell of a lot of junky stuff (sugary, starchy or factory processed), out on the street, whether it is a bowl of noodles, bbqed fish balls on sticks (whose knows what they are made from), Sweet Thai desserts, corn on the COB, pancakes with syrup, etc. Nothing available in the whole Soi I could consider eating tonight. The main food cart "to order" has Mondays off, it seems.

Thais really do eat a lot of rubbish and I suppose the farangs do too.

One day I was at a Mango shake stall. I said, hold the sugar syrup, hold the ice, don't add anything, don't need to put it in a plastic cup, don't wiz it, and don't add anything. I just wanted the sliced mango. One serving person refused, but the other was willing for the right price. Ha ha

Newbies may need to learn that if you order a sandwich in Thailand, they will always toast it unless you say otherwise. I thought a sandwich and toast were different things. LOL. Even a coffee scroll with icing on it, they will try to warm it up unless you say otherwise. A lot of culture shocks to over come. They would then serve the coffee scroll on a plate with a knife and fork, and maybe give you sachets of mayo and ketchup. All things in a coffee shop may be eaten with mayo or ketchup. I am always careful to specific no mayo on all sandwiches, Pizzas, burgers, salad, etc. whatever. Thailand is Mayo and Ketchup crazy. You could be served some salad swimming in a lake of Mayo. yes it happened to me at the Grand Business Inn in Soi 11, and I don't like mayo at all.

I have found the odd place where I can buy ground Arabica beans at a reasonable price (not easy) to make my own coffee in the hotel room with a funnel and filter papers and jug to boil water. So in the end I can manage some cheap reasonably drinkable coffee. Back in 1991, I did not have it solved at all, and even now arrive in Thailand with a lot of coffee in the suitcase from OS.

Fortunately fucking in Thailand works somewhat like in other countries, just we get a much longer session with the girl for the same price. In 1991 we got the whole night with a girl for what now maybe pays for a quick BJ only, even does not quite pay for that.

Goatscrot
06-24-19, 15:47
Back in 1991, I used to drink a lot of coffee (same as now), white coffee (with milk) but no sugar, back home. Milk makes a coffee very slightly sweet due to lactose.

Coming to Thailand, was a shock. They did not have Starbucks or the equivalent. There was a chain called black canyon, but a coffee is only as good as the ingredients, the machine, and skills of the staff. In short I tried, but was horrible.

I don't think Thailand heard of Arabica coffee. A lot of Robusta coffee tasting like brewed iron filings. There may have been non-dairy whiteners (from corn syrup or whatever. Never heard of in my country) around but getting real milk was a big problem. So I would be somewhere, maybe a soapy of caf and order a coffee with milk, no sugar. It came back and was disgustingly sweet. "I said no sugar". They would answer that they did not add sugar. So how come was so sweet? It was the can of milk. "I wanted real fresh milk". The answer always, yes "Nom sot (fresh milk) in the can" Ha ha. Not many here may realise than condensed milk cans here are not the same as in Farang countries. They contain at least 80% sugar and less than 10% dairy products. So "condensed milk" in Thailand is hardly milk at all, and mostly syrup. Completely useless stuff, and possibly would be illegal to label condensed milk in some countries.

Even today, non-sweetened iced coffee does not really exist in Thailand, but is possible for them to make it if the sales person is smart. I have occasionally managed to get it with no sugar, increased milk and greatly reduced ice.

Even today, on some Thai domestic airlines, they do not have any real milk, only coffee whitener powder (not made from milk). I don't drink sugar filled drinks, not even so called "fruit juices" (sugary), so actually can't really drink anything on some airlines other than water. Half the time their food snack served is not really decent enough to consider eating either. Thais are being served up a hell of a lot of junky stuff (sugary, starchy or factory processed), out on the street, whether it is a bowl of noodles, bbqed fish balls on sticks (whose knows what they are made from), Sweet Thai desserts, corn on the COB, pancakes with syrup, etc. Nothing available in the whole Soi I could consider eating tonight. The main food cart "to order" has Mondays off, it seems.

Thais really do eat a lot of rubbish and I suppose the farangs do too.

One day I was at a Mango shake stall. I said, hold the sugar syrup, hold the ice, don't add anything, don't need to put it in a plastic cup, don't wiz it, and don't add anything. I just wanted the sliced mango. One serving person refused, but the other was willing for the right price. Ha ha

Newbies may need to learn that if you order a sandwich in Thailand, they will always toast it unless you say otherwise. I thought a sandwich and toast were different things. LOL. Even a coffee scroll with icing on it, they will try to warm it up unless you say otherwise. A lot of culture shocks to over come. They would then serve the coffee scroll on a plate with a knife and fork, and maybe give you sachets of mayo and ketchup. All things in a coffee shop may be eaten with mayo or ketchup. I am always careful to specific no mayo on all sandwiches, Pizzas, burgers, salad, etc. whatever. Thailand is Mayo and Ketchup crazy. You could be served some salad swimming in a lake of Mayo. yes it happened to me at the Grand Business Inn in Soi 11, and I don't like mayo at all.

I have found the odd place where I can buy ground Arabica beans at a reasonable price (not easy) to make my own coffee in the hotel room with a funnel and filter papers and jug to boil water. So in the end I can manage some cheap reasonably drinkable coffee. Back in 1991, I did not have it solved at all, and even now arrive in Thailand with a lot of coffee in the suitcase from OS.

Fortunately fucking in Thailand works somewhat like in other countries, just we get a much longer session with the girl for the same price. In 1991 we got the whole night with a girl for what now maybe pays for a quick BJ only, even does not quite pay for that.Bangkok is becoming an amazing city for coffee. Some excellent cafes in town now.

Robert Long
06-24-19, 21:41
But all of those guys can't hold a candle in their eyes to what they perceive as the best in the world. Thai people.

No comments on the uppercut video? I have always said never hit a woman, but I had no sympathy for that woman getting a hard uppercut from that bus driver after she was loud, obnoxious, rude, then spit on the driver. Unfortunately, there are quite a few black women just like that one in the USA. I avoid them like the plague.Last week in Bkk I made the big mistake of buying a Lady a bottle of Thai whiskey to bring to the room. She wanted to get wild and said that she could fuck me crazy with a little Thai Whiskey to help.

OMG, she went off the edge. Got crazy and started to tell me her life story, crying and sobbing about some crazy shit. Calling her son in Issan and crying with him. I tried to sleep but she was so loud and unruly that I had to get angry with her. By a few hours she was falling down drunk and loud at 2:00 am. Complaining about farangs and how she hated us and our money that ruined her life.

At 6:00 she finally left with out half her clothes, her purse and many of her items. She must have had her phone as she texted me later asking to come get her items and get paid? I replied that her items would be at security in a plastic bag. Payment denied.

Warning, never buy a lady a bottle of Thai whiskey to take to the room. A few drinks in the bar is enough.

RL.

Mr Enternational
06-24-19, 22:37
Warning, never buy a lady a bottle of Thai whiskey to take to the room. A few drinks in the bar is enough.But the bottle is only 200 baht, while the drinks in the bar are 200 baht each.

Member #4698
06-25-19, 00:11
Warning, never buy a lady a bottle of Thai whiskey to take to the room. A few drinks in the bar is enough.

RL.I think you had a crazy girl. Yes, the booze helped unleashed the craziness, but the majority of Thai girls are not like that. Maybe the tip off was when she said she would " fuck you crazy with a little Thai Whiskey to help. " I usually have a bottle of Tequila in my room and I will offer a shot or two to all my female guests, but nothing like what you experienced ever happens. Some girls and I get a little loose, that's all. And some girls don't want my high quality Anejo Tequila at all. They only want the rot gut in their bar, where they get a commission. Go figure. 555.

Syzygies
06-26-19, 06:27
And some girls don't want my high quality Anejo Tequila at all. They only want the rot gut in their bar, where they get a commission. Go figure. 555.Your proper Tequilla is not sweet and probably stronger than what they are used to. So no surprise they don't like it. They probably like sweet Yaa Dong with herbs.

I had a crazy monkey type girl from Dollhouse last night Aor. Actually have known her since a few years ago, so knew her behaviour was variable. I think too many beers yesterday. Next time I will take Fern with very hot ass and skinny body. Aor is too "crazy" for me and does not understand soft and slow.

Upstairs Dollhouse had some nude girls, but only one was doable (did not actually talk to her). Chatted to Phiaow know since several years ago in Suzie, but I don't really go for her and has sillies. Downstairs had mostly coyote types with BF 1 K up to 1 am and 700 after that. Aor is a coyote but available for fucking, if can handle her Monkey behaviour. Her pussy was too small / tight for me really (a small girl no baby). So wasn't easy. If she would have relaxed and be more still would have been easier.

Should have another visit from my regular Lao girl today. Skinny girl also but much easier to do, and far more passionate relaxed.

Syzygies
06-26-19, 09:50
Do any of these high surgeries girls look good? I am sure these looks can be found plentifully in bars like Bacarra.

Do some girls seem to be trying to look like Ladyboys?

The girl in dark red of 3 is a look very popular in bars like Bacarra that does absolutely nothing for me.
Seems that some find this pretty. Its not a "real Thai" look, for me. Too much altered.

Maybe the odd girl in these pics has no surgeries, and maybe also looks better? Which girl(s) is it?

One or two girls in these pics are acceptable looking to me. So I don't try to ridicule them all. Yet some girls pictured are appalling for me. Typically guys say that the ladyboys look better.

Banana Boi
06-26-19, 10:02
These are extreme surgery girls. They aren't what I like. Many look like ladyboys imo. The only one I like is the tall one in the blueish bikini photo 1. The one in the white alone in photo 2 isn't heavy surgery imo. I know you don't like round faces and chubby cheeks. I do. Don't go to Seoul. Girl in photo 2 are the girls I'm with daily in Seoul. They have chubby cheeks.

Syzygies
06-26-19, 10:02
What percentage of these bargirls look good? Maybe not so high if you are fussy like me.

In Billboard pic, 3rd girl from the left looks good to me, also tall front row dark blonde in the first pic, 4th from left.

Syzygies
06-26-19, 10:10
These are extreme surgery girls. They aren't what I like. Many look like ladyboys imo. The only one I like is the tall one in the blueish bikini photo 1. The one in the white alone in photo 2 isn't heavy surgery imo. I know you don't like round faces and chubby cheeks. I do. Don't go to Seoul. Girl in photo 2 are the girls I'm with daily in Seoul. They have chubby cheeks.Your tall one in photo 1 is acceptable to me. The girl in white has both nose job and tit job, but not close to the most ugly on here. I had to be fair and show some better ones.

Yes I don't like round faces and chubby cheeks, that is right.

Maybe most will give higher ratings for these surgeries girls, a bit better quality overall.

I find the 2nd girl with hat quite pretty, if only she did not have the nose job, she might be even stunning.Last girl looks good, 3rd girl looks rather plastic doll to me. The right hand girl at Mixx is probably all natural and looks fin to me.

Banana Boi
06-26-19, 10:12
Of the billboard girls definitely 3rd from the left and maybe 2nd from right with pink bikini. Photo 2 is a ladyboy. The girl you like in photo 1 is champoo (spelling? She's been around for years switching bars often. FTR none of them look good imo in that photo. Yes I'm picky.

Syzygies
06-26-19, 10:18
Of the billboard girls definitely 3rd from the left and maybe 2nd from right with pink bikini. Photo 2 is a ladyboy. The girl you like in photo 1 is champoo (spelling? She's been around for years switching bars often. FTR none of them look good imo in that photo. Yes I'm picky.Good one, I would say likely a LB too, but cannot be sure with some girls having so much surgeries.

I don't know any of the girls there, so it is hard to tell if I really like them in the pic. It is not very close up. The main point is lots of bar girls can look pretty ordinary.

"Champoo" should probably be "Chomphuu" or Chompoo, which is Thai word for pink colour and also for the name of a fruit .

P.S. If the girl has slim thighs and a stunning ass, that is a huge boost for me, but I still have to find the face above average.

RockRod
06-26-19, 12:36
I've been planning a trip to Thailand in August and trying to figure out how much each session will cost. I'm closing in on 40 and in great shape. I monger to be with hot girls that I wouldn't get in real life and I think it will take a gogo girl to get my attention and money. I've seen pics and vids of freelancers and beach road girls and they don't seem very attractive to me. Maybe I need to see them in person, idk.

From my research, for decent looking girls in clubs I'm looking at between 800-1000 bar fines plus 2000-25000ST. This comes out to around 90-120 us dollars. This doesn't include whatever drinks I end up buying. I like to take up 2-3 girls a day so this would add up.

I live in the western part of the you. S and this is the same rate I pay for Chinese and Taiwan girls that are here living in the states. I go down to Mexico often and pick up 8's and 9"s for $80 . I'm also looking at a $900 Plane ticket plus hotel costs. That right there cost the same as around 15 or so of my hot Latina Chicas.

So, for those that have been there, is this an accurate prediction of costs? Are the girls, atmosphere, city worth traveling too when I have such other options close to home? I naively thought when I was planning this trip I could take a girl for around $50 Advice, opinions appreciated.

Smoothy
06-26-19, 15:25
What percentage of these bargirls look good? Maybe not so high if you are fussy like me.

In Billboard pic, 3rd girl from the left looks good to me.Really? The hottest girl in the photo looks good to you? I think she looks good to everyone else as well.

Mr Enternational
06-26-19, 16:27
Do some girls seem to be trying to look like Ladyboys?I made a post stating that a few weeks back. This is a worldwide thing. Before transvestites were doing what they could to try to emulate women: fake hair, fake tits, fake nails, fake eyelashes, fake asses, etc. These days it is if the transvestites and transexuals have set the benchmark that women are trying to emulate. So the original is now trying to be like the copy.

EihTooms
06-26-19, 17:14
Really? The hottest girl in the photo looks good to you? I think she looks good to everyone else as well.LOL. So true. I think the vast majority of straight men asked to choose 2 girls in that photo who would land on their "She's my type, my taste in women, fits my spec" list would choose her in those two.

It isn't as though some of us don't have eyes and can't figure out who the best lookers are in any line up. We all can. It is easy to do that.

Where some of us must compromise off those generally obvious top level physical specs is on real world decisive factors such as; will she engage in DFK, be resonsive to DATY and provide either BBBJ+BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM with me this night for an acceptable amount of money or will it be No?

If it is Yes, guess what, I would arrive early and barfine that one out every week for at least a month. She's my type, my taste in women, my spec!

But if it is No to all of it (well, those last two items) with little or no possibility of her changing her mind, I wouldn't take her if the barfine was 100 baht, her fee was 500 baht for LT and she kept her schedule open for me to take her every night at 10pm.

That decision has nothing to do with whether or not I recognize she is still physically the hottest girl in the room. But so what. Sexually, she would be of no more use and value to me than a department store mannequin.

Smoothy
06-26-19, 19:21
Sexually, she would be of no more use and value to me than a department store mannequin.I saw a movie called Mannequin. The mannequin in that movie seemed to be a great fuck. I'm not sure if it included BBFS or CIM though since they didn't show specifics.

Rob Jones
06-26-19, 23:29
I've been planning a trip to Thailand in August and trying to figure out how much each session will cost. I'm closing in on 40 and in great shape. I monger to be with hot girls that I wouldn't get in real life and I think it will take a gogo girl to get my attention and money. I've seen pics and vids of freelancers and beach road girls and they don't seem very attractive to me. Maybe I need to see them in person, idk.

From my research, for decent looking girls in clubs I'm looking at between 800-1000 bar fines plus 2000-25000ST. This comes out to around 90-120 us dollars. This doesn't include whatever drinks I end up buying. I like to take up 2-3 girls a day so this would add up.

I live in the western part of the you. S and this is the same rate I pay for Chinese and Taiwan girls that are here living in the states. I go down to Mexico often and pick up 8's and 9"s for $80 . I'm also looking at a $900 Plane ticket plus hotel costs. That right there cost the same as around 15 or so of my hot Latina Chicas.

So, for those that have been there, is this an accurate prediction of costs? Are the girls, atmosphere, city worth traveling too when I have such other options close to home? I naively thought when I was planning this trip I could take a girl for around $50 Advice, opinions appreciated.Hi Rock.

If you are getting cute Asian ass at home for 3000 to 3500 TBH at "home" I wouldn't bother spending 12 hours on a plane and the extra money on hotels when you are getting what you need. I budget 11,000 TBH per day, not including airfares or hotels, and happily pay the price but I go to Thailand not just for the sex but as a get away with my friends for 8 days a year leaving work and family problems behind me. Tijuana may be a better option for you.

Rob.

Tommy Suharto
06-27-19, 01:03
Do any of these high surgeries girls look good? I am sure these looks can be found plentifully in bars like Bacarra.
Chinese. They look more Chinese? No?

I have read some 5 million Chinese visit Thailand each year these days.

Geez, I agree, some of the LB's look better.

Blanquiceleste
06-27-19, 01:13
I live in the western part of the you. S and this is the same rate I pay for Chinese and Taiwan girls that are here living in the states. I go down to Mexico often and pick up 8's and 9"s for $80 . I'm also looking at a $900 Plane ticket plus hotel costs. That right there cost the same as around 15 or so of my hot Latina Chicas.With all that action available back home at those prices, I would not bother going half way around the world.

Funny, that despite all this, punters still arrive in Thailand in droves. Must be some strange attraction to the air, water or poon.

Jokes aside, if you have never been to Thailand, make it here at least once. It's only money you will spend. Nothing in the world can compare to the experience you will get when you step off that plane.

RockRod
06-27-19, 02:36
Thanks Rob and Blanquiceleste both good points. I do live in a nice spot and have access to many hot girls, but its at hhr or HR at a time. Thailand offers LT rates, something I can't get here. I'm still deciding but I think I'm going to just spend a week in Tijuana and save 2 k-3 k. Thailand is still on my bucket list and I might be better off waiting until I can convince some friends to go with me and experience the culture, food and everything Thailand has to offer. Right now traveling solo I would just be going for sex, which as you pointed out, I have access too.

SexIsLove
06-27-19, 02:37
With all that action available back home at those prices, I would not bother going half way around the world.

Funny, that despite all this, punters still arrive in Thailand in droves. Must be some strange attraction to the air, water or poon.

Jokes aside, if you have never been to Thailand, make it here at least once. It's only money you will spend. Nothing in the world can compare to the experience you will get when you step off that plane.I would definitely keep doing both (as I'm currently doing) they are both super in their own ways. Variety is the spice of life. Price points, quality of chicks & service are about the same for FL vs FL, strip joints vs go gos, esteticas vs massage parlors etc. My go to is GDL in Mexico & BKK in LOS. The girls in both places vary in the same manner wrt to their attitude / looks / service levels besides the basic physical makeup of the Latin vs Thai look. There are some differences mostly in favor of BKK where it is relatively easy to get women especially for GFE experiences even on a first trip and any time of the day. In GDL it takes some experience and learning about the right places & contacts. Although I must admit that I had my best DFK / BBBJ / CIM (but covered FS) sessions a few months back in GDL with 19-20 year old hot Latina / Caucasian lookers at about 125 usd for 2 hours. Even then I'm currently now this side of the world (S. E. Asia) and plan to be in BKK soon for about a week or so. More fun overall for me than GDL.

Syzygies
06-27-19, 03:30
Really? The hottest girl in the photo looks good to you? I think she looks good to everyone else as well.Nope, surely taste varies and some guys would prefer some other girl. What is hot for you is not necessarily hot for me at all.

Syzygies
06-27-19, 03:43
From my research, for decent looking girls in clubs I'm looking at between 800-1000 bar fines plus 2000-25000ST. This comes out to around 90-120 us dollars. This doesn't include whatever drinks I end up buying. I like to take up 2-3 girls a day so this would add up.
Where are you planning to get this? Bangkok or Pattaya? You can't get any decent quality bargirls for 2 K in Bangkok any more. Many ask for 3 K these days. 2. 5 K maybe possible.

Read the forum. You will find that MP girls are cheaper than bargirls, and street walkers can be had for 1 K to 1300. So to achieve a good budget, you could do 1 massage girl, 1 street walker, and 1 bargirl per day. By taking a cheaper Hotel, and eating cheaply, that can help your budget a lot. Also depends how much alcohol you need to drink per day and where you will do it. Some of us don't need that too.

You really need to know how much you like Thai girls first. Plenty of Thai girl experience called for, before you come here.

There are day time bars but girl quality can be weak.

Syzygies
06-27-19, 04:04
LOL. So true. I think the vast majority of straight men asked to choose 2 girls in that photo who would land on their "She's my type, my taste in women, fits my spec" list would choose her in those two.
It is not clear to me what this was supposed to mean. You seem to mention choosing 2, but then focus on "her in those 2" confuses me at least. It's not quite a good English sentence. BB mentioned two girls in the photo. I would not have picked his 2nd girl. Appealed to him but not to me. His taste and mine are known to differ a lot, where Natty Bumpo has very similar taste to me. Maybe your "2 girls" does not relate to BB's post. I can't quite tell what you mean.

At least BB has the guts to give his preferences and indicate that the exaggerated surgeries aren't going to work for him either. Many guys would never state which girls they like for fear of criticism. Bars with supposedly great girls are actually full of exaggerated surgeries in my experience. Bacarra and Rainbow 5 were good examples. Guys may not notice until I show it in pictures. Most of us focus, in a bar, on the best 2 or 3 girls and try hard to ignore the rest of the uglies. Yet someone must be taking some of the ugly ones (maybe not).

It is known some guys need much whiter skin than I need too. Some guys love the big coconut shell sillies, where I don't.

One only has to look in the photo gallery here, to see lots of girls ugly to my taste. So I am well aware some guys are not fussy at all. Some guys are regulars of Tulip trying several girls there. Most of Tulip girls are not doable for me, and same for Snow White.

Smoothy liked Ice at Crazy House with the mega tats. I did not even consider her as a slight possibility, and that was not due to the tats. Piercings was one problem, but I just did not like the face nor the tits (originally sag bags but now implants). Many guys state that the face is not important for a fuck.

The girl I picked from the Billboard pic was borderline for me. The body was slightly on the straight side, not that curvy from waist to thigh. Face looked acceptable.

When I have been in Bacarra, I have seen a Japanese guy call over a girl that I considered the most ugly in the place (at least visible on stage at the time), equal to the worst surgeries girl in those pics I posted. Taste clearly varies.

However I have not seen girls uglier than the penguin suit with headscarf hookers on upper Soi 4. I will do cute brown skin girls, no problem.

EihTooms
06-27-19, 06:43
It is not clear to me what this was supposed to mean. You seem to mention choosing 2, but then focus on "her in those 2" confuses me at least. It's not quite a good English sentence. BB mentioned two girls in the photo. I would not have picked his 2nd girl. Appealed to him but not to me. His taste and mine are known to differ a lot, where Natty Bumpo has very similar taste to me. Maybe your "2 girls" does not relate to BB's post. I can't quite tell what you mean.

At least BB has the guts to give his preferences and indicate that the exaggerated surgeries aren't going to work for him either. Many guys would never state which girls they like for fear of criticism. Bars with supposedly great girls are actually full of exaggerated surgeries in my experience. Bacarra and Rainbow 5 were good examples. Guys may not notice until I show it in pictures. Most of us focus, in a bar, on the best 2 or 3 girls and try hard to ignore the rest of the uglies. Yet someone must be taking some of the ugly ones (maybe not).

It is known some guys need much whiter skin than I need too. Some guys love the big coconut shell sillies, where I don't.

One only has to look in the photo gallery here, to see lots of girls ugly to my taste. So I am well aware some guys are not fussy at all. Some guys are regulars of Tulip trying several girls there. Most of Tulip girls are not doable for me, and same for Snow White.

Smoothy liked Ice at Crazy House with the mega tats. I did not even consider her as a slight possibility, and that was not due to the tats. Piercings was one problem, but I just did not like the face nor the tits (originally sag bags but now implants). Many guys state that the face is not important for a fuck.

The girl I picked from the Billboard pic was borderline for me. The body was slightly on the straight side, not that curvy from waist to thigh. Face looked acceptable.

When I have been in Bacarra, I have seen a Japanese guy call over a girl that I considered the most ugly in the place (at least visible on stage at the time), equal to the worst surgeries girl in those pics I posted. Taste clearly varies.

However I have not seen girls uglier than the penguin suit with headscarf hookers on upper Soi 4. I will do cute brown skin girls, no problem.Ok, I will state it in other ways. If asked to choose 2 girls from that line up pic who they would like to fuck tonight, I believe most men would choose the girl you chose as the best of the bunch and another one. I suppose I now need to clarify that statement as well just in case; I don't mean choosing TWO girls for a threesome tonight. I mean choosing two girls from that line up in the pic, each of whom the men would prefer to fuck tonight more than the others. I could have said most guys would pick that girl above all the others. But I made it about choosing two in order to allow for at least some wiggle room for certain tastes.

Yes, tastes do vary. But not by nearly as much as you seem to think. If it were ONLY about choosing girls based on their looks, I believe that girl would be chosen first or second by almost every guy looking at the photo.

But where looks alone begin to lose their value, for some if not most of us, is when it comes up against the reality of what the girl will or won't do for the money.

If that line up existed in a world where it was well understood and accepted by all that every girl you take WILL provide hassle-free BBBJ+BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow, either one or both, up to the customer, I have no doubt that girl would be barfined out over the others this very minute and by whoever got to Billboard first or at least before you got there. lol.

Unfortunately, we don't live in such a world. Not in today's Thailand, that is. Therefore, our "tastes" in a girl's looks will more often than not have little to do with which girl we take from a bar. We must factor in what the girl will or won't do after we've supposedly impressed everyone in the bar by walking out with her and everyone in our hotel lobby when we arrive with her and actually found ourselves alone with her in the room.

Do you honestly believe the girls you see in the photo threads were that poster's first wish choice to take based on her looks alone? LOL. Of course not. At most, that was the "best looking" girl in the bar that night who would be amenable to performing the acts (if any) with that poster, fine with being photographed while doing it, and that the poster was ok with posting. For all you or anyone else knows, those posters have folders full of better looking (and uglier) girls who he has for whatever reason chosen not to post on a public Internet forum.

What the girl will or will not do in the room matters. Not just her appearance, how hot she looks on your arm walking out of a bar or into your hotel lobby. At least, to many of us that matters.

I wish we lived in a P4P world where it was a given that the girl we judge is the hottest girl in the bar is also the one who will do what we want her to do in the room for a reasonable amount of money. But we don't. Well, let me amend that a bit. IF we are fine with paying the girl's going rate to engage in nothing more than basic, standard fare of lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed, then you might as well shop for the hottest girl in the room and settle for nothing less. Enjoy. In Thailand, your decision can and should be only about the girl's looks.

But if you want something quite a bit more intimate and off the usual Thai P4P menu, you will need to make compromises. Consequently, we wind up with a lot of girls who might only rate a "7" to that girl's hypothetical "9" (by bargirl standards or even a particular bar's line up standards). And we don't wind up with them because we think they are the best looking in the room. But because they are the best looking who will agree to what we want to do with them in the room.

EihTooms
06-27-19, 07:10
I saw a movie called Mannequin. The mannequin in that movie seemed to be a great fuck. I'm not sure if it included BBFS or CIM though since they didn't show specifics.Haha. Yes, but didn't they have to sprinkle some magic pixie dust or wave a magic wand over the mannequin to turn her into a real female first? Sadly, when I have found myself in a room with some Thai bargirl "mannequins" far too spoiled by making plenty of easy money for NOT providing anything close to BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM, I all too often don't have enough money, good looks, bad looks, charm, intimidation, alcohol, game, pixie dust, an impressive enough magic wand or whatever it takes to turn them into anything of more sexual use and value to me than the plastic ones standing in Robinson's display window.

Smoothy
06-27-19, 07:18
Nope, surely taste varies and some guys would prefer some other girl. What is hot for you is not necessarily hot for me at all.I am willing to bet that over 90% will choose that same girl. So far, based on the comments here, it's 100%.

Syzygies
06-27-19, 08:45
Haha. Yes, but didn't they have to sprinkle some magic pixie dust or wave a magic wand over the mannequin to turn her into a real female first? Sadly, when I have found myself in a room with some Thai bargirl "mannequins" far too spoiled by making plenty of easy money for NOT providing anything close to BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM, I all too often don't have enough money, good looks, bad looks, charm, intimidation, alcohol, game, pixie dust, an impressive enough magic wand or whatever it takes to turn them into anything of more sexual use and value to me than the plastic ones standing in Robinson's display window.Great we have a new term to replace "stiff legs", and starfish, which is mannequins. Starfish is probably easier.

What percentage of bargirls, are so dumb, that they don't think that need a lot of repeat business? Yes I know some are overconfident in their beauty levels, they probably think they don't need repeat customers.

Am I wrong, and so few guys like to repeat girls, that it makes no difference if the girl performs great or not? I would like to blame all those guys that always move on to new girls, for causing all the bad performances out there. If he won't repeat regardless, where is the incentive to perform fabulously well.

I always repeat my best performing girls if I can, unless body turned out to be a disaster.

CzarNicholas
06-27-19, 09:02
What percentage of these bargirls look good? Maybe not so high if you are fussy like me.

In Billboard pic, 3rd girl from the left looks good to me, also tall front row dark blonde in the first pic, 4th from left.Tall thin dark blonde hair front row yes!

Other photo, the girl with pink bra, or even the short girl in the very center of the photo.

CzarNicholas
06-27-19, 09:24
It is not clear to me what this was supposed to mean. You seem to mention choosing 2, but then focus on "her in those 2" confuses me at least. It's not quite a good English sentence. BB mentioned two girls in the photo. I would not have picked his 2nd girl. Appealed to him but not to me. His taste and mine are known to differ a lot, where Natty Bumpo has very similar taste to me. Maybe your "2 girls" does not relate to BB's post. I can't quite tell what you mean.

At least BB has the guts to give his preferences and indicate that the exaggerated surgeries aren't going to work for him either. Many guys would never state which girls they like for fear of criticism. Bars with supposedly great girls are actually full of exaggerated surgeries in my experience. Bacarra and Rainbow 5 were good examples. Guys may not notice until I show it in pictures. Most of us focus, in a bar, on the best 2 or 3 girls and try hard to ignore the rest of the uglies. Yet someone must be taking some of the ugly ones (maybe not).

It is known some guys need much whiter skin than I need too. Some guys love the big coconut shell sillies, where I don't.My phone is getting repaired but I have some photos of them LOL.

They can be quite aggressive? The huge one really wants me LOL.

She won't let me pass without trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me, I would go past going to 7-11 many times a night.

I have resorted to going to the other 7-11 past Asia herb and walking on that side of the street instead and she will be on that side so I switch back LOL.

EihTooms
06-27-19, 10:45
Great we have a new term to replace "stiff legs", and starfish, which is mannequins. Starfish is probably easier.

What percentage of bargirls, are so dumb, that they don't think that need a lot of repeat business? Yes I know some are overconfident in their beauty levels, they probably think they don't need repeat customers.

Am I wrong, and so few guys like to repeat girls, that it makes no difference if the girl performs great or not? I would like to blame all those guys that always move on to new girls, for causing all the bad performances out there. If he won't repeat regardless, where is the incentive to perform fabulously well.

I always repeat my best performing girls if I can, unless body turned out to be a disaster.Yes, there might be a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" issue at play here. Do we move on to the next one because the girl is not great in bed? Or is she not great in bed because she knows we will move on anyway? I am siding with it being more that girls, let's say Thai girls for this discussion, are generally lousy in bed first, and then we move on.

Among my reasons for reaching that conclusion: Thai men were already moving on to the next one after 2-3 fucks before we got here and regardless whether it was for love or money. So to that extent it was already built into the culture. It is possible the whole Ladyboy sub-culture was encouraged by, a response to and supported by Thai men who were not getting what they wanted in bed from Thai women (talking about initiating sex, sex above and beyond the kind required to merely procreate, perhaps even demonstrable gestures of affection, not exactly their dick).

And at least one more thing. I have met Thai women who profess profound and deep love and sexual attraction to me. They begged me to tell them what it would take to be in the running to be a real girlfriend to me with the chance for more in the future. In other words, what can they do to inspire me to meet them for sex more often, on a regular or almost weekly basis without my soon growing bored with them.

I tell them just 3 things for starters. Other men have different, possibly even more challenging minimal sexual requirements in this regard. These are mine; Keep your pussy shaved or at least very closely cropped since I do enjoy DATY for women I like, be fine with fucking me bareback and when I want a blowjob, which might be as often as 1/3 of the times we meet for sex, that means BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. None of this insulting spitting it out nonsense is acceptable if you are serious about being considered a long term relationship girlfriend rather than a once every 2 months booty call.

Thai women are the only cultural/ethnic group that has found it nearly impossible to comply with those 3 requirements in order to live out the supposed undying eternal love they profess to have for me. And I am also talking about Thai women I met 30-40 years when I was a fresh, young dude. LOL.

Imo, that smacks of the kind of sexual laziness, sexual selfishness, whatever that almost demands a man just keep moving on from one to another in order to possibly improve the conditions.

To be sure, I have encountered a handful of Thai girls whose expressed love for me inspired them to comply to all 3 with enthusiasm. And I have indeed been seeing most of those girls quite regularly for 2 or more years. That is something I would never dream of doing with the 1 out of 3 or 2 out of 3 requirements girls.

BTW, if anyone is curious which of those 3 items is the most difficult for Thai girls "in love" with me to comply with you might be surprised by the answer. It turns out the most common deal killer of those three sex-related GF requirements for me is the one about keeping their pussy shaved or at least very closely cropped. The other two are a snap compared to that one!

Go figure.

CzarNicholas
06-27-19, 19:27
Great we have a new term to replace "stiff legs", and starfish, which is mannequins. Starfish is probably easier.

What percentage of bargirls, are so dumb, that they don't think that need a lot of repeat business? Yes I know some are overconfident in their beauty levels, they probably think they don't need repeat customers.

Am I wrong, and so few guys like to repeat girls, that it makes no difference if the girl performs great or not? I would like to blame all those guys that always move on to new girls, for causing all the bad performances out there. If he won't repeat regardless, where is the incentive to perform fabulously well.

I always repeat my best performing girls if I can, unless body turned out to be a disaster.I call them what they are imitating, rigor mortis!

The guy that doesn't repeat a superstar is a fucking fool.

CzarNicholas
06-27-19, 19:35
Yes, there might be a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" issue at play here. Do we move on to the next one because the girl is not great in bed? Or is she not great in bed because she knows we will move on anyway? I am siding with it being more that girls, let's say Thai girls for this discussion, are generally lousy in bed first, and then we move on.

Among my reasons for reaching that conclusion: Thai men were already moving on to the next one after 2-3 fucks before we got here and regardless whether it was for love or money. So to that extent it was already built into the culture. It is possible the whole Ladyboy sub-culture was encouraged by, a response to and supported by Thai men who were not getting what they wanted in bed from Thai women (talking about initiating sex, sex above and beyond the kind required to merely procreate, perhaps even demonstrable gestures of affection, not exactly their dick).

And at least one more thing. I have met Thai women who profess profound and deep love and sexual attraction to me. They begged me to tell them what it would take to be in the running to be a real girlfriend to me with the chance for more in the future. In other words, what can they do to inspire me to meet them for sex more often, on a regular or almost weekly basis without my soon growing bored with them..But ditching a Thai girl that meets all other requirements over some pussy hair seems a bit over the top "Crazy" 2 me! Buy a set of electric clippers for $5.

SteveNL
06-27-19, 19:54
A few minutes before landing the attendant starts spraying some very very strong chemical spray into the vents whilst walking past.It's quite normal to do this before landing in some countries. When I flew to Cub the attendant did the same (6 flights).

EihTooms
06-28-19, 03:44
But ditching a Thai girl that meets all other requirements over some pussy hair seems a bit over the top "Crazy" 2 me! Buy a set of electric clippers for $5.LOL. They don't neglect to do it for lack of clippers. They neglect to do it for either laziness, low attention span, lack of interest, all of the above and a half dozen other reasons. The vast majority of them are just not into taking whatever steps required to keep a man, no matter how simple it is, even if it is only THREE exceedingly uncomplicated and logical steps. The mind reels at the thought that some men are expecting Thai girls (modern Thai girls) to be so creative and proactive about sex as to get wild and "kinky", to engage in dirty talk, to come up with a whole slew of role playing and sex games. LOL.

Ask how often some of us have to instruct a Thai girl 10,000 times to simply for the love of god go slower with the blowjob instead of going rapid fire like a machine. And then we finally give up and move on. These girls have the attention span of a fruit fly. Remembering to shave your fucking pussy so the man whose pussy eating you apparently love more than life itself doesn't have to eat hairy pussy is way, way too much challenging work when there is a smartphone game to be played instead.

Aside from that, I don't dump them for being so damn lazy and selfish. I will still see them every month or two for a quick booty call. But they will never land on the potential girlfriend list, which is what THEY told me is so important to them and why they asked me what it would take to do that.

Syzygies
06-28-19, 10:20
LOL. They don't neglect to do it for lack of clippers. They neglect to do it for either laziness, low attention span, lack of interest, all of the above and a half dozen other reasons. Took my Soi 4 street girl yesterday. She had just shaved her pussy (bar landing strip above) and being very smooth, it made all the difference. Doubly enjoyed her pussy.

May tell her to shave any time is scratchy from now on.

My GF is a strange case with naturally very low amounts of pussy hair in the lower area. Very low on general body hair too (other than the head). Never has to shave legs, etc. So is fine with a trim of the above pussy hair. Does not need to shave pussy.

We probably all agree bald pussy is better unless we are Japanese. Can't understand why so much hair in Jap porn.



Ask how often some of us have to instruct a Thai girl 10,000 times to simply for the love of god go slower with the blowjob instead of going rapid fire like a machine. And then we finally give up and move on.
Ha ha. My pet hate. I mention doing it in slow motion, and demonstrate with my hand moving ultra slow, but they are like Monkeys for pace of movement and cannot comprehend. Cannot slow down. Sometimes I say just suck on it for a while with no movement at all, then start as slowly as possibly can to move.

I have to train a girl how to hold a dick too. So many want to grab close to the top and pull/stroke downwards. Being circumsized, that is just painful. For other guys, with hard on, skin is stretched already so should be similar I guess. I have to show them that if she must grab the dick at all, do it at the base and stroke upwards, not with friction but taking the skin along for the ride. So simple but they don't know.
I have to train girls with good sized tits, how to have the tits brush on the balls, while dong the BJ. I have to train girls how to very lightly tickle the balls without using fingernails. Some just cnnot brush lightly no matter we demonstrate on their skin.

To some up, many girls just do not have a brain that is capable to learn some new techniques. They stubbornly think they already know how to do it, when they are mostly clueless. I would rather skip a BBBJ than have a bad one.

Syzygies
06-28-19, 10:49
Guys. If you are here on a 30 day Visa Waiver, and wish to extend another 30 days before it expires, you can do it at Chaeng Wattana Immigration, however if you are visiting some other provinces, some have an Immigration office, where can probably be achieved much quicker. There are Maps of immigration offices on the internet. My last visit to Chaeng W was on a Tuesday, to avoid big queues, and took only 1 hour (slightly less) to get my extension stamp, after getting a queue ticket, however then had to wait a while to get a taxi to leave there. Time wasted to get there and back, is too much and traffic jams is common. Don't go to Chaeng Wattana on a Mon or Friday or either side of public holidays, if you want have less queueing time. Don't go early first thing, as queues are long at 8.30. 10.30 am to 11 is not a bad time. Always prepare in advance and check what days they might be closed.

Same applies for getting 30 day extension on a Visa.

For those with a Visa that requires 90 day reporting, it can now be done by mail, instead of physically going there.

For those with documents requiring legalisation stamp (verifying translations) there is a legalisation office in Khlong Toey MRT (underground station). Its separate from the Passport office also there. It is quick with short queues. No need for a trip to Chaeng Wattana main office for this purpose. I had document translated to Thai by a Translation shop near to the legalisation office but they made mistakes, showing lack of expertise. E. g. Memorandum was translated as "khwaam Jam" (which actual mean Memory, and not related to a memorandum at all). So best to get a highly recommended professional service (I don't know who they are unfortunately).

I did a by land border crossing. I don't really recommend land border Visa Runs, if you have no Visa. There is a limit to how many Visa Exemptions they are willing to give per year and is not very well defined. Also one may need to have 20 K Baht on person, evidence of ticket to leave Thailand, Hotel booking etc. My next border crossing, if I need one, may well be Mukdahan to Sawanakhet (Laos) since the two towns are each quite close to the border crossing for convenience. Yet to do a Visa run trip that went totally smoothly and was enjoyable. Had one night in Phnom Penh, but did not like it much, maybe due to lack of experience there. Was hard to find good food and good girls to my liking.

If applying for a Thai single entry Visa from a country just outside Thailand, it is very important to find out which country is best for speed to process your request, and not requiring lots of evidence. Flying back to Thailand on a 30 day Visa waiver is much easier, if have not used too many for the year already. Embassies tell us we get two freebie entries to Thailand per year (official line), but in practice more than that is possible. Just don't push it too far, and expect every official to be very nice. If you have loads of money, should not be a big problem. If they don't think you can support yourself adequately, then problems. I used to have 7 free entries per year, but questions were asked and they hinted that allowing that was being phased out, so now I do free entries per year maximum and try to apply for proper Visas to cover the rest.

Flyboy 2000
06-28-19, 11:57
I'm always on the lookout for pharmacies, chemist stores, drug stores or call 'them what you will, which readily sell prescription-only products over the counter without a prescription. I've found a good one in Hong Kong for the likes of Valium, stilnox, modafinil etc but would appreciate any leads on similar places in Bangkok, especially if they also sell selected steroids. PMs welcome if you'd rather not post details for everyone to see. And don't worry that I'm LE, click my profile for solid evidence of my punting over the years and contributions to ISG.

Syzygies
06-29-19, 02:40
There is a Pharmacy between Soi 5 and 7 and its called LB Pharmacy. No LBs found in there however. One of the few Pharmacies on Suk open late and selling Kamagra (250 Baht for 1 pack of 4, 1000 for 5 packs). They mentioned they have the gel version too.

Most places will sell certain medicines that maybe prescription in other countries, e. G. Allopurinol is easy to get. I think getting Valium or sleeping pills, is far harder, but I never tried in last 20 years. Hormones such as Testosterone are also difficult to get. Mine is normal anyway.

One Pharmacy offered me genuine Viagra for 1800 Baht ha ha, but no prescription. I would not trust it to be genuine genuine, but maybe it can be.

EihTooms
06-29-19, 02:56
Regarding girls who can't or won't give a slow BJ:


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Ha ha. My pet hate. I mention doing it in slow motion, and demonstrate with my hand moving ultra slow, but they are like Monkeys for pace of movement and cannot comprehend. Cannot slow down. Sometimes I say just suck on it for a while with no movement at all, then start as slowly as possibly can to move.

I have to train a girl how to hold a dick too. So many want to grab close to the top and pull/stroke downwards. Being circumsized, that is just painful. For other guys, with hard on, skin is stretched already so should be similar I guess. I have to show them that if she must grab the dick at all, do it at the base and stroke upwards, not with friction but taking the skin along for the ride. So simple but they don't know.
I have to train girls with good sized tits, how to have the tits brush on the balls, while dong the BJ. I have to train girls how to very lightly tickle the balls without using fingernails. Some just cnnot brush lightly no matter we demonstrate on their skin.

To some up, many girls just do not have a brain that is capable to learn some new techniques. They stubbornly think they already know how to do it, when they are mostly clueless. I would rather skip a BBBJ than have a bad one.It seems to me one of the reasons some girls go rapid fire too fast with the BJ and keep returning to doing it that way two strokes after I have just told them to go slower please is because they have learned through experience with other men that the faster they do it the sooner the man will cum. Means they don't have to work longer.

However, for me, it is the exact opposite. If she goes rapid fire fast, I will take forever, might not cum that way at all. By contrast, if she goes very slow and easy, barely working hard at all, I could easily be popping within 5 minutes.

It is very likely that she thinks I am trying to slow her down in order to prolong the BJ and keep her working at it longer rather than showing her how to go slower, work less hard and in doing so make me cum sooner. The girl might be stubbornly returning to the rapid fire action that made the last 5 guys cum very quickly on the mistaken assumption that the same action and tactic will work with me too.

I need to tell her why I am asking her to go slower; because her doing so will make me cum quicker, not because I am trying to make it last longer. Once that gets through to the girl, she is amazed how quick and easy it is to make me cum within a very few minutes. And it will feel 1000 times better for me to cum that way, too. I can count only 3 Thai girls who understood this principle (for me, at least) without having to be told over and over again. Only one of them worked in a BJ Bar.

I am with you on the ball tickling. And not just during a BJ but during fucking as well. However, in my case I actually prefer to feel very light tickling with the girl's fingernails. Not digging in certainly. And not scratching. Just very light feather strokes on the surface of the scrotum with the tip of their fingernails. That kind of very light contact with a girl's fingernails will "wake up" and get the attention of my balls much more effectively than when they use the spongy pads at the tip of their fingers.

Syzygies
06-29-19, 03:15
However, for me, it is the exact opposite. If she goes rapid fire fast, I will take forever, might not cum that way at all. By contrast, if she goes very slow and easy, barely working hard at all, I could easily be popping within 5 minutes.
+1 on that.


I am with you on the ball tickling. And not just during a BJ but during fucking as well. However, in my case I actually prefer to feel very light tickling with the girl's fingernails. Not digging in certainly. And not scratching. Just very light feather strokes on the surface of the scrotum with the tip of their fingernails. That kind of very light contact with a girl's fingernails will "wake up" and get the attention of my balls much more effectively than when they use the spongy pads at the tip of their fingers.Can't agree there as nails can be quite sharp and almost invariably the girl will forget herself and go too strong. I guess just depends on level of sensitivity in that spot. I like the feel of tits brushing on my balls too, and hopefully the tits do not have any nails. Fortunately, even when some of us were forced to wear condom, the balls are still available for uncovered touching, so helps a lot.

I am not into a finger up my ass, find it too distracting (rimming is okay For me), but will finger a girl's ass or rim if she likes it. Some do and some don't. I certainly experiment to try to find out what turns girls on most since they vary a lot, where Goat claims that most girls don't really try hard to find what we like. When the girl is on top, we better find out how she likes the movement during sex, as she gets control. Most like their nipples to be tickled while in cowgirl. Some like asshole to be touched.

I don't have any regular bargirls left at all now. I am finding using condoms to be more and more difficult, which is one reason. Looks like a switch to BBFS only is needed now, otherwise the enjoyment level is just not good enough to warrant the bargirl prices, and I need a certain size of pussy to be really good for me. Not loose and not overly tight. Essentially I have only 3 regular P4P girls left in total in Thailand. The decline continues. Fortunately these 3 are an exceptionally good fit for me.

One regular (a 4th) has suddenly switched to requiring a condom, from good BBFS, after a friend of hers caught something. So I am not sure that I have much use for her any more. You can't really move from a girl being special back to non special.

I had 3 regulars OS (non Thais), all covered, so will be interesting to see if I still enjoy them next time, or will have to find new uncovered girls, or maybe give up mongering completely.

Franga
06-29-19, 08:49
selling Kamagra (250 Baht for 1 pack of 4, 1000 for 5 packs).What a ripoff. I just bought 10 packs of Kamagra pills (4 pills per pack) for 800 baht total from a street vendor in Pattaya.

Mogwai
06-29-19, 09:29
What a ripoff. I just bought 10 packs of Kamagra pills (4 pills per pack) for 800 baht total from a street vendor in Pattaya.I don't know wether the price of the pharmacy is reasonable or not, in this particular case, but I do know that the overhead expense of the pharmacy is much higher than the overhead expense of the street vendor. So I wouldn't call it a clear ripoff right away.

Smoothy
06-29-19, 09:42
What a ripoff. I just bought 10 packs of Kamagra pills (4 pills per pack) for 800 baht total from a street vendor in Pattaya.80 baht per pack? That has to be fake. Sounds like you got ripped off.

Franga
06-29-19, 09:50
80 baht per pack? That has to be fake. Sounds like you got ripped off.No it is not fake, as I have used these vendors before. The price printed on the back of the pack is 40 Indian Rupees. That is 18 baht in Thai currency. So I already knew that I was getting ripped off at 80 baht per pack. It is lucky that I am a generous chap and don't mind helping out these miserable broke Thais.

Kuratla
07-03-19, 09:14
This has probably been asked before but I cannot find a relevant section. I'm starting to get up there in age and "performance " hasn't been as strong as in the past so I'm getting curious as to whether V is something I should consider taking for the 3 hour marathons I engage in at massage parlors. I'll do the research into side-effects and whatnot but, in the meantime, barring a medical prescription, anyone know a pharmacy to get legit / safe Viagra in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.

Banana Boi
07-03-19, 09:24
Kuratia,

There's a Thai man who sells them on sukhumvit.

If you can't find him just ask one of the many girls who will point you in the right direction.

If you can't find girls just read Syzygies' post 7 below your post. He even names the pharmacy.

Kuratla
07-03-19, 09:34
Kuratia,

There's a Thai man who sells them on sukhumvit.

If you can't find him just ask one of the many girls who will point you in the right direction.

If you can't find girls just read Syzygies' post 7 below your post. He even names the pharmacy.Woah. Same page and everything. How fucking lazy am I? Thanks man.

Ed Setra
07-03-19, 09:46
anyone know a pharmacy to get legit / safe Viagra in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.Handy location is the pharmacy in the lobby of Foodland on Soi 5. Best price in the area too I think.

They stock branded (genuine from original patent holders) and generic for more reasonable cost (Indian or Thai manufacture).

Apcalis (tadalafil) and Kamagra (sildenafil) certainly in stock. Maybe others.

Nixonbd
07-04-19, 18:20
I was reading on Pattaya One News that immigration lines on arrival at the BKK airport are over an hour long now due to a new finger printing process. Is this true?

J A Karl
07-04-19, 19:14
I was reading on Pattaya One News that immigration lines on arrival at the BKK airport are over an hour long now due to a new finger printing process. Is this true?I landed at Suvarnabhumi a month ago, everyone had to fingerprint scanning.

All 10 fingers.

I arrived in the morning around 07:30 with A LOT of other flights arriving in the same hour or so.

As I recall the immigration process took about 15-20 minutes from when I entered the que until I was cleared and went to get my luggage.

So not much of a difference from previous to fingerprint scanning.

LittleBigMan
07-05-19, 13:06
I was reading on Pattaya One News that immigration lines on arrival at the BKK airport are over an hour long now due to a new finger printing process. Is this true?Very true pick up a family member today it took him 1:30 to get out of Immigration with his bags.

Member #4698
07-05-19, 13:22
I was reading on Pattaya One News that immigration lines on arrival at the BKK airport are over an hour long now due to a new finger printing process. Is this true?Upon my arrival from Manila one afternoon recently, there was a large line ahead of me moving very slowly with bottlenecks at various turns in the que caused by people not moving forward to available immigration booths. I had had enough by the time I advanced to first turn at far end of the que, so I bent under the cordon rope and was suddenly 2nd in line at the particular immigration booth in front of me. No one in line said a word. They were all in a semi comatose state or else preoccupied in their personal conversations with each other. I am not proud of what I did, but the long immigration lines and the sheepish, dopey tourists that create the bottlenecks are intolerable. That's why I try to avoid international arrivals and departures at BKK airport as much as possible.

International arrivals and departures are much more manageable at DMK. Unfortunately most, if not all European and American international arrivals and departures are through BKK. No other airport in Asia is this bad or even close to being this inefficient, not even Ninoy Aquino, which is the 2nd worst airport in Asia. I recently sailed through Philippine immigration in 5 minutes although getting a taxi outside MNL was another story. 555. But seriously, the Thai authorities have to do something about BKK. It's a national disgrace. Talk about "Face".

Hey, remember when air travel was fun.

Smoothy
07-05-19, 20:14
I was reading on Pattaya One News that immigration lines on arrival at the BKK airport are over an hour long now due to a new finger printing process. Is this true?Took me about 20 minutes in Don Muang. Singapore was actually about the same. Singapore used to be lightning fast. Both have finger printing now.

Robert Long
07-06-19, 06:59
Upon my arrival from Manila one afternoon recently, there was a large line ahead of me moving very slowly with bottlenecks at various turns in the que caused by people not moving forward to available immigration booths. I had had enough by the time I advanced to first turn at far end of the que, so I bent under the cordon rope and was suddenly 2nd in line at the particular immigration booth in front of me. No one in line said a word. They were all in a semi comatose state or else preoccupied in their personal conversations with each other. I am not proud of what I did, but the long immigration lines and the sheepish, dopey tourists that create the bottlenecks are intolerable. That's why I try to avoid international arrivals and departures at BKK airport as much as possible.

International arrivals and departures are much more manageable at DMK. Unfortunately most, if not all European and American international arrivals and departures are through BKK. No other airport in Asia is this bad or even close to being this inefficient, not even Ninoy Aquino, which is the 2nd worst airport in Asia. I recently sailed through Philippine immigration in 5 minutes although getting a taxi outside MNL was another story. 555. But seriously, the Thai authorities have to do something about BKK. It's a national disgrace. Talk about "Face".

Hey, remember when air travel was fun.Natty, you know better than to ride coach economy into Asia. Premier Econ and business gives you a "quick pass" for immigration. Never more than 2 in front of you.

If they don't give it to you ask for the Purser and tell him your a FF and ask for one. They have extra.

RL.

Mogwai
07-06-19, 08:08
International arrivals and departures are much more manageable at DMK. Unfortunately most, if not all European and American international arrivals and departures are through BKK. No other airport in Asia is this bad or even close to being this inefficientUnless when you arrive at DMK at the same time as some flights from China. Oh my god, those groups are terrible. (But groups of any nationality are terrible.).

I have never waited more than about 15-20 minutes in the arrivals queue at BKK. Occasionally maybe 25-30 minutes, which is too long, but 15-20 minutes is doable IMO.
And even if you only had to wait for 5-10 minutes it wouldn't make much difference, because you still have to wait for your luggage after immigration.

Syzygies
07-06-19, 16:26
No other airport in Asia is this bad or even close to being this inefficient, not even Ninoy Aquino, which is the 2nd worst airport in Asia. I recently sailed through Philippine immigration in 5 minutes although getting a taxi outside MNL was another story. 555. But seriously, the Thai authorities have to do something about BKK. It's a national disgrace. I don't really understand you. I am in and out of BKK regularly, and it is not the most annoying of International airports by a long way, and even Don Meuang was not the most annoying in the old days when it was BKK.

Heathrow is far more annoying, as is LOS Angeles (although a few years since I used it). Had a horror over crowded stop at Narita many years ago, and another irritating stay at Dubai or similar due to poor lay out to force you pass a very long set of duty free shops.

Exited BKK after midday on a Saturday recently. Security queue and Passport check queues were not long at all. No issues whatsoever. Possibly helps I have gold card for quicker check in. You can get the Elite whatever for faster airport service at immigration and security.

I mainly exit and arrive at BKK on a Sunday or Saturday, and these tend to be quiet days. Other options are arrive late at night or very early morning. Sunday is ideal to avoid difficult Bangkok traffic.

Maybe my advantage is I am not flying to or from USA and the times for arrival and departure are not at absolute peaks. I have been at BKK on a rare occasion when the immigration queue was extremely long, so I know it exists, but not sure why so bad at certain times. Insufficient staff at peak load times is most likely.

I always exit plane and get to immigration very fast, no stops at the shops, walk fast to beat the rest of the rabble. Usually do not meet the exceedingly long queues. My past experience of LOS Angeles was vastly longer queues. Would like to avoid that airport if flying in or out of USA, if possible. I guess the larger the airport, the worse it is. Hence Heathrow is a horror airport made so much worse when bad weather hits.

It would not be fair to compare BKK to some other minor International airports in Asia, I think. Singapore is very busy so a fair comparison.

Djakarta would have far less long haul International flights arriving one would thinks, yet still has more than one terminal. I would expect Manila to have less traffic but don't really know.

When I am flying domestically in Thailand, I am happy enough to use Suwanaphuum (Thai Smile flights for example) over Don Meuang, even some would greatly prefer DMK with so much less total traffic.

Never really thought to b*tch about about BKK that much. Much more annoying experiences are possible once you are on your long haul flight.

If you want a really horrible International airport and airline combination, Ryan Air at Stanstead and other airports in Europe (like Cologne for example) is my worst experience ever. Never again. A torture experience from start to finish.

Ryan Air is El Cheapo flights so I guess you get what you pay for. I had no clue the seats would be such torture though.

Another horrible experience many years ago was Malaysian Airlines from KL to BKK (Don Meuang probably). The food was horrible, and the leg room was suited to dwarfs. Being tallish was definitely a problem.

Most unfriendly staff on an airline. I probably give the prize to British Airways hostesses. Be*tchy. Gay stewards are more helpful. Ha ha. Never had any problems with Thai Inter or other Asian airlines staff at all.

I have an genius engineer buddy that works at BKK, so will be interesting to hear his view about whether BKK is a disgraceful airport or not. I trust him, I think, to give a somewhat unbiased view, since his area is flight safety. He did warn me that some Air Asia franchise members don't have a very good safety record (Probably Indonesia and Malaysia members. Could do a web search for the details), so he would not fly with them. Not clear if he rules out Air Asia in general. He did not mention any of the other small tin-pot airlines in Thailand, however many will remember the old airline 12-Go that crashed at Phuket in bad weather a few years back, but possibly due to poor safety standards as well.

So I think your choice of airline can be more important than your choice of airport overall. BKK does not disturb me at all, probably avoiding its worse times.

Mr Enternational
07-06-19, 17:05
Man. Y'all are some impatient mfs. Bring an ipod to listen to or a tablet to look at while you wait if you are too freaked out to talk to the person behind or in front of you.

Member #4698
07-06-19, 18:05
Syzygies, I avoid Heathrow. I haven't been there in over 20 years. I read somewhere that they have the highest percentage of misplaced or lost luggage of any international Airport in Europe or the USA. I prefer changing planes in Zurich.

LAX & Newark are always fun. I was robbed a few years ago while going through the security line in Newark! Somebody snatched my money belt while I was getting gamma-rayed. Houston is my favorite international arrival airport in the USA. Atlanta is not too bad either. But for some reason I expect more from Thailand! There is no reason why Swampy should not be as efficient in processing new arrivals as say Singapore or HKG.

Of course, YMMV. I have had good international arrivals at BKK too on occasion, but I have also had horrendous ones. My recent arrival from Manila was shaping up to be a 45-minute wait until I saw an opening and jumped the que. No such luck on my 9:30pm arrival from the USA. It took 60 minutes to get through immigration then and that is a "disgrace". 555. And I was not laughing at the time.

But I think you are right about the time of arrival. It does make a difference. When I fly the Euro route from the USA and arrive at BKK on a Thai Air flight at 5:30 am there is usually no line and I am through Immigration in under 10 minutes which is very good. But when I fly the trans pacific route from the USA and land at 9:30 pm or arrive in the late afternoon from another Asian country, the lines and wait times can be really bad.

International arrivals at DMk are not problem. I am usually the 1st or 2nd passenger to reach the immigration area and there are NO lines. Thus I sail through immigration in a couple of minutes. I have few complaints about DMK although departure check-ins can be a little harry, but that is the Airlines fault. Don't you just love Air Asia? For this reason I try not bring check in luggage, especially if I am on a week or less visa run flight. It cuts check in time down to almost nothing.

Gargano19
07-07-19, 05:49
Took me about 20 minutes in Don Muang. Singapore was actually about the same. Singapore used to be lightning fast. Both have finger printing now.Recently couple of my friends entered into Bangkok via DMK and it took them couple of hours in emigration line.

Strangely, I never had this problem in BKK so far, but I always arrive or depart in early morning.

Nyezhov
07-07-19, 14:00
Man. Y'all are some impatient mfs. Bring an ipod to listen to or a tablet to look at while you wait if you are too freaked out to talk to the person behind or in front of you.Flying is to get you from point a to point be. I look at it this way: I jump into a plane in Atlanta and 12 hours later I'm in Korea and 5 hours later in BKK. For say 500. Bargain.

Accordingly, the suck factor of security waits, delays, pushy Chinese, nasty IOs, lost baggage, smelly fat drunks next to you, bad food, constipation, viruses and all else pale for me. For $500 and 24 hours what should I expect, a coddling? And I only need to do it once every 6 months or so.

Traveling anywhere sucks unless you choose to go absolutely first class. Like your own plane. Or in a Maybach with a stripper moonlighting as your driver. P.S. Your tray table in Business class still has my [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) germs on it.

If you look at everything truly sucky in this world as "wow dude, check THAT out LOL" you will be a lot happier. So will those around you.

Kuratla
07-07-19, 16:59
Handy location is the pharmacy in the lobby of Foodland on Soi 5. Best price in the area too I think.

They stock branded (genuine from original patent holders) and generic for more reasonable cost (Indian or Thai manufacture).

Apcalis (tadalafil) and Kamagra (sildenafil) certainly in stock. Maybe others.Perfect. Picked up some Kamagra at Foodland today. Super cheap. First time using ED meds will be on Wednesday with a Tulip girl. While I don't have issues getting an erection, I do have issues maintaining one as time goes on in a session. Hoping this complication will be solved on Wednesday. Looking forward to it immensely.

Smoothy
07-08-19, 10:30
Perfect. Picked up some Kamagra at Foodland today. Super cheap.How much was it?

Kuratla
07-08-19, 11:44
How much was it?200 baht for 4 pills.

Smoothy
07-08-19, 21:14
200 baht for 4 pills.Good price!

Much more expensive than the 80 baht some other guy says he paid from a street vendor, but he was probably scammed.

Kuratla
07-08-19, 23:58
Good price!

Much more expensive than the 80 baht some other guy says he paid from a street vendor, but he was probably scammed.Testing it out with a 3 hour session tomorrow at Tulip so I'll probably give a report on Thursday about the session itself and the quality of the Kamagra.

Goatscrot
07-09-19, 02:28
Perfect. Picked up some Kamagra at Foodland today. Super cheap. First time using ED meds will be on Wednesday with a Tulip girl. While I don't have issues getting an erection, I do have issues maintaining one as time goes on in a session. Hoping this complication will be solved on Wednesday. Looking forward to it immensely.Guys, Sidagra is the way to go. It is the Thai licensed generic viagra. It's consistent and good. I've been using it for several years now. If you get to a pharmacy off Sukhumvit the real price is 100 Baht for 4 50 MG tabs. 4 x 100 is 180 or 200 Baht depending on the pharmacy. I suggest Chula Pharmacy or the one next door on Rama IV near Silom Rd.

Kuratla
07-09-19, 03:22
Guys, Sidagra is the way to go. It is the Thai licensed generic viagra. It's consistent and good. I've been using it for several years now. If you get to a pharmacy off Sukhumvit the real price is 100 Baht for 4 50 MG tabs. 4 x 100 is 180 or 200 Baht depending on the pharmacy. I suggest Chula Pharmacy or the one next door on Rama IV near Silom Rd.Fair enough. This is all new to me. Stick with Kamagra for the moment. Since I already got it. See how tomorrow goes. If less than stellar, I'll look into Sidagra for the next session.

Ed Setra
07-09-19, 09:16
Testing it out with a 3 hour session tomorrow at Tulip so I'll probably give a report on Thursday about the session itself and the quality of the Kamagra.Wow, 3 hours. Best of luck walking down the stairs afterwards. I didn't know 3 hours was on the menu there. 2 hour sessions can be demanding enough workouts for me (and my chosen partner too no doubt). 90 minutes is my usual these days. Who's the lady (or ladies)?

Looking forward to seeing some old pals there (yes I know, I know) in a few weeks myself when I'm back in town in August.

Kuratla
07-09-19, 09:57
Wow, 3 hours. Best of luck walking down the stairs afterwards. I didn't know 3 hours was on the menu there. 2 hour sessions can be demanding enough workouts for me (and my chosen partner too no doubt). 90 minutes is my usual these days. Who's the lady (or ladies)?

Looking forward to seeing some old pals there (yes I know, I know) in a few weeks myself when I'm back in town in August.Going with Ying. Been with her many times. I wouldn't go 3 hours with a new lady. Even Ying kinda complained about how tired she is going to be afterwards. But it's a special occasion for me. First time using Kamagra (or equivalent) and I'm concerned about leaving after 2 hours with a raging boner on the BTS. Hopefully 3 hours with Ying will do the job.

Ladies is an idea though. See how things go tomorrow. Haven't had a threesome in years. Got me thinking now.

Ed Setra
07-09-19, 10:22
Hopefully 3 hours with Ying will do the job.
Ladies is an idea though. See how things go tomorrow. Ah yes Ying, excellent choice, sir.

I would suggest taking 50 MG or less (maybe 25 MG) if this is your first time using ED pills. Some mild facial flushing and a slight temporary headache can be alarming if unfamiliar with the mechanism of action of these meds. Not sure if you bought 50 MG or 100 MG tabs in Foodland, but they are easy to split to give the desired dosage.

Have fun (I know you will).

Kuratla
07-09-19, 10:28
Ah yes Ying, excellent choice, sir.

I would suggest taking 50 MG or less (maybe 25 MG) if this is your first time using ED pills. Some mild facial flushing and a slight temporary headache can be alarming if unfamiliar with the mechanism of action of these meds. Not sure if you bought 50 MG or 100 MG tabs in Foodland, but they are easy to split to give the desired dosage.

Have fun (I know you will).100 MG. Yes, first time with ED pills. Thanks for the advice.

Penguin69
07-09-19, 12:28
Going with Ying. Been with her many times. I wouldn't go 3 hours with a new lady. Even Ying kinda complained about how tired she is going to be afterwards. But it's a special occasion for me. First time using Kamagra (or equivalent) and I'm concerned about leaving after 2 hours with a raging boner on the BTS. Hopefully 3 hours with Ying will do the job.

Ladies is an idea though. See how things go tomorrow. Haven't had a threesome in years. Got me thinking now.You could choose one more lady and run a tag team after, say, 90'.

Kuratla
07-09-19, 12:29
Been talking a lot about ED pills today so this question came to mind. It's been mentioned that while under the influence of ED pills, you have trouble cumming. Is this accepted as true or is it more of a case-by-case basis? To be honest, if I cannot cum after 3 hours of fucking (preferably several times), I'd rather go back to multiple pops albeit at half staff.

Bubba Boy
07-09-19, 13:54
Been talking a lot about ED pills today so this question came to mind. It's been mentioned that while under the influence of ED pills, you have trouble cumming. Is this accepted as true or is it more of a case-by-case basis? To be honest, if I cannot cum after 3 hours of fucking (preferably several times), I'd rather go back to multiple pops albeit at half staff.Yes definitely the same here when taking a full pill, I cannot shoot a load at all. I found a solution is the reduce the dosage significantly. I cut a 50 MG pill into 4 pieces, that smaller dosage works for me in that I can get that extra bit of help yet still can shoot a load or two.

Kuratla
07-09-19, 15:34
Yes definitely the same here when taking a full pill, I cannot shoot a load at all. I found a solution is the reduce the dosage significantly. I cut a 50 MG pill into 4 pieces, that smaller dosage works for me in that I can get that extra bit of help yet still can shoot a load or two.Fair enough. I'll go with a 1/3 dose tomorrow then and see how it goes. Definitely want to reduce any side effects and absolutely want to be able to cum.

Banana Boi
07-09-19, 16:05
I take 100 MG of my kit Kat bar along with a bowl of Ramen and it works 50% of the time.

Consistent with studies showing Viagra is effective in 50% of men when taken as a placebo.

Goatscrot
07-09-19, 17:35
Yes definitely the same here when taking a full pill, I cannot shoot a load at all. I found a solution is the reduce the dosage significantly. I cut a 50 MG pill into 4 pieces, that smaller dosage works for me in that I can get that extra bit of help yet still can shoot a load or two.Exactly what I do. And I dissolve it under my tongue so it hits fast.

Robert Long
07-09-19, 19:40
Exactly what I do. And I dissolve it under my tongue so it hits fast.My Taxi driver taking me to Suvarnabhumi a couple of weeks ago was a great old player. Spoke English and it a great mood was telling me that he uses Thai V and backs it up with a Red Bull. Sometimes 2 Red Bulls. He is in his 60's and not your usual taxi driver.

Says he never pays over 100 thb for a good fuck.

555 I wonder what she looks like?

RL.

Crocodilexp
07-11-19, 04:55
Exactly what I do. And I dissolve it under my tongue so it hits fast.

How fast until you feel the effects? When swallowed, with Sidegra it takes 30-40 min for the effects and readiness to start (in my case).

For some reason, I thought you should not dissolve pills like Sidegra in your mouth, and that they're meant to be absorbed through the stomach (people are not swallowing them only because of the bitter taste). It's entirely possible I've been wrong. Would be nice to cut that startup time.

Goatscrot
07-11-19, 05:46
How fast until you feel the effects? When swallowed, with Sidegra it takes 30-40 min for the effects and readiness to start (in my case).

For some reason, I thought you should not dissolve pills like Sidegra in your mouth, and that they're meant to be absorbed through the stomach (people are not swallowing them only because of the bitter taste). It's entirely possible I've been wrong. Would be nice to cut that startup time.Anything sublingual will hit you faster. For me, I feel the effects for sure within 15 min, sometimes less. And it is bitter as hell, but really doesn't bother me.

Stykler
07-11-19, 07:39
Anything sublingual will hit you faster. "sublingual" - I've learnt a new word for the day. I'm embarrassed I didn't know what it meant. Thanks Goaty!

Penguin69
07-11-19, 09:57
Fair enough. I'll go with a 1/3 dose tomorrow then and see how it goes. Definitely want to reduce any side effects and absolutely want to be able to cum.Is it worth getting a pill cutter people have mentioned (if so, can these be bought in the pharmacy? Or is it easy to break into half without any special device?

BrazilRio
07-11-19, 10:30
Where I can find some hot Thais with pierced pussies? I don't care about the price if they are very hot and good fuckers I am now in Bangkok.

Franga
07-12-19, 11:50
Is it worth getting a pill cutter people have mentioned (if so, can these be bought in the pharmacy? Or is it easy to break into half without any special device?Best to get a pill cutter as they are not easy to break. I cut mine into quarters which would be damn near impossible without a pill cutter. Then I scrape off the green coating using a knife.

To use, I put one of the pill quarters into a glass and add water until it is dissoved, then swallow it. Has a bitter taste. Should start working within 15 minutes. The pill cutters should be available in a thai pharmacy.

Smoothy
07-12-19, 11:56
Where I can find some hot Thais with pierced pussies? I don't care about the price if they are very hot and good fuckers I am now in Bangkok.A girl named Ice who works at Crazy House on Soi Cowboy has a pierced pussy.

Allover
07-15-19, 07:05
For the first time in a long time I'm staying at a hotel that doesn't provide breakfast. As a concession to my age (mid 60's) I now like getting up at about 9 or 10 am and having breakfast. I know there are countless breakfast spots in town but I'm wondering if you guys have any favorites?

I've always wondered if local board members have a bar or restaurant where you meet up occasionally?

Today I went to Took Lae Dee at Term 21. Extremely clean, bright and modern right next to Foodland. I ate at the counter and watched them cook. B65 breakfast special for 2 fried eggs, toast, 1 bacon strip, juice, and coffee. The cleanliness and air conditioning alone make this place wortth B65.

Member #4698
07-15-19, 11:40
I now like getting up at about 9 or 10 am and having breakfast. I know there are countless breakfast spots in town but I'm wondering if you guys have any favorites?.I like Loaf Bakery & Cafe on Soi Lenkee. It's offers a very good selection of fresh baked breads and pastries along with savory breakfast items and coffee.

Smoothy
07-15-19, 12:26
along with savory breakfast items .Savory? I had to look that up.

1.

(of food) belonging to the category that is salty or spicy rather than sweet.

"fresh pineapple is useful in savory as well as in sweet dishes".

Synonyms: salty, spicy, piquant, tangy.

"cloves can be used to flavor both sweet and savory dishes".

Allover
07-15-19, 16:33
Savory? I had to look that up.

1.

(of food) belonging to the category that is salty or spicy rather than sweet.

"fresh pineapple is useful in savory as well as in sweet dishes".

Synonyms: salty, spicy, piquant, tangy.

"cloves can be used to flavor both sweet and savory dishes".I think Natty meant their food has good flavor and tastes good. I'll give it a try. The more I think about it I really liked Took Lae Dee for value and it looks so clean and brand spanking new. Thanks NB, I'm really hooked on good bakeries.

Mogwai
07-16-19, 08:12
The more I think about it I really liked Took Lae Dee for value and it looks so clean and brand spanking new.Yes, Took Lae Dee's are cheap and good. There's also one in the basement of Royal Garden Plaza in Pattaya and in Sukhumvit Soi 5 in Bangkok. Just in case you didn't know.
They are always next to a Foodland supermarket.

Bunky
07-16-19, 14:30
I know there are countless breakfast spots in (Pattaya) but I'm wondering if you guys have any favorites?I like the breakfast buffet at Casa Pascal, which is on the east side of Second Road, a few meters south of Soi 13/2. There are numerous breakfast buffets in Pattaya, but the one at Casa Pascal is a bit more upscale, with fresh baked goods and made-to-order egg dishes. The dining room is air conditioned and it has a quiet vibe. But you can sit outside if you prefer. Price is 245 baht plus VAT and service charge. That's more than the buffets at, say, the Apex or Lek Hotels. But the food is better and the atmosphere is more refined. The other thing I like about the Casa Pascal breakfast buffet is that it carries over into lunch and runs into early afternoon. So if it's been a long night and you're just getting around to brekkie at 1100 they have you covered.

https://restaurant-in-pattaya.com/menus/breakfastlunch-buffet/

Franciscass
07-16-19, 15:24
I like the breakfast buffet at Casa Pascal, which is on the east side of Second Road, a few meters south of Soi 13/2. There are numerous breakfast buffets in Pattaya, but the one at Casa Pascal is a bit more upscale, with fresh baked goods and made-to-order egg dishes. The dining room is air conditioned and it has a quiet vibe. But you can sit outside if you prefer. Price is 245 baht plus VAT and service charge. That's more than the buffets at, say, the Apex or Lek Hotels. But the food is better and the atmosphere is more refined. The other thing I like about the Casa Pascal breakfast buffet is that it carries over into lunch and runs into early afternoon. So if it's been a long night and you're just getting around to brekkie at 1100 they have you covered.

https://restaurant-in-pattaya.com/menus/breakfastlunch-buffet/Pattaya no idea but if Jomtien without hesitation.

Soi 5 Simon's for an genuine English.

Two Back Bacon (not streaky).

Two English style sausages.

Two Eggs.

Beans or.

Tomatoes.

Two Large slices toast.

Tea or coffee plus one refill.

If I remember correctly 120 or 130 (got to be a lost leader).

Terrific quick friendly service.

Extras include black pudding a must for me, hash brown french fries etc for 30 40 Baht.

Also the Irish Wolfhound on Pratumnak 4 is very good.

Mr Enternational
07-16-19, 16:02
I like the breakfast buffet at Casa Pascal, which is on the east side of Second Road, a few meters south of Soi 13/2. There are numerous breakfast buffets in Pattaya, but the one at Casa Pascal is a bit more upscale, The one at Pascal's is the best one in town. I don't know who would eat that cold greasy shit at Apex or Lek more than once. I would just skip breakfast and wait for lunch if I had to eat there again.

PedroMorales
08-02-19, 16:44
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7313849/Thai-king-anoints-army-nurse-mistress-official-concubine-ceremony-wife.html

His Majesty, King Rama, appointed an official mistress today. Let's hope the two of them, as well as Her Majesty, live happily ever after.

Syzygies
08-05-19, 12:45
I take 100 MG of my kit Kat bar along with a bowl of Ramen and it works 50% of the time.

Consistent with studies showing Viagra is effective in 50% of men when taken as a placebo.Ha ha. Viagra is not a placebo, but I think I understand what you meant to write.

It depends massively on the girl with me. A difficult girl, I will need a boost. My Mrs and certain others I will not. BBFS is making a big difference too.

Young Asian guys made need it less than old farangs. I have no clue if dick size matters in terms of how much engorgement is needed.

Cialis seemed to have no effect for me, made no difference, so that was anti-placebo effect, perhaps?

The time it takes to work also varies by person and by what was eaten recently. I find with nothing eaten and no alcohol consumed, Sildenafil works at about 25 minutes and maybe even 20 minutes, I can sometimes feel face flushing already.

Since I am into reasonable amount of foreplay time, and usually taking the girl to a room somewhere, I don't find the time it takes is a big issue. Sildenafil is reported to act much quicker than Tadalafil (Cialis etc.).

I don't think that precise measurement is necessary and hence no pill cutter is necessary (I can certainly bite off an approximate amount). If BBFS, I would reduce the dose if not eliminating it, perhaps depending on how long I think the session will go for, and how many fucks I had recently. Today I had no fuck for at least 2 days, and if get one, will be the Mrs BBFS, not binge eating today and no alcohol, and she won't give me a marathon sex, so dick should be quite strong enough.

All these variables to consider, as my dick gets less and less sensitive over the years. Getting to be like ET where maybe covered sex will become useless to me, or just not motivating any more.

Kuratla
08-05-19, 13:45
Ha ha. Viagra is not a placebo, but I think I understand what you meant to write.

It depends massively on the girl with me. A difficult girl, I will need a boost. My Mrs and certain others I will not. BBFS is making a big difference too.

Young Asian guys made need it less than old farangs. I have no clue if dick size matters in terms of how much engorgement is needed.

Cialis seemed to have no effect for me, made no difference, so that was anti-placebo effect, perhaps?

The time it takes to work also varies by person and by what was eaten recently. I find with nothing eaten and no alcohol consumed, Sildenafil works at about 25 minutes and maybe even 20 minutes, I can sometimes feel face flushing already.

Since I am into reasonable amount of foreplay time, and usually taking the girl to a room somewhere, I don't find the time it takes is a big issue. Sildenafil is reported to act much quicker than Tadalafil (Cialis etc.)..I'm still experimenting with Kamagra to find the right dosage and delivery system.

First was 30 MG ingested 10 minutes before start time of the session. It kicked in after an hour and lasted for 2 full hours. Hard the whole time and came often (but that could have been largely in part to the skill of the woman and the excitement of it being my first time using ED pills).

Second was 50 MG ingested 1 hour before start time. It was working from the get go but it was too much. Head of the penis was way too sensitive and I have a hell of a time cumming. Hard as a fucking rock though.

Third time was 25 MG sublingual 15 minutes before start time. Hard as a rock the whole time and fucked non-stop for 2 hours. Easier to cum than the second time but still a struggle.

Fourth time will be on Wednesday. I'll try 15 - 20 MG sublingual 15 minutes before start time. See how that goes. Hoping to find that perfect balance of hard for 2 hours and still able to cum easily enough.

Syzygies
08-05-19, 14:29
Second was 50 MG ingested 1 hour before start time. It was working from the get go but it was too much. Head of the penis was way too sensitive and I have a hell of a time cumming. Hard as a fucking rock though.
Each to there own experience, however I don't believe Viagra etc. Really makes your dick more sensitive, unless that is a merely a by product of having a hard on.

I also don't really find that it makes it harder to cum, other than as an indirect effect, either.

I find that the longer the sex goes on, the sensitivity of the dick declines, not aided by the Viagra at all, which makes it harder to cum. So with Viagra one is not in a hurry to blow at all, till it gets more difficult due to duration.

I find that a rest period of no dick action of a few minutes, can allow dick sensitivity to return and then easier to cum again.

At least this is my experience for someone with a rather insensitive dick.

Oterri
08-08-19, 01:54
I have nothing to fear but eff me. Any time I end up in front of a female immigration officer in US, I am grilled heavily as to why I travel without my wife to Thailand. God damn it. I can't even live for a week in a year! To add insult to injury, often the electronic devices are scrutinized minutely for whatever the eff these rascals have on their head. I have had to answer, couple of times, as to why I have nude pics of some ladies in my phone.

What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?

I really need some help here. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Syzygies
08-10-19, 07:13
I have nothing to fear but eff me. Any time I end up in front of a female immigration officer in US, I am grilled heavily as to why I travel without my wife to Thailand. God damn it. I can't even live for a week in a year! What a country. Maybe Russians and Iranians don't even have to go through this level of scrutiny. Is it all since 9/11 or more for a puritanical religious state?

Do you just state that you are separated from your wife or what (as though it was any of their business)? It is all about females trying to exert their power, which males don't have the same desperate need for, is that right? I always found female police officers in my country to be far more bitchy than male police officers that seemed pretty reasonable about minor issues.

It amazes me that any country can really think that paying money to get services from a girl / woman can be stopped. A very valid profession! In very old days was very serious crime to have sex out of wedlock, but that was when contraception did not exist and their was a great fear of creating babies with no father. Single mothers is still a big problem in Thailand, but fucking them is not so serious any more. Most babies are from Thai boy who ran away. The girls are not even properly educated about avoiding babies.

Hookers getting pregnant from customer happens, but I think it is a low percentage.

GDreams
08-10-19, 07:37
I have nothing to fear but eff me. Any time I end up in front of a female immigration officer in US, I am grilled heavily as to why I travel without my wife to Thailand. God damn it. I can't even live for a week in a year! To add insult to injury, often the electronic devices are scrutinized minutely for whatever the eff these rascals have on their head. I have had to answer, couple of times, as to why I have nude pics of some ladies in my phone.

What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?

I really need some help here. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.Try storing them in the cloud rather than on your phone.

Mogwai
08-10-19, 08:13
I have had to answer, couple of times, as to why I have nude pics of some ladies in my phone.
What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?
Maybe you can upload your pics to a cloud service? Or will they scrutinize that as well?

Franga
08-10-19, 08:48
What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?

I really need some help here. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.As far as I know they are looking for photos of nude females who haven't been breathing for at least 18 revolutions around the sun. And they are looking for photos taken without consent.

You should not carry any porn across borders. Put them on the cloud like on Box. Also log out of your email accounts and skype accounts so that they don't read them.

Kickoffs
08-10-19, 19:42
I have nothing to fear but eff me. Any time I end up in front of a female immigration officer in US, I am grilled heavily as to why I travel without my wife to Thailand. God damn it. I can't even live for a week in a year! To add insult to injury, often the electronic devices are scrutinized minutely for whatever the eff these rascals have on their head. I have had to answer, couple of times, as to why I have nude pics of some ladies in my phone.

What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?

I really need some help here. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.Like others have said, you should upload them into a cloud server to be safe. Otherwise download an app where you can keep a secret folder for photos.

Grebe925
08-11-19, 03:26
What a country. Maybe Russians and Iranians don't even have to go through this level of scrutiny. Is it all since 9/11 or more for a puritanical religious state?
Most other countries in the world implicitly accept that consensual sex, even if paid for, isn't a big deal. Even Singapore which has strict laws about chewing gum generally looks the other way when it comes to sex establishments. I mostly blame the rabid femin at zi movement for criminalizing it.

Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 07:57
Try storing them in the cloud rather than on your phone.No, no, no, definitely do NOT do this under any circumstances.

All our data in the cloud is analyzed by the companies offering those services, and potentially various governments (the companies get no benefit for refusing gov't requests). Those companies might be discreet with what the do with the results, but they certainly look at and analyze the data. Even if nothing happens today, analysis algorithms and government surveillance programs are always improving and expanding, so they'll be able to extract more useful data on you later.

Cloud data is only private when it comes to other users accessing it (most of the time, barring security breaches). To make things worse, there are multiple levels of backup, and once you put anything in the cloud, you can never truly delete it.

If you need to protect something, encrypt it locally (then you may upload it to the cloud, if you must, though it doesn't improve security). There are various ways and procedures for doing this, all with different pros/cons.

FL Hawk
08-11-19, 12:13
Each to there own experience, however I don't believe Viagra etc. Really makes your dick more sensitive, unless that is a merely a by product of having a hard on.

I also don't really find that it makes it harder to cum, other than as an indirect effect, either.

I find that the longer the sex goes on, the sensitivity of the dick declines, not aided by the Viagra at all, which makes it harder to cum. So with Viagra one is not in a hurry to blow at all, till it gets more difficult due to duration.

I find that a rest period of no dick action of a few minutes, can allow dick sensitivity to return and then easier to cum again.

At least this is my experience for someone with a rather insensitive dick.As I have aged, being able to come with a condom has gotten harder, and that is made worse by, as I have aged, my dick loses sensitivity the longer sex lasts. Kind of a double whammy. So I feel your pain my friend.

I have noted that when I first start sex with a condom I think I will be able to come, but then I will hold off, then before I know it, I feel dead down there as I lose sensitivity and be unable to come. A few minutes of rest may help regain the sensitivity, but as I know there are ladies waiting for me down the street, unless possibly BB is offered and provided I accept the offer (and I often do not), I will pass. I mean, failing to come with one girl means the possibility of coming with another!

Paolo99
08-11-19, 15:43
No, no, no, definitely do NOT do this under any circumstances.

All our data in the cloud is analyzed by the companies offering those services, and potentially various governments (the companies get no benefit for refusing gov't requests). Those companies might be discreet with what the do with the results, but they certainly look at and analyze the data. Even if nothing happens today, analysis algorithms and government surveillance programs are always improving and expanding, so they'll be able to extract more useful data on you later.

Cloud data is only private when it comes to other users accessing it (most of the time, barring security breaches). To make things worse, there are multiple levels of backup, and once you put anything in the cloud, you can never truly delete it.

If you need to protect something, encrypt it locally (then you may upload it to the cloud, if you must, though it doesn't improve security). There are various ways and procedures for doing this, all with different pros/cons.What about creating a specific email address without giving your real identity (not gmail or yahoo) and sending these pics on that mail? And disconnect access to all your mail apps on your phone.

Crocodilexp
08-11-19, 22:52
What about creating a specific email address without giving your real identity (not gmail or yahoo) and sending these pics on that mail? And disconnect access to all your mail apps on your phone.Most of your online activity from a single device can be easily correlated. If your stuff stored in the cloud ever comes under scrutiny, there are logs showing which IP addresses you accessed the device from and similar data.

Rob Jones
08-11-19, 23:40
I have nothing to fear but eff me. Any time I end up in front of a female immigration officer in US, I am grilled heavily as to why I travel without my wife to Thailand. God damn it. I can't even live for a week in a year! To add insult to injury, often the electronic devices are scrutinized minutely for whatever the eff these rascals have on their head. I have had to answer, couple of times, as to why I have nude pics of some ladies in my phone.

What do you guys do to keep private information private? How do you ensure that these good for nothings don't get a peek in your private life?

I really need some help here. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.I would tell her the truth. That you go there to have sex with younger women. As far as I know it is not illegal in America, like Australia, to partake in extra marital sex. I have never been asked such questions on re-entry to Australia and no one has shown interest in my phone. Maybe avoid the female officers, who obviously are the reasons we go overseas for sex, and go thru a male manned terminal.

GDreams
08-12-19, 00:59
No, no, no, definitely do NOT do this under any circumstances.

All our data in the cloud is analyzed by the companies offering those services, and potentially various governments (the companies get no benefit for refusing gov't requests). Those companies might be discreet with what the do with the results, but they certainly look at and analyze the data. Even if nothing happens today, analysis algorithms and government surveillance programs are always improving and expanding, so they'll be able to extract more useful data on you later.

Cloud data is only private when it comes to other users accessing it (most of the time, barring security breaches). To make things worse, there are multiple levels of backup, and once you put anything in the cloud, you can never truly delete it.

If you need to protect something, encrypt it locally (then you may upload it to the cloud, if you must, though it doesn't improve security). There are various ways and procedures for doing this, all with different pros/cons.If you encrypt the device they will just become doubly suspicious and hold the device until you open the files for them. You can always put the photos on a Micro SD which would be quite easy to hide. The point of this is avoiding a hassle. Unless there is something illegal being done I see no point in not using the more convenient storage offered by the cloud. Just delete all stored access from the device.

Syzygies
08-12-19, 09:07
I would tell her the truth. That you go there to have sex with younger women. As far as I know it is not illegal in America, like Australia, to partake in extra marital sex. I have never been asked such questions on re-entry to Australia and no one has shown interest in my phone. Maybe avoid the female officers, who obviously are the reasons we go overseas for sex, and go thru a male manned terminal.Not wise to use the term "younger".

Many countries make it illegal to fuck hookers, and under the age and other men of course. So a guy can be suspected of a lot more than just getting a fuck. Can be searched for under the age porn images etc. USA and Australia are not very alike in levels of puritanical stuff and bible bashing. Some USA guys call home the "Sex prison" or something like that. One cannot easily go get a nice hooker for fuck (or so we are led to believe). Risks are involved. Doing hookers in Australia is quite legal I believe. Just that good ones are probably nearly all Asian. Not legal in Sweden. Can one get a fuck from the Thai girls in Sweden? Perhaps, but be very careful. Most of the Thai girls are working as waitresses, or Hotel room cleaners, or Nail clinic staff, etc. (at least the ones I met there).

Member #4698
08-12-19, 13:43
I would tell her the truth. That you go there to have sex with younger women. That's crazy! You are just asking for trouble. The correct attitude (pose) upon landing in the USA is the closest one to how you feel ie I am dog tired from this long flight, I am glad it is over, and it's good to be home. The correct response to the question "what were you doing over there" is I was scuba diving and beachcombing or something similar. Just act the part of the jet weary tourist, play it straight, and you will not have any problems.

FL Hawk
08-12-19, 14:51
Not wise to use the term "younger".I typically get asked simply "business or pleasure? Last time when I said "pleasure", the guy looked at me with a barely perceptible twinkle in his eye as he motioned me on my way. They know what us single guys are doing but, as said, nothing they can do about it.

Mr Enternational
08-12-19, 15:16
I typically get asked simply "business or pleasure? Last time when I said "pleasure", the guy looked at me with a barely perceptible twinkle in his eye as he motioned me on my way. They know what us single guys are doing but, as said, nothing they can do about it.Nothing they want to do about it. Why don't people realize that it is just a job? Half of them go do the same shit that we do. My good buddy and fellow board member that died a couple weeks back was a New York City police detective. He would go to Thailand, Philppines, Brazil, Germany, wherever whenever he had time off work. We are all men and as men we all want to get chicks regardless of what our job is.


That's crazy! You are just asking for trouble.You are funny. It is not asking for trouble. Many times I have discussed with immigration dudes about the places I have come from. They want details so that they can make the trip too. It is no secret what is done in these places. I have literally told them that I was over there fucking hoes when they asked what I was doing. All they said was okay have a good day. If you tell them that you were doing something illegal, now THAT would be crazy. When they start asking you some scuba diving and beachcombing questions that you can not answer, that is when you are in trouble.

Member #4698
08-12-19, 16:47
When they start asking you some scuba diving and beachcombing questions that you can not answer, that is when you are in trouble.I agree, but in my case I am a scuba diver and a beach lover so I can easily answer one or two follow up questions, but usually there are no follow up questions. I have not been hassled coming back to the USA for over a decade. I have never been asked about what's on my phone or on my notebook computer. All I get is a "where you coming from" followed up with "have a good day" or "welcome back". There is no reason on Earth to say, "I have been shagging Nana Go Go girls non stop for 60 days and 60 nights." Not while these guys are on duty anyway.

Kickoffs
08-12-19, 17:57
I agree, but in my case I am a scuba diver and a beach lover so I can easily answer one or two follow up questions, but usually there are no follow up questions. I have not been hassled coming back to the USA for over a decade. I have never been asked about what's on my phone or on my notebook computer. All I get is a "where you coming from" followed up with "have a good day" or "welcome back". There is no reason on Earth to say, "I have been shagging Nana Go Go girls non stop for 60 days and 60 nights." Not while these guys are on duty anyway.Eh, you won't have to worry about follow up scuba questions. Highly likely they haven't done it themselves and a quick sane response to any question is what they are looking for.

RandoGuy
08-12-19, 20:46
Gentlemen,

After a failed second attempt at domestic tranquility, I am back in the game and planning a trip to the Land of Smiles. I would like to see how it compares to Colombia.

Many of you here are experts in international mongering, and your tips have been invaluable in helping me plan my trip. Let me return the favor by giving some advice in an area I have some small knowledge of. USA Federal law, and border crossing in particular. There has been some good advice given below, and some advice I would avoid. First, a brief explanation of the jurisprudence behind USA Border law. Anytime you attempt to enter the you. S, you are subject to search, seizure, arrest, inspection, inquires and examinations. Each of these things are triggered by a certain threshold of suspicion. What you must note is that this threshold is greatly reduced at the border crossing vs. Other areas, such as the monger below who had a friend who was a State detective. Briefly:

- Search: requires no warrant or probable cause (U. S v. Ramsey, 1977). This includes electronic devices. Right now, the circuit courts are split regarding warrantless searches of electronic devices, and SCOTUS refuses to address the issues. This means that, boots on the ground, devices are being searched daily with no warrant or probable cause. Not only can they search, they can copy your entire device, send you on your way, and then send that copy to a forensics lab to search. Entrants can be forced to unlock devices (or jailed until they do), and destructive searches authorized if reasonable suspicion exists. Even strip searches only require reasonable suspicion. That is the lowest threshold of suspicion and easily gained by an experienced officer. They also have the option of a customs / border search. This search allows them to look for anything that pertains to merchandise entering the USA Merchandise is defined as anything intended to be bought, sold, consumed or that may be subject to taxes / tariffs. This type of search is broad and deep, and requires only reasonable suspicion.

- Seizure: Any person or item may be seized provided there is reasonable suspicion of intent to cross a border. This includes electronic devices, which may be seized and possibly not returned.

- Arrest: does require a warrant or probable cause. Note that officers can, and do, become creative when looking for probable cause. Also note that if you are arrested (or "detained") on a border crossing, you can be released later at the officer's discretion, with no charges filed, and with no legitimate or actionable complaint. In other words, they can and do use arrest / detention as an intimidation tool to gain compliance.

Inspection. Officers may 'inspect" any and everything that you cross the border with that may full under an administrative inspection law. This is technically not a search and does not require any suspicion.

Inquire. Officers may make in-depth inquires to you regarding your attempt to cross the border. They may hold you for an extended time, limit your access to a lawyer (you have no right to council if you are not a USA Citizen).

Examinations. Officers may examine, in-depth and at their leisure, your papers, papers and effects.

Also be aware that you. S citizens can, and have been, prosecuted for violating USA Law abroad (RJR Nabisco Inc. V. European Community (2016)). This is normally reserved for things like RICO violations, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), narcotics, capital crimes, etc. However, the potential exists for any crime.

So how does this pertain to you, the returning monger? First, never attempt to bring anything that might be illegal into the you. S on an electronic device. You may get away with it a time or two, but you will eventually get caught and your mongering days will be over. If you have anything that might be questionable, leave it in the host country, destroy it, etc. Second, interact with a border officer the same way you would with any USA Officer while out mongering: be polite, stay silent beyond the required questions, and never admit to anything. If you are detained, always request a lawyer before talking; doubly so if you are innocent.

As someone mentioned below, most officers know why you went to Bangkok as a single man. Some might do the same thing. But you never know what kind of officer you will get, and if you get the wrong one, they can make your life a living hell trying to re-enter. When questioned, reply that you travel for pleasure and enjoy sightseeing, thai boxing, scuba, etc. You are happy to be home after a nice vacation. That is all they need to know. Understand that they can, and may search any and everything, including you, when you try to cross the border. Never admit to anything that is illegal in the you. S, like drugs or prostitution.

Take this advice as you see fit. Good hunting and stay safe.

FL Hawk
08-12-19, 22:48
I have literally told them that I was over there fucking hoes when they asked what I was doing. I absolutely believe you! Classic Mr. E. haha.

Rob Jones
08-13-19, 00:34
That's crazy! You are just asking for trouble. The correct attitude (pose) upon landing in the USA is the closest one to how you feel ie I am dog tired from this long flight, I am glad it is over, and it's good to be home. The correct response to the question "what were you doing over there" is I was scuba diving and beachcombing or something similar. Just act the part of the jet weary tourist, play it straight, and you will not have any problems.Never been asked in Australia, one of the many benefits of living here. I only leave the country 2 to 4 times a year so maybe if the Op is a frequent traveller he may be asked questions particularly if he is going to drug or terrorist hotspots. But really who gives these people the right to ask such questions?

Run Mann
08-13-19, 01:23
But really who gives these people the right to ask such questions?The Government of the countries they represent, that's who. But those officials are way more interested in passenger's transporting drugs and/or engaging in terrorist activities than if people got laid.

Oterri
08-13-19, 02:03
I am thankful to everyone who has posted in response to my original post about getting hassled at airports.

Believe me, for 2 decades I too never had big problem although I was grilled pretty harshly 2/3 times by overzealous bitchy female officers. They even asked me if I have relationship with women overseas or kids. WTF? I just visit for a week or two.

I knew solo men coming back from countries like Costa Rica, Colombia, Thailand are specially interrogated but never faced a reckoning moment till the last trip when an officer started asking me questions again and again. He asked me more questions than all the officers had done in 20 years. Yes I did travel quite frequently to several countries that year but many of my trips were to European countries with family. The too many visa stamps of above mentioned countries did not help, And perhaps the Cambodian visa made it worse because it a green page that is stapled to the passport. Because of these rascals I avoid going to Cambodia for almost 15 years and when I did, I made it a point to exit in 14 hours. But the scrutiny they put me under, the questioning by multiple officers including another ***** who thought I had made her day when I reached out for water bottle. LOL she probably thought I must have all the CP in the world and that her promotion is guaranteed. I don't mind if someone casually goes through electronic devices in front of me but to go through every single conversation I had on I'm and read every note and look at pics, away from me, for 1 hour! And for what? Because I am guilty of travelling as a solo male traveler. And then after wasting more than 3 hours of my time they won't even bother to apologize or pack the suitcases. Rather asked another group of officers to let me know that I am free to go.

You may not have had such a run but be prepared. Don't let these mothafucker low lifes look at the pictures they don't deserve to or need to in the first place.

AggieDad1
08-13-19, 02:31
If you are a US citizen I would reccomend getting Global Entry. You have to pass a background check and if you pass the background check you have to go to a local airport for an interview. The interview is a joke, you are really there just to get your picture taken and so they can fingerprint you. Global Entry automatically enrolls you in TSA Precheck. With Global Entry you bypass immigration and go straight to a computer kiosk. There you scan your passport and fingerprints and answer the customs questions. You never interact with a person. When you finish you get a receipt that you had to a customs officer and you are on your way. Has mine since 2016 and will renew when it exspires in 2022.

Questner
08-13-19, 03:02
My usual is to say 'I like the beaches'.

Kerrstar
08-13-19, 05:57
Never been asked in Australia, one of the many benefits of living here.I haven't even spoken to an immigration officer in Australia since the smart gates were introduced.

Franciscass
08-13-19, 08:50
. I have literally told them that I was over there fucking hoes when they asked what I was doing. All they said was okay have a good day.No problem Mr. E until you meet the church going monger hating puritan. Not sure if he or she can detain you for admitting to "fucking WG" but I wouldn't assume all immigration personnel want to visit Soi 6.

Syzygies
08-14-19, 03:49
After a failed second attempt at domestic tranquility, I am back in the game and planning a trip to the Land of Smiles. I would like to see how it compares to Colombia.
I guess you will find that overall Thai girls are not as good on the bed as Latinas of South America, or very much less reliable. Differences in attitudes. More shy and prudish. Very few into ass fucking. Yet Thailand is still vastly better than me being in the home country, or at least it was 25 years ago. I don't actually fuck any home country girls any more since very long ago. There are black girls here to, but most are not good looking. I give them a miss.

Important principal. You have no ties now, so keep it that way. Above, don't get too attached to some Thai girl that is with you purely for economic reasons (they nearly all are. So don't listen to their sweet talk). So many guys fall for a Thai girl and get duped! Play the field and have multiple regular Thai partners, is the best way. Set your mind very strongly on not acquiring a new Girlfriend. It takes years to start to know a Thai girl properly, and frequency of sex declines badly, as always.

Always remember that the girls you meet are likely to have multiple boyfriends sponsoring them, or if they don't, they are trying to get that way.

Mr Enternational
08-14-19, 04:13
I guess you will find that overall Thai girls are not as good on the bed as Latinas of South America, or very much less reliable. Differences in attitudes. More shy and prudish. Very few into ass fucking.I don't know where you guys are getting your chicks from, but all the Thai chicks I seem to meet try to go for the gold. And they do not ask for any of that sponsorship stuff either. I think it is the guys that tend to volunteer to be a sponsor.

RandoGuy
08-14-19, 05:35
Important principal. You have no ties now, so keep it that way. Above, don't get too attached to some Thai girl that is with you purely for economic reasons (they nearly all are. So don't listen to their sweet talk). So many guys fall for a Thai girl and get duped! Play the field and have multiple regular Thai partners, is the best way. Set your mind very strongly on not acquiring a new Girlfriend. It takes years to start to know a Thai girl properly, and frequency of sex declines badly, as always.Not much chance of that Syzgies. Most of my career was in the Pacific. I am very familiar with the "buy me drinkee" girls looking for "that big PX in the sky". Nope, I am done with allowing a female to attach herself to me; fool me twice, shame on me, right? It might be, as the ex said, that I will die alone. But I will die alone with a dick that is worn down from fucking all the pussy I can get until then.

Rob Jones
08-14-19, 23:22
I haven't even spoken to an immigration officer in Australia since the smart gates were introduced.And to quote KC & The Sunshine Band "That's the way I like it".

Rob Jones
08-14-19, 23:25
I am thankful to everyone who has posted in response to my original post about getting hassled at airports.

Believe me, for 2 decades I too never had big problem although I was grilled pretty harshly 2/3 times by overzealous bitchy female officers. They even asked me if I have relationship with women overseas or kids. WTF? I just visit for a week or two.

I knew solo men coming back from countries like Costa Rica, Colombia, Thailand are specially interrogated but never faced a reckoning moment till the last trip when an officer started asking me questions again and again. He asked me more questions than all the officers had done in 20 years. Yes I did travel quite frequently to several countries that year but many of my trips were to European countries with family. The too many visa stamps of above mentioned countries did not help, And perhaps the Cambodian visa made it worse because it a green page that is stapled to the passport. Because of these rascals I avoid going to Cambodia for almost 15 years and when I did, I made it a point to exit in 14 hours. But the scrutiny they put me under, the questioning by multiple officers including another ***** who thought I had made her day when I reached out for water bottle. LOL she probably thought I must have all the CP in the world and that her promotion is guaranteed. I don't mind if someone casually goes through electronic devices in front of me but to go through every single conversation I had on I'm and read every note and look at pics, away from me, for 1 hour! And for what? Because I am guilty of travelling as a solo male traveler. And then after wasting more than 3 hours of my time they won't even bother to apologize or pack the suitcases. Rather asked another group of officers to let me know that I am free to go.

You may not have had such a run but be prepared. Don't let these mothafucker low lifes look at the pictures they don't deserve to or need to in the first place.Believe me, for 2 decades I too never had big problem although I was grilled pretty harshly 2/3 times by overzealous bitchy female officers. They even asked me if I have relationship with women overseas or kids. WTF? I just visit for a week or two.

I would ask to speak to their supervisor and enquire why such questioning is relevant?

Smoothy
08-15-19, 03:20
I was grilled pretty harshly 2/3 times by overzealous bitchy female officers. They even asked me if I have relationship with women overseas or kids. WTF? I just visit for a week or two.

I would ask to speak to their supervisor and enquire why such questioning is relevant?It sounds like they wanted your cock.

Syzygies
08-15-19, 03:41
Not much chance of that Syzgies. Most of my career was in the Pacific. I am very familiar with the "buy me drinkee" girls looking for "that big PX in the sky". Nope, I am done with allowing a female to attach herself to me; fool me twice, shame on me, right? It might be, as the ex said, that I will die alone. But I will die alone with a dick that is worn down from fucking all the pussy I can get until then.I am on my 4th long term relationship. What a sucker. Levels of sex with first 2 were poor. They did not fool me at all. I fooled myself. Some girls get horny infrequently. Ha ha. With no long experience, one does not know at all which girl is suitable. 3rd one gave okay Amounts of sex but she was not suitable on emotional grounds (anger for no apparent reason at times). I omit girls of less than 1 year. 4th one has been a lot more compatible fortunately, since was an unintended GF, just fell into it. However if over, I certainly don't want any more.

I remained friends with 2nd long term partner for many years, but I am glad I don't live with her full time any more. Would have to listen to same old repeated rubbish stories and whinging day in and day out. She was not so much like that originally. I value peace and quiet at least some of the time these days.

You would be amazed how appealing some young 23 YO hottie can be though. Can be way sexier than previous partners. Easy to loose your brain. I met one such girl recently, however fortunately I am already taken, so don't have to be tempted. Another girl at the Sports Pub is quite appealing and looking for a BF. Actually somewhat similar to my GF. So many appealing girls available in Thailand that one would like to be doing.

If get into something regular with a girl, how to keep her to Gik status and not to become a GF? Treat her mean, I guess. Takes lots of control.

BMoreDog69
08-15-19, 12:23
First, so what if they see photos of someone you were having sex with? It isn't illegal to have sex with someone (adult) in a foreign country. "Yes, I'm a grown man, and I have sex with women. What's the problem with this?

Second, as someone who mongers places where it isn't specifically legal, I always use a burner phone.

* keep all photos on your removable memory card.

* backup any chats, etc to the memory card.

* upload anything to be secured to an online storage account. Zipping photos into a single file, which can be password protected, means nobody is going to be able to look at them.

* remove the memory card and factory reset the phone. Yes, forensic analysis might reveal stuff, but again, sex between adults isn't illegal.

* do what you will with the memory card.

Yes, be polite. Yes, answer questions. Yes, keep things short, and be repetitive as shit, rather than elaborating. Keep asking if there is a problem and why you're being detained. As tempting as it might be, don't be a smart ass and ask if they're jealous, or something similarly stupid. Follow all the usual guidelines for being questioned by police in the US, remembering that see&BP play by different legal rules, as indicated.

Syzygies
08-17-19, 08:10
Second, as someone who mongers places where it isn't specifically legal, I always use a burner phone.
I always used to refer to having a "monger phone". I only recently first heard this term "burner phone" on an American (over the top irritating) court case TV series. I won't bother with series two. I prefer Scandinavian TV series greatly. The bullshit and overacting is greatly moderated. Normally I don't watch a lot of USA TV (for many years now), and no visits to USA for many years too. I presume "burner" means you need to burn the evidence, or avoid law enforcement tracking you for long. Ha ha. Latest USA jargon did not exactly come up on "Game of Thrones" ha ha. I did try a couple of Sci Fi Series: The Expanse was tolerable, Altered Carbon not really. The Hot Zone must be the only thing in recent times I really liked. Was believable.

I used to replace monger SIM cards in Thailand quite often when I needed to lose track of certain girls. I still think it is a good idea to have a separate very small phone for holding all things you would not want the wife to see, and to have it password protected etc. However normally keep hidden so wife does not have to know it exists.

It helps I have several phone handsets for use in business and Overseas, so multiple phones is not suspicious. One of the ones supposedly for business OS, is actually used for monger contacts.

Oterri
08-17-19, 13:53
First, so what if they see photos of someone you were having sex with? It isn't illegal to have sex with someone (adult) in a foreign country. "Yes, I'm a grown man, and I have sex with women. What's the problem with this?

Second, as someone who mongers places where it isn't specifically legal, I always use a burner phone.

* keep all photos on your removable memory card.

* backup any chats, etc to the memory card.

* upload anything to be secured to an online storage account. Zipping photos into a single file, which can be password protected, means nobody is going to be able to look at them.

* remove the memory card and factory reset the phone. Yes, forensic analysis might reveal stuff, but again, sex between adults isn't illegal.

* do what you will with the memory card.

Yes, be polite. Yes, answer questions. Yes, keep things short, and be repetitive as shit, rather than elaborating. Keep asking if there is a problem and why you're being detained. As tempting as it might be, don't be a smart ass and ask if they're jealous, or something similarly stupid. Follow all the usual guidelines for being questioned by police in the US, remembering that see&BP play by different legal rules, as indicated.Commercial sex is not exactly legal and if things escalate, can be used against the traveler to harass him even more. The best option is to ensure that one does not have anything such as a picture, video or chat while crossing the borders.

The question is which online storage options are best to store files for a day or two, securely.

Aviator12
08-17-19, 22:04
Believe me, for 2 decades I too never had big problem although I was grilled pretty harshly 2/3 times by overzealous bitchy female officers. They even asked me if I have relationship with women overseas or kids. WTF? I just visit for a week or two.I would ask to speak to their supervisor and enquire why such questioning is relevant?Are you guys serious? I live in Scandinavia and the idea of getting questions like that at the border is just unheard of. Why don't you just hand them a note sying I'm MUTE!. Should solve the problem. I feel sorry for you guys. US of A used to be such a great place. Now with all the shit going on there I am happy to stay away and not visit as a tourist. And with that joke Trump in the oval office it's not getting any better soon. A country that can elect a narcissist, bully and pathological liar as their president do not have my sympathy any more. I'm out.

Nyezhov
08-18-19, 10:59
Are you guys serious? I live in Scandinavia and the idea of getting questions like that at the border is just unheard of. Why don't you just hand them a note sying I'm MUTE!. Should solve the problem. I feel sorry for you guys. US of A used to be such a great place. Now with all the shit going on there I am happy to stay away and not visit as a tourist. And with that joke Trump in the oval office it's not getting any better soon. A country that can elect a narcissist, bully and pathological liar as their president do not have my sympathy any more. I'm out.Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on your way out.

Let's us know when the Rooskis have crossed your border, we'll come bail you out.

BMoreDog69
08-20-19, 12:54
Exactly how, if you have photos, does this imply commercial sex? Are you making videos of your negotiations? Do we really need to spell it out, step by step?

As Syzygies mentioned, travelling with multiples phones is not unusual. "Oh, my phone is not a dual-SIM phone", or "My phone isn't unlocked", or "I have a work phone".

If someone asks you about commercial sex, you reply that, "That would be illegal. ", and say nothing more. As I stated, this is not unlike following advice if you're stopped and questioned by the police, which is easily googled and discussed ad nauseum on my monger forums. Have a simple story that fits the reality, without telling anything incriminating and stick to it like a broken record.

Which online storage is less important. Use a ZIP app on your phone to zip your photos and things into a password protected file, and upload that whatever online storage you use.

https://www.androidauthority.com/the-best-zip-and-unzip-apps-for-android-258692/

Frankly, this is of little concern, anyway. I have traveled for years and never been hassled. Can it happen? Sure. If you're worried about how hot the kitchen will get, then stay away.

Know the real issues, such as the ban on foreigners' getting religious tattoos, in Thailand.


Commercial sex is not exactly legal and if things escalate, can be used against the traveler to harass him even more. The best option is to ensure that one does not have anything such as a picture, video or chat while crossing the borders.

The question is which online storage options are best to store files for a day or two, securely.

Mr Enternational
08-20-19, 20:41
Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

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Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the Age of Majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Jackson

Syzygies
09-09-19, 10:05
Many people in Laos are displaced from their homes. e.g. Savanakhet. Its worse their than Thailand I think. Whole communities staying at schools not flooded.

Doing a border run Mukdahan to Savanakhet (Laos) and back becomes impractical.

Dams on the Mekhong and related water ways, are overflowing. Not sure if Nakon Panom (home of many Tulip girls) is still in a bad way or water already receded. Sakhon Nakhon was another near province with serious flooding, also Khon Kaen, Roi Et, Maha Sarakham, Kalasin, etc.

I waded in flood waters myself (but fortunately below crotch level) and waters went down already (in certain provinces). Thankfully Thailand has these bad tropical monsoon storms but not really proper serious Typhoons (quite rare).