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Rodwint2

02-11-20, 16:33

Doubt they would ever implement that here. They would have a very hard time enforcing it. This is not China by any means. It would have a much more far reaching effect on the economy.Any quarantine would not be self imposed. The rest of the world would cut off Thailand. The Thai government is playing a very risky game in hoping that there will be no outbreak, or that like China, it would be able to hide it from the rest of the world. Considering the fact that most nations do not trust the PRC to tell the truth about the current situation, Thailand would not be prepared nor is it capable to take the drastic actions that China is now implementing on its citizens.

As an example of the PRC not telling the truth, Hubei area has a significant smog problem over Wuhan city. The CO2 emissions normally are from car exhaust in typical times. However, there are no vehicles running in the Hubei region. The CO2 "smog" appears to be coming from the crematoriums which are supposedly running 24/7 and the workers complaining of not being able to go home. The deaths of 1,000 people would not be creating such a situation. Only if the deaths were in the 10,000's would such a drastic situation be occurring. That is why no one really trusts the China government. For Thailand to emulate that government model would be a big mistake.

Banana Boi

02-11-20, 16:36

If phuket were to become highly contagious how would they deal with tourists who don't have the things needed to stay at hotel and not go out.You would have to live like this for 14+ days.

If you're asymptomatic, hopefully you know enough bar girls that one would bail you out and allow you to stay with her.

Banana Boi

02-11-20, 18:10

SexIsLove

02-11-20, 19:38

Just looked at the coronavirus stats by country. I think it's safe for all you guys to go to Thailand. Look at all the Indian men that go to Pattaya and lesser so to Bangkok and out of all of them India only has 3 cases of coronavirus in a country of 1.4 billion people, likely none stemming from a visit to Thailand either. So keep going to Thailand guys and write those field reports. Totally safe.

Maybe the Indian men can use their low risk of coronavirus to convince previously unwilling Thai girls to go with them. Just tell the Thai girls India has far far fewer CV cases per capita than Japan, Korea, USA, Germany, Australia, Britain, etc.The 3 cases in India resulted from mainly students returning to Kerala (state in South India) from Wuhan. BTW FWIW there is a Homeopathic preventive regime for the Coronavirus circulating from renowned sources for those you may want to give alternate meds a shot. Just a couple of drops of "Arsenic album 30" (or maybe the globules form may work too taken directly) dissolved in water on an empty stomach for 3 days. No other intake till 30 mins later.

Dena0

02-11-20, 21:35

Just looked at the coronavirus stats by country. I think it's safe for all you guys to go to Thailand. Look at all the Indian men that go to Pattaya and lesser so to Bangkok and out of all of them India only has 3 cases of coronavirus in a country of 1.4 billion people, likely none stemming from a visit to Thailand either. So keep going to Thailand guys and write those field reports. Totally safe.

Maybe the Indian men can use their low risk of coronavirus to convince previously unwilling Thai girls to go with them. Just tell the Thai girls India has far far fewer CV cases per capita than Japan, Korea, USA, Germany, Australia, Britain, etc.A generous assumption is that there is some dark humor in the use of the phrase 'Totally safe".

3 in 1. 4 billion is misleading and unhelpful in this context.

3 in x, where x=number of Indians who went to Wuhan might be more meaningful; 1. 4 billion did not have potential contact with potential carriers by visiting China / any other country at risk.

No evidence suggests that nationality has anything to do with susceptibility to the virus. Not much of a joking matter, IMHO.

Mr Enternational

02-11-20, 22:33

No evidence suggests that nationality has anything to do with susceptibility to the virus. Not much of a joking matter, IMHO.Well of course. We know that. And we also know that hookers are not as smart and as analytical as you. That being said, nationality in this case could be used as an advantage with back woods country hookers that do not think the same as you. This is an elementary street game we are playing. We just want to mislead them for a few minutes. You are thinking of being somewhere under lab conditions where every mm and every mg must be precise.

Run Mann

02-12-20, 01:55

TT2000

02-12-20, 02:15

Globally # of new cases are reducing in the last several days.

My Opinion:

I am guardedly optimistic and I am still planning on going to LOS unless the Bat Virus gets out of control in Japan & Thailand in which case I am sure my flight will be cancelled. My flight is scheduled for late April. I have no contingency back up plan although I could very easily change my travel plans with a couple of hours notice and hit Sao Paulo, Brazil instead. It has been over 10 years since I was last in Brazil. I don't like the culture as much as SE Asia, but the girls are amazing. Maybe it is time for a change. Ha Ha.

On the plus side of going to Thailand in the wake of this virus: I expect the plane will be half full, the girls to be at their most welcoming, and I have no problem with being quarantined in BKK or Pattaya should something happen after I arrive.

LittleBigMan

02-12-20, 02:23

Well of course. We know that. And we also know that hookers are not as smart and as analytical as you. That being said, nationality in this case could be used as an advantage with back woods country hookers that do not think the same as you. This is an elementary street game we are playing. We just want to mislead them for a few minutes. You are thinking of being somewhere under lab conditions where every mm and every mg must be precise.Funny, Mr. E. people, in general, think it should just be common sense a given? But " critical thinking " agreed by nearly all the experts outside and inside of Thailand it is lacking.

Last Friday, with my cousin in town the bunch of us decided to make a visit to Kinnarree in Pattaya. Now as you know I'm Chinese of course made in America while sitting and checking out the scene a girl went up to my cousin they talked a bit then she walks back to the group of girls started talking thereafter no one girl came over to us. One girl though nice personality, overweight bucktooth did come over (desperate?) to my cousin and started to rub his dick my cousin must have needed to clean his pipes bad so he took her.

While waiting one girl recognized my brother came over to talk thereafter went over to the girls and had a discussion she came back later and told my brother the first girl told the group we were Chinese from Wuhan! We didn't speak Cantonese or Mandarin only English! when they realize the mistake it was too late especially for the first girl.

People don't realize as you noted it is a game and it doesn't take much to gain an advantage.

Sammon

02-12-20, 02:47

The concern of the coronavirus is spreading. This ship was rejected by the PI, Thailand, Japan and Taiwan because of the widespread Coronavirus fear.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cruise-ship-stranded-thailand-coronavirus-133840793.htmlTo quarantine, provide food, test all, transport to special isolation, get cutting edge medical care, dispose of bodies if someone dies, not to mention the scare caused to locals where the ship docks. These are mammoth undertaking nobody wants and very few countries are equipped to deal with.

I am sure even China will not accept it at its ports.

International efforts on ongoing to find a cure. With modern anti viral drugs I am sure corona virus will be contained. By then many will unfortunately die.

I remember during AIDS crisis. Many had no cure and died. Initially all governments ignored it because it affected only homosexuals. When it became heterosexual disease they found a way to stabilize the disease.

I am sure many Southeast Asian countries are understating the exposure results. Especially those depending on tourism.

Run Mann

02-12-20, 03:11

I remember during AIDS crisis. Many had no cure and died. Initially all governments ignored it because it affected only homosexuals. When it became heterosexual disease they found a way to stabilize the disease.

.Equating AIDS to the corona is off the mark, AIDS is primarily sexually transmitted or via blood unlike corona which affects all sexual classifications/orientation. The longer this goes on, the richer some Pharma bros will get.

ArifBD

02-12-20, 03:40

And who would stay away at a time like this? The papers are reporting that since Chinese people are not coming, prices have fallen and more focus is on foreingers that are not Chinese. So you recommend waiting until the Chinese return and prices go back up, and the Thais go back to not giving a shit about other foreigners?10 K posts! Mr. E, you are a legend!

But are you suggesting monger risk potential death / severe illness just to get cheap hookers? Or was it sarcasm that I failed to get?

Rodwint2

02-12-20, 05:42

Just looked at the coronavirus stats by country. I think it's safe for all you guys to go to Thailand. Look at all the Indian men that go to Pattaya and lesser so to Bangkok and out of all of them India only has 3 cases of coronavirus in a country of 1.4 billion people, likely none stemming from a visit to Thailand either. So keep going to Thailand guys and write those field reports. Totally safe.

Maybe the Indian men can use their low risk of coronavirus to convince previously unwilling Thai girls to go with them. Just tell the Thai girls India has far far fewer CV cases per capita than Japan, Korea, USA, Germany, Australia, Britain, etc.The there were two recent cases of the virus in the UK this week. The first was the one that is all over the news because he got it in Singapore, transmitted to 5 people in France and a several others in the UK. Infected total from one guy, 11 new patients. What is disturbing is that the second UK virus carrier was a Brit in prison in Thailand and was transferred to the UK to serve his sentence in a UK prison. That guy exposed other prisoners and prison guards to the virus. What is disturbing is, "How did a prisoner in Thailand get the virus? No one in the Thai government responded to that question from the UK health authorities.

Mr Enternational

02-12-20, 05:48

I am sure even China will not accept it at its ports.This literally brought tears to my eyes. Now that would really be messed up. We gave you guys the disease fair and square. No backsies!

Turgid

02-12-20, 10:45

Yeah I would stay home and hide in your closet...............Is East Asia the entire world?

Beno69

02-13-20, 03:32

...Only if the deaths were in the 10,000's would such a drastic situation be occurring. That is why no one really trusts the China government..Oh my buddha. 555.

Goatscrot

02-13-20, 05:52

Any quarantine would not be self imposed. The rest of the world would cut off Thailand. The Thai government is playing a very risky game in hoping that there will be no outbreak, or that like China, it would be able to hide it from the rest of the world. Considering the fact that most nations do not trust the PRC to tell the truth about the current situation, Thailand would not be prepared nor is it capable to take the drastic actions that China is now implementing on its citizens.

As an example of the PRC not telling the truth, Hubei area has a significant smog problem over Wuhan city. The CO2 emissions normally are from car exhaust in typical times. However, there are no vehicles running in the Hubei region. The CO2 "smog" appears to be coming from the crematoriums which are supposedly running 24/7 and the workers complaining of not being able to go home. The deaths of 1,000 people would not be creating such a situation. Only if the deaths were in the 10,000's would such a drastic situation be occurring. That is why no one really trusts the China government. For Thailand to emulate that government model would be a big mistake.In the winter an inversion layer develops. So there is your "smog. " 10,000 deaths and the cremation of those bodies? Sorry, even the Chinese gov would not be able to keep that under wraps. Please don't fabricate or spread rumors that cause unnecessary alarm.

Beijing4987

02-13-20, 06:06

The pollution index for PM 2. 5 in Wuhan has been "mild" recently. It was 68 today.

RioHeart

02-13-20, 11:45

Is East Asia the entire world?https://skepchick.org/2020/02/coronavirus-myths-pseudoscience-and-racism/

Syzygies

02-14-20, 01:15

Maybe the Indian men can use their low risk of coronavirus to convince previously unwilling Thai girls to go with them. Just tell the Thai girls India has far far fewer CV cases per capita than Japan, Korea, USA, Germany, Australia, Britain, etc.Is that because there are much fewer persons returning to India from Hubei? Does India have a high well off Chinese population that can afford trips to China?

Even a small percentage would be a lot in amongst the billion.

Banana Boi

02-14-20, 03:18

You guys missed the point of my post completely.

There was a poster here recently saying no Indian men go back to India with Blue Balls. So if that means 20,000+ Indian men get BBBJ and DFK in Pattaya on a weekly basis and none get the coronavirus, then hobbying in Thailand is safe and there should not be all of this mongering paranoia.

I'd be more afraid of standing in crowded long lines at Immigration at BKK or DMK and flying on a plane with circulated air than getting the virus from a girl in Pattaya or Bangkok.

I'm currently in a country with very very few cases of coronavirus. A regular girl I know has had a runny nose with no other symptoms for 2 days so she is getting tested at a hospital now because she thinks she has coronavirus. I told her she usually gets runny noses this time of year but she is convinced she has the coronavirus.

Banana Boi

02-14-20, 04:25

Here's some news that will make guys happy.....NOT! Because the coronavirus has affected tourism so much the government is considering extending Songkran to bring in more money.

Golfinho

02-14-20, 05:47

I'd be more afraid of standing in crowded long lines at Immigration at BKK or DMK and flying on a plane with circulated air than getting the virus from a girl in Pattaya or Bangkok.DMK is a place to avoid at all costs even in the best of times. Unless of course if you're PRC.

Rodwint2

02-14-20, 06:03

In the winter an inversion layer develops. So there is your "smog. " 10,000 deaths and the cremation of those bodies? Sorry, even the Chinese gov would not be able to keep that under wraps. Please don't fabricate or spread rumors that cause unnecessary alarm.I don't deal in fake news or rumors. I review the information with a touch of doubt and do not state information that does not have a strong factual basis.

Regarding the cremations, at the CDC press conference the other day, one news organization there stated that they had spoken with the funeral companies in Wuhan who stated that they were working 24/7. They also said that the cremations from the hospitals were about 30% of the current work and 70% were bodies picked up from private residences. Also, backing up the "smog" created by the cremations, a UK news organization raised this issue recently. See: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1240523/Coronavirus-satellite-image-scale-of-coronavirus-outbreak-infections-coronavirus-cremation Additionally, the most recent CNBC report should be of interest as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9a_I5kCDk.

Morton219

02-14-20, 07:35

They also said that the cremations from the hospitals were about 30% of the current work and 70% were bodies picked up from private residences.It may be because more people choose to use cremation instead of burial even if they not sure if the deceased die of the new virus or not.

Goatscrot

02-14-20, 09:13

I don't deal in fake news or rumors. I review the information with a touch of doubt and do not state information that does not have a strong factual basis.

Regarding the cremations, at the CDC press conference the other day, one news organization there stated that they had spoken with the funeral companies in Wuhan who stated that they were working 24/7. They also said that the cremations from the hospitals were about 30% of the current work and 70% were bodies picked up from private residences. Also, backing up the "smog" created by the cremations, a UK news organization raised this issue recently. See: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1240523/Coronavirus-satellite-image-scale-of-coronavirus-outbreak-infections-coronavirus-cremation Additionally, the most recent CNBC report should be of interest as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9a_I5kCDk.So by the CNBC stats the death toll is about 2%. Now who is dying? The old, the immunocompromised? That makes a huge difference. I would not put too much stock in what the Express says. A little better than click bait, but not much. I applaud the Chinese gov for implementing curfews. They seem to be making an effort to stop the spread as best they can. Personally, I think it is a great time to travel. Without the Chinese, there will be far fewer crowds throughout Asia and in Europe. Airfares have already tumbled. Saw BKK to Cairo for 15K Baht return on Emirates. BKK to Osaka for less than 6k return. Want to see Angkor Wat? Now is the time.

EihTooms

02-14-20, 09:15

Has anyone else noticed a strange lull in the number and frequency of Line messages from the girls with reports of sickness, hospital stays and deaths of moms, dads, grandmoms, grandads, babies, brothers, sisters, etc. and asking for money to help pay for it since this coronavirus thing began?

Franciscass

02-14-20, 10:15

So by the CNBC stats the death toll is about 2%. Now who is dying? The old, the immunocompromised? That makes a huge difference. I would not put too much stock in what the Express says. A little better than click bait, but not much. I applaud the Chinese gov for implementing curfews. They seem to be making an effort to stop the spread as best they can. Personally, I think it is a great time to travel. Without the Chinese, there will be far fewer crowds throughout Asia and in Europe. Airfares have already tumbled. Saw BKK to Cairo for 15K Baht return on Emirates. BKK to Osaka for less than 6k return. Want to see Angkor Wat? Now is the time.For sure discounted hotels, air fares complementary upgrades makes this a great time to travel. I see very little risk of contracting anything problematic coronavirus or otherwise although I would certainly avoid visiting China. The understanding of this disease continues to grow and the effects if contracted range from mild to serious. Most people with severe reactions have been older or had significant existing medical conditions similar to what is seen in people who have other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza from which hundreds of thousands die each year. It is not to be underestimated but the media have had a field day in creating a Hollywood pandemic plague like news cycle. The biggest concern is how long before a vaccine is developed and here the forecast ranges from 1 to 2 years. The efforts worldwide to contain it should eventually reduce new infections and fewer which hopefully will ease the minds of those overly concerned. I'm off for my favorite spring break to Japan and with some luck some of that renowned Japanese service.

Pimpampoumpipo

02-14-20, 12:30

RojerAims1

02-14-20, 22:59

Been RTFF for the last few weeks and I've got a pretty decent game plan for my month in Thailand.

My question is is there good places for meeting other vacationers and other such "nonpros"? I've heard maybe Tinder is an option?

I was contemplating Patong with the hopes of meeting other vacationers (in addition to its decent mongering opportunities). Any other places I should look at? I can't imagine meeting nonpros in Pattaya, for example.

Cheers,

Rojer.

Banana Boi

02-15-20, 10:31

Now who is dying? The old, the immunocompromised? That makes a huge difference. Last time I saw stats for this it said 80% of those who died were over 60 years old. 75% had pre-existing conditions like diabetes or heart disease.

I was contemplating Patong with the hopes of meeting other vacationers (in addition to its decent mongering opportunities). Any other places I should look at? I can't imagine meeting nonpros in Pattaya, for example.Why can't you meet a non pro in Pattaya? Who misinformed you and told you every single girl in Pattaya was a hooker? I met my girlfriend in Pattaya and she was a non pro.

My friend who is a good looking Japanese American in his early 30's picked up a hot young non pro Russian tourist in Pratumnak Hill.

I'd recommend Khaosan Road in Bangkok as one of the better places to pick up drunk Farang tourists. The Full Moon parties would be another place.

You would meet non pros in the same types of places you would meet non pros in your home country. If you're successful at picking up civilian girls in your home country you'll be successful while on vacation.

Jude Bright

02-15-20, 10:50

Last time I saw stats for this it said 80% of those who died were over 60 years old. 75% had pre-existing conditions like diabetes or heart disease.

Just friendly remind you that there are people who were healthy and young and died with this disease. Just t be careful as it is a serious disease and a lot worse than flu.

Stay safe.

Jb.

Sinofaguo

02-15-20, 11:40

I don't deal in fake news or rumors. I review the information with a touch of doubt and do not state information that does not have a strong factual basis.

backing up the "smog" created by the cremations, a UK news organization raised this issue recently. See: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1240523/Coronavirus-satellite-image-scale-of-coronavirus-outbreak-infections-coronavirus-cremation Additionally, the most recent CNBC report should be of interest as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9a_I5kCDk.The news you're quoting about these so called satellite measures has already been proved fake. Yet you choose to quote it deliberatly.

People like you spreading lies to worry others is an illness which affects this planet far worse than this virus.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/13/debunked-this-images-doesn-t-show-extent-of-corpse-burning-in-wuhan

Rodwint2

02-16-20, 06:03

The news you're quoting about these so called satellite measures has already been proved fake. Yet you choose to quote it deliberatly.

People like you spreading lies to worry others is an illness which affects this planet far worse than this virus.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/13/debunked-this-images-doesn-t-show-extent-of-corpse-burning-in-wuhan

You can choose what you want to believe and I will look at what information I can find that has a semblance of fact. The CNBC story is substantive and the question raised at the CDC press conference is on the record by a valid news organization granted press credentials by the CDC, so I don't think any of the statements made were false or lies as you chose to accuse me of.

If you claim any of the "smog" facts were "disproven", then please state your sources other than "Euronews" who is not a legitimate news organization that is unknown as a genuine news site. In fact, "Euronews" appears to be a purveyor of "fake news" that you claim I am promoting. Since I hit a nerve with you and whom ever you are fronting for (Xinhua?), I believe my statements must be closer to the truth than yours.

Marjun

02-16-20, 07:32

Sideshow01

02-16-20, 07:46

You can choose what you want to believe and I will look at what information I can find that has a semblance of fact. The CNBC story is substantive and the question raised at the CDC press conference is on the record by a valid news organization granted press credentials by the CDC, so I don't think any of the statements made were false or lies as you chose to accuse me of.

If you claim any of the "smog" facts were "disproven", then please state your sources other than "Euronews" who is not a legitimate news organization that is unknown as a genuine news site. In fact, "Euronews" appears to be a purveyor of "fake news" that you claim I am promoting. Since I hit a nerve with you and whom ever you are fronting for (Xinhua?), I believe my statements must be closer to the truth than yours.A simple search reveals Euronews to be a legitimate organisation with NBC and European public broadcasters amongst the shareholders. You also used a daily express article as part of your claims. A news organisation about as reliable as the daily mail and if you read the express article it doesn't really say anything but rather poses bullshit questions which is par for the course for that rag of a publication.

Sinofaguo

02-16-20, 16:06

You can choose what you want to believe and I will look at what information I can find that has a semblance of fact.

If you claim any of the "smog" facts were "disproven", then please state your sources other than "Euronews" who is not a legitimate news organization that is unknown as a genuine news site. In fact, "Euronews" appears to be a purveyor of "fake news" that you claim I am promoting. Since I hit a nerve with you and whom ever you are fronting for (Xinhua?), I believe my statements must be closer to the truth than yours.OMG are you for real? Did you even look at the copyright from the so called satellite images? They are tagged Windy.com.
Now go to Windy.com twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/windyforecast/status/1228459766286102528

They are the forcasting company who's images have been wrongly interpreted for what they are not. And they actually link themselves to the article I quoted.

You can also look at the english fact checking NGO:
https://fullfact.org/health/satellites-wuhan-sulphur-dioxide-coronavirus/
There is even someone from the NASA explaining how the forecasting model works and how its not based on live data.

Stop taking us for idiots by spamming false news here. Not even sure how its related to Bangkok General reports to start with.

Rodwint2

02-16-20, 17:45

OMG are you for real? Did you even look at the copyright from the so called satellite images? They are tagged Windy.com.
Now go to Windy.com twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/windyforecast/status/1228459766286102528

They are the forcasting company who's images have been wrongly interpreted for what they are not. And they actually link themselves to the article I quoted.

You can also look at the english fact checking NGO:
https://fullfact.org/health/satellites-wuhan-sulphur-dioxide-coronavirus/
There is even someone from the NASA explaining how the forecasting model works and how its not based on live data.

Stop taking us for idiots by spamming false news here. Not even sure how its related to Bangkok General reports to start with.If you want to be argumentative and call me a "liar". You have that right. I don't claim or vouch for any website's accuracy as you do. I point out what I have found and the facts that are out there.

Your insistence on prolonging this "debate" and insistence on claiming everything I stated sounds like a persistent effort to discredit everything I write. Either you are psychotic and are in need of some help, or a front for the Chinese Communist Party or one of their official organs like Xinhua. I leave it to the readers to make up their own minds.

Sideshow01

02-16-20, 21:14

If you want to be argumentative and call me a "liar". You have that right. I don't claim or vouch for any website's accuracy as you do. I point out what I have found and the facts that are out there.

Your insistence on prolonging this "debate" and insistence on claiming everything I stated sounds like a persistent effort to discredit everything I write. Either you are psychotic and are in need of some help, or a front for the Chinese Communist Party or one of their official organs like Xinhua. I leave it to the readers to make up their own minds.Is covid19 a serious issue. Yes it is as mortality rate appears a lot higher than normal flu but nothing compared to SARS or the far more serious MERS but you are posting mega tin foil hat garbage I'm afraid. Anyone disagreeing works for Xi or is psychotic apparently. People should do their own research from legitimate sources and make their own minds up as to the risk. I was in Bangkok mid January and am back again for a week now. Far less face masks than I expected (except at the airport). I'm due to be in KL mid March if work allows me to fly as they are excessively HSE conscious due to the nature of the industry but only China is a definite no travel with no exception zone.

Here is an actual map of the spread of the virus https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ bda7594740 fd40299423467 b48 e9 ecf6.

Jsing

02-18-20, 10:26

Hey lads,

Do you know if it is possible to get a prepaid debit or similar in Thailand to spring for a Smooci Premium membership? I'm heading to Thailand in a couple days and want to get a membership (can't actually sign up for premium until I have a phone over there), but I don't want to pay with my regular debit or credit cards.

If anyone can offer me advice on how to sign up without using my real cards, I'd appreciate it.

Omigawd

02-26-20, 17:49

Is covid19 a serious issue. Yes it is as mortality rate appears a lot higher than normal flu but nothing compared to SARS or the far more serious MERS but you are posting mega tin foil hat garbage I'm afraid. Anyone disagreeing works for Xi or is psychotic apparently. People should do their own research from legitimate sources and make their own minds up as to the risk. I was in Bangkok mid January and am back again for a week now. Far less face masks than I expected (except at the airport). I'm due to be in KL mid March if work allows me to fly as they are excessively HSE conscious due to the nature of the industry but only China is a definite no travel with no exception zone.

Here is an actual map of the spread of the virus https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ bda7594740 fd40299423467 b48 e9 ecf6.Far less masks? I just got out of Bangkok and was shocked to see at least 40% donning face masks.

Zhuren

02-27-20, 02:35

Far less masks? I just got out of Bangkok and was shocked to see at least 40% donning face masks.Masks are sold out all over BKK.

AvocaDick

02-27-20, 14:44

Last time I had visited Pattaya was on December'19.

And was completely looking forward to trip again in Feb next week.

However, I postponed my plans in Jan due to cornonavirus situation and thought by March timeline, it would be contained.

Damn virus is still at large, and I guess I will again be rescheduling my trip to April first week.

However, I'm still not sure whether by Apr timeline the virus would be contained.

I believe more in mathematical models of cornovirus than Thai government words and it says the number of infected people to be much higher than the reported 33 people.

In Thailand is the second most vulnerable country next to China with regards to coronavirus infections.

Maybe I should just postpone the Thai trip indefinitely and head over PP / Jarkarta.I had booked my trip on Feb 20. After watching a lot of youtube videos of the scenario in Thailand o decided to postpone it. I am planning a trip in April. Hopefully due to the climate by then things should be back to normal. I just can't understand when the whole world is concerned about the virus how come tourists I Thailand are still enjoying freely in pubs and bars and discotheques. Also what scared me was what would happen if I get a freelancer to my room unknowing that she was infected. I'm damn sure the virus would spread thru contact.

I too am hoping for the best till April. Till then I am keeping a close watch of the situation thru posts and YouTube videos.

I guess we are on the same boat. If you would like to chat we me add me on wazzap.

Sideshow01

02-28-20, 12:20

Far less masks? I just got out of Bangkok and was shocked to see at least 40% donning face masks.I expected more I guess except in the bars / go-gos etc. Guess I wasn't clear.

Banana Boi

03-04-20, 21:49

List of countries and territories at high risk of the Covid-19 infection: Japan, Germany, South Korea, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), Taiwan, France, Singapore, Italy, and Iran.

All returnees from these nations and territories must self-quarantine for 14 days, he said.

Ministerial announcements specify the following four measures for enforcement:

Visitors and Thai citizens returning from the high risk areas will be subject to 14-days home quarantine, even if they are cleared of the disease, unless they have permission from health officials.

Those who do not have a permanent residence or lodging in Thailand are required to show officials, upon arrival, evidence of where officials can locate them during the 14-day period.The final sentence is the big one for tourists. Read the link posted below if you are from one of the listed countries. Would suck to fly to Thailand only to be turned away to fly all the way back home.

Tourists will be required to show where they will be staying for 14 days after arrival. That would mean you will need to book your hotel for 14 days and not book an AirBNB since AirBNB is illegal in Thailand. If you really must use AirBNB in Thailand which I don't, you can book a hotel which has free cancellation, show Thai Immigration you are staying there, and then cancel your hotel. You do take the chance that somehow Thai immigration finds out you are not staying where you said you were and deports you with no return for 5 years on your record. Remember hotels are required to tell Thai Immigration when you check in and check out of their hotel. Imo best to be safe and stay in a hotel your next visit.

These new rules will affect myself since I was planning to do a FKK tour in Germany on my way to Bangkok. Now to get to Bangkok I will have to fly Germany to Jakarta, hobby in Jakarta for a week, then to Bangkok. Since Indonesia does not record the number of coronavirus cases it is a safe destination that will not be subject to the newly imposed Thailand quarantine. Vietnam, Philippines, and Cambodia appear to not report all their cases as well so those would be other options to fly in from. I'll predict that the USA will eventually make it on a Thailand quarantine list with their recent outbreak.

Source: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/new-anti-virus-measures-for-foreign-visitors-and-thais-returning-from-high-risk-areas/.

StLouisMo2010

03-05-20, 17:26

List of countries and territories at high risk of the Covid-19 infection: Japan, Germany, South Korea, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), Taiwan, France, Singapore, Italy, and Iran.

After seeing the above information, I wonder how this may or may not affect Airline Connections coming into BKK. Coming from US West Coast I go thru Taiwan on Eva, will this cause the required quarantine and 14 day health checks?

Turgid

03-05-20, 21:06

List of countries and territories at high risk of the Covid-19 infection: Japan, Germany, South Korea, China (including Hong Kong and Macau), Taiwan, France, Singapore, Italy, and Iran.

After seeing the above information, I wonder how this may or may not affect Airline Connections coming into BKK. Coming from US West Coast I go thru Taiwan on Eva, will this cause the required quarantine and 14 day health checks?I find it difficult to believe that the risk is higher in Germany than in Thailand. The Germans are probably doing a better job at reporting infections than the Thais.

Banana Boi

03-05-20, 23:21

After seeing the above information, I wonder how this may or may not affect Airline Connections coming into BKK. Coming from US West Coast I go thru Taiwan on Eva, will this cause the required quarantine and 14 day health checks?The Immigration Officer will see 2 immediate things which are your passport and your Arrival Card. My guess would be if either of these are from a restricted entry country you will be under quarantine protocol. This includes a connecting flight from Taiwan since the Arrival Card shows the last flight you took before arrival to Thailand.

I find it difficult to believe that the risk is higher in Germany than in Thailand. The Germans are probably doing a better job at reporting infections than the Thais.

A few Asian countries like Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Philippines are doing a "poor job" at reporting the virus but I don't think Thailand is one of them. Thai all wear their masks if they can get their hands on one so not to spread the virus but how many Europeans or Americans walk around everywhere with a mask on? I was in Chicago last week and not a single non-Asian was wearing a mask. Germany's active cases doubled overnight to 545.

imo Thailand is doing the responsible thing. They want to know where to find you for the 14 day period after your arrival so they can contact you in case there may have been a chance you were infected like on your plane or an outbreak that happened at a connecting airport.

Beijing4987

03-05-20, 23:28

Is it time for a separate thread concerning the newest and subsequent viruses?

Member #4698

03-06-20, 04:09

Syzygies

03-06-20, 04:31

The Immigration Officer will see 2 immediate things which are your passport and your Arrival Card. My guess would be if either of these are from a restricted entry country you will be under quarantine protocol. This includes a connecting flight from Taiwan since the Arrival Card shows the last flight you took before arrival to Thailand.

A few Asian countries like Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Philippines are doing a "poor job" at reporting the virus but I don't think Thailand is one of them. Thai all wear their masks if they can get their hands on one so not to spread the virus but how many Europeans or Americans walk around everywhere with a mask on? I was in Chicago last week and not a single non-Asian was wearing a mask. Germany's active cases doubled overnight to 545.

imo Thailand is doing the responsible thing. They want to know where to find you for the 14 day period after your arrival so they can contact you in case there may have been a chance you were infected like on your plane or an outbreak that happened at a connecting airport.Top experts agree there is little point to wearing a mask if you are feeling well. It becomes ineffective after a fairly short time, due to moisture. Washing hands and not touching the face is a far more important measure.

So wearing a mask could identify yourself as sick, or not so smart, or feeling prejudice from non-Asians (assumed to be carriers). If it can effectively stop people from touching their face, it would have a use, but I doubt that somewhat. Maybe we should all wear gloves to remind us not to touch the face. My Thai Mrs has several masks of different types. They could be useful in former times against dust, bugs, smoke (slightly) etc. I suspect I will have to take one of these to keep her happy.

Meanwhile thanks for the warning. I had planned to fly to a remote province on return from Germany. That is looking a bit unlikely now. Might well be disallowed. I might be asked to hole up in a Bangkok Hotel, and no room cleaning service.

The Mrs. Keeps me informed of the total bullshit rumours too. Some are quite funny, like this Corana Virus was manufactured from HIV and other viruses combined, ha ha. Some how that was distorted result of minor DNA similarities and the way virus attacks human cells. Also that USA naturally must have had a major hand in getting this virus out there, including being a party to the Wuhan lab releasing it. These silly rumours must be circulating in Thai media I guess, some originate from dumb politicians. Mrs also seems to believe the Planet Nibiru exists and has had major influence on earth's natural disasters, like floods. She tells me all sorts of things, and I am surprised she thinks I could believe any of it. She knows I am a big skeptic type. Hard enough to even nod a yes to her when hearing about Buddhist re-incarnations in the next life.

I usually catch some sort of virus after a long flight, more often than not, so I expect to be slightly unwell with a normal cold after long flights. Takes a long time to test properly for the new one (e. G. 24 hours), so I don't know how they evaluate who should be tested. I had a sore throat the day before yesterday, 2. 5 days after flights, but so what?

Is this Corona going to be as bad as former Flu pandemics like the Spanish flu 1918 to 1920? Seems unlikely since it was reported to have killed about 1. 7% of the worlds population with death rate of 2 to 3%. Surely modern methods will contain this one better and make it more survivable for the otherwise healthy strong people.

I am somewhat resigned to the Thai fatalist culture, thinking that could easily catch this new virus regardless of precautions, simply because I don't have the option to isolate myself for a long time right now. Have.

Syzygies

03-06-20, 04:44

The announcement, dated Monday and published in the Royal Gazette on Thursday, classified South Korea, China, Macao, Hong Kong, Italy and Iran as "dangerous communicable disease areas".

No quarantine measure has been officially announced, but Public Health Ministry spokesman Rungrueng Kitphati told Reuters on Thursday it would come into effect on Friday.
So France, Germany and USA omitted for now. Hundreds instead of 1000's of cases.

Turgid

03-06-20, 11:31

"The WHO is recommending that elderly travellers and those with underlying health conditions delay or avoid travel to areas that are experiencing ongoing transmission of COVID-19. That is because the disease, while mild in some 80 percent of cases, can be fatal for people who are above 65 years or who have chronic illnesses.

That list of countries experiencing local transmissions is updated daily by the WHO. In Asia, it currently includes China, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia.

European countries on the list are Italy, France, Germany, Spain, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Norway, the Netherlands, Sweden, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Greece and Romania. Three countries in the Middle East are listed. Iran, the United Arab Emirates and Lebanon.

In the Americas, the United States, Canada and Ecuador have reported transmission of COVID-19 infections.

Only one African country is on the list. Algeria.

Australia in the Oceania region is also on the list.

Governments have also put out their own travel warnings. But this varies from country to country. ".

Paolo99

03-06-20, 11:48

Thai all wear their masks if they can get their hands on one so not to spread the virus but how many Europeans or Americans walk around everywhere with a mask on?Wait that the virus come in their own town with confirmed death cases and they will wear these masks as well if they can still find some of them.

Member #4698

03-06-20, 12:41

"No compulsory quarantine of visitors to Thailand" quote from today's BKK Post:

"Health authorities on Friday said they would not order the compulsory quarantine of visitors from countries hit hard by coronavirus, as the kingdom struggles to balance health fears with the needs of its flatlining economy.

The holidays of possibly tens of thousands of people were cast into doubt on Tuesday when the health minister insisted a quarantine of all entrants from China, including territories of Hong Kong and Macau, Italy, Iran, South Korea, would be imposed.

On Friday health authorities spiked the plan, instead "recommending" arrivals from the four countries stay indoors and report to authorities for monitoring.

"We recommend home quarantine," Sukhum Kanchanapimai, permanent-secretary of the Public Health Ministry told reporters.

Travellers from the four countries will have to "report on their health status daily", said Tanarak Plipat of the Disease Control Department, or risk "punishment" under the law.

Seoul blasts Japan's quarantine decision.

Growth forecast cut, Iran cases surge by 50%: Virus update.

Returning 'little ghosts' face quarantine.

A British man who entered the kingdom from Hong Kong became the country's 48th confirmed case of the virus, health authorities said.

But the number detected has remained surprisingly low, in a country visited by tens of millions of people each year.

Speculation is pointing at a limited testing regime in a country determined not to frighten off visitors.

Friday's announcement, for now, ends a week-long barrage of conflicting information, which baffled holidaymakers hunting winter sun and spotlighted the conundrum posed to a country reliant on tourist dollars and exports.

Thailand attracts some 40 million foreigners a year. But the impact of the virus has seen visitor numbers collapse.

The Tourism Authority of Thailand confirmed Thursday the country could see a loss of six million visitors in 2020.

As a result, the country's tourist-reliant economy has hit the skids, with the impact of Covid-19 crisis hacking back at already sluggish growth forecasts to as low as 2% this year.

With exports seizing up to China and other coronavirus-19 hit nations, experts warn Thailand is facing a hammer blow to its economy. ".

Ok, so the odds of my trip to LOS ticked up a tad today. Ha Ha. Stay tuned for what happens next week.

Margaya

03-06-20, 17:29

Daddy San

03-06-20, 17:52

My Thai-GF flew in from Tokyo / Narita to DMK in March 1 and was put into self-quarantaine for 2 weeks.

TheTank85

03-06-20, 20:06

I had booked my trip on Feb 20. After watching a lot of youtube videos of the scenario in Thailand o decided to postpone it. I am planning a trip in April. Hopefully due to the climate by then things should be back to normal. I just can't understand when the whole world is concerned about the virus how come tourists I Thailand are still enjoying freely in pubs and bars and discotheques. Also what scared me was what would happen if I get a freelancer to my room unknowing that she was infected. I'm damn sure the virus would spread thru contact.

I too am hoping for the best till April. Till then I am keeping a close watch of the situation thru posts and YouTube videos.

I guess we are on the same boat. If you would like to chat we me add me on wazzap.I am also planning to be in Thailand in the middle of April and leaving at the end of the month.

Would be great to discuss the situation and maybe meet up if we have overlapping plans.

PM if you want to exchange digits.

Rgds,

TheTank.

Banana Boi

03-06-20, 20:36

My Thai-GF flew in from Tokyo / Narita to DMK in March 1 and was put into self-quarantaine for 2 weeks.Curious to how strict they are monitoring her self-quarantine. Is someone calling her at a random time during the day to make sure she is at home? What are the rules regarding her ability to go buy food and necessities for 2 weeks? If I just return from a vacation my fridge is usually quite empty.

Franciscass

03-08-20, 12:18

Whatever one feels about the possibility of contracting the virus and even if contracting it the likelihood of it being serious there is no denying the effect whether voluntary or forced it has on the lives of people.

Going forward the big news will be out of the US where the response has been criminally slow with a head in the sand attitude about what was happening worldwide. Almost zero testing and an administration believing a miracle will blow it all away.

With over 2 million testing kits coming on stream watch out for an exponential rise in confirmed cases.

How that effects mongering here in Thailand? Fewer high spending yanks travelling depressing still further demand for services.

A semi-regular once or twice a month of mine who works the club circuit and the escort end told me her earnings are down 50% and she no longer refuses offers she would have laughed at months ago. Now she is a relatively expensive trick 5 k up for a couple of hours.

Girls working the lower end of the market such as Thermae seem from posts for some reason to holding firm to 2500 but turning down 2000 and continually later finding themselves going home empty handed cannot last forever.

Whether it has an impact on service levels is a different and I feel more complicated equation.

So good news for us ex-pats I guess even if sadly it's not for the best of reasons.

Samson6208

03-09-20, 02:30

Horatio

03-11-20, 11:36

Franciscass

03-11-20, 12:10

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way.Shouldn't be and for a mere 800 baht (2700-1900) very good value to avoid the hassle of hanging around immigration.

XXL

03-11-20, 13:27

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way.Too cheap and too quick IMO. Over here in Pat 12 k for the extension + Multiple entry. Plus (new since last year) a quick visit to the contact at immigration for a pic. Agency gave me the immigration receipts in case police question the validity.

Why didn't you post in the "Retirement visa" thread?

Regarding the corona hysteria, 2 links to put things into perspective:

https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-05/24/content_25442984.htm

So yearly between 300 000 and 600 000 influenza deaths worldwide and 260 000 road deaths in China (not to mention the wounded since the coronavirus leaves no wounded).

Wilbar

03-11-20, 14:44

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way."Gave him my passport and photo. " I suppose this is how "identy fraud" can start; better be carefull with who you give your passport to.

Mr Enternational

03-11-20, 16:54

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way.Yeah. It costs 1900 baht. Doesn't matter who goes there to do it. Easy 800 baht for him.

GrapeMan

03-11-20, 18:21

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way.There's lots of tourist / travel places that offer the service to go deal with getting your visa extension for you. Its usually more convenient to just let someone else take care of it for you, but you can always go to the immigration office and do it yourself if you care about saving like 500 baht or so in exchange for a few hours of time, effort, and travel.

Crocodilexp

03-11-20, 21:39

Yeah. It costs 1900 baht. Doesn't matter who goes there to do it. Easy 800 baht for him.That's a fair price, I think. In Bangkok, I'd happily pay 800 baht to avoid wasting 6-7 h at Chaengwattana. Just the taxi there and back would cost 300-400.

TurdyCurdyOne

03-12-20, 04:38

Yeah. It costs 1900 baht. Doesn't matter who goes there to do it. Easy 800 baht for him.I talked to a guy who had been in Thailand for years and got his visa renewed under the table ignoring any and all restrictions. Your dealing with a corrupt country after all.

BTW Mr. Enternational, did you used to be an airline pilot?

Banana Boi

03-12-20, 09:57

Visa on Arrival (VoA) will be suspended for nationals of all 19 countries and territories previously eligible, including Bulgaria, Bhutan, China, Cyprus, Ethiopia, Fiji, Georgia, India, Kazakhstan, Malta, Mexico, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Uzbekistan, and Vanuatu, according to a list provided to reporters by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Visa exemptions will be canceled for South Korea, Italy and Hong KongTake note if you are from one of the affected 22 countries.

all foreign tourists arriving at all international airports in Thailand will be required to download an AOT Airports application onto their mobile phones

Once the app is downloaded, they will have to fill in the required information - name, surname, passport ID , mobile phone number, e-mail address and present them to the immigration officials on duty . The information will be stored for 14 days after arrival.Download the App if you're going to Thailand.

Franciscass

03-12-20, 12:37

The guy at the desk at the gym I go to said he could get my visa extension from the immigration office for me and save me the trip. I paid him 2700 baht yesterday. Gave him my passport and photo. I got it back today. I wasnt aware things could be done this way.Just a word of caution on using a broker. I don't know if it's legit to use one to extend a retirement visa but I was under the impression you had to do this in person. If not then no worries. However is there is any hanky panky going on!!

15 years or so ago before I got my retirement visa I used a broker who when he had collected enough passports got the train to the Malaysian border and had all the passports stamped as going in and out of the country so a new visa for 2 months with another month extension at immigration I. E 3 months till the need to do it again.

All good until a guy called Hambali with links to al Qaeda was nicked with a passport that had taken advantage of this "short cut". What followed was a certain amount of chaotic confusion where anybody who had a stamp from a certain official at the border was unsure what to do and whether they were likely to be questioned about how they got it.

Passports were suddenly lost, stolen, misplaced chewed by the dog or maybe the buffalo and embassies never had so many submissions for new passports.

I never found out if the panic was actually justified but I now pretty much follow the letter of the law when it comes to immigration which for extension of retirement visa plus a reentry permit basically takes me a day at Chang Wattana. If I could use a broker and pay him or her 800 knowing it is perfectly legit I would do so in a heartbeat.

So does anybody know for sure I. E. 100% if one can use a broker and avoid the hassle of going in person.

RioHeart

03-13-20, 04:18

Take note if you are from one of the affected 22 countries.

Download the App if you're going to Thailand.US citizen here. Just flew from Ho Chi Minh to BKK yesterday. It took all of 15 minutes to clear customs. Plane was 3/4 full but no line at customs. No one checked my temp. No one asked me where I've been. No forms or apps to download. No one even asked me a question. So must not be up and running yet? My luck I was seated next to an Italian couple on the plane. Not sure if they had a problem at customs.

I am feeling perfect but have decided to self quarantine for 72 hours just to be on the safe side. I'm in an apartment near Soi 13. May go back to Nha Trang Vietnam and wait all of this out. Paradise there and didn't want to leave but Visa expired. Just use common sense. BTW I don't wear a flimsy paper mask. Observed all the people wearing masks on the train from the airport and noticed all of them fiddling with their masks multiple times. And that's exactly what you don't want to do. Putting your hands near your mouth!

Tcvve

03-13-20, 14:38

Hi.

Is this true, some currency exchange boots in Thailand are temporarily suspending it's currency exchange service as a preventive measure against the spread of Convid-19?

Member #4698

03-13-20, 18:49

Not great news for those of us still planning to visit in the spring of the year of the Corona. I don't know how the Thai Government expects to enforce this eddict. From what I hear their downloadable Visitor Reporting App doesn't work. So I assume visitors from countries with on going local transmissions like the USA, UK, France ect will just fill out Form T8 and that's that ie do what you like, go where you want to go without reporting back.

In any case, I now rate the odds of my flight being cancelled at 50%. Sometimes you can't fight the system and it is useless to try. So if my flight is cancelled, I will rebook for late August after this Wuhan Virus is gone or rather after the worldwide panic subsides.

Tcvve

03-13-20, 20:13

Member #4698

03-13-20, 20:21

Asiana Airlines canceled my flight to Bangkok. After 15+ calls, I finally reached Asiana reservation and they found me another flight carrier (Thai Airways) within their Star Alliance program.

Tried to attached copy of T8 form, but it exceed size limit. TC.Hi TC. I have attached a pdf of the T8 form. I am sure that the airlines or Thai customs will give this form to new arrivals, but it may save you some time to have it filled out and ready to go.

In addition, watch this true life video. This happened today in New Rochelle, NY. Things are getting pretty crazy in the USA. 555.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w

Mr Enternational

03-13-20, 20:49

Is this true, some currency exchange boots in Thailand are temporarily suspending it's currency exchange service as a preventive measure against the spread of Convid-19?I know Kasikorn did. I don't know about any others.

Banana Boi

03-13-20, 22:21

Tcvve

03-14-20, 00:42

Hi TC. I have attached a pdf of the T8 form. I am sure that the airlines or Thai customs will give this form to new arrivals, but it may save you some time to have it filled out and ready to go.

In addition, watch this true life video. This happened today in New Rochelle, NY. Things are getting pretty crazy in the USA. 555.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81wNew Rochelle currently has 126 cases and rising. It wouldn't surprise me if someone actually goes "homicidal" after being cough on.

I live in New York city.

It's like a ghost town here. Subway cars practically empty.

Went to Champs Sporting Goods to pick up sweat pants (at 10 Times Square) around Noon. Temp upper 60's.

Very few people walking around & about. I think many people are working from home today. TC.

LittleBigMan

03-14-20, 01:58

I know Kasikorn did. I don't know about any others.No problem, plenty of takers at T. T. Exchange and the rate is better!

Banana Boi

03-14-20, 06:54

Thailand's Deputy Prime Minister called "farangs" dirty people who don't shower.

He blamed them for fleeing Europe and coming to Thailand potentially spreading the Covid-19 virus.

He advised his countryfolk to avoid them especially as "not a single one was wearing a mask"

He advised that Thais should be more wary of Westerners than Asians.

Greetings from Thailand.

BlueBoyBlew

03-14-20, 10:35

Hi.

Is this true, some currency exchange boots in Thailand are temporarily suspending it's currency exchange service as a preventive measure against the spread of Convid-19?Yes I've noticed a few around town that are closed with a notice in the window explaining they've closed for that reason. However you can still change currency at many of the smaller booths. I searched around yesterday near Nana and found a group of booths (maybe 8 of them) on Soi Sukhumvit 3/1. They were all open. Also exchanged cash there today.

Member #4698

03-14-20, 22:23

I am still 30 days away from my flight to LOS and it is getting harder to remain optimistic that my spring 2020 trip is going to happen. The 1st real bad piece of news came out of the PI a couple of days ago. The Philippine government is locking down Manila and closing all the bars. No foreign arrivals will be allowed to leave metro Manila to visit the rest of the country.

The 2nd really bad headline is from today: Cambodia is now closed!

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30384094?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=internal_referral

"Cambodian authorities announced a series of measures on Saturday to halt the spread of the deadly Covid-19 disease after more cases were detected in the Kingdom.

Among the measures are an early vacation for schools in Siem Reap town and Phnom Penh, a 30-day entry ban on nationals from Italy, Germany, Spain, France and the US, and a ban on cruise ships and riverboats entering Cambodia. ".

So sadly, it is probably only a matter of a few days before the Thai Government issues a similar decree banning flights from the USA into BKK or shuts down the bars. A couple of weeks ago I thought my April trip was a slam dunk and it was going to be a blast to party in the spring of the corona. Now, I am really not sure it will happen. A couple of weeks ago I had Sao Paulo in mind as a backup plan in case United Airlines cancelled my flight to LOS. Now I think I will punt on Brazil and reschedule my Thai / Indonesian trip for late August thru November if it comes to that ie 1) my flight is cancelled, 2) Thailand restricts US citizens from entry, and / or 3) the bars are shut. You just can't fight the system. I now calculate the odds of my arrival in BKK in late April as 30%. But we shall see what we shall see.

Kerrstar

03-15-20, 01:23

In addition, watch this true life video. This happened today in New Rochelle, NY. Things are getting pretty crazy in the USA. 555.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81wThis video is a sketch from a comedy show. I saw it a week or so ago on a wechat group I'm in. If you can find a better quality video you'll see the writing behind the people is not English.

Member #4698

03-15-20, 14:18

This video is a sketch from a comedy show. I saw it a week or so ago on a wechat group I'm in. If you can find a better quality video you'll see the writing behind the people is not English.Of course it is a sketch. It is funny because there is an element of truth in the wild exaggeration. It kind of reminded me of the old Monty Python sketches and early Saturday Night Live acts with Murray, Belushi, and Aykroyd when that show used to be wild & crazy and fun to watch.

Robert Long

03-15-20, 14:34

US citizen here. Just flew from Ho Chi Minh to BKK yesterday. It took all of 15 minutes to clear customs. Plane was 3/4 full but no line at customs. No one checked my temp. No one asked me where I've been. No forms or apps to download. No one even asked me a question. So must not be up and running yet? My luck I was seated next to an Italian couple on the plane. Not sure if they had a problem at customs.

I am feeling perfect but have decided to self quarantine for 72 hours just to be on the safe side. I'm in an apartment near Soi 13. May go back to Nha Trang Vietnam and wait all of this out. Paradise there and didn't want to leave but Visa expired. Just use common sense. BTW I don't wear a flimsy paper mask. Observed all the people wearing masks on the train from the airport and noticed all of them fiddling with their masks multiple times. And that's exactly what you don't want to do. Putting your hands near your mouth!After departure for the plane and walking to immigration a lady ask me to remove my hat and carry it. She said the scanners need to check my temp. So we are being monitored.

When I arrived at Phuket the police were scanning each persons temp. Also from what I have heard the convin19 virus is very large and that presently all the masks are ok for use against passage.

Chinese are already healing from the convin19 flu and are going back to work. It's a bad flu but not a plague.

Franciscass

03-15-20, 16:15

I began feeling the virus was completely overblown as a threat and I'm still sanguine that its going to be contained and not pose a risk to the average Joe but I am no longer seeing it it as just another flu. The following shows it is not a normal flu and if it spreads to any sizable chunk of the population od a country its f**king serious shit.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and others have said, COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu. It's deadlier for young adults. It's deadlier for older adults. In China, early data shows that it was 10 times deadlier.

The flu kills less than 1% of infected people who are over age 65. By comparison, in China, COVID-19 killed 8% of those infected who were 70-79 and almost 15% of those infected who were age 80 or older. That's a staggering difference.

Even for younger people, the difference was striking. Flu killed. 02% of infected patients age 18-49. It's 10 times that for COVID-19.

In other countries, such as South Korea, the death rate has been far lower.

But if 1 in 12 people age 70-79 who get the virus and 1 in 7 people age 80 or older who get the virus die, and the virus spreads to 20%, 40% or 70% of the population, we're talking massive death tolls, the likes of which we have never seen before in our lives.

"I mean, people always say, well, the flu does this, the flu does that," Fauci said Wednesday during congressional testimony. "The flu has a mortality of 0. 1%. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That's the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this. "

Kerrstar

03-16-20, 06:01

It kind of reminded me of the old Monty Python sketches and early Saturday Night Live acts with Murray, Belushi, and Aykroyd when that show used to be wild & crazy and fun to watch.I think the "Bring out your dead" part from Monty Python and the Holy Grail is the most appropriate sketch now.

Kerrstar

03-16-20, 06:08

I began feeling the virus was completely overblown as a threat and I'm still sanguine that its going to be contained and not pose a risk to the average Joe but I am no longer seeing it it as just another flu. I think this is closer to a normal flu than something like Ebola or other hemorrhagic type fever. Flu does have a low mortality rate compared to Covid 19, but I think a lot of people are catching Covid but are asymptomatic. If not, it's difficult to explain how some people are catcing it without any cotach with anyone with symptoms.

I don't know what the depth rate for flu is in China but 52% of men smoke vs 3% of women, and the death toll in China has been skewed towards men. Wuhan gets pretty cold over winter and most of the houses are not properly insulated or heated, I lived there until mid January.

Franciscass

03-16-20, 07:12

I think this is closer to a normal flu than something like Ebola or other hemorrhagic type fever. Flu does have a low mortality rate compared to Covid 19, but I think a lot of people are catching Covid but are asymptomatic. If not, it's difficult to explain how some people are catcing it without any cotach with anyone with symptoms.

I don't know what the depth rate for flu is in China but 52% of men smoke vs 3% of women, and the death toll in China has been skewed towards men. Wuhan gets pretty cold over winter and most of the houses are not properly insulated or heated, I lived there until mid January.Agree K. Its a respiratory illness which Ebola wasn't.

Death rate stats depend on the denominator used and asymptomatic infections are a big part of that. Agree as of now no doubt the common flu is more widespread and kills more people.

There is still a lot not known about then new virus but most experts believe it is more contagious and more lethal than the common flu. Ultimately total deaths depend on containment. Fortunately what we are living through will most probably limit the spread but an out of control contagion until the vaccine comes on line while I still believe is unlikely is nevertheless a scary proposition.

Stay well.

Member #4698

03-18-20, 14:12

Yesterday when heard that BKK bars & Go Go's are to be closed thanks to Wuhan I went ahead with my plan to postpone my April trip. It was not what I wanted, but you can't fight it when the odds are stacked up against you the way they are.

So after waiting on the phone for 90 minutes I finally got through to a travel representative from my CC rewards travel bureau. My United flight was purchased on points with a third party otherwise I could have just dealt with it online. The rep was very knowledgeable and professional, but it took him another 30 minutes to work out everything with United while I was puttering around in my backyard and watering my palm trees. But all is well now. I have a new round trip flight of less duration scheduled 6 months from now. I will receive a refund of approximately $150 representing the difference in the price United is assigning to the value of the flight even though I paid in points. So I am up $150 cash. In addition United is refunding the cost of my extended legroom seats that I paid for on the old flight, so I am free to purchase new extended legroom seats on the new flight. All good as far as United and I are concerned.

Next, I went to work on the 10 weeks of hotel reservations that I had made for my spring trip. Most of my hotels either allowed a straight change in dates or cancelation without any penalties. But I had a number of reservations involving hotel CC points and vouchers that required my time to reassign them with the help of a hotel agent. Again no real problems, getting through to the hotels by phone was easier and faster than arranging things with United. In fact a lot of my hotel choices are cheaper now so I will be saving money. Even the 2 or 3 hotels that I had a prepaid non cancelable booking allowed me to cancel and receive a full refund and/or reschedule. The only hotel that I am still having a problem with is the Mulia in Jakarta. I can cancel the reservation straight out without penalty, but the deal I have with them is so good that I really want to reschedule and keep the same price. But it can't be done over the internet so I have sent an email request to the hotel reservation department and I am waiting for their response.

So bottom line, all is well. My rescheduled trip is slightly better than the one I was planning to take in terms of it being overall a little cheaper and my new flight has less stops and a shorter duration. In addition, I decided to reward myself for all the corona BS by making my rescheduled trip 8 dalys longer. 555.

Franciscass

03-18-20, 17:02

Yesterday when heard that BKK bars & Go Go's are to be closed thanks to Wuhan I went ahead with my plan to postpone my April trip. It was not what I wanted, but you can't fight it when the odds are stacked up against you the way they are.

So after waiting on the phone for 90 minutes I finally got through to a travel representative from my CC rewards travel bureau. My United flight was purchased on points with a third party otherwise I could have just dealt with it online. The rep was very knowledgeable and professional, but it took him another 30 minutes to work out everything with United while I was puttering around in my backyard and watering my palm trees. But all is well now. I have a new round trip flight of less duration scheduled 6 months from now. I will receive a refund of approximately $150 representing the difference in the price United is assigning to the value of the flight even though I paid in points. So I am up $150 cash. In addition United is refunding the cost of my extended legroom seats that I paid for on the old flight, so I am free to purchase new extended legroom seats on the new flight. All good as far as United and I are concerned.

Next, I went to work on the 10 weeks of hotel reservations that I had made for my spring trip. Most of my hotels either allowed a straight change in dates or cancelation without any penalties. But I had a number of reservations involving hotel CC points and vouchers that required my time to reassign them with the help of a hotel agent. Again no real problems, getting through to the hotels by phone was easier and faster than arranging things with United. In fact a lot of my hotel choices are cheaper now so I will be saving money. Even the 2 or 3 hotels that I had a prepaid non cancelable booking allowed me to cancel and receive a full refund and/or reschedule..Well Natty that is wonderful news. I was on tenterhooks hoping everything would work out for you. Hopefully this "corona bullshit' will miraculously disappear sometime soon but I worry it may just be a tad more serious than you think and your fall plans could be in disarray again. Hopefully not as I enjoy reading your chatty posts about how your universe is unfolding. Stay safe.

Tcvve

03-18-20, 20:28

Hi.

Just read this article (see below) USA has now been put on the list to show Airlines 1) Health Certificate free of Convid-19 2) Health Insurance of 100,000.

Anybody from US traveling to Thailand in the next 2-3 weeks. Will you provide your airline with Health Certificate and insurance?

My flight is schedule for April 20th.

https://www.tatnews.org/2020/03/tat-update-thailand-public-health-ministry-updated-covid-19-control-measures-for-travellers/

Sammon

03-18-20, 22:28

Next, I went to work on the 10 weeks of hotel reservations that I had made for my spring trip. Most of my hotels either allowed a straight change in dates or cancelation without any penalties. But I had a number of reservations involving hotel CC points and vouchers that required my time to reassign them with the help of a hotel agent. Again no real problems, getting through to the hotels by phone was easier and faster than arranging things with United. In fact a lot of my hotel choices are cheaper now so I will be saving money. Even the 2 or 3 hotels that I had a prepaid non cancelable booking allowed me to cancel and receive a full refund and/or reschedule. The only hotel that I am still having a problem with is the Mulia in Jakarta. I can cancel the reservation straight out without penalty, but the deal I have with them is so good that I really want to reschedule and keep the same price. But it can't be done over the internet so I have sent an email request to the hotel reservation department and I am waiting for their response.

So bottom line, all is well. My rescheduled trip is slightly better than the one I was planning to take in terms of it being overall a little cheaper and my new flight has less stops and a shorter duration. In addition, I decided to reward myself for all the corona BS by making my rescheduled trip 8 dalys longer. 555.I lost close to $150 paid to one hotel in Bangkok. All the rest including airfare was refunded. Agoda would not even entertain discussion about refund from this hotel. They said it is impossible to get refund from them.

Philippine airlines was more than willing to refund in full my whole itenary although they have not cancelled any of the flights I booked.

Most disappointed are the girls waiting for me mostly for the remuneration money wise. One is a virgin she says. Not sure when I get the chance to pop her cherry if at all. Well, I still keep in contact on messenger with all the girls but will not shed a tear if they found somebody.

Have to go back to the drawing board whenever the next trip happens. Thought of quick trip Sosua to release my monger tensions but with this heightened problems of foreign travel in USA decided against it.

BillionBill

03-19-20, 02:47

I lost close to $150 paid to one hotel in Bangkok. All the rest including airfare was refunded. Agoda would not even entertain discussion about refund from this hotel. They said it is impossible to get refund from them.

Philippine airlines was more than willing to refund in full my whole itenary although they have not cancelled any of the flights I booked.

Most disappointed are the girls waiting for me mostly for the remuneration money wise. One is a virgin she says. Not sure when I get the chance to pop her cherry if at all. Well, I still keep in contact on messenger with all the girls but will not shed a tear if they found somebody.

Have to go back to the drawing board whenever the next trip happens. Thought of quick trip Sosua to release my monger tensions but with this heightened problems of foreign travel in USA decided against it.Relax bro, now the condition is getting serious.

Member #4698

03-19-20, 18:50

I lost close to $150 paid to one hotel in Bangkok. All the rest including airfare was refunded. Agoda would not even entertain discussion about refund from this hotel. They said it is impossible to get refund from them.I had a reservation at the Sofitel that Agoda said I could not cancel without full penalty, but I contacted the hotel and they agreed to change my reservation to a later date.

Most disappointed are the girls waiting for me mostly for the remuneration money wise. One is a virgin she says. Not sure when I get the chance to pop her cherry if at all. Well, I still keep in contact on messenger with all the girls but will not shed a tear if they found somebody.

Have to go back to the drawing board whenever the next trip happens. Thought of quick trip Sosua to release my monger tensions but with this heightened problems of foreign travel in USA decided against it.So far I have only told my top 3 favorite girls of my trip delay. They took it like champs. Each in their own way said: 1) miss you, 2) I am ok / take care of yourself, 3) see you in August, 4) miss you. I will get around to notifying my 2nd tier girls later.

I don't know much about virgins. I met a beautiful cherry girl in an AC bar many years back. We fooled around plenty in a booth so I was floored, as in devastated, when she told me she could not barfine and why. Your virgin will probably be a more experienced gal by the time you see her, ha ha, which is not a bad thing if you ask me.

As to alternative trips: I think this friggin' pandemic has gone too far for guys like us to think about taking a trip especially if it involves the airlines and airports. The whole world is in lock down mode except for some college kids enjoying their spring break here in sunny Florida. I don't blame them for not giving a fuck. They are young and immune more or less. I originally had Sao Paulo as my back up plan, but I think Sao Paulo is in a similar situation as BKK & MNL right now.

Hopefully this thing will pass in a couple of months or we are all fucked.

Member #4673

03-20-20, 08:28

Visa run is not possible now as Thailand asking corona health certificate.

Franciscass

03-20-20, 11:57

Banana Boi

03-21-20, 07:11

Pattaya is dead for mongering.

I also live there for 4 years now.

What happens when Visa expired

Visa run is not possible now as Thailand asking corona health certificate.You advised me before you have lived in Pattaya for 4 years. Let me know which Visa type you are on and I can assist you. Thai Elite? O? OA? OX? B? R? EX?

RioHeart

03-21-20, 10:27

Visa run is not possible now as Thailand asking corona health certificate.Going next week to get an extension.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/phuket-immigration-offers-30-day-extensions-for-stranded-foreigners

EihTooms

03-21-20, 12:33

Gen Z gen why I am too sure what kids are called nowadays but they behave the same way we all did in out teens and twenties. Booze, weed, chemical, festivals, getting laid, it was the sixties, seventies man and we loved it. So it's a little hypocritical to decry their selfishness to day when many of them don't seem to give a shit about getting infected and passing it on. Absolutely no problem for themselves their immune system will see off the virus but it doesn't stop them getting it and passing it on to the more vulnerable. This is a highly contagious motherfucker and while responsibility and partying don't exactly go hand in hand they really should follow the guidelines for this summer break.I am waiting for the reports of widespread illness and death of grandma and grandpa in the outlying Thai provinces.

They closed all the bars, massage shops and many of the regular restaurants in Bangkok. Venues where girls and workers who would most likely have interacted with tourists that could also be carriers. At least as probable an interaction as for Spring Breakers in Florida.

So guess where all those Thai girls and workers have gone now that their places of employment in Bangkok are closed. Yep. To their provinces to violate the Social Distance recommendations with grandma and grandpa.

Mr Enternational

03-21-20, 14:59

So guess where all those Thai girls and workers have gone now that their places of employment in Bangkok are closed. Yep. To their provinces to violate the Social Distance recommendations with grandma and grandpa.And a lot of them are being put in quarantine. I just picked up a girl on Tinder that is in Pattaya. Long story but she works in Malaysia and came to Thailand to renew her passport. Her mom said if she comes to her hometown she will have to do 14 day quarantine at the temple.

Franciscass

03-22-20, 07:48

I am waiting for the reports of widespread illness and death of grandma and grandpa in the outlying Thai provinces.

They closed all the bars, massage shops and many of the regular restaurants in Bangkok. Venues where girls and workers who would most likely have interacted with tourists that could also be carriers. At least as probable an interaction as for Spring Breakers in Florida.

So guess where all those Thai girls and workers have gone now that their places of employment in Bangkok are closed. Yep. To their provinces to violate the Social Distance recommendations with grandma and grandpa.Hopefully I'm wrong but with testing almost non existent outside Bangkok and here costing 6000 baht which puts it outside the reach of most people the incidences of infection are I feel grossly understated. We are already seeing in the daily numbers the beginning of the wave. How long before it crests and how we get by without restaurants and nightlife will be the challenge. Fortunately ET like yourself I have my little black book to keep me going but I will miss the outdoor strolls looking for the hidden gems.

Berrys66

03-22-20, 17:09

Agree K. Its a respiratory illness which Ebola wasn't.

Death rate stats depend on the denominator used and asymptomatic infections are a big part of that. Agree as of now no doubt the common flu is more widespread and kills more people.

There is still a lot not known about then new virus but most experts believe it is more contagious and more lethal than the common flu. Ultimately total deaths depend on containment. Fortunately what we are living through will most probably limit the spread but an out of control contagion until the vaccine comes on line while I still believe is unlikely is nevertheless a scary proposition.

Stay well.Allegedly Chinese have the cure.

Syzygies

03-23-20, 03:41

Hopefully I'm wrong but with testing almost non existent outside Bangkok and here costing 6000 baht which puts it outside the reach of most people the incidences of infection are I feel grossly understated. We are already seeing in the daily numbers the beginning of the wave. How long before it crests and how we get by without restaurants and nightlife will be the challenge. Fortunately ET like yourself I have my little black book to keep me going but I will miss the outdoor strolls looking for the hidden gems.Nope, you are not wrong. Figures quoted have to be greatly understated. Figures through much of SE Asia cannot be trusted.

On one extreme you have Italy with death numbers exceeding the number of cases recovered. Lack of testing of mild cases means their death rate could well be over stated.

A country with likely more realistic figures is Germany with capacity to test 160000 cases per week. This means most can be tested.

On other extreme we have Thailand which had reported just one Covid-19 death (when I checked). It is highly likely that not all dead persons are being tested for the virus.

Sudden deaths due to fevers in the country villages have long been common, precise cause not always known, exposure to contaminated water via an injury just one example.

So Thailand death rate due to this virus could well be greatly understated (not known). Its too expensive to test dead people. Who will pay? Old people are popping off all the time for one reason or another.

Thailand likely has little idea of true numbers of cases, whether mild or deaths or recoveries.

I know examples of persons recovered from bad cough and fever, yet exact type unknown.

Even if high heat and humidity is limiting the speed of spread of the virus in the air and from surfaces and then mainly from those breathing in the sneeze and cough spray of others close, it won't be decreasing the deadliness for those that catch it.

Learn to cook you guys, or buy prepared food and microwave zap it. I have long been able to survive without restaurants.

Always wise to have your regular contacts for a fuck, as long as they are definitely not sneezing or coughing and have no symptoms, its unlikely they will give you something.

Avoid getting faces too close to each other just in case. Getting a fuck is still realistic from a non emotional point of view.

Little point to enter Thailand only to go into quarantine.

Thai word for the day: Kak (sounds like Guk) means to be isolated or quarantined. "Kak dtun" or "Guk dtoon" on other hand means to hoard food, drink, or toilet paper etc. Many of us in Thailand of course don't need toilet paper, since we have the water spray guns.

It just so happens I have been having a holiday from mongering for a few months, so I probably won't break that just now. Not really relevant to the virus.

Turgid

03-25-20, 18:34

Gentlemen please follow the latest guidelines.

Banana Boi

03-26-20, 04:40

Thailand just closed its borders to all foreigners unless you have a work permit so if you aren't already in Thailand cancel your trip.

Franciscass

03-26-20, 06:07

Learn to cook you guys, or buy prepared food and microwave zap it. I have long been able to survive without restaurants.Good idea S. But if your skills don't and are unlikely to go beyond boiling a kettle no real need to.

Although I gather those in malls are totally shut down you can still walk in and get a take away from lots of eateries. I personally use the food hall at Tops Chit Lom.

Apart from the odd Pizza I was never much of a food delivery guy, prefer eating out but now that that's no longer possible I cannot believe how much variety there is in home delivery.

Food delivery services such as Food Panda, Grab Food, Lineman and others are terrific with an amazing variety of goodies.

Another alternative, divide your little black book into those that can cook and those that cannot and make their preparing a meal part of the visit. In my experience not all for sure but lots of Thai girls just love to cook for their man.

However you put food on the table stay safe.

GettingFedUp

03-26-20, 06:32

Thailand just closed its borders to all foreigners unless you have a work permit so if you aren't already in Thailand cancel your trip.https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1886270/emergency-decree-bans-entry-to-foreigners

"The decree bans all foreigners from entry at all entry points. The exceptions being shippers, diplomats, drivers, pilots and others permitted by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha. ".

"The emergency decree comes into effect at midnight on Wednesday {25th}, and remains in force through April 30. ".

This DOESN'T mean that the borders are certain, or even likely to re-open on 1 May.

EihTooms

03-26-20, 08:19

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1886270/emergency-decree-bans-entry-to-foreigners

"The decree bans all foreigners from entry at all entry points. The exceptions being shippers, diplomats, drivers, pilots and others permitted by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha. ".

"The emergency decree comes into effect at midnight on Wednesday {25th}, and remains in force through April 30. ".

This DOESN'T mean that the borders are certain, or even likely to re-open on 1 May.Also, it looks like a curfew has not yet been imposed after all. But, according to this report, if one is imposed it might be a rougher one than suggested earlier; possibly a 24 hour curfew. Damn. How does that work after the 4th or 5th day? Or do they mean one 24-hour curfew? Accomplishing what?

https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/advanced/1886905/foreigners-banned-from-entry-no-curfew-yet

However, Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam said a curfew might be imposed later if considered necessary.

He added that if the government does go ahead with imposing a curfew, it will be different from previous curfews which were only imposed at night.

"The curfew for Covid-19 is likely to cover 24 hours, with exceptions for individuals seeking medical treatment, those going to court or those working in broadcasting services."

Allover

03-26-20, 18:50

Nope, you are not wrong. Figures quoted have to be greatly understated. Figures through much of SE Asia cannot be trusted.

On other extreme we have Thailand which had reported just one Covid-19 death (when I checked). It is highly likely that not all dead persons are being tested for the virus.

Sudden deaths due to fevers in the country villages have long been common, precise cause not always known, exposure to contaminated water via an injury just one example.

So Thailand death rate due to this virus could well be greatly understated (not known). Its too expensive to test dead people. Who will pay? Old people are popping off all the time for one reason or another.

Thailand likely has little idea of true numbers of cases, whether mild or deaths or recoveries.I KNOW the reported numbers are wrong. Two days ago an American friend living near Buriram called me. He was in the hospital with the Wuhan virus somewhere in that area. He could barely speak and I couldn't ask him a lot of questions. That same night I went online to read how many cases were in the area. The area Governor (or whatever he is called) was reporting no cases in the area. Total bullshit.

Chacal60

03-27-20, 03:59

Mr Enternational

03-27-20, 04:19

Anyone have recent experience. Yesterday, today. With in country travel? A Brit who maintains a regular Twitter feed cautioned about checkpoints coming in and out of BKK, and urged us not to head off to the seaside.

I have papers, residing legally in Thailand, and a car. I want to know if I can either fly or drive out of BKk without a major headache!

I've got women in Pattaya and Phuket urging me to come see them.A chick was driving from Surin to Pattaya to see me. She told me about them. Also chicks that have left Pattaya to go to their villages have told me about them.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/military-checkpoints-set-up-to-monitor-domestic-travel?amp

GettingFedUp

03-27-20, 05:39

Also, it looks like a curfew has not yet been imposed after all. But, according to this report, if one is imposed it might be a rougher one than suggested earlier; possibly a 24 hour curfew. Damn. How does that work after the 4th or 5th day? Or do they mean one 24-hour curfew? Accomplishing what?No, they don't mean a single 24 hour curfew.

This weekend is being used as the litmus test for what happens. If people stick to the requirements (social distancing, not using restaurants as makeshift bars, not going out unless they need to, etc.) then the current guidelines remain. If people ignore / flout these guidelines then a 24 hour a day curfew will be introduced, probably for 3 weeks or a month initially.

I am guessing it would follow the UK model (only allowed out for essential shopping, minimal exercise or if they work in essential jobs). Donations to the Royal Thai Police superannuation fund will be collected from offenders, in Thailand not UK obviously!

Chacal60

03-28-20, 05:36

A chick was driving from Surin to Pattaya to see me. She told me about them. Also chicks that have left Pattaya to go to their villages have told me about them.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/military-checkpoints-set-up-to-monitor-domestic-travel?ampYea, been confirmed to me by other friends as well. My Phuket gal tells me the beaches are still open, but Thaiger reports that even that window is closing.

It seems likely I will remain inside BKK, mostly inside my own flat. Time for me to let my big brain to tell my little brain to quiet down for now LOL.

Chacal60

03-28-20, 05:40

Friend in Madrid can only move between his residence, a store, or work. I'll bet the latter has now been removed from the permitted reasons for being out. He's a foreigner but carries a letter in English and Castellano from his employer that he's had to show a few times. I have no doubt it will be similar here.

Keep your passport and visa page handy!

No, they don't mean a single 24 hour curfew.

This weekend is being used as the litmus test for what happens. If people stick to the requirements (social distancing, not using restaurants as makeshift bars, not going out unless they need to, etc.) then the current guidelines remain. If people ignore / flout these guidelines then a 24 hour a day curfew will be introduced, probably for 3 weeks or a month initially.

I am guessing it would follow the UK model (only allowed out for essential shopping, minimal exercise or if they work in essential jobs). Donations to the Royal Thai Police superannuation fund will be collected from offenders, in Thailand not UK obviously!

Mogwai

03-29-20, 10:23

Gentlemen please follow the latest guidelines.Google Translate does not translate the text 100% correct, so for those of you who cannot read Dutch (more than 99.9% I guess LOL) the correct translation is: "New guidelines. Make love safer than ever. ".

HorseTrader

03-29-20, 16:20

Google Translate does not translate the text 100% correct, so for those of you who cannot read Dutch (more than 99.9% I guess LOL) the correct translation is: "New guidelines. Make love safer than ever. ".555.

Now it makes sense!

XXL

03-31-20, 06:56

Pics taken today in a supermarket. Each fruit, each vegetable wrapped in plastic. This way beaches get an nth layer of garbage, and consumers poison themselves with phtalates and bisphenols.

Paolo99

03-31-20, 10:37

Pics taken today in a supermarket. Each fruit, each vegetable wrapped in plastic. This way beaches get an nth layer of garbage, and consumers poison themselves with phtalates and bisphenols.And it doesn't prevent them from being infected.

It's a big waste to do that because we are already supposed to wash these products before consuming them.

Franciscass

03-31-20, 11:56

Pics taken today in a supermarket. Each fruit, each vegetable wrapped in plastic. This way beaches get an nth layer of garbage, and consumers poison themselves with phtalates and bisphenols.Seems a waste of plastic. Good intentions but either way they need to be washed.

LittleBigMan

04-01-20, 11:39

I don't read all the science behind the virus I don't think anyone has the real answer to it even the experts' everyone is just kind of winging it especially here in Thailand. It does on the surface lot of work because most of the time in produce or fruit section what does customers do touch and feel them with their hands even it is wrapped it can easily be on the wrapped? If they don't wrap and you ask the customer to use a plastic bag while picking through that bag could also be infected since the customer grabs the roller and tear a bag off. This is the same I noticed when you go into the store, they take your temperature you get some alcohol gel and rub it on your hand then you grab that shopping cart handle not giving it a second thought it is dirty too? No real answer?

Horatio

04-02-20, 14:10

If the bars stay closed for a long time, say a year or more, would thai officials use it as a way to end rampant prostitution in thailand? I've read for ages that thai wants to change its image to more family friendly.

I know no one knows the future but many here read thai politics better then I do and might be able to give an informed guess.

Crocodilexp

04-02-20, 16:07

If the bars stay closed for a long time, say a year or more, would thai officials use it as a way to end rampant prostitution in thailand? I've read for ages that thai wants to change its image to more family friendly.

Indeed, that seems likely.

There are conservatives who have tried to suppress the prostitution industry since early 2000's (Purachai and co), with a fair bit of success; the scene is already much smaller than it used to be. The crisis presents a perfect opportunity to kill it off completely.

Even if officials do nothing and bars reopen in a few weeks (almost impossible), for a long time there will be no customers, except for a few exceptionally brave expats. Once the first wave is over, Covid will still be around, and PFP sessions are a perfect way to get it. International travel will be depressed for a long time. Until there's a widely deployed vaccine (1-2 years away), we won't get back to normal, and it will be some new normal.

Economic significance of the prostitution industry is far smaller than it used to be, and it's about to drop into the insignificant territory, so officials aiming to suppress it will encounter little or no opposition.

There will still be a few stragglers offering sex (most likely online), but I doubt the industry as we know it stands much of a chance to rebound.

Member #4698

04-02-20, 21:00

It is good to be the King. Now this is what I call a self-quarantine.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/king-thailand-isolates-luxury-hotel-21782942

Rodwint2

04-02-20, 22:32

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Stykler

04-02-20, 23:10

Mogwai

04-04-20, 08:39

It is good to be the King. Now this is what I call a self-quarantine.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/king-thailand-isolates-luxury-hotel-21782942

If the bars stay closed for a long time, say a year or more, would thai officials use it as a way to end rampant prostitution in thailand?
Does that include the king's harem of beautiful concubines?

LittleBigMan

04-04-20, 11:34

And why did you feel the need to post this on the Thailand forum?I see nothing wrong with the post right now it is so slow anything is good it is the general thread. I remember 15 plus years back I got my first desktop that is when I found ISG, I had no idea what was what today I still don't! I remember my nephew set everything up for me then it was dial-up didn't know anything about Virus or a need for a protector which most likely I got for the first year. Thereafter I noticed it was running real slow nephew came over found the problem basically using ISG infected the whole computer I was getting spam etc. All from ISG.

ISG, isn't the only site others have all those advertising porn that is where it comes from.

LittleBigMan

04-04-20, 11:44

There has never been anything like this that has affected the economy the way it has if the USA, in particular, is having problems just this week close to 10 million unemployed applying for unemployment benefits what you think it will be like in Thailand when so many businesses like bars and Gogo are operating on a day to day bases even before this happened. I wonder what unemployment will be in Thailand.

Right now I think vendors at the local markets are the only ones making money with their education system things will stay the same with ladies wanting to make money quick and easy now I see it worse the poor will survive they are used to not having much. Will the price be higher or lower hard to know but I'm optimistic that there will be a lot of new talent there is no way things will stay the same after this?

Turgid

04-04-20, 15:24

Does that include the king's harem of beautiful concubines?The law does not apply to those who make it.

Banana Boi

04-04-20, 21:28

Thailand has done 23,000 tests with 2,000 cases. Compare this to Russia who has done 639,000 tests with 4700 confirmed cases. USA has done over 1. 5 million tests.

The real scary country is Philippines who have done only 5530 tests and have 3094 positive cases.

MeatMan

04-04-20, 22:38

There has never been anything like this that has affected the economy the way it has if the USA, in particular, is having problems just this week close to 10 million unemployed applying for unemployment benefits what you think it will be like in Thailand when so many businesses like bars and Gogo are operating on a day to day bases even before this happened. I wonder what unemployment will be in Thailand. It's like this whole virus has knocked us back into the stone ages!. People can't do anything!. Sadly, this is going to get worse before its better. I want to remain optimistic. As of now, I'm at home in 'sex prison USA', binge-watching Bangkok 112, BKKHD and other Pattaya / Bangkok nightlife videos just to get lost in my thoughts. They do help in my mongerish ways.

Member #4698

04-04-20, 23:01

Here are my Corona Binge Watching Recommendations: Narcos Mexico, Ozark, Better Call Saul (season 4 & 5), Babylon Berlin, BloodLine (season 1), the Rum Diary, zerozerozero, the Saint (all seasons, but the black & white seasons are best - 555), Animal Kingdom, Sneaky Pete, Trapped, Strike Back, and Banshee. Enjoy - all good.

I would rather be in Bangkok getting laid twice a night, but binging helps pass the time. Tonight I am going to have a couple shots of fine Mezcal and continue to watch Ozark season 3. The Wuhan sucks!

Banana Boi

04-05-20, 05:31

Corona Binge WatchingHappy you didn't include Tiger King on your list!

I just started watching Ozark as it was recommended to me. Figured it was going to be a comedy with Jason Bateman. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Where's the light at the end of this tunnel?!Think of all the money you're saving! Imagine how much you'll be able to spend in 2022!

Dupont88

04-05-20, 08:50

The law does not apply to those who make it.Actually right now he in in an unknown location in baviera Germany.

Bavaria is the strongest region of Germany with the some boundaries aged 500 ys ago.

He have strong $$$ interest between Munich and Zurich.

Allover

04-05-20, 19:15

I would suggest Bodyguard, a five or six part series on Netflix. With apologies to my UK friends, turn on closed captioning as the accents are very thick and difficult for us Yanks to understand. It is one of the best shows I have seen on Netflix. It really gets good starting with the second or third episode.

Gargano19

04-05-20, 19:53

I just started watching Ozark as it was recommended to me. Figured it was going to be a comedy with Jason Bateman. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Well it has some elements of dark comedy.

Turgid

04-05-20, 21:09

........... As of now, I'm at home in 'sex prison USA' ...........Covid 19 has made the whole world a sex prison except pockets of Colombia, Mexico and Thailand.

LittleBigMan

04-06-20, 11:55

It's like this whole virus has knocked us back into the stone ages!. People can't do anything!. Sadly, this is going to get worse before its better. I want to remain optimistic. As of now, I'm at home in 'sex prison USA', binge-watching Bangkok 112, BKKHD and other Pattaya / Bangkok nightlife videos just to get lost in my thoughts. They do help in my mongerish ways.Personally, the free market will kick in, I'm pretty optimistic it will turn out better than before like they say " there is no gain without some pain ".

Rodwint2

04-07-20, 08:02

Personally, the free market will kick in, I'm pretty optimistic it will turn out better than before like they say " there is no gain without some pain ".As the majority of the people in the United States are discovering that there is little to protect them from anyone who wants to do them harm, because the police are not going to be around to act as your personal bodyguards as they believed, the Second Amendment is getting a healthy respect from many people as there is a run on firearms and ammunition throughout the nation. Everywhere, even ultra liberal states like California, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii, the US is finding that gun stores are recording record sales and, in most cases, have run out of inventory.

As the citizens of the US are finding shortages of basic necessities, they have come to realize there is really no meaning behind laws as those lawless persons exploit what ever advantage the can obtain by hook or by crook. So now they have realized that the founding fathers of this nation were very wise in providing the citizens rights like free speech and the right to bear arms.

GDreams

04-07-20, 08:36

Robert Long

04-07-20, 13:20

Confiable

04-07-20, 15:41

Mr Enternational

04-07-20, 15:52

There is no spike in crime. Matter of fact violent crime is down during this epidemic.Exactly. Because everybody and their hamster went to buy weapons and are now loaded to the teeth.

Confiable

04-07-20, 16:01

Exactly. Because everybody and their hamster went to buy weapons and are now loaded to the teeth.Fear sells. Paranoia and marketing. tiolet paper companies made a good profit also.

Mr Enternational

04-07-20, 17:40

Fear sells. Paranoia and marketing. tiolet paper companies made a good profit also.If the crime went down like you said it did, then it was for the best, no? I miss all 25 of my babies when I am not in the States.

Confiable

04-07-20, 21:07

If the crime went down like you said it did, then it was for the best, no? I miss all 25 of my babies when I am not in the States.NO. Your ordinary criminal don't watch the news. People were buying guns and ammo prior to the crime rate going down. Fear sells. People were influence to buy by the pyschological tricks and tactics by companies and marketers / advertisers. Today's technological information uses your personal computer, social media app, and cell phone information to formulate through an algorithm what you might buy and what might influence your behavior. They are using it in sports now but they use the term sports analytics to predict the plays a team might run in certain situations and its success rate.

Mr Enternational

04-07-20, 21:30

NO. People were buying guns and ammo prior to the crime rate going down. Fear sells. What?! Exactly. FIRST, many people bought weapons. SECOND, criminals stopped acting an ass due to more people being able to protect themselves now. Who cares why the shit was sold. The good is that there is less crime now that the shit has been sold. So fear of getting a hole put through them also stopped them mfs from committing crimes.

Seems as if you are against things being sold. So car companies have sold all of these cars over the years because people had a fear of walking. MFs sold a shitload of toilet paper because people had a fear of not being able to wipe their asses. MFs buy and use condoms out of fear of catching a disease. People buy medical insurance out of fear of not being able to pay for medical care if they fall sick. Not seeing what is wrong with buying things out of fear.

Your ordinary criminal don't watch the news.Who the heck told you that? I used to be an ordinary criminal and hung with a lot of other ones. EVERYBODY watches the news. People watch the news if they do not watch anything else. Now I think you are just trolling.

Confiable

04-07-20, 21:52

What?! Exactly. FIRST, many people bought weapons. SECOND, criminals stopped acting an ass due to more people being able to protect themselves now. Who cares why the shit was sold. The good is that there is less crime now that the shit has been sold. Seems as if you are against things being sold. So car companies have sold all of these cars over the years because people had a fear of walking. MFs sold a shitload of toilet paper because people had a fear of not being able to wipe their asses. MFs buy and use condoms out of fear of catching a disease. People buy medical insurance out of fear of not being able to pay for medical care if they fall sick. Not seeing what is wrong with that.Who said anything is wrong with it? You are agreeing with me. Violent crimes are have decreased because of the curfews that have been taken place. It has nothing to do with the amount of guns that have recently been purchased. Criminals are not sitting at home watching news on TV. A movie, listening to the radio or ipod, or some type of mindless TV entertainment, I would agree with you. LOL Trolling? For who? Poor excuse.

The Cane

04-07-20, 21:56

Seems as if you are against things being sold. So car companies have sold all of these cars over the years because people had a fear of walking. MFs sold a shitload of toilet paper because people had a fear of not being able to wipe their asses. MFs buy and use condoms out of fear of catching a disease. People buy medical insurance out of fear of not being able to pay for medical care if they fall sick. Not seeing what is wrong with buying things out of fear.Buying out of fear is a problem if the fear is irrational. Buying 3 months worth of toilet paper out of a fear of not being to wipe your ass is probably acting on an irrational fear hahaha! Oh and me? I wear those pesky condoms mostly because I don't want to have to pay for any "little Canes" LOLOLOL!

Confiable

04-07-20, 22:52

Buying out of fear is a problem if the fear is irrational. Buying 3 months worth of toilet paper out of a fear of not being to wipe your ass is probably acting on an irrational fear hahaha! Oh and me? I wear those pesky condoms mostly because I don't want to have to pay for any "little Canes" LOLOLOL!That's the word I was looking for and wanted to use. Irrational behavior and that is what is going on in this world. Thank you.

Rodwint2

04-08-20, 01:18

NO. Your ordinary criminal don't watch the news. People were buying guns and ammo prior to the crime rate going down. Fear sells. People were influence to buy by the pyschological tricks and tactics by companies and marketers / advertisers. Today's technological information uses your personal computer, social media app, and cell phone information to formulate through an algorithm what you might buy and what might influence your behavior. They are using it in sports now but they use the term sports analytics to predict the plays a team might run in certain situations and its success rate.Your statement that "ordinary criminals don't watch the news" is totally wrong. They watch the news constantly to find out where and when to commit their next criminal act or enterprise. They learn to steal N95 masks to sell on the black market. They run scams on people waiting for their $1,200 check from the government. Criminals are very smart. That is why there is "organized crime". The Mafia and Triads are not run by total idiots. It takes brains (and violence) to run criminal organizations.

You sound like the typical nitwit who thinks they know everything and everyone else is dumber than you. In other words, a liberal Democrat! I am sorry to disillusion you, but the world does not run by your perception of how things are.

EihTooms

04-08-20, 03:53

...
You sound like the typical nitwit who thinks they know everything and everyone else is dumber than you. In other words, a liberal Democrat! I am sorry to disillusion you, but the world does not run by your perception of how things are.Not to take a political side here, but speaking from all easily observable historical and current evidence, data and results, liberal Democrats can certainly accurately claim to be smarter than conservative Republicans when it comes to expanding and recovering a national economy rather than plunging it into the worst Great Depressions, Great Recessions, massive market crashes and job losses of the past 100 years or so.

So there is that.

Horatio

04-08-20, 04:12

It's great to see so much political squabbling here. I can't find it anywhere else.

EihTooms

04-08-20, 05:01

It's great to see so much political squabbling here. I can't find it anywhere else.Yeah, but you almost never get useful info on when, where, the best hours and how much it costs to fuck and get sucked by young Thai ladies elsewhere on the net. So that makes this site special.

LittleBigMan

04-08-20, 06:03

If the crime went down like you said it did, then it was for the best, no? I miss all 25 of my babies when I am not in the States.That is some good stuff a man after my own heart!

LittleBigMan

04-08-20, 06:57

As the majority of the people in the United States are discovering that there is little to protect them from anyone who wants to do them harm, because the police are not going to be around to act as your personal bodyguards as they believed, the Second Amendment is getting a healthy respect from many people as there is a run on firearms and ammunition throughout the nation. Everywhere, even ultra liberal states like California, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii, the US is finding that gun stores are recording record sales and, in most cases, have run out of inventory.

As the citizens of the US are finding shortages of basic necessities, they have come to realize there is really no meaning behind laws as those lawless persons exploit what ever advantage the can obtain by hook or by crook. So now they have realized that the founding fathers of this nation were very wise in providing the citizens rights like free speech and the right to bear arms.My comment and opinion " pain no gain " was about P4 P.

When it comes to guns, I've had my share so many spend a lot of time once a year in Vegas with my brother buying and selling. I support the 2nd Amendment, being an Asian American it was hard for others outside my race to understand why we had so many guns. Our lawyer once argue why is it okay For Hells Angel (Sonny be) to have guns but an Asian all of a sudden we are a triads drug dealer.

From my experience, many have no idea what the 2nd amendment was really about in reality it doesn't really apply today just like the bible when it was written. I seriously doubt when both were written they had no idea what it would be like today? Those who talk about the 2nd are living in fantasy land no one is ever going invade the U.S. not even China. The ones who rush out to buy guns now are the same stupid fucks who just loaded up with toilet paper at Walmart? The ones who deal in guns use it as a selling point but the ones I've talk and sold too are nothing but red necks, separatists, who have a hard time buying something from anyone other than another redneck. My brother use to laugh and say " It must kill the cracker to have to buy from us " we can debate this stuff all day and end up agreeing to disagree.

Believe it or not of course in general and experience criminal are stupid or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, which I consider in my case, otherwise, they wouldn't be doing time. You know the saying " don't do the crime if you can't do the crime " I've not spent my whole life in jail but enough to know the reason majority are in there because they are a bunch of stupid sorry MF! When it comes to an organized crime your got leaders and then a lot of soldiers because they are stupid they can't make it on their own so they follow and being in a group they are protected it is a form of social welfare? If anyone ever done any time you know you need to pick a side or you be picking up the soap a lot the biggest gay MF are the crackers they must be born with sugar in their tank! Just joking fellas!

There was a time they rioted in Oakland, prior we went to protect my Uncle shop armed to the teeth pulled the metal gate down spray painted a few words " you enter you will not leave " end of story! Looters are the most stupid and cowards of them all. Here in Thailand not sure if it will happen like in the West but I would never underestimate anyone when you do that is when something will happen? I use to read and see stories of robberies or murder here and come away how stupid can you get like the guy who robs the gold shop then goes back and sell it to the same shop. Or better yet the school teacher who recently killed a 2-year-old child covers his face but uses his father-in-law motorbike not taking the plate off returns it while the event is all over T. V.

Criminals here are stupid, I tell kids jokingly go to school get smart because of you too stupid to be a criminal. When my son was getting into trouble I said if you want to be a criminal here don't there is no money to be mad if you truly want to travel down this path I will take you to H. K. So you can at least make some good money. Whenever I see a farang in a confrontation I hear " I mafia " even I believe but then I pulled back and thought about it how the hell is he mafia? The guy can't even afford toilet paper to wipe his ass lives in a tin can house same with Muay Thai, many can't even afford a bowl of noodles yet they are going to pay for lessons.

In the end, staying straight and narrow under the radar is the way to go doing so you can enjoy all the P4 P one can handle if you have to stay like me that will keep you in the right frame of mind!

I got a 24 hour window leaving now for a 6-8 hour drive to pick up the family and bring them to Pattaya before we get locked down! See ya enjoy keep you head up life is good!

MeatMan

04-08-20, 12:37

Kev-In Thailand has sadly passed away. Not sure if any of you knew of his YouTube channel but, I would often gather as much info and updates as I can. Some didn't like his style of vlogging and that comes with the territory but, overall Kev was well-liked and will be sorely missed. RIP

CzarNicholas

04-08-20, 18:15

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/style/sex-coronavirus-questions-answers.html

Chacal60

04-10-20, 06:16

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/style/sex-coronavirus-questions-answers.htmlAt the end of the day, our five finger friend may be the only "safe" partner. Beyond that, it's Russian Roulette (with THAI bullets in the chamber).

Goatscrot

04-10-20, 08:30

At the end of the day, our five finger friend may be the only "safe" partner. Beyond that, it's Russian Roulette (with THAI bullets in the chamber).Depressing but this is our new reality. Thanks China. And this will effect the way providers deal with customers as well. This will effect the P4 P industry for a long time, even after we have a vaccine.

Turgid

04-10-20, 15:07

Depressing but this is our new reality. Thanks China. And this will effect the way providers deal with customers as well. This will effect the P4 P industry for a long time, even after we have a vaccine.Before AIDS I never wore a condom, afterwards I never banged a prostitute without it. Will wearing a mask during sex become the new normal? Will that even help?

The Cane

04-10-20, 15:14

Before AIDS I never wore a condom, afterwards I never banged a prostitute without it. Will wearing a mask during sex become the new normal? Will that even help?Definitely won't help those who just got to have DFK LOL!

GDreams

04-10-20, 16:41

Before AIDS I never wore a condom, afterwards I never banged a prostitute without it. Will wearing a mask during sex become the new normal? Will that even help?This virus is now endemic. If you go out into crowded places you will catch it within the next 2 years. If you have close intimate contacts with enough people you will catch it. Maybe they will have better treatment options but I doubt there will be a vaccine for a while.

Sammon

04-10-20, 17:59

Before AIDS I never wore a condom, afterwards I never banged a prostitute without it. Will wearing a mask during sex become the new normal? Will that even help?There are medications which will suppress HIV.

Covid 19 is a novel disease which means nothing concrete is known about it.

Sex is total intimacy. While HIV is transmitted exclusively by sex and sharing needles, Covid 19 can be transmitted by simply being close is what they are saying. Unless you wear a hazmat suite during sex you are not immune. Even otherwise you may want to dip your dick in Clorox after the deed.

Better to wait at least 3-4 months. By then treatment and prophylaxis maybe available. Sex us not enjoyable when there are restrictions.

Turgid

04-10-20, 23:30

............ Sex us not enjoyable when there are restrictions.I banged two lovely girls in an FKK in Germany on March 16. I got back home on March 19. After eight days holed up in my residence with no sex I called for some escorts I knew more out of boredom than horniness, the better ones were unavailable so I opted for a rather less than average one I had banged before. It was one of the least enjoyable sessions I have had in my life mainly because apart from the condom there were no restrictions. Thankfully, its two weeks now and I'm ok.

EihTooms

04-11-20, 01:57

Definitely won't help those who just got to have DFK LOL!I have only had one FL make an issue of DFK during this early stage of Post Covid-19 World. But I sessioned very disappointingly with her more than a year ago and never saw her again precisely because of her refusal to engage in DFK or even LFK with me. So this might not really count as a sign of the future. She is one of the deaf girls who stands in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot. One of the average looking ones among them.

Four days ago she Lined me out of the blue, said she had no money, no customers, needed to pay rent and asked if she could please meet me.

Despite my disappointing and aborted mission session with her before, I reluctantly agreed to see her this time out of a sense of sympathy for her plight and on the strength of my memory and appreciation that she had agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP that previous time. She was delighted, so relieved and thanked me profusely in 2-3 followup Line messages. In fact, don't tell anyone but I really wasn't horny that day and figured that if I wasn't inspired to fuck after she got to my room I would pay her the agreed upon amount just for showing up and DATY.

After I wound up the brief negotiation on Line about me paying her 1,500 baht for ST as long as we did not rush, we "boom boom no condom" and (something I failed to negotiate the previous time) we engaged in some kissing on the lips with tongues touching a little bit, she sent this message: "if lip kissing 2000 baht."

Then she quickly unsent that message. But it was too late. I'd seen it already.

I told her nevermind, that I'd seen that message and I was no longer interested in meeting her. All the sympathy I might have felt for her plight evaporated as soon as it was clear she was as likely to pull some kind of bait and switch or "new rules" bullshit in the room this worst of times (for her) as any hardened hooker would at the best of times. And I just wasn't in the mood to have that happen in my room.

Chacal60

04-11-20, 04:48

I landed back in BKK March 20 and was tongue deep with my regular semi-pro two days later. We are both behind the 14 day period, she has no income with the massage shop closed and (allegedly) no other man to support her. So she's eager for me to return to lock lips, DATY and covered FS. But I'm still reluctant.

I sent another regular a small amount by transfer so she can feed herself and her home bound family member (I've met them both, and I know the situation is genuine), so when this pandemic ever lifts she will be my honey pot for awhile.

These are times to lay low and cultivate your contacts for the post-Covid times. The profession never goes away, nor does sex, so I expect a phenomenal rebound. But maybe not until. July? October?

I banged two lovely girls in an FKK in Germany on March 16. I got back home on March 19. After eight days holed up in my residence with no sex I called for some escorts I knew more out of boredom than horniness, the better ones were unavailable so I opted for a rather less than average one I had banged before. It was one of the least enjoyable sessions I have had in my life mainly because apart from the condom there were no restrictions. Thankfully, its two weeks now and I'm ok.

Turgid

04-11-20, 14:43

.................These are times to lay low and cultivate your contacts for the post-Covid times..........Its probably safer to do that in Thailand than in the country with the highest number of infections and approaching the highest number of casualties in the world.

MeatMan

04-12-20, 00:28

Anyone care to watch some cheesy Thai prison porn movies during this pandemic?. PM me. I'll send a link. The women are kinda hot (plus one 'Tomboy').

Mogwai

04-12-20, 08:18

What's your hidden agenda? There is no shortage of basic house hold products or food. There is no spike in crime. Matter of fact violent crime is down during this epidemic.

Exactly. Because everybody and their hamster went to buy weapons and are now loaded to the teeth.The crime drop has little or nothing to do with the number of weapons that people bought. The crime rates have gone down all around the world.

This is a random news item about it: https://time.com/5819507/crime-drop-coronavirus/.

Just google "crime drop corona" to find more.

CzarNicholas

04-12-20, 08:26

What's your hidden agenda? There is no shortage of basic house hold products or food. There is no spike in crime. Matter of fact violent crime is down during this epidemic.

https://news.yahoo.com/were-catching-double-amid-coronavirus-162058505.html

Turgid

04-12-20, 16:34

.............. The crime rates have gone down all around the world.............True but spousal abuse, domestic abuse is up, also penile abuse.

The Cane

04-12-20, 17:10

True but spousal abuse, domestic abuse is up, also penile abuse.I wonder if it really is up more, or just being reported more? Who knows.

Mogwai

04-13-20, 07:56

Its probably safer to do that in Thailand than in the country with the highest number of infections and approaching the highest number of casualties in the world.I'm not so sure about that. I think the numbers reported in the US are more reliable than the numbers reported in Thailand. It's really scary how low the official numbers are in Thailand. It can simply not be true.

Mogwai

04-13-20, 08:07

True but spousal abuse, domestic abuse is up, also penile abuse.LOL, I wonder if there's a correlation between those three. Men stay at home 24 hours a day because they have to work from home now (or they got fired) and want to have sex more often. Wifes get beaten up because they refuse. Dicks get abused because wifes refuse.

Turgid

04-13-20, 16:26

I'm not so sure about that. I think the numbers reported in the US are more reliable than the numbers reported in Thailand. It's really scary how low the official numbers are in Thailand. It can simply not be true.You got me to undertake a little research. The population of the US is 331 million and they have taken 2,849,648 tests. The population of Thailand is 69.8 million and they undertook 71,860 tests. You just might have something there.

Banana Boi

04-14-20, 04:02

population of the US is 331 million and they have taken 2,849,648 tests. The population of Thailand is 69.8 million and they undertook 71,860 testsThailand is of the opinion that mass testing is ineffective.

Even with this mindset, Thailand has done 1440 tests per million vs. Japan who has 3x more cases and done less than half the number of tests per million. Indonesia has almost twice as many cases as Thailand and done only 27k tests versus 100,948 tests for Thailand. Brazil has almost 10x more cases and done fewer tests than Thailand. Even a very affluent country like Sweden who has 4x more cases than Thailand has done only about half the tests Thailand has.

Look at some of the European countries like UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, etc. If you take the total number of tests vs. total number of cases ratio, it's WAY WAY lower than Thailand.

Gargano19

04-14-20, 05:19

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-approves-experimental-covid-19-vaccines-clinical-trials-12639116

Mogwai

04-14-20, 06:45

Look at some of the European countries like UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, etc. If you take the total number of tests vs. total number of cases ratio, it's WAY WAY lower than Thailand.I think we all know that the real number of cases is way higher than the cases found by testing, simply because they don't test the entire population. In the European countries the authorities admit this. Do the authorities in Thailand admit this too?

Lefeu

04-14-20, 07:18

I think we all know that the real number of cases is way higher than the cases found by testing, simply because they don't test the entire population. In the European countries the authorities admit this. Do the authorities in Thailand admit this too?My understanding is that scientifically one is supposed to test a sample, then derive a forecast for the general population. For example if 10% of the sample test positive, you would then assume 10% of the general population would be positive. At least, that's what I remember from the statistical courses I took in college, many years ago.

Gargano19

04-14-20, 08:13

My understanding is that scientifically one is supposed to test a sample, then derive a forecast for the general population. For example if 10% of the sample test positive, you would then assume 10% of the general population would be positive. At least, that's what I remember from the statistical courses I took in college, many years ago.Theoretically it's correct. But in practical it will give just "sensational" results. I read some articles by some statisticians in early March, who "predicted" 10's of millions will die by this virus by June. Based on the sample size they used of people who were tested. But that sample is hugely skewed, because most countries are only testing people who have travel history or are already showing symptoms.

So if in a sample of 100,000 people who got tested, and 80,000 of those people had travel history or were showing symptoms or did come in contact with a positive case, If 10,000 of those resulted as positive case, we can't use same 10% rate for whole population.

Franciscass

04-14-20, 08:38

My understanding is that scientifically one is supposed to test a sample, then derive a forecast for the general population. For example if 10% of the sample test positive, you would then assume 10% of the general population would be positive. At least, that's what I remember from the statistical courses I took in college, many years ago.Most Covid-19 infections are mild or asymptomatic and in the absence of testing are never counted. Testing in Thailand is low (1,400 per M) and as a consequence the true rate of infection is simply unknown.

That said the number of deaths of those diagnosed with the virus and hospitalized I believe is accurate and being relatively low is good news.

But even there I do wonder if deaths in the villages and small towns of older people with existing chronic underlying health conditions such as diabetes or hypertension whether hospitalized or not were ever tested. Even in some western countries deaths at home and in care facilities from the virus are not counted in the official stats.

Being positive, it does seem we are either near the top or over the peak of new infections and getting closer to whatever the new normal looks like.

Will be interesting to see what changes if any there will be in P4P, in availability, in quality of providers, in service and changes in where it is accessed.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-15-20, 20:22

I have been confined to Paris at home since mid March. I had to cancel a trip to Pattaya in March and I had to leave for the Philippines yesterday. I have other trips to Pattaya planned in May, June and July but I don't know if I will be able to leave. I wanted to thank everyone who posts messages or videos from Thailand or the Philippines at the moment to inform about what's going on at the moment and also about the travel conditions.

I am also quite furious with the incompetence, the lies and the lack of preparation of all French governments since 10 years. France is the most taxed country in the world and we supposedly had the best medicine. The result is that we are managing this crisis by confining people like in the Middle Ages. It's just shame. We will draw the conclusions from this enormous failure later but it makes you want to bring out the guillotine. This era will be pivotal. It will accelerate the pre-eminence of Asia over the West.

I just learned that my Air France flight for May to Bangkok had just been canceled.

XXL

04-16-20, 04:26

I have been confined to Paris at home since mid March. I had to cancel a trip to Pattaya in March and I had to leave for the Philippines yesterday. I have other trips to Pattaya planned in May, June and July but I don't know if I will be able to leave. I wanted to thank everyone who posts messages or videos from Thailand or the Philippines at the moment to inform about what's going on at the moment and also about the travel conditions.

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I just learned that my Air France flight for May to Bangkok had just been canceled.I do not bank on any semblance of nightlife being restored in Thailand in May.

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Even in some western countries deaths at home and in care facilities from the virus are not counted in the official stats....

Quite the reverse in some countries like France (from what I've been told) and Belgium (according to the article below, if you can read French).

https://www.7sur7.be/dossier-coronavirus/la-belgique-est-elle-vraiment-le-deuxieme-pays-le-plus-affecte-au-monde~a1c773ff/

Belgium says they're counting ALL deaths in old people's homes as Covid deaths irrespective of the cause of death. This is official policy, not some shortcoming in the counting process.

Then you wonder why people come up with conspiracy theories.

Franciscass

04-16-20, 05:16

I do not bank on any semblance of nightlife being restored in Thailand in May.

Quite the reverse in some countries like France (from what I've been told) and Belgium (according to the article below, if you can read French).

https://www.7sur7.be/dossier-coronavirus/la-belgique-est-elle-vraiment-le-deuxieme-pays-le-plus-affecte-au-monde~a1c773ff/

Belgium says they're counting ALL deaths in old people's homes as Covid deaths irrespective of the cause of death. This is official policy, not some shortcoming in the counting process.

Then you wonder why people come up with conspiracy theories.I am come to the conclusion that people believe what they want to believe and follows their ideological leanings. Right wing versus liberal, xenophobic versus open-minded and so on.

They choose their TV, radio, websites, newspapers, politicians not on their reputation for truth but on what validates their innate beliefs.

An excerpt from a very recent article in the Wall Street Journal which even after Murdoch's take over still retains its journalistic reputation.

"Newly published figures show deaths linked to the new corona virus in the you. K. Have far exceeded preliminary estimates, adding to a growing body of evidence across Europe that closely watched daily death tallies don't reveal the virus's true toll.

Behind the discrepancy are lags in recording some deaths that can stretch to a week or more, as well as deaths in nursing homes and other non-hospital settings that aren't normally captured by rapid-fire estimates used to track the pandemic".

But who knows for sure, maybe just another conspiracy.

Mr Enternational

04-16-20, 05:43

I do not bank on any semblance of nightlife being restored in Thailand in May.NightWish chick whose crib I went to last night said they would open up on May 1. I laughed at her. She said the owner had the paper from the government. I said they might have a paper but that does not mean shit. I told her like Michael Jackson told Paul McCartney: You keep dreaming. I don't belieeeeve it.

Houston Player

04-16-20, 06:52

XXL

04-16-20, 08:39

I believe they will open May 1st unless the daily reported cases go back to triple digits.Everything is possible but it's difficult to believe by the look of things in Pattaya right now. However, water may soon become Pattaya's main concern.

Paolo99

04-16-20, 08:49

I am also quite furious with the incompetence, the lies and the lack of preparation of all French governments since 10 years. France is the most taxed country in the world and we supposedly had the best medicine. The result is that we are managing this crisis by confining people like in the Middle Ages. It's just shame. We will draw the conclusions from this enormous failure later but it makes you want to bring out the guillotine. This era will be pivotal.Nothing will change except they will put even more taxes.

These lockdowns came at a very good time for Hong Kong and France, protests were huge for months and nothing could stop them except that fucking virus.

Let's see how they can start again once these lockdowns are over.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-16-20, 11:05

I believe they will open May 1st unless the daily reported cases go back to triple digits.Perhaps the activity will restart in Thailand on May 1. I don't know.

Still, the request must also be there. Today Shengen area is closed until further notice (rumors says until September), China fears a second wave, Singapore and Taiwan despite exemplary management of the crisis note an upsurge of new cases and those of the USA continue their exponential curve. These are just a few examples, almost all countries have closed their borders.

Under these conditions I doubt that commercial flights around the world can resume in May. If we can move again in June it will be a miracle. Maybe if we find a treatment by then and that we can find it everywhere in the world (hope gives life).

LittleBigMan

04-16-20, 12:50

NightWish chick whose crib I went to last night said they would open up on May 1. I laughed at her. She said the owner had the paper from the government. I said they might have a paper but that does not mean shit. I told her like Michael Jackson told Paul McCartney: You keep dreaming. I don't belieeeeve it.Rumors sometimes they are just ridiculous but I think they will start to open things up on the 1st of May? When it comes to the Nightwish group the owner is pretty connected with the BIB in Pattaya. I've been hearing stuff along that line along with what I see globally talked about that things will open what is allowed is anyone guess but they will continue many of the CDC guidelines like " social distance " mask, take your temperature and alcohol gel? I heard from a Thai today a few suggestions that would make your eyes roll? Okay To have cockfights, bird singer contest, massages even Softball is on the list?

Every expert opinion I've heard when it opens expect the numbers to go up a bit (consider normal) but they will need to flatten or drop for it to continue.

LittleBigMan

04-16-20, 12:58

Pimpampoumpipo

04-17-20, 12:29

Still, the request must also be there..Sorry for the translation. I meant "demand". I think you corrected by yourself.

Chacal60

04-18-20, 04:47

I'm already here but my buddy's flight here on Emirates mid-May was just cancelled yesterday.

I think that those of us with feet on the ground might find a little more opening up of commercial and entertainment options, international flights will still be down. By May the working girls will be very, very desperate for paid companionship.

Rumors sometimes they are just ridiculous but I think they will start to open things up on the 1st of May? When it comes to the Nightwish group the owner is pretty connected with the BIB in Pattaya. I've been hearing stuff along that line along with what I see globally talked about that things will open what is allowed is anyone guess but they will continue many of the CDC guidelines like " social distance " mask, take your temperature and alcohol gel? I heard from a Thai today a few suggestions that would make your eyes roll? Okay To have cockfights, bird singer contest, massages even Softball is on the list?

Every expert opinion I've heard when it opens expect the numbers to go up a bit (consider normal) but they will need to flatten or drop for it to continue. As for the nightlife I see the GoGos being hit the most I'll be surprised 30% ever open again. I see BeerBars, massages and Gentlemen clubs doing much better?

Member #4698

04-18-20, 04:58

Hey all,
Currently, August round trip flights out of O'Hate are less than $600 during the month of August & September. What are your all's thoughts? Think things will be open for travel by then? Things starting to get back to normal?

I figure if anything, flight can be refunded, voucher given, or credit for the future.

Hope you all are well and staying safe during this trying time.

Warm regards.

Almond.Out of Chicago, so I assume you are talking about a United ticket. I rescheduled my original April flight with United for mid August a month ago. Mid August was the farthest out departure date United was willing to reschedule me for at that time.

Know one knows what the situation will be like in Mid August. If flights are still grounded I am sure I will be able to reschedule once again. But if the flight is not cancelled and Thailand has a 14 day quarantine period for new foreign arrivals I will most likely be screwed ie no refund or reschedule.

I don't expect Thailand will be back to it's good old ways by mid August. That is too soon to expect a full return back to normal. I expect many bars will never re-open although some will hopefully be open by mid August. Same Same for massage parlors. I expect many restaurants may not make it either. Social distancing & temperature checks will be enforced at all mall entrances, hotels, brick and mortar restaurants, and nightclubs. I do expect that there will be lots of available girls and not many tourists in mid August. It will be interesting. Adventurous Punters will have to be flexible and adapt under these unusual circumstances.

So bottom line I will go in mid August because I miss the girls and I am getting tired of living in the USA, but I will only go if:

#1. My flight is not cancelled.
#2. The Thai government allows American Citizens in for 30 days with no quarantine.
#3. Both BKK & Pattaya have free mobility intra city and inter city, and
#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.

Unfortunately all 4 of my criteria are big ifs at this moment, but I am somewhat hopeful things will work out and I will be able to go. I think that although Thailand will be a very different place in Mid August / September and definitely not fully recovered, I think it might be really great and uniquely memorable in many unforeseen ways in the immediate post Pandemic period.

Mr Enternational

04-18-20, 06:39

By May the working girls will be very, very desperate for paid companionship.What makes you say that? As I have pointed out many times, nobody is around here starving. Also, I have pointed out in a couple of reports that some working girls have already been desperate for even free companionship. Women crave dick just as much as men crave pussy.

Goferring

04-18-20, 09:49

So bottom line I will go in mid August because I miss the girls and I am getting tired of living in the USA, but I will only go if:

#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.

Unfortunately all 4 of my criteria are big ifs at this moment, but I am somewhat hopeful things will work out and I will be able to go....I can't speak for other countries but mine (not USA) is actively discouraging International travel. They have formally said that they will re-open domestic travel and flights well before International holidays. Our local tourism industry has been devastated by the virus and there is no political will to promote funds being spent overseas while local businesses are going bankrupt.

I'm expecting a long wait before I can head off to hunt LBFMs.

Enjoy. G.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-18-20, 13:04

But if the flight is not cancelled and Thailand has a 14 day quarantine period for new foreign arrivals I will most likely be screwed ie no refund or reschedule.

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.... but I will only go if:

#1. My flight is not cancelled.
#2. The Thai government allows American Citizens in for 30 days with no quarantine.
#3. Both BKK & Pattaya have free mobility intra city and inter city, and
#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.It is exactly the fear that I have and the conditions that I set on my return to Thailand (or Philippines).

My booking Air France / KLM Paris Bangkok flight in May was canceled. There are only 2 flights per week maintained for these companies. There are other companies which open about 2 flights per week (Lufthansa / Swiss / Austrian, Qatar.) but I still prefer to book with Air France these months because in case of force majeure only Air France will provide flights repatriation to Paris. There is flights still quite affordable around 380 € - 480 € round trip ticket.

For the same reasons for the moment I hesitate to change my flight and take another one in May. I am waiting for the news of the deconfinement of the French government but especially I await the measures of the Thai government.

There are still couple multi-company flights Paris BKK in April they are all over 6,000 € LOL.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-18-20, 13:35

I can't speak for other countries but mine (not USA) is actively discouraging International travel. They have formally said that they will re-open domestic travel and flights well before International holidays. Our local tourism industry has been devastated by the virus and there is no political will to promote funds being spent overseas while local businesses are going bankrupt.

I'm expecting a long wait before I can head off to hunt LBFMs.

Enjoy. G.It's the same in France. The President said that the Schengen borders would remain closed until further notice. Some speak until September.

But as I said before, flights from Europe to Thailand open in May. Not as usual, but there are. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that after the end of confinement date (May 11th planned in France), normally I can go to the airport and if I can go to the airport I can get on the plane. To my knowledge at the moment there is no ban on leaving the country.

The closing of the borders seems to be especially for foreigners who want to enter France.

The only questions that remain are on the entry conditions of the host country. So for me, those of Thailand.

Now, it is true that national governments will prefer that people stay spending their money in their country to get their local economy restarting. Especially considering the pandemic that there has been, the measures of social distancing this summer for example on the beaches, the closed museums and the cultural and sporting events canceled there will not be many foreign tourists to come to France this year.

Almond812

04-19-20, 02:38

Out of Chicago, so I assume you are talking about a United ticket.

#1. My flight is not cancelled.
#2. The Thai government allows American Citizens in for 30 days with no quarantine.
#3. Both BKK & Pattaya have free mobility intra city and inter city, and
#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.

Unfortunately all 4 of my criteria are big ifs at this moment, but I am somewhat hopeful things will work out and I will be able to go. Yes, I also have have hope things will work out. I agree with your criteria. I did also notice flights out of Indianapolis on Delta were comparable in price. I'm in a position where O'Hare and Indy are about equal distant.

Best.

David.

Crocodilexp

04-19-20, 19:59

I will only go if:

#1. My flight is not cancelled.
#2. The Thai government allows American Citizens in for 30 days with no quarantine.
#3. Both BKK & Pattaya have free mobility intra city and inter city, and
#4. The USA will allow my unfettered return.
These are sensible criteria, but it's worth pointing out that even if all 4 are true at the time you purchase your ticket, things might change by the time you're about to depart, or worse, during your stay.

Covid situation won't be resolved when the initial lockdowns are loosened. It will stay volatile, especially when it comes to international travel, for a long time to come, up until the point when a vaccine is deployed. People have different risk tolerance and lifestyles, and while some might be ok with the risk of forfeiting the ticket or being unable to go back from their holiday, many would not.

Gargano19

04-19-20, 20:16

These are sensible criteria, but it's worth pointing out that even if all 4 are true at the time you purchase your ticket, things might change by the time you're about to depart, or worse, during your stay.
Pretty good point. Once lockdown is over, whenever that be, and some clubs start to open and exptas and retirees and few tourists who are able to come starts to gather in clubs. There's a good chance of new surge of cases. It would take couple of deaths before the international pressure is on again to ban flights to and from Thailand. Yes, I am talking about one of the worst case scenario but it's quite possible. Don't forget testing in Thailand has been negligent.

I am expecting things to start open up by Mid May in bkk and pattaya. When will npe / cowboy / walking street and massage shops be open, well it depends on how much risk govt wants to take.

Member #4698

04-19-20, 21:13

These are sensible criteria, but it's worth pointing out that even if all 4 are true at the time you purchase your ticket, things might change by the time you're about to depart, or worse, during your stay.

Covid situation won't be resolved when the initial lockdowns are loosened. It will stay volatile, especially when it comes to international travel, for a long time to come, up until the point when a vaccine is deployed. People have different risk tolerance and lifestyles, and while some might be ok with the risk of forfeiting the ticket or being unable to go back from their holiday, many would not.You are absolutely right. The scene will not return to normal normal until a vaccine is made widely available to all. But I am a fairly adventurous guy willing to take on a little more calculated risk than many. I am also in pretty good shape for a guy my age, so I will go as scheduled in mid August fully knowing the risks if my 4 basic criteria are met. I plan to bring along the z-pac (Plaquenil + Azithromycin) just in case and I am also prepared for the possibility of getting stuck in LOS should the virus spike again while I am in country. Mr Enternational's entertaining posts of his life in Pattaya under the Corona cloud are a great read. By August the situation on the ground in LOS should be more open and free or I won't go/can't go. We shall see. Mid August is still a long way off.

KC Questor

04-20-20, 00:15

Pretty good point. Once lockdown is over, whenever that be, and some clubs start to open and exptas and retirees and few tourists who are able to come starts to gather in clubs. There's a good chance of new surge of cases.This is what happened during the Spanish Flu epidemic. After about 5 million deaths worldwide it started to subside and people thought it was over. They resumed normal life and about FIFTY million died in the second wave.

Chacal60

04-20-20, 01:28

This is what happened during the Spanish Flu epidemic. After about 5 million deaths worldwide it started to subside and people thought it was over. They resumed normal life and about FIFTY million died in the second wave.The slingshot effect of relaxing protection was devastating. We've learned nothing in just over a century.

LittleBigMan

04-20-20, 02:32

Not taking sides just another opinion.

I seriously doubt anyone really has an answer to any of this? Right now it seems politics is just as bad as the Virus when things do open up and it will the numbers will rise and then it will taper off but regardless both sides will spin it to their advantage.

A hundred years things have changed then there were no antibiotics nor there the research there is today. Most of all there was no global economy in which everything is so linked whether we believe it or not money today is what makes the world go around.

You have science vs. Economy is there a compromise not for a hundred-year past but for today based on today there is no way things can be shut down until a vaccine is found.

Member #4698

04-20-20, 02:56

there is no way things can be shut down until a vaccine is found.Right, there is no way things can remain in shut down much longer. We are in the process of killing our economies and thus killing our way of life. At some point soon all the world's various governments will have to open up their respective economies or face civil unrest. The good news is Corona is NOT nearly as lethal as something like the Spanish Flu and the hope is that the world's mitigation strategy has worked well enough that we can all go back to work following certain safety guidelines and not reignite the virus. But regardless of whether this mitigation strategy worked or didn't work we still must get back to work. The world survived, innovated, and began a sustained period of economic growth never seen before following the Spanish Flu scourge with no mitigation attempts whatsoever. History will decide if this lockdown strategy for this particular virus was worth the cost or not. Take note of Sweden's approach. They are the only advanced Western Nation that did not go into lockdown. Their government trusted their people to act rationally and in their own best interests. It may have worked.

GettingFedUp

04-20-20, 03:46

The scene will not return to normal normal until a vaccine is made widely available to all.Stickman weekly makes some interesting points on the future of the bar sector of the scene. He reports:

1 - Seven NEP bars have quit and handed back the keys already. They are London Calling (actually closed pre-Covid), Mandarin (closed pre-lockdown), Lollipop, and all four Rainbow bars. He also questions how many other bars can keep paying the rent whilst closed, and will landlords seek to re-purpose their portfolio of premises to non-P4 P and "persuade" those bars that still operate to surrender their leases?

2 - One bar owner has openly admitted that even if restrictions are relaxed in May he won't be opening because the custom just won't be there. The potential business from Expats only would not cover the additional costs (staff, utilities, etc.) of opening.

3 - For those hoping for an influx of herds of young office girls desperate to make the rent having been laid off, think again. By far the majority would go down the Thai P4 P scene rather than the farang / East Asian.

4 - Twenty staff of Hillary 2 on Sukhumvit Soi 4 have tested positive and are in hospital.

On point 4 I should emphasise that anyone who tests positive in Thailand is hospitalised (with the possible exception of famous actors). No information has been given on the quantity of onward transmissions if any.

However, if anyone thinks bars and gogos are going to be allowed to reopen any time soon, think again. The Hillary 2 and Thong Lor clusters will be cited as reasons why bars are high risk and cannot be reopened (my view, not Stick's).

In Pattaya a lot of weight is being given by the vest (singlet to some) wearing unwashed to the Chonburi Governor's aspiration to re-open "all" businesses from 1 May, but little regard taken of the caveat of "with appropriate social distancing measures". My opinion, for what it is worth, is that the view will be taken such measures are not possible in bars and gogos and they will remain closed by Govenrnment order for quite some time.

Franciscass

04-20-20, 03:58

It's a balance between lives lost and livelihoods. No matter when a country begins to lift restrictions the virus will continue to be infectious and deadly and people will get sick and some will die. The experts say the smart time to ease is when the infections rate drops below 1 that means each infected persons infects less than one other. Until this happens the virus is not sufficiently contained. The key to knowing when this is happening is testing, something with the exception of a few countries is woefully inadequate particularly in the US and UK. The metric to know how good testing is is not many tests but how many tests per capita. When to reopen should be left to science and health experts like Dr Fauci in the US and not to populist politicians who care more about being reelected that the well being of the citizenry and who were criminally negligent in downplaying the virus when it first reared it's ugly head.

GettingFedUp

04-20-20, 04:05

Take note of Sweden's approach. They are the only advanced Western Nation that did not go into lockdown. Their government trusted their people to act rationally and in their own best interests. It may have worked.Sweden's Covid deaths 1,540 (15.1 deaths per 100 k of population). Compare this to the neighbours:

Norway 165 deaths (3. 1 / 100 k).

Finland 94 deaths (1. 7 / 100 k).

Denmark 355 deaths (6. 1 / 100 k).

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality.

Does it really look like it worked?

Smoothy

04-20-20, 04:59

Sweden's Covid deaths 1,540 (15.1 deaths per 100 k of population). Compare this to the neighbours:

Norway 165 deaths (3. 1 / 100 k).

Finland 94 deaths (1. 7 / 100 k).

Denmark 355 deaths (6. 1 / 100 k).

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality.

Does it really look like it worked?There is no way to know if it worked or not yet. By completely locking a country down, they are prolonging the spread of the virus. Eventually it will spread. Sweden will build up an immune herd faster than these other countries.

The theory is that in the end, they will all be about equal with the exception being that the countries that went into lockdown destroyed their economies.

Stykler

04-20-20, 05:22

With all the talk on the forum lately I just have one contribution as to how things will pan out. Those with a healthy $ availability will flourish, those with minimal $ will flounder. Additionally, things will eventually get back to normal (whatever that is) but it will take some time.

Rodwint2

04-20-20, 07:57

There are all kinds of predictions of what to expect in terms of this epidemic. Some say that the summer will bring about a "burning out" of the virus and the immunities built up by those already infected. Others say that a resurgence will bring about an autumn outbreak that will mimic the "Spanish Flu" that will kill even more people. Speculation of an effective vaccine being produced will save humanity before the end of the year.

All this uncertainty is what is driving the economic decisions on the stock markets around the world and the business decisions by small business owners who will have to decide whether to call it quits or try to stick it out. All governments around the world either understand these facts and make the best decisions possible. Those that fail to comprehend these facts will make decisions that will have disastrous effects on their respective economies and citizens. That is how the real world works. What happens in Thailand is heavily dependent on the decisions that this government makes in the next 10 months. Add to the mix of the situation is how the rest of Southeast Asia handles their own situations. If no man is an island, then even more so for the communities and countries that make up the nations of the world.

So what is the point I am trying to make? It is going to be a wild ride politically and economically for every person on the planet. People will have to live with the uncertainty until the "war" with this virus is won or loss. A "win" is a quick discovery of a vaccine. That will be like the polio vaccine in the 1950's. The scientists who develop the first effective vaccine will be the Jonas Salk of this era. A "loss" would be a resurgence this fall that kills tens of millions like the "Spanish Flu".

Goatscrot

04-20-20, 08:18

Stickman weekly makes some interesting points on the future of the bar sector of the scene. He reports:

1 - Seven NEP bars have quit and handed back the keys already. They are London Calling (actually closed pre-Covid), Mandarin (closed pre-lockdown), Lollipop, and all four Rainbow bars. He also questions how many other bars can keep paying the rent whilst closed, and will landlords seek to re-purpose their portfolio of premises to non-P4 P and "persuade" those bars that still operate to surrender their leases?

2 - One bar owner has openly admitted that even if restrictions are relaxed in May he won't be opening because the custom just won't be there. The potential business from Expats only would not cover the additional costs (staff, utilities, etc.) of opening.

3 - For those hoping for an influx of herds of young office girls desperate to make the rent having been laid off, think again. By far the majority would go down the Thai P4 P scene rather than the farang / East Asian.Yep, it isn't going to be pretty for mongers in LOS. I would also imagine that the gov along with many Thais would love to get rid of the what they consider eyesores, and that is the GoGos and the farang P4 P scene. Especially in the capital city. GoGo bars are an easy target as are the oily massage parlors. Soapies have been dead in the water for years as Thai businessmen no longer frequent them. The gov will use this as a way to finally rid BKK of the sexpat and sex tourist. Regulations will be put in place that make it impossible for many of these places to re-open, even if they can withstand the lockdown financially. The scene will migrate online even more and as you stated the gals that can attract local men will have nothing to do with foreigners. The future for foreign P4 P in Thailand, Bangkok especially, is pretty bleak. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As far as P4 P goes, I would imagine Angeles City and Jakarta will see few changes coming out of this. HK will be the same as well.

Mr Enternational

04-20-20, 10:16

Some say that the summer will bring about a "burning out" of the virus and the immunities built up by those already infected.Which I don't get because it is already hot in places like Brazil and Philippines. How is it behaving there?

Franciscass

04-20-20, 10:22

Sweden's Covid deaths 1,540 (15.1 deaths per 100 k of population). Compare this to the neighbours:

Norway 165 deaths (3. 1 / 100 k).

Finland 94 deaths (1. 7 / 100 k).

Denmark 355 deaths (6. 1 / 100 k).

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality.

Does it really look like it worked?I have always admired the Swedish social model and to be honest I am surprised at their laissez faire approach.

I agree with you.

If using how many people die from the virus as the yardstick, when compared to similar countries the data shows Sweden has failed and continues to fail with no end in sight.

Covid 19 is highly contagious and until either an effective therapy or a vaccine is found if deaths are to be minimized transmission has to be effectively contained. This can only be done by social distancing, testing and the other measures in place most everywhere else.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-20-20, 13:59

today there is no way things can be shut down until a vaccine is found.Until a vaccine is found, a treatment designed specifically for the coronavirus or collective immunity (impossible to obtain with the lockdown).

So not for many months. Maybe at least 1 year.

Difficult for world economies to wait until then because it will be necessary to choose between contracting the coronavirus and to die of hunger in particular in the emerging economies.

We will have to live and return to our occupations with this active virus for several months I think. No doubt with new behaviors such as social distancing or the wearing of masks.

Pimpampoumpipo

04-20-20, 14:35

I would also imagine that the gov along with many Thais would love to get rid of the what they consider eyesores, and that is the GoGos and the farang P4 P scene.Admittedly. But it will also be necessary for the girls to stop being forced to provide for the needs of their entire family and for the men to start working in the provinces. A production of local goods or services will have to manage to emerge a middle class. This is not excluded of course but not for some time and certainly not in a collapsed and recessionary global economy.

On the other hand, the cultural and moral traditions in South East Asia are not as punitive regarding P4P as those of the Christian West.

I don't know if Gogos bars will survive but P4 P still has a bright future, it may have to reinvent itself.

Rodwint2

04-20-20, 15:12

Which I don't get because it is already hot in places like Brazil and Philippines. How is it behaving there?https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/southeast-asia-could-be-the-next-coronavirus-hot-spot-these-charts-show-why.html

Poor countries like Mexico, PI and Brazil are in denial. Not even reporting infections or death rates accurately. They don't care primarily because they have no money to treat any sick person anyway. One of the reasons the US has totally shut down border with Mexico. Only commercial traffic coming through.

Turgid

04-20-20, 15:18

......Those with a healthy $ availability will flourish, those with minimal $ will flounder......Same same as before covid?

Jimmy Boy 99

04-20-20, 15:31

Sweden's Covid deaths 1,540 (15.1 deaths per 100 k of population). Compare this to the neighbours:

Norway 165 deaths (3. 1 / 100 k).

Finland 94 deaths (1. 7 / 100 k).

Denmark 355 deaths (6. 1 / 100 k).

Source: Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality.

Does it really look like it worked?These comparisons are not sufficient unless you know the percentage of the population that has been exposed to the virus. If you assume that 50% of the population in Sweeden has been exposed because of their limited lockdonwn, then you would expect the death toll to eventually double when everyone has been exposed. The more draconian the quarantine, the fewer peope exposed, so the lower the current death rate per 100 K. However, the death rate will go up as all people eventually get exposed. So say Denmark has only 10% of its people exposed, with 355 deaths. At 100% exposure, you would expect 3555 deaths, comparable to Sweeden. Since you cannot get immuniity (absent a vaccine) without exposure to the virus, all the quarantineing does is stretch out the deaths and not overwhelm the medical system, not reduce the number of total deaths.

GettingFedUp

04-20-20, 15:33

The future for foreign P4 P in Thailand, Bangkok especially, is pretty bleak. Bangkok Post put the following article up a couple of hours ago https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1903640/ministry-floats-ideas-on-exit-strategy.

Some excerpts:

"At a joint meeting between ministry officials and deans of faculties of medicine on how to ease the lockdown, all agreed some measures have to be relaxed although a return to pre-crisis normality is out of the question, said Kamnuan Ungchusak, an adviser to the Disease Control Department and to the public health minister on the Covid-19 situation".

"High-risk businesses will not be allowed to open at this early stage. Medium-risk businesses, which manage to minimise risks, can reopen, he said. He cited as examples of medium-risk businesses hair salons, eateries and department stores".

"he admitted high-risk businesses, such as bars, karaokes, entertainment places and gambling dens, would have to be closed for a long time".

"However, if the situation warrants closures of more businesses in the future, the order will not be universal and apply only to problematic places".

"However, not all 77 provinces will go ahead at the same pace. They will be allowed to reopen based on risks and by area".

"Based on the April 14 data, Dr Kamnuan said, 32 provinces are free of infections. "So 3-4 of these provinces may be opened first by the end of April. If the situation is under control, another 38 provinces with low numbers of cases will be reopened in the following two weeks, or in May. The seven provinces where infections slowly spread but with no large outbreaks will be reopened in June".

My observation. Bangkok, Chonburi (including Pattaya) and Phuket are highly unlikely to be among the circa 50 provinces earmarked for partial reopening in the next couple of months. Expect more gogos and bars to be handing back the keys to their landlords in the near future.

GettingFedUp

04-20-20, 16:34

These comparisons are not sufficient unless you know the percentage of the population that has been exposed to the virus. If you assume...But we don't know the proportion of the populations exposed. So the comparison with the neighbours whilst flawed is the best available, particularly as they have similar climate. For a similar coronavirus (HCV229 E), which is one of the causes of the common cold, climate (both temperature and relative humidity) was found to be a significant driver of the half life of the virus in the environment (Source: US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health).

You then make all sorts of unsupported assumptions about proportion exposed in order to justify your initial conjecture. 68.72% of all statistics are completely made up in order to justify an opinion rather than to support a fact (Source: I just made it up to show how easy it is to quote numbers which have no basis in reality).

Since you cannot get immuniity (absent a vaccine) without exposure to the virus,You obviously missed the caution from the World Health Organisation that there is no evidence yet that previous exposure ensures future immunity (Widely reported BBC / CNBC / Bloomberg to name a few as part of a warning of future over reliance on antibody tests).

all the quarantineing does is stretch out the deaths and not overwhelm the medical system, not reduce the number of total deaths.But the whole idea of not overwhelming the medical system is so that equipment, staff and facilities are available for those patients who would die without them but might be saved with them. There is a big difference between "No ventilator, will die" and "Yes ventilator, might die or might survive".

Finally, as this is a Thailand thread, it was reported that Bangkok had a total of 120 ICU beds which they hope to increase to 187 by the end of April and 292 by the end of May (Bangkok Post 15 April). This seems odd when the same article says that there are 4,955 ICU beds in the rest of the country. My guess is that the journalist has tapped an extra 5 on the rest of the country number and the total ICU beds for Thailand is well under 1,000. But just a guess, rather like JB99's percentages!

Pimpampoumpipo

04-20-20, 16:35

Bangkok, Chonburi (including Pattaya) and Phuket are highly unlikely to be among the circa 50 provinces earmarked for partial reopening in the next couple of months. Expect more gogos and bars to be handing back the keys to their landlords in the near future.Yes.

There are the same kind of measures taken in Europe with the same arguments for the progressive reopening of businesses and those prohibited. Governments seem to take poses by posting the biggest ranting and the most severe restrictions to do like the others and not give the impression of being lax.

We will see how long these positions will last in the face of the economic tsunami which is being prepared and which is spreading absolutely everywhere (the WTI drops by -40% on the single day today because there is a lack of oil consumption for example. Hopefully they will not ignite oil wells like during the Gulf War so as not to have to stop production).

There is a gigantic wave preparing to take everything. And the billions of euros / dollars announced so far are just so that companies don't close immediately and people starve but don't guarantee the future at all.

We will see how the governments of the world (Thais and other ones) put into perspective the damage from covid-19 and those even more appalling from an economic outcry that they will no longer be able to control.

Banana Boi

04-20-20, 16:40

Sweden's Covid deaths 1,540 (15.1 deaths per 100 k of population). Compare this to the neighbours:

Norway 165 deaths (3. 1 / 100 k).

Finland 94 deaths (1. 7 / 100 k).

Denmark 355 deaths (6. 1 / 100 k).

Does it really look like it worked?

These comparisons are not sufficient unless you know the percentage of the population that has been exposed to the virus. If you assume that 50% of the population in Sweeden has been exposed because of their limited lockdonwn, then you would expect the death toll to eventually double when everyone has been exposed. The more draconian the quarantine, the fewer peope exposed, so the lower the current death rate per 100 K. However, the death rate will go up as all people eventually get exposed. So say Denmark has only 10% of its people exposed, with 355 deaths. At 100% exposure, you would expect 3555 deaths, comparable to Sweeden. Since you cannot get immuniity (absent a vaccine) without exposure to the virus, all the quarantineing does is stretch out the deaths and not overwhelm the medical system, not reduce the number of total deaths.If you look at cases per million, the numbers in Sweden aren't far off Denmark and Norway.

Sweden 1,463 cases per million.

Denmark 1,297 cases per million.

Norway 1,314 cases per million.

Finland 698 cases per million.

So Sweden has saved $10's of billions in economic loss for not much of an increase in cases per million and the loss of 1000+ extra lives. Harsh to put a dollar value on lives but that is what every country has to decide in the near future. Iran has decided today to reopen the entire country due to economic woes.

As long as Princess Tilde of Sweden is safe..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTAejTT3Iygl

GettingFedUp

04-20-20, 17:24

If you look at cases per million, the numbers in Sweden aren't far off Denmark and Norway.

Sweden 1,463 cases per million.

Denmark 1,297 cases per million.

Norway 1,314 cases per million.

Finland 698 cases per million.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTAejTT3IyglThe OP stated that "Their government trusted their people to act rationally and in their own best interests. It may have worked". Not that the economic benefit was worth it, but that the Swedish public had avoided each other without the intervention of Government. They didn't and it didn't work in those terms.

As to the cases conundrum why is Sweden's mortality rate (cases divided by deaths) so much higher than the neighbours? Actual mortality rate should be similar in countries with similar genetics, climates and health systems.

My money is that the neighbours are conducting more tests, finding more people little affected or asymptomatic (this is the German approach as well). Sweden may be only testing those that require hospital admission and key workers (the model the UK aspires to).

Quite simply if you don't look, you don't find. Someone snuffs it they get noticed, tested and counted (except in Old Folks Homes in certain countries). This is why deaths as a proportion of population is a better indication of the scale of the problem.

Dena0

04-20-20, 17:32

Right, there is no way things can remain in shut down much longer. We are in the process of killing our economies and thus killing our way of life. At some point soon all the world's various governments will have to open up their respective economies or face civil unrest. The good news is Corona is NOT nearly as lethal as something like the Spanish Flu and the hope is that the world's mitigation strategy has worked well enough that we can all go back to work following certain safety guidelines and not reignite the virus. But regardless of whether this mitigation strategy worked or didn't work we still must get back to work. The world survived, innovated, and began a sustained period of economic growth never seen before following the Spanish Flu scourge with no mitigation attempts whatsoever. History will decide if this lockdown strategy for this particular virus was worth the cost or not. Take note of Sweden's approach. They are the only advanced Western Nation that did not go into lockdown. Their government trusted their people to act rationally and in their own best interests. It may have worked.A change in our way of life is inexorably dawning upon all of us. At some point in the future <say, under three years , the virus will eventually mutate its way out of our lives. The question is how long will it take and how much of our herd will it cull. As somebody else pointed out in this forum, Sweden is no success story. Until now, the best expert advice seems to be that in the face of the power of exponential contact, the name of the game is social isolation to a point where we reach fourteen consecutive days with zero new cases anywhere in the world. Does not seem likely to happen from what we can see right now.

Having said that, I suspect Natty's pov (which is a mild variant of Trump's pov) will prevail in the short term and as a result, we will likely see another round of surge in the reported cases and the social isolation lockdown process might have to be repeated. Trump's position is hugely influenced by his perception of electoral impact (and to hell with the rest).

Smoothy

04-20-20, 20:33

As somebody else pointed out in this forum, Sweden is no success story. Until now, the best expert advice seems to be that in the face of the power of exponential contact, the name of the game is social isolation to a point where we reach fourteen consecutive days with zero new cases anywhere in the world.That's the best expert advice according to who? To the people who don't give a shit about the world economy and are willing to have lock down for years? If you live in a dream fantasy world, then that is a possibility. But here in the real world, all that will do is cause the 2nd great depression while the corona cases are stretched out ad infinitum. They will not go to zero even with the lock down. People will die of starvation (especially in third world countries), suicide or drug abuse from depression, etc if they can't earn money.

Sweden most likely did it the right way. Get it over and done with as quickly as possible rather than kill the economy and let it go on for years. We will see in the long run.

Crocodilexp

04-20-20, 21:46

Yep, it isn't going to be pretty for mongers in LOS. I would also imagine that the gov along with many Thais would love to get rid of the what they consider eyesores, and that is the GoGos and the farang P4 P scene. Especially in the capital city. GoGo bars are an easy target as are the oily massage parlors. Soapies have been dead in the water for years as Thai businessmen no longer frequent them. The gov will use this as a way to finally rid BKK of the sexpat and sex tourist. Regulations will be put in place that make it impossible for many of these places to re-open, even if they can withstand the lockdown financially. The scene will migrate online even more and as you stated the gals that can attract local men will have nothing to do with foreigners. The future for foreign P4 P in Thailand, Bangkok especially, is pretty bleak. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. As far as P4 P goes, I would imagine Angeles City and Jakarta will see few changes coming out of this. HK will be the same as well.Well said. This is grim, but realistic. It's highly likely this will be the end of the Farang P4 P scene in Thailand as we know it. The scene has been in decline for a long time, and it's easier to kill off now than ever. Had the pandemic happened in the 1990's when sex tourists mattered to the economy, perhaps it could rebound, but those times are over. As an aside, a few old Asia hands I talked to mentioned how P4 P for foreigners in South Korea was excellent prior to the 1988 Olympics, the event that authorities used to clean it up. A fairly large scene still remains, but only for locals.

Across Thailand, the puritans are already using the chance to ban alcohol, although the link to the risk of spreading the virus is tenuous, far more indirect than with prostitution.

Cultural attitudes towards P4 P around the world have turned sharply negative due to the HIV epidemic in the 80's and 90's, and I suspect they'll go even more negative in the aftermath of Covid-19, even once a vaccine is available. Local scenes that are already halfway underground like Jakarta, KL or HK might survive, albeit in a diminished state. Foreigners in general won't be too popular for a while either in many places, so more girls in those local scenes might refuse foreign customers (some already do).

No idea about Angeles, I've been hearing it's in decline too, but perhaps PI is sufficiently corrupt to allow it to remain, and it might attract enough sex tourists exiled from other places to keep it viable.

I see no positives for our hobby except maybe a short term increase in freelancers due to desperate economic conditions, but this will be short lived and the number of foreign mongers able to tap into it will be limited.

Online mongering scene might expand to some extent, but I personally hate it. Online P4 P basically involves begging, digging and waiting for pussy rather than enjoying the process of choosing among many girls eager to be with me within 20 min of meeting.

BodyAnybody

04-20-20, 22:08

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/southeast-asia-could-be-the-next-coronavirus-hot-spot-these-charts-show-why.html

Poor countries like Mexico, PI and Brazil are in denial. Not even reporting infections or death rates accurately. They don't care primarily because they have no money to treat any sick person anyway. One of the reasons the US has totally shut down border with Mexico. Only commercial traffic coming through.The Border with Mexico isn't shut down. I was just in Mexico over the weekend to see my regular girl. No questions asked on the way in to Mexico as usual, but I did get additional screening on my way back into the US. I think this is just because the agents on staff were assholes though.

Goatscrot

04-20-20, 22:32

Well said. This is grim, but realistic. It's highly likely this will be the end of the Farang P4 P scene in Thailand as we know it. The scene has been in decline for a long time, and it's easier to kill off now than ever. Had the pandemic happened in the 1990's when sex tourists mattered to the economy, perhaps it could rebound, but those times are over. As an aside, a few old Asia hands I talked to mentioned how P4 P for foreigners in South Korea was excellent prior to the 1988 Olympics, the event that authorities used to clean it up. A fairly large scene still remains, but only for locals.

Across Thailand, the puritans are already using the chance to ban alcohol, although the link to the risk of spreading the virus is tenuous, far more indirect than with prostitution.

Cultural attitudes towards P4 P around the world have turned sharply negative due to the HIV epidemic in the 80's and 90's, and I suspect they'll go even more negative in the aftermath of Covid-19, even once a vaccine is available. Local scenes that are already halfway underground like Jakarta, KL or HK might survive, albeit in a diminished state. Foreigners in general won't be too popular for a while either in many places, so more girls in those local scenes might refuse foreign customers (some already do).

No idea about Angeles, I've been hearing it's in decline too, but perhaps PI is sufficiently corrupt to allow it to remain, and it might attract enough sex tourists exiled from other places to keep it viable.

I see no positives for our hobby except maybe a short term increase in freelancers due to desperate economic conditions, but this will be short lived and the number of foreign mongers able to tap into it will be limited.

Online mongering scene might expand to some extent, but I personally hate it. Online P4 P basically involves begging, digging and waiting for pussy rather than enjoying the process of choosing among many girls eager to be with me within 20 min of meeting.We are in line with both our assessment of the situation and our feelings about the online scene.

It's really a shame, I was hoping my 50's and 60's would be filled with great mongering opportunities. It was one of the reasons I chose to move her. Guess not. Glad I came over here 20 years ago to catch the end of the golden age. Everything prior to this March seems like nostalgia now.

I too have heard about how great Korea was prior to the olympics. One guy who lived there at the time said the bar scene was better than BKK ever was, and it was all gone in an instant. Closed Dec 31st 1987. Here no need for heavy handedness, that is not the Thai way; simply don't allow the places to open for a while longer and make regulations that will be difficult to comply with. And there you have it. Sigh, it really is depressing.

Dena0

04-20-20, 22:45

That's the best expert advice according to who? To the people who don't give a shit about the world economy and are willing to have lock down for years? If you live in a dream fantasy world, then that is a possibility. But here in the real world, all that will do is cause the 2nd great depression while the corona cases are stretched out ad infinitum. They will not go to zero even with the lock down. People will die of starvation (especially in third world countries), suicide or drug abuse from depression, etc if they can't earn money.

Sweden most likely did it the right way. Get it over and done with as quickly as possible rather than kill the economy and let it go on for years. We will see in the long run.Best advice according to epidemiologists in confronting a pandemic. However, the horse has already left the Wuhan barn and a global lockdown is unrealistic, which is why the pragmatic approach worldwide is likely to be graduated slackening of the lockdown with controls on localised hotspots.

There is no altering the fact that a depression is already all too likely and the unfortunate term 'culling of the herd' is already well in progress, whether we like it or not. Too many variables at play now. Oil at a negative price, CO2 unavailability leading to likely interruption of clean water and significant parts of the food chain. Who'd have thunk it?

Beijing4987

04-20-20, 23:11

Oil prices crashed today folks. It's being called a Double Black Swan. Has everyone on ISG contacted their epidemiologist relatives to comment?

Turgid

04-21-20, 01:33

McAdonis

04-21-20, 02:58

Since you cannot get immuniity (absent a vaccine) without exposure to the virus, all the quarantineing does is stretch out the deaths and not overwhelm the medical system, not reduce the number of total deaths.If Sweden can manage to continue to stay at or just under its medical system capacity for the duration of the pandemic, I think your statement holds true. But if the number of cases spiral out of control, and some Swedish start to die because there were a shortage of ventilators, than needless people might die.

Here is a 44-year old coronavirus survivor who was on a ventilator for six days. This guy is a relatively young marathon runner who has exercise induced asthma but is otherwise healthy, And that ventilator might have been the difference between life and death. https://www.businessinsider.com/david-lat-coronavirus-harrowing-story-ventilator-2020-4?r=DE&IR=T.

GettingFedUp

04-21-20, 03:01

We will see in the long run.As the renowned economist John Maynard Keynes wrote nearly a century ago "In the long run we are all dead".

GrapeMan

04-21-20, 05:19

We are in line with both our assessment of the situation and our feelings about the online scene.

It's really a shame, I was hoping my 50's and 60's would be filled with great mongering opportunities. It was one of the reasons I chose to move her. Guess not. Glad I came over here 20 years ago to catch the end of the golden age. Everything prior to this March seems like nostalgia now.

I too have heard about how great Korea was prior to the olympics. One guy who lived there at the time said the bar scene was better than BKK ever was, and it was all gone in an instant. Closed Dec 31st 1987. Here no need for heavy handedness, that is not the Thai way; simply don't allow the places to open for a while longer and make regulations that will be difficult to comply with. And there you have it. Sigh, it really is depressing.You guys need to get called out a bit, its still the golden age in Bangkok. This is just nostalgia from the past, we all get it sometimes. The current scene was going extremely strong, it just wasn't as hilariously cheap or perfect as it was 40 years ago (I wasn't there then, but have heard plenty on it). Someone showing up to BKK in 2019 would be having an amazing time and not even know there was something else before. It is still (pre-covid) one of the top and cheapest spots in the world. I've been to a lot of the spots--Thailand is fucking value and a half. Please don't argue that back in the day it was 1000 baht instead of 2000 now. The shit is still quite good. When you can go to Tulip for PSE for 2000 baht or get to walk around Nana looking for your right girl to take home for not too much more, we're in business. Let alone all the escort site prices that are very reasonably priced for a hottie. Yeah, OK that Tulip girl is a bit older, and the bar fine is a little more, and there's more tourists, sure, there is, but everything is still going well.

Hell I would say the scene was even better now than it was 10 years ago. Lots of places have improved, internet and smartphone made stuff even easier. Prices are still dirt cheap.

That being said, its going to take some serious time to recover after all of this, and I do wonder when the tourist market will begin to flourish again in Bangkok (it may in the south before Bangkok), so in that time I wouldn't be surprised if many girls found other stuff to do, went home, or went the thai guys scene instead of asians / farangs.

I'm not gonna argue that we won't see additional regulation after this that puts the scene at risk, thats 100% a possibility the govt could do, I haven't heard any thoughts of that happening, but its happened in plenty of other spots, happening in Thailand wouldn't be too crazy, hell even the Dutch crack down year after year.

Goatscrot

04-21-20, 06:23

I remember some time last year some blokes complaining of high prices and less good looking providers and I remember stating that some time in the future those would be the good old days. Never thought it would be so soon.Well stated. The scene was pretty stable for my first six or so years here. That would be 99-06. Started to wane a bit after the 06 coup. Oilies kicked into gear then, so that was a saving grace. Talent started to slip there about the time of the second coup. The last 5 years have been a rather steep decline. And now, well, sheesh!

Goatscrot

04-21-20, 06:29

You guys need to get called out a bit, its still the golden age in Bangkok. This is just nostalgia from the past, we all get it sometimes. The current scene was going extremely strong, it just wasn't as hilariously cheap or perfect as it was 40 years ago (I wasn't there then, but have heard plenty on it). Someone showing up to BKK in 2019 would be having an amazing time and not even know there was something else before. It is still (pre-covid) one of the top and cheapest spots in the world. I've been to a lot of the spots--Thailand is fucking value and a half. Please don't argue that back in the day it was 1000 baht instead of 2000 now. The shit is still quite good. When you can go to Tulip for PSE for 2000 baht or get to walk around Nana looking for your right girl to take home for not too much more, we're in business. Let alone all the escort site prices that are very reasonably priced for a hottie. Yeah, OK that Tulip girl is a bit older, and the bar fine is a little more, and there's more tourists, sure, there is, but everything is still going well.

Hell I would say the scene was even better now than it was 10 years ago. Lots of places have improved, internet and smartphone made stuff even easier. Prices are still dirt cheap.

That being said, its going to take some serious time to recover after all of this, and I do wonder when the tourist market will begin to flourish again in Bangkok (it may in the south before Bangkok), so in that time I wouldn't be surprised if many girls found other stuff to do, went home, or went the thai guys scene instead of asians / farangs.

I'm not gonna argue that we won't see additional regulation after this that puts the scene at risk, thats 100% a possibility the govt could do, I haven't heard any thoughts of that happening, but its happened in plenty of other spots, happening in Thailand wouldn't be too crazy, hell even the Dutch crack down year after year.Well, we can agree to disagree. The oilies peaked in the early '10's, GoGos have not been great since the mid-00's IMHO, and the freelance scene was never the same after the '11 floods. I'm more worried about the attitude of the providers after this. Thais are always afraid of getting sick. One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared. Afraid this is not going to go away in a few months. Big world events like WWII, The Great Depression, etc leave marks on all that go through them. I'd put forth this pandemic is the biggest world event since WWII and a far bigger health event than HIV. We will be entering into a new "normal. " I'm not happy about it, but that's the way we are headed.

EihTooms

04-21-20, 07:55

Well, we can agree to disagree. The oilies peaked in the early '10's, GoGos have not been great since the mid-00's IMHO, and the freelance scene was never the same after the '11 floods. I'm more worried about the attitude of the providers after this. Thais are always afraid of getting sick. One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared. Afraid this is not going to go away in a few months. Big world events like WWII, The Great Depression, etc leave marks on all that go through them. I'd put forth this pandemic is the biggest world event since WWII and a far bigger health event than HIV. We will be entering into a new "normal. " I'm not happy about it, but that's the way we are headed.Luckily, I have more willing and eager favorite regulars, P4P and non pro, than I can keep happy per week. Five right now, lost a 6th to her province recently but another one is due back in town any day now.

However, if I relied on getting NEW girls in the street or online (I work hard to set aside a free day and night for that every few days) who would fit my specs for youth, looks and fuck and suck skills and willingness, I might not have gotten well laid or sucked off but once out of at least a dozen approaches over the past 3-4 weeks.

That is about the ratio of new takers I've had for "boom boom no condom" OR BBBJ+CIM with or without some minor "kissing on the lips" included during these supposedly economically desperate times. I'm talking about daytime, afternoons or 1-2 hours before the 10pm curfew when I am the only potential customer in any direction as far as the eye can see.

And for the online girls, I'm talking about girls whose opening statements are how they have no job and no money, haven't had either in weeks.

Mind you, I have not approached girls on the street or clicked girls online who are too fat, too old or too homely even for my rather liberal range of acceptability. So maybe times have never been better for guys with a more liberal range of acceptability and certainly for those punters for whom covered sex is just fine and would never choose a CIM finish anyway.

How or if that mindset continues after the lockdown is over is anybody's guess. But until then and perhaps for a couple of years thereafter I am guarding and treasuring my tried, true and reliable regulars like so much top quality gold. Happily, the same way they are treating me.

Nounce

04-21-20, 08:29

One of my friends from the US has a lot of GoGo gals he keeps in touch with. All are asking him for money. He told 'them he has a friend that would gladly meet up with them, but all are too frightened. Most of my friends who have regulars are complaining that their gals are not wanting to kiss and are scared. This maybe true but it is not consistent with the reports we have seen here.

Nounce

04-21-20, 08:41

1 - Seven NEP bars have quit and handed back the keys already. They are London Calling (actually closed pre-Covid), Mandarin (closed pre-lockdown), Lollipop, and all four Rainbow bars. Only Rainbow 1 and 3 are closed.

Gargano19

04-21-20, 10:33

Luckily, I have more willing and eager favorite regulars, P4P and non pro, than I can keep happy per week. Five right now, lost a 6th to her province recently but another one is due back in town any day now.
That's the benefits of regulars. There's obvious downside of fucking same girl, but both sides know what to expect, girl gets way more comfortable, and experience gets more GFE-ish and less mechanical.

All my regulars who left to their hometowns will be back by mid May, unless there's some unusual surge in cases.

Gargano19

04-21-20, 10:48

Thailand is no doubt one of best place to do easy mongering, girls are easy to find and $30-60 shops to fuck are everywhere. But there's no denying that many clubs are not making same level of profits as they were 10 years ago, from what some owners told me. Maybe internet and option to pick girls online is one reason. Maybe stronger baht or weaker Russian currency or both. Or maybe the fact that girls are making a lot more than they were before. Couple of clubs owners on WS who told me in December during my last trip to Pattaya that if March wasn't a high season, then they will be closing their clubs. Well I don't have to ask them now if they're going to close it or not. By November, the clubs which can withstand this beating or new players who are eager to bet, will be open and running well. No way Thailand will have shortage of mongers. Clubs will be packed. Clubs will still make small profits enough to keep it going. Thailand is like well oiled juggernaut machine, people will come here no matter if there are cheaper options or beautiful girls available elsewhere.

EihTooms

04-21-20, 13:56

That's the benefits of regulars. There's obvious downside of fucking same girl, but both sides know what to expect, girl gets way more comfortable, and experience gets more GFE-ish and less mechanical.

All my regulars who left to their hometowns will be back by mid May, unless there's some unusual surge in cases.One of my favorite regulars had fled to her province the week the bars closed. Then she began complaining about being bored, broke and missing me "too mutt" in her province. Said she wanted to come back to Bangkok to live with me until the bars open again. Have to say I was tempted with this one for a hot minute because she pretty much knocks most of my requirements out of the park.

Then I came to my senses and settled on a compromise idea; I told her I would fund her way back to Bangkok, set her up with the required first two months' rent for a room of her own near her sister, friends, wherever she was happy, I really didn't care as long as it was no hassle for her to come to see me once or twice a week. I told I would make sure she had enough income stream to cover her minimal expenses of rent, electric, phone and food as long as we were still happy being together at least one Long Time per week. Knowing that it would occasionally be twice a week.

The rent is 3,500 baht per month with air con use electricity extra. Nothing is in my name. Not a bad room and building really. By my calculation and so far over the past several weeks I am spending way less than I did buying LDs, paying her barfine and keeping her or almost any other bargirl for LT once per week before. And the level of appreciative GFE is well worth the money. I pick and choose which days and nights she comes to my place and she never disappoints. She did have a distracted time or two before when she was busy at her bar. But not now.