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I had originally planned my second trip to Thailand this past February but ... Who knows when this virus will be under control (if that's even remotely possibly) but it seems like there may be light at the end of the tunnel. Phase 4 seems to be on track for this July so ... My question is, is it too early to start booking hotels or am I already too far behind to book the hotels I want on the dates I would like? ... I would appreciate any advise. Thanks in advance.I'll echo what GFU and many other posters have said in that planning (air and hotel) travel is all a crapshoot at this point.
Having said that, there are only two things that seem certain now:
1. Get tested for Covid before flying out whenever, (2020 or 2021) to make sure that you are not an asymptomatic carrier.
As an aside, if you are a NY resident (inference from your handle), know that NY and indeed the rest of the US is viewed as a high risk country (deservedly so because of 'the most intelligent president ever' and other bone-headed governors) and is currently on the European shit list for travel to Europe. I will be surprised if Thailand will ever ease up before Europe on this count.
2. Have enormous flexibility on time and budget before deciding to venture into Thailand. I suspect both will be sorely tested for falang travelers. A new reality awaits. My best guess today is that it will take <at least until end of 2022 for an effective vaccine to be developed and implemented worldwide.
PedroMorales
06-25-20, 16:26
Plot Spoiler: As Parris Island is for babies compared to this, do not pick fights in Thailand. There are easier ways to commit suicide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq-BOsOSH6Q
CzarNicholas
06-25-20, 21:13
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/kellie-chauvin-history-asian-women-being-told-whom-they-should-n1231600
Yes, I will (update you on the experience). Each injection every 3 months, if I do it more than once, requires a blood check first to monitor the level and make sure it is not rising above normal. And from what I read here and elsewhere I probably should give it at least 6 months to see how it goes.
In my case, I don't expect a night vs day difference. I am not suffering from serious hypogonadism symptoms where an effective treatment might produce dramatic results. I still get morning erections, still have plenty of sexual thoughts, can still be sexually active for as long as either me or the girl would want every day. It is only that I get noticeably more pleasure out of it when I skip a day in between now.
Problem is it is getting more difficult than I predicted at this time of my life to maintain that "skip a day in between" plan, a plan that already got broken here and there anyway. Not a bad problem to have, I know. Best case scenario for me is a session every day becomes as desired and pleasurable as my (intended) every other day schedule is now.Update here. And you might want to back track to the original post exchanges on this if you weren't following them before and are interested in my experiences with my first testosterone treatment:
The doctor said I would probably not feel any effects from the injection for "a couple of weeks." However, it is only 1 week after my first 3-month injection and I am already experiencing more of a feeling of fullness in my balls and need to release via ejaculation on my "skip a day in between" day. LOL. And that is the start of what I was hoping to get out of this.
Before this injection, I had that feeling just fine along with all the usual feelings of hornyness, erection during sexual talk/thoughts/fantasy, foreplay, etc when I was on more of an "every other day" schedule; meaning, I would have a session, skip a day, have a session, skip a day and so on. Although I never really maintained that schedule for a full week before I wound up doing two days in a row. It was more of a preferred pattern, not maintained religiously.
However, this week my usual "skip a day" day felt no different in terms of my interest in fucking (or getting blown) and cumming than my previous session day. I might even go so far as to say both my "on" day and my supposed "off" day this week, 1 week after my first 3-month injection, had me as ramrod hard and knowing I was headed to a shattering orgasm whenever I wanted it to go, quickly or prolonged, right after penetration. That is the kind of feeling I usually only felt these days if, for whatever reason, I have skipped 2 days in a row. Rare. The feeling of absolute inevitability of a shattering orgasm any minute now and that it was my challenge and pleasure to keep fucking and delay it as long as I wanted, I mean.
I should also mention I have not upped or changed my usual 100mg Sidegra tablet about an hour before estimated time of dropping our drawers routine. I understand the testosterone treatment isn't really about producing an erection in the way a dose of Sidegra, Viagra, Cialis, etc are treatments for that. I am just mentioning that in case it is an issue at all.
All the expected caveats apply, of course. This is not a controlled laboratory experiment. It could be that I happened to be with a couple of ladies this week who I am particularly hot for and who know how to touch, kiss, lick, suck and fuck the way I respond to very well. I would say that was so. I will be seeing another one tonight. Also, I am fully open to the possibility that I am having an early psychosomatic or placebo effect response on the chance, perhaps even probability, that the injection isn't really producing as noticeable an effect as I am feeling so far. And I should also clarify that, despite what it might seem I have said about it here, the effect has not been "night and day." It is subtle. But I do feel it. And am happy about the feeling.
More updates to come if there are any other changes or effects from this over the next 2-3 months.
Mr Enternational
06-26-20, 06:25
Plot Spoiler: As Parris Island is for babies compared to this, do not pick fights in Thailand. There are easier ways to commit suicide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq-BOsOSH6QLOL. I saw that the other day. It was not boot camp. It was special forces. Same as Navy Seals or Marine Recon.
Update here. And you might want to back track to the original post exchanges on this if you weren't following them before and are interested in my experiences with my first testosterone treatment:
The doctor said I would probably not feel any effects from the injection for "a couple of weeks." However, it is only 1 week after my first 3-month injection and I am already experiencing more of a feeling of fullness in my balls and need to release via ejaculation on my "skip a day in between" day. LOL. And that is the start of what I was hoping to get out of this.
Before this injection, I had that feeling just fine along with all the usual feelings of hornyness, erection during sexual talk/thoughts/fantasy, foreplay, etc when I was on more of an "every other day" schedule; meaning, I would have a session, skip a day, have a session, skip a day and so on. Although I never really maintained that schedule for a full week before I wound up doing two days in a row. It was more of a preferred pattern, not maintained religiously.
However, this week my usual "skip a day" day felt no different in terms of my interest in fucking (or getting blown) and cumming than my previous session day. I might even go so far as to say both my "on" day and my supposed "off" day this week, 1 week after my first 3-month injection, had me as ramrod hard and knowing I was headed to a shattering orgasm whenever I wanted it to go, quickly or prolonged, right after penetration. That is the kind of feeling I usually only felt these days if, for whatever reason, I have skipped 2 days in a row. Rare. The feeling of absolute inevitability of a shattering orgasm any minute now and that it was my challenge and pleasure to keep fucking and delay it as long as I wanted, I mean.
I should also mention I have not upped or changed my usual 100mg Sidegra tablet about an hour before estimated time of dropping our drawers routine. I understand the testosterone treatment isn't really about producing an erection in the way a dose of Sidegra, Viagra, Cialis, etc are treatments for that. I am just mentioning that in case it is an issue at all.
All the expected caveats apply, of course. This is not a controlled laboratory experiment. It could be that I happened to be with a couple of ladies this week who I am particularly hot for and who know how to touch, kiss, lick, suck and fuck the way I respond to very well. I would say that was so. I will be seeing another one tonight. Also, I am fully open to the possibility that I am having an early psychosomatic or placebo effect response on the chance, perhaps even probability, that the injection isn't really producing as noticeable an effect as I am feeling so far. And I should also clarify that, despite what it might seem I have said about it here, the effect has not been "night and day." It is subtle. But I do feel it. And am happy about the feeling.
More updates to come if there are any other changes or effects from this over the next 2-3 months.So, what's next, penile implant?
So, what's next, penile implant?Why would I want that? Tell us from your personal experience, please.
GspotCrusher
06-27-20, 01:51
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/kellie-chauvin-history-asian-women-being-told-whom-they-should-n1231600Being Asian American, Mid 30's:
I do see a lot of this. Many Asian men are just insecure and possessive. Not sure if families care so much. All my female cousins have non-Asian husbands, but they are all pussies, so it's certainly not for their masculinity.
I personally encourage inter-racial breeding, mixed chicks are generally attractive and if not, it's still a good story. It's like eating fusion food.
Koalie2001
06-27-20, 12:29
The doctor should know better than anyone who posts on a forum, but from what I understand most testosterone esters have a half life at best of 8-10 days. One shot every three months would not seem to cut it, unless it was an incredibly large amount of test that then reached normal levels after a month or so, but that does not seem reasonable.
Exogenous test replaces testosterone created by your body. By taking test shots you accelerate the decline in production of your own testosterone. The feedback loop for hormonal control will lead to lower testes based test production when large amounts of testosterone are introduced from outside the body. Unless the amount introduced endogenously exceeds what your natural levels are, at best you will have the same level and due to shutdown of production naturally, you could end up with fluctuating and on average lower levels of testosterone, while also messing with your levels of estrogen, which can also affect sex drive.
All this is well known in the body building community. It would be good to ask your doctor about the long term effects of your own body's testosterone production when taking shots externally, especially if you are not at low levels for your age or for any age for that matter. If you don't really care about natural production, than just be prepared to inject or rub test into your body for as long as you want to feel its effects; otherwise at 50+ you will definitely need some kind of post-cycle therapy to restart your own body's test production. It would also be good to ask why inject once every three months, and why not simply use a daily rub as test via skin application also works reasonably well these days (as in Barry Bonds the gel, BALCO scandal).
Ultimately, unless test levels were really low to begin with, injections will not add much to libido, might help with muscle gain and fat loss or at least minimize fat gain; but the rest is a hope.
Exercise (weight training and cardio) is a better option to combat age, and maintain natural test levels and your libido.
Whether you want to believe the above or not, it would still be good to test the doctor with a few of these test questions.
HorseTrader
06-27-20, 20:05
I've been using testosterone gel. It worked nicely for a time, but then my testosterone levels went down. I met with my urologist about 5 times over the last year. We talked about what he prescribes most often.
Gels have the advantage of easy application once a day. Disadvantages are the absorption is difficult to predict and can change over your lifetime. In USA, it can be very expensive. Think $1500-$3000 per month for heavy dose of name brand Androgel without insurance or discount. Maybe $60 per month for smaller dose of generic with good discount but no insurance. The generic is relatively recent in USA.
I forget the term he used, maybe implant. Rice size thing put under the butt skin in the doctor's office. Process is repeated every 3 months. Based on his description, it seems this is something that dissolves over 3 months.
Self injections done every 2 weeks at home. Much less expensive, in my case it is about 10%-15% the cost of generic gel.
There are other methods, but I never really considered them.
Robert Long
06-28-20, 14:29
Update here. And you might want to back track to the original post exchanges on this if you weren't following them before and are interested in my experiences with my first testosterone treatment:
The doctor said I would probably not feel any effects from the injection for "a couple of weeks." However, it is only 1 week after my first 3-month injection and I am already experiencing more of a feeling of fullness in my balls and need to release via ejaculation on my "skip a day in between" day. LOL. And that is the start of what I was hoping to get out of this.
Before this injection, I had that feeling just fine along with all the usual feelings of hornyness, erection during sexual talk/thoughts/fantasy, foreplay, etc when I was on more of an "every other day" schedule; meaning, I would have a session, skip a day, have a session, skip a day and so on. Although I never really maintained that schedule for a full week before I wound up doing two days in a row. It was more of a preferred pattern, not maintained religiously.
However, this week my usual "skip a day" day felt no different in terms of my interest in fucking (or getting blown) and cumming than my previous session day. I might even go so far as to say both my "on" day and my supposed "off" day this week, 1 week after my first 3-month injection, had me as ramrod hard and knowing I was headed to a shattering orgasm whenever I wanted it to go, quickly or prolonged, right after penetration. That is the kind of feeling I usually only felt these days if, for whatever reason, I have skipped 2 days in a row. Rare. The feeling of absolute inevitability of a shattering orgasm any minute now and that it was my challenge and pleasure to keep fucking and delay it as long as I wanted, I mean.
I should also mention I have not upped or changed my usual 100mg Sidegra tablet about an hour before estimated time of dropping our drawers routine. I understand the testosterone treatment isn't really about producing an erection in the way a dose of Sidegra, Viagra, Cialis, etc are treatments for that. I am just mentioning that in case it is an issue at all.
All the expected caveats apply, of course. This is not a controlled laboratory experiment. It could be that I happened to be with a couple of ladies this week who I am particularly hot for and who know how to touch, kiss, lick, suck and fuck the way I respond to very well. I would say that was so. I will be seeing another one tonight. Also, I am fully open to the possibility that I am having an early psychosomatic or placebo effect response on the chance, perhaps even probability, that the injection isn't really producing as noticeable an effect as I am feeling so far. And I should also clarify that, despite what it might seem I have said about it here, the effect has not been "night and day." It is subtle. But I do feel it. And am happy about the feeling.
More updates to come if there are any other changes or effects from this over the next 2-3 months.I have been on A Test regiment for 5 years. A shot every week with a estrogen tablet the next day. The clinic gives a blood test every 3 months and checks the Test level, Prostate and blood platelets. The blood test will determine the strength of the Test dosage. They try and keep my level around 950.
I've been told that the normal of a 21 year old is just below 1000. Average level of a man over 60 is 220.
I feel great and have a healthy desire for sex at my age of 74. I exercise and play golf. Ladies say I look 60, but we know that BS.
RL.
I have been on A Test regiment for 5 years. A shot every week with a estrogen tablet the next day. The clinic gives a blood test every 3 months and checks the Test level, Prostate and blood platelets. The blood test will determine the strength of the Test dosage. They try and keep my level around 950.
I've been told that the normal of a 21 year old is just below 1000. Average level of a man over 60 is 220.
I feel great and have a healthy desire for sex at my age of 74. I exercise and play golf. Ladies say I look 60, but we know that BS.
RL.I understand lower levels mean an increased desire for sex. What about a need for Viagra or Cialis?
Mr Enternational
06-29-20, 08:53
Where do these people get all this money from to give away to bar girls like this? And why can't I ever find pussy that good to make me want to do something as stupid?
"Between the spring of 2019 and February 2020 when the relationship ended, the Danish man transferred a total of 5,7 mill Baht from his bank account to hers in the belief, that they would live together similar to what he saw his friend did with his Thai wife. The car cost 1. 7 mill baht. The house around 3 mill. Baht. To keep her from going back to the bar to work, he sent her 25.000 baht every month. And then there was the debt of the Thai woman’s mother of 200.000 baht, which he also agreed to help pay."
https://pattayaone.news/dane-wins-lawsuit-against-thai-bar-girl-in-thailand/
Where do these people get all this money from to give away to bar girls like this? And why can't I ever find pussy that good to make me want to do something as stupid?
"Between the spring of 2019 and February 2020 when the relationship ended, the Danish man transferred a total of 5,7 mill Baht from his bank account to hers in the belief, that they would live together similar to what he saw his friend did with his Thai wife. The car cost 1. 7 mill baht. The house around 3 mill. Baht. To keep her from going back to the bar to work, he sent her 25.000 baht every month. And then there was the debt of the Thai womans mother of 200.000 baht, which he also agreed to help pay. ".
https://pattayaone.news/dane-wins-lawsuit-against-thai-bar-girl-in-thailand/They are just naive because of their background. I think that asset should not have been divided 50/50 because the money came from the man before marriage.
GettingFedUp
06-29-20, 12:59
On the entertainment front: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1942820/nightlife-to-resume-some-foreigners-allowed-in.
On the travel front: https://thepattayanews.com/2020/06/29/proposal-made-by-thailand-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-for-six-groups-of-foreigners-to-be-allowed-to-enter-country/.
Crazy4Thai
06-29-20, 13:47
Where do these people get all this money from to give away to bar girls like this? And why can't I ever find pussy that good to make me want to do something as stupid?
"Between the spring of 2019 and February 2020 when the relationship ended, the Danish man transferred a total of 5,7 mill Baht from his bank account to hers in the belief, that they would live together similar to what he saw his friend did with his Thai wife. The car cost 1. 7 mill baht. The house around 3 mill. Baht. To keep her from going back to the bar to work, he sent her 25.000 baht every month. And then there was the debt of the Thai womans mother of 200.000 baht, which he also agreed to help pay. ".
https://pattayaone.news/dane-wins-lawsuit-against-thai-bar-girl-in-thailand/I saw the following first hand. He was 62 and she was 28 looking like 22 and HOT. He gave her 100,000 baht per month to live with him. Also 25,000 for her mother. Per month. It was the best of times and also stormy. After a particularly big storm they got married. He gave her 3. 5 million baht as a "wedding present". She told my GF "I have enough" and she left him less than 2 weeks into the marriage.
I saw the following first hand. He was 62 and she was 28 looking like 22 and HOT. He gave her 100,000 baht per month to live with him. Also 25,000 for her mother. Per month. It was the best of times and also stormy. After a particularly big storm they got married. He gave her 3. 5 million baht as a "wedding present". She told my GF "I have enough" and she left him less than 2 weeks into the marriage.I know a similar story with basically the same amount of cash the guy paid the bar girl to be with him. But they are still married 10 years later and have three kids still living together.
LittleBigMan
06-29-20, 16:17
They are just naive because of their background. I think that asset should not have been divided 50/50 because the money came from the man before marriage.I have to disagree with some particularly the 50/50 in this particular case I think the judge got it right or was being fair. I think you should go back and read the details again. They weren't married and the judge decided this was still a common-law marriage. Here is the difference I see it in cases where you are married and you decided to buy property when you are at the land office to register the deed in my particular case and many that I've been involved with the clerk ask you as a foreigner knowing full well or just in general that the money to purchase the home comes fully from the foreigner. In my particular case, I was asked this and a number of other questions I told the clerk yes the money is totally mine and sign a release giving and registering the title in her name and her son doing so I couldn't come back on it later. To some this is unusual but I did it fully knowing if something happened I was going to be crying about the money.
In this particular case with the Danish fellow, the land the house was built belong to the Thai lady or her family. The judge provided the solution that if the Thai lady wanted to contest or continue with her position it was a gift then the judge would request the house be torn down and all the material be resold which would have net them something like 900,000 baht divided 450 each Thai lady gets the money but now no house this I think the same with the Honda.
Regardless the Thai made the right choice to keep the house a roof over her head and family my favorite saying to Thais " you can't live in your car " and let the Danish have the car it all comes out in the wash at least for the judge because she owned the Land regardless if all the money came from overseas. Sure the numbers don't come out right for the Danish guy but that is the price or due you pay. In my opinion, he came out ahead knowing it now before he moves more money over to her she did him a favor.
I wasn't born yesterday I knew when I pull the trigger especially from all the books and stories I read that if things went south I wasn't going to lose a whole lot of sleep over it I wasn't spending anything that I couldn't afford to lose. Even today I have nothing in my name including the two condos that are rented out which I have a life estate on the deeds that gives me the right to live in one of them until I die. Just my two baht.
EU to allow in visitors from 15 'safe' countries. However, it's not clear to me yet if this also means that these 15 countries allow visitors FROM the EU. According to a Dutch news item they will but as far as Thailand is concerned I doubt that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356
GettingFedUp
07-01-20, 09:51
However, it's not clear to me yet if this also means that these 15 countries allow visitors FROM the EU.It is a list negotiated amongst the EU rather than a list of countries where formal agreements have been reached.
My reading is that it is only China where the EU is requiring reciprocated access before inclusion on the list. The others probably don't have the political and economic significance. And of course if EU tourists cannot come to Thailand then they'll likely go to Spain or Greece, to the benefit of EU countries' economies.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1943944/eu-opens-borders-to-safe-countries-including-thailand
And of course if EU tourists cannot come to Thailand then they'll likely go to Spain or Greece, to the benefit of EU countries' economies.You must be reading my mind.
Franciscass
07-01-20, 12:32
It is a list negotiated amongst the EU rather than a list of countries where formal agreements have been reached.
My reading is that it is only China where the EU is requiring reciprocated access before inclusion on the list. The others probably don't have the political and economic significance. And of course if EU tourists cannot come to Thailand then they'll likely go to Spain or Greece, to the benefit of EU countries' economies.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1943944/eu-opens-borders-to-safe-countries-including-thailandIf I understand the announcement correctly I found that requirement on reciprocity from China a little odd.
Why not a similar arrangement with Thailand which has no plans to allow access to E. U. Nationals anytime soon even those with Elite cards or retirement visa's.
World.
1 / 6.
Bars and nightclubs in Thailand reopen amid the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19).
Masks and bikinis as Bangkok sex districts reopen with new rules.
By Jiraporn Kuhakan and Matthew Tostevin.
Bangkok (Reuters) - With performers wearing facemasks as well as bikinis, Bangkok's red-light districts reopened on Wednesday after more than three months of shutdown to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Bars, karaoke venues and massage parlours were in the latest category of businesses allowed to reopen. With conditions. Now that Thailand has gone 37 days since recording any local transmission of the virus.
It meant a return to work for some of the hundreds of thousands of people in the nightlife industry who have been struggling to survive.
"I lost all my income," said Bee, a 27-year-old dancer who goes by her stage name at the XXX Lounge in the Patpong district.
"I'm glad that I can come back to work in a job that I'm good at. I'm OK with the mask because it's one of the precautions. ".
All customers have their temperature taken. They must give a name and telephone number. Inside, everybody must sit at least one metre (yard) apart and two metres from the stage.
British expatriate Michael Theo was among those who questioned the need.
"You can take a BTS (train) in the morning with 200 people on a packed train but then you can come into a bar and still have to sit 2 metres apart," he said.
Thailand has staggered the reopening of public places over several weeks. Schools also resumed on Wednesday.
Cockfighting and fishfighting venues remain closed.
The coronavirus has killed 58 people out of 3,173 infections, a relatively low number even within the region.
But Thailand's economy is forecast to sink further than any other in Southeast Asia with the number of foreign tourists expected to drop 80% this year.
At the Dream Boy club on Patpong's Soi 1, bare-chested men with faceshields tried to encourage the few passers-by off the street. But many businesses remained shut and there were few customers.
"There are bars all over Bangkok that have been open for 10 to 15 years and now they are closed and they are not coming back," said Christian Henrich, who manages the XXX Lounge.
(Writing by Matthew Tostevin; Editing by Alexandra Hudson).
Related video: 'Mini masks' invented for Thai beauty clinics.
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EU to allow in visitors from 15 'safe' countries. However, it's not clear to me yet if this also means that these 15 countries allow visitors FROM the EU. According to a Dutch news item they will but as far as Thailand is concerned I doubt that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356Thanks for the report & article.
Presently, and AFAIK, Thailand is generally not allowing foreign visitors into LOS.
P.S. Some comments to the URL are quite amusing, such as:
"There's a lot worse infections than COVID-19 that one can get in Bangkok. I left a Bangkok strip club with an eye infection after getting hit in the face with a ping pong ball."
GettingFedUp
07-03-20, 10:08
Sunday and Monday are no alcohol sales days in Thailand (it was previously thought to be Saturday and Sunday).
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/07/03/two-day-alcohol-sales-ban-for-religious-holidays-starts-sunday/
MissionAsia
07-04-20, 17:02
Went to spankies a few days ago. The energy was great, better than I've seen in years.
I guess everyone missed it. It felt really fun.
Found a cute girl named Fai, nice body, softer fake tits. Super playful attitude.
Sex was good, more like GFE, but felt good.
Face 3/5.
Body 4/5.
GFE 5/5.
Pse 2/5.
WIR: Yes.
Banana Boi
07-06-20, 17:18
Looks like the Brits have really p1ssed off Thailand by not including them in the countries permitted to enter the UK. Looks like it will be years before Brexits are allowed back in to Thailand.
Looks like the Brits have really p1ssed off Thailand by not including them in the countries permitted to enter the UK. Looks like it will be years before Brexits are allowed back in to Thailand.From 10 July 2020, unless they have visited or stopped in any other country or territory in the preceding 14 days, passengers arriving from 50 countries and territories will not be required to self-isolate on arrival into England, the countries are mainly European countries and Commonwealth countries. People from Thailand can visit but they must self-isolate for 14 days.
Banana Boi
07-08-20, 13:39
Thailand is doing a 180 from their decision to start allowing international flights in to LOS. Even the countries they had on their list like China, Korea, and Japan have been rejected due to a recent outbreak of cases in those countries.
China had 7 new cases today, Korea had 63, and Japan is similar to Korea IIRC. If 7 new cases out of 1.5 billion people is an outbreak that gives very little hope for the rest of us for at least 2020 and maybe even 2021.
Looks like the Brits have really p1ssed off Thailand by not including them in the countries permitted to enter the UK. Looks like it will be years before Brexits are allowed back in to Thailand.Most hotels and bars are closed so why would anyone want to go there any time soon? The place is dead inc eateries.
Pimpampoumpipo
07-09-20, 15:41
Thailand is doing a 180 from their decision to start allowing international flights in to LOS. Even the countries they had on their list like China, Korea, and Japan have been rejected due to a recent outbreak of cases in those countries.
China had 7 new cases today, Korea had 63, and Japan is similar to Korea IIRC. If 7 new cases out of 1.5 billion people is an outbreak that gives very little hope for the rest of us for at least 2020 and maybe even 2021.Clearly if the Thai government expects 0 cases of coronavirus for their travel bubbles, perhaps only an isolated tribe in the depths of the Amazon forest and who has never seen civilization before may be eligible.
And for the other countries of the world it will be in 2031 when everyone has been vaccinated.
Mr Enternational
07-09-20, 17:01
Most hotels and bars are closed so why would anyone want to go there any time soon? The place is dead inc eateries.Actually most bars and damn near all eateries in Pattaya are open now. The place is not dead. It is alive and full of chicks with no customers. Never seen so many chicks on Soi 6 in my life. Many hotels have opened to accomodate the people that come down from Bangkok on the weekends.
Bobarthurs
07-09-20, 17:12
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?
MissionAsia
07-09-20, 17:58
Went to Rainbow 5 at a friend's request last night. I think it might have been one of the first days open.
Don't recall prices, but I ordered a lot of drinks and the total damage was 4,500. Many rounds of shots attracted the usual group of about 3-5 ladies. I don't mind doing this, especially since the covid, these girl haven't had income in several months, plus I like the attention once in a while.
It's difficult to manage who gets what, so usually I just assign 1 girl to decide who gets and who doesn't. That way I'm not the bad guy.
Anyways, there were some great looking girls there, and the back tattoos are just getting larger and more intricate. Didn't take anyone home but a few I can remember (not that it'll help) were mai, wan, and mint. Really tight bodies and nice faces too, even when smoking outside.
JohnReter335
07-09-20, 21:29
Most hotels and bars are closed so why would anyone want to go there any time soon? The place is dead inc eateries.Yes now a days everything is closed travel is not allowed there.
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?Usually its not a problem to do it to them, not sure what you're looking at. The only issue comes into that the girls want to get you off to get the situation over with. You going down on them slows down getting you off and them going on with the rest of their day, which basically means playing on their phone until the next customer comes.
But I mean, if you want to do it to her, she'll do it, most don't give a shit.
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?Stop reading and do. After 4 trips under my belt DATY is most welcome and I really can not remember any girl refusing it.
MissionAsia
07-10-20, 03:35
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?If they don't like it, I don't like to do it. Just depends on the girl. It is a pretty intimate act (more than sex I think), and they might not be ready to do that with a stranger.
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?I have had no trouble over 30 years of getting A 69 with great effect in LOS. Not 1 was not up for it.
Having read many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?I have found that of all nationalities Asians are the least receptive to DATY. The most receptive are American women, I cannot recall ever being denied DATY by an American babe, they see it as a special treat, a thrill even.
HorseTrader
07-10-20, 15:39
Having readi many reviews of working girls in Thailand, what services they provide and what they don't etc. I have always been puzzled why a relatively high proportion do not allow oral sex to be performed on them. Of all the services they provide to someone who they may find unattractive this to me would appear to be one of the least distasteful.
Any thoughts from the regular punters out there?One of my February beer bar girls didn't want it on our first meeting, she said it was too personal. On our second meeting she wanted a little DATY. By the third meeting she was sitting on my face and grinding so hard that I couldn't breathe. There was no fourth time, I was on to my next adventure.
Similar deal with sleeping together. First time she said she would never sleep with me. Second time she said we could sleep together if I wanted. Third time I was pushing her out the door after about 2 hours. Time was never a factor, she wasn't someone who ever rushed me.
I don't know how much of this delayed DATY and sleeping together was due to being too personal and how much was due to trying to provide more services to promote additional meetings.
That was one girl. I think most provide DATY on first meeting. I dont always want it.
MissionAsia
07-10-20, 16:22
By the third meeting she was sitting on my face and grinding so hard that I couldn't breathe..LOL exactly. If you can show them a good time, they'll come back with a vengeance. One of the best feelings in a world LOL.
Banana Boi
07-10-20, 16:52
The most receptive are American women, I cannot recall ever being denied DATY by an American babe, they see it as a special treat, a thrill even.I'm not a DATY guy. I do it on occasion if the girl is super hot. Saw a French Canadian escort in Montreal who expected me to do DATY. Unfortunately, she was only a 7 and I didn't want to. She didn't think I understood French and said "Tabernac!" I just laughed at her and kicked her out of my room. Luckily Montreal escorts are dirt cheap with the low Canadian dollar. I don't have time to waste and just called another one over.
As for Asians I find quite a few Thai girls expect DATY. I won't DATY girls who aren't fully shaven and in general don't like girls who aren't clean cut. One reason I prefer gogo girls. Not so certain Asian girls even civilian ones in America are against DATY. I do know they don't like stubble or beards.
Mr Enternational
07-10-20, 17:00
As for Asians I find quite a few Thai girls expect DATY.I don't think they expect it as in wanting you to do, but more so expect it in knowing that is the routine of many foreigners.
Banana Boi
07-11-20, 13:54
The news comes as foreigners in Thailand are eagerly awaiting news regarding the current visa amnesty which at the time of publishing is due to end on 31 July.
Some have speculated that the re-opening of the temporary immigration office may be an indication that the visa amnesty will not be extended beyond its current expiry date.
However, no official announcement regarding the visa amnesty post 31 July has yet been madeWho knows if this has any credibility but there is some speculation those who have been staying in Thailand and not on a Thai Elite, work, retirement Visa, etc. May have to leave before July 31. Given TIT you may get official notice on July 30 or even September 3 that you have to leave the country by July 31.
GettingFedUp
07-13-20, 16:04
Who knows if this has any credibility but there is some speculation those who have been staying in Thailand and not on a Thai Elite, work, retirement Visa, etc. May have to leave before July 31. Given TIT you may get official notice on July 30 or even September 3 that you have to leave the country by July 31.BBoi,
I'm not sure where you are quoting from but I am guessing that it's about the re-opening of the Nonthaburi Immigration office at Muang Thong Thani https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1948648/immigration-office-to-reopen-at-muang-thong-thani.
As to the reason and your speculation about timing of a definite decision I can only concur (although different Immigration Offices will have their own interpretation of any decisions).
As you sagely said TiT.
I'm not a DATY guy. I do it on occasion if the girl is super hot. Saw a French Canadian escort in Montreal who expected me to do DATY. Unfortunately, she was only a 7 and I didn't want to. She didn't think I understood French and said "Tabernac!" I just laughed at her and kicked her out of my room. Luckily Montreal escorts are dirt cheap with the low Canadian dollar. I don't have time to waste and just called another one over.
As for Asians I find quite a few Thai girls expect DATY. I won't DATY girls who aren't fully shaven and in general don't like girls who aren't clean cut. One reason I prefer gogo girls. Not so certain Asian girls even civilian ones in America are against DATY. I do know they don't like stubble or beards.Fascinating. It's an integral part of any sesh for me.
Oliver Kitsoff
07-15-20, 15:05
Asking about the usual hotels. I know Nana Hotel is closed. Anyone currently staying at a hotel in Sukhumvit and what's the lady guest policy with the Covid paranoia? Thanks.
Oliver Kitsoff
07-15-20, 15:19
Went to spankies a few days ago. The energy was great, better than I've seen in years.
I guess everyone missed it. It felt really fun.
Found a cute girl named Fai, nice body, softer fake tits. Super playful attitude.
Sex was good, more like GFE, but felt good.
Face 3/5.
Body 4/5.
GFE 5/5.
Pse 2/5.
WIR: Yes.I have not been in years! But Spankys was always more fun than the usual shuffle bars. Go-go s they call them. LOL. Gogo dancing hasn't happened in a Thai bar probably ever!
What was the damage to get Fai to light up your night?
Oliver Kitsoff
07-15-20, 16:01
I had originally planned my second trip to Thailand this past February Just about every site I've used says "Property booked. Choose other dates". I would but at the moment these are the only windows of opportunity that I have. My question is, is it too early to start booking hotels or am I already too far behind to book the hotels I want on the dates I would like? Seems like everyone is eagerly looking forward to the virus subsiding and to places like Thailand opening back up that hotels are getting booked far in advance. I bet many are just booking hotels with free cancellation options to see what is going to happen. I suppose I could go that route but don't really want to spend more money to secure a what if scenario stay. I would appreciate any advise. Thanks in advance.I'm currently looking for hotels open now that don't ban girls because of Covid. I'm an expat living outside of BKK.
You can find hotels on the big sites, but you should book direct, as another member said.
Also don't worry, the hotels in the high season are not fully booked. That's just the default setting they always use if they're not accepting bookings for ANY reason. If you're seeing this they're likely closed at the moment. TBH I'd make plans to monger at home, or Germany, or anywhere not Asia for the next year's I can't see it opening up with the army in charge. There is much more going on In Thailand than just Covid. It's going to get hectic here soon!
Read as many overseas based English news Thai websites as you can, because a lot of the discontentment is not allowed to be aired here at all.
I'm currently looking for hotels open now that don't ban girls because of Covid. I'm an expat living outside of BKK.
You can find hotels on the big sites, but you should book direct, as another member said.
Also don't worry, the hotels in the high season are not fully booked. That's just the default setting they always use if they're not accepting bookings for ANY reason. If you're seeing this they're likely closed at the moment. TBH I'd make plans to monger at home, or Germany, or anywhere not Asia for the next year's I can't see it opening up with the army in charge. There is much more going on In Thailand than just Covid. It's going to get hectic here soon!
Read as many overseas based English news Thai websites as you can, because a lot of the discontentment is not allowed to be aired here at all.9 year old girl, comes from wealth, parents are prominent diplomats, tested negative before her flight for COVID-19, tested positive after landing in Thailand for COVID-19, and is now in the hospital with lung inflammation and pneumonia. So what does this tell you about all the rumors and news and crap you hear about this pandemic?
It's the end of the world and only God can save us from all this chaos.
Banana Boi
07-16-20, 05:16
TBH I'd make plans to monger at home, or Germany, or anywhere not Asia for the next year's I can't see it opening up with the army in charge. l.Do you think FKK clubs will be opening up soon? I heard that FKK clubs are not going to be opening up any sooner than you will be allowed back in to Thailand. At least in Thailand bars and gogo bars are already slowly reopening.
As for a Pattaya or Sukhumvit hotel isn't it much easier to just walk around and find a place when you are in town. If you're a visiting expat it's not like you'll have heavy luggage with you.
9 year old girl, comes from wealth, parents are prominent diplomats, tested negative before her flight for COVID-19, tested positive after landing in Thailand for COVID-19, and is now in the hospital with lung inflammation and pneumonia. So what does this tell you about all the rumors and news and crap you hear about this pandemic?
It's the end of the world and only God can save us from all this chaos.Has Monkey Paw seen the light or finally flipped over the edge?
But, it is even harder now in uncertain times to assimilate the real from the hype and spin when every one of the information providers has their own agenda.
Is it possible that even ISG reporters may not be telling the truth?
Mr Enternational
07-16-20, 08:20
As for a Pattaya or Sukhumvit hotel isn't it much easier to just walk around and find a place when you are in town. If you're a visiting expat it's not like you'll have heavy luggage with you.Yesterday a buddy was saying he went to Bangkok last week. He went to his usual dingy hotel in Nana was 700. There was a brand new hotel across the street so he went to see how much. 500. He went back to the old one but they did not want to give a discount so he stayed at the new one. As has been said many times before, just book a room for 1 night if anything then look for a better place at a better price once you arrive.
Do you think FKK clubs will be opening up soon?There's no news yet. I am hoping for August 31 when the original plan was for social distancing to end but now large events such as fairs are now prohibited until November.
There's no news yet. I am hoping for August 31 when the original plan was for social distancing to end but now large events such as fairs are now prohibited until November.Clubs in Austria and Switzerland are open with tons of beautiful European babes.
Banana Boi
07-16-20, 17:57
Is it possible that even ISG reporters may not be telling the truth?There are at least 10 to 20 handles on the Thailand threads alone that are the SAME GUY from France! He even replies to his own posts! No need to look any further than just below this post.
Anyone have an educated guess on what the rules will be on returning? Is it reasonable to plan on returning early 2021? Will there be different rules?
I just asking for best guess.
Thanks.
Mr Enternational
07-16-20, 20:05
Anyone have an educated guess on what the rules will be on returning? Is it reasonable to plan on returning early 2021? Will there be different rules?
I just asking for best guess.There is no way to guess something that the authorities have not even guessed at yet. All I can tell you is that I will be paying my rent up for the next year when I leave here on the 31st.
HorseTrader
07-16-20, 20:37
Anyone have an educated guess on what the rules will be on returning? Is it reasonable to plan on returning early 2021? Will there be different rules?
I just asking for best guess.
Thanks.A friend of mine said you can return next month. If that is true you should expect to be subject to the process published a few days ago in Pattaya News: getting a visa from a Thai embassy, pre travel COVID free certification, and a 14 day quarantine in Thailand where you need to pass COVID tests on days 3 and 11.
The real question for me is when will each of our home countries be healthy enough so the Thai government relaxes the rules enough so we want to go to Thailand.
Beijing4987
07-16-20, 21:40
A friend of mine said you can return next month. If that is true you should expect to be subject to the process published a few days ago in Pattaya News: getting a visa from a Thai embassy, pre travel COVID free certification, and a 14 day quarantine in Thailand where you need to pass COVID tests on days 3 and 11.
The real question for me is when will each of our home countries be healthy enough so the Thai government relaxes the rules enough so we want to go to Thailand.Depends on whether Ted Cruz keeps his mask on.
GettingFedUp
07-17-20, 03:13
A friend of mine said you can return next month. If that is true you should expect to be subject to the process published a few days ago in Pattaya News: getting a visa from a Thai embassy, pre travel COVID free certification, and a 14 day quarantine in Thailand where you need to pass COVID tests on days 3 and 11.HT,
I don't know where your friend is getting this information but it is contrary to everything that is being reported in English language Thai media. There had been the usual hot air chatter from politicians and the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand about "travel bubbles", primarily with China, South Korea and Japan, with a potential start date of September. Just about every policy decision here is preceded by this chatter which is frequently contradictory and often does not reflect the eventual outcome. I guess they use the coverage as some sort of focus group to gauge reaction.
However, the Rayong incident (https://thepattayanews.com/2020/07/15/cctv-footage-and-timeline-of-egyptian-soldiers-visiting-rayong-area-malls-emerges/) has further hardened attitudes of both those in power and the general population to reopening borders to anything more than medical tourism and investors.
As to the OP's request for "best guess" - for no-quarantine open to all tourism high season (fall) 2021 unless something happens quick on the treatment and / or vaccine front. I very much doubt early 2021 will be possible for regular tourists from most countries as things stand.
Banana Boi
07-17-20, 06:21
Anyone have an educated guess on what the rules will be on returning? Is it reasonable to plan on returning early 2021? Will there be different rules?
I just asking for best guess.AFTER everyone else! You have to ask yourself if USA had very few cases would you allow people in from a country that has 10's of thousands of new cases daily?
Thailand nuked their thoughts on allowing China in because of an outbreak of 7 new cases per day in China. Not sure USA will ever get to 7 cases per day. Freedom of rights mindset.
Best guess? 2022. Keep in mind USA is not a country that allows Thais to easily visit so USA will not get any breaks here. Thailand was upset that UK didn't include Thailand in the countries who can visit. There will be passive retribution for that. It's the Thai way.
I got a Line message today. One of my Rayong Thai bar girls is p1 ssed that a guy from Egypt got in and brought COVID with him to Rayong.
GettingFedUp
07-17-20, 07:54
Thailand was upset that UK didn't include Thailand in the countries who can visit.BB,
The UK has two lists. The first is countries to which the blanket advice against all non-essential foreign travel does not apply and Thailand is included on this. The second is a list of countries from which arrivals into the UK do not have to self isolate for 14 days on arrival. It is this list that Thailand is not on.
There are two schools of thought for the latter omission. One (to which I subscribe) is that the UK required reciprocity (I. E. No quarantine for UK visitors on arrival in Thailand) and that was never going to happen. The other is that UK does not trust the Thai numbers but if that were the case why would they be no non-essential travel "advice" be lifted? I put the word advice in quotes because its existence invalidates most medical and travel insurances, making it far stronger than just advice.
I was half expecting a lot of flak for suggesting autumn 2021 - thanks for drawing the fire with your guess!
HorseTrader
07-17-20, 17:20
HT,
I don't know where your friend is getting this information but it is contrary to everything that is being reported in English language Thai media.The original source of the information was written in Thai and read by my friends Thai wife. About 15 hours ago she reported that the Rayong situation has put a hold on everything, perhaps another 6 months.
The entire situation is fluid. I worry that even the introduction of a vaccine will be insufficient to stop this virus. Suppose that the vaccine is 75% effective and 80% of the population gets the vaccine. If I did the math right, that means only 60% of the population will be immune to COVID. I don't know if that will be good enough to return life back to "normal". I suppose it depends on the lifestyles of those who are not immune.
There is no way to guess something that the authorities have not even guessed at yet. All I can tell you is that I will be paying my rent up for the next year when I leave here on the 31st.You aren't staying after the 31st? Will I be the last man standing? We need to hit up WS together one last item before you leave. I've been hanging with the Dukester and Hakeem the Dream.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1953220/foreigners-can-apply-for-visa-extension-after-july-31
The original source of the information was written in Thai and read by my friends Thai wife. About 15 hours ago she reported that the Rayong situation has put a hold on everything, perhaps another 6 months.
The entire situation is fluid. I worry that even the introduction of a vaccine will be insufficient to stop this virus. Suppose that the vaccine is 75% effective and 80% of the population gets the vaccine. If I did the math right, that means only 60% of the population will be immune to COVID. I don't know if that will be good enough to return life back to "normal". I suppose it depends on the lifestyles of those who are not immune.The vaccine will not be distributed to the general population in the beginning. The first priority will be the elderly, most likely those who are older than 60 years. This is the most vulnerable age group. The second priority will likely be those with immune systems that have been compromised by some kind of disease or affliction. Once all those have been immunized, then the general population will begin to receive it. As soon as folks can flash their vaccination reports at the airlines, cruise ships and hotels, the tourism industries in every country will be celebrating.
The real problem with this pandemic is not the disease killing people, it is the damage it has done to the economic (and political) environments around the world. People who are without jobs are very unlikely to be planning expensive vacations in exotic locales. The world will be in a deep recession for a few years and many economic, political and social changes will be happening around the world. Hang on folks, it is going to be wild ride for the next few years!
The vaccine will not be distributed to the general population in the beginning. The first priority will be the elderly, most likely those who are older than 60 years. This is the most vulnerable age group. The second priority will likely be those with immune systems that have been compromised by some kind of disease or affliction. Once all those have been immunized, then the general population will begin to receive it. As soon as folks can flash their vaccination reports at the airlines, cruise ships and hotels, the tourism industries in every country will be celebrating.
The real problem with this pandemic is not the disease killing people, it is the damage it has done to the economic (and political) environments around the world. People who are without jobs are very unlikely to be planning expensive vacations in exotic locales. The world will be in a deep recession for a few years and many economic, political and social changes will be happening around the world. Hang on folks, it is going to be wild ride for the next few years!So being this is the end of the world as we know it because of this is "world pandemic" affecting a global economy. We are all connected somehow. And bad news is that COVID-19 keeps mutating and the data keeps changing. Go to worldometer and look at those Coronavirus graphs. It's not going away when looking at a world wide perspective and just not with a New Zealand, Vietnam, or Thailand rose colored glasses. We only have one Earth to travel. If that "entire" Earth is not fixed, there will be NO normalcy to international travel. Just a few weeks ago, data emerged that COVID-19 was found in sewage and waste water in Spain way before the first case in Wuhan. So what is the conspiracy with the origin of COVID-19 again? And you are absolutely correct, a vaccine is not the end. What is the effectiveness of the FLU vaccine? How many strains of COVID-19? What about those who refuse to do vaccines for themselves and their kids because it infringes on their individual liberties? What about those who fake medical documents to fly? One foreign case in Rayong has Thailand up in arms right now. Imagine if international travelers came back and imported a few cases. And you can't compare this to Spanish Flu in early 1900's. Why? Because the world was not "global" and heavy on tourism and hospitality like it is now. So just one solution. God.
There is no way to guess something that the authorities have not even guessed at yet. All I can tell you is that I will be paying my rent up for the next year when I leave here on the 31st.What is this about paying rent while not living there? Is there something forcing you to?
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I got a Line message today. One of my Rayong Thai bar girls is p1 ssed that a guy from Egypt got in and brought COVID with him to Rayong.Such a ruckus about 1 guy who was an asymptomatic carrier. Maybe no country was interested in Thailand's "travel bubbles" on Thailand's terms, and Thailand needed a pretext to save face? If not we can kiss good-bye to the idea of ever travelling to Thailand again in our lifetime.
Mr Enternational
07-18-20, 16:04
What is this about paying rent while not living there? Is there something forcing you to?No. But I have had the same room for 10 years and all my stuff is here. I go back and forth. All I come and go with is my tablet and things I have bought to bring either way. It is only 4500 baht/month. Some people pay that for a place or gogo girl for 1 day. Looks like they will change it so that we can stay until 26 September without visa extension though.
There is no way to guess something that the authorities have not even guessed at yet. All I can tell you is that I will be paying my rent up for the next year when I leave here on the 31st.Are Thai leases typically paid in full upfront before moving in or as 12 monthly payments?
Banana Boi
07-19-20, 00:35
Are Thai leases typically paid in full upfront before moving in or as 12 monthly payments?Monthly payments.
Banana Boi
07-19-20, 00:42
Now this in interesting. It shows how inaccurate those figures on Worldometres are for countries. You'll see 271 k cases for Iran. Today the President of Iran said up to 25 million Iranians have been infected by COVID. Very very scary if true and I'm sure they aren't the only country lying about the true numbers for political and economic reasons.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-estimates-25-million-coronavirus-cases
The vaccine will not be distributed to the general population in the beginning.
The bigger issue is that if there is a vaccine the country who develops it will likely keep most of it if needed and then it will be distributed to only the richest and most powerful countries. They aren't selling a vaccine for $50 to a third world country when USA will pay $5000 per dose.
Thailand news keeps giving the impression that they are near a vaccine. Imagine if Thailand was first to discover a vaccine that worked? They would become the richest country in the world.
LittleBigMan
07-19-20, 01:58
No. But I have had the same room for 10 years and all my stuff is here. I go back and forth. All I come and go with is my tablet and things I have bought to bring either way. It is only 4500 baht/month. Some people pay that for a place or gogo girl for 1 day. Looks like they will change it so that we can stay until 26 September without visa extension though.Correct it is easier if you visit often. I have family and friends who rent like you come and go use Thailand as a base and just keep their small room it also comes in handy since I have their keys in case of emergency and those keys come in handy whenever I need to use their room for ST, heh heh.
Not so fast on the extension the article I read sound like they aren't going to allow for the extension but the operative word seem to be " request " you can request an extension until the end of September that might = some baht?
The bigger issue is that if there is a vaccine the country who develops it will likely keep most of it if needed and then it will be distributed to only the richest and most powerful countries. They aren't selling a vaccine for $50 to a third world country when USA will pay $5000 per dose.
Thailand news keeps giving the impression that they are near a vaccine. Imagine if Thailand was first to discover a vaccine that worked? They would become the richest country in the world.They are reporting that the antibodies in people who had covid rapidly dwindle in 90 days. So a vaccine will be pointless because the antibodies one gets from the vaccine will also vanish in 90 days. And as long as the USA keeps paying the hospitals an extra $49,000 for every covid death the US will keep on leading the pack.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650
So being this is the end of the world as we know it because of this is "world pandemic" affecting a global economy. We are all connected somehow. And bad news is that COVID-19 keeps mutating and the data keeps changing. Go to worldometer and look at those Coronavirus graphs. It's not going away when looking at a world wide perspective and just not with a New Zealand, Vietnam, or Thailand rose colored glasses. We only have one Earth to travel. If that "entire" Earth is not fixed, there will be NO normalcy to international travel. Just a few weeks ago, data emerged that COVID-19 was found in sewage and waste water in Spain way before the first case in Wuhan. So what is the conspiracy with the origin of COVID-19 again? And you are absolutely correct, a vaccine is not the end. What is the effectiveness of the FLU vaccine? How many strains of COVID-19? What about those who refuse to do vaccines for themselves and their kids because it infringes on their individual liberties? What about those who fake medical documents to fly? One foreign case in Rayong has Thailand up in arms right now. Imagine if international travelers came back and imported a few cases. And you can't compare this to Spanish Flu in early 1900's. Why? Because the world was not "global" and heavy on tourism and hospitality like it is now. So just one solution. God.If this is your perception of the situation, then this must be the "End of Times" as the Holy Bible foresees. Not quite the "Rapture" as people are not dying or disappearing in mass numbers. These times are rather a good opportunity for all of us to reflect and consider how we are treating each other and not just because we are facing the coming end of the world. You are right that we should be looking at the issue of what "God" has in store for all of us.
Most religions of the world have in common one overriding goal as I see it. It is to provide a social framework for people to live in some sort of civilized nature to allow for the betterment and advancement of mankind. My view is that this is the beginning of a new battle for religious and social freedom (ie good and evil) between dictatorships like China, Iran and Russia, and the rest of the free world.
It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!
If this is your perception of the situation, then this must be the "End of Times" as the Holy Bible foresees. Not quite the "Rapture" as people are not dying or disappearing in mass numbers. These times are rather a good opportunity for all of us to reflect and consider how we are treating each other and not just because we are facing the coming end of the world. You are right that we should be looking at the issue of what "God" has in store for all of us.
Most religions of the world have in common one overriding goal as I see it. It is to provide a social framework for people to live in some sort of civilized nature to allow for the betterment and advancement of mankind. My view is that this is the beginning of a new battle for religious and social freedom (ie good and evil) between dictatorships like China, Iran and Russia, and the rest of the free world.
It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!"A closing narration explains that the aliens' immune systems could not handle the countless billions of microbes that inhabit the Earth, and that humanity has "earned" the right to the planet by virtue of naturally coexisting with the rest of its biosphere."
Metaphorically speaking, aliens are who? The aggressors? Humanity is who or what? Lesson to all is to learn to coexist with everything that is around you. The end of the world is not such a bad idea if you knew that the world was actually "hell. " Look at all the pain and suffering since the beginning of time. In that case, we all wait until God comes and delivers us from this evil. Wait until you see what God actually means.
Here is a hint: "They or Them."
See what I mean when I say "if there are closed borders, no international travel, or travel restrictions" then the existence of "an entire global world" had just ended. You are limited to your own freedom or lack of freedom to travel. This becomes your tiny world. As if you have a North Korean passport, Australia might as well be a fairy tale. If there is a beach paradise somewhere across the other side of the Earth, but you aren't allowed, then does it even exist in your world? Pointless right? So many loop holes with COVID-19. Thailand and the minds of the Thais are made up because of the propaganda that this is a "foreign" disease. Good luck to you all in coming back, even with a vaccine for a mutating virus that is only 40-50% effective. The Thai people are basically saying they want their country back and for the government to stop selling their sons and daughters to be the play toys of other countries.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1953916/95-say-no-foreigners-to-prevent-2nd-covid-wave-poll
GettingFedUp
07-19-20, 10:16
They are reporting that the antibodies in people who had covid rapidly dwindle in 90 days. So a vaccine will be pointless because the antibodies one gets from the vaccine will also vanish in 90 days.No longer having antibodies (or low levels of antibodies) is not necessarily a problem. Having produced antibodies the immune system maintains a kind of database of what it has to do in response to a particular pathogen. These are called MemoryB cells.
As the SARS-CoV-2 virus is effectively new to humans the immune system is initially slow to work out how to deal with it meaning it has massively replicated in the body before the immune response kicks in. Also the immune system may over-react causing massive damage (cytokime storm). With a second exposure to the virus the body already has the instruction manual on how to deal with it even if it has to build a new tool kit to do so. Building a known tool kit is far faster than working out by trial and error which tools you need and then having to build them.
Just wait for Russia to go back into Ukraine and Easter Europe, knowing that trump won't do shit. Putain is setting himself up as dictator for life.
It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!
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...........It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!However rough the ride may be it will not involve a third world war. A war with the US against Russia and China would result in, as they say, MAD (mutual assured destruction) and I think neither of these countries want suicide. Lets say the US was to use surprise tactics and nuke Russia in its entirety, the Russians would be the lucky ones for their deaths would be swift. The resulting nuclear winter from such an attack would result in a slow and painful death for the rest of humanity. Mankind has been proven unable to contain viruses so even biological warfare would result in MAD.
"A closing narration explains that the aliens' immune systems could not handle the countless billions of microbes that inhabit the Earth, and that humanity has "earned" the right to the planet by virtue of naturally coexisting with the rest of its biosphere."
Metaphorically speaking, aliens are who? The aggressors? Humanity is who or what? Lesson to all is to learn to coexist with everything that is around you. The end of the world is not such a bad idea if you knew that the world was actually "hell. " Look at all the pain and suffering since the beginning of time. In that case, we all wait until God comes and delivers us from this evil. Wait until you see what God actually means.
Here is a hint: "They or Them."When I am once again able to return to Thailand for vacation, I will make it a point to take a day off to buy you a drink and share some stories. I foresee returning later this year or early next year without any earth shattering events that could alter those plans. See you soon! Meanwhile test a lot of those girls out and share your experiences with all of us until then.
However rough the ride may be it will not involve a third world war. A war with the US against Russia and China would result in, as they say, MAD (mutual assured destruction) and I think neither of these countries want suicide. Lets say the US was to use surprise tactics and nuke Russia in its entirety, the Russians would be the lucky ones for their deaths would be swift. The resulting nuclear winter from such an attack would result in a slow and painful death for the rest of humanity. Mankind has been proven unable to contain viruses so even biological warfare would result in MAD.Any war that occurs need not necessarily result in an exchange of nuclear missiles. Iran, China and Russia (ICR) have a lot more to lose than the US. They cannot be dictatorships if their populations are all dead or pissed off at them for starting a war that destroys them politically and economically. So pushing the button to launch nukes our way is going be out of the question.
The ICR are going to push at the most of border skirmishes and land grabs like the Ukraine, India or South China Sea. If the push back is serious, they will be forced to back down. For example, if the UN decides to blow the "new" islands in the South China Sea that China claims back in to the ocean, what would the PRC do? Pretty much nothing. Big talk from a bunch of political bureaucrats who are in reality more afraid of the fellow Politburo members than the US.
Beijing4987
07-20-20, 02:44
If this is your perception of the situation, then this must be the "End of Times" as the Holy Bible foresees. Not quite the "Rapture" as people are not dying or disappearing in mass numbers. These times are rather a good opportunity for all of us to reflect and consider how we are treating each other and not just because we are facing the coming end of the world. You are right that we should be looking at the issue of what "God" has in store for all of us.
Most religions of the world have in common one overriding goal as I see it. It is to provide a social framework for people to live in some sort of civilized nature to allow for the betterment and advancement of mankind. My view is that this is the beginning of a new battle for religious and social freedom (ie good and evil) between dictatorships like China, Iran and Russia, and the rest of the free world.
It has been 75 years since the last battles for the hearts and minds of the world, so I expect we are due for another go at it again. I am betting on the "good guys" to win again in a war that will take more than the 36+ million deaths in WWII unfortunately. China started last fall when it unleashed the Wuhan virus on the world. The new laws in Hong Kong and new "islands" in the South China Sea are like the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII. Again, we are in for a rough ride in the next few years!If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?
CenTexCrash
07-20-20, 03:13
Hi thread,
Not sure if anyone on forum can help me with this logjam, back in April, Korea Airlines had a secret sale for Dallas-Bangkok $345 rt. I booked one flight in August and exact same flight in November. My original idea was use the August trip as a gateway to places around SEA, may involve landing in BKK Friday night, stay at a hotel and catch a flight out of DMK first thing Saturday morning. Maybe will have time to check the BK / PT monger scenes. Especially since looks like Bali is off the menu for now.
Scouring internet for official advisories about US Citizens allowed into Thailand, even for under 24 hour self transit purposes. It's a lot of info to absorb plus current alerts good thru July 31. Has anyone heard off the grapevine if restrictions will ease up by August 1? Or file under "wishful thinking"?
GettingFedUp
07-20-20, 03:42
It's a lot of info to absorb plus current alerts good thru July 31. Has anyone heard off the grapevine if restrictions will ease up by August 1? Or file under "wishful thinking"?CTC,
The short answer is you've got no chance.
The proposed "easing" on 1 August looks like being for migrant workers to work in construction or food export and foreigners organising trade shows, who work in film production or hold an Elite Visa. (https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1954051/foreigners-migrant-staff-influx).
These are in addition of the limited categories already permitted entry https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php (beneath the scoreboard).
ALL will be subject to 14 days quarantine which in the case of foreigners is at their own expense.
I'd venture that your November flight belongs in the "wishful thinking" file, the August one in the file marked "abandoned hope".
If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?You can tell your CCP or Xinhua masters that you did your duty to defend the errant ways of the decadent westerners who defame the honor of China. The fact that the CCP has trolls like you on this kind of website shows the level of fear it has for "Truth, Justice and the American Way"! LOLOL. The Politburo are just as scared of their own members who might turn on them to gain an advantage in their bureaucratic rise to the inner circle of power. Meanwhile at the same time they are planning their escape route should they get put on the termination list some where. Retirement in the CCP is more likely a bullet in the head than a nice lifetime pension! Have fun in Beijing and watch your back.
Beijing4987
07-20-20, 06:07
You can tell your CCP or Xinhua masters that you did your duty to defend the errant ways of the decadent westerners who defame the honor of China. The fact that the CCP has trolls like you on this kind of website shows the level of fear it has for "Truth, Justice and the American Way"! LOLOL. The Politburo are just as scared of their own members who might turn on them to gain an advantage in their bureaucratic rise to the inner circle of power. Meanwhile at the same time they are planning their escape route should they get put on the termination list some where. Retirement in the CCP is more likely a bullet in the head than a nice lifetime pension! Have fun in Beijing and watch your back.Did you bother to read and digest my response to your post? No. Instead you tried to tar me as sympathetic to the CCP, which I am not. I even stated that. China has enough economic and political power to challenge "the land of the free and the home of the brave, in god we trust, but not militarily. The US has 800 bases around the world, controls the oceans, and has China surrounded.
You and I have no control how this will play out. You are correct about the people in the power structure being nervous and watching their backs, but Xi has taken out those in the rival Jiang Zemin faction by jailing them for corruption, not by "a bullet in the back of the head. By the way, I chose my handle randomly. I dislike Beijing. The people are very aggressive and rude. I stay in Shanghai and Suzhou. If you had checked out my posts about these locations you would realize I'm not a stooge for the CCP. As I advised you before, do your homework before you make erroneous statements about "hearts and minds". The Land of Free was taken by force by European invaders and built by slave labor. The Land of the Free has a long ugly history around the world and many have not forgotten. This is my last response to you. I'll have fun in Shanghai when foreigners are allowed in again.
When this all started, I wrote this will be all about "the haves, the have nots, inequality, and social injustice" spotlighted by a global pandemic that seems to have no end. Nothing has change. Look around the world and you are seeing a perfect storm brewing with all the chaos. I suggest people go out and do whatever is on your bucket list or fuck whatever hot girl you can find or have an orgy. The end is the end.
LittleBigMan
07-20-20, 12:11
If you review facts in history rather than a 2,000 year old story you will notice that Hong Kong was taken by force by the British Empire after the two wars to force opium grown in India on China to pay for goods in lieu of silver, which China demanded. UK won the wars and took over China for 100 years. I'm not apologizing for China's behavior to keep the CCP in power, but sanctions will not cow Xi Jing Ping. He has survived multiple attempts to kill him and infighting inside the party. Hong Kong is not pre 1939 Eastern Europe. By the way, do you include Joseph Stalin as a good guy, since his country resisted German aggression? The Covid19 first noticed in Wuhan is a zoonotic disease, jumping to humans from animals according to scientists. Religions and governments evolved to keep the tribe in line. You are correct about the rough ride. Don't gloss over the complexities of diplomacy and militarism. Do some research. China is asserting itself after many years of jingoism and intervention by western powers, and are playing a long game strategy. By the way, the US Military did not win the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese population. Nike was a big winner. Eh?Being a Chinese American born and raised have family stories as to what the Japanese then the Communist did to my family in China. Still have many relatives in China and Hong Kong, in the end, I say " Get over it and tell the Commie leader Xi the same what is done is done why live in the past with all this be. S. About taking revenge and all this stuff is mines " the reason China asked to be part of the outside world WTO, WHO, United Nation is to move past this stuff if they can't I'm all for a WAR! Bring it on! I'm old enough lived a good life (of course could be better always) and gotten more than my share of pussy! If the world is coming to an end BRING IT ON EVEN THE NUKS! Maybe this should be moved to the " Stupid shit in Thailand "?
Pimpampoumpipo
07-20-20, 13:14
"A closing narration explains that the aliens' immune systems could not handle the countless billions of microbes that inhabit the Earth, and that humanity has "earned" the right to the planet by virtue of naturally coexisting with the rest of its biosphere."
"in a cubic meter of air, there are between 1. 7 and 40 million viruses! For bacteria, the range is lower: between 860,000 and 11 million individuals per cubic meter. Contrary to what one might imagine, the width of the forks is not linked to the collection sites but to the seasons in which the surveys were carried out. The number of viruses in the atmosphere increased during the winter, peaking in January, and then dropped as spring approached. ".
Le Monde 10-10-2012.
Member #4698
07-20-20, 17:51
Did you bother to read and digest my response to your post? No. Instead you tried to tar me as sympathetic to the CCP, which I am not. <snip> I'll have fun in Shanghai when foreigners are allowed in again.Well, I don't know where your sympathies lie and I don't care. Ha Ha. But you do seem to ignore some very relevant recent HK history. I wonder why?
As far as Fun in Shanghai goes: you can have that town. It is over priced and unsafe. Enjoy! It can't hold a candle to BKK, Pat, CGK, MNL or even Singapore or Macau. I wouldn't spend a night in Shanghai let alone punt there under the pre-Corona laws and I can't imagine the place getting any better post Corona or should I say post-Wuhan.
BTW, the Mainland totalitarians have already fucked up HKG mongering. That city was still pretty good for our mutual past time only 8 or 9 years ago. But it really sucks now and I am talking pre-freedom demonstrations back in fall 2018 and earlier. Read my trip report in HKG thread as of that November 2018 date.
Anyway here is a good summation of recent HK/China History and why it should matter to everyone:
"On December 19,1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a "one country, two systems" policy by China's communist government. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher called the agreement "a landmark in the life of the territory, in the course of Anglo-Chinese relations, and in the history of international diplomacy. " Hu Yaobang, the Chinese Communist Party's secretary-general, called the signing "a red-letter day, an occasion of great joy" for China's one billion people.
At midnight on July 1, 1997, Hong Kong was peaceably handed over to China in a ceremony attended by numerous international dignitaries, including British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Chinese President Jiang Zemin, and USA Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. A few thousand citizens of Hong Kong protested the turnover, which was otherwise celebratory and peaceful. The chief executive of the new Hong Kong government, Tung Chee Hwa, did enact a policy based upon the concept of one country, two systems, thus preserving Hong Kong's role as a principal capitalist center in Asia.
Massive anti-government protests in Hong Kong began in June 2019, when more than 1 million people marched to protest a bill that would allow the extradition of people to mainland China to stand trial. The bill was later dropped, but anti-government unrest remains. ".
Then the last straw, " Hong Kong's "one country, two systems" formula enshrined in the 1997 handover of the British colony to China was nixed by China's Parliament when it passed the controversial National Security Law for Hong Kong that will provide Beijing with enforcement powers to prohibit and punish acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and foreign interference in the special administration region. President Xi Jinping signed a presidential order promulgating the law after it was approved by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. The law makers had fast tracked the legislation by passing it on the last day of a special three-day session that began on Sunday, 28 June 2020."
Beijing4987
07-20-20, 19:31
Well, I don't know where your sympathies lie and I don't care. Ha Ha. But you do seem to ignore some very relevant recent HK history. I wonder why?
As far as Fun in Shanghai goes: you can have that town. It is over priced and unsafe. Enjoy! It can't hold a candle to BKK, Pat, CGK, MNL or even Singapore or Macau. I wouldn't spend a night in Shanghai let alone punt there under the pre-Corona laws and I can't imagine the place getting any better post Corona or should I say post-Wuhan.
BTW, the Mainland totalitarians have already fucked up HKG mongering. That city was still pretty good for our mutual past time only 8 or 9 years ago. But it really sucks now and I am talking pre-freedom demonstrations back in fall 2018 and earlier. Read my trip report in HKG thread as of that November 2018 date.
Anyway here is a good summation of recent HK/China History and why it should matter to everyone:
"On December 19,1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a "one country, two systems" policy by China's communist government. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher called the agreement "a landmark in the life of the territory, in the course of Anglo-Chinese relations, and in the history of international diplomacy. " Hu Yaobang, the Chinese Communist Party's secretary-general, called the signing "a red-letter day, an occasion of great joy" for China's one billion people.
At midnight on July 1, 1997, Hong Kong was peaceably handed over to China in a ceremony attended by numerous international dignitaries, including British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Prince Charles, Chinese President Jiang Zemin, and USA Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. A few thousand citizens of Hong Kong protested the turnover, which was otherwise celebratory and peaceful. The chief executive of the new Hong Kong government, Tung Chee Hwa, did enact a policy based upon the concept of one country, two systems, thus preserving Hong Kong's role as a principal capitalist center in Asia.
Massive anti-government protests in Hong Kong began in June 2019, when more than 1 million people marched to protest a bill that would allow the extradition of people to mainland China to stand trial. The bill was later dropped, but anti-government unrest remains. ".
Then the last straw, " Hong Kong's "one country, two systems" formula enshrined in the 1997 handover of the British colony to China was nixed by China's Parliament when it passed the controversial National Security Law for Hong Kong that will provide Beijing with enforcement powers to prohibit and punish acts of secession, subversion, terrorism and foreign interference in the special administration region. President Xi Jinping signed a presidential order promulgating the law after it was approved by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress. The law makers had fast tracked the legislation by passing it on the last day of a special three-day session that began on Sunday, 28 June 2020."Zhang Zemin is a red **** hair away from a prison sentence, as experienced by his underlings. Boo hoo. The new boss broke a treaty with the former British Empire and the World, and is flexing his and the collective CCP muscle. Ronald Reagan got legacy points for treaties that both sides have broken. I'm well aware of recent Hong Kong history. I have sympathy only for those that suffer from injustice, not for any regimes or institutions. Shanghai has other benefits besides pussy. In that regard I can't compare it to those well travelled in Asia. My work and regular pussy is there. China is a police state and other countries are heading in that direction as demagogues emerge and technology abets them. A new book about Joseph McCarthy, called "Demagogue" profiles his rise and fall. I read the Thai threads for entertainment and intel for future trips, but they have cascaded into huge pissing contests. And my ego drew me in to call into question one pissers view of history repeating itself. American lawyer and demagogue Roy Cohn wrote the Bible of dirty tricks and subversion. Joe McCarthy and those that follow know what works. I can’t change my handle, but would consider Shanghai4987 or Suzhou4987
Banana Boi
07-22-20, 01:07
I thought this was a sex board. Not a history and political board. Boring!
Pimpampoumpipo
07-22-20, 15:31
I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=xiMysGHKe9U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2jpojPnhBZXjSnnUdm6b_i898v8YS-YATafx2VmBru6LTjVBZAjQmlK58.
I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=xiMysGHKe9U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2jpojPnhBZXjSnnUdm6b_i898v8YS-YATafx2VmBru6LTjVBZAjQmlK58.I mentioned before. All it takes is a letter from a medical provider to be given to the local Thai Embassy for that certification or travel. It's what called a bribe even if it represents a down payment. Nobody can force you to undergo a medical treatment or surgical procedure "once you arrive. " You will still have to pay at the minimum 30,000 baht for quarantine at an ASQ which gave kick backs to the Thai government. You only mission is to get into the country. You can cancel COVID insurance at any time. Once here, you can apply for extensions or a O volunteer visa, unless you already have another type of visa on file. How much do you do for want to be here for the end of the world?
One mission: Just get in.
I am willing that we take precautions and that we make checks but there they are completely freaked out https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=xiMysGHKe9U&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2jpojPnhBZXjSnnUdm6b_i898v8YS-YATafx2VmBru6LTjVBZAjQmlK58.Your link does not work (for me on more than one IP address and hardware). Maybe geospecific, but a waste of time and bandwidth for those of us lured into clickbait and your enigmatic introduction.
Is this deliberate or coincidence?
Balimassage
07-22-20, 18:43
I thought this was a sex board. Not a history and political board. Boring!I second and third the motion. If there isn't a vagina in the post, don't post it.
Evidently the Nana Hotel freelancers were still there as recently as earlier this year. It seems only the names & faces have changed since I was last in Bangkok around 2014. Earlier today while watching a half dozen youtube videos of the location from 2015 to early 2020 I didn't recognize a single lady. Oh, and there's this place called Hooters that wasn't there before. In one video there were some sex workers standing in front of it.
In another video there were not many freelancers on lower sukhumvit from the NEP road to soi 5. While in the past there used to be many there, including Africans.
From relatively recent reviews of the Nana Hotel I've read, there were several reports of people finding the WiFi poor, something I had not previously experienced. I may have to reside elsewhere should I visit later this year, or in 2021 if LOS remains closed to farangs till the end of 2020. Which hotels have you found to have excellent WiFi?
Have you guys noticed any other changes in the NEP area in the past 5 years? Or in Thailand in general that people should be aware of?
Well, I don't know where your sympathies lie and I don't care. Ha Ha. But you do seem to ignore some very relevant recent HK history. I wonder why?
As far as Fun in Shanghai goes: you can have that town. It is over priced and unsafe. Enjoy! It can't hold a candle to BKK, Pat, CGK, MNL or even Singapore or Macau. I wouldn't spend a night in Shanghai let alone punt there under the pre-Corona laws and I can't imagine the place getting any better post Corona or should I say post-Wuhan.
BTW, the Mainland totalitarians have already fucked up HKG mongering. That city was still pretty good for our mutual past time only 8 or 9 years ago. But it really sucks now and I am talking pre-freedom demonstrations back in fall 2018 and earlier. Read my trip report in HKG thread as of that November 2018 date. Thanks for your many great reports, Natty.
I was surprised you said that about HKG. I'll have to check out your Hong Kong HKG November 2018 post.
BKK Bangkok.
Pat Pattaya?
CGK?
MNL Manilla?
What are your thoughts about Angeles City, PI? Cambodia? Vietnam? Taiwan? Malaysia? Indonesia? India? Napal? South Korea? Tokyo? Phuket, Thailand?
I'd guess all of China is relatively unsafe, getting worse & perhaps Hong Kong is also. And should we not add in Macau as well, since it also is under China's feet?
Pimpampoumpipo
07-23-20, 11:14
Your link does not work (for me on more than one IP address and hardware). Maybe geospecific, but a waste of time and bandwidth for those of us lured into clickbait and your enigmatic introduction.
Is this deliberate or coincidence?Specially for conspiracy theory enthusiasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMysGHKe9U&t=61s.
At least it shows that my posts interest you and it makes me happy.
Specially for conspiracy theory enthusiasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMysGHKe9U&t=61s.
At least it shows that my posts interest you and it makes me happy.Thanks, that one works fine for me.
Yes of course I'm interested. Maybe a bit grumpy from time to time and less appreciative than I should be. Must remember that it's nice to be nice (not a common trait on here it seems from some posters).
Pimpampoumpipo
07-23-20, 12:11
I mentioned before. All it takes is a letter from a medical provider to be given to the local Thai Embassy for that certification or travel. It's what called a bribe even if it represents a down payment. Nobody can force you to undergo a medical treatment or surgical procedure "once you arrive. " You will still have to pay at the minimum 30,000 baht for quarantine at an ASQ which gave kick backs to the Thai government. You only mission is to get into the country. You can cancel COVID insurance at any time. Once here, you can apply for extensions or a O volunteer visa, unless you already have another type of visa on file. How much do you do for want to be here for the end of the world?
One mission: Just get in.I thought about doing breast augmentation because I still have hair, my teeth are good and I'm not very keen on changing genders.
On the other hand I read somewhere that in the case of a surgical intervention you had to stay 14 days in the hospital and that it served as quarantine but I'm afraid that I will serve as a Guinea pig as in The Island of Dr Moreau ((Island Of Lost Souls) Erle C. Kenton (1932) version).
And noooooo I know what you're going to say, I don't need a penis enlargement either.
Otherwise you're right I'm looking for a way to get in (before the end of the world).
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Health-Care/Thailand-attracts-hordes-of-Chinese-patients-despite-COVID
I thought about doing breast augmentation because I still have hair, my teeth are good and I'm not very keen on changing genders.
On the other hand I read somewhere that in the case of a surgical intervention you had to stay 14 days in the hospital and that it served as quarantine but I'm afraid that I will serve as a Guinea pig as in The Island of Dr Moreau ((Island Of Lost Souls) Erle C. Kenton (1932) version).
And noooooo I know what you're going to say, I don't need a penis enlargement either.
Otherwise you're right I'm looking for a way to get in (before the end of the world).
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Health-Care/Thailand-attracts-hordes-of-Chinese-patients-despite-COVIDIn case of actual surgery, you will have to stay for post operation care. But the level of care is dependent on the type of surgery and where you had the surgery. This is a bribe system. The list of ASQs are out. These are all Thai brands hotels and businesses. This is just a big scheme to bring in foreign dollars and foreigners under those nose of the Thai locals who do not want them here because of COVID fears. They range from 30,000 to 150,000 I believe for 14 days. 30,000 is closer to the hospital rates. So what does that tell you?
https://thaiest.com/blog/list-of-alternative-state-quarantine-asq-hotels-thailand
If you have real surgery, less of a bribe. If you are using this to sneak in, they want you to stay at more posh hotels. Nobody can force you to have a surgery after consultation. Good time for dental work because it has to be done in steps. Cleaning X-ray and exam. Consult. Root canals. Then crowns. But you can stop at any point while you are already here as you are already committed to at least 30,000 baht spending for your first 14 days. Change your mind after cleaning, exam, x day and then use your deposit for a teeth whitening. My advice is drop 5,000 for a deposit via credit card that you can always charge back if they don't approve your certification of entry. Go dental. I even have a buddy that's using the sex change route to drum up Thai sympathy at the Embassy in Houston for his return. What they want to hear is that "previously you have stayed in Thailand and so most of your medical records and rapport is here. You need to come back. Or you want to spend big bucks to do procedures in Thailand because their hospitals are well reknown as tops in the world. They want you to act like you know they've rebranded their country and it's working.
https://www.thailand-business-news.com/health/79949-covid-19-pandemic-showcases-thailand-as-a-medical-wellness-hub.html
Remember to cancel that COVID-19 insurance once you test negative. So the expensive policy is for only a day or two. You will be tested on arrival. Your effective date starts day of travel. I heard there are repatriation flights leaving from only a few parts of the USA, so coordinate your flights to the departing airport. This all about the haves and the have nots. I'm not even sure if the extension until 26 of September is an extension or Grace Period. If it's an extension, then that means they are in not rush to kick anybody out who has money to live here. COVID is not going away even with a vaccine.
Right now, it seems that the best way to get to Thailand this year is to get an Elite visa, 500 K THB for 5 years.
Right now, it seems that the best way to get to Thailand this year is to get an Elite visa, 500 K THB for 5 years.Not having a crack at you here, but do you have a source for this? I can't find one. 500 K Thai Baht is US $16000 and for 5 years this means its around $3000 per year. A bit steep?
Not having a crack at you here, but do you have a source for this? I can't find one. 500 K Thai Baht is US $16000 and for 5 years this means its around $3000 per year. A bit steep?https://www.thailand-elite.net/easy-access---5-years1.html
GettingFedUp
07-25-20, 03:25
Not having a crack at you here, but do you have a source for this? I can't find one.https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1955703/thousands-of-foreigners-to-be-allowed-entry However, whilst the Government has announced it, I notice Immigration has not updated their website as yet. It was mooted that the change would be effective 1 August.
500 K Thai Baht is US $16000 and for 5 years this means its around $3000 per year. A bit steep?Less expensive than maintaining a Thai wife for 5 years or buying a business that will entitle you to a work permit (which I think you can only obtain in country but have to have the work permit to enter the country so catch 22 on that one). Other alternatives are a getting appointed to an Embassy or Consulate, bringing a film crew with you or getting a Myanmar, Laotian or Cambodian passport and working in a food factory.
I think the OP maybe meant that the Elite Visa is about the ONLY way for a tourist to get into Thailand at present. And even then you'll have to pay for 14 days quarantine (which is not self-isolation, "stay at home notice"" or similar but 2 weeks licking the windows of a hotel room).
https://www.thailand-elite.net/easy-access---5-years1.htmlThere are a number of agents offering this visa, https://www.thai-elite.com/ it costs 2 million for 20 years, 1 million for 10 years and obviously 500 K for five years. Note that each one gives you a five year visa which on the longer cards, you still need to reapply for.
The elite visa seems to be the best option to get into Thailand if you are not already a resident with family or one of the very few small groups allowed to enter. You still need to go through the entry process.
Right now, it seems that the best way to get to Thailand this year is to get an Elite visa, 500 K THB for 5 years.We are in a world pandemic still. Just like Airlines and Hotels and travel agencies still trying to maintain cash flow, so are governments who depend on tourism. But they can change their minds all of sudden, so proceed with caution.
I know of someone who applied, approved, and bank transferred the fee. Then contacted the Thai Embassy in Houston for an appointment only to be told because of COVID-19, no appointments until situation clears. Sounds very oh so special, privileged and elite?
Just look at this like a hot Thai GoGo bar girl at Baccara. You want to pay all upfront without knowing her actual services and performance? Don't get mad if you get a CBJ and hand job to finish when the fine print includes limited quotas on repatriation flights.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/comments/hwckf1/thailand_elite_email_regarding_entry_to_thailand/
I still recommend the "fake" medical tourist route with the ability to go step by step, no commitment, and ability to charge back your credit card for services not rendered. Does anybody know if the Elite Visa means you get to bypass the Thai Embassy approval process? If not, then there are many uncertainties.
https://www.thailand-elite.net/easy-access---5-years1.htmlThanks for that. I wouldn't have thought it would be that expensive. Ouch.
Less expensive than maintaining a Thai wife for 5 yearsThat's a good point.
GettingFedUp
07-25-20, 17:11
... if you are not already a resident with family..DandU.
This may appear pedantic but bear with me and I'll explain in due course. The term "Resident" has a specific meaning in Thailand. It is an immigration status involving lots of hoops. As a starting point holding a work permit for three consecutive years.
The only reason I point this out is that there are lots of expats who think because they live here long term year round (or most of the year) they think that makes them resident. It doesn't. It just means their residence (home / abode / habitual hovel / whatever) is in Thailand.
Some of these (not me I hasten to add) may be the ones who come a cropper at the end of the visa amnesty currently mooted for September. All the people who've been doing annual runs to Penang or Vientiane (or wherever) to get a 12 month tourist visa and then a border run every 90 days to stamp out and stamp back in face the prospect of not being able to do either given the ongoing border restrictions.
One Eyed Man
07-25-20, 18:12
There are a number of agents offering this visa, https://www.thai-elite.com/ it costs 2 million for 20 years, 1 million for 10 years and obviously 500 K for five years. Note that each one gives you a five year visa which on the longer cards, you still need to reapply for.
The elite visa seems to be the best option to get into Thailand if you are not already a resident with family or one of the very few small groups allowed to enter. You still need to go through the entry process.Do you know how these visas are arranged? Are these agents affiliated with the government, or are they just doing the paperwork for you?
Banana Boi
07-25-20, 18:55
Do you know how these visas are arranged? Are these agents affiliated with the government, or are they just doing the paperwork for you?This is the only site I would trust in getting your Thai Elite Visa. https://www.thailandelite.com/?locate=en.
Go to the Thailand consulate in your city to discuss the process in detail if you are serious in applying. It's a lot of money to shell out. Remember TIT.
First of all Thanks to the all senior members who keeps this forum alive. And am regular reader of this thread.
Basically I have exp in mongering to Indian cities only, and planning to taste foreign birds, I have some sort of doubts and seeking ideas or information against mongering in Thailand especially.
Hope seniors who are kind enough to help regarding below issues and my PM is active.
I am planning to travel after covid19 ends and starting my tour plan I have only limited days in my schedule lets consider only 3 days including travel or it can be extended to 5 days.
So during this 5 days I need to hunt as easy as I can other wise total tour plan will get spoiled.
Air travel itself I have to keep 1 day and remaining days from where easily I can find quality birds with good service.
Many People thinks Indian travellers are cheap and they mostly avoid to help but I am not that kind of and can able to spend good amount in mongering.
1. Is it easy to catch girls in Thailand as a Indian traveller or any specific places to go to in Thailand as a Indian monger.
2. I am considering to book the hotel which is very easy access to birds example any massage center with rented room facilities or any hotel they have bar and in house girls which is easy to spend my time there.
3. I am not into drinks and only planning to hunt beautiful birds as attached some example clicks here.
4. Which is best one for my short visit Bangkok or Pattaya or Phuket.
5. I can able spend on the other hand don't want to over run my wallet by get cheated what will be the normal rate or max rate for full night.
6. which is best taking bird to full night or get laid with countable birds for short time like 2 hrs or 3 hrs.
7. Which is best one to keep Thai bhat or in $ or Indian money in hand. Or which is best place to covert money near airport or any other.
8. Which is best place to hunt birds Massage or Bar or Freelancer or Escort sites.
I hope many seniors here have already planned and studied some about Airport to hotel and return for few days if possible kindly PM your ideas.
Thanks in advance.
Right now, it seems that the best way to get to Thailand this year is to get an Elite visa, 500 K THB for 5 years.500 K THB for 5 years? Wow, the Thais must really fancy their country.
Crocodilexp
07-26-20, 22:30
I am planning to travel after covid19 ends and starting my tour plan I have only limited days in my schedule lets consider only 3 days including travel or it can be extended to 5 days.It's way too early to plan now. Best to wait and see what the scene will look like after Covid-19 epidemic passes and borders are re-opened, that might take a year. Surely there will be some working girls around, but venues and numbers might change, so any pre-Covid stories are better taken as vague pointers (which may lead nowhere), not recommendations.
Generally speaking, Pattaya is better than Bangkok if mongering is your primary focus.
Crocodilexp
07-26-20, 22:34
Right now, it seems that the best way to get to Thailand this year is to get an Elite visa, 500 K THB for 5 years.Right now, you can't enter Thailand with the Elite visa. They are talking about allowing those people in, but until they actually start (and terms are clear regarding queuing and conditions), I would not be too eager to hand over 500 k baht.
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I arrived to Thailand 12 days ago and I am still in alternative state quarantine, which is compulsory for all foreigners, unless you want to go for a state facility. 15 days, three tests and 40 to 140 k bht depending on the hotel. I made by a NON-O visa as my kids have (also) thai passport. Even if you get the visa (which is very unlikely) for the time being you won't find any flight. Myself I had to travel on a cargo flight used also to repatriate stranded Thais.
Thb, I think you can forget about your plans at least for another 6 months, probably more.
Sorry for the bad news.
J.
First of all Thanks to the all senior members who keeps this forum alive. And am regular reader of this thread.
Basically I have exp in mongering to Indian cities only, and planning to taste foreign birds, I have some sort of doubts and seeking ideas or information against mongering in Thailand especially.
Hope seniors who are kind enough to help regarding below issues and my PM is active.
500 K THB for 5 years? Wow, the Thais must really fancy their country.Yeah really. What I find perplexing is that some are actually considering it. Seems they may be on to something. The quality of women I would get wherever I am for 16 k USD.
Banana Boi
07-27-20, 03:29
Many People thinks Indian travellers are cheap and they mostly avoid to help but I am not that kind of and can able to spend good amount in mongering.
1. Is it easy to catch girls in Thailand as a Indian traveller or any specific places to go to in Thailand as a Indian monger.
2. I am considering to book the hotel which is very easy access to birds example any massage center with rented room facilities or any hotel they have bar and in house girls which is easy to spend my time there.
3. I am not into drinks and only planning to hunt beautiful birds as attached some example clicks here.
4. Which is best one for my short visit Bangkok or Pattaya or Phuket.
5. I can able spend on the other hand don't want to over run my wallet by get cheated what will be the normal rate or max rate for full night.
6. which is best taking bird to full night or get laid with countable birds for short time like 2 hrs or 3 hrs.
7. Which is best one to keep Thai bhat or in $ or Indian money in hand. Or which is best place to covert money near airport or any other.
8. Which is best place to hunt birds Massage or Bar or Freelancer or Escort sites.As Croc says, too early to plan. May not be until 2022 until you get in to Thailand, if ever again.
You said you have a good amount to spend on mongering. Telling us your daily budget for girls and drinks would be helpful for any of us to help you making plans. Keep in mind many of these bars may have closed down by the time Thailand reopens its borders. Also, what was the best bars pre-COVID may certainly not be post-COVID. Mamasans take their girls to different bars if they don't like the bar they're in.
1. Sure you can get girls as an Indian. Smell nice, act politely, don't be cheap and buy drinks, and most importantly don't travel in a group of 6 Indian men like a pack of hyenas.
2. There are hotels right on Walking Street in Pattaya. They are inexpensive but definitely don't expect anything glamorous with a couple of exceptions. In Bangkok. , you can stay in Ruamchit Plaza hotel with Thermae in the basement. There are also plenty of hotels near Nana and Soi Cowboy. Providing a budget helps us make recommendations but again no use for us to make these recommendations until Thailand reopens its borders to your country.
3. Doesn't matter if you drink or not buying a drink is mandatory in most bars. Don't be cheap. Buy girls drinks!
4. Up to you. We can't answer that question for you. Read posts pre-February 2020 and get an idea of which city seems most appealing to you. Do you want massage places, point and shoot bars, gogo bars, BJ bars / G Clubs, beer bars, discos, freelancers, Thai Friendly?
5. A night with a girl can be as little as 1000 baht and as much as 10 k baht. Average would be 2-3 k baht. A gogo girls would cost 5-7 k baht.
6. Up to you. Short time is usually 1 hour. 2-3 hours would be considered Long Time in most cases. If I only had a couple of days I'd be going with 5 different girls in a day rather than 1 girl for LT.
7. Best to have Thai baht and currency to exchange. There is a rule when Immigration wants to enforce it that every person must carry 20,000 Thai baht when entering Thailand. I'd keep that amount just in case. If you need to exchange money go to TT Money Exhange. Yellow signs. When you are in town. Exchange rates in Thailand are very good.
8. Again, RTFF pre-February 2020 on the cities you are interested in. Only a few posters like EihTooms, MonkeyPaw, Mr. Enternational, etc. Have valid reviews post February, 2020. Don't always believe what you read. About half the posts on this forum are posted by the same guy under multiple handles.
Damn that was a lot of questions. You're lucky I'm bored tonight.
Hey Moderator, What is with the new Adult Friend Finder pop up adds that I just experienced on this web site after I logged in and clicked on new reports. They are very annoying! I wouldn't fuck those girls if you paid me $1000 per ****. I will quit posting and reading the ISG if these disgusting pop up adds can't be prevented.
A new low!
I don't get them. Shouldn't your antivirus software be blocking these?
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I am terribly sorry that you find having to x out one window every 24 hours so terribly onerous. I have no doubt that you have suffered a grievous injury from having to make that click, You can save yourself future trauma buy simply purchasing a membership and then you can turn them off.
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GettingFedUp
07-27-20, 04:57
I am planning to travel after covid19 endsAs others have replied, Thailand is all but closed for inbound travel and the chosen few who can get in have to do 14 days confined quarantine. This is unlikely to change for most for quite some time. The lack of inbound tourists means the mongering landscape has and will change significantly between now and things opening up.
7. Which is best one to keep Thai bhat or in $ or Indian money in hand. Or which is best place to covert money near airport or any other.
7. Best to have Thai baht and currency to exchange. There is a rule when Immigration wants to enforce it that every person must carry 20,000 Thai baht when entering Thailand. On the currency point the 20,000 can be the equivalent in foreign currency. The airport is probably just about the worst place to change money. Only use if you really have to and only the amount you need in order to get you to an exchange booth.
As well as TT, SuperRich certainly had the reputation for keen rates (it's been a while since I've used any because I just draw out of my Thai bank account). There are those who will spend a great deal of time going around checking the rates at multiple booths looking a few extra satang for their dollar. To me they can't value their time very much.
Exchanging twice, for instance from Rupees to Dollars and then on to Baht, is just letting two people make money on the transaction. Unless your home currency is not really recognised abroad (e. G. It didn't use to be officially possible to exchange Ukrainian Hryvnia outside Ukraine) then your own currency will do fine.
For spending it will have to be Thai baht pretty much everywhere. ATM machines accepting Visa / Mastercard amongst others are widely available but can be expensive both in fees (Thb 200 a time for the Thai bank + the card issuers fees) and exchange rates.
Banana Boi
07-27-20, 06:10
On the currency point the 20,000 can be the equivalent in foreign currency. Always remember TIT. Not all IO and airports are consistent. Get the wrong IO on the wrong day and this could be a major hassle. Happened to a friend of mine. Had the equivalence of 150k Thai baht on him in Euro and USD. Ran into the wrong IO and it took him 3 hours to get through Customs. It took a call from his Thai wife to shorten his detainment. Luckily he got in.
Mr Enternational
07-27-20, 07:29
Old girl was telling me there will be curfews again next month in order to curb protests such as the ones in Bangkok and Rayong.
MissionAsia
07-27-20, 10:05
1. Sure you can get girls as an Indian. Smell nice, act politely, don't be cheap and buy drinks, and most importantly don't travel in a group of 6 Indian men like a pack of hyenas.I really think this is one of the biggest things. I am white, but more swarthy (Mediterranean), and Thai girls still say I look sort of Indian (They have no issue with me, largely because I dress OK, am polite, and am not in a large group of guys. There is definitely some initial judging, though. It's unavoidable.
GettingFedUp
07-27-20, 14:18
Old girl was telling me there will be curfews again next month in order to curb protests such as the ones in Bangkok and Rayong.MrE,
After the Egyptian military went walkabout in Rayong I was told by a Thai friend who lives in the rural northeast that full lockdown, curfew and all, would be back in force the next day. Of course it wasn't.
I am not saying it won't happen but Thai's are so used to coups, crackdowns and other interventions by the army that it has become the default assumption.
Actually it's been 6 years since the last coup so perhaps we're overdue another! TiT Indeed.
Christian G
07-27-20, 14:27
The airport is probably just about the worst place to change money. Only use if you really have to and only the amount you need in order to get you to an exchange booth.Just go down to Floor B and you will find superrich, value+, and other exchange booths at very good rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3X_rU6vCs
HorseTrader
07-27-20, 17:13
.... ATM machines accepting Visa / Mastercard amongst others are widely available but can be expensive both in fees (Thb 200 a time for the Thai bank + the card issuers fees) and exchange rates.If you use the tight card, your financial institute will charge nothing, reimburse the local ATM fee, and give a great exchange rate. Mine is Fidelity and what I just wrote was verified for about 15 ATM transactions in February and March. Other cards have similar deals. I don't know what minimum balances might be required to get that perk. I also don’t know if such a card is available outside of USA.
GettingFedUp
07-28-20, 09:53
For any with lingering hope or expectation of the borders being flung open for quarantine free access any time soon "Thailand Minister of Tourism and Sports reassured what he said were nervous Thai nationals by saying all foreigners, regardless of VIP status, would be quarantined for fourteen days in the foreseeable future. ".
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/07/28/ministry-of-tourism-says-all-foreigners-coming-to-thailand-will-be-quarantined-in-foreseeable-future/
As stated before, this is a direct result of the Egyptian dip who went walk about, followed immediately after by an official from the Sudanese embassy who similarly broke quarantine and was found to be Covid positive.
I'm no fan of xenophobia, but the authorities have to play the long game and protect the country from any uptick in cases.
For any with lingering hope or expectation of the borders being flung open for quarantine free access any time soon "Thailand Minister of Tourism and Sports reassured what he said were nervous Thai nationals by saying all foreigners, regardless of VIP status, would be quarantined for fourteen days in the foreseeable future. ".
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/07/28/ministry-of-tourism-says-all-foreigners-coming-to-thailand-will-be-quarantined-in-foreseeable-future/
Right now, you can't enter Thailand with the Elite visa. They are talking about allowing those people in, but until they actually start (and terms are clear regarding queuing and conditions), I would not be too eager to hand over 500 k baht.How much would that suck if you had purchased an elite visa just prior to shutdown and now denied entry for what appears to be an indefinite period?
Franciscass
07-30-20, 04:42
For any with lingering hope or expectation of the borders being flung open for quarantine free access any time soon "Thailand Minister of Tourism and Sports reassured what he said were nervous Thai nationals by saying all foreigners, regardless of VIP status, would be quarantined for fourteen days in the foreseeable future. ".
https://thepattayanews.com/2020/07/28/ministry-of-tourism-says-all-foreigners-coming-to-thailand-will-be-quarantined-in-foreseeable-future/I just don't understand the mindset here.
Yes it's unreasonable to open up to visitors from any country where the pandemic is not well contained without needing to quarantine and test to ensure they are not bringing the virus with them. This obviously means visits less than a month may not be worthwhile.
That said if somebody who lives here on a long term retirement visa and is now stranded abroad or visitors intending to spend a couple of months here who are willing to undergo quarantine and effective testing there is no reason not to allow entry. The issue of being able to financially take care of any contingencies by way of insurance or proof of having the financial wherewithal is an understandable part of the deal.
What don't I get?
Banana Boi
07-30-20, 06:27
How much would that suck if you had purchased an elite visa just prior to shutdown and now denied entry for what appears to be an indefinite period?I may be wrong I haven't checked but I believe they are offering a 6 month extension on those who have bought the Elite Visa.
Why won't Thailand open its borders?
1. Money and power runs the world, not virtues and concerns.
2. If health and safety was the main issue, the HIV and AIDS epidemic would have closed Thailand way back when. But it didn't. See #1.
3. Thailand is a medium fish in a big pond.
4. USA, UK, China, Japan, Germany, and India. Those are big fish.
5. Thailand's economy is dependent on exports (over 2/3 of GDP).
6. China, USA, Japan are the biggest Thai trade partners.
7. Tourism is based on "bilateral" agreements between countries that offset with trade incentives. Go back to #1.
So does anybody really think that the Thais control their international "tourism" industry and borders during these times? The bigger fish are not going to let Thailand lure their citizens, their wallets, and their money with the Asian mystique, when their own countries' economies are in a recession. (See what the UK did with Spain). The bigger fish will punish Thailand with penalties on their exports, which is 66% of their GDP. I hate to tell people, but this is the real world. Not Disneyland, with everyone skipping in harmony and holding hands, while whistling "Mary Had a Little Lamb. " Thailand is not the pod boss in this prison. Good news is that they are self sustaining when it comes to food and making those smoothies, especially for Lithuanians. End of the world.
One Eyed Man
08-01-20, 18:37
This is the only site I would trust in getting your Thai Elite Visa. https://www.thailandelite.com/?locate=en.
Go to the Thailand consulate in your city to discuss the process in detail if you are serious in applying. It's a lot of money to shell out. Remember TIT.I'm still really curious about these Elite cards.
Is the card your visa, or does it help you get the visa, which is stamped in your passport? Thai immigration officials would have to know about these cards. I've also seen that for some Thai visas that you need to deposit a certain amount in a Thai bank to get the visa--do you have to do this in addition of paying the fee? It seems a way of getting a visa without having to deal with consulate paperwork.
Banana Boi
08-02-20, 06:55
I'm still really curious about these Elite cards.
Is the card your visa, or does it help you get the visa, which is stamped in your passport? Thai immigration officials would have to know about these cards. I've also seen that for some Thai visas that you need to deposit a certain amount in a Thai bank to get the visa--do you have to do this in addition of paying the fee? It seems a way of getting a visa without having to deal with consulate paperwork.I believe it's a 1 page Visa that is put in your passport similar to some of the other Visas Thailand offers. AFAIK there is no bank deposit needed for a Thai Elite Visa. I know there is a deposit of 800k baht required for an OA Retirement Visa. If you are over 50 just apply for an OA Visa for a nominal fee but of course this will not get you in to Thailand yet. Read Thaivisa.com if you have Visa questions. Then go talk to the Thai Consulate in your city. Imo 500k baht is a lot of money to chance.
GettingFedUp
08-02-20, 07:09
I'm still really curious about these Elite cards.
Is the card your visa, or does it help you get the visa, which is stamped in your passport? Thai immigration officials would have to know about these cards. I've also seen that for some Thai visas that you need to deposit a certain amount in a Thai bank to get the visa--do you have to do this in addition of paying the fee? It seems a way of getting a visa without having to deal with consulate paperwork.Most of your questions are answered in the FAQ on the Thailand Elite website.
https://www.thailandelite.com/faqs?locate=en
The visa is a 5 year multiple entry visa. Renewal is dependent on which level of membership is bought. 1 year maximum stay per visit but this can be extended at Immigration Offices.
Part of the add-on "benefits" of the scheme is meet and greet on arrival so if the membership is arranged outside the country they'll escort you through immigration and get the visa placed in your passport. They'll even give you a car into town (some cities) and concessionary golf green fees (some courses).
No bank deposit or income proof requirement.
However, you're likely to encounter just as much paperwork to obtain the Elite Card as you will for a regular visa, although it will only be once every 5 years (lowest priced option). You will still have to go through hoops to get a Certificate of Entry from the Thai Embassy / Consulate until such time as travel restrictions are eased.
Finally I have seen numerous press articles stating that Thai Elite are permitted entry from 1 August (this piece rounds up the current situation https://thepattayanews.com/2020/08/02/fact-check-is-thailand-open-to-all-international-tourists-starting-from-august/) but I have yet to see anything on official channels. Immigration (https://www.immigration.go.th/en/) still shows the "from 1 July" list (which does not include the Elite programme). The one Thai Embassy I checked also doesn't include it on the list.
LittleBigMan
08-03-20, 08:58
Just my 2 baht?
When the Elite Visa was purposed in 2013? I checked into it and I didn't have to read far to say to myself " who the fuck came up with this stupid shit to actually think anyone with any sense would shell out the money to get one " I've seen and met a lot of people living who can't tie their shoes and need and use people to get things done for them I also know this isn't inclusive of Thailand ex-pats living here.
Here is a bit of math I do the minimum elite cost is 500,000 baht for 5 years the last 5 years this is what I've spent in obtaining a Retirement Extension. I will exclude the trip I use to make once a year to the Embassy to obtain my letter of income verification since it has been discontinued. If you haven't reached any degree of dementia and organized it takes less than 5 minutes to get all my paperwork ready it takes longer to go to my bank and get a verification 100 baht. Sure you got to have a minimum of 800,000 and open a bank account and if you can't do this or want to give me a ring and I will lead you to an individual the cost will run you 20,000 baht and that price includes 5000 baht for me just to take you to the guy.
Last 5 years I've spent for my Extension 1900 for application X 5 = 9,500 baht, Single Entry Fee 1000 X 5 = 5,000 baht, Multi-Entry Fee 3800 = 19,000 baht Total 33,000 baht vs. 500,000 baht doing it myself I save 467,000 baht.
Here are some of the feature indicated by obtaining the Elite Visa, can open a Bank account never had a problem 20 years ago even before I started to live here, Driver license still got to go through the process can easily buy one like the Extension, still got to do the 90 days, suppose to get some privilege at the airport's clubs big deal? Whenever I go out / in at the airport even without an Elite I use the VIP lanes simple by faking a limp when with my brother he is 70 I just say I'm with him. Arriving majority of the time I show them my DL and use the Thai lanes.
This was all before the Virus today if you got an Elite you still need to go through all the processes just like any Thai National who wants to be repatriated to Thailand so what is the point of Elite. My brother has a Marriage Visa he is on the list with Business, Diplomats, Elite, if he leaves and wants to come back to Thailand, will have to go through all the same hoops. For 500,000 baht sorry nothing personal but one is got to be pretty stupid, hard-up, or just like to brag to apply for one even if you have the money you just want to throw away to me it is just worthless.
The closure is and was the sensible thing to do but this country hasn't even begun to feel the economic effects all their MP can blow all the smoke up everyone ass they want to make their people think they are above the Virus and that their own people will save the day and spend and the nearby tourist is coming I say dream on as each suggestion fails and the number doesn't come to fruit they will have to expand the opening even before a vaccine is found. Of course, my opinion is a bit bias since I want to leave and come back without any restrictions now that would be the good old days to me?
Mr Enternational
08-03-20, 10:05
Whenever I go out / in at the airport even without an Elite I use the VIP lanes simple by faking a limp when with my brother he is 70 I just say I'm with him. Arriving majority of the time I show them my DL and use the Thai lanes.When I go to other countries I show them a picture of when my foot got fucked up at Koh Tao to go to the handicap line. From now on if the line is long in Thailand I will show them my license as well to go to the Thai line and see how it works for me. Thanks for the tip.
When I go to other countries I show them a picture of when my foot got fucked up at Koh Tao to go to the handicap line. From now on if the line is long in Thailand I will show them my license as well to go to the Thai line and see how it works for me. Thanks for the tip.Or you could just fly business class like the rest of us who don't want to wait in line.
Shouldn't be an issue though. It's going to be very a long time before there are crowded airports anywhere in Asia.
LittleBigMan
08-03-20, 10:55
When I go to other countries I show them a picture of when my foot got fucked up at Koh Tao to go to the handicap line. From now on if the line is long in Thailand I will show them my license as well to go to the Thai line and see how it works for me. Thanks for the tip.A simple lapse at times I forgot that I wasn't? So far so good this mental game I play works here because I'm Asian and look like one of them? It is being respectful to your elders which might seem missed at times even here in Thailand but I figure if people are going to call me papa and Wai me all the time I'm going to use it to my advantage.
It is just my belief? I never get hassle at Immigration because people like to have their power with me it isn't about my ego nor loss of face stuff. I do all the right things that are needed so they can't use that power? I don't mind waiting when I have to I watch people every one I love this stuff it is just a game to past the time. When it is my turn I say Sawasdee Krup with a Wai hand them my passport once the lady at the 90 day counter looks at me looks at the clerk next to her and say in Thai " I've been here for 5 hours and not one fucker has given me a Wai until now " just the other day couldn't do my 90 online again drove down to Jomtien I was out in 1 minute the temperature took longer. The young girl at the information counter see me " Sawasdee Ka Papa " how she knows me when TreeTown first open she and her husband opened the Hot Dog kiosk the Chili taste like shit but I purchased once a week just to keep up the PR and conversation maybe one day it comes in handy? This is the same stupid shit throughout the Retirement Extension counter I play helpless even when I already know the answer the girl who hands you your passport back the next day and takes your photo on her phone is always extra helpful although my son is already married etc. While back she was really nice and helpful I ask her you got a boyfriend or husband told her not for me but for my son he is already married but I said he needs to trade up today she still remembers me.
As for the airport, it would be interesting if it works for you no harm in trying. You might want to also try using your Airline I. The. One of my cousins comes during high season pre virus at Taipei he orders a wheelchair when he arrives in Thailand he comes through the VIP lane the gather up his baggage with another guy then they wheel him out to arrivals where I'm waiting for him he tips them both a 100 baht time save one-hour big spender?
I'm not being cheap but for me, it is getting the best bang for my baht. I've traveled first and business class more when I was working the majority of the time because I was with the airline industry so I got the perks but it never spoiled me. Prior to leaving the industry, I had a lot of former employees move to other carriers in my early days travel to Thailand there was a seat available once the door closed I was moved in Business the seats and food great but one thing that bother me passengers seem to be so comfortable the gas odor was wild with some of these people. I'm not a big guy in fact as I noted I use Eva exclusively and find the economy seats a better fit to me than Economy plus I didn't even like the entertainment headset they gave out after a while even when I could get upgraded I decline as long as I got an aisle seat I was happy in the end how people what to spend their money is as they say " up to you " that includes even the girls but I guess if I was as big as The Rock going coach would me out of the question even before he made it big.
Banana Boi
08-05-20, 07:04
When the Elite Visa was purposed in 2013? I checked into it and I didn't have to read far to say to myself " who the fuck came up with this stupid shit to actually think anyone with any sense would shell out the money to get one " I've seen and met a lot of people living who can't tie their shoes and need and use people to get things done for them I also know this isn't inclusive of Thailand ex-pats living here.In normal times it's meant for those who are under 50 and do not quality for an OA Retirement Visa. Otherwise there is no other reason to get a Thai Elite Visa. However, with the possibility of being allowed to enter Thailand when you otherwise are unable to enter Thailand it puts a new twist on why people would obtain the Elite Visa.
Imagine if you happened to be out of Thailand when the lockdown began. Happened to a friend of mine on an OA Visa and he's still not back in Thailand.
If there are other ways for people under 50 to stay in Thailand as an expat I'm all ears. No, I am not teaching English in Buriram or marrying a Thai girl just to get in to a country.
I heard September 26 is the-Day for those on Visa Amnesty.
GettingFedUp
08-05-20, 08:33
If there are other ways for people under 50 to stay in Thailand as an expat I'm all ears.Staying is (or was) possible. See below. Getting in, not at the moment.
I heard September 26 is the-Day for those on Visa Amnesty.I'm guessing that the spell "correction" on here has changed "DDay" to the-Day.
26th September is "get out or overstay day" for people haven't got things straight by then. By "straight" I mean been granted an extension by Immigration or a shiny new visa of a category which will allow them to remain. The criteria for obtaining an extension are not specified although a letter from one's embassy stating that return home is not possible seems to be the minimum, although the "discretion of local Immigration Officials" may mean a brown envelope will suffice (or generally the use of an agency to provide the envelope). I have only seen the Australian Embassy announcing that they will issue such a letter to their citizens.
I don't think there are that many genuinely stranded visitors left. There have been outbound flights regularly pretty much throughout to Europe, Middle East and East Asia with onward connections to North America and Oceania. Also repatriation flights for Russians.
The people who face the biggest issue are those who have in the past played the system a bit. Quite a few didn't get the non-Imm OA or O (with 12 month extension for retirement) but chose the 12 month O (Tourist) visa which limits them to 90 days per entry. The choice would have been either because they don't meet the age criteria, can't or won't meet the financial criteria (income or money in a Thai bank account) or in the case of the OA they wouldn't get a clean criminal record check.
They used to go on a trip out of the country every 3 months to stamp out and stamp back in renewing their 90 days, with an annual trip to an overseas Thai Embassy or Consulate to renew. This visa run is no longer possible. Even if they are willing and able to go down the OA visa route they have a problem because the funds have to be in place for at least 2 months before application (and 3 months before renewal).
LittleBigMan
08-05-20, 09:43
In normal times it's meant for those who are under 50 and do not quality for an OA Retirement Visa. Otherwise there is no other reason to get a Thai Elite Visa. However, with the possibility of being allowed to enter Thailand when you otherwise are unable to enter Thailand it puts a new twist on why people would obtain the Elite Visa.
Imagine if you happened to be out of Thailand when the lockdown began. Happened to a friend of mine on an OA Visa and he's still not back in Thailand.
If there are other ways for people under 50 to stay in Thailand as an expat I'm all ears. No, I am not teaching English in Buriram or marrying a Thai girl just to get in to a country.
I heard September 26 is the-Day for those on Visa Amnesty.Don't get me wrong I'm not against getting an Elite never say never. Now if I was actually stuck outside Thailand and needed to get in I might shell out the 500,000 but as I noted the requirement is no different than for someone on the list "Marriage" going through the hoops are the same. As for the list if the Elite allowed me to just show a test cleared when I arrive I would gladly take another and even quarantine but otherwise there is no benefit to paying that amount. Pre-Covid there isn't any special benefit and now Post I still don't.
If I was stuck outside and I told my wife and son it would cost me that amount 100% they would tell me to stay put and just make that amount available at their Thai accounts. I could clearly come up with a number of creative options but it would take time to get the necessary documents, testing and stories straight but once in even if I was under 50 there are a number of illegal ways to stay as long as you like if one is willing to shell out that amount of money for an Elite one shouldn't have to wait in line?
The immigration people are missing their red envelop if one wants to stay they can stay even after September.
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I heard September 26 is (D)-Day for those on Visa Amnesty.Not to hold out false hope for those on the outside trying to get in on a normal short term visa, but I wouldn't be surprised if that date is the "Out With The Old, In With The New" dividing line Thailand has set and will fairly soon thereafter begin allowing international flights of family members, property owners, rental lease holders, tourists, visitors, business travelers, etc back in but with strict quarantine and financial responsibility requirements.
They will have somewhat successfully driven out most of the visa extension manipulators by then. They had already done much to drive out anyone on an O-A Non Immigrant (retirement) type visas that didn't really qualify for it financially or otherwise. After that, there would be no real reason for them not to start allowing fresh new paying customers back into the country as long as they really did pass the strict new requirements except for spite against certain countries.
Not saying it will be easy to enter Thailand on a normal short term visa soon after that date. But I would look for it to be doable with some measure of inconvenience and not the impossible-to-solve puzzle it appears to be now. Of couse, it will depend on available flights. But if and when there are any, I suspect Thailand will accept visitors who do indeed show no signs of the virus, are willing to endure quarrantine and can show they are capable of dealing with any medical issues on their own dime.
Just a hunch.
Which country has the more stable economy, Thailand or Colombia?
Which country has the more stable economy, Thailand or Colombia?A question worthy of long talk over many cold ones. Both are reasonably "middle income" - Colombia weathered a blistering internal war that raged for decades. But I think Thailand might have the slight edge. Unless tourism is more important to the GDP in Thailand than my non-scientific judgement assumes.
Corruption is rampant in both, but having never lived in Colombia I'm only guessing that the payoff game is slightly more predictable (and less dangerous) in the LOS than it is in Shakiralandia.
Banana Boi
08-06-20, 07:03
Still interested in Thailand? Here's a list of the 34 selected hotels for "alternative quarantine". Hotel #16 is 500 k baht (16,000 USD) for 14 days! Don't forget to add hospital expenses for testing, etc.
1. Movenpick Wellness Hotel BDMS Resort Bangkok with 250 rooms in conjunction with the hospital. Bangkok Deluxe occupancy rate is 60,300 baht / person / 14 days while Wellness Suites 68,700 baht / person / 14 days.
2. Cubic Hotel Sukhumvit, 79 rooms with Sukhumvit Hospital The occupancy rate is 32,000 baht / person / 14 days.
3. The Idle Residence, 125 rooms with Samitivej Hospital Junior suite occupancy rate is 60,000 baht / person / 14 days, Deluxe 55,000 baht / person / 14 days and superior 50,000 baht / person / 14 days.
4. Grand Richmond Hotel with 250 rooms in collaboration with Vibhavadi Hospital The accommodation rate is 55,000 baht / person / 14 days.
5. Royal Benja Hotel, there are 194 rooms shared with Sukhumvit Hospital. Rates for Deluxe Room City View 45,000 baht / person / 14 days.
6. Anantara Siam Bangkok Hotel, 118 rooms in combination with Bamrung Hospital Deluxe Room 92,000 baht / person / 14 days and Garden Terrace Room with a private balcony 144,000 baht / person / 14 days.
7. Grand Center Point Sukhumvit 55 Hotel, 198 rooms in collaboration with Sukhumvit Hospital Signature Deluxe 62,000 baht / person / 14 days, Corner Suite 55,000 baht / person / 14 days and Family Suite125,000 baht / person / 14 days.
8. Amara Bangkok hotel, 56 rooms with the Sukhumvit Hospital. Executive Room 50,000 baht / person / 14 days, Executive Connecting Room 59,000 baht / person / 14 days and Club 10 Room 99,000 baht / person / 14 days.
9. The Kinn Hotel, Bangkok, 61 rooms together with Wiparam Hospital Deluxe Room 30,000 baht / person / 14 days (family package 55,000 baht), executive room 35,000 baht / person / 14 days (family package 65,000 baht), junior room 40,000 baht / person / 14 Days (Family Package 85,000 Baht) and Suite Room 35,000 Baht / Person / 14 Days (Family Package 100,000 Baht).
10. Siam Mandarina Hotel, 120 rooms in partnership with Chularat 9 Airport, rate Non Smoking fee 42,000 baht / person / 14 days and Smoking 52,000 baht / person / 14 days.
11. Two 3 hotels in 50 rooms with Vibhavadi Hospital Superior Room 45,000 baht / person / 14 days and Executive Room 75,000 baht / person / 14 days.
12.189 Anantara Riverside Bangkok Resort hotels together with Bang Pakok Hospital 9 International Deluxe Room 73,000 baht / person / 14 days, Deluxe River View Room 75,000 baht / person / 14 days, Deluxe River Front Room 77,000 baht / person / 14 days and Junior Suite Room 79,000 baht / person / 14 days.
13. Tango Hotel, 30 rooms shared with Vibhavadi Hospital Rates for Superior Room 35,000 baht / person / 14 days and Deluxe Room 39,000 baht / person / 14 days.
14. Amari Buri Ram Hotel, 30 rooms in collaboration with TBA Hospital, Deluxe Room Pool View (36 sqm.) 54,500 baht / person / 15 days, Deluxe Room Pool Terrace (36 sqm.) 57,000 baht / person / 15 days and Grand Deluxe Room (40 sqm.) 60,000 baht / person / 15 days.
15. Anantara Mai Khao Hotel, Phuket, amount 36 villas together with Bangkok Phuket Hospital Occupancy rate of 220,000 baht / person / 15 days in the Pool Villa and 650,000 baht / 4 persons in the Two Bedroom Pool Villa for 4 people / 15 days.
16. Tri Sala Phuket Hotel, in collaboration with Bangkok Phuket Hospital Ocean View Pool Junior Suite 220,000 baht / 1 person / 14 days, Ocean View Pool Junior Suite 375,000 baht / 2 persons / 14 days and Ocean View Pool Junior Suite 500,000 baht / 3 persons / 14 days.
17. Grand Hotel Center Point Terminal 21,160 rooms in collaboration with Bumrungrad Hospital Rates for Deluxe Premium Room (40 sqm.) 80,000 baht / person / 16 days and Grand Suite Room (65 sqm.) 95,000 baht / person / 16 days.
18. O2 Luxury Hotel, 152 rooms in conjunction with the hospital. Chularat 3 Inter Deluxe Room Rate (40 sqm.) 38,000 baht / person / 15 days.
19. Tree Sukhumvit Hotel, 30 rooms, together with Vejthani Hospital Junior Suite Room with balcony (45 sqm.) 40,000 baht / person / 16 days.
20. The Princeton Hotel, Bangkok, 70 rooms shared with Vibhavadi Hospital Superior Room (27 sqm.) 29,000 baht / person / 16 days, Deluxe Room (40 sqm.) 32,000 baht / person / 16 days, Executive Room (45 sqm.) 35,000 baht / person / 16 days and Family Suites (63 sqm.) 40,000 baht / person / 16 days.
21. Best Western Plus Wanda Grand Hotel, 76 rooms shared with World Medical Hospital Superior Room (30 sqm.) 57,000 baht / person / 16 days.
22. Solaria Nishitetsu Bangkok Hotel 200 rooms In conjunction with Samitivej Hospital, Standard Room 60,000 baht / person / 16 days, Deluxe Room 70,000 baht / person / 16 days, Grand Deluxe Room 80,000 baht / person / 16 days and Solaria Room 100,000 baht / person / 16 days.
23. Anantara Phuket Suites and Villas Hotel, 100 rooms in partnership with Bangkok Phuket Hospital Occupancy One Bedroom Suite 99,500 baht / 1 adult / 16 days, One Bedroom Suite 155,000 baht / 2 adults / 16 days, One Bedroom Suite 200,000 baht / 2 adults + 1 child / 16 days, Two Bedroom Suite 185,000 baht / 2 adults / 16 days, Two Bedroom Suite 240,000 baht / 3 adults / 16 days and Two Bedroom Suite 295,000 baht / 1 adult / 16 days.
24. The Salil Hotel, Sukhumvit 57,70 rooms together with Samitivej Hospital Deluxe Suite (35 sqm.) 55,000 baht / person / 16 days and The Living Suite (45 sqm.) 65,000 baht / person / 16 days.
25. The Salil Hotel, Thonglor, 90 rooms in conjunction with Samitivej Hospital Rates for Superior Room (25 sqm.) 40,000 baht / person / 16 days and Deluxe Room (35 sqm.) 45,000 baht / person / 16 days.
26. Mytrium Hotel Sukhumvit 18 with 70 rooms shared with the hospital. Bumrungrad Studio Superior (34 sqm.) 58,000 baht / person / 16 days, One-Bedroom Deluxe (46 sqm.) 68,000 baht / person / 16 days, One-Bedroom Grand Deluxe (54 sqm.) 75,000 baht / person / 16 days and Two-Bedroom Suite (67 sqm.) 115,000 baht / person / 16 days.
27. Hotel ibis Styles Bangkok Sukhumvit, 60 rooms together with Samitivej Hospital Standard Room Rates (23-26 sqm.) 48,000 Baht / Person / 15 Days.
28. Hotel Mezzanine 200 rooms in conjunction with Sinphat Srinakarin Hospital Deluxe Room (32 sqm.) 33,000 Baht / Person / 15 days, Luxury Room (38 sqm.) 38,000 baht / person / 15 days, Executive Room (54 sqm.) 45,000 baht / person / 15 days and Family Site Room (90 sqm.) 85,000 baht / person / 15 days.
29. Royal Rattanakosin Hotel, 137 rooms with Piyavate Hospital Grand Deluxe Room 35,000 baht / person / 16 days (smoking room + 5,000 baht).
30. Conrad Bangkok Hotel, 100 rooms with Bumrungrad Hospital International Rates for Deluxe Room (41 sqm.) Starting at 137,000 baht / person / 16 days.
31. Royal Suite Hotel, 69 rooms together with Bangkok Hospital Rates for a Deluxe Room (45 sqm.) 44,000 baht / person / 16 days, One Bedroom Suite (60 sqm.) 52,000 baht / person / 16 days, Two Bedroom Suite (104 sqm.) 89,000 baht / 2 people / 16 days And Three Bedroom Suite (136 sqm.) 120,000 baht / 3 persons / 16 days.
32. Amanta Hotel and Residence, 60 rooms in association with Sukhumvit Hospital 1 Bedroom Deluxe (52 sqm.) 59,000 baht / person / 16 days, 1 Bedroom Executive (81 sqm.) 63,000 baht / person / 16 days, 2 Bedroom Deluxe (88 sqm.) 118,000 baht / 2 people / 16 Day, 2 Bedroom Executive (101 sqm.) 125,000 baht / 2 persons / 16 days and 3 Bedroom Deluxe (169 sqm.) 173,000 baht / 2 persons / 16 days. In addition, the additional expenses for 37,740 baht.
33. Ozone Hotel At Sam Yan, 40 rooms together with Wiparam-Chai Prakan Hospital Rates for Superior Room 35,000 baht / person, Deluxe Room 36,500 baht / person and Junior Suite 39,000 baht / person.
34. Shangri-La Hotel, Bangkok, 23 rooms in combination with BNH Hospital The occupancy rate of Krungthep Deluxe Balcony Room (44 sqm.) 125,000 baht / person / 16 days and Krungthep Deluxe Suite (84 sqm.) 200,000 baht / person / 16 days.
GettingFedUp
08-06-20, 11:04
Still interested in Thailand? Here's a list of the 34 selected hotels for "alternative quarantine". Hotel #16 is 500 k baht (16,000 USD) for 14 days! Don't forget to add hospital expenses for testing, etc.The ASQ charge includes testing. If you test positive you will be hospitalised but of course you have to be in possession of USD 100,000 of insurance to cover this.
Update on the Elite Visa. The press have been saying it is allowed entry but the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand announcement on 3 August (https://www.caat.or.th/th/archives/52448) does not include it. The only changes seem to be foreigners with Certificates of Residence, Work Permit holders can now bring family in and a tweak to the terms to allow migrant labour from neighbouring countries in.
If anyone is considering the Elite Visa, be very careful by checking with the Embassy or Consulate that you'll be able to get a certificate of entry before you proceed. Thai Elite may be rather more interested in hitting sales targets than giving realistic guidance. THB 500 k to 2 million is quite a lot to be out of pocket if you cannot use the thing.
The Creaper
08-07-20, 02:09
Still interested in Thailand? Here's a list of the 34 selected hotels for "alternative quarantine". Hotel #16 is 500 k baht (16,000 USD) for 14 days! Don't forget to add hospital expenses for testing, etc.Why comment on #16? No one is stupid enough to do that, but what about some of the more reasonable one around 35 k.
I might be desperate enough to do that one. Is anyone considering some of the more reasonable ones?
My question is how to get a flight out of America?
Banana Boi
08-07-20, 05:33
Why comment on #16? No one is stupid enough to do that, but what about some of the more reasonable one around 35 k.
I might be desperate enough to do that one. Is anyone considering some of the more reasonable ones?
My question is how to get a flight out of America?It may be a lot of money to some of us but not for others. You're American? You may be able to get a flight out of USA but likely won't be able to get in to Thailand before at least 2022 unless a proven vaccine is available.
It may be a lot of money to some of us but not for others. You're American? You may be able to get a flight out of USA but likely won't be able to get in to Thailand before at least 2022 unless a proven vaccine is available.Or, as Trump just referred to this country reading from his script soon after blasting Biden for supposedly being cognitively impaired; "Thigh-land"
And, no, this was one of the rare times he wasn't trying to be coarsely funny, dismissive, denigrating or insulting to a USA ally.
At least, I don't think he was.
Banana Boi
08-07-20, 19:53
If prices for girls were THE SAME everywhere which cities / countries would you be visiting the most to hobby? Based on girl's looks, service, attitude and the overall ease of hobbying.
I personally haven't included many cities like Prague / Budapest / London / Montreal / Toronto, etc with escorts only because imo not being able to see the girl before she appears at the door is not ease of hobbying.
Mine would be:
1. Dusseldorf / Frankfurt / Berlin.
2. Las Vegas
3. Switzerland
4. Tokyo / Osaka.
5. Bangkok / Pattaya.
MichaelSamuel
08-07-20, 21:17
Really think thailand can hold out on tourists until 2022? Sure I understand the sentiment toward the american dumpster fire that trump has started, but reality being that with way things are going America will keep seeding the rest of world so if you open up to anyone you are risking it coming in. Sure I don't want to believe I will be locked out until 2022 so I am not impartial, but I also just can't Thailand, or even most counties, for a vaccine, I just think they will give up before then.
It may be a lot of money to some of us but not for others. You're American? You may be able to get a flight out of USA but likely won't be able to get in to Thailand before at least 2022 unless a proven vaccine is available.
Member #4698
08-08-20, 00:52
If prices for girls were THE SAME everywhere which cities / countries would you be visiting the most to hobby? Based on girl's looks, service, attitude and the overall ease of hobbying.
Mine would be:
1. Dusseldorf / Frankfurt / Berlin.
2. Las Vegas
3. Switzerland
4. Tokyo / Osaka.
5. Bangkok / Pattaya.Mine would be the same usual suspects as always: 1. Bangkok / Pattaya, 2. Jakarta, 3. Sao Paulo, 4. Macau, 5. Manila. But if money were absolutely no object and I could hire a qualified local interpreter / facilitator who knew what he was doing and could guarantee my access into all the clubs and high class bordellos, then Tokyo / Osaka would jump to the head of my list followed by Moscow and Kiev maybe. I do like the look of various Russian and Ukrainian sex models I see on the internet. 555.
But generally I am happy with my top 5 and look forward to being there as soon as possible. It is interesting to note that of my top 5 only BKK and Pattaya are up and running if only partially so. The rest of the destinations are still in shut down mode although I am sure you can find girls on the social media there. But there is no going out and having a good time on the town except in BKK / Pat (maybe Vegas). I envy you fuckin' assholes who are lucky enough to be in LOS at the present moment in history. Enjoy. You are in a unique position.
2022 is probably right. But maybe not even then.
I would remind those waiting for a vaccine that there is already vaccine for influenza. But despite this tens of thousands die from it every year. Because vaccines for viruses are difficult to make. They're even more difficult to distribute.
The chief scientist of WHO just said:
If some of the vaccines in human clinical trials are effective, they should be available sometime next year.
Very optimistically, the timeline for the first doses would be the first half of 2021.
It is important to note that even with a successful vaccine, there will be a limited number of doses initially. We will not have eight or ten billion doses available to be able to vaccinate the whole world. We might have a few hundred million doses, meaning we would have to prioritize some sections of the population - such as front-line workers, health workers, social care workers and others who are at very high risk.
Thereafter, manufacturing can be scaled up, and more vaccine candidates tested. And hopefully, by 2022, we will be in a position to have many more vaccines available. So there you go.
Small pox is as of yet the only virus that was ever eradicated by vaccine. It took 15 years.
Banana Boi
08-08-20, 07:58
Really think thailand can hold out on tourists until 2022? Thailand isn't holding out on tourism from the World. They will however hold out on any country that has many active COVID cases. Remember Thailand retracted against allowing China in a couple months ago when China had an outbreak of 7 cases. 7! USA gets more than 50 k cases per day and there are no signs of that slowing down. Americans refuse to adapt to having to wear masks. Thanks Trump!
As you can see from the graph, Americans (and I'm sure Canada is included in the numbers) make up a very small percentage of the overall number of tourists to Thailand. Thailand will not chance getting a second wave of COVID to allow Americans in.
Thailand isn't holding out on tourism from the World. They will however hold out on any country that has many active COVID cases. Remember Thailand retracted against allowing China in a couple months ago when China had an outbreak of 7 cases. 7! USA gets more than 50 k cases per day and there are no signs of that slowing down. Americans refuse to adapt to having to wear masks. Thanks Trump!
As you can see from the graph, Americans (and I'm sure Canada is included in the numbers) make up a very small percentage of the overall number of tourists to Thailand. Thailand will not chance getting a second wave of COVID to allow Americans in.It gets worse for the USA. Almost 50% of Americans polled are so anti "fake news" science they would not get the vaccine even it it was available. From the vibe I am already getting walking around, I might need a t-shirt that says, "I Didn't Vote For Him And Haven't Been There In 7 Years."
Of course, half of that particularly worded message would only be true until October or November this year.
I would remind those waiting for a vaccine that there is already vaccine for influenza. But despite this tens of thousands die from it every year. Because vaccines for viruses are difficult to make. They're even more difficult to distribute.The problem with Influenza is that there are many different strains of virus. What happens each year is that virologists have to predict which strains are going to be most likely to spread around the world and create a compound vaccince against the top 6 or so strains. So if a different version of Influenza spreads then the vaccine will not be too helpful. It also takes a lot of time to manufacture a vaccine, package and distribute it so it needs to be decided 6 months early. Finally, most people don't get vaccinated, it's usually those who feel at risk and not everyone so flu spreads and then attacks the vulnerable. These are the reasons that 250,000 to 650,000 people die from flu each year.
Member #4698
08-08-20, 13:20
It gets worse for the USA. Almost 50% of Americans polled are so anti "fake news" science they would not get the vaccine even it it was available. And who the fuck do you think is spreading fake news? Here is you boy Biden on the vaccine: presumed Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden this week indicated that USA President Donald Trump's rush to develop a coronavirus vaccine in record time may not yield a safe and effective product that the public can trust.
"People don't believe that he is telling the truth about the safety of the vaccine candidates," Biden asserted. "Therefore, they're not at all certain they're going to take the vaccine."
I was just chatting with a nice little old lady at the check line at my local grocery store. The conversation came up and she said she would not take the vaccine because she thought it might be dangerous to her. I had nothing to say back to her. It's her choice. She wants to wear a mask for the rest of her life and live in fear so be it.
BTW, none of this belongs in general reports forum, but some bm's can't control their loathing. There is a lot of that particular mental disorder going around in the USA at the moment. It is more prevalent than the pandemic.
The problem with Influenza is that there are many different strains of virus. What happens each year is that virologists have to predict which strains are going to be most likely to spread around the world and create a compound vaccince against the top 6 or so strains. So if a different version of Influenza spreads then the vaccine will not be too helpful. It also takes a lot of time to manufacture a vaccine, package and distribute it so it needs to be decided 6 months early. Finally, most people don't get vaccinated, it's usually those who feel at risk and not everyone so flu spreads and then attacks the vulnerable. These are the reasons that 250,000 to 650,000 people die from flu each year.A vaccine for covid 19 has been developed at last. Thailand here I come, soon. https://www.rt.com/russia/497360-russia-first-covid19-vaccine/?fbclid=IwAR1A4l5u1tAauJGX1RXXdsME6brDJP9dfLlPWWJs4SVsOKyA-iyd0JuvKzM.
Master Monger
08-08-20, 22:09
Let's talk about COVID-19 When the death rate gets to that of Pneumonia which is about an annual death rate of 3 million with 30% being healthy children, and those numbers have been happening for 300 years.
Covid-19 kills 99% 65 or older who are in poor health or have poor immune systems. We should definitely do something to protect the elderly sick people from dying from COVID-19 so they can live a few more days and then die from the other 1000 things that can easily kill an elderly person with poor health.
Also that can't be a good thing for the economy of a country if many of the unhealthy elderly people die because all of their money will just go to their families and they will just waste it on shopping, whoring and booze. Actually, that would be good for the economy. New slogan, "no masks, it's good for the economy!
But seriously 700,000 dead in almost 9 months is influenza like numbers, about 77 million away from the 1% you need to be considered a global pandemic like the Spanish flu that killed 20 million when the population was 1. 5 Billion. According to the numbers provided by the governments Covid-19 should not be considered much more dangerous than the flu. When the numbers go above 3 million in 12 months I will wear a mask. I will even get a vaccine if they go above 78 million. Numbers are facts, just like the sky is blue. If the news said the sky was green, would you believe it or would you go take a look? So, why don't people look and compare the actual numbers of COVID-19?
Of course the flu season numbers actually make sense, COVID-19 numbers seem to only be in states and countries where the government wants to steal money from the people, but that must just be a coincidence. 24 states out 50 have had more than 1,000 deaths in the US, 45 countries out of 218 have had more than 1000 deaths in the last 9 months. Is that a global pandemic?
A strong immune system beats any vaccine, that is a fact. Masks only make you think you are safe and after 1 hour of constant use they actually start to lower your immune system because of all the hot CO2 you are rebreathing, also a fact.
Mongers are banging New hot girls all the time so most of us have herd immunity to almost everything out there!
Good luck everyone, "Remember Kids only "You" can prevent manipulation!
MM.
And who the fuck do you think is spreading fake news? Here is you boy Biden on the vaccine: presumed Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden this week indicated that USA President Donald Trump's rush to develop a coronavirus vaccine in record time may not yield a safe and effective product that the public can trust.
"People don't believe that he is telling the truth about the safety of the vaccine candidates," Biden asserted. "Therefore, they're not at all certain they're going to take the vaccine."
I was just chatting with a nice little old lady at the check line at my local grocery store. The conversation came up and she said she would not take the vaccine because she thought it might be dangerous to her. I had nothing to say back to her. It's her choice. She wants to wear a mask for the rest of her life and live in fear so be it.
BTW, none of this belongs in general reports forum, but some bm's can't control their loathing. There is a lot of that particular mental disorder going around in the USA at the moment. It is more prevalent than the pandemic.The current president of the United States announced that the explosions in Beirut were "an ATTACK!" and all other world leaders immediately reacted to his assessment with a collective shrug, eye roll and head shake. I have no idea what a nice old lady in the grocery store felt about it. But Trump's "fake news" credibility problem is not Biden's fault.
And with regard to the reason citizens from the USA will likely have more problems than most being welcome to reenter Thailand to monger again, a topic that must belong in a thread somewhere here, Thailand as well as every other country has plenty of reason to feel resentment about Trump's incomparable contribution to defunding and dismantling the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams two years ago whose job it was to monitor these kind of outbreaks and do whatever necessary to keep them in their region of origin and from spreading all over the world while later helping China spread lies about the risk of human-to-human infection in the critical early stages well after he had been briefed more than once by his intel agencies that China was actually lying about it. Again, not Biden's fault.
MarquisdeSade1
08-09-20, 04:04
https://www.ttgasia.com/2020/08/07/tat-deputy-governor-dashes-hopes-of-2020-reopening-for-thailands-international-borders/
Let's talk about COVID-19 When the death rate gets to that of Pneumonia which is about an annual death rate of 3 million .......
MM.Works for me. Now we can all carry on with what this forum is about.
So thankful your just a dude with a keyboard and someone who has no influence or descions on any kind of policy!
In other news. They just opened Pattaya walking street to vehicles 24/7. They also allow bike parking on the street. What could go wrong with that! It's one big line of cars with people weaving in and out of traffic. Tried to walk down it last night and turned right around.
GettingFedUp
08-09-20, 04:23
They just opened Pattaya walking street to vehicles 24/7.Indeed. I guess there'll be a Thai committee or commission to review the name and after months of deliberation and bountiful expenses they will decide to call it "Street" in view of its no longer pedestrianised status.
Lucky Nuts
08-09-20, 05:33
If prices for girls were THE SAME everywhere which cities / countries would you be visiting the most to hobby? Based on girl's looks, service, attitude and the overall ease of hobbying.
I personally haven't included many cities like Prague / Budapest / London / Montreal / Toronto, etc with escorts only because imo not being able to see the girl before she appears at the door is not ease of hobbying.
Mine would be:
1. Dusseldorf / Frankfurt / Berlin.
2. Las Vegas
3. Switzerland
4. Tokyo / Osaka.
5. Bangkok / Pattaya.1. Medellin.
2. Kiev.
3. Frankfurt.
4. Central Cuba (not Havana).
5. Bangkok / Pattaya.
But Germany and Thailand are as easy as ordering food at a drive up window. Cuba is a cat and mouse game with police (chicas can get into trouble but guys typically do not). Medellin and Kiev are great but take lots of work. Not point and click like Germany and Thailand. Spanish is essential in Cuba and Medellin. The providers in Kiev are university students that speak very good English.
BB I spend several weeks per year in Vegas and am very familair with the game there. I don't see how it makes your list based on "overall ease of mongering". The hot girls make so much bank just dancing in strip clubs it's very hard to get take home. At any price.
I've heard Japan is difficult for non-Asians but still want to try it. Switzerland I'll maybe try on my next journey to the FKKs hopefully soon.
Indeed. I guess there'll be a Thai committee or commission to review the name and after months of deliberation and bountiful expenses they will decide to call it "Street" in view of its no longer pedestrianised status.What a mess!
Mr Enternational
08-09-20, 06:52
In other news. They just opened Pattaya walking street to vehicles 24/7. They also allow bike parking on the street. What could go wrong with that! It's one big line of cars with people weaving in and out of traffic. Tried to walk down it last night and turned right around.It has been open like that since the lockdown started. The only time you could not drive down it with a car was a week or two ago when they had put the police table in the middle of the road near the entrance. There were just not too many people riding down it in cars. The couple of times that I have gone down since the opening, I have parked my bike there as well. I have never seen it as it is in the picture that you posted though. Appears to be the taxis looking for fares that are fucking things up.
It has been open like that since the lockdown started. I wasn't aware of that as I only go down there once and awhile.
Just saw this a few days ago.
https://www.facebook.com/176481829769501/posts/749114599172885/
LittleBigMan
08-09-20, 18:03
It has been open like that since the lockdown started. The only time you could not drive down it with a car was a week or two ago when they had put the police table in the middle of the road near the entrance. There were just not too many people riding down it in cars. The couple of times that I have gone down since the opening, I have parked my bike there as well. I have never seen it as it is in the picture that you posted though. Appears to be the taxis looking for fares that are fucking things up.Your photo was exactly I've seen it since they allow the GoGo to open which is usually once a week? I usually just come in from 2nd road Soi 15 and make a left and park my bike somewhere. Maybe the photo was taken during the closing hours which seem to have stretched to 2 am the reason for all the taxi pre-COVID at 3:30 am 4 am usually it starts to open to all the vehicle traffic.
I missed last night but tonight Sunday I was at W. S. It was exactly like your Photo that was around 8:30 pm but the time I walked out of Pin up 11:30 pm it was busier but nowhere packed like the other photo.
I had heard they were thinking of doing this from my Thai neighbor since they seem to want to move the local crowd consolidate from places like 3rd Road, Hollywood, etc. Prior to the Virus and get places like 808, I-Bar some business? As for prices at the GoGo that are open on W. S. Maybe because I'm Asian but the prices quoted particularly tonight at PU was like Pre-Virus but I still had fun.
Mr Enternational
08-09-20, 23:59
I had heard they were thinking of doing this from my Thai neighbor since they seem to want to move the local crowd consolidate from places like 3rd Road, Hollywood, etc. Prior to the Virus and get places like 808, I-Bar some business?The lady that comes over to do my massage said they turned one of the Indian discos on Walking Street to a Thai and hip-hop disco. She said the place is doing big business. I tell you the Thais are around here partying like it is 1999 with almost no foreigners around. All the Thai bars near me are packed late at night.
LittleBigMan
08-10-20, 02:19
The lady that comes over to do my massage said they turned one of the Indian discos on Walking Street to a Thai and hip-hop disco. She said the place is doing big business. I tell you the Thais are around here partying like it is 1999 with almost no foreigners around. All the Thai bars near me are packed late at night.Maybe the leaders know something we don't in regards to their opinion wanting locals to travel and spend money? As you noted the last 4 day holiday plenty of cars rolling in from Bangkok I roll through Soi Baukhao and noticed a number of people checking into the Holiday Inn Express thinking are they letting people in thinking Chinese etc. But later thought got to be locals?
July 28th, forgot the holiday already? The wife wanted to head to Sattahip to the Temple to pray for our son who is headed off the next day 29th, for the lottery draft. The Temple was packed doing a booming business I usually go through the motion to make her happy but due to all the problems in the world, I did an extra walk around the Temple since I had an abnormal amount of requests?
We were supposed to head to a second Temple for our extra request but due to the crowds of the first, we decided to forego and head back to Bang Saray beach for the rest of the day we had to drive through twice to find a parking space so there is money floating around the locals. Just like your area on the Darkside night spots for eating and drinking which are normally outside are packed I thought I would but I haven't heard one single Thai having the Virus nor have I heard or seen anyone jumping up and down they are getting any stimulus payment from the government.
An article today from a TAT assistance Governor spoke his opinion there are no talks at all about opening up Thailand for International flights which makes it look bleak for the rest of this year most expected something might happen late November or early December for the high season there is speculation even my plan trip Feb 2021 for Chinese New Year will not happen? I cross my finger and continue to pray?
Banana Boi
08-11-20, 02:33
Trump is considering blocking Americans from reentering USA if they are suspected of having COVID. So for those Americans in Thailand that may have to leave by September 26 consider the scenario that you fly Bangkok to San Fran and at upon arrival at SFO you have flu like symptoms because you caught a bug on the plane. Now you can not reenter USA so now you will have to fly back to your last destination, Thailand. After paying $1000 USD for a last minute ticket back to Thailand, you arrive in Thailand and obviously you will not be allowed in again. Now you will need to buy yet another plane ticket back to SFO after being denied entry back in to Thailand and pray that you no longer have flu like symptoms by the time you reach USA again after a few days of straight flying. Got to love America!
Mr Enternational
08-11-20, 04:52
Trump is considering blocking Americans from reentering USA if they are suspected of having COVID.Impossible. He likes to think out loud just like Kanye West. People always take their verbal brainstorming to heart. There is a board (or maybe bored) member in the Colombia thread doing the same thing. Talking about going to neighboring countries and trekking through the jungle and paying off immigration agents and using fake passports so he could get inside of Colombia since it is closed.
Trump is considering blocking Americans from reentering USA if they are suspected of having COVID. So for those Americans in Thailand that may have to leave by September 26 consider the scenario that you fly Bangkok to San Fran and at upon arrival at SFO you have flu like symptoms because you caught a bug on the plane. Now you can not reenter USA so now you will have to fly back to your last destination, Thailand. After paying $1000 USD for a last minute ticket back to Thailand, you arrive in Thailand and obviously you will not be allowed in again. Now you will need to buy yet another plane ticket back to SFO after being denied entry back in to Thailand and pray that you no longer have flu like symptoms by the time you reach USA again after a few days of straight flying. Got to love America!There was a woman trapped in HK airport for 3 weeks.
Banana Boi
08-11-20, 06:13
Impossible. He likes to think out loud just like Kanye West. I totally agree with you but one has to wonder as to the train of thought of the person who Americans voted to be their leader. Just to think this person has the power to blow up the world.
Franciscass
08-11-20, 10:29
May be of interest to somebody.
Just renewed my retirement visa. Some items of note from visit a year ago.
SCB branch at the complex closed so if you used it to get your bank letter confirming account balance it's not now available. There is a branch at Big see further along Chang Wattana road.
No TM 30 required.
New visa's expiration date will be 26th September 2021. In other words your current visa is good to September 26th even if the year is up before then.
Otherwise it's the usual bunch of repetitive document signing and hanging around although this time I was in out in a little under 4 hours which included getting the reentry permit and the 12 to 1 lunch break.
LittleBigMan
08-11-20, 12:11
Impossible. He likes to think out loud just like Kanye West. People always take their verbal brainstorming to heart. There is a board (or maybe bored) member in the Colombia thread doing the same thing. Talking about going to neighboring countries and trekking through the jungle and paying off immigration agents and using fake passports so he could get inside of Colombia since it is closed.This kind of falls into your category from the Pattaya Thread " Holy grail El Dorado " and your response here " Impossible " I wonder at times when I look back how a guy like me ever was able to meet people like Huey Newton (Black Panther) Sonny Barger (Hells Angel) two of the most powerful President of the two largest labor unions a number of politicians like Mayor Willie Brown, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Walters, a rising Chinese State Senator in 2006 and prior to saying goodbye told him " beware who you take a donation from " today he is still serving his sentence, even " I'll be back " Arnold do I know them well enough I can just call and say let's have lunch it was no more than in passing being in the right place at the right time or just tagging along with someone else who can?
What does all this have to do with this topic some dress well, spoke well, but in the end, all of them have one thing in common they like to talk no different than Trump or even Kenya West. All of them talk because they know they have people's attention the more they talk the more sense of power they feel they have so they keep talking and when they do shit basically comes out of their mouth. The one that comes to mind the most and it isn't because I don't like blacks is Maxine Walters now that is a woman who can talk a lot of shit I never thought shit could be that entertaining?
I heard this a number of times at the California State Capital in private meetings with Union lobbyist State Representatives and my only meeting with Arnold it seems a common practice if they couldn't decide on a final decision for someone to mention something like don't worry about it " The American voters are too stupid to figure it out " funny isn't that what the Obama professor said about the Affordable Health Care Act?
I'm no politician but I've heard people of all color throughout the USA In Union Halls that speak and throw out shit like Trump when it comes to Trump it seems I've known him my whole life so when he said he was running " I said this should be one great reality show " when he won I said this is going to be the best roller coaster ride of all times and I'm a member of the roller coaster club of America been on some of the best and largest. I wish I had a chance to sit with him and shoot the bull I actually think by the time I'm done with him he would be so red people would surely think he is a red neck or his hair would be whip around to the other side?
When it comes to Trump there is nothing to be afraid anyone watch from the day he started to run to now he isn't really in charge. I'm no Consitutionist but I'm a believer of this simple document although not perfect it is what controls him regardless of why people put him in office there isn't a thing anyone has to worry about him pushing the button. As for the scenario of an American Citizen landing in the USA With the Virus and being return is slim and none need me to say it again? Illegals are crossing our borders and instead of turning them back are making sure they are put up at the Hilton. In San Francisco, the Hotels are shut due to the Virus but the Mayor is forcing Hotels to accommodate the Homeless so they can be protected from the Virus unless you are Muslim they aren't turning you back Trump says things this is his form of " Art of War " Chapter 6, throw the shit out see who is smart enough to figure it out that it is just shit? Surprisingly as you noted kindly " brainstorming to heart ".
You got to give Kanya West some credit he must have some balls to do what he is doing maybe having all that money does make you stupid or is it the Big Ego like Trump?
When he got elected people everywhere said I'm moving to Canada? rich or poor how many actually have? It is just talk nothing more nothing less it only matters when people start to over think that is when the shit hits the fan?
LittleBigMan
08-11-20, 13:58
May be of interest to somebody.
Just renewed my retirement visa. Some items of note from visit a year ago.
SCB branch at the complex closed so if you used it to get your bank letter confirming account balance it's not now available. There is a branch at Big see further along Chang Wattana road.
No TM 30 required.
New visa's expiration date will be 26th September 2021. In other words your current visa is good to September 26th even if the year is up before then.
Otherwise it's the usual bunch of repetitive document signing and hanging around although this time I was in out in a little under 4 hours which included getting the reentry permit and the 12 to 1 lunch break.Wow glad I'm not in Bangkok, Jomtien this year like most since I get up really early, I was first in line with everything in order even my TM-30 which last reported no longer is needed unless you move to a new address? Counters opened at 8:30 am I was first to be called I was out the door at 8:40 am didn't bother to get a Multi-Entry since where is one going especially if you plan to come back? Since then done two 90 reports since the website doesn't work Online for me in one minute out the next.
GettingFedUp
08-11-20, 17:31
He likes to think out loudHe thinks? He hides it well.
I totally agree with you but one has to wonder as to the train of thought of the person who Americans voted to be their leader.Shouldn't the word "crash" be after "train" and before "of"?
The saddest thing was the choice came down to Heelbone Spurs vs Hillary. Same in the UK last year with them having to choose between BoJo and Albert Steptoe.
Is there really no one statesperson like, intelligent, diplomatic and forward thinking left?
Seems being a philanderer who can't avoid contact between their genitals and those of persons who are not their significant other is no longer a bar to high office. Indeed it might now be a requirement.
I'll be head of the World Bank. Applicants for other positions are open!
I totally agree with you but one has to wonder as to the train of thought of the person who Americans voted to be their leader. Just to think this person has the power to blow up the world.Looking at the political leaders of France and Germany I don't think the US is doing too bad, especially considering the nutjobs representing the other party.
Beijing4987
08-11-20, 22:28
Looking at the political leaders of France and Germany I don't think the US is doing too bad, especially considering the nutjobs representing the other party.If the Spanish "flu" ended WW2, we can hope the latest pandemic will stop upcoming wars, since the troops will all be sick. The Lord works in strange ways. "Dr Mary's Monkey" is a good book about the development of the polio vaccines, with cameos of J. Edgar Hoover, Lee Harvey Oswald. The doctor in New Orleans at the center of it injected his two grandchildren with a polio vaccine. One died, the other got polio. $20 online from the author.
The Spanish Flu coincided with WWI, not II.
If the Spanish "flu" ended WW2, we can hope the latest pandemic will stop upcoming wars, since the troops will all be sick. The Lord works in strange ways. "Dr Mary's Monkey" is a good book about the development of the polio vaccines, with cameos of J. Edgar Hoover, Lee Harvey Oswald. The doctor in New Orleans at the center of it injected his two grandchildren with a polio vaccine. One died, the other got polio. $20 online from the author.
The Spanish Flu coincided with WWI, not II.I thought he was just making a joke reference to Trump's recent comment about the "1917" flu pandemic helping to end "WWII." Yes, Trump is the one that keeps getting the date of the 1918-1919 flu pandemic wrong and in a recent misstatement of it he got the years when World War II happened wrong by 24 to 28 years.
You know, the years when Hitler killed all those "yo, semites" and a few million other "anominous" victims of unknown "oranges."
Now he can go back to Biden's supposed cognitive impairment.
The Spanish Flu coincided with WWI, not II.Wrong! It was WWII, don't you read the news. All the soldiers got too sick to fight. This is not an example of throw shit out there and see whose smart enough to figure it out. Unless of course you think the people are real stupid.
Banana Boi
08-12-20, 16:54
My posts and comments are to make fun of things like the one you just quoted with cartoon characters and Swedish music groups as political leaders. I know zilch about politics. As if your viewpoint makes one difference in this world. You guys are way too serious when you post about political stuff and your comments are not for light entertainment rather trying to educate or state your reasons on why someone should have the same political viewpoints as you do.
Since there seems to be no end to this political crap I will continue posting my political viewpoints the way I see them like you guys post yours. FYI i'm voting for Taylor Swift over Kanye in the next election! The Pet Shop Boys should be the next British PM!
How would the uptight political scrum halves (or leftist rightist wingers) feel if we started posting sex topics on a political board?
When I say 'you' I mean everyone, not just you ET.
MarquisdeSade1
08-13-20, 02:53
There was a woman trapped in HK airport for 3 weeks.https://www.arabnews.com/node/1701331/offbeat
GettingFedUp
08-13-20, 04:48
For anyone under any illusion that the situation regarding inbound tourism is going to change imminently https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1967163/no-end-in-sight-for-flights-ban.
For anyone under any illusion that the situation regarding inbound tourism is going to change imminently https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1967163/no-end-in-sight-for-flights-ban.To all those who want to visit Thailand this year forget it.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/holidays-thailand-wont-happen-2020-134400095.html
LittleBigMan
08-13-20, 13:09
For anyone under any illusion that the situation regarding inbound tourism is going to change imminently https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1967163/no-end-in-sight-for-flights-ban.They worry about the death from the Virus yet in one day reported 78 road death?
They worry about the death from the Virus yet in one day reported 78 road death?But how long will their luck hold out considering mexico and Brazil figures? Hospitals in isaan won't be able to cope with high numbers of covid.
Its suspicious that thyre somehow immune or not.
The Spanish Flu coincided with WWI, not II.Only later did I learn this was a joking reference to that moron's cognitive fart. I've been avoiding the news for almost four years now.
LittleBigMan
08-14-20, 02:02
But how long will their luck hold out considering mexico and Brazil figures? Hospitals in isaan won't be able to cope with high numbers of covid.
Its suspicious that thyre somehow immune or not.How long? My opinion is as soon as they start to open up International airspace since their economy is dying and no matter how much they put out those smoke and mirrors figures and ideas for local to travel and spend money which in time will not be enough they will have to expand that means open it up. And when it does the number will spike just isn't just for Thailand for everyone else in the world.
They have done a remarkable job by locking this country down from the outside and surprisingly never seen so much road, drains, electrical work being done in Pattaya in all my years living here and being done at once. Just yesterday I was using Hwy 7, from Nongprue to Sukhumwit it's surface is all concrete admittingly done real well not a crack or hole smooth but somehow someone decided it needs a complete pave over with black tar.
When it comes to Isaan or anywhere in Thailand it would be a big YES when the next wave comes from the outside they have nothing in place they are totally unprepared that is when their luck will run out a big reason so many retired ex-pats want and enjoy this lockdown. In general, the old and weak here the Virus will target first?
GettingFedUp
08-14-20, 06:17
They have done a remarkable job by locking this country down from the outsideLBM,
Indeed. My view is that in addition they have taken two actions which more than any has limited the impact.
The first is that since the Lumpini Boxing Stadium fiasco all people who test positive are hospitalised until they test clear twice, even if not showing symptoms. This has meant those with mild or no symptoms weren't sent home to "self-isolate" and then sneak out to the shops or whatever because they felt OK. Transmission prevented.
The second is that they were able to implement contact tracing on a significant scale through the health volunteer network (1 million of them is the quoted number). I know of a country with a similar size population whose contact tracing capacity was only about 5 cases a day. This meant that any chance of contact tracing had evaporated before they even knew there was a problem.
When it comes to Isaan or anywhere in Thailand it would be a big YES when the next wave comes from the outsideThis is why the Thai strategy has become eradication not control. The healthcare system simply simply couldn't cope with a significant outbreak. To a certain extent they are now victims of their own success. The public uproar after the Military "Walk Like an Egyptian" incident in Rayong shows the general determination and expectation that there should be no second wave. Of course those feelings are far less in Tourism areas like Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, parts of Bangkok, etc.
There is a piece on Pattaya News clarifying some of the incorrect reporting which has been going on about tourism prospects. https://thepattayanews.com/2020/08/13/fact-check-is-thailand-closed-to-all-foreign-tourists-until-2021/ There's not a lot of "New news" but it does clarify the situation about the Elite Visa. At present they are not being allowed entry although acceptance of it is approved "in principle". This may be because they are quite able to fill the repatriation flights with Thai returnees, spouses or Thais and work permit holders at present.
Only later did I learn this was a joking reference to that moron's cognitive fart. I've been avoiding the news for almost four years now.You've got to avoid it for another four, he's going to be re-elected.
But how long will their luck hold out considering mexico and Brazil figures? Isn't it more appropriate to consider figures in neighboring countries: Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Vietnam?
Very few cases and even fewer deaths.
But seriously 700,000 dead in almost 9 months is influenza like numbers, about 77 million away from the 1% you need to be considered a global pandemic like the Spanish flu that killed 20 million when the population was 1. 5 Billion. According to the numbers provided by the governments Covid-19 should not be considered much more dangerous than the flu. When the numbers go above 3 million in 12 months I will wear a mask. I will even get a vaccine if they go above 78 million. Numbers are facts, just like the sky is blue. If the news said the sky was green, would you believe it or would you go take a look? So, why don't people look and compare the actual numbers of COVID-19?The big difference with influenza is that the world has limited the number of deaths to 'only' 700,000 by taking all kinds of drastic measures. If we hadn't done that the death rate would have been much higher by now.
The big difference with influenza is that the world has limited the number of deaths to 'only' 700,000 by taking all kinds of drastic measures. If we hadn't done that the death rate would have been much higher by now.And I'll add, we know how the flu behaves, we know what it does to the body, and we know the after-effects. This is a novel virus. We are not sure what the long-term effects will be. We are also not sure how it will mutate. I think being a bit cautious is prudent until we understand those things and have a good arsenal of fairly effective treatments that we are sure of.
Banana Boi
08-18-20, 08:28
For those who think they are traveling again soon think again. There is a new COVID strain D614 G which is a mutation of the original COVID strain. It is 10 x more infectious than the original COVID strain and has been found in SEA. It has been traced back to Europe.
There is a new COVID strain D614 G which is a mutation of the original COVID strain. It is 10 x more infectious than the original COVID strain and has been found in SEA.Yes, experts are looking at this new virus variant. But overly simplistic statements are not helpful. There is a good article on this variant up on Medium.com, which is a website that collects long-form content written by people who are actually knowledgeable.
Here is the abstract:
The variant is more infectious in laboratory settings; whether it means increased viral spread in humans is unconfirmed. Current evidence says that the variant is not any deadlier. And so, treatment options should not be any more different. Both (new and old) variants should react similarly to vaccines, studies suggest, as the mutation does not change the immunogenic part of the spike protein; that is, the receptor-binding domain (RBD).
If you are inclined to read the full article, you may find it here:
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/what-the-d614g-mutation-means-for-covid-19-spread-fatality-treatment-and-vaccine-7dda1c066f0d
Yes, experts are looking at this new virus variant. But overly simplistic statements are not helpful. There is a good article on this variant up on Medium.com, which is a website that collects long-form content written by people who are actually knowledgeable.
Here is the abstract:
The variant is more infectious in laboratory settings; whether it means increased viral spread in humans is unconfirmed. Current evidence says that the variant is not any deadlier. And so, treatment options should not be any more different. Both (new and old) variants should react similarly to vaccines, studies suggest, as the mutation does not change the immunogenic part of the spike protein; that is, the receptor-binding domain (RBD).
If you are inclined to read the full article, you may find it here:
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/what-the-d614g-mutation-means-for-covid-19-spread-fatality-treatment-and-vaccine-7dda1c066f0dMy friend living in Khon Kaen says that things are normal and with the rules observed there seems to be no big out breaks in Bangkok or the provinces.
My friend living in Khon Kaen says that things are normal and with the rules observed there seems to be no big out breaks in Bangkok or the provinces.My Thai girl sent me a photo of her classroom where she teaches. Nobody had on masks. She says there is no virus in Chaiyaphum.
Mr Enternational
08-19-20, 10:51
My friend living in Khon Kaen says that things are normal and with the rules observed there seems to be no big out breaks in Bangkok or the provinces.Yes things are pretty much normal in Thailand. You still have to wear a mask and sign in and get your temp taken to go into places like the mall. Some people still ride around on their motorbikes wearing a mask. I am in the poolhall now with 30 people inside and 1 lady and 1 man that work here have on masks. All the other employees and patrons do not.
Have sex worker prices increased beyond the rate of inflation in Thailand? Is so, in what markets has this occurred? Among street walkers, gogos, bar girls, escorts, massage places, clubs, dating sites, freelancers, etc? If so, by how much have rates increased beyond the rate of inflation? Due to what factors? Based on what evidence? Personal experiences which may differ between customers as YMMV?
My research regarding the period from 2004 through 2013 concerning NEP area street walkers found that prices did not go up. Neither did service or attitude go down.
If inflation had an average increase of 3.9 percent per year the rates should have increased about 47% over those 10 years. On that basis a price of 1000 baht should have increased to almost 1500 baht by 2014.
In 20 years of inflation at a average rate of 3.94 percent inflation per year the price increase should go from 1000 to almost 2200 baht. That's not even considering the many other factors that could increase prices even more.
It seems around the year 2000 long time sessions were much more usual relative to short time sessions than they are now. I'd suggest that "pay for play" ladies then were more naive & had fewer customers in the country. So the competition between them to get & keep customers motivated them to perform well & worked to keep prices from increasing much if anything. As did the ladies relative naivety about STIs, customers & the worldwide sex industry in general also contribute to low rates and good service.
Various factors, in addition to inflation, less naivety and increased customer numbers may work towards moving prices up and or service, including attitude, down. Such as an increase in men as sponsors sending monthly cash donations to sex workers. Or those generous ones who buy ladies expensive jewelry and give them huge one time amounts of baht out of nothing but the goodness of their heart. Also ladies getting large amounts of earnings from their porn appearances. Add to that customers who offer tips, large and small, after a session and for various reasons. Then there may also be increased drug use leading to a general increase in poorer performance. Increased pimping or otherwise being under the influence or control of a boss or employer may be another factor. Those factors and other possible variables could work together to lead to an increase in prices and or a decline in service.
You don't factor in the effect of pimps working gals harder to process more guys in a 24 hour period. The gals who were happy with all night sessions around 15 years ago had pimps on their backs to get busier. And do more gents on short times, hence the fall in attitudes.
You don't factor in the effect of pimps working gals harder to process more guys in a 24 hour period. The gals who were happy with all night sessions around 15 years ago had pimps on their backs to get busier. And do more gents on short times, hence the fall in attitudes.Uh, I don't really think that's a factor. After 20 plus years here I've not seen evidence of wide scale pimping in LOS. Especially in the scene directed at foreigners.
Crocodilexp
08-21-20, 17:55
If inflation had an average increase of 3.9 percent per year the rates should have increased about 47% over those 10 years.Where are you pulling that 3. 9% inflation from?
Officially, average annual inflation was 1. 6% over the last 10 years, and 2% over the last 20 years. source (="https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/THA/thailand/inflation-rate-cpi"). I feel consumer prices have risen faster, but that's the official data.
So, if ST cost 1000 baht in 2010, should be 1170 baht in 2020 due to inflation.
Mr Enternational
08-21-20, 18:06
Have sex worker prices increased beyond the rate of inflation in Thailand? There is no stone with sex worker prices carved into it. Unless you are somewhere like a soapy where you are paying the money to the house and they are paying the girl from that, then you pay what you negotiate. For 15 years I have had no problem negotiating 500ST and 1000 LT for freelance. For me and my experiences, the only thing that has changed is the date.
Mr Enternational
08-21-20, 18:10
You don't factor in the effect of pimps working gals harder to process more guys in a 24 hour period. The gals who were happy with all night sessions around 15 years ago had pimps on their backs to get busier. And do more gents on short times, hence the fall in attitudes.Have you ever been to Thailand? Their families are the pimps. The reason what you are saying makes no sense is because a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Who would turn down a mf paying a sure 3000 for LT IN HOPES of 4 mfs paying 1000 each for ST? They have to get chosen; they do not do the choosing. There is no monger tree that they just go grab mongers from at will. Maybe you are actually Thai with that kind of thinking.
Shit I just fucked some chick a few minutes ago for 500 baht that says she works at some Japanese club on Second Road that charges 3500 baht. They get what they can when they can get it. There is no guaranteed money for them.
Shit I just fucked some chick a few minutes ago for 500 baht that says she works at some Japanese club on Second Road that charges 3500 baht. They get what they can when they can get it. There is no guaranteed money for them.What many also fail to recognize is that most of Asia operates a split pricing system for everything from carrots to pussy.
There are "prices" for fresh off the boat tourists, knowledgeable residents and locals. Yes there is some wiggle room between the categories but the girls are very aware of what the different guys are able and willing to pay.
Your example of 3500 newbie, 1500 repeat customer (my guestinate) and 500 long term resident pricing FROM THE SAME GIRL is not exceptional.
Enjoy. G.
Mr Enternational
08-22-20, 01:23
What many also fail to recognize is that most of Asia operates a split pricing system for everything from carrots to pussy.Somehow I ended up in a facebook group about dual pricing in Thailand. I just laugh and laugh at these people. And at least they tell you upfront by having it on the sign; not like they are being dishonest and hiding it from you. People should be used to it by now. Their country, their rules. You don't have any rights in a country that is not yours. But people's home countries have them with a sense of entitlement and believing everything should be fair. Thailand still operates in the real world and not the everybody gets a trophy world. This is not my country. All I can do is stay in my damn lane and thank them for allowing me to come here.
MarquisdeSade1
08-22-20, 01:42
Somehow I ended up in a facebook group about dual pricing in Thailand. I just laugh and laugh at these people. And at least they tell you upfront by having it on the sign; not like they are being dishonest and hiding it from you. People should be used to it by now. Their country, their rules. You don't have any rights in a country that is not yours. But people's home countries have them with a sense of entitlement and believing everything should be fair. Thailand still operates in the real world and not the everybody gets a trophy world. This is not my country. All I can do is stay in my damn lane and thank them for allowing me to come here.I went to Emmanuelle in BKK in Ratchada one day.
And the guy told me the prices I saw 2 rows and asked about that?
He said white guys are charged more LOL.
If you check their website it will confirm it.
I would love to see a biz do this with Asians in LOS Angeles LOL.
I also think its funny they really like anything to do with Hitler.
What many also fail to recognize is that most of Asia operates a split pricing system for everything from carrots to pussy.
There are "prices" for fresh off the boat tourists, knowledgeable residents and locals. Yes there is some wiggle room between the categories but the girls are very aware of what the different guys are able and willing to pay.
Your example of 3500 newbie, 1500 repeat customer (my guestinate) and 500 long term resident pricing FROM THE SAME GIRL is not exceptional.
Enjoy. G.I remember a conversation a few years ago with a PHD economist from the USA that was teaching at Nottingham University in Ningbo China. He said he had hired a female student of his to do all of his shopping for him. He had done the math and a Chinese person shopping would get the Chinese price, and the difference between the Chinese price and the Laowai price was great enough that he was still coming out ahead paying her to do the shopping for him.
Somehow I ended up in a facebook group about dual pricing in Thailand. I just laugh and laugh at these people. And at least they tell you upfront by having it on the sign; not like they are being dishonest and hiding it from you. People should be used to it by now. Their country, their rules. You don't have any rights in a country that is not yours. But people's home countries have them with a sense of entitlement and believing everything should be fair. Thailand still operates in the real world and not the everybody gets a trophy world. This is not my country. All I can do is stay in my damn lane and thank them for allowing me to come here.Well stated and my stance as well. We are guests.
HorseTrader
08-22-20, 06:51
What many also fail to recognize is that most of Asia operates a split pricing system for everything from carrots to pussy.I was warned about this by my Thai friends in USA before my first trip. I don't mind paying the extra. The Thai people have always been kind to me and they have so little and we have so much.
I was warned about this by my Thai friends in USA before my first trip. I don't mind paying the extra. The Thai people have always been kind to me and they have so little and we have so much.This is where it becomes somewhat of a grey area: even in areas where I have been a long term resident, speak the language and am very well aware of true pricing, I'm also happy to leave a tip for good service.
But what is a tip? $2? $20? A 10 fold markup? Some are reasonable but some are just an invitation to be regarded as a easy mark. I have NEVER seen the latter result in better service as some would suggest. If anything, it's an invitation to give minimal service to someone who will not know the difference and happily pay for it.
Cheers. G.
Mr Enternational
08-22-20, 08:39
I was warned about this by my Thai friends in USA before my first trip. I don't mind paying the extra. The Thai people have always been kind to me and they have so little and we have so much.The Thai people don't have little, the poor Thai people have little. The same as the poor Americans or poor anybody else has little. Who is this "we" you speak of? The well off Thai people have way more than my broke ass. Have you seen all the Mercedes rolling around this mf? Meanwhile I am on a 6000 baht bicycle.
Franciscass
08-22-20, 15:59
The richest in the poorest countries have vastly more than the average citizen of the richest countries in the world. That really isn't the metric to judge relative poverty levels. Neither is the usual GDP per capita stat, failing to account for wealth distribution. A better gauge is the number of people on or below a poverty line which is usually defined as an income sufficient to cover basic needs. More important still are whether there are social welfare programs to take care of the less fortunate. Thailand is not a poor country but there are far more people poor here than in developed countries. There is no welfare safety net to speak of and with a minimum wage of $10 a day it behooves on us living here not to take advantage and to be generous when and where we can with the usual caveats of not being a chump and according to our means. Its simply treating the less fortunate with a sense of decency and humanity.
Where are you pulling that 3. 9% inflation from?
Officially, average annual inflation was 1. 6% over the last 10 years, and 2% over the last 20 years. source (="https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/THA/thailand/inflation-rate-cpi"). I feel consumer prices have risen faster, but that's the official data.
So, if ST cost 1000 baht in 2010, should be 1170 baht in 2020 due to inflation.The 10 years I referred to were 2004 to 2013. I said:
"My research regarding the period from 2004 through 2013 concerning NEP area street walkers found that prices did not go up. Neither did service or attitude go down."
I didn't pull the 3. 9% inflation percentage from anywhere, as it was a qualified hypothetical "if" statement. However in looking at the chart at the following URL, the figures for 2004 to 2013 are generally much higher than the 1. 6% figure you mention over the last 10 years.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/332274/inflation-rate-in-thailand/
HorseTrader
08-22-20, 16:19
The Thai people don't have little, the poor Thai people have little. The same as the poor Americans or poor anybody else has little. Who is this "we" you speak of? The well off Thai people have way more than my broke ass. Have you seen all the Mercedes rolling around this mf? Meanwhile I am on a 6000 baht bicycle.I didn't write specifically, "we" was a bad word. By "we" I was referring to western tourists who have a normal life in a western country and make regular trips to Thailand for holidays.
I'm happy paying extra to the people who serve me directly. Taxi. Restaurant tips. Housekeeping. Hookers. Street food vendors. Tour guides. The tricky area for me is hotels because I have no idea who gets my money. I do know that my favorite Samui hotel is owned by two friends and they aren't driving luxury cars.
I agree that you do see a few luxury and hot sports cars in Thailand, but that is a tiny percentage when compared to those traveling by foot, baht bus, motor scooter, and motor scooter taxi. I video chat with various Thai girls who share 3000-5000 THB / month apartments that are tiny and in dismal parts of town. They have no recreation other than temple visits because there is no money. Staff houses for luxury hotel workers are dismal. Try video chatting with the Issan girl when she is at home on the farm, it's probably dismal and understandable why these girls send money home. I don't mind helping because all the Thai people have always treated me well.
When I was last in Bangkok I hung out with a non-pro I met online. When I went shopping she showed me so many places where I should not shop which included all malls which she told me she never stepped foot in. The places she took me to had good quality items at amazingly low prices. I saw absolutely no obvious tourists in these places. She also took me to many Thai and Chinese restaurants that were frequented only by locals and had fantastic food for a fraction of the prices of other restaurants. In one of the Chinese restaurants she took me to I had the best tasting meal I've ever had in a restaurant.
Pimpampoumpipo
08-23-20, 17:20
"Thailand outperformed Russia and India by becoming the most unequal country in the world according to the 2018 report released by Credit Suisse.
According to the findings of the 2018 Global Wealth Databook 2018 report, statistics compiled by Credit Suisse in 40 countries show that the richest 1% of Thais control 66.9% of the country's wealth.
At the same time, 50% of the poorest Thais (25 million people) held 1. 7% of the country's wealth, while 70% (35 million) controlled 5%.
Two years ago, Thailand ranked third in the report, after Russia and India.
In 2016, the richest 1% of Thais (500,000 people) held 58.0% of the country's wealth. In 2018, they controlled 66.9%, overtaking their Russian peers whose wealth share rose from 78% to 57.1%.
These three countries are followed by Turkey where the richest control 54.1% of the wealth.
Apart from these four countries, there is no country in the world where the richest 1% control more than half of their country's wealth.
The most equitable countries are Belgium, where the richest 1% own 20.1% of the wealth, followed by Australia (22.4%).
Credit Suisse global wealth report"
What in 2020 after drastic covid19 Thailand lockdown ?
LittleBigMan
08-24-20, 02:09
Wow, For years whenever politics conversation came up I always without reading any stats just threw out that 1% of the richest Thais ran this country but down deep gave them the benefit of the doubt and just round it off to 5%.
MarquisdeSade1
08-24-20, 05:30
"Thailand outperformed Russia and India by becoming the most unequal country in the world according to the 2018 report released by Credit Suisse.
According to the findings of the 2018 Global Wealth Databook 2018 report, statistics compiled by Credit Suisse in 40 countries show that the richest 1% of Thais control 66.9% of the country's wealth.
At the same time, 50% of the poorest Thais (25 million people) held 1. 7% of the country's wealth, while 70% (35 million) controlled 5%.
Two years ago, Thailand ranked third in the report, after Russia and India.
In 2016, the richest 1% of Thais (500,000 people) held 58.0% of the country's wealth. In 2018, they controlled 66.9%, overtaking their Russian peers whose wealth share rose from 78% to 57.1%.
These three countries are followed by Turkey where the richest control 54.1% of the wealth.
Apart from these four countries, there is no country in the world where the richest 1% control more than half of their country's wealth.Go to Moscow, I read a couple years ago when I was there, there were 65 billionaires in the city, more than anywhere in the world, what do you think P4P prices are like LOL?
I'm surprised PI isn't #1, walk down a dirty busy road with dead dogs and women sleeping in the dirt with their infants in their arms or whole families.
Parents old people children and infants sleeping on a tiny section of sidewalk by JJ market, or even Mexico my god the disparities there are eye popping as well.
Banana Boi
08-25-20, 05:51
And the guy told me the prices I saw 2 rows and asked about that?
He said white guys are charged more LOL.There are tons of non P4 P places in Thailand where Farang are charged more than Thai most noticeably at tourist traps like Art in Paradise, Pattaya Floating market, etc. There is no hiding it. Signs clearly list different pricing for Thai and tourists. IIRC Thai leaders have recently said this can no longer be done in hopes of bringing back more tourists when the borders open again.
Even with every day taxis, motorbikes, and tuk tuks. Farang get charged much higher than Thai. Farang are stupid enough to pay it so why not charge more.
WestCoast1
08-25-20, 10:11
A possible re-opening for tourists:
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/thailand-reopening-safe-and-sealed-covid/index.html
A possible re-opening for tourists:
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/thailand-reopening-safe-and-sealed-covid/index.html
"I have asked the prime minister for approval to set October 1 as the date to allow (inbound) tourists to enter," he said. "I also have requested to use Phuket as a pilot model ... and have received approval from the Center for Economic Situation Administration."Of course, only time will tell if this tentative restart actually happens then, later or at all. But when I posted earlier that I had a feeling the September 26 deadline for short term visa amnesty would likely serve as the dividing line for "out with the old, in with the new" and that a new way for tourists to enter via international flights would follow shortly thereafter, even I didn't predict it might be less than a week thereafter. LOL.
I swear I had no CESA insider information on which to base my guess. It was based solely on my observations of the general Thai mindset and behavior over the years.
LittleBigMan
08-25-20, 12:13
Sorry I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but each day there seem to be some official getting up on their soapbox saying this or that I wonder how many government people do they have? Whatever the number none of these people can change a thing no one MP or even the PM himself he is nothing but a puppet. None of the announcements read between the lines that they are going to open anything or anywhere without a bunch of strings attached.
In the Phuket story, they have taken the " travel bubble term " now replace it with some " safe be. S. " you still need the see. O. E certificate of entry from the Thai Embassy but they don't tell you what you got to do to get one! I suggest unless you see it on paper and it reads something like " no restrictions " I just wouldn't get my hopes up! Today another official T.V article said they are " Hoping " that they will get 2 million tourists by end of year but noted you still need the C. O. E. this article got 20 plus pages of negative jokes and responses just as I noted above. Should I jump up and down and get my pom-poms out hell no I'm just too damn old and tired of all the smoke they like to blow up everyone's ass does anyone wonder why the young are on the rise to overthrow these old fuckers!
In the end, I continue to hope I'm wrong but when I read the articles and break it down it always falls apart! They are scared shit and I don't blame them each repatriates flight you have cases so if they open the doors there is no way Thailand or any country can handle the rise in cases.
Sorry I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but each day there seem to be some official getting up on their soapbox saying this or that I wonder how many government people do they have? Whatever the number none of these people can change a thing no one MP or even the PM himself he is nothing but a puppet. None of the announcements read between the lines that they are going to open anything or anywhere without a bunch of strings attached.
In the Phuket story, they have taken the " travel bubble term " now replace it with some " safe be. S. " you still need the see. O. E certificate of entry from the Thai Embassy but they don't tell you what you got to do to get one! I suggest unless you see it on paper and it reads something like " no restrictions " I just wouldn't get my hopes up! Today another official T.V article said they are " Hoping " that they will get 2 million tourists by end of year but noted you still need the C. O. E. this article got 20 plus pages of negative jokes and responses just as I noted above. Should I jump up and down and get my pom-poms out hell no I'm just too damn old and tired of all the smoke they like to blow up everyone's ass does anyone wonder why the young are on the rise to overthrow these old fuckers!
In the end, I continue to hope I'm wrong but when I read the articles and break it down it always falls apart! They are scared shit and I don't blame them each repatriates flight you have cases so if they open the doors there is no way Thailand or any country can handle the rise in cases.This is the first proposal I have read that involves arriving on an island first to spend the 14 day quarantine before being permitted to transfer directly to the mainland. Kind of a two week Covid-19 leper colony. LOL.
Have you read any others like this?
The first big hurdle is to find out how the residents and business owners of Phuket feel about it. I suspect after the Tsunami and recovery not that long ago the business owners of Phuket will be on board with whatever the hell brings tourists into the area to sleep and eat somewhere on the island for at least two weeks with the possibility they might linger in the area for another week after busting out of quarantine and heading to the mainland. Yes, this is definitely for people looking to remain in Thailand at least 30-90 days with some serious money to spend. Not a bad fit for the "in with the new" concept I mentioned, imo.
I assume the proposal is being floated to see what the reaction to the idea is to Thais in Phuket and on the mainland. Same as all the other travel bubble proposals.
So far, the majority of mainland Thais DON'T want inbound flights full of tourists arriving now or the near future. But if the deal is they are only arriving on the mainland after spending 2 weeks isolated in a Phuket hotel with zero symptoms and zero positive test results, there is at least a chance not that many Thais on the mainland would object to it.
Of course, it is just as likely this proposal goes down in flames, too. However, going from no inbound flights allowed to "no restrictions" in one giant leap for Mankind is most certainly not going to happen. There is going to be some months or years of incremental movement first. And this incremental one sounds more practical and potentially effective than any of the others I have read or heard.
LittleBigMan
08-25-20, 15:36
This is the first proposal I have read that involves arriving on an island first to spend the 14 day quarantine before being permitted to transfer directly to the mainland. Kind of a two week Covid-19 leper colony. LOL.
Have you read any others like this?
The first big hurdle is to find out how the residents and business owners of Phuket feel about it. I suspect after the Tsunami and recovery not that long ago the business owners of Phuket will be on board with whatever the hell brings tourists into the area to sleep and eat somewhere on the island for at least two weeks with the possibility they might linger in the area for another week after busting out of quarantine and heading to the mainland. Yes, this is definitely for people looking to remain in Thailand at least 30-90 days with some serious money to spend. Not a bad fit for the "in with the new" concept I mentioned, imo.
I assume the proposal is being floated to see what the reaction to the idea is to Thais in Phuket and on the mainland. Same as all the other travel bubble proposals.
So far, the majority of mainland Thais DON'T want inbound flights full of tourists arriving now or the near future. But if the deal is they are only arriving on the mainland after spending 2 weeks isolated in a Phuket hotel with zero symptoms and zero positive test results, there is at least a chance not that many Thais on the mainland would object to it.
Of course, it is just as likely this proposal goes down in flames, too. However, going from no inbound flights allowed to "no restrictions" in one giant leap for Mankind is most certainly not going to happen. There is going to be some months or years of incremental movement first. And this incremental one sounds more practical and potentially effective than any of the others I have read or heard.That is where we will have to agree to disagree! What the business and the resident want in Phuket I seriously don't think the Thai leaders even care. For example, what is going on in the USA With a number of States in Lockdown with numerous lawsuits you think these State governments really care what the business and residents think? So why would the Thai leaders care sure they go through the motion which is what they are doing now but none of them have the authority to push their agenda through as I said not even puppet man himself can do it. When it is decided Thailand is going to open up the skies he will be the spokesman that is it!
As I said try to read between the lines whenever these MP like in the Phuket case getting to the 14-day quarantine is the last part try there are like 10 steps of items you must obtain prior to even getting a flight to Thailand to be quarantine. This proposal is no different from the Elite Card or for medical tourism made two months ago which there are hardly any takers so like always they relabel stuff " hoping " charlie tuna is going to bite. If I could I tell the man to his face KEEP PRAYING plenty of Temples around to take your donations.
In general, The Thais don't have the critical thinking to break down or challenge their leaders they just follow the reason the survey result want the leaders to keep foreigners out. Anyone can put two and two together and see Thais coming back from overseas like the USA Need to be tested and quarantine as long there isn't a vaccine but reality you can't live in a bubble in today world 21st, Global when the skies open the 2nd, 3rd mutation is coming and the Thai leaders know they are unprepared.
They are just smoking the bad weed they grow here or the constant dying of their hair is affecting their thinking that no one can see thru the smoke they are blowing up everyone butt. The only credit I give them is they don't seem to have much shame getting up on their soapbox.
Whatever suggestion they make whatever small step you suggest they are making isn't going to bring in the tourist they want short or long term no one has the time or dumb enough to spend the money right now to get to the 14 day stage. I read every article particularly on T. V. The last two months and have seen two or three cases posted. The requirements are still in place whatever story you read it they don't come out and actually spell it out that they have reduced some of the restrictions then it is just another day they are blowing smoke.
I will do you a favor since you are posting so much to the envy of so many although I don't agree with the Bareback stuff each story that comes I will point out if it is smoke or actually a small step to opening.
Franciscass
08-25-20, 15:46
There are tons of non P4 P places in Thailand where Farang are charged more than Thai most noticeably at tourist traps like Art in Paradise, Pattaya Floating market, etc. There is no hiding it. Signs clearly list different pricing for Thai and tourists. IIRC Thai leaders have recently said this can no longer be done in hopes of bringing back more tourists when the borders open again.
Even with every day taxis, motorbikes, and tuk tuks. Farang get charged much higher than Thai. Farang are stupid enough to pay it so why not charge more.Neither of the following are discriminatory but I have always found these anomalies interesting.
Start with similar ingredients and depending which recipe is used and where it's placed on the menu you pay different prices for the finished dish. Turn it into a burger and chips and you pay say 300 baht, turn it into a massaman curry and it's yours for 200. In other words farang food costs more than Thai food even though the cost of goods is roughly the same.
Oil massages usually cost 50% to 100% more than Thai massages. OK you pay extra for the oil but that is offset by the cost of laundry with a Thai massage and the masseuse gets the same, sometimes maybe an extra 20 or 40 more for her hour.
Is it because foreigners are more likely to have oil massages and non-Thai food.
LittleBigMan
08-25-20, 15:53
Two new articles just came over the TV wired.
One commented that it would be 5 years before Pattaya gets back to pre-covid tourist numbers so braced yourself and year to date 71% reduction in tourist. So the next highlight article is some official now he is preparing his prison population in speaking better English and he wants to open his prison as a tourist attraction so tourists can rub shoulders with how the other half lives you can't make up this shit or can you.
He doesn't mention a thing about any restrictions why because he is blowing smoke!
............some official now he is preparing his prison population in speaking better English.........So you guys out there, be careful in not offending Thai law, he may want resident tutors.
LittleBigMan
08-26-20, 02:13
This morning an article that the Hotel Association of Thailand " Demanded " that the country open up to foreigners. Where will this go the member is from a very powerful family and does have influence with the puppet man since the Hotel industry is pretty much at Zero!
But as you continue with the article it still is talking about allowing only certain countries and only into a specific location like Phuket and if that works which I really hope I'm wrong Chon Buri (Pattaya) will be next but as I noted there is no mentioned about removing all the obstacles in place just to get into quarantine! So I put this article into my smoke pile!
Banana Boi
08-26-20, 07:06
Oil massages usually cost 50% to 100% more than Thai massages. OK you pay extra for the oil but that is offset by the cost of laundry with a Thai massage and the masseuse gets the same, sometimes maybe an extra 20 or 40 more for her hour.I thought asking for oil massage was the secret word for wanting extras. At least that's what I recall reading before my first trip to Thailand. After my interrupting a massage girl eating her Somtan fiasco I now clarify that the girl does extras before paying for any massage. Waste of my time if no extras are involved.
Banana Boi
08-26-20, 07:23
One commented that it would be 5 years before Pattaya gets back to pre-covid tourist numbers Pattaya won't last 5 years. It will become a sleepy town for Thai people to take over and live. It will not be anything like you know it as today.
allowing only certain countries and only into a specific location like Phuket Only for long term visitors over 30 days and still a mandatory 14 day quarantine. Pretty sure people from China can find better holiday destinations with no lengthy quarantine and only limited to staying in Phuket and Krabi by the time Thailand decides to reopen borders. The key is stays OVER 30 days only which most casual travelers who still work are unable to do and many countries only have 30 day limit Visas.
Franciscass
08-26-20, 07:42
I thought asking for oil massage was the secret word for wanting extras. At least that's what I recall reading before my first trip to Thailand. After my interrupting a massage girl eating her Somtan fiasco I now clarify that the girl does extras before paying for any massage. Waste of my time if no extras are involved.Yup BB if its a rub and tug its an oil massage but believe it or not there lots of people male and female who just want a massage and choose an oil massage which as I said for some inexplicable reason costs a lot more.
LittleBigMan
08-26-20, 10:15
Pattaya won't last 5 years. It will become a sleepy town for Thai people to take over and live. It will not be anything like you know it as today.
Only for long term visitors over 30 days and still a mandatory 14 day quarantine. Pretty sure people from China can find better holiday destinations with no lengthy quarantine and only limited to staying in Phuket and Krabi by the time Thailand decides to reopen borders. The key is stays OVER 30 days only which most casual travelers who still work are unable to do and many countries only have 30 day limit Visas.That is exactly what I'm trying to convey to those who read these new announcements and thinks it is a step forward when it isn't. It is the same smokescreen with a different name on it. You break it down they are grasping for straws throwing out old ideas with new names attached " HOPING " when it is just a big " PRAYER " if you stay 6 months then it might be worth the time to jump through these hoops and the only ones that can are the rich, retired or both?
Like Mr. E said anyone who spends the time to actually open their eyes when they are running around looking for pussy would see in the tourist area beach road, 2nd road the number of shops that are closed many gone forever. Many ex-pats I talk to love it that things are closed they got the place to themselves plus they are scared shit in general because of their age once they open the place up and allow any foreigner regardless of skin color it is a no brainer to me at least the next wave will come. That is why I'm making arrangements to find places to get tested and the best option for treatment even updated my personal affairs.
See I read the reports with great interest and amusement because I must be the only one who isn't thinking where my next pussy is coming. I just respect what is written and say to myself I'm glad when LBM is horny he just goes and gets it and then move on. Pattaya is dying a slow death whatever it becomes within the next year or 5 I will still be here like Mr. E said you can still get as much pussy as you want.
LittleBigMan
08-27-20, 10:54
Last night there was an article PM O-Chan pretty much shot down all the M. P. Suggestions about opening up. This morning reported in an interview with O-Chan printed in the Bangkok Post after reading this is what I took away from it?
I believe his adviser is telling when they decided to open that is when the virus will come this is my position but when they actually do it must be done first and foremost at the health and safety of the Thai people which indicates they will still have restrictions to ensure that happens will the remove some no indication. He is also suggesting when the foreigners arrive they should be welcome since they are needed to uplift the economy especially the tourist industry and the jobs they provide which in my opinion has been severely misjudged but that doesn't mean they are going to relax immigration or treat us better? The " Welcome " remark is now to try to lower temperature or reverse the resentment towards visiting foreigners they so have instilled in their people the last few months.
Everything is supposed to be done with " Caution " but no direct indication of removing any of the restriction already in place including the final phase which is the 14 days quarantine there was mentioned of tracking the arriving aircraft, testing but like the Phuket story it was throw out to expand the quarantine area beyond the hotel which seem to mean allowing foreigners/visitor to quarantine in a particular area for example if it was in Pattaya quarantine the visitor in the beach road area? Cha-O and his advisors seem to think if this works Chon Buri and another handful of other popular destinations will be added.
In the end, regardless today story doesn't mentioned removal of the current restrictions just to get here or allow for Airline to resume their normal flight schedules?
Yesterday I was banging a disagreeable smelly hooker and to try to climax I closed my eyes and imagined that it was a Thai babe I had banged some time ago (for one tenth of the price). Covid sucks.
LittleBigMan
08-28-20, 02:03
Here is the update on allowing foreigners into Thailand starting Oct 1st, particularly from Phuket the starting point. The new program now is called the 5-T, after reading the article the requirement is still or nearly the same as before. Need to contact your nearest Thai Royal Embassy and obtain a Certificate of Entry which requires testing evidence before and after, when arriving the last testing can't be older than 72 hours, need to have medical coverage for $100,000 USD for the length of your stay if you plan to stay a year the cost is in the range of $4-5,000 USD = 140,000 baht. Then, of course, you will be quarantined in one of their hotel's designated zone in Phuket testing the first 3-5 days and again 12-13 days. They seem to have added you must download a program on your phone so they can track your movement?
In this program, they have a list of countries that they will allow specially arranged flights Denmark, Germany, U.K. South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and later of course they favorite nation China they expect to add more flights as needed as they are sure this will be the start of something big?
Who is going to sign up?
Banana Boi
08-28-20, 02:56
In this program, they have a list of countries that they will allow specially arranged flights Denmark, Germany, U.K. South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong and later of course they favorite nation China they expect to add more flights as needed as they are sure this will be the start of something big?How does UK make this list? They got 1500+ new cases yesterday. South Korea is on the verge of a horrible wave 2 outbreak. Germany's 2nd wave is just starting.
So here's my question. If I have an American passport and have spent the past 2 weeks in Germany or UK, am I now allowed to get in to Thigh-Land because I am flying from one of the allowed countries or disqualified because I have a USA passport?
How does UK make this list? They got 1500+ new cases yesterday. South Korea is on the verge of a horrible wave 2 outbreak. Germany's 2nd wave is just starting.
So here's my question. If I have an American passport and have spent the past 2 weeks in Germany or UK, am I now allowed to get in to Thigh-Land because I am flying from one of the allowed countries or disqualified because I have a USA passport?Just a guess, the key maybe it is Thai Airways chartered flights. For example, the reason US is not on the list maybe because THAI does not have an agreement to fly to US.
LittleBigMan
08-28-20, 11:11
How does UK make this list? They got 1500+ new cases yesterday. South Korea is on the verge of a horrible wave 2 outbreak. Germany's 2nd wave is just starting.
So here's my question. If I have an American passport and have spent the past 2 weeks in Germany or UK, am I now allowed to get in to Thigh-Land because I am flying from one of the allowed countries or disqualified because I have a USA passport?To be honest I have no idea maybe it is because an Ambassador has a thing for LadyBoys in Thailand and has enough juice to get them on? Mostly it is politics and what fills that list for that special person that runs this country?
Not a fact but I've heard your question before and remember someone gave me this example not sure it is an answer? For example, if you are coming from the USA Then the Certificate of Entry must come from one of the Thai Embassy that will be your origination plus your testing results must match up in which can't be less than 72 hours. So it has been thought of if a person obtains all the necessary paperwork and testing and originates on a Cathay Pacific flight out of SFO / KG connecting to BKK when you arrive that is what the I. O. Will be looking for transitting thru Hong Kong doesn't wave the requirement. Now I heard if you do what is required (Quarantine?) in Hong Kong and go through all the steps you did in USA Obtain a new Certificate of Entry and testing results in Hong Kong then you might get in. Hope that helps.
Here is the update on allowing foreigners into Thailand starting Oct 1st, particularly from Phuket the starting point. The new program now is called the 5-T, after reading the article the requirement is still or nearly the same as before. Need to contact your nearest Thai Royal Embassy and obtain a Certificate of Entry which requires testing evidence before and after, when arriving the last testing can't be older than 72 hours, need to have medical coverage for $100,000 USD for the length of your stay if you plan to stay a year the cost is in the range of $4-5,000 USD = 140,000 baht. Then, of course, you will be quarantined in one of their hotel's designated zone in Phuket testing the first 3-5 days and again 12-13
Who is going to sign up?Banana Boi for one. He's also willing to spend 2 weeks in Europe for the privilege. Some of us really miss LOS!
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