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NicFrenchy
02-01-21, 01:30
Imagine that. The local just shook down a bunch of tourists for $1300 apiece. I wonder if it will be deducted from the covid deposit they paid when they entered the country.If you ask me, they should get the max jail sentence 2 years. I think they'll have time to reflect on the stupidity and danger of their behavior?
Bar owners should get the same courtesy.
HorseTrader
02-03-21, 01:01
I keep in touch with several non-P4P Thai girls. Yesterday a Khon Kaen hairdresser told me that vaccinated tourists do not need to be quarantined. Today a Bangkok nurse told me the same thing.
I've looked through a couple of Thai news sources and haven't seen anything that suggests no quarantine for vaccinated tourists. Am I missing something? My guess is these Thai girls don't know what they are talking about. My gut feel is the quarantine requirements will continue for months to come.
Mr Enternational
02-03-21, 01:12
I keep in touch with several non-P4P Thai girls. Yesterday a Khon Kaen hairdresser told me that vaccinated tourists do not need to be quarantined. Today a Bangkok nurse told me the same thing.
If you have not learned by now that Thai people go on I think and not facts. Fuck around and listen to them if you want to. My girlfriend is a hairdresser and always says stuff that there is no basis for as well. Follow the Bangkok Post, not those unlearned chicks.
LittleBigMan
02-03-21, 01:50
If you have not learned by now that Thai people go on I think and not facts. Fuck around and listen to them if you want to. My girlfriend is a hairdresser and always says stuff that there is no basis for as well. Follow the Bangkok Post, not those unlearned chicks.Correct! Rumors and more rumors " I heard this from my friend stuff " it is nice that it is even being suggested by some officials like the one from TAT, even a letter was written by a Hotel Association Head a guy half Thai and American whatever reason got ripe apart for making the suggestion? In the end, it has only been suggested that anyone who has gotten the vaccine with a vaccine passport is allowed into Thailand to travel freely without any Quarantine (no mention of insurance or obtaining COE) also reported by a health minister much too early not enough data to approve such a request did suggest if it happens it might be later in the year?
Their education system lacking? For example, I was getting a massage yesterday from a regular talking about the vaccine from China she couldn't wait, I said that was the last one I would take she was surprised I told her a bit about China she had no idea that China was a communist country that she felt it was just like Thailand? Not the first time.
HorseTrader
02-03-21, 02:08
If you have not learned by now that Thai people go on I think and not facts. Fuck around and listen to them if you want to. My girlfriend is a hairdresser and always says stuff that there is no basis for as well. Follow the Bangkok Post, not those unlearned chicks.Yes, you have observed the same things as I have. I sporadically read TheThaiger, PattayaNews, and BangkokPost. I appreciate members of this board who post links to good articles that I miss.
Franciscass
02-03-21, 04:11
Restricting visitors was never about their contracting the virus when they got here, it was about their bringing it with them. So unless the vaccines along with preventing serious illness developing also prevents the possibility of becoming infected and being a transmitter vaccination certs may not be the game changer people expect. The data so far is incomplete but anecdotally suggests while lessening the possibility none of the existing vaccines totally prevent the possibility of infection and transmission. Reaching herd immunity at somewhere between 60% to 80% of a population seems to be what's needed but it could be quite some time before this happens in Thailand. Meanwhile second guessing what the uniforms will do while an amusing pastime in my humble opinion is pointless.
Banana Boi
02-03-21, 05:12
I keep in touch with several non-P4P Thai girls. Yesterday a Khon Kaen hairdresser told me that vaccinated tourists do not need to be quarantined. Today a Bangkok nurse told me the same thing.
I've looked through a couple of Thai news sources and haven't seen anything that suggests no quarantine for vaccinated tourists. Am I missing something? My guess is these Thai girls don't know what they are talking about. My gut feel is the quarantine requirements will continue for months to come.This is just another one of those "ideas" that are being floated around by some leader who I assume has something to gain from more tourism. As we know 1 out of 100 of these "ideas" come to fruition. The STV comes to mind.
Imo this would be a huge mistake by Thailand if they allow this. The vaccine DOES NOT stop COVID. It just lowers your chances of getting COVID. The UK variant of COVID seems to be a champion at mutating and all the current vaccines out there will likely be ineffective in the near future.
There are a lot of news articles based on ideas from those not in control, resort owners, industry groups and even TAT and government officials. But it does not count for squat, the regulations are driven by the CCSA and only the cabinet has that power, with the prime ministers approval. Until you see an official announcement in the Royal Gazette then it's only a proposal at best.
The vaccine DOES NOT stop COVID. It just lowers your chances of getting COVID. The UK variant of COVID seems to be a champion at mutating and all the current vaccines out there will likely be ineffective in the near future.This is very interesting info, can you share your sources?
HorseTrader
02-03-21, 16:27
....The vaccine DOES NOT stop COVID. It just lowers your chances of getting COVID.I haven't seen anything conclusive on that yet. If you've seen such a report, I'd be interested in reading it. If the virus cannot replicate and transmit through vaccinated people, that is good enough. It will take more time before that is known.
I hope that Thailand will keep existing policies until there is solid scientific data that shows vaccinated people cannot transmit the virus.
I haven't seen anything conclusive on that yet.Exactly. The experts seem cautiously optimistic on this though, but are careful not to make any unsubstantiated claims this early on.
Maybe the OP is privy to exclusive information. Or maybe not.
Banana Boi
02-04-21, 05:54
Maybe it's late and I'm tired but are you guys saying that vaccines DO stop COVID from spreading altogether? I have yet to read a single report that says this is the case.
An article yesterday.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/oxfords-covid-19-vaccine-said-182000302.html
"In addition to being 70.4 percent effective at preventing serious COVID-19, a new paper shows that the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine may also reduce transmission of the virus"
"This is the first study to analyze whether any of the COVID-19 vaccines currently in use can prevent infection and transmission of the disease. The data we have so far on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines only show that they can prevent serious illness, not that they prevent contraction of the virus in the first place"
Maybe it's late and I'm tired but are you guys saying that vaccines DO stop COVID from spreading altogether? No, not me, at least. Why would I make such a claim?
As the saying goes "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
But let's wait and see, data will surely be forthcoming.
HorseTrader
02-04-21, 08:07
No, not me, at least. Why would I make such a claim?
As the saying goes "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
But let's wait and see, data will surely be forthcoming.Ditto from me.
I am hopeful.
Franciscass
02-04-21, 09:03
You are not vaccinated, you are not wearing a mask, some other idiot also not wearing a mask but has been vaccinated is close enough their airborne droplets are inhaled by you, the data shows with the current vaccines you can become infected. The degree of transmissibility is being studied but for now the simple take away is continue following health guidelines and wait for the vaccine. If I may I would suggest that if one wants to keep up to date with what's going on with vaccines and the virus UK tabloids are probably not where you need to go.
Conflicting claims going on. But some say it can still move around amongst the unjabbed, so it needs everybody jabbed to get herd immunity, and then there's the mutations which are about. Some say the vaccines won't work on mutants. We don't know for sure yet.
Never mind there's reports on TV of super gonorrhea in Pattaya to replace it.
Quote from TV.
A friend of mine has Super Gonorrhea (not me promise and is having a hell of a time trying to kill it, so far repeated doses of the recommended antibiotics aren't working.
This thread is just a reminder that it is out there, not reported much but definitely in Pattaya. He is following up with the hospital for next steps.
Anybody else care to admit getting it and how they finally got rid of it?
Conflicting claims going on. But some say it can still move around amongst the unjabbed, so it needs everybody jabbed to get herd immunity, and then there's the mutations which are about. Some say the vaccines won't work on mutants. We don't know for sure yet.
Never mind there's reports on TV of super gonorrhea in Pattaya to replace it.
Quote from TV.
A friend of mine has Super Gonorrhea (not me promise and is having a hell of a time trying to kill it, so far repeated doses of the recommended antibiotics aren't working.
This thread is just a reminder that it is out there, not reported much but definitely in Pattaya. He is following up with the hospital for next steps.
Anybody else care to admit getting it and how they finally got rid of it?WTF? There are only a few STD's that have a vaccine and Gonorrhea is not one of them.
Member #4733
02-05-21, 11:38
He is following up with the hospital for next steps.
Anybody else care to admit getting it and how they finally got rid of it?I did have Gonorrhea a while back, in Europe. I went to the doctor and got an antibiotic. I waited for a week. It did not work. Got back to the doctor and got another one. That worked. Doctor told me that I should have come back earlier as the antibiotic should give relief in days. So that might be a tip to anybody: just ask your doctor about how soon the medicine should work. The doctor informed me that even if the second antibiotic would not have worked too there are still some other options, I. E. Antibiotics. Some of these are only administered in the hospital. My only problem was that I had serious pain for one week more and it took about 2 months to feel normal again. By the way, I got it after a DT. Won't be doing that again.
This is something completely different then virus infections. Just google "virus versus bacteria infections" and choose a medical article in stead of a newspaper.
Got a dose of the clap last year. Went to BHP for analysis. Positive for gono. Was given a jab of some antibiotic (I don't remember which) + azithromycin oral. It worked. But it also must've meant 1 antibiotic on its own was not sufficient.
Symptoms were nearly unnoticeable after 3 days of treatment.
Got a dose of the clap last year. Went to BHP for analysis. Positive for gono. Was given a jab of some antibiotic (I don't remember which) + azithromycin oral. It worked. But it also must've meant 1 antibiotic on its own was not sufficient.
Symptoms were nearly unnoticeable after 3 days of treatment.Correct, due to more resistant strains of Gono, one drug won't cut it anymore.
Use to be just azithromycin alone many yrs ago was enough. Then resistance set in.
Then oral Cefixime was introduce and it was enough alone to do the job. That lasted about 3 yrs and now its not effective.
Today its an injection of Ceftriaxone and a 2nd oral antibiotic is needed.
Just to add, cases of Gono already documented that's resistant to ALL known antibiotics, meaning totally incurable. And these cases are rising worldwide.
Got a dose of the clap last year. Went to BHP for analysis. Positive for gono. Was given a jab of some antibiotic (I don't remember which) + azithromycin oral. It worked. But it also must've meant 1 antibiotic on its own was not sufficient.
Symptoms were nearly unnoticeable after 3 days of treatment.You are unlucky, many posters have unprotected sex and report that they have never got an STD. I am scared of contracting that antibiotic resistant gonorrhea so I'll always wear my dick mask.
The vaccine DOES NOT stop COVID. It just lowers your chances of getting COVID. Yes, but because it lowers your chances of getting Covid, it also lowers the chance that you spread it around. When you become infected you will have milder symptoms, or none at all, and this means you will be less contagious to others. So in the end the vaccines can certainly stop Covid.
Yes, but because it lowers your chances of getting Covid, it also lowers the chance that you spread it around. When you become infected you will have milder symptoms, or none at all, and this means you will be less contagious to others. So in the end the vaccines can certainly stop Covid.Interesting. I didn't think the vaccine lowered your chances of getting Covid. And I don't think we know yet about the vaccine's ability to stop us from being contagious. I am under the belief the vaccine only prevents you from getting seriously ill. I sure hope this vaccine stuff works. I got my second Pfizer shot yesterday.
Banana Boi
02-08-21, 00:15
It's been reported that AstraZeneca is ineffective against the SA variant. SA has stopped vaccine rollout. There are now 3 reported variants that I am aware of. UK, SA, and Brazil.
Member #4698
02-08-21, 04:14
Interesting. I didn't think the vaccine lowered your chances of getting Covid. And I don't think we know yet about the vaccine's ability to stop us from being contagious. I am under the belief the vaccine only prevents you from getting seriously ill. I sure hope this vaccine stuff works. I got my second Pfizer shot yesterday.I am getting my 2nd Moderna shot this week. I read all the legal mumbo-jumbo that the lawyers cooked up to protect the pharmaceutical companies and hospitals from legal liabilities when I received my 1st round, but I am still under the impression that the Pfizer & Moderna Vaccines lower the chances of catching Corona by roughly 95%.
I am getting my 2nd Moderna shot this week and I am flying to Brazil in roughly 45 days. I realize I am taking a risk. But I don't care if I am wrong about the efficacy of the vaccine or my luck just runs out. I am not going to lose another year to this virus.
Franciscass
02-08-21, 04:57
Yes, but because it lowers your chances of getting Covid, it also lowers the chance that you spread it around. When you become infected you will have milder symptoms, or none at all, and this means you will be less contagious to others. So in the end the vaccines can certainly stop Covid.The metric of how contagious vaccinated people can be will be just one of the variables on when Thailand will reopen without crippling quarantine. Will they say ok you're vaccinated come on in, just bring your cert. Umm I doubt it.
Not obviously for the vaccinated person but testing negative may be considered more relevant than being vaccinated when it comes to whether you could be a spreader. That changes when vaccinations in the local population.
Reach a level where herd immunity kicks in which sadly looking at the roll out here will not happen anytime soon.
Notwithstanding reports of LK Metro roaring back Thailand is in serious need of a more reasoned policy on how to allow visitors back in. Vaccinations will help but shorter quarantine periods and a smarter use of testing on arrival would be more helpful.
HorseTrader
02-08-21, 08:20
Interesting. I didn't think the vaccine lowered your chances of getting Covid. And I don't think we know yet about the vaccine's ability to stop us from being contagious. I am under the belief the vaccine only prevents you from getting seriously ill. I sure hope this vaccine stuff works. I got my second Pfizer shot yesterday.You effectively have it right. The virus is named "SARS-CoV-2" and when it is in your body it can cause the disease named COVID-19. The vaccine won't keep the virus out of your system, but it will go a long way towards preventing or lessening the disease. The different vaccines use different technologies so some might stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2 while others don't. I've seen no scientific test data that answers that question one way or the other. You may just be an asymptomatic spreader of SARS-CoV-2.
It's great that you got your Pfizer shots. That and the Moderna seem to be exceptional.
Franciscass
02-08-21, 16:33
You effectively have it right. The virus is named "SARS-CoV-2" and when it is in your body it can cause the disease named COVID-19. The vaccine won't keep the virus out of your system, but it will go a long way towards preventing or lessening the disease. The different vaccines use different technologies so some might stop the spread of SARS-CoV-2 while others don't. I've seen no scientific test data that answers that question one way or the other. You may just be an asymptomatic spreader of SARS-CoV-2.
It's great that you got your Pfizer shots. That and the Moderna seem to be exceptional.Agree, as of now Pfixer and Moderna appear to be more efficacious than Astra Zenaca but that may be just down to A / Z been more widely used and thereby having more data available particularly against the South African variant. The real game changer may be the single shot J and J which is expected to come on stream later this month month.
Living here and waiting for a vaccine is frustrating. Seems they have their own authorization process to complete but if a vaccine has been approved by the US UK and EU surely that should be good enough. My feeling is most likely when the paper work is completed the private sector will get their hands on limited supplies and we will be paying silly prices to get vaccinated.
My feeling is most likely when the paper work is completed the private sector will get their hands on limited supplies and we will be paying silly prices to get vaccinated.No doubt farang will pay plenty for the vaccine in Thailand. That's if the South African variant doesn't kill us all.
Agree, as of now Pfixer and Moderna appear to be more efficacious than Astra Zenaca but that may be just down to A / Z been more widely used and thereby having more data available particularly against the South African variant. The real game changer may be the single shot J and J which is expected to come on stream later this month month.What many of the news outlets fail to report on is that that these are early indicators of a possible outcome, Europe has authorised the AZ vaccine for all ages but countries are refusing to administer the vaccine to the elderly as they don't have enough information about it's effect on that age group. I wonder what they will do when they have access to the other vaccines with similar levels of data. Now the efficacy against the SA strain is questioned due to similar small results. The experts who reported their analysis made it clear that there was a wide range of possible outcomes when it's delivered to more people.
The latest intel on Covid vaccines is not good for any 3rd world country. (And eventually for all of us).
1) most developed countries will certainly hold the vaccines for their citizens to be vaccinated first before mass distribution to 3rd world countries.
2) the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are problematic for 3rd world countries because of storage and shipping issues. (They require specialized deep freezers ex. Pfizer vaccines must be kept under -70 degrees, anything above that and its only good for 24 hrs after).
3) because most 3rd world countries won't get their shots finished perhaps for years, this will allow a lot of time for mutant variants to develop and spread that no current vaccine can stop.
Things are not looking good for planet earth.
And 3rd world countries won't be able to cope with the mutations of which there will be many for years needing tweeked vaccines for years and years, the Thai billionaires will be fine tho. Pity about the workers.
Things are looking good for planet earth!
Tinte / Black ink.
The latest intel on Covid vaccines is not good for any 3rd world country. (And eventually for all of us).
1) most developed countries will certainly hold the vaccines for their citizens to be vaccinated first before mass distribution to 3rd world countries.
2) the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are problematic for 3rd world countries because of storage and shipping issues. (They require specialized deep freezers ex. Pfizer vaccines must be kept under -70 degrees, anything above that and its only good for 24 hrs after).
3) because most 3rd world countries won't get their shots finished perhaps for years, this will allow a lot of time for mutant variants to develop and spread that no current vaccine can stop.
Things are not looking good for planet earth.Just makes me think the "COVID passport" type thing when it inevitably comes to life, is going to the standard for international travel to many countries and developed nations certainly look they may be on track to be able to provide vaccines to all 18+ adults who want it by late summer.
OK. That said, yeah things don't look great for developing nations, but your info is a bit wrong. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are high priced with lot of requirements and were never intended for developing nations, they were meant to be a fast way to produce a vaccine for nations that could support the additional cost and logistics. There are other vaccines testing and such that are designed for cheaper distribution without need for anything complex-- plus the Chinese vaccine which, well, lets wait for it to be reviewed, but I suspect it will be widely distributed in SE Asia. The Russian one is seemingly getting peer reviewed well too (but again lets wait). And then there is a whole slew of others expecting to get done soon.
Its going to be a tough road but I see tourism opening much wider by the end of the year, plus people are flush with travel cash and countries are going to want to cash in on that, even if covid issues are present.
I have been asking random Thais (not just working girls) if they would take the vaccine if available for free. I am finding 20% yes, 80% NO- but this is a small sample and all done in northern Thai provinces. Maybe if the poll was were taken in Rayong or BKK the results would be different. If you have any data, please chip in /.
Mr Enternational
02-10-21, 01:59
I have been asking random Thais (not just working girls) if they would take the vaccine if available for free. I am finding 20% yes, 80% NOMost of the people that I ask in the States are not getting it either. I am of the same persuasion. TV makes you think that it is in demand and the majority wants to get it. They are trying to coax people into getting it by bombarding you with news and propaganda.
This is a very sensible answer. Young working women are not high risk from covid and the vaccine does not stop spread. Why would they want it? What's the upside?
I have been asking random Thais (not just working girls) if they would take the vaccine if available for free. I am finding 20% yes, 80% NO- but this is a small sample and all done in northern Thai provinces. Maybe if the poll was were taken in Rayong or BKK the results would be different. If you have any data, please chip in /.
Franciscass
02-10-21, 05:36
Just as well the anti vaxxers weren't influential when vaccines were developed for smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, hepatitis, measles, diphtheria and some other diseases which have pretty much disappeared or been greatly reduced through the use of vaccines.
If not getting a vaccine effected only the individuals making that choice and if these same individuals if they catch a vaccinatable disease have the means to pay for treatment and care (not become a burden on the state) I would say hey it's your right whether to get vaccinated or not.
This is not the situation with contagious viruses. You don't get vaccinated just to protect yourself but also to protect others in your community by firstly reducing the level of transmissibility if you happened to get infected and secondly so that the population can reach a vaccinated level where herd immunity kicks in.
The arguments against getting vaccinated as I understand include infringement on your civil liberty, no need to get vaccinated I'll be ok, discredited science on the dangers of vaccines and more recently a political context usually emanating from the right wing of the spectrum. I could be wrong but I have a feeling these same anti vaxxers are less likely to wear a mask, feel the need to social distance or follow other health safety guidelines.
On the acceptability of vaccines, polls depending on the demographic show an increasing willingness to get vaccinated. This is expected to rise further as more data comes in on the effectiveness of the different vaccines in preventing serious illness and deaths from Covid 19.
I for one will be rolling up my sleeve at the earliest opportunity.
HorseTrader
02-10-21, 07:26
Most of the people that I ask in the States are not getting it either. I am of the same persuasion. TV makes you think that it is in demand and the majority wants to get it. They are trying to coax people into getting it by bombarding you with news and propaganda.I'm in the States and everyone I know is trying to get the vaccine ASAP. Some are trying to trick the registration system to get it early and others are pissed when they learn that an unqualified person got the vaccine without waiting their turn. Haven't spoken to a single person in USA who doesn't want the vaccine. But, I know there are millions out there.
I also keep in touch with too many Thai girls ranging from 22 to 55 years. When I mention the vaccine they think about me getting the vaccine so I can travel to Thailand and spend my money. They don't think about them getting the vaccine, it seems out of reach for them.
Americans and Thais have different perspectives of the disease. Very few Thais have gotten COVID. They think about the economic problems they face and the restrictions on their daily lives. On the other hand, I have many friends who fought COVID (maybe 30?) 5 or 6 were admitted to hospitals, 3 went to ICU, and one lost his life. The sad thing is that most of my friends who got COVID were able to trace the origin to violations of the social distancing rules at parties, family gatherings, or at church. Only one family of 4 got COVID from the work environment. Personally, I work at home and isolate myself except for necessary outings (food, medicine, and hookers).
the vaccine does not stop spread. Do you have data to back up your claim?
Again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Personally, I work at home and isolate myself except for necessary outings (food, medicine, and hookers).Same here, but different order.
Franciscass
02-10-21, 09:58
This is a very sensible answer. Young working women are not high risk from covid and the vaccine does not stop spread. Why would they want it? What's the upside?You're right doesn't stop spread but data shows it reduces it.
Populations need to achieve herd immunity which means 70% of population vaccinated.
Yes younger means less likely to get seriously sick but they are not immune.
Instead of what's the upside in getting vaccinated I feel the question should be what's the upside in not getting vaccinated, it's just a jab or two not heart surgery and in most countries it's free.
Of course if one is in an anti vax frame of mind it's a different argument.
I have been asking random Thais (not just working girls) if they would take the vaccine if available for free. I am finding 20% yes, 80% NO- but this is a small sample and all done in northern Thai provinces. Maybe if the poll was were taken in Rayong or BKK the results would be different. If you have any data, please chip in /.Like the French who say only 42%will have a jab if offered, most are sceptics so bodes bad for froggys to get herd immunity.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/reducing-covid-cases-experts-vaccine-sniffles-164041023.html
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/reducing-covid-cases-experts-vaccine-sniffles-164041023.html
Reducing symptoms to "the sniffles" in most coronavirus cases would be "job done", a top scientist has said.
Professor Andrew Pollard, chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization said the current generation of coronavirus vaccines may already be able to stop severe illness against future variants.
It comes as completely stopping coronavirus transmission becomes increasingly unlikely with new variants emerging across the world.
The UK is aiming to vaccinate 15 million people, including over-70's, vulnerable groups and healthcare workers within the next few weeks.
Millions have already had their first jabs with Britain having one of the highest levels of vaccine coverage so far, along with Israel and the UAE.
Read: Are coronavirus vaccines being wasted in the UK?
Speaking to the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) public hearing on COVID vaccines on Tuesday, Prof Pollard said: "As we move to a point where more people are immunized around the world, or have natural infection, the virus will only survive if it is able to make new versions of itself that can still spread. Despite that immunity.
"I think we have to come to terms with the fact that that is going to be the future," he added.
Pollard suggested that while new vaccines may be needed to stop the spread of new variants, they may not be needed to prevent serious illness or hospitalizations.
The hearing heard evidence about how to best roll out coronavirus vaccines.
The hearing heard evidence about how to best roll out coronavirus vaccines.
He said: "At this point, the jury is out on that. All of the vaccines in the trials in those regions where new variants are emerging – we are not seeing a sudden shift where lots of people who are vaccinated are ending up in hospital. They are still being protected from hospitalization."
Pollard said that more data is needed to get a concrete answer, but in the meantime new vaccines must be prepared just in case.
"We might need boosters, we might need tweaks every year, but actually we might not," he said. "We might be generating enough immunity with the current generation of vaccines to stop severe disease."
Member #4698
02-10-21, 14:46
I'm in the States and everyone I know is trying to get the vaccine ASAP. <snip>
I also keep in touch with too many Thai girls ranging from 22 to 55 years. When I mention the vaccine they think about me getting the vaccine so I can travel to Thailand and spend my money. They don't think about them getting the vaccine, it seems out of reach for them.Yeah, everyone I know here in the USA either wants to get vaccinated or has had the virus. The vast majority of people that I know have not had the illness although some close friends and family members have. Only the crazies in America would refuse to get it. But the issue is mute because in the not too distant future a proof of vaccination will be required to travel and get on a plane, train, or bus. Thus everyone will have a digital vaccine passport in order to travel.
In BKK, Mini my favorite, was concerned about my health when I told her I was getting the vaccine. To allay her fears I chatted with her as I drove home from the hospital. I think innate fear and some degree of superstition is in the mind of many Thais concerning the vaccine, but this issue is mute as well as the previous issue because the Thai government will require all it's citizens to be vaccinated when the time comes. Mini tells me the vaccination program is supposed to begin in BKK in the spring (April or May). She now wants to be vaccinated after hearing about my experience. But we still don't know which Vaccine will be available in Thailand and this is important.
Lastly, I predict that the quarantine restriction on entry will not be relaxed in Thailand until at least 75% of the population is inoculated although there might be roped off areas of entry like Phuket where visitors are allowed to enter provided they have proof of vaccination, pass the Covid 19 test, and are not allowed to leave the island.
HorseTrader
02-10-21, 17:48
Lastly, I predict that the quarantine restriction on entry will not be relaxed in Thailand until at least 75% of the population is inoculated although there might be roped off areas of entry like Phuket where visitors are allowed to enter provided they have proof of vaccination, pass the Covid 19 test, and are not allowed to leave the island.That would seem to make a lot of sense for Thailand. Vaccinate the people in isolated tourist areas first and then allow vaccinated tourists to return. Need to also vaccinate the workers who left the area because of COVID so they can return. First Phuket. Then Koh Samui. Then ...
Seems that would be a way to safely and quickly get some money coming back to Thailand, assuming the vaccines work as expected.
Just as well the anti vaxxers weren't influential when vaccines were developed for smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, hepatitis, measles, diphtheria and some other diseases which have pretty much disappeared or been greatly reduced through the use of vaccines.
If not getting a vaccine effected only the individuals making that choice and if these same individuals if they catch a vaccinatable disease have the means to pay for treatment and care (not become a burden on the state) I would say hey it's your right whether to get vaccinated or not.
This is not the situation with contagious viruses. You don't get vaccinated just to protect yourself but also to protect others in your community by firstly reducing the level of transmissibility if you happened to get infected and secondly so that the population can reach a vaccinated level where herd immunity kicks in.I received my second Pfizer shot about a week ago without side effects from either dose. I did it for others not just for me. I believe our best chance to make this go away is to vaccinate everybody. I want the world to get back to normal and believe vaccination is our best hope.
I received my second Pfizer shot about a week ago without side effects from either dose. I did it for others not just for me. I believe our best chance to make this go away is to vaccinate everybody. I want the world to get back to normal and believe vaccination is our best hope.And the comment you replied to is spot on.
Same here, but different order.What a wonderful full live you both have, no time to travel or experience this wonderful world?
I have been asking random Thais (not just working girls) if they would take the vaccine if available for free. I am finding 20% yes, 80% NO- but this is a small sample and all done in northern Thai provinces. Maybe if the poll was were taken in Rayong or BKK the results would be different. If you have any data, please chip in /.I don't really give a damn if there French or Uk citizens or the idiots in USA don't want it. I was referring to here, Thailand. Sorry I was unclear.
This is a very sensible answer. Young working women are not high risk from covid and the vaccine does not stop spread. Why would they want it? What's the upside?All has to do with numbers. Need about 70-75% of the world to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. Without herd immunity, the Covid will continue to infect (and re-infect) over and over. Mostly through those that have not been vaccinated because they are the ones most susceptible to catching it, mutating it and continue to spread it.
Does herd immunity work?. Sure it does, just look what happen when everyone got vaccinated for small pox as kids (for those of us old enough to remember it), Small pox has been around for thousands of years and killed Hundreds of millions throughout history. It no longer exist due to global vaccination. And if I remember correctly, the shot was not voluntary, every school kid had to get the shot. And present and future generations no longer need the small pox vaccination simply because the virus no longer exist in nature. (Govts still keep smallpox virus in labs as a future bio weapon. But that's another story).
Just my take on this.
Cheers.
We have to be aware that the UK kent strain is going to sweep the world and its 70% more transmissable so it will arrive in your area eventually, hence the bad numbers in the UK that is a struggle to reduce. It will take a massive jabbing effort to get it under control worldwide, and the vacinnes are not readily available worldwide to get herd imunity. The israelies will have the earlist info to work ok on.
Mr Enternational
02-12-21, 03:10
My wingman just arrived in Thailand. He said he breezed through immigration. He only needed 1 copy of the paperwork, but he had 3 just in case. Many people were arriving without the correct paperwork. He said 1 guy arrived and did not have any paperwork at all.
Now starts his 2 weeks on lockdown. I do not know how you guys are doing that. He has an 18 month old son that he has not seen in 1 year, so I understand his position. Plus he wants to get the key to his condo back from the kid's mom. I sent him with money to pay 6 more months rent for me because I doubt I will return by October when the months I have already paid will be exhausted.
Franciscass
02-12-21, 05:31
My wingman just arrived in Thailand. He said he breezed through immigration. He only needed 1 copy of the paperwork, but he had 3 just in case. Many people were arriving without the correct paperwork. He said 1 guy arrived and did not have any paperwork at all.
Now starts his 2 weeks on lockdown. I do not know how you guys are doing that. He has an 18 month old son that he has not seen in 1 year, so I understand his position. Plus he wants to get the key to his condo back from the kid's mom. I sent him with money to pay 6 more months rent for me because I doubt I will return by October when the months I have already paid will be exhausted.Hi,
Do you know what paperwork he had to bring Thanks.
My wingman just arrived in Thailand. He said he breezed through immigration. He only needed 1 copy of the paperwork, but he had 3 just in case. Many people were arriving without the correct paperwork. He said 1 guy arrived and did not have any paperwork at all.
Now starts his 2 weeks on lockdown. I do not know how you guys are doing that. He has an 18 month old son that he has not seen in 1 year, so I understand his position. Plus he wants to get the key to his condo back from the kid's mom. I sent him with money to pay 6 more months rent for me because I doubt I will return by October when the months I have already paid will be exhausted.How can people arrive without paperwork? Normally you're not to be allowed aboard the plane if you can't show a shitload of paperwork. I surmise those guys without paperwork flew from airports in Africa or the Middle East where everything goes.
I'm busy jumping through the hoops via the Thai embassy here in Europe right now. No kids, no wife, no ongoing rental, but I have substantial money in the bank in Thailand. I never bothered to set up online banking in Thailand as I considered myself already up to my neck in passwords and banking IDs with my overseas bank accounts. Bad mistake.
Who would have thought back then it would take so long to get back to Thailand? Leaving Thailand in July 2020 I thought everything would be over by October of the same year. Now we're talking October 2021!
Franciscass
02-12-21, 06:44
Aspirational as with all official forecasts but for what its worth here the latest pronouncements from a senior health official.
February to May will be used to administer 2 million doses of the Sinovac Biotech vaccine, which are due to arrive this month, earmarked for front line medical workers in high-risk areas. During the second phase, June and December, authorities plan to administer 10 million doses monthly using 61 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which will be produced locally by Siam Bioscience. About 1,000 hospitals are being prepared, each able to do 500 doses per day, adding that in the early stages only hospitals with resuscitation areas and equipment would be used Thailand is planning to vaccinate about 60% of the adult population by the end of 2021, to get closer to "herd immunity".
So first, problem with the maths.
(1) 1000 hospitals by 500 daily doses comes to 15 million per month not 10 million.
(2) 61 plus initial 2 million doses would cover 31.5 million people less than half the population. 60% would require 40 million inoculated which is still less than the 70% regarded as a minimum for herd immunity. 70% would require circa 100 million doses.
On the bright side it is at least a plan to get to herd immunity. How this roll out if it happens as planned effects quarantine and other requirements nobody knows but I would hazard a guess and say we are looking at early to mid-2022 to get to arrive at immigration with just your vax cert and you're good to go. Very possible though there will in the interim be a phased relaxing of restrictions, just have to wait and see.
Hello guys!
This is kind of a general post / discussion, but I guess I'll start from this regional forum as it would be my first choice destination.
As pretty much all of us, I'm stuck in this pandemic sh*tshow and looking forward to be travelling again, as I've always done for the past 10 years. I'm a long time world traveller, and in terms of mongering I've been in Asia / Africa / Latin America, always trying to be off the beaten path. It's been fun, but as I get older I guess I am a bit less adventurous, not to mention that due to pandemic a lot of places will be a no-go for a pretty long time.
Let me get to the gist of this post: I am reaching the fuck-you-money that will allow me to leave my full time job, with the aim to start travelling and be free again. I hope that by the end of this year we'll be allowed to traver to Asia again, which I think it will recover much earlier than Latin America and Africa for many reasons.
I've been to Thailand, Vietnam, Cambogia, etc. As a turist, but now I am thinking to relocate there for few months per year, basically when is winter in the north emisphere. My requirements:
- good weather.
- cheap cost of living.
- good stream of pussy (I often pay but I am still reasonably young and good looking, so I am stil able to score in the free-zone. Especially in Latin America as I speak Spanish and Portuguese, but also in Africa using English / French skills.).
- average apartment to live in, nothing luxury but I like to be central and close to amenities.
- good internet as I need to keep up with managing my stuff and money remotely.
Possible answers:
- Thailand, as I think it's the best quality / cost ratio. How much would I need per month to live there, on average? It's the free pussy game still possible or the pay has taken over?
- Vietnam, pro / cons? Internet should be good, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Philippines? Internet most likely very bad, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Other? (Cmabodia, Laos, etc. Or maybe some big cities such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Shangai, Macao, Taipei, etc.).
I know the post seems broad, but we are on ISG so I'd focus the discussion on pay / free pussy availability, the rest I can look it up myself on the web.
Thanks.
Aspirational as with all official forecasts but for what its worth here the latest pronouncements from a senior health official.
February to May will be used to administer 2 million doses of the Sinovac Biotech vaccine, which are due to arrive this month, earmarked for front line medical workers in high-risk areas. During the second phase, June and December, authorities plan to administer 10 million doses monthly using 61 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which will be produced locally by Siam Bioscience. About 1,000 hospitals are being prepared, each able to do 500 doses per day, adding that in the early stages only hospitals with resuscitation areas and equipment would be used Thailand is planning to vaccinate about 60% of the adult population by the end of 2021, to get closer to "herd immunity".
So first, problem with the maths.
(1) 1000 hospitals by 500 daily doses comes to 15 million per month not 10 million.
(2) 61 plus initial 2 million doses would cover 31.5 million people less than half the population. 60% would require 40 million inoculated which is still less than the 70% regarded as a minimum for herd immunity. 70% would require circa 100 million doses..Thais plan to use Oxford vaccine which is limited on mutations and you will have numerous mutations flying into BKK when things get moving again. Aircraft won't be available to shift large numbers of pax disinclined to fly anywhere for quite some time for fear of a dose in a plane even if they've had a jab. Pilots and crew will be all laid off so it will take time to get aircraft flying again. There's tons of obstacles to get tourism moving again inc raised seat prices and fear of lying for years. Despite a trickle of hard core punters. We don't know what deadly mutants will pop up in the future to deal with. Rolls Royce aero expect it to take 5 years to get moving planes in the sky in any numbers.
Banana Boi
02-13-21, 06:47
Possible answers:
- Thailand, as I think it's the best quality / cost ratio. How much would I need per month to live there, on average? It's the free pussy game still possible or the pay has taken over?
- Vietnam, pro / cons? Internet should be good, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Philippines? Internet most likely very bad, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Other? (Cmabodia, Laos, etc. Or maybe some big cities such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Shangai, Macao, Taipei, etc.).Since I have only lived in Thailand I can only give you expert advise on Thailand. Not sure what your budget is for Thailand but let me tell you I have spent about 3 times more than I expected to spend since I moved to Thailand permanently in 2016. Of course you can spend much much less than I do but depends how much fun you want to have. Rent can be cheap. The apartments where gogo girls live can be as cheap as 5-6000 baht per month. A more realistic number for most of us will be 10-15 k per month. A newer condo will be around 20-30 k for a 30-35 sqm place. 1 year lease required by most places. Add about 1000 baht per month for hydro and water. I don't eat much street food. Not because I'm against it but I'm accustomed to eating at nicer places so I usually end up at restaurants. You can get away with eating street food for 40-100 baht per meal. Restaurants are comparable to what you would spend in the USA or Europe, if not more. Add 1-200 baht per day on water and fruits. Are freebies available? That will depend on you. If you can get freebies back in your home country then freebies are readily available in Thailand. However, as we all know, nothing is ever free in any country.
Cambodia. I have never lived there but used to visit around 6 times per year so know the PP scene quite well. Rent is surprisingly expensive around the PP RLD. I looked for a place to live back in 2017 and prices ranged from 600-800 USD nothing was a place I would even consider living in. Maybe I just had a crap real estate agent who thought I was loaded. As for girls, PP is a fraction of the cost of Thailand. 50-70 USD overnight plus 10 USD barfine. Girls are extremely clingy out of desperation for money. PP bar scene is very small comparable to putting together all the bars in LK Metro in Pattaya or Patpong in BKK. Food is much cheaper in PP than Thailand but imo not nearly as good. Free pussy in PP. Easy pickings! They want a husband to take them out of their misery.
Vietnam. Limited experience. No idea on rent since I have never looked at the rental market there but if hotel prices are any indication HCM would be a cheap option to live in. Food is delicious and cheap. Problem is options are limited for girls. Buu Vien street is overpriced. Vietnamese girls are beautiful. Just not many who work on bars or massage places in District 1 or the other Districts. I did see a 9 in Da Nang but I couldn't ask for extras because I was with a girl. Freebies. Forget about it but then again being an expat and learning the language of any country may get you places.
Japan, Singapore, Seoul, HK. If you have to ask how much rent is you likely don't want to pay it, not unlike myself. Spent 6 months Spring to Fall, 2019 in HK, Japan, and Seoul. Luckily 2020 was a virus write off because I'm still licking my wounds on how much it costed me. Freebies? Unlikely for a gaijin. Food is delicious and reasonably priced in all countries though if that matters.
Not on your list. Jakarta. Maybe 10 visits since 2016. Beautiful girls. Dirt cheap. Hardly any English by most. Freebies? Too cheap to waste time to try getting Freebies. May be difficult because girls are under strict guard by their mamasans. Food is awful other than mall restaurants. I'm sure you can find cheap rent here but if you want something nice you will pay for it.
Internet is cheap and fantastic in all countries I have mentioned. A quick Google search will direct you to the best ISP in each country.
Of course all this is pre COVID. Post COVID will be completely different on where is the best value to look for girls.
Can you do a paragraph on Malaysia too please? I always trust your judgement. Thanks 😊.
Since I have only lived in Thailand I can only give you expert advise on Thailand. Not sure what your budget is for Thailand but let me tell you I have spent about 3 times more than I expected to spend since I moved to Thailand permanently in 2016. Of course you can spend much much less than I do but depends how much fun you want to have. Rent can be cheap. The apartments where gogo girls live can be as cheap as 5-6000 baht per month. A more realistic number for most of us will be 10-15 k per month. A newer condo will be around 20-30 k for a 30-35 sqm place. 1 year lease required by most places. Add about 1000 baht per month for hydro and water. I don't eat much street food. Not because I'm against it but I'm accustomed to eating at nicer places so I usually end up at restaurants. You can get away with eating street food for 40-100 baht per meal. Restaurants are comparable to what you would spend in the USA or Europe, if not more. Add 1-200 baht per day on water and fruits. Are freebies available? That will depend on you. If you can get freebies back in your home country then freebies are readily available in Thailand. However, as we all know, nothing is ever free in any country.
Cambodia. I have never lived there but used to visit around 6 times per year so know the PP scene quite well. Rent is surprisingly expensive around the PP RLD. I looked for a place to live back in 2017 and prices ranged from 600-800 USD nothing was a place I would even consider living in. Maybe I just had a crap real estate agent who thought I was loaded. As for girls, PP is a fraction of the cost of Thailand. 50-70 USD overnight plus 10 USD barfine. Girls are extremely clingy out of desperation for money. PP bar scene is very small comparable to putting together all the bars in LK Metro in Pattaya or Patpong in BKK. Food is much cheaper in PP than Thailand but imo not nearly as good. Free pussy in PP. Easy pickings! They want a husband to take them out of their misery.
Vietnam. Limited experience. No idea on rent since I have never looked at the rental market there but if hotel prices are any indication HCM would be a cheap option to live in. Food is delicious and cheap. Problem is options are limited for girls. Buu Vien street is overpriced. Vietnamese girls are beautiful. Just not many who work on bars or massage places in District 1 or the other Districts. I did see a 9 in Da Nang but I couldn't ask for extras because I was with a girl. Freebies. Forget about it but then again being an expat and learning the language of any country may get you places.
Japan, Singapore, Seoul, HK. If you have to ask how much rent is you likely don't want to pay it, not unlike myself. Spent 6 months Spring to Fall, 2019 in HK, Japan, and Seoul. Luckily 2020 was a virus write off because I'm still licking my wounds on how much it costed me. Freebies? Unlikely for a gaijin. Food is delicious and reasonably priced in all countries though if that matters.
Not on your list. Jakarta. Maybe 10 visits since 2016. Beautiful girls. Dirt cheap. Hardly any English by most. Freebies? Too cheap to waste time to try getting Freebies. May be difficult because girls are under strict guard by their mamasans. Food is awful other than mall restaurants. I'm sure you can find cheap rent here but if you want something nice you will pay for it.
Internet is cheap and fantastic in all countries I have mentioned. A quick Google search will direct you to the best ISP in each country.
Of course all this is pre COVID. Post COVID will be completely different on where is the best value to look for girls.
Mr Enternational
02-13-21, 17:11
Possible answers:
- Thailand, as I think it's the best quality / cost ratio. How much would I need per month to live there, on average? It's the free pussy game still possible or the pay has taken over?
- Vietnam, pro / cons? Internet should be good, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Philippines? Internet most likely very bad, should be cheap, not sure about pay / free pussy?
- Other? (Cmabodia, Laos, etc. Or maybe some big cities such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Shangai, Macao, Taipei, etc.).Thailand hands down. Even my friends that live in big $800/month houses budget $3000/month. My rent is only 4500 baht in South Pattaya, but if I ever retire then I will move into a 10,000 baht place in Jomtien where you get more for your money. I mostly cook or go to cheap places to eat. There are places that you can eat ribs for 150 baht and places where you can eat ribs for 600 baht. You can go to KFC for 150 baht, or you can eat fried chicken on the corner for 10 baht each piece. Pick your own poison.
I have never had a problem getting free chicks although I do not necessarily seek it out. I just meet people and it falls into place like that. There is so much to keep me busy in Thailand that there is never a dull moment.
If not Thailand, then I would be back in South America. My list in particular order is Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Peru.
Vietnam I visited 4 cities over 10 days. Not a place I have to go back to, although it is very clean and one of the best countries I have been to. People are very nice. Everything was centered on the war. I like chicks with shapes and that is not Vietnam.
Philippines dirty, overcrowded, and most are airheads. So if you need stimulating companionship you will be hard pressed to find it there. I was on a flight from Manila to Bangkok in first class on Philippine Air. I asked the lady for Grand Marnier and pineapple juice. When I got my drink it did not have Grand Marnier in it. When the lady came by I handed her my glass and said I asked for Grand Marnier and pineapple. She said sorry sir we do not have pineapple juice. No idea what she thought she was holding in her hand if it was not a glass full of pineapple juice.
Cambodia, Laos? No fucking way. Just look in those threads and see how many posts there are from people that live there. For me Asia is Thailand or bust.
P. S. My cousin lived in Malaysia because his wife was from there. He hated it. It is very prejudice and Islamic (no open fun). My cousin's wife went out to look for a new apartment for them. When they found out she had a little Black kid, they would not rent her the apartment. I have been there twice: once for tourism and once for scuba diving. Sipidan is in my top 5 places to dive. If I ever go back to Malaysia then it will be for diving.
YetAnotherGuy
02-13-21, 21:43
I am getting my 2nd Moderna shot this week and I am flying to Brazil in roughly 45 days. I realize I am taking a risk. But I don't care if I am wrong about the efficacy of the vaccine or my luck just runs out. I am not going to lose another year to this virus.Congratulations! I think you'll be in good shape to go. From what I've read, your chance of getting Covid will be <= 5%, and your chance of getting a serious case will be around 0%. Of the known cases where a vaccinated person has become infected, virtually all were asymptomatic or had mild cases. Good luck!
Member #4698
02-13-21, 22:22
Congratulations! I think you'll be in good shape to go. From what I've read, your chance of getting Covid will be <= 5%, and your chance of getting a serious case will be around 0%. Of the known cases where a vaccinated person has become infected, virtually all were asymptomatic or had mild cases. Good luck!Thanks, it was a great relief to get that 2nd dose over with although my arm really hurt the following day. But other than that, there were no side effects and the nurse said it will take another 2 weeks to reach the maximum point of the vaccine's immunity.
I am going to have a great time in Brazil. After all, it has been over 18 months since I left SE Asia and I have a lot of pent-up energy and excess cash to spend. 555. The Brazilian girls are going to love me, and I am going to love them. Ha! I will post my trip reports over in the RF and SP forums.
And I am still hoping to return to BKK and Pattaya in October if the Thai Government lets me come back otherwise, I may just fly back to Brazil in the fall.
Thailand hands down. Even my friends that live in big $800/month houses budget $3000/month. My rent is only 4500 baht in South Pattaya, but if I ever retire then I will move into a 10,000 baht place in Jomtien where you get more for your money. I mostly cook or go to cheap places to eat. There are places that you can eat ribs for 150 baht and places where you can eat ribs for 600 baht. You can go to KFC for 150 baht, or you can eat fried chicken on the corner for 10 baht each piece. Pick your own poison.
I have never had a problem getting free chicks although I do not necessarily seek it out. I just meet people and it falls into place like that. There is so much to keep me busy in Thailand that there is never a dull moment.
If not Thailand, then I would be back in South America. My list in particular order is Brazil, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Peru.
Vietnam I visited 4 cities over 10 days. Not a place I have to go back to, although it is very clean and one of the best countries I have been to. People are very nice. Everything was centered on the war. I like chicks with shapes and that is not Vietnam.
Philippines dirty, overcrowded, and most are airheads. So if you need stimulating companionship you will be hard pressed to find it there. I was on a flight from Manila to Bangkok in first class on Philippine Air. I asked the lady for Grand Marnier and pineapple juice. When I got my drink it did not have Grand Marnier in it. When the lady came by I handed her my glass and said I asked for Grand Marnier and pineapple. She said sorry sir we do not have pineapple juice. No idea what she thought she was holding in her hand if it was not a glass full of pineapple juice.
Cambodia, Laos? No fucking way. Just look in those threads and see how many posts there are from people that live there. For me Asia is Thailand or bust.
P. S. My cousin lived in Malaysia because his wife was from there. He hated it. It is very prejudice and Islamic (no open fun). My cousin's wife went out to look for a new apartment for them. When they found out she had a little Black kid, they would not rent her the apartment. I have been there twice: once for tourism and once for scuba diving. Sipidan is in my top 5 places to dive. If I ever go back to Malaysia then it will be for diving.Including other than SEA.
Banana Boi
02-14-21, 07:47
Can you do a paragraph on Malaysia too please? I always trust your judgement. Thanks 😊.There were 2 main spots to hobby in Kuala Lumpur. Beach Club and Thai Club. Neither great but something to do in KL when you're on business there. One of the clubs shut down permanently a couple of weeks ago. Many Vietnamese girls but not hot like those you can find at Orchard Towers in Singapore. Hottest girl I ever saw at these clubs was a Thai girl. I would never go there to hobby. Decent clean city and good food. Not much to do, Indians very accepted in clubs for any Indians reading this.
Crocodilexp
02-14-21, 14:00
Can you do a paragraph on Malaysia too please? I always trust your judgement. Thanks 😊.Not they guy you asked, but I have some Malaysia experience. Kuala Lumpur is great, cheaper than Bangkok for virtually everything except alcohol. Food is great and cheap, never rented an apartment, but with decent hotels for $20/ night (roughly half the Bangkok price), it can't be too much. 90-day stays without a visa are a big benefit too.
Expat-oriented PFP bars are limited and expensive, but there used to be plenty of local spots where you could get a quickie for as low as 30 RM (250 baht), though typically 50-100 RM on the low end and 200 RM midrange (one and done service). That wouldn't even get you the entry fee at an expat place. Plenty of variety to choose from at the low end: mostly Vietnamese, PRC and Indonesian but also Indian, Bangladesh, even had a Sri Lanka-Australian mix once. Very few local Malaysians women for PFP, oddly, but they exist.
This was all during normal times, nobody knows where it would settle after Covid.
I get a sense that dating / freebies wouldn't be as easy as Thailand or Indonesia, as "good girls" in Malaysia often stay within the bubble of their own ethnic group, but it can't be too hard either.
Congratulations! I think you'll be in good shape to go. From what I've read, your chance of getting Covid will be <= 5%, and your chance of getting a serious case will be around 0%. Of the known cases where a vaccinated person has become infected, virtually all were asymptomatic or had mild cases. Good luck!https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14045628/covid-patient-reinfected-south-african-variant/
Mutant strain Covid patient reinfected with South Africa variant in fighting for life in hospital.
Ben Hill.
14 Feb 2021,12:42 Updated: 14 Feb 2021,15:02.
A COVID patient who was reinfected with the South African variant is fighting for his life in hospital.
The 58-year-old man with a history of asthma caught the variant four months after recovering from Covid-19 in France, according to the Clinical Infectious Diseases journal.
Congratulations! I think you'll be in good shape to go. From what I've read, your chance of getting Covid will be <= 5%, and your chance of getting a serious case will be around 0%. Of the known cases where a vaccinated person has become infected, virtually all were asymptomatic or had mild cases. Good luck!https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some
Loose Cannon
02-14-21, 20:40
The latest intel on Covid vaccines is not good for any 3rd world country. (And eventually for all of us).
1) most developed countries will certainly hold the vaccines for their citizens to be vaccinated first before mass distribution to 3rd world countries.
2) the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are problematic for 3rd world countries because of storage and shipping issues. (They require specialized deep freezers ex. Pfizer vaccines must be kept under -70 degrees, anything above that and its only good for 24 hrs after).
3) because most 3rd world countries won't get their shots finished perhaps for years, this will allow a lot of time for mutant variants to develop and spread that no current vaccine can stop.
Things are not looking good for planet earth.AstraZeneca Vaccine mass produced in India can be stored in regular refrigerator freezer. These can be supplied to countries that does not have facilities to store in cryogenic freezer. They are cheaper as well. The mass production capacity is the biggest. Some SEA countries, Brazil, mexico have already received a batch of the vaccine.
The data available right now is not enough to produce vaccine that can take this disease to eradication level. It is too soon to expect that.
On a side note, third world countries are countries that are neither aligned to US and their allies nor to the communist block of countries such as erstwhile USSR, China. Third world countries are not necessarily impoverished as made out to be. India is a third world nation in the sense it is not aligned to US, west or Russia but is definitely not impoverished and has modern facilities in certain sectors comparable to so called first world countries.
LC.
LittleBigMan
02-15-21, 02:10
From reading the articles being quoted the cases being cited are not coming from people who have gotten the vaccine. Yes we are talking about the unknown but in these cases, people who already had the virus the chances or length of reinfection might depend on how severe the first case?
On a side note, third world countries are countries that are neither aligned to US and their allies nor to the communist block of countries such as erstwhile USSR, China. Third world countries are not necessarily impoverished as made out to be. India is a third world nation in the sense it is not aligned to US, west or Russia but is definitely not impoverished and has modern facilities in certain sectors comparable to so called first world countries.
LC.While that was the definition 30+ years ago. Now its kinda up to the point of view of the speaker. The majority of Indians don't even have access to a toilet, so I would definitely call India a 3rd world country. In SEA Burma and Cambodia definitely are, Thailand is definitely above them in terms of development and infrastructure.
AstraZeneca Vaccine mass produced in India can be stored in regular refrigerator freezer......I've noticed India's covid cases have declined significantly.
From reading the articles being quoted the cases being cited are not coming from people who have gotten the vaccine. Yes we are talking about the unknown but in these cases, people who already had the virus the chances or length of reinfection might depend on how severe the first case?Another factor would be the type of exposure or "virus load". Not all exposures are the same. But the Israel experience has been a very low infection rate in people who have been vaccinated (. 1% This is more than enough to cause the spread rate to drop below the point where the virus will die out (herd immunity). Also even without the vaccine the virus will not last forever. Despite the fear porn in the media these virus strains never last forever. Covid causes 15% of the common cold in a normal year and has been infecting humans for thousands of years. I find it interesting that some scientists now believe some previous bad flu outbreaks before the ability to identify the virus identification could have been Covid miss-identified as flu. Stay safe.
PedroMorales
02-15-21, 17:33
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
I seem to be the only one on Planet Earth who is not an expert on everything to do with Covid. According to the above link. Israel has 10 or so times more infection than Germany. The British PM was talking about herd immunity this time last year. Most are, of course, part of a herd, unable to think. Vaccines / DNA alterers have been rushed into people without the necessary checks and balances. Bill Crappy Software Gates and Tony War Criminal Blair endlessly expound that livestock must take the jab.
The epidemiology experts have been proved wrong time and again on this. Not because they do not know but because they are heavily invested in vaccines and the companies that make them.
Whatever happened to all those Chinese dropping dead? Are Italian churches still packed to the rafters with coffins and rotting corpses? When do services resume?
There is a pandemic, more virulent than flus, which have disappeared. If you eat well, do not liv e with poor people or in an old folk's death home, you should be fine. Wake up and smell the pussy.
Another factor would be the type of exposure or "virus load". Not all exposures are the same. But the Israel experience has been a very low infection rate in people who have been vaccinated (. 1% This is more than enough to cause the spread rate to drop below the point where the virus will die out (herd immunity). Also even without the vaccine the virus will not last forever. Despite the fear porn in the media these virus strains never last forever. Covid causes 15% of the common cold in a normal year and has been infecting humans for thousands of years. I find it interesting that some scientists now believe some previous bad flu outbreaks before the ability to identify the virus identification could have been Covid miss-identified as flu. Stay safe.
Loose Cannon
02-15-21, 21:07
I've noticed India's covid cases have declined significantly.I am seeing that many in India are less vigilant than they were 6 months ago. There are lots of people roaming around without mask and social distancing is difficult to implement. Only good thing is that the recovery rate is good. Maybe something to do with the non exposure to the newer variant or maybe something to do with the food or climate or genes.
Let's hope the current situation improves. Can't wait to travel.
LC.
Loose Cannon
02-15-21, 22:10
While that was the definition 30+ years ago. Now its kinda up to the point of view of the speaker. The majority of Indians don't even have access to a toilet, so I would definitely call India a 3rd world country. If you still think India to be a land of snake charmers and doom temple priests or what is shown in slumdog millionaire you are living under some rock. India is a third world country in the correct definition of the term by non aligning to US or communism. Calling India a third world country in a condescending tone shows your ignorance or false arrogance. You are out of tune with world order.
Majority of Indians not having access to toilet? That may have been the situation 30+ years ago. 30+ years ago when free flowing water was available in plenty, people did their business near rivers and washed up. That was a much cleaner way of cleaning up, much more hygienic that your two ply extra soft tissues. Now that waters are drying up and considering safety for women the government has campaign against open defecation and has built multiple toilets. Before government built, there were community toilets. Also, when did toilets become year sticks of sort. Some other ars'e will next say he thinks Thailand should be considered a third world countries because they are a lady-boy driven economy or France should be third world country because they don't speak English. Laughable these pompous fools are.
LC.
LittleBigMan
02-16-21, 01:51
I for one consider Thailand to be 3rd world country not because a few months ago I spend a month up at my wife farm after a week I replace the toilet and brought my mother in law into the 21st century.
What blinds everyone and the reason they come is for that pussy, Thailand has many model conveniences for all to see that make them an emerging nation but underneath their leadership thinking is still 3rd world.
PedroMorales
02-16-21, 03:08
Not looking for an argument, only information. Toilet paper is geared to flush down toilets and disintegrate, if the plumbing is "first world". SE Asian toilets often have inferior plumbing and so a bucket is used. Western high or medium rise apartments often have the same problem with water pressure.
My question is Indians and other washing their bum. How is that hygienic? How can you nip out of your clothing shop, have a crap, wash your ass and go back to measuring up your customer? What if you live in a village and have a high fiber diet like I do?
Back in the time of Louis XIV, guys would just drop their pants and crap all over Versailles Palace. So India was not unique.
But what is with bathing your bum? What are we missing?
Japan, prior to the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 ish, had awful or no plumbing and many died of diseases. The Japanese are now gone the other extreme. The Chinese have used their no 2 as fertiliser for thousands of years. Sweden imports the stuff "for fertiliser".
Thank you for your indulgence. I am all ears even though I am on Team Toilet Paper (or banana leaves in a push).
If you still think India to be a land of snake charmers and doom temple priests or what is shown in slumdog millionaire you are living under some rock. India is a third world country in the correct definition of the term by non aligning to US or communism. Calling India a third world country in a condescending tone shows your ignorance or false arrogance. You are out of tune with world order.
Majority of Indians not having access to toilet? That may have been the situation 30+ years ago. 30+ years ago when free flowing water was available in plenty, people did their business near rivers and washed up. That was a much cleaner way of cleaning up, much more hygienic that your two ply extra soft tissues. Now that waters are drying up and considering safety for women the government has campaign against open defecation and has built multiple toilets. Before government built, there were community toilets. Also, when did toilets become year sticks of sort. Some other ars'e will next say he thinks Thailand should be considered a third world countries because they are a lady-boy driven economy or France should be third world country because they don't speak English. Laughable these pompous fools are.
LC.
India is a third world country in the correct definition of the term by non aligning to US or communism. Calling India a third world country in a condescending tone shows your ignorance or false arrogance. You are out of tune with world order.Two thirds of Indians live in poverty. 68.8% live on less than $2/ day, over 30% live on less than $1. 25/ day. I'd call that third world country standards. Oh, and yes, I've been to India 11 times and travelled extensively throughout the country for work.
https://www.soschildrensvillages.ca/news/poverty-in-india-602
GoodEnough
02-16-21, 08:39
Two thirds of Indians live in poverty. 68.8% live on less than $2/ day, over 30% live on less than $1. 25/ day. I'd call that third world country standards. Oh, and yes, I've been to India 11 times and travelled extensively throughout the country for work.
https://www.soschildrensvillages.ca/news/poverty-in-india-602Having worked there unhappily years ago, I would have to agree. India's per capita GDP ranks number 180 in the world and is approximately $2,104, making it a "middle income," country in the lexicon of development. By contrast, the Philippines, where I live, ranks 158 with a per capita GDP of slightly more than $3,400, and yet by any reasonable definition is a third world country.
There's no hard and fast definition of third world, and the more politically correct term now would be "developing country," but by my standards India has a very long way to go. I couch my definition in terms of quality of and access to education, gender equality, access to quality health care, quality of infrastructure, percentage of the population living in poverty, average life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality rates per 100,000 population and percentage of children living at or below the poverty lines. Using these criteria, India surely qualifies.
GE.
Franciscass
02-16-21, 12:09
Having worked there unhappily years ago, I would have to agree. India's per capita GDP ranks number 180 in the world and is approximately $2,104, making it a "middle income," country in the lexicon of development. By contrast, the Philippines, where I live, ranks 158 with a per capita GDP of slightly more than $3,400, and yet by any reasonable definition is a third world country.
There's no hard and fast definition of third world, and the more politically correct term now would be "developing country," but by my standards India has a very long way to go. I couch my definition in terms of quality of and access to education, gender equality, access to quality health care, quality of infrastructure, percentage of the population living in poverty, average life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality rates per 100,000 population and percentage of children living at or below the poverty lines. Using these criteria, India surely qualifies.
GE.Excellent post on what development means. If I may I would add rule of law, independent judiciary, press freedom, level of corruption, access to opportunity. A more debatable perhaps more contentious issue is whether it is a true democracy and whether human rights are constitutionally guaranteed.
Four people in Oregon contract Covid-19 after receiving both doses of vaccine.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/four-people-oregon-contract-covid-185954081.html
Health officials in Oregon are investigating four cases where people contracted the coronavirus after receiving both doses of the vaccine.
The symptoms of the four individuals range from asymptomatic to mild, Oregon's Health Authority said in a release on Friday.
"We are working with our local and federal public health partners to investigate and determine case origin. Genome sequencing is underway, and we expect results next week. " the agency said.
These individuals were referred to as "breakthrough cases" because they got sick with the novel virus at least 14 days after receiving the second dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.
The Health Authority said that such cases were not "unexpected" during the pandemic. "Clinical trials of both vaccines presently in use included breakthrough cases. In those cases, even though the participants got Covid-19, the vaccines reduced the severity of illness," the agency said.
Two of the cases were discovered in Yamhill County, and two others are in Lane County. Local health officials were now looking to determine the origin of these cases to provide the public with more information.
PedroMorales
02-16-21, 14:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kodphRkAc
Here is an Isaan lady finding a new use for rice straw. Her granny is better looking than most Pattaya hookers and harder working too. Work like this would be good for the go go girls who have lost their jobs but it would entail work and the starfish lot have an aversion to that. It is a shame bright ladies like her lack the finances to make a go of projects such as this but I guess it is the same the world over.
Banana Boi
02-16-21, 16:31
Looked at the 3 lists on Wikipedia.
Thailand ranks 77,82, 83.
India 142 on all lists.
Japan 22,27, 27.
South Korea 26,31, 31.
Against my stereotypical viewpoint, I had thought Irish people were poor yet they rank 3, 5, 5. Higher than USA, England, Germany, Singapore on all charts. Guess I should have worked in Ireland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Mr Enternational
02-16-21, 23:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8kodphRkAc
Here is an Isaan lady finding a new use for rice straw.Thanks for that interesting piece of education.
Hello guys!
This is kind of a general post / discussion, but I guess I'll start from this regional forum as it would be my first choice destination.
As pretty much all of us, I'm stuck in this pandemic sh*tshow and looking forward to be travelling again, as I've always done for the past 10 years. I'm a long time world traveller, and in terms of mongering I've been in Asia / Africa / Latin America, always trying to be off the beaten path. It's been fun, but as I get older I guess I am a bit less adventurous, not to mention that due to pandemic a lot of places will be a no-go for a pretty long time.
Let me get to the gist of this post: I am reaching the fuck-you-money that will allow me to leave my full time job, with the aim to start travelling and be free again. I hope that by the end of this year we'll be allowed to traver to Asia again, which I think it will recover much earlier than Latin America and Africa for many reasons.
It's thailand and the choice is barely a choice. Its the only realistic option unless you have some special circumstance that makes a place particularly attractive, like having family or friends in an area or, I dunno, but it seems like that's not a thing for you.
Thailand is quite reasonably priced, western enough, and modern. The P4 P scene is easily the best in Asia, if not in the world, even with all of the naysayers and old timers. In Asia nothing else even comes close, particularly for the price. If you could afford to be banging supermodel escorts, you wouldn't be asking about Thailand on ISG. Plus I mean, you're in Thailand and there's plenty to do and see. Thailand is really the gem of the mix with a lot of stuff going on at a great price, English is spoken, tons to do, and killer girlie scene. Plus so many westerners and places catering to westerns to make transitions easy. If it matters, Thailand is also of course very safe and stable (even with the recent political unrest). On cost -- yes its cheap, but expect to pay much more than you think. You'll be on the upper end of estimates, then break it. You can eat cheap food all day or get a cheap ass apartment-- but you won't, and it all adds up. This kinda goes for all over of course, but thailand in there's cheap and a big(er) gap to the next level
Vietnam is interesting, but if you're looking for a sex scene, that's not a thing there anything like Thailand or a mongering spot. It exists for sure, but it ain't built up as an industry in thailand and likely never will be due to the govt. Vietnam is cheaper of course, but it would better for a fund trip or like a 3 month stay than actually living there. Cambodia or Laos is just a no and we don't need to go further than that. Philippines would only be an option if there as something special about the Philippines to you, otherwise its simply a bad option compared to being in Thailand on every level, a bit shitty, dirty, overcrowded and hectic.
I will say for thailand though, if you're interested in the sex scene, it means you live in Bangkok or Pattaya most likely. Ko Samui or Phuket could work (Phuket sucks balls though), if you want to be in the south. Chiang Mai, in the north, which is an awesome city, doesn't really have much of a scene. Bangkok has an MP or two on like every soi of sukhumvit with attractive girls that are willing to do anything you want for 2500 baht, with ease like you're walking into McDonalds and ordering a Big Mac meal. Thats a god damn rare commodity. The old days of the all you can fuck FKKs in Germany are kinda the only value comparison, but most of those were an absolute ***** to get to. In Bangkok you open your door and you're there, then you eat at a great restaurant, have a beer and everything is good.
Loose Cannon
02-16-21, 23:40
My question is Indians and other washing their bum. How is that hygienic? How can you nip out of your clothing shop, have a crap, wash your ass and go back to measuring up your customer? Indian Food are generally Spicy. It tastes good when you eat, but what happens the next day morning? Your butt-hole is on fire. What cools best? Water or TP?
Indian or Asian toilets are mostly squat and do. The indian Attire (both men and women) allows clothes to be tucked easily to keep them from getting wet. The squat will also force people to complete the activity quickly. No browsing cell phones in that position. The position also best suits natural bowel movement. The squating position makes it easy to wash without soiling the cloth as the clothes are already above waisteline. The water falls into the bowl after cleaning the A-hole.
Your tailor must have lifted his garments, taken a crap, washed up with his left hand and later washed up his hands with soap, dried his hands and came back to take your measurement mostly using his right hand. Indian thought process says Left hand (Mostly non-dominant hand), to be used for unclean activities washing up after toilet, pick up some dirty stuff like dust bin. Right hand (Mostly dominant), used for clean activities including eating, greeting, receiving or giving money or things as a show of respect.
Which cleans better? Water of TP? If TP cleans better why not wash vessels with TP? Why not use tp to clean your face without using water. TP may still leave a thin film of excreta matter around your bum hole. It may just spreads it around and putting more pressure to clean up may hurts your delicate parts. Water makes it squeaky clean. Before, Indians mostly use their non dominant hand to clean and also wash their hands after toilet, now they use bidets / faucets. Also, For most Indians its psychological that without water their toilet routine is never complete. A modern indian uses the water to clean and TP to dry. Personally, the first thing I normally do when I check the hotel pics is to confirm if the toilet has faucets. I have also never understood the rush to buy toilet paper before the pandemic. Anyway, To each, his own.
What if you live in a village and have a high fiber diet like I do?
In a village in India, you will not find a toilet paper roll in shops. Your high fiber content food also ensures that there is decent traffic in your lower interstine. You should be more careful about the hygine of your spot where the sun does not shine.
The Americans have given Biden a chance, You can give the water Bidet a chance. Your bum hole may thank you. Don't be shy, try it once.
LC.
Not looking for an argument, only information. Toilet paper is geared to flush down toilets and disintegrate, if the plumbing is "first world". SE Asian toilets often have inferior plumbing and so a bucket is used. Western high or medium rise apartments often have the same problem with water pressure.
My question is Indians and other washing their bum. How is that hygienic? How can you nip out of your clothing shop, have a crap, wash your ass and go back to measuring up your customer? What if you live in a village and have a high fiber diet like I do?.Not looking to argue either my friend but ever heard of washing your hands after you use the bathroom, whether you used toilet paper or just water? That's why they have sinks and soap dispensers in the toilets. It's not as if when you use toilet paper you can now start serving customers at the local mcdonald's.
The measuring your customer comment was hilarious though, I couldn't stop laughing at that one.
Excellent post on what development means. If I may I would add rule of law, independent judiciary, press freedom, level of corruption, access to opportunity. A more debatable perhaps more contentious issue is whether it is a true democracy and whether human rights are constitutionally guaranteed.Interesting stuff! I guess the poster who said it depends on the point of view of the speaker was on to something. To you point though, I've been to Dubai, very modern place. Can't out my finger on why I still think it's a third world country, probably a combination of what you mentioned.
PedroMorales
02-17-21, 00:18
https://www.insider.com/are-bidets-are-healthier-than-toilet-paper-2019-8
I have used squat toilets in Thailand and elsewhere after a hooker showed me the drill. Toilets, squat or otherwise, can be hard if you don't know hot to operate. I have been on squat share diving boats with no toilet paper and I cannot see how that could be clean or tidy.
Toilet paper is the only product designed to disintegrate in the sewage. Kitchen paper, wet wipes etc are all bad ju ju. Ditto condoms and tampons which women flush down.
I cannot see bidets working in modern societies. Yes, the bum is the garbage area out back and lumps do get left there. But there is a price to pay for everything.
How would you explain food poisoning, the infamous Delhi Belly?
Some conventions are good: the Eastern habit of taking shoes off indoors, eating dogs and so on but modern Western society has a different beat. Left hand, right hand, too confusing. Modern plumbing would set the pace a lot.
As regards spicy food, that is to kill bugs. It is the same in all hot countries. There are Nigerians who eat an almost all fiber diet. Fresh market for toilet paper there.
Hoarding is an interesting thing. Symptoms of a weak society, I think. That said, I am well stocked in toilet paper. It is the simply the way I shop.
Food for thought at least. Most of us are tourists, no matter how long we stay. The worst offenders are those who pretend to understand Buddhism or ways their people were not raised with. I guess bum washing is beyond me, unless I changed dress codes and much else as well.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Food for thought.
Indian Food are generally Spicy. It tastes good when you eat, but what happens the next day morning? Your butt-hole is on fire. What cools best? Water or TP?
Indian or Asian toilets are mostly squat and do. The indian Attire (both men and women) allows clothes to be tucked easily to keep them from getting wet. The squat will also force people to complete the activity quickly. No browsing cell phones in that position. The position also best suits natural bowel movement. The squating position makes it easy to wash without soiling the cloth as the clothes are already above waisteline. The water falls into the bowl after cleaning the A-hole.
Your tailor must have lifted his garments, taken a crap, washed up with his left hand and later washed up his hands with soap, dried his hands and came back to take your measurement mostly using his right hand. Indian thought process says Left hand (Mostly non-dominant hand), to be used for unclean activities washing up after toilet, pick up some dirty stuff like dust bin. Right hand (Mostly dominant), used for clean activities including eating, greeting, receiving or giving money or things as a show of respect..
Loose Cannon
02-17-21, 01:28
Two thirds of Indians live in poverty. 68.8% live on less than $2/ day, over 30% live on less than $1. 25/ day. I'd call that third world country standards. Oh, and yes, I've been to India 11 times and travelled extensively throughout the country for work.
https://www.soschildrensvillages.ca/news/poverty-in-india-602You have quoted a website which is enticing you to donate. Will you donate if you are told only 30% are below poverty line. Yes 30% is huge and the 225 million people under poverty line as designated by World Bank strengthens your case. I am no finance expert, but what is not being considered is that Cost of living in India is pretty low. $2 in rural India is comparable to $20 in rural Germany? How you may ask, It is because food and other essentials cost much less. I argue that only if you pull up the rural indian and transpose him to rural Germany and expect him to survive with that $2 he earned and spend it on german living, it will be an unfair ask. Put him in India where his requirements are locally met, he would not be that badly off. Basic facilities and necessities are subsidised for the poor in India. Also Indians have a money saving mentality. They try to save for a rainy day and do not blow away their money as soon as they get it.
Having worked there unhappily years ago, I would have to agree. India's per capita GDP ranks number 180 in the world and is approximately $2,104, making it a "middle income," country in the lexicon of development. By contrast, the Philippines, where I live, ranks 158 with a per capita GDP of slightly more than $3,400, and yet by any reasonable definition is a third world country.
There's no hard and fast definition of third world, and the more politically correct term now would be "developing country," but by my standards India has a very long way to go. I couch my definition in terms of quality of and access to education, gender equality, access to quality health care, quality of infrastructure, percentage of the population living in poverty, average life expectancy, infant and maternal mortality rates per 100,000 population and percentage of children living at or below the poverty lines. Using these criteria, India surely qualifies.
GE.
Looked at the 3 lists on Wikipedia.
Thailand ranks 77,82, 83.
India 142 on all lists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capitaAll the above are factually correct. Lets see another perspective.
Education:
India has one of the highest number of graduates coming out of technical colleges. Cost of Education is less. Students are not burdened with Student loans unlike in USA. His salary after getting the job will help his family getting out of poverty. In India, parents sponsor their kids education and when the kid starts earning, they support their parents during their old age. So if one person in the family breaks the shakle of poverty and gets out, the entire family is generally pulled out. Indians also send back money if working abroad.
Health care:
Government hospitals are poor, but almost every town has one or more hospitals run by some charitable organization or some temples or godman provides medical facilities at very affordable rates. Cost of Laser Eye surgery using the latest equipment in one such organization is less than $500 both eyes and cost of one dialysis session is less than $20. Which developed country can afford to give it at such costs. Obamacare has ensured that a person with throat infection can be billed $28000. How is Indian hospitals able to afford to stay in business? India does it by using its biggest so called weakness. Population. Like a wholesaler, these hospitals cater to more than 10 k patience per month? I am not exagerating. Consultation fees are less than 1 dollar and the extra is only the medicines in most cases of routine checkups. They also don't order unnecessary scans. No corporate intervention thankfully. The entire district / county is covered. Your access to high quality hospitals is covered here. India is getting known for its cost effective medical treatment and is on of the largest medical tourism destination.
India is also the largest supplier of generic medicines / vaccines. USA wanted HCQ to stem covid during initial period. Boom, it arrived from India. Moderna, Pfizer behind schedule producing vaccines, but India has already shipped multiple countries. The tier one countries have booked the vaccines and only thinking about themselves. India is sending free vaccine to others along with supplying their own front line workers.
We are not even talking about Indias space capabilities. This is not your regular "Third World Country" waiting for freebies from First world countries. Developing country yes. Need to take care of its own more, Yes. Is it in track? Definitely yes. Will it meet the Western standards of First World status, Never, Not our style. Ultimately, India has a problem of plenty. This problem has allowed it to have its required facilities and amenities while maintaing a low cost of living. These GDP, PPP all may sound good in paper, not scalable to the population of India or most of SEA. It only helps another opportunist to open up a website and collect your donation. You must be aware that almost all big NGO spend 70% of their funds on their corporate maintenance and only 30% reaches the intended target.
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/india-has-highest-number-of-people-living-below-poverty-line-world-bank/story/238085.html
http://cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-health-care-routine-doctor-visit-for-a-sore-throat-results-in-a-28000-medical-bill/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-sends-22-9-mn-doses-of-covid-19-vaccines-to-20-countries-more-in-pipeline-101613142400644.html
Why are we even discussing this. Gosh.
LC.
Education:
India has one of the highest number of graduates coming out of technical colleges. Cost of Education is less. Students are not burdened with Student loans unlike in USA. His salary after getting the job will help his family getting out of poverty. In India, parents sponsor their kids education and when the kid starts earning, they support their parents during their old age. So if one person in the family breaks the shakle of poverty and gets out, the entire family is generally pulled out. Indians also send back money if working abroad.
Sadly it also has a very corrupt education system. We've all seen the photos of parents outside of exam rooms pushing the answers into the rooms. I've worked with plenty of Indian graduates and I have doubted how some of them actually graduted. This is not just confined to India though, I've come across this elsewhere. I think it's even becoming an issue in Western countries that have turned higher education into a business. I've heard of lecturers in Australia being pressured to not fail students because the uni makes too much money from overseas students. In one case I heard about, a lecturer wasn't allowed to fail a student who couldn't speak English very well but was studying a Master fo Englist Lit!
HorseTrader
02-17-21, 05:20
I've worked with plenty of Indian graduates and I have doubted how some of them actually graduted. I have worked directly with several Indian graduates, most were educated in USA. They ranged from among the worst I've ever seen to among the best. Very much like you would find with any other nationality.
I've heard of lecturers in Australia being pressured to not fail students because the uni makes too much money from overseas students. In one case I heard about, a lecturer wasn't allowed to fail a student who couldn't speak English very well but was studying a Master fo Englist Lit! I confirm that this is correct.
PedroMorales
02-17-21, 09:34
The basic issue here is entitled Western marshmallows losing out to Indian mongers and responding with their usual racism or personal anecdotes.
India is almost 20% of the world's population. Microsoft, Ericson and so on use Indian engineers extensively, so if they don't have any great problem, why should entitled Westerners, who come from countries with their own extremes of wealth and poverty?
There is also Western imperialist superiority complexes which shine through here. They really think they are God's gift.
Indians, in general, move to a different beat but so do many others. They come, in big numbers, to Thailand on their own budget and with their own friends to do things their way. Westerners see themselves losing out to them.
The SOS site you cite seems to be as big as mcDonald's. I regard them and others as big scam jobs full opf folk with dubious attitudes to kids. Show me an NGO big wig and I will show you a scammer and / or a sex pervert.
During the tsunami, India said it did not need help and its blue water navy (which China did not then have) was sending aid abroad, to the Maldives, Sri Lanka etc. Still, Western gangster NGOs were collecting funds "to send to India".
You have quoted a website which is enticing you to donate. Will you donate if you are told only 30% are below poverty line. Yes 30% is huge and the 225 million people under poverty line as designated by World Bank strengthens your case. I am no finance expert, but what is not being considered is that Cost of living in India is pretty low. $2 in rural India is comparable to $20 in rural Germany? How you may ask, It is because food and other essentials cost much less. I argue that
LC.
Cambodia or Laos is just a no and we don't need to go further than that.Cambodia is great Man, don't be so categoric. And Khmer girl are very lovely.
Etaoin2003
02-18-21, 18:11
If I couldn't keep track of which hand was my left, I probably wouldn't be pointing it out.
LittleBigMan
02-19-21, 02:27
The basic issue here is entitled Western marshmallows losing out to Indian mongers and responding with their usual racism or personal anecdotes.
India is almost 20% of the world's population. Microsoft, Ericson and so on use Indian engineers extensively, so if they don't have any great problem, why should entitled Westerners, who come from countries with their own extremes of wealth and poverty?
There is also Western imperialist superiority complexes which shine through here. They really think they are God's gift.
Indians, in general, move to a different beat but so do many others. They come, in big numbers, to Thailand on their own budget and with their own friends to do things their way. Westerners see themselves losing out to them.
The SOS site you cite seems to be as big as mcDonald's. I regard them and others as big scam jobs full opf folk with dubious attitudes to kids. Show me an NGO big wig and I will show you a scammer and / or a sex pervert.
During the tsunami, India said it did not need help and its blue water navy (which China did not then have) was sending aid abroad, to the Maldives, Sri Lanka etc. Still, Western gangster NGOs were collecting funds "to send to India".I being a minority have no problems with people coming to the USA Legally and that includes Indians when it comes to the tech world particularly in Silicon Valley the use of H1 B visa is being abused by companies like Google claiming a shortage of train tech workers from the USA Currently these Tech companies make up something like 40% if not more. What started as something good turn out to be more with wages although they are trained there is clearly a bias in the hiring practice with the use of these visas, whenever a politician brings up the number all their lobbyist go to work. I'm not sure your assessment of western imperialist superiorty complex is proper since it can apply to many countries I think your bias against the USA Is what is shining a bit here.
I being a minority have no problems with people coming to the USA Legally and that includes Indians when it comes to the tech world particularly in Silicon Valley the use of H1 B visa is being abused by companies like Google claiming a shortage of train tech workers from the USA Currently these Tech companies make up something like 40% if not more. What started as something good turn out to be more with wages although they are trained there is clearly a bias in the hiring practice with the use of these visas, whenever a politician brings up the number all their lobbyist go to work. I'm not sure your assessment of western imperialist superiorty complex is proper since it can apply to many countries I think your bias against the USA Is what is shining a bit here.When compared to the Indian outsourcing companies that pay less and also take a cut at the same time, it is difficult to see how Google abuses the system when the pay is $100 K+. These companies don't pay engineers based on their visa type.
LittleBigMan
02-19-21, 11:38
When compared to the Indian outsourcing companies that pay less and also take a cut at the same time, it is difficult to see how Google abuses the system when the pay is $100 K+. These companies don't pay engineers based on their visa type.That is where you are dead wrong! Have you been to Silicone Valley where companies like Google are based? I was born and raised in S. F. Have many nephews and nieces working in the tech world a few use to be with Google and Microsoft many left for other smaller startups. You go wait outside some of these larger techs and it is like Little India 100,000 doesn't buy you anything in this area or in S. F. In 2016, I needed to return to S. F. To care for my mother our family building is located in prime real estate our neighbors were all transients from India renting rooms in a house for 2000 USD each share bath and kitchen. Each morning the Google Bus would put up at the corner and take them to work which was an hour away.
Based on what these companies are making they should be paying much more but these H1 B visas so many have diluted the pay scale it is like a sweatshop then you have the leaders who average 500,000 plus. After my mother enters a senior care facility the family put the building on the market two weeks later we got 3 offers all over 4 million USD, the building was brick built-in 1896 with no foundation, and needed a half-million in upgrades. Six months later it was turned into a 12 room rental spread over 3 floors with a shared kitchen and bath on each floor. Each room rented for 2500 a month and there was a waiting list prior to the pandemic. The Google bus driver a Teamster makes 60,000 USD and sleeps in a mobile traitor in the parking lot.
Yes, hundred plus grand is a lot of money but the pay should be much higher the visas have diluted the pay scale to a point the entry jobs are paid less and will stay that way until the visas number are reduced tough to believe with the number of people in this country that they can't find enough homegrown takers for these jobs. These jobs aren't like picking fruits in Central Valley in California because Americans don't want the jobs. Should it be any surprise that few of the CEO is Indian? I'm not bashing Indians it's the way the game is played and sadly Americans are losing.
That is where you are dead wrong! Have you been to Silicone Valley where companies like Google are based? I was born and raised in S. F. Have many nephews and nieces working in the tech world a few use to be with Google and Microsoft many left for other smaller startups. You go wait outside some of these larger techs and it is like Little India 100,000 doesn't buy you anything in this area or in S. F. In 2016, I needed to return to S. F. To care for my mother our family building is located in prime real estate our neighbors were all transients from India renting rooms in a house for 2000 USD each share bath and kitchen. Each morning the Google Bus would put up at the corner and take them to work which was an hour away.
Based on what these companies are making they should be paying much more but these H1 B visas so many have diluted the pay scale it is like a sweatshop then you have the leaders who average 500,000 plus. After my mother enters a senior care facility the family put the building on the market two weeks later we got 3 offers all over 4 million USD, the building was brick built-in 1896 with no foundation, and needed a half-million in upgrades. Six months later it was turned into a 12 room rental spread over 3 floors with a shared kitchen and bath on each floor. Each room rented for 2500 a month and there was a waiting list prior to the pandemic. The Google bus driver a Teamster makes 60,000 USD and sleeps in a mobile traitor in the parking lot.
Yes, hundred plus grand is a lot of money but the pay should be much higher the visas have diluted the pay scale to a point the entry jobs are paid less and will stay that way until the visas number are reduced tough to believe with the number of people in this country that they can't find enough homegrown takers for these jobs. These jobs aren't like picking fruits in Central Valley in California because Americans don't want the jobs. Should it be any surprise that few of the CEO is Indian? I'm not bashing Indians it's the way the game is played and sadly Americans are losing.I can be dead wrong when we are talking about go go bars in Pattaya. This is a complete opposite case. The tech worker shortage is real. That is why so many engineers are hired a year before their graduation.
How many Indian managers or CEOs have you worked with in the valley?
You know an engineer can get offers from multiple large companies at the same time, right? I don't know how large companies manage to all collude together so they all can underpay engineers and not be competitive while there is a shortage when they can afford it like you stated.
One can rent a one bedroom for that amount in South Bay. Right now, a newly built 3 bedroom with security can be rented for under $3 K in the city. Unless someone like the city life, there is no good reason to live farther, and pay more for less in the city and take gbus to work.
How Americans are losing when H1B visa holders are paying taxes here and eventually become permanent residents. Or do you think just outsource the jobs offshore like manufacturing is better?
Explorer8939
02-20-21, 02:26
Apparently, there are bars in Thailand with ladies working there who are eager to please.
On February 22, the authorities will decide whether to loosen restrictions on bars imposed due to COVID-19.
Apparently, there are bars in Thailand with ladies working there who are eager to please.True, but you'll either need to be really drunk, or do some serious sorting, depending on your taste.
Hopefully it officially opens up soon.
Walking down Soi 4 at night now is surreal, compared to pre-covid.
LittleBigMan
02-21-21, 07:19
That surprises me. After reading dozens of your poorly written posts I had assumed you grew up outside the United States and English was not your mother tongue.
I realize that many gentlemen who normally would be in Thailand at this time of year are not there now. So I expect some diminution in the ISG signal-to-noise ratio. But tedious debates over American immigration policy and anecdotes about the real estate market in the bay area are well and truly off topic. Can we get back to discussing the approved subjects please?Harsh language coming!
The best thing you can do for your racist ass is to not read the fucking reports if it doesn't live up to your standards! Remember since you write so well maybe you can try your best to comprehend the rules that writing and spelling aren't a priority! Second, who died and make you the moderator and what is supposed to be " off Topic or not " in a general thread. Like the majority, we post if quoted I respond and give my opinion this isn't a writing contest you obviously as smart as you want people to think you are can't seem to understand that simple fact. As bad as my writing you understood every word of it so that doesn't say much for yourself! But guys like you can't help themselves the closet racist you are comes out! The conversation had ended it was something like 2-4 post silence from the two of us was to end agree to disagree until you stuck your foot in your mouth!
See I'm really more American than you think although I don't write well that doesn't stop me from writing or expressing my opinion. It wasn't because the system didn't provide me with an opportunity to have one I just didn't know it at the time and it didn't help when I started down the wrong path when started it took a while to get back on track. See, when I started going to middle school outside of Chinatown with my cousins the short route was going through the Irish and Italian neighborhood at the park we got stopped and pick on and our lunch money was taken. My cousin rain or shine took the long route I gave them my lunch money each day stubbornly I continue to take the short route although I fought and got off a few good punches I got jumped so each day I showed up to school late and bloody the teachers / principal knew what was happening although I never snitched knew.
One day I got a hold of my older brother pellet gun loaded when stopped like each day before I pull it out I saw white boys run so fast and jump the leader got it right in the face close range when he went down I unloaded the clip on him and stomp on his hands for good measure. Just happen the prick father was a cop for the SFPD in Juvenile court the judge gave me 60 days said if I apologize he would reduce the sentence I basically said go fuck themselves.
So this was a start for me down the road and the court system as a 1st generation Asian and most family members speaking at home native tongue kids like me with low grades due to many reasons were placed in ESL classes the rest of my school life once in tough to get out. Do I blame the system No do I blame the white kids No it was really on me! I know my shortcomings heard it from fuckers my whole life from guys like you growing up " go back to where you came from, correcting grammar and pronunciation when they don't like someone or what is being said they always head in that direction. In spite of people like you, I'm still here standing and talking just like America taught me. In spite of all my shortcomings academically and record I was able to right the ship a bit and finish school, go to City and State college to get a degree.
Saying what you said if you expect me to hide and put my head in the sand feel embarrassed and run and not post you have missed something here! There is a reason I use the handle LBM how I got that is for another time on the general thread. In the end, I will post whatever I like whenever I like within the guidelines of the forum and if you don't like it then use the ignore button like in general as what most cowards like you do on the internet. You opened a can or worms now I will be watching you slip prepare to fall curious " what is the approved subject of a general thread "?
My apologies to all the other members whether I agree or not particularly to the ISG Moderators I'm not trying to be argumentive but I feel if someone got the balls to call me or anyone out then they deserve a response!
I have worked directly with several Indian graduates, most were educated in USA. They ranged from among the worst I've ever seen to among the best. Very much like you would find with any other nationality.I have to agree with this (mostly if referring to India).
I also worked with many Thais with my job at home and in US contract jobs. And maybe its just bad luck that the bunch I worked with are all lazy asses just wanted to be paid and not really giving a shit about the quality of their jobs. What's worse is they would take shortcuts and do inferior work that others had to put in extra time to fix. So, unfortunately the Thais I worked with in the past (about 30 of them) range from bad to really terrible. And if you are wondering why they were not fired for slacking off or simply not doing their jobs correctly, they were ALL union workers. From what I understand it, its difficult, if not impossible to fire them. Just my experiences as yours could differ if you were luckier than me.
I think it's even becoming an issue in Western countries that have turned higher education into a business. I've heard of lecturers in Australia being pressured to not fail students because the uni makes too much money from overseas students. In one case I heard about, a lecturer wasn't allowed to fail a student who couldn't speak English very well but was studying a Master fo Englist Lit!This is indeed shocking and hope its not true.
I can't imagine giving out degrees to totally incompetent idiotic grads. Maybe I don't care as much if its business degree or accountants but to pass someone for Any medical degrees or structural engineer, that can potentially kill Or harm many people?
PedroMorales
02-21-21, 10:33
Even though they break the rules with their long and labourious posts, the main thing is sloth. They are too lazy to make an effort to express themselves clearly. On line hookers do a much better job. Also, they have nothing else going on in their lives and think we have to hear about what plucky heroes they were back in the 1930's with Shirley Temple, Mickey Rooney and the others Boyztown was named after.
True, but you'll either need to be really drunk, or do some serious sorting, depending on your taste.
Hopefully it officially opens up soon.
Walking down Soi 4 at night now is surreal, compared to pre-covid.
LittleBigMan
02-21-21, 12:11
I have to agree with this (mostly if referring to India).
I also worked with many Thais with my job at home and in US contract jobs. And maybe its just bad luck that the bunch I worked with are all lazy asses just wanted to be paid and not really giving a shit about the quality of their jobs. What's worse is they would take shortcuts and do inferior work that others had to put in extra time to fix. So, unfortunately, the Thais I worked with in the past (about 30 of them) range from bad to really terrible. And if you are wondering why they were not fired for slacking off or simply not doing their jobs correctly, they were ALL union workers. From what I understand it, its difficult, if not impossible to fire them. Just my experiences as yours could differ if you were luckier than me.I wonder whether to check with Bunky before responding since he has a list of topic that feel belongs in the general thread or whether the topic could be anything as long it is well written to suit him? Oh well, fuck him.
I'm a Union man the reason with my background I could get a decent paying job even with my half-ass BA degree. I made a living being in the Union (private sector) the last 20 I had a dual role and that was a Lead and Union Chairman for a number of cities on the West Coast. When I was first hired I was a rare breed but I was no slacker because of my work ethic many more follow I was asked constantly when an opening came up do you know any family or friends? I joked you know homegrown Asian like me working in labor are rare those like me screw up in school. When it comes to Unions (my experience and opinion) it is the management and supervisor who don't know the contract and how it ties into company policy the reason I never lost a case in arbitration even when I hated the Union member who I was helping. In virtually all hearings my defense was the supervisor didn't follow company policy in disciplining the employee once that happens it is monkey see monkey do. Basically, many supervisors play favorites and if you keep your eyes and ears open it goes on daily.
When I became Union Chairperson of my station I also was a Lead basically a supervisor but I'm a member of the Union. I pretty much laid the law down and that included the other Leads first and foremost it was to take care of the company and customer first. I already knew who the labor fakers were hiding behind the Union for years my first duty was to request all their employee files I was doing this to head off and save their jobs before they got in trouble. I wasn't popular with management nor with many of my own members but my goal was to come to work every day for the company instead of spending hours on Union business defending a bunch of losers giving the Union a bad name. I believed in serving the company first by doing so if they profit means more jobs for guys like me who screw up their life. Years later the stations assigned to me had no employee problems.
In spite of not being able to write well, I wrote a few hundred grievances and the arbitrator had no problem reading the arguments. I know laziness comes in all colors and sizes but from my experience especially in labor, the majority of them happen to be white many of my supervisors, managers I've worked under had it all on paper they couldn't carry anyone's jockstrap. Sadly many that got let go after 9/11 head TSA in the West coast.
LittleBigMan
02-21-21, 12:36
This is indeed shocking and hope its not true.
I can't imagine giving out degrees to totally incompetent idiotic grads. Maybe I don't care as much if its business degree or accountants but to pass someone for Any medical degrees or structural engineer, that can potentially kill Or harm many people?Since I'm on a roll let me continue breaking the Bunky rule of posting off topics! I agree 100%, as an Asian American who can't write well enough but have a view to present. First, during my time it wasn't hard to stay in school especially if you needed to do it to stay out of the draft then it was Vietnam. I could have taken a Union job straight out of High School or learn a craft but that meant Vietnam. So I went to school work the system took whatever credits I could to qualify to stay out if it meant 6 bowling classes and required GE classes I did it one day I found myself this close to obtaining a BA, I switch to another major got myself a sheepskin roll up paper even on the honor roll my last year.
Although being Chinese American our education system is brought and paid for by the CCP, twenty years back a professor friend who I play Basketball with quit his job at a major University the reason he just couldn't play along with the Dean wishes since it was receiving huge donations from the CCP, taking meant the Dean was allowing more and more Chinese students with poor English and writing skills to enroll my professor friend felt these students were holding all the other back because he has to spend more time to keep them up to speed. Today this is going on all over the country with the money being donated I wouldn't be surprised degrees are being handled out and although I can't write for shit I think this is totally wrong especially if it is medical or if it hurts others.
As for myself, I spoke and understood as well as any American I wasn't holding anyone up in English and I wasn't training to be a doctor or engineer but I became a hell of a bowler I average 203 and had two 300 games and more 289's than I can count of two hands.
This being said years back I was at Bangkok / Pattaya hospital checking out a procedure I saw on the walls of the department profile and certification of the Doctors many printed trained in the USA For this or that procedure I picked one when I went in for the consultation as you all know I like to mess with people heads so since he was trained in the USA Their English must be pretty good? Now I speak much better than I write and like all Americans to Americans conversation we talk fast so that is exactly what I did. Now some of the classes I took at State was speed reading, reading faces, and body language the look on the Doctor face he had no idea what I just said that is when you know they weren't trained in the USA Today with the Internet with their limited English can take seminars but really trained because if they can't even understand how is it possible they could travel to the USA Or West and attend?
HorseTrader
02-21-21, 21:21
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows
This is the first real indication that I've read regarding disease transmission via vaccinated people. The news is good, at least for people who got the Pfizer vaccine.
If this data stands after being peer reviewed, that would be good reason for Thailand to fully open for those who have received the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna uses the same vaccine concepts as Pfizer, so good chance that will have similar results. Hopefully all vaccines will show low transmission from asymptomatic people.
Explorer8939
02-22-21, 13:36
The CCSA has reportedly relaxed rules concerning sales of alcohol in Thailand. The official report comes tomorrow.
The CCSA has reportedly relaxed rules concerning sales of alcohol in Thailand. The official report comes tomorrow.Walked by one of the nightclubs on Soi 11 today at lunch and saw what looked like workers prepping it for re-opening.
I think the perspective here is a bit narrow. Everyone says Thailand 15 years ago was so much better. I dunno I was in Thailand a couple years ago and I remember making out with girls and even fingerblasting in the bars them for the price or a girl drink (5 usd ish?) before any talk of bar fining them. If it were really that much cheaper before, I feel like that chalks up to more of a win for Thailand and its economy than it is a loss for tourists. Granted it's not dirt cheap to bring a beautiful girl back to your hotel and fuck all night and again in the morning, but how cheap should such a great service really be? It's still usually significantly less than a half hour with an escort and a CBJ in North America who you don't even get to see before booking, you're going off some touched up photos with blurred out faces. And a lot of it has to do with the dollar value, but I guess it's all relative.
Let's not forget that the main reason that sex tourism exists is because of inequality in the world. If I have to spend a bit more because the playing field is being slightly more leveled, I'm ok with that. And don't get it twisted, I'm a looong way from being a weekend millionaire you guys are referring to. This conversation sounds to me a little bit like if Apple started complaining that Chinese iPhone factories started asking for $1.50 an hour instead of $1.00. I'm also not trying to take some moral high ground. If you pay what someone asks, you're not doing anything wrong in my book, you're supporting them, and you're not responsible for whatever global scheme botched their currency value. But anyway I see people amazed at how little some girls ask while also complaining about mechanical service as if they're completely unrelated. And then you're going to complain that some people pay more than others because you're raising the expectations for everyone. Dude, you get what you pay for. Sorry if wanting a good session is fucking with the market equilibrium or whatever.
Another big reason for sex tourism is the lower class proclivity to give birth more than the upper class, thus creating more people with fewer opportunities. Not saying that all prostitutes are desperate and have no other opportunities in life, but at the very least they need some way to pay for college as they can't rely on some trust fund. Regardless of their motives or how much they like or hate the work or if they could do something else if they wanted to bad enough, fewer opportunity = more sex workers. As far as I can tell the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the middle class get pushed down, but that hasn't changed the fact that poor people still love making babies. For every new sex tourist there's at least one more girl turning 18 who doesn't want to work minimum wage to pay for school. But with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, it makes me think that I might not always be in a position to afford this lifestyle. So I'm not too worried about those at the bottom wanting a slightly larger portion of scraps, I'm concerned with staying in a position where I can accommodate those inflating numbers. So basically you just got to stay on your grind and see life as the competition that it is.
The CCSA has reportedly relaxed rules concerning sales of alcohol in Thailand. The official report comes tomorrow.It looks like they just published it today and looks like the change is effective today, 22 February. (Source in Thai: http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2564/E/041/T_0071.PDF).
I still don't understand the control zone silliness (I. E. From "Orange" to "Yellow" and having that extra one hour of being open). But ok; whatever.
So a place like Pattaya "officially" gets one more hour, and BKK gets to "officially" allow some bar-type entertainment and boozing to happen again until 11 pm; "officially".
Mr Enternational
02-22-21, 19:12
Granted it's not dirt cheap to bring a beautiful girl back to your hotel and fuck all night and again in the morning, but how cheap should such a great service really be? It's still usually significantly less than a half hour with an escort and a CBJ in North America who you don't even get to see before booking, you're going off some touched up photos with blurred out faces. What does what is going on in North America have to do with what is going on in Thailand? How much should such a great service really be in a country like Thailand where the minimum wage is $10/day? 1 day's wage? 2 days' wage? 1 week's wage? A BMW 3 series costs $85,000 in Thailand. In North America it costs $42,000.
Banana Boi
02-23-21, 04:36
A BMW 3 series costs $85,000 in Thailand. In North America it costs $42,000.Ridiculous pricing on buying cars in Thailand, not to mention a very small selection of cars to pick from. I remember when Iconsiam opened 2 years ago. I saw a Mini John Cooper Works there. I thought ok I will look at buying a small cheap car to putt around Pattaya. I almost fell to the ground when the girl told me it was over 4 million baht. That's over $130,000 US!
Ridiculous pricing on buying cars in Thailand, not to mention a very small selection of cars to pick from. I remember when Iconsiam opened 2 years ago. I saw a Mini John Cooper Works there. I thought ok I will look at buying a small cheap car to putt around Pattaya. I almost fell to the ground when the girl told me it was over 4 million baht. That's over $130,000 US!That seems to be normal pricing in Asia. Try buying the same car in China or Japan and I'm sure it will be similar in price, if not more.
There are a lot of heavy duties for imported vehicles and parts in Asian countries, which help drive up the cost (not the only reason). Additionally, Mini Cooper is a BMW brand, which people here are willing to pay a premium for (status symbol).
Banana Boi
02-23-21, 06:07
That seems to be normal pricing in Asia. Try buying the same car in China or Japan and I'm sure it will be similar in price, if not more.No idea for China since I never looked at importing cars from there but I know that Malaysia and Hong Kong are pretty reasonable countries to buy a used car. That's where I concentrated in my search. There was a 1 year old BMW 5 series for under 30 k USD when I was looking to import 2 years ago. Hong Kong was similar in pricing. I didn't pull the trigger since duty in to Thailand was almost the price of the car.
In Japan I would just buy domestic Japanese cars. Think I would buy a Supra there. Only saw 1 in Thailand.
Houston Player
02-23-21, 06:16
No idea for China since I never looked at importing cars from there but I know that Malaysia and Hong Kong are pretty reasonable countries to buy a used car. That's where I concentrated in my search. There was a 1 year old BMW 5 series for under 30 k USD when I was looking to import 2 years ago. Hong Kong was similar in pricing. I didn't pull the trigger since duty in to Thailand was almost the price of the car.
In Japan I would just buy domestic Japanese cars. Think I would buy a Supra there. Only saw 1 in Thailand.The only value for consumer autos in Thailand are pickup trucks. They are not subjected to the heavy import duties and taxes. You can buy a pickup for the same price as the US and some non-American brands even cheaper. I've never owned a pickup but if I was going to purchase an automobile in Thailand it would be one of the 4 or 5 passenger pickups.
It looks like they just published it today and looks like the change is effective today, 22 February. (Source in Thai: http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2564/E/041/T_0071.PDF).
I still don't understand the control zone silliness (I. E. From "Orange" to "Yellow" and having that extra one hour of being open). But ok; whatever.
So a place like Pattaya "officially" gets one more hour, and BKK gets to "officially" allow some bar-type entertainment and boozing to happen again until 11 pm; "officially.If you're expecting things to make sense, you're in the wrong country LOL.
I'm just happy bars can open again.
No idea for China since I never looked at importing cars from there but I know that Malaysia and Hong Kong are pretty reasonable countries to buy a used car. That's where I concentrated in my search. There was a 1 year old BMW 5 series for under 30 k USD when I was looking to import 2 years ago. Hong Kong was similar in pricing. I didn't pull the trigger since duty in to Thailand was almost the price of the car.
In Japan I would just buy domestic Japanese cars. Think I would buy a Supra there. Only saw 1 in Thailand.Yeah I'm not sure what used car pricing goes for.
However, brand new foreign brand cars are expensive in mainland China. I've priced out a few different brand of SUV's both in mainland China, and Japan. Was much higher than in the states.
Although as another poster noted, pickup trucks in Thailand could be different. You see a lot them here, but I haven't priced any out.
Ford assembles the Ranger over in it's Rayong plant though.
LittleBigMan
02-23-21, 13:16
It all comes down to if there isn't a factory in Thailand there is going to be an import duty on it. When it comes BMW depending on the model and series if it has a factory in Thailand making a specific model then it will avoid the duty which can range 30-40% more. When it comes to the Mini Cooper there isn't the same with Volkswagon you want a Beetle it is going to cost you even in the gray market.
As for Toyota same if it isn't made here like the Supra it is considered an Import same with the Lexus. If you are looking for a small vehicle to run around in Pattaya travel as far as Bangkok, I suggest one like the Suzuki (the one that looks like a Mini Cooper) a Toyota Yaris, even the MG, the motors are like 1. 2 CC these little cars run for like 560,000 and have lots of go and loaded with all the bells and whistles.
My first vehicle here because of my wife Yaris 2006,1. 5 runs and runs still like new with 115,000 never broken down or need emergency service.
As for a Truck got a new one in late 2018, of course, Toyota although I went to the car show and saw all the models I was tempted with the Ford anything vehicle American I will never take a chance again. I checked into shipping my Jeep (Hemi) over but after long research not ever heard anyone with a success story decided against it. I got a pretty good truck Hilux E plus with 2. 4 l, 4 door Auto 7 Speed, list at 899,000 all the extra added after several dealerships finally got one down to 859,000 out the door. Great truck.
As for used, you got a better chance in Bangkok nearly all Pattaya dealerships don't sell used but they do in Bangkok and some provide warranties with them. As for prices, it seems in Pattaya there are a number of lots I venture to look at regularly out of interest they basically work for the banks and repo cars due to nonpayment, they run through the vehicles shine them up, etc provide a 30-day warranty even finance but the prices seem to be based on how much is left payment prior to repo? Many times I've seen two same models vehicle one had more miles and went for more this is the same with used motorbikes.
...but that hasn't changed the fact that poor people still love making babies....Rich people have many avenues for pleasure. The only pleasure for poor people is sex. Besides poor people have less knowledge of and access to birth control. Furthermore, a baby means an additional farm hand in 10 years.
Franciscass
02-25-21, 12:27
Trying to do 90 day online. Getting this.
"Failure of Web Server bridge:
No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent."
LittleBigMan
02-25-21, 16:01
Trying to do 90 day online. Getting this.
"Failure of Web Server bridge:
No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent."From reading another website today the online system is down, it was reported also particularly at the Jomtien office 90 day reporting was a mess due to some computer breakdown?
What does what is going on in North America have to do with what is going on in Thailand? How much should such a great service really be in a country like Thailand where the minimum wage is $10/day? 1 day's wage? 2 days' wage? 1 week's wage? A BMW 3 series costs $85,000 in Thailand. In North America it costs $42,000.Well, to start, I would point out that "what is going on" as you put it, is more important than where it's going on. In a perfect world a person could move freely from country to country offering the same service without worrying about their income changing drastically. Which is why the point I was making was that sex tourism is directly related us not living in a perfect world, or as some would call it, income inequality. Your car argument is not really a great comparison to sex work because these car manufacturers clearly have a formula for how to optimize their sales globally. If they charged the same in Thailand that they charge in America for their cars, they wouldn't make as much money because fewer people would buy them. Women who are selling themselves typically don't have the option to relocate to whatever country they can get the best deal, or the ones that do have no interest in relocating because they're already in a good spot. Another reason why it's not a good comparison, or at least it doesn't bring clarity to the discussion, is because it only costs twice as much in America, and according to your numbers, minimum wage is less that 10% of what it is in America.
Anyway I meant to post this in the a different forum because that's where the conversation was happening but I won't name it because people in that forum already seem disgruntled about the growing popularity of it, but that's the page I've been checking. I assumed the mods deleted it until I realized it was posted here. I don't want to pretent like I'm an economist and I can explain exactly why the prices are what they are, but I just wanted to try and move the conversation past the idea that people who are willing to pay a bit more so that the service provider will be happy and thus try to make them happy too, are somehow ruining it for everyone.
Rich people have many avenues for pleasure. The only pleasure for poor people is sex. Besides poor people have less knowledge of and access to birth control. Furthermore, a baby means an additional farm hand in 10 years.I agree with most of what you said and I don't think it contradicts what I was saying. I wasn't trying to disparage poor people for making babies, just trying to tie it into the bigger picture of why sex work is cheaper in poorer countries. The one thing I would disagree with, or at least challenge, is the notion that birth control is for the rich. Condoms are cheap, and given out for free in many countries. And despite what we all learned in sex-ed, the pull-out method works pretty well. I'm just saying it's a more complicated problem than birth control costing money.
Franciscass
02-26-21, 09:31
From reading another website today the online system is down, it was reported also particularly at the Jomtien office 90 day reporting was a mess due to some computer breakdown?Thanks for that. Checking further it seems they didn't renew their security certificate which expired on 21st. Got to love how it works here or doesn't. Day to day admin of immigration policy really needs be given to a private outfit. Thailand 4.0. Will be interesting. Just need to remember to top up those expired certs.
Member #4698
02-26-21, 14:41
A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2073187/thailand-mulls-waiving-quarantine-for-vaccinated-tourists.
Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.
Mr Enternational
02-26-21, 20:45
Your car argument is not really a great comparison to sex work because these car manufacturers clearly have a formula for how to optimize their sales globally.There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? Afterall, you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.
There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? After you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.
Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?
HorseTrader
02-26-21, 22:12
A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2073187/thailand-mulls-waiving-quarantine-for-vaccinated-tourists.
Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.
This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.And we'd need herd immunity or approaching it before these clowns would get this implemented.
This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.
Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?If you look at costs of living comparisons from one country to another, there is pretty wide variance from one thing to another. It's never going to be a perfect science.
But even if you're not saving money proportionate to what you would be with the rest of cost of living expenses, you're still saving money, especially if you make your stay long enough. It more than pays for the flight, not to mention the money you save on the rest of the cost of living expenses like food. And you're also getting a vacation out of it, even if you're just there for the sex, you're getting more than that.
But even all those things aside, take money out of the equation, and you're still comparing apples to oranges when you compare sex work in your home country, moudly apples to Valencia oranges for most of us at that. I live in Canada where options are significantly better than most parts of the states and it still doesn't hold a candle to places like Thailand or Brazil or a dozen other countries I could name. The novelty of just having more options and experiencing the liberated ways they're presented is night and day compared to how it's done here. So yeah saving money is nice but it's far from the only thing.
This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.
There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.
They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.
Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.
Shifting millions of tourists maybe hard with large numbers of long haul out of service and ready to be scrapped in the breakers yards in Arizona. Airlines would need some full planes especially with 1st class and business class for big profits as low class shows little to no profits to hire more staff again.
There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.Elderly people should not kiss their grandchildren even if they have received a second dose of a coronavirus vaccine, an expert claimed today.
Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee of Vaccines and Immunisation (JCVI), said it may not be safe to break social-distancing rules even after having two doses.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Professor Harnden was asked by a listener whether he was allowed to kiss his school-age grandchildren, with the JCVI deputy chair replying: "no".
"You need to be really careful and remember that even after the second dose of vaccine it's not necessarily 100 per cent effective," he said.
"At the moment, we still need to be cautious and obey the rules and I don't think kissing grandchildren is allowed".
Professor Harnden added that while the vaccine offers protection against severe disease, how much protection it offers overall still remains unknown.
"Well it'll offer you very good protection against severe disease and hospitalization but we don't know yet how much protection it'll offer against asymptomatic infections," he said.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vaccine-expert-don-t-kiss-110237435.html
HorseTrader
02-27-21, 14:29
There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.That's the best news possible!
Even if Thailand immediately allowed vaccinated tourists to return without restrictions, it will take time before the network of hotels, restaurants, tours, transportation and other tourism support can be revived. Then there is time required for the tourists to get vaccinated. Not to mention that most of us won't want to return until many of our favorite venues are full of girls and lively.
The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.
They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.
Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.France, Italy and Germany decided that despite being approved in Europe that there was insufficient data for the vaccines effectiveness for the over 65's, well that's changed with studies coming out from Scotland showing that the AZ vaccine had reduced hospitalisations by 94% in general and 81% for the 80+. So now they have to backtrack and that's going to take time and this has damaged confidence in the vaccination program. Survey's from 6 months ago showed that the french were reluctant to be vaccinated no matter how effective they were proved to be.
Mutations have to be monitored to see what effect they have, some will weaken the virus and others strenghen it, it's been found time and again that some mutations will stop a virus from causing illness and many have faded away due to mutations. A small number (out of 6,000) recent covid19 mutations are worrisome as they are more infectious spread faster but cause the same level of illness not make it worse. Oxford and others have stated that they can modifiy their vaccine to counteract this and are currently lab testing this.
No vaccine is ever 100% effective, most are approved if found to have an effectiveness greater than 50% and you can see the reports that these are a lot better. There is a very clear indication here that these vaccines almost eliminate deaths in a large population, reduce the severity of illness and reduce the transmission.
Elderly people should not kiss their grandchildren even if they have received a second dose of a coronavirus vaccine, an expert claimed today.
Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee of Vaccines and Immunisation (JCVI), said it may not be safe to break social-distancing rules even after having two doses.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Professor Harnden was asked by a listener whether he was allowed to kiss his school-age grandchildren, with the JCVI deputy chair replying: "no".
"You need to be really careful and remember that even after the second dose of vaccine it's not necessarily 100 per cent effective," he said.
"At the moment, we still need to be cautious and obey the rules and I don't think kissing grandchildren is allowed".
Professor Harnden added that while the vaccine offers protection against severe disease, how much protection it offers overall still remains unknown.
"Well it'll offer you very good protection against severe disease and hospitalization but we don't know yet how much protection it'll offer against asymptomatic infections," he said.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vaccine-expert-don-t-kiss-110237435.htmlOne got to wonder what these so called vaccines are effective for except probably for changing our DNA.
No vaccine is ever 100% effective, most are approved if found to have an effectiveness greater than 50% and you can see the reports that these are a lot better. There is a very clear indication here that these vaccines almost eliminate deaths in a large population, reduce the severity of illness and reduce the transmission.Yeah, guys, people are going nuts complaining about effectiveness.
Early vaccines are often 50% efficacy and the belief was that if we got our first covid vaccines at that rate it would be awesome and sufficient to get everything back to normal and stop the spread. 70% was a big goal but they didn't think they'd get there for a bit. Then the first two vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) were an incredibly bonkers 95% and no deaths. Like, that's wild. Blew every expectation out of the water. The J&J which was just approved in the US is at least 70%, no deaths and no hospitalizations, and the Astrazenca one is around there too but seems it may need further evaluation. Even the Russian made one is thought to be close to 70% or so (although it looks like this one needs a lot more research and they have supply issues).
HorseTrader
02-28-21, 18:23
Yeah, guys, people are going nuts complaining about effectiveness.The chunky 45 year old freelancer with shitty attitude can get your rocks off, but not too many punters want her when there is a 25 year old hottie with great attitude just a few feet away. The 65% vaccine can help you and our society if everybody gets it, but not too many people want it when a 95% vaccine is available.
One got to wonder what these so called vaccines are effective for except probably for changing our DNA.Your DNA has already been changed. Eating GMO foods changes your DNA. Most Americans eat GMO foods on a regular basis. Many in Latin America and the Far East too.
The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.
They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.
Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.34% of Germans say they do not want to be vaccinated.
France, Italy and Germany decided that despite being approved in Europe that there was insufficient data for the vaccines effectiveness for the over 65's, well that's changed with studies coming out from Scotland showing that the AZ vaccine had reduced hospitalisations by 94% in general and 81% for the 80+. So now they have to backtrack and that's going to take time and this has damaged confidence in the vaccination program. Survey's from 6 months ago showed that the french were reluctant to be vaccinated no matter how effective they were proved to be.
Mutations have to be monitored to see what effect they have, some will weaken the virus and others strenghen it, it's been found time and again that some mutations will stop a virus from causing illness and many have faded away due to mutations. A small number (out of 6,000) recent covid19 mutations are worrisome as they are more infectious spread faster but cause the same level of illness not make it worse. Oxford and others have stated that they can modifiy their vaccine to counteract this and are currently lab testing this.Thanks for sharing.
There has been some very positive news coming out recently re vaccinations. In my area health experts have expressed optimism for a return to normal there by this summer:
"By the time we get to the summer, we're going to be in a different place. In the coming months, we're going to be able to do all those things that we have been missing for the last year," Henry said Tuesday."
https://globalnews.ca/news/7668751/coronavirus-british-columbia-vaccine-rollout-phase-2/
"BC accelerates timeline for first vaccine doses.
All eligible adults should get 1st dose by end July; over-80's, Indigenous people over 65 can book this month.
Also on Monday, the province announced it is extending the time between first and second doses of COVID-19 vaccine to four months. The change, as well as Health Canada's approval of a third vaccine, means every eligible person in BC will receive the first dose of their vaccine by mid- to late July.
Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said data from the BC Centre for Disease Control and countries around the world such as the United Kingdom and New Zealand shows "miraculous" protection of at least 90 per cent from the first dose of a Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
She said the National Advisory Committee on Immunization is expected to issue a statement to align with BC's decision, which frees up 70,000 doses for younger age groups.
"This is amazing news," said Henry. "These vaccines work, they give a very high level of protection and that protection lasts for many months."
"This gives us a very real and important benefit to everybody here in BC," Henry added. "That means we can move everybody up the list and more people will be protected sooner."
The newly authorized AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine will also accelerate BC's overall vaccine timeline, possibly bumping front-line workers up the queue. The province expects to receive its first shipment likely 60,000 doses on the week of March 9.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-immunization-plan-covid-1.5931543
Hopefully Thailand will be making things much easier for tourists to visit the Land Of Smiles before the end of 2021.
In the Bangkok Post today, it was reported today that a consortium of Thai tourism industry organizations recommended that Thailand open to tourists beginning July 1st as long as the tourists have proof of vaccination cards, a Covid test within 72 hours of departure, and international health insurance.
For what it's worth, these international insurance premiums can be pretty high, albeit you only need it for the length of your stay. However, many of us travel to international destinations without any health insurance as our domestic policies generally do not cover international hospital visits, drugs, etc. If an unfortunate health event occurs, it can have devastating financial consequences so perhaps making sure you have adequate coverage is a good idea for all circumstances, not only Covid. The biggest cost can be a situation requiring that you return to your home country for treatment. These medivac transfer costs are enormous.
In the Bangkok Post today, it was reported today that a consortium of Thai tourism industry organizations recommended that Thailand open to tourists beginning July 1st as long as the tourists have proof of vaccination cards, a Covid test within 72 hours of departure, and international health insurance.
For what it's worth, these international insurance premiums can be pretty high, albeit you only need it for the length of your stay. However, many of us travel to international destinations without any health insurance as our domestic policies generally do not cover international hospital visits, drugs, etc. If an unfortunate health event occurs, it can have devastating financial consequences so perhaps making sure you have adequate coverage is a good idea for all circumstances, not only Covid. The biggest cost can be a situation requiring that you return to your home country for treatment. These medivac transfer costs are enormous. Great news on this! Hoping it works out!
On international health insurance-- it depends what they'll accept for that in this case, there are a lot of travel insurance services out there that have some pretty damn cheap rates for travel health insurance (which is sometimes part of a bigger package of insurance), its actually a good pickup for many people doing travel since the cost is often pretty low especially compared to if anything happens to you. I generally buy an inexpensive travel health insurance when I go abroad for a longer period, just not worth the hassle of not having it.
GettingFedUp
03-03-21, 05:44
On international health insurance-- it depends what they'll accept for that in this case, there are a lot of travel insurance services out there that have some pretty damn cheap rates for travel health insurance.The insurance requirement is for $100,000 of cover specifically for Covid. For "normal" health insurance policies as ever with Thai bureaucracy interpretation and enforcement seems to vary between Embassies and Consulates but the general principle is that the policy wording must explicitly state that this cover is included (so a lack of exclusion of Covid is not sufficient). I have heard tell of some missions accepting a letter from the insurer stating the cover is included although not specifically mentioned in the policy wording, others not doing so.
One nasty little catch-22 with using blanket health insurance for the Covid cover is if someone tests positive but is asymptomatic. In Thailand if you test positive you are going to hospital even if asymptomatic. That's just the way it is. Where there is a hospital there is inevitably a hospital bill. There are reports of international insurers refusing claims with the thought process of "If you didn't have symptoms then you didn't need hospitalization" leaving the unfortunate policy holder out of pocket.
With regard to the Covid specific insurance the Thai General Insurance Association (TGIA) has a web-portal where you can obtain a quote for it. Premiums for 90 days cover currently vary from THB 3,840 for "low risk" (my term) countries such as Australia to THB 12,160 for "high risk" countries (USA, UK, France etc.). For other countries you can look it up for yourselves. Hopefully as infection rates come under control in the outside world then countries will be reclassified into the lower premium levels. No, I am not on commission from them.
HorseTrader
03-03-21, 05:58
With regard to the Covid specific insurance the Thai General Insurance Association (TGIA) has a web-portal where you can obtain a quote for it. Premiums for 90 days cover currently vary from THB 3,840 for "low risk" (my term) countries such as Australia to THB 12,160 for "high risk" countries (USA, UK, France etc.).This does not seem too expensive. For travelers from high risk countries that's only 135 baht per day. Even if you buy a 90-day policy but only stay 30 days, its just 405 baht per day. If that covers my hospital bill for a false positive COVID test, I'm happy to have paid the money.
GettingFedUp
03-03-21, 06:02
In the Bangkok Post today, it was reported today that a consortium of Thai tourism industry organizations recommended that Thailand open to tourists beginning July 1st as long as the tourists have proof of vaccination cards, a Covid test within 72 hours of departure, and international health insurance.Thomasb,
This is another in a long line of proposals or recommendations from the tourism industry. They come up with a new one or rehashed previous one every month or so (remember the "Island Isolation" of Phuket, "Covid Corridors", bubbles and cuts in quarantine time.). So far the only ones that have gone through are Golf Quarantine which after months of debate has clocked up it's first visitors (about 30 of them) and a charter flight of assorted very wealthy people who rented an entire hotel at Cape Panwa, Phuket to serve their quarantine there rather than at an ASQ hotel.
Come 1st July less than half of the population will have had access to the vaccine even if the current timetable can be met. My view is the Government will continue with its hawkish view that the risk is not worth the rewards (and they and their cronies aren't big in tourism. They make their ill-gotten gains from other sectors such as infrastructure projects).
GettingFedUp
03-03-21, 06:59
This does not seem too expensive. For travelers from high risk countries that's only 135 baht per day. Even if you buy a 90-day policy but only stay 30 days, its just 405 baht per day. If that covers my hospital bill for a false positive COVID test, I'm happy to have paid the money.Other durations are available and from a quick glance the premiums seem roughly pro rata to duration so a 30 day policy from high risk countries is just under THB 5,000 and 60 days THB 8,600.
Franciscass
03-03-21, 07:24
Other durations are available and from a quick glance the premiums seem roughly pro rata to duration so a 30 day policy from high risk countries is just under THB 5,000 and 60 days THB 8,600.Premiums vary hugely based on age and length of stay and can be prohibitively expensive for those 70 plus. Assuming some form of rational thinking in immigration policy one would imagine that certified vaccinated visitors with consequent little or no risk of being hospitalized should not need specific Covid 19 coverage.
Mr Enternational
03-03-21, 14:35
In the Bangkok Post today, it was reported today that a consortium of Thai tourism industry organizations recommended that Thailand open to tourists beginning July 1st as long as the tourists have proof of vaccination cards, a Covid test within 72 hours of departure, and international health insurance.Unfortunately that is not saying anything. You could have written them 6 months ago and made the same recommendation and it would have carried the same weight. When you see it in the Royal Gazette, that is when you make your bet.
Yea, I agree that the tourism authority continues to come up with schemes to speed things along, yet nothing seems to happen. What caught my eye on this proposal was the PM said the Thai government would take a look at relaxing the Covid standards due to the extreme hit on the the overall economy. Of course, he could just be posturing and has no intention on relaxing policy in this regard. Sometimes, I think the government would prefer not to allow farangs in the country to the degree of the past decades or so in order to rid themselves of our 'corrupt' influences.
Thomasb,
This is another in a long line of proposals or recommendations from the tourism industry. They come up with a new one or rehashed previous one every month or so (remember the "Island Isolation" of Phuket, "Covid Corridors", bubbles and cuts in quarantine time.). So far the only ones that have gone through are Golf Quarantine which after months of debate has clocked up it's first visitors (about 30 of them) and a charter flight of assorted very wealthy people who rented an entire hotel at Cape Panwa, Phuket to serve their quarantine there rather than at an ASQ hotel.
Come 1st July less than half of the population will have had access to the vaccine even if the current timetable can be met. My view is the Government will continue with its hawkish view that the risk is not worth the rewards (and they and their cronies aren't big in tourism. They make their ill-gotten gains from other sectors such as infrastructure projects).
LittleBigMan
03-04-21, 02:03
Yea, I agree that the tourism authority continues to come up with schemes to speed things along, yet nothing seems to happen. What caught my eye on this proposal was the PM said the Thai government would take a look at relaxing the Covid standards due to the extreme hit on the the overall economy. Of course, he could just be posturing and has no intention on relaxing policy in this regard. Sometimes, I think the government would prefer not to allow farangs in the country to the degree of the past decades or so in order to rid themselves of our 'corrupt' influences.Although I live here I'm not a big fan of this guy or to be in general any of their leaders. My favorite name for him is " puppet man " that is exactly what he is! There are a number of political reasons why he was hand-picked leading and coming up with his own idea's I don't think is one of them.
As noted there is a lot of conversation going on about the fact that it is being brought up bright spot, in my opinion, hopefully, sooner than later he hears it enough will allow it to happen. When the time comes another major huddle aside from the 14-day quarantine is the insurance which has rarely been mentioned in the conversation maybe I miss something? Although I haven't checked in a while when I did look it wasn't as cheap as others have noted may be due to my age and my length of stay a 100,000 USD coverage for Covid, runs 140,000 baht at 30-1 ratio that equals $4600.00 for a one-year policy.
Yet for locals and even ex-pats they were selling policy within for 800-1500 baht coverage in general 100,000 baht if you go into a coma coverage 1-2 million baht includes death benefits. Then you got a recently passed to charge all passengers coming into the country another 300-600 baht buried in their ticket price to be used to promote tourism and cover tourist medical expenses if they have an accident and don't carry insurance. When it comes to insurance here they got the leaders deep in their pockets?
GettingFedUp
03-04-21, 02:15
Premiums vary hugely based on age and length of stay and can be prohibitively expensive for those 70 plus. Assuming some form of rational thinking in immigration policy one would imagine that certified vaccinated visitors with consequent little or no risk of being hospitalized should not need specific Covid 19 coverage.Franciscass,
Your observation is accurate for general health insurance but for the stand alone Covid cover I was talking about the premiums are not age age specific. Age 1 to 99 it's the same price. The only variables which affect the price seem to be country of origin and duration (I admit I haven't checked whether the "reason for visit" affects the premiums).
". rational thinking in immigration policy. " - hmmmm, may I remind you that This is Thailand?
Franciscass
03-04-21, 06:07
Franciscass,
Your observation is accurate for general health insurance but for the stand alone Covid cover I was talking about the premiums are not age age specific. Age 1 to 99 it's the same price. The only variables which affect the price seem to be country of origin and duration (I admit I haven't checked whether the "reason for visit" affects the premiums).
". rational thinking in immigration policy. " - hmmmm, may I remind you that This is Thailand?Thanks for update. A retiree friend 76 years in UK waiting on his second jab is finding it particularly difficult getting affordable $100.000 Covid cover. 74 seems to be the standard cut off age for most providers. Your post suggests there are policies that solely cover covid and are priced the same irrespective of age. Not disagreeing with you if such is the case but it seems a little odd to me that as the risk of hospitalization is significantly higher as you up the age scale that premiums would not reflect this. No matter but if possible do you have a link where my friend might find such cover. It would be very much appreciated. Many thanks, Incidentally totally in sync with you on the intrinsic phobia towards outsiders.
Thailand will be opening up for poontang hungry warriors on July 1.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/thailand-tourism-sector-sights-set-215603403.html
HorseTrader
03-04-21, 17:00
Thailand will be opening up for poontang hungry warriors on July 1.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/thailand-tourism-sector-sights-set-215603403.htmlMy device only displayed a single sentence of the article, which reads " With the #OpenThailandSafely campaign, organizers hope to welcome tourists back on July 1. ".
Apparently there are still steps to take place before the door to Thailand is opened wide. I do like Turgid's optimism, hope it really happens.
Banana Boi
03-04-21, 19:09
It's a video, HT.
Video does not reveal any new information. Thailand is already open for foreigners and it has been for some time. Most people just can't afford the time to spend 2 weeks in quarantine. The video does not say quarantine will be eliminated effective July 1.
It's a video, HT.
Video does not reveal any new information. Thailand is already open for foreigners and it has been for some time. Most people just can't afford the time to spend 2 weeks in quarantine. The video does not say quarantine will be eliminated effective July 1.Not without vaccines for the Thais and foreigners here. Other places will rule. Not to mention the airlines restrictions.
Other durations are available and from a quick glance the premiums seem roughly pro rata to duration so a 30 day policy from high risk countries is just under THB 5,000 and 60 days THB 8,600.If you hold a renewable visa that didn't require an insurance before Covid, the trick is to come for quarantine one or two months before the visa expires. This would be when you want to come back to Thailand anyway so that you do not lose your visa. Then insurance is only needed up until the visa expires (as per "permitted until" stamp upon arrival). After quarantine, get the one-year insurance-free extension. Works with non-O, maybe not with non A-O.
Franciscass
03-05-21, 11:56
If you hold a renewable visa that didn't require an insurance before Covid, the trick is to come for quarantine one or two months before the visa expires. This would be when you want to come back to Thailand anyway so that you do not lose your visa. Then insurance is only needed up until the visa expires (as per "permitted until" stamp upon arrival). After quarantine, get the one-year insurance-free extension. Works with non-O, maybe not with non A-O.Perfect advice if your extension hasn't come and gone which has happened to a multitude of retirees unable for one reason or another to get back in time. The powers that be in their infinite sense of being understanding and considerate of these retirees some of whom have been here for 20 years plus have decided they will have to start the retirement visa process from scratch. As you suggest best way of doing this is with a O visa as it doesn't last time I checked unlike O-A require insurance. That said you will most likely need Covid cover to get back however you arrive unless they as they should scrap it for those vaccinated.
Perfect advice if your extension hasn't come and gone which has happened to a multitude of retirees unable for one reason or another to get back in time. The powers that be in their infinite sense of being understanding and considerate of these retirees some of whom have been here for 20 years plus have decided they will have to start the retirement visa process from scratch. As you suggest best way of doing this is with a O visa as it doesn't last time I checked unlike O-A require insurance. That said you will most likely need Covid cover to get back however you arrive unless they as they should scrap it for those vaccinated.Plus, from what I gather from some - not all - Thai embassy websites, the non-O visa is no longer available for pensioners. So if you miss the extension, it may be gone forever.
Thai embassy websites, the non-O visa is no longer available for pensioners.I previously got the Non IMM O-A visa the Chicago embassy. Then the Insurance requirement kicked in in 2018. Went to an agency in Pattaya and got switched a Non-IMM 1 yr Visa, no insurance required. (I renewed it last Month.) I believe you can only get this Visa in Thailand. The Visa stamp only has Non-IMM.
I previously got the Non IMM O-A visa the Chicago embassy. Then the Insurance requirement kicked in in 2018. Went to an agency in Pattaya and got switched a Non-IMM 1 yr Visa, no insurance required. (I renewed it last Month.) I believe you can only get this Visa in Thailand. The Visa stamp only has Non-IMM.So it's Non-IMM, no longer non-O. I was told you could still get a non-O through the Thai embassies in Laos or Cambodia after entering Thailand on a tourist visa.
Explorer8939
03-07-21, 10:37
I was walking around Soi Buakhow and LK Metro last night, it was jammed with people and traffic.
Plenty of ladies hungry for business, though. I think every lady I talked to last night dropped her top at some point without any encouragement from me.
Thailand to reduce quarantine period for vaccinated foreigners.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cut-quarantine-vaccinated-foreigners-092226155.html
Thailand to reduce quarantine period for vaccinated foreigners.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-cut-quarantine-vaccinated-foreigners-092226155.html
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Vaccinations must be administered within three months of the travel period...So if you were vaccinated three and a half months prior to your flight you need to get vaccinated again in order to qualify for a 7 day quarantine vs a 14 day quarantine? That's weird. They can't really be suggesting that people with long range plans to fly to Thailand, 4 months out for instance, might want to purposely delay getting vaccinated in order to better time it to occur less than 3 months before their flight, can they? Or to get back in line for another round of vaccination if they happen to have gotten their shots too soon before their flight?
HorseTrader
03-08-21, 17:20
So if you were vaccinated three and a half months prior to your flight you need to get vaccinated again in order to qualify for a 7 day quarantine vs a 14 day quarantine? That's weird.I won't travel until quarantine is much shorter, maybe I'd go with a 3 day quarantine.
A friend of mine in China says their vaccine is only 60% effective and lasts only 6 months, many Chinese people don't want it. Presumably they are using Sinivac. I have no idea if that is accurate information. For that vaccine, perhaps the 3 month duration for entry into Thailand is reasonable. But I'm also reading that Pfizer is 95% effective with durations longer than since start of testing. The 3-month duration for Pfizer makes no sense.
I'd rather expose myself to a group of people with 6 month old Pfizer vaccines than 3 month old Chinese vaccine. I’m assuming that science will show all vaccines greatly slow transmission of the virus.
Member #4698
03-08-21, 23:20
I won't travel until quarantine is much shorter, maybe I'd go with a 3 day quarantine.
A friend of mine in China says their vaccine is only 60% effective and lasts only 6 months, many Chinese people don't want it. Presumably they are using Sinivac. I have no idea if that is accurate information. For that vaccine, perhaps the 3 month duration for entry into Thailand is reasonable. But I'm also reading that Pfizer is 95% effective with durations longer than since start of testing. The 3-month duration for Pfizer makes no sense.
I'd rather expose myself to a group of people with 6 month old Pfizer vaccines than 3 month old Chinese vaccine. I'm assuming that science will show all vaccines greatly slow transmission of the virus.Good point: not all vaccines are equal or as effective. It will be interesting to see if the Thai Authorities recognize this fact by allowing Pfizer and Moderna inoculated persons in / no quarantine before other lesser quality inoculated groups are welcomed back, but I don't think so. I think the Gov't is committed to their present quarantine policy until 60% to 75% of the Thai people have been inoculated by whatever vaccine they can buy and produce in large bulk.
My Mini told me that inoculations have recently begun in BKK.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 03:03
Thailand seems to be toying with the idea of a 3 day quarantine if you have a vaccination within the last 3 months. But they only let you out of your room. You're still confined to the hotel property for 7 days (if vaccinated).
I agree. Until quarantine is reduced down to 3 days or less, there's no way I'm wasting my vacation time stuck in a hotel. I don't know if they understand that it's valuable time and money people are spending to vacation there.
But from their perspective, they want guidance from the CDC or WHO to say vaccinated travelers are OK. But no such luck:
The CDC is not updating its travel guidance at this time, Walensky said at a White House COVID-19 Response Team briefing on Monday. She stressed that everyone should continue to avoid nonessential trips, regardless of vaccination status. The CDC director cited previous spikes in case counts after surges in travel and the emergence of variants from international locations.Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/08/974783644/cdc-says-its-safe-for-vaccinated-people-to-do-these-activities.
Franciscass
03-09-21, 05:25
Im assuming that science will show all vaccines greatly slow transmission of the virus.That's the real issue. Closing borders wasn't meant to stop healthy visitors getting infected it was if they were Covid positive to keep them from infecting the locals. So far none of the vaccines stop infection but when data is available it will show which more importantly are more effective in reducing transmissibility. On herd immunity if all goes according to plan Thailand will by year end reach 50% vaccinated which is way short of the commonly accepted 70% needed. For those of us here the good news if it's to be believed is private hospitals can independently import vaccines and for an expected 4000 baht no need to wait till god knows when. On which vaccine is most effective personally I go with J and J because it was trialed against the new South African and Brazilian variants although not with the more contagious and virulent UK mutation but I will take whatever is available.
Thailand seems to be toying with the idea of a 3 day quarantine if you have a vaccination within the last 3 months. But they only let you out of your room. You're still confined to the hotel property for 7 days (if vaccinated).
I agree. Until quarantine is reduced down to 3 days or less, there's no way I'm wasting my vacation time stuck in a hotel. I don't know if they understand that it's valuable time and money people are spending to vacation there.Maybe my mindset falls in the minority of the tourist population, but I wouldn't want to go on vacation to relax with any sort of restrictions at the moment. For me, if I were to decide to travel abroad for vacation, it has to go back to how things were pre-Covid.
I go on vacation to relax. I mean, is it relaxing to constantly have to wear a face mask for every travel movement I make in public? Is it relaxing to have to go through a bunch of bureaucracy to get some stamp of approval to enter the tourist destination? Again, my mindset might be in the minority when it comes to going on vacation.
Maybe the majority of the tourist population is anxious to travel abroad and overseas even if there are inconveniences that'll take away some joy from their vacation experience.
And if the majority of the tourist population don't have the same mindset as me, then well, I would think that tourism in Thailand might actually start booming again with these potential easing of quarantine restrictions.
But based on just seeing how Thailand operates for the past year, I really don't think any of these gimmicky plans (I. E. Vaccine passports) will have a great impact in drawing back a large number of tourists to Thailand anytime soon or even this year.
My bet would be more towards mid to late next year in 2022 for when potential tourists might decide to travel to Thailand in greater numbers again (like pre-Covid tourist numbers). And it has to be under the same (pre-Covid) easy travel conditions again. (I. E. Just book a flight and hotel / check-in and board plane without hassle / no hassle for arrival without visa or visa-exempted / and that's it. Simple and easy travel.
Simply, when we're no longer mandated to wear masks in public, then I'll start believing that tourism will have a chance to become a thing again here in Thailand. And if this change actually happens this year, then I might have to take back my prediction of next year's return to normalcy.
But if this is going to be the new normal in a tourist destination like Thailand, then I expect the new normal (decrease in) tourism numbers to continue to reflect the current inhospitable state here in Thailand.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 08:18
Maybe my mindset falls in the minority of the tourist population, but I wouldn't want to go on vacation to relax with any sort of restrictions at the moment. For me, if I were to decide to travel abroad for vacation, it has to go back to how things were pre-Covid.
I go on vacation to relax. I mean, is it relaxing to constantly have to wear a face mask for every travel movement I make in public? Is it relaxing to have to go through a bunch of bureaucracy to get some stamp of approval to enter the tourist destination? Again, my mindset might be in the minority when it comes to going on vacation.
Maybe the majority of the tourist population is anxious to travel abroad and overseas even if there are inconveniences that'll take away some joy from their vacation experience.
And if the majority of the tourist population don't have the same mindset as me, then well, I would think that tourism in Thailand might actually start booming again with these potential easing of quarantine restrictions.
But based on just seeing how Thailand operates for the past year, I really don't think any of these gimmicky plans (I. E. Vaccine passports) will have a great impact in drawing back a large number of tourists to Thailand anytime soon or even this year.
My bet would be more towards mid to late next year in 2022 for when potential tourists might decide to travel to Thailand in greater numbers again (like pre-Covid tourist numbers). And it has to be under the same (pre-Covid) easy travel conditions again. (I. E. Just book a flight and hotel / check-in and board plane without hassle / no hassle for arrival without visa or visa-exempted / and that's it. Simple and easy travel.
Simply, when we're no longer mandated to wear masks in public, then I'll start believing that tourism will have a chance to become a thing again here in Thailand. And if this change actually happens this year, then I might have to take back my prediction of next year's return to normalcy.
But if this is going to be the new normal in a tourist destination like Thailand, then I expect the new normal (decrease in) tourism numbers to continue to reflect the current inhospitable state here in Thailand.I think lots of people are desperate to travel. And also that lots of people don't mind this new normal (wearing masks). It is uncomfortable, but I think people get accustomed to it. In lots of Asia, it was normal to wear masks on a daily basis (I think it was due to air quality). It would get really uncomfortable on hot and humid areas. But I would gladly pay that price to go back to monger heaven.
Who knows, maybe masks / vaccine passports will discourage people from traveling. Thailand probably thought the 2 week quarantine would help tourism, but it barely did anything.
Christian G
03-09-21, 09:59
Maybe my mindset falls in the minority of the tourist population, but I wouldn't want to go on vacation to relax with any sort of restrictions at the moment. For me, if I were to decide to travel abroad for vacation, it has to go back to how things were pre-Covid.
I go on vacation to relax. I mean, is it relaxing to constantly have to wear a face mask for every travel movement I make in public? Is it relaxing to have to go through a bunch of bureaucracy to get some stamp of approval to enter the tourist destination? Again, my mindset might be in the minority when it comes to going on vacation.
Maybe the majority of the tourist population is anxious to travel abroad and overseas even if there are inconveniences that'll take away some joy from their vacation experience.I don't know of any tourist who is willing to lose even a single day of vacation in quarantine (based on a 2 - 3 weeks holiday). The only guys I know who are ok with the quarantine are the long stayer who will spend 3 to 6 months or more in Thailand.
I have been waiting to come back to Thailand for over a year, just like so many others. The 2 week quarantine discouraged me and just like someone else mentioned, nobody is willing to waste a day while they are in Thailand for a short vacation.
That said, Thailand has started to consider easing the 2 weeks quarantine.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/03/09/asia-pacific/thailand-vaccine-passports/
Maybe my mindset falls in the minority of the tourist population, but I wouldn't want to go on vacation to relax with any sort of restrictions at the moment. For me, if I were to decide to travel abroad for vacation, it has to go back to how things were pre-Covid.It has been alleged that Pakistan is now open to tourists without any quarantine requirements. And that those from a certain list of countries are also exempt from the test requirement.
While it has been said that PFP pay for play is widespread there, OTOH Pakistan is uncharted territory for most, sex outside of marriage is apparently illegal & mongering info relatively meagre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Pakistan
Mr Enternational
03-09-21, 14:39
I go on vacation to relax. I mean, is it relaxing to constantly have to wear a face mask for every travel movement I make in public? Is it relaxing to have to go through a bunch of bureaucracy to get some stamp of approval to enter the tourist destination? Again, my mindset might be in the minority when it comes to going on vacation.Well it sure beats staying home. Complaining about bureaucracy to get a stamp of approval to enter a country? Most people are already used to obtaining visas for some places they want to go.
So you would rather be stuck wearing a mask in your hometown, than wearing one at your favorite vacation spot? Me and my friends have a saying, "The worst day in (fill in your favorite vacation spot) is better than the best day at home. Yeah I think I would go with wearing the mask in Thailand.
Maybe my mindset falls in the minority of the tourist population, but I wouldn't want to go on vacation to relax with any sort of restrictions at the moment. For me, if I were to decide to travel abroad for vacation, it has to go back to how things were pre-Covid....I think it depends on how desperate one is for poontang. If I were in my 30's or 40's I probably would be in Thailand now. However, being on the other side of 60 and having been there and done that many times before I will await more favorable conditions in my travel destination.
Most people are already used to obtaining visas for some places they want to go.Not sure how credible this statement is, but I'm more inclined to believe that most people are not really used to obtaining visas for places they want to go and are more used to visiting visa-free and visa-exempt places.
So you would rather be stuck wearing a mask in your hometown, than wearing one at your favorite vacation spot?If the cost of going to my favorite vacation spot was free, then okay; you got me. I would probably prefer to wear a mask and head over to that vacation spot. Thanks to whoever compensated for that free trip.
But since that scenario is most unlikely to happen, then yeah; I'd probably prefer to stay in my hometown area and do local tourism travel where costs are minimal and save up for that overseas trip and go when traveling is less of hassle and back to normal.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 21:14
I have been waiting to come back to Thailand for over a year, just like so many others. The 2 week quarantine discouraged me and just like someone else mentioned, nobody is willing to waste a day while they are in Thailand for a short vacation.
That said, Thailand has started to consider easing the 2 weeks quarantine.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/03/09/asia-pacific/thailand-vaccine-passports/Already mentioned that in my post below:
From Article:
Thailand also plans to reduce the mandatory quarantine period for vaccinated foreign visitors to seven days from 14 days currently
Thailand seems to be toying with the idea of a 3 day quarantine if you have a vaccination within the last 3 months. But they only let you out of your room. You're still confined to the hotel property for 7 days (if vaccinated).
I agree. Until quarantine is reduced down to 3 days or less, there's no way I'm wasting my vacation time stuck in a hotel. I don't know if they understand that it's valuable time and money people are spending to vacation there.
But from their perspective, they want guidance from the CDC or WHO to say vaccinated travelers are OK. But no such luck:
The CDC is not updating its travel guidance at this time, Walensky said at a White House COVID-19 Response Team briefing on Monday. She stressed that everyone should continue to avoid nonessential trips, regardless of vaccination status. The CDC director cited previous spikes in case counts after surges in travel and the emergence of variants from international locations.
Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ese-activities.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 21:17
I don't know of any tourist who is willing to lose even a single day of vacation in quarantine (based on a 2 - 3 weeks holiday). The only guys I know who are ok with the quarantine are the long stayer who will spend 3 to 6 months or more in Thailand.I think 3 days quarantinewould be my limit. I'd stay for 3 weeks.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 21:18
Not sure how credible this statement is, but I'm more inclined to believe that most people are not really used to obtaining visas for places they want to go and are more used to visiting visa-free and visa-exempt places.
If the cost of going to my favorite vacation spot was free, then okay; you got me. I would probably prefer to wear a mask and head over to that vacation spot. Thanks to whoever compensated for that free trip.
But since that scenario is most unlikely to happen, then yeah; I'd probably prefer to stay in my hometown area and do local tourism travel where costs are minimal and save up for that overseas trip and go when traveling is less of hassle and back to normal.Would that still hold true if this becomes the new normal for the next 5-10 years?
Banana Boi
03-09-21, 21:22
For all those who are contemplating quarantine don't have expectations of hobbying in Thailand to be like it was when you were here in December, 2019. Expect less than 25% of the girls, if that.
The only bright point is after your ASQ your hotel expense will be 25-40% of what you spent on accommodations pre-COVID.
I think 3 days quarantinewould be my limit. I'd stay for 3 weeks.
I think a 3 day quarantine is what it should be with a mandatory COVID test again on day 5 and 7. Maybe charge people 5000 baht at the airport to get a vaccine shot for the shorter quarantine option. Countries that rely on tourism need to think outside the box.
SinfullyKorean
03-09-21, 22:11
For all those who are contemplating quarantine don't have expectations of hobbying in Thailand to be like it was when you were here in December, 2019. Expect less than 25% of the girls, if that.
The only bright point is after your ASQ your hotel expense will be 25-40% of what you spent on accommodations pre-COVID.
I think a 3 day quarantine is what it should be with a mandatory COVID test again on day 5 and 7. Maybe charge people 5000 baht at the airport to get a vaccine shot for the shorter quarantine option. Countries that rely on tourism need to think outside the box.Good point. I'm hoping that by Oct, more people will be vaccinated. Bars have already started opening. As more and more Thai people are vaccinated, the country will probably open up more.
Vaccination at the airport cadfnnot work. It takes 2 weeks for the vaccine to take full effect.
I agree 3 days quarantine is probably the minimum quarantine time until CDC says otherwise. For now, CDC hasn't changed their travel guidelines even for vaccinated people. Hopefully, as more data becomes available, they'll review travel guidelines.
We have to keep in mind that vaccines only started going out about 2 months ago. Real world efficacy of the vaccines only started coming out last month. So I think it's reasonable for experts to take time to analyze the implications on travel before issuing more changes to guidelines. They've been criticized for changing / reverting their guidelines in the past.
Explorer8939
03-10-21, 03:24
Thailand seems to be toying with the idea of a 3 day quarantine if you have a vaccination within the last 3 months. But they only let you out of your room. You're still confined to the hotel property for 7 days (if vaccinated).
I agree. Until quarantine is reduced down to 3 days or less, there's no way I'm wasting my vacation time stuck in a hotel. I don't know if they understand that it's valuable time and money people are spending to vacation there.
But from their perspective, they want guidance from the CDC or WHO to say vaccinated travelers are OK. But no such luck:
Source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/08/974783644/cdc-says-its-safe-for-vaccinated-people-to-do-these-activities.The government of Thailand is painfully aware of the impact of quarantine requirements on their tourism industry. That is why they are weighing options to shorten quarantine time.
Already mentioned that in my post below:
From Article:Oops! Missed it. Thank you.
New variant.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/03/13/national/new-variant-philippines
Franciscass
03-15-21, 16:07
New variant.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/03/13/national/new-variant-philippinesNot remotely there yet but yes possible a nightmare scenario where a new strain more contagious, more virulent requires new vaccines for immunization. The experts are saying while existing vaccines may not be as efficacious against new variants they will still protect against serious illness. Hope they're right.
Banana Boi
03-15-21, 19:21
New variant.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/03/13/national/new-variant-philippinesThe Shoe Variant.
Originated from mold inside a damp pair of women's shoes. Size 8.5 US.
Year ago there were more than 2,000 variants; now its more than 300,000 of them. Let's stop ignorant fearmongering. None of them matter.
Not remotely there yet but yes possible a nightmare scenario where a new strain more contagious, more virulent requires new vaccines for immunization. The experts are saying while existing vaccines may not be as efficacious against new variants they will still protect against serious illness. Hope they're right.And the good news is that the vaccines that are being delivered can be modified in a few months to counteract these new strains, it's currently in progress and the scientists talk of delivering booster shots in the autumn.
And the good news is that the vaccines that are being delivered can be modified in a few months to counteract these new strains, it's currently in progress and the scientists talk of delivering booster shots in the autumn.Yes it's such a good news that we're going to all get our one jab per month to fight all these Bill and Melinda Gates's Covid19 mutations.
Franciscass
03-16-21, 11:43
Year ago there were more than 2,000 variants; now its more than 300,000 of them. Let's stop ignorant fearmongering. None of them matter.Really, what about the UK variant a more contagious more virulent strain which has led to new outbreaks and shutdowns across Europe and the US. Nobody I'm aware of is fear mongering here but some of us follow the science and the data and are not in the bury your head in the sand brigade.
Really, what about the UK variant a more contagious more virulent strain which has led to new outbreaks and shutdowns across Europe and the US. Nobody I'm aware of is fear mongering here but some of us follow the science and the data and are not in the bury your head in the sand brigade.You are welcome to post here a link to a pdf document published in a leading medical journal or government regulator, which has been peered reviewed and presents scientific evidence to the following: more contagious or more lethal. Also its crucial to read such document at least from general academic background, give it it a thought, and answer several crucial questions: When the document was published? Who financed the work? Who exactly the team behind the research? What type of investigation was completed? I won't even start with the notion of political and economic competition, career advancement, opportunism and power grab that follows this malady as always with any such turmoil in society. I do follow one of the major regulator (with about fifty strains now), do follow the clinical recommendations, and there is absolutely nothing in them with respect to so called variants.
HorseTrader
03-17-21, 00:10
Year ago there were more than 2,000 variants; now its more than 300,000 of them. Let's stop ignorant fearmongering. None of them matter.
You are welcome to post here a link to a pdf document published in a leading medical journal or government regulator, which has been peered reviewed and presents scientific evidence ...You are welcome to post here a link to a pdf document published in a leading medical journal or government regulator, which has been peered reviewed and presents scientific evidence of 300,000 variants.
Franciscass
03-17-21, 00:47
You are welcome to post here a link to a pdf document published in a leading medical journal or government regulator, which has been peered reviewed and presents scientific evidence to the following: more contagious or more lethal. Also its crucial to read such document at least from general academic background, give it it a thought, and answer several crucial questions: When the document was published? Who financed the work? Who exactly the team behind the research? What type of investigation was completed? I won't even start with the notion of political and economic competition, career advancement, opportunism and power grab that follows this malady as always with any such turmoil in society. I do follow one of the major regulator (with about fifty strains now), do follow the clinical recommendations, and there is absolutely nothing in them with respect to so called variants.I'm sorry Questner but I found it difficult to follow your post. I may have picked you up wrong but if you are saying there is no evidence to support the existence of new variants there is little to be gained in discussing it further.
So I am fully remote with my job. I can work from anywhere as long as I have internet which is great. I just got my covid shot and thinking about future trips. I am thinking about going to either the Thailand or the Philippines for a month around my birthday in October.
I have never been to Thailand before and it is on my list of places to go to. I been to the Phils about three times, and have enjoyed myself every time.
I like women with tats and piercings, and who are bi. I keep hearing Thailand is the best place for that.
I have found some nice Airbnb's in Pattaya I am looking at, also in Bangkok. But I think I rather be at the beach.
Can anybody fill me in on the amount of money I might spend in Thailand and if the women are better?
Thanks.
I'm sorry Questner but I found it difficult to follow your post. I may have picked you up wrong but if you are saying there is no evidence to support the existence of new variants there is little to be gained in discussing it further.Read my words: these new variants don't matter. If someone says they do with respect to how more contagious or lethal, ask to provide verified scientific evidence.
You are welcome to post here a link to a pdf document published in a leading medical journal or government regulator, which has been peered reviewed and presents scientific evidence of 300,000 variants.You have horse sense of humour, but the post itself doesn't add to the debate. Unfortunately today, any variant can be geographically named on purpose with added travel restrictions. Well, the Japanese want to save the Olympics, I get it. But it doesn't mean that every mass media article has anything to do with reality.
Can anybody fill me in on the amount of money I might spend in Thailand and if the women are better?
Thanks.How much you spend depends on you. You can easily spend 2000 baht or more on beer, lady drinks and tips a night. A girl on soi 6 is 1300 baht with bar fine. You can get a decent looking girl from a beer bar for 1500 to 2000 baht to stay the night. Or you could get a go go dancer for ?5000 baht. I put? mark because I never did that. A cheap decent hotel was $30 usd last year. But you can pay a third that or three times that depending on what level hotel you choose.
I'm a bit of a cheap charlie and I would usually spend 1000 baht on beer lady drinks etc and 1800 baht for girl and barfine in a night and girl would stay night.
I think some here spend considerably more .
Banana Boi
03-18-21, 03:37
I have found some nice Airbnb's in Pattaya I am looking at, also in Bangkok. But I think I rather be at the beach.FYI. AirBNB is illegal in Thailand. Search the hotel thread. Been discussed before.
Cheapest day in Pattaya. 250 baht guest room, 100 baht water, 120 baht street food, 10 baht laundry detergent, 500 baht Beach Road FL, 20 baht baht bus, 20 baht diarrhea pills. 1020 baht per day.
SinfullyKorean
03-18-21, 08:22
And the good news is that the vaccines that are being delivered can be modified in a few months to counteract these new strains, it's currently in progress and the scientists talk of delivering booster shots in the autumn.You understand the dilemma here, right? Any new booster shot to prevent any kind of new strain will be irrelevant. By the time the booster shot comes out, there will be a new strain. Science will always be playing catch up while everyone will be on lock down.
SinfullyKorean
03-18-21, 08:49
So I am fully remote with my job. I can work from anywhere as long as I have internet which is great. I just got my covid shot and thinking about future trips. I am thinking about going to either the Thailand or the Philippines for a month around my birthday in October.
I have never been to Thailand before and it is on my list of places to go to. I been to the Phils about three times, and have enjoyed myself every time.
I like women with tats and piercings, and who are bi. I keep hearing Thailand is the best place for that.
I have found some nice Airbnb's in Pattaya I am looking at, also in Bangkok. But I think I rather be at the beach.
Can anybody fill me in on the amount of money I might spend in Thailand and if the women are better?
Thanks.If this is your first time in Thailand, and you're coming for your birthday for 1 month, come and spend as much as you can. I would say $5000 (US) or more (including cost of stay and food). I usually spend about $4 k on a 3 week vacation. You're right, you'll find plenty of women in Thailand with tats, but not bi. I've rarely heard of good bi experiences here.
As for costs, easiest will be to bar fine girls at the go-go bars (also most expensive). I usually did LT, and that cost about 5 k-6 k baht plus bar fine. Usually, the bar girls will be the prettiest. There will be many ladies that want more for LT (7 k-10 k), my recommendation is to avoid them.
Anyways, if you pay 5 k per night, every other night for a month, that's almost $2500-$3000. You'll also probably want to find some soapy massage shops and regular FS massage shops. So depending on where you stay, $5 k (US) in a month is not a stretch by any means. But mind you, you're basically hobbying like a king with that budget. Sleeping with a different beautiful girl every other night. I'm estimating on the high end since this is your first visit and your birthday.
As for AirBnB, just get a hotel for the first few days. They usually run about $50/ night for a nice 4* hotel. You can find 3* for around $30/ night. Make sure to find guest friendly hotels (ask if they charge extra for your "guests" Some places say they don't charge extra, but they make you register your guest. And if you bring a different guest on a different day, they'll make you pay (I forgot how much). Once you land in Thailand, you'll be able to see cheaper options for short term apartment rentals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Bh1OKfqIs.
You understand the dilemma here, right? Any new booster shot to prevent any kind of new strain will be irrelevant. By the time the booster shot comes out, there will be a new strain. Science will always be playing catch up while everyone will be on lock down.There have already been many new strains of covid, almost all of which were of no concern and irrelevant.
"Immunity appears to be strong three months after the Moderna vaccine and six months after the AstraZeneca jab, but we don't yet have a full picture of how long immunity to Covid-19 lasts after vaccination. Scientists will continue to monitor this to determine if and when we'll need these type of boosters for Covid-19."
"Third, if the virus "mutates" or changes substantially over time, this can make it challenging for our immune cells to recognize the virus, effectively lowering our immunity again. A good example here is the influenza vaccine. The 'flu virus can change a lot from year to year so, to make sure immunity remains high, we give annual boosters tailored to new strains."
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3125828/coronavirus-why-do-we-need-booster-shots-and-could-mixing-covid
There has never been a time, and never will be, when everyone is on covid lockdown. Optimistically many places are talking about a return to a semblance of normality this summer.
I am thinking about going to either the Thailand or the Philippines for a month around my birthday in October.
The Philippines have just announced some severe restrictions on arrivals. You may not be going there for a while.
SinfullyKorean
03-18-21, 20:00
The Philippines have just announced some severe restrictions on arrivals. You may not be going there for a while.Yup, Philippines doesn't seem to have a very good strategy for opening up anytime soon. Thailand, on the other hand, has been revisiting and revising their quarantine guidelines for tourists and discussing plans for vaccine passports + no quarantine tourism. I'm really happy with what I've been hearing from Thailand in regards to prospects of visiting soon. They seem to be focused on removing quarantine restrictions by Oct, which is the start of their best tourism season.
SinfullyKorean
03-18-21, 20:12
There have already been many new strains of covid, almost all of which were of no concern and irrelevant.
"Immunity appears to be strong three months after the Moderna vaccine and six months after the AstraZeneca jab, but we don't yet have a full picture of how long immunity to Covid-19 lasts after vaccination. Scientists will continue to monitor this to determine if and when we'll need these type of boosters for Covid-19."
"Third, if the virus "mutates" or changes substantially over time, this can make it challenging for our immune cells to recognize the virus, effectively lowering our immunity again. A good example here is the influenza vaccine. The 'flu virus can change a lot from year to year so, to make sure immunity remains high, we give annual boosters tailored to new strains."
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3125828/coronavirus-why-do-we-need-booster-shots-and-could-mixing-covid
There has never been a time, and never will be, when everyone is on covid lockdown. Optimistically many places are talking about a return to a semblance of normality this summer.That's kind of what I meant to say. We can't keep restricting, hoping that BOOSTER shots will prevent covid. Once 70% has been inoculated, they need to open up. I don't mind the booster shots. But right now, they don't even know if the original vaccine shot will really wear off after 1 year. They have no data on that. Seems like they're assuming based on the yearly flu.
Papae Noel
03-18-21, 20:46
I like women with tats and piercings, and who are bi. I keep hearing Thailand is the best place for that..
and if the women are better?
Thanks.In October, as others have already posted, Thailand is likely to be open, or mostly open. Good if you like ink and hardware (not nearly as prevalent in the Philippines.).
Bisexual? You'll find them in both places.
If the women are better? No way to answer. You'll see for yourself.
Yup, Philippines doesn't seem to have a very good strategy for opening up anytime soon. Thailand, on the other hand, has been revisiting and revising their quarantine guidelines for tourists and discussing plans for vaccine passports + no quarantine tourism. I'm really happy with what I've been hearing from Thailand in regards to prospects of visiting soon. They seem to be focused on removing quarantine restrictions by Oct, which is the start of their best tourism season.Correct. It may not apply to many here but mongers can actually get into Thailand now. Arrivals by cruising yacht can have their sailing time counted as quarantine ie no hotel stay required. Start paddling. 😁.
The latest new proposed reopening to tourists plan for Thailand to be in four stages:
"Thailand to fully reopen to tourists in January 2022 in new proposed four-phase reopening rules".
https://www.traveldailymedia.com/thailand-fully-reopen-to-tourists-in-january-2022-four-phase-reopening-rules/
Mr Enternational
03-21-21, 13:35
Interesting to read that the poverty line in Thailand is 3044 baht per month. Some guys are keeping chicks out of poverty with just 1 night's work.
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210696-phuket-thais-in-poverty-because-foreign-tourists-stopped-coming-islands-tourism-obliterated/?utm_source=newsletter-20210321-1240&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
Wow! That is about $101 per month for those not familiar with the exchange rate.
Interesting to read that the poverty line in Thailand is 3044 baht per month. Some guys are keeping chicks out of poverty with just 1 night's work.
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210696-phuket-thais-in-poverty-because-foreign-tourists-stopped-coming-islands-tourism-obliterated/?utm_source=newsletter-20210321-1240&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
Wow! That is about $101 per month for those not familiar with the exchange rate.
Interesting to read that the poverty line in Thailand is 3044 baht per month. Some guys are keeping chicks out of poverty with just 1 night's work.
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210696-phuket-thais-in-poverty-because-foreign-tourists-stopped-coming-islands-tourism-obliterated/?utm_source=newsletter-20210321-1240&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
Franciscass
03-21-21, 18:22
Interesting to read that the poverty line in Thailand is 3044 baht per month. Some guys are keeping chicks out of poverty with just 1 night's work. True Mr. E. While others require for the same money she f**ks him every night of the week and what's more the hoe should be grateful for his generosity.
Interesting to read that the poverty line in Thailand is 3044 baht per month. Some guys are keeping chicks out of poverty with just 1 night's work.
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1210696-phuket-thais-in-poverty-because-foreign-tourists-stopped-coming-islands-tourism-obliterated/?utm_source=newsletter-20210321-1240&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news1 night's work? Speaking for Bangkok, there are still many go-go girls, Thermae girls and escorts holding to that much for just 1-2 hours of middling service. And punters are paying it.
---With the poverty line being 3,044 baht in Thailand.
I have to imagine this is just wildly disproportionately skewed towards the population in heavily poor or rural areas which is why its so low.
HorseTrader
03-22-21, 04:54
The latest new proposed reopening to tourists plan for Thailand to be in four stages:
"Thailand to fully reopen to tourists in January 2022 in new proposed four-phase reopening rules".
https://www.traveldailymedia.com/thailand-fully-reopen-to-tourists-in-january-2022-four-phase-reopening-rules/I read this article a few hours ago, but now I can't access it due to time out. It's the first Thailand proposal that makes sense. I'm sure the dates are just targets, which could be accelerated or delayed based on a variety of factors. The single day phase-3 quarantine would be agreeable to me, though I have no idea what point a 1-day quarantine serves for a virus that has an average incubation period of 5 or 6 days.
I very much like the increase from 30 to 45 days for visitors without special visa. My 60-day visa from January 2020 was a pain in the neck to get from the Thailand Embassy.
Loose Cannon
03-22-21, 08:27
The latest new proposed reopening to tourists plan for Thailand to be in four stages:
"Thailand to fully reopen to tourists in January 2022 in new proposed four-phase reopening rules".
https://www.traveldailymedia.com/thailand-fully-reopen-to-tourists-in-january-2022-four-phase-reopening-rules/Would someone be kind enough to paste the text of the article in this forum. Few of us are facing technical issues to access the content. Thank you.
MutantChicken
03-22-21, 09:37
Would someone be kind enough to paste the text of the article in this forum. Few of us are facing technical issues to access the content. Thank you.I thought you said you work in IT, and even if you didn't you must be one hell of a luddite if you don't know about google cache of webpages.
Would someone be kind enough to paste the text of the article in this forum. Few of us are facing technical issues to access the content. Thank you.Try these links:
https://cartegg.com/latest-travel-news-thailand-to-fully-reopen-to-tourists-in-january-2022-in-new-proposed-four-phase-reopening-rules/
https://www.thephuketnews.com/thailand-mulls-a-four-phase-reopening-79339.php
Loose Cannon
03-22-21, 21:25
I thought you said you work in IT, and even if you didn't you must be one hell of a luddite if you don't know about google cache of webpages.I would rather get scolded by some pimp and still get the information in this forum than play around some settings to open certain website. The issue could be with the website being down or blocked by firewall, but chicken brain knows few words like cache and has to shitt on people.
Anyways, I am here to get information so that I can bang chicks. I am not interested in fuckingwith some ever angry mutant chicken.
Thanks for the info Run Mann.
I hope to be back to Thailand this summer and would like to stay 9 months or maybe longer. Is that going to be hard to do? I have stayed 5 months before by leaving and coming back. I can get a muay thai school to say I am a student if that helps.
Can a person do visal runs now or is that not needed. ? What's your best guess for the future?
Thanks.
MutantChicken
03-22-21, 23:01
I would rather get scolded by some pimp and still get the information in this forum than play around some settings to open certain website. The issue could be with the website being down or blocked by firewall, but chicken brain knows few words like cache and has to shitt on people.
Anyways, I am here to get information so that I can bang chicks. I am not interested in fuckingwith some ever angry mutant chicken.
Thanks for the info Run Mann.So that means you don't know about google cache viewing, what you have described is playing around with the google proxy server IP address. I don't work in IT or am I a software engineer but even I know this. So the cliché about south Asian IT talent is true in your case hahah.
Enjoy banging chicks, if you can get past the south Asian stereotypes, which it seems you clearly fit in well.
Loose Cannon
03-23-21, 05:47
So that means you don't know about google cache viewing, what you have described is playing around with the google proxy server IP address. I don't work in IT or am I a software engineer but even I know this. So the clich about south Asian IT talent is true in your case hahah.
Enjoy banging chicks, if you can get past the south Asian stereotypes, which it seems you clearly fit in well.Hmmm. Chicken knows his stuff. Now I also learnt another trick. Thank you for that. Now others who don't know gets to know.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.traveldailymedia.com/thailand-fully-reopen-to-tourists-in-january-2022-four-phase-reopening-rules/
Explorer8939
03-23-21, 15:25
I hope to be back to Thailand this summer and would like to stay 9 months or maybe longer. Is that going to be hard to do? I have stayed 5 months before by leaving and coming back. I can get a muay thai school to say I am a student if that helps.
Can a person do visal runs now or is that not needed. ? What's your best guess for the future?
Thanks.You can get an education visa.
Visa runs are difficult because of quarantine requirements.
True Mr. E. While others require for the same money she f**ks him every night of the week and what's more the hoe should be grateful for his generosity.
1 night's work? Speaking for Bangkok, there are still many go-go girls, Thermae girls and escorts holding to that much for just 1-2 hours of middling service. And punters are paying it.They pay it because "it's still cheaper than back home and you end up saving from the whole trip because everything is cheaper."
The logic is just.
MutantChicken
03-25-21, 02:46
They pay it because "it's still cheaper than back home and you end up saving from the whole trip because everything is cheaper."
The logic is just.What's funny is that its a fact guys travel to Asia to fuck women as its "cheaper than back home" and yet they are the first to call "cheap charlie" guys who can get away with pay less the the very same girls they are fucking. Can anyone spell hypocrite?
Franciscass
03-25-21, 05:56
They pay it because "it's still cheaper than back home and you end up saving from the whole trip because everything is cheaper."
The logic is just.I agree it's cheaper here but to "end up saving from the whole trip" to make any sense you would have to be paying significantly more for P4P and to be unusually active back home. That said no matter where one plays I guess it comes down to who with. Here a pick up at a go go will set you back an average of $150, more if you like a few drinks along the way and select one of the higher end girls at the more popular bars. Drinks are no cheaper here unless you like rotgut local whiskey and your latte at Starbucks costs 4 $. There are cheaper options online, at massage shops and on the street but add in cost of getting here and accommodation and I feel you can understand what I mean when I say it's difficult to "end up saving from the whole trip".
Franciscass
03-25-21, 06:22
What's funny is that its a fact guys travel to Asia to fuck women as its "cheaper than back home" and yet they are the first to call "cheap charlie" guys who can get away with pay less the the very same girls they are fucking. Can anyone spell hypocrite?It's not pricing in different countries that determines a Cheap Charlie, its behavior where ever you are. If you qualify as consistently miserly, giving as little as possible, be a peel an orange in your pocket type you're most likely a cheap Charlie. For some that's just being smart while others find it an unattractive personality trait. For me the red line is not taking advantage of a girl's circumstance or to insist because 300 baht is the daily minimum wage they should be grateful when offered 500 baht for sex.
Crocodilexp
03-25-21, 10:46
I hope to be back to Thailand this summer and would like to stay 9 months or maybe longer. Is that going to be hard to do?Get an STV, it's a 9-month visa, with some caveats. I think they're discontinuing them (last entry) in July, but that might be wrong info. I don't think visa runs are going to be a thing for about a year. Even if Thailand opens up, finding a place to run to could be an issue (read: expensive).
What's funny is that its a fact guys travel to Asia to fuck women as its "cheaper than back home" and yet they are the first to call "cheap charlie" guys who can get away with pay less the the very same girls they are fucking. Can anyone spell hypocrite?I think one should never call another monger a cheap charlie. Obviously one is free to pay what one likes for Asian dolls but one should never say hurtful things about other mongers.
MutantChicken
03-25-21, 17:05
It's not pricing in different countries that determines a Cheap Charlie, its behavior where ever you are. If you qualify as consistently miserly, giving as little as possible, be a peel an orange in your pocket type you're most likely a cheap Charlie. For some that's just being smart while others find it an unattractive personality trait. For me the red line is not taking advantage of a girl's circumstance or to insist because 300 baht is the daily minimum wage they should be grateful when offered 500 baht for sex.Seems to me from the perspective of someone living in your native country whether it be USA, Aust, Canada etc, you going to Asia to take advantage a girls poverty " to pay as little as possible" relative to western sexconomy, then you are taking advantage of a girls circumstances. That is if she wasn't a citizen of Thai, Philippines etc you wouldn't be able to fuck her for 3-4-5-6 k whatever price you pay.
HorseTrader
03-25-21, 17:14
Dirt poor bar girls calling farang Cheap Charlie for refusal to buy drinks for each of the 6 girls in the bar is ridiculous. Ring the bell! 555. No thanks. I've never done that.
I do tend to pay top dollar for my favored go-go girl when I bar fine her. But, I pay much less 2 days later when I use Line to arrange a date. Perhaps I am a Cheap Charlie.
As long as a person is honest and doesn't decieve I don't think someone is a cheap charlie in the bad sense of the word if they are cheap. I'm a bit of a cheap charlie in that I don't want to spend a lot. But I don't want a girl thinking I cheated her. Groping a girl then leaving without tipping seems wrong to me. But groping a girl after telling her you only have 100 baht left after paying for drinks seems ok if she allows it.
Let the woman know and do whatever is agreeable between the two of you. Some woman might prefer a little money over no money.
The thing I don't understand is the punters that say high spenders ruin it for them because it raises the price. Why would some high spender care about some cheap charlie' money over a girl he's having sex with? Some girl from isaan can use the money more then some guy from usa. This is not to say people should pay too much but it's to say spend whatever amount you want and the girl accepts. If you want to be cheap, be cheap. If you want to ring the bell ten times a night, have at it. It's not my money.
Dirt poor bar girls calling farang Cheap Charlie for refusal to buy drinks for each of the 6 girls in the bar is ridiculous. Ring the bell! 555. No thanks. I've never done that.
I do tend to pay top dollar for my favored go-go girl when I bar fine her. But, I pay much less 2 days later when I use Line to arrange a date. Perhaps I am a Cheap Charlie.
Mr Enternational
03-25-21, 19:33
Dirt poor bar girls calling farang Cheap Charlie for refusal to buy drinks for each of the 6 girls in the bar is ridiculous. Ring the bell! 555. No thanks. I've never done that.That is called marketing. The same way that DeBeers shamed hundreds of millions of people to pay an obscene amount of money for clear rocks.
SinfullyKorean
03-25-21, 20:00
I think one should never call another monger a cheap charlie. Obviously one is free to pay what one likes for Asian dolls but one should never say hurtful things about other mongers.Amen. When it comes to hobbying, the cheaper the better. When we go to Asia to hobby, it's to get the best bang for our buck (pun intended).
1. Kudos to the guy that can get a great banging deal.
2. Don't be an entitled *******.
3. Don't give other mongers a hard time for what they paid, high or low.
SinfullyKorean
03-25-21, 20:17
As long as a person is honest and doesn't decieve I don't think someone is a cheap charlie in the bad sense of the word if they are cheap. I'm a bit of a cheap charlie in that I don't want to spend a lot. But I don't want a girl thinking I cheated her. Groping a girl then leaving without tipping seems wrong to me. But groping a girl after telling her you only have 100 baht left after paying for drinks seems ok if she allows it.
Let the woman know and do whatever is agreeable between the two of you. Some woman might prefer a little money over no money.
The thing I don't understand is the punters that say high spenders ruin it for them because it raises the price. Why would some high spender care about some cheap charlie' money over a girl he's having sex with? Some girl from isaan can use the money more then some guy from usa. This is not to say people should pay too much but it's to say spend whatever amount you want and the girl accepts. If you want to be cheap, be cheap. If you want to ring the bell ten times a night, have at it. It's not my money.I can see the other side of the coin. We go to Asia to have cheap fun. But if it ends up raising the average cost (which has been happening in many places in Thailand), then 1. It's not as fun since you can't get the same cheap fun anymore. 2. it puts local mongers in a pickle because they retired with a specific cost and budget in mind. It is a bit hypocritical to say you want to go to Asia for cheap fun and then pay the same / similar rates you're paying back home.
I have to agree, the last couple times I went to Thailand, the prices some of these girls were asking for was ridiculous. 10 k-12 k + bar fine for long time, mostly in the go-go bars. I ended up enjoying my time the most at Soi 6, where the costs didn't seem as inflated (as gogo bars in walking street, BR, or BKK).
I do feel a little bad about paying a lot in Vietnam when I visited for 3 days. It was a short stay and despite doing some research ahead of time, didn't have a chance / time for footwork and online searching. I did end up paying a lot more than what locals usually pay, but had a great time. And I don't think I raised the local mongering price because the markets I partook aren't really tailored to locals anyways (e. G. Queen Bee, little tokyo).
When I do have a chance to stay in VN for an extended period of time (I. E. More than a month), I'll definitely take my time to figure out the local market pricing and how to get the most beautiful lays for the cheapest prices. And I'll upload tons of field reports when I do.
SinfullyKorean
03-25-21, 20:19
You can get an education visa.
Visa runs are difficult because of quarantine requirements.I don't think they're currently issuing ED visas. I emailed these guys (http://www.tls-bangkok.com/english/) and that's what I was told.
MutantChicken
03-26-21, 03:23
The thing I don't understand is the punters that say high spenders ruin it for them because it raises the price. Why would some high spender care about some cheap charlie' money over a girl he's having sex with? Some girl from isaan can use the money more then some guy from usa. This is not to say people should pay too much but it's to say spend whatever amount you want and the girl accepts. If you want to be cheap, be cheap. If you want to ring the bell ten times a night, have at it. It's not my money.I can't speak for every cheap charlie, just from what I have observed and my own opinions, but I see only a few cheap charlies who fit in the category describe, ie [Deleted by Admin] about others spending money and causing price increases. Would I be annoyed if I had to pay more than I previously did due to weekend millionaire? Sure, but that's the nature of the game its the competitive market we fuck in. What I have a issue is, are the overpayers / weekend millionaire who due to their own inabilities and inadequacies can't pay the local price, but then come on and espouse the case anyone not paying as much as them are somehow financial eunuchs / take advantage of women are scumbags etc etc. What makes it even more annoying is that many later on come on asking for more information or if you write a post / post a pic of a new place / new girls they then contact you asking for that information.
There are places in Thai / Asia where you can still fuck MILFs in a soapy setting for 1500, where you can fuck uni student kapoo girls for 3000, where you can fuck pinoy model wannabe in manila for 2500 peso, little seaside villages in Asia where you can fuck 18 yr olds for 6 usd. But who is going to be the moron who will provide that information with so many weekend millionaire. In fact even if there wasn't such people given the competitive nature mongering, it makes no sense to share such gems.
At Sinfullykorean you posted this not much more than 1 week ago seems a bit of a turn around. The whole "I'll spend mine the way I want" that is part of the issue, after saying this last week now you are saying that weekend millionaires should be more mindful of the local economy? As it puts local mongers in a pickle as the retired with a specific budget in mind? So what is it spend as you want as its your money or not.
"Personally. ". Yes, you do you. I don't think anyone here's claiming to be altruistic. Nobody's taking a holier than thou stance here, except people calling them out.
Everyone here's here for 1 thing, and that's to get laid. So should it surprise you to hear that a guy's giving some money to a prostitute to get better service? Is it his primary motive for giving money to them? Is it his secondary? Does it matter?
How about you spend money as you see fit and I'll spend mine the way I want to?If someone posts after that you have overpaid, and you want to take the "its my money" line great, it is you money, but then don't be later complaining when prices have gone to 12 k baht whereas local places are still 3 k for the same slim 20 yr old. The cheap charlies not the weekend millionaires are the ones who go out do the leg work to find these "cheaper" places, then after shared online, they get given that attitude.
I agree it's cheaper here but to "end up saving from the whole trip" to make any sense you would have to be paying significantly more for P4P and to be unusually active back home. That said no matter where one plays I guess it comes down to who with. Here a pick up at a go go will set you back an average of $150, more if you like a few drinks along the way and select one of the higher end girls at the more popular bars. Drinks are no cheaper here unless you like rotgut local whiskey and your latte at Starbucks costs 4 $. There are cheaper options online, at massage shops and on the street but add in cost of getting here and accommodation and I feel you can understand what I mean when I say it's difficult to "end up saving from the whole trip".Totally agree! My original line was "The logic is just. (enter word here). Like MutantChicken said, they come all the way here to take advantage of cheaper providers. When they get here, after spending money on tickets, hotels and a day travelling, they decide it's too little and should pay more, something comparable to what the girls get ' back home'. When BMs try to advise them about this, the response is everything else is cheaper so they save money on the whole. But if they applied this same logic to everything else they would be paying more for everything, not just sex. Might as well just stay where you are and tip more for the better service you claim to get.
The logic just doesn't add up.
The thing I don't understand is the punters that say high spenders ruin it for them because it raises the price. Why would some high spender care about some cheap charlie' money over a girl he's having sex with? Some girl from isaan can use the money more then some guy from usa. This is not to say people should pay too much but it's to say spend whatever amount you want and the girl accepts. If you want to be cheap, be cheap. If you want to ring the bell ten times a night, have at it. It's not my money.I agree that a high roller wouldn't worry about prices and cheap charlie's and shouldn't have to. But if the average western monger is paying more than fair market price because it's cheaper than what he pays back home (I. E. Not a high spender but your average western monger with this opinion). Then there is no doubt that this affects market price (but sadly only for the western monger).
If you doubt this, take a group of guys with you to a tourist attraction or market and pay more for everything. Then come the next few days and do the same. Return again and everyone from the tuktuk driver to the operator would be expecting more and not very happy if you are paying the standard price. They may even provide a worse service because they are not getting as much as they expected you to give them, they got less.
Next group of guys that look like you will most likely have the same experience if this is a repeating pattern.
I can see the other side of the coin. We go to Asia to have cheap fun. But if it ends up raising the average cost (which has been happening in many places in Thailand), then 1. It's not as fun since you can't get the same cheap fun anymore. 2. it puts local mongers in a pickle because they retired with a specific cost and budget in mind. It is a bit hypocritical to say you want to go to Asia for cheap fun and then pay the same / similar rates you're paying back home.
I have to agree, the last couple times I went to Thailand, the prices some of these girls were asking for was ridiculous. 10 k-12 k + bar fine for long time, mostly in the go-go bars. I ended up enjoying my time the most at Soi 6, where the costs didn't seem as inflated (as gogo bars in walking street, BR, or BKK).
Bang on! Wherever there is a concentration of Freddie's, the prices go up, sometimes girls expecting 3 times fold because you look like the last Freddie.
In some countries girls who are happy with 20 usd asking for 100. You see her as a stunner and therefore 20 usd is nothing and will happily pay up to 5 times because that is what she's worth back home. But the only reason she is a stunner to you is because she is exotic (in your eyes) and you are a traveller in an exotic location (to you). In her local context she is an average Jane and 20 is the price everyone is happy with including her.
But why do we insist that it's too little and compare it to our context. The Freddie's in white and shinning armor will not rest until girls all over the world get equal pay to the girls where they live. I wish this logic worked in reverse, guys from Asia bringing prices in US down because better looking girls in Asia get a third less. There are BMs on this forum with loads of experience who keep giving advise based on their long experience and the context of living in these countries for so long but we refuse to take it.
You hit the nail on the head about guys coming to Asia for cheap sex then paying more and calling others cheap.
Franciscass
03-26-21, 12:04
Seems to me from the perspective of someone living in your native country whether it be USA, Aust, Canada etc, you going to Asia to take advantage a girls poverty " to pay as little as possible" relative to western sexconomy, then you are taking advantage of a girls circumstances. That is if she wasn't a citizen of Thai, Philippines etc you wouldn't be able to fuck her for 3-4-5-6 k whatever price you pay.Sorry MC don't follow your train of thought. Lots of services are cheaper here than in USA Aust or Canada, regular massages, healthcare, and accommodation just to mention a few. P4P is also cheaper but this doesn't mean you are taking advantage of a girls poverty or her circumstances when you pay the going rate for her time.
I can see the other side of the coin. We go to Asia to have cheap fun. But if it ends up raising the average cost (which has been happening in many places in Thailand), then 1. It's not as fun since you can't get the same cheap fun anymore. 2. it puts local mongers in a pickle because they retired with a specific cost and budget in mind. It is a bit hypocritical to say you want to go to Asia for cheap fun and then pay the same / similar rates you're paying back home......I really do not understand why mongers worry about what another spends on their ladies. Price rises are inevitable. Wherever Americans go the prices inevitably increase. Look at Panama, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic. The latest destination of choice is Colombia where Americans have recently been flocking to in droves; prices there are definitely going to rise. Whether you complain or not it is going to happen, so why complain? Just enjoy the pussy.
MutantChicken
03-26-21, 17:21
Sorry MC don't follow your train of thought. Lots of services are cheaper here than in USA Aust or Canada, regular massages, healthcare, and accommodation just to mention a few. P4P is also cheaper but this doesn't mean you are taking advantage of a girls poverty or her circumstances when you pay the going rate for her time.The logic is this, things like healthcare, massages, accommodation etc ALL have a labor component in its pricing, similarly like P4P you are paying for her labour / physicality. If these countries weren't poor then these services like healthcare, massages, accommodation wouldn't be cheaper than the USA. Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.
Hence you coming to Thailand, to "pay a low price as possible", then you are taking advantage of her circumstances. Because if the country wasn't poor she could have had free education, her circumstances prevented her from getting a well paid job that didn't involve selling her vagina. I'm not taking a moral position as to me that's just economics, and its debatable how better or worse her life would be without falang dick. But by your own definition of a cheap Charlie, anyone going to a poor country to use any of its services, healthcare, massages, accommodation and definitely p4 p could be said to be cheap charlies.
MutantChicken
03-26-21, 17:42
Sorry MC don't follow your train of thought. Lots of services are cheaper here than in USA Aust or Canada, regular massages, healthcare, and accommodation just to mention a few. P4P is also cheaper but this doesn't mean you are taking advantage of a girls poverty or her circumstances when you pay the going rate for her time.What is the going rate?
Imagine I was the first falang in Thailand, and I go up to a lady she say "I go with you?" I say how much and she says "up to you", we go boom boom and after the deed I think wow back in USA / CAN / AUST, that would cost me 200, so ill gvie her 50 to be fair IE 1500 bht. Now I tell buddy A, he tells be, tells see etc etc, we won't even think about guy xyz who wants to be a big shot and tips another 500 b, but generally 1500 b becomes the "going rate."
Now Francis, goes to another part of Thai, and same thing happens and after the boom boom when trying to figure out how much to pay her, he thinks 7/11 chick gets paid 300 nht a whole day, I spent 1 HR with her, we both had a good time, so ill give her 500 bht, she happily accepts and leaves.
Later he meets a few guys who happened to be the same guys who follow the going rate of 1500. After recounting his story, he gets called a cheap charlie, how he is taking advantage of her circumstances etc etc.
This may make logical sense to some I suppose, how the first guy was a saint and yet Francis was a scoundrel? To me I don't see the logic, as the price paid was determined by different parameters, but ending with both ladies happy, so why was the second guy a cheap charlie, if anything guy no 1 should be the cheap charlie as he decided to pay 1/4 of what should have costed him more at home. Whereas Francis paid 2 x what the girl could have earnt with similar labor expenditure.
Banana Boi
03-27-21, 05:07
I have lots of gogo and Soi 6 girls call me cheap in Thai when I refuse to buy them lady drinks. I'm sure it happens to you guys often too you just don't understand what they are saying when they walk away. I used to be an expat weekend millionaire but I consider myself to be a Cheap Charlie now.
I had a regular Sapphire gogo girl who I used to buy drinks for in 2015 tell me I'm not the same now. When I asked her to clarify she said because I don't buy her and her friends lady drinks any longer. I told her I'm the same and buy lots of drinks. The issue was that she looks 5 years older now than when I used to buy her 10+ drinks per night. She got angry and no longer talks to me.
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