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Banana Boi
03-27-21, 05:27
I'm basing this off of 4 girls per day based on non-expat rates.
Hotels in Germany and Thailand are comparable in price. In Germany you usually rent a car but you don't have to and public transportation is quite good. Food and beer are free in Germany FKK clubs and you have to pay in Thailand.
A day in Germany.
NRW FKK entry 2200 baht (1 club).
Girl is 1825 baht per hour x 4.
Food free.
Beer free.
Hotel 2000 baht.
Car 1500 baht.
Total 13 k baht.
A day in Thailand.
2 girls Soi 6 for 1 hour - 1350 baht x 2.
1 gogo girl for 1 hour - 4500 baht.
IBar girl - 2000 baht.
Food - 200 baht.
Beer and lady drinks at Soi 6 bars and gogo bars - 1500 baht+++.
Hotel 2000 baht.
Taxis 100 baht.
Total 13 k baht.
Prices do not include tipping and extras for BBFS in Germany. Surprisingly both are the same price based on 4 girls per day. Where Thailand is ahead is that you can keep any of these girls overnight for a nominal surcharge whereas that is not an option in Germany for non regulars.
Franciscass
03-27-21, 09:48
The logic is this, things like healthcare, massages, accommodation etc ALL have a labor component in its pricing, similarly like P4P you are paying for her labour / physicality. If these countries weren't poor then these services like healthcare, massages, accommodation wouldn't be cheaper than the USA. Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.
Hence you coming to Thailand, to "pay a low price as possible", then you are taking advantage of her circumstances. Because if the country wasn't poor she could have had free education, her circumstances prevented her from getting a well paid job that didn't involve selling her vagina. I'm not taking a moral position as to me that's just economics, and its debatable how better or worse her life would be without falang dick. But by your own definition of a cheap Charlie, anyone going to a poor country to use any of its services, healthcare, massages, accommodation and definitely p4 p could be said to be cheap charlies.Please forgive me MC, I've tried to understand, to make some sense of what you are saying, I really have but I give in. Perhaps the subtleties of what causes variations in P4P pricing in different countries and how these relate to being a Cheap Charlie taking advantage of impoverished girls is just beyond me.
Member #4733
03-27-21, 12:59
I'm basing this off of 4 girls per day based on non-expat rates.
Hotels in Germany and Thailand are comparable in price. In Germany you usually rent a car but you don't have to and public transportation is quite good. Food and beer are free in Germany FKK clubs and you have to pay in Thailand.
A day in Germany.
NRW FKK entry 2200 baht (1 club).
Girl is 1825 baht per hour x 4.
Food free.
Beer free.
Hotel 2000 baht.
Car 1500 baht.
Total 13 k baht.Girls are 50 euro per half hour. It seems you took that as the price for one hour. And if you insist on 50 euros per hour you are in a club that I don't want to go to. Beware. Beer is not free in all Sauna Clubs. Even in Bangkok a hotel asking 2000 baht per night cannot be compared to a hotel in Germany asking the same. In Cologne one day sets me back 50 euro to 80 euro at least. Problem is that in the smaller towns hotel prices often are even higher than the big cities. Just go to Booking.com and check. I had a hotel in Pattaya for 25 euro per night and I will never get that quality in Germany below 200 euro and even then I have to search the net for days. I value the discussion to compare and will prefer Germany above Thailand for many reasons. Quality of the girls is at the top of my list.
The logic is this, things like healthcare, massages, accommodation etc ALL have a labor component in its pricing, similarly like P4P you are paying for her labour / physicality. If these countries weren't poor then these services like healthcare, massages, accommodation wouldn't be cheaper than the USA. Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.
Hence you coming to Thailand, to "pay a low price as possible", then you are taking advantage of her circumstances. Because if the country wasn't poor she could have had free education, her circumstances prevented her from getting a well paid job that didn't involve selling her vagina. I'm not taking a moral position as to me that's just economics, and its debatable how better or worse her life would be without falang dick. But by your own definition of a cheap Charlie, anyone going to a poor country to use any of its services, healthcare, massages, accommodation and definitely p4 p could be said to be cheap charlies.Sorry MT, I have to disagree with you.
If these countries weren't poor then these services like healthcare, massages, accommodation wouldn't be cheaper than the USAThis is where the logic gets flawed, you are making the US. One of the richest countries in the world, as the standard for what is poor and what is rich. That's like someone from the poorest country in the world saying:
"If those countries weren't rich, services like healthcare et wouldn't be more expensive than my country. " The starting point is flawed. His or your country are not the basis or the standard to determine rich or poor, especially if they are on either end of the scale.
The way to determine what makes poor and rich is different for every country and is determined by the specific countries poverty line which MR. E linked earlier, which got this whole debate started (so blame him). There is no space for this but you can refer to that post to see what makes someone rich or poor in Thailand or whichever country you choose to travel to and monger in. Comparing countries poverty level to the states is like someone from one of those ridiculously oil rich countries saying other countries are poor because things cost less in those countries and therefore he would be taking advantage for paying local prices when he travels (they easily pay up to 1-2 kusd in those countries, what would your chances of getting good service from an 8 be, if people from those countries regularly traveled in large numbers to monger with that logic? Also the reverse doesn't work, a person from a poor country cannot go to the US and say I'm not paying this much because this country is richer than mine, I should get to pay less or I'm being taken advantage of. You pay the local price wherever you go (plus tourist tax of course, which is understandable).
The other point where the logic is flawed is when it comes to cheap charlies paying "a low as price as possible". That's never been the case as far as I've been reading this forum. No monger here is looking to pay 500-700 baht or whatever the "lowest price" or even the local Thai price that is going around is. They are being called cheap charlies for not wanting to pay more than the fair local "tourist" price for mongering, the ones who are criticizing them are saying you shouldn't be cheap and haggle for that you should happily pay something a little less than what you pay 'back home'.
Incidentally (outdated report, but to keep things relative to the forum's objectives), There was one night in Bkk when I was on my way to my hotel pretty late, about 2 am on soi 4. I decided to just sit on the pavement for a few minutes, a short ways before or after the first 7/11, and finish a drink I had in my hands before going into the hotel and calling it a night. I wasn't planning on any action that night as I wanted to save energy for the next night. I was a newbie by the way, in Disneyland. A girl walked past me whom I thought was cute and I said Hi. She stopped and said Hi. I asked her how much for ST, just to see the price for info not to partake. She said 700 baht. I immediately got up and said o. She took me by the hand all the way to the hotel, and was very friendly. She also provided very good service. I gave her exactly what she asked for; 700, then I said and here is your tip, I gave her an extra 500 (which is a big tip when compared to the asking price, almost fold). I didn't say to myself I would be paying 5 k baht for this in the US so let me not take advantage and give her 4 k. She looked at the tip and then hugged and kissed me. She asked me to go to a club with her, but I told her that was not my thing. She was very happy with the 1. 2 k because it is more than what she was expecting and a few more of those and she would be above the poverty line in her local context.
The next day she was messaging me for a repeat, I didn't want to partake again because at that time I was on an every other day idiot program (again I was a newbie). At about 1 am there was a knock on my door. Guess who it was. She wouldn't be doing that if I was being cheap, she's doing that because its a good deal in her context. She was a street walker by the way, not a bar girl.
What is the going rate?
Imagine I was the first falang in Thailand, and I go up to a lady she say "I go with you?" I say how much and she says "up to you", we go boom boom and after the deed I think wow back in USA / CAN / AUST, that would cost me 200, so ill gvie her 50 to be fair IE 1500 bht. Now I tell buddy A, he tells be, tells see etc etc, we won't even think about guy xyz who wants to be a big shot and tips another 500 b, but generally 1500 b becomes the "going rate."
Now Francis, goes to another part of Thai, and same thing happens and after the boom boom when trying to figure out how much to pay her, he thinks 7/11 chick gets paid 300 nht a whole day, I spent 1 HR with her, we both had a good time, so ill give her 500 bht, she happily accepts and leaves.
Later he meets a few guys who happened to be the same guys who follow the going rate of 1500. After recounting his story, he gets called a cheap charlie, how he is taking advantage of her circumstances etc etc.
This may make logical sense to some I suppose, how the first guy was a saint and yet Francis was a scoundrel? To me I don't see the logic, as the price paid was determined by different parameters, but ending with both ladies happy, so why was the second guy a cheap charlie, if anything guy no 1 should be the cheap charlie as he decided to pay 1/4 of what should have costed him more at home. Whereas Francis paid 2 x what the girl could have earnt with similar labor expenditure.Again I have to disagree here, this would only make sense if we were indeed the first people going to LOS, but this is what these forums were set up for and why BMs are writing up thousands of reports: to stop new comers from making these easily avoidable mistakes by reading and acting on the intel. They report on the service and price. But like Franciscass said, we read the info, use it to overpay anyway because its a lot less than 'back home' then call others cheap charlies for haggling for the right price, which is a lot lower than 'back home'. The only reason why there is a haggle in the first place is because of the amount of mongers paying close to home prices.
If I took my car to get an oil change and asked the technician how much? And he tells me 'up to you'. I will immediately understand that he has marked me as a person who does not know the price and can be scammed into paying above the market price if left to my own devices. If I then start comparing what I pay to prices of an oil change in one of the richest countries in the world then he did the right thing for marking me and it paid off (for him).
If these girls didn't mark us for 'possible targets that don't know the price and are highly likely to pay more' they would have immediately given us the price to make sure we don't get any ideas that it will be any less. Like if someone from another unnamed background asked how much for example, they would never say 'up to you'. Not if he was the last monger on Earth (LOL).
In the case of the oil technician, I wouldn't let him go ahead and do the oil change then try to figure out how much to pay him after he's finished. I'd tell him either give me the price for an oil change or I'll just go to someone else whose not looking to scam me. But like I said, this is easily avoidable by reading the intel from the BMs who know what the going rate is and are telling me not to overpay, and telling me to tell the girls how much I am willing to pay first so there is no further misunderstanding down the line. After the oil change is complete and I'm happy with the service for the price point, tipping is 'up to me' and I'll happily tip according to the service after paying the standard going rate.
Mr Enternational
03-27-21, 13:51
The logic is this, things like healthcare, massages, accommodation etc ALL have a labor component in its pricing, similarly like P4P you are paying for her labour / physicality. If these countries weren't poor then these services like healthcare, massages, accommodation wouldn't be cheaper than the USA.True. Most foreigners are paying too much for the P4P labor component in poor countries though. When you do shit like get your motobike or computer fixed it is cheap as shit due to that cheap labor component. In the USA it costs like $100 per hour to work on my bike versus about $3 per hour in Thailand. Likewise in the USA it costs about $80 per hour to work on my computer versus about $5 in Thailand.
When it comes to buying electronics then you are going to pay the same prices as back home if your country is not one that charges exorbitant taxes on items as such. There is no labor to save money on with those items.
MutantChicken
03-27-21, 17:34
Mr dazeup / Francis.
Firstly I would like to say THIS makes not a whit of difference, as things are what it is, but as there is some confusion as to my point I'll try to clear it up.
So my comments must be read in context of what Mr Francis said IE in summary a cheap Charlie is someone who tries to pay the lowest possible price and by way of doing this you are taking advantage of a girls circumstances (in the P4P context).
What I said was if that was the criteria of being a cheap charlie, the we all are guilty, because in Asia we are getting the lowest possible price for what we want and we value. You are American you can go to Singapore to get Thais ladies, prices there are lower than the USA but not as low as Thailand. Sure you can get lower prices if you go to XYZ for vagina, but then you are not getting the right type of girls the right type of experience you want. So hence going to Thailand you are getting the experience you want for the lowest possible price, not the lowest price free of parameters.
This also includes regular tourist who come for the massages, hotels etc etc. Why are the prices lower, that's because of the relative poverty, this poverty leads to lower labour costs hence lower total costs. If there wasn't this poverty then the bargirl you are fucking for whatever price you decide to pay, would have had free education and would be able to work a job which pays enough that she wouldn't need to sell pussy. Its a fact that in western countries (richer) countries the proportion of native citizens who are FL vs imports are lower, IE they don't need to barter / sell their pussy if they are citizens and can access government services.) That naturally leads to the point that sex tourists regardless of what they pay are taking advantage of a girls circumstances unless they paid the same they would have in their home countries. I talk about poverty in the general sense not individual poverty levels as there are Thai billionaires and broke ass janitors in the USA. A doctor working in the UK which is a richer country than Thailand generally earns more after currency exchange than his Thai equivalent. A doctor working in Saudi which is a richer country than the UK (GDP per cap) generally earns more than his UK equivalent. Thus unsubsidized healthcare in Saudi costs more than the UK which is more then Thai. Now I'm sure there are elements such as USA insurance cartels that affect my logic train, but you get the picture.
The next point about the "going rate" relates to the comment Francis made about how it wasn't being a cheap Charlie if people paid the "going rate" but if you were to pay based on a calculation such as saying for example min wage is 300 bht and so pay to her 500 is a cheap charlie action.
What I asked was how is the going rate determined, someone must have decided what to pay initially, and via this 'calculation" and via subsequent word of mouth and online postings etc, it became generally known as the going rate. So what I proposed was a hypothetical first falang scenario and how the 1500 figure "going rate" was arrived at, then I compared it to Francis own example of the min wage 300/500 rate.
What I'm asking is why the 1500 figure is morally acceptable, whereas the 500 figure is the cheap Charlie figure as both figures are calculated based on different but equally valid economic data points. This is further reinforced when in more cases than not the local Thai price is closer to the lower figure.
My comments were all hypothetical, and is examined based on relative perceptions of value judgements. Ex I'm a Saudi based monger I fly in girls pay them 10 k usd, you fly to Thailand pay girls 10 kbaht, I call you cheap charlie "need to fly your broke ass from saudi to fuck" , next guy down the cheap charlie Congo line pays 3 k baht, you call him cheap charlie for not being a baller, not able to pay a "fair price" which is slightly cheaper than wherever, the next guy pays 1000 bht which is the local tourist price, he also a cheap charlie, etc etc etc. So end of day who is the cheap charlie. YOU all are via one value judgement or another. Shouldn't the person best able to judge "cheap charlieness" is the bar girls who will avoid and refuse to service the cheap charlies, or businesses who have blanket bans against certain ethic groups. I pay 500 bht you call me a cheap charlie but yet I get continued service and girls leave happy and satisfied and you are the best person to determine who is a cheap charlie?
MutantChicken
03-27-21, 17:56
Mr Dazeup.
Not too long ago street girls were available to expats and street wise mongers for 500 baht.
Local thais would pay 300 baht for the same or similar girls.
Some tourists would pay 700 baht as that was the first unhaggled asked price.
Some non locals would pay 300 bht same as the local price.
You in your outdated report, payed 700 then tipped (an unasked for / unrequested) 500 baht. Many nations view payments as the total amount IE 1200, there is no differentiation between price and tip. There is plenty of evidence that proves tipping doesn't improve service, if anything it ensures decline of attitude and increased sense of entitlement.
There are guys who know about the "going rate" but decide to pay 3000 baht.
There are guys who don't know the going rate but also pay 3000 bht or some subjective figure they think is fair.
There are guys who walk around with their buddy trying to haggle 2 fucks for 500 bht in a 3 some, with 19/20 girls refusing and running away from them.
So my question is which scenario has the cheap charlie and why iIE which logical reasoning was this conclusion obtained rather than by some subjective value judgement. I'm sure you can guess my answer from my previous posts.
Franciscass
03-28-21, 04:08
Mr dazeup / Francis.So my comments must be read in context of what Mr Francis said IE in summary a cheap Charlie is someone who tries to pay the lowest possible price and by way of doing this you are taking advantage of a girls circumstances (in the P4P context).Please MC if you are going to quote me at least be accurate. This was my post.
"It's not pricing in different countries that determines a Cheap Charlie, its behavior where ever you are. If you qualify as consistently miserly, giving as little as possible, be a peel an orange in your pocket type you're most likely a cheap Charlie. For some that's just being smart while others find it an unattractive personality trait. For me the red line is not taking advantage of a girl's circumstance or to insist because 300 baht is the daily minimum wage they should be grateful when offered 500 baht for sex."
When I say not taking advantage of a girls circumstances what I mean is for example knowing she is flat broke and offering a derisory 300 Baht for her time arguing this is acceptable because the daily minimum wage is 300 Baht. If you or others think that's ok so be it, I don't.
Mr Dazeup.
Not too long ago street girls were available to expats and street wise mongers for 500 baht.Sorry if I read your comments out of context MC. Not all my comments were directed towards you by the way. Its a reoccurring theme I was speaking about. By the way that outdated report was about 4-5 years old I would say. Average prices I was paying back then for ST was 1500.
Banana Boi
03-28-21, 05:18
Girls are 50 euro per half hour. It seems you took that as the price for one hour.You are very correct. My mistake. Was just rushing through a post. Some 1 hour sessions in Thailand last 30 minutes too especially in Soi 6, G Clubs, FL, FS massage joints, etc.
I value the discussion to compare and will prefer Germany above Thailand for many reasons. Quality of the girls is at the top of my list.
Agree Germany has way hotter girls. Remember back in 2012 when it was predominantly Czech, Hungarian, Polish, German, Russian, etc. Some were true model quality. Germany went downhill with the Romanian invasion. Problem is I like to party outside the club and this is difficult in Germany with only my regular girls willing to go out to do things outside the club.
Agreed.
When I travel to a foreign land outside of Western Europe, Oceania, or North America (excluding Mexico), I always check out the price of a haircut in a salon to get a gauge of what general personal services cost. In Thailand, I can get a really nice haircut, and other services with a hairstylist for 250-300 baht and that is in heavily trafficked tourist areas so sure it costs less elsewhere in Bangkok. Even cheap in and out haircut places in the US are over $20 now. So when I go, I get a few more haircuts than normal because it is so much cheaper. There is a place that I found off Suk near Paragon Mall where an older woman will sew your shirts etc. For a pittance — Like 50 baht or so to darn a shirt. That really tells you what most people live on even in the Capitol of the country.
But right next door to the hair salon is a BJ bar that charges considerably more than a standard haircut, not to mention what a FL might ask for in the same neighborhood.
True. Most foreigners are paying too much for the P4P labor component in poor countries though. When you do shit like get your motobike or computer fixed it is cheap as shit due to that cheap labor component. In the USA it costs like $100 per hour to work on my bike versus about $3 per hour in Thailand. Likewise in the USA it costs about $80 per hour to work on my computer versus about $5 in Thailand.
When it comes to buying electronics then you are going to pay the same prices as back home if your country is not one that charges exorbitant taxes on items as such. There is no labor to save money on with those items.
...Germany went downhill with the Romanian invasion...I liked the Romanian chicks. I did not think the other ethnicities were any better. I think the reason the FKKs went downhill was their pricing system. When I first visited the FKKs in 2006, the rate was 50 Euros for half and hour. There were many lovely girls from all over Europe back then. When I visited there 2 years ago, the rate was still 50 Euros per half hour. Most of the eye candy girls had moved on to other places, like Switzerland, Dubai, where the girls can earn much more.
Germany went downhill with the Romanian invasion...Nonsense here. The FKKs had their heydays when Romanians were making up 85% of the line-ups. In fact Romanians made the FKKs. Good bodies coupled with great service. Other nationalities often got displaced to venues offering less value for money.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutant-covid-could-make-vaccines-useless-within-a-year-warn-experts-14333429/
Two-thirds of disease experts believe new variants of coronavirus could make vaccines ineffective within a year, a survey shows. The study, which saw the People's Vaccine Alliance interview 77 epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists from around the world, found about 66% of them think the virus will mutate so much that first-generation vaccines will be unable to prevent infection within 12 months. Of that group, nearly one-fifth believe it would occur within six months and one-third said within nine months. Another 18.2% think it will be at least two years. But fewer than one in eight experts think the vaccines will be able to withstand future mutations of the virus. It comes as manufacturers of the currently available injections – including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca – are now working on booster doses to ward off mutations of Covid-19. It is hoped an additional jab, given six to 12 months after the first two doses, may help to protect against variants including the Brazil, South African and UK strains. In February, Pfizer started offering a third dose to 144 volunteers who took part in the vaccine's early-stage testing in the US last year. And Moderna started clinical trials of a booster jab earlier this month, with volunteers who took part in the.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutant-covid-could-make-vaccines-useless-within-a-year-warn-experts-14333429/?ito=cbshare.
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The gal I occasionally see in Farangland to take the edge off comps closest to the Tulip ladies: both in age / looks and activities. So comparing her Farangland pricing to the Bangkok scene is as follows:
A short stay (SS) or quick visit (QV) is $60 USD or about 1,800 baht for a BJ. This would comp to Low-lee-tas for 800 baht or $27 USD, so a little over 2 x the price.
A half hour (HH) is $100 or about 3,000 baht for a suck and fuck. I would comp this closest to a Soi 4 streetwalker for 1,500 baht or $50 USD, so around 2 x the price.
An hour (FH) is $160 or about 4,800 baht for multiple shots on goal. I would comp this closest to a 1 hour Tulip session for 1,900 baht or $63, so about 2. 5 x the price.
Anything over 1 hour is where Bangkok's sliding scale becomes the real bargain.
SL.
Nonsense here. The FKKs had their heydays when Romanians were making up 85% of the line-ups. In fact Romanians made the FKKs. Good bodies coupled with great service. Other nationalities often got displaced to venues offering less value for money.Another benefit of the Romanians is that they kept the prices down, there was so much competition that only the stunners could get away with charging higher prices. I still hope to get back to the FKK's but I believe that it will be next year now as Europe won't have the virus under control for another six months.
Another benefit of the Romanians is that they kept the prices down, there was so much competition that only the stunners could get away with charging higher prices. I still hope to get back to the FKK's but I believe that it will be next year now as Europe won't have the virus under control for another six months.Hell, I miss the days of the flat rate, all you can fuck, FKKs, which I don't know if any still exist. Mostly Romanian girls, occasionally some others, but usually a ton of them so there's always lookers, and well, you've already paid, so you get whatever you want too, as much as you want.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutant-covid-could-make-vaccines-useless-within-a-year-warn-experts-14333429/
Two-thirds of disease experts believe new variants of coronavirus could make vaccines ineffective within a year, a survey shows. The study, which saw the People's Vaccine Alliance interview 77 epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists from around the world, found about 66% of them think the virus will mutate so much that first-generation vaccines will be unable to prevent infection within 12 months. Of that group, nearly one-fifth believe it would occur within six months and one-third said within nine months. Another 18.2% think it will be at least two years. But fewer than one in eight experts think the vaccines will be able to withstand future mutations of the virus. It comes as manufacturers of the currently available injections including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca are now working on booster doses to ward off mutations of Covid-19. It is hoped an additional jab, given six to 12 months after the first two doses, may help to protect against variants including the Brazil, South African and UK strains. In February, Pfizer started offering a third dose to 144 volunteers who took part in the vaccine's early-stage testing in the US last year. And Moderna started clinical trials of a booster jab earlier this month, with volunteers who took part in the.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/31/mutant-covid-could-make-vaccines-useless-within-a-year-warn-experts-14333429/?ito=cbshare.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK.
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/.I suppose an annual covid 19 vaccination could become the norm, like we have annual flu influenza shots now for the annually new flu mutations.
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There is plenty of evidence that proves tipping doesn't improve service, if anything it ensures decline of attitude and increased sense of entitlement.I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?
Member #4733
04-02-21, 15:59
You are very correct. My mistake. Was just rushing through a post. Some 1 hour sessions in Thailand last 30 minutes too especially in Soi 6, G Clubs, FL, FS massage joints, etc.In Thailand I do not get much more time than 45 minutes. I don't like regulars. I am a one-time-only and move on. Maybe that is the reason I get poor service in Thailand?
Agree Germany has way hotter girls. Remember back in 2012 when it was predominantly Czech, Hungarian, Polish, German, Russian, etc. Some were true model quality. Germany went downhill with the Romanian invasion. Problem is I like to party outside the club and this is difficult in Germany with only my regular girls willing to go out to do things outside the club.Talking about the past is difficult because everybody has his own time window and preferences. First time I went to an FKK was in 2012. Many men in Holland tell me that was after the heyday in FKK land. But I liked it very much. On the other hand my top session was in 2018 with a Romanian girl. And all the posts here show that everybody has his own opinion. And you are correct that there is not much space to go out with girls beyond the club. But it happens to men that visit the same club often. If you want, you have to take them shopping first. Just give them wheels. If you want to party in a club then go to Samya in Cologne. That is beyond imagination. Just go there once and avoid the official holidays. For example on Good Friday they won't play the music loud till midnight out of respect for the Christian holidays. They are Turkish themselves. In Thailand I mostly like gogo's and just treat the girls with lady drinks. Somehow the sex in Thailand doesn't satisfy me. Too little skills or willingness. I don't know but the atmosphere is great.
SinfullyKorean
04-02-21, 17:59
I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.
SinfullyKorean
04-02-21, 23:58
"Americans who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can safely travel at home and abroad, as long as they take basic precautions like wearing masks. ".
Hopefully, this will be taken into consideration as Thailand revises their quarantine policies. Why wait for 70% inoculation if the tourists are vaccinated and safe?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/health/cdc-travel-vaccinations.html
Mr Enternational
04-03-21, 03:26
I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?
I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?
I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.
How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?
Crocodilexp
04-03-21, 10:08
not taking advantage of a girls circumstancesWe're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.
Under different circumstances, the same girl in the US or western Europe, having had decent educational opportunities and a solid pool of potential husbands, most likely wouldn't be going with an old git like me at all.
There's nothing wrong with minimizing your costs, as long as you treat people with respect. The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.
MutantChicken
04-03-21, 10:43
I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?https://www.infosurv.com/does-tipping-encourage-better-customer-service/#text=Generally%2 C%20 how%20 much%20 people%20 tip, with%20 the%20 quality%20 of%20 service. &text=The%20 same%20 study%20 found%20 in, weakly%20 correlated%20 with%20 bigger%20 tips.
"he same study found in surveys that people say they tip almost exclusively based on the level of service, however, in field studies in actual restaurants find that better service is weakly correlated with bigger tips. ".
Now am I saying that if you are a weak beta male who is unattractive you cannot use the carrot of a big tip to increase your value, sure you can.
What I'm getting at is best illustrated by these examples.
Situation 1 Newbie monger gets the standard fuck and suck and he is blown away can't sing enough of her praises pays 2000.
Situation 2 Pinkpearl comes along and promises a "big tip" for good service, she again gives the standard fuck and suck that she got praised for earlier, but PP said that's the norm not excellent service refuses a tip they argue and everyone leaves unhappy.
Situation 3 "tipper" guy comes along and same thing happens standard suck and fuck tips 1000 baht as he happy.
Situation 4 "tipper2" guy comes along standard suck and fuck, this time tips 500 baht again argument as she says last time got 1000 now why 500 baht he relents as doesn't want trouble.
Situation 5 Average monger comes along and she says I want 1000 baht tip I make you happy OK, IE now her expectation is 1000 baht on top of her 2000 fee to do exactly what she did with Sit 1.
Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.Taiwan is a developed country. It is much cheaper than in USA. Healthcae is substantially cheaper. A visit with everything out of pocket is cheaper than my US copay. A first class haircut is less than $20 including wash. Padi+madi is $10. A good omasake can be had for less than $30. A very good oamasake less than $50. Prostitution is illegal. A good session with a beautiful girl can be had for under $70/ HR, lower if the girls are older.
Mr Enternational
04-03-21, 13:07
We're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.Likewise they are taking advantage of our circumstances. Is that not what a market is? An exchange of needs, wants, goods, services, and currency. When you go buy an item at the grocery store are you taking advantage of the grocer that is exchanging the product you need for money, or is he taking advantage of you? You are taking advantage of each other I would think.
Under different circumstances in the US or Western Europe a man would take a chick out and spend a considerable amount on dinner and shit IN HOPES of getting some pussy. A chick can go out with 5 different dudes each week getting a fully belly and fulfilling the hopes of none of the guys. Who has the advantage in that?
The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.
The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.It is also used by broke ass chicks around the world in attempts to shame men out of their money. Glad is does not work on me.
MutantChicken
04-03-21, 13:34
I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?Because now girls are asking a tip as part of the negotiation IE how much you tip me or tip me xyz I give you good service etc etc etc or they simply add the tip as part of the price IE 2000 become 3000 due to all the guys tipping 1000 for just a girls normal service so she now thinks she worth 3000 and that becomes the new base market rate.
Crocodilexp
04-03-21, 15:50
The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.
However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.
For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.
Vagabundo1
04-03-21, 16:02
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2014/08/07/a-personal-choice
A superb article, appropo to all mongers everywhere.
We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.
However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.
For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.
MutantChicken
04-03-21, 19:50
Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.
How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?You seem bent on examining things in isolation, you think tipping improves attitude, guess what so do many other men, and their accumulative action of tipping is what creates the norm to these girls. Of course your individual actions won't do much by itself. So the fact you don't do repeats is a moot point. Have you considered that maybe the reason that these girls you deem unworthy of a tip, maybe that way due to the behavior of mongers in the past. The most common complaint I hear from men about a girls attitude is demanding tips or asking for tips even before service has began.
Or another possibility is maybe she just isn't into you, but I would have thought given your examples, offering a BIG tip would change most girls from a being cold fish to a hot ready to please fucklet. Seems to me this disproves your theory that tipping improves service.
I will concede, that if you are a below average man in appearance or charisma IE you are so physically ugly or so obnoxious and annoying that you need to pay extra (call it a tip) to get a woman to agree to fuck you, or if you are requesting something that is out of the norm or dangerous (most sane people would consider bareback sex with a prostitute not the norm and unsafe) then you would have to pay extra (call that a tip).
Anyway like I said, guys who want to tip, overpay or call it whatever you want, can do as you please as its your money, but no way in hell will I be divulging where I find my 19 yrs old to fuck for 20 dollars, or the equivalent gem finds in the applicable countries. Feel free to pay as much as you like for women who already are overpriced, as these are not the waters I fish in.
HorseTrader
04-03-21, 20:04
However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said “why else would a man go to Thailand?”
I have several Thai friends in USA and they are supportive of what I do. They view it as recreation for me and financial support for the girls and their family.
Getting closer, but still seems like a lifetime!
Mr Enternational
04-03-21, 20:15
All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said why else would a man go to Thailand?I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.
HorseTrader
04-03-21, 20:43
I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.In USA we can thank our schools and churches for that view.
You seem bent on examining things in isolation, you think tipping improves attitude, guess what so do many other men, and their accumulative action of tipping is what creates the norm to these girls.Please show me, sir, where I ever said that I think tipping improves attitude. The topic being addressed is service, not attitude.
As for attitude if you tip a waiter 100 USD they are probably going to be happy, thrilled and you will have likely made their day. With also an instant attitude improvement towards their benefactors.
As for what creates the norm to these girls, the more they get paid all the power to them. Are you familiar with the story of Robin Hood.
Many foreign mongers spend thousands in air fare and hotels to spend a while in Siam. Why should they haggle over or be concerned about spending a relatively few extra dollars while having the time of their life with a Thai lady? Those dollars mean little to the monger, but a whole lot to many poor Thai women and their families.
Have you considered that maybe the reason that these girls you deem unworthy of a tip, maybe that way due to the behavior of mongers in the past.The reason the 90% were deemed unworthy of a repeat or tip is because they were not up to the standard of the other 10% who were worthy of being regulars or keepers. More specifically their attitude and or services provided were not up to snuff. Some of the services I was interested in included BBFS bareback full service sex, or one hour long BBBJ bareback blow job, or rimming for an extended duration, or DFK for an hour or three, or continual balls licking and many others that I won't bore you with by listing. A one minute BJ or no kissing doesn't really cut it, amongst various other causes for being not repeat worthy.
The most common complaint I hear from men about a girls attitude is demanding tips or asking for tips even before service has began.In having spent many months in Thailand seeing Bangkok streetwalkers I can't say I've ever encountered that kind of an upsell that sometimes occurs in Western prostitution. Have things changed that much in a few years since I was there in 2014. I doubt it. In the vast majority of cases I've found Thai females attitudes are at least quite decent, if not even excellent.
Or another possibility is maybe she just isn't into you, but I would have thought given your examples, offering a BIG tip would change most girls from a being cold fish to a hot ready to please fucklet. Seems to me this disproves your theory that tipping improves service.IME the few times I've ever offered a huge tip to get a lady to do something she was reluctant to do, it was generally successful. So, yes, that's evidence that tipping in such a situation often improves service, IOW it got me the service that I wanted.
The fact that I found, as a jaded monger, that 90% were not worthy of repeats, has no bearing on whether or not a big tip would have proven successful in getting what I wanted from those sessions, because I generally did not offer such a big tip during those sessions. In general I just let the ladies take the lead and do what they were into doing. If they asked me what I wanted, then I might tell them but not press the issue if they were reluctant.
Anyway like I said, guys who want to tip, overpay or call it whatever you want, can do as you please as its your money, but no way in hell will I be divulging where I find my 19 yrs old to fuck for 20 dollars, or the equivalent gem finds in the applicable countries. Feel free to pay as much as you like for women who already are overpriced, as these are not the waters I fish in.Sure, keep the inside info to yourself. Why wouldn't you. You wouldn't want to spoil your market or have ladies demanding higher prices. Personally I'm happy for relatively poor PFP pay for play gals getting more money from richer Koreans, Japanese, Americans and every other nationality. The story of Robin Hood comes to mind.
All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said why else would a man go to Thailand?
I have several Thai friends in USA and they are supportive of what I do. They view it as recreation for me and financial support for the girls and their family.I suppose it depends on the sort of society in which one lives. I would never tell anyone I know that I am going to another country to bang hookers. If I'm going to Colombia, Brazil, the Philippines or Thailand I do not tell anyone that I am going there but lie and say another country where I usually go for work if I tell them at all. I tell them when I'm going to Germany though where I go to quite often.
My brother introduced me to mongering in the early 1970's but he no longer does that and just drinks and hangs out with his buddies now. I used to tell him about my exploits but stopped about 12 years ago after his slightly contemptuous reaction to a verbal Colombia trip report. My circle of associates are very judgmental and I actually seek to avoid their company as much as possible.
https://www.infosurv.com/does-tipping-encourage-better-customer-service/#text=Generally%2 C%20 how%20 much%20 people%20 tip, with%20 the%20 quality%20 of%20 service. &text=The%20 same%20 study%20 found%20 in, weakly%20 correlated%20 with%20 bigger%20 tips.
"he same study found in surveys that people say they tip almost exclusively based on the level of service, however, in field studies in actual restaurants find that better service is weakly correlated with bigger tips. ".That article refers to tipping in certain restaurants, etc, not prostitution. And tipping after the service is completed not offered beforehand as a promise if a specific service (such as BBFS, DATO, DFK) is performed. So it has no relevance to the type of tipping I was referring to. And does not constitute evidence against it. OTOH the following second restaurant example is additional evidence, on top of what my previous posts have stated, in favor of the view that the type of tipping I refer to works and can be highly successful:
"Tony Gill, professor of political science at the University of Washington, believes in tipping, and he has a favourite story about it. He's a fan of US football team the Seattle Seahawks. Every week he goes to his favourite bar, where a stool is reserved for him on game days. One week he had to travel for work, and the bar called to see whether he was OK. That, he says, is how good service quality becomes when you tip.
"Social psychologist Mike Lynn also has a favourite tipping story, but it's a bit different. He was working at a fine dining restaurant during his student days when a customer called him over and slapped a pile of US $5 notes on the table. The customer declared the money was Lynn's tip, but that he'd take away one fiver for every time his glass went unfilled, his ashtray unemptied, or any other issue that arose. Lynn ended up pocketing a big tip."
https://www.intheblack.com/articles/2019/04/01/does-tipping-encourage-great-service
Now am I saying that if you are a weak beta male who is unattractive you cannot use the carrot of a big tip to increase your value, sure you can.
What I'm getting at is best illustrated by these examples.
Situation 1 Newbie monger gets the standard fuck and suck and he is blown away can't sing enough of her praises pays 2000.
Situation 2 Pinkpearl comes along and promises a "big tip" for good service, she again gives the standard fuck and suck that she got praised for earlier, but PP said that's the norm not excellent service refuses a tip they argue and everyone leaves unhappy.
Situation 3 "tipper" guy comes along and same thing happens standard suck and fuck tips 1000 baht as he happy.I wouldn't do what you imagine me doing above. For one thing I don't speak Thai and wouldn't trust that the lady would understand in English what I'm talking about if had ever spoken to any of them about a tip for good service. Secondly, it is too vague and, as you correctly pointed out, can lead to misunderstanding and unhappiness. How is she going to guess what is meant by good service. Is she a mind reader. Obviously not. OTOH when she says must have condom and I say big tip for no condom and she jumps on my bare erect rock hard joy stick, evidently the deal is understood and sealed.
if you are requesting something that is out of the norm or dangerous (most sane people would consider bareback sex with a prostitute not the norm and unsafe) then you would have to pay extra (call that a tip).In this era of covid and its ever deadlier mutations, I wonder if most people would consider kissing a prostitute to be the norm and safe, either in 2020,2021, 2022 or thereafter. Which is more dangerous, BBFS precovid o -lunhnnr DFK during covid with a PFP pay for play gal. Of course if one really wants to be safe, they can stay home, keep away from any form of sex with prostitutes or anyone else, and wank to internet porn and sex dolls. That would be safer re pregnancy and STIs as well as being cheaper and perhaps better sex as well. So how safe do you want to be. That's what I've been doing the past six years or so as I build up my bankroll for something different in South East Asia in latter 2021 or 2022. As far as bareback sex is concerned, as I've proven via many of my old posts, it's quite possible to do that in a way that is as safe as those who typically use condoms. By means off HIV testing, coitus interruptus, vasectomy, circumcision, etc. Been there, done that.
When this all started, I wrote this will be all about "the haves, the have nots, inequality, and social injustice" spotlighted by a global pandemic that seems to have no end. Nothing has change. Look around the world and you are seeing a perfect storm brewing with all the chaos. I suggest people go out and do whatever is on your bucket list or fuck whatever hot girl you can find or have an orgy. The end is the end.Hate to say, I told you so, but I told you so. Haves versus Have Nots. There is a reason why they are only closing "entertainment and sex" venues, blocking Facebook videos and pages, and quieting workers.
https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/pimp-turned-whistleblower-chuvit-blames-vvips-who-pack-thonglor-titty-clubs-for-endless-covid-video/
Crocodilexp
04-11-21, 14:27
tipping... offered beforehand as a promise if a specific service (such as BBFS, DATO, DFK) is performed.A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.
However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.
I only tip if a girl has gone above and beyond, and never tell her beforehand I might tip her. Happens in maybe 20%-30% of the sessions in Thailand these days, and usually no more than token 100-200 baht. As for negotiation, I might ask to confirm if certain things (like BBBJ or 2 shots) are available, but don't offer extra money for them on top of the agreed on session price. If she doesn't do it, too bad, move on to the next one.
Explorer8939
04-11-21, 16:08
Covid-19 is spiking up in Thailand, particularly in Bangkok, where it spread rapidly through the bars frequented by High Society Thais. It looks like this wave is the Big One the government has been worried about. Bars are closed in Bangkok and Pattaya.
Expat American
04-11-21, 16:49
Singapore before Covid you could get a 40 USD fuck at a legal brothel or a 80 USD GFE hour with a hot girl in her 20's. Not Singaporean girls but imported Thai, Chinese or Viet girls. Even now with the borders close you can get a decent GFE and massage for about 120 USD.
Crocodilexp
04-11-21, 22:26
Singapore before Covid you could get a 40 USD fuck at a legal brothel or a 80 USD GFE hour with a hot girl in her 20's. Not Singaporean girls but imported Thai, Chinese or Viet girls. Even now with the borders close you can get a decent GFE and massage for about 120 USD.GFE with a PRC or Viet worker in Singapore for 80 USD (100 SGD)!? You were either insanely lucky or have really low expectations about what GFE means.
Don't get me wrong, Singapore is OK for cheap-ish sex (though Malaysia is cheaper), but GFE is certainly not easy to find, at least not whatever I'd call GFE.
Banana Boi
04-12-21, 05:21
Singapore is a first world country with cheap sex
Singapore before Covid you could get a 40 USD fuck at a legal brothel or a 80 USD GFE hour with a hot girl in her 20's. Not Singaporean girls but imported Thai, Chinese or Viet girls. I've been to Singapore a few times but am definitely no expert on their scene. Where is the 40 USD legal brothel? Geylang? An insider tip would be great. Their are certainly some young cute Viet girls at Ipanema. Way way better than in BC and TC in Malaysia. I definitely wasn't quoted 80 USD but price for the quality is very good. Also met a top gogo quality Thai girl in one of the "gogo" bars in Orchard Towers.
The problem with Singapore is that hotels are extremely expensive near Orchard Towers or Marina Bay. I include that 200/300+ USD per night in my hobby expense. I'm assuming OT or Brix girls will not be willing to go across town to a budget hotel in Geylang. Beautiful girls but imo too expensive. It is my second favorite city in Asia behind Tokyo.
A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.True, if one includes in the definition of a tip it necessarily being a "genuine heartfelt gift", then what I described is not necessarily a tip. Though it might still involve such a type of voluntary tipping if the agreed upon specified service was rendered in such an amazing way that I gave a much larger amount than I would have otherwise for just an average or poor performance of the required service. Moreover there are also other types of tipping besides voluntary tipping that are mandatory payments called "mandatory tipping" that do not fit that particular definition. I'd suggest googling the topic. Similarly, as with this example and usage of the word tip:
"Social psychologist Mike Lynn also has a favourite tipping story, but it's a bit different. He was working at a fine dining restaurant during his student days when a customer called him over and slapped a pile of US $5 notes on the table. The customer declared the money was Lynn's tip, but that he'd take away one fiver for every time his glass went unfilled, his ashtray unemptied, or any other issue that arose. Lynn ended up pocketing a big tip."
https://www.intheblack.com/articles/2019/04/01/does-tipping-encourage-great-service
Likewise I could slap a pile of 10 one thousand baht notes on the table and declare them a hooker's tips if she performed 10 certain services. For each one that she didn't do, I'd take away 1000 baht from her tips.
An upsell by a hooker is when she offers to sell an extra specific service for a set price, such as, for an example, anal for an additional 100 USD, beyond the initial specified set price for basic services, such as 300 USD, for a total of 400 USD. OTOH my offer of a tip differs from such an upsell in that it is not about me selling anything, but buying, and there may be no mention of setting a definite price amount for anything, including the pre tip basic services. So the final amount the PFP gal gets is up to me and may largely involve a "genuine heartfelt gift" as per your seemingly narrow definition of the word tipping.
However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.
I only tip if a girl has gone above and beyond, and never tell her beforehand I might tip her. Happens in maybe 20%-30% of the sessions in Thailand these days, and usually no more than token 100-200 baht. As for negotiation, I might ask to confirm if certain things (like BBBJ or 2 shots) are available, but don't offer extra money for them on top of the agreed on session price. If she doesn't do it, too bad, move on to the next one.Having been with dozens of Thai ladies I've never considered DFK, or kissing in general, as something they "should" do. Neither is it something they tended to voluntarily and spontaneously offer with a new client. In fact there was quite a bit of resistance to it from some, though some other gals were game when asked to engage in it. OTOH BBBJ IME has been usually performed without even a mention, though even that was not guaranteed in every case and I would not opine they are under any obligation to do that either. If I ever felt entitled to such as a jaded monger living for months at a time in LOS, I don't now. As for taking off their bra, I don't recall that ever being an issue. Usually the lady goes for a shower and comes out naked or with a towel on her which is soon removed, even if she claims to be shy. Concerning DATY, not personally interested, and ditto per my remarks re DFK.
Regarding your mode of operation, sir, to each their own. Whatever works for you. Different strokes for different folks. Best of luck. The fun has just begun.
"The poverty got to me. Seeing them with so little and struggling day to day. Was doing 'my part,' but was it enough? Wished I could be a native Robin Hood. Steal from the rich and give to the poor. The rich had so many loaves of bread they would go moldy. Would they miss them?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/robin-hood
Some people know what they're talking about.
Sometimes I mention the tip before hand though. "If you do a good job I'll tip you. " And I let her take it from there. It usually ends up in good service, but you can't really prove it's because of the tip because she might have preformed that way anyway.
A promise of additional money for specific service beforehand is NOT a tip. It's an upsell. No idea why people insist on using "a tip" as a euphemism, but it's no more a tip than "un petit cadeau" given to a corrupt official to get out of trouble is a genuine heartfelt gift. Now, there's nothing wrong with negotiating before the session, some guys need to be clear on services provided (especially if it's something non-standard like A+) but let's call it for what it is.
However, negotiating / offering extra money for what should be services (like BBBJ, DFK, DATY) encourages the worst of behaviors in the girls. The a-la-carte sex is one of the most depressing aspects of paid sex, sadly common across the world. One major reason why people go to places like Thailand or The Philippines is precisely to avoid that, and have some illusion of a smooth sex session, rather than having to fight for every single thing, including taking off the bra.
Like it isn't obvious to what they are trying to do. Last year this time, 50 cases a day, everything is locked down, and curfew. Fast forward one year, 1500 cases a day. Only entertainment venues closed. Festivals going on and everything else open and suddenly the migrant workers are all clear and clean. They are targeting now. How desperate do they need foreign dollars?
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/16/phuket-urges-all-foreigners-who-went-to-nightlife-venues-that-held-large-parties-to-come-forward/?fbclid=IwAR2pjmTcTDSd9PFFZvQqPouUjsXf7DAsF8pA8V0xuWHtWfq2dNNEKNpbn80
What's next? Have the Thai locals point out where all the tourists and foreigners are hiding?
Like it isn't obvious to what they are trying to do. Last year this time, 50 cases a day, everything is locked down, and curfew. Fast forward one year, 1500 cases a day. Only entertainment venues closed. Festivals going on and everything else open and suddenly the migrant workers are all clear and clean. They are targeting now. How desperate do they need foreign dollars?
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/16/phuket-urges-all-foreigners-who-went-to-nightlife-venues-that-held-large-parties-to-come-forward/?fbclid=IwAR2pjmTcTDSd9PFFZvQqPouUjsXf7DAsF8pA8V0xuWHtWfq2dNNEKNpbn80
What's next? Have the Thai locals point out where all the tourists and foreigners are hiding?Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.
Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.To date, the list is over 100 venues (and growing) named including well known spots frequented by foreigners like Soi 6 bars, Banglamung Police Station, Jomtien Immigration, Walking Street clubs, and LK Metro. Eventually it will be the entire Pattaya. It's pretty ridiculous because I don't see Bangkok putting out an extensive list like this. If you think about contact tracing on an infected person, even an asymptomatic (but still infected or not), it's pretty impossible to do exponentially. Is it just me that hits up 7-11 three times a day, but I don't see that on a list, WTF? They have even listed Sugar Baby Agogo which I don't even remember opening and same with that Ice Bar with the Polar Bear as well. My thoughts is this is a ploy to blame those who frequent entertainment venues (foreigners mainly), so that they can socially pressure them (us) into coming in and paying 3,800 baht for a COVID test. I even asked some the Thai workers whose jobs are at a few of the named places and they aren't getting COVID tests unless they are showing symptoms (at least the smart ones). But they want the foreigner to come in no matter what, sick or not. All the while, Kite Festival was going on and locals flocked to Koh Larn. Shifting blame seems to be the popular thing with those in charge. Farrangs, gamblers, migrants, and now those who enjoy entertainment are in the spotlight. You would have to test yourself multiple times in the span of 2 weeks to have some real assurance you aren't positive. This isn't syphilis we are talking about. With the threat of quarantine, I think they are scaring people into a self lockdown, without saying "lockdown." Just the same with they won't say "curfew" but all businesses closed between 11 pm-4 am. Now I feel like Anne Frank. Imagine if the local people ever got really educated here in Thailand.
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/18/timeline-chonburi-public-health-department-informs-people-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-chonburi-confirmed-covid-19-cases/
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hDdQ_dpPY9j8VKZxHfyxmsc6FcXXRpGh?usp=sharing
Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.This put a fork in it for me: https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-health-minister-has-a-slash-at-dirty-farang.
SL.
Mr Enternational
04-18-21, 17:20
Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.You would let someone steal your joy that easily? There has not been a day that I have been walking around Thailand or anyplace else on this planet worrying about how other people were viewing me. You can probably bet that in all places you would go someone is going to view you in some kind of way. Why even worry about it. Mind your own business and make your own fun instead of allowing others to be in charge of your dignity. To me Thailand has always been about people being themselves. We have some strange characters walking around Pattaya and I like that they can just be themselves.
Banana Boi
04-18-21, 18:06
Honestly, it's reading this type of thing every other day that's made me scratch any plans to retire in Thailand. No thanks, would rather find somewhere where I am not viewed as a pest and can maintain a fair amount of dignity.Which country would that be? Scratch all of Asia off your list if you are a Farang. No matter where you go in the world you will be viewed as a foreigner unless of course your ancestors are Spanish and you decide to retire in Spain. Think of how a Thai man is treated in Germany. I'm certain they aren't treated as an equal by the Germans.
Which country would that be?https://internationalliving.com/the-best-places-to-retire/
SL.
To date, the list is over 100 venues (and growing) It looks like it is all closing down again if I read correctly. Pattaya is a red zona as of Apr 30th.
... Think of how a Thai man is treated in Germany. I'm certain they aren't treated as an equal by the Germans.Uh ... yes they are. Any Thai will pay the same price to visit museums etc as Germans pay, the reverse would be in violation of EU law and have the media up in arms. Any Thai involved in a road accident will be considered by police and the courts as "Party A or B". If the Thai national was the wronged party or the one who was involved in the accident through no fault of their own, the case will be decided against the German guy (even if the German guy is a big shot in government or industry). Happens all the time in Europe. This doesn't mean that (especially local) police can't be prejudiced in favour of local people sometimes, but this is frowned upon and there's no bias culture against foreigners. What there is is a systemic bias in favour of wymmyns (Thai or not) in family law and criminal law, like everywhere in the West.
Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end. I nearly got a nervous break-down in February jumping the hoops to get back to Thailand in March. Three weeks after I got out of my 16-day quarantine, entertainments venues were ordered shut. Three weeks' mongering is what I got for all my trouble.
If Europe was not 2 months behind the US with vaccination I would fly back now, get my jabs, and see where I can travel next.
Banana Boi
04-19-21, 04:48
Uh ... yes they are. I didn't just randomly make up my post. I was in Germany with an Asian American who had racial slurs flung his way and 60+ year old Germans calling him "Bruce Lee" and making kung fu hand movements. He's not even Chinese! This happened at GT. Pretty sure this isn't being treated with equality and dignity.
Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end.
A risk we all need to take into account when we decide to travel anywhere. The world is in lockdown now. It may not change any time soon. I almost went to Germany earlier this year when there was a small window to go. Decided not to since I thought FKK clubs may shut down soon. Luckily I didn't go because a week later FKK clubs closed and still have not reopened.
I didn't just randomly make up my post. I was in Germany with an Asian American who had racial slurs flung his way and over 60 Germans calling him "Bruce Lee" and making kung fu hand movements. He's not even Chinese! This happened at GT. Pretty sure this isn't being treated with equality and dignity.At Golden Times? Not exactly a German place. 80% of the patrons non-Germans. But GT had its own arbitrary door policy. Even Germans regularly got turned away from what I read. I never was, though noticeably not looking like a Northern type. Maybe because I drove an upper mid-size car. Your Bruce Lee friend should count himself lucky having been let in. Such discriminatory door policies are rare in Germany, mostly confined to entertainment places (sex and discos).
Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end. I nearly got a nervous break-down in February jumping the hoops to get back to Thailand in March. Three weeks after I got out of my 16-day quarantine, entertainments venues were ordered shut. Three weeks' mongering is what I got for all my trouble.
If Europe was not 2 months behind the US with vaccination I would fly back now, get my jabs, and see where I can travel next.You did get to have a cheap lunch with Monkeypaw. That alone should be worth your troubles. LOL.
Banana Boi
04-19-21, 05:17
Your Bruce Lee friend should count himself lucky having been let in. Such discriminatory door policies are rare in Germany, mostly confined to entertainment places (sex and discos).He was with me and I was pretty close with door girl Heidi/Monika since she was one of my regular girls. Asians do not have problems getting in to Goldentime. There are tons of them in there. Only time I saw an Asian turned away is because he looked like a gangbanger. Blacks and Indians have almost zero chance of getting in. Even dark skinned Europeans have issues. Definitely no Turks. Germans and Dutch who can't get in have been blackballed.
I personally get along great with German men. Not so much Dutch men.
You would let someone steal your joy that easily? There has not been a day that I have been walking around Thailand or anyplace else on this planet worrying about how other people were viewing me. You can probably bet that in all places you would go someone is going to view you in some kind of way. Why even worry about it. Mind your own business and make your own fun instead of allowing others to be in charge of your dignity. To me Thailand has always been about people being themselves. We have some strange characters walking around Pattaya and I like that they can just be themselves.There you go. Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
I didn't just randomly make up my post. I was in Germany with an Asian American who had racial slurs flung his way and 60+ year old Germans calling him "Bruce Lee" and making kung fu hand movements. He's not even Chinese! This happened at GT. Pretty sure this isn't being treated with equality and dignityYou are mistaking individuals being racist to broad racism by a society including the government. Do you read newspaper articles every other day in Germany that imply that Thais or Asians are behind the spread of covid, or does the government campaign against that type of thinking.
Sure there are racists in Germany and sure not all Thais are racist. But this is not what we are talking about here.
And what does this have to do with being yourself or being an individual, this is about constantly reading the news to find that a whole race is behind all the ills of the society, or any ill they can find an excuse for. Could you imagine the German foreign minister on the news saying ' be careful of the dirty Asians'.
End of his job.
You would let someone steal your joy that easily? There has not been a day that I have been walking around Thailand or anyplace else on this planet worrying about how other people were viewing me. You can probably bet that in all places you would go someone is going to view you in some kind of way. Why even worry about it. Mind your own business and make your own fun instead of allowing others to be in charge of your dignity. To me Thailand has always been about people being themselves. We have some strange characters walking around Pattaya and I like that they can just be themselves.I'm not going to get spat on and say 'I'm not going to let them steal my joy.' Because I do have some dignity, or whatever is left it it, to maintain. I can go somewhere else with my money and enjoy myself. And this has nothing to do with how individual people view me or me being myself. Most of us would agree we don't give a flying fluke what other individuals think. I'm talking about the whole society and reading every other day that everyone who looks like you is behind whatever the vice of the day is.
If I feel I need Thai ass that bad I'll catch a flight and scratch my itch. No need to live there.
Uh ... yes they are. Any Thai will pay the same price to visit museums etc as Germans pay, the reverse would be in violation of EU law and have the media up in arms. Any Thai involved in a road accident will be considered by police and the courts as "Party A or B". If the Thai national was the wronged party or the one who was involved in the accident through no fault of their own, the case will be decided against the German guy (even if the German guy is a big shot in government or industry). Happens all the time in Europe. This doesn't mean that (especially local) police can't be prejudiced in favour of local people sometimes, but this is frowned upon and there's no bias culture against foreigners. What there is is a systemic bias in favour of wymmyns (Thai or not) in family law and criminal law, like everywhere in the West.
Pattaya closing down. Even swimming pools. Pisses me off no end. I nearly got a nervous break-down in February jumping the hoops to get back to Thailand in March. Three weeks after I got out of my 16-day quarantine, entertainments venues were ordered shut. Three weeks' mongering is what I got for all my trouble.
If Europe was not 2 months behind the US with vaccination I would fly back now, get my jabs, and see where I can travel next.Maybe you could consider the situation to your advantage? Having just got out of quarantine yesterday and sitting in Bangkok as I write this. I hope Thailand completely closes travel again. Zero entry into the country. It is selfish of me to say but now that I made it I feel the fewer people here the cheaper the rent and the more girls there are available.
Maybe you could consider the situation to your advantage? Having just got out of quarantine yesterday and sitting in Bangkok as I write this. I hope Thailand completely closes travel again. Zero entry into the country. It is selfish of me to say but now that I made it I feel the fewer people here the cheaper the rent and the more girls there are available.I really hope the gov't will get it's act together and vaccine EVERYONE.
NRandom940
04-22-21, 01:57
Maybe you could consider the situation to your advantage? Having just got out of quarantine yesterday and sitting in Bangkok as I write this. I hope Thailand completely closes travel again. Zero entry into the country. It is selfish of me to say but now that I made it I feel the fewer people here the cheaper the rent and the more girls there are available.Is Nana Plaza open?
Maybe you could consider the situation to your advantage? Having just got out of quarantine yesterday and sitting in Bangkok as I write this. I hope Thailand completely closes travel again. Zero entry into the country. It is selfish of me to say but now that I made it I feel the fewer people here the cheaper the rent and the more girls there are available.Have you seen a lot of girls available in the past 2-3 days? Where? P4P girls, I mean.
Is Nana Plaza open?If I may jump in to answer, no, Nana Plaza is not open. Neither is Soi Cowboy. That includes go-go bars and beer bars. The Soi 7 bar complex is also closed. In terms of physically present girls there is a handful that show up outside of Thermae at night, a few strays down Sukhumvit Road, a very few strays on Soi 4 and fewer who show up in or near Beer Garden at cart bars some nights.
Quality of looks is mostly below average to atrocious. Some lookers might be found in those Thermae clusters. But good luck swinging anything resembling the level of attractiveness and performance you could get on an ordinary night at a go-go bar during normal times.
Dating sites? Few quality girls are still in Bangkok even though their profiles say they are. Lots of chatting for nothing. The ones who are still in town and agree to meet a Covid Carrier? If she is a 7 in her photos expect a 5 to show up. The 7s in photos but 5s in real life are most likely the only ones still in town who can show up.
As always, YMMV.
Have you seen a lot of girls available in the past 2-3 days? Where? P4P girls, I mean.I'm here but I might be the wrong person to ask because I don't know what things were like in the past. This is my first time in Bangkok and first time mongering in Thailand. I figured out how to ride the Skytrain at least.
That said here's what I can tell you. I'm near BTS Asok / Nana and from only walking around my nearby streets I've seen some massage places open with a few girls outside / inside. One girl catcalled me and I went over to say Hi which lead to my first massage parlor experience. As we were talking she told me to be quiet and whisper. It was 400 baht to the massage place and we agreed on 1000 baht for her to come back to my hotel with me. I'll skip the details because it was straight forward. Smiley girl, decent looking. I will add that I was happy there was no discussion of using a condom so as is my preference we did BBFS CIP.
Sorry that's the extent of what I'm able to share. If it means anything, the restaurant connected to my hotel when I was looking at the menu outside one of the workers came over and whispered to me that they are still serving alcohol. In summary I think it's like a lot of things in Thailand where there is the written rule and what happens in actuality. On that note, one thing that genuinely surprised me being here is the high mask wearing adherence. I'll be honest, as someone in their 20's in good health that is already vaccinated, I was disappointed mask wearing seems to be taken seriously here.
I'm here but I might be the wrong person to ask because I don't know what things were like in the past. This is my first time in Bangkok and first time mongering in Thailand. I figured out how to ride the Skytrain at least.
That said here's what I can tell you. I'm near BTS Asok / Nana and from only walking around my nearby streets I've seen some massage places open with a few girls outside / inside. One girl catcalled me and I went over to say Hi which lead to my first massage parlor experience. As we were talking she told me to be quiet and whisper. It was 400 baht to the massage place and we agreed on 1000 baht for her to come back to my hotel with me. I'll skip the details because it was straight forward. Smiley girl, decent looking. I will add that I was happy there was no discussion of using a condom so as is my preference we did BBFS CIP.
Sorry that's the extent of what I'm able to share. If it means anything, the restaurant connected to my hotel when I was looking at the menu outside one of the workers came over and whispered to me that they are still serving alcohol. In summary I think it's like a lot of things in Thailand where there is the written rule and what happens in actuality. On that note, one thing that genuinely surprised me being here is the high mask wearing adherence. I'll be honest, as someone in their 20's in good health that is already vaccinated, I was disappointed mask wearing seems to be taken seriously here.Welcome to Thailand for your first time! I don't know if things will ever be back to how it was pre-Covid. But the way things are in Bangkok today is nothing like the way it was and I am sorry your timing was a bit unfortunate. I had a similar bad timing experience for my initial trips to Thailand in the early/mid-1990's in that the first big push for condom condom condom use was taking place and my prefernce being the same as yours was extremely difficult to find. For me.
btw, I am not one of those people who nit picks and cares all that much whether or not another member's posts are perfectly pertinent to the thread, exactly on topic, provide valuable information, help or inform me or, frankly, anyone else directly. So please share your impressions of whatever whevever the notion strikes you.
Many times just the sharing triggers a response or responses from others and some of them are bound to be helpful and informative to somebody reading them. If not, it's easy enough to skim and skip past them. And the Moderators will deal with the real time wasting posts.
If I go to Thailand on a visa on entry, I can get up to three months there I think. I want to stay much longer. Should I figure out how to stay much longer before I go or can I figure out things there after I arrive just as easily? I used to just do visa runs. I want to stay at least 9 months. I want to stay through winter.
Thank you for any help or advice.
https://www.tatnews.org/2021/04/entry-thailand-online-information-centre-launched-for-vaccinated-international-visitors/
Step 1: Registration for the Certificate of Entry (COE). Results for pre-approval may take three days.
Step 2: Flight booking on either a repatriation flight or semi-commercial flight. Tickets must be purchased within 15 days after receiving the pre-approved COE.
Step 3: Book and submit confirmation of the Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) hotel booking within 15 days after receiving the pre-approved COE. Any ASQ accommodation booked via the "Entry Thailand" system will automatically report the booking status to the COE system, or upload proof of confirmation in the "Entry Thailand" system.
Step 4: Purchase and submit proof of a COVID-19 health insurance policy within 15 days after receiving the pre-approved COE. Any COVID-19 insurance policy booked via the "Entry Thailand" system will automatically report the booking status to the COE system, or upload documents in the "Entry Thailand" system.
Step 5: Check the COE status and prepare additional documents before travelling.
Step 6: Prepare for the journey by downloading and registering with the "Thailand Plus Application", complete the Thailand Health Declaration, or T. 8 Form, as well as prepare other relevant documents for entry into Thailand.
If I go to Thailand on a visa on entry, I can get up to three months there I think. I want to stay much longer. Should I figure out how to stay much longer before I go or can I figure out things there after I arrive just as easily? I used to just do visa runs. I want to stay at least 9 months. I want to stay through winter.
Thank you for any help or advice.This is what I found on a Thailand tourist website about visas:
If you enter Thailand via airport or land border, you will be stamped a 60-day permission of stay as a tourist in the immigration post, after which you will have to exit the country again on or before the expiration of your permission of stay. However, the tourist visa permit-to-stay can also be extended if you wish or need to stay longer in Thailand. You will have to file an application for an extension of stay at the Office of Immigration Bureau located at Government Complex Chaengwattana Road, Bangkok with contact center number 1178. Bear in mind that the success of an extension of stay is solely at the discretion of the immigration officer attending to your application.
The last time I was in Thailand and had a visa, I was there for 1 year on a work visa. My employer took care of the visa so I don't know all the requirements but if you are using a tourist visa, you will have to do a visa run to Phnom Penh or apply for an extension in Bangkok.
SinfullyKorean
04-24-21, 03:56
This is what I found on a Thailand tourist website about visas:
If you enter Thailand via airport or land border, you will be stamped a 60-day permission of stay as a tourist in the immigration post, after which you will have to exit the country again on or before the expiration of your permission of stay. However, the tourist visa permit-to-stay can also be extended if you wish or need to stay longer in Thailand. You will have to file an application for an extension of stay at the Office of Immigration Bureau located at Government Complex Chaengwattana Road, Bangkok with contact center number 1178. Bear in mind that the success of an extension of stay is solely at the discretion of the immigration officer attending to your application.
The last time I was in Thailand and had a visa, I was there for 1 year on a work visa. My employer took care of the visa so I don't know all the requirements but if you are using a tourist visa, you will have to do a visa run to Phnom Penh or apply for an extension in Bangkok.Thanks for the info and please keep us updated. I plan on retiring soon, but don't qualify for Thailand's retirement visa. So I'll also be looking into other long term visa options (e. G. ED or volunteer visas). I'd do the visa runs, too, but with the uncertainty of border runs and quarantine restrictions, that seems very questionable right now.
NRandom940
04-24-21, 03:59
If I may jump in to answer, no, Nana Plaza is not open. Neither is Soi Cowboy. That includes go-go bars and beer bars. The Soi 7 bar complex is also closed. In terms of physically present girls there is a handful that show up outside of Thermae at night, a few strays down Sukhumvit Road, a very few strays on Soi 4 and fewer who show up in or near Beer Garden at cart bars some nights.
Quality of looks is mostly below average to atrocious. Some lookers might be found in those Thermae clusters. But good luck swinging anything resembling the level of attractiveness and performance you could get on an ordinary night at a go-go bar during normal times.
Dating sites? Few quality girls are still in Bangkok even though their profiles say they are. Lots of chatting for nothing. The ones who are still in town and agree to meet a Covid Carrier? If she is a 7 in her photos expect a 5 to show up. The 7s in photos but 5s in real life are most likely the only ones still in town who can show up.
As always, YMMV.Haha. Well no way I'm going then.
I would never trust anyone from Thailand not to be a ladyboy unless I specifically meet them in a go-go bar labelled "Real Girls Only."
The ladyboys are so good at dressing up, it's impossible to tell the difference.
LittleBigMan
04-24-21, 12:24
Thanks for the info and please keep us updated. I plan on retiring soon, but don't qualify for Thailand's retirement visa. So I'll also be looking into other long term visa options (e. G. ED or volunteer visas). I'd do the visa runs, too, but with the uncertainty of border runs and quarantine restrictions, that seems very questionable right now.If you need help when the time comes and can't meet the retirement visa due to not wanting to put money in bank or do the yearly paperwork give me a PM, I will forward you a place to go many ex-pats I know have used this place in the past never a problem price will run you 12-15,000 baht a year for the visa.
As an update to the current COViD situation, the Bangkok post said today that malls and shopping area have to reduce their hours from 11-8 pm. Convenience stores have to close at 10. This applies to all areas in the Red Zone including Bangkok.
The Post also reported on a shortage of hospital beds in Bangkok. Expect even stricter curfew terms as this situation continue to accelerate.
Only about 1% of country has been vaccinated with not enough available vaccine to go around.
Explorer8939
04-24-21, 17:44
If I go to Thailand on a visa on entry, I can get up to three months there I think. I want to stay much longer. Should I figure out how to stay much longer before I go or can I figure out things there after I arrive just as easily? I used to just do visa runs. I want to stay at least 9 months. I want to stay through winter.
Thank you for any help or advice.You are not eligible for a visa on entry or Visa on Arrival.
You ARE eligible for Visa Exempt status. That gives you 45 days visa free. You may apply for a 30 day extension.
Explorer8939
04-24-21, 17:45
As an update to the current COViD situation, the Bangkok post said today that malls and shopping area have to reduce their hours from 11-8 pm. Convenience stores have to close at 10. This applies to all areas in the Red Zone including Bangkok.
The Post also reported on a shortage of hospital beds in Bangkok. Expect even stricter curfew terms as this situation continue to accelerate.
Only about 1% of country has been vaccinated with not enough available vaccine to go around.As context, Thailand reported 2,800 new cases today. If you are not vaccinated, I would not recommend travel to Thailand at this time.
Thank you for answer. For longer stay can I wait until I am in thailand to figure out how? Or should I already have things going to stay longer?
You are not eligible for a visa on entry or Visa on Arrival.
You ARE eligible for Visa Exempt status. That gives you 45 days visa free. You may apply for a 30 day extension.
Haha. Well no way I'm going then.
I would never trust anyone from Thailand not to be a ladyboy unless I specifically meet them in a go-go bar labelled "Real Girls Only."
The ladyboys are so good at dressing up, it's impossible to tell the difference.https://www.thailadyboylovers.com/ladyboys/
https://www.thailadyboylovers.com/ladyboys/
As an update to the current COViD situation, the Bangkok post said today that malls and shopping area have to reduce their hours from 11-8 pm. Convenience stores have to close at 10. This applies to all areas in the Red Zone including Bangkok.
The Post also reported on a shortage of hospital beds in Bangkok. Expect even stricter curfew terms as this situation continue to accelerate.
Only about 1% of country has been vaccinated with not enough available vaccine to go around.I date girls that work in Central World and Central Chidlom who told me of cases popping up among the staff at their stores. Heard and read about some in EmQuartier and Emporium malls, too. I think somebody got paid to look the other way and not require certain incoming tourists or nationals to go through the same arduous testing and quarantine procedures as everyone else.
Last week I went to Bumrungrad Hospital on Soi 3 to inquire about signing up for a vaccination waiting list. They took my info and said they will call me when they get a waiting list. They don't even know what month that might be. That is how far behind they are in purchasing and stocking up on the vaccines.
Banana Boi
04-24-21, 21:02
If I go to Thailand on a visa on entry, I can get up to three months there I think. I want to stay much longer. Should I figure out how to stay much longer before I go or can I figure out things there after I arrive just as easily? I used to just do visa runs. I want to stay at least 9 months. I want to stay through winter.Multi entry tourist visa allows stays for 6 months with visa runs every 60 days. If you do a Visa run and re-enter Thailand on the day before your 6 months is up, you can extend your stay for another 60 days. That will at least get you 8 months. Not sure what the current requirements for Visa runs are now though. You may get amnesty once you are in Thailand.
HorseTrader
04-24-21, 22:17
Last week I went to Bumrungrad Hospital on Soi 3 to inquire about signing up for a vaccination waiting list. They took my info and said they will call me when they get a waiting list. They don't even know what month that might be. That is how far behind they are in purchasing and stocking up on the vaccines.One of my non-P4P girlfriends is a phlebotomist at a BKK hospital. She just got her vaccine yesterday and said hospital staff without direct patient contact are not yet scheduled. It's going to be a long time before the ordinary Thai people get vaccinated. Perhaps longer for expats.
That hospital is using Sinovac, which has received much negative press regarding efficacy and longevity.
I am keen to visit som area that has farang, bars, golf and so on. But not the top 3. High availability of girls and good golf are musts.
Which areas would rank 4-10 on a girl availability scale? I am thinking maybe Hua Hin and Ko Samui would be on the list, but help me out.
Thanks.
I am keen to visit som area that has farang, bars, golf and so on. But not the top 3. High availability of girls and good golf are musts.
Which areas would rank 4-10 on a girl availability scale? I am thinking maybe Hua Hin and Ko Samui would be on the list, but help me out.
Thanks.Stay home and play golf. Here not normal times or situation. Plus things are fluid with good becoming bad and bad becoming worse. As they say still waters run deep and these waters are muddy to boot.
HorseTrader
04-25-21, 03:16
I am keen to visit som area that has farang, bars, golf and so on. But not the top 3. High availability of girls and good golf are musts.
Which areas would rank 4-10 on a girl availability scale? I am thinking maybe Hua Hin and Ko Samui would be on the list, but help me out.
Thanks.I would not recommend Samui right now because too much is closed due to COVID. My reply is based on pre-COVID experiences between 2017 and 2020.
I played one beautiful golf course on Samui, but it was very expensive (maybe 5,000 to 8,000 baht inclusive of course, clubs, caddy, cart). Not an easy course. Some hotels might have promotional golf prices, I learned that after playing. I've heard rumors about another course, supposedly a lousy 9-hole course.
Plenty of girls available during normal Samui nights. If you are thinking Bangla Road go-go girl hotties, you will be disappointed. Girl quality is slightly better than Pattaya Soi 6 with some beer bar fuglies thrown in. Only a few hotties would qualify to be a Bangkok or Pattaya go-go girl. I've always found someone to keep me happy. A couple times I dropped my standards. Once I dropped my standard to a 2-bagger. Chaweng and Lamai Beach are my Samui sources for girls (I haven't looked elsewhere). Tons of small bars. Bar fines are low. If you have a nice hotel, the girls tend to want LT for the price of ST, they want to sleep when I want them out the door. Maybe they live in some real shit holes.
Tourists are mostly farang. Socializing with Samui farang is a trip highlight for me, never feel alone. There are a few Chinese and Korean tourists. Very few Indian tourists.
Go to Koh Samui for the beach and laid back atmosphere.
Stay home and play golf. Here not normal times or situation. Plus things are fluid with good becoming bad and bad becoming worse. As they say still waters run deep and these waters are muddy to boot.Almost every Thai girl I know, P4P and regular, is fearful of getting vaccinated and thinks the shot will give them Covid. Some have said the only way most Thai people will get over that fear and line up to get the shot is if the highest ranking members of The R Family do it and make it well known they did it.
It isn't a stretch for me to imagine the authorities whose job it would be to buy the tens of millions of vaccine doses required, organize the distribution of them, administer the shots, keep accurate records of who got the first (and second) round, when and make sure they come back for the next ones so as not to waste the effort, all gargantuan challenges for any country, are well aware of this mindset in the country and are simply not yet inclined to tackle it. I am sure they would much rather wait for that time in the future when their countrymen can take a 20 baht vaccine "pill" or nasal stick they bought at any 7-11, done and done.
Banana Boi
04-25-21, 06:21
P4 P outside BKK, Pattaya and PhuketWhy come to Thailand if you're sick of Bangkok and Pattaya? When COVID is over, why not go to other Asian cities instead? Jakarta, Phnom Penh, and even Singapore, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh, etc would all be better than other parts of Thailand. There's no use coming to Thailand now unless you know a ton of girls already or you want to do things other than having sex.
High availability of girls
This wasn't even available in the Big 3 before the bars recently shut down. Don't come here expecting Thailand to be even remotely close to how it was before.
Almost every Thai girl I know, P4P and regular, is fearful of getting vaccinated and thinks the shot will give them Covid.
The Thai need to educate their people. They haven't really had to do so until now.
For the first time since COVID began girls who were not concerned about getting COVID are finally starting to worry. One girl I know who lives on street food won't even buy street food any more. She only eats 7-11 now since she believes it's safer, which may be true.
Franciscass
04-26-21, 12:19
I was disappointed mask wearing seems to be taken seriously here.I hate wearing a mask, shades get fogged up, heat and humidity doesn't help but we all do it here. Even before Covid many wore them to protect against PM2. 5 pollution. It's the smart way to go. I believe countries where mask wearing is the norm have lower infections, hospitalizations and deaths. Some credible modelling in the US show a national mask mandate would have saved well over a 100,000 lives. Anyway you're here now and just in case you haven't heard not wearing a mask could add to your disappointment in the form of a 20.000 baht fine. You arrived at an inopportune time but hopefully if you can find your way around the online hook ups sites you can still have some fun during your visit. ET is your man for up to date intel on Bangkok.
In today's Bangkok Post, it was noted that the PM failed to wear a mask during a meeting with several government officials about vaccine procurement. The governor of the province noted this and called the police and they all went over to the government office where the PM was assessed a $6 k bt fine for violating the mask provision. Apparently, first offense is $6 k, 2nd offense is $12 k and 3rd is $20 k.
Remarkably, the PM acknowledged he was wrong (not to wear a mask) and agreed to pay the fine. The other officials in the photo were all wearing masks so it's amazing that the PM did not think these rules applied to him. Tone deaf, that fellow.
I hate wearing a mask, shades get fogged up, heat and humidity doesn't help but we all do it here. Even before Covid many wore them to protect against PM2. 5 pollution. It's the smart way to go. I believe countries where mask wearing is the norm have lower infections, hospitalizations and deaths. Some credible modelling in the US show a national mask mandate would have saved well over a 100,000 lives. Anyway you're here now and just in case you haven't heard not wearing a mask could add to your disappointment in the form of a 20.000 baht fine. You arrived at an inopportune time but hopefully if you can find your way around the online hook ups sites you can still have some fun during your visit. ET is your man for up to date intel on Bangkok.
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.
My guess is that the rules will have changed several times by September. No one can know what variants are where. I wouldn't plan on anything definite that far out.
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.
Crocodilexp
04-27-21, 05:03
a $6 k bt fine I heard it was £6 k bt. Why use a dollar sign for baht?
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.You will probably need some kind of authorisation to enter Thailand from your Thai consulate / embassy so that's where you have to look for answers. Anyway, no answers in May for September. Answers early May for mid-May (perhaps).
HorseTrader
04-27-21, 08:51
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.Like others have said, we don't know what will happen that far into the future.
A month ago I was thinking like you, I would go to Thailand in October, provided the quarantine requirements are easy. Now, I'm thinking many things could be closed for the trip. Easy quarantine doesn't help us if there is no fun after quarantine. To enjoy Thailand, I really need the full hospitality industry open (hotels, restaurants, tours, transportation, bars, massage, hookers, etc.). I want many tourists to be there, it's less fun if only a few people are there.
The Thai government has set a trend of making closure decisions today that go into effect very soon. We might get on our airplanes on September 15, but the rules may be very different on September 20. That is not at all comforting.
The planned Phuket sandbox concept is to start in July. It will be interesting to see how that goes.
SinfullyKorean
04-27-21, 21:07
Like others have said, we don't know what will happen that far into the future.
A month ago I was thinking like you, I would go to Thailand in October, provided the quarantine requirements are easy. Now, I'm thinking many things could be closed for the trip. Easy quarantine doesn't help us if there is no fun after quarantine. To enjoy Thailand, I really need the full hospitality industry open (hotels, restaurants, tours, transportation, bars, massage, hookers, etc.). I want many tourists to be there, it's less fun if only a few people are there.
The Thai government has set a trend of making closure decisions today that go into effect very soon. We might get on our airplanes on September 15, but the rules may be very different on September 20. That is not at all comforting.
The planned Phuket sandbox concept is to start in July. It will be interesting to see how that goes.Yup. All the articles I've read have been indicating doom and gloom for the sandbox plan. There's still a lot of time (2 months) for things to calm down and for vaccines to roll out. But at it's current trajectory, it's not looking good.
Thais are jabbing with the ineffective chink vaccine so re.
Mains to be seen what happens in future.It does not look good when there is no evidence that this vaccine is sufficiently effective. Remember last week that government official who said and then retracted that China would have to mix vaccines to get good results? Chile is still suffering from high cases of covid although they have widely distributed the sinopharm vaccine. No chinese or russian vaccine has undergone the rigorous scrutiny of the western vaccines.
LittleBigMan
04-28-21, 08:34
Racist much?You give them an inch as they say? Sooner or later it will slip always happens but it doesn't mean the guy is racist? I drink coffee with a bunch of crackers a number of them for years mainly Brits and Aussie guys in the beginning they told me where it was used as common as putting sugar in their coffee in the context and tone I didn't get upset. I remember when I first came here off 3rd road the Brit opened two shops one for fish and chips and the other he served Chinese Food he names the place " Chinky ".
All in general but the Aussie seem even worse a few I know would put a number of red necks even Donald Trump to shame if I could cash in every time they use the and-word I would get pussy every day for free? Knowing them for years I don't consider them to be any more racist than I am it is how one grew up in their surroundings. Remember what I said about the computer!
No chinese or russian vaccine has undergone the rigorous scrutiny of the western vaccines.Yeah, I think we've all seen the shit show of the English Oxford vaccine where every government realized that it's not only ineffective but also dangerous, yet they are not banning it for political reasons.
How can you all be sure that the Western products are better the other ones at such a early stage?
Really sad to hear. Hope to see the usual places back to some kind of acceptable new normal really soon.
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.Which means they way things go here, without a booster your past the effectiveness of your shots. No COE.
Explorer8939
04-30-21, 07:46
Hi.
Please help my confusion regarding Quarantine time in Thailand.
I received my final 2nd Covid-19 vaccine jab in March 2021.
If I arrive in Thailand September 2021, will I be quarantine for 7 or 10 days?
Thanks.
TC.Right now, all quarantine is 14 days.
But, your real question is how long will Thailand honor your vaccination. The real answer depends on what the scientific community concludes about the effective lifetime of your immunity. But that conclusion will not be reached for another 3 months or so. You may require a booster before September.
Note that the emergence of variants may also impact the efficacy of your vaccinations. Fortunately, all variants announced so far emerged prior to mass vaccination, so they (the virus) didn't have an opportunity to develop an immunity to the vaccines.
Explorer8939
04-30-21, 07:47
It does not look good when there is no evidence that this vaccine is sufficiently effective. Remember last week that government official who said and then retracted that China would have to mix vaccines to get good results? Chile is still suffering from high cases of covid although they have widely distributed the sinopharm vaccine. No chinese or russian vaccine has undergone the rigorous scrutiny of the western vaccines.Chile has not vaccinated enough people to know whether the Sinovac vaccine is going to be sufficient to achieve herd immunity.
TourduMonde
04-30-21, 09:49
Yeah, I think we've all seen the shit show of the English Oxford vaccine where every government realized that it's not only ineffective but also dangerous, yet they are not banning it for political reasons.
How can you all be sure that the Western products are better the other ones at such a early stage?The main way to tell that would be comparing the effects of vaccinating a load of people in England with the Oxford vaccine with the effects of vaccinating a load of people in Hungary with Sputnik and Sinovac.
Coronavirus deaths are down to a handful a day in England, whereas Hungary has done the most vaccinating in the EU (sinovac and sputnik are additional to the EU supplies of western vaccines) and they are not in a stronger position than the other EU countries as a result.
Right now, all quarantine is 14 days.
But, your real question is how long will Thailand honor your vaccination. The real answer depends on what the scientific community concludes about the effective lifetime of your immunity. But that conclusion will not be reached for another 3 months or so. You may require a booster before September.
Note that the emergence of variants may also impact the efficacy of your vaccinations. Fortunately, all variants announced so far emerged prior to mass vaccination, so they (the virus) didn't have an opportunity to develop an immunity to the vaccines.You hit the nail on the head.
Very strange. Last weekend, the ladies were in Singapore. This weekend, they played in Pattaya. Maybe my math is off a bit, but I didn't count 14 days for quarantine, unless there was some time travel or manipulation going on. By the way, they don't have to wear masks, but somebody who is vaccinated and sitting alone in a their car has too. By the way, the ladies are staying at Avani and it's like a fortress.
Even more strange, COVID-19 supposedly has 14 days incubation from the time of contact. It's the guideline they use to establish how many quarantine days. However, an office was closed because somebody who was sick visited the office. All the staff was shipped off to 14 days quarantine. April 22 was the date the visitor made contact in the office. But the staff will be quarantined May 4-17.
Strangest of all is when that office staff was sent to quarantine. But when Jomtien Immigration was listed by officials on the track and trace timeline for an infection. It was business as usual with the same immigration staff in place. No quarantine necessary. This is why I have no guilt about how I live my life because it's pretty much all crooked.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-22-21, 18:53
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/05/18/ex-pat-insider-2021-reveals-best-and-worst-destinations-in-the-world-to-live-abroad-thailand-moves-up-from-33-to-14-year-over-year/
https://thepattayanews.com/2021/05/18/ex-pat-insider-2021-reveals-best-and-worst-destinations-in-the-world-to-live-abroad-thailand-moves-up-from-33-to-14-year-over-year/Thailand also ranks among the top 10 in the Leisure Options subcategory (7th), with most ex-pats (82%) happy with their socializing and leisure activities (vs. 67% globally). Moreover, the country comes 7th out of 59 in the Personal Happiness subcategory, with 85% of ex-pats being happy with their life in general (vs. 75% globally).
I think the ladies play a big part in the aforementioned high rankings.
HorseTrader
05-24-21, 17:01
Thailand also ranks among the top 10 in the Leisure Options subcategory (7th), with most ex-pats (82%) happy with their socializing and leisure activities (vs. 67% globally). Moreover, the country comes 7th out of 59 in the Personal Happiness subcategory, with 85% of ex-pats being happy with their life in general (vs. 75% globally).
I think the ladies play a big part in the aforementioned high rankings.I've read from various sources that tourism represents 15% to 20% of Thai economy. I'm curious what portion of the economy would be from ex-pats, assuming that ex-pat money is counted separately from tourism money.
Take the ladies away and a good portion of tourism and ex-pat money disappears from Thai economy.
MutantChicken
05-24-21, 17:41
I've read from various sources that tourism represents 15% to 20% of Thai economy. I'm curious what portion of the economy would be from ex-pats, assuming that ex-pat money is counted separately from tourism money.
Take the ladies away and a good portion of tourism and ex-pat money disappears from Thai economy.We as westerners are indoctrinated to think we are all unique, special and have great value. I remember having a similar conversation with some sex tourists about China scene during the initial first yanda in Chang Ping. They kept saying how it wouldn't continue and that it will recover due to the activity contributing a good portion to the economy etc etc, well nearly 10 yrs later if anything commercial sex activities has gotten even more underground.
I predict as much of a proportion it contributes, it can be easily replaced with a source that doesn't bring as much stigma and national shame. It not only that westerners engage openly and publicly in a debauched manner, but their activities also bring western media who name and shames this activity, thus shining the spotlight. This plus, with the option of working online; will be the direction the international sex scene will be moving in. No more dens of debauchery, but discreet and private interludes between 2 consenting adults. Obviously the local scene will still operate as the powers that be won't want their fun interrupted, but foreigners will not be welcomed generally.
We as westerners are indoctrinated to think we are all unique, special and have great value. I remember having a similar conversation with some sex tourists about China scene during the initial first yanda in Chang Ping. They kept saying how it wouldn't continue and that it will recover due to the activity contributing a good portion to the economy etc etc, well nearly 10 yrs later if anything commercial sex activities has gotten even more underground.
I predict as much of a proportion it contributes, it can be easily replaced with a source that doesn't bring as much stigma and national shame. It not only that westerners engage openly and publicly in a debauched manner, but their activities also bring western media who name and shames this activity, thus shining the spotlight. This plus, with the option of working online; will be the direction the international sex scene will be moving in. No more dens of debauchery, but discreet and private interludes between 2 consenting adults. Obviously the local scene will still operate as the powers that be won't want their fun interrupted, but foreigners will not be welcomed generally.Westerners including mongers contribute significantly to the Thai economy and that of those third world countries that they visit and live in. Countless millions of women worldwide are thus able to put food on the table of their families and nurture their children. You won't read that in any economics textbook.
MutantChicken
05-25-21, 17:47
Westerners including mongers contribute significantly to the Thai economy and that of those third world countries that they visit and live in. Countless millions of women worldwide are thus able to put food on the table of their families and nurture their children. You won't read that in any economics textbook.No you won't read that in any text books or anything based on empirical evidence, instead we should all take the word of the faceless resident expert on all matters who posts on a sex forum, without any actual facts. The issue isn't whether that mongers contribute, but whether it is as significant as they think it is.
I can name 2 Asian counties where western mongerers are very active Thai / Philippines and I can name 2 counties where mongers are very inactive. Thus by your logic the GDP growth rates in the first 2 counties should outstrip the latter?
Thai: 2.4% in 2019.
Philippines: 6%.
Indonesia 5%.
Vietnam: 7%.
Mr Enternational
05-25-21, 22:31
The issue isn't whether that mongers contribute, but whether it is as significant as they think it is.Yep. Because since Covid those countries have pretty much been closed off to tourism/mongers and all the women and their families are now homeless and starving to death. I have yet to see a woman in one of these mongering countries that asked for money and died because I did not send it to her.
Franciscass
05-26-21, 06:44
As always it's relative to what one regards as significant.
Of course the sex industry contributes to the economy but in my opinion nowhere near as much as some members would have you believe. Because their life revolves around shagging and they live in mongering bubbles their understanding of the general economic activity of the country and specifically the tourism industry could understandably be somewhat limited.
Firstly the sex business needs to be broken down between local and tourist / expat demand and secondly tourism itself self needs to be broken down by those who come here for sex and those that don't.
The number of mongers visiting Walking Street, Cowboy, Nana, Bangla is tiny compared to the total number of tourists visiting the country often in tour groups from other Asian countries. Add in oilies soapies escorts, on line etc and I would hazard a guess that sex tourism adds at most 1% to 2 % to GDP but pre covid this still makes it a relatively significant 5 to 10 billion dollar business.
No you won't read that in any text books or anything based on empirical evidence, instead we should all take the word of the faceless resident expert on all matters who posts on a sex forum, without any actual facts. The issue isn't whether that mongers contribute, but whether it is as significant as they think it is.
I can name 2 Asian counties where western mongerers are very active Thai / Philippines and I can name 2 counties where mongers are very inactive. Thus by your logic the GDP growth rates in the first 2 counties should outstrip the latter?
Thai: 2.4% in 2019.
Philippines: 6%.
Indonesia 5%.
Vietnam: 7%.So according to your logic sex tourists like you are somewhat useless to the countries that you visit.
MutantChicken
05-26-21, 17:42
So according to your logic sex tourists like you are somewhat useless to the countries that you visit.I'm guessing that means you are one of those 70 yr olds seen talking loudly on the skytrain walking around with a open shirt; beer belly exposed with a "I fcuk bargirls" tattoo, holding hands with a ladyboy explaining to her how much better they do it in the west compared to Thailand right?
I prefer to be discreet and make myself a small target. I am no "expert" like you, with opinions literally on every thread on this forum. But I think that perception is more important than fact in this situation. Regardless of how much I spend, I as a sex tourist will be seen as a unwanted pest by the majority of Thais, as such I don't broadcast that I'm a sex tourist. Further in fact I believe, and it seems (supported by some facts) that my contributions are negligible.
HorseTrader
05-26-21, 19:53
The number of mongers visiting Walking Street, Cowboy, Nana, Bangla is tiny compared to the total number of tourists visiting the country often in tour groups from other Asian countries. Add in oilies soapies escorts, on line etc and I would hazard a guess that sex tourism adds at most 1% to 2 % to GDP but pre covid this still makes it a relatively significant 5 to 10 billion dollar business.During my last entry into Thailand there was a huge line to get through border control and I snapped a picture of the mob. I just looked at that picture and estimated the group was 60% men and 40% women (I saw zero children in my picture). Probably a few men were business travelers. From that, I'm guessing more than 10% of travelers were unaccompanied men on vacation, who most likely selected Thailand for sex. If 20% of Thailand economy is tourism, my crude math says that about 2% of Thailand economy is based on sex tourism. Even though each sex tourist may spend only 20% of his vacation budget on sex, the destination was probably largely based on availability of sex.
Spending too much time in Pattaya is misleading, you see very few female tourists. If you look at Samui, there is about a 50-50 mix of male-female tourists. Phuket also has a more balanced group of tourists, even Bangla Road has many female tourists.
I forgot how the "left" and "right" was divided at border control, I think ASEAN citizens to the right and others to the left. The picture was taken on the left side so I couldn't estimate the male-female balance on the ASEAN side.
Mr Enternational
05-26-21, 21:13
Spending too much time in Pattaya is misleading, you see very few female tourists. If you look at Samui, there is about a 50-50 mix of male-female tourists. Phuket also has a more balanced group of tourists, even Bangla Road has many female tourists.Exactly. People get caught up and develop thinking that the small corner they hang out on is representative of the entire picture. I have said before that when I am on a flight from Philippines to Thailand I am usually the only single man that I see. Just look around when you are in the plane. It is not full of single guys. It is generally older married couples and young groups of couples or family and friends.
Banana Boi
05-27-21, 01:12
Spending too much time in Pattaya is misleading, you see very few female tourists.The majority of guys on here only know Pattaya as the main baht bus route. Pre-COVID if you went to areas like Pratumnak Hill and Naklua-Wongamat you will see your fair share of female tourists, usually Russian. In fact, you will hardly see any single guys other than that small strip of bars near the Dolphin round. There is a small patch around Korea Town between the soapies and Terminal 21 that has a lot of female Korean and Japanese girls usually walking around in female only groups while their boyfriends are on Soi 6 during the day and Walking Street at night.
Banana Boi
05-27-21, 04:16
"The Department of Land Transport has given the green light to legalise ride-hailing apps such as GrabCar and Bolt in Thailand. ".
Not a big deal in Bangkok since taxis there are dirt cheap but this is huge news for tourist towns like Pattaya and Phuket. No more 300-400 baht for a 7 minute 2 km taxi ride from Hollywood to LK Metro.
I will assume Uber hasn't buttered up the right people to get on the list. I expect some motorbike taxi shakedowns on people taking these ride share taxis.
"The Department of Land Transport has given the green light to legalise ride-hailing apps such as GrabCar and Bolt in Thailand. ".
Not a big deal in Bangkok since taxis there are dirt cheap but this is huge news for tourist towns like Pattaya and Phuket. No more 300-400 baht for a 7 minute 2 km taxi ride from Hollywood to LK Metro.
I will assume Uber hasn't buttered up the right people to get on the list. I expect some motorbike taxi shakedowns on people taking these ride share taxis.I think Ueber withdrew from Thailand a couple of years ago over an agreement with Grab that Grab would be taking over.
With Bolt a ride from Central Festival to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya is now 60 baht. Used to be at least 200. Most cars accepting Bolt rides in Pattaya are now taxis (green & yellow).
Remains to be seen if the apps will be tolerated by the local mafia on some islands. Ko Tao comes to mind.
Franciscass
05-27-21, 09:18
I'm guessing that means you are one of those 70 yr olds seen talking loudly on the skytrain walking around with a open shirt; beer belly exposed with a "I fcuk bargirls" tattoo, holding hands with a ladyboy explaining to her how much better they do it in the west compared to Thailand right?
I prefer to be discreet and make myself a small target. I am no "expert" like you, with opinions literally on every thread on this forum. But I think that perception is more important than fact in this situation. Regardless of how much I spend, I as a sex tourist will be seen as a unwanted pest by the majority of Thais, as such I don't broadcast that I'm a sex tourist. Further in fact I believe, and it seems (supported by some facts) that my contributions are negligible.Actually MC not sure I'm with you on the "unwanted pest" description. For Thais paying for sex is not an unaccepted part of life, either by way of a visit to the local brothel or if you are able to afford her a Mia Noi. On top Thais are by nature nonjudgmental. That said I accept that there are a sufficient number of assholes who bring their loutish behavior with them with zero respect for their hosts quite often treating working girls as countryside illiterates only good for shagging for as little as they can get away with before sending them on their way. For me it's simple, be nice, show respect and Thais will welcome you with open arms.
... my contributions are negligible.I applaud your honesty.
Banana Boi
05-28-21, 05:56
May 17, 2021 News Ticker
Effective from 00:00 am on 19MAY2021(local flight schedule departure time). CECC imposes entry restrictions for non-R.O.C. nationals and travelers transiting through Taiwan are temporarily prohibited.From the EVA Air website. Looks like you can no longer transit through Taipei on the way to Bangkok. No exceptions even if fully vaccinated or negative COVID test.
So which airlines have North Americans used recently to Thailand? Which countries can we still currently transit through? Looking to book my next flight and looking for the shortest flight possible, regardless of price.
With Bolt a ride from Central Festival to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya is now 60 baht. Used to be at least 200. Most cars accepting Bolt rides in Pattaya are now taxis (green & yellow).
Good to know. That's a decent price. My psycho road rage ex-G Club taxi driver is more fun but much more expensive.
From the EVA Air website. Looks like you can no longer transit through Taipei on the way to Bangkok. No exceptions even if fully vaccinated or negative COVID test.
So which airlines have North Americans used recently to Thailand? Which countries can we still currently transit through? Looking to book my next flight and looking for the shortest flight possible, regardless of price..Emirates maybe? Bit Siri!
Houston Player
05-28-21, 07:05
From the EVA Air website. Looks like you can no longer transit through Taipei on the way to Bangkok. No exceptions even if fully vaccinated or negative COVID test.
So which airlines have North Americans used recently to Thailand? Which countries can we still currently transit through? Looking to book my next flight and looking for the shortest flight possible, regardless of price.
Good to know. That's a decent price. My psycho road rage ex-G Club taxi driver is more fun but much more expensive.Qatar has flights through DOH and ANA has flights through Japan but I'm sure it depends on which US city you are traveling from.
Very strange. Last weekend, the ladies were in Singapore. This weekend, they played in Pattaya. Maybe my math is off a bit, but I didn't count 14 days for quarantine, unless there was some time travel or manipulation going on. By the way, they don't have to wear masks, but somebody who is vaccinated and sitting alone in a their car has too. By the way, the ladies are staying at Avani and it's like a fortress.
Even more strange, COVID-19 supposedly has 14 days incubation from the time of contact. It's the guideline they use to establish how many quarantine days. However, an office was closed because somebody who was sick visited the office. All the staff was shipped off to 14 days quarantine. April 22 was the date the visitor made contact in the office. But the staff will be quarantined May 4-17.
Strangest of all is when that office staff was sent to quarantine. But when Jomtien Immigration was listed by officials on the track and trace timeline for an infection. It was business as usual with the same immigration staff in place. No quarantine necessary. This is why I have no guilt about how I live my life because it's pretty much all crooked.International major sport activities participants, staff and media are generally exempted through local rules to quarantine.
They all go through a strict daily rapid test program and act in bubbles. You will not see much covd blow outs from these, as a matter of fact. Just very few and minimal cases that are quickly sealed in quarantine.
14 days quarantine is the safest option, but usually symptoms (or positeviness) develop in 4-5 days from the contagious contact.
To the point many countries reduced the quarantine to 10 days for visitors from overseas countries, and 5 days (if any) from nearby countries. 14 days is maintained for those having visited high risk territories.
Crocodilexp
05-29-21, 01:10
Thais are by nature nonjudgmental. Nothing could be further from the truth. Thais are extremely judgemental and try to place each other within a hierarchy all the time. They are non-confrontational, but that's an entirely different beast, it means won't call you out to your face, especially not if you might be their social equal or superior.
Farang are mostly outsiders to the Thai social hierarchy and generally wealthier so Thais usually did not care to confront us even if we did something out of line, although that is changing in recent years.
Sure, plenty of Thai men visit prostitutes (although the numbers seem to be declining), but unlike Farang, they keep it discreet and low-key.
LittleBigMan
05-29-21, 01:20
Nothing could be further from the truth. Thais are extremely judgemental and try to place each other within a hierarchy all the time. They are non-confrontational, but that's an entirely different beast, it means won't call you out to your face, especially not if you might be their social equal or superior.
Farang are mostly outsiders to the Thai social hierarchy and generally wealthier so Thais usually did not care to confront us even if we did something out of line, although that is changing in recent years.
Sure, plenty of Thai men visit prostitutes (although the numbers seem to be declining), but unlike Farang, they keep it discreet and low-key.This is very true very true! Many here will never experience and thank the lucky stars they won't!
MutantChicken
05-29-21, 02:19
Nothing could be further from the truth. Thais are extremely judgemental and try to place each other within a hierarchy all the time. They are non-confrontational, but that's an entirely different beast, it means won't call you out to your face, especially not if you might be their social equal or superior.
Farang are mostly outsiders to the Thai social hierarchy and generally wealthier so Thais usually did not care to confront us even if we did something out of line, although that is changing in recent years.
Sure, plenty of Thai men visit prostitutes (although the numbers seem to be declining), but unlike Farang, they keep it discreet and low-key.I totally agree, plus with regards to Thai men visiting prostitutes, sure THEY do, but that doesn't mean they appreciate you doing so. It the usual not in my backyard mentality and what is good for the goose doesn't mean it good for the gander. The guys who say otherwise just show they don't know enough about Thailand.
Franciscass
05-29-21, 03:33
Nothing could be further from the truth. Thais are extremely judgemental and try to place each other within a hierarchyWell Croc I guess it comes to how we experience living here. I am with you on the entrenched societal class differences based on birth and economic status but I don't see that as being judgmental which for me is having or displaying an overly critical point of view. Thailand for me is still a deeply spiritual society based on Buddhist values of acceptance and understanding which by definition is nonjudgmental. Your experience would appear to be different but this doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong or vice versa, in other words there is no judging going on.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Thais are extremely judgemental and try to place each other within a hierarchy all the time. They are non-confrontational, but that's an entirely different beast, it means won't call you out to your face, especially not if you might be their social equal or superior.
Farang are mostly outsiders to the Thai social hierarchy and generally wealthier so Thais usually did not care to confront us even if we did something out of line, although that is changing in recent years.
Sure, plenty of Thai men visit prostitutes (although the numbers seem to be declining), but unlike Farang, they keep it discreet and low-key.Spot on assessment. The patronage system permeates all of Thai society.
Mr Enternational
05-29-21, 08:34
Thailand for me is still a deeply spiritual society based on Buddhist values of acceptance and understanding which by definition is nonjudgmental. LOL. April Fools was last month. And America is still a deeply spiritual society based on Christian values.
Crazy4Thai
05-29-21, 11:04
Does overexposure to tourists derail Thais from the path of Buddha? Or are they just naturally hypocritical? Or is it me hanging out in all the wrong places? I find it startling to come across a Buddhist living by the teachings.
Franciscass
05-29-21, 12:11
LOL. April Fools was last month. And America is still a deeply spiritual society based on Christian values.Mr. E you are refreshingly honest in making fun of your own country as being deeply spiritual based on Christian values. While I see religion as having a big impact on values in a segment of the population in the USA particularly in the south and specifically among the less well off whether white or African American I see little in the way of these people having a spiritual disposition. You need to know the difference between being religious and being spiritual and to be honest I'm neither inclined to or particularly interested in trying to explain it to you. LOL.
Well Croc I guess it comes to how we experience living here. I am with you on the entrenched societal class differences based on birth and economic status but I don't see that as being judgmental which for me is having or displaying an overly critical point of view. Thailand for me is still a deeply spiritual society based on Buddhist values of acceptance and understanding which by definition is nonjudgmental. Your experience would appear to be different but this doesn't mean you are right and I am wrong or vice versa, in other words there is no judging going on.Thailand is one of the very few countries I have mongered in in which I got a real girlfriend (not a hooker GF). She was a Buddhist. She introduced me to her parents and siblings and taught me a lot about Thai society. She took me inside the temple with the huge golden statue of Buddha near China town. They are indeed a spiritual people and I have great respect for them.
Member #4733
05-29-21, 16:42
America is still a deeply spiritual society based on Christian values.So true! Trump benefits from this. Half of the country is his, thanks to these Christians. And in little more than four years he will get all of it back.
Mr Enternational
05-29-21, 18:52
Does overexposure to tourists derail Thais from the path of Buddha? Or are they just naturally hypocritical? Or is it me hanging out in all the wrong places? I find it startling to come across a Buddhist living by the teachings.It has nothing to do with Thais and more to do with human beings. Judge people by their individual character and not by the supposed tenets of a group they belong to. I was just reading this morning about a former Indigenous indoctrination school in Canada where the bodies of 215 kids were found buried. "The report documented horrific physical abuse, rape, malnutrition and other atrocities suffered by many of the 150,000 children who attended the schools, typically run by Christian churches on behalf of Ottawa from the 1840s to the 1990s."
Mr. E you are refreshingly honest in making fun of your own country as being deeply spiritual based on Christian values. While I see religion as having a big impact on values in a segment of the population in the USA particularly in the south and specifically among the less well off whether white or African American I see little in the way of these people having a spiritual disposition. You need to know the difference between being religious and being spiritual and to be honest I'm neither inclined to or particularly interested in trying to explain it to you. LOL.Religion has no impact on peoples' values. It is only an attempt to control the masses. Most say do not do this or you will face consequences from an invisible entity. So they more so scare people away from doing whatever. People are doing this in order to reap the good fortunes or avoid the bad fortunes of the teachings, not because that is what is within them. There are less atheists in the world's prisons than there are people that belong to the world's religions. Thai prisons are filled with Buddhists that have never come into contact with a foreigner.
I am a Black dude that was raised in the USA south and was made to go to church several days each week while growing up. When I left my mom's house at 18 I could no longer be forced to be Christian. I was a Philosphy major when I first started at the university. I have always studied the religions and spiritualities of the world in my thirst for knowledge, so no explanation needed.
Yes, that recent story about the mass graves of children in British Colombia reminded me of a similar story about the discovery of mass graves in a town called Tuam, Ireland, near Galway. They uncovered many children and infant unmarked graves at a home that was supposedly a Catholic orphanage and a place for unwed mothers. Many of the deaths occurred in the early 20th century. Unfortunately, I know the town well as both my great grandparents hailed from there, though they immigrated to the US in the 1880's.
It has nothing to do with Thais and more to do with human beings. Judge people by their individual character and not by the supposed tenets of a group they belong to. I was just reading this morning about a former Indigenous indoctrination school in Canada where the bodies of 215 kids were found buried. "The report documented horrific physical abuse, rape, malnutrition and other atrocities suffered by many of the 150,000 children who attended the schools, typically run by Christian churches on behalf of Ottawa from the 1840s to the 1990s." Religion has no impact on peoples' values. It is only an attempt to control the masses. Most say do not do this or you will face consequences from an invisible entity. So they more so scare people away from doing whatever. People are doing this in order to reap the good fortunes or avoid the bad fortunes of the teachings, not because that is what is within them. There are less atheists in the world's prisons than there are people that belong to the world's religions. Thai prisons are filled with Buddhists that have never come into contact with a foreigner.
I am a Black dude that was raised in the USA south and was made to go to church several days each week while growing up. When I left my mom's house at 18 I could no longer be forced to be Christian. I was a Philosphy major when I first started at the university. I have always studied the religions and spiritualities of the world in my thirst for knowledge, so no explanation needed.
Yes, that recent story about the mass graves of children in British Colombia reminded me of a similar story about the discovery of mass graves in a town called Tuam, Ireland, near Galway. They uncovered many children and infant unmarked graves at a home that was supposedly a Catholic orphanage and a place for unwed mothers. Many of the deaths occurred in the early 20th century. Unfortunately, I know the town well as both my great grandparents hailed from there, though they immigrated to the US in the 1880's.There is a street in Montrose (Houston) named after the town a one time Mayor's mother came from. Tuam.
" . . . The Thailand story is sad–and typical. I'll tell it here as a warning to anyone reading. This stuff happens and, in retrospect, you should not handle the situation in the way I did. Linh, you can chop this if you don't think it's relevant.
I was in one of those seedy beach resort towns filled with decaying, SPAM-tinted Anglo men and their 21-year-old Asian wives, talking to as many of the men as I could, as they figure fairly prominently in a book I am working on.
A few of the blokes had warned me of a scam going on in that particular town. The locals would wait until you rented a scooter and had a few beers at some local bar, then, when you scooted off home, they'the put three teenagers on a shittier scooter than yours and drive full speed into you. The cops would conveniently be nearby to handle the proceedings.
I ignored this warning as typical 'falang' fearmongering, but sure enough, a week into my stay this happened to me. I'd had a big Chang and puttered off home. Three kids on a crappy Vespa hit me out of nowhere. Cops come out. From behind a nearby building: 'You drunk Mister! You come to station and make right!' They sounded like some Hollywood-stereotype from the 80's. But they were real and extremely angry.
I was terrified. I had had a beer and driven my scooter (like everyone else in that town) but I had no idea what my 'rights' were. Ha! We went to the station and the officer demanded 40,000 baht to make it go away, plus some money for each of the three teenagers that were on the scooter. In the meantime, they had already gone to the hospital after the accident and returned, bandaged up, with hospital bills ready to go. They'the done this under an hour. All three presented the hospital bills to me meekly. I think they were another 60,000 baht.
Conveniently, 100,000 baht is the maximum you can withdraw from a Thai bank branch in one day. Around $3 k.
I told them this was absurd. I 'knew my rights'. Typical American arrogance. After two hours of yelling at each other via Google Translate in their sweaty little station, they made me go back to my apartment and give them my passport, told me they'd be in touch and that I was not to leave Thailand.
Americans that travel a lot can legally have two passports. Not a lot of people know this. It's the same passport number but you can usually bank on the fact that if you get into trouble somewhere, it will take time for the various government departments to communicate with each other, and you have a window to clear the country.
I'd talked with a nice local lawyer girl after this happened and her advice was to get the hell out of Thailand. So that's what I did. I was gone within 48 hours, this time via a land border, which I assumed was insecure. I crossed into Cambodia, made my way to Phnom Penh, and then flew to Bali for a few weeks.
Stupidly, I returned to Thailand a month later. I thought somehow the problem would have 'gone away', as it was all a scam. Ha!
Thai Prison survival hacks. . .
Full article: https://www.unz.com/ldinh/escape-from-america-90-countries-and-counting/.
Beijing4987
06-05-21, 04:43
Americans can get a second passport with a two year validity in addition to the typical 10 year passport. Many use the second passport when entering a sensitive area like Gaza and the other passport to enter Israel. Some dual passport owners use this ploy to avoid hassles. A friend has a Canadian passport from birth and a French one obtained from a marriage.The scooter scam problem could prohibit further travel to Thailand, though.
PedroMorales
06-05-21, 07:44
When you apply for a second passport, officials are concerned you are not a straight shooter. A second passport is best if you have controversial stamps eg Israel, Iran, were deported from somewhere. As pointed out, you retain the same number and, if naughty, that will show up when you pass passport control on your new passport.
Place of birth can also be a reason to get pulled.
As regards religious ramblings, that is off topic and ill informed as you are not exactly role models to be emulated.
When we're bars last open in Thailand? Have they been closed all of covid time period? Or did they close then open then reclose?
When we're bars last open in Thailand? Have they been closed all of covid time period? It did they close then open then reclose?In Bangkok, the go-go and beer bars closed, then some re-opened as long as they could fill them with staff to serve the few customers around and then they re-closed after a surge in Covid cases.
They have mostly been closed for that second (or third?) time for at least 1-2 months, I forget.
Yes, there are cheaters here and there. Without naming it, I believe one could walk into a carefully and quietly re-opened beer bar on a Soi between 6 and 2 named after the lady owner tonight as one could over the past several nights. No live band for now and I am sure your drink will be served in a paper cup. But it is open. Or has been for a few nights.
But that is the rare exception along with 2-3 beer bars now posing as restaurants on and around Soi 8, maybe one on Soi 7. There are no go-go bars open in Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. I have not cruised through Patpong in a while but I assume that area is as dark and deserted as the others. I also don't know what is happening in the Saphan Khwai area.
Fortunately, I have been kept very busy juggling my favorite pre-Covid regulars, those that had to remain in Bangkok for one reason or another through all this, and fitting in the occasional new girl here and there. And, since I am not really a drinker, I have not missed the go-go and beer bars all that much. I certainly have not missed the barfine and Lady Drink bit.
In Bangkok, the go-go and beer bars closed, then some re-opened as long as they could fill them with staff to serve the few customers around and then they re-closed after a surge in Covid cases.
They have mostly been closed for that second (or third?) time for at least 1-2 months, I forget.
Yes, there are cheaters here and there. Without naming it, I believe one could walk into a carefully and quietly re-opened beer bar on a Soi between 6 and 2 named after the lady owner tonight as one could over the past several nights. No live band for now and I am sure your drink will be served in a paper cup. But it is open. Or has been for a few nights.
But that is the rare exception along with 2-3 beer bars now posing as restaurants on and around Soi 8, maybe one on Soi 7. There are no go-go bars open in Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy. I have not cruised through Patpong in a while but I assume that area is as dark and deserted as the others. I also don't know what is happening in the Saphan Khwai area.
Fortunately, I have been kept very busy juggling my favorite pre-Covid regulars, those that had to remain in Bangkok for one reason or another through all this, and fitting in the occasional new girl here and there. And, since I am not really a drinker, I have not missed the go-go and beer bars all that much. I certainly have not missed the barfine and Lady Drink bit.Any signs of life on Soi 11?
Explorer8939
06-25-21, 06:28
When we're bars last open in Thailand? Have they been closed all of covid time period? Or did they close then open then reclose?Any action now is covert.
Any signs of life on Soi 11?Not that I have noticed. I go down there to eat dinner every now and then but I have not seen signs of life at any of the dance clubs. By 9pm the soi is a ghost town. I suppose it is possible some place like Havana Social sneaks open at a late hour but I have not been there for it.
Not that I have noticed. I go down there to eat dinner every now and then but I have not seen signs of life at any of the dance clubs. By 9pm the soi is a ghost town. I suppose it is possible some place like Havana Social sneaks open at a late hour but I have not been there for it.I appreciate your observations.
Parasitius
06-26-21, 18:04
Read about it on the Thaiger -- 121 arrested in Pattaya for being in underground bars. I hope none of you were among them. It's a very risky game to play, I suppose for the retirees losing 2 weeks being in jail isn't the end of the world. But for those of us with a lot going on it could destroy one's life.
Read about it on the Thaiger -- 121 arrested in Pattaya for being in underground bars. I hope none of you were among them. It's a very risky game to play, I suppose for the retirees losing 2 weeks being in jail isn't the end of the world. But for those of us with a lot going on it could destroy one's life.Even for a retiree I can imagine 2 weeks in a Thai prison will be no fun and games.
Explorer8939
06-28-21, 03:14
Covid is really hitting now.
I lucked out and found one lady who is fully vaccinated. If her girlfriend agrees, I plan to take her on a trip to Bangkok before they lock it down.
Explorer8939
06-28-21, 03:15
Read about it on the Thaiger -- 121 arrested in Pattaya for being in underground bars. I hope none of you were among them. It's a very risky game to play, I suppose for the retirees losing 2 weeks being in jail isn't the end of the world. But for those of us with a lot going on it could destroy one's life.I was caught in one a couple of weeks ago, before the Pattaya police were serious about closing everything down.
Houston Player
06-28-21, 05:41
Covid is really hitting now.
I lucked out and found one lady who is fully vaccinated. If her girlfriend agrees, I plan to take her on a trip to Bangkok before they lock it down.You're too late Bangkok is already closed down again. If she is vaccinated with Sinovac it's almost like she's not vaccinated at all.
You're too late Bangkok is already closed down again. If she is vaccinated with Sinovac it's almost like she's not vaccinated at all.80%+ protection against severe version of the illness and 90%+ protection against death compared to unvaccinated people. I fail to see how it would be "almost like she's not vaccinated" unless she only had 1 dose in which case she'd not yet be vaccinated.
Houston Player
06-28-21, 18:10
80%+ protection against severe version of the illness and 90%+ protection against death compared to unvaccinated people. I fail to see how it would be "almost like she's not vaccinated" unless she only had 1 dose in which case she'd not yet be vaccinated.https://www.thaienquirer.com/28831/delta-variants-danger-and-new-studies-raises-questions-about-thai-vaccine-program/
https://www.thaienquirer.com/28831/delta-variants-danger-and-new-studies-raises-questions-about-thai-vaccine-program/Yes and that article doesn't say unlike what you claimed that being vaccined with this vaccine is the same as not being vaccined at all.
It just says that non mRNA vaccines are less effective against the Delta Variant in terms of preventing contamination.
Yet the main purpose of the vaccine isn't to prevent the transmission from happening (its does lower it and it also lowers the amount of contaminated people with symptoms), but to give your immunity system weapons to fight the virus and lower signeficantly the risk of being hospitalised with a severe covid (80%+) and to prevent death (90%+).
So yeah as long as people don't have access to mRNA vaccines such as Pfizer / Moderna or if they are worried of not knowing the long term effects of mRNA vaccines (not my worry but many people do) it is still much better to take a classic vaccine such as the chinese ones which have been approved by WHO and procure already serious protection against severe illness and death than not being vaccined at all. Same goes for Astra Zeneca despite its bad reputation, it saved much more people than the rare side effects which killed 1 to 2 people every million people who got injected.
Tvataham274
07-06-21, 20:37
Gentlemen,
I am wondering if there is any kind of a detailed how-to guide for visiting Thailand for mongering. Something that covers arrival in the airport to how to find your way around. The closest thing I have found to this is a site called 'kingepic' which has a bunch of detailed video guides / docs, but the joining fee for that is quite high, and I can't find anyone vouching for that site (except for on the site itself).
Any help or pointers would be appreciated.
80%+ protection against severe version of the illness and 90%+ protection against death compared to unvaccinated people. I fail to see how it would be "almost like she's not vaccinated" unless she only had 1 dose in which case she'd not yet be vaccinated.Sinovac is 60/65% efficient, Chinese authorities have admitted. "Western" vaccines are in between 85 and 95% depending o vaccine, individual, number of doses etc.
Banana Boi
07-07-21, 04:18
Gentlemen,
I am wondering if there is any kind of a detailed how-to guide for visiting Thailand for mongering. Something that covers arrival in the airport to how to find your way around. The closest thing I have found to this is a site called 'kingepic' which has a bunch of detailed video guides / docs, but the joining fee for that is quite high, and I can't find anyone vouching for that site (except for on the site itself).
Any help or pointers would be appreciated.Go to the AseanNow site and ask whatever you want to know that is non sex related. You will get accurate answers from the moderators there like UbonJoe. All the information you want to know is on that site.
Things change daily in Thailand. If you read something today about Visas etc that doesn't mean it will be the same rules if you fly out a month from now.
Wolvenvacht
07-07-21, 08:06
Gentlemen,
I am wondering if there is any kind of a detailed how-to guide for visiting Thailand for mongering. Something that covers arrival in the airport to how to find your way around. The closest thing I have found to this is a site called 'kingepic' which has a bunch of detailed video guides / docs, but the joining fee for that is quite high, and I can't find anyone vouching for that site (except for on the site itself).
Any help or pointers would be appreciated.Now is not the best time to visit Thailand for mongering. Access to Thailand is still very restricted, many bars and clubs are still closed and most working girls are still in their villages upcountry.
But, assuming things turn (more) normal in the coming months, mongering in Thailand is like shooting fish in a barrel.
From the airport, either take a taxi or the bus to Pattaya. The bus is very cheap but requires a bit more knowledge to get there. A taxi is about USD 50. Make sure you exchange some money at the airport: USD 100 should do the trick. You can exchange more money later in Pattaya at far better rates.
Book a hotel in Pattaya (using the usual suspects such as booking.com or agoda.com) on Beach Road or Second Road and you will be at walking distance of all the fun. Unless you go for the posh and expensive international chain hotels, you are almost guaranteed to find a "girl friendly" hotel as long as you book a room for 2 persons. If you want to be sure send the hotel an email and ask about their "joiner policy". Good chance they will allow your girlfriend-of-the-hour to visit you without any extra fee to be paid.
What fun is there to be had? Let's start from easy:
* Massage parlours. These are a great way to get introduced to Thailand. Look for a small massage shop, with a few women sitting outside and having curtained beds inside. There are literally hundreds of these shops everywhere. Choose a lady to your liking, or just walk in and you get the first one that is free. They will quote you a price for the massage. Choose "oil massage" for one hour. That gives you both a good massage and some time for the happy ending. Go to a curtained bed, fully undress and lie down on your stomach. When the lady joins you, ask her to undress too and what extras she does. A hand job or a blow job is almost always on the menu. About 500 baht for a hand job and less than 1000 baht for a blow job should be about right. Full sex may be available too, but usually not on the curtained beds. Some shops have rooms upstairs for that kind of fun, but there are better places for full sex. Massage starts with your legs, arms, back and neck. Then she will say "please turn over" and you turn on your back. She probably has already been teasing your jewels during the first part of the massage, so you should show your appreciation for her efforts by sporting a nice erection. Just lie back and relax, she knows how to deal with that. If she is naked too, you can fondle her or just admire her. At the end, get a shower, get dressed, pay her what you agreed and pay the shop for the massage.
* Soi 6 bars: Soi 6 is the famous side street full of bars and girls. Use google maps to have a look. If you haven't been there, you will be surprised. Hundreds of girls line the street, sitting in front of their bar and calling you in. Find one to your liking, go inside the bar, buy her and yourself a drink and before you know it she will ask to go to the room upstairs. Price for "suck and fuck" should be about 1000 baht and a few hundred baht to the bar for the room. Go upstairs with her, undress, shower (very important! Always shower because Thai girls are generally very clean and don't like sweaty foreigners) and enjoy your new-found girlfriend. Those visits are strictly a one-shot affair. You enter, you cum, you pay, you leave. Please note that it is usual to pay AFTER she serviced you. If she was particularly nice, you can give her a little tip but tipping is not something Thai people expect. Especially in restaurants, you don't tip. They may find it even insulting.
* beer bars: This is the next level. These are open bars you find also almost everywhere. If you see a lot of unaccompanied ladies sitting idle in a bar, you are at the right spot. Here you have to work a little harder. Make some eye contact with the lady you fancy, buy her a drink (the so-called "lady drink" which is twice as expensive as your drink because she gets a commission fee on it), chat her up a little and before long she will ask to come to your room or you can ask if she wants to join you in your room. Negotiate a price for either "short time" which is about 2 hours maximum or "long time" which is the whole night. Prices vary depending on the bar, her looks, how desperate for money she is and a host of other factors nobody has ever been able to understand. 2000 baht should be sufficient for "short time". "Long time" is anything above that. But I have had times I got one for 1500 baht the whole night and at other times I couldn't get a "short time" for less than 3000 baht. No problem. You will also have to pay the bar a "bar fine" (about 500 baht) to be allowed to take her to your place. The "bar fine" is usually non-negotiable. If you cannot agree on a price, just finish your drink, say goodbye and go to another bar. 1000 of other ladies are waiting for you. Don't try your luck with another lady in the same bar. That is bad form. ALWAYS negotiate clearly what you want. Standard is suck & fuck, but if you want anything beyond that, ask her before you cut the deal. Don't be shy, she has heard (and done) it all already.
* agogo bars. These are essentially up-market beer bars. They are not open to the street as the beer bars, but inside. Inside the ladies dance naked or scantily clad, but the routine is essentially the same as in a beer bar, just more expensive. For the price of a few drinks, you can just sit inside and ogle the flesh. If you call a lady over (they have numbered tags to make it easy to call them) and pay her a lady drink, you may perhaps even play a little with her and feel her up. Otherwise: see the beer bar routine explained above.
* streetwalkers: On beach road as from sunset, streetwalkers are available. For a newbie, I advise against using their services. They are dirt cheap, but you have to take them to your room and it has been known that they sometimes leave your room with some of your belongings. It is of course always advisable to put your belongings out of sight.
Have fun!
Tvataham274
07-07-21, 18:11
Wow. I ask for a tiny bit of help and you went out of your way to flood me with all that info. Thank you very much Wolvenvacht and Banana!
I'm thinking I am going to go either later this year, or early next. Just depends when things reopen and quarantine is restricted. I do have a few more general questions, if you could.
How easy is it to get around speaking only English? From what I've seen, most people have a decent grasp of it and I won't be SOL if I have to ask directions.
Where would I change money? At the hotel, or do they have ATMs? Related, should I be bringing cash in USD, or would using a credit card work for getting / changing money better? (I think money is so-so, it puts a hard limit on what I spend for playtime but it always comes with the risk of traveling with it.).
What about cellular service? Do airports have a place I can buy a local sim card for data? I'm opposed to spending money on roaming for my plan, as on my trip to the DR I only used mobile data for google voice translate and I used under 1 gb the whole week trip.
Taxis, from my understanding they have Uber there, and I should be fine getting around with that, yea?
Thank you gentleman again on this. I greatly appreciate it.
HorseTrader
07-07-21, 19:11
Wow. I ask for a tiny bit of help and you went out of your way to flood me with all that info. Thank you very much Wolvenvacht and Banana!
I'm thinking I am going to go either later this year, or early next. Just depends when things reopen and quarantine is restricted. I do have a few more general questions, if you could.
How easy is it to get around speaking only English? From what I've seen, most people have a decent grasp of it and I won't be SOL if I have to ask directions.
Where would I change money? At the hotel, or do they have ATMs? Related, should I be bringing cash in USD, or would using a credit card work for getting / changing money better? (I think money is so-so, it puts a hard limit on what I spend for playtime but it always comes with the risk of traveling with it.).
What about cellular service? Do airports have a place I can buy a local sim card for data? I'm opposed to spending money on roaming for my plan, as on my trip to the DR I only used mobile data for google voice translate and I used under 1 gb the whole week trip.
Taxis, from my understanding they have Uber there, and I should be fine getting around with that, yea?
Thank you gentleman again on this. I greatly appreciate it.Good newbie questions, I've added a couple other things at the end that you didn't ask.
1. English Only. If you stick to the tourist areas, you will find plenty of people that speak English. I've only left tourist areas a couple of times and language barrier wasn't easy, but also wasn't a disaster.
2. Money Exchange. Tourist areas are overloaded with cash exchange places. For US Dollars, you will get better exchange rate if you bring $100 bills. A friend told me that sometimes they insist on newish bills. My main source of cash is the ATM. I bring 2 cards, just in case one of them screws up. Many banks charge a fortune for foreign ATMs and also have lousy exchange rates. I recommend Fidelity because it has no foreign ATM fees, it reimburses the local Thai ATM fee, and has a very good exchange rate. I'm told Charles Schwab has the same deal. Perhaps your investment house has something good. Be sure to set up for Thai ATMs before you leave home. I do bring some cash, just in case the ATMs don't work. Always have a backup to your backup. Get some Thai cash at the airport, the BKK airport has many ATM machines (I can't remember if they are at the luggage claim level or lower with the taxis. Be sure to have Thai cash for the taxi.
3. Cellular Service. Thailand has good cell service and their plans are dirt cheap. Many Thai hotels have lousy WiFi, don't count on that. I use my expensive USA cell plan for the day of arrival, but after sleeping I take a walk to a nearby mall and find a cellular service store and buy a SIM card. In February 2020 a DTAC SIM card, 200 minutes of calling, and 10 GB of data was under 500 baht. I exhausted my 200 minutes, but it was easy to go to a local 7-11 to increase my minutes for about 100 baht. Bring with you a SIM tool and small envelope for your original SIM card, they are easy to lose. You will need to be the person to switch from your Thai SIM to your home SIM. There are cell phone stores at the airport, but upon arrival I'm too tired to deal with that stuff.
4. Taxi Service. Highly available in all tourist areas. The driver will probably try to negotiate a fixed price to get you from point A to B, don't do it. Insist that he use the meter, which will save you substantial money. By my USA standards, Thai taxis are a nice experience in terms of car condition, driver attitude, and price. Thailand may have Uber, I haven't used it. People have written about Grab service, but I haven't tried them. BKK airport has multiple levels for transportation, the standard taxis are one level lower than limos, etc. If going from BKK airport to a Sukhumvit area hotel, expect the taxi driver to request cash for 2 (?) tolls along the way as you go through toll booths. The price to pay him will be displayed on the meter when you arrive at your hotel.
5. Credit Cards - Most substantial businesses in Thailand accept credit cards. I doubt the little businesses do (e.g., food carts). Be sure to pre-arrange with your bank so your card is accepted. For my credit cards, exchange rates and surcharges are really bad. I've never tried my credit card in an ATM for cash, but supposedly it will work. I use my credit card only for airplanes and some hotels.
6. Hotel Payments - I use Hotels.com for advanced reservations and pay in my country's currency. Sometimes AGODA has better rates. If I'm going to a privately owned resort or hotel, I negotiate my rate based on cash payment, this saves some money since I get better exchange rate through ATM with Fidelity than I do with my credit card. The hotel operator also might give a better rate for cash.
7. Exchanging your Thai Currency for Home Currency - This is best to do at the BKK airport on your way home. The exchange rate is actually very good as the money exchange place is happy to sell their foreign currency at higher price than they can get elsewhere. The cash exchange place is in the baggage check area on the extreme right side (as viewed from where the taxi drops you off).
Tvataham274
07-07-21, 20:15
3. Cellular Service. Thailand has good cell service and their plans are dirt cheap. Many Thai hotels have lousy WiFi, don't count on that. I use my expensive USA cell plan for the day of arrival, but after sleeping I take a walk to a nearby mall and find a cellular service store and buy a SIM card. In February 2020 a DTAC SIM card, 200 minutes of calling, and 10 GB of data was under 500 baht. I exhausted my 200 minutes, but it was easy to go to a local 7-11 to increase my minutes for about 100 baht. Bring with you a SIM tool and small envelope for your original SIM card, they are easy to lose. You will need to be the person to switch from your Thai SIM to your home SIM. There are cell phone stores at the airport, but upon arrival I'm too tired to deal with that stuff.
4. Taxi Service. Highly available in all tourist areas. The driver will probably try to negotiate a fixed price to get you from point A to B, don't do it. Insist that he use the meter, which will save you substantial money. By my USA standards, Thai taxis are a nice experience in terms of car condition, driver attitude, and price. Thailand may have Uber, I haven't used it. People have written about Grab service, but I haven't tried them. BKK airport has multiple levels for transportation, the standard taxis are one level lower than limos, etc. If going from BKK airport to a Sukhumvit area hotel, expect the taxi driver to request cash for 2 (?) tolls along the way as you go through toll booths. The price to pay him will be displayed on the meter when you arrive at your hotel.All great info.
For the cell phone, they only want to switch the sim themselves, right? I would obviously want to keep my main sim with me. I get to keep it, correct?
How does one arrange a taxi on the way back to the airport? I assume you just flag one down at the airport to go to the hotel, but going back I imagine would be harder to get a taxi that is local to go all the way to the airport.
Thanks again.
And as an aside, how long until I can post without moderator approval? Curious.
Crocodilexp
07-07-21, 21:21
* streetwalkers: On beach road as from sunset, streetwalkers are available. For a newbie, I advise against using their services. They are dirt cheap, but you have to take them to your room and it has been known that they sometimes leave your room with some of your belongings. It is of course always advisable to put your belongings out of sight.Good info in general, but this is just prejudice and hearsay. I've been with literally hundreds of streetwalkers from Beach Road, and never had a single thing missing or anything else untoward happening. They are great value, no bullshit (unlike some bars, coyotes, "massages" and whatnot) so if you see the one you like, go for it.
Don't be drunk, avoid girls who appear high or drunk, easy as that. I don't have cash or gold laying around, but if they wanted to nick a 1000 baht from my wallet while I'm taking a shower they easily could have, but nobody ever did. Some sessions are not as good as others and a handful of them I had to cut short with minimal token payment for various reasons, but that's par for the course.
The only time I got drugged and robbed was when picking up an ostensible "civilian" on Khao San Road.
Mr Enternational
07-07-21, 21:49
Good info in general, but this is just prejudice and hearsay. I've been with literally hundreds of streetwalkers from Beach Road, and never had a single thing missing or anything else untoward happening. Besides that, you do not have to take them to your room. You can go to a short time room or love motel as well. Never a problem with a Thai BR chick. Took a Western Asian one once, and she thought I was about to pay her first though. Out the door in the rain she went.
Christian G
07-07-21, 22:06
I've been with literally hundreds of streetwalkers from Beach Road, and never had a single thing missing or anything else untoward happening. I agree, I never had safety issue with street walkers on beach road. The worst problem I had were some bad and rushed rooms.
My experience with crime in Thailand for what it's worth.
1) I was pickpocketed by a ladyboy. I was out walking about 4 am and a ladyboy tried to get me to take her. I said no, she got all handy grabbing at me, not in a threatening way but uncomfortable if you don't want it. I finally got away and thirty minutes later noticed my pocket undone and about 900 thb missing.
2) A girl I took to my hotel room from a beer bar took my sandals. She said her shoes didn't work anymore or some such BS. And she had to have mine to leave. And argued to the point I said ok. I went back to her bar about 15 minutes after she left and got them back. I think she just wanted me to need to see her again so took them as a reason.
3) I've been way too drunk in the middle of night and needed bar girls to find me a taxi. They're always sweet and always help. So I've had more help then harm when drunk and stupid in Thailand.
I agree, I never had safety issue with street walkers on beach road. The worst problem I had were some bad and rushed rooms.
How does one arrange a taxi on the way back to the airport? I assume you just flag one down at the airport to go to the hotel, but going back I imagine would be harder to get a taxi that is local to go all the way to the airport.There are quite a few companies that provide this service. I used Cherry's Taxi and it was 1000 thb from my hotel in Pattaya to BKK.
Banana Boi
07-08-21, 05:12
Never had any issues with crime in Thailand. Never had a fabled runner. Had more problem with theft at 5 star hotels in Vegas and Montreal than in Thailand hotels. Had a Farang who wanted to fight me in a Soi 6 bar because I was hogging the girl he wanted to take. I sent the girl to him because I wanted her to make money. To no one's surprise she refused to go with him. A couple of Pattaya taxi fare disputes after the taxi reaches the agreed price and destination. A couple of incidents with bars overcharging me for drinks adding lady drinks of girls I don't even know. Always check your bill especially if you run up big bills! Been accosted by tourist police twice by gogo bars I am not a regular at accusing me for not paying for a drink. Nothing came of it of course with the tourist police on the tourist's side.
I don't walk around Pattaya in a drunken stupor. That is just asking for trouble.
For the cell phone, they only want to switch the sim themselves, right? I would obviously want to keep my main sim with me. I get to keep it, correct?
How does one arrange a taxi on the way back to the airport? I assume you just flag one down at the airport to go to the hotel, but going back I imagine would be harder to get a taxi that is local to go all the way to the airport.
And as an aside, how long until I can post without moderator approval?Of course you keep your old SIM card.
Lots of taxi services you call to pre-book a taxi. They are very reliable and pick you up at a designated time. Also a much nicer car than a regular taxi. Should be 800 to 1000 baht to the airport.
You get approval from the mods after you buy them some sticky rice and mango and take them to Windmill, offering to buy some lady drinks.
Tvataham274
07-09-21, 03:11
All great reports. I've read some of the Phuket reports going back a couple of pages, and they are well written and in depth. So I'm fairly sure what to expect when I get there.
How do you guys do laundry? Do hotels have coin run machines and whatnot?
Do you think I would be fine staying something like 7-12 days with a single carry on? Think I was able to fit three changes of clothing in the bag the last time I traveled.
All great reports. I've read some of the Phuket reports going back a couple of pages, and they are well written and in depth. So I'm fairly sure what to expect when I get there.
How do you guys do laundry? Do hotels have coin run machines and whatnot?
Do you think I would be fine staying something like 7-12 days with a single carry on? Think I was able to fit three changes of clothing in the bag the last time I traveled.Laundry: In Pattaya very cheap. There are laundries on seemingly every Soi and they are dirt cheap. Many hotels do laundry at a good price as well. In BKK, I google to find a laundry near my hotel.
If my hotel charges too much for laundry. Laundries are operated by employees who collect your clothes, then wash and dry. You pick clothes up the next day. No need to deal with machines or coins yourself.
Single carryon should work fine for 7-12 days. You can always buy t-shirts cheaply all over Thailand if you're not a big guy. I wear t-shirts or polo shirts every day but I only wear dryfit or moisture wicking shirts due to the heat.
BTW I've been on this website for years. I goofed up once and have been on moderation ever since. Behave yourself and you'll eventually avoid having posts moderated. And don't be shy to fire away with questions. Most of us are eager to help.
Curfew in Greater Bangkok from Monday.
Mall closures and other curbs to last 2 weeks, same rules apply in southern border provinces
July 9, 2021.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2146271/curfew-in-greater-bangkok-from-monday
Strict measures, including a curfew, will be imposed in Bangkok and five adjacent provinces for two weeks starting from Monday as the government attempts to curb the soaring number of new Covid-19 infections.
The same 9pm-4am curfew will also be imposed in the four southernmost provinces of Narathiwat, Pattani, Songkhla and Yala.
The tightened measures affect Greater Bangkok, which encompasses the capital and the five neighboring provinces of Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Nakhon Pathom, Samut Prakan and Samut Sakhon.
The announcement was made by the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) on Friday afternoon.
Measures to be imposed in Greater Bangkok include the closure of department store malls except for businesses such as supermarkets, which will be allowed to operate until 8pm.
Other premises allowed to open until 8pm in the malls are banks, chemists, shops selling communication devices and vaccination centers.
Other measures in Greater Bangkok are:
All eateries to close at 8pm.
Work for home encouraged for all businesses.
Strict enforcement of social distancing measures.
No public transport services from 9pm to 3am.
Closure of public parks at 9pm.
Closure of all infection-risk businesses such as salons, spas and traditional massage parlours.
No gatherings of more than five people, except for religious functions.
Convenience stores and night markets closed from 8pm to 4am.
CCSA assistant spokeswoman Apisamai Srirungson stressed the lockdown measures focus on Greater Bangkok. However, checkpoints would be set up from Saturday in all provinces to discourage people's movements, she said.
Greater Bangkok is the center of the third virus surge that began in early April, triggered by the arrival of the Delta strain first found in India. New cases have also soared in the four southern provinces, but mostly the Beta variant first detected in South Africa.
Health officials said the Delta variant would soon dominate in Thailand.
The measures were announced as new transmissions continued to rise and with no let up in fatalities, even though all workers' camps have been closed and dining-in banned at eateries since Monday.
Thailand logged a record high of 75 fatalities on Wednesday and the second highest number of new infections, 9,276, on Thursday. The highest number of daily infections was 9,635 on May 17. Another 72 deaths were recorded on Friday.
There is also a serious bed shortage as more patients stay longer in hospitals and the rate of discharges slows. More than 700 people are on ventilators.
Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, who chaired the CCSA meeting on Friday, reportedly directed authorities to keep new infections down during the semi-lockdown period and said all measures to fight the outbreak would be adjusted to better cope with the rapid virus spread.
The prime minister also decided to take a three-month pay cut to save state budget funds for the fight against the pandemic. Other cabinet ministers then followed.
Gen Prayut receives 125,590 baht a month, from a salary of 75,900 baht and position allowance of 50,000 baht. He does not receive a salary as the defence minister. A cabinet member is allowed to receive a salary from only one position, the highest-paid one.
Limiting the lockdown to selected provinces was favored by business leaders to minimize the economic damage.
HorseTrader
07-10-21, 17:29
Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.
Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?
Danny Duck
07-10-21, 19:16
Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.
Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?P.S. I commend you for not calling them your Girlfriends.
Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.
Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?No Bkk girls asked you for money over the past 10 months and now three have done so over the past 5 days?
Hmm. Then I wonder if it is more than a coincidence that I decided to cut off 2-3 previous long time favorites and repeats of mine about 5 days ago due to overuse and boredom with them? Hehe.
It was always a small world. But for doable or better girls in Bkk, it has never been smaller 😉
Sinovac is 60/65% efficient, Chinese authorities have admitted. "Western" vaccines are in between 85 and 95% depending o vaccine, individual, number of doses etc.Yes Sinovac lowers symptomatic contamination by 67% and it lowers by 80+% hospitalisation or death.
So that's far from being the same as not being vaccined unlike what was claimed by the other poster. And for the people who can't get access to mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or are worried about their unkown long term effects (I don't but some people do), it provides a pretty decent alternative and is way better than not being vaccined. If you can get a shot from mRNA vaccines the protection will be even stronger for sure.
Franciscass
07-11-21, 09:27
Over the last 5 days I've had 3 girls request money from me. Over the previous 10 months I had zero requests. Two girls from Nana Plaza and one unrelated to mongering. All live in BKK.
Very sad. Scary to many. Has something changed suddenly or is this the grind of COVID?Coming up there might well be some more asking for help. A number of girls who recently came back to Bangkok when foot only massage (wink wink) was allowed unless they get out of town today will not be able to get back home for the next two weeks. Unless they have some savings or an understanding landlord or know the back roads out of Bangkok with no government support they will definitely be feeling the pinch and will need help more especially if the shutdown is extended pass the 26th. As you surmise its shit sad with no end in sight.
Houston Player
07-11-21, 13:26
Yes Sinovac lowers symptomatic contamination by 67% and it lowers by 80+% hospitalisation or death.
So that's far from being the same as not being vaccined unlike what was claimed by the other poster. And for the people who can't get access to mRNA vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) or are worried about their unkown long term effects (I don't but some people do), it provides a pretty decent alternative and is way better than not being vaccined. If you can get a shot from mRNA vaccines the protection will be even stronger for sure.https://thethaiger.com/?p=411044
I agree with you that it's better than nothing but ALMOST like not being vaccinated. LOL.
https://thethaiger.com/?p=411044
I agree with you that it's better than nothing but ALMOST like not being vaccinated. LOL.Far from it. The article says out of 677,000 medical workers who got vaccined, 618 became positive, 1 in critical conditions, 1 dead.
Considering how exposed medical personel can be to this illness it surelly sounds much better than not being vaccinated.
And considering they don't have enough available mRNA doses, it's not like they have any other choice.
SpirouleGroom
07-11-21, 15:38
Far from it. The article says out of 677,000 medical workers who got vaccined, 618 became positive, 1 in critical conditions, 1 dead.
Considering how exposed medical personel can be to this illness it surelly sounds much better than not being vaccinated.
And considering they don't have enough available mRNA doses, it's not like they have any other choice.It's the 10th of July and still some are clinging to the magic vaccine wand. Spoiler alert, Israel will be in full lockdown by Sept. The writing is on the wall. As for Thailand, 2100 deaths for a pop of 68 M. Full lockdown is indeed unavoidable. We have entered the final stage of this masquerade and it will get real nasty. Third shots and 4th shots are under way. Will you let double shot foreigners enter your country when Epsilon Beta Gamme new variant arise in Mongolia? No, way too risky. In order to remain in a decent mental state, forget about all this sanitary story telling. It's an attrition war in order to keep you at home.
Explorer8939
07-15-21, 06:17
It's the 10th of July and still some are clinging to the magic vaccine wand. Spoiler alert, Israel will be in full lockdown by Sept. The writing is on the wall. As for Thailand, 2100 deaths for a pop of 68 M. Full lockdown is indeed unavoidable. We have entered the final stage of this masquerade and it will get real nasty. Third shots and 4th shots are under way. Will you let double shot foreigners enter your country when Epsilon Beta Gamme new variant arise in Mongolia? No, way too risky. In order to remain in a decent mental state, forget about all this sanitary story telling. It's an attrition war in order to keep you at home.Israel has a tiny number of cases, due to mass vaccination and the numbers will be smaller in September due to even more vaccination.
But Thailand is a mess. Apart from the low vaccination rate, there are fears that Sinovac is helpless against the Delta variant.
Tvataham274
07-16-21, 02:33
So if I'm looking at this correctly, if I was doing say, a 15 day stay, all that I would need would be a certification of entry and 100 k covid insurance.
For the COE you need flight itinerary and reservations for all of the hotels that you will be staying at.
Also currently you need documentation on the approved hotels that you will be staying at for quarantine. (I expect this will change if / when they remove the 14 day quarantine requirement.)
Am I correct that this is the site to apply for a COE.
https://coethailand.mfa.go.th/regis/step?language=en
And this is the site to apply for covid insurance?
https://direct.axa.co.th/TA-Inbound/CoverageOptionPlan
Explorer8939
07-17-21, 04:30
Over 10,000 new cases reported today.
Soon there will be less posts about how to enter Thailand, and more about how to leave.
Explorer8939
07-17-21, 04:53
New restrictions coming, per the CCSA.
Member #4698
07-20-21, 19:35
"The government has signed a supply agreement for 20 million doses of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, three months after it said it would buy them.
The delivery is expected in the fourth quarter of this year."
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2151939/contract-to-buy-20m-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-signed
So unless you are willing to jump through hoops and play sand box derby, the 1st quarter of 2022 is the soonest you can expect the Thai Government to ease up and allow things to come back on line and by that I mean when we will be able to fly into BKK, go anywhere we want in country, when we want, with no restrictions, no rules, no quarantines, no lockdowns, no curfews and hopefully with a significant number of bars, clubs, lounges, massage parlors, and Go Go's open and ready (starving) for business.
I have my hotel reservations already booked for March / April / May. These reservations are all pay later, no penalty cancellations up until the day before arrival, and are all at a significant 50% or more discount from pre-covid prices which is why I locked them in. But I will hold off on flight reservations until early January 2022 when I decide for real if I am actually going to Thailand in spring 2022.
BTW if I do go, I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.
Crocodilexp
07-20-21, 21:38
I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.
The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.
Member #4698
07-20-21, 22:01
I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.
The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.Croc, I am more optimistic than you and at least for the next couple of years I see an opportunity.
Covid has ravaged the economies of Thailand, Cambodia, Burma, and the PI. I think there will be plenty of young girls looking to enter the market for the 1st time to make some serious foreign exchange plus many experienced girls will return.
Demand will always be there, but it remains to be seen how soon it will recover to pre-covid levels. For example, I think many NE Asian international companies might prefer to keep their current internet communication setups and as a result international business travel may lag for years.
We shall see what we see, but I think 2022 should be pretty good.
Franciscass
07-21-21, 07:53
I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.
July 30, 2021
First 1.5 million doses of US-donated Pfizer vaccine have arrived in Thailand.
The Biden-led government has pledged to give a million more doses of the mRNA vaccine to the kingdom in the coming months.
https://www.timeout.com/bangkok/news/first-1-5-million-doses-of-us-donated-pfizer-vaccine-have-arrived-in-thailand-073021
On Friday (July 30), the first batch of Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccines donated by the US government landed at Suvarnabhumi Airport to provide support for the kingdom to fight the worrying healthcare crisis.
Now that the situation in the US seems to be under control, the Biden-Harris administration has agreed to lend their helping hands in giving support to the international COVID fight by 'sharing' at least 80 million doses of its own Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine supply to countries in need, 23 million of which will be provided to Asia. Thailand, being the US' "oldest ally in Asia," will receive a total of 2.5 million doses in two batches, with the first batch of 1,503,450 doses has arrived by a DHL fleet.
These donations are in addition to the United States $4 billion in commitments to COVAX, the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access Initiative.
Recognized by its high efficacy examined through wide-ranging researches, the Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine has been one of the most widely accepted vaccines approved by many countries to provide to the general public.
According to an infographic released by the Prime Minister Operations Center (PMOC)m, these 1.5 million US-donated vaccine doses will be distributed to five groups of frontliners and high-risk individuals:
700,000 doses to medical frontliners across the country.
645,000 doses to Thai citizens highly prone to risks:
Senior citizens (60+ years of age).
Individuals with severe chronic diseases.
Pregnant women (with 12-week pregnancy).
Individuals planning to travel abroad, such as diplomats.
5,000 doses to academic researchers.
40,000 doses will be kept as spare supplies in case of a new variant outbreak.
The US Embassy in Bangkok has reaffirmed through the press announcement that an additional one million vaccine doses will arrive soon.
GuyBrusg1957
07-31-21, 07:10
Only two million? Ugh. It's going to take forever until Thailand recovers at this rate.
LittleBigMan
07-31-21, 13:16
On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal.
Then you got a great idea not to join Covax because they put all their marbles with the AZ promising they can produce 10 million when they barely could scrap up 6 million all to boost their dream of being the medical hub of SEA trying to monopolize the use of AZ would have put the many of these crooks into the billionaire club as it has for Pfizer and Moderna. When Laos got their million doses of Pfizer through the Covax program before Thailand it burns the hell out of their leaders even their general population show their dissatisfaction towards the PM it was only then the Kg family stepped forward and donated 2. 8 billion baht to help procure more. Of course, plenty of money drop in the bucket guess who is manufacturing the AZ.
It is a mess but if you know Thailand how the country is really run, all things are structure the mess is a no-brainer as to why they can't control the spread. I am not a world traveler like many of you but when it comes to Thailand they really give a new meaning to the government can't run anything. Nearly every position from top to bottom is appointed based on who you know and not on qualification it is a close shop to family members and who you know.
When it comes to vaccines, yes only 2 million but USA Shouldn't be responsible to take care of this mess they are lucky to get 1. 5 million when given it was suggested the USA Diplomatic way that 20% should go to our ex-pat living in Thailand, they have since backstep, sidetrack to that hint. I have no problem waiting so it can be given to those Thai trying their best to help others so if the 1. 5 is all gone I'm not whining what I'm whining about is that it is given to the leaders without any transparency or accountability even Thai Doctors had a demonstration this week and demanded an explanation from the USA Embassy representative as to where is all the vaccine.
The USA Shouldn't be responsible for the vaccination of this country they have already promised another 2 plus million doses, given in cash commitment of 20 million USD, another 40 million in PPE where you guys think all the testing equipment is coming from to produce the number we see every day. Japan has donated 200,000 AZ, the Brits also made donations yet the fucking CCP is still selling water to the Thai leaders, and to make sure they can skim off the top they continue to buy.
Phuket the sandbox is in quicksand but it is the culture of Thai leaders to continue so they don't lose face the outbreak numbers are coming from locals throughout Thailand who is headed to the sandbox to get jobs infected or not now they closed off any travel into Phuket Thais. They are already indicating they are starting to put the brakes on the other places from opening. In spite of the mess, the heat is on their leaders even the Mai Pen Rai Thais are getting angry and impatient I cross my fingers in spite of these idiots that sooner or later we will have enough vaccine choices so people don't step over themselves to get to them. I was joking with the wife today about how you liking the Chinese now she said " why I not want talk bad about your people " I said what I tell you " I'm made in the USA.
Locamotive
07-31-21, 19:59
I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.
The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.What you need and I imagine most mongers have is a stable of regulars. True allot went home and will probably never come back. I get text everyday. When you come back. ASAP dear when practical. Also remember how many thousands are turning 18 everyday that want to give it a try. Over the year's new ones have always showed up either as freelancers or Go-Go bars Supply will always return. In a few years maybe less we will be back to normal, maybe not the girls you once knew but a whole new group. Variety is the spice of life. Stay positive.
I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.This is a pretty good assessment of the situation here in Thailand. I think if you come here to stay long-term (3 months or more), then it could still be worthwhile to get to Thailand; assuming that all you cared about was straight-to-the-point P4 P inside your room all day (and nothing else). But if you need all that other extra stuff besides the P4 P (nightlife atmosphere, social crowds, etc.), then you are better off staying back in your home country. And in my opinion, anything less than 3 months would not be worth it.
Based on my own perspective of the bureaucracy here in Thailand, I had previously predicted a mid-year '22 timeframe of when things could start to get back to normal. After this 3rd wave of Covid here in Thailand, that prediction might be considered optimistic on my part. But I'll stick with that prediction for now and still say that things will start looking up again for Thailand when the requirement to wear facemasks is no longer there. This will be my gauge of when things are returning to normalcy.
Explorer8939
08-01-21, 02:48
I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.
The ladies have few customers, and a lot have lost boyfriends due to lack of cash. So the ladies are eager to please, and some are dick starved. And very polite "can I suck your dick now? I line them up, and they come to my place, most come early (I don't miss the bars, talking to other Farangs, or any of that social stuff). In exchange, I get ladies fucking my face with their pussies while another lady does cowgirl on my dick. Just about every day.
On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers.This pretty much sums it up: https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-health-minister-has-a-slash-at-dirty-farang.
On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal..In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.
That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.
Crocodilexp
08-01-21, 23:49
I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?
In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.
A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?
I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.
Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?
In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.
A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?
I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.I wasn't coming here from about 1995 to 2012 and can't compare Pattaya today to pre-Covid times because I have not gone there to monger in at least a year. But the pickins' are extremely slim for doable P4P girls in Bangkok these days, and I'm certainly not talking about body weight. Good new girls are a rare find. More difficult than it has ever been.
Sure, getting them cheaper is easier. But my god they are pathetic at their job. And it isn't that the girls showing up lately are new to the game. They are not. Just bad at the job even under supposedly significant economic pressure to find a customer and repeat with him.
And the few remaining "lookers" are still the worst. I get multiple Line messages every day from one of the best lookers that gathers nightly outside of Thermae begging for a repeat. She would have to pay me to repeat that dreary experience.
But my favorite repeats from pre-Covid times are still winners for me, thankfully. And I am dating more non P4P girls who come through like champs in the sack.
GuyBrusg1957
08-02-21, 03:13
When I was last in Bangkok around 2018 I thought the Soapy Massages. Poseidon, Emmanuel, etc. Had plenty of excellent options.
Explorer8939
08-02-21, 05:40
Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?
In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.
A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?
I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.
Of course, now with no customers, the ladies are eager to please. It is possible that one big difference is the lack of availability of local men, apart from customers. The number of random Thai men hanging around is small, and many ladies don't have cash to support a man. So, I suspect some ladies that visit me actually horny. Some complain about not having sex for a long, long time time.
If women thought like men, they could just go down to a homeless shelter or food donation area and give a guy a couple of hundred baht for a quickie, but it doesn’t work like that.
Explorer8939
08-02-21, 05:45
In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.
That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.Oh, I found one, sort of. Her father is from China, but is Zuang, not Han Chinese.
The rich Chinese Thais typically had ancestors who came from Guangdong in the late 19th century, so they typically don't speak Cantonese anymore. They are Chinese genetically, but much of the culture has been lost.
Crocodilexp
08-03-21, 22:03
I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.
Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.
Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.
Explorer8939
08-03-21, 22:33
Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.
Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.
Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.Plenty of hardened bargirls in Pattaya pre-2010. Walking Street was filled with them.
Conversely, I run into fresh off the bus new ladies all the time, until Covid closed the bars.
HorseTrader
08-03-21, 23:56
Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.In 2018 there were many hotties at Lords soapy massage. If I recall, prices were 6000 to 11,000 THB for 90 minutes, much more expensive than what is usually discussed in this forum.
Were the pre-2004 top flight girls even hotter than the 2018 11,000 THB soapy girls?
Explorer8939
08-04-21, 03:48
The biggest change for me was in 2017, when I started getting social media addresses from ladies. Before 2017, it was fuck them and forget them, because on my subsequent trip, my previous barfines were mostly long gone from their bars.
Now, I can repeat with the same ladies over the years. That's one of the reasons why some of my sessions are so good, the ladies are more comfortable with a repeat customer.
"Customer before" is very powerful for a bargirl. They will escape from their boyfriend and go fuck a customer because they can rationalize it as "customer before".
Explorer8939
08-04-21, 03:52
I will never understand why anyone would sponsor a lady living in a bar district like Pattaya.
If the lady wants to retire from the biz, she will go home. If she still lives in a bar area, it is to service customers. It's that simple.
I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.
Mr Enternational
08-04-21, 06:19
I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.
Member #4753
08-04-21, 10:52
There are many types of sponsors in Thailand but not all are gullible fools.
There is certainly a group that is the typically naive farang that is really clueless towards the situation and just blindly sends cash. He does understand the situation nor Thai culture. He certainly does not know that if they are not in Thailand 24/7 than their "girl" is most likely seeing someone else or still working. This type of guy is getting royally fucked and sadly a lot of it is his own fault.
There is also a second group of sponsors that knows exactly what they are getting into. They probably have a wife / girlfriend back home, may have others girls they sponsor in different countries. In a world that is becoming increasingly wealthier there are tons of these guys. The benefits of to this kind of arrangement in that rather than being in nana or Pattaya every night they have someone that is ready to go when they hit town. Hanging out at Nana, Patpong or Pattaya every night does get boring IMHO.
So, not all sponsors are as dumb as we all assume.
Explorer8939
08-04-21, 13:39
That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.You are right about that, a lady today told me some guy gave her 15,000 baht a month with no strings attached. For years.
I had 4 ladies over today. The highlight was taking a shower with one silicon enhanced dark brown lady. Otherwise, it was hours of dealing with horny drunken naked ladies. I'm tired.
Seriously, I don't believe they are all horny, but they are desperate to keep me as a customer, so it's all good.
One of the ladies posted on Facebook a photo from my place, and got 100 likes, mostly from Lonely Guys.
That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.
Mr Enternational
08-04-21, 21:11
Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.
It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.
Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.
It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.
HorseTrader
08-04-21, 21:49
This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. The forum is about more than P4P situations.
Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.It's not true, sometimes emotions can get over and they are not able to deal with it.
It also happens the other way, for the guys that fall in love with a sex worker, he cannot deal with it, and some of them become sponsors.
These girls are human, they can fall in love too, but that doesn't mean they won't go fuck around when the guy is not there.
It's not true, sometimes emotions can get over and they are not able to deal with it.
It also happens the other way, for the guys that fall in love with a sex worker, he cannot deal with it, and some of them become sponsors.
These girls are human, they can fall in love too, but that doesn't mean they won't go fuck around when the guy is not there.If you guys want to fall in love with a stripper and become a sugar daddy feel free. Good luck with that, but you have to understand for everyone else how strange this all sounds to 'sponsor' a thai girl. Its a strange setup anywhere, not just thailand.
Mr Enternational
08-07-21, 19:53
If you guys want to fall in love with a stripper and become a sugar daddy feel free. Good luck with that, but you have to understand for everyone else how strange this all sounds to 'sponsor' a thai girl. Its a strange setup anywhere, not just thailand.It is not just Thailand and it is not just hookers and it is not just men. There are chicks that sponsor dudes, there are dudes that sponsor dudes. Again, this is a people thing and has nothing to do with whether it is a chick or a stripper. There have always been sponsors and there always will be sponsors. I ran into a guy yesterday that was going to the Dominican Republic. He said he sponsors his girl for $300 per month, but he does not mind because she treats him like a king when he is there.
It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.
As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.
Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."
Thailands Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex
https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=news
Couples and lovers should refrain from face to face contact and wear face masks.
There should be no kissing or oral sex, no group sex and cleanliness should be a priority.
The departmental rep responsible for sanitation and sex Dr Pheerayuth Sanugoon spoke to Daily News at the weekend after a young prostitute in Kanchanaburi tested positive raising concerns of a cluster.
It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4 P participants to wear a mask while having sex. As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works for Real Sex and P4 P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.
Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Doctor's message to heart and start demanding a heft surcharge for "boom boom no mask. ".
https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=newsSex with a mask. Is this practically possible? Who is going to check that while doing the thing. So I can say nonsense.
Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.
It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.I totally agree with you. But men need talent for that, like you. Because I totally believe that more talent more free chicks equation even with my personal experience. Happy hunting.
Crazy4Thai
08-11-21, 13:44
SNIP And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.
SNIPI left Thailand in January of 2020 for some medical treatment in the USA. The Thai treatment was ineffective and had to be redone. Now, 19 months later, having satisficed myself by myself with zero help, I assure you that sex with a mask on would indeed be real sex. That is certainly not my first choice but there is no substitute for real pussy. It's all about perspective. Be grateful for what you have.
LittleBigMan
08-11-21, 13:57
It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.
As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.
Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."
Thailands Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex
https://aseannow.com/topic/1226877-thailand%E2%80%99s-department-of-health-advises-people-wear-face-masks-during-sex/?utm_source=LINE&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=newsWhen I read this article what came to mind I wanted to call the guy up as an older Asian and wiser let him know to stop jerking himself off and get out and get some real pussy one he does that the mask nonsense will go away.
Crocodilexp
08-12-21, 00:04
It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.
I also expect a lot more of a paranoid attitudes and mechanical sex. While an occasional "no" and having limits is fine, in the past I had a few girls over-the-top paranoid about one thing or other and there's rarely a bigger turnoff.
Worst of all, the number of girls willing to enter the sex industry, or even veterans re-entering it, will be seriously reduced due to higher perceived risk.
If you think AIDS was bad, that was just an uncertain threat 10 year down the line, whereas Covid is a swift punishment that you also get to pass to your friends and family.
Vaccines will help, but at this point it's clear we won't eradicate Covid and that variants and mutations will remain around. Fears of close contact will persist for years even after Covid eventually becomes harmless to most people.
Once the pandemic subsides, our hobby is in for some dark times, not just in Thailand, but worldwide.
It seems there are forces at play to convince Thai P4P participants as well as everyone else to wear a mask while having sex.
As I recall, early last year I suggested that all the passionate debate about condom vs bareback would pale compared to what was heading down the pike to throw a wrench in the works in terms of serious risk and dangers related to Real Sex and P4P with the then spreading coronavirus pandemic. And got blasted for the prediction, of course. I am sure there will still be a contingency of punters to insist having sex with both you and your partner wearing a mask is every bit as much "Real Sex" as unmasked sex. But that's for another thread I suppose.
Time will tell how seriously the ladies take this Thai Department of Health message to heart and start refusing maskless sex altogether or demanding a hefty surcharge for "boom boom no mask."Don't worry! I speak with many ladies on facebook who are in Bangkok and Pattaya and all what they want is to know when I come back Pattaya to get some gifts and money! They totally don't care of masks or condoms! They care only for money!
And I found new girls profiles on Facebook from girls who were working in Soi 6 Pattaya and gogos in BKK and Pattaya, they only ask me to know if I'm in Pattaya or even in Thailand! We chat little bit, and some girls open the cam on their phone by facebook messenger or Line or Whasapp and when they're sexy I tell them directly I want fuck them bareback! They all say me yes but want money!
So I don't believe one second girls will wear a mask during the sexual act!
Me too I read that on the news, but it's only an advice! Nobody will respect that advice!
I'm fully vaccinated with Pfizer, the onky thing I wait is to come back Pattaya and fuck! And now when I see 1 euro for 39 bahts, it's fucking perfect!
Last year just before the pandemia, 1 euro was 33. Now 1 euro is 39. And some men told me soon, 1 euro will be 40 Bahts. I just wait the good time to change my money!
Explorer8939
08-12-21, 03:26
A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.
.I have ladies forcing me to kiss just about every day. Very intrusive.
Almost as bad as when they climb up and stick their pussy in my mouth.
I left Thailand in January of 2020 for some medical treatment in the USA. The Thai treatment was ineffective and had to be redone. Now, 19 months later, having satisficed myself by myself with zero help, I assure you that sex with a mask on would indeed be real sex. That is certainly not my first choice but there is no substitute for real pussy. It's all about perspective. Be grateful for what you have.Yes, it is true people can still engage in an act of sexual intercourse, with or without a condom, while wearing a mask. A better analogy would have been to relate it to the other behaviors cited in the report; kissing and oral sex.
In which case, the question is how many people would consider it Real Kissing, getting a Real Blowjob or Real DATY while the person doing it is wearing a mask. And I do mean wearing it properly over the mouth and nose, not pushed to the side, no holes cut out of it or anything like that. Lol
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And I found new girls profiles on Facebook from girls who were working in Soi 6 Pattaya and gogos in BKK and Pattaya, they only ask me to know if I'm in Pattaya or even in Thailand! We chat little bit, and some girls open the cam on their phone by facebook messenger or Line or Whasapp and when they're sexy I tell them directly I want fuck them bareback! They all say me yes but want money!
...Ah yes, that is the "surcharge" move I was talking about. I often agree to pay extra for BBFS+CIP in an upfront negotiation. I know you agree to pay a surcharge for bareback when necessary.
If the girls determine it is well established that they take on greater risk of anything potentially serious by engaging in DFK or BBBJ, it is not a stretch to foresee a time when girls who used to jam their tongue down our throat and face dive on our dick before our trousers fell down around our ankles will suddenly decide those behaviors require an extra "How much you pay me for that?" question, even if they really aren't the least bit concerned about the risks personally. It would be the right business move.
A mask during sex is absurd and the girls demanding that will lose too many customers for it to become standard. Unfortunately, I'm afraid we can kiss DFK (proper mouth kissing) goodbye for several years after the pandemic, except with a handful of reckless girls who are up for anything.
I also expect a lot more of a paranoid attitudes and mechanical sex. While an occasional "no" and having limits is fine, in the past I had a few girls over-the-top paranoid about one thing or other and there's rarely a bigger turnoff.
Worst of all, the number of girls willing to enter the sex industry, or even veterans re-entering it, will be seriously reduced due to higher perceived risk.
If you think AIDS was bad, that was just an uncertain threat 10 year down the line, whereas Covid is a swift punishment that you also get to pass to your friends and family.
Vaccines will help, but at this point it's clear we won't eradicate Covid and that variants and mutations will remain around. Fears of close contact will persist for years even after Covid eventually becomes harmless to most people.
Once the pandemic subsides, our hobby is in for some dark times, not just in Thailand, but worldwide.I am with you on most of that. But I am hoping that once nearly everyone in Thailand has been vaccinated, which could easily take years unless an over the counter pill for it replaces the double injection drama soon, then, fingers crossed, the girls will over a reasonable amount of time experience and observe so little sickness for themselves and anyone else in their circle that many will drop irrational fears of those normal sexual behaviors.
I have ladies forcing me to kiss just about every day. Very intrusive.
Almost as bad as when they climb up and stick their pussy in my mouth.How terrible. You must not let them take advantage of you like that. Don't spoil them, pretty soon word will get around and all Thai girls will want to do that to mongers.
Hi guys,
What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?
For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.
I am with you on most of that. But I am hoping that once nearly everyone in Thailand has been vaccinated, which could easily take years unless an over the counter pill for it replaces the double injection drama soon, then, fingers crossed, the girls will over a reasonable amount of time experience and observe so little sickness for themselves and anyone else in their circle that many will drop irrational fears of those normal sexual behaviors.
For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.I'm currently in Pattaya and have no issues getting DFK. When this started and the bars were first closed, Lisa bar girl I had played with several times, and I bought many LD's refused to come meet me. She was afraid of the Covid. Contacted her a few months later and still was afraid. By the time you get here, vaccination will be a requirement to work the bars. Right now the powers that be, are considering a Vaccine Pass for dine-in at restaurants.
For someone who has always liked DFK, especially with willing Thai girls, this is a devastating turn of events. I have to agree, based on my experiences with Thais, that Covid will be the excuse for many to eschew this aspect of full intimacy.It had gotten to the point over the past few years where it was obvious I might not even get horny enough for a girl to fuck her, boner pill or no boner pill, if she is doing the clenched jaw, head turn from a DFK bit.
So it became one of my first questions during an upfront discussion with a girl. The list isn't that long but my first question has been; "Will you do romantic kissing with our tongues gently touching?" It's a deal killer and I will move on if the response is not a clear and somewhat enthusiastic Yes. I don't care if she "might" change her mind in the room. If the girl resists the idea upfront, I know 90% of the time our session will be crap.
In the case of dating site girls, video chatting a moment before asking the question greatly improves the chances for getting that clear Yes.
But I have to say that in the past few months I have encountered more girls who recoiled at the idea of DFK and walked away without hesitation from ~2,000 baht ST deals for fear of "Covid." I'm talking about girls standing in front of (closed) Thermae and online dating sites.
Explorer8939
08-18-21, 03:51
I'm currently in Pattaya and have no issues getting DFK. When this started and the bars were first closed, Lisa bar girl I had played with several times, and I bought many LD's refused to come meet me. She was afraid of the Covid. Contacted her a few months later and still was afraid. By the time you get here, vaccination will be a requirement to work the bars. Right now the powers that be, are considering a Vaccine Pass for dine-in at restaurants.Everyone in my circle of ladies knows that I am fully vaccinated. I get more DFK than I want, some girls do it after I lick the pussy of another girl.
I hope you are doing equally well in Pattaya.
A Farang I know is in the monkey house now due to drinking on Soi Chaiyapoon with 8 people. Allegedly, they were turned in by an informant.
Explorer8939
08-18-21, 03:55
How terrible. You must not let them take advantage of you like that. Don't spoil them, pretty soon word will get around and all Thai girls will want to do that to mongers.I am kind of joking here. I probably get a lot more pussy in mouth than tongue in mouth, it depends on the hardness of the bar girl. Almost everyone wants their pussy licked, the days of ladies showing up with sore pussies from too many customers are gone.
Explorer8939
08-18-21, 03:55
Hi guys,
What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?You should investigate the Phuket sandbox.
Hi guys,
What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?Google "certificate of entry Thailand" and you'll find everything you need. There are additional hoops and it's a bit of a pain, but it's all doable. You need to be vaccinated and do a 2 week quarantine if you coming to anywhere other than Phuket or Samui. In those two places, you have to stay on the island and have COVID tests, but you are free to roam around.
I am personally have trouble with the COVID test and insurance payments. They use the same online payment system. The payments will not go through from here, not matter which card / computer / browser I use and even Alipay didn't work. I think China is blocking payment to go to Thailand. I'm hoping I can get it worked out but I'm running out of time.
For those who have gone the Phuket route, how long did it take you to get your COE after you sent everything in? I have everything else done, just trying to pay for those last two things.
I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.
Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.
It had gotten to the point over the past few years where it was obvious I might not even get horny enough for a girl to fuck her, boner pill or no boner pill, if she is doing the clenched jaw, head turn from a DFK bit.
So it became one of my first questions during an upfront discussion with a girl. The list isn't that long but my first question has been; "Will you do romantic kissing with our tongues gently touching?" It's a deal killer and I will move on if the response is not a clear and somewhat enthusiastic Yes. I don't care if she "might" change her mind in the room. If the girl resists the idea upfront, I know 90% of the time our session will be crap.
In the case of dating site girls, video chatting a moment before asking the question greatly improves the chances for getting that clear Yes.
But I have to say that in the past few months I have encountered more girls who recoiled at the idea of DFK and walked away without hesitation from ~2,000 baht ST deals for fear of "Covid." I'm talking about girls standing in front of (closed) Thermae and online dating sites.
I hope you are doing equally well in Pattaya. A Farang I know is in the monkey house now due to drinking on Soi Chaiyapoon with 8 people. Allegedly, they were turned in by an informant.Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?
Locamotive
08-18-21, 19:24
I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.
Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.Prostitutes' usually don't like kissing their John's. If they are really drunk or you become a regular then their attitudes can change.
I am the same. Without at least some DFK, I don't always experience arousal sufficient to enjoy the act, blue pill or not. It's simply a deal killer for me if they don't kiss. I always ask that question first, "do you (deep) kiss" and of course, some Thai girls will try to soft shoe that and agree and then do a dodge once in the room. As I am sure you have experienced, they don't want to prove it in a crowded bar or club because "too shy" or whatever else excuse comes handy, and say wait to the room.
Now with Covid, this provides them further incentive to avoid DFK all together. It's funny, though, as they rarely reject oral sex.I met a hottie in her mid 20's online last week. I video chatted with her briefly but enough to know her photos were accurate, not 5 years and 5 kilos ago, that she not a ladyboy and so on. She asked 3,000 baht for ST.
Yes to DATY. Yes to BBBF+CIP (and Yes to BBBJ but No, never no how no way to CIM).
But she was vague about hairy pussy or shaved/trimmed pussy and was No, never no how no way to DFK or even LFK, "because Covid!
Hottie or not, those last 2 issues brought an end to my interest in even bothering to work that 3,000 baht down to 1,500 - 2,000 baht. I would have moved on if she'd agreed to 1,000 for ST. And I sure as hell was not going go up from 3,000 just for a little added tongue kissing.
I replied to one of my (better looking than the No DFK girl) reliable pre-Covid regular's usual daily Line messages of undying Love and had a great LT from 6pm to about 12Noon the next day with everything I wanted for 2,000 + 200 for taxi.
We get pickier the longer we live here. Lol.
Explorer8939
08-19-21, 01:44
Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?I was told the story by a bargirl, so that's all I have on the story. I haven't seen him post on Facebook lately, so he may still be in custody.
Mr Enternational
08-19-21, 03:07
Prostitutes' usually don't like kissing their John's. If they are really drunk or you become a regular then their attitudes can change.That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.
That is what separates Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Colombia, etc. So depends on where you get your prostitutes as to what they usually do or like to do.So I'm curious about this. What are the differences in terms of what they will do? I have been thinking about a trip to the Philippines, so this might give me a nudge to do that sometime. I have heard they like CIP, but I haven't heard anything else. I'm also curious about Colombia.
Explorer8939
08-19-21, 04:07
Yes, I am. In the middle of the poon, with the black covering? He Can't afford the "bail?He just posted on Facebook that he won't be able to distribute food to the needy for a while.
Hi guys,
What is the updated situation there right now. Can foreigners easily come after being vaccinated for covid or are there any other rules need to know?Any advice guys?
Explorer8939
08-20-21, 23:12
Any advice guys?There are a ton of rules.
Google Phuket Sandbox for the easiest way to come.
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