2006 Bangkok Reports

[PosterLion]

You sound like a decent guy, who did what most do in Thailand....did you send her money to help with her sickness ?? I'm guessing it will have been a lot if it was a heart operation ?? and now she's nowhere to be found ??
I'm sure theres a perfectly reasonable explanation. Sorry dude, i hope Giotto proves me wrong.

Operations are dirt cheap in Thailand so at least he's not going to be out much. I know a girl that had hear entire uterus removed due to cancer and that was just 80,000 Baht.

[PosterLion]

Meaty, you are a cynic.
...I beleive she is in her village, recuperating from her heart surgery. She must have been in bad shape to need it at such a young age. And as soon as she is strong enough, she will finally be able to go off dialysis, and have her much needed kidney transplant.

That's not what I heard. I heard she met a really nice farang that told her to go home to her village and wait for his phone call. He gave these intructions because he felt it necessary for her to prove herself to him, so he gave her enough money for the bus fare home and now . . .

The poor girl, she's all alone waiting for his call. ;)

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[Blood Red]

You sound like a decent guy, who did what most do in Thailand. Did you send her money to help with her sickness ?? I'm guessing it will have been a lot if it was a heart operation? And now she's nowhere to be found?

I'm sure theres a perfectly reasonable explanation. Sorry dude, I hope Giotto proves me wrong.No man, I never sent her a cent. She didn't seem to be the goldigger type at all. Even when she was low on cash, she was too prideful to ever ask for help.

I have PMed Giotto. Hopefully I'll find out something.

Thanks for the responses guys.

Cheers!

[Mark Anthony]

me and my mate.

day 1 = the joys of the los

it’s always a pleasure arriving in the los. where we come from you have to look long and hard to find a girl that gives you a hard-on by just by looking at her. i sometimes play this game called “1 2 3 go” with my mate where we sit in a bar overlooking the sidewalk and we “have to” pick a girl from the first 10 that walk by. let me assure you, sometimes all 10 are disastrous. in bkk the girl at the immigration desk can give me a hard-on and i could jump her right there. but anyway, first things first, get some cash from the airport atm. 20k bht should do the trick. clime into a car “700bht” and get to the hotel. i know we could take a taxi for 350bht but who cares. at the hotel, check-in as fast as possible and try to hide the boner the receptionist is giving us. in the room, change into shorts & shirt and get into st mode. in this case st stands for sex-tourist. there is no need beating around the bush , that’s what we are. and it’s fun. i also ask for 4 extra towels, as i know i’ll need them. by now it’s around 12:30 so of we go to soi 7 the food hall opposite the bg. there waiting for us is nong and her brother. she’s a real cute girl who judging by her emails misses me a lot. but i have not and will continue to never touch her. her brother, i am pretty sure is playing for the other team. we order tyk, steamed fish in lime sauce with garlic and veggies. plus two jugs of singha. as always no complaints. total bill 700bht.

it’s beergarden time. but just for 2 more beers. the usual suspects are there. we can see bee, june, pat, anm, lee & mon (the waitress). my mate swears bee is fantastic except for the smoking. but i just can put my dick anywhere i know his has been first. nope can’t do it. all you guys can fuck your brains out with her, but that’s ok because i don’t know any of you. june is v nice and wild in bed, but that might have something to do with the cocaine. pat and anm are your regular bg girls, they give good bbbj with cim. and lee & mon, well we will get to them later. in the back corner is who i call the “teacher”. she looks like she wants to spank me with a ruler and make me beg for it. i get a boner just thinking about her. but we don’t talk to any of them or anybody else for that matter yet.

we’re moving on to ann’s parlor for some facial treatment, pedicure, manicure and haircut. and no, we are not playing for the other side. i just like having 5 girls work on me for and hour and half. total cost 700bht. i notice with delight ahe is back. guys if you get the chance go there get to know her and take her out after work. my dick still hurts now. talk about wild thing.. but do note she’s not a go-go or bar girl, so you’re going to have to work on her.

back to the bg and we are starting to hit the bottle rather hard and i am getting really horny now. my mate is once again chatting up mon the waitress. i think he’s got a boner. i in the meantime see this nice looking girl, i have had before, near the entrance. i can’t recall her name. ok face but big tits. i smile, she smiles back and over she comes. it takes maybe 10sec and we’re heading back to my hotel. my mate is still chatting up mon. seems to be working too. she’s flirting right back big time. back in my room we’re in the shower and i am getting my first bbbj of the trip. total deep throat, i can feel my balls hitting her chin. she takes me to the brink and stops. she does this 2 times on the third time, i say fuck this and use my own hand and cum all over her face. a minute later were on the bed and she slowly starts to blow and jerk me off. it takes about 3 min and i am as hard as a rock again.. she spreads her legs and i am getting my first fuck on for this trip. what i love about thai girls is they get so wet and fully let themselves go. this one likes to get pounded from behind and i happily oblige. by now she’s jelling, screaming, moaning you name it. she could be faking it off course but who cares. it’s like the old joke. why do woman fake their orgasms? because they think we care. anyway i can feel myself cuming so i pull out and she gets a warm sperm shower over her back. give her 1000bht and 100bht for a taxi. she smiles, giggles and ask if we can meet again tomorrow. i make no promises.

meanwhile back at the bg my mate decides to hit the can but guess what? mon’s there waiting for him, pushes him into one of the booths pulls down his pants and gives him his first bbbj of his trip. she swallows his entire load. then cleans his dick with her mouth. they exchange numbers and tentatively say they’ll get together later as her pussy is wet for him and she need to feel him inside her. i like it when girls say that. he makes no promisses.

it’s now 5pm, we meet up at the hotel and head of to soy cowboy. first stop is country road the first bar at the corner. it’s not a go-go bar and over the years has provided me and all my mates with some of the best times ever. we walk through the door and almost every girl shouts our names. we’re famous. if you can, try to find a place you like and become a regular. the service will be unbeatable. also try not be an asshole. we get the pool table in the corner and hook up with two of the new girls. bee and tik-ta or tik-da, i don’t remember. one of the guys there goes behind the bar and brings us two of the better cues. we start ordering singha and drinks for the girls. this time though we are both a little unhappy with the attentiveness of the girls. they seem preoccupied with something else. but it gets better the longer we stay. after a while it’s settled, bee wants to go with my mate and tik-ta with me. but now comes the surprise. not overnight, only st. that just won’t do and can’t be done. by now it’s 12:30am we are seriously drunk and horny so we pay our bill 2000bht and head up cowboy and see what’s around. nothing special really so we decide to head for soi 7 ½ and have a look around there. in the meantime bee and tuk-ta call my mate on the phone and say tomorrow she can stay overnight and please come back tomorrow. excellente!!! i have a longstanding girl in bkk, used to work near nana and now in 7 ½ ,. by the time we get there though it’s 1am and all closed down. shit! but not to worry. we get called over to the last pool bar on the road. small place with only one pool table, but there is a disco on the fourth floor. stays open until 8am and is highly illegal. me and my mate love that. we enter and order more beer. it’s bloody 170bht a bottle. fuck it! great looking girls here and very good music. so we really let loose. i am still horny for my thai girl though so i call her up and she agrees to come there. my mate has hooked up with this girl and is trying to remove her face with his lips. i am positive he has a hard on again. actually he is a walking hormone. she’s also not wearing any underwear. it turns out it is a great party place. we must be partying with 6 girls by now and they are all great lookers. by 2:15am my thai girl shows up and by 2:45 were in the shower. basically over the next 7 hours she [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) me 5 times. won’t let me sleep, says if a can drink & party all day i better be able to fuck all night. she’s 23 and will give me a heart attack. my mate heads back to the hotel around 4am with the girls who’s face he tried to lick off. she [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) him 4 times. i can hear it all the way down the hallway. she want’s him to fuck her bb up the ass. it took him 30min to recover from the shock. we don’t do bb. i must have at least 30 condoms in my bedside draw and i know he does as well. std? no thank you. by 9am we bring the girls down say our goodbyes and give them each 2000bht.

to be continued……with……day 2 = the torment of the prima donna

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[ValeVincent]

this is a small story from my visit to bkk in february. it is not the typical report but reflects one of the situations i found my self in.

i strolled into nana plaza around 1100 pm, did the "walkabout", and settled in one of the central bars in the courtyard. the girk who took my order and chatted me up was not really my type so after a while she left seeking her luck elsewhere. by the bar i saw a stunning girl with a fantastic smile, long jet black hair, jeans, t-shirt, laughing. simply charming. i looked at her, flirted and she was smiling, laughing, talking to the mamasan, but she didn't approach me. after some more flirting i motioned her to come over and she reluctantly came. her name was miaw, and the reason that she didn't come over was that she wasn't working that night as she was going home to see her daughter the next morning. her daughter was being taken care of by the baby's paternal grandmother and the biological father and his new wife. not a good situation, but better than nothing. that didn't scare me off so i bought her a drink and we talked for a while. i was really impressed with her so i asked if i could barfine her. she went and talked to the mamasan, who was reluctant as the other girls, on duty, in principle was loosing out, but eventually she agreed. miaw, politely told me that she had a scar on her left thigh from a motorcycle accident - if that turned me off. before we went. she told me that she didn't have her id with her as she just had returned from pattaya the same day where she had been with some friend and had forgotten her id there. as my hotel required id, she gave it some thought and remembered that she had her passport at her place on soi 16 some where. so we went to get a taxi, and drove "into the back of the suk soi's". on the way she spent 200 bath on flowers from a street vendor. she lived alone in a small room with a small "bathroom". as she was going away to see her daughter she had to close it down. clean up so to speak. for her that meant making sure that her buddha's had fresh flowers, fresh water in the correct bottles, the right pictures in the right places. i was truly impressed. she told me that she had been sharing the place with a friend, but that her friend had stolen her bankcard with pincode and had taken 40. 000 bath from her. she showed me the policereport. at last she found the passport and off we went. at this time i was taken by her. but felt actually sorry for her. actually she made me kind of sad. we walked for a while to get a taxi. when at last we got one i placed 2. 000 bath in her hand, she exclamed "you don't pay me now? ! ". going alone into the taxi i told her that i couldn't take her with me - and went home alone.

so what happened? - well she was so honest and i got to see sides of her life that i shouldn't have seen. she truly made me sad. and that is not the feeling i wanted in bkk. the context beeing that during my two week stay i barfined two girls, was at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) three times, at eden once, and at three massage placed i don't remember. and consider myself a experienced monger. but this was too much.

the next night i went to the same bar to see if she was there. but i knew that she was with her daughter.

i simply love bkk - no other place can get me "high on emotion" as this place. i probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the isg readers, but i thought that this episode deserved its place.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

[ValeVincent]

this is a small story from my visit to bkk in february. it is not the typical report but reflects one of the situations i found my self in.

i strolled into nana plaza around 1100 pm, did the "walkabout", and settled in one of the central bars in the courtyard. the girk who took my order and chatted me up was not really my type so after a while she left seeking her luck elsewhere. by the bar i saw a stunning girl with a fantastic smile, long jet black hair, jeans, t-shirt, laughing. simply charming. i looked at her, flirted and she was smiling, laughing, talking to the mamasan, but she didn't approach me. after some more flirting i motioned her to come over and she reluctantly came. her name was miaw, and the reason that she didn't come over was that she wasn't working that night as she was going home to see her daughter the next morning. her daughter was being taken care of by the baby's paternal grandmother and the biological father and his new wife. not a good situation, but better than nothing. that didn't scare me off so i bought her a drink and we talked for a while. i was really impressed with her so i asked if i could barfine her. she went and talked to the mamasan, who was reluctant as the other girls, on duty, in principle was loosing out, but eventually she agreed. miaw, politely told me that she had a scar on her left thigh from a motorcycle accident - if that turned me off. before we went. she told me that she didn't have her id with her as she just had returned from pattaya the same day where she had been with some friend and had forgotten her id there. as my hotel required id, she gave it some thought and remembered that she had her passport at her place on soi 16 some where. so we went to get a taxi, and drove "into the back of the suk soi's". on the way she spent 200 bath on flowers from a street vendor. she lived alone in a small room with a small "bathroom". as she was going away to see her daughter she had to close it down. clean up so to speak. for her that meant making sure that her buddha's had fresh flowers, fresh water in the correct bottles, the right pictures in the right places. i was truly impressed. she told me that she had been sharing the place with a friend, but that her friend had stolen her bankcard with pincode and had taken 40. 000 bath from her. she showed me the policereport. at last she found the passport and off we went. at this time i was taken by her. but felt actually sorry for her. actually she made me kind of sad. we walked for a while to get a taxi. when at last we got one i placed 2. 000 bath in her hand, she exclamed "you don't pay me now? ! ". going alone into the taxi i told her that i couldn't take her with me - and went home alone.

so what happened? - well she was so honest and i got to see sides of her life that i shouldn't have seen. she truly made me sad. and that is not the feeling i wanted in bkk. the context beeing that during my two week stay i barfined two girls, was at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) three times, at eden once, and at three massage placed i don't remember. and consider myself a experienced monger. but this was too much.

the next night i went to the same bar to see if she was there. but i knew that she was with her daughter.

i simply love bkk - no other place can get me "high on emotion" as this place. i probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the isg readers, but i thought that this episode deserved its place.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

[JuiceSpike]

Valevincent,

Good story and there are thousands of more stories out there in Bangkok and elsewhere. The life of a hooker is not glamorous and you will find most of the girls have some kind of emotional scar. Some with more visible ones than others but some girls know how to hide it well. Don't dig in too deep into their lives as it could get depressing.

I think your gesture was a good one. Sometimes you have to walk away by doing something to make a difference that can go a long way. What goes around comes around. Eventually. Maybe.

juices

[Meaty]

...What goes around comes around. Eventually..
So true, i had a very similar experience 7 yrs ago in LOS, admittedly i wasn't an experienced monger back then, but i've been married to the same girl in that experience for 6yrs now !

[1Ball]

Vale, nice story, don't feel bad about doing something nice. Something similar hapened to me in Bali a couple of years back. Girl on the side of the road flagged me down, with a small child next to her. She wanted 5US$ to take care of business. Brought her and her daughter to a small street food stand, bought them food and soda, and left.
Hey it feels better than busting a nut sometimes..........

Meaty, you are married and you monger? I don't get it ;)

[Meaty]

Meaty, you are married and you monger? I don't get it ;)
You got the right words, just need to mixemup, "I am married, and i monger, because I don't get it" :D
She's a wonderful woman actually, but i am a believer that some things are for those you love, and others are for those you lust. ;)

[Jimbehr2000]

valevincent, excellent post and your action was the right thing for you to do at the time.

I hear some sad stories from the girls, but I have a built in bullshit detector, kind of a personal firewall. I freely give kindness, concern, and empathy. But my personal firewall prevents me from giving them any significant sum of money. Be kind and understanding but always, always think before you give them your money unless its payment for sex. For every nice guy that helps somebody there is a chump foolishly wasting his money.

[SidTheSexist]

I thought a lot of the mongers in here were married??? Hence mia noi's etc etc.... ????

[Giotto]

I thought a lot of the mongers in here were married??? Hence mia noi's etc etc.... ????SidTheSexist,

Married? Mia Noi's? What the hell are you talking about :) ?


Giotto

[SidTheSexist]

Sorry G,
I meant, hence the NEED for mia nois. :D
Sid

[Ralph Kramden]

Anyone with a heart has it touched now and then. You did the right thing Vv. It happened to me once.

However, if she was that beautiful, you might have got some lovin. Your feelings for her might have made it that much more passionate. I think I might have boned her and given her an extra 2000 tip.

[The Traveler]

I probably deserve some of the more sharp responces from the ISG readers, but I thought that this episode deserved its place.

Valevincent,

you definitely don't deserve any sharp response and I am glad to see that none of the below posters did.
You took a short look at her real life, even if you just scratched at the surface.
You acted like a gentleman and proved your good heart. You got my sympathy for doing so.

[Meaty]

i was in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) on sunday, strange thing happened though, as i approached the door, a girl 'picked me' very quickly and almost as if she knew i would pick her, to be honest i may have but there were also others i would have picked. anyway the place was packed, all rooms upstairs, 2nd and 3rd floor, were busy, so i sat downstairs and had a coke, 10 minutes passed and it was out turn to go up, we went to the 3rd floor, a big room, couches all around the outside and a toilet, apparently this is a back up room and we had it all to ourselves, so i started getting my kit off, i'm not into the jeans and pants round my ankles, i like to relax :d whilst i am doing this, the 'lady' pulls her knickers off, takes off her shirt and bra, bends over the sofa, sticks a finger right up her arse and turns to face me ???? but this is a bj bar i think, she see's my surpirse and says, "you are khun ******* right ?" huh ? how did she know my name ? i hadn't told her, "yes, i am" "well when you came here the other night, you were really drunk and you said you like this" !!!!!!! wow, note to self, slow down on the drink and at least remember what you get up to ! anyway, i explain that must have been the alcohol, so asked her to spin round, and get on with the bj, but to leave her finger where it was ! great girl, great fun, nice time, must of had at least 30 minutes, not because i'm a stud and lasted, but because she was a pro and made me wait :d i gave her the usual 700 for the bj, and a small tip. don;t remember the name, but doesn't appear i need to !

by the way, rumours of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) opening in hua hin are totally true, 1st of august is the planned date.

[SidTheSexist]

i was in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) on sunday,,,
must of had at least 30 minutes,
meaty, i bet you really had to peel yourself hard off of those plastic sofas after 30 mins on the thing. my usual is 15-20 and thats hard enough!!! :d:d:d
[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) first stop, next saturday!!!
sid

[Meaty]

...i bet you really had to peel yourself hard off of those plastic sofas after 30 mins on the thing...
usually yes, but this time my 'lady' laid a bath towel on the sofa for me to plonk my fat, hairy ass on :d

[Goober]

This report is from June 2006. Sorry for the delay and please excuse my memory if the info is slightly off.

Wow! Bangkok is definitely one hell of an entertaining city. My friend, Chris, and I were originally only suppose to stay for six days, but we ended up extending our vacation for another six days because we were having a ball. I now understand why some of you guys have decided to move to the LOS.

After arriving at BKK, I exchange $40 USD into THB at an FX vending machine in the baggage claim area. There are also FX counters staffed by people outside in the arrival area (with the same FX rate). These two places offered competitive FX rates. The reason why I only exchanged $40 USD was I thought I would get a better rate withdrawing money directly from my HSBC account, but it turned out the rates were roughly the same.

Chris and I shared a room at the Majestic Grande. It's a pretty decent place to crash for 2900 THB and to my surprise, we didn't have any problems bringing two girls into our room at night! Breakfast was included in the price and it's only a five minute walk to the action at the NEP. My only complaint is the pool is small and poorly situated if you're interested in getting a tan.

It was close to 12 AM after checking into the hotel and freshening up a little after a very long flight from NYC. However, Chris and I agreed that we couldn't goto sleep until we at least checked out the NEP. We were completely surprised by the scene of all the SWs roaming around and after only five minutes, we were approached by a decent looking girl called Lai Lan. We spoke for a few minutes and after a little haggling, we got her to agree to accompany the two of us for 1000 (we had less than 1500 on us) for LT plus another 500 tomorrow morning in exchange for a ride to the HSBC since she had a car and knew where it was located.

We got her into our room without any problems whatsoever. Once we were in the room, we had a little disagreement on when the payment should be made. She, of course, wanted it immediately and we, of course, wanted to pay it in the morning. But we eventually yielded to her considering how little we were paying. I won't bore you with the usual details, but we took turns banging her over the next hour. She kept telling us how horny she was but when we asked her if we both could do her at the same time, she said no because she was too shy. Hehe, yeah right, Chris and I are also very shy and had there been another friend with us, this little porno would have been a no go.

Despite being tired as a dog, I managed to get one pop out. I tried for a second pop a few minutes later, but it wasn't happening so I decided to let Chris keep her on his bed and goto sleep. I was awoken an hour later because her left. I asked Chris what happened and he said she wanted to leave so he let her go since her departure made more room on his bed. Oh well, 500 saved. All in all, she was a nice girl and kind of fun. Definitely worth 1000 between two people.

Even though we walked around the NEP a couple of more times during our stay, we only bit the bait from the SWs one more time because we liked the action at the MPs more (a FR will appear in the BKK MP section very soon). So on the second time that we bit, it must have been a slow night or something because there weren't that many girls walking around. We bumped into Lai Lan again and since I was feeling pretty horny and the pickings were slim, I decided to take her to the room. Chris also found someone by the name of Be (5'3", blond curly hair, nice tits and a tight ass -- yeah, I know, this description fits about twenty some odd girls). We negotiated 1500 for LT for each of them. We didn't have any problems bringing both of them into the hotel. But unfortunately for Chris, another kind of problem was about to find him soon. LOL.

So once we got back into our room, Lai Lan and I decided to shower first. When we got out of the shower, we saw Chris and Be making out on his bed. I kicked them into the shower because I wanted to get busy with Lai Lan. After only five minutes of sucking on Lai Lan's titties, my buddy comes out of the bathroom with a blank stare on his face. I asked him what the hell was wrong and he just answered by asking Lai Lan, "Why didn't you tell me? " Lai Lan and I looked at each other, confused. She said, "Tell you what? " Chris then points into the bathroom and said, "Why didn't you tell me she's a boy? "

I guess I shouldn't have, but I started to crack up like hell. I guess I sort of got some pleasure out of his misery because right up to this point on our trip, he kept on insisting that he could tell the lady boys from the real thing, just like he could tell black from white. After awhile, Be comes out and said she was going to leave. I told my buddy to give her. Ugh, him, 200 for his trouble and he left.

Chris said that while they were in the bathroom, he wanted to take a shower with Be but Be insisted that he showered alone because he was shy. But after persistently asking, Be finally came forward with the truth and revealed that he was a lady boy. My buddy said that his fun with Be included some serious DFK and ass and titty grabbing. He even said that Be was an awesome kisser. I really can't blame my friend for making this mistake because I also had absolutely no clue that Be was a lady boy (Lai Lan also didn't know Be was a lady boy). As a matter of fact, I saw her a couple of night before she came to our room and I had told Chris that I wanted to bang her. Luckily for me, we were walking the opposite way and by the time I wanted to ask her up to my room, she had already walked too far and I was too tired to chase. So gents, unless you've been in BKK for some time, don't go making claims like my buddy or else you might just follow Chris' faith.

I'm going to post separate posts on the go-go bars in Patpong and CM2 soon as this one is getting too long.

[Goober]

I went to Patpong's go-go bars a few times during my first trip in BKK. The one I hung out at the most was one of the King's Castles.

At first, I was a slightly disappointed that no clothing came off, but I quickly grew to like it a lot. There was something very special about watching 20+ girls dressed in white binikis and the standard issue, black knee high King's Castle boots, twirl their legs, hips and arms around oh so sensually.

On my first visit, I realized that there were a few lady boys among the dancers. I mentally tagged and ignored them and concentrated on the good looking girls. However, by my last visit, I was really confused if any of the good looking girls I had separated out the first time were really girls at all! They were just too perfect... beautiful faces with big eyes and cheeks, slender necks (no adam's apple), long and slender arms, slim bodies and just the right amount of booty, perfect camel toes, etc. But in the end... something just didn't feel right about them! Oh well, I gave up at my futile attempt at figuring it out after awhile and just sat back with my beer and enjoyed the wiggles.

The pretty ones that came over wanted 3000 THB for ST. I tried negotiating it down to 2000, but they were firm with their offer. Since I had already spent myself at a MP most of days I was at these bars, I decided to pass on the offers. I really didn't feel like paying 3000 + bar fine only to find out my junior can't handle the action.

All in all, I had a great time just chilling out here.

BTW - does anyone know where I can pick up some of the Thai house/trance/techno music the DJs play? Names of CDs would be very helpful!

[Noplobrem]

Wow, note to self, slow down on the drink and at least remember what you get up to !

I just sent myself a similar note. Will be chuckling about this for a while....

[Adimondo]

Hi gents, congratulations for the great work on this thread!

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means i.e. skytrain/metro already set up?

I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!

[JuiceSpike]

Adimondo....

Read the following article from the Post regarding the airport:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/Business/29Jul2006_biz43.php

juices

[Tiger 888]

i found this report dated march 2006 in the banker's forum and thought it is worth posting here. vasu is a money changer on the corner of soi 7/1 and sukhumvit. if you need to change large amounts, play safe and stay with superrich. they have the best rates anyway. pm me for a namecard if needed

...i had to change $20,000 into pounds sterling and i wanted to get the best rate possible. i called around the banks and money changers in pattaya and then phoned vasu, an exchange office near skvt soi 9 in bkk that i had used many times before for much smaller transactions. when i did the calculations i was going to save 15,000 baht by going to bangkok, and also they promised that getting hold of english 50 pound notes was no problem. when i arrived at vasu with my girlfriend we were ushered into a small side office. a clerk that i had seen many times before took my $20,000 and started to count it. i myself had counted the cash 3 times and had put it in elasticated bundles of $1000. after a couple of minutes and with the cash now all lumped together the clerk looked up from across the desk and said quite calmly that there was only $16,000. he pushed the money back over to me and indeed there was only $16,000. however, i knew it was a con and i wasn't going mad because 20 elastic bands remained on the desk. i got a terrible sinking feeling in my gut but didn't outwardly show anything. i suddenly realised that the whole buisiness is a set up to get unwitting customers, making large transactions, into that purpose built office. i noticed for example that the desk was much wider than usual and it went wall to wall so nobody could easily cross to the other side. people that carry out this type of sting in thailand are organised and dangerous. i quickly decided that trying to use force would be unwise, they must be prepared for that eventuality. i and my girlfriend could end up injured or shot and maybe i would lose the rest of the money. i decided that the best policy was to get out of there with as much as i could. the clerk counted out the english pounds and handed them to me. i counted the money twice and then examined each note as best i could for signs of forgery. thankfully the pounds were genuine.
so it was that i lost $4,000. wonderful! before anybody slags me off too much i want to explain why this con worked with me. first, this buisiness has operated for many years and i and many friends had used it without problems many times. second, the clerks were not obvious in trying to get my buisiness. they did not offer an unbelievable rate but rather what i had expected, about 1/2 baht better per dollar/baht and the same per baht/pound. third, it was going to be impossible to get a lot of 50 pound notes from the banks in pattaya. i have since been introduced to a chinese money changer in pattaya that could probably of handled the transaction. if i had not been in thailand as long as i have i would definitely have started a fight, but where might that have got me? like i said they must of run this scam many times and they must have all angles covered. if the police were called, and let's face it they are probably in on the con anyway, they would probably confirep001e the $16,000 for some bs reason. they would want to know why a british man was in thailand in possession of so many dollars, even though there was a good explanation i would of had difficulty proving it. when i told a thai friend of mine about this he said that among thai criminal gangs this is a well known scam. the perps would only try it with people that could not make them a serious problem. he added that the gang could have been wanting me to start a fight so that they could steal the rest of the money.
for the record the clerk in question is skilled in counting the money so that some of the notes pile up into a ball in the palm of one hand. he then discreetly pulls this cash a short distance back over the desk's edge. below an accomplice, often a small child, scoops up the money and disappears back under the desk, and possibly through a short tunnel into the next office. to a normal (but cynical) person the slight of hand would be very difficult to detect.

[Priamos]

One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattractive in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?

[The Traveler]

Priamos,

sorry, can't point to a certain location as chubby girls aren't my cup of tea, but more and more chubby ones can be found everywhere due to changes in food habits. McDonalds, Burger King, Dunkin Donuts and so on definitely already have an impact. Just look around.

[Brain666]

One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattrative in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?

Was in Shark Soi Cowboy yesterday night. There was a very chubby girl on stage. And some others 'half chubby'. If you go later (I arrived =0:30 AM), they are easyer to spot, as the thinner beauties are barfined already.

Your taste is absolutely not mine, but I will keep an eye on this and will tell you if I see one. It might be hard to finde a chubby body with the face of a stunner so. Unfortunately the chubby type is pretty often combined with a less attractive overall.

Massage parlors/ soapies could be another opportunity for spotting your favourite type. Don't have much experience, but the fishbowl in Annie's (the only one I visited) could at least have some in direction of of your taste. And its reasonbable pricing (1500 + Tip), assuming you have limited budget as I understand your post.

regards

Brain666

[Crazy4Thai]

So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?

Priamos, I had read sometime ago that Arab mongers tend to have the same preference that you describe. Casual observation seems to confirm that in that I've noticed more curvy ladies in the general vicinity of the Grace Hotel.

[Priamos]

Brain, (and Traveller)

Thanks for the advice. I'm not necessarily a "budget traveller" as you seem to think: if I frequent places such as Patpong 2 it is because I like to be in the thick (no pun intended!) of the action prior to making my choice. I much prefer interactive bars to gogos; gogos to MPs; and MPs to appartments. (And, I totally loathe escort services which imply you see a girl first time when she knocks on your door.) So, if you wish to suggest pricier options, please don't feel discouraged... ;-)

[The Traveler]

Priamos, I had read sometime ago that Arab mongers tend to have the same preference that you describe. Casual observation seems to confirm that in that I've noticed more curvy ladies in the general vicinity of the Grace Hotel.
Crazy4Thai,

yep, it's true, but those girls often put too many layers of make-up on their faces, just like many MP girls. That looks disgusting in my book, but taste differs and you can let them wash their face. Don't be horrified if you detect what lies beneath those layers of make-up. :)

[Badboy27]

Are Petpong and Soi Cowboy different areas ? How far are they from each other ? I am staying in Bangkok for a night and would like go to a place where I can find truly the model quality girls even if that's expensive. Can fellow mongers point out couple of 'high end' clubs. TIA

[Duniawala]

Priamos, check out the Thermae. You can always find some chubby ones there. And some are good looking too.

Badboy27, Patpong and Soi Cowboy are not close. You need a taxi to to go between these two place. Google a BKK tourist map and check it. For model quality, get an escort agency.

[The Traveler]

Badboy,

as Duni already pointed out, Soi Cowboy and Patpong are different areas. But use the BTS (trains run approx. until midnight) instead of a taxi, enter at Asoke station, change trains at Siam and leave at Sala Daeng. Patpong 1 and 2 are just a short walk further down Silom Rd.

[Adimondo]

Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!

[Oldbuthappy]

Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!Latest info is that new aqirport will be operational on 29 Sept. 2006

[Member #3409]

Thank you for the response, JS! Unfortunately my PC displayed "Bad Request", so I couldn't get the information. Will try "Bangkok Post" from July 29th online.

This is a subject directed mainly to the BKK-residents: did the new Suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? Will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from Don Muang (old one), or from both? Are the transfer means I. E. Skytrain/metro already set up? I've already bought my international and domestic tickets for the next winter and my travel agent in Europe couldn't give any details on this matter.

Thx & keep safe!

The airport transfers over on 28th September for all flights to BKK, and yes the new airport will keep the BKK code when it comes online on 28th Sep. There are a few trial flights operating out of the new one, but they are very small in number. All flights domestic and international will transfer to the new airport on 28th Sep. There are no transfers between the airports as they won't be needed.

There is no train service to the new airport, although I do understand it is being planned or is being constructed. I think it is meant to be a dedicated service and not an extension of Skytrain or the Metro.

[Meaty]

...did the new suvarnabhumi airport get started its operations? will the domestic flights also be operated from the new airport, or from don muang (old one), or from both? are the transfer means i. e. skytrain/metro already set up?...
was at the new airport this saturday with the family, unlike any other airport i know in the world, the perimeter gates for emergency services turned onto car parks as people came to watch the flights, no police or security in sight, there were around 150 taxis doing nothing, but they were all new type, probably just for show. the aiport looks far from ready, there are diggers and trucks still on the runway area, and everything looks half done, but tit. flights did take place, we were sat only 30m from the main runway watching the landing and take-offs, kids loved it.
my understanding (could be wrong) is that all internation flights will move to the new airport, but only thai airways will be running domestic flights from there, all the low cost carriers will be running from don muang (i wonder why!!). there will be a high speed train, independant of the metro and bts, it will run from the airport directly to victory monument, but from what i have seen, only half of the pillars have been completed so far, so it won't be ready for a long while yet.
the weekend of activities was more for show of face than actual operations, everyone involved with the project says theres no way the airport can actually open, but the government are insisting it will be so.

[Taiwan Laowai]

One of my heart's secret desires (or not so secret...) is girls who have a bit of meat on their bones, and a biggish bust as well. Conversely, I don't like thin girls very much and I'm normally not willing to pay good money for their company. Now, the worst cliche of Bangkok girls is of course, petite, skinny, small framed, etc. but in my experience this does not have to be so.

During my last visit (separate post) I solved my "problem" by walking into some of the larger gogo bars in Soi Cowboy and telling the staff exactly what I was looking for. They accomodated me by lining up in front of me some of their chubbiest colleagues - usually bar staff and waitresses who, I suppose, had been relegated from dancing because most punters have a different taste from mine. The snag is/was, these girls were often not only chubby but unattractive in a more general sense of the word.

Another option for BBW lovers is hanging out in the bars of Patpong 2, where a small number of large-framed Isaan girls can be found at all times of the day. This, however, is very much hit-and-miss. So, I'd like to ask my fellow mongers: does anyone share my taste? And, if so, do you have any tips to share regarding the availability of young, chubby and busty ladies in BKK?Priamos,

I also lean strongly towards full-figured gals. And I like them tall too, nothing under 165 cm without shoes and preferably above 168 cm. For me, this used to mean that I would have to hunt around Bangkok for days at a time just to find someone I liked. But eating habits are changing and the girls seem to be getting bigger and taller by the year.

This is what has worked best for me in hooking-up with these types:

1. Explore the area around Grace Hotel and the Pub directly across the street. A lot of Middle Easterners hunt here and they love em' chubby. I think most of these girls are very unnatractive but you can find gems with the body types we like. There is a sprinkling of Turkish, Russian, and Eastern European girls around there too.

2. In this area, you can also see a lot of Africans, mostly male but you can often find a few unattached female tourists from countries like Kenya, South Africa, Liberia, or Ghana. I've had a few great GFEs with these. But watch out for the Nigerians, they are usually attached to some guy and often out to scam if they let you talk to them.

3. Regular Thai girls you often see in the malls, around Siam Square, etc. are sometimes chubby but extremely cute. If you've got some charm and have a basic idea about how to approach regular Thai girls in public places, this might be worth a try. I met a very cute and young chubby student in Starbucks this way.

4. Try Kings Corner in Patpong One. I remember there is one very chubby taller girl (168 cm) who works there. I think she speaks pretty good Arabic and basic English. She dances once in awhile but usually she just hangs on the side.

5. If all else fails, go to Khaoshan Rd. and take a shot at picking-up a drunk Farang girl. Of course its not hard to find chubby girls amoung this set.

Good luck.

[Dinghy]

I have to pity the poor souls who get arrival dates in the first month or so - if it's anything like Denver in the US prepare for chaos.

[Alphamale]

Eden Club
I know Eden club has been written about extensively on this forum but I thought I would put in the one that I had two days ago. I have not been there before but was aware of how it worked from some of the reports that are here.
I arrived about 4 pm and found Bruce waiting at the door. He immediately explained how it worked and how it was 3600 Baht for 90 minutes with two girls and that they were all did lesbian as well.
They had a lineup within five minutes of me being there with one other guy to choose from the 12 or so girls assembled. The right of the yellow line on the wall was girls who did anal and the left the girls who did not. Not much choice as far as I was concerned as I prefer the fresh younger and less makeup look but ended up choosing a girl of 25 named Ngoc who had a nice face and a decent body. She choose another friend from the group who I would not have chosen normally but I was just there for the experience.

They were friendly and took me up to the room which is small but quite nice and put a porn movie on the DVD Player. One girl took me into the shower and proceeded to lather me up concentrating on cleaning the old fella.

The rest of the time was quite decent with not much in the way of lesbian going on but they both seemed to enjoy rimming me and did a bit of strapon action with each other.
Nothing else particularly special but in the end I was satisfied with my two pops and a little bit of massage in between. They did not seem rushed at any point and were very friendly the whole way through. I would not hesitate to go back and think that the work ethic that has been enforced by Marc who I have been told is admirable and a very good job all up.

[Mark Anthony]

Me and my mate.

Day 2 = The Torment of the Prima Donna

So it’s 9am and boy do we feel like shit. You know that old saying, “when your young you can party for three days and need one to recover & when your old you can party one day and need three to recover”? Damnation if that does not start to feel true. I hate that! But we suck it up and head down to Soi7 to the large pool hall. We arrive and what the hell, it’s closed or something. Quick check with the girls and it’s the owner’s b-day. Oh well, we cross the road to one of the smaller places and decide to hang out there until the food hall opens. So we play pool and drink “soda” until 12:30. Two hours of pool and 10 sodas cost us less the 500bht. We head over and Nong is not there, it’s her day off, but her brother is at one of the tables putting on make-up. Oh gee dude! We order a whole squid in lime sauce (Mediocre!), deep fired squid with garlic (V Nice), red curry chicken (Fantastic!!) and rice. This would be about the time we order two pitchers of beer, but somehow the word coke comes out. What pussies we are! Food & drink comes to 500bht.

After lunch we agree that more rest is required if we are going to go for a full FUBR session tonight. (FUBR = fucked up beyond recognition). So my mate heads for the hotel and I decide on a slight variation. Soi 7 ½ for a 2 hour oil massage!

Arrive Soi 7 ½ and immediately this girl from the fist massage place on the right hand side walks out to pitch her deal. Normally I go the place just before Eden Club but her 300bht 1 hour, 500bht 2 hour offer sounds good to me. She’s about a 6 I would say. Nice smile and very friendly. And this part is new to me. She says she and her friends rent rooms across the street in the hotel (forget the name) and would I go there with her. Hell why not. We walk in, past the lobby, up the stairs to the first floor and nobody says a thing. Cool stuff. Quick shower and I am on the bed, she gets undressed as well and the massage begins. Oh and she is not naked you guys! Gee! Panties and bra. She knows what she’s doing to, great massage, good strength and knows all the pressure points. Also, every 15min or so, she slightly massages my balls while I’m face down and my balls plus dick when I am on my back. The result being, I have now had a hard on for two hours. After the time’s up, seeing how hard it is, without a word she just starts stroking. I explode! Finish off with her giving me a shower. Hand her 500bht for the massage and 500bht for the “happy ending”. Absolutely worth it.

Head to the hotel to pick up my mate and we head of to Soi Cowboy. We have dates tonight with Bee and Tuk-Ta. We enter Country Road and do the usual. Play pool and this time we both order beer. Just had to mention that. Bee and Tuk-Ta arrive and joins us at our table. They both seem quite happy. But around 7pm we get hungry and quickly head back to Soi 7 for a TYK, red curry, veggies and rice. Again it’s around 500bht. In the meantime my mate must have received 2-3 sms from Bee & Tuk-Ta, where are you?? Why did you leave??? Are you coming back??? Horny girls me thinks. He’s also been getting sms from other girls in BKK who he met previously. “Baby, you in BKK, why you don’t tell me? Want to party tonight? And of course the usual “I miss you”. He He He. Wish I had his problems.

We’re back in Country Road, play some more pool, drink some more beer, but after a while decide to sit down at a table and enjoy the band and look at some girls. Since Bee and Tuk-Ta are servers tonight they come round every once in a while and tease us a little. Somehow the band are not the best tonight and there is this old & very drunk “Germanic” guy up front keeps requesting shity songs and basically embarrassing himself. You can see the girls giggling and laughing about him. But my mate has bigger concerns. Next to him in the corner is this large barrel of water with a single cup on top. Every 5 min or so a girls walks up, takes the cup, plunges it into the water, drinks a little and the rest water goes back into the barrel. He has started to count now. 1 girl, 2 girls………8 girls and so on. Plus most of the girls seem to be coughing a lot. This is really staring to freak him out. Even all the sms from the BKK girls are not giving hin any enjoyment. After a while Tuk-Ta come to our table and says she has a bad cough, sore throat and is going home. That’s it we’re out of here.

We head up cowboy and finally settle on Midnight Bar. We order some drinks and enjoy the view. We both see this girl that looks a lot like Tuk-Ta but with much bigger breasts. I think we both are fascinated by her. Probably both have a major hard-on for her. Three girls over is a girl I become intoxicated with. All I know is, that night, she was wearing the no. 58.

So anyway, quickly, taking a step back for the moment, here is rule “Number 1” my mate and I live by. Once you see a girl you like and have an instant attraction to, DON’T fuck around!! Get her attention, buy her drink or two, be a nice decent guy and that’s the one you’ll take home. Do not, I repeat do not keep looking around for something better you’ll just fuck it up!!

So it’s girl 58, she is nice, I smile, she smiles back and we have got the old eye contact going. The next thing I know this girl in a very sexy red dress comes up, sits down next to me and says hello. She speaks perfect English although with an American accent, so I have to take back the perfect English part I guess. (He He He, just a joke guys) She is definitely a looker. A bomb-shell would be a better description and my mate agrees. Basically a Prima-Donna. So slowly, bit by bit I move from girls 58 over to the girl next to me. Her name in Min and we go through the usual questions and play the usual games. Her hand is up my trousers and she starts to stroke my dick at the same time my hand is up her dress and she ever so slightly, is moaning. We kiss and she whispers in my ear “I want you tonight”. I bf her and of she goes to get changed. My friend says he’s bored with Cowboy and is heading off to Nana. I have another beer and wait for Min and we’re of to the hotel. Once in my room she strips down and oh boy oh boy does she have a great body. She wants to shower together and who am I refuse? In the shower it’s another bbbj but not to the point of cuming. We move to the bed, some more kissing and she continues with the bbbj, then she wants to ride me bb. But I quickly slip on a “yum yum” and she starts riding me. Then suddenly after 30sec or so I notice this fucking smell. I almost puke! God it’s revolting! I look down and see this build up of a thick white creamy sauce around the base of my dick and her pussy. This is bad! Real Bad! This is the nightmare scenario. My dick immediately goes soft and I just can’t perform. Then she starts laughing because I say I can’t. I push her of me, tell her to take a shower and she can leave! She does not understand and plays all dumb and thinks I am gay or something. I give her 100bht for a taxi and 500bht for her trouble. She thinks I am a rude and a mean farang now but what the fuck! Thinking back on it, I should have just kicked her out naked and thrown her cloths after her. I hit the shower use my mouth wash for ten minutes and half a bottle of special “detol” shower gel.

I sms my mate and as it turns out he’s back in his room without a girl. He comes over with a couple of beers and we discuss the nights event has men do. With lots of swearing and shouting. Fuck it, tomorrow is another day and we more or less take a blood oath and agree that we are going to go full power! Drink and fuck until we drop dead!

To be continued, with Day 3 = BKK is shut down & sex party in the hotel.

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[AsiaTraveler2]

There were so many things I had planned, but sometimes the best plan in BKK is no plan. Here's a quick recap of my most recent visit ..

Day 1 - Arrived late in BKK just after midnight, and had just enough time to get to NEP and pickup up a Rainbow girl on the 1st floor. I saw a lot of the usual eye candy on stage and one of the waitresses brought a girl over. Cute face, but did not have the tight body of some of the other hotties up on the stage and she would not have been my first choice. She cuddled up to me and did some marvelous stuff with her lips and hands, that "talked" me into bar fining her. I am glad I did. We had a great night! My welcome to BKK moment. Jam was a gem.

Day 2 - At around 4:00am in the wee hours of the morning, I awoke to the feeling of Jam's hands in my boxers and my 2nd welcome to BKK moment! Lol! This lead to session number 2! After working off some calories, we had room service breakfast and I told her she could sleep in. It was still about 6:00am and as usual when I travel to the far east, I had trouble going back to sleep. I think most of you know what I'm talking about. I know Sabai Sabai massage is 24/7 and knew Tak (rhymes with Duck) and I went to visit her and had an early morning massage. I had Tak before and she works the late shift which for her normally ends at 7:00am in the morning. Basic oil massage with hj at the end. FS is available if you take out. Since my guest Jam was still in my room, I stayed with the massage with happy ending. Tak was wearing a cute pair of white shorts that hugged her butt. While she was playing with my balls and giving me the hand job, I slowly worked the shorts down to her knees. I worked her pussy with my fingers and she got sooooo wet. She's a cutey and is worth a visit. 500 baht tip. She will ask for more, but be firm but kind. I think 500 is adequate reward for a hj.

Back to the room from Sabai Sabai, Jam was still sleeping. I went back to sleep for a few hours and when I awoke I saw Jam off. She gave me her number, but hey this is BKK, there were more experiences awaiting! The damage was 2,000 baht. A bit too much .. Maybe .. But no haggling and unlike some other Nana girls, she never talked about money.

In the afternoon I picked up a free lancer at the Beer Garden on Soi 7. Nee was a bundle of energy and provided more cardio activity than my heart could take! Lol! We then went to the Emporium to catch a movie and have some dinner at the Cafeteria. Great deal there, as 100 baht covered food and drink with change. Did not think it would be enough, but Nee assured me it would be fine and of course she was right. I went back to the hotel (Dynasty Inn Grande on Soi 6) for a power nap before my late night session.

Later in the evening I hit Soi Cowboy and hit several of the bars. I ended up picking up a stunner at Long Gun. Took her back to the hotel and had a great time. I stayed with the ST option as it was still early enough for both her and I to seek out other options. I went back to Nana and ended up in the Rainbow bar on the 2nd floor. I bar fined a looker, and she was great, but she was the one and only mercenary type I had on this stop in Bangkok. Once she was done, she was rushing to get back to the bar. The Rainbow bar on the 2nd floor is full of girls trying to pull off the J-Girl look. Very obvious which clientele they are trying to target.

Day 3 -
In the morning, I went to the Exchange and Internet shop near the hotel. I was reading an e-mail from Sailing, who I would see in Tokyo and just then 2 hotties walked in. I quickly noted my luck in my e-mail and in my hurry I now see that I typed in 3 instead of 2 in my excitement. Lol! There was one that I was definitely more interested in, but had some time to kill while re-charging my batteries, so I bought them breakfast and we went off to shoot some pool. Once my batteries were good to go, I took one of them back to my room and had another great session. She had just the greatest butt on her, which was clearly on display with her short shorts. Was not disappointed when I got them off. A before noon quicky set me back 1,000 baht. Not a bad deal.

In the afternoon, after a short nap, I went to the King and I Spa on Soi 12. It's more of a legit massage place, although I am sure it's a YMMV thing. I was hitting my first wall, so just a massage was fine for me. Cost was about 800 baht. It's a very nice place and very relaxing. The massage was great, so I would recommend it if you just want a great oil massage. After the massage, I went down the street to Cabbages and Condoms for lunch. Great place to eat and would highly recommend it if you have never eaten there. Might be a bit touristy for some, but I enjoy their selections.

Later in the evening, I met up with an esteemed member of the board and he was most generous in showing me around for the evening. A very cool guy now living in Thailand, who speaks fluent english. Knows his stuff! We visited the Colonze 2 soapie and I had another great time. I picked out an angel and off we went for a nice bath and fs. DATY really got her going and we had a great session. Silky soft skin and a definite GFE! After the Colonze 2 session, we were off to a hostess bar called the Pent Executive Club. A change of pace venue for the eye candy. We had a good time drinking and checking out the stunning girls there. It's on 31/1 Vittayu road, Lumpini Pathumwan. Phone 0 2655 3890-2. Many thanks to him for showing me around for the evening in one of the coolest cities in the world.

Day 4:
I went to Akane Fashion massage on Soi 33 and had Miho. She was one of the better looking girls there. The lineup was not that strong, but I do enjoy the massage and release there. She was very friendly and had a good bod, so it was a nice session. A nice rub and tug as they say. Total damage was just under 2,000 baht for the lingerie/nude massage and tip (1,450 and 500).

I had lunch and off I went back to the hotel or so I thought. I passed Nana and stopped at Hillary II for a quick game of pool and a drink to cool off. As I was awaiting my turn, two Isaan cuties smiled and I smiled back. It's just so easy here. They walk over and what should have a short pit stop turned into 12 hours of pool, drinking, dining, dancing, and of course sex. First came the 4 hours of pool and drinking. Later I bar fined both of them and we left the bar. I was only interested in one of them, but her friend was very cool too, so WTF. We went back to my room to shower and re-charge. We then went to Hillary I, which was having a party. We had more food and drinks, and a fellow hobbyist was hitting on my "dates" friend. We were laughing and telling her to go for it, but apparently he was not her type. Lol! We ended up at Angels (Nana) Night Club and danced the night away. We said farewell to her friend and spent the rest of the evening in bed not sleeping. I must say, there were a lot of lookers at Angels, but I was more than pleased with the "shy" angel that I had.

She played the "shy" game at first, but alittle DATY and she warmed up real fast. A great late night session and a cool morning session as well. Paid her a 2,000 baht tip and told her I would see her later that evening.

Day 5:
After the morning session with my Hillary II sweetie, I went and did the tourist thing for a few hours. I went to Angel massage in the afternoon and I must say they have a very good selection. There's a small room on the right as you go in and they sit/stand in a circle around the room. You stand by the doorway and make your selection. After Angel massage, I went back to Hillary II and spent the rest of the evening with my "shy" girl on my last night. We just clicked and I could not pass up on a 2nd evening with this sweet thing. In the morning, I said my good byes and went off to the Airport and on to my next stop in Japan.

What a great trip! Time just goes by too fast in this town and so many of the places that I wanted to visit or re-visit never made it on to my itinerary. Sazanka was on the list, but never made it. All for the best though, as there will be other days.

AT2

[Member #2041]

I have to pity the poor souls who get arrival dates in the first month or so - if it's anything like Denver in the US prepare for chaos.

Well, I'm arriving on November 29th, so if they delay the opening another 2 months, that's going to put me in on the first day. Hopefully, I can cram all my stuff into a carry-on and a personal item, to avoid getting it lost in baggage handling.

[Adimondo]

Oldbuthappy, Jc373 and Meaty,

Thank you gentlemen for the updates!

[Member #4378]

I don't think my Bangkok experience can add anything decisively new to this distinguished forum, but, in any case, here are my 2cents for what its worth.

Several times in the past, I picked up uzbek girls for LT from Grace.

We used some of our free time at night to browse the internet and find info about Uzbekistan. It seemed the girls liked it; in particular, they really enjoyed uzbek songs.

Some of these songs are about homeland, parents, etc, and very intense. I noticed that some of these girls would change after listening these songs and become more friendly (GF enhancement) and, the chemistry is adjusted. Some of their initial stories are altered, some new sad stories are told, and, importantly, girls may stay longer. For one of them, I played the song several times because she wanted to write down the words. Overall, enjoyable time.

[KGB420]

I took note of the bar ratings at Nana that someone posted a few weeks ago and decided I would do my own investigating as I usually like to see things for myself. First I will start off with all of the Rainbow bars. They are basically all the same design and all of them were packed when I went in. I stayed a Rainbow 1 for a beer but I found it kinda bad for checking out the merchandise. Basically the place was packed and the same girls dance in the same spot non stop. So if you dont like the girls your looking at Tough shit! So as you can see I quickly left there not to return to any of the rainbow bars. Basically too not make this too long and boring....Im just gonna mention the bars that caught my attention. The first one was Angel Witch. This bar is my 2nd favorite. They have shows of varying themes all the time and they have lots of girls of all shapes and sizes. The one thing I didnt like about this bar the girls were a little aggressive and you had to almost shoo them off like flies. Otherwise the chicks are nice and the bar has a great atmosphere. My favorite was Carnival. It had a nice atmosphere and best it had lesbian shows. I mean two chicks were up on stage under a shower eating each other out!! I hadnt seen full nudity in Nana shows but I have now. The shows are more explicit then the ones at Angel witch, so if you like nudity head here.


As for Soi Cowboy........I went there briefly on Saturday. The best bar was Long gun and the most disappointing was Suzy Wong. I had heard so many good things about Suzy Wong and it was pretty crappy. The chicks werent that nice and the music sucked. I went into a bar named Tonys and they had one chick who must have been over 40........She was terrible.....It was the quickest U turn I ever did.


So after a short visit to Soi Cowboy it was back to Nana.........



I will have to spend some more time @ cowboy before writing about it.....I cant remember how many times I been to Nana though or The Biergarten for that matter.


Cheers



RM

[Evil Penivel]

[QUOTE=Dimension]
Several times in the past, I picked up uzbek girls for LT from Grace.

Some of their initial stories are altered, some new sad stories are told...QUOTE]

It's not surprising these girls tell sad stories, they are trafficked by one mob or the other, usually the Chenchen mafia. I know Isaan farm girls don't have the same options as a Harvard MBA graduate, but compared with the unfortunate ladies at the Grace, Thai girls, no matter how poor, have infinitely more control over their lives.

Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace.

Evil

[Piper1]

It's not surprising these girls tell sad stories, they are trafficked by one mob or the other, usually the Chenchen mafia. I know Isaan farm girls don't have the same options as a Harvard MBA graduate, but compared with the unfortunate ladies at the Grace, Thai girls, no matter how poor, have infinitely more control over their lives.

Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace.

Evil
Evil P - I agree about the trafficking and control issues - to varying extents same thing happens in Dubai.

Not sure what you meant in your last sentence. Can you explain?

[Priamos]

[Quote 1] Also, if you're a farang who walks tall and proud, you're not very welcome at the Grace. [Evil Penivel]

[Quote 2] Not sure what you meant in your last sentence. Can you explain? [Piper 1]

I think Evil P means that if you're American, and resolutely so, these days you may not feel welcome in the midst of a large group of partying Arabs. I experienced rather the same - though under radically opposite circumstances - during my last stay in BKK, which happened to coincide with the attacks in the London Underground. I stayed at Majestic Suites which, as you know, have a lot of visitors from the Gulf countries, and when they realised that I wasn't particularly upset about what had happened (I'm sick and tired of this this "War on Terror" and to some extent felt that the Brits had brought it on themselves...) my co-tourists decided that I was their best friend in the world. - Needless to say, this is not exactly the kind of accolade I appreciate. But, again, I suspect that a proud Yank in Grace Hotel might experience rather the opposite reaction from the locals.

[Member #4378]

I was surprised to find out that some of these girls not only leave with a few other
"colleagues" and mamasan, but also share a bed, sleeping next to each other (4 of them). She said that she gets so tired in the morning that she doesnt care.

[Priamos]

[Quote] "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." [Evil P]

Don't make it personal, Evil P. Not so long ago many people in Boston walked around with badges saying "Support the IRA". I'm sure most British people, who'd had hundreds of their compatriotes blown up by the Republicans, found this unpleasant. But it wasn't an insult. Not any more than an Arab person these days deciding Osama is a hero and W is a criminal. You and I might agree that such persons are seriously misguided, but... their strong emotions are hardly conjured up to insult us.

[Piper1]

Actually, I probably never would have walked into the Grace back in 2005 if I'd have known the customer base had shifted so decisively. I've been down some dark alleys in my time and poked my nose in a lot of weird places, but never, never, ever have I stared into so many Charles Manson eyes as I did that night at the Grace. The hatred was so thick you could bottle it. I definitely felt my presence wasn't appreciated.Evil P - your poetic licence has expired! Hand it in pardner, as well as your John Wayne badge. ;)

(Trivia fact: - John Wayne's real first name was Marion - what a girlie. :))

Living and working with many Arabs every day, I probably wouldn't blink if I walked into Grace and found it full of Arabs, and certainly wouldn't feel threatened. I work with educated Arabs/Moslems, who are more refined, tolerant and non-racist than most educated Westeners I know.

In my "secret life" late at nights, I often rumble (sometimes literally!) in Grace-like places with working class, tough-looking Arabs/Moslems, who are actually friendly, generous and gentle men (and f*cking good pool players!). All are welcoming of westerners.

Of course, there's always an extremist minority in any religion/race (look at Mel Gibson and his old man's bizarre sect).

I tried visiting Grace last October, prompted by one of your vivid and colorful posts on the fine establishment, but it was closed for renovations - has it re-opened yet?

I hear the Russian/CIS girls in BKK just don't compare to some of the stunners in Dubai. C'mon over one day for a look-see!

[LittleBigMan]

Since all my trips to Thailand are spent with the family in Pattaya, when in Bangkok my time there is short basically in Transit. Arrivals are usually on NW or Cathay so time in transit could be 8 hrs to 24 hrs before heading to Pattaya. My stays now have been narrow down to staying at Nana Hotel although I could afford a little more somewhere else. This keeps me close to the train and everything else within walking distant especially the massages legal or not. But the 4 main reason I stay at the Nana, not in specific order of importants! The Bus Stop, The pork chop at the Nana resturant, the all you can eat breakfast that comes with the room plus newspaper and finally the Angel Disco at the hotel.

The Disco more than the parking lot has been somewhat of a jackpot during my last few visit. Although the entry fee has gone up to 500 baht, I look at it no more than a bar fine for a girl. I get a drink with the entry and I get to listen to some good disco music, sit, drink, and watch the ladies come in and out and dance. Personally my last few visit at the disco the girls seem to be getting better and better. My last trip before and after Pattaya there seem to be a group of girls that come in around 11pm that included some hotties.
The biggest drawback is that I don't like to negotiate price and most of the hotties wanted 3,000 baht which I decline and ended up taken my second choice or 3rd choices for 1500 Baht. But I never have had any regrets because the 2nd and 3rd choices have been great!

Does anyone who visits the disco have the same reaction. And last being at the Nana affords me less time getting back to another hotel. Out the disco and up the elevator to the room.

My next transit stop will be October 25, 26,? See ya at the disco!

[Member #4378]

Piper1,

Yes, the Grace disco has re-opened. You can find middle eastern, uzbek and uzbek/russian girls (blame it on the direct Tashkent-BKK flight). Some of the russian girls looked like from the southern CIS (at least they looked different from those in Moscow). I noticed a couple of decent quality russian girls, unfortunately, good items disappear fast. I agree with you that the average quality is not comparable to that in Dubai, neither is the average price.

As for the atmosphere in Grace, I didnt find it intimidating, though I dont look like a Harvard MBA graduate. I agree with Evil Penivel that some men in the Grace look at you in a somewhat different, unusual way (I wouldnt say hostile, though), but since you have worked with Arabs, you dont need an advice from the rookie like me.

[Hippie]

LitleBigMan said "Does anyone who visits the disco have the same reaction."

Yep. In fact, your second paagraph pretty much described exactly what I expect the two nights I will be spending in Nana Hotle later this month to be like, because that is what the last few nights I stayed the were like.

I only went in the Grace Disco once, and that was two years ago so attitudes may have changed, but I felt no hostility whatsoever. Mostly curiosity. However, i was bored and left after an hour.

[DRRonin]

have been here in bangkok for almost a week so far and nothing new in particular to report other than the usual pit stops of infamy. on all my previous trips here i have the normal two weeks to get in all the fun that my body and mind could manage and by the time i finally dragged my hurting body on to the plane i am ready for a 20 hour flight in which sex is not possible, but this time around i am in for a longer haul – around five to six months in which i plan to spend a big chunk of it in thailand and bits and pieces in other locations around asia. so i am approaching this trip with a very different sexual perspective – partly because my limited budget dictates that to some degree and also because i want this to feel more like a “normal” life except that i get laid every now and then with young attractive women. so it’s no longer an all-day hunt with my nose to the ground in search of my next interlude - no longer scouring the sidewalks of sukhumit at four in the morning looking for one last desperate score before i turn off the lights for good. now i go to the movies, do a little shopping, take long walks, go swimming, get in some reading, hit a few tourist spots that i have avoided for years – all without thinking that i am wasting time that could be better spent looking for the next one – the next perfect small body, the next giggle under the sheets, the next “where you come from”, the next reluctant blow job, the next widening of eyes upon entry, the next release, the next enduring memory.

still i am in bangkok and so have been indulging from time to time in my favorite sport other than baseball. i plead guilty to being more than mundane in my search criteria – i am a victim of the sukhumvit circle – a sucking vortex that keeps me a prisoner between the small boundaries of nana at one end and soi cowboy at the other end and of course all that lies between. in the past i have rarely wandered outside of this mental playground and never really felt the need to – if you can’t find what you need sexually here to keep you happy for two weeks you need counseling. but this time i am hoping to break out of this imaginary force field but need to do some research in these pages to see what else is available (other than patpong which i gave up on years ago). there must be lots but few seem to write about it.

so thus far i have just been doing the usual rounds – the nana disco, the nana parking lot, the beer garden, grace hotel, nana plaza, the thermae and of course the streets that at certain times of the night just come alive with the moving, pulsing forms of willing flesh. mixed results and impressions so far. i haven’t been overwhelmed by the quality for the most part – so many of the girls look tired, shop worn and fearful that time is catching up with them. time doesn’t treat many of these girls kindly. i have come across two women that i went with back in the mid-90’s – both of them adorable back then – incredibly full of life and at the top of their game. i would have to guess that they can’t be more than their early 30’s at the most now but both could easily be mistaken for forty and not a good gong li forty. it breaks my heart to see this – the ones that get left behind, that never find that falang in the sky, that never go home, that never got out of the life when they could have and are now sentenced to this forever or as long as they can still occasionally find that drunk customer who sees them through a haze of alcohol - but most nights i see them sitting alone at the bars thinking perhaps this will be the night when they recapture their youth again even if just for a short few hours - before finally trekking home as the light begins to creep out and thinking that tomorrow will be different – an old lover will show up and still think of them as they once were when the whole world seemed to be their oyster.

i was coming across so few women that made my gonads dance that i was wondering if i had lost my taste for thai women – but then today i spent a few hours in the mbk plaza mall and damn just one hottie after another – hundreds of them coming at you in waves – all far out of reach of course but at least i knew it wasn’t my taste that has changed. if mbk was a giant brothel i would never leave. so here is a brief report on my sexual doings as few as they are up to this point.

the first day i got in around 4:30 in the afternoon and crashed for hours before waking up to get to the nana disco by midnight. it is much calmer in there this time around – fewer women, fewer customers. it used to be nearly impossible to maneuver around after midnight it was so crowded but not so far in my 3-4 ventures in there. entry fee is 400 baht with a drink thrown into the deal. hard to guess how many women are inside – 70, 80? maybe more, maybe less? just less than there used to be and many fewer standouts. they stand on the sides or wiggle on the dance floor while others sit at tables and look unapproachable. i can’t figure out the table sitters. they never look at all interested in finding a customer – just sit with their friends and drink and laugh and never glance around. i found two friends on the side and took them upstairs – 1500 each – both 22 and decent but not great. one i had been with 2 years ago and she had put on a great show for me then but now she showed a surprising lack of willing intimacy – didn’t want to kiss and wasn’t particularly keen to bj without a condom. in fact, when it was her turn to do so she picked up her friend and placed her gently on my face so that i couldn’t see her mild attempts at engaging me orally. still i finished with the friend and sent them on their way. every night they want a repeat but i just shake my head no – in the case of a raging thunderstorm and no one else being around it’s a possibility but only then.

the next night i hit thermae and after hearing a few positive reports on this board i had hopes that it was returning to its days of glory, but the pickings were mediocre – not even as good as it was 2-3 years ago when they had a coterie of young sweeties who hung out around the jukebox and danced. i remember doing every single one of them over one trip, but they have moved on i guess. there were some 7’s among the crowd but the vast majority would be 4’s and 5’s. last night i returned again and was eyeing up a group of four attractive friends who showed up – not bad at all – and then a couple young japanese guys showed up and these girls went all a fritter as if they were in the presence of rock stars – and they were all over them like a wet blanket and i moved on knowing i wasn’t going to be with any of them that night. i will continue to check it out from time to time to see what drags itself on shore, but i don’t have high hopes. i made it back to the nana disco and found myself a good one – tip – a little sweetie from issan whose wide smile i could see clear across the room and upon closer inspection i discovered these big brown eyes that made my knees buckle. she gave me a smile and i was helpless. it turned out to be a terrific choice – extremely friendly and loves being touched and kissed deeply. much to my surprise she turned out to have a lovely pair of breasts that had remained well hidden in her attire. after spending considerable time paying attention to them, she accused me of choosing her only because of her breasts – not true but now that i have them i plan to give them the proper respect they deserve. i took her the following night as well and went looking tonight but she wasn’t around – i have to be careful with this one or i could get hooked.

i have breezed through a couple of the go-go bars in nana plaza but have taken nothing out yet. with my budget i can’t afford it often and will try and keep it to once a week at most. rainbow ii had a lot of cuties and after catching the eye of one diminutive young thing on the dance stage who showed some promising cleavage i quickly paid my bill off and cleared out before she got off the stage and came over – there was no way i could have said no to that. one other night i went up to the hollywood bar on the third floor – at least that’s what i think it is called – just go up the stairs on the left and keep going up. it was my favorite place last year for just viewing the girls who actually seem to be having fun compared to most of the go-go bars where they tend to stare vacantly out and hop from one foot to the other in an imitation of dance. i only did one pair from there last year and it wasn’t very satisfactory. i liked their attire as well – short skirts with loose white unbuttoned shirts that allowed the occasional glimpse of a lonesome nipple. now they have put pasties on and take off the shirts – not nearly as sexy actually but certainly it leaves little mystery about the size, shape and firmness of their breasts. there were a lot of girls that met my basic criteria – small, cute, flat stomachs, firm and young. i will definitely be back and have a few in mind already. the cost i was told by the mamasan was 600 bar fine and 2000 for the girl. once a week sounds about right for me.

i haven’t taken any from the beer garden either and in fact have had no afternoon trysts so far. i think i have swung by too early because there has been nothing i have seen that made me even stop to have a drink - a quick walk around and out the door. but i know from past experience that you can hit days like this and then all of a sudden you come across a cutie that feels like a floating mirage in the desert. and since i am not a message parlor guy or a likely candidate for [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s this is still one of the few afternoon places to find something. i am slowly in the process of collecting phone numbers from the good ones and will use those to fill in some lazy rainy afternoons.

the nana parking lot has been the source of my other finds so far. the parking lot is an odd collection of women – many that just have no right being in the business and others that are pretty damn fine. they start collecting in the early evening and as the night approaches midnight it gets busier. in fact, i love hanging out on the front street there and just watching the world go by – the girls, the guys, the farang women, the flower sellers, the touts, the food vendors – all weaving in and out in this fascinating collage of life that feels like it should be painted by toulouse-lautrec – captured somehow for posterity. “darling where you go”, “how much you want short time”, “up to you” conversations float around like balloons waiting to be popped. there may be no place like it in the world and i love to just breath in the sounds, smells and sights and let them seep into my brain. i wish i had a giant tv screen at home in which i could watch the action unfold every night. the best looking ones line up on the sidewalk outside in front of the hotel – almost all with dyed blonde hair and in their early 20’s and looking fit and fun. guys walk by, chat for a bit, bargain and move on because the girls all seem to be asking for 1500 baht. even the young japanese usually put up one finger for 1,000 and then move away. eventually though someone gives penance to their price and off they go. i did myself. for two of them. two nice ones who turned out to be knockouts in the nude – you never really know till that moment of truth and i have found myself trying to get aroused in front of slumping breasts and stretch marks more times than i want to guess. but these two were close to perfect – small of course in frame but oversized in beautiful breasts – one with large dark nipples that always rattles my cage. unfortunately, their performance didn’t quite live up to the promise – one didn’t want boom boom because she was too small and i was too big she said – sure big, like a white lie. the other didn’t want to smoke – so i would have to be smoked by one and be boom boomed by the other. ok. maybe i should have renegotiated at that point but my penis was quickly in the one girl’s mouth and it just didn’t seem like the right time to bring up the subject. still in the end both were very good at what they agreed to do and fairly sweet in nature and so i just paid them off. tonight i ended up with the bj point person again – i asked her how she could possibly do other farang (who believe me are much larger than i am on average i would guess) and she told me she usually only went with japanese. well she promised me some boom boom tonight if i took her – “only little little please”. ok – i am more of a bj guy than a boom boom guy anyway – but it all turned out to be true – she was incredibly small and as much as i tried to enter her i just wasn’t able to without pain appearing in her eyes and after a few minutes i gave up the ghost and settled for a lengthy and satisfying oral fix. they go by em and cookie – “good to eat” she told me. there was another one from the front i went with – a tiny girl – and that was decent though she complained that i was taking too long – which was true – but she never gave up trying but at some point i did. there are just times like that. she was only 1.000 baht.

and that’s it for now - six days, six different girls, two doubles – nothing to be proud of but this time it isn’t a race to the finish line but a long marathon for me. i will be interested to see if the simple joy of being around these women begins to wear thin over time – will i hit periods when all i want is to be on my own and away from it all – go weeks without any. i guess i will find out but for now it’s not bad at all and the thought of doing this for the next many months makes me feel very relaxed. “you happy?” one girl asked after finishing. ya so far i am.

so any suggestions thrown my way of other places to hit are welcome. also, in front of the nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but i don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. are these worth the effort? also anyone know a good place in the sukhumvit area that sells good breakfast baked goods - cinnamon croissants and butterflies - there was a place in the nana plaza last year but its gone.

[Member #4351]

Nice report. Both the Marriott and Landmark hotels sell a good selection of the baked goods you are looking for....a little pricey.

[Spursman]

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[Meaty]

Also, in front of the Nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but I don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. Are these worth the effort?
The usual ones in that area are Sin bar, almost opposite Annies, but closer to Soi 4, walk through a door and go straight up some stairs, and also the Rooftop Bar or garden, on top of Sukhumvit Plaza, which is on the opposite side of Sukhumvit before you get to soi 1.
Both are pricey, but not rip off places, I personally would find them on my own rather than go with a tout. There are touts in cowboy that want to take you to a bar near MBK that they say has FL's and disco and pool tables, never been, couldn’t work out quite where, they said it was a Thai place but very farrang friendly, the guy wanted to take us there in a taxi, but we had a car, he had no problem coming alone with us 4 guys in our car, but the one of our group was overly sceptical so we didn't go, really don’t know if this is a rip off, or a genuine place that send touts out for commission.

[Spank You Too]

Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.

[Tiger 888]

A very nice report. I like your writing style. Keep on!
Things get better here after Jackson has moved most of the Kindergarten to the Thailand fight club.

[Duniawala]

Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.
Sorry guys, but he is so sincere (with 6+ posts, I don't know where) I have to answer this.

1. 6,000 - 8,000B plus tips + breakfast + taxi money
2. 3,000-5,000 B plus tips plus Taxi money
3. 2,000 - 3,000 B per 30 minutes rounded to the next 30 minutes.
4. Spanking the monkey in LOS - priceless

[AsiaTraveler2]

Sorry guys, but he is so sincere (with 6+ posts, I don't know where) I have to answer this.

1. 6,000 - 8,000B plus tips + breakfast + taxi money
2. 3,000-5,000 B plus tips plus Taxi money
3. 2,000 - 3,000 B per 30 minutes rounded to the next 30 minutes.
4. Spanking the monkey in LOS - priceless

Duniawala;

You cheap Charlie! I never pay less than 10,000 baht for an all nighter! lol!

AT2

[Meaty]

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?
So spend the next 4 months RTFF !! Come on, help us to help you, the prices today and the prices next year will probably change (allbeit slightly, but thats not the piont). With 4 months before arrival you have plenty of time to give the threads a good scan and without doubt answer your own questions. In fact if you bothered to scroll down and read DRRonins excellent post (on this page) he answers 2 of your questions.
MP prices vary so much from 800 baht for 2hrs, to 25,000 baht for 1.5 hrs depending on who and where. Seriously :rolleyes:

[Brain666]

Hey guys,

I'm off to Bangkok next year and want to know prices?

What should i pay for:

1) full service in my hotel till mroning.
2) short time in hotel room.
3) massage time.

To add some serious answer as well.

If you will have time until this year, you should read this forum on a daily basis. Information is nowwhere so easy to find then here in the Thai Forum. Hundreds of active members have already contributed what you are asking for.
Just read it, read it and read it.

For a base knowledge start with the reports od distiction section which gives you the base.

Why don't you do some homework for us as well: You study the posts and then summarize them in your own report and asked for confirmation:

e.g.: " I found out the following
1) ST/LT rate from Streetwalker girls is xxxx/yyyy
Goo Goo Bar giirls in Soi Cowboy i: xxxx/yyyy
.....

3) massage time is :
2 h at AAAAAA for xxxx
90 min at BBBB for

If you do like this then the members here are better willing to answer this then to ask for easy available information.

regards and start to contribute

Brain666

[Meaty]

Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.

[Pulse]

Well, DRRonin, I stand and applause - a magnificent report, so well written.

As much as a turn-off Patpong might be, over the years I've enjoyed two beauties from Safari Bar who would match your expectations. Sure the bar is a little tame, but that's it's point of difference (especially in Patpong!). It has a pleasant atmosphere, no-one's too pushy and the girls at least appear genuinely attentive. It'd be nice if they could move past the thai-girl-go-go-shuffle but I'm prepared to compromise. And some of the girls are genuinely quite beautiful (without having to worry about the danger of bar-fining more than you bargained for!). Like you, a big smile from a petite, young little thing and I'm gone. I haven't been there for 18 months but will be back in 4 weeks with every intention of exploring once again.

I wish you well with your exploration of BKK and all it has to offer.

Pulse

[Inukshuk]

I'm in Chiang Mai this week and Bangkok next week. I've never really been into the whole "scene" before as I've been too freaked out about all the diseases. But, since I'm on vacation, I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras (but not the full meal deal) or a show / dance, etc). Basically, I'm looking for something that would nicely "ease" my way into the scene.

Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.

[Angus Magee]

Why don't you do some homework for us as well: You study the posts and then summarize them in your own report and asked for confirmation:

If you do like this then the members here are better willing to answer this then to ask for easy available information.

regards and start to contribute

Brain666

Good post-One thing I will not understand is why we get these posts asking for info that is easily available in the thread. When I went to BKK a couple of years ago I spent weeks reading the past postings, almost memorizing it word for word. And it was a pleasure to do so. Pre-trip reasearch can be almost...well not really but...almost as much fun as the trip. And if a new member can come on here showing that he is willing to do some work, chances are that he will post some good reports.

Enough of my rant though. I just wanted to say here, here.

[Jimbehr2000]

Great report. You covered everything I like to talk about--from the same old haunts to what it would be like to spend an extended holiday in Thailand--to does Thai girl fever wear off. I am familiar with your handle so I know I have read your work either here or on other boards. This has to be your finest work yet. Looking forward to hearing more of your long vacation in Asia.

I hope you won't mind my posting your report in the Reports of Distinction section.

[1Ball]

Good post-One thing I will not understand is why we get these posts asking for info that is easily available in the thread. When I went to BKK a couple of years ago I spent weeks reading the past postings, almost memorizing it word for word. And it was a pleasure to do so. Pre-trip reasearch can be almost...well not really but...almost as much fun as the trip. And if a new member can come on here showing that he is willing to do some work, chances are that he will post some good reports.

Enough of my rant though. I just wanted to say here, here.
Angus, in some circles, we call it laziness, though I agree with you. To go back 30 pages, and read over a week long period, using cut / paste, is a great way to get so much more information than asking a question.
spank 2u has been a member for 2 1/2 years, has 7 reports. Did I mention it is called laziness?

[NoCBJ4Me]

....I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras ......"ease" my way into the scene ....

A massage parlor would probably be the best way to go. You can go as far as you want there. You choose the girl and any extras will be your choice. You wouldn't be too affraid to get a Hand Job from a beautiful nude massuse, would you? I would recommend that you get a Soapy Massage.

Go here: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1421 and spend an hour reading the posts going back about a year. This is what is refered to as RTFF (Read The Fuckin' Forum). The answers to 99% of all your questions are already in there. Forum members often get agrivated when new members don't bother to do a bit of reading to answer their questions. Hense the RTFF comments.

Do some reading and if you stiil don't find what you are looking for, ask again. Please post a report of your experienses so that others may benefit from them.

nocbj4me

[Tiger 888]

Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.Why does nobody talk about Cactus. The place rocks and it is not on your map. If it is too much of a secret, then let me know and I will delete this port.

[Traveler1234]

I'm in Chiang Mai this week and Bangkok next week. I've never really been into the whole "scene" before as I've been too freaked out about all the diseases. But, since I'm on vacation, I want to test the waters a bit and have a little fun (ie a massage with some extras (but not the full meal deal) or a show / dance, etc). Basically, I'm looking for something that would nicely "ease" my way into the scene.

Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.

When in Bkk, there is the famous Soi 33, home of the infamous Livingstone's Lodge and many bars and massage parlors.

Bars: stay away from Renoir, Monet and Office AND Sports Bar at Livingstone's- they're rip-off joints, over charge, bad service. Pretty much the others are worthy to visit and buy some ladydrinks, etc.

Massage Parlor - one that has come highly recommended is the newly opened Teen VIP Massage - make sure you ask for 'Guitar': she is hot!

[1Ball]

T1234, what can I say, other than
BESTARD.

[Traveler1234]

T1234, what can I say, other than
BESTARD.

Can you give me similar recommendations for Bali :D

[JuiceSpike]

Don't go to Bangkok. Forget it. You will be corrupted. Or, go and stay at the Lodge and seek advice and counseling from the Pimp and/or the Gimp.

juices

[Giotto]

Don't go to Bangkok. Forget it. You will be corrupted. Or, go and stay at the Lodge and seek advice and counseling from the Pimp and/or the Gimp.JuiceSpike,

Bestard! LOL!

My advice would be: Go to Bali :D !


Giotto

[Crazy4Thai]

Also, in front of the Nana after 2am a bunch of guys always try and get me to go to after hours clubs but I don’t know anything about them and don’t want to get ripped off. Are these worth the effort? Also anyone know a good place in the Sukhumvit area that sells good breakfast baked goods - cinnamon croissants and butterflies - there was a place in the Nana Plaza last year but its gone.


Enjoyed your report!
I just returned from an 8 month adventure in Thailand, much of it in BKK. I've had some experience with the afterhours clubs. Of course you'll find way more ladies prowling the streets at these hours, but if you like a party atmosphere, music, dancing, drinking expensive drinks, 180 bt beer, you can have a great time. I experience dancing as foreplay so almost always have a great time. I also put more emphasis on mutual chemistry than stunning good looks, so I rarely go home alone. One woman that I took out of Nana Disco I've nicknamed Dancer of My Dreams. I took her to after hours place when we closed up Nana. It was one of the best nights of my life. Tequila Dragon on 7/1 is one place. Another is in the alleyway between soi 5 and 7. Ask the ladies, they know where they are. My first experience was thru a taxi tout. High priced drinks, jai lai mamasan pushing her small stable. I momentarily fell in love with a real beauty there. 1000 bt to take her out, 2000 to her. NOT my usual style but it was gooooood.

chok dee kop

c4t

[Evil Penivel]

Hey guys,

What should i pay for:

That's almost an impossible question to answer. It's like asking what you should pay for a hotel room or a meal in Bangkok (or London or New York or wherever). There's a huge range of choices, it depends on what you want and the thickness of your wallet. There's no one price for a lady's company, any more than there's one price for hotel rooms or for a meal. But as others have pointed out, read the reports in this thread and you'll get an idea of the range of prices for S/T or L/T. But unless you're hurting badly for money, don't worry about getting the rock-bottom prices you sometimes read about.

[Evil Penivel]

Any suggestions on places for little innocent me would be appreciated

Thanks.

A visit to the Eden Club would permanently cure you of your innocence. But it is like jumping in at the deep end of the pool. It's the major league of mongering.

Evil

[Veterano]

This map of Soi Cowboy omits two of the best (with full nudity) ~ Sheba and Dollhouse!

Just trying to help, no flames please

[1Ball]

JuiceSpike,

Bestard! LOL!

My advice would be: Go to Bali :D !


Giotto
G, you bestard! My advice, go to Cleveland. :(

[Spank You Too]

Thanks guys for all your lovley words, I'm glad you were all so helpfull. Indeed I will start to contrubute, I'm new so I'm getting there.

I have been studing this for about 3 months now but I wanted to also ask. But there again I must have miss understood that this was A HELPFUL forum for people to SHARE infomation without getting there nickers in a knot.

None the less I'm happy to take the criticisim on board and will contrubute as soon as I get some experience

[NoCBJ4Me]

A visit to the Eden Club would permanently cure you of your innocence. But it is like jumping in at the deep end of the pool. It's the major league of mongering.

Evil

Evil,

Inukshuk's already in LOS and hasn't gotten any so far! He probably can't handle Eden quite yet.

nocbj4me

[Yoyohpw97]

just to give an update for the good breakfast & bakery lovers like dr ronin:
on sukhumvit: crepes & co > soi12 after passing darling & cabbage and condom you will see the oval yellow sign on the right side of the street, inside very quiet and relax ambiance. there they have good bakery basket but you better look at the different formula they are doing like : simple breakfast, strong breakfast and brunch. it is also a very good mediteranean restaurant: a big choice of salad copious salad, a large range of salty crepes(french pan cake ) and exeptional marocan tajine and coucous.

around chit lom bts: cafe lenotre > lang suan rd: top french bakeries and pastries, a bit pricey but may be the best in bangkok.

on silom> take the sky train to sala daeng: la boulange > opposite patpong 2 it's convent rd, look on the right side after the adidas shop. a very good range of french bakery but more on the budget side this time, they also have a restaurant (bistro like and inexpensive).

for after parties, there is something like 4 of them just on sukhumvit area, at least, the sukhumvit plaza roof top is one of them, but often raided by the police for them to close on time and also for drug testing ( if they ask you to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the little bottle, that's what it's for).
there is also 2 others enter soi 5 and soi 21, always full of fl, drinks are not over priced and the music is ok, one of them is at the 3rd floor and even have a separate room with pool tables, entrance 150 bht, the other one is on the ground floor and free entrance.
don't need to worry with the tuk tuk and taxi who want to bring you there, just keep in mind that they have nothing else to do at this time, so they all gather to these late closing places as people there don't stop to go in & out, but play it safe when being drunk and alone like everywhere else.

hope this help.

enjoy

yoyo

[DRRonin]

Thanks for all the heads ups on the bakeries and after hour clubs - I will definitely report back on them - well the clubs anyway - after getting to them. The one in the alley is I assume the club right across from where I do my internetting. Right now I am not sure which I would prefer - a tasty cinnamon bun or a girl. Jet lag finally caught up with me the last two nights and I missed Friday night completely and last night woke up around 2:30 am and groggily walked out to the parking lot and grabbed the first one that appealed to me. Big mistake. As mechanical as a time piece. I was even taking too long in the shower and she came to hurry me up - not a good sign and worse was to come. 30 seconds of smoking and she wanted to move on to step 2 - I pushed her head back - 5 seconds and her head pops up again like its Groundhogs Day - we go thru this a few more times before I give up and move on. By this time I felt so bored I just wanted this over with. It's always hit and miss and you just have to take the mediocre experiences in stride and not let them slow you down. Sometimes you can go thru stretches of good and bad - two year ago I hit a streak of such great ones that I wanted to play the lotto.

I should probably count my blessings that in the sleepy state I was in she didn't have a dick. Somehow I forgot to mention that special ingrediant to the Nana Parking lot scene in my other report. None of them tend to actually come into the parking lot - perhaps management has told them not to after a few screaming customers - but they hang out in front - particualrly across the street and just wave at you and make suggestive mouth motions. They are hard to miss. They have tits. Big ones. Hard like a blown up football. Every now and then I catch myself admiring them before I realize what they are and then go, oh shit. I have always assumed in the past that most of their business came from either drunken falangs or naive boys right out of Idaho who have never heard of such a thing and can't wait to tell their buddies back home about this big breasted Asian woman they scored with - but after a few days of observation it seems fairly clear that they have their own niche market - guys who come over here to do Ladyboys. And hey, why not - whatever floats your boat in this crazy world. But I have seen older obviouosly sober and experienced guys chat them up and go off with them - one guy with 2 of them the other night. Later they might say they didn't know but I don't believe it for a minute. I would just be curious to listen in on the conversation - do they specifically want ones that still have it or ones that have let it go I wonder? Is the market that defined - guys who do LBs with and those without? I will likely never know. Anyway I hope to keep my eyes awake tonight and find a good one to wash out last night's bad taste.

Thanks again.

[Ganoosh]

Huh?? The SC map is a bit dated. Shark Bar, Spice Girlz, Deja Vu?... the beer bars on the corner of Suk & Asoke were plowed down a while back.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=49803


Below is a map of Soi Cowboy and a map of Patpong, bars come and go, especially the smaller ones, but these look pretty up to date, especially the Cowboy one as Apache has only been open 6-10 months.

[Terry Terrier]

by the way, rumours of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) opening in hua hin are totally true, 1st of august is the planned date.

www.lolitashuahin.com/

[AsiaTraveler2]

just to give an update for the good breakfast & bakery lovers like dr ronin:
on sukhumvit: crepes & co > soi12 after passing darling & cabbage and condom you will see the oval yellow sign on the right side of the street, inside very quiet and relax ambiance. there they have good bakery basket but you better look at the different formula they are doing like : simple breakfast, strong breakfast and brunch. it is also a very good mediteranean restaurant: a big choice of salad copious salad, a large range of salty crepes(french pan cake ) and exeptional marocan tajine and coucous.

around chit lom bts: cafe lenotre > lang suan rd: top french bakeries and pastries, a bit pricey but may be the best in bangkok.

on silom> take the sky train to sala daeng: la boulange > opposite patpong 2 it's convent rd, look on the right side after the adidas shop. a very good range of french bakery but more on the budget side this time, they also have a restaurant (bistro like and inexpensive).

for after parties, there is something like 4 of them just on sukhumvit area, at least, the sukhumvit plaza roof top is one of them, but often raided by the police for them to close on time and also for drug testing ( if they ask you to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the little bottle, that's what it's for).
there is also 2 others enter soi 5 and soi 21, always full of fl, drinks are not over priced and the music is ok, one of them is at the 3rd floor and even have a separate room with pool tables, entrance 150 bht, the other one is on the ground floor and free entrance.
don't need to worry with the tuk tuk and taxi who want to bring you there, just keep in mind that they have nothing else to do at this time, so they all gather to these late closing places as people there don't stop to go in & out, but play it safe when being drunk and alone like everywhere else.

hope this help.

enjoy

yoyo

i think there are enough good places to eat in bkk, that it would fill an entire thread. lol!

at2

[Poker Man]

Just returned from a week in Bangkok and thanks to information I got from this great site, I had a wonderful time. Just wanted to share my experiences.

I was on business trip but certainly made time for fun. I checked out the various areas: Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana and definitely preferred Nana Plaza. You can find girls in all three places – either at the go-go bars or just roaming the streets. A lot of them also work the various pool halls and bars. Since I was told that most of the go-go bars are state run and controlled, I somehow felt a little better chosing girls from those places rather than trying to save a few bucks from a girl roaming the streets. I stayed at the Banyan Tree for most of the nights (due to work) which is further away, however did move to the Grande Majestic for the weekend (which is right next to Nana). The Banyan Tree is a nice 5-star hotel and I was a little nervous about bringing girls back, however, I had read on this board that hotels, including the 5 stars, specialize in "hospitality" rather than "morality" and thus there was no problem. Though the Grande Majestic was nice, I might stay at the JW Marriott next time, which looked a little nicer.

Initially, I visited several go-go bars in the 3 areas mentioned above, but found myself ending up at Rainbow 4 in Nana several times thereafter. It was quite large compared to the other bars, as it had two stages with about 120 girls (spread out over 3 shifts). I realized that the latter you arrive, the worst the selection gets. The first time, I did not arrive until after midnight, and almost all of the bars close down at 1am, thus the selection was not too great (about all that was left was what I call the “filler girls”, that is, girls who aren’t really pretty and haven’t been chosen (bar fined) since 2003 but the bar needs them up on stage to give the appearance that the stage is full so guys will come inside). Also, the weekend nights had much better selection then Mondays and Tuesdays.

In talking to the girls, the house gives them 50 baht (about $1.20 US) for each drink that is purchased for them (which is about $3 US), but does not give them any of the bar fine you have to pay to take them for the evening (usually around 600 baht). Most of the girls receive a salary of about 10,000 baht each month. I was also surprised to learn that the girls can refuse to be bar fined – not sure if that’s true but that’s what I was told.

I know that some prefer getting several girls in each night or just having sex, however, I preferred taking a girl out on the town, and have her show me around (the local scene). My advice is that you select a few girls (separately) to have a drink with you until you find one that is “in” to you (and can somewhat speak your language). After the first night, my friend and I would each select a girl early (around 10pm) and head out for a night on the town. We ended up going to several underground establishments that stay open past the 1am curfew and also got to experience the local club scene at RCA (Royal City Avenue). We went to a club called Hollywood (or Hollywood Awards) and had a great time. We would either eat at a local establishment or order room service back at the hotel. The first night, I had a gorgeous girl named Bing and we had a great time, however, she didn’t really provide a GFE (no kissing, no shower together, etc.). The second time, I had a girl named Jing (note: coincidence that the names rhyme) who provided a complete GFE. Of course, I didn’t take a large enough sample to be scientific, but I would say that the prettier ones probably are less likely to provide a total GFE.

As far as money goes, well, Bing wanted 2000 short term and 3000 to stay until morning. Since it was already 5am and she had to leave by 10am I gave her 2000 (primarily because I wanted to sleep in). Jing never asked for money – she ended up staying with me until the next afternoon – however, was very thankful when I gave her 3000 baht. I’m certain she would have been happy with much less. Keep in mind that most of these girls share a 1-bedroom apartment with 3 other girls 30 minutes from the city, so taking one back to a luxury hotel with A/C and ordering room service at 3am and again at noon is probably something they do not get to experience all the time.

One interesting moment (out of many) was when I had asked a girl to have a drink with me. She was nice and only stayed a few minutes before asking whether she could return dancing up on the stage. I thought it was strange because 1) girls hate to dance on stage and 2) the idea is to drink with me to make money and possibly have her bar fined. After bar fining another girl and walking out in front of her, I couldn’t help notice the look of shock on her face. Apparently, since I was dressed in shorts and a tee-shirt (because it was so hot out) and look like I’m 29 years old, she must have thought I had no money (e.g., backpacker) amongst the more properly dressed and much older clientele.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

[Peter Den]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restaurant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service?

Thanks for any info,

Peter

[Dinghy]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restarant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service,

Thanks for any info,

Peter

according to experts - it doesn't exist

[Praise The Loard]

Well this report is a few months (4) old but I thought I share it anyways.

Before I arrived, I tried to book at several hotels but they were all booked, guess it was high season at the time. Ended going to royal asia hotel, walkable to NEP but kind of a far hike. They had their own tuk tuk guy who dropped people off at the main street. Checked out the NEP. Went to Rainbow 2. About 5 to 8 girls on stage standing around. It was early in the night and not that crowded. Ordered a drink (125 bt) and watched the girls on stage. One in particular caught my eye, she was a hotty. Told one of the waitress there I was interested in her and she came over. She didnt talk much english but that was ok. Waitress asked if I wanted to get her a drink and I said sure. After drinks came waitress asked if I wanted to BF her. I asked how much, the BF was 600 b I think. So I agree and she went back to change and off we go, she asked where I was staying and I told her, but she never heard of it. Asked if I wanted to go upstairs but I said to go to my hotel room since its better, didnt want to pay extra $$ for the room upstairs.

We take a taxi back but taxi guy went down a road that was a dead end. He said he can do a uturn and go other way but its going to take awhile since lots of traffic, so he suggested we just hike the way back. We agree and left.

First thing we do when we got to the room is take a shower (seperately). Then we sat on the bed for a bit, was tired from walking lol, and watched some tv for about 5-10 mins. Then she asked me something in Thai, couldn't understand but when she did the hand motion , I said yes and she began to give me a cbj. She did a good job and soon we were in missionary position then doggy. It was great. We did other positions.

After we were done, I asked her if she wanted to stay the night, not sure if she understood but she said she wanted to go back so I paid her and we said goodbye. wished I could have spent more time with her but I had to fly out the next morning.

took this picture of her from my cell phone.

[Evil Penivel]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has gone to the no hand restarant. I searched the forum and did not find anything about it. Is it worth it ? How was the service,

Thanks for any info,

Peter


I have never been to a no hands restaurant, but it is by most reports a disappointing experience. Supposedly there were better variations some years ago. I have no idea if the Galaxy is still operational, but here's a link to the Web site and I've attached a photo.

Galaxy No Hands (http://www.galaxyentertainment.freeservers.com/index.html)

It's always been a concept that has appealed most to Japanese and other Asian men. I don't see the thrill in having a girl - whether fully dressed, scantily clad or buck naked - feed you. Supposedly in the old days, a girl would perform oral sex under the table while you were being fed, but that sounds truly bizarre - a blow job WHILE you are eating real food? No thanks.

Of course, if you are determined to experience no-hands dining, it can easily be arranged with just about any BG's or FLers. Just ask.

Evil

[Montecristo]

Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.



Just returned from a week in Bangkok and thanks to information I got from this great site, I had a wonderful time. Just wanted to share my experiences.

I was on business trip but certainly made time for fun. I checked out the various areas: Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana and definitely preferred Nana Plaza. You can find girls in all three places – either at the go-go bars or just roaming the streets. A lot of them also work the various pool halls and bars. Since I was told that most of the go-go bars are state run and controlled, I somehow felt a little better chosing girls from those places rather than trying to save a few bucks from a girl roaming the streets. I stayed at the Banyan Tree for most of the nights (due to work) which is further away, however did move to the Grande Majestic for the weekend (which is right next to Nana). The Banyan Tree is a nice 5-star hotel and I was a little nervous about bringing girls back, however, I had read on this board that hotels, including the 5 stars, specialize in "hospitality" rather than "morality" and thus there was no problem. Though the Grande Majestic was nice, I might stay at the JW Marriott next time, which looked a little nicer.

Initially, I visited several go-go bars in the 3 areas mentioned above, but found myself ending up at Rainbow 4 in Nana several times thereafter. It was quite large compared to the other bars, as it had two stages with about 120 girls (spread out over 3 shifts). I realized that the latter you arrive, the worst the selection gets. The first time, I did not arrive until after midnight, and almost all of the bars close down at 1am, thus the selection was not too great (about all that was left was what I call the “filler girls”, that is, girls who aren’t really pretty and haven’t been chosen (bar fined) since 2003 but the bar needs them up on stage to give the appearance that the stage is full so guys will come inside). Also, the weekend nights had much better selection then Mondays and Tuesdays.

In talking to the girls, the house gives them 50 baht (about $1.20 US) for each drink that is purchased for them (which is about $3 US), but does not give them any of the bar fine you have to pay to take them for the evening (usually around 600 baht). Most of the girls receive a salary of about 10,000 baht each month. I was also surprised to learn that the girls can refuse to be bar fined – not sure if that’s true but that’s what I was told.

I know that some prefer getting several girls in each night or just having sex, however, I preferred taking a girl out on the town, and have her show me around (the local scene). My advice is that you select a few girls (separately) to have a drink with you until you find one that is “in” to you (and can somewhat speak your language). After the first night, my friend and I would each select a girl early (around 10pm) and head out for a night on the town. We ended up going to several underground establishments that stay open past the 1am curfew and also got to experience the local club scene at RCA (Royal City Avenue). We went to a club called Hollywood (or Hollywood Awards) and had a great time. We would either eat at a local establishment or order room service back at the hotel. The first night, I had a gorgeous girl named Bing and we had a great time, however, she didn’t really provide a GFE (no kissing, no shower together, etc.). The second time, I had a girl named Jing (note: coincidence that the names rhyme) who provided a complete GFE. Of course, I didn’t take a large enough sample to be scientific, but I would say that the prettier ones probably are less likely to provide a total GFE.

As far as money goes, well, Bing wanted 2000 short term and 3000 to stay until morning. Since it was already 5am and she had to leave by 10am I gave her 2000 (primarily because I wanted to sleep in). Jing never asked for money – she ended up staying with me until the next afternoon – however, was very thankful when I gave her 3000 baht. I’m certain she would have been happy with much less. Keep in mind that most of these girls share a 1-bedroom apartment with 3 other girls 30 minutes from the city, so taking one back to a luxury hotel with A/C and ordering room service at 3am and again at noon is probably something they do not get to experience all the time.

One interesting moment (out of many) was when I had asked a girl to have a drink with me. She was nice and only stayed a few minutes before asking whether she could return dancing up on the stage. I thought it was strange because 1) girls hate to dance on stage and 2) the idea is to drink with me to make money and possibly have her bar fined. After bar fining another girl and walking out in front of her, I couldn’t help notice the look of shock on her face. Apparently, since I was dressed in shorts and a tee-shirt (because it was so hot out) and look like I’m 29 years old, she must have thought I had no money (e.g., backpacker) amongst the more properly dressed and much older clientele.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

[Evil Penivel]

Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.

He's talking about 3,000 baht for super L/T (until the afternoon). Even 3,000 baht for a Nana stunner until 10.00 a.m. would be very reasonable. Remember, he barfined the young lady at around 10.00 p.m., which means she's spending a lot of hours with him. Many, many BGs will want to leave at 6.00 a.m. or 8.00 a.m. at the latest. Alot of them have families they want or need to get back to, hence the hesitancy in even agreeing to L/T.

But Pokerman is right. If you can offer the girl something special, she's more likely to want to stay L/T because she considers the experience in and of itself compensation for her time. The breakfast buffet at a "cheap charlie" hotel isn't much of an inducement.

Evil

[Poker Man]

You certainly can pay much less if you visit one of the pool bars like Hillary or Hillary II. Street walkers can be had for as little as 500-1000 baht. I just wasn't into the street walker scene. I'm a conservative guy and prefered the sense of safety (whether real or not) that the [supposedly] state-run go go bars emit. The girls there are on salary/contracts and aren't going to do anything stupid or try and pull a fast one on ya.

Yes, it was for super long-term - we're talking until the early afternoon so you have to figure all of the different sessions that take place during all that time. Granted, some girls cant stay if they have to get home, have a family, etc. Keep in mind that very few of the girls are actually from Bangkok (I didn't meet a single one). Most are from places that are hours away and they send most of the money back home.

If you get to a place early enough and get a real hottie who's lots of fun the price can definitely be worth it.


Aren't the prices a little bit lower ?

600 bht barfine plus 3000 LT more drinks, makes this a 4.000 bht adventure which just seems too much.

[BKK Dreaming]

state-run go go bars emit. The girls there are on salary/contracts and aren't going to do anything stupid or try and pull a fast one on ya.None of the bars are "state run" , maybe they are owned by cops , but not by the state.

BD

[Wolfsheim]

Hi,

A question from a couple of Aussie's in Bangkok.

My friend (a lesbian) and I are in Bangkok, we went to Sukhumvit Road last night, went to Hollywood and some other bars.

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory, She bought a lady drink for a girl at one of the bars and they chatted for just a bit before the girl went off dancing again.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ? I know from my experience I get cuddles and sometimes kisses and lots of come ons, but my friend had nothing like that.

Any advice would be appreciated. We are in the area for about 2 weeks so if anyone wants to meet up with us then send me a private message.

[Asiandiver]

Hi,

A question from a couple of Aussie's in Bangkok.

My friend (a lesbian) and I are in Bangkok, we went to Sukhumvit Road last night, went to Hollywood and some other bars.

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory, She bought a lady drink for a girl at one of the bars and they chatted for just a bit before the girl went off dancing again.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ? I know from my experience I get cuddles and sometimes kisses and lots of come ons, but my friend had nothing like that.

Any advice would be appreciated. We are in the area for about 2 weeks so if anyone wants to meet up with us then send me a private message.I suggest that your friend tells the girl that she likes girls, not men. They will understand and if the girl she is talking to doesn't feel the same way, ask her to find a friend who does.

Cheers,

AsianDiver

[Retired Army]

Hi,

Are there any good clubs which cater well to lesbians, she's a pretty 21 year old so and not into butch girls, but her experience last night was less than satisfactory.

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Lesbianism is not widely accepted in Thailand and Thai girls are going to feel uncomfortable with it in public. There used to be some ladies in the Huntsman's Pub that catered to couples and women in particular. If they are still there, I don't know because I haven't been there for a while.

Your friend shouldn't expect anything when she buys a lady drink. Remember, Thailand caters to men.

[Duniawala]

This one does women. This pix dates from 2004, however, she does come once in a while to Thermae about 10-11 pm.

[Evil Penivel]

What should my friend expect when she buys a lady drink ?

Most of the bars will have a girl or two who "does" women. But it is best to ask the mamasan, or least one of the girls, about it up front, as suggested earlier. It's unusual, but certainly not unknown, for a farang girl to go to a gogo or FL bar in the company of a male farang. The TGs won't assume the farang lady is looking for a sexual experience, as most farang women just go to a bar to be able to say they/ve been.

Evil

[Brain666]

Remark/ Warning: This is not a porn script, but rather a long report about me in Bangkok, so be prepared to read some time about my impressions, right as experienced incl. feelings etc. if you are interested. If it is to boring, which might be the case for some of you, then just leave it. There might be several reports like this, but this is how I experienced Bangkok as an individual.

Before I start with my Bangkok adventures I want to say, that this is my first tip to Thailand and Bangkok, even if I am already in the ‘second half of the middle aged’ visitors.
Mongering wise I am quite some experienced and I come around in the world, mostly for business. I prefer to add some (privately financed, never cheat my company) erotic toppings when the business is finished and if occasion is there. Not a must for hunt, but opportunities are taken.

Now to Bangkok where I could almost stay 1 week just for holiday. Like a business trip preparation I was deeply RTFF and made a plan of many places I wanted to visit. I can say in advance that I didn’t cover either half of that what I had in mind, mostly because my body does not allow to produce shots every 3 hours over the whole day, and also because the LT girls tended to stay longer as expected, which increased the No. of sessions/ girl rather then the total number of girls. I come up with an analysis of this.
I envy Asien Traveler 2, whose report shows how efficient he uses his 5 nights in Bangkok to cover a huge schedule. I couldn’t manage it that way even if my plan was similarity ambitious.

Day 1 Thursday night: Arrival and first night

Lets start: Arrival was 23:45h last July Thursday night. A long way to walk in this airport until you reach immigration. That was quickly done (< 10 minutes) and within minutes I had my suit case to breath first Bangkok air. Less humid and less temperature then I expected.
Taxi stand (no cuing) with metered and controlled process (+ 50 Baht). The driver didn’t ask for Expressway. Road was anyhow almost empty.

I had booked Livingstone’s at Sukhumvit, Soi 33, well known in this forum (Giotto’s thread is all about Livingstone’s). Taxi driver found the road of course (gave him the printed map from the website), but not Livingstone’s, we passed all along and only on return we saw the entrance. Ok, I was welcomed by Giudo and I got the famous Room 115 with the double Jacuzzi. (special about hotel will be added in the hotel thread). Suit case was put up and as it was already 1:00h, I headed down to do a first inspection.
My condition: I was almost completely on sleep, as I didn’t sleep more then 4h totally the last 2 nights due to working and suit case packing, also started to head the plane directly from work. So not the condition to have a companion this night, if I wanted to be ok tomorrow.

Bar was almost closed, but I could still get 2 beers, some girls were leaving. An Aussie guy and a Livingstone’s girl jumped in the pool. Outside was only one girl left, named Fon (very very cute), who started some of the typical basic conversation. While talking (yes she speaks English, but not so fluent). The others finished swimming, so what to do? The Aussie friend wanted to pick some food. The girls said that they are not allowed to go outside with customers without being barfined (house rules). Ok, so barfine. Fon said hastily to me, if I would consider sex, that she can’t do tonight (good girl, to make that clear before the barfine!), so probably tired, monthly day’s, I am the wrong one, or whatever. I said it’s ok for me, I am tired too, but barfine and no sex ok.
The girls went with us just outside to one of the street vendors. I like this atmosphere, had to avoid it in India and was a bit concerned about the typical things, like ice cubes etc, what we westerners are usually warned of. But tried the food which was some warm staff and a hot Isan salad + other small dishes. Generously I offered to pay for all 4, which was just 160 Baht in total. So back to the hotel ‘long time’. Me and Fon both just slipped under the cover and fell asleep immediately at about 3:30h.
The next morning, better 4h later, waking (a bit) up, I would have been ready for some action seeing the nice body next to me. But she continued sleeping until about 9:00h when she started to leave. I didn’t do an intensive try to change her opinion about sex. The day was mine anyhow.

Day 2 – Friday - The exercise can begin

Stayed in bed for more time and went to breakfast 11:30h. At 14:00h went to buy sky train pre paid card and moved to nana station to pass nana plaza and head to my first target this day: Annie’s Massage. Annie’s Massage had mixed reviews positive an non positive, but it was rather often mentioned, so I wanted to give it a try. Passed nana plaza, easily found Annie’s on Soi 4, but first headed to a German type restaurant right next to the parking lot to drink a beer there.

Katoey alarm:
In this restaurant, half my beer down, I was approached by a woman which I thought was a eastern European one, but she said she is Thai. While speaking, I was not attracted at all by her and still wondering how strange a Thai could look like, suddenly I noticed some other signs. Voice a bit dark, some hair around, even if she wanted to put her for sure silicon tits into my sight, suddenly my internal bell rung: Katoey alarm (!!). I am almost sure, ‘she’ was a katoey, but even as a woman, ‘she’ was far away of what my taste is, so I finished the beer quickly and left the restaurant. Brrrr, lucky wise I kept ‘her’ on distance all the time anyways. Asked even for a tip! For what? Annoying me? Didn’t ask her to come over either. Headed to Annie’s now to let rub down the rest of breath by some real girl.

Annie’s:
As said many mixed reviews here. Went in and there was the fishbowl filled, but quality was not in the way that I could choose from a huge range of my favourite taste. Chose a slimmer but taller one as best close to my taste and off we went to the room. Room is not really fancy, but similar as I know from Korean Anma’s. The girl Miss A was older then in appeared in this fishbowl, but ok for me due to her figure. Rating: Face 7, Body 8. She started with washing me and then moved to the bed for a massage. The soapie experience was not there and she seemed to expect that I just want to fuck, as probably many customers do. But she did a massage, which was pretty good after my previous stress days. We then went to the intercourse starting with a BBBJ. Would rate the BBBJ as a 7,5-8, yes experienced and not bad, but I had better ones, but also somehow in the range I expected, cant always expect to hit a new BBBJ high score. We changed to fucking (covered of course) with several positions. In total a long session, having skipped the soapie, but it took a long time until I could come, but finally managed. The fucking was about a 7,5 as well. Then shower again and clothes on. Gave her a 500 B tip, but she looked a bit disappointed, saying no 1000? I said 500B ok and she guided me out. The girls had their brake time.

Nana Plaza walk through:
As just nearby I walked through Nana Plaza from around 6:30h. Had a completely different imagination about the Famous Nana Plaza in size as well as style. Thought it is in a closed building, 3 floors full of bars. But actually (ok newbie) it’s a court yard, in the middle open air and on the side 3 floors (incl. Ground) ‘ranking’. Looked much run down the place, not being dark yet. Walked around the 1st and 2nd floors. All the bars and GoGo spots seemed so small compared to my imagination before. In my thoughts I have studied previous maps and thought they are about 3-5 times bigger then they are. Ok, I walked through Nana Plaza. It was not so busy inside any of the bars at this time (Friday 18;30h, maybe start of business), only the beer bars at the entrance and some on the ground floor have been somehow (50-60% occupation) busy by farangs, Asian tourists and of course girls. Didn’t want to settle, because I was hungry and wanted to combine that with a check of the famous Beergarden at Soi 7.

Beergrarden Soi 7 and FL pickup.

So first time beergarden for me: Don’t know the old place and the atmosphere there, but for somebody who only knows the new style, it’s just fine this place. At 7:00h the place was packed with about 40% male and 60% female. Hard to get a place at one of the counters. Didn’t want to sit on the tables beside. But managed. The Female quality is mixed and many of them are not at all from any interest. But due to the huge total number of girls you also find the good looking ones of your taste. Had western style German type of food and local Shinga beer. Very reasonable price for all. Had some talk with some fellow mongers and sometimes some eye contact to a girl on the side until they left. The girl took the opportunity of free space, moved over and of course we started the typical chit chat. Call her Miss B. Miss B was a ‘slim + 3 kg’ well shaped FL using the beergarden as hunting ground after her work in a shirt factory (9000 Baht/ Month) to gain some additional money for continuing university. English was very good. She said she is doing that since about 2 months, but not so much success as there are too many girls there doing similar. She was a 8-8.5 in body style and 8 in face, 1,63 m tall. I was attracted by her boobs nicely packed and promising, but still decent. Kind of vibration going out of them, at least my body member reacted to them. Nice talk and figured there is some more brain behind. Discussed conditions. As she had to work tomorrow, we agreed extended ST up to about 24:00h- 1:00h at night. After my request for pricing she asked for 2000 and I said lets say 1500 + taxi money and eventually tip. Ok done deal, she was happy with that.

FL Miss B session.

We headed with Taxi to Livingstone’s which is about 50 Baht (Soi 7->33) in the 20:00h traffic. Jacuzzi was only providing cold water, grrrrr, but we showered and due to the cold water the towel handling got somehow funny, as I explained how I dried my kids some years ago and that I learned that ladies like it the same way either. Much fun in the beginning which created a good atmosphere. We slipped under the cover, which was revealed quickly again, as she had fantastic natural boobs (see photo), full my taste (even if I can also live with very small ones). As ‘usual?’ I invested some attention to the girl, which I almost always get returned by a factor of 5-10 in better ‘services’, so my ‘global’ experience. She liked my treatment and felt ‘little noisy comfortable’. She then continued with a BBBJ, but this was rather not very ‘professional’ (so new in the business seemed to be rather true), so I put on the condom quickly to proceed with the intercourse. This I liked as well as she did. We did a lot of positions with a lot of laughing in between as well, so in the sense of who knows what and who failed where some time ago and also changing attention. Real Fun. It lasted a long time also incl. some break to drink something and then continue.
She came minimum 1 time, probably even 2 times. Still had some problem to come myself, but at the end I was successful. Good session, even if the blowjob was rather unprofessional. But that’s freelancer’s risk, and everything else was perfect with Miss B.
It was still 23:30h, but didn’t want to use the whole agreed time, to be able to find somebody for the night. So we took shower and I said thank you to Miss B. I added 500 B to the 1500, so she had her originally 2000 B. Ok for me. Miss B said that she enjoyed the session and that it was better then with her previous boyfriend and anyhow any customer so far, and she feel ashamed to take money for something she enjoyed herself as well. I said my service to her was complimentary so she shouldn’t worry. So we left with some good bye kisses.

Soi Cowboy and GoGo girls.

Time to see GoGo bars for my first time and to probably pick somebody for the night, even if I am already rather exhausted from the day, having finished the long session with Miss B.
Taxi just the minimum of 35 Baht from Soi 33 through the back alleys. First time Soi Cowboy. One street full of narrow bars. From my Nana experience I didn’t expect any ‘big’ bars anymore, all are more ‘slots’ with 2-3 seating rows around a stage where the girls were dancing. First try was Suzi Wong which was on a Rating I have found here in ISG more on the upper side. Full nude dancing there from time to time. Had a beer, spent some lady drink and had some talk with mama-san about further options. Almost all girls nicely shaped to my taste. The majority is very slim with smaller breasts and if there are deviations then they are rather more skinny then ‘meaty’. Asked mama-san about closing time and she said between 1:30 and 2:00h. I ‘promised to come back and headed to the next bar: Shark.
Shark has a similar range of girls as Suzie Wong, but no fully nude dancing, but you see a bit trough the dress. Titties and some hair look trough. Pretty nice atmosphere there, girls not so pushy, but of course they appreciated a lady drink. If you don’t want to do this, just watch the stage and don’t do an eye contact. But prices with 110 for beer and 90 for lady drink is not rather that high to sit there alone. Anyhow I like to communicate, so no issue for me to spend some Lady drink. Girls by the way can choose, what as they want. Many drink Gin-Tonic and Cola Cognac etc., which they easily gave me to try when I asked what they have in their glas. So nothing with this small Coke glasses I have heard in this forum (maybe Nana special).

Suddenly at 1:10 the music was turned off and the lights went on. I was told, today was police control, so no overtime possible. They probably have their alarm system. The bar went immediately into clean up mode and the girls started to dress. So what to do now?
I very slowly finished my glass and watched the scenery. Nobody rushed me. Outside then I joined 2 girls Miss S and Miss V, I chatted with a bit before. With now Jeans instead of the gogo dress they looked different. One was my type from the attitude, very slim if not rather skinny. So she asked they are picking some food, if I want to join. I said yes and we went just around to the street ‘coffee’ in the corner Soi 21/ Sukumvit. There we spent more then 2 hours chatting and talking about life, opinions etc.. Very nice talk with some inside info from gogo girls. Miss S and I notified that we liked each other somehow. Maybe we had a total of about 12-15 drinks for 3 and the girls picked sometimes somewhere some food from some vendor. A total of 1000 Baht that I paid. I finally (it was almost 4:00h already) asked my favorite, that I like her and if she would come with me to my room. She said yes, but her friend doesn’t know where to go now. So I said they can join us both. No price agreed before. Before we had the theme how bargirls like money and she said depending on customer. If she likes someone its up to him and even non would be ok she said in that previous talk, but anyhow later I would give her money.

GoGo Girl Miss S session.
This description will be a bit more detailed regarding the erotics, because of the extraordinary eruptive event happened to the girl.
We headed to Livingstone’s by taxi. In the room they took a smoke first (no sooo much appreciated by me). My girl Miss S took a shower, and I myself separately too, both wrapping in towles. Her friend Miss V said that she would wait in the bathroom for some time. Miss S and I both headed into the bed and unwrapped our towels. We had some more talk, some funny joke and slowly we narrowed by kissing and some more skin touch. I was first in providing some service. Good decision, as he got rather turned on. She was a good kisser and liked some body eating, better to be body eaten. This got wilder and wilder and without any blow job we got rather hot. I entered her, not to forget to put on the condom before. Sex enjoyed and already came once, not faking I think. She got rather wet from our course with many positions and I had problems to come. It took a long time, but I couldn’t. She still enjoyed, but I still couldn’t come. Too much over the day and too naturally lubricated. Her fiend Miss V finally wanted to come out and we took a break. Miss S started to sleep, while her friend sat beside me and started to handjobb my dick, which seemed to be in agreement between the both girls. She tried quite a while, but gave up.

I noticed that something was wrong with Miss S. She didn’t say what, said ‘nothing’ and moved to the bathroom. Came out sat in the chair beside with clothes on. Still not in good mute. When girls say ‘nothing’, but have this special face, where you see the brain working inside brrr !. I thought that is the end of the session anyhow, put on clothes and checked her in the chair to find out what is. I could finally ‘pull out of her nose’ that that she didn’t like her friend to take care of me and I agreed to that.
Jealousy drama at 6:00h in the morning! I sat beside her, talked to her, kissed her and told her that I like her and not her friend; some tears were dropping down her eyes. I suggested bringing her friend to taxi and ‘please staying with me’. Such a nice guy I am- to be honest, I liked her really.

She finally agreed and we all went down and put her friend in a taxi. Miss S and me back to the room, she slipped under the cover without removing clothes and started to sleep. Ok girl ok for me, I took off except underpants and started to sleep too. Slept about 2 hours when I felt her ‘wrapping around me’. The wrapping continued with kissing, she aroused and soon we pulled off all clothes. I started to kiss her again, piece by piece; she got more and more aroused, heart beating. I was now completely eating her; everything I ‘eat’ was more and more getting her exiting. DFK, DATY all around eating the whole skinny body. Hard to keep track on condom use, but managed, put on and entered while continuing ‘eating her’. She was already in orgasm mode and probably already came, when she suddenly rather exploded under me. Body hot and sweaty, pulse extremely high, pussy juice overflowing everything. Kind of Hyper mode, or how to say. This lasted about almost 10 minutes in kind of eruptive explosions and I was already afraid the might die here – and the news reporting ’farang fucked Thai girl to death’. I couldn’t come at all, tooooo wet and to afraid. When she came down she wrapped around me again, kissed me like hell and then finally started sleeping.

I was ko. as well. So we had about 3-4h sleep until about 13:30h. She waked me up with a lucky face, wrapped around me again and started to kiss and fuck me again. Another enjoying session, but without the eruptive explosions as before. She had a lucky sleepy, lucky sleepy mode the next hour. She said that she might never be able to repeat that again, doesn’t know how it happened etc., but looked at me with big eyes, not stopping to ‘wrap’ around me.
At the end we finished our session around 16:30h. She looked at me with big eyes, gave her Phone number and asked to please, please call her. I gave her 3000 in her jeans pocket, she didn’t know how much, didn’t count and just said thank you, you gave me a great time! Shouldn’t better I say better say this words? Ok a big thank you from my side, I brought her to taxi, she finally left, but probably she would have liked to still stay.

Done! I was exhausted, no way to do anything different, then to rest. Tonight would be Livingstone’s Pool Party so I would ‘stay at that home’.

To be continued with part 2

Brain666

Photos: Sorry no faces and only little Nudity
Miss B incl Rack.
Miss S the explosive Gogo Highly concentrated skinny dynamite – I like her
Annies: Some inside shots of the massage parlor

[Brain666]

day 3 saturday (evening): livingstone’s pool party

they said, they start 19:00h. there were some snacks served as part of anew menu card from guido, very tasty. due to heat i spent some time in the sports bar, having suddenly 3 ladies around. ok nice as i am i spent all ladies drinks. later went out sitting with some of the team outside to watch the show. it started with travesty show, rather nice, but travesties are not my case of course. then two dancers fon + tact made an increadible dance show. nice bodies in move.
i was talking to 2 girls, one fond an old customer. later i checked the bar again, found the lady there with a unhappy face. took her to my chair outside. her customer had hooked up with another lady. she was nice. she told me something that she cant go to hotel outside. so i understood, hotel inside = livingstone’s ok. damn english, when it is foreign language for both. she had a rolling accent and i didn’t want to ask 5 times the same.
so i concentrated on her and at the end (about 23:30h) wanted to barfine her. result: can’t barfine her. she is one of the ladies who has a deep relation, who don’t go with cutomers to rooms. so my misunderstanding, she said it, but i interpreted in my sense! shit. the other girl on the table would have been happy to go with me, but she wasn’t my taste. many livingstone’s ladies have been already barfined and i didn’t want to start another ‘selection’ in the sports bar.

so still time to go to gogo bars, when they close at 1:30-2:00h (if not police check).

soi cowboy gogo girl the 2nd

went to soi cowboy again, looked if miss s was there in sharks, but couldn’t find. friend said, she didn’t work today (ok after our session, but also could be barfined already). so left sharks and went to long gun gogo bar, getting the best ratings. no wonder why! fully nude show and also topless. but they had also special dance shows where 2 girls made an excellence strip performance. they moved their bodies everywhere, jumped to the sealing, slowly sliding down the racks, jumped up and down etc. (can’t describe). great show and nice shaped girls. guess they get much more money, and probably not available, but didn’t ask.

i enjoyed the show and was sitting directly at the stage. looked around to some girl and somewhere in some corner 2 were chatting and the one i liked i looked at 2 times. not long until she came over. she was very slim, (as a typical gogo), but not as skinny as my last night adventure. name her miss g. english surprisingly good. i spent lady drink and she was sitting very close to me. nice body. rating 8,5-9. it was towards the end and they switched on light, when i asked her if she had time to go long time with me. she said yes, but would need to leave about 8:00h next morning. it was ok for me. offered 2500 baht, which was ok for her (probably 2000 would have been ok for her as well). but i had still to pay the 500 barfine. so paid everything. shortly later she was ready to go and we headed to a taxi, after she declined that she was hungry.

so arrived at livingstone’s around 2 and filled the jacuzzi. the jacuzzi is really liked by girls and mine was a double one. she has never seen such a thing and immediately dropped her clothes, took a shower sealed the bottom with the peg and enjoyed the water running in. even if it takes some time. i joined of course, she cleaned me with shower gel and as soon as the water level reached the nozzles we switched the jacuzzi on and she enjoyed the bubbling water. bubble were growing from the shower geel pressed through the nozzles. she enjoyed like a kid, but didn’t forget to kiss me dfk and my skin and my dick. naked she was a clear 9 for my taste if you like slim ladies and are ok with b-cups. after maybe ½ h in the bubbling water we dried up (my kiddy drying up method enjoyed her as well) and went to bed. having her in a good mute i started kissing her all over ending in a 5 min daty session. she obviously enjoyed and tried to come, but probably couldn’t. she then took the initiative and started a bbbj which was in the upper range but not the best of my life. she then asked me to come into her and for condom, which was already prepared. she was awaiting me obviously. i don’t go in more details, but we had an extensive session in various positions covering all sides. she was very energetic and tried to come, so as me, but both we couldn’t. i proposed ‘ lets sleep’ and skipped the rest for the morning. she wanted to sleep now, i would have given her enough room, but she wanted to be wrapped around me. around 7:30 she waked me up with a kiss and toutch on my dick and indicated to continue. this was probably more for me then for her as she wanted to leave. so we did another round and i could come in that. less energetic as in the night, but satisfying.

she said 100x sorry that she had to leave and we both dressed. she asked me to visit her again and she would arrange that she can stay longer next time. she said she does hard in coming herself and with me she would see a chance to achieve, but she needs much time. therefore if i give her an advanced notice she will arrange not to go back before the next afternoon ‘i love you’. phhh, this sounded rather honest in the scenery and not only a scam to get the customer again. i said ok good idea, i would call her in advance next time. i gave her the 2.500 baht + 300 taxi money.

overall a nice girl and again somebody who seemed to enjoy herself as well. this was no scam. i don’t understand why some people here describe the gogo girls recently as not so compliant anymore and selfish. my 2 examples have been both great experiences. i can only say so far: i like gogo girls.


day 4 sunday: the sick farang and the nurse from livingstone’s stable

after my gogo girl miss g had left, i continued sleeping until noon, took my breakfast and slept again. did not feel 100% ok. probably cached cold due to temperature changes between airon/ outside and several naked nights also often with aircon on.
so quite day which i only used to have a round in the luxury temple emporium only 7 minutes walk from livingstone’s. anyhow my today’s schedule should bring me some experience with the ladies from livingstone’s, where various talents and shapes are available.

i already issued a report about this single day so the link below will bring you through day 4 and night.

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day 5 – monday: the second night with my nurse

so after that night and the following afternoon described above, i still felt not 100% ok, so i decided to skip other activities and simply stay at the livingstone’s. plenty of girls around anyhow.
the story of my nightly sickness and my nurse has probably gone around in the stable. all girls seemed to know, but i realized that my reputation has also grown. some of the girls send a message like ‘i know what happened to you last night, i could do the same’.
nevertheless as a kind of thank you i invited my late night girl muk for dinner and she was joined by a friend and mama-san of the stable. mama-san by the way is a beauty herself. have a nice foto from her, but will only share it with herself. sorry guys. anyhow we had a great diner, i had a salad and the girls ordered 2 different fresh fish. a very very tasty meal. you can eat delicious in livingstone’s.

i barfined my nurse muk again and at 22:00h we have been in the room. she disappeared for half an hour and came back with some multi fruits juice, milk and some fiber powder. almost a little bit to much nurse now, but ok.
i felt much better, we had another session in the jacuzzi and over night we had 2 more rounds of sex. as i said in the first post, muk is not only a nurse, it’s also fun to have sex with her.
anyhow by all nursery – good and enjoyable sessions.
after the next morning we had breakfast together and she left around 13:00h. she had indicated the night before that she didn’t want any money this time, but i said to her friend translating, that this will be ‘up to me’. so when she left i gave her 2500 baht ‘for her expenses she did for me’ as i said. i think this was the right path.

puh time to change girls

day 6 - tuesday: freelance no. 2 miss o.

cant stay the whole week with my nurse, she gets probably to much used to it, so time to change to a new girl. that’s why i came here to thailand, to change girls sometimes.
had to do some work for the company (sh..), but my original schedule with 2-3 sessions a day, i can’t stay anyhow anymore. also didn’t want to fall back to sickness with to much stress.
so decided to walk around and also passed beergarden for some german ‘schnitzel’ and of course to start carefully with beer again.
placed myself on a free spot just opposite to a cutie who looked a bit different. right choice. she looked shy, but we came into talk after some time. name: miss o. miss o turned out to be an occasional freelancer hunting a bit secretly from her family. her 2 sisters are both married to german guys. she is supported by one sister, but would also like to have a have a farang/ german guy as a long term target. she was really nice and honest, not playing any games. she makes some money in thailand and as well singapore taking care of farang kids which she says is 5 times more paid then a factory job. never the less sometimes she goes for some extra money, as well in bangkok and also singapore. honest girl, nice attitude, well educated, very good english skills, there is brain behind, and she knows exactly what she does. she also seems to have some lesbian friends from europe. interesting what clientele you can meet on the freelancer scene. anyhow, decided to take her for the night. didn’t agree any price. took a taxi to livingstone’s around 22:00h.
the jacuzzi was again the valuable asset in my hotel room. she was not shy at all, the first girl which did not wrap immediately in a towel when dressing up: my rating : 8, see pictures below. after the bath she started actively with a blow job and more. this seemed to be to much on schedule and mechanics first.

so i had to stop her and give her some attention first. this she was probably not used to much, she started better breathing felt enjoying. we laughed and she enjoyed her own body suddenly. after that she was much more natural, it was then like girlfriend with boyfriend love, no more mechanical attitude, she was actively kissing and we had that what both side enjoyable sex is. great and long session after ‘i turned her around’. we went to sleep and again the girl was wrapping around me, wanted to keep in touch and snored (not annoying) like a young cat.

is this ‘wrap around’ a thai special, or does it only happen when they feel comfortable.

we had another round in the morning, initiated by her, but it was difficult to come for me again. anyhow the round was rather extended until i gave up. we both went down to breakfast beside livingstone’s pool. then came up again, did some more and at around 14:00h she left on my initiative. she would have liked to spend the whole day and probably more with me and show me around in the whole city, but i had the eden club on my secret schedule, so for some excuse to need to work i have let her go.
as she is intelligent, i will use her as a guide next time. gave her 2000+ 500 taxi money and tip.

day 7 wednesday: eden club and again gogo miss s

wednesday to thursday will be my last night in livingstone’s, so my girl for the night must be chose wisely.

however even if it has mixed review. i can’t leave bangkok without an own experience in the famous eden club with the 2 girl session.
i went to soi 7 first to eat something. lot of freelancers, but just eat and then headed to soi 7/1 to eden.

eden experience:
eden is easy to find at soi 7/1. some girls hang outside and some are inside.
went inside and was greeted by mar. asked me if i know eden. so i said i know eden from many reports from the internet, but he said he will explain the concept again.
ok concept is clear for every body i think. so he called for the lineup.

only 3 girls on the left side of the yellow line (anal), but not my taste. on the right side there were about 12 girls at wednesday 18:00h. one cutie caught my eye and i selected her:
lak no. 25. she picked nid no. 13. went up the elevator to the room. rooms not really big, but ok for the things that happen here. lak was a 9 in my eyes, had a nice face and phantastic breast. either natural or done by an expert. just right sized. nid was a 7,5- 8 (more 8) and also nice.
they started with the process: intensive washing, massage and blowjobs from both. they did the lesbian, i got sucked while they did the lesbian and then we had several fucking rounds with both girls. impossible to write down a sequence.
lak and nid harmonized best with each other. they really wanted to please me. the session was less pornographic as it was described by others, maybe the team was softer, but both very customer oriented and willing to please. an unbelievable amount o condoms was used. many times changed position and girl. it is really a great feel ‘getting serviced’ with 2 girls. what a great country this is thailand. i as an middle aged guy can have a nice round with 2 young girls and they do it in a way that has nothing to do with mechanics and boring. i really enjoyed and at the end i came 2 times (1 cim 1 loaded in a condom), even if the second was hard job. we used the time until somebody knocked the door.
i went down and spend both girls a drink. they attached to be and i was kissed in the middle of the bar. had to tell marc (who said, i can pay later, as it would be free of charge if i wouldn’t be satisfied), that i couldn’t find anything justifying not to pay. so i paid of course.

so i clearly recommend the team i had: select lak- no.25, she might pick nid = no. 13 then. a great team.

after that session, i was really exhausted. decided to go to soi cowboy to meet my highly explosive dynamite miss s again and probably barfine her.

went straight to sharks and looked for her. set down and soon after she found me and had a big smile. sat first next to me but had to leave for dancing before i could offer a lady drink. she danced and another girl came to me. dance took longer and i offered the other girl a lady drink. lady drink came. she said thank you and pointed to kiss on the cheek. while approaching the cheek, she turned her face in tha last moment and my kiss landed directly on her moth and she did a big smile. miss b came back from dancing and i pointed to the girl to let her next to me. but she made a ‘sulky’ face. my jealousy rocket saw the kiss and i had to explain how it happened. told her to pick a lady drink as well, i kissed her said nice words, explained why i had no time the last days (the truth: i was sick!!) and asked if she would allow me to barfine her if she wasn’t to upset. she allowed and we barfined immediately.

asked her if she if hungry, as it was just 21:30h. she said a little and we headed to a taxi and she guided it to somewhere soi 20/22. some hotel or serviced resident near by. it was a restaurant/ pool bar where some of her friends hang out and also the woman owner is a friend. expat and local meeting point, more basic then upscale.
no alarm, she is a nice girl. there was western and thai food available (thai from next door). she ordered 2 thai dishes (total 220 baht) and we had some drinks why she enjoyed playing pool with some of her friends. she was obviously lucky and i was kind of new boyfriend. like to hang out with a girl and a clique from next door, just much prettier the girls. had some drinks (5-6?) and all summed up to the ‘huge’ amount of 300 baht. after so much enjoy she asked to leave and we headed to livingstone’s. did some sex but before she turned on we both decided to first take a sleep (which was good for me, as i couldn’t tell her by her jealousy that i had just 2 shots dropped in eden).
as usual she wrapped around me by much kisses, but we slept soon.

day 8 thursday: day to leave this lovely country and their lovely ladies.

a long night. probably not before 9 i was waked up by some kissing. we took a jacuzzi round and continued with en energetic fucking round in the bed. again great for both of us, not the explosion of the last time, but she and i as well enjoyed the sex. continued by sleeping and continued by sex and continued by sleeping. missed the breakfast. took of from livingstone’s again around 16:00h. gave her 2500 baht (just put it in her jeans). went to ‘empty’ soi cowboy for some chat with her friend until i said good buy as i had to pack my suitcase for tonight.

[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s blow job bar

of course didn’t go back directly. passed by at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s to try out the blow joib bar. as i was rather empty anyhow, it was more ore less useless and the girl didn’t achieve it. it was also not my world, even if she tried hard. but clearly: [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s isn’t something for me, but eden is!

closure and good buy

so headed back to livingstone’s, packed my suitcase and ordered a tenderloin steak before i left. delicious steak, you can eat great food in livingstone’s.
had a chat with giotto and guido about this and that. felt really great in livingstones.

went out with giotto once around soi 33. he was ready to show me some more at other days and we agreed that i call him, but always when it was time, i was already in deep negotiation with some girls. next time.

comments about livingstones in hotel esction.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494737&postcount=2687


it was time to drop myself to the airport. did that by stopping buy at soi cowboy, barfining miss s again and took her with me to the airport (but not further!!!! to be clear!!!). she was extremely happy. told her in the bar, to be ready in 3 minutes as it was late and she made it! any how liked her, my explosive dynamite shark gogo girl miss s. of course she got some taxi money to come back home.
unfortunately my time was over and my economy flight back to seoul waited for me.
tooooooooo bad.

but it will not be that last time, that’s for sure. expat money allows some extra trip, especially if i calculate a ‘ business case’ with expensive, but less enjoyable mongering in korea. it’s more a matter of finding the right time.

regarding the thai girls i am rather impressed.
see my resume in the thai woman, opinions and advise section.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494733&postcount=3115

regards and you will here from me again here in this board.
i envoy all staying expats here in thailand!
i had great holidays.

brain666

pictures: miss g gogo girl
miss o nice girl

[Wolfsheim]

I posted a couple of days ago explaining that my friend ( a lesbian ) had difficulty the first time we went to some go-go bars.

Well we tried a new tactic. She sat in the front row and I sat a row behind her while watching the dancers. This worked! My friend had girls all over her and eventually went off for ST with a very nice thai girl. Rating was apparently Looks: 8/9 and Sex was a mindblowing 10. The girl was so into my friend that she stayed with her in the bar afterward for the rest of the night and even exchanged numbers...

So everyone, it is possible for a lesbian to have a great time in Bangkok and my friend came home to our guesthouse last night a very happy girl!

Tonight I am taking a gorgeous 21 year old for LT from 7pm to 9am in the morning for 2500 baht + 600 barfine.. I'll file a report and hopefully pictures tomorrow.

We're having a ball in Thailand and can't wait to get to Cambodia and Vietnam. Just a tip guys, it's not all about the sex, enjoy the rest of what each country has to offer... a good mix of tourism and sex tourism works well and you will feel satisfied that you saw another country when you get home.

[Wolfsheim]

Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Retired Army]

Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


Anyone know of any places? I didn't think you could pick up girls in Thailand? Certainly not in the Sukhumvit area. Wolfsheim would have to go to one of the "tourist" arears for that. And as we all know there are no tourists or girls around Sukhumvit.

[Brain666]

Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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As retired army said already in polite and hidden way.

The smallest no of girls around Sukhumvit are Go Go girls.
Girls are around everywhere. In bars or not. No need to point a specific bar. You even don't need to find them.They will find you for sure!

regards
Brain666

[Praise The Loard]

Brain666,

I enjoyed reading your report, it provided good detail. About Annies, they let you bring a camera in?

[AsiaTraveler2]

Can anyone reccomend some bars or clubs around Sukhumvit where it is possible to pick up girls other than at go go bars?

I have heard someone mention Hillary I and II, what's the go there?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Wolfsheim,

It seems you are enjoying your stay in BKK and based on your revelations about a lesbian being able to find action and the question above, it's clear you are a newbie to BKK. Whether you are straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, a lady boy, whatever, you will find action. What you have not picked up on is that almost any bar (go-go, pool bar, J-Bar, Sports Bar, Karaoke Bar, etc.) has a bar fine option. Generally around 500-600 baht. All of the girls are available, and that is why some board members will be "stunned" by your question. The waitresses, girls sitting around the bar or playing pool with the customers, etc. are there for the asking.

Do not take offense to some of the replies. Many have been in the BKK scene so long, they forgot what it was like the first time. To put your question in perspective, it was like being stranded on a tiny tiny tiny island in the middle of the Pacific ocean and asking where I can find salt water! lol!

I have picked up girls from Hillary I and II. I picked up a few in the internet cafes (free lancers). There are take out options at many of the massage places (foot, oil, etc.). You can go to the soapies for a true BKK experience. Some guys have even met hotel staff during their off hours, but please be very discreet if you are going to attempt this. You could get them fired. Obviously you would need to meet up at some other hotel where they do not work and make sure no one sees the initial discussion.

There are by various counts somewhere between 30,000 to 100,000 girls available for pickup in Thailand. Many of them are in BKK. That is why the thud you heard was the BKK veterans falling over when you posed your question. Just smile and if they smile back, make your move and find out if they work for the bar. If not, they are a free lancer. That simple.

Here's a short list, which represents about .000001% of the places you can go:

Angels Nana disco
Nana car park
Beer Garden Suk Soi 7
Absolute 7 bar Suk Soi 7/1
Gullivers Tavern Suk Soi 5
Spasso Disco at Grand Hyatt Hotel
Rivas at Sheraton Grand Hotel
Q Bar Suk Soi 11
Narcisus Suk Soi 23
Fuse Suk Soi 24
Concept CM2 at Siam Square Soi 6
Bed Supper Club Suk Soi 11
Livingstones pool parties Suk Soi 33
Eden Club (specializes in threesomes)
Thermae Suk Soi 15
RCA (Royal City Avenue) - It's an entertainment district
All Nana area bars including the Hillary I and II pool bars.

Every Soi between Nana and Soi 33 are loaded with bars, pubs, coffee shops, etc. for pickup. In addition to the Nana go-go's, there are go-go bars and other bars in Soi Cowboy and Patpong. Very easy to get to on the BTS or via taxi. Enjoy!

Please do contribute your experiences, especially if you take a chance at one of the lessor known hole in the wall bars. They never get any air time on these threads.

AT2

[Syphonoid]

bamboo beer bar opposite the Grace Hotel has more than the occassional freelancer, head down to near Siam Square and hang out. There are so many little bars where you can find a gem. Go into a bar if it doesnt do anything for you then move on to the next, then the next, then the next.

[Brain666]

Brain666,

I enjoyed reading your report, it provided good detail. About Annies, they let you bring a camera in?
Of corse I didn't show the camera openly and it was compact one (Canon Ixus 800iX) . Don't think that they check your pocket.
I asked the girl ans she agreed. Of course I would never show her face.
And I didn't ask for nude shots.

regards

Brain666

[Syphonoid]

there are heaps of bars where you can meet more than just go go girls - Head down toward Siam Square - Hard Rock Cafe, also head down towards Ekamai, there is a lot of choice even the bamboo beer bar across from the Grace Hotel, the waitresses at the Busstop in Soi 4, of course if you wander in and nothing takes your fancy then move on.

[Tiger 888]

Or just sit down in one of the street restaurants after 2 am on Sukhumvit and watch the people (girls) passing by.

Some of them even have bar fine options for their waitresses.

I found a tall good looking girl out of a group of 4 eating there making eye contact with me. Approached her and asked for her number (She told me she wouldn't have come over to me, just smiling from her seat, until I approach her). She came to my Hotel the nex day afternoon and we had a good time until next morning. Very GFE. She has another customer, for whom she would bring a different girl for a threesome every time he calls her.

Now she is busy because her sponsor is in town.

[Frank Furious]

I walked out of the JW Marriott onto the main road, just wandering around like a dog in heat, thinking about which soapy to try that afternoon. My plan was to then hail a taxi and go there - day dreaming about having my cock sucked by one girl and being rimmed by the other, or whatever was on my mind at the time.

I had hardly got past the Nana Plaza side street, when I saw a beautiful tall Thai lady elegantly dressed, looking like a smart PA or secretary. She had a Singaporean look (to my mind, but that's probably not accurate). She had beautiful long tanned legs a medium length beige coloured skirt and classy heels.

My cognitive function immediately classed her as being totally off limits for p4p. I discreetly walked behind her, admiring her butt in that tight skirt.

I came to BKK to do p4p, but in my regular life I am heavily into p4free. The trouble with p4p is that if you are in that mindset, even though you may have good social skills and are a top class pickup artist, it's difficult to cross worlds from p4p to p4free in an instant. The two are totally different and require different skills and a different outlook to get what you want.

This girl worked in the JW Marriott as a beautician. I approached her, initiated a conversation centering around if she could help me as I was a bit lost. We had a great conversation, I built up some rapport, got her number and said I'd call her and see her sometime for a drink. She just seemed to be a great woman and appeared eager to know more about me, over and above the snippets I gave her.

I greatly regret never calling that Thai woman. The reason was that in BKK I felt like an utterly depraved dog most of the time. I found I could not easily snap out of being in a p4p mindset, which is the wrong way to go about enjoying the company of a woman who is not a sex worker, IMO. I speak for myself only, others may have no problem with handling both at once, it's just my personal limitation.

I am posting this to confirm that hotel staff, are 'attainable' if you go about it with the right approach (hotel staff discussed earlier on the thread). I have no doubt I could have got this woman out to enjoy time with, but not in the JW Marriott and it would have taken a while before I could ascertain whether I could have properly seduced her ie. got sex.

Respect if you try.

[Phantomtiger2]

I am posting this to confirm that hotel staff, are 'attainable' if you go about it with the right approach. I have no doubt I could have got this woman out to enjoy time with, but not in the JW Marriott and it would have taken a while before I could ascertain whether I could have properly seduced her ie. got sex.

Respect if you try.Yes, there are probably alot of gals everywhere in BKK that can be had for "free" but most (such as myself) will never try simply because my vacation time is limited and cant afford to waste any of it on "maybes". All of us vacationer/mongers want only a sure thing so we dont mind paying for it.

Dont get me wrong, I think "Freebies " are ok if you have the time to invest with pursuing the gal--but its still no guarantee she will put out in the end.

BTW: "freebies"--is a bit of a misnomer as all the freebies in my life ending up costing much more than just paying someone for the deed.
ex: several dinners, drinks, entertainment cost--etc, etc, etc.

Just IMO.

PT

[SidTheSexist]

a trip to bkk is void without the customary visit to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) at least once in the week!!:d:d
you've heard it all before so wont bore. if you haven't then rtff.
saturday approx 2pm. name, air, which makes nicely for the name cards they wear which have, "hostess," directly underneath their names.
usual bbbjcim. in and out within 25 minutes although i must admit, it wasnt the same this trip as she put a towel on the sofa upstairs. didnt get the peeling sensation at the end of the job :d
cant beat this place for a quickie bj.
sid

[Two Ravens]

Hello All,

I am planning a week in BKK near the end of September and am looking for some advice on where in the city would be good for a first timer to stay. After RTFF a bit it seems like Sukhumvit area would do nicely. Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track? Am thinking maybe Ariston Hotel, does anyone have any knowledge of this hotel?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

[Juggernutt]

Was past month for a short visit in BKK. Of course went off to NEP. Heard alot of bad things about it...but was not all true.

I enjoyed the gals at the RB bars...really topnotch. Frankly there are so many gals here. It's a bit of a buyers market if you are not just after the young starlets.
A beautifull 25+ wanted LT for 2000bht. She was not so hot here compared with the young beauts...but she was still topnotch compared with lesser bars.

I enjoyed the show at Voodoowitch bar(is that correct). Met an american guy with his thai GF who was just here to enjoy the show.(PM me if you remember) He gave advice on Ratchada and where to find the best choices FLwise.
I am gratefull for his advice...because his answer was totally unexpected.
Turns out that the hotspot is NEP parkinglot. A lot of FL comes here to pick guys up.

That's just what I did. It's a great place just to hang around and see all the gals comeout of the disco and NEP. So many choices. INCREDIBLE.
Frankly it was kinda intimidating. I needed a drink and some time to acclimatise to the scene. Taking it all in.
I was eyeing two gals hanging around eating a snack. They already have waved off a couple of guys ...but after the advice I got I knew this was just an openair pickup joint. But becoz they are freelancers thay can be a lil choosier.(don't get how rude or obnoxious some guys can be, just becoz its p4p you can still act civilized)

Being in Thailand I knew a smile is always a big help. Chatted up a bit. Even tasted the snack they were eating.(pressed squid) The gals looked gorgeous. quite tall. One was definite an mixblood. Quite stunning.She asked for 2000st. Didnt want to do LT. The other was pure thai...the whiter kind that asians love. I was thinking...what is she doing here. She was quite tall with a nice generous boobs and ass. For an asian very volupteous,
I agreed with her longtime....2000tbt. I think we kinda connected. Strange..if they seem to like u the price can drop.

Took her back to my hotel for real GFE sex. It was so comfortable. Even though it was p4p..I did my bestto make her come. You really can hear the difference between play or real...
Frankly one of my best experiences in thailand. Her disposition was so sweet.
Even though she was beuatifull...she had a slight skinpigment imperfection. You can only see it when she's naked, but she was still very conscious about it.

Biggest regret...losing her phonenumber. She works FT at a salon and when she needs money she and a bunch of her friends come to NEP to earn some extra money.

Anyway definitely worth a recommendation...just be carefull though or need to feel lucky. You truly can find anything here.

[Eagle_I]

Hi Guys,

I am due to take my first trip to BKK in the next few weeks. Just wondering about negotiating services with a girl - not just price but the services for the price ie. bbbjcim etc. Are there any slang terms the girls use to describe the different services?

Thanking you in advance.

[Leo24]

Turns out that the hotspot is NEP parkinglot. A lot of FL comes here to pick guys up.

That's just what I did. It's a great place just to hang around and see all the gals comeout of the disco and NEP. So many choices. INCREDIBLE.Juggernutt,

I will be in BKK next week. Tell me, what and where is NEP?

Leo24

[AsiaTraveler2]

Juggernutt,

I will be in BKK next week. Tell me, what and where is NEP?

Leo24

Leo24,

Looks like you have not read the thread. NEP is the Nana Entertainment Plaza or Nana Plaza for short. The parking lot across the street is a hangout for the girls as well as some of the bars around the area. Center court of Nana, there's a couple of bars as well. Angels (Nana Disco) across from Nana Plaza also has some lookers late night, but the cover charge has gone up. I think 500B, which includes a drink.

Be sure to at least flip through the last 20-30 pages of this thread. Don't bother reading too many of the stories. Comb through the thread for the hot spots. Read the Reports of distinction thread as well. Do your homework. You will be glad you did. There are just so many cool places to hit, that you would be well advised to jot down notes on a note pad before you go.

If you forget, just drop into the nearest internet cafe and hit the website while you are in BKK, for a quick update. Most of all have fun.

AT2

[Toad Thelittle]

Hi guys,

My first post here. I've been to BKK a few times, always stayed at the Nana and always ended up going to the NEP. Not tried the other places yet because I always got what I wanted at the first stop. :)

Anyone have any idea where there might be a club on the lines of the German FKK's, sort of a public or group "activity" place?

[Angus Magee]

I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

[M P Lurker]

Hi Guys,

I am due to take my first trip to BKK in the next few weeks. Just wondering about negotiating services with a girl - not just price but the services for the price ie. bbbjcim etc. Are there any slang terms the girls use to describe the different services?
Thanking you in advance.Eagle Eye,

I am somewhat unknowledgeable due to mainly conversing with Girls in Thai language. However many Sex Guide terms will not be understood.

Short Time and Long Time are terms used but you will need to discuss exactly how long you mean by a Long Time. Can vary a lot.

With shy girls, I just ask them if they would like to go with me to my Hotel. ST will be assumed.

In the old days some girls used the term 'smoking' for a blow job, but there is new trendy terminology that is more fasionable. Wish I could remember it.Perhaps someone else will.

Just to explain 'smoking'; Thai word 'soop' is used for both smoking cigarettes and for sucking on anything at all.

Most Thai girls will assume they must give a blow job and are usually happy to receive one. BBBJ often but not always. They will understand 'suck with no condom', I guess.

Anal ('ow doot' in Thai) is rarely available, but very experienced girls perhaps.
Any other kinky stuff you will need to ask.

What type of photos are allowed will need to be asked. Some are very shy and some are not at all.

I mostly don't ask the girl what she will do. I just see what happens.

Its more fun if the girl is enjoying herself and comfortable with everything.

Its amazing what girls are capable of doing (that they couldn't even discuss) once they get going and the shyness fades.

[Purple 2006]

Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. Any idea if I can get a Visa on arrival and still have some time to monger?

Do I need a Visa to get to Amari Airport Hotel? Is it within the Airport premises? I have gone through some of the RTFF. Considering the time I have, Amari Airport Hotel is the best bet?

BR

Purple

[Wooodman]

I'm a newbie and your report will help out a lot.

Report Number 1113 and 1114 or under.

[Duniawala]

I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey


He is a suspected child molester (he has been caught with CP images), so I doubt any of ISG members ran across him.

[Duniawala]

Hi guys,

My first post here. I've been to BKK a few times, always stayed at the Nana and always ended up going to the NEP. Not tried the other places yet because I always got what I wanted at the first stop. :)

Anyone have any idea where there might be a club on the lines of the German FKK's, sort of a public or group "activity" place?
Yes, there is in Korat. I forget the name and location, it was sometime ago, but I believe it was next to the park. Ask Freeler, he might be able to give you the address.

[Phantomtiger2]

I can not help but wonder if any of the Bangkok ISG'ers have run across thei John Mark Karr fellow who has been arrested in the Ramsey murder case.


<<Police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists. The nine-story hotel offers rooms for as short as three-hour rentals.>>

Seems that he has been to Thailand 5 times in the past years and was looking to teach English there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey


His picture was also posted with the news article. I cant say I'd ever seen him before, perhaps someone had seen/talk to him but didnt give it a second thought. Like someone already pointed out: this killer is only interested in children so doubt very much anyone here really knows him.

PT

[Wooodman]

I'm a newbie and Brain666 report answered a lot of my questions.

Report Number: 1113 and 1114

Thanks,

Wooodman

[Member #2041]

of course, the media is all over this arrest of "jonbenet's killer", but i would say that from what i have heard this guy is possibly more likely to be just a freak **** who is a wannabe copycat in search of "fame" than the actual murderer of jonbenet ramsey.

his "confession" does not match the facts of the case (he said that he drugged her and made love to her and accidentally killed her). forensics found no drugs nor semen in her body, and the bruising was much more in line with manually groping her than her actually having been raped. in addition, his ex-wife (who divorced him because he was a ****) stated that he was actually with her in georgia and alabama during the christmas that jonbenet was murdered.

the bottom line is that there was dna found in jonbenet's underwear. if this guy's dna does not match that, then he is merely an after the fact freak stalker who is either dillusional or seeking fame. if the dna does match, then he's the guy. but it is by no means clear at this point in time.

to try to bring this at least slightly back on topic, i do think that it's interesting the degree to which the thai police have seemingly completely given up their jurisdiction and are apparently letting u.s. cops run the show with this investigation while this guy is still technically in thai custody. they are apparently very conscious of the degree to which adverse publicity about bankok being a haven for sex-tourists could impact their overall tourism dollars.

[Sky Dog]

Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. Any idea if I can get a Visa on arrival and still have some time to monger?

Do I need a Visa to get to Amari Airport Hotel? Is it within the Airport premises? I have gone through some of the RTFF. Considering the time I have, Amari Airport Hotel is the best bet?

BR

Purple

You must pass through imigrations to exit the airport. The Amari hotel is across the street. There is a bridge going from the departure (top) level to the hotel.

The topic of having short time p4p during a layover has been discussed before. There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky Dog

[Hutsori]

Of course, the media is all over this arrest of "JonBenet's killer"... His "confession" does not match the facts of the case... They are apparently very conscious of the degree to which adverse publicity about Bankok being a haven for sex-tourists could impact their overall tourism dollars.

I really hope you're right that this guy is yanking the cops' chains. If not I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok. This JonBenet story dominated the headlines in the States for quite a while a decade ago. Now add in the titillating images of Thai prostitution, especially the paedophiliac kind, and "depraved" Western men and this story could have legs.

[1Ball]

I really hope you're right that this guy is yanking the cops' chains. If not I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok. This JonBenet story dominated the headlines in the States for quite a while a decade ago. Now add in the titillating images of Thai prostitution, especially the paedophiliac kind, and "depraved" Western men and this story could have legs.
I bet there won't be many Westerners hanging out behind Katie Couric, in full view of the camera, as she reports from NEP, live and in colour!

[1Ball]

There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky Dog
Actually there IS P4P at the airport. it could be hit and miss, but if you don't want to go into town, you could hang around the departure area, and watch the P4P kiss and wave goodbye to the forlorn monger, as he heads to immigration. Move in as soon as he has gone through, and make your deal. Then take her over to the Amari for a couple of hours.
Again, hit or miss, but could be fun.

[Member #2041]

I fear we'll see the likes of Barbara Walters and Katie Couric huffing and puffing from the streets of Bangkok.

I wouldn't mind bumping into Katie Couric on Sukhumvit Road. For her age, she's still pretty hot, and I hear that she doesn't mind having things stuck up her colon. Of course, I'm retired and single, so I have less to lose on that score than many of my brother mongers.

[Rikusa]

Yes, there is in Korat. I forget the name and location, it was sometime ago, but I believe it was next to the park. Ask Freeler, he might be able to give you the address.Try "Resortcaroline"

[Praise The Loard]

Actually there IS P4P at the airport. it could be hit and miss, but if you don't want to go into town, you could hang around the departure area, and watch the P4P kiss and wave goodbye to the forlorn monger, as he heads to immigration. Move in as soon as he has gone through, and make your deal. Then take her over to the Amari for a couple of hours.

Again, hit or miss, but could be fun.LOL that's funny, and I can see this happening.

[SidTheSexist]

Would be having a 4-5 hrs transit period in BKK airport. Unfortunately I am from one of the countries which requires Visa to enter. I came to know that Visa on arrival is possible. But I am not sure how much of my precious time it will eat. On my latest visit last week, I travelled through customs with a friend who needed a visa also. The process is fast and easy, howeve, be aware that the counter only accepts thai baht and when I was there, the nearest exchange machine was broken and my friend dissapeared from sight before he found desk which was open. Please also bare in mind that this was 1am and so there was hardly anybody else there. Once the application form was complete, we waited for 15-20 minutes and the visa was complete. You need two passport photos but there is a machine right beside the area for 200bht. Everything is in english and very easy to do.
Sid

[Wolf]

Purple 2006, you do have an alternative.

Look for the massage booth on the second floor next to one of the rest lounges. I confirm that you can have a hj or (depending on your negotiation skills and your money) a bj. Not a pretty lady though. Not cheap neither. But if you want a release, you can get it. Easy. Just enter. Accept the massage. Go to the room. Take of your clothes. And wink to the lady. She'll know what to do.

I was there with a friend of mine about a year ago or so. I was getting out of the country. He was on transit and eager for trying. I took him there. We had quite a laugh actually. He jerked accidentally on the face of the masseuse and she was a bit upset and rushed out for cleaning. I jerked on the breast of mine and she dis not even bother cleaning and just put back her bra over my souvenir.

There is also a shower available both before and after the deed.

Enjoy

The Wolf

[The Traveler]

In the old days some girls used the term 'smoking' for a blow job, but there is new trendy terminology that is more fasionable. Wish I could remember it.Perhaps someone else will.

Just to explain 'smoking'; Thai word 'soop' is used for both smoking cigarettes and for sucking on anything at all.

Mick Licker,

'smoking' will still be understood, but 'om' should be used instead of 'soop'.
'Om' means suck and that's what you want. Every girl will understand immediately.

[Odiacz]

Found a great girl at Ceaser's. Her name is Dee and she is Nr 27 in the fishbowl. Her age is actually as well 27. She has a fantastic body and a lovely face. On top of it I found her very motivated, a really pleasant and funny girl - we laughed a lot. The service she offered was outstanding - one of the best I ever had in Bangkok. Sex was great and we both enjoyed it - she had a triple orgasm (privilege of a lady...). Next time in Bangkok I know where to go. For info, she does work 6 days per week.

[Jimbehr2000]

Thanks for the info A Sunny. What time you go and how was the selection? Were there a lot of girls in the fishbowl and on the sidelines?

[Savannah]

I just spent two weeks in BKK and Phuket and had a great time. Not much new information to contribute but I would like to say thank you for all the good reports. First night, I took a small cutey from Nana plaza to the Nana short time room. She was small but powerful. i find Nana has better looking girls than cowboy or patpong, however, I was nicely surprised by the full nude dancing in many of the cowboy gogos. How come no one has mentioned this? Suzy Wong's has a great show and one of the best looking women I have seen in Thailand. Just one though.

Also, there is a new MP in Patpong. I forgot the name. It's in the infiniti complex and you can't miss it. The prices are confusing. They use a letter system with 5 letters. I forgot how it goes, but prices range from 1900 to 3900. The one I chose was 2500 and the best looking I saw. There was no soapie though. A good body wash in the Jacuzzi with CBJ and then to the bed for a second pop. All was good and there were attractive women there.

Savannah

[Member #3409]

Also, there is a new MP in Patpong. I forgot the name. It's in the infiniti complex and you can't miss it. The prices are confusing. They use a letter system with 5 letters. I forgot how it goes, but prices range from 1900 to 3900. The one I chose was 2500 and the best looking I saw. There was no soapie though. A good body wash in the Jacuzzi with CBJ and then to the bed for a second pop. All was good and there were attractive women there.

Savannah

Where is the Infiniti complex? Is that the area where the bulk of the massage places seem to be off Surriwong, kind in a soi that leads down to the back of the multistory carpark?

[Blaquesmith]

Just got back from Bangkok a couple of days ago. Went to Baccara, Soi Cowboy and saw June, a girl I had previously. Problem with these girls is that once you've screwed them, the next time you visit, they'll stick to you like a leech. Anyway... as soon as she sees me, she stayed with me the whole night and wasn't happy when I was checking out other chicks in the bar. Due to the lack of desirable girls that night, decided to bar fine her and took her back to the hotel. Pretty SOP and banged her for quite a while. One thing I noticed about her (and from the previous session that I had with her) is that no matter how much foreplay I give her (other than DATY which I DON"T DO to hookers... who know's what kind of disease they have), she's never wet. That kinda put me off but nevertheless, after a rigorous thumping session, finally came and fell to sleep. Woke up the next morning rushing to the airport therefore didn't managed to get any action going. Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine.

[Easy Yo]

4 K Bath?!

[Duniawala]

4 K Bath?!
No, no. He did not take 4000 baths. He paid 4000 Bahts.

[Purple 2006]

You must pass through imigrations to exit the airport. The Amari hotel is across the street. There is a bridge going from the departure (top) level to the hotel.

The topic of having short time p4p during a layover has been discussed before. There are no p4p girls hanging at the airport. From what I know, the best bet is to get a phone number of a girl from another member and arrange to have her meet you at the Amari Hotel. Or, it's about a 30 minute cab ride to Nana/Sukhimvut. Grab a girl and go to a short time hotel. Then haul ass back to the airport.

Chok Dee Khrup! Sky DogThanks Wolf, 1 Ball and Sky Dog for the inputs on Transit fun. I guess it is better to visit Nana for sure shot fun. 1 hour to come out of the Airport (with Visa on arrival process) + 30 min to Nana + 2 hours of fun + 30 min to come back. I have one hour of buffer (for traffic contingency). I hope I should be able to make it with this plan. Will report back.

Regards

Purple

[1Ball]

Purple2006, your timetable sounds perfect to me, except for 1 thing.
You have not taken BKK traffic into consideration.
I don't know what time of day all your fun is taking place, but in the afternoon, some parts of Sukhumvit, where Nana is located, can be a parking lot. In someinstances, pedestrians get around faster than vehicles.
So be careful, you don't want to miss your plane......or maybe you do ;)

[VanHalen5150]

Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine

Blaquesmith. Little wonder she clung to you like a leach. Thats twice the amount for a girl from Soi Cowboy!

[Phantomtiger2]

No, no. He did not take 4000 baths. He paid 4000 Bahts.

Regardless of whether he paid 4000b or took 4000 baths, either way its still too much for only one nite.

[Member #3409]

Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine

Blaquesmith. Little wonder she clung to you like a leach. Thats twice the amount for a girl from Soi Cowboy!

Take a look at the name of the place he got it from, then think Japan.

[AsiaTraveler2]

Thanks Wolf, 1 Ball and Sky Dog for the inputs on Transit fun. I guess it is better to visit Nana for sure shot fun. 1 hour to come out of the Airport (with Visa on arrival process) + 30 min to Nana + 2 hours of fun + 30 min to come back. I have one hour of buffer (for traffic contingency). I hope I should be able to make it with this plan. Will report back.

Regards

Purple

Purple,

Time will be very tight. There are too many things that you did not include in your timeline. Do you have 4-5 hours between flights or are you allocating an hour to check in and board, and saying you have 4-5 hours free to monger? What time are you landing? If it's after 11:00pm, yes you can get to BKK in about 30 minutes from the time you are getting in the cab till the time you reach Nana.

If it's in the afternoon or early evening you could be looking at an hour or more each way. It's gridlock. Freelancer or barfine? You need to include the wait time to get the bar fine paid and the girl to get dressed (10-15 minutes easy) or the time it takes to find an acceptable freelancer w/o ending up with a ladyboy instead! lol!

It may take you more than an hour to get out of the airport. There's the time it takes to get out of the plane, time getting to and through immigration lines (e.g. possible tram ride between plane and terminal and long lines at immigration), your visa situation, time to get your bearings, getting money exchanged, waiting in the taxi line or even finding the taxi line if it's your first time. Not trying to rain on your parade, but your timeline is based on everything going perfectly and with perfect knowledge of how everything works. I hate to say it, but that's probably not going to happen.

It's the 5-10 minutes here and there, walking, asking questions, paying for things, glitches, etc. that are going to easily add 1 hour or more to your scheduled activities. Without knowing your exact schedule, I am envisioning a 5:00pm arrival time, 7:00pm arrival at Nana Plaza, 8:00pm return ride to the airport, 9:00pm checkin, 10:30pm flight out of BKK. That leaves you 1 hour with which to decide which girl you want, getting the room (NEP does have a few skanky ST rooms), and probably a 15-30 minute quicky. Possible, but good luck!

You better have a plan B ready, so you don't miss out on what could be a memorable stopover.

AT2

[Wolfsheim]

Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance


I just spent two weeks in BKK and Phuket and had a great time. Not much new information to contribute but I would like to say thank you for all the good reports. First night, I took a small cutey from Nana plaza to the Nana short time room. She was small but powerful. i find Nana has better looking girls than cowboy or patpong, however, I was nicely surprised by the full nude dancing in many of the cowboy gogos. How come no one has mentioned this? Suzy Wong's has a great show and one of the best looking women I have seen in Thailand. Just one though.

Savannah

[Fox Two]

Damage 4000 baht for LT + barfine.Well, as the girls will say... "You have a Good Heart!"

Personally, I think you could have gotten away with at least 1K Baht less. But do as you please, it is your holiday.

As for the girls becoming "sticky" to you, I've had that happen too. Because I was staying a while, I was able to deal with it in my own way and I have written about it. The dynamic is different when you have less time. For more variety on shorter stays, the only way around it that I see, is to break up your selection of girls between a number of different bars. Find 1-2 potential girls from each to play with.

Cheers!

Fox

[Crypton]

Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance

Soi 29 off of Suk.

[Traveler1234]

Where is Soi Cowboy in relative position to Nana ? Is Soi Cowboy off Sukhumvit Rd or is it a different section of BKK all together ?

Thanks in advance

They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.

Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D

[1Ball]

They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.

Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D
What hotel would you suggest for that area T1234? :) I like staying on Sukhumvit, but get tired of being so darn close to the airport, those early morning take offs are just awful.
Thanks in advance.

[VanHalen5150]

1ball

Try the Nana Inn (not Nana Hotel) opposite side of the road to the world famous Grace Hotel. Soi 3, which is a side road off Sukhumvit Road. Also a stones throw from Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Annies, my favourite massage palour. Nice cozy quiet hotel with decent sized rooms and guest friendly. A 5 minute ride by tuk tuk should get you to all your desired destinations, if you get my drift!

[Tiger 888]

They're in two different locations, one is very close to current airport on Sukhumvit -- less than 5 minutes away. The other -- Soi Cowboy is close to the new, soon to be opened airport in another part of town. Roughly B$200 apart by taxi, in no traffic.
Best place to stay that is in btw to both location is Patpong. Enjoy :D

What hotel would you suggest for that area T1234? I like staying on Sukhumvit, but get tired of being so darn close to the airport, those early morning take offs are just awful.
Thanks in advance.Its nice to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) at newbies, eh?
Thats why I call those posts in the Thailand threads a kindergarten.
Ok, Wolfsheim, why don't you do a simple google search with
>"soi cowboy" bangkok location< Google makes life so easy after you learn to use it. And safer than asking here, since someone may even tell you to go to soi 355. Even though I think that Crypton's misleading answer may not have been intentionally misleading and you won't be far away then anyway.

[Tiger 888]

1ball

Try the Nana Inn (not Nana Hotel) opposite side of the road to the world famous Grace Hotel. Soi 3, which is a side road off Sukhumvit Road. Also a stones throw from Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Annies, my favourite massage palour. Nice cozy quiet hotel with decent sized rooms and guest friendly. A 5 minute ride by tuk tuk should get you to all your desired destinations, if you get my drift!Sorry, VanHalen, but 1ball didn't mean to ask a question here.

[Bold Focker]

I will be returning to BKK after my first trip in July. Last time I stayed in Nana area,
But this time I would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
What I would like to know is, what the entertainment is like around grottos lodge.
Is it a good location for the cowboy area and soi33? Is it walk able and how long would it take? Are there any other places of interest in that area, like beer gardens etc?

What are the costs like? My fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, I might be temped to Pay grottos BF of 1500bth.

I assume Nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
Any help would be appreciated!

[Purple 2006]

Purple,

Time will be very tight. There are too many things that you did not include in your timeline. Do you have 4-5 hours between flights or are you allocating an hour to check in and board, and saying you have 4-5 hours free to monger? What time are you landing? If it's after 11:00pm, yes you can get to BKK in about 30 minutes from the time you are getting in the cab till the time you reach Nana.

If it's in the afternoon or early evening you could be looking at an hour or more each way. It's gridlock. Freelancer or barfine? You need to include the wait time to get the bar fine paid and the girl to get dressed (10-15 minutes easy) or the time it takes to find an acceptable freelancer w/o ending up with a ladyboy instead! lol!

It may take you more than an hour to get out of the airport. There's the time it takes to get out of the plane, time getting to and through immigration lines (e.g. possible tram ride between plane and terminal and long lines at immigration), your visa situation, time to get your bearings, getting money exchanged, waiting in the taxi line or even finding the taxi line if it's your first time. Not trying to rain on your parade, but your timeline is based on everything going perfectly and with perfect knowledge of how everything works. I hate to say it, but that's probably not going to happen.

It's the 5-10 minutes here and there, walking, asking questions, paying for things, glitches, etc. that are going to easily add 1 hour or more to your scheduled activities. Without knowing your exact schedule, I am envisioning a 5:00pm arrival time, 7:00pm arrival at Nana Plaza, 8:00pm return ride to the airport, 9:00pm checkin, 10:30pm flight out of BKK. That leaves you 1 hour with which to decide which girl you want, getting the room (NEP does have a few skanky ST rooms), and probably a 15-30 minute quicky. Possible, but good luck!

You better have a plan B ready, so you don't miss out on what could be a memorable stopover.

AT2Thanks AT2 for your thoughts. I have 5.5 hrs from landing to another take off. (Early evening time). I guess it would be tight. Let me see if I can pull it Off :)

Purple

PS: Any inputs for Plan B?

[Martians]

Purple: First thing is to get a taxi and straight into Nana along the highway paying all tollls. I presume you are checking your luggage through. I laos do not know if your passport is machine readable. With the Yamks pisisng their knickers over securoty, if your passport is not machine readable, you could lose 15 minutes on the immigration queue.

Assuming your passport is ok and you have checked your main stuff through, take very little hand luggage and run like fuck to the Immigration desk. Seat yourself near the doors to get a headstart.

Once you clear customs, change money, including your exist fee of 550 baht. Then jump in a taxi either at arrivals or departures. Get drkopped off at the corner of Nana and Suk and stock up on your Viagra (and condoms for the ladies) Then hot foot it to some shag fest like Annnies or Eden. Then fuck your brains out. Your time constraints mean you have no time for window shopping, just some heavy duty shagging. If you are doingt a long fliught, you might find a massage, a blow job and a rim are better than firing all of your guns at once.

When you are finished, give the slappers a friendly pat on the arse for a job well done and taxi it back to the airport.

Time is important to you not money so go for the ready made fuck and suck package. You can buy Viagra at the airport but you don't have the time.

Annies might be better than Eden. Soemwhere you can park, plonk and depart.

[AsiaTraveler2]

Thanks AT2 for your thoughts. I have 5.5 hrs from landing to another take off. (Early evening time). I guess it would be tight. Let me see if I can pull it Off :)

Purple

PS: Any inputs for Plan B?

Purple,

As far as plan B is concerned, I would recommend that 1st, you get a Visa before you arrive in BKK. You do not want to be wasting time getting a Visa upon arrival. You do NOT have time to waste.

Recommendation #2 is to hit Google and do some searching. Contact an Escort Agency, Limo service or something similar and find out what kind of options you might have. I listed some agencies below. I have only tried Number 1 BKK Models and don't know any of the others first hand. It was 3,000 baht years ago, and now the websites say 6,000 baht. 3 times as expensive as the norm in the city, so it depends how much you want to pay for the experience. I tried Number 1 BKK Models years ago, when my flight was delayed and I got to my hotel at 3:00am in the morning. I was tired and too dead to go hunting, so I called them and they delivered.

If you can arrange a girl to meet you at the airport, then you can book at the Amari and spend some time there. You can also shoot for Nana with her in tow and have her as your backup plan, although she may not be too happy about it. Either way, though, you will need to pay her the agency fee. Could get expensive. You can also head toward Nana and see how traffic is and reverse back to the airport if traffic looks like a nightmare. At least you will have the girl with you. Check with the driver and find out how long it took him to get to the airport. The comments below with the links are not mine, but part of the "advertising" posted along with the links.

Here's a short list of options:

Agencies:
Number 1 BKK Models
Has a large selection of escort girls, and claims that they are all models. Not strictly true, of course, but some of the girls are very attractive. Conveniently, a lot of them are pictured on their website. Seems to specialise in shorter bookings, of 24 hours or less
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 2641 9099, +66 (0) 2641 9007 or +66 (0) 9897 9801 – http://www.bangkok-escorts.com/

Absolute Girls Escort
Also with a large selection to choose from, and again with copious amounts of real pictures on the website, this is a nice and reasonably priced agency. Confidential and discrete also.
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 9993 9306
http://www.joy-thaimodel.com/

Bangkok New Girls
Providing a range of services and some pretty girls, this friendly escort agency is also reasonably priced. They pride themselves on their discretion and confidentiality also.
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 7114 5669
http://www.thegoldenstar1.com/

Eros
One of the classier establishments, this agency can arrange your entire luxury holiday for you; flights and accommodation included. Expect a very high level of service here, but don't bother contacting them if you’re just after a bit of company to spice up your quiet night in!
Website – Tel. +66 (0) 4660 2583
http://www.erosbangkok.com/

Massage w/o outside services:
http://bambammassage.com/

http://kokomassage.com/

http://ogotomassage.client.jp/en.html

http://www.paithailand.com/orchidmassage/eng/index.php

http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/p1.html

I am not recommending any of these places. Not even sure if they would service the Amari or provide transportation. I am just throwing them out as options. Do some homework and be sure to report your experiences. All of the stuff that I just wrote is me thinking and typing out loud and on the fly and may not make a bit of sense once I step back and look at it! lol!

In some ways, the pure experience of seeing Nana first hand, might be more valuable than the sex itself.

Be creative!

Good luck!
AT2

[Martians]

Asai T2: Good effort to help Deep Purple. I suggested he just hit a soapie or a sperm factory like Eden. He does NOT have time for fucking around as you so rightly say. I also asked the sperm catcher advertising in the classified section to hit him up. If all she is going to do is put and ad in and not chase up the punters, it's not much use is it? It's kinda fun helping tardfs isn't it? It's a pity Purple will miss out on one night in Bangkok but hey, we're al ltrying to help right.

The Traveler would probably know. I found his comments and Terry Terrier's helpful and more on pic than the many others who come here just to jerk off.

[Giotto]

I will be returning to BKK after my first trip in July. Last time I stayed in Nana area,
But this time I would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
...
What are the costs like? My fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, I might be temped to Pay grottos BF of 1500bth.

I assume Nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
Any help would be appreciated!Bold Focker,

Grotto??? Who is that :) ?

Info:

The Lodge is in the center of the entertainment area Soi 33, more than 30 hostess bars / pubs around here, lot's of restaurants. Soi 33 is the socalled Painter Soi, because many of the bars are named after painters.

Soi Cowboy is in walking distance from Livingstone's Lodge, Nana is not. Skytrain 5 min. . Taxi between 5 min. and 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

Barfines: THB 1,500.00 until 11.00 pm, afterwards THB 1,000.00

More info here:

497618

Grotto! Can somebody believe that ... LOL.


Giotto

[1Ball]

It's not Grotto, you BESTARD, it's GROTTY GROTTO
:):):)
(laughing hysterically)

[Tiger 888]

What about Giotto's Grotto?

[Traveler1234]

Its nice to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) at newbies, eh?
Thats why I call those posts in the Thailand threads a kindergarten.
Ok, Wolfsheim, why don't you do a simple google search with
>"soi cowboy" bangkok location< Google makes life so easy after you learn to use it. And safer than asking here, since someone may even tell you to go to soi 355. Even though I think that Crypton's misleading answer may not have been intentionally misleading and you won't be far away then anyway.

tiger1

It was i who took the first [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) -crypton beat me by about 3 minutes because i actually went through Wolf's "long history" of posts before completing my reply. 1Ball merely flushed the toilet

Here is a guy who lands in Bkk, asks about lesbian action in a polite way, get's some good responses, and after 2-3 days on Sukhumvit Rd with his gay female traveling companion - scores action.

How in the world can he then ask re Soi Cowboy and Nana relative location? Did he have his head buried in pussy the entire time?

Seems like a LAZY not a newbie query. If wolf actually believed what i wrote, which was done in tongue/cheek fashion, he deserves the hike out to the airports. IMHO


LOL

[1Ball]

1Ball merely flushed the toilet
LOL
Is that all I am good for? Sigh...
The funny part, (for me at least), was getting an answer to my "question".
LMAO

[Traveler1234]

i will be returning to bkk after my first trip in july. last time i stayed in nana area,
but this time i would like to move further up suck & spit & stay in grotty lodge.
what i would like to know is, what the entertainment is like around grottos lodge.
is it a good location for the cowboy area and soi33? is it walk able and how long would it take? are there any other places of interest in that area, like beer gardens etc?

what are the costs like? my fear is that if there is not much entertainment about, and it is expensive, i might be temped to pay grottos bf of 1500bth.

i assume nana area is not in walking distance, but how long does it take in taxi?
any help would be appreciated!

boldfocker

start here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=497816&postcount=6

polite suggestion to read it all before asking another question....almost everything and anything you need to know re soi 33, mp, etc. etc. is posted there.

1ball - your turn to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) :)

[1Ball]

is it safe to flush a toilet on Soi 33 and Mr. G's?
T1234, am confused, are you trying to flush the toilet, or are you trying to flush Mrs G?
On another note, it looks like Piper and I might land in BKK around the same time, end of September. Cannot tell you where we are staying though, I don't want to overflow onto the wrong thread. So it shall remain a secret

[Tiger 888]

tiger1

It was i who took the first [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) -crypton beat me by about 3 minutes because i actually went through Wolf's "long history" of posts before completing my reply. 1Ball merely flushed the toilet

Here is a guy who lands in Bkk, asks about lesbian action in a polite way, get's some good responses, and after 2-3 days on Sukhumvit Rd with his gay female traveling companion - scores action.

How in the world can he then ask re Soi Cowboy and Nana relative location? Did he have his head buried in pussy the entire time?

Seems like a LAZY not a newbie query. If wolf actually believed what i wrote, which was done in tongue/cheek fashion, he deserves the hike out to the airports. IMHO


LOLIn this case you are right, I din't take the pain to go through the history. I suspected something like this, thats why I didn't answer either and told him to google. But wouldn't it be better to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) through pm rather than possibly confusing others? You see the outcome by the answer of VanHalen.

[Bold Focker]

Sounds like I have upset the boss before I have even booked, let alone arrived. LOL

I was thinking of you as a "Santa Clause individual"


Bold Focker,

Grotto??? Who is that :) ?

Info:

The Lodge is in the center of the entertainment area Soi 33, more than 30 hostess bars / pubs around here, lot's of restaurants. Soi 33 is the socalled Painter Soi, because many of the bars are named after painters.

Soi Cowboy is in walking distance from Livingstone's Lodge, Nana is not. Skytrain 5 min. . Taxi between 5 min. and 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

Barfines: THB 1,500.00 until 11.00 pm, afterwards THB 1,000.00

More info here:

497618

Grotto! Can somebody believe that ... LOL.

Giotto

[Tiger 888]

I suggest we do as follows:

Could you please tell me everything about Bangkok? Are there youg girls in Bangkok? Do they know how to fuck? Do we need to pay them or will they pay us?CONTRIBUTING SENIOR READER'S NOTE: I certainly hope that everyone on the board ignores a pre-RTTF question. See the forum guidelines for directions on how to ignore a report.

[Michi]

HEy guys,
talke to one of my long time f*** toys yesterday.
She told me about a new disco named boss colse to the Hyatt.
Open from 2am to 6am. Anybody been there already? She said great girl to guy ratio (she more complained about it btw. ;-)). Sounds like Galaxy before.
Rgds,
Mike

[Daddy07]

As a newbie preparing for my first trip to LOS in mid-October, I found this URL to be informative regarding the new BKK airport, especially the fact that bus service will be available directly from the airport to the BTS skytrain, and also directly from the airport to Pattaya.

Daddy07

http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/ -- Bangkok's new Suvarnabhumi Airport is now set to open for commercial purposes on September 28, 2006.
Free shuttle bus service is provided for passengers and airport staff. Expess route connects the main terminal directly to the transport center. Ordinary route connects to other airport facilities. For passenger convenience shuttle buses serving Suvarnabhumi airport are low-floor type. Public bus service: is provided from the Bus Terminal at the Transport Center. Take a shuttle bus (Express route) to the Transport Center (Bus Number 552 - Suvarnabhumi Airport - On Nut BTS station Bus Number 389 - Suvarnabhumi Airport – Pattaya) Taxi’s: Passenger pick up at the taxi stand at Transport center.

[Phantomtiger2]

As a newbie preparing for my first trip to LOS in mid-October, I found this URL to be informative regarding the new BKK airport, especially the fact that bus service will be available directly from the airport to the BTS skytrain, and also directly from the airport to Pattaya.

Daddy07

.


Thanks for the update. There is still a big question whether the new airport will open on time as its over 1 year late (original date was in 2005).
Nothing new about airport buses connecting to BTS as some A-buses from current airport still connects to BTS lines.

[Martians]

It seems to me there will be a tight control on taxis/cabs. No more getting them at arrivals. I would not be surprised if taxi drivers had to pay a special premium to work at the airport or it was handed out to political friends and cronies. This airport has been a major investment and they will have to get the money back somehow. Expect higher prices.

The new deals for budget airlines also seems suspect. That might be code for making Thai airways stronger and its competitors weaker. It wil be interesting to see how airlines stuck at the old airport fare.

Good post, daddy/dad.

[DavePhx]

looks like this thread is being quoted by the bangkok post http://www.bangkokpost.com/perspective/27aug2006_pers001.php and of course it as usual relates all sex tourism to child prostitution which is insane unless things have drastically changed since i was there and did extensive reports at
http://www.sexwork.com/thailand/contents.html

someone needs do clue these editors in that i assume all here abhore child prostitution but it is just a lie to try to imply that is the purpose of guys going to thailand! maybe the editor will read this since he has read this thread and quoted from it.

most of the u.s. press is reporting how prostitution is illegal in thailand but the police are corrupt and ignore it. again total lies by the ignorant press it seems to me.

where are all these children? a national news show had an undercover reporter go into what looked like nana plaza strip clubs (forget the name) and interview a women offerring him a 15 yr old girl! is this possible with the extreme penalties for ****d at entertainment places.

or what is going on?

the media also seems to have no clue about the legal situation in thailand. correct me if i am wrong but....

prevention and suppression of prostitution act, b.e. 2539 (1996) passed due to western morality pressure making prostitution illegal but it did not revoke the the entertainment places act of 1966 that exempts special services at entertainment places which is all the gogo bars, massages places etc where westerners usually go. they protected the vast amount of income going to adult women to help support their children, their parents and grandparents often in poverty in rural thailand by making the vast consenting adult "prostitution" businesses open to foreign visitors legally bringing in millions of dollars/baht to support usually impoverished women and their children.

as a western visitor the child thing is totally mind blowing to me. with severe penalties for owners of entertainment places to hire and when i was there didn't see any children as far as i know. i was active on many thai sex tourist boards and i never read a word about anyone seeking ****d girls . many guys wanted to be sure to avoid accidentally being picked up by one. the advice is to avoid the street or beach gals that solicit you and stay with the entertainment places where the owners risk prison and huge fines if they hire anyone ****d.

it is not surprising that the "corrupt" thai police don't go out busting the local usually rural thai brothels which few foreigners would ever find. why enforce a law forced on a culture by outside moralists against what has for centuries been a normal part of thai culture just to please another foreign culture that has no business imposing its morality on the thai people.

but most news reports are tying sex tourists 99% i bet have never seen a local brothel as the issue.

another interesting report:
thailand child prostitution and trafficking - international justice mission (ijm) - bill gates support
first the ijm said they were combating child prostitution. when it became apparent to everyone that child prostitutes are quite rare, they jumped on this trafficking bandwagon. once it becomes obvious that sex slaves are even less common than child prostitutes, what will be their next excuse to get grant money from the us government?

the girls unfurl a banner with a photo of burmese sex workers being abducted from thai brothels to illustrate that one of the organizations (the international justice mission, or ijm) bill and melinda have aligned themselves with is bad news. khartini slamah, a malaysian transsexual activist, elbows past the press and says, "you're dumping your money in the wrong place" upon which bill and melinda are whooshed away, all in under two minutes.

to be fair, the gates have given money to some awesome sex-worker organizations in india, but the ijm is described by andrew hunter from the asian pacific network of sex workers as "rabidly fundamentalist." he talks about the "rescue and repatriation" tactics of the ijm. after kidnapping sex workers with the help of the local constabulary, they incarcerate them, then force them back to their native countries, one of which is burma, a military state that a lot of women leave expressly because it's a military state. sometimes they just plop the women somewhere halfway and they are left with the dangerous and expensive task of returning themselves. this is all done under the auspices of anti-trafficking (oddly, using the same methods as traffickers), though many of these sex workers are not trafficked.
source: woodhullfoundation mailing list

another upsetting issue is that the bush administration early in 2006 passed the first federal law that deals with prostitution other than the mann act. it gives millions of dollars to combat "trafficking" which includes consenting adult private sexuality. if forced upon the women then it is "extreme trafficking" but the doj with grants to local police is going after private consenting adults - which is legal in almost all the world except the u.s. (as it is in thailand for special services from entertainment places) and charging husbands for example of a gal (aussie amber) with federal felonies just for helping his wife set up appts under the new "trafficking law" that is how sick and out of control the bush admin is in the u.s. and there are attempts now to go after u.s. citizens going to other countries to charge with felonies even if its totally legal in the country they visit such as in thailand, canada, and most of the world.

dave in phoenix
promoting positive intimacy and sexuality for consenting adults
sexwork research center
htttp://www.sexwork.com
http://www.sexworkcanada.com
http://www.libchrist.com
http://www.lovetouch.info

[Yi Ren]

looks like this thread is being quoted by the bangkok post
<...>
someone needs do clue these editors in that i assume all here abhore child prostitution but it is just a lie to try to imply that is the purpose of guys going to thailand! maybe the editor will read this since he has read this thread and quoted from it.

most of the u.s. press is reporting how prostitution is illegal in thailand but the police are corrupt and ignore it. again total lies by the ignorant press it seems to me.

where are all these children? a national news show had an undercover reporter go into what looked like nana plaza strip clubs (forget the name) and interview a women offerring him a 15 yr old girl! is this possible with the extreme penalties for ****d at entertainment places.

or what is going on?

the media also seems to have no clue about the legal situation in thailand. correct me if i am wrong but....
<...>

dave,

while i completely concur re: your attitudes regarding child sex, there a few things i'd like to point out. (btw, i'm not a lawyer; i don't play one on tv; and i haven't been to a holiday inn express in ages - but i do reside in bangkok, when not traveling on business throughout asia.)

- prostitution is illegal in thailand. however, my "compensated companions" enter into a private contract between legal adults which thai law considers just that: a private transaction, not prostitution.

- while i have no idea of how widespread it is, i remember having a beer in a certain nep establishment some months back, and chatted with a young-looking lady. she was 16, and asked if i wanted to bar fine her. i declined, and quickly moved to another bar.

unfortunately it seems those of us who pursue consenting sex with legal adults are being catagorized with those who would prey on children. and since the karr thing, it appears the long-suffering easl teachers are also being painted by that same brush.

btw, if one thinks thai police are "corrupt", i would suggest even they could take lessons from the overlapping-jurisdictional paramilitary folks in manila.

-y

[DavePhx]

Yi Ren

Thanks for good info. I think we need to be more visible being clear we have no interest in child sex. The Karr incident just make matters worse for those here seeking private consenting adult interactions.

I agree that the Manila situation as I've reported on in my PI reports. Thai police especially the tourist police the last I knew had very good reputation.

[Rambis Youth]

I remember having a beer in a certain NEP establishment some months back, and chatted with a young-looking lady. She was 16, and asked if I wanted to bar fine her. I declined, and quickly moved to another bar.

-YI had a similar experience in Cowboy a few months back. I can't remember which bar but it was a couple down from Tilac on the same side.

She didn't tell me how old she was but she was clearly 15 or 16 and told me her mother worked in the bar. She asked if I wanted 'boom boom' upstairs.

I bought her a drink and then headed to another bar.

[Member #2041]

Dave, the media will report what they want to report, irrespective of the facts. Note that the story which quotes the ISG thread makes absolutely no claim that the ISG discussion ever so much as mentions children, only a conversation about an encounter which would involve adults at the airport, or dealing with the logistics of airport traffic. What they were decrying was the mere existence of this resource at all, even though it was being used for consensual encounters between adults. They in the press made a link between adults involved in consensual commercial sex, and the exploitation of children which was, at the very most, a tenuous link of coincidence, and in fact showed no actual evidence of that linkage, and the authors were almost apologetic over that lack of evidence in the story.

The fact is, John Mark Karr WAS in Thailand, and pretty much everyone knows WHY he was in Thailand. Eventually, that bit of tawdry news will get stale. The good news is that he no longer is, and it was cooperation between the Thai legal system and the U.S. that got him removed. All that WE can do is insure that our own forum never tolerates the exploitation of children, and that we as individuals steer clear of such heinous behavior, and confine ourselves to interactions with people who are old enough to fully comprehend their actions, and free enough to control their own behavior and the people that they meet, for reasons of their own choosing.

[DavePhx]

i think if most folks read the press they would assume the sex tourists were looking for children that seems sadly to be the implication.

i agree we need more posts making clear we have no such interest and need to stay clear. maybe more media is reading this thread since it was quoted in the post and probably picked up by the ap etc.

sex tourism the big bad thing now in the u.s. press 99% has nothing whatsover to do with children. i have no idea how i would find a child if i wanted to (i don't). we all run not walk if we think a gal is ****d. that is not the interest of most sex tourists especialy via the internet tour groups now under so much attack such as bao, gunter's group etc.

the founder of bao (big apple orientel) fighting criminal charges for sex tourism in the u.s. is using my article with politititions in the u.s. trying to head off more anti trafficking laws that include consenting adult sexuality trying to make it a u.s. crime to do even in a country where its all legal and nothing to do with children or women forced into prostitution

[Tiger 888]

What is all this child crap reported by Bangkok Post etc?
Just go to the photo gallery and see the today's pictures. -
Update: They were deleted by the admin.

[Shamas]

Dave, the media will report what they want to report, irrespective of the facts. Note that the story which quotes the ISG thread makes absolutely no claim that the ISG discussion ever so much as mentions children, only a conversation about an encounter which would involve adults at the airport, or dealing with the logistics of airport traffic. What they were decrying was the mere existence of this resource at all, even though it was being used for consensual encounters between adults. They in the press made a link between adults involved in consensual commercial sex, and the exploitation of children which was, at the very most, a tenuous link of coincidence, and in fact showed no actual evidence of that linkage, and the authors were almost apologetic over that lack of evidence in the story.

The fact is, John Mark Karr WAS in Thailand, and pretty much everyone knows WHY he was in Thailand. Eventually, that bit of tawdry news will get stale. The good news is that he no longer is, and it was cooperation between the Thai legal system and the U.S. that got him removed. All that WE can do is insure that our own forum never tolerates the exploitation of children, and that we as individuals steer clear of such heinous behavior, and confine ourselves to interactions with people who are old enough to fully comprehend their actions, and free enough to control their own behavior and the people that they meet, for reasons of their own choosing.

The news media "as a rule of thumb" will not knowingly lie but and I mean BUT they will sensationalize, blow out of proportion, color, mask and avoid anything that takes away from their story line.

The old adage, don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see because there is always another side of the story. The news media isn't what it was 40 years ago.

Shamas O'D

[Evil Penivel]

this fr is based on a late-night excursion in january, 2006. i'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read.

evil


an odd set of circumstances put me in a cab at 1.30 a.m. on a monday morning, heading down sukhumvit road to the parking lot of the nana hotel. about seven hours earlier i had stretched out on my comfortable bed at the town lodge hotel and turned on the tv to catch up with what was happening in the world. however, the effects of jet lag and two days of heavy partying bkk style caught up with me and i drifted off into much needed sleep.

normally, i set things up for l/t companionship ahead of arriving in los, but fate had conspired against me this time. my long-time favorite, gina, had recently quit the eden club and was doing escort. she said via email that a customer was taking her traveling for several weeks, so she was already booked except for one night of my bkk stay. she'd also emailed me she'd taken back her previous working name, gaow (aka mistress gaow) and i had been tempted to greet her with a hearty "how now, brown gaow!" when i met up with her at glow on the previous saturday night, but i kept that quip to myself. we had a tremendous session and a lot of fun reminiscing about old times, but i wouldn't be able to see her beyond that night. (note:gina recently returned to the eden club.)

i could also only get one night with another of my eden favorites because she was going "on holiday," so i had to think of alternatives. my plan for the evening had been to spend a few hours in toxic at the tl and possibly barfine one of the very attractive young ladies had the chemistry proved right. a visit to the eden club and making new acquaintances there was my back-up plan. but by 1.00 a.m., both toxic and eden were closed, so i showered quickly and set out for that never-fail option, the nana hotel.

if lower sukhumvit road is the mecca of mongering, then the parking lot of the nana hotel is the kaaba, the holiest of holies, the place to which every true monger is bound to make a pilgrimage once in his lifetime. i prefer to do my hobbying under more organized circumstances and have never actually taken a lady from the nana car park itself. but it's always an entertaining place to visit, sort of people watching gone bizarre. it's the entire thailand p4p experience - the good and the bad - stripped of any pretense and reduced to its barest.

traffic was thick on sukhumvit road and i jumped out of the cab about even with the landmark hotel. i immediately encountered three totally sloshed young men, two of whom were supporting the third. they didn't look old enough to have been legally served at any bar in europe or north america, but obviously hadn't met with such problems in bkk. the least intoxicated of the trio asked me where sukhumvit road was. i stood well clear of them, as the semi-comatose one looked like he'd projectile vomit at any second. tender thai temptresses, not tipsy teenage tossers, were my concern, so i pointed them in the direction from which i'd just come and moved past them. they were in any case beyond comprehending the spoken word and stumbled off in a drunkard's version of a three-legged race.

i hadn't even gotten to the corner of soi 4 and already the sidewalk was packed with punters and providers. the night was very humid and the air was still. the essence of wet pussy - well lubricated of course - is so palpable over the lower suk that it almost sticks to your skin. hundreds are buying, hundreds are selling, and everything for blocks around is driven by that simple equation.

as i turn into soi 4, i see an elephant in the street about level with the entrance to nana car park. a drunk middle-aged farang, jumbo-sized himself, is trying to hug the elephant around the neck while his buddies take pictures. that's pretty standard los tourist fare, but then he begins to nuzzle and lick the elephant's ear, an image i could have lived without. i dodge taxis and tuk-tuks to cross the street to avoid a closer encounter. i was a bit afraid that one night the noise and confusion would become too much for the poor beast and it would lash out at anyone nearby. with its size and weight, it could do considerable damage should it get out of control. i'm talking about the farang now - the elephant was enduring the whole thing with buddha-like calm.

the street and sidewalks, as well as the bars dotting soi 4, are jammed with people. young, old, thai, farang, beautiful, hideous, drunk, sober and drugged, the standard los mix. i fend off the three or four lady boys lined up beside the entrance to the car park. girls are standing shoulder to shoulder on the steps of golden bar outside the hotel, but the scene in the lot is thinner. some very attractive ladies are plying their trade, obviously nep bar girls who haven't hooked up earlier or are back for another round. at that point i'm feeling more peckish than peckerish, so i passed up all the inviting looks and "hello, sir" greetings. i stepped into the nana coffee shop for a bite to eat and a few minutes of relief from the heat, pollution and intensity of the scene outside.

but before sitting down, i checked out the lobby area. like on earlier occasions, i noticed several quite elderly gentlemen sitting on the sofas near the reception desk. i've often wanted to talk with these patriarchs of the punter tribe, but can never figure out a way to strike up a conversation. i also have mixed feelings every time i see them. if i make it to 80 years of age - an outside chance at best - i certainly hope i have somewhere better to be at 2.00 a.m. in the morning than the lobby of the nana hotel. on the other hand, it sure the hell beats 9.00 p.m. mandatory bedtime at a retirement home in miami or on long island. so all power to you, gentlemen, and a very respectful tip of the evil pen.

i went back to the coffee shop and took a seat at a table by the window from which i can watch the merry goings-on outside. a few indian guys were more or chasing girls up and down the lot. they weren't having much luck - the girls were all moving away as fast as they could - but the guys were nevertheless smiling and appeared to be enjoying themselves. in the nightly pussy pursuit along the suk, the indian punters are pretty much naan-starters.

i did hear of one tg who became enamored of a good-looking, wealthy young indian man and wanted to marry him, but didn't like performing oral sex on him because his hygiene was so poor. from his side, he wouldn't consider a long-term relationship, much less marriage, if it didn't include blowjobs. the tg realized how difficult it would be to have her kaek and eat it too.

but the indian guys and the methuselahs of mongering in the lobby weren't the only nana examples of hope beating eternal in the human breast. a young spinner bg, dressed in a belly shirt and shorts, suddenly appeared directly outside the window where i was sitting, surveyed the lot, then sat on the curb. she proceeded to pull from her handbag a pair of glasses with the biggest and thickest lenses i've ever seen and began reading a book. the illustration on the cover indicated it was a romance novel of some kind. the parking lot at nana has to be one of the least romantic places in thailand, if not the world, but here she was, seeking at least a few moments of escape from the bump and grind of the nep life. no doubt a farang, probably twice her age and three times her weight, would soon be contracting for her services, but until then, she could dream of a love affair the likes of which she'd never experience for real.

on that depressing note, i finished my plate of noodles, called my check and settled my bill. when i looked out the window again, the spinner was gone. as i was taking the last sips of my beer, i noticed one those guys who give mongers a bad name, which takes a bit of doing in the nana car park. he was caucasian, but i have no idea where he was from.

he approached the girls as though he were judging cattle at a state fair. he looked them over from tip to toe, his eyes lingering on their breasts and groins. he felt the girls' asses to see if they were firm enough and tried to lift their blouses, apparently in search of stretch marks. i couldn't hear anything that was going on, but i imagined he wasn't offering to pay generously. most agreements are reached quickly in the nana lot, but this guy was talking at length with the girls one by one and they would, in turn, all shake their heads “no.”

it was obvious the girls, especially the cuter ones towards the center of the lot, were peeved by this jerk's behavior. i'm sure he thought he was being very clever and was determined not to be cheated by any bg, but he came across as the worst kind of fool. behavior that's appropriate inside a go go bar isn't acceptable outside when dozens of people are watching. i kept hoping one of the girls would slap him, but that's not their way. they just backed off and kept him at bay with words or gestures.

i decided to exit nana and look elsewhere for after-hours action - it's not hard to find girls on the lower suk anytime after 8.00 p.m. until at least 6.00 a.m. while the focus of activity remains the nana car park and outlying beer bars, the wee-hours commerce in **** spills over with a vengeance all up and down sukhumvit road between soi 1 and soi 33. bangkok is often likened to a sexual theme park, with rides and attractions for everyone. the budget-minded as well as the big spenders can find something to suit their tastes. street vendors and fold-up sidewalk eateries do a roaring business, but it's the sale of tail that holds the whole thing together.


part 2 to follow

[Dudeck]

This Is A Massive Long Shot But Is Anyone Familiar With A Girl Called Jai Who Used To Work In Spice Girls In Soi Cowboy 2005.

She Spent 6 Months In Isaan Nursing Her Mum While She Passed Away. Another Tragic Country Girl Story. She Was Without Exception And Still Is An Extremely Glamarous Women.

I Saw Her In April And Suggested That She Get A Job In 7/11 Or Anywhere Back There As Hypocritical As That Is Of Me, Which She Surprisingly Did, But She Then Disappeared Again.

She's More Than Likely Doing What She Did, So Thought I'd Post This Message With You Pests Just On The Off Chance! Tatoo On Left Breast And Left Arm. She Is Stunning.

Please Excuse Capitals As Button Jammed.

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

[Spider11]

Tiger,

That one set of photos is being discussed on other message boards with references to sending them to the police, etc. etc. Thank goodness they were deleted.

[Taz Marine]

Wow, I felt like I was there. I can't wait for Part 2! I've read about Gina before, maybe it was a story you posted in the past, something about being sick and Gina taking care of you? Anyway, I will be there soon and since my flight lands at 11pm that first night will be the Nana parking lot. Eden's will be the next day.

[Tono59]

My first trip to LOS begins in just two days. I've read, reread as many posts as I could for the last couple of months. I just hope I can keep all my facts straight -- watch, I'll pay 1500bht for a beer and expect to get LT for 150bht -- I've got too much info.

I'll try to post some reports during the days, and I hope I can give back as much as I've gotten from these boards.

Thanks all.

[William Tellhk]

Friday 2pm I called up my mate and told him that it would be not a bad idea to go for a BKK ST Trip until Sunday. Get online, book flight and hotel and by 6pm we were on the plane to LOS.

Arriving in BKK at 8 PM was a new one for us but turned out to be good as traffic was excellent and we hit out hunting grounds (aka Hotel) by about 8:45pm. (Immigration was smooth as always, at least for us)

Check in, and not wasting time we headed to Country Road in Soi Cowboy. Friendly greeting by the manager and the girls. Of course we ordered some food, Beef Salad etc while downing Singhas in a steady but rather fast pace. Pool, Beer and ladies, heaven. My chick Bee was there and my mate was teaming up with Tuk Ta (the gal in my photo gallery post). Nice chatting and playing pool, time is moving quickly. We enjoyed the band, and the rather annoying, drunk, tourist singers who thought they could race up the charts by singing “My Way” in a completely wrong tune. But who cares? We are in LOS and that’s what counts.

Around 1am, the bar was closing and, as usual, we moved outside and “enjoyed” a Thai hot pot (the gals ordered) and several (27 to be exact) Tequilas ! Not a good idea…but hey…fun anyway. By about 3 am we decide to go back to the hotel, arm in arm with the ladies. My mate is hitting the room with Tuk Ta and me with Bee. Being rock hard and horny as hell, we don’t wait long and start kissing and soon enough raincoat is on and there we go, fucking away. I assumed my mate is doing a similar thing. Being able to finish in timely manner (It can take hours when the alcohol level is high) we start the normal, fucking, shower, sleep, fucking, shower, sleep cycle. You surely all know what I am talking about. It is in BKK where I probably take my record amount of showers in one night!!
I am already looking forward to the morning, as there usually the head is clear and fucking is even better. Well, I am, as most men, a morning-guy. Wake up, hard-on and here we go humping away (me with headache as I am hung-over) until I suddenly recognize that there is something wrong. FUCK, I am shagging her ass!!! I am absolutely not into this and pull out immediately. She just grinning at me with a sneaky smile…weird huh? I was thinking, gee that pussy is FUCKING tight, tighter than last night but there you have it.
Ok, around 10 am it is time for her to leave. 2000bath and she is gone. I am surely going to miss her as she is absolutely GFE! A nice gal which is a lot of fun, truly!

So I call up my mate and see if his “sex toy” has left also. He just asks me to come over to his “loom”, so I do. He doesn’t look very happy. As a matter of fact: He looks TOO RELAXED. He tells me that Tuk Ta left after about 2 hrs when they got to the room. She had to help friend, who didn’t have a key, to open the door or some sorry excuse like that. Well that’s not nice. He is rather pissed off and says he is still fucking horny.

So off we go, heading for Soi 7 to play some pool and then lunch next door and then a beer or 2 in the BG. Then my mate went off to his favorite Massage place in Soi 7/1 and I head back to Country Road to play pool with a gal named Naa. Nice chick but cant speak English, but then again what do I care?
Around 5pm my mate is back and Bee and Tuk Ta are there too. My mate is determined to “correct” yesterday’s failure with Tuk Ta and get things sorted out with her back in the hotel tonight. We bar fine them at about 8 pm then head to NANA as they would like to see the clubs there (which we thought is rather weird) then headed on for some drinks in several bars (Gulliver’s was off limit as they are 19 only).

Around 11pm back in the hotel and me heading to my “loom” with Bee and my mate to his with Tuk Ta. I told him to call me if she fails him again and so we could go and hunt some other gals. I hear nothing from him, so I keep on humping Bee while watching football. She likes football very much and we decided to fuck and try to time ourselves with a goal (weird I know).
Anyway, it was a good night of GFE, CIM and regular and weird humping. (Soar knees from the fucked up mattress cover)

We have to catch an early flight on Sunday, so I got up at 6 am already and said bye to Bee. We are both truly sad, but surely will meet again.
Heading over to my mates room I can see Tuk Ta leaving his room with a rather un happy face. Well, at least she stayed overnight, I told myself.
When I see my mate, I can tell things are fucked up again. He finally told me she was terrible in bed. Didn’t move, not even look at him. Passive as hell and dead as a fish. How can someone fuck somebody like that, I do not blame my mate to be upset. Apparently she always wanted him to fuck her in the ass and when he tried to enter her pussy she would try to divert his dick into her ass. Sorry, but we DON’T LIKE this. Anal is not our thing.

Then heading to airport and back home.
Next trip my mate has much to be compensated of and I am sure he will be, so no worries.

[Lovesnihon]

Evil, just a short note to say that was beyond amazing. A great read.

LN

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]This FR is based on a late-night excursion in January, 2006. I'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read.

[1Ball]

My first trip to LOS begins in just two days. I've read, reread as many posts as I could for the last couple of months. I just hope I can keep all my facts straight -- watch, I'll pay 1500bht for a beer and expect to get LT for 150bht -- I've got too much info.

I'll try to post some reports during the days, and I hope I can give back as much as I've gotten from these boards.

Thanks all.
Tono, we all wish you luck, and BTW, funny first post. Nice to see you have done some homework. That is the way it should be.
We are looking forward to reading about your adventures.

[Dudeck]

This Is A Massive Long Shot But Is Anyone Familiar With A Girl Called Jai Who Used To Work In Spice Girls In Soi Cowboy 2005.

She Spent 6 Months In Isaan Nursing Her Mum While She Passed Away. Another Tragic Country Girl Story. She Was Without Exception And Still Is An Extremely Glamarous Women.

I Saw Her In April And Suggested That She Get A Job In 7/11 Or Anywhere Back There As Hypocritical As That Is Of Me, Which She Surprisingly Did, But She Then Disappeared Again.

She's More Than Likely Doing What She Did, So Thought I'd Post This Message With You Pests Just On The Off Chance! Tatoo On Left Breast And Left Arm. She Is Stunning.

Please Excuse Capitals As Button Jammed.

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

JacksonApologies, but explained in last sentence caps button jammed, however when submitted only first letter came out jammed, very odd.

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Hi Dudeck,

Wth all due respect, you're in Bangkok You can probably buy a new keyboard at Pantip Plaza for less than $5 USD.

Stick a crowbar in your wallet and go buy a new keyboard.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Daddy07]

Aboslutely great piece of writing, Evil. I can hardly wait to experience it all for myself.

Daddy

[1Ball]

Apologies, but explained in last sentence caps button jammed, however when submitted only first letter came out jammed, very odd.

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Hi Dudeck,

Wth all due respect, you're in Bangkok You can probably buy a new keyboard at Pantip Plaza for less than $5 USD.

Stick a crowbar in your wallet and go buy a new keyboard.

Thanks,

Jackson
Jackson, normally your posts are severe and reprimanding.
Funniest thing I have ever read from you. :D

[Phantomtiger2]

Since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.
For all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from ISG, here 's the latest:
John Karr didnt kill JB Ramsey. DNA didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in Colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT

[Track Cabbage]

Is been a few years since I was in Bangkok , Is Eden still good or are there better similar type places now?

Regards,

Longgun

[One Tree Hill]

Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH

[Mianbao]

hi all,

taking a break from shanghai for a few days in bangkok, and there is certainly a lot to see and do!

spent the first afternoon walking around shopping malls such as the mbk center. seeing what was walking around i could not stop thinking what quantity and quality would be on the menu if i stayed here and could use thai to exercise my freebie pickup skills. however i am not and can’t, so following the well posted path to some p4p locations will be it for me.

wanting a variety of experiences while here, first stop on the quick p4p tour was [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) off sukhumvit soi 8. the girls were all sitting outside, and not realizing that there were none instead i walked past and sat down at the bar. a fugly then followed me in and sat down, at which point i had to awkwardly say no thanks and poke my head back outside to pick someone a bit more acceptable. unfortunately that was a bit of a challenge, as the quality on display was somewhat lacking. picked one with a barely passable body but a cute face, considering this place is bj only i thought it wasn’t the end of the world.

went upstairs and sat down on the black seating behind some curtains, soles of the feet of a couple of girls sticking out from a couple of other sections of curtain and slurping noises contributing to the ‘atmosphere’. was told to take off shoes and pants, obviously they have had a couple of runners in the past. what followed was quite a professional style of service. they would do themselves a lot of favours in terms repeat business if they told the girls to sit down and put their arm around customers for a couple of minutes of gfe feeling either before or after the act. instead the production line style service meant i won’t be back next time i am in bangkok, i can get better service from a much hotter girl for the same price in shanghai. 700baht plus pressured into 100baht tip which i should not have given.

then went back to the famous giottos lodge for a power nap before having a drink in the poolside bar. owner of the establishment kindly pointed out which soi cowboy bars are rated a bit higher, and that the map i have printed out is obviously a bit dated! following my drink i headed out, and first walked up and down the bar street taking trying to take it all in.

first stop was long gun, and was greeted with the sight of about 20 fully naked girls ‘dancing’ on stage. well not really dancing, kind of like swaying from side to side to the sound of music. quality was rather mixed, some quite hot but others with a reasonable amount of natural padding. all were staring into space or checking themselves out in the adjacent mirror, surprisingly little amount of eye contact during the 40 minutes or so i was there. two different girls took the initiative to come and sit next with me. i wasn’t very interested in the first one so didn’t bother with conversation or eye contact, and she soon left. i spoke a bit with the second one but language was a problem, and i also felt a bit cornered. the bar was pretty full and i was starting to get stuck in the back row with this girl, without much chance of looking around. i therefore left and walked to the other end of the street.

second destination was shark bar. there were a similar number of girls here dancing/prancing around poles, this time with clothing but of a most agreeable body hugging see through nature. the atmosphere was a lot less ‘in your face’, as there were not many customers, so plenty of opportunity to sit where i liked and take my time. it was not long before a girl who wasn’t dancing at the time came and sat down, however she soon got the picture that i wasn’t that interested, and she asked me who i did like. there was no need to ask really as i had already established eye contact and had a smiling thing going on with a cute face/nice body that had caught my attention, so when the dancing shift changed the non interesting one went to dance and my target came to sit down. i think that establishing a rapport is important before bar-fining anyone, however in this regard i am somewhat limited here due to my complete lack of thai language skills. we seemed to be doing ok so the 500baht bar fine exited my pocket and off to find a taxi we went.

after providing some food (a good investment when in manila but maybe thai girls don’t appreciate this as much?) went back to my room. discovered a lack of understanding or enthusiasm about in room jacuzzi, if it was earlier in the evening i would have insisted on a soak however i was suffering from a very short sleep on my way to bangkok so decided that heading straight to bed was a better option anyway. after my standard five positions or so i had had enough, and needed to sleep. chances of releasing a load were also not helped by her apparent feeling of doing her duty rather than showing any real enthusiasm. however when giving up, she seemed quite disappointed, and wanted to keep going until i finished. she then spent the next five minutes pressuring me to give her my phone number, however i did not come to bangkok to hump dead fish (albeit ones who insist on finishing) and i was confused by her lack of enthusiasm but otherwise gfe appearance and desire to stay in touch. things therefore started to die and rather than staying to morning i half let her leave/half pushed her out the door, and paid in full considering she had agreed to continue and it was basically my decision not to.

to be continued tomorrow…

[Traveler1234]

Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH

SuperSport, one of the cable networks historically does a 1-2 games a week, live late at night with replay next day. However, they have not finalized agreement for this season, YET.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi BKK sports fans,

Any suggestions for watching College and pro football in BKK? I have ESPN but not the American one. ESPN Gameplan Online only offers the crap games for college.

Any advice from those in the know will be much appreciated. Thanks. OTH

to one tree hill



Most hotel with cable get ESPN asia or star sport they will have the ESPN monday night and sunday night game live will be on tv early in the morning
bkk time ,Some hotel bar also have it but no college game.


fast eddie 48

[Yi Ren]

<...>Owner of the establishment kindly pointed out which Soi Cowboy bars are rated a bit higher, and that the map I have printed out is obviously a bit dated! Following my drink I headed out, and first walked up and down the bar street taking trying to take it all in.
One place my visitors seem to enjoy is Bacara for the see-thru dance floor and antics upstairs.

After providing some food (a good investment when in Manila but maybe Thai girls don’t appreciate this as much?)

Just watch out: some TGs will drag you off to a high-priced seafood place.


Chances of releasing a load were also not helped by her apparent feeling of doing her duty rather than showing any real enthusiasm.

This is a scenario I have experienced more and more lately in BKK, much to my chagrine, since I live here. :( The other city you mention above has been the source of much better mongering for me, lately, I'm sad to say.

To be continued tomorrow…
Hope you have better luck tomorrow!

Cheers,
-Y

[Brain666]

....
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT
So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
Some of the guys in the US will not come over to Thailand anymore and due to the lack of customers the going rate for the rest of us will go down?

Probably the opposite might happen, I am afraid. Even the last countryside monger dreaming US guy, already a long time feeling bored by the lack of attractive women at home in combination with high unjustified demands, will probably notice from Nancy Grace report, that it's time to ckeck this Evil Place out personally.
So we have to expect rather an inflation of US guys then a lack. Going rate will go up.
Is there any paper in Wallstreet to buy, which prevents me from that, like I usually secure my oil bills from going up?

regards
Brain666

[Yi Ren]

So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
<...>
Short-term, a few will stay away, but in the big picture, I would bet the impact will be minimal.

Long-term, this is the oldest avocation in the human condition - it's not going away because of some bad publicity generated by a delusional pervert.

Cheers,
-Y

[Evil Penivel]

Is been a few years since I was in Bangkok , Is Eden still good or are there better similar type places now?

Regards,

Longgun

Eden is as good or better as its always been. The rooms within the Club itself have been renovated and the outside rooms at the nearby hotel are used only during periods of peak demand. Last time I was there (late June 2006), there were plenty of new and attractive faces. The concept remains the same- one guy, two or more ladies for the 90-minute inhouse sessions, overnight and L/T takeaway sessions are available with just one lady if you so prefer. The price has increased slightly for inhouse sessions - it's now 1,800B per lady, up from 1,750B. Overnight is unchanged at 3,000B.

In terms of the quality of service and value for money, Eden is unsurpassed. If you're comparing apples to apples, there's no other establishment like it in Bangkok, but an Eden Club will be opening in November in Pattaya.

One reminder - the Eden Club is a brothel, not a drinking bar, go go or MP. If you prefer P4P in those environments, then you're probably better served elsewhere in the Suk area.

The Eden ladies are very popular, get there at 12.40 p.m. if you want the biggest possible choice.

Evil

[Mingman]

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance

[Phantomtiger2]

So what does that mean for the supply and demand market?
Some of the guys in the US will not come over to Thailand anymore and due to the lack of customers the going rate for the rest of us will go down?


regards
Brain666

Long term implications : but not to worry too much as Thai economy depends on our form of "package tourism"--as Nancy Grace puts it. So, should return to normal after all this news blows over (hopefully). Not so much as how we pay for the P4P with the ladies, but all the other money--hotel rentals, food, restaurants etc . that provides the money to power the economy. Indirectly, the govt knows alot more of our money pays for Non-P4P salaries also.

Short term: With all the spotlight on LOS, there will be more "sting" operations to catch all the criminals praying on the young innocents. But with all focus on the sex trade in general, all mongering activity will be under the microscope.
Maybe alot more non-govt (perhaps Christian groups) will set up permanent bases to close down local operations (dont believe me, just see whats happening in Cambodia--Phnon Penh--they are so paranoid there but with good reason, that information posted even here on ISG resulted in closing of brothels by police and NGOs).
So short term, maybe a slowing of traffic to LOS as even people I work with (they dont know I'm a monger) say the word Bangkok with vile and distaste. Now the mere mention of visiting BKK by any male and immediately they all compare you with John Karr.
So if you were careful in the past checking gals ages, suggest you double or triple that effort now.
--IMO


PT

[Lightfinger]

I'll be in BKK and Pattaya mid-September.

Id' like to buy sex DVD and book. Is there any kind of sex-shops around where I could find this? Where?

Thanx

[Priamos]

One reminder - the Eden Club is a brothel, not a drinking bar, go go or MP. If you prefer P4P in those environments, then you're probably better served elsewhere in the Suk area. The Eden ladies are very popular, get there at 12.40 p.m. if you want the biggest possible choice.

Oho! Now I understand what I did wrong. I once commented on this board on my first and only experience in Eden, which I found agreeable but far from justifying all the hype. The problem apparently was, I went there around 4.30 pm believing that I'd be one of the first clients of the day. (The Nana area had barely woken up yet...) The selection of girls was, well, OK... next, I was shipped off to a neighbouring hotel and the girls I'd picked turned out to be open (!) to anything but a bit rushed and mechanistic in their approach ("now you use dildo!"; lie down, I'll suck you!"; "now you f**k her a**!"...).

Apparently I simply hit their busy period. The best girls were taken, the others were in a bit of a hurry.

[Mianbao]

I can verify that Eden is still going strong. Went there yesterday afternoon, a good lineup was offered. The pickings from the left were quite lean, fortunately I am not into anal anyway and the lineup on the right was impressive. I picked a darker looking girl (looked almost Indian to me), and let her pick a friend. The friend she picked was a bit short and with some extra natural padding, however had a cute face and nice rack so I did not complain. I assume in most cases a better ‘show’ will be on offer if you let the first girl pick the second one.

The lesbian action turned out to be quite limited however, a bit of dildo f%^king and that was it. Did not have time to complain however, as they spent all of the time paying attention to me. I won’t go into too many details as this place has been covered in depth before. It was worth doing once as something different, and as an experience it was better than average. It didn’t really rock my world however, and am not too upset that as I am leaving Bangkok tomorrow I don’t really have time to go back.

Following Eden I went back to the hotel for a nap, and then downstairs to the bar (Livingstones) to sample the in-house goods. After a couple of lady drinks I bar fined the one that had chose me, and headed upstairs. I was a bit hesitant to bar fine this one as most of the conversation/warming up period in the bar was initiated by me, and we fell to silence at other times. She was a very nice and attractive girl however and she seemed as good a bet as any. Once upstairs I was not to be disappointed, however once again it was a better than average rather than life changing experience.

One more night left therefore and as I write this am considering options. In my experience a second round with the same girl is often better than the first, as the girl will appreciate you coming back and is more comfortable with you. Therefore three options, one is the short trip downstairs, another is to take above mentioned girl from Eden outside (if she is not busy), and third to expand the number of Go-Go bars I have been to beyond the current two…

Final night, impressions of Bangkok, and a mention in the Giotto thread to follow…

[Member #3409]

Oho! Now I understand what I did wrong. I once commented on this board on my first and only experience in Eden, which I found agreeable but far from justifying all the hype. The problem apparently was, I went there around 4.30 pm believing that I'd be one of the first clients of the day. (The Nana area had barely woken up yet...) The selection of girls was, well, OK... next, I was shipped off the the neighbouring hotel and the girls I'd picked turned out to be open (!) to anything but a bit rushed and mechanistic in their approach ("now you use dildo!"; lie down, I'll suck you!"; "now you f**k her a**!"...).

Apparently I simply hit their busy period. The best girls were taken, the others were in a bit of a hurry.

Well yes and no. Eden is ok and is different, but would agree it doesn't quite meet the expectations you read from all the hype you read. I've been there 3 or 4 times and at different times of the day, inclduing around 2pm one Saturday afternoon. Never had a problem with the selection (never had a problem with anything really), but what I found is the girls have a standard operating procedure and play to that What you have written, such, rim blow. Dildo, less, fuck one, arse fuck the other, maybe some more pussy fucking is the SOP. It is really up to the client to drive things off the SOP and see what you can get out of the girls. That is not quite my style, I am usually uncomfortable with a lady the first time. So in all my times an enjoyable time was had but I have had much better times elsewhere and in much different enviroments.

[Rambis Youth]

If two girls are you're thing then I think Eden is worth a look. What you do with them is up to you. I had two girls from the left but didn't bother with anal. They did a bit of girl on girl stuff but I was happy to have their attention most of the time.

The girls were very friendly and at 1pm on a Fridat there were about 20 to chose from. I'll probably go back next time I'm in town.

[Daddy07]

[quote=mianbao]

"went upstairs and sat down on the black seating behind some curtains, soles of the feet of a couple of girls sticking out from a couple of other sections of curtain and slurping noises contributing to the ‘atmosphere’."

excellent report, mianbao. i think i might like the more refined 'ambiance" of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.

daddy

[Yin Yang]

As a recent first time visitor to Eden, I agree with the last few posts on the subject: Eden is a special place and it (only) is the right place if you know what you are looking for. The reception is friendly and professional, although it is a bit irritating to see the hottest girls entering the bar being immediately snatched away through pre-bookings (but that's not too different from other places, I guess). The line-up is ok, some even quite attractive (mainly on the "right" side), considering the special service you receive.

Depending on how picky you are, the usual method that the girl chosen by you chooses her friend might work - or it might not. For me it didn't, because my girl chose a friend who was very friendly but not my type. The girls go out of their way to please you, but as remarked before: Unless you put in some effort, the also run a kind of standard routine that will not impress those (like myself) who like the GFE part the most. I wouldn't want to have missed the Eden experience, but at least for the time being it seems like one of those experiences for which it is most important to have made them at all (at least once).

[Gwailo]

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance

I've never been there but Soi 33 is more upscale than the average go-go. I've heard the girls aren't really any better, just dressed nicer.

[Gwailo]

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance

I forgot to mention the model lounges in high end massage parlors.

[Traveler1234]

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advance

A couple options come to mind:

Soi 33 has a row of bars, if you want 'quiet' bar with good girls - Monet is my suggestion. BF 1500, ST-LT 2-3K, negotiate. A couple of other places but some are noisier than others and a quite a few a rip-off joints if you don't know your prices and operating procedures.

Another good place, very low key, slightly noisier is the famous Livingston Lodge, aka Giotto Lodge(has separate thread) also on Soi 33 - his sports bar located in the hotel is small, cozy and maybe a comfortable place to start. Introduce yourself to the owner and tell him T1234 said hello...you might even get a free drink (Mr. G??). Similar prices, ask Mr. G and he'll give you straight scoop.

Some of the MP has the side-line girls, the only one I know is Long Beach on Rama IX Rd, next to Radisson hotel .... but this place might be further away from you. They have separate lounge for drinks, food, live music and good looking side-liners, from 3500-6000 Baht. An absolute beauty is Minnie (Joy) but keep in mind sideliners service 'usually' isn't comparable to fish bowl Overall ambiance and service is excellent (do search for my posts for details).

Another is Entertainment Complex, next to Cupidity (stay away from this place) - they have upstairs models section but haven't been in some time.

Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.

last resort - pm 'Giotto' or better yet, go to "Places to Avoid" thread and see my listing for his place - lots of stuff in it but worth skimming through.

[Mianbao]

Last night in Bangkok and I am wondering why on earth I had to choose the last night and not the first to go to Nana Plaza! I think I died and went to heaven! This is one place you need to check out while in Bangkok...

Apologies that I was too much in a trance state to actually remember the names of all the bars I checked out. First one was Hollywood on the ground floor. A number of tall and slim but well endowed hotties in here. One in particular caught my attention, and I bought her a couple of bar drinks. Was tempted to bar fine her there and then but the night was still young and I had three floors to check out. I knew there was a likelihood she would be taken by the time I got back but considering the total selection in this place probably runs into the hundreds it would not be the end of the world.

Managed to successfully run the gauntlet of ladyboys on the second and third floor (not my scene) and went into a bar on the third floor which was two levels, with a glass floor and the dancers not wearing underwear. Regulars to Nana will no doubt know which bar I am talking about. Coming on stage the girls had loosely buttoned white blouses on, but they soon came off revealing Janet Jackson style stars. One of the girls was unbelieveably cute, with a terrific little bod. Had to buy her a lady drink, and upon being informed that there were rooms upstairs just could not wait. Until now I have been regretting that Bangkok is not Manila, however the enthusiasm, fun nature and energy level of this adorable cutie was sensational. Gave her 1500baht for her efforts and she well earned it.

The night was still young and noticed that another bar on the same side of the third floor had "Hollywood Strip" in neon. Therefore excitedly went in thinking that there would be girls inside stripping. Unfortunately after I had already ordered a drink I realised it was not the case, a double shame as the dancing girls inside were mega hot and it would have been a terrific show if they were. The only thing stopping me from bar fining one immediately was the fact that I'd just come out of a private room. Ah too many opportunities...

Made my way back down to first floor Hollywood to see if the original hottie was still there, and as suspected she was gone. Another absolute stunner caught my eye, however I was too slow and a Japanese punter wearing what appeared to be a pyjama top and with what really should be an illegal hairstyle (it really was bad - no offense to other Japanese citizens here) bought her a drink. Therefore no alternative but to buy a drink for hottie number three, and after a fair amount of time barfined her (after persuading her for a LT, which she originally was not keen on). No sooner had bar fine been paid then the Japanese gentleman with his bad hair day walked out, leaving the one I would have really prefered free. Aaargh!

Hopped in a taxi back to Soi 33, and pulled up at hotel. And who was sitting at the entrance? None other than very sweet girl who I had bar fined from on site bar the previous evening. Unimpressed look from her, and cue feelings of guilt and regret...

Therefore one quick round of boom boom in room, and despite killer body and promise of LT I then kicked her out. Call me soft, but the sweetie from the previous night was in the back of my mind. One of the main benefits of P4P is the lack of commitment, however working girls are human too and I would prefer to contribute to the idea that not all of us guys are careless pussy hunters, even if some or most of us are!

Cheers,

Mianbao.

[Giotto]

To all the Thai experts here.

I am going to treat my business clients in BKK in mid-Sept. Since this is business and budget is not an issue.

We want to meet really top end girls in better establishments. Preferable the place is comfortable so we can have some business chats while choosing girls.

Thank You in advanceMingman,

Clubs/Discos: Spasso, Riva, Pegasus, Forte.

Hostess Bars in Soi 33: Monet, Renoir, Office Bar, Livingstone's.


Giotto

[Fox Two]

Mingman,

Clubs/Discos: Spasso, Riva, Pegasus, Forte.

Hostess Bars in Soi 33: Monet, Renoir, Office Bar, Livingstone's.

GiottoGiotto,

He said, "really top end girls in better establishments". What's Livingstone's doing on your list?

Just kidding! BTW, what was the name of that place that runs in the range of 10,000 BHT and more for a girl?

Cheers!

Fox Two

[Yi Ren]

A couple options come to mind:
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Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.
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It's been a while, but the last time I was there, Pegasus girls would go out. Lounge area on the ground floor, girl selection upstairs. If you aren't familiar, it might not be apparent there are 3 different catagories: used to be, the "models" were on the right just after coming upstairs, "B" just past them and "C" across.

I was considering membership at one time, but I'm not in town often enough to justify it.

Good luck,
-Y

[Abrocket]

Just kidding! BTW, what was the name of that place that runs in the range of 10,000 BHT and more for a girl?Hi guys,

I haven't been here in the forum for ages, was just dropping by to look at some other things and thought I would drop you all a note if you're into bargain shopping. I happened upon this by accident.

I was in BKK a few years ago with my (now) ex gf ... staying at a place called the Bangkok City Inn. It's a couple of blocks from the World Trade Center off of Rajdamri (?) Road. Google it.

Now when we got in the hotel, and it got dark, this constant rock music started up and was going late into the night. Well, I had a short nap, woke up about midnight and wandered over cause I couldn't sleep.

Pretty sure the place was called the "International Club". It was a block away, right at the water taxi stop. (if you look at the map on the hotel website, the club and water taxi stop would be in the lower right corner of it)

In through the front door ... and. Wow. My first experience with a fishbowl. Three tiers of lovely ladies. I just ogled them, and drooled.. and drank a spendy Heine, then back to my gf. Last night in BKK I went over and took in the experience. My gf suggested I get it out of my system. (insert long story about going on prepaid vacations with your already ex-gf here).

The mamasan said to pick a girl, she invite her over to my booth, and we could talk.

After talking with two and sending them back, finally opted for the third one. Very cute, decent English. We walked back to the hotel, three of us had a blast, but then she took off and I gave her 300b tip.

I just wanted you to know that this place is not so spendy as the hot spots and famous clubs you all seem to talk about. There's no disco here, just girls on benches and rooms in the back. I took mine home, so can't say anything about the facilities. It felt more like a place that catered to the local crowd than the tourist traffic. I was the only caucasian in the place.

Just thought I'd pass along the price I was quoted from mamasan:
2000 baht ... for the NIGHT.

Of course you probably need to negotiate/confirm that all night thing with the girl upfront, cause my girl split after a couple hours, but in my case it didn't matter anyway.

Enjoy ;)

[Retired Army]

It's been a while, but the last time I was there, Pegasus girls would go out. Lounge area on the ground floor, girl selection upstairs. If you aren't familiar, it might not be apparent there are 3 different catagories: used to be, the "models" were on the right just after coming upstairs, "B" just past them and "C" across.

I was considering membership at one time, but I'm not in town often enough to justify it.

Good luck,
-Y

Pegasus is a great place; but go early. By early I mean opening time which I believe is 8 p.m. The Chinese, Koreans and Japanese bring in van loads of men around 9 and the quality quickly disappears. If you are not a member you have to pay extra. I was a member for a couple of years before meeting my GF.

[Retired Army]

A couple options come to mind:

Another high end is Pegasus club - but not sure girls will go out with you. Do a search....also near Soi 33 off Sukhumvit.


Pegasus is a little hard to find. Best to check out the web site for the exact location. It's between Suk Soi 23 and 33. A short walk from Soi Cowboy.

[Evil Penivel]

Part 2


This FR is based on a late-night excursion in January, 2006. I'm dividing it into parts to make it easier to read. It will make more sense if you read the parts in order.

Evil


Car park, theme park … haul in some mobile homes and you'd have a trailer park as well. The male white trash population is already in place. The average farang punter, wearing the NEP Neanderthal uniform of sweaty tank top, stained shorts and flip flops, doesn't inspire much in the future of Western civilization. But these guys must have an awesome faith in whatever providence it is that looks after drunks, considering the dozens that I saw stumbling around at 2.00 a.m., looking for trouble with whoever would give it to them. I'm surprised the casualty rate for rolled drunks isn't much higher in Bangkok than it is.

But when I speak of white trash, I'm not referring exclusively to the U.S. down-home, white-bread , good-ole' boy variety. Those guys usually don't travel anywhere a pick-up truck can't take them. Around Nana car park, you're more likely to see white trash from the south of England, Sweden or Germany than Alabama or Mississippi. Who knows, maybe white trashiness is the true human common denominator and the real basis of universal brotherhood? In terms of inherent trashiness, Nana car park still falls short of Pattaya. Not only is Pattaya a formidable seaside resort, it doubles as the capital of the Republic of White Trashistan. There, if a punter has all his tattoos on straight and none of the words misspelled, drinks no more than a six-pack of beer before noon and doesn't eat mashed potatoes with his fingers, he's considered both high society and a sober man. There are numerous exceptions in Pattaya, punters range from teetotaling tradesmen and bashful backpackers to perverted professors and millionaire mongers, but I'm painting a picture in very broad strokes.

Abandoning my philosophical musings and the car park, I headed back towards the Suk in pursuit of pussy. Of course, the Nana car park experience isn't confined to a few square yards adjacent the Nana Hotel. It describes a state of mind - the determination of both providers and punters to reach afters-hours agreements on a free-lance basis - more than a physical place. Every night, even before the bars close at NEP, it spreads throughout the lower Suk.

I hadn't gotten many steps when a pretty young thing blocked my way and tried to interest me in an early–hours tryst. She had a nice smile and spoke English better than most BGs, so it was suggestion at least worth discussing. She wanted 1,500B for S/T, which I though was very reasonable, but the deal was dashed by her insistence on using a nearby hot-sheet hotel. Maybe she hadn't heard of the Town Lodge Hotel and therefore wouldn't go there, or perhaps considered Soi 18 was too far away. I suspected she didn't want to invest too much time in any one punter and hoped to cram in several more customers that night before the cock crowed.

I smiled and moved on, passing the world's most infamous Seven Eleven on my left, then waited at the intersection for the longest red light in the history of traffic control to change. Once across the Suk, I was again accosted by a TG, this one well past 30 and her eyes wild with yaba. She hadn't bathed, or even combed her hair, in a long while.. I've never struck a woman in my life, but if a junkie ho' grabbed my arm like that in New York, I'd be sorely tempted to drop her in her tracks. In Thailand, I'm not on my own turf and therefore subdue my vigilante impulses. I shook my arm free and told her "No!" and put some distance between us. I gave silent thanks to the gods of good health that I'd had the prescience to wear a long-sleeved shirt and had avoided skin-to-skin contact with her. Considering the direction from which she'd come, I wondered how much time she had before wailing the lament of all Soi 3 girls, "I go back my village to die Aids."

The sidewalk is crowded with vendors and hawkers of all descriptions, with a lot of their goods aimed directly at P4P providers rather than tourists. Shoes, belts, lingerie, books and CDs in Thai, the fried bugs in a big glass, none of that could have been very appealing to farang visitors. The girls who'd gotten off work from the Suk's many and varied pussy palaces were spending their hard-earned cash, even though they could get it all cheaper and better if they'd waited to go shopping the next day at a local market. It reminded me of one of the very first P4P experiences I'd ever had in Thailand, back in 1979. After an overnight session with a Patpong bar girl – I think she got 300B – she insisted on immediately spending some it on a pair of earrings from the hotel's gift shop. I had thought the prices were high there even by Western standards and did my souvenir shopping elsewhere.

A lot of the items on display on the Suk were intended for tourists – knickknacks and souvenirs of all sorts – and the number of white-haired ladies bargaining for them at 2.00 a.m. surprised me. I couldn't help wondering what a group of retirees from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was making of the whole scene on the lower Suk. I'm certain the most daring thing many of them had previously done was dancing the Macarena at a wedding reception.

I then encountered another refugee from Soi 3, the semi-legendary Natasha. The story goes she's the widow of a minor Communist Party official from the ex-Soviet Union. He'd been sent to Thailand a few years before the breakup of the Soviet system to supervise a state-run import-export business. Unlike most Soviet-era expats, he wasn't a spook, but had been given the posting abroad as a reward for long service to the Party. He had been accompanied to LOS by a much younger wife, also a perk afforded to Communist officials, along with a few oranges, apples and bananas around Christmas. As a TASS correspondent once told me, pretty girls had been easier to find – and much cheaper – in the Soviet Union than oranges or bananas.

With the end to the Soviet system, he'd lost his job. He didn't have a pension worth mentioning, but didn't want to return to Russia to the uncertainties of post-Soviet life. He managed to support his wife through small ventures of his own for a few years, but that ended when he keeled over dead of a heart attack.
His widow, Natasha, was left stranded in Bangkok with only the most meager means of support. Already past her prime, she turned to prostitution to give herself a better life. But that was 15 years ago and now, in her fifties, she should knitting booties for grand-children, not doing the Sukhumvit stroll.

She has the shape, if not the stature of an American football center. Her skin is blotchy and she has oddly mismatched facial features that make me think of a hobbit or one of those Scandinavian troll dolls. If American-style football ever caught on in Middle Earth, she could play center for the Shire's pro team. With a shudder, I moved past her.

I've seen Sukhumvit Road very late at night many, many times and the crowds never cease to amaze me. The fold-up eating places are always jam-packed, making it impossible to pass in more than single file. As I passed Soi 5, I saw a farang in his twenties sitting splay-legged on the curb, a puddle of puke in front of him, the product of his night's drinking. He's weaving like he's going to fall over at any moment His Thai GF, or least companion for the night, was responding to the situation by wiping his forehead with a cloth. Talk about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic! A six-foot guy is about to go bow down in his own vomit and his girl is mopping his brow.

A had a feeling he was from somewhere on the Anglo-American continuum, but whether it was New Zealand or New Jersey, I had no idea. Anyway, he deserved more assistance than he was getting.

"Is he O.K.? Do you need any help?" I asked the girl. I figured we could prop him up, or at least lay him flat so he wouldn't be rolling in the gutter in his own puke.

The girl looked up at me and answered, "You go away now."

Sure, sweetheart, up to you, I heard myself say inside my head, but I just remained silent. I wondered for a moment if she was worried I make a play for her once her cavalier had sunk into unconsciousness or whether she had more nefarious plans, like relieving him of his wallet. It's not always possible to be a Good Samaritan, so I rejoined the throng of people moving up the Suk.

I was taken aback by the spillover from Soi 3 into the rest of the lower Suk. Some of those guys were pretty aggressive and I had to speak sharply with one who kept jostling me.

"I tol' ya, don't Khomeini closer!" I said in my best Crusader voice.

But the whole thing makes me sad. Damn. Who sane, or otherwise, wants to see all of the Suk become an extension of the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel? Maybe the time has come to draw the line in the sand at Soi 5, or at least Soi 7. A green line in the Bangkok pink zone, so to speak.

I was also troubled by the dearth of ladies to whom I was attracted. Girls! Girls! everywhere, but nary a one to fuck. I remember an episode of the original "Twilight Zone", in which a U.S. soldier during WWII sees a light glow on the faces of comrades who will die in action. I had the same feeling about most of the Thai girls I had encountered along the way, except it was a big starfish I saw across their faces.

As I passed Soi 7/1, I thought fondly of the Eden Club, but it had long since closed. Although I had expected to find companionship before getting this far, I didn't despair yet because there were still dozens and dozens of women moving up and down the Suk. Short of being the unluckiest – or pickiest- man on the planet, I was sure to see one to my liking before many more minutes had passed.


In Part 3, I ponder the motives of fellow mongers, meet a girl and pay a Karmic debt.

[Retired Army]

I'll be in BKK and Pattaya mid-September.

Id' like to buy sex DVD and book. Is there any kind of sex-shops around where I could find this? Where?

Thanx

No Sex shops in BKK, so bring your own. DVD's can be bought on the street and from Pantip Plaza. Just walk in on the ground floor or in the rear and try to look like a Farang and you will have people grapping at you for "sexy movie." Also try the second floor of Pantip.

Leave your blow-up doll at home, you won't need it in BKK.

[Angus Magee]

Evil-Thanks for taking the time to write such an entertaining report. It is most excellent reading and really takes me back there in my imagination as I remember the many times I made that same stroll.

Thank God I never encountered Natasha;-)

AM

[Tulip777]

since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.

for all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from isg, here 's the latest:

john karr didnt kill jb ramsey. dna didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.

sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved thailand.

nancy grace said "thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an evil place"

lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

ptnancy grace is a disgrace. if you want to know how the idea of innocence before the proof of guilt is a total sham, just watch her show. the terms like "sex capital of the world" and "sexual tourism" were flying from her mouth every few minutes, on her recent show. what gets me is that even after she discovered that karr did not kill the girl, she still wants him prosecuted for something. if he molested any kids he should be prosecuted. but that does not appear to be the case (at least there is no proof of anything like that.)

i've recently heard on the radio that some professor coming back to the states from brazil was arrested at the airport, after some illegal images were found on his laptop, or his camera - i forgot. and here is the heart of a story: he was flagged because of his frequent trips to thailand. again, ****s should be dealt with, but to single people out, based on how many stamps they might have in their passport from certain countries, smells like fascism to me. it's people like nancy grace and others, concerned with ratings and unconcerned with fair coverage, who are responsible for this hysteria. what they should be telling people is the truth, which is that punishment for abuse of children, or dealing drugs in thailand in many cases is more severe than in the states - only an idiot would come to thailand for that purpose. on her show, nancy grace actually wanted the federal charges of sexual tourism filed against karr. when asked on what basis that could be done her response was: search his computers, find a few witnesses, we should be able to catch him for something, under the sexual tourism charge. not only nancy grace will not be stripped of her law license for this nonsense, but her idea of finding tools to frame someone will find many fans, the kind of people who take her show seriously.

[Flood800]

Nancy Grace is a disgrace...


She and most of FWC hates Thailand, or any places in the East where long suffering male can escape from either a miserable or a failed marriage, or just try to find some quality female companionship without the torture of a western courtship. Some of the lucky ones even end-up with a good wife (yes, I know there are also many failures! I would imaging not as many failed marriages as in the West). Her kind and FWC knows very well that more and more men from the West are heading east, and they have lost the control of us, but they still want to make us ‘suffer’ in whatever way they can. In time, more of us will no longer visit east, but take-up residence there, far away from the likes of NG, FWC and NGO.

[Piratepete]

A few years ago a delegation of Australian feminists similar to Nancy Grace went to the Philippines, Angeles City, to stamp out the sex tourism trade.

The were sent packing with their tails between their legs.

They were reminded by a few of the local mamasans that the biggest sex tour in the world in in Australia and is funded by government - it is the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras festival in Sydney.

They were reminded that there are more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than in the Philippines, Cambodia, Thailand or other places. Any local newspaper has swarms of advertisements for prostitutes, phone sex, swinging groups, and any other form of sex that you want.

They were reminded that you can go to clubs in any city and watch women dance naked, with their genitals at your face. You can pay for a woman to dance naked on your lap.

They were reminded that there are sex slaves trafficked throughout the country.

They were reminded that the average go go dancer in a Philippines bar wears more clothing than the average Australian girl wears on the beach - often just a g string and topless.

They were reminded that you can buy sex with anything you want - homosexual, lesbians, young boys, young girls, any time, in any city in Australia.

In summary, fix up the shit in your own nest before you come poking round in ours.

Thanks for the great site.

Pirate Pete

[DRRonin]

Here are a few miscellaneous rambling thoughts after having been back about a week from a short sexual sojourn to HK and Macau.

First, it’s good to be back. I love HK and Macau as cities but as sex destinations I found them to be over priced and underwhelming. I felt like I was a sausage on a conveyor belt being processed. Of course, Thailand has plenty of that as well and in truth people like having their sex served up differently. Lots of people appreciate the predictability of the massage/sauna experience where you pretty much know what is going to happen within a specific designated time period. Or the Eden experience where you pick specialists from menu A and menu B and they act out their tricks for you like circus performers. I can see the benefits in this – you know just what you will get – it all falls within a secure range that is rarely wonderful or terrible – but certainly serviceable because that’s what it’s all about – service – servicing you. But that is not necessarily my thing – to me it feels like putting a three course frozen dinner into the microwave – sure you will cum in the end but there is a general ho-hum blandness in getting there. I prefer taking my chances with freelancers. It is a total crapshoot though. You never know what you will get – it can be so bad that you need a three-day vacation from sex to get over it or occasionally it can be an experience that makes you feel you crossed some invisible sex barrier that you didn’t even know existed. Most times admittedly it is somewhere in the middle. Now in theory you can have this same experience with go-go dancers as there is no set routine, but over the past couple of years I have sensed that more and more often they are almost creating an unofficial one – basically a rush job to be out the door in thirty minutes after a few minutes of oral and fast humping with a few “you cum yet’s?” thrown in to make you feel you must be doing something wrong to still be erect. Freelancers can be this way too but many times I have been with one in which time just kind of vanished for a while.

Another unpredictable factor regarding freelancers is just where and when they will make an appearance. It often feels like it is determined by the tides and like the tides some days flotsam floats up on the shore and on other days it feels like a treasure hunt with more goodies than you can pick up. This trip has felt particularly schizophrenic. In my first two weeks the Nana parking lot had many goodies to choose from and the Nana disco had a decent smattering, but then the good looking ones seemed to go on holiday or strike. For the past week or more nothing worth rising an eyebrow has showed up – where did they all go I wonder – but the Nana parking lot has recently taken on the looks of a George Romero movie. The disco hasn’t fared much better until three nights ago when all of a sudden a load of nice looking women rolled in flashing lots of leg and cleavage and big bright smiles – for one night only it seems as there was no evidence of them last night. I wish I could put a sensor on a few of these girls and track their movements like migratory birds as they wander from one freelancer hotspot to another late into the night as their luck comes and goes.

Last night was an interesting experience for me. I ended up somewhat to my surprise taking a girl that was not at all my type from the Nana disco. I have observed her on more than a few occasions over the past two years and always been intrigued by her own unique fashion style but it was not for me. But I admired her willingness to be different – while most of the girls in the trade look like they have never perused a fashion magazine in their lives as they dress themselves nightly in dull blouses and jeans or something equally mundane (check out the Lisboa girls for how women should dress in this biz – with glamour), this one makes a statement - though one that often scares guys away is my guess. It did me until last night when our eyes locked for a second and she asked me if I thought her clothes were funny – no I told her – just different – she wants to become a clothes designer some day she told me – but who in Thailand would buy this sort of thing I asked – probably no one she admitted. Then after a few other casual remarks she asked me if I liked my penis served cold or hot. Hmmm – not really sure – usually room temperature is ok with me, but she promised me something different and I believed her and so up we went – chatted for a long while about her life – then showered and the proceedings began – I soon knew what she meant by cold as my penis took on a chill that was lovely – like a fine white wine. She had something in her mouth other than my penis – menthol perhaps though she told me it was ginger – that cooled her mouth and then she would pull back off and blow on it like an icy breeze – quite marvelous actually. After we finished she wanted to stay but I told her I really preferred sleeping alone and she said she could sleep the whole night with my penis in her mouth. What if she had a nightmare and bit I wondered – so as interesting as that premise was I declined and she dressed up in her ornate outfit – but before leaving she began a one-way conversation with my penis asking if it didn’t want to be kept warm all night in her mouth – it sort of replied by rising to greet her and nearly purred at the attention it was getting and she once again took matters into her mouth. It was an interesting evening – not the best of bodies but definitely the best bj I have had on this trip – worthy of a Latina one.

I enjoy watching people and the Nana lobby at night is one of the better places to do so. It may not be the Champs Elysees where they say if you wait long enough you will see everyone worth seeing – but my guess is that at some point or another every *****monger will pass through the Nana’s legendary portals – and so you watch the people stream in and out and wonder what their story might be. The girls begin wandering in around midnight full of hope and often you see them leaving two hours later a bit downbeat – others though look like they have won the lotto as they drag some large falang behind them in hurried fashion before he has a chance to change his mind or sees something better. All types of guys of course are in the mix – some you can guess will turn around as soon as they see the 400 baht door charge and I can almost always tell which ones they will be. But we are all shapes and sizes though more often than not a bit overweight, a bit haggard from too many late nights and are approaching or passing middle age. I guess I am most surprised by the younger good looking ones. It never occurred to me to pay for this sort of thing till I hit my forties and all of a sudden realized I had magically become invisible to women who weren’t divorced with kids. Somehow it became simpler to just pay for it. Somehow it doesn’t feel right paying for sex in your 20’s though.

I have always believed that how you treat or relate to these girls says a lot about what kind of person you are. Some of us are truly dicks and treat these girls like scum – talking down to them or going through them like bargain basement shoppers checking out piles of clothes on sale at Filene’s. There are times I want so badly to smack these guys down. If I was much larger that is. But once I see a guy deal with women in this manner I just want to keep him far away. At Thermae the other night (still kind of talent lacking which surprises me since there are so many Japanese and I would have thought this would attract some better looking girls) this older guy who had as much weight in his gut as the rest of him waves a decent looking girl over “How old are you”, “How many children do you have”, “How much you want” and after apparently not hearing what he wants he waves her away. At least say hello to her. I wish she had picked up his beer and poured it over his head and called him a “fat fuck”.

One thing I have observed a number of times in the Nana lobby are threesomes – no not the ones between a falang and two Thai girls – those occur like falling leaves in autumn – no I mean the ones between a falang woman, a falang man and a Thai woman. It sounds fun I must admit though afterwards I would want to kick out the falang woman and keep the Thai one. One time it was a Thai ladyboy and my head whirled at the gender blending possibilities going on there – way too confusing to think much about.

Another thing that at least strikes me as an oddity at the Nana is how many falangs come back with their Thai wives and kids for vacation and stay there. Isn’t it a bit like returning to the scene of the crime? Why would someone bring their kids to the Nana Hotel and have them witness the going ons? At some point in their lives they will connect the dots and realize how dear old mom and dad met up – over a 500 baht note. These though are some of the cutest kids I have ever seen – most of them girls for some reason. It is almost enough to make you want to rush out and have your own – but if I did I wouldn’t let her anywhere near the Nana.

The other night I made a swing by of Soi Cowboy for the first time on this trip and quickly remembered why I so rarely go there. Nice atmosphere, ugly women in a nutshell. There are just a lot of women that should legally not be allowed on a go-go stage – and certainly not in a bikini as the rolls of fat glare at you in angry repose. It’s like cellulite city on steroids. One bar I wandered into – Midnight something – had them topless - if I had enough money with me I would have paid them to put their tops back on. What’s going on here? Are there just not enough attractive women in the business so that the owners have to hire these overweight women to dance – there must be a strong correlation between good looking dancers and customers so I assume the good looking ones just don’t want to work up there. Too many cheap ex-pats probably.

The Eden women. What’s the allure I wonder? I use the internet that is just a few doors down (1 baht per minute) and often a number of them are hanging outside. It’s certainly no enticement to go in. People pay for this? I know you get the dildo action (yawn) and the faked lesbian moans (yawn), but I maintain that finding two young cutie friends and having them work you over in kisses and giggles has got to be such a better and more memorable experience. Btw – I got talking to a guy the other day who has been in Bangkok for over ten years and never had a threesome – he needs an intervention from his friends.

I saw a girl on the Skytrain yesterday that was so beautiful that I lost my breath between Siam Station and Chit Lom. When she put her head on the shoulder of her cute female friend my knees buckled. I wish I could go after the straight girls here in BKK but I feel like I have a big red “W” for *****monger burnt onto my forehead. If I ever had a chance to fall into conversation with one of these women I imagine it would go something like this – “Why are you in Thailand for 6 months?”, “To get a better understanding of the Thai culture which I find fascinating”, “What have you seen so far?”, “Well up to now I have primarily focused on the malls and their impact on the youth of Thailand”, “Have you learned much Thai?”, “Basically just sanuk (fun), nit noy (small) and chicatee (ticklish)”, “Where are you staying?”, “The Nana Hotel”. End of conversation.

Some of the girls who work in McDonalds are adorable.

One perhaps alarming trend I have noticed is that the Arab population has begun to make its way across Sukhumvit to the Nana side. I don’t want this to sound racist at all because I am not in the least bit, but I saw what happened to the Grace Hotel and don’t want that occurring to the Nana. When I first came to Bangkok back around 1993, the only intel I possessed in those pre-internet days was that Bangkok had go-go bars in which women were available for take out and the Grace Hotel had a cafeteria in which women were available day and night. After getting suckered at the airport into staying at an expensive hotel where just bringing women back cost you an additional 500 baht, the next day I checked into the Grace. A little rundown perhaps but all the amenities and a cafeteria chock full of women until the wee wee hours. They began accumulating around noon – not that many – probably 20-30 on a good day but most times there was something young and sweet to be had. At night it was a wild smorgasbord of women – many that would make you wince but lots that were simply knockouts. The first girl I fell for was found at the Grace – Sukanya – who I still recall fondly to this day – and Dao a lovely half Chinese girl with bangs falling down her forehead and not much more English then “I come back tomorrow?”. Then for whatever reason the Arabs decided to make that their first port of call and the hotel and area around it has pretty much transformed into a small Arab neighborhood. Within a fairly short period of time the good looking girls went elsewhere as word of mouth spread among them of the poor way in which the Arabs treated them. For old time’s sake I went back a few weeks ago to check out both the cafeteria and the disco – pretty vile offerings – there wasn’t a young one in the bunch and all were heifers. So that may explain why a number of Arabs are now showing up at the Nana Disco - they want good looking women too - and many are beginning to stay at the hotel. I have noticed that the Amari Hotel on Soi 5 is all Arab now as well and I worry that the Nana may end up there some day as the Arab population has exploded over the past couple years in Bangkok. Is it a bad sign though I wonder that I find some of these Arab women quite attractive and I can’t help wondering what a few would look like with their burkha’s off and in a pair of tight jeans.

Conversations overheard. Twice over the past two days I have had no choice but to hear falangs loudly complain about their “girlfriend” who is becoming difficult and jealous and how difficult it is to hide their other affairs of the loins. Geez, I thought we came to Thailand to get away from nagging women but old habits die hard. It reminded me how often I have come across guys here who come for a taste of sexual paradise and within a week have hooked up with one girl and then spend the remainder of their vacation complaining about her but are too guilty to break off and send her on their way. I guess there is a certain comfort and convenience zone that having a steady creates for them – sort of like having the newspaper delivered to their door instead of having to go buy one.

In a previous post when I first came to make this for me lengthy stay I wondered how long the glow would last – at what point does it all begin to get old? Not yet thankfully – some five weeks into this I am enjoying it all quite a lot and feel more relaxed than I have for years. Not just because of the sex, but to some degree because of not needing sex – meaning that since it’s always available I don’t feel the urgency I used to on trips and often go days without indulging – once for five days in a row when I wasn’t feeling very well and not in the least in the mood. Still I decided to keep track of my trysts just so that I could see if the trend dropped over time as I expect it will – in the first month I realized that I only had 16 encounters that amounted to 17 different women – of these encounters five were threesomes. So no great shakes but no complaints either from this end.

[Traveler1234]

Nancy Grace is a disgrace. Not only Nancy Grace will not be stripped of her law license for this nonsense, but her idea of finding tools to frame someone will find many fans, the kind of people who take her show seriously.

You're right on - she is a sham. But keep in mind it's all about sound bites and ratings. She says outrageous things to keep her 'audience.

Btw, she's the same in person - i see her regularly on our office elevator (saying the same BS she says in front of the camera), once with the infamous paula jones. now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you....real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her?)

RLMAO

[Tulip777]

Infamous paula jones. Now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you. Real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her? )

RLMAO[/QUOTE]It was the best Clinton could do at that particular moment. I saw him as a victim of bad opportunity. Like using Nana parking lot as a last resort. Plus, he is in no way a stranger to ugly women:))

[M P Lurker]

Dr Ronin raises some issues about whether some mongers are ever happy with what they get.

"servicing you - thats what its all about" Is it?

Do mongers really just want to be serviced well by some girl (some are bored by this) or are they lookng for girls to actually like them and have a good time. Considering what the what the girls will enjoy helps for them to be more into it rather than performing perfunctory duties.

You rarely can tell how skilled sexually a girl is by chatting, so look for other nice charcter qualities. Then the "crapshoot" as DrRonin put it.

If a girl is terrible, move on to another quickly. I have scored mostly great girls fromoutside Nana or in the street by taking time to chat them up before deciding. The risk of a dud can be reduced. If girl is too aggressive, forget it!

Freelancers hard to find? Keep a long list of phone numbers of good girls.

At any one time a few will be looking for money. I have one SIM card for mongering and another for normal use when I don't want naughty girls to call.

Soi Cowboy has some fun bars. Read the Forum further. Not all the girls there can be ugly.

Just in case you meet some fantastic girl not on P4P. Always dress well. Don't stay at Hotels like Nana. Don't expect sex in a hurry. Choose your opportunities carefully. Many girls will be too shy to want to be chatted up by a Farang in public. Sometimes to go out with a Thai girl you will need to go with a group of her friends (less threating environment where can be seen that she is behaving admirably) and shout them all to a meal or show or something. There are many Thai girls desperately wanting to meet a Farang, but not all of course. It greatly depends on their circumstance. If their husband is gone leaving them with the baby, then they are a good prospect because its hard for them to get a serious boyfriend. You have to look at it from the girl's point of view. What will make her interested in you? You will need to treat them better than a typical Thai man does and be "trustworthy" (this is the very difficult one, no? ). Many great Thai girls cannot speak English much. Depends on their level of education. In general most mongers can't be bothered to behave well enough to get a really good Thai girlfriend.

So do you Mongers really want a real girlfriend with its responsibilities or not? If not, just perve at the georgeous girl passing, and appreciate her beauty, and forget them. If yes, then might have to cut the mongering to a very low very careful secret level.

[Member #2041]

You're right on - she is a sham. But keep in mind it's all about sound bites and ratings. She says outrageous things to keep her 'audience.

Btw, she's the same in person - i see her regularly on our office elevator (saying the same BS she says in front of the camera), once with the infamous paula jones. now talk about two characters side by side on the elevator with you....real dogs (wtf did clinton see in her?)

RLMAO

Maybe Clinton thought that the top of Paula Jones' head was attractive looking. In any case, for someone who clearly has lots of opportunity, Clinton's taste in women is decidedly below what he could command.

And BTW, Nancy Grace may be the most shrill "b-word rhyming with rich" on earth.

[Tulip777]

The Aussie friend wanted to pick some food. The girls said that they are not allowed to go outside with customers without being barfined (house rules). Ok, so barfine. Fon said hastily to me, if I would consider sex, that she can’t do tonight (good girl, to make that clear before the barfine!), so probably tired, monthly day’s, I am the wrong one, or whatever. I said it’s ok for me, I am tired too, but barfine and no sex ok.

This destination will be dead as disco music in a few years. We'll have nobody but ourselves to blame for this. Can we really blame these women for calling us stupid farangs?

[Lovesnihon]

Dr, Ronin, a phenomenal report. Keep it up and don't run out of ink. Nice to see someone actually put to paper how BKK's areas can change. Experienced the same thing in Pattaya when a neighbourhood gets taken over.

As for Nancy Grace: During the Scott Petersen trial, she had him convicted before they went on the air on Day 1. One prosecuting attorney said it best: "If there was living life on Mars and they landed on Earth and heard Nancy Grace, they'd probably think that the entire planet was full of convicts and that we are all going to jail"

LN

[Traveler1234]

As for Nancy Grace: During the Scott Petersen trial, she had him convicted before they went on the air on Day 1. One prosecuting attorney said it best: "If there was living life on Mars and they landed on Earth and heard Nancy Grace, they'd probably think that the entire planet was full of convicts and that we are all going to jail"

LN

I can't remember their names, but a female intern disappeared some years back, eventually discovered her body in a nearby park, not sure if case ever solved. But our friend NG basically convicted in court of opinion the california representative that she worked for. No doubt this guy was a 'sleazebag' (eg sleeping with her) but killing her is another matter.

Anyway, she now has her own show I think, no longer with cnn and not sure if court tv....haven't seen her face in the while :(

[Phantomtiger2]

Since the topic was started on this thread, guess it could end here now.
For all those that are out of country or just get their only world news from ISG, here 's the latest:
John Karr didnt kill JB Ramsey. DNA didnt match and people have come forward saying he wasn't even in Colorado at the time, so case will be dropped against him as its a no way win for the cops.
Sadly, he's still a nut job but unfortunately the main damage already done as all spotlight now on my beloved Thailand.
Nancy Grace said "Thailand is the sex capital of the world and its an Evil Place"

Lets just hope one madmans lying for chance for claim to fame didnt ruin it for the rest of us "normal mongers"

PT

Wow, I only posted the above to infom all who didnt know the latest news about J. Karr. I didnt expect all the "love" everyone here (including myself) have shown for Nancy G.
Listening to her will kill any hard on I'm having despite taking all the Vit. V in the world.
The main problem is she have a very big following that treats her every word as words from god. She could create more damage to our mongering world than the Pope.
Already her thoughts on the sex capital of the world is spreading. I'm already seeing more and more talk shows bringing up this matter and showing pieces of BKK videos on the go-go, bars, fishbowls (MPs), etc. all over the TVs.
I have no problems with the true original topic with J. Karr--tracking down child violators anywhere, but its gotten way off track now as ALL mongering activities are deem "evil".
Cant wait to see what kinda treatment I'll get from my hometown Immigration when they see my passport. I'll bet they will have J. Karr in the back of their minds.
Damn, I may need to fly to I raq just to take their attention off all my BKK passport stamps.

PT

[Brain666]

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This destination will be dead as disco music in a few years. We'll have nobody but ourselves to blame for this. Can we really blame these women for calling us stupid farangs?

I don't think so. There are other countries in the world (exactly all other) seeing this not with the same eyes.
The worst what could happen to the US fellow mongers is, that the law paragraphs regarding child prostitution could be extended to any kind of mongering. So to say, whats iillegal in the US is Illegal everywhere in the world for US citizens.

But who prove? Probably a Thai stamp in the passport then could create a customs deep dive in your arriving luggage in search for evidence. So no more fotos then, better you need to do some cultural tours to get the flash cards full of Temple's, Garden's etc., no condoms bringing back etc.

The worst thing what could happen is some US patrol in the critical areas to ifentify 'Law violators', like US-Military does in Korea by frequently checking the monger off limits places in search of such violators. But I don't think Thai goverment will allow this.
To high is the economical aspect of the moingering for the girls. And Thai saves a lot of social budget with tolerating the scene.

And again, I don't believe that other countries will follow that path.

And you could help to some extend yourself, by not voting for the republicans next time, as I would consider the democrats (outside view however) less restrictive.

As an alternative there will still be the German FKK clubs as an option. Who would consider Germany as a monger paradise?

So there will be always an option.

regards

Brain666

[Tulip777]

I don't think so. There are other countries in the world (exactly all other) seeing this not with the same eyes.

The worst what could happen to the US fellow mongers is, that the law paragraphs regarding child prostitution could be extended to any kind of mongering. So to say, whats iillegal in the US is Illegal everywhere in the world for US citizens.

But who prove? Probably a Thai stamp in the passport then could create a customs deep dive in your arriving luggage in search for evidence. So no more fotos then, better you need to do some cultural tours to get the flash cards full of Temple's, Garden's etc., no condoms bringing back etc.

The worst thing what could happen is some US patrol in the critical areas to ifentify 'Law violators', like US-Military does in Korea by frequently checking the monger off limits places in search of such violators. But I don't think Thai goverment will allow this.

To high is the economical aspect of the moingering for the girls. And Thai saves a lot of social budget with tolerating the scene.

And again, I don't believe that other countries will follow that path.

And you could help to some extend yourself, by not voting for the republicans next time, as I would consider the democrats (outside view however) less restrictive.

As an alternative there will still be the German FKK clubs as an option. Who would consider Germany as a monger paradise?

So there will be always an option.

Regards

Brain666Would not put anything past these degenerates, but as far as the consensual sex between grown adults in a foreign country - people would start quoting the Helsinki human rights agreements of the '70s to defend themselves. It would be a total disregard for human rights, the constitution, common sense and everything else you could think of - that of course (in line with your thoughts) is not a guarantee that such laws couldn't be passed. With all the dishonesty and ignorance any bill can get through the legislature. By the way, prostitution is legal in some areas of the US.