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You should not have paid as you did not get 40 minutes. Simple as that. Or, according to their business logic, pro rate the session and take off a 25% discount and a further discount for not cumming. Then hand them a bill for your time and travel expenses that day.
Not a case of win some, lose some. It is supposed to be a business. This story makes absolutely zero sense and is not believable.
What doesn't make sense about getting ripped off in Brazil? Wow, what a shocker. I am not going to get into it as far as whether this really happenned or not. Not going to waste my time with that one.
As far as it being a business, I totally agree and I did express that to them. Yet, they don't give a crap. Am I really going to get into a possible brawl over a 25% discount? Screww that, I just chose to move on, and not ever go back, as well as share my experience with others. Its up to you as how you want to use the information given in this forum. I never told anyone not to go, I just said "Be careful".
As for some other questions on this topic by a member of this forum.......It was a week night, and it was not on A monday ( Discount with printed coupon ). Yes, it was loaded with customers on that night.
As for the ladies in the front asking for tips, I never have given them one.
Bottom line......I don't mind going to an expensive place and paying heavily, as long as the service and product are up to par with the pricing. On that particular night, it was not. Places like Solarium and Cent. are extremely pricey as compared to other places, so expectations should be higher as well. Thats all. Enjoy gentlemen! Oh yea, and " BE CAREFUL "
SlimHoleDrill
07-24-10, 19:36
Fat ugly women need loving to. Help me out here! I'm getting tired of shouldering the load.
What have fat girls and mopeds got in common.
They are both fun to ride until someone see's you.
Yeah, I know. The ending I heard was "... but nobody wants to admit it". I was just reflecting on MC the other night which had a large, and I mean large, crop of big cottage cheese buts. I think a long winter on the North Slope would be required for me to go after that, but, hey, some guys must really like it or they wouldn't be in a high-dollar place like MC. Just not for me. I would go for the other end of the spectrum -- skinny skanks -- if I have to choose. But fortunately, they come in all shapes and sizes.
I have seen new ones start out in L'uomo and lose the weight on the job. That works for me and I have seen them slim down into my range. But MC always seems to have a stable of them. And they don't seem to be shy about putting it out there next to the toned ones. So go for it man, you can have my share.
Maybe if they gave a discount ....
Fat ugly women need loving to. Help me out here! I'm getting tired of shouldering the load.
What have fat girls and mopeds got in common.
They are both fun to ride until someone see's you.
That's so true!!!!!!! Even the other GDP's will talk shit if they think you're with a dog.
ryjer
You morons have nothing better to do?
The initial quote wasn't even all that clever.
Truely fools.
The word is "truly," not "truely."
The word is "truly," not "truely."Agreed. You morons truly have nothing better to do.
I am busy multi-tasking and writing my next project: "Drooling in my Oatmeal, Memories of a Mongerer".
I only went to Rio antigo once. It was so bad that I never went again. The girls looked like the ones at the apartment termas that I can't stand. Aeroporto and Cancun were ok places that are worth a second look, but antigo was a horror show. Maybe it has changed since I went a few years ago. Are you saying Antigo is now on par with 4x4, mc, and, luomo? 3 or 4 years is a long time. I guess I can give it one more shot when I'm back in Brazil.
Every foreigner that I know that lives on Brazil says exactly the same thing, stupid brazilian business acts are they norm not the exception. There is zero understanding of customer service or basic "best international business standards". It is the most frustrating thing about living in Brazil.
Member #3439
07-25-10, 03:07
You should not have paid as you did not get 40 minutes. Simple as that. Or, according to their business logic, pro rate the session and take off a 25% discount and a further discount for not cumming. Then hand them a bill for your time and travel expenses that day.
I'd have done as Mangera did. No sense in being a hero and maybe getting beat or robbed for the balance of the money. Just make a raucous, pay, tell 50 people, and don't go back.
In P4P, regardless of country, it's a shady business with shady people. If one spends enough time mongering, you begin to think that you're dealing with 'real' people that you can hold to your normal standards, but that's a delusion... I wouldn't expect normal business thought processes or standards from pimps and hos. Trust no one and be pleasantly surprised everytime you don't get ripped off.
That's so true!!!!!!! Even the other GDP's will talk shit if they think you're with a dog.
ryjerSuch is life, you are better off with a 5 who treats you like a king than a 10 that treats you like shit.
Life is a trick, the unobtainable is always more attractive. Sometimes the obtainable will surprise you.
I’ve been doing this for nearly 40 years some of the most beautiful girls are the ugliest people. Some ugly girls are the most beautiful people. What has changed is some of the mongers I come across now are borderline sociopath, zero respect for consequence. Photos, chronological detail, it’s like watching NCIS find the perp’s stash.
Check the dates, you moron. Your quote was dated 10/13/09. My nearly identical quote was dated 9/12/09, and I made a very similar one way back on 8/26/04. Therefore my quote was first and you, consciously, or unconsciously, stole it from me.
Hmmm, I guess you and I won't get together and have a beer soon, then? I am crushed :D
I didn't know you were so emotionally attached to your oatmeal phrase. All I was saying was that PP remembered correctly that I had made that remark on this board. I never claimed to have invented that phrase, nor do I claim the invention of oatmeal.
But ... if you have trademarked this phrase and I therefore "stole it" from you (as you claim above), then please accept my sincere apologies. Further, please pm me your real name and address, and I am going to be sure to cut you a check with a percentage of all of my earnings derived from using the phrase "drooling in my oatmeal" on this board. ;)
Crazy Jim Wood
07-25-10, 04:33
I thought it was Al Gore who first said the oatmeal phrase? Didn't he say "one day when we're all drooling in our oatmeal, all we will remember is that I invented the internet?"
Hmmm, I guess you and I won't get together and have a beer soon, then? I am crushed :D
I didn't know you were so emotionally attached to your oatmeal phrase. All I was saying was that PP remembered correctly that I had made that remark on this board. I never claimed to have invented that phrase, nor do I claim the invention of oatmeal.
But ... if you have trademarked this phrase and I therefore "stole it" from you (as you claim above), then please accept my sincere apologies. Further, please pm me your real name and address, and I am going to be sure to cut you a check with a percentage of all of my earnings derived from using the phrase "drooling in my oatmeal" on this board. ;)
Member #3439
07-25-10, 04:57
Ah, the hidden costs of those freebies with Suzy. She showed up pretty much on time on her day off, with her bambino. We ate, walked the beach, saw the latest Shrek cartoon. A pretty nice date overall. Then she was off to home with the little tyke.
:). This Suzy is running a tight game. First she laid down the law that you aren't to fuck any of the other girls, now she's having you do father-figure stuff.
How does she introduce you to the kid? 'This man makes boom-boom with mama so you can have nice food and clothes'? Thinking back, such a situation would have seemed quite odd when I was a kid, to have strange foreign man attending a movie..but maybe Carioca kids are used to mamas hanging out with foreigners and see us as benefactors, which would be right!
CJW, no, I think it was that one day when we are all drooling in our oatmeal we should remember that he won the popular vote. I hope Estados Unidos is a distant memory for me at that time, and I'm off basking somewhere that has cheap poon and low moral standards. Eating my oatmeal off the breasts of some 20 yr old housegirl..and drooling.
I wouldn't expect normal business thought processes or standards from pimps and hos. Trust no one and be pleasantly surprised everytime you don't get ripped off.
enough said, and well put!!!!!!!!
ryjer
But ... if you have trademarked this phrase and I therefore "stole it" from you (as you claim above), then please accept my sincere apologies. Further, please pm me your real name and address, and I am going to be sure to cut you a check with a percentage of all of my earnings derived from using the phrase "drooling in my oatmeal" on this board. ;)
This is some funny shit..........................His address is below. He can be found there most evenings after 10pm.
Vila Mimosa
Rua Ceará - Pça. da Bandeira
ryjer
Member #3439
07-25-10, 07:46
I’ve been doing this for nearly 40 years some of the most beautiful girls are the ugliest people. Some ugly girls are the most beautiful people. What has changed is some of the mongers I come across now are borderline sociopath, zero respect for consequence. Photos, chronological detail, it’s like watching NCIS find the perp’s stash.
Well, this is the NCIS of mongering..times, places, names, photos.
Maybe you see a difference because the monger of Brasil in times past was just there for cheap fun and the girls were service oriented and actually interested in gringos in a personal sense, as a way to a better life. Even 5 years ago, I found that to be true. I remember girls in SP who would stick to guys like glue all night, even if they weren't promising a session. They were were interested in immigration elsewhere with gringos that had their lives straight and a decent bank account. Most were probably gold diggers, but perhaps some were genuinely interested in someplace other than Brasil. Today, I don't see any interest in leaving Brasil. On my recent trip, out of 21 girls, I heard only 1 sob story about poverty and family in some village in the boonies, from Gabrielle at Florida. And even she didn't seem to work very hard at getting sessions, let alone trying to get to know anyone. Totally different from 2005, every girl was from some crap town with a kid and mama who supposedly are in poverty, and wanted to know all about the mongers: where from, what do you do, do you have a girlfriend, what are you doing tomorrow. Same kind of stuff that is reported in the Phillipines today.
Now, it's just a job for them and mostly they float from guy to guy trying to collect as many ST's as possible. If they offer contact info or to meet outside, it's because they know it leads to more cash. It's like watching NCIS find the perp's stash, or the gringo's cash :) So now it's sport both ways. They really don't need the money, else they'd push for TLN+ like old days, and fewer mongers really need them. A lot of guys come on business trips now due to growth in Brasil and have normal girls at home, so don't care about GDP personalities outside the bed like a expat or sex tourist might. Rather, just sex them and post them NCIS style so that others can find the good and avoid the bad. So maybe this explains the difference for you.
Crazy Jim Wood
07-25-10, 11:23
Every girl I talked to mentioned green cards, visa, etc... I asked Mansella in L'Uomo what music she liked and she said yes I'd like a visa lol. Bit of a freudian slip. She told me all about the difficulties of getting a visa. Lily talked about it to, but they all talked about so much it's a little hazy. Damn I'm already forgetting... except something about Al Gore.
But the other thing they mentioned was pride in Brazilia, or Minas Geriath or wherever they happened to come from, and they also all seemed proud to be Brazilian, in the world cup, etc.
So I guess order of precedence 1) Safado 2) visa 3) local area 4) Brazil
Well, this is the NCIS of mongering..times, places, names, photos.
Maybe you see a difference because the monger of Brasil in times past was just there for cheap fun and the girls were service oriented and actually interested in gringos in a personal sense, as a way to a better life. Even 5 years ago, I found that to be true. I remember girls in SP who would stick to guys like glue all night, even if they weren't promising a session. They were were interested in immigration elsewhere with gringos that had their lives straight and a decent bank account. Most were probably gold diggers, but perhaps some were genuinely interested in someplace other than Brasil. Today, I don't see any interest in leaving Brasil. On my recent trip, out of 21 girls, I heard only 1 sob story about poverty and family in some village in the boonies, from Gabrielle at Florida. And even she didn't seem to work very hard at getting sessions, let alone trying to get to know anyone. Totally different from 2005, every girl was from some crap town with a kid and mama who supposedly are in poverty, and wanted to know all about the mongers: where from, what do you do, do you have a girlfriend, what are you doing tomorrow. Same kind of stuff that is reported in the Phillipines today.
Now, it's just a job for them and mostly they float from guy to guy trying to collect as many ST's as possible. If they offer contact info or to meet outside, it's because they know it leads to more cash. It's like watching NCIS find the perp's stash, or the gringo's cash :) So now it's sport both ways. They really don't need the money, else they'd push for TLN+ like old days, and fewer mongers really need them. A lot of guys come on business trips now due to growth in Brasil and have normal girls at home, so don't care about GDP personalities outside the bed like a expat or sex tourist might. Rather, just sex them and post them NCIS style so that others can find the good and avoid the bad. So maybe this explains the difference for you.
Well, this is the NCIS of mongering..times, places, names, photos.
Maybe you see a difference because the monger of Brasil in times past was just there for cheap fun and the girls were service oriented and actually interested in gringos in a personal sense, as a way to a better life. Even 5 years ago, I found that to be true. I remember girls in SP who would stick to guys like glue all night, even if they weren't promising a session. They were were interested in immigration elsewhere with gringos that had their lives straight and a decent bank account. Most were probably gold diggers, but perhaps some were genuinely interested in someplace other than Brasil. Today, I don't see any interest in leaving Brasil. On my recent trip, out of 21 girls, I heard only 1 sob story about poverty and family in some village in the boonies, from Gabrielle at Florida. And even she didn't seem to work very hard at getting sessions, let alone trying to get to know anyone. Totally different from 2005, every girl was from some crap town with a kid and mama who supposedly are in poverty, and wanted to know all about the mongers: where from, what do you do, do you have a girlfriend, what are you doing tomorrow. Same kind of stuff that is reported in the Phillipines today.
Now, it's just a job for them and mostly they float from guy to guy trying to collect as many ST's as possible. If they offer contact info or to meet outside, it's because they know it leads to more cash. It's like watching NCIS find the perp's stash, or the gringo's cash :) So now it's sport both ways. They really don't need the money, else they'd push for TLN+ like old days, and fewer mongers really need them. A lot of guys come on business trips now due to growth in Brasil and have normal girls at home, so don't care about GDP personalities outside the bed like a expat or sex tourist might. Rather, just sex them and post them NCIS style so that others can find the good and avoid the bad. So maybe this explains the difference for you.An interesting perspective, if a little cold. Rio has always been a sex destination it's the mongers that have changed it. The world got very small over the last forty years. The changes in travel technology and travel marketing gave the capability of leisure world travel to the masses. Fortunately most mongers from those first world countries stay on the the well trodden paths. In the case of Rio Copa and centro some might venture out to Barra. Unfortunately as with all things of volume there will always be the dregs at the bottom of the barrel (bigger barrel, more dregs). A very very few of the mongers that fall in the category of dregs, I'm not even sure what they are doing can even be described as sex. Not referring to anyone on this board, I'm talking about the ones I've met.
If you pick the time of day right. You can drive a couple of hours out of Rio and there are some great little towns with plenty going on. You do need to speak Portuguese to a reasonable level to enjoy this. Also what towns, venues and when is best to arrive.
I arrive in Rio on Wednesday, a little bit of work for three weeks. Doubt I will visit any of the commercial sex houses (sometimes get dragged along with colleagues. Damn it to Hell!). As I've got older I don't like to be numbered and wrapped in a bathrobe (Anybody remember the sixties TV show "The Prisoner". "I am not a number I am a human being"). Probably stay with the old favorites this trip. I will then spend two weeks driving up to Salvador. Done this drive many times over the years, great fun. Will stop and visit a few friends along the way.
SlimHoleDrill
07-25-10, 15:19
I only went to Rio antigo once. It was so bad that I never went again. The girls looked like the ones at the apartment termas that I can't stand. Aeroporto and Cancun were ok places that are worth a second look, but antigo was a horror show. Maybe it has changed since I went a few years ago. Are you saying Antigo is now on par with 4x4, mc, and, luomo? 3 or 4 years is a long time. I guess I can give it one more shot when I'm back in Brazil.
The point was that it is now closed. It got shut down by the cops in a raid a few years back and I think that sent it down hill. It was on a par with the top Termas a number of years ago in my opinion, but I have only been a couple of times since the closing. I always found something i liked, but the average quality had gone down. My guess is that police hassles put them in a downward spiral. People are afraid to go and so they can't attract the best talent.
Don't know. But it seems to be one less option now.
I'd have done as Mangera did. No sense in being a hero and maybe getting beat or robbed for the balance of the money. Just make a raucous, pay, tell 50 people, and don't go back.
In P4P, regardless of country, it's a shady business with shady people. If one spends enough time mongering, you begin to think that you're dealing with 'real' people that you can hold to your normal standards, but that's a delusion. I wouldn't expect normal business thought processes or standards from pimps and hos. Trust no one and be pleasantly surprised everytime you don't get ripped off.Would ya? You mean to say after your may lengthy reports about venturing all over Rio to find cheap women that would do your very specific checklist of action items (or you would not session) that you would have simply just paid for something you did not receive? And after all your reports about venturing around Centro's dark streets in the middel of the night that you would have feared being robbed or beat up in a high-end terma in a good neighborhood?
Such is life, you are better off with a 5 who treats you like a king than a 10 that treats you like shit.
Life is a trick, the unobtainable is always more attractive. Sometimes the obtainable will surprise you.
I’ve been doing this for nearly 40 years some of the most beautiful girls are the ugliest people. Some ugly girls are the most beautiful people. What has changed is some of the mongers I come across now are borderline sociopath, zero respect for consequence. Photos, chronological detail, it’s like watching NCIS find the perp’s stash.Fred,
I have to say again that I admire your efforts to discuss some important topics here (safe sex, caution in self-medicating, being respectful, etc.). But, unfortunately, I believe you are correct in your observations on mongerers' attitudes and demands. And I don't think you change affect change here. No one eants to think about the consequences of their actions anymore. It is all about intsnt gratification (look at the mess the economy is in in the US).
Funny how many guys here think they have Brazil all figured out. They like to put things under labels "third world business practices", "all women now have this attitude". That is a big part of the problem, people are not open to using their own minds and making their own opinions on a case by case basis. (This is why guys like Glen Beck and the Teabaggers have a voice). But let's face it, some mongerers have issues that don't allow them to function real well in the real world. For Christ sakes, 2 morons are arguing on and on about who used a mediocre phrase first on this forum. I also have guys PMing me (unsolicated) telling me who to talk to and trust here, and who to avoid. Like fucking grade school clicks. It is actually important for some guys here to be seen as the witty experts to a small band of aging and sociopath misfits here. I could never accept one guy's opinion of a woman because I may be very different then that guy and get a totally different vibe from her. I remember early on reading a review on a GDP and my experience was the total opposite.
I am happy I created my piece of REAL heaven in Brazil and am out. I suspect there are many here that would not have that option because of who they have become. But fascinating topics to explore in media projects.
Eric Cartman
07-26-10, 01:31
The point was that it is now closed. It got shut down by the cops in a raid a few years back and I think that sent it down hill. It was on a par with the top Termas a number of years ago in my opinion, but I have only been a couple of times since the closing. I always found something i liked, but the average quality had gone down. My guess is that police hassles put them in a downward spiral. People are afraid to go and so they can't attract the best talent.
Don't know. But it seems to be one less option now.
That's a shame to hear. I loved the facilities at Rio Antigo. Last time I was there (May 2009) the selection was pretty weak but the facilities remained great.
Any time a higher profile Terma closes it is bad for the market, IMHO, as it means less supply / less competition. This inevitably impacts the remaining T's -- when demand is relatively constant, and there's less supply, price goes higher.
SlimHoleDrill
07-26-10, 01:36
you'll have to forgive me for not knowing about this particular event, but then some locals are not so keen on it either. anyway, any excuse for a party. l'uomo and mc both had dress-up events for the girls. the crew in l'uomo was having a great time despite the fact that only 4 or 5 guys were there. dancing like crazy, dressed up as sort of hill billys. actually they looked great -- some had obviously taken the time to find a really good outfit. especially alluring was [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), looking like a baby doll in her "county" outfit. didn't go to mc but hear they had it going on too.
stopped in at balcony at about 12:30 sat. night and the report of its demise is definitely premature. very mixed crowd, lots of different levels, but i clicked on a stunner and, taking my own advice to move quickly, since no tables were available, i walked up on the sidewalk, introduced myself and after a short conversation, invited her back to my place. she was skeptical at such a quick move, but after a little conversation she agreed. i agreed to r400 which is about double what i would normally go for, but then, this was special.
she was a little aloof but after getting comfortable with me, she transmogrified. total gfe beyond your dreams. now the bad news. because of this family day everybody is celebrating today, she was going to a family barbeque. i offered to go with, but that got a big laugh.
just when you think you can't be surprised, it happens again.
i post this just to say, don't write off balcony.
also, another venerable institution bites the dust: mabs is closed. maybe i mentioned this before, but this is a stunning development because it was sort of the original "ground zero" in copa some years back. i don't like the trend (in no particular order):
mabs closed
flavia closed in centro
help closed
rio antigo closed
mc closed on sundays
can someone please offset this with great news about new places that have opened? i don't know of any.
Crusader560
07-26-10, 08:35
I thought Monte Carlo was always closed on sunday's. The only terma open on sunday's is L'uomos. At least that is the way i remember it. But still the entire closing thing Sucks.
The Watcher
07-26-10, 15:50
Also, another venerable institution bites the dust: Mabs is closed. Maybe I mentioned this before, but this is a stunning development because it was sort of the original "ground zero" in Copa some years back.
Your statement could be read to mean that Mabs has gone out of business. I heard that Mabs was closed for renovations and would reopen under new management in a few months. Did you hear that Mabs was gone for good?
...I agreed to R400 which is about double what I would normally go for, but then, this was special...
Let's hope she will not share with other girls she got 400 reais at Balcony in winter time or....soon Balcony girls will have higher rates than when Help was yet open.....considering they do not pay entrance at Balcony, I guess now girls are more than happy Help is gone....
Yeah, Rio is really changing a LOT....imho.
John Cricket
07-26-10, 17:41
Bubba, I know you're nostalgic of the JW Bush era, but let me tell you once more that calling frenchs "eurotrash" is no more politically correct nowadays.Ah, but calling certain kinds of French "eurotrash" is still completely acceptable.
SlimHoleDrill
07-26-10, 18:11
Your statement could be read to mean that Mabs has gone out of business. I heard that Mabs was closed for renovations and would reopen under new management in a few months. Did you hear that Mabs was gone for good?
Good point. I don't know that any of them (with the exception of Help) are gone for good. I have asked a couple of cab drivers about Mabs but they didn't know. So maybe it is just renovation, but in Rio that can take a long time.
Day 8 – Friday Slumming in Copa
Fernanda spends the AM with me. We hit the local crepes shop for breakfast and part ways at noon, with the understanding that she comes back at 8 PM.
BrSp and I got together, and waltzed thru Club 53, which is under the same management as Bar 22. They have identical policies, and the girls move back and forth between the two places. There was one doable girl, and Natalia, cute, doable, but not repeatable.
We walked over to the massage place and the adjacent prive. Both had do-able girls.
Session 1 – I picked Gabi, who seemed to have a good attitude, and was a nice, tight spinner. She was an upsell for BBBJ and completa, which made the session about R120 for 40 minutes. She did a good job with the BBBJ, and we marched thru a few positions before I took her anally. Since it was an upsell, I made sure that I god my money's worth. Despite being a spinner, she had no problem with a pretty rough porn session. She let me finish BBBJCIM.
I doubled back to meet with Fernanda, my rookie GDP. Unfortunately, Renata showed up with her roomate, wanting to party with me. As a GDP newcomer, Fernanda didn't take the unexpected company well, and bailed, leaving me with the two younger women. Veterans would have stripped, crawled into bed, and waited for the party to begin. Fortunately, Fernanda's departure ended up being a very very good thing.
Session 2 – Renata arrived first, and we were going at it pretty good, when Brenda showed up, cleaned up, and dove in. Brenda, a 9 face, 9 hair, 8 body (9 with a c-section scar), and a 10 attitude. She has a spinner body, but as small as she is, has full full perky see cups (young, no kids, and it shows). She is one good looking woman. The girls were comfortable kissing one another, and generally were playful throughout the session. We switched back and forth between focusing on one girl or the other. In some positions, I got a BBBJ while working other girl. The only time they double teamed me was during the dedicated BBBJ sessions. They were not afraid to be expressive, to be anally penetrated, etc. In front of one another. It was a very nice night, about 2. 5 hours.
I woke up with a raging hard-on at about 5 AM, and Brenda pounced on me like she hadn't had sex for a month. It was much more intense than a few hours earlier, with true porn anal at the end. She finished me off BBBJCIM, and it was like she needed my come. Her technique was "best I have ever had", and her energy level was contagious. If I am stranded on a desert island with one woman, I want that woman to be Brenda. The girls were out the door the next morning bright and early, with both expressing their desire for a rematch.
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Day 9 – Saturday Slumming in Niteroi w/ Brazil Specialist
I met Theresa, who was visiting a mutual friend. She is a good looking woman in face and body, and very new to the trade. R150 for two hours. I was going to Niteroi, so a 2 hour session was not in the cards. She wanted R500 for TLN. Not worth it for an untried newbie, but this is part of the R1/minute philosophy the girls learn as they go into the industry. I will have to aim for a short session during the weekday sometime next week.
Niteroi – we set sail across the channel, bought some "here pretty girl, want some candy? " chocolate, and marched around a vertical version of VM. Each establishment varies in atmosphere, volume, etc. Some were air conditioned in the back, some fully airconed, some none at all. Some had clean restrooms and a nice shower, some sucked big time. Bringing your own bed sheet makes sense, as well as your own towel. Wear flip flops and shorts – they are easier to deal with as you drag your crap back for the shower. Generally, they are dark, loud, hot, crowded, with one to 5 woman going from solid 3's to in the 8's or higher face/body but rarely both at the same time. The local guys seemed to like the chubbier better endowed women. As I hunt spinner-class, that works just fine. The local guys sometimes marched around with their backpacks full of "kit", so that did not mark us as gringos. I saw no other obvious gringos the entire trip.
Could you boff multiple girls without a shower in between? Sure, but since I like BBBJ and completa, I feel compelled to clean up between sessions. I want the girl enthusiastic, not dragging her ass.
We passed on doable girls early on, and as the day turned to evening, the number of locals skyrocketed. The ratio of guys to girls, super-crowded rooms, it was time to move on. Lesson learned – the place is big enough that you are probably not going to double back. At n+5 pricing, just have fun groping the girl or whatever, and move on. Interestingly, some places actually jacked the price up from n+5 at the 30 minute mark. This definitely discourages guys like me that like longer sessions and more foreplay. So with no further ado.
Session 1 – Susy Not completa, no BBBJ. But she was a very cute spinner, so we slipped on a raincoat and I nailed her for 25 minutes, mainly using her high bed to work her over missionary with me standing. Was it my usual cup of tea? No. Was I ever going to get off covered after the week I have had to date? No. But it was definitely worth the R25 price. I gave her a small tip, just a few Real.
Session 2 – Mia Completa, BBBJ. Face was average (6. 5), body was smoking. Time is short in these places, so we moved directly to anal. She took me cowgirl, and it was an effort. Nice view, especially of her face as she worked herself down on me. Hot! But after about 20 strokes, moved over to lazy doggie. Suddenly, it's incredibly tight for me and comfortable for her. The petite spinner took it like a champ. She finished me BBBJCIM, and waltzed thru the post-session clean-up effort trying not to swallow. I gave her a nice tip for superior effort (R30).
Session 3 – Pati Not completa, but a solid BBBJ. After Mia, she was the ticket to a relaxing "cool down" session. She wanted to boff, but Mia made sure that I needed a reset period before that was going to happen with a cover on. Nice face, solid body, great eye contact throughout the BBBJ, decent technique. She had a good time rooting thru my collection of toys and lubes. She wanted to shave my penis (sorry girl, not happening with a GDP), but was happy to dump cherry lube on and go to town. I would not probably do her again, but it was worth doing once.
If the apartments at Niterol had A/C, cut their jukebox volume in half, stocked soda instead of just cervesa, and had nice clean-up facilities, I could see being a regular just for variety's sake. For less than the cost of a session at L'omo's, I sessioned three times for 1. 5 hours. And paid for the taxi, the ferry, the chocolate, all of my drinks, all of my tips, etc. There was no preliminary make-out session, just boffing in the back room. Style-wise, I prefer 4x4, where you have to work to find a girl that is not dirty/sexy/nasty in all sorts of good ways.
Session 4 – side trip over to L'uomo's to session with Suzy. It was a nice rough session, more focused on me than her. She took to the toy I brought along nicely. I finished the standard way, BBBJCIM.
Session 5 – I spent the night with Renata solo, and it was sensational. I let her know up front that I wanted sex in the AM as well, and that she should take that into account as she planned her wake-up time. She agreed, R250 TLN, double session. I focused on straight sex in the PM, where we went for 1. 5 hours, and anal in the AM for about 50 minutes. She was very responsive, and came many times. She is now comfortable with my using toys with her. For guys that are into that type of thing, she could be trained into a squirter. She gets wet enough, but when she comes, she just releases a wave of liquid rather than shooting an ounce into the guy's mouth. She did leave a nice puddle on the sheets (better remember to tip the cleaning woman well). She really gets into the GFE sex.
Renata is on Youtube, in several videos, just search against CM Renata. Her favorite appearance is in this video. http://www.Youtube.com/watch? V=EzMlckI7vX4. She is the woman in the red outfit. Laughing, I give you a fair warning as well. Renata is the only GDP in Brazil that has a clock and is not afraid to use it. She was pretty much on time every time she was supposed to come over.
Day 10 – Sunday Laid back with the Regulars
This is short and sweet. Well at least all the women involved are! I didn't finish up with Renata until about 1130, which seemed to make the day go by so very fast.
Session 1 – went to L'uomo's to see Suzy. It was a nice two and a half hour make-out session punctuated by a cabine private intermission. Suzy is wonderful.
Session 2 – met up with Racing team Renata/Brenda at 1115. The girls were in the mood to party. I had already showered, and was in a t-shirt and loose shorts. Brenda's We spent two hours looking around downtown, then hopping over to Dolce Vita, above Balcony Bar. The live music/club scene is pretty quiet on a Sunday. The girls ended up being cheap dates, and had a good time dancing and grinding. Even riding around in the taxi was fun when boxed between two sets of gorgeous gams. Brenda was far more aggressive in dancing, grinding, even flashing her ample breasts as she flirted. With Renata, it was much more of a normal date.
We ended up in my place, knowing that the girls were going to pile out the door at 0900. Brenda was the first girl out of the shower, which allowed me to focus on her for awhile. She is much more responsive and sensitive. Getting Renata off is a marathon; Brenda will sprint with the right techniques. Or toys. Or enough foreplay. Or. You get the idea. Brenda is very attractive in both the face and body, so it is a visual treat when she rides cowgirl.
The girls interacted with above the waist enthusiasm, which is still pretty fun. We played with the toys much more extensively, and I had the girls touching each other's pussy more experimentally. Both girls got off multiple times, and I came close to popping inside Brenda, which shows how tight she is. The double BBBJCIM finish was out of this world fun. These girls are into it. Brenda is in the top three BJ women I've been with solo, and the extra set of hands and tongue are awesome. They staggered to bed after 90 minutes. Then again, an early morning hard-on got Brenda excited and off we went at around 5 AM. When I am sleepy, I am much more into straight pounding the girl. Lazy doggie, missionary, legs over shoulder, anal lazy. She was pleased with my focused performance, and after getting off twice, she gave me a solo BBBJCIM. This girl is liquid sex. One night, I want to see if she will try to keep up with me all night. She seems to have the right attitude to make it a lot of fun to try!
I woke them up at 0920, and they staggered out the door twenty minutes later promising to be the evening's entertainment on Monday, and to be packed for beach-going Tuesday. Brenda wants a two girl photo shoot as well, which is good, as I have no pictures of either woman at this point.
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Fred,
I am happy I created my piece of REAL heaven in Brazil and am out. I suspect there are many here that would not have that option because of who they have become. But fascinating topics to explore in media projects.Yes I am definitely flogging a dead horse here. I don't know why I expected any different. Being a monger has never been a particularly honorable life style. I am glad to say there are still many mongers out there that have enough heart and life experience to be able to set their boundary's without the need to dehumanize the prostitutes to get off. Unfortunately the few low life tar us all with the same brush.
John Cricket
07-27-10, 15:16
Good point. I don't know that any of them (with the exception of Help) are gone for good. I have asked a couple of cab drivers about Mabs but they didn't know. So maybe it is just renovation, but in Rio that can take a long time.Franks seems to be gone for good. There's a big, fat "too rent" sign on its door.
John Cricket
07-27-10, 15:18
Fred,
I have to say again that I admire your efforts to discuss some important topics here (safe sex, caution in self-medicating, being respectful, etc.). But, unfortunately, I believe you are correct in your observations on mongerers' attitudes and demands. And I don't think you change affect change here. No one eants to think about the consequences of their actions anymore. It is all about intsnt gratification (look at the mess the economy is in in the US).
Funny how many guys here think they have Brazil all figured out. They like to put things under labels "third world business practices", "all women now have this attitude". That is a big part of the problem, people are not open to using their own minds and making their own opinions on a case by case basis. (This is why guys like Glen Beck and the Teabaggers have a voice). But let's face it, some mongerers have issues that don't allow them to function real well in the real world. For Christ sakes, 2 morons are arguing on and on about who used a mediocre phrase first on this forum. I also have guys PMing me (unsolicated) telling me who to talk to and trust here, and who to avoid. Like fucking grade school clicks. It is actually important for some guys here to be seen as the witty experts to a small band of aging and sociopath misfits here. I could never accept one guy's opinion of a woman because I may be very different then that guy and get a totally different vibe from her. I remember early on reading a review on a GDP and my experience was the total opposite.
I am happy I created my piece of REAL heaven in Brazil and am out. I suspect there are many here that would not have that option because of who they have become. But fascinating topics to explore in media projects.One of the best posts I've read here in a while.
Poucolouco
07-27-10, 21:57
Day 9 – Saturday Slumming in Niteroi w/ Brazil Specialist
..Niteroi – we set sail across the channel, bought some "here pretty girl, want some candy? " chocolate, and marched around a vertical version of VM. Each establishment varies in atmosphere, volume, etc. Some were air conditioned in the back, some fully airconed, some none at all. Some had clean restrooms and a nice shower, some sucked big time. Bringing your own bed sheet makes sense, as well as your own towel. Wear flip flops and shorts – they are easier to deal with as you drag your crap back for the shower. Generally, they are dark, loud, hot, crowded, with one to 5 woman going from solid 3's to in the 8's or higher face/body but rarely both at the same time. The local guys seemed to like the chubbier better endowed women. As I hunt spinner-class, that works just fine. The local guys sometimes marched around with their backpacks full of "kit", so that did not mark us as gringos. I saw no other obvious gringos the entire trip..
Session 1 – Susy Not completa, no BBBJ. But she was a very cute spinner, so we slipped on a raincoat and I nailed her for 25 minutes, ..
Session 2 – Mia Completa, BBBJ. Face was average (6. 5), body was smoking. Time is short in these places, so we moved directly to anal. .. I gave her a nice tip for superior effort (R30)…
Session 3 – Pati Not completa, but a solid BBBJ.. I would not probably do her again, but it was worth doing once..
For less than the cost of a session at L'omo's, I sessioned three times for 1. 5 hours. And paid for the taxi, the ferry, the chocolate, all of my drinks, all of my tips, etc. There was no preliminary make-out session, just boffing in the back room. Style-wise, I prefer 4x4, where you have to work to find a girl that is not dirty/sexy/nasty in all sorts of good ways…
O Dia reported yesterday that the father and son proprietors of the casa at Amaral Peixoto 327, Niterói Centro were cited by police this week on charges of “ruffianism” and running a house of prostitution. The owners of the brothel were splitting the fees with the garotas receiving 60% and the owners 40% for programas ranging from R$ 20 to R$ 120. The facilities were described as absolutely unhealthy conditions.
SlimHoleDrill
07-27-10, 22:07
I thought Monte Carlo was always closed on sunday's. The only terma open on sunday's is L'uomos. At least that is the way i remember it. But still the entire closing thing Sucks.
No, it is definitely open on Sundays but not after July. Seems like it was not a number of years ago, but I can't remember. It may come back when high season gets here. Also, for anybody interested, last time I checked, Centauras was open on Sunday, too.
Mr Enternational
07-27-10, 22:30
O Dia reported yesterday that the father and son proprietors of the casa at Amaral Peixoto 327, Niterói Centro were cited by police this week on charges of “ruffianism” and running a house of prostitution. The owners of the brothel were splitting the fees with the garotas receiving 60% and the owners 40% for programas ranging from R$ 20 to R$ 120. The facilities were described as absolutely unhealthy conditions.NOOOOOOOO. Say it ain't so. What a crock. I wasn't even there trying to be healthy. I was there so the garotas could make me skeet! Brazil has really become an undesirable mongering destination. I guess 85 and VM will be on the chopping block next.
Poucolouco
07-28-10, 00:03
NOOOOOOOO. Say it ain't so. What a crock. I wasn't even there trying to be healthy. I was there so the garotas could make me skeet! Brazil has really become an undesirable mongering destination. I guess 85 and VM will be on the chopping block next.
Your guess is on the mark. VM is slated to be razed and become a station for the new fast train from Sao Paulo. Additionally a modern park has been designed to be built on the spot. No word on 85 yet. ;(
The girls are out the door, and I, being a mongering wimp (or wise) devoted the next three hours of my life to taking a nap. Suzy stopped by to chat on the way to work, but it was a platonic house call. Vanessa, a friend of a friend, was supposedly inbound at 4:30 but was a no-show at 6. Without worrying about whether she would show up later, I took off for 4x4, which is still my favorite terma. The subway crush was still on. Go early, go late, but during rush hour, the subway sucks.
Session 1 – Monique, 7. 5 face, full spinner-class.completa. We did some quality foreplay, but forewent straight sex for anal. Based on my preliminary touches, she was willing, but a rookie. This was going to take some time. She was good to her word and let me inside, but it was a very tight ride. She is the first girl that used the desensitizer, and then only after two good attempts using my high quality lube. I made sure that I wasn't too rough with this one; she was pleased that I didn't push her along. Once inside, it was a gentle affair, with slow strokes and hands gliding all over her body. We finished BBBJ, but I was shooting blanks. Surprisingly, she came across very GFE after we moved back to touching and cuddling. She allowed sexy photos as long as I do not publish those that include her face. Pics over in the pictures thread.
Session 2 – Bia, 7 face, bunda girl with bigger thighs. She is not my type, but after the last session, I was in the mood for rough anal. Bia came through with flying colors. The girl went gaga over GFE caressing, DATY, and frottage, but was not big into French kissing. Once we switched gears, she was more than willing to gobble up my full length and after a settling in period allowed me to pound her porn style. She was the only girl so far to use her legs against the wall to brace herself so that she could be boned harder – it was a Porn Star quality experience. Bia was not afraid to play with herself and got off on the drilling. Finished BBBJCIM. She allowed sexy photos that did not include her face. Pics over in the pictures thread.
Session 3 – the Renata/Brenda racing team was over. First we grabbed a bite to eat. Then we hit Bar 22 for a birthday celebration. Surprisingly, I was not the gringo sugar daddy paying for the party. We waled in, kissed everyone hello, the girls talked for 15 minutes, we kissed everyone goodbye, and off we went. Renata paid for the food, Brenda paid the taxi to the club. A GFE paid for something?! These are good girls, and we have blurred the line between GDP and boyfriend status via multiple sessions. Since I am with both more often than not, neither is getting territorial. This arrangement is about as good as it gets.
Once back in the room, Brenda was warming me up and wearing me out as Renata finished cleaning up. Brenda continues to be an instigator, and likes to be fucked hard, so I can't say that we do the classic foreplay anymore. It is more a free-for-all, with Brenda coming before I escape to the shower. Once back, life is good. Brenda is getting fuzzy (no, she is not a natural blonde) and so I let her shave me and then I shave her. With a quick class for Renata on how to stroke a woman's pussy, we teamed up on Brenda, me licking and Renata fingering, and got Brenda and her newly shaven pussy off nicely. Since I am trying to knock down some walls between the girls, I chose to put Brenda in Renata's lap, then pound Brenda missionary. Brenda liked it, but driving deep was a little to contortional for this monger. So I slid Brenda up higher. Renata did a good job stroking, kissing Brenda and staying involved as Brenda blasted off again. We switched to me munching on Renata, and Brenda playing with her first pussy. Brenda was much happier when I upgraded her to a toy. We worked hard, but got Renata off hard.
Then Brenda and I sandwitched Renata, with me giving her a mixture of frottage and a straight fuck, then showing her how she can get off rubbing against my knee/upper thigh. Swith over to Brenda, and then pull out and let the girls get one another off lesbo legs intertwined style. Brenda raced to the finish line with no problem. We then sandwiched Brenda, with me behind lazy doggie, and I got my completa trick. Finished to a four hand two mouth BBBJCIM, and we all retired to the showers.
As usual, there was an early morning session with Brenda. She woke up spooning with me, and reached back to see if I was hard or not. Nope. So she licks her palm, gets me hard, and stuffs me inside. This kicked off a pretty intense 30 minute hard fucking session that went through the usual litany of positions. My favorite was doggie, with Brenda's face bumping into the crack of Renata's ass on every stroke. Okay, so I lied. My favorite was porn star fucking Brenda's ass lazy doggie while she played with her pussy and got off yet again. We finished BBBJCIM. The girl has great technique, and always attacks my cum like she is starving.
The girls bumped out of the door – the day was not that great for going to the beach, so the girls are rescheduling for tomorrow. Brenda posed for some nice photos, and I promised we'd work on better pictures on Tuesday night. I will ask for permission to post a photo of her in the name of the fine institution of mongering.
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The Watcher
07-28-10, 02:42
Also, for anybody interested, last time I checked, Centauras was open on Sunday, too.
Are you sure it was Centaurus that is open on Sunday? I have never heard of Centaurus being open on Sunday; however, as my uncle often told me, the things that I have never heard of will make a world bigger than this one.
I believe Centaurus has never been open on Sunday. It certainly is not open on Sundays now.
Mr Enternational
07-28-10, 03:29
She finished me BBBJCIM, and waltzed thru the post-session clean-up effort trying not to swallow. Whenever a woman (pro or non-pro) tries this bs I like to tickle them until they are forced to swallow. It makes no sense at all that they would swallow the elephant then turn around and choke on the tail. Not to mention the disrespect of spitting out all of my could-have-been filhos.
Member #3439
07-28-10, 03:39
Whenever a woman (pro or non-pro) tries this bs I like to tickle them until they are forced to swallow. It makes no sense at all that they would swallow the elephant then turn around and choke on the tail. Not to mention the disrespect of spitting out all of my could-have-been filhos.
Before you get flamed by mongers who are in touch with their feminine side... Yes, this is a good tatic! If you went DATY on a garota and started spitting pussy juice all over the place...it wouldn't go over so well in reverse. I wanted to do this at NS Copa 583 last year, but I'm too nice to disrespect a girl like that, even if she's a cheap ho.
Very nice reports Rikkit! That Brenda-Renata duo seems a ton of fun. Sorry if I missed it, but where did you pick up these 2? And how much was the cachê for these 3somes?
Thanks man and keep'em coming those great reports.
Brazil Specialist
07-28-10, 07:33
Very nice reports Rikkit! That Brenda-Renata duo seems a ton of fun. Sorry if I missed it, but where did you pick up these 2? And how much was the cachê for these 3somes?
Thanks man and keep'em coming those great reports.
they were friends of mine. Renata happened to show up for a short visit exactly when rikkit showed up. they were both standing at my front door at the same time. Hilarious .........
A little spamming: contact me before coming to Rio! I try to be helpful with info, enjoy meeting fellow mongers, I do rent rooms at my apartment, sometimes take people along to where I monger, and appreciate help in bringing occasional shopping items from the US.
Both Renata and Brenda, I met them originally in very cheap places. Amazing what quality you can find for R$ 20 - 60, if you know where to look
By the way, for boob fans, I want to try this one today
http://www.amantesecia.com.br/veranuncio.php?anuncio=Carol%20Magalh%E3es
R$ 80 incall for an hour
Brazil Specialist
07-28-10, 09:09
Your guess is on the mark. VM is slated to be razed and become a station for the new fast train from Sao Paulo. Additionally a modern park has been designed to be built on the spot. No word on 85 yet. ;(
they plan to re-build VM elsewhere. Like it had happened before, when the closed down the original VM at the Mangue in Estacio.
Seems they are concerned to have a cheap outlet for the lower classes.
I am concerned about Mabs, Franks, closing down and Meia Pataca becoming even worse then it was in the past.
Recently they shut down a pimping ring with women from TV flying to europe for a R$ 6000 programa with soccer players, or R$ 20 000 with state governors. They had 2 governors on their customer list. This will probably get them off the hook.
well, maybe girls are meant only for poor Brazilians at low prices. I wish they installed showers and public pissoirs at VM.
In general, all over the world, feminists are managing to repress prostitution. Here we got a description of the enemy. They are winning the war on all fronts. Enjoy life before the age of consent becomes jacked up to 21 or more.
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/prostitution/feminist-arguments-against-prostitution-dismantled
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality
SlimHoleDrill
07-28-10, 13:22
Are you sure it was Centaurus that is open on Sunday? I have never heard of Centaurus being open on Sunday; however, as my uncle often told me, the things that I have never heard of will make a world bigger than this one.
Yeah, I am probably wrong about that. I just remember making dashes by there on weekends before flying out, but that was probably Saturday afternoon now that I think about it. That was a long time ago.
I'm not too interested anyway because it is still R450! I was walking by yesterday and decided to check just to see if they had some kind of promotion, but no. I'm surprised they stay open with that kind of price.
Probably just a lot of people with more money than brains. Actually, I am probably drifting into that category myself. And it is not because I have a lot of money.
SlimHoleDrill
07-28-10, 13:59
they plan to re-build VM elsewhere. Like it had happened before, when the closed down the original VM at the Mangue in Estacio.
Seems they are concerned to have a cheap outlet for the lower classes.
I am concerned about Mabs, Franks, closing down and Meia Pataca becoming even worse then it was in the past.
Recently they shut down a pimping ring with women from TV flying to europe for a R$ 6000 programa with soccer players, or R$ 20 000 with state governors. They had 2 governors on their customer list. This will probably get them off the hook.
well, maybe girls are meant only for poor Brazilians at low prices. I wish they installed showers and public pissoirs at VM.
In general, all over the world, feminists are managing to repress prostitution. Here we got a description of the enemy. They are winning the war on all fronts. Enjoy life before the age of consent becomes jacked up to 21 or more.
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/prostitution/feminist-arguments-against-prostitution-dismantled
http://human-stupidity.com/irrationality/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality
I am trying not to get too paranoid about it, but the scene at Balcony is concerning. I am afraid the "clean up Copa" group will go to work on that. There are apartments and businesses around there that I am sure do not like this spectacle every night. There are nice restaurants around the corner and apartments that could be renovated. If you shade your eyes from the mongering activities, you could imagine that Praca Lido could be a very tranquil and nice spot if it was cleaned up. I am sure that when it was built, it was a prime location. The fact is, those types of real estate opportunities are very limited and the money to be made from gentrification far outweighs what the mongers and their suppliers bring in.
I expect it is just a matter of time before they run off Balcony as well. Places like Barbarellas can probably stay since they keep it indoors. Although, free lancers hang around that block hoping to grab something going in or coming out. It will probably take a long time -- just look at how long it took them to do in Help. If the owners choose to fight, that is.
No, I agree, the world is moving that direction. In fact, it is hard to construct a reasonable political argument to support prostitution. The only one that seems to work is the "right to work" type of justification like they use in the Netherlands. That turns it into sort of a union thing which is not exactly what most of us have in mind.
So far, the decline in Rio seems to be economically oriented (low business) rather than from the political side. With the exception of Help. So, there is hope that when things pick up, it will come back. Meanwhile, activities are squeezed, fewer options. But still more than most places on the planet.
Mr Enternational
07-28-10, 22:23
I am trying not to get too paranoid about it, but the scene at Balcony is concerning. I am afraid the "clean up Copa" group will go to work on that. There are apartments and businesses around there that I am sure do not like this spectacle every night.Last time I was there I was taking note of the "regular" local people who had to trudge through the mess called Balcony. Also, has anyone noticed the apartments that are right above Balcony? The people who live there must be pulling their hair out every night because of the noise pollution and the so-called low-lifes. As someone said before, when Help went all the desirable GDPs went with it. Now we are stuck with the bottom of the barrel who want to charge us unreasonable rates. When they brought down Help they created a monster for the local residents and the visiting mongers. I for one would be in favor of them cleaning that Balcony shit hole up.
Last time I was there I was taking note of the "regular" local people who had to trudge through the mess called Balcony. Also, has anyone noticed the apartments that are right above Balcony? The people who live there must be pulling their hair out every night because of the noise pollution and the so-called low-lifes. As someone said before, when Help went all the desirable GDPs went with it. Now we are stuck with the bottom of the barrel who want to charge us unreasonable rates. When they brought down Help they created a monster for the local residents and the visiting mongers. I for one would be in favor of them cleaning that Balcony shit hole up.Help is gone yall need to stop crying there are great spots in Rio believe me just get away from copa this sounds like guys that are used to silver spoons in their mouths get out and get some ass that is to be had and stop wining because things are not at your disposal matter of fact I saw some good looking girls at balcony.
As someone said before, when Help went all the desirable GDPs went with it. .
I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?
By the way, for boob fans, I want to try this one today.
http://www.amantesecia.com.br/veranuncio.php?anuncio=Carol%20Magalh%E3es
R$ 80 incall for an hour[/QUOTE]we're waiting for your report Brazil Specialist!! she looks hot, how was the performance?
Rio Me Ever
07-29-10, 11:17
I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?Many went to Europe.
SlimHoleDrill
07-29-10, 13:33
I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?
Many of them are at Balcony. But Balcony just can't handle the volume. It is nowhere near as large as the area of Help/TA and the surrounding area. So at Balcony, the place gets completely packed, and it spills out all around. Also, since there is no giant disco, you are pretty much stuck outside with no place to sit if you get there late.
It's just different, but if you go, you will see a lot of familiar faces. I hope this is not see as more "wining". BTW, what's wrong with wining?
SlimHoleDrill
07-29-10, 13:55
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So I try to check out Caligula Whisky Club, a mid-price terma, just before Bandeira (there´s also a terma just as you get to Mimosa, but I´m not keen on it). Caligula Whisky Club is shut however (6pm-ish, Thur - for anyone who feels like checking it out). It´s on Pereira de Almeida. Take Rua Matoso from the south side of Praca Bandeira then, at the next junction, take the left fork straight ahead which is Pereira de Almeida. The Whisky Club is No.73 and on the right hand side. I´d expect to pay about 100R but can´t recall a field report recently so maybe someone will visit and let us know the up to date info.
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Checked it out the other day and found it open at 5:30 on a week day. It is now called Templo 73 Club (Rua Pereira de Almeida, 73). I didn't stay because of lack of time, but physically, it looked pretty nice with an awning from the entry out to the street. There were nice, decent-looking people running it. I looked inside the boitche and although dark, it looked clean, with three or four garotas were sitting around.
Here is what I could find out. Entrance is 30R, and probably includes some beers, but I am not sure. Then they had 3 levels of rooms/service? 25, 30 and 35 R, I think. It was not clear, but I guess this is just the room and there is a separate garota charge? Sorry, I forgot to get this key piece of information. If someone would like to call to clear up these details, they list their phone numbers as 3217 3373 and 2502 8001. My Portuguese is just not good enough. I suspect it might be a very good option if you are in the neighborhood. The fact is, Praca Bandeira is a pretty long hike from Zona Sul. Now, if you are downtown already, that is a different situation.
They were very keen that I come in, saying they had a big festa going on with a strip show. I think they said there was a second floor. The place was decorated with balloons so it looked like something might happen. I guess it is under new management and has had some renovation, but I just didn't have time to do a full investigation.
Before you get flamed by mongers who are in touch with their feminine side... Yes, this is a good tatic! If you went DATY on a garota and started spitting pussy juice all over the place...it wouldn't go over so well in reverse. I wanted to do this at NS Copa 583 last year, but I'm too nice to disrespect a girl like that, even if she's a cheap ho.Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?
John Cricket
07-29-10, 20:12
No, I agree, the world is moving that direction. In fact, it is hard to construct a reasonable political argument to support prostitution. The only one that seems to work is the "right to work" type of justification like they use in the Netherlands. That turns it into sort of a union thing which is not exactly what most of us have in mind.Actually, it's quite easy. The problem is, you can't argue that the world is round to people who believe in a flat Earth. When your opponents decide that they are going to go on faith alone, rational arguements make no impact.
It is a simple and well-proven fact that a well-administered sex work scene which is focused on protecting workers' rights is a safer scene than the illegal one prohibition creates.
Arguing this, however, is like trying to argue that pot should be legalized. Any way you cut it, pot is far less harmful than most legal drugs. The "just say no" dogma, however, makes it impossible to have a rational debate on this topic with many. Maybe most. People.
So with prostitution.
John Cricket
07-29-10, 20:15
Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?Some folks seem to equatr masculinity with being an asshole, just like many feminists do.
I will be in Rio in November. Just wondering, where did the desirable GDPs go after Help closed?Rio is finished (actually it is finished since long). Every dump from Macapa to Porto Alegre sends it's hottest and finest to Sao Paulo for a chance at Bright Lights Big City. The money and the best boites are in Sao Paulo, not in fucking Rio.
By the way, as a reminder, there is in Sao Paulo the best freelancer club on the planet in the history of mankind (Love Story), so why crying over Help closure?
Many went to Europe.Did they? Many? Where - if you are talking from first-hand experience having spent time in the E.U. since Help has closed. Many have abandoned Spain. Some in Italy. Some in Germany.
day 12 – recharging the batteries
after the girls left, i crashed for another 4 hours, and woke up feeling great. but instead of going out to cause trouble, i spent a quiet day recharging my batteries. the girls were back at 1130, and i was hoping to get the best performance out of them yet.
session 1 – the girls were on time. i put them into a 69, and banged renata from behind. brenda was armed with a vibrator, and wasn't afraid to put it to good use. i rolled renata over to missionary after a few minutes, with brenda continuing to work her over, with more kisses and attention to her nipples. renata finished with me daty and brenda driving the toy. we switched our attentions over to brenda, and got her off quickly in the same manner daty, toy). brenda went to clean up, so i 69ed with renata and upgraded the toy to a big one. brenda came back and drove the toy, and renata came in record time as i pushed a finger into her ass. renata cleaned up, and i was 69ing and toying with brenda. she gets off easy, but she is insatiable. so she jumped on me cowgirl and got off again. with renata back, the girls double-teamed me bbbjcim.
day 13. 4x4, florida, balcony
we had a lazy morning in bed. brenda wanted her morning sex. you have to love this girl. then the girls packed up and we headed to the beach sans bikini for brenda. she paid for what she bought on the beach, and it was pretty spectacular. hving the bikini sales guy loiter in our area was nice too – he attracted some nice eye candy. we ate, drank, tanned, read books, and in general were just another three people on the beach. the eye candy was nice, with two or three gdps in the area and some non-gdps that were equally nice décor. one of the gdps was a friend of brenda's so she wandered back and forth talking, raiding the french fries, and flirting with me. the beach guy tried to hit me with the usual outrageous gringo prices, but i sicced my accountant (renata is not a gdp) on the problem and let her sort it out. even after the price was put in the ballpark, she argued another r10 off the bill. amazingly, we went third-sies on the bill, with each of us chipping in on the food, etc. i was quite pleasantly surprised.
the best laid plans of mice and men, dave did not come thru with the double date. so i headed down to centro and 4x4. the petite spinner was still mad at me for daring to session with another girl (give me a break), but i did repeat with april.
session 1. was this the same girl? we gabbed like we were old friends. in the cabine, she wanted to focus on me. she gave a decent bbbj, and we rolled thru cowgirl and missionary. but she was on a mission. i got her to relax, lie back, and did her ass scissors and lazy doggie. she finished me bbbj. it wasn't bad, but despite our increased familiarity outside the bedroom, inside it was a notch down from the first session.
session 2 – rubi, a bigger blonde girl with nice big ds, a friendly face (6. 5), a pretty tight body(8). after the experience with april, i went back to making sure the girl was very happy. after she got off twice, she jumped back on the program and wanted to get me off quickly. again, i got her to calm down so that i could enjoy myself banging her ass. she finished me bbbj; i didn't really give her a chance to jump on for cim, but she didn't lunge for me like many of the others once i started coming.
on the way home, i made a few stops. club florida was not worth the r10 admission. the facility is nice, but the place was dead. six girls, one kinda cute, one do-able, almost no customers. so after just a few minutes, i headed back to copa. balcony was probably the best yet, with three cute spinners and a few new faces that were worth checking out. i didn't take anything home, as i was expecting delivery.
session 3 – renata and brenda. renata arrived at midnight, and we went for a walk on the beach. she is pretty uptight, but likes the romantic accents in the time we spend together. after heading back to the room we had a very nice time being gentle and making love vice fucking like bunnies. she has a hard time orgasming, but this was working out very well. then brenda arrived at around 2 am, but i wasn't finisted with renata yet. after bbbj and me boffing brenda hello, we went to work on getting the biggest orgasm out of renata yet. i kept the pace slow and took her in the ass. brenda played with her breasts, bit her neck, played with her pussy and in general gets a big assist for this one. then brenda literally said "my turn to come". we did the same things, but this time i upped the intensity two notches. they then did the usual team up on me then, bbjcim. renata settled in to sleep at around 430 am, and i kept going with brenda until she came twice more. she gives a great bbbj, but i was shooting blanks by then. we went to sleep about 30 minutes later. about three hours later, i had a morning erection, brenda decided to use this opportunity, and we were back to the races for 45 minutes of working through every position known to man.
day 14 – another trip to 4x4
the girls woke up at 1 pm and pulled out as the cleaning lady rolled in. i never got to re-session with renata one-on-one, which is bad, because i was looking forward to continuing to get her to break free. i suspect that she is capable of squirting and of having rolling orgasms, and wanted to push her boundaries for, er, scientific purposes.
i had no plans, so i headed back to 4x4 to session with two girls that interested me. both danced the night before, and looked fine. they were both slender, both had disproportionately large natural boobs in great shape.
session 1 – fany, 23, dark skinned mulato, great face (8. 5) great body (9), tall, the cup, tiny waist. she is the 2nd best dancer at 4x4 – you can't miss her. i focused on her most of the session. and she enjoyed the daty attention. she is vocal and was more than pleased to express when i was pushing the right buttons. i got more safados for her earth shaking orgasm than any other girl this trip. we didn't really fuck all that much – she took me cowgirl, and missionary, then lazy doggie, and anal lazy doggie, which worked much better for me – as the end of the trip draws near, i am running out of steam. fany was wonderful to be with. she is very popular with the guys – if at first you do not see her, she is off sessioning with someone.
session 2 – lorraine, 36, white skinned, good face (7. 5), great body (8. 5), see cup, tiny waist, petite spinner class. she is the best dancer at 4x4 – you can't miss her. she looks much younger (she is markedly better looking than the average 20-something at 4x4. she also has fun at work, and it shows. i really focused on her, as my gun had not recharged after fany. lorraine too was more vocal than girls on earlier days. she wanted oral, demanded finger penetration, and when she was close, took her orgasm into her own hands and finished herself off. she's another of those girls that plateaus out quickly, so i was able to prolong her orgasm out over a minute. her 36 year old speed breaks work well. she had the 2nd or 3rd tightest pussy of this trip. when she was closing on her first orgasm, she was able to grind the fingering to a halt. a little quality lube later, i was able to get her off. hmmm, i should have switched order between fany and lorraine. when it was my turn to get off, i went from frottage to anal lazy doggie. we still had time, so i gave her a halfway decent back massage, which earned me a "friends for life" button. she is picture shy, sorry about that guys.
the renata/brenda team are inbound. i'll forgo any further detailed reporting on these two. you already get the gist of what it's like to be with these two, and report by exception when i pull together the day 15 report.
Member #3439
07-30-10, 06:27
Since when does being respectful mean one has to be in touch with one's feminine side. Go back and read the posts from Mr. E. You want to be best buds with him?
I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl at NS Copa by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy, that's *respect* for someone who is genuinely laying it all out and just being herself without the pretense or hangups of a poseur.
Ask yourself, if you were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to have visited any of the places in Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.
As for all this other talk about Copa, if guys are getting caught up in Copa and never getting out, they are missing most of the girls and almost all of the Rio experience! Of my 28 girls reported in the last year, only 5 were in Copa. It's easy outside Copa too. I was just skimming the surface of Centro and Norte with no problem finding hundreds of doable girls. I haven't even ventured to Niteroi, Bonsucesso, but expect hundreds more off the beaten path. It's fun mongering up in the old city, just think..300 years ago the Portuguese safados were probably hunting for the GDP's up and down these same streets and alleys, perhaps the GDP ancestors of today's GDP's. You can't get that feel in Copa.
If Copa does 'close' for mongering, I doubt that girls just have the ho knocked out of them and go straight because their favorite place closed up. How could one ever walk away from such a fast-money lifestyle? HIV? (No) Pregnancy? (For a while). Cash windfall? (Perhaps) Got religion? (They already have it) Certainly I hope not just because the gringo watering holes were off limits. In most of the places that I monger, I don't see gringos, but the places are hopping and flourishing. Much like P4P in Tokyo, the P4P culture in Rio doesn't need foreigners or a centralized scene to sustain itself or its 'look the other way' acceptance.
I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy. It's sex, natural and shouldn't be complicated with all the hangups that people put into our heads.
Ask yourself, if *you* were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to visit Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.
As for all this other talk about Copa, if guys are getting caught up in Copa and never getting out, they are missing most of the girls and almost all of the city experience. Of my 28 girls reported in the last year, only 5 were in Copa and I was just skimming the surface of Centro and Norte. I haven't even ventured to Niteroi, Bonsucesso, etc. It's fun mongering up in the old city, just think..300 years ago the Portuguese safados were probably hunting for the GDP's up and down these same streets and alleys, perhaps the GDP ancestors of today's GDP's. You can't get that feel in Copa.If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.
You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?
Lastly, I also read these guys go on and on about Copa changing. Hell, Brazil is changing. The world is changing. I personally have no issue with developing nations and women become more empowered and having increasing choices. I personally never felt like I needed to hold someone down to prop myself up. As a member of the human race, I view some reshuffling of wealth and opportunities as a great thing. It seems like some here only view the world through monger glasses. It is their right to do so, however pathetic I think that may be. (And, oh yeah, not all "hos" have babies)
I'm pointing out that the standard doesn't go both ways, as with my example of my not wanting to offend a girl at NS Copa by spitting her pussy juice out, while the common GDP thinks nothing of spitting out a load like it's not part of her job to swallow. IMO, if you're going to be a ho, its not a safe thing no matter how you play it. Give yourself to the job, else go home to your babies and work a normal job during the day like the rest and make way for some upcoming nympho who will meet expectations. Likewise, I don't half-ass a job on a girl if she's offering herself to me bareback or wanting to do something special that makes me uncomfortable. I just go along if that's what makes her happy, that's *respect* for someone who is genuinely laying it all out and just being herself without the pretense or hangups of a poseur.
Ask yourself, if you were a person who stopped short of pleasing *your* customers, is it likely that you'd ever have the money or opportunity to have visited any of the places in Rio? More likely you'd be unemployed back in EUA living off the printing presses of BO. You've earned a right to high expectations and GDP dedication equal to what you put into getting the money that you gave them.Now I understand you are in the same business. So all your clients are happy are they? In that case you have earned the right. LOL!
SlimHoleDrill
07-30-10, 13:10
If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.
You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?
Lastly, I also read these guys go on and on about Copa changing. Hell, Brazil is changing. The world is changing. I personally have no issue with developing nations and women become more empowered and having increasing choices. I personally never felt like I needed to hold someone down to prop myself up. As a member of the human race, I view some reshuffling of wealth and opportunities as a great thing. It seems like some here only view the world through monger glasses. It is their right to do so, however pathetic I think that may be. (And, oh yeah, not all "hos" have babies)
Wow, where to start.
PP, concerning your post on work ethics which started this, it is interesting to see Calvinism applied to the ladies trade. Probably not going to happen on a large scale. They offer a service, you decide if you want to buy. That is just the way it is. The idea that there are multitudes of women just waiting to swallow for us is absurd. How often does anyone pull that off the street without paying? Also, in my opinion, you are over the line on respectful language. Use of the term *ho* and the context seems to violate the spirit of the board.
Now on globalization, I have no problem with that. However, I can't help but be a little nostalgic when some things disappear that I had enjoyed. I know there is a little contradiction in this, but all of us who participate have this same contradiction. Nobody wants to hold people down just for our fun, but, if girls don't need the job, believe me, almost all would choose something else. So there is that dilemma and most of us deal with it by, consciously or not, saying I didn't cause this, it is already here, might as well join in the fun.
People can argue they are the lazy ones who don't want to work in a regular job and that is one facet of the issue. Another is that they are those who want more and are willing to work in undesirable jobs to get it. Sounds like the America system in that light. The truth is, there are all kinds. To paint them with one brush is entirely inaccurate. You will run into the kind that will rip you off and on the other end of the spectrum, find those who are just frightened little girls. One from Balcony the other day told me how dangerous she thought her work is. Once she learned she was safe, she became a different person, very vulnerable. They are people. The denigration people use to characterize them as a lower form is really an excuse for why it is ok to treat them a certain way.
Rio as a mongering destination. This will probably create a loud discussion, but, in my opinion, Rio has never been such, not on a world scale like Thailand or the Philippines. There has always been a local scene and some foreigners have discovered it and enjoyed. The only real sign that it was starting to become a destination was the emergence of Help which started as a locals scene, attracted a foreign audience and started to grow. When it got too big, they killed it.
VM, the mongering pride of Rio, is pitiful on a world scale. Just think of Patpong Road, Soi Cowboy, etc. all of the streets in Bangkok that are filled with tourists. Now that is a mongering destination. In my opinion, Rio is for the Cariocas and others have come in, which is fine. But I don't think there has been enough tourism to really change it. Note that PP says he never runs into gringos when he is out of Zona Sul and I agree. Those of us who are nostalgic, I guess, hope it does not get to be a mongering destination because that would likely ruin it, at least for those who know as it has been.
To paint them with one brush is entirely inaccurate... They are people. The denigration people use to characterize them as a lower form is really an excuse for why it is ok to treat them a certain way.Well stated. Unfortunately there will always be those that will want to be the "big mac daddy" and act a certain way with the working ladies, and then talk a good game for the fellas.
Of course, you can't put any group of individuals under one classification. They are individuals. And there are individual businesses run by indivdual people, but there is a tendancy for guys here to say "they don't know how to conduct business in Brazil."
Now I understand you are in the same business. So all your clients are happy are they? In that case you have earned the right. LOL!Is he saying what I think he is saying? He's a "Man ho"?
If something makes you uncomfortable, why feel pressured to go along with it? Especially when it can kill you (oh that again!) It is not a simple hangup, it really can be life and death man. But if you want to make that choice to do something you acknowledge you are uncomfortable with (and can really fuck you up) to make a "cheap ho" happy, then by all means go ahead. Seems like warped logic to me.
You also talk about "hos" really having to work hard to earn the money you gave them, but yet you also recommended simply giving into a termas that is demanding payment after cheating you of your time in a cabine. Why is that?The man calls himself 'puta playa'. it isn't like he hasn't been upfront about what he is / does. as for safe-sex, would anyone compos mentis do half the things he's recounted if they didn't have already a disease? it's a big tent, like it or not.
Will Power
07-30-10, 17:17
Wow, where to start.
PP, concerning your post on work ethics which started this, it is interesting to see Calvinism applied to the ladies trade. Probably not going to happen on a large scale. They offer a service, you decide if you want to buy. That is just the way it is. The idea that there are multitudes of women just waiting to swallow for us is absurd. How often does anyone pull that off the street without paying? Also, in my opinion, you are over the line on respectful language. Use of the term *ho* and the context seems to violate the spirit of the board.
Now on globalization, I have no problem with that. However, I can't help but be a little nostalgic when some things disappear that I had enjoyed. I know there is a little contradiction in this, but all of us who participate have this same contradiction. Nobody wants to hold people down just for our fun, but, if girls don't need the job, believe me, almost all would choose something else. So there is that dilemma and most of us deal with it by, consciously or not, saying I didn't cause this, it is already here, might as well join in the fun.
People can argue they are the lazy ones who don't want to work in a regular job and that is one facet of the issue. Another is that they are those who want more and are willing to work in undesirable jobs to get it. Sounds like the America system in that light. The truth is, there are all kinds. To paint them with one brush is entirely inaccurate. You will run into the kind that will rip you off and on the other end of the spectrum, find those who are just frightened little girls. One from Balcony the other day told me how dangerous she thought her work is. Once she learned she was safe, she became a different person, very vulnerable. They are people. The denigration people use to characterize them as a lower form is really an excuse for why it is ok to treat them a certain way.
Rio as a mongering destination. This will probably create a loud discussion, but, in my opinion, Rio has never been such, not on a world scale like Thailand or the Philippines. There has always been a local scene and some foreigners have discovered it and enjoyed. The only real sign that it was starting to become a destination was the emergence of Help which started as a locals scene, attracted a foreign audience and started to grow. When it got too big, they killed it.
VM, the mongering pride of Rio, is pitiful on a world scale. Just think of Patpong Road, Soi Cowboy, etc. All of the streets in Bangkok that are filled with tourists. Now that is a mongering destination. In my opinion, Rio is for the Cariocas and others have come in, which is fine. But I don't think there has been enough tourism to really change it. Note that PP says he never runs into gringos when he is out of Zona Sul and I agree. Those of us who are nostalgic, I guess, hope it does not get to be a mongering destination because that would likely ruin it, at least for those who know as it has been.An excellent post.
Most mongers are aware that we are exploiting the economically disadvantaged. Levels of poverty is the primary reason that mongers travel to these areas. I spoke to one monger who compared himself to the NIKE cheap labor factories. Making shoes and having your body used by an ugly old monger who has no concern for your health or well being are very different.
I like to think most mongers do make an effort to treat the prostitutes with some respect. Reading some of the the posts from some mongers on this board, makes me feel that a few might have very sad lives. I suspect for what ever reason they are or have become more damaged than their victims.
The man calls himself 'puta playa'. it isn't like he hasn't been upfront about what he is / does. as for safe-sex, would anyone compos mentis do half the things he's recounted if they didn't have already a disease? it's a big tent, like it or not.Agreed. Such disregard for one's own well-being would lead you to that conclusion.
Someone got in contact with me about a question about Solarium. I will share my answer with the rest of the forum.
If you decide to go to Solarium, it is my suggestion you do not go on a friday. The girls do not wear bikini's on friday. They wear clothing as if they were going out dancing to a club ib Lapa or barra, etc.
Even though they look great, these outfits allow them to hide some of their flaws. When wearing the bikini, its more difficult to do that.
Rio is finished (actually it is finished since long). Every dump from Macapa to Porto Alegre sends it's hottest and finest to Sao Paulo for a chance at Bright Lights Big City. The money and the best boites are in Sao Paulo, not in fucking Rio.
By the way, as a reminder, there is in Sao Paulo the best freelancer club on the planet in the history of mankind (Love Story), so why crying over Help closure?
FYI - Love Story is also closed!
Some folks seem to equatr masculinity with being an asshole, just like many feminists do.Amen to that.
FYI....
So far as in the abbrevations list of Jackson here, there is not FYI, explain me, please, what it means..... thanks :)
So far as in the abbrevations list of Jackson here, there is not FYI, explain me, please, what it means..... thanks :)
For Your Information!?!
The Tall Man
07-31-10, 02:44
Man where does it go!!!! I just was thinking of my two trips to Rio back in the year 2000 - 10 fricken years ago!
The first trip to Rio was for 2.5 weeks exactly 10 years ago this month! The 2nd visit was for 3 weeks and it occured in October/November of 2000! I should look back in the old reports (if they go back that far) and see if I could dig some old reports out. Just a thought.
Help was my main stay at night but also partook of the many "Houses of Rising Sun". I recall a very favorite girl of mine. I met her on my first trip......yes Carla was her real name, oh the memories. I sometimes wonder where she and the other ladies ended up at? Got married? Had kids? Got their throat slit by some thug? Died of HIV? I don't know. I do know that it is a hard life.
Oh and although I have not been back to Rio in 10 years I have been to many other countries to play. Just this year alone I have been to Colombia twice for a total of almost 2 months. But that is for another section.
Be safe guys!
The Tall Man
I can relate, TM. I haven't been to Rio since 1986 (!) but remember it as one of the best times of my life! It's back on the "to do" list again, for sure!
I recall meeting a carioca on Copacabana who was maybe 18, tiny thing with big jugs and a tight little box who spoke no English. Nevertheless, we went out dancing with her two equally cute sisters; and also went to the amazing New Year's Eve gathering on the beach where millions of Brasilians wear white clothing and bring candles and white flowers to the Goddess of the Sea. It is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in my life! I personally enjoyed that more than carnaval!
Gostoza! and "I'll be back"!
Man where does it go!!!! I just was thinking of my two trips to Rio back in the year 2000 - 10 fricken years ago!
The first trip to Rio was for 2.5 weeks exactly 10 years ago this month! The 2nd visit was for 3 weeks and it occured in October/November of 2000! I should look back in the old reports (if they go back that far) and see if I could dig some old reports out. Just a thought.
Help was my main stay at night but also partook of the many "Houses of Rising Sun". I recall a very favorite girl of mine. I met her on my first trip......yes Carla was her real name, oh the memories. I sometimes wonder where she and the other ladies ended up at? Got married? Had kids? Got their throat slit by some thug? Died of HIV? I don't know. I do know that it is a hard life.
Oh and although I have not been back to Rio in 10 years I have been to many other countries to play. Just this year alone I have been to Colombia twice for a total of almost 2 months. But that is for another section.
Be safe guys!
The Tall Man
I can relate, TM. I haven't been to Rio since 1986 (!) but remember it as one of the best times of my life! It's back on the "to do" list again, for sure!
I recall meeting a carioca on Copacabana who was maybe 18, tiny thing with big jugs and a tight little box who spoke no English. Nevertheless, we went out dancing with her two equally cute sisters; and also went to the amazing New Year's Eve gathering on the beach where millions of Brasilians wear white clothing and bring candles and white flowers to the Goddess of the Sea. It is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in my life! I personally enjoyed that more than carnaval!
Gostoza! and "I'll be back"!Nice to hear the recalling of old great times from you and Tall Guy. Where you enjoyed the culture and what Brazil has to offer, beyond trying to nail 3 or 4 GDPs a day in hellholes. To each his own, but if you can vividly recall those memories some 25 years later they must have been something. I suspect some of the guys here won't be having the same fond memories as they sit around drooling in their oatmeal.* Hell, some of the guys probably won't even be around. The choices we make.
* Look for my book, "Drooling in my Oatmeal, Memories of a Monger" to be in stores later this year.
Brazil Specialist
07-31-10, 15:34
I can relate, TM. I haven't been to Rio since 1986 (!) but remember it as one of the best times of my life! It's back on the "to do" list again, for sure!
I recall meeting a carioca on Copacabana who was maybe 18, tiny thing with big jugs and a tight little box who spoke no English. Nevertheless, we went out dancing with her two equally cute sisters; and also went to the amazing New Year's Eve gathering on the beach where millions of Brasilians wear white clothing and bring candles and white flowers to the Goddess of the Sea. It is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in my life! I personally enjoyed that more than carnaval!
Gostoza! and "I'll be back"!
Life has changed. World wide! Nowadays, if this girl does not carry ID to prove she is over 18, and all her sisters, too, you will be arrested, or at least you have that possibility looming over your head at all times.
Feminists worked for decades to terrorize men. Nowadays you'd better do an ID check before you even talk to a chick. And have legal counsel ready to advise on local laws and habits. And be able to verify if an ID is legit.
And you have to proof her age, you have to prove you did nothing indecent with her. Nor that you had any intentions.
You can think the American feminists and the American government who pushed these agenda world wide.
You might enjoy this D cup, I still did not yet get around trying her
http://www.amantesecia.com.br/veranuncio.php?anuncio=Carol%20Magalh%E3es
Bad review here, but I think these were personal issues of the reviewer
http://www.gpguia.net/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=101602
BS, what are the odds that escort looks anything like that picture.
Have you used that site before?
Day 15
The final session of the trip was nice. After the girls left at 11 AM, I hitched up with Amanda, who is trying to freelance after a stint with one of the escort agencies. Pics below, face shy, about a 6. 5 face, very young. She is 19, pretty big (5'9"), and came across like much of the awkward country girl. We made out, and I tried to get her fired up. She just wasn't expressive enough for me to figure out when I was pushing the right buttons; she just laid there with a worried expression on her face. When she was trying to please me, she did know what she was doing though; I assessed this as experienced enough to know what men want, not comfortable with herself enough to know what she wants. BBBJ, then we moved to missionary, scissors, doggie style. Due to the lack of responsiveness, I figured that I would escalate to porn style anal, and had a lot of fun. Yes, this increased her responsiveness, but for the second time this trip, the girl resorted to desensitizing creme. If it works for her, it works for me. After rolling thru lazy doggie, reverse missionary, and doggie, she finished me off BBBJCIM. After we started cleaning up, then she was verbal. She was happy she got off so many times, with help from the small vibrator. We went out for lunch, ran an errand, and jumped back in bed for 30 minutes of hard anal, finishing again BBBJCIM. Roughly 3. 5 hours together, about 1 ¾ of that in bed, R200 plus R20 tip plus my last VS creme and lip gloss. She wanted to buy my pocket rocket vibrator; I gave it to her as well, which in Rio is a hell of a tip. But she was the anal queen of the trip, so I thought she had well and truly earned it.
Well, the adventure is over, and I am back home. Time to recharge the batteries before charging into Bangkok early next month.
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End of trip thoughts – first, I would gladly return to Rio. In preparation, I would get much more experienced with Porto, where I wasn't frustrated so often due to the language barrier. Second, I would continue to balance the escorts versus the freelancers versus the therma scene, but with more emphasis on the freelancers identified by my fellow mongers. I would work hard to set up another Brenda/Renata sleep-over dupla, as that was a good balance between having fun in and out of the bed without having made a two week "girlfriend" that wanted two weeks exclusivity. I pulled one out of Balcony, and she was good; I should have tapped that source more often earlier in the trip but was gun-shy as many GDPs from this source have gotten mediocre reviews in the past. I would also like to hit more of the Centro day places, if only to find a few gems to share with you all.
I'd be back in the apartments, but I would probably relocate back towards the northern end of the beach, as I did nothing with the GDPs on the beach despite good intentions otherwise. If I did stay towards the south, I'd favor getting a room from Brazil Specialist over Gringo Mgt or the like, as the room is nicer and the general accommodations are much better. And you would meet interesting women just hanging out there.
The girls generally took to the toys and lubes with no problem. Only one balked hard at the taste of the high end lube (H2O brand; too sweet for her), and none balked at being penetrated with the toys. Only one balked at being fingered, and was cool with it once I slipped a condom over the fingers. Even the sem completa girls were willing to let you play with their ass as long as you didn't try to porn star them. (One did not allow any touching at all; she must have had a bad experience). Two of the girls went from GFE to GDP once they got off, but in general the sessions were fun and unhurried.
I had backed down from 4 girls at 4X4 per night to 2, but was mixing in sleep-overs and early morning sex as well as late morning/early afternoon sessions. I liked the variety, and the quality repeats without having to give either one up. Meeting with like-minded mongers was fun, and added spice to the adventure. I'd bring less candy, more giftable pocket rockets, and more Victoria's Secret cremes, which were a consistent hit as "tips" ($6 for you on sale, R40 for the girl to buy herself).
Mr Enternational
08-01-10, 05:50
Most mongers are aware that we are exploiting the economically disadvantaged. Levels of poverty is the primary reason that mongers travel to these areas. I'm going to respectfully say bullshit to this one.
1. Since when is fair exchange exploitation?
2. Others who are at the same economic level have not taken this job and put themselves in a position to be "exploited". Explain.
3. Are any of these "economically disadvantaged" being forced to lie with any of us?
4. First world countries have fuck houses (Bunny Ranch, FKK, Amsterdam red light) and street walkers. The job description exists no matter the location's economic standing.
5. When mongers are not fucking in "these areas", 9 times out of 10 they are still fucking in other locations for a higher price per fuck.
6. When total cost is taken into account a monger undoubtedly spends more traveling to "these areas" than he would mongering on his home turf.
7. I think the mongers are the ones being exploited. Take a look at the price disparity of a SP who receives 50 reais/hour in the day time at BA 85 when servicing locals, but commands 200 reais/hour from foreigners later in the night at Balcony.
A. I would argue that anyone with a paying job is "economically disadvantaged." If not, then they would not need the job.
B. We are not exploiting anyone. We are merely making use of the services that were in place long before we came.
Crazy Jim Wood
08-01-10, 07:00
A. I would argue that anyone with a paying job is "economically disadvantaged." If not, then they would not need the job.
Yeah... "the man" is fucking us all.
I'm going to respectfully say bullshit to this one.
1. Since when is fair exchange exploitation?
2. Others who are at the same economic level have not taken this job and put themselves in a position to be "exploited". Explain.
3. Are any of these "economically disadvantaged" being forced to lie with any of us?
4. First world countries have fuck houses (Bunny Ranch, FKK, Amsterdam red light) and street walkers. The job description exists no matter the location's economic standing.
5. When mongers are not fucking in "these areas", 9 times out of 10 they are still fucking in other locations for a higher price per fuck.
6. When total cost is taken into account a monger undoubtedly spends more traveling to "these areas" than he would mongering on his home turf.
7. I think the mongers are the ones being exploited. Take a look at the price disparity of a SP who receives 50 reais/hour in the day time at BA 85 when servicing locals, but commands 200 reais/hour from foreigners later in the night at Balcony.
A. I would argue that anyone with a paying job is "economically disadvantaged." If not, then they would not need the job.
B. We are not exploiting anyone. We are merely making use of the services that were in place long before we came.Would you also say that Brazilians (and other top mongering destinations) have the same economic opportunities as we do in the US? Would you also say that some individuals' circumstances do not allow them to work 12 hours a day for 6 days a week for little R$? And as new economic opportunities start coming do you see more options for people to make livable wages in other lines of work? Would you personally pay $1000 or more US to go to the Bunny Ranch? Isn't a monger paying to go to Rio for a vacation too (in most cases), or increasingly going there on other business?
A monger can also go to BA 85 and pay the local rates. If a monger does not wish to do their research, or go to the available low cost options, and wants convenience they can pay higher prices. Like stopping at 7 / 11 for a loaf of bread instead of a supermarket. You'll pay double but you did not hassle with going to the market. Is that exploitation or a convenience charge? After all, the monger has the option.
Interesting to see how you got to mongers being the ones exploited in 7 easy steps. Nice attempt, but I ain't feeling sorry for anyone here.
SlimHoleDrill
08-01-10, 15:16
B. We are not exploiting anyone. We are merely making use of the services that were in place long before we came.
Like I said in my post below:
"So there is that dilemma and most of us deal with it by, consciously or not, saying I didn't cause this, it is already here, might as well join in the fun."
The fact is that in places like Thailand, they have built this industry in response to demand from foreigners. So maybe it is a favor to give them relatively high paying jobs? I agree with one thing -- it exists in a lot of places so it is not *simply* poverty. You also have the other reason I mentioned -- they are willing to take an undesirable job for higher pay.
My experience is that most of them have family obligations -- they have a small child and have been deserted by the father, for example. Others send money to family and in still other situations, the family is in debt and sells the girl into this obligation. A regular job at such low wages won't get it done. There are other reasons, but this has to be the overriding one on the world scale.
5. When mongers are not fucking in "these areas", 9 times out of 10 they are still fucking in other locations for a higher price per fuck.Where are you getting these stats from? What is that # based on? I personally have come to know 7 guys that now only monger when they go to Brazil, DR or other parts of Central and SA on business. Back at home, they have relationships, marriages, etc. A few used to dabble in Vegas hookers when there on business. But "have gotten spoiled by the excellent service and cheap prices in Latin America and elsewhere."
B. We are not exploiting anyone. We are merely making use of the services that were in place long before we came.So, isn't another way of saying this is that mongers have been exploiting people for a long time?
Like I said in my post below:
"So there is that dilemma and most of us deal with it by, consciously or not, saying I didn't cause this, it is already here, might as well join in the fun."
The fact is that in places like Thailand, they have built this industry in response to demand from foreigners. So maybe it is a favor to give them relatively high paying jobs? I agree with one thing -- it exists in a lot of places so it is not *simply* poverty. You also have the other reason I mentioned -- they are willing to take an undesirable job for higher pay.
My experience is that most of them have family obligations -- they have a small child and have been deserted by the father, for example. Others send money to family and in still other situations, the family is in debt and sells the girl into this obligation. A regular job at such low wages won't get it done. There are other reasons, but this has to be the overriding one on the world scale.
During my last trip alone, I spoke to one gal that is engaged to be married in December, her boyfriend knows what she is doing, and she plans to work only to November because she will have enough money to buy a house. She says she plans to being a gdp in November. Whether she stops or not, thats debatable, but she will be the proud owner of a house.
As 4 x 4, I met another mulata who has no children, and does not interested in having one anytime soon. She has worked in a spain for a few months, has no desire to go back, and she she calculates that she will have enough cash to buy her house by Febuary of next year. She lives with her mom and sister. Her plan is to quit once she gets the house.
Some meninas save there cash, others blow it. Bottomline, they are working for different purposes. Some because they have kids, and others because they want to improve their own personal situation.
People taking advantage of others? I think it works both ways at certain times. Sometimes I overhear guys say how much they paid for a session, and I feel like I am getting chest pains.......just insane knowing that they paid 400R for a garota that would have accepted 200R, and normally charges between 100-150R to the locals. Those are the moments when I ask myself.......who is taking advantage of whom. It works both ways.
During my last trip alone, I spoke to one gal that is engaged to be married in December, her boyfriend knows what she is doing, and she plans to work only to November because she will have enough money to buy a house. She says she plans to being a gdp in November. Whether she stops or not, thats debatable, but she will be the proud owner of a house.
As 4 x 4, I met another mulata who has no children, and does not interested in having one anytime soon. She has worked in a spain for a few months, has no desire to go back, and she she calculates that she will have enough cash to buy her house by Febuary of next year. She lives with her mom and sister. Her plan is to quit once she gets the house.
Some meninas save there cash, others blow it. Bottomline, they are working for different purposes. Some because they have kids, and others because they want to improve their own personal situation.
People taking advantage of others? I think it works both ways at certain times. Sometimes I overhear guys say how much they paid for a session, and I feel like I am getting chest pains. Just insane knowing that they paid 400R for a garota that would have accepted 200R, and normally charges between 100-150R to the locals. Those are the moments when I ask myself. Who is taking advantage of whom. It works both ways.Have anyone read the book Laughter Out Of Place
You will get a better understanding of the brasilian culture
Some brasilian women have no problem using everyting they have to offer including their bodies.
People taking advantage of others? I think it works both ways at certain times. Sometimes I overhear guys say how much they paid for a session, and I feel like I am getting chest pains. Just insane knowing that they paid 400R for a garota that would have accepted 200R, and normally charges between 100-150R to the locals. Those are the moments when I ask myself. Who is taking advantage of whom. It works both ways.IT's not called The Oldest Profession for no reason.
Mr Enternational
08-01-10, 23:19
Would you also say that Brazilians (and other top mongering destinations) have the same economic opportunities as we do in the US? No. That is what separates the first world countries from the others: opportunity. Most of us have a choice to do different or better. Take my forefathers for instance. When slavery was over in the U.S. they were granted opportunities. Many whites opened schools for them to help them become viable members of American society. Thus, until this day, we have over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities in the U.S. When slavery was abolished in Brazil what type of help did the former slaves receive? The same help that people are getting today. Not a damn thing.
Would you also say that some individuals' circumstances do not allow them to work 12 hours a day for 6 days a week for little R$?Of course. Everyone has circumstances that will or will not allow them to do a certain thing.
And as new economic opportunities start coming do you see more options for people to make livable wages in other lines of work?Not in Brazil I don't. I see the rich getting richer and the poor staying poor as has always been the case there. And as long as they have menial jobs such as an elevator operator or a person walking the street with a broom and dustpan I don't see much changing.
Would you personally pay $1000 or more US to go to the Bunny Ranch?HELL NO! It's like pulling teeth to get me to pay R$28 in Vila Mimosa!
Isn't a monger paying to go to Rio for a vacation too (in most cases), or increasingly going there on other business?I would say yes. But many of them fail to leave the block between NS Copa and Av. Atlantica. I remember being at the airport once and seeing some guys going to Rio who had on a bunch of jewelry. I told them that they should take all of it off before getting there. They told me not to worry because the only place they would be going is back and forth to Help.
Where are you getting these stats from? What is that # based on?When I said 9 out of 10 I didn't mean it literally. I was using it figuratively to mean many.
So, isn't another way of saying this is that mongers have been exploiting people for a long time?The same way many of our bosses exploit us. How many workers feel they are underpaid? How many have gotten wage cuts while at the same being required to take on a bigger work load? The good thing is that unless you are caught up in some sort of slave operation there is a revolving door. A person in any job can walk out through the same door they walked in.
The same way many of our bosses exploit us. How many workers feel they are underpaid? How many have gotten wage cuts while at the same being required to take on a bigger work load? The good thing is that unless you are caught up in some sort of slave operation there is a revolving door. A person in any job can walk out through the same door they walked in.You're missing something, Enternational: and that is, America is the Land of Opportunity. Where else can a person from nothing. No education, no talent, just plenty of nothing. Go and join the military, milk the tit for 20 years, while discovering how to exploit 3rd world women (I. E. Becoming full-grown man), collect himself a pension and swagger around full of his accomplishment? Why, only in America, the USA! No where else can a person of NO Talent live like like a little king than in the USA. In Brazil, the poor and good-looking girls have their talent and their bank between their legs, but they need a brain to go with it or else they end up in the gutter when they get too old to work.
No. That is what separates the first world countries from the others: opportunity. Most of us have a choice to do different or better. Take my forefathers for instance. When slavery was over in the USA they were granted opportunities. Many whites opened schools for them to help them become viable members of American society. Thus, until this day, we have over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities in the USA When slavery was abolished in Brazil what type of help did the former slaves receive? The same help that people are getting today. Not a damn thing
So, you agree that Brazilian have not had the same opportunities as we in the US. This could lead to less choices for them.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Of course. Everyone has circumstances that will or will not allow them to do a certain thing.And you agree that some people cannot work the standard 6 days and their options are limited. Again, less choices.
Not in Brazil I don't. I see the rich getting richer and the poor staying poor as has always been the case there. And as long as they have menial jobs such as an elevator operator or a person walking the street with a broom and dustpan I don't see much changing.Brazil has a rapidly emerging middle class (110 million strong). There is a housing shortage of over 8 million homes for people that want and can afford houses. And there are 1. 5 million more new families being formed and seeking homes added every year. There will be a major building surge for this middle class, along with planned communities, stores, etc. All with better jobs, education and increasing incomes. Car sales are increasing at a 12% annual clip (practically zero in the US). Cable TV, broadband services and satellite services increasing at 40% to 50% annually. Most people here only look at things in Rio as is today and love to repeat what they have heard about Brazil over and over. There is a new Brazil emerging. I am doing business there and I can tell you that many companies want to, and are, investing in Brazil in major ways. And, the rich getting richer thing, is the same all over the world. More wealth is controlled in fewer hands.
The same way many of our bosses exploit us. How many workers feel they are underpaid? How many have gotten wage cuts while at the same being required to take on a bigger work load? The good thing is that unless you are caught up in some sort of slave operation there is a revolving door. A person in any job can walk out through the same door they walked in.Sounds like you need a new job, or to go work for yourself. It is liberating, but most people don't take the plunge because they don't have the confidence in their abilities and the balls to step out. They like to ***** about their jobs and bosses, but they gladly take the pay check. But you really avoided my question, the reality is saying that "mongers are really just using a system that was in place for a long time is the same as saying people have been exploited a long time."
In my travels I've met alot of GDP's who use the business to get themselves set up for their futures. I know gals that own apartment buldings, as many as 8 houses (All paid for, ca$h) and charging rent for each one of them, setting themselves up for their futures.
I know some gals on the program that make as much as BR 5,000 to as much as BR 12,000 per month thanks to many of our more affluent mongers, you know those who don't look but love to overpay for everything. I'm sure there are some who make a lot more than that. These gals work in places that used to exist (Help, TA, etc.) and others that are still going strong (4 X 4, Monte Carlo, Lluomos, Balcony, etc.). Remember, the minimum salary in Brazil is roughly BR 500 per month. They are not being exploited. It is a fast track out of poverty for many of them, if they chose to be smart with their cash.
For these gals, no other job will give them as much money, power and freedom as the job that they do. They know that as long as their looks hold up, there will never be a shortage of reals in their future. They know it. So please, at those extremely high wages, do not say that they are being "exploited" in any way, shape or fashion. By comparison, in Nevada, a gal working in one of the legal brothel makes between $175,000 to as much as $350,000 per year and I mean the average gals not the porn stars that go to work there sometimes and command as much as $1,000K per year. Why do so many of them have business managers? Because, no matter the times, business is good :D
Gentlemen, these gals are there right now in bunda land, just talk to them. For them, as long as they stay healthy, it is a highway to a better future.
During my last trip alone, I spoke to one gal that is engaged to be married in December, her boyfriend knows what she is doing, and she plans to work only to November because she will have enough money to buy a house. She says she plans to being a gdp in November. Whether she stops or not, thats debatable, but she will be the proud owner of a house.
As 4 x 4, I met another mulata who has no children, and does not interested in having one anytime soon. She has worked in a spain for a few months, has no desire to go back, and she she calculates that she will have enough cash to buy her house by Febuary of next year. She lives with her mom and sister. Her plan is to quit once she gets the house.
Some meninas save there cash, others blow it. Bottomline, they are working for different purposes. Some because they have kids, and others because they want to improve their own personal situation.
People taking advantage of others? I think it works both ways at certain times. Sometimes I overhear guys say how much they paid for a session, and I feel like I am getting chest pains.......just insane knowing that they paid 400R for a garota that would have accepted 200R, and normally charges between 100-150R to the locals. Those are the moments when I ask myself.......who is taking advantage of whom. It works both ways.
In my travels I've met alot of GDP's who use the business to get themselves set up for their futures. I know gals that own apartment buldings, as many as 8 houses (All paid for, ca$h) and charging rent for each one of them, setting themselves up for their futures.
You know multiple girls who have accomplished all of this?! WOW!! I am truly amazed!!!!!! In 14 years of going to Rio, I probably know 2 girls who have wisely invested their money! The other 99.99999% blow their money on BS!
You know multiple girls who have accomplished all of this?! WOW!! I am truly amazed!!!!!! In 14 years of going to Rio, I probably know 2 girls who have wisely invested their money! The other 99.99999% blow their money on BS!LOL. Some of the girls working in Europa return to Brazil with enough to buy / build their little saltbox dreamhouses in their interior hometowns, and furnish them, too. But as for the rest of them, it's the win the lottery talk that keeps them going.
Mr Enternational
08-02-10, 06:56
But you really avoided my question, the reality is saying that "mongers are really just using a system that was in place for a long time is the same as saying people have been exploited a long time."From what I am reading apples are being compared to oranges. Neither statement, "mongers are really just using a system that was in place for a long time" nor "people have been exploited a long time" has anything to do with the other.
If you take the side that anyone who takes part in the buying side of prostitution is exploiting the seller then it would be true that mongers are exploiting prostitutes. I, however, do not take that side. As I have said before fair exchange is not exploitation. It would be different if the buyer forced the seller into the job or if the seller was forced to take whatever price the buyer was offering. In none of my mongering sessions (especially in Dubai where many of the women are indentured sex workers) has a woman been forced to take my offer. By the same token I have not been forced to take her offer. Each party has always been able to freely accept or decline the others' proposition.
As Voyajer said, they alone chose to work in the sex industry. Nobody went around to their houses and rounded them up and made them go to work at Balcony, Luomo, VM, 4X4, etc. So if there is any exploitation going on then they are exploiting themselves. What about the millions of other Brazilians who are in the same economic situation but who do not choose to peddle sex. The choice is theirs.
Sounds like you need a new job, or to go work for yourself. It is liberating, but most people don't take the plunge because they don't have the confidence in their abilities and the balls to step out. They like to ***** about their jobs and bosses, but they gladly take the pay check.I for one love my job as well as my pay and have no complaints. I have an MBA in International Business. I studied in Brazil, Argentina, France, and South Africa. Although I have worked for myself before and still do so at times, I really have never had the desire to do it. I'm too lazy to have to actually "work" for a living. I'd rather take the train that has the gravy on it.
Eric Cartman
08-02-10, 08:55
I'd bring less candy, more giftable pocket rockets, and more Victoria's Secret cremes, which were a consistent hit as "tips" ($6 for you on sale, R40 for the girl to buy herself).
Great reports dude. Thanks.
Can you explain more about the VS creme?
Although I have worked for myself before and still do so at times, I really have never had the desire to do it. I'm too lazy to have to actually "work" for a living. I'd rather take the train that has the gravy on it.A '*****' in other words. (and self-professed, no less) bears repeating to say, it's the world's oldest profession.
LOL. Some of the girls working in Europa return to Brazil with enough to buy / build their little saltbox dreamhouses in their interior hometowns, and furnish them, too. But as for the rest of them, it's the win the lottery talk that keeps them going.
I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years. I was talking about Voyajer1's post. I honestly dont know a single female who has bought apartment buildings, multiple homes that they rent out or own various businesses.
99.999% of the girls that I know that own their own house, that is all they have to show, for their years working. The house and like 1000 outfits from gang, a bunch of cameras, laptops, tvs, ipods, VS creme, that type of shit. But they have no money in the bank or any business that will continue to generate money for them.
I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years. I was talking about Voyajer1's post. I honestly don't know a single female who has bought apartment buildings, multiple homes that they rent out or own various businesses.
99. 999% of the girls that I know that own their own house, that is all they have to show, for their years working. The house and like 1000 outfits from gang, a bunch of cameras, laptops, tvs, ipods, VS creme, that type of shit. But they have no money in the bank or any business that will continue to generate money for them.Exactly. I knew one who was sending money back to her father and brother who were constructing a couple of housings in their favela. Now, they're landlords: with apartment rental income of 300 reales per month per unit.
I know a number of girls who have bought their own homes after returning from Europe or working in Copa for a number of years.I know my wife (from Minas Gerais, serious people and super-chata!). She was on the scene for 2 years, where I met her. She's now working for Petrobras as an engeneer.
I know a bunch of stories and it's ridiculous to set RULES with brazilian women and GDP.
U.
From what I am reading apples are being compared to oranges. Neither statement, "mongers are really just using a system that was in place for a long time" nor "people have been exploited a long time" has anything to do with the other.I really am not trying to make the argument that mongers exploit prostitutes, I was just trying to show you how absurd your comment was that mongers are the ones being exploited.
The same way many of our bosses exploit us. How many workers feel they are underpaid? How many have gotten wage cuts while at the same being required to take on a bigger work load? The good thing is that unless you are caught up in some sort of slave operation there is a revolving door. A person in any job can walk out through the same door they walked in.Getting pressured into a bit of unpaid overtime is not quite the same as having some fat ugly old monger pumping away at your orifices. For many of the girls having those images stuck in their heads change who they are forever. Many go into prostitution as they find the attraction of men empowering. For others it´s a horrible job they do it due to limited options (some forced by a pimp or possibly family pressures), as a result their self esteem is shattered forever. I would say the most vulnerable would be at the budget end of the scale.
I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.
As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like www.tnaflix.com or http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com .
My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.
You can PM me or just write in the forum.
Thanks
SlimHoleDrill
08-04-10, 03:06
Getting pressured into a bit of unpaid overtime is not quite the same as having some fat ugly old monger pumping away at your orifices. For many of the girls having those images stuck in their heads change who they are forever. Many go into prostitution as they find the attraction of men empowering. For others it´s a horrible job they do it due to limited options (some forced by a pimp or possibly family pressures), as a result their self esteem is shattered forever. I would say the most vulnerable would be at the budget end of the scale.
I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!
The whole exploitation question is slippery. In every deal, there is a buyer and a seller and each takes action based on their point of view. Presumably, both think the deal is in their interest. However, neither party is likely to have all the information. For example, I buy a house for a great price as far as the market goes. Why does the guy sell? There are lots of possible reason: he needs the money, he has to move, whatever. But darker forces can be at work -- maybe he has gambling debts and is about to get his legs broken. Can you say I am exploiting him? On the other hand, if I know he is deeply in debt and I make him a ridiculously low offer that he accepts, am I wrong? After all, he can seek a better deal.
These are difficult moral issues and they apply directly. Sorry for the heavy tone, but I think these abstractions get to the heart of it. Slippery.
I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!
The whole exploitation question is slippery. In every deal, there is a buyer and a seller and each takes action based on their point of view. Presumably, both think the deal is in their interest. However, neither party is likely to have all the information. For example, I buy a house for a great price as far as the market goes. Why does the guy sell? There are lots of possible reason: he needs the money, he has to move, whatever. But darker forces can be at work. Maybe he has gambling debts and is about to get his legs broken. Can you say I am exploiting him? On the other hand, if I know he is deeply in debt and I make him a ridiculously low offer that he accepts, am I wrong? After all, he can seek a better deal.
These are difficult moral issues and they apply directly. Sorry for the heavy tone, but I think these abstractions get to the heart of it. Slippery.Agreed:
Prostitution by it's very nature can be a cold brutal business and there are some very unscrupulous people making money from it. At the end of the day we all play mind games with ourselves to keep our egos and self esteem intact. It's just that some of the business negotiation comparisons used by mongers to maintain this comes across as a little delusional. Anytime that a third party is applying pressure to the girl to take the client, the idea of two consenting adults starts to get a little gray. The termas prostitutes (depending on the policies of the casa) are pressured to meet quota. This is a safer place for them to work and they don't want to be pushed out for refusing clients or not meeting quota. The pressure and the risks of abuse increases the further down the budget scale. In my experience, the Brazilian prostitutes get a lot more crap from their own countrymen than gringos.
I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.
As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like www.tnaflix.com or http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com .
My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.
You can PM me or just write in the forum.
Thanks
Do a search here http://www.gpguia.net/ There are tons of porn stars available . Mayara Shelson is currently selling her ass in Rio --->
http://www.barravipsrio.com/mayarashelson
Luana is out the biz for now. Virginia you might find at Balcony! I have her card around somewhere I will email and ask if I can give it out. Darlene very hard to find. I believe she does her regulars but doesn't work at a terma or escort. Joyce is not in Rio now.
I’ve been planning my trip to Brazil for quite some time and I believe that I would finally make it in October. I would first like to thank everyone that posted information ranging from prices, best practices, places to stay, etc… Your information is priceless.
As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like www.tnaflix.com or http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com .
My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women. I heard that Luana now lives in the U.S. as well as Mayara Rodriguez .
Are they all now living in the U.S.? If I can meet them, does anyone have their info?
If I can’t meet any of them, I know my trip will still be incredible. But, it would be nice to fulfill a dream or two.
You can PM me or just write in the forum.
Luana is out the biz for now. Virginia you might find at Balcony! I have her card around somewhere I will email and ask if I can give it out... Darlene very hard to find... I believe she does her regulars but doesn't work at a terma or escort... Joyce is not in Rio now...
Thanks
Member #3439
08-05-10, 06:01
I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. My experience is that these girls often can't even keep their phones working. And that is their lifeline!
I think there is a skewed perception of Brasileiras. I can relate to your story of walking down the street and thinking that the women must be ex-GDP. Maybe not every girl has been GDP...I come to Brasil for business, so I spend most of time hanging out with professional people. The women don't seem to fit our perceptions of Brasilera as GDP or even as sluts. Most of them that I know are normal girls who seldom if ever fuck around for fear of the husband or church or the family, just like everywhere else. Morever, they are kept on a tight leash without opportunity. If they go out at all during their spare time, it's girls night out and that's it. The Brasileros that I know aren't fond of the idea of someone fucking their gf's or wives, unlike the swinger guys that haul their girls into Florida or 22 everynight for spending cash...and that's too bad because I wish all Brasileros would sell me their lovely ladies! :) However, there is a double standard and the professional Brasileros do fuck around on their women with GDP's whenever given the chance. Safado comes standard but safada doesn't appear to.
So, with that said...is our perception of the non-professional blue collar and favela crowd correct? That every lower middle-class girl on the street either is or has been GDP? My experience is with people in the top 10% of the salary earners and with mostly cheap GDPs and almost no one in between, so it is an interesting topic for me. It would be ironic if the general population in the world's biggest Catholic country truly was full of 'Jezebels' like we think it is. Certainly some guys here have been able to find some fun and promiscuous non-pro women and made g/f's out of them, and they do bi stuff and everything else..so that indicates it's true. But then again, consider we are dealing with the mating habits of highly focused and demanding ISG members and not those of civilians. ;)
Member #3439
08-05-10, 07:21
As most of us have seen many incredible women from Brazil in a lot of porn videos. It would make my trip if I was able to meet Luana, Mayara Rodriquez, Virginia, Darlene, Nanda, Monique, and many others that we all have on sites like www.tnaflix.com or http://tour.bigbuttbrazilianmoms.com .
My question to everyone is am I just fooling myself that I would actually meet these women.
If you really prefer girls with that much meat, VM would have options for you. Check Sperto's map for directions. Most of the stock in the casas and termas is half that size and much younger, so don't get too hungup on the idea of porn stars or you'll miss out on some great experiences with better looking non-starlets. My best experiences have been with girls that were just working short-time in the business and then suddenly vaporize off the program, rather than the veteran girls. More GFE, less paranoid, and more willing.
Carlos Primeros
08-05-10, 07:59
I am exposed to all kind of Brazilians of all walks of life and I must say that our perception is wrong.
We are concentrating on maybe 1% of the population. 99 % are no GdP-material, either physically or mentally. Normal girls in the remote towns do not dare to "work" as in these small towns they would be an outcast immediately and their families would know about what they do. I met a couple of years ago two sisters which came from a remote place in Amazonia. Both decided that they had enough of their miserable life as empregadas/shop-attendent. That is how GdP are made. The normal blue-colour girl working in a small town and not moving away will never work as a GdP. Social pressure and controll will prevent them.
Yes - the male Brasilian will immediately start to fuck around if he has the money and the opportunity - they believe in beeing / showing to be macho. Their ideal girl to marry in this catholic country is a girl which had very little exposure/no exposure at all. But that is only their ideal perception. The reality is very different nowadays.
How do the GdPs end? Depending on their witts - the majority of them blow their money and with the age of 45 they have nothing to show and will end up where they came from - a Favela. They will have several children from different men and they will have to raise them by themselves without any help. The girls will be - when 18 years old - again GdP material, the boys will do in drugs or robberies or simply work as handy-men. (only around 5 -10 % of the population of a favela engage in illegal business)
The real smart ones either get married by a gringo and stay with him or do an "asset-stripping" when they have settled in. Alternatively they take their money and start a business - like beauty-parlour, suco-bar etc. But this is the very small minority. I would say that approx. 5 % of the GdPs really go to school / university and will finish their education. Then they move to another town and start a new life.
The American notion to "save the world" does not work in Brasil - it is a circle of poverty which will break up only over several generations. Lula managed one thing: nobody goes to bed hungry anymore.
Carlos Primeros
I am exposed to all kind of Brazilians of all walks of life and I must say that our perception is wrong.
We are concentrating on maybe 1% of the population. 99 % are no GdP-material, either physically or mentally. Normal girls in the remote towns do not dare to "work" as in these small towns they would be an outcast immediately and their families would know about what they do. I met a couple of years ago two sisters which came from a remote place in Amazonia. Both decided that they had enough of their miserable life as empregadas/shop-attendent. That is how GdP are made. The normal blue-colour girl working in a small town and not moving away will never work as a GdP. Social pressure and controll will prevent them.
Yes - the male Brasilian will immediately start to fuck around if he has the money and the opportunity - they believe in beeing / showing to be macho. Their ideal girl to marry in this catholic country is a girl which had very little exposure/no exposure at all. But that is only their ideal perception. The reality is very different nowadays.
How do the GdPs end? Depending on their witts - the majority of them blow their money and with the age of 45 they have nothing to show and will end up where they came from - a Favela. They will have several children from different men and they will have to raise them by themselves without any help. The girls will be - when 18 years old - again GdP material, the boys will do in drugs or robberies or simply work as handy-men. (only around 5 -10 % of the population of a favela engage in illegal business)
The real smart ones either get married by a gringo and stay with him or do an "asset-stripping" when they have settled in. Alternatively they take their money and start a business - like beauty-parlour, suco-bar etc. But this is the very small minority. I would say that approx. 5 % of the GdPs really go to school / university and will finish their education. Then they move to another town and start a new life.
The American notion to "save the world" does not work in Brasil - it is a circle of poverty which will break up only over several generations. Lula managed one thing: nobody goes to bed hungry anymore.
Carlos PrimerosNice post. So many guys here only see Brazil through their monger goggles. Of course, GDPs and the whole sex trade comprise only a very small part of life in Brazil. It takes a fucked up mindset to think every woman they see must have been a GDP at one point. It also cracks me up when I read arguments here about how the $ spent by sex tourists is meaningful to the economy and will have some bearing on government decisions. It is a drop in the bucket, and drying up more everyday. Major changes are underway. These are the changes you are seeing in Brazil.
Yes, Lula has started making a differience in many lives so far. Mongers can do their part too: Next time you are in Brazil do one less session and use that $ to buy some food for some of the kids and elderly you see sleeping on the sidewalk. Maybe you will start to see Brazilians as real people with real lives. Who knows, maybe it will make you feel a little different about yourself. It did for me.
SlimHoleDrill
08-05-10, 13:58
I often wonder where they end up. When I walk down the street in Rio I look at the older women and think about it. Anyway, it is a big mix. One thing for sure, the idea expressed earlier that they are all raking in the money seems absurd to me. ....
Just to be clear, I was not implying anything about Brazilians in general. I was just saying I wonder out of the multitudes of maids, shop girls, etc. that you see every day or work with are former GDPs. The percentage would be minuscule of course, but this is probably where they would be.
Brazilians in general, I agree basically with what was said below. However, it would be very interesting to see a Kinsey type report. Without a real study, we all just have the impressions we form from our acquaintances and what they say. What people say and do is often different, particularly where sex is concerned.
For example who would think women in the UK are big in infidelity? A recent study I read about showed that around 30% of babies (after the first) had different fathers or something like that. A possible explanation was evolutionary biology -- a survival advantage to widen the gene pool after a secure relationship is formed. It surprised the hell out of me and most people, I think but what a great excuse to screw around.
So, the "normal" Brasileiras may be up to more than people think.
Rio Me Ever
08-05-10, 14:29
If you really prefer girls with that much meat, VM would have options for you. Check Sperto's map for directions. Most of the stock in the casas and termas is half that size and much younger, so don't get too hungup on the idea of porn stars or you'll miss out on some great experiences with better looking non-starlets. My best experiences have been with girls that were just working short-time in the business and then suddenly vaporize off the program, rather than the veteran girls. More GFE, less paranoid, and more willing.PP,
I really enjoy your trip reports.
But if Peace1 wants a "porn star" that's great.
Some one has to help support the aging GDP population.
R4M4E
So, the "normal" Brasileiras may be up to more than people think.
SHD,
Good observations.
I lived in Brazil during the early 90's so I will admit that my data may be a bit dated. But I have been traveling regularly to Brazil on business so I am somewhat current on attitudes and social conventions. And considering I am a member on this forum with more than a few posts, you can assume where "MY" attitudes are concerning this subject.
I am lucky enough to travel extensively around the world on business and so I am in a position where I can compare relative attitudes and cultures so I can say with a high degree of confidence that Brazilians (men and women) are pretty normal on a world scale when it comes to attitudes on extra-marital relations and general attitudes on sex. I would suggest that we (and I am making a big assumption that you belong to the same relative demographic that I do) come from a society where the hypocrisy of sexual relations between men and women (married or not) skews our thinking when we look at other cultures.
Back in the 90's I worked in a large office of local Brazilian professionals as the only gringo and went to parties, BBQ's, office parties, and after work happy hours with my work mates. People paired up all the time and on a relatively casual basis and it was all kept pretty cool. If we heard about Alvaro banging the Maria the receptionist because her husband was out of work and was not in the mood for sex, no big deal. It was life. Maria was a good looking woman in the prime of her sexual life and she needed attention. Did it affect their office relationship? Not so much. Certainly not as much as I would have expected coming from Norte America.
OK - I am straying off topic a little. You posed the question about maids and shop girls possibly being ex-GDP. Well, that's a complicated question and depends on how you define it. Do these girls ever have sex and receive financial compensation from their partners who are financially better off? You bet they did. Did they consider themselves GDP? Not necessarily. Receiving financial consideration (or assistance) does not necessarily constitute prostitution the way we thing of it an the Anglo-Saxon sense of the act. Many other cultures (Brazilian included) don't necessarily consider the exchange of goods or cash for sex as the "test" for prostitution.
Let me give you an example. Back in the day, I worked in an office on Praca Floriano in Centro. A few times a week I used to go down to the sandwich shop near the Opera House and get ham or turkey on a baguette. the same cute little Mineira (from Ouro Preto) used to make the sandwich, smile and flirt making fun of the way I butchered the Portuguese language. After several months she told me that since I was such a busy man she would be happy to bring the sandwich to my office personally if could wait until 2:00 PM. I will spare you the details but for about 6 months she used to come once a week or so, deliver the sandwich, lock the door to my office and screw my brains out for 30 minutes or so. Luckily I had a private bathroom so it was all quite civilized from an office hygiene perspective. The first time it happened I was pleasantly surprised, but after the second or third week, she gently suggested that times were hard (inflation was 32% per month back then) and that her pay check didn't buy what it used to. Since I was on an expat hitch and my paycheck was being deposited in the USA, it was not a big stretch for me to give her some cash to ease her life. But being a relatively naive gringo, I was worried that she might think I was disrespecting her by treating her as a prostitute by offering her money. In hindsight, it seems funny now because she laughed it off and told me I was being silly. she was fucking me because she like me and she was horny. Her husband drank too much and couldn't get it up. If I wanted to give her some cash to "ease her daily struggle", it was up to me.
I may have been naive, but I wasn't stupid. I discreetly gave her cash from that time forward and for several months we had our weekly rendezvous. I always made sure my secretary was out on lunch break and i let "sanduiche girl" in and out of my office through my side door so as not to spare her humiliation (more mine than her I suppose). Did she consider herself a prostitute or a GDP? Not a chance.
So what's my point? (yes, I do have a point) Brazilians, like a lot of other people around the world take sexual relations in stride. Some like to fuck a lot, some don't. If they have a itch, they scratch. While Brasileiras are as capable of excessive drama as the next girl, I think they hold things in perspective better than your average American, Brit, Kiwi, Aussie, Canadian. Russians seem to have the same attitude as Brazilians. Sex is sex. And if you are economically advantaged and can share some dosh, then it's appreciated.
Anyhow - that's just my 2 cruzeiros worth, sorry - 2 Reals worth.
Jake's post is an spot on in the difference between cultures. Anglo (american and English) cultures tend to be much more conservative whereas European and latin cultures are a lot more liberal. Myself being European, tend to think Brazilian sexual attitudes are much closer to normal than what I think the Anglo settled countries are.
Carlos Primeros
08-05-10, 17:35
Bem feito - your report is spot-on!!!!
Carlos
SlimHoleDrill
08-05-10, 19:02
Bem feito - your report is spot-on!!!!
Carlos
Agree 100%. That's why I said they are up to more than they might admit -- speaking of the professional and "upper class" in particular. Also, the special arrangements thing is right on. I know of several such arrangements. Ever see the movie "The Apartment"? I know a group of retired guys who have this going on right now. They share the expense and divide the time. The place is just a few blocks from their own apartments, but they have it to get away from their wives. Since they are retired, they don't go to the office and so have little excuse for extra curricular activities. Another one can't afford that so he chats up Zona Sul checkout girls as he goes through the line. He finds one that is willing and she stops by his place after work, does him, gets to have a drink and shower before getting on the bus and collects some Rs as well, Everybody wins, no big deal and I am sure she does not consider herself GDP. I know a taxi drive who claims to have made deals for a coke.
Now, I never knew any gringos that have that sort of thing going on.
My ruminations involved what happens to the real GDPs and it is nothing more than that: just curiosity, a rhetorical question. Then you look at the active ones and wonder what will happen with them.
SlimHoleDrill
08-05-10, 19:05
Bem feito - your report is spot-on!!!!
Carlos
Agree 100%. That's why I said they are up to more than they might admit -- speaking of the professional and "upper class" in particular. Also, the special arrangements thing is right on. I know of several such arrangements. Ever see the movie "The Apartment"? I know a group of retired guys who have this going on right now. They share the expense and divide the time. The place is just a few blocks from their own apartments, but they have it to get away from their wives. Since they are retired, they don't go to the office and so have little excuse for extra curricular activities. Another one can't afford that so he chats up Zona Sul checkout girls as he goes through the line. He finds one that is willing and she stops by his place after work, does him, gets to have a drink and shower before getting on the bus and collects some Rs as well. Everybody wins, no big deal and I am sure she does not consider herself GDP. I know a taxi drive who claims to have made deals for a coke. I've had opportunities like this too, but have avoided regular setups for my own reasons.
Now, I never knew any gringos that have these sorts of thing going on in the English part of the world. I'm sure it happens, but not like in Brazil.
My ruminations involved what happens to the real GDPs and it is nothing more than that: just curiosity, a rhetorical question. Then you look at the active ones and wonder what will happen with them.
Great report. It is refreshing to read an insightful report that have nothing to do with ramming your tongue up someone's ass.
PP,
I really enjoy your trip reports.
But if Peace1 wants a "porn star" that's great.
Some one has to help support the aging GDP population.
R4M4EPP was trying save him the hassle and some $. And give him a better experience. That's all.
For example who would think women in the UK are big in infidelity?
Christ man UK women are total sluts!!
Well I got back to Rio last week after spending 18 months in Argentina. Last night myself and my wingman went late about 11 to Luomo. Oh dear it has gone downhill, they changed the layout the loungers are gone, pity had some great sessions on them!! Bar was empty except for one other guy and about 9 girls. The girls were lacking in energy maybe it was because it was late but no atmosphere. anyway my friend banged a nice little dark haired girl and I went with my old friend Loita. Average session, Anal BBBJCIM not bad but just ok.
Q: I've been away, things have changed HELP, Rio Antigo etc have closed. Where is the therma action at? I will try VM, BA85 etc, but they while cheap I'd like something more upper class!
I don't like Balcony or escorts etc.
Off to 4 X 4 tonight will let you know how things are there.
SlimHoleDrill
08-06-10, 18:55
Well I got back to Rio last week after spending 18 months in Argentina. Last night myself and my wingman went late about 11 to Luomo. Oh dear it has gone downhill, they changed the layout the loungers are gone, pity had some great sessions on them!! Bar was empty except for one other guy and about 9 girls. The girls were lacking in energy maybe it was because it was late but no atmosphere. anyway my friend banged a nice little dark haired girl and I went with my old friend Loita. Average session, Anal BBBJCIM not bad but just ok.
Q: I've been away, things have changed HELP, Rio Antigo etc have closed. Where is the therma action at? I will try VM, BA85 etc, but they while cheap I'd like something more upper class!
I don't like Balcony or escorts etc.
Off to 4 X 4 tonight will let you know how things are there.
Hate to say it but I broke my rule and went to Centaurus the other night and it was packed. Probably 25 -30 customers, but maybe 50 or 60 girls? Lot's of stunners. I ran into some old friends from MC and L'uomo there too (garotas, that is).
I broke my rule because I did a little math and realized that it was not that much more than what you might spend in the other places. It is a flat R450 to enter and one session. But, drinks are relatively cheap. A caiprinha was only R6. So if you go in for a big time and buy the girls drinks, you can easily spend R400 at L'uomo. But it depends on the drink -- RB and absolute is up there at Centaurus. On the other hand, went to L'uomo last week, got the early discount, bought a few drinks but got out for less than R300. It is a long way from 22 -- in just about every way!
So, despite the prices, Centaurus has the most action going down in Zona Sul. Kind of backwards to what you might think. Haven't been to 4X4 in a while, but I am sure it is packed from 5 onwards. Get there early if you can.
Firstly, Langer, you got there at 11pm, that is basically closing time for Luomo, most of the girls are gone. I think it is officially open to 1am, but after 11pm it is winding down.
4x4 is not as nearly packed as it used to be, possibly because the price is more expensive. A session now is R$250 for the 40 minute option and R$ 270 for the 60 minute session. I was there the other night and the bill was R$300. That is basically Luomo prices.
Centaraus. You can still just pay the entrance upon entry, rather than the R$ 450 upfront. Entrance is R$ 140 from memory although I may be off by R$10. Need a really great session from a smoking hot babe to justify those prices.
Cancun. Nice action there of late and cheaper to R$230 for entrance & 40 minute session etc. Facilities way better than 4x4. Went there last week, tab was R$250, decent price, decent session and excellent facilities. For me outright price is not important, I can afford pretty much any club in the world every day of the week, however perceived value is important. Cancun is good value for me.
Luomo, Monte Carlo, Salarium all $310 for entrance and a 40 minute session, although you can get a R$70 discount sometimes when they have specials. Went to Monte Carlo the other day and it was a horror show, really sad actually, the girls on the street were more attractive outside and that is saying something. Preceived value at Monte Carlo is terrible.
Went to Terma 31 last week. R$10 entrance, R$90 30 minute session, R$ 110 40 minute, R$ 130 60 minute session. Facilities not great but passable, seen worse, much worse. End up grabbing a Mulatta, everything was on the menu, face maybe 7.5, body strong 9! Bunda so firm you could throw a quarter at it and it would bounce right back at you. Big titties too. Session was not as initimate as one would get from say Luomo, but hey - banging a banging mulatta with titas and ass like that for only R$120 TOTAL. Can't beat that actually. Terma 31 Rua Alcantara Machado 31, Centro. it is basically 1000 yards from Uruguaina station, on the other side of President Vegas - which is the main street. There are probably 5 other similar priced T's within 200 yards of this place. Including MV 30 - Rua Mayrink Veiga 30 (100 yards from T 31- but slight more expensive). America is close as well, Rua Visconde de Inhauma 105. For late on in the night Boate Subsolo is also in the area, have to take them to the hotel accross the road which is R$25 for a couple of hours, girls will want R$200 but R$80 is the standard price every brazilian guy will pay. I took a girl from this place 2 weeks ago. She wanted R$250 - I countered with R$80, she lowered to R$200 - I countered with R$80, she lowered again to R$150. I just said look every girl goes for R$80 lets go. She said yes, was totally crap in the room but she had a reallyn nice ass and took it in the butt. Not the best session of ones life but was proud of myself for getting the Brazilian prices. The longer I live in Brazil the more I haggle for the correct price - perceived value is what it is all about.
Didn't really want to give an update to some of the places I have been of late, but once one starts to type one get rant on a bit. Rant over........
Woooowwww
Rates have really gone up there!
I am from Holland and I can tell you that for that money you can easily find a chick (even brasilians) here for an hour or more. If those rates are really that high than I would suggest buy a ticket to amsterdam and visit some clubs here. You will save a lot of money and if brazilians is your thing there are more than enough of them working in holland and the rest of europe for much lower rates. I remember a few years ago I was paying girls 150 for the full night! I am not dumb enough to pay gringo rates. This is rediculous.
Firstly, Langer, you got there at 11pm, that is basically closing time for Luomo, most of the girls are gone. I think it is officially open to 1am, but after 11pm it is winding down.
4x4 is not as nearly packed as it used to be, possibly because the price is more expensive. A session now is R$250 for the 40 minute option and R$ 270 for the 60 minute session. I was there the other night and the bill was R$300. That is basically Luomo prices.
Centaraus. You can still just pay the entrance upon entry, rather than the R$ 450 upfront. Entrance is R$ 140 from memory although I may be off by R$10. Need a really great session from a smoking hot babe to justify those prices.
Cancun. Nice action there of late and cheaper to R$230 for entrance & 40 minute session etc. Facilities way better than 4x4. Went there last week, tab was R$250, decent price, decent session and excellent facilities. For me outright price is not important, I can afford pretty much any club in the world every day of the week, however perceived value is important. Cancun is good value for me.
Luomo, Monte Carlo, Salarium all $310 for entrance and a 40 minute session, although you can get a R$70 discount sometimes when they have specials. Went to Monte Carlo the other day and it was a horror show, really sad actually, the girls on the street were more attractive outside and that is saying something. Preceived value at Monte Carlo is terrible.
Went to Terma 31 last week. R$10 entrance, R$90 30 minute session, R$ 110 40 minute, R$ 130 60 minute session. Facilities not great but passable, seen worse, much worse. End up grabbing a Mulatta, everything was on the menu, face maybe 7.5, body strong 9! Bunda so firm you could throw a quarter at it and it would bounce right back at you. Big titties too. Session was not as initimate as one would get from say Luomo, but hey - banging a banging mulatta with titas and ass like that for only R$120 TOTAL. Can't beat that actually. Terma 31 Rua Alcantara Machado 31, Centro. it is basically 1000 yards from Uruguaina station, on the other side of President Vegas - which is the main street. There are probably 5 other similar priced T's within 200 yards of this place. Including MV 30 - Rua Mayrink Veiga 30 (100 yards from T 31- but slight more expensive). America is close as well, Rua Visconde de Inhauma 105. For late on in the night Boate Subsolo is also in the area, have to take them to the hotel accross the road which is R$25 for a couple of hours, girls will want R$200 but R$80 is the standard price every brazilian guy will pay. I took a girl from this place 2 weeks ago. She wanted R$250 - I countered with R$80, she lowered to R$200 - I countered with R$80, she lowered again to R$150. I just said look every girl goes for R$80 lets go. She said yes, was totally crap in the room but she had a reallyn nice ass and took it in the butt. Not the best session of ones life but was proud of myself for getting the Brazilian prices. The longer I live in Brazil the more I haggle for the correct price - perceived value is what it is all about.
Didn't really want to give an update to some of the places I have been of late, but once one starts to type one get rant on a bit. Rant over........
What are the girls at balcony asking for since Help closed? There is no entrance fee there. That should keep their prices lower than Help.
Eric Cartman
08-07-10, 06:29
Cancun. Nice action there of late and cheaper to R$230 for entrance & 40 minute session etc. Facilities way better than 4x4. Went there last week, tab was R$250, decent price, decent session and excellent facilities. For me outright price is not important, I can afford pretty much any club in the world every day of the week, however perceived value is important. Cancun is good value for me.
Amen to that. See my previous reports on Cancun from my last trip. Absolute highlight. Of course, now I've gone and given it way too much publicity as have you :P
Member #3439
08-07-10, 11:50
Went to Terma 31 last week. R$10 entrance, R$90 30 minute session, R$ 110 40 minute, R$ 130 60 minute session. Facilities not great but passable, seen worse, much worse. End up grabbing a Mulatta, everything was on the menu, face maybe 7.5, body strong 9! Bunda so firm you could throw a quarter at it and it would bounce right back at you. Big titties too. Session was not as initimate as one would get from say Luomo, but hey - banging a banging mulatta with titas and ass like that for only R$120 TOTAL.
Thanks for the rare T31 and MV30 review. With the Real and prices creeping up, these venues should get more gringos in the years to come. You mentioned that everything was 'not as intimate as L'uomo?' Is that the general perception of the standard there, or do you mean just that particular girl? T31 is higher priced than the better known Florida Club down the street ($R95/40 +10) but I think if everything is on the menu, T31 sounds like a better option for only R15 more. Girls in Florida vary wildy, from crazy to everything covered. Florida is fun because of the good music and some pole dancing to pass time, but if the standard at T31 is completa then it would be a better value and I'd give up on Florida.
Agree 100%. That's why I said they are up to more than they might admit -- speaking of the professional and "upper class" in particular. Also, the special arrangements thing is right on. I know of several such arrangements.
Me too. In the extreme, I know a Brasilian middle-management type who has 2 families, and the original wife knows about the second family and lets him spend time there 50/50. She's not happy about it, but she's not leaving. Another guy has the same thing, but the time split is less. Mistresses, I guess, in a Brasilian sort of way. Better to have the sexually sadistic kind with PVC outfits, ropes and rattan canes, less painful. :)
The reason that people in UK, USA seem straightlaced about sex compared with Brasil is that most of the time xtra marital sex means divorce, custody battles, and big money lost. Its the secular individualistic mindset vs the religious/family oriented mindset. If a typical girl gets cheated on in the States, she doesn't care about the life of the kids or what her family thinks, she's just off to the lawyer to exact her revenge. So smart guys in places like the States know better than to fuck around in their own backyard because the mistress will tell the wife so she can have the man and his bank account to herself, and the wife is scorned and wants her cut, and so it almost ends in court instead of a practical solution like the Brasilians work out.
Check the divorce rates below in comparison to Brasil. Obviously the Pope tells them to grin and bear it down there, even if the marido comes home pushing a stroller and holding hands with his other 'baby's mama'. Despite what people think, I'd say the Cariocas are more uptight about a lot of things than people in 'The West'..like divorce, abortion, gays, race, class struggles etc. People in other industrialized societies, except for a vocal minority of special interest groups, moved past those topics 20 or 30 years ago. In my estimate, and my opinion only, time schedules and fucking are only things they are free and easy about. Everything else is a problem for them.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_div_rat-people-divorce-rate
Amen to that. See my previous reports on Cancun from my last trip. Absolute highlight. Of course, now I've gone and given it way too much publicity as have you :P
DUDE!, when are you back in the land of the bunda!
General info - I will do a proper review of some of the cheaper second tier places in a few weeks, it is a work in progress. I will also update the "bubba report" . Lots have changed since the last update, mainly just the prices!
Great report. It is refreshing to read an insightful report that have nothing to do with ramming your tongue up someone's ass.
Thanks guys - it was fun to write. I got a "woodie" just thinking about my little "garota da sannduiche" again.
Admittedly, I have not been to Rio since HELP! closed and I am very curious to feel the difference (if any) from a mongering perspective. What I have noticed is a chance in the tone of the reports on this forum regarding Rio. Is it just me or do any of you also notice a difference? What I don't see as much as these days are some of the wild ass reports that we used to see from the pure "sex tourists".
A few more thoughts regarding my earlier post, like in most cultures, the upper class girls have a lot more to lose if they are "outed" as being GDP or even just as being "slutty". They have a certain social status and want to protect it. If they live in Zona Sul, the LAST thing one of these girls need is for word to get out that she is fucking a gringo for fear that they will be under suspicion for being a WG. But that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck and that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck gringos.
I know a business colleague from NYC who come to Rio about 4 times a year. He has a GF who runs a small art gallery in Copa. Clearly upper class, has money, married w/ 2 kids, smoking hot body and screws my buddy's brains out usually once a trip. In the middle of the day she arrives at the hotel dolled up like Bridget Bardot with an art folio under her arm. She strolls into the Marriott or Fasano like she owns the place, goes up to the front desk and asks which room Sr. Jim is in and to call and announce her arrival. Then she goes up and they "look at art". Shya - right.
According to Jim, she is an animal when it comes to sex who loves to do all sorts or naughty things (use your imagination) that her husband won't do. They have even met up in SP and I think once in Buzios (but they almost got caught by a friend of hers).
So what are we talking about here? She's having an affair with Jim. No big deal. Happens all the time. Frankly, I think that's a goal for all of us. Sure he buys art from her, but he loves art and would do so either way. He certainly doesn't pay her apart from hotel expenses. But I am sure he might bring her a gift once on a while. I have a similar arrangement with a Real Estate broker in Moscow and it's great. I'm also banging a 22 year old art student in Moscow. she certainly is not a pro. However, I stuff some cash in her purse when she's in the head. She's a student and she needs it. No need to embarrass her.
Here's my point - in addition to bagging GDP and hitting the Termas (nothing wrong with either), take your game up a notch and strike up a flirtatious relationship with a bar girl, the receptionist at the hotel, the attendant at the gym, or a shop girl. See where it goes. Call it a "project". You may be surprised at what happens when you just relax and treat them like normal women. Once she is relaxed and comfortable with you, it's only a matter of time until that hot Latin blood starts to boil and nature takes over. After all, they are Brazilian!!!
I dunno, maybe I am just getting old (52) and lazy, but IMHO this is more fun and adds a different dimension to the mongering scene.
Like the guy in the Dos Equis commerical says, "Stay thirsty my friends"
I am on my annual pilgrimage to the land of bunda. First stop, as always, L’uomo. Was there on a Saturday evening and would estimate that about 25 girls were present. Almost everybody was new to me; only about 5 familiar faces from last year. The quality of the girls is pretty high – if you cannot find somebody here, then your tastes are WAY more discriminating than mine.
Not sure if I really need to describe the facilities, plenty of descriptions on the board already. The whole place really consists of two main rooms, the boite and the break room. (I am calling it the break room, because you can take a break there from the relentless music in the boite). Plus there is the locker room and the showers/sauna/toilets area. The whole public area is probably is about 1000 sqft in size. And then there are the cabinas, but you can only go there with a girl. They put a bit of money into renovating, particularly the ‘break room’. Now it has a white leather couch and a flat-screen TV with mainly sport programming on.
I was there on a Saturday, and it was feijoada night. Served around 7 pm, pretty excellent actually.
Yes, the prices have gone up. I think my entrance fee and one session were combined about 300R. Caipiroskas have gone up to 14R, and whiskey is now 20R. Beer 6R, I think, and soft drinks 5. Memory is kinda hazy, because I had too much to drink. Total price tag for the evening from 6 to closing at midnight was a hair over 550R. Not cheap, but also not a killer. They currently give 1.75R for $1, which is the best exchange rate offered to me. (Comparison: 4x4 gave me 1.6).
I sat on my customary stool at the bar, which is where most action comes to you. Had several girls audition, some of them getting a drink out of me. All very friendly and happy to have customers around. I would guess that about 15 guys were there; so the ratio was DEFINITELY in our favor. I was expecting that L’uomo on a Saturday evening would be full of guys, with Help! closed, and with downtown action also shut down for the weekend. So I was kind of surprised at the low turnout. (Side note: Perhaps it is now easier pull girls for all-nighters, because they don't have the Help! option after work any more, either ...)
Peter, the barkeep with the excellent command of English, is still there. He told me that business is better now, but that a month ago it really sucked at L’uomo in terms of guys swinging by.
Well, I only sessioned once, but it was a good one. Let me just call her the Lea, partially because she told me her name three times and I could still not understand because of the loud music, and then I was too embarrassed to ask again.
Lea politely asked me if she could fire up a joint, once we entered the cabina. Fine by me. This really added to her performance. A lot. So we had a great time, and the sex was off the wall for the 40 minutes.
I decided to invite her to my hotel, which is very close to L’uomo. She accepted and asked me to wait downstairs after closing time. We walked towards my hotel, and she told me that she was out of dope, requesting that we would take a taxi and buy some. Now I have done some crazy crazy stuff in my life, but driving to a favela to go dope-shopping is not one of them. I declined, she got pissed, waved for a taxi, and I turned and left without looking back.
Wouldn’t you know it, I had only walked about 20 steps down the road when she called my name and came running after me. OK then, you can still come. We walked through the hotel lobby and apparently looked so much like a regular couple that the receptionist did not make us jump through the registration hoop. Up we went, and then started to get at it. Long foreplay, and then it turns out that neither one of us has condoms. Shit. Called down to the desk and somebody brought 3 up. 5R tip, no other charges. Now that is service!
We used 2 of the condoms in the evening and 1 more in the morning. I had invited her to dinner for the coming evening (here day off at L’uomo) and got her phone number. Then I had a lunch meeting and had to get ready; so I kicked her out. She then wanted taxi money. OK, here is 30R. Then she said she would also like some more money for herself. I gave here $100, which made the entire night a programa (which is also why I report on it here …). But I was not happy about the request for money after the fact; so I threw here phone number away and did not call for the dinner.
Still, all in all not the worst night of my life :D
euro
A few more thoughts regarding my earlier post, like in most cultures, the upper class girls have a lot more to lose if they are "outed" as being GDP or even just as being "slutty". They have a certain social status and want to protect it. If they live in Zona Sul, the LAST thing one of these girls need is for word to get out that she is fucking a gringo for fear that they will be under suspicion for being a WG. But that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck and that doesn't mean they don't like to fuck gringos.Of course, Brasilian woman have sex with gringos. They have sex with anyone they like. Shouldn't be a mystery for anybody. Money into the equation is where the line is drawn. You hear them talk about another girl who they say is not like them because she 'makes sex for money. ' one time walking past the desk at the Praia Ipanema Hotel, my (then) girlfriend overheard a comment made by a desk clerk and abolutely erupted and went off on the guy until he would have disappeared. Non-gdp's would never tolerate any kind of imputation to their honor nor do something compromising, I. E. Take cash or 'clients' or be seen with an inferior quality guy just because he has cash.
Exec Talent
08-08-10, 12:26
Now you can have your very own termas for only R$150,000.
From the O Globo classifieds:
Termas Luxo, Centro, 6 andares, elevador novo, 14 suites, sauna, etc.
Member #3439
08-08-10, 13:27
Now you can have your very own termas for only R$150,000.
From the O Globo classifieds:
Termas Luxo, Centro, 6 andares, elevador novo, 14 suites, sauna, etc.
Sounds like a good deal. You could probably get R150,000 of fucking just in the process of interviewing potential staff. Panel interviews, that is. :)
One of you wealthy guys should invest here. Rio is in need of a place where people can go for consistent service. For example, there is a pink salon that I use in Tokyo because I know that every girl is up for BBBJ, sucking balls, DATY and CIM without question. I would never see latex there or have a cum shot dodged, no matter what girl I get, it's 100% smiles and great attitudes and they all act like they are like starved girls feeding at my dick and balls with enthusiasm. It's a precondition of employment and standard of the shop. Rio needs a place with this consistency, meaning completely completa and a staff of sex addicted girls who want the job for more than just the money.
I have had a few requests for financial help from termas GDP´s over the past week or so. I have had hundreds of these over the years. I always send a reply expressing my sympathies about their current financial dilemma, but make it clear that I am not in a position to help. Fortunately none of these requests are from old favorites. Not good if your old favorites start playing you like a QTF.
Sounds like a good deal. You could probably get R150,000 of fucking just in the process of interviewing potential staff. Panel interviews, that is. :)
One of you wealthy guys should invest here. Rio is in need of a place where people can go for consistent service. For example, there is a BBBJ shop that I use in Tokyo because I know that every girl is up for BBBJ, CIM, and DATY without question. I would never see rubber there or get dodged. It's a precondition of employment and standard of the shop. Rio needs a place with this consistency, meaning completely completa!Better make sure you have the right bent police officials on a cut before attempting this. Prostitution is legal in Brazil pimping is not. The kind of nasty pimping your talking about would bring more focus from the "Secretário de saúde" and the human rights groups.
Anyone seen the film "THE HOSTEL". I think PP would not be out of place managing these kind of services for his select clientele.
John Cricket
08-08-10, 15:29
Yeah, the women who work sex gigs are being exploited, but here's a news flash for certain people out there: ALL WORKERS ARE EXPLOITED. It's called "capitalism".
Hello!
A woman who chooses to sell sex to gringos on Copa for 175-400 reais a pop has to deal with a lot of shit, granted. Is it more shit than she'd have to deal with, per real earned, than a maid garnishing a minimum wage salary of 500 reais a month?
Not according to the women themselves: they've almost universally LEFT jobs as maids, beauticians and supermarket checkout girls to sell sex.
If you're truly worried about exploitation in the sex industry, then you need to support sex workers' rights, not be crying in your soup over their "exploitation".
Alex Deuce
08-08-10, 16:08
Of course, Brasilian woman have sex with gringos. They have sex with anyone they like. Shouldn't be a mystery for anybody. Money into the equation is where the line is drawn. You hear them talk about another girl who they say is not like them because she 'makes sex for money. ' one time walking past the desk at the Praia Ipanema Hotel, my (then) girlfriend overheard a comment made by a desk clerk and abolutely erupted and went off on the guy until he would have disappeared. Non-gdp's would never tolerate any kind of imputation to their honor nor do something compromising, I. E. Take cash or 'clients' or be seen with an inferior quality guy just because he has cash.
Your kidding right? Cash in Brazil distinguishes the quality of a man far more than Skin complexion or race. And no woman likes to be inferred as a ***** even if she fugging out of both pants legs..
After my first night in Luomo we went to 4 X 4 on Friday, The place was not as full as I remember, but there was still a good atmosphere. The wingman and myself settled in and had a few beers. Loads of girls coming up and dancing, chatting etc, the usual. I took two little honeys to the cabin for an hours, excellent session, anal, bbbjcim, etc.
Next day we went to Monte Carlo, it was ok, but no real atmosphere, stayed for a few hours but neither of us bother to take a girl. Afterwards we went to Balcony - awful - so many old and ugly putas looking for R$300+, Some of them had faces like a chewed toffee! Where are all the young girls (18-22) gone! I think the old witches must frighten off the competition, Went into the disco upstairs, La Dolica Vita - same story - old girls trying to pretend they are hot chicks.
Tonight back to Luomo or Solarium, (will get in early) to follow.
We are planning to go to VM some daytime next week, if any one wants to meet up for a trip there PM me.
Langer
Your kidding right? Cash in Brazil distinguishes the quality of a man far more than Skin complexion or race. And no woman likes to be inferred as a ***** even if she fugging out of both pants legs..If you've been too long and too exclusively making P4P you might not be able to make the distinction. If the GdP life has been working for you, go with what you know and keep at it.
Alex Deuce
08-08-10, 19:09
If you've been too long and too exclusively making P4P you might not be able to make the distinction. If the GdP life has been working for you, go with what you know and keep at it.
P4P is a secondary interaction of my experiences while in Brazil. Primarily my experiences have been with professional persons. Therefore, step back and reassess your generalization.
PLAYA!
perhaps this is a strange title for a post, but stay with me; it will become clear as i chronicle our adventure …
thanks to the pm feature of the board i managed to schedule a group outing with irishpussyman and travelerb69. around 3:30 i walked from my hotel down to the beach, strolled past the site of the former help! and terrace, which is now literally a big hole in the ground, and arrived at ipm’s apartment, where t69 picked us up.
warming up the vocal cords
our first action of the day led us to a “private” near maracana stadium. it is one of the few privates, which are open on a saturday afternoon. t69 had done excellent advance recon. hopefully he will add a post that describes the location of this little gem, but i really do not know the address.
from the outside you could not guess in a million years what is going on behind the entrance and wall of this house. we rang the bell and were buzzed in. a small waiting area with four chairs served as the initial examination spot for the lineup. the girl, who explained the system and prices to t69 in portuguese, was smoking hot. t69 translated for ipm and me. then the ladies strolled in and out, one-by-one, beijos-left, beijo-right, oi, name, … i had made up my mind that i would do amanda and right away this erased all other names from my memory. ummm, problem: t69 also picked amanda. i insisted that he would get his first choice, but then was left to admit that i had forgotten the names. ipm was also not sure who went by what name any more. a lot of laughter from the girls, and the procession started again.
ipm was consistent and picked the two girls with the biggest racks. the dupla for the hour set him back 140r. excellent value! t69 went with amanda for 70r/hour. i said that i really wanted to bang the introduction girl, gabi, more than anybody in the lineup. gabi said no problem, and happily paired we went off upstairs. my room had a very comfortable (and clean! … ok, at least clean-looking :d …) bed, nice lighting, good music. quick shower for both, and then off to do the deed. gabi turned out to be a wonderful pick. more gfe sex than pro-style; just what i needed. heaven, for what turned out to be chump-change.
note to self: must play more in the privates scene!
it was now almost 6:30, because t69 had had to wait for the shower for 15 minutes and insisted that the clock should only start after he was done with the shower; so ipm and i had to wait for him for 15 minutes at the end. gaby came by a few times and always smiled at me and blew kisses. (i think i have a new friend ;)) ok, now the idea was to make our way to ipanema to hit centaurus, the most expensive of the termas. no problem, because t69 has a car. we stopped to eat at a place in ipanema, and i had a plate of picanha, whereas ipm opted for pasta.
hitting the high c
t69 called centaurus to discuss waiving the gringo option of having to pay entrance plus a session up front. they reluctantly agreed to this if we would show up before 9 pm, but refused to tell him on the phone what the session price was, and what the entrance fee was. ok, for the record, entrance was 120r. steep! session was 390r for 40 minutes, and 480 for an hour. now you can see one reason why i call this section “high c” … (on the positive side, however, i will admit that the 1.80 exchange rate for the dollar they gave me was the best of the entire trip.)
the locker room and sanitary facilities remind me very much of 4x4; no reason to pay extra from that standpoint. we did not need showers, because we had just taken one after sex in the private. upstairs we went to the boite, which is very nice and about 3 times the size of that of l’uomo. there is a dance floor with stripper pole, but it was only used by one girl, once, the whole evening. the bar is big enough for about 6 chairs. the lighting is bright enough to actually see all features of the girl you are dealing with. the music is not too loud; so you can actually talk without screaming. definitely a good place for rich older men :d.
ok, here is the main point of attraction, the girls: there were about 30-40 of them in attendance, not 80 like the guy on the phone had told t69. but the ones who were there, they were good-to-great. their outfits were meant to be classy, i suppose, usually with some kind of chiffon (yes, i look that word up in the dictionary) cover over parts of a bikini. i would have liked straight-up bikinis a la l’uomo or 4x4 much better, but tastes differ. i saw a lot of 8s and 9s, perhaps a couple of 9.5s. almost every girl is on active hunt, basically all the time. you will not be sitting alone for extended periods of time. ever.
t69 had announced that he wanted to “butterfly” and get a feel of a lot of girls. that strategy also worked really well for me. ipm did not spread himself quite as thin, but did manage to get the girl with the biggest hooters in the joint solidly attached to him. i had many, many small-to-midsize grinding and groping (them groping me) encounters, but the girls i spent most time with were carol, flavia, luana, and renata.
renata is a wonderful girl, who kisses better than any girl i have met on this trip. very sweet and tender. while we sat at a table, she also rewarded my general policy of not wearing underwear under the robe, by massaging the flagstick for perhaps half an hour. (it got so intense that i got up and conferred with t69 to confirm my notion that this did not mean that i was committed to a session, as it would be the case in a german fkk.) she was drinking caipiroska (on my tab), and i like girls who like caipiroska. for 4x4 prices she would have closed the deal, but for centaurus fair i expect exceptional, and she was not quite there.
carol is great in her own right, but aggressive as hell. she almost sucked my lower lip off my face during one of the many dfks we shared. when i paid her a milk-of-coco at the bar, she started a relentless bunda grinding session that lasted 10 minutes and included very serious dry-humping. when she had little euro standing at full attention, she pulled back my robe and showed her project to her friends around us, who all smiled approvingly. later carol got admonished several times by the boss for being just a bit too pornographic when she sat on my lap on a sofa. she is a lot of fun, and at 4x4 this would have been session #2, but at centaurius prices … you get the picture: i continued the search.
i was flavia’s birthday, and some guy was buying a lot of vodka for all the girls who wanted it. (… which explains some of carol’s uninhibited fooling around) i ran into her in the boite, and she was very nice; a tall slim girl with pleasant facial features. if she had been in the lineup at the private, i would have selected her, but at centaurus prices … not. t69 was in the relax room, which consists of about 7 parallel leather “beds”. i was standing next to t69’s bed and flavia was laying on the one next to t69’s. suddenly flavia pulled me down and started hugging me. she explained that the boss could not see her in the relax room alone, because girls can only enter if they come along with a guy. flavia did not want to session, but just wanted to kill some time until midnight, when she could leave and celebrate her birthday with all the other girls from centaurus at the disco la girl in ipanema. she invited me and my buddies to swing by at around 2 or 3, when the party was expected to be in full swing. [we ended up not making it (… read on), but it might have been fun.] i decided to give flavia a very soft massage, and in no time here eys were close, she was smiling from ear to ear and purring like a little cat. i admit i got some serious wood out of this. after 20 minutes or so she got note that she could leave centaurus, gave me a kiss, and off she went.
the last girl i want to describe is luana. she has a face that look amazingly like calista flockhart’s, but her body is not at all anorexic looking. wow, here we have something very close to a 10 in my book. in regular life she is an elementary school teacher. can you imagine how hard it must be for the boys in her class to concentrate? :d well, we had an excellent conversation. but luana was very reserved and did not grope or grind or drape herself all over me. clearly she needed to be courted, and this could have been a hell of a lot of fun. but at centaurus prices that seems a bit of a high risk. what if she turns out to hold back as much in bed as in public? at around 12:30, after 4 hours of a lot of fun, we left without closing a deal. btw, the drink prices at centaurus were actually downright cheap. i had 6 caipis and a milk-of-coco on my bill, and it came to 41r. 6r for a caipirinha! wow! what a real bargain.
well, this is almost the entire centaurus story … ipm pulled his centaurus girl and agreed to 400r for two hours in his apartment. he can report how this went, if he feels like it. the 4 of us went for a midnight snack at some pizza place named eclipse. then we dropped off ipm and his find, and t69 and i headed for more adventures.
showing range …
ok, now we come to the point where i explain the title of this post. they grade opera singers by the range of their voices between the highest and the lowest note they can hit. and the closer together they can hit those notes, the better it is. what t69 and i did next puts us definitely in paverotti’s class: we headed for villa mimosa. after hitting the highest end mongering point, we decided to contrast it with the lowest one i know.
after living in rio for quite some time, t69 had somehow never gone to vm. we relied on my recollection on how to get there, and together with a gps and a couple of stops to ask for directions, we made it. we passed a police control and parked across the street from the biker bar, then hoofed it for the last quarter mile.
vm has been described plenty of times before, and it was still the same filthy zoo i remembered, with hordes of horny guys paroling, an ever-changing lineup of girls offering, and unbelievably loud music blaring from overmatched loudspeaker systems in every casa. we took in the scene, explored all casas i knew of, made the rounds twice, enjoyed in the sights and sounds.
both of us had made up our minds that we were here only for shits and giggles, and that we would not fuck in this dump … except that as we are sitting at a table next to the meat-skewer vendor and having a drink, this blond girl appears. we study her and decide that she definitely has the face and body to be able to work at centaurus. again, we are not going to fuck, but it could be fun talking to her. being the genius of opening lines that i am, i cannot come up with anything better than balling up the paper wrapper of a straw and tossing it at her. but it does the trick, and she walks the five steps over to our table. we invite her for a drink; she has perfect teeth and a great smile. t69 also has a great conversation with her, but since i lack sufficient portuguese skills, all i could contribute was smiles.
ok, principles are there to be tossed overboard. we decide that we have to close the deal. t69 and i have very similar tastes, and decide to do her back-to-back. t69 insists that i should go first, since he got amanda earlier in the day when i had passed on his behalf. ok, so off we go. i pay the 30r, which includes the condom and a length of toilet paper for wiping after the deed. we climb the impossibly narrow metal winding stairs and her for one of thee 4 ft by 8 ft fuck stalls. ummm, disgusting. number one concern: do not let my clothes touch the ground. but when what’s-her-name takes off her clothes, she gets me hard right away, and all the filth around us is forgotten. really good session!
after my 20 minutes are up, she walks back down with me, tells t69 to wait, and then vanishes to take a shower and freshen up. back after 10 minutes, and then it is t69’s turn. he tells me he had the same excellent experience, and fully content we make our way back to the car a little after 4 am.
what a fun-filled 12 hours for the three tenors! (well, technically ipm missed vm and is thus not yet range-certified :), but he will be in rio a little longer, and i am sure that t69 will drag him to vm at least once.)
Our first action of the day led us to a “private” near Maracana stadium. It is one of the few privates, which are open on a Saturday afternoon. T69 had done excellent advance recon. Hopefully he will add a post that describes the location of this little gem, but I really do not know the address.Sounds like Massagem Tijuca.
Great post!
Hi Euro100,
I know you for your great reports and useful infos on FKK, so I am happy you are in Rio having great time and... thanks for your nice report !
Keep on having fun out there.
Cheers
Sounds like a good deal. You could probably get R150,000 of fucking just in the process of interviewing potential staff. Panel interviews, that is. :)
One of you wealthy guys should invest here. Rio is in need of a place where people can go for consistent service. For example, there is a pink salon that I use in Tokyo because I know that every girl is up for BBBJ, sucking balls, DATY and CIM without question. I would never see latex there or have a cum shot dodged, no matter what girl I get, it's 100% smiles and great attitudes and they all act like they are like starved girls feeding at my dick and balls with enthusiasm. It's a precondition of employment and standard of the shop. Rio needs a place with this consistency, meaning completely completa and a staff of sex addicted girls who want the job for more than just the money.
Tell us the name and location of the place in Tokyo, in case I ever get back there. :D
Euro100,
Of what use is your post about the "privado" you visited without some information about it, e.g., address, hours, phone number, name if it has one. Do you have this information? If so, please share it.
Thank you.
Euro100,
Of what use is your post about the "privado" you visited without some information about it, e.g., address, hours, phone number, name if it has one. Do you have this information? If so, please share it.
Thank you.
Yes, I know. That's all I have. Travelerb69 will hopefully be able to fill in the details once he gets a chance to write. Hours: all I know is that they were open on Saturday afternoon until at least 6 pm, which is remarkable. Travelerb69 will hopefully write soon, but I know that it will not happen right now, because as of the time of me writing this he is at L'uomo, screwing one of my three favorite girls there. :D
It is one of my favorite privates in Rio, it is called Massagem Tijuca. There are at least 200+ set ups that are nice and decent in Rio if you venture to get out of Copacabana. Here is their website:
http://www.massagemtijuca.com.br/
If you have trouble finding the directions on the forum, send me a private message. I can get there blindfolded.
Euro100,
Of what use is your post about the "privado" you visited without some information about it, e.g., address, hours, phone number, name if it has one. Do you have this information? If so, please share it.
Thank you.
Yeah, the women who work sex gigs are being exploited, but here's a news flash for certain people out there: ALL WORKERS ARE EXPLOITED. It's called "capitalism".
Hello!
A woman who chooses to sell sex to gringos on Copa for 175-400 reais a pop has to deal with a lot of shit, granted. Is it more shit than she'd have to deal with, per real earned, than a maid garnishing a minimum wage salary of 500 reais a month?
Not according to the women themselves: they've almost universally LEFT jobs as maids, beauticians and supermarket checkout girls to sell sex.
If you're truly worried about exploitation in the sex industry, then you need to support sex workers' rights, not be crying in your soup over their "exploitation".Not all workers are exploited, doc. I'd say you're too smart to make a blanket statement like this, so it must be your politics getting in the way. A person choosing to be an employer, a (ahem) capitalist, must have a risk tolerance, management capabilities, etc. A person choosing to put in his work-week hours, collect a check and walk away at the end of the day lives without the stress his employer has. Any tenured employee with a guaranteed paycheck, ought to know the difference.
As for GdP's, if they're self-employed capitalists playing the market.
Euro, do the bodies look anything like those pictures of amanda and the others. If so, why are they not working at termas?
Question about Centaurus? Now that Help is closed- are you having better luck paying the entrance fee only, and scoring some numbers for after 12:00. I would never session there at 480r, but it might be worth going a couple hours before closing and ask them to meet up for 200 reals. If they want extra money, I doubt balcony bar is their place.
Member #4170
08-09-10, 04:38
Question about Centaurus? Now that Help is closed- are you having better luck paying the entrance fee only, and scoring some numbers for after 12:00. I would never session there at 480r, but it might be worth going a couple hours before closing and ask them to meet up for 200 reals. If they want extra money, I doubt balcony bar is their place.We only get in with paying the entrance because we were with a native, I do not think there would be a chance of it if only gringos tried. As for getting numbers and doing privates, yes it works, I did it, I paid 400 reals as was mentioned by Euro, I spoke with some other girls, most would be happy to do private, some asked for 500 for 2 hours, and others said only after you had a session with them in the club first. I wish you luck getting any girl from there for 200, unless you are only talking about 1 hour.
Member #3439
08-09-10, 07:07
Number one concern: do not let my clothes touch the ground. But when what’s-her-name takes off her clothes, she gets me hard right away, and all the filth around us is forgotten. Really good session!
No kidding, take heed gentlemen! I was being uncautious and animalistic there in the first days of last month, just throwing my clothes wherever in VM, BA85, Ouvidor 130, and caught something bad, a rash all over my body plus athletes foot and jock itch. (No, not that rash! I am certified clean) All better now, though.
Thanks for the reports. I like the style..this is the first report in a while of someone tag-teaming a girl too, so nice display of teamwork! What made the service so good, in your opinion? In my experience, VM is usually CFS and CBJ, a lively fuck but no extras.
Anyone seen the film "THE HOSTEL". I think PP would not be out of place managing these kind of services for his select clientele.
Hey, I know this place in Complexo do Alemão where the girls are so horny that their heads bob involuntarily and they leave a pussy juice trail when they walk, you have to see it...and there's this really nice pousada. :)
Tell us the name and location of the place in Tokyo, in case I ever get back there. :D
Jan-Jan in Sugamo. Check the Tokyo thread for directions. For $R61 equivalent, no time limit, they'll milk you dry and you'll forget that you never got their rears. You leave empty with empty balls, a well-polished sack and a smile. J-girl butt is too boney anyway, it bruises my hips and they complain too much about dick size, even though mine is just average. But whenever and wherever a foreigner can give J-girls his gaijin unclean racially inferior devil cock, he should go for it, bruises and all, just to spite the bigots that run the industry there. Better yet, seed their non-pros.
Heading to Rio in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if Paola (indian looking morena, long straight hair with a fringe and smoking body) has been currently seen there...
athletes foot
That's the worst I've caught, apart from an upset stomach occasionally.
SlimHoleDrill
08-09-10, 16:09
Heading to Rio in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if Paola (indian looking morena, long straight hair with a fringe and smoking body) has been currently seen there...
No, haven't seen her f some time.
John Cricket
08-09-10, 17:30
Not all workers are exploited, doc. I'd say you're too smart to make a blanket statement like this, so it must be your politics getting in the way. A person choosing to be an employer, a (ahem) capitalist, must have a risk tolerance, management capabilities, etc. A person choosing to put in his work-week hours, collect a check and walk away at the end of the day lives without the stress his employer has. Any tenured employee with a guaranteed paycheck, ought to know the difference.
As for GdP's, if they're self-employed capitalists playing the market.Yeah, self-employed GdPs are indeed small capitalists.
But under marxist economic theory, yes indeed all workers are exploited, by definition. Why use Marxist theory on this? Because that's precisely what the antis- do when they talk about "exploitation of prostitution" in a legal sense. You run a brothel and employ a prostitute, you are "exploiting" them no matter what work conditions you sustain, simply because part of the fruits of their labor ends up in your pocket.
My point is "Alright, fair go. But then why isn't employing a maid also exploitation? "
What pisses me off is that antis- are full-bored Marxists when it comes to sex work, but no other form of work. A woman who sells pussy for 300 R$ a shot and who gives up 120 of this to the termas where she works. Exploitation! Put the same woman in a maid's outfit and employ her to clean a house, charging the client 80R$ an hour and paying her 5 R$ an hour. That's not exploitation! That's good old fashioned capitalism, the thing which makes the world go 'round!
The GdPs can do the math on this one, rest assured, even if many antis- (and apparently some mongers) can't.
That's the worst I've caught, apart from an upset stomach occasionally.Worst you'll admit, too. OK.
It is one of my favorite privates in Rio, it is called Massagem Tijuca. There are at least 200+ set ups that are nice and decent in Rio if you venture to get out of Copacabana. Here is their website:
http://www.massagemtijuca.com.br/
If you have trouble finding the directions on the forum, send me a private message. I can get there blindfolded.
Thanks for the URL! I know that there are a lot of these places, but had not bothered before. This is going to change now :D
And, yes, the picture of Gaby that I see there is pretty much what I remember. Also, even though I did not see here naked, I think that this could be the Amanda that T69 selected. Hair color and length are right, for sure.
Euro, do the bodies look anything like those pictures of amanda and the others. If so, why are they not working at termas?
Well, ok, everybody enhanced a bit with Photoshop these days to smooth over skin flaws. But, yes, I think that these pictures are pretty accurate.
Why would they not work in a terma? Oh, this can trigger a long discussion all by itself, but here are some arguments:
1. Work hours are from the morning until mid-to-late afternoon, as opposed to a terma, where you start in the mid-afternoon, but have to stay until midnight or later. So it is a lot easier to hide your true occupation from neighbors and relatives.
2. Working in a terma can be brutally competitive; you have to do a lot to outcompete your fellow terma girls. Often you are on your legs for many hours, letting guys grope and fondle and kiss you, and still go home empty-handed. In many termas it is rare when a girl gets more than one client on a given evening. At a private, you can relax and only have to go through the lineup each time a customer arrives, which only takes a few seconds of your time. If you are organized, you can even do other work during the inevitable waiting periods.
3. You are not expected to drink or be in a smoky environment if you work in a private.
4. You have a lot of regular customers at a private. Some of them you may actually be very comfortable with.
Soooo .... lots of possible reasons.
Heading to Rio in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if Paola (indian looking morena, long straight hair with a fringe and smoking body) has been currently seen there...
I know Paola and did not see her yesterday nor last week.
For you Ingrid fans (this club includes me, too, BTW): Ingrid was also not there. In talking with barkeep Peter I learned that she may be traveling right now. But in any case she works mostly on the weekends and has really reduced here appearances at L'uomo.
Thanks for the reports. I like the style..this is the first report in a while of someone tag-teaming a girl too, so nice display of teamwork! What made the service so good, in your opinion? In my experience, VM is usually CFS and CBJ, a lively fuck but no extras.
Yes, I am not talking about any extras. Just the standard VM offering. But I don't know, we just clicked. Sometimes I think I can detect the difference between a girl really getting into a session as opposed to faking getting into it. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this happened here. And when it happens I simply enjoy it more.
Actually, at VM I personally would be very worried if a girl offers more that covered-everything. If she does it for me, then she does it for others, too. And at 30R a pop, there have to be lots of others to make the finances come out right ... Having witnessed that the girl actually took a shower between going with me and then with T69 was comforting. But I also know that this is not always the case. So an extended exchange of bodily fluids would be not advisable in my book. I avoided DFK, too ...
Thanks for the URL! I know that there are a lot of these places, but had not bothered before. This is going to change now :D
And, yes, the picture of Gaby that I see there is pretty much what I remember. Also, even though I did not see here naked, I think that this could be the Amanda that T69 selected. Hair color and length are right, for sure.
Well, ok, everybody enhanced a bit with Photoshop these days to smooth over skin flaws. But, yes, I think that these pictures are pretty accurate.
Why would they not work in a terma? Oh, this can trigger a long discussion all by itself, but here are some arguments:
1. Work hours are from the morning until mid-to-late afternoon, as opposed to a terma, where you start in the mid-afternoon, but have to stay until midnight or later. So it is a lot easier to hide your true occupation from neighbors and relatives.
2. Working in a terma can be brutally competitive; you have to do a lot to outcompete your fellow terma girls. Often you are on your legs for many hours, letting guys grope and fondle and kiss you, and still go home empty-handed. In many termas it is rare when a girl gets more than one client on a given evening. At a private, you can relax and only have to go through the lineup each time a customer arrives, which only takes a few seconds of your time. If you are organized, you can even do other work during the inevitable waiting periods.
3. You are not expected to drink or be in a smoky environment if you work in a private.
4. You have a lot of regular customers at a private. Some of them you may actually be very comfortable with.
Soooo .... lots of possible reasons.
Some would need to work while their children are in school. They rather be there in the evenning with their kids.
Anyone know who the current onwer of monte carlo is?
I heard in the past that is was a different guy and that he owned monte carlo and solarium. Also curious to know how much the security guys mess around with the garotas?
Mr Enternational
08-09-10, 20:21
No kidding, take heed gentlemen! I was being uncautious and animalistic there in the first days of last month, just throwing my clothes wherever in VM, BA85, Ouvidor 130, and caught something bad, a rash all over my body plus athletes foot and jock itch. Wow. I always keep my shoes on in those places. I really hate when there is no hook to hang my clothes and I have to roll them up and put them on the bed.
Hey, I know this place in Complexo do Alemão where the girls are so horny that their heads bob involuntarily and they leave a pussy juice trail when they walk, you have to see it...LOL. I think those were crackheads that you saw.
Jan-Jan in Sugamo. Check the Tokyo thread for directions. For $R61 equivalent, no time limit, they'll milk you dry and you'll forget that you never got their rears. R$61? That is almost cheaper than the train. I definitely have to check that thread. I have been there a few times but have never done any mongering there. I always assumed that the cost of fucking would be out of the roof seeing how much that geisha and karaoke stuff costs.
Anyone know who the current onwer of monte carlo is?
I heard in the past that is was a different guy and that he owned monte carlo and solarium. Also curious to know how much the security guys mess around with the garotas?Top pimp is Roberto, followed by Mauro. Everton is the manager and is on a cut for each program. Security guys I would say not at all.
Anyone know who the current onwer of monte carlo is?
I heard in the past that is was a different guy and that he owned monte carlo and solarium. Also curious to know how much the security guys mess around with the garotas?Different owners now; it used to be the same owner but the original MC owner let Solarium go about 2-3 years ago; they do however still cross share some of the girls not often but once in a blue moon if one location is short! Example a little over a year ago owner of Solarium was known to be rude and pretty mean to the girls and he lost a good handful of Garotas one week cuz they got fed up and quit, the owner of MC helped him out by sending some of his girls to help out! The two owners are not the best of friends but will help each other out for business needs once in a great while!
Not likely do the girls mess with any of the staff or help; the guys just can't afford them (normal lifestyle) and the girls know that, these guys do not make very much money and already have family's of their own. Also and this is a "need to know" for newbees, always know in your mind that over 50% of terma girls are lesbian (I know most veterans hate to hear this and know it's true) so the girls are most likely to mess around with the gay female locker room attendant then any male security guard at a terma! Look at it like this, if you were having to suck 3 d**ks or more a day and having to be treated like a ***** and having to listen to the F'd up things men say to them 6 days out of the week, you would also be craving Pu**y over D**k!
True fact; befriend any terma girl outside the club and she will confirm this, some have recently told me that as much as 85% are lesbian now!!!
Yeah, self-employed GdPs are indeed small capitalists.
But under marxist economic theory, yes indeed all workers are exploited, by definition. Why use Marxist theory on this? Because that's precisely what the antis- do when they talk about "exploitation of prostitution" in a legal sense. You run a brothel and employ a prostitute, you are "exploiting" them no matter what work conditions you sustain, simply because part of the fruits of their labor ends up in your pocket.
My point is "Alright, fair go. But then why isn't employing a maid also exploitation? "
What pisses me off is that antis- are full-bored Marxists when it comes to sex work, but no other form of work. A woman who sells pussy for 300 R$ a shot and who gives up 120 of this to the termas where she works. Exploitation! Put the same woman in a maid's outfit and employ her to clean a house, charging the client 80R$ an hour and paying her 5 R$ an hour. That's not exploitation! That's good old fashioned capitalism, the thing which makes the world go 'round!
The GdPs can do the math on this one, rest assured, even if many antis- (and apparently some mongers) can't.Marxism has been consigned to the Dustbin of History. Are people still collecting paychecks to spout that non-sense?
Member #3439
08-10-10, 02:41
Why would they not work in a terma? Oh, this can trigger a long discussion all by itself, but here are some arguments:
Yes! Those are some insightful reasons. The smoking and drinking thing is notable for those people who have a big problem with that. I've never smelt strong smoke or any alcohol on an apartment girl's breath, whereas if I am in the other venues the girls smell of both plus sometimes food.
Particularly at Luomo, with Ane who some of you know is an absolute drunk and recently with Pietra who smelt so strongly of whiskey that I didn't want to kiss her. I'm no teetotaler and I do smoke, but I clean up nicely and at R300 everything on the sellers side should smell fresh.
My perception is also that the clientele at the apartments are a little easier on the girls. Check GPguia, many of the reporters don't even try for anal, "nao sei". I'm contrasting that with L'uomo, where everyone I've met seems to be insisting on 3 holes, even though the girls try to talk out of it, and we get our money's worth at the cu. That said, I've had excellent success giving anal on Rio Branco at low prices, but it's a different kind of sex and more nonchalant. At ~R80, I am treating a girl well because I'm getting a fair price. At ~R200+, I'm being nasty and hardball to get that money's worth, both for the session price and the expensive drinks that they guzzle on my tab, at twice the rate that I drink.
Mr. Ent, that was a reference to the movie. Right! FS in Tokyo is not cheap relative to someplace like Rio at all. Sometimes I do FS Japanese at high prices, Chinese FS for less, but mainly partake in excellent BBBJ shops and hire young Japanese pro dominas for mind-fuck experiences. Everyplace has it's values within a given price range.
Christopherd, hello. You have been quiet as of late and I suspected that you might have retreated to the monastic lifestyle somewhere in SEA or been shot by a jealous husband. Guess you finally got your login problem solved! Welcome back. Do you mean athletes foot is the only thing you've caught in VM, or all together after your ~hundreds of pros?
Why would they not work in a terma? Oh, this can trigger a long discussion all by itself, but here are some arguments:
2. Working in a terma can be brutally competitive; you have to do a lot to outcompete your fellow terma girls. Often you are on your legs for many hours, letting guys grope and fondle and kiss you, and still go home empty-handed. .
I agree with you on this one. I must have known about a dozen Centaraus girls who tried to work at 4x4 and quit because of this exact reason. They HATED having dozens of men trying to stick their tongue down their throats and trying to stuff their fingers up her asses and then they dont get a client after hours of this treatment!!! Since the majority of clients at 4x4 were brasilians, the girls hated being man handled all night long when they know that most of the brasilian guys couldnt afford to take them upstairs.
Thanks fellas, preciate the info. Have a friend who works there. She said basically the same thing. About 85.90% of the girls are lesbians. She also told me at a different point that many chicks have a man / husband at home. Some do not know their girl works. Although I suspect many do. She told me knows a few girls who have messed with the head of security. Apparently this guy works as manager of security for a few of the termas
Also heard that the owner of MC does the same?
Mr Enternational
08-10-10, 06:22
Since the majority of clients at 4x4 were brasilians, the girls hated being man handled all night long when they know that most of the brasilian guys couldnt afford to take them upstairs.Well shit at the rate they are charging now, I'm about to be right next to those Brazilians doing the same damn thing. So next time you are in 4X4 and see a black guy with a caipirinha in one hand, a pound of pussy in the other, and a shit-eating grin on his face then that will probably be me. When in Rome...
Eric Cartman
08-10-10, 07:27
Yes, the prices have gone up. I think my entrance fee and one session were combined about 300R. Caipiroskas have gone up to 14R, and whiskey is now 20R. Beer 6R, I think, and soft drinks 5. Memory is kinda hazy, because I had too much to drink. Total price tag for the evening from 6 to closing at midnight was a hair over 550R. Not cheap, but also not a killer. They currently give 1.75R for $1, which is the best exchange rate offered to me. (Comparison: 4x4 gave me 1.6).
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Euro, great report thanks. Man, I have to say I am amazed at how prices are going up. I know inflation is running at around 5% per year in Brazil, but this is crazy. A R$550 evening is probably around US $300 which is just not cheap. You can't be throwing down those every night -- well, at least I can't.
Who is paying this in Brazil these days, is what I want to know. Has the booming economy floated enough local boats that locals are in the money? I would imagine the strong Real is keeping away many of the foreign tourists.
John Cricket
08-10-10, 11:53
Marxism has been consigned to the Dustbin of History. Are people still collecting paychecks to spout that non-sense?Every economicist on the planet, to begin with.
There are some parts of Marx's theories which are simply integral to modern economics and the collapse of the USSR hasn't changed that (Marx's theories predicted that collapse in any case).
But yeah, this is what "exploited" means in the legal sense in Brazil when they say "sexual exploitation". It means you perform a sex act for pay and that someone gets a slice of that money. Whether that someone is a pimp or the owner of the termas who takes his cut out of room rental fees is immaterial. "Exploitation" doesn't legally mean "slapping the ***** around and taking her money".
But as I said, this is the same sort of "exploitation" that occurs when a person cleans a room and pockets 5R$ out of the 80 charged the client.
euro, great report thanks. man, i have to say i am amazed at how prices are going up. i know inflation is running at around 5% per year in brazil, but this is crazy. a r$550 evening is probably around us $300 which is just not cheap. you can't be throwing down those every night -- well, at least i can't.
who is paying this in brazil these days, is what i want to know. has the booming economy floated enough local boats that locals are in the money? i would imagine the strong real is keeping away many of the foreign tourists.
well, i think that l'uomo is following a dangerous path to a flat-out wrong business model. they have fewer customers; so they ramp up prices to keep profits high; which leads to even fewer customers. i have been there when i was the only guy in the boite for at least an hour straight. now, this may seem like paradise, 1 guy and 20 smoking-hot girls. but i cannot service them all :d for the girls there is then too low an earning potential. as soon as i settle on one or two (or perhaps three ...) that i party with, the rest of them has no incentive to be up and about, to dance, and so on. so the mood becomes rather dull.
l'uomo is at its best when there are about 10 to 15 guys in the boite. then all girls make great efforts to be noticed, and there is a fantastic party atmosphere.
on sunday ipm and t69 were meeting up with me at l'uomo. when vonia sat down with me and asked for a drink, she got whiskey (20r) & red bull (16r). i don't mind to do this occasionally, but ipm pointed out correctly to me that this one drink cost me more than what i paid to have 20 minutes of hot sex the night before at vm. food for thought ...
of course, i also had another girl, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), sitting on my other side, and she was also drinking on me (cocktail bellini, bargain at 20r). yes, since i got there at 4:30 the entrance fee was only 30r. but since i was drinking with two girls, the combination of drinks and entrance fee ran about 200r by the time i had to leave at 7 pm. which made it more expensive than the previous night at centaurus, where i paid 120r entrance, but then had incredibly cheap drinks (and a lot of them!). in other words, it is much easier to be a "big spender" and buy lots of drinks for the girls at centaurus than it is at l'uomo now. big problem for l'uomo in the long run.
of course, the 40-min sessions with [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and vonia were 240r each, and so much more reasonable than the centaurus prices, but still ...
for me the prices are still not a problem, because i come to rio so rarely that i can go all out every time. i don't mind spending about $2k on "fun" on each of those outings, which is much less than what i have left at poker tables in vegas on occasion, for example. but i still do not want to get the feeling that i am being hosed. i am not so much price driven, but adventure driven when i go explore other venues like vm. but i consider l'uomo my "home" in rio, at least on the weekends, and so it is sad that they have decided to go with the business model i described above. maybe one of you regulars at l'uomo could discuss the benefits of lower drink prices (more volume sales, more guys, happier girls, better business ...) with management ...
Exactly. More precisely from Paris. A city that any single girl on the planet dreams to visit.
Say the word "Paris" and watch a girl eyes light up as her legs spread apart ever so slightly in an uncontrolled response.This is a joke, right? Not even in Malaysia, home of the world's most fugliest people could this be considered a model. Except to you, 'the dude with the Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka, and flirting with girls passing by.' lol. 25 reales at Villa Mimosa.
. Maybe one of you regulars at L'uomo could discuss the benefits of lower drink prices (more volume sales, more guys, happier girls, better business ...) with management ...
The Luomo business model just sums up the was they do business in Brazil. No one is going to change anyones mind, especially someone from outside Brazil.
Well, I think that L'uomo is following a dangerous path to a flat-out wrong business model. They have fewer customers; so they ramp up prices to keep profits high; which leads to even fewer customers. I have been there when I was the only guy in the boite for at least an hour straight. Now, this may seem like paradise, 1 guy and 20 smoking-hot girls. But I cannot service them all :D For the girls there is then too low an earning potential. As soon as I settle on one or two (or perhaps three ...) that I party with, the rest of them has no incentive to be up and about, to dance, and so on. So the mood becomes rather dull.
Euro I agree with your post completely, but as Bubba says they aren't going to change, sad really.
Euro I agree with your post completely, but as Bubba says they aren't going to change, sad really.Been chatting with a few of the girls this week. They are not getting the return from their efforts at the terma. A few a have just decided to throw in the towel. The termas pimps are now forced to recruit at lower quality. For those of us gentleman that have been on the P4P circuit for years have noticed the drop in quality at the termas. It only effects the QTF crowd, for those that have been around for a while and have a bit more knowledge, it is working in our favor. Bring on the ass grabbing "pão duro" F**K whits. Just clears the field and less money for the pimps.
Christopherd, hello. You have been quiet
as of late and I suspected that you might
have retreated to the monastic lifestyle
somewhere in SEA or been shot by a
jealous husband. Guess you finally got
your login problem solved! Welcome back. Do you mean athletes foot is the
only thing you've caught in VM, or all
together after your ~hundreds of pros?
Hi PP - yes, login probs solved ta. Yeah, never caught an std in Brasil touch wood. Last time I got the clap was years ago from a lovely European pro giving me BBBJ of all things. Looking forward to carnaval in Bahia.
SlimHoleDrill
08-11-10, 14:02
Euro I agree with your post completely, but as Bubba says they aren't going to change, sad really.
At least L'uomo and MC offer specials that can lower your price. Go in early and session before 5, I think, and they waive the entrance at L'uomo. (They have always had a sliding scale on the entrance depending on how many sessions you do. If I remember correctly, after 3 you don't pay the entrada.) MC has the frequent fliers deal that is supposed to give free entrance after you spend R700. However, I have spent that and haven't gotten my discount yet. Note to self to pursue this next time. Other places just set the price and that is it.
I'm thinking of Centaurus here who still insist on the money up front. If I go there, I don't argue anymore because it is pointless and gets me in a bad mood which is not what you want if you are about to blow a large amount. I just pay it and go in because I am sure I will find a stunner there. But it still pisses me off if I think about it, just the principle of the thing and the arrogance. But, one thing for sure, it keeps out the gropers. Maybe 4X4 should give it a try. But maybe they make a lot of money that way.
I'm thinking of Centaurus here who still insist on the money up front.
I have never paid the the full amount up front. In fact you are the only one that I have heard of that has had to pay it after asking it to be waived. Don't know why this is.
The only time I was asked to pay the full amount upfront I didn't go in. That night they said "we are so full we don't have the time to keep having guys come down and pay the difference before they take the girl". My friend went in and was totally ripped off. He paid all upfront, then grabbed a girl after about 30 minutes and booked a cabine. He was still waiting after another hour for the cabine to be free, he couldn't wait any longer because his girlfriend was due to get to his apartment after work. Do you think he got a refund, of course not. They are complete assholes at the front counter.
Hi,
I will go to Rio in few weeks and I never been there.
My friend were used to go To Help but now help is closed so what I would like to ask you is:
Could you tell me where is now the right place to be?
Where are parting all the help s girls? I mean where is right now the Movida?
Thanks
SlimHoleDrill
08-11-10, 23:36
I have never paid the the full amount up front. In fact you are the only one that I have heard of that has had to pay it after asking it to be waived. Don't know why this is.
The only time I was asked to pay the full amount upfront I didn't go in. That night they said "we are so full we don't have the time to keep having guys come down and pay the difference before they take the girl". My friend went in and was totally ripped off. He paid all upfront, then grabbed a girl after about 30 minutes and booked a cabine. He was still waiting after another hour for the cabine to be free, he couldn't wait any longer because his girlfriend was due to get to his apartment after work. Do you think he got a refund, of course not. They are complete assholes at the front counter.
Maybe it is my shifty appearance. I have actually walked out twice when they first started this crap on me but like you say, they are completas at the front desk. I explained to them that I had been coming there for a long, long time, more than 15 years, but they didn't care if I walked or not. So, I decide if I am going to go or not and just put it out of my mind.
They have actually been doing this to customers for a long time. I remember years ago them asking for it up front from some guys coming in as I was leaving. I don't know how I got to this low status but I am there. Maybe it is because I have become so good at dressing down, they think I don't have the money?
It may simply have something to do with when you arrive, not how. We were told on the phone that if we made it in before 9 pm, they could waive the full fee for us, and we would only have to pay the 120R entrance fee. I can see that they think that nobody can withstand several hours of the garota onslaught inside. Whereas when you arrive at 11 or midnight and do not find something suitable right away, you may be tempted to just not have a session. In order to avoid this, they may insist on the full fee including the session fee much more stringently for the late arrivers.
... just a theory ... but based on one single data point ...
euro
Rock Harders
08-12-10, 03:42
Mongers-
I've probably been to Centaurus about ten times over the past year and each time they never made an issue about only paying the entrance fee. They certainly do not offer up the possibility of only paying the entrance fee, as upon entering the receptionist states it is R$ 450 (or whatever the price du jour is) which includes the services of one girl. About half the time I wasn't sure if I was going to session (hangover, feeling unmotivated) so I requested to only pay the entrance fee and they never hassled me about it. Interestingly enough, each time I paid the entrance fee I did end up taking a girl and thus had to go pay at the front desk before going with the girl.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Dr Clitorius
08-12-10, 04:17
Mongers-
I've probably been to Centaurus about ten times over the past year and each time they never made an issue about only paying the entrance fee. They certainly do not offer up the possibility of only paying the entrance fee, as upon entering the receptionist states it is R$ 450 (or whatever the price du jour is) which includes the services of one girl. About half the time I wasn't sure if I was going to session (hangover, feeling unmotivated) so I requested to only pay the entrance fee and they never hassled me about it. Interestingly enough, each time I paid the entrance fee I did end up taking a girl and thus had to go pay at the front desk before going with the girl.
Suerte,
Rock HardersGentlemen, knowing Centaurus and its managers since 1995 I can say that the rule for newebies is: pay the whole entrance fee before (pay per view. And then take 1 girl to have 40'cabine sex), but, if they see you several times and realized that you spend enough money to be considered a regular they only charge the plane ticket entrance (actually R$ 120) and you pay all the girls/drinks when you leave.
To be honest in my experience, having been there more than 200 times, it's very difficult to leave Centaurus without any action (more than 80/100 carioca girls everyday, 10 % of them are 8-10').
Regards
D. C.
Member #3439
08-12-10, 04:55
Where are parting all the help s girls? I mean where is right now the Movida?
Thanks
Balcony/Dolce Vita. Check typical prices here to make sure you're not getting ripped off. The Zona Sul termas prices you see below are not representative of the cost of good sex in Rio. Your first day in town, freerange girls will smell the newbie on you for a km and may try to play you with high prices and/or lowered services. They hang out in that part of town specifically because guys in that area can be typically worked for more money than elsewhere in town. IMO, best to start elsewhere to get off to a gain a footing and then try Zona Sul. I'd recommend that you take the 455 Copacabana-Meier bus from Ave. Nossa Senhora Copacabana and hop off after Candelária Church, can't miss the big dome. Hail a cab to take you 5 mins to 4x4, 44 Buenos Aires. Take a girl back before 5 and the entrance fee is waived. RTF for more info. If you start out this way, you're almost guaranteed a good session, plus you've learned the bus to the many low priced treasures of the Centro venues and VM. Then when you go back to Copa, you'll be oriented and have good baseline expectations on quality and service when you deal with your freerange girls. Don't be afraid to send a girl back with just taxi money if she's not meeting providing the 4x4 level of service at the typical ladybar prices given here by the ladybar guys, there are lots of fish in this sea.
Been chatting with a few of the girls this week. They are not getting the return from their efforts at the terma. A few a have just decided to throw in the towel.
And what did they propose to do for cash when they threw in the towel? My employer keeps the about 70% of my revenue as well, but I still make a lot of money relative to the average person, like a GDP, and am not about to quit and go work at a juice bar or something. And I wouldn't call it exploitation, even though I end up having a lot of sex due to work, sometimes it's with girls that annoy me or might be dangerous to my health, and I get to keep only a small fraction of the money that I'm bringing in. :)
Hi,
I have been a holiday regular at Centaurus for about a decade.
Standard payment for foreigners is to pay entrance and one 40 minute program upfront. Current price is R450.
Locals and foreigners who are regulars can pay just the entrance fee upfront. Once you pick a girl - and we all know that you will - you go downstairs to the reception to pay before you head up to the rooms.
A few locals and even fewer foreigners who are very well known at Centaurus are allowed to settle the entire bill upon exit. I find myself in this category but this is after many many years of knowing the managers.
Junior
What pisses me off is that antis- are full-bored Marxists when it comes to sex work, but no other form of work.Well, that's not entirely accurate. There are elements from BOTH the left and the right that work together on "anti-prostitution" laws and policies. It's just their reasoning and/or motivation that differs. For the left, it's about stopping "exploitation" of women (e. G., NOW) and for the right, it's more about promoting certain religious or societal "values" (evangelical groups, etc.) since men searching for carnal pleasures outside the marriage or girlfriend framework is somehow bad for the society.
Hi,
I have been a holiday regular at Centaurus for about a decade.
Standard payment for foreigners is to pay entrance and one 40 minute program upfront. Current price is R450.
Locals and foreigners who are regulars can pay just the entrance fee upfront. Once you pick a girl - and we all know that you will - you go downstairs to the reception to pay before you head up to the rooms.
A few locals and even fewer foreigners who are very well known at Centaurus are allowed to settle the entire bill upon exit. I find myself in this category but this is after many many years of knowing the managers.
JuniorI most definitely am not a regular at Centaurus. On my infrequent visits I pay just the R100 entrance. The other R20 is the tourist tax (I´m a Brit, but I expect they think I am Brazilian). Never really understood the arrogance of this place. The BS of returning to pay for the session before kills it for me.
My employer keeps the about 70% of my revenue as well, I wouldn't call it exploitation, even though I end up having a lot of sex due to work, sometimes it's with girls that annoy me or might be dangerous to my health, and I get to keep only a small fraction of the money that I'm bringing in. :)That´s just sad! Sounds like you need to change your pimp. I mean, your the one with the sore orifice and taking all the risk. I don't know, but I think you might be being exploited.
I dont agree that they are being taking advantage of. They are provided a safe place to work and make more money than most brazilians. Google makes billions off their emplyees and the employees are able to make 100k or a million a year. The company has a right to make as much as possible. They take the risks and deserve the rewards. Start your own business. It´s not so easy.
last friday, the day before the romp with t69 and ipm (report here: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1053226), i managed to squeeze in a visit to 4*4. my first observation is that it was significantly less crowded than during my previous visits. not empty, mind you, but one could simply walk through the main boite without having to push lots of bodies aside; the vip boite upstairs was closed when i checked around 6. second observation, since the introduction of the electronic tag key system, there seems to be no more asking for tips from the barkeepers and waiters. third, the part of the main boite where the glass-walled shower was is now a simple stripper pole (not used all night …). and forth, sadly the strip shows have become much less wild, tame almost by comparison to what i had seen during previous visits.
i went to 4*4 my usual way, with the metro. this is the safest and fastest way to travel to centro from the copa in my mind. plus it is cheap: 2.8r is the price for a single fair now. since i always select the premier copacabana hotel right at the sequiera campos metro station, it does not get any more convenient than using the metro to get to downtown. got off at uruguaiana, walked the 2 blocks, bingo.
the selection of girls was again great. less heavy on the ink and the big bunda than what i experienced previously, and more up my own personal alley of taste. i saw more than 50 girls, and at least 30 of them were eminently doable for me, with 10 or so with looks that put them right into my wheelhouse. my caipiroska and i took our time and made the rounds. chatted with a couple of really pretty girls, but didn’t feel the greatest vibes and so moved on.
then i saw a girl in an entirely different category. long legs, tight body, well-proportioned rack (not quite ipm-preferred type of huge headlights, but still …), a flawless face, with perfect teeth and ice-melting smile. medium-light skinned mulatta, looking a bit like whitney houston in her younger years. and her bunda just danced all by itself :d in a way that you can only see in brazil. her name is “funny” (i asked three times, and i think that this is really what she said.) she was dancing on the stage (with her clothes on) and spinning on that little trapeze thing. i was watching, mesmerized.
of course she noticed me, and of course she smiled and came over. she let her bunda grind against little euro in the rhythm of the music, again as only brazilian women can. my resistance was broken ;). instead of grabbing her by the hand and running off to a cabina like a bloody rookie, i managed to engage in a face-saving good half hour of chatting, drinking, dfk (super-hot, btw), and dancing. well, dancing is saying too much: she (or better yet: her bunda, which seemed strangely detached from the rest of her spine in its rocking motion) did all the dancing, and little euro was standing ramrod-straight and getting danced into. [yes, i am getting wood thinking about it.]
somehow most garotas seem to prefer the cabinas at the very end of the hallways, and so we had to wait a few minutes before our room was ready. we spent the time kissing and groping, which we then continued in the room. it was a great gfe one-hour session. pop one came way too soon. :(. i collapsed, we cuddled, and i think i even dozed off for a couple of minutes with her draped all over me. she woke me, and we went for round two. i had safely finished again about 5 minutes (rough guess) before the hour mark, but she was not done; so she urged me to continue. the phone rang, and she ignored it. another five minutes later, relief for her too. then we both took a quick shower in the room. there was definitely no clock-watching involved.
i went to the sauna, another shower, and relax room, before i returned to the boite. with my next caipiroska in hand i made my way towards the stage, and funny was dancing again. when she saw me, she smiled and took off her bikini top. i love brazil!!! she did a little show, seemingly just for me, then came over and had me hook her bikini top shut. special :). we chatted and kissed for a while, and of course i bought her another drink. then the regular strip show started. two really athletic performances from really pretty girls! i watched leaning against the front bar, i.e. from point-blank range. note in passing: one girl was fair-skinned and blond; for you friends of a lot of ink: she has a huge tattoo of something like a black panther on her hip, with the tail of the thing wrapping around her bunda and extending into her crotch. must have hurt like shit to get this tattoo. i found it kind of off-putting, too, but not so much that i did not let her dfk me after her show. the other dancer also came over and ground up against me and engaged in dfk. the three of us had a round of drinks, and i felt like a king. and then funny came back up from the whiskeria.
well, i am guessing that panther-girl and the other stripper were not exactly funny’s friends. funny moved in, shielded me from the other two girls with her body and reclaimed territory on me via a great dfk effort. i let her :d, and the other two girls somehow just moved on. after another half hour of drinking, kissing, and chatting i decided that i wanted to catch a metro before 11 pm. i told funny that i wanted to go. she said i walk with you. i said i am fine. she said “no programa; just walk with you”. hmmm, ok, so took my hand like we are a couple of young lovers, and she walked me right into the locker room and kissed me goodbye. the old locker room lady smiled broadly. gdp-jealousy is a beautiful thing to behold. too bad i only had a couple of days in rio; or else something more long-term might have been possible with funny.
Azn Safado
08-13-10, 05:05
I have to admit, all this Centaurus talk on these boards piqued my curiosity. I told myself I would never set foot in a place like that strictly out of principle - I'm not down with the whole paying everything up front crap. Well, it's the principle and more so the exorbitant prices!
I landed in Rio yesterday and made a trip to 4x4. For the first time ever, I did not see anything I liked over there and I was there from 7p-9p. I'm probably the first monger ever to land in Rio in the morning, have plenty of time to rest up, and not session the first night! Ha. Anyway, I figured since I didn't session the first night, I'll just give Centaurus a go. It wouldn't necessarily be blowing my budget out of the water, I having not sessioned the night before and all.
So I get to Centaurus on a Thursday night around 8:30p. This place happens to be 2 blocks from the apartment I am staying at in Ipanema. I figured this will be a one-shot deal - go in, pick someone you vibe with, do a session, and try to pull her out of the terma for some possibly lower cost programas. Well, lower cost is relative of course. Any outside programma will be lower than paying for 40 mins at an upscale Zona Sul terma, which are all $R310 and above unless you get in early for a discount (Luomo, MC) or it's some weekly coupon special (MC, Solarium).
I pay upfront the R$450 gringo price. I knew what I was getting into and was planning to session anyway, so no argument from me to the front desk. Inside the boite, I would say there are about 60 girls there and maybe 25 guys. The ratio was quite good. As far as the talent pool, I'll have to admit that I am pretty impressed. There were a handful of 9's and plenty of 8's. Pretty much a notch above Solarium. I also noticed that a lot of girls there speak a fair amount of English, mostly learned in the boite I reckon.
Since these girls know most customers already have the programa locked into their entry fee, they are pretty damn aggressive here. First girl I meet and she latches on pretty tight. She was quite cute though, reminded me of porn star Micah Moore. I talked to her for a bit, then walked around some more. For some reason, I ended up back talking to that same first girl - Cindy. Had a pretty good vibe from her, I guess. After some drinks, we went up to the cabine for a 40-minute session. The cabine was quite roomy, had nice decor, and a nice full size bed. As for the session itself, it was nothing special or wild. More like love making, which I enjoy also. So I got her number and figured I would try to make plans with her in a day or 2.
I went back down to the boite just to look around and savor the moment. After all, I'm not coming back to Centaurus again. Or will I? Damn, I wish I were rich and that these prices didn't matter to me! It would be my favorite watering hole just purely on the stone-cold stunners there, I think. I ended up running into an old friend from another terma. We sat down for a drink and did some catching up. Of course the girl Cindy that I sessioned with came down and saw me with this other girl. She's probably mad, but oh well. I was just chatting with the other girl, so we'll see.
In conclusion, I would say I really like Centaurus and if I were independently wealthy, I would definitely frequent the place.
I have to admit, all this Centaurus talk on these boards piqued my curiosity. I told myself I would never set foot in a place like that strictly out of principle. I'm not down with the whole paying everything up front crap. Well, it's the principle and more so the exorbitant prices!
I landed in Rio yesterday and made a trip to 4x4. For the first time ever, I did not see anything I liked over there and I was there from 7p-9p. I'm probably the first monger ever to land in Rio in the morning, have plenty of time to rest up, and not session the first night! Ha. Anyway, I figured since I didn't session the first night, I'll just give Centaurus a go. It wouldn't necessarily be blowing my budget out of the water, I having not sessioned the night before and all.
So I get to Centaurus on a Thursday night around 8:30p. This place happens to be 2 blocks from the apartment I am staying at in Ipanema. I figured this will be a one-shot deal. Go in, pick someone you vibe with, do a session, and try to pull her out of the terma for some possibly lower cost programas. Well, lower cost is relative of course. Any outside programma will be lower than paying for 40 mins at an upscale Zona Sul terma, which are all $R310 and above unless you get in early for a discount (Luomo, MC) or it's some weekly coupon special (MC, Solarium).
I pay upfront the R$450 gringo price. I knew what I was getting into and was planning to session anyway, so no argument from me to the front desk. Inside the boite, I would say there are about 60 girls there and maybe 25 guys. The ratio was quite good. As far as the talent pool, I'll have to admit that I am pretty impressed. There were a handful of 9's and plenty of 8's. Pretty much a notch above Solarium. I also noticed that a lot of girls there speak a fair amount of English, mostly learned in the boite I reckon.
Since these girls know most customers already have the programa locked into their entry fee, they are pretty damn aggressive here. First girl I meet and she latches on pretty tight. She was quite cute though, reminded me of porn star Micah Moore. I talked to her for a bit, then walked around some more. For some reason, I ended up back talking to that same first girl. Cindy. Had a pretty good vibe from her, I guess. After some drinks, we went up to the cabine for a 40-minute session. The cabine was quite roomy, had nice decor, and a nice full size bed. As for the session itself, it was nothing special or wild. More like love making, which I enjoy also. So I got her number and figured I would try to make plans with her in a day or 2.
I went back down to the boite just to look around and savor the moment. After all, I'm not coming back to Centaurus again. Or will I? Damn, I wish I were rich and that these prices didn't matter to me! It would be my favorite watering hole just purely on the stone-cold stunners there, I think. I ended up running into an old friend from another terma. We sat down for a drink and did some catching up. Of course the girl Cindy that I sessioned with came down and saw me with this other girl. She's probably mad, but oh well. I was just chatting with the other girl, so we'll C.
In conclusion, I would say I really like Centaurus and if I were independently wealthy, I would definitely frequent the place.Thanks!
I was trying to tell this group that the women are HEAD and SHOULDERS above but the price is crazy! I limit myself to once a trip and try to get a number for a outside session.
Brazil Specialist
08-13-10, 23:37
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/brazils_child_sex_tourism_industry_is_on_the_rise
Please write some nasty comments on that site.
I was kicked out already, so you guys please comment. this is so absurd!!
Sorry for interrupting the flow here .........
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/brazils_child_sex_tourism_industry_is_on_the_rise
Please write some nasty comments on that site.
I was kicked out already, so you guys please comment. this is so absurd!!
Sorry for interrupting the flow here .........
Same as always, but just more attention because of the Worldcup and OS.
Brazil always had this problem. IMO this is a majorly a domestic problem as the average gringo Rio-sextourist will not encounter this problem.
I think it's good if the police do a thorough clean-up in Fortaleza and Recife etc to scare away the the perverts.
Brazil Specialist
08-14-10, 01:25
same as always, but just more attention because of the worldcup and os.
brazil always had this problem. imo this is a majorly a domestic problem as the average gringo rio-sextourist will not encounter this problem.
i think it's good if the police do a thorough clean-up in fortaleza and recife etc to scare away the the perverts.
i beg to differ. where is **** prostitution on the rise? no way!!
if you don't go to truck stops in the middle of nowhere or other exotic places, you have a hard time finding a minor.
if you don't watch out you find an occasional potential minor, but very rare. that article is a total bs.
Tiradentes
08-14-10, 02:06
I am not sure if that was mentioned here before, but the old bag who used to watch over the girls at Centaurus " Tia ??" has defected to 4x4 where I saw her last week. She probably got pissed off by the shitty management treatment that we all have faced.
Also, the gerente of MC terma who moved to 4x4 a couple of years ago is back at MC.
p.s. I belong to team : BOYCOTT CENTAURUS
Rock Harders
08-14-10, 03:24
Mongers-
I never understood why some of you are aggressively anti-Centaurus and call for its boycott. Yes, it is the most expensive Termas in Rio de Janeiro. However, it also has the hottest white women of all the venues in Rio de Janeiro (by far IME). Centaurus management is not outrageously bad; they tell you what the price is and what it includes, and you get exactly what you pay for. Also, the drink prices at Centaurus are relatively low and the fuckrooms are large and include a full size bed. Essentially it is a high end venue offering a high end product at a (relatively) high end price. There are plenty of cheaper venues for those who don't want to or can't spend the money for Centaurus; this is fine, but don't get mad that there exists a high end venue for those who are willing and/or able to spend the money to enjoy it. Brasil is not a budget destination anymore and will not be for the foreseeable future.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Azn Safado
08-14-10, 03:31
Mongers-
I never understood why some of you are aggressively anti-Centaurus and call for its boycott. Yes, it is the most expensive Termas in Rio de Janeiro. However, it also has the hottest white women of all the venues in Rio de Janeiro (by far IME). Centaurus management is not outrageously bad; they tell you what the price is and what it includes, and you get exactly what you pay for. Also, the drink prices at Centaurus are relatively low and the fuckrooms are large and include a full size bed. Essentially it is a high end venue offering a high end product at a (relatively) high end price. There are plenty of cheaper venues for those who don't want to or can't spend the money for Centaurus; this is fine, but don't get mad that there exists a high end venue for those who are willing and/or able to spend the money to enjoy it. Brasil is not a budget destination anymore and will not be for the foreseeable future.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Amen to everything you said. Having finally gone there, it gave me some perspective. It's a place where if I could afford to go, I definitely would all the time as the choice of women are a notch above all the other upscale termas I've been to in Rio.
One Eyed Man
08-14-10, 03:40
Mongers-
I never understood why some of you are aggressively anti-Centaurus and call for its boycott.
The first couple times I went to Rio, I went there, and yes, the girls were attractive, but the services was mixed. I even got CBJs there. The problem I have is with their mercenary attitude. Having you pay in advance for a girl sends the clear message that they don't trust you. If you want a second girl, you have to go to the front desk to pay in advance. To my knowledge, this is the only therma where they don't trust you to settle your bill when you leave, and their mercenary attitude really stinks. Yes, I understand if you are Brazilian or they know you, you don't have to pay the girl fee in advance, but you still have to pay when you enter.
Amen to everything you said. Having finally gone there, it gave me some perspective. It's a place where if I could afford to go, I definitely would all the time as the choice of women are a notch above all the other upscale termas I've been to in Rio.The last time I visited I was not overly impressed with the quality of the girls. I also have experienced more hard sell from the prostitutes at Centaurus. This is always off putting.
The first couple times I went to Rio, I went there, and yes, the girls were attractive, but the services was mixed. I even got CBJs there. The problem I have is with their mercenary attitude. Having you pay in advance for a girl sends the clear message that they don't trust you. If you want a second girl, you have to go to the front desk to pay in advance. To my knowledge, this is the only therma where they don't trust you to settle your bill when you leave, and their mercenary attitude really stinks. Yes, I understand if you are Brazilian or they know you, you don't have to pay the girl fee in advance, but you still have to pay when you enter.
You are absolutely right. An iron clad rule for mongers should be, never pay in advance, whether in a termas or in your apartment/hotel room. No exceptions. If they can't trust me to pay after service is delivered, well, unfuck them, as Lenny Bruce used to say.
Azn Safado
08-14-10, 04:04
Monte Carlo Promotion
I was feeling lazy today so I decided to head to Monte Carlo to take advantage of their promotion - waive the $R70 cabine fee if you session before 6p (Mon - Fri). Of course I was mistaken and thought it was like Luomo's promotion where you just have to arrive before 6p. Anyway, I got there at 5:40p and asked about the promotion. The manager said that they tried it for 2 months but it is no longer available. I told them that it is still advertised on their website. If you go to their website, it says something to the effect of "Promotion of the Month: Afternoon Lightning - Going to the cabin until 18:00 you do not pay the ticket! (Monday to Friday)" He said "let me go talk to someone"...He comes back and says "you can have the $R70 fee waived just for today if you bring a girl to the room before 6p". Given that I screwed up on the timing and wouldn't even be able to choose a girl in time, I decided to leave of course. So yeah, I don't know what the deal with that promotion is now. I guess if you argue that it is still on the website, they'll let you have it.
Plan B - Termas Cancun
So onto plan B - giving Termas Cancun one more try. I hopped on the Siqueira Campos subway and arrived at Cancun around 6:30p. Entry fee was $R50 but that included 2 free drinks, I think. The boite was pretty empty at first, with a bad ratio of 12 guys and 15 girls. The girls would keep funneling in and out, rotating from the Whiskeria to the Boite and so forth.
I sat around patiently till after 8p, where things picked up somewhat. There was a live band playing so the atmosphere was a bit better. By then, there were about 30 girls to 15 guys. I must say, out of the lineup, I only found about 5 that I would consider sessioning with, and maybe one 9 in the crowd. One sweet, petite spinner then came up to me. She was what I would classify as my type, but alas she was hyper-aggressive. No name introduction, just "let's go to the room". I asked if she wanted a drink and she said "no, let's go to the room". I said "no thanks". What a pity, because she was physically what I was looking for.
I was about to pull the rip-cord and exit but then started chatting up with a gorgeous blond named Lucy. She was thin on top and thick on the bottom, normally not what I go for. But her face made up for a lot and I was getting blue-balls just standing around, so we went to the cabine for an hour. The room was very nice, a notch above 4x4's 1-hour standard room. The session was above average I would say.
Upon exit, I had to pay R$240 for the one hour session and $R50 for cover. That's $R290! There's a scrolling LED board at the reception that has the prices, and it said $R220 for the 40-minute cabine, $R240 for 1-hour. So I didn't realize how EXPENSIVE even this place has gotten. More than 4x4! For some reason, I thought I read a recent report that Cancun was $R230, but maybe that was the price if you session before 5p. Anyway, I'm gonna go hit the prives next week to make up for this rapid inflation.
Pussyhunter099
08-14-10, 04:32
Make sure you check your bill carefully at Cancun. I went there twice last April and the first time they tried to charge me twice for the R30 entrance fee.
Last April it was 40min R200, 1hr R220, entrance R30.
Centaurus is a business, and they have a certain business model. Their design is to keep people out, who just want to grope the girls and not session. They also want to keep the drinks relatively cheap and thus go high on the entrance fee. And they want to attract the best talent and thus have decided to charge the highest fees for the sessions. All of these are business decision that can be defended. Question is: do they work out? In the end, all that matters is how many men come to Centaurus under those conditions. And at least last Saturday there were quite a few men (~20-30) who were there; so they must be doing something right.
As for the best-looking white women being at Centaurus: yes, one can make an argument there, at least from the total number of really good-looking white women. To me personally the skin color is absolutely secondary; I dip my stick in everything from milk to espresso. But I still liked the sheer volume of eye candy at Centaurus. So I suppose that I will be back at Centaurus in the future.
BTW, Centaurus is not the only place that charges up front; VM does, too :D
Upon exit, I had to pay R$240 for the one hour session and $R50 for cover. That's $R290! There's a scrolling LED board at the reception that has the prices, and it said $R220 for the 40-minute cabine, $R240 for 1-hour. So I didn't realize how EXPENSIVE even this place has gotten. More than 4x4! For some reason, I thought I read a recent report that Cancun was $R230, but maybe that was the price if you session before 5p. Anyway, I'm gonna go hit the prives next week to make up for this rapid inflation.
If you want a cheaper terma, perhaps you could give 502 a try. It is at the corner of R. da Alfandega and Av. Rio Branco. In other words, very close to 4*4 and Cancun. A little bit more run down, smaller selection of girls, but I seem to remember that the prices start at ~80R for 20 minutes. Entry is real cheap; I think 10R. You don't take your street clothes off either (so it's not exactly a terma ...). I didn't session there this time in RIo, but I remember it was pretty good last year.
Azn Safado
08-14-10, 05:14
If you want a cheaper terma, perhaps you could give 502 a try. It is at the corner of R. da Alfandega and Av. Rio Branco. In other words, very close to 4*4 and Cancun. A little bit more run down, smaller selection of girls, but I seem to remember that the prices start at ~80R for 20 minutes. Entry is real cheap; I think 10R. You don't take your street clothes off either (so it's not exactly a terma ...). I didn't session there this time in RIo, but I remember it was pretty good last year.
I was actually thinking about making a cheap terma run sometime this week too. Maybe hit 502, Aquarius 61, and Termas 81. I did a similar run a couple of years back - it's hit or miss, but I'm sure there are gems to be had. Never been to Termas 81 before, but I think I read some decent reviews here somewhere about it.
Centaurus is a business, and they have a certain business model. Their design is to keep people out, who just want to grope the girls and not session. They also want to keep the drinks relatively cheap and thus go high on the entrance fee. And they want to attract the best talent and thus have decided to charge the highest fees for the sessions. All of these are business decision that can be defended. Question is: do they work out? In the end, all that matters is how many men come to Centaurus under those conditions. And at least last Saturday there were quite a few men ( 20-30) who were there; so they must be doing something right.
As for the best-looking white women being at Centaurus: yes, one can make an argument there, at least from the total number of really good-looking white women. To me personally the skin color is absolutely secondary; I dip my stick in everything from milk to espresso. But I still liked the sheer volume of eye candy at Centaurus. So I suppose that I will be back at Centaurus in the future.
BTW, Centaurus is not the only place that charges up front; VM does, tooI can understand it at VM. Lots of low budget low life clientele, high risk of them doing a runner. The money is not an issue for me, paying up front at Centaurus is a mood killer.
Azn Safado
08-14-10, 16:12
Make sure you check your bill carefully at Cancun. I went there twice last April and the first time they tried to charge me twice for the R30 entrance fee.
Last April it was 40min R200, 1hr R220, entrance R30.
Yeah, I hope I didn't get ripped off, at least for the entry fee. She told me it was $R50 upfront. Maybe it's the gringo entry fee. Ha. Anyway, that's the same entry fee as what 4x4 is now. As far as the cabine prices, there's a scrolling LED board with the prices so at least I know those prices were accurate.
SirMarjAlot
08-14-10, 16:18
Flew to Rio with TAM airlines from London Heathrow in June 2010, just short of £600. My first visit to Rio, Brazil and the continent of South America. Originally planning to stay in a beach front apartment with Gringo management but read more bad than good about this agency so went down the girl friendly hotel route and stayed at the Atlantico Copacabana hotel on Siqueria Campos. Good choice, and good location for around $100 a night.
I had a few months to research the place and try and get a list of venues to visit. I compiled my Rio Mongering hotspots map.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=105533684930997825392.00047f7f7ffcfa676d54c&ll=-22.974515,-43.15361&spn=0.111106,0.153637&z=13
This was going to be the post club Help era and reports were the mongering in Rio was on the decline. I intended to make my first visit many years ago in 2002 when my mongering career first began but the fear of crime always put me off. For me, on the ground there, this did not materialise, I found it surprisingly safe to walk around, although things could easy change in a split second if your in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Balcony
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The main concentration of garotas now was to be found at the Balcony bar Leme end of Av Atlantico, this apparently has taken over from Atlantico Terracato and Club Help with the small Dolce Vita nightclub next door. Years ago this bar was apparently the lowest in the pecking order but things change.
On my first night in Rio I met two girls in Balcony and we went to a short-time love hotel for a threesome 2 minutes around the corner for 50R for 2 hours. For taking two girls it was 80R. The Lido love hotel was very clean and roomy. These two girls were good fun although CBJ. 100R each.
A few days later, late afternoon I meet a very curvacious black girl in the Balcony and it was round too the Lido love motel for more of the same. Very good sex session with Rosie for 150R.
A few nights later one of the girls I meet from the first night introduces me to her friend a very sexy 23yo. Decided to take her back to the hotel and no problems signing her in. Once up in the room she was happy to stay all night for 200R. Some great sex sessions with her.
After trying the clubs one night and not scoring headed back to the Balcony to see what it was like after midnight, very busy while all the other bars along the Avenue were closed or empty. In fact Balcony really is the only show in town for meeting freelancer garota's. Three girls pounce on me in there, I like one but not the other two. They were getting their tits out in the bar and showing me their ass and pussy in the street, desperate for me to take all 3 of them into the Lido hotel, desperate for cash though.
I just take one back to the hotel, again 200R for TLN. Not such a good performer though, she initially wanted paying up front, she seemed a bit nervous unlike the ones before. But she relax and was ok to pay on exit. i guess mongers not want to pay her before because she not give good service.
On the day Brazil played their first match in the world cup again I watch the match at the Balcony, once kickoff the place was packed. I got friendly with a pretty maturer garota who chose to sit with me. After it was back to the hotel for another session, she wanted 300R for spending the afternoon and evening with me, but she left with 250R, she wanted to stay in contact, but im not interested, too expensive.
But I never failed to meet a girl I liked within a few minutes of arriving at the Balcony bar.
***** Beach
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Tried this one day opposite the Orthon hotel, but this area is a bit of a tourist trap. Was introduced to a couple of very sexy girls but was not keen on dealing with the middle man and not so convienent without the beach side apartment.
Termas
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My first Termas was Luomo on Siqueria Campos just up from my hotel. The price for entry was 60 Reals and for a 40 minute session with one of the garotas was 240 reals so 300 reals without drinks etc. Inside there were about 15 girls and I wanted to fuck them all. I take a Latino into the cabines and get a full on PSE with her. Afterwards spend some time in the bar and there was a couple of real young stunners in there with fantastic bundas, blondes blacks Latinas and Mulatos. Was intending to return here, a real nice laid back comfy place with some lovely girls.
Tried Monte Carlo Located just up from the Copacabana beach on Rua Hilario de Gouveia, was a Saturday night, told less girls working at the weekend. More girls inside than Luomo and more punters but not all top notch but still alot to choose from. Took a tall very curvacious black girl to the cabines for another PSE this one doing CIM. Price 70 reals admission, 170 reals for a 40 minutes session with one of the garotas, and then 70 reals for the room. Really enjoyed the saunas in here too.
Venture into Centro to try a Termas there, around a 100R cheaper here than Copacabana and many more Termas to choose from but the one to try is Quatro por Quatro 4x4 located at Rua Buenos Aires 44. Alot more busy in here plenty of girls to choose from I take a Latina too the cabines and she was very eager to please. The price - if I take girl before 5pm then entrance fee of 50 reals will be waived, the cost is 200 reals for 40 minutes including the cabine.
Clubs Boites
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Tried these one night most are located in and around Avenue Princesa Isabel Leme end of Copacabana. Sensoo had some real stunners dancing was very comfy inside and seemed all above board, 50R entry which includes your first two drinks.
Next I tried Barbarellas, again 50R entrance fee first two drinks free. Not what i was expecting, this place is much bigger than the other joints but has definately seen better days which is probably true for much of the mongering scene around Copacabana. Mostly average girls inside fully dressed asking 400R Iv seen better 100R girls in the Balcony.
Next Pussycats no entrance fee but 15R a beer, bit empty inside but a few doable girls inside, I found the clubs to not really be to my liking even though of course its all about money we like to try and forget that at least for a while, ok, some get too carried away with this idea and think the girls really like them.
That kind of sums up my mongering experience in Rio. Enjoyed myself very much. June is low season but the weather was perfect, the beach was the best and the scenary fantastic. Good healthy food at the Kilo resturants. The people very warm and friendly. Shame i missed its heyday.
My Rio youTube Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbaexWRlKA
Yeah, I hope I didn't get ripped off, at least for the entry fee. She told me it was $R50 upfront. Maybe it's the gringo entry fee. Ha. Anyway, that's the same entry fee as what 4x4 is now. As far as the cabine prices, there's a scrolling LED board with the prices so at least I know those prices were accurate.
You were not ripped off. When they have live music there is a R$50 minimum consumption charge. When there is not live music the R$ 30 entrance fee applies, I believe they waive that if you take a girl before 5pm. The 40 minute girl+cabine fee is R$200. Hence R$230 is the normal 40minute + entrance.
Tiradentes
08-14-10, 21:05
My Rio youTube Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbaexWRlKA
Mike 'The Situation' would rank the chicks that you hooked up with as grenades, and landmines.
And speaking of grenades and landmines, Terma MC is full of them. Looks like they hired every favela girl that applied for a job in there.
I think I visited various parts of Brazil 10 times in the past 8 years. Then I started dating an American girl. Certain things happened that would never happen in Brazil; like "my jaw is sore" (after a 10 min. BJ). Just didn't seem to know what to do with her hands. And certain things were just fuckin strange; like "I don't like saliva on my pussy".
W.T.F.!!!
My Boy and I arrive in a few weeks.
I have a question for you guys; Since Help seems to have gone for good, what are the "club-like" venues where the same sort of business is conducted?
I don't see much chatter about it.
There seems to be more small Centro casa action. We are both fluent and familiar with the place. So any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank God for the Forum!!!
Well, I just found SRMRJLAOT's post from yesterday. It not only answers my questions, it's one of the best reports I've ever read.
That dude is smooth!
Brazil Specialist
08-16-10, 08:14
BTW, Centaurus is not the only place that charges up front; VM does, too :D
Wrong.
No other place charges you for the program before you have seen the girl. Many places want your money before you start the actual deed but after you saw and chose the girl.
Even outcall escorts, you can send them back paying the taxi
Yeah most of those chicks are nasty!
Mike 'The Situation' would rank the chicks that you hooked up with as grenades, and landmines.
And speaking of grenades and landmines, Terma MC is full of them. Looks like they hired every favela girl that applied for a job in there.
i have a question for you guys; since help seems to have gone for good, what are the "club-like" venues where the same sort of business is conducted?
really there has been no substitute. some of the traffic has gone to the balcony bar but only the really rough stuff. the 3 or 4 times that i have passed the balcony bar it has been really bad. really scraping the barrel. the better help girls won't go there because the whole world can see in when they pass the balcony bar, it is too open. at least at help they had some protection from being inside a club.
in my opinion there is a lot less working girls in copacabana now. i personally spend most of my time in centro now. the usual big clubs but also there are a ton of smaller clubs where it costs r$10 to enter and if you go to say 3 or 4 you can fine a real cutie to your liking for less than r$ 100. bascially the small clubs only have 6 to 10 girls if they are lucky, but the quality is similar to that of the bigger clubs, they just don't have 50 to 100 girls where it is easy to find something you like.
don't ask me which clubs i go to specifically because it varies a lot, but just go this the " b*tch map" click on rio and it will give you a ton of choices in centro. just print it out and go for a wander.
http://bitchmaps.com/index_en.html
Azn Safado
08-16-10, 18:39
Yeah most of those chicks are nasty!
C'mon guys, give him a break. He was nice enough to share his whole experience here. SirMarjAlot is a very good writer by the way. There's a link to his mongering blog site (which covers other interesting parts of the world) in the recent "Reports Of Distinction" section, which is a very good read!
really there has been no substitute. some of the traffic has gone to the balcony bar but only the really rough stuff. the 3 or 4 times that i have passed the balcony bar it has been really bad. really scraping the barrel. the better help girls won't go there because the whole world can see in when they pass the balcony bar, it is too open. at least at help they had some protection from being inside a club.
you are right about this. i knew girls who had regular jobs during the daytime but they would work in help 2-3 times a week to make extra money. those girls would damn near sprint from the taxi to the entrance to help because they didnt want to take the chance of being seen. they loved working in help because they knew that regular brasilians would never go into help, so no chance of being seen by a neighbor or a co-worker. those same girls can never work balcony because its too out in the open.
C'mon guys, give him a break. He was nice enough to share his whole experience here. SirMarjAlot is a very good writer by the way. There's a link to his mongering blog site (which covers other interesting parts of the world) in the recent "Reports Of Distinction" section, which is a very good read!It is good, isn't it? Have you signed up yet for his for-pay site and accessed all of SenorMargelots great material?
My boots-on-the-ground reporter in Rio called me a few minutes ago with news that the word on the street is a new disco is opening somewhere between the Museo de Cine e Som and the Copacabana Palace Hotel, nearer to the hotel. Word is it will be bigger then HELP and will be open by October. I'll be in Rio next week for a 2 day recce run and see what I C. As with most things in Brasil/Rio, only time will tell.
SirMarjAlot
08-16-10, 20:23
I think I visited various parts of Brazil 10 times in the past 8 years. Then I started dating an American girl. Certain things happened that would never happen in Brazil; like "my jaw is sore" (after a 10 min. BJ). Just didn't seem to know what to do with her hands. And certain things were just fuckin strange; like "I don't like saliva on my pussy".
W. T. F.!
My Boy and I arrive in a few weeks.
I have a question for you guys; Since Help seems to have gone for good, what are the "club-like" venues where the same sort of business is conducted?
I don't see much chatter about it.
There seems to be more small Centro casa action. We are both fluent and familiar with the place. So any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank God for the Forum!
Well, I just found SRMRJLAOT's post from yesterday. It not only answers my questions, it's one of the best reports I've ever read.
That dude is smooth!THanks mate, really appreciate that, I'm a Rio newbie, but I did fall in love with the place and will definately return. I'm off to Thailand though September loads of venues there but all the girls are the same. Going to miss the Bundas. Thanks to Sperto too.
SirMarjAlot
08-16-10, 20:37
C'mon guys, give him a break. He was nice enough to share his whole experience here. SirMarjAlot is a very good writer by the way. There's a link to his mongering blog site (which covers other interesting parts of the world) in the recent "Reports Of Distinction" section, which is a very good read!Thanks I'm used to it. I'm glad I'm not too fussy. You can't miss what you don't know. There is some talent in Balcony, but need to be a bit of a regular in there to cross paths.
You are right about this. I knew girls who had regular jobs during the daytime but they would work in help 2-3 times a week to make extra money. Those girls would damn near SPRINT from the taxi to the entrance to help because they didnt want to take the chance of being seen. They loved working in Help because they knew that regular brasilians would never go into help, so no chance of being seen by a neighbor or a co-worker. Those same girls can never work balcony because its too out in the open.
Yes, I agree. Help was a great venue for our hobby. I have yet to experience any post-Help action, since I was last there in Nov. 2009. Next week, I am due in Rio.
What is the status of the disco being built at the Meridien Hotel?
Azn Safado
08-17-10, 04:46
Coupon Monday
I always look forward to Mondays on my Rio trips more than any other day. It's one of the only times I ever go to Solarium. As they have raised prices, they have also lowered their discount for Mondays. It used to be a discount for the full price of a 40-minute cabine ($R70 at the time). Now it's only 50% off the price of the 40-minute cabine, which now comes out to $R40.
I figured 6:30p would be a good time to get there. By then, all the girls on every shift should be on duty. I hopped on the 512 bus from Ipanema Posto 6, which took 35 minutes to get to Jardim Botanico. Nowadays, I always take the bus to Solarium because frankly, everything is getting so expensive around here! If I take a cab, it will end up being probably $R35 round trip instead of $R4,70. As Hughdad once aptly put it, it's trimming the price of trim, and I'll do it anyway I can with coupons, cheap transportation, etc.
Once I got into the boite, there didn't seem to be that many girls. I don't know if it is because it is winter right now, or it's cold and rainy outside, but I think at its peak tonight, there were about 22 girls. Seems more like volume for a Sunday night. I thought there usually is closer to 40+ girls on weekdays there. One plus was, at 9:30p, there were 20 girls and only 5 guys in the boite, so a really good ratio. The downside was the atmosphere was kind of a dud. The lineup was good, but I wouldn't say as good as in the past. There were probably 3 girls I would definitely session with in the future, and a only a couple of others I would put on my reserve list.
I ended up taking Suzy to the cabine. I sessioned with her before and it was pretty memorable. She's tall, with dark hair and amazing green eyes. This session was very good (9/10). Of course I inquired about programma at my apartment and we kicked around some prices. She kept wanting $R300 for 1 hour, saying she has to travel far from work to my place so it would eat into her profits. I politely said I'd think about it, which means I ain't gonna do it. I guess logistically, it would be better for me to try to pull a Centaurus girl since she has no travel expenses to my apartment - it's only 2 blocks away! Ha.
So the damage for the night, with the new pricing structure was:
$R160 - girl
$R80 - cabine
$R70 - entrance
($R40) - cabine discount from coupon
Total $R270
Azn Safado
08-17-10, 18:18
i woke up early today to go to centro and hit some of the more affordable massagens on rio branco. i wanted to get there before 11a to hopefully see a full lineup at these places before the lunch rush hour. i took the subway metro to the carioca station exit. i arrived right at 11a.
these massage places are generally in the big office buildings and most seem to be on a floor that is not directly accessible by the main elevator. for instance, to get to suite 3320, you have to take the main elevator to floor 32 and then take a service elevator to floor 33.
so i started hitting these places in ascending order. felt a little like bruce lee in the "game of death" as he steadily went up each floor of the pagoda to meet his opponents.
rio branco 156
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mariana massagens (#1216)
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i was greeted by priscila, who was the only girl available. she said there are 3 other girls working but they would not arrive until noon. this is priscila:
http://www.espacoterapias.com.br/priscilaterapeuta/index.htm
based on gpguia.net, there's another fairly attractive girl geovana that works there but has gotten neutral reviews.
http://www.espacoterapias.com.br/geovana/index.htm
i told her i would come back, even though i wasn't going to. price would have been $r80 for 40 minutes.
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rio lux massagem (#1526)
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apparently, this is where some of the flavia massagens girls went. carla and duda are very popular on gpguia.net. i was greeted by duda. she was pretty cute. she said carla was occupied and the other 2 girls would arrive at noon. i told her i would come back later.
duda:
http://www.elliterio.com/veranuncio.php?a=168
carla:
http://www.elliterio.com/veranuncio.php?a=108
price would have been $r80 for 40 minutes.
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duda massagens (#3320)
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this place has been pretty good to me in the past. i think there are at least 8 girls usually working. today, at around 11:15a, they must have been very busy. i sat down to see a lineup but only 3 girls were available. they said there were no rooms available and to come back in 20 minutes. i took off.
price would have been $r85 for 40-minute room or $r95 for 40-minute "suite". a 1hr suite would be $r115.
rio branco 185
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bellas massagens (#725)
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i was greeted by the mamasan here. she had me sit in a small room with a bed. more like a stall with a sliding door, as it wasn't fully enclosed on top so you didn't really have full privacy. i wasn't too thrilled about that setup.
for the lineup, there were only 4 girls available. 2 fatties and 2 decent ones, with debora being fairly attractive. the lineup was kind of surprising because their website shows some girls with nice bodies. but we all know how that goes. i didn't like what i saw and told her i would come back. price would have been $r80 for 1 hour and $r60 for 30 minutes. maybe the 1 hour option gives you an enclosed room. the place seemed so small, so i'm not sure.
this is their website: http://www.bellasmassagens.com/
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feitico feminino (#729)
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same setup as bellas massagens. sat in a "stall" with a bed and saw the lineup. this one was pretty awful. 4 fatties and one decent one. price would have been $r65 for 40 minutes.
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bel prazer (#2114)
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my last stop was here. even during lunch hour, i was presented with a good lineup of about 8 girls. i think they have about 20 working. i opted for a 40-minute session for $r80 with drica. you pay upfront once you choose the girl.
the room i chose was nice and clean. it didn't have an ensuite shower since i chose the 40-minute one, so i took a shower in one of the bathrooms across the hall. this girl drica had a cute face and an awesome body, and that was about it. the session was a real dud. felt like tijuana style, kind of rushed. there was cbj and no kissing - the 2 kisses of death for me. so i got it all over with in 20 minutes, got dressed and left.
i had a good experience here before, so i'll definitely be back. i'll just chalk this one up as an aberration. i saw a few other girls that weren't presented in the lineup but were walking around to get ready to shag a customer that i would definitely choose next time.
as you can see, drica does have an awesome body:
http://www.belprazer.com/drica/drica.htm
Excellent work there Bruce Lee. It is kind of fun to go for a wander through Centro. Definitely can find some gems there, takes a bit of work, but is fun.
I have been to maybe 30 places in the last months, generally go to Centro once or twice a weeak and search out 2 or 3 new places, if I don't find something I go to a regular. Have found about 5 really cute girls that I have or intend to repeat. These girls would be among the top earners at the best zona sul termas if they worked there, I have been paying R$110 - $120 including entrada per session.
i woke up early today to go to centro and hit some of the more affordable massagens on rio branco. i wanted to get there before 11a to hopefully see a full lineup at these places before the lunch rush hour. i took the subway metro to the carioca station exit. i arrived right at 11a.
these massage places are generally in the big office buildings and most seem to be on a floor that is not directly accessible by the main elevator. for instance, to get to suite 3320, you have to take the main elevator to floor 32 and then take a service elevator to floor 33.
so i started hitting these places in ascending order. felt a little like bruce lee in the "game of death" as he steadily went up each floor of the pagoda to meet his opponents.
rio branco 156
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mariana massagens (#1216)
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i was greeted by priscila, who was the only girl available. she said there are 3 other girls working but they would not arrive until noon. this is priscila:
http://www.espacoterapias.com.br/priscilaterapeuta/index.htm
based on gpguia.net, there's another fairly attractive girl geovana that works there but has gotten neutral reviews.
http://www.espacoterapias.com.br/geovana/index.htm
i told her i would come back, even though i wasn't going to. price would have been $r80 for 40 minutes.woah those girls are pretty hot. do these girls do an actual oil massage or do you get straight to business? how are these places different from termas aside from the price?
Azn Safado
08-18-10, 05:29
Woah those girls are pretty hot. Do these girls do an actual oil massage or do you get straight to business? How are these places different from termas aside from the price?
No massage at all. Pretty much straight to some foreplay and sex.
In the Termas, you wear a robe and go into a "boite", which is like a bar area with extended sofas and all of the available girls are in their bikinis. In the boite, you can interact with them and usually make out with them before taking them back to a room. Conversely, in these "massage" places, you only get greeted by each available girl with a brief name introduction, and you take a leap of faith and pick one.
Eric Cartman
08-18-10, 08:03
No massage at all. Pretty much straight to some foreplay and sex.
In the Termas, you wear a robe and go into a "boite", which is like a bar area with extended sofas and all of the available girls are in their bikinis. In the boite, you can interact with them and usually make out with them before taking them back to a room. Conversely, in these "massage" places, you only get greeted by each available girl with a brief name introduction, and you take a leap of faith and pick one.
You are doing some great reports, Azn. Really good stuff to find back here on the forums.
-Cartman
I have a question about going from Rio - Salvador, so I hope this is the right forum. I will be in Rio in early November for several days, but I plan to go to Salvador for 4 days during that time (from Santos Dumont). I already have purchased my international ticket. However, should I buy the Rio-SSA ticket here (in London), or should I wait till I get to Rio on Sat 30th Nov, and then buy the domestic ticket for Monday Nov 1? I'm sure there will be more choice once I'm there, but I'm notsure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
I have a question about going from Rio - Salvador, so I hope this is the right forum. I will be in Rio in early November for several days, but I plan to go to Salvador for 4 days during that time (from Santos Dumont). I already have purchased my international ticket. However, should I buy the Rio-SSA ticket here (in London), or should I wait till I get to Rio on Sat 30th Nov, and then buy the domestic ticket for Monday Nov 1? I'm sure there will be more choice once I'm there, but I'm notsure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Tiradentes
08-21-10, 16:14
Hotel Intercontimental in Sao Conrado was invaded by gangs last night . They held all the guests and workers as hostages- including me.
Will file a report once the situation calms down. Pray for us.
Hotel Intercontimental in Sao Conrado was invaded by gangs last night . They held all the guests and workers as hostages- including me.
Will file a report once the situation calms down. Pray for us.
Nice to see how they prepare ... for the Olimpic games.....
I hope you are ok and waiting for your report
Randall Lozier
08-21-10, 18:22
I am thinking of going to Brazil for three months. Does anyone know of a place that rents monthly that does not cost a lot. I have been getting rates of us 1500 and up for a flat or one bedroom. I would like to find someone that could share a two or three bedroom apt. Or house in the Rio area or perhaps another city in Brazil. I keep hearing that Rio is dangereious.
Any thoughts on Fortaleza or south near the Uraguay border.
Randy
Exec Talent
08-21-10, 19:40
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lt_brazil_violence
This is the situation that Tiradentes mentioned below. For those not familiar with Rio, the Intercontinental Hotel is located near Rocinha, the largest favela in Rio. The hotel is very nice (I stayed there on one of my first visits to Rio) and because of its large meeting rooms often hosts professional conferences.
The police have been driving a lot of the violence out of the favelas and one has to wonder if this will mean more violence in tourist and normal residential areas.
Viajando2009
08-21-10, 19:57
I was hoping someone could help me out with information on how to get in touch with Brazilian porn stars. I have been several times and got "phone numbers" from abusa.com and some of the girls websites but the numbers don't seem to work. Can anyone help? I was trying to reach Pamela Butt, Fabiane Thompson Mayara Shelson among others.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Carlos Primeros
08-21-10, 21:14
Hi RegalSun,
there is a new airline in Brasil - AZUL - I flew just two weeks ago with them from Rio to Salvador for 140 BR one way incl. all taxes. Either buy it online or in Rio.
Carlos
Hi RegalSun,
There is a new airline in Brasil - AZUL - I flew just two weeks ago with them from Rio to Salvador for 140 BR one way incl. all taxes. Either buy it online or in Rio.
CarlosWe flew them Goiania to Brasilia back in June. Excellent service. A little prop plane 24 seater. Cheap and bought ticket day before departure. They even fly onward to Minacu. Hope AZUL expands into more smaller cities.
This all started at 8a. (This was one hell of a wake-up call.)
Amateur video captured the moments before the hotel was invaded. Many shots fired and even a grenade exploded.
Per news reports:
Apparently a group of drug traffickers came upon a police patrol. In their attempt to escape, about 15 bad guys took refuge in the Hotel. Ended up taking 35 people hostage. After 3 hrs of negotiation, the hostages were released and 10 people were taken into custody. One of the those detained is the dealer "Perninha," considered to be the second man in command of trafficking in Rocinha.
4 Police officers were injured. The dead woman, according to Security Secretary Beltrame, was involved with drug trafficking in Rochina and was wanted by police. Eight rifles and five pistols were recovered. A grenade was found in a condominium next to the hotel.
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2010/08/imagem-de-morador-mostra-acao-de-criminosos-em-sao-conrado.html
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2010/08/cabral-elogia-atuacao-da-policia-em-tiroteio-com-refem-em-sao-conrado.html
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2010/08/eles-prometiam-que-nao-ia-acontecer-nada-com-gente-diz-refem-em-hotel.html
Group Mug shot of the 10 Criminosos
As if a shoot out is not bad enough...
Rio's version of the Health Dept was inspecting Casa de Sucos "Big Bi," on Rua Barata Ribeiro, in Copacabana, on 8/20. They found pieces of cheese, turkey breast, sweets, cakes, refreshments and soft drinks being served with expired dates. People eating there became angry and threatened to harm the owners. The inspectors had to intervene so that the owners were not lynched. There are eight other Big Bi in Zona Sul, they all are going to be inspected.
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010/08/20/clientes-tentam-linchar-donos-de-casa-de-sucos-em-copacabana-por-causa-de-comida-vencida-917442544.asp
Azn Safado
08-22-10, 06:25
Thursday night I decided to give a couple of the smaller Centro termas a look. I hopped on the subway metro and got off at Uruguaiana station.
Termas 21
This one is pretty close to 4x4. Just walk down Rua Buenos Aires past 4x4, make a right on Rua Quitanda, then left on the next block at Rua do Rosario. Continuing on this block, you will pass a Rancho Inn and then see a small alley on the left. This terma is located in this alley at Beco das Cancelas, 21. There is a yellow canopy that says Club 21 at the front entrance.
Once you enter the place, you are handed a key like most of the other termas. There is a very small locker room where you get into a robe. On the same floor, there are some pretty decent facilities - wet sauna, showers, etc.
As for the boite itself, it is a rectangle room with sofas on both sides of the wall, very similar to Monte Carlo's setup. There's a stripper pole right smack in the middle of the room and a girl will randomly go up there and just slide up and down. When I got there at 6p, there were about 12 girls and 12 guys. I gotta say this place is as dark as hell. I could not really determine how good any of the girls looked from a distance.
I ended up staying for about 30 minutes. I talked to one girl that was pretty old and ugly. She was nice, so I bought her a couple of drinks and one for myself to consume my free drink limit. As for the girls, I'd say there as maybe one 8 and the rest were 6's or below in this place. I don't think I would ever come back here. Total damage: $R20.
Pricing structure:
Entry: $R20, includes 3 free drinks
40 mins: $R135
60 mins: $R160
Termas 81
This one is also pretty close to 4x4. Just walk down Rua Buenos Aires past 4x4, make a right on Rua Quitanda and go down a couple of blocks until you hit the address at Rua Quitanda 81. There will be a black canopy that says 81 at the entrance.
Once you enter the place, you are handed a drink card. The entry fee is good for 3 free drinks. You just enter the boite in your street clothes, ie, no changing into a robe. I guess it's similar to Termas 502.
The boite is also a rectangle room with sofas along the walls on both sides, except this room is a little smaller than Termas 21. The lighting was dark, but not as dark as Termas 21. At around 6:45p, there were 12 girls and 6 guys. It was really smoky in there. I could barely stand it. I bought one drink for myself, and one for some fatty that I talked to, who used to work at Termas Cancun. I would say there were a couple of more attractive girls here than Termas 21. There were 2 that I would consider sessioning with, but they were occupied. I ended up leaving after about 30 minutes. Would I ever return here? Maybe if it wasn't so smoky in there! It's a decent place to have a look to maybe find a gem and consume some drinks at a low cost. Total damage: $R10.
Pricing structure:
Entry: $R10, includes 3 free drinks
30 mins: $R70
40 mins: $R100
60 mins: $R130
Monte Carlo
After getting back to Ipanema and grabbing a bite to eat, I tried to figure out where to go next. Since I hadn't tried Monte Carlo yet on this trip, I figured I would give it a go. I think I also have enough points for a free entrance.
I got to MC at roughly 10p. I put my finger onto the scanner and they said I had over 700 points based on past expenditures, so I would get free entrance ($R70) for that night.
Once I got into the boite, I have to admit, the place had a bit better selection than I expected, as it has been really hit or miss the past few trips, more on the miss side. There were 40 girls and about 20 guys in the boite, and the atmosphere was quite lively. I'd say there were about five 8's, and maybe one 9 out of the bunch. The rest were pretty average.
After hanging out for an hour, I settled in with this little spinner named Lia. Very cute and petite. Not a good nor passionate kisser in the boite. Uh oh. Red flag there. I should have just released her right there. But I found her very attractive and was hoping that it would somehow get better in the cabine. I should have listened to my instincts. This girl was a major dud in the sack. Seemed very timid and inexperienced. She said she worked at Centaurus for about a month, and MC for a couple of months so I guess she really was inexperienced. Some girls just aren't cut out for this business, and she seemed like one of them. Anyway, I was lucky to finally get some wood about 10 minutes remaining and hurried and got it over with. This is the last time I take a bad kisser to the boite. No matter how attractive she is, the bad kissing never gets better in the cabine and usually comes with an unenthusiastic performer, at least from the couple of times I have made this mistake! Haha.
Total damage was $R240 + drinks:
Girl: $R170
Room: $R70
Entry: Free (due to bonus points).
Brazil Specialist
08-22-10, 09:14
I am thinking of going to Brazil for three months. Does anyone know of a place that rents monthly that does not cost a lot. I have been getting rates of us 1500 and up for a flat or one bedroom. I would like to find someone that could share a two or three bedroom apt. Or house in the Rio area or perhaps another city in Brazil. I keep hearing that Rio is dangereious.
Any thoughts on Fortaleza or south near the Uraguay border.
Randy
In South Zone in Rio, you have a hard time getting something for under R$ 1200 per month or so. Long term yearly rentals cost at least 400 to 600 Reais, but with condo fees, guarantor insurance, city tax you have a hard time staying under 1000. So your numbers are right. I occasionally rent to guests on a monthly basis, but have no intention to beat those prices, just you might get better internet, better service, personal attention. Send private message with your email&phone if interested.
There is a maior price difference for low and high season. High season is January to Carnival, about March. And July.
You might find better prices in Botafogo or Flamengo, Catete, downtown, much better prices in now pacified Zona Sul favelas or outlying areas where the girls live (they pay R$ 200-300 for a house), but you most likely would not want to do that (except Flamengo).
In other cities everything is cheaper, but not sure if you would find an apartment. I recently stayed in Porto Alegre in a decent plain hotel room for R$ 45 a day, could have gottten a dump for R$ 18 a day. Did not ask for weekly rates nor look for apartments. Should have written a report: lots of cheap aparment brothels to be found, and I believe higher class bars & termas are available.
Personally, I worry about potential key copies of apartments floating around. I was in Ilheus (not recommended for bad wh.oring and safety reasons) for about R$ 40 -50 a day in simple clean hotels.
Fortaleza is probably a good bet. Nice beach, good entertainment, nice apartments at decent prices. Not sure what is available for real cheap. Once you head into small towns, cheap poor area cities like Belem, Manaus, you proably get good pricing too.
I would have to write an entire book chapter about this, maybe you pm me with your phone number.
Brazil Specialist
08-22-10, 09:20
I have a question about going from Rio - Salvador, so I hope this is the right forum. I will be in Rio in early November for several days, but I plan to go to Salvador for 4 days during that time (from Santos Dumont). I already have purchased my international ticket. However, should I buy the Rio-SSA ticket here (in London), or should I wait till I get to Rio on Sat 30th Nov, and then buy the domestic ticket for Monday Nov 1? I'm sure there will be more choice once I'm there, but I'm notsure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Last moment tickets probably are not cheap. Neither are foreign bought tickets. But maybe a flight directly to Fortaleza, in a single ticket.
I would check Brazilian airline sites, but they are complicated, not sure if they accept international credit cards. www.voegol.com.br plus search for azul, Tam, webjet, etc. You also might have trouble if you lose the connection if your flight is late.
I get special offers from Gol, like half price, but that involves registration, and buying exactly on a Sunday when the Sale is on.
I would try: Brazilian Travel Agencies in the US (look for fliers, magazines, etc in consulate and Brazilian restaurants), Travel Agencies in Rio via phone ....
John Cricket
08-22-10, 11:10
Everybody safe following the São Conrado hotel invasion?
Termas 21
This one is pretty close to 4x4. Just walk down Rua Buenos Aires past 4x4, make a right on Rua Quitanda, then left on the next block at Rua do Rosario. Continuing on this block, you will pass a Rancho Inn and then see a small alley on the left. This terma is located in this alley at Beco das Cancelas, 21. There is a yellow canopy that says Club 21 at the front entrance.
Once you enter the place, you are handed a key like most of the other termas. There is a very small locker room where you get into a robe. On the same floor, there are some pretty decent facilities - wet sauna, showers, etc.
As for the boite itself, it is a rectangle room with sofas on both sides of the wall, very similar to Monte Carlo's setup. There's a stripper pole right smack in the middle of the room and a girl will randomly go up there and just slide up and down. When I got there at 6p, there were about 12 girls and 12 guys. I gotta say this place is as dark as hell. I could not really determine how good any of the girls looked from a distance.
I ended up staying for about 30 minutes. I talked to one girl that was pretty old and ugly. She was nice, so I bought her a couple of drinks and one for myself to consume my free drink limit. As for the girls, I'd say there as maybe one 8 and the rest were 6's or below in this place. I don't think I would ever come back here. Total damage: $R20.
Pricing structure:
Entry: $R20, includes 3 free drinks
40 mins: $R135
60 mins: $R160
I also went to 21 last week, was a monday hence very quiet. Theres an important tip for anybody, Monday sux as a centro terma run in the cheaper places - they are completely dead. Anyway went into T21 and robed up, there was 6 girls/things there. All below 5, just horrible creatures they were. Left after 1 beer.
Will try out 81 when next in centro.
My boots-on-the-ground reporter in Rio called me a few minutes ago with news that the word on the street is a new disco is opening somewhere between the Museo de Cine e Som and the Copacabana Palace Hotel, nearer to the hotel. Word is it will be bigger then HELP and will be open by October. I'll be in Rio next week for a 2 day recce run and see what I C. As with most things in Brasil/Rio, only time will tell.Let me know the details.
Randall Lozier
08-22-10, 23:54
I am going to POA for three months starting in December. Does anyone have monthly rental rates for this city. I am just looking for decent in a safe area. Also I would concider sharing a apartment or house to save a little money. I would hope that the rates in POA will be cheaper than in Rio. I am looking to spend in the $500 to $700 range. Is that possible?
Jamesbrown9
08-23-10, 07:31
Has there been a major price drop in ticket prices for a trip to Rio for anyone else since the hotel shooting? I pondering a first trip in October and with these lower prices I might man up and try visiting this country that seem oh so great.
I am going to POA for three months starting in December. Does anyone have monthly rental rates for this city. I am just looking for decent in a safe area. Also I would concider sharing a apartment or house to save a little money. I would hope that the rates in POA will be cheaper than in Rio. I am looking to spend in the $500 to $700 range. Is that possible?Can't send you a personal message for some reason, but I might be able to help you. Send me a note if you can.
Rioguest
I also went to 21 last week, was a monday hence very quiet. Theres an important tip for anybody, Monday sux as a centro terma run in the cheaper places - they are completely dead. Anyway went into T21 and robed up, there was 6 girls/things there. All below 5, just horrible creatures they were. Left after 1 beer.
Will try out 81 when next in centro.This one -- 81 -- has them imported fresh from Novo Iguacu. Young, although many single moms. Rooms, which I checked out, are too disgusting to do anything onsite.
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