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[AltoBomGosto]

My lady friend and I would like to do a trip to Brazil. (maybe one of many?) I am a veteran of the German FKK scene. She has been to a few clubs in Germany as well as coming with me to one trip in Thailand.

Would love some advice / pointers. If anyone is from the NYC area (most of the year), or is planning on being in Darmstaadt area or Paris in June to early July would be happy to chat in person. If you need any advice on NYC or Germany I'd be happy to share. Can possibly meet my friend and I in Paris.

Some info about us, some of it is probably obvious but some of it might be unusual:

We have never been to Brazil. We don't speak Portuguese. I'd like to bring a female friend of mine so I would like for her to be comfortable. She has been to German FKK clubs with me but our experiences haven't been that great as a couple in Germany as almost none of the girls in FKK clubs are really bisexual at all and enough of the working girls in FKK land give her bad looks so she is rather uninterested in going to the German FKK clubs. She is zero percent jealous and loves watching me fuck but if she isn't welcome in Brazillian Brothels then we need some fun and safe options for occupying her time when I am at the brothels. Maybe we would have luck bringing girls back to the hotel?.Good morning, many questions but I will try my best to answer.

Both SÃO Paulo and Rio are excellent towns to monger, I live in São Paulo and know better the São Paulo scene.

It's not difficult to get a bi sexual girl, but very few of them speak English.

So if you don't speak Portuguese it's going to be difficult and time consuming to find a real bi sexual girlfriend.

I take people to a tour to the best places were you can see and talk to the girls.

According to the ISG I cannot inform my whatsapp so please PM me for details.

ABG.

[MongerForSex]

My lady friend and I would like to do a trip to Brazil. (maybe one of many?) I am a veteran of the German FKK scene. She has been to a few clubs in Germany as well as coming with me to one trip in Thailand.

Would love some advice / pointers. If anyone is from the NYC area (most of the year), or is planning on being in Darmstaadt area or Paris in June to early July would be happy to chat in person. If you need any advice on NYC or Germany I'd be happy to share. Can possibly meet my friend and I in Paris.

Some info about us, some of it is probably obvious but some of it might be unusual:

We have never been to Brazil. We don't speak Portuguese. I'd like to bring a female friend of mine so I would like for her to be comfortable. She has been to German FKK clubs with me but our experiences haven't been that great as a couple in Germany as almost none of the girls in FKK clubs are really bisexual at all and enough of the working girls in FKK land give her bad looks so she is rather uninterested in going to the German FKK clubs. She is zero percent jealous and loves watching me fuck but if she isn't welcome in Brazillian Brothels then we need some fun and safe options for occupying her time when I am at the brothels. Maybe we would have luck bringing girls back to the hotel?

So for a Brazil trip I am concerned about her experience and her safety when I'm busy with any ladies. If we find some pretty bi girls that would be fantastic but not necessary. We both have a taste in skinny as well. Not sure Brazil would be the best for skinny but pretty is pretty. Looking over some of the photos in Brazil photos forum there are some skinnier girls which are within spec who I think I / we would enjoy.

I assume Sao Paolo and Rio are the best options based on the forum topic titles. We are thinking of going in January 2020 for up to a month. I imagine going during Carnival isn't necessary for our first trip and January would probably be nice and the prices would be higher in February?

Where do you recommend we stay? What would you budget for hotels? We prefer clean and comfortable but we don't need luxury. I usually stay in hotels in Germany which are about $50-$100 per night and in Phuket & Bangkok Thailand around $40-$70 a night to get an idea of what we have enjoyed in the past. She loved Thailand when we stayed their last year for 3 weeks, mostly Phuket.

What would you budget for the sex? In German FKK land I usually session for about 1-3 hours per day but when I've found someone really dynamite I've done longer, up to 5+ hours (this is rare). I've also on rare occasions not sessioned at all when I don't find anyone appealing; this usually only happens when I go to a FKK club which my German friend wanted to go to and when we don't share the same taste in girls. Probably done about 10 3 somes as well in FKK when I know at least one of the girls really well.

Do you think my friend and I will find action together? Or in Brazil will she be spending a lot of time by herself?

How much would you recommend budgeting for the ladies? For food etc?

Any must to tourist spots?

Do you recommend Sao Paolo or Rio or both or both +?

How would you generalize the human experience / chemistry between yourself and the working girls in Brazil versus the mainly Romanian experience in FKK land?

Do you guys do condom BJ in Brazil versus Europe or USA? Do you think the risk of STD contraction worse in Brazil?

What is the legality of sex work in Brazil and what does a mongerer need to know about the laws of the land?

How much cash are you guys comfortable carrying to and from "brothels". Any fear of money / possessions being taken from your hotel?

How safe do you feel in the places you frequent in Brazil.

How safe would my young lady friend who doesn't speak Portuguese feel?

Side note we both practice martial arts and will probably be looking into some BJJ (Brazilian Jiujitsu) academies while we are down there but I'm pretty sure the BJJ academies are easy to find.

Ill keep looking into the Brazil forums but I figure introducing myself a bit and asking some questions could be very helpful in getting the ball rolling. Again, happy to meet up in NYC, Paris or Darmstadt (or Frankfurt area) to discuss.

Thank you kindly for sharing your experience and wisdom.Cancun is the right place for you, Cancun (Manhattan) is the only terma in Rio de Janeiro allowing women. You can bring your girl there, you must go to Manhattan. Most girls are bisexuals and have no problem having sex with other girls. They get screend for std or other vaginal problems every month. http://www.clubcancun.com.br/.

You can also try Paris Cafe, It's a swing club, you can meet other couples but if you are only interested in meeting girls and not sharing your wife, you can also meet single women. http://pariscafe.com.br/..

If you plan to stay less than one month, hotels are the best option. Hotels are not as expensive as apartments for a short stay. Better facility and cleaning service. A good hotel starts from 130 reais per night for 2 people in the center. In Zona sul, you can find hotels from 160 reais per night for 2 people.

Brazil is not as dangerous as you think, but you should be careful like in every country.

As a dermatovenereologist living in Brazil, I would say the risk of std is different everywhere. HIV is epidemic in gay population (82 per cent of people living with HIV in Brazil are MSM) unlike Europe where HIV infect mainly gays and African immigrants that had heterosexual sex in Africa). Syphilis is epidemic in straight people living in poor rural areas and gay population in Brazil. Unlike Europe where syphilis is only epidemic in gay population. Chancroid, granuloma inguinal and Lymphogranuloma venereum that are commun in people living in poor rural areas in Brazil, those 3 stds are rare in Europe and the USA. Gonorrhea, Chlamydia in Brazil are as common as in Europe. HSV2 and HSV1 are also common and often asymptomatic, most people have HSV. HPV is also common but most of the time asymptomatic and can go on their own. It's useless to get screened for HPV and HSV if you have no symptom. (Genital warts or ulcers).

I never use condom when I get sucked. Oral sex is not as dangerous as unprotected anal and vaginal sex. Anal sex is the most dangerous for any sexual disease followed by vaginal sex. Getting uncovered blowjob is the same risk as kissing a girls. You can't get chlamydia from uncovered blowjob but still possible to get gonorrhea. Chancroid and granuloma inguinale are transmitted from unprotected vaginal sex. I have never seen primary syphilis ulcer in a oral mouth. Some of my patients with oral ulcers were all diagnosed with early or late latent syphilis so the ulcers were not caused by syphilis. HPV and HSV are the most common std, if you have hsv1 you are immune to hsv2. It's really rare to get hsv2 from BBBJ because oral area is not a place for hsv2 hepatitis is more often transmitted from blood and anal sex not from vaginal sex or blow job. You can't get hiv from oral sex and really difficult to catch hiv from vaginal sex.

There are many tourist spots. Copacana and Ipanema are good spots for tourists. Lapa is also good spot for tourists. In your hotel, they can help you what spot to visit.

Your lady will be as safe as you, if she is careful and don't go to empty places or dangerous areas. The danger is the same for you and your wife. Men can be in danger in Brazil as much as women. Brazilian men won't bother your lady because they are not pushy, to be honest, most of them won't pay attention to her because there are many hot women in Brazil. Some brazilians like gringas for benificial reasons, Brazil is not Dominical Republic or Africa.

Prostitution is legal in Brazil.

[NoTaWorry]

Cancun is the right place for you, Cancun (Manhattan) is the only terma in Rio de Janeiro allowing women. You can bring your girl there, you must go to Manhattan. Most girls are bisexuals and have no problem having sex with other girls. They get screend for std or other vaginal problems every month. http://www.clubcancun.com.br/.

You can also try Paris Cafe, It's a swing club, you can meet other couples but if you are only interested in meeting girls and not sharing your wife, you can also meet single women. http://pariscafe.com.br/..

If you plan to stay less than one month, hotels are the best option. Hotels are not as expensive as apartments for a short stay. Better facility and cleaning service. A good hotel starts from 130 reais per night for 2 people in the center. In Zona sul, you can find hotels from 160 reais per night for 2 people.

Brazil is not as dangerous as you think, but you should be careful like in every country.

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Prostitution is legal in Brazil.Thank you MongerforSex and AltoBomGosto for your quick responses.

Ill keep reading the forums. With MfS response (above) Rio sounds like a good place to start or perhaps stay the entire month. If we were going to stay for a month, what part of Rio do you recommend?

Is Airbnb a good option if we stay a month or do you think hotel would be better?

Oh, and I was talking to my lady friend. She has actually taken a year of Portuguese. She is also fluent in a few languages so maybe her skills will be useful on this trip. Any other places we should visit, or do you think we will be content in Rio for an entire month? We were happy with being in Phuket for almost 3 weeks.

[WyattEarp]

NoTaWorry, many of your questions are routinely discussed on the prominent Brazil threads (Rio and Sao Paulo). A little research allows you to form your own perspective and learn things you might not have known to ask. You should also research escorts who cater to couples. Some mention it in there web profiles whether on an escort site, personal blog and / or Twitter.

Yes, there are skinny girls in both cities even though Brazil is famous for curvy and thick girls. It's a large, diverse population so you can find almost any look that interests you. My opinion is that most of the skinny Brasileiras have some pop in their ass. This I don't think is a bad thing. I never hear anyone here ask if they have skinny girls with tiny, flat asses.

If you have a lot of time, you might want to check out Sao Paulo for a few days. Although mongerers love the offerings in Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo is not a good tourist city. The working girls and food are great. AltoBomGosto in SP armed with an objective could probably find you bisexual babes.

Your girlfriend would likely enjoy doing some sightseeing around Rio and staying near Copacabana Beach or Ipanema Beach. Depending on your budget, Ipanema is a little more expensive. Both areas, near each other, are a lot fun for tourists. I'm guessing your girlfriend likes to just be a couple when you two are alone. I find Ipanema to be a good couples spot to stay. Sunsets at the Arpoador rocks! Everything is just a little bit more upscale and Copa is very close.

Safety is always discussed. If you stay in a nice area, you and your girlfriend should be fine in the daytime. Nighttime in either city requires some precaution. This leads to lodging. I cannot imagine sharing a hotel room for a month. I personally would find an apartment/condo rental with periodic cleaning. While not as popular as Carnival season, January is prime season. I would also think in an AirBnB you would have more freedom with guests. While some hotels are fine with a single man bringing a female guest, I don't know if they would charge a fee or hassle a third person going up to the room. So if you find a good female bisexual performer, definitely get her digits and invite her over

Just like everywhere world, look for a Gracie BJJ Academy near your lodging. Rio is the birthplace of BJJ and the Gracie empire. Perhaps you'll get a glimpse of an up and coming UFC fighter. Perhaps you will find an attractive, bisexual BJJ woman. Just sayin'.

[MongerForSex]

Thank you MongerforSex and AltoBomGosto for your quick responses.

Ill keep reading the forums. With MfS response (above) Rio sounds like a good place to start or perhaps stay the entire month. If we were going to stay for a month, what part of Rio do you recommend?

Is Airbnb a good option if we stay a month or do you think hotel would be better?

Oh, and I was talking to my lady friend. She has actually taken a year of Portuguese. She is also fluent in a few languages so maybe her skills will be useful on this trip. Any other places we should visit, or do you think we will be content in Rio for an entire month? We were happy with being in Phuket for almost 3 weeks.Both cities are good. But personally, I prefer Sao Paulo over Rio de Janeiro when it comes to working girls and nightlife activities. Food is better in Sao paulo. More diverse (people of different ethnicity). Rio de Janeiro is also a good city to monger, Rio de Jeneiro is better than SP when it comes to daytime activities and touristic spots. Two weeks is enough to visit the main touristic spots in Rio de Janeiro. Because it's your first time in Brazil I would say you should do both (Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo). Two weeks in Rio de Janeiro and two weeks in Sao Paulo. When I travel, I prefer to stay in a hotel, it's more comfortable and better facility and service. Some hotels accept guests without additional fee, some with additional fee and some don't accept. That's why you should see the policy of every hotel. You can also find an apparthotel. It's an appartment with the same service as in a hotel.

You can contact AltoBomGosto when you travel to Sao Paulo in January. It's not difficult to find bisexual women in Brazil.

[Jan 156]

Rio sounds like a good place to start or perhaps stay the entire month. If we were going to stay for a month, what part of Rio do you recommend?

Is Airbnb a good option if we stay a month or do you think hotel would be better?

Oh, and I was talking to my lady friend. She has actually taken a year of Portuguese. She is also fluent in a few languages so maybe her skills will be useful on this trip. Any other places we should visit, or do you think we will be content in Rio for an entire month? We were happy with being in Phuket for almost 3 weeks.Rio and SP are very different cities in almost every possible way. I'll add my own descriptions as I love both cities.

There is plenty to do in Rio for a month. It's a party and beach city, with adequate mongering and arts facilities, and lots of tourist attractions. You will want to stay anywhere in the southern half of the city. Ipanema and Leblon are upmarket but a longer distance from other districts. Copacabana is a bit crazier and closer to downtown. Botafogo is one stop further to downtown and a cultured choice (good arts, cuisine) and a short metro or bus ride to the Copacabana or Leme beaches. Avoid outlying Barra de Tijuca as it's too far away and there's been additional problems with transport there recently.

Sao Paulo has no beach but well-structured, good value mongering and also some of the best cuisine in the world. It is more business-orientated and 'westernised' than Rio, large infrastructure, biggest city in the southern hemisphere. Travelling distances within the city can be considerable. People are very polite. It is not tourist-orientated and not so easy to navigate at first so many mongers take advantage of ABG's guide service (for which I understand he charges a small fee, though I've never met him). The 'Times Square' area of SP is Avenida Paulista and a good place to stay with access to everything. The downtown area, as with Rio, is a bit scruffier. There are several attractive areas within reach of Paulista, such as trendier upmarket nightlife and Bohemian, sophisticated dining and art places such as Vila Madalena. A map of the sort of places you want to go (eg mongering) may help you pick a place to stay. Bear in mind the area near Paulista is hilly in many places so when staying there it's best to be within a block of the main strip.

I use both AirBnB and hotels in both cities. Hotels give you at least someone on hand if you have questions about things but AirBnB can save money and give you a whole apartment and added privacy. Finding somewhere reasonably near a metro can make life easier for a first visit. (In SP, buy a Bilhete Unico card -- gives you hassle-free, queue-free, ticketless entrance to Metro, buses, trains. Although taxis are not expensive, there are times when the Metro makes sense. The bus services are also excellent.).

Finally, important, as a first visitor, it really helps if you learn the Brasilian way of doing things. Greet everyone with a 'Bom DIA' (good morning) even in shops and cafes. Follow with a 'Tudo bem?' (how are you?) before getting into conversation. Brasilians are mostly softly spoken and avoid arguments -- try not to make the American faux pas of talking too much, too loudly, or assuming you know how things are or should be -- the culture is entirely different. Never try to outsmart Brasilians -- they will see it coming and run rings round you.

I think you will not need to go beyond SP and Rio. But there are excursions such as Ubatuba and Santos from SP, Paraty from SP or Rio. Rio has more than enough undiscovered gems of its own but for something special you could do an excursion north (short flight) towards Bahia.

[Jan 156]

Just to reply to some of your other questions -.


How would you generalize the human experience / chemistry between yourself and the working girls in Brazil versus the mainly Romanian experience in FKK land?There is little comparison. Although it is hard to generalise over such a large population, Brasilian working girls will tend to engage more emotionally, whereas I find FKK girls can seem rather clinical and impersonal.


What is the legality of sex work in Brazil and what does a mongerer need to know about the laws of the land?It's legal.


How much cash are you guys comfortable carrying to and from "brothels". Any fear of money / possessions being taken from your hotel?The big termas are generally very safe, and also the clinicas in SP and Rio. You'll generally get a personal locker with a key or instance. But the general rule in Brazil is only carry what you need for that time, whether money, credit cards, ipad or phones (I. E. Until you are back to your hotel or apartment). *Especially on the beach. * You are very safe in upmarket areas like Avenida Paulista (SP) and upmarket venues. Elsewhere you should exercise 360 degree awareness as a matter of course. Take a camera when you need to take a camera and if unsure, keep it as inconspicuous as possible. That sort of thing. Doing that lets you relax until you know the areas. Many cariocas (Rio residents) will carry small notes in one pocket and larger notes in a less obvious pocket. But everyone has their own security zone. Most people will never have any trouble. It's just how well prepared you want to be in case you are one of the ones that could be unlucky. (By the way, ju-jitsu might be great, but not if someone has a gun.) Stay away from demonstrations and check local updates or warnings (there's been problems recently with weather, a collapsed bridge etc) but they're big cities and small incidents in one area get disproportionate news.


How safe do you feel in the places you frequent in Brazil.Very. Though I don't wander into favelas as I used to. You feel safer when you know the place, same as most countries! Enjoy.

[NoTaWorry]

Just to reply to some of your other questions -.
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(By the way, ju-jitsu might be great, but not if someone has a gun.)
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You feel safer when you know the place, same as most countries! Enjoy.Thank you Jan for the tips.

BJJ is SPORT martial arts, great for working out and meeting fit people. I agree, BJJ Has little use with multiple opponents or with weapons of any kind. Best way to survive conflict is to avoid it. Hence the safety questions.

My friend mentioned she appreciated the cultural advice.


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Finally, important, as a first visitor, it really helps if you learn the Brasilian way of doing things. Greet everyone with a 'Bom DIA' (good morning) even in shops and cafes. Follow with a 'Tudo bem?' (how are you?) before getting into conversation. Brasilians are mostly softly spoken and avoid arguments -- try not to make the American faux pas of talking too much, too loudly, or assuming you know how things are or should be -- the culture is entirely different. Never try to outsmart Brasilians -- they will see it coming and run rings round you.
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[NoTaWorry]

NoTaWorry, many of your questions are routinely discussed on the prominent Brazil threads (Rio and Sao Paulo). A little research allows you to form your own perspective and learn things you might not have known to ask.
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Just like everywhere world, look for a Gracie BJJ Academy near your lodging. Rio is the birthplace of BJJ and the Gracie empire. Perhaps you'll get a glimpse of an up and coming UFC fighter. Perhaps you will find an attractive, bisexual BJJ woman. Just sayin'.Hey Wyatt,

Thanks for the information. I am a veteran of the board, mostly for FKK land. I am slowly looking through the Brazil threads, as I believe I mentioned in the first post, but having some generous informed answers in one spot helps with the initial planning and on getting the ball rolling. I think other newbies to Brazil may find the info helpful as well. So thanks for chiming in.

In Thailand I hit it off with a former UFC competitor at one of the local academies. We hung out a few times and practiced on the matt together. Unfortunately he's a 280 lb + guy and not a sub 120 lb girl. My friend did get a little crush on a cute petite BJJ competitor but nothing ever came of it. So yes maybe we will get luckier this trip. However with the PayforPlay options luck ultimately shouldn't be necessary. Thanks again!

[WyattEarp]

I think you will not need to go beyond SP and Rio. But there are excursions such as Ubatuba and Santos from SP, Paraty from SP or Rio. Rio has more than enough undiscovered gems of its own but for something special you could do an excursion north (short flight) towards Bahia.That reminds me. The Búzios peninsula is a world-class tourist destination. You can take a cheap, non-private shuttle there from Rio. The peninsula has all sorts of fingers with many different beaches. It's good for a couple not for mongering. I once brought a Rio pro that I had befriended over a few visits. She loved it.

Armação dos Búzios is the town and you'll find the most nightlife and restaurants there. You can stay on one of the beaches and take a cheap, private bus to Armação dos Búzios for the evening. They stop anywhere and everywhere. I'm sure there is Uber there now. There are also booze cruises.

[Sperto]

I don't want to clutter the São Paulo thread so I write here.

Regarding the color of the brazilian women. As mentioned Brazil is extremely mixed. Native indians, immigrants from Europe, Asia and the Middle-East. A mixture of all these and that's Brazil.

If you want to meet really dark girls, Bahia is the place to go to. The biggest chance of meeting real blond girls with blue eyes is in the south. Indian girls you'll find a lot in Amazonas, Acre, Rondonia, Roraima and Pará. If you want to find chubby girls, without necks and large squared heads you should go to Ceará. Each region, or state, have their typical population. I've travelled in all the brazilian states and can often guess right where the girls from.

I have no special colour of the girls that's my favourite. It depends of my mood what I want to f*ck, but propably the majority are morenas. Since I went to Brazil the first time in 1991 I've been keeping a f*ck-book where I note name, contact information, details about tit-size, ass-size, performance details about BJ, CIM, anal and a lot of other details. This little book have been very useful when I return to a city and want to refresh the memory about a girl before I decide if she's worth meeting again. Anyway, in this f*ck-book I also write a note about the colour/race of the girl. Branca, morena clara, morena escura, mulata, negra, india etc. Are half ot these girls noted "white"? No. What might be correctly considered "white" I rather think of as paraibana, cearensa, maranhense etc.

The statistics say that about 47% of the brazilians are white. Of course a large part of these whites are a mixture of white and coloured people. Are there a lot of white girls in Brazil? Yes, there are. Are there a lot of white girls in Brazil that looks like German or Scandinavian girls? Not many, mainly in the south. What about the North-East, are there no whites? Of course there are plenty of them, white girls with nordestino features.

I've never met anybody who wanted to go to Brazil to specifically f*ck white girls. You go there to f*ck brazilian girls. They might have black, brown och white skin.

[Larry David]

Some guys don't like cafe com leite or chocolate. If a glass of milk is your only thing then don't come. Until the tourism board gives me a paid contract, I see no need to promote Brazil to guys who only want vanilla.

[Sperto]

Sorry, I forgot the african slaves influence in my post below. If there were no african influence the brazilian women would be pink with cú-de-sapo and floppy tits.

[MongerForSex]

I don't want to clutter the So Paulo thread so I write here.

Regarding the color of the brazilian women. As mentioned Brazil is extremely mixed. Native indians, immigrants from Europe, Asia and the Middle-East. A mixture of all these and that's Brazil.

If you want to meet really dark girls, Bahia is the place to go to. The biggest chance of meeting real blond girls with blue eyes is in the south. Indian girls you'll find a lot in Amazonas, Acre, Rondonia, Roraima and Par. If you want to find chubby girls, without necks and large squared heads you should go to Cear. Each region, or state, have their typical population. I've travelled in all the brazilian states and can often guess right where the girls from.

I have no special colour of the girls that's my favourite. It depends of my mood what I want to f*ck, but propably the majority are morenas. Since I went to Brazil the first time in 1991 I've been keeping a f*ck-book where I note name, contact information, details about tit-size, ass-size, performance details about BJ, CIM, anal and a lot of other details. This little book have been very useful when I return to a city and want to refresh the memory about a girl before I decide if she's worth meeting again. Anyway, in this f*ck-book I also write a note about the colour/race of the girl. Branca, morena clara, morena escura, mulata, negra, india etc. Are half ot these girls noted "white"? No. What might be correctly considered "white" I rather think of as paraibana, cearensa, maranhense etc.

The statistics say that about 47% of the brazilians are white. Of course a large part of these whites are a mixture of white and coloured people. Are there a lot of white girls in Brazil? Yes, there are. Are there a lot of white girls in Brazil that looks like German or Scandinavian girls? Not many, mainly in the south. What about the North-East, are there no whites? Of course there are plenty of them, white girls with nordestino features.

I've never met anybody who wanted to go to Brazil to specifically f*ck white girls. You go there to f*ck brazilian girls. They might have black, brown och white skin.I would say most White Brazilians are spanish or portuguese looking. German looking people are not hard to find in Brazil. All depends on the state you go to.

Thank you for confirming, your explanation, sharing accurate information on races in Brazil and your experience in Brazil.

[Sperto]

German looking people are not hard to find in Brazil.
No comment about that. I've f*cked my share of German girls, but never found them very attractive.
However there used to be a German girl girl working in one of the privées in Rio. Sabrina, I think was her working name. Very popular on Gpguia. I met her once in a presentation. Tall girls, large tits and a funny accent. I got impressed by her tit-size. Lucklily I got to feel the tits before deciding, very soft. No session.

[Rio Bob]

Since I went to Brazil the first time in 1991 Long time ago before the internet for the most part. Just curious were you aware of the scene with the girls before you went the first time or did you learn when you arrived? What was your motivation for going the first time?

I also went a long time ago for first time before the internet and of course I went to meet girls but I had no idea about the openness of the GDP situation and really didn't learn about it until a subsequent trip and once I did I found my place in the universe LOL.

[Sperto]

Long time ago before the internet for the most part. Just curious were you aware of the scene with the girls before you went the first time or did you learn when you arrived? What was your motivation for going the first time?

I also went a long time ago for first time before the internet and of course I went to meet girls but I had no idea about the openness of the GDP situation and really didn't learn about it until a subsequent trip and once I did I found my place in the universe LOL.
When I went the first time to Rio I went for a 15 months trip in Latin-America, after finishing my university studies. Brazil was my favourite country (followed by Colombia). I had read about Help, but I didn't know what to expect. I went to Help the first evening in Rio and brought a girl back to Hotel Biarritz. I asked her numerous times if she was a prostitute, as I thought no way i was going to f*ck a prostitute. After spending a week together she told me that she worked at Monte Carlo.

The first 6 years I went to Brazil I never payed for sex but enjoyed many nice Help-girls for free. In 1997 I "grew up" and understood that a combination of non-pro's and pro's were the best combination. The first time I payed for a girl was a stunner at Help that I just needed to f*ck. It cost R$35/all night.

I knew about termas etc as they had ads in the Rio-brochures handed out to arriving tourists at Galeao.

[Rio Bob]

I knew about termas etc as they had ads in the Rio-brochures handed out to arriving tourists at Galeao.I'm seriously thinking about getting these shoes.

https://mgemi.com/products/the-esperto-burnished-modern-bluchers-chestnut-leather

[SAS40]

Curious; massageplaces like Copa 583. Are they brothels where you just fuck for an hour? Or are they actually massages where you can get a sort of happy ending; blow / handjob?

Ot do you negotiate everything with the girl / massagista in the room?

[Rio Bob]

Curious; massageplaces like Copa 583. Are they brothels where you just fuck for an hour? Or are they actually massages where you can get a sort of happy ending; blow / handjob?

Ot do you negotiate everything with the girl / massagista in the room?I have been to this place a few times. First time I wasn't sure exactly so we did an hour and first 1/2 hour she gave me a massage but felt like a phony massage then 2nd half hour sex was performed but didn't have to ask it's all part of the deal. On subsequent visits I never bothered with the massage just went right to the sex. I guess they use the word massage just as a false front buts it's just another brothel.

[SAS40]

I have been to this place a few times. First time I wasn't sure exactly so we did an hour and first 1/2 hour she gave me a massage but felt like a phony massage then 2nd half hour sex was performed but didn't have to ask it's all part of the deal. On subsequent visits I never bothered with the massage just went right to the sex. I guess they use the word massage just as a false front buts it's just another brothel.Ok, thanks!

Can't really understand why they try so hard to make it look like a pro massageplace in a land where brothels are legal. LOL.

[Sperto]

Ok, thanks!
Can't really understand why they try so hard to make it look like a pro massageplace in a land where brothels are legal. LOL.
Incorrect. Brothels are illegal in Brazil, even though prostitution is legal. Sexual exploration, employing sex workers isn't allowed.

As brothels are illegal many puteiros are very anonymous, often just a "Welcome-doormat" outside the entrance. The girls being presented are often dressed in white coats like they actually worked as masseuses. In the cabin/rooms there are often signs on the doors telling that it's illegal to have sex in the rooms.

[SAS40]

Incorrect. Brothels are illegal in Brazil, even though prostitution is legal. Sexual exploration, employing sex workers isn't allowed.

As brothels are illegal many puteiros are very anonymous, often just a "Welcome-doormat" outside the entrance. The girls being presented are often dressed in white coats like they actually worked as masseuses. In the cabin/rooms there are often signs on the doors telling that it's illegal to have sex in the rooms.OK, stand corrected. Make sense then.

[Exec Talent]

ReachKp31 is going to be in São Paulo starting on June 21.

He is new to the forum but paid for a subscription and filed a nice report after his visit to Mexico. In other words, he did it right.

Maybe some of you São Paulo experts could show him a little love.

[Mangera]

Incorrect. Brothels are illegal in Brazil, even though prostitution is legal. Sexual exploration, employing sex workers isn't allowed.

As brothels are illegal many puteiros are very anonymous, often just a "Welcome-doormat" outside the entrance. The girls being presented are often dressed in white coats like they actually worked as masseuses. In the cabin/rooms there are often signs on the doors telling that it's illegal to have sex in the rooms.I actually saw this type of sign displayed on the wall, inside a cabina in 4 x4 about 12 years ago. I bursted out laughing in the middle of a BJ! She was like WTF? Like a fish out of water. Ofcourse, I had to explain.

[ReachKp31]

Thanks Exec Talent. Friends, totally new to the Brazil scene. Seems like RIO has more action / value for money than So Paulo? Appreciate recommendations what neighborhoods / hotels are best to stay around to monger (Does bigger hotel chains like Marriotts allow Chica's? Have zero Portuguese. So need to stick with google translator. Or better yet Casa with standard Menu). Considering staying next 2 weekends in RIO and Fly to So Paulo during the week for work and mongering in So Paulo during evenings.


ReachKp31 is going to be in So Paulo starting on June 21.

He is new to the forum but paid for a subscription and filed a nice report after his visit to Mexico. In other words, he did it right.

Maybe some of you So Paulo experts could show him a little love.

[MongerForSex]

If anyone wants to go on about AIDS in Brazil, please go to the General thread when it comes to AIDS in Brazil or safe sex thread when it comes to transmission instead of Sao Paulo thread.

[Sperto]

If anyone wants to go on about AIDS in Brazil, please go to the General thread when it comes to AIDS in Brazil or safe sex thread when it comes to transmission instead of Sao Paulo thread.Or even try the proper thread "Safe Sex in Brazil".

[Sperto]

Or even try the proper thread "Safe Sex in Brazil".Sorry, I must be blind. :)

[Safado69]

Thanks Exec Talent. Friends, totally new to the Brazil scene. Seems like RIO has more action / value for money than So Paulo? Appreciate recommendations what neighborhoods / hotels are best to stay around to monger (Does bigger hotel chains like Marriotts allow Chica's? Have zero Portuguese. So need to stick with google translator. Or better yet Casa with standard Menu). Considering staying next 2 weekends in RIO and Fly to So Paulo during the week for work and mongering in So Paulo during evenings.Sao Paulo has tons of options the chicks follow the money but if you are planning your weekends in Rio note that the Centro options are limited. The major termas (Tier 1 and Tier 2) are closed and a few clinicas may be open. Best to stay in Zona Sul / Copacabana. You will have access to a few clinicas / prives (Copa583 highly recommended here, Delirio Oriental, Edenspa) on Saturday (closed Sunday), termas (Monte Carlo, Centaurus and Solarium is not too far but all are closed on Sunday) and the other hit or miss spots like Mabs, Dolce Vita, Sensoo, Barbarellas, Casablanca, Kalabria etc open every day but I personally am not a fan.

Hotels you are partially correct the girl friendly hotels are Marriott and Hilton but check out Pestana and Rio Porto Bay much cheaper and better value in my opinion and right on the beach too. English will be no problem in a tourist area like Copa. Good luck.

Best regards.

[WyattEarp]

Safado69 is giving good advice. I personally love Copacabana and Ipanema beaches on the weekend. Not so much from a mongering perspective, but as a chance to enjoy eye candy and maybe flirt some with the locals.

Termas 4 x 4 is a personal favorite. If you can wind up in centro Rio Friday by late afternoon, Termas 4 x4 is worth the visit. I seem to remember people have checked luggage there on their way to or back from the airport, but I'm not sure. Friday also gives you a good shot to make a connection and get a good performer to come to your hotel or apartment on the weekend. The 4 x 4 girls don't work weekends and can be interested in making some side cash.

[ShawMan74]

Ahhh I just have to chime in here, I LOVE Brazil, and brazilian girls absolutely have my heart. Rio was stupid good. I'm adventuring on the other side of the world this summer, just to give europe a chance. But so far, Brazil still has it for me. And I haven't even been to sao paulo yet LOL!

[Exec Talent]

Friday also gives you a good shot to make a connection and get a good performer to come to your hotel or apartment on the weekend. The 4 x 4 girls don't work weekends and can be interested in making some side cash.For a termas girl, the options are go home to a crowded house with the family and not make any money or spend some time with a gringo in a decent hotel and make a few dollars. The other option is to spend the night with a local friend and try to score a gringo at Mabs or one of the other clubs. You can tip the scale in your favor simply by being a nice guy. Over the years I have heard guys complain that girls stood them up. Well, I can tell you where they were and it was not because I offered them more money. Guys who treat women like prostitutes or sperm depositories get that in return.

Now, being nice does not mean being stupid and throwing money around. It is however, recognizing that women have a choice, even when money is involved, and you want to give them a reason to chose you. The way you know you have done it right is when she originally told you she had to leave first thing in the morning and ends up leaving late in the afternoon. Never say how long you are going to be in Brazil and trust that the GDP Network will spread your reputation, good or bad, far and wide.

[MongerForSex]

Thanks Exec Talent. Friends, totally new to the Brazil scene. Seems like RIO has more action / value for money than So Paulo? Appreciate recommendations what neighborhoods / hotels are best to stay around to monger (Does bigger hotel chains like Marriotts allow Chica's? Have zero Portuguese. So need to stick with google translator. Or better yet Casa with standard Menu). Considering staying next 2 weekends in RIO and Fly to So Paulo during the week for work and mongering in So Paulo during evenings.You can also try Mosaic in zona norte next to vila mimosa (open every day) or paris cafe and perola negra in Recreio (closed on Sunday).

[Exec Talent]

As I was thinking of essential things about Brazil that I wish I had known during my first visit, one thing in particular came to mind.

How to say no, particularly to street vendors.

Brazilians use their index finger, moving it back and forth. No need to say anything, just look in the direction of the vendor and move your index finger from side to side.

For someone who doesn't speak Portuguese, it also could be used jokingly in the termas to tell a girl no Red Bull and Vodka for you (or your friends). BTW, since Rs are pronounced like Hs in Portuguese and DS often pronounced like gee, it is Heggy or Heggee Bull.

[WyattEarp]

For a termas girl, the options are go home to a crowded house with the family and not make any money or spend some time with a gringo in a decent hotel and make a few dollars. The other option is to spend the night with a local friend and try to score a gringo at Mabs or one of the other clubs. You can tip the scale in your favor simply by being a nice guy. Over the years I have heard guys complain that girls stood them up. Well, I can tell you where they were and it was not because I offered them more money. Guys who treat women like prostitutes or sperm depositories get that in return.Very well said. I have had good success in getting termas girls to keep their appointments. Let's say 80%-85%. Over the years, I've noticed 4 x4 girls seem very flexible on Friday and will come right after closing. I guess you can say it's striking while the iron is hot. Trying to get a girl to come a day or two later always adds a risk of miscommunication and flaking. And yes, I've had termas girls show up two hours late for afternoon appointments. Call it termas girl time. If you don't get upset with her, it won't affect her performance.

Having said all that, even if the girl has called and said she's on her way be prepared for a no show. Just have an idea that you'll head to a mongering venue in that event.

[Exec Talent]

From the Reports Thread:


Perhaps we need a new thread for Rio de Janerio Travels instead of posting unrelated "Reports" topics.Right. Posts like yours are just clutter and should not be in the Rio de Janeiro Reports Thread.

[MiamiSammy]

Ahhh I just have to chime in here, I LOVE Brazil, and brazilian girls absolutely have my heart. Rio was stupid good. I'm adventuring on the other side of the world this summer, just to give europe a chance. But so far, Brazil still has it for me. And I haven't even been to sao paulo yet LOL!I have to admit I'm a bit intimidated by the size of Brazil. Have you been to Medellin? If so, you'd still rate Rio as best mongering?

[Mr Enternational]

I have to admit I'm a bit intimidated by the size of Brazil. Have you been to Medellin? If so, you'd still rate Rio as best mongering?I like both. But if you have ever been with a Brazilian hooker, you would not mention a Colombian hooker in the same sentence. Brazilian hookers take pride in their work and customer satisfaction is their motto. Not sure what the size of Brazil has to do with anything. Wherever you go you take 1 step at a time.

[Java Man]

I have to admit I'm a bit intimidated by the size of Brazil. Have you been to Medellin? If so, you'd still rate Rio as best mongering?Yes, Better mongering in Rio. More Bang for the buck. And More places vs Medellin. Rio also has Beaches.

[AltoBomGosto]

I have to admit I'm a bit intimidated by the size of Brazil. Have you been to Medellin? If so, you'd still rate Rio as best mongering?IMO São Paulo must also be visited.

ABG.

[WyattEarp]

Yes, Better mongering in Rio. More Bang for the buck. And More places vs Medellin. Rio also has Beaches.As a top tourist destination, Rio is also cosmopolitan.

[WyattEarp]

Not sure what the size of Brazil has to do with anything. Wherever you go you take 1 step at a time.Exactly. I recommend flying to Brazil versus driving, walking or kayaking. Your first step should be off the airplane in Rio.

[AltoBomGosto]

ReachKp31 is going to be in So Paulo starting on June 21.

He is new to the forum but paid for a subscription and filed a nice report after his visit to Mexico. In other words, he did it right.

Maybe some of you So Paulo experts could show him a little love.I'll be glad to help him, please PM me for details.

ABG.

[Member #4673]

I went today to Claro official shop in Fortaleza and they refused to sell me SIM card with my passport. They ask local ID which obviously I don't have.

Any idea?

[Kcrl01]

I went today to Claro official shop in Fortaleza and they refused to sell me SIM card with my passport. They ask local ID which obviously I don't have.

Any idea?You need a CPF (it functions as a Brazilian Social Security card), a Brazilian friend if you have any might let you use their's. You can get one on line at:

https://www.ccfacil.com.br/?parceiroid=3&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6cHoBRDdARIsADiTTzZc6CC_YAUHQFk27ZnTf8zMvYmc1bd9XJCBpcoFn3-vCx3eXsosnRkaApptEALw_wcB

If all else fails, inbox me and you can use mine! Cheers!

[Member #4673]

You need a CPF (it functions as a Brazilian Social Security card), a Brazilian friend if you have any might let you use their's. You can get one on line at:

https://www.ccfacil.com.br/?parceiroid=3&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6cHoBRDdARIsADiTTzZc6CC_YAUHQFk27ZnTf8zMvYmc1bd9XJCBpcoFn3-vCx3eXsosnRkaApptEALw_wcB

If all else fails, inbox me and you can use mine! Cheers!I got SIM card without CPF at one of the CLARO shops here https://goo.gl/maps/LtA6VDn8snWj52oY9.

Monthly 3 GB data bundle plus the SIM at 30 R$. It was a nightmare to find that specific shop after several attempts from other Claro / TIM in the same city.

[Exec Talent]

Heard some rumblings in another thread devoted to providing Rio de Janeiro Reports that investors in apartments should buy when the market is down and sell when it is up.

Knowing when to hold them and when to fold them also might apply as well as keep an eye on exchange rates. Sell when you get more bang for your buck, euro, yen etc.

[WyattEarp]

Heard some rumblings in another thread devoted to providing Rio de Janeiro Reports that investors in apartments should buy when the market is down and sell when it is up.

Knowing when to hold them and when to fold them also might apply as well as keep an eye on exchange rates. Sell when you get more bang for your buck, euro, yen etc.In my MBA program, there was a guy named Charlie that was good for comments like buy low-sell high.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[MongerForSex]

Buying a property in Brazil is still interesting, no need to speak portuguese or know how to find an address to buy an apartment. People speak English in real estate agencies, thanks to GPS, you can find a address.

Brazil is not only limited to Zona sul. For example, it's more interesting to buy an appartment in Barra than Zona Sul.

Many people try to sell their property in Zona sul but can't sell. Because of the price, many brazilians are no more interested in buying in zona sul. Brazil is no more the host of world cup or any game. Economy is no more like before.

I hate zona sul, dirty beach, touristic etc.

[Java Man]

buy an appartment in Barra than Zona Sul. I hate zona sul, dirty beach, touristic etc.Still Dirty and contaminated. The beach by Barra also dirty. Only clean beach is Praia da Reserva, in Recreio. Tourist?! That's Most of Us Here. I resemble That Remark! LOL.

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/analises-revelam-que-areia-de-praias-do-rio-estao-contaminadas-23774457

[MongerForSex]

Still Dirty and contaminated. The beach by Barra also dirty. Only clean beach is Praia da Reserva, in Recreio. Tourist?! That's Most of Us Here. I resemble That Remark! LOL.

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/analises-revelam-que-areia-de-praias-do-rio-estao-contaminadas-23774457Beach in Barra is still better than zona sul. , you say beach in Barra is dirty, you know beach in Barra is bigger. I still prefer beach in Barra over zona sul.

Apartments in zona sul are more expensive and old with no better facility than apartments in Barra. I live in a very safe area. I live in Barra and opposite the beach (praia reserva) and know what I am talking about. As I say to people, it's no use googling for information.

The beach in Zona Sul is crowded, it's not safe, many people from favela. Adults with good job in Rio de Janeiro buy apartments in Barra. Most apartments in Zona Sul belong to retirees. I don't care about transport because I have my own car when I shop. There are many shops, restaurants, bars and markets in Barra.

Do you mean Praia the reserva in Barra?

I am neither a tourist nor an expatriate on this thread.

[Java Man]

Do you mean Praia the reserva in Barra?Praia do Reserva, no Recreio, pela Oglobo. "Melhor praia: Recreio/Reserva a nica praia que nunca apareceu como NO RECOMENDADA. Essa tambm a nica que apareceu como TIMA e por trs vezes"

For the Portuguese challenged: Best beach: Recreio / Reservation is the only beach that has never appeared as NOT RECOMMENDED. This is also the only one that has appeared as GREAT (BEST) three time. BTW, 90% of the samples were contaminated at Pepe Beach, Barra!

[MongerForSex]

Praia do Reserva, no Recreio, pela Oglobo. "Melhor praia: Recreio/Reserva a nica praia que nunca apareceu como NO RECOMENDADA. Essa tambm a nica que apareceu como TIMA e por trs vezes"

For the Portuguese challenged: Best beach: Recreio / Reservation is the only beach that has never appeared as NOT RECOMMENDED. This is also the only one that has appeared as GREAT (BEST) three time. BTW, 90% of the samples were contaminated at Pepe Beach, Barra!Thanks for the info, I learnt something interesting from a Gringo.

There are many beaches in Rio de Janeiro better than Praia da Reserva. Where I live, the beach ( Praia da Reserva) is very clean and very safe, no stupid tourists, no people from favela. But I did not say it's the best beach. I just said beaches in Zona Sul are not good. Crowded, dirty, many people from favela, stupid tourists. There are many beaches in Rio de Janeiro that are better and cleaner, with less people.

Praia da Reserva is very big. Barra da Tijuca is not Copacabana or Ipanema.

[Nordico]

Thanks for the info, I learnt something interesting from a Gringo.

There are many beaches in Rio de Janeiro better than Praia da Reserva. Where I live, the beach ( Praia da Reserva) is very clean and very safe, no stupid tourists, no people from favela. But I did not say it's the best beach, I can see you know nothing about Rio de Janeiro. I just said beaches in Zona Sul are not good. Crowded, dirty, many people from favela, stupid tourists,. I don't really care about your beach no Recreio. There are many beaches in Rio de Janeiro that are better and cleaner, with less people.

Praia da Reserva is very big. Barra da Tijuca is not Copacabana or Ipanema.Nevertheless, swimming in Rio de Janeiro is like drinking from the toilet.

[Exec Talent]

Nevertheless, swimming in Rio de Janeiro is like drinking from the toilet.Do tell your friends that swimming in the middle of Copacabana beach where the raw sewage runs in from the favelas is not a good idea.

As for your enemies; let them find out for themselves.

[AltoBomGosto]

Do tell your friends that swimming in the middle of Copacabana beach where the raw sewage runs in from the favelas is not a good idea.

As for your enemies; let them find out for themselves.That's why I prefer going to the beaches of São Paulo, beaches like Guarujá, Maresias and Ilhabela are much cleaner them the ones in Rio.

[Member #4673]

I am currently traveling in Brazil inter city with Uber at very low price using some tricks. For example I took a ride from Natal Ponta negra to João Pessoa. Door to Door to the hotel for 200 RS for 184 km distance. How?

I ordered Uber to a fake nearby destination then Cancel the trip withing 2 minute or when the driver already reach to me. From Natal Natal Ponta negra to João Pessoa Uber trip simulation show me 550 RS. I ask the driver how much he want to the real destination and tell him to forget about the fake destination. I told him we are not going to use Uber App so avoiding Uber commission. The driver in that example offer 250 RS instead of 550 RS when using Uber App. Then we settled for 220 RS. So I leave my hotel Door and reach my hotel in other city.

I Did the same trick From João Pessoa to Recife.

Now, I also know how to Avoid ATM redraw fee of 25 RS. Thats next post if anyone interested.

[Exec Talent]

Or, is this really how you want to live your life?

On one of my first visits to Rio, Bobby, from Blame It On Rio, was showing me an apartment. The apartment owner's agent happened to be there also and pulled my Brazilian girlfriend aside and told her that we could save money by renting directly from her. When my girlfriend relayed this information to me I told her tell the woman no thanks, I wasn't going to go around Bobby, we would pay whatever he charged.

Over the years, former employees, vendors and customers have lost literally millions of dollars by thinking they were getting over or fooling the system. Sometimes they knew (like when they got fired). Other times, they didn't, like when they decided to play games on a small contract not knowing that a much larger one was coming up. I even have had the unpleasant task (not really) of telling customers that we did not want their business. Then again, maybe it is just me.

[MongerForSex]

That's why I prefer going to the beaches of So Paulo, beaches like Guaruj, Maresias and Ilhabela are much cleaner them the ones in Rio.There are many clean beaches in Rio de Janeiro. (cabo frio and many other beaches outside the city of Rio de Janeiro). There are nice and clean beaches in Barra and Recreio. I agree with you, beaches in Sao Paulo are clean but not better, they are just different. I also like beaches in Sao Paulo. Most foreigners don't know anything about Brazil, they just stick to zona sul and and think all brazilian beaches are dirty.

When people talk about the beaches in Rio de Janeiro, they talk about zona sul. Rio de Janeiro is a big city and a big state. There are many interesting places. Rio de Janeiro or Brazil is not limited to touristic places (zona sul).

[MongerForSex]

Nevertheless, swimming in Rio de Janeiro is like drinking from the toilet.But still better to swim in Rio de Janeiro than to be frozen and handled by women in a shithole country in the middle of nowhere.

[Nordico]

But still better to swim in Rio de Janeiro than to be frozen and handled by women in a shithole country in the middle of nowhere.Depends on definition of shithole country.

[MongerForSex]

Why is it useless to talk to some folks? Why you guys keep being stubborn and ignorant. You never learnt medicine and you think you can teach me. The world is crazy, some folks think they know medicine without finishing their high school. You may learn many new things if you shut up and stop pretending to be smarter. 1 man in 500 men suffer from this condition (Klinefelter syndrome).

As excetalent stated, some men were fooled but there is no excuse to bed ugly women in trash places. Please stop being cheap and fuck fuckable women when you travel miles.

I write here because I don't want to mess up Rio de Janeiro thread.

https://medlineplus.gov/klinefelterssyndrome.html

https://www.icliniq.com/qa/feminine-body/i-am-a-25-year-old-male-my-body-looks-feminine-please-help#gref

Men starting hormone therapy before puberty can change bone structure. The bone structure doesn't change in adults undergoing HRT for gender transition purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_hormone_therapy_(male-to-female)

[BMo814]

Think I'm ready to try Rio fellas, like another hobbyist stated I'm a bit intimidated by the size and some stories I've heard but also encouraged by stories I've read here, seeing Christ the redeemer and some chicks I follow on a nsfw twitter account I have. I have to do more research on the thread but I mostly see about termas and spas. Are there many or any reliable escort agencies or have fellas had luck on tinder or finding garotas de programmas on Twitter? I ask because I prefer over nights if the situation is right. Thanks in advance, I'm going to hit the duo lingo hard and learn some Portuguese I speak pretty fluent Spanish so hope it helps, keep studying the board and get ready. All feed back appreciated.

[Balboa]

Think I'm ready to try Rio fellas, like another hobbyist stated I'm a bit intimidated by the size and some stories I've heard but also encouraged by stories I've read here, seeing Christ the redeemer and some chicks I follow on a nsfw twitter account I have. I have to do more research on the thread but I mostly see about termas and spas. Are there many or any reliable escort agencies or have fellas had luck on tinder or finding garotas de programmas on Twitter? I ask because I prefer over nights if the situation is right. Thanks in advance, I'm going to hit the duo lingo hard and learn some Portuguese I speak pretty fluent Spanish so hope it helps, keep studying the board and get ready. All feed back appreciated.Thanks for moving to General forum.

I personally don't give a hoot about all the blah blah LOL.

[BrazilRio]

Why is it useless to talk to some folks? Why you guys keep being stubborn and ignorant. You never learnt medicine and you think you can teach me. The world is crazy, some folks think they know medicine without finishing their high school. You may learn many new things if you shut up and stop pretending to be smarter. 1 man in 500 men suffer from this condition (Klinefelter syndrome).

As excetalent stated, some men were fooled but there is no excuse to bed ugly women in trash places. Please stop being cheap and fuck fuckable women when you travel miles.

I write here because I don't want to mess up Rio de Janeiro thread.I learnt something interesting today. It is very scary.

I am now in Thailand and enjoy fucking like an animal. But nothing is better than Brazil. I miss bunda.

There is no excuse for fucking ugly women LOOL.

[BMo814]

Thanks for moving to General forum.

I personally don't give a hoot about all the blah blah LOL.Idk what this means. But If any real ones got any game for a Brazil noob holla at me. Will be a rookie to Samba world but not a rookie in the mongering game. From most of what I hear and read this is some of the best mongering and I got to see.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Idk what this means. But If any real ones got any game for a Brazil noob holla at me. Will be a rookie to Samba world but not a rookie in the mongering game. From most of what I hear and read this is some of the best mongering and I got to see.About 10 years ago, I was planning a trip to Thailand and I did a ton shit of research on Bangkok. But at the last moment I decided to go to Rio instead because I didn't want to endure the long flight all the way to Asia (later I learned the flight from US to Brasil was almost as long as the flight to Thailand). This turned out to be one of the best decisions I ever made. I have been coming to Brasil ever since.

A couple years ago, I was in Asia on a personal trip and so I decided to do a short hop over to Thailand for 2 weeks. I split my time between Pattaya and Bangkok. Damn was I disappointed. The Thais couldn't hold a candle to the Brasileiras in terms of both service and look. But I must say, I think every heterosexual male should experience Pattaya at least once in their lifetime. That one street probably has more concentration of prostitutes than any where else in the world. The only place I've visited that comes close is Fields Ave in Angeles City.

[Jbj64]

So how far is it to the beaches from Sao Paulo? I will be going for a week and I think I will be getting bored with the city after a few days and maybe take a girl to the beach for a night or two.

[Mr Enternational]

So how far is it to the beaches from Sao Paulo? I will be going for a week and I think I will be getting bored with the city after a few days and maybe take a girl to the beach for a night or two.Take the bus an hour and a half to Santos and Sao Vincente.

[AltoBomGosto]

So how far is it to the beaches from Sao Paulo? I will be going for a week and I think I will be getting bored with the city after a few days and maybe take a girl to the beach for a night or two.Santos and São Vicente are the nearest beaches. But also very polluted. Best is get a girl in São Paulo and rent a car or take a bus to Guarujá.

PM me for details.

ABG.

[SAS40]

Has anyone managed to register at Forum X?

Tried several times but no luck. No response, no activating mail received or nothing.

Too bad since I'd like access to what look like a valuable board.

[MongerForSex]

Has anyone managed to register at Forum X?

Tried several times but no luck. No response, no activating mail received or nothing.

Too bad since I'd like access to what look like a valuable board.You need to have a Brazilian sim card.

[SAS40]

You need to have a Brazilian sim card.I do. But they don't send activating by sms, only by mail still?

[MongerForSex]

I do. But they don't send activating by sms, only by mail still?It's not possible only by mail. You also need to use your phone number. Did you write the number correctly? Are you sure your Brazilian number is activated?

[BMo814]

About 10 years ago, I was planning a trip to Thailand and I did a ton shit of research on Bangkok. But at the last moment I decided to go to Rio instead because I didn't want to endure the long flight all the way to Asia (later I learned the flight from US to Brasil was almost as long as the flight to Thailand). This turned out to be one of the best decisions I ever made. I have been coming to Brasil ever since.

A couple years ago, I was in Asia on a personal trip and so I decided to do a short hop over to Thailand for 2 weeks. I split my time between Pattaya and Bangkok. Damn was I disappointed. The Thais couldn't hold a candle to the Brasileiras in terms of both service and look. But I must say, I think every heterosexual male should experience Pattaya at least once in their lifetime. That one street probably has more concentration of prostitutes than any where else in the world. The only place I've visited that comes close is Fields Ave in Angeles City.Yes! Thailand is high on my list too but I love latinas and I'm very very focused on making this happen in November and I'm sure I'll be just like you coming back for more and hopefully get to Pattaya sooner than later.

[MiamiSammy]

Yes! Thailand is high on my list too but I love latinas and I'm very very focused on making this happen in November and I'm sure I'll be just like you coming back for more and hopefully get to Pattaya sooner than later.I spent Christmas in Bangkok / Pattaya, Cambodia, and Vietnam. I should first say I have a thing for Latinas, probably not so much for Asians. If you're into Asians, by all means go to Thailand. I hope you like Russians, because they're everywhere- loud, drunk, and obnoxious. There are a ton of girls, and there are some beauties. That being said, both Bangkok and especially Pattaya are tourist traps of the first order. I far preferred Vietnam and Cambodia in all respects to Thailand.

South America- the people are just friendlier, the women hotter, and the prices better. The only reason I can see going back to Asia is to see Vietnam again, or more likely, to check out the Phillippines. I'm already booked for Medellin and Santa Marta in November, and I'm trying to decide where in Brazil I want to try. Viva America Sur!

[SAS40]

It's not possible only by mail. You also need to use your phone number. Did you write the number correctly? Are you sure your Brazilian number is activated?Yes, put my valid number down. But don't get no message sent, so obviously that's the problem. Very annoying. Thanks for helping though.

Anyone want to rent their login for a while, LOL?

Really want to flick through that board.

In Brazil now so hope to be able to contribute to the thread some!

[DreamCarnarvon]

I spent Christmas in Bangkok / Pattaya, Cambodia, and Vietnam. I should first say I have a thing for Latinas, probably not so much for Asians. If you're into Asians, by all means go to Thailand. I hope you like Russians, because they're everywhere- loud, drunk, and obnoxious. There are a ton of girls, and there are some beauties. That being said, both Bangkok and especially Pattaya are tourist traps of the first order. I far preferred Vietnam and Cambodia in all respects to Thailand.Like you and BMo814, I have deep love for Latinas and I have to thank Brasil for introducing me to them. Since that very first Brasil trip, I have been to other central and south american countries, like Costa Rica, Dominican republic and Colombia. But I find myself always coming back to Brasil. For me, from my experiences, the Brazilian women are a notch above everyone else.

Asian women are way down at the bottom of my list. My second trip to Thailand happened late last year. The only reason I was there was B/ CI couldn't find any cheap flights to Cambodia. I was in Bangkok for a week then spent the rest of my trip in Phenom penh, Cambodia. Bangkok was full of tourists and I felt like it has lost much of its Thai identity. I don't think I'll ever go back to Thailand anytime soon. For a less touristy and more authentic trip, I recommend going to Cambodia. I find Cambodian women cuter than the Thais and Filipinos. And the Cambodian people are some of the most friendliest I have ever met, especially in the countryside. But whatever you do, avoid crossing the Thailand / Cambodia border by bus if possible. Its cheaper than flying for sure but the border crossing procedure is very crazy and confusing. As for the Philippines, I have been there twice and spent most of my time in Angeles City. But I had a very hard time finding even decent looking girls. But I do feel its easier to find girls who are willing to do BBFS in the Philippines.

[SAS40]

Seriously now; I'll buy a login or buy a few drinks if meet up somewhere!

Gutted I can't get this board to work.

Getting on my nerves now. LOL.


Yes, put my valid number down. But don't get no message sent, so obviously that's the problem. Very annoying. Thanks for helping though.

Anyone want to rent their login for a while, LOL?

Really want to flick through that board.

In Brazil now so hope to be able to contribute to the thread some!

[Egy Monger New]

But I do feel its easier to find girls who are willing to do BBFS in the Philippines.Any comment in regards to BBFS availability in Brazil, Colombia and Dominican Republic?

[Jbj64]

I cannot comment on Brasil, but in Medellin I have gotten it mostly from ladies that are part timers. I have a student that I found on SA and she does everything with me without condom. I have found a couple others in CC and Latin cupid that have done it without. We don't usually talk about it we just start kissing and move on from there, then in the end I give them some cash it is not talked about in the beginning.


Any comment in regards to BBFS availability in Brazil, Colombia and Dominican Republic?

[Nordico]

Twitter is suspending many Brazilian working girls' accounts due to rules change. They don't allow promoting prostitution and explicit photos and videos should be marked as sensitive (this seems to be the hard part for the girls to understand).

Some of the girls are trying to move their business to Vero https://vero.co/brunafreitas.

[Mr Enternational]

Any comment in regards to BBFS availability in Brazil, Colombia and Dominican Republic?Widely available with nonpros in all 3 places.

[Mr Enternational]

Twitter is suspending many Brazilian working girls' accounts due to rules change. They don't allow promoting prostitution and explicit photos and videos should be marked as sensitive (this seems to be the hard part for the girls to understand).

Some of the girls are trying to move their business to Vero https://vero.co/brunafreitas.The last time I was in Medellin chicks were promoting it on Tinder and not being suspended. They thought I was crazy for trying to move the conversation to whatsapp by telling them that type of discussion was not allowed. I chalked it up to that pro feminine against men shit because I performed an experiment by reporting the profiles that were transexuals but in the female section. They fucking kicked ME off!

[Artisttyp]

Is Brazil 420 friendly and which would be a better city for it Rio or San Paulo. Easy to get? Prices?

Thanks.

[Turgid]

There needs to be more brothels throughout Brazil for locals to more easily relieve themselves. Someone tell that to Bolsonaro.

[JDubz]

I cannot comment on Brasil, but in Medellin I have gotten it mostly from ladies that are part timers. I have a student that I found on SA and she does everything with me without condom. I have found a couple others in CC and Latin cupid that have done it without. We don't usually talk about it we just start kissing and move on from there, then in the end I give them some cash it is not talked about in the beginning.It wasn't Nati the UPB medical student, is it? If so, we may have been swapping her bb at the same time!

[MongerForSex]

There needs to be more brothels throughout Brazil for locals to more easily relieve themselves. Someone tell that to Bolsonaro.Brazil is safer than the USA when it comes to sex crime. Brazilian men are not thursty and desperate like American men living in the USA where women think their pussy is gold. You come to Brazil to get empty because you can't satisfy yourself in the USA. You should thank Brazil, Germany and Thailand for not being a raper.

[Java Man]

Brazil is safer than the USA when it comes to sex crime. Brazilian men are not thursty and desperate like American men living in the USA where women think their pussy is gold. You come to Brazil to get empty because you can't satisfy yourself in the USA. You should thank Brazil, Germany and Thailand for not being a raper.Huh?? Thank your Parents and Upbringing for NOT being a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126).

[Mr Enternational]

In some threads people get bent out of shape when I post advice. They say that I think I know everything. Well I don't. And what I try to do is pass along the shit that I have learned over the years so someone else does not have to learn the hard way.

Today was a perfect example. I arrived in Natal last night at 1 am and got an Uber to the hotel in Ponta Negra for 73 reais. I had booked a rental car to be picked up today at 10. The cost was 2296 reais for 11 days with me returning it in Salvador.

I woke up today at 11 and got ready and walked over to the car rental place at 12. I made sure to bring my tablet where I had my reservation screenshotted. Sure enough I got there and she didn't have the reservation. So I showed her in my tablet. She said if I don't show up within 1 hour of when I had reserved the car, then the reservation is canceled. So it is not like anywhere else where you are giving a general time of when you are picking it up. They expect you to be there at 10 or 11 at the latest. So even if your flight is late, too bad, so sad.

She ended up having to make me a new reservation that cost me 500 reais more than the original that I made months ago! That is some major bullshit there. And also looking at the contract, I was reminded of something I learned years before in Salvador. Here, you have to return a car clean. If not, then you are charged a cleaning fee. So on the 23rd before I turn this machine in, I have to find a car wash or have an additional charge of 85-150 reais in addition to the 500 I am already getting fucked for.

To make matters even worse my girlfriend was late for her flight out of Goiania this morning. I had told her the other day to check in online for the flight. Did she listen. No. Had she done that she would have still been able to make the flight. The guy said all she could do was come back tomorrow and catch a flight that would get her here at 6 tomorrow night. That puts us 2 days behind our schedule. Live and learn.

[Rio Bob]

Hard to believe I just took 1000 reais out at Bradesco and was debited a mere $232.37 at my bank. That is 4.30 reais / USD. I am enjoying this rate.

We were at a kiosk on Av. Atlantica where the original chick insisted on eating. They ordered food and beers while I only had water. I had told her it would be better to eat on Barato Ribeiro somewhere. The bill came and it was 200 reais. Well here is the 5 reais for my water! The original chick tried to pay with her bank card but it was rejected. So the Rome chick had to pay with her bank card.

Okay so I just talked to the chick's friend and asked her to come through. She was like fuck that. You are too cheap for me. Where do biches get off thinking they can bring the whole world to you and run up a bill at a place of their choosing and think you are supposed to be responsible for it? That shit don't fly with me and they learn hard lessons when they try it here.
I know you have the ATM card from Charles Schwab with no ATM fees, you got a great official rate and no ATM fees can't beat that. I don't use Charles Schwab and don't intend to move to another broker but just checked out my broker and they offer the same deal so I'm signing up so I can get this same deal going forward, thanks for the info.


In some threads people get bent out of shape when I post advice. They say that I think I know everything. Well I don't. And what I try to do is pass along the shit that I have learned over the years so someone else does not have to learn the hard way.

She ended up having to make me a new reservation that cost me 500 reais more than the original that I made months ago! That is some major bullshit there. And also looking at the contract, I was reminded of something I learned years before in Salvador. Here, you have to return a car clean. If not, then you are charged a cleaning fee. So on the 23rd before I turn this machine in, I have to find a car wash or have an additional charge of 85-150 reais in addition to the 500 I am already getting fucked for.

To make matters even worse my girlfriend was late for her flight out of Goiania this morning. I had told her the other day to check in online for the flight. Did she listen. No. Had she done that she would have still been able to make the flight. The guy said all she could do was come back tomorrow and catch a flight that would get her here at 6 tomorrow night. That puts us 2 days behind our schedule. Live and learn.That's too bad you have to go for an extra possible 650 reais, we feel your pain perhaps you should share this story with the girl who paid for her lunch with her bank card for 200 reais and called you Pau Duro, would love to see her reaction perhaps Karma LOL just busting!

[Exec Talent]

Have not been around as long as Rio Bob, who was going to swing Pow Wows with the natives when the Portuguese arrived, but long enough to see the comings and goings of many gringos.

Gringos are their own worse enemies.

There was a guy who used to visit Rio quit often. He would go to a termas, sit down and girls would get up and move in mass to the other side of the room. After a session, he would go to the relax room and in a very loud voice give a play by play recap. Have been on the streets and pass 5 - 6 guys acting like they owned the place.

Why would anyone share information with these kind of guys? So they can show up at private apartments and cause a scene, resulting in the operators having to move? Visit a girl who treated you well and treat her badly?

Want to be someone who gets the good intel? Stop behaving like a cheap, immature, drunken frat boy. No worries about girl-friendly hotels, women will stay with you for free and even if paying, will give you the sad eyes when leaving late the next afternoon. The alternative. No info for you.

[Turgid]

Is it just me or do other guys have the experience of the housekeeping staff in Brazilian hotels being offended if you do not try to hook up with them? I got that distinct feeling during my October, November, December, 2019 visits.

[Exec Talent]

Is it just me or do other guys have the experience of the housekeeping staff in Brazilian hotels being offended if you do not try to hook up with them? I got that distinct feeling during my October, November, December, 2019 visits.When I first arrived in Brazil, I spent a lot of time evaluating business opportunities. As a result, I had people advising me on everything. To a person, both men and women, they advised to always treat local women (and those pretending to be) with caution. Have fun, but keep in mind that there often will be ulterior motives. Most advised that it was less complicated just to pay for sex. The old adage is that free kitty-cat is the most expensive kitty-cat applied. They told me that girls will get jobs at hotels in hopes of meeting, getting pregnant by and extracting money (marriage optional) from gringos. That common law marriage was liberally interpreted and that since twenty-five percent of Brazilians did not have a father listed on their birth certificates, women would be looking for someone (with money) to list.

Moving from a world of visiting, playing, paying and leaving to living among Brazilians opens your eyes to a totally different world. It did nothing but reinforce the advise I was first given. Also, remember that Brazilian women learn a lot from their mothers and Novelas (Soap Operas). It is interesting to follow the story lines and see them played out in real life. Just hope it is not your life. Brazilian women remain those who will be more offended that you did not notice them than if you outwardly point out your interest.

[Turgid]

............. Brazilian women remain those who will be more offended that you did not notice them than if you outwardly point out your interest.Totally credible. I stayed in different hotels and the housekeeping staff were very friendly at first but after a few days of not showing any interest in getting physical with them they began to be petulant for no apparent reason. Banging housekeeping staff would mess up my p4p activities. Somehow I believe that its the norm for single Brazilian residents to make out with housekeepers.

[The Cane]

Totally credible. I stayed in different hotels and the housekeeping staff were very friendly at first but after a few days of not showing any interest in getting physical with them they began to be petulant for no apparent reason. Banging housekeeping staff would mess up my p4p activities. Somehow I believe that its the norm for single Brazilian residents to make out with housekeepers.Totally not credible for me as housekeeping tends to be older hags interested only in finishing up with cleaning my room ASAP so that they can move on to the next one.

[Mr Enternational]

Most advised that it was less complicated just to pay for sex. The old adage is that free kitty-cat is the most expensive kitty-cat applied. They told me that girls will get jobs at hotels in hopes of meeting, getting pregnant by and extracting money (marriage optional) from gringos. That common law marriage was liberally interpreted and that since twenty-five percent of Brazilians did not have a father listed on their birth certificates, women would be looking for someone (with money) to list.

Moving from a world of visiting, playing, paying and leaving to living among Brazilians opens your eyes to a totally different world. It did nothing but reinforce the advise I was first given. Also, remember that Brazilian women learn a lot from their mothers and Novelas (Soap Operas).I must say that your experience in Brazil is 180 degrees different from mine. It sounds like you are talking about the Dominican Republic or Philippines. I can not think of a chick I know in Brazil that does not know her father or even whose mother and father are not still together. The chicks I know with multiple kids got them when they were married. If I know any chicks that have never been married that has had kids, then they have no more than 1; for most it is 0. And the ones with 0 are not trying to have any until they are someone's wife. I find it totally different from my country where a chick has kids with 2 or 3 different dudes on gp.

[Turgid]

Totally not credible for me as housekeeping tends to be older hags interested only in finishing up with cleaning my room ASAP so that they can move on to the next one.Most likely we stay at different hotels.

[JennyKk]

I am planing to visit two cities during my first Brazil trip. The reports in both cities are good. If my visit is around 7-10 days how many days should I spend in each city? I'm thinking mainly focus on one city, which one should I choose? Any big difference between RJ and SP? Thanks!

[The Cane]

I am planing to visit two cities during my first Brazil trip. The reports in both cities are good. If my visit is around 7-10 days how many days should I spend in each city? I'm thinking mainly focus on one city, which one should I choose? Any big difference between RJ and SP? Thanks!If it were me, I would not go to Brazil for less than 10 days minimum, and I would focus on one city (Sao Paulo). But if you are determined to do two, then I would say 6 or 7 in Sao Paulo and 3 or 4 in Rio. Yes, Sao Paulo has now surpassed my beloved Rio for mongering.

[The Critic]

I am planing to visit two cities during my first Brazil trip. The reports in both cities are good. If my visit is around 7-10 days how many days should I spend in each city? I'm thinking mainly focus on one city, which one should I choose? Any big difference between RJ and SP? Thanks!Go to Both 50/50 split, flights between the two cities is one hour. Spend a weekend in each area. RTFs of each city it will be in your best interest to have a good understanding of each area prior to arrival since the mongering is different in both areas. You did not mention when you are planning to travel to Brazil? SP is a huge big city, with lots of activity. Rio has plentiful beaches and is laid back plenty of tourist attractions. The Termas should be something you like since it is close to Germany FKK clubs that your use to. I / we don't know your mongering style so its hard recommend one over the other just experience both and you can decide which one of the cities works for you.

[JennyKk]

Go to Both 50/50 split, flights between the two cities is one hour. Spend a weekend in each area. RTFs of each city it will be in your best interest to have a good understanding of each area prior to arrival since the mongering is different in both areas. You did not mention when you are planning to travel to Brazil? SP is a huge big city, with lots of activity. Rio has plentiful beaches and is laid back plenty of tourist attractions. The Termas should be something you like since it is close to Germany FKK clubs that your use to. I / we don't know your mongering style so its hard recommend one over the other just experience both and you can decide which one of the cities works for you.It will be around May. After a little bit research, RJ is more termas and SP is more clubs and clinics. 50/50 might be a good idea. On the local sites, much more posts for SP than RJ, just opposite what we have here on ISG. Which makes me wondering why.

[Nordico]

On Monday I went to Claro store in Cidade So Paulo shopping mall. The guy wanted BRL 310 for the Sim and some data and he repeated the same price for another gringo too. I took a taxi to Shopping Ibirapuera and got my Sim from Claro paying BRL 10 for the chip and BRL 50 for some data. Surprisingly my old Rio de Janeiro Sim from a year ago was still active, but I had left it at home, because I didn't expect to be able to use it anymore.

[Hobbying]

The exchange rate is 4.56 today.

Banco do Brasil. I could not take out 1000 R said exceeds my daily max and same message when I tried 800 R. In the past I would get whatever the rate is that day.

Itaú. Did not accept my card from US.

Bredesco. Got 2.46 rate.

Santander. Got 2.36 plus 20 R fee. Which is also a banco24 horas.

I am irritated that the ATMs don't notify you what the exchange rate is like credit card machines do when making a purchase it gives you the exchange rate in USD or BR.

[Hobbying]

On Monday I went to Claro store in Cidade So Paulo shopping mall. The guy wanted BRL 310 for the Sim and some data and he repeated the same price for another gringo too. I took a taxi to Shopping Ibirapuera and got my Sim from Claro paying BRL 10 for the chip and BRL 50 for some data. Surprisingly my old Rio de Janeiro Sim from a year ago was still active, but I had left it at home, because I didn't expect to be able to use it anymore.At the airport in terminal 2 on the 2nd floor there is lotteria which sells sims but need to have a CPF.

On the first floor the gift shop use to sell sim also. I find it strange unlike other international airports there are many SIM card vending machines or mobile company selling SIM cards.

I ended up with Claro for 10 R per week with 2 gb or 35 R per month with 6 gb.

[Orgasmico]

Might be a good time to visit.

[Mr Enternational]

I am irritated that the ATMs don't notify you what the exchange rate is like credit card machines do when making a purchase it gives you the exchange rate in USD or BR.I don't know about in Brazil, but some ATMs do notify you of an exchange rate and you have to okay it. In all of these cases though, it means you are about to get fucked. Do not okay it and it will revert to giving you the rate that it is supposed to.

[Margaya]

At the airport in terminal 2 on the 2nd floor there is lotteria which sells sims but need to have a CPF.

On the first floor the gift shop use to sell sim also. I find it strange unlike other international airports there are many SIM card vending machines or mobile company selling SIM cards.

I ended up with Claro for 10 R per week with 2 gb or 35 R per month with 6 gb.Are you just a tourist or have the Brazil ID?

I had very hard time trying to get a sim in Rio. I tried several places mentioned on tripadvisor including two malls but was turned down everywhere because I didn't have Brazilian ID. Someone later on told me that I can get the ID from a place near Copacabana beach.

I would love to know how to get a sim in Rio.

[Sperto]

Are you just a tourist or have the Brazil ID?

I had very hard time trying to get a sim in Rio. I tried several places mentioned on tripadvisor including two malls but was turned down everywhere because I didn't have Brazilian ID. Someone later on told me that I can get the ID from a place near Copacabana beach.

I would love to know how to get a sim in Rio.
You don't need a CPF to use a brazilian SIM card. It might be easier to activate it using a CPF, but as said it's not necessary. Btw, You can get a CPF as a tourist, it can be useful if you stay in Rio longer periods. You can get client cards at Zona Sul, Pao de Acucar etc and get good discounts.

[Nordico]

Are you just a tourist or have the Brazil ID?

I had very hard time trying to get a sim in Rio. I tried several places mentioned on tripadvisor including two malls but was turned down everywhere because I didn't have Brazilian ID. Someone later on told me that I can get the ID from a place near Copacabana beach.

I would love to know how to get a sim in Rio.I got mine from Claro store at Botafogo Praia Shopping.

[The Critic]

Are you just a tourist or have the Brazil ID?

I had very hard time trying to get a sim in Rio. I tried several places mentioned on tripadvisor including two malls but was turned down everywhere because I didn't have Brazilian ID. Someone later on told me that I can get the ID from a place near Copacabana beach.

I would love to know how to get a sim in Rio.You should not have a problem unless something loss in translation or misunderstanding between you and customer service rep. All you need is your Passport if your a tourist (Brazilian ID or CPF card not necessary) to get a sim card. Go to Rio Sul mall (https://www.riosul.com.br/) walkable right outside the Tunnel (Tunel do Leme Galeria Coelho Cintra) via Av. Princesa Isabel. Never had a problem getting Sim from either Claro or TIM in mall, they deal with tourist everyday. Claro and Tim each have two stores on different floors. It did happen where I for example went to TIM on 3rd floor and they sent me to the store on the 1st floor. Either way never refused a SIM purchase and related service (top-off minutes / data / etc).

[Hobbying]

Are you just a tourist or have the Brazil ID?

I had very hard time trying to get a sim in Rio. I tried several places mentioned on tripadvisor including two malls but was turned down everywhere because I didn't have Brazilian ID. Someone later on told me that I can get the ID from a place near Copacabana beach.

I would love to know how to get a sim in Rio.I have a CPF which you can apply for at any Brazilian consulate. It makes life so much easier if you frequent Brazil.

[The Cane]

I've been reading posts about the effects of the spread of the coronavirus all around the mongering world. And I see mongers starting to argue, fuss, and fight in many of these threads. How about we all take a step back, take a deep breath for a few seconds, and try to keep our heads on straight and level? Let's calm down and let cooler heads prevail my fellow mongers.

[Hobbying]

First death reported in SP.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazil-records-first-coronavirus-death-as-congress-suspends-session-idUSKBN2142HG

[Sperto]

Europeans (and some other countries) are not allowed to enter Brazil.
https://noticias.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/afp/2020/03/20/brasil-restringe-chegada-de-europeus-e-asiaticos-por-covid-19.htm

[Sperto]

Martial laws.

[Hobbying]

Europeans (and some other countries) are not allowed to enter Brazil.
https://noticias.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/afp/2020/03/20/brasil-restringe-chegada-de-europeus-e-asiaticos-por-covid-19.htmI like the part where the US is not on the list even though they have more than 10,000 cases. Soon though.

[Hobbying]

In some threads people get bent out of shape when I post advice. They say that I think I know everything. Well I don't. And what I try to do is pass along the shit that I have learned over the years so someone else does not have to learn the hard way.

Today was a perfect example. I arrived in Natal last night at 1 am and got an Uber to the hotel in Ponta Negra for 73 reais. I had booked a rental car to be picked up today at 10. The cost was 2296 reais for 11 days with me returning it in Salvador.

I woke up today at 11 and got ready and walked over to the car rental place at 12. I made sure to bring my tablet where I had my reservation screenshotted. Sure enough I got there and she didn't have the reservation. So I showed her in my tablet. She said if I don't show up within 1 hour of when I had reserved the car, then the reservation is canceled. So it is not like anywhere else where you are giving a general time of when you are picking it up. They expect you to be there at 10 or 11 at the latest. So even if your flight is late, too bad, so sad.

She ended up having to make me a new reservation that cost me 500 reais more than the original that I made months ago! That is some major bullshit there. And also looking at the contract, I was reminded of something I learned years before in Salvador. Here, you have to return a car clean. If not, then you are charged a cleaning fee. So on the 23rd before I turn this machine in, I have to find a car wash or have an additional charge of 85-150 reais in addition to the 500 I am already getting fucked for..Is it true in Goiania the ratio from male to female is hugely more females? I've met 3 girls from there in SP that said its like 10:1?

[RioHeart]

I've been reading posts about the effects of the spread of the coronavirus all around the mongering world. And I see mongers starting to argue, fuss, and fight in many of these threads. How about we all take a step back, take a deep breath for a few seconds, and try to keep our heads on straight and level? Let's calm down and let cooler heads prevail my fellow mongers.I totally agree just follow the advice of the Government and you should be just fine!

https://youtu.be/Hks6Nq7g6P4

[The Cane]

The Washington Post puts forth another theory regarding the origins of the coronavirus pandemic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/.

[Hobbying]

Brazil likely has 12 times more coronavirus cases than official count, study finds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-cases/brazil-likely-has-12-times-more-coronavirus-cases-than-official-count-study-finds-idUSKCN21V1X1

[Rio Bob]

While we're all waiting for this to pass I've been checking future flights and hotels. The best value I've seen was using miles on American Airlines. I started weeks ago checking fares and I got a fair rate using miles, it has even gone lower since I booked to levels I've never seen before. Same for hotels, rates I have never seen before, I also booked a great rate for a future trip. All bookings are flexible so am able to cancel just in case.

[Nordico]

While we're all waiting for this to pass I've been checking future flights and hotels. The best value I've seen was using miles on American Airlines. I started weeks ago checking fares and I got a fair rate using miles, it has even gone lower since I booked to levels I've never seen before. Same for hotels, rates I have never seen before, I also booked a great rate for a future trip. All bookings are flexible so am able to cancel just in case.I already made a hotel reservation for my next trip to Sao Paulo. EUR 45 / USD 50 per night at Mercure SP Times Square, with flexible rate. Usually it's like EUR 70-80. Of course, at the same time the Real has gone down, which helps, but I have never seen prices like this.

I'm still waiting for the flights to go down. Economy class prices are quite cheap, but business class prices are at the same level (from Europe) as before and I haven't seen any offers yet.

[Hobbying]

Low 400 usd round trip from US to GRU amazing.

[Hobbying]

Has anyone flown into Brazil recently?

Since there is restricted entry, what is the process at the passport check?

[Balboa]

Has anyone flown into Brazil recently?

Since there is restricted entry, what is the process at the passport check?Had a buddy just retire and flew into Curitiba to be with his Brazilian wife.

He has all the official documents and all of being married, a resident, etc and they still almost sent him home he said.

He was kept for a few hours in immigration until his wife came and showed her documents as well and claimed him, LOL.

Not sure if that’s the norm now.

Doesn’t seem wise to fly in now.

[Hobbying]

Had a buddy just retire and flew into Curitiba to be with his Brazilian wife.

He has all the official documents and all of being married, a resident, etc and they still almost sent him home he said.

He was kept for a few hours in immigration until his wife came and showed her documents as well and claimed him, LOL.

Not sure if thats the norm now.

Doesnt seem wise to fly in now.The restriction is until April 30.

In some countries like Korea, they make you download an app on your phone to track you.

Thanks for the tip, I was thinking of flying in May 1st LOL.

[Spidy]

1. Health Minister is Fired.
2. Brazilian Markets in turmoil.
3. Federal Police Chief sacked, fired and dismissed.
4. Brazil justice minister (Sergio Moro) resigns, accuses Bolsonaro of meddling.
5. Real at R$5.72

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mJM-JCIVr8

6. ????
7. ????

On a lighter note, I think #1 should have been "1. Quatro pro Quatro, burns down and husbands go back to fucking their wives. " ...kkkk

[Elvis 2008]

1. Health Minister is Fired.
2. Brazilian Markets in turmoil.
3. Federal Police Chief sacked, fired and dismissed.
4. Brazil justice minister (Sergio Moro) resigns, accuses Bolsonaro of meddling.
5. Real at R$5.72
Yeah, Spidey, this all happened after I got my ticket to Brazil. There are no travel restrictions there. It is $400 for a ticket from Miami to Sao Paulo now. Chicas are telling me that a lot is closed, but they are desperate and hard up for cash. American Airlines has tickets going for $500 which included one suitcase. I jumped on that deal.

I wish Colombia was open, but we will see how things are in Sao Paulo now. It should be fun and you got to love the exchange rate and now needing no visa.

[Balboa]

Yeah, Spidey, this all happened after I got my ticket to Brazil. There are no travel restrictions there. It is $400 for a ticket from Miami to Sao Paulo now. Chicas are telling me that a lot is closed, but they are desperate and hard up for cash. American Airlines has tickets going for $500 which included one suitcase. I jumped on that deal.

I wish Colombia was open, but we will see how things are in Sao Paulo now. It should be fun and you got to love the exchange rate and now needing no visa.I had a ticket this month as well to SP.

Cancelled.

I have a ticket to SP in early May.

We'll see.

Unfortunately, Brasil is closed for incoming traffic now.

Hopefully opens, I have my doubts though.

[Mr Enternational]

Chicas are telling me that a lot is closed, but You mean garotas?

[Frenchieboy]

First I have booked a flight to Rio June 3 rd, but my flight was cancelled so I have booked another flight to Rio September 9th, maybe it will be possible I think It will be difficult to go to Brasil for the next 3 months

[Hobbying]

Extended to May 28.

[Dfc776]

Are international flights open in Brazil now? Is there a period of quarantine?

I'm looking for anywhere I can ride this thing out for the next 2-3 months.

[Hobbying]

Are international flights open in Brazil now? Is there a period of quarantine?

I'm looking for anywhere I can ride this thing out for the next 2-3 months.Ride it out in the new global virus hot spot?

Its closed still until end of the month but expect it to be extended.

[Member #4698]

Hey Guys, I suppose you can file this post under stupid shit, but here goes anyway: It has been 20 years since I last visited Brazil. I used to travel to SA (Colombia, Brazil) all the time in the '90's until I fell big time for demure SE Asian girls. With the Corona BS going on it looks like I might not be allowed to go on my mid summer 2.5 month Thai / Indonesia trip and if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 week Sao Paulo fix. I mean holiday visit. LOL.

I know where to find the girls. That's not a problem. And I think it will be fun rediscovering the town. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.

Thanks in Advance.

NB.

[Mr Enternational]

if I can't go to Asia from mid August to the end of October I won't be able to go there at all in 2020. I know Brazil is currently on hold too, but should the country reopen by the Fall I would be very interested in flying down for a quicky 2 week Sao Paulo fix. My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I prefer 4* & 5* hotels relatively close to the action with sunny outdoor swimming pools.Allow me to add a little more dumb to your question. I was in Sao Paulo at that same time last year and it was freezing. So an outdoor swimming pool will do you no good. And you will be lucky if it is sunny.

[Elvis 2008]

My dumb ass question concerns what SP Hotels are Guest Friendly? I have searched the internet and strangely can't find the answer. Is it all, some, or a few?Maybe there is an exception but as far as I know, in SP, they all are.

[Member #4698]

Allow me to add a little more dumb to your question. I was in Sao Paulo at that same time last year and it was freezing. So an outdoor swimming pool will do you no good. And you will be lucky if it is sunny.Sao Paulo weather is a little like Sub Tropical South Florida with a reversal of seasons although Sao Paulo never gets as hot and never gets as cold as say Miami. The coldest months in SP are June, July and August. If my summer travel plans to Thailand fall thru, I was thinking of going to Sao Paulo in late October / November provided Brazil opens up. The temp range in November is a low of 65f to a high of 80f. Not as warm as I like it, but warm enough. But you are right. In my preliminary research, I was surprised to see the number of quality SP hotels with in-door pools.

[Member #4698]

Maybe there is an exception but as far as I know, in SP, they all are.Good to know.

[Marcos69]

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[The Cane]

Brazil is the new hot spot for COVID-19! And you know the situation is many magnitudes worse due to a gross lack of testing and under reporting. I have heard estimates that the true level of infection ranges anywhere from 12% to 15% higher. Who knows? What we know for sure is that people are dying!

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/24/white-house-imposes-coronavirus-travel-ban-on-brazil/24413991/

[Hobbying]

Travel restriction extended for another 30 days.

http://www.in.gov.br/en/web/dou/-/portaria-n-255-de-22-de-maio-de-2020-258114133

[The Cane]

Brazil is the new hot spot for COVID-19! And you know the situation is many magnitudes worse due to a gross lack of testing and under reporting. I have heard estimates that the true level of infection ranges anywhere from 12% to 15% higher. Who knows? What we know for sure is that people are dying!

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/24/white-house-imposes-coronavirus-travel-ban-on-brazil/24413991/That would be 12 to 15 times higher (versus a percentage). Brazil is getting slammed with this thing!

[Nordico]

That would be 12 to 15 times higher (versus a percentage). Brazil is getting slammed with this thing!This article sums up how the incapable Brazilian government f*ed up. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-response-sp/special-report-bolsonaro-brought-in-his-generals-to-fight-coronavirus-brazil-is-losing-the-battle-idUSKBN2321DU.

[Hobbying]

That would be 12 to 15 times higher (versus a percentage). Brazil is getting slammed with this thing!That was in the article I posted last month. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-cases/brazil-likely-has-12-times-more-coronavirus-cases-than-official-count-study-finds-idUSKCN21V1X1.

At least vaccine manufactures will look to Brasil for clinical trials of their vaccines to see if it works because it is so widespread there.

[SpeedToys]

This article sums up how the incapable Brazilian government f*ed up. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-response-sp/special-report-bolsonaro-brought-in-his-generals-to-fight-coronavirus-brazil-is-losing-the-battle-idUSKBN2321DU.This assumes the goal is "stopping". Which it can't be. You have the biology to survive it or not.

Governments don't tell a virus how to operate.

Either way, lets hope its all over soon and we can travel back.

[Mangera]

That would be 12 to 15 times higher (versus a percentage). Brazil is getting slammed with this thing!Well, whether right or wrong, Balsonaro seems to be all in with Herd immunity (little flu) and doubling down by striking that deal to supply Hydro-cloro medication. Unfortunately, seems that not by choice, the Brazilian citizens will be the participating in this gigantic petri dish or clincal trials of a different way of dealing with covid 19 at a mass scale as compared to the majority of the world.

If this were high stakes poker, Balso has been all in since day one. Who knows what's up. He and generals might be nut cases, or some how weasel their way past this because of a lucky hand. Either way, the world will be looking closely to see what the outcomes will be with this approach. People are going to die regardless, but his approach will either increase or lower the deaths significantly.

[Nordico]

Governments don't tell a virus how to operate.

Either way, lets hope its all over soon and we can travel back.Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates. As an example;.

Sweden has 3540 cases /1 million population and 418 deaths /1 million population. Denmark, Finland and Norway with similar health care system, nursing homes, demography etc. , but different approach to the Covid-19 have 1592 cases /1 million population and 66 deaths /1 million population.

The Swedish economy is equally hit as it's neighbouring countries, but when Europe is opening up it's citizens are not welcome to some countries because the pandemic situation is still one of the worst in the world. At the same time the number of deaths per day in the other three countries is close to zero (0-5). It's not a coincidence, but I totally agree with your last sentence and hope that we can travel back ASAP.

[The Cane]

Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates.The way I would state it is like this. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.

[ShooBree]

Actually governments have lot to say how the virus operates. As an example;.

Sweden has 3540 cases /1 million population and 418 deaths /1 million population. Denmark, Finland and Norway with similar health care system, nursing homes, demography etc. , but different approach to the Covid-19 have 1592 cases /1 million population and 66 deaths /1 million population.

The Swedish economy is equally hit as it's neighbouring countries, but when Europe is opening up it's citizens are not welcome to some countries because the pandemic situation is still one of the worst in the world. At the same time the number of deaths per day in the other three countries is close to zero (0-5). It's not a coincidence, but I totally agree with your last sentence and hope that we can travel back ASAP.Not true. Sweden is doing much better than Finland and Norway when in it comes to the economy.

[Hobbying]

Well, whether right or wrong, Balsonaro seems to be all in with Herd immunity (little flu) and doubling down by striking that deal to supply Hydro-cloro medication. Unfortunately, seems that not by choice, the Brazilian citizens will be the participating in this gigantic petri dish or clincal trials of a different way of dealing with covid 19 at a mass scale as compared to the majority of the world.

If this were high stakes poker, Balso has been all in since day one. Who knows what's up. He and generals might be nut cases, or some how weasel their way past this because of a lucky hand. Either way, the world will be looking closely to see what the outcomes will be with this approach. People are going to die regardless, but his approach will either increase or lower the deaths significantly.Eventually Brasil will be one of the first to get clinical trial vaccines since the problem for testing the vaccines now is the decline of cases in most countries so it is difficult to know if the vaccine actually works.

HCQ does not work and is no longer recommended for anyway anywhere but Brasil. WHO should step in.

No one knows why Remdesivir is not being used instead which gives slight patient improvements. Manufactures are donating it but not to Brazil.

https://www.google.com/search?q=remdesivir+in+Brazil&oq=remdesivir+in+Brazil&aqs=chrome. 69 i57.8743 j0 j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.

[Hobbying]

Brazil is the new hot spot for COVID-19! And you know the situation is many magnitudes worse due to a gross lack of testing and under reporting. I have heard estimates that the true level of infection ranges anywhere from 12% to 15% higher. Who knows? What we know for sure is that people are dying!

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/24/white-house-imposes-coronavirus-travel-ban-on-brazil/24413991/Maybe they ramped up testing, 26,417 cases in one day.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil-tally/brazil-registers-record-26417-coronavirus-cases-in-a-day-ministry-idUSKBN2343QA

[Nordico]

Not true. Sweden is doing much better than Finland and Norway when in it comes to the economy.As this is wrong thread and probably wrong forum, I just leave it at this, https://internetbank.swedbank.se/ConditionsEarchive/download?bankid=1111&id=WEBDOC-PRODE60898530 page 18.

[ShooBree]

As this is wrong thread and probably wrong forum, I just leave it at this, https://internetbank.swedbank.se/ConditionsEarchive/download?bankid=1111&id=WEBDOC-PRODE60898530 page 18.I'm looking for facts, not wild guesses.

https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/gdp-growth

https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/gdp-growth

https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/gdp-growth

https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth

[Nordico]

Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials will start, among other countries, in Brazil.

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2020/06/brasileiros-participarao-de-testes-de-vacina-contra-coronavirus-da-universidade-de-oxford.shtml

https://m.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/vacina-oxford-coronavirus-testes-brasil_br_5ed7c2f6c5b69bb48b60afb6?guccounter=1

[The Cane]

This interactive map is an excellent source of information, and they claim to be keeping it updated: https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm. So, rather than the endless questions about "when" and "where" and "what" regarding the resumption of international travel, we can all refer to this tool for the latest accurate updates.

[The Cane]

Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000.

[Mangera]

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-in-india-and-brazil-new-forecasts-for-when-economic-giants-will-hit-peak-140672

For those who were hoping for the worst phase to pass within June or July, the predictions given in the article provided within the link, doesn't have the peak of the Covid situation reaching / passing until August. So even if you are not fearful of the virus, you may still be limited to the opening of arrivals for foreigners.

My guess would be that by November at best. Hopefully, the article's prediction is wrong, for various reasons, number one being for the sake of losing less lives.

[Mr Matrix]

Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000.If you visit the ruins of Pompeii in Italy, which was destroyed by earthquake in AD79 the guide will point out the brothels with erotic art showing description of services and prices still on the walls. The oldest profession for sure.

[Nordico]

On Saturday Brazil extended it's border closure for foreigners by 15 days. https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2020/06/governo-estende-por-mais-15-dias-restricao-para-entrada-de-estrangeiros-no-brasil.shtml?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twfolha.

[Mr Enternational]

If you visit the ruins of Pompeii in Italy, which was destroyed by earthquake in AD79 the guide will point out the brothels with erotic art showing description of services and prices still on the walls. The oldest profession for sure.I thought Pompei was destroyed by a volcano eruption?

[Dg8787]

I thought Pompei was destroyed by a volcano eruption?Earthquake in 62.

Volcano eruption in 79.

Who is to say which one destroyed the brothel?

[Exec Talent]

Earthquake in 62.

Volcano eruption in 79.

Who is to say which one destroyed the brothel?And, no doubt, to this day, there are Italian guys lamenting its closing.

[WyattEarp]

Earthquake in 62.

Volcano eruption in 79.

Who is to say which one destroyed the brothel?Either way,

I feel the earth move under my feet.

I feel the sky tumbling down, a'tumbling down.

[Dg8787]

And, no doubt, to this day, there are Italian guys lamenting its closing.And some old timers going on and on about how great the old days were. Better looking girls and cheaper costs back then.

[WyattEarp]

And some old timers going on and on about how great the old days were. Better looking girls and cheaper costs back then.The beds were lousy and the bathroom was filthy. However, there was this great guy who would pick you up right at the port and take you around the brothels. I think his name was Altius Bom Gustus.

[BeenBob]

On Saturday Brazil extended it's border closure for foreigners by 15 days. https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2020/06/governo-estende-por-mais-15-dias-restricao-para-entrada-de-estrangeiros-no-brasil.shtml?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twfolha.Thanks for the update.

[Nordico]

Bolsonaro has been tested positive for being an a-hole and he also has gripezinha.

[Henrique1296]

They extended the restriction on foreign travel until the end of July. http://www.in.gov.br/en/web/dou/-/portaria-n-340-de-30-de-junho-de-2020-264247695.

Plus there is the news of Bolsonaro having covid I think traveling to Brazil is not going to happen this summer.

[Stranger]

Bolsonaro has been tested positive for being an a-hole and he also has gripezinha.And like 99% of people under 80 with no underlying conditions he will be out mongering in no time!

Even on this site people have been brainwashed, fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI

[Hobbying]

And like 99% of people under 80 with no underlying conditions he will be out mongering in no time!

Even on this site people have been brainwashed, fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEIIronic, lets see how his little flu progressives.

I can see the exchange hitting 6.00 if he ends up in the hospital.

Too bad can't take advantage of the rates now.

[Hobbying]

They extended the restriction on foreign travel until the end of July. http://www.in.gov.br/en/web/dou/-/portaria-n-340-de-30-de-junho-de-2020-264247695.

Plus there is the news of Bolsonaro having covid I think traveling to Brazil is not going to happen this summer.The USA Embassy in Brasilia would like to share some clarification from the Brazilian National Health Surveillance Agency (Anvisa) regarding this requirement:

Traveler's must present a medical declaration issued by a health authority or a local doctor that certifies that the passenger is not infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus (covid-19). Test results alone will not be accepted. The doctor's declaration may be in English, Spanish or Portuguese. There is no specific template for the declaration. The Brazilian government recommends that the traveler have the medical declaration with the date as close as possible to the day of departure.

[Balboa]

The USA Embassy in Brasilia would like to share some clarification from the Brazilian National Health Surveillance Agency (Anvisa) regarding this requirement:

Traveler's must present a medical declaration issued by a health authority or a local doctor that certifies that the passenger is not infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus (covid-19). Test results alone will not be accepted. The doctor's declaration may be in English, Spanish or Portuguese. There is no specific template for the declaration. The Brazilian government recommends that the traveler have the medical declaration with the date as close as possible to the day of departure.Hey Hobbying, is that requirement above for travel by foreigners to enter Brazil beginning in August?

Obrigado.

[Hobbying]

Hey Hobbying, is that requirement above for travel by foreigners to enter Brazil beginning in August?

Obrigado.They will have new guidelines for August since the current entry restriction is until the end of July.

[Balboa]

They will have new guidelines for August since the current entry restriction is until the end of July.Oh ok, thanks.

You have any idea or educated guess as to the Aug 1 restrictions for foreigners entry into Brazil or if they'll be allowed at all.

Thanks.

[John Clayton]

Bolsonaro is a great man and a great leader, you should grow up and stop posting your childish views which no one gives a fuck about anyways.It's impossible to determine whether this is irony without an identifying emoticon.

[Hobbying]

Oh ok, thanks.

You have any idea or educated guess as to the Aug 1 restrictions for foreigners entry into Brazil or if they'll be allowed at all.

Thanks.My best guess is that they will have this certification by a doctor for all foreigners until there is a vaccination certification.

I hope eventually there will be testing done at the airport, using saliva like the at home HIV test. Because the main problem with the vaccines that will come out is that the amount of time people have immunity since there will not be long term studies done prior to release.

[Nordico]

Bolsonaro is a great man and a great leader, you should grow up and stop posting your childish views which no one gives a fuck about anyways.Oh the guy, who gave a shit about the 5. 500 people's lives, because he got a big discount from a German auto maker. Admitting that you fucked up, would probably shatter the Swedish self image.

Talking about great leaders, is Stefan Lofven still hiding in the hole Tengele dug for him?

P.S. If you see Ann Linde, please tell her to stop whining. The other countries just protect their own citizens keeping you people out.

[WyattEarp]

Oh the guy, who gave a shit about the 5. 500 people's lives, because he got a big discount from a German auto maker. Admitting that you fucked up, would probably shatter the Swedish self image.

Talking about great leaders, is Stefan Lofven still hiding in the hole Tengele dug for him?

P.S. If you see Ann Linde, please tell her to stop whining. The other countries just protect their own citizens keeping you people out.Huh. You are on the Brazil forum of ISG ranting about Swedish politicians??

The only thing scarier than the coronavirus is how it is getting people to act with such certainty and contempt.

[Nordico]

Huh. You are on the Brazil forum of ISG ranting about Swedish politicians??

The only thing scarier than the coronavirus is how it is getting people to act with such certainty and contempt.Just responded to his personal attack. I didn't know where else to post, but I admit it was totally off topic.

[Balboa]

My best guess is that they will have this certification by a doctor for all foreigners until there is a vaccination certification.

I hope eventually there will be testing done at the airport, using saliva like the at home HIV test. Because the main problem with the vaccines that will come out is that the amount of time people have immunity since there will not be long term studies done prior to release.Thank you.

[Nuupter]

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[Spidy]

Bolsonaro is a great man and a great leader, you should grow up and stop posting your childish views which no one gives a fuck about anyways.Really, I mean like really. You really think he's somehow deserving of such superlatives. OK, I guess everyone is entitled their opinion. But I got to say, if this is your idea of "great" then "the bar" is being set pretty low.

[ShooBree]

Really, I mean like really. You really think he's somehow deserving of such superlatives. OK, I guess everyone is entitled their opinion. But I got to say, if this is your idea of "great" then "the bar" is being set pretty low.The bar was set extremely low by other politicians when they decided to destroy the economy because of the Coronavirus. Going against the World to do what's right is pretty much the definition of Greatness. That doesn't mean that Bolsonaro is perfect or never done anything wrong, but he's truly a great man.

[ShooBree]

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[ShooBree]

You might be abit slow. But that is okay. I did not say your real name is Kevin. I said you are the Kevin version of Karens. Entitled. Irresponsible. Covid dick is a figure of speech. You might be too dimwitted to think that many who died are not young people. Economy needs to go back yes. but safety needs to be practiced which is not. a perfect example is people like you.But what is the point of arguing with you. And no I'm not hiding in quarantine. Just pointing out your stupidity. Anyway this is the end of the conversation, KEVIN.For the last time, my name isn't Kevin or Karen. Jeez, what's your obsession with Kevin and Karen? It seems extremely unhealthy. Poor Kevin and Karen. I understand that you're not feeling well, but it's not "responsible" to destroy the global economy by inefficient lockdowns. Trying to trigger another Great Depression because you're scared is beyond entitled and irresponsible. Almost everyone who's died from COVID-19 suffered either from old age or / and had underlying health problems.

Omfg, I love you! According to you I'm the problem because I think that the lockdowns weren't a good idea. Now you're telling me that you're not in quarantine?! Lmfao, you got me lost for words. God bless your soul.

This is the end of the conversation, HORUNGE.

[Spidy]

The bar was set extremely low by other politicians when they decided to destroy the economy because of the Coronavirus. Economies come and go, they will thrive, raise, fall and raise again, while we're here and longer after we're dead and gone. Throughout history most "great" men and women who achieve "greatness" are not politicians, (although some may become one later in life). The mere fact you are even equating greatness with being a politician, tells me you lack the comprehension of the word when applying it to people of outstanding distinction.


Going against the World to do what's right is pretty much the definition of Greatness.I don't even know what that means. By that weak and vague definition, anyone could be considered great. Care to explain?

[Nuupter]

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[Combo]

Economies come and go, they will thrive, raise, fall and raise again, while we're here and longer after we're dead and gone. Throughout history most "great" men and women who achieve "greatness" are not politicians, (although some may become one later in life). The mere fact you are even equating greatness with being a politician, tells me you lack the comprehension of the word when applying it to people of outstanding distinction.

I don't even know what that means. By that weak and vague definition, anyone could be considered great. Care to explain?I've heard and read the "economies rise and fall and rise" an awful lot lately. While it's a true (and obvious) statement, it skims over the significant human suffering involved in a sharp economic contraction.

[Spidy]

I've heard and read the "economies rise and fall and rise" an awful lot lately. While it's a true (and obvious) statement, it skims over the significant human suffering involved in a sharp economic contraction.Personally I'm not skimming over the "human suffering" involved, but there are those politicians (point and case, US, Brazil, Russia, UK, India) and people in power who do.

When the "banksters and fraudsters" killed the economy in 2008, where was the outcry of "human suffering" that took place? It's a pity and unfortunate we couldn't have calculated the worldwide "human suffering" they inflicted and hold them accountable.

Bottom line is, you CANNOT survive, an economic fall and rise, if your DEAD!! (obviously).

[ShooBree]

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[ShooBree]

Economies come and go, they will thrive, raise, fall and raise again, while we're here and longer after we're dead and gone. Throughout history most "great" men and women who achieve "greatness" are not politicians, (although some may become one later in life). The mere fact you are even equating greatness with being a politician, tells me you lack the comprehension of the word when applying it to people of outstanding distinction.

I don't even know what that means. By that weak and vague definition, anyone could be considered great. Care to explain?First of all, Greatness lies in the eye of the beholder. It is subjective. You could Google Greatness, then you will find a description of what it means. A hint, a subjective term will always be vague with different interpretations.

People live and they die, that's the way it always been and always will be. What's important is to live a good life while it lasts, that becomes difficult for many when the politicians have forced through a Great Depression.

A politician, like president Bolsonaro, is the leader of his country. The thought that the leader of a country can't be great is easy to dismiss. Churchill was a hero to many just to mention one politician.

Courage is a trait of Greatness, that's something that Bolsonaro showed when he went against the world to do what's right for his country. He is not a young man, yet he shows no fear for this virus, because he knows that the virus can't come close to do the harm that the lockdowns surely will do.

The job losses caused by the financial crisis in 2008 is reported have been 8.8 million, so far over 40 million lost their jobs now in 2020. The situation is way worse now than then. Not only is the crisis we're facing now much severe, it's also deliberately caused by the politicians. The crisis in 2008 was caused by people and states taking too big loans facilitated by greedy bankers.

[The Cane]

Courage is a trait of Greatness, that's something that Bolsonaro showed when he went against the world to do what's right for his country. He is not a young man, yet he shows no fear for this virus, because he knows that the virus can't come close to do the harm that the lockdowns surely will do.To demonstrate courage is one thing. But to demonstrate stupidity by ignoring science and the expertise of public health officials is another. The subjective judgments of history in the decades to come will not be kind to either Bolsonaro or Trump.

[Spidy]

First of all, Greatness lies in the eye of the beholder. It is subjective. You could Google Greatness, then you will find a description of what it means. A hint, a subjective term will always be vague with different interpretations.

People live and they die, that's the way it always been and always will be. What's important is to live a good life while it lasts, that becomes difficult for many when the politicians have forced through a Great Depression.

A politician, like president Bolsonaro, is the leader of his country. The thought that the leader of a country can't be great is easy to dismiss. Churchill was a hero to many just to mention one politician.

Courage is a trait of Greatness, that's something that Bolsonaro showed when he went against the world to do what's right for his country. He is not a young man, yet he shows no fear for this virus, because he knows that the virus can't come close to do the harm that the lockdowns surely will do.

The job losses caused by the financial crisis in 2008 is reported have been 8.8 million, so far over 40 million lost their jobs now in 2020. The situation is way worse now than then. Not only is the crisis we're facing now much severe, it's also deliberately caused by the politicians. The crisis in 2008 was caused by people and states taking too big loans facilitated by greedy bankers.

I will agree to disagree with your claims of what you consider to be greatness with regards to this Brazilian president. So since you've stated you're opinion, I'll state mine and just preface this by saying much like your opinion mine too is subjective.

He is truly a terrible leader with poor leadership management and knows very little about how to run a great country like Brazil, with a rich culture and diverse socio-economic background, with the cultures of the indigenous Indians, Africans, and Portuguese.

He truly hasn't done a thing to make the country a better place, since taking office. Under his mismanagement he continues to divide the country, instead of uniting it. He has conspired with hired hitmen / gunmen to kill LGBTQ elected officials in Rio. Okay, forgive me. Allegedly! He willingly and knowingly allows the killing of Indigenous People and the illegal seizure and logging of their lands. Turns a blind eye to the loggers and big farmers who kill, loot, burn, pillage and rape their way to bigger profits and more money, at the cost of the innocent lives of the indigenous Indians and the deforestation of the Rain forest still go unchecked. With COVID-19 now infecting and killing indigenous Indians (mainly from illegal loggers) with no immediate medical help being available, some are reporting this could amount to genocide.

"What's important is to live a good life while it lasts." Yeah, tell that to the indigenous Indians, as their lives suffer, so we can put a few more dollars in our pockets and buy the next piece of useless furniture from IKEA, that was illegally exploited from their livelihood. And yes "People live and they die, that's the way it always been and always will be. " (Obliviously, as another ISGer would put it, LOL). As Bolsonaro puts it, "So What?" ...Need I say anymore!

Brazil's healthcare system has been decimated since 2017 and expenditure has been slashed by $4.4 billion or a 1/3 of its current budget, thereby leaving any real defense to COVID-19, basically mute. In some regions, it is close to collapse from the sheer number of COVID-19 patients. By not locking down early, the pressures on a decaying health system is taking its toll and impacting other life saving medical procedures and in some cases thereby leaving the vulnerable to die. "he is not a young man, yet he shows no fear for this virus, . ". Yeah, easy to say when he's the president and has access to the best health care available, much like case with the Prime Minister of England. Tell that to an ailing patient in a run-down, deteriorating hospital in Manaus, with no ventilator machine...Yeah no wait, let me say it for you, "So What?

Unemployment and the economy were trending the downwards long before COVID-19 got to Brazil and were close to 2014 levels, pre- COVID-19, under his leadership. The growing fiscal deficit, raised the debt level to 77.1%. The Brazilian Real has plunged to record lows against the dollar and is in free fall and not primarily from COVID-19, but from Bolsonaro's mishandling and mismanagement of COVID-19 and internal affairs. His poor leadership is not instilling a great deal of confidence from investors and powerbrokers worldwide. Economic disaster, all under his leadership.

He is a truly a terrible and irresponsible leader / president when suggesting Brazilians tested positive for COVID-19 should take hydroxychloroquine (Cloroquina), when there is no medical evidence that it will cure COVID-19. He clearly is not medically qualified to give such advise and nor did his medical advisors, of which two have since resigned due to his inept leadership and unhinged, irrational decision making and leadership.

Politicians that ignore virus pathology, do so at their peril (or should I say, the poor, indigent and most vulnerable people do). Two decades ago we had SARS. Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Canada and others responsible world leaders, saw what was headed their way from China in the early days of the COVID-19, before it became a pandemic. To quota a biblical term, "The writing was on the wall". Yet other world leaders choose bury their proverbial heads in the sand. Many of these countries after a hard 2 to 3 month lock-down, have their economies already up and running.

"Courage is a trait of Greatness, that's something that Bolsonaro showed when he went against the world to do what's right for his country"- I wouldn't categorize this as anything thing other than, ignorance in the form of bloviating, pontificating and portraying a good example of, what NOT to do for the good of the country. With the death toll raising, approx. 75K [as of Jul 14th, 2020] (and by all accounts is way higher), it's not what I would associate with any traits of greatness, but if that's your idea of courage as a trait of greatness, so be it. I consider this to truly be a gross mismanagement, horrific ineptitude and terrible leadership, for a president. Yes definitely he's far from perfect, but he's LIGHT YEARS from being great.

So one guy thinks he's an a-hole, another thinks he's great and yet another thinks he's a bumbling inept and terrible political leader. Our subjective opinions aside, I reckon history will have the final say, or maybe (Admin) Jackson will... LOL!

Well I see Jackson has been busy...LOL! So if Jackson decides to delete this post and conversely the last several posts for which neither of us have added any pertinent information related to finding non-P4P or P4P action, then so be it.

PS: What this all basically means is, Bolsonaro's ineptitude is making it a whole lot harder for us to get back to that Brazilian Bunda, that we all love so much. As (I think) another fellow ISGer was trying to convey. Thought I would add this for clarification of relevance. LOL!

[WyattEarp]

Nobody comes to ISG to read a long winded political diatribe. As I figured out early into this outbreak, the coronavirus would be the perfect canvass for anyone to project their political beliefs. Everything and anything is to blame with absolute certainty and abject contempt on someone or some system.

[ShooBree]

To demonstrate courage is one thing. But to demonstrate stupidity by ignoring science and the expertise of public health officials is another. The subjective judgments of history in the decades to come will not be kind to either Bolsonaro or Trump.I'm not a doctor so correct me if I'm wrong; but in human history there's never been a virus that disappeared thanks to people going into quarantine. Short of a vaccine, herd immunity or letting it burn out are our only realistic options. It's looking good in San Marino, no other country have recorded a higher death rate but few other countries can say that they haven't had a COVID-19 death since 23 d of May. I like what I'm seeing, herd immunity for the win.

[Member #4732]

Nobody comes to ISG to read a long winded political diatribe. As I figured out early into this outbreak, the coronavirus would be the perfect canvass for anyone to project their political beliefs. Everything and anything is to blame with absolute certainty and abject contempt on someone or some system.The difference is that Spidy has facts back up his argument and the other has "myth". I will note only that Bolsonaro is almost exclusively supported by the evangelicals and wealthy classes. Non evangelicals generally hate him and all he represents to the extent that on twitter about 70% of the profiles state "don't waste my time if you are for Bozo" or some variant there of.

[Spidy]

Each individual has their reasons why they decide to read what they read. Read it or don't read it, that is your choice. I encourage everyone if they wish to do, to provide a counterpoints to subject matters that are put forth on this forum, if they feel its warranted. This provides a balance of information w/r to the conversation. That is after all why we come to this community forum.

If this subject matter is not to your liking, move on, don't read it.

[WyattEarp]

The difference is that Spidy has facts back up his argument and the other has "myth".I'm really not interested in debating Bolsonaro. Your "facts" are based on the premise that shutting down the economy and mostly focusing on the virus is the correct action. And yes, several countries have had some success with this approach. I'm not sure that Brazil is exactly in the same position as Western European countries with more wealth and general access to healthcare. My very liberal social media contacts keep emphasizing that we should pay everyone to stay home until there is a vaccine. I think anyone with a basic understanding of the economy knows that argument is a fallacy especially for Brazil.

As an American, I can tell you that compliance and tracing even in States with extreme lockdown measures has been difficult. So there is a cultural aspect in addition to the political. I suspect like California and Texas any State that loosens up will see cases significantly increase.

In the near-term, I watch the deaths not just case counts to see who is getting the virus and how well it is being treated. If we have a vaccine by the end of the year, the lockdowns will look like really smart public policy. If a vaccine isn't widely available until later in 2021 or it has some effectiveness issues, the lockdowns will look very differently in retrospect.

[George90]

I'm not a doctor so correct me if I'm wrong; but in human history there's never been a virus that disappeared thanks to people going into quarantine. Short of a vaccine, herd immunity or letting it burn out are our only realistic options. It's looking good in San Marino, no other country have recorded a higher death rate but few other countries can say that they haven't had a COVID-19 death since 23 d of May. I like what I'm seeing, herd immunity for the win.Except for what I heard a doctor explain yesterday.

To reach herd immunity, a population must have 70% to 80% of its members infected. The United States has a population of around 330 million people. Let's use the lower proportion of 70%, that yields 231 million infected Americans. COVID-19 has a death rate between 1% and 2%. That yields deaths in the range of 2.3 million to 4.6 million Americans. And that is the estimated cost in American lives of achieving herd immunity in the United States!

[ShooBree]

The difference is that Spidy has facts back up his argument and the other has "myth". I will note only that Bolsonaro is almost exclusively supported by the evangelicals and wealthy classes. Non evangelicals generally hate him and all he represents to the extent that on twitter about 70% of the profiles state "don't waste my time if you are for Bozo" or some variant there of.First you mention "myth", then you proceed to use Twitter as a source to make sweeping statements. Anyways, you do understand the difference between correlation and causation? You ever heard about the rock which keeps tigers away? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw.

Maybe what you see on Twitter says more about Twitter than anything else. That Bolsonaro would have won the election thanks to being "almost exclusively supported by the evangelicals and wealthy classes" is a rather amusing thought. You spoke about "facts" earlier, I'm curious to see your "facts" regarding this. Did you find a poll on Twitter? What percentage of the Brazilian population belongs to the "wealthy classes"?

Either way I don't see the point of such a statement, Evangelicals and the wealthy have the same right to vote as anyone else. Bolsonaro was democratically elected with the support of the Brazilian people.

[ShooBree]

Except for what I heard a doctor explain yesterday.

To reach herd immunity, a population must have 70% to 80% of its members infected. The United States has a population of around 330 million people. Let's use the lower proportion of 70%, that yields 231 million infected Americans. COVID-19 has a death rate between 1% and 2%. That yields deaths in the range of 2.3 million to 4.6 million Americans. And that is the estimated cost in American lives of achieving herd immunity in the United States!Actually we don't know the true mortality rate nor the limit required to reach immunity. What we do know is that the death rate depends on age and health. I've seen some experts say that the death rate is closer to 0. 1 % and that the threshold to reach herd immunity could be as low as 40%. The key is to isolate vulnerable groups and let the virus spread among the healthy where the mortality rate is appreciated to be much, much lower than 1-2%.

We also know that those who die are in many cases close to death anyways. People dying in nursery homes is awful, but if you can't even take care of yourself, then maybe your time on earth is over. The healthy survives, that's the key to evolution.

[George90]

Actually we don't know the true mortality rate nor the limit required to reach immunity. What we do know is that the death rate depends on age and health. I've seen some experts say that the death rate is closer to 0. 1 % and that the threshold to reach herd immunity could be as low as 40%. The key is to isolate vulnerable groups and let the virus spread among the healthy where the mortality rate is appreciated to be much, much lower than 1-2%.

We also know that those who die are in many cases close to death anyways. People dying in nursery homes is awful, but if you can't even take care of yourself, then maybe your time on earth is over. The healthy survives, that's the key to evolution.The Johns Hopkins University (JHU) is collecting data on the virus cases and deaths. As of this evening (July 17,2020, 7:00 pm) JHU estimates the US has 3,638,002 confirmed of COVID-19 cases and 139,175 deaths confirmed to be from COVID-19. A death rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases. The average death rate since the beginning of the pandemic in the US is 139,175 / 3,638,002 = 3.8%.

You need to read about epidemiology and learn exactly what herd immunity is. Please cite a physician who believes that herd immunity can be achieved with less than half the population infected and protected with anti-bodies.

[Member #4698]

The Johns Hopkins University (JHU) is collecting data on the virus cases and deaths. As of this evening (July 17,2020, 7:00 pm) JHU estimates the US has 3,638,002 confirmed of COVID-19 cases and 139,175 deaths confirmed to be from COVID-19. A death rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases. The average death rate since the beginning of the pandemic in the US is 139,175 / 3,638,002 = 3.8%.
The 3. 8% death rate you quote is not an accurate reading of the current situation and has been shown to be flawed and misleading. "In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26% of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.

Estimates for the coronavirus lethality have fallen so sharply because calculating the so-called infection fatality rate requires scientists and physicians to know both the total number of deaths and the total number of people infected."

Thus the actual death rate in the USA is estimated now to be between 0.1 % and 0.5% with the great amount of uncertainty still in these numbers due to the fact that no one knows the exact total number of Americans infected and recovered from the disease while we pretty much do know the number of fatalities.

So "while the CDC reports 2. 34 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus, the actual number of infected and recovered people may be closer to 50 million. CDC Director Robert Redfield told journalists Thursday that the number of cases may be 10 times higher than the earlier 2. 34 million. Thus, the death rate, which would be 5. 2 % based on that 2. 34 million figure, is actually more like 1/20 as high or 0. 26 %. " It is unfortunate that politics has entered into the scientific study of this pandemic. We live in strange times.

[ShooBree]

The Johns Hopkins University (JHU) is collecting data on the virus cases and deaths. As of this evening (July 17,2020, 7:00 pm) JHU estimates the US has 3,638,002 confirmed of COVID-19 cases and 139,175 deaths confirmed to be from COVID-19. A death rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of cases. The average death rate since the beginning of the pandemic in the US is 139,175 / 3,638,002 = 3.8%.

You need to read about epidemiology and learn exactly what herd immunity is. Please cite a physician who believes that herd immunity can be achieved with less than half the population infected and protected with anti-bodies.3.8% is a nummer based on that there are no hidden cases. Not especially likely.

"The threshold could be as low as 43-60% maybe you are the one who "need to read about epidemiology and learn exactly what herd immunity is".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp

[George90]

For those who support the notion of herd immunity, agree with claims of coronavirus not being as serious as the media, CDC, WHO and others imply, and believe in the credo of "Survival of the fittest. ", at least use stronger logic and reason in your arguments.


The 3. 8% death rate you quote is not an accurate reading of the current situation and has been shown to be flawed and misleading. "In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26% of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.The first sentence is correct. But I never claimed the estimated death rate computed was an accurate reading of the current situation. I claimed it was an average death rate for the entire US over the entire time of the pandemic. It is not age-adjusted. It is not race / ethnicity specific. It is not for March and April versus for May and June. There is indeed huge variation in the COVID-19 death rate across geography and socio-economic demographics.

I gave that estimate to challenge herd immunity supporters to satisfactorily explain (using observed data) how to arrive at a death rate of 0.1% starting from an observed death rate of 3.8%. I await that explanation.


Estimates for the coronavirus lethality have fallen so sharply because calculating the so-called infection fatality rate requires scientists and physicians to know both the total number of deaths and the total number of people infected."

Thus the actual death rate in the USA is estimated now to be between 0.1 % and 0.5% with the great amount of uncertainty still in these numbers due to the fact that no one knows the exact total number of Americans infected and recovered from the disease while we pretty much do know the number of fatalities.So get the total number of deaths from the CDC, get the total number of infected people from the CDC, and calculate the death rate. Show that it is between 0.1% and 0.5%, with your estimate of the uncertainty!.


So "while the CDC reports 2. 34 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus, the actual number of infected and recovered people may be closer to 50 million. CDC Director Robert Redfield told journalists Thursday that the number of cases may be 10 times higher than the earlier 2. 34 million. Thus, the death rate, which would be 5. 2 % based on that 2. 34 million figure, is actually more like 1/20 as high or 0. 26 %. " It is unfortunate that politics has entered into the scientific study of this pandemic. We live in strange times.You commit another logic error here. It is correct that the number of confirmed cases of infection is under-estimated. You failed to realize that the under-estimation of COVID cases necessarily means that the number of COVID deaths is likewise under-estimated. People have died, often at home, from COVID-19 but without the health authorities testing for the virus and therefore counting the death as caused by COVID-19.

Both the numerator and denominator of the death rate calculation are under-estimated. You stated that only the only the denominator is under-estimated leading to an inflated death rate. In fact, the death rate can also be over-estimated, or neither. It depends on the degree of under-estimated of the number of cases versus number of deaths.

I apologize for the long post and to those preferring different content. But I strongly feel (and I hope Jackson agrees) that this virus business is important to our hobby. We need to get the facts correct! We need to know and understand it well! We learned how to deal with HIV using condoms. But condoms won't stop the coronavirus. We can't get oral sex when she has a mask on. We need to be able to know and explain how she can't catch coronavirus from our dicks (I think). I hope everyone feels me on this.

[Member #4698]

It is correct that the number of confirmed cases of infection is under-estimated. You failed to realize that the under-estimation of COVID cases necessarily means that the number of COVID deaths is likewise under-estimated. People have died, often at home, from COVID-19 but without the health authorities testing for the virus and therefore counting the death as caused by COVID-19. <snip> Both the numerator and denominator of the death rate calculation are under-estimated. I disagree. In countries like the USA, Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and Singapore the number of deaths due to the Corona is very accurate and the number of unreported deaths due to Corona is statistically zero. In fact, in the USA there is some evidence to indicate that the recent number of deaths attributed to Corona in the last 30 days is over stated.

That said I would not be surprised if the number of deaths directly caused by Corona in countries like Brazil, Thailand, the Philippines are under reported for the exact reason you give. But then so is the far larger total number of positive cases. Furthermore, in the USA and similar countries. when someone dies. the family can't just bury the body or throw it down the incinerator. The health authorities are called in and a recorded cause of death is made.

So, once again it is the denominator ie the total number of cases that is key to understanding this pandemic. Due to the asymptomatic nature of this disease for millions and millions of people under the age of 50, who go unreported in the stats and don't even know they contracted the disease, the death rate you quote is in gross error.

[Exec Talent]

Some guys needs to get laid -- Bad!

[George90]

Some guys needs to get laid -- Bad!Yes, ET. And I guess I am one of those guys who badly needs to get laid! Alas! My destination of choice is Brazil, and things are not looking good there right now or in the near future.

[George90]

3.8% is a nummer based on that there are no hidden cases. Not especially likely.

"The threshold could be as low as 43-60% maybe you are the one who "need to read about epidemiology and learn exactly what herd immunity is".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.ampAgain, I apologize for continuing on this topic. There is still some relevancy for us. I decided to take my own advice and read more about herd immunity. I am pasting the following from the Mayo Clinic website.

Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know.

Why is herd immunity important?

Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely. As a result, the whole community becomes protected not just those who are immune.

Often, a percentage of the population must be capable of getting a disease in order for it to spread. This is called a threshold proportion. If the proportion of the population that is immune to the disease is greater than this threshold, the spread of the disease will decline. This is known as the herd immunity threshold.

What percentage of a community needs to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity? It varies from disease to disease. The more contagious a disease is, the greater the proportion of the population that needs to be immune to the disease to stop its spread. For example, the measles is a highly contagious illness. It's estimated that 94% of the population must be immune to interrupt the chain of transmission.

How is herd immunity achieved?

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 vaccines and infection.

Natural infection.

However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population - more than 200 million people - would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

[Spidy]

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population - more than 200 million people - would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.Thanks G90, "Herd Immunity" info is much appreciated.

[Zeos1]

Thanks G90, "Herd Immunity" info is much appreciated.The whole discussion of "herd immunity" is flawed as it applies to this pandemic. There is no natural herd immunity to many of the viruses that are problematic for humans. Except where there are vaccines. The whole concept was developed from / for vaccination programs. There is no "herd immunity" to the common cold (4 different coronaviruses), to any type of measles, to mumps, to smallpox, to chicken pox, to polio, . Etc. Etc. Viruses or bacteria. Only with vaccines. In theory there could be a natural herd immunity without vaccines, but I don't know of a single example. So. Not something we should hang our hopes on.

[Spidy]

The whole discussion of "herd immunity" is flawed as it applies to this pandemic. There is no natural herd immunity to many of the viruses that are problematic for humans. Except where there are vaccines...Oh, I'm very much aware. Thanks, but I'm not the one you should be telling.

[WyattEarp]

The whole discussion of "herd immunity" is flawed as it applies to this pandemic. There is no natural herd immunity to many of the viruses that are problematic for humans. Except where there are vaccines. The whole concept was developed from / for vaccination programs. There is no "herd immunity" to the common cold (4 different coronaviruses), to any type of measles, to mumps, to smallpox, to chicken pox, to polio, . Etc. Etc. Viruses or bacteria. Only with vaccines. In theory there could be a natural herd immunity without vaccines, but I don't know of a single example. So. Not something we should hang our hopes on.I believe a vaccine can be called a controlled, mild form of infection. I don't believe the common influenza vaccines are 100% effective, but with national vaccination campaigns you can starve the virus.

One of the scarier thoughts is that you can be infected by the coronavirus multiple times. Fortunately, I have not seen reports from what I consider the more reliable news outlets. It is likely (let's hope) that some patients were carrying around the virus and never really eradicated it from their system.

[Sperto]

If somebody wants to learn about Covid-19 I doubt they'll look in a monger forum. Wouldn't it be good if someone creates a Covid-19 thread in the Brazil forum? If somebody looks for information on sex travel throughout Brazil they have to to dig through many pages of Covid-19 information in the General Info and Rio de Janeiro thread.

[Jan 156]

Can I politely suggest, especially given the remit of our forum, that members maybe try to ignore posts about the Brasilian president.

There is a large proportion of the population, mostly but not all evangelicals (charismatic christians), who simply "believe" and voted accordingly. While that might seem nonsensical to the rest, not all of them are technically unintelligent in general matters, and some of the supporters of the current regime have academic qualifications in some field or other. All those believers cannot be persuaded otherwise It's a rather Brasilian phenomenon that we don't see on such a scale in other countries.

It doesn't affect the logistics of mongering (other than staying out of arguments and demonstrations). Nor does it affect your personal safety in a general sense. The So Paulo leaders for instance brought in much stricter responses that in many other areas, and in defiance of the edicts from above, with the result that many anti-covid-19 safety measures we're implemented faster than many western cities. Other parts of the country may not have the same leanings towards what most would call scientific precautions.

It would perhaps economize on scrolling if posts about the Brasilian President could even perhaps be thought of as clickbait, and just find a jeitinho around them. .

Stay safe, enjoy!

[FlcnHvy]

It looks as of now July 28th, the border closure has not been extended. I called the airline I'm booking a flight with, and they said, travel should be open if there is no change before the 29th. There have been no updates, but still waiting. Anyone have an update / opinion on this?

I'll be flying in from Portugal. (non-USA Citizen).

Cheers.

[SoberHans69]

Wow just read this article, would you be crazy to visit now?

https://www.traveloffpath.com/brazil-reopening-borders-for-tourism/

I'm guessing the termas and clubs aren't open yet?

[Nuupter]

Wow just read this article, would you be crazy to visit now?

https://www.traveloffpath.com/brazil-reopening-borders-for-tourism/

I'm guessing the termas and clubs aren't open yet?Want to go to Sao Paulo, but Scandallo and Bomboa is not open, so not sure of choices. Also, with termas closed in Rio, what is choices are there? The escort sites either has face blurred out or none piqued my interest.

[Rio Bob]

Want to go to Sao Paulo, but Scandallo and Bomboa is not open, so not sure of choices. Also, with termas closed in Rio, what is choices are there? The escort sites either has face blurred out or none piqued my interest.Escort sites have good amount of offerings:

https://www.barravipsrio.com/

http://hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html

[Nuupter]

Escort sites have good amount of offerings:

https://www.barravipsrio.com/

http://hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.htmlYes but those who have not have their faced blurred don't pique my interest. Would need to see them ao vivo.

[Hobbying]

Health Alert: August 27,2020.

Location: Brazil.

Event: Extension of Brazil Travel Restrictions on Land andSeaBorders.

Effective August 26, Brazil extended the restrictions on entry of foreigners by land (unless for transit) and sea, through at least September 24. The entry of foreign visitors traveling by air is currently permitted.

The August 26 decree changes previous requirements and now stipulates that foreign travelers entering Brazil by air, fora short stay of up to 90 days, must presentproof of purchase of health insurance, in English or Portuguese, that is valid in Brazilfor the entire period of the trip with minimum coverage of 30,000 Brazilian reaisto an airline agent prior to boarding. Failure to provide this could result in the denial of entry by Brazilian authorities.

Commercial flights between the United States and Brazil continue to operate on a regular basis and have been increasing in frequency. As flights are subject to change, please contact airlines directly for the most current schedule information. While Brazil has opened its border to visitors traveling by air, USA Citizens considering international travel should be aware that Brazil remains at a Level 4 Travel Advisory (Do Not Travel) and continues to experience high daily case numbers of COVID-19. The USA Mission in Brazil continues to encourage USA Citizens who wish to return to the United States to make commercial flight arrangements as soon as possible unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period.

Foreigners who are in a land border country and need to cross the border to takea flight back to their country of residence may enter Brazil with authorization from the Federal Police and must follow the below steps:

The foreigner must obtain an official note from the embassy or consulate of the country of citizenship (USA Citizens should reach out to the closest USA Embassy or Consulate General for assistance).

When crossing the border, the air tickets for the flight to the home country must be presented to the immigration official.

After approval of the request, the foreigner must go directly to the airport after crossing the land border.

Those in the following categories are exempt from the provisions in this decree:

Brazilian citizens, born or naturalized.

Permanent residents of Brazil.

National Immigration Registry Card Holders (Registro Nacional Migratório – RNM).

Foreign professionals employed by a non-governmental aid organization recognized by the Brazilian government.

Foreign officials, such as diplomats, accredited by the Brazilian government.

Spouse, domestic partner, son or daughter, father or mother, or caregiver of a Brazilian citizen.

Any person whose entrance into Brazil is deemed by the government to be in the public interest.

Travelers in transit in one of the following categories:

Cargo delivery.

Passengers required to disembark for aircraft refueling or repairs.

Flight crews.

Actions to Take:

Review the entire August 26 Brazilian government announcement (in Portuguese).

See the State Department's Level 4 Travel Advisory for Brazil.

If you have questions, visit the USA Embassy website on COVID-19 or contact the USA Embassy or Consulate General closest to you.

Follow the USA Mission to Brazil on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and Messages from the USA Embassy.

[BMo814]

Health Alert: August 27,2020.

Location: Brazil.

Event: Extension of Brazil Travel Restrictions on Land andSeaBorders.

Effective August 26, Brazil extended the restrictions on entry of foreigners by land (unless for transit) and sea, through at least September 24. The entry of foreign visitors traveling by air is currently permitted.

The August 26 decree changes previous requirements and now stipulates that foreign travelers entering Brazil by air, fora short stay of up to 90 days, must presentproof of purchase of health insurance, in English or Portuguese, that is valid in Brazilfor the entire period of the trip with minimum coverage of 30,000 Brazilian reaisto an airline agent prior to boarding. Failure to provide this could result in the denial of entry by Brazilian authorities.

Commercial flights between the United States and Brazil continue to operate on a regular basis and have been increasing in frequency. As flights are subject to change, please contact airlines directly for the most current schedule information. While Brazil has opened its border to visitors traveling by air, USA Citizens considering international travel should be aware that Brazil remains at a Level 4 Travel Advisory (Do Not Travel) and continues to experience high daily case numbers of COVID-19. The USA Mission in Brazil continues to encourage USA Citizens who wish to return to the United States to make commercial flight arrangements as soon as possible unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period.

Foreigners who are in a land border country and need to cross the border to takea flight back to their country of residence may enter Brazil with authorization from the Federal Police and must follow the below steps:

The foreigner must obtain an official note from the embassy or consulate of the country of citizenship (USA Citizens should reach out to the closest USA Embassy or Consulate General for assistance).

When crossing the border, the air tickets for the flight to the home country must be presented to the immigration official.

After approval of the request, the foreigner must go directly to the airport after crossing the land border.

Those in the following categories are exempt from the provisions in this decree:

Brazilian citizens, born or naturalized.

Permanent residents of Brazil.

National Immigration Registry Card Holders (Registro Nacional Migratrio RNM).

Foreign professionals employed by a non-governmental aid organization recognized by the Brazilian government.

Foreign officials, such as diplomats, accredited by the Brazilian government.

Spouse, domestic partner, son or daughter, father or mother, or caregiver of a Brazilian citizen.

Any person whose entrance into Brazil is deemed by the government to be in the public interest.

Travelers in transit in one of the following categories:

Cargo delivery.

Passengers required to disembark for aircraft refueling or repairs.

Flight crews.

Actions to Take:

Review the entire August 26 Brazilian government announcement (in Portuguese).

See the State Department's Level 4 Travel Advisory for Brazil.

If you have questions, visit the USA Embassy website on COVID-19 or contact the USA Embassy or Consulate General closest to you.

Follow the USA Mission to Brazil on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.

Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and Messages from the USA Embassy.I got one for a millones dollars just to make sure they wouldn't say shit LOL.

[XXL]

Flight is booked. Only hope Brazil will not close its airspace at the last minute.

Could someone tell me whether the following items are available without a prescription in Brazil:

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone).

Minoxidil (topical) for hair growth.

Sagami 0. 002 condoms.

[Exec Talent]

Flight is booked. Only hope Brazil will not close its airspace at the last minute.

Could someone tell me whether the following items are available without a prescription in Brazil:

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone).

Minoxidil (topical) for hair growth.

Sagami 0. 002 condoms.DHEA -- doubt you will find this steroid in a pharmacy.

Minoxidil should not be a problem.

I have used most of the major pharmacies and even have discount cards. I like the website for this one:

https://www.drogariavenancio.com.br/

As for the Sagami Japanese condoms, you might want to buy a supply locally or online before you leave.

I would be careful using eBay though, this was what I found in the description:

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Sagami Japan Original 002 Very Thin Condoms.

Keep in mind that pharmacy clerks get a commission (which is why they will often throw a tag in your basket). Prices can be negotiated though I have never tried to do this in English. Many of the clerks do speak English, but they may suddenly not understand you.

[Hobbying]

Flight is booked. Only hope Brazil will not close its airspace at the last minute.

Could someone tell me whether the following items are available without a prescription in Brazil:

DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone).

Minoxidil (topical) for hair growth.

Sagami 0. 002 condoms.Go to an independently owned pharmacy, they can give you things much easier.

[DreamCarnarvon]

Go to an independently owned pharmacy, they can give you things much easier.Can you explain what do you mean by independently owned pharmacies? When I was in Brazil last year, I only noticed chain drugstores such as DrogaRaia, Drogasil, etc.

[Hobbying]

Can you explain what do you mean by independently owned pharmacies? When I was in Brazil last year, I only noticed chain drugstores such as DrogaRaia, Drogasil, etc.Look for compounding pharmacies.

[PussyRiot]

Any feedback on American Airline or Delta to Brazil will be appreciated.

Only have used Copa Airline when flying but found out my credit card offered free flight to Brazil using these two airlines.

Looking for feedback on items such as cancelling flight, being on-time and entertainment system (available TV) on the plane.

[Exec Talent]

Gringo A is a world-class jerk. When he enters a centro building he thinks he is sneaking past the doormen unnoticed and never acknowledges them. He knocks on doors he read about in a two-year old post. Pretty soon someone calls down the doormen about him. The doormen call a few of the private apartments to warn them about him suggesting they not open their doors. They may even chase him off or let their buddies in other buildings know about him. He thinks Brazil sucks.

Gringo be is a nice guy. When he enters a centro building he stops and chats with the doormen. He jokingly asks if there are any new hot women working. They tell him about a couple apartments that are not on any list. He goes through the halls quietly so as not to disturb anyone; he might even take an elevator to a few floors above an apartment and walk down since he knows a lot of elevator traffic to the same floor draws unwanted attention. He is smart enough to know that while Prostitution is legal in Brazil, running a private apartment brothel is not. He stops by and chats with the doormen before he leaves the building. Brazil is awesome.

[Rio Bob]

Any feedback on American Airline or Delta to Brazil will be appreciated.

Only have used Copa Airline when flying but found out my credit card offered free flight to Brazil using these two airlines.

Looking for feedback on items such as cancelling flight, being on-time and entertainment system (available TV) on the plane.Both of those airlines are probably very similar in service maybe with Delta being a touch better. Maybe it depends on where you're flying from. With a long flight like to Brazil either airline is going to suck sitting in coach. I primarily fly on American Airlines and have significant amount of miles with them that I have accumulated and use them for upgrades or purchasing business class tickets outright. In business class the food is mediocre, the booze is decent and the seats lie flat for ultimate comfort on a long haul flight. You probably wouldn't be able to tell much difference between either one.

[JohnReter335]

Want to go to Sao Paulo, but Scandallo and Bomboa is not open, so not sure of choices. Also, with termas closed in Rio, what is choices are there? The escort sites either has face blurred out or none piqued my interest.Yeah escort sites mostly the escort sites have blurred faces of there models and most of them are just scams they cheat you but some site they send the original as in the picture.

[PussyRiot]

Both of those airlines are probably very similar in service maybe with Delta being a touch better. Maybe it depends on where you're flying from. With a long flight like to Brazil either airline is going to suck sitting in coach. I primarily fly on American Airlines and have significant amount of miles with them that I have accumulated and use them for upgrades or purchasing business class tickets outright. In business class the food is mediocre, the booze is decent and the seats lie flat for ultimate comfort on a long haul flight. You probably wouldn't be able to tell much difference between either one.Thanks for the feedback.

[PussyRiot]

Anyone having any issue with this site?

Each time when I am logging in, there is security page to make sure I am human.

[WyattEarp]

Anyone having any issue with this site?

Each time when I am logging in, there is security page to make sure I am human.Yes, I have to go through two screens of CAPTCHA to get into the site. This started about a month or two ago for me. Changing browsers doesn't seem to matter. This has something to do with our virus protection and / or a USA ISP firewall. I'm going to try to figure out how to avoid this. It is, however, better than a few years ago where I had to use a proxy server to access the website.

[Questner]

Argentinian Minister of Transportation indicated that international flights between Brazil and Argentina may resume after October 1, 2020. This is only a hint at this time, and the plans are to resume flights to Paraguay and Uruguay first (flights will be available between those two countries from September 15,2020) followed by Chile and Brazil.

[TravelBug2020]

Anyone have real time intel on Copacabana and Ipanema beach? Heading down end of October, and wanting to relax on the beach and their beach bars with a few drinks. News is inconsistent. Saying beach closed until vaccine. But recent holiday pics showed beaches packed.

[WyattEarp]

Anyone have real time intel on Copacabana and Ipanema beach? Heading down end of October, and wanting to relax on the beach and their beach bars with a few drinks. News is inconsistent. Saying beach closed until vaccine. But recent holiday pics showed beaches packed.Check out the beach cams tomorrow Saturday. There are a few people on the beach now, but it's later in the afternoon and it might be a bit cloudy. Rio is currently New York time plus one.

https://www.earthcam.com/brazil/riodejaneiro/?cam=rio_copacabana

[Sperto]

Anyone have real time intel on Copacabana and Ipanema beach? Heading down end of October, and wanting to relax on the beach and their beach bars with a few drinks. News is inconsistent. Saying beach closed until vaccine. But recent holiday pics showed beaches packed.
Don't take it personal, WyattEarp, but that's misinformation. I don't trust media, I trust my carioca amigos. The beaches have been packed during the holiday/last weekend (Brazil National day on past Monday). The brazilians are supermen when they put on a homemade face mask. Listen to Bolsonary, Brazil has won over Covid-19 and is one of the countries that have suffered least. Jair is meio louco, but he has a point. Not making a major lockdown will help Brasil. Wait and see. I think Brasil's 2:nd wave won't be significant. Herd immunity. Anyway, feel free to call me a covard, but I'm thinking of staying far away from Brasil the coming winter. The first time in 30 years.

[WyattEarp]

Don't take it personal, WyattEarp, but that's misinformation. I don't trust media, I trust my carioca amigos. The beaches have been packed during the holiday/last weekend (Brazil National day on past Monday)............I'm not sure what post of mine you are referencing. I have not said the beaches aren't full. I told our young first-timer he could check out the beach cams on a weekend to see what's going on.

[TreeTopFlyr]

Any feedback on American Airline or Delta to Brazil will be appreciated.

Only have used Copa Airline when flying but found out my credit card offered free flight to Brazil using these two airlines.

Looking for feedback on items such as cancelling flight, being on-time and entertainment system (available TV) on the plane.I flew American Airline Miami to GRU arriving 5 am Thursday. Fairly new 777 with meal and free beer and wine service. The flight was about 8 hours, the plane was 25% full. I had 3 seats and folded armrests to lay prone and sleep. At GRU I filled out no forms, only showed my passport and medical insurance docs. Stamped and "Welcome to Brazil" I don't remember an easier entry ever. My checked bag was on the carousel waiting. I walked thru the "Nothing to declare" portal and that was it. Airport cash currency exchange was a very low, I believe 4. 6 to the dollar. I went out the front door and immediately to the right at the center island is the Uber waiting area. I ordered an uber to my airbnb and in two minutes, was on my way.

[The Cane]

I flew American Airline Miami to GRU arriving 5 am Thursday. Fairly new 777 with meal and free beer and wine service. The flight was about 8 hours, the plane was 25% full. I had 3 seats and folded armrests to lay prone and sleep. At GRU I filled out no forms, only showed my passport and medical insurance docs. Stamped and "Welcome to Brazil" I don't remember an easier entry ever. My checked bag was on the carousel waiting. I walked thru the "Nothing to declare" portal and that was it. Airport cash currency exchange was a very low, I believe 4. 6 to the dollar. I went out the front door and immediately to the right at the center island is the Uber waiting area. I ordered an uber to my airbnb and in two minutes, was on my way.What exactly did you show in terms of "medical insurance docs"? I understand that a simple medical insurance card won't do, and that you need something in Portuguese or English that specifically indicates that you're covered for COVID-19. Is that correct?

[TreeTopFlyr]

What exactly did you show in terms of "medical insurance docs"? I understand that a simple medical insurance card won't do, and that you need something in Portuguese or English that specifically indicates that you're covered for COVID-19. Is that correct?I purchased Brazil specific health insurance again with specific covid coverage in Brazil for the entire length of my stay. The company is Seven Corners, and they were touted as one of the reliable carriers when I did my research. The documents are in English and state all areas of coverage and amounts in USD. I don't remember what the low end amount of coverage that is required by Brazil, but it wasn't high. I purchased a higher end package because the extra cost was very small. The immigration lady checked amonts of coverage and dates, and my Brazil visa expires on the last day of insurance coverage. I don't know if cards from other resources are valid.

[Combo]

I flew American Airline Miami to GRU arriving 5 am Thursday. Fairly new 777 with meal and free beer and wine service. The flight was about 8 hours, the plane was 25% full. I had 3 seats and folded armrests to lay prone and sleep. At GRU I filled out no forms, only showed my passport and medical insurance docs. Stamped and "Welcome to Brazil" I don't remember an easier entry ever. My checked bag was on the carousel waiting. I walked thru the "Nothing to declare" portal and that was it. Airport cash currency exchange was a very low, I believe 4. 6 to the dollar. I went out the front door and immediately to the right at the center island is the Uber waiting area. I ordered an uber to my airbnb and in two minutes, was on my way.That's good to hear! Please keep us updated on how your trips goes.

[Hobbying]

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s-0909-covid-19-entry-strategy-air-passengers.html

[The Cane]

Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo? I find this video offers some useful comparisons. There are lots of similarities as well as differences actually. The guy's voice and cadence is kind of annoying, but there is some good info here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWx3ZqvGd1I

Now, I say why choose if you have not experienced either? Like he says in the video, try both to see which one tickles your fancy the most. That way, you'll never have to be guessing about the one versus the other. Each city is a short plane ride from the other. And each offers solid mongering options. So like they used to say at the old brick and mortar library. Check it out! Me personally? I will always try to incorporate both into any future itinerary to Brazil I follow.

By the way, here's a great video all on Rio: https://youtu.be/UqZOE2keJdY.

[WyattEarp]

Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo? I find this video offers some useful comparisons. There are lots of similarities as well as differences actually.You and I have been around the Brazil forum for a few years. I kind of get tired by every newbie who stumbles on to this site and reads only enough to figure out RJ and SP are the two primary Brazilian monger destinations. Their first question is:

"Umm, like a, which city is a better place to visit?

If one RTFF, it should be easy to decide which city to visit or whether to visit both. The two cities are not anything alike. The general similarities is that they are large, populated with Brazilians and they both have many mongering opportunities. (Okay, okay SP likely has more.) Then there is always some yokel who's surprised Sao Paulo doesn't have a beach.

If after reading the fucking forum (RTFF) you can't decide, I can only presume the extent of your travels is Las Vegas and sitting in the back of your Dad's SUV en-route to the Grand Canyon.

I think I am going to start a new thread called "Sao Paulo vs. Rio de Janeiro Comparison".

[The Cane]

You and I have been around the Brazil forum for a few years. I kind of get tired by every newbie who stumbles on to this site and reads only enough to figure out RJ and SP are the two primary Brazilian monger destinations. Their first question is:

"Umm, like a, which city is a better place to visit?

If one RTFF, it should be easy to decide which city to visit or whether to visit both. The two cities are not anything alike. The general similarities is that they are large, populated with Brazilians and they both have many mongering opportunities. (Okay, okay SP likely has more.) Then there is always some yokel who's surprised Sao Paulo doesn't have a beach.

If after reading the fucking forum (RTFF) you can't decide, I can only presume the extent of your travels is Las Vegas and sitting in the back of your Dad's SUV en-route to the Grand Canyon.That's one reason why I posted this. But then again, somebody would still have to RTFF to benefit from the basic information. Sigh!