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R Brandon,
I was wondering if you could post a pic of your current fave at Oasis?
TIA
NB
Jaimito Cartero
06-13-06, 16:52
This is the Siomara that I know.
I would guess that it's actually Xiomara. I've never run into many women with names beginning with an X, but I've seen plenty here!
Jaimito Cartero
06-13-06, 16:57
I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)
I just got back from Costa Rica and while there I was in Jaco Beach for 4 days.
Of course I hung out at the Beatle Bar. Where else? And to my surprize I heard (while there) that the famous Beatle Bar was up for sale. Don't know the asking price, but I will bet if it's true, the the price is pretty hefty.
Actually met another Gringo there. He know who he is. Who was negeoating with the owner of the Beatle Bar - Jack - to buy it.
I do not know if any of this true or not. I merely know what I heard. Going around. I did speak with the owner- Jack, and he would not confirm or deny this, but merely said, ..."this place has more than paid for itself many times over". "and ..."I am ready to do some other things".
Beatle Bar - For Sale or Not. Maybe
My opinion:
Why pay six or seven figures in USDollars for an investment that has already 'peaked'. And then some.
My advice: Go down the street buy a nice place for much cheaper, and develope it into something better than the Beatle Bar.
I am planning on moving either to Jaco Beach or Panama in the next few months. I have not yet decided where - yet!
But I will be looking for new opportunities for that can be developed into something better.
And I also will be looking for a nice house or apartment (bungalow type place) to rent.
Steve
I know we have some members in town and there must be some things going on....so please for those of us stuck here at home, can you please posts some reports. I know everyone is busy getting their cocks sucked but a five min. report for us cant get you off schedule ! When the asian reports out number the san jose reports 20 to 1 its time to beg for some reports....Member 2666 and sun devil ...where are you...? on that other site ...many posts about the clubs and the ladies (and the americans being robbed) but this is the site i tell most of my friends to look at before going to a new place (either for the ladies or to learn about the area) i have stopped wishing their will be some new photos ....i just want to read some posts....i cant make my next trip until aug. and i will promise to post every other day...
Did one of you guys post this??
http://costarica.craigslist.org/cas/170703122.html
Member #2041
06-17-06, 20:16
I suspect that one of us would have provided more information so that the lady could narrow it down. As it is, there will be 20-40 guys at the Del Rey that fit the description.
Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places. Check out hte Centro Comercial del Pueblo. Lots of clubs in one place. Some of the same girls in the Blue Marlin go to party in those clubs. I've seen it! Good hunting you lucky b*st*rds!!
We are planning a trip to CR for July and would like to get some suggestions on "friendly" hotels. Here is a list of ones that I have checked on rates so far.
Best Western San Jose Downtown
Hotel Santo Tomas
Best Western Irazu
Balmoral Hotel
Barcelo Rincon Del Valle
Clarion Hotel Amon Downtown
Hotel Parque Del Lago
Gran Hotel Costa Rica
Rebel Monger
06-18-06, 17:24
Did one of you guys post this??
http://costarica.craigslist.org/cas/170703122.htmlIMHO, that was posted by either a troll or a feminazi. Any thinking mind would know that most of the girls at the BM do not read English!
Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places.I'm not sure that is so true these days, given the crime in that vicinity. Its getting to the point where there's no such thing as "walking distance to the BM", at least not at night the way that neighborhood is getting. Of course they could stay at the Hotel Del Rey itself and be able to just safely walk down the stairs, but then they'd face the same choice of cab or dangerous walk every single time they went out in the evening. As it is, since cabs are a good idea anywhere at night, and since the BM is not the be all and end all of SJ mongering. Anywhere within a reasonable short cabride of the city center is fine - as long as it is also chica friendly.
I'm also not sure what you mean by the plaza central either. I think you mean the Plaza de la CULTURA which is 3 blocks SW of the HDR next to the National Theatre. There is also a PARQUE Central that is 3 blocks even further than that in a perhaps even more dangerous area.
Finally, I'm not sure where Silent Nited came up with his list of options since only about half of them have ever been mentioned on this board as even remotely chica-friendly and only 1 or 2 have ever been mentioned in the "top ranks" of such hotels, but here is my own review:
BW Downtown - chica friendly, rough neighborhood in the Zona Roja but close to a lot of cheap daytime tico MP's
Santo Tomas - B&B tourist type place not normally thought of as a monger place, about halfway between the Amon and the plaza.
BW Irazu - reasonably chica friendly but WAAAYYY outside the Gulch or even downtown meaning a long and few dollar cab ride anytime you go anywhere.
Balmoral - great location but decidedly NOT chica friendly with a $20 guest fee every time you bring one back.
Barceló Rincón del Valle - a businessman's type hotel in the PAseo Colon area not far from Sabana Park. Not close to most monger venues but there are several good tico MP's on the back street's in the nearby area if you have a map and know where you're going. Not sure if or what they might charge for a guest fee.
Clarion Amon - between the Zona Roja and Amon districts about 5-6 blocks north of the Plaza but only 1 block from Zona Blue and 2 from New Fantasy and chica friendly as long as you're discrete. A favorite of many vets if you get the casino discount.
Parque Del Lago - another Barceló business hotel located next to Sabana Park. Same comments apply.
Gran Hotel - good location right at the Plaza Cultura (or central :)), but aging rooms and definitely not chica friendly.
Your best bet on this list is the Clarion Amon if you get the casino discount. A few other GUEST FRIENDLY hotels that are popular with most mongers include the Presidente (guys don't get started on that), Morazon, Castillo, Sportsmen's Lodge.
After many reports of the muggings going on next to the bm...i have always stayed at the morzan hotel and always walk back...all hours of the nite....yes many times i have felt eyes on me and the door to the hotel is always in site and as i read many many reports about gringos getting mugged a half block away from the b.m. I will not be staying at the morzan any more !! i will stay at a place will i have no choice but to take a cab home...i feel as the area will right it self either by the bad guys getting caught or the bussiness around that area will make some improvements either way i feel it will stop.They have a great things going and to stop crime in such a little area that has so many gringos who spend money cant be that hard of a task...look at tj mexico they put a police sub station on the street where all the action is , you see and feel the police present as you chase the *****s ...that parking lot next to the horseshoe would work...or just a simple task of putting up cameras in that area would help...yes we live here in the us and after 1 attack we would change the area the next day and make it safer and harder for the bad guys to do their bussiness ....WHERE ARE ALL THE REPORTS ABOUT SAN JOSE...??? COME ON GUYS STOP FUCKING FOR 5 MINS AND WRITE A REPORT....
what the hell is going on. One post in the last week. And it was mine and it sucked. It was a call out to some members to take 2 mins to posts of some going ons in san jose! And nothing, not even 1 post. I enjoy this site but the only info I can get is on thailand and mostly the rest of asia. Hell even mexico gets more info then costa rica and that place sucks. Now that all there is to read is about thailand I am making plans for my next trip to Bangkok (after san jose) in aug. Member 2666 are you still alive. Sun devil where are you? Somebody, anybody write something. On crt there are many many posts. But to read how "GREAT" the sportsmen lodge is on every other posts gets old. The 5 times times I been in that place I seen a total of 4 girls. 5 to 6 at best. And never any of these wild parties I read about. Either my timing is always bad or the girls are hiding when I walk in? Did you know there is some action being taken to make the area aroung the be. M mokey bar safer for us. Any improvements would be better. Heard alot of talk about MUSES that place is a gold mine. But on the other site they were giving bad reports. I kinda of lucked in to that place my last day (last trip) and got some hot girls for a great price. Anyone else have any luck there?
From A.M. Costa Rica on line newspaper today:
Intensive raid being planned at Del Rey and environs
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff
Law enforcement officers are about to clean up the area around the Hotel Del Rey, according to Johnny Araya, mayor of San José.
The mayor is moving against the Del Rey's general geographical area because he thinks it is one of the two spots in the city where the average Costa Rican is at risk.
Araya made his comments during an interview program on Radio Monumental Monday morning. He said a law enforcement task force would have moved already against the persons who frequent the Del Rey area except that Fernando Berrocal, the security minister, was hospitalized briefly.
He said the other danger area for Costa Ricans is on the Paseo de la Vacas in the northwest section of town. That is an area inhabited principally by persons from the Dominican Republic.
Expats and North American tourists have been complaining about the environs along Avenida 1 and Calle 9 for months. The area has been the scene of muggings and holdups, although the bulk of the crimes are not reported.
Sex tourists escort women from the Del Rey to hotels along the Pedestrian Boulevard and are vulnerable to gangs of muggers. Several readers have commented on the situation, and one said that the muggers integrate themselves into the lines of people waiting for buses until a victim comes by.
Araya said that many of those professionals who use the Del Rey as a place to arrange meetings for prostitution have false identity papers. He said they are mainly Colombians, Dominicans and Haitians. He said checking out these individuals and those vendors and others who congregate outside the hotel, nearby casinos and bars is a priority.
He said that he was to have a meeting later Monday with top police officials to plan the operation. He did not say when but sometime over the weekend is a likely time.
He was meeting with officials from the Judicial Investigating Organization, the Fuerza Pública and his own Policía Municipal. He said he also would seek help from the Dirección General de Migración to handle foreigners.
Immigration agents and police sometimes conduct raids that enter the first floor of the Del Rey where a casino, slot machines and two bars are located. Persons who do not have adequate identification are detained.
But Araya seemed to be taking about a much more intensive operation. And he specifically wanted to target the many people who hang around the street corners. Some are said to sell drugs and others are said to pimp minors.
The fact that the minister of Gobernación, Policía y Seguridad Pública, Berrocal, will be part of the operation suggests that it is not the normal Saturday night sweep
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So carry a photo copy of your passport and entry stamp.
TummySangs
06-27-06, 20:37
I like to have kinda rough sex,bite a little bit,get bitten a little bit etc etc. Does anyone how do you ask for this in Spanish and is this possible when you p4p?
Because most of the times these chicks don't even let you scuk a little hard on their boobs. :)
That is good news, but it was posted over an hour earlier by Diablo at another forum (not that we don't appreciate KYJ updating this site too. More significant, since then not a single reaction here but over 30 additional posts in that one thread alone at another forum. Even more surprising for Chilimike is not a single one of those 30 replies in less than 10 hours made any mention of the sportsmen lodge let alone how "GREAT" it is.
My main comment regarding the article itself is this: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. It sounds like the mayor's solution is as much to come down on and clean up what is going down in the HDR as what is happening on the corner. I doubt very much any undocumented chica from Colombia, Nica or anywhere else has much to do with what is going down on the streets, but they will certainly pay a price with this campaign and therefore indirectly so will we. I also seriously doubt the guys doing these robberies are illegal aliens either and in any event will just run for cover when the paddy wagons show up. What they need to do is to post a couple of policeman in that area continuously in much the same way they did in Morazon Park. that way not only will the criminal elements be driven off they will stay away as long as the cops are there. About the only positive thing I can see in this plan is if in addition to rousting illegal aliens they also disperse the crowds of beggars, drugpushers and ne'er-do-wells from in front of that hotel.
Now if you'll excuse me, I gonna go look for that Haitian hooker at the Del Rey. I must have missed her in all my previous visits. :)
SanJoseFan
06-27-06, 23:11
Vry intresting news. I will be in San Jose for the third between July 3rd and July 7th staying at Sportsmens Lodge but certainly putting some time in the Blue Marlin. A very good tip about carrying photocopy of passport and entry stamp will make sure to do that.
I have never had any trouble with the homelss/drug dealers on the way to and from Sportsmen and Presidente where I have stayed in the past but agree that a serious crack down WAS and is needed. Here's hoping that the girls aren't the target and the street scum is
I've never had to deal with the policia in Costa Rica before my question is my Spanish stinks how bad are they at harrasing gringo's with English only communciaton skills?
Your best bet is to get a hotel ear the plaza central in downtown. waliking distance to the Blue Marlin and a short cab ride to other places. Check out hte Centro Comercial del Pueblo. Lots of clubs in one place. Some of the same girls in the Blue Marlin go to party in those clubs. I've seen it! Good hunting you lucky b*st*rds!!Are these hotels chica freindly?
Are most hotels kool with bringing a chica back?
are these hotels chica freindly?
are most hotels kool with bringing a chica back?RC, read my post. All hotels are NOT created equal. Some hotels are definitely chica friendly and some are definitely not and some fall somewhere in between. Your best bet before throwing out a list of places you picked at random on travelocity or priceline is to RTFF. Scanning back even just a few pages will give you the idea of the hotels most commonly favored by guys on this board. There is also a special thread just on hotel recommendations with at last count 124 seperate posts (you might have to scroll down on the costa rica page past all the other threads that have been checked off to remain at the top). Finally, you can use the search feature to look up posts with the terms "chica friendly hotel" in them. Silent Nited was a newbie. I'm a little surprised I have to tell another senior member how to use the forum. Some of the more popular SJ hotels for mongers include the Hotel Del Rey (of course, but certainly not one of my choices), the Presidente, the Sportsmen's Lodge, the Clarion Amon Plaza, the Castillo, the Best Western Downtown.
Wow....what is going on....san jose reports and photos ...just like old times...with my trip 6 weeks away its great to see some posts on our board. Maybe this is the start of something, on that other site i have seen the police are out and about & around the horseshoe and monkey bar. Also they are checking for papers on us and the girls alike....havnt heard of any muggings in the last few weeks so maybe its working....I heard the monkey bar is closed down...is that true..? not that i ever go in there, or its that great ...maybe they will put something in there that will work (maybe a daytime strip bar so we have something else to do during the day) i could sit at the bar and watch some girls dance and strip and throw down some cheap beers...
I'm planning my first trip to CR and am wonderinf if Hotel Don Carlos would be a good olace for a few days in San Jose. How far fro Gring Gulch? Chica friendly? Air-conditioning etc.
Any comments are appreciated.
I'm planning my first trip to CR and am wonderinf if Hotel Don Carlos would be a good olace for a few days in San Jose. How far fro Gring Gulch? Chica friendly? Air-conditioning etc.
Any comments are appreciated.Close to Gringo Gulch. Not chica friendly. No A/C but not really needed. Nice place if all you want to do is go out to bars, MP's and strip clubs (room #10 is directly across the street from New Fantasy) but go somewhere else if you plan to bring chicas back to your room.
WilliamWalker
07-10-06, 12:51
The reliable Hotel Del Rey is always available for first time visitors who read this board. I recommend it for a first time visitor.
William Walker
Member #2041
07-11-06, 01:15
Barrabas2, for similar rates and quality, and a MUCH more chica friendly environment in the same neighborhood as the Don Carlos, I recommend Sportsmen's Lodge.
Johnny Sax
07-22-06, 00:35
arrived on the redeye taca flight monday morning. i had work/business to do each day from around 7am until 7pm (including transportation time) so i did not participate in any daytime activities; my mongering was confined to evenings.
i stayed at the morazan because it's close to the action and they offer a rate of $35/night with the tico times coupon, plus tax plus safe key fee of $3/day. they said there was a chica fee of $10 but i am pretty sure they did not charge it to my wingman nor i; i will have to double check but pretty sure they did not charge this. so the morazan is a great choice right now. my only complaint is that the showers there suck, at least in some (most?) rooms. my room often only had hot water only, so i had to stand to the side and fan water on to myself, or it would burn me. my friend had similar problems with his shower. i complained and they said there was nothing they could do about it, they were having problems in the whole hotel. also i do not like ricky/ricardo at all, the guy is very pushy about insisting he take your bags for you and get your taxi for you to the airport and i prefer to do it myself. other than that, you can't beat the price, and the rooms aren't bad at all. they even replaced the keyboard in the lobby so the internet is once again usable there. in feb. the keyboard was so bad i could hardly use it, and 2 of the rooms i had were smelly and had toilet problems. this time was much better overall.
day 1:
after i got my bidnez out of the way, i went over to new fantasy to check it out. the selection was quite good and out of about 8 girls on the bench, there were 2-3 that i would have chosen. however our mission was to introduce my friend to zona blue, so we moved on down the street. i love new fantasy's saunas and private lockers but am not wild about having to choose the girls from a room with little or no interaction first. too much like a "who--house", i prefer the bar set-up at zb and idem.
i didn't see much that i wanted at zb that night, and mostly i wanted a good massage. i asked the bartender and she recommended a tall girl named paola i think it was, but she did not appeal to me. there was a cute girl with jet black curly long hair across the room who kept smiling at me, and that's always a good sign, so i finally chose her. her name is marcela and though her body is not ideal, she was within acceptable proportions. mostly i found her face adorable and her hair was very attractive. let me say right here, i go for #1: attitude; #2: face; and #3 body. of course i never go for fat chicks, but some guys would say some of the chicks i pick have a little too much tummy. i do this not because i like big tummies (i don't), but because the attitude and face are more important to me.
by the way, marcela told me that the bartender always has one of two favorites and will recommend them over anyone else. this is really not fair to the other girls, so don't necessarily go with the recommendations of the bartender. i wonder if she gets a kickback...?
anyway, marcela gave a pretty good massage, was very kind and sweet, and her sex skills were quite good if not the best. all in all i was very satisfied for $40 (with my discount card from another site), and gave her a nice tip. she also let me take photos and you can see those in the photos forum when i get around to posting them.
having arrived on the redeye flight that morning, i went to bed early so that was the extent of my mongering that night. i did go over to the bm with my wingman just to hang with him and check out the selection and see if any of my favorites were there, but i left around 10pm to sleep.
day 2:
around 7pm-8pm we headed over to idem. the selection was quite good, the only thing i don't like about that place is that they don't allow the girls to "circulate" to introduce themselves to you, and often they are sitting the whole time which does not give you a chance to see their bodies, and you have to call them over to you if you want to talk to them or see them better. their rooms are also not as nice as either nf or zb. but no big deal. it's still a good deal if you get a good chica. one of the girls there told me the manager does not allow them to "bother" the men because some men don't like that.
how do you guys feel about this? i know that the girls at the bm can be a little bothersome at times, but it's easy enough to say "no, i'm waiting for someone else". personally, i like having the girls come over or walk by so i can check them out and talk to them if i want to. if they just sit there, it doesn't give me much opportunity to see if i have chemistry with them or if they have a good attitude.
anyway, i had a drink there and i was fascinated by a little spinner i saw when i came in. i did not get a good look at her due to the above reasons, but i finally called her over. her face was not the greatest, but i love little petite chicas and i liked her hair and her smile and she seemed to have a good attitude. so what the hell, even though i probably would have chosen another if i'd met more of them up close, i went with her. her hair was blonde with little ringlet curls, and she was very short and petite. her name is julie. i went with the downstairs room which is supposed to be better, but in reality i did not think it was worth the extra $5 or so. she gave me a fairly good massage, and we had a very good time. her sex skills were average, and that is to say not bad at all. i would probably not go with her again, but i will say that she was very sweet, and she was into hugging and cuddling afterwards, which is kinda nice for a change.
later i went over to the bm which is my wingman's favorite location (that and key largo) and i sat at the bar and had a drink while waiting for him - he had found someone already and was back in his room. a dominican named rosa came over and introduced herself. she was very touchy feely and i liked her smile and her dark skin. i told her right away i was not really interested in another session as i'd just had a massage with a happy ending at idem. she was persistent and i liked her so i did not push her away. i told her i'd be happy to buy her a drink if she wants to talk, under the understanding that i was not going to employ her services this night; but maybe another night. she agreed and we enjoyed talking (i speak fluent spanish) so i bought her a couple drinks and we had a good time. after awhile she was rubbing my picha and i was rubbing her ass and so on, and i began - as she no doubt knew i would - to reconsider my position on taking her back to my room. she finally made me an offer i couldn't refuse: $40 for a half hour and more if she stayed longer. i agreed and we went back.
when we got to my room she began dancing on my bed to the latina mtv station and she stripped down to her bra and panties. i took some photos of her that way and i stripped down to my boxers and began messing around with her. she was very passionate and gave me a very good cbj, and we had a nice lengthy session. her skin is super soft and her pussy was very hot and wet and we had a great time doing it in several positions. i highly recommend this one. funny, but i had another dominican named rosa who was similarly good, a year ago. that one was a little better looking but this one was very nice and had a great attitude; read: she seems to enjoy her work. i ended up giving her $80 i think, including tip because she was there over an hour and we had a really great time.
day 3:
went over to zona blue around 7-8pm. i had a great time back in february with pamela and naomi together, doing lesbian stuff to each other and stuff to me, and me doing everything and anything to them. it was one of the greatest times of my entire life, and that is saying somthing, as i've been around the block a few times. so this time pamela was there with a girl i hadn't seen before - but heard of - named sharror, and i called them over to me as they were sitting on each other's laps and messing around with each other.
we went back to the room, and pamela started posing for photos right away. that girl loves being photographed in every position, and encourages me to take close-ups of her pussy, her sucking pussy, her sucking my picha, you name it. so i accomodated her. sharror was still out of the room for a few minutes and when she arrived she jumped in the shower and i took some photos of her there, then they both did stuff to each other while i photographed them and watched and, ahem, played with myself. then i jumped into the mix, still with camera in hand, and let me just say they went after me like two starving dogs who just found a bone with some meat on it!
it was very passionate and sexy, and they enjoyed my documenting it all with my camera, and i enjoyed everything that was happening. bbbj's from both and them taking turn on each other, too. it was awesome! just as hot as last time with naomi and pamela, and i highly recommend these girls. normally pamela is not my type, but man, that girl loves sex and knows how to have a good time in bed, at least in the context of a lesbian + me 3some. this was the highlight of my week!
also, after we were done, which i thought was very near the end of my hour, they said, "want to take a sauna?" i said, "sure! is there time?" and they said, "sure, don't worry about it." i did not measure the time but i am sure we went over an hour by the time we had a sauna and shower afterwards. they both kept kissing me and playing with my dick, etc. in the sauna and if i'd had a little more time to recover, i could have gone for a 2nd session!
meanwhile my buddy was with another girl so i went back to wait in the bar. there i talked with about 6 other girls who were all pretty decent, and one in particular appealed to me. her name was michel and she told me she gave a therapeutic quality massage. i said, "okay, then, i'll be here tomorrow at 7pm!"
my friend did not have a good time with his girl, i forget her name, but she was dark haired, very attractive, but he said she only wanted to talk, cuddle and such, was not very good in bed. he does not speak much spanish and i wonder if that is the differerence, or if he just chose wrong or had bad luck.
needless to say, i was spent after my session with pamela and sharror, and though i went back to the bm to drink with my friend, i didn't partake of anyone else's services that night.
day 4:
i went back to zb as planned and michel was waiting for me. she said she normally gets done at 7pm but she stayed late just for me and was very impressed that i actually came like i said i would, and on time. she's got a great attitude, is super sexy, and yes, she gave me a therapeutic quality massage that helped my back and neck problem. while she was doing my massage, i said, "don't forget i also want to have time for some sex!" and she assured me she'd leave time for that.
finally i couldn't wait and i pulled her on top of me and we began going at it. she really loved sex and i could tell she was going to cum. she had one big orgasm and almost a 2nd, and she was very enthusiastic the whole time. it was fantastic, her passion was exciting to me, and overall this is the kind of session that makes me go back to zona blue again and again. the girls there seem to "get it" and go the extra mile. at least that has been my experience. maybe it's because i speak spanish, which they have told me they really like about me. also i treat them nice, don't push them for stuff like bareback blowjobs or anal - if they want to do it that way, that's fine, and if they don't that is fine too. for me it's about having chemistry with a girl, out of and in the bed, and if she is cute, has a good attitude and some passion, that is all that matters to me.
i went back to the bm with my buddy but did not partake in anyone else's services that night. michel really made me feel good and relaxed and that was enough.
day 5:
i had met an old friend of mine, crystal, at the bm the previous night, and she had a friend with her, marcela, and i agreed to meet them the next night, this night, friday. it turned into a bit of a fiasco which i won't go into. but long story short, it wasn't a great experience; not bad, just not as good as with crystal and her other friend, 2-3 times before. i wish i'd have had marcela by herself, the dynamic of the 2 of them together did not work out as it has worked out with crystal and her other friend in the past. i ended up having a pretty good time, but not great.
so later, at the bm i ran into rosa the dominican again and decided that i could not let my last night end on an "off" note, so i took the sure thing and ended up having a 2nd very good time with rosa.
that was that. saturday i wanted to return to see michel at zb but i ran out of time.
a few miscellaneous notes. walking back from zona blue one evening around 8:30pm my buddy and i saw a couple of transvestites up ahead. i knew they were bad news, i'd been attacked by 4 once before and had to pull out my pepper spray to ward them off. but this time there were only 2, and there were 2 of us, so i said, "ah, what the hell - they won't hassle us!" so we walked by, they started coming toward us and we told them "no!" but they went after my buddy, one grabbed his cock and he began fighting them off. i pulled one away by the arm, and the other one was trying to get to his wallet but he had a velcro closed pocket and he/she couldn't get to it. finally my friend made a fist and angrily threatened the one, and he she took a swing at my friend but was way off, and my friend got ready to punch him/her and then they finally backed off. all in all, it makes a good story in retrospect, and since it was 2 on 2, there was not much danger, really. but as has been said many times here, do not walk back from zona blue and new fantasy after dark, or if you do, go down a few blocks down the hill before turning up towards gringo gulch; but that area isn't all that great, either; so, take a taxi! i just hate paying the taxis outside of nf and zb inflated prices, it's the principle of the thing. at least negotiate the price back to where you're going before getting in and going, because some of them will charage you way too much if you don't. it shouldn't be more than a mil, tops back to gringo gulch, and even that is pushing it.
another taxista, when returning from the bus from san ramon, took me way out of the way, and so the maria read 1700 colones although it should have been a 700 colones trip. i knew he was going out of the way but i was in a non-confrontational mood and just let it slide, chalking it up to a "tour" of san jose'. but i always try to make sure they are using the maria, and if they aren't, i ask them how much before getting in.
i did not notice much less of a problem around gringo gulch than my previous trip in february. if the police are cracking down on the crackheads and beggars they are not doing a very good job. it was still a real pain in the ass some nights. in fact one night even 2 transvestites were working and hassling people between the del rey and the morazan. several crackheads were very aggressive and followed me 30-40 feet as i made my way down that street back to the morazan. i never give them even one colon because it just encourages them, and they're only going to feed their addiction. on the other hand i gave a poor woman with a child several dollars who was sitting begging on ave. central.
i hear that the presidente still hassles some girls, while letting others enter. i've heard about them refusing entry to one relatively conservatively dressed chica into the news cafe' while allowing a fat american chica with her fat cow cleavage showing, to remain in the news cafe'. i ate at the news cafe' one morning and it was my last time. they no longer have the egg station where you can have your eggs made how you like, and the eggs i ordered were terrible. i ordered a 2nd order of eggs, scrambled this time, and they also were not good. with their new anti-chica policy (or i should say "inconsistent" policy) i am no longer giving them any of my business. eff 'em.
so, all in all, i had 9 girls (one counted for twice for 2 sesssions) in 5 and 1/2 days, and not one session was bad. the one with crystal and marcela together was not great but it did have its moments so i won't say it was bad, just weird. even if you count that one as bad, that is still a good percentage.
so that's about it. i had a great time, as usual, and as far as i'm concerned san jose' is still a fantastic mongering destination! the choice of places like zb, nf, idem, oasis, bm and kl and others makes it a lot of fun.
i did hear from many of the girls that business is very slow for them right now, so it's a good time to negotiate way down from that $100 asking price. i only paid $80 once, because i wanted to (to rosa) and the rest of the time i never paid more than $40-50 per girl, and if i liked them a lot i gave them a tip on top of that.
Johnny Sax
07-22-06, 00:42
I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)
Someone in another forum pointed out that you could buy land and build a nightclub/strip club in the same area for about 1/5 that price. I think you'd have to be nuts to pay anywhere near half a mil for a strip club in San Jose'.
The problem with strip clubs is that to make money you have to charge a lot for lap dances and drinks for girls, admission, etc... But how many guys want to walk in to a strip club and walk out $80 or so poorer, and not even get laid, when you can walk into many places in San Jose', drink, dance, watch chicks half naked for free, then pay $40-80 to get laid.
Strip clubs in San Jose' just don't make sense.
Don't get me wrong. I wish there WAS a strip club where I could go and pay Tico prices to see some chicks dance naked, have them sit on my lap, buy them a few drinks... but I won't pay U.S. prices for it, and most of the strip clubs in San Jose' are not that cheap.
If you or anyone else does want to start a strip club, my advice is, don't buy Kamur, build your own a lot cheaper.
Cash Money
07-22-06, 01:12
Just wondering what is the price for all night long with a girl from:
A. strip club
B. street walker
C. Del Reys Bluemarlin
Also the cost of a chica friendly hotel.
a. $300-400 for the clubs like elite etc...
the tico places will be much cheaper
b. not advised-
c. $ 80-500- depending on the chica, and your negotiating skills
colombianas in most cases will not take less than $ 200 before midnight.\
Key largo chicas tend to be less money and are Nicas, ticas and Domincanas. and usually have a better attitude that the BM Cartel.The Colombianas at night control the blue marlin, and act like a cartel and intimidate the newer chicas. The hardcore Colombianas in the BM are not worth the money and some of them have real bad attitudes, they are nothing like the chicas in Colombia. This bunch in the pink palace may look good, but are nasty human beings
Thanks for the updates JSAX..great reports. Can you tell what dates you were down there? I'll be going down for a breather again soon.
Interesting story about your walk to and from the Gulch. I was curious about the safety issue down there. I don't usually go to the BM and after reading MJG's post it doesn't look like I'll be going any time soon.
I imagine business is slow because these airline prices are so fricken high. In only one year mine have more than doubled.
NB
Kudos on your reports Johnny Sax. Your report should be a gold standard of sorts as it brings my visit back in a really vivid way. I too like Idem and Zona Blue enough to incorporate them on a daily basis. It's way easier than partaking in the "hunt" that takes place in the Blue Marlin. (Althought the "hunt" is fun too.)
Speaking of gold standards, it is hard to believe that the Colombianas in the Blue Marlin rule things in such a way because there are so many beautiful women from all over Central America there. As has been suggested before, the best place for Colombian women is Colombia.
Again, thanks for the report. It will inspire me to contribute as oppose to lurk.
Johnny Sax
07-25-06, 00:16
Interesting that some say they "run" the BM ...
I have not had a problem with the Colombianas, but I have found them at times being very pushy to try to get me to buy them drinks. I take all such requests with a grain of salt and it depends on the girl. Ususally I only buy a girl drinks who I might go with at a later time. IF she does not turn me on at all, then I am not buying drinks.
I've had a group of 3 Colombianas come sit and my table and right away ask me to buy them drinks. Yeah, right. Do I look like some kind of fool? I politely tell them no and they act like I'm a cheapskate and then leave, and I'm glad they did.
My friend and I had 2 come over late one night at the BM and I told the one right away I was not looking for sex (true) but if she wanted to sit and talk and have a drink that would be fine. She said okay, and we talked and it was fine but her friend - who I also bought a drink - wanted to leave half way through her drink, so they ended up leaving after about 5-10 minutes.
I have never had a GOOD experience with a Colombiana in San Jose'. I pretty much avoid them. Nicas and Ticas and Dominicanas are my favorites.
J-Sax,
I ditto your comments. I always stay at Morazan, good rates with coupons (I always buy an extra paper and keep it for the next trip, just in case.) They never charge me for guest.
Also, I have had no good experiences with the Columbianas.
Will be there in August.
I have stayed at the morazan 5 times and just got of the phone for my next trip aug. 16th and since i like betting in the sportsbook...on the second floor, i get room 201 which is 10 feet from the sportsbook...they have it (room 201) saved for me on my last 3 trips..make no mistake the morazan is no 5star, 4star or even a 3star(maybe about a 3) but its clean you get maid service everyday and what is the real deal is its location...1 block from the b.m. about 2 months ago when the muggings were going on at the b.m.
I had thought maybe i would stay elsewhere, due that i know i would walk back from the b.m., keylargo and horseshoe..no one would take a cab..its like 50 feet but in that 50 feet alot could happen ...so as the muggings have slowed and the police presents have increased, i have made the choice to stay at the hotel again.
For the 35.00 rate a nite , i get a full casino, a bar, that i have pulled a few good ticas out of...the staff knows me and i feel i get some special treatment ..yes ricky(big guy at the desk) can be a pain...but he is working for a living and he always goes out of his way for me ...with his hand out !! but i am ok with that...for maybe the 10.00 i tip him per trip he makes sure i have everything i need(money well spent)for a new comer in town its the perfect hotel...it keeps you close to the action...and when taking cabs to see other places ...half of the taxi drivers dont know or understand the "morazan so you just tell them ...take me to the blue marlin...and your home...the food sucks at the hotel ...but many places to eat, nice sit down meals and fast food...the bar at the hotel has cheap drinks ..i sat there for 3 hours with 2 girls and my bill was like 12,000 col.
There is great internet cafe a few blocks from the hotel and the bank across the street has a a.t.m. and has 2 guards posted at the door everyday..if you roll in at nite at 3 to 4 am as i do , you will find 2 or 3 girls just sitting on the bench in front of the front desk...and if you are trying to score with local girls there will be about 50 people in that bar from 4 am to 7 am (ticas who work at the bar and casinos, out of that 50 more than half are men)but some of the girls in that group will give you the eye....so you never know unles you make your move.
My first trip i stayed at the barmoral hotel ...as with many of us ...it shows up alot on the sites where we buy our air fare ...so i stayed ...what a rip off ..50 to 60 a nite and get this 20 per guests "each time" and when you check them in ....you are waiting with a family checking in at the same time ..the mother giving you a bad look and the father ..wishing he could switch places with you for a hour...the rooms suck and you got to go down the hill where all the muggings happen...stay away from that place...
The pres...i tried a few times to get a room ..but always full...so i stopped trying....i also tried the sportmens ...always full...off my list....i am sure there are other gems ...that i dont know about ...so i take what i know ...morazan..i know what to expect ..and the price is right..
ChiliMike,
I've stayed at the Morazon a few times myself and have always liked it. Nothing fancy but it definitely does the job and for much less than most of its rivals if you insist on getting the advertised special rate (no need to drop any names). Its gotten a bad rep the last few years for a variety of reasons, undeservedly IMHO. The first was due to its association with a certain disreputable monger who's name shall forever go unmentioned (most CR vets should know who I'm talking about). The other big complaint was a rash of misplaced reservations that occurred at the height of its popularity. A lot of mongers moved on to new preferred locations which constantly book out now themselves. My question for you, which I suppose could wait until our next "chapter meeting" but which, because I think I know the answer, other readers might find reassuring, is this. In any of your 5 visits have you ever had any problems with your reservations that others would have us believe is so rampant there?
Morazon is a good deal, if they do not screw up your reservation and when the lardass bellboy does not continue to beg for tips...
keep talking up the Morazon, it is a good value, not as nice as the presidente.
As far as the Del rey goes, tell John he is not wanted in Cartagena.......
Stay Out of Cartagena - tell that to Fat ass john the owner of the del rey. STAY OUT>>>>>>>
Johnny Sax
07-26-06, 04:12
Their reservations are very unreliable, so don't stay there.
(That way I will continue to be able to get a good room at short notice...)
Also the truth is, their showers totally suck, for real. All hot water, in the morning, no cold at all, so it will roast your weinerif you are not extremely careful. My complaints have made no difference ("We're having a problem with the plumbing...") and this has happened like half the time I've stayed there, in various rooms.
Fat Ricky/Recardo the doorman will grab your fucking suitcases out of your hand, so he can be sure to get the tip. I don't know why I don't just tell him, "Okay, you can carry them if you really want to, but I ain't gonna tip you!" But I guess I would feel like a cheapskate, which maybe I am but I just don't need the bellboy to carry my one bag and open the room for me, and yes, believe it or not, I already know how to use the remote on the tv.
The wake up service is spotty. One day they woke me up about 30 minutes later than I needed, but luckily I had my own alarm back up and got up on time anyway.
hey nasty...i enjoy reading your posts and i think you have alot to add to this sometimes very slow section of the I.S.G. so i dont want to get in a flame war....isnt how i roll....i guess if you would of read my entire report ..i said "now that the muggings have stopped and others are seeing police in that area "...i chose to stay at the morazan... i like it there ...my reason of the report you chose to display...was after reading many reports of the muggings and harm done to guys , just like you and myself. Made me rethink of my staying there, i know i wont take a cab for a 50 feet walk!!!
Anyway...the reason why i gave that information was to inform a new guy going to san jose about what i have discovered in san jose and to share some of the things that worked for me and some that didnt...As for the morazan keeping a rsvp. i am 4 for 4 on mine...with 3 for 3 in getting the exact room i want(maybe giving the fat guy a few bucks here and there ..helps)
The reason i read this board and other sites , is it keeps me updated on whats going on there ...ex. the muggings and crime that was going on about 2 months ago but with the help of this site and the other one ...it has helped me feel that things are safe and getting better....
I don't understand why anyone would exceed cien. A cost analysis, considering airfare, hotel, etc. should show that the market can not yield more that cien. Better to stay in USA or wherever.
Playapavones
07-27-06, 00:02
Was curious why MJG Dogs is against John Desmond? I've wondered for many years if Hotel Del Rey is mafia affiliated? Also Morazon sucks (old and dirty--and horrible atmosphere). All hotels are now overpriced in San Jose. Incia Real is a perfect example. Royal dutch is slightly better than Morazon (and the same price), just further from Del Rey. There's also another hotel on 2nd avenue that's just down from royal Dutch (starts with a T...), it's about the same price as Morazon and again slightly better rooms. Plus if Sleep Inn did not want people bringing women in their rooms, why did they locate right next to Del Rey? Balmoral is trying to make big play for News Cafe customers with their new restaraunt. Hotel Presidente is out of control trying to dictate policies like gestapo, why do people continue to support the owners.
Last tirade, what's up with people on other websites so obsessed with The 15 or so girls that work at Zona Blue. There are a couple of girls that are good in bed, but nothing to get so fixated about. Plus why do they jack up the prices of drinks (water, coca cola, beer), it's ridiculous (same with Idem).
I think the jury is still out on whether it's getting better or not, but if it had gotten so bad that you still couldn't walk the incredibly short distance to the Morazon safely then you might as well re-think going to the HDR/BM altogether because that would mean you probably couldn't walk the similar distance between the HDR and the KL or even safely catch a cab. One could probably run the distance to the Morazon in under 5 seconds. Having to take a cab to walk to the Presidente is also "kinda" ridiculous but at least somewhat more understandable and unfortunately still probably advisable given the darkened doorways down that stretch of road and the corners you have to go around. The incidents that I have heard about (with the exception of one a long time ago) have all been either going down the hill to the Presidente or past the Morazon to the Balmoral, on the Avenida Central Promenade itself or on the Morazon Park side of the KL and NOT on the short stretch of road to the Morazon.
Re: the tongue-in-cheek warnings to stay away from the Morazon by guys who want to keep it as a little secret for themselves, sure it has some shortcomings. But so do ALL the others. The HDR is most popular with newbies and in my view the WORST deal around. The SL is trumpeted by many but they've had some noise issues and as ChiliMike will tell you as a chica venue may be a matter of YMMV. The recent problems with the Prez re: their dress code, change in breakfast quality, etc. have also been documented. That's not to say either of those last 2 places aren't highly desirable in other ways but because of their popularity they're often booked out way in advance (a fate MJG and JS are seeking to avoid for the Morazon) and they also cost much more than the Morazon.
J-Sax,
I ditto your comments. I always stay at Morazan, good rates with coupons (I always buy an extra paper and keep it for the next trip, just in case.) They never charge me for guest.
Also, I have had no good experiences with the Columbianas.
Will be there in August.
I haven't been keeping up with the SJO posting for a while and just took a few minutes to catch up. Wanted to say Hi to you and Chase Star and any of the other "brothers in rubbers" that I've been missing for a while.
Shamas O'Dognasty
Gourmet Catering y
Septic Tank Cleaning
I'm in SJO for a few days, and bought a Tico Times yesteday. I noticed a for sale ad for Kamur, just half a million, plus change. Perhaps it's been posted here before. Not that I'd ever invest in such a business, though I would "test" the girls. :)
Half Mill for Kamur, lol lol lol lol lol lol, half mill what, USD $$$ lol lol lol, Colonies, almost as funny. I want to see the guy who'd pay half mill for Kamur
>>>Whats the best way to make a small fortune with a bar in SJO ?
>>>Start off with a big fortune
Half a mill for Kamur, 8-0
[QUOTE=Playapavones]Was curious why MJG Dogs is against John Desmond? I've wondered for many years if Hotel Del Rey is mafia affiliated?
There is more laundering through the pink palace than in a Chinese laundermat.
John is an asshole.
End of story........
I think this has been discussed before...but - have a free long weekend in September and wondering where I should go - Costa Rica or Dominican?
Thoughts from fellows who might have spent tim ein both places would be appreciated...and how do they compare to Asia? Never been to LatAm but lotsa experience mongering in Asia.
Gracias!
Member #2041
08-03-06, 03:57
Well Chacha, neither CR nor the DR will make you forget Asia. Personally, I prefer Costa Rica, because there is alot less abject poverty there, and I don't feel like I'm exploiting someone who has no choice, but rather, the act feels to me to be alot more consensual.
I haven't been to DR so I'm not the best person to say, but I have looked into the DR and here is my general impression. The venues that you use to meet chicas are somewhat different but I think the bigger difference is in locale. If you want "sex on the beach" or at least near it, the DR may have CR beat. True there is always Jaco in CR, but SJ is really where the true action is and what made CR famous for sex tourism and SJ is at least 2 hours or more from Jaco which in turn aside from its mongering appeal is far from the best beach in CR. If you don't care about being near the beach all the time or don't mind making the Jaco compromise for that part of your trip, you can have a little of the best of both worlds. Also if you want to mix a little traditional tourism and sightseeing in with with your mongering I think there is probably a great more to see and do in CR beyond just relaxing on the beach.
One final consideration, and I really don't know if or whether this factors in, is weather. CR in September can be very rainy and near Jaco it can be very hot and humid as well. SJ, being up in the mountains, stays a little cooler but still can get a lot of rain at that time of year. I don't know how DR gets in September. It is a little further north, which MIGHT make it a little cooler and POSSIBLY a little less rainy. OTOH, where you'd be going in DR is at sea level so you'd lose the possible cooler altitude advantage of CR's central valley.
Also, what time will you be going? Labor day weekend is probably already fully booked up and will see a huge influx of mongers attending their annual "convention". This can be a great time to meet like-minded guys and exchange war stories but can be a little less than desirable when a hoard of them descend on your favorite MP at the exact same time you choose to stop in.
Common Sense
08-04-06, 02:08
Chaca,
I have recently been to SJ and Sosua and have enjoyed both places. Which one is the best option depends upon what our looking for. In San Jose, there was alot more variety in chicas ranging from light to dark. There were chicas there from many countries including Ecuador, Colombia, DR, and Gautemala. San Jose had more options for chica finding such as Idem, Sportmen, Del Rey, etc. Plus, all these places are only minutes from each other Also, San Jose has better options for eco-tourism.
Keep in mind, I am only comparing San Jose to Sosua. I understand that in Santo Domingo, there is plenty of nightlife and more variety in women. In Sosua, the main spots are Club X and Classico's. However, after a few days you will see the same women. The women here are mostly dark(which was not a problem for me), but the prices here were cheaper overall than in san jose. The women here might not beat the women in SJ in the looks category, but they hold there own in all other categories. Wait a minute, an ISG exclusive just came in....some members on the board are reporting that there is a country-wide crackdown on prostitution in the DR. Well, I guess that answers your question. CR it is!!!! What waste of my time:)
That is funny, I just got back from the Morazon and he did the same to me....I had one bag...a small roller bag...and before I could put my wallet back in my pocket...he was off trying to take my bag and take me upstairs to my room.
I was tired and just 20 minutes prior I had to play the "Milk the American" game with the cab drivers trying to hustle me for an expensive ride into town. Sure I could have appeased him and let him do it, but if you travel internationally enough...you get tired of being nickled and dimed and outright con'd
I had to insist 3 times in the lobby that I didn't need his assistance..and twice he said he needed to make sure the TV and AC worked.
Finally he got an attitude and shoved the remote in my hand...like a little girl. I wonder what he would have done if it were 3 of us going up at the same time...would he had split in thirds in search of the all mighty tip?
Their reservations are very unreliable, so don't stay there.
(That way I will continue to be able to get a good room at short notice...)
Also the truth is, their showers totally suck, for real. All hot water, in the morning, no cold at all, so it will roast your weinerif you are not extremely careful. My complaints have made no difference ("We're having a problem with the plumbing...") and this has happened like half the time I've stayed there, in various rooms.
Fat Ricky/Recardo the doorman will grab your fucking suitcases out of your hand, so he can be sure to get the tip. I don't know why I don't just tell him, "Okay, you can carry them if you really want to, but I ain't gonna tip you!" But I guess I would feel like a cheapskate, which maybe I am but I just don't need the bellboy to carry my one bag and open the room for me, and yes, believe it or not, I already know how to use the remote on the tv.
The wake up service is spotty. One day they woke me up about 30 minutes later than I needed, but luckily I had my own alarm back up and got up on time anyway.
Johnny Sax
08-06-06, 02:01
... Also Morazon sucks (old and dirty--and horrible atmosphere).
The Morazan is not that dirty, at least not in the rooms, I'm not sure what you mean. Yes, it's old. Yes, it has shower problems. For the money, it's a great price for the location. But suit yourself.
Balmoral is trying to make big play for News Cafe customers with their new restaraunt.
Is that the one directly across from the News Cafe? If it is, I'll have to say they need to improve their service AND food if they want me to go there. I am no longer going to the News Cafe' because they took away the egg bar (a guy making my eggs how I like them while I watch and make suggestions). But I went to that place across the street and it was pretty bad. I need a new breakfast place not too far from gringo gulch - any suggestions?
Hotel Presidente is out of control trying to dictate policies like gestapo, why do people continue to support the owners.
This has been discussed a bunch, and all I'll say is I agree with you 200%!
It is beyond me why people still support them, and especially why the other mongering site who has a discount deal with them, puts up with their b.s. without raising a fuss. But so it goes...
Last tirade, what's up with people on other websites so obsessed with The 15 or so girls that work at Zona Blue. There are a couple of girls that are good in bed, but nothing to get so fixated about. Plus why do they jack up the prices of drinks (water, coca cola, beer), it's ridiculous (same with Idem).
Why I love Zona Blue:
It's easy, no hassles, they have a good selection of girls (not big selection but big enough to find something I like), the girls I've had there have been almost 100% good, if not great; they have a nice sauna, and showers in the room, and I've never had ONE problem there, ever.
New Fantasy, on the other hand, went downhill there for awhile. It might be better now, at least the selection was better last month when I looked in on them. And I don't like the "choose more or less quickly" after looking at them behind a mirror approach.
IDEM has the same problem of choosing them, without being easily able to hang with them first.
So what it boils down to, is that I get what I want at ZB, and it has a bar-like atmosphere which I prefer, and the girls are easier to see and chat with there, than at Idem.
But I go to all these places, it's just that lately ZB has been the winner.
Just my 2 cents.
Johnny Sax
08-06-06, 02:08
That is funny, I just got back from the Morazon and he did the same to me....I had one bag...a small roller bag...and before I could put my wallet back in my pocket...he was off trying to take my bag and take me upstairs to my room.
I was tired and just 20 minutes prior I had to play the "Milk the American" game with the cab drivers trying to hustle me for an expensive ride into town. Sure I could have appeased him and let him do it, but if you travel internationally enough...you get tired of being nickled and dimed and outright con'd
I had to insist 3 times in the lobby that I didn't need his assistance..and twice he said he needed to make sure the TV and AC worked.
Finally he got an attitude and shoved the remote in my hand...like a little girl. I wonder what he would have done if it were 3 of us going up at the same time...would he had split in thirds in search of the all mighty tip?
Good for you, for standing up to his b.s.!
On the other hand, I now see him as sort of pathetic. I mean, he has no dignity by acting that way. If he would just let me do what I want, I'd have more respect for him and maybe slip him a tip here and there for one thing or another. But forcing me to let him carry my one suitcase and turn on the tv for me is just b.s.. He needs to find more respectable ways to get tips or make some $.
I tend to let him get away with it just because I go there a lot lately and don't want to make an enemy of anyone; nevertheless he knows I am not a big fan of his, I'm sure, from my attitude towards him.
Another thing he does is insist on calling you a cab, so that he gets a kickback. I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure he gets a kickback from the guy he calls. I prefer to get my own cab and negotiate the price. You can save at least $3 by letting the guy use his maria to take you out there, as opposed to paying $15. No big deal, but like you say, you get tired of being "taken" for a dollar here and a dollar there every time you turn around.
I am generous with the chicas, if they treat me right, and I am generous with good waiters who give me good service, and etc.. But I do not like a guy insisting he call me a cab which will cost me $3 extra, nor expecting a tip for carrying my one carry-on bag up to my room for me when I have the bag in my hand ready to carry it myself.
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax]Good for you, for standing up to his b.s.!
On the other hand, I now see him as sort of pathetic. I mean, he has no dignity by acting that way. If he would just let me do what I want, I'd have more respect for him and maybe slip him a tip here and there for one thing or another. But forcing me to let him carry my one suitcase and turn on the tv for me is just b.s.. He needs to find more respectable ways to get tips or make some $.
I tend to let him get away with it just because I go there a lot lately and don't want to make an enemy of anyone; nevertheless he knows I am not a big fan of his, I'm sure, from my attitude towards him.
Another thing he does is insist on calling you a cab, so that he gets a kickback. I can't prove this but I'm pretty sure he gets a kickback from the guy he calls. I prefer to get my own cab and negotiate the price. You can save at least $3 by letting the guy use his maria to take you out there, as opposed to paying $15. No big deal, but like you say, you get tired of being "taken" for a dollar here and a dollar there every time you turn around.
Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also....
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool... Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works... But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter
Playapavones
08-06-06, 08:13
I thank MJG Dogs for responding, albeit cryptic about Del Rey John. If you ever elaborate further than "end of story" about specifics of why you have issues -- I'm just curious. Greg has always been super nice to me though, but I've always wondered about mob ties.
Johnny Sax likes Morazon, I don't. 12 years ago it was old and dirty, now I just feel it's oldier and dirtier, don't like the rooms, horrible atmosphere and had an issue of them charging me a higher than promised rate two months ago which was the first time I had stayed there in 12 years. Think the only advantage to it is the proximity to Del Rey for a cheaper rate. Now that I rarely go to Del Rey, I prefer other hotels which charge the same price. More room for Johnny Sax.
So far as Zona Blue, I like Eddie, but only two current girls I will pay for and ZB used to give you a free water or coke (New Fantasy still does). The mirror at NF is a joke, it's like a bad police lineup, plus the girls can see through it anyway. I have had the most consistently good sex over the years at Idem. New Fantasy seems to fluctuate alot. When I was there in late June, it was quite good-- in April, it was bad. Just my two cents worth. The fact is there is no longer a low season for tourism in CR and it is driving up the cost of everything (hotels, etc.)
Playapavones
08-06-06, 08:26
Oh yeah forgot about this. Not sure if it's open yet, but Balmoral is building a big restaurant to compete with News Cafe (not that I like Balmoral). Harley (I think that's his name) from Canada, who made News Cafe a success, was going to be the main guy in the rennovations (and actually from what he told me it sounded pretty good menu wise); but as of late June, he had argued with Balmoral owners and was fired.
Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.That might be somewhat true but I don't know if I would frame it quite that way. You're stereotyping all ticos (except for the few with direct exposure to the US) and I'm not so sure that is safe to do any more than it is for them to stereotype us. The fact is that nearly all ticos, and certainly the vast majority with their hands out, are much poorer than even the most humble of us. They see us as having tons of money to just throw around. That is a stereotype too, but for too many gringo tourists it seems to apply quite well (albeit probably not the ones that stay at a cheap hotel like the Morazon). So, in their view, the most likely route for them to make the money they need to survive is by soaking us for as much as they can. Even more so than from their fellow ticos. After all, we're the ones that have the money and we're the ones that have the culture of tipping everyone at the drop of a hat even for just standard or substandard service. Ticos don't normally tip 15% at restaurants or give anything more than the 10% that is automatically added to their bills and probably wouldn't even leave that if they didn't have to. I'd be willing to bet you don't flinch at leaving a 15% or more tip when you go out back home. I'm not saying that to suggest that we should bring our US standards for tipping to CR, but some idiot gringos certainly do and it helps explain why more and more ticos are coming to expect it from the rest of us. Stereotypes!
I'm not saying we should surrender to this cultural trend but I don't think it helps to get angered by it either. I'm saying understand where it is coming from and shrug it off. If someone grabs your bags as a means for extracting a tip. Politely insist it is not needed or desired. Grab them back. If you can't, stop in him at the door of your room. You can figure out the light switches and TV remotes on your own. If he insists on giving you the grand tour, give him a friendly "gracias y adios". If he puts his hand out, shake it and say "hasta la vista". Sooner rather than later he'll get the idea, you have no intention of tipping him for a service you didn't want in the first place and maybe the next time you come to stay there he'll remember you and leave you alone. He'll certainly remember you if you fall for his ploy and tip him. But you should remember that is all just part of the game that is inevitable as any poor country starts to experience more visits from wealthier tourists.
Look at it as just a game that is played between the 2 cultures, one in which you ultimately control the wallet, and just laugh it off. MJG is right that ticos don't like to be confronted, which is why they may seem to be two-faced, but that is just part of their culture. Remember, that you are in their world. Being too straightforward or showing your irritation is the worse thing you could do. MJG is right, never ever lose your cool. That will only feed their stereotypes about us.
As for the two-faced tico stereotype, first I don't think that is universally true. They may see us as walking wallets and be friendly to us for that reason but that doesn't mean they all or even most secretly despise us. Second, for those ticos that DO secretly despise us, you should understand where that might be coming from.
To begin with, we as a nation haven't exactly been behaving on the world stage in a manner that exactly endears us. Forget about our heavyhanded tactics in the moslem world, our policies in LatAm have been quite controversial as well. LAFTA, which we've been ramming down their throat, is probably going to put a lot of ICE emplyees out of work and the impact on the agricultural sector is an open question as well. True its our government and not the people doing this but we elected them.
Also, as individuals, many gringos don't exactly act in a manner that endear us to them. Of course, it is stereotyping to generalize the bad behavior of a few to the rest of us, but that happens and it is often the most boorish and arrogant fellow tourists that become the most noticeable.
Finally, even when we are on our best behavior, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women and driving the prices up is bound to cause resentment among some ticos. How would you feel if the show were on the other foot?
FlacoDuro1
08-06-06, 16:19
Quote MJ DOGS,
"Guys it is in their culture. Costa Ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also.
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool. Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works. But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter"
While I don't claim to be an expert on their culture, I have gong to C.R. for the past 12 years and with that said, I believe a lot of what DOGS said is true. I've been there on family trips and personal trips, I've made a lot of friends with ex-us pats. Its is clear that they see Americans as wealthy millionaires and play the "lets screw the gringo". While I believe they are geniune in their friendship, when you do make a friend. It all comes down to money and how much can they get from you. It doensn't matter wether its a girl , cab driver or shop keeper. Do they despise Americans? probably some do, most don't. Right now our economy is faltering, travel is down to C.R. I know that some businesses are hurting in San Jose. On one of my very first trips tp C.R. a very wise older ex-pat gave me several pieces of advise for C.R.
1. If it flys , Floats or Fucks, rent it
2. If you want to leave C.R. with a million dollars make sure and bring at least two million.
3. Theres always a gringo or a tico waiting to screw you out of your money.
As far a world politics go, for too long American have been shouldering the burden of being the worlds police man. I say F***K the French, Germans and Russians, let them start assuming more of leadership role in the Middle East. They for a fact really do despise Americans. I don't like idea of sheding any more American Blood for the countries that smile in your face while sticking it in your back. I hope Israel Nukes Iran. The rest will fall in line.
Flaco
[QUOTE=Chase Star]ne in which you ultimately control the wallet, and just laugh it off. MJG is right that ticos don't like to be confronted, which is why they may seem to be two-faced, but that is just part of their culture. Remember, that you are in their world. Being too straightforward or showing your irritation is the worse thing you could do. MJG is right, never ever lose your cool. That will only feed their stereotypes about us.
That is a very good way of seeing things Chase Star, a game to see whom controls your wallet. You can expand it also to the chicas..
The resentment is jealousy more than anything. This attitude towards us has gone on for years and was the same , in the early 90's, when shithead was the president. LAFTA, foreign policy and war on terror, also do play a role in their hatred, but they more than any other culture in Latin America, " bites the hand that feeds them". Without American Investment, tourism etc... Costa Rica becomes another Honduras economically. In fact Panama's economy is much much better than Costa Rica's. Costa Rica also has way too much socialism in the workforce, and try even getting cable TV installed, you have to go through 3 or 4 people to get a simple task completed.
Costa rica needs to reform internally or else not just Panama will exceed them economically in the region... Just my take Chase.....
This is Tony Lama Butch'es fault too!!!!
Member #2041
08-06-06, 20:37
IMHO, Chase Star's post below is the best primer that a newbie could possibly read in order to understand where the typical Costa Rican is coming from in dealing with us when we are in their country. I have re-posted it under Reports of Distinction.
... I hope Israel Nukes Iran. ...
You and me both, brother. :D
This is Tony Lama Butch'es fault too!!!!
Could be beavis. Especially the ones wearing the Burnt Orange texas Longhorns Polo Shirts, that are crisply ironed, with the gold chains, fake rolex, and with Burnt Orange and White Fake ostrich Cowboy Boots...
These creatures were all over Los Angeles last new years for the BCS title game at the rose Bowl. They are loud and never shut up.. Too bad some of them did not think the game was at the LA Coliseum and get lost driving around MLK and Figeroua. They would have shit in their pants, just like they would if they ran into FARC down in Colombia.......
Member #2666
08-07-06, 01:51
, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women ?
You lost me on this one Chase!!!
Are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
I don't think so Chase
But they tell a good lie and I guess they actually make some of us feel like we are special (sic)
Johnny Sax
08-07-06, 19:37
Guys it is in their culture. Costa ricans will try to sodomize you out of every nickel you have. Deep down they Dispise Americans, but yet they have that "happy meal" smile about them. Living there for about 6 months in 2002, I learned the game. Costa Ricans remind me of the French in a way, they are two faced., except for some of them whom have relatives and may have been educated in the states, they tend to be more straight Forward. They feel that the United States has an obligation to give them whatever they want. they also remind me of the French, due to their anti-war appeasement mentality. Costa Ricans do not like to be confronted.
Don't feel bad though, they screw each other also....
Whatever you do with them, never ever lose your cool... Just be firm and say "no" in a regular toned voice, it works... But fat ass, you may have to yell at him. When he gets out of hand , give him a quarter
You make some valid points. I also have lived there, and known quite a few Ticos. I think, like any people, it is over-generalizing to say that it is in their culture to want us to give them money, or that they despise Americans. Some do, some don't. Some love Americans.
Overall, I have found the people to be genuinely helpful and nice there. Maybe part of it is a matter of "Getting back what you put out there".
Johnny Sax
08-07-06, 20:14
Chase, we sometimes don't see eye to eye on things, but I respect your opinions and certainly your right to have different ones than mine.
I think you have made a very cogent appraisal of the situation here, as far as Tico culture. I basically agree with everything you said.
With Ricky Ricardo it is a no-win situation, I think. Or rather, it is either you give in (he wins) or you don't give in, and he loses and he thinks you are just a cheap American asshole because you have plenty of money but don't want to give him a dollar. But it's the principle of it, not the buck, that bothers me.
If I had 2 heavy bags, I'd gladly give him $2 or so to carry them for me.
Actually the cheapness of the Morazan is not the main reason I stay there. I stay there because the Del Rey is full, and I like the close location; and I refuse to stay at the Prez since their Draconian dress code policy. With my discount I could stay at the Prez cheap enough, but I don't. Again, it's the principle of it. (Plus the fact I don't want to risk any hassles at the door or desk.)
I can address the issue of people in the 3rd World or "Developing Countries" having the opinion that Americans are all rich. I had a girlfriend from Mexico who told me that in fact, her and her friends and family thought that everyone in the U.S. was rich and there was no poverty at all! Sounds stupid, but yes, many people in these poorer countries believe this. I guess stories about homeless and poverty don't make it into the 7 o'clock news down there.
They know we make a LOT of money here, but what they do not know is that we also pay a LOT of bills on things they don't: car insurance, medical insurance, parking fines, moving violations, utilities, clothes, EVERYthing is high here in the good ole USA but all they hear are the incomes, not the out-goes. They have no idea that one might pay $1200 a month for a one bedroom apartment, $60 for cable, $100 for gas heat, $400 for medical insurance and then still pay $25 for a doctor visit... We all know this stuff, but they don't, so they think we're rich. Some of us are. Others of us are just getting by, but have a priority of spending our spare money on chicas Ticas.
I have gone out with Tico friends and at the end of the night, the girl - who I was NOT with at all, she was just invited along for the ride by another Tico - expected ME to pay her cab fare back to her pueblo out of town, about $8. I refused and she started to cry. I gave them a lecture about how all Americans aren't rich, in fact at that time (I was living in Costa Rica) I was nearly flat broke myself, and simply could not afford to pay for her cab. I don't know what they thought, but I know I felt that they were out to milk me. They'd also expected me to pay for drinks earlier on which I refused to do, though I may have put in a couple extra bucks. I think it was an education for them, to see an American who wasn't rich. So the point is, there IS this idea that all gringos have money to burn. And in COMPARISON to them, we usually do, if you look at it that way. I have more money now than I did then, but having been poor before, I have respect for how hard money is to get, and I don't like giving it away for nothing. On the other hand, if I see a poor woman in the street, obviously hungry and in need, I will go out of my way to double back and give her some money.
But the whole thing is, for me I am against the principle of letting someone like Ricky / Ricardo force me into giving him money to carry my bag when I do not wish him to carry it. It's not the money, it's the principle of it.
As to staying at the Morazan because it's cheap, yes, it's nice that it's cheap, but frankly I stay there more because of it's location. If I could get a nicer room for $50-65 in that location, I would pay it.
However, regarding the rooms at the Morazan, the rooms are not that bad, exept for the showers that don't work right. The girls usually go "This is nice!" which is good enough for me. Also, another thing: the rooms at the Morazan, at least the ones I get, are QUIET. You can hear the music at Key Largo, depending on your location, but not too loud and with my ear plugs in I sleep great there. Not so at some other places, even the Prez with their hard floor hallways and clicking heels. I've never had a problem sleeping at the Morazan.
That might be somewhat true but I don't know if I would frame it quite that way. You're stereotyping all ticos (except for the few with direct exposure to the US) and I'm not so sure that is safe to do any more than it is for them to stereotype us. The fact is that nearly all ticos, and certainly the vast majority with their hands out, are much poorer than even the most humble of us. They see us as having tons of money to just throw around. That is a stereotype too, but for too many gringo tourists it seems to apply quite well (albeit probably not the ones that stay at a cheap hotel like the Morazon). So, in their view, the most likely route for them to make the money they need to survive is by soaking us for as much as they can. Even more so than from their fellow ticos. After all, we're the ones that have the money and we're the ones that have the culture of tipping everyone at the drop of a hat even for just standard or substandard service.
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Finally, even when we are on our best behavior, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women and driving the prices up is bound to cause resentment among some ticos. How would you feel if the show were on the other foot?
Johnny Sax
08-07-06, 20:23
you lost me on this one chase!!!
are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
i don't think so chase
but they tell a good lie and i guess they actually make some of us feel like we are special (sic)
i think it was clear that chase was saying that the ticos cannot afford the prostitutes in the del rey, not that they can't afford to date other ticas.
one other form of resentment they have for us is increasing, and that is that we are buying up all their best property and many of them can no longer afford to buy it.
this however is a double-edged sword: we also bring jobs to an area, employing them to be gardeners, maids, farm workers, construction workers, maids, cooks, babysitters, etc. etc..
gringos bring a ton of money into costa rica and in fact, if they start enforcing draconian immigration and tax laws which they are talking about doing, then they will be cutting off the hand that feeds them, killing the goose that lays the golden eggs...
that said, i can certainly understand their resentment of rich gringos buying up their land. but the same thing happens here: rich japanese, saudis, etc. buy up our real estate, even our farms, our businesses, etc.. it's the way of the new world odor, one world economy, and will only get worse with cafta, like it did with nafta, but there will be some advantages as well. all in all, politics has not changed: it's all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. the corporations will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the land and abuse the people and destroy the environment for the almighty dollar. always has been that way and always will be. it's just that now, it's gone global more so than ever before.
, the very fact that we are down there able to throw money around that they don't have, able to buy things that they can't afford, including their women ?
You lost me on this one Chase!!!
Are you implying they aren't banging their women...one might conclude from that idea that all those babies they are supporting must be half gringo,
I don't think so ChaseThat's not what I was suggesting at all. What I'm saying is the fact that we have so much more money to throw around for pussy changes the whole dynamic in many ways.
First of all, it makes prostitution more appealing from the women's perspective since there is so much more money to potentially be made and so it turns sisters, wives and girlfriends into hookers that might not otherwise become ones. In other words, whether they're getting any themselves or not, how would you feel if a woman close to you was prostituting herself with some fat old gringo with a ton more money than you and as a result in addition to "sullying her honor" it puts her in the position of being the real breadwinner. Don't get me wrong I'm sure many of these guys would have no problem "sullying a girl's honor" themselves, but it is probably something else for some fat old gringo being able to do it to "their" women. Also, I'm sure they have no problem spending the money that their chicas bring home but I'm sure the fact she's the breadwinner instead of them must have some impact on the latin male ego.
Secondly, while I'm sure that tico men are probably not hurting at all for lack of willing pussy, that is more for lack of enough gringos to go around. As many of us as there are, there still aren't enough to corner the market. There are just too many chicas who would go for us, er I mean our wallets, if they had half a chance. Few working chicas score more than an hour or two "rental" at a time from us, let alone hit the big payoff of a jerk wiring them money from the US or worse yet marrying one of them. And those are just out of the comparatively few at the HDR/BM and assorted gringo-oriented MP's like ZB or NF. What does happen, at least in the P4P arena, is that the better looking chicas wind up at the gringo oriented places and the scummier looking chicas wind up at the scummier MP's which tico guys can afford. Sure there are exceptions and a few "diamonds in the rough" at the more obscure places but as a general rule it has some basis. Go to a strip joint with both ticos and gringos in the audience and see who gets the attention. The chicas know the ticos can only afford to look and have little money to play around. Same thing at better quality supposedly "tico" MP's like Oasis. Sure they get some business from a few wealthier ticos, but even Oasis is beyond the pocketbook of the average tico on the street. That leaves places like the Pensiones, and from what I've seen of the chicas there the ticos can have them.
Finally, of course they're banging their "women", otherwise so many wouldn't be knocked up before they're 18. Hopefully, it is very few gringos that are responsible for that. But that brings up a non-financial aspect to this debate which is as much the ticos fault as our own. Many of them make lousy mates for their chicas. They get them embarazado and then they take off on them because they can't afford to support a family. OTOH, gringos may be old and fat but at least we shower them with money by comparison and perhaps as importantly in general we treat them much nicer thanks to our strict house-training by gringas. In other words, I think we make them look bad.
FlacoDuro1
08-08-06, 13:47
Chase Star QUOTE:
"Finally, of course they're banging their "women", otherwise so many wouldn't be knocked up before they're 18. Hopefully, it is very few gringos that are responsible for that. But that brings up a non-financial aspect to this debate which is as much the ticos fault as our own. Many of them make lousy mates for their chicas. They get them embarazado and then they take off on them because they can't afford to support a family. OTOH, gringos may be old and fat but at least we shower them with money by comparison and perhaps as importantly in general we treat them much nicer thanks to our strict house-training by gringas. In other words, I think we make them look bad."
Truer words were never so spoken or in this case written.
I met a girl in Idem several years ago who spoke perfect english. She worked during the day at the INTEL plant, she had two kids. I asked her why she was working at IDEM, "because Costa Rica does not have child support laws" her tico husband ran off with a younger women, he had no job, nor is there any laws inplace to force him to support his children. She told me she was looking to hook up permanently with a gringo pensionato, which she evidenly did. I have probably fifty stories like this one. Tico men get plenty of pussy, unlike American men they aren't force to pay for it for the rest of their lives, and in some cases beyond. On one of my earlier visits I met another girl at the ARTE who aked me to marry her, basically the same story as above, but her family had money and had thrown her out when her Novio made her pregnant. She dropped out of college and was working at a casino and the Arte. I would have married her but my wife wouldn't let me.
Flacoduro1
I'm old but not fat
I heard that a bunch of Gringos pulled six of the best girls out of the Sportsmens Lodge and took them to the beach this past Sunday. I think they were all going to be down there for most of the week. If any of you guys read this let us know and give us some details. Which ever of you guys got to hook-up with Daisy ... you won the lottery. She not only has the best tits and nipples in Costa Rica, a killer face and body, but she is sweet and so very much fun and alive. I am jealous! Tell us about your adventure guys.
I heard that a bunch of Gringos pulled six of the best girls out of the Sportsmens Lodge and took them to the beach this past Sunday. I think they were all going to be down there for most of the week. If any of you guys read this let us know and give us some details. Which ever of you guys got to hook-up with Daisy ... you won the lottery. She not only has the best tits and nipples in Costa Rica, a killer face and body, but she is sweet and so very much fun and alive. I am jealous! Tell us about your adventure guys.Amen brother. She is smokin' hot. Never had her but she is high on the "hit list." Very flirtatious and bubbly. Last time I was at SL in June she was flashing those beautiful, naturals. :-) I demand a trip report. BTW, does anyone have any intel on a SL chica named Alexa?
dapanz1
leaving for san jose in 12 hours and i am looking for some info on a amp ....on my last trip i got a tip that there was a amp near the subway(sub shop) so my wingman and i go on a search for it....we think the info was good since we did find the building and we think the correct apt # ..as we rang the bell for about 10 mins but no one came down ...however we did see a few asian people walking the streets and a lady did come down as we were ringing the bell (a older tica lady) and i ask "does a asian girl live in # 6 apt" and she said yes...but didnt think she was home....so since it was my last day in town i didnt get a chance to go back again....maybe someone else has had some luck...i will be in san jose for 8 days and i enjoy the hunt....dont get me wrong...i still love the tica, nicas, and any other spanish ladies i may run in to...but those asians are my true weakness....just cant pull the trigger on that 24 hour flight !!!give me a shout if anyone is still in town or is coming in this week ....6th street will be visited a few days this week and will make the run on all the bars every nite....
Johnny Sax
08-17-06, 22:09
I was in San Jose for just 3 nights, but thought I'd share some comments.
The girls at the BM complain that tourism is "down" now, so you should be able to get some good deals, as I did, there.
I went to the Sportsmen's Lodge for the first time. Looks like a super nice place, at least the lobby and bar are very luxurious. Maybe it was an "off night" but there were very few girls there, those who were there were "occupied" and, for my taste, even those weren't that good. I had a beer and quesadilla there (good quesadilla!) and then left. Just my own personal opinion. I will try it again at another time. By the way, the taxi ride there took me down a very dark and out of the way place, and for a moment I thought maybe the taxi driver was taking me somewhere to rob me!
I braved Club Monaco alone. I had a great experience there one time a year or two ago, before it became a strip place, where I found a super cute girl and took her upstairs for $20.
Now, I do not recommend it, at least not on a Thur. night.. I walked in, there were only 5 girls, and only one was appealing to me. I sat at the bar, I was the ONLY gringo and only one other (Tico) client was there. I had gone in to see some dancing and see if that girl I had there might still be there (fat chance). So no one danced the entire 20 min. or so I was there. Some chick with braces but older came over to me and it was one of those situations where I had zero interest in her but did not want to be rude. Finally she would not take a hint so I asked her if anyone was going to dance. She said No. I said, "Well, then, I am going to leave." She finally left and I tried to get the attention of the one I was interested in but she was playing with her phone, so I said "Screw it!" It was hard to see her over against the wall and maybe she wasn't all that great, anyway. I forget the prices to go upstairs, or for a lap dance, but they weren't all THAT great, considering the atmosphere there (dark, sleazy) and the talent (5 girls only one of which might have been above a 6 or 7). Considering that the prices for lap dances and going upstairs are not all the cheap, I think I'll write this place off my list until further notice. The least they management could have done was to have a girl dance while I was there, I might have stayed for another drink...
There are still a lot of great girls at the Blue Marlin and sometimes at Key Largo. Key Largo seems to have more and more of a reputation of having the fat, ugly chicks; though you can occassionally find a gem there.
I was at the BM one night and met this cute Dominicana (photo soon to be posted in the photos section). I had already had my fun at Zona Blue so was not all that interested in finding a chica. But I liked this one so I offered her $50, expecting her to counter with $70,we'd settle on $60 and I'd take her backto the room. But she just said "No, that's not enough" so I did not want to play the game, I just said, "Okay, maybe another night" and walked away. I've found this works. You decide what you will pay and then be willing to walk away until you find one who will accept close to your offer. That night I wasn't really all that into it so I didn't care.
So the next night I was standing next to this black girl from Limon. I wasn't interested in her and told her I was just there to have a drink, so we talked a bit. Well, then this same Dominicana from the night before came by and she was a friend of this black Tica, so they talked among themselves a moment and then the Dominicana said, "how about 2 girls tonight?" I said, "Well, maybe... How much?" and she said "$120 for the both of us." So I said, "Let's go."
I was a bit concerned since I did not know them at all, and was a bit afraid of them scamming me in some way, but I had all my important stuff put away in the safe at the Morazan so I wasn't too worried.
Went back and had a great time, they were both super cool, into it, and showed me a great time, no hurry, no hassles.
Another night I had a girl from Venezuela. I gave her $70 as I had never had a Venezuelan before and she was really seducing me at the bar, rubbing my crotch, being very seductive and flirtatious. She has great tits and sexy eyes. I forget her name, unfortunately, but she is the only blonde Venezuelan there, to my knowledge, and she said there were only 3 Venezuelans. You will see her photo in the photo section soon.
I advise avoiding this Venezuelan. As soon as we got back to the room she was all about hurrying to get me off and leave, completely the opposite of how she was in the bar. I know, this happens; but it seldom happens to me, I have learned "how to pick 'em" for the most part. She also did not like her tits sucked, no kissing, and was basically just like the pros here in the U.S - very cold, businesslike in bed - just get the job done and leave. I wanted to go around and tell every guy she talked to, how lousy she was back in the room, after that.
Had a great time at Zona Blue as usual. Pamela wasn't there and I was hoping for another hot lezbo show with her and Sharror. (sounds like "Shadow"). And when I walked to the bar, the only open seat was next to Michel, who I had had a great sexual connection with before, and she remembered me so it was going to be difficullt to not go with Michel. So I asked her if she ever went lesbian, and she said yes, sometimes. I said, "Well, who would you like to go with?" she didn't have an answer, seemed shy about it, so I said, "How about you and Sharror?" She agreed and off we went. I found out that Sharror is very shy with the men in the bar, and tends not to look or flirt with them. So if you want Sharror don't be afraid to call her over, you may have to be the aggressor.
So we went back and Michel really enjoyed both eating and being eaten by Sharror, and vice versa. Both sucked me off really good, and Michel gives perhaps the BEST b.j. I've ever had! She does something magical with her tongue that no one else has ever done to me. I did not eff either one, I just had them suck me off, but they did not want to let me CIM as Pamela did, but that's okay, it was still a great time.
The Morazan is still a great deal in my opinion. Even several of the girls pointed out that they like it better than the Del Rey or Presidente. It's quieter, they say, and more tranquilo. I find the maid service to be great there, and no chica fee for me, anyway, not the last 2 times, even with 2 girls in the room. The shower was even better this time, so for $40/night including taxes, with the Tico Times coupon, it was a great deal, and they also have safes in the rooms.
As for Fat Ricky/Ricardo the bellboy there, I made him work for his tip this time, as I did not like the first room they showed me so he had to run downstairs and change the key for me and show me another room; I then did not feel so bad about giving him a mil for his efforts.
As for the taxi thing, when leaving there, I always get my own outside, and have them use the maria. It was $13 which is at least a couple dollars cheaper than having Ricky/Ricardo get it for you.
By the way, the cost of the taxi from the airport is now $13. $1 more is not much difference considering the rising cost of gas.
All in all another great time in San Jose'! Wish I could go about every month or two, but this will be my last trip for a long time, for various reasons.
Johnny Sax
08-20-06, 03:20
I'd like to add a comment as one of the frequent offenders. I COMPLETELY agree that this section should keep its focus on posting photos or at worst that and comments about those photos and that other type comments should go in one of the many other more appropriate sections.
The problem is, as Johnny alluded to, that it is too easy to get sidetracked. Even if some guys take it upon themselves to admonish others there will always be some guy who forgets or newbie who doesn't know any better. And, while moving those side discussions to other sections is a not a bad idea, who is going to do it? I'm sure the admin has a lot on his plate already. A good case in point is the very post that started this latest string of commentary. It started with a post on 2-fers by a new member Dark Rum who even though it was an excellent post happened to put it in the wrong forum. Rather than police it or move it, the admin recommended it for "Reports of Distinction" (which I agree it deserves). How do you cut a piece out of a thread and move it elsewhere without also moving the commentary it spawned? I don't see any easy answers here.
I agree that it is a pain to do what I just did, which is to move the quote over to this section from the Photos section.
I am not one to enforce or become a pain in the ass about these netiquette things. It's just that obviously there have been complaints about posting threads of discussions in the Photos section, so I think we should at least TRY to not allow threads to go on there. Someone just has to take the initiative to move it over to here or another one of the discussion forums.
We can at least SUGGEST that the discussion be moved over to here...
Sax,
Thanks for the update on Bar Monaco. I was going to try it but both you and a taxi friend here are saying, No. Right now, I am enjoying the Blue Marlin atmosphere.
A more complete report on my visit, after I return on Wednesday.
Johnny Sax
08-22-06, 19:15
Dark Rum wrote (in the photos section):
" Two-fers
Has anyone truly had success with getting 2 girls at once and have them live up to what is advertised.
My experiences with this has left me to believe that one on one is the way to go.
The Straw that broke the camels back:
Two girls in the Del Rey approached me with:
1. CIM
2. I could take pics of them doing each other.
3. One would eat out the other while I photographed.
4. One would allow me to do her anal.
5. I could take a pic hitting one from behind while she is eating her friend.
6. Promised up to atleast 2 hours if I needed
Sounds too good to be true? There's more.
7. , A no expense guarantee if not satisfied (wink) 8. The asking was 60 each but. Not really feeling in the mood and they were not the stunners that you really make this trip for. So I declined. After they would not go away. I figured it was early and that maybe this would be something different just to get the pistol warmed up for the evening. I felt that maybe I could get some value out of this.
I negotiated down to 100US total for the both of them 2 and the confirmation that I could unload twice. Sounded reasonable to me 50 each 1 load apiece
As luck would have it. IT WAS A DEAL!
Well, it was a deal up until show time.
Being tired and not really on my game because of the long flight. I fell for the payment first trick. In which I have never had a problem with in the past the few times that I have agreed to it. I found that it takes the tension out of it for most woman, because some guys can be j-asses. But of course the risk is that you have given away leverage for a bad performance.
Well, everything started off well enough with both hitting the shower. And then the typical BJ from one while the other one throws boobs in your face.
Then fvcking began. I mean me getting screwed.
To make a dissappointing story short.
There was:
No CIM
No Anal
No Girl Show to speak of.
After I unloaded on one. They both began to head to the showers.
Well I was tired, and I was willing to take less. But not that much less.
I asked about what happened to the 2nd unload and they said well I only gave them $50 apiece. Oh yeah that reminds me. They tried to snooker me on the price because I gave them 20K in colones and 10 in american. And they wanted 5 more each saying that it didn't equate to 50 american when I know damn well it was over 50. They tried to convince me that 10k colones was 18 american. I should have stopped the proceeding there.
Anyway, when they tried to shower up without me atleast getting a second unload. I objected to the point where I started walking to the phone to call the front desk (Morazon). Not sure exactly what I was going to say or what they could do. But I had to show some kind of action.
With this one of the girls returned and attempted to wake up Mr Willy with a BJ, but buy this time, I was so tired and annoyed. I just wanted them out. But just out of principle. I had her sit there for the struggle because I knew I wasnt getting back up because my spirit for the whole event was broken.
So after an unsuccessful attempt at a BJ and an even worse attempt at a HJ. I dismissed them without a word except please leave.
I do have pics of the 2 that I would like to post, but the file is too large. If anyone can give me a tip to make it smaller. I will post it for the team under the title. BEWARE. BAD Business."
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Yes, it is good to be very careful when inviting two chicas back to your room; but this didn't turn out ALL THAT bad, really.
As to your question, "Two-fers - Has anyone truly had success with getting 2 girls at once and have them live up to what is advertised?"
The answer is yes. I am an afficianado of 2-fer's and I have had several good experiences, in fact I am batting 1000 with this.
The best way is at Zona Blue or one of the other massage parlor type places. That way things are under control, the price is set, and you don't have to worry about them getting into your suitcase etc.. Just take the money you need, no more, and you don't have to worry about them stealing anything; though I have never heard of anyone at Zona Blue getting robbed, anyway.
As for getting 2fers at the Blue Marlin, I've had 4 or so there, and all have turned out very well. None were lesbians, however; I only got that at Zona Blue. But I've brought back several 2somes for 3somes to the Morazan and all have turned out very welll. In fact if you do a search you can find some photos.
The bottom line is, you never really know how ANY girl is going to react once back in the room; it's an "art" to choose girls who do what you want them to do, and sometimes even the best of us are "off our game". (See the photo section for a "Venezuelan" girl who pulled the wool over my eyes this last trip.)
If you have your stuff locked away in the room there isn't that much risk, just the colones...
By the way, of the 2fers I've had, I've paid $90-130 each session, including tips. My very best one $100.
Thanks for the reply and insight Johnny Sax. Your right...it wasn't that horrible of experience because I hedged my bet by only paying $100 for the 2.
The issue was more the changing of the stated terms and conditions...and the continued haggling for extra dollars as if I wouldn't know the exchange rate...when if you they just had done what was agreed upon, they would have been fairly rewarded over and above for there efforts.
And all this on the heels of just arriving and dealing with the voltures (cab drivers) at the airport and then....Fat Boy/Ricky Ricardo at the Morazon who feels the need to carry your soft drink up to your room so he can hang around for a tip.
I believe it is the longest walk in mongering...the walk from baggage claim/custom declaration in Costa Rica to the cab stand...After traveling for Un-teen hours...the mind and the spirit is just not ready for the onslaught...
With all that being said...I have a couple burning questions.
1. Been to Zona Blue on occasions...and each time I could hear an echo and actually play cards with the bartender if I chose. Is there ever a large volume of girls there? or Is it always picking between the 4 or 5 there who seem disinterested? I know people have had good experiences...what are the peak days and times...and is there ever the volume of girls there as there is at the New Fantasy
2. Sportmans Lounge. I have read the post of a few where they had an excellent time there. But on my visits...again...seemed like a ghost town and sporadic chicas to choose from? What gives with this place. What are the Peak hours? Is there ever more men then woman in this place?
3. I am always mystified by the lobby bar in the Morazon. It is relatively empty at night during prime time....and in the early morning hours...when the sun is coming up until breakfast...it is louder and more lively then the BM. But it always looks as if there are locals in there...people not into the trade. What gives on this place? Do I need to make a deal with Ricky Ricardo?
Any insight is appreciated.
Hola gentes. It's a great education reading this forum, greatly appreciate the comments and thoughtful insights offered here!
I've been following the hotel discussion and have a question. Suppose you've done enough time in grubby hotels that it's worth it to you to spend a little more for a nicer, cleaner place from which to enjoy your CR visit?
A place within easy reach of the action and reasonably tica friendly, but maybe a cut above scalding showers (why isn't this an instant disqualifier?) and toilet troubles. A place where you can actually sleep when you want to, maybe even w/o earplugs. A place where you maybe even have a balcony and a view, just to make it nicer when you are in the room.
What hotel might this be? Appreciate any suggestions.
Member #2041
08-23-06, 16:28
LL - the problem is, places that are in the Marriott class or similar in San Jose are not located anywhere near the action. IMHO, the best place close to the action is the Sportsman's Lodge, which is actually a quite nice place, but can be a bit noisy due to wooden floors, and also lacks the amenities of a large full service hotel (such as a pool and fitness center) - but it's a nice pleasant boutique hotel with great service from the excellent staff.
And the Presidente, which is, basically, a decent 3* international class hotel, but not at the level you are seeking, apparently.
I believe that you could stay in the very upscale Marriott Los Suenos, and still frequent the bars in Jaco (which are around a 10 minute drive away) and bring back a lady from the Beatle Bar or other venue in Jaco for the night's entertainment, but it will be inconvenient - especially if you are looking for multiple short time encounters, rather than one all-nighter.
The SL and the Prez certainly can have their noise troubles due to so many hard surfaces, however if you want a more upscale room another route to consider is to stay in one of their suites. All of those hotels have some very nice rooms if you're willing to spend the bucks.
Johnny Sax asked about anyone else who tried it.
A few years ago I tried 2 girls in my hotel room at the Del Rey.
What I remember is the girls acted like nurses, every time I wanted to insert into the other girl they made a 5 minute interruption to remove the old condom, tear open a new one, roll it on, and roll it on tight. It made me lose my concentration and fun.
The same thing happened with me at HDL. I had two girls and everytime I wanted to switch from one to the other, it was a condom change. Distracting to say the least.
Johnny Sax
08-24-06, 07:34
Thanks for the reply and insight Johnny Sax. Your right...it wasn't that horrible of experience because I hedged my bet by only paying $100 for the 2.
The issue was more the changing of the stated terms and conditions...and the continued haggling for extra dollars as if I wouldn't know the exchange rate...when if you they just had done what was agreed upon, they would have been fairly rewarded over and above for there efforts.
And all this on the heels of just arriving and dealing with the voltures (cab drivers) at the airport and then....Fat Boy/Ricky Ricardo at the Morazon who feels the need to carry your soft drink up to your room so he can hang around for a tip.
I believe it is the longest walk in mongering...the walk from baggage claim/custom declaration in Costa Rica to the cab stand...After traveling for Un-teen hours...the mind and the spirit is just not ready for the onslaught...
With all that being said...I have a couple burning questions.
1. Been to Zona Blue on occasions...and each time I could hear an echo and actually play cards with the bartender if I chose. Is there ever a large volume of girls there? or Is it always picking between the 4 or 5 there who seem disinterested? I know people have had good experiences...what are the peak days and times...and is there ever the volume of girls there as there is at the New Fantasy
2. Sportmans Lounge. I have read the post of a few where they had an excellent time there. But on my visits...again...seemed like a ghost town and sporadic chicas to choose from? What gives with this place. What are the Peak hours? Is there ever more men then woman in this place?
3. I am always mystified by the lobby bar in the Morazon. It is relatively empty at night during prime time....and in the early morning hours...when the sun is coming up until breakfast...it is louder and more lively then the BM. But it always looks as if there are locals in there...people not into the trade. What gives on this place? Do I need to make a deal with Ricky Ricardo?
Any insight is appreciated.
1) I usually go to Zona Blue around 6-7pm just because that is when I am usually ready to go. I have heard it is better earlier than that, but I don't know. There are often only 5-6 girls there, true. But I've usually found one or two of the group who act interested and one who interests me. My wing man has trouble finding anyone there who he likes, in the short length of time he is there with me, so he isn't a big fan. I guess it depends on how picky one is; how lucky one is; and what time one goes. I have had great luck there with several girls and I like the place a lot.
2) I have only been to the SL once and I have the same impression as you. My feeling is that this place is probably best for those who stay there; that if you stay there you get to know all the girls who come in and out and you can probably connect with one that way. When I was there, there were only 5-6 girls, they were all busy with clients and I felt like I was at a private party without an invitation. I'll check it out again sometime. The food was okay and the place looks nice, but even though I am not a young guy, the place seemed too "old" for me, and not very appealing; though, again, physically it looks quite luxurious, at least in the bar and lobby areas.
3) I never pay much attention to the bar at the Morazan. I have noticed it being busy in the morning now that you mention it, but I have never noticed any chicas working in there, so I tend to just pay it little attention.
As to LL's comment about why not disqualify the Morazan due to its scalding showers? I will answer thus:
1) This time around my shower was fine, and in fact all was a-ok with my room there.
2) Even with the scalding shower, for $35/night, it's fine, when my usual routine is to go to sleep around 1am and wake up to start my day at 6-7am. All I need is a quiet place to get 5-7 hours of shuteye.
3) It's so damned convenient, it's fantastic. One block from the Del Rey and Key Largo, and no chica fees.
I'm glad people don't like it, so I can keep finding a room there. Just like people are glad that I refuse to stay at the Presidente because of their Draconian chica dress code policy. To each his own.
Srichm3501
08-24-06, 19:28
Hello everyone,
I'm going to be in Costa Rica in the San Jose area for a week next month and would like to know what the going rate at Zona Blue and other places like that are. I don't what to mess up the going rate by offering too much. Could someone please let me know?
Thanks,
Steve
$120.00 was a good deal and you most likely screwed yourself when you bargined down.First of all, to my pal Johnny Sax, I hate to do an "I told you so", but now you see what I meant when I spoke about "no easy answers". You can repost posts like Dark Rum's that were posted in the wrong forum to try and get the ensuing discussion moved but unless you exorcise every part of it and post referring to it from the original thread someone's going to come in late and start it all over again. Still I agree with you, at least you can try.
But back to the issues raised by the quote above. One could debate whether or not the $120 was a good deal or not, but I'd have to disagree with the rest of that reply.
First of all , does Rebad really think these gals would have provided that much better service that it would have made any real difference if he had paid them the $20 more they originally asked? These gals were hustlers and as it turns out they have hustled at least one other guy around here as well. If he had paid their asking price they probably would have been JUST as bad and he'd be out $20 more.
Second of all, a certain amount of bargaining is perfectly normal part of the whole process and any chica that has been working th BM any length of time understands this. Is rebad suggesting that guys should never bargain for risk of offending the poor sensitive girls? They're hookers for chrissakes, in this case experienced hardened hookers. They've seen alot and, despite any show to the contrary, they're not going to break if god forbid some guy isn't willing to pay the amount they're asking.
What about cien por hora? Is he suggesting one shouldn't bargain that down $20 for risk of offending some chica? I think that part of the reason the chicas ask $100 is to allow room for the normal bargaining process. That allows them to still walk away with most of what they asked for and really expected and occasionaly, when they find some sucker who doesn't understand bargaining, walk away with a real prize. They don't necessarily provide that guy any better service because of it because they see that guy as a fool who doesn't know any better and who can thus be taken advantage of even more. I'll agree that hard bargaining (like offering $20 when the chica asks for $100) or bargaining on already low rates (like trying to bargain a $40 BM chica down to $30) is unrealistic and possibly can severely impact quality of subsequent service. But if $120 for 2 was a decent deal, it apparently wasn't that great a deal or Dark Rum wouldn't have initially walked away and the 2 chicas wouldn't have continued to pursue him.
This brings me to my last point. Whether it was a good deal or a bad deal or not, it was THE deal. The chicas agreed to it and therefore they should have delivered. There are simply no excuses for that.
Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine.
Dont be cheap.I understand what Rebad meant here. But one should be very careful how one reads it. Don't pay the girls "what they request after the session" or at least not what THEY initially requested back at the bar. Pay the girls what you BOTH agreed to back at the bar and, as Rebad correctly said, pay them AFTER the session. But again, be careful what you read here. You can also pay them more than you initially agreed to after the session as a form of tip IF, and I repeat IF, they delivered more than what you were expecting (it also helps to announce it in advance that a little extra may be in offing if they do a really good job). A ho-hum session, or worse a session like Dark Rum, doesn't deserve anything more than what was agreed to and if they really failed to deliver arguably deserves less. Determining a fair pro-rated amount is always going to be a problem and therefore it is a scenario that is best avoided from the outset if at all possible. Often it comes down to the victim just paying the originally agreed amount to get them to go away and feeling ripped off as a result. The chicas will also act deeply put out that you should even balk at paying them for their lackluster performance, but as soon as they're gone they'll just curse the cheap gringos while running back to the BM to find another one to pull the same stunt on. To those chicas it may seem like we're all cheap (not so cheap that they don't continue to seek us out), but in reality they bring it on themselves.
Silent Nited
08-26-06, 06:08
Anyone going to San Jose during this time? Traveling with a couple of buddies, planning to stay at Sportsmen Lodge. If you want to grab a brew or two, let me know.
thank you johnny sax for your reply. i was beginning to think it was my cologne.
as a true opportunist, i will continue to show diversity visiting all (or as many as worthy) the different venues. i will turn down the expectation level or turn up the rap when going to places like zona blue or sportsmens. but that is soooooooo contradictory to what we all go for. we are the prey and the target of the hunt. not the other way around in most cases. we are the hunter being captured by the game (no pun intended).
johnny, it just appears to be the del rey and key largo are the best bargains in town as far as volume, although i have gone to new fantasy a few times and the couches were lined with chica's although you may have had to fish for a good one.
if anyone else knows of a place in costa rica that provides the same relative volume, i am sure the quality will vary. please let me know.
sidebar: it's a pain in ass (no pun intended) if you're an ass man new fantasy. all the girls are always sitting down and you have to do a stinkin police line-up just to get a peek at the rump or wait for someone to walk through the doors.
and well detailed chase star. thanks for your clarity to rebad maybe some people think this is an absolute science. quite frankly, its not that i invariably got less then what i paid. it was that the agreement in principle wasn't fulfilled. and as chili mike beautifully backed me up on. these were vultures on the hunt. and being as though it was my first exposure to them. and i sensed the possibility. i took a chance with 100 being what i was willing to lose. and if that's being cheap so be it. if i would have given them 120 from the start which was there first offer. possibly they would have felt they left money on the table and the money games would have really begun. and possibly the level of service would not have changed any. its all part of the game. giving them what you want verse giving them what you want them to have. and then both parties finding satisfaction. the word loves an arm-chair quarterback.
the short of it is. you assess the situation. when you know your taking a gamble (and it always is to some extent). you determine how much you are willing to lose in the worst case scenario and the probability of that coming to pass verse how much you really want it /got to have it. and you roll the dice. the formula changes for every girl or situation.
i agree payment afterwards is key and should be practiced most always, but again it doesn't guarantee a great performance or better performance then if you paid before, during or wired it or paid more or less. it certainly can buy you some leverage, but in the end (for me) i kind of like my vacations drama free. and quibbling over something that can be as subjective as performance (even when you know its bad) isn't worth it (for me). it's a lesson learned, cut your losses, call her be*tch and go on to the next one with a renewed spirit. i have payed first only on an exception basis to maintain a certain comfort level and it continuied to keep the mood in my favor, most times if i have to worry about someone performing as they should. that's one that never see's the hotel room. it's all a calculated and fun crap shoot.
but oh the pressure will be on not to have 2 duds in a row.
ChiliMike, What's the scoop on Jaco?
I don't want to run into anymore of your Ex's who don't perform as stated like in the Del Rey. LOL
I might be there in a few weeks? I need an suggested itinerary for 3 days and the obvious most do's and don'ts. Haven't been there.
And knowing the optimium place to stay for someone in the trade would be nice too
Thanks
Anyone going to San Jose during this time? Traveling with a couple of buddies, planning to stay at Sportsmen Lodge. If you want to grab a brew or two, let me know.Have you got your reservation? Your problem might be that there are actually too many guys in San Jose during that time. The annual Don Gordo Birthday Bash slash CRT Anniversary Party weekend occurs every Labor Day weekend. At last count well over 100 guys had signed up for it and that doesn't even count the regular traffic of guys like you who come to CR around holiday periods and don't even know about it. Some guys just come for a quick weekend getaway. Some come for the weekend and the week leading up to it. But many will take advantage of the 4 day work week and take their vacation from 9/2-9/10.
The Hotel Presidente in San Jose is offline this weekend, Aug 26, 27.
I hope they will be up Monday.
Okay, now DarkRum, I'll have to disagree with you somewhat. And you were doing so well until you got to that part about sometimes paying up front. On that score I'll definitely have to go with Rebad.
Maybe in some locales, paying up front is the norm or what's expected. It certainly seems to be that way many times when it comes to domestic mongering in the US. However, in CR unless you're on-site at an MP or strip joint, take-out should always be paid after the deed.
OTOH, its certainly important to always pay them at the end what you agreed to pay them beforehand back at the bar if they delivered to the letter, even if not completely the spirit, of your agreement. Its when guys fail to do that that chicas beging to feel justified to ask for the money upfront. Hell, I would too if I had been stiffed before by some asshole.
But back to talking about a normal situation,. Chicas will often ask for the money upfront (it never hurts to ask), even if you clearly specified payment when complete back at the bar, but most will not be too insistent and will settle for your reassurances that payment will be forthcoming when you're done. From the monger's perspective there is little if anything to be gained by agreeing to paying beforehand. The risk that the fact she has money in hand will reduce her commitment level to perform at a service level that will truly satisfy you is much greater than the alternative risk of her worrying about payment will negatively impact service worse. The reason again being that payment at the end is generally accepted mongering principle (GAMP) and she already understands how it is supposed to be played.
As I said before, most will ask for advance payment but understand that isn't normally the way it's done and will easily accept it. Very rarely, you'll get a chica that is more insistent. In those cases, it is certainly possible that if you absolutely refuse and get her to eventually give in that the session will be negatively effected but it is just as possible that there is another reason why she is so insistent, that being that she often leaves guys feeling unsatisfied or ripped off and has had problems in collection due to her own fault. In the first case, you may be messing up what could have been a golden session by being insistent, but it ain't worth the risk. If it gets to the point you have to argue that point with her that strongly, you probably should tell her "thanks, but no thanks" because at that point the atmosphere will probably have been irretrievably poisoned whether you finally agree to pay her or she agrees to wait. In the latter case, since she was probably going to shortchange you regardless of whether you argued the point or not or ultimately gave in or not, so just consider yourself lucky that you found out before you went any further.
Ideally, you should always make it clear "pague cuando está terminado" before you even leave the bar. That way you're upfront from the start and she has no basis to insist on anything else. If she tries to change the terms of the agreement before you even get started, I'd send her packing with nada. Occasionally, you forget to specify and if she's insistent on payment upfront I MIGHT show her I've got the cash to reassure or even put it on the dresser or TV and repeat "solamente cuando está terminado, okay" but thats as far as I'll ever go.
Excellent post and great advice Chase Star. If I find a hot chica that I just have to get in the sheets , but insists on prepayment, I offer her 1/2 upfront and the rest when were done. This usually works, except for the hardened Colombians who plan on ripping you off.
BTW, does anyone know how to say " I will pay you 1/2 now and the rest when were done" in Spanish?
Thanks in advance.
Devo
I speak Spanish and even though I make it clear with the chicas that I will not pay before, when they get to the room all of a sudden they forget the agreement and want money upfront. From personal experience, at that point you should just tell her forget it because you will not be getting your monies worth. They will agree so not to lose out on making some money.
"Te pago mitad del dinero antes y el otro mitad despues", is how you would say I'll pay you half before and half afterwards.
Silent Nited
08-28-06, 04:53
Anyone familiar with this place?
Silent nited, Sudamer is fine. I have a few feeinds who have stayed there and like the place and understand the owner is very helpful. Personally I usually stay at Vista Linda apartments.rbc100
First of all , does Rebad really think these gals would have provided that much better service that it would have made any real difference if he had paid them the $20 more they originally asked? These gals were hustlers and as it turns out they have hustled at least one other guy around here as well. If he had paid their asking price they probably would have been JUST as bad and he'd be out $20 more.
Second of all, a certain amount of bargaining is perfectly normal part of the whole process and any chica that has been working th BM any length of time understands this. Is rebad suggesting that guys should never bargain for risk of offending the poor sensitive girls? They're hookers for chrissakes, in this case experienced hardened hookers. They've seen alot and, despite any show to the contrary, they're not going to break if god forbid some guy isn't willing to pay the amount they're asking.
Chase,
Im OhioBob on CRT and I know my shit.
Here's the deal. we talk about the girls, the girls talk about us. If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well.
Its a 2 way street.
Don't overpay but Don't be cheap.
Johnny Sax
08-29-06, 21:11
Hello everyone,
I'm going to be in Costa Rica in the San Jose area for a week next month and would like to know what the going rate at Zona Blue and other places like that are. I don't what to mess up the going rate by offering too much. Could someone please let me know?
Thanks,
Steve
The going rate is whatever you can negotiate and it depends on the girl; if she's very beautiful and in demand, you won't get her for $50. If she's cute but not what EVERY guy wants, and she's not getting lots of looks and offers, you might get her for $50.
I usually never go for the hottest girl in the room. My experience is that if she's the hottest chick (or one of the hottest chicks) in the room:
1) She will most certainly want $100 or more.
2) She probably will know she can come back and easily make more money, so she's likely to want to hurry and get back.
3) She probably has an attitude that isn't conducive to having a good time
4) She probably won't put that much effort into it; she doesn't have to
Sorry to all the hot chicks out there because I realize I am generalizing here, and unfairly in some cases. I realize there are exceptions, in fact I have HAD very hot chicks who had a good attitude. But in general, I think the above applies.
On the other hand, I realize that some guys just WANT that super hot body and face and don't care so much about the personality or attitude, as I do. So do what you have to do... My approach, since I am willing to go with a 7 or 8 if I feel she has a great attitude and will offer me a better overall experience, is this:
I will offer her $50. She will either be offended, in which case I will move on; or she will counter with $80 or something. I will counter with $60. If she says no to that, and if I REALLY WANT her bad, or maybe she is a 9, I might offer $70. $70 is my top and I don't usually pay it, but if I do it will be because I've gotten a good vibe off her and feel she WILL show me a great time, no hurry, no demanding more money, no b.s...
I also differ from others in that I almost never negotiate anything about sex acts. I let the chips fall where they may. I don't really care if she will only blow me with a condom, or if she won't do anal, any of that stuff. All I care about is having a good time with her, a GFE if you will, and I find that usually happens because I've gotten to know her a bit and shown her a good time, made her laugh, or gotten her excited about sex, danced with her, or algo... And maybe it's because I speak fluent espanol, I am usually able to make a connection with a girl, and I think that is what really counts. They really appreciate it if you can speak Spanish.
So usually I negotiate nothing except the price, and then I let things unfold. I have something like a 90% success record with this approach, but I can see that it probably doesn't work for everyone. You have to have enough intuition to choose the right chica, and you have to be able to speak enough Spanish to make a connection.
Hope this helps.
Johnny Sax
08-29-06, 21:17
First of all, to my pal Johnny Sax, I hate to do an "I told you so", but now you see what I meant when I spoke about "no easy answers". You can repost posts like Dark Rum's that were posted in the wrong forum to try and get the ensuing discussion moved but unless you exorcise every part of it and post referring to it from the original thread someone's going to come in late and start it all over again. Still I agree with you, at least you can try.
You're right. It has to be caught very early in the thread, then post a note:
"It is requested that this discussion continue in the Trips Report forum, where the original post has been moved to" or something like that...
However, I don't come here that often, so the chances of my catching it are slim. It may indeed be a lost cause, a losing battle, a good idea that will never work! Oh well... Maybe an occasional reminder there when we DO check in the photo forum: "Please post all non-photo related discussions in the Trips Report forum"...
Johnny Sax
08-29-06, 21:24
Chase,
Im OhioBob on CRT and I know my shit.
Here's the deal. we talk about the girls, the girls talk about us. If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well.
Its a 2 way street.
Don't overpay but Don't be cheap.
I also operate with your stated philosophy:
"If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well. "
For me, I dont think it's so much that the word gets around about us, as it is that if you treat them right, if you approach them with some respect and dignity, instead of treating them like they're some sub-human hooker, then they will appreciate that and give you good service back, maybe more than service, maybe actual respect and dignity... Know what I mean? I think there is a kind of "Instant Karma" at work, that you get what you give out much of the time. I try to establish a connection with the girl, then just let things play out, and most of the time I end up getting a gfe or near-gfe.
I speak Spanish and even though I make it clear with the chicas that I will not pay before, when they get to the room all of a sudden they forget the agreement and want money upfront. From personal experience, at that point you should just tell her forget it because you will not be getting your monies worth. They will agree so not to lose out on making some money.
"Te pago mitad del dinero antes y el otro mitad despues", is how you would say I'll pay you half before and half afterwards.Thanks for the great info!
Devo
I also operate with your stated philosophy:
"If we treat them fair the word gets around and they will treat us well. "
For me, I dont think it's so much that the word gets around about us, as it is that if you treat them right, if you approach them with some respect and dignity, instead of treating them like they're some sub-human hooker, then they will appreciate that and give you good service back, maybe more than service, maybe actual respect and dignity... Know what I mean? I think there is a kind of "Instant Karma" at work, that you get what you give out much of the time. I try to establish a connection with the girl, then just let things play out, and most of the time I end up getting a gfe or near-gfe.
Exactly,
You are not buying a watch or DVD from a street vendor where bargining is expected.
You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor.
I often have had a girl come up and say I find you attractive and (blank) tells me your a gentleman.
The girls do talk about us trust me.
It doesn't hurt that I'm a good lover and a sexy bitc* as well.
RebadBob,
I'd agree with "Don't overpay but Don't be cheap." But what you started with was "Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine. Dont be cheap." And I feared some newbie reading that, would misconstrue it to mean "Don't bargain, pay their original asking price", which I'd definitely NOT agree with. Now you're saying "You are not buying a watch or DVD from a street vendor where bargining is expected. You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor." Give me a break. Of course, we should treat them with respect as we should any fellow human being. But that doesn't mean negotiating the terms of what is basically a commercial transaction even if it is for personal services has to be demeaning. Its just being realistic. And how can you say that bargaining is not expected in this situation when it is by far more the norm than not. We all bargain, or at least most of us do, or else everyone would be paying the $100/hr that nearly all the chicas initially ask for. The real question is not whether but how we go about it.
Invariably their first asking price IS overpaying, but the chicas try for it because a) some fools will actually pay it and b) they know most guys will try to bargain them down at least a little and if they start high they'll end up at a price they were really expecting to begin with. It may seem silly. Why not just offer a fair price to begin with? Well a few do, but there is much about what these chicas do that does not make a lot of sense to our gringo sensibilities.
OTOH, there are many guys who expect to get rates that are just as ridiculous as their $100 price but in the OTHER direction. There are guys who CLAIM to pick chicas out of the HDR/BM for rates as low as $40/hr or even less. IMHO, such claims are either a) bullshit, b) for the fugly chicas that I wouldn't fuck with your dick, c) the result of extremely hard bargaining that more often than not breaks down at the bar but if a deal is struck really does result in less than enthusiastic service back at the room or d) for regulars who they've been with before and have established some sort of rapporte (which might include excessive tips that chicas have come to expect and which make the real cost of the session much closer to what everyone else is paying). To the extent such claims are true, I would have to agree with you that it is completely possible to be too cheap.
So what it comes down to is finding some happy medium from bargaining too hard and coming off as cheap or not bargaining at all which in most cases does result in overpaying in the HDR/BM. If the chica starts with a reasonable offer, maybe you won't have to bargain at all or not by much, but that won't happen that often. Another component of bargaining is setting the terms of service, exactly what acts will be performed or for how long. When cien por una hora is replaced with cien por dos, that is still bargaining. Finally, a big part of it is how you do your bargaining. If its done playfully and with a bit of a laugh on both sides, I don't think a little pre-session bargaining has to be a mood-killer.
Always paying the initial asking price will bring you a reputation, but not necessarily the type you think or would like. You'll be marked as a sucker who can easily be taken advantage of. If you want to develop a reputation that will help you out, it doesn't even have to be about money. Treat them nice when you are out with them and back at your room and you'll develop a rep that might enable you to negotiate better rates. Alternatively, if a chica is asking too much or you're unsure whether she'll be worth it. Negotiate a fair rate and offer to pay the balance as a tip if the service is good AND if it IS pay the propina. That seems a better way of guaranteeing good service than paying top dollar upfront for service of unknown quality.
One final point back on the original post that I wanted to make is that your advice might make sense in a general sense, but this discussion arose from a report of a guy who was approached by 2 hustlers for $120 and not being that interested because they weren't that hot but probably also because of monger radar countered with $100 or just $20 less. $120 may have been a fair deal if the chicas in question were more credible. A $20 reduction is by no means a huge reduction from the price that they themselves initially offered AND they agreed to it fairly readily. Finally there is the rest of the story about how badly that session turned out. Bottom line: in THIS particular case, it wasn't a bad session because he bargained them down by a relatively small amount. A bad session was undoubtedly in the cards no matter how much he paid. These were bad players and while many chicas in the HDR/BM may seem like sweeties just trying to earn a living and to a large extent most are), there are many if not most (perhaps not all quite as bad as those 2) that will con swindle an unsuspecting gringo out of a buck if they got half a chance (and its not always easy to tell which is which). And as an experienced
Cheers all,
So I'm back fairly recently from a stay in CR, at the beginnings and ends of which I tarried a few days in SJO.
I've always been a Presidente guy, walking the short two blocks to DR/KL back and forth and then taking the occasional cab or bus to the outlying POI's. But as we all know those two blocks get sketchier and sketchier; the Presidente more hoidytoidy; and the attractions of Oasis and its neighbors more tempting. So this time I'd had enough of all that... So here are my results.
I stayed at the Hotel Ambassador, a slightly worn out but very serviceable joint right opposite Pizza Hut on Paseo Colon, between C26 and C28. They are easy to book--they have a website. It's about $44/night and the rooms are pretty spacious.
It worked well. If you are serious about this business, you can spend your day, from 10 am to 7 pm, having three or four hour-long sessions at Oasis and its sister around the corner, and then during your refactory periods use the internet at Paseo Colon and C32, or eating nice cheap Colombian food at Kos across the street from the internet, or getting more colones at ScotiaBank at PC and C24, or stocking up on goods at the supermarket at CC and C26. That's to say, it's ALL there. Then when you finally stagger out of Oasis for the last time, you can have a beer and some nice Peruvian food at Machu Picchu.
What about DR/KL? Well, you were going to have to take a cab there ANYWAY given the neighborhood. And from the Amabassador, at night, when the traffic isn't so bad, you can get a cab there for about 900 col., taking only five minutes. (When you leave DR/KL, do NOT accept a cab offer from one of the scumbags hanging around--grab a guy driving THROUGH, and make sure he uses his Maria.)
I'll admit that in four days of 'work,' I only actually sprang ONCE for a DR/KL chica. But it was pretty easy. And the Ambassador was cool about it; they SAID they were charging me $10 for the guest but it never actually showed on my bill.
Btw, for Oasis and Oasis2 fans, here is a VERY quick rundown:
Original Oasis:
Gabriela, from SJ, B for service/personality, 'bout a 7.5, small, great body, no kissing. There are several Gabriela's--this one is short, black hair, tight body.
Kimberly, from Heredia, A for service/personalily, kisses, voluntary BBBJ (super skilled), bubbly personality, bout a 6.5, like sex
Leticia, my fave at Oasis1, A+ for service/personality, from Limon, nice tight body, voluntary BBBJ, lots of kissing, charming personality, likes sex
Laura, from SJ, had a cough and seemed down, attractive enough; there are several Laura's; this one has a nice face in a baleful sort of way, is slender.
Oasis2 (across from the bingo place)
Jimena, low on personality, about a 6 for me, no kissing, not very interesting but perfectly ok. This Jimena is slender, short, with a narrow face.
Cristal, this girl was oddly quiet and somewhat out of it; but she was perfectly agreeable and has a VERY beautiful face and a great bod. Fine with kissing, too. Had a tattoo 'Randy' on her upper arm.
Je'rica, a little chunky, blond curly hair, but a real live wire, LOVES sex, one of those chunky girls who looks GREAT as soon as the clothes are off. A+ for service, lots of kissing.
Gimena (she says it's spelled that way and has a "G" necklace). Somewhat chubby but very cute; from Limon, dark, braces, ADORES sex and moves like a calypso dancer, wow. Really kisses. Gets an A+.
Anyway, there you have it... I'd be very interested to compare notes on any of these sweeties...
Btw for those of you who have not been to Oasis, the bottom line is that they are ALL quality providers; and hell, for 12,000 col/hour how can you possibly go wrong.
--Sigue
Dodger Bulldog
09-05-06, 04:19
There are guys who CLAIM to pick chicas out of the HDR/BM for rates as low as $40/hr or even less. IMHO, such claims are either a) bullshit, b) for the fugly chicas that I wouldn't fuck with your dick, c) the result of extremely hard bargaining that more often than not breaks down at the bar but if a deal is struck really does result in less than enthusiastic service back at the room or d) for regulars who they've been with before and have established some sort of rapporte (which might include excessive tips that chicas have come to expect and which make the real cost of the session much closer to what everyone else is paying). To the extent such claims are true, I would have to agree with you that it is completely possible to be too cheap....
Finally, a big part of it is how you do your bargaining. If its done playfully and with a bit of a laugh on both sides, I don't think a little pre-session bargaining has to be a mood-killer.
Hey My Friend,
I don't CLAIM to have bargained virtually every chica there down to 20,000-25,000, and even sometimes 10,000. I have LIVED it, on three different trips over the past 1 1/2 years.
I've posted the photos here and none were "fugly," in my opinion, nor did it lead to bad sessions. It almost always led to fabulous ones!
A large sum of money will NOT motivate a chica to a good performance if she does not have it in her. Nor will a lower amount necessarily inhibit a quality performer who does enjoy her work!
It has often been stated on these boards that the amount paid is irrelevant to the quality of the session, and if anything, there may be an inverse proportion to price/performance.
The were only two times my price range was not acceptable: 1. With a truly perfect "ten" from Panama who knew she would snag another guy before she could even make her way to the next table, and 2. On New Year's Eve, when most chicas stayed home with their families, while those who did work were outnumbered 20-1 by the customers.
(I still hooked up with one that night for $40, but do I admit she was pretty ugly.)
You DID hit the nail on the head later in your post. Be playful but sincere. Make it fun, make it mysterious. Add value to the session in the chicas eyes, and she is likely to agree to accept your terms rather than just sit there and waste another hour earning nothing at all.
The only difference is that you are of the opinion that $40 is "too cheap," and I think it is just about right. Who is to say what is "fair" price and what isn't?
The free market system, that's who.
Only two people need to be happy in any transaction, me and my chica. So why should I pay more?
Just because a chica planted herself at the Blue Marlin, how can $40 be "too cheap" for her, while at Zona Blue it is "just right," and at Oasis it is "over-paying?"
Each man has to work his own system. I don't complain about those who, in my opinion, overpay. I just try to provide ideas and support so that the ones who do desire better prices know that it is certainly possible to achieve, while trying to help them learn how to do so.
Study this old post from this very thread for ideas on how to have tons of fun, add value and mystery to your negotiations, while giving the chicas a thrill and a challenge:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51
DB
Dodger,
You're right and I'm wrong, but I'm man enough to admit it. I shouldn't have spoken in absolutes. I still think MOST of those claims fall into those categories but I should have allowed for the possibility that they were occasionally true. Now I don't know you and my post was not addressed to you personally, but I have since reviewed a few of your posts and you seem like a cool enough guy whose ideas I tend to agree with far more than I disagree, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
HOWEVER, might I suggest that your experience is not that typical, perhaps because you speak spanish better than most, have good "game", are reasonably attractive and keep yourself fit (at least compared to the many out of shape guys you see there) and/or have developed a reputation in the short time you've been there as a guy who treats his dates well. I don't know you tell me. I'll tell you that most guys do not pay that little at the BM.
BTW, you're absolutely correct about it not being all about money and those are all good examples of how such non-financial factors can enhance ones bargaining position. In fact it works both ways. In my previous list of reasons gals ask and sometimes stick to $100, I should have added sometimes because they simply don't really want to go with a guy that doesn't appeal to them unless they're especially well compensated.
As for my "too cheap" line, that was actually a reference to an earlier post in the thread that took an even more polar opposite position from yours than mine. Maybe you should comment on that. For my part, I like to try and find the middle ground and in this case maybe I granted more than I should have. The other poster spoke out against bargaining down a chica, since it "cheapens" the experience and sets the wrong tone which, according to him, leads to worse quality service. Again his words, not mine.
I think good natured bargaining down to the real market price is not going to impair service. The near universal opening offer by chicas at the BM these days is $100 but most guys in most cases can negotiate that down to $60 without too much difficulty. That seems evidence enough to me that bargaining is the norm and that, at least to that point, it doesn't hurt service. I agree with you completely that price we pay very often has very little to do with service we get (sort of like how we all pay different prices for the exact same seats on the planes coming down there). Also $60 is a helluva lot closer to $40 than it is to $100, which suggests to me that if anyone is making a ridiculous offer, it is more on the side of the chica than ours. Getting that extra $10-20 beyond that to get what is definitely below the average market rate (for the BM anyway) is much harder to do and still keep things friendly. Knowing how far you can push it before you're better off just walking away is where the real art comes in. If you do it right and with the right chica it may not come off as cheap, but with many others it does.
As for getting that $40, that was a lot easier a few years ago than it is today, given all the newbie overspenders that are finding their way to CR these days. Still I'll grant that $40 is still sometimes possible. Usually it involves harder bargaining than most guys are willing to give. Sometimes its a simple matter of being willing to walk away which can either result in the chica gving in or you missing out on that opportunity. Of course, you could come back later and meet her price but that doesn't really count as "winning" the negotiation, does it? If you can get a chica down to $40 and still keep it friendly, I think thats great. I think these days with the easy money being thrown around the HDR, the "mafia"-like price setting influence of the colombianas (btw, one of the best ways to strike a better deal is to keep the terms quiet since most chicas don't want others to find out they're undercutting them) and unrealistic expectations.
So who sets the standard? Is $40 a fair price? It seems so to me expecially when you consider as you suggested that girls who work at MP's and are often just as pretty and often more attentive than Del Rey girls, get only $10-20 for their share of sessions. The problem is that it is not just a matter of what any of us is fair but what you can get. Like you said it comes down to what both sides can agree to and if either side is not happy they can and should just walk away.
Where I'll disagree with you is about not complaining about the guys who we think CLEARLY overpay. They raise chica expectations and standards for all of us. I'd much rather see more guys out there like you who arguably "under-pay" (if such a thing is possible from the consumer perspective) since you make the guys who pay $50-60 seem not so "cheap"
Dodger Bulldog
09-06-06, 06:16
Dodger, You're right and I'm wrong, but I am man enough to admit it...HOWEVER, might I suggest that your experience is not that typical, perhaps because you speak spanish better than most, have good "game", are reasonably attractive and keep yourself fit (at least compared to the many out of shape guys you see there) and/or have developed a reputation in the short time you've been there as a guy who treats his dates well. I don't know you tell me.
Hey Chase,
I appreciate your comments. You seem like a cool guy and I imagine that we would get along well.
In the meantime, we can share a dialogue here from which others may glean some ideas. And hopefully, add to the discussion.
To answer your questions: I speak basic, not fluent, Spanish. But I imagine that is better than most. Any guy who knows the way to San Jose but makes no effort to learn any Spanish is really shooting himself in the foot, wouldn't you agree?
Or is it in the mouth?
I have had chicas scream in glee when they hear me speak some Spanish. It shows respect for them and their culture when one at least attempts their language.
And by all means, become familiar with some popular Latin music, so you can point out when Daddy Yankee, Alex Ubago, or La Oreja De Van Gogh comes on. They eat that shit up!
Even better, buy some Latin music and play it back in your room during your sessions.
I am okay looking, but not nearly as in-shape as I wish. Since passing the big 5-0, I can't seem to rid myself of this spare tire. I guess I possess quite large appetites for wine, women, song, and good food.
I do make a point of establishing a reputation quickly. That is why I often surprise the chicas by walking them back INTO the club, as any gentlemen should do, not just out of it.
This way I can observe and assist them in telling the other chicas just how great I truly am.
Got game? I believe that is my real strength. Quite frankly, I have an advanced degree in Psychology, with special emphasis in sexual behavior. I suppose that gives me an advantage.
It is a matter of mind over body.
My mind, her body.
I am willing to share the knowledge that I've invested many years to gain.
It is freely available here for anyone who is not so ADHD that they refuse to read a post that goes beyond three sentences.
I know I better than to write very long notes, as most will not read them. So I will follow up with some specific ideas in a later post.
BTW, I do join you in cussing out those who overpay, but only under my breath. I find it does no good to lecture them.
They fall into one of three categories:
1. Those who don't know better, yet,
2. Those who are too insecure or foolish to try to do better, and
3. Those who are so wealthy they don't give a damn.
It is the first group of guys who crave the kind of help that is available on these boards. The others can scroll on by.
However, as for the second and third groups, I have developed a method to take advantage of their very largesse. I use them as to leverage to get lower prices for myself.
Stay tuned for the details on how to accomplish this.
DB
Member #2041
09-07-06, 17:39
Chase and Dodger, I think you're both really saying the same thing. Of course, it's always possible to get a better than average deal, if you are better looking, or if you have a nicer personality and charm than the average, and you put the effort into it. I certainly don't bring better than average looks to the table, but I can generally charm and joke and cajole my way to a fair price, and I've never had a chica refuse to see me again for the same price (if not for even longer for the same price).
There are, of course, ALOT of guys who take the first $100 price and go with it. They are either lazy or ignorant of the game that is being played on them. And the more of them that there are, the more that they will push up the real price, due to simple supply and demand.
Johnny Sax
09-08-06, 06:53
Chase and Dodger, I think you're both really saying the same thing. Of course, it's always possible to get a better than average deal, if you are better looking, or if you have a nicer personality and charm than the average, and you put the effort into it. I certainly don't bring better than average looks to the table, but I can generally charm and joke and cajole my way to a fair price, and I've never had a chica refuse to see me again for the same price (if not for even longer for the same price).
There are, of course, ALOT of guys who take the first $100 price and go with it. They are either lazy or ignorant of the game that is being played on them. And the more of them that there are, the more that they will push up the real price, due to simple supply and demand.
I agree that being able to speak Spanish is a BIG plus, and for the most part if you want to get really good deals you had either
1) be exceptionally good looking; or
2) be able to speak Spanish so you can talk to them and establish a connection of some sort
As for prices, some guys just don't have it in them to bargain; often they just want the girl they want, and they feel if they start bargaining downward the chick might just walk off.
I think that is why many guys just accept the $100. For example, I know a guy who will bargain for what that $100 includes (i.e; kissing, not hurrying, a full hour, etc.) but will not bargain down on the amount. Go figure.
Unfortunately guys like that make it harder for the rest of us to get someone for $40-50/hour. I still manage to get this price, sometimes (at the BM or KL I mean) but it's hard to do on any kind of regular basis. Usually I have been averaging about $60. But several times I have gotten a very good chica for $50 within the past year, and I got one for $45. Again, I don't try to get that from the hottest, sexiest chick in the room; but I don't go for fatties or uglies, either. In fact earlier in the year I had 2 very cute chicks I met in the BM for $100 for the two, and there was no bargaining involved; they just offered me that price after I talked to them for awhile. I had them twice more for that price, when they gave me their phone number. I'd say the one was a "7" (a little pudgy but young enough to call it baby fat (19); and the other was an "8" and VERY cute. Both were a lot of fun and were very relaxed and fun to be with. One had a cold the 1st time I met them and I offered her some medicine from my medicine bag. I told her to go find some herbal tea and to take plenty of vitamin c. She and her friend really appreciated that I cared, and tried to help.
For me, I think my #1 advantage is speaking fluent espanol. In fact, many girls have told me how much they appreciate my speaking fluent spanish; it makes it more fun for them.
My 2nd advantage is that I treat the chicas very nice, and like to make sure THEY have a fun time, too. And most of them like they way I make love to them. (;
I'm not bragging, I'm just reporting; because I think anyone can get these deals if they just follow this philosophy and speak some Spanish.
Dodger Bulldog
09-09-06, 01:20
BTW, I do join you in cussing out those who overpay, but only under my breath. I find it does no good to lecture them....
I have developed a method to take advantage of their very largesse. I use them as to leverage to get lower prices for myself.
Okay, here is the tip I promised.
While I'm negotiating price, in addition to describing the spread of goodies in my room that can be "earned" for great service (see http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51 ),
I also let the chica know that if I am extremely pleased, I will be happy to sing her praises when we return to the club.
I expect her to tell the other girls how wonderful it is to leave with me, while she shows off the makeup kit, perfume sampler, Hershey bars, and coloring book that I tucked under her arms as a door prize.
Of course, this helps my bargaining position with the other chicas for my future sessions.
In return I am happy to give her a killer recommendation to any monger she is trying to seduce.
It is all perfectly legit, as I only give my kiss of approval for the chicas who I feel truly deserve it.
When they are in conversation with a potential date I let the girls know that they can wave me over anytime to give my opinion to the guy on how good she was for me.
I will even allow the chicas to point out a gringo who they think is loaded or they find attractive. I then go up and "break the ice" with him to introduce her, while offering my unsolicited recommendation.
For the chicas who can get their minds around economics (some can, some can't), they will be able to see how an hour with me for $40 can quickly be turned into an easy $240 or $340 for the night.
I am happy to keep my favorites busy where they really make their money, in the bedrooms, instead of wasting their time where they just lose it, sitting on their ass in the bar.
It becomes a very symbiotic reationship: good for them, good for me.
Buena suerte,
DB
Johnny Sax
09-09-06, 02:26
Okay, here is the tip I promised.
While I'm negotiating price, in addition to describing the spread of goodies in my room that can be "earned" for great service (see http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=335029&postcount=51 ),
I also let the chica know that if I am extremely pleased, I will be happy to sing her praises when we return to the club.
I expect her to tell the other girls how wonderful it is to leave with me, while she shows off the makeup kit, perfume sampler, Hershey bars, and coloring book that I tucked under her arms as a door prize.
Of course, this helps my bargaining position with the other chicas for my future sessions.
In return I am happy to give her a killer recommendation to any monger she is trying to seduce.
It is all perfectly legit, as I only give my kiss of approval for the chicas who I feel truly deserve it.
When they are in conversation with a potential date I let the girls know that they can wave me over anytime to give my opinion to the guy on how good she was for me.
I will even allow the chicas point out a gringo who they think is loaded or they find attractive. I then go up and "break the ice" with him to introduce her, while offering my unsolicited recommendation.
For the chicas who can get their minds around economics (some can, some can't), they will be able to see how an hour with me for $40 can quickly be turned into an easy $240 or $340 for the night.
I am happy to keep my favorites busy where they really make their money, in the bedrooms, instead of wasting their time where they just lose it, sitting on their ass in the bar.
It becomes a very symbiotic reationship: good for them, good for me.
Buena suerte,
DB
I like your style! You scratch my back, I scratch your's. Or in this case, "You suck my c**k, I help you find another c**k to suck"... or something...
I may have to try this on a couple chicks next time...
Silent Nited
09-09-06, 17:40
First timer here in SJ, and the chicas are unbelieveable. We got in on Wednesday, went straight from the airport to Kryssis. OK, place, but girls werent very pretty, and it was still early. Checked into Sportsmen Lodge, not much at the bar, so we headed out to Del Rey. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined all the good looking girls. After 3 days here:
Day #1 - Cheri at Kryssis, Carla, Jackie, and two others at Del Rey, but so many names cant remember them all.
Day #2 - Five chicas, Kathi, Carla, Monica, prices from $50 - $80
Day #3 - Two chicas, Kathi and Alicia from Del Rey
I have one more full day here before I leave on Sunday.
Love Seeker
09-10-06, 16:47
i too enjoyed idem. i went there twice. the first time i went there with a group of four other mongers from the sportsman. i did not partake the first visit because i had a secession earlier in the evening and i was to pooped to pop. but i saw several girls that were very pretty, one blond very white complicated girl that i just had to return to find on my last evening in costa rica. the girl was nineteen years old and i must say gave one of the best blow jobs i have ever had (cim). cost at the idem is $42.00 but drinks are expensive there. i had one beer and bought the girl a drink. the tab was $12.00.
my favorite place in costa rica was the oasis. where a session is 12000 colon or $24.00 and they had some stone foxes there. i took two very pretty and young girls with girl/girl show for 32000 colon or $64.00. zone blue and new fantasy was just down the hill from the sportsman’s lodge where i stayed. the advantage of the idem and zone blue is there is a bar to have a drink and take your time in selection.
i liked costa rica, and would go back. i prefer the dominican republic because i like to spend tota nocha (all night) with the girl. i perfect day for me at blackbeard’s http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/index.html is to meet a pretty girl about 4:00 pm have a drink or two then have a secession (round 1), then take her to dinner about 7:00 pm. have a nice dinner and drinks about 10:00 go back to the room for round 2, then wake up about 8am for round 3, pay the nice girl 2500 pecos ($70.00 us) and buy her breakfast. this is repeated until i find a girl i want to spend a week or two with.
if you prefer long time and like darker complicated girls the dominican republic is for you. the dominican republic has girls with light to very dark skins. haitian girls are very black and there seem to be more haitians these days. i actually prefer somewhere in between, an island girl mocha is perfect for me. but personality and skills are more important to me than skin color.
if you prefer to do short time and prefer whiter girls then you may well prefer costa rica. prostitution is legal in both countries. it may come down to where you can book the best airfare and resort deal.
Dodger Bulldog
09-10-06, 18:32
If you prefer long time and like darker complicated girls the Dominican Republic is for you.
As for me, when I get away to monger I prefer the simple girls.
The complicated ones, who come from the darkside, remind me WAY too much of my ex-wives!
DB
Has anyone come across the cutest little spinner named Ivania, at the Sportsmens Lodge? She is very short, incredible spinner body, really cute and kind of shy. She loves to wear those super low-slung, "Munchkinland" hip-hugger jeans that totally show off her sexy tight little tummy, with a jean jacket over her small chest. She is a bit shy, but if you speak Spanish then her really fun and cute personality comes out. She is absolutely a tiger in bed and one of the best encounters I have ever had.
I met her a couple of weeks ago in the Sportsmens. She was sitting with a couple of girlfriends in the main salon area of the Sportsmens, on a couch near the bar, on the north side. Have any of you guys been with this total little hottie? Does anyone know how to contact her? Cell? e-mail?
Dodger Bulldog
09-15-06, 06:28
Guys,
Another tip on how to negotiate. Or more accurately, not to negotiate.
I expect that some won't believe me, and some will slam me for this approach.
1. Take a chica back to you room before ever discussing price.
2. Have great sex. It helps if the chica cums, so it is a good idea to use a Pocket Rocket on her.
3. Hand her 20,000 colones in small bills, all wadded up, while making a big deal out of the 5000 colones that is in addition for her tip and taxi fare.
I've tried this three times in CR, and it worked every time. They never even looked to count the money.
One chica returned for a repeat performance when I called her a few days later, so I think she was a happy camper.
I also have a three-step fall back position that I have used in other countries, but have not needed yet in CR:
1. If she asks for payment up front tell her that you will pay her after the session because other chicas have ripped you off, which is what you should do every time anyway.
2. If she pushes the issue once in the room, tell her you always pay 20,000. Maybe let her negotiate you up to 25,000 or 30,000 or whatever you set in advance as your limit.
3. If that is not good enough, tell her "lo siento" and show her the door. Her price is almost certain to drop drastically, since she is already invested in this deal.
But still, always pay afterwards, just in case she sours and decides to give poor service.
If you don't reach an agreement this way, walk back to the club with her and immediately walk out with a replacement right in front of her eyes.
I wish I had the balls to do it this way everytime.
DB
P.S. I wish more guys would post their negotiation strategies, so that we can all learn from each other. Thanks!
bulldog, if you are trying this on d.r or key largo girls ...i dont think i could even get them out the door....do to the fact after the 10 second greet you give them..as they say" how you doing baby" "whats your name" or the one i love" you on vacation baby"...the next 2 lines they have is "where you staying" i feel this is part of negotation process that really starts , you can almost see the girl mind start to work ...as she thinks morazan hotel 3 min walk ....maybe 5 min bj ..he looks like he might cum soon..maybe i get in out of there under a hour....then as aways the price is made right there ..yes i have had a few say you pay what you think after we are done...never would i go into a bussiness deal that way...just to many problems that could come from it...but to pull a girl out of the dr on a nite when its busy and try to give her 20,000 expect trouble...maybe this could work from 7:00 am to 12:00 or 2:00pm in the afternoon...but my guess after one blow up ...i would go back to agreeing on the price before ever getting to the room.....i have taken a few out of the bm for 40.00 but it was only when the girl had no other choices or i felt was in the need for money....but it was not easy getting them down to that price...i had to work on it....i would like to hear about what has happen to you when they found out you are only offering 20,000 and it gets ulgy....
Member #3430
09-15-06, 16:03
Hey guys!
I live in Buenos Aires and don't visit this board much, although when I lived in Florida I used to visit Costa Rica quite frequently.
I have been following this thread, and I thought perhaps some of you might be interested in my observations about hookers and Latin women in general.
For one thing I think the guy who doesn't talk about price first is way off base. Why take a chance on an unpleasent confrontation when it is so easy to avoid?
The thing you really should remember is that women in general, and particularly Latin women, don't respect men who are not "in charge". If they can push you around in the bar or club you have lost the edge and will NOT get it back.
DO NOT "NEGOTIATE"! Tell her what you will give her, and stick to that! Tell her, if you must, that you think she is beautiful/sexy/whatever but this is what you pay and no more! Be prepared to not make a deal, although quite frequently, even if she does walk away, she will come back after a little and accept, and when she does you are "in the drivers seat!"
Another thing you really should know is that if a girl doesn't want to fuck you she will often quote a high price to discourage you. Accepting this price not only shows you are a wimp, but since she didn't want to fuck you to begin with, your chances of having a good session are not good!
Don't think because you are over 40 (or 50 or 60) that that is a discouragment. Latin culture allows for young women to be with much older men - it can even be a status symbol if you aren't to shabby and/or drunk - sort of a "Look at my cool boyfriend" thing.
Be polite, but BE IN CHARGE! You will realize in short order that this is good advice.
And last (but certainly not least) the advice to learn at least some Spanish is absolutely on the mark. At least learn how to say things like "What's your name", "you are very pretty", "please and "thank you".
Any spanish will win you points, and the more you learn the better time you will have - I promise!
David
Dodger Bulldog
09-16-06, 01:11
Hey Guys, thanks to both of you for adding to the discussion!
Wish I was back in Bs. As. with you Capt Dave. Give my best to Dickhead.
The Capt extolls a lot of wisdom with his points on age, language, and being in charge of the stuation. Very well said!
Quite frankly, ChiliMike, if you walk into a club feeling the way you describe, the chicas have got you where they want you before the game begins.
The bottom line is that there are MANY ways to accomplish ones goals. No one has to play that "Hardened Professional" game that chicas invented. If you do, you lose.
They are just people, lovely people, and they like to have fun as much as we do.
I don't go into a club to pick out who I want to fuck. I go in to make a friend and have some fun. Once I figure out which appealing chica feels the same, then that is the one I will hook up with.
I mean, there is no shortage of them, right?
Let me put it another way: I learned that it is a waste of my time to go into a club looking for who I want to fuck. Instead, I am looking for someone (who appeals to me) who wants to FUCK ME!
Having lived for a year in a Latin country, I learned to set aside the "nice little white boy ways" that mommy taught me. Sure, she wanted a son who wouldn't give her any problems. It made her life easy.
But the chicas find that boring. As do all hot women everywhere.
So I learned to direct the chicas as to exactly what I expect from them. And just as the Capt said, that earns their respect, and more times than not their admiration.
After all, this is not America. You are not going to be sued or arrested for the way you approach a chica.
Oh, BTW, the three chicas I mentioned in my previous post were all taken out from the Del Rey. None complained, or even mentioned anything about the price. And the one I called to see me later in the week was very EAGER to do so.
The Capt can tell you that it is not because I am good looking, as in fact, I am both over 50 and overweight.
Rather, it is because we had fun!
I do know how to make life fun, interesting, and challenging for a chica. And that can lead to a great time for both of us.
For those who feel you have to pay what the chicas ask, only to walk away feeling taken advantage of because she rushed you and shorted you on service, I just want you to know that there are many other ways to do things. Find a method that suits you, and give it a try.
Oh, and the only two truly ugly times I have had occurred in Bs. As. when I was brand new to the game and I paid full price, in advance. Once to a chica from Black, and the other to one from Newport. Man, did I ever learn a lot from those two disasters!
I learned to always have fun, and when around the chicas, always be the man.
DB
There seems to be a lot of different philosophies on this subject. Who's to say who's right. I guess what it really comes down to is whatever seems to work for you just bearing in mind that the other guy's approach might have some merit too and what each of us do can have some indirect blowback on the rest of us and how we are perceived.
Dark Rum learned the consequences of inadequate pre-negotiating or at least the consequences of giving into the urgings of your little head. I'm sure he normally does better.
Rebad seems to think it is bad idea to negotiate down "[Dark Rum] screwed yourself when you bargined down. Pay the girls what they request after the session and you will be fine. Dont be cheap.... You are paying for a small piece of someones soul. Look at it as an honor.
Dodger Bulldog has some different and interesting ideas on negotiating. The first is to stick close to the $40 lower but negotiate the finer points like "Let's Make A Deal" including trinkets and the promise to promote each other afterwards. Alternatively, he suggests not negotiating AT ALL but springing his low (in HDR/BM market terms) rate on the girl after the session. I have to wonder if that really always ends as magically as he says. If so I think he's been EXTREMELY lucky and at the very least shouldn't rely on those chicas for too many positive reviews among their amigas.
And now Capt. Dave comes along with yet another approach (and many valid points about latin women) that like Rebad also calls for not negotiating BUT in his case doesn't negotiate UP.
I'm sorry, these approaches may work for these guys and if it does I say more power to them (well accept for any guy that doesn't believe in bargaining and automatically pays the chicas' cien por hora opening price), however I take what I think is a more neutral path.
Rebad, yes these women are people deserving of respect as fellow human beings, but their pussies aren't something made of gold to bow down to. They are in a tough business and far more often than not they have to be crafty or become that way to get ahead. That means like most people they'll try to get as much as they can for the least effort. More often than not they'll start with a high price just to see if they can get it. Sometimes, like Capt. said they ask a high price just because they really don't want to be with you. If you can't get them down quickly from that high initial price you're, again more often than not, better off just passing on the opportunity. Sometimes they'll start with what appears to be a more reasonable price and sometimes thats just what it seems, a good deal, but one need to be even more vigilant in cases like that about the devil being in the details, which means even more careful negotiating on non-price points.
If Dodger really regularly gets chicas down as low as he claims, he's a better man than I, but he really lost me on that last tactic about not talking price beforehand. First of all, there aren't too many chicas you can even get out of the HDR/BM who won't bring up price first themselves (like Chili said, right along with all the other calculating questions, where you stay, etc. etc.). If you can get them out without mentioning price it is more likely because they have a price in mind themselves that they intend to spring on you and when things finally come out in the open later it can make for a VERY "bad scene".
Finally, Capt., I really liked a lot of what you said and have found much the same thing myself. You should be kind and considerate with women from any culture, but some mongers have elevated that to a mantra and take it too far. That is what our own culture and gringas have done to us. That is not the way it works in the latin culture. A good hybrid is to combine the kindness of western culture with the firmness of the latino one. These girls often act like little children, often they aren't much older than that. They need to be treated with a firm hand. I'm sorry if that sounds paternalistic, but I think that is the way the sexes realte in the latin culture. If it makes regarding them as little children sound any better, they regard us as horney dogs.
Where I part company with Capt. is that I don't think a LITTLE flexibility on the Gringo's part makes him look weak. As ridiculous as the little dance may seem sometimes, bargaining is the way things are done at places like the HDR/BM/KL with EACH side opening with more or less, as the case may be, than they expect the other side to accept. Sure it would be simpler if there were a more or less standard rate that everyone paid adjusted up or down a little bit depending on the quality of the provider (eg 10's could ask $10 more, 5's $10 less). Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
The key is to have a reasonable price in mind beforehand of what you're prepared to pay. We all know the standard OPENING rate of $100 which unfortunately some guys pay. To a much lesser extent there is a "standard rate" or "sweet spot" which I think most FINAL agreements fall into, something in the $50-$70 range. One needs to know the real market ratebecause that is the rate she is most likely to forego (or mistakenly thinks she is going to forego) if she goes with you rather than waiting a few minutes more for the next guy and therefore becomes a good basis for your own target rate. Obviously this rate has to be adjusted by such factors as the time of day, how crowded the bar is, how hot looking she is, what sort of rapporte you and her have, your respective reps (if any) and how much action she seems to be getting.
When the chica opens with her ridiculously high price, I counter with a price lower than my target. That's my way of saying if you want to be ridiculous I can be ridiculous too. Typically she then counters with a price that is radically lower than her opening but still too high and I re-counter with my final offer. She can then either just walk away or walk away with me and the feeling she won a little something extra from me WITHOUT feeling like she was able to walk all over me. That's it. Not a lot of negotiating, just 2 prices on either side. Beyond that you might want to clarify some of the details of the encounter, but all of this should be done in the spirit of good fun (like "we both know each others game even though we won't say it"). She knows my first price was not what I was expecting any more than her opening price was seriously expected by her. Again the key is to not start so low that you have to bargain up by an amount that really does make you look weak or so high that it leaves you no room to give an inch and most importantly to stick firm to your limit (real intended price) if not your opening price or you really will look like a schmuck.
Dodger Bulldog
09-16-06, 03:57
Guys,
I certainly did not mean to leave the impression that I get away with avoiding talk of price every time. Hardly. I'm certainly not that good at the game. I specifically stated that I wished I had the guts to try it more often.
In these cases in CR and a few times in Argentina, I could tell the chica was totally into me. I had her eating out of the palm of my hand before I had the balls to try pulling this one off.
I guess it would really blow your minds if I explained how I got a 23 year old chica in Guatemala to fuck me for free four times over the course of a week after she knew that had I stolen her cell phone from her in the club. All in good fun, of course.
She loved to punch me in the arm and tell me I could never borrow her cell phone ever again. When they hit you it tells you that you are really making progress! She still emails me twice a week and asks me when I'm coimng back.
But I'm not cheap, either. After our last night I gave her a enough to return to her country and see her family, along with a boxful of presents for herself and her baby who she had not seen in eight months. Talk about building loyalty.
The only limits on us are what we place on ourselves. If you can't imagine it happening, it won't. If you can imagine it, sometimes it just might.
ANYTHING might be accomplished with chicas when you can control the inner game inside your mind, and pay attention to the signals they are sending your way.
And I keep repeating that I am nobody special, I just learned to approach them with attitude.
Any approach can be successful if you play it right. It works well for Capt Dave to compliment a chica's looks, so if that fits your personality, you should give it a try. But that is something I gave up doing a long time ago.
Instead, I'll tell her she's not my type at all. I don't do blondes (or brunettes), her tits are too big (or too little), her ass is too round (or too flat). Instead of fawning all over her looks, I'll pick them apart.
I'll tell her that I think of her as one of the guys.
Then I'll tell her (not ask her) that she needs to go around the club with me to help me find a chica who looks hot enough to be able to handle me. I might suggest that we try to find me a gringa, since I've heard Latinas are ice cold in bed.
But all the while I have a glint in my eyes and a tone in my voice that lets her know I am not at all serious, I'm just playing a game with her.
In the meantime, I am pulling her close to me by the hair on the nape of her neck, or giving her a massage on her back and shoulders.
It is all about having fun guys. How much can you make her laugh? Just keep teasing them and busting on them and doing what they least expect while making sure they are having tons of fun.
If you want to be treated different than every other gringo in the place, then it only makes sense that you need to act different and really be different, right?
DB
Dodger Bulldog
09-16-06, 04:22
sorry, i lied earlier. i just remembered another truly horrible experience that i had, this time with a chica from our very own beloved del rey.
i had been eyeing her all week since she looked just like my ex-wife's sister, who i always wanted to fuck in the worst way.
so i thought with my little head and paid no attention to any of the signs and didn't bother to win her over with my personality. i barely negotiated, quickly agreeing to pay 40,000 colones because i just had to have this babe the night before i was leaving.
she scraped me with her teeth and pummelled my balls, thinking that if she did the deed in a vigorous manner it would surely make me cum quickly. all she did was cause me intense pain.
she wouldn't accept any coaching to slow down and be gentle.
after only fifteen minutes i threw her ass out. then she had the nerve to steal a bottle of perfume from me while heading out the door. what a nightmare.
where did i go wrong?
db
So here is what I've found about Del Ray, Key LArgo, etc. I've been there a bunch, usually have a few beers in the DR or KL then move on. I have pulled a few from both, usually late at night. I always look for some rapport from the chica to avoid the tough ones, and hopefully get a better deal. I usually only get tln, not an hour, and never pay more that cien.
If a chica comes up and immediately goes into the standard 5 questions,
"What's your name?"
"Where are you from?"
"Vacation?"
"Where is your hotel?"
"You want massaggee?"
I always pass. Like someone else said below, I am looking for someone that wants to be with me, too. If the chica wants to talk a little about whatever, that helps. I speak intermediate spanish, nowhere near fluent but can talk about lots of things, know spanish grammar so I can talk in a decent manner. I ask her some questions and see how it goes. If she is flirting with me and laughing at my jokes, etc. that is a good sign. If she is in a hurry to move on, bad.
I will get her a drink, sometimes I've spent an hour or so with a chica, just talking, playing games at the bar. It can be fun, and you can build on her interest in you, too. She will usually ask for a lot for the night, $300 or so. I counter with $100 and start pulling back just a little. They will drop the price in a hurry or move on.
The key for me has been speaking spanish and treating the chicas graciously, like we are out on a date. Once I get them back to the room, I've had some devilshly great sexo with the properly selected chica.
Last time I was there, I met a cutie in this fashion, she spent the night, and talked my friggin ear off. I think that when she came across a gringo that she could talk to all night, she just let it loose. She told me about some of her regulars, going out to dinner, etc. with "difficult" to no conversation because the gringo didn't speak any spanish.
I can't imagine spending several hours with someone that I couldn't converse with. I really feel that knowing spanish has improved my times in many places in latin america, not just mongering but the whole enchilada. It's not hard, just take a class at a locale jc or find a tutor on Craig's List or some other resource. I've had some pretty cute tutors, too, that helps keep me interested.
Member #3430
09-18-06, 04:21
Last time I was there, I met a cutie in this fashion, she spent the night, and talked my friggin ear off. I think that when she came across a gringo that she could talk to all night, she just let it loose. She told me about some of her regulars, going out to dinner, etc. with "difficult" to no conversation because the gringo didn't speak any spanish.
I can't imagine spending several hours with someone that I couldn't converse with. I really feel that knowing spanish has improved my times in many places in latin america, not just mongering but the whole enchilada. It's not hard, just take a class at a locale jc or find a tutor on Craig's List or some other resource. I've had some pretty cute tutors, too, that helps keep me interested.
This is another thing a lot of guys need to understand. We have been so acustomed to having to "court" someone that going to dinner/a movie/whatever becomes part of the ritual. This is then complicated by the idea that because you have "taken her out", she should charge you less (or even nothing) to screw you.
The fact is, for most of these girls, going to dinner is LOTS more work then just screwing you, which they can do while they are thinking about what they are going to fix their kids for dinner tomorrow. To go out with you means they have to dress up, try to make conversation (remember these are girls you wouldn't really have much to talk about with or say to if you COULD speak spanish), and then have to deal with the idea that this guy thinks they should give him a discount for all this!
Go to dinner with your friends,and save the girls for doing what they do best!
My 2 cents....
David
I'll add a few other points. First, Mojo comments about spending time with the chica at the bar and establishing rapporte AND weeding out all the chicas that seem to be in a rush is a key one. One way I like to do this is to invite them to go with me to KL for a little dancing. I find this is better and cheaper than seeing how many drinks I can buy them. Although, seeing how quickly they down the drinks I do buy is another measure of rushiness, I also don't want them to get too lit up before we go back to the room. If they're in a really big rush to seal the deal and get back to my room, I figure they'll be in an equally big rush to finish up there and get back to the BM to find their next sucker. So spend some time to find a girl that's not in a rush. Some girls are looking for quick and frequent turnover but many others are just looking for one score per evening. It may be for one hour or it might run over but the main thing for them is that they hit their mark for the night.
Some other things came to mind with the last 2 posts. I agree that these girls aren't super intellectuals and that even if you speak good spanish the conversations won't be deep. For that reason, I agree with Capt. and don't normally go on that type of date with the chicas. But I understand why some guys do. Its all part of creating that GFFE atmosphere. I just think if you're going to do that sort of thing there are good and bad ways to go about it.
As far as it being work because she has to think up things to say and dress up, if there are awkward silences due to a lack of common language I suppose that would be work. There are a couple of ways around the language problem. The first is sort of cheating but is to go on a double date with one her amigas and one of your buddies. That way if the conversation lags you each have a fallback. Also one or both of those other people may be able to translate if your spanish falters. The other way is to just learn the damn language. The conversation may not be deep, but you'd be surprised how much you can joke around and keep the conversation going with even limited spanish and a lot of hand gestures. Plus if nothing else it gives you an opportunity to do something worthwhile other than screw. Namely to practice your spanish so you get better.
As for the dress up part, that may be true if you take them to a fancy restuarant but you don't have to take them to someplace that fancy. In fact, I think you shouldn't. I think its a waste to take them to any place really fancy. First of all, they don't normally go to such restaurants because it is well beyond their normal social mileau and as such they usually don't know how to carry themselves in such situations which does make it a tiring challenge for them. Secondly, most of them would rather have the money than the fancy meal, but as long as you're buying some take full advantage of the situation by buying the most expensive thing on the menu for no other reason than to maximize what you spend on them (such as the shrimp cocktail, which I've found usually sucks in CR). IMHO, if they do that its as telling of where that chicas head is at as any interview question you might ask.
So bottom line here is if you have to take them out, take them to an unpretentious tico restaurant or better yet ask them to take you to their favorite local place. The type of place they take you could be very telling (whether they're out to soak you or are just interested in sharing with you a regular part of their lives). This way you might also discover some hidden little gem off the normal tourist trail. Yet another idea, offer to pick up some groceries with them if they'll cook a tico meal for you. First of all, by becoming part of their civilian life it personalizes you more making the relationship more BFE-GFE for both of you. Just going to a grocery store in a foreign country is an enlightening expereince, but with this you help feed their family for about the same or less as it would have cost you to buy her a fancy meal she did not fully appreciate, plus you'd get to meet her family and see how regular ticos live which would also be a worthwhile educational experience. Just ask her how good a cook she is first or you might be better off if her momma cooks instead.
Fellows
THinking of going to San Jose around Thanksgiving. Is that an ok time to go?
Holidays there?
Also, looks like it will be a fun time...
I have RTFF, so i think I am armed.
But a couple of questions...
An recommendations on a Good 4 - 5 star hotel in downtown? Close to action?
walking distance?
Also, I do not know Spanish at all...how bad would it be?
I would like to maybe hook up with a chica who can also be my guide for sight seeing etc..
let me know your thoughts..
Stay at the Presidente or at the Sportsman Lounge, do not stay at the Del rey
Always take a cab at night, even if it is 2 blocks away
Do not get hammered anywhere, you will become a target to crime.
Do not pay $ 100 S/T, more like 50..
remember when can you tell when a Del rey girl is lying???
Answer: When her lips are moving.....
Fellows
THinking of going to San Jose around Thanksgiving. Is that an ok time to go?
Holidays there?
Also, looks like it will be a fun time...
I have RTFF, so i think I am armed.
But a couple of questions...
An recommendations on a Good 4 - 5 star hotel in downtown? Close to action?
walking distance?
Also, I do not know Spanish at all...how bad would it be?
I would like to maybe hook up with a chica who can also be my guide for sight seeing etc..
let me know your thoughts..Chacha,
1) Duh, Thanksgiving is a US holiday. Remember, the Mayflower, pilgrims landing at plymouth rock etc. The only holidays that really effect mongering in CR to any degreee are Christmas and Easter, when many chicas leave SJ to spend more time with their families. During the rest of the year, any time is a good time to go. You'll get better weather during the dry season, but fewer crowds and lower prices during the rainy season. Its your choice.
2) For hotels, did you really RTFF? This has been thoroughly covered. MJG mentioned 2 of the more popular places amongst our crowd.
3) Lots of guys go not knowing any spanish at all and manage to get by. Many chicas know fairly decent english and of those that don't (at least at the BM) most know enough "bar-girl english" for you to work out a deal. That said, knowing even a little spanish will enhance your trip tremendously. Beyond the obvious advantage of being to converse even if only a little deeper with a wider selection of chicas, theres the advantage that showing you're making an effort to meet them part way and practice their culture will have on their attitudes towards you. Make the effort between know and your trip to at least pick up a few more phrases.
4) Hooking up with a chica guide? Be careful. One thing that tempts a lot of newbies is to arrange for an escort before they go. Don't do it. You'll overpay. You won't really know with any certainty what you're getting until its too late. And, even if you do get an accurate preview, you won't know about your real compatibility until its too late. A lot of those problems also carryover to finding a guide after you're there. Take your time deciding. A chica that seems compatible after an hour session back at your room may drive you crazy stuck driving around with her all day. Little issues that are non-issues for a s/t session become important during a multiday date (e.g. will she be calling to check on her kids every 5 minutes). While a female companion is nice on day trips from SJ, they're not really necessary. Traveling outside the central valley, you'd be surprised how little some of the ticas know about their country and forget about the nicas, colombianas, etc. In such situations, more often the chica serves as just a portable sex companion than a real guide.
BTW, has anyone been with GFEShirley recently? She was the former MP girl who bought an SUV and went into the escort cum field guide business a while back. She may be the exception to the above rule about pre-booking. Do a search.
Dodger Bulldog
10-02-06, 22:21
Another terrible holiday in Latin America in general, and Costa Rica in particular: New Years Eve and Day.
In the U.S. it is the biggest party of the year, of course, but in CR it is a time to spend with ones family. Some restaurants and businesses will even close down from December 30th - January 2.
I remember New Year's Eve at the BM, and the ratio was about 20 gringos for every chica. It was really quite depressing.
DB
Stoker Star
10-11-06, 03:03
Had tremendous service from a Nica at Musas, 11,000. No documentation. Short cute face not a spinner.
Also Zona Blue is rocking. Had a double with Cyndi & Lisa. Cyndi was really good , Lisa so-so.
Brenda and Pamela are very special girls.
Picked a couple of college girls from Limon at Blue Marlin. Paid $100 for total noche. Tried one night and one the next. Both lacked experience, but tight.
hello to all,
i am reporting on my first time visit to san jose. i'm not really a regular monger. i have had some experience in boy's town in nuevo laredo and in the u.s.
i went there as part of of a well known introduction agency group. we were staying at sleep inn close to the infamous hotel del ray. i had read all the reports before and i knew more or less what to expect. i had arrived in town on wed. the 4th. i wanted to do a little mongering but only at the mp's but i just had to see what the del ray was all about. i walked the short distance, went in to the blue marlin bar and there were all the obligatory putas mentioned before. very attractive were most and i conversed with a couple of them. i told them after speaking to them for awhile "estoy solo mirando" or "no tengo dinero" and off they go to find some other. i knew how much they would ask for so i didn't ask them. it would be easy to spend mucho dinero with them but that's not what primarily i was here for and besides, i'm too cheap for that...lol.
walked over across the street to key largo. it was 10 o'clock. i liked it better here. quickly i was approached by an attractive brown skinned latina. we danced for awhile to a song that i thought would never end. i sat down and another one jammed herself between my legs. again we talked and again i never brought up the idea of taking off with her. left there after an hour or so and walked over to the new york bar. it was almost empty with no appealing females in sight so i quickly left and went back to my hotel.
thursday the 5th. i walked over to new fantasy. now this is what i wanted to do. an attractive place from the outside, especially compared to most buildings in san jose. the girl at the front counter walked me over to the waiting area for the girls. i knew there would be a mirror to view them but never expected the mirror to be so dark. i could barely see the girls behind it. i chose the one i could see in the doorway. she had braided blonde hair like bo derek in "10". light skinned, mid-twenties i would say, nice face and body. she said it was 18000 colones ( i.e. the equivalent of about $36 u.s. dollars ). she would not take it in su boca, only with a condom. i offered her a propina but she still insisted. i did not do the sauna but showering with her was pleasant, although i had to ask her to come into my shower. she had a sweet personality but was a little to cold for me overall. still a satisfactory first experience.
i didn't do any mongering again until monday night. another guy i met from our group and i took a taxi to what we thought would be europa 2000. i wanted to go to the oasis but it was too late. this was at 7:30 pm. the driver took us to hotel europa. we walked in looking for a bar, something that i could recognize as a lugar de putas. finally asked a couple of employees if they knew where this was and they told to walk up two lights and turn right and go 300 meters (something like that?). it was raining like usual and dark and here's two gringos walking through a part of town that if i wasn't so horny i hope i would have had better sense not to go in. this was ave. 7 and we didn't see the europa but we did find a non-descript little building which turns out to be muses according to my map. they close at 8:00. there were three girls inside. this is a tico place and they charged 7000 colones ( about $14 dollars ). now it wasn't a great experience but for that little it was ok i thought. my partner didn't think so. bj only with condom again. i was suprised, i thought they would do it without here.
my last experience was wed. the 11th. i took and long walk, went past muses and continued down ave. 7 until i thought according to my map was where cha cha cha, the purple building would be. i turned right and found la bella mansion. there was a metal gate to enter so i decided to continue walking. i knew that where i wanted was a block further. i turned left at the next block and there it was, a purple house. i knew this was the place. i walked inside and there were about 8 girls, all dark-skinned ticas. none really appealed to me but i asked one "cuanto cuesta?" she said 10000 mil. uh...i may be a gringo but i know 747 is next door and hopefully cheaper so i said "ciao". so there was the building with the number 747 on it. walked inside and there was just one girl. said said the other two were busy.
she was reasonable looking so i said "tomare usted" and we went to the seediest looking little room so far with a scrungy looking little mattress on the floor. not exactly first-class. hey, it's only 5000 colones por la media hora. this one finally took it in the mouth without condom. what was funny was that after i came she spit it out over the other side of the mattress. i wouldn't want to walk around over there. your feet would stick to the floor.
my overall impressions:
1. all of the taxi drivers are insane. this is not the indy 500 but don't tell them that.
2. speaking of drivers, no one will stop for you under any circumstance when crossing the street. even the bus drivers will speed up if they get the chance to run over you. horns honking constantly...que ruido!
3. i found most everyone friendly but then i'm not a drunk nor an obnoxious american.
4. this is a third world country and accordingly most of the buildings look as though they might collaspe at any moment. that is sad because there is so much potential here. so many tourists use san jose as their starting point to all their tour destinations. i looked for a nice place with soothing latin music and slow romantic dancing and there is none. i went to el pueblo and only young ticos y ticas grinding the night away to the pulsing beats.
5. i found the woman of my dreams here and i will return for her. i want to go the beach and see so much more that i didn't have time for this trip.
pura vida a todos
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Rabo Verde
10-14-06, 14:22
Pamela is a world-class chica.
I say no more.
my 7th trip starts in less than 6 days...i get in town on the 23rd and stay for 7 days ...this trip i will be solo and i enjoy having a wingman while chasing the ticas ...anyone in town during those dates please shoot me a pm and lets make some plans to meet ....chilimike
Dark Star 999
10-18-06, 07:45
I visited twice last year and had a good time at the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. What is the name of the massage parlor on Calle 32 across from the Manchu Pichu Peruvian restaurant and is it still open?
I read the police were cracking down on crime outside the Del Rey/ El Presidente.
Any news on that?
Dark Star 999
The name of the MP is Oasis and it still open.
I read the same about the crackdown althou I was there last month and it look the same as every other time I have visited SJ.
Good luck
coqui
Anyone know about the nasty clap strain that is going around SJO?
Its been mentioned on CRT but the establishment and girls effected have not been identified.
We need to stay away from these girls.
So if anyone has information please post it.
be careful rebad-
some strains of the clap are immune to penecillin.
maybe Vegas Bob on the CRT board infected everyone.
would not dine in CR for a while either.
Superman06
10-22-06, 16:42
Not having much luck in finding a cheap flight to SJO from the Washington D.C. area. Hoping to find a charter if possible. Very flexible on when I travel after Jan. 2007. Any help appreciated.
I cross posted this on the travel advice board but since there is not much action there right now (last post 5-31) I thought I would try here. Thanks in advance.
might be better taking a puddlejumper from Dc to atlanta or miami to offset the cost of flying out of DC. Atlanta is delta's hub, Miami- american's
Not having much luck in finding a cheap flight to SJO from the Washington D.C. area. Hoping to find a charter if possible. Very flexible on when I travel after Jan. 2007. Any help appreciated.
I cross posted this on the travel advice board but since there is not much action there right now (last post 5-31) I thought I would try here. Thanks in advance.
Have you tried TACA out of Dulles (IAD)
Superman06
10-23-06, 12:12
Have you tried TACA out of Dulles (IAD)They have fare for $602.73 tax included. The best part is that it's non-stop. Always a plus in my book. It's also the best price I have found. Not too bad. Thanks for the tip.
Delaware Guy
10-23-06, 18:32
You might want to try US out of BWI. They had a pretty good sale going a few weeks ago - somewhere around $400 or so. I don't know if it's still going on. It isn't direct though. Also, several airlines had good fares out of Philly a couple of weeks ago but I realize that's a bit far removed from DCA.
They have fare for $602.73 tax included. The best part is that it's non-stop. Always a plus in my book. It's also the best price I have found. Not too bad. Thanks for the tip.
I remember when these trips were $400.00 - $500.00
This was last year.
try www.sidestep.com or www.kayak.com, search engines. You may also want to see if it is a little cheaper to fly out of Baltimore .....
Cash Money
10-28-06, 03:43
On the internet all I see are $40 and up hotels. I go to Puerto Plata alot and get nice hotels for $20 or less, like Lamar or Mt. View or whatever all that are friendly. Are there any $20 dollar hotels in San Jose. if so are they friendly?
Rebel Monger
10-28-06, 18:52
On the internet all I see are $40 and up hotels. I go to Puerto Plata alot and get nice hotels for $20 or less, like Lamar or Mt. View or whatever all that are friendly. Are there any $20 dollar hotels in San Jose. if so are they friendly?Try www.hotelnuevojohnson.com/ but like anything else in life, you get what you pay for, I bet that the same thing goes for Puerto Plata.
Spin the Globe
10-28-06, 18:55
Last week I was back In San Jose for the first time in over 2 years.
I have had the luxury of work sending me to some worldwide hotspots in Asia and Europe and also gone on my own to some amazing South American hotspots a few times each, namely Rio and Buenos Aires.
Being back in CR at first I was a little disappointed and regretted making the return. I guess the rainy season had me down a bit. But once you get into the groove of CR you find it really has its own benefits.
No, San Jose itself is not the prettiest city nor does it have much in the way of must-see sites. But, there are plenty of those to be found on trips to the coast/volcanoes/National Parks/forests and all relatively close by.
The mongering scene is also somewhat different than my previous trip. Yes, the whole usual list of places often mentioned in the forum are still going strong.
The main differences I saw were:
Del Ray-BM Bar—yes same as ever in one respect, the girls still quote $100 as a first offer. However, much to my surprise many would now stick on this number. No, I am not talking about the bottom-end skanks that I wouldn’t do for free, nor the mid-tier ones that still as in the past would go MUCH lower, but the 2nd tier girls ( those very cute and very doable, but below the 2-3 real 1st tier girls on any given night) now would stay on their number. In the past—not the case. The 2-3 real hotties now as in the past, still hold-out for the $100 , because they can and do get this amount consistently.
Also, I met and had drinks with numerous mongers that were there for the 1st or 2nd time ever and were in that “this is the greatest place ever” phase”. They all seemed to think that $100 was the “normal” price, so they were paying. No wonder the girls were asking! In that respect the scene seems to have dropped.
Key Largo—much improved over times past. The live music was normally very good. They had a nightly buffet set-up that was C 1700 ($3.50 USD) that included beef, pork or chicken & rice, beans, chips and salad. Always very good and one of the better deals in town.
The bartendistas were mainly very cute and a lot of fun to party with. The working chicas were hit and miss, mainly a subset of the girls from the Del Rey.
ZB—some gems to be found, higher in quality than last trip. The quality of service is outstanding
NF—I would say generally speaking lesser quality of girls than ZB—but for those looking for quick and cheap they do offer a 30 minute $20 deal. In a bind it is a great deal.
I have seen a few mentions of a newer place called the Pirate Club, I did not go- but was told it was nice upscale and $50 hr for the girl and $50/hr per the room, but there are ways to get substantial discounts on the room. I was told there are many pretty girls all dressed-up in the Pirate theme.-For next trip.
In reading some of this forum for the first time in awhile --I see many of the other travelers who have been to other places, all seem to have this snobbish attitude against CR. I for one, who have been to most (repeatedly) of these other oft mentioned places say to them—CR certainly has its own unique charms.
I am in my 30’s and in good shape and had success with the non-bar girls. Went-out with one and will see her again on my return, and also set-up the groundwork with another (both very hot).
The city itself may not be world class like BA or have the natural beauty of Rio, but the PEOPLE of CR, ARE world-class. I can hold my own in Spanish and Portuguese, so I never feel just lost in S. Amer or C Am, but in Asia it is tough outside of the pigeon bar-english the girls speak.
So CR, IMHO with its ease of use for the non-Spanish speaker and its closer/cheaper flights and the beautiful countryside (not to mention the beautiful girls) still has MUCH to offer.
Rico Negro
10-31-06, 07:36
Anyone have problems getting these women to swallow?
Lets say first new mongers should learn to speak spanish. My monger friend that I just hooked up with while we were vacationing helped me negotiate 70 for 2 shots and CIM with a girl from del ray. Well. After 1st shot she says she is done and more shots is more dough. I said no way and I said I will only pay her 50 but then I got hard and wanted 2nd shot and I would pay her another 20. Basically they same damn thing we agreed upon earlier. I tried to bust in her mouth but I guess I was to vocal before coming so she pulled out with a teeny bit in her mouth. The girl was beautiful but she was columbian where I really want to go.
Well, I thought 70 was too much given that I have read Oasis was only like 14000 colones. My friend told me about fantasy and was in my price range. I went there and it was 18000 colones. Not really anything good except I saw a cute and slim body with nice ass 1/2 chinese 1/2 Costa Rica. Her name is Magali and her real name is gabriella. No tits to speak of nor does she kiss, and only does BJ with condom except for like 30 secs. But doing her is nice cuz she is really hot compared to the other girls, but I would rate her a 7. 5. Massage is weak and basically skipped that as I got horny and wanted to get to the real action.
Where the heck is Oasis? Anyone has directions and address or nearby what bldg?
All in all, mongering in Thailand and China is much better than Costa Rica. But it's a beautiful country. Again you need to learn some spanish.
Hacke Beck
11-24-06, 17:21
Who has more information about Pirate Club, location? I ve never heard it. it sounds interesting.
Ive been to the pirate club. It is located on avenida 10, it has a 5500 colones cover charge(this gets you 3 beers or 2 well drinks) but the website says there isnt any. The girls there are pretty good, the rooms are NICE. you get an hour session for $100 ($50 if you are a CRT member). All and all it isnt a bad place for the $50 a session.
Postie2007
11-26-06, 01:48
Hi,, Long time reader, first time poster.
I have been living and working in CR for a year now and as most on here, enjoy mongering.
I feel after a year I have climbed the ranks from amature monger to intermediate monger and do pretty much ok.
I frequent DR more than KL because despite the reports, the KL [IMHO] has lower class of women/DL rejects [AND they feel they deserve DR pricing], the music outright sucks [it's too loud <can't negoitate a price when every other word out of your mouth is "que? ">] and it's that same shitty "wanna-bee island crap that sounds the same no matter what band plays there". But I digress.
As usual, me and my merry band of quasi-mongerers hit KL [they love it, I can't figure out why] I tolerate the mass of fucktards that constantly bump into you and such and drink. I politely make my exit and go to DR. The group soon follows.
We stay there till about 3AM and scout what is what.
There was one girl Natalia I believe her name is. 5'6" Store bought tits, J-lo booty and columbian.
I had had her once before a couple of months ago and she was a so-so experience. [condom blowjob, standard sex, bla bla bla] finishes the job and is out the door. We were about to leave when her and her 2 friends approached us. My buddies really wernt in the mood and since I had been drinking, it was late and such, I thought I would give her a second chance. I had my spanish speaking buddy translate for me and made it clear I pretty much wanted what I wanted for a hour. She retorted with "no anal, everything else ok"
So off we went. We got back here, busted out candles, set the atmosphere and of course she wanted cash up front. I told her no, cause last time she was "rapido, rapido, rapido" she tried her best to say she would "boom boom" long time, but I was diggin the vibe. [that and her cell phone ringing every 3 minutes wasnt helping matters either]
Longer story short, she wasnt havin it. So I as like "ok, not interested, time for you to go. " [I'm betting you know where this went next]
She went thermonuclear! My spanish speakin buddy interviened to try to "switzerland" this situation out but [from what he told me had a mouth like a jersey truck triver]
I won't go into every single detail but some of the things she said had disturbed me, such as: "Either 1 hour or one cum shot, which ever comes first" [no pun intended] Well, I don't know about the rest on here, but I can pop two or three times in an hour period [prety proud of that for my age and all] "gringos know that" and the killer one "well, that's how we treat all gringos" [thinking she would gain sympathy from my spanish speaking friend who really isn't tico] =P
I wound up giving her 10, 000c just to get the hell out.
I wrote this report for a couple of reasons: 1] to give a heads up on this rabit hooker, 2] to ask questions such as: is this common? [having to boot a hooker cause she gave or is going to give bad service? ] Is it just the columbian girls who pull this? Or the majority or did I just get a bad apple?
Am I gonna get a "black mark" from the "CR Hookers guild"?
Guess I'm just looking for some wisdom from the more experienced mongers who also live here or travel here frequently.
Thanks in advance,
P
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Postie2007
11-26-06, 02:00
Answering your question:
Have only got one here to ever swallow.
She was such an annoying pain in the ass, I had to do with out rather that deal with her.
I have a a few who do CIM, but then they act like they just got a mouth full of battery acid and go into a frenzy trying to spit it out.
Personally it is a turn-off when they become "Cum-Phobes".
It's like "it's your job. Do your job. Swallow this!
If you don't like swallowing New England Man Chowder, take a job at Hyper Mas, Auto Mercado or Fusion at the mall! You are in the wrong line of work.
Sorry I sound bitter, but lately the DR/Kl/Pick a friggin ho-house has been way to "Prima-Donna" for my tastes [and what they want to charge for it]
Members: Please comment or advise if I'm right, wrong or need to go to Clinica Biblica for a mental health check-up. =P
P
I think chicas are all over the map on this from CBJ's to BBBJ's w/final jack-off or FS to BBBJTCIM w/spit and more than one I've had w/swallow. Personally, after I'm "done with it", I don't really care what the chica does. Sure its nice if they don't act like its the most disgusting thing they've ever tasted but a discrete spit into a towel while they're wiping their face works nearly as well as actually letting it go down the gullet. I do know that if I ever go down on a woman myself I also spit and wipe as discretely as possible when I'm done. So why wouldn't she? Frankly, I don't normally just expect the chica to swallow, though its a nice bonus I've seen many times in CR. I'm guessing either your selection methods need some work or your supposed cum production isn't matched by quality. BTW, one thing one can do to improve the taste of one's cum is to eat lots of pineapple. Let me be clear that I'm basing this on my extensive reading and research on the web and not personal experience or "taste-tests" of my own.
Another point is that the KL which you are so quick to condemn does have its good points too, which you have seemed to overlook. To be fair, I can definitely understand some of your complaints. Let's look at them.
I agree, the bands they have there aren't gonna win any latin grammy awards. This isn't LA or NY. If you want to hear even the top bands in SJ, I can recommend other places, but they'll either have a cover, have higher drink prices or else be located much further away from ground zero. What do you really expect for free live entertainment?
I also agree that the sound system is not concert hall quality nor conducive to deep conversation IF you're in the main room with the dance floor. Big deal. You show me any dance venue that isn't so loud that it doesn't mean some sort of tradeoff with your ability to hear every word. There are plenty of quieter areas in other rooms at the KL where conversation is not a problem at all if that is what you're after. The pool room is a good example and also presents you with yet another fun activity you can do with the girls while you decide whether they pass the personality test before inviting them back to your room. Frankly, regarding this whole conversation thing, I think many guys, particularly those who are weaker in spanish are just as happy to have a place to go to interact with the chica candidates without having to hold up an extended conversation. Most "conversations" in the BM don't go much beyond the hackneyed "whats you name, where you stay, how long in CR" banter which make up just about the limits of many chicas conversational ability. One certainly isn't going to start a conversation about world events with any of these girls.
What about the looks quality of the chicas? Again, I have to kinda agree with your statement that the KL-based chicas are in general not up to the same standard of looks as the BM-based chicas. I have to disagree, however, that they hold to the same pricing standards as the BM girls. Sure they may start at $100 just like their sisters across the street but they're much much quicker to come down to a realistic price. Finally, on this subject, there isn't that clear a line between the "KL chicas" and the "BM chicas" as you make out. Sure there are some chicas that only work the KL and many chicas that only work the BM and would never step in there, but there are also MANY chicas that are willing to work both sides of the street and frankly if you sought after those you might meet with much better success with the BM chicas than you seem to be having.
Finally, as to the difference in basic atmospheres. It seems there are just as many "drunken fucktards" that will bump into you at the BM as there are at the KL. That's called being in a crowded bar. Of course, the KL is not the premier dance club in SJ. Instead of denigrating the KL as something totally worthless, why don't you recognize it for what it is - an somewhat imperfect compromise solution, where you can easily just pop over from the BM (and just as importantly and easily pop back) and interact with your potential chica of the evening in a setting that allows you to do something other than just buy her drinks while she tries to convince you to rush back to your hotel room (and as significantly probably rush back to the BM before you're done).
Bottom line: I think you need how to appreciate and how to use the KL as a tool for weeding those BM chicas like the one you described in your post because I bet if you had invited her to go over to the KL for a little dancing before you rushed back with her to your room you'd have discovered beforehand what a rush she was really in and would have saved yourself being put into the position you did.
Some other miscellaneous points: I don't think you need to go to the Clinica Biblica for a mental health check-up, but I do think you are wrong on some other points. Not all chicas swallow (would you if you were them?). It doesn't automatically come with the job. If that is so important to you than I suggest you add it to your prequalifying list.
The 2nd miscellaneous point is more of a question. If this Natalia was such a mediocre so-so experience from before (with CBJ, rapido rapido etc.) what made you think after hanging out with BM primadonnas you're complaining so much about that she'd have changed for the better? So why did you go with her again? If she expected you to pay up front and you'd been with her before, I'm guessing that had come up the first time. Did you pay first then and if she was a known clockwatcher why didn't you clarify that point ahead of time? Related to this is the fact that she's a Colombiana (BTW, it doesn't seem anyone around here can spell that correctly lately). Guys that do know how to spell it correctly typically know how nuch trouble they can be. Sure thay can be some of the hottest looking women in there but also often the most ruthless and mercenary. Either avoid them altogether or, if you must still have them understand the risks, take extra care in all the other facets of prequalifying and even then be prepared to possibly get burned
ThunderPants
11-27-06, 16:00
It appears to me there is a stedy stream of chicas travelig back and forth between DR and KL. I see chicas that offer their services at New York Bar, Key Largo, Del Ray and some tha make their way from Sportsmen to Key Largo and in the past girls from the Monkey Bar. At any given night you can see the saw chica at several venues
Supertigre
11-28-06, 04:13
"Guess I'm just looking for some wisdom from the more experienced mongers who also live here or travel here frequently."
"Thanks in advance,"
OK, I don't know if I am qualified to reply as I have only been to CR one time, but I did stay at the Del Rey and have an excellent time with several girls I met there.
1. You went with a girl with whom you had already had an unsatisfactory experience. Why? The key to a good sexual experience in pay-for-play is that you have a good rapport with your partner. Sex is a two-way activity if ever there was one, and the likelihood of hitting it off after an earlier failure is minimal.
2. You say that you had been drinking. Girls tend to be more averse to male sexual partners who are under the influence of alcohol. Smoking can also be a negative factor.
3. You say that you have been living in the CR for a year, but you say that you are having to use a Spanish-speaking friend to interpret. Is there some reason why you have not yet learned enough Spanish to hold a conversation? My guess is that you are not very interested in getting to know Spanish-speaking people.
4. You appear to not be aware that most girls do not enjoy swallowing semen (nor do they generally enjoy or prefer anal sex). I am sure that you feel that you are justified in complaining because you are hiring a girl at a good price to fulfil your needs and that she should do what you want if she wants to get paid. You have a point, but you are ignoring the human side. Unfortunately for you even prostitutes are people and while they do work in a human service field, they are not licensed professionals. There is no agreed code of conduct that includes swallowing or a minimum number of orgasms.
Clearly in this case the girl wanted to be paid, but wanted to spend as little time as possible with you. I do not know the exact reason for this, but you might want to look at your reasons for refusing to learn Spanish which suggests to me that you have an underlying hostility to Spanish speakers.
Your comment that you are stepping up from being an "amature" monger to "intermediate" is meaningless and shows a lack of understanding .
The word you are thinking of is "amateur" which means someone who does something for the love of it--yes it comes from the same root as the Spanish word 'amor' (love)--as opposed to a professional who does it for money.
You probably don't need to see a psychiatrist, but you might want to do a bit of introspection.
ST,
Excellent post. Sounds like despite having been there only once you're well on your way to climbing the ranks from amateur to expert (whatever those terms mean) as you seem to "get it". Your post covered a lot of the same points that I was also thinking but left out. Some others can spend a lifetime in CR and may never "get it".
TP,
You probably didn't make it through all my verbage, but I also commented on the fact that a LOT of the chicas go back and forth and so to talk about any hard and fast distinction between the "BM chicas" and "KL chicas" is absurd, except perhaps that the BM chicas that are willing to cross the street are more often the types that are willing to let their hair down and have fun with a guy rather than just be all about business.
Postie,
Take heart. Consider what these guys have to say and you might find room for improvement in the results you acheive. I don't know about "reports of distinction" but your post is worthy of some merit for warning us about a chica we should all try to avoid and we thank you for that.
Postie2007
12-01-06, 06:21
I am glad to get some feed back on this.
I wanted to elaborate on a few things posted.
SuperTigre:
"Is there some reason why you have not yet learned enough Spanish to hold a conversation? My guess is that you are not very interested in getting to know Spanish-speaking people. "
Yes. The company I work for is english speaking [my boss is adament on it, I haven't a clue why]. My roommates are english speaking. I was [and am] very interested in becomming fluent in spanish. The reason I have not is clearly my own fault for not making the time/cracking down on getting it done
"There is no agreed code of conduct that includes swallowing or a minimum number of orgasms"
I'll agree on the first half [I was venting from the incident last Friday], but on the second. If she charges X amount of colones for a hour, then it's an hour, if she is gonna charge "by the pop" she should state that up front.
"but you might want to look at your reasons for refusing to learn Spanish which suggests to me that you have an underlying hostility to Spanish speakers. "
Not at all. I sooooooooooooo wish I had a better aptitude/dicipline to learn spanish. I keep trying with my PC. Perhaps taking classes may be the next step
"You probably don't need to see a psychiatrist, but you might want to do a bit of introspection. " as for anything in life.
I personally plan on staying here as long as I can [I got a drivers licence, Car, bank account, PriceSmart card, etc. Looking into some type of residency status] short of my job ending and I can't earn a living here, they plain outright boot me out or Bill Gates dangles a dump truck full of money in front of me. =P
Prolijo: "If you want to hear even the top bands in SJ, I can recommend other places, but they'll either have a cover, have higher drink prices or else be located much further away from ground zero. What do you really expect for free live entertainment? "
I don't want to hear any band. I know that's the "atomsphere" of the place, but I'm willing to bet that if there would be no band at all, business would not diminish at all. [IMHO]
"there isn't that clear a line between the "KL chicas" and the "BM chicas" as you make out. " [were you in there last Friday? It was an ug-fest. But in your defense, the cattle were grazing over to the DR as well. ]
"I think you need how to appreciate and how to use the KL as a tool for weeding those BM chicas like the one you described in your post because I bet if you had invited her to go over to the KL for a little dancing before you rushed back with her to your room you'd have discovered beforehand what a rush she was really in and would have saved yourself being put into the position you did. "
And that's why I asked for you guys opinion, good or bad. You may have a good point there. For some reason I doubt that specific girl would have behaved any different, however I did see a girl I was also dissapointed [not as bad as Natalia, but still lost in translation I guess <thinking of SuperTigre's thoughts from earlier>]with as well from quite a few weeks ago back dancing there. Good point in that area.
"If this Natalia was such a mediocre so-so experience from before (with CBJ, rapido rapido etc.) what made you think after hanging out with BM primadonnas you're complaining so much about that she'd have changed for the better? "
Oh boy. The answer is "None what-so-ever! " this was a total result of drinking and not thinking. "liquid optimism! "
So, to re-cap what I have learned: Be less critical and less vocal about the KL. It is what it is. Just wish it could be a bit better. LEARN SPANISH! Less problems when I have a better command of the language.
Thanks for the knowledge, it is appreciated. Also apologies for my first postings as negative, the whole "Natalia" incident just had me. [lacking the proper wording]. And I felt here would be a good place to discuss it. [obviously can't go "hey mom, had some trouble with a psychotic hooker, you didn't cover that in the "birds and bee's" convo so many years ago, can we go over it? ] =P I have really had some good [fantastic and even some funny] experiences with some of the DR/KL/Other establishment women here and will share them soon.
Thanks again for the input,
P
I'll be going there in a couple weeks, for the first time, and stay for about 5 days. From reading the forums I get the idea of where to go for mongering, and what hotels to get, I'm still not sure which hotel to stay in yet. I'll probbaly stay a few days in one, and a couple in another.
Anyways, what are some things a newbie to the area should go do or see during the day? What about restaurants? Also what should be avoided?
Will anybody else be there?
Rule Number 1. Don't go down to Costa Rica during election time if you can help it. Not a alcoholic beverage to be had. As I experienced this weekend. Most drinking establishments were closed. Including Key Largo until Monday at midnight. Thus somewhat of a skeleton crew at the Del Rey, but as always there were gems to be found.
It was funny to see all these grown azz men sitting in the Del Rey with a bottle of Sprite. Hahahaha. It's a good thing that most of the woman are attractive there any way because the "beer goggles" were not in effect for the weekend.
The alcoholic option was, if you were staying at the DR, you could get the key to the mini-bar of your room and bring the beer down to lobby or it was even suggested that a few of the cab drivers out front the DR had beers they were selling from there taxi.
I opted for the Sprite from the bar!
As I have read in other post, I agree the girls, particularly DR girls, have gotten a little out of hand. Or maybe this whole international mongering thing has just gone haywire any more all woman think they have to do is show up with bigger boobs an ass implant and it's a guaranteed $100 for an hour or at least until she trys to get you to cum in a nano second.
Anymore they appear to be bringing less and less personality to the table and more desperation. The competition is fierce in the DR and it is not manifesting itself into better service just more lies and desperation by the woman.
I see it has become more of a "cash on the barrel" situation and less and less GFE which I know for some is fine, but hell, you have to do something with your time to make it a memorable experience other then the quick "Cum & Go" that the woman will try to induce if your not careful or savvy. These days you have to turn up the "pretender" radar higher as more and more woman are showing up High on the "FRAUD-O-METER".
There was a time when a few drinks developed good rapport, you'd pinch each other on the ass as you laugh and giggle all the way to at the very least a good episode or a TLN.
In the last 6 months. I have visted the Del Rey and its subsidiaries on 4 separate occasions and IMHO. It is really becoming a turn off, but lets not get crazy. Not so much that I will never go back. Hahahaha.
My point is. The asking prices are high. Which is not a problem. You just lower them and most all will come down. And those that don't I hope they bought enough for cab fare home. When you do get those stunners who realize that something is better then nothing. They are not happy about it so there service level is reflective of that in some cases. In other cases. It wouldn't matter whether you gave the girl $200 or $5 her first words once in the sack would be. FINISH! FINISH! LECHE! LECHE!
My experience recently, especially with no alcohol to be had was that the girls wanted less small talk and listening to choppy spanglish and more lets just fvck.
The woman are more up front and to the point. What is most annoying to me is that they are advertising and negotiating services they have no intent on producing. To the point I got a refund after service. LOL (Long story, but its true! ). I just got tired of the bullshit!
These woman are not taking the first, second or third NO for an answer. You almost have to tell them you have no dyck for them to leave you alone, but that would only be after they would try to sell you the infamous "I give good massage and blow yob". I'm like baby, I have no dyck! Remember. NO IMPORTA! LOL.
When I tried the nice respectful NO THANKS or POSSIBLY MAS TARDE. They still couldn't be shaken. One went on to tell me how she had no money to eat the next day if we didn't have a session, another told me how she needed it because she was a student at the university and so on and so on.
While this is monger thing is very subjective and its almost always a YMMV kind of deal, I find it being more work to find that pleasurable experience then it used to. Again, just one mans observation.
Supertigre
12-06-06, 20:23
this is part of an unpublished article based on notes i made on my one and ony trip to costa rica, where i stayed at the del rey hotel for two nights. this was not originally written for a mongering board, but may be of interest anyway.
my prostitution faq is tacked on the end.
first a bit about myself, which i think is necessary to help you get some idea of where i am coming from, and to make adjustments for how my perceptions and values differ from yours.
i am fifty-four years old, single (a widower). i am not wealthy, but i have a decent job, no mortgage or car payment, and no dependents.
my looks are a bit above average, but not exceptional, i wear glasses, have close cropped gray hair, my weight for my height (197 lbs, 6 ft 1 in) is roughly appropriate and i am generally clean-cut, tidily dressed, well-groomed, and don't smoke, drink, or take any kind of drugs, not even aspirin, though i may take an occasional sip of beer or piña colada from my novia's glass. my blood pressure is quite normal and my pulse runs in the mid sixties. i don't exercise a lot, except for doing building maintenance work, carpentry, painting, etc. , but i am blessed with excellent health, both mental and physical.
i also like playing no-limit texas hold'em poker for tiny stakes. i only mention this because in what follows i may use some metaphors from poker, which even if you don't play the game, should help to clarify my observations on sex tourism.
possibly to my great shame i have become a bit of an expert at mongering with latinas in the dominican republic and had sex with fifty or so senoritas, most of whom were freelancers, or friends of my novia who were offered to me as a reward for good behavior, or more likely to put some money in the girl's pocket. i also have friends who own prostitution-related clubs and bars, so have been able to see a bit of what goes on behind the scenes and to understand something of how the "chicas" (spanish "lassies") think. being somewhat competent in speaking spanish and endowed with natural curiosity about those i am about to have sex with, i always interview my chicas thoroughly, asking and them a lot of nonstandard questions about their life history, length of service, and feelings about prostitution.
if you don't speak any spanish and you heard me speaking spanish, you might think that i was fluent, but in fact i am not, and operate with a very restricted lexicon, though my spanish is perfectly adequate for communicating with prostitutes, taxi drivers and restaurant employees. i can also converse perfectly well in spanish on the phone and be understood, even if my grammar and choice of tenses is sometimes erratic.
a solo trip to costa rica
i decided to take my recent trip to costa rica, because although i was quite happy with my sex life, i specifically wanted to enjoy something that my relationship with my dominican novia made impossible, which was being able to go into a bar or disco full of gorgeous women and take out whichever one i fancied and have sex with her. and i wanted to be able to do this over and over till i didn't want any more. i also wanted to get two girls who had not previously been lovers to have lesbian sex with each other while i watched, and then with me. call me a kinky pervert if you will, but this is what i wanted. i suppose i could see the same thing by renting a porno, but watching pornography is not, thank goodness, on my list of personal vices-nor even television, for that matter.
why sex, though? well, i don't know if i can fully explain, but some folks like football, golf, hunting, drinking, smoking, cocaine. i don't care much for any of these, but i love sex with beautful women. recently a jacksonville newspaper columnist announced that the college football draft was better than sex. i take the opposite view. given a choice between sex with a beautiful woman and the college football draft, call me stupid if you will, and i know many people will find this a marginal call, but i will always opt for making love.
i know that many people will object to my recreational sex on religious grounds. all i can say to them is that they should thank their stars that they are on a higher spiritual plane than i, but that if they read on they may discover that i am gradually moving towards their position.
on internet bulletin boards i had read about the blue marlin bar at the hotel del rey (king's hotel) in san jose, costa rica, and it seemed to me from what i had read, that this was exactly whither i needed to go. the fare was not too expensive from miami, and because it was not far away, i could go for a couple of days midweek. prostitution is completely legal in costa rica, provided that the partner is of legal age, which is eighteen. the hotel del rey is the epicenter of the prostitution scene in san jose, and large numbers of local girls gather here especially at night, though there are plenty there all day, hoping to meet a male gringo (non hispanic tourist).
some people equate sex tourism with ****philia and child molesting, so let me make this clear. i, and nearly all fellow *****mongers, hate and despise ****s, because their perverted activities often lead to us legal mongers being tarred with the same brush in uninformed opinion. the wikipedia article on costa rica states that recently tourist have been arrested for trying to pick up **** girls at the hotel del rey, but at the time i was there girls had to show their photo id (cedula) to enter the building and had to deposit it with security prior to visiting a guest room. perhaps the procedures were different before.
san jose, costa rica
san jose is not as ugly a city as one might expect. it is a rather typical litter-strewn spanish-style city, with broken sidewalks and drains, the odd mentally i'll-person lying on the sidewalk, and a distinct lack of street signs to help you know where you are. on the other hand, there are some pleasant parks and the old historical district and national museum are interesting. typical of latin america was a huge piece of statuary i noted in a park near the del rey bombastically commemorating some nineteenth century battles with figures of naked-breasted silicon-enhanced chicas wielding spears and battle axes. this apparently relates to the wars of 1856 when a bunch of early us tourists tried to bring about regime change in central america and ran into a lot of local resistance. presumably the busty female warriors symbolize the motherland.
food is good, plentiful, and cheap. although the airport is infested with american fast food franchises with their mission to make the whole world put horrible food in its mouth and pay through the nose, most of san jose is mercifully free of this kind of pollution.
the hotel del rey is a pretty decent place, with décor in the spanish colonial style and carved wooden panels on the outside of each of the guest rooms. the plumbing works, though the water pressure is a bit low. (now why can't central america have american plumbing, which it needs, instead of fast food franchises, which it does not? ) the whole of the planta baja (ground floor) is devoted to the lobby, blue marlin bar, restaurant, and a small casino and you can find chicas anywhere on this level, or rather they will find you. in fact the whole hotel is just a giant brothel.
if chicas wish to go to a higher floor their id must be deposited and a $10 fee charged to a guestroom. i was quite impressed with the unobtrusive, but efficient way that this is run.
as soon as i arrived, before i had even got checked into my room, i was approached by a lady who told me she was 39 years old, but was probably older, but of reasonable attractiveness all the same. as she was my first tica (female costa rican) and i actually do quite enjoy a more mature woman from time to time, i agree to hire her on for us$50. after i had showered, i took her up to my room. i explained to her, not entirely truthfully, that i had lost my wife (true) and that i had not had sex with a woman for two years (two weeks would have been closer) and that i needed someone who would make love to me with passion to make up for lost time. she did a great job, proved to be rather orgasmic, and i had no complaints. $50 well spent.
a visit to a massage parlor
i now explored the city on foot for a while and ended up a couple of hours later at a highly-regarded massage parlor called zona blue where i picked out a cute, lively girl with grey eyes called diana and had a nice shower with her with a lot more hot water than i had at the del rey, and then she gave me a fantastic massage. i have some back pains sometimes, which the time in the plane had not helped, and she really hit the spot, so forcefully that in the end i had to cry for mercy and get her to stop. she then performed oral sex on me with a condom with great enthusiasm and we had sex. she was extremely noisy and responsive, so much so that it seemed like she was auditioning for a role in a porno movie, which makes me suspect that she may have been acting the part. whatever, this was still an extremely enjoyable and memorable time that i would repeat, and diana was very affectionate and a lot of fun.
chica hunting at the hotel del rey
back at the del rey i caught up on my sleep and went back downstairs again at 11: 00 p. m to see what i could get for a nightcap. at this point i had some difficulty. there were maybe fifty or sixty girls there vying for my attention, and if i was super horny and looking to get laid, there would have been no problem at all, but at this point i was only looking for one who would really float my boat. we all have different notions as to what a perfect ten might be. for me, tens have to be both tall and dark (morena or negrita) which means probably having a large number of african genes, as well as pretty, intelligent and affectionate.
this is where the gap concept comes into play. in poker the gap concept states that if someone else enters the pot before you, then you need a hand as strong, or better than the hand that the prior entrant needed from his position at the table for you to enter. since my novia, who equates to my "sexual home" is more attractive to me than 95% of the available prostitutes, then i have to look more for variety than for quality, otherwise i would not get laid at all. why come on this trip at all, then, you might ask? i guess the answer to that is that i get quite a kick out of browsing a place like the blue marlin, knowing that i can take any chica from there, and testing out my ability to pick a good one. what i look for is not so much just looks, but a girl who i think will have an orgasm with me, because i find with increasing age that it is harder to complete the sex act, but that when a woman comes, i nearly always climax fairly easily very soon afterwards. that is all. therefore it does not necessarily pay me to look only for the best lookers. nearly all the girls in the del rey are fair-skinned and few of them are tall. i don't remember seeing any who were 5"9' or more. to be more even more precise, my prerequisites call for them to be tall, dark, young, and childless, which is a tall order indeed. i had found one girl called ariana who was of average stature, but had all the other qualifications plus a delightful and unusual personality, but this was earlier just after my return from zona blue, and i was still in a state of detumescence and she was planning to go home soon anyway. however, i was very interested in her, i had made a note of her cell phone number with a view to mañana.
if the blue marlin girls have a characteristic look, it is the chica who is fair-skinned with long black straight hair, nearly always worn down, this "witch-like" look doesn't appeal to me. the girls whom i suspect the average guy might like best are more golden skinned, with lighter hair, and slim-as-a-whip bodies. from what i saw these girls seemed like popular picks. the type who appeal least to me, and i suspect to others, are those who are both short and dumpy. this type is plentiful.
after several circuits of the floor, i did spot a possible target who had the type of face i like, and a very cute rear end to boot (i am not much of a breast man) and on approach i wasn't particularly surprised to find that she was a dominicana from san cristobal, called carolina. we chatted for a while and found that we had mutual acquaintances. interestingly, and i will return to this, she asked me if i had children, and when i replied in the negative, she immediately asked who was the heir to my estate. i truthfully told her that it was my dominican novia, which extracted a wistful smile.
eventually i popped the question and carolina said "cien" and i said "cincuenta", so we split the difference. we went up to my room on the 5th floor and had a nice relaxed session. she took a while to warm up, but then things got pretty hot. i didn't think that she orgasmed, but a bit later she mentioned that she did, so what do i know? i am inclined to believe her, because she used the verb "lograr", which means to achieve, or pull something off, as if this was something of note. after the sex she was quite chatty and wanted to hang around and watch tv with me, but i was tired and wanted to sleep, so i ended up untangling myself and falling instead into the arms of morpheus.
in the a. m. i was up at 6: 30 and had breakfast in the del rey. later i walked to the national museum, around the corner from the del rey and worthy of a visit. admission is $4 for gringos, less for locals. one thing i learned there is that the shortage of dark girls stems from historical reasons, and that the few that you do find are probably the descendants of immigrant banana-plantation workers. (see, visiting museums is relevant to your sex life.)
then around 3: 00 p. m. the chica i mentioned (ariana) came over around 3 p. m. i had thought she wasn't going to show up, but she had been caught in the rain and eventually arrived with her clothes all soaking wet and shivering with cold. this was remedied by the standard treatment for hypothermia of getting into bed and cuddling up with a warm body
and she was absolutely marvelous. this girl is just a bundle of energy and as flexible as an olympic gymnast and she was coming at me from every angle for over an hour. in my lifetime i have had sex with well over 100 women, but ariana was an instant inductee into the hall of sexual fame, because she had that rare talent of making you feel loved. perfect slim hard, brown, smooth-skinned body, wonderful attitude, warm, passionate, and no rushing at all. in fact she hung around kissing and smooching long enough to prep me for a second shot on goal, and then dined with me afterwards at the del rey restaurant.
my wait during the time she was being rained on at the bus stop was not entirely wasted, for i met a pair of dominicanas from santiago who were most eager to put on a private lesbian show for me prior to me having sex with the two of them, but that was subsequently pre-empted, because over dinner, ariana and i discussed--as one discusses these things over dinner--ariana coming back next morning with a beautiful, inexperienced girl to be initiated into lesbian sex before my eyes.
. well, dear reader, i fell asleep and awoke at 10: 30 p. m with the phone ringing and ariana telling me that she was having trouble finding a lesbian partner for tomorrow. there was one colombian girl who ariana fancied doing, but she wanted $180! i said that was ridiculous and if it was not to be, then it was not to be. anyhow this talk of lesbian shows got me a bit excited again, so i went downstairs and found christina, a 26-year-old dominicana from puerto plata who wasn't exactly a perfect ten, but was tall and dark, with bewitching eyes and a lovely smile. she was extremely laid back and provided another great experience. this trip was incredibly lucky as i seem to have totally dodged any nonperformers who might have been lying in wait for me.
one of the things that people who don't know anything about prostitution, but think they do, is that they don't understand how much repeatedly sharing this elemental human experience (sex) with others leads to much better personal relations skills. with christina, even though we had only met minutes before, it all seemed like we were old lovers who were lounging around at home, feeling horny, and decided to have sex while watching tv. there was no hassle, no bullshit, and when it was over we just stay there watching tv for quite a while before she moved on. having praised ariana to the skies, i can hardly now say that christina was better, but in some ways she was, because while ariana was all action like a hyperkinetic porn star, with christina it all seemed completely natural. one of the reasons i like tall women is that with me being also tall, we seem to fit together better and just get into a lazy slow rhythym like riding the waves on an ocean-going yacht that gradually builds into a mostgrous two-way climax, and that was the way it was with christina-nothing fancy, just perfection. needless to say, i slept well.
and yet christina told me that she had only been doing this (prostitution) for four months, having never worked "en la calle" (on the street) at home in the dr, and had been very nervous with clients for her first month. she was still a little shy, but seemed totally relaxed and comfortable with what she was doing. i gave her $70. she would not suck my penis without a condom, explaining that she "had to think of her children". there really is no possible response to this line of argument except to say "yes, i understand". the notion of responsible motherhood is very strong in catholic environs and to even imply that a girl is a bad mother is a terrible insult. also, it is perfectly true that most of the girls are the sole supports for their families and that if they became sick their children would in fact be destitute. so even if we think that the danger of hiv transmission through non-ejaculatory oral sex is rather minimal just don't go there. it is not worth it. no vale la pena! christina did not strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you know what? she amazed me when she said she thought i must have a dominican novia, because i knew so many "bad" words in spanish, meaning words related to sex. she was also sweet enough to tell me that i must have been quite good looking when i was younger.
threesomes: avoiding the pitfalls
next morning ariana did come through for me and showed right on time with a charming, sweet, young white girl of some twenty-one summers called raisa. raisa had never had sex before with ariana, nor indeed with any gringo, so today was a double first for her, though she admitted to prior sex with a chica. she had a couple of studs inserted into her lower back the day before for decorative purposes, so was still a little sensitive, but most sweet and accomodating all the same. she also had a stud in her tongue, which was a first for me.
"sweet" was the adjective i would use to describe the whole adventure of this threesome in which the girls sweetly made love to each other first, and then i joined in and we all did everything to each other, taking it in turns to be the one person with two others pleasuring them, with lots of giggles, stroking, and soft kisses. i had sex with raisa first, and then switched to ariana for a grand and very passionate finale with a little assistance from raisa's strategically placed fingers.
now this experience did not exactly come cheap, though considerably less than one hour with an average "escort" advertised on the internet in florida would have been. but look at what i got. two gorgeous young women, one of whom had never been with a gringo before, a lesbian show, all the kisses i could handle, and full sex with two girls. given the gap concept and the impossibility of duplicating this experience at home, it was money well spent, i say. i should just add for those who are not au fait with prostitution etiquette, that condom change between partners is de rigeur in these situations, and that a full shower, or at least a thorough soaping of the relevant parts is also the norm.
i had a little bit of prior experience of threesomes before, but this was without any doubt the best. my first threesome had ended up with the two girls arguing and fighting (apparently this often happens when the man appears to favor one over the other). my second threesome took place at my friend's nightclub when he gifted me the session at his own expense, but in truth it had been perfunctory, and there had not been much chemistry there. a more notable one a few months ago was actually a foursome where two girls made lesbian love for my novia and i, then we took one girl each for further one-on-one action. it might appear that my novia is not the jealous type, but wait! she asked me which girl i wanted and then took the one i indicated for herself, leaving the other for me. fortunately i had anticipated this move on her part and nominated the least desirable one, thus getting the one i wanted the most assigned to me. apparently my novia's choice didn't do such a great job, because as soon as the two other girls had left, my novia grabbed me by the ears and forced me to use my knowledge of linguistics to finish what had been started by her chosen chica.
i think the reason why this trey at the hotel del rey was so good was that i had laid down the guidelines for exactly what i expected each girl to do, and what i was going to do to whom, and in what order before anything happened. so both of them know i was going to start with raisa, because she was new to me, and finish with ariana, because she was special to me. the other factor was that there is a considerable potential when you have a threesome with two women who know each other, and who speak a different language from yourself, that they will be communicating with each other in ways you don't fully understand, and they may actually exclude you. in this case there was none of that. we were all three absolutely equal partners in the pleasurable enterprise, and both girls were both absolutely concerned that i should be included in any conversation. this made for a wonderful experience,
falling in love with a prostitute.
i feel very ambivalent about this trip. i had intended this to be a "farewell to two years of mongering" trip, as i am seriously thinking of making an honest woman out of my novia before the end of this year. (i need the tax break.) yet here i am at age almost 55 having wonderful, wonderful sex with an array of gorgeous young women with smooth silky skin, beguiling eyes, and tight little pussies. the sex has never been better or more enjoyable. i am still able to have sex without chemical enhancement, though on trips like this a single pill of generic tadalafil provides a certain amount of penile reinforcement that makes the whole thing easier, especially when you are combatting the dulling effects of condoms, the area in which "home sex" has the greatest advantage, as condom-free sex is hugely preferable.
when i read on the internet at the del rey that well-known movie actor kevin costner, who is a tad younger than i, is in trouble for exposing himself and masturbating in front of a masseuse at a top-class scottish hotel, then i have to think that he would be much happier if his fame and recognition factor didn't make it impossible for him to spend a couple of days at the hotel del rey. so if my sex life is in better shape than that of a famous actor, then i have much to be thankful for.
on the other hand, by the end of this trip i was ready to go home. i had fallen a little in love with ariana, especially as she clung to me in hotel lobby as i waited for my taxi to the airport, planting little kisses on my neck, and extracting a (probably worthless) promise that i would call her. the trouble is that phone calls would only lead to further visits, and when she falls on hard times there will be requests for money that will be hard for me to refuse. ariana is only twenty-two, immature for her age, and has already had two husbands, who shes says were "malos" and beat her because they were jealous. i am almost fifty-five, so the age gap is ridiculous. she also says that many gringos who hire her are "malos" because they are drunks or are cocainistas.
like former senator and viagra spokesperson bob dole, she likes to refer to herself in the third person, which is a little odd, and points to probable emotional complications. unlike bob dole, she is unlikely to get a lucrative contract from pfizer as she is directly in competition with their product which enables men to have sex with woman to whom they are not attracted (like their wives).
her current ambition is a modest one: to find someone who will take her on vacation to san andres island in colombia so that she can be a "tourista", but i think that long term she is angling at a shot at getting to the us.
and that probably is the end-game for all of these girls. it was no fluke that one of the dominicana's asked me whom my estate was willed. getting money for sex is the short term objective to ensure day-to-day survival, but what they really want is a future, someone who will love them and keep them safe, in other words, a ring on their finger. the prostitutes who make the best sexual partners are the ones who are most emotionally needy and therefore potentially the most dangerous. for me to continue talk to ariana is to potentially harm my novia and her family, and the whole situation is absolutely no different from the eternal wife and other woman triangle that had probably existed since we all lived in caves. so i don't think i can go back to costa rica, because to go and not see ariana would be like going to a college reunion and avoiding all your friends, yet to see her would be to engage in an ongoing relationship that will veer out of control.
most single men, lured by cheap and easy sex, who take up residence is countries like the dominican republic and costa rica seem to end up cohabiting with or marrying girls they originally paid for sex. these marriages and relationships are absolutely real, and not for play. the participants have sex, certainly, but they also care for each other in sickness and in health, provide safe homes for children, and fulfill family responsibilities in caring for elders and less fortunate relatives. in other words, they are just like ordinary families.
traveling home by plane, i could hardly fail to notice that the american airlines flight magazine contained no less than three full- or double-page ads placed by matchmaking services whose pitch goes something like this. "you are a successful man, and you deserve a great wife, but you probably don't have time to find one. we will do this for you, if you pay us a lot of money. " there is never any explanation of where these women come from. from the tone of the advertisements the least one would expect would be a member of the kennedy clan, but i have to wonder whether these mysterious women are actually any better than the prostitutes you can meet on your own without the services of a middleperson. i am sure that ariana would make a busy executive very happy and would try terribly hard to be a good wife and mother, especially if he did not beat her.
in the end, perhaps, sex tourism is just another way of meeting people and making friends.
prostitution faq
the theory of *****mongering
my first theorem of mongering, is unashamedly based on david sklansky's theory of poker, and which explains what prostitution is all about.
the amount that men will pay for sex is related to the gap between the sex they are paying for and the sex that they could get for free. the amount that women will charge is to some extent related to the gap between the sexual partner that they would choose for themselves and what you, the client, represent. men will pay in two ways. firstly they pay with money, and secondly they will pay in terms of diminished sexual response and performance on the part of the woman which will devalue the sexual experience. the gap concept dictates that you will get best value for money by minimizing the gap. the prostitutes who make the best sexual partners are the ones who are most emotionally needy, therefore they are also potentially the most dangerous.
so how do you minimize the gap? here's how. the sex that you can get for free is related to your own level of sexual attractiveness.components include age, weight, looks, personal charm, hygiene, grooming, dress, and personal habits such as smoking and drinking. personal attractiveness, like risk factors for heart disease, can be divided into factors that you can change and those that you can't-age being the most obvious example of one that you can't change. (hair dye and plastic surgery only makes it look worse, as you can see by looking at politicians and preachers on tv). therefore if you want to get the best value for your money in mongering, you need to maximize your appeal, by, for example, losing weight or quitting smoking, dressing well, learning spanish or the language of the country you are going to. if you don't do these things then you need to be aware that you are making decisions that mean you won't get maximum value for your mongering dollar and just accept that fact. additionally, you may want to consider selecting a partner who is closer to you own level of attractiveness, rather than one who is totally gorgeous and knows it.
what's the best way to make love to a prostitute?
firstly you need to remember that she is a woman first and a prostitute second, so you should treat her like any date, that is respectfully and gently. human courtship has established procedures, and although in an encounter with a prostitute they may be accelerated, they should not be skipped completely. so first you talk, you flirt with the eyes, you compliment her on her appearance, you move to touching gently in non sexual areas, and then the face, so on. you must establish at each checkpoint that she is at ease with you before you move on to the next. you skip a stage at your peril. you never handle her roughly, or stick your tongue in her mouth, or your fingers in her vagina, unless you are 100% certain this will be welcomed. allow her to take the lead in these things. your job is to arouse her by touching her gently and hinting at what is to come.
are prostitutes really orgasmic with their clients?
i know that most women who read this will be rooting for the answer to be "no, never, they always fake it to flatter their foolish male clients. " and, yes, this may be true sometimes or even often, but all the same prostitutes often do enjoy the sex with their clients and have orgasms. you can read online blogs written by prostitutes that testify to this, but even just taking a common sense approach will tend to take you to the same conclusion. here's why. most prostitutes do not have steady boyfriends or husbands, because the nature of the job forbids it. therefore their job is their sex life, and if they enjoy sex, then being able to have sex with a variety of partners is very much an occupational perk. of course there will be many times when they have no rapport with the client and find them generally unarousing, but they will also encounter good lovers who are attractive, gentle and kind and with whom they very much enjoy the sex-and why not?
is she faking it?
maybe, but if she is, you probably should take it as a compliment, because she wants to please you. personally i find that this matter is a bit like determining whether bet on the end in poker is a bluff or not. you have to look at the whole history of the way your opponent has played the hand to see whether their betting has been consistent. i notice that many women will bite their top lip and rapidly suck their breath through their teeth when the sexual tension is building. this is a good sign. also, i generally always try to be a little "off the pace". that means that at whatever speed the woman wants to thrust her hips, you move just a little slower than she wants, which builds up tension and frustration prior to release. if she keeps trying to up the pace, then she is reaching for her orgasm, and this is a good sign. a huge indicator is if when she reaches the plateau stage of arousal prior to orgasm, the outer part of her vagina becomes more congested and squeezes you tightly. if you are stimulating her orally and she suddenly becomes extremely sensitive and pushes you away, this is also positive. if the signs of orgasm come out of nowhere, or are continuous from the moment of penetration, then you have to wonder if she is faking it. if she says something like "wow i really needed that", that is a sign that is strongly diagnostic of orgasm. some women make a lot of noise when they orgasm, some are very quiet and almost imperceptible.
so women have orgasms in many different ways, and just as in poker, sometimes you will never know if it was a bluff or not.
i will occasionally fake an orgasm myself, if it is my second go around and i am getting tired and want to call it a day. however, never try this with a dominicana as they will invariably demand visible proof of orgasm. if they catch you cheating, you will be made to go back and do it all over again, because they take sex very personally.
penis size, does it matter?
ah, if only this question could be answered definitively. what i do know is that from time to time girls at my friend's brothel will actually turn down a client if he is too big, because they say he will hurt them, and they will end up bruised and unable to have sex for a few days. they never refuse a client for being too small. one girl oddly refused a guy on the grounds of his excessive size, but said that she would have anal sex with him. however he didn't want anal, so eventually a switch to a more commodious female partner was negotiated. what this suggests to me is that a guy who is overendowed is much more likely to have prob lems than one who packs less heft in his pants, and that the male heroes of porno movies probably have a hard time getting laid off the job-though presumably when they get home to their wives after a hard day, or a day hard at the office, the last thing they would want is sex.
are these prostitutes you write about really all that attractive?
yes, i'm afraid they are. you see, they are the real thing--attractive young women in their early twenties, brimming with estrogen. in the united states broadcast and print media like to present us with images of women who are held up as models of attractiveness--typically actresses and popular singers-- but comparing them with prostitutes i know is like putting an old master painting alongside a "school of" painting. once you experience the quality of the real thing, imitations won't do any more.
a vast industry exists to sell products like clothes, cosmetics, diet foods, exercise programs to american women to help them look more like prostitutes, so clearly the last thing corporate interests want anyone to be allowed to say in corporate-owned media is that these products are a complete waste of money. but the honest truth is that if you took, for example, much-admired singer jennifer lopez and placed her in the blue marlin bar at the hotel del rey, and took away her expensive hair stylist, designer clothes, professional makeup, and flattering lighting, she would just be another short and dumpy also-ran--not really competitive with class acts like mariana. if the jennifer lopez's and others of her ilk are just "school of", what does that make the rest of the you. s. female population? later copies, probably, or, if plastic surgery has been used, outright forgeries.
but unlike the priestesses of the ancient temples of diana, these contemporary american goddesses do not deliver the goods. they are paid huge amounts of money to endorse products that help women to look like prostitutes, but they don't have sex with their admirers, so their ersatz sexiness never gets road-tested by ordinary consumers. real prostitutes are the real deal, they have to get naked with people at close quarters.
meanwhile, in smalls towns of america, like the one where i live, patriotic american women are patriotically consuming huge quantities of food, preferably fast, and consequently becoming hugely and patriotically fat. some of them look in the mirror and don't like what they see, and are then allowed to join the alternative program that allows them to buy huge quantities of foods with words like "diet" and "weight-loss" on the packaging and talk to other women about their diet. moving deckchairs on the titanic is fine, but the one thing the food industry, cannot afford to do is to let the american woman actually eat less. although she may embrace, and in my part of the world overwhelmingly does embrace, religious fundamentalism, gluttony, which was once one of the seven deadly sins, is never preached against, though lust will definitely get you hellbent.
this makes it sound, perhaps, as if i am obsessed with finding slim women, and that i have difficulty accepting the normal female body. nothing could be further from the truth. my novia is actually more slender than my ideal, and my preference is only for an adequately nourished, healthy, athletic, female partner who weighs less than two hundred pounds. at five feet eight inches tall.
disclaimer: what i have said here does not apply to all american women, but it does apply to most. my apologies to anyone who may have felt unjustifiably criticized. my intention is not to hurt the feelings of individuals, but to point out that the culture of consumption and competitive eating makes american women en masse less sexy.
isn't sex with prostitutes very impersonal?
it can be, but it is like any other kind of relationship-you have to work at it. paying for sex does not in itself buy intimacy, but intimacy can sometimes coexist with paid sex.
are you a sex addict? you must be!
must i? i'm not too sure what a sex addict is, if there is really such a beast, but i don't think i am one. i certainly don't think about sex all the time, and can go weeks without much interest in sex, especially when i am pursuing some other project that interests me. i am not really interested in reading about sex or watching pornography. i would say, though, that in my experience most of the novelty of sex with a new partner wears off in six months or so and that after that point it stimulates my imagination less than sex with a new partner. i truly envy people who are happy with lifelong monogamy and who mate for life like penguins, some preachers, and all politicians. for anyone whose life has this pattern, like my three sisters, i have nothing but admiration. their lives must be so much simpler than mine, they are invariably better off financially than i, and they don't have to deal with the chore of introducing new partners to the family at christmas.
web links:
hotel del rey www.delreyhotel.com/ costa rica tourism www.visitcostarica.com/ american airlines www.aa.com national museum of costa rica http://www.infocostarica.com/culture/museums.html wikipedia on sex tourism http: //en. wikipedia.org/wiki/sex_tourism wikipedia on costa rica http: //en. wikipedia.org/wiki/costa_rica
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Columbian Lover
12-06-06, 23:06
I arrived at the Irazu Hotel this afternoon. It was suggested to me a few months ago.
I see that there are signs and posters around the hotel and in the rooms stating that they do not allow prostitution. So, does that mean they are not GF anymore??
Has anyone had any recent experiance with the hotel bring someone into their room?
Let me know, I may have to move.
Thanks
Youdoo2, I went by Pirates Club last week without my CRT card. They didn't charge me a cover, and the charge for an hour was $50. I think the only advantage of the CRT membership is you get a free drink.
The rooms are really nice -- much nicer than Zona Blue IMHO. The women were mediocre in the looks department, but the service I got from a Nica was outstanding. She was either very passionate or a very good actress. She deserved an academy award for fuc*king. There were 6 or 7 women there and about 4 customers. My LBFM said most of the clients there are locals.
Hacke Beck, it is on Avenida 10, between Calle 12 and Calle 14, closer to Calle 14. It used to be Bar Dandy. They have a web site.
Ive been to the pirate club. It is located on avenida 10, it has a 5500 colones cover charge(this gets you 3 beers or 2 well drinks) but the website says there isnt any. The girls there are pretty good, the rooms are NICE. you get an hour session for $100 ($50 if you are a CRT member). All and all it isnt a bad place for the $50 a session.
I agree the girls, particularly DR girls, have gotten a little out of hand. Or maybe this whole international mongering thing has just gone haywire any more all woman think they have to do is show up with bigger boobs an ass implant and it's a guaranteed $100 for an hour or at least until she trys to get you to cum in a nano second.
That is a fantastic description. I went there once last week and left with a 19 year old cutie with breast implants. She asked me why I wouldn't give her a tip or pay her taxi. I told her because she was too professional and wouldn't kiss. Her response -- next time, I'll be much better because now we know each other. Yeah, right.
I'll be heading back to CR in February, having been there once in 2001, and I've been reading all the posts to catch up on what's happening there. I have two questions, actually: The MP's (NF, IDEM, ZB, etc.) seem to have a real discrepency in prices. I'm seeing as low as $24/hour and upwards of $100 (Pirates). Are prices related to quality? Second, what hours are these places usually open until? I seem to remember IDEM is open late, but I'm not sure. Do they all tend to shut down around 9? Thanks in advance for your help, guys!
Are prices related to quality? Define quality. I'd divide that up into quality of the establishment itself, quality of the appearance and selection of the chicas and quality of the performance the chicas provide. On all of those to a greater or lesser extent prices do NOT relate to quality. Of course the same truth applies to sessions you have with chicas you take back to your room. On the first measure, quality of the establishment, there is the greatest direct correlation, on the 2nd there is some correlation with certain exceptions and I guess you could say the same thing. It should also be noted that there is no direct correlation between looks and quality of performance and many might argue the exact opposite - that there is an inverse relationship.
Second, what hours are these places usually open until? Here is a case by case rundown of the places you mentioned to answer all your questions
New Fantasy: Hours: 9-9 M-S 9-5 on Sun Rates: 18K/hr & 10K/half
Nice facilities with a/c, full beds, sauna, steamroom. Has a seperate waiting area for the clients (huh?)
Many girls of various quality looks waiting in a room behind a smoked one-way mirror for the timid (I recommend you walk around the mirror so you can get a better look
I've had good sessions and I've had bad there, it helps to know who to pick and who not to pick.
IDEM: Hours: 3PM-midnight M-S Rates: 19K/hr upstairs 22K/hr downstairs
Has a bar area downstairs where you can buy an overpriced drinkwhile making your selection. Rooms have full beds, downstairs room has a/c
Many girls of various quality looks waiting along wall of bar
Last few sessions I've had here have been somewhat dissapointing, with lackluster performance and attempts by chicas to upsell.
Zona Blue: Hours: 9-9 M-S 10-6 on Sun Rates: 24K/hr 16K/half CRT disc: 17K/hr 12K/half
Very nice factilties with a/c regular beds, steam, sauna, showers in rooms, nice bar area, and even a cigar bar.
Many chicas of various quality looks
All Sessions I've had or heard about have been very positive. Chicas are freindly in the bar area and will even mingle with guests and that translates to the quality of sessiion once you get back to the room.
Oasis: Hours: 9AM-Midnight M-F, 10AM-5PM Sat Rates: 10K/hr
Facilties only fair no a/c(?), high massage tables, showers but no other special features
Smaller selection of girls, not quite as attractive as the other places mentioned so far but that could just be due to the smaller selection, cometimes you can find a real looker and of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Last time I went the girls were all busy except for one I didn't like so I just went around the corner to Their sister MP and had a great session with a little spinner.
Gernally great performances especially considering what they get paid. If you liked the old Arte's Sauna you'd like this place.
Pirates: Hours similar to IDEM Rates: seem to be still adjusting as this place finds its niche but have been $100/hr or $50 with CRT card. They need business and I suspect the rates can be negotiated lower still.
Facilities are very nice. Nice bar area on the first floor with rooms on the 2nd, a/c lots of wood paneling full beds, one even has a dancing pole in it.
Few chicas fair to middlin in appearance so far
Session quality much better than the looks, when I visited I didn't session (ended up with a 8K half hour very business liek session at Molino Rojo but thats another story) but the chicas were all smiley and very friendly and that may be you best indicator of potential session quality as much as how nice you think they look.
New Fantasy is open Sundays from 10 - 7.
Prices per hour at Idem are 22,000 colones upstairs and 25,000 colones downstairs.
Otra vez, I walked into Pirates last week WITHOUT a CRT card and was charged $50 for an hour, without negotiating. When asked where I heard about them, I said the internet, but never mentioned CRT. My masseuse told me the majority of their customers are Costa Rican. No way a Costa Rican is going to pay $100. The facilities are way nicer than the competition, but there are more women with marginally better looks on average (IMHO) in IDEM and ZB. Those are the only other MP's I've been to.
Pirates: Hours similar to IDEM Rates: seem to be still adjusting as this place finds its niche but have been $100/hr or $50 with CRT card. .
Professor10
12-09-06, 20:51
Talk about a well written and extensive view of the "hobby". You have coevered quite a number of areas that many men think of- but not able to express on paper. You have a report that should be in the Hall of Fame - distinction beyond compare. I applaud your expose on prostitution and all the other facets for us mongers to read and compare ourselves to. Keep up the great written work. And I can't imagine what it would be like if you included photos.
Why sex, though? Well, I don't know if I can fully explain, but some folks like football, golf, hunting, drinking, smoking, cocaine. I don't care much for any of these, but I love sex with beautful women. Recently a Jacksonville newspaper columnist announced that the college football draft was better than sex. I take the opposite view. Given a choice between sex with a beautiful woman and the college football draft, call me stupid if you will, and I know many people will find this a marginal call, but I will always opt for making love.
Great report Supertigre. I totally agree with you on this statement, but I am wondering if some guys think this way, but are afraid to display it.
I am a US GI and all my friends know about my mongering and when they want to go out on the town, they always want me to be their guide. One even told me that "he lives variously through me" (stories/pics). That thinking leads me to believe that they also want to do what I do, but are afraid or scared to try it. I have taken at least 20 guys to a massage palor for their first time and if I didn't take then, they said that they wouldn't of went.
First of all, that was a great report.
I don't think anyone that posts on this website thinks you are a sicko, weirdo, or some sort of pervert.
There are plenty of us that monger. That's what this website is about. there are even many more mongerers that don't even know about this website.
Now as far as your average citizen, they might think what we do is bad, or perverted. But, if anyone of us decided to stop mongering, the world and prostitution would live on.
I have taken many vacations just for mongering, and I don't regret what I have done, or the many thousands of dollars I have spent.
So, there is no need to explain your mongering to your fellow mongerers on this website.
Happy Mongering!
Viva Chicas
12-10-06, 11:14
You put into words what I have thought, but just could not describe.
I have gone on trips just to be with new ladies and to visit some that I have
had a nice time with before.
Several of my friends have told me that my adventures give them great joy.
They want to go with me, but for various reasons cannot.
So I always help them out by having some nice photos of the girls along with the fun stories that go with them.
I also believe strongly in treating the girls well. That extends to all aspects of being with them. From nice complements, to nice dinners and outings to see the town. It is best in my opinion to slightly overpay. The girl is happy and you will probably get better service. Plus, you are more likely to turn that one or two hour session into a TLN at no additional charge. That is priceless.
Your American girl concept is correct. Far too much food and not enough excersise. Most look like versions of Humpty Dumpty. Not at all like the thin and in shape foreign competition. The only reason the divorce rate is not even higher is the extreme cost to "dump the plump".
Anyway, great job Supertigre.
As everyone else said, Great report Supertigre. I just posted a pic of a girl in the photo section that I believe is your Dominicana named Carolina. Is Carolina the girl in the picture?
Supertigre
12-11-06, 22:49
First of all, that was a great report.
I don't think anyone that posts on this website thinks you are a sicko, weirdo, or some sort of pervert.
There are plenty of us that monger. That's what this website is about. there are even many more mongerers that don't even know about this website.
Now as far as your average citizen, they might think what we do is bad, or perverted. But, if anyone of us decided to stop mongering, the world and prostitution would live on.
I have taken many vacations just for mongering, and I don't regret what I have done, or the many thousands of dollars I have spent.
So, there is no need to explain your mongering to your fellow mongerers on this website.
Happy Mongering!Thanks for your comments. That article was not originally written for this board, as I explained at the beginning, and I did not have time to edit it for content, hence some irrelevant material. However I hope it will have been helpful to some.
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Supertigre
12-11-06, 22:57
As everyone else said, Great report Supertigre. I just posted a pic of a girl in the photo section that I believe is your Dominicana named Carolina. Is Carolina the girl in the picture?No, a) the girl in your picture is not my type, and b) I changed the names of all the girls.
Sex and sexual attraction are such a personal thing, that I don't think it is much good trying to track down girls who other people have had a good time with.
The other factor is that the personnel (girls) is constantly changing, and while some girls may be on the scene for a long time, the ones who are newer to the game are probably more rewarding to spend time with.
This is part of an unpublished article based on notes I made on my one and ony trip to Costa Rica, where I stayed at the Del Rey Hotel for two nights. This was not originally written for a mongering board, but may be of interest anyway.Wow what a report. I am starting a fishing trip with a few days in San Jose. I think you answered all of my questions before I asked the.
hey, not really sure what you are going by these days....i always like chase star..but did you make it to san jose.?i thought you were going last month and i havnt seen any trip reports from you, but i still see you posting under prolijo.
hope nothing happen to you to make you miss your trip....i see where some crt"s guys are getting together on sat (12/16) at the wing house..i am going to miami to see the heat play so i cant make it..anyway if you did make it to san jose i would like to hear some stories and did you find any new places ...i told member 2666 you were coming into town but i wasnt sure of the dates, i still think it would be a blast to hang with the 2 of you in san jose as i look at the both of you being experts on san jose !!!!! take care chilimike
Hey CM,
Yeah, I made it. I've been meaning to sit down and write a full trip report but you know how that goes sometimes. About half my trip was non-mongering (climbing Mt. Chirripo, checking out Dominical). The short version of the mongering portion goes something like this. Very nice Thanksgiving dinner with friends at the SL. Mediocre session at IDEM with the chica posted below(sorry forgot her name). A couple of the usual outstanding sessions with a favorite New Fantasy chica, who I'll leave nameless but who many of you may already know. And a surprisingly nice session with a little tica spinner named Paola from the little MP I went to around the corner from Oasis when Oasis's selection turned out to be lacking. Sorry, no photos of my other chicas that I can post. Also had a decent but not exceptional session (except for the price) with a hottie at Molino Rojo. My hunt elsewhere such as at the BM could best be summarized as hit or miss. As is so often the case, had a good time but it was way too short and always got the sense that the best ones were the ones that got away. But I made some promising contacts for my future trips if those chicas are still around.
I did get more photos, details and corrections for my map which I've been mainly focusing on updating since I got back rather than writing a long trip report. But if you guys really want another long-ass and complete "Prolijo post" I can always shift projects. : >
Maybe next time we can have our chapter meeting at Chili's instead of Hooters. I know the manager at the one in Clearwater.
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edit: oops, my bad. getting my chicas mixed up here. that first pic wasn't the one from IDEM. She was a chica I met at the SL dinner. Really, really hot looking but my little head must have been doing all my thinking. Note that, unlike the other 2 pics of chicas I recommended, this one couldn't break a smile. That should have been a dead give-away but my mind was on the rest of her. she was all business and didn't deliver back at my room. CBJ only, no DATY, no besos, non-responsive clock watcher. YMMV but I'd avoid her if I were you.
post the damm report ...for us unlucky bastards stuck here in the us...you post 3 photos...and i want all 3 of them, the second "paola" i have seen her i am sure and cant remember where, is she a bm girl? do you have some more photos of her....can you please pump up some posting of photos and some trip reports .
My next trip isnt until march so i need to live though guys that are in or who have just got back from san jose....are you meeting up with the crt guys on sat...? if my boss didnt get me tickets for the heat game already i would be there, a friend and i went to bare assets (new port richey) last week and for a florida strip bar it was fun...and if i had to bet i would say , one could score some outside action with some of the girls...hey if you have some photos please post ..i really like your picks of the ticas....M-2666 took me to some hide in the wall M.P "s on my last trip, i have no ideal how that guy remembers where these places are....since you didnt say anything , i guess the 2 of you didnt hook up......as for a meeting at my place....i tell my staff i go to san jose for the fishing...
Member #2964
12-13-06, 04:16
Yeah Chilli. The PINK SNAPPER pesca is great in San Jose.
Just wondering, I have been watching the airfare from New York to SJO for the last year or so. When I was there 2 years ago I spent $240 round trip to get there. Now the same flight is $550+/- is this the case from other destinations.? Has there been a new tax? Just a shame since it used to be a bargain but now costs as much as a ticket to Peru or Columbia for me.
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Toad Tamer
12-15-06, 04:03
Ender, ever since the spike in fuel cost all ticket prices have increased. In August of 2005, I flew for $350 w/taxes from LAX to SJO. I'm headed down in 15 days and have spent $650 w/taxes. Around August seems to be the cheapest time to go to CR, due to it being the off season. I keep checkin Travelocity.com and Ticotravel.com. Make your dates flexible.
Jaimito Cartero
12-15-06, 04:56
Just wondering, I have been watching the airfare from New York to SJO for the last year or so. When I was there 2 years ago I spent $240 round trip to get there. Now the same flight is $550+/- is this the case from other destinations.? Has there been a new tax?
Other than some US taxes, (which would amount for $10-$20 per ticket, 9-11 fees, etc) it's all because of market forces. The price does fluctuate a bit throughout the year. If you buy at high season, it can be $500-$600. I've booked a $200 plus tax flight on AA this year, and you can usually get a $300 all in fare if you pick your dates right.
Here's a site that I use:
http://www.farecompare.com/search/year.html?departure=NYC&destination=SJO
You can set it to send an alert if the price goes down below a certain point. You can also get a first class seat for $300 more if that's important to you.
I work in the Aircraft fuel field and in the last 18 months, Jet fuel has gone from (wholesale) $1.40US a gallon to $2.60US a gallon. Say, on a Trans Atlantic flight of 6000 miles, it is costing the airline around $16,000US more for fuel then it did 18 months ago.
A business associate told me that the problem isn't the cost of oil...the US doesn't have enough refineries (supply/demand). Katrina damaged three refineries and gas spiked to over $3 a gallon, now that they are back on line, gas has dropped again. So his reasoning seems correct.
My first trip to the gulch was a quick overnight. I liked the Presidante Hotel.no smoke and no noise. I hung out at the BM for several hours just to see what everyone was talking about. I met some really good guys at the BM, but the atmosphere gets kinda old for me after a few hours (especially since I do not smoke). I had dinner with a cute spinner and took her back to the Presidente. She had a great body, but lacked enthusiasm. Later, I brought another chica back. She had a good attitude, but I was disappointed to see that she had a somewhat flabby tummy.
The next morning I set out on a massage journey. I took a cab to the Oasis and checked out several spots in that area. Then I went to the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. NF was a really nice looking place, but not many girls were on duty. ZB was ok, but I found a decent lady there and had a good time.
I really like CR and SJO because the people are so friendly and indeed there are many beautiful chicas. This is just personal preference, but next time I am in SJO, I will probably spend less time at the BM and more time at NF.
Cheers
Jaimito Cartero
12-15-06, 15:51
I work in the Aircraft fuel field and in the last 18 months, Jet fuel has gone from (wholesale) $1.40US a gallon to $2.60US a gallon. Say, on a Trans Atlantic flight of 6000 miles, it is costing the airline around $16,000US more for fuel then it did 18 months ago.
A business associate told me that the problem isn't the cost of oil...the US doesn't have enough refineries (supply/demand). Katrina damaged three refineries and gas spiked to over $3 a gallon, now that they are back on line, gas has dropped again. So his reasoning seems correct.
Jet Fuel A (a type of kerosene) does not fluctuate as much as standard gasoline prices. According to this government report, it was only $1.67 per gallon in January of this year.
http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/02-15-06/02-15-06memo.html
Most airlines base their pricing on the competition rather than their costs. So you will pay $500 to fly 350 miles from a small airport, but only charge $249 to fly 6000 miles to a very competitive market, say LAX-LGW.
If you fly from a small market, it might be fiscally better to drive 100 miles, you could save hundreds of dollars. Expedia has a nice option that one you select the city and see the pricing for your trip, you can pull down a menu with other nearby airports and price your same flight departing from there.
Many routes are seasonal. So you'll pay $500 to fly to Costa Rica right now from most major US cities, but may pay half of that in early March. Many airlines attack other carriers base cities, so CO may offer low fares from Phoenix, Philadelphia and Charlotte to fight US Air/America West, while Delta may offer low fares from Houston, and American may be cheap from Atlanta.
If you set up a fare alert (www.farecompare.com is my favorite), then you'll get an email when the price falls below a certain price. Most of these sales are unannounced, and may last hours or just a few days.
My first trip to the gulch was a quick overnight. I liked the Presidante Hotel -no smoke and no noise. I hung out at the BM for several hours just to see what everyone was talking about. I met some really good guys at the BM, but the atmosphere gets kinda old for me after a few hours (especially since I do not smoke). I had dinner with a cute spinner and took her back to the Presidente. She had a great body, but lacked enthusiasm. Later, I brought another chica back. She had a good attitude, but I was disappointed to see that she had a somewhat flabby tummy.
The next morning I set out on a massage journey. I took a cab to the Oasis and checked out several spots in that area. Then I went to the New Fantasy and Zona Blue. NF was a really nice looking place, but not many girls were on duty. ZB was ok, but I found a decent lady there and had a good time.
I really like CR and SJO because the people are so friendly and indeed there are many beautiful chicas. This is just personal preference, but next time I am in SJO, I will probably spend less time at the BM and more time at NF.
CheersPot Belly's are pretty common down there--that's what 2 or 3 little one's will do to a girl--and a high carb diet of beans and rice helps. So is droopy ass. Those jeans come off and gravity sets in.
Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
Thanks
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of Colombians in general.
You need to know what the deal is with this particular woman.
You need to figure that out for yourself.
And no matter how well you think you know her, you need to protect yourself at all times.
Jaimito Cartero
12-17-06, 09:30
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
The girls aren't employee's, I think they just check ID's to make sure they're of legal age.
If she has a visa to the US, it means she's probably gone before. If you wish to pay her a lot, or pay for her trip so she can "work", great. I would be hesitant to bring any working girl to visit for longer than a month.
I don't know much about Colombian chicas, but I know that some of them have muled for dealers, so that's something to keep in your head. I think the reason many Tica's don't like them, is that they are pretty aggressive, and some of them are very hot, and take away their business.
Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
ThanksI think that scanner checks their personal information. It's not a time punch.
Hello,
I have question for the Board. I have often visited Brazil and at times wanted one of girls to come back to U.S. and stay awhile and I mean awhile. I recently visited CR, I had a wonder time. One of things I like was older women then those in Brazil and women which have visas. Well here is my question. I have a Columbian, whom I meet who as a visa. She would like to come to U.S. to visit but I am little concern because it seems the Columbian girls are not viewed favorable in Costa Rica. Is there some beef among them and Costa Rican women.? Also, it seems guys have been giving mix reviews on Columbian women as far as attitude. Is this true? By the way she works at Del Ray.
Any advice would be great before I decide to let her come to visit.
Do they punch a clock I saw girls slide their id when coming in Del Ray, always forget to ask.
ThanksThat scanner is to check personal information. Not for a clock punch. The girls don't work for the hotel.
Columbianas are my least favorite in SJO. With exception of one who is in her early 30's. I have found them to be "dollar worshipers" and "clock watchers".
I have found them to be tough on business deals, too.
But each to his own . . . Good luck!
Wow! I have been to SJO twice without writing a follow-up review. My last trip was over a month ago but here it is.
I arrived on Monday mid-afternoon and stayed at the usual Hotel Morazon. It always comes with a few minor inconveniences, but this time there were more than usual. The undependable elevator was out of order, so Ricardo put me on the 2nd floor. The room smelled of mildew and it was visible around the ceiling in the shower. Fearing for my health, I demanded a different room the next morning and they moved to my usual on the 4th floor. Oh yeah. the elevator was fixed, by then. The free internet was hit/miss because they had not fixed the wiring. The room charge $39/night and no extra charge for guests.
I have an ATF Nica, but had told her I'd be there Tuesday, so I could do some scouting on Monday. One of her friends saw me checking in and called her. Oh well. I didn't really need to go to DR or NF anyhow.
I did make it to both places a few times during the week that I was there. I' had a routine to watch the scenery at DR, then participate at NF. There was a tall, really Nica at NF. Can't remember her name, but she had little bit of a stomach, (like I should talk) and took a little time to warm up. If she is still there, I'd take for a drive again.
Not sure what, if anything, is going on at Bar Monaco, as I did not make it there again.
I had breakfast almost everyday at News Cafe, which is still a good scene and a good view. However, I had a little problem with the food at the DR Restaurant this time. When I was here in August I had a great seabass dinner, that came with a great cream sauce including mussels and baby shrimp. I ordered the same meal this time and the seabass tasted like it had been frozen for a year. When I asked Pedro why it tasted so different, he said that I had fresh seabass in August, but this was frozen. I told him, if it's frozen next time, I'd just order something else.
Here's a hint to make a few points with the new hotel manager. Take a small bag of sugarfree chocolate and give it to him, when you see him. He has a diabetic son who wants chocolate, but sugarfree is so expensive. When I was there in August, he said " please bring a bag of sugarfree candy when you come back and my son will be very happy." When I returned in November with the candy, I could no wrong.
Have a safe holiday season.
Impressive report, Supertigre! I was in CR several times, last time in 2003, and needed some update on what's going on, since I plan to go to SJ soon.
With all do respect, before we make judgement on Colombian women, let us understand "we" are making judgement on Colombian women "living" in another country, other than their own (Col.). After all, things were bad enough in their own country, that they had to flee it for economic purposes. So yeah, they may be considered "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers."
Moreover, they are surviving and struggling like all other sex workers in a full, blown-out, legalized forum (C.R.) where prostitution is legal throughout the country. In other words, it's a competitive business.
To judge a true Colombiana, take a FEW trips to locals in Colombia. (because the first & the second will cloud your judgement !!you'll want to move there.)
But after the first few trips, you really get a feel of what a non-working colombiana girl is like. Still, very passionate, sexual and sexy. It doesn't help that colombianas are considered to be one of the most gorgeous group of women in the world.
Perhaps sometimes, that's the reason why I hear Ticas talk down about them.
I never hear them (Ticas) talk down about Nicaraguense, or Salvadorenas, etc....maybe I'm not listening close enough??
But that said, let's enjoy what we got !!
happy holidays
eric7
Eric,
"With all do respect", before we make excuses for Colombian women, understand that, of course, these are all generalizations but the same argument about "Colombian women 'living' in another country, other than their own or how, after all, things were bad enough in their own country that they had to flee it for economic purposes, etc." could just as easily be applied to other working women in CR from Nicaragua, Dom. Rep., Panama etc. and yet for some reason women from those countries haven't developed the same reputation for being ruthless "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers." Why is that? There must be some other basis for that ruthless Colombian reputation.
Sure, "they're surviving and struggling like all other sex workers in a full, blown-out, legalized forum (C.R.) where prostitution is legal throughout the country. In other words, it's a competitive business." Sound the violins. My heart bleeds. SO WHAT? The point is that they operate in the same competitive climate as every other working girl in CR and yet somehow they've managed to develop this reputation for being cold and ruthless well beyond girls from any other nationality. You'll excuse me if I don't feel sorry for them. Something else must be behind it.
My own theory is that 30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. Columbia has the highest murder rate in the world (about 12-13 times the rate in the US or CR) and other types of crime are similarly high. Of course not all Colombians are killers, but I think it still says a lot about the Colombian general temperment.
Granted non-working colombianas back in Colombia may be very different than the select few colombianas who wind up working in CR at the BM, but Qncterra wasn't talking about them. HE was talking about columbianas (sic) in SJO. And it very well may true that they're "very passionate, sexual and sexy" and "the most gorgeous group of women in the world" (equally all generalizations) but just remember you gotta take the bad with the good.
I think any supposed Tica jealousy of their "gorgeousness" such as you implied has little if anything to do with the attitudes WE have about the Colombianas. First of all, these are attitudes that we as MONGERS have about them completely independently of what the Ticas might think. For us their "gorgeousness" is not a threat but their one major plus. Our problem is all about their attitudes. And the same is probably also true on the Tica's view of Colombianas although again probably for somewhat different reasons. If anything Ticas should love Colombianas because they help drive up prices. The reason why you hear Ticas talk down about them is because of their aggressive manner.
What I have heard is that the Colombianas try, or at least tried at some point, to enforce a price floor below which the other chicas are not supposed to go and can be very threatening if they hear of any chica agreeing to a price below that. This is why you always hear the Cien asking price and why some chicas won't go lower. Of course, in economics when you try to artificially raise prices that way it causes unemployment or at least under employment (which is one of the valid arguments against raising the minimum wage in this country). Most chicas will lower their price until the point that demand once again equals supply rather than sitting around all night sticking to a price that makes no sense, but they can get a lot of grief from their Colombiana "sisters" if they find out. Thats one good reason to be quiet and discrete while negotiating at the BM. If the others don't hear what you both agree to, you're more likely to get them to agree to a lower price ("it'll be just our little secret").
"If you never hear them (Ticas) talk down about Nicaraguense, or Salvadorenas, etc.... "you definitely aren't listening close enough. There is a HUGE amount of discrimination in CR against Nicaraguans, mainly because the have so many more illegal Nicaraguan immigrants than those from Colombia (much like our mexicanos here in the US). The difference is that Nicaraguans are seen as driving down the local wages (and cause crime, strain social services, etc. and cause every other social problem they can think of blaming on them). The Colombians in CR are blamed for some of that too but much more on the violent crime and drug side of the equation than on wages and unemployment.
Postie2007
12-23-06, 09:26
"and yet for some reason women from those countries haven't developed the same reputation for being ruthless "dollar worshipers" & "clock watchers. " Why is that? There must be some other basis for that ruthless Colombian reputation. "
Their is no other basis. The ones I encounter do exactally that.
I posted my first report here about Natalia, a sexy, but easily violent DR columbian that was lackluster at best the first time and in a drunken stupor, hired her a second time where disaster ensued. She actually told my tico friend "that's how we treat gringos".
To do a bit of a follow-up on that story, I have lived and worked here for a year now and I frequently go to the DR and on occasion, friends and co-workers drag me to KL [long story, read back to my earlier report so I don't bore the regulars] and some of the regulars know me. Last week I was there and there was a columbian girl who knew me and was trying to make sure I was gonna take her home. Thru out the course of dinner, a tica I also frequent approached me, sat down and went right into "GFE" mode. Sharing my fries, lighting my cigarettes, acting like we were a couple for years. Long story short, she was the one who came back home. Now, she's not a knockout as her columbian counterpart, but she goes the extra mile. BBCIMBJ, various positions, left her cell phone OFF! , gave me a great massage AFTER sex and wound up staying the night. She did the little things. Tried to make the bed and clean up messes made the night before. Had to stop her or my maid would have just watched TV all day and smoked my cigarettes =P Only dissapointment was she had to bolt before breakfast to make sure her kid got to school.
On top of that, she doesn't try to soak me for a full see-note. She never asks up front. Do I hook her up? Hell yeah. Will I have her again? Definatly.
"30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. Have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. "
I have a different theory: alot of first time mongers and old doods [I should be careful saying that, I'm on the cusp of being one] see these columbian hotties and pay top dollar for what in essence is about 24 minutes of sex they would never get in real life [myself included] and the columbian girls capatalize on that. [probably a few others as well, but predominantly, columbianas]
And yes, nicas are bad too. They want the money but do not want to work or preform for it. Almost like a gringa! ; )
I lable them like a IBM computer. The least ammount of computer for the maximum ammount of money.
But that said, lets enjoy what we got. But at a reasonable price and some quality behind it.
Police love me not. Err. Feliz Navidad!
Postie
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Hi,,,been a while since I've posted in the CR section but I've made many trips there and can say that the Colombianas in San Jose are there to make the money and go.i've made 3 trips to Colombia this year and on their home turf it is a big difference between the mercenary,hard core putas that frequent the Del Rey.I've met some awesome paisas ,,total gfe's,but for that you need to go to the motherland........mule
i dont have any facts to back this story up....but on my last trip i was at the sportmens and there were 3 of us sitting and watching football and we started swapping stories of the ticas we had been with on this trip. And this guy (dont recall his name) starts with some great tales and seem to be very hip on the san jose sceen....any way we start talking about colombians, and not sure if anyone knows this girl but she in in the delray everynite , she wears a black backless dress and she a hairdo that looks like something out of the 60"s and he tells me she is the "boss" of about 10 colombians and they all answer to her and she keeps tabs on all of them. So i dont think this guy is a bullshiter , so i watch her in action the next few days of my trip...sure enough i never see her go with anyone and she just walks around and around checking on her girls....i do see some of the older men hitting on her ...but i never see anyone pull the tigger on her.
I dont think she is good looking and not my type but i am sure she has some great stories to tell, and the way she works that floor she must be getting a cut from each girl...again i have no facts but after that guy gave me the heads up on her ....i feel like he knows what he is talking about !!!
There are rumors that the Colombianas at the Del Rey are part of some Colombian organized crime ring. They supposedly pay a fee to be smuggled into the country by some coyotes and then have to work off the cost. They live together with their fellow Colombianas in small groups both to save money but also so the people organizing it can keep tabs on them and those same people try to enforce how much they charge or how much they have to bring back each night. Again this may also just be rumors, but do a search on the Trata Blanca and just see what comes up. It can be very disturbing.
Member #2666
12-26-06, 00:52
Chili,
You're talking about Tatiana and she is Tica...100%..I have heard the same about her but it's the same erroneous story being circulated about.
She's not a great provider but is somewhat of a go getter.
Also, she lives in her own house with 4 kids, speaks English and drives a Hyundai (sp).....
PS... she also has a red dress
To what do we owe this special treat on christmas day. But a report from #2666 and we all thought you had hung up your rubbers and ran out of gas! Good to see you posting again. What will it take to get a few photos out of you? Hey that girl is a trip. With the hair do and all! But she is trip, watching her walk that floor at the delray. I would think someone has been with her and has a little more info on her. 2666 if you get a chance go to that other site. And look in the photo section that girl from the vips 2 had her photo posted! Last girl I would have guessed to see on that site! Oh yeah. Merry christmas to all!
Ok. You those of us who go to the delray during the daytime hours. I am sure have run into this girl! Can't miss her. She has a big "scorpion tatoo on her chest. Which you can see in the vid also if you have ever talked with her. You know its her 100%. Anyway she says she is in Costa Rica and invites you to the delray where she will suck your dick (she is saying this as she is sucking some guy off) also she says "she is a costa rican tica" I myself have never been with her but the words she says on the vid are the same lines she gave to me. I always thought she was to nasty. And she has put on at 20 pounds from the first time I seen her. Says her name is cathy in the vid. Ok here is how you can see it! Go to Pued.com then go to the area labled "ulgy girls" then her vid is the second on listed or labled "ulgy ***** licking dick and gets pussy banged" its wild to see someone you know on one of these sites. About a year ago I wrote a post on her. I said something like I think she is nasty but maybe worth doing. And the next time I see her. I felt like she had read my post!
Hi,,,been a while since I've posted in the CR section but I've made many trips there and can say that the Colombianas in San Jose are there to make the money and go.i've made 3 trips to Colombia this year and on their home turf it is a big difference between the mercenary,hard core putas that frequent the Del Rey.I've met some awesome paisas ,,total gfe's,but for that you need to go to the motherland........mule
Could not have said it better myself. You are right on the mark.
Xavier Wash
12-28-06, 05:23
I was just wondering were would be the best location to stay in San Jose that puts you in the heart of the action.
Toad Tamer
01-01-07, 23:22
Here's my blog for my Costa Rica trip, Xmas day till the 31st:
Just got in Xmas afternoon and all is quiet here at the SL. One chica here as far as I can see. Gonna take Zebras tip and eat some grub at Hamburguesa Factory then see who's open for bizness, NF/ZB. I'll check back later.
DAY 1
The plane was cramped, seats were unconfortable on Copas red eye flight to CR. An empty customs Dept. Was found upon entry. Johanna was working the front desk. She says she gets to take off New Years eve.
I head over to New York bar to check out Bilko playing with his instrument. You guys were rockin the house! . A drunken chica stumbles on stage and tried to steal the show. You shoulda pimped slapped her Bilko *LOL*
I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).
Del Rey is next. Typically slow for Xmas day. Seems like the bottom of the barrow chicas are left. I head back to the SL to find the place void of chicas. The plan was to go back to the DR and import one but jet lag got the best of me.
DAY 2
Headed to the News Cafe for breakfast. All good seats were occupied. Had a tico breakfast then headed back to the SL to find Paradiso-ATV tours waiting for me. I forgot I had e-mailed them before hand. Gary, the owner did not have any other appointments so he gave me the VIP treatment. Gary has relocated his ATV tours buisness to a new location. He is conducting tours on privately owned property that has fantastic trails. We went from dry rock trails to semi damp rainforest trails. The scenery was breathtaking. We broke for lunch then saddled back up for a couple of more hours of tougher terrain. This tour is a must do guys. If you book on-line its $80 for the day. I left at 10 and was dropped off at 5: 30. You may purchase freshly harvested (on the property) roasted coffee beans ($5 a pound) there is also a marmalaid factory on the premises. The maramlaids are made from CR fruit and are totally organic (no sugar).
SL was still void of chicas so I headed over to New Fantasy. NF is no longer a CRT sponser. The chica behind behind the desk siad "Our prices are cheap enough as it is" 2 other chicas chimed in said "Yeah were cheap enough"? Anyway sessioned with Gilda. A little chunky but very cute. Gave a pretty decent massage and tongue bath. $40 for the hour session.
Gotta crash early for a 6: 30AM pick up for class 4 rapids
DAY 3
Did the rafting thing today. It was suppose to be class 4 rapids. It rained like hell, all night by the Picuare river. The river became class 6 & 7 and too dangerous to run. The guide said we were going to another, class 3 river that is dam controlled. What ticks me off is they did not tell us we were going to get cheated out of 1/2 a day of riding. We went into the water at 10: 30AM and got out at 12: 30pm. No way is that a full day. They filled in teh unused time by giving us a 1 1/2 hour breakfast (were waiting for somone was the excuse. Somone never arrived) and a 1 1/2 hour lunch. I wouldn't of minded if they would of communicated the situation to us. I've been on this trip 3 other times with different companies. Most folks were newbies to CR and were asking me "Is it suppose to be this short"? After I filled them in on what was going on, no propinas exchanged hands. Exploradores Outdoors will never get my $$ again.
When I returned to the SL, I got a great massage. She can make a grown man scream. Good massage. Next, off to Zona Blue. Was lookin for Naomi, and found her. Great little spinner. What she lacks in tetas she makes up in performance. She dragged her amiga into the room and wanted to do a twosome after the deed. Too hungry, time to grub. Went to Bennihanna. The food was pretty good or maybe I was just starving from rafting. Pura Vida!
DAY 4
Chill out day. Manicure, pedicure and a massage was in order today. I cruise down to New Fantasy around noon and find the window lacking in quality. No problem, off to Zona Blue. 2 chicas in the bar area. 5's at best. Leave kinda frustrated. Head over Hamburguesa Factory and have Agreat CR cheeseburger and papas. I take a stroll down the walkway toward the Presadente Hotel and kick it on a wall by a park. I strike up a gringo espanol conversation with a little chuncky but cute chica and pretty soon were back in my room. She says she has one chico at home. I shower her with my 99 cent store stuff. Power Ranger dolls, toothbrush/paste, lighters. She was almost ready to cry. Free panocha, is the best panocha! We got a lunch date manana.
PS / Thursday 9pm, Things are picking up here at the SL. A good flow of chicas are here tonight. PURA VIDA!
DAY 5
Doin the amiga thing today. Lunch, walk around, zoo.
One piece of info I learned is about a SL regular chica Eres She has a ring on her finger and a novia now. Her novia is here now and is suppose to wisk her away to the Caymans{sp}. Best of luck to her, I guess dreams do come true.
DAY 6 LAST DAY
Hung out with my new amiga. Did the mall thing. Picked up some toys and groceries. She took me to a La Prinsessa seafood restaraunt. Excellent food for cheap. I had a whole Tilapia, butterfliedout, with all kind of seafood stuffed inside /$8. Best meal I've had in CR.
5pm here at the SL. The chica count is picking up. I count about 10 chicas here. Decorations are getting ready for the New Years party.
It's Ultimate fight night here at the SL. Standing room only. An easy 100 people here.
You folks comming down for the New Years party have a fantastic time!
I'm off to Panama for an 8 hour layover before heading home.
Pura Vida!
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Bukkake Party
01-04-07, 01:00
I was there in the summer of 05 and and was with a girl that looke djust like Brooke Burke I believe her name was Liliana? any info?
The girl with the Scorpion on her chest is Kristy Vivines, she has been at the Del Rey for a long time. I met her about 6 or 7 years ago. She has something like 11 0r 12 brothers and sisters. The few times that i was with her she treated me well.
[QUOTE=Toad Tamer]I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).
16,000 colones is about $31.00 not $8.00
Jaimito Cartero
01-06-07, 10:05
I had dinner at El Balcon, next to New York bar. A decent Italian restaurant. The chefs special was fettuccini with lobster and shrimp for 16, 000 colons ($8).
I think the restaurant is called Balcon de Europa. I've been eating there since it was around the corner, closer to Chelles. It is a decent place, the staff is generally friendly, and the prices are reasonable enough.
You might also want to check your colones to dollars conversion, as 16,000 colones is about $31 and not $8.
I am going to be in San Jose January 14th 18th. Looking for a wingman, planning to go to Pantera Rosa and Kumar at night, if any one is intested! Staying at Hotel Zona Blue for the fun of the place. PM if you are interested!
Johnny Sax
01-13-07, 09:14
"30 years of civil war, drug cartels with its attendant violence, kidnappings, paramilitary hit squads, assasination of police and judicial officials etc. Have innured many Colombians to violence making them more prone to violence in general than most other nationalities. "
I have a different theory: alot of first time mongers and old doods [I should be careful saying that, I'm on the cusp of being one] see these columbian hotties and pay top dollar for what in essence is about 24 minutes of sex they would never get in real life [myself included] and the columbian girls capatalize on that. [probably a few others as well, but predominantly, columbianas]
And yes, nicas are bad too. They want the money but do not want to work or preform for it. Almost like a gringa! ; )
I agree that MOST - not all, I'm sure - of the Colombianas are hard core h**kers wanting to just have slam bam thank you mam sex and are not warm and sweet like a lot of the Ticas.
However, I disagree with you about the Nicas. I've had half a dozen or so Nicas and every one was GREAT in bed, very warm and sweet, and pretty much GFE. YMMV.
I agree that MOST - not all, I'm sure - of the Colombianas are hard core h**kers wanting to just have slam bam thank you mam sex and are not warm and sweet like a lot of the Ticas.
However, I disagree with you about the Nicas. I've had half a dozen or so Nicas and every one was GREAT in bed, very warm and sweet, and pretty much GFE. YMMV.
If you are judging Colombianas by the ones you meet in the Del Rey then O.K..Also the years of civil war,drug wars etc. have nothing to do with their hard core ways,they are trying to make all the $ they can before their visas run out.I have seen the Colombian chicas in the Del Rey and they are not even close to the ones I met in Colombia in both attitudes and beauty.
Toad Tamer
01-15-07, 04:48
Sorry guys, made an error on the calculations. That's what typing late at night will do to ya. Anyways the meal I had at La Princessa was tops. Whole Tilapia butterflyed with all kinds of seafood in the middle. Bill was under $20 with a ceviche appetizer.
Might be headed back to CR for a quickie, spring break trip. Fares are around $350 RT from LA if you can handle the dates.
Dan D Dick
01-17-07, 00:31
I suspect this will be non-enlightening for those who have spent time in San Jose but may be useful for those planing a visit.
Night 1
Arrived San Jose 9:30 PM from Houston. Through immigration & customs & to the Sportsmens Lodge in less than an hour. $19 US cab ride from the airport.
Got checked in and had a little culture shock. I spend about 160 days a year in hotels & am used to a much higher standard. My room was the "Felicidad" - the very first room as you enter the hotel, facing the street and adjoining the entry hall. The room had a small compliment of 25 watt lightbulbs, a bathroom the size of my kitchen table & no place to set toiletries except on the back of the commode where the fecal aerosol rises every time you flush. The room was not quiet. The bed was adequate at best. Clearly the windows would let in the first sign of light. If you select this hotel be sure to bring a sleep mask & ear plugs. [insert silver spoon jokes here]
Hit the bar and had a few beers. Met some nice guys and had several more beers (mistake at my age). Went to the Key Largo after the Lodge's bar closed about midnight & was immediately accosted by a bright, smiling 28 y/o with a huge [artificial] rack names Keylin. We had a pretty good time dancing to the live band & drinking more beers (another mistake). Headed back to the room & had fun in every orifice. Unfortunately the beers, time (now past 3AM) and my age took their toll & I tired before finishing. Old age ain't for sissys. I suspect the biggest problem was the busted fantasy. I'm used to girls getting wet. Very wet. This little gal never did, telling my over active brain it was all business for her. Kinda took the spark away.
So to bed a little after 3:30 & the light came in at 6:30 with the noise following at 7:30. I suspect Night #2 will close a little sooner.
BTW - there was certainly no shortage of gals at the Key Largo. A bit loud for my tastes & with the not-quite-fluent-in-English issue of most of the gals it made communications a bit difficult. One thing I noticed was that the gal I had was quite pretty. Some of those guys obviously have different tastes in women or there was an "economy" aisle I didn't see.
Day 2
Breakfast at the bar in the Sportsmens Lodge. A decent omelet. Work back in the room to catch up on office problems.
A break near noonish to track down the famous Zona Blue. A short walk later & it looks like the place is closed. Either I'm in the wrong spot (the sign says "Zona Blue Hotel") or I'm not sharp enough or patient enough to find the right door. Head back a few blocks to the New Fantasy. Walk in & there's a little room to the left plumb full of cute little gals. I stick my head in & ask "Hable Inglese?" Most simply ignore me but a few chime in "A little". I pick Rachel, a half-Brazilian, half-Tica, 22 year young cutie with blonde hair, small chest & a captivating smile. I normally like the bigger racks but will take attitude over flesh every time. And I'd rather play with a smaller handful of soft, real flesh than a larger handful of hard flesh.
We both strip down and about 40 minutes of delightful massage later I turn over. We agree on chupar sin condon para propina and suddenly the power goes out. No matter. Great finish with a little cuddling & grab-ass afterwards. Excellent time. I tip better than most customers and we both separate quite happy. I'm beginning to think I prefer the New Fantasy type experience to the trolling at the Blue Marlin or Key Largo experience. It's cheaper, I don't have breath other people's second hand smoke, we both know it's all about the customer so I can enjoy the massage & not feel compelled to try to satisfy her. Call me old fashioned, but that's a hard habit to break. And I'm certainly much better off without the booze. Now don't get me wrong, there's a lot to be said for the window shopping and flirting (I'm flirting with the gals, they're flirting with my wallet) & I'll likely continue that exercise as well.
Back to the room & I get a little more work done. Dinner at JR's Ribs which was pretty good.
Check to see if I can get a good deal at the Marriot. I'd spent a single night there a few months ago & it's a great hotel in a crappy location. Too pricey for my cheap ass this time; I decide to tough it out at the Sportsmens. Ultimately a very good decision.
Day 3
Head back to the Zona Blue around noon to see if it's open today. Dumbass. Have to push the doorbell to get buzzed in. Go figure. Anyway, walk through to the rear & there's a nice little bar & half a dozen gals. I was quoted 20,000 Colones when I came through the door but ultimately was charged 22,000 with the CRT card. Picked a little 28 y/o spinner with long black hair & a beautiful smile. Had a great time. Shower, message, play, spoon, shower, say goodbye.
Turned left & had lunch at the Peru restaurant, a little mom & pop place a hundred feet down the block. Nice salad, rice & fried shrimp for 3200 Colones.
Walked around a bit looking for somewhere to buy a few snacks & a couple 2-liter bottles of Sprite. Never found anything. Finally hailed a cab and asked him to take me to a super mercado. Stocked up & headed back to the room to do a little more work.
Met up with Jim - a 52 y/o guy with similar interests from the DC area about 7 after watching the Colts win in one of the playoff games. I was happy but he wasn't. We headed to the Buenos Aires restaurant. Good food at a reasonable price. From there we headed to the tico bar Las Margaritas.
Well, this place was more local in color with very little English being spoken. No issues, everybody was friendly. Sat down, got our drinks and a couple of gals come join us. 5000 Colones per lady drink. Okay, I'm here to have a good time. Keep in mind these are small ladies drinks and the gal's can pretty well inhale them. No biggie. I wind up buying the Dominican gal I'm with three, he buys the Nica gal he's with two (cheap bastard). The whole time the gals are sitting with us - maybe 30 minutes - they're lapdancing & we're groping. A really pretty good time. We each head to the back & have a ball. Only downside - she promised chupar sin condon but did not deliver the bbbj. The room was rather spartan with a couch & limited A/C. On the whole I was pleased. Total cost about $70 US.
Back to the Lodge about 9:30, shower & have a few beers before crashing.
Day 4
Sunday morning, 11AM. Headed over to New Fantasy to see my new buddy Rachel. Slim pickings today & she's off until 10AM Monday. Well, I figger if it's going to be a crap shot I might as well try somewhere else. I head down the street past Zona Blue to Bella Masion. Closed. On to Cha Cha Cha & 747 around the corner. Both closed. On to Krysis where I recall some rather negative reports. Closed. Another block down to 70E. That's most likely the street number as there's no outward signs but the door is open and beckens me to enter. Once inside, it's a relatively warm anteroom, very dark, with half a dozen gals sitting on one side and two or three guys sitting on the other side. Very quiet. I sit down & wait for my pupils to dilate so I can at least make sure I pick out a female.
In the shadows on the far side is an older gal of average looks. I pick her, Jennifer, 31 y/o Tica mother of one. Her English skills are really very good. 12000 Colones for an hour. I pay her & while she's out turning in the cash I find the wall fan & get it plugged in. We start with the standard face-down massage. Really very relaxing. I grad her ass a few times & have a very relaxing half hour. She asks "blow job?" and the next path is set. She's certainly not sporty enough for the young, macho guys who are intersted in hot babes. But for this pentagenarian the large natural boobs, english skills, trim body and smile make her a winner. Excellent bbbjcim without having to beg for sin condon. We lay together & spoon a bit, chatting about her life and daughter. From my aged eyes, she's a keeper. And she doesn't mind giving my still-wet willie a good-bye suck before she heads out to shower. Damn - I thought she was going to make me hard again! She comes back to the room & I find out she gets off work about 5 and would love to go out to dinner. I give her a 10,000 note tip & she seems genuinely startled and very happy.
She arrives at the Sportsman's Lodge about 6. I'm engrossed in the New England - San Diego playoffs & we sit in the bar & watch the widescreen with about 30 boistrous gringos and one other working gal. I buy her a few beers as the game goes along while I drink my Sprite (I learn from my mistakes). She's just a bit looped from the booze and no food (she skipped lunch after I asked her out). Dinner at the Princess Marina & we return to the room. Excellent clhoice for seafood. A great time was had by all. Seems she hasn't had good sex in many months. A little DATY & she comes not-so-quietly. A little spooning and bbbj later & I convince her to go for round two. She can hardly move afterwards. A little more deep kissing, petting and another quick bbbj and she wants to ride cowgirl sin condon. She had told me earlier she couldn't afford any more children. Weak man that I am & next thing you know the ride is on. Three for her and my second of the day. My self esteem is restored. We had never discussed money and this could arguably simply be considered a date. After she gets dressed (she has to get home to her child) I ask her if she would be offended if I offered her some money. She said no but all she wanted was cab fare.
Guess we'll have dinner again tomorrow. She mentions that next time I visit San Jose I can stay with her. From a cost perspective I'm sure it's a good deal, but..... Anyway, cab fare it was & I went to bed a very happy man.
Day 5
Last day here before I move on to El Salvador. Do some work on the computer & stop off at the local pharmacy to pick up some antibiotics & Cialis for a friend. They always seem to have a deal going if you buy a gazillion pills you get half a gazillion free. Might be okay if you could combine resources with a few buddies but it doesn't make any sense for me. The cost of the C is higher than it was in Cartagena so I hold off on my own supply & will pick some up on my Medellin trip later in the year if the need is there.
I call Jennifer & we're on for 7. She'll meet me in the bar at the Sportsmens Lodge. Gotta change rooms but wind up with a small suite in the new wing which is much better than my original room. Lunch at the News Cafe & a little more work before my 7 O'Clock date.
Meet up with Jimmy from DC & Alberto, a retired semiconductor engineer who's now an expat in San Jose a few blocks from the Sportsmens Lodge. Both great guys. Jimmy's got a cutie lined up to spend the night & then head off to Jaco Beach with him for two nights. Alberto's just drinking, checking out the gals & BSing with us. He'll ultimately cave to the eye candy & take one home...
Jennifer shows up at 7 looking hot. I make the introductions & Jimmy wants her number for when he gets back from Jaco Beach. I tell you there's no honor among *****mongers. She asks my permission (I'm flattered) & I tell her what a good guy Jimmy is. Okay, I lie just a bit. Jimmy's now in a good mood & buys a few rounds of drinks. His gal shows up - I forget her name but she had a t-shirt on that said "Brown Sugar". Next thing you know we've screwed Jimmy out of several more rounds & it's 9 O'Clock. Maybe it was Alberto & me asking Jimmy for just one more round & Jennifer hollering "Go, Jimmy, Go!". Whatever it was, the combination worked and drinks were on Jimmy.
A little too late to head to JR's Ribs like we had planned. I've got an early flight & Jennifer would like to leave by midnight if possible. I recommend to Jennifer that she start hanging out at the Lodge - I think her age (31), looks & great English skills will make her more money than she's currently making. I know her budget is strained & she's a great little gal - hard working, good sense of humor and just a lot of fun to be with. Seems most of the gals that hang around the lodge are the young variety that really just don't do it for me. We have dinner at the Lodge (okay but not spectacular) and another drink (I pay for this one). I can't stand it any longer & we head back to the room.
Jennifer takes a shower. I grab some photos of her while she's under the water & can't complain. She hams it up a little & poses for me. Off to the bed. She did things to me I had never have done before. Probably the best sexual experience of my life, bar none. The chemistry was there, the huge titties were there, there were no inhibitions (none!) and for some odd reason she seemed infatuated with me. We start with lots of DFK & playing. On to DATY for finish #1. She takes charge & more DFK, licking my entire body, ball sucking, bbbj, "...but don't come because I want you inside of me." I say okay & next thing you know it's CG time sin condon again. I do my best & don't finish while she's riding high. She loved having her nipples pinched & boobs squeezed. She collapses. I love watching her come. She's not a real screamer but she's not quiet either.
I politely say I really wanted to finish in her mouth this time. Next thing I know the all-over kissing & tonguing and sucking is on again. A finish with CIM and swallow. I'm impressed. She notes she has to go wash her new moustache off then smiles for me. An image that will never leave my mind. I'm now too exhausted to move.
It's nearly midnight. She wants nothing but cab fare. I've grown to really like this gal & my mind is trying to figure out how & when I'll get back here. We agree next time I come she'll take some days off. She's adamant that next time she wants to sleep with me. I give her the crappy little soaps from the bathroom & she's happy. I give her a box of cookies I didn't eat for her daughter & she lights up like a Christmas tree. I then give her some money. If I said how much (and it really wasn't much) I'd take a beating on this forum from those who value the freebie more than the gal. Well, these were freebies & I decided to help a friend out with her bills before I left the country. So there. I couldn't believe it, she took the money, looked at me & started crying. Giving is better than receiving.
Gotta get back here sooner rather than later.
A couple of pics. I fuzzed out her face out of respect for her.
If anybody's interested & promises to treat her right, PM me for contact info. Gotta have your word you'll treat her right, though.
/Dan D.
Regulr Travlr
01-17-07, 02:10
Nice job with Jennifer Dan. She really got into to you. You may have helped to turn my impression of CR around. Although the room at Sportsmens certainly won't do it!
Dan D Dick
01-17-07, 03:21
....the room at Sportsmens certainly won't do it!I think that's the biggest issue with the Sportsmens Lodge. It was my first time there. I made my reservations in October. My first room (5 out of 6 nights) had a crappy P. O. S. Couch with the foam showing and the trim laying on the floor. Total lighting was probably less than 10 footcandles (no joke). Less than a dimly lit parking lot at night. I had to leave the bathroom light (and fan) on 100% of the time just to see, even with the blinds open. There was essentially zero soundproofing. And the morning light was enough to wake you but not read by.
My second room Le Rey (? ) was just the opposite. Newer furniture, plenty of lighting, nice bathroom with vanity & large shower with tub. It had a second, useless room that had the minibar & a microwave. It also had a small private courtyard with chairs & tables. It was just past the glass doors into the new section. The glass doors that seperated the old & new sections provided pretty good sound attenuation. Plus there was an ice machine nearby (that I never knew about until I moved). The only downside to the room was the lock on the door. It's the cheap-ass push-button type & if you don't remember to push the button your door will be unlocked. Like Jimmy's when he & Brown Sugar retired. I waited ten minutes, hollered & opened ther door to scare the crap out of them. I had a good time with it but I can't speak for his opinion.
The bar area & especially the large screen TV on game nights was the big draw. Good people having a good time. The bartenders, especially Austa (sp) at night were simply great. The drink prices were fair to a little high (the Jaeger shots in Red Bull were $8 each, Imperial beer was about $2).
Overall the guys were great to meet & BS with. Alberto was a ball with his great laugh & local insight. To me the majority of the girls were too young but I'm sure most of the guys would take exception to my opinion on that.
I had my reservations for nearly 3 months & still had to move. I heard several guys bitching about having to move 2 & 3 times. Other guys were bitching about having to share a bathroom (! ) in the old section. I would suspect every one of the old section rooms has a noise problem. Saw a couple check out because they weren't happy with their rooms.
Bottom line: I'the go back in a heartbeat ***IF*** I was guaranteed a new wing suite or at least a new wing room 100% of the time.
As to the girls, I struck gold. With my limited experience my guess is the DR & Key Largo girls are mechanical gold diggers for the most part. On the other hand, I had good luck at the massage parlors & was happy with BBBJ 2 out of 3 times. Observation: the gals at the massage parlors. Like Jennifer. Are down-on-their luck gals trying to pay their bills. Their bills are high to them but very, very low by our standards. Those gals understand sex, know what men want and would probably all dream of a ticket to the promised land.
If I were to go back & not have a winner like Jennifer to hook up with, I'the focus on the cheaper massage parlors in the early afternoon & find one or more gals I liked & ask them to dinner. I fell into it but the formula proved almost perfect. I would probably only go to the DR & Key Largo to troll & look at the eye candy. Just for sport. I might go to the Tico bars again, because it wasn't pretentious, it was just fun. But it could get pricey.
Overall my impression this week of SJ went from strongly negative to solidly positive. My impresion of the Sportsmens Lodge went from strongly negative to strongly positive given the caveats. With the only option being the old wing I'the stay elsewhere. In fact, on the next to last day I stopped and asked Johanna if I was supposed to move. She said yes but the other room wasn't cleaned so I had to pack up & store my stuff behind their counter. I said wtf? & she said checkout time was noon & I had to be out of the room by then. Needless to say we clashed a bit. I simply said no problem, if there's not a room for me to move into I'll find another hotel. 20 minutes later & I was in the other suite. Otherwise I'the have been at the Presidente or DR.
In light of finding Jennifer I've got to find another reason to tell the wife why it's time for me to get away for a week.
I thoroughly enjoyed your report of yesterday. I personally really like the Sportsmens, however, I too have spent nights in Felicidad. It is a nice big room but the bathroom is smaller than on a rowboat! The other thing, the security guards and gardeners all hang-out right outside your window, during the day and at night. So, if your lady friend is too much of a screamer then you are giving a free show to the workers. Maybe some girls enjoy this.
Great Report!
I have been thinking about a short trip to SJ. I have a simlar age problem to yours and I do like my comfort. I understand that most of the 4 or 5 star hotels are not near the "gultch" and are not GF. SO I guess I owuld have to put up with Sportsmans for a few days.
Thanks again for shining a bright and truthful light on the SJ experience.
'bare
Dan D Dick
01-17-07, 22:22
Great Report!
I have been thinking about a short trip to SJ. I have a simlar age problem to yours and I do like my comfort. I understand that most of the 4 or 5 star hotels are not near the "gultch" and are not GF. SO I guess I owuld have to put up with Sportsmans for a few days.
Thanks again for shining a bright and truthful light on the SJ experience.
'bareI would pick Sportsmens Lodge 1st **IF** I was guaranted a new edition suite. Maybe it's only 2* in the real world but it's adequate, convenient & the bar is really a lot of fun at night. I paid 299, 691. 62 Colones for six nights with one dinner charged to the room (2, 845. 54) and 199. 33 in local calls (mostly by that SOB Jimmy who came over to my room to make his calls). That was with all the taxes and the CRT discount, so overall a pretty good value considering the location. And really. The cost of the local calls is dirt cheap so who cares?
If you want the best go with the Marriott, no question. I paid $130 in October but it looks like it's about $180 in the high season. I was upgraded to a full suite & got essentially free breakfast, snacks & dinner plus all the sodas I wanted. It is definitely GF, just check her in. The girls will get all the courtesies your wife would get. They have a nice pool and very good grounds. Downside is it's a $15 or so cab ride into town & back (each way). If you're going to hook up with a single gal it's probably the best way to go. If you want to cruise the Gulch it's probably the worst way to go. There is a free shuttle to the airport when you're ready to leave, though.
Most likely I'll shoot for the Lodge again next time & use the Marriott as a fall-back.comparing the two is absoultely apples & oranges but the merits of each is as strong as are the defecits.
/Dan D.
(seems there is always a lot of stuff written on this forum but never what I really want to know.....)
When in San Jose, I generally stay at the Hotel Amon Plaza. It is a girl friendly 4 star hotel that is only about 5 blocks from the Hotel Del Rey. Because it is in the Barrio Amon, it is in quiet neighborhood. Here are some pictures of the place.
In addition, they have a nice restaurant that offers a typical tico buffet breakfast every morning, and the staff is bilingual.
http://www.hotelamonplaza.com/photo_gallery.php
Hey y'all. Gotta question about logistics. Plan to book El Presidente, catch butterflies for a few days then be on a Continental flight outa SJO at 3:55pm.
Question is, how much time to allow for trip back to airport? When do I have to leave the hotel? Any other advice?
TIA love this forum.
Johnny Sax
01-18-07, 04:30
Thanks for the info. Sounds like at least some of the rooms downright SUCK.
And people complain about the Morazan?! For $40, it sounds much better than the much higher priced SL (at least some of the rooms, as explained).
I have not stayed at the SL but here is my opinion based on one night of hanging out there. Maybe that does not entitle me to an opinion, but here it is, anyway.
The lobby is super fancy, very nice, as is the bar. The waitress was really good, and I can see how it might be a cool place to hang out if you're a "sportsman", wanting to hang with fellow sportsmen at the bar, watching football etc..
However, I did not care for it the night I was there. I felt it was entirely too "clique-y", that if you weren't part of the group of guys staying there, you were not easily accepted into the clique. Also, I'm not sure I would really have WANTED to have been included in the clique of guys the night I was there.
Also, the selection of women downright sucked. Basically there was only one who was available and she was about a 6. The other 2-3 girls were okay, nothing special, and were being taken up by the clique of guys sitting together at the tables.
I will admit that the guys who were part of the clique seemed to be having a great time together, and with the girls!
However, that is not my scene, I prefer to hang with just one or 2 other guys and then make stops at the Del Rey, Idem, Key Largo, and maybe a few other places...
Just my 2 cents. I doubt I will ever stay at the SL, especially after reading the recent report below, hearing time and time again that it's very noisy there, and then my own - limited - experience there.
Granted, I'm not much into sports or fishing, either. What I'm there for is mongering.
Johnny Sax
01-18-07, 04:44
i'm beginning to think i prefer the new fantasy type experience to the trolling at the blue marlin or key largo experience. it's cheaper, i don't have breath other people's second hand smoke, we both know it's all about the customer so i can enjoy the massage & not feel compelled to try to satisfy her. call me old fashioned, but that's a hard habit to break. and i'm certainly much better off without the booze. now don't get me wrong, there's a lot to be said for the window shopping and flirting (i'm flirting with the gals, they're flirting with my wallet) & i'll likely continue that exercise as well.
i know what you mean. i like to flirt and watch at the bm and kl, and sometimes go with a girl there if things work out right (if i can get a great price and the girl has a great attitude; hard to find, but i've done it many times). but it's so nice to get the massage at zona blue or new fantasy, know you will get your full hour, know the girl's job is to satisfy you, pretty much know she's not going to steal from you, and just generally know you are going to have a great time for a great price. zb is my favorite place for this reason.
somewhere in your report you mentioned the girl turning off the light for the bj. that is a pet peeve of mine: often the girls want to turn out the lights for sex and i have to insist on leaving it on. usually we compromise with the bathroom light on and the door open, something like that. no way i'm paying for sex with a beautiful girl and not be able to look at her! hell, if i'm not going to see her, i may as well pay half the price for an ugly chick!
Dan D Dick,
Great report! I was at the Sportsmen's when I was in SJ for 5 days last April. I stayed in the Presidential Suite, which I think is right across the hall from the room you had. It was huge, however, if somewhat on the drab side. It went all the way from the street side to the lobby or atrium side. The huge living room was largely wasted space, since I made very little use of it. The bed was huge--king sized--and comfortable, and the bedroom was of adequate size. I was surprised to hear about your bathroom, because the bathroom in the Presidential was enormous. The lighting was not good, but nowhere near as bad as your experience.
You are absolutely right about the noise level. The walls are like paper, and since the bedroom is on the lobby side, every sound in the lobby can be heard--every footstep, every cough, etc. And the hotel is also noisy from drunken mongers whooping and guffawing in the bar until midnight, when it abrubtly stops. This isn't a problem if you don't plan to go to bed early. I spent only one sleepless night there, because the footsteps and conversations of the night staff kept me awake. So I think if I stay there again I would opt for the new section.
By far the primary advantage of the Sportsmen's, however, are the chicas hanging around the bar. I mean, what more could you ask? If the main reason for your trip is mongering, then you could literally stay there and never leave until it's time to go to the airport (although I wouldn't recommend it). But everything you need is there: lodging, food, booze, and pussy. Moreover, I found that the chicas who hang around the Lodge are uniformly a cut above chicas you would find elsewhere, not only regarding looks but especially regarding attitude as well. This is a welcome contrast to a place like the Del Rey. Word is that all the girls are personally screened by the management before they are allowed to hang at the bar. I asked a couple of the girls I hooked up with about this, and they both verified that it was true.
I'm posting a photo of 3 chicas who were in the lobby when I was there. I ended up doing 2 of the 3 (all but the one on the left), all quite enjoyable experiences, and I would do them again in a heartbeat. I already posted photos of others in the Photo Gallery, but the forum won't let you post photos twice. But please, don't ever say that the girls at the Lodge aren't attractive!
I'll probably be back in SJ in June or July for a long mongering weekend. It's a good place to go just to monger, and I plan to stay at the Lodge.
Lorenzo
Good to see my friend Rachel. And to think we shared that same wonderful experience.
The girl on the left in Lorenzo's photo is named Raquel and she is from a little town called Telica in Nicaragua (near León). I am guessing this is a bit older photo because when I first met Raquel maybe a year ago she was tiny like in the photo, but when I last "did" her a month ago she had put on a bit of weight. However …… she is really quite good in bed. Loves DATY, bbbj, moans just the right amount, DFK and likes to cuddle afterwards. I have been with her several times and she really is quite excellent. She usually is one of the first girls to show up at the Sportsmens every day. She comes in around mid-day and will hang out in the lounge area all afternoon and into the evening.
The girls of Zona Blue. I stay at Hotel Zona Blue for 5 days/4 nights and it was great. Great rooms to stay in, with all the girls at your finger tips at any time! I did not have a bad expertise the whole time I stay at ZB with any of the girls. It was actually a better time then visiting the place during the day, when I stay at other places. The girls know you are staying there so there is a good chance that you take them up to your room once or twice during your stay, so they treat you great! Plus the other great thing is you have a private Sauna and a Stream room in your room up stair and a King size bed to play in, instead of the small bed in the rooms down stairs. It is worth the stay!
Plus the two bartenders down stairs are great, G and Daisy! You will get to know them and the will give you some great information on the girls.
Now for some information on the great girls!
Naomi - She was my favorite! She is a PSE and GFE wrap up into one package. She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ, any position and then some; she is just good all around fun. She is always happy and smiling. Also she is very Bi, and love to go up to the room with other girls and love to have her picture taking. She also has some toys to play with if you ask. Actually, she ask me the first time up to the room, first thing do you want to take pictures. I left my camera at home, so no pictures. Treat her great and she will to you also; I hope she is around for a while. I did the most session with her and every time they got better! Picture # 5458
Pamela - There is only one thing to say about her is she a TRUE Nymph! Non-stop sex machine! I truly think if you could handle it, she could have sex 24 hour and still be going like the energizer rabbit. She love to play with toys and is very Bi! She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ, 69, sitting on her face or any girl that is available at the time! She will have more orgasms then any other girls in the place and not fake ones. She like taking pictures also and want to do some video too. Sex machine!!! Picture # 4488
Lorena – She is Pamela sister. She is hot looking and gives a great session! Not a Nymph like her sister, but is great in bed. More of a GFE than a PSE session. DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. She is also Bi, but ever could get her and her sister together at the same time. Picture # 5227
Marcella – Great all around sex. She is Bi and enjoys time with the other girls, but she needs to be with more of an outgoing girl to get her going. Not the best kissers in the place and you have to work at a BBBJ with her. You can have a great time with her. Picture #5474
Karen – A great girl! Love sex and playing with her self. She is into DFK, DATY, BBBJ and multiple positions. She loves it Doggie style! She is also Bi and is great with Naomi and/or Pamela. She is also into pictures and wants more picture of herself on CRT, so guys help her out. Picture #5424
Andrea – She is the type of girl that would be a great wife! She is great looking and I mean hot! She is into a true GFE type session! DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. The only problem with her is she is always busy. This is one of the girls that guys are making reservation for, because she is very available. No Pictures
Charro – Great girl always smiling. She gives a GFE type session, DFK, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. She is also Bi and is great with Naomi. She gives probably the best BBBJ I had in the place and loves every drop. She has a hot body on her. Picture # 5078
Letticia – She is a cross between a PSE and GFE session. She has a very hot body and knows how to use it. DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and multiple positions. Loves it doggy style. She is also Bi and is great with another girl. Is can great a little wild, she is not shy. Picture # 5301
I did connect with many of the other girls also, good session but more of an average type of session. Nothing to report about, just good sessions.
Best pairs of girls together in order, Naomi/Pamela, Karen/Pamela and Naomi/Charro.
Best Show Pamela by herself or with others.
I also did a session with Naomi/Pamela/Karen at one time. It was great! Pamela working one girl and me working on the other and when we switch and switch. It was wild, if you want to party like a rock star you have to try it once.
The other thing everyday I was there, Eddie had new girls starting. One day alone there were 4 new girls that started. Tuesday, I counted 24 girls in the bar area working and I know there were more in rooms at the time. There was a good selection of girls at Zona Blue on this trip!
Blue Marlin
My 5 days in San Jose, all I can say is there are a LOT of GUYS there and there is a shortage of girls at the BM at night. I would say there is 2 to 3 guys for every girl. So the girls are trying to cash in, most of them will not move off of $100 and most of them are not looking for the all nighter either. They are trying to cash in on the current Gold mine. It is how many times can I get the guy to the room and finish as fast as possible, so I can get to the bar again and do it again.
Pirate Club
Pirate Club is a great place! Most of the best looking clubs I have been in Costa Rica. It is not a large place, but well layout. The have rooms to take the girl too for some fun. The only problem that I saw was the girls. Me and my friend were the only people in the place and there were only 4 girls working and they were all 5 and 6. The other thing was great was they were all wearing informs. Great club, but they just need to get some girls and the place will be pack!
Hotel Zona Blue
I am staying at Hotel Zona Blue, today is my 2nd to the last day of a 5 day trip. All I have to say is staying at this place is awesome!!! If you are thinking about staying here, I would not think any more and make the reservation.
The cost is higher then most place in town, yes, but the quality of the rooms and the service you get is great. I hear so many people trying to save a dime when they come to Costa Rica, they miss allot of the fun trying to save the money.
If you are a person like me and like the M.P. while you are in town the cost of the room gets cheaper. If you do the math. The rooms at Zona Blue are $195.00 a night, which is high, but when you stay here the girls are $20.00 a hour not $50.00. So, if you would spend 2 to 4 hours at a MP each day while staying in town, now you would have saved $60 to $120 a day by staying at Hotel Zona Blue, because of the discount rates on the girls.
The rooms them self are very nice and very clean. The rooms are new, I think they have only been open for 6 months now. The rooms are larger then most of the rooms you would get San Jose, plus they have 32" TV with DVD players, wireless internet, free U.S. Phone calls, dry and a steam Sauna in each room, large bathrooms and the list go on. Also, some of the rooms have spare bedrooms, so you can even save some money and have a friend share the room with you. I do know there is a additonal cost for a second person, but not much. The room are also quiet, you can not hear a thing downstairs.
Now for the girls with you staying upstairs; I have found you get a lot better service because you are staying here and if they take care of you, you may connect with her more then once during your stay. The other great thing is you bring the girl up to your room, you have a King size bed, not the small Massage table/bed that is in the MP rooms at Zona Blue, so the session is a lot more fun! A large bed for more fun to be had! One of the other things I love, is the house girl will fix up your room for you at anytime. So you have a girl up to your room and when you are done and want it clean up again, she is right there doing it. So you ever of the shortage on the towels or the mess up bed all day, it is great!
After hours you can also bring girls back for other place to stay with you.
Eddie and his staff is great, they will take care of all your needs. The only thing negtive that I see about the place, there is only 4 rooms and sooner or later, making reservations will be hard, once people find out about the place!
Kumar
Went to the Kamur and I can tell you one things is the club has changed a lot in the last year! The web site is very out dated; there was not one of the girls from the web site working there. The talent has gone down hill. I would put them all 5 to 7’s, no super star at all there! They have relayed out the club, no pool tables, big stage, but the VIP is around a bigger part of the stage. The other is there is a Costa Rica guys there now. Kumar was one of my favorite strip clubs in CR, but it is off the list now!
The pictures are on CRT, not here.
Dan D Dick
01-19-07, 16:23
First off, Lobo, pay the damn money so you support the forum & can accept PMs. But since your question may help others, here's what I tried to send you:
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I left the Lodge 2 hours & 10 minutes before departure & had plenty of time.
It's 20 - 30 minutes to the airport & the airport was really pretty efficecient.
When you get to the terminal, walk in & turn left. Pay your airport departure tax BEFORE going to the counter ($26US in USD or Colones). Then fill it out. Then go to the counter.
Piece of cake if you do it in that order.
/Dan D.
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Yes, Raquel was still there & seemed happy. Too young for my aged body unless I'm in a particulary horny mood. If the gals have to be screened, please help out my friend Jennifer if she needs it. I'd love to see her hang out at the Lodge & I think she'll appeal to the older set like she did to me.
With regards to the cliques - I think you didn't give it enough time. Yes, you're absolutely right, HOWEVER - I didn't know a single person when I arrived. I struck up a pretty good friendship with two of the guys (Jimmy & Alberto) & will likely cross paths with each again. I was welcomed into several other groups very readily (their initiative) but we didn't have a lot in common and we stayed friendly but I didn't impose. Just like chasing women, it's important to initiate conversations with several & suddenly you'll come across a great guy or group of guys that you have something in common with.
I'm old & gray & don't give a crap about anything "macho". I don't care about whether a gal's a "5" or a "10". Maybe that comes with age, maybe attitude. But I know I'm not alone & I had no problems hooking up with the gals or making friends with a couple of guys & just having fun. And I can assure you I'm not a social creature - my wife says I'm very anti-social.
/Dan D.
ThunderPants
01-19-07, 21:43
The girl on te left is Raqel she is great. For a truly great experience get her to bring her friend Nicole who only works part time but has the some of the best hooters ever. Racquel will also do doubles with her and she will only do doubles with a very few girls. Racquel is also helpful in giving advice about other girls, what the do and do not do, are they clock watchers or what they will and will not do Racquel will ppreiate any gifts and does a great dildo show.
Hey, I enjoyed your report on the Zona Blue. You must keep notes as I forget the girls names 2 mins after she tells me. The reason I am writing is about what you said about the Blue Marlin. You said the guys out number the girls 2 to 1 and 3 to 1. In my 6 trips I have never seen anything near those type of numbers. Maybe the other way around girls 2 to 1 over the guys. Please clear this up. And if your facts are correct can you give me the dates you were there. I am going on March 15th and I don't need to here about guys out numbering the girls. You didn't write about the Key Largo, did you go. Sounds like you spent alot of time at the zona.
Thanks,
Chilimike
Nice ZB report. Looks like you either did not sample Michelle, or did not enjoy. She is one of my favorites; a great session, more GFE than PSE, but to my liking. Sharron (it sounds like Charro) is the best kisser I have had in a long time. Great oral, her and Michelle were great together. I have been going to ZB for three years; what a great place.
Toad Tamer
01-20-07, 03:56
Your gonna see a decrease in chicas during and after the holidays. They go home to la familia. As far as cliques go, yes there are a number of regular americans who live in CR and use the SL as their stomping grounds. Like any gathering hole newcommers stick out like a sore thumb. When you first arrive you still have your big city face on. Loosen up and go with the flow.
Personally, I don't like to hang with the cliques or a wing man. I feel the chicas are more friendly and open when they see you solo. I plan my days with "out of the gulch" actvities and most of the time I am to tired to shoot the chit with the cliques. A quick session then hit the hay to wake up for the next day van pickup for the next activity.
Bill and all the staff make me feel right at home at the SL. Yes, the courtyard rooms are noisy. Try the new wing upstairs. The only thing you can here is the clink clanging of chicas heels going up the steps. You do have to share a bathroom in one wing. This is why those rooms are cheaper. I'm headed back for spring break. Booked already at the SL. I got a great tix price of $350 r/t from LAX. (before taxes)
PURA VIDA!!
Thanks to the members who sent me a pvt. Message about the girls at the bm. Please Jim Hart reread your post. And clear up your mis information message you posted. You seem to have some great info on the other places you went. But for the Delray being 3 guys to every girl the price would be 200.00 or even higher. And most of us would find much better places.
Dan D Dick
01-20-07, 15:25
Pay the damn fee so you can support the forum & receive PMs.
Here's what I tried to send you:
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That's the difference between you young guys & us old and gray types. I been there, done that. Been to nearly 70 countries, seen most everything, done a lot. Could care less about fishing (had my own offshore boat for 10 years) or the ATV rides (hunted for years) or the volcanoes (seen 'em) or the rain forests (been there).
With a high-stress job I like to sit back, relax, have some beer, shoot the shit & PLAY. But I certainly understand your philosophy & was there myself 20 years ago.
It's nice that there's room for us all, isn't it?
Good luck!
/Dan D.
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Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.
Member #2666
01-21-07, 07:02
What happened
Closed on Saturday night
Toad Tamer
01-21-07, 19:07
Exact reason why I don't pay the fee. Don't need PM's. Too many stupid ya hoo's on this site, ready to flame you over nothing. Gotta whole lot of buddies on another site that has better net etiquette.
Member #2041
01-22-07, 20:17
Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.
I can't begin to tell you how many mongers have been shot down trying to score the bartenders at the Del Rey. They are in play only if you are handsome, rich, talk a good game in Spanish, and could pull a fine looking lady in real life. But then, why would you be in the Del Rey?
JT Wildman
01-23-07, 14:27
There were quite a few fellow mongers from this forum that I met while spending 5 days and nights at The Del Rey. Each time I go Edgar upgrades me to a more peaceful room. I guess you gotta pay your dues to finally get to the suites on the 6th floor. Not one day went by that creating new friendships didn't happen. So to all who I met, it was a blast.
Now on to the good stuff. The BM was plenty packed with 100 girls minimum every night I that I decided to wander downstairs after recovering from my prior session. 75% were 7-9's and contrary to Mr. Hart's analysis there was plenty for every guy in the place. I seem to have more fun with the 7's instead of the 9's or 10's cause I think they know they have to work harder and with sincere enthusiasm to get a positive reputation. They are also more apt to negotiate down from the standard request of $100 which, as we all decided, I will not and did not pay. If I paid $100 I received 2 1/2 hours of aggressive activity. Attached pics are for your viewing pleasure. Gia was from the BM and was easily down with BBBJ and a true GFE. I had so much fun with her that I was stalked for 3 days by her. Be careful not to get her to orgasm as I did or else you'll be trapped like a rat unless you venture off to a different location.
So I did. To the ZB and hooked up with Andrea. Jim Hart is right. She is one you would marry. Oh yes, I did get a pic but she only allowed me to take it waste up. Rock hard body and everything we go there for. She is cute as you can see below.
Viviana is also at the BM. She was just OK and also quite territorial after a date. One other thing I learned that I don't see much chatter about. In the remote chance that ya'll get interupted by Whiskey Dick there is a place around 30th and 4th (or real close to these streets-just ask a taxi driver) called Pharmacia Familiare that doles out generic (in the packages) magic blue pills for a mere $1. 17 each at 50 mg and double the price for 100mg. Quite the bargain and as effective as the real deal that will cost $10 bucks each. After snacking on these every date will be your stalker. Bon appetit!
This is my first time attempting to attach pics so if I fail I will let ya'll know so I can get your help. Here goes.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I think you have chance. But it will require some work you might not want to put in. I did get Karla # and have talked to her but did not do the deed.
I can't begin to tell you how many mongers have been shot down trying to score the bartenders at the Del Rey. They are in play only if you are handsome, rich, talk a good game in Spanish, and could pull a fine looking lady in real life. But then, why would you be in the Del Rey?
Member #2964
01-27-07, 00:32
T-Man you ruined my buddies marrage. Hes off to Nicaragua for 3 days and gia (his Favorit) is out on the town. She has a full time GFthat she lives with. Don't suppose you had her pick out another for a 3-way? LOL From what I"m told Gia is up / down for any and everything. You can see her and her GF out in the Cultural park on Central Ave walking hand in hand on Sundays.
Pay the damn fee so you can support the forum & receive PMs.Dan D,
I don't know why you couldn't send me a PM as I am paid up! and do support the forum, even though I have not been all that active. Maybe I have neglected some step to enable PMs?
Anyway, I appreciate your help w/my mundane question, thanks.
Lobo,
Check what it says under your name by each of your posts - Regular Member. Another way you can easily tell is if you can't view photos, then you don't have senior member status and can't access private messaging either. If you've paid your dues then you need to check with the Admin why your membership hasn't been upgraded
Another possibility might be if you only recently signed up and the Admin hasn't processed your application yet or "if you recently used the User Control Panel to change your password or email address, then your account will be temporarily inactive UNTIL you confirm your modifications by responding to the confirmation email send by the Forum's software program to verify your changes. "
Dodger Bulldog
01-27-07, 19:45
Gia was from the BM and was easily down with BBBJ and a true GFE. I had so much fun with her that I was stalked for 3 days by her. Be careful not to get her to orgasm as I did or else you'll be trapped like a ratHey T Man,
I posted about Gia over a year ago (I called her Gio). http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=399563&postcount=502
I agree with you that she was a fabulous GFE! She had a great attitude and was killer in bed. Our whole time together was full of laughter and fun.
I join with you in giving her my highest recommendation!
DB
Prolijo: now I'm confused. I have been a member for maybe a year now, and I can view photos. I just figured "senior member" status was reserved for those who have posted more than a few times. I've asked Jackson so I hope this will be resolved. I would like to be able to receive PMs.
Tour Grinder 7
01-28-07, 11:42
Yes Gio is great I have been with her many, many times in the past few years. She is also Bi and likes to party. On my last visit I was at the Pres. Room 508 and she wanted to call 2 of her friends to join us. Had to call and wake my wingman to check the one in (he still thanks me). And the other one we meet her at the Casino and brought her up. Fun, Fun, . Fun times. Treat her well. And you will be rewarded! One word of caution. Never give your e-mail info to any of these Chicas. If you do the RFM will never stop. Remember we pay and lay as many as possible, and they lay and play the same way. Peace.
TG7
JT Wildman
01-28-07, 14:16
Dodger,
Gia looked much fresher for you. I guess a full year of getting violated has made her look a little ragged although after thinking about it the pics I took were after a 2 hour session which included me slappin' my pecker in her face for a while. I agree that she was probably the most fun out of all the girls I mounted on that last visit to the Del Rey. Warning to all though, she does get quite possessive and had a hard time understanding the concept of "I paid you to leave".
Last time I went down to the CR (November), in addition to the numerous chicas roaming around the Del Rey and Key Largo, there were a number of female bartenders that caught my eye.
What's the deal with bartenders? Are they in play to?
Anyone have any experience with any of them?
I'll be down in February and looking to keep my options open.Darunee,
The bartenders are just like any other girls in the US, as far as picking them up. I have been dating a BM bartender for about 5 months, and i can tell you they are a lot of work, just like all women. I know about 50% of the bartenders on a personal basis (because of my novia), and most are really nice. But you have to understand that they see gringos in the BM as "cock hounds". If you really want to have a relationship with one of them, you better have game.
Just seeking humble advice -
Some time opened up (5 nights) and trying to decide between SJO and Bogota.
I've been to SJO once and sort of liked the Del Rey scene, I know a lot of board-members don't, however I do. I prefer a city where I can duck in for a short time in the afternoon, and then have my (easy) pick from pros in the evening while drinking a few beers and chilling out. Shows are always a plus as well.
I was hot for Bogota (a new place for me) but then read on the board that it's quite difficult to get bbbj there - which put me off a bit.
I also quite like the seedy scene - a brothel along the lines of Rio's Villa Mimosa or a few in Asia would be perfect, but I gather neither of these cities offer exactly that.
GFE is not required as I have one at home. The flight times and cost are about the same.
The problem is I have to decide today, and buy the ticket - so any advice appreciated. I'll be more than happy to post the trip report.
Thanks
ThunderPants
02-06-07, 23:22
There are brothels for every taste and pocketbook in San Jose.
Zona Blue down to 747, CHA CHA, Jet Set and calle 6 prices start at less than 6,000 colones and go up to 25,000 plus in rooms with amenties and places where you guess what is behind the curtain.
Jet Set is 6,00 colones girls wash in a janitor closet with a sink and invite you to use it after while some massage parlors have saunas and steam rooms for the enjoyment of both you and the chica
The line up at oasis almost always has something for everybody and the cost is about $20 US.
Other places in the Paseo Colon area such as Josephines have 2 for $30 or my favorite 2 guys and 2 girls in one bed for $40.
My experience in Bogota was more expensive.
Just seeking humble advice -
Some time opened up (5 nights) and trying to decide between SJO and Bogota.
I've been to SJO once and sort of liked the Del Rey scene, I know a lot of board-members don't, however I do. I prefer a city where I can duck in for a short time in the afternoon, and then have my (easy) pick from pros in the evening while drinking a few beers and chilling out. Shows are always a plus as well.
I was hot for Bogota (a new place for me) but then read on the board that it's quite difficult to get bbbj there - which put me off a bit.
I also quite like the seedy scene - a brothel along the lines of Rio's Villa Mimosa or a few in Asia would be perfect, but I gather neither of these cities offer exactly that.
GFE is not required as I have one at home. The flight times and cost are about the same.
The problem is I have to decide today, and buy the ticket - so any advice appreciated. I'll be more than happy to post the trip report.
ThanksFlight times are the same? Go C, S.A.
Dan D Dick
02-08-07, 02:38
I'll be heading back to SJO in a few weeks & will likely take my friend shopping at the San Pedro Mall. I understand there's an adult toy store there. What major shop is it next to & is the selection nearly as good as most US shops of similar tenor?
Thanks.
/Dan D.
[please humor me & stifle the rtff comments]
HoleRanger
02-08-07, 07:25
Once you come in the main entrance, take the corridor to your right, continue walking you will cross an intersection. Continue. Pass Tommy Hillfiger. The corridor dead ends at the shop. You have the option to turn left but don't. Once inside, make a left turn and head to the back through the curtains, you have arrived at "Paradise". The staff will make suggestions on what's hot and what's not. I picked up a mini 5 inch vibrator that the chicas just love, the salesperson suggested. I asked if she could demo it for me, she declined. At least this time. This place seems to always be packed with women too. Enjoy!
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