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[Member #4450]

I have to admitted I am pissed off at this AB girl.

I just find out she blocked me on whatsapp too. I called her for the last time to leave a message for her. I just told her she just lost $500 I was going to expend with her and a nice watch and I wasn't interested in her anymore and she can go to F. K herself what she does better!

You guys told me right I learned the hard way luckily I didn't lose any money I almost send her $100 but you guys helped a fellow monger in the right time.

Thanks again!

[Phordphan]

I have to admitted I am pissed off at this AB girl.

I just find out she blocked me on whatsapp too. I called her for the last time to leave a message for her. I just told her she just lost $500 I was going to expend with her and a nice watch and I wasn't interested in her anymore and she can go to F. K herself what she does better!

You guys told me right I learned the hard way luckily I didn't lose any money I almost send her $100 but you guys helped a fellow monger in the right time.

Thanks again!Bat-shit crazy. You need a woman like this like you need herpes.

Let's look at this objectively, now that it's over. Sending a few $$, to someone you've known more than a couple of times, may be a worthwhile investment, or a cheap lesson. But chasing after a BG, offering expensive presents, mooning around like a love-struck puppy, will NEVER work with these women. If you do, you will have joined the group known as PLMs. The girls all know the type, many have several, none of them are respected. For your own sanity and self-respect, you NEVER want to be a working girl's doormat. Did I mention never?

Calling and telling her what she missed does little good. As far as she's concerned, it's a lie, and all of her clientele are a bunch of liars, anyway.

While we're on the subject and we're looking at things objectively, a lot of the girls don't want a "boyfriend," but just customers. Did you come on too strong? Bombarding her with messages of undying love, WhatsApp chatter, promises of gifts, etc. , etc. ? If so (and I'm not saying you did), then she may have blocked you, or anybody else who acted that way, simply as a way of telling you to get lost.

In a nutshell, these Mexicanas don't want a co-equal, kinder, gentler, Metrosexual kind of guy. They want a boss. Not an asshole, but somebody who treats them nicely and who wears the pants. Roughly 180 degrees opposite of what the average western gringa wants. In the future, you can send some emergency $$ to a known chica, IF you want to. You can bring A gift, if you like. If she gives you any serious shit, you WALK AWAY. You let her chase you, not the other way around. Trust me on this one. :)

[Jackie888]

Anyone have any experience with Midweek visits (Monday-Wednesday)? HK offers a steep discount on the rooms so I'm guessing it's a Ghost town and the only action is Adelitas, HK, or a meeting with a favorite.

Also, anyone been to La Gloria? The girls there do go upstairs right? The are generally really fat and ugly I didn't dare insult anyone there with that question. And is it me? Or does it seem that they have some ill reputable hombres there?

[ScatManDoo]

I have to admitted I am pissed off at this AB girl.

I just find out she blocked me on whatsapp too. I called her for the last time to leave a message for her. I just told her she just lost $500 I was going to expend with her and a nice watch and I wasn't interested in her anymore and she can go to F. K herself what she does better!

You guys told me right I learned the hard way luckily I didn't lose any money I almost send her $100 but you guys helped a fellow monger in the right time.

Thanks again!If you are really over her, you won't kee her identity a secret.

You will provide her working name and a description of her on this hooker board.

[Member #4450]

Bat-shit crazy. You need a woman like this like you need herpes.

Let's look at this objectively, now that it's over. Sending a few $$, to someone you've known more than a couple of times, may be a worthwhile investment, or a cheap lesson. But chasing after a BG, offering expensive presents, mooning around like a love-struck puppy, will NEVER work with these women. If you do, you will have joined the group known as PLMs. The girls all know the type, many have several, none of them are respected. For your own sanity and self-respect, you NEVER want to be a working girl's doormat. Did I mention never?

Calling and telling her what she missed does little good. As far as she's concerned, it's a lie, and all of her clientele are a bunch of liars, anyway.

While we're on the subject and we're looking at things objectively, a lot of the girls don't want a "boyfriend," but just customers. Did you come on too strong? Bombarding her with messages of undying love, WhatsApp chatter, promises of gifts, etc. , etc. ? If so (and I'm not saying you did), then she may have blocked you, or anybody else who acted that way, simply as a way of telling you to get lost.

In a nutshell, these Mexicanas don't want a co-equal, kinder, gentler, Metrosexual kind of guy. They want a boss. Not an asshole, but somebody who treats them nicely and who wears the pants. Roughly 180 degrees opposite of what the average western gringa wants. In the future, you can send some emergency $$ to a known chica, IF you want to. You can bring A gift, if you like. If she gives you any serious shit, you WALK AWAY. You let her chase you, not the other way around. Trust me on this one. :)Oh boy I can't help it she contacted me again by whatsapp. No gifts for her I know what you mean. I told her I was mad at her for f. Ing around with me and she needs to make up for all the mental trauma and panic attacks she caused I will get even with her A hole :)

[Baxter Slade]

Anyone have any experience with Midweek visits (Monday-Wednesday)? HK offers a steep discount on the rooms so I'm guessing it's a Ghost town and the only action is Adelitas, HK, or a meeting with a favorite.

Also, anyone been to La Gloria? The girls there do go upstairs right? The are generally really fat and ugly I didn't dare insult anyone there with that question. And is it me? Or does it seem that they have some ill reputable hombres there?Yes things do slow down during the weekdays. But that is not a bad thing. AB and HK are to much of a zoo on.

Weekends. As far as Cascadas discounts if you don't want to buy thr VIP card the online.

Coupon to buy a bucket at LC and get a half price room is my favorite.

As far as La Gloria if you are looking for hottie you have come to the wrong place. But if you are looking for a local type bar that offers cheap beer enjoy a $1 slow dance cuddled up to a soft woman. It is one of my favorite hangouts, and yes they do go to the rooms in Hotel Garcia, located upstairs. For about half the price of an HK girl.

[Member #4450]

Anyone have any experience with Midweek visits (Monday-Wednesday)? HK offers a steep discount on the rooms so I'm guessing it's a Ghost town and the only action is Adelitas, HK, or a meeting with a favorite.

Also, anyone been to La Gloria? The girls there do go upstairs right? The are generally really fat and ugly I didn't dare insult anyone there with that question. And is it me? Or does it seem that they have some ill reputable hombres there?I can only talk for AB Monday to Thursday the selection is mediocre not as good as Friday and Weekend. Not a ghost town it gets better after dark.

There are some hot paraditas you just need to do a lot of rubber neck and you'll find one.

[Phordphan]

Anyone have any experience with Midweek visits (Monday-Wednesday)? HK offers a steep discount on the rooms so I'm guessing it's a Ghost town and the only action is Adelitas, HK, or a meeting with a favorite.

Also, anyone been to La Gloria? The girls there do go upstairs right? The are generally really fat and ugly I didn't dare insult anyone there with that question. And is it me? Or does it seem that they have some ill reputable hombres there?Rumor has it that narcos like to hang out there.

Definitely caters more to local tastes and local pocketbooks. Which, IMHO, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Member #4450]

If you are really over her, you won't kee her identity a secret.

You will provide her working name and a description of her on this hooker board.Sorry I'm a fisherman I don't tell my honey hole, everyone has one that's how it is SMD.

[Baxter Slade]

Sorry I'm a fisherman I don't tell my honey hole, everyone has one that's how it is SMD.OK Horney Traveler now I'm starting to WORRY. I do believe you are not over this AB girl. So far after everything that has occurred you should know this is not a girl you want to take the relationship to the next level with. It does seem that her plate is full right now and that could be why she is blowing you off. But be prepared she has your number and I'm sure at some point she will be calling telling you how she misses you. This is not the girl you want to get involved with so when she calls blow her off. Sure many will tell you the last place you should be looking for love is in a hooker bar. But I would tend to agree with Phord who earlier stated don't go into it thinking you will be living happily ever after with a chica you found in a Tijuana bar. BUT you sure can have a hell of an adventure finding a MBGF.

A friend from this board would always give the same advice when it came to any kind of relationship. " The One Who Cares The Most Loses" It is a simple enough phrase and when you first hear it it doesn't sound like much, after all how are you ever going to know how really cares the most. But eventually I figured it out. If you are going to deal with these ladies who the great majority you will find to be lying sharks you are going to have to invent a system of tests to protect yourself, your wallet, and your heart.

Ok so if you are still with me the AB girl has not even made it to the testing stage SHE IS OUT. You are going to have to conduct an extensive search and it won't be easy. OK for the first test, when you are approached and she asks for a drink tell her you are waiting for a friend who is bringing you more money because you are just about out. The majority will flee instantly, they are OUT. If she hangs around and you feel some sort of chemistry find her again later after your money arrives and continue where you left off. If it progresses and you see potential do not take her to the room. That has to come along much later in the relationship. Exchange numbers come down again and again and meet up. But don't become her customer. When you finish hanging with her there are plenty of opportunities for sex with others before you head home.

As the relationship progresses and you end up together for the night after a crazy night of dancing and drinking. You have to give her the opportunity to steal from you. For this test you have to know the exact amount of money in your pockets and take a shower without her or hangout for a bit in the bano. And soon you will know if she can be trusted even a little bit.

My favorite test is the Catch-22. I could send you the $200 you need but then I won't have the money left that I was going to use to come see you. You can't use this one to early in the relationship, because the answer will always be send the money.

So in summing it up while most will tell you the last thing you need in your life is a relationship with a hooker. I will say if you get mixed up with the right woman down there it will end up as a great diversion from the divorce and you will have the time of your life. Just keep your guard up and proceed with caution.

[Member #4450]

OK Horney Traveler now I'm starting to WORRY. I do believe you are not over this AB girl. So far after everything that has occurred you should know this is not a girl you want to take the relationship to the next level with. It does seem that her plate is full right now and that could be why she is blowing you off. But be prepared she has your number and I'm sure at some point she will be calling telling you how she misses you. This is not the girl you want to get involved with so when she calls blow her off. Sure many will tell you the last place you should be looking for love is in a hooker bar. But I would tend to agree with Phord who earlier stated don't go into it thinking you will be living happily ever after with a chica you found in a Tijuana bar. BUT you sure can have a hell of an adventure finding a MBGF.

A friend from this board would always give the same advice when it came to any kind of relationship. " The One Who Cares The Most Loses" It is a simple enough phrase and when you first hear it it doesn't sound like much, after all how are you ever going to know how really cares the most. But eventually I figured it out. If you are going to deal with these ladies who the great majority you will find to be lying sharks you are going to have to invent a system of tests to protect yourself, your wallet, and your heart.

Ok so if you are still with me the AB girl has not even made it to the testing stage SHE IS OUT. You are going to have to conduct an extensive search and it won't be easy. OK for the first test, when you are approached and she asks for a drink tell her you are waiting for a friend who is bringing you more money because you are just about out. The majority will flee instantly, they are OUT. If she hangs around and you feel some sort of chemistry find her again later after your money arrives and continue where you left off. If it progresses and you see potential do not take her to the room. That has to come along much later in the relationship. Exchange numbers come down again and again and meet up. But don't become her customer. When you finish hanging with her there are plenty of opportunities for sex with others before you head home.

As the relationship progresses and you end up together for the night after a crazy night of dancing and drinking. You have to give her the opportunity to steal from you. For this test you have to know the exact amount of money in your pockets and take a shower without her or hangout for a bit in the bano. And soon you will know if she can be trusted even a little bit.

My favorite test is the Catch-22. I could send you the $200 you need but then I won't have the money left that I was going to use to come see you. You can't use this one to early in the relationship, because the answer will always be send the money.

So in summing it up while most will tell you the last thing you need in your life is a relationship with a hooker. I will say if you get mixed up with the right woman down there it will end up as a great diversion from the divorce and you will have the time of your life. Just keep your guard up and proceed with caution.Great advise Hugo and thank you for taking the time. But who Am I kidding I AM NOT OVER THIS GIRL YET. We were supposed to meet today and spend TLN in a nice hotel outside the zona but she wanted me to go to AB I told her I wasn't going to AB and that she needs to get a cab and wait for me at the border, but she is giving me the round around, also her health card has expired she say she needed to renew it. I told her I have a backpack not something you want to be carrying into a bar.

Well, I had everything ready to hit the road today leaving from LA a 3 hour drive but she stop communicating with me so maybe tomorrow. She does this annoying thing of sending a text and turns off the phone and then I reply and she takes like 3 t0 4 hours to reply.

Honestly I don't know what do I had many AB girls before but this one is holding me by the balls LOL!

Should I give her one more chance to met again but my rules? I don't want to take her to the zona hotels I want her for a TLN on a nice hotel I know a few in the area Like the Mansion.

[Member #4450]

For those who been in this forum long you might remember CJ "Country John" he had a relation with a zona chica he can probably guide me in the right direction.

But yes Hugo is right I need to test the waters first. She never ever mentioned anything about money she told me she wanted something serious with me and she likes me a lot blah blah blah.

[Jackie888]

For those who been in this forum long you might remember CJ "Country John" he had a relation with a zona chica he can probably guide me in the right direction.

But yes Hugo is right I need to test the waters first. She never ever mentioned anything about money she told me she wanted something serious with me and she likes me a lot blah blah blah.I believe that he has moved to Rosarito with his new lady.

[Jackie888]

Great advise Hugo and thank you for taking the time. But who Am I kidding I AM NOT OVER THIS GIRL YET. We were supposed to meet today and spend TLN in a nice hotel outside the zona but she wanted me to go to AB I told her I wasn't going to AB and that she needs to get a cab and wait for me at the border, but she is giving me the round around, also her health card has expired she say she needed to renew it. I told her I have a backpack not something you want to be carrying into a bar.

Well, I had everything ready to hit the road today leaving from LA a 3 hour drive but she stop communicating with me so maybe tomorrow. She does this annoying thing of sending a text and turns off the phone and then I reply and she takes like 3 t0 4 hours to reply.

Honestly I don't know what do I had many AB girls before but this one is holding me by the balls LOL!

Should I give her one more chance to met again but my rules? I don't want to take her to the zona hotels I want her for a TLN on a nice hotel I know a few in the area Like the Mansion.The only Zona girl that I had any attachment to several years ago had only 1 condition for me. That when I took her out, it was to a real club far away from the Zona. She also never asked for a dime from me. And she never booted me off of her facebook after we split.

Just giving you something to compare to in order to keep it real. And yeah, I was crazy over her. And she knew it at the time.

[Phordphan]

Great advise Hugo and thank you for taking the time. But who Am I kidding I AM NOT OVER THIS GIRL YET. We were supposed to meet today and spend TLN in a nice hotel outside the zona but she wanted me to go to AB I told her I wasn't going to AB and that she needs to get a cab and wait for me at the border, but she is giving me the round around, also her health card has expired she say she needed to renew it. I told her I have a backpack not something you want to be carrying into a bar.

Well, I had everything ready to hit the road today leaving from LA a 3 hour drive but she stop communicating with me so maybe tomorrow. She does this annoying thing of sending a text and turns off the phone and then I reply and she takes like 3 t0 4 hours to reply.

Honestly I don't know what do I had many AB girls before but this one is holding me by the balls LOL!

Should I give her one more chance to met again but my rules? I don't want to take her to the zona hotels I want her for a TLN on a nice hotel I know a few in the area Like the Mansion.OK. From a guy who likes the MBGF thing, grow up. She can't hold you by the balls because you don't seem to have any. (I understand the wife cut them off long ago but you can grow a new pair) Grow a pair and give this chick the boot. Believe me she is not the only provider of good sex in Tijuana. This chick is either using drugs or is bat-shit. My money's on bat-shit. You DO NOT want to get involved with either.

To digress, the health card thing takes, at most, 30 minutes. Usually less. It's done in a clinic across the street from that karaoke bar on Coahuila. It's truly not a big deal.

If you want a MBGF you will be MUCH better served by trolling Craigslist. The chicas there tend to be much less hard-core because they tend NOT to work in zona bars every day. That's a thread for another day. In the meantime, stop pissing away your money, time and sanity on this lunatic.

If you give her another chance, I will officially revoke your Man Card.

[Member #4450]

OK. From a guy who likes the MBGF thing, grow up. She can't hold you by the balls because you don't seem to have any. (I understand the wife cut them off long ago but you can grow a new pair) Grow a pair and give this chick the boot. Believe me she is not the only provider of good sex in Tijuana. This chick is either using drugs or is bat-shit. My money's on bat-shit. You DO NOT want to get involved with either.

To digress, the health card thing takes, at most, 30 minutes. Usually less. It's done in a clinic across the street from that karaoke bar on Coahuila. It's truly not a big deal.

If you want a MBGF you will be MUCH better served by trolling Craigslist. The chicas there tend to be much less hard-core because they tend NOT to work in zona bars every day. That's a thread for another day. In the meantime, stop pissing away your money, time and sanity on this lunatic.

If you give her another chance, I will officially revoke your Man Card.Hey Pho don't be so harsh, I understand but I need to see her once more to be sure.

There's so many lies going around with this girl like the health card waiting time also she works only 4 hours a day when she wants, like what a long day I had I went to sleep very late and I don't think it is true.

She sent me a text at 1:45 AM Monday night?? WTF Monday night Adelita bar is a Ghost town at this time. I starting to believe she's getting high on something but I can't tell sheacts very normal to me, I've seen girls on coke and she's not acting like one.

She always needs money, she likes the booze but in a normal amount not heavy drinker that's all I know.

BTW wifey doesn't give a shit who I am F. Ing! So I still got my original OEM balls.

[Baxter Slade]

HARSH? I don't think so Phordphan is just trying to show you some tough love. So you asked for advise here but its obvious you are not going to listen. But I totally understand when it comes to women we do end up having to learn the hard way.

As far as what Country John would say I looked through some old PM's he sent me when I was looking for advice. He would tell you to find the right girl and take it slow. And guess what all signs are telling us this aint the right girl.

[ScatManDoo]

HornyTraveler started this conversation by basically positing this:


Yes that's how I feel. I've been doing Tijuana for 15 years I still don't learn. I met this really nice girl in AB and everything from there was heaven for me. I was falling in love with this girl WTF happened to me someone please help?

Yes she even told me that she wanted to date me and no money involved?? Really I said, then we went to eat and I took her to a nice hotel outside the zona she was with me the whole night for $120 that's what I offered her and she told me it is ok she didn't want my money.,.

.,.Yes Iam fu. Ing stupid in buying all this bullshit love thing but I am soft sometimes and I fall for it.,.

.,.I was getting the idea that she was taking me for a fool but for what? I only gave her a total of $200 plus $20 worth the dinner..Then a couple of posts later, HornyTraveler writes this:


.,.she wanted to go to sleep around 1 Am and when she got up in the morning she jumped out of bed. I asked her how about a quickie but she didn't want anything and she never ask for the money. I told her the night before I was going to give her $150 but I realized in the morning I only had $120 she didn't care or say anything I also gave her all the food a bag of doritos, some candy a $12 bottle wine and my new $70 sweater because she was cold and she took everything home I mean she took everything including a small water bottle LOL! I also went upstairs the day before I gave her $60 + $20 tip she deserved it.A few posts later, HT adds this:


I'm hitting my head to the wall for been such a dick. Why I felt different with this girl I have no clue.But then wrote this weak willed post:


I completely agree with what you all saying.

News update she's on me right now asking for rent money.,.

.,.I told her that I gave her $200 about 3 days ago she said that she paid the gas the utility bills and that she expended all the same day because in Mexico money don't last. I know for sure she doesn't have a padrote or buy drugs she's just a drinker.

Now the conversation goes for about 5 minutes and I asked her why she blocked me on facebook and she said someone else did it. After done talking she sent me a Wasap text asking me when I was coming back I told her next week and then she asked me for money $$ for rent today right now I was going to say yes but that would make me the king of suckers. I told her not today I will help next week than she told me ok Bye and to text her when in my way to Tijuana.

She sounded very low and sad my heart was saying send her the money by Western Union, but what you guys think should I send her just $100 for now just to make her feel a little better?? I think I will change my name to Forrest Gump.But HornyTraveler bounced back with this post and almost seemed like he could be saved:


Pay for Play Only: You know this girl is an amateur because she blew it when she asked me for money on the phone. She told me that she misses me and then the word money for bills came out. She's not getting a dime until I see those legs spreading in front of me.But did a major backslide next with this crap:


I am taking some gifts for this girl like make up, some nice clothing a pink dildo and 2 bottles of wine.

Is 2 bottles of California wine ok to bring into Mexico.Yet I once again had hope HT would recover with these series of posts:


SMD you are 100% right she is bad news that is why I didn't send her a dime. The only thing I hear from her mouth over the phone is I miss you papi and I need some $$ she blew it mentioning money. I am not taking her seriously anymore I too playing the game the gifts are just part of a deal just to cover the extras.

Great report SMD.
WTF is wrong with her:
She done it again, she is no replying or answering her phone anymore what a f. Ing beatCh!

WTF I was on the phone with her just yesterday and I told her I was coming to Tijuana Tuesday and she told me OK. I think she got upset because I didn't send her the dough like she want me to. I am glad I didn't.

I guess what really happen yesterday when she answered my call it was by accident because she didn't recognize the caller ID. Now she knows it is me and she doesn't care. WTF I told her I was coming soon with the money to help her, shit I don't understand why she does that??

What pain in the ass this AB girl is, she needs money bad and she doesn't reply my text or answers the phone anymore. Oh well I was going to blow $400 on her and now she's going to have to work her pussy twice as hard to make that amount in AB.
Don't get mad, get even:
Let's play the game I will tell her I am coming with $500 cash and a nice watch for her and to meet me at San Ysidro on the US side and just wait there.

That will teach her to stop f. Ing around with her clients or If I see her again in AB I will talk about big money with her for going arriba and then I will take another girl.

Does it look like I'm pissed you betcha I am.
Off my Chest:
I have to admitted I am pissed off at this AB girl.

I just find out she blocked me on whatsapp too. I called her for the last time to leave a message for her. I just told her she just lost $500 I was going to expend with her and a nice watch and I wasn't interested in her anymore and she can go to F. K herself what she does better!

You guys told me right I learned the hard way luckily I didn't lose any money I almost send her $100 but you guys helped a fellow monger in the right time.

Thanks again!But in the end, HornyTraveler just does another big backslide:


Great advise Hugo and thank you for taking the time. But who Am I kidding I AM NOT OVER THIS GIRL YET. We were supposed to meet today and spend TLN in a nice hotel outside the zona but she wanted me to go to AB I told her I wasn't going to AB and that she needs to get a cab and wait for me at the border, but she is giving me the round around, also her health card has expired she say she needed to renew it. I told her I have a backpack not something you want to be carrying into a bar.

Well, I had everything ready to hit the road today leaving from LA a 3 hour drive but she stop communicating with me so maybe tomorrow. She does this annoying thing of sending a text and turns off the phone and then I reply and she takes like 3 t0 4 hours to reply.

Honestly I don't know what do I had many AB girls before but this one is holding me by the balls LOL!

Should I give her one more chance to met again but my rules? I don't want to take her to the zona hotels I want her for a TLN on a nice hotel I know a few in the area Like the Mansion.Just as there are some women beyond hope.

There are also mongers who are beyond hope.

[Phordphan]

There's so many lies going around with this girl like the health card waiting time also she works only 4 hours a day when she wants, like what a long day I had I went to sleep very late and I don't think it is true.You've know her for a few days, yet you've lost track of the lies she's told? No, you don't need to "be sure. " It's obvious.

AB is known for grueling 12-hour shifts. Working a few hours, whenever you want, sounds very fishy to me, but there may be exceptions. Like she's blowing the doorman.

I've personally escorted girls to the testing clinic. Men can't come inside. I waited on the street. Probably 15 minutes, certainly less than 30. Anything else is BS.

[HorseTrader]

You seem to be looking for someone to write "Go to her, release your love. She only needs a little help now. Soon you will be living the happy life with this loving and caring hottie who is half your age."

Sorry, it ain't going to happen. She is only doing what she thinks best to extract maximum cash from your wallet with minimum effort. She makes the moves up as she goes. That's why things don't make sense.

Her actions and words are inconsistent with what you want. For all you know, she is sending you those texts while on her back with another monger between her legs. Maybe she turns off her cell so she isn't distracted while fixing her makeup for the next customer.

Don't be mad at her. This is puta logic.

If you still don't want to give up, I suggest you make her prove herself. Tell her to cross the border and you will give her $100. When she doesn't show, you cross the border and have so much sex with other AB girls that you can't get it up again for a week. Don't give her a nickel.

[Jackie888]

Traveler:

You're going apeshit over this girl because you ego is crushed after a shitty marriage and divorce. Chin up my friend. You are single and normal. That makes you more appealing to a Chica because dating a girl 1/2 your age is pretty normal in Latin America. Its only a stigma in our own Puritan America.

My advice is to find another hottie that is "normal" to have a relationship with.

[Member #4450]

Traveler:

You're going apeshit over this girl because you ego is crushed after a shitty marriage and divorce. Chin up my friend. You are single and normal. That makes you more appealing to a Chica because dating a girl 1/2 your age is pretty normal in Latin America. Its only a stigma in our own Puritan America.

My advice is to find another hottie that is "normal" to have a relationship with.Thanks for the "Normal Title" yes half my age is about right but she is very mature for her age.

I still hanging in the confused zone, she say she's not with me for the money I told her to come honest with me I told her I'm ok with the true but don't hurt my feelings I say I can be your client or your boyfriend and lover and she told me she was my "Novia".

But there's always a whining from her about money for rent and bills to pay I was almost ready to tell her I will pay you the rent every month about $400 but I'mgoing to wait on the offer to see if she's real or a big liar. I am not an old looking guy I still young with a lite touch of grey I am her father's age LOL but she likes it that way she dated an older guy before.

I told her I am worker class guy not a millionaire from Beverly Hills, so I cannot afford to blow $400 weekly on her with expenses hotel, food and her tip.

I saved the best for last and I asked her if you love me next time don't take any money from me!! She looked at me and she said hmmm ok but I guess, sure, but and then she say if you don't help me I have to go to work to AB that day or they will fire me.

Then I told her to pick a non working day a day off and she like I don't really have a day off because of my nino her kid. So here I am trying to cut Through the bullshit.

[Member #4450]

I spent a TLN wit a gorgeous naked woman hugging and kissing but I refused to F. K her yes I did not. I told her I was going to show her that I really was in love with her and not with her sex.

I told her if you want me to f. K you I do but only if you want to. She hugged me and cuddle her naked ass next to me and I was ready to burst but I hold it like a champ and we watched a movie in bed next day I gave her a nice $100 tip and she left the fancy hotel we were in.

So now I did my part will see what happen next, she told me she needs to work the relation little by little to be more sure. Then she wanted me not to go to AB or any place in the zona Rose
so I left to LA on another 3 hour drive with blue balls ready to come back next week.

[HorseTrader]

...we watched a movie in bed next day I gave her a nice $100 tip and she left the fancy hotel we were in.

So now I did my part will see what happen next, she told me she needs to work the relation little by little to be more sure. Then she wanted me not to go to AB or any place in the zona Rose
so I left to LA on another 3 hour drive with blue balls ready to come back next week.Please clarify my understanding. You love her. You aren't having sex. You give her $100. She asked you not to go to AB or any of the other zona norte places. She goes to AB and screws any guy who will give her $60. Is all that right?

She has 100% control of you.

I trust that you at least made a stop at Figueroa or something similar as soon as you got back to LA.

[Member #4450]

Please clarify my understanding. You love her. You aren't having sex. You give her $100. She asked you not to go to AB or any of the other zona norte places. She goes to AB and screws any guy who will give her $60. Is all that right?

She has 100% control of you.

I trust that you at least made a stop at Figueroa or something similar as soon as you got back to LA.Don't take seriously everything I said, I don't even know WTF is going on with this girl.

I have a lot of confusion right now. Common sense if I she finds me in AB with other girls what do you think she's gonna say about me. She is there because is her job.
I understand what everyone here is trying to tell me I know AB is not a place to look for love, I wasn't thinking that it just happen and what's done is done. I've been going to Ab for many years and never crossed my mind finding a girlfriend in AB maybe this all a big bullshit from her tha's what I am trying to find out.

One thing that really bugs me is after I'm gone this girl doesn't reply my messages or answers the phone I know she read my text because it is marked as read.

And she acts like she didn't see it and that bothers me a lot. She told me she likes me and wants something more with me but she ignores me WTF with her?

Yes I paid her $100 for just to spent the night with me she didn't ask for money she took it because she was late on utility bills. She never mention anything about the amount so I think it was a good thing I really liked to be with her.

If I pay her for sex that would make me her client and that's not what I'm looking for with her.

[TomJackin]

I have a lot of confusion right now.

If I pay her for sex that would make me her client and that's not what I'm looking for.What do you expect from a girl that sells her body for a living?

Maybe this guy can help you out.

[Member #4450]

What do you expect from a girl that sells her body for a living?

Maybe this guy can help you out.I meant that is not what I am looking for with her.

Maybe this thread is for a love forum LOL hey I already accept that what I'm doing is stupid but I want to see how far it goes I don't see anything wrong with that.

[TomJackin]

Maybe this thread is for a love forum LOL hey I already accept that what I'm doing is stupid but I want to see how far it goes I don't see anything wrong with that.As long as you are having a good time, it's all good for you, and I doubt if anyone could change your mind.

Best of luck to you.

[ClamSlammer]

Don't take seriously everything I said, I don't even know WTF is going on with this girl.

I have a lot of confusion right now. Common sense if I she finds me in AB with other girls what do you think she's gonna say about me. She is there because is her job.
I understand what everyone here is trying to tell me I know AB is not a place to look for love, I wasn't thinking that it just happen and what's done is done. I've been going to Ab for many years and never crossed my mind finding a girlfriend in AB maybe this all a big bullshit from her tha's what I am trying to find out.

One thing that really bugs me is after I'm gone this girl doesn't reply my messages or answers the phone I know she read my text because it is marked as read.

And she acts like she didn't see it and that bothers me a lot. She told me she likes me and wants something more with me but she ignores me WTF with her?

Yes I paid her $100 for just to spent the night with me she didn't ask for money she took it because she was late on utility bills. She never mention anything about the amount so I think it was a good thing I really liked to be with her.

If I pay her for sex that would make me her client and that's not what I'm looking for with her.I'd rather be her client than be her be! Tch. And she's playing you for a damn fool. She's constantly lying to you and ignoring you at her convenience. If you meant anything at all to her she wouldn't be ignoring you all the time. She probably makes plenty of money at AB to pay all her bills. She probably pays around $200 rent and her CFE bill is around $30 every two months. She doesn't need any help, at least not financially. Any time a chica announces you are her "novio" it's fricking be. S. Just to get you to open the wallet. Wake up man. What I would do if I were you is to go to AB and find out which chica she hates most and then ficha and tip her all night right in front of her.

[Member #4450]

I'd rather be her client than be her be! Tch. And she's playing you for a damn fool. She's constantly lying to you and ignoring you at her convenience. If you meant anything at all to her she wouldn't be ignoring you all the time. She probably makes plenty of money at AB to pay all her bills. She probably pays around $200 rent and her CFE bill is around $30 every two months. She doesn't need any help, at least not financially. Any time a chica announces you are her "novio" it's fricking be. S. Just to get you to open the wallet. Wake up man. What I would do if I were you is to go to AB and find out which chica she hates most and then ficha and tip her all night right in front of her.That's what I thought too because if she is serious about me she would text me or answer my calls she will later tell me she had no time to text because of work or whatever? I can only say the relation with her is getting hot, the first time we kissed she kept her mouth semi open now she opened her mouth and I played with her tongue. I could see the way she was looking at me after I kissed her and she was very happy, man it felt so good I haven't felt this way since I dated my wife more than 20 years ago.


What I would do if I were you is to go to AB and find out which chica she hates most and then ficha and tip her all night right in front of her.If she messed with me I already thought about it and I will pay an AB girl extra to kiss me on the face and hug me repeatedly in front of her.

[Jackie888]

I spent a TLN wit a gorgeous naked woman hugging and kissing but I refused to F. K her yes I did not. I told her I was going to show her that I really was in love with her and not with her sex.

I told her if you want me to f. K you I do but only if you want to. She hugged me and cuddle her naked ass next to me and I was ready to burst but I hold it like a champ and we watched a movie in bed next day I gave her a nice $100 tip and she left the fancy hotel we were in.

So now I did my part will see what happen next, she told me she needs to work the relation little by little to be more sure. Then she wanted me not to go to AB or any place in the zona Rose
so I left to LA on another 3 hour drive with blue balls ready to come back next week.I think its pretty cool that you found passion in life at this age. I don't know about any one else but I'm pretty envious. I haven't felt like that for about 20 years. Sure screwing a playboy quality model every month or having a threesome here and there helps with my personal struggle, but its pretty shallow at the end of the day.

So yeah, she may be playing you like a violin. But shit, it's probably worth it. How much should it cost to love like a teenager all over again? Alot. Maybe even priceless. What you're getting is youth. You get to relive your life again. . Or a chance to correct your life. Correct the last 20 years of a passionless marriage.

I know where you're coming from.

[Member #4450]

I were you is to go to AB and find out which chica she hates most .Good idea but how do I do it? Can't just go around and ask girls who hates her.

[Member #4450]

I think its pretty cool that you found passion in life at this age. I don't know about any one else but I'm pretty envious. I haven't felt like that for about 20 years. Sure screwing a playboy quality model every month or having a threesome here and there helps with my personal struggle, but its pretty shallow at the end of the day.

So yeah, she may be playing you like a violin. But shit, it's probably worth it. How much should it cost to love like a teenager all over again? Alot. Maybe even priceless. What you're getting is youth. You get to relive your life again. . Or a chance to correct your life. Correct the last 20 years of a passionless marriage.

I know where you're coming from.That is it my friend it makes me feel good not younger I still in my 40's the new 30's. Shit I am not looking to get married with her and have kids and a dog I just want to feel the real thing without paying and enjoy it till it last what the heck.

Thanks man for your comment!

[Member #4450]

I need some legal advice just curious how can a US citizen get a tourist visa for a chica?

She want me to take her with me of course I can't cross her without papers.

She lived in Texas before but she lied to me about having a visa. And her mom brought her into Mexico but she told me she was born in Mexico.

[HorseTrader]

I need some legal advice just curious how can a US citizen get a tourist visa for a chica?

She want me to take her with me of course I can't cross her without papers.

She lived in Texas before but she lied to me about having a visa. And her mom brought her into Mexico but she told me she was born in Mexico.Only thing I know is a fiance visa. Will probably cost a few hundred dollars and you will need to marry her within 90 days. That should be enough time for you to realize that it is not going to work for you.

Do yourself a favor and go slow and be cautious with your money.

I'm not a lawyer, but it wouldn't surprise me if anything you spend on her will come out of your share of your divorce settlement.

We have a member who successfully married a former Mexican hooker. I suggest you look up his posts. I think his name was something like TheHammer1169.

[Member #4450]

I get a really bad headache or migraine when I take Cialis 20 MG I also get redness in my eyes that scares the shit out of me thinking I'm going to get a stroke or something.

I never had Viagra but it should have the same side effects and you need to take one every 4 hours I'm not sure.

Do these drugs lower or raises your blood pressure why the red eyes? I wonder if I cut it in half might help with the headache?

[SuperSteve]

HT:

IMO, you need to fall in "like" with yourself first. From what I have read you may be searching for something from someone else that is available to you immediately if you choose. All you need to do is change your thoughts. If you are not thinking the highest thought for self, change that thought immediately. You are only seconds away from being / thinking anything about self. Is it easy, h*ll no, but the journey, and the destination is amazing?

No other person will be able to offer what you want need, if you are lacking believing in self.

The one that cares the most loses.

Best of luck on your journey.

Health & happiness to you.

[HorseTrader]

I get a really bad headache or migraine when I take Cialis 20 MG I also get redness in my eyes that scares the shit out of me thinking I'm going to get a stroke or something.

I never had Viagra but it should have the same side effects and you need to take one every 4 hours I'm not sure.

Do these drugs lower or raises your blood pressure why the red eyes? I wonder if I cut it in half might help with the headache?I buy 20 MG cialis or 100 MG Viagra. I only take about 1/3 of either. For me smaller amounts have lesser side effects and lesser good effects. Cialis takes about 3 to 6 hours to take effect and 2 to 4 days to lose effectiveness. Viagra takes about an hour to work and it lasts for 8 to 14 hours. It may be different for you. Quicker response if taken on an empty stomach.

My face gets red with Viagra but not my eyes. If your eyesight gets worse, don't take it again. I get mild headache and stuffy nose from either.

[Member #4450]

HT:

IMO, you need to fall in "like" with yourself first. From what I have read you may be searching for something from someone else that is available to you immediately if you choose. All you need to do is change your thoughts. If you are not thinking the highest thought for self, change that thought immediately. You are only seconds away from being / thinking anything about self. Is it easy, h*ll no, but the journey, and the destination is amazing?

No other person will be able to offer what you want need, if you are lacking believing in self.

The one that cares the most loses.

Best of luck on your journey.

Health & happiness to you.Thanks man I know I am going to end up with a broken heart but like you said I'm going to enjoy my journey.

Life is like a box of chocolates!

[Member #4450]

I buy 20 MG cialis or 100 MG Viagra. I only take about 1/3 of either. For me smaller amounts have lesser side effects and lesser good effects. Cialis takes about 3 to 6 hours to take effect and 2 to 4 days to lose effectiveness. Viagra takes about an hour to work and it lasts for 8 to 14 hours. It may be different for you. Quicker response if taken on an empty stomach.

My face gets red with Viagra but not my eyes. If your eyesight gets worse, don't take it again. I get mild headache and stuffy nose from either.I used to buy it at the pharmacy on the south side, I still like to park on the US side UETA south, now I have to cross to the new entrance taking the "New Bridge".

So the pharmacy is on the other side too long of a walk. Is there another pharmacy at the new entrance to Tijuana?

[Drew996]

Thanks man I know I am going to end up with a broken heart but like you said I'm going to enjoy my journey.

Life is like a box of chocolates!Hey bro,

Never felt that way about a chica but I always wanted a fiery Latina! Kinda like Sophia Vergara.

Had my share of heartbreaks (only from normal life; not WG) and I think I'm completely jaded about love now. I think that's how you should feel before going to DisneyMan because if you're vulnerable, you will get taken. This is going to take time HTraveler.

I'll elaborate on my experiences. Had my shares of hanging with chicas outside of the bars and loved every minute of it. It's just great to have a 25 yo arm candy that makes you feel like a king. She would put her head on my shoulders when we walked outside. We went out to fancy restaurants, movies, bought her clothes and shoes. I gave her $200 each time we hung out but she never asked and put up a bit of resistance before accepting. This is how it should be. It's been a while now and I think back on it while reading your posts. Nothing like Tijuana for feeling young again.

[GolfSexRroll]

I used to buy it at the pharmacy on the south side, I still like to park on the US side UETA south, now I have to cross to the new entrance taking the "New Bridge".

So the pharmacy is on the other side too long of a walk. Is there another pharmacy at the new entrance to Tijuana?The first pharmacy in Mex is at the bottom of the stairs, As you enter Mexico. Before you go back to the USA. The BEST prices for ED meds is the Piro pharmacy across from the WAX museum, one block east of the arch on Primera.

[ScatManDoo]

I get a really bad headache or migraine when I take Cialis 20 MG I also get redness in my eyes that scares the shit out of me thinking I'm going to get a stroke or something.

I never had Viagra but it should have the same side effects and you need to take one every 4 hours I'm not sure.

Do these drugs lower or raises your blood pressure why the red eyes? I wonder if I cut it in half might help with the headache?Viagra is supposed to be effective for 4 to 6 hours. It is recommended by Pfizer to take Viagra doses at least 24 hours apart.

Basically they instruct you not to dose on Viagra every four hours and not to take other ED drugs in the same 24-hour period.

So if you want to have ED drug assistance for an entire 24-hour period, you are probably limited to Cialis or Levitra or other ED drugs I don't know about.

I actually don't follow Pfizer's recommendation when I'm in LZ. I buy 100 MG Viagra pills and bite off approximately 1/3 of a pill every 5 to 7 hours for as long as I want to fucking after my first pop. (I'm telling you that for full disclosure, I'm not recommending that you not follow the med's direction).

It's my understanding that Viagra, Cialis & Levitra all lower your blood pressure. You should consult your doctor.

[John Magellan]

I need some legal advice just curious how can a US citizen get a tourist visa for a chica?

She want me to take her with me of course I can't cross her without papers.

She lived in Texas before but she lied to me about having a visa. And her mom brought her into Mexico but she told me she was born in Mexico.You can't help her get a Tourist VISA, she has to go alone after submitting application online. If you try and vouch for her it will only make it worse, they will think she is coming to live with you and not be a tourist. Also, if she does not have strong ties / reasons to return to Mexico, a real job (for years), a house, children, etc. She will most probably not get a VISA. If she was born in Mexico then lived illegally in TX and was deported she is probably in the database and will have to wait 10 years to apply. My 2 - On the surface this girl is problematic. Best to to find one that already has a VISA.

[Jackie888]

I get a really bad headache or migraine when I take Cialis 20 MG I also get redness in my eyes that scares the shit out of me thinking I'm going to get a stroke or something.

I never had Viagra but it should have the same side effects and you need to take one every 4 hours I'm not sure.

Do these drugs lower or raises your blood pressure why the red eyes? I wonder if I cut it in half might help with the headache?They lower your blood pressure. But it can lower it to a lethal level if you take too much. If new to its use, btake 1/2 or 1/3 dosage. And keep it under the max every 24 hours (100 MG max every 24 hours).

I generally eat before I take Viagra otherwise I feel the side effects. But zero side effects if taking it on 1/2 full stomach. Viagra takes 30 min to work and wear off after 5 hours for me. Thats a 100 MG pill.

For whatever reason, cialis doesn't really work on me anymore.

[Member #4450]

When you guys buy the cialis or the V in TJ, do you get the one sealed in the package or the ones they sell from the big open jar?

[GolfSexRroll]

When you guys buy the cialis or the V in TJ, do you get the one sealed in the package or the ones they sell from the big open jar?By the single. Or by the four. They are always factory sealed. This is the only safe way. The pharmacy at the border will sell a single pill, and put it in a baggie. But you can watch them take out of the bottle. I have not done this in a few years.

[Jackie888]

By the single. Or by the four. They are always factory sealed. This is the only safe way. The pharmacy at the border will sell a single pill, and put it in a baggie. But you can watch them take out of the bottle. I have not done this in a few years.Yep. Factory sealed.

Otherwise, you can't be sure if the pharmacists aren't selling expired pills.

[Member #4450]

Last time I took Cialis was six years ago but I need it again what's the price nowadays for one 20 MG pill in Tijuana?

And how in the hell some of you can break a pill in 1/3 LOL? 1/2 is two pieces and 1/4 is four. Do they cut it with a laser for you? "Joking".

[Phordphan]

I need some legal advice just curious how can a US citizen get a tourist visa for a chica?

She want me to take her with me of course I can't cross her without papers.

She lived in Texas before but she lied to me about having a visa. And her mom brought her into Mexico but she told me she was born in Mexico.It's amazing watching a guy self-destruct like this. Much like watching a train wreck. It's a disaster, but you can't look away.

OK. I'll belch out some more sound advice, then I'll just shut up and watch you crash and burn.

You talked about your "relationship," but you don't have one. You've known her for a matter of days / weeks. That is not a relationship.

You don't want to be a "client" but you pay her to sleep in the same bed? Seriously? (As an aside, if you want a relationship with any poor, poorly educated MX lady, even if she's not a hooker, expect to support her. Client or novio, money will be involved.).

She lied to you constantly, from the very beginning, about everything. She continues to give you shit. You come here and bleat about her not returning messages, etc. , but you go running back for more.

After all of this, now you want to bring her HOME? WTF? You're either crazy or a masochist. This chica is bat-shit crazy and you want to live with, and support, that?

As Mr. Magellan said, you can't get her a tourist visa. That's on her, and unless the interviewer is high as a kite, there's no way on God's green earth that they will give a tourist visa to a single, dead broke, registered sex worker. Or, as another poster pointed out, you can try a fiancée visa. That'll take a couple of months, I think, and cost some $$. Then you'll have 90 days to marry or she comes back.

So, let's say you do that. One of three things will happen, and living happily ever after ain't one of them. You'll get married and then immediately lose at least half of your shit in a divorce (I've seen it). Or, you'll fight and she'll go back to MX. Or, she'll take off and go live elsewhere illegally.

Now, as Mr. Strickland said, here's a nickel's worth of free advice. If you want a hooker, find them in the Zona and leave them there. If you want a MBGF that's easy to meet, there are loads on Craigslist. You repeat a few times, and before you know it you're novia / novio. Money will always be involved, but it won't' be on an hourly basis. I speak from experience, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. Or, if you truly want a Latina GF, go online to something like mexicancupid.com, or another site. You will find lots of women in these places, many with educations and jobs, who would love to find a nice guy. And, as most guys can tell you, there's nothing quite like the passion of a hot Latina.

So, there you have it. It's your funeral. But few of us want to attend it.

[Phordphan]

I get a really bad headache or migraine when I take Cialis 20 MG I also get redness in my eyes that scares the shit out of me thinking I'm going to get a stroke or something.

I never had Viagra but it should have the same side effects and you need to take one every 4 hours I'm not sure.

Do these drugs lower or raises your blood pressure why the red eyes? I wonder if I cut it in half might help with the headache?You are obviously taking too much. Cut them in half and try a 10 MG dose. It's difficult, but you can cut them in quarters and take a 5 MG dose daily.

It tends to give me a stiff neck, especially if I take 20 MG. But I find V worse, and lots of flushing to boot.

[Drew996]

Last time I took Cialis was six years ago but I need it again what's the price nowadays for one 20 MG pill in Tijuana?I had bought some in mid 2014. Price was $7 for generics at the boarder pharm.

[ClamSlammer]

That's what I thought too because if she is serious about me she would text me or answer my calls she will later tell me she had no time to text because of work or whatever? I can only say the relation with her is getting hot, the first time we kissed she kept her mouth semi open now she opened her mouth and I played with her tongue. I could see the way she was looking at me after I kissed her and she was very happy, man it felt so good I haven't felt this way since I dated my wife more than 20 years ago.

If she messed with me I already thought about it and I will pay an AB girl extra to kiss me on the face and hug me repeatedly in front of her.Dude you have to quit looking for and analyzing subtle signs which may or may not indicate that her affection for you is genuine. It's not. She knows how to play emotionally needy men. She wasn't happy kissing you. She wanted you to think she was though. She was probably thinking about all the money she's going to fleece you out of. All she wants is money. Stop handing her cash and see how she treats you then. People do not ignore and lie to loved ones. They ignore and lie to people they don't give a shit about. Sorry if this sounds harsh but I'm trying to help you out.

[IAmTrout]

Hey guys,

New to the forum, but I mongered in Hong Kong before.

I'm looking to get the lay of the land in Tijuana. I could be living there for a couple weeks+ and I wouldn't mind getting laid every single day.

Back in HK I could get a 30-45 minute session with a before and after shower for $50-60 USD from a Chinese WG in her incall location.

After reading a few articles on Tijuana it's sounding like Tijuana is actually expensive compared to Hong Kong? $80 for a bar girl + $10 for a hotel room and. 15-20 minutes. Seriously? $90 for 15-20 minutes.

Or $30 + $10 for a SW, but that's also really short at 15-20 minutes.

So I've got a few questions (answer via PM if anyone wants).

- I'm really really really not into the whole loud, rambunctious, social bar / club scene. What's a laid back, chilled way to get WG? In HK you could go to a brothel, they would immediately show you to a room by yourself, and they would bring a girl to you one by one. Or you walk around an apartment building and knock on the doors of the incall locations. You never have to step into a crowded situation if you don't want to.

- Possible to get a 30-45 minute session for $50-60 or even cheaper?

- Any WG-friendly establishments I could stay at for 2 weeks at around $30 a night? Alternatively I was just going to stay at a cheap hostel or something and just go out every day, but I'm concerned that the price for a 15-20 minute stay at a love hotel would be put to better use towards an actual overnight place.

[ScatManDoo]

- Any WG-friendly establishments I could stay at for 2 weeks at around $30 a night? Alternatively I was just going to stay at a cheap hostel or something and just go out every day, but I'm concerned that the price for a 15-20 minute stay at a love hotel would be put to better use towards an actual overnight place.The Hotel Leyva is a basic, non-fancy place that has three different types of hotel rooms that rent for around $28 to $35 a night (slightly better if you pay in pesos). The Leyva's daily rates are slightly lower Monday thru Thursday and slightly higher Friday thru Sunday nights).

But the big policy there, that is relevant to your intended length of stay, is that if you pay for 5 nights in advance at check-in, they give you 2 additional nights for free. So you could stay a week for as little as around $140 a week.

They are completely chica friendly and located within the northern edge of La Zona. I've stayed there many times I the past year, with my last stay there in either November or December. Some days I would take in ten or more chicas (mostly for cheap blow jobs) in a single day with no problems.

[Member #4450]

I honestly want to thank all of you guys for trying to help a confused monger.

I am still here in LA waiting for her to reply my text or answering my calls and no luck after 3 days. Now this is what I don't understand if she's acting a complete fake and it is all about money why she doesn't keep up with me? I mean if she's smart she should take care of business returning text messages.

About her visa no way I am getting married with her for a visa in fact I am not getting married anymore, I dated my wife for 15 years then I married her and from there on everything changed for the worst stay single guys don't get married you'll thank me later.

[HorseTrader]

And how in the hell some of you can break a pill in 1/3 LOL? 1/2 is two pieces and 1/4 is four.Best way at home is with a razor. First cut so that one piece is larger than the other. Then cut the larger piece in half. It's not precise, but close enough to 3 equal pieces. A pill cutter is a bit more tricky for precise cuts.

Or, buy the single pill package and the Mexican pharmacist will cut it right through the package and never touch it himself. I take a piece while I'm still in the store and trash the rest. I don't walk around Tijuana with pills in my pocket.

[HorseTrader]

I am still here in LA waiting for her to reply my text or answering my calls and no luck after 3 days. Now this is what I don't understand if she's acting a complete fake and it is all about money why she doesn't keep up with me? I mean if she's smart she should take care of business returning text messages.Simple. It's too much work for her to keep replying. She's pulled this same stunt with many mongers and she knows that they all come to their senses and soon stop giving her money. She knows you will do the same, so she isn't investing too much time.

If you give her immediate promise of more cash, she will answer your texts quickly. Try this: "Can you meet me at the arch at 4:00? I've got $200. Is that enough to help you?" She will resond quickly. You stay in LA. At about 4:15 you will get a text that says "where are you?"

You will never get a text that says "Yes, 4:00 is great. You keep your money but I want to see you".

It's all about the money and how much time/energy she has to spend to get it. Why should she spend the effort to text you for a week (for maybe $100) while there's a monger on the next stool with more than that hanging out of his pocket?

[Member #4450]

Simple. It's too much work for her to keep replying. She's pulled this same stunt with many mongers and she knows that they all come to their senses and soon stop giving her money. She knows you will do the same, so she isn't investing too much time.

If you give her immediate promise of more cash, she will answer your texts quickly. Try this: "Can you meet me at the arch at 4:00? I've got $200. Is that enough to help you?" She will resond quickly. You stay in LA. At about 4:15 you will get a text that says "where are you?"

You will never get a text that says "Yes, 4:00 is great. You keep your money but I want to see you".

It's all about the money and how much time/energy she has to spend to get it. Why should she spend the effort to text you for a week (for maybe $100) while there's a monger on the next stool with more than that hanging out of his pocket?Today I got a text from her because I caught her online and I told her I know you're there reply my text and she did and this is exactly how it went.

ME: why don't you reply my text.

Her: I told you the other day I needed $$.

ME: And that's the whole reason you're avoiding me?

Her: I just woke up and and a bad mood.

ME: How much do you need?

HER: I need $1500 pesos about $100.

ME: Why you do this to me you know I truly love you.

HER: I know you do, I just got to many debts.

HER: I spent all the $$ you gave me already.

HER: Bye I got to go now.

ME: Are you stll there?

I think she got disappointed on me the last time I was with her because she couldn't get more dough from me after I f. Ked her and she was laying in bed watching her cel whining about non paid bills and I didn't say anything. She made me pay about $60 in ficha drinks delivered to the room but I didn't give her a dime after I f. Ked her maybe that's why she left drunk and pissed off.

I told her it was her fault for getting ficha drinks I told her she should've told me she needed the cash instead, and I didn't have anymore $ I had only $30 left in my wallet to return to the States.

Can some explain why she needs so much money everyday she is not doing drugs that I'm sure. You don't need $100 to $200 dollars everyday to make a living in Tijuana that's a lot of money over there. WTF with that?

[Hobbiest1]

Today I got a text from her because I caught her online and I told her I know you're there reply my text and she did and this is exactly how it went.

ME: why don't you reply my text.

Her: I told you the other day I needed $$.

ME: And that's the whole reason you're avoiding me?

Her: I just woke up and and a bad mood.

ME: How much do you need?

HER: I need $1500 pesos about $100.

ME: Why you do this to me you know I truly love you.

HER: I know you do, I just got to many debts.

HER: I spent all the $$ you gave me already.

HER: Bye I got to go now.

ME: Are you stll there?

I think she got disappointed on me the last time I was with her because she couldn't get more dough from me after I f. Ked her and she was laying in bed watching her cel whining about non paid bills and I didn't say anything. She made me pay about $60 in ficha drinks delivered to the room but I didn't give her a dime after I f. Ked her maybe that's why she left drunk and pissed off.

I told her it was her fault for getting ficha drinks I told her she should've told me she needed the cash instead, and I didn't have anymore $ I had only $30 left in my wallet to return to the States.

Can some explain why she needs so much money everyday she is not doing drugs that I'm sure. You don't need $100 to $200 dollars everyday to make a living in Tijuana that's a lot of money over there. WTF with that?Dude. Seriously. MOVE THE FUCK ON. I am getting sick of your PITY ME syndrome. Bottom line and many others told you. The girls are in it for one thing. MONEY. Not love! GET OVER IT!

[ClamSlammer]

I am still here in LA waiting for her to reply my text or answering my calls and no luck after 3 days. Now this is what I don't understand if she's acting a complete fake and it is all about money why she doesn't keep up with me? I mean if she's smart she should take care of business returning text messages.
They're not smart. Most putas are idiots. They can get 10 x more $$$ from a monger if they had just average intelligence. If she was really kind and sweet to you and acted genuinely interested then you'd be willing to help her way more. But putas will never understand this simple logic: men want to help nice women, not women who are bitches.

[ClamSlammer]

I think she got disappointed on me the last time I was with her because she couldn't get more dough from me after I f. Ked her and she was laying in bed watching her cel whining about non paid bills and I didn't say anything. She made me pay about $60 in ficha drinks delivered to the room but I didn't give her a dime after I f. Ked her maybe that's why she left drunk and pissed off.

I told her it was her fault for getting ficha drinks I told her she should've told me she needed the cash instead, and I didn't have anymore $ I had only $30 left in my wallet to return to the States.

Can some explain why she needs so much money everyday she is not doing drugs that I'm sure. You don't need $100 to $200 dollars everyday to make a living in Tijuana that's a lot of money over there. WTF with that?Don't give her a single centavo more. The fact that she wants you to waste your money on fichas further supports the fact that she truly doesn't give a fuck. She doesn't need $100-$200/ day. She can live comfortably on $800/ mo with one kid to support. Next time she whines about her 'gastos son muchos' tell that ***** to get off her trasero and start trabajando.

[HorseTrader]

It's all about the money and how much time/energy she has to spend to get it.



Her: I told you the other day I needed $$.

HER: I need $1500 pesos about $100.

ME: Why you do this to me you know I truly love you.

HER: I know you do, I just got to many debts.

HER: I spent all the $$ you gave me already.



Dude. Seriously. MOVE THE FUCK ON. ... The girls are in it for one thing. MONEY.


Don't give her a single centavo more.Next time you are tempted to contact her, please read the above quotes.

[IAmTrout]

The Hotel Leyva is a basic, non-fancy place that has three different types of hotel rooms that rent for around $28 to $35 a night (slightly better if you pay in pesos). The Leyva's daily rates are slightly lower Monday thru Thursday and slightly higher Friday thru Sunday nights).

But the big policy there, that is relevant to your intended length of stay, is that if you pay for 5 nights in advance at check-in, they give you 2 additional nights for free. So you could stay a week for as little as around $140 a week.

They are completely chica friendly and located within the northern edge of La Zona. I've stayed there many times I the past year, with my last stay there in either November or December. Some days I would take in ten or more chicas (mostly for cheap blow jobs) in a single day with no problems.Amazing, thanks. A couple other questions:

- Is it safe to park my car around the hotel? It's a newer looking Subaru hatchback with a cargo box on top.

- I heard that SW aren't going to go to a hotel with you. They want to go to their normal incall place. Is this true? Am I going to have to see a SW a couple times at her normal incall place first before she might agree to follow to my hotel room?

- Any idea what a 45 minute session will cost? 15-20 minutes is way way way too short. I generally am used to both of us taking a quick shower before and after the session.

- I need some clarification on differences. Let me know if I'm wrong -.

A BG will only have the session at the same bar / hotel she's working at.

A SG hangs around a certain "post"? So she would only go to the bar / hotel that she is posted at?

A SW is independent and can go anywhere.

[Member #4450]

Next time you are tempted to contact her, please read the above quotes.I feel like shit, used and depressed and the worst part is I still want to be with her what an idiot I am!

[Hobbiest1]

I feel like shit, used and depressed and the worst part is I still want to be with her what an idiot I am!Best of luck to you and not another comment from me. I'm getting the feeling that you are more work than she is.

[TomJackin]

Best of luck to you and not another comment from me. I'm getting the feeling that you are more work than she is.Either that or he is fucking with all of us on this thread. :mad:

[Exoticspirit]

Best of luck to you and not another comment from me. I'm getting the feeling that you are more work than she is.Just imagine if he was in this same type of situation in the Philippines with those girls! The line would be even more blurred for him there!

[Ready Ru]

I feel like shit, used and depressed and the worst part is I still want to be with her what an idiot I am!Dude, are your like 14 yrs old or something?

[IAmTrout]

Dude, are your like 14 yrs old or something?He said he dated his wife for 15 years before marriage?

Still, the heart feels what the heart feels and it wants what it wants.

[GolfSexRroll]

Either that or he is fucking with all of us on this thread. :mad:I think this has gone too far. It has gone past a reasonable hash out. No more need for advise. As the movie says, "let it go. Let it go!

[Phordphan]

Either that or he is fucking with all of us on this thread. :mad:I have started to get that same feeling, Tom.

[Phordphan]

Can some explain why she needs so much money everyday she is not doing drugs that I'm sure. You don't need $100 to $200 dollars everyday to make a living in Tijuana that's a lot of money over there. WTF with that?You keep answering your own questions. She does not need $200 per day, or anything close to that. Unless drugs or gambling or a padrote are involved.

Now sack up and move on. We've all given you a shitload of good advice. If your next post isn't about how you found another girl and had a good time and forgot all about Miss PITA, then I'm organizing a mass "Ignore" of your board handle.

[ScatManDoo]

Amazing, thanks. A couple other questions:

- Is it safe to park my car around the hotel? It's a newer looking Subaru hatchback with a cargo box on top.

- I heard that SW aren't going to go to a hotel with you. They want to go to their normal incall place. Is this true? Am I going to have to see a SW a couple times at her normal incall place first before she might agree to follow to my hotel room?

- Any idea what a 45 minute session will cost? 15-20 minutes is way way way too short. I generally am used to both of us taking a quick shower before and after the session.

- I need some clarification on differences. Let me know if I'm wrong -.

A BG will only have the session at the same bar / hotel she's working at.

A SG hangs around a certain "post"? So she would only go to the bar / hotel that she is posted at?

A SW is independent and can go anywhere.It is never safe to park your car on the streets of Tijuana. It is only safe to park your car in a paid lot. Hotel Leyva has one of, if not the, biggest parking lots in La Zona. Hotel Leyva has almost 100 rooms in two separate wings (and a third wing in the front currently under construction). Their older wing is a three story structure and contains the crappiest & cheapest rooms. My monger friends refer to this as the 'jail wing; and it contains the hotel's oficina.

The newer (but not new) wing is a small five-story structure that sits above the parking lot entrance. No hotel rooms are located on the ground level of this "tower" wing. Rooms in the tower are singles and doubles, they cost about $8 to $10 a night more than the jail wing rooms, but the tower wing rooms come with free parking on the premises. Since you'll want to park your car there, your total costs will be about the same as the jail wing rooms since parking costs extra when you stay in the jail wing rooms.

You have a good understanding of the basic differences between Bar Girls, Street Girls and Walkers. Session prices vary a great deal in Tijuana from chica to chica, but a good guideline for pricing on a 30-45 minute cita is 600 pesos to 800 pesos for a bar girl, 400 p to 500 p for a street girl, and 150 p to 400 p for a walker. Many of my brethren mongers might pay more than these pay levels, but most make the negotiation mistake of asking a chica for her price (Cuanto?) I have always found it better to approach a chica, pay her a compliment, then specify your desired services and offer her a price in pesos that is 50 p to 100 p less than the amount you're willing and wanting to pay her. A large portion of walkers can be found just half a block away from Hotel Leyva at the intersection of Constitution Ave. And Coahuila Ave.

[ItsMeBeyatch]

Yes sir it is time this becomes a monger site again not a save a hoe advise site about how to get screwed out of your money


I think this has gone too far. It has gone past a reasonable hash out. No more need for advise. As the movie says, "let it go. Let it go!.

[Member #4450]

What's that shit all about Pho, Golf, Tom and Ready Ru no need for Sarcasm. Neither of you were forced to come to this thread to leave a comment. I've been here very long time maybe even longer than any of you.

If you unhappy with my comments, questions or what I said just move on to another thread but don't come here to trash other member.

I do appreciate the help and the friendly replies but not personal attacks. If you like to read this love story with a bar girl you're welcome to leave your comment.

Otherwise you guys should move on to another area and just let others to comment in a positive way.

[Jjj101]

It is never safe to park your car on the streets of Tijuana. It is only safe to park your car in a paid lot. Hotel Leyva has one of, if not the, biggest parking lots in La Zona. Hotel Leyva has almost 100 rooms in two separate wings (and a third wing in the front currently under construction). Their older wing is a three story structure and contains the crappiest & cheapest rooms. My monger friends refer to this as the 'jail wing; and it contains the hotel's oficina.

The newer (but not new) wing is a small five-story structure that sits above the parking lot entrance. No hotel rooms are located on the ground level of this "tower" wing. Rooms in the tower are singles and doubles, they cost about $8 to $10 a night more than the jail wing rooms, but the tower wing rooms come with free parking on the premises. Since you'll want to park your car there, your total costs will be about the same as the jail wing rooms since parking costs extra when you stay in the jail wing rooms.

You have a good understanding of the basic differences between Bar Girls, Street Girls and Walkers. Session prices vary a great deal in Tijuana from chica to chica, but a good guideline for pricing on a 30-45 minute cita is 600 pesos to 800 pesos for a bar girl, 400 p to 500 p for a street girl, and 150 p to 400 p for a walker. Many of my brethren mongers might pay more than these pay levels, but most make the negotiation mistake of asking a chica for her price (Cuanto?) I have always found it better to approach a chica, pay her a compliment, then specify your desired services and offer her a price in pesos that is 50 p to 100 p less than the amount you're willing and wanting to pay her. A large portion of walkers can be found just half a block away from Hotel Leyva at the intersection of Constitution Ave. And Coahuila Ave.Parking is free as long as you have a room (either wing) in the hotel. The "tower" wing tends to have cockroaches. The "jail" wing has loud music from Chicago club.

[RickyVee]

There are plenty of BG's and more coming soon for the summer dime a dozen. Just becomes irritating for us to see and hear after a while I am sure you understand. The reason she is playing you is because you seem like an emotional needy man. You need to be more Alpha and less Beta provider. Most women in general, especially Mexican women are repulsed by this. Try to take up some new hobbies instead of mongering, do things for you and the women will come. Most of us have been there done that so we just want these boards to be about business not a love advice column. Most everybody has given you some solid advice already on how to handle the situation. Think you may to give the mongering a rest for a while take a time out and come back when you got your head back on straight. Best of luck brother.

[Jackie888]

The newer (but not new) wing is a small five-story structure that sits above the parking lot entrance. No hotel rooms are located on the ground level of this "tower" wing. Rooms in the tower are singles and doubles, they cost about $8 to $10 a night more than the jail wing rooms, but the tower wing rooms come with free parking on the premises. Since you'll want to park your car there, your total costs will be about the same as the jail wing rooms since parking costs extra when you stay in the jail wing rooms.
Do they have decent prices on "Deluxe" Rooms with a jacuzzi? I cannot locate their website.

[Baxter Slade]

What's that shit all about Pho, Golf, Tom and Ready Ru no need for Sarcasm. Neither of you were forced to come to this thread to leave a comment. I've been here very long time maybe even longer than any of you.

If you unhappy with my comments, questions or what I said just move on to another thread but don't come here to trash other member.

I do appreciate the help and the friendly replies but not personal attacks. If you like to read
this love story with a bar girl you're welcome to leave your comment.


Otherwise you guys should move on to another area and just let others to comment in a positive way.I believe the problem here is the members who have reached out to you and provided you with advice are getting FRUSTRATED because it seems you are not listening. But as I stated in an eatlier post I get it. When it comes to women we usually have to learn the hard way.

I hope you continue to provide updates wether bad or good. I enjoy the drama of hearing a good hooker monger love story. Even though 94.3 per cent of the time the monger crashes and burns.

[HorseTrader]

I hope you continue to provide updates wether bad or good. I enjoy the drama of hearing a good hooker monger love story. Even though 94.3 per cent of the time the monger crashes and burns.I enjoy the drama too, but am 99.44% sure that HornyTraveler will end up out a bunch of money with little satisfaction. But, he will learn from the experience.

I almost got myself in a similar situation a year ago. Scattered throughout 2014, I was in zona norte about 25 days. During my first 10 days I developed an HK favorite and fell for her charms. Had some drinks together, went to Cascadas a few times, and sometimes we just sat and chatted without me spending my money. Frequent text messages. A few emails. A few telephone calls (she spoke decent English). Lunch together alone on the 3rd floor of HK. She invited me to her apartment (which scared the crap out of me). After about day 10 she wouldn't let me buy her more drinks, presumably because she wanted me to spend my money in the room. About then I decided there would be no more sessions upstairs because she wasn't a good enough piece of ass. So, no more money spent on her. Every day she would watch me take other girls upstairs; at first I felt guilty but soon got over that problem. By about day 18 (August), she said to me "you don't love me any more. " I thought that was quite funny. We still talked a bit, but, she never tried to get any more money from me.

Perhaps this was easier for me because I've been divorced for many years. I have had a long line of girfriends and significant others, but I still see hookers. It is important to keep those things separated.

[ScatManDoo]

Do they have decent prices on "Deluxe" Rooms with a jacuzzi? I cannot locate their website.The Hotel Leyva does not have any Jacuzzi rooms, nor a website (that I am aware of).

There are two hotel rooms attached to the east end of their 3-story parking structure that are set-up like 1 bedroom apartments, with kitchen.

Those two rooms are the best that they have, yet they are basic and typically are occupied by month-to-month tenants.

Hotel Leyva is located on the east side of Constitution Ave. About a half block north of Coahuila Ave (very close to Chicago Club).

[Jackie888]

I think it burns both ways.

A 2 months ago I take a Tropical chica upstairs. The sex was pretty boring so I didn't want to repeat. But I must have said something to her because when I didn't buy her a drink nor take her upstairs the next time I was in town, she gave me the most evil eye. To this day, I can feel her laser beam eyes piercing the back of my skull every time we're in the same room.

[MaskedTurbator]

I feel like shit, used and depressed and the worst part is I still want to be with her what an idiot I am!The name of this website is internationalSEXguide.

NOT internationalLOVEguide.

Everyone who is on this website understands that we are on here for one primary thing: SEX. The moment you start injecting feelings and justifying fantasy futures together, with a sex worker, you need to step back from the hobby and re-evaluate your current position in life. Are you happy with where you are? Are you satisfied with your life as it is right now? Or are you trying to fill some sort of emptiness, and instead confusing sex with love?

Sex workers peddle a fantasy. For a price, they can pretend to be deeply in love with you. Do they care? Sure. But they have other pre-existing obligations they have to fulfill, just like you do. And it's grossly unfair to you, and to them, that you expect anything more with someone who is most likely doing this out of pure financial necessity.

Everyone on this board is sympathetic to your plight. I'm sure we've all been in your position before. If you cannot separate love from sex, then this is not the hobby for you right now. She can, because it's her job.

[Jackie888]

I may be interested in spending time with a Craigslist Pro.

Any advice from anyone for this Craigslist Virgin? How does it work, pricing, negotiations, what to expect, recommended providers.

[Member #4450]

I enjoy the drama too, but am 99.44% sure that HornyTraveler will end up out a bunch of money with little satisfaction.

.I guess you're wrong I got a lot more GFE for my money, that wasn't a problem for me at all. It is true I did end up sad with a broken heart but by my wallet is good.

[Member #4450]

The name of this website is internationalSEXguide.

NOT internationalLOVEguide.

Everyone who is on this website understands that we are on here for one primary thing: SEX. The moment you start injecting feelings and justifying fantasy futures together, with a sex worker, you need to step back from the hobby and re-evaluate your current position in life. Are you happy with where you are? Are you satisfied with your life as it is right now? Or are you trying to fill some sort of emptiness, and instead confusing sex with love?

Sex workers peddle a fantasy. For a price, they can pretend to be deeply in love with you. Do they care? Sure. But they have other pre-existing obligations they have to fulfill, just like you do. And it's grossly unfair to you, and to them, that you expect anything more with someone who is most likely doing this out of pure financial necessity.

Everyone on this board is sympathetic to your plight. I'm sure we've all been in your position before. If you cannot separate love from sex, then this is not the hobby for you right now. She can, because it's her job.Welcome to this forum Dr Phil, 10 post newbie and already has an attitude! What an ignorant statement because "LOVE AND SEX" go together sex is better with love get your shit together before making such comment. Have you ever fu. Ked someone who loves you did you notice the difference or you didn't? Ok you should try it before making that statement. BTW, before flaming old members of this forum you should earn your stars first.

[Member #4450]

I am waiting for her reply let's see if she takes the bait. She doesn't want to reply my text so I played my last card just for the heck of it.

I told her in the text if she still want me to buy her the shoes and the make up from Victoria secret, and that I was coming down this week to pay her apartment rent.

$400 of course I'm not giving her a dime I just want to see what she does.

I've been thinking what if she doesn't care for the money and maybe she just doesn't want to hurt me and that is the whole reason she's avoiding me?

If she still does not reply to my $$ offer I guess you guys were wrong about her, I mean think about it $400 cash plus gifts is a sweet offer to turn it down just a thought.

Guys if you enjoy this thread please you're welcome to leave your comment but I don't need sarcasm from unhappy members.

There's no harm done here we're all just having fun.

[ScatManDoo]

I am waiting for her reply let's see if she takes the bait. She doesn't want to reply my text so I played my last card just for the heck of it.

I told her in the text if she still want me to buy her the shoes and the make up from Victoria secret, and that I was coming down this week to pay her apartment rent.

$400 of course I'm not giving her a dime I just want to see what she does.

I've been thinking what if she doesn't care for the money and maybe she just doesn't want to hurt me and that is the whole reason she's avoiding me?

If she still does not reply to my $$ offer I guess you guys were wrong about her, I mean think about it $400 cash plus gifts is a sweet offer to turn it down just a thought.

Guys if you enjoy this thread please you're welcome to leave your comment but I don't need sarcasm from unhappy members.

There's no harm done here we're all just having fun.When you first met this gang banging hooker, you saw her two nights in a row and paid her for sex both nights. $60 the first night and $120 the second night (after promising her $150).

I guess it was about a week later when you saw her again. At that rendezvous you paid her $100 to just sleep with you, no sex.

It seems as if you've made countless other contacts with her by phone and text and posts during the past two weeks, with nearly all of them ignored by her.

Now, after her continuing rebuffs, you've played your "final card" by offering her $400 cash and shoes, with no intention of giving her any money.

I think that says more about you, than any answer (or avoidance) on her part will say about her.

[ClamSlammer]

I am waiting for her reply let's see if she takes the bait. She doesn't want to reply my text so I played my last card just for the heck of it.

I told her in the text if she still want me to buy her the shoes and the make up from Victoria secret, and that I was coming down this week to pay her apartment rent.

$400 of course I'm not giving her a dime I just want to see what she does.

I've been thinking what if she doesn't care for the money and maybe she just doesn't want to hurt me and that is the whole reason she's avoiding me?

If she still does not reply to my $$ offer I guess you guys were wrong about her, I mean think about it $400 cash plus gifts is a sweet offer to turn it down just a thought.

Guys if you enjoy this thread please you're welcome to leave your comment but I don't need sarcasm from unhappy members.

There's no harm done here we're all just having fun.HT I don't mind your posts at all. At least it is something to read and has to do with a BG. If it makes you feel any better, my rookie season in Tijuana I was in a situation somewhat like yours, but not as bad. I got involved with what I saw as the hottest chica in HK OTC. Exotic looking 22 year old. All you vets will instantly recognize her. She was a shark and ran a good hustle on her regulars. She never really ignored me like your chica, and only asked me for money a handful of times. But I did let her get away with shit I'm too embarrassed to admit to on this board. So after almost a year I left her to be with an Amnesia chica. And the breakup was ugly. She even texted me a veiled threat. Anyhow, 9 months later she contacts me wanting to be friends. So we started hanging out again although I was seeing a different HK chica at the time. At first just friends then later more. But by that time I had no more feelings for her. But she did. Always begging me to come over. Fast forward a couple years and now I have her wrapped around my little finger. She does whatever I tell her to. She is real afraid of upsetting me and thus does whatever I want. It's almost like I own her now. She even refuses money. Honestly it wasn't worth the effort or emotional drain to turn her around. But it can be done.

[Member #4450]

HT I don't mind your posts at all. At least it is something to read and has to do with a BG. If it makes you feel any better, my rookie season in Tijuana I was in a situation somewhat like yours, but not as bad. I got involved with what I saw as the hottest chica in HK OTC. Exotic looking 22 year old. All you vets will instantly recognize her. She was a shark and ran a good hustle on her regulars. She never really ignored me like your chica, and only asked me for money a handful of times. But I did let her get away with shit I'm too embarrassed to admit to on this board. So after almost a year I left her to be with an Amnesia chica. And the breakup was ugly. She even texted me a veiled threat. Anyhow, 9 months later she contacts me wanting to be friends. So we started hanging out again although I was seeing a different HK chica at the time. At first just friends then later more. But by that time I had no more feelings for her. But she did. Always begging me to come over. Fast forward a couple years and now I have her wrapped around my little finger. She does whatever I tell her to. She is real afraid of upsetting me and thus does whatever I want. It's almost like I own her now. She even refuses money. Honestly it wasn't worth the effort or emotional drain to turn her around. But it can be done.Thanks CS, your HK girl was nicer than mine at least she replied to you. I just find out that she read my text I sent her about the money and the gift offer, she still ignores me WTF is wrong with this chick? She's a teaser, are you going to tell me she does not need $400? I am beginning to believe there must be something else going on but wtf is it?? This girl is driving me insane if its not the money what is that she wants? I even told her that I still want to be her friend because I like her.

Why can she just tell me forget about me I don't want a relation right now I would just f. K you for money and get it over with this.

I am not ready to give up until she tells me WTF she wants, so I am back to step one again LOL!

[Member #4450]

When you first met this gang banging hooker, you saw her two nights in a row and paid her for sex both nights. $60 the first night and $120 the second night (after promising her $150).

I guess it was about a week later when you saw her again. At that rendezvous you paid her $100 to just sleep with you, no sex.

It seems as if you've made countless other contacts with her by phone and text and posts during the past two weeks, with nearly all of them ignored by her.

Now, after her continuing rebuffs, you've played your "final card" by offering her $400 cash and shoes, with no intention of giving her any money.

I think that says more about you, than any answer (or avoidance) on her part will say about her.I understand your point of you but that's not how it goes.

She got more than that because I gave her $150 for her time with me plus $65 ficha drinks, $40 dinner, $50 nice hotel, $25 taxi fees, I even gave her money to help her friend another $40, I did not have sex with her in the hotel I was never ever cheap or greedy so I don't really understand what you mean?

Please elaborate where is my mistake?

She never mention the $30 balance because we never agreed on a firm price it just happened that way. I didn't have any more cash that day, she didn't mind or ask me for more.

The only thing I can think is she probably was expecting more money for the TLD but she never complained about it, she just took the money and gave me a hug and kiss.

I think if the amount wasn't enough she would've told me don't you think. I know AB girls very well they will ask up front for the money that's how they are so I don't think I did anything wrong, besides I gave her a new blouse I purchased in Macys for $60 plus some creams and makeup a total of $120 so I think was very generous with her all times.
BTW, yes I did pay her $60 the first time plus a $20 tip, the next morning she got another $120 and we had sex just once.

[Member #4450]

I am done with her no mater how hard I tried she now blocked me on her whatsapp. She did block me on her Facebook first, this biatch is crazy why would she gave me all her phone numbers if she would not reply any.

I called her to leave a piece of mind on her cell because she pissed me off good now. I would never know why she done all of this but I do want to look for her one more time in AB to ask her why?

I will take as many AB girls upstairs while she is in there.

What bugs me the most is not knowing the reason why she did this to me, if she wants more money she needs to learn how to treat a client.

Maybe is because I never wire her money WTF who wires money to an AB girl. That to me sounds like take the money and run.

Anyway thread is closed.

[Baxter Slade]

Ok HT Now I'm stumped. These girls may use and abuse us. But one thing is certain they ALL respond to money. So the only thing I can think of is she never recieved your text offer of the $400 and shoes. After all these girls go through phones faster than I go through toilet paper.

[Member #4450]

Ok HT Now I'm stumped. These girls may use and abuse us. But one thing is certain they ALL respond to money. So the only thing I can think of is she never recieved your text offer of the $400 and shoes. After all these girls go through phones faster than I go through toilet paper.Yeah me too I'm shocked how can she refuses $400 cash. I'm sure she got my phone text because I heard that stupid Spanish recording message saying the call will be charge after the 2 beeps and then press number 1 to send your message and then press number 1 for regular delivery and press 2 for urgent delivery. I'd press 2 and then I was told message sent. Maybe she so dumb she never checked it.

I couldn't hold it anymore so I text her on whatsapp and I told her WTF I did to you please tell me? And I told her I blew $800 in 2 days with her and then she blocked me right there.

Shit I am so fu. Ing pissed right now. I'll get over it after I f. K a few AB girls. I got burned because if you do the math $800 buys a lot of pussy in Tijuana and because I trusted her I lost too much dough with her.

She always whined to me about I have to go to work and I don't want to. Was she trying to tell me something there?

[HorseTrader]

I guess you're wrong I got a lot more GFE for my money, that wasn't a problem for me at all. It is true I did end up sad with a broken heart but by my wallet is good.


I couldn't hold it anymore so I text her on whatsapp and I told her WTF I did to you please tell me? And I told her I blew $800 in 2 days with her and then she blocked me right there.

Shit I am so fu. Ing pissed right now. I'll get over it after I f. K a few AB girls. I got burned because if you do the math $800 buys a lot of pussy in Tijuana and because I trusted her I lost too much dough with her.
Now I'm confused. One post says you got a lot more GFE for your money and another says you got burned spending $800. Was it worth the money or not?

If it was worth the $800, then I'm happy for you. Otherwise, consider it an $800 lesson.

I'd like to know this girl's name. I'll nominate her for "Tijuana Hooker of the Year. " She has perfected the art of cash extraction.

[ClamSlammer]

This putas are idiots when it comes to milking guys out of maximum money. But they're smart when playing the game, if that makes any sense. Like I said before, an average looking puta with even average intelligence can swindle 10 x more than these mensas who don't know how to extract the cash. But I sense that your chica suspects you don't have any intention of giving her $400 and gifts. I think that she thinks that you are dangling a carrot in front of her just to meet her again. And that you're going to come up with some excuse and not give her what you promised. And she's right, for once.

[Member #4450]

, But I sense that your chica suspects you don't have any intention of giving her $400 and gifts. I think that she thinks that you are dangling a carrot in front of her just to meet her again. And that you're going to come up with some excuse and not give her what you promised. And she's right, for once.No CS that's no what really happened, she never asked me for more $ and she never quoted me anything. I really think she is not ready to have a real boyfriend.

Now read this and you're NOT going to believe it. I text her telling her I want to help to pay her debts I going to send money to you by Western Union or Moneygram but I need you to call or text me to talk to you, so let me know where to send it to.

Anyways, never ever got a reply from her, I was always generous with her so maybe she's just want me to find a good girl and not her.

I even offered her to pay her monthly rent every month she didn't give it a shit either so I am going back to find her and I need one last word from her because I am so f. Ing pissed.

[Member #4450]

What she does matters. What she does is telling. What she tells you does not matter.

If she tells you one thing, yet does something else.

It is what she does that is the truth, not what she tells you.

Best advice ever and it works.


It is what she does that is the truth, not what she tells you.The rest is bullshit Thanks man I owe you a beer!

[ReealDeal]

Hello,

I met a Tijuana hooker at Adelita bar. I am so in love with her. I give her money and I text her so much because I don't have a life and I'm so consumed with her that sometimes she blocks me. Sometimes I pay just to sleep with her. We don't even have sex. I wonder how hard and how many times a day she gets railed at Adelita when I'm not there. I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll look into getting a visa for her. Am I normal because I kind of feel like a pathetic fool. I must be a fool because who would actually think like this.

[Guitarrefreak]

No CS that's no what really happened, she never asked me for more $ and she never quoted me anything. I really think she is not ready to have a real boyfriend.

Now read this and you're NOT going to believe it. I text her telling her I want to help to pay her debts I going to send money to you by Western Union or Moneygram but I need you to call or text me to talk to you, so let me know where to send it to.

Anyways, never ever got a reply from her, I was always generous with her so maybe she's just want me to find a good girl and not her.

I even offered her to pay her monthly rent every month she didn't give it a shit either so I am going back to find her and I need one last word from her because I am so f. Ing pissed.Fact of the matter is many of these girls don't bother dealing with specific instructions, either be it they are lazy, stupid, both or just their perception is way different.

Enjoy the emotional rollercoaster, I have certainly being guilty of that at various points in my time down there, and no I am not being sarcastic here, everyone has something they get off to, and this happens to be your poision.

[Jjj101]

Hello,

I met a Tijuana hooker at Adelita bar. I am so in love with her. I give her money and I text her so much because I don't have a life and I'm so consumed with her that sometimes she blocks me. Sometimes I pay just to sleep with her. We don't even have sex. I wonder how hard and how many times a day she gets railed at Adelita when I'm not there. I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll look into getting a visa for her. Am I normal because I kind of feel like a pathetic fool. I must be a fool because who would actually think like this.Many of us are too jaded by past experience to feel like that anymore.

[Member #4450]

Hello,

I met a Tijuana hooker at Adelita bar. I am so in love with her. I give her money and I text her so much because I don't have a life and I'm so consumed with her that sometimes she blocks me. Sometimes I pay just to sleep with her. We don't even have sex. I wonder how hard and how many times a day she gets railed at Adelita when I'm not there. I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll look into getting a visa for her. Am I normal because I kind of feel like a pathetic fool. I must be a fool because who would actually think like this.Not funny but insulting oh wait you're a newbie and you didn't read this forum rules keep flaming and you'll be gone soon smart A.

[GolfSexRroll]

Not funny but insulting oh wait you're a newbie and you didn't read this forum rules keep flaming and you'll be gone soon smart A.Yeah, that was not very witty from a new guy on a board. If he thought that was witty? Sometimes we all disagree, but we all agree that it is OK to disagree, but not cool to flame!

[Phordphan]

I am done with her no mater how hard I tried she now blocked me on her whatsapp. She did block me on her Facebook first, this biatch is crazy why would she gave me all her phone numbers if she would not reply any.

I called her to leave a piece of mind on her cell because she pissed me off good now. I would never know why she done all of this but I do want to look for her one more time in AB to ask her why?

I will take as many AB girls upstairs while she is in there.

What bugs me the most is not knowing the reason why she did this to me, if she wants more money she needs to learn how to treat a client.

Maybe is because I never wire her money WTF who wires money to an AB girl. That to me sounds like take the money and run.

Anyway thread is closed.You also need to look at this from her standpoint. It's not always about the money, regardless of what everybody says. If what you've been saying is accurate, you're exhibiting all the traits of a PLM who has fallen very hard. Endless messages, promises of things, overpayment for nonsense like sleeping together, etc. Etc. These are all symptoms of the PLM. Almost everybody does it at one time or another, or we wouldn't have a name for it.

My point is that some girls like, and take advantage of, PLMs. Others don't need the headache of a guy who appears to be so needy. Based on your statements, she's telling you to go pound sand, but in a non confrontational way.

[TomJackin]

Others don't need the headache of a guy who appears to be so needy. If all this bullshit is true, which I doubt. Many girls don't care for men that act like a complete pussy.

[ReealDeal]

Not funny but insulting oh wait you're a newbie and you didn't read this forum rules keep flaming and you'll be gone soon smart A.Not sure I understand? The only person I insulted was myself by calling myself a pathetic loser. Do you have a complex or something? Funny when men talk about their status as a known member vs a newbie status. Now that's pathetic. Trust me I have banged out more than my fair share of putas I just don't need to post all the time and ask stupid questions to improve my post count. Believe me I'd rather be chatting with putas many of which try contacting me and I have to block them on Facebook. Maybe because I don't chase them?

[Baxter Slade]

I give her money and I text her so much because I don't have a life and I'm so consumed with her that sometimes she blocks meFirst you post that. And then you post this.

[OTE=ReealDeal;1705491]Not sure I understand? Believe me I'd rather be chatting with putas many of which try contacting me and I have to block them on Facebook. Maybe because I don't chase them? QUOTE].

I'm not sure I understand?

Ohhhh wait a second I think I just figured it out. Your posts are meant to be sarcastic. Thanks for the contributions.

[Jackie888]

Not sure I understand? The only person I insulted was myself by calling myself a pathetic loser. Do you have a complex or something? Funny when men talk about their status as a known member vs a newbie status. Now that's pathetic. Trust me I have banged out more than my fair share of putas I just don't need to post all the time and ask stupid questions to improve my post count. Believe me I'd rather be chatting with putas many of which try contacting me and I have to block them on Facebook. Maybe because I don't chase them?Most of your 10 posts to now is about you being an asshole.

How about actually contributing rather than being a fucking asshole?

Is that too fucking much to ask for?

[HorseTrader]

Ohhhh wait a second I think I just figured it out. Your posts are meant to be sarcastic. Thanks for the contributions.I very much like this post and the last post from Jackie888. They define that the members of this forum do not appreciate flaming of other members. In addition to this forum, I also participate in the USA Baltimore section, where there is no standard for civility. This is much better.

Please excuse me if I sometimes forget this is the Tijuana forum and I mistakenly write like I'm in Baltimore.

I like the Tijuana members accepting nature when it comes to newbies and to mongers who are sucked into the darker corners of this hobby.

[Member #4450]

You also need to look at this from her standpoint. It's not always about the money, regardless of what everybody says. If what you've been saying is accurate, you're exhibiting all the traits of a PLM who has fallen very hard. Endless messages, promises of things, overpayment for nonsense like sleeping together, etc. Etc. These are all symptoms of the PLM. Almost everybody does it at one time or another, or we wouldn't have a name for it.

My point is that some girls like, and take advantage of, PLMs. Others don't need the headache of a guy who appears to be so needy. Based on your statements, she's telling you to go pound sand, but in a non confrontational way.I understand what you mean, I don't think these girls can straight up their lives they have an addiction of sex for money and it is very hard to break. She probably doesn't know how to deal with a relation with a boyfriend, she even asked me if a man would ever date her if he finds out that she is a hooker, so she does have some psychological issue. I did get a bunch of replies from after I stop texting her but I decided just to see her in AB. Next time I see her I will buy her a few drinks and just go with the flow.

If she wants me as customer I guess I can stay with her just for the nice company. I don't think I overpaid because I just enjoyed her company and she's a great GFE with me that it feels like real which I think is a big plus,

[Jackie888]

Hornytrav -.

If I were you, I'd put her on a favorite list and look to have sex with her whenever I.

'm in town. If she's not available, I'd seek out my other favorites. In other words, keep it real simple.

[PurpleD]

So I haven't been down to la zona since the world cup was going on. I think I spent more time there over those couple of months then in my whole life. Had the time of my life. I met a lot of cool people and a shit load of cool ladies. I was there for about a week at a time. I would even venture out of La Zona with the chicas on there days off and when they weren't working. At no point in my stay did I ever feel unsafe. Walked around everywhere and anywhere and never had a problem or saw anything violent. I guess my question to you guys is if any of you have seen any increase in violence in Tijuana like they keep reporting on the news? I think I even passed by the TV and heard about a couple of guys getting shot at a taco stand. I'm a firm believer in if you're looking for trouble you're going to find it but I also believe in being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Been wanting to head down for a bit but haven't cause of all the news coverage. Any input is greatly appreciated.

[Jackie888]

Actually a Saturday report because Friday is a blurr by now. Since I spent most of my time in Tropicals yesterday, I was determined to spend time in HK tonight. Got there about 9 pm. Decided to get a VIP card since I was being fiscally responsible. HK was packed wall to wall. Unfortunately it was barely a 1:1 ratio of guys to girls. I has a ton of fun with my prudent use of $1 tips. Basically I spent a lot of time underneath the stairs between the front and back of the club. For an economical $1, I was able to feel up a chica and have her stroke me hard at the same time.

With a nice rock hard boner, I'd head staright to the alley and picked out the prettiest girl to have sex with. And with the VIP card, all of my agreed upon 20 minutes turned into 30+min sessions. Told you guys I was being fiscally reaponsible. I had no problem paying 400 pesos per gal. They in turn didn't resent me for trying to lowball them.

My only regret is that by the time 1 am rolled around, My favorite dancer Stephanie showed up. She is a tall blonde with fantastic legs and natural A boobs that would turn off some men but. Damn she is soooo beautiful in my eyes that I feel really self-conscious around her. Every time I see her walk by I get an intantaneous boner. Am I a romantic or what? But it was so crowded, even the waiters had to step outside to breath. So I took a walk around the block to Adelitas.

Not as crowded, but it was also nearly impossible to find a place to sit. There were some stunning girls. But the remainder seemed to share the same plastic surgeons. And boy they were tall and big. One walk around the place and I wandered to the Playboy club.

I think its calls the Playboy club. A real hole in the wall type of club. Met a real sweet 20 year old. Liked her alot. But the Playboy rules are a real pain in the ass. To take a girl upstairs, you have to buy a bucket of beer for $49. FUCK that shit. They all need go tale a day off and go spend a day at HK to see how to run a club. For all the crap I said about HK, I take it all back. I cannot stand the Fucking Mickey Mouse games these small operators play. I will never return to this tourist trap.

[Member #4450]

Can anyone tell me for sure if you can walk in to AB with a small backpack. I want to check the action before checking in to a hotel.

I don't care if they want to search my backpack I just have my travel pack and clothing, or I can just leave my bag in the coahuila hotel desk can you trust them?

[Member #4450]

I think its calls the Playboy club. A real hole in the wall type of club .Jackie excuse my ignorance but where's this Playboy club is it inside AB?

[ScatManDoo]

So I haven't been down to la zona since the world cup was going on. I think I spent more time there over those couple of months then in my whole life. Had the time of my life. I met a lot of cool people and a shit load of cool ladies. I was there for about a week at a time. I would even venture out of La Zona with the chicas on there days off and when they weren't working. At no point in my stay did I ever feel unsafe. Walked around everywhere and anywhere and never had a problem or saw anything violent. I guess my question to you guys is if any of you have seen any increase in violence in Tijuana like they keep reporting on the news? I think I even passed by the TV and heard about a couple of guys getting shot at a taco stand. I'm a firm believer in if you're looking for trouble you're going to find it but I also believe in being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Been wanting to head down for a bit but haven't cause of all the news coverage. Any input is greatly appreciated.There was a guy who supposedly ran the drug trade in La Zona (Luis Manuel Toscano Rodriguez aka "El Mono") that was gunned down next to a taco cart on Thursday. It was said that El Mono was the head of group that controlled drug distribution in LZ, which he ran with his brother, Cuate, and there currently is an expectation of more violence aong members of that group as tey fight internally for control of the drug trade in La Zona.

Add to that the increase the past few months of ratero muggings on the city block on Coahuila Ave. Directly east of the block containing the entrances of Adeliata & Hong Kong Bar. And this might not be the best time to be hanging out for hours on the streets of LZ in Tijuana.

[Jackie888]

Jackie excuse my ignorance but where's this Playboy club is it inside AB?Its a seperate club. As you exit Adelitas, go right (away from HK) . When you get to La Gloria Club at the first intersection, make a right again. It should be the first club you see. Literally a hole on the wall if it werent for the waiters ouside offering "no cover" charge (oh goody! IMHO, they operate like all the tourist traps on Revolution trying to nickle and dime you on everything. They essentially charge 90% of what Adelitas and HK charge yet delivering 25% the value. I was waiting for them to charge me $1 just for the right to fart.

To add, the room upstairs is borderline disgusting. $13 for 40 minutes. However, no towels. No soap. No air conditioning. 1/2 roll of toilet paper. The Shower either runs blistering cold or scalding hot. Thank God I always pack my own anti-bacterial wet naps when I travel here. Cascades is the Ritz Carlton compared to this place. Like I said, I take back everything Bad I've ever said about what the bigger clubs offer particularly HK. You get 40 minutes. But the reality is that you burn at least 15 minutes adjusting to the environment.

[Jackie888]

Can anyone tell me for sure if you can walk in to AB with a small backpack. I want to check the action before checking in to a hotel.

I don't care if they want to search my backpack I just have my travel pack and clothing, or I can just leave my bag in the coahuila hotel desk can you trust them?It really depends on whether the door guy know and are on friendly terms with. Sometimes I get frisk for no reason by newer guards. Other times I see people walk in with bags without being checked.

If you're really concerned, go over to the HK front desk. For $2 they will hold your backpack and give you a pick up ticket. I saw a couple of guys do this when I was buying my VIP pass.

[Member #4450]

Its a seperate club. As you exit Adelitas, go right (away from HK) . When you get to La Gloria Club at the first intersection, make a right again. It should be the first club you see. Literally a hole on the wall if it werent for the waiters ouside offering "no cover" charge (oh goody! IMHO, they operate like all the tourist traps on Revolution trying to nickle and dime you on everything. They essentially charge 90% of what Adelitas and HK charge yet delivering 25% the value. I was waiting for them to charge me $1 just for the right to fart.

To add, the room upstairs is borderline disgusting. $13 for 40 minutes. However, no towels. No soap. No air conditioning. 1/2 roll of toilet paper. The Shower either runs blistering cold or scalding hot. Thank God I always pack my own anti-bacterial wet naps when I travel here. Cascades is the Ritz Carlton compared to this place. Like I said, I take back everything Bad I've ever said about what the bigger clubs offer particularly HK. You get 40 minutes. But the reality is that you burn at least 15 minutes adjusting to the environment.LOL I think I would stay a few miles away from this Playboy club after reading this post.

[Drew996]

Man,

2 x in a row. What is going on down there? Been months after Christmas but the shakedowns are getting ridiculous. Drive down there again but this time was around 3 am and heading home to the US on Thursday night (Fri morning). Simple car with tinted windows.

Lights appear behind me and they ask my brother with me to step out with license / reg. They do a show and dance about taking me to the station and put my brother in the back of the cruiser to separate us. I give him a $20 and he says your under arrest. Frisks me some more and said you only offer a $20? I had another $21 in my front pocket and I said "Here's another $21" and he says he doesn't want the $1 and takes the $20 (WTF)? He let's my brother out of the car and we are on our way.

I think I'm parking down Revolution and walking to the Zona for a bit.

[Baxter Slade]

There was a guy who supposedly ran the drug trade in La Zona (Luis Manuel Toscano Rodriguez aka "El Mono") that was gunned down next to a taco cart on Thursday. It was said that El Mono was the head of group that controlled drug distribution in LZ, which he ran with his brother, Cuate, and there currently is an expectation of more violence aong members of that group as tey fight internally for control of the drug trade in La Zona.

Add to that the increase the past few months of ratero muggings on the city block on Coahuila Ave. Directly east of the block containing the entrances of Adeliata & Hong Kong Bar. And this might not be the best time to be hanging out for hours on the streets of LZ in Tijuana.Yes Scatman provided some very good and true intel in this post. Sunday I spent some time with a buddy who's job puts him out on the street right in the middle of zona norte 12 hours a day. And he said pretty much the same thing. He described it as even though the zona is such a small area, it is split up into different sections and while it is the same organization controlling the drug sales there is internal fighting going on over what people control what section, which has resulted in several recent killings. As we stood there he was pointing out to me who is who. Like that guy is a lookout for so and so. So as we mongers travel from bar to bar, to the naked eye the streets look crowded but there is a lot more going on. So at the present time its probably not a good time to be just hanging out on the street with the chance of becoming collateral damage.

He also mentioned that the bar owners are very aware of the recent rash of muggings, and are concerned since that kind of thing can have an effect on business. And they are working on fixing that problem, and it aint by discussing it with the police.

[Member #4450]

Why should I check out Hong Kong bar?

Believe it or not I've been going over 15 yrs to the zona but never ever went to HK bar, I've walked thru the front door but never went in.

Convince me why should I go to HK bar, seriously I only been to AB bar and the paraditas I just don't see a reason to go to other bars.

What am I missing in HK that you don't see in AB? I was told HK girls are more expensive to take to the room and the meseros are a pain and want you to buy a bucket of beer I just don't drink heavily and I watch my money.

My question is when you walk into HK can you just go in and grab a seat and get a drink or you have to buy a bucket? Also are the chicas pretty hot like AB are they doing only doing lap dances or I can take any girl I like arriba like AB?

What's it like during daytime on Tuesday or Wednesday?

Thanks in advance.

[Maha Siddha]

Hi amigos,

I have not been to Tijuana for a while and last time l used hotel primer the road is blocked so the taxi has to do a long detour. Do you guys know the road is still blocked?

Thanks

[Jackie888]

The girls in HK is the reason why you should experience HK. They are younger, fitter, less silicone, prettier. Theyre also less inhibited both in and out of bed. Many of them are really friendly and less jaded. Some are remarkable dancer and may you a boner before they even take off their clothes. You do pay 5-10% more. But you do get more value. You dont need to buy a bucket. I generally get a water from the xoxo store to quench my thirst before hand, then plant myself at the strip show seats without a drink but with stripper dollars in hand.

Btw, go through the back (alley) doors when it gets crowded to avoid lines. As to mid week visits, I'm tempted to take a visit one of these days.

[ScatManDoo]

Why should I check out Hong Kong bar?

Believe it or not I've been going over 15 yrs to the zona but never ever went to HK bar, I've walked thru the front door but never went in.

Convince me why should I go to HK bar, seriously I only been to AB bar and the paraditas I just don't see a reason to go to other bars.If you don't see any reason to go to other bars, then don't.

You've shown that you're not keen to follow anyone's advice if it differs from your prior inclination.

Stay with what has worked for you the last 15 years.

[Member #4450]

Great info Jackie Thanks man. Is the pick up a girl procedure same as AB I mean do you ask the girl to go to the hotel or do they approach to you. Do the dancers go to the hotel with you? How much are the beers for you and how much is her ficha drink?

And final how much is a room in Cascadas and for how long?

[Jackie888]

Great info Jackie Thanks man. Is the pick up a girl procedure same as AB I mean do you ask the girl to go to the hotel or do they approach to you. Do the dancers go to the hotel with you? How much are the beers for you and how much is her ficha drink?

And final how much is a room in Cascadas and for how long?The atmosphere is more "flirty" at HK. But the general rule is that for a $1 tip, you can go up to any pretty girl and feel her up. And you should otherwise they would look at you funny. And more often than not she will reciprocate and feel you up. You can ask to go up, or if you're shy she will hint it to you.

Some girls will approach you. Others will respect your space. I've had girls flirtatiously wink at me from across the room. And I've had girls drop their bottoms (tops often already off), jump in my lap, stick a tongue in my ears and tell that I can cum in their mouths for $80 and have their ass (anal) gor $100. All before I even introduce myself. There is a great variety here, in form and in personality.

I have never had a dancer turn me down. The most elite dancers will ask for a small premium, usually 20% more. But they are clearly elite and it is reasonable. Your conduct will also affect prices. For example if you are overly aggressive and finger or slap their ass when they dance, you may be quoted a 50% premium.

I think that beers are $5 for you and $8 for her on Friday & Saturday. A dollar less Sun. Thurs. But this is where your money evaporate the fastest. Drinks for the girls and the waiters who push them will empty your pockets faster than other form of payments. Whether having sex, tipping the girls, or getting a lap dance. I ve found that the best way to control this is tell the girls to drink Slow. But compensate her for her time by personally tip her more dollar bills, $1 every 5 minutes.

Rooms are $16 I believe. 30 minutes of time. You can also get a 20 min rental for $6. I use these for an alley girl, or when I just need to take a quick shower and freshen up (take a dump).

BTW, once you experience the HK club, you will look at Adelitas girls differently. Not better or worst. Just different.

[ClamSlammer]

Why should I check out Hong Kong bar?

Believe it or not I've been going over 15 yrs to the zona but never ever went to HK bar, I've walked thru the front door but never went in.

Convince me why should I go to HK bar, seriously I only been to AB bar and the paraditas I just don't see a reason to go to other bars.

What am I missing in HK that you don't see in AB? I was told HK girls are more expensive to take to the room and the meseros are a pain and want you to buy a bucket of beer I just don't drink heavily and I watch my money.

My question is when you walk into HK can you just go in and grab a seat and get a drink or you have to buy a bucket? Also are the chicas pretty hot like AB are they doing only doing lap dances or I can take any girl I like arriba like AB?

What's it like during daytime on Tuesday or Wednesday?

Thanks in advance.HK and AB have roughly the same amount of hot chicas on any given night. Difference is HK has about triple the amount of average looking chicas so it's more dense with chicas. HK chicas are generally better behaved. AB chicas are more business like and want to go arriba right away. HK chicas tend to party / drink and enjoy the company of their clients / friends more. Many AB chicas will lock eyes with you from a distance and just motion upstairs. I've never had a HK chica do that. HK chicas will sit and talk with you and wait for the mesero. AB chicas as soon as they sit they will say "one drink for me?" And if you say no they will go on their way. If you say "yes" they will start flagging down a mesero like they were flagging down a Coast Guard chopper while floating in the middle of the Atlantic. There seems to be more silicone and ass implants at AB than HK. You never have to buy a bucket. Weekdays are much better than weekends where it's just too crowded and hot to enjoy yourself as much.

[Member #4450]

If you say "yes" they will start flagging down a mesero like they were flagging down a Coast Guard chopper while floating in the middle of the Atlantic. LOL that's a scary sight for me I kayak fishing about 1/2 mile into the ocean and the coast guard and the man with the grey suit is always in my mind!

Thanks for info guys next time I will venture into HK the girls will start asking me you're new right? Have ever been here before.

[Member #4450]

The atmosphere is more "flirty" at HK. you can go up to any pretty girl and feel her u$1 every 5 minutes.I am not rich as you so I will stick to $1 every 10 minutes.

Reminds me Las Vegas video poker LOL.

[Member #4450]

If you don't see any reason to go to other bars, then don't.

You've shown that you're not keen to follow anyone's advice if it differs from your prior inclination.

Stay with what has worked for you the last 15 years.Wow man calm down!! Who are you my dad? Take it easy man and take your medication.

I was asking for simple information between AB and HK I think you're over the line and getting a little aggressive with your comment.

Let's keep it fun and friendly.

[Jackie888]

Clam described it perfectly. An AB girl is all business. They size you up within 10 seconds whether you're worth their time. Funny but I could tell immdiately which girl just jumped ship and came over fresh from AB to work for HK. They really look out of place. Like a monger in Tijuana for the first time.

[Member #4450]

Clam described it perfectly. An AB girl is all business. They size you up within 10 seconds whether you're worth their time. Funny but I could tell immdiately which girl just jumped ship and came over fresh from AB to work for HK. They really look out of place. Like a monger in Tijuana for the first time.I've been told different from an AB girl, she told me she used to work in HK and hated it because guys will finger her while dancing and a lot of touching with dirty hands and she moved to AB.

Like paraditas don't work the clubs because of different reasons including cigarette smoke, loud music and been push to ficha drinks.

[Jackie888]

I've been told different from an AB girl, she told me she used to work in HK and hated it because guys will finger her while dancing and a lot of touching with dirty hands and she moved to AB.

Like paraditas don't work the clubs because of different reasons including cigarette smoke, loud music and been push to ficha drinks.Yeah that is true too. Some Unscrupulous mongers do go too far with their fingers, completely ignorant that theyre causing scar tissue damage with their dirty nails. But hey, if you're a semi-gentleman who tips the dancers while not playing gynochology, you are going to get a Ton of attention from the girls.

[Member #4450]

Yeah that is true too. Some Unscrupulous mongers do go too far with their fingers, completely ignorant that theyre causing scar tissue damage with their dirty nails. But hey, if you're a semi-gentleman who tips the dancers while not playing gynecology, you are going to get a Ton of attention from the girls.I do gentle like to touch their pussies but palm touching not using the fingers, I think is not right to poke their holes and you can hurt them too if they're dry.

Forget about the fingers and just use the f. Ing tongue LOL!

[BadIdea]

I like Ab better, but HK is not a bad place. For me HK is a more carnival type atmosphere. More college kids, louder music more DJ, etc. Girls in HK are less aggressive. If you have a hard time looking a pretty face in the eyes and saying "no", then stay out of AB.

That said the reason I like AB is that there is less carnival and if you can say no, you can find some quality girls. I have a few rules about girls. I won't approach a girl. I like GFE. I want a girl that can at least pretend well that she's having a good time. I'm overweight and I know many girls are really turned off by that. So by making them approach me I eliminate the ones that are going to be less GFE with me. This does not ensure quality girls, but it eliminates some of the bad ones. In HK this can mean that you are waiting a long time for a girl to come to you. They are less aggressive, so they expect you to go to them.

I use the Ficha drinks as a filter to eliminate more girls. In AB they will immediately ask you buy them a drink, then if you say no they will ask you to go upstairs. If a girl is what I'm looking for body wise and I get a good feeling I will buy the drink. But only if I have a good place to sit with her. When her drink arrives I start to feel her up (friendly playful way not aggressive). If a girl slams down the drink and says lets go to the room immediately. Well she's not going to take her time in the room either! If however she is responsive to touches, drinks slowly and tires to have a conversation. Then I know that its possible I will have a good time. My Spanish is horrible, but if I try they do to.

At AB I negotiate to $60 for an hour. If a girl is having a hard time with that price I say that I already bought her a drink, and that if she's very good I will tip. This usually works. I have a good time with about 75% of the girls this way. I usually buy about 2-3 drinks for every girl I go up to the room with. But I've avoided some real hot looking clock watchers.

But really the forums don't do these places justice. You have to go there. Once you're there you will pretty quickly figure out which is the right place for you. Trust me you can have a great time in both places. And you can also have a crappy time in both. But usually for different reasons.

[Donorita]

I do gentle like to touch their pussies but palm touching not using the fingers, I think is not right to poke their holes and you can hurt them too if they're dry.

Forget about the fingers and just use the f. Ing tongue LOL!The biggest difference between the clubs AD and HK is defined in two words shaving cream! With that said, during the show some finger insertion is expected if not encouraged. I've seen many guys try to stick a finger up the girls ass but that is politely (or not) refused. I'm sure it happens, I just haven't seen it. Wild things can and do happen when shaving cream is involved! I always get a room at Cascadas, BG's from at least 3 bars will go there as well as SG's. Three or four girls and it pays for itself plus there is no "hotel time limit" and it gives you a place to chill out between pops. You can also get coupons for half priced rooms early in the week if you buy a $22 bucket of beer (10-12 I think). I've also taken these beers into HK and LC's just use the back entrances and don't let it be seen on the street. You can also get 2 for 1 coupons for beer at HK or LC. If you use the coupons they will act like they have never seen one before but they will eventually honor it.

[Member #4450]

What's up with some of the girls in the alley. I had a couple of girls they were avoiding eye contact with me. I asked another paradita what's up with some of these girl attitude and she told me they're too stupid because they only looking for hot young guys and they don't know how to do business.

[BadIdea]

There is a consistently fast way across the border. Its called a motorcycle. You filter up to the checkpoint and politely ask to be let in. Most drivers will let you in. Like 10 minutes tops. Of course parking in Tijuana is the risky bit. I stayed at the Plazcio Azteca that has good parking for bikes in the garage.

I'm surprised that there is not some business that rents them to take across. Could make a killing renting out 125 CC scooters to take across the border. If I lived local I'd have some piece of trash bike to take back and forth.

[Jackie888]

What's up with some of the girls in the alley. I had a couple of girls they were avoiding eye contact with me. I asked another paradita what's up with some of these girl attitude and she told me they're too stupid because they only looking for hot young guys and they don't know how to do business.They used to treat me like a leper when I first frequented the alleys. It took months of running back and forth between all the dive bars in the alley before they remembered my face. Then all of the sudden I can't get them to shut up every time I go through the alley. Its really a matter of safety to them. But once you're in, you're in because chicks talk and the word gets around real fast of who you are.

[ClamSlammer]

I've been told different from an AB girl, she told me she used to work in HK and hated it because guys will finger her while dancing and a lot of touching with dirty hands and she moved to AB.

Like paraditas don't work the clubs because of different reasons including cigarette smoke, loud music and been push to ficha drinks.I agree with that. HK girls are raunchier and more exhibitionist. They'll let you get away with way more than a AB girl. My first visit to HK ever an 18 year old sat with me and forced me to finger her while I consistently refused to buy her a ficha. My friend received a brief BBBJ while sitting across the table from me. I don't think he bought a ficha neither. It was a slow night, maybe a Tuesday. Never had something like that happen to me again.

[ScatManDoo]

Hi amigos,

I have not been to Tijuana for a while and last time l used hotel primer the road is blocked so the taxi has to do a long detour. Do you guys know the road is still blocked?

ThanksDuring March the road overpass was completed, so now travel time to get to Premier is short and back to normal.

[Rohan Cid]

With all shakedown stories I've been hearing about recently, I'll have to take a taxi next time I go. Which one do you folks recommend?

[Member #4450]

With all shakedown stories I've been hearing about recently, I'll have to take a taxi next time I go. Which one do you folks recommend?I take either Yellow Cab or The Libre, I think the Yellow cab cars are in better shape and more comfortable, the Libre are Ok when they have working suspension shocks, struts.

Don't pay more than $5 from the border to the zona. Always ask the driver how much before.

[Jackie888]

The Yellow Cabs used to have a big sign saying $10 a couple of months ago as I crossed the first bridge. When they approached me and I saw the sign, I laughed so hard that they were all embarrassed. I couldn't help it. I flat out told them that the $10 was for tourists. Nowadays, they stop asking. I always flash a 50 pesos bills to the white cabbies. If they even look at it cross-eyed, I pass them up and go to the next one. I don't re-negotiate, I don't go back because the cabbie changed his mind and will take my measly 50 pesos. And I don't tip.

I find that one has to control the cabbies a bit. Otherwise, the they tend to take you for a ride to God knows where.

(50 pesos is about $3.50, a fair price for about 2 miles to the Zone)

[GolfSexRroll]

The Yellow Cabs used to have a big sign saying $10 a couple of months ago as I crossed the first bridge. When they approached me and I saw the sign, I laughed so hard that they were all embarrassed. I couldn't help it. I flat out told them that the $10 was for tourists. Nowadays, they stop asking. I always flash a 50 pesos bills to the white cabbies. If they even look at it cross-eyed, I pass them up and go to the next one. I don't re-negotiate, I don't go back because the cabbie changed his mind and will take my measly 50 pesos. And I don't tip.

I find that one has to control the cabbies a bit. Otherwise, the they tend to take you for a ride to God knows where.

(50 pesos is about $3.50, a fair price for about 2 miles to the Zone)

I remember it, and saw the people going to the busses. I believe it was 10 pesos. If it was $10 they would put $10 dll. I do believe that was a sign for the "colectivo" (bus / taxi) to specific parts of centro. I m sure it was not $10 USD!

[GolfSexRroll]

I take either Yellow Cab or The Libre, I think the Yellow cab cars are in better shape and more comfortable, the Libre are Ok when they have working suspension shocks, struts.

Don't pay more than $5 from the border to the zona. Always ask the driver how much before.You go up to the driver and you tell him 40 pesos. Depending upon the day and time of day / he will say get in or negotiate. Pretty much everything in Mexico is: you start the process, and let the game begin. It is what it is. After going to Mexico for a while you will never get fucked buying a car again!

[ClamSlammer]

I always flash a 50 pesos bills to the white cabbies. If they even look at it cross-eyed, I pass them up and go to the next one. I don't re-negotiate, I don't go back because the cabbie changed his mind and will take my measly 50 pesos. And I don't tip.

I find that one has to control the cabbies a bit. Otherwise, the they tend to take you for a ride to God knows where.

(50 pesos is about $3.50, a fair price for about 2 miles to the Zone)Exactly what I do except I don't flash $50 mx, I just say "cincuenta" and if they don't say "si" right away I move on to the next one and don't look back even if I can hear him trying to chase me down.

[Baxter Slade]

I have always offered the taxi libres $3 from the border to the Zona. And then all of a sudden last week every taxi I tried wanted $4 . Maybe price fixing? But the remedy turned out to be offering 50 pesos (a bit over $3) which was happily accepted.

I had been taking the bus for 50 cents. But with the increase in shakedowns and muggings its probably best to limit your exposure on the streets.

[ScatManDoo]

I have always offered the taxi libres $3 from the border to the Zona. And then all of a sudden last week every taxi I tried wanted $4 . Maybe price fixing? But the remedy turned out to be offering 50 pesos (a bit over $3) which was happily accepted.

I had been taking the bus for 50 cents. But with the increase in shakedowns and muggings its probably best to limit your exposure on the streets.I too liked the 5 pesos buses, but with the recent negative changes in LZ, it is not such a great option at the present time.

Where you pick the buses up by the border is not the problem (they are accessed in the middle of an intersection just past the pick-up line for taxi libres).

But those big yellow buses take you to the corner of Primera (1st street) and Constitution before continuing west on Primera.

That place nowadays is not a good starting point for a one or two block stroll to wherever you're headed in LZ with your pockets full of all your cita money.

These days it is much better to just take a cab directly to your intended hotel or bar.

[JPF]

I have the opposite approach from HornyTraveler regarding taxis. I never ask how much and just tell get in the cab. When I get there I hand them 50 pesos and say gracias. I have never had one complain or say anything about what I gave him or her.

[Member #4450]

I ask before to avoid any scam or any confrontation later with the driver maybe he calling the cops on me for not paying enough. Just like the chicas I ask "before" closing the deal.

I've been doing this for more than 15 years never had a problem and never paid more than $5 including the tip.

[Artisttyp]

I too liked the 5 pesos buses, but with the recent negative changes in LZ, it is not such a great option at the present time.

Where you pick the buses up by the border is not the problem (they are accessed in the middle of an intersection just past the pick-up line for taxi libres).

But those big yellow buses take you to the corner of Primera (1st street) and Constitution before continuing west on Primera.

That place nowadays is not a good starting point for a one or two block stroll to wherever you're headed in LZ with your pockets full of all your cita money.

These days it is much better to just take a cab directly to your intended hotel or bar.There are 5 peso buses that will leave you on calle 5 and madero. One block from Revolucion. Its hard to explain where to catch them. Maybe two blocks from where the taxis are. Going back to the border you can hop the 5 peso bus across the street from MC Donalds at the back entrance of Plaza Santa Cecilia. The Gay Plaza.

[ScatManDoo]

I have the opposite approach from HornyTraveler regarding taxis. I never ask how much and just tell get in the cab. When I get there I hand them 50 pesos and say gracias. I have never had one complain or say anything about what I gave him or her.JFP,

I'm glad that this approach has so far worked well for you, but I would be hesitant to try it.

JPF manner of "no negotiation" is probably not well suited for Mexico and especially the culture of service providers in Tijuana (including taxi service).

As a voracious reader reader of these Tijuana forums, over the years I have read hundreds, maybe even thousands, of reports where Tijuana vendors and service providers attempt to scam their customer (locals and gringos alike). I've also heard scores of first hand reports from fellow mongers who have endured disagreements with Tijuana vendors over fees and / or services rendered. Have you ever heard the term "Tijuana Hustle"? A very common ploy is attempts by servers and business owners to take advantage of non-specified terms (and many times even dishonestly changing the fees and terms of agreed upon deals that were specified).

I glad this has worked out every time for you JPF, but I would never agree to accept services (like taxi rides or other services) in Tijuana without a clear meeting of the minds as to what the total costs will be. And I wouldn't recommend your strategy to others.

[ScatManDoo]

There are 5 peso buses that will leave you on calle 5 and madero. One block from Revolucion. Its hard to explain where to catch them. Maybe two blocks from where the taxis are. Going back to the border you can hop the 5 peso bus across the street from MC Donalds at the back entrance of Plaza Santa Cecilia. The Gay Plaza.Thanks, that would be 2nd street.

But if my final destination in Tijuana was a bar or hotel in La Zona, these other bus lines / routes would require even farther walks.

I've been going to LZ for the last 10 1/2 years. And I've always been tapped into the intel. From the ground since I've always read Tijuana hooker boards since a time even before my first visit to La Zona. In this time frame there have been periods of great danger on the streets and periods of time with relatively good safety. Right now we are in time period of heightened danger from both rateros AND the policia.

It is prudent right now to take taxis directly to wherever you are going in Tijuana, especially locations in La Zona.

[Baxter Slade]

. The Gay Plaza.Who is going to confirm that?

[Rohan Cid]

Getting a taxi there looks simple but where do you catch one to get back to the border?

[GolfSexRroll]

Getting a taxi there looks simple but where do you catch one to get back to the border?They are EVERYWHERE. Taxis that is! Stand in one spot outside of either entrance to Hong Kong, and they will beep, siren, or have a guy outside of the cab screaming TAXI!

[Kkreeac]

I was in Tijuana last year and spent a fantastic 11 hours. Which included 2 different girls and copious amounts of alcohol. For that excursion I booked the cheapest room at the hk hotel. Was in at 8 pm and left 7 am spending about 3 hours total in the room.

I'm get the honor and luxury of getting another trip down south but this time for 3 days. I was wondering if anyone has stayed at the hk hotel in a longer term basis? Ie more than a day or 2. Do you think my stuff will be safe, is it up to the mark on cleanliness? Etc? Basically would you recommend it for a 3 day stay? I figured I'd spring for a more expensive room this time.

Anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Kkreeac

Stay safe and play safe.

[Jackie888]

I'm SO STRESSED BECAUSE OF TAX DAY!

I seriously need a naked chica on each lap to lower my blood pressure.

Wonder which section I could take a deduction on all the chica propinas.

[Super Gato]

Getting a taxi there looks simple but where do you catch one to get back to the border?Taxi Libre owns the concession in front of Hong Kong. You stand in front of the club for less than a minute and you'll get a taxi.

Yellow Taxi owns the concession in front of Adelita.

Outside of the designated taxi stands in front of the bars, you can flag down a moving taxi quickly. In most cases available taxis will flag you down. The drivers will honk and aask if you need a ride.

The only time this isn't the case is during a rainstorm when all taxis in cities around the world become invisible.

[Artisttyp]

Who is going to confirm that?Its all you buddy. Let us know how it goes.

[The Tall Man]

I was in Tijuana last year and spent a fantastic 11 hours. Which included 2 different girls and copious amounts of alcohol. For that excursion I booked the cheapest room at the hk hotel. Was in at 8 pm and left 7 am spending about 3 hours total in the room.

I'm get the honor and luxury of getting another trip down south but this time for 3 days. I was wondering if anyone has stayed at the hk hotel in a longer term basis? Ie more than a day or 2. Do you think my stuff will be safe, is it up to the mark on cleanliness? Etc? Basically would you recommend it for a 3 day stay? I figured I'd spring for a more expensive room this time.

Anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Kkreeac

Stay safe and play safe.Yes stayed many times for 1 to 4 days, never a problem. Just DON'T bring any valuables, just your change of cloths and a few personal items and you will be fine.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[Drew996]

I'm SO STRESSED BECAUSE OF TAX DAY!

I seriously need a naked chica on each lap to lower my blood pressure.

Wonder which section I could take a deduction on all the chica propinas.Yeah, It's in ScheduleC (own business) section 24 for Travel (Cascada & Gas) and Meals (Don't we all like to eat the chicas?).

[Donorita]

I was in Tijuana last year and spent a fantastic 11 hours. Which included 2 different girls and copious amounts of alcohol. For that excursion I booked the cheapest room at the hk hotel. Was in at 8 pm and left 7 am spending about 3 hours total in the room.

I'm get the honor and luxury of getting another trip down south but this time for 3 days. I was wondering if anyone has stayed at the hk hotel in a longer term basis? Ie more than a day or 2. Do you think my stuff will be safe, is it up to the mark on cleanliness? Etc? Basically would you recommend it for a 3 day stay? I figured I'd spring for a more expensive room this time.

Anyone's thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Kkreeac

Stay safe and play safe.I've stayed about 8 times in the past two years and have never had a problem. My only issue has been poor AC function from fall to spring. Find a Las Chavales coupon for half price rooms with the purchase of a bucket of ten beers for about $22. I live in Texas and will be back on May 19.

[Jackie888]

It's Tax day +1.

Barely survived.

So I'm playing hooky and will be spending today in Tijuana (mostly HK and Adelitas).

Let me know if you guys want a special report on a Thursday visit. I've not been down here in the middle of the week in a decade.

[Member #4450]

Does anyone know how much ficha money AB girls must make in a working day, I was told by an AB girl $150 dollars, that sounds too much to me is this accurate?

At $8 a drink they need to buy like 19 drinks? Also what happens if the girl cannot cover the daily minimum amount do they have to pay from their own pocket to cover the rest?

[HorseTrader]

Does anyone know how much ficha money AB girls must make in a working day, I was told by an AB girl $150 dollars, that sounds too much to me is this accurate?

At $8 a drink they need to buy like 19 drinks? Also what happens if the girl cannot cover the daily minimum amount do they have to pay from their own pocket to cover the rest?I have to believe that $150 per shift is far higher than reality for a typical AB or HK girl. My memory may be failing me, but I remember girls telling me that they make between $3 and $4 per drink. Even at $4 per drink, it would take 37 drinks per shift to make $150 per shift. For an 8 hour shift, that comes to one drink every 13 minutes. When I look around AB or HK, most of the girls are waiting for a customer to spend money. They certainly aren't averaging one drink every 13 minutes.

My guess is the hotter HK and AB girls average closer to $75 per shift for fichas. The average ones would make much less. There seems to be a higher ratio of customers to girls at night, so I expect the night shift girls make more drinks than the day shift girls.

A girl telling you $150 per shift isn't surprising. She wants you to think her time is valuable so you will kick in your share of $150.

[BadIdea]

I have to believe that $150 per shift is far higher than reality for a typical AB or HK girl. My memory may be failing me, but I remember girls telling me that they make between $3 and $4 per drink. Even at $4 per drink, it would take 37 drinks per shift to make $150 per shift. For an 8 hour shift, that comes to one drink every 13 minutes. When I look around AB or HK, most of the girls are waiting for a customer to spend money. They certainly aren't averaging one drink every 13 minutes.

My guess is the hotter HK and AB girls average closer to $75 per shift for fichas. The average ones would make much less. There seems to be a higher ratio of customers to girls at night, so I expect the night shift girls make more drinks than the day shift girls.

A girl telling you $150 per shift isn't surprising. She wants you to think her time is valuable so you will kick in your share of $150.They don't make money on the drinks. The girls have a tax that they must pay that is based on the number of times they got to a room. 0-1 times in a room is like 3 or 4 fichas. 2 times; 5 or 6. It keeps going up the more they manage to get to a room. So if a girl is not going up at all she's going to end up owing 3 or 4 fichas, that she has to pay for if she doesn't have.

So when you are negotiating the price upstairs she's busy counting fichas so she knows if she's making money. No fichas and you offer her $40. She's liable to say no. She has a few fichas' in her pocket and she might say yes. I have a feeling there is a sweet spot here. Often wondered if I buy a ficha am I likely to do better on the negotiations.

[Member #4450]

I have to believe that $150 per shift is far higher than reality for a typical AB or HK girl. My memory may be failing me, but I remember girls telling me that they make between $3 and $4 per drink. Even at $4 per drink, it would take 37 drinks per shift to make $150 per shift. For an 8 hour shift, that comes to one drink every 13 minutes. When I look around AB or HK, most of the girls are waiting for a customer to spend money. They certainly aren't averaging one drink every 13 minutes.

My guess is the hotter HK and AB girls average closer to $75 per shift for fichas. The average ones would make much less. There seems to be a higher ratio of customers to girls at night, so I expect the night shift girls make more drinks than the day shift girls.

A girl telling you $150 per shift isn't surprising. She wants you to think her time is valuable so you will kick in your share of $150.OK so the question is what is the minimum she needs to pay to the bar so she leave her shift early. I just want to see if I can pay her daily fichas drinks all in once and take her with me somewhere else outside the zona.

The girls must finish their shift and pay the minimum drinks before they can leave. Am I wrong here?

[Member #4450]

They don't make money on the drinks. The girls have a tax that they must pay that is based on the number of times they got to a room. 0-1 times in a room is like 3 or 4 fichas. 2 times; 5 or 6. It keeps going up the more they manage to get to a room. So if a girl is not going up at all she's going to end up owing 3 or 4 fichas, that she has to pay for if she doesn't have.

So when you are negotiating the price upstairs she's busy counting fichas so she knows if she's making money. No fichas and you offer her $40. She's liable to say no. She has a few fichas' in her pocket and she might say yes. I have a feeling there is a sweet spot here. Often wondered if I buy a ficha am I likely to do better on the negotiations.Sorry I still don't understand. I just want to know if I pay her all the fichas early she can leave with me for the rest of the day and how much that would be?

Thanks in advance.

[BadIdea]

OK so the question is what is the minimum she needs to pay to the bar so she leave her shift early. I just want to see if I can pay her daily fichas drinks all in once and take her with me somewhere else outside the zona.

The girls must finish their shift and pay the minimum drinks before they can leave. Am I wrong here?I think you're probably better off with "todo la noche" in the zone on the night you meet her and getting her number for further evenings. For the non-traveling girls at least, not going to the bar, and so not owing Fichas is going to mean a lower price for you. Also girls want to know you are safe. They all know a girl that's been beat up by some one. They don't want to be next.

My MILF only needed $120 for todo, but first she called down to ask how many fichas she was going to owe becuase of it. Her shift was over at 7 am, I think it was about 3 am when I offered her $120. She left at about 9:30 am as we slept in and had a good time in the AM. This was in AB.

I suspect that the traveling girls may have to be there certain nights, or not be able to come back. Not sure. I do know that many of the traveling gals try to get escort dates before their shifts to make extra cash. Lots of ads are for early hours only.

[BadIdea]

Sorry I still don't understand. I just want to know if I pay her all the fichas early she can leave with me for the rest of the day and how much that would be?

Thanks in advance.I don't think there are going to be hard and fast rules. Going to depend on the girl and the night. And more importantly you.

I doubt any girl would do this unless you had been up with them to a room at least once.

If your good looking, respectful, and know how to screw well. Should be easy. I've got 2 out of 3. If you've got none. Probably not happening no matter the price.

Some girls are making $25 a night. Others probably $350.

I'd imagine that $300 would get most of the girls out of a bar.

[Member #4450]

I think you're probably better off with "todo la noche" in the zone on the night you meet her and getting her number for further evenings. For the non-traveling girls at least, not going to the bar, and so not owing Fichas is going to mean a lower price for you. Also girls want to know you are safe. They all know a girl that's been beat up by some one. They don't want to be next.

My MILF only needed $120 for todo, but first she called down to ask how many fichas she was going to owe becuase of it. Her shift was over at 7 am, I think it was about 3 am when I offered her $120. She left at about 9:30 am as we slept in and had a good time in the AM. This was in AB.

I suspect that the traveling girls may have to be there certain nights, or not be able to come back. Not sure. I do know that many of the traveling gals try to get escort dates before their shifts to make extra cash. Lots of ads are for early hours only.Most girls are all fu. Ed up after the end of their shift, this means either drunk, exhausted, and screwed by 20 not my cup of tea to eat the leftover if you know what I mean. This girl starts at 12 Noon leaves at 7 P she will probably make me pop once and go to sleep the rest of the night they usually complain of being tired and they leave the room by 5 AM that was my experience for $200 no way. I rather get her fresh before the shift if its possible.

[Member #4450]

I don't think there are going to be hard and fast rules. Going to depend on the girl and the night. And more importantly you.

I doubt any girl would do this unless you had been up with them to a room at least once.

If your good looking, respectful, and know how to screw well. Should be easy. I've got 2 out of 3. If you've got none. Probably not happening no matter the price.

I was looking more like "All Day" instead of TLN. I like a Fresh clean girl. Yes I was with her on a TLN twice but it was after her shift. The thing is she still complains that she has to go to work and she can only be with me after her shift but never before, when I asked her can you just not work today she replies she can get fired from AB.

To make things worse she gets up at 5 Am and leaves the room like it is on fire not a chance for a morning pop. I think if I can have her during the day time things can get hotter.

[Phordphan]

I was looking more like "All Day" instead of TLN. I like a Fresh clean girl. Yes I was with her on a TLN twice but it was after her shift. The thing is she still complains that she has to go to work and she can only be with me after her shift but never before, when I asked her can you just not work today she replies she can get fired from AB.

To make things worse she gets up at 5 Am and leaves the room like it is on fire not a chance for a morning pop. I think if I can have her during the day time things can get hotter.Last things first. You're probably NOT going to get an all-day, unless it's her day off. The bars, especially AB, are very strict on the girls' work schedules. IIRC, they work a 12-hour shift at AB. They must show up. If not, it's adios. Believe it or not, they don't let just any girl who wanders by work there, and I don't think they need a reputation as someone who doesn't show up for work. I'm sure word gets around between bar owners. Of course, exceptions are made for the really high earners.

You can buy a girl out of the bar, but it is expensive. I've got on to leave once, and it was a long song-and-dance. I won't bore you with it here. I've never received a "straight" number from any of the bars, but it's always been in the $200 neighborhood. Forking over $200 just to pay the salida, then another $200 - $300, or whatever, to her, winds up to be an awfully expensive night. It's your money, spend it how you want, but it sure doesn't seem to be a good value.

On that same note, this isn't Asia, where it's easy to take a girl out of the bar all night. First, the bars highly discourage that (see salida prices above). A bar full of girls = happy customers who spend money. Second, few girls will actually do this until they know you. Sadly, there are a lot of weirdos out there, and they find the bodies of the girls in motels from time to time.

As far as fichas go, yes. Each bar seems to have their own rules but they are all variations on the same theme. The girls have a minimum number of fichas they need to get. Whether it's a minimum for the night, or minimum numbers before one can go arriba, tends to vary by bar. But yes, it's all true. If it weren't, the girls would simply use the bar as a place to meet customers.

[TomJackin]

As far as fichas go, yes. Each bar seems to have their own rules but they are all variations on the same theme. The girls have a minimum number of fichas they need to get. Whether it's a minimum for the night, or minimum numbers before one can go arriba, tends to vary by bar. But yes, it's all true. If it weren't, the girls would simply use the bar as a place to meet customers.In Hong Kong, there is no minimum number of fichas before the girl goes to the hotel.

BTW, from each $8 drink, the girls makes 34 pesos.

[Phordphan]

In Hong Kong, there is no minimum number of fichas before the girl goes to the hotel.

BTW, from each $8 drink, the girls makes 34 pesos.A girl I know, who used to work there a few years ago, said they had a minimum they needed before being allowed to go arriba, but you could skate by (the girl) tipping the doorman a couple of bux. I'm sure that this information is probably outdated.

However, I wonder how HK "enforces" the "hustle drinks" policy? It can't just be the pesky meseros. If they don't have some sort of ficha policy, I wonder why anybody buys them?

And it figures. They raise the ficha price to $8, and raise the chica's share a whopping 4 pesos. What a bunch of greedy fuckers. I've been told by somebody who at least sounds like a person who should know, that the pony beers cost the bars noting. They're provided by the manufacturer (Tecate, usually) for free.

[HorseTrader]

A girl I know, who used to work there a few years ago, said they had a minimum they needed before being allowed to go arriba, but you could skate by (the girl) tipping the doorman a couple of bux. I'm sure that this information is probably outdated.
There have been times when I've bought a girl a drink just moments after her arrival and then taken her arriba. In those cases, I'm sure the girl had only a single drink before going upstairs. This would have been early afternoon; perhaps the evening rules are different.

[Jackie888]

If I owned a club, I would pay the girls some sort of draw. Here's $40 for your shift. But you have to sell 4 to cover, otherwise you have to give some of it back. But you keep all your tips and Arriba money. Above 4 drinks, you start earning a commission of 34 pesos.

[Member #4450]

Last things first. You're probably NOT going to get an all-day, unless it's her day off. The bars, especially AB, are very strict on the girls' work schedules. IIRC, they work a 12-hour shift at AB. They must show up. If not, it's adios. Believe it or not, they don't let just any girl who wanders by work there, and I don't think they need a reputation as someone who doesn't show up for work. I'm sure word gets around between bar owners. Of course, exceptions are made for the really high earners.

You can buy a girl out of the bar, but it is expensive. I've got on to leave once, and it was a long song-and-dance. I won't bore you with it here. I've never received a "straight" number from any of the bars, but it's always been in the $200 neighborhood. Forking over $200 just to pay the salida, then another $200 - $300, or whatever, to her, winds up to be an awfully expensive night. It's your money, spend it how you want, but it sure doesn't seem to be a good value.

On that same note, this isn't Asia, where it's easy to take a girl out of the bar all night. First, the bars highly discourage that (see salida prices above). A bar full of girls = happy customers who spend money. Second, few girls will actually do this until they know you. Sadly, there are a lot of weirdos out there, and they find the bodies of the girls in motels from time to time.

As far as fichas go, yes. Each bar seems to have their own rules but they are all variations on the same theme. The girls have a minimum number of fichas they need to get. Whether it's a minimum for the night, or minimum numbers before one can go arriba, tends to vary by bar. But yes, it's all true. If it weren't, the girls would simply use the bar as a place to meet customers.Is a pretty penny. Thank you for clarifying that for me. If I have to pay the bar $200 in order for her to leave her shift, Is this means she have to make a total of $200 for the bar at the end of her shift ?

[ScatManDoo]

The size of salida fees (to take out a chica from a bar before her shift ends in Tijuana bars) seems to vary greatly.

It seems to vary bar to bar, sometimes it varies day to day at the same bar. It seems to vary by chica and time left on her shift.

And it seems to be negotiable some times and not negotiable at other times.

I believe the salida amount is based on a quick evaluation made by the doorman who tries to size the monger up for the maximum hit.

Often that is the way things are done in Tijuana.

[TomJackin]

A girl I know, who used to work there a few years ago, said they had a minimum they needed before being allowed to go arriba, but you could skate by (the girl) tipping the doorman a couple of bux. I'm sure that this information is probably outdated.

However, I wonder how HK "enforces" the "hustle drinks" policy? It can't just be the pesky meseros. If they don't have some sort of ficha policy, I wonder why anybody buys them?

And it figures. They raise the ficha price to $8, and raise the chica's share a whopping 4 pesos. What a bunch of greedy fuckers. I've been told by somebody who at least sounds like a person who should know, that the pony beers cost the bars noting. They're provided by the manufacturer (Tecate, usually) for free.Read again, I typed 34 pesos. The hustle with the meseros at HK is that they have to pay to work their shift, thus, they figure if you buy a girl a drink, they will get some sort of tip when the drink gets delivered. The only policy that I know of is that a girl cannot sit with a guy unless she has a drink in front of her.

So now it depends on the girl whether she drinks fast or slow. The hustling girls will drink faster than the others.

[BadIdea]

I was looking more like "All Day" instead of TLN. I like a Fresh clean girl. Yes I was with her on a TLN twice but it was after her shift. The thing is she still complains that she has to go to work and she can only be with me after her shift but never before, when I asked her can you just not work today she replies she can get fired from AB.

To make things worse she gets up at 5 Am and leaves the room like it is on fire not a chance for a morning pop. I think if I can have her during the day time things can get hotter.Ah. I thought you were asking general questions. Sounds like your talking about a specific girl. I think your out of luck. Should be no surprise that she's setting her policies for maximum financial gain. No surprise there, she's a prostitute. So you know what your going to get from her. I'd find a new favorite. She sounds like a hardened pro, sadly they are pretty damn accomplished at separating cash from men.

[GolfSexRroll]

There have been times when I've bought a girl a drink just moments after her arrival and then taken her arriba. In those cases, I'm sure the girl had only a single drink before going upstairs. This would have been early afternoon; perhaps the evening rules are different.I used to take chicas up all the time the minute they walked on the floor. A few would walk right up and say lets go!

[HorseTrader]

...The only policy that I know of is that a girl cannot sit with a guy unless she has a drink in front of her...That rule must have some sort of flexibility. I've had various girls come sit with me for 5 or 10 minutes, even when they knew full well that I wasn't going to buy a drink. When the waiters come by, she just says a few words in Spanish and he disappears. This has only happened during slow times with girls who I know well, I've never had it happen during peak hours.

[UltraHappy]

That rule must have some sort of flexibility. I've had various girls come sit with me for 5 or 10 minutes, even when they knew full well that I wasn't going to buy a drink. When the waiters come by, she just says a few words in Spanish and he disappears. This has only happened during slow times with girls who I know well, I've never had it happen during peak hours.I personally get tired of hearing that line over and over again that "you can't sit with a girl without buying a drink. " Next time, I'm tempted to simply answer, "Ok, fine. We don't sit then -- we stand. " -- Especially with a girl that I am repeatedly taking arriba. If I am taking a girl arriba again and again, then she can decide if she wants to bail if I don't happen to be buying drinks during our 10 minute breaks in the bar between each of our hour arribas.

[Phordphan]

Read again, I typed 34 pesos. The hustle with the meseros at HK is that they have to pay to work their shift, thus, they figure if you buy a girl a drink, they will get some sort of tip when the drink gets delivered. The only policy that I know of is that a girl cannot sit with a guy unless she has a drink in front of her.

So now it depends on the girl whether she drinks fast or slow. The hustling girls will drink faster than the others.To clarify, the chicas always got 30 pesos for a ficha. Even back when fichas were $6. Now they're $8 and they've apparently only received a 4 peso "raise. " That's what I meant. The drink prices increased 33% while the girls' share went up 13%.

HK may have no policy, AFAIK. It just seems weird to me that, if there isn't one, why anybody buys them, outside of the pesky meseros trying to shoo the girls away if they don't have one. I know they keep track of how many each girl sells, so maybe it's more of a "you don't have a lot of fichas this week, sell more or hit the door" kind of thing, as opposed to a hard and fast rule.

[Phordphan]

The size of salida fees (to take out a chica from a bar before her shift ends in Tijuana bars) seems to vary greatly.

It seems to vary bar to bar, sometimes it varies day to day at the same bar. It seems to vary by chica and time left on her shift.

And it seems to be negotiable some times and not negotiable at other times.

I believe the salida amount is based on a quick evaluation made by the doorman who tries to size the monger up for the maximum hit.

Often that is the way things are done in Tijuana.I think this is a good observation. I don't think the bars have an actual salida policy. It's whatever the market will bear and the mood of the manager / doorman.


Is a pretty penny. Thank you for clarifying that for me. If I have to pay the bar $200 in order for her to leave her shift, Is this means she have to make a total of $200 for the bar at the end of her shift ?That, perhaps at one time, was the theory. Nowadays (see above) I think it's expensive and difficult simply to discourage anybody from doing it.

[TomJackin]

HK may have no policy, AFAIK. It just seems weird to me that, if there isn't one, why anybody buys them, outside of the pesky meseros trying to shoo the girls away if they don't have one. I know they keep track of how many each girl sells, so maybe it's more of a "you don't have a lot of fichas this week, sell more or hit the door" kind of thing, as opposed to a hard and fast rule.There is no real policy in HK. The fact that HK has so many girls coming and going, it would take NASA to keep track of all the fichas. The HK group is a well driven machine. HK just went through some serious remodeling, and the place is sharper than ever.

[ClamSlammer]

There is no real policy in HK. The fact that HK has so many girls coming and going, it would take NASA to keep track of all the fichas. The HK group is a well driven machine. HK just went through some serious remodeling, and the place is sharper than ever.HK does have a policy where the chica must have a drink for her to sit with anybody. Obviously there isn't 300 stopwatches to keep track of how long every chica sits with a monger but generally speaking if a chica sits too long without a drink a mesero will try to take her away. The newbie chicas will listen to the mesero but the vets will ignore him. Mesero's have absolutely no authority over chicas whatsoever. All they can do is call the mgr over and then the mgr will force you to buy a ficha or tell the chica to move on.

[WanderingMan]

Read again, I typed 34 pesos. The hustle with the meseros at HK is that they have to pay to work their shift, thus, they figure if you buy a girl a drink, they will get some sort of tip when the drink gets delivered. The only policy that I know of is that a girl cannot sit with a guy unless she has a drink in front of her.

So now it depends on the girl whether she drinks fast or slow. The hustling girls will drink faster than the others.Thanks for that information. Never knew that the Meseros paid to work. Do the girls also have a "pay out" in order to work there? Some of the girls seem to work multiple shifts but the Meseros have differing shirts that indicate a rough shift change time. Hope that obnoxious redheaded Mesero still isn't working at Hong Kong.

[PurpleD]

Thanks for that information. Never knew that the Meseros paid to work. Do the girls also have a "pay out" in order to work there? Some of the girls seem to work multiple shifts but the Meseros have differing shirts that indicate a rough shift change time. Hope that obnoxious redheaded Mesero still isn't working at Hong Kong.LOL Why does everyone hate that redhead mesero? He waited on my table once. Only thing that bothered my party about him was that we left him a huge tip (and I mean huge for Tijuana standards LOL) and he didn't even acknowledge us the next morning when we came down from Cascada to cure the crazy hangover. If you're looking for a stand up mesero look for Pollo. I think he's #18. One time the dude saved me. I was partying outside of the zona one time and got carried away needless to say. On the way back to the room got shook down by the cops for having pot on me. I know, my rookie mistake. But I can't help myself LOL. They took all my cash. I live up in LA so without a car it can cost a few dollars to get home. I caught up with Pollo in the morning at HK while I was trying to game plan on what the fuck I was going to do mind you I'm hungover like no other. Dude sits me down, makes me a couple of micheladas, and hands me $100 USD. He says " Here. Just make sure you western union me that back when you get home" of course in Spanish LOL. Till this day he is always my waiter.

[WanderingMan]

LOL Why does everyone hate that redhead mesero? 1. He's rude.

2. He's pushy.

3. He keeps trying to push ugly working girls on you.

4. He's overly persistent.

5. Shall I continue?

I have had luck with waiter #99 in the day. He's young.

[Jackie888]

If a waiter ever brings you a girl, always turn her down. They are working in cahoots to suck you dry of money in the fastest possible way. This is true in every bar in every country across the globe in every culture.

[HorseTrader]

Prior to 2014 I would ask one of the cumboys to clean up my daily room after I used it with a girl. I would give the cumboy $3 or $4 and they would happily do it. The room would look perfect (clean/dry shower, new soaps, clean bedding, empty trash can, fresh swan folded towels, clean and dry floor). A couple of times in 2014 the cumboys told me to make my request at the front desk, where they had some sort of charge (which I don't remember). I don't like to pay the business for cumboy work nor do I like to bring a fresh clean girl into a used room. Since then I have just rented multiple rooms per day for 45 minutes each. Total cost to me is about the same and I get a fresh room every time, but no place to relax between girls.

How are the rest of us handling that situation? Self clean? Leave it dirty? Pay the front desk? Multiple rooms?

[ScatManDoo]

I don't like to pay the business for cumboy work nor do I like to bring a fresh clean girl into a used room. Since then I have just rented multiple rooms per day for 45 minutes each. Total cost to me is about the same and I get a fresh room every time, but no place to relax between girls.

How are the rest of us handling that situation? Self clean? Leave it dirty? Pay the front desk? Multiple rooms?I usually entertain between 8 to a dozen chicas per day when I stay in LZ. I deal with the frequent turnover by bringing in my own straight sheets that I cover the bed with before each cita. I bring around 15 sheets and launder them myself at the lavomaticas if my trip extends beyond two days.

I started bringing my own clean sheets after my first session in 2005 with a street girl in one of the S / T rooms at the Hacienda Hotel. The hotel's bed cover disgusted me. Some street girls really seem to enjoy spreading out on the clean sheets I bring in my pack when I cita away from my own LZ cuartos. Back when La Reyna (Guadalupe de Acapulco) was working out of the Najera Hotel, she kept a supply of her own clean sheets behind the front desk and would grab a clean one for each session with a customer.

[Member #4450]

I usually entertain between 8 to a dozen chicas per day when I stay in LZ. I deal with the frequent turnover by bringing in my own straight sheets that I cover the bed with before each cita. I bring around 15 sheets and launder them myself at the lavomaticas if my trip extends beyond two days.

I started bringing my own clean sheets after my first session in 2005 with a street girl in one of the S / T rooms at the Hacienda Hotel. The hotel's bed cover disgusted me. Some street girls really seem to enjoy spreading out on the clean sheets I bring in my pack when I cita away from my own LZ cuartos. Back when La Reyna (Guadalupe de Acapulco) was working out of the Najera Hotel, she kept a supply of her own clean sheets behind the front desk and would grab a clean one for each session with a customer.Carrying 15 sheets is not practical at all if you cross the border by foot. Can you just pay $1 or $2 for clean hotel sheets?

You must be taking your car to bring that many sheets.

[HorseTrader]

I usually entertain between 8 to a dozen chicas per day when I stay in LZ. Holly Shit! 8 to 12 chicas per day? I'm impresssed! That's one girl every 2 to 3 hours, for an entire 24 hour day. I could only do that if I took 4 girls with me at a time, and popped once per group.

I'm happy when I can finish 3 times in a day.

[Jackie888]

Holly Shit! 8 to 12 chicas per day? I'm impresssed! That's one girl every 2 to 3 hours, for an entire 24 hour day. I could only do that if I took 4 girls with me at a time, and popped once per group.

I'm happy when I can finish 3 times in a day.LOL. I was thinking the same thing but was too embarassed to bring it up. But apparently it's normal because he brings 12+ clean sheets per day. I dont think I could walk staright if I went at his rate.

[Member #4450]

LOL. I was thinking the same thing but was too embarassed to bring it up. But apparently it's normal because he brings 12+ clean sheets per day. I dont think I could walk staright if I went at his rate.Some people do believe in green little men from mars I don't. Did I mention I never pay for a girl in Tijuana because I am so handsome irresistible looking guy do you buy that too?

[ScatManDoo]

Carrying 15 sheets is not practical at all if you cross the border by foot. Can you just pay $1 or $2 for clean hotel sheets?

You must be taking your car to bring that many sheets.Yes, I bring my car.

I usually stay at Hotel Leyva or the HDS, where parking comes with the room.


Holly Shit! 8 to 12 chicas per day? I'm impresssed! That's one girl every 2 to 3 hours, for an entire 24 hour day. I could only do that if I took 4 girls with me at a time, and popped once per group.

I'm happy when I can finish 3 times in a day.I only cum four to five times in a day.

Some sessions are just BBBJ(one two or three chicas at a time) at 100 p plus regalo per chica.

Most of the chicas in my rotation are walkers.

Half the sessions are initiated by the chicas coming by and knocking on my door at the Leyva or stopping by at the HDS lobby desk.

[FlapJacK]

For those that are not aware violence is rising in the Zona Norte. Mostly drug related. Two people were found shot dead inside an SUV with CA plates on Caohuila St in front of a hotel in Zona Norte. And two taxi libre drivers were killed in different locations in Tijuana one had two people inside.I would say all are probably drug or gang related in some way.

Does this mean violence is rising or does it mean you just heard about these incidents. Lots of Mexican Nationals drive SUV's with CA plates that's no surprise.

I wouldn't use these two incidents as indicator of rising violent crime unless you have some other data to back it up. Just because your hearing about it doesn't necessarily mean it's rising.

[Jackie888]

I would say all are probably drug or gang related in some way.

Does this mean violence is rising or does it mean you just heard about these incidents. Lots of Mexican Nationals drive SUV's with CA plates that's no surprise.

I wouldn't use these two incidents as indicator of rising violent crime unless you have some other data to back it up. Just because your hearing about it doesn't necessarily mean it rising.Two weeks ago I inquired to a Taxi driver about a noticeable increase in recent police searches on the way back to the border. The answer he gave me in his very broken Spanglish is that there have been an increase in cocaine trafficking through Tijuana. And the increase in searches (I witnesses several cars stopped and searched) is a direct consequence.

[Baxter Slade]

I would say all are probably drug or gang related in some way.

Does this mean violence is rising or does it mean you just heard about these incidents. Lots of Mexican Nationals drive SUV's with CA plates that's no surprise.

I wouldn't use these two incidents as indicator of rising violent crime unless you have some other data to back it up. Just because your hearing about it doesn't necessarily mean it's rising.There have been a lot more than 2 recent incidents. As a matter of fact I was in line to return to the USA On Monday the person in front of me bought a newspaper and right there on the front page in large bold letters taking up pretty much the whole front page it spoke of a huge increase in violence in Tijuana. And the inside headline reffered to a huge increase in homicides in this month.

So it is no ones opinion, but there is an internal battle going on over drug sales in Zona Norte. Now for a mongers personal opinion. Maybe this drug war has led to the police not getting there payments. So maybe they have resorted to more shakedowns and I m also aware that they are even getting a cut from some of the recent muggings.

[GolfSexRroll]

Yes, I bring my car.

I usually stay at Hotel Leyva or the HDS, where parking comes with the room.

I only cum four to five times in a day.

Some sessions are just BBBJ(one two or three chicas at a time) at 100 p plus regalo per chica.

Most of the chicas in my rotation are walkers.

Half the sessions are initiated by the chicas coming by and knocking on my door at the Leyva or stopping by at the HDS lobby desk.I can see if using a "vitamin" or you are a (freak of nature / or SUPER horny all the time! Also doable if multiple partners and of course SW BBBJ will keep the cost down. Yes the "chicanet" is freaky in the zona. News TRAVELS FAST! It is difficult to sneak around without being undetected. I run into chicas I know in Centro / Revo all the time. In the stores etc. I don't acknowledge them unless they start.

[Member #4450]

There have been a lot more than 2 recent incidents. As a matter of fact I was in line to return to the USA On Monday the person in front of me bought a newspaper and right there on the front page in large bold letters taking up pretty much the whole front page it spoke of a huge increase in violence in Tijuana. And the inside headline reffered to a huge increase in homicides in this month.

So it is no ones opinion, but there is an internal battle going on over drug sales in Zona Norte. Now for a mongers personal opinion. Maybe this drug war has led to the police not getting there payments. So maybe they have resorted to more shakedowns and I m also aware that they are even getting a cut from some of the recent muggings.I read this in the news but some people don't like the truth that's why I removed my post to avoid people like FlapJack comments.

You guys make you own conclusion.

[TomJackin]

I would say all are probably drug or gang related in some way.

Does this mean violence is rising or does it mean you just heard about these incidents. Lots of Mexican Nationals drive SUV's with CA plates that's no surprise.

I wouldn't use these two incidents as indicator of rising violent crime unless you have some other data to back it up. Just because your hearing about it doesn't necessarily mean it's rising.
28 murders in TJ so far in April; yep, fun for all!

Read for yourself:

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/20042015/962532-Repunta-violencia-en-Tijuana.html

[Member #4450]

Someone here mentioned a hotel that I can leave a small backpack with my personal stuff with no money or passport.

I don't need a safe just a place you can trust where they can hold my things so I can go in the clubs.

Thanks in advance.

[Member #4450]

28 murders in TJ so far in April; yep, fun for all!

Read for yourself:

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/20042015/962532-Repunta-violencia-en-Tijuana.htmlA few of these crimes happened within the zona Norte. But what can you do about it. I just love pussy and ocean fishing I know there are great whites sharks in SoCal and that didn't stop me to go kayak fishing. Just look your surrounds and don't look like a seal LOL!

[Baxter Slade]

I posted this on another board, but thought I would post it here and see if anyone had a similar experience with this chica.

So I'm sitting in La Gloria bar around 3:30 in the morning trying to kill a little time until my sleep medication begins to work. You see when I stay overnight in Tijuana the same thing happens that happens to me in Vegas, I can't sleep because I'm afraid I'm missing something. So anyway a young cute short little spinner walks by my table, this is La Gloria so that's the first thing that doesn't seem right. She turns around and comes back and asks to join me. I say sure because the thing that interests me the most is it seems pretty clear she is not working. She is dressed in jeans, heels and a low cut top and wearing a winter jacket. She is also carrying a large purse, a small purse with built in brass knuckles and a plastic bag carrying food. So I offer her the unopened beer I have and she accepts it with a smile. (another good sign it aint about the ficha.).

After talking for a bit she finishes her beer and order her a couple more, no problem the mesero brings a regular beer no fichia. She then has the mesero take her food somewhere to be heated up. I ask her where she lives, if she has ninos, or novio. She says she lives about 20 minutes away and asks if I want to go to her casa. I say no but would she like to come to my room at Cascades. She says sure. So we have a couple more beers the food comes back and she alternates between feeding her and me. She seems in no hurry, but signs start to point towards her being either a little drunk or under the influence of something.

So it now about 5 in the morning and she is ready to leave we head towards Cascades and she wants to stop at LC for another beer. I'm ok with that since it seems the drunker she gets the more fun she is. As we go to enter the doorman is denying her entry. Not sure what the problem is, I don't think it was an ID issue he is just looking up and down the list and won't let her in. So now she says let go to HK. But I have the bright idea lets just go to the alley door and walk in real quick so we are able to enter LC through the alley entrance. So no problem walking in there. She then heads to the bano, and reemerges without her bags. (bad sign) So we grab a seat and order and the mesero brings the fichia beer I insist she is not working and he insists its fichias for her or nothing. So I buy it and she sucks it down. By now her whole mode and personality has changed she is now just a regular bar girl begging for just one more lady drink. So I bail and now I'm left wondering was her scam just to bring me to her nest where I would spend the rest of the morning buying fichias or was there some kind of set up if I would have went to her place. Or what would of happened if we never made it into LC. Anything about this story ring a bell with anyone?

[Member #4450]

I posted this on another board, but thought I would post it here and see if anyone had a similar experience with this chica.

So I'm sitting in La Gloria bar around 3:30 in the morning trying to kill a little time until my sleep medication begins to work. You see when I stay overnight in Tijuana the same thing happens that happens to me in Vegas, I can't sleep because I'm afraid I'm missing something. So anyway a young cute short little spinner walks by my table, this is La Gloria so that's the first thing that doesn't seem right. She turns around and comes back and asks to join me. I say sure because the thing that interests me the most is it seems pretty clear she is not working. She is dressed in jeans, heels and a low cut top and wearing a winter jacket. She is also carrying a large purse, a small purse with built in brass knuckles and a plastic bag carrying food. So I offer her the unopened beer I have and she accepts it with a smile. (another good sign it aint about the ficha.).

After talking for a bit she finishes her beer and order her a couple more, no problem the mesero brings a regular beer no fichia. She then has the mesero take her food somewhere to be heated up. I ask her where she lives, if she has ninos, or novio. She says she lives about 20 minutes away and asks if I want to go to her casa. I say no but would she like to come to my room at Cascades. She says sure. So we have a couple more beers the food comes back and she alternates between feeding her and me. She seems in no hurry, but signs start to point towards her being either a little drunk or under the influence of something.

So it now about 5 in the morning and she is ready to leave we head towards Cascades and she wants to stop at LC for another beer. I'm ok with that since it seems the drunker she gets the more fun she is. As we go to enter the doorman is denying her entry. Not sure what the problem is, I don't think it was an ID issue he is just looking up and down the list and won't let her in. So now she says let go to HK. But I have the bright idea lets just go to the alley door and walk in real quick so we are able to enter LC through the alley entrance. So no problem walking in there. She then heads to the bano, and reemerges without her bags. (bad sign) So we grab a seat and order and the mesero brings the fichia beer I insist she is not working and he insists its fichias for her or nothing. So I buy it and she sucks it down. By now her whole mode and personality has changed she is now just a regular bar girl begging for just one more lady drink. So I bail and now I'm left wondering was her scam just to bring me to her nest where I would spend the rest of the morning buying fichias or was there some kind of set up if I would have went to her place. Or what would of happened if we never made it into LC. Anything about this story ring a bell with anyone?That was weird! Not a good sign if she drinks heavily at 5 AM WTF? I applaud you very good move never go to a chicas home that is a very dangerous shit, you don't know who's there waiting for you.

[Member #4450]

I want to tell you guys how dangerous could be to follow a bar girl home this is a true 100% accurate.

I'll make it brief. I met this bar girl long story short, she told me she was picking up her older sister from the bus station she was coming from somewhere in Mexico main land to live with her in Tijuana.

Anyway my bar girl was very happy to have her older sister and her son to be living in her home. Three weeks went by and out of the blue I received a text from my girl telling me the Perro killed her. Meaning the dog has killed her. At first I thought she was talking about a pitbul or a rotteweiler had attacked her sister.

Instead I got chills thru my body when she told me her sister ex a much younger boyfriend followed her sister and found her in Tijuana living in the same apartment as my bar girl.

Anyway neighbors called the cops they went in and this guy was caught in the act stabbing her multiple times and cutting her throat and he also stabbed her young son.

Suddenly she died in the scene and her son was critical injured, all of these happened in my bar girl's apartment.

After this gruesome crime I don't feel comfortable talking to her anymore. I just try to avoid her at all cost. I am not saying every zona girl has a dark side but you never know who she really is or who is living with her. Asking her if she is alone and no one is there is like petting a wild lion.

BTW, most bar girls don't live alone they all have some family a roommate and even a padrote pimp living with them.

Anyways luckily my bar girl was not home.

Get a room if she insist to go to her place just turn it down, better be safe.

[Jackie888]

The doorman is usually the most veteran employee in the club. His job is to know and keep track of everyone in and around his club. If he won't let a girl in and its not an ID issue, it should be a HUGE red flag. I'm guessing that she's a courrier. Delivers certain goods to certain people. I see the most interesting people in La Gloria.

[Gsil247]

I posted this on another board, but thought I would post it here and see if anyone had a similar experience with this chica.

So I'm sitting in La Gloria bar around 3:30 in the morning trying to kill a little time until my sleep medication begins to work. You see when I stay overnight in Tijuana the same thing happens that happens to me in Vegas, I can't sleep because I'm afraid I'm missing something. So anyway a young cute short little spinner walks by my table, this is La Gloria so that's the first thing that doesn't seem right. She turns around and comes back and asks to join me. I say sure because the thing that interests me the most is it seems pretty clear she is not working. She is dressed in jeans, heels and a low cut top and wearing a winter jacket. She is also carrying a large purse, a small purse with built in brass knuckles and a plastic bag carrying food. So I offer her the unopened beer I have and she accepts it with a smile. (another good sign it aint about the ficha.).

After talking for a bit she finishes her beer and order her a couple more, no problem the mesero brings a regular beer no fichia. She then has the mesero take her food somewhere to be heated up. I ask her where she lives, if she has ninos, or novio. She says she lives about 20 minutes away and asks if I want to go to her casa. I say no but would she like to come to my room at Cascades. She says sure. So we have a couple more beers the food comes back and she alternates between feeding her and me. She seems in no hurry, but signs start to point towards her being either a little drunk or under the influence of something.Some dumb loud chica was on the 5th floor Saturday night at Cascadas, and decided to yell loud as shit, "Chica" It might be her or some other inconsiderate puta. I couldn't even sleep after that. I wanted to walk out and hit, but she was already gone after a minute of that shit. Thank you to whomever beat me to it.

[ScatManDoo]

I posted this on another board, but thought I would post it here and see if anyone had a similar experience with this chica.

So I'm sitting in La Gloria bar around 3:30 in the morning trying to kill a little time until my sleep medication begins to work. You see when I stay overnight in Tijuana the same thing happens that happens to me in Vegas, I can't sleep because I'm afraid I'm missing something. So anyway a young cute short little spinner walks by my table, this is La Gloria so that's the first thing that doesn't seem right. She turns around and comes back and asks to join me. I say sure because the thing that interests me the most is it seems pretty clear she is not working. She is dressed in jeans, heels and a low cut top and wearing a winter jacket. She is also carrying a large purse, a small purse with built in brass knuckles and a plastic bag carrying food. So I offer her the unopened beer I have and she accepts it with a smile. (another good sign it aint about the ficha.).

After talking for a bit she finishes her beer and order her a couple more, no problem the mesero brings a regular beer no fichia. She then has the mesero take her food somewhere to be heated up. I ask her where she lives, if she has ninos, or novio. She says she lives about 20 minutes away and asks if I want to go to her casa. I say no but would she like to come to my room at Cascades. She says sure. So we have a couple more beers the food comes back and she alternates between feeding her and me. She seems in no hurry, but signs start to point towards her being either a little drunk or under the influence of something...I have not had a similar experience. I'm typically quick to get chicas in my room and go from there. So this does not ring a bell with me and I cannot predict your "what ifs" or "what does this mean".

You had adequate opportunities to insist it was now time to go to your room (including the moment when you parted company).

So since she said yes to your Cascades room soon after you met. And you would be feeling the sleeping pills, I don't understand why you didn't just say you were going to your room and ask her to come with?

[ClamSlammer]

One reason why bars don't like non-working chicas in the club is that they think that guys will buy them normal beers instead of buying the ficheras $8 beers.

[Member #4450]

I keep hearing about how nice and drug free these Tijuana bar girls are and blah blah and that they just work for survival to feed their children, but honestly I don't understand why they always need so much money to survive in Mexico economy they can easy make $100 Dlls a day and they still live in filthy apartments in the dirtiest and most dangerous Tijuana neighborhoods all covered in graffiti.

I've seen photos where they live and I can tell you it is a shithole. How can they safely live there? Seriously WTF they do with all the money they make I can only think they have a bad drug habit but they always denied it. I can make a decent living here in the US with only $100 a day I think they must work in AB because they need to make the most money to pay for the drugs they're always whining for more money and they're never satisfied some of the AB girls will approach to you and act like a beggar asking for a buck.

[MS Clive]

I keep hearing about how nice and drug free these Tijuana bar girls are and blah blah and that they just work for survival to feed their children, but honestly I don't understand why they always need so much money to survive in Mexico economy they can easy make $100 Dlls a day and they still live in filthy apartments in the dirtiest and most dangerous Tijuana neighborhoods all covered in graffiti.

I've seen photos where they live and I can tell you it is a shithole. How can they safely live there? Seriously WTF they do with all the money they make I can only think they have a bad drug habit but they always denied it. I can make a decent living here in the US with only $100 a day I think they must work in AB because they need to make the most money to pay for the drugs they're always whining for more money and they're never satisfied some of the AB girls will approach to you and act like a beggar asking for a buck.I know a few girls in Tijuana. One HK girl I know very well and have slept at her place and been an uncle to her children. She lives in a barrio no doubt but it comes with a decent garage, 2 bedrooms, living room with an air conditioner, refrigerator, LCD TV. Her kids go to school and have good stuff such as backpacks and decent clothes. I assume she is doing quite OK for herself. So my point here is though she lives in a barrio the house keeps improving every few months as she pumps her earnings into giving her kids a better life. She probably started out in a barrio with a small place and kept building whenever she could afford it.

Also I don't think Tijuana is as cheap as you think. Lesser expensive than San Diego it may be at par with rural America such as Ohio or Montana. For example a pizza dinner at Dominos for two costs around $18-20 in Tijuana which is not that much lesser than the same in the US.

[Baxter Slade]

So since she said yes to your Cascades room soon after you met. And you would be feeling
the sleeping pills, I don't understand why you didn't just say you were going to your room
and ask her to come with?I guess my main intent was not to get her to my room. I just countered with my room at the Cascades to feel her out. I didn't think her offer of going to her place was a good idea. And besides I was just having fun hanging with her in the bar. So as soon as she transformed into regular BG begging for a fichia it seemed like a good time to end it. She was fun for awhile and for this night my goal was to make a new friend for future hookups. I already had a 8 am Meeting set up with someone else, which I ended up being a couple hours late for.

[Member #4450]

I know a few girls in Tijuana. One HK girl I know very well and have slept at her place and been an uncle to her children. She lives in a barrio no doubt but it comes with a decent garage, 2 bedrooms, living room with an air conditioner, refrigerator, LCD TV. Her kids go to school and have good stuff such as backpacks and decent clothes. I assume she is doing quite OK for herself. So my point here is though she lives in a barrio the house keeps improving every few months as she pumps her earnings into giving her kids a better life. She probably started out in a barrio with a small place and kept building whenever she could afford it.

Also I don't think Tijuana is as cheap as you think. Lesser expensive than San Diego it may be at par with rural America such as Ohio or Montana. For example a pizza dinner at Dominos for two costs around $18-20 in Tijuana which is not that much lesser than the same in the US.Yes food is expensive but housing is very cheap. I don't think it can be compared to Rural America, I'm sure you'll need a lot more money to live in any US state, home rent or buy, taxes, medical insurance, car payment, car insurance, gas, utilities, education etc. Pizza is not cheap in Tijuana stay with the local food tacos etc. I also paid like $15 for Little Caesars. The girls know pizza and Italian food is expensive in Tijuana but you're the one paying and they go for it.

[Baxter Slade]

Yes food is expensive but housing is very cheap. I don't think it can be compared to Rural America, I'm sure you'll need a lot more money to live in any US state, home rent or buy, taxes, medical insurance, car payment, car insurance, gas, utilities, education etc. Pizza is not cheap in Tijuana stay with the local food tacos etc. I also paid like $15 for Little Caesars. The girls know pizza and Italian food is expensive in Tijuana but you're the one paying and they go for it.Yes you are correct HT. My MBGF pays $200 and something for rent. The only insurance she pays is some guy comes to the house once a month to pick up a life insurance payment of around $30. The life insurance thing is ridicules, I think it only pays enough for funeral expenses. Much better plans are available in California.

Last week we went for carryout pizza for the family at Pizza Amor the total came to $43 and some change. WTF for a minute I thought maybe she dates the guy at the counter and they are scaming the gringo.

[Captain Solo]

One of the guys rent a 2-bedroom apartment, with private secured parking near hotel Pueblo Amigo, for $400 a month. He has a roommate, so $200 each.

That area looks nice, clean, upscale and secured. It's more convenient to go back and forth across the border to San Diego if you have to do work. Not a bad deal.


Yes food is expensive but housing is very cheap. I don't think it can be compared to Rural America, I'm sure you'll need a lot more money to live in any US state, home rent or buy, taxes, medical insurance, car payment, car insurance, gas, utilities, education etc. Pizza is not cheap in Tijuana stay with the local food tacos etc. I also paid like $15 for Little Caesars. The girls know pizza and Italian food is expensive in Tijuana but you're the one paying and they go for it.

[Jackie888]

Yes you are correct HT. My MBGF pays $200 and something for rent. The only insurance she pays is some guy comes to the house once a month to pick up a life insurance payment of around $30. The life insurance thing is ridicules, I think it only pays enough for funeral expenses. Much better plans are available in California.

Last week we went for carryout pizza for the family at Pizza Amor the total came to $43 and some change. WTF for a minute I thought maybe she dates the guy at the counter and they are scaming the gringo.IMO, the cost of food is cheaper in Mexico if ones eat what the natives eat. If ones want American food, then be prepared to pay a premium because there isn't much competition. That being said, some foods widely abundant in the states are going to be difficult to obtain. Basic foods like milk, etc. I often see Mexicans return to Mexico carrying Milk, presumeably for their kids. Its sad.

[HorseTrader]

I often see Mexicans return to Mexico carrying Milk, presumeably for their kids. Its sad.Often it seems to be elderly people who can barely walk with arms full of bags or they are dragging a cart full of very simple grocery store items. Like Jackie wrote, they must be things that simply aren't available in Tijuana?

[Member #4450]

Yes you are correct HT. My MBGF pays $200 and something for rent. The only insurance she pays is some guy comes to the house once a month to pick up a life insurance payment of around $30. The life insurance thing is ridicules, I think it only pays enough for funeral expenses. Much better plans are available in California.

Last week we went for carryout pizza for the family at Pizza Amor the total came to $43 and some change. WTF for a minute I thought maybe she dates the guy at the counter and they are scaming the gringo.LOL Hugo a $43 pizza what topping did you get Weed? My MBGF wanted me to buy her Lasagna, pizza and wine and she asked me to bring her shoes and makeup from Macys and on top of that I have to pay her too.

They do scam the Gringo every chance they get you need to watch your wallet very closely.

[TomJackin]

They do scam the Gringo every chance they get you need to watch your wallet very closely.It is no wonder why I don't carry a wallet in Tijuana.

[TomJackin]

Often it seems to be elderly people who can barely walk with arms full of bags or they are dragging a cart full of very simple grocery store items. Like Jackie wrote, they must be things that simply aren't available in Tijuana?Not sure about that. I took one of my favorites to shop for her family at Cali Max. She had almost a full cart of stuff, and it cost me less than 100 bucks. I do see many locals transporting blankets from the US to Tijuana; maybe those are more expensive.

[GolfSexRroll]

LOL Hugo a $43 pizza what topping did you get Weed? My MBGF wanted me to buy her Lasagna, pizza and wine and she asked me to bring her shoes and makeup from Macys and on top of that I have to pay her too.

They do scam the Gringo every chance they get you need to watch your wallet very closely.That is SO funny! My favorite asks me to bring her pizza from the USA all the time! She even has a special place she wants me to buy it! She says the pizza in TJ sucks! A Mexican Pizza snob! I also bake her Lasagna and cool it down and give it to her to heat up for dinner! She has it made (a good deal for her) with me!

[Jackie888]

On my way back to the border last night, Mexican Army soldiers were conducting car searches in addition to the extremely high police presence who were often patroling in squad size. My taxi driver said it was due to the recent rise in killings. He said 4-5 per day because of drugs. So you guys stay safe and remain in crowded areas. Don't go wander off exploring Tijuana, espcially in the Zona.

[Captain Solo]

There were 2 pick up trucks from Policias Municipale patrolling La Zona Norte Saturday night, but the legion of moto and foot-patrol cops were curiously absent. La Zona was quiet with lots of foot traffic. There were no patrol cars racing around with screaming sirens like in past weeks. The cops were probably sent to La Mesa to chase cartel guys.

I drove back at midnight. The SENTRI lane was long, stretching back all the way along Kino Padre. Had to wait half hour to pass. Meanwhile the bros crossing on foot had no waiting line; crossing in 5 minutes.

La Zona was relaxed, fun and sexy Saturday. Hopefully there will be no AK-47 shootings in bars so we can continue to come down and enjoy the companies of pretty Tijuana girls.


On my way back to the border last night, Mexican Army soldiers were conducting car searches in addition to the extremely high police presence who were often patroling in squad size. My taxi driver said it was due to the recent rise in killings. He said 4-5 per day because of drugs. So you guys stay safe and remain in crowded areas. Don't go wander off exploring Tijuana, espcially in the Zona.

[Member #4450]

On my way back to the border last night, Mexican Army soldiers were conducting car searches in addition to the extremely high police presence who were often patroling in squad size. My taxi driver said it was due to the recent rise in killings. He said 4-5 per day because of drugs. So you guys stay safe and remain in crowded areas. Don't go wander off exploring Tijuana, espcially in the Zona.Yeap, that's what I said in my previous posts the zona is getting hot, good to know the military is around.

[TomJackin]

Yeap, that's what I said in my previous posts the zona is getting hot, good to know the military is around.How often do you do to Tijuana?

Just curious.

[HorseTrader]

I pulled this map from the usasexguide. It is from 2005, but still seems pretty close to accurate. Perhaps it is slightly optimistic.

[Member #4450]

How often do you do to Tijuana?

Just curious.I go often.

[Batuk]

I go often.I wish I could go more often. .

[Member #4450]

WTF is this an interrogatory you want the days and hours too. Let's say I go when I can go and I feel like going.

I don't want to be rude but when I go and how often I go I think it is my business.

[Jackie888]

I pulled this map from the usasexguide. It is from 2005, but still seems pretty close to accurate. Perhaps it is slightly optimistic.That section of Coahuilla East of Constitution should be red. I believe that one of our own was mugged in daylight there, implying that it's being watched by bandits. I see a lot of cars searched while the taxi takes me back to the border using this route. So one may want to avoid driving here as well. LOS Heroes going South is relatively safe because its highly crowded. But yeah, the West side do seem more seedy.

Other than that, the map remains unchange. Of course there is a general rule to avoid areas without people. The locals tend to know when and where the shooting starts. Its a good map and all of us should commit it to memory. Thanks gor posting it.

[Member #4450]

I want to check out Madonas is this just a table dance bar or more like Hk.

[TomJackin]

I want to check out Madonas is this just a table dance bar or more like Hk.Madonas is finished!

http://www.el-mexicano.com.mx/informacion/0/0/2015/04/26/847371/dueno-de-bar-madonas-exhibia-a-meretrices-en-redes-sociales

[Num Nutz]

That section of Coahuilla East of Constitution should be red. I believe that one of our own was mugged in daylight there, implying that it's being watched by bandits. I see a lot of cars searched while the taxi takes me back to the border using this route. So one may want to avoid driving here as well. LOS Heroes going South is relatively safe because its highly crowded. But yeah, the West side do seem more seedy.

Other than that, the map remains unchange. Of course there is a general rule to avoid areas without people. The locals tend to know when and where the shooting starts. Its a good map and all of us should commit it to memory. Thanks gor posting it.Hotel de Santiago is in that section of Coahuilla East of Constitution, a nice hotel but best avoided?

[Phordphan]

Yes you are correct HT. My MBGF pays $200 and something for rent. The only insurance she pays is some guy comes to the house once a month to pick up a life insurance payment of around $30. The life insurance thing is ridicules, I think it only pays enough for funeral expenses. Much better plans are available in California.

Last week we went for carryout pizza for the family at Pizza Amor the total came to $43 and some change. WTF for a minute I thought maybe she dates the guy at the counter and they are scaming the gringo.


IMO, the cost of food is cheaper in Mexico if ones eat what the natives eat. If ones want American food, then be prepared to pay a premium because there isn't much competition. That being said, some foods widely abundant in the states are going to be difficult to obtain. Basic foods like milk, etc. I often see Mexicans return to Mexico carrying Milk, presumeably for their kids. Its sad.


Often it seems to be elderly people who can barely walk with arms full of bags or they are dragging a cart full of very simple grocery store items. Like Jackie wrote, they must be things that simply aren't available in Tijuana?Overall, food prices in Mexico are noticeably lower than the USA. However, some exceptions exist. Fast food tends to be far closer to USA prices than one would think. I suspect a lot of that is due to sourcing the proper ingredients, i.e. the ones specified by the franshisor. In the case of pizza, I suspect the cheese, although I have no evidence. Yes, lots of cheese is available in Mexico, but the European kinds are harder to come by, and I think they're more expensive. In any case, Mexican pizza sucks at any price.

I'm not sure why anybody would lug milk across the border, as here in the USA we pay quite a bit above the world price for milk due to Uncle Sugar's dairy price supports (another leftover of the Great Depression).

There are certain types of food available in the USA and not in Mexico, and vice versa. Stores like Costco have a good selection of "USA" food, but not everybody goes often enough to justify a membership. So, it's probably cheaper to send somebody shopping in the USA from time to time. Conversely, I know that the Tijuana Costco has a bunch of interesting foods and wines unavailable in the States. When I have time I try to nab a couple of things to take home.

The quality of other things, like shoes, clothing, etc. , tend to be a bit better in the USA. So, if one has access, I think it's probably (overall) cheaper to get these things in the USA. One can buy in San Diego and schlep the stuff across the border and avoid the duty that gets slapped on imported textile products. Mexico has a 20+% tariff on imported clothing (except for clothes manufactured in the USA, but that ain't much these days). The USA tariff tends to be less, although it's an eye-glazing task to wade through the Harmonized Tariff schedule.

[Phordphan]

That section of Coahuilla East of Constitution should be red. I believe that one of our own was mugged in daylight there, implying that it's being watched by bandits. I see a lot of cars searched while the taxi takes me back to the border using this route. So one may want to avoid driving here as well. LOS Heroes going South is relatively safe because its highly crowded. But yeah, the West side do seem more seedy.

Other than that, the map remains unchange. Of course there is a general rule to avoid areas without people. The locals tend to know when and where the shooting starts. Its a good map and all of us should commit it to memory. Thanks gor posting it.He was mugged at 10:30 pm, looking for heroin-addicted gringa streetwalkers, IIRC. It's a good place to avoid at night.

The stretch south, between 1st and 2nd, on Ninos Heroes, shouldn't really be red. It's pretty busy these days, as is the section of 2nd east to Revu.

The map is pretty out of date. Hard Rock has been gone for years, as has Purple Rain.

[Reinaldo]

Always take what taxi drivers say with a grain of salt. Drug related killings are up but it's closer to 2 a day, 44 so far in April.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/25042015/964220-Asesinan-a-tres-a-uno-dejaron-narcomensaje.html


My taxi driver said it was due to the recent rise in killings. He said 4-5 per day because of drugs.

[TomJackin]

Always take what taxi drivers say with a grain of salt. Drug related killings are up but it's closer to 2 a day, 44 so far in April.

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/25042015/964220-Asesinan-a-tres-a-uno-dejaron-narcomensaje.htmlI also believe that it is NOT all drug related.

Some people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At one point, tourism was on the rise in Tijuana; but things are reversing that. It is sad because so many hard working people depend on the tourist and frequent visitors such as myself.

[Captain Solo]

Father and son owners of Madonna's have been arrested on charges of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), pimping and pandering. Similar charges as Larry O'Neal who owned Nikki's in June last year.

Looks like business has been down for strip bars in Revo for the last few years, so these guys promoted their girls aggressively in Facebook, with pictures of girls in chains driven like animals on the floor. I wonder if Madonna's undignified ways to present its putas pissed off the authority and kicked off their investigation.

It's to be tangled with these serious charges in Mexico.

Owner bar "Madonna's" exhibited prostitutes in social networks.


By Said Betanzos / Mexican.

Posted Sunday, April 26,2015 24:59.

TIJUANA The Attorney General's Office (PGR) documented that the Israeli Galor Shaltiel sex workers exhibited at the bar "Madonna's" in social networks, not only inside but outside of that business located in the downtown area.

The alien and his son Daniel are identified as business owners set on Fourth Street, between Avenues Constitución. Ambos Revolution and are arrested by the Attorney-General's Office (PGR).

The father in your Facebook publishing how were the shows in your business, where two prostitutes chained neck and walked like animals on the track appear.

In another picture a woman on his back and knees seats inside a van, first appears in a white dress covering her buttocks, then in the same pose but looks underwear with the message "I'm cambiando". Galor him up last April 11.

The operation was carried out yesterday morning, where members participated in the Deputy Attorney Specialized Investigation of Organized Crime (Seido) Unit Trafficking foreign loa to be involved in the alleged sexual exploitation of women and trafficking.

[WanderingMan]

He was mugged at 10:30 pm, looking for heroin-addicted gringa streetwalkers, IIRC. It's a good place to avoid at night.

The stretch south, between 1st and 2nd, on Ninos Heroes, shouldn't really be red. It's pretty busy these days, as is the section of 2nd east to Revu.

The map is pretty out of date. Hard Rock has been gone for years, as has Purple Rain.Where is the map you're discussing? I have a general idea of where you are discussing but the map would be appreciated. Thanks.

[GroovieFan]

Anybody have any positive experience with it. In the 16 + years of going to Tijuana, have yet to go in and pick one out. They seem to be the more conservative ladies. If that is possible. LOL.

[Spartan94]

Where is the map you're discussing? I have a general idea of where you are discussing but the map would be appreciated. Thanks.This same thread Post #10486.