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The directive as it was sent to businesses that it concerns. Info in the Gogo forum.
Sosua changes.
On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua. Businesses that sell alcohol will closed at midnight Monday. Thursday and 2 am on the weekends. It was reported Rumbas closed at midnight and Classicos was dead also. CESTUR was taking chicas who were walking solo in custody, they had to pay from 1500 - 2000 pesos to get released. At 1 am there was almost no traffic on Pedro Clisante.
Kviar in Puerto Plata was ROCKIN!
I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on wrhatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ROTFL! The Kviar crew started looking around like WTF is going on here I hope we don't have the Clash of the Titans. LOL!Smart move wait until after the 4 of July weekend. Don't want to miss that tourist money. Imagine if they had started it in June. Think of the money they would have lost last weekend.
Camaro1257
07-08-16, 23:46
Odd choice of words. How about "belatedly started enforcing the law in Sosua"?I have been away from ISG for quite some time and I forgot how critical some members can be. I realize members have different priorities however, IMHO content should be more important than grammar. In general when reporting my focus is and will be in the future more on information that can help other members than the grammar that is being used.
Charles Pooter
07-09-16, 00:24
I have been away from ISG for quite some time and I forgot how critical some members can be. I realize members have different priorities however, IMHO content should be more important than grammar. In general when reporting my focus is and will be in the future more on information that can help other members than the grammar that is being used.Obviously I was not criticizing your grammar, which was impeccable.
I was commenting on your implication that the cops had dug out some dusty and little-known old "rule". Odd for ex-LE to call a law a "rule". This has been the law for at least five years and all bars and clubs are aware of it, and all experienced mongers too. My suggested wording more accurately describes the situation.
I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on whatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ...LOL!I would crack up laughing too if you approached me and asked "What, are you a country house in my city?
Camaro1257
07-09-16, 01:20
I would crack up laughing too if you approached me and asked "What, are you a country house in my city?You got me on that one. Welcome back to ISG. LOL.
Phreeman69
07-09-16, 02:13
Hey, I've been coming here a number of years and arrived this week after the July 4th holiday so I thought I would add my two cents.
Something weird may be going on regarding the cops but it hasn't affected anything I've noticed. Tuesday night the upstairs Classicos disco didn't have anyone in it--Tuesday, after all--but Wednesday it was full. I left at 2:00 and the streets were quiet but Classicos was going strong. Thursday night in Rumbas around 11:30 a couple dozen girls panicked and ran out the back way, for no reason I could see. The chick I was with stayed close, but nothing happened, and when we left shortly after I saw nothing unusual on the street. I was gone by midnight so I don't know if placed closed then. Different girls told me various rumors, which I won't repeat as I consider them totally unreliable.
I've been having success collecting phone numbers and whatsapps and calling the girls over for afternoon sessions. I had no luck on FB, perhaps because I was trying to convert fresh 18 year-olds to the trade: plenty of, "Hi nice to meet you. Sorry I have a boyfriend / no way."
With one exception, all readily accepted 1500 pesos for an hour or two, and almost all accepted "por la boca sin condom" (I always ask ahead of time). There has been a little bait and switch but no real bullshit. No one asked to be paid upfront, for example.
Some girls are more aggressive than I remember, touchy and grabby, which makes me make sure my money is secure, although I don't really think they are trying to get in my pockets. I'm like a particular type, so I look until I find one. There are a lot of girls of all shapes and sizes, probably twice as many as guys, and it feels like five times as many. I've notice if I leer at a chick across the room, pretty quickly she notices and before long she's swinging her hips next to me. I love this place. There are probably a hundred+ girls dressed up acting sexy, and I can have any one of them for forty bucks. Nice vacation.
I am not sure what the issue is here. I always stop through Sosua on my way to puerta plata. Sometimes I even stay overnight. I like hanging out there sometimes, but does not mean I have to sample the merchandise if I do not like the quality and I am not stuck there hoping I find the diamond in the rough. I never put myself in that position after travelling all that way, but that is just me. Who cares what I do and think. That happens a lot with me I go to sosua all the time I do not like what I see have fun and keep it moving. The Dominican Republic has beautiful women all over, but you have to move around to see them. I know many people are afraid to drive, but not afraid to be with a women whose job is to sleep with random men everyday. Some people might think that is more risky than driving and meeting a quality girl. Again, to each his own choice. If people do not like what they see why can't they not say what they feel I am never offended what people think and glad they say what they feel. Let men be men do what they want and say what they think. Some.people.might say your crazy beautiful women in sosua then you see his girlfriends and say i understand why is is not happy you do not know a man's taste might be better than yours.The bottom line is, just like life, YMMV.
There are negative reviews on everything, cars, hotels, resaurants, marriage. In spite of these negative reviews the popular places persist and thrive, cars are sold, and folks still spend a fortune trying to find a life mate.
Please don't fall for the illusion that a half a dozen jaded losers who write and biatch and complain here regularly, are the ultimate judge and jury on Sosua.
The DR welcomed 4.7 million tourists last year. While they are all not sexual tourists I can tell you from my experience that most who are, don't post reports on a public mongering board.
Most of us look forward to a guaranteed good time down there (9 years and counting -I can't wait!) and enjoy their vacation like PReeman69 above, and others will waste their money, by not getting what they want!
That's life!
Tuesday is a bad day. Generally Thursday to Sunday is the busiest. Monday is not bad either. Chicas know mongers come between Thursday and Monday. Unlike other destinations in the world Sosua is a weekend destination for many from east coast of USA.
Unless you have a regular novio or enjoying all inclusive resort nobody stay whole week.
All the pretty girls come only on weekends. They will not make good money other times. Slow season or not weekends are busy all year around in my experience. Only problem is summertime is too hot. Air conditioning in Sosua hotels as well as clubs are not very efficient.Best, shortest, most useful take on Sosua I've seen!
Selling pussy in Sosua is not an easy job. The competition is fierce. So the girls dress and act in ways to attract us old farts. On the 10 or more trips I have made have I not seen more attractive women then I could handle. I have always lamented that I had to turn down so many attractive girls. Girls I would have killed for back hoe I am telling may be later. I have been in Classicos and almost ODed on so many 8's and above. High and low season. I will be there next week and will have a ball.
Best, shortest, most useful take on Sosua I've seen!
I hear that, in addition, Rhumba and Rancho Tipico are closed.
I guess this is the usual cycle that we have to deal with.
Smart move wait until after the 4 of July weekend. Don't want to miss that tourist money. Imagine if they had started it in June. Think of the money they would have lost last weekend.
I hear that, in addition, Rhumba and Rancho Tipico are closed.
I guess this is the usual cycle that we have to deal with.Rhumba closed?
Say it isn't so!
I don't frequent the place, but it is one of the remaining two main venues for our chica hotties. Like a giant corral.
Just talked to my source on the ground from this board and he confirms Rumbas is closed. D' Latins is rumored to re-open. Classicos was strong last night. He also heard a rumor that police were going to be checking guys cell phones for unauthorized pictures.
Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operate:
De Noticias POP:
Sosua. -Tres discotecas fueron clausuradas anoche por falta de licencia de operaciand mediante un operativo realizado en la calle Pedro Clisante del municipio de Sosa, dirigido por el Ministerio Publico, Turismo, Cestur why polica nacional.
Las autoridades se presentaron a la 1:45 de la madrugada why procedieron a clausurar LOS las discotecas Bermuda Bar, BAR las Flores, Rancho Tipico Sosa why Rumba Bar.
Mr Enternational
07-09-16, 17:14
They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now y'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified.
Bet big money it will be open by next week if not tonight. Money talks and that place makes money.
Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operate:
De Noticias POP:
Sosua. -Tres discotecas fueron clausuradas anoche por falta de licencia de operaciand mediante un operativo realizado en la calle Pedro Clisante del municipio de Sosa, dirigido por el Ministerio Publico, Turismo, Cestur why polica nacional.
Las autoridades se presentaron a la 1:45 de la madrugada why procedieron a clausurar LOS las discotecas Bermuda Bar, BAR las Flores, Rancho Tipico Sosa why Rumba Bar.
They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now y'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified.
"Round up the usual suspects"
We'll all be back, (and so will you!)
Rent the movie, "Casablanca".
It's 60 years or so old, but it might give you a clue on how these places operate :)
Mr Enternational
07-09-16, 17:44
We'll all be back, (and so will you!)
Rent the movie, "Casablanca".
It's 60 years or so old, but it might give you a clue on how these places operate :)Same things were said about Help Disco, Balcony Bar, and Meia Pataca in Rio. Them shits have been gone forever, yet every week someone comes on ISG asking if they have reopened yet.
And might I add La Passion and D'Latin in Sosua as well.
Same things were said about Help Disco, Balcony Bar, and Meia Pataca in Rio. Them shits have been gone forever, yet every week someone comes on ISG asking if they have reopened yet.
And might I add La Passion and D'Latin in Sosua as well.The more things change, the more things stay the same.
I just booked my trip, If I'm the last guy to monger down there, I'll turn off the lights for ya!
Tempoecorto
07-09-16, 19:00
I just booked my trip, If I'm the last guy to monger down there, I'll turn off the lights for ya!Jajaja! This fresh brouhaha is funny as usual, as it was revealing to know a major hallmark like Rumba was operating without a license and it is nowhere near Morocco. The good news is that in Sosua, one does not need a Rumba or any of the other spots. There are plenty walking around even during the day time that would be happy to do the deed, even with those hapless without Spanish. Besides if Rumba is gone, can "ay caramba" be far behind to take its place?
SavePros321
07-09-16, 19:01
Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operateSounds like a shakedown to me. The ones who don't have the money to pay the "License to operate" will remain closed.
What was the name of the place that the Vice Mayor of Sosua (Willie) owned?
Mr Enternational
07-09-16, 19:11
Sounds like a shakedown to me. The ones who don't have the money to pay the "License to operate" will remain closed.
What was the name of the place that the Vice Mayor of Sosua (Willie) owned?I don't think Willy owned the'Latin. He just had a hand in it. But if it was about a shakedown, whose palm was he supposed to be greasing seeing that he was one of the top dogs in the city?
SavePros321
07-09-16, 21:02
I don't think Willy owned the'Latin. He just had a hand in it. But if it was about a shakedown, whose palm was he supposed to be greasing seeing that he was one of the top dogs in the city?Yeah, that's what I was asking. I thought he was the owner and was wondering how is club could get shut down being that he was one of the top officials in Sosua.
My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.
Yeah, that's what I was asking. I thought he was the owner and was wondering how is club could get shut down being that he was one of the top officials in Sosua.Willy was the manager of Latinos back in the day but the older Canadian owner passed and his sons didn't want the club. Willy disappeared for a little but came back strong with new investors and opened the'Latins. I was with someone (I think it was Mr E and his brother) and I walked in the'Latins and Willy spoke to me and told me he just paid one million dollars for Classicos and Merengue. The next night Willy had this short black bodyguard in a suit shadowing him as he went across the street and met with Armondo. Willy would later interchange security between the two clubs. In my next trip Willy was now at Merengue as the'Latins was now a dark closed big albatross.
Willy had a falling out with Mayor Newman and decided to run against her in the 2016 election. Willy campaigned hard and lost by 2 percent. People were pissed and some viewed the election as a direction that Sosua would follow. Willy was for the Sosua that we love and know. The street people and club owners campaigned hard for him. Mayor Newman was against everything we loved about Sosua. If you read my post from last week I said " The smart girls were probably laying low awaiting the fallout from the election". Well now we see the fallout. Is it temporary? Time will tell, but someone also posted last week that the families were taking over Sosua earlier in the week before the weekend wolf packs arrive. What better way to send a message to the weekend boys than to close Rumbas and three other clubs while also restricting the operational hours?
I'm hearing the hotels can't continue to survive with only capacity Friday's and Saturdays and 40 percent or less the other days. Same with the beach owners. The expensive airfares could also be in play, Sosua is no longer a vacation place for us but a weekend party place or a drop in spot for explorers. I know only two veterans from this board who stay in Sosua longer than the weekend and that's Tomjackin and Chief Justice but they come from the west coast of America so I understand. Plus they love the beach.
It's funny, but I was telling BQ Ribs last week that I remember the days (2007-2009) when girls would fuck you, make your bed and straighten your room, then sit politely waiting to see if you wanted to spend time with them or if you were going to pay them to leave. How did we fuck that up LOL?
Jajaja! This fresh brouhaha is funny as usual, as it was revealing to know a major hallmark like Rumba was operating without a license and it is nowhere near Morocco. The good news is that in Sosua, one does not need a Rumba or any of the other spots. There are plenty walking around even during the day time that would be happy to do the deed, even with those hapless without Spanish. Besides if Rumba is gone, can "ay caramba" be far behind to take its place?No brouhaha!
I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.
In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.
If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.
She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.
We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year).
I just booked my next trip with the one guy I would go down there with. We already have some hot chicas lined up, and I may get to try a couple new ones in before the novia shows up. But the truth is mongering gets stale for me after a couple of days, then I need something more fulfilling. Enter Princessa Novia.
So I have got it all figured out, not only for me, but for my buddy too, guaranteed.
From her side, she gets a week's holiday with me, two modest shopping trips, Playera and La Sirena, and whatever is left over in my wallet from my budget at the airport.
So pardon me if I get a little impatient here, with losers who can't enjoy Sosua for what it is, yet insist on telling me how I am all fucked up! LOL.
I can "communicate", thank you, I have "diversified" thank you, and I spend as much time "outside" of Sosua as in it, thank you. I'm not a WU Novio, thank you! Don't need Classico, don't need Rhumba, don't need zombie street hoes. Don't need Viagra. Thank you all!
I don't need to change a thing, but don't let the door hit you when y'all "move on". LOL.
My purpose here is simply to let newbies know what is possible, as a few of the more positive vets here did for me when I was new. It really did change my life.
It's called giving back.
My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.Where does Sosua fit into your plans? Blackbeard's is on the other side of Puerto Plata from Sosua. As for finding women, just step outside of your deluxe room, go down to the pool and there they are.
SavePros321
07-10-16, 04:06
Willy had a falling out with Mayor Newman and decided to run against her in the 2016 election. Willy campaigned hard and lost by 2 percent. People were pissed and some viewed the election as a direction that Sosua would follow. Willy was for the Sosua that we love and know. The street people and club owners campaigned hard for him. Mayor Newman was against everything we loved about Sosua. If you read my post from last week I said " The smart girls were probably laying low awaiting the fallout from the election". Well now we see the fallout. Is it temporary? Time will tell, but someone also posted last week that the families were taking over Sosua earlier in the week before the weekend wolf packs arrive. What better way to send a message to the weekend boys than to close Rumbas and three other clubs while also restricting the operational hours?
Thanks for the backstory on this Gogo. I was actually wondering what had happened to Willy (for some reason I thought he ended up being the Mayor).
No brouhaha!
I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.
In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.
If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.
She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.
We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year)..Mr. Oakie,
That is some straight man in the arena talk. Tell them brother. Stay positive. We both know who doesn't count. I relate to your desire to fornicate without debate.
Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.
Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.Was so many hot ones last night and 200+tonight, everything so good many many 8-9's then just now police come arrest all the girls, crazy, first one to tell it just happened now!
Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.Cabarete jam in all weekend. 3:32 am Gun shots fired on main strip, 20-25 rounds, I'm on balcony now trying to figure out if any body hurt, police just went speeding by!
My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.I agree with the other post that if you are staying at BB, girls will not be your problem. Since you have been to their website to reserve rooms, suggest you sign up for their newsletter to get a better idea of the operation. There are usually more than a dozen there in two different shifts, waiting to get a client's attention.
Buses from Puerto Plata to Santiago are indeed cheap. Your only expense will be getting from BB to the POP bus station. The cabbies in Costambar are notorious price gougers.
Not sure what your arrival transportation is, but if a cabbie sent by BB, ask about the fare from BB to the POP bus station.
The process will be repeated in Santiago, so allow plenty of travel time for your appointments. The Caribe Tours bus schedules are available online.
It will probably take several days to get bored with easily accessible sex with a variety of women, but it will happen eventually. There is a small beach in Costambar, just 5 minutes walk from BB. Very quiet during the week, good place to rent a lounger, buy a beer, smoke a cigar in the shade, and watch the sea. You can split cab fare with your buddy to go to Puerto Plata. The Malecon, or seaside promenade is nothing special, but on the west side, there is a reconstructed Spanish fort from about the 16th century. There is often a local guide there, for just a dollar or two. At the hotel, ask about some of the activities available in cooperation with other ventures. Ask about the cable car just outside Puerto Plata. On some of these trips, consider inviting one of the girls whose company you particularly enjoy, to accompany you as your guide. Makes things easier sometimes, since they know the ropes, etc.
Oh, and since you seem to be totally new to this, the best place to change dollars is at Jenny's the small grocery just inside the gates of Costambar. As your cab enters, it will be on your right. Can't miss it. The pharmacy across the street sells the Dominican version of Cialis, called La Pela at very low prices.
So pardon me if I get a little impatient here, with losers who can't enjoy Sosua for what it is, yet insist on telling me how I am all fucked up! LOL.
I can "communicate", thank you, I have "diversified" thank you, and I spend as much time "outside" of Sosua as in it, thank you. I'm not a WU Novio, thank you! Don't need Classico, don't need Rhumba, don't need zombie street hoes. Don't need Viagra. Thank you all!
I don't need to change a thing, but don't let the door hit you when y'all "move on". LOL.
My purpose here is simply to let newbies know what is possible, as a few of the more positive vets here did for me when I was new. It really did change my life.
It's called giving back.I agree with this. For many people Sosua has offered wonderful experiences over the years. If you are a middle aged man, exactly how many resort places are there that you can go on your own make new friends and lovers, eat well, experience a foreign culture, mostly good weather, get affordable dental or medical treatment, and have a great time with attractive young women positively seeking out your company, especially in the US?
I think that is why those of us who have been around Sosua over the years, or lived in the area, get rather critical of people who show up and instantly denounce the place and say that they are on the next flight out, and feel deceived by the good reports of Sosua that they have read online and give simplistic reasons like "all the women I saw were fat" without really revealing anything more about why they traveled to Sosua, what they expected to find, how much effort they made to locate non-fat women, and so on.
The other elephant in the room that is rarely discussed here is how attractive to women those potential mongers were in the first place. The truth is that if you were were reasonably successful as an amateur, you will probably have more success with pros, but if you were a complete failure in your amateur career, there might be something about you that is unattractive to women.
Having said that, I will also say that mongering is something that quickly gets old after a few trips, and that one has to move on and branch out, as Oakie says. Quite frankly I personally do not find the vast majority of women hanging out in Sosua attractive, but I have never found it hard to find one or two that I would like to get to know better--and really that is all you need.
Phreeman69
07-10-16, 16:03
Rumbas has been closed the last two nights, as others reported, and the girls can't stand out on the street. Previously there would be about 50 girls lining the sidewalks all night long. Classicos disco was full last night, and downstairs was pretty full. A couple of the girls I know went to Cabarete, but others stayed in Sosua and they said they had no trouble from the police to go into a bar. Classicos did seem to have a lot more guys last night (Saturday), and the girls wanted more. (one home-looking one demanded 200 US, WTF? I pulled a cutie for 1500, though, with no complaints. This morning two phone / whatsapp girls I contacted for afternoon sessions turned down 1500, wanting 3000. Maybe there is the weekend bump in prices.
Where does Sosua fit into your plans? Blackbeard's is on the other side of Puerto Plata from Sosua. As for finding women, just step outside of your deluxe room, go down to the pool and there they are.I do not know where it fits in, I guess it doesn't I was just looking for any information since I would be close. Maybe there is a place in Sosua that's worth the taxi ride. But maybe not then.
Was so many hot ones last night and 200+tonight, everything so good many many 8-9's then just now police come arrest all the girls, crazy, first one to tell it just happened now!So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!
http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html
This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.
I think that is why those of us who have been around Sosua over the years, or lived in the area, get rather critical of people who show up and instantly denounce the place and say that they are on the next flight out, and feel deceived by the good reports of Sosua that they have read online and give simplistic reasons like "all the women I saw were fat" without really revealing anything more about why they traveled to Sosua, what they expected to find, how much effort they made to locate non-fat women, and so on.So, you are critical of people who travel to Sosua and then file a trip report expressing an unfavorable opinion of the place because personally you like it. Didn't you write that you don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive? I personally appreciate having the opportunity read a diversity of reviews about a place. Nothing in this life is all good or all bad. The Kia owner does not have to be critical of the BMW owner because the BMW owner test drove a Kia and didn't like it.
I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.
I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.
My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.
I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.
PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?
No brouhaha!
I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.
In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.
If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.
She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.
We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year)..
I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.
I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.
My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.
I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.
PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?Exactamente amigo, when there get a DR phone and the chicas will come to you. Also using wassap on your American phone can keep you in contact with girls who are mobile. I have two guys on the scene from this board reporting to me on the back channels and both talk about the crackdown in effect but they are still having a ball. To quote one guy "The girls are hungry".
Also here is a report about the crackdown:
Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic. -Justice minister Francisco Dominguez on Tuesday said his prosecutors and other authorities decidedly confront the prostitution affecting the North Coast, especially Sosua township.
He said the authorities have a new strategy to deal with prostitution involving Dominicans and foreigners in Sosúa, in coordination with the Tourism and Interior and Police ministries.
Dominguez said over several months Sosúa business leaders and representatives from social organizations have expressed concern about the increasing presence of sex workers on the streets of the town, so much so that it has affected family tourism in the entire North Coast.
The official said several businesses have shuttered in Sosúa during his tenure but acknowledged that this practice remains latent in the streets, despite the efforts.
I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.
I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.
My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.
I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.
PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?Is there a link to the 200 arrest story? Who and why?
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 17:27
No brouhaha! I was referring to the latest closures in Sosua.
Unlike you, I have no fixed party in the DR but the whole island is a great play ground. That said, there is certainly something to be said for people you have built a relationship with and who like the idea of seeing you again and the sex is typically way superior. This stands in sharp contrast to the Sosua overnight pick ups.
Personally, and I have stated this unabashedly over my time here, I have loved Sosua (and the DR) since my first trip and though I have not picked up anyone from the bars in the last several years, and so do not care about the bars at all, I enjoy the place, the food in particular and the "let your hair down, all women are approachable" ambiance.
So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!
http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html
This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.Sorry not all the girls, I seen at least 15-20 taken away, but ruined the party, seen much much girls went running away, that was like 1 am then around 3 am multi-able rounds of gun fire on main road when people leaving beach.
For most part was enough girls around all week to make for good time.
I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.
I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.
My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.
I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.
PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?Their was at least 200 girls around last night, not all girls were arrested, but they did grad a bunch, and as result many many girls went running, it ruined the good party seen that was happening, could not believe how many hot chicks were here last night!
SavePros321
07-10-16, 17:51
He also heard a rumor that police were going to be checking guys cell phones for unauthorized pictures.I can't see how the authorities would even pull this off. They literally would have to be stopping guys in the street and patting them down to see if they have a cell phone on them, and them ask them to unlock their phone, and navigate to their photo albums. I doubt most of the Police know how to operate most of the variations of smart phone out there.
What would they do if someone decided to not unlock their phone for them, play dumb and say "I just bought this phone and do not know how everything works", or simply told them to "fuck off"? Are they going to throw them in jail?
I would chalk this one up to just a very bad rumor that your friend heard.
Manizales911
07-10-16, 18:00
I can't see how the authorities would even pull this off. They literally would have to be stopping guys in the street and patting them down to see if they have a cell phone on them, and them ask them to unlock their phone, and navigate to their photo albums. I doubt most of the Police know how to operate most of the variations of smart phone out there. What would they do if someone decided to play dumb and say "I just bought this phone and do not know how everything works", or simply told them to "fuck off". Are they going to throw them in jail?
I would chalk this one up to just a very bad rumor that your friend heard.They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.
My only concern is the rumor reported that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.As a practical matter how are the police going to check your phone if you keep it locked. Are they going to ask you to give them the code? On what basis? If you refuse to give them the code are they going to seize your phone? Or will they arrest you for failing to follow a lawful police order? Even if that happens your phone is still locked. From a simple public relations standpoint, it wouldn't be a very good policy. And this entire push is about public relations and a desire to reallocate capital and change the flow of income. I don't see how the police could institute such a policy if you were not doing anything illegal to begin with. And prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic.
Everyone interested in continuing to do business will find a work around. Things are just in transition right now. There is probably enough business to support a smart phone app focusing on Sosua hooks ups. LOL!
SavePros321
07-10-16, 18:20
They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.I would say the main difference is Dominican Citizen vs. Tourists. From most of what I've learned about the DR over the years, it seems like they have no problem shitting on their own people (like throwing chicas in jail for no reason). Most guys travel there in packs. If a group of 10 guys decided they are not going to show the police their cell phone, I'm going to safely say they are not taking all of them to jail.
If EVERY guy in Sosua decided they are not going to show the Police their cell phones, that's a hell of a lot of guys getting put in jail. That's going to bring a lot of unwanted attention, especially for a place heavily dependent on tourism. All it will take is for a few guys who are not there for sex tourism getting thrown in jail by the police and it turns out they are well connected on the island and back in their home country for heads to start to roll.
Normally I agree with you Mani, but on this one I will call BS. But if and when the first story pops up here about it happening, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.
They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.Not without consequences. Put a chica in jail who do they have to answer too. But throw a foreigner in jail somebody from the embassy of the case are at least going to check on them. Throw enough of them in jail it will make it onto the web and eventually a major news outlet will report on it. Besides you can get yourself out of that situation very easily if you handle yourself correctly. A chica has no form of back up whatsoever. But the rumor is every single one of them can get out of jail with a 1500 DOP bribe (ahem, I meant to say fine).
They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.What stops them is money. They might try it for a few days, but it won't last. After dealing with a few belligerent tourists, the police will decide they aren't getting paid enough for this crap. Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of it, but I doubt if that will last. Sosua needs the tourist dollars. Take away the star attraction and the dollars fly away.
My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.Just a piece of advice, don't eat pussy or kiss the girls after the implant operation.
SavePros321
07-10-16, 18:33
Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of itI think this is not talked about enough: motive. I think it is safe to assume that if you are an underpaid Police officer in Sosua and you have the power to arrest a bunch of chicas and tell them "Your get out of jail free card tonight is sucking and fucking", you might be inclined to exercise that power, no?
You don't think it bothers these guys to see the Weekend Baller crews dropping a month's worth of a Policeman's salary on some fine ass in one weekend? Some of them have families to feed and would never be able to pay 2000-3000 pesos for some prime ass. Why not blackmail chicas by locking them up and making them pay with their ass to be set free? You'd go home with your balls drained every night as long as you caught some chicas slipping.
Another reason why, during my last trip to Sosua in 2012, you NEVER EVER EVER saw any of the dime chicas (8's, 9's, 10's) strolling the strip at night. When I was standing in line at Classicos, all of those bad-ass top-notch-looking chicas took a moto right up to the front door of the place. They were not risking getting arrested and blackmailed by the cops.
All those nasty, unattractive, "fat" chicas you see guys here complaining about that they see strolling the strip have nothing to lose. They may make some money, or they may not. If they get locked up and have to fuck in order to be set free, then that's the chance they take trying to earn some pesos.
Those 8's, 9's, and 10's know they will make their money and then some just in a couple of hours in Classicos. They don't need to spend all evening strolling the strip.
MrPootyTang999
07-10-16, 18:36
What stops them is money. They might try it for a few days, but it won't last. After dealing with a few belligerent tourists, the police will decide they aren't getting paid enough for this crap. Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of it, but I doubt if that will last. Sosua needs the tourist dollars. Take away the star attraction and the dollars fly away.Even if they are checking phones, what can they possibly charge you with. I don't think it's illegal to have any kind of nude pics or pictures.
Of guys and girls messing around as long as they are adults. Now if someone's thing is minors then he or she deserves to be locked up.
And the key thrown away, that's just wrong!
Just my 2 cents; stay safe everyone.
This happened two weeks ago when a few guys were arrested filming a fully clothed model in Sosua. Not trying to scare folks just reporting the news.
Sosúa, Puerto Plata -. They were arrested by the National Police a group of tourists who allegedly recorded one xxx film in that municipality.
The incident occurred Thursday afternoon when a group of African Americans to take pictures of a beautiful model hanging in the rubble of the old restaurant located in the area Rocca Batey, Sosúa.
Although it was not naked exhibited his skills while cameramen doing their job. Many onlookers filled the street corner Pedro Clisante. Including children, a situation that drew the attention of a patrol of the National Police.
All were arrested and are expected to know if they had permits the Mayor and the Dom.
So, you are critical of people who travel to Sosua and then file a trip report expressing an unfavorable opinion of the place because personally you like it. Didn't you write that you don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive? I personally appreciate having the opportunity read a diversity of reviews about a place. Nothing in this life is all good or all bad. The Kia owner does not have to be critical of the BMW owner because the BMW owner test drove a Kia and didn't like it.No I didn't write that I don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive, I said that I don't find the vast majority of the girls attractive, but that I have always been able to find one or two that I was sufficiently attracted to, which is all that one needs. RTFF, please.
I don't mind if people write negative reports on Sosua if the report is reasoned and objective, and provides examples of what the person didn't like and why. For example if you say "I have a bit of a fetish for really skinny girls, and when I did eventually find one I liked the look of, her personality was dull and her performance in bed was hopeless. All the rest of the girls I saw were too fat to sexually excite me, so I decided I might as well spend my money on a ticket change rather than spend it on girls who had no appeal to me, and thus cut my losses on hotel bills and paid vacation time", this would at least send out a warning to those who shared your tastes.
BTW, a comparison of a BMW and a Kia does not seem very relevant, because a BMW is an expensive luxury high performance German car, and a Kia is about the cheapest brand of car you can buy, so it isn't just a question of personal taste, as most people would prefer a BMW over a Kia if the price was the same.
I think this is not talked about enough: motive. I think it is safe to assume that if you are an underpaid Police officer in Sosua and you have the power to arrest a bunch of chicas and tell them "Your get out of jail free card tonight is sucking and fucking", you might be inclined to exercise that power, no?
You don't think it bothers these guys to see the Weekend Baller crews dropping a month's worth of a Policeman's salary on some fine ass in one weekend? Some of them have families to feed and would never be able to pay 2000-3000 pesos for some prime ass. Why not blackmail chicas by locking them up and making them pay with their ass to be set free? You'd go home with your balls drained every night as long as you caught some chicas slipping.
Another reason why, during my last trip to Sosua in 2012, you NEVER EVER EVER saw any of the dime chicas (8's, 9's, 10's) strolling the strip at night. When I was standing in line at Classicos, all of those bad-ass top-notch-looking chicas took a moto right up to the front door of the place. They were not risking getting arrested and blackmailed by the cops.
All those nasty, unattractive, "fat" chicas you see guys here complaining about that they see strolling the strip have nothing to lose. They may make some money, or they may not. If they get locked up and have to fuck in order to be set free, then that's the chance they take trying to earn some pesos.
Those 8's, 9's, and 10's know they will make their money and then some just in a couple of hours in Classicos. They don't need to spend all evening strolling the strip.Don't you think large scale arrests would have to be approved ahead of time by the hierarchy, due to the amount of resources needed?
I was referring to the latest closures in Sosua.
Unlike you, I have no fixed party in the DR but the whole island is a great play ground. That said, there is certainly something to be said for people you have built a relationship with and who like the idea of seeing you again and the sex is typically way superior. This stands in sharp contrast to the Sosua overnight pick ups.
Personally, and I have stated this unabashedly over my time here, I have loved Sosua (and the DR) since my first trip and though I have not picked up anyone from the bars in the last several years, and so do not care about the bars at all, I enjoy the place, the food in particular and the "let your hair down, all women are approachable" ambiance.Makes for interesting conversation, we all care about our favorite bar, hotel, restaurant or the main venues that attract the chicas.
But the stuff that goes on is petty politics. A show of the flag to placate some of the more demanding citizens who don't make a living off prostitution. I've seen the on again and off again crackdowns on covering the bar windows, chicas entering a bar alone, strolling alone, not wearing a moto helmet, and the monthly round up of hookers, especially the Haitians. Bars are closed and then re-opened as if nothing happened.
Fact is Sosua runs on prostitution, and without it, it would be just another La Union, Abajo or Charamichos barrio.
The folks who really run Sosua won't let all that dinero disappear.
If they really wanted change they could simply declare Sosua a "Re-development Zone", and pass a bylaw against prostitution. Throw a couple mongers in jail and Bingo! Cuba here we come!
So relax, we'll all be having this conversation again next year like we had it last year, and the year before.
SavePros321
07-10-16, 19:00
Don't you think large scale arrests would have to be approved ahead of time by the hierarchy, due to the amount of resources needed?Well, they only need a handful, nothing large scale. RacShack came back and clarified his original post. They didn't arrest 200 chicas:
Sorry not all the girls, I seen at least 15-20 taken away, but ruined the party, seen much much girls went running away
And define "approved by the hierarchy". The police chief? I have no doubt the top dog is in on it as well. If he's getting some jailed ass too, then he'll approve all the resources they need, lmao!
Just imagine an African Warlord patiently awaiting the "tribute" his soldiers are bringing back to him as a result of the "spoils of war". This is a 3rd World Country we are talking about, so it's not a far stretch to make the comparison.
BTW, a comparison of a BMW and a Kia does not seem very relevant, because a BMW is an expensive luxury high performance German car, and a Kia is about the cheapest brand of car you can buy, so it isn't just a question of personal taste, as most people would prefer a BMW over a Kia if the price was the same.If that's how you see it. But it actually takes a higher skill level to drive a BMW and certain drivers do not posses that skill set.
But when it comes to women, each and everyone of us has our own personal tastes. And some writers report that the women of Sosua do not meet their personal tastes. When an individual posts a critical report, it's not solely up to you do decide if the report meets your quality criteria. Nor does it invalidate the validity of the report or that particular individuals observations. Others in the forum might find something useful within it, even if the information is critical of Sosua. It may not stop other people from visiting but it may allow that person to avoid the item the other writer found unpleasant.
BTW, I do RTFF. Which is why I know most of your reports are highly critical in general. You are not just critical of those who post negative reports about Sosua. I remember making a positive post about Sosua. And you still had something critical to say about my report.
Charles Pooter
07-10-16, 19:45
My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. ... Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.I agree that Blackbeards is a good place for a first trip but do not understand your closing sentence. The whole point of staying at Blackbeards is that you have chicas instantly available onsite. You will be paying a small premium for your rooms, food and drink in exchange for this facility. There will be more than enough chicas for you and your friend for nine nights.
There are plenty of options for outings. Taxis are expensive but at least there are two of you to share. If you want a cheaper option, take a moto to the entrance gate of Costambar and catch the JC publico (public shared taxi) from there into Puerto Plata. For comfort, you and your friend could buy four seats so you have the whole back seat to yourself for about US $4. A private taxi from Blackbeards is about US $15. Once in Puerto Plata it is cheap and easy to get to anywhere else such as Sosua or Cabarete. But you need to get back to Blackbeards before dark if using the JC service It is like Cinderella's pumpkin coach. It vanishes after a certain hour. But that is OK as it is the daytime when you will feel the need to take a break away from campus.
I am not sure what sort of dental treatment you are undertaking. If it is radical, you may not feel up to partying every day when you are not being treated. If it is comparatively minor, it seems hardly worth going to Santiago. There are many very competent specialists in Puerto Plata, such as the one I recommended. If you are having your face seriously re-arranged, then I agree Santiago would be the safest option, but you may not want to do much muff-diving while the work is ongoing.
If you have a local phone I would be pleased to meet you in Puerto Plata during the daytime and show you a few places, if this is set up in advance. I live there.
By the way, is your friend having treatment too. If not, what will he be up to while you are in Santiago? He won't want to waste two days out of a nine day trip.
So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!
http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html
This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.
Manizales911
07-10-16, 20:07
I would say the main difference is Dominican Citizen vs. Tourists. From most of what I've learned about the DR over the years, it seems like they have no problem shitting on their own people (like throwing chicas in jail for no reason). Most guys travel there in packs. If a group of 10 guys decided they are not going to show the police their cell phone, I'm going to safely say they are not taking all of them to jail.
If EVERY guy in Sosua decided they are not going to show the Police their cell phones, that's a hell of a lot of guys getting put in jail. That's going to bring a lot of unwanted attention, especially for a place heavily dependent on tourism. All it will take is for a few guys who are not there for sex tourism getting thrown in jail by the police and it turns out they are well connected on the island and back in their home country for heads to start to roll.
Normally I agree with you Mani, but on this one I will call BS. But if and when the first story pops up here about it happening, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.
According to my sleuthing the article on the arrests dates back to at least June of 2011, when an archive of the website was downloaded:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110621010834/http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html
That's my small contribution for today. I'm traveling to Sosua in about 2. 5 weeks. If all the clubs have really closed and the chicas stopped showing up, I may just stay at Blackbeards because hunting on Tinder / Badoo / Facebook is time consuming and very uncertain. If the cute girls are still coming to whatever is open on the weekends, I will stay in Sosua.
So I'll ask a small favor of those who are on the ground: please let us know if the clubs are open and the girls are there next weekend.
Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. s.I don't have auto login on any of my electronic devices (Precaution against the girlfriend snooping, so even if she gets my passcode to my phone, she isn't getting anything incriminating). I wonder if the police would have made you give them your password to facebook too.
Manizales911
07-10-16, 21:24
I don't have auto login on any of my electronic devices (Precaution against the girlfriend snooping, so even if she gets my passcode to my phone, she isn't getting anything incriminating). I wonder if the police would have made you give them your password to facebook too.I admittedly was not prepared when this happened but again, I have nothing to hide. I returned to Canada two weeks ago and this time I just removed all my apps from my Iphone and Ipad and reinstalled them once in Canada, they did not ask to see my phone this time, I flew this time around and they did not search me although I still went through secondary.
Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.That's what you get for following the rules.
Next time, hide your passport and Visa, walk across the river, and tell 'em you're a refugee, running from, say Trump, or the Tea Party, or the draft, and they'll give you a hot drink, warm clothes, and put you up at one of our waterfront hotels for an indefinite period and start locating and bringing your family in for you.
Then you can walk a block or so and use your food allowance for a couple table dances at Filmore's.
I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc.There are apps that can hide your files and provide a false front that gives the impression you have unlocked the phone and are viewing the full contents of the data. Or travel with a clean phone that you just use to communicate. You could have an inexpensive BLU for when you are on the street and leave your main one in your room safe.
Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.This Hobo guy tweeted a link to this article on June 18,2011. https://mobile.twitter.com/hobotraveler/status/82121809385893888.
Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.No, I didn't post anything on DR1. I still don't see any dateline on that report, which I found on Google, but I mentioned that it was undated as a warning that it might not be current news. At the bottom it says copyright 2011 to 2016. I did not play the video.
I looked for news on the Sosua arrests, because it was hard to believe that there would be no reports in any media of 200 women being arrested in Sosua, but now the person who made the original report here on ISG has retracted that claim. This report was the closest thing I could find, and I suspected it might not be current.
Tempoecorto
07-10-16, 22:39
I looked for news on the Sosua arrests, because it was hard to believe that there would be no reports in any media of 200 women being arrested in Sosua, but now the person who made the original report here on ISG has retracted that claim. You were not alone, reading that post, I too thought the police have bagged all 200 girls, which certainly would be very odd, compared to the usual 10-15 pick ups that happen nightly. I guess I am not the only one here with English as a second language. LOL.
Here is an update of what I know. I am always sensitive about saying things because do not want people to think I am just putting down Sosua.
First, let me say this I really like Sosua. I am sure many of you know that the beach is very popular with the tour operators with the resorts in puerta plata. In fact, that is where they take there tourists to go snorkeling in the back area of Sosua.
Now what I do know. There have been presentations that have been made to make sosua similar to playa del carmen in mexico. A former run down town that is now very popular with tourists. It started with the anchor tenant the Gansevoort Hotel. They are a big supporter of this plan along with other real estate investors. For those of you who say you get off the strip, then you would know if you take a right after the police station there is a huge new development going up. Please stop focusing on the strip focus what is taking place off the strip that will tell you what is really happening. Secondly, I have said before if you really got off the strip the back of Sosua has multimillion dollar homes that have a lot of influence on what is taking place. Take your girl back there and go swimming if you say you get off the block. Once the Gansevoort starting getting negative reviews on the prostitution issues from there clients they were not happy. Along with real estate developers, they are now not tolerant of the prostitution issue and have told the tourism minister fix it now. They want it stopped. Your money is not important to them and they could care less about some women not making money and bars who cater to you and them. Will it work do not know, but it might. Time will tell.
SavePros321
07-11-16, 00:00
Once the Gansevoort starting getting negative reviews on the prostitution issues from there clients they were not happy. Along with real estate developers, they are now not tolerant of the prostitution issue and have told the tourism minister fix it now. They want it stopped. Your money is not important to them and they could care less about some women not making money and bars who cater to you and them. Will it work do not know, but it might. Time will tell.Now this will be very interesting! Foreign interests coming in and telling Dominicans what to do and when to do it! Especially since the local Dominican in no way benefit from any of this development taking place. I understand the guys at the top will receive money for towing the line, but what about everyone else? Are these developers going to drive down the street tossing pesos out the window while begging everyone to just please go away?
It seems like you are in a very good spot if you are a bar, restaurant, or hotel owner in Sosua right now. The more they want your place closed to drive away prostitution, the more valuable your business becomes. You can ask for the sky and receive it.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:
But the stuff that goes on is petty politics. A show of the flag to placate some of the more demanding citizens who don't make a living off prostitution. I've seen the on again and off again crackdowns on covering the bar windows, chicas entering a bar alone, strolling alone, not wearing a moto helmet, and the monthly round up of hookers, especially the Haitians. Bars are closed and then re-opened as if nothing happened.
Fact is Sosua runs on prostitution, and without it, it would be just another La Union, Abajo or Charamichos barrio.
The folks who really run Sosua won't let all that dinero disappear.
If they really wanted change they could simply declare Sosua a "Re-development Zone", and pass a bylaw against prostitution. Throw a couple mongers in jail and Bingo! Cuba here we come!
So relax, we'll all be having this conversation again next year like we had it last year, and the year before.
I can recall the first BIG crackdown happening in 2011. Here we are 5 years later...
Now this will be very interesting! Foreign interests coming in and telling Dominicans what to do and when to do it! Especially since the local Dominican in no way benefit from any of this development taking place. I understand the guys at the top will receive money for towing the line, but what about everyone else? Are these developers going to drive down the street tossing pesos out the window while begging everyone to just please go awa
It seems like you are in a very good spot if you are a bar, restaurant, or hotel owner in Sosua right now. The more they want your place closed to drive away prostitution, the more valuable your business becomes. You can ask for the sky and receive it.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using physical violence or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:I do not disagree with your comments. But you did not have a Gansevoort and new new real estate development happening. It was just all talk the tourists are coming but not now. You have one of the most expensive hotels in all of the Dominican Republic leading the charge.
Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:
...That is exactly what they did with the prostitution bars around the west end of the Malecon in Puerto Plata several years ago. The small prostitution bars and short stay hotel were all bulldozed and only Cristal's club remained plus one massage place.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:You'd better watch it, you'll be getting hate mail :)
But Revere has a point.
I reported after my last trip the relatively quiet development that has been going on on the back beaches. My GF and I were checking out high end condos for a buddy of mine. He wanted the best. We walked from Infiniti Blu to Blue Bayou, and were stunned by this huge Gansevoort Ocean Club and Spa Resort. My words were WTF? Who's going to pay those prices to stay in Sosua. ?
The GF, who is well connected locally couldn't believe it. Probably some of you residents down there are familiar with it, but to me it seemed to pop up literally overnight, with little publicity. It is major luxury Resort Hotel / Condo development, that you cannot see from anywhere in Sosua unless you actually go down that quiet little back road. But it is still in the heart of Sosua.
To your point, of course, and I checked, they are not "guest friendly" as we understand the term. So I passed.
So you can imagine the tensions between those heavyweight investors and the local hooker bars. The politicians are caught in between. Who's gonna line their pockets more? :)
Funny thing, though, on their web site the Ocean Club advertise "close to sizzling nightlife"! So they'll probably encourage high end discos, clubs and resaurants.
Maybe high end hookers too?
It's always the little guy who gets kicked in the ass!
SavePros321
07-11-16, 00:38
I do not disagree with your comments. But you did not have a Gansevoort and new new real estate development happening. It was just al talk the tourists are coming but not now. You have one of the most expensive hotels in all of the Dominican Republic leading the charge.I hear you Revere. But remember it was not too long ago it was supposedly the cruise lines like Carnival leading the charge after that port was built in (I forget the name of the place).
I don't doubt what you are saying is taking place, but the only way you are going to keep men and chicas from coming to Sosua is if the hotels there tell them they can no longer bring chicas back to their room (changing their policy of being "Guest Friendly"). I will say they mean business once that happens. You take away a monger's place to conduct business with a chica (hotel room) and there is no reason to go there anymore.
Otherwise I think chicas will continue to risk getting arrested so long as there are guys continuing to show up to Sosua and pay for their services. If she can make 16,000 pesos over the course of 4 days (two sessions at 2000 pesos per day), then a night in jail may be worth the risk to her.
So keep an eye on New Garden, Terra Linda, Europa, and Wilfred's place (don't remember the name of his hotel) as a sign of any meaningful changes to come...
I hear you Revere. But remember it was not too long ago it was supposedly the cruise lines like Carnival leading the charge after that port was built in (I forget the name of the place).
I don't doubt what you are saying is taking place, but the only way you are going to keep men and chicas from coming to Sosua is if the hotels there tell them they can no longer bring chicas back to their room (changing their policy of being "Guest Friendly"). I will say they mean business once that happens. You take away a monger's place to conduct business with a chica (hotel room) and there is no reason to go there anymore.
Otherwise I think chicas will continue to risk getting arrested so long as there are guys continuing to show up to Sosua and pay for their services. If she can make 16,000 pesos over the course of 4 days (two sessions at 2000 pesos per day), then a night in jail may be worth the risk to her.
So keep an eye on New Garden, Terra Linda, Europa, and Wilfred's place (don't remember the name of his hotel) as a sign of any meaningful changes to come...I here you I am just telling you what I know nothing in it for me. I think everyone would be happy if the crowd was high end and it less open and in your face to the tourists who walk through, but that makes it great for a lot of other people. I do not know the answer to the right mix. You cannot make everyone happy. Still, i cannot imagine police messing with men. Either way has no effect on my flow. I took that bus one time from santo domingo and hated every minute of it. Forced me to step up my game and learn spainish and see what the country really had to offer. Again, othet people might love the bus it is easy and safe i just like to move around when i want. Met some cool people moving around met a lot of cool people who live in the back of sosua that will give you a good perspective on what is going on.
I reported after my last trip the relatively quiet development that has been going on on the back beaches. My GF and I were checking out high end condos for a buddy of mine. He wanted the best. We walked from Infiniti Blu to Blue Bayou, and were stunned by this huge Gansevoort Ocean Club and Spa Resort. My words were WTF? Who's going to pay those prices to stay in Sosua?Another great post my man. I googled the place and checked out the website. And now I understand the push. Looks like an appearance thing to me. The politicians are probably working both ends as we speak. It's not a competition. It's finding a way for both to co-exist so the money can flow into each pocket from both directions. High end hookers indeed. LOL. But even on the high end they need some privacy. Those rich guys can't be taking putas back to The Ocean Club.
Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.There's a major difference. In Canada the police and border patrol are highly trained, we'll paid and have excellent benefits. In the DR I doubt if the police have much training, I'm certain their pay and benefits are at the low end of the scale.
Those highly trained Canadians know the laws and you aren't going to be able to intimidate them or confuse them. However, the DR police, from all reports, seem to be uncertain, unless they've been given specific guidance. They are willing to try for the easy bribe, but that's about it.
You must have really pissed off Canada. I cross the border every week and never have any issues.
Another great post my man. I googled the place and checked out the website. And now I understand the push. Looks like an appearance thing to me. The politicians are probably working both ends as we speak. It's not a competition. It's finding a way for both to co-exist so the money can flow into each pocket from both directions. High end hookers indeed. LOL. But even on the high end they need some privacy. Those rich guys can't be taking putas back to The Ocean Club.Thanks.
I say this stuff is all going on over the heads of the average monger, and it make no sense to worry on the outcome. After all, back in 2000 or so, they flattened half of Charamicos to make way for a Marina down by the river. The hotel and the literally hundreds of condos they built there are still derelict.
(If anybody knows the full story of that debacle, please post!)
That would have been a major signal that the times they were a changin', and yet still nada!
Like Save a Pro says, keep an eye on the local hotels for any change in their "guest" policy.
Keep an eye on the PC strip, which IS Sosua, for any serious "reclaimation" efforts, whoever controls the street, runs the show :)
But most of all, keep an eye on the cops. The day they start hassling mongers the show is over!
Until then, don't worry, be happy!
Mr Enternational
07-11-16, 12:42
Like Save a Pro says, keep an eye on the local hotels for any change in their "guest" policy.Sosua is a horse of a different color. I don't know about New Garden, but the other hotels around there are owned by foreigners and they know the clientele that they have catered to for years is the monger. Plus there are no major chain hotels. The major chains are the ones that make guest policies, not the mom and pops. Also, there is no influx of tourists flocking in to occupy the rooms. Regardless, the guest policy in Sosua is not going to change.
Parkinsons
07-11-16, 13:22
http://elsoldesantiago.com/autoridades-inician-rescate-sosua-intervienen-negocios/
The officials are trying to propegate a few ideas that we know are BS: Drugs are rampant in Sosua; drugs and prostitution in Sosua are harming North Coast tourism; Sosua was once a family destination.
"En ese sentido, el fiscal titular de Puerto Plata, Osvaldo Bonilla dijo ayer sbado que con estas medidas se busca rescatar esa importante zona turstica de la prostituciand, trafico de drogas why que las visitas de familias sean retomadas como en tiempos atras. ".
"La semana pasada el procurador Francisco Domnguez Brito mostr su preocupaciand por el auge que ha tomado la presencia de trabajadoras sexuales en las calles de Sosa, al punto que ha degradado el turismo en la costa norte. ".
Well the changes won't affect me because my game is so superior, I don't need Sosua. (Actually I do. I am crying).
Charles Pooter
07-11-16, 15:04
I can recall the first BIG crackdown happening in 2011.It was not the first. It had happened nine (years earlier. In 2011 I remember the vets brushing it off and saying "we have been through all this before, it will revert to normal within a year".
http://elsoldesantiago.com/autoridades-inician-rescate-sosua-intervienen-negocios/
The officials are trying to propegate a few ideas that we know are BS: Drugs are rampant in Sosua; drugs and prostitution in Sosua are harming North Coast tourism; Sosua was once a family destination.
"En ese sentido, el fiscal titular de Puerto Plata, Osvaldo Bonilla dijo ayer sbado que con estas medidas se busca rescatar esa importante zona turstica de la prostituciand, trafico de drogas why que las visitas de familias sean retomadas como en tiempos atras. ".
"La semana pasada el procurador Francisco Domnguez Brito mostr su preocupaciand por el auge que ha tomado la presencia de trabajadoras sexuales en las calles de Sosa, al punto que ha degradado el turismo en la costa norte. ".
Well the changes won't affect me because my game is so superior, I don't need Sosua. (Actually I do. I am crying).I am checking this statement right now! I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves. I said it has no effect if changes are are made. Does not mean I am better than you. When Lebron took over game 7 in the fourth quarter with that blocked shot of the NBA championship he did it because he wanted it more in the moment. People did not say at the end of the game he thinks his game is so superior they said Lebron wanted it more and took it like a man and real men respected it. Just because I do not want to get off a plane and just sit on a strip and wait for the right girl to come along does not make me superior. I just want to win and I am not limiting myself to a few block radius. If I do not like what I see or feel I keep it moving. Does not make me superior I just want it and going to make it happen my way. I want it more than you and not afraid to say it. You go "cry" I will always make it happen and I am not comfortable just hanging out with uneducated prostitutes. I feel I can do better. Does not make me better than you.
I never hear people on this board saying I want to meet the hardest pro I can that will provide me with no GFE. No, they say they want to meet someone that makes them happy. Well I am not going to fly 4 hours and sit on a strip and see if that can happen. I am going to make it happen because I want it and confident in me in doing it and I do not have to hate on another man to make me feel better.
I keep saying a man who is confident in themselves never tries to put down another man and hate by hiding behind a computer. They are confident in themselves and never worry about what another man does or thinks. They listen to what he say's and see if that helps them in what they are trying to do. Now go sit behind your computer and think about that.
Tempoecorto
07-11-16, 17:43
I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves.What little I know of Parkinsons, his was just a tongue in cheek, unlikely to have been aimed at you.
Overall, I agree with Oakie. All these big speculations, are useless for most here including the undersigned. I spent a week or so, so far this year, in that town (and had a good time as usual) and so, what will or will not happen in the grand scheme of things is nothing but much ado about nothing! Indeed observer like Pooter, resident there, has already confirmed that it is. Nonetheless, it has scared off newbies like NZ smith, who is planning to be safe at BB, even though I would bet, things would very much remain the same in Sosua.
To have some current facts:
Is Rumba bar still closed or open till 12 pm?
Are there now far fewer girls on the streets and in the bars?
I am checking this statement right now! I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves. I said it has no effect if changes are are made. Does not mean I am better than you. When Lebron took over game 7 in the fourth quarter with that blocked shot of the NBA championship he did it because he wanted it more in the moment. People did not say at the end of the game he thinks his game is so superior they said Lebron wanted it more and took it like a man and real men respected it. Just because I do not want to get off a plane and just sit on a strip and wait for the right girl to come along does not make me superior. I just want to win and I am not limiting myself to a few block radius. If I do not like what I see or feel I keep it moving. Does not make me superior I just want it and going to make it happen my way. I want it more than you and not afraid to say it. You go "cry" I will always make it happen and I am not comfortable just hanging out with uneducated prostitutes. I feel I can do better. Does not make me better than you.
I never hear people on this board saying I want to meet the hardest pro I can that will provide me with no GFE. No, they say they want to meet someone that makes them happy. Well I am not going to fly 4 hours and sit on a strip and see if that can happen. I am going to make it happen because I want it and confident in me in doing it and I do not have to hate on another man to make me feel better.
I keep saying a man who is confident in themselves never tries to put down another man and hate by hiding behind a computer. They are confident in themselves and never worry about what another man does or thinks. They listen to what he say's and see if that helps them in what they are trying to do. Now go sit behind your computer and think about that.LOL You're looking in the wrong place for "game", or real men.
The "game" is had by the local hulos who fuck them for free and send them out to get money from us foreigners for their babies!
They don't post here :)
If you can't face this fact, you're going to have serious problems down there!
Real men, or guys with "game" don't pay for sex!
How can a monger who pays for sex, have "game" anyway?
Whats THAT all about?
Sosua is a horse of a different color. I don't know about New Garden, but the other hotels around there are owned by foreigners and they know the clientele that they have catered to for years is the monger. Plus there are no major chain hotels. The major chains are the ones that make guest policies, not the mom and pops. Also, there is no influx of tourists flocking in to occupy the rooms. Regardless, the guest policy in Sosua is not going to change.I agree.
Hotel owners (and restauranteurs) only care about filling seats and rooms they have vacant.
They don't give shit about politics 'til later, when they have made their money!
LOL You're looking in the wrong place for "game", or real men.
The "game" is had by the local hulos who fuck them for free and send them out to get money from us foreigners for their babies!
They don't post here :)
If you can't face this fact, you're going to have serious problems down there!
Real men, or guys with "game" don't pay for sex!
How can a monger who pays for sex, have "game" anyway?
Whats THAT all about?Your crazy I have friend right now who still plays in the NFL with a 30 million contract that has three women in three different hotels right now in miami. Went out with him Friday spent 15,000 through the night on me and her and her friend. Trust me he got game it all costs do not believe that lie its for free if you got game. We hang in santo domingo a lot just because you get away from the game and just have fun in another game. If you know anything about the game, Deon Sanders showed a lot of people hot chicks in the usa can kill you on instagram showing you sleeping in a bed when your still married. For us, travel is the way to go to get away from the nightclub game in the usa. I go to kaviar disco in puerta plata with my girl i am not paying for sex but i am.paying to hang out and have fun. It always costs money.But, i understand what your saying if you got game you do not need to hang out in sosua. I do not agree with that. In fact the dominican club across the street from rumbas on saturday and sunday nights pops with hot non pro dominicans, but you only see locals in there a lot of talent in there. I am in there having fun. Doing work. Does not just have to be just about the putas to meet women and have fun in sosua. I have spent more time in there than classicos.
Your crazy I have friend right now who still plays in the NFL with a 30 million contract that has three women in three different hotels right now in miami. Went out with him Friday spent 15,000 through the night on me and her and her friend. Trust me he got game it all costs do not believe that lie its for free if you got game. We hang in santo domingo a lot just because you get away from the game and just have fun in another game. If you know anything about the game, Deon Sanders showed a lot of people hot chicks in the usa can kill you on instagram showing you sleeping in a bed when your still married. For us, travel is the way to go to get away from the nightclub game in the usa. I go to kaviar disco in puerta plata with my girl i am not paying for sex but i am.paying to hang out and have fun. It always costs money.But, i understand what your saying if you got game you do not need to hang out in sosua. I do not agree with that. In fact the dominican club across the street from rumbas on saturday and sunday nights pops with hot non pro dominicans, but you only see locals in there a lot of talent in there. I am in there having fun. Doing work. Does not just have to be just about the putas to meet women and have fun in sosua. I have spent more time in there than classicos.
Maybe I am crazy, I'm just a Sosua monger!
Maybe your pal in Miami doesn't have "game".
Maybe it's just his $15,000.00 U.S. dolares? Now that's a lot of "game"!
Game is the young broke bartender, or gym personal trainer, or the valet car jockey who they take that $15,000.00 back home to!
LOL
Word on the street is they owes 60 k in taxes. !st night on ground was about hanging with the guys watching girls on the street. The girls were walking around mostly old faces. Baileys is getting a new roof and was closed. I was more upset about Baileys then Rumba. I love their pizza and fish. I got great sex from my Haitian sweetie. We started at 9 and went all night. I bought her a 55 dollar phone that she loved and I reaped the benefits. We know each other so the sex is relaxed and very good. The policia are still preying on Hatians so she is nervous about going out. The guys are making the best of the slow down and it was a Monday. ON the ground no one seems worried and there are more then enough girls to keep us busy.
To have some current facts:
Is Rumba bar still closed or open till 12 pm?
Are there now far fewer girls on the streets and in the bars?
Maybe I am crazy, I'm just a Sosua monger!
Maybe your pal in Miami doesn't have "game".
Maybe it's just his $15,000.00 U.S. dolares? Now that's a lot of "game"!
Game is the young broke bartender, or gym personal trainer, or the valet car jockey who they take that $15,000.00 back home to!
LOLI hear you I have no problem with you your cool, but all I am saying for sosua to last you do not want it to be just about being a monger. Why, because people complain about weekend ballers which care nothing about the culture and people who live there it is all about them. Now, that you see dominican women on worldstar hip hop do you think the new mayor and tourism wants to see that showing there women in that light. You want a mix in sosua game, no game, pros, non pros people with money people on a travel budget all just having fun at the beach and clubs together. To me that works, but if you just have go to sosua to pay for sex because I have no game, no respect for the culture then it will end. If you were a women mayor who is religious what would you do. I have said enough just my thoughts.
Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?
Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down today. - this afternoon. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?The bullshit debate was how do you keep things going with the right mix. Comprehension is great thing in life. Yes it is closed! You should care about the debate they do not just want men coming and paying for sex classico closed today this afternoon.:
the Interior and Police, the Ministry of Tourism, the Mayor of Sosa, Tourist Police (CESTUR), National Police and the Traffic Police ( AMET). Noteworthy is that the early closing times do not apply to Cabarete. With these early closing times and closing the Rumba Bar and Disco D' Classico the aim is to combat prostitution and drug-related crime. According ADSS Sosa will be much more attractive to families and retirees.
Bron FB: ADSSOSUA
All i can do is share what I know be careful not going to tolerate transactions for prostitution. Not sure exactly what that means.
Having a deeper understanding of the situation or transaction being token place than person and or people you're dealing with, thereby using it to your advantage. We all got game and gamed. And we all pay something. Grownman1.
Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?I'm on the ground and last night Classico's has been open the last 3-4 nights I have been here only until 12:30 am Not sure about the names of clubs but Rumbas and the bar across the street, both on the corners are both closed and the police for the last 3-4 days have been taking girls to jail. Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.
What we was getting just 2-3 weeks ago for 2000 for two hours is now 3000 hell no. Dollar US is 45.95 here.
SavePros321
07-12-16, 23:52
Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.
What we was getting just 2-3 weeks ago for 2000 for two hours is now 3000 hell no. Dollar US is 45.95 here.Stick to your guns bro. These club closures are not making it any easier for them (chicas) to eat. Use this situation to your advantage because if they don't play ball, then they risk going home empty handed and possibly getting thrown in jail in the process.
I hear you I have no problem with you your cool, but all I am saying for sosua to last you do not want it to be just about being a monger. Why, because people complain about weekend ballers which care nothing about the culture and people who live there it is all about them. Now, that you see dominican women on worldstar hip hop do you think the new mayor and tourism wants to see that showing there women in that light. You want a mix in sosua game, no game, pros, non pros people with money people on a travel budget all just having fun at the beach and clubs together. To me that works, but if you just have go to sosua to pay for sex because I have no game, no respect for the culture then it will end. If you were a women mayor who is religious what would you do. I have said enough just my thoughts.Ya know what, Revere?
I agree with you more than you think!
I just like to rattle the cages sometimes. What else do we do here between trips and good reports?
Nothing personal!
Peace!
Stick to your guns bro. These club closures are not making it any easier for them (chicas) to eat. Use this situation to your advantage because if they don't play ball, then they risk going home empty handed and possibly getting thrown in jail in the process.They also know that guys didn't fly 5 hours to just sit at an OK beach and drink Dominican beer. It's a game of chicken, and I'm seeing reports on other boards that some girls are asking for more. Who knows what the medium term equilibrium will be- I guess I'll find out soon!
I went in tonight 930 but it was empty. There are plenty of girls complaining of having no work for days. Guys are spending more time looking for good places to eat then for girls. Al in all there is much fun to be had. My second day I had 2 Haitian girls named Cassandra. The first came at 8 pm got naked and stayed naked until 8 in the morning. She was ready whenever I was. Excellent service. The second was good but not great by Haitian standards. I am changing up and doing some Dominicans tonight.
Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?
K Constant
07-13-16, 05:49
Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.They are trying an Asian business practice. When volume drops, increase the price. They want to make the same money with fewer customers. But, it is a buyers' market. Give them 1500 to TLN.
K Constant
07-13-16, 06:12
The bullshit debate was how do you keep things going with the right mix.If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.
My issue with Sosua is pulling the trigger. Things are slower but there are plenty of girls to chose from. Last night I pulled a real winner I may keep her. She looks and sounds like Gabrial Union. Very pretty 31 great body. In the bed a 10. She did everything I wanted when I wanted. I think she may be a nympho. She is fun to be with. I may be catching feelings. While things are different Sosua a good time can be had. All the girls are paranoid about the police. Any girl can be locked up if she is found on the street.
If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.I thought about what you said you are absolutely right! The one place that could pull it off is boca chica. You do not have the same issues with a high end group not happy about the prostitution. Boca Chica really is an extension of santo domingo and the barrio. Now the italians there might not be happy, but the barrio rules boca chica at the end of the day and everyone knows the weekend there is everyone from santo domingo - they do not care and have no problem with your flow. It could work. To be honest, it could be better as airport has more flights to major cities and cheaper to get there. That is where it will happen and makes more sense. Unfortunately, the poor people in sosua who are the drivers and low income workers who depend on mongers lose.
My issue with Sosua is pulling the trigger. Things are slower but there are plenty of girls to chose from. Last night I pulled a real winner I may keep her. She looks and sounds like Gabrial Union. Very pretty 31 great body. In the bed a 10. She did everything I wanted when I wanted. I think she may be a nympho. She is fun to be with. I may be catching feelings. While things are different Sosua a good time can be had. All the girls are paranoid about the police. Any girl can be locked up if she is found on the street.Thank you for the actual information of the ground.
I hope that the police hunt for the girls is going to end soon. If that lasts several weeks, many girls will not take the risk.
And it is not the same having to make a date rather than to spontaneously search for a girl on the street or in a bar.
I see more girls on the streets just walking around then in the past from 10 am on. I am being told they have not been getting work they need. At night Bourbon street bar has become the center hangout for guys. They have something close to soul food including sweet potatoe pie. The food is good and girl come there and post as they did in Rumbas just not the numbers. The action is more chaotic and the girls more desperate. I am seeing many regulars with a few new ones in the mix. It is low season early in the week. Once Rumbas is back I think it is business as usual.
If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.
Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.
Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.
They have something close to soul food including sweet potatoe pie.Dan Quayle thanks you for that.
ForceSteeler
07-13-16, 19:06
Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.
Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.Yes, I started going to Sousa back in 2010, I use to go 5 times a year, it was so amazing and fun, but around 2013 to Now things started changing I guess when everybody found out about Sosua, the girls are mostly business now, and most only stay by the hour, who knows maybe the crackdown will scare of all the wolf pack and the 1 week millionaires away. Kinda like a destroy and rebuild, but again I could care less. Cuba is opening up very soon and after the Olympic bust is finish Brazil we be back too what it use to be, those 2 countries will keep me busy.
SavePros321
07-13-16, 23:11
Yes, I started going to Sousa back in 2010, I use to go 5 times a year, it was so amazing and fun, but around 2013 to Now things started changing I guess when everybody found out about Sosua, the girls are mostly business now, and most only stay by the hour, who knows maybe the crackdown will scare of all the wolf pack and the 1 week millionaires away. Kinda like a destroy and rebuild, but again I could care less. Cuba is opening up very soon and after the Olympic bust is finish Brazil we be back too what it use to be, those 2 countries will keep me busy.There is no need to run from ALL of the DR completely. It's like Revere said, if you expand your horizons the entire island is open to you. Or to use Tony Montana's phrase, the place is "One big pussy waiting to be fucked. ".
I already mentioned in another post (Gogo's forum) that the game has moved to online for a long while now. I get slammed with so many messages when I log into DC that I have to log out after 5 minutes, LOL! Do you know how awesome that is? To have women hounding you and slamming your inbox the same way thirsty dudes bombard the inbox of American Women in the US? You can be a superstar just about anywhere outside of the US.
I also experienced Sosua between '08-'10 timeframe. It was much more subtle and the women were hotter. 2010 was when the Wolfpack types started catching on to the place and word was getting out. My 2012 trip was a huge disappointment in terms of the quality and atmosphere there. That was my last time going.
If you are smart you will use Sosua to your advantage in the near future. It has an awesome beach there. Invite a lady friend or two to come and visit you from a neighboring town and enjoy your vacation.
K Constant
07-14-16, 00:22
Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.Maybe there's not a place that no one has heard of; however, Santo Domingo has Boca Chica. In fact, there are several obscure Caribbean coast towns on the strip of coastline between international airports servicing Santo Domingo and La Romana. This would be a good place to look. Or, go to Rio, Cartagena, Pattaya, Sihanoukville (Cambodia), or Bali. All of these are have well-documented p-4-p and meet some or all of the qualifications. (They all have beaches.) It's a big world for mongering. Too big to be sad about one town dying. We're on ISG, it's very possible to click in these other forums and find out that there are other places to go besides Sosua.
You may be right about the prostitution bit. But, you can't have it both ways. If a guy is interested in building relationships, food, local culture, language, etc, then things haven't changed. All that happened was that one point-and-click venue is now much less point-and-click. The mongers who are missing out are the guys like me. I love point and click in a lounge / club environment, and I have zero interest in forming a long term relationship. However, if a guy wants a relationship, he can go on DominicanCupid and find a semi-pro who would love to give him GFE for a weekend or week.
Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.
Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.
Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.The good news is that the beautiful young girls are still as plentiful as ever in the DR. That's just demographics.
They still are looking for:
1 Dinero for a quick fuck!
2 A WU novio.
3 A foreign guy to hook up with permanently, here in the DR or in his own country, who can meet their modest survival needs.
You just have to work with that, or around that. Especially if you want them to make your bed, do your laundry, and smile at you all day with awed reverence, as one of our vets recently put it.
If you don't like bars, alcohol, or alcohol induced merriment, you are eliminating one of societies safe, great and easy venues for conversing with strangers (and picking up girls, and even hearing that same bachata played over and over and over...........) :)
SavePros321
07-14-16, 02:08
Once Rumbas is back I think it is business as usual.I think there is one other thing a lot of us are forgetting about: Follow the money trail.
Why do you these places haven't been bulldozed to the ground yet if they really wanted to do away with prostitution in Sosua? How does a guy like Armando, an Italian, set up shop and in a place like the DR and remain as successful as he did all those years without much interference from the locals?
Rumbas, Classicos, D'Latins, New Garden, etc. All you see are the faces of the owners. But you better believe they are kicking up a portion of their earnings to shadow players behind the scenes to continue to operate. Say what you want about the Wolf Pack/Weekend Ballers, but those dudes roll in and drop HUGE sums of cash over a short span of a few days (hotel rooms, those makeshift VIP Sections in Classicos, buying lots of bottles of alcohol, spending lots of money in the restaurants in the vicinity, etc), and there are others behind the scene getting a piece of this monetary action.
That is why I don't believe you guys should get all spooked about the real estate developments popping up. The one thing multinational companies or foreign entities HATE is to pay a bribe or extortion fees (or, in street slang, "being taxed"). I work for a very large multinational corporation, and we are set up in such that we would slit our collective throats before we paid out a bribe to "move things along. " Before the players behind the scenes just discard a place like Rumbas or Classicos, they are going to want to have something to replace that kickback cash flow. If those real estate developers are deciding they don't want to play ball, expect any transformation to happen a lot slower and places like Rumbas and Classicos to remain around much longer.
These type of people (most likely paid consultants for the multi national or foreign entity) like to show dazzling slide shows about how the local economy will grow and how jobs will be added, like they are trying to sell the idea to a local US Congressman. The local Dominicanos running the show behind the scenes don't care about none of this shit; they want to know how much they will be getting from this action and how long it will take for the action to start flowing into their pockets.
These club closings because they "don't have a license to operate" are just money shakedowns. It happens all the time in places like the Termas in Rio, and they re-open within a week or two (except for Help Disco: they weren't fucking around with wanting that place shut down, LOL).
If you have no concept about how things of this nature truly operate, just watch a few episodes of the Sopranos and multiply what you are seeing times 5 considering we are talking about a 3rd World Country as opposed to the US.
Just in case you guys have forgotten about the place we are talking about:
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Investment Disputes
Currently, quite a few U.S. investors, ranging from large firms to private individuals, have disputes with the Dominican government and parastatal firms involving payments, expropriations, contractual obligations, or regulatory obligations. Regardless of whether they are located in a free-trade zone, companies have problems with dispute resolution, both with the Dominican government and with private-sector entities. U.S. firms indicate that corruption on all levels business, government, and judicial in the Dominican Republic impedes their access to justice to defend their interests. Moreover, several large American firms have been subjects of injunctions issued by lower courts on the behalf of distributors with whom they are engaged in a contract dispute. These disputes are often the result of the firm seeking to end the relationship in accordance with the contract, and the distributor using the injunction as a way of obtaining a more beneficial settlement. These injunctions often disrupt the American companies distribution activities, resulting in severe negative impact on sales. Many U.S. companies seek local partners that are well-connected and understand the local business environment.
http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ics/2015/241541.htm
I think there is one other thing a lot of us are forgetting about: Follow the money trail.
Why do you these places haven't been bulldozed to the ground yet if they really wanted to do away with prostitution in Sosua? How does a guy like Armando, an Italian, set up shop and in a place like the DR and remain as successful as he did all those years without much interference from the locals?
Rumbas, Classicos, D'Latins, New Garden, etc. All you see are the faces of the owners. But you better believe they are kicking up a portion of their earnings to shadow players behind the scenes to continue to operate. Say what you want about the Wolf Pack/Weekend Ballers, but those dudes roll in and drop HUGE sums of cash over a short span of a few days (hotel rooms, those makeshift VIP Sections in Classicos, buying lots of bottles of alcohol, spending lots of money in the restaurants in the vicinity, etc), and there are others behind the scene getting a piece of this monetary action.
That is why I don't believe you guys should get all spooked about the real estate developments popping up. The one thing multinational companies or foreign entities HATE is to pay a bribe or extortion fees (or, in street slang, "being taxed"). I work for a very large multinational corporation, and we are set up in such that we would slit our collective throats before we paid out a bribe to "move things along. " Before the players behind the scenes just discard a place like Rumbas or Classicos, they are going to want to have something to replace that kickback cash flow. If those real estate developers are deciding they don't want to play ball, expect any transformation to happen a lot slower and places like Rumbas and Classicos to remain around much longer.
These type of people (most likely paid consultants for the multi national or foreign entity) like to show dazzling slide shows about how the local economy will grow and how jobs will be added, like they are trying to sell the idea to a local US Congressman. The local Dominicanos running the show behind the scenes don't care about none of this shit; they want to know how much they will be getting from this action and how long it will take for the action to start flowing into their pockets.
These club closings because they "don't have a license to operate" are just money shakedowns. It happens all the time in places like the Termas in Rio, and they re-open within a week or two (except for Help Disco: they weren't fucking around with wanting that place shut down, LOL).
If you have no concept about how things of this nature truly operate, just watch a few episodes of the Sopranos and multiply what you are seeing times 5 considering we are talking about a 3rd World Country as opposed to the US.
Just in case you guys have forgotten about the place we are talking about:
============
Investment Disputes
Currently, quite a few U.S. investors, ranging from large firms to private individuals, have disputes with the Dominican government and parastatal firms involving payments, expropriations, contractual obligations, or regulatory obligations. Regardless of whether they are located in a free-trade zone, companies have problems with dispute resolution, both with the Dominican government and with private-sector entities. U.S. firms indicate that corruption on all levels business, government, and judicial in the Dominican Republic impedes their access to justice to defend their interests. Moreover, several large American firms have been subjects of injunctions issued by lower courts on the behalf of distributors with whom they are engaged in a contract dispute. These disputes are often the result of the firm seeking to end the relationship in accordance with the contract, and the distributor using the injunction as a way of obtaining a more beneficial settlement. These injunctions often disrupt the American companies distribution activities, resulting in severe negative impact on sales. Many U.S. companies seek local partners that are well-connected and understand the local business environment.
http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ics/2015/241541.htmThe recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.
The recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.Revere you are very well informed but you have to read between the lines on this one. The weekend wolf pack (Black guys) bring major cash into Sosua every weekend and are the lifeline for Sosua currently, kill that life line and it cripples Sosua tremendously.
The US embassy can only inquire and defer their finding to other agencies to work in for a conclusion, you give the US embassy too much credit. For instance: If you an American citizen make a complaint to the US embassy they can inquire to the Dominican authorities that they have a complaint and await a response. That response determines if a US citizen has had his rights violated and can pass on an investigation to the State department or the DEA, depending on which agency they deem should investigate. If the Dominican authorities make a complaint the US embassy can work with that agency to conduct an investigation. They are basically piggy backing the local investigation. This leads me to ask why the local authorities didn't handle the investigation and arrest the perpetrators? I can't believe a trick who got caught stealing and was assaulted could trigger a shut down in Sosua. We have seen Dominicans do this repeatedly with the Haitians when they need a " Fall guy".
The Dominicans want the wolf packs out of Sosua so the big money developers will be happy and can implement their plan.
SavePros321
07-14-16, 11:45
The recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.
Now we all know a Dominicano will back-hand a chick in a New York Minute and no one will bat an eye, but you can't be coming down there as a foreigner thinking you can do as the Dominicano does.
But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.
Mr Enternational
07-14-16, 16:16
Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.The guy in that video didn't hit the chick. He just lightly popped his wallet on top of her head.
From 3 to 7 chicas were being arrested if caught on the strip alone. I sat with friends in our spot across the street from Rumbas. The girls were in hiding. Bourbon ST is very popular spot for guys and girls. The food is wonderful and the location perfect. Classicos was looking normal except it closed at 12 am and by 12:15 everything was shut down. Will things get back to normal no one knows. At about 7 pm a white Dominican with his wife and daughter walked down the middle of the street with no putas in sight. I think a message was being sent. We are taking back our streets.
I picked a loser last night. She was young and attractive but tried the old bate and switch. I gave her the normal rate and kicked her out. To make up for it I did a 3 some that was excellent.
One of the girls put on a pussy eating clinic. I learned a few things. Signing off I have a private massage scheduled in 30 minutes. Happy endings guys.
Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.
Now we all know a Dominicano will back-hand a chick in a New York Minute and no one will bat an eye, but you can't be coming down there as a foreigner thinking you can do as the Dominicano does.
But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.SAVEPRO I totally agree. First, people are right he did not really hit her to us, but that is all semantics to us what they see is not what we see. You cannot justify it. What moron would then put that on world star hip hop for the world to see as if to brag about their exploits. You cannot have that low class I do not care mentality around because they have no respect for no one and as we now see ruin it for everybody. NO one can be surprised by this you all saw it and knew this was coming. Now we see the damage of what low class people can do to an environment.
Sorry about that wrong post.
Since English is my first language let me see if I understand what's being said here:
But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.
You cannot have that low class I do not care mentality around because they have no respect for no one and as we now see ruin it for everybody. NO one can be surprised by this you all saw it and knew this was coming. Now we see the damage of what low class people can do to an environment.You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
Does a brother have a correct understand of the situation here?
Wapau Slayer
07-14-16, 21:46
I thought about what you said you are absolutely right! The one place that could pull it off is boca chica. You do not have the same issues with a high end group not happy about the prostitution. Boca Chica really is an extension of santo domingo and the barrio. Now the italians there might not be happy, but the barrio rules boca chica at the end of the day and everyone knows the weekend there is everyone from santo domingo - they do not care and have no problem with your flow. It could work. To be honest, it could be better as airport has more flights to major cities and cheaper to get there. That is where it will happen and makes more sense. Unfortunately, the poor people in sosua who are the drivers and low income workers who depend on mongers lose.Yea Revere that's where the action use to be, Boca Chica back in the day was where a lot of the Santo Domingo getaways would go before Sosua became popular.
Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. But all of this blame on the Weekend Warriors and the Wolf Pack's for the destruction of sosua is off. I don't see how these people are directly to blame for the destruction of the Sue. These people do not control the government nor do they control the quality of women or services. Dominican people controls its own culture. The Dominican women control the type of service. And the Dominican government controls it's on law enforcement. Whether it's the weekend warrior a wolf pack fraternity group the South Carolina lacrosse team the Harvard and Yale Polo Club or the solo freelancer, an American dollar is an American dollar and the Dominican doesn't care where it comes from. How foreigners are behaving means nothing to the Dominican people. How the hell can strange death and or abduction of a foreigner under unusual circumstances which a lot of time includes his Dominican girlfriend and her boyfriend get les presidents then a guy swinging on a prostitute. It's all Dominicans and there fight for decency among their people and dinero. The citizens of sosua are tired of there City being a Haven for prostitution. The vote was cast one candidate was for change the other candidate wanted things to stay the same. You cannot stop prostitution in the Dominican of Republic because it's legal. A lot of money goes in sosua from hotel chains and restaurants and Banks. A lot of money also goes out of sosua because most of the girls don't live there. The people in sosua have to live with their own shame of being labeled a prostitution destination. Since prostitution is the problem prostitution is the target. Weekend Warriors are not targeted Wolfpack are not targeted the solo Traveler is not targeted. It has nothing to do with them. I listen to the old heads talk. I heard about the rise and fall of Boca Chica. The Dominicans cops touts chicas business owners and local people would the destruction of their own demise. Sosua had less corruption geographically located away from Santo Domingo and Santiago and a Beach. The word got out about the money to be made in sosua among Dominicans. Santa Domingo cliqued up and change the format of service. No one complained. The crime rates skyrocket in sosua. No one complained. The quality of chica noticeably lessened and no one complained. I can only imagine how many complaints have been made to the US Embassy on behalf of its citizens about the treatment they received while in the Dominican of Republic. To think that one single incident that did not involve the death of a citizen can cause the USA Embassy to give a damn is Ludacris. The citizens of sosua and surrounding areas are tired of being labeled a sex tourist destination. They don't have enough power to change the national government. They are trying to change things the local government. It may be temporary it has been temporary before. It may be the end of something old and the start of something new. Or more typically the end of 1 area for a while back to the old area for a little.
It wasn't any weekend warrior or wolf pack that got Cuba Dave messed up. It was the Costa Rica people tired of the negative publicity and the government reacting. I'm just glad the Dominican Republic is like Cuba. Leave the tourists alone deal with your citizens. If they really wanted to stop the operation instead of locking all of these chica up on a weekly basis take a few hours and lock up some Gringos.
SavePros321
07-15-16, 03:42
You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
Nordstrom? Walmart? What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.
I am Black, by the way. Now what?
I'm with Chris ("Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"):
Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.
This is probably the most retarded shit I've read all day. What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.
I am Black, by the way. Now what?
I'm with Chris ("Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"):
Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.Video so true! LOL let's go over this one more time. I am black and yes I like to be politically correct because I hate to put down my people, but my people sometimes do not know how to act. If we have learned anything from Cuba dave and columbia jake who are now both in jail right now do not promote sex tourism and make videos and talk about it. They at least did not make sex videos for the world to see. Have we not learned anything, but my people took it even further they take a video of a dominican women sucking his dick calls her a thief and hits her on her head with his wallet and then puts it on a site that can be described as ghetto for everyone to see and you ask why there is firestorm! My people had no sense and no class to think you can do that in a foreign country and it be okay. Last thing your a foriegn citizen you cannot disrespect their culture and think they will look the other way.
Now you tell me how that is snobbery saying you do not put a video up for the world to see of a dominican women sucking your dick in a foreign country. People have gone to jail for less. Something wrong with you i am serious for you to think you can act like that in a foreign country and you do not get in trouble. I am jealous of ballers. The scary thing you think it is okay. Why the fuck do you think police might start checking phones and looking for videos. But i am snob. I spoke to senior dominican official about this issue can you not read i have givien you perfect information. Have you spoken to a senior Dominican offical about this issue yes or no! Answer your so smart? Talk to me you embarrasing yourself. You do not know shit but you talking like you know something. You have proven exactly why they have close it down a dumb motherfucker thinks it is okay to put a video up on worldwide website of a black man have his dick sucked by a dominican prostitute in sosua. You think okay. Seriously, you that stupid tell me now please tell me your high
K Constant
07-15-16, 04:33
Since English is my first language let me see if I understand what's being said here:
You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.
Does a brother have a correct understand of the situation here?These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgain
GrownMan you got it right.
an American dollar is an American dollar and the Dominican doesn't care where it comes from. How foreigners are behaving means nothing to the Dominican people. .The exchange rate is more important to them. Because they don't spend dollars they spend pesos.
The citizens of sosua are tired of there City being a Haven for prostitution. The vote was cast one candidate was for change the other candidate wanted things to stay the same. .They voted for the anti prostitution candidate. So all anyone can do now who is just a visitor to the Dominican Republic is to vote with their dollar and choose to spend them in other parts of the island or other countries.
The people in sosua have to live with their own shame of being labeled a prostitution destination. Since prostitution is the problem prostitution is the target. The citizens of sosua and surrounding areas are tired of being labeled a sex tourist destination. They don't have enough power to change the national government. They are trying to change things the local government. .It's straight bare knuckle politics. And actually pretty tame compared to when the Republicans Jacked the American Presidency for George Bush right in front of the American People. This is a Dominican issue and they are handling it in a Dominican way. Anyone trying to lay the blame at the feet of any one or group of visitors is operating with faulty brain patterns and a lack of knowledge of the Dominican Republic. Maybe they just haven't been here in a while? Street prostitution is street prostitution. And residents of Sosua have made a statement loud and clear that they don't want it in their town anymore. Sexual Tourists you don't have to go home but you got to get the hell out of here!
It wasn't any weekend warrior or wolf pack that got Cuba Dave messed up. It was the Costa Rica people tired of the negative publicity and the government reacting.Cuba Dave got locked up because the controlling legal entities in the country he was operating believe he has violated the law. The same thing can happen in the Dominican Republic. Do you realize that you can be locked up and held for a year without trial, without question? I would advise anyone who travels here to not get it twisted. All the American Embassy can do for you is make sure your rights are not being violated under Dominican law. Go to Singapore and get convicted of violating the law. The American Embassy will protest. But in the end they will cain your bare black ass (or whatever color your ass happens to be, I don't think they really care)!
I'm just glad the Dominican Republic is like Cuba. Leave the tourists alone deal with your citizens. If they really wanted to stop the operation instead of locking all of these chica up on a weekly basis take a few hours and lock up some Gringos.Damn straight my brother. But I don't really think this is a black or white issue. Do you? The way I see it is an attack on street prostitution. I don't have contacts in the Dominican Government whispering secrets into my ear. Nor am I bringing my american lack of cultural sensitivity, telling everyone what they should believe and when questioned about it trying to force it down everyone else's throat. From my lowly position I can't really see anything. I'm just reading reports like most everyone else. Maybe at some point I'll fire up the Gran Jefe mobile and roll up to the North Coast and check it out. But until then I choose to focus on news reports and reports from my fellow posters who are actually reporting information from the scene.
All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.That's right Mr. KConstant. Maybe they don't know the meaning of the word analogy? Maybe they've never been into a Nordstrom and therefore have never experienced the world class customer service that has inspired a book, many articles in business magazines and is the model of customer service US businesses across the service sector strive to imitate. Had they actually shopped in both a Nordstrom and a Walmart they would have understood the point I was trying to make. Thank you for explaining it to them. It doesn't surprise me that they missed it because they are critics. You get it. You are obviously a man in the arena. You don't find Walmart prices in a Nordstrom nor do you get a Nordstrom level of customer service in a Walmart. My tastes lean to Nordstrom. But I'm not above shopping at a Walmart when I need something. But I don't get it twisted and think that I'm going to have the same experience when I shop at Nordstrom nor do I complain about the type of crowd I find at Walmart when I'm shopping there. It seemed very simple and straight forward to me when I wrote it.
And what do you think of that video they proffered? Twenty years old they say? Sage advice from a comedian from a comedian. I guess the newer version would have Chris Rock saying "What's the problem? The police just shot a (offensive racial epitaph deleted)!" Do they really want to go there?
These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgainI've been saying the same thing for years.
It's just hilarious, and also a kind of a surreal disconnect.
It's like Bonnie complaining to Clyde that he's exceeding the speed limit. It reminds me of the prominantly displayed "No Smoking, Fine $1000" I saw in a MP while a chick was on her knees illegally blowing me.
When I was in a Red Light district, especially in the inner city, I'm just happy to get off, and get out of there with my wallet intact, alive, no cop raid, no arrest record (and nobody banging on my car window in the parking lot demanding to "borrow my wheel jack") LOL
I didn't spend too much time complaining about the behavior of the other clients, in the other rooms LOL.
All this pontificating and moralizing about the politically correct way to behave in a brothel is just too much, but it breaks up the day!
Nobody agrees with violence, but we're not talking about the Augusta National Golf Club here!
They don't have a badge for "Monger Police", as far as I know.
These guys are projecting the respectability politics of the United States onto a situation in Sosua. It says more about their psyches than it does about what's happening on the ground.
Great guys, we get it. You don't like the flamboyant / aggressive style of a certain kind of monger. You hate "thug" mongers. You want a more respectable, upper-class, high-end monger. All SubCmdr is doing is calling you guys out on your dog whistle rhetoric and class snobbery. However, it's laughable that some of you guys are making a cultural statement over how one should act when paying for prostitutes in some obscure town in the third world.
You guys should just go ahead and get your red hats: #MakeSosuaGreatAgainIt doesn't really matter what mongers think, or even what those people who profit most directly from prostitution, like bar owners (though some people deny even this). What if you were a parent of a child at the (expensive) Colegio Luis Hess on Pedro Clissante. It was there since 1941, so you can't say they build a school in a prostitution area. Would prostitution bars be allowed right next to schools in your country?
What if you were a local resident eating out in a restaurant away from the prostitution bars and two men at the next table had two Dominican women straddling their chairs and dry humping them in between courses, while they smoked cigarettes, in plain view of young children? I saw this once at a favorite restaurant of mine.
One of the problems with tourism world wide has always been the disconnect between local customs and mores and those of the visitors. When I first went to Bermuda in 1980, cops where still measuring the shorts of (mostly female) tourists and fining them if they were more than 4 inches above the knee, because that was enforcement of a local law. This just applied in town, not at the beaches or at the hotel pool.
Even you admit that there might be some behavioral issues with some of the mongers. Now look at it from the point of view of local residents, not all of whom are in the prostitution business and related occupations. It is they who have the right to decide what will be tolerated in Sosua, and what will not. I don't really care if people want to walk around dressed up like pirates and openly smoking weed on the street, but it is not my call.
When you say "some obscure town in the third world" it sounds rather demeaning towards the many people in Sosua striving for a better future for themselves and their families, as if their views are not as important yours. Perhaps you live in a big city, and this gives you a sense of importance, I don't know.
All this pontificating and moralizing about the politically correct way to behave in a brothel is just too much, but it breaks up the day!You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please. But even in a brothel you have to behave and have respect or you are kicked out. I don't think the 65 000 people in Sosua who have nothing to do with the prostitution, want to see their pueblo as mini Cuba of the 50's. In today's Cuba many of these mongers would be kicked in a jail and the key thrown away and the US embassy could do nothing.
SavePros321
07-15-16, 15:22
You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please. But even in a brothel you have to behave and have respect or you are kicked out. I don't think the 65 000 people in Sosua who have nothing to do with the prostitution, want to see their pueblo as mini Cuba of the 50's. In today's Cuba many of these mongers would be kicked in a jail and the key thrown away and the US embassy could do nothing.Yeah, it's like some of these guys here are cheering on the elements that will bring about their demise. But if you've never been anywhere other than Sosua, then that's all you know.
Some people will always be cuckholds.
Someone name for me one other trick spot outside of the US where mongers show up and project thug culture this fragrantly and I will proudly say that I don't know what the hell I am talking about.
Mr Enternational
07-15-16, 15:47
Damn shame. One person sees these folks' home as an obscure town in the third world and another sees it as a brothel where they should be allowed to act however they want (as long as there is no violence).
SavePros321
07-15-16, 15:56
Damn shame. One person sees these folks' home as an obscure town in the third world and another sees it as a brothel where they should be allowed to act however they want (as long as there is no violence).You could at least have posted the link to that skit, LOL ("I'm Rick James beeeyatch!").
That second sentence is exactly why you see the big push to clean the place up. The Internet (just search Sosua on YouTube) is both gift and curse at times.
("I'm Rick James beeeyatch!").
The Internet (just search Sosua on YouTube) is both gift and curse at times.Ain't that the damn truth! Long live Sosua. Or at least tell me where the next Sue is located.
All this pontificating and moralizing about the politically correct way to behave in a brothel is just too much, but it breaks up the day!
Nobody agrees with violence, but we're not talking about the Augusta National Golf Club here!
They don't have a badge for "Monger Police", as far as I know.Brothels have their own codes of conduct, though, set by management. Try going to a brothel in Nevada and walking around with your cronies openly smoking weed and drinking from your own bottles of liquor. I expect you would be asked to leave (not that I have ever been to one, or even been to Nevada.) If you go to Blackbeards, you will notice that there is definitely a code of conduct in the public areas. As a tourist you could go there, have lunch, hang around the pool, and not see anything untoward or sexual going on. But if you jumped into the pool nude, you would probably be thrown out.
People on the ground. I am on the ground right now! Have the people here that keep talking like they know sonething go where I have gone. If you read my La Victoria maximum prison post of the brother who thought it was okay to smoke weed on conde street and got locked. He then talked shit to the police when I saw him in there he had not been to court for three months begging me to help him and get a message to his family for help. He reminds me of some people on this board who think they know something and have no connections that can help them when the shit hits the fan. Now all you want to be gangsters you get locked up in there your on your own. I saw a lot of brothers in there who thought they could come in to the dr and do what they want. You have to buy your bed and have people bring food and supplies in for you, but how does that happen you are foreigner. You will quickly learn no one is coming for you to help. You are on your own baller! You are an hour outside of santo domingo with 8000 inmates that is suppose to hold 3000. Just think they locked him for smoking weed, a sex video you can forget it. Why you think they will check certain phones one of these girls will see you taping her and she will tell the police you will be asked for some high amount you will refuse because you will think you know something and they will lock you and you will end up paying a lot more with time in jail and money to get out. Maybe you can say you forgot the password and when you realize you will get beat by the police when you refuse in the cell you will change your mind baller. Then when the embassy comes to visit your ignorant ass they will walk in take one look at you and say good luck you going to need it and they did there one required visit. Everyone talking tough like they know something has never been in there and trust me you have no connections in there and do not speak spainish you can forget it and pray you make it out. But I am snob. You been in there?
I am as real as they come always respectful, but people want to talk shit like they know something I will check them because weak mothfuckers always want to try to lash out and put you down because they are not shit. Someone going to stand on another man's post to attack me and do not even know what there talking about. I am not going to let that slide.
Tempoecorto
07-15-16, 19:44
Someone name for me one other trick spot outside of the US where mongers show up and project thug culture this fragrantly.Being a lone traveler, my exposure is different and so perhaps I do not visit the same Sosua, but frankly, I do not notice what you are speaking of being projected. I do see a lot of black men in shorts around Rumba and the locale the opposite side but I really did not notice anything that could be called untoward (that Frannie described), let alone thuggery. Yes, it is true that when you visit Germany, the clubs are as tame as could be and that I recall, Bangkok, Thailand, had something for all tastes but I saw few black men in both places. Are we then putting it down to people, who have limited exposure to the world at large and who cannot leave their home behind even when they are outside home? Reading the exchanges here, it seems to be more of a class thing than a race thing but then I do not understand many of the code words used or indeed even heard of the youtube channel mentioned but, personally, I am not convinced that a specific group could have caused the "downfall" of the place.
GrownMan you got it right.
The exchange rate is more important to them. Because they don't spend dollars they spend pesos.
They voted for the anti prostitution candidate. So all anyone can do now who is just a visitor to the Dominican Republic is to vote with their dollar and choose to spend them in other parts of the island or other countries.
It's straight bare knuckle politics. And actually pretty tame compared to when the Republicans Jacked the American Presidency for George Bush right in front of the American People. This is a Dominican issue and they are handling it in a Dominican way. Anyone trying to lay the blame at the feet of any one or group of visitors is operating with faulty brain patterns and a lack of knowledge of the Dominican Republic. Maybe they just haven't been here in a while? Street prostitution is street prostitution. And residents of Sosua have made a statement loud and clear that they don't want it in their town anymore. Sexual Tourists you don't have to go home but you got to get the hell out of here!
Cuba Dave got locked up because the controlling legal entities in the country he was operating believe he has violated the law. The same thing can happen in the Dominican Republic. Do you realize that you can be locked up and held for a year without trial, without question? I would advise anyone who travels here to not get it twisted. All the American Embassy can do for you is make sure your rights are not being violated under Dominican law. Go to Singapore and get convicted of violating the law. The American Embassy will protest. But in the end they will cain your bare black ass (or whatever color your ass happens to be, I don't think they really care)!
Damn straight my brother. But I don't really think this is a black or white issue. Do you? The way I see it is an attack on street prostitution. I don't have contacts in the Dominican Government whispering secrets into my ear. Nor am I bringing my american lack of cultural sensitivity, telling everyone what they should believe and when questioned about it trying to force it down everyone else's throat. From my lowly position I can't really see anything. I'm just reading reports like most everyone else. Maybe at some point I'll fire up the Gran Jefe mobile and roll up to the North Coast and check it out. But until then I choose to focus on news reports and reports from my fellow posters who are actually reporting information from the scene.As much as I agree that the 2000 SCOTUS ruling, stopping the ballot counting in Florida, was poorly written and biased, this is not a place to post politically charged statements that you can not prove and in addition make for an ill considered comparison with the Dominican actions that are executive in nature, not legal. And this coming from someone that just the other day, acting as Mr Camaro 's surrogate, indicated that a reference to Spain in a VALID and FACTUAL reference to validate my view on DR' high cost of living, should have been in another forum. And then you finished your post whith a puerile LOL. Back in High School I guess. You, that are in record as a native speaker should know that injecting religious or political opinions in an unsolicited way is frown upon back home. Now. I will rest and see if any poodle comes out barking.
What if you were a local resident eating out in a restaurant away from the prostitution bars and two men at the next table had two Dominican women straddling their chairs and dry humping them in between courses, while they smoked cigarettes, in plain view of young children? I saw this once at a favorite restaurant of mine......
.....Now look at it from the point of view of local residents, not all of whom are in the prostitution business and related occupations. It is they who have the right to decide what will be tolerated in Sosua, and what will not..If you live a the real world you would be more selective in your choice of restaurants!
Take it up with the owner, he decides what will be tolerated. If those other "bad" folks come in every day, and you come in once a month, he might think you are the asshole!
He, like you, has a decision to make. How he runs his business and how you spend your money !
As for living in a hell pit like Sosua, it is a giant brothel, so it's up to the locals to suck it up, or move! The prostitution business is responsible for their shopping and restaurants, and those new sidewalks and trees. You won't find a Playera or a Bailey's in Charamicos :)
Like in a restaurant, or a brothel, the most effective way to change things is to vote with your feet and your spending money. If that doesn't work, you are in the minority, and nobody gives flying fuck what you approve of disapprove of.
It's just life!
You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please. But even in a brothel you have to behave and have respect or you are kicked out. I don't think the 65 000 people in Sosua who have nothing to do with the prostitution, want to see their pueblo as mini Cuba of the 50's. In today's Cuba many of these mongers would be kicked in a jail and the key thrown away and the US embassy could do nothing.Not quite what I'm saying.
In my post I said "nobody approves of violence". Read it again!
But if you want to be safe from violence you don't hang out in a giant brothel that brings with it all the crime and drugs that go with it!
If shit happens in a place like that you shouldn't be "shocked" :)
Damn shame. One person sees these folks' home as an obscure town in the third world and another sees it as a brothel where they should be allowed to act however they want (as long as there is no violence).If you live in a brothel, don't complain about the noise! .
Brothels have their own codes of conduct, though, set by management. Try going to a brothel in Nevada and walking around with your cronies openly smoking weed and drinking from your own bottles of liquor. I expect you would be asked to leave (not that I have ever been to one, or even been to Nevada.) If you go to Blackbeards, you will notice that there is definitely a code of conduct in the public areas. As a tourist you could go there, have lunch, hang around the pool, and not see anything untoward or sexual going on. But if you jumped into the pool nude, you would probably be thrown out.I'm not talking about Nevada, Blackbeards, or even Amsterdam. They are controlled environments.
I'm talking about the World's Third Rated unregulated brothel town. There Bangkok, Rio, and Sosua.
If folks choose to live there, or stay there, spare me the tears. Here's a quarter:)
I see the monger police squad out in force today, with their "codes of conduct".
Looks like I am a minority of one, here.
That somehow pleases me!
Anyway this board needs a rattle once in a while.
"The me too, me too" circle jerk gets a little stale :)
Ipanema Carioca
07-15-16, 23:43
Thuggery is the code word in the monger world for niggers or too many black males around for white males to compete with for the girls. It was the same in Rio! They don't nothing to do with black unless it's for a chica or garota. When the Hells Angeles have their convention in Rio they go after more preta and morenas their reais can buy. It's the same when you hear or read on boards about too many thugs anywhere else. In Sosua the whites want Haitianas the same way! LOL!
Being a lone traveler, my exposure is different and so perhaps I do not visit the same Sosua, but frankly, I do not notice what you are speaking of being projected. I do see a lot of black men in shorts around Rumba and the locale the opposite side but I really did not notice anything that could be called untoward (that Frannie described), let alone thuggery. Yes, it is true that when you visit Germany, the clubs are as tame as could be and that I recall, Bangkok, Thailand, had something for all tastes but I saw few black men in both places. Are we then putting it down to people, who have limited exposure to the world at large and who cannot leave their home behind even when they are outside home? Reading the exchanges here, it seems to be more of a class thing than a race thing but then I do not understand many of the code words used or indeed even heard of the youtube channel mentioned but, personally, I am not convinced that a specific group could have caused the "downfall" of the place.
SavePros321
07-16-16, 00:05
Someone name for me one other trick spot outside of the US where mongers show up and project thug culture this fragrantly and I will proudly say that I don't know what the hell I am talking about.
Thuggery is the code word in the monger world for niggers or too many black males around for white males to compete with for the girls.
I am Black, by the way. Now what?
I am black and yes I like to be politically correct because I hate to put down my people, but my people sometimes do not know how to act.
IpanemaCarioca, try again bruh, lmao.
It may come as a shock to you, but probably over half of the posters in this forum are black...
Not quite what I'm saying.
In my post I said "nobody approves of violence". Read it again!
But if you want to be safe from violence you don't hang out in a giant brothel that brings with it all the crime and drugs that go with it!
If shit happens in a place like that you shouldn't be "shocked" :)You'd better read my post again. Not mentioned or talked about violence.
K Constant
07-16-16, 02:25
I am not going to let that slide.LOL, what?
Yes, you're absolutely right. I don't know a thing about Dominican prisons. Maybe you're the resident expert.
Additionally, I do not claim to have a direct line to senior Dominican officials and US Embassy personnel, or to whomever you claim told you that Sosua has decided to take a hard line against sex tourism because of "weekend ballers / wolfpacks" and a WorldStar video.
However, I think the scenario you're describing is highly unlikely.
You all are discussing the long term direction of the town, which is obviously very important. But for those of us who are arriving soon, can anyone who is actually there let us know what's happening with the bars?
I don't care so much about the street walkers. I want to know if there are hot girls in the places that are still open Classico? Bourbon Street? And if the rumor that Rumba will reopen actually came true.
I spent 4 nights in Sosua at one of the least advantageous times in memory. In spite of this I had many of my best sessions. Classicos was in full effect last night. Bumper to bumper guys and girls. Many smoking hot girls. I think Rumbas will be open which will bring some normalcy back. The police are making it very challenging for the girls. I saw one girl picked up and back on the street an hour later.
I talked to many expats most seem very jaded. They have spent so much time there all they see is negatives. They seemed amazed that some guys are having fun. I spent an afternoon on the beach with A couple of fellow mongers. We were joined by some chicas who had a bottle of vodka that they slammed while we finished a bottle of coconut Ciroc. A young looking 18 year old kept eye balling me. I gave her 4 shots of Ciroc and off we go. I usually do not go for real young ones but after Ciroc and her toying with me it was on. The young lady had skills. In summary I did 8 girls in 4 nights I had one girl who flipped the script and was a scammer. On the high side I met a gorgeous girl who blew my mind maybe some of the best raw sex I have ever had, She looked like Gabriel Union and fucked like Vanessa Del Rio. I discovered a great place, Bourbon Street, excellent soul food in the DR. The change in hours is not going to stop Sosua from being our play ground. The weekends are looking very normal sans Rumbas. Less people may come early in the week with more focus on the week end action. If the citizens want their streets back they need to compromise. Change the hours of Rumbas to open at sun down when kiddies should be in bed. There was a news crew filming the arrests but did not stop them. The regular street people are suffering so they say. The girls are as well but they are still asking Hi prices go figure.
Ipanema Carioca
07-16-16, 07:04
Bruh, only simps worry about other fellas like the girls looking each other up in down.
IpanemaCarioca, try again bruh, lmao.
It may come as a shock to you, but probably over half of the posters in this forum are black....
I spent 4 nights in Sosua at one of the least advantageous times in memory. I talked to many expats most seem very jaded. They have spent so much time there all they see is negatives.How about a trip report indeed? Mr. OldKool yours was written as a man in the arena. Thank you! More trips reports are needed. That's what I'm interested in reading. While others are more interested in beating the keyboard, their chest and whatever other body part they have out while being critical of others, you stay focused on the reason I read the forum. Carry on!
You'd better read my post again. Not mentioned or talked about violence.No reason to bullshit here!
This is you, "You just nailed the way many mongers seem to think about Sosua. It's their own little brothel and as clients they can behave as they please".
No, I said shit like this happens, in places like Sosua.
I can assure you I am a well behaved monger, have always had a good relationship with the cops, some are even "cousins" we buy them cokes when they come to town.
And all the violence I have seen, in 9 years came from the locals.
and in addition make for an ill considered comparison with the Dominican actions that are executive in nature, not legal.The closing of businesses, the arrest of Dominican women who are walking alone on the streets of The Sue is in your mind nothing more than actions that are executive in nature? Executives write letters. Politicians make speeches. The police arrest people. At the risk of boring others while pointing out the obvious to you, making an arrest is a legal matter. And it was reported here that CESTUR gave the notices and closed the businesses.
I know you have a strong desire to be critical of others. Provide accurate information the next time you choose to do it.
I spent 4 nights in Sosua at one of the least advantageous times in memory. In spite of this I had many of my best sessions. Classicos was in full effect last night. Bumper to bumper guys and girls. Many smoking hot girls. I think Rumbas will be open which will bring some normalcy back. The police are making it very challenging for the girls. I saw one girl picked up and back on the street an hour later.
I talked to many expats most seem very jaded. They have spent so much time there all they see is negatives. They seemed amazed that some guys are having fun. I spent an afternoon on the beach with A couple of fellow mongers. We were joined by some chicas who had a bottle of vodka that they slammed while we finished a bottle of coconut Ciroc. A young looking 18 year old kept eye balling me. I gave her 4 shots of Ciroc and off we go. I usually do not go for real young ones but after Ciroc and her toying with me it was on. The young lady had skills. In summary I did 8 girls in 4 nights I had one girl who flipped the script and was a scammer. On the high side I met a gorgeous girl who blew my mind maybe some of the best raw sex I have ever had, She looked like Gabriel Union and fucked like Vanessa Del Rio. I discovered a great place, Bourbon Street, excellent soul food in the DR. The change in hours is not going to stop Sosua from being our play ground. The weekends are looking very normal sans Rumbas. Less people may come early in the week with more focus on the week end action. If the citizens want their streets back they need to compromise. Change the hours of Rumbas to open at sun down when kiddies should be in bed. There was a news crew filming the arrests but did not stop them. The regular street people are suffering so they say. The girls are as well but they are still asking Hi prices go figure.Thank for the report!
We don't always agree, but one thing we do agree on. Sosua has natural beauty, and beautiful girls, and it's possible to consistently enjoy both, inexpensively.
K Constant
07-16-16, 16:10
But for those of us who are arriving soon, can anyone who is actually there let us know what's happening with the bars?Classicos is back in business. It's a buyers' market.
SavePros321
07-16-16, 18:23
I spent 4 nights in Sosua at one of the least advantageous times in memory. In spite of this I had many of my best sessions. Classicos was in full effect last night. Bumper to bumper guys and girls. Many smoking hot girls. I think Rumbas will be open which will bring some normalcy back. The police are making it very challenging for the girls. I saw one girl picked up and back on the street an hour later.
Good report OldKool. Any luck with the Cupid hunnies?
On the high side I met a gorgeous girl who blew my mind maybe some of the best raw sex I have ever had.Well you did say maybe. Because you said "The best raw sex you ever had". Aren't you like over 60. Maybe it might be your memory. It will be very hard for me to say the best. It's nice to hear you're having fun. What are the prices you are getting quoted?
I had some great performances from the girls. I not did use my cupid list due the many girls on the street that peaked my interest. I got numbers for future trips.
Good report OldKool. Any luck with the Cupid hunnies?
Supposedly in Sosua. I've heard this twice in Cabarete on the street. Anyone else on the ground heard anything?
Supposedly in Sosua. I've heard this twice in Cabarete on the street. Anyone else on the ground heard anything?No, but you can't tell anything from rumors, because you don't know any details of the relationship between the victim and the robber. All I can say is that stranger street muggings of pedestrian tourists on the streets of Sosua are incredibly rare. Pickpocketing yes, handbag snatching, yes, robbery with violence, no. If this was a pure robbery with violence, then that is pretty bad news, and will reinforce the views of those who believe that the presence of thriving sex tourism attracts criminal elements to the area.
I'm in the Dr and contemplating the purchase of generic cialis.
The most popular brands are Lapela and Mambo 36.
Can anyone vouch for the quality of these drugs and are they legit??
Thanks.
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?Don't use either. Get money out of an ATM (there is one at the airport), or change your cash in a bank or exchange bureau. Do not change money at the booth INSIDE the airport. You will be ripped off. There is a BanReservas bank on the outside concourse of the airport where you can change money if it is open when you arrive, or you can ask your taxi driver to stop by at a Western Union office. There is one at SUPERMERCADO JOSE LUIS in Puerto Plata that you will pass on the way to Blackbeards. If you arrive after everything is closed, or on a Sunday, then get money from an ATM and then if you have cash to change take it to Western Union or somewhere else on the next business day.
I'm in the Dr and contemplating the purchase of generic cialis.
The most popular brands are Lapela and Mambo 36.
Can anyone vouch for the quality of these drugs and are they legit??
Thanks.1. Go to a pharmacy and get one of each. 2. Try them both, they are cheap enough. 3. Report back on your findings with photographic evidence for peer group review, and we will tell you if they work or not.
Charles Pooter
07-17-16, 23:53
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?Arrive with (say) US $100 in cash just to get you started. This is worth about 4575 pesos. (Or US $200 if arriving on a Sunday).
After that, draw pesos using a bank card. Remember to advise your bank that you will be using the card in the DR so they do not freeze it because of an unusual pattern of usage. The financial world is very suspicious of anything to do with the DR, which is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.
I believe you are coming from Santiago? If so, you can ignore Frannie's suggestion about Jose Luis, as you will not pass by it. But even if coming from Puerto Plata airport, the most convenient place to change dollars into pesos is RUSA, on the corner of the entrance to Padre Granero immediately before the baseball stadium.
Once at Blackbeards, change dollars to pesos at Wendy's Supermarket near the entrance gates to Costambar, about a kilometer from Blackbeards.
Charles Pooter
07-17-16, 23:58
I'm in the Dr and contemplating the purchase of generic cialis.
The most popular brands are Lapela and Mambo 36.
Can anyone vouch for the quality of these drugs and are they legit??
Different guys have their own preferences. We all have different metabolisms. But LaPela is tried and trusted. It is generic cialis. Buy inside a pharmacy for added security. There are no legal restrictions.
Ignore Frannie's suggestion about posting evidence. He is always too anxious to view pics of erect penises.
Tempoecorto
07-18-16, 00:33
Ignore Frannie's suggestion about posting evidence. He is always too anxious to view pics of erect penises.Gosh, I almost choked on that one. Hahaha! This forum would be worse off but for Charles Pooter and Frannie! For the newbies: Pooter is pulling Frannie's legs just in case Frannie and Pooter got you worried.
Ignore Frannie's suggestion about posting evidence. He is always too anxious to view pics of erect penises.I was talking about the smile on the face of a satisfied chica, you scoundrel! I am sure the original poster would have enough sense to know that. Sir, I apologize for the crude minds of some of my fellow authors.
I'm in the Dr and contemplating the purchase of generic cialis.
The most popular brands are Lapela and Mambo 36.
Can anyone vouch for the quality of these drugs and are they legit??
Thanks.That generic Viagra iPass on. I don't like normal Viagra. Like many other people eyewitness headaches white visions and Rapid Heartbeats. And that's what the real Viagra I Can Only Imagine a generic. Mambo is my choice. It's a rider. However if you're in Boca Chica you can go get the real deal Cialis 20 for about 200 pesos. Look for the Venezuelans.
ProfessorOak
07-18-16, 05:12
I'm in the Dr and contemplating the purchase of generic cialis.
The most popular brands are Lapela and Mambo 36.
Can anyone vouch for the quality of these drugs and are they legit??
Thanks.I second the mambo.
The pharmacy across the street from the coral reef casino has original Cialis for 350 pesos I believe.
Husker Dude
07-18-16, 05:14
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?Cash is king in the DR. I always take US cash, then ifgoing to BB, exchange at Jenny's market right inside the gate of Costambar. You will save a few pesos paying BB in pesos too. There is a pharmacy right across from Jenny's market. But has poor exchange rate, but better than the airport. It's an easy walk to Jenny's from BB to exchange money when you need. I don't trust the ATM in the DR.
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?Right now the dollar to peso exchange rate in the DR ranges from 45.60 to 46 depending on where you go. So $100 US will get you 4560 to 4600 pesos (maybe even more depending on the bank). . Not sure how you got your numbers? But there is no extra fee to exchange.
The exchange rate presumably includes their compensation for making the exchange. If you deal with the wrong people ( strangers, unknown exchange places ) they will try to rip you off. Airport exchange booths are a no no. Touts approaching you at the airport or on the street is a definite no no. You could get ripped off as well as shortchanged by them. If you are flying into POP during banking hours, then by all means stop by the BanReservas that is just outside the terminal where passengers exit. Use your dollars to exchange there. In fact, if you feel comfortable, exchange enough that may last you a few days.
Your hotel at BB or anywhere else can be paid for with US cash. If you do not feel comfortable exchanging more than $100 at the bank, then wait until your taxi gets you to Costambar. About a block past the security gate, there is Jennys supermarket on the right. Their exchange rate is generally very good. It may be the same as the bank or damn close to it.
About ATM use. When we travel we bring our CC's expecting to use them. I always preferred bringing ample cash rather than relying on a CC to get cash. My use of a CC was a last resort. My reasons. Reduces the chance of the card getting stuck in the machine. If its an old card, reduces the chance of it being cloned or read. The money you get from an ATM, the exchange rate may be slightly less than if you go to your preferred spot. If the card is lost, stolen or compromised, you will have to call that in to your bank etc to terminate the card. The financial institution that issued the card are usually reluctant to send duplicate cards in the mail to where you are abroad. At best, they will send it to your address they have on file. It is of no use to you if you need a replacement card in hand.
Therefore, I would suggest that you have a back up card just in case. Letting your bank know where you are traveling and the time frame. Other than that, bring enough cash to hold you. As long as you can secure your cash, cards and passport ect in a safe place you should be fine. Once you get the moneys squared away, it's best to store your CC and money you don't need. Bring only enough pesos to hold you for the moment or the day.
Mr Enternational
07-18-16, 12:58
Right now the dollar to peso exchange rate in the DR ranges from 45.60 to 46 depending on where you go. So $100 US will get you 4560 to 4600 pesos (maybe even more depending on the bank). . Not sure how you got your numbers?He wrote it backwards. He is saying the inverse of you. Pesos to US$. 1 Dominican peso = 2 US cents.
Once at Blackbeards, change dollars to pesos at Wendy's Supermarket near the entrance gates to Costambar, about a kilometer from Blackbeards.Is there a Wendy's Supermarket there to exchange too? I only knew Jenny's supermercado. Some spell it Yenny's.
He wrote it backwards. He is saying the inverse of you. Pesos to US$. 1 Dominican peso = 2 US cents.I reread what he wrote. I don't think he was looking for pesos to dollars. I think he found that some places charge a transaction fee or transaction fee rate just to do the exchange beyond what the rate of exchange is. He even said the airport charges $10 just to do the exchange. So not only do they give you a lousy rate than the bank, but they charge you $10 for that transaction.
Right now the dollar to peso exchange rate in the DR ranges from 45.60 to 46 depending on where you go. So $100 US will get you 4560 to 4600 pesos (maybe even more depending on the bank). . Not sure how you got your numbers? But there is no extra fee to exchange.
The exchange rate presumably includes their compensation for making the exchange. If you deal with the wrong people ( strangers, unknown exchange places ) they will try to rip you off. Airport exchange booths are a no no. Touts approaching you at the airport or on the street is a definite no no. You could get ripped off as well as shortchanged by them. If you are flying into POP during banking hours, then by all means stop by the BanReservas that is just outside the terminal where passengers exit. Use your dollars to exchange there. In fact, if you feel comfortable, exchange enough that may last you a few days.
Your hotel at BB or anywhere else can be paid for with US cash. If you do not feel comfortable exchanging more than $100 at the bank, then wait until your taxi gets you to Costambar. About a block past the security gate, there is Jennys supermarket on the right. Their exchange rate is generally very good. It may be the same as the bank or damn close to it.
About ATM use. When we travel we bring our CC's expecting to use them. I always preferred bringing ample cash rather than relying on a CC to get cash. My use of a CC was a last resort. My reasons. Reduces the chance of the card getting stuck in the machine. If its an old card, reduces the chance of it being cloned or read. The money you get from an ATM, the exchange rate may be slightly less than if you go to your preferred spot. If the card is lost, stolen or compromised, you will have to call that in to your bank etc to terminate the card. The financial institution that issued the card are usually reluctant to send duplicate cards in the mail to where you are abroad. At best, they will send it to your address they have on file. It is of no use to you if you need a replacement card in hand.
Therefore, I would suggest that you have a back up card just in case. Letting your bank know where you are traveling and the time frame. Other than that, bring enough cash to hold you. As long as you can secure your cash, cards and passport ect in a safe place you should be fine. Once you get the moneys squared away, it's best to store your CC and money you don't need. Bring only enough pesos to hold you for the moment or the day.Just a note. (I already responded to the same question on the Blackbeard thread).
Change money at Jenny's. Pay for the room upon arrival. Pay in pesos. This will save you about 5 to 10 percent. Paying in dollars, they will convert to pesos at the hotel's exchange rate.
Credit cards are only for emergencies, in my opinion. Not accepted everywhere, and extra charges (by vendors, and likely your credit card company). Blackbeard's has room safes for your valuables. Jenny's is extremely convenient, gives a good rate, etc. Carry enough cash for your stay, in a secure location on your person, apart from your wallet, maybe a money belt. You will be traveling directly from the airport to Costambar, so chances of robbery are negligible. If you venture out of Costambar to explore, take only enough cash as you will need, using street smarts as to how.
OK, any experienced soul know about the fee's and exchange rate?
Does Blackbeards charge to exchange dollars to pesos? And what is the exchange rate there? The airport said. 0259 and googles says 0.0217.
The airport charges a 10.00 fee. Does the airport in DR charge a fee?Nice thing about Jenny's supermarket in Costambar, is that it is only a 5 minute stroll from the hotel, give a good rate, and is open seven days a week. Easy to change money as needed, and pick up a bottle of water while there.
Change your money there.
Charles Pooter
07-18-16, 16:04
Is there a Wendy's Supermarket there to exchange too? I only knew Jenny's supermercado. Some spell it Yenny's.Thanks Wrx2005. Yes, I meant Jenny's. Put it down to senility.
Pay for the room upon arrival. Pay in pesos. This will save you about 5 to 10 percent. Paying in dollars, they will convert to pesos at the hotel's exchange rate.
Cash is king in the DR. I always take US cash, then ifgoing to BB, exchange at Jenny's market right inside the gate of Costambar. You will save a few pesos paying BB in pesos too. There is a pharmacy right across from Jenny's market. But has poor exchange rate, but better than the airport. It's an easy walk to Jenny's from BB to exchange money when you need. I don't trust the ATM in the DR.
Yes, if an individual wants to save even more money, they could pay for their hotel stay in pesos. Why give the hotel money for nothing? Since I've been living in the DR, I've been paying my rent in pesos instead of dollars. My landlord uses an exchange rate lower than if I had paid him with USD. It's not much, but I can buy gas for my pasola and have enough to get a meal. When I do decide to exchange USD for pesos, I will be the beneficiary of the difference instead of the recipient I am paying.
Thanks Wrx2005. Yes, I meant Jenny's. Put it down to senility.Ok cool. At least now I know I won't be looking for any Wendy's or advising anyone to go to Wendys or Jennys. .
Manizales911
07-20-16, 17:30
I heard from a reliable source that Classico's will only be open on Friday and Saturday nights from now on. This was a decision made by management / ownership not directed by any government entity.
ForceSteeler
07-20-16, 21:29
I heard from a reliable source that Classico's will only be open on Friday and Saturday nights from now on. This was a decision made by management / ownership not directed by any government entity.I personally like the crackdown, Its kinda like a destroy and rebuild, Sousa will go back to the old days. I know a lot of guys that are canceling there plans to come to Sousa and are heading other mongering destinations.
The less mongers coming to Sousa, the more hungry these working girls will be, as they don't know when they will get there next costumer.
Mr Enternational
07-21-16, 02:33
I personally like the crackdown, Its kinda like a destroy and rebuild, Sousa will go back to the old days. I know a lot of guys that are canceling there plans to come to Sousa and are heading other mongering destinations.
The less mongers coming to Sousa, the more hungry these working girls will be, as they don't know when they will get there next costumer.From what I gather when I was there on a Tuesday, the less mongers coming to Sosua, the more the chicks that are worth anything will also stay away from Sosua. So if there are no mongers going then all you will be dealing with is scraps. And I have word that those scraps are so hungry that they are asking $100.
Put it down to senility.That is an old excuse!
ForceSteeler
07-21-16, 03:28
From what I gather when I was there on a Tuesday, the less mongers coming to Sosua, the more the chicks that are worth anything will also stay away from Sosua. So if there are no mongers going then all you will be dealing with is scraps. And I have word that those scraps are so hungry that they are asking $100.I do not know how a chica will ask for $100 Dollars when you barley have costumers traveling to Sousa. Example If a hotel charges $40 a night and they barley have any costumers and are struggling, I don't see how they can charge $100 night will give you anymore business. The remaining costumers that stays at your hotel will simply vanish. When a business is struggling I don't know how raising the price makes it better.
Now I would agree that girls that are worth anything might stop coming to Sousa, but I believe its because of technology. These Chicas can hustle the internet like Tagged and other social media. There's a lot of simps in America, I know 2 chicas personally that have guys they never even met, Send them Western Union. They give me sob stories all the time, (My mom died, school, I have no food in the fridge, etc.) and these guys send $100-$200 a month no problems, Some of these guys have no plans to visit the Dominican republic, They are sometimes happy that a beautiful women will talk to them and that is good enough for them, Where as they have to deal with the bullshit attitudes of a typical American women.
I personally like the crackdown, Its kinda like a destroy and rebuild, Sousa will go back to the old days. I know a lot of guys that are canceling there plans to come to Sousa and are heading other mongering destinations.
The less mongers coming to Sousa, the more hungry these working girls will be, as they don't know when they will get there next costumer.At least for some time most of the girls will stay away from Sosua. If all the pick up bars are closed there will be no place for them to hang out. They will not pay fees to get into Classico not knowing if they will make any money.
Smaller bars will not let girls sit there. Generally speaking this will be the end of Sosua as a mongering destination. Downfall will extend to all the hotels and restaurants as well. I do not believe tourists will fill in. Most them are content to stay in secure, gated, well fed all inclusive resorts. Drinks are included there and they can dance, enjoy the shows etc. In all my years of going to Sosua I have not seen many tourists hanging out in local bars. Mostly mongers and chicas.
Working girls will travel to greener pastures where they will not be hassled. Less mongers does not mean better bargains. When the number of chicas fall prices will definitely rise as well as the attitudes.
This has happened in China. Girls were freely available everywhere before very cheap. Once the authorities cracked down everything is closed and it takes extra effort to find one.
Working girls will travel to greener pastures where they will not be hassled. Less mongers does not mean better bargains. When the number of chicas fall prices will definitely rise as well as the attitudes.Less girls and less mongers in Sosua, but they will definitely stay on the island. There isn't many places these girls can go. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Dominican_Republic_citizens.
Mr Enternational
07-21-16, 12:35
Less girls and less mongers in Sosua, but they will definitely stay on the island. There isn't many places these girls can go. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Dominican_Republic_citizens.They will definitely stay on the island, but that is not to say they will stay in the business. What happened to all of the Rio hookers when Help and all the termas closed?
A LETTER FROM A U.S. CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.
"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.
Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.
They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country.
Now the woman is claiming she has no help and is praying on the media for help. The car insurance was there on day one and this should've been over with. Now I am stuck here with no funds. I wanted to live here and open a business which is the reason why I came now I want to sue this country when I return to the USA I lost my job, house and almost everything I own.
There is no justice in this country for American citizens. Most people think we are rich or are here to meet women. I was here for a change of life. I've been coming here since 2007 and I seen this community change for the worst.
Everyone is for themselves here. I came to find out I was charged without being charged for a crime when it was the other party's fault. They had not back tail lights no license ID or insurance to be on the bike especially at night with no back tail lights.
My passport was taken from me and held for over a week. My lawyer put a restriction on my passport after I paid him his fee and disappeared. I am told unless I give up 10,000 I can not leave the country and this was told to me by the district attorney or I have to wait six months. I no longer have any money and no more resources. I plan on suing everyone. It is sad because I wanted to live here and enjoy my live now I will never come back here again. It is crazy I work for the police department in New York I never committed a crime and I was trying to help the local church in Montellnao get bibles.
I wanted to find a way to help the kids on the street get some kind of education because that is the main problem education but what do you do when the city of Sosua is trying extort money from you.
I am best friends with many of the police offices here and really look out for me and protected me when I was detained. These guys really work hard protecting this city and deserve pay accordingly. ".
Thank you for reading this letter.
Sabar.
A LETTER FROM A U.S. CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.
"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.
Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.
Sabar.While I sympathize with the writer (if all he says is true) it looks like he did not understand the culture he was immersing himself in.
Different cultures place different values on different commodities.
Most of the people of the DR are in survival mode. They look at "rich" foreigners who have lots of money to spend on travel and hookers, like some folks back home look at the big banks and insurance companies.
A padded insurance claim, a cash transaction with no tax is common practice back home. Likewise, "taking" from a rich tourist is no biggie down there. They send their daughters and girlfriends out to prostitute themselves, again, no biggie. Then, there are the real criminals :) Generally they don't have a lot of respect for foreigners, especially mongers.
They feel that 10,000 peso is not a life changer to a Norte Amaricano traveler, just a day's mongering, but could be almost life and death to a local and their children. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying it is what it is!
If you understand that, you can operate in their culture, without getting ripped off. It's a fine balance. But you can have solid relationships based on mutual respect, and learn how to say NO! without pissing people off.
But that aside, somebody here recently accused me of being "afraid to drive down there" because of the advice I give to lower your exposure to trouble. You're on vacation, right?
I have driven in London, Rome, New York City, Berlin, Milan, Paris, Prague and Budapest. I CAN drive anywhere, but the culture and the law in the DR is a little more primitive.
You need to be aware of that and act accordingly.
Unless you live down there for an extended period, I still advise the alternatives, motoconcho driver, autobus, guagua, publico and taxi.
Even then, you will not be completely safe.
They will definitely stay on the island, but that is not to say they will stay in the business. What happened to all of the Rio hookers when Help and all the termas closed?Excellent question! What did happen to those girls? I'm wondering what these uneducated sosua chicas are going to do when a large percentage of mongers decide to go elsewhere. I don't think there are many employment opportunities, not that these chicas want to work. It's going to be interesting to see how it the chicas adapt. Stay tuned!
At least for some time most of the girls will stay away from Sosua. If all the pick up bars are closed there will be no place for them to hang out. They will not pay fees to get into Classico not knowing if they will make any money.
Smaller bars will not let girls sit there. Generally speaking this will be the end of Sosua as a mongering destination.Quite so. Only just recently I was taken to task by a prominent poster here for describing these bars as prostitution bars, but that is what they are.
Excellent question! What did happen to those girls? I'm wondering what these uneducated sosua chicas are going to do when a large percentage of mongers decide to go elsewhere. I don't think there are many employment opportunities, not that these chicas want to work. It's going to be interesting to see how it the chicas adapt. Stay tuned!I would not worry about them. I had a 40-year old Haitian woman working for me for about 2 years, and eventually I fired her for stealing money. She cried at the time and did not know what she would do and where she would live. As of last week she was living in Brazil, was pregnant, and living in a very nice apartment according to her Facebook pictures. The chicas you see in Sosua will find other hustles. They will sell lottery tickets, babysit children, clean homes, and so on. The attractive ones will get Russian or Italian boyfriends and will send money home to their sisters. Don't lose any sleep over their plight.
They will definitely stay on the island, but that is not to say they will stay in the business. What happened to all of the Rio hookers when Help and all the termas closed?I don't know where the Brazilian girls went, but I doubt if they all retired. It is a big country and they always have the possibility to go to Europe, which the Dominicans don't have. The babies still need milk and I'm sure many of these girls will be seen in Bavaro and other tourist destinations in DR.
A LETTER FROM A U.S. CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.
"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.
Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.
They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country.
Now the woman is claiming she has no help and is praying on the media for help. The car insurance was there on day one and this should've been over with. Now I am stuck here with no funds. I wanted to live here and open a business which is the reason why I came now I want to sue this country when I return to the USA I lost my job, house and almost everything I own.
There is no justice in this country for American citizens. Most people think we are rich or are here to meet women. I was here for a change of life. I've been coming here since 2007 and I seen this community change for the worst.
Everyone is for themselves here. I came to find out I was charged without being charged for a crime when it was the other party's fault. They had not back tail lights no license ID or insurance to be on the bike especially at night with no back tail lights.
My passport was taken from me and held for over a week. My lawyer put a restriction on my passport after I paid him his fee and disappeared. I am told unless I give up 10,000 I can not leave the country and this was told to me by the district attorney or I have to wait six months. I no longer have any money and no more resources. I plan on suing everyone. It is sad because I wanted to live here and enjoy my live now I will never come back here again. It is crazy I work for the police department in New York I never committed a crime and I was trying to help the local church in Montellnao get bibles.
I wanted to find a way to help the kids on the street get some kind of education because that is the main problem education but what do you do when the city of Sosua is trying extort money from you.
I am best friends with many of the police offices here and really look out for me and protected me when I was detained. These guys really work hard protecting this city and deserve pay accordingly. ".
Thank you for reading this letter.
Sabar.1. This guys sounds kind of retarded. Says that there is no justice for US citizens, but does not say if he requested consular assistance. 2. Says he is planning on suing "everyone" Like how? 3. If he hit a bike from behind at night that had no lights, there might be some dispute about culpability, even if the bike had no lights. Supposing you hit a pedestrian at night who had no lights? 4. Even if he has no liability under Dominican law, everyone who drives at night knows that you have to look out for bikes without lights. They are not exactly rare. 5. he does not say what kind of business he wants to open, but he doesn't sound like someone who should open a business in the DR. 6. There is no shortage of Bibles in Montellano.
Quite so. Only just recently I was taken to task by a prominent poster here for describing these bars as prostitution bars, but that is what they are.Don't worry about it Fannie.
I was taken to task for calling the whole town a brothel. But that's what it is! :)
Charles Pooter
07-21-16, 15:37
I was trying to help the local church in Montellnao get bibles.
Pity I had to read this far to find out the guy is a phony. May his God protect him!
Mr Enternational
07-21-16, 15:41
I don't know where the Brazilian girls went, but I doubt if they all retired. It is a big country and they always have the possibility to go to Europe, which the Dominicans don't have. The babies still need milk and I'm sure many of these girls will be seen in Bavaro and other tourist destinations in DR.Say what? Plenty of Dominicans in Europe, Panama, Curacao, and even my hometown Atlanta. In the past month, 2 Dominican chicks that I mess with have gone to the USA for the first time. And these chicks are nothing special. One is a preschool teacher and the other has a menial job in Salcedo. Where did you get the idea that they do not have the possibility?
It is just that the Brazilian chicks did not stay hookers, the same as the Dominicans will not. If that was the case then in the 10 years that I have been going to Sosua it would be over run by hookers by now. Yet you see the same 3 or 4 that you have seen there for years, a few that you have seen for the last 2 years, and you see some new ones. You don't see troupes of hookers going from city to city. Those chicks move on to regular jobs, the same as they could have done without ever hooking in the first place.
Don'why worry about it Fannie.
I was taken to task for calling the whole town a brothel. But that's what it is! :)I keep trying to educate you it is not a brothel. Even if you do not drive which you do not I assume. Just walk and educate yourself about sosua. Start at Gansevoort and walk towards Cabarete and you will see multi million dollar homes all the way to cabarete tell those people sosua is a brothel. Take a right at the police station and go up in the back hills multi million dollar homes all up in those hills that is sosua as welll, but if all you know is the center of town you have no idea how many rich people live in sosua. That is why you make statements because you never educated yourself on really seeing all of sosua. For me, I like to see everything and learn, but that is just me.
That is why you keep hearing mongers say they cannot do this, but these people get off a plane and stay on the strip go to the beach and leave. They think that is sosua and it is not. So, they think their dollars run sosua and it does not. They tolerated for the good of the poor people, but now they have said no more. The head of claro has a home in sosua. A lot of rich people from santiago have vacation homes in sosua. That is again why they want to close it down they do not want that reputation no more. If you ever flew private out of puerta plata airport you will be surprised how many private planes come and go from that airport with people from sosua, but you do not know any of this.
I keep trying to educate you it is not a brothel. Even if you do not drive which you do not I assume. Just walk and educate yourself about sosua. Start at Gansevoort and walk towards Cabarete and you will see multi million dollar homes all the way to cabarete tell those people sosua is a brothel. Take a right at the police station and go up in the back hills multi million dollar homes all up in those hills that is sosua as welll, but if all you know is the center of town you have no idea how many rich people live in sosua. That is why you make that statements because you never educated yourself on really seeing all of sosua. For me, I like to see everything and learn, but that is just me.Sosua is the world's third most popular sex tourist destination after Bangkok and Rio. It even has it's own monger forum, one of the most active! Deal with it! Educate yourself! :)
That, like it or not, is the image that Sosua has earned for itself, honestly, and Flash! It is the reason other citizens are upset and want to shut their main business down, and bring in "family business".
And somehow I'm thinking I have spent more time with local families of Sosua, Charamicos, Abajo, La Union, and other towns very close to the Haitian border that don't see a tourist very often, than you, these last 9 years of being "wifed up" . But that's just me!
Go and educate somebody else. Here's a quarter!
Sosua is the world's third most popular sex tourist destination after Bangkok and Rio. It even has it's own monger forum, one of the most active! Deal with it! Educate yourself! :)
And somehow I'm thinking I have spent more time with local families of Sosua, Charamicos, Abajo, La Union, and other towns very close to the Haitian border that don't see a tourist very often, than you, these last 9 years of being "wifed up" .
But that's just me!I am not sure on those statistics you need to post the source. I am numbers person so I always need to see the source. Post it. You cannot just quote. Also, if it was so vital why are there not huge protests and riots. I am glad you have spent times with the locals that is why i am surprised you put them down and call there town a brothel. That is what you think about them after 9 years. You do not think better of them.
A LETTER FROM A U.S. CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.
"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.
Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.
They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country..[Deleted by Admin].
Good luck suing everyone. I am not sure what you are going to sue them for since this the way it has worked there forever. There is a reason gringos shouldn't rent or drive moto's and cars in DR. Had you done your homework, you would have known that and not put yourself in this position.
The fact your a cop, makes the entire thing even more sweet justice.
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Riky Rapido
07-21-16, 16:41
1. This guys sounds kind of retarded. Says that there is no justice for US citizens, but does not say if he requested consular assistance. 2. Says he is planning on suing "everyone" Like how? 3. If he hit a bike from behind at night that had no lights, there might be some dispute about culpability, even if the bike had no lights. Supposing you hit a pedestrian at night who had no lights? 4. Even if he has no liability under Dominican law, everyone who drives at night knows that you have to look out for bikes without lights. They are not exactly rare. 5. he does not say what kind of business he wants to open, but he doesn't sound like someone who should open a business in the DR. 6. There is no shortage of Bibles in Montellano.About 5 years ago a dominicana friend who is a naturalized US citizen was here on vacation. She owns a house and 4 WD, jeepeta here in the RD. It was late at night, she had left her boyfriend's bar, when she arrived at her house, her kid sitting in back of her open the door, a guy on a small motocycle collided with the door. He had no lights, no helmet. He was lying in the road and another vehicle came along, the guy manhandled him into his trunk and hauled the injured guy to the hospital. The police came for my friend, she had to come up with 200,000 to keep out of jail. The injured guy had a broken arm, and other minor injuries, concussion, and my friend wound up paying 27,000 pesos to the guy for his medical bills. She got her 200,000 back and I don't know how much she paid to the lawyer and to the police. Message is, if you are a gringo, you pay. No matter who is at fault.
Sosua is the world's third most popular sex tourist destination after Bangkok and Rio. It even has it's own monger forum, one of the most active! Deal with it! Educate yourself! :)
That, like it or not, is the image that Sosua has earned for itself, honestly, and Flash! It is the reason other citizens are upset and want to shut their main business down, and bring in "family business".
And somehow I'm thinking I have spent more time with local families of Sosua, Charamicos, Abajo, La Union, and other towns very close to the Haitian border that don't see a tourist very often, than you, these last 9 years of being "wifed up" . But that's just me!
Go and educate somebody else. Here's a quarter!Wrong on so many levels. Sousa is third most popular, that is a stupid thing to say and far from fact. Maybe it's the most popular for the "brothas" from NY but it's not even on the list when you consider sex tourism destinations. I suggest you educate yourself before trying to educate others.
Say what? Plenty of Dominicans in Europe, Panama, Curacao, and even my hometown Atlanta. In the past month, 2 Dominican chicks that I mess with have gone to the USA for the first time. And these chicks are nothing special. One is a preschool teacher and the other has a menial job in Salcedo. Where did you get the idea that they do not have the possibility?
It is just that the Brazilian chicks did not stay hookers, the same as the Dominicans will not. If that was the case then in the 10 years that I have been going to Sosua it would be over run by hookers by now. Yet you see the same 3 or 4 that you have seen there for years, a few that you have seen for the last 2 years, and you see some new ones. You don't see troupes of hookers going from city to city. Those chicks move on to regular jobs, the same as they could have done without ever hooking in the first place.Of course there are Dominicans all over the western world. But you cannot compare a preschool teacher with a Sosua hooker in the visa process. When a hooker from Help goes to buy her ticker, packs her bags and flies to Europe, the Sosuan girl has to buy her ticket, make the confirmed hotel reservations, have a credit card, show a bank account statement with cash and steady income. Everything can be done but it's not like taking the Expreso Bavaro to Drink Point, where all these girls have already at least one prima walking the streets or hanging in the bars.
How do you know what happened to the hookers in Brazil? I don't think that some conversations with few hookers you know, is a proof of a tendency among the girls from Help. For further reading, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias.
I am not sure on those statistics you need to post the source. I am numbers person so I always need to see the source. Post it. You cannot just quote. Also, if it was so vital why are there not huge protests and riots. I am glad you have spent times with the locals that is why i am surprised you put them down and call there town a brothel. That is what you think about them after 9 years. You do not think better of them.If you don't know the difference between Rebublica Dominica, and Sosua, I don't need your lectures thank you!
OK so Sosua is among the top 10 world sex tourist destinations and prostitution is perfectly legal. It is a place you can go and find hundreds of prostitutes and pay them for their sexual services. As Frannie says below, all Sosua bars are, by his definition, Quote: "prostitution bars". Even I would not go THAT far. Regular Dominicans consider Sosua to be a brothel and many of our members GFs will not go there because of this reputation.
It is compared by mongers in this forum all the time with Rio and Bangkok, and perhaps Medellin, not with Venice or Aspen :)
If it's not a brothel, just what are they trying to shut down?
Quagmire1974
07-21-16, 17:42
A LETTER FROM A U.S. CITIZEN EXTORTED IN SOSUA.
"I have a very bad distaste in my mouth about this country and the city of Sosua. I was involved in a car accident one month ago I did everything I could to help the family and my car insurance was supposed to take care of the injured victims.
Even though it was not my fault I paid for the ambulance to take the victim to Santiago I gave the family gas and food money to go to Santiago and I even went to visit the family in the hospital too see if they needed anything, I felt bad for the family. When the family found out I was an American citizen then came the extortion.
They refuse to use the insurance to aid their medical needs and are now in the process of trying to extort money out of me in order for me too leave the country...Reminds me of a meme I saw floating around on the internet a while back. It had a picture of that famous gecko and the phrase said:
"I just saved a ton of money on my auto insurance by putting the car in reverse and driving away from the scene of the accident."
Mr. Bibles should have done the same thing.
If you don't know the difference between Rebublica Dominica, and Sosua, I don't need your lectures thank you!
OK so Sosua is among the top 10 world sex tourist destinations and prostitution is perfectly legal. It is a place you can go and find hundreds of prostitutes and pay them for their sexual services. As Frannie says below, all Sosua bars are, by his definition, Quote: "prostitution bars". Even I would not go THAT far. Regular Dominicans consider Sosua to be a brothel and many of our members GFs will not go there because of this reputation.
It is compared by mongers in this forum all the time with Rio and Bangkok, and perhaps Medellin, not with Venice or Aspen :)
If it's not a brothel, just what are they trying to shut down?I think there trying to shut down about one block. Because they do not want people to come from out of town and pick up prostitutes in that area. They are not trying to shut down a whole town. You basically define that one block as all of sosua. It is not. But, maybe all the people you know live in that one block that is why you think all of sosua is a brothel. Trust me I do not need your quarter. I just find it interesting you were very confident and said sosua is a top 3 sex destination I question you on it and ask for a source now you say in top 10. Facts matter. They always do. But, thanks for educating yourself and changing your statistic to top ten.
As Frannie says below, all Sosua bars are, by his definition, Quote: "prostitution bars". Even I would not go THAT far. That is not what I intended to say. I meant that the principal large and popular bars on Pedro Clissante such as Rumba, Latinos, Classico disco, and so on are bars whole entire business depends on prostitution, and that several of the hotels likewise depend on the same market. Of course there are other places around Sosua where you can get a drink or a hotel room where this does not apply, or not to anything like the same extent.
I lived in Sosua for a couple of years and is is a gross exaggeration to say that the whole town is a brothel. After all it has several schools, several churches, hospitals, restaurants, vetinarians, dentists, supermarkets, car repair stores, hardware stores, pharmacies that don't depend on Viagra sales, and so on. It can also be described as a retirement community.
Sosua is the world's third most popular sex tourist destination after Bangkok and Rio. Where does Amsterdam rank?
I think there trying to shut down about one block. Because they do not want people to come from out of town and pick up prostitutes in that area. They are not trying to shut down a whole town. You basically define that one block as all of sosua. It is not. But, maybe all the people you know live in that one block that is why you think all of sosua is a brothel. Trust me I do not need your quarter. I just find it interesting you were very confident and said sosua is a top 3 sex destination I question you on it and ask for a source now you say in top 10. Facts matter. They always do. But, thanks for educating yourself and changing your statistic to top ten.Exactly. What a lot of people simply don't appreciate is that Sosua is a very cosmopolitan place compared to most towns in the DR and that it is seen by many people as a desirable retirement location. For, example in the supermarkets in Sosua, you can buy all kinds of quality products and produce that you can't find in supermarkets in Florida. You can live in a beautiful home in the area and afford domestic help such as cook, housekeeper, gardener for a fraction of the price in the US or Europe. The gorgeous apartment I had in Sosua for $1100 per month could not be matched for double the price in Florida.
Where does Amsterdam rank?Just behind Pattaya.
That is not what I intended to say. I meant that the principal large and popular bars on Pedro Clissante such as Rumba, Latinos, Classico disco, and so on are bars whole entire business depends on prostitution, and that several of the hotels likewise depend on the same market. Of course there are other places around Sosua where you can get a drink or a hotel room where this does not apply, or not to anything like the same extent.
I lived in Sosua for a couple of years and is is a gross exaggeration to say that the whole town is a brothel. After all it has several schools, several churches, hospitals, restaurants, vetinarians, dentists, supermarkets, car repair stores, hardware stores, pharmacies that don't depend on Viagra sales, and so on. It can also be described as a retirement community.C'mon, grow up. We are adults here!
When I say the whole town is a brothel, I mean you can pick up prostitutes everywhere and anywhere in the vicinity, and a choice of hourly places to fuck them and it's all legal.
I don't mean that you can walk into a hospital and fuck all the nurses, (although, more than a few would give you their number :)
This is getting weird!
Exactly. What a lot of people simply don't appreciate is that Sosua is a very cosmopolitan place compared to most towns in the DR and that it is seen by many people as a desirable retirement location. For, example in the supermarkets in Sosua, you can buy all kinds of quality products and produce that you can't find in supermarkets in Florida. You can live in a beautiful home in the area and afford domestic help such as cook, housekeeper, gardener for a fraction of the price in the US or Europe. The gorgeous apartment I had in Sosua for $1100 per month could not be matched for double the price in Florida.Sosua? Cosmopolitan?
Chase out the hookers and their johns and see how long those wonderful stores last.
Exactly. What a lot of people simply don't appreciate is that Sosua is a very cosmopolitan place compared to most towns in the DR and that it is seen by many people as a desirable retirement location. For, example in the supermarkets in Sosua, you can buy all kinds of quality products and produce that you can't find in supermarkets in Florida. You can live in a beautiful home in the area and afford domestic help such as cook, housekeeper, gardener for a fraction of the price in the US or Europe. The gorgeous apartment I had in Sosua for $1100 per month could not be matched for double the price in Florida.So just the other day you were whining about chicas dry-humping guys in your favorite restaurant, and telling us all you've had enough and are moving out.
So which is today?
Weirder and weirder, LOL.
From what I gather when I was there on a Tuesday, the less mongers coming to Sosua, the more the chicks that are worth anything will also stay away from Sosua. So if there are no mongers going then all you will be dealing with is scraps. And I have word that those scraps are so hungry that they are asking $100.What you are saying has merit. I don't think every chica sees the crackdown the same way we would. I have heard a number of chicas claim they wanted 3000 or more, just for an hour. And I spoke to several mongers who said chicas told them the same. So a chica claiming to want $100 US does not surprise me at all. And that's not necessarily the dimes out of Classicos either. I think what's happening, enough chicas think they need to get as much as they can out of one client to make up for the drop in customersl, and reduced hours they have to score a client. Especially at night.
Thats not to say, mongers arent seeing 1000 to 1500 deals from desperate chicas. It's just that a number of chicas aint budging from their higher expectations of getting paid. And that's likely because they have a goal of how much they intend to make in a day or a week. And if they can't get as many clients as usual, that may be why enough won't budge from 3000 + for ST. The other thing is, along with many regular dudes coming, there are still new guys coming to Sosua for their debut as well as the return of recent mongers that are now addicted to Sosua.
The chicas haven't sunk their teeth deep enough into these guys yet. So as far as chicas are concerned they can adapt to current conditions somewhat, and try to make up for it from the new guys who have a ton of loot to spend. In some instances, chicas try to use the crackdown to gain sympathy from mongers in order to get business. The apparent problem is, chicas have a lot of competition with other chicas for customers.
Bourbon Street restaurant is one of the primary hangout spots now. A lot of chicas who are willing to pay for a few drinks, come to sit a while. Thing is, many sit for hours hoping to get a client. One thing I noticed, some of these chicas kinda have an anti-social look about them. Big difference in attitude than the way chicas behaved when DD Latins was open. Now, many of these chicas are mean mugging or acting like nobody is in the room with them. I guess they are supposed to be demonstrating that they have class, and don't need our business? I don't know.
But it almost seems that enough chicas uniformly decided to keep their eyes front, when walking and / or sitting. And not to engage with anybody unless they are approached or called over. A lot of these chicas don't know. A bad or anti social attitude aint going to boost business. I know a lot of guys would rather invest his money with a 6 or 7 with a nice personailty prepared for taking care of their client, than a 9 or 10 with a stank / stuck up attitude, and have no clue what he's in store for in his spot.
SavePros321
07-21-16, 21:23
Damn! You guys had the Sosua forum on overdrive today! I have to go back 3 pages just to catch up, LOL!
What you are saying has merit. I don't think every chica sees the crackdown the same way we would. I have heard a number of chicas claim they wanted 3000 or more, just for an hour. And I spoke to several mongers who said chicas told them the same. So a chica claiming to want $100 US does not surprise me at all. And that's not necessarily the dimes out of Classicos either. I think what's happening, enough chicas think they need to get as much as they can out of one client to make up for the drop in customersl, and reduced hours they have to score a client. Especially at night.Another way of looking at this from a chicas perspective: an airplane full of horny dudes rolls in just about every weekend. They are going to want a place to stick their dicks (you have to remember that probably 90% of guys traveling to Sosua do not visit this (or any) forum, so they still think Sosua is in full swing). 100 guys; 10 chicas. Less chicas there means they can charge more because where are you going to go? What other options do you have? You didn't drop all that money on airfare and hotel just to sit around with your dick in your hand all weekend, did you?
I can see a 6 asking for and getting $100 in this kind of environment.
Mr Enternational
07-21-16, 21:44
Sosua is the world's third most popular sex tourist destination after Bangkok and Rio. It even has it's own monger forum, one of the most active! Deal with it! Educate yourself! :)Where did you get this information from? Even with a blindfold on I can see that Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya, Tijuana, Hong Kong, Macau, and plenty of other places are more popular sex tourist destinations than Sosua.
DominicanPete
07-21-16, 21:48
I'm a little late to the party but have been following this thread over there last few hours.
I just returned from an amazing stay in the DR. I'm going back for sure and while I am all but certain I am going back to the same place I am open to ideas.
A lot of this back and forth brings a question to my mind. Some of you are saying that the girls who you would rate as a 6 are charging over $100 for an hour. If you went down there and stayed for a week what is total nut you guys are dropping to hang out in bars and pick up the working girls? Whats a ballpark figure at the end of the week on what you have spent on everything?
Tempoecorto
07-21-16, 22:05
Message is, if you are a gringo, you pay. No matter who is at fault.For those who believe in the greatness of the Gringos and the mendacity of a place like the DR (or any other third world spot), check this concept of legalese in the US system: I learned it long back in Grad school from a professor, teaching Corporate Law and who was (is) Harvard Law. Before getting into the suing mode, you want to do your "Due Diligence" to verify who has the "deep pocket".
Enough said!
SavePros321
07-21-16, 22:05
The chicas you see in Sosua will find other hustles. They will sell lottery tickets, babysit children, clean homes, and so on. The attractive ones will get Russian or Italian boyfriends and will send money home to their sisters. Don't lose any sleep over their plight.Yeah, I don't know why guys are completely overlooking the fact that most are just going to move their hustle to the Internet. I am positive that over 99.9% of the chicas that hit me with "such and such is interested in meeting you" on DC are available for P4 P.
What happened to all of the Rio hookers when Help and all the termas closed?Mr E, here's your answer (see attached photo)! I didn't even have to go looking for them. They found me, lmao!!
Those chicks move on to regular jobs, the same as they could have done without ever hooking in the first place.
So getting a job in the DR for chicas is as easy as just walking into an establishment and asking for one? Well apparently we need to be down there talking to the Dominicans about how to create jobs. I didn't know they had such a robust job market! 🤔
Ipanema Carioca
07-21-16, 22:43
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Every year mongers on this board talk dooms day is coming! PC has been closed before, windows put up in the bars, tables went on the streets, and the good people who work in Sosua protested and normalcy reappeared. That mayor will feel the heat soon and will be scared to leave her house for fear of the business owners and the unemployed! She will move to Brooklyn, NY for fear!
What you are saying has merit. I don't think every chica sees the crackdown the same way we would. I have heard a number of chicas claim they wanted 3000 or more, just for an hour. And I spoke to several mongers who said chicas told them the same. So a chica claiming to want $100 US does not surprise me at all. And that's not necessarily the dimes out of Classicos either. I think what's happening, enough chicas think they need to get as much as they can out of one client to make up for the drop in customersl, and reduced hours they have to score a client. Especially at night.
Thats not to say, mongers arent seeing 1000 to 1500 deals from desperate chicas. It's just that a number of chicas aint budging from their higher expectations of getting paid. And that's likely because they have a goal of how much they intend to make in a day or a week. And if they can't get as many clients as usual, that may be why enough won't budge from 3000 + for ST. The other thing is, along with many regular dudes coming, there are still new guys coming to Sosua for their debut as well as the return of recent mongers that are now addicted to Sosua.
The chicas haven't sunk their teeth deep enough into these guys yet. So as far as chicas are concerned they can adapt to current conditions somewhat, and try to make up for it from the new guys who have a ton of loot to spend. In some instances, chicas try to use the crackdown to gain sympathy from mongers in order to get business. The apparent problem is, chicas have a lot of competition with other chicas for customers.
Bourbon Street restaurant is one of the primary hangout spots now. A lot of chicas who are willing to pay for a few drinks, come to sit a while. Thing is, many sit for hours hoping to get a client. One thing I noticed, some of these chicas kinda have an anti-social look about them. Big difference in attitude than the way chicas behaved when DD Latins was open. Now, many of these chicas are mean mugging or acting like nobody is in the room with them. I guess they are supposed to be demonstrating that they have class, and don't need our business? I don't know.
But it almost seems that enough chicas uniformly decided to keep their eyes front, when walking and / or sitting. And not to engage with anybody unless they are approached or called over. A lot of these chicas don't know. A bad or anti social attitude aint going to boost business. I know a lot of guys would rather invest his money with a 6 or 7 with a nice personailty prepared for taking care of their client, than a 9 or 10 with a stank / stuck up attitude, and have no clue what he's in store for in his spot.
Mr Enternational
07-21-16, 23:16
So getting a job in the DR for chicas is as easy as just walking into an establishment and asking for one? Well apparently we need to be down there talking to the Dominicans about how to create jobs. I didn't know they had such a robust job market! 🤔Well it just took me all of 2 minutes to find a job for 20 biitches and at least 1 dude. Think of what I could come up with if I actually lived there.
So just the other day you were whining about chicas dry-humping guys in your favorite restaurant, and telling us all you've had enough and are moving out.
So which is today?
Weirder and weirder, LOL.No, I was explaining that things like the dry humping in a restaurant are the kind of behavior that pisses off some of the locals. The reason why I am no longer living in the DR is completely unconnected. It is because there are certain things that I wish to do that I cannot do while living in the DR.
Damn! You guys had the Sosua forum on overdrive today! I have to go back 3 pages just to catch up, LOL!
Another way of looking at this from a chicas perspective: an airplane full of horny dudes rolls in just about every weekend. They are going to want a place to stick their dicks (you have to remember that probably 90% of guys traveling to Sosua do not visit this (or any) forum, so they still think Sosua is in full swing). 100 guys; 10 chicas. Less chicas there means they can charge more because where are you going to go? What other options do you have? You didn't drop all that money on airfare and hotel just to sit around with your dick in your hand all weekend, did you?
I can see a 6 asking for and getting $100 in this kind of environment.I noticed this afternoon it looks like the Weekend Warriors have arrived, and more are still coming. So, there should be plenty of 3000 peso to $100 USD chicas to accommodate many of these guys tonight, and throughout the weekend. I'm told, many of the high end looking chicas that usually go to Classicos, were piled into Merenge Bar last night.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Every year mongers on this board talk dooms day is coming! PC has been closed before, windows put up in the bars, tables went on the streets, and the good people who work in Sosua protested and normalcy reappeared. That mayor will feel the heat soon and will be scared to leave her house for fear of the business owners and the unemployed! She will move to Brooklyn, NY for fear!I do not tend to hear that (The sky is falling) from any of my expat friends. That seems to generate from guys who only vacation in the DR / Sosua. Many of us think what ever is going on is entertaining. For me, I may live in Sosua, but I'm not consumed with chasing pussy every moment, every day. I actually have a life here beyond chasing after women. And for the record, everything about Sosua is NOT a brothel. And as far as pussy is concerned, there are plenty of options outside of Sosua, and nearby. I do not have to travel around the world, or across the country just to get laid. Travel is for exploring, learning and enjoying. Mongering for me, is just an added bonus, if I choosesto partake.
Most of the guys I know personally who live in the US, they are the ones hearing rumors and sending messages wondering what is going on in Sosua. They are wearing their friends out with their concerns, requests for information and updates. Wondering if they should waste money on a ticket / hotel etc. Meanwhile, me and my expat friends arent concerned in the least. To tell you the truth, it's actually kinda sad for us as grown men to be so concerned about shit like this. Before I even lived down here, I always made sure to establish contacts / regulars so I would not have to rely on the strip. I know some guys that know me, think that just because I live in Sosua, it's all I know. But once you start living here instead of vacationing, your perspective about managing your life and your priorities will change.
Where did you get this information from? Even with a blindfold on I can see that Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya, Tijuana, Hong Kong, Macau, and plenty of other places are more popular sex tourist destinations than Sosua.Actually Sosua is commonly (Goodle search) considered among the top 10 sex destinations.
But, why quibble when the next is Manila, or Pattaya.
I wasn't intentionally misleading you sensitive folks. Actually here in this forum it is compared most often to to Rio and Bangkok! (Wordsearch) so lets say one of the top 3 Forum favorites?
I'm a little late to the party but have been following this thread over there last few hours.
I just returned from an amazing stay in the DR. I'm going back for sure and while I am all but certain I am going back to the same place I am open to ideas.
A lot of this back and forth brings a question to my mind. Some of you are saying that the girls who you would rate as a 6 are charging over $100 for an hour. If you went down there and stayed for a week what is total nut you guys are dropping to hang out in bars and pick up the working girls? Whats a ballpark figure at the end of the week on what you have spent on everything?Just remember you had a good time. I always do.
Why listen to folks that complain about it. One is leaving, one never goes there, and another only goes if he takes a wrong turm (he never actually plans to go).
But they are all on here in this forum telling us we should "move on".
Why? It's a fucking big joke!
Their mileage DOES vary!
OK you guys that say that Sosua is finished and WE should "move on" and "diversify".
Tell you what makes more sense, leave us be, and YOU "move on" and "diversify" LOL ,Go find another forum to fuck up!
No, I was explaining that things like the dry humping in a restaurant are the kind of behavior that pisses off some of the locals. The reason why I am no longer living in the DR is completely unconnected. It is because there are certain things that I wish to do that I cannot do while living in the DR.You complain about chicas dry humping in a favorite restaurant in front of the kids and say you are moving out of Sosua.
The only two points you made in your post sounded like they were connected.
Weirder and weirder LOL.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 02:41
Tell you what makes more sense, leave us be, and YOU "move on" and "diversify" LOL ,Go find another forum to fuck up!Who is us? It seems you are the one fucking up the forum. You have been fucking the same chick in Sosua for 9 years and have made maybe 1 report out of damn near 1000 on fucking maybe 1 other chick, while saying you go and help other guys find pussy. All you have done is complain about other people complaining. And in the midst of your rant, you still failed to answer the questions of the post that you were responding to.
Ipanema Carioca
07-22-16, 03:54
Wrx2005, I wasn't intending my post for you. Though I'm not an expat, I agree with all you say. I told a friend of mine yesterday that none of what's happening in Sosua will hamper with me going to Sosua or anywhere in DR.
I do not tend to hear that (The sky is falling) ...
Actually Sosua is commonly (Goodle search) considered among the top 10 sex destinations.
But, why quibble when the next is Manila, or Pattaya.
I wasn't intentionally misleading you sensitive folks. Actually here in this forum it is compared most often to to Rio and Bangkok! (Wordsearch) so lets say one of the top 3 Forum favorites?One can have a great time in Sosua. However, putting it in the same league as Rio or Bangkok is absurd. It's like comparing [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) Wee baseball to the Majors.
From what I gather when I was there on a Tuesday, the less mongers coming to Sosua, the more the chicks that are worth anything will also stay away from Sosua. So if there are no mongers going then all you will be dealing with is scraps. And I have word that those scraps are so hungry that they are asking $100.They can't be that hungry if the are doubling the price. They aren't doing us any favors by selling ass for $1000 to 2000 for st. If the chicas union had their way the starting price would be $100. But it doesn't work like that for them. It doesn't work like that for us. How long do you think it will take chica to convince us to start paying $100 because they are starving. Guys that have been coming here for years. Costa Rica is dead to me because of their prices. It's a shorter trip. I'm still dealing with Latina women. But the standard price is ridiculous. Sosua is what it is because of price and location. If a half starving chica can convince me that I need to pay her $100 more than she needs 1500 peso for a quick nut she is the bomb. I definitely can understand a chica trying go on prices to compensate on lost wages but really. We have to charge you more because of government is f* with us. However when things get better we'll start selling out ass cheaper again. We really don't have a choice but we are hungry and willing be do anything for our children. Like charging for more money. I bet the chicas in Puerto Plata loving the Shakedowns. With the irritations in sosua now tourists will go there spread their money. I'm sure a lot of places are already reaping the benefits. In Nagua you can pay as low as 500 pesos. That's just an hour and a half from sosua. I love sports f* I go to sosua because it has an American twist to cater to tourists. However if that went dead you can always SF in the capital. There are enough Street walkers for you to find your flavor.
If the standard price is $100 it wouldn't change anything. But the standard price for a chica. And all you would have girls doing is rushing the normal guy trying to hurry up and get back on the streets to get another hundred dollars.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 05:16
I bet the chicas in Puerto Plata loving the Shakedowns. With the irritations in sosua now tourists will go there spread their money.I don't know about that dog. Did you catch Camaro's last post in the Puerto Plata thead?
Sosua changes.
On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua. Businesses that sell alcohol will closed at midnight Monday. Thursday and 2 am on the weekends. It was reported Rumbas closed at midnight and Classicos was dead also. CESTUR was taking chicas who were walking solo in custody, they had to pay 500 pesos to get released. At 1 am there was almost no traffic on Pedro Clisante.
Kviar in Puerto Plata was ROCKIN!
I was in Kviar after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on whatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas haciendo en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ROTFL! The Kviar crew started looking around like WTF is going on here I hope we don't have the Clash of the Titans. LOL! Already Kviar chicas are complaining about Sosua chicas invading their territory. Only the future will tell how well the transition will be for those chicas who are migrating to Puerto Plata.
I don't know about that dog. Did you catch Camaro's last post in the Puerto Plata thead?That's Chica and Chica. I understand the Chica in Puerto Plata telling the Chica in sosua don't come running over here now. I know they don't want the girls from sosua to invade they're hunting ground. But they would love to have The Tourist. We will be forced back to having girlfriend experience.
Who is us? It seems you are the one fucking up the forum. You have been fucking the same chick in Sosua for 9 years and have made maybe 1 report out of damn near 1000 on fucking maybe 1 other chick, while saying you go and help other guys find pussy. All you have done is complain about other people complaining. And in the midst of your rant, you still failed to answer the questions of the post that you were responding to.It's called consistency, something you can't grasp.
Here's you:
*''*I will return to Sosua because I have a chick in Puerto Plata that I have been seeing for 9 years. Would I plan a trip with the express purpose of going to Sosua is a better question. The answer is No. Actually I have not planned a trip to Sosua for years anyway. I just usually fall through Sosua anywhere from a couple of hours to 2 days max while I am up that way - Mr E***.
So, you're DONE with Sosua, right? Same chick for 9 years too??? :)
Here's you again:
****They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now why'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified. - MR E****.
So as far as you are concerned, it's lights out in Sosua! You couldn't be more wrong pal.
So my question to you is, WTF are you doing on here anyway? Why do you want to chase Sosua visitors away with your inconsistent shit?
I stopped trying to follow your inconsistent, but circle jerk approved positions on everything from paying propina to chica to have her leave, to paying hoes, or not paying hoes, to the weird shit above about YOU fucking the same chica for 9 years, and complaining to me about the same thing :)
That took the cake, even by your fucking standards.
As for my own 1000 reports, I have discussed every aspect of the DR, the whole Island, not just getting laid, probably a lot more than most.
But, my readers, as always, (publicly and privately) get to decide if it's worth my time.
In the meantime some of you guys have had more "retirements" from Sosua, than J-Zed, Babra Streisand and Momma Judd combined, so pardon us if we've heard this shit before :)
You really should, as you always tell us, "move on and diversify".
And, don't let the door hit ya!
Camaro1257
07-22-16, 13:14
July 20,2016 Pedro Clisante, Sosua.
I had 2 meetings at Bourbon Street on Pedro Clisante one during the day and one at night and I had a chance to asses the situation on the ground.
Chez Mon Real the restaurant at the corner of Dr Rosen and Pedro Clisante is pretty slow during the day but it picks up at night. It has become a hang out spot for the chicas waiting for clients. Rumbas is still closed and there is construction (almost an entire section of the street is rubble) on the sidewalk in front and on the south side of Pedro Clisante.
Bourbon Street the restaurant across the street from Rumbas is alive and well. I went to meet a friend for dinner and there were very few places to sit inside because all the tables were mostly taken by chicas. There literally were more chicas inside sitting than men eating. Generally speaking the chicas order something but it's usually a beverage and rarely a full meal.
Merengue has there crowd between 9 pm and when they have to close at midnight during the week and at 2 am on the weekends. Chics walk between Bourbon Street and Merengue in a rotation looking for clients. Classicos now is only open on the weekend.
Basically with Rumbas closed significant numbers of chics have moved to Chez Mon Real and Bourbon Street. Later on in the night they move to Merengue and Classicos on the weekends. Pedro Clisante was closing at 6 pm but now it is open throughout the night. CESTUR (POLITUR) and Polica Nacional are still rounding up chics, I've heard they are hitting them between 500-1500 pesos. Chics are running up and down Pedro Clisante and sometimes traveling in groups holding hands.
There is foot traffic but not much.
Wrx2005, I wasn't intending my post for you. Though I'm not an expat, I agree with all you say. I told a friend of mine yesterday that none of what's happening in Sosua will hamper with me going to Sosua or anywhere in DR.Oh I knew you werent directing towards me. I was just noting that there are those that do come off as if the sky is falling, but it seems to come primarily from those that do not live here. On another note. It's quite apparent that chicas behavior is different towards guys that do not live here vs those that do. And men act in kind.
Chicas are very active communicating with men abroad, trying to get money, gifts, sympathy. More lies are told than you can shake a stick at. Men that don't live in the DR, many are caught up emotionally with some of these chicas, although they may deny it. Sending money WU, buying gifts, clothes, paying for all kinds of shit at the behest of the chica unloading all of her personal problems on some dude. (I know, because in the beginning when I was vacationing, I did some of that, until I wised up).
Meanwhile, it appears that expats don't get the barrage of HELP ME requests. The I'm sick, my kids are sick, my mother died, my electricity is about to get cut off, my refrigerater broke down, I have no food for me and my kids. The list is long. The chicas know you live here, they don't target expats the same. They may try. Especially with those older cats, with a shit load of money, and a bleeding heart.
For the most part. Guys that live here, and the chicas know it, they don't get hit with as much BS messages as guys that don't live here. Moreover, MOST guys that live here don't feel the need to be buying a bunch of stuff (clothes, phones, perfume etc) for these chicas. Its not like expats can't. They can get their hands on the same shit as the guys back home.
We see chicas doing quite fine without further input from guys that live in the DR. So in essence. Many guys that live here have a different mindset than many of the guys that don't live here, but feel some compulsion to go above and behind what they will be paying the chica in person. Nothing wrong with a barter exchange agreement. But very often, the effort to "make oneself feel good" giving to some of these chicas doesn't pan out to be a fair exchange. And often the guys are really being used, and the chica doesn't really appreciate the effort or the gift. They fake it, just like they may fake enjoying the guys company.
In addition, the gift giving IMO makes many dudes look like a mark, since many of these chicas have chulos, boyfriends, husbands, or a bunch of other guys sending them shit too ( sometimes duplicating what was already sent by somebody else ). At some point, a dude really doesn't know where his place in line is, and often dont really care. But you can bet after giving or sending, he'll feel like he's number one. Like I've said before. It's entertaining watching how this p4 p game is orchestrated. By everyone involved.
ForceSteeler
07-22-16, 13:35
Oh I knew you werent directing towards me. I was just noting that there are those that do come off as if the sky is falling, but it seems to come primarily from those that do not live here. On another note. It's quite apparent that chicas behavior is different towards guys that do not live here vs those that do. And men act in kind.
Chicas are very active communicating with men abroad, trying to get money, gifts, sympathy. More lies are told than you can shake a stick at. Men that don't live in the DR, many are caught up emotionally with some of these chicas, although they may deny it. Sending money WU, buying gifts, clothes, paying for all kinds of shit at the behest of the chica unloading all of her personal problems on some dude. (I know, because in the beginning when I was vacationing, I did some of that, until I wised up)..Man I'm different, in the 5 years I have been going to Sousa, I never fell for those Western Union Hustle Scams, I never understood how guys fall for working girls, you think if she bangs you for $40 that she won't bang another guy while your back in your country.
July 20,2016 Pedro Clisante, Sosua.
I had 2 meetings at Bourbon Street on Pedro Clisante one during the day and one at night and I had a chance to asses the situation on the ground.
Chez Mon Real the restaurant at the corner of Dr Rosen and Pedro Clisante is pretty slow during the day but it picks up at night. It has become a hang out spot for the chicas waiting for clients. Rumbas is still closed and there is construction (almost an entire section of the street is rubble) on the sidewalk in front and on the south side of Pedro Clisante.
Bourbon Street the restaurant across the street from Rumbas is alive and well. I went to meet a friend for dinner and there were very few places to sit inside because all the tables were mostly taken by chicas. There literally were more chicas inside sitting than men eating. Generally speaking the chicas order something but it's usually a beverage and rarely a full meal.
Merengue has there crowd between 9 pm and when they have to close at midnight during the week and at 2 am on the weekends. Chics walk between Bourbon Street and Merengue in a rotation looking for clients. Classicos now is only open on the weekend.
Basically with Rumbas closed significant numbers of chics have moved to Chez Mon Real and Bourbon Street. Later on in the night they move to Merengue and Classicos on the weekends. Pedro Clisante was closing at 6 pm but now it is open throughout the night. CESTUR (POLITUR) and Polica Nacional are still rounding up chics, I've heard they are hitting them between 500-1500 pesos. Chics are running up and down Pedro Clisante and sometimes traveling in groups holding hands.........Thanks for an on topic report that answers the real questions we have, like where are the chicas?
I am looking forward to catching a couple of these poor fugitives holding hands, and taking them back for a warm shower and a cool bed!
Soon!
Camaro1257
07-22-16, 13:44
Thanks for an on topic report that answers the real questions we have, like where are the chicas?
I am looking forward to catching a couple of these poor fugitives holding hands, and taking them back for a warm shower and a cool bed!
Soon!I did think it was comical how they would leave Bourbon Street in 3's holding hands like that was going to somehow save them from CESTUR-POLITUR, they are very interesting to watch. I enjoyed the show.
They can't be that hungry if the are doubling the price. They aren't doing us any favors by selling ass for $1000 to 2000 for st. If the chicas union had their way the starting price would be $100. But it doesn't work like that for them. It doesn't work like that for us. How long do you think it will take chica to convince us to start paying $100 because they are starving. Guys that have been coming here for years. Costa Rica is dead to me because of their prices. It's a shorter trip. I'm still dealing with Latina women. But the standard price is ridiculous. Sosua is what it is because of price and location. If a half starving chica can convince me that I need to pay her $100 more than she needs 1500 peso for a quick nut she is the bomb. I definitely can understand a chica trying go on prices to compensate on lost wages but really. We have to charge you more because of government is f* with us. However when things get better we'll start selling out ass cheaper again. We really don't have a choice but we are hungry and willing be do anything for our children. Like charging for more money. I bet the chicas in Puerto Plata loving the Shakedowns. With the irritations in sosua now tourists will go there spread their money. I'm sure a lot of places are already reaping the benefits. In Nagua you can pay as low as 500 pesos. That's just an hour and a half from sosua. I love sports f* I go to sosua because it has an American twist to cater to tourists. However if that went dead you can always SF in the capital. There are enough Street walkers for you to find your flavor.IMO, I think the problem with hearing chicas quoting high prices it's because of one main reason. Too many guys are ASKING, instead of TELLING these chicas what they are willing to pay. And fail to demonstrate a willingness to keep it moving if the price aint right. I see / hear it all the the time. Guy stops a chica, makes small talk and then ASKS her "how much baby? If a dude asks a chica her price, of course she is going to start high. Some guys have no problem negotiating, while others will be turned off and send her on her way.
Chicas are probably thinking if a guy asks her for a price, he don't know any better. So out comes some ridiculous price. At that point, it's up to the guy to take it or leave it. I'm pretty sure up in Classicos, if a chica tells a dude her price enough guys don't even flinch. They accept, and escort the chica back to their spot. Thats why I strongly suggest that guys stop asking chicas how much, and instead tell the chica how much he will pay. I realize some guys are afraid or concerned about offending a chica. And think asking her is being considerate towards her. It aint. In this environment it mostly makes you look less in control of the situation. And these women acknowledge (not necessarily respect) assertiveness with men they are dealing with.
BTW this also applies to other transactions. Very often you can save money by informing someone what you'll pay rather than asking how much they want. For instance, some of the local restaurants have food on display. If you order food, they will pack it for you and give you a price. Lets say, 300 pesos because you are a gringo. But SOMETIMES you can get the same quantity by telling them that you have 150/200 for food, You just might get the same amount of food, for less. It's not guaranteed, it's a suggestion. But there is definitely a strategy to dealing with locals always trying to size you up and treat you accordingly. Just got to be prepared to walk away sometimes.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 15:58
It's called consistency, something you can't grasp.
Here's you:
*''*I will return to Sosua because I have a chick in Puerto Plata that I have been seeing for 9 years. Would I plan a trip with the express purpose of going to Sosua is a better question. The answer is No. Actually I have not planned a trip to Sosua for years anyway. I just usually fall through Sosua anywhere from a couple of hours to 2 days max while I am up that way - Mr E***.
So, you're DONE with Sosua, right? Same chick for 9 years too??? :)
Here's you again:
****They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now why'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified. - MR E****.
So as far as you are concerned, it's lights out in Sosua! You couldn't be more wrong pal.
So my question to you is, WTF are you doing on here anyway? Why do you want to chase Sosua visitors away with your inconsistent shit?
I stopped trying to follow your inconsistent, but circle jerk approved positions on everything from paying propina to chica to have her leave, to paying hoes, or not paying hoes, to the weird shit above about YOU fucking the same chica for 9 years, and complaining to me about the same thing :)
That took the cake, even by your fucking standards.
As for my own 1000 reports, I have discussed every aspect of the DR, the whole Island, not just getting laid, probably a lot more than most.Yes I have been fucking the same chick for 9 years, but I have made reports on countless other P4 P and non-P4 P chicks that I also fuck. I think that is the difference you are missing. I do not come on here and the only thing I have to report to ISG is well I went back and fucked the same chick again. Yep, I flirted with some bartenders, then they sent my girl messages that I was in town. So Nope. Didn't fuck anybody else. Don't even know how much other chicks are even charging. I am happy with just her and handing my wallet and its contents over to her for my entire trip as soon as I get ratted out or she meets me at the airport with a cold beer.
Also there is a difference between planning a trip somewhere and falling through somewhere. There is the mall that I grew up going to close to my mom's house. It is a shell of its former self. I would never leave my house with the express purpose of going there, but while I am in the neighborhood (over at my mom's house) I may fall through there.
Not worth shopping there anymore. Have plenty of memories there and may even get a bite to eat for old time sake while I am there. But I would not advise a friend or a relative that they must leave their home across town one afternoon and go check this mall out. I would advise them to go to better malls in other areas such as Rio and Bangkok, that other posters have pointed out are in a way better league than the mall called Sosua. However, if you happen to be in the area then sure, swing by Sosua mall and check it out. But if Sosua mall is all you know, and you are content with doing your shopping there, then as they say, ignorance is bliss.
This is ISG. If you are only discussing things other than getting laid, there is a DR1 and a tripadvisor for that.
Mr Enternational
07-22-16, 16:35
IMO, I think the problem with hearing chicas quoting high prices it's because of one main reason. Too many guys are ASKING, instead of TELLING these chicas what they are willing to pay. And fail to demonstrate a willingness to keep it moving if the price aint right. I see / hear it all the the time. Guy stops a chica, makes small talk and then ASKS her "how much baby? If a dude asks a chica her price, of course she is going to start high. Some guys have no problem negotiating, while others will be turned off and send her on her way.I agree with that. I posted an example in the Pattaya thread last week of a chick even telling me exactly what you just said. I asked her how much she wanted, so she told me how much she wanted, not how much she was willing to go for.
This is a prime example of what I have always preached. I met this chick some time ago, but never fucked her. She started out wanting 2000-3000 but easily went down to 1000 for all night. Easy as pie. None of that breaking the mood shit that people say. Hell, my mood gets even better when I can strike a deal like that..
Yes I have been fucking the same chick for 9 years, but I have made reports on countless other P4 P and non-P4 P chicks that I also fuck. I think that is the difference you are missing. I do not come on here and the only thing I have to report to ISG is well I went back and fucked the same chick again. Yep, I flirted with some bartenders, then they sent my girl messages that I was in town. So Nope. Didn't fuck anybody else. Don't even know how much other chicks are even charging. I am happy with just her and handing my wallet and its contents over to her for my entire trip as soon as I get ratted out or she meets me at the airport with a cold beer.
Also there is a difference between planning a trip somewhere and falling through somewhere. There is the mall that I grew up going to close to my mom's house. It is a shell of its former self. I would never leave my house with the express purpose of going there, but while I am in the neighborhood (over at my mom's house) I may fall through there.
Not worth shopping there anymore. Have plenty of memories there and may even get a bite to eat for old time sake while I am there. But I would not advise a friend or a relative that they must leave their home across town one afternoon and go check this mall out. I would advise them to go to better malls in other areas such as Rio and Bangkok, that other posters have pointed out are in a way better league than the mall called Sosua. However, if you happen to be in the area then sure, swing by Sosua mall and check it out. But if Sosua mall is all you know, and you are content with doing your shopping there, then as they say, ignorance is bliss.
This is ISG. If you are only discussing things other than getting laid, there is a DR1 and a tripadvisor for that.I don't write for you, nor do I need your approval.
If you want to be a moderator, get your own fucking blog!
I write about Sosua and my excellent adventures there, to encourage others to also have a good time there. The feedback I receive tells me it works!
(I do fuck other chicas when I'm there, most of the time, but as I say, fucking street hookers gets boring for me after a couple days, Enter Princessa!
I don't give a shit about your mother and her mall.
My mother told me to stay away from places I didn't like.
And support the places, like Sosua, which has been so good to me over the years.
You vote with your feet, and your dinero.
I am anonymous, so I can say what I really think.
The problem with you, is that you are not, and hang personally with a group here, so you have to make sure your bullshit with me, fits in with the bullshit you've told them over the years.
That's why you're dancing and excusing all the time why you HAVE to be in Sosua, or even some MF mall, nobody gives a shit about.
I don't excuses, or need to change a thing. I have a helluva time there.
Love it or leave it!
Tempoecorto
07-22-16, 16:58
IMO, I think the problem with hearing chicas quoting high prices it's because of one main reason. Too many guys are ASKING, instead of TELLING these chicas what they are willing to pay. Kudos! Now here is a solid piece of insight: Tell and not ask. Sosua primarily catering to those from East Coast US, have many people who know little outside of their home towns, that want an ironclad contract before taking a woman back to bed. Go figure!
I also thought your comment on the non-resident guys lamenting on "sky is falling" very much on the point as is manifest on this forum. Useless chatter!
Personally, I am very pleased with the DR (not only Sosua but I do love its multicultural cuisine). Who wants to fly for 24 hours, nah. Been there done that. Long live the DR, warts (that are continuously being discussed, ad nausea) and all!
Ipanema Carioca
07-22-16, 17:11
IMO, I think the problem with hearing chicas quoting high prices it's because of one main reason. Too many guys are ASKING, instead of TELLING these chicas what they are willing to pay. And fail to demonstrate a willingness to keep it moving if the price aint right. I see / hear it all the the time. Guy stops a chica, makes small talk and then ASKS her "how much baby? If a dude asks a chica her price, of course she is going to start high. Some guys have no problem negotiating, while others will be turned off and send her on her way.I agree. Too many fellas have no negotiation skills and the girls know this. For example, you ask a chica "how much"? Many are smart enough to get you to quote first so she can counter.
Ipanema Carioca
07-22-16, 17:44
It's entertaining watching how this p4 p game is orchestrated. By everyone involved.I agree. Many people I know visiting and expats are suckered into the emotional trap.
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