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Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?
He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation.
In typical fashion, people trying to hustle us, they have the audacity to get pissed if you try to help someone or you protect yourself from their bullshit. But were supposed to always be on the up and up? I don't care if it is about their survival, my allegiance is geared more to supporting decent fellow mongers than those out there trying to manipulate or exploit us.
During our talk, the gentleman was trying to protest about the driver should have had change. I told him yeah, but you are in the DR now. You have to protect your own interests, regardless of how you believe things should be. Afterwards he thanked me for the information and went about his day.
Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?
He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation..Thanks for the report WRX, I like hearing reports from the guys living there. Maybe next time you could not omit what that fare would normally be and what the outcome with the fare disagreement was.
Thanks.
BTW all 3 of us at the table with that chica ( before the guy came back ) thought what she did was fucked up, trying diss her date and go off with one of us. So as far as her being pissed, neither of us could give a fuck. She got what she deserved. We respected the guy, by not initiating pushing up on his date while he was away. Thats how non cape wearing mongers support each other.You were in Sosua, you all knew she was not a "date", she was a working girl out on the town at night looking for men to have sex for pay. In your previous post you said you "almost felt sorry for the lady" until you remembered how many times you personally had been stood up by chicas. Now you are saying that none of you gave a fuck how she felt, because you were all disgusted at the way she hit on you all as soon as Dick ran off to get some extra pocket money from his mama, when as far as you were concerned she was promised to Dick. You do not make it clear if any of you were attracted to her or not. If you weren't, then leaving her for Dick was no sacrifice on your part. So Dick comes back with the money, and all of a sudden poor Dick is "too tired" or maybe he has a headache. Whatever!
It is not clear how long the chica was distracted by this episode, but obviously she saw it as a waste of her time, and it would have been disappointing for her to think she had a sale and then to find that she didn't have one, some time after midnight when some potential customers would already have gone home or selected other partners, and that she might not have the two or three thousand pesos to pay her bills tomorrow unless she gets lucky and finds someone else.
OK, she will survive, and worse things have happened to her and perhaps she could have been more gracious, and perhaps she should not have hit on Dick's friends, (but that wasn't the reason he wimped out) but have you ever been in the position where you drive more than half an hour to see a client, spend another 3/4 hour explaining the service that the client has requested, and then the client decides they don't want it after all. You have worked a quarter of a day for no pay and used your own gasoline, and you have nothing to show for it. So do you turn to your Buddhist faith, and just accept this is karma for something bad you did before, or do you say to yourself "fuck this idiot!
I don't know how many times I have had to explain to people on this board that in Sosua you are not dealing with board certified professionals licensed by Medicare and carrying liability insurance, you are just dealing with (mostly) simple, uneducated girls (many of them single mothers) trying to earn a bit of money to pay for basic living costs by having sex with visitors. Yes, some of them are con women, cokeheads, thieves, etc. , but a surprising number are very nice and are excellent sex partners.
I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough!
Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough!For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.
That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
For a lot of us, it's time to move on!
For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. The jaded veterans just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.
That's why the board has become a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
For a lot of us, it's time to move on!Agreed, I've moved on and am fortunate enough to go all over the world while others seem to be stuck in the same place. There's nothing wrong with "factual reports" about changes happening in Sosua, however the reports that sound like 'days of our lives" or another "soap opera" are old, very old. Too much babble instead of helpful reports.
For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.
That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
For a lot of us, it's time to move on!Hey Oakie,
Missed you brother. The board reflects the decline currently going on in Sosua IMO. Most of us have the great memories of our old Sosua so naturally we will talk about it. Very few good impressions of this Sosua. We have always had posters who take two pages to say two sentences, we have always had arguments, we have always had guys who blame the women and we have always had guy's who appreciate the women. Photos are non -existent anymore, trip reports have been fading. You are correct that it's time to move on but we all still have a place for Sosua in our hearts. I haven't been to Sosua in 8 months when I used to go every month. I have no desire to go in it's current state and I have other spots, but I'm still waiting on a Sosua comeback. Don't take this chit chat on the board to have any real meaning because I don't.
Went to pick up J at his hotel yesterday about 1 pm. I see an older guy get dropped off by a motoconcho. He tried to pay for his ride with a 500 peso bill. Of course the moto driver says he doesn't have change. The guy now has a dilemma. The moment I saw that transaction I figured that guy did not know what would have been best in that situation. He came inside the courtyard, and approached me 1st for change. I told him I didn't have it. But out of curiosity, I asked him how much was the fare and from where to where?
He said it was 100 pesos, one way fare from Bourbon Street restaurant to the hotel. He also said it looked like the guy was going all over the place just to get to the hotel. So I tried to explain to the guy what the driver was trying to do to justify getting a 100 pesos. I told him the typical day time prices for a trip like that. I advised him that it's always a good idea to ask the price up front anyway before accepting a ride from anyone. And its best to have small bills and coins for tipping, moto use, and anything else it may be needed. The moto driver saw him talking to me, and was breaking his neck to try to over hear the conversation.
In typical fashion, people trying to hustle us, they have the audacity to get pissed if you try to help someone or you protect yourself from their bullshit. But were supposed to always be on the up and up? I don't care if it is about their survival, my allegiance is geared more to supporting decent fellow mongers than those out there trying to manipulate or exploit us.
During our talk, the gentleman was trying to protest about the driver should have had change. I told him yeah, but you are in the DR now. You have to protect your own interests, regardless of how you believe things should be. Afterwards he thanked me for the information and went about his day.No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.
It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.
Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying.
Sosua has one-way traffic systems, so sometimes motos may use routes that don't look like the most direct route to get around the streets that are blocked off, for example you can only enter Dr. Rosen, where several hotels are located, from one end of the street, so you might have to go an extra turn around the block to get to the hotel. People who are on their first visit to town might be confused by this. Anyway $100 pesos is probably too much for a fare from Bourbon St. To any of the hotels in Sosua, and even late at night that would be the maximum, assuming there is only one passenger. If there is a second passenger, expect to pay double.
This is information that is highly useful to newbies and ought to be printed on cards and given to passengers arriving at the airport.
Mr Enternational
11-02-16, 17:38
For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.What about the newbie reports for the past year that have not been exciting or optimistic? How have those been met?
For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.
That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
For a lot of us, it's time to move on!I love to see reports from new voices, but unfortunately there are not that many of them, and even when they do come not every one has the writing and reportorial skills to organize their reports so as to impart useful information and bring their reports to life. Also they are clearly often influenced by what has gone before rather than bringing a fresh set of eyes. Meanwhile there are large numbers of lurkers who like to have something to read, so inevitably there will be some different points of views, which is good. There is nothing to stop newbs from posting, but they are more likely to post to a board that looks active, where people will read their reports and comment on them, than posting to a board where the last post was written 3 months ago.
When I wrote my newbie report back in 19?? Or was it 18? I had experienced the most amazing trip of my life, and since there was no one in my everyday life to whom I could even mention the trip, writing online (the Internet was a fairly new thing) was the only release valve for working out the emotions brought out by the trip and sharing them with other people. So what I am saying is that first trip was so overpowering an experience that I was forced to write about it to work through the emotions.
Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.
I mean, I'm just sayin'.
Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.
I mean, I'm just sayin'.All of what you stated may be true however you cannot give decent quality pussy in Spain for $25 a nut like in the D. R.
For the past year, Reports on the ground, especially from newbies, have been met with indifference, criticism, shaming. These jaded mongers just don't want new and optimistic reports of an exciting and ever changing Sosua. It conflicts with their limited worldview.
That's why this forum thread has become just a sounding board for the usual suspects, with the usual old arguments.
Completely agree.
Yes a boots on the ground report would be great. There is no apparent mechanism to stop the charade of babble. I like to report on what I see and experience but keep it short and concise. Enough is enough!Again, completely agree. I saw your recent report; thanks.
Tomjackin is there? That dirty dog, no wonder all my Sosua girls stopped calling last week.Nah, I've been exploring other countries and cities. Have not been to Sosua since last March. I will hit up the DR in January, but not Sosua.
I have had it up to here with Dr. Freud's analysis paralysis. Do intervene to stop the BS and give you some "boots on the ground" report. LOL.I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.
Eszpresszo
11-02-16, 21:30
Instead of going to bug-infested third word shit hole, you could go to Spain. A case of beer is $7 US at the grocery store, the metro or bus costs 80 euro cents, the taxis have meters and take credit cards so no risking your life on a motoconcho, you can drink the tap water, and a fully equipped apartment can be had for $45 US a night or even less, depending on length of stay. $50-$80 US gets you laid, and there are hookers from all over the world. You don't have to hoard small bills, and there are other things to do during the day besides fry on the beach. Although, if the beaches are your thing, Spain certainly has an abundance of them.
I mean, I'm just sayin'.Interesting suggestion, and I am the first one to tell mongers that they need to try different things. Personally, I have decided to go someplace different each mongering trip, instead of making one destination and habit which leads to disappointment.
However, I did look into Malaga earlier this year, specifically because I understood that there was a good variety of girls (African, Arab, East European and as well locals) and Costa del Sol is supposed to have a lot of attractions (I'm a history buff) and lots to do. First thing that I noticed was that airfare was prohibitive from where I live in the central US (whereas I get competitive airfares to Asia, including BKK). Secondly, I understand that most everything else is more expensive than the 3rd world destinations (though I agree that cheap beer is a serious draw!) Isn't the night line, dining and cab fare significantly more expensive, as well? If you are not on a budget and have more time (Sousa is a quick, inexpensive flight for some people in the US, though not everyone), Spain sounds like a good option. So, what are the other cons or cons versus the DR? I understand English is widely spoken in some resort areas of Spain. Hey, I'm all ears.
Tempoecorto
11-02-16, 22:49
I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.Thanks for that quick note, Tom Jackin, even though mine was a rhetorical SOS, needing your intervention.
Some people are closet misogynists and write long winding prose to couch it. I like Gogo's style: Treat the pro as a pro and should you not like what she offers, move on. Perhaps Mr. Enternational is the greatest lover he claims to be, for I have never read of a single "miss" he has had and to me that sounds fiction, as I do not go anywhere near a casa. I do think that sex with a person with some chemistry is a hundred times better like Old Kool suggests and it is feasible in the DR. No point calling them be. Hes for we are all johns and no purer. As Frannie said, these are no first world putas so why * continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?
continuously about the putas; go back to good old US, where everything is hunky dory, or Spain?Spain?
I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.
The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.
Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day!
Completely agree.
Again, completely agree. I saw your recent report; thanks.
Nah, I've been exploring other countries and cities. Have not been to Sosua since last March. I will hit up the DR in January, but not Sosua.
I have read some new reports, which I enjoyed. The problem is, the "Boots on the ground" reports are quickly buried by all the silly arguments.Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.
Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)
Thanks xxxxxx. !
Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.
I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.
The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.
He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.
Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.
Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!
I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!
Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.
Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.
Funny thing is, there's a lot of PM traffic out there discussing these things, and I get encouraged to post reports.
Here's a typical reply (today) to a PM from another poster, which is basically a report, so I think why not post it here, where it belongs? (Mod can verify)
Thanks xxxxxx. !
Funny thing is, I'm still doing it.
I was there in October, and I'm back for more in December.
The (married) buddy I introduced to Sosua is like a kid in a candy store down there, and he can't get enough of the action. He's picked up family down there like I did, but he loves the fresh stuff too.
He loves the chicas that we bring in from out of town, and the days in between checking out Classico. He enjoys my connections with the locals that keep trying to hook him up with more.
Princessa retired to regular life with family and doesn't like Sosua anymore, and will only come to meet me if I send her the $200 cab fare from San Jean de Maguena, so sometimes I don't tell her I'm visiting. She has her "spies", though and the last two times she has just shown up with her suitcase! Our relationship is like family so she knows I only act pissed when she shows up. The hug I give her and the big smile on my face tells her I'm happy she's there. My buddy really likes having her around too with all his new chicas, she is like a mother hen, making sure everybody is ok without getting in the way.
Sometimes we have their mamas around too. (weird family DR shit, somewhere between a proud mama, a chaperone and share the wealth!) It all runs surprisingly smooth though, and everybody goes home happy!
I'm very lucky, buddy can afford to pick up all my expenses when we travel together, but I have as much fun down there, when I am paying the shot!
Thanks again xxxxxx, you sound like a great guy.
Hell this is a report, I think I'll leave your name off and post it.Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.
Brilliant trip report, made me feel like I was there. Keep 'them coming.You too! :)
Spain?
I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.
The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.
Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day!Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.
My last post;.
There you go playing word games trying to pivot around the true and only topic that should've been discussed, which is your boy made a fuck move. Not what this girl did, not what she had coming, not doing what other girls did to us. She should've got a pass and not your boy.1st off, there is no monger or working girl rules that anyone is required to follow. All we have is our own opinion of what's right or wrong. And technically there is no right or wrong. Its just decisions, POV, and outcome. Anybody can claim one way is right, and another is wrong, at the end of the day it don't make a bit of difference. Whats done is done. You think the guy is fucked up. So what? I'm sure he aint going to lose any sleep over that. Nobody has clean hands here. Most people have done some things somebody else thought was fucked up. If people were called out for every fucked up thing, we'd all have to be held accountable. Thats why I don't get the self righteous fingerpointing.
WRX said " I don't have a dog in this race "but you found all kind of fault in the female but gave Bobby a pass.I gave him a pass because I felt he was entitled to change his mind. As for the female? She was no longer his date, or connected to him, the minute she decided to try to go off with another man. What exactly is your beef with his decision? He changed his mind, so what? There was no business contract? No binding clauses. That man is free to change his mind just like she freely changed hers to get with another man. Now tell me what did he owe this woman for not giving her his business? And please don't use the claim that that man is fucking things up for the rest of us. Unless somebody can come up with substantive facts, that is just an assumption. Personally, I think it's a good thing that these hoes realize that they don't have all of the power in this game, and that they know where their bread and butter comes from. What good is having power in the p4 p game, if a monger is obligated to put his needs above hoes?
WRX said " Moreover, lets not over exaggerate here. The guy didn't tell the woman to scram. He told her that he was tired, and can we do this another night. " So he invites her, tells her he needs to go get money and comes back and says he is tired and can we do this another night and somehow you don't think he is not telling her to leave?He was in essence telling her to leave, of course. But he didn't say it in any disrespectful or fucked up manner the way you wrote it. The way he said it was apologetic, and even though she was pissed / disappointed, she left peacefully. So I wanted to get that part straight. Besides, she is a hoe. If he saw her again, and said lets go. What do you think she is going to do, telll him to scram? I think we both know better.
No hoes anger or disappointment is gonna manipulate me from looking out for my own interests. They'll get over it.
With the Haitian chic it was good Karma because it was meant to be. Some things positive happen even when surrounded by negative events. I was buying the Haitian drinks as I decided how to play the night when you called. You came to the bar at Europa and me and the girl we're still drinking. I went to change my clothes so me and the Haitian could hit the strip (with me paying) but you made the friend play with the Haitian. Once the friend arrived you didn't like her so we were now in an awkward spot. To save face I lied and said I had an emergency and gave the girls 500 to go back home or whatever. We had made plans to go get some other girls. Luckily she found me at the bar across from Baileys and I explained everything. It was a great night, you were there in the morning when we went to the metro. That's totally different from the " fuck move" your buddy did. Stay on topic and let's discuss why your buddy did that? What was his perspective, and any other matrix regarding him you choose to discuss. But I'm not getting on that blame the female run you like to lead people on.Bro, I'm not talking about how the night eventually finished. I'm talking about what amounts to you having a double standard.
You told me way before the Haitian girl even arrived that you wasnt sure about being with her. That you wanted to stay loose. You had already invited her to come and you were unsure, just like you claimed this guy was. So that's one thing you both had in common. The Haitian chicas friend does not factor into this, because that has nothing to do with you being able to connect with the lady you invited. And like I said, you wasnt aborting for me, you were aborting for you. When the Haitian chica was out of earshot you conveyed to me of how you were going to ditch her, and I agreed to meet you at another bar.
If my memory serves me right, you walked in the direction of the ATM's and caught a moto down the street instead of Europa. Apparently she must have caught her own moto, and busted you at the bar I was supposed to meet you at. I get there, and you both are sitting there. And now the same chica you are not interested in being with you invited inside this bar, and buying her a drink again. The same criteria you alluded to being fucked up. Why keep buying drinks for a woman you are not interested in being with? The icing on the cake, is you put everything on me, and claimed you didn't want to hurt her feelings. Which means you avoided taking responsibility for your own behavior. When that chick found you at the 2nd bar, that 500 pesos was nothing more than a guilt payoff. But she probably was too jaded to pay attention to how she got dumped. There is no way I was responsible for any of the decisions you made. Not me, nor the Haitians chicas friend has anything to do with your decision . You wanted to be free, and did all of the aforementioned particulars to accomplish that.
Now the reason why I felt that you shouldn't be finger pointing, because what you did amounted to all the things you claim to despise, and how you wouldnt be around a guy like that. Walking down the street and sneakily catching a moto? You dont see a problem with that? At least the guy I talked about, came back and gave an excuse more believable.
Mr GoGo say Then when women get tired of bullshit like this and want cash up front and acts hardcore we then say she is the devil. Don't invite a girl to sit if you aren't interested, don't buy them a drink if you aren't interested, it's a simple code. It's not a commitment to fuck. Sure you can change your mind, but be a man about your shit and don't play kid games in an adult environment. It's a fuck move. Fuck what she did because that didn't figure into what he did. See rude MF like that I wouldn't be around too much. He knew he was unsure from the beginningWhen you lied to the chica about your reason for changing plans, walked off to catch a moto without being seen by the chica, confusing the chica by buying drinks with no intention of getting with her that night, then later using me as scapegoat, and you think that qualifies as being a man about your shit, and not playing games? What games you played with that chica IMO was far worse than what that guy did. You paying her off or buying her drinks, does not change that fact.
I was happy that the both of you finally got together. If you recall, I told you way back at Europa that you should get with her, that I thought she was cute. Wasnt it you that was adamant about not wanting to follow through?. It wasnt any other reason. Now as far as the guy is concerned or that woman, like you, both of them might have had a positive outcome from not following through with each other. I could be dead wrong about the Karma thing. It worked out for you. It could happen for either of them as well. At the end of the day, I still maintain a monger has the right to change his mind, and does not necessarily owe a hoe something just because he changes his mind. If he chooses to compensate a woman, that is on him. In spite of that raggedy situation, I still supported your right to change your mind. Sometimes lies need to be told, to get what we want. But I'm not going to judge another monger for doing what he needs to do to free himself. You feel different. But you demonstrated by your own example that you are no different. We all do some form of dirt.
When I 1st read your statement, the 1st thing that popped in my head was that you have a double standard. One for yourself, and another where you see fit. Thats why I do not see you and that guy as being any different. Especially if we apply the particulars in your statement.
Do you recall the day in Boca Chica, where some chica was eye balling you on the beach? She eventually came up to you, sat down and tried to make conversation. After a few minutes, she asked you to buy her a cerveza, and you refused. Later that night the same thing happened to me. One of the bar girls invited herself over, sat down and tried to engage me. She asked me to buy her a cerveza. You were standing at the time, you looked at me and said it's okay to pay for a drink, and be sociable. I was like, huh? Since when did I need someones approval or input on what I can do when a chica asks me to buy drinks? When the chica on the beach asked for a drink you flat out told her no, but now you have a different standard for me if someone asks me to buy them drinks? You know that's what them bargirls do to guys on the regular. You are supposed to be looking out for me, not advocating for me to play into their hands.
Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.Lots of Germans like Sosua, too.
But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play, I'm not sure some of them could handle the sophisticated hookers they have in Europe.
Spain?
I was in Barcelona and Madrid in June; the prices for P4 P are off the hook; as in expensive.
The food is great, but all the working girls seemed to be from the DR, Colombia, and other countries.
Bottom line: Fuck Spain! I will take Mexico, Central America, the DR, and South America over Spain any-fucking-day!Don't know what venues you frequented but there are ads all over the place for the prices I stated, although perhaps not in the two most expensive cities in Spain. Regarding air fare, I looked on kayak last night and saw $340 round trip from NYC to Madrid and $370 to Barcelona. It's true you won't find many Spanish prostitutes in Spain, other than 'las putas de la ruta' who exist mostly for truckers and are mostly not fuckable even by my low standards. Taxis are not expensive in Spain, although they may be more expensive than a motoconcho in the DR. Taxis are also unnecessary in Spain 95% of the time.
Re dining out: it is significantly LESS expensive than in many places, especially since the sales tax is built into the price and Spaniards do not tip. Is 10 euro for a four course lunch too much? And that is a net price. I mostly cook for myself and food is cheaper in the supermarket than in the US and of better quality. Regarding English being widely spoken in resort areas, I don't know because I speak Spanish, but the resort areas are not where you want to go to monger. Go to ordinary Spanish cities like Zaragosa, Valencia, Cuenca, etc.
Anyone with specific questions about Spain can PM me, as I don't want to de-rail the thread.
Some updates:
Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.
Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.
Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.
All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.
1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.
The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.
Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.
Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who.
Pickpockets avoid them you've been Warned exchange rate is 46 to one.
I had one my Regular on the way from PP so I was just Windowshopping.
2000 to 3000 pesos is still the going rate for all night with some bargaining.
It is still some women asking for "100 US and getting it.
I will be on the strip tonight keeping you guys informed hopefully some part-time.
Out of Town Chicas come through.
Some updates:
Classico had about 10 guys and 100 women in and out.
Basically nobody dancing on the dance floor but one of two girls.
Downstairs was jampacked Below classico and you save 200 pesos because it's free.
All hard-core girls in the club and across the street the same.
1 am everything shut down went to after one still closed, but Casino was opened.
The Casino only has a couple of leftovers hard-core girls and.
Girls who like to get high if you know what I mean. Rumbas is still closed.
Alerts there's a bunch of girls on the corner near the casino who..Now THAT'S a useful report.
Thanks!
No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.
It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.
Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying.
Sosua has one-way traffic systems, so sometimes motos may use routes that don't look like the most direct route to get around the streets that are blocked off, for example you can only enter Dr. Rosen, where several hotels are located, from one end of the street, so you might have to go an extra turn around the block to get to the hotel. People who are on their first visit to town might be confused by this. Anyway $100 pesos is probably too much for a fare from Bourbon St. To any of the hotels in Sosua, and even late at night that would be the maximum, assuming there is only one passenger. If there is a second passenger, expect to pay double.
This is information that is highly useful to newbies and ought to be printed on cards and given to passengers arriving at the airport.No Frannie. I don't recommend anybody getting on any moto, until AFTER they get the particulars mutually understood. Once that's established, then you can get on. You get on a moto 1st and start talking, you'll be down the fucking street.
I also recommend getting them to repeat the price and the destination. Frannies advice about not asking the fare because you are asking to be suckered into overpaying, is ridiculous. The main reason for asking what the fare is, is so you won't be suckered into overpaying. Just because you ask a price doesn't mean you have to pay what's quoted. A person has options. No that's too high, this is what I will pay or wait for them to make a counter offer you can agree to. I won't even bother to ask how you came up with that "asking to be suckered" shit. I already know.
There are other situations where telling people what you are willing to pay may have it's disadvantages. You approach someone and tell them what you will pay for an item or a service, thinking you are being smart, not realizing the other individual may have had a lower price than what you had in mind. So now you are paying extra for your ignorance.
If you pay attention to enough locals and how they do business it works just like that. Locals in general are known for bargaining. Sellers tend to avoid giving prices when they can. Instead many rather you tell them what you are willing to pay. So they can possible come out on top of the transaction. For certain situations it's probably wiser not to show your hand so quickly asserting how much your willing to pay. Of course it depends on what you are paying for.
Example. You hail a cab in Santiago airport, and tell him you are going to Sosua. Since taxi prices can vary from one to the next, you don't have anything to lose by asking the fare up front, and negotiating from there. You don't go " I got $100 take me to Sosua" Just because you heard some guys have paid that or more. I know of instances where guys have told people what they wanted to pay, the other party agreed, then later found out that they severely overpaid. That can apply to a lot of things or situations.
The last taxi I got from Santiago to Sosua, was 3000 pesos. Probably could have got a lower rate had I negotiated further or sought a better price from another taxi. He got my business because he had a van, and I had a lot of luggage this trip. Too cumbersome for relying on using Metro or Caribe Tours. I'd rather pay 3000 pesos to ride in a van comfortably, than save a few pesos more if my other option was a small compact.
Thanks for the report WRX, I like hearing reports from the guys living there. Maybe next time you could not omit what that fare would normally be and what the outcome with the fare disagreement was.
Thanks.Thanks. I think moto fares are a debatable subject. I suspect locals usually pay less than we do for the same ride. I believe vacationers and expats, tend to pay 50 pesos to most detsinations within Sosua during the day and early evening. Some motos insist on 100 pesos during late night. I'm reasonably sure, where one guy wants 100 pesos, there will be a moto nearby who will accept 50 for the same ride. Motoconchos are very competitive with each other.
I've had chicas come to my place various times at night from within Sosua, and still only paid 50 pesos for that ride. I've also had chicas dropped off at night, and the moto expectied to get paid 100 pesos Typically ill give a chica traveling within Sosua 50 pesos, and wait for her to come inside the gate. I'm not paying 100 pesos, Especially when that is not how much she would be charged and I am not the passenger. . Besides, a chica, like us should get the price up front before she gets on the moto. The fact that chicas don't look out for us, tells a story of how they treat us like ATM machines. In some instances, I'll tell a chica up front to pay for her own moto to get to my spot. Thats even better.
Other destinations outside of Sosua, that can vary. I usually pay 100 pesos for one of my chicas motos, from that town up in the hills from Sosua Abajo. Starts with an M. Marinetta?
Tempoecorto
11-03-16, 18:28
But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play,More than the "difficulties", it is the grand philosophizing that gets my goat. As you say, it is P4P in Sosua, and it is legal to boot, how complicated can that be? Too bad a budding Proust has chosen a Puta board, to try his real passion. LOL.
Tempoecorto
11-03-16, 18:32
Germany is the place to go, not Spain. Off-topic but worth mentioning for some of you guys looking for a valid alternative.I have no problem adding Germany as I am rather fond of the FKKs but you get the same mix, the usual culprits from Latin America and add to that the East Europeans and an occasional Russian and Italian that I have had, mostly past their prime.
Eszpresszo
11-03-16, 19:48
Lots of Germans like Sosua, too.
But given the complicated way some of our regulars go about getting laid, and the difficulties they report engaging in normal pay for play, I'm not sure some of them could handle the sophisticated hookers they have in Europe.I'm not sure what you mean in regards to European hookers being "sophisticated". In most places in Europe, there is not too much room for haggling, and there is no visible pattern of European prostitutes, trying to take advantage of tourists, (with certain notable exceptions of course, some options are targeted towards tourists). In the bordellos, there is typically a hard, fixed pricing for time and special services. In Germany, these places have websites and pricing online, so you can actually know how much money to take with you (and I have done just that, to avoid being "upsold" Independents aren't that much more flexible). On the German freelancer site, Kaufmich.com, you will typically see the girls indicate that prices are not negotiable, and sometimes a stern warning not to even try haggling. You can bargain a bit in the Laufhauses, but last time I was in one, pricing used to be relative to what floor the girl was on (higher floor, lower prices and apparently the rent for room is based on the level).
On the other hand, look at the arguments going on this thread regarding how much to pay a motococho. If cab fare is such a volatile issue, I can only imagine what it can be like for a freelancer haggling to let you invade her body. Not something you would think about in Europe, with its strict meters and typically expensive cab fare. I'm inclined to say Germany, at least, is a good starting point for the entry level monger.
Hey Oakie,
Missed you brother. The board reflects the decline currently going on in Sosua IMO. Most of us have the great memories of our old Sosua so naturally we will talk about it. Very few good impressions of this Sosua. We have always had posters who take two pages to say two sentences, we have always had arguments, we have always had guys who blame the women and we have always had guy's who appreciate the women. Photos are non -existent anymore, trip reports have been fading. You are correct that it's time to move on but we all still have a place for Sosua in our hearts. I haven't been to Sosua in 8 months when I used to go every month. I have no desire to go in it's current state and I have other spots, but I'm still waiting on a Sosua comeback. Don't take this chit chat on the board to have any real meaning because I don't.I meant move on from this board.
But every time I think I've had it, another brother like you Mr. GoGo, comes out with the common sense that got me here in the first place.
We all come to Sosua from different experiences back home, and our values are all over the place. A bargain for a chica to an ex pat who lives there, is not the same as a bargain to a rich guy that escapes a complicated marriage a couple times a year. One expects to pay no more than 1500 or so, but the business man don't have time to fuck around and bargain.
Why should he? He sees something that he wants and if he can get it for 4000 he can't believe his luck. He'll not risk losing her for the price of a hamburger, nor is he about to spend his vacation worrying about other mongers complaining about how much he is willing to pay. It's tough, but it's life, and I have been on both sides of it.
Some guys only get down there a couple times so they splurge, others have to ration their purchasing power. That's normal.
There are so many variables, that to each is own. More than one way to skin a cat.
But I think that dissing putas is for small minds and egomaniacs. We hang with them so we are just denigrating ourselves. I don't think being polite and respectful ever hurt a monger, but I guess it depends on who you like to hang with!
Get a bad session, pull yourself up and move on. It's not TV, it's the Third World.
Charles Pooter
11-03-16, 23:45
... that town up in the hills from Sosua Abajo. Starts with an M. Marinetta?Maranatha.
It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).
I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).
I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.
Odd how Yanks use the word "town". I remember as a 13-year-old watching the movie "Shane". Most of the action takes place on a remote ranch. They talk a lot about what is going on "in town". The action moves there for the climax and I was shocked to find that the "town" consisted of about eight small buildings.
No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change and tell them what size note you wish to change. Often the motocochos will be able to get change my hailing other moto drivers and swapping notes with them. The fare from El Batey to Charamicos should be 50 pesos, and 25 pesos from Pedro Clissante to a nearby hotel. Fares are usually double after dark.
It is a good idea to horde small change for such purposes, for example changing larger notes when you go to the supermarket or pharmacy, as they always seem to have change, and also get the smallest possible notes from ATMs. For example you might take out $1900 instead of $2000 pesos, and you will get two bills of $200 each or better still four bills of $100 each. You never get $50 peso notes from ATMs, but you can get them from exchange bureaus or banks, though even the exchange bureaus are stingy with them.
Anyway, bottom line is tell them how much you expect to pay upfront to avoid problems. Don't ask them how much the fare is, or you are just asking to be suckered into overpaying..I think somebody should tell these folks that hiring a ride is not a complicated process for most adults.
I can see why they have such disagreement on how to treat a hooker, or actually get laid in a brothel.
No, no, no. When you get on the motoconcho, you should tell them where you are going and how much you are going to pay, then if they have any beef with that it can be resolved before the journey is started. Also ask them if they have change.Is this really a conversation between two intelligent veterans?
Maranatha.
It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).
I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).
I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.
Well, it probably means, 'Come, O Lord' and the rest of the rubric is wishful thinking on the part of the faithful. The "atha" part comes from the same root as the word "theist". As you suggest, the settlement was founded by evangelical missionaries. The link below will tell you a bit more about the history of the place.
http://www.thesamaritanfoundationdr.com/villages/maranatha/
Tempoecorto
11-04-16, 02:55
Maranatha. There is a Brazilian evangelical church (fairly recent) in my town, called Maranatha Church. It was an odd name but did not think anything of it and the only connection I had made was with Amaranth. Speaking of my stupidity. Aramaic, wow! Wasn't there a Mel Gibson movie on Christ, where all spoke Aramaic?
Parkinsons
11-04-16, 03:54
Photos are non -existent anymore, Here you go brother. A small photo sampler.
1 - Sosua, 2 - Santiago, 3 - SD, 4 - GBP in SD, 5 - Sosua.
Had a marvelous time with each and every one of them last month. "Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" DR, I wish I knew how to quit you.
Mr Enternational
11-04-16, 03:59
For all the guys buying phones for chicks:
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh7C7PL01g283N7T4S
Here you go brother. A small photo sampler.
1 - Sosua, 2 - Santiago, 3 - SD, 4 - GBP in SD, 5 - Sosua.
Had a marvelous time with each and every one of them last month. "Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" DR, I wish I knew how to quit you.Back at you Parkinson's with Boca chica and San Pedro.
There is a Brazilian evangelical church (fairly recent) in my town, called Maranatha Church. It was an odd name but did not think anything of it and the only connection I had made was with Amaranth. Speaking of my stupidity. Aramaic, wow! Wasn't there a Mel Gibson movie on Christ, where all spoke Aramaic?'Maran atha' in Syrian Aramaic means 'you lord' (lord in the meaning of 'influential rabbi). That's it.
You were in Sosua, you all knew she was not a "date", she was a working girl out on the town at night looking for men to have sex for pay. In your previous post you said you "almost felt sorry for the lady" until you remembered how many times you personally had been stood up by chicas. Now you are saying that none of you gave a fuck how she felt, because you were all disgusted at the way she hit on you all as soon as Dick ran off to get some extra pocket money from his mama, when as far as you were concerned she was promised to Dick. You do not make it clear if any of you were attracted to her or not. If you weren't, then leaving her for Dick was no sacrifice on your part. So Dick comes back with the money, and all of a sudden poor Dick is "too tired" or maybe he has a headache. Whatever!
It is not clear how long the chica was distracted by this episode, but obviously she saw it as a waste of her time, and it would have been disappointing for her to think she had a sale and then to find that she didn't have one, some time after midnight when some potential customers would already have gone home or selected other partners, and that she might not have the two or three thousand pesos to pay her bills tomorrow unless she gets lucky and finds someone else.FYI, Sherlock. I happened to bump into the guy yesterday in front of Sosua Suites. I had a question I wanted to ask him since the recent posts emerged over his behavior.
I asked him, how did that chica end up coming with him into the restaurant? He said when us 3 left Merengue Bar, he stayed behind a few minutes to talk to someone, and then left. On the sidewalk in front of Merengue Bar, that chica started talking to him, and started walking along side of him, campaigning hard trying to get business. "Sound" familiar? It aint but a few steps from Merengue to the German restaurant. She followed him into the restaurant. And pulled up a stool next to him. So, she wasnt his date like we all thought. He did not invite her into the restaurant, and he never told her he wanted to be with her, nor did he say come with me. Her deciding to come into the restaurant uninvited was ALL on her.
Knowing this, a few things make sense. One, he never bought her any drinks, he never ordered any food. So there was never any expectation that he was buying her food. Her behavior? Since he did not invite her, she invited herself into the restaurant, her talking to us and trying to secure a customer makes much more sense than her blatantly going after one of us, when we all assumed she was with him. His departure to secure more money, was just him needing to get money. He wasnt responsible for her, and he wasnt leaving her. She was on her own. She stayed, because she thought she still might turn him into a customer. She gambled and lost. And in typical local fashion, she was pissed or disappointed because her plan back fired. Many locals do not take responsibility. They get mad when they dont get what they want.
When the dude came back and saw her still there and acting like she was waiting for him, that's when he felt he needed to respectfully tell her he was tired and maybe another time. Now since you are a Frannie, I'm sure you will probably say, he should have told her he wasnt interested when she was on the street or when she followed him to the restaurant. That would be a good question or point. . But I know how it is sometimes when chicas do that. Approach you on the street trying to be persuasive, and at the same time you don't want to brush them off like they are a piece of shit. So you kinda let them try to get their sales pitch in, figuring they will eventually move on. Perhaps he thought by going into the restaurant, he would have ditched her, and he wouldn't have to say anything. Instead, she followed him into the restaurant. Maybe he thought she would bounce once he left to get money? If she had left on her own, problem solved.
Let me recap for you super sleuth. No monger owes some chica his time or payoffs if he did not invite the woman to sit with him, did not buy her food or drinks. He is entitled to leave the restaurant to go get money from his hotel, come back and hang with his buddies. That chick entered the place as a free agent, and left as one, entitled to talk to anybody she wanted to, including any of us. Her getting pissed, is her fucking problem. Disappointments are just part of the game, we all have to deal with it. Since I have been enlightened further, I have amended my perspective of both of them.
In conclusion, I make no apologies for supporting my fellow mongers, as well as my friends any day. The theme of my posts is, Bros before Hoes. We need more men to stand up for other men, their interests, their motivations, and their perspective. IMO that's one of the reasons men in America (and other places in the world) are catching hell with their women. Men before us, gave women too much power, authority, and undeserved benefits It's out of fucking control. And now men want to bring their fantasies and emotional needs abroad, so they can be exploited here. They won't be happy until women abroad turn into AW clones. Sadly, it's becoming a sausage fest of more and more men caring more about female interests than their own, or their brothers in common. Yes some may say, "naw man. I'm standing up for principle, I don't care who is wrong. If a man is wrong, he's wrong. If a woman is wrong, she's wrong".
Of course anybody can see that when we make those types of statements, oft times they are fallacies. Everywhere you look we (me included) ALL are walking contradictions of individuals supposedly standing up for principle. How we generally operate? We operate by the standard. Where we stand on the issue depends on where we sit. Which means, we change and bend rules and where principles apply as we see fit. We do things undercover, and then act like we are superior to others. (yes I have done it, and still do it unwittingly). There are no one standard of principles to follow. It's decisions, POV and outcome. Thats the reality of life. Now Mr Frannie, you want to offer some more judgemental perspective, have at it. Just remember, you are included and aint no different than anybody else.
Tempoecorto
11-04-16, 17:11
'Maran atha' in Syrian Aramaic means 'you lord' (lord in the meaning of 'influential rabbi). That's it.I was impressed with Charles Pooter. With you, I am impressed even more. I who know nothing but the name of that archaic language.
Thanks.
Maranatha.
It is Aramaic and (allegedly) means "Our Lord is coming, and he will judge those who have set him at nought" (though that seems rather a lot for one four-syllable word to mean in any language).
I guess I am the first to write Aramaic on this board? (I am sure Tempoecorte will appreciate it).
I imagine the settlement grew up around a church or mission.
Odd how Yanks use the word "town". I remember as a 13-year-old watching the movie "Shane". Most of the action takes place on a remote ranch. They talk a lot about what is going on "in town". The action moves there for the climax and I was shocked to find that the "town" consisted of about eight small buildings.Thanks for correct name and spelling.
"Bug infested 3rd world shit hole" Please note that I use those terms with a great deal of respect and endearment as some of the best experiences in my life have come in bug infested Third World shit holes. Leticia, Colombia comes immediately to mind. I cannot believe it has been almost forty years since I fucked a hooker on a blanket on the ground outside a brothel there for a mere $2 US. But I am getting a bit long in the tooth now, and kind of appreciate being able to flush the toilet paper as opposed to throwing it in a (bug infested) bucket.
Charles Pooter
11-04-16, 23:34
... that archaic language. Ancient, but not archaic. Still spoken today.
We can't have archaic and eat it, too.
FYI, Sherlock. I happened to bump into the guy yesterday in front of Sosua Suites. I had a question I wanted to ask him since the recent posts emerged over his behavior.
I asked him, how did that chica end up coming with him into the restaurant? He said when us 3 left Merengue Bar, he stayed behind a few minutes to talk to someone, and then left. On the sidewalk in front of Merengue Bar, that chica started talking to him, and started walking along side of him, campaigning hard trying to get business. "Sound" familiar? It aint but a few steps from Merengue to the German restaurant. She followed him into the restaurant. And pulled up a stool next to him. So, she wasnt his date like we all thought. He did not invite her into the restaurant, and he never told her he wanted to be with her, nor did he say come with me. Her deciding to come into the restaurant uninvited was ALL on her.
Knowing this, a few things make sense. One, he never bought her any drinks, he never ordered any food. So there was never any expectation that he was buying her food. Her behavior? Since he did not invite her, she invited herself into the restaurant, her talking to us and trying to secure a customer makes much more sense than her blatantly going after one of us, when we all assumed she was with him. Blah, blah, blah....Keep on digging.
1. In your initial post YOU SAID this Dick had invited the chica into the restaurant and that she was his date, but she behaved shockingly by hitting on each of you as soon as his back was turned, but out of unswerving loyalty to him, you all spurned her advances.
2. I responded that she was in fact a hooker who had followed a group of unattached guys into a restaurant, not a date, and was just doing what hookers do.
3. You responded again admitting that you completely misread the situation from the get-go and that she was in fact a hooker who had followed a group of unattached guys into a restaurant, not a date, and was just doing what hookers do. Well done!
Last night there was a nice jazz concert in front of the casino.
Plenty of women upstairs and downstairs of CLassicos.
I was walking on the strip this afternoon and noticed the TVs on in Rumba.
Plus The place was full with chairs a day ago it was empty no chairs.
There were three guys in there working I asked when is the place opening they said hopefully Saturday.
The place has changed but it's still a buyers market I'll keep you guys posted on the latest changes.
Last night Thursday the curfew went to 3 am on the strip.
2 nights in a row The police didn't arrest any girls and the chairs and tables were back on the Sidewalks.
Tempoecorto
11-05-16, 04:52
Ancient, but not archaic. Still spoken today.Aramaic is still spoken today? The Syriac version, I understand is used in liturgy in some (mainly orthodox) churches including St. Thomas' church in India, I read in Wikipedia. Indeed, I read Hebrew and Arabic were offshoots of that language and Jesus and the Jews of his time spoke Aramaic.
Sorry everyone else. Last post on this in this forum.
Last night there was a nice jazz concert in front of the casino.
Plenty of women upstairs and downstairs of CLassicos.
I was walking on the strip this afternoon and noticed the TVs on in Rumba.
Plus The place was full with chairs a day ago it was empty no chairs.
There were three guys in there working I asked when is the place opening they said hopefully Saturday.
The place has changed but it's still a buyers market I'll keep you guys posted on the latest changes.
Last night Thursday the curfew went to 3 am on the strip.
2 nights in a row The police didn't arrest any girls and the chairs and tables were back on the Sidewalks.That's exactly what the owner of Platinum Bar told me was going to happen.
Keep on digging.
In your initial post YOU SAID this Dick had invited the chica into the restaurant and that she was his date, but she behaved shockingly by hitting on each of you as soon as his back was turned, but out of unswerving loyalty to him, you all spurned her advances.Not exactly, Mr Frannie. In my initial post, I said the guy ESCORTED the chica into the restaurant. I didn't say anything about him INVITING her into the restaurant. Do you know the difference between escorting someone vs inviting someone? You assumed he invited her, and then talked about him not having enough money to buy her something to eat. And suggested that he could have taken her elsewhere to buy her something to eat.
A man and a woman walking into a restaurant together doesn't mean the one with the Dick invited the one with the Pussy. Thats just Frannie logic. Inviting someone or escorting someone, neither practice means only one of them is supposed to be paying for the other. Regardless of what we all thought, the guy was not obligated to buy the chick anything. We at least assumed correctly they were together for a potential p4 p arrangement. And we thought negative of her because we thought they were together for that purpose, and he was her potential client. We all thought what she was doing after he left was whack. But I have amended my perspective in that regard.
In fact this whole scenario might have a lesson to be learned. Old habits die hard. Many of us have this mindset that a man usually pays for women. Some of us, can't help ourselves. Many of us grew up with that belief / habit. We'll pick up a womans tab, send drinks over to a womans table, and think nothing of it. But why when it comes to being around hookers and hoes, many of us men automatically assume it's our duty to be offering or buying food and drink for these particular women? What is it about us as men that would have us and a Frannie think that just because a guy escorts or invites a hooker into a restaurant, that that man is going to buy food /drinks for the hooker? Or that he owes that hooker compensation if he decides he is not interested in giving her business?
Deep down most of us know we don't really owe a hooker anything when a hooker voluntarily spends time with us, and we decide not to hire them for sex. But many of us have learned, or realized that many of these hookers have adopted the mindset that the moment you engage them by having them/letting them sit with you, buy them drinks or food, or they go with you anywhere, you just hired them. So the question then becomes, should a man go by what he believes, or what the hookers believe they are entitled to?
Its funny how you oft times mention how many of these chicas are not professionals blah blah blah. But when it comes down to this issue of them thinking their time was being wasted, many of them muggs sure as hell act like hardcore professionals. Many of these muggs have gotten worse, because buying them food and / drink doesn't mean jack to them. Enough of them still feel you owe them money if they sat with you, or went with you somewhere.
I've talked to quite a few guys, expats and vacationers, and most agree, when you buy food and drink for many of these hookers, those offers are NOT appreciated nor reduces their expectations for compensation. And it damn sure doesn't entitle a guy to getting better sex / sessions. It doesnt make them genuinely like you more. Whatever positive behavior you may see from them,acting like they like you, is just them trying to encourage and reinforce more useless gifting. Its a facade. Watch what happens if you stop giving or refuse a request. They will more than likely turn on you in an instant. Think you are malo or cheapy cheapy. Everything you did before, all counts for nothing. When we buy food, drink, give gifts, groceries, all that shit is on you. It may have no significant effect on reducing pussy costs or enhancing a womans sexual / companionship output.
So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered? Thats why I am in accord with something Mr E alluded to in another forum. He basically implied that some of the extra shit we do thinking it's leading to better performance, better sex, more availability is unnecessary. And I say, counter productive and delusional. IMO almost everything about women in the DR suggests to me, that payment after services are rendered is the preferred and best way to handle business with hookers. Benefits, offerings and gifts presented before services are rendered can lead to problems and imbalances resulting in possibly being exploited, manipulated and taken advantage of. And definitely in many instances, unappreciated. But you pay a hooker only what she earned and when she earns it, then you are more likely keeping things more balanced and in your favor.
Start catching feelings and go above and beyond for a hooker, she may make you pay for getting soft and emotional over nothing. "she sucked my dick, I got to pay more" "she swallowed my leche. I got to pay more" " She let me hit it raw, I got to get her an iphone 7". " she has been texting me syrupy shit making me feel good, I got to pay for that" "Man I loved the way she moaned and came hard, made me feel more like a man, I got to give her a 200 pesos tip so she will hold no stops next time we get together".
Meanwhile that thought process really gets you nowhere. You will get whatever, your hooker is up to giving you when YOUR turn comes up. Remember, some of these hookers have short term memory. They can't remember and sort out every client to know who gets regular vs high test pussy / sessions. When you think about it, it even sounds ridiculous what we do thinking it automatically entitles us to better performance or preferential treatment. If anything, guys better beware and make sure that we arent the ones being treated like trained seals.
What I mean is, A hooker can very well adjust her performance to make you think you are getting a superior performance, knowing you'll likely pay more (or tip). You think you are paying for a better performance. But what she is doing is training you to get more $$$ out of you. Meanwhile she will fuck her local men the same way for nothing or next to it, or the next client the same way for less than what you paid.. Just because we are the ones paying and have a lot of money doesn't mean we got this all figured out. DR women ( hell women in general ) are very resourceful / intuitive when it comes to deciphering our weaknesses and what we respond to.
That's exactly what the owner of Platinum Bar told me was going to happen.That's what I said too, during the long hot slow season, when folks were predicting the end of Sosua, and recommending moving on, or even moving out!
I said by December, it will be business as usual. I took the usual heat for that.
The demise of Sosua, is always greatly exaggerated.
All they do is re-arrange the chairs, once in a while, to cover up what is really going on, namely deciding who gets to run the very, very lucrative business.
Unlike our cities, it doesn't involve gang wars.
Dominicans are too nice! :)
Not exactly, Mr Frannie. In my initial post, I said the guy ESCORTED the chica into the restaurant. I didn't say anything about him INVITING her into the restaurant. Do you know the difference between escorting someone vs inviting someone? You assumed he invited her, and then talked about him not having enough money to buy her something to eat. And suggested that he could have taken her elsewhere to buy her something to eat.
A man and a woman walking into a restaurant together doesn't mean the one with the Dick invited the one with the Pussy. Thats just Frannie logic. Inviting someone or escorting someone, neither practice means only one of them is supposed to be paying for the other. Regardless of what we all thought, the guy was not obligated to buy the chick anything. We at least assumed correctly they were together for a potential p4 p arrangement. And we thought negative of her because we thought they were together for that purpose, and he was her potential client. We all thought what she was doing after he left was whack. But I have amended my perspective in that regard.
In fact this whole scenario might have a lesson to be learned. Old habits die hard. Many of us have this mindset that a man usually pays for women. Some of us, can't help ourselves. Many of us grew up with that belief / habit. We'll pick up a womans tab, send drinks over to a womans table, and think nothing of it. But why when it comes to being around hookers and hoes, many of us men automatically assume it's our duty to be offering or buying food and drink for these particular women? What is it about us as men that would have us and a Frannie think that just because a guy escorts or invites a hooker into a restaurant, that that man is going to buy food /drinks for the hooker? Or that he owes that hooker compensation if he decides he is not interested in giving her business?
Deep down most of us know we don't really owe a hooker anything when a hooker voluntarily spends time with us, and we decide not to hire them for sex. But many of us have learned, or realized that many of these hookers have adopted the mindset that the moment you engage them by having them/letting them sit with you, buy them drinks or food, or they go with you anywhere, you just hired them. So the question then becomes, should a man go by what he believes, or what the hookers believe they are entitled to?
Its funny how you oft times mention how many of these chicas are not professionals blah blah blah. But when it comes down to this issue of them thinking their time was being wasted, many of them muggs sure as hell act like hardcore professionals. Many of these muggs have gotten worse, because buying them food and / drink doesn't mean jack to them. Enough of them still feel you owe them money if they sat with you, or went with you somewhere.
I've talked to quite a few guys, expats and vacationers, and most agree, when you buy food and drink for many of these hookers, those offers are NOT appreciated nor reduces their expectations for compensation. And it damn sure doesn't entitle a guy to getting better sex / sessions. It doesnt make them genuinely like you more. Whatever positive behavior you may see from them,acting like they like you, is just them trying to encourage and reinforce more useless gifting. Its a facade. Watch what happens if you stop giving or refuse a request. They will more than likely turn on you in an instant. Think you are malo or cheapy cheapy. Everything you did before, all counts for nothing. When we buy food, drink, give gifts, groceries, all that shit is on you. It may have no significant effect on reducing pussy costs or enhancing a womans sexual / companionship output.
So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered? Thats why I am in accord with something Mr E alluded to in another forum. He basically implied that some of the extra shit we do thinking it's leading to better performance, better sex, more availability is unnecessary. And I say, counter productive and delusional. IMO almost everything about women in the DR suggests to me, that payment after services are rendered is the preferred and best way to handle business with hookers. Benefits, offerings and gifts presented before services are rendered can lead to problems and imbalances resulting in possibly being exploited, manipulated and taken advantage of. And definitely in many instances, unappreciated. But you pay a hooker only what she earned and when she earns it, then you are more likely keeping things more balanced and in your favor.
Start catching feelings and go above and beyond for a hooker, she may make you pay for getting soft and emotional over nothing. "she sucked my dick, I got to pay more" "she swallowed my leche. I got to pay more" " She let me hit it raw, I got to get her an iphone 7". " she has been texting me syrupy shit making me feel good, I got to pay for that" "Man I loved the way she moaned and came hard, made me feel more like a man, I got to give her a 200 pesos tip so she will hold no stops next time we get together".
Meanwhile that thought process really gets you nowhere. You will get whatever, your hooker is up to giving you when YOUR turn comes up. Remember, some of these hookers have short term memory. They can't remember and sort out every client to know who gets regular vs high test pussy / sessions. When you think about it, it even sounds ridiculous what we do thinking it automatically entitles us to better performance or preferential treatment. If anything, guys better beware and make sure that we arent the ones being treated like trained seals.
What I mean is, A hooker can very well adjust her performance to make you think you are getting a superior performance, knowing you'll likely pay more (or tip). You think you are paying for a better performance. But what she is doing is training you to get more $$$ out of you. Meanwhile she will fuck her local men the same way for nothing or next to it, or the next client the same way for less than what you paid.. Just because we are the ones paying and have a lot of money doesn't mean we got this all figured out. DR women ( hell women in general ) are very resourceful / intuitive when it comes to deciphering our weaknesses and what we respond to.People buy food or drink for each other in bars and restaurants because they enjoy their company or want to be seen with them in public. It is a bit of a stretch to expect third world street hookers to treat mongers. The mongers in Sosua have enough disposable income for leisure travel overseas, the chicas are living hand-to-mouth and usually have children and / or other family members to support.
So why do guys continue to buy ungrateful unappreciative hookers food and drink, instead of us just paying for sex / companionship after services are rendered?A lot of your thinking reminds me of an old TV show that you may have seen called 3rd Rock from the Sun.
The premise of the show revolves around a four-person extraterrestrial research expedition attempting to live as a normal human family in a college town in Ohio, where they live in an attic apartment. Humor was principally derived from the aliens' attempts to study human society and, because of their living as humans themselves while on Earth, to understand the human condition. This show reflects human life from the perspective of aliens and many sources of humor are from the learning experiences the alien characters have.
The show also takes humor from its mirroring of all human anthropological expeditions and their assumptions of superiority to the "natives", as well as their inability to distinguish themselves from the natives. Dr. Mary Albright is a professor of anthropology at (fictional) Pendelton State University, and many of the issues with which the four aliens struggle appear in her conversation and work.
Details about their alien nature are rarely given and inconsistent, except to reinforce the idea that their former lives were almost barren of emotion, unlike most of the relationships humans have with each other. Their original forms, for example, are described as nonsexual, with reproduction a matter of sending packets of genetic material to each other in the mail. The upshot is that living in an Earth culture provides the group of aliens with an almost intolerable degree of emotional stimulation and conflict which they are ill-equipped to handle.
The main character was called Dick and of 139 episodes of the series, 108 contained "Dick" in the title such as "I enjoy being a Dick", "Will work for Dick", "Selfish Dick", "Dick soup for the soul", and "Postnasal Dick".
It is a bit of a stretch to expect third world street hookers to treat mongers. .Of course that would be quite a stretch. When did you start thinking it wasnt?
The mongers in Sosua have enough disposable income for leisure travel overseas, the chicas are living hand-to-mouth and usually have children and / or other family members to support.Hmmm, So that's why the little hustler girl stopped at our table and the table next to us with mongers, and their dates on the beach, but never stopped at several tables next to us occupied by mostly dominican women, and other locals?
This team, comprised of an adult woman accompanied by a 6 to 10 yr old girl, strategically stopped at certain tables right by #64 Jorge Mayra restaurant. They were selling some sort of gift souvenirs. The thing though, the girl was the front making the sales pitch, and the woman just observed from a few feet away.
Three of us ordered food which took about 20 minutes. Other tables occupied by dominican women had apparently ordered food too. 5 minutes into us being served, here comes the little girl straight to our table again, telling us that she's hungry. Her adult accomplice is who knows where? Probably nearby watching the girls progress?
None of us budged. When she came around my side, I asked her if she wanted food? She said yes. So I pointed to 3 tables of dominican women next to us, who had food and drink. I told her to ask them for some food. She looked at me bewildered, and walked away. Maybe she understood, maybe she didnt? But instead of stopping at any of the tables filled with women, she walked right past every one of them. Maybe she went to join her accomplice to report? Moments later, she came right back to ask me again.
I told her the same thing. But this time, she turned to the lounge chair guy to get him to tell me what she wants. He told me she wanted something to eat. Since he is perfectly bilingual, I got him to explain to her, to go to the tables next to us where the dominican women were at. Ask them for food. He said something to her, but I didn't catch everything. But once again she walked off but never stopped at any other table occupied by any of the dominican women or any other locals.
Wouldn't one figure, that most of those women being mothers, would look out for a little girl claiming to be hungry? I believe they knew what was going on because I saw them watching us and staring, to see how we were going to handle the situation.
I thought about it a second. She could have asked the lounge chair guy for food, but she didn't. Better yet, she could have went to any number of dominican or foreigner restaurants and asked for food. Im relatively certain they probably never gave that a thought.. And all of this time, where is that woman at? There was a time when I'd be at Sosua beach and a kid or adult would come up to me to ask for food, and I wouldn't hesitate to give it to them. But after a while of observing how enough locals single out who they target, I no longer subjected myself to what amounted to "hustling the gringo" method of begging. I have no problem being kind, thoughtful and generous to whom I choose and when I choose. You single me out for hustling, won't go to no one else but another monger / gringo, Imma just say no gracias.
It's fucking sad, that even all of the dominican women around, none of them acknowledged that girl, or would sacrifice a few pesos, to supposedly help a little girl begging for food or drink. Part of the reason may be, them hoes don't really want to pay for their own food / drink themselves. And would much rather prefer some stupid simp monger eyeballing them nearby to come over and pick up their grub tab. Besides waiting on their next client, that's likely what all the staring, smiling and eye fucking is all about.
That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals. Why spend your money, if you can get a monger to pay for it? They are teaching them at a very young age to hustle us out of our money / resources, even meals / drinks. Eventually the little girl will be upgraded in her training on how to maximize her game selling her pussy. The young boy hustlers have a different challenge.
There is one particular chica who is a full time hooker now. She used to be this sweet young lady walking on the beach and around Sosua with a little plastic container filled with some sort of food item. But now she is a hot mess. Smoking, acting hardcore, like she lost her femininity to the streets.
Hmmm, So that's why the little hustler girl stopped at our table and the table next to us with mongers, and their dates on the beach, but never stopped at several tables next to us occupied by mostly dominican women, and other locals?
This team, comprised of an adult woman accompanied by a 6 to 10 yr old girl, strategically stopped at certain tables right by #64 Jorge Mayra restaurant. They were selling some sort of gift souvenirs. The thing though, the girl was the front making the sales pitch, and the woman just observed from a few feet away.
Three of us ordered food which took about 20 minutes. Other tables occupied by dominican women had apparently ordered food too. 5 minutes into us being served, here comes the little girl straight to our table again, telling us that she's hungry. Her adult accomplice is who knows where? Probably nearby watching the girls progress?
None of us budged. When she came around my side, I asked her if she wanted food? She said yes. So I pointed to 3 tables of dominican women next to us, who had food and drink. I told her to ask them for some food. She looked at me bewildered, and walked away. Maybe she understood, maybe she didnt? But instead of stopping at any of the tables filled with women, she walked right past every one of them. Maybe she went to join her accomplice to report? Moments later, she came right back to ask me again.
I told her the same thing. But this time, she turned to the lounge chair guy to get him to tell me what she wants. He told me she wanted something to eat. Since he is perfectly bilingual, I got him to explain to her, to go to the tables next to us where the dominican women were at. Ask them for food. He said something to her, but I didn't catch everything. But once again she walked off but never stopped at any other table occupied by any of the dominican women or any other locals.
Wouldn't one figure, that most of those women being mothers, would look out for a little girl claiming to be hungry? I believe they knew what was going on because I saw them watching us and staring, to see how we were going to handle the situation.
I thought about it a second. She could have asked the lounge chair guy for food, but she didn't. Better yet, she could have went to any number of dominican or foreigner restaurants and asked for food. Im relatively certain they probably never gave that a thought.. And all of this time, where is that woman at? There was a time when I'd be at Sosua beach and a kid or adult would come up to me to ask for food, and I wouldn't hesitate to give it to them. But after a while of observing how enough locals single out who they target, I no longer subjected myself to what amounted to "hustling the gringo" method of begging. I have no problem being kind, thoughtful and generous to whom I choose and when I choose. You single me out for hustling, won't go to no one else but another monger / gringo, Imma just say no gracias.
It's fucking sad, that even all of the dominican women around, none of them acknowledged that girl, or would sacrifice a few pesos, to supposedly help a little girl begging for food or drink. Part of the reason may be, them hoes don't really want to pay for their own food / drink themselves. And would much rather prefer some stupid simp monger eyeballing them nearby to come over and pick up their grub tab. Besides waiting on their next client, that's likely what all the staring, smiling and eye fucking is all about.
That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals. Why spend your money, if you can get a monger to pay for it? They are teaching them at a very young age to hustle us out of our money / resources, even meals / drinks. Eventually the little girl will be upgraded in her training on how to maximize her game selling her pussy. The young boy hustlers have a different challenge.
There is one particular chica who is a full time hooker now. She used to be this sweet young lady walking on the beach and around Sosua with a little plastic container filled with some sort of food item. But now she is a hot mess. Smoking, acting hardcore, like she lost her femininity to the streets.Yeah, I know! Here in Florida the beggars always seem to target motorists, never pedestrians. They will hang out at traffic lights with signs written on pieces of cardboard saying "HOMELESS MOTHER LIGHT CUT OFF-NO FOOD (OR HOMELESS VETERAN IN NEED OF RAZOR BLADES AND A SUIT PLUS DENTAL WORK FOR JOB INTERVIEW) and stand close to cars trying to catch the eye of drivers, or else they will walk up to people at gas stations who are filling their tanks and claim to be stranded and in need of food or gasoline money. Why don't they go and stand outside schools and ask the children for money? Still I suppose they do make some progress to their goals, because a woman I saw begging last week was three miles further up US 17 this week. I offered her a ride even further, but she was too proud to accept charity and preferred to remain homeless closer to home.
There is an excellent Sherlock Holmes story called "The Man With The Twisted Lip" which is about an accountant who works in the City of London, but one day realises that beggars make more than he does, so he developes a strategy of traveling to work as a commuter in suit and bowler hat, and then renting a room where he applies theatrical make up and old clothes to make himself look quite pitiful, then sits on the sidewalk begging for the rest of the day, and makes a lot of money from charitable city gents before changing back into his smart clothes and catching the train home to suburbia. Unfortunately his wife suspects he has another woman and secretly tracks him to his lair.
Very likely this beggar woman and her daughter are like that. That probably drive a large SUV and live in an expensive condo on the beach in Cabarete and watch novellas on a 60 inch screen TV.
It is not just mongers in Sosua--all over the world host communities want tourists to come because they think they will spend money. How about some of these third world beggars use their money to travel to poor parts of the US to spend their money and return the favor?
I was walking out of the Madrid Atocha train station today, passing the Jardín Botánico. Numerous African immigrants were selling purses and so forth, and other people were working at food stalls, selling flowers, and so forth. After I crossed to Avenida Atocha, I saw a fairly disheveled gentleman whom I assumed to be a Spaniard, begging and holding a sign saying 'Para un Ferrari.' I thought that was hilarious and so I gave him 50 euro cents. You can get a liter of wine at El Corte Inglés in the station for 0,63 euro so I think I got him well on his way. A creative approach is important.
Compare the Ferrari approach with the cocksucker who followed me for two blocks from the Cuenca RENFE station, two days ago, repeatedly insisting first that I give him a euro and finally that I give him 'algo' = something. This was after I told him no several times and then 'vete' = go away. So I told him, 'Lo que sí voy a darte es un fuerte golpe si no te largas ahorita' = What I am going to give you is a nice hard smack if you don't scram right now. I saw him the next day in a doorway with a bag over his nose and mouth = 'sacalero' = glue sniffer.
Mr Enternational
11-06-16, 19:00
That whole scenario only goes to show, that mongers / gringos / foreigners are generally perceived as walking ATM machines by enough locals.Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.
Then in the Philippines I was taking a trike with my girl. I was inside of the sidecar while she was on the back of the bike with the driver. The driver stopped at a light and a little girl bypassed both of them and came to me in the sidecar with her hand out. I reached my girl's purse out to her but she would not touch it. Later I asked my girl why the girl would not take the purse and neither asked her nor the driver for money. She said because I am a foreigner.
Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.
Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.
Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.
The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Café Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, '¡Me asustó! = you scared me! (not mute).
I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a bostero (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.
Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.That's a very profound statement and so true bruh. Something many of us mongers might want to let marinate. Here you have individuals professing to be poor, starving and in need of help etc, and yet many of them will blatantly discriminate (pick and choose publicly) where their help comes from. WOW.
I recall a few incidents ago where chicas or kids came up to me begging to give them, pesos, buy them water, a soda, a cerveza (not kids), or food. I pointed to any dominican individuals standing nearby. The 1st thing they'll do is act like they do not understand anything you are saying. They'll keep looking at the people you are pointing to for them to ask. Then turn back to me, and say. " el, ella, ellos es malo, me no gusta". I would ask, "porque tu no gusta?
They wouldn't give a reason, just simply kept repeating that they don't like them. So in order to dodge being put on the spot, enough of them have devised a clever comeback of supposedly not liking someone, And that's supposed to be the reason they won't ask somebody else for the same thing they are asking me. On occasion I've flipped it on them, and told them that "Estoy malo tambien", and "cheapy cheapy. ".
I figured, since they don't like approaching bad people, they won't have much choice but to leave me alone too! If I feel like having a little fun with them, I will jokingly accuse them of being "mafioso" (or is it mafiosa for a female?) and go on about my business not taking them seriously.
The sacalero was begging from locals, too, but wasn't following them like he followed me. There used to be this woman who begged in Caf Excedra in Buenos Aires, holding up a sign saying she was a deaf mute and walking like a hunchback. I think she had some kind of a pillow back there or something. One day I saw her walking completely normally in a totally different neighborhood. So not a hunchback. So I walked up behind her and clapped my hands real hard behind her head. She turned around (not deaf) and said, 'Me asust! = you scared me! (not mute).
I forget where I was, maybe Quito, and there was this guy who was out there all day long on a little dolly with his legs folded up under him like he was crippled. Then when it got dark, he would get off his dolly, put it under his arm, and walk away normally. Sitting like that all day has got to be worse than working as a bostero (shit shoveler, stall mucker) or something, plus if you do it long enough, you'll probably screw your legs up for real. Obviously he could only target tourists because all the locals knew he was faking.I strongly believe and suspect that a lot of locals that report daily to Sosua to work, arent as in need of help as they portray.
I recall a video Cuba Dave made where he was warning mongers about sending money and requests for money (RFMs). He told a story about a chica that asked him for $200 USD to supposedly pay rent or they would lose their house. She said her house was similar to some of the rundown shacks on the beach. He asked a motoconcho driver who knew the girl to drive him by the chicas house where she lived. He found out that her place and living conditions were much much better than what she claimed. Nothing like the story she told. Now I'm not sure if Cuba Daves story is true, but I'm 100% certain that many locals tell us a bunch of lies to get us to feel sorry for them, and give them shit.
I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.
I recall a Haitian chica, username Mirlande, she claimed she was in Haiti and needed $40 towards a visa so she could come back to the DR. Said she will be there Oct 16,2015. Ironically, another guy I know also got the same message from her as well. And who knows how many others in her message chain all got the exact same request? Of course neither of us sent her money, and neither of us let her know what we knew of what she was doing. Sometimes it's better to play the sucker role, to catch a sucker. Just don't let them see your hand.The visa allowing travel between Haiti and the DR for one year was about US $200 in 2012, so it would have to be shared 5 ways. An illegal crossing at Dajabon, is, I believe, about $80 including motor bikes on both sides, guides, river crossing assistance, and so on. The problem with crossing illegally is that they have several passport checks of all passengers on buses and guaguas between Dajabon and Navarette along the route, so just crossing the border alone is not that useful for most people.
Mr Enternational
11-07-16, 02:45
Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.
I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.
How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.
First off he had no intent on asking her. I am the one who told him to ask her thinking she would know better and say no. Second this girl is not streetwise in the least, so of course she had genuine compassion. But you have to be wise in where you direct your compassion if you do not want to be used or taken advantage of.
I am talking about my girl from immigration. She does not have to date rich gringos. She has never asked me for anything except to spend time with her. She does not drink or anything. She goes from work to home. It was a stretch getting her to come to the Superbowl party. You see how early she left.
How many times have you or Grown Man given that guy money? I explained to her later that that guy has 6 kids and always procures hookers for guys on the strip. He is young and able-bodied. Why should he be going around with his hand out? After that she understood. I have zero compassion for someone who is not able to feed themselves yet would go around and make 6 extra mouths to feed. This is a picture of the guy in case you haven't figured out who he is.Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.
Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.The truth of the matter is that locals take advantage of bullshit egos, all over the world, because it works.
In Sosua, the high fives on the street, the fist pumps and the greatings, and even a hug, is an old game. Even Columbus figured it out :)
From my own experience, the greeting of complete strangers "Hola Senor, my friend, remember me? I missed you, when you come back?" especially if Mr Ego is with someone he wants to impress, works 80% of the time.
Stand around the Eiffel Tower, or the Colliseum, and in 2 minutes flat, you will be offered a fine Italian jacket for 90% off because he has to high tail it to the airport.
Folks who spend too much time analyzing the motivations of beggars, touts and putas, are wasting good money.
Why do beggars target tourists? Why do robbers rob banks? Because that's where the money is! No rocket science, or dark psychological labyrinths required.
Except a reminder that "You can't cheat an honest man", and "life is a mirror it will give you back whatever you put into it".
Remember Sosua has sunshine, the beautiful beaches, beautiful girls, cold drinks and some really nice people, if you hang around with the right crowd!
Oh yeah, I forgot another one, something to do with Birds of a feather.
Let me understand this correctly; Guys are saying they don't like beggars because they don't ask locals? This is why I love effective communication where people can ask for feedback, so clarity can follow. I do not think anybody said they don't like beggars for the reasons you stated. Thats a little simplistic. Whats being brought out by me, is when beggars single out or discriminate who they target. Some mongers have a problem with that, others don't. Enough mongers may not even realize they are being targeted. And if they knew probably wouldn't subject themselves to beggars singling them out.
The other thing that's important to note, is that in enough instances where beggars come at us, they may not even need what they claim, and can get it elsewhere. Its just that in a tourist area where foreigners are filthy rich (perhaps in the locals mind) they probably see us as a resource that needs to be tapped and bled. Mainly because it may be presumed that we don't need it, can do with out it, and they are entitled to what we have.
After all, they are living their lives with less, so why shouldn't they extract anything and everything they can? Think of the mindset of a chica who thinks she's owed money, just because you let her sit down next to you. Or you buy her a beer, and all of a sudden the meter starts running, because this mugg thinks you owe her for her time. Think about this. If a chica sat down with any local guy, sat on his moto to talk, or he bought her a beer, you think she would be looking to get paid from him? Of course not. So why is it perfectly ok for us to be treated differently? Because were foreigners? Because we have more money. Its ok to be exploited because we arent dominican?
If we lose a phone to a local thief, or lose money to a chica, or your hotel is burglarized, I'm reasonably certain that enough locals won't be heartbroken over our loss. Because they know we can replace all of that given the opportunity. I tend to believe locals that come to Sosua daily, see this place as just another type of job. A place ripe with opportunity to make money if you know how and who to hustle. So this issue is a little more important than just not liking beggars because they don't ask locals.
I tend to believe enough foreigners make too many excuses for dominican behavior instead of calling that shit out, and realizing what you are dealing with.
But per your example even when they ask natives and the native contributes then the foreigner teases the native and perceives them as naive. It tells me that the poor third world girl who has to date rich visiting gringos maybe has more compassion than the privileged.I have been around chicas that gave beggars food and pesos while in my company, or I observed it happening when chicas were with other foreigners. But I don't recall seeing any local males offering their food or pesos to anybody. Maybe I missed those opportunities? But I tend to believe local males don't throw their money away as quickly as females. Especially when they know the beggar has the means to eat or get whatever is they want without them.
The chicas that give to beggars, I do not take them seriously. Most of them are getting paid from some gringo anyway, so it aint no loss. And part of the reason for doing it in a gringos face, is probably for appearances. She demonstrates to the gringo the act of giving, and she might convince him of getting in the habit of helping her people. That just might be in the chica network manual. Chapter XXX How to stimulate the flow of money and resources to your domincan people. .
Chicas do it for their girls on the regular. You ever see a chica having a meal with a gringo, and suddenly she has a chica or two plopping themselves down, sticking their fingers in the mans plate. Old Kool can attest to that. I saw two barracudas come into Rockys one afternoon. They helped themselves to some of his food, and when he protested, one of them busted out with an attitude, talking shit. Like how dare you stop me from eating your fucking food. There was that entitlement attitude. Them acting like that what is yours is theirs to have. And a chica with a guy will facilitate having their friends extract from the gringo. So it's deeper than not liking beggars because they do not ask locals. Its about the mindset behind it.
Just like if we go to a local dominican restaurant for food, and they charge us 150 pesos extra for the same food they would charge a local less. Or a gringo is constantly being billed for shit he didn't consume or ask for. Or when he gets his change, the server intentionally shorts him on his change, but wouldn't do any of that to a local. Or the gringo pays his bill, and the individual will claim you never paid, or you did not give them a certain denomination bill. There are a plethroa of hustles, all designed to fleece the gringo. I think its wise to be consistently aware of how we may be perceived and manipulated by locals, during the course of us fulfilling our fantasies. .
But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.
I thought about something. Isn't forums like this designed for the purpose of us sharing information and intel so as to help each other? Why would there be a presumption that us mongers sharing information is about taking away from another mongers reason for visiting somewhere? I don't get it?
Exactly how does one measure how much thought an individual is putting into this, just from a few message board posts? And since when is this about worrying? If I thought that I had the power to take away from a mongers reasons for coming to the DR simply by my thoughts, I'd stop thinking and possibly posting immediately. I can only think in one head. Nobody is responsible for anybdy else feelings or sensitivities.No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness. I don't need the fellowship to feel secure, most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain that.
When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie Mouse.
We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also.
Thanks.
Actually he is harmless and a drug addict. All you have to do is don't engage at all in any conversation with these guys and they will get the message. Then once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. I never burn bridges because believe it or not those guys can be useful. Charlie (The English speaking tout on the strip) did me a favor one time. I needed some white tee shirts and didn't want to pay for a motochoncho to go to Ole down by SDQ airport. So I gave Charlie 50 pesos and had him go to some spot in Andres and he brought the tee shirts to me on the beach. Once he arrived he gave me the 4 pack of new tee shirts in the wrapper and I gave him the 100 peso balance. I know he probably boosted the tee shirts and that's not my business but I wasn't going to waste my time and 250 p for a motochoncho to go down by the airport. Basically you can make them work for you for cheap. Don't let them sit with you to run that bullshit, don't buy them a beer, don't let them know where you are staying and they can't fuck with you. But all the thought you guys are putting into worrying about the other sides motives takes away from the reason I visit the DR, which is to play with the girls and enjoy the island.I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said "once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".
I don't see any reason to give an individual pesos for giving me my space, or the appearance of them respecting me. My respect to them and giving them space doesn't warrant them giving me any pesos. Respect and space don't cost, it's earned by mutually giving it. I agree with you on not to burn bridges. And what you said makes sense.
Many of those guys can be useful. But the important thing to note, is that the examples you are giving is due to them doing something useful to EARN what you gave. You give beggars and touts money because they give you space and respect is IMO showing them weakness. Why can't they respect me and give me my space without compensation? In the voice of Mr E, LOL "Have you tried it?
I'm not going to get into any habit of giving away my money just because some cat is giving me dap and smiling at me every time they see me. I have no problem giving compensation when they do something for me that I asked for or needed. Same with the police.
I know a lot of cats are caught up in a routine of being expected to give away money to a police officer when he approaches them for money. The assumption is that the officer will help you, in case you get in a jam. I understand how that is supposed to work.
But I thought about it. What is wrong with waiting until I actually need help, and then pay for the help when it is rendered? Same with the beggar / tout. You get caught in a pattern of giving and giving when you never need help, just when does it end? Moreover, suppose the individual isn't available or has no jurisdiction at the time you need him? Payment when a service is performed works just fine. We don't let locals dictate how we choose to manage our money in their regard.
But we do use deductive reasoning in situations where we may have to bite the bullet and give in to overcome a potentially negative outcome.
I think it's important to know and note that not all police officers operate the same. If I were to entertain the idea of having a police officer as my "friend" and protector of my interests, I would choose one that will help me, and allow me to show my gratitude afterwards.
But when it comes to all of those officers expecting to routinely get money when they haven't lifted a finger to help me with a problem? Those types I would avoid. They may be great guys, and helped tons of guys. But I'd much rather be friends with a officer who is not looking for a handout almost every time he sees me.
Those guys may not be helping you because they like you, they may be helping you to protect their investment in you. In other words, they are looking out for themselves. If you stop giving, they might stop liking you. Thats not a good thing. The association I'm talking about, you arent constantly giving him your money, so there is no routine. No reason for him to turn on you.
WRX said"I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".
For me it works the same way a police officer works an informant. The knowledge they can possibly give me in the future or the information that I need is a value that I don't mind forfeiting 50 pesos every trip to keep that connection. These guys are connected to the streets and have some great Intel but you first have to establish their respect for you. Respectfully speaking but those "Bros" info falls in comparison to the info the touts and beggars have. Maybe something as simple as a bad situation that you are entering and that tout giving you a heads-up, whereas that asshole gringo that he doesn't like might be walking into danger. It's on your terms but nothing regular, throwing a bone is how it works in the DR bro. I really hope you change your mentality and understand that if you live in the DR that the relationships you have with Dominicans far outweighs the relationships you have with gringos and bros, Sosua has you insulated. Go to Spanish school, learn Spanish dancing and let the culture open up to you. Keep an open mind, don't analyze everything and take some things as they are Hanging in Sosua with the bros hating on putas, touts, and beggars will get you nowhere unless you want to be known as the mean gringo who nobody likes.
No sensitivities, another man doesn't dictate my happiness.I know that's true. But you inferred that another man can take away from your reason for going to the DR? I'm trying to figure out how that is so?
I don't need the fellowship to feel secureWhen did this become about needing fellowship in feeling secure?
most times I prefer to roll solo to keep from having other people try to interrupt my fun with some bullshit. In ten years of going to the DR I have never concerned myself with thinking about how a beggar or puta lives. Sure they try to impose but I don't entertain thatAnd you have that right. Another monger wishing to discuss or bring up issues you won't, has his right as well. You may want to shoot it down or take pot shots at it. But if you do not want to participate, that's cool, were still cool.
When you go to Disney land do you think about how the employees spend their money? You are over charged for entrada, food and drinks are over priced, and they heard you around like cattle, but you are in fun land so you accept this. Do you ask for the same 25 percent discount the employees get on products? My point is you go to Disney land for the fun rides and to spend money to enjoy the fantasy that is there and to do things you can't do at home. We don't go to Disney to sit in the park and look mean at Minnie MouseI can appreciate the attempt at the analogy big bro, but as it pertains to this issue, I do not equate locals as employees and the rest of us as customers. We are all customers. Using your example, if you saw a white guy (another customer) about the same age as you, buy a ticket to Disneyland and was charged much less than you, would you use that same premise and just sit there and accept that blatant discrimination? If it was me, I would question why.
Now I realize we do not have the power to regulate how we are discriminated against. But sometimes when you stand up for yourself and let them know you are paying attention, you may be treated more fairly. Shit most of the time we are the ones bringing tons of business to these establishments. The least they can do is just give us the same price. I do not remember the restaurants, but I do remember there were a couple that got caught giving different menus to the locals and the foreigner.
We are still waiting for your reports about the good times you are having in Disney land and not really enjoying your complaints about the employees. Plus this is a sex board so maybe a report about getting pussy would be appreciated also. Thanks.I am only one poster among many. I'm not necessarily posting to just fellowship with any one or to get people to like me. You have tons of registered posters willing and able to supply the board their good times. I've shared good times before, and for the most part the typical clowns took their pot shots at it. You know some of them here.
So I rather stick to what I choose to post. This is a sex forum indeed. And almost everything I post can be traced to getting pussy or not getting pussy on some level. For one, guys might have a lot more working cash flow towards getting pussy when they arent giving their money away unnecessarily, or because they are not paying attention to important details leading up to depleting their resources. It takes all kinds to make this forum what it is. I'm doing my part, my way. Others are free to do the same. In fact there has always been deviations and off topic discussion from several posters, here and elsewhere. And nobody says jack to them about it. If some people got a problem with what I'm posting, I take it that I must be doing something right. FTR, oft times I get PMs from posters offering a thanks, or seeking feedback. Im good with that.
I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosúa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin América and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.
I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Málaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.
I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.
I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Mlaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.Why didn't you mention Medellin in Colombia, where the prices are so low it's hard to believe. I am in Medellin now, the weathers great, the women are beautiful, and you can get fucked for 30,000 CP = $ 10.
I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. I will respond on the Sosua thread because you dragged my name in here.
It was my first trip to Barcelona and Madrid, so no, I'm not a season vet in Spain. Before I went, I did a lot of research and here are my two reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1907272#post1907272.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1904228#post1904228.
I really liked both cites and thought the food was great, but I do not consider either city a good mongering place.
You have your opinion, and I have mine.
Now I realize we do not have the power to regulate how we are discriminated against. But sometimes when you stand up for yourself and let them know you are paying attention, you may be treated more fairly. Shit most of the time we are the ones bringing tons of business to these establishments. The least they can do is just give us the same price. I do not remember the restaurants, but I do remember there were a couple that got caught giving different menus to the locals and the foreigner.
Well, they have menus in Spanish, in English, and sometimes in German for that matter. I'm not sure that is illegal because even in government-run places like the fort at Puerto Plata there is a different entrance fee for gringos and for locals. Or at the Teleferico, for that matter, and they are quite open about it.
Airlines sell similar seats for all sorts of different prices, and there is little transparency about how this works. Prices on Amazon change all the time and you can't really be sure you are paying the same as the other guy.
In the US in-state students pay less at state colleges and universities, and in many countries overseas students pay far more than locals.
In the Dominican Republic beggars approach more foreigners and prostitutes charge local men less than they charge foreigners, and charge local residents less than weekend warriors.
I suggest that all readers of this board completely boycott the Dominican Republic until Dominican beggars and prostitutes are brought into line with the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement.
You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.Good question. Why would anyone want to live in such an awful, unfair country as the DR when they could live in a much more highly regulated environment in any of the developed democracies?
Tempoecorto
11-08-16, 04:08
I suggest that all readers of this board completely boycott the Dominican Republic until Dominican beggars and prostitutes are brought into line with the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement.I suggest that you all stop responding to the lunacy of one that over analyzes every darned thing and uses up REAMS of virtual paper. Much ado about nothing!
WRX said"I am not exactly sure the context you mean when you said once they respect you and your space you might slide them 50 pesos for the respect they give you. ".
For me it works the same way a police officer works an informant. The knowledge they can possibly give me in the future or the information that I need is a value that I don't mind forfeiting 50 pesos every trip to keep that connection. These guys are connected to the streets and have some great Intel but you first have to establish their respect for you. Respectfully speaking but those "Bros" info falls in comparison to the info the touts and beggars have. Maybe something as simple as a bad situation that you are entering and that tout giving you a heads-up, whereas that asshole gringo that he doesn't like might be walking into danger. It's on your terms but nothing regular, throwing a bone is how it works in the DR bro.What you are talking about here is not what I was addressing. I already acknowledged that if someone is providing a service it makes sense to compensate them. I was talking about the idea that you said you might slide someone 50 pesos for the respect and space they give you. And what I am saying is no one needs to pay just because they are respected or given their space. What you are potentially reinforcing, is that your space and respect is somehow connected to being rewarded. So that if you stop paying, now you have a potentially disappointed tout on your hands who got used to your handouts for doing nothing more than just respecting you or giving you your space.
I really hope you change your mentality and understand that if you live in the DR that the relationships you have with Dominicans far outweighs the relationships you have with gringos and bros, Sosua has you insulated. Go to Spanish school, learn Spanish dancing and let the culture open up to you. Keep an open mind, don't analyze everything and take some things as they are Hanging in Sosua with the bros hating on putas, touts, and beggars will get you nowhere unless you want to be known as the mean gringo who nobody likes.With all due respect, you really have no clue what you are talking about. About my life, how I operate daily or the people I associate with. In Sosua or in the states. You are so far out of my loop it's ridiculous. And I am astonished that you would try to give me suggestions like you really know.
I would like to make a suggestion to you and a few others that need this. That you keep an open mind, and stop assuming wrongly and making fallacious judgements about people, as if message board posts represents the narrow lens you are seeing through. That means killing that noise about somebody analyzing everything, because that's BS, supposedly not taking some things as they are, more BS. Or the assumption that whatever you are assuming amounts to someone being known as the mean gringo. Where is all of this coming from, were not in a war?
In addition, I get more appreciation and respect from real folks that I associate with, that it's off the chain. It's to the point that I can't keep up with many of them. Many folks remember me, even if I forgot them. I would take their friendship / comraderie in real life any day over individuals judging my supposed character based on words on a message board. You also have no clue the dominicans I associate with, in or outside of the p4 p game. You know why you don't know about that? Because you are too busy judging only from message board posts, and never bothered to ask So I can't take your suggestion seriously. What it really boils down to is this. If anyone does not like what I have to say, just don't read it. Don't analyze me, don't give me suggestions, just put me on ignore, or bypass my posts when you see my handle. It's just that simple. Take responsibility for your own non enjoyment of my posts. I'm not being mean spirited either, I'm being serious.
Lastly, even you professed to feeling different about certain individuals from this forum, after relating to them in person. You were wrong to judge them then, and you are wrong doing it now with me. You know what that suggests to me? You have not resolved a problem with putting people places and things in their proper perspective when it comes to message boards. Words on a screen do not depict someones life or character. I figured out long ago that it is unwise to judge a persons overall character or their comprehensive perspective from a message board. Why in 2016 with all of the information that we have explaining the futility with misjudging folks, that some folks just can't grasp that?
It appears you are losing it here bro and that was not my intention. You act like this is your first time posting and people can't see inside of you. Folks have gotten tired of the negative image you always try to bestow on street Dominicans. If you don't want the advice that's cool. I and several other posters have asked nicely that you become more balanced with your reporting but you refused with your typical blame it on others routine. I'm done because I can see you know it all and I'm just wasting my time. Hopefully one day you will re-visit my posts to learn something before the Dominicans have to teach you the hard way.
Good luck my friend.
Parkinsons
11-08-16, 06:45
There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.So Spanish soccer fans constantly doing monkey chants and throwing bananas at black players, F1 spectators donning black faces to mock Lewis Hamilton, were reactionary expressions against the Moorish conquest? That's an interesting interpretation.
I read TomJackin's Barcelona report, he spoke of getting ripped off (mysterious charge of US $780) on his credit card. The only sessions he described in details, with fondness, were with hookers from -- gasp -- the DR.
Incidentally, the only adult that begged for money from me in Sosua, was a Spaniard. He claimed he's stuck in the DR due to some misfortune and asked for money to fly back to Spain (probably so he could get back to the highly educated hookers). I saw him again a few months later, and he was still telling me the same tale. I couldn't tell though if he only begged from tourists or from locals as well.
I will respond on the Sosua thread because you dragged my name in here.
It was my first trip to Barcelona and Madrid, so no, I'm not a season vet in Spain. Before I went, I did a lot of research and here are my two reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1907272#post1907272.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1904228#post1904228.
I really liked both cites and thought the food was great, but I do not consider either city a good mongering place.
You have your opinion, and I have mine.Yes, if you go to the clubs, it's very expensive. I go to the brothels. I use the throwaway newspapers, and lately Craigslist. Taxis can add up fast, too. I use public transportation. The only time I've ever taken a cab in Spain was once when we had to catch a bus and the trolleys didn't start running early enough. That was in Sevilla. So one cab in a total of probably eight months in Spain. In Barcelona especially, the subway runs quite late, I think until almost two AM. No hookers on Las Ramblas. The cops chase them away. Plenty of dope dealers though. Not sure what you meant by high season in Barcelona. Summer time? 150 a night is quite high. I like to go to Spain in the spring and fall. Too hot for me in the summer. My apartment in Valencia was 50 euro a night, very nice, even had a washing machine. Pio XII apartments. This apartment I am in, in Madrid, is 55 euro a night, but only has a half-size fridge and a two burner stove. It's near the Antón Martín metro stop, which is unfortunately closed for repairs, but there a couple of other stops within walking distance, and buses. I found this apartment 'boots on the ground' last time I was here and stayed in touch with the owner.
Why didn't you mention Medellin in Colombia, where the prices are so low it's hard to believe. I am in Medellin now, the weathers great, the women are beautiful, and you can get fucked for 30,000 CP = $ 10.Because I was talking about non-Third World destinations. Colombia is quite dangerous. I lived in Medellíand and had several issues in a short period of time, which is why I left. I agree the weather there is very good. I don't think the food is very good there either. The exchange rate was not as favorable at that time but yeah, you can get laid real cheap there. Or you can get killed.
Because I was talking about non-Third World destinations. Colombia is quite dangerous. I lived in Medelland and had several issues in a short period of time, which is why I left. I agree the weather there is very good. I don't think the food is very good there either. The exchange rate was not as favorable at that time but yeah, you can get laid real cheap there. Or you can get killed.Well I have spent a lot of time in Medellin in the last couple of years and don't consider Colombia to be a third world country. I have not had any problems here, find the people to be amazing, and there is good food here but you have to know where to go, however it doesn't compare to most other places in the world. Yes it can be dangerous here, but I don't walk the streets of El Centro late at night even though I can pass as a Colombian.
I find it odd that you had so many problems there, especially being fluent in Spanish. If you have red and or blond hair and blue eyes, well that might explain part of the problem you had there. Spain sounds like it would be fun and is on my list!
I'm inferring that you guys are implying that there is a lot of bullshit and drama, as well as avaricious and meretricious behavior going on in Sosa. I'd again invite you to consider Spain, where prices are transparent and the chances of someone trying to eat off of your plate are approximately asymptotic to zero. I am in Madrid now, and that is the second most expensive place in Spain for pussy, and it's still only 50 euro = $57 a half hour, and you don't got to buy them drinks or shit. Tom Jackin maybe was on his first trip to Spain, and hasn't responded about what venues he pursued, but I've been all over Latin Amrica and for a stay of a week or more, you dogs are barking up the wrong tree. And no crooked cops to think about, as that is a well-paying job in Spain, as is being a waiter. Imagine how much less bullshit you would go through if the answer to how much to tip was NEVER.
I'm just sayin' and I don't know who's black or white by reading the board (ja ja), but if you're black, go to southern Spain like Mlaga or Fuengirola, and if you are white go farther north. There is some prejudice against blacks in Spain, dating back to the Moorish Conquest, and all I can do about that is apologize, but US currency is all one color whereas euro notes are of many colors, so that in itself tells you something. You guys are talking about gringo pricing and mysterious charges on your bills, and I am thinking, why would anyone put up with that? In the DR you have high unemployment and low levels of education. In Spain you have high unemployment even among the more educated classes. Which situation will produce a better class of hookers? I will leave that up to you to decide.Going to Spain can be an option for someone wishing to explore something different. I think that is a good thing.
Personally I would pass on that option, because life in Sosua and the DR has been a great challenge for me from living in the US. It has been a journey complete with it's ups and downs, it's positives and it's negatives, And because of that, I am wise enough to know that you have to deal with the good and the bad just about every where you go. Now if somebody reading our discussions of certain negative aspects of Sosua, fails to grasp why someone would still want to come to Sosua or live here, that is completely on them. I can only think in one head. I don't feel what they feel, and I'm not subjected to anybody compartmentalizing what my life here supposedly represents to me. Especially since I am not a full time monger, absorbed with focusing my attention on women most of my day or nights. I have nothing against those that do, as I can definitely relate because I used to be a full time monger.
My role now is to provide a different perspective, but from ONE expats POV.
It appears you are losing it here bro and that was not my intention. You act like this is your first time posting and people can't see inside of you. Folks have gotten tired of the negative image you always try to bestow on street Dominicans. If you don't want the advice that's cool. I and several other posters have asked nicely that you become more balanced with your reporting but you refused with your typical blame it on others routine. I'm done because I can see you know it all and I'm just wasting my time. Hopefully one day you will re-visit my posts to learn something before the Dominicans have to teach you the hard way.
Good luck my friend.Mr G, You already know what I think about what something "appears" to be. Or what I supposedly "act" like. Or claiming I "always" bestow a negative image of street dominicans. There is no such thing as always. That is your contrived reality, not mine. I already explained here that I have my own focuses I wish to address. I don't have to change what I choose to focus on just to appease a very small group of individuals you decide to be the spoke mans for. I'm asking nicely that you and whomever you claim has a problem, stop trying to dictate what others choose to post, and instead just ignore the posts you do not like.
It is easier for you and others to do your part, rather than trying to get one person to change for everybody that supposedly has a problem. What about those reading that do not have a problem with what I choose to discuss. And in fact appreciate the information? Are they less important than a few disgruntled posters? What about the ADMIN? I would expect that he is monitoring this forum, and perhaps sees some value in what I've shared about my POV of life in the DR and Sosua.
Lastly, I've been living here for almost 2 1/2 yrs consistently. Living among dominicans of all types, expats, and interacting with vacationers, dated a dominican from the states for 5 yrs. During the course of that relationship, traveled and learned her culture and more of her language, interacted with all of her friends and family, here and back in the states. Weve known each other personally for less than a month, you've never lived in the DR full time and really only focus most of your attention and time on mongering in the DR, and you are going to tell me that dominicans have to teach me the hard way?
Mr G, your intent is crystal clear for your recent remarks. I do not accept people pissing on me and telling me its raining. It is what it is. My advice stands. Mr Oakie has got it right. He took matters in his own hands, and put me on ignore. Since then, I haven't heard a peep out of him, and that's how we kept the peace. If it works for him it will work for anybody. So use that ignore button. , that's the best option. When I see you in person, we can be normal people without the drama.
Mr G, You already know what I think about what something "appears" to be. Or what I supposedly "act" like. Or claiming I "always" bestow a negative image of street dominicans. There is no such thing as always. That is your contrived reality, not mine. I already explained here that I have my own focuses I wish to address. I don't have to change what I choose to focus on just to appease a very small group of individuals you decide to be the spoke mans for. I'm asking nicely that you and whomever you claim has a problem, stop trying to dictate what others choose to post, and instead just ignore the posts you do not like.
It is easier for you and others to do your part, rather than trying to get one person to change for everybody that supposedly has a problem..My brother using the " Ignore " button is not a solution to anything. I have never in ten years used the ignore button and don't know how. You seem to think we really care about you checking a girl on the beach asking for food or a tout. It's much more you have to offer living in Sosua. I speak for many when I ask you for more balance but for some reason you don't want to comply. That's sad. It makes some think you are walking around Sosua with blinders on and only focusing on the street beggars and not seeing the pretty girls. Who moves to Sosua to check street beggars and hang with the " Bros "? That's all you have given us. This is my last post here responding to you until you give us some useful information.
In closing It would benefit you to grow on your inability to finesse the Dominicans. You live there and you cannot always hide in Sosua with the bros. Dominicans are not the enemy and you are not at war. I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.
What does a six pack of Presidente (12 oz, or if not, give size) in a good sized supermarket? You can give it to me in dollars if you think that way, or in pesos and I'll look up the conversion. Just curious. I like that beer and always have one when I am in the Miami airport.
In Sosua, many of the guys I have met, and socialize with, mostly frown on having hustlers / touts involved in ones personal affairs, or having them tagging along supposedly there to help a monger. Especially with getting women in Sosua. As mongers many of us feel that it is our responsibility to learn the basics when it comes to language, learn the p4 p game, who to trust and who to avoid. And learn how to navigate in and around Sosua.
When we see mongers walking around the strip or in Sosua with a hustler / tout in tow, we do not consider that a good thing. Much of what a monger needs to know can come from other veteran mongers and expats, who usually don't have any sideways agenda except to help someone. When it comes to hustlers and touts on the other hand, there is no telling what they are after that may not be to your benefit, but definitely theirs. Their effectiveness in convincing their targets is dependent upon what their targets do not know. I have spared and enlightened a lot of fellow mongers and helped them to see that they do not really need them for everything, or to have them tag along with them everywhere they go.
We also explain how having a hustler tagging along, can be a clear sign to others, especially chicas that you are green and can possibly be taken advantage of. Living in the DR, I tend to socialize and interact with regular locals moreso than hustlers. I have 3 types of vehicles, and an apartment. So much of my direct interaction with locals has been with non hustlers, folks with businesses. Insurance agent, doctors / dentist office, farmacia, supermercados, Claro, Orange, the Impuestos oficina in Puerto Plata, car dealerships, golf car dealer, pasola dealers, hard ware stores, appliance stores. You name it, I'm sure you get the picture.
The point is, many expats and aware vacationers just do not have a use for hustlers or touts on any regular basis, if at all. Last year, a buddy of mine and I were riding our scooters to Cabarete. He caught a flat and had a bent rim. Immediately motos were stopping to help. We utilized one in particular, and he went directly to a young dominican who has a tire repair shop nearby. He came to the scene, realized he couldn't do anything there, so he left to get the MOPC officers to come help.
We all lifted the scooter into the back of their pickup truck, and went to the dominicans shop. It took awhile but eventually we found a temporary replacement rim, and he had us on our way. His job cost us 600 pesos, plus 500 pesos for the used rim we bought in Sosua. The moto asked for 100 pesos, I gave him 150. I gave the police 500 pesos for the lift.
All of that dominican interaction and non of that involved dealing with touts or hustlers. There are plenty of dominican people around to relate to without having to deal with a hustler or tout. Most of the things a typical monger may need, they can get it done themselves. And if they need information, there is usually someone around who knows where you can go. It does not have to come from a hustler or tout. Now when it comes to motoconcho drivers, I do not categorize all of them as hustlers / touts. Most of these men are known for their ability to help make life easier for the community at large. You need something, chances are they can get it for you. They will even stand in line to pay bills for you. Bring propane tanks to your door. The list is endless of the types of services a moto may provide. Everything involves direct pay upon services rendered.
My golf car ran out of gas 2 weeks ago, and a motoconcho stopped to assist me. I gave him some pesos, asked to get me some premium gas. He came back with the gas, put it in the tank, I thanked him and paid him and I was on my way. I can share countless stories of interactions with non hustler dominicans.
I had the colonel of the fire department come to my aid up at the AMET police dept, in Sosua November 2014. With his help, he was able to smooth things over with an irate crowd bent out of shape over an accident involving a kid that crashed into the side of my car. Even though I had the casa de conductor coverage, I did not have to use it. AMET allowed me to recover my papers, take my car home and come back to the station to fill out reports the following Monday. Once again, no hustlers or touts needed to get things done. After sharing this, this is why I resent any individual trying to pigeon hole other folks when they have no clue about that persons life and experiences, except what something "appears" to them from a message board.
One may ask, how does this all relate to getting pussy? Well that night, instead of me being put on detention, I spent the night in my own bed accompanied by one of my regulars who used to work at the Europa Bar. It just so happened she was a witness to the aftermath of the accident. So we spent the night swapping fluids and information.
In Sosua, many of the guys I have met, and socialize with, mostly frown on having hustlers / touts involved in ones personal affairs, or having them tagging along supposedly there to help a monger. Especially with getting women in Sosua. As mongers many of us feel that it is our responsibility to learn the basics when it comes to language, learn the p4 p game, who to trust and who to avoid. And learn how to navigate in and around Sosua.
When we see mongers walking around the strip or in Sosua with a hustler / tout in tow, we do not consider that a good thing. Much of what a monger needs to know can come from other veteran mongers and expats, who usually don't have any sideways agenda except to help someone. When it comes to hustlers and touts on the other hand, there is no telling what they are after that may not be to your benefit, but definitely theirs. Their effectiveness in convincing their targets is dependent upon what their targets do not know. I have spared and enlightened a lot of fellow mongers and helped them to see that they do not really need them for everything, or to have them tag along with them everywhere they go.
We also explain how having a hustler tagging along, can be a clear sign to others, especially chicas that you are green and can possibly be taken advantage of. Living in the DR, I tend to socialize and interact with regular locals moreso than hustlers. I have 3 types of vehicles, and an apartment. So much of my direct interaction with locals has been with non hustlers, folks with businesses. Insurance agent, doctors / dentist office, farmacia, supermercados, Claro, Orange, the Impuestos oficina in Puerto Plata, car dealerships, golf car dealer, pasola dealers, hard ware stores, appliance stores. ..This is your best report ever, thanks. Plenty of useful info to help others on the board you even went into details about swapping fluid LOL. That's what we have been asking for from the beginning, balance. You even shared some information about the accident that I knew about months ago, but I couldn't mention it because it was shared in a personal setting. I even wondered why you didn't have a go to Dominican executive to help you out but you just cleared that up and now I know. Regarding touts and street beggars all you have to do is ignore them. No need to engage them unless you feel they have some use now or in the future. But to challenge them about their motives is useless IMO. You are out boots on the ground so we appreciate your insight. I feel like the girl from " Waiting to exhale " who finally after many attempts found something they have been wanting for a long time and can finally exhale. Peace my brother.
I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.Your not the only one perplexed by this highly intelligent individual.
What does a six pack of Presidente (12 oz, or if not, give size) in a good sized supermarket? You can give it to me in dollars if you think that way, or in pesos and I'll look up the conversion. Just curious. I like that beer and always have one when I am in the Miami airport.Around 500 pesos dominicanos.
My chance to ask for your preferential destinations today.
My brother using the " Ignore " button is not a solution to anything. I have never in ten years used the ignore button and don't know how. You seem to think we really care about you checking a girl on the beach asking for food or a tout. It's much more you have to offer living in Sosua.
I speak for many when I ask you for more balance but for some reason you don't want to comply. That's sad. It makes some think you are walking around Sosua with blinders on and only focusing on the street beggars and not seeing the pretty girls. Who moves to Sosua to check street beggars and hang with the " Bros "? That's all you have given us. This is my last post here responding to you until you give us some useful information.
In closing It would benefit you to grow on your inability to finesse the Dominicans. You live there and you cannot always hide in Sosua with the bros. Dominicans are not the enemy and you are not at war. I've wasted a lot of time going back and forth and you just won't get it. You are a highly intelligent guy so it confuses me why you can't get something so basic.My brother, all you are saying adds up to you trying to dictate how me and others should post according to things that most likely steps on your toes. I suspect you see yourself somewhere in those messages. The crux of the problem, is that YOU probably do not want to read yourself in that. If you had a valid disagreement, or something substantive to prove what I shared was wrong, you would have provided it. You should have provided it. Void in that department.
Instead you try a different approach, the ad hominem approach. If You can't refute or disprove the message, attack the individual. Directly and indirectly. Use the friendly concern approach, the condescending approach, and the shame tactics approach, the your posts are unbalanced approach ( likes its written somewhere in the guidelines you have to be balanced in your messages ). Make up shit about his alleged mentality, his alleged participation in the DR etc. Say crap that he's worrying and that it takes away from YOUR reason for going to the DR. Making fallacious claims of other individuals have asked him not to post this or that. The dominicans are going to make you learn the hard way. A bunch of bull. Youve tried em all, and none of them have worked. I hope folks are paying attention to this? This is what you have to deal with in life. Stand up to it.
I never received one request from anybody, or in PM. And really? What exactly are they going to ask me to do or not to do? The truth is, this is ALL about you. The power you all have is put posters you do not want to hear from, on ignore. Or do not read their post. But you do not have the right to control what people post. You have elected yourself as the front man of what I should and should not post?
So Bro, I'm fully aware of all of those weak tactics and attempts that select individuals (on just about every message board) try to use to control people when they personally do not like the message, or they see themselves in that message. It's like the person is talking to them directly, and they can't stand to see themselves. We get it, you like dealing with hustlers / touts / beggars etc. So don't read my posts then, since it bothers you and your comrades that much. Simple.
Because I'm going to be honest, I am not going to stop expressing issues as I see fit. Since you have elected yourself the spokesman for other invisible and nameless posters, let me offer some support to other registered posters who might be subject to individuals like you who try to manipulate and control other forum members. If you have something to offer the forum, post it. Don't let controlling people try to dictate what you should post as if it is all about them. Its not all about them. We all have been given the privilege to post here when we joined. You think I'm going to let a few disgruntled individuals manipulate me out of that?
What I am going to do, is respectfully invite you to debate me on ONLY the issues and leave the ad hominems out of this, , where you express your POV give reasons and substance to support it, I in turn will express mine providing the same, and we go from there. If we disagree, or do not see eye to eye, so be it. But the nonsense before is going to stop.
Around 500 pesos dominicanos.My chance to ask for your preferential destinations today.$11 a six pack? Fuck. Count me out. Well, let's see. After last night's election results, I think we can rule out going to México as US citizens. Which I am, don't know about you. My favorite places in MX are Guadalajara and the central highlands such as San Miguel de Allende and San Luis Potosí, but I haven't been to México in a long time. Panamá is good for mongering but I don't like much else about it except cheap beer. I like the Guatemalan highlands but the mongering is not that great. For pure mongering Asuncióand, Paraguay is good but only in the winter and it's a bug infested third world shit hole. I spent seven years, almost, in Buenos Aires but the woman presidenta cracked down on the clubs and now it's only internet mongering, which is still pretty good. People ask me why I left Argentina and besides the crackdown, the low quality of everyday products and the inflation drove me nuts.
Thailand is a dictatorship now, Macau has some awesome hookers but they are expensive, I did not like Cambodia and all those places are too hot for me, as is the DR. I loved Australia and NZ but I was there when the Ozzie dollar was 50 cents and the kiwi was 37 cents, all-time lows. Costs would not be reasonable for most people at the current levels, which are still fairly low historically (Ozzie was at par with Canada at 75 cents last time I checked). Plus the flights to Oceania are a real *****.
So that leaves Europe, and I would say the hidden gem is probably Bratislava in Slovakia. Cheap everything there, and Vienna is a short train ride if you need more cultural stimulus. Spain I discussed before. Let me just say that Spain is very misunderstood as a "country"; it's a collection of very different regions with very different dialects, although given that Franco repressed the local languages such as euskera, català, valenciano, etc. , most people do speak and understand Castilian Spanish even if they may not like to admit it. So in Spain, my favorite cities are València, Barcelona, and Málaga. I am just in the process of my first extended stay in Madrid and I like it so far. Then the only other place I really like in Europe is Portugal. I've only been to Lisboa and along the southern coast, and only mongered in Lisboa. English is much more widely spoken in Portugal than in Spain, and if you do not know portuguese, but do know spanish and english, go with english. Those two countries' relationship was probably best described to me thusly by a gentleman from Lisboa who owns a store in Faro: 'We love them because they are our neighbors, but otherwise we hate them. ' Lisboa not only has good mongering but a great transportation system. However, the food and drink is not on a par with Spain. It's inexpensive, though. Both iberian countries have high apartment vacancy rates and high unemployment rates. Portugal probably has more natural beauty than Spain. Another European country I liked was Croatia, but I was with someone and did not monger there. It is inexpensive as well. Food is so-so and the beer is good.
I've also been to North Africa and have no desire to go back. Ever.
Personally, at this point I am leaning towards going back to Antigua, Guate. They don't care how long you stay as long as you leave for three days every 90 days, and even if you overstay, the fine is ridiculously low, and maxes out at some ridiculously low level, maybe 1000 quetzales? Or maybe it is 1. 500.7. 5 q = 1 US dollar and that exchange rate is managed and has been stable for several years.
Oh, and I like Quito, Ecuador too although the weather is not the best. June through August are the dry months, which are the wettest months in Centroamérica, so that works out well. Cheap, I like the food, they use the US dollar which is handy if your assets are denominated in US dollars. Kinda dangerous though. IMO Ecuador is not as dangerous as Colombia, Honduras, or Venezuela. I have not been to El Salvador, which also uses the dollar (as does Panamá) and is also supposed to be pretty dangerous. No sane person would consider Venezuela at this point, which is too bad because the women there are the most beautiful in all of LatAm, IMO. The good news is, there are plenty of venezolana hookers in Spain and Portugal.
So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, València, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Málaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Málaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.
So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, Valncia, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Mlaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Mlaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.Thanks for the "beer drinking mongers quick flying overview of monger's world", DH. I share the interests you mention, especially hookers, history and beer! You may have saved me some money.
I'm in Canada and miss Presidente, but a buddy brings it over the U.S. border for me. Don't know how much he pays for it though. Maybe if that yoooge wall goes up it'll cost more!
Funny to hear about Bratislava though as a mongering destination. A couple years after the Wall came down we drove down there from Warsaw. It was a beautiful sunny day, but it seemed the whole city (downtown) was deserted. Never saw the people. We found a small restaurant for lunch and moved on. I can't see it in the same league as Prague, or Budapest, and certainly not Sosua! But probably hoards of tourist business now.
Well, I would assume that there are one or two readers who like tall, leggy blondes with big tits for 50-70 euro an hour, and that's what you have in Bratislava. I'd say 80% of the hookers are Slovakian, but I could be wrong since I can't speak a word of the language. I can learn new languages, but not new alphabets. The Old Town is pretty cool. Some of the bars are actual caves and I think it dates all the way back to the XIII century. Public transport is good, buses and streetcars, and it has a good public library with SOME English books. A few. The food there is hard for me to evaluate because a lot of the time I had no idea what I was eating. I had an apartment and a kitchen but even in the grocery store it was hard for me to figure out what the fuck I was buying. Some bartenders speak some English, but no one in the grocery stores. Very few waiters. So I ate quite a bit of pizza when I did eat out, or would sometimes order off the fixed lunch menu without any idea of what I was getting, and often after I ate it, I had no idea what it was. One thing about that country, and this applies to Hungary and the Czech Republic as well, is they have very high alcoholism rates. They drink, a lot, and the hard stuff, which I gave up a few years back. And, at least in Bratislava, they drink on the job. That's probably suboptimal. Got to remember, it was a long time between when the wall came down and when they got into the EU. They had just gotten in maybe a year before I went there.
$11 a six pack? Fuck. Count me out. Well, let's see. After last night's election results, I think we can rule out going to Mxico as US citizens. Which I am, don't know about you. My favorite places in MX are Guadalajara and the central highlands such as San Miguel de Allende and San Luis Potos, but I haven't been to Mxico in a long time. Panam is good for mongering but I don't like much else about it except cheap beer. I like the Guatemalan highlands but the mongering is not that great. For pure mongering Asunciand, Paraguay is good but only in the winter and it's a bug infested third world shit hole. I spent seven years, almost, in Buenos Aires but the woman presidenta cracked down on the clubs and now it's only internet mongering, which is still pretty good. People ask me why I left Argentina and besides the crackdown, the low quality of everyday products and the inflation drove me nuts.
Thailand is a dictatorship now, Macau has some awesome hookers but they are expensive, I did not like Cambodia and all those places are too hot for me, as is the DR. I loved Australia and NZ but I was there when the Ozzie dollar was 50 cents and the kiwi was 37 cents, all-time lows. Costs would not be reasonable for most people at the current levels, which are still fairly low historically (Ozzie was at par with Canada at 75 cents last time I checked). Plus the flights to Oceania are a real *****.
So that leaves Europe, and I would say the hidden gem is probably Bratislava in Slovakia. Cheap everything there, and Vienna is a short train ride if you need more cultural stimulus. Spain I discussed before. Let me just say that Spain is very misunderstood as a "country"; it's a collection of very different regions with very different dialects, although given that Franco repressed the local languages such as euskera, catal, valenciano, etc. , most people do speak and understand Castilian Spanish even if they may not like to admit it. So in Spain, my favorite cities are Valncia, Barcelona, and Mlaga. I am just in the process of my first extended stay in Madrid and I like it so far. Then the only other place I really like in Europe is Portugal. I've only been to Lisboa and along the southern coast, and only mongered in Lisboa. English is much more widely spoken in Portugal than in Spain, and if you do not know portuguese, but do know spanish and english, go with english. Those two countries' relationship was probably best described to me thusly by a gentleman from Lisboa who owns a store in Faro: 'We love them because they are our neighbors, but otherwise we hate them. ' Lisboa not only has good mongering but a great transportation system. However, the food and drink is not on a par with Spain. It's inexpensive, though. Both iberian countries have high apartment vacancy rates and high unemployment rates. Portugal probably has more natural beauty than Spain. Another European country I liked was Croatia, but I was with someone and did not monger there. It is inexpensive as well. Food is so-so and the beer is good.
I've also been to North Africa and have no desire to go back. Ever.
Personally, at this point I am leaning towards going back to Antigua, Guate. They don't care how long you stay as long as you leave for three days every 90 days, and even if you overstay, the fine is ridiculously low, and maxes out at some ridiculously low level, maybe 1000 quetzales? Or maybe it is 1. 500.7. 5 q = 1 US dollar and that exchange rate is managed and has been stable for several years.
Oh, and I like Quito, Ecuador too although the weather is not the best. June through August are the dry months, which are the wettest months in Centroamrica, so that works out well. Cheap, I like the food, they use the US dollar which is handy if your assets are denominated in US dollars. Kinda dangerous though. IMO Ecuador is not as dangerous as Colombia, Honduras, or Venezuela. I have not been to El Salvador, which also uses the dollar (as does Panam) and is also supposed to be pretty dangerous. No sane person would consider Venezuela at this point, which is too bad because the women there are the most beautiful in all of LatAm, IMO. The good news is, there are plenty of venezolana hookers in Spain and Portugal.
So that is just one beer drinking monger's opinion. I am also a history and museum afficionado and there is sure plenty of that in the iberian countries. Madrid, Valncia, and Barcelona are all full of parks, museums, sculpture, etc. Mlaga not so much, although they do have one of the better Picasso museums, given that he was from there. Estark II between Mlaga and Fuengirola is a hell of a good brothel.Thanks for the GREAT READ Dickhead.
Why is that though? In some countries I notice the beggars will only beg from foreigners and not from locals. I was in Boca Chica with my girl when that young pimp guy came asking me for money to eat. I told him to ask my girl thinking she knew better being a local. He said he would go hunt on the strip first. About 20 minutes later he came back and said there were no foreigners out there. I'm then wondering well why didn't he ask some locals? Then he asked my girl and instead of cussing him out she gave him 200 pesos. Later on I teased her about it telling her how naive she was.
Then in the Philippines I was taking a trike with my girl. I was inside of the sidecar while she was on the back of the bike with the driver. The driver stopped at a light and a little girl bypassed both of them and came to me in the sidecar with her hand out. I reached my girl's purse out to her but she would not touch it. Later I asked my girl why the girl would not take the purse and neither asked her nor the driver for money. She said because I am a foreigner.
Evidently they are not in that bad of need if they can discriminate among who they are going to beg from.A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.
A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.Enough already!
CBA 1. 01
Hate to break it to y'all, but beggars, gasp, profile!
Like robbers, they go where the money is.
A lot of locals know the game and may be struggling themselves. It's also counterproductive for a working girl to give handouts when she isn't attracted to 90% of her clientele / hates her job and may have a family of 12 subjecting their dead weight / freeloading and smooching on her. Psychologically they see foreigners as marks and easy prey.Of course. The average wage in the DR in 2014 was about $14,000 pesos per month, which is about $300 in US money. The average salary in the US varies wildly from state to state, but even the minimum wage is at least 4 x more than the Dominican average.
Of course a lot of things are cheaper in the DR, but consumer good are not, medicines are not, gasoline is not, cooking gas is not, nutrients like milk powder for babies are not. Few people in the DR have air conditioning in their homes in the stifling heat, and even if they have electric fans to sleep at night, the power often goes out. When people cook with gas in their kitchens, the heat and humidity of the whole apartment becomes unbearable.
However a lot of people who post on this board use the argument that since they themselves were born into poverty (in the US or Canada) and worked their way into a position of financial independence, then it is just as easy for the average Dominican to do the same thing.
There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.
Of course. The average wage in the DR in 2014 was about $14,000 pesos per month, which is about $300 in US money. The average salary in the US varies wildly from state to state, but even the minimum wage is at least 4 x more than the Dominican average.
Of course a lot of things are cheaper in the DR, but consumer good are not, medicines are not, gasoline is not, cooking gas is not, nutrients like milk powder for babies are not. Few people in the DR have air conditioning in their homes in the stifling heat, and even if they have electric fans to sleep at night, the power often goes out. When people cook with gas in their kitchens, the heat and humidity of the whole apartment becomes unbearable.
However a lot of people who post on this board use the argument that since they themselves were born into poverty (in the US or Canada) and worked their way into a position of financial independence, then it is just as easy for the average Dominican to do the same thing.
There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.I don't know your sources in regard to the average wages but anybody with an elementary knowledge of statistics should realize averages are very misleading. I am willing to bet that the median wages are far below 14 K making the poverty issue in DR far more acute. This is not a critique of your posting with which I agree wholeheartdly. Greetings.
I don't know your sources in regard to the average wages but anybody with an elementary knowledge of statistics should realize averages are very misleading. I am willing to bet that the median wages are far below 14 K making the poverty issue in DR far more acute. This is not a critique of your posting with which I agree wholeheartdly. Greetings.Yeah, I realize that. The numbers came from a report in Dominican Today. Average figures are always misleading and of course can vary in different parts of the country and so on, so all they can do is give you are broad idea. The median wage must, by definition, be higher than the minimum wage. Anyhow, we know that earnings of individuals are much, much lower than in the US, even when you adjust for some price differences like health care, which is much, much more expensive in the US.
The point about the begging is that a Dominican is much, much less likely to have $5 dollars to spare than a tourist. When I was living in Sosua, I used to go to a restaurant where I got a wonderful breakfast for 150 pesos (about 4 dollars US money). There was bacon, fresh eggs, fried potatoes, fruit salad with five types of fresh fruit, three types of breads, jam, butter, cafe con leche, a glass of water. Much better than any breakfast I can find in the US even at double or triple the price. But I never saw local Dominicans eating there, only tourists and their companions, and I am sure that the reason was that the price was still way out of the budget of average working Dominicans. For same reason, you hardly ever see Dominicans buying two seats in a shared taxi to give themselves more space, but tourists and expats often do this, even though the reason why they are traveling in a public taxi is to save money.
It just amazes me that people simply don't understand that the vast majority of Dominicans do not have the same level of income as tourists and expats when the evidence is all around them, and all they have to do is ask.
Tempoecorto
11-13-16, 19:10
There are plenty of people on these boards living off inherited money, government retirement pensions, military retirement, law enforcement retirement, disability pensions, and who have benefited from government grants and loans for their own education, have retired with Medicare insurance, but they don't want to talk about this (which is understandable for reasons of confidentiality) and would rather badmouth Dominicans and Haitians for being born with fewer economic and educational opportunities, probably because it makes them feel superior.Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.
Parkinsons
11-13-16, 20:42
I got a wonderful breakfast for 150 pesos (about 4 dollars US money). There was bacon, fresh eggs, fried potatoes, fruit salad with five types of fresh fruit, three types of breads, jam, butter, cafe con leche, a glass of water. Much better than any breakfast I can find in the US even at double or triple the price. But I never saw local Dominicans eating there, only tourists and their companions, and I am sure that the reason was that the price was still way out of the budget of average working Dominicans.Or possibly they just don't like the food. Do they have salami, mangu and avocado? Dominicans will choose those over bacon and croissants. Likewise at the hotels I stayed in China, rice porridge and steamed buns are always more popular than sausage and scrambled eggs.
In Sosua I eat almost exclusively at the Dominican restaurant near City Light. It's always busy with locals, meals are around 200 pesos.
The DR has been getting pummeled with a lot of rain this rainy season. I believe we've had consistent rain daily and nightly for over 3 weeks straight (particularly in Sosua) With perhaps 3 or 4 dry mornings and afternoons. But eventually by early evening it rains again. Many folks from around the world are getting reports of severe flooding in many areas throughout the DR. But not everywhere are people experiencing devastating consequences.
The good thing here in Sosua, is, many guys are making the best of all of this damn rain. People have adapted by moving about when the rain stops for a little while. By the time it picks back up again, they might be at their destination already. If not, they wait the rain out and move when the coast is clear.
The rain has definitely had some affect on beach time. Beach goers have gone to the beach, and eventually had to deal with major down pours. Having to seek refuge inside of restaurants and bars. Noticeably the beach has been baron on very cloudy days. Assuming folks do not care to be caught in the rain.
Hung out at Flame Bar last night. Flame Bar used to be called Winners Circle. Before, the bar used to be in the center of the room. This time it is off to the right with stools. Around the perimeter are more stools, and on the left side and rear are some soft lounge couches.
It was a buddies birthday. He originally tried to have his party up in Classicos, but ended up at the Flame Bar. I like it, because it was a cozier atmosphere than I think Classicos would have been. Plus, I don't go to Classicos anyway, so it suit me just fine. Of course where potential clients go, the women will follow. So every now and then, women came by to investigate for themselves.
We all chipped in for food, drink and a cake. The bartenders were very nice, and also were a part of our celebration.
I have to say, Sosua's talent (and I only mean volume and attractiveness) has picked up since earlier this year. There are always new chicas coming to Sosua seeking work. And like many, these are the ones guys like to check out before they become hardcore. I was out Saturday Night for a little while, and Bourbon Street was full with chicas. Went to Merengue Bar, and that place almost had no available seats. It reminded me of 5 years ago, before they put up the windows and doors outside each bar. There were wall to wall chicas. A guy had his pick of available attractive chicas. It was lively, it was jumping.
Normally I prefer tranquility, and I would usually be home with my own company early evening. But that night was really refreshing seeing that Sosua is not losing itself, just re inventing itself. Of course, it should be noted, that just because there are a lot of nice looking chicas, and many are ready and available, that does not mean that all of these chicas will go with a guy if he doesn't meet their financial expectations.
I have talked to quite a few guys and many have claimed they have run into women that have expectations of getting paid 3000 for an hour, 5000 for an hour, up to a couple of hundred dollars for ST or TLN. Even average looking women are coming at guiys like that. Many not budging either. Over a month ago a cute Haitian chica quoted me 6000 for TLN, then switched to 4000. I declined both offers, and now she has an attitude. But she never stops getting clients, and guys have heard her high expectations like I have.
Of course some instances it's just the chicas trying to negotiate high and hoping to settle somewhere next to their expectations. However, a lot of guys do not negotiate. A guy offers her a reasonable price, and the chica gives them some ridiculous high price, they will just walk away. And that's even after the chica immediately comes down. For some guys they figure a chica not getting her original price, may compensate her sense of loss by providing crappy service. For some guys, if a chica only went up 500 pesos from his offer that chica might of had some business. But it also may depend on how she comes at the guy when she addresses it and / or how much the guy wants the girl.
I think Mr E was in town almost 2 months ago? We sat at Bourbon Street ( on the strip ) and I watched him stop and briefly interview several chicas, and almost all of them had some high ass price / expectations. And enough of them wouldn't even budge or negotiate. They just walked off, almost as if they were insulted that he wasn't willing to pay them what they wanted. . I got to see/hear that devilish laugh he's got after they gave him their figure. In fact, that might be more of why they walked off in a huff, than learning what he was willing to pay. Eventually after going through enough of them, he found one that made the cut.
Good read, thanks for posting. Mr E probably told the Chica's to pay him just to play with them. Surprised at the starting prices but with the rain maybe girls will become more reasonable. It's funny because we have beautiful weather here in Florida but I can't wait to get to the DR and the rain in a couple days LOL.
Good read, thanks for posting. Mr E probably told the Chica's to pay him just to play with them. Surprised at the starting prices but with the rain maybe girls will become more reasonable. It's funny because we have beautiful weather here in Florida but I can't wait to get to the DR and the rain in a couple days LOL.I have several theories to why some of these chicas are quoting high prices. Anybody else can weigh in.
1) In the last 2 or 3 yrs, a lot more chicas are driving cars now. Many if not most bought by foreigners. Many of these same men are spending big bucks to maintain these women as well. Other chicas see this, as well as chicas sharing intel with other chicas how they bagged a "rich" foreigner. The idea, is that these chicas know there is a lot of money at our disposal. And they know that enough of us cant wait to give it away, given the opportunity.
2) IMO a lot of chicas are not humble in the game as you or I may remember from years past. Where chicas seemed more appreciative and grateful if they were chosen. Enough of these chicas today act like they are doing you a favor by giving you the time of day. I heard enough talk about the value of them sharing their pussy with a man. In other words, enough chicas have got the big head. Swollen, acting like they are all that.
By now many guys have heard of the infamous Daniela. She has gotten quite thick after she had her daughter a few years ago. She's kinda bounced back, looks good if you like them thick like that. But she has been taken care of by men for a number of years. Learned English, drives her SUV and who knows what else she has going for herself. My point is, she does not sell herself cheap. She comes off as her pussy is super valuable. And if you want to have some, you got to pay.
A guy I know just told me that he used to kick it with her a lot. And recently he had tried to hook up and she let him know that he had to come up with 5000 pesos in order to play. All that past history didn't mean jack. She requires at least 5000 pesos. Even though he said she will fuck the shit out of you, he declined. Nevertheless, she must get what she expects, because I see her in BS with clients all the time. Funny to me, is seeing her drive off in her SUV with her captured prey.
You can best believe a lot of the better looking chicas, they definietly have the big head about their pussy value. And have no problem telling a monger some ridiculous price for their time / pussy.
3) Enough chicas are simply learning from other chicas. Taking whatever information or lessons in on how they should go about their hustle. Enough have learned that they can get their price moreso than being turned down. And besides, if enough of these chicas have a quota for lets say a month, they can easily manage that. They may not have to have a bunch of clients per day or week. Another thing is, enough of these chicas especially the good looking ones, they already have WU novios sending them money. So they arent completely broke. Coming to Sosua may be just to earn pocket change, socialize and mentor other chicas.
IMO there are chicas that are broke, because they arent getting any business, and there are chicas pretending to be broke. Those are the types that can get sympathy money off of foreigners. In addition, enough chicas save money by keeping their money while spending the foreigners money. Every pesos counts. So if a chica can get food, drinks, groceries, gifts, money from sob stories, all of that can be applied to lets say her rent at one of the local hotels they stay at.
4) BS has pretty much taken over Rumbas function. But unlike Rumba bar or the restaurant, Bourbon Street can be perceived as an "upscale" restaurant. Some of the pricier items on the menu are 750 and up. And chicas see plenty of guys having no problems or reservations spending that kind of money on what they want to eat and drink. And from that, may assume that we can afford paying $100 for some pussy, even if it's only an hour. Guys buying 250 peso meals from Rumba restaurant may not give these chicas the same impression. Of course we cant under estimate the impact of chicas seeing us manage the expense of hotels,car rentals, flights, dining, paying for pussy, the expensive stuff we bring on vacation, and anything else.
If you pay attention what chicas order at BS it's usually, cervezas (grande or pequena) , soda, maybe a mixed drink, a plate of french fries, or a plate of garlic bread. Thats what most will spend to justify taking up a seat in BS. If they can eye lash bat and flirt with a guy into inviting them to his table to eat or drink, it's better for them. It seems a lot of guys are learning that game, and aren't quick to be buying food or drinks just because some chick smiled at them. I have to say, a lot of the chicas that hang out in BS kinda look a little frustrated and desperate while hoping to snag a client. When they do though, them muggs look happy as hell, especially when they are walking out with them. They have that "LOOK AT ME YA'LL I HAVE A CUSTOMER. " "Hold my seat girl, I just might be back shortly. " "Order another round of garlic bread, on me".
Mr Enternational
11-15-16, 14:20
Any word what is going up in D'latin's old space?
I have several theories to why some of these chicas are quoting high prices. Anybody else can weigh in.
You can best believe a lot of the better looking chicas, they definietly have the big head about their pussy value. And have no problem telling a monger some ridiculous price for their time / pussy.
It has always been that way when men pay women for sex. The correct price for pussy is what the market will stand. Like airlines. The exact same seat on the exact same plane on the exact same route might be double the price 24 hours later if there is greater demand or the flight arrives at a more convenient time, or with less connection time.
Either chicas are giving high estimated quotes because they think they can get close to those prices, or they are quoting prices that they don't think they will get, because they would just as soon pass on that particular customer unless he wants to make her an offer she cannot refuse. However like airline seats, you may get better deals on last minute deals, or deals at odd times of day, or if there are cancellations. Or if you work for the airline.
It seems logical that better-looking chicas would be looking for higher prices than more average or ugly chicas, since sexual attraction is usually related to physical attractiveness. You also have to take into account that looking better also costs more in terms of salon care, dental care (if needed), hooker costumes, and so on, so the better looking chicas will probably have a higher overhead.
Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.You are right that probably very few have inherited money, but most a pretty cagey about revealing their source of income, which is entirely understandable, but then when you get into discussions about the cost of living in the DR, it is not always easy to know how much people are trying to live on. For example, a single man in the New York City or Miami areas who had a modest home with the mortgage paid off may be able to sell it and buy a palatial residence in the DR with the proceeds, giving Dominicans the appearance of great wealth, when he was just an ordinary Joe in New York or Miami.
It has always been that way when men pay women for sex. The correct price for pussy is what the market will stand. Like airlines. The exact same seat on the exact same plane on the exact same route might be double the price 24 hours later if there is greater demand or the flight arrives at a more convenient time, or with less connection time.
Either chicas are giving high estimated quotes because they think they can get close to those prices, or they are quoting prices that they don't think they will get, because they would just as soon pass on that particular customer unless he wants to make her an offer she cannot refuse. However like airline seats, you may get better deals on last minute deals, or deals at odd times of day, or if there are cancellations. Or if you work for the airline.
It seems logical that better-looking chicas would be looking for higher prices than more average or ugly chicas, since sexual attraction is usually related to physical attractiveness. You also have to take into account that looking better also costs more in terms of salon care, dental care (if needed), hooker costumes, and so on, so the better looking chicas will probably have a higher overhead.Using your airline example, but from an aware mongers potential perspective, there are a lot of airlines in the p4 p industry, as opposed to aviation. And that means a monger can choose to fly any puta airline that meets his budget, and accommodations.
Each p4 p airline can adjust their fares accordingly because of their alleged overhead (salon, uniforms, medical / dental and so on). They generally do that because they are in competition ( with other puta airlines ) for the mongers business. But their expenses/overhead isn't the mongers problem or concern. Mongers don't typically care how much women pay with their own money, to beautify themselves.
We don't generally see mongers in the salon advising putas on how they should wear their hair, or what clothes they should put on to attract business. That is all on them what they feel they need to do, hoping to stand out from their competition.
So a puta airline can pay all of those expenses and try to pass that expense over to the monger. And a monger can say, thanks but no thanks. I have other options. There are too many other puta airlines out here to choose from. And of course a puta airline can bag another monger more than willing to meet her price.
What most aware mongers probably want that ranks just as high as appearance, is good fucking service. Because all of that beautification doesn't mean a damn thing if a monger can't get the service that comes with the look. And that is what enough of these egotistical airlines fail to grasp. They come up with ridiculous prices, but enough often fail to provide the service the customer was hoping he was paying for.
Yeah a particular puta airline might get a mongers business that one time because of a decent presentation. But if the service was shitty or non existent, they aren't likely to get repeat business or good references. If anything poor reviews may circulate resulting in losing potential business. That goes for the attractive ones, the ugly ones and anyone in between.
After talking to enough mongers. Many prefer a non flashy puta airline that provides a decent presentation and outstanding service (worth giving repeat business to) than an airline spending a grip on a facade with no substance behind it. A puta airline surviving mostly on new customers instead of new and repeat business, may say a lot about the kind of service one might expect from them.
But their expenses/overhead isn't the mongers problem or concern. Mongers don't typically care how much women pay with their own money, to beautify themselves.
We don't generally see mongers in the salon advising putas on how they should wear their hair, or what clothes they should put on to attract business. That is all on them what they feel they need to do, hoping to stand out from their competition. Yes, but mongers can, if they wish, apply a bit of common sense, like using an airport with lower taxes like Santiago, rather than Puerto Plata so as to save money.
What most aware mongers probably want that ranks just as high as appearance, is good fucking service. I don't know how many times I have to explain this. The girls you meet in the DR are not licensed professional with mission statements about customer service. They are just on the street to meet a short term or medium term financial goal, like making the payment for their phone tomorrow, buying a medication, paying back money borrowed from a friends, or sending home so many pesos at the end of the week. Believe me, they are not wracking their brains thinking about how to make Wrx2005 a repeat customer. They are thinking about the 3000 pesos they need by tomorrow.
Yeah a particular puta airline might get a mongers business that one time because of a decent presentation. But if the service was shitty or non existent, they aren't likely to get repeat business or good references. If anything poor reviews may circulate resulting in losing potential business. That goes for the attractive ones, the ugly ones and anyone in between. Well, there are different models for prostitution. Some may prefer using their looks to get expensive one-offs, others may prefer using their personality and sexual skills to get repeat business. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner. Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.
A puta surviving mostly on new customers instead of new and repeat business, may say a lot about the kind of service one might expect from them.Quite so, she probably doesn't care very much for the company of sex tourists outside of their ATM role. So use your skills and avoid her.
I don't know how many times I have to explain this. The girls you meet in the DR are not licensed professional with mission statements about customer service. They are just on the street to meet a short term or medium term financial goal, like making the payment for their phone tomorrow, buying a medication, paying back money borrowed from a friends, or sending home so many pesos at the end of the week. Believe me, they are not wracking their brains thinking about how to make Wrx2005 a repeat customer. They are thinking about the 3000 pesos they need by tomorrow.Exactly when did desiring good service indicate or imply a monger expects a woman to be or perform like a licensed professional? Better yet. Explain the difference between the good services I'm referring to, VS the good services of the licensed professionals you are referring to? Since I'm sure you do not have a clue, maybe you ought to realize what I said has very little to do with your statement.
Well, there are different models for prostitution. Some may prefer using their looks to get expensive one-offs, others may prefer using their personality and sexual skills to get repeat business. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner. Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.
Quite so, she probably doesn't care very much for the company of sex tourists outside of their ATM role. So use your skills and avoid her.True a lot of men may not be interested in repeat business, but many men DO value repeat business as well as enjoy having regulars. Women don't become regulars (to mongers) because they are consistent in providing lousy service. Many if not most chicas in the p4 p game, they have demonstrated that THEY DO want repeat business. They do value references, and they do value being someones regular.
So just because a woman may be dense, uneducated, non professional, non licensed or not wracking their brains, only thinking about the money. Those not getting repeat business or good references, or elevated to regular status, they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences for their ignorance, selfishness, prima donna attitude, or whatever their deficiency may be.
See, I'm not a female / woman apologist or sympathizer. I support the notion, that if a woman wants or needs something in life, from other people, then she needs to earn it, just like men are always expected to earn. Not having training or education on how to be a successful puta is no excuse for not being able to figure out what it may take to keep the business flowing.
They ( women ) have a right to be selective in what types of things they do, and who they do it with. They might be having a bad day, or not feeling like doing this or that. But if they fail or fall short, they only have themselves to blame. For the most part, most of these women only have a short window of opportunity to work with anyway. At some point in time, their value will plummet a lot faster than the mongers they wish to continue getting business from.
A lot of men are not interested in repeat business, because sexual excitement is often related to curiosity and the novelty of a new partner.Let\s expand on other possibilities. A lot of men are not interested in repeat business because sexual excitement or interest is often related to the impression and type of business that was provided the 1st time. A lot of chicas lose the opportunity for repeat business because their initial business opportunity failed to produce the results that might give a man reason to repeat. Which may mean the man's curiosity may still be intact, but his interest in repeating in order to satisfy that curiosity is non existent. Many men have aborted sexual encounters with chicas, because the 1st encounter was enough warning not to waste time or money on them again.
Moreover, that same individual may share with others, who in turn may take his information / experience under advisement, and leave that chica alone as well. In other words, in order to get repeat business, a chica may need to get past her 1st business encounter. Especially if she may want or expects some man to repeat with her. It's common knowledge enough DR chicas in the p4 p game are clueless or just plain dumb. I've seen many chicas try to get repeat business from guys they turned off, gave bad or mediocre service to, stole from the guy, gave the dude a hard time, talking or texting too much on their cell phones, a whole bunch of shit. And then got the nerve to catch an attitude because some guy doesn't want to be bothered.
Personally I have often repeated a second time with someone I really liked, but less frequently a third time, and even less frequently a fourth time, because by then, as the late BB King would have said, the thrill was gone.Makes sense. But it is also a fact for enough men, that absence makes the dick grow fonder. You stop fucking a chica you thoroughly enjoyed, let's say for a few weeks or a few months, the dick will reset it's interest in that pussy in order to experience what it missed. Upon return, that pussy and the thrill of hitting it, will be like brand spanking new.
The lesson here, is don't under estimate the value repeat business is to these p4 p chicas. Garnering repeat business is more necessary than some of these chicas may realize. Enough DR p4 p chicas are very foolish in that regard. Some get it and some don't. Thats why I like hearing stories from other mongers, of how many of the Brazilian and Colombian women view their role when they are in the p4 p game. Many take pride in what they do while they are earning. And enough feel it's their duty to make sure their partners are satisfied. And if not, many desire to do what it takes to facilitate satisfaction. Resulting in more potential for repeat business.
But here in the DR? There seems to be more indifference in the attitudes of enough DR women than concern of pleasing their partners. Of course much depends on the individuals. But I'm sure there are enough men reading this, that can relate to what I'm saying.
Mr Enternational
11-17-16, 14:21
Thats why I like hearing stories from other mongers, of how many of the Brazilian and Colombian women view their role when they are in the p4 p game. Many take pride in what they do while they are earning. And enough feel it's their duty to make sure their partners are satisfied. And if not, many desire to do what it takes to facilitate satisfaction. Resulting in more potential for repeat business.
But here in the DR? There seems to be more indifference in the attitudes of enough DR women than concern of pleasing their partners. Of course much depends on the individuals. But I'm sure there are enough men reading this, that can relate to what I'm saying.And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.
And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.Imma beat them to the punch. We both know, somebody is probably thinking and come back with "Well if you don't like the service DR women put out, then why do you keep dealing with them, why not just go to Brazil or Colombia where you can get the service you claim to want?"
Answer: Because nobody is claiming they didn't or don't like the service that all DR women put out. And nobody said all DR women act or perform the same. What is being addressed does not apply to ALL DR women, only to those that fits the criteria / information. Those that don't fit the criteria, they are not the ones anyone is concerned about. .
http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdict
Tempoecorto
11-17-16, 21:35
Answer: Because nobody is claiming they didn't or don't like the service that all DR women put out. And nobody said all DR women act or perform the same. What is being addressed does not apply to ALL DR women, only to those that fits the criteria / information. Those that don't fit the criteria, they are not the ones anyone is concerned about. .There is a rule known as that of 80/20. Looks like you have sucked a lot of oxygen to prove that, once again! Kudos!
Actually, I thought the chicas in Sosua performed better than the Colombians in Bogota. Might have been because I went to La Pasion in Sosua (3500 Pesos LNT) and in Bogota the cheap ass casas where I payed 7-10 $ bucks for 20 minutes.
The top girls that I've had in Spain have been from Brazil, Venezuela and Paraguay.
There is a rule known as that of 80/20. Looks like you have sucked a lot of oxygen to prove that, once again! Kudos!Actually I have you to thank for that. Way back when I shared a post of my experience staying at Mary Rose and gave a report. And here you are today responding to this post. Mental telepathy is a mutha fukker.
Actually, I thought the chicas in Sosua performed better than the Colombians in Bogota. Might have been because I went to La Pasion in Sosua (3500 Pesos LNT) and in Bogota the cheap ass casas where I payed 7-10 $ bucks for 20 minutes.
The top girls that I've had in Spain have been from Brazil, Venezuela and Paraguay.Well damn bruh, you know how long ago that must have been when you went to Sosua for that? A whole different generation of chicas were on the scene then. Back then, I recall a lot more hand holding of couples walking down the street or on the beach. A lot more Toda La Noche and GFE back then than what we see today, IMO.
Parkinsons
11-18-16, 05:45
And that was the knockout punch. Guys that know Colombia and Brazil can attest to how shitty DR service is. Guys that don't know make excuses for DR putas whose shitty level of service would not last 1 day in Colombia or Brazil. For some reason in DR I see the level of service inverse to the price. Cheap ass GBP in Santo Domingo has the best service to me.I have not been to Brazil yet. The average P4 P hooker in Colombia, I was not too impressed at all. That CBJ bullshit would not last a Colombian hoe 1 day in the DR. I don't need a time machine to go back to the "Sosua of a bygone era" to get GFE and TLN. I had a ball just last month!
I have not been to Brazil yet. The average P4 P hooker in Colombia, I was not too impressed at all. That CBJ bullshit would not last a Colombian hoe 1 day in the DR.Damn! You must have been going to Colombia for several years huh? Sosua is a little itty bitty place in comparison. There are at least 4 or more cities in Colombia I have heard mongers go to. Rhetorical questions. How many Colombian hookers does that amount to? And how many out of that average can a monger find, that is impressive and also provides BBBJ? I would hope I could find at least 2 that I can be impressed with, when I finally visit.
I don't need a time machine to go back to the "Sosua of a bygone era" to get GFE and TLN. I had a ball just last month!Exactly! Those who know how to operate in Sosua (or anywhere) can find what they want if they put in the effort. Some cats are just lucky. A good strategy has always been establishing connections and maintaining them.
Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.This is a statement based on pure supposition with little or no basis in fact. On what are your probabilities based? Just as well could be money earned from investing, illegal activity, or a private pension. Disabilities are a big scam? Tell that to individuals injured both physically and mentally while performing duties for their fellow citizens.
I have been watching this particular chica for a few weeks. I"ve seen her walking the beach with her friends. She's stopped by my buddies bar / restaurant on the beach a few times. Finally I see her at Bourbon Street sitting at the next table. Most of the time when I see this chica her eyes are always front, barely makes eye contact. If anything she is probably using her squirrel eyes to see when guys are checking her out, as well as reports from her amigas walking or sitting with her.
Anyway this particular night in Bourbon Street she locked eyes on me, we greeted and the flirt game was on. The whole time she was sitting there, she couldn't stop turning around to look back at my table. A married monger associate of mine ( sitting with me ), I pointed her out to him, because she resembled his dominican wifes, girlfriend. I went out with her a few times, but we dropped off when I left for the states back in Sept. And decided to leave her alone.
A few minutes later, this dude reaches over to her, hands her his phone asking her to put her number in his phone. Then he turns to me, and claims he is getting her number for ME? I'm like WTF are we in high school? WTF you do that for? I didn't want to go off on him, but I didn't like that shit. If you want the number for yourself, then go for it. I have no problem with that. But don't do me any favors. Well it became apparent, that he asked for her number because he suddenly became interested, when I pointed her out to him, and expressed that I had been checking her out.
Man if you want a woman that bad, then go for it. And you don' t have to lie or make up excuses just to get a hookers number. Every chica at her table looked confused as hell when he handed her his phone. According to him, he said they acted like they didn't know how to enter the number. They did eventually. But after that, the chica wasnt looking back at my table the way she was initially. It's almost like, something went wrong, and possibly I must not have been interested?
Fast forward to the next night. I'm sitting in BS again. The chica is passing by, spots me, and smiles. This time I called her over, slipped my arm around her waist. She felt pretty good. I told her to give me her number, and I will text her later when I am ready to leave. She agreed, said she was going to Merengue with her amigas. About 30 minutes later I sent her a whatsapp message, and told her I will be ready to leave in a few minutes. I texted her again and she said she is on her way to Bourbon Street now to meet me. She is there in a flash.
We leave in my car. I asked her if she was hungry and I took her to the Dominican Restaurant next to City Lights. From the time we left until we got to my place, she was very chilled. Like she was happy that we finally hooked up. Were sitting on the couch watching a movie on Space channel. Then she gets up to go eat her food. I got her a Presidente. After wards, she cuddles up on the couch with me. Were making small talk and everything seems quite natural. I find out that she is 29 yrs old, has one child 8 yrs old. Been in Sosua about 2 months. That would be about right, because that is when I started seeing her in Sosua.
At this point, I'm thinking, do I want a ST with her, or do I want TLN? My history of having TLN's does not necessarily factor in extra sessions. If it works out that way, so be it. I have had a few TLN's over the years where I had multiple sessions. But usually, it's one good session and just me having a warm body next to me through the night. I have been successful on occasion in adjusting my cost of TLN's by advising many of these women that I live here, and not on vacation.
Eventually I turn the TV on in the bedroom, and move the party there. She might have been thinking, what took you so long? But that's just me, I don't like no rush session. The tv became more of a distraction than entertainment, so I put on some music instead. This chica is very affectionate. Very passionate, and touchy feely. I'm massaging her back for a few minutes, then ask her to jump in the shower. I take mine. I go back to massaging her again and kissing her back. I can see she is getting into it, because she's moaning a little and squirming to my kissing her back, and neck. Even if she was putting it on, it sounded good, and was arousing me more.
The 1st thing a guy might notice about her, is that she has some very kissable lips. So by the time she was giving me a BBBJ, I was like yes that is what those delicious lips were made for. Sex was passionate and affectionate. And even though it was with a condom, I was able to bust eventually. I've been spoiled by my regulars that I bang BB. Sleeping with her was nice and non intrusive. Many times, after busting I am done having a woman around. But this time, her company was welcome.
I repeated with her 2 nights after, and this time she showed me something new. She was offering up those delicious lips with a very sensuous BBBJ, and when it was time to bust kept sucking until I was done. I was surprised, but damn sure was relieved. Surprisingly, she took her time getting up to go to the bathroom. I don't know if she swallowed or not. I shoulda asked her a few quick questions to get her to talk before she left. Then I woulda been sure. My pretend GF is still reigning champ of my BBBJ's. Thorough!
The young lady spent the night again, and I dropped her off in the morning. Our agreement was 2000 for 1 or 2 hours. And I told her that if she wanted to spend the night, she was welcome but I could only give her 2000. She had agreed. I stuffed 2300 in her purse in the morning. No big deal right? She only provided one session anyway. And I did her a favor. It was raining, and dreary out. She told me that she pays 350 pesos per night to stay at her hotel. So I'm sure she was much more comfortable in my place than where she stays, when not with another client.
Tempeocorto is exactly right. This is based on incontrovertible anecdotal evidence. Mine as well as Tempeocorto.
This is a statement based on pure supposition with little or no basis in fact. On what are your probabilities based? Just as well could be money earned from investing, illegal activity, or a private pension. Disabilities are a big scam? Tell that to individuals injured both physically and mentally while performing duties for their fellow citizens.
http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdictHere is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.
http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.html
Here is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.
http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.htmlTo fill in the asterisks, you might want to try combining the words 'pot' and 'blogs', but not necessarily in that order.
Probably not too many with inheritance but quite a large number of Military, Police, Firefighters beneficiaries et al, I would think and disabilities are a big time scam as is well known. "There but for the grace of God, go I" - would be more relevant, one would think.You never know. Here we have this guy Cubadave who swears under oath that he didn't make a red cent from his Web page, and had no pension or social security, and no kind of savings or assets to pay for a legal defence, and yet he was able to maintain a pad in Key West and make monthly trips overseas and spend a fortune on hookers on the proceeds of working as a part time carpenter's helper. He seems to have been the most frugal unemployed carpenter's assistant since Jesus fed the Five Thousand on three loaves and five fishes.
I have been watching this particular chica for a few weeks. I"ve seen her walking the beach with her friends. She's stopped by my buddies bar / restaurant on the beach a few times. Finally I see her at Bourbon Street sitting at the next table. Most of the time when I see this chica her eyes are always front, barely makes eye contact. If anything she is probably using her squirrel eyes to see when guys are checking her out, as well as reports from her amigas walking or sitting with her.
Anyway this particular night in Bourbon Street she locked eyes on me, we greeted and the flirt game was on. The whole time she was sitting there, she couldn't stop turning around to look back at my table. A married monger associate of mine ( sitting with me ), I pointed her out to him, because she resembled his dominican wifes, girlfriend. I went out with her a few times, but we dropped off when I left for the states back in Sept. And decided to leave her alone.
A few minutes later, this dude reaches over to her, hands her his phone asking her to put her number in his phone. Then he turns to me, and claims he is getting her number for ME? I'm like WTF are we in high school? WTF you do that for? I didn't want to go off on him, but I didn't like that shit. If you want the number for yourself, then go for it. I have no problem with that. But don't do me any favors. Well it became apparent, that he asked for her number because he suddenly became interested, when I pointed her out to him, and expressed that I had been checking her out..Sounds like a keeper, especially if she swallows!
Quagmire1974
11-22-16, 00:05
Here is a link to a fairly good blog post on the subject. I did not write it myself, but it represents a similar point of view to my own, so saves the the trouble.
http://berzin.********.com/2016/09/cuba-dave.htmlAnyone who reads that blog needs to do so with a huge grain of salt. The picture of Dave's electronics supposedly "bagged and tagged by the US customs officers?" Yeah, that picture was taken when Dave was arrested in Costa Rica. It's posted on numerous online sites including this one:
http://todaycostarica.com/american-arrested-in-costa-rica-for-promoting-sex-tourism/
The moral of the story is that if you're going to monger, don't try to profit off of it. Dave's conviction and Colombia Jake's arrest are proof of that.
ForceSteeler
11-23-16, 04:55
Anyone who reads that blog needs to do so with a huge grain of salt. The picture of Dave's electronics supposedly "bagged and tagged by the US customs officers?" Yeah, that picture was taken when Dave was arrested in Costa Rica. It's posted on numerous online sites including this one:
http://todaycostarica.com/american-arrested-in-costa-rica-for-promoting-sex-tourism/
The moral of the story is that if you're going to monger, don't try to profit off of it. Dave's conviction and Colombia Jake's arrest are proof of that.There are tons of people that profit from the mongering trade. You just have to be underground with it. There mistake is putting themselves out there on the internet. That's a no no.
You never know. Here we have this guy Cubadave who swears under oath that he didn't make a red cent from his Web page, and had no pension or social security, and no kind of savings or assets to pay for a legal defence, and yet he was able to maintain a pad in Key West and make monthly trips overseas and spend a fortune on hookers on the proceeds of working as a part time carpenter's helper. He seems to have been the most frugal unemployed carpenter's assistant since Jesus fed the Five Thousand on three loaves and five fishes.Damn man I was thinking the same thing. Pad in key west carpenter's assistant and multiple trip over seas. I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not. He looks so feeble compared to his YouTube videos.
Quagmire1974
11-23-16, 19:30
I have been watching episodes of Locked Up Abroad and I really feel for this gentleman broke or not.I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.
And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.
StudBucket
11-24-16, 09:02
I don't mean to be rude and switch the topic of Cuba Dave, in fact I felt bad for him and gave a small donation of $75 for his legal proceedings. I think he got hosed. Nonetheless, we just got back from a long 8 night trip in Sosua and wanted to share my experiences. It had been several years since I had been there and reading all the reports about the crackdowns, poor service, we were somewhat concerned about how good it would be there. Nonetheless, we arrived on a Saturday into Puerto Plata airport and took a cab into town for $20 (the standard rate is $25 but we negotiated and someone took our offer). We checked in at Casa Valeria Hotel, and saw the hotel is partially under renovation due to its restaurant being rebuilt. We settled into our rooms, and found that the rooms were very modern, clean, and well laid out. We walked around town, took a stroll through the streets and saw groups of chicas everywhere, and had lunch at Bailey's restaurant. Many of the women will give you a friendly smile, or will show interest indicators to try to get you to talk to them. The women of Sosua certainly are not shy. After taking a light sleep we decided to eat dinner at Schlemmers Stube German restaurant (good little diner off Pedro Clisante with German style dishes-good schnitzel and chicken dishes which are very reasonably priced). We would start evey night at ground zero for the action which is Merengue's Bar and then go up to Clasicos disco later and did this every night other than Tuesday.
Merengue's Bar is located right below Clasico's nighclub and is a very large bar with tv screens playing sports games, and has music. I really think Merengue's is much better than the closed Rumba's sports bar. The action here starts kicking here around 10:30 pm so its best to get here by then. Also, the shortened hours are still in effect and the bars in Sosua all close at 1 am from Sunday to Wedneday, Thursday they close at 2 am, and Friday and Saturday they are closed at 3 am. We were told that the bars in Cabarete stay open til 3 am so I suppose one could head over there to resume the action. Also, the Casino has a small disco that stays open as the after hours on a nightly basis. By 11:30 pm. Many people could be seen going into Clasico's nightclub which is right above Merengue's bar. Clasicos is not a big disco, I would say its smaller in size with a tiny dance floor, about 15 tables, and 2 long bars. It holds about 250 people in there max and can get very crowded on the weekends. The cover charge in Clasico's is $5 dollars USA Or 200 dominican pesos. In Merengues bar, the girls have to know the doorman really well, be friends with the owners, be accompanied by a male guest, in order to enter Merengue's bar. In Clasicos all the girls can get in so long as they pay the cover charge. The talent Friday and Saturday night in Clasicos is better than the other nights as the girls come in from Santiago, Santo Domingo, and local cities for the weekend. Some of the girls are quoting ridiculous prices for long time such as $100 or more, like up to 7 k. As others have said, it seems a lot of these girls live for the moment and don't take if they get repeat business or not. There are some other smaller bars like City Lights and Bar Central which specialize in Haitian girls, but we really did not go into them. Bourbon Street Restaurant has some chicas throughout the day into the early evening, so a couple of times, we would hang out and watch the talent. We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.
On a recommendation from some local expats who live there, we did visit an interesting place in Grand Laguna Sosua called Pica de Flor Bar & Restaurant, which is about 10 minutes or less from out of town (taxi is a must). This place is essentially a large bar and restaurant and as you walk in, there are anywhere from 20 to 40 ladies employed by the house that will literally smile and greet you to jock for their attention. If you see a chica you like, you may sit down with her and talk while you have a drink or bite to eat. There are some high quality girls here, and some average ones. The girls live on the premises, and there are no rooms for you to take the girl for a ride on the premises. The women are here solely to be bar find and you pay the house $100 for up to 4 hours short time or $150 all night long. I know it is a bit high compared what you get on the strip, but you are essentially paying for girls that will deliver the service with no games. Elvis runs the place, nice guy, and he wants to make sure his guests are satisfied so I have been told by the expats that the girls are solid performers. Again, we did not partake, but I came very close to taking a nice hot blondie with big rack from Santiago. Next time, I would go back. The best hours to find talent are from about 3pm to 7 pm I would say.
As far as the crackdown is concerned, I did not see choices being rounded up and going to jail, nothing like it. However, there are police that cruise the main streets and make sure girls are not just standing around and soliciting. So, the girls walk briskly and go into the bars or restaurants when the cops are present. All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.
We also went to the beach and hung at Tree House which is a great little restaurant bar at the beach ran by a cool American guy named Chicago. The buffalo wings are to die for. So, we sat at the tables here a couple of hours and met fellow expats and some chicas were strolling the beach to be propositioned. But, really Sousa is a night town for the girl action.
All in all, we had a great time and there is still plenty of talent to be found amongst the many average girls. The service of the girls was pretty good, but would not consider it top notch comparing it to Asia or Brazil. Prices for short time are still reasonable, but TLN is just too expensive in many cases. We certainly will be going back here as overall it is pretty good.Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.
From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.
The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.
Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.
You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).
My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?
It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.
I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:
1. Found a Ho.
2. Fucked a Ho.
3. Paid a Ho.
I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.
It's Thanksgiving today in my country of origin. And I'd like to give thanks to the contributors to this section who actually spend more time providing information that tells me "where the ho's at" and 'how much they cost". Their trip reports are greatly appreciated over the posts containing extensive philosophizing.
I've been to Sosua and after I was given a brief lay of the land (by my most gracious host and guide Mr. GoGo) I used the following techniques:
1. Found a Ho.
2. Fucked a Ho.
3. Paid a Ho.
I'd also like to give thanks to Barcalo and Brugal and to the Dominican people in general for making life the way it is in the DR possible.LOL. Don't sweat the small stuff!
Save the strategy, analysis, scheming and plotting for the free stuff!
Hiring a hooker is not that complicated for most!.
Like buying a meal! What do you feel like today? Here's a menu!
StudBucket
11-24-16, 21:37
Thanks for sharing your trip and perspective.
From what I gather, you inferred a better price may be had with ST, rather than shooting for TLN? Many of us have seen chicas doing this awhile now. Many try to make more money by getting more ST business, in the day and early evening. But if a guy insists on TLN, he can get it, but the chicas are going to make the price ridiculous, either to discourage a guy, or to make it more worth their time. If the dude really wants her, he may relent to paying her price. And if TLN is too high settle for a ST session.
The later it gets, the more likely the prices can be negotiated to get chicas to drop them further. But chicas know in the evening before lets say 100 am (more or less) they might be able to squeeze in a ST session or two and get right back out there to get another client. In many instances if they can wrap up the night with a TLN, that works out for them. Get a guy at 3 am, put in work, sleep like a log in his place, get a nice shower in the morning and bounce at 7/8.
Whether or not a guy gets in a second round depends on the chica, and her clients interest in getting it in. In other instances, chicas are staying long enough to let the guys to take them to breakfast in the morning and then they bounce, with a full belly.
You mentioned a bar / restaurant on the beach named TREE HOUSE, ran by someone named Chicago? Do you recall what the address number was? (each business has a number outside).
My buddy Sherman (never heard him go by the name Chicago) also has a bar / restaurant on the beach, his is called THE TREE HOUSE. His business address #112. He DJ's at his place and sometimes has friends stop by to DJ. Maybe where you went and my buddies place at #112 is the same place?Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.
You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.
Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?
StudBucket
11-24-16, 21:43
I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.
And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.Yes Quagmire, I loved watching Locked Up and actually had it on my TIVO recorded so I would come home and watch any new episodes or reruns I had not seen. Many of these victims all had the commonality though of becoming mules and trying to push drugs through airports on their way home. I mean, really, if you are going to be that dumb and take the risk, you deserve to do the time. I felt bad though for the one dude who got busted in Saudi Arabia for having a party in his house with alcohol. He was locked up for a while too. Stay far away from that country, its over the top strict and restricts basic rights we have like drinking alcohol.
Yes, Wrx, my post had some typo errors but I meant to say that the Tree House is run by a cool guy named Sherman who is from Chicago. This is what we thought the best place on the beach as it is new, clean, has good hip hop music playing by DJ Sherman who is the owner, sports games on the 2 tvs, and the best buffalo wings I have ever had. The food is super reasonably priced, and everyone is staff is great. I tell you, man, the waiter / hose Rudy is so energetic, talkative, its like he is naturally amped up, and chatting with Sherman and Rudy can give you lots of information about where to go, local tips, etc.
You are spot on about your theory of the girls discouraging you from TLN as they figure they can get 2, or 3 guys in short time and may 2 to 3 k per session (pulling in 6 to 9 K per day) so why settle with one guy for 3 to 5 k all night (is their thinking). I especially believe this was more prevalant for the better looking ones. My buds and I all got these kinds of high prices and were shocked. What one of the girls told me was that some of the "weekend warriors" coming in from the East Coast of US have no problem offering these girls 6 or 7 K for all night. So, we are all now going to pay the price for these guys that ruin the market and DON'T NEGOTIATE or HOLD THEIR GROUND. Too late now unfortunately. As I said, I was here for a week only 3 years ago, and the most any of us paid was like 3. 5 K for TLN. Thank god I just adapted and stuck to ST like you said, and in many ways it was okay as I did not have to worry about the girl leaving too early, having to feed her, being rushed to perform again early when I am sleepy, LOL.
Guys, has anyone been to PICA DE FLOR which is the place I went to with the girls on premises? If so, what was your impression or experiences sessioning with the girls?Thats a great review you gave of Shermans spot The Tree House and staff. I will be sure to pass that on to him today. I will be there later after I make my gym run. FTR (for the record) Sherman is from NYC, never lived anywhere else.
One last note on the chica pricing / expectations. You guys probably noticed this. If you ask a chica her price it's very likely a guy will get those ridiculous prices we talked about. But if you give her your price instead of asking for hers, taking into consideration, time of day / night, where the offer is made, and the style of chica you are dealing with, a guy just might get a price (ST or TLN) he can live with.
For instance, the last chica I gave a report about. She stayed again last night. But before I got her to commit, I texted her that I will give her 2700 for TLN. She agreed and it was on. If I would have asked her what her price was last night, she might have told me 3000 to 3500. Many chicas will work with you. But if you let them give you a price 1st, they might go higher and a guy may be more reluctant to negotiate down.
I've done that with other chicas. Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.
I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. It may come off cheaper for a monger to negotiate up 500 + pesos from his price ( to meet her agreement ) , than negotiating one to three thousand pesos down from her price.
Try not asking them their price 1st, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.
Some guys might feel a little awkward "telling" a chica what he will pay her ( in a respectful.non arrogant manner ). But it really can help in the long run. The times I've asked a chica her price, is usually when I'm not serious about getting with her, but am curious to know what she'll tell me.
I'm also saying this to say, even the average looking chicas are a part of the chica network, where if a monger asks for her price, they almost always start off way high, and it's up to the guy to negotiate down. Many average chicas may relent, whereas many of the better looking chicas (especially those that only go to Clasicos) might not budge one bit. But it's definitely worth considering. Try not asking them their price, but instead give your price. That is if you guys arent already doing that. Happy mongering in the DR.Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.
The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.
Don't see why anyone would feel awkward about making a bid and then letting her choose whether to accept or decline. I have had gorgeous chicas for lower amounts such as 1000 pesos or 1200 pesos if they know I am available and that they will have a good time. Remember that when you are an unknown quantity to a chica, she doesn't want to get in over her head with something she can't handle, but if she knows you, you may represent an easy source of 1000 pesos and a shower in an hour of need, if she can stop by your apartment or hotel room on the way to the disco at night and gain the price of admission, a bite to eat, and the fare home.
The thing is, it is much easier if you are living there, because you can wait for her to come to you. If you are on a couple of days visit and under budget on your trip, and you want a particular chica, it may not be worth the potential savings to bargain too heavily. In other words short term visitors may look at the overall cost of the trip, rather than the price of a sex act.That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.
I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.
So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.
Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.
StudBucket
11-25-16, 21:46
That's quite alright that you don't see why Frannie. Not everyone has foresight or gets feedback from others in order to know.
I see why, and have talked to enough guys that shared why. It's really simple. Enough guys including myself (in the past) never liked talking about money so soon, while we are checking out a chica that we like, even though it is a necessary thing. In the beginning and in the moment of meeting a chica, it's sort of a fantasy. Like it's about two people potentially digging each other. But once the subject of money comes into play, now the business aspect kicks in which can change that initial vibe.
So sometimes to avoid that discussion somewhat and losing that vibe, some guys will choose to ask the women what they want ( being passive ) rather than tell women what they will pay. Then they decide whether or not to accept their price and take the woman. Some guys aren't interested in negotiating over her price. You got it now? Now that is just one example Mr Frannie I'm sharing, I'm sure there may be many more reasons. And I'm not saying my example is absolute for every man, just one example.
Kudos for you that YOU found chicas for 1000 to 1200 pesos. I'm sure the poster I'm talking to will be very impressed with that and apply your example the next time him and his buddies think about coming to Sosua and going to the clubs.Great post Wrx, you a certainly a man of wisdom and are very practical and realistic. I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying. This girl is a Clasicos girl who is higher end with the long hair, big rack, good looks, etc. So she regularly gets her rate and has no trouble finding guys who will pay her price.
I get Frannie's point that if you are a local, of course you will have access to a book of phone numbers, the time to do this, and can find decent regulars who will short time you before the discos open or in the day. But, this is mongering website so must of us travel to different destinations. But, I am a nightime warrior who is on vacation for a short time, really want to work the girls in Merengues or Clasicos, and here it is very hard to get the BETTER LOOKING girls TLN for less than 4. 5 to 6 k or less than 2 k short time. In addition, many of the chicas will be reluctant to give you good service if they know they got beatup for a big discount. Lastly, some of the girls had no issue leaving with no guys if they didn't get their price and would dsimply come back another night. I also noticed that many of the top girls really are not out in the day at the beach or in town walking around, many of these girls wait until the night to go out and therefore, must get their price as they have a shorter window to work with. Mongering is certainly more complex than we realize and is a learning process. At the end of the day, if a girl is stuck on her price and won't budge much, there is not much you can do other than move on to the next one.
Mr Enternational
11-25-16, 23:05
I tend to agree when you say one of the reasons many guys don't want to go directly into price is to not kill the vibe and "fantasy" as you say, and let it become a business deal. In fact, one of my friends met a better looking girl in the day on the beach and she still wanted 3 k for short time and he lobbied hard and got her down to 2 k for ST. Needless to say this killed the vibe and in the room he said she was very mechanical and was rushing him and faking she was enjoying.You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.
SavePros321
11-26-16, 00:43
http://www.ticotimes.net/2016/11/16/cuba-dave-verdictDamn, sorry to hear that about Cuba Dave. I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. He just seemed overly-passionate about wanting to help others get out of sex-prison and travel to meet women who would not look at you twice in your home country.
Completely different from someone like Colombian Jake who was actually setting guys up with dates, providing lodging, and acting as the middle man on the transactions.
You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.Agreed. The only thing you accomplish by giving her more is her thinking you're an idiot and a better target for a scam.
Manizales911
11-26-16, 01:47
A couple weeks ago a couple of friends of mine came to visit me here in Sosua. One of the guys likes to play a high roller and stays in contact with Peter and Marriella formerly owners of Passions so he insisted on going to Blue Ice Piano Bar their new place. I ended up getting the phone number to one of the "waitresses" and we talked on Whatsapp for a few days and ended up hooking up at my apartment for a nice session and based on that session ended up taking her on a pre planned road trip for two days and nights. In between the session at my apartment and the road trip she quit working at Blue Ice and moved back to Santo Domingo. Due to roads being closed because of the damage from all the rain it took 7 hours on the bus to get to Sosua. Anyway, she has the body of a goddess and a matching personality, GFE plus plus plus in every way. 3500 pesos per 24 hours for the best sex of my life and I've been with my share of chicas. FYI, hooking up with girls working there is a bit difficult unless you are a late night person, the girls can't leave until their shift is over so best to get digits, they work 6 days a week too. Also, Peter says he has been given permission by the powers that be in SantoDomingo to reopen Passions, this is right from the horse's mouth, we'll see.
Alex Deuce
11-26-16, 01:49
You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.All day it matters. Some of you turn a simple purchase of couchie into a life and death struggle. How the negotiation is handled matters. You don't want to leave her feeling cheapened.
Alex Deuce
11-26-16, 01:52
I was wondering if anyone enjoyed watching that show as much as I do. The one common theme that Locked Up Abroad seems to have is that people don't do all of the time they're sentenced to serve. I remember seeing an episode where someone was sentenced to many years in a Colombian jail after being arrested, tried, and convicted for being a coke mule. They ended up serving half of their time and then were released.
And that's why I think Cuba Dave won't serve the full five-year sentence. Costa Rica isn't interested in keeping a geriatric monger in their prison system for five years. By putting Dave on trial and getting a conviction, they sent the message they wanted to send and proved their point. I really believe Dave will serve 2, maybe 3 years at most and then be released. Interestingly, he said in a Tico Times article before his trial that if released, he planned to write a book about his experience. Dave really should contact the Locked Up Abroad folks and have an episode made. That's probably worth a lot more money, which he's going to need now that his mongering days are likely over for good.He's going to serve every day of his sentence and more.
You really attribute her service level to him negotiating the price? The fact is that she would have performed the exact same no. Matter what price your friend had paid.
Agreed. The only thing you accomplish by giving her more is her thinking you're an idiot and a better target for a scam.Gentlemen, I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that there isn't a correlation between the price a chica gets and the performance she provides. I am definitely in accord with anybody about paying a chica more money is not necessarily going to get you a better performance. But I do believe a chica getting less money than she thinks the job is worth (or what she is used to getting) may very well take the initiative and adjust her services accordingly.
It could be a number of things she can do. Claim she has to leave early. Claim she can't suck his dick because she has dental work or la gripe. Won't suck his dick. Or only with a condom. Frustrate a guy by not letting him hit it. Complaining that he's too big. Or acting like she came already, and can't take anymore. If it's TLN, do what ever it takes to not give the guy their agreed upon 2nd session in the morning. Claiming their head, pussy or stomach hurts. Just lay there like a starfish. So many things a chica can do to adjust her services.
Now I'm not saying this can't happen even if the chica is getting her high ass price. I'm just saying these are some of the things chicas can do because they think they can, and it's at their disposal if they choose to exercise it if they arent really satisfied with the price they settled for, or have a problem with their client. A chica can agree to a lower price. But that does not mean she doesn't have the means or the inclination not to adjust her services or performance accordingly.
It should be common knowledge that enough chicas sometimes bust out claiming they deserve more money after a session, because the guy exceeded their expectations. Or he was fucking her every way from Sunday. Or perhaps because he was using viagra or some other sexual supplement, and took forever to come or never came. Some chicas act like they are owed more money. A clear sign that their perception of performing extra service "can be" (not will be) connected to how much they think they should get paid.
At the very least. If we don't pay a chica any money, what can happen? No sex takes place. When you pay, you open the door for a chica to provide services. What she performs of course depends upon the chica. So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to.
Damn, sorry to hear that about Cuba Dave. I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out. He just seemed overly-passionate about wanting to help others get out of sex-prison and travel to meet women who would not look at you twice in your home country.
Completely different from someone like Colombian Jake who was actually setting guys up with dates, providing lodging, and acting as the middle man on the transactions. So how is Strecker making his living these days? "I don't have to work," he says with a smile. "I make money just by being me. "
Quote from Miami New Times article 2014. So what exactly do you think he meant by this? And how was he able to afford make monthly trips to Sosua while Passion's and CMP clubs, the only places in Sosua that were brothels with on-site sex, were open and promoted like crazy by CD, but as soon as they were closed he started to bad mouth Sosua and the DR, and yet when he was arrested in Costa Rica his partners claimed on his Web site that he was basically indigent with no source of income? And why did he start traveling to Costa Rica and promoting 'chica-friendly' hotels as soon as he was banned from the DR, even though any number of people had warned him that he was skating on thin ice and widely perceived as a person non grata? I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.
I get Frannie's point that if you are a local, of course you will have access to a book of phone numbers, the time to do this, and can find decent regulars who will short time you before the discos open or in the day. But, this is mongering website so must of us travel to different destinations .No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.
One of my buddies on vacation in Sosua just met a nice chica out of Blue ICE piano bar this past week. She supposedly lives in Puerto Plata. His 1st session with her was off the chain, according to him.
When I was there (Blue ICE) with him, the girls are all wearing the same outfits. Their job is to mingle with the guests that come in, enticing them to buy drinks. Sometimes they are just sitting, or at times, dancing among themselves or the guests. For the most part they are not overly aggressive or pushy trying to get patrons to buy them drinks, but they do hang around long enough acting like they are interested in the patrons. And that sometimes prompts guys to offer the girls drinks, which drums up business for the bar.
My buddy shared a couple of things about his girl that works there. She gave him the "I am not a puta" line. So when it came to him figuring out what and how he was going to compensate her for her time, he decided to improvise. Enough guys know that line all too well. These women usually want the money and they usually do not have a problem accepting money. They just do not want to be perceived as one of those "cheap hoes" in the street.
He decided that at some point he would give her 2000 pesos, for her son the afternoon she was to come over his place before work. Prior to that though, that afternoon she claimed she had to come by taxi from Puerto Plata to Sosua and according to her it cost 350 pesos. When he told me about it, I said that is ridiculous. Most dominicans aint paying no price like that just to come in a taxi. A typical ride on the publico is about 50 pesos. I said besides, she has to go to work at 5. How was she going to get to work in Sosua then? And if she is paying 350 pesos every time she comes to Sosua, the job may not be worth it. The session that afternoon, came and went.
Last night he said he was supposed to see her again. This time she is complaining to him that she gets off at 3 am, but if she stays with him, she may have a problem with the babysitter (whoever the fuck that is) for the time overnight. I'm thinking, I know what is coming next. Since she is "no puta", my buddy decides he will claim the money he gives her is for her babysitter. He asks out of curiosity how much is her babysitter?
She texts back,1500 pesos. We both said "HUH?" What babysitter in PP where she is, is getting paid 1500 pesos from 3 am until she gets home? And what was she originally paying? Because if she was already paying at least 1000 pesos every night until she got home, how the hell can she justify working at Blue ICE? 1st off, the babysitter is probably a close friend or family member. And it's not likely a chica is giving either of them more than a few hundred pesos (if anything) a day. So this sweet "non puta" has some slick ways of getting paid on the sly tip.
I'd assume last nights session went well. I wonder if they talked any more about the babysitting thing? Your turn now Mr Frannie. I know you love these kinds of topics where you chime in on the expense of providing for dominican children, and all of the scenarios and possibilities of why the chica claims her babysitting costs 1500. Break it down for us, <smiling .
Just spoke to my buddy about his Blue Ice chica. He said she got off at 3 am, texted him claiming she was hungry and was going to get something to eat. Didn't get to his place until 4 ish. Then eventually got to his place. At 7 am she was ready to go. Surprised him, cause even though she claims to have a child, he still thought that she might stay a little longer. Ironically, the 1st session he had earlier in the week, she claimed she had to be at work at 5 pm. She got there close to 4 pm (was supposed to be there at 3) , and left about 530 pm. Supposedly late for work.
Much of the details with this chick screams red flags.
1) Claiming not to be a puta. But still using puta tactics to get paid.
2) Coming up with high prices for taxi and babysitting, not common to what locals may generally pay.
3) Her alleged claim of hunger after work is suspect. Them chicas usually eat pretty good. She could have checked to see what he had in his place, or she could have bought the food and ate it at his place.
4) Definitely showing signs of being what I call a "circuit puta" These are the types of chicas who work in a place where mongers hangout, looking for girls. The girls in those establishment make arrangements to be with guys they choose that expresses interest in getting with them. And that is how they supplement their income. The bar / restaurant is just a front for them. None of this is new information. Many establishments have this going on. Rumba was one of the most common places.
So these chicas sometimes are juggling several men during the course of a day or night. And that's why they may not be able to stay very long, so they can get to the next client. Or they are sometimes late because they are just leaving a client onto the next. They can have all sorts of excuses or reasons of why this is that and that is this. But it's usually all fallacies to keep the guys in the dark of what is really going on.
Inside the bar / venue is where they secure clients, and how they manage those clients depends on them. When chicas quit it isn't always because the bar / venue isn't paying enough. They may quit because they arent getting enough clients from their front. Or they have got enough clients from their front. Can't rule out some guy falling in love / like and wifing a chica up either.
She texts back,1500 pesos. We both said "HUH?" What babysitter in PP where she is, is getting paid 1500 pesos from 3 am until she gets home? And what was she originally paying? Because if she was already paying at least 1000 pesos every night until she got home, how the hell can she justify working at Blue ICE? 1st off, the babysitter is probably a close friend or family member. And it's not likely a chica is giving either of them more than a few hundred pesos (if anything) a day. So this sweet "non puta" has some slick ways of getting paid on the sly tip.
I'd assume last nights session went well. I wonder if they talked any more about the babysitting thing? Your turn now Mr Frannie. I know you love these kinds of topics where you chime in on the expense of providing for dominican children, and all of the scenarios and possibilities of why the chica claims her babysitting costs 1500. Break it down for us, <smiling .No, you are right, the taxi is not 350 pesos and the baby sitter is not 1500 pesos, but she is in this relationship for gain, not for love. Hillary Clinton was not paid $250,000 by Goldman Sachs in exchange for favorable treatment during her expected presidency, it was just paying her a speaker's fee for sharing her valuable knowledge. This girl obviously needs financial help, but would quite probably settle for a relationship if there was something like a visa at the end of the rainbow. The girls who are of novia quality are less likely to settle for hard-core whoring if they think they still have relationship possibilities. After all, a hell of a lot of girls DO make it to Europe, Canada, and the US, so it is not impossible.
No, you are right, the taxi is not 350 pesos and the baby sitter is not 1500 pesos, but she is in this relationship for gain, not for love. This girl obviously needs financial help, but would quite probably settle for a relationship if there was something like a visa at the end of the rainbow. The girls who are of novia quality are less likely to settle for hard-core whoring if they think they still have relationship possibilities. After all, a hell of a lot of girls DO make it to Europe, Canada, and the US, so it is not impossible.Hardly a relationship Frannie, more like it's just another job they have, cloaked to appear like they have personal interest in the admirer.
You may be correct that she needs financial help. I wouldn't automatically assume that though. From looking at her, I believe she is getting paid from other sources elsewhere. At the very least probably has a boyfriend or husband in the DR or abroad. So, I'm not so quick to assume they aren't already getting financial help to take care of their needs.
Take enough putas out in the street, many of these women are seen actively working / whoring, but already have money coming in left and right from multiple WU novios. They arent doing it ( out on the street ) because they are hurting for money. The money on the street, is easy money to be made. Same can go for a chica working in a bar / restaurant. She will always say she is single and has no boyfriend or anybody remotely interested in them. But enough of them are lying.
The suitors they have on the hook, reduce her concern when most of the bills are paid, and they may have enough to have a bank account. You are correct a lot of these girls may be interested in a visa so they can make it to Eurpoe, Canada, and the US. However a lot of these women do so and end up coming right back after a brief time away. Those chicas were probably not happy away from the DR. Worse case scenario is getting with a gringo just to fleece him legally.
Many others have zero interest in leaving the DR, they really only want our money / resources, their Dominican men for fathering their children, and the FAMILY for their base support. Besides, if a woman does have more than one WU novio all sending their money, it may not be necessary for her to choose only one to leave her country for. Why not keep them all, and collect from all, without ever stepping foot out of the country? If one WU novio drops off, just secure another one.
A lot of guys fall in like very easily with women working in bars / venues. Feel the need to become RESCUE RANGERS to some chica "obviously" in need of financial help. Some guys fair well with chicas that work in bars / venues. Meaning it works out great for both. Mutually satisfying. Others get the runaround.
My buddy may very well find himself being the recipient of RFM requests from this chica after he is back in the states. Meanwhile she is going to score more clients while playing the innocent role with my buddy on whatsapp, "papi mi don't like Sosua" "Mi no get enough dinero from bar" "Papi, I'm going to quit if I do not find another job soon".
True or not, she is likely going to expect him to send $help even if she never asks for it. Just like she hinted about the taxi she needed, and the cost of her babysitting. Many of these women are just as slick as any puta out on the street. In fact, probably they are one and the same, just each working from different perches.
No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.Frannie, "playing along with the illusion" that you described doesn't mean a guy is automatically going to pay more. If he's playing along with the illusion as you say, that indicates to me he may be aware that both parties are just playing a role, and using it to form or maintain a vibe. When it's time to negotiate, how much illusion/vibe is left between them depends on how things go. I've had chicas that quickly agreed to a price, acting like price was not an issue, and we never broke stride from our vibe. Ended up fucking like rabbits. Paid em, and all was well.
When a guy is not playing along, and doesn't see it as an illusion, is serious and thinks the woman is serious about him, then I can go along with your premise of a guy potentially paying more.
No the point is that people on this board are constantly complaining that chicas are asking more money than they are willing to pay. I am just suggesting that the solution is to state up front how much you are willing to pay, and don't sweat it if they refuse, because there will always be another chica eager to pick up leftovers. Now if you want to play along with the illusion that you have just met a sweet young thing who is intoxicated by your charm and animal magnetism, then you are going to have to pay more, and if you are Kanye West, you will have to pay even more.Enough mongers will pay some chicas too much and sometimes mongers could get better service from enough chicas, but some mongers, not all, but enough, might pay less and get the same service!
IOW, YMMV.
Ipanema Carioca
11-26-16, 19:52
Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.
Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.Reminds me of a certain city called Flint, in the richest country of the world.
SavePros321
11-27-16, 17:23
Sousa's mayor is an idiotic air-head who should be impeached, if the Dominican Republic has such a process. Besides not resolving the shortage of water piped water for the locals, this woman purposely did this to Sosua business to force her naive will to change Sosua to the Land of Oz with herself the fake Wizard behind the curtain.I like the reference to Aleppo, hahaha!
SavePros321
11-27-16, 17:26
So how is Strecker making his living these days? "I don't have to work," he says with a smile. "I make money just by being me. "
Quote from Miami New Times article 2014. So what exactly do you think he meant by this? And how was he able to afford make monthly trips to Sosua while Passion's and CMP clubs, the only places in Sosua that were brothels with on-site sex, were open and promoted like crazy by CD, but as soon as they were closed he started to bad mouth Sosua and the DR, and yet when he was arrested in Costa Rica his partners claimed on his Web site that he was basically indigent with no source of income? And why did he start traveling to Costa Rica and promoting 'chica-friendly' hotels as soon as he was banned from the DR, even though any number of people had warned him that he was skating on thin ice and widely perceived as a person non grata? I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.I was speaking in terms of he was not engaged in pimping activities like Colombian Jake and David_33 of Peru fame. Promoting establishments that are already in play such as the ones you mentioned wouldn't be considered pimping. I have no knowledge if he got a kickback from promoting any of them or not.
I was speaking in terms of he was not engaged in pimping activities like Colombian Jake and David_33 of Peru fame. Promoting establishments that are already in play such as the ones you mentioned wouldn't be considered pimping. I have no knowledge if he got a kickback from promoting any of them or not.Here is what you said:
I don't believe the guy was profiting any any way from the info he gave out.
SavePros321
11-28-16, 04:40
Here is what you said:You didn't provide any concrete evidence that he was in fact getting kickbacks from those places other than quotes from articles written by journalist who can twist your words to fit their narrative as they see fit. So the original statement I made still stands.
Here's what YOU said:
I have no particular insider knowledge of anything about CD or whether he received kickbacks from the clubs he promoted, and I doubt if he could have been making a lot of money out of all his online activites, books, etc. , but I think it must have subsidized his travels to a reasonable degree.
=Wrx2005;1966542.......At the very least. If we don't pay a chica any money, what can happen? No sex takes place. When you pay, you open the door for a chica to provide services. What she performs of course depends upon the chica. So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to.I agree. Overpaying and underpaying are bad.
So I do agree that in many instances a chica may perform the same way no matter how much she gets paid. But I would never completely rule out or totally ignore the possibility of a chica exercising her ability to adjust her services because she feels she is not really getting what the job is worth (to her) or what she is accustomed to. I would not even go so far as to talk in terms of an "adjustment" of services. She might just be sulking. Chicas are human beings and even though they are exchanging sex for money, if they like the guy and it has more of the feeling of being on a date, then probably both sides of the contract will enjoy the experience more. If it is just a "job", then it is less likely to be highly pleasurable on either side.
Hello Gentlemen,
I'm in need of some intel. There is this thin cute chica that works at Rockys. Her name is Ruth. Does anyone know if she is P4P? One local said she couldn't be seen with a gringo or she would be fired. Any info would help thanks guys.
Many of these women are just as slick as any puta out on the street. In fact, probably they are one and the same, just each working from different perches.Are you saying all women in the DR are Putas? If they are (yes there is that IF statement again) then it follows that all men in the DR (living or visiting) are tricks.
I like to keep things simple and uncomplicated (since I'm that type of person). A little street knowledge might apply here: JT Money's rap Ho Problems might be applicable.
I would not even go so far as to talk in terms of an "adjustment" of services. She might just be sulking. Chicas are human beings and even though they are exchanging sex for money, if they like the guy and it has more of the feeling of being on a date, then probably both sides of the contract will enjoy the experience more. If it is just a "job", then it is less likely to be highly pleasurable on either side.Mr. Frannie,
You are dead on point with this statement. When people spend too much time up in their head and too little time remembering that we are dealing with biological creatures being driven by survival (and when that point is reached additional personal gains or desires) that are often more emotional than rational then you see the biases that emerge.
When money enters the picture as the primary motivation then you have a straight business transaction. But buying sex is not like you are walking into La Sierna where the prices are marked the items you are purchasing are fairly known with the method, means and value of the exchange well documented. If you wish a specific set of services why not just state that up front. Have a contract ready to check off the boxes. Both sign and head off to the room. This is completely possible because prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. There is no need to be bashful about asking for exactly what you want each time every time. Move away from that bright line definition and things become murky very quickly. That's actually where playing along with the deception or illusion actually reveals itself. The entire idea that what's going on is anything but what is actually going on. As an example: that GFE is really GFE when it's really just a act. Or when a man convinces himself that the hot 20 something riding his dick is doing it for any other reason that the payoff she will receive (in whatever form he provides it).
Enough mongers will pay some chicas too much and sometimes mongers could get better service from enough chicas, but some mongers, not all, but enough, might pay less and get the same service! :)Damn straight Mr. Oakie, but of course that would require the mongers who currently cannot / don't receive the services they want to quit complaining about how a particular ho runs her operation and instead look for those that run things they way they like, stop treating the ho's as if they are nothing more than cum depositories without their own set of human concerns, desires and needs, and acknowledging that ho running is not an intellectual pursuit but one that involves face to face interaction with other human beings. It's a service, much like getting your oil changed except you are getting balls drained, ass licked or whatever else smokes your shorts. You don't have to have a beer with your mechanic in order to receive good service. You only need to interact within the socially accepted norms required to do business. Just saying, LOL!
Cocodrilito
11-30-16, 03:58
Hi guys,
I've just registered but been following the thread for several months. I finally made up my mind to go to Sosua at the beginning of next year and need some advice. I'm hesitating whether to buy the whole trip at a travel agency or only buy an air ticket and go on my own. The former might be more convenient, but I know that many hotels cooperating with travel agencies are not chica friendly, which would mean having to use short-time rooms (maybe not the most convenient option, but probably the safest). The truth is that I like immersing into local cultures, practicing languages (for example Spanish when in Spain), etc. , and therefore maybe I'll decide for the latter. I visited one agency in the vicinity of where I live and they offer a 2-week stay at Casa Marina Reef Hotel at a reasonable price. Seems to be well located, but I looked fore some information on the web and there was someone saying that chicas are not welcome there. Can you recommend any places to stay which are joiner friendly? Do they charge a kind of joiner fee as in some places in Thailand? Which option do you think is better if I don't insist on spending the whole night with a chica (surely not every night. When in Pattaya, I do it rather seldom, only if I manage to find a girl that I really like). Is it difficult to find a room within walking distance from Pedro Clisante for a couple of days without having made a reservation if I, for instance, book a hotel room only for the first 2 or 3 days and then look for another one simply walking in? One more question: do you think that bringing euros to DR is a much worse option than bringing US dollars?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Greetings from Warsaw.
Cocodrilito.
If you wish a specific set of services why not just state that up front. Have a contract ready to check off the boxes. Both sign and head off to the room. This is completely possible because prostitution is legal in the Dominican Republic. There is no need to be bashful about asking for exactly what you want each time every time.This is pretty good advice.
Hi guys,
I've just registered but been following the thread for several months. I finally made up my mind to go to Sosua at the beginning of next year and need some advice. I'm hesitating whether to buy the whole trip at a travel agency or only buy an air ticket and go on my own. The former might be more convenient, but I know that many hotels cooperating with travel agencies are not chica friendly, which would mean having to use short-time rooms (maybe not the most convenient option, but probably the safest). The truth is that I like immersing into local cultures, practicing languages (for example Spanish when in Spain), etc. , and therefore maybe I'll decide for the latter. I visited one agency in the vicinity of where I live and they offer a 2-week stay at Casa Marina Reef Hotel at a reasonable price. Seems to be well located, but I looked fore some information on the web and there was someone saying that chicas are not welcome there. Can you recommend any places to stay which are joiner friendly? Do they charge a kind of joiner fee as in some places in Thailand? Which option do you think is better if I don't insist on spending the whole night with a chica (surely not every night. When in Pattaya, I do it rather seldom, only if I manage to find a girl that I really like). Is it difficult to find a room within walking distance from Pedro Clisante for a couple of days without having made a reservation if I, for instance, book a hotel room only for the first 2 or 3 days and then look for another one simply walking in? One more question: do you think that bringing euros to DR is a much worse option than bringing US dollars?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Greetings from Warsaw.
Cocodrilito.Yes, you can just get a plane ticket and find a room when you arrive. Casa Marina is OK, or I should say it was OK when I stayed there a few years ago, and has nice ocean views, hot tub, unlimited free drinks, decent food, OK rooms, but you cannot bring prostitutes or male friends to your room there.
There are plenty of small hotels that specialize in providing accommodations for the male single traveler. You will find a room easily enough, unless it is Superbowl weekend, when, for some reason, Sosua seems to fill up. Easter week may also be busy.
Either Euros or US dollars will serve. You may be able to pay for a hotel room with US dollars, but will need to change money to Dominican pesos for all other transactions. You can change money at the going rate, but avoid the Cambio INSIDE the airport at Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, as you will pay something like $20% surcharge on the exchange. Western Union in Sosua gives a decent rate, but there are other small money changers that may give you a fractionally better rate. It is a good idea to also have an Automatic Teller Machine card to withdraw cash. Some charges apply to ATM machine usage, but it is a useful convenience.
Damn straight Mr. Oakie, but of course that would require the mongers who currently cannot / don't receive the services they want to quit complaining about how a particular ho runs her operation and instead look for those that run things they way they like, stop treating the ho's as if they are nothing more than cum depositories without their own set of human concerns, desires and needs, and acknowledging that ho running is not an intellectual pursuit but one that involves face to face interaction with other human beings. It's a service, much like getting your oil changed except you are getting balls drained, ass licked or whatever else smokes your shorts. You don't have to have a beer with your mechanic in order to receive good service. You only need to interact within the socially accepted norms required to do business. Just saying, LOL!Finally a little common sense around here. I thought all the smart ones had left.
I was just having fun with the contorted reasoning I see here.
Buying sex is so easy in Sosua. Beautiful chicas never quit smiling at you, it's legal, safe, and there's always a room handy.
Steak is cheap and costs more than hamburger, but there's no need to psychoanalyze the cow.
Overthinking and analyzing a simple fuck can make your dick shrink!
And always remember, we are not all Brad Pitt or Will Smith, so your mileage WILL vary!
Mr Enternational
11-30-16, 16:21
Buying sex is so easy in Sosua. Beautiful chicas never quit smiling at you, it's legal, safe, and there's always a room handy.No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.
No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.I agree sometimes it's like playing craps, but I prefer the old school method which is. I normally stay a minimum of a moth when I visit, so I have a chance to do proper recon on my selections. For each new chica, I watch how the why carry themselves, who the hang around, and who they go, with from the club. I also ask if I know a friend or acquaintance who has "hit"; and I ask about their expierence. Still nothing is guaranteed or 100%, and YMMV, but over the years I have avoided many bad expierences by just being patient and not so "thrusty". Many times it has taken me a year or more to get that one I had been eying, but taking my time has rarely failed me. Peace.
I agree sometimes it's like playing craps, but I prefer the old school method which is. I normally stay a minimum of a moth when I visit, so I have a chance to do proper recon on my selections. For each new chica, I watch how the why carry themselves, who the hang around, and who they go, with from the club. I also ask if I know a friend or acquaintance who has "hit"; and I ask about their expierence. Still nothing is guaranteed or 100%, and YMMV, but over the years I have avoided many bad expierences by just being patient and not so "thrusty". Many times it has taken me a year or more to get that one I had been eying, but taking my time has rarely failed me. Peace.Most folks don't put that much effort in finding a wife, never mind a 20 minute hooker.
But, it's all good!
Most folks don't put that much effort in finding a wife, never mind a 20 minute hooker. .
But, it's all good!Oakie, your absolutely correct, but I be been coming to Sosua so long that I always have at least 4 or 5 chicas that I have primed up from a prior trip, that I ran out of time or couldn't hook-up with, and not counting the old reliables. I believe in gaining some sort of relationship with the chicas by flirting or just being nice. I'm not one to wine & dine these chics nor am I a WU sucker; but common courtesy goes a long way. Of course I've had my share of "bad" expierences like all of us, but for my last 5 or 6 years of visiting "Man Disneyland", I can count the negative ones on one hand. I not enamored with the number of beautiful women like I was years ago when I first started visiting Sosua; so my neck isn't on a swivel like it use to be so I don't have to "Ra*e & pillage" but believe me, I get to enjoy the spoils. If you want to know how much "game or swag" for lack, of better words, come to Sosua and see how you can make out without alll the drama. Peace.
Oakie, your absolutely correct, but I be been coming to Sosua so long that I always have at least 4 or 5 chicas that I have primed up from a prior trip, that I ran out of time or couldn't hook-up with, and not counting the old reliables. I believe in gaining some sort of relationship with the chicas by flirting or just being nice. I'm not one to wine & dine these chics nor am I a WU sucker; but common courtesy goes a long way. Of course I've had my share of "bad" expierences like all of us, but for my last 5 or 6 years of visiting "Man Disneyland", I can count the negative ones on one hand. I not enamored with the number of beautiful women like I was years ago when I first started visiting Sosua; so my neck isn't on a swivel like it use to be so I don't have to "Ra*e & pillage" but believe me, I get to enjoy the spoils. If you want to know how much "game or swag" for lack, of better words, come to Sosua and see how you can make out without alll the drama. Peace.I was being sarcastic to a fellow poster, so I apologize for my bad manners. Thanks for sharing.
Matter of fact, like you I'm down there often and like you I'm organized.
I have my fun down there already lined up before I leave and I'm never disappointed. I do leave a couple days free to "explore" and "experiment" though, so there always something new.
In all the years I never had bad sex, just one who wouldn't leave without a propina, and one who left early and I didn't have the dinero to pay her. Both were great lays though.
For me it's all about connections. Keeps me away from the hard core stuff that people complain about.
I love your "No Drama" bit!
Cheers!
No doubt that buying sex is easy in Sosua. Getting what you paid for once back in the room is another thing though.It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.
But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.
We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free?
It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.
But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.
We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free? :)Mr E. Meant to say that once he gets to the room, he has to remind the women that he only agreed to one pop, otherwise they would be riding him all night and deep into the next day.
Are you saying all women in the DR are Putas? If they are (yes there is that IF statement again) then it follows that all men in the DR (living or visiting) are tricks.
I like to keep things simple and uncomplicated (since I'm that type of person). A little street knowledge might apply here: JT Money's rap Ho Problems might be applicable.Depends. You may be thinking in your own head that I said all women in the DR are putas? When that happens, I have no control over what certain individuals interpret or how they process information. As always, I only think in one head. So unless I specifically said ALL DR women this or that, your question is moot.
Oh and BTW, did you make allowances in your head in case you were NOT thinking I said ALL DR women are putas? Or are you mainly stuck with only one objective in YOUR thoughts?
Mr E. Meant to say that once he gets to the room, he has to remind the women that he only agreed to one pop, otherwise they would be riding him all night and deep into the next day.I remember another old adversary, Wrexxy, regailing us with tales of how he took all his putas to multi orgasm heaven, and shook their very world.
Maybe that's why he, like Mr E. Is pissed with Sosua.
They believe it is THEY who should get paid.
There's nothing quite like a guy who believes he is Casanova in a brothel!
Mr Enternational
12-01-16, 19:00
It can be tough for some, but so is crossing the street without getting hit for some. I was talking about average normal folks.
But like I said, we are not all Brad Pitt, Will Smith, or even, I will add, Mr. E.
We didn't think you had problems with chicas back in the room, we though you were the exception that gets a lot of your pussy for free? :)Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.
Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.Well said, Mr. E, well said! Love ya!
As always, I only think in one head.I'll take your word for it and not ask you to prove your statement. Simply because you made it with absolute conviction. But since you did not state which head you think in you really haven't provided me with any useful information.
I remember another old adversary, Wrexxy, regailing us with tales of how he took all his putas to multi orgasm heaven, and shook their very world. Maybe that's why he, like Mr E. Is pissed with Sosua. They believe it is THEY who should get paid. There's nothing quite like a guy who believes he is Casanova in a brothel! :)
Since when did free pussy become the exception and paid pussy become an indulgence for average normal folks? You guys had convinced me that it was the other way around. I mean with people like you, Frannie, and Temp scared to admit to people in their everyday lives (friends and family) that they buy pussy, I would have thought that it was not so mainstream. Thanks for now letting me know that we should actually be ashamed of fucking everyday women who do not require payment for sex and proud of fucking hookers.I didn't see anything where Mr. Oakie indicated that ANYONE should be ashamed of who they fuck or how they get them to fuck them. But the point I see from Mr. Oakie's comments (and they are similar to my own) is that paying for pussy is not that complicated. And Mr. Oakie experiences seem similar to mine in that we both haven't any BAD sexual experiences in Sosua. Just saying! Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!
Does anybody have any information on where the Ho's at and how much they cost? Mr. Oakie can you hook a brother up? LOL!
If anyone feels I need to RTFF then answer the following question for me: If everything that one needs to know to buy pussy effectively in Sosua has already been written in this forum then why does anyone waste their time writing trip reports in the first place?
Mr Enternational
12-02-16, 03:09
Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!When was the last time you checked? I have been on here for over 10 years and the words of the forum's owner have always been as follows:
When was the last time you checked?Answer: When I just logged in and saw this particular thread was named: Sosua Reports! Question for you: Do you have information to exchange with us about having sex with women in Sosua ?
I'm certain that you do since you have been here for 10 years. Your exact words were "since when did free pussy become the exception"? Excellent question. Care to offer any insights into free pussy in Sosua. I'd like to know any tips you have to lower my expenses by possibly receiving free sexual services on my next trip there (as opposed to cutting back on other expenses such as cost of hotel, food and entertainment). Of course that leads me to an entirely different set of questions. Is fucking entertainment or work (especially if it's free pussy)?
Stories of conquests without insight into how things were accomplished do not constitute sharing of information in my opinion (humility is overrated). Thank you in advance. ROTFLMFAO!
Member #2041
12-02-16, 07:48
Answer: When I just logged in and saw this particular thread was named: Sosua Reports! Question for you: Do you have information to exchange with us about having sex with women in Sosua ?
I'm certain that you do since you have been here for 10 years. Your exact words were "since when did free pussy become the exception"? Excellent question. Care to offer any insights into free pussy in Sosua. I'd like to know any tips you have to lower my expenses by possibly receiving free sexual services on my next trip there (as opposed to cutting back on other expenses such as cost of hotel, food and entertainment). Of course that leads me to an entirely different set of questions. Is fucking entertainment or work (especially if it's free pussy)?
Stories of conquests without insight into how things were accomplished do not constitute sharing of information in my opinion (humility is overrated). Thank you in advance. ROTFLMFAO!In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.
Mr Enternational
12-02-16, 10:07
In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out? I guess everything ain't for everybody.
In my experience, "free" pussy is always, in the long run, the most expensive type. Over time, it's much cheaper to pay the going rate.
You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out?I don't see the part in Member #2041 post where he says that he has had bad experiences. A careful review of his post indicates that he has had different experiences with "free pussy" than yours.
A review of opinions given by several posters indicate the rate of pay (or lack thereof) does not affect the quality of services. The most expensive car I ever owned was a Mercedes E Class. It was the most expensive for me to purchase, maintain, operate and repair. But it was like driving around in my living room, with incredible handling, silky smooth ride while surrounded with the protection of a tank. So, it was also the best car I ever owned. The fact that it was also the most expensive didn't make it a bad experience, only a different one.
Different is not necessarily bad.
I didn't see anything where Mr. Oakie indicated that ANYONE should be ashamed of who they fuck or how they get them to fuck them. But the point I see from Mr. Oakie's comments (and they are similar to my own) is that paying for pussy is not that complicated. And Mr. Oakie experiences seem similar to mine in that we both haven't any BAD sexual experiences in Sosua. Just saying! Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!
Does anybody have any information on where the Ho's at and how much they cost? Mr. Oakie can you hook a brother up? LOL!
If anyone feels I need to RTFF then answer the following question for me: If everything that one needs to know to buy pussy effectively in Sosua has already been written in this forum then why does anyone waste their time writing trip reports in the first place?LOL!
We are talking Sosua, an outdoor market, but a trading post nevertheless just like Walmart.
The odds of getting a free TV from Walmart is so low, there's would be no point in having a forum dedicated to getting free stuff.
But I'll be back there in December and if anybody could tell me how to get those 4 or 5 beautiful young chicas I'll be fucking down there for free, I'll give it a shot!
I'll even buy the beer!
Mr Enternational
12-02-16, 18:36
I don't see the part in Member #2041 post where he says that he has had bad experiences. A careful review of his post indicates that he has had different experiences with "free pussy" than yours.However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".
Member #2041
12-03-16, 03:32
You must have had some pretty bad experiences if that is the case. Remember YMMV. I guess you have been getting some shitty mileage. And what happened to you get what you pay for? Are you telling us that our main metric in getting pussy should be to cheap out? I guess everything ain't for everybody.Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.
I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.
Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.
I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.Absolutely agree.
I have 3 or 4 attractive women at home in my life who are interested in some kind of relationship. These are women I've encouraged. But if they come over for the day, night or weekend, I'm always happy when they're gone so I can get back to my own selfish lifestyle, which I feel I have earned by working hard and raising a family. When they call or text, I'm flattered but sometimes just don't want to answer the phone.
It's an age thing for me. These women need and deserve more from me than I am willing to give.
It's Saturday morning now and I have 3 calls to return. That's work for me. I don't like to work to a calendar on my weekends. I have enough commitments to existing family anyway.
However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".But you are making an assumption that everyone ("any reasonable mind") would make the same deduction as you did. I didn't make that deduction. Do I have a reasonable mind? Or is your statement incorrect? (I'll leave that as a exercise for the reader but feel free to weigh in on the subject).
Also your analogy is incorrect. You said: "Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea". Then you quote the sentence from Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's threshold test for obscenity. The phrase "I know it when I see it" according to Wikipedia: "Is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters". The writer stated an opinion not a fact. And it was not a observable event. It can be argued that you are using a statement that deals with visual references which is not applicable in this instance. We are dealing with an entirely different idea. This "tone" of the written word of the writers post that you speak of is not same as a visual reference and therefore cannot be "seen" only interpreted. Furthermore, things need be explicitly said in order for everyone to get the same idea.
When you are finished trying to impress me and others with your knowledge of things completely unrelated to pussy, note that I'm still waiting for the exchange of information on having sex with women that you posted about. And if you could give me some insights on how to get free pussy in Sosua while you were at it that would be even better.
Here are my Sosua Mongering Suggestions:
1. Find a ho. 2. Fuck a ho. 3. Pay a ho.
In Sosua if you state explicitly the services that you want you are more likely (but not necessarily so) to receive them. The problem is similar to a purchasing any service, you order the service, you receive the service and pay for the service. But you may or may not be happy with the quality of the service. In an area as personal as sex, I would think the ho's are in an impossible situation when it comes to pleasing everyone and meeting individual quality standards for sexual experiences. Hell, even the quality of sex with my regulars vary depending upon their mood and mine also. If you don't like the price the ho wants to charge you for the services you wish to receive. Move on. If you ask for a specific service and she refuses tell her to put her clothes back on and get out. And if the service you receive is not good then don't repeat (but don't forget to moan and complain about it here).
I've always liked the idea that you don't pay for sex, you pay a ho to leave. Free pussy is often defined as "not paying money". In my country of origin you don't pay for jail or prison time. You receive free housing and free food. Remind you of anything. LOL!
However it is in the tone of his post when he indicates that free has always cost him more and gives the reader advice to pay up front for a cheaper rate. Therefore any reasonable mind will deduce that he sees getting free as a worse experience from a financial standpoint than tricking because it ALWAYS costs him more. Something does not always have to be explicitly said for someone to get the idea. See Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it. ".I gave you a lot of credit for questioning my reference to mongers here, as "normal average folks".
Yet above you appeal to these same people, as folks with "reasonable minds" to back up your opinions?
Aren't you forgetting we are all dysfunctional, third world poverty exploiting, adulterous, cheating, sexual addicts who spend thousand of dollars and travel thousands of miles, to pay for, on average, a 20 minute fuck with some poor hungry chica?
But you are making an assumption that everyone ("any reasonable mind") would make the same deduction as you did. I didn't make that deduction. Do I have a reasonable mind? Or is your statement incorrect? (I'll leave that as a exercise for the reader but feel free to weigh in on the subject).
There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.
There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.The problem with y'all is that you all want to quantify everybody's personal experience to make it align with your own. It's a circular argument that goes on forever and resolves nothing.
The reasons people need to do that I will leave to professional psychologists. (not the cheap amateur imposters that populate this forum).
There are so many variables to the actual cost of any commodity that it can only make sense to the individual and his individual means and personal desires. Some would rather drive a BMW and cut down on steak and alcohol, while some love to party and are happy to take the subway. It's all relative.
DR pussy is not cheap, if I'm sitting in the middle of Canada.
As for pay vs free, there are so many variables.
With a wife or GF, you can pay with money, your emotions, your time, your health, your sanity, your safety, your wealth, even your career.
With a puta you can pay by the pop, the hour, the time of day or night, or like some of us spend time with ladies who have no meter running at all but expect a reasonable reward, based on past expectations.
All you can do is relate your own experience.
I don't take issue with folks unless they question my own way to enjoy my life. (or in rare cases remind them of previous inconsistent positions they have taken while lecturing me).
Still comes all back to: one size doesn't fit all, and YMMV.
Just share!
Manizales911
12-04-16, 18:20
Actually, I've had many very fine experiences with paid pussy. But not with free pussy. You DO get what you pay for. If you don't pay money, you will pay for it in aggravation over time. I prefer to pay money.
I didn't mean to suggest that free pussy costs more MONEY over the long haul. But it will cost you more in terms of having to put up with crap. The best thing about paying for it is knowing that you can walk away at any time and it's done. Not so easy with freebies. Often, you give you your freedom to obtain free pussy. My freedom is priceless, and giving that up is quite a bit more costly to me than mere money.I agree 10000%. I paid dearly for "free" pussy in my life and now I just pay a few bucks and get better sex and with my favoritas a great day and night of partying and fucking.
Mr Enternational
12-04-16, 18:55
The problem with y'all is that you all want to quantify everybody's personal experience to make it align with your own.
Still comes all back to: one size doesn't fit all, and YMMV.
Just share!This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.
This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.True! It's life, Mr. E.
Some folks come back from the dance unsatisfied, while others have more action than they can handle. Winners and losers!
Life is not fair, but you can increase the odds by listening to the advice of winners, rather than losers!
Of course, like with politicians, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do! There are many ways to spot a phony, even if you've never met them!
you really haven't provided me with any useful information.Understood. Ok next time I'll address the head inside of your pants instead of the one connected to your neck.
This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.Their skepticism is understandable, as this forum is basically about sharing info on mongering, not the art of seduction. LOL.
The guys that come here, including you, are obviously missing something that they are not getting for free, that's why they are here.
Now you might be the kind of guy that read playboy for Hugh Heffner's articles on his "philosophy", but most were more interested in "paying tribute" to Barbie Benton.
Mr Enternational
12-05-16, 17:36
The guys that come here, including you, are obviously missing something that they are not getting for free, that's why they are here.What a big wrong assumption that is. Some days I like to cook at home and others I like to eat out. Some days I like a big juicy porterhouse and some days I like a hot dog and fries. Some days I like to drive my car and others I like being on my motorcycle. Some days I like a thick amazon chick and other days I like a skinny minnie. Some days I like a white chick. Some days I like a dark chick. Some days I like to fuck with nonpros and some days I like to fuck with hookers. It is ridiculous to assert that someone must be relegated to one or the other. If it is so obvious to you that something is missing from free chicks you should have no problem saying what that something is. It sounds like woman talk to me. Taking stabs in the dark trying to make something wrong when there is nothing wrong.
What a big wrong assumption that is. Some days I like to cook at home and others I like to eat out. Some days I like a big juicy porterhouse and some days I like a hot dog and fries. Some days I like to drive my car and others I like being on my motorcycle. Some days I like a thick amazon chick and other days I like a skinny minnie. Some days I like a white chick. Some days I like a dark chick. Some days I like to fuck with nonpros and some days I like to fuck with hookers. It is ridiculous to assert that someone must be relegated to one or the other. If it is so obvious to you that something is missing from free chicks you should have no problem saying what that something is. It sounds like woman talk to me. Taking stabs in the dark trying to make something wrong when there is nothing wrong.Nobody is telling you what to do! We are happy you are happy!
We are just trying to keep up with you. First you are getting pussy for free, then Sosua is finito and we all should all move on, you'd never go to Sosua unless you are forced, now it seems you are happy buying pussy in Sosua again.
Just keep in touch y,all!
Ok next time I'll address the head inside of your pants.No thanks! I got plenty of lovely chicas to do that. Didn't know you rolled like that my man. But to each his own.
Nobody is telling you what to do! We are happy you are happy!
We are just trying to keep up with you. First you are getting pussy for free, then Sosua is finito and we all should all move on, you'd never go to Sosua unless you are forced, now it seems you are happy buying pussy in Sosua again.
Just keep in touch y,all!..Damn straight Mr. Oakie! And all the while not a damn word actually deals with "sharing information on having sex with women. " From what I have read he is not the only poster not sharing any useful information on having sex with women in th Sosua Reports forum. (Professor WRX comes to mind).
This is the exact reason why I am tickled when people on this board say that I am living in a fantasyland and it is not possible to have done something that way or the other. Just because you do not get the same mileage as the next guy, there is no reason to assert that his car is not real.I haven't seen one post that says you are lying on your dick.
Although I don't find stories about your personal desires and exploits to be interesting or useful within the Sosua Reports forum, I'm sure others do. What I would find useful is a report that details or explains how you do what you do. I'd consider that a useful "exchange of information about having sex with women".
Staying with your analogy and writing style, in an informal conversation among friends, I'd tell you that I actually don't give a fuck about the type of car you use, tell me how you got the mileage you are claiming to get!
There is no need to complicate matters. What I took from the original post was that sex that is free is usually within the context of a (so-called romantic) relationship where sex is not explicitly paid for, but the long term cost after the sexual relationship is over may be much higher, especially if things like child support are involved, having to sell a jointly owned home and / or vehicles, give up part of a pension, and so on. The poster was clearly not referring to free sex donated by generous hookers, even though in the DR it is often possible to get a lap dance as a free sample, whereas in the US people actually pay for lap dances--or so I have heard.Nothing complicated about establishing a set standard and placing a quantitative value on sex. That would allow all sex to be measured on a set scale.
Because the possibility exists that "free sex" that happens (using your definition) or because one "has game" or one just "gets lucky" may not cost anything close to what it costs to pay a prostitute for sex (even for a short time). One has to keep the situations and the context in mind.
I would assert that the cost of a long term relationship involving "free sex" would cost you a lot less within the DR than the same relationship would cost in my country of origin.
I don't think comparing relationship sex to sex with prostitutes on a qualitative level is possible.
For me they have been / are very different qualitative experiences. For me, when judging my sexual experiences on a qualitative basis, sex with a prostitute has on average never been better than sex that I've had within a relationship. I understand that my opinion may be a unique one. It represents my biases, personal preferences and paradigm that I bring to the table when filing the after action report and conducting the debriefing. But that does not mean that I haven't had some excellent sexual experiences with prostitutes that, on a qualitative basis, was sexually satisfying also. It's just not possible for me to compare them. Because in my mind (which one is exercise left to the reader) they are very different types of experiences.
If had to grade the sex on a strict quantitative basis, I'm not entirely certain that relationship sex was / is more expensive than sex with prostitutes on a cost per orgasm basis, especially if my experiences and data was sorted by country where the action took place. This is because the Dominican Republic has some unique characteristics that allow you to have an ongoing sexual relationship (if you live here) for well within the costs (on a per orgasm basis) that others spend having sex with prostitutes on an ad hoc manner. Let me rephrase that for the inevitable critics that will read and comment. This is because the Dominican Republic has some unique characteristics that allow me to have an ongoing sexual relationship (since I live here) for well within the costs (on a per orgasm basis) that I have spent having sex with prostitutes on an ad hoc manner.
Are you happy now? LOL!
Mr Enternational
12-07-16, 10:34
Damn straight Mr. Oakie! And all the while not a damn word actually deals with "sharing information on having sex with women. " From what I have read he is not the only poster not sharing any useful information on having sex with women in th Sosua Reports forum. (Professor WRX comes to mind).Looks like you better include yourself in that basket as well. Where is the last post that you have written in the Sosua Reports thread that shares useful information on having sex with women? Out of the 6 visible posts that you have on this page alone none of them do. You are making numerous posts telling people what their posts are missing while at the same time your numerous posts are missing the exact element that you complain that other posts are missing. No excuses sir. Just point us to the post.
I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:
1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?
2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?
3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.
Looks like you better include yourself in that basket as well.Really?! Thanks for your opinion on the matter. I prefer to let the readers of this section weigh in on the matter.
Where is the last post that you have written in the Sosua Reports thread that shares useful information on having sex with women? Out of the 6 visible posts that you have on this page alone none of them do.Ah shit! You done gone straight quantitative on my ass. Let me take my hands off the keyboard for a moment (it helps me count). You said last six visible posts "on this page alone. " That's a tough standard to meet and you have made that very specific request only to make your point. Posts are on the move all the time across the page due to the participation of others. I prefer a different standard that everyone can use. Count the last six posts that I made to this section before this one. Tell me if you missed this one?
Here are my Sosua Mongering Suggestions:
1. Find a ho. 2. Fuck a ho. 3. Pay a ho.
In Sosua if you state explicitly the services that you want you are more likely (but not necessarily so) to receive them. The problem is similar to a purchasing any service, you order the service, you receive the service and pay for the service. But you may or may not be happy with the quality of the service. In an area as personal as sex, I would think the ho's are in an impossible situation when it comes to pleasing everyone and meeting individual quality standards for sexual experiences. Hell, even the quality of sex with my regulars vary depending upon their mood and mine also. If you don't like the price the ho wants to charge you for the services you wish to receive. Move on. If you ask for a specific service and she refuses tell her to put her clothes back on and get out. And if the service you receive is not good then don't repeat (but don't forget to moan and complain about it here).
I've always liked the idea that you don't pay for sex, you pay a ho to leave. Free pussy is often defined as "not paying money". In my country of origin you don't pay for jail or prison time. You receive free housing and free food. Remind you of anything. LOL!And then you say:
No excuses sir.None needed. But within your six most recent posts in the Sosua section I fail to see one where you have "exchanged information on having sex with women" let alone useful information. Didn't you post that you have been here for 10 years and that was purpose of the forum.
Just point us to the post.Just did! But more importantly, does this discussion hinge on the sharing of useful information?
Because in that case, I completely understand why someone who's most recent posts in this section seem to be focused on free pussy, their personal preferences and desires, and arguing with others using references unrelated to pussy would not find my Sosua Mongering Suggestions to be a "useful exchange of information on having sex with women". In addition, you continue and have repeatedly failed to share with us any information on how you are getting this free pussy in Sosua. I and I'm sure most others would find that information very useful. If I remember correctly someone even offered a reward for this type for the information to anyone who could provide it. LOL!
Where the ho's at?
I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:If you and you buddies are seeking out paid pussy. I agree with you. It is indeed a bad idea. Being new why make logistics hard? But if you are going to be getting free pussy in Sosua (like some of the other posters on this board) then it sounds like a villa would be the perfect place to entertain and impresses your conquests. Besides, a villa allows for off the chain freak parties (if that's you and your buddies sort of thing). But be clear on guest policy (if any) and noise issues if your are not isolated. No need to attract any unwanted attention.
1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?That depends strictly on how far away you are from where you want to go. And how much money you are willing to spend to get back and forth. Do you speak enough Spanish to call a taxi on the phone and give them their location? Will motoconchos be easily available at your location? Are you comfortable taking a motoconcho? Driving is easy in that part of the Dominican Republic.
2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?On that I must defer to others. WRX lives there and can certainly provide insight into that issue should he decide to bestow his extensive knowledge upon you. Hopefully others will chime in also.
3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.There is racial bias in this country (or simply color bias). But I've only blatantly experienced it once. I don't know your ethnic background. But remember we are all "gringos" here.
Mr Enternational
12-07-16, 15:52
Looks like that post from SubCmdr will not be pointed out since I received this PM from him. I am compelled to point out the inaccuracy of said PM.
"Our battle.
You like WRX have selective memory and responses. You are the one that pointed out what the forum was for while failing to adhere to the very post you made.
I'll let you continue alone on your path of tit for tat responses. I was making a point. What's your excuse?"
It seems you are the one with the selective memory. You wrote:
Now, the last time I checked this was supposed to be the forum about Ho's, Putas, Chicas selling pussy in Sosua. If I'm wrong about this then let a brother know!I mererly responded to your request and "let a brother know" verbatim what the inventor/owner of this forum states the purpose of it is (no guesswork needed) . My excuse is that I did not pull a purpose out of my ass as you had done. Neither did I single out a particular member nor direct to the group that they must adhere to the owner's purpose as you said people should be following a particular guideline. I have never attempted to dictate what the content of another man's post should be. That is my mf excuse.
Now that you have been caught up in your shit of not practicing what you were preaching, you was just playing, it was all only a test and just to make a point. Once again, sounds like some female shit to me.
I do not expect a response since you said you will let me continue alone on my path of tit for tat responses....Well that is until your selective memory kicks back in.
I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:
1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?
2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?
3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.1. Depends where you are. On the main coastal highway there are cheap public taxis round the clock and also motoconchos (motor bike taxis), and if you get the numbers of taxi drivers you can call them any time to pick you up, but this is a pricier option. If you have to walk several hundred yards to the highway and there is hot sun or torrential rain, or you are in the company of someone wearing high heels, this may affect your comfort level.
2. Probably between Sosua and Cabarete. La Mulata (upper Sosua) maybe, though people will tell you there have been home invasions there, and you don't want to have to walk the steep hill, especially at night. I would tend to avoid anywhere between Sosua and Montellano.
3. If you call on the phone and say your name is Barry White, you should be OK. If the owner thinks that you are a bunch of young guys who will make a lot of noise, play loud music late at night, use illegal drugs, bring prostitutes in at all hours of the day, and trash the residence, be unhygienic in the kitchen, eat in the bedrooms and attract roaches and ants, spill alcohol in the pool, and the villa is situated in a nice neighborhood, there might indeed be complaints from the neighbors or the owner might be wary about renting to your party, but who can really say, because it would depend on the owner and many other factors? On the other hand, groups of single men are a significant part of the local tourist market and their money is as good as anyone else's. There are people from all over the world in the area including many Russians, Americans, French-Canadians, Italians, Brits, South Americans, so ethnicity is not a huge deal per se, (unless you are Haitian.).
So when you make the reservation, whether it be online, by phone, or by letter it would probably be a good idea to give the impression that you are heading a responsible group of wealthy middle-aged businessmen golfers on a corporate junket, but it might not make any difference.
Looks like that post from SubCmdr will not be pointed out since I received this PM from him. I am compelled to point out the inaccuracy of said PM.
"Our battle.
You like WRX have selective memory and responses. You are the one that pointed out what the forum was for while failing to adhere to the very post you made.
I'll let you continue alone on your path of tit for tat responses. I was making a point. What's your excuse?"No my man. Posting my PM to make your point is girly man action if I've ever seen it. Wao!
I decided to take our pointless conversation to PM. Because when you pointed out that I was not making posts that contained any useful information I realized had you had lost your objectivity and it had reached a level of irrationality. Because if you had of actually read my posts there would have been no need for your challenge. Your post was inaccurate. I gave you a chance in PM to realize the inaccuracy. But you failed to do so.
This is tennis. As long as the moderator allows it and you continue to hit the ball back I will too. But obviously you were not satisfied with having the last word. And now you have stepped not just on but all over your dick. What about this is so important to you? There was nothing inaccurate about my PM to you. And if there was why did you respond in a straight girly man fashion. No, you could have left it alone. You could have responded via PM. But instead you have decided to continue this in the public forum.
So let's continue. In your own words "it was all only a test and just to make a point". Your post illustrates that you were simply interested in making a point and testing me as opposed to actually "exchanging information on having sex with women". When I pointed this out to you previously you chose to either ignore me, quote my words out of context or like a good minion working for a politician forget your words and instead spin a new story in each new post that you made.
Simply because Mr. Enternational says it does not make it valid or accurate. You have declared yourself the winner. How? By engaging in girly man type activities. If this was your self declared test, next time make sure you take it yourself and that you have all the answers. Because I'm giving you a failing grade. Study harder next time and choose your words more carefully or engage a different subject with your diatribe. I don't really want to hear it.
Now at any point you actually wish to "exchange information with me about having sex with women" via PM or in the Sosua reports forum I'm interested in hearing it. If not, feel free to continue doing what you are doing. But take the smug, self satisfied smile off your face. Come back on the stage. And pick the mike up again if you dare.
I will be going to Sosua soon with some other guys. None of us have ever been there. They are insisting on staying in a villa a mile or two outside of the main scene and possibly renting a car. Sounds like a bad idea to me but they think it will be nicer, more relaxing, etc. At a villa. A few questions:
1. How easy will it be to get back and forth WITHOUT renting a car (walking, taxis, etc.)?
2. If we rent a villa which neighborhoods should we stay in?
3. Would it be better for one of us with a "white" sounding name to arrange the villa? One of the guys heard that there could be problems reserving if we sound too ethnic.I would just come to the usual monger's Sosua, New Garden, Europa, Terra Linda, and if you have any free time, aside from banging putas, (or seducing the local women, as some call it) check out the town, the layout and the area in case you want to come back!
(And leave your racial stereotypes at home!)
(or seducing the local women, as some call it)Damn straight Mr. Oakie! But I've noticed that those claiming they are doing it the seducing have failed to "exchange information" on the subject that they love to brag about. Maybe they don't want us to know about the secret. You know the secret that if you have pesos in Sosua putas will fuck you. I read all about that here. Many posters have provided information about that activity. They actually provided information about where the putas were at and how much they cost. I found it very useful. My memory may be selective. But that's because I only remember useful information.
Here's a great line tag line for a Sosua advertising campaign: "How much seduction do you have in your wallet"?
Where the ho's at? LOL!
Tempoecorto
12-07-16, 18:43
I just came back from a short trip which unlike in the past, became purely a Sosua trip.
1. I got a ticket priced at $370 by American via Miami (a seriously fucked up place in airport design) to POP which sealed the deal. I rented a car as usual at POP to travel to Santiago but the two new contacts there chickened out and so I decided not to bother about going there at all.
2. I ate at German bar and grill and Schemmer Stube, the Italian restaurant next to Bologna, The presumably Canadian sports bar for a hamburger at the corner on Pedro Clissante and corner of the road coming from metro bus terminus. Discovered two Domenican places. One a fish place, the other side of Charmico Caribe bus terminus in Charamico and the other in Sosua past the Superpola and at an intersection of the main road and one that takes you to Playa chica. This last was quite a discovery. Clean and with a large variety. From fish to barbecue to my favorite. Chivo picante. Highly recommended if you are into good food. "Cocina de Yanet".
3. Sosua does not cut it for me for the pro experience is never satisfying, for me. I called in three and let two go immediately. I re-connected with one that was a bad experience the first time several trips back but interestingly it became progressively better this time as she grew more confidence in me.
4. I had a good experience with a young Haitian woman I had discovered a couple of trips back. However, one of my problems is that after a while I get bored with the same person. In any case, I introduced her to a Canadian from Montreal and they seem to have hit it off well. Hopefully this would be fruitful for both for a while.
5. I was leaving the airport in my rental care when I saw a woman walking towards the main road out of the airport. I stopped and gave her a lift. She works for the Government at the airport, have been doing so for the last ten years. I was able to ask her to come to see me that evening. This woman in her late twenties, was punctual and I took her to an Italian pizza place. She was a different experience compared to the usual others. She was very concerned about a physical liaison the first meet (and I let it go) but by the third encounter, was wet as soon as we were intimate. It was rather satisfying. The first trip, I did not give her any money; the second trip, I took her to buy some groceries -she spent a remarkable 200 pesos of my money and the third time, I gave her some money. Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive.
In summary, an okay trip. My most pleasant moments were long chats with the relatively younger French Canadian man and a young German Engineer; we spent two delectable evenings, on the streets of Sosua, smoking, drinking whiskey and beer and chatting about Montreal and Stuttgart and other stories, while eying the women on the road.
Mr Enternational
12-07-16, 22:01
I was not premature. You are being moderated so you are on delay. Write and ask Jackson to take you off moderation.
And what you wrote on finding hos, fucking hos, and paying hos was general and generic and could be used anywhere. It was not specific to Sosua. In other words nobody would find that garbage "useful" because they had already planned to come to Sosua to do just that.
So it appears he does want to continue tit for tat; he just prefers to do it in PM instead of the public forum.
Better review the board again.
You were a bit premature.
Posting my PM in the public forum was straight girly man action. And so it continues.
I'd write something more explicit, but it wouldn't make it through the censor.
Feel free to publish this also.
I was not premature. You are being moderated so you are on delay. Write and ask Jackson to take you off moderation.
And what you wrote on finding hos, fucking hos, and paying hos was general and generic and could be used anywhere. It was not specific to Sosua. In other words nobody would find that garbage "useful" because they had already planned to come to Sosua to do just that.
So it appears he does want to continue tit for tat; he just prefers to do it in PM instead of the public forum.Since you are taking requests. Drop it like it's hot. But before you do post something you consider useful.
So, he can have it. Say whatever you need to in your next post and you win the point. Game, Set, Match to Mr. E. You happy now (expletive deleted)? LOL!
Mr Enternational
12-08-16, 00:15
Excellent plan Mr. E. Since I am on moderation and my posts are delay, I'll just write to you via PM and you can post what I write. It will speed the process up. Doesn't change the fact that you have spent much more time posting about things unrelated to "sharing information about having sex with women". If you want the last word you can have it.Still not sure why you are coming at me (the messenger) with this. I have never said that anyone in here must post one certain thing or another. All I did was to correct you on WHAT Jackson SAYS is the purpose of the forum. And remember you sent an open invitation for someone to correct you if you were wrong.
Well sir you were wrong. And I did just as you asked by screenshotting what the forum owner (not me) wrote was the purpose of the forum. Now you point at me like you are being a tattletale saying that I don't follow that (reminds me of how Kobe did Shaq). Hell I never claimed to follow it and I never asked anyone else to follow it either. It was you who wanted to jump badass with your chest poked out telling everybody "your version" (as incorrect as it may have been) of what the purpose was, as if ISG was your own creation. If you were afraid to be wrong then you never should have sent an open invitation for someone to correct you. The shit might have slipped through. But you were so sure of yourself.
Let me take a wild ass guess. Now you will try to claim that you were not the brother that you were referring to when you wrote that if you were wrong about it then someone should "let a brother know"? Seems to me a brother really didn't want to know because he can not accept when he is dead ass wrong.
First it was girly man action to post what you wrote in PM, now you are asking me to post what you write. Which is it going to be? Get your shit together man; I hate to see you all discombobulated like this. You should be leaving the arena with your head down in shame.
Member #2041
12-08-16, 00:32
I thought this was an adult website. So why are there immature children posting on it?
I just came back from a short trip which unlike in the past, became purely a Sosua trip.
1. I got a ticket priced at $370 by American via Miami (a seriously fucked up place in airport design) to POP which sealed the deal. I rented a car as usual at POP to travel to Santiago but the two new contacts there chickened out and so I decided not to bother about going there at all.
2. I ate at German bar and grill and Schemmer Stube, the Italian restaurant next to Bologna, The presumably Canadian sports bar for a hamburger at the corner on Pedro Clissante and corner of the road coming from metro bus terminus. Discovered two Domenican places. One a fish place, the other side of Charmico Caribe bus terminus in Charamico and the other in Sosua past the Superpola and at an intersection of the main road and one that takes you to Playa chica. This last was quite a discovery. Clean and with a large variety. From fish to barbecue to my favorite. Chivo picante. Highly recommended if you are into good food. "Cocina de Yanet".
3. Sosua does not cut it for me for the pro experience is never satisfying, for me. I called in three and let two go immediately. I re-connected with one that was a bad experience the first time several trips back but interestingly it became progressively better this time as she grew more confidence in me.Excellent example Mr. Tempoecorto of an exchange of information about having sex with women in Sosua. Anyone else paying attention? Anyone else need too?
Does anyone have any intel on the slim girl who works at Ricks? Her name is Ruth.
Still not sure why you are coming at me (the messenger) with this. I have never said that anyone in here must post one certain thing or another. All I did was to correct you on WHAT Jackson SAYS is the purpose of the forum. And remember you sent an open invitation for someone to correct you if you were wrong.
Well sir you were wrong. And I did just as you asked by screenshotting what the forum owner (not me) wrote was the purpose of the forum. Now you point at me like you are being a tattletale saying that I don't follow that (reminds me of how Kobe did Shaq). Hell I never claimed to follow it and I never asked anyone else to follow it either. It was you who wanted to jump badass with your chest poked out telling everybody "your version" (as incorrect as it may have been) of what the purpose was, as if ISG was your own creation. If you were afraid to be wrong then you never should have sent an open invitation for someone to correct you. The shit might have slipped through. But you were so sure of yourself.
Let me take a wild ass guess. Now you will try to claim that you were not the brother that you were referring to when you wrote that if you were wrong about it then someone should "let a brother know"? Seems to me a brother really didn't want to know because he can not accept when he is dead ass wrong.
First it was girly man action to post what you wrote in PM, now you are asking me to post what you write. Which is it going to be? Get your shit together man; I hate to see you all discombobulated like this. You should be leaving the arena with your head down in shame.Some folks can't handle or admit being wrong or shown their errors, successfully. He deleted an entire exchange between him and I for that reason. Not because it didn't meet the objective of the forum. And it wasnt like it was in Sosua Reports, it was in his personally moderated forum. Further, he is the one who copies information from another forum to address you in his. So if there was a problem with anybodies post/focus not meeting his objective, he shouldnt have copied their post from another forum to address them in his?
Now if the exchange doesn't go according to his satisfaction, chances are the entire exchange will be deleted anyway. Because he cannot delete your exchange in this forum, the damage control effort is gonna be unrelenting. So have fun.
I observed long ago why a lot of folks stopped engaging him in one on one discourse, as well as drop off from posting in his forum. That alone speaks volumes. That forum seems to be dead? Or maybe it's low season? Whatever, he's got to find some new victims ( unwitting ) to play with him. Which is probably the reason for all of this going on in Sosua Reports, Mr G's forum and who knows where else on ISG? Oh and I had my share of PM's with him. I don't think he enjoyed going that route with me either. I tried to resolve things on some level. But he's a special fellow with a lot going on. I decided to apply the best approach.
Excellent example Mr. Tempoecorto of an exchange of information about having sex with women in Sosua. Anyone else paying attention? Anyone else need too?Folks on this forum are so adversarial now I think it is more about ego than sharing actual experiences. It is basically a pissing match with some posters who will adopt any opinion, no matter how inconsistent, to deride others who are perceived to be a threat to their ego, street cred, rep, their worldview, whatever.
This would be weird on an anonymous forum, but it turns out that these people are personally acquainted with each other, which explains the tag team attacks and the piling on to defend some half-assed opinion, which they themselves will be knocking down a few pages later. "Sosua is OK / Sosua is finished, putas are bad, I never go to Sosua unless I'm forced / I go to Sosua and get free pussy. Locals are bad / locals are good. A long time relationship is for suckers / I'm looking for a long time relationship / I have a long time relationship". They have to be careful they don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off their pals who may not agree with them.
It can be just a circle jerk. A fine example of groupthink!
They've tried to run me off a couple times, because I laughed at their bullshit.
With a finger to the wind, these people take any and every "cool" position, on any given day, so it is a complete waste of time to debate them, there is no "there" there. No consistent logic to discuss. If you have a good memory, or even check back a few pages, it is obvious.
With these would be moderators on the prowl, checking everything from your grammar, language, to the price you pay, and even the propina you give a local, (not necessary they whine, because you could be "spoiling the monger market", with your generosity, reminding you of their "monger's code".
"Monger's Code?" LOL
These folks remind me of the government inspectors at home that check an illegal MP to make sure the sign "No Smoking" sign is properly and prominently displayed. A one liner is usually all you need to dispense with their nonsense.
But my beef is it has a chilling effect on new posters, who are are worried about admitting any mistakes, and either don't bother to post, or join the pissing match.
Instead of real honest opinion and shared experience there is just bullshit.
Even my esteemed poster Tempoecorto is careful to qualify his session with a local chica, and I quote:
"Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive".
Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots!
So there ya are!
Hey, it's just my opinion, ok?
I write for newbies like me, who maybe worked in smokey steel mills, waited hours at snowy bus stops for buses that were late or never showed up, played endless games to get a quick fuck, and who dreamed of a tropical Island, white sand, palm trees, turqoise clear water, where the local young native beauties weren't hung up about sex, and would treat you like a king, for a few trinkets. You could even have a harem, like a Sultan.
I found it, and so can they!
Life is good! (If you don't let the idiots grind you down).
Folks on this forum are so adversarial now I think it is more about ego than sharing actual experiences. It is basically a pissing match with some posters who will adopt any opinion, no matter how inconsistent, to deride others who are perceived to be a threat to their ego, street cred, rep, their worldview, whatever.No truer words have been spoken Mr. Oakie. Preach! And you don't have to look far for the latests examples just a couple of posts below yours and there you have it.
This would be weird on an anonymous forum, but it turns out that these people are personally acquainted with each other, which explains the tag team attacks and the piling on to defend some half-assed opinion, which they themselves will be knocking down a few pages later. It can be just a circle jerk. A fine example of groupthink! They've tried to run me off a couple times, because I laughed at their bullshit.As have I. Hang tough brother Oakie. It's not their world. Only in their own mind.
With these would be moderators on the prowl, checking everything from your grammar, language, to the price you pay, and even the propina you give a local, (not necessary they whine, because you could be "spoiling the monger market", with your generosity, reminding you of their "monger's code". A one liner is usually all you need to dispense with their nonsense.My brother, my brother ease up on the mother fuckers. You going hard into their earholes!
But my beef is it has a chilling effect on new posters, who are are worried about admitting any mistakes, and either don't bother to post, or join the pissing match. Instead of real honest opinion and shared experience there is just bullshit.Tell them my brother! Came on this board with new ideas and different ways of doing things and was immediately challenged. Made my first post in the Sosua section and they were clowning me. It's a problem that lies deeply within them.
Even my esteemed poster Tempoecorto is careful to qualify his session with a local chica, and I quote: "Some here will say that, that makes her a puta but from my perspective, while I could have done without making any payment whatsoever, the little money I gave her helps her and I made sure it did not look like a quid pro quo. Besides, I do not live life by always matching the credit side with debit. By the way, a couple of times, I went to her place to pick her up, she lives outside of Sosua. A 15 minutes drive". Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots!Who are they? They are the ones that don't matter. They are the critics. Men in the arena know this. Yes, my brother! Can I get a witness?
I write for newbies like me, who maybe worked in smokey steel mills, waited hours at snowy bus stops for buses that were late or never showed up, played endless games to get a quick fuck, and who dreamed of a tropical Island, white sand, palm trees, turqoise clear water, where the local young native beauties weren't hung up about sex, and would treat you like a king, for a few trinkets. You could even have a harem, like a Sultan. I found it, and so can they! Life is good! (If you don't let the idiots grind you down)..Damn straight life is good! If these traveling tourist mother fuckers (and even the ones that live here) can't enjoy the complete package of goodies to be found in the Dominican Republic. Fuck them! No, mother fuck them! One thing I've found is that it's seems the problems you outlined my brother is unique to the cast of characters that that have taken up residence in the Dominican Republic forum. Because when I read the exchanges in other forums I do not find the same hostility (often displayed in a borderline sociopaths manner) that I find in other forums.
Men in arena are the ones: "who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly". - Theodore Roosevelt.
This is not the arena mother fuckers. This is where men in the arena report on their exploits. Men the arena know that the critics don't matter. But the critics have forgotten this. The critics think all they need to do is simply shout the loudest or the longest they will be able to drown out all others and make their point. Some can't even recognize when someone concedes the point. They think is some sort of written "blood sport". When the idea changes from exchanging information on having sex with women (paid or unpaid) and really communicating to simply making your point, then it simply becomes written tennis.
Once the conversation devolves to this point it's most unfortunate. Because in tennis you have a court with clearly marked lines, a net, an Umpire and Line Judges. The players hit the ball over the net within the confines of the lines until one of the players fail to do so. When that happens the point is over. Points develop into games, games into sets, and eventually match point. At the end of the match the two players come to the net, shake hands and then shake the hands of the umpire. We don't have the benefit of that sort of civility or sportsmanship here.
The sun is out. The sea state off the coast of Santo Domingo este is calm. It's like glass. I want to goto the beach my brother. I'll bring the rum and the beer, you bring the ho's. That my brother is the Arena!
As some of you may recall, the entire sidewalk on the Rumba / Latin drink side of the street was ripped up months ago. And it's been that way for a long while. But in recent days / weeks progress is being made daily to repair the sidewalk. The curb on that same side has been fixed and filled. In previous weeks, it was a serious parking hazard as several cars had their back or front wheels stuck deep in the hole (where the curb used to be) and the only way to get them out was with a towing type vehicle.
Now one can park freely on that side of the street since the curb has been replaced. A shitload of gravel and bricks are piled up on the unpaved sidewalk, indicating the materials that will be used to rebuild the sidewalk. It's very possible, that if Rumba does have clearance in which to re open, it would likely be possible once the sidewalk is completed in it's entirety. As it is now, Rumba or anything else on that side could not operate as long as the sidewalk is all tore up. So I'm hoping, that is the only reason Rumba is still closed.
The little taxi house on the corner of Dr. Rosen and Pedro Clisante recently got a make over. So I'm sure the taxistas should be happy. The Latin Drink has construction going on behind it's partitions. Not sure what it's going to be upon completion, but it's nice to see some work going on for a change. The barricades set up in the street have a picture of the mayor on it. I guess that is her way of letting folks know that she is connected to the current project at hand?
Let me add. The barricades I mentioned are not for closing the street. They were set up near the area where the curb was being repaired. So that nothing or anybody would get close enough to damage the concrete that was poured for the curb.
Were now nearing the Christmas holiday season, and chicas seem to be in that zone of seeking clients to make that holiday money. I have to say, just before Thanksgiving a wave of mongers were visibly present. Especially those coming with several friends all at the same time. But it seems, at least this week it's slowing down again. I think for expats and vacationers, that's a good thing. Bourbon Street, Merengue Bar, Clasico, City Lights, the Playa, The Casino, various other bars and restaurants, The Bon ice cream store, chicas hanging out near hotels, or walking to or from the strip, there are still plenty of options for most mongers to suit many tastes.
Chicas are still being chased by the Politur police, but that has become the norm. Chicas often try to get guys standing nearby to escort them to Merengue or Clasicos. In fact, Merengue has been loosely enforcing a chicas have to be escorted in policy. I say loosely because the security at the door sometimes makes exceptions on certain chicas requiring an escort. Funny thing though, I notice a few chicas that ask a guy to escort them in dump that guy the second they get in, they don't even try to see if he can be a client. It's like they are looking for bigger fish in Merengue waters.
On another note, if you feel like me, now that all of that consistent daily / nightly rain has stopped, the sun and warmth is a welcome change. I'm sure many a chica has profited off of our storm woes in the DR. Because so many guys have received pics of flooding devastation from chicas in their effort to get sympathy and money. Meanwhile in more than enough instances, the pics have zero to do with the chica personally. A lot of guys I know kept asking me about all of the damage they heard of. And they want to know what happened in Sosua specifically. Here in Sosua the most we had were a few flooded streets. Where the water eventually receded.
But hardly did we get any of the devastation going on in various areas in the north coast (The DR in general) where it's known for major flooding problems. Enough chicas have used that as an opportunity to hit guys up abroad for money. Meanwhile, I'm right here, and never got a bunch of requests like that. Well only one, but I know she has a few guys on the hook. She probably sent every client past or present in her contacts (including me) a group text.
The sun is out. The sea state off the coast of Santo Domingo este is calm. It's like glass. I want to goto the beach my brother. I'll bring the rum and the beer, you bring the ho's. That my brother is the Arena!I'm with you!
Maybe we could invite along another bro to make sure we don't pay too much, smoke that Cohiba out on the highway, don't leave a propina if one is already on the cuenta, and show these ho's that we will stcik together and not break the "Monger's Code" and spoil the market for stupida tourista gringos who don't know how to buy a fuck in a brothel without a guide book!
We can "have each others back" to make sure that those young beautiful chicas don't take advantage of us!
Remember, it's a Disney Theme Park jungle out there :)
ForceSteeler
12-09-16, 14:56
On another note, if you feel like me, now that all of that consistent daily / nightly rain has stopped, the sun and warmth is a welcome change. I'm sure many a chica has profited off of our storm woes in the DR. Because so many guys have received pics of flooding devastation from chicas in their effort to get sympathy and money. Meanwhile in more than enough instances, the pics have zero to do with the chica personally. A lot of guys I know kept asking me about all of the damage they heard of. And they want to know what happened in Sosua specifically. Here in Sosua the most we had were a few flooded streets. Where the water eventually receded.
But hardly did we get any of the devastation going on in various areas in the north coast (The DR in general) where it's known for major flooding problems. Enough chicas have used that as an opportunity to hit guys up abroad for money. Meanwhile, I'm right here, and never got a bunch of requests like that. Well only one, but I know she has a few guys on the hook. She probably sent every client past or present in her contacts (including me) a group text.Yeah there are suckers born every minute. Its to the point where chicas don't even have to sell ToeToe like that anymore, Its to easy to get money from these western union suckers. Put I can't blame these guys, They are just happy to have a pretty girl give them attention.
Mr Enternational
12-09-16, 16:07
I'm with you!According to SubCmdr, these posts are supposed to be telling us about getting pussy in Sosua. They are not supposed to be about sucking each other off.
According to SubCmdr, these posts are supposed to be telling us about getting pussy in Sosua. They are not supposed to be about sucking each other off.I thought we were on topic about sharing our love of Sosua.
Unlike you I've never met these folks, so I take them at their word.
Sorry to spoil your day!
(But you left out the part about us enjoying the sea, the sun, the beach, the rum, the hoes)
But we know that is very foreign to you negative, nattering forum police! :)
Tempoecorto
12-09-16, 21:02
Even Tempoecorto is carefully trying to justify his small payment. Who are these "some here", he is referring to? Who the fuck cares about these idiots!Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!
I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.
Last night was ladies night. I say that because it's the only time you can see more women than men. It's been raining for a few weeks and last night was a very clear night. I went to Classico and enjoyed The View. Wasn't crowded and they had nice dime pieces. Really look live for a Thursday. The police is a little relaxed however they do Chase a chica or two from time to time. I had a girl approached me and offered to do everything for 3500. I started to give her a Mr. E. laugh. She did later come back and asked me how much will I give her. Definitely some dime pieces trying to catch an early bird. I see a lot of girls here from Boca Chica. Damn I thought they were eating well there but now they are here.
We hit the club about 1:45. It's good to see the hour is back to normal for Club closing. After Clasico everyone heads to the new spot. You need a car or a motorcycle to get there. I know the bad boys love that. Now they can get more business taking people to and fro the other Disco. It is not the casino with its after hour party I don't want to go in another Disco. I really didn't like after 1 after all. I was trying to zero in on a fat ass Haitian I've been wanting her and she don't even know it. Another chica came and bogarted my attention. She was kind of rude but I have seen we have session before was the reason why interrupted my conversation. A blast from the past ask me for a session. I remembered her from the past and she made the repeat list. I seen her before and started to take her but I didn't like how she was looking that day. She put it in her calculator and says you can go with me for 2000 Peso. I counted fifteen thousand and tip if she performs like she did before.
We got to my room and we put one in the air. We smoked a whole cigar. She was nice and high. She asked me could she stay all night. She had 3 kids and wasn't your regular knockout Dime Piece. However she had a nice shape and very very soft skin. I say she's about a 6 and looks and 7 on the body. I was going to put her on the possible list. I was on one side of the street across from Classico when the police appeared girls. Four chicas did the Wilma Rudolph up the road. The girl that was talking to ran and grabbed my arm and said she's with me. She lucky I knew her. And that's how I ended up with her. She turned up for the check. She f* better then I've had all week. I did not ask for it fellatio she volunteered it. Damn good I knew why she made my list. The session was the best on this trip so far. The next morning I gave her a dress and 2000 pesos. Oh yes she gave me another session early this morning. I like her she definitely deserves to be in rotation.
I'm in the Sue and the bottom just fell out. I don't know where all that rain came from it was clear a few minutes ago when I was outside. All good with me this is my chill time. My Haitian friend knows how I get down so she bought me a new friend from Puerto Plata fresh off the boat. 19 with no children about 5 ft 7 in. Size 7/8. She can't speak any Spanish only French and creole. She's not as chocolate as I would normally prefer but because she's Raw I'm going to work with her. I overheard her girlfriend telling her to f* the s* out of me. She laugh and gave her girlfriend Hi 5. She should be good until about 1 o'clock until I hit the strip.
Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!
I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M.
This little Haitian tender was a monster. She f* me every which way. Completely GFE. Yes I know I shouldn't be kissing these Hoes. But BO sticks his finger and tongue in their asses. He kind of got me hyped. This girl was so Raw. She hadn't even shaved. She was a lighter shade of brown. Her ass fit just right in those size 7 shorts I gave her. Her beast were light brown with a red nipples. Young and firm. She keep creaming snot on my condom. I should had powered up with a whole cialis for her ass. She let me ground and pound. I worked her young ass and now she's snoring. She was so good fuck Classico. I have tomorrow. This GFE in the Sosua in rare.
This little Haitian tender was a monster. She f* me every which way. Completely GFE. Yes I know I shouldn't be kissing these Hoes. But BO sticks his finger and tongue in their asses. He kind of got me hyped. This girl was so Raw. She hadn't even shaved. She was a lighter shade of brown. Her ass fit just right in those size 7 shorts I gave her. Her beast were light brown with a red nipples. Young and firm. She keep creaming snot on my condom. I should had powered up with a whole cialis for her ass. She let me ground and pound. I worked her young ass and now she's snoring. She was so good fuck Classico. I have tomorrow. This GFE in the Sosua in rare.Woohoo sounds like a real catch man. Congrats enjoy her!
I let her sleep and came to Classico. Gentleman Classico is alive 4 to 1 chicas. Hell yes. They are up in here.
I let her sleep and came to Classico. Gentleman Classico is alive 4 to 1 chicas. Hell yes. They are up in here.Hey GM, another guy who knows how to have a good time, thanks!
Here's how good it was for us.
A month ago we arranged for 5 raws and 1 regular to come in (3+2 for my buddy, my regular for me) all good, but the second day while shopping we met this absolutely beautiful young chica and took her back with us. Now we never did have the same taste in women, until this Miss Universe came along. We finally agreed.
Unfortunately his group were arriving by cab at the same time, so I had to take her. She literally blew me away, and I repeated, but he was so busy he never got the chance. He wanted me to help him out with his chicas, but between the shop girl and my regular I had no time, then this beautiful student / bartender I'd been flirting with all week finally said yes, but I had nothing left.
And, like you, we had to leave all that pussy untouched in Classico.
Who needs heaven, when we have Sosua?
This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M.This is news?
Is there any excuse they HAVEN'T used?
Cumpleanos.
Morte.
Blood transfusion.
Baby food.
Robbery.
Fire.
Accidente.
Student Fees.
Food.
Babysitting money.
Repay loan shark.
Navidad.
Anniversary de morte.
Bus fare.
I probably missed a lot more, but they all work from the same script :)
Jajaja! I am not justifying anything but I did not want to get into a useless and endless diatribe on 'to pay or not to pay". As you know some lucky people get it free. I have not had an occasion to meet the kind in the DR with a stable job that can do without money from outsiders and even when I got it free, as in this time, I did not feel I need to keep it that way. The woman did not mind getting a bit of money and the gifts, and she also was NOT a spendthrift with my money, whether it was a simple pizza for dinner or 200 pesos of shopping food at Playero. Certainly not the kind you read about, who apparently are all into sucking money from the poor johns, according to another ever complaining contributor here, alleging that the chicks have the gall to even using the pretext of the rains, to squeeze money out. Que disaster!
I am pleased with my forays in the DR, and I have no problem paying, I brought a brand New LG smart phone for someone this time. Now, if I were to find a young seductress that can pay for my upkeep, I would be very pleased not to, but until then. LOL.These people live in their own reality based on a flawed worldview. They see Sosua as a battleground, a dying one at that, not a monger playground heaven. There's no point in trying get them to appreciate it for what it is. To them everyone is a bloodsucker, or a conman. But that's only true of the people they meet.
They piled on me for buying a coffe pot for a chica I stayed with for a week :) I give my wallet with the day's money to my regular (8 years now) so she can check the cuenta and tips in dark restaurants and bars, and that almost got me kicked off for stupidity, by the gang trolling circle jerks.
For them, Sosua IS the shits.
And it's not hard to see why.
So ignore them, they have no special standing here. How we pay, what we pay, and when we pay is all good, we don't need approval from the monger police
They said Sosua was dead, and we should all move on, one guy here claimed he was selling up and leaving. I told them that by Christmas it would be "business as usual". The world is full of these folks. Critics are a dime a dozen.
But I noticed one of our adversaries, the Professer, in particular, has completely changed his whining persona here.
So maybe we're winning? :)
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