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Boots on fire.
Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.
As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.
Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.
Tempoecorto
12-10-16, 18:24
This woman used the rain as an excuse to ask for money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M.You do have some exotic taste in music. I had never heard of, or listened to this singer, just the way, I had never heard of "perfidia" - the link you had sent. I went forward and found the same song by the great Linda Ronstadt in her inimitable voice. Kudos also to the Cuban song writer and thanks to you.
Tempoecorto
12-10-16, 18:32
These people live in their own reality based on a flawed worldview. I do think that if you smile at the world, it smiles back. This is based on my personal experience, not only in the DR but around the globe and so, yes I agree with you.
I have no idea how you don't have a great time in the Sue. Every kind of women you could want waiting for you to ask. If some one had just told me I would not believe it. It has to be experienced. There is nothing in the US that compares to Classicos on a Monday night let alone a weekend night. When I read guys complaining I scratch my head. It is like fucking up a wet dream. My worst problem in Sue is never having enough time and leche for all the girls I want to fuck. I turn down girls guys in the states would kill for. Thanks for your report. You made me feelI was there.
Boots on fire.
Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.
As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.
Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.
Parkinsons
12-11-16, 03:38
After Clasico everyone heads to the new spot. You need a car or a motorcycle to get there. I know the bad boys love that. Now they can get more business taking people to and fro the other Disco. It is not the casino with its after hour party I don't want to go in another Disco. What is this place you're speaking of?
What is this place you're speaking of?The disco opened again inside the casino.
I do think that if you smile at the world, it smiles back. This is based on my personal experience, not only in the DR but around the globe and so, yes I agree with you.I'm almost tempted to ask our Monger Police to make that their Rule No. 1, for those who need rules.
If recent posts are anything to go by, looks like the ones that get the most out out Sosua don't observe their "Sosua Monger's Manifesto".
There's me with my coffee pots, you with your cell phones, Grownman with his dresses and (hair?) Even I recall OldKool getting here shit because he let some putas eat his leftovers off his plate in Rocky's, something about not showing respect.
And we (who are actually visiting) are finding it as productive as ever for far more good pussy than we can ever handle. Lot's of spots, old and new are opening to accommodate the all the chicas and the mongers.
I don't know, the worst critics, with one exception, are rarely there. Maybe it's because when the Monger Police are out of town (like parents), they don't like anybody having a party if they are not running it, or even invited. .
Sosua is shit, unless THEY are partying there? You need a special ticket to their party? Whatever, I don't care anymore.
But to get back to the point, Will Sosua "die" again? Yes, next hurricane season July and August, guaranteed! No need for "the word on the street" or "intel sources", just look at the fucking calendar, fer chrisakes!
But by next Christmas they'll have lines at Classico, as usual.
Here's a clue, for those that need it: Look up High and Low Season. :)
(And, for those who think I'm just whining myself, you should read my PM inbox. I am just giving voice to the opinions I get there, that for their own good reasons, they don't want to go public and be identified with. I'm anonymous so I don't give a fuck but their privacy with me is always guaranteed).
Boots on fire.
Once again all I can say was Classico was in full swing. A lot of choices and a lot of chicas left without being picked. They were throwing their numbers around. It makes me want to stay here 2 more days.
As I was walking away from the Disco some girl got my attention. She was in the police truck calling me to come to her. I looked at her and it was my beautiful dark skin Jessica. Jessica is in my top 3 pics in the Sue. She is all dark with a very nice youthful shape. I've been dealing with her for about two-and-a-half years. I've had sessions with her and she's brought girlfriends saying her friend needs some dick. Poor thing was sitting with tears in her eyes asking me to help her out. I normally don't get involved in those matters. But if I hadn't had a chica in my room Jessica would be going home with me. I had to talk to a few people who told me to talk to the boss because he hadn't took her down yet. They said it will cost me about five hundred pesos for him to release her. Hell I only came out the room with 500 peso. 200 for the club and the rest in case I wanted water. I notice a Haitian that hustles on the street talking to the police looks like in her defence. He passed the police some money. They then told me to bring 500 pesos and give to him and she will be released. I walk back to hotel Europa thinking to give or not to give. For Jessica 500 is nothing. I got to my room and headed back to get her released. I got halfway there and guess who I see walking in my direction. Jessica and she was released. She told me the Haitian talk for her and she gave 300 pesos to the police + 100 to the Haitian. I showed her I had a thousand pesos to go and get her release. I told now I don't have to walk all the way to the club and she gave me a big hug. She was happy she did not want to go to jail. I then gave her 300 pesos. She wanted to come to my room to smoke and f* for free. Damn I've turned down so many women's for her. Jessica has a good f* game. But hands down the Chica I have in my room will put all of these girls to shame as far as energy and compassion.
Went back to the room play with those titties and she stuck my hand between her legs. It felt like a bottle of KY Jelly was poured between her legs. 2 hours later her cousin was calling saying they had to go. Can you believe she f* me again. 2000 pesos 2 dresses and a pair of shorts. We will repeat later. The Sue has been very very good to me.Grownman, you talking about this Jessica.
Cocodrilito
12-12-16, 02:49
Yes, you can just get a plane ticket and find a room when you arrive. Casa Marina is OK, or I should say it was OK when I stayed there a few years ago, and has nice ocean views, hot tub, unlimited free drinks, decent food, OK rooms, but you cannot bring prostitutes or male friends to your room there.
There are plenty of small hotels that specialize in providing accommodations for the male single traveler. You will find a room easily enough, unless it is Superbowl weekend, when, for some reason, Sosua seems to fill up. Easter week may also be busy...Thank you for your reply.
I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via booking.com or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option. But, if possible, I'd rather stay at a hotel run by locals, eat at local restaurants, etc. Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).
One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosúa so that I can easily buy a trip to Samaná or elsewhere?
Charles Pooter
12-12-16, 18:01
I'd rather stay at a hotel run by localsI assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?
If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.
Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.
Charles Pooter
12-12-16, 18:06
One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosua so that I can easily buy a trip to Samaná or elsewhere?For Samaná, find out the time and stopping place of the bus (I know it is pretty early) and pay on the bus. Most other places you may want to go, just go to the bus depot. You are over-thinking things.
Non-mongering questions like this are best asked on the DR1 website.
Charles Pooter
12-12-16, 18:20
I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via booking.com or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option ... Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).Unless your stay coincides with Christmas / New Year or Easter, or with Superbowl or Thanksgiving in the USA, I would not book anything in advance. Everything is walking distance in Sosua. There will be empty rooms in most hotels. Check the place out for whatever may be your priorities (you need a pool? excellent wifi? quiet at night? chica friendly? air-conditioning? safe in room? or whatever) before you commit. None of them will tick all the boxes, but some boxes may not be important to you.
Read the Sosua posts here to make a short list of the hotels the guys favor. They all have different favorites because they all have different priorities, but if you list the six or eight most favored you are sure to find one you like with empty rooms. At least you start in the knowledge they will all be chica-friendly.
If you are arriving late in the afternoon you may be too tired to look around. Just book into any hotel on your list for one night so you have somewhere to leave your baggage and make an early start checking other hotels the next morning to see if you can find better.
I would only book a hotel/flight package if it is as cheap. or nearly as cheap, as the flight only. Remember you will have to pay for other places to fuck the chicas and this will soon outweigh any savings made.
If you are not confident and speak no Spanish, you might spend your first couple of days at Blackbeards to get used to things. Or maybe Field of Dreams, which is usually inferior to Blackbeards but a very convenient base from which to visit Sosua and check out hotels. It is also nearer the airport.
Field of Dreams fills your criterion "run by locals". Stay there a couple of nights and you will understand my post below. Still, it might well suit your purpose and there are always spare rooms there.
Charles Pooter
12-12-16, 18:51
These factors will affect your trip:
For how long are you coming?
Is mainly a sex trip or a tourist holiday with a bit of sex as a side dish?
Do you speak Spanish?
If you do not speak Spanish and are coming for less than two weeks for a sex trip, I would forget visiting Samana and other places. There is plenty to keep you occupied in Sosua and nearby places like Puerto Plata and Cabarete for up to two weeks on a first trip.
Learn to handle yourself in the DR without getting ripped off or endangered this trip and do the tourist stuff another trip.
If you already hold sufficient euros, then fine. But if you have to change from zlotys then I would change into dollars. You may want to bring a bank card as emergency back-up.
Manizales911
12-12-16, 21:03
Playa Sosua had a ton of working girls trolling the beach on Saturday, the most I have ever seen. Oh, it must be close to Christmas, hahaha.
Thank you for your reply.
I just wonder how high the possibility is that a randomly chosen hotel / guesthouse close to Pedro Clisante that I'll book via booking.com or a similar site will turn out not to be chica friendly. If that should be the case, buying the whole trip at the travel agency (all-inclusive 2 weeks in Casa Marina as I wrote in my previous post) might be a better option. But, if possible, I'd rather stay at a hotel run by locals, eat at local restaurants, etc. Maybe the best thing to do would be booking a room only for the first 2 or 3 night and then deciding whether to continue staying there or not (if they still have free rooms; if not, I'd have to look for another place and ask before checking in whether they let chicas in or not).
One more question: are there (m) any reliable travel agencies in Sosa so that I can easily buy a trip to Saman or elsewhere?Sir Charles has basically told you all you need to know for your first trip.
I would add a further note. As a long time fan of Casa Marina, I would definitely not recommend it to anyone that is (a) single, (b) plans to spend a lot of time in town with the locals and (c) plans to do a lot of local girls. You will find it most inconvenient and restrictive.
Casa Marina is for those who are wifed up, or want to impress your latest conquest with a little quiet vacation. For that it is perfect!
Playa Sosua had a ton of working girls trolling the beach on Saturday, the most I have ever seen. Oh, it must be close to Christmas, hahaha.Did you find out who's been naughty, or nice?
Member #2041
12-13-16, 01:03
Did you find out who's been naughty, or nice?More to the point, who's exceptionally nice when they are at their naughtiest?
More to the point, who's exceptionally nice when they are at their naughtiest?Now that's what I'm talking about! Where the ho's at?
I was actually somewhat disappointed in that video. I was looking to return to the DR this year, but nothing in that video would have drawn me there (well, maybe one or two). I know that there are some hot women in the DR, but that video did not do them any justice.
I guess Colombia has me spoiled, LOL.The ladies in these pics are from D. R or Colombia?
Grownman, you talking about this Jessica.Yes sir that's her sexy chocolate ass.
Cocodrilito
12-14-16, 03:36
Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate them.
I've already bought the air ticket. I'm coming for 2 weeks in January. Yes, it'll be my first trip to the DR.
As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. I know it'll take some time to get used to the life in the DR.
I don't hide the fact that my main purposes are to escape the winter frost and to have fun with the chicas. I'd also like to do some sightseeing, but I don't want to be too greedy, so maybe I'll give up the idea of going to Samaná and Santo Domingo and focus on the area of Puerto Plata instead.
I possess some euros, but probably I'll also bring US dollars with me.
I'm arriving late in the afternoon and I'll probably book a room in advance only for the first couple of nights. I'll look for info about hotels in Sosúa on this forum. By writing 'run by locals' I meant run by individuals and not big international companies. Usually, I prefer supporting local businesses rather than multinationals.
I'll check the DR1 website.
See at least some of you soon in Sosúa.
Cocodrilito.
Charles Pooter
12-14-16, 16:40
As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. This makes all the difference. You should have no problems at all with your plan.
You will have a great time. You have a good attiitude. Reccomendations, Hotels Sosua Sunrise gives breakfast and dinner plus good accomodations for 65 a night. I stay at hotel Europa for 40 a night because there are places I like to eat. Go to the bank or Western Union to exchange your money. It is much better to have pesos. Be careful with the week day girls who tend to be more hardcore. However with your obvious charm you can make them do your bidding. Few rules never pay more then 2000 pesos for short term. Be careful of girls who speak english to well most have been on the stroll to long. Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends, Also talk to guys on the ground with you they will keep straight. Lastly there is no right or wrong way to have fun. Do what makes you happy. Example if you meet someone you vibe with keep her for as long as you want hell take her to SD with you. Also definitely catch the bus to SD. Pm me and I will give you some details where. What and who for Santo Domingo. Because 4 days in Sosua will burn you out.
Thank you all for your replies, I really appreciate them.
I've already bought the air ticket. I'm coming for 2 weeks in January. Yes, it'll be my first trip to the DR.
As far as my Spanish skills are concerned, I speak the language at an upper-intermediate level. I know it'll take some time to get used to the life in the DR.
I don't hide the fact that my main purposes are to escape the winter frost and to have fun with the chicas. I'd also like to do some sightseeing, but I don't want to be too greedy, so maybe I'll give up the idea of going to Saman and Santo Domingo and focus on the area of Puerto Plata instead.
I possess some euros, but probably I'll also bring US dollars with me.
I'm arriving late in the afternoon and I'll probably book a room in advance only for the first couple of nights. I'll look for info about hotels in Sosa on this forum. By writing 'run by locals' I meant run by individuals and not big international companies. Usually, I prefer supporting local businesses rather than multinationals.
I'll check the DR1 website.
See at least some of you soon in Sosa.
Cocodrilito.
I assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?
If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.
Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.Has there been a survey done analyzing the efficiency level of all businesses run in the Dominican Republic? Is your statement based on the percentage of the success rate of local and foreign businesses in the country? If rather it is your opinion then you have done a gross disservice to your hosts during your enjoyable trips to the DR.
Has there been a survey done analyzing the efficiency level of all businesses run in the Dominican Republic? Is your statement based on the percentage of the success rate of local and foreign businesses in the country? If rather it is your opinion then you have done a gross disservice to your hosts during your enjoyable trips to the DR.Interesting point.
I defer to Sir Charles on local business practices, because he lives there, but I do have another take.
Two of my long term relationships were with Phds, International Education and International Law. I traveled extensively with both of them. I even helped them with their theses.
Fast forward a few years to my regular DR GFE of 8 years.
Traveled and stayed all over the DR with her, using local transport, local lodging with family and friends, watched my dinner being killed.
I was amazed that this poor, uneducated lady had such organizational and management skills. Nothing is a problem on the road, she can source anything from a huge network of friends, and she's happy (and always wears the right kind of shoes, a skill which always seemed to elude my learned friends) :)
I have to give them credit, because they can do so much with so little.
Compliments of the season ot all, and may your all chica dreams come true!
Mr Enternational
12-15-16, 19:23
I assume you have never visited the Dominican Republic?
If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently.
Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.The shit I can't figure out (and they can't either because I have asked) is why they never have fucking towels. It seems the two go hand in hand; hotel-towels. But this is not the case in Dominican run hotels. On more than one occasion I have had to go to the store and buy my own damn towels. Other times I have had to just use that small floor towel instead of a bath towel. And yet other times me and whatever chick have had to use the same towel.
I can't help but thinking of DR and Philippines being neck and neck though. Back in March me and my girl were at a resort in Moalboal, Philippines. We were in the pool late in the afternoon when the lady came around to take our order for dinner. I told her that I would just have a grilled cheese. She told me that they don't have grilled cheese; they only have grilled ham and cheese. Nothing that I said would convince this girl if they just didn't put the fucking ham on it then it would be a grilled cheese.
Has anyone found any new spots that we haven't discovered yet? I am talking about, any new cities that we should be looking at that might be coming up. We are looking for those hidden gems that don't see the rush of tourist. Give the brothers a holla if you know of a town or city that is worth mentioning. The two I have been hearing about lately are Monti Cristi and San Cristobal, time for fresh women my brothers.
The shit I can't figure out (and they can't either because I have asked) is why they never have fucking towels. It seems the two go hand in hand; hotel-towels. But this is not the case in Dominican run hotels. Believe it or not, it is quite common for guests to steal towels from hotels, and in Sosua it would not surprise me if chicas helped themselves to a towel or two. Having said that, I don't think I have EVER had a hotel room in Sosua with no towels, except possibly at Calypso, and ever there they will give them if you ask.
Believe it or not, it is quite common for guests to steal towels from hotels, and in Sosua it would not surprise me if chicas helped themselves to a towel or two. Having said that, I don't think I have EVER had a hotel room in Sosua with no towels, except possibly at Calypso, and ever there they will give them if you ask.I have never been towel less in 8 years, but there's a little game the maids play, told to me by my GFE who's relatives work in the larger hotels, like Casa Marina or Terra Linda.
When they come in to do the room, they take out the old towels, so you often find a clean room with no towels. They bring the towels later, doubling the chances of someone being in the room and offering a propina. For someone making as little as 5 or 6 bucks a day, this can be quite lucrative. Some guest can be very generous.
My simple way of getting around this is to tip the ladies up front and tell them firmly with a smile, that you want mucho towels, claro?. If you treat them well, not only will they make sure you always have clean towels, they will, if asked, even take away and launder and fold your washables, socks, T shirts, shorts, pants, underwear, so you can travel a little lighter. They'll even give you an extra key card for the auto AC so that it stays on when you are out!
Now, don't jump all over this about your "rights" as a guest. If you want to make a federal case out of it, it's OK, its your vacation. This advice is obviously not for you!
But I travel eeeeeasy!
I have never been towel less in 8 years, but there's a little game the maids play, told to me by my GFE who's relatives work in the larger hotels, like Casa Marina or Terra Linda.
When they come in to do the room, they take out the old towels, so you often find a clean room with no towels. They bring the towels later, doubling the chances of someone being in the room and offering a propina. For someone making as little as 5 or 6 bucks a day, this can be quite lucrative. Some guest can be very generous.
My simple way of getting around this is to tip the ladies up front and tell them firmly with a smile, that you want mucho towels, claro?. If you treat them well, not only will they make sure you always have clean towels, they will, if asked, even take away and launder and fold your washables, socks, T shirts, shorts, pants, underwear, so you can travel a little lighter. They'll even give you an extra key card for the auto AC so that it stays on when you are out!
Now, don't jump all over this about your "rights" as a guest. If you want to make a federal case out of it, it's OK, its your vacation. This advice is obviously not for you!
But I travel eeeeeasy!(1) I have never ever been to a hotel room in any country where there were no towels.
(2) If I don't tip anyone else I always tip housekeeping staff in hotels.
Eszpresszo
12-16-16, 22:01
Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends.Girls in packs: good or bad? Please explain, because in some places a group of girls can be good.
Charles Pooter
12-17-16, 00:18
Girls in packs: good or bad? Please explain, because in some places a group of girls can be good.Maybe not what OldKool meant, but chicas when in a group can be less likely to agree a lower price or agree to "extras" being included in front of their friends.
Another point is that chicas in packs are more likely to be regular putas as it takes some time to get accepted. Chicas fresh to Sosua are more likely to be in pairs.
Eszpresszo
12-17-16, 00:52
Maybe not what OldKool meant, but chicas when in a group can be less likely to agree a lower price or agree to "extras" being included in front of their friends.
Another point is that chicas in packs are more likely to be regular putas as it takes some time to get accepted. Chicas fresh to Sosua are more likely to be in pairs.Thanks! That makes perfect sense. Contrary to what most might think, prostitutes do seem to care what their colleagues and peers on the street think of them. I came across this recently in Thailand: the Asian concept of "face" applies to working girls, as well. They don't want their peers to hear them accepting a lowball offer or going off with a poorly groomed customer, unless they are being paid a premium price for accepting his shabbiness.
So when in Sosua, is it a good strategy to try and hit on loners, if you are trying to negotiate?
Going to Santiago / Sosua in January, looking for some fellow mongers to hang out with exchange stories, advice etc.
Thanks.
When my daughter was small, I used to bring some clothes, she had grown out, with me and gave them to the mucama who cleaned my room. I always had enoug towels and most importantly had my room cleaned exactly when I wanted it to be cleaned. Now I'm going to bring some shoes and sneakers I have used only coupled times and other stuff I don't use anymore to give these people. They have always somebody in their family who is grateful and in need for them.
When my daughter was small, I used to bring some clothes, she had grown out, with me and gave them to the mucama who cleaned my room. I always had enoug towels and most importantly had my room cleaned exactly when I wanted it to be cleaned. Now I'm going to bring some shoes and sneakers I have used only coupled times and other stuff I don't use anymore to give these people. They have always somebody in their family who is grateful and in need for them.I used to take an old extra suitcase down there with me, containing collected and donated new and used clothing, toys, old cell phones, caps and stuff.
They would go crazy and fight over it.
It was well worth lugging that suitcase all the way there.
Over the years (and not just in Sosua) I noticed that unless the stuff was brand new, or had a designer label, they weren't as interested, so I stopped taking that extra suitcase.
Things must be getting better in the DR!
You will have a great time. Watchout for girls in packs except on weekends, I think what Olski means is girls in a pack are subject to be more devious. They're like a group of hyenas. They are more likely to scheme to rob you. Or rush you on a session to hurry and get back with their pack. They can be like vultures looking 4 weak victims to exploit. The more serious girl is solo or has a girlfriend accompany her. And watch out if they come to you with big purses. It may be empty when you meet them, but when she leaves your room it can be filled with whatever she can get her hands on.
Eszpresszo
12-18-16, 03:38
I think what Olski means is girls in a pack are subject to be more devious. They're like a group of hyenas. They are more likely to scheme to rob you. Or rush you on a session to hurry and get back with their pack. They can be like vultures looking 4 weak victims to exploit. The more serious girl is solo or has a girlfriend accompany her. And watch out if they come to you with big purses. It may be empty when you meet them, but when she leaves your room it can be filled with whatever she can get her hands on.Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.
In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.
I fly into SD and save $200 on flight over POP. I get in around 2 and have plenty of time to do the city. I arrange a meeting with a young lady who is with my program. We go to the mall see a movie and a bite to eat and back for some rack time. The sex takes the edge off so I have some resistance to the Sosua chicas. I take an early Bus so I am in Sosua by lunch time.
Another subject, Whatsap has video now. A big cheasted Haitian girl I know gave me an awesome masturbation show. What a way t start your morning
Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.
In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.
Mr Enternational
12-18-16, 06:24
Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.I am afraid that GrownMan is dead serious. As a matter of fact, what he posted should be placed in the ROD thread. Sosua is a different animal than other places you may have mongered.
Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.
In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.It's possible among all of the trip reports here in the Sosua forum, not much dialogue has been provided / exchanged on chica behaviors and their social network. Partly because enough board members here have a tendency to claim such discussions other than find, fuck and dump, is making things too complicated. Of course it's not really complicated. It's useful information.
What Grownman, Charles Pooter and Mr E provided are things a monger should be aware of. Your response to Grownmans post suggests that you may be skeptical of what he said? If so, why?
Are you serious or just fooling around? I can never tell on this forum, which has a tradition of tomfoolery.
In any case, SDQ is looking like the best value in airfare in the next few months. Even on Spirit, BOG and MDE are a bit pricey this year for some reason. Forget about POP. Its the same price as going to BKK. Need to check this out, even if it does mean a bus ride.The thing about the girls in a pack might or might not be true. They may be a kin group of sisters and cousins, or a group of girls who have traveled on the bus to Sosua together to give each other moral support and have not yet split down into pairs. It is actually much easier to effectively conspire to defraud people working as a pair than as a group. The lone chica is probably more self confident and cannot be trusted either.
The thing about the large purses likewise. They might indeed carry large bags so they can steal more stuff, or alternatively they might just be carrying a change of clothing. Often the things that are of most value to steal are small items like cell phones and cameras, but televisions and hotel curtains not so much so.
Any time you meet a chica, you need to do due diligence as best you can to determine what kind of a person she is and lock up your valuables anyway, or better still don't have any.
K Constant
12-18-16, 15:34
Any time you meet a chica, you need to do due diligence as best you can to determine what kind of a person she is and lock up your valuables anyway, or better still don't have any.It's amazing that punters still leave their valuables sitting out to tempt the putas. First, don't bring anything too valuable on your trip. Second, lock everything up before you leave the room. Finally, when you return to the room empty your pockets into the safe, including the cash for the girl.
I don't care if she steals the hotel's remotes, it's inconvenient but not crucial. However, I don't want to lose my passport, wallet, cards, phone, camera, devices, etc. Anything like that should be in the safe.
I am afraid that GrownMan is dead serious. As a matter of fact, what he posted should be placed in the ROD thread. Sosua is a different animal than other places you may have mongered.Really?
For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?
I wouldn't want newbies to get the wrong idea!
C'mon down! Sosua is cheap, there's lots of good pussy to be had, friendly locals, and it's safer than my hometown (and I'm and older gent, who's mostly travelled alone). Just watch out for crazy motoconcho drivers.
Seems dissing Sosua is no longer working for the losers and disenchanted. We now have to have "fake news". :)
(of course, leaving your Rolex and bankroll out in full view of a hooker while you are in the bathroom taking a crap, is never a good idea, even in the "next level" brothels like Columbia, Cuba and Thai)
At most petty crimes are committed and I think these are rare. You may get a bate and switch on price and this can be handled. Why some guys hate on Sosua is a mystery to me. The place is a monger layup. Everything accessible and cheap. I have zero complaints. The idea of bands of chicas stongarming guys is a joke.
Really?
For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?
I wouldn't want newbies to get the wrong idea!
C'mon down! Sosua is cheap, there's lots of good pussy to be had, friendly locals, and it's safer than my hometown (and I'm and older gent, who's mostly travelled alone). Just watch out for crazy motoconcho drivers.
Seems dissing Sosua is no longer working for the losers and disenchanted. We now have to have "fake news". :)
(of course, leaving your Rolex and bankroll out in full view of a hooker while you are in the bathroom taking a crap, is never a good idea, even in the "next level" brothels like Columbia, Cuba and Thai)
At most petty crimes are committed and I think these are rare. You may get a bate and switch on price and this can be handled. Why some guys hate on Sosua is a mystery to me. The place is a monger layup. Everything accessible and cheap. I have zero complaints. The idea of bands of chicas stongarming guys is a joke.You got that right!
These are guys who mostly have been bragging about getting it for free, or they have moved on to "another level" of mongering, have left the scene, or want to move out.
I'm happy for them, and wish them luck!
There are plenty of other forums (Cuba, Columbia, Thai) where they can circle jerk over their superior hookers, but it seems they want to bring it here to tell us how smart they are, and how dumb we are for "not knowing any different".
They want to drop their pants and do a dump in the middle of our party.
I'll tell you how bad it is, even my old adversary the negative expert himself, Wrexxy, is getting pissed off with them.
(I could almost swear he is reposting my old arguments. I see some very familiar lines in his recent posts. But it's all good!)
Just, remember, like hookers they always come crawling back!
Same time next year?
You got that right!
These are guys who mostly have been bragging about getting it for free, or they have moved on to "another level" of mongering, have left the scene, or want to move out.
I'm happy for them, and wish them luck!
There are plenty of other forums (Cuba, Columbia, Thai) where they can circle jerk over their superior hookers, but it seems they want to bring it here to tell us how smart they are, and how dumb we are for "not knowing any different".
They want to drop their pants and do a dump in the middle of our party.
I'll tell you how bad it is, even my old adversary the negative expert himself, Wrexxy, is getting pissed off with them.
(I could almost swear he is reposting my old arguments. I see some very familiar lines in his recent posts. But it's all good!)
Just, remember, like hookers they always come crawling back!
Same time next year?What profiteth it a man if he has all the free sex he can use, but can't get a towel when he pays for the room?
Mr Enternational
12-18-16, 19:46
Really?
For the record, in all my years on the strip and in the bars, and on the beach, I have never yet seen these "roving packs of vultures with large purses prowling for weak mongers to rush from behind". Anybody got a photo, a Youtube link?Neither have I. And even though you have placed quotes those are not the words that GrownMan wrote that I agreed with. So who is it that you are quoting?
So what you are saying is that a chick in Sosua has never tried to rip you off? Because I seem to remember a report that you posted where one did. And didn't some chick come up and steal food from Old Kool's plate? Where do they do that besides Sosua? Friends of mine have definitely had things stolen such as camera, ipod, and money by Sosua chicks. Who wrote the report of a Sosua chick even trying to steal the coins he had?
Are you going to get some pussy in Sosua? Of course you are. But a lot of times getting pussy in Sosua will come with the headace that it does not come with in most other known mongering places. But again, the Sosua defenders would not know that. They may think it is normal because they do not know other mongering locations. So to them Sosua is the holy grail and can do no wrong. They want you to believe there are no pitfalls to be aware of in Sosua. Just go there, fuck all you want with no problems at all, and go back home until the next trip to paradise.
I think there is a youtube link on ISG proper of a chick in Sosua attempting to steal money from a monger. It should not be hard to find if you are really interested.
And do tell what fucking normal women for free has to do with the known antics of Sosua hookers. Everytime I call out their shit you throw that up as if it is going to make their bullshit nonexistent.
Leche papi leche. Those are the words you will hear when a Sosua chick is trying to rush the job and get back to her pack on the strip. And remember not to agree on an amount of time because no matter what it was once you have cum once then that time has expired in her eyes but full payment (if not with tip) is still expected.
Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?
Leche papi leche. Those are the words you will hear when a Sosua chick is trying to rush the job and get back to her pack on the strip. And remember not to agree on an amount of time because no matter what it was once you have cum once then that time has expired in her eyes but full payment (if not with tip) is still expected.
Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?Yes, but you are a guy who cannot even get towels in a hotel in Sosua, so your mileage may vary from what other people have experienced. I have had chicas make home made cough medicine for me when I was sick and not even ask for money, but you cannot get a towel in a hotel.
You will find dishonesty wherever you go. For example in the US it is often on the part of corporations with stack of lawyers. For example you sign up for a cell phone contract and find they have added $20 per month on for "insurance" without telling you until you examine your bill closely. And people are TAUGHT in business school to pull this kind of shit. So of course in a prostitution environment anywhere in the world you are going to encounter occasional dishonesty. And then the strip clubs in the US want men to PAY for admission, lap dances and grossly overpriced drinks, or so I have heard.
Yes, you might encounter some girls who are asking for "leche papi" without giving you a decent fuck, but then you also have guys who take Viagra and can't climax and want to keep trying until the girl is sore, so there is always another side to the story. Don't believe everything you hear.
Sosua is cheap and cheerful, has a decent beach and restaurants, excellent food, economical hotels and public transportation, and is close to the East coast of the US, and you can meet large numbers of women and have them grind on you and flirt with you without paying a cent, and if you want sex that is available too at a reasonable price. If they don't perform in the bedroom, you can always throw them back and find a better one. Another benefit of Sosua is that you can meet a large number of attractive Haitian women without having to stay in Haiti. So clearly Sosua has a lot of attractive features as a vacation destination for single men.
OK, maybe it is better in Pattaya or Medellin, but they are not 2 hours from NYC or Miami.
And here is a link to a story about a western man found with his throat slit in Thailand. No word on whether his iphone was taken. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4045134/Western-man-dead-Samae-Beach-Thailand.html.
Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?No, not at all, but that's YOUR experience.
We can arrange towels, and find good pussy. WE don't get mobbed by hoards of giant tote bag carrying putas.
WE know how to get value for our money!
But we still love to hear how you get fucked up down there. It's all info for the board :)
(For the record, while waiting for my regular GFE to show up I took a mouth watering 10 back to the Terra Linda. The sex was so fucking amazing I told her so. I could have married that body. So now she wants a propina, and she won't leave til she gets one. A thousand?
After two fake phone calls from me to "security" (Willie at TL who was laughing) she settled for 400 pesos, which in all fairness I would have given her anyway, for a repeat. No drama, no fight, no politur, no enemies on the strip, no waking up half the hotel with a shouting match.
That's in 8 years.)
Neither have I. And even though you have placed quotes those are not the words that GrownMan wrote that I agreed with. So who is it that you are quoting?He aint quoting nobody. He isn't disagreeing either. The only thing he can do, is distort the context of what was provided and then make an argument against his own distortion, Then he attacks the distortion he created and make it seem like that's somebody else's POV.
Fuck your feelings because I prefer to deal with facts. Is anything that I have written not true about Sosua?Nope., not at all.
This is what I was going to post.
Understanding and knowing an environment and what CAN happen or it's potentials, is not about hating on Sosua. It's about being aware. What good is telling people all of the good stuff and not also provide feedback and insight of things that one should be aware of? Also nobody is disputing the frequency or infrequency of when petty shit happens. Just that it is important to know.
Here's one example of how some chicas in packs can work to exploit a monger. A dude invites a chica out somewhere. Maybe to the beach or to a restaurant. In some instances, a chica provides the opportunity for her comrades to invite themselves to be in her company with her date. Suddenly the man finds himself, with company he never asked for. These women are not dumb.
They know quite often they might be able to get a guy to offer to feed or provide drinks for his chicas friends. They will sit there all hot, bothered, bored, hungry and thirsty. And not spend any of their own money. Hoping that man may eventually offer to feed them or hydrate them. Thats one example of chicas rolling together trying to exploit a dude.
Another example, is a guy with a chica in a restaurant, and his company invites her comrades over, who happen to be passing by to let them feed off of the mans plate. I witnessed both scenarios play out with a few guys.
As for chicas carrying large purses. Yes for enough chicas carrying large purses can be for the purpose of having a change of clothes, makeup and toiletries. And at the same time, a large purse can give chicas the opportunity to steal some items some guys never thought a chica might value.
His dirty designer underwear / clothes, razors, kitchen knives, cologne, toothpaste, soap, his toiletries / condoms, non prescription medicine, phone chargers, cigarettes and lighters, food, his alcohol etc. I have received reports from enough mongers on these types of petty thefts.
These are some of the things that people seldom think they need to secure along with their valuables. But some chicas find value in these things. It doesn't matter what it is, nobody wants shit taken from them. And for the record, a chica doesn't need a large purse if she intends to steal or an opportunity presents itself.
In fact not having a large purse, makes it harder to suspect her of stealing, since it's not going to be easy trying to find the item if it is concealed on her person or she hid it somewhere to get later.
Shit not only is it important for mongers to protect themselves, chicas have to protect themselves from each other. It's not uncommon to hear stories of chicas stealing from each other in their rooms and hotels, and doing all sorts of sneaky shit behind another chicas back.
Mr Enternational
12-18-16, 22:58
Yes, but you are a guy who cannot even get towels in a hotel in Sosua, so your mileage may vary from what other people have experienced.And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.
If you had, you would know that 99% of Dominicans are incapable of running anything efficiently. Most of the hotels favored by experienced mongers in Sosua are run by ex-pats, usually Europeans.I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.
You will find dishonesty wherever you go.That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.
So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.
Eszpresszo
12-18-16, 23:05
What Grownman, Charles Pooter and Mr E provided are things a monger should be aware of. Your response to Grownmans post suggests that you may be skeptical of what he said? If so, why?Why? Because people can tend to engage in some friendly word play on this forum. Sometimes the posts are tongue in cheek and if Grownman was being satirical I would say he was pretty funny. And I'm cool with that. If he was giving serious advice, I will definitely heed it. Hey, if people are just having a little fun, I'm not going to rain on your parade. At least the guys here on this forum seem to have a lot of fun! And they seem to love Sousa. So, nobody needs to get upset if I fool around a bit, as well. Okay?
Checked airfare from DFW to SDQ and it is under $400 on Delta. Dang! A real airline. Anyways, I want to thank you guys for your input.
To OldKool: the price difference between SDQ and POP is between $400 and $500 from where I live (Dallas / Ft. Worth) and is more than a ticker to Asia. So its a no-brainier to fly into SDQ unless I can find an odd bargain to POP on Priceline like I saw once for a few seconds ($350 RT).
To Oakie: you do have a valid point about participants on the other forums. Sousa sounds like the next stop this winter.
To Frannie: Your advice about cash and valuables is good advice. But, I never take "valuables" with me anyways and generally don't carry anything I can't afford to lose. The most expensive thing I take with me is my clothes, which are generally pretty nice (I tend to dress well as a matter of habit. No Rolex though).
I came down with a good 3-point game plan for cash allotment in Thailand. Basically I do a "triage" with my cash and cards that goes like this.
Bundle A: what goes in your pocket, for the evenings expenses (drinks, dinner, transportation). This is a good way to budget.
Bundle be: payment for the girl you bring back to your room. This is set aside in some discrete location that is easy to access, when you need to pay the girl for her services. It also helps you budget and set a negotiation point, because your fixed maximum amount has been set aside. By discrete location, I mean I have found some interesting places to stash cash where your chambermaid would not likely look, even if it is right under her nose.
Bundle see: The money you won't spend that evening (and can't afford to lose) goes in the safe. If all goes well, you shouldn't need to open the safe until the next day.
Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.
And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.
I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.
That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.
So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.International I got love for you you travel a lot more places than I ever will so you feel how you feel. I do not hate sosua but it has fallen off and that is how I feel. Does not mean I am better than no one if I go other places. But, let it be clear if I come in and I do not like the music in classico I get it changed because I want people to have fun. Now, why is that because people know I expect things to pop when I am in the club and I do it throughout the DR and for everybody that swears by sosua how come you cannot do that because you cannot. They do not know who you are and I tell the powers to be things have to change here it has fallen off and they say your right what do we do. People respect when your honest and speak from your heart, but not hear something always wrong with you. That simple and I hate on no one but I be damn if people hate and they cannot change shit. Everybody can sit behind a computer and put people down, but I respect the people who can walk into town and make it happen. I know I can. Do you International.
Why? Because people can tend to engage in some friendly word play on this forum. Sometimes the posts are tongue in cheek and if Grownman was being satirical I would say he was pretty funny. And I'm cool with that. If he was giving serious advice, I will definitely heed it.
Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.Like Mr Enternational advised you, he was serious. And since your comment, you received some feedback with some examples.
Your last question, was is it normal to pay before or after the deed is done? Don't be fooled by chicas telling you they got stiffed by guys in the past, and now require your payment upfront. It's always pay after services are rendered. Also if in doubt, it might be a good idea to type out the agreed price on your phone, to reduce the chance of her claiming a different price.
And yet you are taking my experience out of context. My experience is based on a statement that CP made about DOMINICAN RUN places.
I have never had a problem getting towels in places (such as Europa) that are NOT Dominican Run (as CP also points out are favored by mongers in Sosua). I did have problems at Sosua Bay which was Dominican run as well as places in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo which ARE Dominican run.
That is true. However some places are more known for it than others - as Sosua hookers are known more for their antics than hookers in other places. If someone mentions the murder count for 2016 in Chicago at being at almost 700, you can not underplay that by showing an article where someone was murdered in Mobile where there were only 25 murders for the year. You don't just tell someone to go on up to Chicago and enjoy the lake and the great food without also telling them to be careful because they are killing mfs there like it is nobody's business.
So all I am telling new people to do is to watch out for the bullshit and do not be surprised when they encounter it. You and Oakie would have them to believe there is no bullshit even though you (Oakie at least) have experienced it personally.Here we go again.
Sosua is one big brothel!, OK, sorry, it is a Sex Destination! OK, sorry it is beach town with good restaurants.
Now I'm trying not offend anyone here, as you can see!
But if you go for the sex, you must be aware that taking a strange third world puta back to your room could be a risk.
Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,
But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.
In my city prostitution is illegal and is mostly done through outcalls an incalls. The proceedure sometimes requires you to go across to an unfamiliar part of town, phone and get new directions. The risk of a rip off in a dimly lit apartment building or a dark parking lot, is always there, and bait and switch is not only high, but the norm. You might hit a good one but they are always on the move, so little chance for a regular. If you are ripped of you can't go to the cops or they'll arrest you!
Over the years I've traveled a lot all over NA (37 States) Europe (14 countries) Mexico, Caribbean, and all the Islands except Cuba and Jamaica. I've sampled the local offerings. I can tell you, getting laid in Sosua is the cheapest, easiest, safest thing in the world, little crime, no pimps, no STDs and if you like the dark shades, the best pussy anywhere I've been. Now if you want to spend more time and money, I daresay Brazil, and Columbia and Thailand may be more to your, liking and that's fine.
But I'm here in Sosua, and I ain't going nowhere! No need! I got everything I want right here!
You can just point, chat and go, the room is right around the corner, point, chat and go, repeat! And/or you can get a long term regular GFE
(At least I can, but YMMV)
So for some of us, Sosua really is a mongers paradise. Not only that, it is a fun place to party and vacation.
I actually feel more comfortable there than at home.
Just a few questions? In the DR, do you normally pay before or after the deed is done? Also, are electronics expensive in the DR, and good "gifts" or incentive items for the girls? I understand DR is still on 3 G, and there are some excellent 3 G phones out there that are negligible in cost.Pay afterwards. Yes, electronics are expensive. Something like a small rechargeable Bluetooth speaker might be cheap and appreciated and would cost a lot more in the DR, and unlocked 3 g phones maybe. Cash is always a popular gift. Or a recharge card for Orange or Claro. I would not waste a lot of energy looking for gifts.
Charles Pooter
12-19-16, 01:34
Pay afterwards. Yes, electronics are expensive. Something like a small rechargeable Bluetooth speaker might be cheap and appreciated and would cost a lot more in the DR, and unlocked 3 g phones maybe. Cash is always a popular gift. Or a recharge card for Orange or Claro. I would not waste a lot of energy looking for gifts.This is a just a comment on my preferences and track record in Sosua. It is not a recommendation for, or even less a criticism of, anyone else's practices.
Some guys like the regular putas, the professionals who make little pretense this is not their full-time occupation. They claim their performance is more skilled and they are more likely to provide any kinky extras required. This is no doubt true, at least for one-off meetings.
I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. These chicas want cash, not electronics or fashion clothes or accessories). If you give them the latter items they will smile sweetly and be ever so grateful, and next morning sell them for a quarter of their value in the DR (half their value in the USA).
If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc). Frannie's suggestion of phone "minutes" is also good, though only if they have nearly run out. If they have loads on their phone they will surely waste them.
Always pay afterwards. In fact, if a chica had the nerve to ask me for cash upfront I would immediately drop her. It is vital to establish who is in the driving seat from the first minute. It is a buyer's market, especially these days.
I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. These chicas want cash, not electronics or fashion clothes or accessories). If you give them the latter items they will smile sweetly and be ever so grateful, and next morning sell them for a quarter of their value in the DR (half their value in the USA).
If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc). Frannie's suggestion of phone "minutes" is also good, though only if they have nearly run out. If they have loads on their phone they will surely waste them..Excellent advice as usual Charles. Cash is king, but if you feel the urge to do something extra for a regular / keeper / repeater you could spend an hour with her in Playera and let her pick up toiletries, cremes, toothpaste, babystuff, powder and other stuff she may not have at home. Same as cash, but she chooses it, and it's a human touch, where it is appreciated.
You could get more bang for you your buck, and increased credits, but beware of being domesticated :)
Tempoecorto
12-19-16, 02:43
Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,
But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.Well stated and I completely agree.
For me, having traveled Asia for a long time, two things stand out in favor of the DR (not necessarily Sosua) - the proximity of its geography and ease of the language. In Thailand or Indonesia or Taipei or Burma or Vietnam or Korea (definitely less so in Singapore and Malaysia), the girls could barely go beyond "ficki ficki". In the DR, I can have a sensible conversation like everyday people and the place is a 4 hour flight from where I am. The local prices are excellent, the food is International plus local and good quality, if you can overlook fried chicken. (I don't think much of Filipino food, sorry!) I even had women prepare chivo for me and bring it to hotel.
Germany is probably the safest and easiest of all places (London is good though as is Aus / NZ) but you certainly do not get what I can get in the DR. Pulling people off the streets (now Gogo says, Cuba is special as is Colombia. Of which I do not know anything). Most places that I know of, around the globe are fish bowls or Internet ads these days, just no comparison compared to the DR.
The risk one is speaking of is much higher in the land I live (both the legal hazards and health) - if one cannot handle Sosua, one needs to take a second look at oneself or as some do, travel in group. After all, like the women in Sosua, there is safety in numbers!
Tempoecorto
12-19-16, 02:47
If you want to tip extra, for extra service or enjoyable companionship, and feel uncomfortable at giving cash (no reason why you should), you could buy groceries (durable stuff like rice, sugar, coffee, etc).
Always pay afterwards. In fact, if a chica had the nerve to ask me for cash upfront I would immediately drop her. Very sensible advice.
Eszpresszo
12-19-16, 03:02
Excellent advice as usual Charles. Cash is king, but if you feel the urge to do something extra for a regular / keeper / repeater you could spend an hour with her in Playera and let her pick up toiletries, cremes, toothpaste, babystuff, powder and other stuff she may not have at home. Same as cash, but she chooses it, and it's a human touch, where it is appreciated.
You could get more bang for you your buck, and increased credits, but beware of being domesticated :)Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.
I could not agree more. Banging fresh 19 year old pussy for 35 bucks is a thing of beauty.
Here we go again.
Sosua is one big brothel!, OK, sorry, it is a Sex Destination! OK, sorry it is beach town with good restaurants.
Now I'm trying not offend anyone here, as you can see!
But if you go for the sex, you must be aware that taking a strange third world puta back to your room could be a risk.
Now for most of us, the risk is small, but it is always there, as is crossing the street and getting hit by a motoconcho,
But that risk is so small as to be negligible for most of us who are regular visitors.
In my city prostitution is illegal and is mostly done through outcalls an incalls. The proceedure sometimes requires you to go across to an unfamiliar part of town, phone and get new directions. The risk of a rip off in a dimly lit apartment building or a dark parking lot, is always there, and bait and switch is not only high, but the norm. You might hit a good one but they are always on the move, so little chance for a regular. If you are ripped of you can't go to the cops or they'll arrest you!
Over the years I've traveled a lot all over NA (37 States) Europe (14 countries) Mexico, Caribbean, and all the Islands except Cuba and Jamaica. I've sampled the local offerings. I can tell you, getting laid in Sosua is the cheapest, easiest, safest thing in the world, little crime, no pimps, no STDs and if you like the dark shades, the best pussy anywhere I've been. Now if you want to spend more time and money, I daresay Brazil, and Columbia and Thailand may be more to your, liking and that's fine.
But I'm here in Sosua, and I ain't going nowhere! No need! I got everything I want right here!
You can just point, chat and go, the room is right around the corner, point, chat and go, repeat! And/or you can get a long term regular GFE
(At least I can, but YMMV)
So for some of us, Sosua really is a mongers paradise. Not only that, it is a fun place to party and vacation.
I actually feel more comfortable there than at home.
Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.Yes it's absolutely true that some Sosua chicas will try you on for size, just as it is true that some vendors on the beach will be aggressive in their sales pitch as you pass buy, and the free lunch condo salesmen will try to get you into conversation. They are good at profiling their marks.
I walk the beach everyday I'm down there, and have never once been hassled. A polite but firm no with a smile tells the chair chicos they are wasting their time, but if you go stand in front of the little band with your chica and watch her dance, pet the monkey or say hola to the parrot, you will be targeted. Likewise accepting an invitation to browse the beach art, have your photo taken with the iguana, or look through his T shirt collection without buying. Likewise stopping to see what a street corner tout is trying to sell you. Responding to "Hola, my friend, where you from?" from a stranger on the street is NOT likely to result in a lifetime friendhip. LOL
But I see so many newbies doing this stuff, they seem to enjoy it as part of their "local experience" it is not hard to see why some are pestered and not others.
It is YOUR behavior that gets you targeted, so just look around and figure out why it's YOU and not the regular that has to deal with this stuff.
If you can't blend in (attitude, dress, eye contact, body language) after a while, you'll have trouble travelling anywhere in the world. Sosua is no different.
As for the women, I always go back to this newbie Jerry guy, who latched on to me and my GF at the hotel. He asked if he could join our party at the bar. Sure!
So he's there and this old regular puta is sitting beside him feeling him up and showing him her stuff. All of a sudden drinks are spilled and she calls him something bad and walks off.
I asked him what the problem was. He's says, "Can you believe it, she asked me for milk money for the baby, I just met her!, I thought she was OK because she was with you guys!" So this guy fucks up and blames me :) I guess he thought she had fallen in love with him, or something.
That was the end of Jerry!
Is it true that the Dominican girls will badger you for more money after you paid, under the pretense of taking care of their baby? I had a young, crazy mama pull that in a Medellin brothel. Said she needed more money to buy Pamp*rs for her baby (yes, that [CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) product is a forbidden word). I fell for it and gave her an generous tip. She complained it wasn't enough to buy Pamp*rs, and I thought that disposable [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) must be really expensive in Colombia. She did have a nasty, jagged C section (auto correct here is hideous) scar to be sure.NOT will badger you for more money. "CAN" badger you for more money. None of the advice you have been offered on some of the negatives is meant for you to take it as automatic. As if you WILL experience / observe these things. Or all chicas / girls operate and think the same. That is not how you should embrace this feedback. Granted you may not have received a comprehensive list, of precautionary measures. A lot of things will depend on you getting there and figuring some things out for yourself. It's a good thing to have an experienced wing man (of an area) to hang with.
Well stated and I completely agree.
For me, having traveled Asia for a long time, two things stand out in favor of the DR (not necessarily Sosua) - the proximity of its geography and ease of the language. In Thailand or Indonesia or Taipei or Burma or Vietnam or Korea (definitely less so in Singapore and Malaysia), the girls could barely go beyond "ficki ficki". In the DR, I can have a sensible conversation like everyday people and the place is a 4 hour flight from where I am. The local prices are excellent, the food is International plus local and good quality, if you can overlook fried chicken. (I don't think much of Filipino food, sorry!) I even had women prepare chivo for me and bring it to hotel.
Germany is probably the safest and easiest of all places (London is good though as is Aus / NZ) but you certainly do not get what I can get in the DR. Pulling people off the streets (now Gogo says, Cuba is special as is Colombia. Of which I do not know anything). Most places that I know of, around the globe are fish bowls or Internet ads these days, just no comparison compared to the DR.
The risk one is speaking of is much higher in the land I live (both the legal hazards and health) - if one cannot handle Sosua, one needs to take a second look at oneself or as some do, travel in group. After all, like the women in Sosua, there is safety in numbers!A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.
Tempoecorto
12-20-16, 01:03
A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.I am interested in Colombia (and Peru) so tell me something: could you get to speak to regular women on the street (that is, are they approachable and friendly enough to try and initiate a conversation) and get lucky at times? This to me is a big thing as anyone can go to a casa or pick up someone plying her trade on the street / bar.
The second question: what aspect of safety in Colombia is something that you are not comfortable with vis a vis the D. R?
Thanks.
Eszpresszo
12-20-16, 02:33
A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. That's funny because I am certain I read somewhere on this forum, someone said the Dominican girls gave better service than the Colombians. Reading forums like this, it is funny how opinions can change so quickly.
I believe it was on the old WSG back in the 90's, after mongers had discovered Colombia, the popular opinion was that Brazil was a rip-off and Colombia was now the place to be in South America. Not long ago here on the Colombian forums, some posters were opining that Colombian girls were inferior and Brazil is where the best women and best service is to be found.
Methinks this might not be a matter of fact, but merely subjective after all. Myself, I loved the Colombian girls and would like to go back for another poke at them. But, in bed they were the least exciting that I've encountered. Only one of the four I sessioned with, would allow kissing and the the blowjobs were always covered except in one instance.
The German freelancers I had experienced last year had a level of professionalism in regards to service that made them worth the premium. The Thai freelancers I was humping only a few weeks ago were among the most passionate prostitutes I have ever been with. So, I am ready to give the Dominican girls a shot. Why not?
I always tried to pick out the newbies or the irregulars, chicas who (rightly or wrongly) did not see themselves as putas but were trying to earn extra money to support their children. These are the same chicas I look for. A lot of the differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men. The women who don't interest me are virtually invisible to me, so I may not be aware of their behavior, and the same may apply to other men. So what is very apparent and a source of great annoyance to one person, may be quite unapparent to someone else who never even glances at the type of chicas under discussion.
In similar vein, some may say that there are few attractive chicas in Sosua, or many ugly ones, but for me, if I find one out of 50 attractive and personable, then I am perfectly happy. I also find that attractiveness relates much more to personality traits than physical perfection. Of course I like a shapely body, long legs, smooth skin, soft lips, good teeth, bright eyes, a great smile, a musical voice, but not all of these qualities have to be combined into a single package for attraction to occur.
A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. I have never been to Colombia, but seeing from photographs, I don't see it. The claim that chicas in Colombia are more attractive than Domicanas often seems to come down to saying that they are on average lighter skinned, or are the black Colombian girls also more attractive?
Eszpresszo
12-20-16, 03:13
It is YOUR behavior that gets you targeted, so just look around and figure out why it's YOU and not the regular that has to deal with this stuff.
If you can't blend in (attitude, dress, eye contact, body language) after a while, you'll have trouble travelling anywhere in the world. Sosua is no different.
As for the women, I always go back to this newbie Jerry guy, who latched on to me and my GF at the hotel. He asked if he could join our party at the bar. Sure!
So he's there and this old regular puta is sitting beside him feeling him up and showing him her stuff. All of a sudden drinks are spilled and she calls him something bad and walks off.
I asked him what the problem was. He's says, "Can you believe it, she asked me for milk money for the baby, I just met her!, I thought she was OK because she was with you guys!" So this guy fucks up and blames me :) I guess he thought she had fallen in love with him, or something.
That was the end of Jerry!Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?
I am interested in Colombia (and Peru) so tell me something: could you get to speak to regular women on the street (that is, are they approachable and friendly enough to try and initiate a conversation) and get lucky at times? This to me is a big thing as anyone can go to a casa or pick up someone plying her trade on the street / bar.
The second question: what aspect of safety in Colombia is something that you are not comfortable with vis a vis the D. R?
Thanks.Colombian chicas are no less approachable than Dominicans; moderate conversational Spanish is important.
When I'm in the DR I walk around cities at night with no concerns. I have walked Medellin at night but my spidy sense tingles and word on the Medellin forum is that El Centro at night is dangerous.
I have never been to Colombia, but seeing from photographs, I don't see it. The claim that chicas in Colombia are more attractive than Domicanas often seems to come down to saying that they are on average lighter skinned, or are the black Colombian girls also more attractive?Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I have been banging Dominicans and Colombians for decades and my preference is for Colombians. Very good question re black Colombians vs black Dominicans, I have sessioned perhaps a hundred times more black Dominicans than black Colombians so I don't think I can give a helpful answer.
That's funny because I am certain I read somewhere on this forum, someone said the Dominican girls gave better service than the Colombians. Reading forums like this, it is funny how opinions can change so quickly.
I believe it was on the old WSG back in the 90's, after mongers had discovered Colombia, the popular opinion was that Brazil was a rip-off and Colombia was now the place to be in South America. Not long ago here on the Colombian forums, some posters were opining that Colombian girls were inferior and Brazil is where the best women and best service is to be found.
Methinks this might not be a matter of fact, but merely subjective after all. Myself, I loved the Colombian girls and would like to go back for another poke at them. But, in bed they were the least exciting that I've encountered. Only one of the four I sessioned with, would allow kissing and the the blowjobs were always covered except in one instance.
The German freelancers I had experienced last year had a level of professionalism in regards to service that made them worth the premium. The Thai freelancers I was humping only a few weeks ago were among the most passionate prostitutes I have ever been with. So, I am ready to give the Dominican girls a shot. Why not?Regarding service the leche papi of the Dominicans makes them the worst lay for me. Brazilians are the best in the sack for me on the planet. Regarding looks my ratings are (1) Argentinians, (2) Brazilians and (3) Colombians. In German FKKs I get the best service from the German providers. I have been less impressed with the Thais than you have but I have a great time in Thailand nonetheless. The best GFE is in the Philippines.
Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?No, you can not blend in no matter what a bunch of expats in this forum tell you. You always be a gringo and as such a source of revenue for the locals. Don't worry about fitting in with the natives, you will be more attractive by being different and proud of it. Be discrete, don't bring unnecessary attention to yourself, don't engage in conversation with street people or vendors, don't get involved in any situation that does not directly concerns you, don't drink too much if alone, be careful with your valuables and with what you eat and you will be ok. If you are only in for a short time then SW are a must but if your stay is for 21 days or more, you should try to develop ties with girls working in bars, stores. Many are easy to get and much better as sex partners. Good luck.
Great story! And thanks for the warning. I guess what you are saying is one needs to keep the upper hand in these situations and don't come off as a pushover? I can do that well. I know how to be assertive with prostitutes. But, I am a bit lost as to how I am going to fit in with the locals in the DR, and most places in the world, for that matter. I'm 6'4" and really white. I do well in Northern Europe. I even know how to dress for Hamburg vs. Berlin (very different style, which will get you a different reception in those places). Though my standard mode of dress is casual, I do wear quality brand clothing and I am typically well groomed. I try to look presentable even when approaching working girls, because I know how it can affect pricing and service based on your desirability as a male. So, how can I blend into the DR? Or is there a standard, ex-pat look I can adopt that says "I live here"?I was talking about dress and attitude.
You can come off the plane decked out in flourescent cruisewear looking like Rodney Dangerfield in Caddy Shack, wearing a big Rolex, or you can look like the almost invisible expats shopping with their local wives in La Sirena.
"The art of dressing down".
I have stayed in towns near the Hatiian border, where there wasn't another white guy for a hundred miles. I can go to local bars and play pool and never raise an eyebrow!
Something about being comfortable in your own skin and your surroundings. It has a calming effect. Hard to describe.
Urbanite96
12-20-16, 17:39
A perennial comparison is between the DR and Colombia. I find Colombian chicas more beautiful than Dominicans, however, that's a matter of taste. Nevertheless, the better service of the Colombians is a matter of fact and not opinion in my books. For me, that makes Colombia a much better destination for mongering. Price wise I think both countries are about the same although Colombia might be a little cheaper being further from the US (except airfare of course). I find the DR to be a safer destination than Colombia, though, but apart from that I would rate the livability of both destinations as equal.What type of Colombian chicas are you talking about though? I'm from NYC, and we have plenty of Colombian and Dominican chicas from different parts of their respective countries, and I don't see how Colombians are any better looking. Maybe if you're talking about Sosua chicas vs Medellin chicas, but that would not be a fair comparison. Medellin is a city which is widely considered to have the best looking women in Colombia, whereas Sosua is a small town full of very poverty-stricken women trying to make a living from prostitution. I can name like 50 towns in DR with better looking women than Sosua.
These are the same chicas I look for. A lot of the differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men.The women who don't interest me are virtually invisible to me, so I may not be aware of their behavior, and the same may apply to other men. So what is very apparent and a source of great annoyance to one person, may be quite unapparent to someone else who never even glances at the type of chicas under discussionDifferent opinions on chica behavior stems from different tastes in women? Thats some interesting Frannyism right there. And you may be clueless of chicas behavior, unless you are interested in them personally? Amazing.
You don't give yourself much credit as a man who should be aware or knowledgeable of women's behavior without having to be personally interested in them or involved with them. Much of what I learned did not come primarily from personal experience, but from observation, and sharing intel with other men and their observations. Being interested or involved in any particular women was not required or necessary, in order to assess behavior in women.
In similar vein, some may say that there are few attractive chicas in Sosua, or many ugly ones, but for me, if I find one out of 50 attractive and personable, then I am perfectly happy. I also find that attractiveness relates much more to personality traits than physical perfection. Of course I like a shapely body, long legs, smooth skin, soft lips, good teeth, bright eyes, a great smile, a musical voice, but not all of these qualities have to be combined into a single package for attraction to occur.This I concur.
Different opinions on chica behavior stems from different tastes in women? Thats some interesting Frannyism right there. And you may be clueless of chicas behavior, unless you are interested in them personally? Amazing.
You don't give yourself much credit as a man who should be aware or knowledgeable of women's behavior without having to be personally interested in them or involved with them. Much of what I learned did not come primarily from personal experience, but from observation, and sharing intel with other men and their observations. Being interested or involved in any particular women was not required or necessary, in order to assess behavior in women.
This I concur.I don't spend my time in the DR hanging out with male expats or tourists, though I do have a couple of local male friends with whom I will occasionally catch up, so I write from my own experience of interacting with Dominican and Haitian women and their families. Very few men you meet there have interesting insights into their own behavior, let alone that of others.
Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?
I don't spend my time in the DR hanging out with male expats or tourists, though I do have a couple of local male friends with whom I will occasionally catch up, so I write from my own experience of interacting with Dominican and Haitian women and their families. Very few men you meet there have interesting insights into their own behavior, let alone that of others.Interesting response. See, Frannie, what you wrote I didn't automatically assume your self proclaimed limited abilities of being aware of women's behavior was specific to the DR, or even mongering. Thats not a flip the switch type of mentality / ability.
If women are virtually invisible to you, unless you are interested in them personally, that is a specific and separate issue / problem. The location is irrelevant. And this?
differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men.
Please explain how that works? Let me offer you a little feedback. A little earlier, I gave an account to a poster on chica behavior to be aware of. It was an observation of seeing how some chicas try to take advantage of a man by bringing their friends around to help drain the mans wallet, or to feed off the man's plate.
No personal interest in those women was necessary in order for me to be aware of that behavior, and share it.. In other words, their behavior ( the women ) was not visible or invisible to me, based on my personal interest or lack thereof.. That's an example that a man ( or anyone really ) can be aware of behaviors in women/people, without personal interest being a prerequisite.
Mr Enternational
12-22-16, 12:49
No personal interest in those women was necessary in order for me to be aware of that behaviorIt seems you would have to be aware of a person's behavior before you could develop any personal interest in them. Even if they are just there sitting still you would be aware of that behavior before liking them. Unless you are walking around wearing a blindfold and saying you are interested in whoever you stumble into, you are aware of their behavior before anything else develops or does not develop.
It seems you would have to be aware of a person's behavior before you could develop any personal interest in them. Even if they are just there sitting still you would be aware of that behavior before liking them. Unless you are walking around wearing a blindfold and saying you are interested in whoever you stumble into, you are aware of their behavior before anything else develops or does not develop.Yes, of course you would. If you are sexually interested in slim black women, then they are going to catch your eye a lot more than fat white women if you are in a crowded environment. If you are more interested in Haitians, your eye will filter out the Dominicans and observe more the behavior of the Haitians. On an even more macro level, a monger is more likely to have his attention drawn to the behavior of the chicas of nubile years than of the male motoconcho drivers or taxistas, or post menopausal women.
Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?Any fresh stuff rolling into town for the Christmas season?
Rumba, D'Latin, Bermuda Bar re-opened yet?
What's the new renovated Casa Valaria like? Any body recommend?
Any notable closures?
Classico busy? What's the ratio?
What's City Light's contribution to the mongering scene?
Are the cops still in street clearing mode?
Pedro still open to traffic?
Any action on the beach these days?
Anybody actually down there? ....... anybody?...... Hello,?
A little earlier, I gave an account to a poster on chica behavior to be aware of. It was an observation of seeing how some chicas try to take advantage of a man by bringing their friends around to help drain the mans wallet, or to feed off the man's plate.
You are making it sound like you are an ethologist like Lorenz or Tinbergen studying the teaching behavior of animals, for example ants will guide each other to food sources through a process called "tandem running," in which an ant will guide a companion ant to a source of food. It has been suggested that the pupil ant is able to learn this route to obtain food in the future or teach the route to other ants.
However my interpretation would be rather different. Anyone who has had children will know that they love to take morsels off daddy's plate, or to be spoon fed by mommy, so I suspect these immature young women are must making a show of dependency hoping to have their needs taken care of by "daddy", rather than constructing a Fagin-like training school for stealing food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HazQlWgdzg
Do you mofos ever get tired? Do you ever get tired of endless debates about fuckin nonsense? The Sosua forum on ISG is like a gathering place for men to talk about stupid shit that doesn't matter. All why'all mangers or fuckin sociologist?Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about a couple of posts ago. Because a topic is of no interest to Mong, he believes it must be nonsense and should not be discussed by anyone, even if they are interested in it and willing to spend a few minutes a day thinking about it. He feels that his own keen sense of what is important is necessary to keep the discussion on track, however he does not say what he wants to discuss or what he thinks really matters.
Tempoecorto
12-22-16, 16:02
You are making it sound like you are an ethologist like Lorenz or Tinbergen studying the teaching behavior of animals,
... so I suspect these immature young women are must making a show of dependency hoping to have their needs taken care of by "daddy", rather than constructing a Fagin-like training school for stealing food.
Lovely, Konrad Lorenz and Charles Dickens in the same post, thanks for that Frannie, any day that rather than the inane rant of some "mofo". LOL!
Mr Enternational
12-22-16, 16:09
Here is a perfect example of what I was talking about a couple of posts ago. Because a topic is of no interest to Mong, he believes it must be nonsense and should not be discussed by anyone, even if they are interested in it and willing to spend a few minutes a day thinking about it. He feels that his own keen sense of what is important is necessary to keep the discussion on track, however he does not say what he wants to discuss or what he thinks really matters.He wants you to talk about your sexual exploits so he can beat off. Get him hot Frannie. Enough with the advertisements and commercial interruptions.
He wants you to talk about your sexual exploits so he can beat off. Get him hot Frannie. Enough with the advertisements and commercial interruptions.I got a 10 with huge knockers in Classico last night for 250 pesos short time and pounded her for only three hours with my 11-inch tool when she started saying Papi Leche, so I kicked her out on the street naked without a dime and threw her clothes after her. On checking her tote bag, I found 11 hotel towels, an air conditioner unit, 2 condoms, a roll of toilet paper, and a packet of chewing gum. I tried to upload the closeup photos of her groin, but couldn't figure out how to make them small enough. Merry Christmas everyone!
Lovely, Konrad Lorenz and Charles Dickens in the same post, thanks for that Frannie, any day that rather than the inane rant of some "mofo". LOL!I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.
She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.
I was relieved!
Member #2041
12-22-16, 18:07
I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.
She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.
I was relieved!The last deep conversation I had with a puta in Sosua involved her wanting to get paid a certain amount of money to come back to my room and give me a BBBJ and fuck me, and me wanting to pay her less, which she accepted because it was a fair amount and business was slow. I didn't really take notice of the size of her handbag, because I didn't plan on leaving her alone with the opportunity to fill it with my belongings and those of the hotel we were in (which, BTW, was Terra Linda). I did, however, take notice of the size of her tits, which were roughly 36 c-cups, with very nice perky brown areolas the size of 50-cent pieces.
I was talking to a Sosua puta only the other day about the reported re-emergence of Satre's radical existentialism, which is rearing it's head again amongst the local population.
She assured me that most of her associates prefer the raw idealism as promulgated by Hegel.
I was relieved!I hope she corrected your spelling of Sartre's name and pointed out that while atheism is central to existentialism, approximately 100% of chicas express belief in an omnipotent deity with the power to punish malefactors with eternal damnation, while simultaneously performing sexual acts that many in the church milieu would consider sinful and worthy of punishment in hell. Hence some similarities in the Sosua scene to the final scene of Sartre's play Les Mouches (The Flies) in which the protagonist Orestes renounces all guilt for the crime of killing his own mother and states that moral standards must be determined by the individual and not imposed by others.
It is the tension of this unresolved conflict that makes them good in bed.
The last deep conversation I had with a puta in Sosua involved her wanting to get paid a certain amount of money to come back to my room and give me a BBBJ and fuck me, and me wanting to pay her less, which she accepted because it was a fair amount and business was slow. I didn't really take notice of the size of her handbag, because I didn't plan on leaving her alone with the opportunity to fill it with my belongings and those of the hotel we were in (which, BTW, was Terra Linda). I did, however, take notice of the size of her tits, which were roughly 36 c-cups, with very nice perky brown areolas the size of 50-cent pieces.I am amazed that you observed this. I have not seen a 50-cent piece for years.
Member #2041
12-22-16, 19:10
I am amazed that you observed this. I have not seen a 50-cent piece for years.Let's just say, definitely bigger than quarters. For a frame of reference that's more familiar, perhaps a 10 peso coin from Mexico. Which I see all the time, as I am based a mere 30 miles north of Tijuana.
Member #2041
12-22-16, 19:13
I hope she corrected your spelling of Sartre's name and pointed out that while atheism is central to existentialism, approximately 100% of chicas express belief in an omnipotent deity with the power to punish malefactors with eternal damnation, while simultaneously performing sexual acts that many in the church milieu would consider sinful and worthy of punishment in hell. Hence some similarities in the Sosua scene to the final scene of Sartre's play Les Mouches (The Flies) in which the protagonist Orestes renounces all guilt for the crime of killing his own mother and states that moral standards must be determined by the individual and not imposed by others.
It is the tension of this unresolved conflict that makes them good in bed.Either that, or the fact that many of them are bipolar. The manic phase of which frequently also involves nymphomania.
I hope she corrected your spelling of Sartre's name and pointed out that while atheism is central to existentialism, approximately 100% of chicas express belief in an omnipotent deity with the power to punish malefactors with eternal damnation, while simultaneously performing sexual acts that many in the church milieu would consider sinful and worthy of punishment in hell. Hence some similarities in the Sosua scene to the final scene of Sartre's play Les Mouches (The Flies) in which the protagonist Orestes renounces all guilt for the crime of killing his own mother and states that moral standards must be determined by the individual and not imposed by others.
It is the tension of this unresolved conflict that makes them good in bed.I was about to ask her about that, but she'd moved to another table!
Eszpresszo
12-22-16, 21:59
Any fresh stuff rolling into town for the Christmas season?
Rumba, D'Latin, Bermuda Bar re-opened yet?
What's the new renovated Casa Valaria like? Any body recommend?
Any notable closures?
Classico busy? What's the ratio?
What's City Light's contribution to the mongering scene?
Are the cops still in street clearing mode?
Pedro still open to traffic?
Any action on the beach these days?
Anybody actually down there? ....... anybody?...... Hello,?Good questions. But, I won't be arriving until Valentine's Day. I guess I should ask then, as a lot can happen in 8 weeks. Right?
Tempoecorto
12-22-16, 22:26
... and pointed out that while atheism is central to existentialism, approximately 100% of chicas express belief in an omnipotent deity with the power to punish malefactors with eternal damnation, while simultaneously performing sexual acts that many in the church milieu would consider sinful and worthy of punishment in hell.
It is the tension of this unresolved conflict that makes them good in bed.You guys are fabulous. Now Sartre and Hegel in another post. The closest I got to Sartre was " The Age of Reason"! By the way, what do you think Simone De Beauvoir would make of the Dominican women, also with reference to what Frannie speaks of here? LOL.
You guys are fabulous. Now Sartre and Hegel in another post. The closest I got to Sartre was " The Age of Reason"! By the way, what do you think Simone De Beauvoir would make of the Dominican women, also with reference to what Frannie speaks of here? LOL.I don't know, but really a lot of those early 20th century philosophers like Sartre and Bertrand Russell were trying to use philosophical ideas about individual freedom to justify them screwing around with young female students and admirers, having grown up in an era when the only sexual alternative was with servants and prostitutes in an era when syphilis was rampant and penicillin and the birth control pill had not been invented yet, and divorce was professional suicide. When Sartre and de Beauvoir made their contract to have an open marriage that allowed each other to have outside sexual affairs in 1929, this was incredibly revolutionary for the time, and only 7 years before the King of England was forced to abdicate because he insisted on marrying a divorced woman. I don't know what de Beauvoir would have made of the Dominican women, but there were plenty of prostitutes in occupied France during World War II providing services to German soldiers in exchange for luxuries, so she certainly would have been au fait with the concept of pay for play. De Beauvoir had a number of female lovers, so her motive for existential freedom was probably also basically a love of fresh young pussy.
She was banned from teaching for seducing one of her pupils, and the usual mode d'operation was for her to seduce her students first and then pass them on to Sartre for a dicking. So their marriage worked very well.
You should probably ask Mr. E about this. He has a degree in French. I am a mere dilettante.
Cocodrilito
12-23-16, 04:33
Any opinions on the following places or other recommendations?
1. Coco Hotel.
2. Sosua Sweet Vacations.
3. New Garden Hotel.
4. D'Piero Hotel.
5. Villa Florie Guest House.
6. Condos BayCity.
What interests me most is whether they are chica friendly, the staff is nice in general, the rooms and toilets are not very dirty, etc.
I remember that someone recommended me booking a room in advance only for the first night unless I'm arriving during Christmas. I'm going to spend 2 weeks in Sosua.
(8-22 Jan) and hesitating whether to make a reservation for the first 2-3 nights, one week or two weeks. The first two options would mean walking in (or searching on sites like booking.com) and asking about the availability of rooms in other places (or the same place if I don't feel like changing it) during my stay, which can be a bit tiring but also an interesting experience (have never had problems with doing this in Thailand, but it's going to be my first time in the DR).
P.S. I know that there is a thread called 'Sosua Hotels' on this forum, but it seems to be dead, so maybe asking here is better.
Member #2041
12-23-16, 04:43
De Beauvoir had a number of female lovers, so her motive for existential freedom was probably also basically a love of fresh young pussy.
Not so coincidentally, that's mine as well.
PuntingGeorge
12-23-16, 16:06
So, just booked a last minute 4 day trip to Sosua, I arrive this afternoon. Going alone and hoping for 4 days of decent mongering, without taking out a new mortgage.
I've trawled through this forum and I see a lot of philosophy but can't seem to pin down what's open and running these days.
Can someone please recommend strip clubs and let me know what I should expect to pay. Will they take USD or only local currency?
Any girls you could recommend for a 24 hour stay? Any escorts worth visiting for an hour or two.
Any pointers on good places to pick up civvys. What are my chances, young, average looking, but no Spanish?
Basically, I've never been to DR before, my Spanish is almost non existent, but I'm hoping to have a great time. Are my expectations unrealistic?
It seems you would have to be aware of a person's behavior before you could develop any personal interest in them. Even if they are just there sitting still you would be aware of that behavior before liking them. Unless you are walking around wearing a blindfold and saying you are interested in whoever you stumble into, you are aware of their behavior before anything else develops or does not develop.Exactly, but please stop making sense. The thing is, this is not even about one having to rely on personal observations or experience in order to be aware of women's behavior. But that is what Mr Frannie is trying to pass this off as.
He's using "The Ostrich" rationale. Womens behavior is invisible to him (and supposedly other men like him, I love the way he drags other men into his line of thinking) unless they are interested in those women. He basically claims his ignorance of other womens behavior is the result of not being able to pay attention with his head in the ground where all of the interested women are.
Meanwhile, who in their right mind would even believe what he is saying? The man has been on ISG for a number of years? Much of the information on all sorts of behaviors of women has been discussed, matched and confirmed many times over by dozens of mongers. He himself has acknowledged the reality of many types of behaviors manifested by chicas reported by different mongers. The good, bad and the ugly. Now all of a sudden he has selective awareness when it comes to women's behavior?
You are making it sound like you are an ethologist like Lorenz or Tinbergen studying the teaching behavior of animals, Enough with the deflections Frannie. Just address what I asked please.
Here it is again, since you conveniently ignored it. This is your statement.
differing opinions on chica behavior probably stem from different tastes in women held by different men Let me give you some foundation so you can answer the question maybe reducing more deflection.
1) Please give examples of differing opinions on chica behavior?
For instance guys that report chicas that have given bad service. Thats one opinion. Another is guys who report chicas that try to change the price agreement and demand more money, Thats another opinion. Guys that report chicas that have given great service. Guys who report chicas that have cooked and cleaned for them. Thats four different behaviors but there may be hundreds of opinions on each behavior that matches and comes from hundreds of different mongers.
1st off, many, if not all of those men offering their opinions may have experienced or observed negative and positive behaviors in different women ( or the same women ) over a period of time. How the hell would you begin to determine that differing opinions on womens/chicas behavior stems from their ( different mongers ) taste in women?
2) Now please explain how you supposedly got the understanding that differing opinions supposedly stems from different tastes in women (by different men).
So, just booked a last minute 4 day trip to Sosua, I arrive this afternoon. Going alone and hoping for 4 days of decent mongering, without taking out a new mortgage.
I've trawled through this forum and I see a lot of philosophy but can't seem to pin down what's open and running these days.
?I would recommend DR1 for useful current information.
This forum is mostly for cercle jerkers who like to brag on their abilities to go beyond common mongering to "next levels" of sexual fulfillment, and conscious awareness of the greater sociological issues out there.
They are also worried you might be using their posts to beat off to!
PuntingGeorge
12-23-16, 18:19
I would recommend DR1 for useful current information...Thanks for the quick response! Pardon my ignorance, I'm new here. What's DR1?
Charles Pooter
12-23-16, 19:07
Any pointers on good places to pick up civvys. What are my chances, young, average looking, but no Spanish?
Basically, I've never been to DR before, my Spanish is almost non existent, but I'm hoping to have a great time. Are my expectations unrealistic?Very unrealistic to hope to pick up civilians on a four-day first trip without Spanish and hardest of all to do it in Sosua. You would stand a better chance in Puerto Plata, but still very slim.
Can someone please recommend strip clubs and let me know what I should expect to pay. Will they take USD or only local currency?
There are no strip clubs in Sosua. In fact there are none on the North Coast though occasional attempts are made. Prostitution is legal here so not many people would want to pay to watch girls strip when they can pay them to fuck for a similar price.
You can pick up chicas in bars, cafes, casinos and discos and (in daytime) along the beach path. Also street-walkers but be very wary of those.
Will they take USD or only local currency?
Except for trivial purchases most places will take dollars, but you are likely to suffer rounding up. For example, a chica may accept 1500 pesos to fuck short-time. This is roughly US $32, but if you pay in dollars she might only accept US $40 or even US $50.
Any girls you could recommend for a 24 hour stay? Any escorts worth visiting for an hour or two.
I would be very wary of inviting chicas to commit to 24 hours when you do not know them. In fact, on a four-day first trip I would even be cautious about inviting them over-night. Leave that for your next trip when you have had time to build up connections. Play the field this trip and get a feel for the environment.
I have been mongering here for nine years and living here for the past seven. I have met hundreds of mongers and read about hundreds more on the boards. I have not met anyone who has used an escort service on the North Coast, although they do exist for those who are clueless or for whom money is no object. Why pay two or three times as much, with the risk of bait-and-switch or bungled arrangements, when you can "interview" a dozen girls in an evening face-to-face and take the one you like best straight to your room or to the cabana?
Other tips:
Bring a bank card with you in case of emergencies (theft, illness, accident, etc).
Never tell locals where you are staying, when you arrived, and (most important) when you are leaving. Or that it is your first trip.
This first trip, never agree to accompany any local (male or female) to anywhere off the beaten track. Stick where the gringos are.
Never pay up-front.
Never let local men offer to fix you up with chicas. They will not do any better than you can do yourself and it will cost you double, with the risk of greater problems.
Do not get drunk.
Haitianas tend to be nicer-natured and better value.
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Where are you staying? Hopefully in a hotel popular with mongers where you can chat to, and perhaps hang with, more experienced guys, as you have no Spanish.
I assume you did not come all the way from England for four days only? If you want a break from Sosua in the daytime when things are quieter, I would be happy to have a drink with you on the Malecon in Puerto Plata for a chat. It is a 45-min trip and will cost you a couple of dollars each way.
K Constant
12-23-16, 19:28
So, just booked a last minute 4 day trip to Sosua, I arrive this afternoon. Going alone and hoping for 4 days of decent mongering, without taking out a new mortgage.
I've trawled through this forum and I see a lot of philosophy but can't seem to pin down what's open and running these days.
Can someone please recommend strip clubs and let me know what I should expect to pay. Will they take USD or only local currency?
Any girls you could recommend for a 24 hour stay? Any escorts worth visiting for an hour or two.
Any pointers on good places to pick up civvys. What are my chances, young, average looking, but no Spanish?
Basically, I've never been to DR before, my Spanish is almost non existent, but I'm hoping to have a great time. Are my expectations unrealistic?1. Stay at Sosua Sunrise, New Garden, or Victorian House. There are a few other good places. Just don't be a noob staying in an AirBnB, villa, or other problematic/non-guest friendly spot.
2. Don't talk to any of the local Dominican guys offering help. Just totally ignore them. They will be able to smell the newbie on you.
3. In the morning at breakfast, ask any of the mongers at your hotel how the scene works.
4. Go the beach around noon and have lunch at Mofongo King or Tree House Lounge, #74 and #112B, respectively. There will be girls walking by around that time. If you see a girl you like, have her sit with you. Ask her a few questions, bang her, don't pay more than 2000 pesos.
5. Go to Bourbon Street Cafe around 6 pm. See a girl you like and ask her a few basic questions. Take her back to your room for short time. Don't pay more than 2000 pesos.
6. Around 11 pm, go to Classicos. See a girl you like, etc. You can pay this girl 3000 pesos if she agrees to stay until the morning and bang you before she goes.
7. Put all your valuables in a safe any times a girl is in your room.
8. Don't fall in love, don't tell girls you're new to Sosua, don't ever pay more than 3000 pesos.
Enough with the deflections Frannie. Just address what I asked please.
Here it is again, since you conveniently ignored it. This is your statement.
Let me give you some foundation so you can answer the question maybe reducing more deflection.
1) Please give examples of differing opinions on chica behavior?
For instance guys that report chicas that have given bad service. Thats one opinion. Another is guys who report chicas that try to change the price agreement and demand more money, Thats another opinion. Guys that report chicas that have given great service. Guys who report chicas that have cooked and cleaned for them. Thats four different behaviors but there may be hundreds of opinions on each behavior that matches and comes from hundreds of different mongers.
1st off, many, if not all of those men offering their opinions may have experienced or observed negative and positive behaviors in different women ( or the same women ) over a period of time. How the hell would you begin to determine that differing opinions on womens/chicas behavior stems from their ( different mongers ) taste in women?
2) Now please explain how you supposedly got the understanding that differing opinions supposedly stems from different tastes in women (by different men).Prostitution is a profession that has low barriers to entry, but can be well paid, so it is not surprising that it attracts some practitioners who have low ethical standards. However the surprising thing in Sosua is that you can find more than a few participants who are pretty nice people with undamaged personalities, particularly if they are newcomers. The more selective you are and the more you choose partners based on a holistic assessment and not just on physical characteristics like possession of extraordinary mammary endowment or steatopygia, the less likely you are to fall victim to occupational hazards of mongering. Chicas are not all the same and neither are mongers.
Of course anyone can make a mistake, but the important thing is to realize that a mistake has been made and move on.
So, just booked a last minute 4 day trip to Sosua, I arrive this afternoon. Going alone and hoping for 4 days of decent mongering, without taking out a new mortgage.
I've trawled through this forum and I see a lot of philosophy but can't seem to pin down what's open and running these days.
Glad to see you are interested in philosophy. Descartes said "I think therefore I exist" but you might do better with Frank Sinatra's "Do be do be do. ".
Stop thinking about strip clubs and escorts. You are on vacation and you will meet lots of local girls willing to have sex with you for not much money. Just be and do and you will be fine. In fact by the time I write this you will already be being and doing.
Thanks for the quick response! Pardon my ignorance, I'm new here. What's DR1?Just Google DRI. It's another sharing forum.
Or Google Sosua Today for openings and closings and watch this space for actual helpful information from people like Charles Pooter, and OldKool, Surfer, Camaro, who post occasionally here. They have no particular axe to grind, other than sharing!
This forum is frequented by many folks who have personally hung and spent time with each other, or have long and sometimes contentious debates on how to properly fuck in a brothel, how to treat the inmates of same. and who generally share a disdain of "low level" mongers who do not subscribe to their "rules" of mongering. They do not condone any behavior that threatens their "monger market", unless that behavior is suddenly "cool" for a elite member to participate in. Then they all jump in and endorse it.
Some notable examples are long time relationships, tipping, gift giving, paying more than they can afford, and such.
Lurk for a while.
You'll get the idea!
You'll notice it is entirely different from other ISG forums.
(One of the reasons for my post is to have them prove me wrong for the benefit of all)
That's what drives most of them!
Unfortunately it is not for the love of mongering!
Or even for the love of my mongering paradise, Sosua! :)
PuntingGeorge
12-24-16, 02:42
Wow, you guys are amazing, thank you all so much for all this information, and so quickly! I'm responding to the items I can add information to but I appreciate everything that's been posted.
Also street-walkers but be very wary of those. Oops. A bit late. But actually went okay. Shortly after I arrived, I was walking out of the complex when a couple of cute girls propositioned me. I'm too much a gentleman to turn a lady down, so haggled a little then took one back to my room. It was far from a perfect punt, she wouldn't kiss properly and wouldn't let me fuck her, said I'm too big (not trying to brag, just reporting) she did try a couple of positions but said it was too painful for her. I've had it a number of times before, so I know it wasn't a tactic. Her oral was great and tbh I was so desperate to blow my load, having just arrived after a dry spell, I was quite happy for her to suck me to completion. Ultimately, I got a decent BBBJ for 1,000 pesos. I know there is much better value to be had here, but it suited my needs at the time, so I'm a happy punter. What I found funny was how at home she made herself when she walked in. Walks straight to my fridge and helps herself to a bottle of water, then plugs her phone in to charge, then strips down and declares that she's going to take a shower (I stripped and attempted to join her, but she'd locked the bathroom door).
I would be very wary of inviting chicas to commit to 24 hours when you do not know them. In fact, on a four-day first trip I would even be cautious about inviting them over-night. Leave that for your next trip when you have had time to build up connections. Play the field this trip and get a feel for the environment. Makes sense. Can't believe that before I left I was actually considering girls who posted on BP and were quoting between $380 and $550 for 24 hours. When you consider that one can get an hour for the equivalent of $20, it makes absolutely no sense.
Never pay up-front.This actually surprised me. On both punts this evening, the girls never asked for money upfront and not even when we were done. I just pulled it out of my pocket and handed it over. In my experiences abroad, this never happens, it's always cash upfront.
Do not get drunk.Luckily I'm not a drinker. Just the odd beer.
Where are you staying? Hopefully in a hotel popular with mongers where you can chat to, and perhaps hang with, more experienced guys, as you have no Spanish.
Just don't be a noob staying in an AirBnB, villa, or other problematic/non-guest friendly spot.I'm afraid I'm a total noob haha, I went straight onto airbnb and booked a place (which said clearly no sex workers allowed, but I figured I'll take my chances) however, first night and I've already brought a girl in without a problem. The place I booked is very close to the hotels listed by K Constant (not sure it's smart to post my exact location while I'm still here) so at least I'm in the right area. In my defense, I woke up yesterday morning, decide to do this, went online and booked a ticket, not expecting you guys to be so quick and detailed with your info, so figured I had to have a place to go to from the airport. Anyway, it was dirt cheap, so even if I decide to move to one of the girl friendly hotels, I won't cry over the money I lose here.
I assume you did not come all the way from England for four days only? If you want a break from Sosua in the daytime when things are quieter, I would be happy to have a drink with you on the Malecon in Puerto Plata for a chat. It is a 45-min trip and will cost you a couple of dollars each way.Haha no! I was on the east coast of the USA. Had to be there this week and need to be there next week, so not worth flying home, but I also wasn't prepared to spend the long weekend in such freezing temperatures unnecessarily, so a little bit of research online and discovered this paradise. That's so generous of you, and I'll certainly take you up on that. I believe I need to pay for membership before we can PM, so I'll do that then we can be in touch directly. Thank you.
In the morning at breakfast, ask any of the mongers at your hotel how the scene works.I'm very close to the hotels you listed, so even if I don't end up staying at any of them, sounds like a good idea to go in just for breakfast. I assume it's just a case of saying Hi to single foreign looking men, on the assumption they're here for the same reason and will be willing to share their experience?
Around 11 pm, go to Classicos. See a girl you like, etc. You can pay this girl 3000 pesos if she agrees to stay until the morning and bang you before she goes.That's insane! You can barely get tossed off in the USA or Europe for what's effectively $60. Wow. I think Charles Pooter is correct that booking overnights on my first trip is probably not smart, but that is so so tempting. Anyway, I'm spent for today. After the above mentioned quick bit of action, I went and had a massage with happy ending for 1,000 pesos. Officially 40 minutes, but ended up being 25 minutes. Not really bothered though. Quality of the massage was excellent, girl was cute as a button, let me play with her when we got to the hand job, so had a great time and would happily do it again. But having had 2 mini adventures already this evening, I don't think I have the energy for an overnight (never thought ID hear myself type that LOL).
Put all your valuables in a safe any times a girl is in your room.Sound advice in any punting situation.
Don't fall in love, don't tell girls you're new to Sosua, don't ever pay more than 3000 pesos.I laugh, but I can imagine some of these girl are so desperate for a better life that they could really charm a gringo. I'll make sure to leave my heart in the safe before any long bookings.
Glad to see you are interested in philosophy.Oddly enough, I'm far more into sex than I am philosophy.
Stop thinking about strip clubs and escorts. You are on vacation and you will meet lots of local girls willing to have sex with you for not much money. Just be and do and you will be fine. In fact by the time I write this you will already be being and doing.Indeed I was and I did, twice. I've only been here a few hours, but I think I have a much better picture of what this place is all about, although, no doubt, I have much to learn.
who generally share a disdain of "low level" mongers who do not subscribe to their "rules" of mongering.Oakie, thanks for your post. Tbh I'm certainly a noob here and I appreciate all the advice shared, I'm sure experienced mongers will be kind (he says hoping).
Anyway, all this typing has given me time to recover, so I think I'll go browse LOL.
Charles Pooter
12-24-16, 15:13
Just Google DRI. It's another sharing forum.
It's actually DR1 (numeral). It is not a mongering forum so watch your language. Lots of Born-Again Christians and Dominicans strangely proud of their dysfunctional shithole nation.
It's actually DR1 (numeral). It is not a mongering forum so watch your language. Lots of Born-Again Christians and Dominicans strangely proud of their dysfunctional shithole nation.You chose the place, and live there, so we will respect your right to criticize it.
You are at ground zero, friend, doing what a lot of us are contemplating! Thanks for sharing your experience!
Merry Christmas might not be appropriate here.
But aw!, what the hell!
Cheers!
Charles Pooter
12-24-16, 16:05
Wow, you guys are amazing, thank you all so much for all this information, and so quickly!
Always happy to assist a fellow-countryman. And I guess the others liked your attitude, although you may now have caused some resentment about your big dick.
... she wouldn't kiss properly and wouldn't let me fuck her ... What I found funny was how at home she made herself when she walked in. Walks straight to my fridge and helps herself to a bottle of water, then plugs her phone in to charge, then strips down and declares that she's going to take a shower (I stripped and attempted to join her, but she'd locked the bathroom door).
This is exactly the sort of chica I have always avoided like the plague. No fucking? Get another job, miss! The other things she did are all normal and acceptable, but she should ask first. You need to command respect. I never let them lock the bathroom door. Firstly, they might be doing drugs or planting drugs. Lots of streetwalkers are "owned" by the police who are all corrupt. If they arrest you for possession of drugs you will be more than happy to pay US $10,000 to get out of jail. This is one of the reasons why living alone (rather than in a monger hotel) then taking back unknown chicas is a dangerous game. The risks are extremely small but the damage if you are unlucky is serious.
The other reason I never let them lock the bathroom door is I like to watch.
Can't believe that before I left I was actually considering girls who posted on BP and were quoting between $380 and $550 for 24 hours.
BP are expensive. They have Deepwater Horizon to pay for.
That's so generous of you, and I'll certainly take you up on that. I believe I need to pay for membership before we can PM, so I'll do that then we can be in touch directly. Thank you.
The offer still stands, but I do not know if you have time on such a short trip. And Sunday (Christmas Day) looks the only decent afternoon weather-wise for an outing. Do you have a phone which works in this country? I am not meeting anyone without a phone. Been stood up too many times. Seriously, I will be pleased to meet you if you can make it, but I am not worth standing up a great chica for, and certainly not worth paying a private taxi for. Use the publico service. Not sure how many run on Christmas Day. Anyone know?
I think Charles Pooter is correct that booking overnights on my first trip is probably not smart, but that is so so tempting.
When I was a more active monger I almost only did TLN (todo la noche. All night). I love cuddling up with a warm arse for the night. But you need a chica you can trust, from your own experience or recommended by someone you trust. By later trips you will have developed a feel for who you can trust.
I laugh, but I can imagine some of these girl are so desperate for a better life that they could really charm a gringo. I'll make sure to leave my heart in the safe before any long bookings.
Really streetwise and hardened mongers have become infatuated with a chica here. It happens.
Tempoecorto
12-24-16, 17:25
Always happy to assist a fellow-countryman.
How do you know he is a fellow countryman? He skirted around the question and I did not see any telltale sign, except his impeccable English!
BP are expensive. They have Deepwater Horizon to pay for.
You are hilarious! British petroleum does women on the side these days, jajaja!
This is exactly the sort of chica I have always avoided like the plague. No fucking? Get another job, miss! The other things she did are all normal and acceptable, but she should ask first. You need to command respect. I never let them lock the bathroom door. Firstly, they might be doing drugs or planting drugs. She might indeed be giving away free samples of drugs, but another interpretation could be that she was on her menstrual period, and wanted privacy in the bathroom to remove a tampon, wash out her vagina and put some kind of temporary plug over the cervix, so as to not miss out on an opportunity to earn a few pesos. She would probably not want this prep work to be observed.
Finding that our friend was hung like a donkey, she then had to switch to Plan B, which was a denial of full service with alternative orgasmic solutions on offer. My interpretation may or may not be correct in this case, but these things do happen. She sounds like she was pretty comfortable in the mileu, so she probably knew a few of the tricks of the trade.
Do, be, do, be, do.
Anyway Curious George sounds like a quick learner and it is great to have a new pair of eyes observing the Sosua scene.
Eszpresszo
12-25-16, 05:05
You can pick up chicas in bars, cafes, casinos and discos and (in daytime) along the beach path. Also street-walkers but be very wary of those.
Haitianas tend to be nicer-natured and better value..Okay, I am the curious one now. Be wary of street walkers, as opposed to? I wasn't aware there was a clear distinction between girls on the street and the girls in the clubs. I thought the only difference was where they happened to be standing at the time you see them.
In another post, you mentioned that the cops could "own" a streetwalker. Does anyone own the girls inside of private businesses? That is, do they have any special relationship with the the club management? Are their services more? I would appreciate if you would explain this, as I have my ticker to fly in 7 weeks! I want to have an understanding of the scene, because every scene is different, isn't it?
Also, I am assuming the Haitians are most obvious because of their skin color? Are they are in a different price range? I haven't dabbled in dark chocolate yet, but this seems like a good place to start.
Thanks.
She was on her period and just could not get things to work. These girls will fuck on their periods with little hesitation. I have a zero tolerance policy for putas. The first time you show disrespect or strange behavior she is gone. There are so many girls anxious to have our money there is no need to settle. Like you Fran I am no longer impressed by big ass or tits. I need some one willing to put in some work and have a good atitude. I am attracted to a good personality as much as a pretty face. Maybe this is why I rarely get bad performers.
I am planning my next trip and discovered a great way to fly to POP and home in March for 439 RT. The secret is flying into POP but going back from SDQ.
She might indeed be giving away free samples of drugs, but another interpretation could be that she was on her menstrual period, and wanted privacy in the bathroom to remove a tampon, wash out her vagina and put some kind of temporary plug over the cervix, so as to not miss out on an opportunity to earn a few pesos. She would probably not want this prep work to be observed.
Finding that our friend was hung like a donkey, she then had to switch to Plan B, which was a denial of full service with alternative orgasmic solutions on offer. My interpretation may or may not be correct in this case, but these things do happen. She sounds like she was pretty comfortable in the mileu, so she probably knew a few of the tricks of the trade.
Do, be, do, be, do.
Anyway Curious George sounds like a quick learner and it is great to have a new pair of eyes observing the Sosua scene.
Charles Pooter
12-25-16, 14:36
How do you know he is a fellow countryman? He skirted around the question and I did not see any telltale sign, except his impeccable English!Fee! Fi! Fo! Fum!
I smelt the blood of an Englishman.
Had his English been impeccable, I would have assumed he was Indian.
British petroleum does women on the side these daysI had, and still have, no idea what he meant by BP. Enlighten me!
PuntingGeorge
12-25-16, 15:04
Fee! Fi! Fo! Fum!Your sense of smell is impeccable Sir.
I had, and still have, no idea what he meant by BP. Enlighten me!Backpage. Wasn't sure if I was allowed to post that on here, and not even sure this will get posted. You made me genuinely laugh out loud when I read your response about horizon.
Fee! Fi! Fo! Fum!
I smelt the blood of an Englishman.
Had his English been impeccable, I would have assumed he was Indian.
I had, and still have, no idea what he meant by BP. Enlighten me!BP he meant most probably Backpage internet site similar to Craigslist.
Fee! Fi! Fo! Fum!
I smelt the blood of an Englishman.
Had his English been impeccable, I would have assumed he was Indian.
I had, and still have, no idea what he meant by BP. Enlighten me!BP most likely stands for BackPage.com the name of a US classified advertising Web site that is owned my the same company as the Village Voice. They appear to get about 99% of their income from advertising placed by prostitutes and there has been some controversy about the site being used to pimp girls who are younger than they ought to be, not that there is any legal age for prostitution in the US anyway. The owners of the site have recently had some legal problems and I would not be surprised if the site eventually comes down.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Backpage-com-responds-to-attorneys-general-2186162.php
BP is also the name of the company previously known as British Petroleum, but, although they do perform worldwide drilling and boring operations and produce various lubricants, they are in a different line of business.
Charles Pooter
12-25-16, 17:48
BP is also the name of the company previously known as British Petroleum, but, although they do perform worldwide drilling and boring operations and produce various lubricants, they are in a different line of business.Vaseline is a petroleum by-product so I suppose they cater to the gay market?
She just turned 18 and had one of the firmest bodies I have seen. Met her on Calle Rosen along with her chubby friend who I had an eye for. Tough choice, but I had to go with Ms Firm. She was inclined with exceptional oral skills for her age. I got on top for a bit but had to return to BBBJ to finish CIM.Awesome, what did she cost you? Was it ST or LT?
Hoping to get to sousa this year. - Sam.
Nothing wrong with the place or the service, it is just not what I am looking for.
There is quality, quantity and economy. In mongering you can get two of them only. Sosua is a great place for economical fuckfests but short on spending quality time with a hot babe. I am willing to pay top dollar for a nice encounter where we enjoy each other's company as we enjoy (or at least I enjoy) bodies. I think the only thing you will get for paying top dollar here is an empty wallet, the other service would not change.
I have always been leery of street walkers. Of the couple dozen I chatted up, I found that all they were interested in was getting the cash and getting out. Perhaps had my Spanish been better we might have come to a deal but it was not to happen. With a SW all you know is what she tells you. I prefer bar pickups or places with a known local so that should things go south you have some place to start looking for the girl.
Forty or so years ago, I might have simply gone for the fuckfest but at my age (north of 60) and number of women I have had, I am as much interested in the time with the woman as the time inside one of her various orifices.
I had several massages to drain the balls and prevent semen poisoning but these were all just mechanical, just hold on and pump, no teasing before the flip, no playing with the lads just jackhammer. Had this at every place I went to. Again if I was still 20 not too bad but at 60+ looking for something a little different.
Although if you are looking for a pure fuckfest, then Sosua is the place to go. Much like Thailand or other famous mongering places but a lot closer to north America and a lot more economical than many places I have been to.
Charles Pooter
12-26-16, 14:39
I have always been leery of street walkers. Of the couple dozen I chatted up ... etcI found this confusing. You say you are "leery" of street-walkers, but in a single trip you chatted up six times as many as I have in nine years of visiits and then seven years living on the North Coast.
Certainly anyone who spends much time or money on street-walkers is likely to have a rotten time in Sosua. I have avoided them like the plague since my first trip.
This is not to say you cannot find gems walking in the street. I have had some of my best experiences that way. But I am not speaking of street-walkers. I am speaking of civilian girls going about their lawful business, to and from their place of work, shopping, etc. It is easy to tell the difference. The first eye-contact will tell you whether or not to continue the approach.
However you do need some Spanish for this. I am increasingly of the opinion that newbies without Spanish should not go to Sosua, but to Blackbeards. Sorry you had a bad time.
Charles Pooter
12-26-16, 15:32
In a single trip you chatted up six times as many as I have in two years of visits and then seven years living on the North Coast.
Mr Enternational
12-26-16, 15:52
I have always been leery of street walkers. Of the couple dozen I chatted up, I found that all they were interested in was getting the cash and getting out.I don't really classify Sosua chicks as being street walkers. Street walkers are for the most part on the side of the street waiting for passing cars to stop and pick them up and take them short time. You are going to find the same chicks on the same corners at the same times everyday. This can be found on the malecon in Santo Domingo or around the monument in Santiago. Chicks that roam around Sosua going from venue to venue are more just plain freelance.
She just turned 18 and had one of the firmest bodies I have seen. Met her on Calle Rosen along with her chubby friend who I had an eye for. Tough choice, but I had to go with Ms Firm. She was inclined with exceptional oral skills for her age. I got on top for a bit but had to return to BBBJ to finish CIM.When you see these bodies, and learn about their skills, it is always worrying.
Just pt turned, means maybe a few months.
She didn't get that body and experience in just a few months.
Somebody must have enjoyed her skills and body, before she turned eighteen. Probably not aware she wasn't legal age and most likely not looking for a below legal age, but mainly for a good lay.
There plenty of ladies in the DR who are willing to wife up with you for a bargain rate. You need to speak a little Spanish and have some cash. That simple. Dominican cupid has scores of ladies to play the role. I am over 60 and enjoy sport fucking and wifing up. Depending on your place in life Sosua can be an unsettling place. The vibe is not geared to everyone. It seems to be moving toward a hip hop clientel. Never the less you can have a very good time with a little planning.
I don't really classify Sosua chicks as being street walkers. Street walkers are for the most part on the side of the street waiting for passing cars to stop and pick them up and take them short time. You are going to find the same chicks on the same corners at the same times everyday. This can be found on the malecon in Santo Domingo or around the monument in Santiago. Chicks that roam around Sosua going from venue to venue are more just plain freelance.
Charles Pooter
12-26-16, 19:14
I don't really classify Sosua chicks as being street walkers. Street walkers are for the most part on the side of the street waiting for passing cars to stop and pick them up and take them short time. You are going to find the same chicks on the same corners at the same times everyday. This can be found on the malecon in Santo Domingo or around the monument in Santiago. Chicks that roam around Sosua going from venue to venue are more just plain freelance.I agree. I was referring to the skanks who only walk the streets and approach guys, often quite aggressively. They are not allowed in bars and discos.
Member #2041
12-26-16, 19:17
If the existentialist philosophy and literature seminar is over, I'll be going back to the Tijuana forums, where I have much more recent and salient info to contribute about obtaining high quality pussy at great rates, now that Donald Trump's election has cratered the Mexican Peso, and the border crossing problems of the past have been addressed. Not that I have anything at all against Sosua, as I enjoy black chicks with the occasional GFE and nice beaches, as well as an interesting small museum relating to the some of my people's escape from the Holocaust, but it's been over 2 years since I've been there. And what with current events, as long as I can get 20 Pesos to the dollar just a half hour drive + a 15 minute walk from my house in San Diego, and get a basic lay with a cute chick for $12 worth of those Pesos, and a high quality un-rushed carnal experience for $25-40 worth of those same Pesos, as I said, well under an hour of easy and virtually free (actually $5 worth of gas round trip) travel from my home in the USA, I can't foresee another trip to the Dominican Republic in my immediate future.
As I bid you farewell, I leave you with a slight twist on the work of Rene Descartes, who was perhaps the father of all existentialism - although some could cite the much earlier Greeks:
"I fuck; therefore, I am".
Member #2041
12-26-16, 19:50
When you see these bodies, and learn about their skills, it is always worrying.
Just pt turned, means maybe a few months.
She didn't get that body and experience in just a few months.
Somebody must have enjoyed her skills and body, before she turned eighteen. Probably not aware she wasn't legal age and most likely not looking for a below legal age, but mainly for a good lay.If it will make you feel any better, perhaps she learned along with one of her schoolmates who was of a similar age, and not some older punter using cash as a motivational tool. That being said, the age of consent at 18 is really just a manifestation of an overly paternalistic Catholic Church as it relates to teenagers having fun with one another. Although it certainly is a reasonable protection against youthful inexperience being exploited by older men using money for personal gratification. In any case, so long as she is 18 now, I see no reason for concern, and plenty of reason to congratulate the gent who scored her, as she is a smokin hot dime piece.
Charles Pooter
12-26-16, 20:01
If it will make you feel any better, perhaps she learned along with one of her schoolmates who was of a similar age This is the DR, so maybe her cousin, brother or even father. BionicMan is naive. I would say 80% of working-class and under-class girls are fucking by the age of 14. Sorry, cannot remember the actual figure now, but a recent DR Govt report stated something like 20% of births are to girls under 18.
Middle- and upper-class not so much, but those classes only comprise 10% of the population.
By the way, I agree she is beautiful. OK that is my annual compliment to a dominicana effected with five days to go.
PuntingGeorge
12-26-16, 22:04
If you want a break from Sosua in the daytime when things are quieter, I would be happy to have a drink with you on the Malecon in Puerto Plata for a chat. It is a 45-min trip and will cost you a couple of dollars each way.What a gentleman! My man of the month. In addition to lots of useful information on here, he took the time to come out for a drink, share some experience and best of all set me up for an all night with a cracking Haitian girl. Considering how many times I struck out before last night, he made my trip! If all experienced mongers were so helpful towards newbies like me, the world would be a very entertaining place.
Member #2041
12-26-16, 22:23
She just turned 18 and had one of the firmest bodies I have seen. Met her on Calle Rosen along with her chubby friend who I had an eye for. Tough choice, but I had to go with Ms Firm. She was inclined with exceptional oral skills for her age. I got on top for a bit but had to return to BBBJ to finish CIM.I do believe that, if the chubby girl was cute too, you missed a chance at a very enjoyable threesome, but if you've still got boots on the ground in Sosua and contact information, perhaps you might remedy that oversight shortly. Hopefully, this was not due to the limitations of the guest policy at Casa Valeria that you referred to earlier, and if it was, that you could find a more suitable venue for debauchery moving forward.
As I bid you farewell, I leave you with a slight twist on the work of Rene Descartes, who was perhaps the father of all existentialism - although some could cite the much earlier Greeks:
"I fuck; therefore, I am".Actually that is a mistranslation. It should be "my parents fucked, therefore I came to be. ".
Member #2041
12-27-16, 02:29
Actually that is a mistranslation. It should be "my parents fucked, therefore I came to be. ".That's the biologist's interpretation, not the existentialist's, nor that of Descartes, who inspired existentialism.
There is, of course, the Spock dichotomy, where the interpretation would depend on whether it was Mr. Spock or Dr. Spock whom one was citing. However, in that case, Mr. Spock did have his existence validated by any mere fuck, rather, he only would when he experienced pon farr - however, I would want none of that, as that would only take place once every seven years.
Eszpresszo
12-27-16, 02:42
I found this confusing. You say you are "leery" of street-walkers, but in a single trip you chatted up six times as many as I have in nine years of visiits and then seven years living on the North Coast.
Certainly anyone who spends much time or money on street-walkers is likely to have a rotten time in Sosua. I have avoided them like the plague since my first trip.
This is not to say you cannot find gems walking in the street. I have had some of my best experiences that way. But I am not speaking of street-walkers. I am speaking of civilian girls going about their lawful business, to and from their place of work, shopping, etc. It is easy to tell the difference. The first eye-contact will tell you whether or not to continue the approach.
However you do need some Spanish for this. I am increasingly of the opinion that newbies without Spanish should not go to Sosua, but to Blackbeards. Sorry you had a bad time.I'm still trying to understand the difference between picking up the girl on the street versus the girl in the club. Can you explain what is wrong with the girl on the street versus?
Charles Pooter
12-27-16, 03:03
What a gentleman! My man of the month. In addition to lots of useful information on here, he took the time to come out for a drink, share some experience and best of all set me up for an all night with a cracking Haitian girl. Considering how many times I struck out before last night, he made my trip! If all experienced mongers were so helpful towards newbies like me, the world would be a very entertaining place.My pleasure. Good to see another convert to the dark side.
Charles Pooter
12-27-16, 04:21
Okay, I am the curious one now. Be wary of street walkers, as opposed to? I wasn't aware there was a clear distinction between girls on the street and the girls in the clubs. I thought the only difference was where they happened to be standing at the time you see them.
See MrEnternational's post #27704 below and my reply.
In another post, you mentioned that the cops could "own" a streetwalker.
Some of the hardcore putas get protection from police harassment by providing services to a particular cop. Obviously free sex, but also selling drugs for them, or informing, and occasionally setting up gringos in scams.
Does anyone own the girls inside of private businesses? That is, do they have any special relationship with the the club management? Are their services more?
There are no brothels in Sosua (except possibly Elvis' new place of which I have no experience). The former Pasion and CMP venues are long gone.
There are only free-lance girls (not usually controlled by pimps) and employees of bars, clubs, etc. In most of the DR there is a salida system (like barfines in Thailand) whereby you pay a fixed sum (typically 300 to 600 pesos) to let a staff member leave with you during her working hours. You then pay the chica whatever you agree with her and her employer gets none of that. As far as I know, no establishment in Sosua offers this service but other posters may know better.
If foregoing does not answer your question please rephrase it.
Also, I am assuming the Haitians are most obvious because of their skin color? Are they are in a different price range? I haven't dabbled in dark chocolate yet, but this seems like a good place to start.Of course there are many very dark Dominicans too, but I can usually identify Haitians. Obviously if you hear them speaking Kreyol, but also their accent and voice timbre when speaking Spanish. Little clues in dress, like how the men wear their ball-caps differently from Dominicans with a more jaunty or "erect" peak. They lose these distinctions after a few years in the DR like many of the hardcore haitianas who hang at the "Haitian Consulate" (Bar Central). But you should be going for the recent immigrants, not the ones who have learned nasty Dominican ways.
Tend to be cheaper because more desperate for money but that is not my reason for preferring them.
Eszpresszo
12-27-16, 04:42
See MrEnternational's post #27704 below and my reply.
There are only free-lance girls (not usually controlled by pimps) and employees of bars, clubs, etc. In most of the DR there is a salida system (like barfines in Thailand) whereby you pay a fixed sum (typically 300 to 600 pesos) to let a staff member leave with you during her working hours. You then pay the chica whatever you agree with her and her employer gets none of that. As far as I know, no establishment in Sosua offers this service but other posters may know better.
Tend to be cheaper because more desperate for money but that is not my reason for preferring them.Thanks for that clarification. I wasn't aware that the bargirls in the DR were affiliated directly with the owners. I am familiar with the barfine system in Thailand, having just returned from there. But, I also subscribe to the philosophy that the Thai girls in the bars are no better than ones on the streets. They just have the advantage of better presentation: Costume, makeup, lighting and facilities to keep their appearance up during the evening. That said, if you have a problem with a girl you picked up at a bar or club, do you have any recourse by complaining to the management? I am assuming this would apply to Santo Domingo, but not Sosua as you said.
I will definitely look out for the Haitian girls. My only experience with Haitians being the ones I encountered in South Florida, and they were definitely on the dark side, but stood out from the local AA community by their unique patois. Haitians are not the most visible people in the world, and only seem to be recognized when something bad happens in Haiti. Hopefully, the girls can be a positive contribution towards world peace and an economic driver for their impoverished nation. I will give them an opportunity to do just that.
I have had my share of these sweet young things like her. It is like finding buried treasure. If you treat them nice you can have some great experiences. The 3 some most likely would be a disappointment. Sounds like you had things well in control.
She just turned 18 and had one of the firmest bodies I have seen. Met her on Calle Rosen along with her chubby friend who I had an eye for. Tough choice, but I had to go with Ms Firm. She was inclined with exceptional oral skills for her age. I got on top for a bit but had to return to BBBJ to finish CIM.
This is the DR, so maybe her cousin, brother or even father. BionicMan is naive. I would say 80% of working-class and under-class girls are fucking by the age of 14. Sorry, cannot remember the actual figure now, but a recent DR Govt report stated something like 20% of births are to girls under 18.
Middle- and upper-class not so much, but those classes only comprise 10% of the population.
By the way, I agree she is beautiful. OK that is my annual compliment to a dominicana effected with five days to go.Might be naive but surely willing to be out of troubles.
I don't dispute she has learnt the roots ages ago.
Was just commenting that one could have taken her one year ago and no real sign through body and skills of her being below "the age".
So, somehow worrying.
Urbanite96
12-27-16, 08:12
Of course there are many very dark Dominicans too, but I can usually identify Haitians. Obviously if you hear them speaking Kreyol, but also their accent and voice timbre when speaking Spanish. Little clues in dress, like how the men wear their ball-caps differently from Dominicans with a more jaunty or "erect" peak. They lose these distinctions after a few years in the DR like many of the hardcore haitianas who hang at the "Haitian Consulate" (Bar Central). But you should be going for the recent immigrants, not the ones who have learned nasty Dominican ways.
Tend to be cheaper because more desperate for money but that is not my reason for preferring them.The vast majority of prostitutes in Sosua are Haitian or are mixed with Haitian blood. Sosua has never been a truly Dominican town; it was originally founded by Jews, then the black Cocolos and Haitians in surrounding areas flooded the town seeking economic opportunities. The majority of "locals" in the town are a mixture of these populations, with maybe some minor authentic Dominican ancestry here and there. If someone wants to mingle with more authentic Dominican women they should visit Santiago and the surrounding towns. Anyone that's like me and is used to seeing the type of Dominican women you find in the New York, New Jersey, Miami, etc. Will be very disappointment with the girls in Sosua. The first time I went to Sosua I had like a culture shock, I was like WTF!? The girls here look nothing like those fine-ass light skin Dominican dimes in USA. But then I started to explore the country, and did my research and I found out where all those beautiful girls come from. They come from towns like Moca, Baitoa, Janico, Constanza, Bani, etc. Not Sosua. Now of course if you just want some quick, cheap, and easy Haitian pussy, Sosua is the place to be.
Nothing wrong with the place or the service, it is just not what I am looking for.
There is quality, quantity and economy. In mongering you can get two of them only. Sosua is a great place for economical fuckfests but short on spending quality time with a hot babe. I am willing to pay top dollar for a nice encounter where we enjoy each other's company as we enjoy (or at least I enjoy) bodies. I think the only thing you will get for paying top dollar here is an empty wallet, the other service would not change.
I have always been leery of street walkers. Of the couple dozen I chatted up, I found that all they were interested in was getting the cash and getting out. Perhaps had my Spanish been better we might have come to a deal but it was not to happen. With a SW all you know is what she tells you. I prefer bar pickups or places with a known local so that should things go south you have some place to start looking for the girl.
Forty or so years ago, I might have simply gone for the fuckfest but at my age (north of 60) and number of women I have had, I am as much interested in the time with the woman as the time inside one of her various orifices.
I had several massages to drain the balls and prevent semen poisoning but these were all just mechanical, just hold on and pump, no teasing before the flip, no playing with the lads just jackhammer. Had this at every place I went to. Again if I was still 20 not too bad but at 60+ looking for something a little different.
Although if you are looking for a pure fuckfest, then Sosua is the place to go. Much like Thailand or other famous mongering places but a lot closer to north America and a lot more economical than many places I have been to.Interesting take.
An economical fuckfest is nothing to be sneezed at! Especially if you go for the types of women found there in quantity.
It would be hard for a 65 year old monger to buy a quality encounter with quality time spent (aside from fucking) from a chica who is a complete stranger, and with whom you cannot converse. That's not what Sosua is about. ST hookers are always looking at their watch / phone.
You actually don't have to travel to find that, if as you say you are willing to pay "top dollar" for a nice encounter. Most cities have a channel to escort services where an experienced GFE will make you feel special for an hour or two of paid time. A good one will make you forget the time, and even how much it is costing you!
But that's not Sosua's specialty.
It can be had with a little time invested, but, as you have found, requires more than stopping hookers on the street!
But at those prices you can kick it up a notch by inviting her girl friend (s) back too!
The first time I went to Sosua I had like a culture shock, I was like WTF!? The girls here look nothing like those fine-ass light skin Dominican dimes in USA. But then I started to explore the country, and did my research and I found out where all those beautiful girls come from. They come from towns like Moca, Baitoa, Janico, Constanza, Bani, etc. Not Sosua. Now of course if you just want some quick, cheap, and easy Haitian pussy, Sosua is the place to be.There are very few native Sosuans plying their trade, they all come from somwheres else, especially on the weekends. I can't remember ever having fucked a Sosua girl in 8 years or so.
But you are correct, there are some stunners in DR, and we are now in the habit of importing them to party central for convenience!
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=23373
Does that man look familiar?
Mr Enternational
12-27-16, 17:57
http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=23373
Does that man look familiar?No way that is true. All those women are happy to be in the wonderful paradise that is known as Sosua. Why are they trying to make it look bad?
Charles Pooter
12-27-16, 18:08
The vast majority of prostitutes in Sosua are Haitian or are mixed with Haitian bloodYou are a very prejudiced person.
The majority of prostitutes in Sosua are not Haitian (unfortunately, in my opinion, LOL). Maybe 25%?
But you are correct when you add "or mixed with Haitian blood". Because 95% of the Dominican population is "mixed with Haitian blood" (or Cocolo blood) if you go back a few generations. Trujillo, Leonel, Danilo all clearly had / have negro blood, as do 75% of the leading figures in politics or business one sees on TV, so it will be even more true the lower down you look in social class.
... some minor authentic Dominican ancestry here and there.Not sure what you mean by "authentic" Dominican ancestry. Dominican genes are what they are, and that means 25% African origin on average. Just as Great Britain sent a disproportionate number of Scots, Irish and Welsh to settle its colonies, so settlers from Spain came from its poorer regions in the south, the Basque country, the Canaries, etc and these people themselves were not "authentically" (to use your meaningless term) Spanish. Those from the south would have had a lot of African and Arab blood (as the Moors ruled most of Spain for 700 years).
So the first Dominicans were already mongrels even before the influx of African slaves. And there has been a steady stream of immigrants from all over the world since, Jews, Chinese, and Levantines (very influential among the rich).
The racists who supported the brutal dictators Trujillo and Balanguer tried to brainwash the people into thinking that their darker skin color was derived from their Taino ancestry. No scientist believes that now and only a few older, uneducated Dominicans. The admixture of Taino genes is actually no greater than the admixture of Neanderthal genes (less than 3%) whereas the admixture of African genes is around 25%. The reason being that the Tainos were soon effectively exterminated by the Spanish settlers before there was much chance to interbreed.
As for what you call "beautiful girls", we all have different preferences. If you think the whiter the better, you should be visiting the Ukraine, Russia or Scandinavia. Why compromise with mixed-ancestry dominicanas?
Better you judge people on their individual merits or demerits without fixating on skin color. Even Dominicans, one of the most culturally backward nations on earth, are slowly coming to realize that. One now sees a trickle of black faces on TV, only a token presence, but something I never saw ten years ago. And the younger generation no longer revere Columbus as a hero, but as a major historical figure who was (like most of them) a murderous thug. My son's school for the first time this year did not observe El Dia de la Raiz as a celebration of white supremacy as previously but of mixed ancestry. It's start.
Charles Pooter
12-27-16, 18:19
Thanks for that clarification. I wasn't aware that the bargirls in the DR were affiliated directly with the owners. That said, if you have a problem with a girl you picked up at a bar or club, do you have any recourse by complaining to the management? I am assuming this would apply to Santo Domingo, but not Sosua as you said.Sorry, that is not what I meant. Perhaps someone else can explain better than me?
Haitians ... stood out from the local AA community by their unique patois. It is not a patois. It is a language and recognized as such by philologists.
I had to scroll back 7 or 8 pages to see even a single report. Lot of bullshit discussion about existentialism, etc. Totally irrelevant. When we tell people RTFF, at least there should be something to read!! I learned nothing about DR mongering after spending half hour.
Charles Pooter
12-27-16, 21:37
I had to scroll back 7 or 8 pages to see even a single report. Lot of bullshit discussion about existentialism, etc. Totally irrelevant. When we tell people RTFF, at least there should be something to read!! I learned nothing about DR mongering after spending half hour.Well said, Crypton. We all look forward to reading your detailed, illustrated and up-to-date report tomorrow.
Well said, Crypton. We all look forward to reading your detailed, illustrated and up-to-date report tomorrow.You won't get that, of course. Because I was reading this section to see if DR is worth visiting. As I said, I still don't know the answer to that question because of lack of many reports. At leas in the first 8 pages!!
I had to scroll back 7 or 8 pages to see even a single report. Lot of bullshit discussion about existentialism, etc. Totally irrelevant. When we tell people RTFF, at least there should be something to read!! I learned nothing about DR mongering after spending half hour.The reason for this is that, most of us are so old that, even if we remember, how to do "it" with a woman, we cannot remember why. We prefer talking BS. By the way, there is a nice report from PuntingGeorge on page three.
No way that is true. All those women are happy to be in the wonderful paradise that is known as Sosua. Why are they trying to make it look bad?When we use the term "paradise" in a monger's forum, like, say, Sosua Reports, we are usually talking about a "mongers" paradise Mr. E, not a cultural or architectural paradise.
And see all those hundreds of smiling putas looking for a date? Hell, they've borrowed, stolen, parked the kids with Mama, hitched a ride just to get there!
Think they aren't happy to be there? You should see the look on my long time GF's face after a 10 hour bus ride!
YMMV
Mr Enternational
12-27-16, 23:53
And see all those hundreds of smiling putas looking for a date? Hell, they've borrowed, stolen, parked the kids with Mama, hitched a ride just to get there!
Think they aren't happy to be there? You should see the look on my long time GF's face after a 10 hour bus ride!You conveniently forgot to mention that some are evidently shot up with drugs to get there as well. I guess per the article, you could say the chicas are dying to get to Sosua.
You conveniently forgot to mention that some are evidently shot up with drugs to get there as well. I guess per the article, you could say the chicas are dying to get to Sosua.I didn't conveniently forget anything.
I have had no experience with the drug culture in the DR., despite 8 years of extended stays with local families.
But, I'm sure it is there, just like it is in your average NA city.
But I have no connection to it here at home either, so I'm no expert.
You won't get that, of course. Because I was reading this section to see if DR is worth visiting. As I said, I still don't know the answer to that question because of lack of many reports. At leas in the first 8 pages!!At Crypton Hello, just popped in here and I can see you are looking for reports. I am not sure how much you know of the. Are so excuse me if anything is patronizing.
I was in the. Are for 5 weeks this year, Lets just say it was a holiday of my lifetime and I originally planned just 12 days, it depends what type of girls you are looking for. What you are used to and who you are as a person.
I am a guy with very high standards. There are many good looking women (7's, 8's and 9's in that country that will cook, clean, or just give you a good time, you run the show. Just know that not every girl is a good girl some are Americanized.
Sosua and Punta Cana had talent, all types, Elegant Halle Berry types, super bodies, hood rats and all in between. You can set it up how you want, if you want to chill with the Halle berry chic for a weekend can do that. If you want to sport smash and smash 15 chics in a week you can do that, and the woman will be very good quality, its known as mini Brazil, (I haven't been Brazil I must say though).
If your into girls with big booties that's out there. I was surprised how accessible the 8's and 9's were, good looking woman.
At first when you go its a culture shock (you will have to tell me where you have mongered before as you may know how it is already). In London where I'm from the 8's and 9's act a certain way because they are not in abundance. For that matter the 6's and 7's in London act a way also.
In the. Are most of the girls have that cater to you mentality, they put you on a pedistol, its your holiday and they know that you bring the money. Only 1 girl had an attitude every other girl I met was cool and a few went above and beyond.
Sosua is a lot of fun, the old timers say the quality is no way as good as it used to be, and they may be right. But you can still get 8's if you know where to look.
Punta Cana chics are more expensive unless you know what your doing or how to move, harder to see it going. Sosua is point and click.
There is a dedicated forum for Sosua Google it.
The 8's and 9's brown skin honeys that you want in Miami or Vegas that you can't get at, well you can smash in the. Are for $50.
I'm not going to lie and say there was an abundance of 9's or 9.5's, because I didn't see many of those, they are probably on the island getting smashed by the politicians, musicians and German / Canadian business guys. But the more time you spend there the more you see the lay of the land and the more your phone book grows. Within 2 weeks your phone book will look like a rappers phone book, hot chics are all over the island.
My cab driver in Punta Cana put me on to some high quality chics, but the cabbie take a commission so bare that in mind. Its better if you meet the chic direct in a bar. But if you don't know the brothels then your going to need to ask a driver. Sosua has some gems.
One think I had to do was put a mental filter, because there is so many qualified chics, I was basically saying I'm not going to smash anything below a 7. If you don't have a filter you will blow your money as there is P4P everywhere in Sosua. And in many hotspots in the island.
A bit all over the place, and this isn't exactly a report but if you want to know anything feel free to ask.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 00:21
I didn't conveniently forget anything.
I have had no experience with the drug culture in the DR., despite 8 years of extended stays with local families.
But, I'm sure it is there, just like it is in your average NA city.
But I have no connection to it here at home either, so I'm no expert.Seems like you replied to my post which had something to do with the article that Revere posted without first reading the article.
Evidently, an American citizen was shooting a 22 year old Dominicana up with heroin and cocaine and making her sell ass in Sosua and make porno movies. This last time he shot her up with too much and she died.
Seems like you replied to my post which had something to do with the article that Revere posted without first reading the article.
Evidently, an American citizen was shooting a 22 year old Dominicana up with heroin and cocaine and making her sell ass in Sosua and make porno movies. This last time he shot her up with too much and she died.You posted a question to the forum.
I posted an answer.
Deal with it, it ain't that complicated! .
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 01:47
You posted a question to the forum.
I posted an answer.
Deal with it, it ain't that complicated! .Must be pretty complicated after all; for I posted the rhetorical question: "Why are they trying to make it look bad?" You did not post an answer to that as you claimed to have done. You instead went off on a tangent with, "When we use the term "paradise" in a monger's forum, like, say, Sosua Reports, we are usually talking about a "mongers" paradise Mr. E, not a cultural or architectural paradise.
And see all those hundreds of smiling putas looking for a date? Hell, they've borrowed, stolen, parked the kids with Mama, hitched a ride just to get there!
Think they aren't happy to be there? You should see the look on my long time GF's face after a 10 hour bus ride!
YMMV".
Did you see the look on the dead girl's face?
Urbanite96
12-28-16, 02:30
You are a very prejudiced person.
The majority of prostitutes in Sosua are not Haitian (unfortunately, in my opinion, LOL). Maybe 25%?We all have our prejudices here, but I'm not a hypocrite, and I'm not politically correct. I'm here to state my views and opinions bluntly and I won't criticize you for doing the same. You seem very "triggered" by my comments however, and are overly defensive when it comes to Haitians. Tell me, where exactly did you pull those numbers from? I'm sure the percentage of Haitian prostitutes is higher than 25%, even if you only include the Haitians that have recently migrated from Haiti. Last time I visited Sosua many of the street-walkers there had a noticeable Kreyol accent, same thing in Boca Chica. According to this 2016 article 60% of the prostitutes in Sosua are Haitian nationals.
http://www.ultimodiario.com/verNoticias.aspx?Id=13775
But you are correct when you add "or mixed with Haitian blood". Because 95% of the Dominican population is "mixed with Haitian blood"...African ancestry in Dominicans came via the slaves that where imported there centuries ago, not from Cocolos or Haitians. Your knowledge of this country is very limited, even though you've been here for so long. In one of your other comments you metioned that Trujillo was the president of Haiti, LOL so I will take anything you say with a grain of salt.
Not sure what you mean by "authentic" Dominican ancestry...It's pretty simple, an authentic Dominican is someone who doesn't have recent Haitian ancestry and doesn't speak with a Kreyol creole accent like the majority of prostitutes you find in Sosua. The original Dominicans where a Mestizo population who mixed with the African slaves creating a multi-racial population like in Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, etc. Then you had the Afro-Caribbean Cocolos who came to the island and increased the African percentage, they also served as kind of a buffer ethnic group between the Dominicans and Haitians, so you had many Cocolos who mixed with Dominicans and Haitians, whereas direct mixture between Haitians and Dominicans was less common. Though you had some exceptions like Trujillo, for example, but he descends from upper-class mulatto Haitians, not the typical African looking types. So I would say the most "authentic" Dominicans are those that retain the genetic and cultural characteristics of the founder population, and that would be the central Cibaenos, they're a light-skin triracial population that have retained the highest percentage of European colonial and native Taino ancestry in the island. In DR you basically have 3 main groups: Cibaenos, Cocolos, and Hatianos.
As for what you call "beautiful girls", we all have different preferences. If you think the whiter the better, you should be visiting the Ukraine, Russia or Scandinavia. Why compromise with mixed-ancestry dominicanas?...I like Latina, Mulatta, and Mediterranean looking women with nice big tits and asses. What makes you think I prefer them simply for their "whiter" appearance? We have plenty of Slavic women in New York, and I prefer the Dominicanas here. I notice in DR the lighter-skin women in the Central Cibao region tend to have better bodies than the blacker looking chicas in Sosua for some reason. So not only are they lighter and have prettier faces, but they also look taller, fitter, with insane hip to waist ratios. Like you're never going to find an Amelia Vega looking chica in Sosua, whereas I've been in some Cibao towns where literally every other girl had her phenotype.
Must be pretty complicated after all; for I posted the rhetorical question: "Why are they trying to make it look bad?" You did not post an answer to that as you claimed to have done. You instead went off on a tangent with, "When we use the term "paradise" in a monger's forum, like, say, Sosua Reports, we are usually talking about a "mongers" paradise Mr. E, not a cultural or architectural paradise.
And see all those hundreds of smiling putas looking for a date? Hell, they've borrowed, stolen, parked the kids with Mama, hitched a ride just to get there!
Think they aren't happy to be there? You should see the look on my long time GF's face after a 10 hour bus ride!
YMMV".
Did you see the look on the dead girl's face?Maybe the professor could unentangle it for you?
Member #2041
12-28-16, 04:25
You won't get that, of course. Because I was reading this section to see if DR is worth visiting. As I said, I still don't know the answer to that question because of lack of many reports. At leas in the first 8 pages!!I have plenty of recent, substantive reports. But they are in the Tijuana forums. I was last in Sosua over 2 years ago. I was reading this forum because I like to follow the comings and goings of all the places I have been in the past, and may visit in the future, and Sosua, along with many other venues fits that description. The fact for me personally, though, is that with the Mexican Peso cratered by Trump's election, and me living a half hour's drive from Tijuana, I can't rationalize going anywhere else at the moment. But I still got engaged in the discussions with other punters who were posting stuff on this forum. I apologize if the banter between punters from all over the place made your experience on this Sosua forum so onerous. But seriously, if you can't stand to get into a bit of a friendly dialog with other gents of similar interest, I feel bad for you.
Oh, and BTW, PuntingGeorge's substantive post which Nordico referred to has now been pushed to the top of the 4th page.
At Crypton Hello, just popped in here and I can see you are looking for reports. I am not sure how much you know of the. Are so excuse me if anything is patronizing.
I was in the. Are for 5 weeks this year, Lets just say it was a holiday of my lifetime and I originally planned just 12 days, it depends what type of girls you are looking for. What you are used to and who you are as a person.
I am a guy with very high standards. There are many good looking women (7's, 8's and 9's in that country that will cook, clean, or just give you a good time, you run the show. Just know that not every girl is a good girl some are Americanized.
Sosua and Punta Cana had talent, all types, Elegant Halle Berry types, super bodies, hood rats and all in between. You can set it up how you want, if you want to chill with the Halle berry chic for a weekend can do that. If you want to sport smash and smash 15 chics in a week you can do that, and the woman will be very good quality, its known as mini Brazil, (I haven't been Brazil I must say though).
If your into girls with big booties that's out there. I was surprised how accessible the 8's and 9's were, good looking woman.
At first when you go its a culture shock (you will have to tell me where you have mongered before as you may know how it is already). In London where I'm from the 8's and 9's act a certain way because they are not in abundance. For that matter the 6's and 7's in London act a way also.
In the. Are most of the girls have that cater to you mentality, they put you on a pedistol, its your holiday and they know that you bring the money. Only 1 girl had an attitude every other girl I met was cool and a few went above and beyond.
Sosua is a lot of fun, the old timers say the quality is no way as good as it used to be, and they may be right. But you can still get 8's if you know where to look.
Punta Cana chics are more expensive unless you know what your doing or how to move, harder to see it going. Sosua is point and click.
There is a dedicated forum for Sosua Google it.
The 8's and 9's brown skin honeys that you want in Miami or Vegas that you can't get at, well you can smash in the. Are for $50.
I'm not going to lie and say there was an abundance of 9's or 9.5's, because I didn't see many of those, they are probably on the island getting smashed by the politicians, musicians and German / Canadian business guys. But the more time you spend there the more you see the lay of the land and the more your phone book grows. Within 2 weeks your phone book will look like a rappers phone book, hot chics are all over the island.
My cab driver in Punta Cana put me on to some high quality chics, but the cabbie take a commission so bare that in mind. Its better if you meet the chic direct in a bar. But if you don't know the brothels then your going to need to ask a driver. Sosua has some gems.
One think I had to do was put a mental filter, because there is so many qualified chics, I was basically saying I'm not going to smash anything below a 7. If you don't have a filter you will blow your money as there is P4P everywhere in Sosua. And in many hotspots in the island.
A bit all over the place, and this isn't exactly a report but if you want to know anything feel free to ask.You and I share the same view of Sosua.
Just about everybody I talk to about it generally agrees. That is why it draws mongers by the plane load, and why many become expats, and wife up locally. There are many well heeled NA and European businessmen who have their choice back at home, FKK clubs, high end hookers, who wife up with a local, or just prefer to keep a local concubine or two.
They keep coming back.
That tells you something about the local ladies.
The ones that only see thieves, drug dealers, and drugged up putas, and scam artists, or believe that Sosua is dead, should move on.
Or look in the mirror :)
You won't get that, of course. Because I was reading this section to see if DR is worth visiting. As I said, I still don't know the answer to that question because of lack of many reports. At leas in the first 8 pages!!You said in your other post that you spent half an hour reading, and apparently you covered 8 pages, so you must have found it pretty interesting. It would not take you half an hour to identify which posts were trip reports and which were general discussion.
A quick 5-minute look at your posting history reveals that you have traveled to almost every major mongering spot in the world over the course of several years and have great expertise in mongering, and have written hundreds of posts on ISG and yet only now are you trying to find out for the first time whether you would like to visit the DR, which is one of the most written about destinations covered on ISG.
Quite honestly I doubt whether you would like it, otherwise you would already have been to the DR long ago.
We all have our prejudices here, but I'm not a hypocrite, and I'm not politically correct. I'm here to state my views and opinions bluntly and I won't criticize you for doing the same. You seem very "triggered" by my comments however, and are overly defensive when it comes to Haitians. Tell me, where exactly did you pull those numbers from? I'm sure the percentage of Haitian prostitutes is higher than 25%, even if you only include the Haitians that have recently migrated from Haiti. Last time I visited Sosua many of the street-walkers there had a noticeable Kreyol accent, same thing in Boca Chica. According to this 2016 article 60% of the prostitutes in Sosua are Haitian nationals.
http://www.ultimodiario.com/verNoticias.aspx?Id=13775
I lived in the Sosua area for a few years and I speak a bit of basic Kreyol, and in my opinion the percentage of hookers in the area who are Haitians is probably less than 25% unless there has been a substantial increase in the last few months.
I would not give much credence to the article you quote, because politicians and law enforcement in the DR make up numbers to advance political agendas and prejudices. Most Dominican politicians will say that 99% of all types of crime in the DR is down to Haitians and any time a serious crime is committed, the first thing is to round up and lynch a few Haitians. (OK, exaggeration, but not much.).
Charles Pooter
12-28-16, 18:38
I lived in the Sosua area for a few years and I speak a bit of basic Kreyol, and in my opinion the percentage of hookers in the area who are Haitians is probably less than 25% To be fair, the OP wrote "Haitian, or with some Haitian blood". I replied "sure, because the latter category includes most everyone in the country, at least from the social classes that produce hookers".
I would not give much credence to the article you quote, because politicians and law enforcement in the DR make up numbers to advance political agendas and prejudices.Exactly. The basic issue is that whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, the inevitable defense is to point to Haiti and how much worse things are there. This mentality is instilled from junior school upwards.
Tempoecorto
12-28-16, 19:17
Well said, Crypton. We all look forward to reading your detailed, illustrated and up-to-date report tomorrow.We cannot brook a know-all who barges in with an utterly callous, and querulous attitude. Punting George had questions too and you wrote in great detail to respond. But his tone was different.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 19:57
Exactly. The basic issue is that whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, Just to save Oakie a post:
Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. Do not talk about it like that. The chica that I have been taking care of for 8 years always has a smile on her face and a beer in her hand for me when she greets me at the airport.
Just kidding. We know he only comes to the defense of DR when it relates to certain posters. Had me or Wrx said the same phrase he would have been all over it before we could press upload report.
You said in your other post that you spent half an hour reading, and apparently you covered 8 pages, so you must have found it pretty interesting. It would not take you half an hour to identify which posts were trip reports and which were general discussion.
A quick 5-minute look at your posting history reveals that you have traveled to almost every major mongering spot in the world over the course of several years and have great expertise in mongering, and have written hundreds of posts on ISG and yet only now are you trying to find out for the first time whether you would like to visit the DR, which is one of the most written about destinations covered on ISG.
Quite honestly I doubt whether you would like it, otherwise you would already have been to the DR long ago.Frannie,
Yes I have been around in the past but due to a job change my travels have been curtailed during the last 6 years or so. My travels in the past have been opportunistic. Meaning work took me there usually. The reason I looked at DR now is because it's close to where I live, and I have never been there. And it appears it is well set-up for the hobby. Good point about liking or not liking it. That is precisely what I was looking for on here. Thanks!!
Giama,
Thank you very much for your informative post. I prefer those to sarcastic responses! .
Just to save Oakie a post:
Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. Do not talk about it like that. The chica that I have been taking care of for 8 years always has a smile on her face and a beer in her hand for me when she greets me at the airport.
Just kidding. We know he only comes to the defense of DR when it relates to certain posters. Had me or Wrx said the same phrase he would have been all over it before we could press upload report.While we are in a jocular mood, and to save Charles a post, let me just say that he doesn't live in Sosua, but rather Puerto Plata, a difference which you "conveniently forgot" :)
Charles is very positive mongering advocate and most helpful in his advice to would be mongers coming to his area, and unselfishly even gives of his time to ensure they get on the right track. That said, we have had respectful differences of opinion in the past. The key is respectful.
So, when we talk about a destination for a specific activity, say mongering or archaeology, we can say that Egypt is a "paradise" for that activity, while at the same time an archaeologist who lives there, may well be right iin his view that the country is a dysfunctional shit house!
... whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, the inevitable defense is to point to Haiti and how much worse things are there. This mentality is instilled from junior school upwards.I think you are a little hard on the DR. Compared to the US affordable healthcare, public education, public transportation, affordable Internet, and quality of food probably to the DR, whereas the US wins on quality of roads, drainage, drinking water, plumbing, sewerage management, Internet structure, and cockroach control. I know you will say public education is terrible in the DR, but it may be even worse in the US.
I would say the overall standard of living in Europe is better than than both the US and the DR.
You and I share the same view of Sosua.
Just about everybody I talk to about it generally agrees. That is why it draws mongers by the plane load, and why many become expats, and wife up locally. There are many well heeled NA and European businessmen who have their choice back at home, FKK clubs, high end hookers, who wife up with a local, or just prefer to keep a local concubine or two.
They keep coming back.
That tells you something about the local ladies.
The ones that only see thieves, drug dealers, and drugged up putas, and scam artists, or believe that Sosua is dead, should move on.
Or look in the mirror :)Yeh, I guess because I had no clue about how sosua was in 90's, and 00's. What I don't know don't hurt me, I had a fantastic time. I'm glad I found it I had never met a dominican so you could say I stumbled across it.
It was my first mongering holiday.
My List to do:
More D. R.
Brazil.
Colombia.
Panama.
Costa Rica.
Cuba.
Ethiopia (but need more research).
Its made me a more focused person back home in my city, I work, invest and stack my money. I no longer have to put up with any nonsense from any woman in my city, or make time for any bullshit, I'm even more selective now. So its made me a better business man, I no longer need to chase. That is almost priceless.
Charles Pooter
12-28-16, 22:43
Well why do you continue to live here if you think it is so crappy and dysfunctional? It is a great place. The answer should be obvious. It is "a great place" for us to visit and to live in precisely because it is crappy and dysfunctional for the great majority of its inhabitants. If it were an efficient democratic country with ample well-paid jobs, good free education and health service, honest police and a low crime rate, most of us could not afford to live here, and would not want to even if we could because the place would no longer be a sea of cheap pussy. The girls in Sweden and Norway are beautiful but they are hardly monger's destinations. The locals there enjoy a high standard of living but I would have to take out a mortgage to buy a beer.
The DR is not unique in that respect. All the favorite low-budget mongering destinations are places with brutal, corrupt governments and desperate poverty.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 22:57
I know you will say public education is terrible in the DR, but it may be even worse in the US.This is bullshit Frannie. Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It is mostly due to sorry ass parents. I know this first hand. I was an educator and I have a daughter that I love dearly who followed that same path. Her sorry ass mother never made her do her work or go to school. And they would both fight against me for even suggesting that she do it. In a custody hearing when she was 13, even the judge told her mom that when she turns 16 she can drop out on her own and there is nothing you can do about it. And that is exactly what the fuck happened. My daughter went to great schools and all she did was bring down their numbers.
See, they don't just give an education away. You have to put in work to earn one. And when you can tell me that every student is going to school and doing all of their assignements, but somehow still not receiving a proper education I will not listen to the bullshit.
Just look at some of these videos online of how the kids act in class. I have never seen a video of a teacher not trying to teach, but there are countless ones of students being disruptions so that even those around them that want to learn can not. Did you see what went down in multile shopping centers in the US the other day? That is what we are up against. You can't treat a toothache if the doctors refuse to diagnose it as such. But I do understand that the world needs garbage collectors and toilet scrubbers too. If everyone worked to get their education then there would be nobody left to do the shit jobs. My daughter is now 20 and has been waitressing for the last 4 years.
Member #2041
12-28-16, 23:06
This is bullshit Frannie. Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It is mostly due to sorry ass parents. I know this first hand. I was an educator and I have a daughter that I love dearly who followed that same path. Her sorry ass mother never made her do her work or go to school. And they would both fight against me for even suggesting that she do it. In a custody hearing when she was 13, even the judge told her mom that when she turns 16 she can drop out on her own and there is nothing you can do about it. And that is exactly what the fuck happened. My daughter went to great schools and all she did was bring down their numbers.
See, they don't just give an education away. You have to put in work to earn one. And when you can tell me that every student is going to school and doing all of their assignements, but somehow still not receiving a proper education I will not listen to the bullshit.
Just look at some of these videos online of how the kids act in class. I have never seen a video of a teacher not trying to teach, but there are countless ones of students being disruptions so that even those around them that want to learn can not. Did you see what went down in multile shopping centers in the US the other day? That is what we are up against. You can't treat a toothache if the doctors refuse to diagnose it as such.Public education in inner cities and rural areas sucks in the USA, but in the suburbs and in affluent urban areas, it's pretty darn good. It's also true that a major contributor to that divergent experience is also how involved parents are in both setting expectations, and actually getting involved at the detail level in the education of their kids. But single parents who struggle to just provide food and clothes and housing very often simply can't devote the time and effort to that task. And they are often poorly educated themselves, and thus not well prepared to handle that task even if they had the time and inclination to do so. Frankly, the vast difference in the educational experience is for kids in the USA depending upon where and in what home environment that they grew up, is one of the major contributors to how divided a society we presently are in the United States.
And my apologies to Crypton for yet another post that tells him nothing about procuring local pussy on the ground in Sosua.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 23:09
If it were an efficient democratic country with ample well-paid jobs, good free education and health service, honest police and a low crime rate, most of us could not afford to live here, and would not want to even if we could because the place would no longer be a sea of cheap pussy. The girls in Sweden and Norway are beautiful but they are hardly monger's destinations. The locals there enjoy a high standard of living but I would have to take out a mortgage to buy a beer.I know what you mean CP. I once went to the Christmas market in Denmark and a cup of hot chocolate was $13. That is my water bill for 3 months in Thailand. The more developed countries are great for getting an education and earning a living but they can have the rest of that shit.
Member #2041
12-28-16, 23:14
The DR is not unique in that respect. All the favorite low-budget mongering destinations are places with brutal, corrupt governments and desperate poverty.The only exceptions to this rule would be Germany and the Netherlands, but these are not TRULY budget destinations for pussy. They just seem so compared to the USA.
Mr Enternational
12-28-16, 23:25
Public education in inner cities and rural areas sucks in the USA, but in the suburbs and in affluent urban areas, it's pretty darn good. It's also true that a major contributor to that divergent experience is also how involved parents are in both setting expectations, and actually getting involved at the detail level in the education of their kids. But single parents who struggle to just provide food and clothes and housing very often simply can't devote the time and effort to that task. And they are often poorly educated themselves, and thus not well prepared to handle that task.It is still all bullshit man. First of all there are no single mothers struggling to provide food, housing, and clothing for their kids. If nothing else then we have a welfare system to take care of that. A single father is not getting shit though. And even if I am having a hard time providing those things there is still no excuse for my kid going to class acting an ass and not doing their work. If anything I will encourage my kid to get their education so that they can get out of the shithole. But most people could give a damn about doing better when they are getting free shit for not doing better.
The differece is that kids in suburbs are going to school and getting their lesson. It has nothing to do with where the money is going. I can go to Harvard, which has a lot of fucking money. But if I refuse to pick up my pencil there, you can not blame Harvard for not giving me an education.
And it is correct for the schools in the suburbs to get more money than those in the inner cities. What moron would pour money into somewhere they know it will be wasted because the users of the new books and computers are not going to take care of the shit anyway. I taught in the inner city so you can't bullshit me with this stuff.
It is still all bullshit man. First of all there are no single mothers struggling to provide food, housing, and clothing for their kids. If nothing else then we have a welfare system to take care of that. A single father is not getting shit though. And even if I am having a hard time providing those things there is still no excuse for my kid going to class acting an ass and not doing their work. If anything I will encourage my kid to get their education so that they can get out of the shithole. But most people could give a damn about doing better when they are getting free shit for not doing better.
The differece is that kids in suburbs are going to school and getting their lesson. It has nothing to do with where the money is going. I can go to Harvard, which has a lot of fucking money. But if I refuse to pick up my pencil there, you can not blame Harvard for not giving me an education.
And it is correct for the schools in the suburbs to get more money than those in the inner cities. What moron would pour money into somewhere they know it will be wasted because the users of the new books and computers are not going to take care of the shit anyway. I taught in the inner city so you can't bullshit me with this stuff.Mr. Enternational,
in most cases on your post I agree with what you're saying, however I have to break ranks with you on this one I've seen both the Intercity in a row area which I went to school at. If money were not the issue then why do the suburbs schools in the affluent areas pump so much money in their schools who makes no difference how much money is applied to the schools? Yes it may be true that those kids are less motivated and the poor systems however you need other resources to bring those kids up to understand what is needed to achieve a good living it all takes money.
Member #2041
12-29-16, 00:00
It is still all bullshit man. First of all there are no single mothers struggling to provide food, housing, and clothing for their kids. If nothing else then we have a welfare system to take care of that. A single father is not getting shit though. And even if I am having a hard time providing those things there is still no excuse for my kid going to class acting an ass and not doing their work. If anything I will encourage my kid to get their education so that they can get out of the shithole. But most people could give a damn about doing better when they are getting free shit for not doing better.
The differece is that kids in suburbs are going to school and getting their lesson. It has nothing to do with where the money is going. I can go to Harvard, which has a lot of fucking money. But if I refuse to pick up my pencil there, you can not blame Harvard for not giving me an education.
And it is correct for the schools in the suburbs to get more money than those in the inner cities. What moron would pour money into somewhere they know it will be wasted because the users of the new books and computers are not going to take care of the shit anyway. I taught in the inner city so you can't bullshit me with this stuff.If you really believe that there is no such thing as a single mother that struggles to make ends meet for her and her kids in the USA because we have a completely sufficient welfare system, then you are too clueless and too far out of touch to be worth having a dialog with, so I won't bother.
This is bullshit Frannie. Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It depends what you mean by lousy, I suppose. I see teachers in the US trying to teach third graders the 3 x table using algebraic formulae. This makes no sense because most third graders don't have the college level verbal skills to understand the instructions or the underlying concepts. Similarly third graders are asked to identify the key idea in a paragraph about an economic theory that sizes of things like packets of potato chips increase in a bad economy. Now this is utter nonsense, because third graders are interested in things like pet fish, puppies, bicycles and don't even know that there is such a thing as an "economy", never mind an economic cycle. Teachers in the US are like the inhabitants of the island of Laputa (wonder where that name came from) in Gulliver's Travels.
From Wikipedia.
Laputa's population consists mainly of educated people, who are fond of mathematics, astronomy, music and technology, but fail to make practical use of their knowledge.
The Laputans have mastered magnetic levitation and discovered the two moons of Mars (which in reality would not be discovered for another 150 years). However, they are unable to construct well-designed clothing or buildings, because they take measurements with instruments such as quadrants and a compass rather than with tape measures.
The clothes of Laputans, which do not fit, are decorated with astrological symbols and musical figures. They spend their time listening to the music of the spheres. They believe in astrology and worry constantly that the sun will go out... The Laputan women are highly sexed and adulterous, preferring men from the island of Balnibarbi. The Laputan husbands, who are so abstracted in mathematical and musical calculations, don't know that their wives are adulterous.
If you really believe that there is no such thing as a single mother that struggles to make ends meet for her and her kids in the USA because we have a completely sufficient welfare system, then you are too clueless and too far out of touch to be worth having a dialog with, so I won't bother.I would agree with this. While it is true that there are some kinds of services available for single mothers in the US that are not available in the DR, the welfare system is full of holes and forces mothers into low paid jobs with long hours so that they are constantly exhausted and much of the money that they earn goes into childcare and babysitting expenses. The best route for a single mother seems to be to eat herself into a stupor on junk food until she is so obese that she is classified as disabled and can get a powered wheelchair and an oxygen tank to carry with her. Her pussy has not been seen for years, which prevents her from having more kids, but makes her miserable, but fortunately she has Medicaid to pay for antidepressants.
Eszpresszo
12-29-16, 02:40
It depends what you mean by lousy, I suppose. I see teachers in the US trying to teach third graders the 3 x table using algebraic formulae. This makes no sense because most third graders don't have the college level verbal skills to understand the instructions or the underlying concepts. Similarly third graders are asked to identify the key idea in a paragraph about an economic theory that sizes of things like packets of potato chips increase in a bad economy. Now this is utter nonsense, because third graders are interested in things like pet fish, puppies, bicycles and don't even know that there is such a thing as an "economy", never mind an economic cycle. Teachers in the US are like the inhabitants of the island of Laputa (wonder where that name came from) in Gulliver's Travels.When my stepdaughter started 9th grade in America, she was amazed how remedial it was. She said they were her teaching things in high school that she had learned in grade school, back in Romania. She eventually got over it and called American high school an "easy A" once she picked up the local lingo.
Now, can we get back to the topic of Dominican girls, instead of arguing stuff that is more appropriate elsewhere?
It depends what you mean by lousy, I suppose. I see teachers in the US trying to teach third graders the 3 x table using algebraic formulae. This makes no sense because most third graders don't have the college level verbal skills to understand the instructions or the underlying concepts. Similarly third graders are asked to identify the key idea in a paragraph about an economic theory that sizes of things like packets of potato chips increase in a bad economy. Now this is utter nonsense, because third graders are interested in things like pet fish, puppies, bicycles and don't even know that there is such a thing as an "economy", never mind an economic cycle. Teachers in the US are like the inhabitants of the island of Laputa (wonder where that name came from) in Gulliver's Travels.
From Wikipedia.
Laputa's population consists mainly of educated people, who are fond of mathematics, astronomy, music and technology, but fail to make practical use of their knowledge.
The Laputans have mastered magnetic levitation and discovered the two moons of Mars (which in reality would not be discovered for another 150 years). However, they are unable to construct well-designed clothing or buildings, because they take measurements with instruments such as quadrants and a compass rather than with tape measures.
The clothes of Laputans, which do not fit, are decorated with astrological symbols and musical figures. They spend their time listening to the music of the spheres. They believe in astrology and worry constantly that the sun will go out... The Laputan women are highly sexed and adulterous, preferring men from the island of Balnibarbi. The Laputan husbands, who are so abstracted in mathematical and musical calculations, don't know that their wives are adulterous.Frannie, here is a better read (Swift, I guess, originates from 'to swive'.).
Urbanite96
12-29-16, 06:11
To be fair, the OP wrote "Haitian, or with some Haitian blood". I replied "sure, because the latter category includes most everyone in the country, at least from the social classes that produce hookers".Nah, read my last response in it's entirety. I'm convinced a large percentage of the prostitutes in Sosua are straight up Haitians fresh from the batey. Maybe it's not as high as 60% like the article claims, and the authorities might be exaggerating, but it's definitely not lower than 25%, I think the true percentage is somewhere in the middle of those two numbers. Now I'm not exactly sure who is less trustworthy and biased, the DR authorities or the posters in this forum?
Exactly. The basic issue is that whenever anybody criticizes this crappy, dysfunctional country, the inevitable defense is to point to Haiti and how much worse things are there. This mentality is instilled from junior school upwards.I don't see anyone comparing this country to Haiti here. DR is better off than many countries throughout the region, so there's no reason to compare DR to the absolute worst country in the western hemisphere. So if your sole reason for being in this island is to seek desperate women who are willing to sell their body to you for a bargain, then you should head west, [Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin]
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In Sosua, next month looking for a good wing man, friends, to share experiences with.
The powers to be have agreed to a new after hours spot to try to grow the entertainment environment in Sosua. The after hours spot is Playa Chiquita Casino and the goal is to be the place to go after all other clubs close in the area similiar to Kaviar Disco in Puerto Plata. As I said, I got love for Sosua just not how it has been and I believe in making things happen. I do not have time for all the back and forth and put downs. Grown men do grown things! The dj is cool. His name is Dj Jairo Sosua and he speaks english.
Like the name insinuates, the mongering scene in Laputa must be great, but I couldn't find any reports.
The powers to be have agreed to a new after hours spot to try to grow the entertainment environment in Sosua. The after hours spot is Playa Chiquita Casino and the goal is to be the place to go after all other clubs close in the area similiar to Kaviar Disco in Puerto Plata. As I said, I got love for Sosua just not how it has been and I believe in making things happen. I do not have time for all the back and forth and put downs. Grown men do grown things! The dj is cool. His name is Dj Jairo Sosua and he speaks english.I never really liked After One. This Chiquita has the same vibe. I went there one night and that will probably be my last time going there. The place has a nice setup however the one thing I liked about After One was the location. You can just walk to it from Classico. You didn't have to have directions nor need a motor scooter to take you there. I was in the new joint for every little bit of 10 minutes. The DJ is not diverse enough for me. It takes the crowd up to an hour to even start filtering in the club.
I personally think to move the after hour spot to that place was a strategic move done by the locals who profits from charging for rides. There is no way you are walking to Chiquita's from Classico. However, if you want for grab a late night snack (which we did) the area can work for you.
Damn the well lit casino next to After One was a winner with its operations for a little while. The area was a lot more packed.
Earlier during the day some chica were passing out flyers 4 people to patronize the casino next to after 1. I guess they were fighting for the crowd business.
Yeh, I guess because I had no clue about how sosua was in 90's, and 00's. What I don't know don't hurt me, I had a fantastic time. I'm glad I found it I had never met a dominican so you could say I stumbled across it.
It was my first mongering holiday.
My List to do:
More D. R.
Brazil.
Colombia.
Panama.
Costa Rica.
Cuba.
Ethiopia (but need more research).
Its made me a more focused person back home in my city, I work, invest and stack my money. I no longer have to put up with any nonsense from any woman in my city, or make time for any bullshit, I'm even more selective now. So its made me a better business man, I no longer need to chase. That is almost priceless.We have a lot in common.
That is an added bonus we get from a mongers paradise, like Sosua. I've mentioned it here in the forum, often.
You no longer have time for the games "normal" women play back home. Work is less of a problem because you know you always have a great, cheap, vacation around the corner. I don't feel the urgency to return their texts and phone calls either. It kills them! LOL.
You always have a smile on your face, anticipating the next trip, and they notice that you are really hard to impress, so they want some of what it is you have. I got more free pussy since I started going to Sosua! :)
Although I have a long time regular down there, I don't communicate, phone or text, or send money, between visits. She knows I take good care of her when I'm there, so she's trained up. You just have to ignore the daily WhatsApp love messages, which some guys find hard to do. How we actually get together when I'm down there, is another fun story.
Eszpresszo
12-29-16, 17:13
Yeh, I guess because I had no clue about how sosua was in 90's, and 00's. What I don't know don't hurt me, I had a fantastic time. I'm glad I found it I had never met a dominican so you could say I stumbled across it.
It was my first mongering holiday.
Its made me a more focused person back home in my city, I work, invest and stack my money. I no longer have to put up with any nonsense from any woman in my city, or make time for any bullshit, I'm even more selective now. So its made me a better business man, I no longer need to chase. That is almost priceless.I feel much the same way as you. I got divorced a year and a half ago, and in the last days of my marriage, I immediately met some new girls who wanted to fuck. One was a widow and mom of two kids, who was amazing in bed, but lost interest in me after 3 weeks because I was not actually divorced yet. Another was a girl I had lusted over when I was in my early 20's, but she turned out to be a nut case who scrambled my brains worse than my wife. Horny to be sure and she was making big money. She was a doctor. But she was single for a good reason. After the divorce was final I bumped into a wannabe cougar who assumed me to be a younger man (I am in my late 50's but often assumed to be in my early 40's). She soured on me after about three weeks (again) even though things were going well between us. I went to visit an old friend in Berlin and when I arrived, I got a text from her saying she could not be my girlfriend because blah blah blah. She actually waited until I was in the air en route to Europe before she sent that. Again, she was single for a reason. But, I forgot her name promptly, because I started mongering in Berlin (a city with a great mongering scene that is not appreciated by the FKK crowd, but is the most sexualized city in Germany.) Had to check out Colombia and Spirit Airlines had a great deal ($218 round-trip) to Medellin at a time when the COP was weak against the USD. Hey, it still is weak against the $, so I suggest you check it out. Made it to Thailand at the end of last month. My head is still spinning from 9 days there. Put, that on your list, or at least check out somewhere in Asia. It was my first trip to Asia, but it won't be my last!
Yes, you get more focus when you delete the local women and the dating scene from your life. And yes, you are right. I focus more on retirement investing, and have made some important career moves after being in limbo during the last years of my marriage. I try to plan two mongering trips a year. A long weekend someplace here in the Western hemisphere. And a much longer overseas vacation. This takes money, but it also has caused me to plan, to budget and in general, manage my finances better.
Meanwhile, I moved in with my brother after I divorced, since he has a 3-bedroom house and he is gone most of the time. He has been occupied with a high-maintenance girlfriend, who treats him like shit. This is an on and off relationship. She is beautiful, to be sure, and works for a major airline so they can fly around the world if they like. But, she makes him pick up the tab on everything when they travel, and I sense his finances are being stretched though he was normally the guy who was flush with cash and money to burn. I've tried to convince him he should go on a trip with me, but he finds the whole idea of mongering a bit much. Still stuck in his old-fashioned notions of living happily ever after with the woman he loves. And in the meantime, he has got nothing done in the past three years, because he is at the beck and call of his bi*tch. I have tried to help him with home improvement projects (I actually worked construction on the homes in this subdivision when I was fresh out of high school), so he can put his house on the market (he wants to move closer to work and can realize a nice profit on the sale of his home), but he is too busy running around, wasting time and money on his girlfriend, when they are together. When they are apart, he goes out clubbing with his pals, drinks too much expensive liquor at bars, trying to pick up stray pussy. He has little success at that, though he is an attractive, solvent and good-natured guy. Overall, he is wasting his time and not getting anything done.
Oddly enough, he has not expressed any interest in what I did on my trip to Thailand. He hasn't asked me a single question about it, or showed any interest in seeing my travel photos. His friends are very curious and want to know about my mongering adventures. But, my brother? I think he is truly afraid to see what he is missing.
SavePros321
12-29-16, 17:19
You no longer have time for the games "normal" women play back home. Work is less of a problem because you know you always have a great, cheap, vacation around the corner.
Good post Oakie. This is even better if you can manage to travel every three months. Work doesn't ever seem like work at all when you have an air and hotel reservation waiting for you :)
We have a lot in common.
That is an added bonus we get from a mongers paradise, like Sosua. I've mentioned it here in the forum, often.
You no longer have time for the games "normal" women play back home. Work is less of a problem because you know you always have a great, cheap, vacation around the corner. I don't feel the urgency to return their texts and phone calls either. It kills them! LOL.
You always have a smile on your face, anticipating the next trip, and they notice that you are really hard to impress, so they want some of what it is you have. I got more free pussy since I started going to Sosua! :)
Although I have a long time regular down there, I don't communicate, phone or text, or send money, between visits. She knows I take good care of her when I'm there, so she's trained up. You just have to ignore the daily WhatsApp love messages, which some guys find hard to do. How we actually get together when I'm down there, is another fun story.Real talk, I didn't realize how much energy and resource I put into women in the UK. Until I went to Sosua.
Its amazing what supply and demand does to an industry as well as a welfare system. I have 1 chic in my city who I have trained up, that keeps me cool in between my Sosua visits. Might keep it this way while I grow my online businesses spending time working from the laptop.
I have dreams of one day when I blow up, living with 4 or 5 Dominican dimes, but I know that's probably a terrible idea, the financial disparity between us and them gets you thinking of all kinds of scenarios. Living there 6 months a year is definitely something I am working on.
Good post Oakie. This is even better if you can manage to travel every three months. Work doesn't ever seem like work at all when you have an air and hotel reservation waiting for you :)Ah, but you got Medellin, Brasil and, I assume Thailand, too.
I can only assume, your smile must be bigger than mine!
But like the OP said, I don't know any different. I'm not sure I could handle any more than Sosua.
Right now I'm happy to go home after a week, anymore and I'd become truly addicted.
Anyway I just thought of something while I was typing.
All my life, sex was this huge thing that affected everything I did. Never thought it was normal, but enjoyed it. I remember travelling with the family, and after bedding them all down for the night, say in San Fran or LA, making an excuse to go out "for cigarettes". It was difficult for me to have any friendship with a good looking girl, I was always restraining the urge to proposition her.
Now I'm on the same page as most guys, and especially the women. Now I have attractive female friends I'm not looking to fuck!
After letting it all hang out in Sosua, sex has now become just a normal part of life, not the sole reason for the whole fucking deal :)
SavePros321
12-29-16, 23:07
Ah, but you got Medellin, Brasil and, I assume Thailand, too.
Medellin, yes. Brazil, soon. Thailand, possibly some day ;)
SavePros321
12-29-16, 23:14
Oddly enough, he has not expressed any interest in what I did on my trip to Thailand. He hasn't asked me a single question about it, or showed any interest in seeing my travel photos. His friends are very curious and want to know about my mongering adventures. But, my brother? I think he is truly afraid to see what he is missing.Just don't make the mistake of discussing "this thing of ours" with coworkers, friends or family with girlfriends or wives. Those are some of the most scornful fuckers you could ever meet. Learned that lesson long time ago and have even lost friends because of it.
I feel much the same way as you. I got divorced a year and a half ago, and in the last days of my marriage, I immediately met some new girls who wanted to fuck. One was a widow and mom of two kids, who was amazing in bed, but lost interest in me after 3 weeks because I was not actually divorced yet. Another was a girl I had lusted over when I was in my early 20's, but she turned out to be a nut case who scrambled my brains worse than my wife. Horny to be sure and she was making big money. She was a doctor. But she was single for a good reason. After the divorce was final I bumped into a wannabe cougar who assumed me to be a younger man (I am in my late 50's but often assumed to be in my early 40's). She soured on me after about three weeks (again) even though things were going well between us. I went to visit an old friend in Berlin and when I arrived, I got a text from her saying she could not be my girlfriend because blah blah blah. She actually waited until I was in the air en route to Europe before she sent that. Again, she was single for a reason. But, I forgot her name promptly, because I started mongering in Berlin (a city with a great mongering scene that is not appreciated by the FKK crowd, but is the most sexualized city in Germany.) Had to check out Colombia and Spirit Airlines had a great deal ($218 round-trip) to Medellin at a time when the COP was weak against the USD. Hey, it still is weak against the $, so I suggest you check it out. Made it to Thailand at the end of last month. My head is still spinning from 9 days there. Put, that on your list, or at least check out somewhere in Asia. It was my first trip to Asia, but it won't be my last!Thailand I see, I went there once but to the south (not mongering, I wasn't impressed) I hear the women in the north are better. I need me a chic with a nice athletic shape / curves / slim thick, is that available out there?
Yes I know plenty of guys like your brother, I tried to show them about this way of life but half don't care for the idea, and the others may come in 2017 we will see. My philosophy now is to let them get on with there lives, with there average looking wives, who are out of shape (yet my male friends are good looking) and ill get on with mine, and they better not talk to me about there problems with women.
You can take a horse to water but you can't force them to drink it. I literally created a harem in a short space of time that was on a some miss world / hip hop vixen shit. Add that to the cheap cost of living and amazing weather and to me its a paradise. But most are to programmed into the matrix.
The game is skewed in favor of women, social media put the nail in the coffin. 95% of females have over valued them selfs, due to the attention they receive. Much of Europe and USA is like this. Ultimately women get to pick who they mate / play with, that's not a game that I'm interested in being in. In these type of countries our dollars are valued. The welfare system undermines the dollars you make in the US. When I look at a stuck up US or UK chic I just laugh now. I had 9's cleaning the house every day, cooking 3 meals a day for days on end, with not an ounce of attitude. I only deal with women in my town that are 110% cooperative, under my terms. Whats funny is all these hot chics are staying broke, or not building anything anyway, so as long as one is investing, there will be a time when there not doing too well and you can smash. I smashed so many women in my late 20's, that were not really giving me much play in my teens. 95% of women are a depreciating asset, treat them like entertainment. We are appreciating assets.
I now know what I need to do with the rest of my life, things have never been so crystallized.
Now that I have experienced that lifestyle, no turning back.
Tempoecorto
12-30-16, 01:39
Public education is great in the US. The problem is the bad ass kids who refuse to do their work or even to go to school for that matter. It is mostly due to sorry ass parents. I know this first hand. I was an educator and I have a daughter that I love dearly who followed that same path. Sorry to hear about your frustrations raising your child. I see that you have assigned the sorry state of the inner city education to the parents but why do you think that happens? I happen to see a program in my state (which tops in school education performance ranking) in which inner city kids are brought to suburban wealthy schools. I am not sure how they are selected as I did not notice particularly gifted kids in the group but their behavior is different. They are not unruly and often behave very well.
The environment has a lot to do with the growth of our children. Now I cannot figure out why the inner city parents are as lackadaisical as you describe, for if I recall, you yourself came up from a needy background and hauled yourself up by studying. I certainly grew up in a poor country where the class size was about 50 but many if not most parents even when they were poor, had higher expectations of their children. Whatever happened to the American Dream, according to you?
DominicanPete
12-30-16, 05:33
In Sosua, next month looking for a good wing man, friends, to share experiences with.When you headed down?
I'm trying to work out some dates and details for a quick excursion down there.
I've been reading the posts here about bitchy American women. My contribution is that women are the same everywhere. The difference is that when you visit a third world country you have ten times the earning power than you have in the US. So guess who will be king there? Consider if you were earning ten times the salary you currently earn in the US. Would you monger abroad? I wouldn't.
I've been reading the posts here about bitchy American women. My contribution is that women are the same everywhere. The difference is that when you visit a third world country you have ten times the earning power than you have in the US. So guess who will be king there? Consider if you were earning ten times the salary you currently earn in the US. Would you monger abroad? I wouldn't.That's true, and I agree but one observation.
I have great earning power in both US / European society also, but yet the women are not cooking and cleaning or going above and beyond.
The 9's and 10's in the UK that I do smash (because I take care of them financially), there not cooking and cleaning and doing the domestic duties the way these Latin women were. They still act like there the prize. Its due to the thirst marketplace that USA and UK have created.
But I agree with your point in general. They are all basically the same and it comes down to supply / demand, and financial numbers.
Eszpresszo
12-30-16, 17:37
I've been reading the posts here about bitchy American women. My contribution is that women are the same everywhere. The difference is that when you visit a third world country you have ten times the earning power than you have in the US. So guess who will be king there? Consider if you were earning ten times the salary you currently earn in the US. Would you monger abroad? I wouldn't.I would not monger at home, regardless of money. Given the legal liabilities, both criminal and civil, it is very risky to your wealth. If I was financially independent, I would not even live in America full-time. If you have money in the US, you will attract a lot of women, but they are the women you particularly don't want to meet. Just ask Dirk Nowitski about that. And that ends up being the most expensive pussy in the world. Legalities aside, I don't find the exotic flesh I prefer particularly anywhere in the US, and I am not a chubby chaser! Long, silky, black hair and petite, light skinned Latinas float my boat.
I tried meeting girls through a dating site before I went to Thailand, recently. After much time wasted in my pursuit to meet a "nice Thai girl", I came to the conclusion that the situation is the same there: They are single for a reason.
Not that I don't think there are some great women there in Thailand, who could be great spouses. But, you do have to consider that a lot of available women have either chased off, or blown off the local men. I have little experience with Thai men personally, but one expat told me that they tend to be really great guys or complete dicks. Maybe that had some impact on the situation.
But, to the topic at hand, I am certain there are women in the DR who are the worst kind of women you could ever get hooked up with, even if she wasn't a prostitute. And that is why I will probably never get married again, even if I am in a nation full of apparently wonderful women.
I've been reading the posts here about bitchy American women. My contribution is that women are the same everywhere. The difference is that when you visit a third world country you have ten times the earning power than you have in the US. So guess who will be king there? Consider if you were earning ten times the salary you currently earn in the US. Would you monger abroad? I wouldn't.I would, you can have 10 times more pussy! LOL.
Charles Pooter
12-30-16, 18:05
The difference is that when you visit a third world country you have ten times the earning power than you have in the US.Putting your main point to one side, and thinking only of the DR (as you have posted on the Spsua board), I think "ten times" is a great exaggeration. The usual figure bandied about for the DR is "five times", but I have never seen any supporting numbers.
Rents are much cheaper, though you have to watch that you are comparing like for like. I live in a sizable ground-floor middle-class Dominican apartment, five minutes form the seafront, which costs me approx US $210 per month. On the other hand, we were partially flooded three times during the recent heavy rainy period and my neighbors just shrugged their shoulders. Par for the course here.
Basic local foods are a bit cheaper. But everything imported is 150% to 200% more expensive.
Doctors, dentists, etc are much cheaper (but of variable reliability) but branded medicines are 150% to 200% more expensive.
And so on. Very hard to make like for like comparisons, but "ten times" would be a great exaggeration for the DR.
Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua.
What do other guys think?
Charles Pooter
12-30-16, 18:18
I've been reading the posts here about bitchy American women. My contribution is that women are the same everywhere. I partially agree, but you cannot let the US off the hook entirely. Guys are always complaining that chicas' attitudes are deteriorating. A lot of that is looking at the past through rose-tinted spectacles, but it is partly true. And the reason would be the increasing Americanization of the country, as more people have been to the US, watch American TV programs and movies and are brainwashed by American materialism and dog-eat-dog philosophy.
Haiti is not so Americanized, which is why the girls' attitude is sweeter, more "traditional" if you like.
It is not just their attitudes but their waistlines which are affected. In the ten years I have been coming here Dominicans have got noticeably fatter. Partly because more of them ride in vehcles instead of walking, and fewer do manual labor on the land, but mainly through buying American style junk food. Here again haitianas have the advantage. A greater proportion of them have to walk, and they cannot afford so much pre-packaged food.
Putting your main point to one side, and thinking only of the DR (as you have posted on the Spsua board), I think "ten times" is a great exaggeration. The usual figure bandied about for the DR is "five times", but I have never seen any supporting numbers.
Rents are much cheaper, though you have to watch that you are comparing like for like. I live in a sizable ground-floor middle-class Dominican apartment, five minutes form the seafront, which costs me approx US $210 per month. On the other hand, we were partially flooded three times during the recent heavy rainy period and my neighbors just shrugged their shoulders. Par for the course here.
Basic local foods are a bit cheaper. But everything imported is 150% to 200% more expensive.
Doctors, dentists, etc are much cheaper (but of variable reliability) but branded medicines are 150% to 200% more expensive.
And so on. Very hard to make like for like comparisons, but "ten times" would be a great exaggeration for the DR.
Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua.
What do other guys think?Maybe he meant extranjeros from the US earn 10 times as much?
Mr Enternational
12-30-16, 19:02
Putting your main point to one side, and thinking only of the DR (as you have posted on the Spsua board), I think "ten times" is a great exaggeration. The usual figure bandied about for the DR is "five times", but I have never seen any supporting numbers.
What do other guys think?I think he did not literally mean ten. He was just using it to say that compared to the people there you are seen as having a lot of money. Turgid was spot on. His post needs to be directly under Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac on this website so the third world country playboy thing does not go to people's head.
How many women did Floyd Mayweather have when he was broke and in jail? If you have ever seen Mike Tyson's one man show (Undisputed Truth) he talks about this. No chick gives a damn how Brad Pitt looks, but he is famous and they know he has money. A broke Brad Pitt gets no play. A broke Lil Wayne definitely would get no play. They would be in the hotel room next to ours at New Garden.
The same guys are not going to Sosua. The girls are used like toilet paper. Used and thrown away. It is rare for a guy to repeat with a girl. Girls are conditioned to dash as soon as the guy nuts. I am guilty of hitting run as well but I do repeat if the service is good. I have some age on me now so GFE is very satisfying. I keep in touch with about half dozen girls on whatsap. Having a girl half your age telling you she likes sucking your dick does wonders for an old guy. On my last trip I had to pull her off.
I partially agree, but you cannot let the US off the hook entirely. Guys are always complaining that chicas' attitudes are deteriorating. A lot of that is looking at the past through rose-tinted spectacles, but it is partly true. And the reason would be the increasing Americanization of the country, as more people have been to the US, watch American TV programs and movies and are brainwashed by American materialism and dog-eat-dog philosophy.
Haiti is not so Americanized, which is why the girls' attitude is sweeter, more "traditional" if you like.
It is not just their attitudes but their waistlines which are affected. In the ten years I have been coming here Dominicans have got noticeably fatter. Partly because more of them ride in vehcles instead of walking, and fewer do manual labor on the land, but mainly through buying American style junk food. Here again haitianas have the advantage. A greater proportion of them have to walk, and they cannot afford so much pre-packaged food.
I think he did not literally mean ten. He was just using it to say that compared to the people there you are seen as having a lot of money. Turgid was spot on. His post needs to be directly under Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac on this website so the third world country playboy thing does not go to people's head.
How many women did Floyd Mayweather have when he was broke and in jail? If you have ever seen Mike Tyson's one man show (Undisputed Truth) he talks about this. No chick gives a damn how Brad Pitt looks, but he is famous and they know he has money. A broke Brad Pitt gets no play. A broke Lil Wayne definitely would get no play. They would be in the hotel room next to ours at New Garden.Sex in Sosua is a commodity just like food.
A broke Floyd Mayweather would get no hamburger in MacDonalds either. Pay up or leave. If you don't leave they'll call the cops.
A fact of life!
The Tainos were all but exterminated long before 99.9% of Dominican ancestors arrived in the country. There simply was not time for them to make any appreciable genetic contribution.
By 1514, barely two decades after first contact, an official survey showed that 40 percent of Spanish men had taken Indian wives. The unofficial number is undoubtedly higher.
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It is undoubtedly true that many Taino died from smallpox, measles and other European imported diseases, but it seems likely that quite a few Taino genes survived in the mixed population of ensuing decades, and it is also very like that Tainos communicated syphilis to their benefactors as syphilis first mysteriously appeared I'm Europe in Naples around 1495 triggering a massive continent-wide epidemic in a population that had low resistance--this epidemic lasted hundreds of years in Europe. So those Dominican women have been femmes fatales for quite a long time.
Mr Enternational
12-31-16, 03:45
By 1514, barely two decades after first contact, an official survey showed that 40 percent of Spanish men had taken Indian wives.Took wives or took pussy? "Upon arrival at La Navidad in the second voyage, Columbus found the fort burned to the ground and all 39 of the men he had left behind had been killed. It seems the sailors left behind had "misbehaved" as our history books tell it, but their "misbehaving" was in often in the form of raype of the local women and children and theft of anything they saw that they wanted. "
It is undoubtedly true that many Taino died from smallpox, measles and other European imported diseases
Let's not forget they also died from murder. They were not as willing to work the gold mines of La Vega as one would think. "Columbus vowed to find Caonabo and retaliate. From that point on, life as the Taino knew it ended. Columbus forced all of them over the age of 14 to work in the gold mines searching for gold for the Spaniards. Those who refused were killed. Those who did not make their quota of gold had their hands cut off and were left to bleed to death. Taino women were given to Spaniards to do with whatever they wished. "
Mr. Charles Pooter.
I would have expected from somebody who calls other people's post crap (which probably it is) more facts (the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did), less opinions (the only progressive period was under Haitian rule) and stronger arguments than "We who live in the area have already nailed that lie" (I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in. The reasons they move to another country are usually work, climate, cheap beer, cheep pussy etc. Rather than language, local culture and history. Very seldom they bother to learn the local language). I have always valued your knowledge of DR, but this time you disappointed me.
Charles Pooter
12-31-16, 23:19
I would have expected from somebody who calls other people's post crap (which probably it is) more facts (the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did), less opinions (the only progressive period was under Haitian rule) and stronger arguments than "We who live in the area have already nailed that lie" (I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in. The reasons they move to another country are usually work, climate, cheap beer, cheep pussy etc. Rather than language, local culture and history. Very seldom they bother to learn the local language). I have always valued your knowledge of DR, but this time you disappointed me.Discouraging to embark on a new year bearing the weight of your disapproval, Nordico, but I shall battle bravely on.
1) the Spanish didn't kill most of the Tanos, the diseases did.
I do not see that it makes much difference whether they were murdered by Spanish bullets or swords, or by Spanish diseases.
2) the only progressive period was under Haitian rule.
I am referring only to the beginning of the unification, when the Haitians were invited to rule by the liberal faction in the civil war between Spanish factions. They abolished slavery and broke up large estates to give small-holdings to the ordinary people. I cannot think of any other period in Dominican history when there was such a progressive government. (No doubt the 1965 Bosch government, the first ever democratically elected, would have tried, but they were soon overthrown by the US, which installed a puppet regime). Of course the unified Hispaniolan government was resisted and eventually overthrown by the Spanish former landowners (with foreign help) whose descendants have remained in power ever since and have undermined any attempts at real democracy. History is always written by the winners, so of course they have distorted the truth about Haitian rule to justify their own racist kleptocracy.
3) I don't know a single expat in Dominican Republic, but in general expats don't know much about the country they are living in..
One thing mongers in Sosua (and they are the group we are discussing, not expats in general) do know about is the puta scene in Sosua. And they would laugh (some of us already have) at any claim that haitianas comprise anything like 60% of the putas in Sosua. In First World countries we say, "Do not believe everything you read in the press". In the DR it is more like "Do not believe anything you read in the press".
Happy New Year to all my readers!
Took wives or took pussy? "Upon arrival at La Navidad in the second voyage, Columbus found the fort burned to the ground and all 39 of the men he had left behind had been killed. It seems the sailors left behind had "misbehaved" as our history books tell it, but their "misbehaving" was in often in the form of raype of the local women and children and theft of anything they saw that they wanted. "
Let's not forget they also died from murder. They were not as willing to work the gold mines of La Vega as one would think. "Columbus vowed to find Caonabo and retaliate. From that point on, life as the Taino knew it ended. Columbus forced all of them over the age of 14 to work in the gold mines searching for gold for the Spaniards. Those who refused were killed. Those who did not make their quota of gold had their hands cut off and were left to bleed to death. Taino women were given to Spaniards to do with whatever they wished. "The quotation about 40% of Spanish immigants having taken Taino wives refers to a date 22 years after the first voyage, long after Columbus was dead. Although Columbus discovered a very interesting place that he believed was off the coast of Asia, (and on this third visit passed along the coast of Panama and close to South America, he never knew of the existence of the Pacific or of South America) his sponsors back home were not so impressed and wanted a return on their investment, hence the desperate efforts to go for the gold, which was in short supply in river beds as they had not yet discovered the huge gold deposits of Pueblo Viejo which even with modern technology Barrick Gold is finding hard to expoit profitably. http://www.mining.com/barrick-braces-for-up-to-3-billion-in-writedowns/ Coumbus was in fact arrested, stripped of his title of Governor, and taken back to Spain in chains for his failure to produce the expected riches, though he was subsequently released.
Anyway, the point is, if this information is correct I would think that there would be a higher amount than 3% of Taino DNA floating around in the DR at the present day. One study reported that 15% of Dominicans have Native American mitochondrial DNA that is not found elsewhere, compared to 30% in Cuba, and as many as 60% in Puerto Rico. Of course there will also be a fair number of people in the DR who also share some kind of Puerto Rican ancestry. https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/indigenous-puerto-rico-dna-evidence-upsets-established-history/.
The interesting thing is that these people's DNA shows that they are not descended from male Tainos, supporting the theory that Spaniards "married Tainos". Columbus notoriously said, on encountering the Tainos, that they could be converted to Christianity and made into slaves, so it is likly that these were Christian marriages in some sense. Given the cruel treatment of Tainos, it is easy to forget that Columbus was an extremely religious man who believed he was going about God's work.
Think what you like about Columbus, he was an amazingly good sailor and navigator who had bad info. He estimated the size of the Atlantic Ocean based on information contained in the Bible, a book subsequently shown to be extremely inaccurate. Reading that God created the world in seven parts, six of them dry land and the seventh water, he thought the distance from Portugal to Japan was about 2400 miles, one seventh of the world's circumference, which was way, way off.
Jesus-tap-dancing-christ!
Any trip reports?I tripped on the sidewalk in front of Rumba bar last year when the sidewalk was wet from rain, but since then I have managed to stay upright by having a chica on each arm to support me. I didn't know it was mandatory to file an incident report.
K Constant
01-03-17, 05:17
Word is that a guest at Hotel Sosua Sunrise was the victim of a theft. Apparently, the safe was taken from his room. The broken safe was found on the playa, but missing from it were an iPhone, iPad, and $500. The hotel's night security was implicated in the theft and has been arrested.
10 weeks and I will be a weekend warrior in Sosua. Looking forward to a good trip. Only worry is avoiding the regular chicas who act like they own a piece of you. In 2016 I made 4 trips to Sosua. I got to the point where every step I made I was running to some one who had shared my bed. The weekend brings the fresh girls from all over the island. I was able to book a flight for 510 dollars to POP. Not bad for high season.
The mayor of Sosua blames Black tourists in large numbers coming to Sosua seeking prostitutes as the reason for the decline of Sosua. If you go to 11:16 of this video, and you understand spainish you will here her explanation on the reason for the decline of Sosua as a tourist destination. Now, you know exactly who they want out of Sosua. Again, do not shoot the messenger. I am just giving you the information and how they feel about a certain group coming to Sosua:
https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialE
The date on that video is Aug 5, 2015 in youtube. Old news. It's been over a year. Prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic. The change is in style not substance.
https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialE
Rents are much cheaper, though you have to watch that you are comparing like for like. I live in a sizable ground-floor middle-class Dominican apartment, five minutes form the seafront, which costs me approx US $210 per month. On the other hand, we were partially flooded three times during the recent heavy rainy period and my neighbors just shrugged their shoulders. Par for the course here. Basic local foods are a bit cheaper. But everything imported is 150% to 200% more expensive. Doctors, dentists, etc are much cheaper (but of variable reliability) but branded medicines are 150% to 200% more expensive. And so on. Very hard to make like for like comparisons, but "ten times" would be a great exaggeration for the DR. Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua. What do other guys think?Santo Domingo, Las Vegas and San Diego are my home ports. In Santo Domingo, I have created a lifestyle that cannot be duplicated in either Las Vegas or San Diego for the same money. I cannot make direct comparisons, but the food here is better (at least for me). I have found if you goto the right medical facilities the doctors are on a equal quality level as the US. Oh and the Dominican rum here is much cheaper and of higher quality than in the US.
"DRAM" Says in their song Broccoli: "Ain't no telling' what I'm finna be on (ayy, ayy) I'm beyond all that fuck shit! Hey, Hey little' mama, would you like to be my sunshine?
And that's it for me right there! Sunshine and little' mamas.
ForceSteeler
01-03-17, 15:51
The mayor of Sosua blames Black tourists in large numbers coming to Sosua seeking prostitutes as the reason for the decline of Sosua. If you go to 11:16 of this video, and you understand spainish you will here her explanation on the reason for the decline of Sosua as a tourist destination. Now, you know exactly who they want out of Sosua. Again, do not shoot the messenger. I am just giving you the information and how they feel about a certain group coming to Sosua:
https://youtu.be/a7aiJEoialEI have been coming to Sousa since 2009, and Sousa has never really been a real tourist destination. If so what are the attractions? The Beach? I know most of the tourist go to Punta Cana. Sousa has always been a working girl mongering destination. If they want Sousa to be a tourist attraction, they need to fix the infrastructure and at least build some attractions. There is nothing glamour about Sousa besides the beach of course. Also blaming black American tourist is not the problem. I have seen black tourist in Sousa since I started going in 2009. The Think the mayor needs to embrace the working girl mongering crowd instead of doing crackdowns. The crackdown is the real reason tourism is down in Sousa. I use to go to Sousa like 5 Times a Year, Now you hardly see me in Sousa like that, because of the crackdown and with the crackdown a lot of girls don't come to Sousa, and the quality is way down, only hardcore putas.
Even the pussy is not "ten times" cheaper. Not with guys paying 3000 pesos for short-time in Sosua. What do other guys think?Let me kick some useful information on having sex with women here the Dominican Republic into your eyeholes.
Mr. Pooter everything is relative. Posters on this forums clown me all the time about the money I spend. They take the position that Non-Pros are more expensive than Pros. But when I dispute their assertions they have a collective apoplectic fit. Now I don't live in Sosua. There are others in the critical crew that can provide more insight into this issue.
In Santo Domingo, I have a non-pro that lets me fuck for 2000 pesos a month. Not a typo. She has a job. She is supporting her family yet she has no kids. All she wants is a little money she can spend on herself each month. She's on call for me. She is a three hole ho. She swallows and let's me bust on her face. Tourist economy versus gringo that lives here. You don't have to be in order to have a great time here (Santo Domingo).
Don't hate the player. If you must hate, hate the motherfucking game!
Lakeside32
01-03-17, 17:18
Word is that a guest at Hotel Sosua Sunrise was the victim of a theft. Apparently, the safe was taken from his room. The broken safe was found on the playa, but missing from it were an iPhone, iPad, and $500. The hotel's night security was implicated in the theft and has been arrested.Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.
Quagmire1974
01-04-17, 00:22
Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.Might be a couple of reasons for that. First, February is very much the high season in Sosua. If you didn't get a reply it might be because the hotel doesn't have any vacancy to accommodate your reservation. Second, it's my understanding that Wilfried went through hip replacement surgery relatively recently, so if he's still recuperating, that might be why he missed your e-mail. Per TripAdvisor, there are 34 hotels in Sosua. My vote is for Casa Valeria, as that is where I stayed during my week in Sosua.
As far as the security guard stealing the safe and the contents of it, Sosua is a small place, and word will get around pretty quickly. His name will be Mud and he'll be lucky if he can get a job picking up trash in the streets.
K Constant
01-04-17, 02:33
Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.I recently booked for next weekend and got a prompt response. Maybe send another email.
Let me kick some useful information on having sex with women here the Dominican Republic into your eyeholes.
Mr. Pooter everything is relative. Posters on this forums clown me all the time about the money I spend. They take the position that Non-Pros are more expensive than Pros. But when I dispute their assertions they have a collective apoplectic fit. Now I don't live in Sosua. There are others in the critical crew that can provide more insight into this issue.
In Santo Domingo, I have a non-pro that lets me fuck for 2000 pesos a month. Not a typo. She has a job. She is supporting her family yet she has no kids. All she wants is a little money she can spend on herself each month. She's on call for me. She is a three hole ho. She swallows and let's me bust on her face. Tourist economy versus gringo that lives here. You don't have to be in order to have a great time here (Santo Domingo).
Don't hate the player. If you must hate, hate the motherfucking game!Good shit, what is she out of 10?
When you find that type of value its a fantastic thing.
Lakeside32
01-04-17, 04:09
I checked for vacancies this last weekend and there were a lot, given the New Years I thought they would all be booked. I always used Sosua sunrise looks like it's the frat house this trip (new garden) Sosua is really becoming a shithole town, I'm going to go on a hiatus after this trip.
Charles Pooter
01-04-17, 14:39
Have a trip in February I was trying to get through to Willfried for a rez and never got a reply. I'm guessing this incident somehow is the reason. I'm about a heartbeat away to saying fuck Sosua.Wilfried is back at work. Difficult to believe he would not reply, whether the hotel is full or not.
Is this a case of Lakeside using that bogus email address that was circulating? Could someone kindly post or PM the correct email address for Sosua Sunrise?
That's true, and I agree but one observation.
I have great earning power in both US / European society also, but yet the women are not cooking and cleaning or going above and beyond.
The 9's and 10's in the UK that I do smash (because I take care of them financially), there not cooking and cleaning and doing the domestic duties the way these Latin women were. They still act like there the prize. Its due to the thirst marketplace that USA and UK have created.
But I agree with your point in general. They are all basically the same and it comes down to supply / demand, and financial numbers.Good for you and your earning power but if I were earning 10 times what I do now, I would just bang the 9's and 10's then tell them adios, no cooking and cleaning for me, my helper already does that and probably better than they would. Many punters disagree and state that they would still punt abroad; however, I have always had great sessions in the States, the problem has always been the price. My experience is that only Brazilian garotas and possibly Salvadorean chicas give me better service than American hookers (the Latina hookers give similar service to their country of origin as do the Koreans). With regards to law enforcement, I stopped doing street walkers years ago and so far I have had no problem with my arrangement re escorts. In the States I can't afford to session every day, in LA and Asia, I can.
Hello everyone,
This is my first report, I have been following this forum for a long time but never posted because its difficult for me to get alone time to do it. I will start by introducing myself, I have been mongering my entire life. I am now in my 40's and I have mongered all over the you. S and Brazil only. Last June I decided to check out the DR. I have been many times to Punta Cana, la Romana, and Puerto Plata doing the family thing but decided to go solo and have some fun. Well, I was on Badoo and met this Haitian girl, 21 yo turning 22 with a 3 yo son. She lives home with mom and believe it or not she is neither a pro or non pro. I chatted with her on whatsapp for quit some time, she appeared to only work and stay home. I would ask her what she was doing and she would say I'm home. I would ask her to send me a pic and yes she was home. Anyhow, take that for what its worth. So I decided to come to PP and meet her. What makes this story more interesting is my family situation and what it took to pull this off. But unfortunately I will not explain. I would like to but I can't, so lets move on. I bought non stop ticket from * to PP for $367 RT. I booked 3 different hotels because I wanted to bounce around. So, I landed in PP at around noon, picked up my rental car. Now here is where things get fucked. The airport in PP didn't have SIM cards, no claro or orange store, (shit). I need this to use my phone for GPS map and contact my friend. So the counter person at car rental place said to me where the orange store was but I had no idea what she was talking about as I don't speak any Spanish at all. Haha yes no Spanish. So now I'm in the car sitting at airport with no idea where to go, so I follow sign for PP and stop 6 times to ask people where orange was. It was crazy and stressful but finally I made it and got my sim card. Total cost was probably like 30 dollars which I used my phone for 8 days without problem. Now I head towards my PP address. This is also where things get fucked up. This girl gave me the worst directions and address. For a minute I thought maybe she was retarded, but anyway I ended up on a dirt road almost wrecking the underneath of my car. The road comes to a dead end and I'm just sitting there trying to call her. Then this guy comes out of his house and knocks on my window, I show him picture of girl and says yes ill take you. He jumps on his motorcycle and I follow. Well not far I find her and I give him 100 pesos for the help. Actually he asked for it haha. The funny part is that this guy was the brother of her sons father if you can follow that. Strange, small world. Anyway, I find her and load her up with mother and son and we head to Confresi for 2 nights. Yeah I know, why the fuck would I do that? I asked myself the same question but I'm into different things and like to get to know different cultures and people. Anyhow, to each ones own. Well it was a stressful situation, you know, I'm in my 40's she is 22 now and mother is judging me big time. But after 2 days all is well. Confresi was nice, nice pool and rooms. We had adjoining rooms with the mother and son so plowing down was difficult. We went to a couple shows and the casino, I got pulled over by the cops for DUI and had weed in my pocket but paid my way out. That's another story. I also got in trouble when I stole a golf cart and tried to leave the complex and go to casino, I was wrecked and the security stopped me at the gate and said this cart isn't yours, haha, I said it was a friends and he said no its not. He tried to charge me 200 dollars but I said fuck off, that I thought it came with the room but I knew it didn't, he let me go, the next day I bought smoke from him, haha, so now I bring the mother and son back to home and we had a BBQ with all the family, of course I had to buy the food and drink but it was good and fun. We now head to our next destination which was like a 3 hour drive. We went to Rio San Juan "grand Bahia principal". There I met up with a friend and his girl. He is a pilot for a major airline and flew into SD and drove to rio San Juan to meet me. This is where the fun was. Lots of drinking, eating, swimming and fucking like retards. As soon as we got to our room in the shower we go. This girls body is insane. Small tits but the rest is tight. She is skinny but has awesome curves and a perfect pussy. She is a amateur at sex but I schooled her. Haha we did just about everything you would do with your longtime girlfriend except BB sex. I always use condom with sex, always. I tested her and asked to go bare, she said no. Good girl. Now we go and meet my friend and his girl, we chill and drink and swim. This hotel has the best beach, the sand in the water is soft like cotton, just perfect, food was decent and so was the entertainment. I would repeat for sure. Its a great hideout spot. Far away from everything. BTW I think you can hammer the maids there, I was talking with a maid that spoke some English and I know she would plow down in my room. Anyway, we leave this stop and I say goodbye to my friend and head to the next stop. We arrive at Bluebay resort back in PP again for 2 nights. I didn't care much for this resort even though I had a great time drinking in the pool with strangers, I met lots of people from all over the world, It really was a great time. They have a pool that stays open till 11 pm which I liked a lot as I love the water. And they had a beach bar That was open 24 hours. I drank a lot here and went to the casino a couple times and did pretty well. I taught my friend how to play blackjack. I gave her the winnings, about 200 dollars. The rooms here are like porno rooms, neon lights around the bed and shit like that. Haha. She did jack me off in the pool so if you go don't go in the pool, hahaha. Yes, I'm a slob. Well now I bring her home early in the morning because I wanted to swing through Sosua before the hit the airport. I dropped her off at home and I had to deal with her crying and all that shit but I was trying to bolt fast. Now I'm pulling into Sosua with no idea where to go in the morning for a coffee. Well I find a place with a seat on the sidewalk kind of situation. I'm drinking my coffee and then this girl walks by carrying a bad like with food for lunch or breakfast. She smiled and I offer her a coffee, She says yes and sits with me. Now remember I don't speak Spanish so its difficult to deal with this shit. Well between my translator on the phone and a guy helping me it worked out. She grabs my phone and says to come to her place for fuck. I say that I don't have much time because of my flight. She says it won't take long and her place is close, haha I say now much for half hour hard fuck? She says 3000 peso, I laugh and say 1000 and 500 more if she is good. She excepts with a smile. We jump in my car and drive for 2 minutes or so and go into her place, small place with another girl there. We head into the bedroom and this girl is a performer. DFK BBJ and I hit the toto hard, real hard. I was getting ready to blow so I pulled bag off and grabbed her by the hair and nut down the throat. I gave her 1500 peso. What a way to finish my trip. Off to the airport I go. I return my rental car and they said there were scratches so they wanted to charge me. I pulled my phone out and showed them the video I took in the airport of the entire car. I said fuck off, the scratches were there and they said no problem, haha fuck them. Now I'm going back to Sosua in March, I can't wait. If anyone is around let me know. I'm trying to decide to wife up with new badoo girls in PP or just stay in Sosua for the entire trip. My pilot friend says to just stay in Sosua and hammer down because there will be many guys doing the same that I can chat with and maybe get a wingman. We will see.
K Constant
01-04-17, 20:37
Wilfried is back at work. Difficult to believe he would not reply, whether the hotel is full or not.
Is this a case of Lakeside using that bogus email address that was circulating? Could someone kindly post or PM the correct email address for Sosua Sunrise?Charles Pooter is correct. When I was in Sosua in August, Wilfried was once again greeting his patrons personally at meals. This was after his surgery. The contact information listed at: http://www.hotelsosuasunrise.com/contact is accurate.
Member #2041
01-04-17, 20:52
Good for you and your earning power but if I were earning 10 times what I do now, I would just bang the 9's and 10's then tell them adios, no cooking and cleaning for me, my helper already does that and probably better than they would. Many punters disagree and state that they would still punt abroad; however, I have always had great sessions in the States, the problem has always been the price. My experience is that only Brazilian garotas and possibly Salvadorean chicas give me better service than American hookers (the Latina hookers give similar service to their country of origin as do the Koreans). With regards to law enforcement, I stopped doing street walkers years ago and so far I have had no problem with my arrangement re escorts. In the States I can't afford to session every day, in LA and Asia, I can.Other than the cost, my biggest issue with mongering in the states, is the LACK of a language barrier. Or even the ability to pretend that there's one. If I see a hot American babe, I want to fuck her, but I surely don't want to have to talk to her, or even worse, listen to her.
GringoItaliano
01-05-17, 01:25
I will soon be in Sosua for my second trip and have been reading up on recent trip reports here and elsewhere online to learn how the town has changed in the wake of the crackdown, which occurred after my first trip last tear. The biggest change for me will be the evidently indefinite closure of Rumba, where I spent most of my mongering time, pulled most of my chicas, and found all of my best chicas. Among other factors, I like start my mongering shortly after dinner, at say 6 or 7 pm, and I usually try to avoid pulling chicas too late at night. The peak hours at Rumba (from 6 or 7 pm to 11 pm or so) suited me perfectly. I did not fare as well at Classico late at night or on the beach during the day, and I did not hit the after-hours casino scene at all.
My reading of trip reports from the past six months has left me with the impression that there is no one venue that has filled the gap that the closure of Rumba has created, and that the action has spread from there to a variety of smaller venues along the Sosua strip. It nonetheless sounds like Bourbon Street may have captured the largest single share of the action that used to be at Rumba in the evening and earlier at night, before Classico gets busy.
Would you agree or disagree? Other than Bourbon Street, are there any other specif venues on the Sosua strip that you would recommend for evening or early, pre-Classico nighttime action?
My recollection of Bourbon Street from my last trip was that it was more like somewhere that you would go primarily in order to eat, rather than hang out and look for chicas. I had one dinner there, and it was quite good. I tried the cigar lounge in back, where an Italian guy sold locally made cigars from a factory down by the beach (not bad, but Cafe Cubano was better). There were usually a few chicas hanging out at the bar, but it did not strike me as much of a pick-up venue at the time.
However I am scared of you. You had big fun time but you were on the edge many times. Somebody was looking out for you cause you broke all my rules and got away with it. Drinking and driving being caught with weed renting a car are all on my no no list. You put yourself in a position to be extorted. The DR is full of folk who will take you down if given the chance. I am glad you survived it but please reflect and learn. Don' push your luck. I would recommend wild out in Sosua over wifing up. Maybe hit your girl to start your trip and finish in Sosua.
Hello everyone,
This is my first report, I have been following this forum for a long time but never posted because its difficult for me to get alone time to do it. I will start by introducing myself, I have been mongering my entire life. I am now in my 40's and I have mongered all over the you. S and Brazil only. Last June I decided to check out the DR. I have been many times to Punta Cana, la Romana, and Puerto Plata doing the family thing but decided to go solo and have some fun. Well, I was on Badoo and met this Haitian girl, 21 yo turning 22 with a 3 yo son. She lives home with mom and believe it or not she is neither a pro or non pro. I chatted with her on whatsapp for quit some time, she appeared to only work and stay home. I would ask her what she was doing and she would say I'm home. I would ask her to send me a pic and yes she was home. Anyhow, take that for what its worth. So I decided to come to PP and meet her. What makes this story more interesting is my family situation and what it took to pull this off. But unfortunately I will not explain. I would like to but I can't, so lets move on. I bought non stop ticket from * to PP for $367 RT. I booked 3 different hotels because I wanted to bounce around. So, I landed in PP at around noon, picked up my rental car. Now here is where things get fucked. The airport in PP didn't have SIM cards, no claro or orange store, (shit). I need this to use my phone for GPS map and contact my friend. So the counter person at car rental place said to me where the orange store was but I had no idea what she was talking about as I don't speak any Spanish at all. Haha yes no Spanish..I'm not sure you'll get many volunteers.
Younger guys like unpredictable adventure and the challenge of surviving it all, but older guys like to plan ahead and generally know how it will all go down. You were lucky, as drinkers often are, but you got a break because you were new and kept moving. A rolling stone gathers no moss. But repeated behavior like that, and heavy drinking and weed off the reservation will get you targeted and eventually in trouble. DR is obviously a little more forgiving of raw behavior than say Europe or NA. , which is one of it's attractions.
But we all roll different ways, and it's your dime. Not being judgmental here, but you posted your experience here for a reason. Thanks for sharing.
(I too once was young. I lost my passport in Paris, and drank my way to the U.K. And then to Canada, just by showing up at the airports for my flight, as if I fully expected to get what I'd paid for. But that was then!
Yes, you guys are right. I know I did things that were on the no no list. I know this, and believe me I won't be doing that again. I don't drink much here in the states so when I go away I hammer down. I do keep my composure when I'm drinking but I do make some bad choices once in a while. This is why I wish my wingman was there for the entire trip to say, "hey man, maybe that's not a good idea". Hahaha.
I do like to set a plan which I will for my next trip. As Oldkool suggested, I think I will fly into PP and taxi to Sosua and hammer down. I need a calm and cool vacation as I'm shot because of to much work and stressful times. But, this hottie in Santiago is temping me to fly into STI, hammer down for two days, then rent a car and drive to Sosua then fly out of PP. I'm not sure if I want to stress myself out like this. I think in the end I will do the easy. I really hope to meet you guys in Sosua. I would like the run down about the area from a couple of pro's. The only thing I know about Sosua is from reading here.
Charles Pooter
01-05-17, 15:03
Now I'm going back to Sosua in March, I can't wait. Please PM me your dates with a photo. So I can make sure I avoid you like the plague. I don't want to be near you when the shit hits the fan.
Oh, and another thing. Do not fuck any of my Pto Pta haitianas bareback.
No offence. Have a great time and thanks for an amusing report.
Please PM me your dates with a photo. So I can make sure I avoid you like the plague. I don't want to be near you when the shit hits the fan.
Oh, and another thing. Do not fuck any of my Pto Pta haitianas bareback.
No offence. Have a great time and thanks for an amusing report.Come on now, we clearly got off on the wrong foot haha. I am really a very laid back person. Really! Just kind of lost my mind on that last trip. Like I said, never happen again. I know when I get lucky. Bareback? Like I said, never!
That's my problem, sometimes I say to much.
I hit the toto hard, real hard. Ouch! However at least you learned one Spanish word on your trip.
I was getting ready to blow so I pulled bag off and grabbed her by the hair and nut down the throat.Well, you got away with it, but this kind of thing could get you into trouble these days if there was no agreement and consent. And human bites often turn septic and are hard to heal.
However thanks for the report, those on this board who love to see new trip reports will be positively coming in their pants and you certainly present a new perspective.
Please PM me your dates with a photo. So I can make sure I avoid you like the plague. I don't want to be near you when the shit hits the fan.
Oh, and another thing. Do not fuck any of my Pto Pta haitianas bareback.
No offence. Have a great time and thanks for an amusing report.He said he always uses a condom, always, (except when orally [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125), apparently). He says that he tested a girl by asking if she would do it without a condom. Presumably had she said yes, he would then have sent her home unfucked. However when people are heavily under the influence of alcohol and marijuana, it is possible that the normally conservative decision making process would be impaired or rendered more impulsive. Just sayin'.
No need to rent a car in Sosua. You can walk the whole town in 15 minutes. 100's of girls in a 2 block area. Just pick a in town hotel and walk where you need to go very easy to navigate.
Sosua Sunrise is a good choice. The place comes with good breakfast and dinner $70 a night. You can go balls to the wall and be pretty secure. Having fun and being safe is not a contradiction.
Yes, you guys are right. I know I did things that were on the no no list. I know this, and believe me I won't be doing that again. I don't drink much here in the states so when I go away I hammer down. I do keep my composure when I'm drinking but I do make some bad choices once in a while. This is why I wish my wingman was there for the entire trip to say, "hey man, maybe that's not a good idea". Hahaha.
I do like to set a plan which I will for my next trip. As Oldkool suggested, I think I will fly into PP and taxi to Sosua and hammer down. I need a calm and cool vacation as I'm shot because of to much work and stressful times. But, this hottie in Santiago is temping me to fly into STI, hammer down for two days, then rent a car and drive to Sosua then fly out of PP. I'm not sure if I want to stress myself out like this. I think in the end I will do the easy. I really hope to meet you guys in Sosua. I would like the run down about the area from a couple of pro's. The only thing I know about Sosua is from reading here.
Charles Pooter
01-05-17, 18:28
That's my problem, sometimes I say too much.Many here think I write too much!
Charles Pooter
01-05-17, 18:36
... at least you learned one Spanish word on your trip.He also learned not to trust the locals for directions. 90% don't have a clue about street names or points of the compass and 90% of the few that do are incapable of explaining articulately. But ask for the green house next to the retired cobbler's whose son once won the lottery in Cincinnati and everyone within three miles will know it.
He also learned not to trust the locals for directions. 90% don't have a clue about street names or points of the compass and 90% of the few that do are incapable of explaining articulately. But ask for the green house next to the retired cobbler's whose son once won the lottery in Cincinnati and everyone within three miles will know it.When things got situated and calm I asked this girl if she lived in PP or not. Because the direction were absolutely incorrect. I even sent a screen shot of a map of her neighborhood and she didn't know where she lived on the map. I wish I could buy the guy a beer who spoke some English and gave me good directions to the orange store. Hats off to him.
Tempoecorto
01-06-17, 02:32
But ask for the green house next to the retired cobbler's whose son once won the lottery in Cincinnati and everyone within three miles will know it.Wasn't it that way all over the world not too long back? I still cannot remember the names of the fucking streets and lanes that keep coming up in my town and at times, even the GPS does not have the latest update and you are fucked a second time over as there is no one on the street to ask. Any day, a man or better, are a woman, to ask for directions. Who knows where you may wind up!
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