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Mr Enternational
01-06-17, 12:41
When things got situated and calm I asked this girl if she lived in PP or not. Because the direction were absolutely incorrect. I even sent a screen shot of a map of her neighborhood and she didn't know where she lived on the map.That is not bad because the majority of people can not read a map. I tell you what is bad. Once I was in Santiago and going to drop a girl home. She had no idea how to get to her house. She had no idea of what vivinity it was even in. I finally dropped her at a taxi stand.
Any advice? Should I rent a car to get to Sosua? What is the cost of the average girl? It was a lot in Punta Cana! How safe is it? What should I watch out for? Any wingmen available LOL? I speak some Spanish, and am traveled. How long is enough time in Sosua?
Thanks.
That is not bad because the majority of people can not read a map. I tell you what is bad. Once I was in Santiago and going to drop a girl home. She had no idea how to get to her house. She had no idea of what vivinity it was even in. I finally dropped her at a taxi stand.Funny story! This girls first directions were not even close, The area she described was in Santiago not PP. Its the only place in the world where the sun sets in the east. LOL.
Any advice? Should I rent a car to get to Sosua? What is the cost of the average girl? It was a lot in Punta Cana! How safe is it? What should I watch out for? Any wingmen available LOL? I speak some Spanish, and am traveled. How long is enough time in Sosua?
Thanks.Take Caribe Tours bus to Sosua.
Less than $100.
Safe. Don't flash your money around.
Sosua is not an all inclusive.
Some Spanish is good. You will be OK.
That depends on you.
You should have a good time.
The bus to Sosua cost less then 5 dollars and is decent, Short term for girls is 1500 to 2000 pesos about 35 dollars. It is very small and very safe as long as you do not do anything stupid. The place is full of guys like you having a great time. Food, women, clubs and the beach. It is a dream come true. It is not complicated. The girls will come to you. Point and clic all day.
Any advice? Should I rent a car to get to Sosua? What is the cost of the average girl? It was a lot in Punta Cana! How safe is it? What should I watch out for? Any wingmen available LOL? I speak some Spanish, and am traveled. How long is enough time in Sosua?
Thanks.
Any advice? Should I rent a car to get to Sosua? What is the cost of the average girl? It was a lot in Punta Cana! How safe is it? What should I watch out for? Any wingmen available LOL? I speak some Spanish, and am traveled. How long is enough time in Sosua?
Thanks.I did Uber from Santiago to Sosua. It cost me around 45 $ US. Uber could have changed their rules. Bring up the App and enter Sosua as destination, if it accepts and doesn't say something like out of zone, it could work. Still the driver can refuse, as Uber is not available in Sosua and driver would have to return empty. My driver raised his eyebrows when I said Sosua and wasnt sure if he wanted to. But then he made a call to a friend or his boss (as you know in these countries owner and driver of the vehicle may not the same, driver works for owner) and agreed to go.
Advantages of uber over taxi, half the cost, much nicer cars. When you compare taxi / uber to the bus, its less than half the time (I got there under 2 hrs) and its door to door. You may have to wait a little (10 minutes or so) for Uber to get to you depending on where you are in Santiago.
My friend has been there for a week. He's telling me that City Lights has just took over as the new spot to go to. I'm assuming he means the new Rumba. I'll be there this week but I was just inquiring.
Anyone in Sosua or Santiago the week of the 1/20/16-1/27/16? My first time in Sosua and would enjoy a wingman. I do speak some Spanish, and am not new to the scene. Thanks for the help.
On my last trip in November I was taken to City Lights by a nice chica. There were very few people there but there were at least 10 young chicas in uniforms just standing around. The place has a lot going for it with space and size. I think when used it could be a great option. Let us now how things are when you get there.
My friend has been there for a week. He's telling me that City Lights has just took over as the new spot to go to. I'm assuming he means the new Rumba. I'll be there this week but I was just inquiring.
On my last trip in November I was taken to City Lights by a nice chica. There were very few people there but there were at least 10 young chicas in uniforms just standing around. The place has a lot going for it with space and size. I think when used it could be a great option. Let us now how things are when you get there.I was there last month and it was crowded. Yet it didn't seem like the Rumba crowd.
I'm in Sosua now at Hotel Sosua Sunrise if any member want to join up for a beer and chase pussy. PM me if you'd like.
Rus501.
Anyone in Sosua or Santiago the week of the 1/20/16-1/27/16? My first time in Sosua and would enjoy a wingman. I do speak some Spanish, and am not new to the scene. Thanks for the help.I'm in town the 19th till 22nd going solo about my 7th trip.
Charles Pooter
01-09-17, 01:57
I'm in Sosua now at Hotel Sosua Sunrise if any member want to join up for a beer and chase pussy.In Sosua the pussy will chase you. Your problem is not trapping pussy but being careful who traps you. In your first post you stated your negotiating skills are weak. I hope you have sharpened up in the years since.
Enjoy your stay!
I have a buddy on the ground. It is his 1st time going solo. He will hit me up on whatsap. I will give you guys a 2nd hand on the ground report. He had a friend who was suppose to go with him. The guy came to the meeting point late and my buddy rolled out. I have also traveled with the guy who was late and refuse to ever again. If you read my post of black Gomer Pyle this is the guy. I like the lone wolf approach.
Chris Bigdog
01-10-17, 18:06
I typically have a girl on retainer in New York City (pay her weekly / monthly whether so see her or not) but monger abroad too.
It's just fun!
Will be in Sosua this weekend and the bc of the last minute plans, my cost for pussy will be of pretty high - $900 airfar 3 nights at $50 per night for hotel. But I have friends that I like to see, enjoy the laid back vibe for a day or two here and there.
As far as American women, I pass. Marry one maybe but if you want a girl on the side as I have chosen to have, then no thanks.
My last two girls in NYC have been Jamaican girls. Both love to fuck, I can't keep up with them and current girl had a great meal ready for me after I finish hitting it. This past week it was curry goat. Exceptional!! 😊.
That's true, and I agree but one observation.
I have great earning power in both US / European society also, but yet the women are not cooking and cleaning or going above and beyond.
The 9's and 10's in the UK that I do smash (because I take care of them financially), there not cooking and cleaning and doing the domestic duties the way these Latin women were. They still act like there the prize. Its due to the thirst marketplace that USA and UK have created.
But I agree with your point in general. They are all basically the same and it comes down to supply / demand, and financial numbers.
I typically have a girl on retainer in New York City (pay her weekly / monthly whether so see her or not) but monger abroad too.
It's just fun!
Will be in Sosua this weekend and the bc of the last minute plans, my cost for pussy will be of pretty high - $900 airfar 3 nights at $50 per night for hotel. But I have friends that I like to see, enjoy the laid back vibe for a day or two here and there.
As far as American women, I pass. Marry one maybe but if you want a girl on the side as I have chosen to have, then no thanks.
My last two girls in NYC have been Jamaican girls. Both love to fuck, I can't keep up with them and current girl had a great meal ready for me after I finish hitting it. This past week it was curry goat. Exceptional!! 😊.How about her phone number? (the one that likes to cook!) :)
Enjoy!
Chris Bigdog
01-10-17, 23:34
Taking her to Jamaica in a couple of weeks too!
QUOTE=Oakie;1984673]How about her phone number? (the one that likes to cook!) .
Enjoy!
My buddy is on the ground. Seems it has not stopped raining since Sunday. He has found a home at City Lights with many pretty Haitian girls are rocking his world.
My buddy is on the ground. Seems it has not stopped raining since Sunday. He has found a home at City Lights with many pretty Haitian girls are rocking his world.Ty Kool I was wondering was there a big Festival going on I don't know about. Try to book Europa online for the first time and I'm getting a price of $83 and night. I pay 40 when I just show up. Is showing a lot of other places book.
Ty Kool I was wondering was there a big Festival going on I don't know about. Try to book Europa online for the first time and I'm getting a price of $83 and night. I pay 40 when I just show up. Is showing a lot of other places book.Nah, can't be!
They told us that Sosua was finished and all the smart money had moved on to "the next level".
BP most likely stands for BackPage.com the name of a US classified advertising Web site that is owned my the same company as the Village Voice. They appear to get about 99% of their income from advertising placed by prostitutes and there has been some controversy about the site being used to pimp girls who are younger than they ought to be, not that there is any legal age for prostitution in the US anyway.
The owners of the site have recently had some legal problems and I would not be surprised if the site eventually comes down.
And down it came (see link below). From the same source that predicted the closure of Passions and CMP contrary to the published word of 'experts' like Cuba Dave, ISG members had 2 weeks advance notice of the demise of Back Page escorts.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/09/backpage-shutters-u-s-escort-ads-after-senate-report/
Can't go into a lot of the details in case of encroaching onto the turf of forbidden words and topics, but apparently Back Page had won previous court decisions that say the law does not hold Web site operators liable for illegal content posted by others, but this time it is alleged that Back Page used a computer program to weed out naughty words like the title of a famous Nabokov novel so as to make it possible to post ads for illegal paid sexual activities in coded language. Of course all paid sex is illegal in the US anyway, except certain brothels in Nevada, but that does not need to get in the way of a good sensational political story about pimping and trafficking. Now businessmen in the US will not know where to go for a 'body rub' after work.
I like you pay 40 a night. It is my go to place in Sosua. I have only been turned away one time at Europa when just showing up. I understand Bourbon Street did not have the crowds that were there in the summer.
Ty Kool I was wondering was there a big Festival going on I don't know about. Try to book Europa online for the first time and I'm getting a price of $83 and night. I pay 40 when I just show up. Is showing a lot of other places book.
I like you pay 40 a night. It is my go to place in Sosua. I have only been turned away one time at Europa when just showing up. I understand Bourbon Street did not have the crowds that were there in the summer.They are always going to be asking for more for online bookings due to commissions having to be paid, etc. , but if you are there and there are rooms available, obviously you are going to get a better rate, because if you walk there are plenty of other places to choose from, and with a walk up, it is cash in the hand with no VISA fees or possibility of cancellation.
Mr Enternational
01-11-17, 18:02
And down it came (see link below). From the same source that predicted the closure of Passions and CMP contrary to the published word of 'experts' like Cuba Dave, ISG members had 2 weeks advance notice of the demise of Back Page escorts.
Now businessmen in the US will not know where to go for a 'body rub' after work.Incorrect once again Frannie. Where are you getting this stuff from? They just moved those ads to another section!
Incorrect once again Frannie. Where are you getting this stuff from? They just moved those ads to another section!I refer you to this. I don't know if you are able to see the ads from outside the US, but they are not visible here in the US. You can also click the link to the press releases. Also, if they were moved to another section can you provide a link, or just say what section they are in?
http://orlando.backpage.com/classifieds/Censored?category=4443
Mr Enternational
01-11-17, 21:17
I refer you to this. I don't know if you are able to see the ads from outside the US, but they are not visible here in the US. You can also click the link to the press releases. Also, if they were moved to another section can you provide a link, or just say what section they are in?
http://orlando.backpage.com/classifieds/Censored?category=4443Stay off of Google man. I do not want to say which section. Maybe you are the one informing the fuzz.
Coming down to Sousa on January 19 - 26. I've been to Sousa back in 2010 for a couple days but I am sure a lot has changed. I am mid 30's, not a rookie at mongering but not a vet by any means. I am just wondering if anyone has a suggest on where to stay. I looked at the Mary Rose Condos (Through Rockys site) and also the Sousa Sunrise (formerly Casa?) I am not on a tight budget but I am not looking to make it rain either. I would prefer not to be right in ground zero but I am not against either. I have read Mary Rose is a good walk or a moto ride into the action. Being solo wasn't sure if that was going to be a big pain in the ass or not. So I guess my question is where would be better stay? Trying to keep it under $70-75 a night. Also if anyone else a little more seasoned is there the same time I would be down for a beer. I'm buying!
Thanks in advance and sorry if I asked this in the wrong section.
Stay off of Google man. I do not want to say which section. Maybe you are the one informing the fuzz.Well, sure they can post them in the Women Seeking Men personals, or whatever, like they did with Craigslist, but I wonder how long that is going to last. Don't worry, I won't tell the fuzz.
Coming down to Sousa on January 19 - 26. I've been to Sousa back in 2010 for a couple days but I am sure a lot has changed. I am mid 30's, not a rookie at mongering but not a vet by any means. I am just wondering if anyone has a suggest on where to stay. I looked at the Mary Rose Condos (Through Rockys site) and also the Sousa Sunrise (formerly Casa?) I am not on a tight budget but I am not looking to make it rain either. I would prefer not to be right in ground zero but I am not against either. I have read Mary Rose is a good walk or a moto ride into the action. Being solo wasn't sure if that was going to be a big pain in the ass or not. So I guess my question is where would be better stay? Trying to keep it under $70-75 a night. Also if anyone else a little more seasoned is there the same time I would be down for a beer. I'm buying!
Thanks in advance and sorry if I asked this in the wrong section.Bro,
Stay at New Garden, Rocky's, AirBnB or call it a day. Any of those options will keep you well below your budget.
Coming down to Sousa on January 19 - 26. I've been to Sousa back in 2010 for a couple days but I am sure a lot has changed. I am mid 30's, not a rookie at mongering but not a vet by any means. I am just wondering if anyone has a suggest on where to stay. I looked at the Mary Rose Condos (Through Rockys site) and also the Sousa Sunrise (formerly Casa?) I am not on a tight budget but I am not looking to make it rain either. I would prefer not to be right in ground zero but I am not against either. I have read Mary Rose is a good walk or a moto ride into the action. Being solo wasn't sure if that was going to be a big pain in the ass or not. So I guess my question is where would be better stay? Trying to keep it under $70-75 a night. Also if anyone else a little more seasoned is there the same time I would be down for a beer. I'm buying!
Thanks in advance and sorry if I asked this in the wrong section.Been a couple years for me but the last time I went to Sosua I stayed at Mary Rose Apartments and really liked it. It is either a bit of a walk or short moto ride to town, but the place was well kept and nice and quiet at night. Totally guest friendly. HOWEVER, the guy who ran it is now in jail in Canada and he was a really good guy and very involved in keeping the place up. Think his Dominican wife is running it now and so not sure how that affected it, if at all.
Mary Rose is nice but it is to far from the action. It is very inconvient getting back and forward.
Been a couple years for me but the last time I went to Sosua I stayed at Mary Rose Apartments and really liked it. It is either a bit of a walk or short moto ride to town, but the place was well kept and nice and quiet at night. Totally guest friendly. HOWEVER, the guy who ran it is now in jail in Canada and he was a really good guy and very involved in keeping the place up. Think his Dominican wife is running it now and so not sure how that affected it, if at all.
Mary Rose is nice but it is to far from the action. It is very inconvient getting back and forward.It's that time of year again.
For the casual visitor without a lot of patience to dig through the forum, here are the most often recommended, chica friendly hotels convenient to the action, in order of cost:
Europa $40+.
Rocky's $50+.
New Garden $60+.
Sosua Sunrise $70+.
Terra Linda $80+.
(Add your own or update the costs as you will)
It's that time of year again.
For the casual visitor without a lot of patience to dig through the forum, here are the most often recommended, chica friendly hotels convenient to the action, in order of cost:
Europa $40+.
Rocky's $50+.
New Garden $60+.
Sosua Sunrise $70+.
Terra Linda $80+.
(Add your own or update the costs as you will)Ahhhh how sweet of you Oakie thanks bud! In fact I have lots of patience and have read these, as well as, numerous forums for a years. I asked simply because I'm not terribly familiar with Sosua and rather then read through pages and pages of back and forth between a few regulars its not the easiest to find the info or a straight answer. Anyways I thought a little recent first hand knowledge would be better then reading a posts / reviews from 2014. I was also just looking for a little more info on what would be the best spot without being right in the action (not all of us like to be hounded 24/7). I am able to walk and don't mind it as long as its not 10 miles one way. Reading some posts and reviews some guys make it out like its right next door and others make it out like its a major pain in the ass so was just trying to figure it out. Anyways sorry for asking such a silly question I will go back into the archives and try to figure it out on my own. Thanks Zip and Rodeo, I did look at NG but was booked for the dates I am there.
Ahhhh how sweet of you Oakie thanks bud! In fact I have lots of patience and have read these, as well as, numerous forums for a years. I asked simply because I'm not terribly familiar with Sosua and rather then read through pages and pages of back and forth between a few regulars its not the easiest to find the info or a straight answer. Anyways I thought a little recent first hand knowledge would be better then reading a posts / reviews from 2014. I was also just looking for a little more info on what would be the best spot without being right in the action (not all of us like to be hounded 24/7). I am able to walk and don't mind it as long as its not 10 miles one way. Reading some posts and reviews some guys make it out like its right next door and others make it out like its a major pain in the ass so was just trying to figure it out. Anyways sorry for asking such a silly question I will go back into the archives and try to figure it out on my own. Thanks Zip and Rodeo, I did look at NG but was booked for the dates I am there.We're here to help.
If you dig, you'll probably come up with this same list. There's only one main drag, and these are the most popular hotels within a 5 minute walk.
Mary Rose is nice but it is to far from the action. It is very inconvient getting back and forward.Have you personally stayed there and found it inconvenient to go back and forth? It is about 15-20 minutes walk from the main area of prostitution bars, or about 3 minutes on a motoconcho, but there are some convenience stores that are closer, and when the weather is really hot, that walk can be tiring. Different people have different tolerances for walking. For example some people are obese and cannot walk well. There are no hills on the walk to Mary Rose, it is all on the flat, and there is partial shade from trees and walls, and you can use a moto at any time if it is too much. Guys just have to make up their own mind whether the walk is tolerable or not. In the hottest part of the year even the shorter walk to Hotel Europa may be too much for some people and they may prefer to use motos.
Charles Pooter
01-12-17, 19:31
Europa $40+.
Rocky's $50+.
New Garden $60+.
Sosua Sunrise $70+. (includes decent dinner)
Terra Linda $80+.
(Add your own or update the costs as you will)Great list, Oakie.
Las Palmeras (formerly Don Antonio but same manager) is popular with many experienced Sosua mongers. US $40 to US $50 per night.
Decent restaurant with Boston owner / chef.
Near the action but that means moto noise and music until 2 pm. No problem if you will be out yourself until then.
Basic but fair value at that price. Only complaint is poor wifi in the rooms.
Charles Pooter
01-12-17, 19:34
... the guy who ran it is now in jail in Canada and he was a really good guy.Shocked to learn they put good guys in jail in Canada!
Thanks Charles I will look in to that place. Wifi is not a huge deal breaker, I can find it if I need it and can always get a SIM if need be. It's just been 7 years since I was last in Sosua and can't remember the lay out that well but if memory serves me correct its all within a few blocks. I just was curious how painful this walk some guys claim is. I do Vegas once a year and walk the strip all day so its not like I can't handle heat and a little exercise. Convenience is another thing but I prefer to have a little are&are too so not having to listen to the bass and motos all day is worth a little distance to me. I do AirBNB quite a bit but most of those places either state "no sex workers" and others have not replied to my inquiry. All in all I am not against landing in POP without having a place to stay as I know its not hard to find one just preferred to have something set up before I land. Again thanks guys for the advice it is much appreciated.
Hey guys!
Got another question or more like I need some advice. I got an email from NG and they had a cancellation so I am booked in but only during the week. So for the weekend I have decided after I land to go check out BB. Now my question is what is the best way to get from POP airport to Costmabar? I see on BB they will pick you up for $45 US. That seems a little gringo. Is there a cheaper alternative to get to BB from the airport? I land at 5 pm. I guess from BB to Sosua I will just jump on the bus or maybe see if others are headed that way and share a ride. Anyways if someone can maybe help me figure out how to get to BB that would be awesome if not I guess I will just bite the bullet and pay for a shuttle.
Thanks guys!
Charles Pooter
01-13-17, 19:02
Now my question is what is the best way to get from POP airport to Costmabar? I see on BB they will pick you up for $45 US. That seems a little gringo. Is there a cheaper alternative to get to BB from the airport? I land at 5 pm. I guess from BB to Sosua I will just jump on the bus or maybe see if others are headed that way and share a ride. Anyways if someone can maybe help me figure out how to get to BB that would be awesome if not I guess I will just bite the bullet and pay for a shuttle.I am a big fan of Barba Negra, especially for first-timers, but the one downside is it is in the middle of nowhere and hard to access except by rented auto or taxi. The US $45 pick-up fee sounds about right. A cab to Sosua from the airport is US $25 and to Barba Negra is three times as far, plus their driver may have some waiting time at the airport.
There are ways to get there during daylight by public transport at minimal cost but they are a bit complicated and unsuitable if you have luggage and it is raining. It would involve a motor-cycle taxi for the last short leg. I would be happy explain if you want to go that route, but I am guessing you will not unless you have only a backpack.
Whoops! Just noticed you land at 5 pm. I do not know how long it would take to clear customs and immigration but that leaves you very tight for time as the Costambar publico from Puerto Plata stops running at dusk and they are not all that frequent.
Although I am tight as a duck's ass with money, I think you will have to bite the bullet and accept Barba Negra's offer. If you do take the taxi, ask him to stop at RUSA (at the entrada for Padre Granero near the Baseball Stadium) en route, so you can change whatever you want into pesos. They are very efficient and give the best rates with no forged bills like some street money-changers.
If you will only be staying for one or two nights, you may wish to consider Field of Dreams instead. Would save you US$25 on taxis, both to there and from there to Sosua. In fact, you could get a publico from there to Sosua and save another US$20, though more hassle. That's US$70 saved on transport.
Or you could just go straight to Sosua. Even at the weekends one of the hotels on your list will have a vacancy.
Or, if only one or two nights, you could stay at Lomar Hotel on the Malecon in Puerto Plata and have a look round the city. The hotel is basic but OK for US$30. I would be pleased to meet you when you arrive and could fix you up with a nice haitiana for your first night if you like dark meat. It would be the one mentioned in Punting George's post #27708. I can guarantee her honesty and cleanliness but I do not think she provides kinky services because she is not a regular hooker (but money talks!)
Thanks Charles! I think I will just bite the bullet as I really am unfamiliar with the location and I will likely not want to screw around after flying all day. I am not tight just frugal and $45 for a taxi ride seems steep but like I said I really don't know! I assume 2 days at Barba Negra will be plenty (Friday and Saturday)? What would you suggest for getting from BB to NG in Sosua? I will be going Sunday so I really don't mind trying to figure out the public transportation or even a shuttle if they exist, just trying to conserve as many pesos and dollars as I can. I will have the typical suitcase and likely a backpack for day trips and other excursions I might get out on. Any other advice or tips is greatly appreciated. Like I said I am not new to the scene but far from an expert!
Cheers!
To be honest I never thought of FOD over BB's in fact I didn't think about it much as I really don't know much about either. I have read tons online and most reviews seem to be similar. I realize both are fairly tame although I heard the "party" goes a little longer at FOD. I realize taste and likes are subjective but which would be better? I know BB has a beach where FOD is more a compound. Again I am just going off other guys trip reports and whatever else I find on the boards. BB seems straight forward get a room, relax, grab a girl and gone. FOD seems confusing, regular rooms, all inclusive rooms and then VIP. I've read reports of 1800ST to 3000 for all night. Are both similar or do I need to get a VIP package?
Charles Pooter
01-13-17, 19:44
What would you suggest for getting from BB to NG in Sosua?I guess US $50 (or 2000 pesos) if you take a Costambar taxi to Sosua, but guys here may have more accurate info.
By public transport:
1) Moto-cycle taxi to the entrance gates of Costambar (50 pesos).
2 a) Take the JC publico from there to the Parada de Sosua near the public hospital in Pto Pta city. (40 pesos). The JCs run every 20 to 30 minutes weekdays. I do not know about Sundays. If a long wait you may want to sit in the adjacent bar for a drink.
2 b) Alternative is to take your moto to the main road and catch a publico or guagua into the city from there. They come along every 2 or 3 minutes. It is very exposed so no good if raining, and if you are the nervous type you may feel a bit vulnerable standing there with your suitcase. Do not accept lifts from private vehicles!
3) Publico to Sosua (50 pesos or 100 pesos if you buy both front seats, which I recommend).
4) Moto-cycle taxi to your hotel (50 pesos).
Total: 240 pesos and see more of the DR!
Charles Pooter
01-13-17, 22:57
To be honest I never thought of FOD over BB's in fact I didn't think about it much as I really don't know much about either. I have read tons online and most reviews seem to be similar. I realize both are fairly tame although I heard the "party" goes a little longer at FOD.
I would not describe either as "tame" unless you are into really edgy stuff. They are what you make them, and what your wallet permits.
BB seems straight forward get a room, relax, grab a girl and gone. FOD seems confusing, regular rooms, all inclusive rooms and then VIP. I've read reports of 1800ST to 3000 for all night. Are both similar or do I need to get a VIP package?I think both have very similar systems and prices. I have never heard of anyone using a VIP package at FoD. In general, in the DR, avoid locking yourself into commitments, whether commercial or personal. Blackbeards has various room prices too.
The chicas are one price for staying guests and a higher price for outside visitors at both places, which seems fair to me. I see no virtue in hiring a working girl from either place unless you are staying there, because you can get better or cheaper outside. The only people who do are newbies who cannot find their own chicas (and especially guys slipping away from their wives at Playa Dorada) or guys who have become infatuated with a particular chica (which usually ends in tears. His, not hers).
I realize taste and likes are subjective but which would be better? I know BB has a beach where FOD is more a compound.Most people prefer Blackbeards. It is run by North Americans whereas Field of Dreams is run by Dominicans. I would never normally recommend FoD over Barba Negra. The restaurant is crap at FoD and service generally is incompetent. But for one or two nights it might be convenient for you for transport reasons. And I understand the chicas are less regimented as to what they can and cannot do. So if you like bareback anal your chances are better at FoD.
Blackbeards does not "have" a beach but the Costambar public beach is within 5 minutes walk. You can walk along it but I would not recommend bathing there.
From FoD you can use the Playa Dorada beach which is safe for swimming, but it is 20 minutes walk away through the golf course.
My buddy is using City Lights as his new spot. It is filled with Haitian girls who are giving great service. My friend who is usually conservative has gone a little wild. He is raving about the quality of the girls. He informed me that tonight he is going for a Blanca Dominican. It is still raining everyday but the pussy has him motivated.
My buddy did his 10th chica last night. I stated he had been doing Haitian girls at City Lights. His intent last night was to do a Blanca from Santiago. However he walked by City Lights and low and behold he sees another slim haitian and it is off to the races. My guy is dong 2 a day and loving life.
Charles Pooter
01-15-17, 16:59
His intent last night was to do a Blanca from Santiago. However he walked by City Lights and low and behold he sees another slim haitian and it is off to the races.A wise change of plan!
FuckAfMedDig
01-15-17, 19:23
My buddy did his 10th chica last night. I stated he had been doing Haitian girls at City Lights. His intent last night was to do a Blanca from Santiago. However he walked by City Lights and low and behold he sees another slim haitian and it is off to the races. My guy is dong 2 a day and loving life.Sounds good.
Do you know What are they charging for take out roughly / for how long?
My buddy did his 10th chica last night. I stated he had been doing Haitian girls at City Lights.Any other places that are looking good in Sosua for chicas? Headed down soon and wanted to compile a list of bars / discos that are still up and running.
PuntingGeorge
01-15-17, 21:27
I was debating whether or not to write this report, considering it was my first trip to Sosua and there are so many experienced mongers on this forum happy to share their tips, gleaned from numerous trips over many years. I decided in the end that it is the right thing to do, as I had benefited greatly from the information I was given, and it's only thanks to ISG that I had such a great trip. So, I'll jot down a basic report, peppered with my do's and don'ts, in the hope that it will enhance some else's trip. It will be elementary to the experienced monger, but I'm hoping a newbie or two will find some of it enlightening. If in the unlikely event that an old dog learns a new trick here, I'll be delighted.
I started typing IMHO after many of the paragraphs, then decided it looked silly, better to just add my disclaimer upfront. So here goes. Everything in this report is my humble opinion based on a short trip and supported by information gleaned from ISG members and chats with other mongers during my stay. Yes, I banged many chicas during my stay, but the number is probably a drop in the ocean relative to more experience mongers, some of whom I expect will disagree with my assumptions and generalizations. Ultimately, this is me sharing the mental notes I made for myself for future trips.
Okay, the basics first.
I went for 4 days /4 nights over the Christmas weekend. I was to learn that this is one of, if not the, quietest time of the year, as most of the girls stay home with their families. Nevertheless, as will become apparent, I was never left wanting, I just had a smaller pool from which to make my selection.
I made an apparently typical newbie mistake and booked an airbnb. Complete waste of money. One of the great pleasures of Sosua is the bold nature of the sex / prostitution scene, the pure joy of having to show no restraint in enjoying the carnal tendencies built into all of us, but which we are conditioned to suppress in everyday life. Chatting up any girl who takes your fancy (as long as she is not walking with another man, and smiles back to acknowledge that she's in the game, you don't want to get cracked over the head with a glass bottle, or worse, by a jealous boyfriend or protective father) regardless of how far out of your league she would normally be considered, knowing that the pesos in your pocket say you can fuck her if you want. The ability to simply point and fuck, meaning you can walk a few feet from your hotel anytime of the day or night, pick a girl, take her to your room and fuck her. So, having to then sneak the girl into your apt, only to be caught and risk negative airbnb feedback etc, defeats the purpose of the trip.
Although most of my first night's activities have been covered in a previous post, I'll recap briefly. My airbnb was on the same street as Sosua Sunrise, so at the heart of the mongering scene. I arrived in the evening, checked in, put my stuff away and headed straight out. I hadn't gotten more than a few steps before I was propositioned by an attractive local girl. I negotiated her down to 1,000 pesos, took her to the room and promptly found out that she was barely worth even that much. Went back out and headed to the massage shop I'd passed earlier, where I'the been offered a massage by a really cute girl sitting outside. She was still there, I negotiated her down to 1,000 pesos for 40 minutes, including fondling and happy ending. Ended up with closer to 25 minutes but what a 25 minutes! Massage was fantastic, super girl, great attitude and smile, no objections to any of my fiddling and ultimately a very masterfully administered happy ending. Headed out later for the 3rd time, picked up another attractive looking chica for 1,000 and took her back to my place. What a disaster! First of all she was wearing a corset, which she'd stuffed herself into in order to appear shapely under a sexy dress. Once the dress came off, to quote Camille Paglia on Mariah Carey, she looked like "a splitting sack of over-ripe cantaloupes". Service was acceptable. Once I'd nutted she offered me a massage, which I took her up on. It consisted of her rubbing my back for 3 minutes, not exactly the Champneys experience, but then again I'd invited her back because of her tits and arse, not her massage skills. Anyway, this is where it started to get a little hairy. As she's getting dressed she says to me "propina" which I quickly learned means tip. During the negotiation I'd discussed services and said mil pesos, then said "and massage" as if to include it, to which she replied "si si mil pesos" as if yes, it's all in the thousand pesos we agreed. Well this ambiguity came back to bite me in the arse when I made it clear how quickly a propina would be forthcoming. She claimed that we agreed 1,000 for usual services and 1,000 for the massage, so she wanted 2,000 or she was calling the police. I called her bluff and told her to call whoever she wants. She proceeded to dial someone and speak in a manner which made me suspect it wasn't the police. I didn't know how pimps work there and didn't fancy getting shanked on my first night for the sake of a few dollars, so started negotiating. Managed to kick her out with a 200 propina, so 1,200 total. A cheap education! Anyway, another good reason to stay in a monger friendly hotel. They don't pull this shit when the security guard with a shotgun slung over his shoulder is holding their cedula (identification).
On day 2 of my trip, following the advice given on here, I moved to Sosua Sunrise. Great monger friendly hotel. It's not the Ritz, but you're not shagging $600 an hour hookers, so it's more than adequate. Just remember that any girl you want to bring in with you must have cedula.
Writing a report on my activities once I moved to Sosua Sunrise would just be providing wank material. Suffice it to say that I sampled every kind of pussy I fancied over varying lengths of bookings.
I will just write some of the highlights and lessons learned.
One of the many benefits to staying at a monger friendly hotel, is meeting fellow mongers. I met one at breakfast the first morning and we proceeded to hang out and swap notes (and even a chica) for the rest of the trip. In addition to the obvious benefits of learning new things and having someone to go and pick up chicas with, unless you're there for less than 48 hours, there will be downtime, so it's great to have a mate who you can simply go for a beer with, and chat without having to worry about cover stories etc. I met plenty of friendly blokes, so if this is your first trip, don't be shy to ask to join someone at breakfast or dinner if they're sitting without a chica, they'll usually be happy for the company. You'll meet some great people and learn a lot.
Stomachs. The chicas start having children at a very young age, and it's not uncommon to meet a chica in her 20's with 3 kids. If they've had a cesarean, they will have a long, extremely unsightly scar across their stomach. I therefore found that the chicas with nothing to hide have their stomachs on display. If their stomach is covered, they will often be hiding seriously stretched out / flabby stomachs, or the aforementioned scar. Of course this is not always the case, but if it is likely to put you off, your best bet is to pick up a girl whose stomach is on display.
Time means nothing to short time chicas that you have no history with. It's all about pops (leches to use the local term, which I find a little odd). You can agree two hours, but if you haven't discussed how many times you plan to shag her, she'll strip down the moment she walks into the room and do everything she can to make you cum as quickly as possible, after which, the booking is over. You need to be clear about time, pops, activities and money (including tips) upfront, to prevent her taking advantage of you. Although, if you agree a propina for good service, she's banked it in her mind, so you have to expect to pay it, regardless of the quality of her service, and don't assume she'll improve her service to earn it.
On my last morning I had an interesting experience. I was at breakfast with my wingman when a cute local chica showed up outside the hotel. I ditched my breakfast and my mate and promptly went over to negotiate what would likely be my last bit of fun before heading home. She agreed to 1,000 and up to my room we went. As usual, she was naked before I had a chance to close to door, had a quick wash and straight into the action. She started giving me the best blow job I'the had in Sosua and probably one of the best blow jobs I've ever had. It was outstanding! Half way through she stops and says she's done, I've had as much as 1,000 buys me. Like fuck she's done, I'm enjoying this way too much. I quickly offered her an additional 500 and back to heaven I floated. Once we'the finished shagging she starts harassing me for a propina. I told her she's getting 500 more than we agreed downstairs and she should be happy with that. She starts getting mad at me calling me cheapy cheapy etc. She goes into the bathroom to clean up, comes out with a dazzling smile and asks how long I'm in town for. I lie and tell her next week, so she checks my room number and asks what time she should come tomorrow. An hour later I was walking back to the hotel when I hear "George, George" I turn around and guess who. She wants another session. My conclusion is, it's all a game to them, an act to extract as many pesos as possible, but ultimately they'll take whatever you offer and give you a good service for it. If I book a one hour session in the UK, on the assumption that I'm getting 2 pops, but find out after the first pop that the girl has no intention of offering the second, it's not worth trying to talk her into it, because even if she does capitulate her attitude will be shit. Over here, she would happily have taken 1,000/1,500 with no propina and gone for another round and, most importantly, done it with a good attitude, despite having pouted and called me cheapy cheapy a moment earlier.
To prices. Based on my discussions with the other guys I met, I seemed to be getting a decent rate. I paid 1,000 for most of my short time sessions and between 2,000 to 3,000 for the longer / overnight sessions. I paid $15 for the taxi from the airport to Sosua, when the going rate is apparently $25. I know this is a sex forum, not a negotiation school, but I'll tell you how I approached it and maybe some of you will same some dosh on your next trip. My bottom line was I was prepared to walk away. I did this at the airport, I had numerous people offering me a 25 ride, but I dismissed them all with an exasperated wave of my hand and shaking of my head, while walking away. One of them chased me and asked how much I want to pay. I said $15, he tried to negotiate me up, so I carried on walking, he immediately says okay okay $15. Took all of 2 minutes to save $10. Ultimately, the number of taxis outnumbered the arriving passengers 20-1, so you're in control. I did the same with chicas, I got my first session for 1,000 so figured that was the going rate and I wasn't going to pay more than that, unless she was something very special. I found the girls opening offer was usually around 4,000. I'the counter with 1,000, they'the say no way, I would turn to go, they would make a last attempt to get a little more but when they realized I wasn't going to budge, they went for it. Same principle with chica to monger ratio applies. You're almost guaranteed a shag, they could easily go home with no cash at the end of the night, which might mean their kids don't eat the next day; ergo, you're in control.
The only problem with this approach is you will likely go home with a regret or two. I have two. I went out in the evening on a mission to take a girl back for TLN (todo la noche / an all night session) I met a girl who ticked all my boxes, I really wanted to bang her, but she said she had to leave at 2 am, she couldn't do TLN, so like an idiot, I let her go, assuming that with the whole evening ahead of me I'the find an equally exciting girl who was available for TLN. Alas, I didn't. I ended up taking back a girl who promised me till 4 am but ended up laying me twice and pissing off (just to back up the assertion I made earlier about cheapy cheapy, this girl tried to leave after the first shag, I convinced her to stay for another, and her attitude was top notch).
My second regret is a girl I met at Bourbon Street (girls are only allowed in if they spend money, otherwise they have to be invited in by a man, so there are plenty of girls sitting there nursing a beer or an orange juice). I was sitting with my wingman when I spotted a cute local girl sitting at a table by herself. I invited her over and offered her a beer, not knowing that she'the already ordered herself some wings. She ate through her wings drank her beer and we started negotiating rates. I felt her rate was too high (nothing extortionate, I think around 2,000, but higher than I felt I needed to pay) so I said no thanks. She asked for the bill, paid for her wings and left. At that point I felt like an idiot. Most girls there are money grabbers, if they can't get your cash for a shag, they try and extract as much as possible in drinks, food and anything else they feel they can get away with. The fact that she didn't even ask me to pay for the wings told me that she was one of the more decent girls there and I would have had a great time with her. A short while later she walked along the sidewalk in front of me with another bloke, I watched her amazing arse pass me by and could have cried. In hindsight, I should have at least taken her number, something my wingman is great at but I kept forgetting to do.
As it turns out, I had a miserable night (by Sosua standards). I ended up taking home a girl from the bar under Classicos (sorry, can't remember the name) who promised to stay till 5 am with mucho fuckey fuckey. First round of fucky fucky was great. I had her leaning over the balcony, facing the pool, shouting si papi, si papi, me gusta (sorry fellow guests if I she woke you) while I was banging her from behind. Once that was done though, she decided to go to sleep. I promptly woke her up, paid her the full agreed amount and kicked her out, so I could go back out and get another chica. She also had the aforementioned unsightly scar, which I didn't much like.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush has never been more apt. Although it could simply be because it was so quiet, so at another time of the year I would have found the illusive chica of my dreams later in the evening.
Although the first regret wasn't related to money, it was still caused by me sticking to my guns and not being flexible. So I would just say, even if you're going to take a hard line with your negotiations, know when to back down. The chica will happily take your renewed offer and shag your brains out, regardless of how your first round of negotiations went. It's all business to them, and should be to you too.
Something which worked for me on occasion was negotiating two rates, one for short time and one for TLN, with the understanding that I'll decided after the short time which option I'm choosing. It does a few things. 1. Keeps them on their toes for the first session, because they're desperate for the rest of the money. 2. They don't rush the first session as much as they usually would, because they figure there's a good chance they're anyway staying for the night. 3. Makes them a little more flexible on the short time rate, because they assume you'll take the TLN if they're good.
Sosua is full of Haitians. Although I'the never considered going with black girls before and always fancied the Latina look, I'm a convert. I find them to be a lot more willing, submissive, friendly, seemingly genuine and likely to deliver what was agreed without any hassle. They're also a lot cheaper. Just much easier going from negotiation through to completion. You feel like they're happy doing what you've discussed for the price agreed, not trying to outsmart you by extracting additional money or getting away with a lesser service. There's a lot to be said for being able to disengage your brain and just enjoy the fuck, which I can't do properly with the local girls, where I'm always trying to think one step ahead to make sure I don't get screwed. I had one TLN, thank you Prince Charles (Pooter), and one on the short time / TLN option, both were outstanding and girls I will definitely try and get hold of on my next visit. Granted, the size of the subject pool from which I've extrapolated this data would not meet Harvard standards, but this is the Dominican Republic, so standard are a lot more lax.
Okay, a couple of notes for the newbies.
1. I think a sim card is very useful if you're going to be taking numbers from chicas or want data for WhatApp / browsing / Google maps when out and about. Most decent places have Wifi, but not everywhere. Orange charged me 100 pesos for the sim and 250 for 1 gb data and some minutes / texts. Pittance.
2. The chicas don't have condoms, so on your first day, when you go to the local supermarket to get yourself the sim card, beers and water, get yourself some condoms and lube.
3. Don't pre pay, ever. Very few will ask, but whatever the circumstances, tell them to fuck off. No one pays upfront there, don't be the person who thinks with his dick and end up getting screwed (not in the good way).
Okay, I think that's me done. Can't wait for my next trip, when I hope that all the data I gathered this trip will mean an even more enjoyable time.
Charles Pooter
01-15-17, 21:56
Do you know What are they charging for take out roughly / for how long?I assume OldKool is referring to freelancers patronizing the bar, not taking out staff. As far as I know they do not have a salida system (but am open to correction on this).
FOD is a fucking dump. I've been to BB's 11 times, and yes, we always take a side trip to FOD for a few laughs. Once in a while we'll bang something out there however. I 2nd Charles comments and note that he's actually on the ground there. Whereas, I'm just a frequent visitor. Don't eat the FOD food, it's total garbage. Still, you MUST go at least once if you're staying at BB's. Enjoy your trip. GEO.
To be honest I never thought of FOD over BB's in fact I didn't think about it much as I really don't know much about either. I have read tons online and most reviews seem to be similar. I realize both are fairly tame although I heard the "party" goes a little longer at FOD. I realize taste and likes are subjective but which would be better? I know BB has a beach where FOD is more a compound. Again I am just going off other guys trip reports and whatever else I find on the boards. BB seems straight forward get a room, relax, grab a girl and gone. FOD seems confusing, regular rooms, all inclusive rooms and then VIP. I've read reports of 1800ST to 3000 for all night. Are both similar or do I need to get a VIP package?
Tempoecorto
01-16-17, 03:30
I was debating whether or not to write this report, considering it was my first trip to Sosua and there are so many experienced mongers on this forum happy to share their tips, gleaned from numerous trips over many years. I decided in the end that it is the right thing to do, as I had benefited greatly from the information I was given, and it's only thanks to ISG that I had such a great trip. So, I'll jot down a basic report, peppered with my do's and don'ts, in the hope that it will enhance some else's trip. It will be elementary to the experienced monger, but I'm hoping a newbie or two will find some of it enlightening. If in the unlikely event that an old dog learns a new trick here, I'll be delighted.Thoroughly enjoyed your take as a first timer. A crisp writing style interspersed with a sense of humor and an evident positive attitude towards the women. I remember the same sense of awe my first time. You can point at practically anyone in the town using some sense of course and mostly you get a friendly smile in a laid back town. Nothing new for some as mentioned, even though it is curious to hear that 1000 pesos for short term is still acceptable. Most others have been citing 1500. Your Negotiation 101 should have many takers that complain being skinned. Kudos!
Fabulous report! Well done and thanks!
Eszpresszo
01-16-17, 05:05
I was debating whether or not to write this report, considering it was my first trip to Sosua and there are so many experienced mongers on this forum happy to share their tips, gleaned from numerous trips over many years...Thanks for the great report and never hesitate to share your experiences. As someone who is planning his first trip next month, I benefited greatly from reading your report and I am sure others will agree.
While 1000 pesos is possible 1500 will work 80% of the time. I have found that if you press to hard on price your service will be affected. The sex is very cheap 20 dollars 1000 pesos or 30 dollars 1500 pesos in Sosua. If you have never been do not over think it. The place is 2 blocks and the women chase you down. Trick question do pick women you want or women who want you. The answer is the the one you like who likes you. I know many guys think these girls are cold and unfeeling. They are human and can be attracted to and enjoy their customer. If you are having fun it can be contagious. So to newbies do not let the girl pick you or you will be often disappointed. Take your time and get acquainted a little. Fucked up chicas have a hard time hiding it for very long. The first time you sense BS from a chica, kick her to the curve. This simple move will save you so much aggravation and provide you with some excellent sessions. I have have very good time all over the DR. I try fair, kind and sometimes generous. As a result at little over 60 I am having some of the best sex in my life. Many of the girls work very hard to please me. At 60 sometimes getting nut requires a lot of work. I am often amazed at how hard these girls go at it.
Sounds good.
Do you know What are they charging for take out roughly / for how long?
Okay, a couple of notes for the newbies.
1. I think a sim card is very useful if you're going to be taking numbers from chicas or want data for WhatApp / browsing / Google maps when out and about. Most decent places have Wifi, but not everywhere. Orange charged me 100 pesos for the sim and 250 for 1 gb data and some minutes / texts. Pittance.
2. The chicas don't have condoms, so on your first day, when you go to the local supermarket to get yourself the sim card, beers and water, get yourself some condoms and lube.
3. Don't pre pay, ever. Very few will ask, but whatever the circumstances, tell them to fuck off. No one pays upfront there, don't be the person who thinks with his dick and end up getting screwed (not in the good way).
Okay, I think that's me done. Can't wait for my next trip, when I hope that all the data I gathered this trip will mean an even more enjoyable time.Great report!
A couple of things though!
You can avoid a lot of unfavorable outcomes by understanding the market, for cabs, sex, food, money exchange, whatever.
We know that everything in life is negotiable, one big market, but some enjoy the bargaining process more than others. Some will drive miles to save a buck.
For some, getting the best for the least, is well worth an argument, but don't forget, a local puta, who does this every day for a living, can match you argument for argument. This can be fun over a beer, or a pain in the ass back in your room, and sometimes a time waster that leads nowhere. Even if she lets you win the argument, she can win in the end with poor or hurried service, or an early exit. They usually have the last word.
Other visitors are more in tune with their surroundings, they know what they want, what to expect, have a budget for it, within a couple hundred pesos, and generally have pleasant, sometimes mind blowing interactions. Stand offs are rare!
Look at locals, they operate seamlessly with each other, they never ask the motoconcho driver/street vendor/publico how much, no negotiations, no standoffs.
That's what I have tried to emulate over the years and found it works for me.
After all, I am on vacation, I leave the hard negotiating behind at home in my business.
It may be an age thing. :)
AGarbageMan
01-16-17, 13:51
Mongers,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also. How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.
Mr Enternational
01-16-17, 14:51
Great report PuntingGeorge. And great negotiating skills. You have reported everything that I have come to know about Sosua. Do they have girls? Sure. A ton of them. Most of them are not without the headaches that you have experienced first hand though. Looks like you went through everything with them this time around except the stealing. Since the subject is up:
Great report PuntingGeorge. And great negotiating skills. You have reported everything that I have come to know about Sosua. Do they have girls? Sure. A ton of them. Most of them are not without the headaches that you have experienced first hand though. Looks like you went through everything with them this time around except the stealing. Since the subject is up:Unfortunately the poor sod in your cartoon is typical. The perennial loser.
His satisfaction level depends only on what the next guy is doing. He's the guy that has problems with getting laid in a brothel. Or getting drunk in a brewery.
I would tell the new poster that with a little practice he will find that "most" of the girls actually give good bang for the buck, and the exceptions are relatively rare. Sosua is a very popular destination for mongers. For some it is a monger's Paradise.
(We know your mileage does vary, since you seem to hit a lot of bad putas and thieves down there, and, you tell us, you no longer go to Sosua by choice).
But that's YOUR problem. I wouldn't want the newbies to get the totally wrong idea!
Mr Enternational
01-16-17, 18:25
But that's YOUR problem. I wouldn't want the newbies to get the totally wrong idea!A newbie just posted a report with his own ideas. So it seems to be not only MY problem. Are you saying that his experience should be discounted as a one off although some bullshit happened with multiple chicas that he took? At least he was able to take it all in stride and still have a good time.
FuckAfMedDig
01-16-17, 21:23
While 1000 pesos is possible 1500 will work 80% of the time. I have found that if you press to hard on price your service will be affected. The sex is very cheap 20 dollars 1000 pesos or 30 dollars 1500 pesos in Sosua. If you have never been do not over think it. The place is 2 blocks and the women chase you down. Trick question do pick women you want or women who want you. The answer is the the one you like who likes you. I know many guys think these girls are cold and unfeeling. They are human and can be attracted to and enjoy their customer. If you are having fun it can be contagious. So to newbies do not let the girl pick you or you will be often disappointed. Take your time and get acquainted a little. Fucked up chicas have a hard time hiding it for very long. The first time you sense BS from a chica, kick her to the curve. This simple move will save you so much aggravation and provide you with some excellent sessions. I have have very good time all over the DR. I try fair, kind and sometimes generous. As a result at little over 60 I am having some of the best sex in my life. Many of the girls work very hard to please me. At 60 sometimes getting nut requires a lot of work. I am often amazed at how hard these girls go at it.For sure its fine to negotiate but for the sake of 10 $ I wouldn't if I felt the girl would compromise.
You wouldn't want her taking you for a ride but even at 2000 pesos (40 $?) that's mad cheap and if the girl felt good about it and put in work she would do it again.
I fins it a bit embarrasing haggling over a few $ knowing what these chicas make. But that's just me.
In Rio De Janeiro terms (my only known comparison) the only equivalent would be Villa Mimosa (trash red light with a few diamonds) or the privees in Centro. Seems very cheap to me.
Mr Enternational
01-16-17, 21:33
I fins it a bit embarrasing haggling over a few $ knowing what these chicas make. But that's just me.Come on man. Haggling with a hooker couldn't be any more embarassing than fucking one. Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner... or give it to GrownMan for some hair?
FuckAfMedDig
01-16-17, 21:38
Come on man. Haggling with a hooker couldn't be any more embarassing than fucking one. Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner... or give it to GrownMan for some hair?This is true! Lets go for 500 pesos! LOL.
Just saying 30 $ for a session is very cheap I mean youd probably have to go to Africa or Far East to beat it.
Charles Pooter
01-16-17, 23:55
Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner...I cannot speak for the chicas you fuck. If you fuck dominicanas with a would be "ghetto rich" mentality, then what you say may be correct. But I know enough about the haitianas I have been with to know that they desperately need every peso for rent and necessities for their families. I avoid any with tattoos, piercings, colored contacts, dyed hair, smartphones, more expensive clothes and handbags, etc. , because I reckon they do not need my money and have probably got an attitude anyway.
I cannot speak for the chicas you fuck. If you fuck dominicanas with a would be "ghetto rich" mentality, then what you say may be correct. But I know enough about the haitianas I have been with to know that they desperately need every peso for rent and necessities for their families. I avoid any with tattoos, piercings, colored contacts, dyed hair, smartphones, more expensive clothes and handbags, etc. , because I reckon they do not need my money and have probably got an attitude anyway.Are you finding that a lot of Haitians have left the DR and gone to Brazil?
Several Haitianas of my acquaintance are now in Brazil, which opened itself to Haitians after the terramoto of 2010, even though they are not earthquake victims at all. However I understand the economy of Brazil is now in the tank and many are looking for an out.
I was debating whether or not to write this report, considering it was my first trip to Sosua and there are so many experienced mongers on this forum...
Excellent report. A couple of points that I really agree with are 1) Haitians do it better, 2) the key to negotiation is to be prepared to walk away. I liked this report because the author came to Sosua with an open mind, reported on what he found, learned as he went along, and did not write a report full of preconceptions or personal agendas.
Are you finding that a lot of Haitians have left the DR and gone to Brazil?
Several Haitianas of my acquaintance are now in Brazil, which opened itself to Haitians after the terramoto of 2010, even though they are not earthquake victims at all. However I understand the economy of Brazil is now in the tank and many are looking for an out.Many made the trek from Brazil and are now at the Mexican border towns; especially in Tijuana.
Many have crossed and many others are stuck in Mexico.
Come on man. Haggling with a hooker couldn't be any more embarassing than fucking one. Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner... or give it to GrownMan for some hair?Yes, but it applies in all kinds of situations. In the US it is more or less customary to tip wait staff in restaurants as it is understood that they are paid less than the minimum wage and it is expected that tips will form part of their income. If you are well off enough to dine in a restaurant, you are almost certainly better off than your waiter or waitress. Do you haggle with waitresses over how much you will tip them before service begins, or do you use some kind of guideline such as 10% for pretty crap service, 15% for OK service, and 20% for really making the meal a more pleasant than expected experience? Personally I hate being put in the position of effectively making the decision how much to pay someone for doing their job, because I have no objective tools for determining whether they are doing a good job in the context of that particular restaurant, the training they have been given, the expectations of their employer, or their own personal level of ability or not. Or if the food is crap, like it always will be in most chain or franchise restaurants, will that affect the tip given to the waitstaff? In any case, what seems like an inconsequential amount to me may well mean a lot to the person who is on the other end of the process.
Member #2041
01-17-17, 03:17
This is true! Lets go for 500 pesos! LOL.
Just saying 30 $ for a session is very cheap I mean youd probably have to go to Africa or Far East to beat it.Nowadays, with the Trumped Mexican Peso (at over 21 to the US Dollar now), you can very easily beat it in Tijuana. I normally pay 300-350 pesos all in for a Tijuana Street Girl Quickie (that's $14-17 US, including the short time room). I pay 550 to 600 p for double length sessions or sessions with extras (such as BB sessions) and that is $26-28 all in. The MOST I ever pay nowadays in Tijuana for an unrushed full bare GFE short time session in Tijuana is 950 pesos, which comes to $44 at the present exchange rate.
Are you finding that a lot of Haitians have left the DR and gone to Brazil?
Several Haitianas of my acquaintance are now in Brazil, which opened itself to Haitians after the terramoto of 2010, even though they are not earthquake victims at all. However I understand the economy of Brazil is now in the tank and many are looking for an out.It's funny that you ask that. Two of my best Haitian girls has moved to Brazil. One has moved her family there. She has a real job as a maid. She has tried to get me to come down but I decline because she does not live any where near the major cities and I'm not traveling that far for one women. They both complain about how hard they have to work and is not too impress with Brazil. However, they say that they are treated better than in the DR. I went to Rio once after help (2011). I did not like the scene. I'm not a brothel guy.
This is true! Lets go for 500 pesos! LOL.
Just saying 30 $ for a session is very cheap I mean youd probably have to go to Africa or Far East to beat it.I have actually experienced some quality (looks and performance) garotas in Brazil at some of the Prive apartments for 1 Real per minute. At today's exchange rates, that comes to about 30 cents per minute. Yeah, I just said that. I blew somebody's f*ing mind! Certainly $30-37 USD would be more common in some of the downtown massage parlors. Again, top quality girls. I swear, the main financial setback to going to Brazil is the airfare!
Hey everybody,
I never looked into this before, but I was wondering if there are any hourly rate places in Sosua (or nearby)? I'm not sure if New Garden and Europa do that, but it is something I have been thinking of as an option if I decide not to actually stay in Sosua, but in Puerto Plata or Cabarete. That way if I only visit Sosua during the day, I can do my business in town, then leave in peace. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Rodeo.
A newbie just posted a report with his own ideas. So it seems to be not only MY problem. Are you saying that his experience should be discounted as a one off although some bullshit happened with multiple chicas that he took? At least he was able to take it all in stride and still have a good time.It was a great post from a newbie.
He shares MY view of the place.
Like me, he ends his post with, "Can't wait to go back!"
You told us you would not go to Sosua again by choice. (Apparently you can be "tricked")
I can see why "most" of the hookers give you a headache. Along with stereotyping them all, you also concern yourself too much with what they spend their money on. Not healthy.
Flash!
Once you pay them, it is THEIR money, not YOURS! :)
Besides, don't you get your pussy for free? Do you actually have to come down to their level and "negotiate"?
AGarbageMan
01-17-17, 15:20
Hola fellow mongers,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also? How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.
Sosua has 1 Cabana Dulce Secreto it is a mid range cabana. If you want to experience Sosua I would recommend you stay there. The day seen is very slow. The evening seen is not for everyone. The music is sort geared toward to urban young. However you can find clubs that have other themes, never the less the place is very laid back and enjoyable.
Hey everybody,
I never looked into this before, but I was wondering if there are any hourly rate places in Sosua (or nearby)? I'm not sure if New Garden and Europa do that, but it is something I have been thinking of as an option if I decide not to actually stay in Sosua, but in Puerto Plata or Cabarete. That way if I only visit Sosua during the day, I can do my business in town, then leave in peace. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Rodeo.
Mr Enternational
01-17-17, 16:15
Along with stereotyping them all, you also concern yourself too much with what they spend their money on. Not healthy.Man you are the Donald Trump of ISG. You always pop up attributing things to me that I never said. When did I ever say I was concerned about what someone spent money on? Once again, where do you get this stuff from?
And sure PG said he would be back. But I guarantee that if he goes to another mongering place where the women are less of a headache then he too will be like fuck that place. And you skipped over all the negative shit that he pointed out and only saw the good. Actually I don't rememeber him pointing out too much good except for the wonderful BJ that he said he got. And even then the chick stopped and made him pay more money. What kind of shit is that?
Of course it is great if you do not have anything to compare it to. Take brother SavePros for instance. He got to know another monger destination and has not been back to Sosua. Another board member who always insists on Sosua just PMed me 2 days ago and said even he would not be going back. I will say that Sosua is better than nothing, but it is not the mongering paradise that you want to make it out to be. McDonald's tastes great to a mf who has never been to Ruth Chris.
Hey everybody,
I never looked into this before, but I was wondering if there are any hourly rate places in Sosua (or nearby)? I'm not sure if New Garden and Europa do that, but it is something I have been thinking of as an option if I decide not to actually stay in Sosua, but in Puerto Plata or Cabarete. That way if I only visit Sosua during the day, I can do my business in town, then leave in peace. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Rodeo.Hi:
The bar opposite Rumba (I will not name) has upstairs rooms for about $8 bucks for short stay. Very handy for a qick point and click. A little off the track, a 10 minute walk (which can be agonizingly long if you are taking a strange chica) will take you to the Calypso, commonly referred to as the Calli. About the same price.
There are maps avaliable on the web.
Man you are the Donald Trump of ISG. You always pop up attributing things to me that I never said. When did I ever say I was concerned about what someone spent money on? Once again, where do you get this stuff from?
And sure PG said he would be back. But I guarantee that if he goes to another mongering place where the women are less of a headache then he too will be like fuck that place. And you skipped over all the negative shit that he pointed out and only saw the good. Actually I don't rememeber him pointing out too much good except for the wonderful BJ that he said he got. And even then the chick stopped and made him pay more money. What kind of shit is that?
Of course it is great if you do not have anything to compare it to. Take brother SavePros for instance. He got to know another monger destination and has not been back to Sosua. Another board member who always insists on Sosua just PMed me 2 days ago and said even he would not be going back. I will say that Sosua is better than nothing, but it is not the mongering paradise that you want to make it out to be. McDonald's tastes great to a mf who has never been to Ruth Chris.You're joking, right?
You say a lot of stuff to make your points, and I'm just having fun widja! .
Quote from post below; "Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner. Or give it to GrownMan for some hair?
As for your other obsession with this Trump guy, leave me out of your fucked up politics. I'm Canadian.
As for steak vs a burger, nobody goes to MacDonalds for a steak, and nobody goes to RuthChrist for a big Mac.
I can spot the difference, even though I've never been to RuthChrist, LOL.
As for our newbie monger. He had a few orientation problems first time out, but hey he's a newbie and apparently a fast learner. He can't wait to go back.
You've been around here dispensing "wisdom" for years, so what's YOUR excuse for still dealing with the fucked up ones? :)
Mr Enternational
01-17-17, 17:47
You're joking, right?
You say a lot of stuff to make your points, and I'm just having fun widja! .
Quote from post below; "Would you feel any different about "knowing what these chicas make" if you knew the money you were giving to her she was going to hand it over to some guy or fuck it off in some other manner. Or give it to GrownMan for some hair?Exactly. The hypothetical question posed is not me saying that I am concerned about what someone does with their money.
*viewing pleasure pic is not DR; it is Thailand.
Exactly. The hypothetical question posed is not me saying that I am concerned about what someone does with their money.
*viewing pleasure pic is not DR; it is Thailand.Now yer talkin' my language!
Peace MrE!
But if that is your Thailand "steak", I'll be quite content with my DR "burger". :)
Member #2041
01-17-17, 18:22
Exactly. The hypothetical question posed is not me saying that I am concerned about what someone does with their money.
*viewing pleasure pic is not DR; it is Thailand.Wow, in 10 visits to Thailand, I don't think I ever saw an ass like that one. Whereas they are all over Sosua.
Mr Enternational
01-17-17, 19:38
Wow, in 10 visits to Thailand, I don't think I ever saw an ass like that one. Whereas they are all over Sosua.You got to know where to look. Those waist trainers are all over Sosua too, but you don't find that out until you get back to the room (as PuntingGeorge did)!
Manizales911
01-17-17, 19:38
Hi:
The bar opposite Rumba (I will not name) has upstairs rooms for about $8 bucks for short stay. Very handy for a qick point and click. A little off the track, a 10 minute walk (which can be agonizingly long if you are taking a strange chica) will take you to the Calypso, commonly referred to as the Calli. About the same price.
There are maps avaliable on the web.The name of the bar is Bar Central, the rooms are shit but if you don't have a car and don't like riding motos then it's okay. I prefer Dulce Secreto the cabaña outside of the central part of town but I have a car.
The name of the bar is Bar Central, the rooms are shit but if you don't have a car and don't like riding motos then it's okay. I prefer Dulce Secreto the cabaa outside of the central part of town but I have a car.No big secret, but there are some seriously fucked up and uptight folks who don't appreciate our hobby.
My posts are still running on Youtube so they'll use any excuse to close down these places.
If they do, it won't be because of me!
SavePros321
01-18-17, 21:32
Exactly. The hypothetical question posed is not me saying that I am concerned about what someone does with their money.
*viewing pleasure pic is not DR; it is Thailand.Nice pic bro! That is a 360 degree difference than those flat-bodied bishes they are posting over in the Thailand photo gallery, LOL!
You got to know where to look. Those waist trainers are all over Sosua too, but you don't find that out until you get back to the room (as PuntingGeorge did)!I saw plenty last time I went. Especially at 808.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:36
Mongers,
Planning my first trip. What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity. Is Viagra available without prescription? I would like to seek other adventures also. How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?
Thanks in advance.Hi, GarbageMan.
You have posted essentially the same post now four times. This would normally earn you a roasting, but you have a perfect excuse. No-one responded. I am not sure why, as it is a perfectly sensible and inoffensive post.
My reason for not responding was that I am not a Sosua expert, I live and monger in Puerto Plata, so I left it to those that are but, since they seem unwilling to chip in, I will do my best to get a discussion going.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:37
What are the chances of getting a walk in room anytime at Sosua Sunrise? Price? I would think fairly good, but maybe more difficult at weekends and obviously not Superbowl weekend or Semana Santa, Easter. But I would still advise you to arrive without booking ahead. If Sosua Sunrise is not available when you arrive, there are plenty of adequate others nearby where you stay until they have a vacancy. I think their price is US $75 which includes an edible breakfast and dinner.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:38
I am 65 so sport fucking is out of the question. I will be going for quality not quantity.I am not sure what you mean by "quality". If you mean girls who look like models and hang the expense, I think most of us would agree that Sosua is not the right place. If you mean quality companionship from a pretty girl, then this is possible. You could take a girl for a whole day or night for affectionate (rather than frenzied or kinky) sex and she would also be your tour guide by day. Obviously this would cost you as you would need to buy her meals as well.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:40
Is Viagra available without prescription?Original Viagra and Cialis are available at farmacies without prescription but are much more expensive than in the First World, as is all imported stuff. But there are generic copies available very cheaply. I would buy these at a pharmacy rather than on the street. For years I used La Pela, generic Cialis, at 50 pesos US $1 a pill. Half a pill always did the job.
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:41
I would like to seek other adventures also. How is the fishing? Can you fish from the beaches?You can fish from boats, snorkel, dive, and zipline, and the next beach town, Cabarete, is known world-wide for water activities. There are a couple of seedy casinos. In my city of Puerto Plata, across the bay, you can go up the (small) mountain by cable car. Pony trekking and quad-bike excursions are available. Not much cultural is available. There is a small museum showing the Jewish origins of Sosua, and a museum of Haitian sculpture and other oddities run by a wacko which is worth a visit. If you can dance Latin-style and are willing to learn bachata and merengue, there are places in neighboring settlements. What else, guys?
Charles Pooter
01-20-17, 18:49
Sorry guys, not trying to boost my post count. The board would not accept my answering all questions in one post so I replied bit by bit to identify the problem. Turned out it was caused by my attempt to use the synonym for "water activities".
AGarbageMan
01-21-17, 01:41
Sorry guys, not trying to boost my post count. The board would not accept my answering all questions in one post so I replied bit by bit to identify the problem. Turned out it was caused by my attempt to use the synonym for "water activities".Thanks for the reply. My take on quality is as you stated, pretty girl, and excellent companionship. Those tens have a different attitude and that's one thing I don't want to deal with. Thanks for the Intel on other adventures. I was going to book AirBnB but am taking you advise with walk-ins. I will give La Pela a try. $50+ for USA Viagra is obscene. As for the 4 posts, I was taught to keep trying until you get what you want! Safety first!
Charles Pooter
01-21-17, 15:53
Thanks for the reply. My take on quality is as you stated, pretty girl, and excellent companionship. Those tens have a different attitude and that's one thing I don't want to deal with. Thanks for the Intel on other adventures. I was going to book AirBnB but am taking you advise with walk-ins. I will give La Pela a try. $50+ for USA Viagra is obscene. As for the 4 posts, I was taught to keep trying until you get what you want! Safety first!We could advise better if we knew more about you. Length of trip? Mongering experience elsewhere? Speak Spanish or French?
Sosua is not the best DR location to find the sort of chica you (and I) prefer, but it is doable. Most of the girls are take-the-money and run types. If you apply your philosophy of "keep trying until you get what you want" indiscriminately you could end up wasting a lot of money.
If you like black girls, many ex-pats and repeat visitors have learned to prefer haitianas to dominicanas because of their generally better attitude.
La Pela is generic cialis, but there are are generic Viagras available cheaply.
Thanks to those who replied with info! Manizales. Hit me up brother, we got to catch up. The number I had for you doesn't work anymore.
All, has anyone had success in quickly sessions with the chicks in Sosua? Say 15 min or 30 min? If so, at what rate? Not trying to nickel and dime anyone, but sometimes you just want a quickly between beers and don't want to reveal the location of your Bat Cave!
Quagmire1974
01-21-17, 18:58
Is Viagra available without prescription?As others have pointed out, generic Viagra is available. In pharmacies in Spanish-speaking countries like the Dominican Republic, it's know as sildenafilo generico (generic sildenafil). In Colombia and Mexico, I've purchased generic 100 MG sildenafil for between $2 and $3 per dose.
Manizales911
01-21-17, 22:51
Some of you may know that Elvis' place in Cabarete has moved to Sosua. For those of you that don't know of what I am referring it was and is a restaurant that also has girls, the new name is Restaurante Pica Flor, the old name was Barrio something or other and it was located in Cabarete and known to have high priced good looking girls. I never had the pleasure of visiting the old place but one of my friends was a regular of the old place when he lived in Cabarete, never took girls but ate and drank there and got to know the owner and workers quite well and he knew where the new place was located so we decided on going on a mission to check it out.
I have some friends coming to Sosua for the Superbowl and they are spenders, I told them I would check it out for them, not a place for me as I live here now and would never pay top dollar for girls, the difference between living here and visiting here for a week when it comes to prices paid and quality of girls is night and day.
It was easy to find, if you take the highway heading to Cabarete and take a left at Laguna Beach follow it to the end, go left at the end and go straight it is on the left hand side. You will know you are getting close when you cross the entrance road to Sosua Ocean Village and the road turns to dirt and goes to shit. It is in a bit dodgy area. We got there at about 4 pm And there were about 40 girls, holy shit. If you don't mind spending money there is every size and shape girl there, you could NOT possibly not find a girl to your liking. The drinks were priced average, a grande was 150 pesos, food was good. No pressure from the girls whatsoever, about a dozen of the girls came to our table and introduced themselves and immediately went back and sat down, none of them asked for a drink or any of the bullshit you get elsewhere, I was impressed.
None of us pulled a girl because all four of us that went live here and would never pay that kind of money, I have no problem with people that do pay for the ease of getting a girl at a place like this.
I had read on one of the forums that the prices at the old place in Cabarete was between $100. And $150. For a girl. We asked a girl that came to the table and she told us that the price was 4000 pesos for short time and 6600 for all night. I apologize for not finding out more specifics on pricing such as length of time etc. But I was not the guy talking to the girl. When I return with my buddies coming in for the Superbowl I'll get all the specifics and their experiences with the girls and report back.
In summary, crazy expensive girl prices but lots and lots of hot girls in a well run place, reminded me of the old Passions without the expensive drinks and pressure from the girls, two things that I despise.
If you are a senior member and want better directions send me a PM and I can tell you where to find a map on another forum but it's not really necessary. If you are a member with two posts and no reports posted I will NOT respond, I get way too much of that nonsense lately.
I have some friends coming to Sosua for the Superbowl and they are spenders, I told them I would check it out for them, not a place for me as I live here now and would never pay top dollar for girls, the difference between living here and visiting here for a week when it comes to prices paid and quality of girls is night and day. None of us pulled a girl because all four of us that went live here and would never pay that kind of money, I have no problem with people that do pay for the ease of getting a girl at a place like this. In summary, crazy expensive girl prices but lots and lots of hot girls in a well run place, reminded me of the old Passions without the expensive drinks and pressure from the girls, two things that I despise. If you are a senior member and want better directions send me a PM and I can tell you where to find a map on another forum but it's not really necessary. If you are a member with two posts and no reports posted I will NOT respond, I get way too much of that nonsense lately.Mr. Manizales,
That was a straight MitA (Man in the Arena) report. In addition thank you for supporting my assertion that there is indeed two different price structures for pussy on this island. Keep of the good work. I enjoyed your report.
I've been to Elvis' spots twice. Once in Cabarete, which was called Café Barrio and once in Sosua, to Pica Flor. I went to Café Barrio in January of 2016 and to Pica Flor in October of 2016. The price for takeout is as follows: ST costs $100 and equals 4 hours. TLN cost $150. I'm not sure of the total time that your are allotted for TLN. I did do TLN at Café Barrio in Cabarete. The Chica that I took out for TLN stayed with me for 16 hours. There was absolutely no issue brought up about time spent. The price was steep but I had good times with both of those women. They were nice! I don't regret anything. I went to those spots for the experience. The price didn't matter, only the experience.
Quagmire1974
01-22-17, 08:34
Some of you may know that Elvis' place in Cabarete has moved to Sosua. For those of you that don't know of what I am referring it was and is a restaurant that also has girls, the new name is Restaurante Pica Flor...It was easy to find, if you take the highway heading to Cabarete and take a left at Laguna Beach follow it to the end, go left at the end and go straight it is on the left hand side. You will know you are getting close when you cross the entrance road to Sosua Ocean Village and the road turns to dirt and goes to shit.Is it this place?:
http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3999&article=1
If so, I ate there in April 2015 when I visited Sosua (note that the Sosua-News story is from February 2015 when it had just opened up). The food was delicious but there wasn't a girl in sight except for the waitress. Makes me wonder if the owner (Marc Couturier) sold out or went into a partnership.
AGarbageMan
01-22-17, 14:04
As others have pointed out, generic Viagra is available. In pharmacies in Spanish-speaking countries like the Dominican Republic, it's know as sildenafilo generico (generic sildenafil). In Colombia and Mexico, I've purchased generic 100 MG sildenafil for between $2 and $3 per dose.Quamire1974,
Thanks for the very useful information. I don't suppose you can bring any of these drugs back to the US without a prescription?
AGarbageMan
01-22-17, 14:16
We could advise better if we knew more about you. Length of trip? Mongering experience elsewhere? Speak Spanish or French?
Sosua is not the best DR location to find the sort of chica you (and I) prefer, but it is doable. Most of the girls are take-the-money and run types. If you apply your philosophy of "keep trying until you get what you want" indiscriminately you could end up wasting a lot of money.
If you like black girls, many ex-pats and repeat visitors have learned to prefer haitianas to dominicanas because of their generally better attitude.
La Pela is generic cialis, but there are are generic Viagras available cheaply.CP,
I do not speak Spanish or any other Languages. I have no Mongering experience other than maybe 10-15 ladies in the US. I am semi retired, 65, no ties, and in great health. Originally was planning on a two week trip? I love black girls!
Charles Pooter
01-22-17, 17:40
I do not speak Spanish or any other languages. I have no Mongering experience other than maybe 10-15 ladies in the US. I am semi retired, 65, no ties, and in great health. Originally was planning on a two week trip? I love black girls!Two weeks is good. You will not feel under pressure to grab women desperately in order not to waste your time and air fare. Hard advice to follow if you arrive feeling sex-starved but I would take a day or two to relax and get the hang of things. Try to talk to other mongers at your hotel and on the beach.
That is why I recommend newbies to start at Blackbeards, if only for the first two / three nights. You can work off your sexual frustrations, get familiar with the currency and local food, and assess what flavors you will select from the North Coast box of chocolates, all in a safe environment. That still leaves you eleven nights in Sosua.
I suggest you read PuntingGeorge's excellent recent reports. He made a made a few small missteps in his hurry to bust a nut, but soon got the hang of things and had a good time. Mind you, he was only here for four nights so must have felt under pressure to get his moneys worth. Bring your own condoms and lube. American ones are expensive here and Dominican ones are rubbish.
You do not say when you will be coming, but if you have a few weeks I would try to learn numerals in Spanish and the basic greetings and courtesy words. Even a little helps.
By the way, I am not stalking you. I just feel affinity with your situation because I too first visited the DR at the age of 65. After further trips I moved here and have been living in Puerto Plata for eight years. Like you, I had done little mongering previously. A few dozen who res in the UK and on trips to Latvia (when it was cheap).
Quagmire1974
01-22-17, 18:58
Quamire1974,
Thanks for the very useful information. I don't suppose you can bring any of these drugs back to the US without a prescription?Here is a link that will explain the situation:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-advises-travelers-entry-regulations-pertaining-prescription
That being said, in the case of Colombia and Mexico, what I simply did was buy a few extra doses, remove the pills from their blister packs, and put them in an old ibuprofen bottle. The generic sildenafil that you can buy overseas at a pharmacy for $2 to $3 per dose works the same as the $15 per dose Viagra that you can buy in the United States.
Ath Trainer
01-22-17, 20:55
Here is a link that will explain the situation:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-advises-travelers-entry-regulations-pertaining-prescription
That being said, in the case of Colombia and Mexico, what I simply did was buy a few extra doses, remove the pills from their blister packs, and put them in an old ibuprofen bottle. The generic sildenafil that you can buy overseas at a pharmacy for $2 to $3 per dose works the same as the $15 per dose Viagra that you can buy in the United States.I have a old prescription label for viagra from a online pharmacy. I placed it on a bottle, and put the pills I bought in the bottle, in case I were stopped and searched, which I've never had happen returning from any foreign country.
AGarbageMan
01-23-17, 00:54
Two weeks is good. You will not feel under pressure to grab women desperately in order not to waste your time and air fare. Hard advice to follow if you arrive feeling sex-starved but I would take a day or two to relax and get the hang of things. Try to talk to other mongers at your hotel and on the beach.
That is why I recommend newbies to start at Blackbeards, if only for the first two / three nights. You can work off your sexual frustrations, get familiar with the currency and local food, and assess what flavors you will select from the North Coast box of chocolates, all in a safe environment. That still leaves you eleven nights in Sosua.
I suggest you read PuntingGeorge's excellent recent reports. He made a made a few small missteps in his hurry to bust a nut, but soon got the hang of things and had a good time. Mind you, he was only here for four nights so must have felt under pressure to get his moneys worth. Bring your own condoms and lube. American ones are expensive here and Dominican ones are rubbish.
You do not say when you will be coming, but if you have a few weeks I would try to learn numerals in Spanish and the basic greetings and courtesy words. Even a little helps.
By the way, I am not stalking you. I just feel affinity with your situation because I too first visited the DR at the age of 65. After further trips I moved here and have been living in Puerto Plata for eight years. Like you, I had done little mongering previously. A few dozen who res in the UK and on trips to Latvia (when it was cheap).CP.
I have read PuntingGeorge's post. Good stuff!
I have been to Costa Rica, Liberia region, Pacific Side, loved it. Thinking about retiring to Central America also.
Manizales911
01-23-17, 05:15
Is it this place?:
http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3999&article=1
If so, I ate there in April 2015 when I visited Sosua (note that the Sosua-News story is from February 2015 when it had just opened up). The food was delicious but there wasn't a girl in sight except for the waitress. Makes me wonder if the owner (Marc Couturier) sold out or went into a partnership.That's the place but I sure didn't see any sign of a Belgian owner, Elvis was clearly running the show. And there sure as hell was no piano there, hahaha.
Eszpresszo
01-24-17, 06:19
As others have pointed out, generic Viagra is available. In pharmacies in Spanish-speaking countries like the Dominican Republic, it's know as sildenafilo generico (generic sildenafil). In Colombia and Mexico, I've purchased generic 100 MG sildenafil for between $2 and $3 per dose.I paid 3000 Colombian Pesos for a two pack in Medellin last April. That's about 50 cents (US) apiece. I brought a few boxes back, but I should have stocked up on more. Good to know what to ask for in Sousa, as I will be visiting next month! In Colombia it was just "Sildenafilo" as it was marked on the small box. How do they come packaged in the DR, quantity-wise?
Eszpresszo
01-24-17, 06:30
Here is a link that will explain the situation:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-advises-travelers-entry-regulations-pertaining-prescription
That being said, in the case of Colombia and Mexico, what I simply did was buy a few extra doses, remove the pills from their blister packs, and put them in an old ibuprofen bottle. The generic sildenafil that you can buy overseas at a pharmacy for $2 to $3 per dose works the same as the $15 per dose Viagra that you can buy in the United States.Thanks for the link. Here is a notable line from that page: "If a USA Resident wants to bring in a controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD) but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a USA -licensed practitioner, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication into the United States."
50 dosage units? That's a decent allotment of "boner food" to bring home from one trip. Not much if it is a daily medication.
Quagmire1974
01-24-17, 17:22
That's the place but I sure didn't see any sign of a Belgian owner, Elvis was clearly running the show. And there sure as hell was no piano there, hahaha.The Belgian owner probably couldn't make the place work strictly as a restaurant. It's a somewhat out of the way location and I remember paying $10 for a taxi each way to go to and from the restaurant. But the food was delicious, I had a filet of dorado with mixed vegetables and a small salad. Let's hope Elvis thrives and prospers and that the local authorities leave him alone.
Quagmire1974
01-24-17, 17:30
How do they come packaged in the DR, quantity-wise?I'm not sure, as I never purchased sildenafilo generico in the Dominican Republic. In Mexico, I've purchased it both in one-tablet blister packs and small plastic bottles with 15 tablets inside. In Colombia, I purchased it in one-tablet blister packs packaged in a small red and white box with the manufacturer's name (GenFar) labeled on the front. Regardless of where I've bought it, it's always worked exactly the same as Viagra.
Quagmire1974
01-24-17, 17:36
"If a USA Resident wants to bring in a controlled substance (other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD) but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a USA -licensed practitioner, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication into the United States."
50 dosage units? That's a decent allotment of "boner food" to bring home from one trip. Not much if it is a daily medication.Exactly. The 20 tablets of sildenafilo generico that I purchased in Colombia (Medellin) lasted me about eight months. I don't think US Customs really cares about citizens bringing home a few pecker pills from overseas. They do, however, care a lot about that kilogram of cocaine you're trying to smuggle. Let's just say that I had a really thorough search of my carry-on luggage when I arrived from Medellin a few years ago!
Manizales911
01-25-17, 03:20
Exactly. The 20 tablets of sildenafilo generico that I purchased in Colombia (Medellin) lasted me about eight months. I don't think US Customs really cares about citizens bringing home a few pecker pills from overseas. They do, however, care a lot about that kilogram of cocaine you're trying to smuggle. Let's just say that I had a really thorough search of my carry-on luggage when I arrived from Medellin a few years ago!I had a friend that wanted to bring some sildenafil back to the states and I advised him to carry them in his pocket because the DR airports don't have the full body xray machines like the USA Has and they would not be found. He decided to put them in his check in baggage and the USA Customs found them and confiscated them. Their reason was that they were not FDA approved, if they were Viagra branded they would not have taken them.
Quagmire1974
01-25-17, 04:30
I had a friend that wanted to bring some sildenafil back to the states and I advised him to carry them in his pocket because the DR airports don't have the full body xray machines like the USA Has and they would not be found. He decided to put them in his check in baggage and the USA Customs found them and confiscated them. Their reason was that they were not FDA approved, if they were Viagra branded they would not have taken them.Wow, that sucks! I've always taken mine out of the original packaging and put them in a different, over-the-counter-medicine bottle, like ibuprofen. I guess the good news for your friend is that he only lost a few dollars.
Hey!
I was wondering if there's a good way for a visitor to avoid playing the ridiculous tourist taxes they seem to add to food bills at certain restaurants in DR (maybe just Sosua). Does it matter if I'm eating with a Dominicana and have her to pay the bill (with my cash of course)? I appreciate in advance any clues!
Rodeo.
Manizales911
01-25-17, 19:36
Hey!
I was wondering if there's a good way for a visitor to avoid playing the ridiculous tourist taxes they seem to add to food bills at certain restaurants in DR (maybe just Sosua). Does it matter if I'm eating with a Dominicana and have her to pay the bill (with my cash of course)? I appreciate in advance any clues!
Rodeo.The only way around it is not to frequent those that charge it. For instance, Bologña is one of my favorite restaurants but they charge 18 percent tax and 10 percent service fee on top of already pretty high prices. The food there is some of the best around though in my opinion.
Manizales911
01-25-17, 19:40
Wow, that sucks! I've always taken mine out of the original packaging and put them in a different, over-the-counter-medicine bottle, like ibuprofen. I guess the good news for your friend is that he only lost a few dollars.He lost more than a few dollars worth, he had quite a few pills with him and he didn't get the best price when he bought them, he resells them in the USA To friends and others for 10 bucks a pill, been doing it for awhile and this was the first time he has been caught.
Charles Pooter
01-25-17, 19:49
The only way around it is not to frequent those that charge it. For instance, Bologna is one of my favorite restaurants but they charge 18 percent tax and 10 percent service fee on top of already pretty high prices. The food there is some of the best around though in my opinion.All restaurants charge both taxes. They are obliged to do so by law. The only difference is whether they have already been included in the price (and are thus invisible to the customer) or are itemized separately on your check.
What they need to do is to state whether or not both taxes have already been included in the price shown or whether they will be added to the total. Good restaurants always do this, but many do not. If the prices are already at a level that you think is fair, and the most you are prepared to pay, then ask whether they include taxes. If not, go somewhere else (as Manizales suggests). You could then criticize the restaurant for over-pricing, but not for obeying the law.
The other dodgy issue is that the 10% tax is supposed to divided up among the staff in proportion to their salaries. In many cases the owners just pocket the money or do not divide it fairly. (Incidentally, I have never been clear if it is supposed to be divided among all employees, or only those who interface with the customers. I think many proprietors make up their own rules).
Charles Pooter
01-25-17, 19:59
I was wondering if there's a good way for a visitor to avoid playing the ridiculous tourist taxes they seem to add to food bills at certain restaurants in DR The taxes are nothing to do with tourism. They are applicable to all purchasers whether Dominican or not throughout the DR. It may be that a Dominican could negotiate a lower price, but that is nothing to do with the taxes.
Manizales911
01-25-17, 20:06
I frequent City Lights every couple of weeks, last Saturday was one of the busiest nights I have seen there, it was packed solid. I know a lot of guys don't like Haitianas and that's cool and many of the girls in City Lights couldn't pay ME to bang them but that said there are some real lookers in there if you have a little patience and look around. Very few girls will ask for more than 2000 pesos and I have had some great sessions with girls, waiting for the waitresses to get off work at 3 am Is usually a no go for me though but my friends have been with a few of them. There was this one girl I talked to that was being literally led around by the hand by her amiga / pimp. She didn't speak much spanish or english only creole but her pimp did the translating,19 years old no kids hot as hell and back again, cute as a button. I could tell she was new to the biz as she was very shy and nervous. Of course the pimp was pushing for a happy hour and I was having none of that bullshit so I got her number and I'll call her at a later date. What I like about City Lights vs. Classicos and Merengue is the music and overall vibe, I'm almost 60 and can't fucking stand the thug life rap bullshit music scene there, to each their own but it's not for me, you won't find that rap shit at City Lights and at least as many girls and generally and I emphasize the word generally, better service from the girls.
The taxes are nothing to do with tourism. They are applicable to all purchasers whether Dominican or not throughout the DR. It may be that a Dominican could negotiate a lower price, but that is nothing to do with the taxes.ITBIS = Impuesto sobre Transferencia de Bienes Industrializados why Servicios is the Dominincan Name for Value Added Tax and in most cases is included in the prices of what you buy, unlike Sales Tax in the US. However in some restaurants they do add it on afterwards, perhaps to make the price seem lower on the menu. They they add the 10% service charge too. Make sure they don't charge you service charge on the ITBIS. Smaller businesses like street food vendors or cafeterias like New Cafe don't give you any surprises on the prices.
Thanks to all for your insight on the tax question. I am now well armed with knowledge!
ITBIS = Impuesto sobre Transferencia de Bienes Industrializados why Servicios is the Dominincan Name for Value Added Tax and in most cases is included in the prices of what you buy, unlike Sales Tax in the US. However in some restaurants they do add it on afterwards, perhaps to make the price seem lower on the menu. They they add the 10% service charge too. Make sure they don't charge you service charge on the ITBIS. Smaller businesses like street food vendors or cafeterias like New Cafe don't give you any surprises on the prices.ITBIS is not included in the price at supermarkets that charge it. The disregard that DR government has towards its own people is evident in the predatory policy of taxing most food items at 18% with only very few basic items excluded. It was never an issue in the past election because there is no difference between the parties seeking to keep milking the cow. . In regard to restaurants ask for "comprobante fiscal" if they charge it. At least you will know they don't pocket the money. Refuse to pay it if they can not produce it.
Eszpresszo
01-26-17, 05:27
What I like about City Lights vs. Classicos and Merengue is the music and overall vibe, I'm almost 60 and can't fucking stand the thug life rap bullshit music scene there, to each their own but it's not for me, you won't find that rap shit at City Lights and at least as many girls and generally and I emphasize the word generally, better service from the girls.Thanks for that info, as I will be arriving in 3 weeks from today. I had a question precisely about that matter. I also despise the "the thug life rap bullshit music" and I am fine with Latin music genres. In fact, I can tolerate any music that is actually made by musicians. That said, are there other places I should avoid if I don't like that rap shit, and places where I know decent music will be played (what I call decent music is very broad, and not too restrictive)?
GringoItaliano
01-26-17, 21:10
Summary.
The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip. The quality of service plummeted, but rates doubled. The different crowd and atmosphere detracted from my experience, and the closure of Rumba had a major tactical impact on me. I had three security incidents, the first in any of my mongering trips, and my first Request for Money (RFM). I attribute my lower-quality experience to the local government's anti-puta actions and higher levels of non-monger tourism. I found only one top-notch chica to make the mongering worthwhile, so I spent much of my mongering time with her. I have no desire to return to Sosua, as its mongering now reminds me of San Jose (SJO) and Cartagena (CTG).
Caveats.
My unfavorable assessment comes with four caveats.
1) My first Sosua trip was only my second mongering trip and came after a long dry spell; the combined novelty and pent-up libido may have made it more appealing than it might have been otherwise.
2) My first Sosua trip was before my first Colombia trip; Medellin (MDE) altered my tastes and raised my standards. It is hard to compete with Colombians, as I should have learned from my later Curaao trip, when I stayed at Campo Alegre. I went there for its mix of Colombians and Dominicans but ended up with 14 Colombians and only one Dominican.
3) My first Sosua trip was in low season; this trip was in high season. I enjoyed my first trip enough to return in high season for more chicas and milder weather. In retrospect, the calmer atmosphere and different crowd of low season may have been a better fit for me. Some of my observations may thus reflect seasonal differences, rather than the crackdown impact.
4) This was my first time visiting the same place for a second time. The "been there, done that" effect may have detracted from my experience this time.
"What kind of Chica would go there now?
A few days before I left, I contacted three quality chicas that I met on my first trip. Two of them wrote that they stopped going to Sosua because they feared the police. One of them further commented that the crackdown changed the type of chicas that Sosua attracts and retains; "what kind of chica would go there now?" In other words, what kind of girl would accept the heightened risk of arrest to make money? This observation may explain the lower quality of service that I observed. Perhaps chicas willing to accept this heightened risk are either more desperate for money or hardened pros. Hardened pros may not provide the best service, and high levels of financial desperation probably do not inspire quality service. Such chicas may also be risk-takers, providing lower-quality service than more conservative chicas that see the value of attracting and retaining repeat clients with good service. The best chicas that I met last time were more like sugar babies than hardened pros: college girls trying to earn pocket money on weekends and maybe even have a good time with a decent guy.
I realize that the chica industry has a high turnover rate, but I recognized only three or four chicas from my previous trip just seven months earlier. All of the other chicas were brand new to me.
Half the quality at twice the price.
The risk of arrest may partially explain the major rate increases. On average, I paid twice what I paid seven months before. According to some chicas, they want higher rates because they need a larger stash to bribe themselves out of jail or in order to justify the risk of arrest. Perhaps skyrocketing prices may also attract new chicas that would normally avoid this business but find the higher rates irresistible, and perhaps such chicas may provide lower-quality service. Chicas were also less flexible on rates this time. Many chicas on my last trip asked me to name my price, and they always accepted my first offer. Seven months later, only a few asked me to name my price, and none of them accepted my first offers.
I received many unsolicited offers for "happy hours" or two-girl sessions, from chicas that approached me on this trip. Happy hours never came up at all during my first trip. I declined, as I knew that such offers in SJO and CTG were frequently scams or set-ups for a robbery.
On this trip, chicas were much more aggressive in trying to milk me for "gifts" (I. E. Money for nothing), drinks, and food, even after I indicated my lack of interest in them. Only one chica that I met on my first trip asked me to buy her a bottle of water; I later aborted my session with her because she asked for payment up front.
This trip yielded my first explicit RFM. I kept in touch with chicas that I met on my other trips; some of them either implicitly sought money by alluding to financial hardship, while others explicitly encouraged me to return for repeat business, but none of them explicitly asked me to wire them a large, specific amount of money, as did the top-notch chica with whom I spent much of this trip. Perhaps this first explicit RFM finally happened to me because I spent more time than usual with one chica, or because Sosua chicas have grown greedier.
Non-monger Tourism.
Increased non-monger tourism may further explain the rate increases and lower-quality service, not unlike some SJO or CTG chicas that prey on uninformed non-monger tourists who visit those places for other reasons and might spontaneously pick up a chica. Such clients may not know what rates and level of service to expect and may not push for the best value for their money like dedicated mongers.
During my first trip, most visitors appeared to be dedicated mongers, with high proportions of African-Americans and New Yorkers. During this trip, more visitors appeared to be non-monger tourists, including families with children and married couples. Germans appeared to constitute most of this increase. Several chicas with whom I spoke expressed distaste for Germans, describing them as: a) cheapskates; b) heavy smokers or drinkers; c) boring; or d) old, fat, and ugly. To be honest, I can understand why chicas might push for more money if they have to screw such guys.
Security Incidents.
I had no major security incidents in prior trips to Sosua, SJO, MDE, CTG, and Curacao. I had three security incidents during this Sosua trip. I attribute this difference to the attraction of more desperate or predatory chicas to the new Sosua and more non-monger tourists, who may be less security-conscious.
1) An aggressive chica smacked me on the back of the head when I spurned her advances on Pedro Clisante. The blow knocked off my glasses. She was dumb enough to hit me in front of the tourist police, who arrested her.
2) An aggressive chica began following me, grabbing me, and asking to join me at my hotel (New Garden) as I was walking back from the casino late at night. (I would rather lose my wallet than crack my head open on a motoconcho). My chica repellant tactics did not work, and as it became clear that I did not want to screw her, she offered me cocaine. Once it became clear that I did not want cocaine either, two more chicas ganged up on me and began grabbing me too. I felt a hand reaching for the front pocket containing my wallet. I grabbed her arm and twisted it away from my pocket. She cried out in pain; they ran away empty-handed.
3) A chica offered me a massage as I walked from NG to Pedro Clisante. I declined, to which she responded by pulling out a steak knife, holding it in front of me, and asking, "why don't you want a massage?" I brushed her arm out of my way and continued walking past her. Other chicas laughed, and perhaps this was a joke to mock aggressive chicas, but brandishing a lethal weapon is not a laughing matter; perhaps this would have ended differently if I had shown fear or reacted aggressively.
Chicas are either more aggressive or less approachable.
I found that most chicas were moderately approachable during my first trip. I could flirt with them from a distance, and usually they would either come over to me or beckon to me to approach them. There were some aggressive chicas, but they were easy enough to repel. Some chicas were harder or too difficult to approach, either because they were engrossed in their phones or more interested in talking to their chica wingwoman.
This happy medium has shrunk. There were more aggressive chicas, and they were more aggressive. There were more chicas that made the first move in general, including many with more subtle approaches. I turned them away, as I have found that a chica who approaches a gringo is usually deficient in appearance or performance (if not both), a scam artist, or a security risk. I learned from Colombia that, if and when a chica goes against the grain of the machismo of her own culture to take the initiative with a man, there must be something wrong with her. The best chicas do not need to approach a man, as men will come to them. Conversely, I also found more chicas harder to approach, and I got cold or tepid responses from more of them than I have anywhere else. One chica explicitly turned me away right off the bat, which never happened to me before on any other trips. I attribute these shifts to: a) greater desperation or greed on the part of aggressive or proactive chicas; and b) changes in the venues that made it harder to observe and flirt with chicas from afar before approaching them.
The closure of Rumba and Restrictions on Bars.
I believe that the closure of Rumba has had a more substantial impact on the mongering scene than merely shifting the action to other venues and the street in the evening and early nighttime hours. This assertion comes with the caveat that I am pickier than most mongers about the physical settings in which I hunt for chicas, as I believe that it can have a major impact on one's selection of chicas and the pre-session rapport building that can often make or break a session. I also prefer to do most of my mongering in the evening and early nighttime, which was Rumba's niche, so my observations may be less applicable to other mongers that prefer daytime or late night venues.
The loss of Rumba means that you must move around a lot more in the evening and early nighttime. That might not have been a big deal in January, when the temperature was mild, but it will definitely suck when it is hot in summer. I also like to observe a chica at length before approaching her, in order to gauge her receptiveness and see what she is like when she is not trying to sell herself to you. Many chicas change their demeanor once you get them back to your room, so I want to see the real personality that might reveal itself behind closed doors before I approach them. It was easy to observe a chica at length in the "one-stop shopping" environment of Rumba, but the diffusion of the evening and early nighttime action across the strip and the constant movement of chicas up and down the strip during those hours made it harder for me to do so.
The need to move around during those hours also means giving up your favorite observation perch in my case, the Bourbon Street bar. Its elevation gives a better view of the action, and the seat closest to the street enables you to talk to chicas walking up and down it. The bar is small and was thus often full. Bourbon Street appears to have absorbed much of the evening and early nighttime action that used to be at Rumba, but at the end of the day it is still a restaurant more than a pick-up joint. I did not pull any chicas inside Bourbon Street but did initially observe some walking up and down the street from my perch at the bar and pulled them later at other spots.
I repeatedly checked out City Lights, but there was usually not as much action there, and the chica demographic there struck me as less attractive overall. It also smelled heavily of smoke.
I sometimes had to pull chicas directly from the street, as that was where I first spotted them and I was not sure if and when I might have another chance to talk to them. They were less likely to be engrossed in their phones or conversations with their wingwomen on the street, and it is easier to make eye contact if you are walking down the street in opposite directions. The problem with pulling chicas from the street is that it is not a good place to have conversations that set the right tone for a good session, and, according to some chicas, it puts them at greater risk of arrest.
The best spot on the street to find chicas is outside Merengue, where many of them wait to enter. I found it useful to offer to escort them into Merengue, which is not only a better place than the street to have a conversation, but the offer is also a good icebreaker and builds good will; you start off by doing her a small favor, as she may have better odds of finding clients if she is in Merengue. Merengue and the street outside it were the source of most of my pulls. I preferred Merengue to Classico because of its lighting, seating, earlier hours, and lower music volume. It nonetheless shares Classico's overcrowding and inward-facing rectangular layout, which I found uncomfortable and an obstacle to engaging chicas, in contrast to Rumba's open, amorphous, and spacious layout.
Starfish.
During this trip, only one chica was a top-notch performer, and another one was good, and those two turned out to be sisters. There were two other satisfactory performers, and the other four were duds. I pulled fewer chicas on this trip (eight) because it became clear that the talent pool had deteriorated, so I spent more time than usual with that one top-notch chica, rather than waste my time, money, and energy by continuing to shop around.
This assessment comes with the caveat that Colombians in general and MDE in particular changed my tastes and raised my standards. I am now pickier about appearance; I previously settled for 7's and 8's but now go for 9's and 10's. This strategy works in Colombia, where there are so many smoking-hot women that they are less likely to develop complacent attitudes and thus less likely to perform poorly. This strategy might not work as well in countries with normal, non-Colombian levels of chica hotness, where the hottest chicas may also be poor performers because they can get by on their appearance. The consistently high quality of service at the MDE Mansion and some of the solid Colombian performers that I found in CTG and Curaao have also raised the bar for my performance expectations.
The term "starfish" is an apt description of the four duds that I pulled. These chicas were dead weight and would hardly do anything other than open their mouths and spread their legs, and it was often impossible or prohibitively difficult to even get them to move or change positions. They lacked the intensity that I had found in Sosua before, and their erotic skills were mediocre at best. The sessions were as bad as those that other mongers have described in which they made the mistake of paying chicas in advance except I did not pay these chicas in advance. Indeed, one of the few consolations of this trip was that it was the first time that not a single chica asked me for payment up front.
The two satisfactory chicas had one thing in common: cocomordan, or the contraction of pelvic floor muscles to massage a cock inside their pussies. According to one of those two chicas, though, her cocomordan was an involuntary response to sexual arousal and thus not a conscious skill or effort.
On the bright side, there was one improvement in one area. Out of all the chicas with whom I had substantive negotiations, not a single one insisted on CBJ, and all of them were open to BBBJ. This development would normally be quite positive, but in this case it was irrelevant or moot, as so many of them lacked quality cocksucking skills anyway, and my strong preference for BBBJ was not enough to outweigh the overall lower quality of service. Another odd trend that I observed was that every single chica sucked my cock in a position perpendicular to my body; not a single one would get between my legs to do it, which I prefer for the visual stimulation and mutual eye contact. It was as if the "Sosua puta union" had decided on new blowjob rules for all the chicas to follow.
The Flaquita Sisters.
After a few initial duds, I decided to seek a flaquita, rather than the thicker, statuesque tits & ass types that I usually prefer. My rationale was that, if the chicas are now dead weight, I should find a chica who was small and light enough to use as a fuckdoll more easily than the taller, thicker chicas that I normally pull. As it turned out, the flaquita that I pulled was a top-notch performer.
I initially spotted her walking down Pedro Clisante from my perch at the Bourbon Street bar. She had long and curly blonde hair and was very short and thin. I kept an eye out for her and later found her waiting outside Merengue, where we made eye contact and approached each other at the same time, and I felt almost instant chemistry. I would like to think that the good time that we had resulted at least in part from mutual attraction; if not, it was a very persuasive, Academy Award-winning act on her part.
I took her back to NG for a solid session. She distinguished herself by actually staying for an hour, unlike most chicas, who interpret "one hour" as "one leche and then I leave." Her quality post-leche GFE fired us up for a second round and my second leche. She had good BBBJ, but her pussy and her ability to ride my cock were top-notch. She used her small and tight cocomordan pussy to massage my cock inside it (I think that she controlled it consciously). I often find it hard to leche inside a condom after screwing a lot on a mongering trip, but her pussy popped my leche inside a condom every time. I thought about extending our first hour into a TLN, but I was exhausted and wanted to shop around a bit more before committing to a TLN so early into my trip.
I shopped around more the next night, but the two chicas that I pulled were only marginally better than my initial pulls, so I instead decided to do my first TLN with this flaquita the following night. I was initially hesitant to repeat, as I have found that some chicas become complacent and do not perform as well the second time, as they think that they have you hooked and do not have to work for it anymore. Her performance was just as good this time, and the GFE improved as we bonded.
I shopped around more the night after that TLN and pulled another flaquita she was taller and had darker hair, but something about her reminded me of the first flaquita. I later learned after the session that this second flaquita was the little sister of the first flaquita! Small world. Her performance was good not top-notch like her older sister, as she clearly had less experience and was newer to the game than her older sister and seemed a bit nervous. She was nonetheless on par with the chicas on my last trip and better than any other chicas from this trip, except her sister. I shopped around again later that night and pulled another chica that was just satisfactory.
It was now clear that I was not going to find better chicas outside this family, so my last night was a second TLN with the first sister (the second went home). Her performance was consistent with our first two sessions, and the GFE improved as we got to know each other better. She informed me that she had a European passport and could thus visit me in New York. After I returned home, she further explained that she needed to renew her European passport and asked me to send her 10,000 DOP for that purpose.
Summary....Now that was a quality field report. Thanks for posting it. I got a lot of current information by reading it.
I enjoyed your report. After 2 trips you are still a newby, Being a lone wolf in Sosua is a challenge. Picking girls the hours you chose increased the odds of pulling the bad ones. The hot girls come at night dressed and ready to rumble. The early evening girls can not compete with the late night girls. Like you said they are hit and run. This makes sense because the guys have almost no desire to repeat. Therefore the girls make no pretence of GFE. AS far as pricing we had a guy who was there the same time as you who claimed he had several girls accept 1000 pesos. The best girls in Sosua are the Thursday through Sunday who come in from all over the country.
In truth once you have tasted the Colombian women it is hard to compete. What God does not give them they buy from plastic surgeons.
Now that was a quality field report. Thanks for posting it. I got a lot of current information by reading it.
Summary.
The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip. The quality of service plummeted, but rates doubled. The different crowd and atmosphere detracted from my experience, and the closure of Rumba had a major tactical impact on me. I had three security incidents, the first in any of my mongering trips, and my first Request for Money (RFM). I attribute my lower-quality experience to the local government's anti-puta actions and higher levels of non-monger tourism. I found only one top-notch chica to make the mongering worthwhile, so I spent much of my mongering time with her. I have no desire to return to Sosua, as its mongering now reminds me of San Jose (SJO) and Cartagena (CTG)..Thanks for the honest report on your trip.
A couple of comments.
Any newbie reading that report, might think twice before going to Sosua.
I'm not sure what the ratio is but we have many positive reports on Sosua.
You yourself give a few reasons your experience was not up to expectations.
The comparison game:
If you prefer Columbians, of Europeans, you are obviously going to be disappointed with Haitians and Dominicanas.
Quality:
Always in the eye of the beholder. Some like an obvious anonymous slu**, that will go down in 5 seconds, while others prefer a well groomed GFE.
I've been going there for years now, and even in the "good old days" I would't touch 90% of the chicas there. They tend to put out publicly what they'll deliver. From the outrageously tightly dressed chicas in gangs screaming at each other in front of Rumba (Hardcore), to the finer dressed ones sitting quietly in some of the quieter bars or waiting for Classico (Pros), there's always a customer. Then there are the girls who work in the bars, restaurants and shops (Semis). Obviously these are the ones most likely to be clean, non violent, personable and safe around money. It's not rocket science, you don't need a degree.
The closer their proximity to Pedro Cliente the harder they are, but that's where the nightly show is that attracts the most mongers. It's fun to watch. You don't have to move much further away to find a quiter scene.
Street hookers will always ask you for money, or a propina, or a regalo para bambina, even after you have paid them. There's a way to deal with that, which brings me to my next point.
You, like a certain "Jerry" we met down their had far more than the average altercations with hookers on the street. Scary stories like yours, but it was obvious to us that the problem was his. He wasn't aware that he was in a different country and culture.
Myself and my buddy have never had any of those experiences, even though we know personally a lot of those spa and nail salon girls on DR Rosen. (I usually get down there first and as a joke I get the hottest one from her mama san, to come with me to greet my hard working and overstressed NA buddy as he gets off the plane. "She want's to marry you!" I tell him, and we all enjoy a beer and a laugh, on the way to town.
Some of the less attractive ones live hopelessly poor lives, so that at first sign of insult (they are human, and they DO get insulted) they can blow up. The average monger walking down the street should not worry unless he is approached by a group, and engages them. That applies anywhere.
And getting back to your hotel is not a choice between a cracked skull and a street altercation, for most.
I've been going back and hooking up with a regular for years now, but in my experience I am spending less time with this regular and more time with high quality fresh stuff, from the other 10%, pros and semis.
I can't wait to get back there and neither can my buddy.
You are best served by sticking to what you know and love!
But how was the food? :)
Summary.
The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip. The quality of service plummeted, but rates doubled. The different crowd and atmosphere detracted from my experience, and the closure of Rumba had a major tactical impact on me. I had three security incidents, the first in any of my mongering trips, and my first Request for Money (RFM). I attribute my lower-quality experience to the local government's anti-puta actions and higher levels of non-monger tourism. I found only one top-notch chica to make the mongering worthwhile, so I spent much of my mongering time with her. I have no desire to return to Sosua, as its mongering now reminds me of San Jose (SJO) and Cartagena (CTG).
Half the quality at twice the price.
The risk of arrest may partially explain the major rate increases. On average, I paid twice what I paid seven months before. According to some chicas, they want higher rates because they need a larger stash to bribe themselves out of jail or in order to justify the risk of arrest. Perhaps skyrocketing prices may also attract new chicas that would normally avoid this business but find the higher rates irresistible, and perhaps such chicas may provide lower-quality service. Chicas were also less flexible on rates this time. Many chicas on my last trip asked me to name my price, and they always accepted my first offer. Seven months later, only a few asked me to name my price, and none of them accepted my first offers.1st off you provided a substantive report and account of your perspective and experience. Much of what you provided concerning chicas attitudes, greediness and poor service, I concur with. Your caveats and reasonable doubts to your assessments means you are aware that there may be more things that can be considered.
Due to your detail, I had to read your report a few times to try to grasp some of the most noteworthy content. I'd like to add and respond to a few things. Your 1st trip was last May / June. And this trip was mid Jan 2017. Last trip you said there were more AF mongers, and more from NY. This trip less mongers, more family presence etc.
A lot can be said about timing when it comes to vacationing in the DR and Sosua in particular. Your mid Jan 2017 trip also involves 3 recent major events that may have had a huge impact on the volume of chicas on hand in Sosua. Christmas and New Years. Another holiday just passed a few days ago. (don't remember the name) Another was a rainy season that had a significant impact on chicas, mongers and businesses. A large number of chicas had a hard time finding places to seek refuge from the rain.
Few chicas might have hooked up with clients for a few days. But that is not most of the chicas MO to stay with one client. They want to be out and about. Many chicas were and are away from Sosua during these events. And what is / was left is what I call the Chica p4 p skeleton crew. Many chicas sought other venues. In Cabarete, in Puerto Plata. or many stay home and using the internet to score. Or they have clients that can visit them in the town where they live. No need for sosua then.
Those left in Sosua, they are the scavengers left to pick up the slack and take advantage of the absence of other chicas. Chances are what's left behind are more of what you described. But make no mistake, you are correct overall about a lot of chicas being less approachable and standoffish. We can blame social media for part of that. Because our devices makes many of us/them less sociable. We talk less, and we text more. Even my friends back in the states rarely pick up the phone to talk. It's always a text. Friend sends me a text asking me to pick him up from the airport. No call, a text.
So now, with chicas the one on one social aspect is impacted by how we relate to each other. We text more, and talk less. Chicas figure less time with one client means more time to secure more clients. Those clients on vacation trying to wife up a chica, arent paying enough. Plus once he's gone, she has to hustle to make up for what she could have made with several clients ( regulars or newbies ). So GFE may be harder to get, and many don't care about BFE.
A lot of these chicas behavior/attitudes is formed from being exposed to whats on the internet and TV. They see women acting a certain way towards men, and that is how many start behaving themselves. More and more distant from their culture. Many of these women do not appear to be domesticated. That are willing and able to cook, clean for a man. So what we see is mostly women with a hustler mentality. More pretense of personal interest at the time of meeting. But mostly all business when it's over. But if they see you again, they may try to act interested in seeing you again when they want some money.
Enough mongers are wising up to the chicas games and strategies with mongers. Resulting enough men not taking these women seriously, and putting up with their BS. So enough chicas get salty to the fact that guys arent fawning all over them like they are generally used to.
In Rumba, more guys might be open to buying a chica a drink and interacting with her and her friends. Bourbon Street, it's different. People tend to be less sociable at Bourbon Street, and stick with their own company. Women look like they are mean mugging while they sitting around waiting to be noticed. It's harder for some guys to want to approach women that do not look friendly. Rumba had a cozier atmosphere due to the low lighting. Bourbon Street is lit up like a Christmas tree in comparison. And it seems more like a restaurant than a meeting place, like Rumba.
When women rolled into Rumba, the 1st place they went was to the bathroom to primp and prepare. It gave guys a chance to peek out the talent as soon as they walked in. Often times women would be in dresses and high heels even at 9 or 10 pm. At BS, chicas might be in flats all night. So some things are different in how chicas present themselves depending on where they post up.
Other things came to mind from your post. You being a 2nd time visitor to Sosua, your newness to the scene and how things work, probably captured the attention of every barracuda you came across in Sosua. Prices do not double just because a chica says so. You / we always have the power to say no thanks and walk away and find one who meets your criteria.
I suspect that you may have been more passive when it got to the point of discussing price? Whereas if you consistently told chicas what you can / will pay 1st, you would come off as having more control. Guys who bother to ask chicas how much they want, have a 90% chance that she will shoot for the stars.
My point is, you can't ask these chicas how much they want or even entertain that. A guy needs to tell them how much he will pay. He can work from that. I think many chicas are flexible when it comes to offering them what they can accept. But you ask a chica her price, and just like anybody in the DR, they are going to get stupid with it just in case you are too. I tried to buy a waist pouch from a Sosua vender, and he wanted 1000 pesos when I can get the same thing for 300 pesos in La Sirena supermarket. He wouldn't budge. No problem. But the thing is, I asked for the price instead of showing him what I will pay. Taxis are the same way. You ask a taxi how much, and he is likely to give you some price much higher than the going rate.
So that's the mentality / strategy for enough locals when dealing with foreigners. It's not double the price unless you accept it. Quality of service, now that's another issue entirely. We do not have much control over their performance. We only have control over who we choose to provide the service.
Like I said, your newness may have had some impact on how you were perceived and approached. Whereas someone else known to these chicas may be dealt with differently.
I've said this before. Sosua is developing it's own rep as a destination equipped with it's own challenges. For many it requires work. A good time is not guaranteed or held out for you on a silver platter. And depending on who you are, how you carry yourself, who you expose yourself to, time of day, current events, venues, available chicas, cock blocking mongers, wind direction, and where the moon and sun is positioned, your experience can vary 180 degrees from one vacation to the next.
Thats the beauty of Sosua. It's never stagnate. It is ever changing. It can be a shithole and a paradise all at the same time, or alternately. A lot depends on the individual and their ability to adapt, and operate on a level outside of their comfort zone. For those that can't or won't, they may not be heard from again. But Sosua will continue to satisfy those that can adapt. For those that do not make mongering their only activity on limited time, I suspect they get a lot more enjoyment / fulfillment in Sosua than those that do.
These are just opinions and perspective. It is not any accurate or thorough account of Sosua or it's participants.
PuntingGeorge
01-27-17, 16:42
The mongering in my second, mid-January 2017 Sosua trip paled in comparison to my first, May-June 2016 trip...First of all kudos for stealing my crown by having the longest post on this thread for 2017!
I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, however, I'd like to second Oakie's concern that a newbie reading your report would likely be put off from going.
I can't speak to how Sosua has changed, as I've only been there once, however, I will say that we stayed in the same area, passed the same massage parlour, frequented the same bars and I had an awesome and safe time. Sure it wasn't all perfect, but I think I did well for going into my first trip completely blind.
You don't mention what you paid, only that it was double what you paid on your first trip, but exactly one month ago I was consistently paying 1,000 for decent short time sessions and had the option of a TLN with a really nice Haitian, who I will contact when I next go down, for 2,500.
Of course people should be aware of the safety risks and take all the usual precautions with hiding their valuables, not carrying too much with them etc, but my impression from the reports on here is that Sosua is a lot safer than people might otherwise imagine from reading your report.
You say your standard was 9's and 10's. I'm sure you'll agree that's going to significantly reduce your odds of finding a suitable chica. No one goes expecting to have countless chicas popping down to the strip straight from their glamour shoot every evening. I believe most people, especially newbies, would be more than happy spending 1,000 - 1,500 for consistent 7's and 8's, with the odd disappointment and occasional superstar to balance things out, and that's what they can expect down there (of course the criteria for rating will be different for each monger).
Anyway, I'll check out the Medellin thread and maybe add it to my list of travel destinations. If it outranks Sosua by such a big margin, it must be what the preacher was talking about when he said we'll get to go to paradise if we do good deeds.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 17:17
Picking girls the hours you chose increased the odds of pulling the bad ones. The hot girls come at night dressed and ready to rumble. The early evening girls can not compete with the late night girls.I do not think that the hours that I chose had anything to do with my lower-quality experiences on this trip. I pulled girls at the same hours on my last trip and had much better sessions with them. The differences were that I pulled them at Rumba last time, and that the girls had a better vibe and attitude seven months ago.
I also think that you are confusing appearance and performance. My complaints had nothing to do with how hot the girls were, but rather with the quality of their service. They were quite hot hotter, in fact, than the girls that I pulled on my last trip. In fact, that might have been part the problem. They were so hot that they were complacent and felt less of a need to develop and use their erotic skills. In my opinion, only the Colombians seem immune to that unfortunate tendency of the hottest girls to be the weakest performers.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 17:20
AS far as pricing we had a guy who was there the same time as you who claimed he had several girls accept 1000 pesos Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.
Eszpresszo
01-27-17, 17:47
Being a lone wolf in Sosua is a challenge. Picking girls the hours you chose increased the odds of pulling the bad ones. The hot girls come at night dressed and ready to rumble. The early evening girls can not compete with the late night girls.
In truth once you have tasted the Colombian women it is hard to compete. What God does not give them they buy from plastic surgeons.Can you please clarify what time frame you mean by "the hours"? Also, as a lone wolf about to arrive in a few weeks, I'm curious what the challenge is, by not having a wingman. I've always done okay on my own in Berlin, Medellin and Pattaya. You mentioned Colombian women, who were in my opinion, the least enthusiastic performers I've experienced, so I am not sure what you are referring when you say they can't compete. Lovely women for sure. Possibly my favorite so far as regards to looks, but also disappointing to tell you the truth. However, my experience with working girls so far has been that appearance often works inverse to service and performance. This was confirmed during my trip to Thailand last month. But, maybe you can clarify what your experience has been.
Thanks.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 17:48
You, like a certain "Jerry" we met down their had far more than the average altercations with hookers on the street. Scary stories like yours, but it was obvious to us that the problem was his. He wasn't aware that he was in a different country and culture.
Myself and my buddy have never had any of those experiences, even though we know personally a lot of those spa and nail salon girls on DR Rosen. (I usually get down there first and as a joke I get the hottest one from her mama san, to come with me to greet my hard working and overstressed NA buddy as he gets off the plane. "She want's to marry you!" I tell him, and we all enjoy a beer and a laugh, on the way to town.
Some of the less attractive ones live hopelessly poor lives, so that at first sign of insult (they are human, and they DO get insulted) they can blow up. The average monger walking down the street should not worry unless he is approached by a group, and engages them. That applies anywhere.I cannot speak for "Jerry," but I was well aware that I was in a different country and culture and acted accordingly, as I have always done in the more than 30 countries around the world that I have visited; the problem was not mine. When I declined the advances of aggressive chicas, I did so politely but firmly and used culturally appropriate tactics that served me well in SJO, CTG, MDE, and Curacao and on my last trip to Sosua without incident. I never insulted any of them unless their sense of self-entitlement was so strong that they viewed rejection itself as an insult.
Instead, I suggest that post-crackdown Sosua may have begun to attract a different crowd of chicas who have less or no fear of arrest. Now, what kind of girls are more willing to accept the now-heightened risk of arrest? Criminals, possibly including the types of chicas who are willing to rob or stab a gringo. I believe that such a shifting demographic could explain why I had three security incidents in this one trip to Sosua and no security incidents in any of my mongering previous trips to Sosua, SJO, CTG, MDE, or Curacao.
Manizales911
01-27-17, 18:32
Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.Depends on where, to whom and when you are making the offer. I know a few guys that NEVER pay more than 1000.
Manizales911
01-27-17, 18:39
Anyway, I'll check out the Medellin thread and maybe add it to my list of travel destinations. If it outranks Sosua by such a big margin, it must be what the preacher was talking about when he said we'll get to go to paradise if we do good deeds.I have spent a lot of time in Colombia and now I live in Sosua and can tell you that Medellin blows Sosua out of the water when it comes to the girls, Sosua is cheaper, closer, warmer and has beaches. But Colombia has the best pu $$why.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 19:02
A lot can be said about timing when it comes to vacationing in the DR and Sosua in particular. Your mid Jan 2017 trip also involves 3 recent major events that may have had a huge impact on the volume of chicas on hand in Sosua. Christmas and New Years. Another holiday just passed a few days ago. (don't remember the name) Another was a rainy season that had a significant impact on chicas, mongers and businesses. A large number of chicas had a hard time finding places to seek refuge from the rain.
Few chicas might have hooked up with clients for a few days. But that is not most of the chicas MO to stay with one client. They want to be out and about. Many chicas were and are away from Sosua during these events. And what is / was left is what I call the Chica p4 p skeleton crew. Many chicas sought other venues. In Cabarete, in Puerto Plata. or many stay home and using the internet to score. Or they have clients that can visit them in the town where they live. No need for sosua then.
Those left in Sosua, they are the scavengers left to pick up the slack and take advantage of the absence of other chicas. Chances are what's left behind are more of what you described. The chica turnout and the breadth of chica selection during my stay was good definitely higher and wider than they were during my last trip in May-June 2016, when I received much better service from a much lower chica turnout and a narrower selection of chicas.
I see your point about the "skeleton crew" effect and its potential implications on the quality of service, and perhaps the higher turnout and wider selection of chicas that I observed on this trip were still relatively low for high season. However, would that same skeleton crew effect occur in low season, E. G. May-June 2016, when I was there last time and received much better service from a much lower chica turnout and a smaller selection of chicas?
There's a lot of good commenting going on here, and it is not necessarily contradicting anybody's actual experience. A lot of the viewpoints are different, but valid.
For the first time ever, I agreed with a Wrexxy post.
There are so many variables he mentions, as well as some he doesn't, like how much money you have to spend, how presentable yourself are, or enjoy the challenge of the negotiating process, and many, many more.
Unless you are wifed up, you will be unlikely to duplicate a previous trip, and that can be bad or good. It's a box of chocolates.
But two things!
I always come home happy and satisfied and ready to go back.
And I now want to go to Columbia! :)
Depends on where, to whom and when you are making the offer. I know a few guys that NEVER pay more than 1000.True. One guy I know from London, routinely pays 1000 for his "selections". Granted none of them may meet a lot of guys standards in terms of appearance. But from his reports enough of them were average to above average in terms of performance (again his standards).
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 20:09
You being a 2nd time visitor to Sosua, your newness to the scene and how things work, probably captured the attention of every barracuda you came across in Sosua.
Like I said, your newness may have had some impact on how you were perceived and approached. Whereas someone else known to these chicas may be dealt with differently. I doubt that my relative newness to Sosua was a major factor in these experiences. I was even newer to Sosua on my first trip than I was on this second trip, and I received much better service and pricing on my first trip than I did on my second trip. If my relative newness to Sosua were a major factor, the results would have been the other way around.
If my relative newness to Sosua was a factor, though, I believe it was only because of the presence of more "barracudas," to use your fitting term for predatory chicas. As I suggested in my report, I suspect that post-crackdown Sosua now attracts a higher proportion of barracudas, who may be more willing to accept the heightened risk of arrest than the nicer girls. Perhaps there were fewer barracudas around on my first trip to take advantage of me as a total newbie, as I had only a few minor hiccups on that trip that I solved easily enough and otherwise received mostly good service at a reasonable price. If that was the case, I would say that post-crackdown Sosua is now suffering from a barracuda infestation.
Even if there are now more barracudas, though, I do not believe that they succeeded in deliberately targeting me as a newbie to exploit. I only engaged chicas that I chose, and I turned away each and every chica that approached me or otherwise made the first move including many that might have been barracudas that approached me because they smelled fresh meat.
Based on my own experience, I am skeptical of that guy's claim that several girls accepted 1000 pesos, barring extreme circumstances or unusual factors (E. G. Slow business, the girl is just average-looking, etc.) I offered some girls hourly rates in the typical pre-crackdown price range (1500-2000 pesos). They all rejected those offers, and some seemed offended at what they may have genuinely viewed as a lowball offer. It took me a while and some trial and error to figure out that the "Sosua puta union" decided to raise prices across the board.I had a discussion with a buddy recently about how the exchange rate along with mongers spending habits may have impacted chicas demands within the Sosua Puta Union. .
I was asking him to compare the exchange rate today to lets say 4 1/2 years ago when it might have been 40 pesos to 1 usd. So 100 usd could get you 4000 pesos. 2000 pesos would be $50 usd. 1500 would be about $38. Fast forward to now where it is almost 47 to 1. 100 usd is 4700 pesos, 2000 is 42 usd, and 1500 would be 32.
For a lot of guys, they have not factored or have been concerned that chicas may have been paying attention to the increase in the exchange rate (usd in particular). If a chica asked for 2500 for an hour today, how much is that at 47 to 1? About $53usd . .3000 pesos is $63usd . .
What was 2500 41/2 years ago at 40 to 1? About 62.50. So relatively speaking, 2000 to 2500 for an hour at todays exchange rate is not that bad (for us the monger). However, this isn't to say that guys should lay down and accept chicas demands. Just take it into consideration that we are better off due to the exchange rate in our favor than we realize. And that we might take advantage of that and be more flexible during negotiations. Especially if we are talking about $10 or $20 dollar differences.
The main issue for many of us, is can I get a decent performance for whatever I pay for? Many of us can be flexible if we knew that a higher price also came with good service. The problem is, seldom they do not go hand in hand. And thats the issue many of us have moreso than the markup in price.
I was away visiting in the states for almost a month. When I got back, I was ready to pounce. So I got with 4 regulars (all average, but attractive) each night for 5 nights. Paid 2700 to the 1st one for all night. The 2nd one 3000 for all night and that included a pedicure, the 3rd 2700,3000 for the 4th, and I repeated with the 1st one (my pretend girlfriend) and gave her 1000 pesos, some loose change, and an extended battery for her cell phone. Every chica came over before 9:30 pm to spend the night. Price was never discussed with any of these women. I paid them what I wanted. They did not want money directly in their hands. I had to put it in their purses.
Only two I hit again in the morning. I have paid only 2200 for all night with many regulars. The sessions are / were very passionate and freaky. I felt generous, hence the reason for giving these women a little extra. It's possible they may be available to me even during Super Bowl week (I almost doubt it) when guys are ready to unload their wallets on chicas. These women's loyalty will likely be to who ever pays them the most, not to who pays regularly. They got to get that money from guys on short time. Guys like me aint going nowhere. I'm considered low priority.
Thing is arrangements like these are not uncommon. One does not have to live here to establish regulars. But it may take some time to establish connections like that. I know some chicas I can get for 1000. The problem for them is that many of them do not have a phone. So it's not easy to reach them or go looking for them. When we do connect, Its bang zoom. Even though it's only 1000, I still may give them a tip. I just like to make sure I establish what the price is with them. Make sure were still on the same page.
Two different vacations by any individual does not define Sosua or it's participants. It's always your mileage may differ from one vacation to the next. I do not mean that one should keep coming to Sosua, just that that is how it is here. One day I might make it to more destinations so I have something to compare my experiences with. Other than that I also enjoy the non monger aspects of Sosua.
Mr Enternational
01-27-17, 21:05
Just take it into consideration that we are better off due to the exchange rate in our favor than we realize. And that we might take advantage of that and be more flexible during negotiations.Of course your dick would think that way because it is thinking about the here and now. But what happens when the exchange rate goes to not being in your favor? They are going to be used to getting that 2500, but it is going to cost you much more. That is one reason you want to think in local currency and not your currency back home.
Exact thing happened in Rio. Years ago when the exchange rate was 3.89 mfs were balling and didn't think twice about giving a chick 300 reais for LT - it was only $77. Well the exchange rate slid back to 1.52, which now meant that 300 reais was $197. They are not going to want to hear that exchange rate shit. They are going to want that same money and more than likely more. Today the exchange rate is 3.14 and even the skanks are asking 300 - 400 reais ($95-$127) PER HOUR. Be careful is all I can say.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 21:15
Prices do not double just because a chica says so. You / we always have the power to say no thanks and walk away and find one who meets your criteria.
I suspect that you may have been more passive when it got to the point of discussing price? Whereas if you consistently told chicas what you can / will pay 1st, you would come off as having more control. Guys who bother to ask chicas how much they want, have a 90% chance that she will shoot for the stars.
My point is, you can't ask these chicas how much they want or even entertain that. A guy needs to tell them how much he will pay. He can work from that. I think many chicas are flexible when it comes to offering them what they can accept. But you ask a chica her price, and just like anybody in the DR, they are going to get stupid with it just in case you are too. I tried to buy a waist pouch from a Sosua vender, and he wanted 1000 pesos when I can get the same thing for 300 pesos in La Sirena supermarket. He wouldn't budge. No problem. But the thing is, I asked for the price instead of showing him what I will pay. Taxis are the same way. You ask a taxi how much, and he is likely to give you some price much higher than the going rate.
So that's the mentality / strategy for enough locals when dealing with foreigners. It's not double the price unless you accept it.Prices might not double just because a chica says so, but chicas do control what offers they will or will not accept. Prices do effectively double if chicas only accept offers twice as high as what they used to accept. I either had to accept that prices have increased across the board or go back to NG with blue balls, as I could not find any attractive chicas that would accept the same prices from seven months ago, or even moderate increases. The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.
At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.
I decided to shift gears, as my proactive price-naming strategy was clearly not working. I had heard rumors of increasing prices, so I asked chicas what they wanted in order to figure out "the new normal," which was considerably higher than the prices that chicas had quoted me when I asked them seven months ago (I was more passive on pricing during my first trip, but even then, chicas quoted me much lower rates than they did this time).
After hearing similar responses from multiple chicas (and discounting the quotes of those that were clearly trying to take advantage of me and asked for outrageous prices), I figured out what the "new normal" was and resumed my proactive-price naming strategy at that price point. This revised approach was more successful but still involved more negotiation than it did on my last trip, when chicas always accepted my initial offers at much lower rates.
As I indicated in my previous report, I believe that the crackdown has made Sosua chicas in general more financially demanding and raised their expectations of what they should and should not accept due to the heightened risk of arrest and the influx of less price-conscious mainstream tourists.
GringoItaliano
01-27-17, 21:21
True. One guy I know from London, routinely pays 1000 for his "selections". Granted none of them may meet a lot of guys standards in terms of appearance. But from his reports enough of them were average to above average in terms of performance (again his standards).There are some nasty-looking chicas in Sosua, and perhaps some of them might accept 1000 pesos, but I personally would not screw them with a 10-foot pole if they paid me 1000 pesos.
Of course your dick would think that way because it is thinking about the here and now. But what happens when the exchange rate goes to not being in your favor?
They are going to be used to getting that 2500, but it is going to cost you much more. That is one reason you want to think in local currency and not your currency back home.You should realize this more than anyone. When you were here a few months ago, did you pay what a chica demanded, or did you pay what you felt comfortable paying? It was the latter. Same for myself. We have the deciding vote on what we are willing to pay, not the chicas.
I was just making a comparison in a discussion and sharing it here. Especially for individuals who complain about the chica price markup. As far as going by "what happens when the exchange rate is not in my favor", that is something I am not concerned about unless it happens. It hasnt gone down yet so I do not see that as something I need to worry about.
Another way to look at it, The chicas exchange rate of satisfaction for pesos hasnt always been been in my favor either, but I and many others have worked around it. BTW when you say it is going to cost you much more (the exchange rate not in my favor and chic as used to a certain amount ) , how much more are we talking? In theory you may be correct, but in application and the likelyhood of it happening, I don't see the need to be concerned. One can always make personal adjustments.
I'm more concerned about the increase in cost of flying to and from the DR and other locations, and how that has impacted me than chicas prices, or concern over the exchange rate dropping.
RubMeister100
01-27-17, 22:55
Here is a link that will explain the situation:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-advises-travelers-entry-regulations-pertaining-prescription
That being said, in the case of Colombia and Mexico, what I simply did was buy a few extra doses, remove the pills from their blister packs, and put them in an old ibuprofen bottle. The generic sildenafil that you can buy overseas at a pharmacy for $2 to $3 per dose works the same as the $15 per dose Viagra that you can buy in the United States.So according to the USCPB you can bring back up to 50 pills of generic sildenafil (or other non-scheduled Rx drugs ie: xanax etc) without a US prescription.
But you have to declare that you have them and the value of them.
Tempoecorto
01-27-17, 23:05
I was at the Bon place last night with a young woman visiting me from somewhere else. This is the place at the intersection past new Garden. It was about 11 PM and it was a beautiful quiet night. The woman had an ice cream while I went over to the bar across and got a glass of Single malt. We both sat outside Bon, on the benches and finished the drink and lit a cigar and saw the world go by, getting back to the hotel sometime around 11.30 PM, with nary an unsightly sight.
Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.
I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.
Quagmire1974
01-27-17, 23:56
So according to the USCPB you can bring back up to 50 pills of generic sildenafil (or other non-scheduled Rx drugs ie: xanax etc) without a US prescription.
But you have to declare that you have them and the value of them.Whether it's ground coffee or souvenirs or generic sildenafil, I'm guessing anything and everything has to be declared once you're standing in front of the US Customs agent at your port of entry.
The problem, though, is what Manizales911 said in post 27933:
"I had a friend that wanted to bring some sildenafil back to the states and I advised him to carry them in his pocket because the DR airports don't have the full body X ray machines like the USA Has and they would not be found. He decided to put them in his check in baggage and the USA Customs found them and confiscated them. Their reason was that they were not FDA approved, if they were Viagra branded they would not have taken them."
And Manizales911 is correct, from what I've found online. The largest quantity of generic sildenafil that I've brought back at one time was 30 tablets. I just simply didn't declare them. Hell, marijuana is now legal in a handful of states so who gives a shit about a few pecker pills.
The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.
At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.
Another way to look at it is that the chicas are all in competition with each other, casting doubt on the notion of a "union". Perhaps it is simply a question of a rising cost of living in the DR. 1000 pesos is less than $25. What can you buy for that price in the DR these days?
There are two sides to every story.
I was at the Bon place last night with a young woman visiting me from somewhere else. This is the place at the intersection past new Garden. It was about 11 PM and it was a beautiful quiet night. The woman had an ice cream while I went over to the bar across and got a glass of Single malt. We both sat outside Bon, on the benches and finished the drink and lit a cigar and saw the world go by, getting back to the hotel sometime around 11.30 PM, with nary an unsightly sight.
Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.
I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.
Another way to look at it is that the chicas are all in competition with each other, casting doubt on the notion of a "union". Perhaps it is simply a question of a rising cost of living in the DR. 1000 pesos is less than $25. What can you buy for that price in the DR these days?http://tiendalasirena.com/mes-del-ahorro/ How about 20 litres of milk?
http://tiendalasirena.com/mes-del-ahorro/ How about 20 litres of milk?Yes, you could, or you could get 20 pineapples, or 10 small tubes of toothpaste or bottles of cheap shampoo. Or if you want to live large you could get 100 gallons of drinking water refills and still have money left over for an ice cream.
GringoItaliano
01-28-17, 04:52
Compared that to the long report of Gringo Italiano, I saw a total disconnect which is what I wanted to point out for others, it is not my intention to pooh pooh anyone. In my three days here, other than a couple of chicks holding my hand and asking to go, I can't think of a single incident worth reporting, let alone being hit on the head. Whenever women solicit, all it calls for a "no thanks" . This is equally true of men working the streets selling whatever. I have not had to negotiate with one but I only pay what I am comfortable with.
I do not know the poster, but perhaps in addition to hypothesizing the reasons, one should also look at oneself in the mirror, to check for what one might not be doing right. Walking around late at night, around New Garden which is dark, may not be safe for example as is being intoxicated. Additionally, one does not need to go to Pedro Clisante for "hunting" - if one can call it that. The whole town is the play ground and business is open as early as the sunrise, potentially. Tonight is my last of the three nights here and I expect it to be no different, insha'allah! It is rather pleasant, temperature wise, this time of the year and women are everywhere.I used the same techniques to politely but firmly turn away unsolicited approaches by chicas and vendors that I successfully used on my last Sosua trip on my other trips elsewhere without incident. They usually worked on this trip, but in the three cases that I mentioned, I believe that I encountered more aggressive ones who simply would not take "no thanks" for an answer or had other, malicious intentions to begin with. I believe that these were more pronounced examples of the now more aggressive vibe of post-crackdown Sosua chicas in general.
Was I doing something wrong when I was walking down well-lit Pedro Clisante in the early evening, minding my own business with many people around, and a chica hit me on the back of the head in response to my polite but firm "no thanks"?
As for the chicas that ganged up on me late at night – it did not happen near NG but near the casino, as I was leaving for NG (they had been waiting outside the casino entrance). It was better-lit than the area around NG and there were other people around, so I felt that walking back to NG was safer than riding a motoconcho (considering the way those guys drive).
I was not intoxicated. I do not drink alcohol when I am mongering, for security reasons and other reasons. I did not have a single alcoholic beverage during my entire trip.
Prices might not double just because a chica says so, but chicas do control what offers they will or will not accept.True, but it\s not like you don't have power in this game. You also have control over what offers you will or will not accept. And you also have control over who you choose to hire to fuck. If a chick you choose, doesn't choose to work for you, you simply find another who will. There is nothing wrong with a guy taking the night off if he doesnt find someone suitable. It's not like you are gonna die from blue balls.
Prices do effectively double if chicas only accept offers twice as high as what they used to accept. I either had to accept that prices have increased across the board or go back to NG with blue balls, as I could not find any attractive chicas that would accept the same prices from seven months ago, or even moderate increases. The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.So what I said about your vacation timing doesn't have merit? You said you came in Jan 2017, just after 2 major events (Christmas and New Years) , and we had 2 months and a half of ridiculous amounts of rain, and you haven't factored that into another potential reason you couldn't find "any attractive chicas " that would accept your prices? That if tons of chicas had returned to Sosua, including a lot of new chicas just getting started, that there might have been more chicas available to accept your offers? Competition has a way of humbling enough of these chicas.
But you arent likely to see much of that competition with a skeleton crew of chicas on hand to choose from. BTW when you came it is / was high season, but that doesn't necessarily apply directly to the presence of chicas. That applies to folks coming to the DR on vacation , the hotels and all inclusives that expect to be filled. And like I said before, you chose to come to Sosua at one of the worse times from a mongering standpoint, in addition to the drawbacks from the closings and crackdown on chicas. Everyone since then has had to make adjustments. You perhaps were not prepared for that?
At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions.No doubt you are correct that many chicas have been asking and demanding higher prices. So you are not delusional.
I decided to shift gears, as my proactive price-naming strategy was clearly not working. I had heard rumors of increasing prices, so I asked chicas what they wanted in order to figure out "the new normal," which was considerably higher than the prices that chicas had quoted me when I asked them seven months ago (I was more passive on pricing during my first trip, but even then, chicas quoted me much lower rates than they did this time).
After hearing similar responses from multiple chicas (and discounting the quotes of those that were clearly trying to take advantage of me and asked for outrageous prices), I figured out what the "new normal" was and resumed my proactive-price naming strategy at that price point. This revised approach was more successful but still involved more negotiation than it did on my last trip, when chicas always accepted my initial offers at much lower rates.You are not alone in regards to some guys deciding to make some adjustments if they wanted to get laid by a particular chica, and didn't choose to walk away and find another.
As I indicated in my previous report, I believe that the crackdown has made Sosua chicas in general more financially demanding and raised their expectations of what they should and should not accept due to the heightened risk of arrest and the influx of less price-conscious mainstream tourists.I personally don't attribute the crackdown as why prices have soared. For as long as I have been going to the DR, chicas have always tried to get more even if there was no crackdown. IMO the influx of mongers coming to Sosua and throwing money at these chicas is what I think has more impact on driving the price of pussy up. The "make it rain" mob of guys spending hundreds of dollars on these chicas, that IMO has contributed greatly to these price gouging monsters.
In addition, many mongers too close to hustlers (male and female), and the hustlers freely sharing and encouraging chicas to seek as much as they can out of guys. The heavy numbers of WU novios and suckers sending tons of regular and upon request money to these women. Getting chicas set up in apartments, helping them get a salon up and running, buying them cars, furniture. My point is dude, I don't always follow what chicas say when I want an honest account of certain information. Many will tell you only what they want you to hear. But pay attention to what goes on around you. A lot of guys are spoiling these women to the 10th power. You sit down at any restaurant, bar, club, in their villas and see how many guys are spending money like water on these women. You think your conscientious effort to not over pay is going to TRUMP some guy who is wining and dining chicas and potentially overpaying?
I will sit down to talk to guys who openly tell me how much money they spend to get a chica they want up in Classicos or Merengue. Over 100 dollars bro, and proud of it. More and more chicas are pulling up in cars. Guys are spending money on chicas back in the states and elsewhere and bringing earned and unearned gifts. Doesn't matter the expense. The point is, that these chicas see that there is a wealth of money out there to be made. They see that many guys get off being generous. It's important for many guys to feel good, moreso than what impact their behavior may have on chica behavior in the long run.
Muggs coming to Sosua trying to nickel and dime these chicas (according to how some chicas may feel) , meanwhile he has 2 cell phones, a computer, a tablet, credit cards and cash in his safe, paid for 2 weeks in a hotel, $700 for airfare, goes to any restaurant to eat, may be driving around in a rental, comes back 2 or 3 months later to do the same thing, and shows the chicas in so many words that he is able to to afford to do a lot of shit.
How about guys bragging in the company of their local hustler friends about how much they pay strippers or pros back where they come from? You think that information doesn't get shared with the chicas? When a hustler sits down with a table of relatively new chicas, what do you think he is doing? He's is trying to market himself to them. So any and everything he knows about mongers habits will be used to help chicas to get the most out of their clients. Many hustlers act as double agents. They might help mongers, but they also use what they know to help chicas. And they get compensated for it. Or at the very least, they build alliances with both chicas and mongers, playing them both.
Take into consideration that another way some chicas try to cover their expenses, is to get guys to buy food, drinks, pay hotel fees, club entrance fees, and anything else they can in order to keep their money in their purses. When they do that, that suggests that they know we can afford to pay for alot. And you mean to tell me NONE OF THAT I mentioned gets factored into why many p4 p chicas think they should get more from us?
The crackdown gets more credit?
I used the same techniques to politely but firmly turn away unsolicited approaches by chicas and vendors that I successfully used on my last Sosua trip on my other trips elsewhere without incident. They usually worked on this trip, but in the three cases that I mentioned, I believe that I encountered more aggressive ones who simply would not take "no thanks" for an answer or had other, malicious intentions to begin with. I believe that these were more pronounced examples of the now more aggressive vibe of post-crackdown Sosua chicas in general.
Was I doing something wrong when I was walking down well-lit Pedro Clisante in the early evening, minding my own business with many people around, and a chica hit me on the back of the head in response to my polite but firm "no thanks"?
As for the chicas that ganged up on me late at night it did not happen near NG but near the casino, as I was leaving for NG (they had been waiting outside the casino entrance). It was better-lit than the area around NG and there were other people around, so I felt that walking back to NG was safer than riding a motoconcho (considering the way those guys drive).
I was not intoxicated. I do not drink alcohol when I am mongering, for security reasons and other reasons. I did not have a single alcoholic beverage during my entire trip.In my responses I never considered that maybe you got treated a certain way, because of how you may have been perceived by the chicas you encountered. Just as much as we may have standards of who we choose to pursue, so do the chicas in terms of who they will or will not fuck.
Also some have mentioned this here before, that sometimes chicas will tell a guy a very high price because they don't want his business. Or they have their sights on a more financially lucrative target.
On another note, A little incident.
A buddy of mine just got to Sosua yesterday. We sat and talked in Bourbon Street around 8 to 9 ish in the evening. He saw a cute red bone chica. He got her to come over. He started talking to her in english. He took her number, and the whole time her body language indicated she seemed uncomfortable, and was trying to get back to her girlfriends. She never even asked him for his name, never tried to initiate engaging him in any verbal exchange. She only answered by giving him her name, and where she was from. She walked off and joined her girls. So I asked him, did she ask you what your name was? Did you notice she didn't seem interested in engaging with you?
It hadn't dawned on him until later, because then he was paying more attention to how she looked. I told him I had already greeted her when I was coming out of the bathroom and she was walking towards it, and she ignored my greeting (in spanish). And made an effort not to make eye contact when she passed by. Who knows, she may not have even understood a word of english he said to her. But something was up with that chick. It's obvious she was there to check out the scene to potentially make money from dudes coming for Super Bowl week. But that chica surely lacked social skills.
In the next few minutes she was posted up on the sidewalk with her GF's using "squirrel eyes" to peek in my buddies direction. Him and I got up and left for Merengue Bar, saw it was dead, and crossed over to the Flame Bar. He got a warm greeting from the bar girl there who helped him celebrate his birthday a few months ago inside Flame Bar. Her greeting a big difference from that chica he just talked to.
Next thing I know the chica he met, her and one of her girlfriends had moved from Bourbon Street down to outside Merengue Bar, standing there looking at us from across the street. I guess she pointed out my buddy as the one who approached her. Seen he was engaged talking to the women that have social skills. A few minutes later, they all piled into a little compact car and drove off. If that chica hasnt been scared off, she will eventually be groomed for being a p4 p chica. Complete with instructions on how to fleece as much as she can out of a guy, and potentially rely on her looks to get more and do less for it.
What I gathered from that incident, is that my buddy did not try to interact with her to establish any vibe, did not establish if she even understood him. The chica on the other hand, was probably new as hell to the scene, and didn't know what to say or do. She probably wasnt ready to go off with anyone right at that moment either. She showed by her body language that she probably needed her girlfriends input / support, and couldn't act on her own just yet. But IMO that is no excuse from not knowing how or failing to exercise basic social skills towards other people. Like returning a greeting when spoken to.
Mr. GringoItaliano,
Thank you for you excellent MitA (Man in the Arena) report. You have been spending a lot of time defending yourself from critics. They don't matter!
Your experiences are valid and they cannot be invalidated. You got people calling for self examination. Seriously? Someone posting about buying prostitutes in Sousa has the nerve to call out another person doing the same thing but having a different experience. GTF! You stated the reasons you believed you had a bad experience on your second visit. They remain valid. But you have to remember three things:
1. The Law of Supply and Demand.
2. Theft is deeply embedded within Dominican Society. There are few at any level, position or station that feels it's not OK to straight up steal.
3. The character of the individuals you are dealing with.
4. The Law of Personal Preferences.
Number two and three tie into each other and each of us on an individual level can only be aware and cannot do much to change. 1 & 4 are within our complete control. It's hard to tell somebody who they should be fucking and how much they should be paying. But hey these critical motherfuckers are here doing exactly that.
My Sosua experience is limited. But of the three women I dealt with there only one made a deal, provided great service and stuck to it. The other two both tried to steal from me in some way. Or if hustling isn't considered theft (I think it is). Then only one didn't try to hustle me in someway.
During my trip had a gang of girls try to accost me while while walking home similar to what you experienced. That was pre-crackdown. Now it was not a pleasant experience but I would file it under "there are worse problems to have. " The more challenges we face in life and overcome the better we get at handling similar problems in the future. For those who feel Mr. GringoItaliano is a heretic speaking among the Sosua faithful, chill the fuck out! You don't have to burn him at the stake. He has chosen self exile.
I enjoyed your post Mr. GringoItaliano. It's current and I have no reason not to believe it. It won't ever stop me from returning to Sosua. But hey, I got more pussy in Santo Domingo that I have time to fuck and Boca Chica is right down the road.
PuntingGeorge
01-28-17, 20:05
I have spent a lot of time in Colombia and now I live in Sosua and can tell you that Medellin blows Sosua out of the water when it comes to the girls, Sosua is cheaper, closer, warmer and has beaches. But Colombia has the best pu $$why.Distance is not a major issue, once I'm on the plane I'm not too bothered how far it's flying, within reason. I also don't care much for beaches. When you say Sosua is cheaper are you referring to how much the girls want or the cost of flights and accommodation etc?
PuntingGeorge
01-28-17, 20:23
I went over to the bar across and got a glass of Single malt.
insha'allah!Alcohol is Haram you sinner. Tut tut. I think I'll have a word with your Imam haha.
Tempoecorto
01-28-17, 21:10
I was not intoxicated. I do not drink alcohol when I am mongering, for security reasons and other reasons. I did not have a single alcoholic beverage during my entire trip.I was not specifically referring to you but it was a general observation that when one is drunk, one is likely to attract dodgy characters. I mentioned the dark roads around New Garden hotel, because that is a bad spot and people have been approached there with wrong intentions.
Overall, I have to say that I am amazed that someone physically hit you for just saying NO. It is somewhat uncharacteristic even though I can barely say that I know them all. I am at the airport now and I dare say, nothing out of the ordinary happened. Well one woman I had liked the look of, in front of Merengue, and had given me her number, told me the next afternoon that she was looking for 3000 pesos for an hour, at 3 pm. She just got a "Gracias and buenas suerte". My average was about 1250 pesos for a rendezvous, on average.
Mr. GringoItaliano,
Thank you for you excellent MitA (Man in the Arena) report. You have been spending a lot of time defending yourself from critics. They don't matter!
Your experiences are valid and they cannot be invalidated. You got people calling for self examination. Seriously? Someone posting about buying prostitutes in Sousa has the nerve to call out another person doing the same thing but having a different experience. GTF! You stated the reasons you believed you had a bad experience on your second visit. They remain valid. But you have to remember three things:
1. The Law of Supply and Demand.
2. Theft is deeply embedded within Dominican Society. There are few at any level, position or station that feels it's not OK to straight up steal.
3. The character of the individuals you are dealing with.
4. The Law of Personal Preferences.
Number two and three tie into each other and each of us on an individual level can only be aware and cannot do much to change. 1 & 4 are within our complete control. It's hard to tell somebody who they should be fucking and how much they should be paying. But hey these critical motherfuckers are here doing exactly that.
My Sosua experience is limited. But of the three women I dealt with there only one made a deal, provided great service and stuck to it. The other two both tried to steal from me in some way. Or if hustling isn't considered theft (I think it is). Then only one didn't try to hustle me in someway.
During my trip had a gang of girls try to accost me while while walking home similar to what you experienced. That was pre-crackdown. Now it was not a pleasant experience but I would file it under "there are worse problems to have. " The more challenges we face in life and overcome the better we get at handling similar problems in the future. For those who feel Mr. GringoItaliano is a heretic speaking among the Sosua faithful, chill the fuck out! You don't have to burn him at the stake. He has chosen self exile.
I enjoyed your post Mr. GringoItaliano. It's current and I have no reason not to believe it. It won't ever stop me from returning to Sosua. But hey, I got more pussy in Santo Domingo that I have time to fuck and Boca Chica is right down the road.Well said MrSub.
We have so many different takes on Sosua, I sometime find it hard to believe we are talking about the same place.
Sosua, Dominican Republic, right?
Everybody is different, and a newbie can luck out or have a bad time on any single day, but veteran posters here have such different experiences and attitudes towards the locals and chicas, that it is obvious that they see everyday Sosua through a different pair of glasses. It's like the 3 blind men describing an elephant.
Sosua is what it is. It is not for everybody.
Aside from the seasonal highs and lows, it is pretty much unchanging, and the locals are the same from year to year. The locals I met 8 years ago are still doing basically the same work in different spots all over town. Life there goes on.
Remember, it is what YOU bring to Sosua, that primarily determines the quality of your experience.
Any idiot can get a general idea of what to expect by checking out YouTube, or even a detailed blow by blow account and a budget, by reading recent posts here. My first time, I was happy that it was more or less as described here!
There is no use whatsoever in complaining about the chicas because they are not Asian, Brazilian, Columbian, European, too fat, too ugly, whatever.
There is no use whatsoever in complaining about the character of the putas, or the morals of the locals. They are mostly dirt poor families surviving on the avails of prostitution. They are in survival mode, living from day to day. Prositution is a legitimate profession there, but unregulated and most grown ups know what that can entail, so keep a weather eye out, always!
If you drop the tendency to compare them with others, at home, or abroad, and understand who you are dealing with, and adjust your demands and expectations accordingly, you can, like a lot of us, have variety of very enjoyable relationships, and casual experiences that you cannot wait to go back and repeat.
All set against a backdrop of beautiful, colorful, safe tropical restaurants and beaches.
(On another level, there is a mutual respect involved, but not the hooker / john / pimp / mama shit that is so despised in the West, but I won't get into THAT flame war here!
Mr Enternational
01-30-17, 03:48
Why none of those Haitian chicks in Sosua resemble Miss Haiti?
Why none of those Haitian chicks in Sosua resemble Miss Haiti?Why would they need to go to Sousa? If they look like Miss Haiti they probably don't need too.
Mr. Oakie,
We got individuals comparing girls in Sosua Forum to girls in (name the country of your choice). Why? We got individuals posting pictures of girls from other countries in the Sosua Forum. Why? We got individuals hating on other individuals who either have more money than them or are willing to spend more money than them. Why?
IMO the influx of mongers coming to Sosua and throwing money at these chicas is what I think has more impact on driving the price of pussy up. The "make it rain" mob of guys spending hundreds of dollars on these chicas, that IMO has contributed greatly to these price gouging monsters. . .The heavy numbers of WU novios and suckers sending tons of regular and upon request money to these women. Getting chicas set up in apartments, helping them get a salon up and running, buying them cars, furniture. A lot of guys are spoiling these women to the 10th power. You sit down at any restaurant, bar, club, in their villas and see how many guys are spending money like water on these women. . .I will sit down to talk to guys who openly tell me how much money they spend to get a chica they want up in Classicos or Merengue. Over 100 dollars bro, and proud of it. . .Guys are spending money on chicas back in the states and elsewhere and bringing earned and unearned gifts.You got guys hating on the music being played in different establishments.
I'm almost 60 and can't fucking stand the thug life rap bullshit music scene there, to each their own but it's not for me, you won't find that rap shit at City LightsI don't understand it.
There are so many options out there. A beach, so many places to eat, so many places to drink, so many ways to find Ho's and it's all in such a compact area where you can walk. And as for the dangers of taking a moto I don't really see it. The streets of Sosua when it comes to traffic is nothing compared to Santo Domingo. I'll jump on one in a minute in Sosua or Boca Chica. In Santo Domingo I'll walk until my feet are bloody, then I'll crawl until I pass out, before I get on one. It's hard for me to fathom how you could go to Sosua and not have a good time. I used to own a on-premises sex club. On the inside of the front door I had a sign. It said: "If you came here and you didn't have a good time. It was your own damn fault"! I feel that way about Sosua.
Now I've read where people say it's Adult Disneyland. I have to take issue with that characterization of Sosua. Because my man Walt ran his operation with a strong pimp hand. He had his rules and standards and if you were working for him and got out of line, he would pimp slap you in a minute or let you go (depending upon your violation). He controlled everything that went on inside of his park. Sosua is no where near that. It's not even a all inclusive. It's more like a open air market where you have to fend for yourself to get good deals.
Over the years my perspective of Disneyland has changed dramatically. From when I used to go there all the time as a kid. One summer had so many relatives come and visit us that I went 7 times in one summer. I was sick of the rat house. My perspective changed again when I was a little older and My Dad took my brother and I there on a trip for the "men". Then my perspective changed on it again when I returned with my daughter as an adult and parent.
Now, if I had of written a trip report with those three different perspectives they would have read dramatically different. Although I suspect Walt and his successors have done a excellent job continuing to provide consistent level of service. A fact proven by continued growth and the fat bottom line they post on a quarterly basis.
We have so many different takes on Sosua, I sometime find it hard to believe we are talking about the same place.
Sosua, Dominican Republic, right?
Everybody is different, and a newbie can luck out or have a bad time on any single day, but veteran posters here have such different experiences and attitudes towards the locals and chicas, that it is obvious that they see everyday Sosua through a different pair of glasses. It's like the 3 blind men describing an elephant.Damn straight Mr. Oakie. Everyone overlooks the idea of the paradigm (a distinct set of concepts or thought patterns). Taken from Wikipedia "Paradigms have two aspects. Firstly, within normal science, the term refers to the set of exemplary experiments that are likely to be copied or emulated. Secondly, underpinning this set of exemplars are shared preconceptions, made prior to and conditioning the collection of evidence. These preconceptions embody both hidden assumptions and elements that he describes as quasi-metaphysical; the interpretations of the paradigm may vary among individual scientists."
Mr. GringoItaliano actual did a excellent job comparing one of his trips to another. When I return to Sosua it will not be the same as my first time there. When we write a report we are all exhibiting these preconceptions and hidden assumptions that cause each of use to interpret our experiences differently. What is really important is accurate useful information. Where the ho's at? How much did you pay? I enjoy reading about the personal experiences of others. I read to learn how to enhance my own experiences. If someone writes they got ATM for a 1000 pesos, I'm like damn brother was she really that freaky!
Unfortunately there is always some character willing to clown someone over their stories or trip report. You paid too much. You couldn't have paid that and received that. I've been going there for years and that's never happen. My experiences differ from yours. There must be something wrong with you. Goto Thailand (or insert the county of your choice) the girls there are better and here is a picture. I monger all over the world and Sosua ain't shit! (But you go there right)? WTF?
Sosua is what it is. It is not for everybody. . .Aside from the seasonal highs and lows, it is pretty much unchanging, and the locals are the same from year to year. The locals I met 8 years ago are still doing basically the same work in different spots all over town. Life there goes on. . .Remember, it is what YOU bring to Sosua, that primarily determines the quality of your experience. . .If you drop the tendency to compare them with others, at home, or abroad, and understand who you are dealing with, and adjust your demands and expectations accordingly, you can, like a lot of us, have variety of very enjoyable relationships, and casual experiences that you cannot wait to go back and repeat. . .All set against a backdrop of beautiful, colorful, safe tropical restaurants and beaches.I couldn't have said it better my man. Preach my brother!
Why none of those Haitian chicks in Sosua resemble Miss Haiti?They, and their cousins, beautiful Dominicanas, can be found all over the Island.
But you won't find them being passed around by old fart mongers sitting around the New Garden, for 1000 pesos.
Believe it or not, my buddy and I bring in stunners like that from around the country, usually with a friend or relative for their comfort level and fun. There is no menu, no meter running. But you take care of their expenses while in town. We get a nice large beachfront condo (or two) to party in. They like to cook.
But these are semi pros who have other lives, and the respect I was talking about earlier, prevents me from posting their pictures.
It's not mongering, it's steak vs hamburger and obviously costs more. But not as much as one would think. These are top shelf girls who are happy to hang around a nice condo for a few days. And, unlike big city escorts or Vegas strippers, they are domesticated, unassuming, compliant, will wash your T shirts, shorts and socks, and are in no hurry to go home!
But on our last trip after all the imports had gone home, I mongered in town and found two stunners, one pro who wouldn't be seen on the main drag, (she works from her phone only) and one semi, a bartender in Sosua, but was too jaded by that time to do more than one of them twice.
Yes, the next Miss Haiti, and Miss Dominican Republic can be found, but not hanging around the New Garden pool at 8 am, unless you are are very, very lucky. :)
Charles Pooter
01-30-17, 14:29
Why none of those Haitian chicks in Sosua resemble Miss Haiti?Because they are real Haitians and she is not.
Mr. GringoItaliano reported the following negotiating conditions. And the techniques he used:
On average, I paid twice what I paid seven months before. According to some chicas, they want higher rates because they need a larger stash to bribe themselves out of jail or in order to justify the risk of arrest. Perhaps skyrocketing prices may also attract new chicas that would normally avoid this business but find the higher rates irresistible, and perhaps such chicas may provide lower-quality service. Chicas were also less flexible on rates this time. Many chicas on my last trip asked me to name my price, and they always accepted my first offer. Seven months later, only a few asked me to name my price, and none of them accepted my first offers.
Prices might not double just because a chica says so, but chicas do control what offers they will or will not accept. Prices do effectively double if chicas only accept offers twice as high as what they used to accept. I either had to accept that prices have increased across the board or go back to NG with blue balls, as I could not find any attractive chicas that would accept the same prices from seven months ago, or even moderate increases. The "Sosua Puta Union" must have decided to push for higher rates.
At the beginning of this trip, I was proactive in naming my price, not passive. I offered rates comparable to what I paid on my last trip; chicas rejected such offers, and some of them seemed to take offense at what may have genuinely struck them as low ball offers in the new, post-crackdown market. Yes, I had the power to walk way, and I exercised it. I made similar offers to other chicas and received similar reactions..Let's talk a minute about negotiating skills. I've seen positions that the man should state what he is willing to spend and not move off it. If the she doesn't accept, move on.
Mr. WRX is in this camp:
It's not like you don't have power in this game. You also have control over what offers you will or will not accept. And you also have control over who you choose to hire to fuck. If a chick you choose, doesn't choose to work for you, you simply find another who will. There is nothing wrong with a guy taking the night off if he doesnt find someone suitable. If tons of chicas had returned to Sosua, including a lot of new chicas just getting started, that there might have been more chicas available to accept your offers? Competition has a way of humbling enough of these chicas.
But you arent likely to see much of that competition with a skeleton crew of chicas on hand to choose from.Opportunities for having your offer accepted depends on the amount of the offer and number of choices available for both parties on the supply and the demand side.
A few general Negotiating Advice / Tips.
Be dignified: One should maintain the decorum of the place and should not stoop to any level for getting the best deal. Remember it is just a discussion, not a battle field. If you are not satisfied with the deal.
Be very clear in your communication: Stay firm on your quotes and do not change statements quite often. Don't play with words or try to confuse others. One needs to be straightforward from the very beginning.
Be a good listener: Don't jump to conclusions; instead listen to what the other party offers. Understand their situation well. If the deal is not benefiting the other party, they will obviously not accept it. When a customer goes to purchase something, he must not forget that the seller needs to earn a profits also. The seller should also understand the customer's needs and pocket. Negotiation depends on mutual understanding.
This aligns with what Mr. Oakie as said in the past:
Mr. Oakie adds the following insights:
Street hookers will always ask you for money, or a propina, or a regalo para bambina, even after you have paid them.
On another level, there is a mutual respect involved, but not the hooker / john / pimp / mama shit that is so despised in the West!Be reasonable: Don't quote anything just for the sake of it. Be reasonable. Don't quote imaginary or unusually high figures. Don't ask for anything you yourself know is not possible. It will just be wastage of time and no one would benefit out of it.
This last point would seem to play into what Mr. Frannie was saying:
Another way to look at it is that the chicas are all in competition with each other, casting doubt on the notion of a "union". Perhaps it is simply a question of a rising cost of living in the DR. 1000 pesos is less than $25. What can you buy for that price in the DR these days?I like to hear a girl's offer. If it's in range then we have a place to start from. I can offer something below what I know she will accept and see if I can get a lower offer. Often times a pause of indifference or rejection will get them to negotiate against themselves. Immediately lowering their first offer and putting into an acceptable range or at least getting us in the same ballpark. I don't do a lot of negotiating in person. I work the phone much more. But even in that situation I don't change how negotiate. But I you do lose the immediacy of action right now. But I'm comfortable with that. I like to have everything in place prior to meeting.
I know there is more than one way to negotiate a deal. I would like to hear more thoughts from others on this issue.
Because they are real Haitians and she is not.Because she is part Filipina on her mother's side. Do I win the prize for the correct answer?
Because she is part Filipina on her mother's side. Do I win the prize for the correct answer?You could get one for taste, but only if if you subscribed to the theory that mixed race girls are the most attractive.
You could get one for taste, but only if if you subscribed to the theory that mixed race girls are the most attractive.The question was why do the Haitians in Sosua not resemble Miss Haiti, and the answer is because she is part Filipina and they are not. Attractiveness has nothing to do with it. I don't find her particularly attractive and in fact I find her personality ingratiating and I don't like the way she claims some additional virtue by reason of having survived the earthquake of 2010. Raquel Pelissier was raising funds on Gofundme for her participation in Ms. Universe, and yet she is apparently sufficiently well-funded to attend graduate school in Madrid and seems to come from a family with some means. Very little seems to be written about her or her family background, but she is described as a 'professional model', whatever that means.
Charles Pooter
01-31-17, 00:42
The question was why do the Haitians in Sosua not resemble Miss Haiti, and the answer is because she is part Filipina and they are not. Attractiveness has nothing to do with it. I don't find her particularly attractive and in fact I find her personality ingratiating and I don't like the way she claims some additional virtue by reason of having survived the earthquake of 2010. Raquel Pelissier was raising funds on Gofundme for her participation in Ms. Universe, and yet she is apparently sufficiently well-funded to attend graduate school in Madrid and seems to come from a family with some means. Very little seems to be written about her or her family background, but she is described as a 'professional model', whatever that means.This is her without all the tarting up. Attractive girl, but I saw three who were better looking and more typically Haitian in Pedro Clisante the other day. One was really stunning.
This is her without all the tarting up. Attractive girl, but I saw three who were better looking and more typically Haitian in Pedro Clisante the other day. One was really stunning.Looks better there, to me, than in her Miss Universe pictures. Kind of clean-cut, girl next door type. Probably looking for more than 1000 pesos, though her Twitter account includes a photograph of Boca Chica, though not Sosua.
Member #2041
01-31-17, 06:28
Look, let's not kid ourselves. Miss Haiti is a very attractive woman. She's more attractive than 95% of the Haitianas in Sosua. But not 100%. And every one of us who has done this hobby for any length of time has experienced a 7 in looks who was a 10 in attitude, whom we'd much rather spend time with and certainly rather repeat with, than anyone who is a 10 in looks but a 3 in attitude.
The question was why do the Haitians in Sosua not resemble Miss Haiti, and the answer is because she is part Filipina and they are not. Attractiveness has nothing to do with it. I don't find her particularly attractive and in fact I find her personality ingratiating and I don't like the way she claims some additional virtue by reason of having survived the earthquake of 2010. Raquel Pelissier was raising funds on Gofundme for her participation in Ms. Universe, and yet she is apparently sufficiently well-funded to attend graduate school in Madrid and seems to come from a family with some means. Very little seems to be written about her or her family background, but she is described as a 'professional model', whatever that means.Here's a good example of what I why one man's experience in Sosua, is not transferable to another.
Frannie finds her ingratiating and not attractive.
Which is fine for him personally, but she is chosen to represent her country by mainstream Universally acknowledged beauty standards, and she will fit right in with her fellow competitors from around the world in the Miss Universe Contest.
One man's meat is another man's poison, so be wary of following one individual's appraisal and approval rating of chicas.
He could be out of the mainstream.
For most, the scale of 1 to 10, when applied to external appearance, is universally understood.
(And I do believe the question as posed, inferred comparative attractiveness, because this is a mongers forum!, not Anthropology Today) :)
Thanks for asking.
A rating!
On the street, not in close contact say on a darkened long distance bus, or if you have been incacerated for years, you don't generally look lustfully at anything less than 7.
With a 7 you look and move on.
With an 8, you'll hold her gaze as she goes by.
With a 9 you turn around and stare.
With a 10 you follow her at a distance to get another look!
Anyone?
Crazy Jim Wood
01-31-17, 14:51
That Miss Haiti is a solid 10, I don't recall seeing anyone in Sosua who came close. The reason she is more beautiful than any other Haitians is pretty obvious, as others mentioned, she is Filipina. Also, a truly beautiful Haitian would not linger long in Sosua, she would be snapped up by some sugar daddy and taken off to another world. The average Haitian I saw in Sosua was flat chested skinny assed very dark with bad hair. As if just off the ship from Africa. Some looked better, I suspect they were naturally endowed with better bodies and general appearance and had scored more money to get more modern hair treatments make up become more sophisticated etc. And while there were many ugly women in Sosua, I also agree it was an adult playground and if you tried a little you could find very attractive women, at least for me, I was happy with what I found. I don't need a 10 to be happy. But Miss Haiti is a definite 10 and from a different class than the average Sosua chica and from a different planet than the average Haitian.
This is her without all the tarting up. Attractive girl, but I saw three who were better looking and more typically Haitian in Pedro Clisante the other day. One was really stunning..
Charles Pooter
01-31-17, 16:23
The average Haitian I saw in Sosua was ... skinny assed If Jim Wood thinks haitianas are skinny-assed, I understand why he is adjudged crazy. I am glad he can access the internet from whichever institution he is confined in.
If Jim Wood thinks haitianas are skinny-assed, I understand why he is adjudged crazy. I am glad he can access the internet from whichever institution he is confined in.We were discussing chicas, not trancendental, sublime art!
That's a body that could launch a thousand ships (or a thousand Jet Blue planes full of mongers)
My buddy was on the ground a few weeks ago. He did 10 women. 8 were were Haitian 2 were Dominican. He raved about the service he received from the Haitian girls. I have a Haitian girl who has become a regular for me. She has 38 DD and smoking hot buddy. She fucks me like I am her boyfriend. The haitian girls come in many flavors.
Look, let's not kid ourselves. Miss Haiti is a very attractive woman. She's more attractive than 95% of the Haitianas in Sosua. But not 100%. And every one of us who has done this hobby for any length of time has experienced a 7 in looks who was a 10 in attitude, whom we'd much rather spend time with and certainly rather repeat with, than anyone who is a 10 in looks but a 3 in attitude.
So, I've been going to Sosua (among other places) on and off since 2006. The one thing that I can say that has served me well in dealing with the girls is indifference. I think this is something that comes with time. It can be time in Sosua or just time mongering in general. Its like the difference between an 18 year old boy being let loose at a strip club versus a 40 year old in the same situation. You should know that, when you are ready, you can have just about any girl you want on Pedro Clisante. Period. You are in control. The only factor is how much you are willing to pay. Generally, that comes down to your assessment of the product. Or, you just needing to stick to a certain budget.
So, for me, I generally don't approach the girls with an immediate transactional conversation. If I am the initiator. More times than not, girls approach me, which I don't take issue with, no matter whether I find the girl unattractive. I, instead, approach a girl like I would any other girl, as a normal human being and try to strike up a normal conversation. In that moment, I can ascertain whether or not she will possibly be a good match for me (just like in non-mongering life). Once I determine that the girl has some personality, I move in to sexual talk, still not transactional, but more flirty. Then, I ask them what business is like for them here in Sosua and try to get a feeling for how long and how broad their experience in hoe-ing might be. In short, how hardened they are. Again, no pricing brought up. I look for hints about how popular they are, how much business they get per day. Then, I start prying about how much they make in a day. By now, if I am really interested, I'll have probably bought them a beer or juice or some such inexpensive drink, to encourage them to remain stationary for awhile.
Sometimes, if I can tell that a girl has not been in the business long (you know, some of them just seem out of place), I'll tell them, "you don't seem like you belong here. " That is usually a very well received compliment, as you're basically saying, "you don't seem like a hoe. " This has probably been 10-15 min that I've gotten this far into a conversation. From here, I might comment on how hot it is and invite them to hang out in my air conditioned place or pool, maybe listen to music. Or, I might just take their number and ask if they want to join me for dinner later. This is all reserved for top notch girls that I don't mind putting a little extra time into and would consider nice "arm candy". If we're off to my place, and I've got her hooked, I interrupt getting up from the bar / table / whatever and reluctantly bring up the topic of price. By this point, I have never gotten an unreasonable price! Never. And, I always make it seem like it is a lot, but ask for more time for that price because, "I think we're going to have a great time together." It's called game, fellas! No, you don't have to "talk them out of their panties," but it helps to talk them out of your wallet.
This tactic has yielded me many unforgettable experiences with some great girls. But, I was perfectly willing to let them go if it didn't feel right at any time. There's always one prettier, sexier, and less expensive that will be along any minute. Or, there's one that will at least meet your minimum criteria for a quickie. In any case, you are in control. I have a daily budget and I stick to it. Maybe I'll spend less than normal on one girl, maybe more on another, but it all evens out at the end of the day. We have to keep the rates within our acceptable range, but don't stress over 500-1000 pesos in a hard negotiation, when you can talk your way out of that with a little creativity, a smile, and some human decency. Not that any of us fuckers are decent!
Rodeo out!
Hey,
I was just wondering, has anyone intentionally tried hooking up with any of the female tourists that might be in the area? What is the success rate on that? Seems like it would be a worthy thread to start. Also, what are some establishments frequented by such loose, morally flexible female travelers?
In it to win it (poon tang, that is).
Rodeo.
. Not that any of us fuckers are decent!Good report!
The only thing lower than hoes are mongers :)
There's no market for female tourists in Sosua.
You might find them at the fancier all inclusives, Punta Cana, maybe Puerto Plata.
The few female tourists you find in Sosua are usually doing what we do there, looking for local "color".
That Miss Haiti is a solid 10, I don't recall seeing anyone in Sosua who came close.
.All you are saying is that kind of racially ambiguous, clean cut college-girl look approximates to your personal ideal woman, and that you like women who are tall with well-toned legs. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean it is the height of sexiness for everyone else. (Personally I find that birthmark on the side of her mouth annoying, perhaps because it reminds me of another Haitian woman who looks rather like her facially whom I know quite well as a friend of a friend and don't care for.).
Manizales911
02-02-17, 04:49
So, I've been going to Sosua (among other places) on and off since 2006. The one thing that I can say that has served me well in dealing with the girls is indifference. I think this is something that comes with time. It can be time in Sosua or just time mongering in general. Its like the difference between an 18 year old boy being let loose at a strip club versus a 40 year old in the same situation. You should know that, when you are ready, you can have just about any girl you want on Pedro Clisante. Period. You are in control. The only factor is how much you are willing to pay. Generally, that comes down to your assessment of the product. Or, you just needing to stick to a certain budget.
So, for me, I generally don't approach the girls with an immediate transactional conversation. If I am the initiator. More times than not, girls approach me, which I don't take issue with, no matter whether I find the girl unattractive. I, instead, approach a girl like I would any other girl, as a normal human being and try to strike up a normal conversation. In that moment, I can ascertain whether or not she will possibly be a good match for me (just like in non-mongering life). Once I determine that the girl has some personality, I move in to sexual talk, still not transactional, but more flirty. Then, I ask them what business is like for them here in Sosua and try to get a feeling for how long and how broad their experience in hoe-ing might be. In short, how hardened they are. Again, no pricing brought up. I look for hints about how popular they are, how much business they get per day. Then, I start prying about how much they make in a day. By now, if I am really interested, I'll have probably bought them a beer or juice or some such inexpensive drink, to encourage them to remain stationary for awhile.
Sometimes, if I can tell that a girl has not been in the business long (you know, some of them just seem out of place), I'll tell them, "you don't seem like you belong here. " That is usually a very well received compliment, as you're basically saying, "you don't seem like a hoe. " This has probably been 10-15 min that I've gotten this far into a conversation. From here, I might comment on how hot it is and invite them to hang out in my air conditioned place or pool, maybe listen to music. Or, I might just take their number and ask if they want to join me for dinner later. This is all reserved for top notch girls that I don't mind putting a little extra time into and would consider nice "arm candy". If we're off to my place, and I've got her hooked, I interrupt getting up from the bar / table / whatever and reluctantly bring up the topic of price. By this point, I have never gotten an unreasonable price! Never. And, I always make it seem like it is a lot, but ask for more time for that price because, "I think we're going to have a great time together." It's called game, fellas! No, you don't have to "talk them out of their panties," but it helps to talk them out of your wallet.
This tactic has yielded me many unforgettable experiences with some great girls. But, I was perfectly willing to let them go if it didn't feel right at any time. There's always one prettier, sexier, and less expensive that will be along any minute. Or, there's one that will at least meet your minimum criteria for a quickie. In any case, you are in control. I have a daily budget and I stick to it. Maybe I'll spend less than normal on one girl, maybe more on another, but it all evens out at the end of the day. We have to keep the rates within our acceptable range, but don't stress over 500-1000 pesos in a hard negotiation, when you can talk your way out of that with a little creativity, a smile, and some human decency. Not that any of us fuckers are decent!
Rodeo out!This is a great approach, but the majority of the guys coming to Sosua these days don't have more than five words of Spanish. You and I are the old guard my friend, the new crew want point and click, slam bam thank you mam.
This is a great approach, but the majority of the guys coming to Sosua these days don't have more than five words of Spanish. You and I are the old guard my friend, the new crew want point and click, slam bam thank you mam.True. I thought about that as I was typing!
Member #2041
02-02-17, 22:17
But, I was perfectly willing to let them go if it didn't feel right at any time. There's always one prettier, sexier, and less expensive that will be along any minute. Or, there's one that will at least meet your minimum criteria for a quickie.
Rodeo out!
I don't entirely agree. You can always trade the chica in front of you for an improvement on any two of the three criteria, but not on all three at once.
Manizales911
02-03-17, 05:28
Immigration has been hitting the streets in Cabarete, Sosua and even Costambar. They are supposed to be targeting people that are working here without legal residency but they have grabbed people for simply not having their passports to prove that they haven't overstayed their tourist stamp 30 day limit. I watched them grab people coming out of Super Pola and I saw them raid the Red Elephant and take the owner away. 61 people so far. My advise to anyone visiting, bring a copy of your details page of your passport with you and once you get stamped take a photo of your entry stamp and keep it with you at all times or you could be detained. For those of you like me that have overstayed, carry enough pesos on you to pay the fine once you are bused to Puerto Plata.
Grandnash84
02-03-17, 08:37
Immigration has been hitting the streets in Cabarete, Sosua and even Costambar. They are supposed to be targeting people that are working here without legal residency but they have grabbed people for simply not having their passports to prove that they haven't overstayed their tourist stamp 30 day limit. I watched them grab people coming out of Super Pola and I saw them raid the Red Elephant and take the owner away. 61 people so far. My advise to anyone visiting, bring a copy of your details page of your passport with you and once you get stamped take a photo of your entry stamp and keep it with you at all times or you could be detained. For those of you like me that have overstayed, carry enough pesos on you to pay the fine once you are bused to Puerto Plata.Read about that today on fb. Just returned Monday and didn't even experience anything like that. Friend got pulled over for no helmet too and nothing. Maybe because we looked like weekend warriors LOL.
PUERTO PLATA. - The local authorities of the General Directorate of Migration (DGM) made a tremendous lapse this Thursday afternoon when in an operation carried out in the towns of Sosúa and Cabarete against illegal aliens, supposedly confused a group of tourists Canadians with undocumented outsiders, which created a situation of despair and was rated as very dangerous by some hoteliers.
As reported by the journalist Junior Henríquez, among the tourists who were confused as foreigners without legal permission to be in the country is a Canadian national who reported that he came to Puerto Plata to spend a month on vacation and was arrested when he went to The beach, because the immigration agents introduced him to a bus without words and did not allow him to explain that he was a tourist and had documents that accredit him as a legal visitor.
It is stated that in the group of agents of the General Directorate of Migration (DGM) there was no one who spoke English or French and it was necessary that an employee of an apartment where tourists stay, came to the aid of tourists arrested by mistake, the Which sought the passports of foreigners, which in spite of everything were stopped in that bus for more than 8 hours and were transferred to the city of Puerto Plata.
Also, the communicator Oscar Peralta, said that the group of Canadian foreigners arrived in Sosúa on vacation, have spent several weeks enjoying beaches, sun, nature and tranquility, still obviating the deterioration of streets, sidewalks and rests, but when they walked Through the streets of that locality between shopping and distraction they are approached by a Migration brigade requesting documents and identification.
Foreigners, of course, explain to immigration officials that they have their documents in the hotel, but without words they were mounted on a bus and taken to Puerto Plata to find out their immigration status, so that approximately five hours Then they were released.
PUERTO PLATA. - The local authorities of the General Directorate of Migration (DGM) made a tremendous lapse this Thursday afternoon when in an operation carried out in the towns of Sosa and Cabarete against illegal aliens, supposedly confused a group of tourists Canadians with undocumented outsiders, which created a situation of despair and was rated as very dangerous by some hoteliers.
As reported by the journalist Junior Henrquez, among the tourists who were confused as foreigners without legal permission to be in the country is a Canadian national who reported that he came to Puerto Plata to spend a month on vacation and was arrested when he went to The beach, because the immigration agents introduced him to a bus without words and did not allow him to explain that he was a tourist and had documents that accredit him as a legal visitor.
It is stated that in the group of agents of the General Directorate of Migration (DGM) there was no one who spoke English or French and it was necessary that an employee of an apartment where tourists stay, came to the aid of tourists arrested by mistake, the Which sought the passports of foreigners, which in spite of everything were stopped in that bus for more than 8 hours and were transferred to the city of Puerto Plata.
Also, the communicator Oscar Peralta, said that the group of Canadian foreigners arrived in Sosa on vacation, have spent several weeks enjoying beaches, sun, nature and tranquility, still obviating the deterioration of streets, sidewalks and rests, but when they walked Through the streets of that locality between shopping and distraction they are approached by a Migration brigade requesting documents and identification.
Foreigners, of course, explain to immigration officials that they have their documents in the hotel, but without words they were mounted on a bus and taken to Puerto Plata to find out their immigration status, so that approximately five hours Then they were released.Looks like they have been taking lessons in eptitude from Donald Trump. Very poor reporting, though, not making it clear if these tourists were men, women, and children, or just a posse of mongers. Surprising that even the local reporters cannot spell "Sosua" properly.
From an enforcement point of view, there certainly is a gray area between tourists who visit the DR many times a year, and perhaps even maintain a home and a "wife" there, and nondocumented residents who are way out of compliance with the tourist tax or residency permit and visa requirements, and yet presumably neither group usually carries a passport to the supermarket just in case the Spanish Inquisition stops by for a chat with thumbscrews and cocked pistols. Nobody expects that.
Looks like they have been taking lessons in eptitude from Donald Trump. Very poor reporting, though, not making it clear if these tourists were men, women, and children, or just a posse of mongers. Surprising that even the local reporters cannot spell "Sosua" properly.
From an enforcement point of view, there certainly is a gray area between tourists who visit the DR many times a year, and perhaps even maintain a home and a "wife" there, and nondocumented residents who are way out of compliance with the tourist tax or residency permit and visa requirements, and yet presumably neither group usually carries a passport to the supermarket just in case the Spanish Inquisition stops by for a chat with thumbscrews and cocked pistols. Nobody expects that.They took down story but picture showed a bus full of canandian middle age tourists. A disaster!
I hope this doesn't become a common, widespread dragnet! I don't want to have to worry about getting rousted by "the man" for no reason! I can get that back in the US. Hopefully, this screw up will make them calm down a little.
Charles Pooter
02-04-17, 01:00
Maybe a bit worrying at the time, but will be the high-spot of their holiday (and probably of all their holidays). They will be telling the story in the pubs and clubs back home for a year. Especially as nothing much ever happens in Canada (which I intend as a compliment, by the way).
I remember on my honeymoon, the dumb-ass Russian desk-clerk sent away the taxi we had booked to take us to the airport. We just made the plane by minutes and whenever anyone asked my bride about her Leningrad holiday all she could tell them was how we ran through customs and security and across the tarmac chased by guards with tommy-guns (not firing them, I hasten to add). We were celebrities on the Finnair flight. The Finns love to stick it to their neighbors.
Or when my parents went to Switzerland and their bus overturned. When they got senile it was about all they could recall of their holiday.
Cara Cicatriz
02-04-17, 01:05
Thanks for sharing that excellent game plan Rodeo, it makes sense for the nicer looking girls that we're willing to invest some time for a better experience with.
I'll be in Sosua shortly. I shall report back how I found it. I'm mid 30's and speak Spanish, very experienced with the scene in South East Asia (spent years living there), but no experience in the Caribbean.
What do you guys make of the whole Superbowl thing? Everyone on this thread seems to suggest avoiding that weekend. I had no idea when I booked, but that's today apparently and I'm just on my way to the DR.
Are there more girls in town at least, so worth putting up with the crowds and the higher prices? Or should I just stick to Santo Domingo until Superbowl is over?
Maybe a bit worrying at the time, but will be the high-spot of their holiday (and probably of all their holidays). They will be telling the story in the pubs and clubs back home for a year. Especially as nothing much ever happens in Canada (which I intend as a compliment, by the way).
I remember on my honeymoon, the dumb-ass Russian desk-clerk sent away the taxi we had booked to take us to the airport. We just made the plane by minutes and whenever anyone asked my bride about her Leningrad holiday all she could tell them was how we ran through customs and security and across the tarmac chased by guards with tommy-guns (not firing them, I hasten to add). We were celebrities on the Finnair flight. The Finns love to stick it to their neighbors.
Or when my parents went to Switzerland and their bus overturned. When they got senile it was about all they could recall of their holiday.Canadians are very nice people. I cannot imagine brothers it would have been a riot and someone would have been hurt as they would have gone at them. This is a pr nightmare if this gets out and it will.
They took down story but picture showed a bus full of canandian middle age tourists. A disaster!Strange that the report has now been taken down and has no attribution or dateline. Do you know what date this happened and where the report was published?
Member #4643
02-04-17, 04:29
Because they are real Haitians and she is not.That may be true, but if you do Badoo or Tagged, you will find a lot of truly gorgeous Haitians (that assumes that you like black women). I found one in Boca Chica on Tagged. Gorgeous, bisexual (always a plus) and does not even ask for money (because she is smart, and knows that to really cash in, it's best to hold off).
Parkinsons
02-04-17, 05:56
Strange that the report has now been taken down and has no attribution or dateline. Do you know what date this happened and where the report was published?http://elnacional.com.do/migracion-detiene-25-ciudadanos-de-varias-nacionalidades-en-puerto-plata/
A separate report of police sweeping a restaurant in Cabarete and hauling away citizens of Russia, USA, Canada, Italy, Germany, etc. Photo of paddywagon shows men and women.
Does that mean I have to keep my passport in my swim trunks while on Sosua beach??
http://elnacional.com.do/migracion-detiene-25-ciudadanos-de-varias-nacionalidades-en-puerto-plata/
A separate report of police sweeping a restaurant in Cabarete and hauling away citizens of Russia, USA, Canada, Italy, Germany, etc. Photo of paddywagon shows men and women.
Does that mean I have to keep my passport in my swim trunks while on Sosua beach??I had dinner yesterday evening in Cabarete and things are as usual. The main street was lined up with cars and alot of tourists walking around. The restaurant where we had dinner was also packed with tourists. It looks like either people have not heard about is going on, or are not really fazed by it.
4 February 2017.
Sosua News
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
Sosa, Wednesday, February 2, tourists have been arrested in the streets by soldiers ordered by officials of the immigration service from Santo Domingo. They were checked for a valid identity document. Especially people driving a rented scooter or car were arrested when they could not produce a passport or identity card.
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
The vehicle was then confiscated. Story goes, 47 tourists have been arrested and have been locked up in a bus 7 hours. They were allowed to leave after paying a fine of 2,500 pesos. Most tourists leave their passports safely stored in a safe in the hotel. Just for assurance against loss or theft. Even elderly couples were arrested. According to the local TV station 'Detras Del Rumor' of Fabio Garcia this is a disgrace to Sosa. This way you will chase the tourists away. Not only Detras del Rumor spoke of shame, almost all Dominican entrepreneurs and the local police in Sosa were highly indignant about this action of the immigration service 'la Direcciand General de Migraciand.
4 February 2017.
Sosua News
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
Sosa, Wednesday, February 2, tourists have been arrested in the streets by soldiers ordered by officials of the immigration service from Santo Domingo. They were checked for a valid identity document. Especially people driving a rented scooter or car were arrested when they could not produce a passport or identity card.
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
The vehicle was then confiscated. Story goes, 47 tourists have been arrested and have been locked up in a bus 7 hours. They were allowed to leave after paying a fine of 2,500 pesos. Most tourists leave their passports safely stored in a safe in the hotel. Just for assurance against loss or theft. Even elderly couples were arrested. According to the local TV station 'Detras Del Rumor' of Fabio Garcia this is a disgrace to Sosa. This way you will chase the tourists away. Not only Detras del Rumor spoke of shame, almost all Dominican entrepreneurs and the local police in Sosa were highly indignant about this action of the immigration service 'la Direcciand General de Migraciand.I would like to see where you sourced this information. Care to post a link or state where you found it?
4 February 2017.
Sosua News
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
Sosa, Wednesday, February 2, tourists have been arrested in the streets by soldiers ordered by officials of the immigration service from Santo Domingo. They were checked for a valid identity document. Especially people driving a rented scooter or car were arrested when they could not produce a passport or identity card.
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
The vehicle was then confiscated. Story goes, 47 tourists have been arrested and have been locked up in a bus 7 hours. They were allowed to leave after paying a fine of 2,500 pesos. Most tourists leave their passports safely stored in a safe in the hotel. Just for assurance against loss or theft. Even elderly couples were arrested. According to the local TV station 'Detras Del Rumor' of Fabio Garcia this is a disgrace to Sosa. This way you will chase the tourists away. Not only Detras del Rumor spoke of shame, almost all Dominican entrepreneurs and the local police in Sosa were highly indignant about this action of the immigration service 'la Direcciand General de Migraciand.When you rent a car in the DR, they will often ask you to leave your US (or other country) driver's license as security. I have always left an old license with a former address at the rental office and kept my current license with me in my wallet.
When you rent a car in the DR, they will often ask you to leave your US (or other country) driver's license as security. I have always left an old license with a former address at the rental office and kept my current license with me in my wallet.Someone just reported they are checking people on the beach so very smart have your passport on the beach. Great way to have lost or stolen. Are we sure tourism is there number 1 revenue driver. They have lost there mind!!!
4 February 2017.
Sosua News
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
Sosa, Wednesday, February 2, tourists have been arrested in the streets by soldiers ordered by officials of the immigration service from Santo Domingo. They were checked for a valid identity document. Especially people driving a rented scooter or car were arrested when they could not produce a passport or identity card.
Immigration service has tourists arrested.
The vehicle was then confiscated. Story goes, 47 tourists have been arrested and have been locked up in a bus 7 hours. They were allowed to leave after paying a fine of 2,500 pesos. Most tourists leave their passports safely stored in a safe in the hotel. Just for assurance against loss or theft. Even elderly couples were arrested. According to the local TV station 'Detras Del Rumor' of Fabio Garcia this is a disgrace to Sosa. This way you will chase the tourists away. Not only Detras del Rumor spoke of shame, almost all Dominican entrepreneurs and the local police in Sosa were highly indignant about this action of the immigration service 'la Direcciand General de Migraciand.I got no sympathy for folks who wander around a third world corrupt country and don't carry at least a copy of their ID.
I have been in some scrapes over the years, and I always carry a copy of my ID with my insurance and emergency phone numbers, in case I lose my phone. (and at least a hundred bucks in pesos)
Common sense!
Newbies, please note!
I got no sympathy for folks who wander around a third world corrupt country and don't carry at least a copy of their ID.
I have been in some scrapes over the years, and I always carry a copy of my ID with my insurance and emergency phone numbers, in case I lose my phone.
Common sense!
Newbies, please note!I know there have been many times I have walk to the store or to the beach without my passport or ID card. Makes no sense. Common sense here. Not taking my passport or passport ID to the beach. Great way to hurt tourism. That is like being on south beach in miami and you on the beach and they do an id check and you say in the hotel and they arrest you. You think officials would allow that. No way! Journalist is right a disgrace!!
Mr Enternational
02-04-17, 16:14
For all you Rumba lovers, it is back!
Eszpresszo
02-04-17, 16:32
For all you Rumba lovers, it is back!Any other details?
I know there have been many times I have walk to the store or to the beach without my passport or ID card. Makes no sense. Common sense here. Not taking my passport or passport ID to the beach. Great way to hurt tourism. That is like being on south beach in miami and you on the beach and they do an id check and you say in the hotel and they arrest you. You think officials would allow that. No way! Journalist is right a disgrace!!I'm just saying do what you want, but don't complain about getting cancer if you smoke two packs a day!
I can be pulled over and fined $400 if I can't show my Insurance or license.
And that's only Canada! :)
For all you Rumba lovers, it is back!The more things change. Eh?
Member #2041
02-04-17, 19:08
For all you Rumba lovers, it is back!Payment finally must have cleared.
Member #2041
02-04-17, 19:09
I'm just saying do what you want, but don't complain about getting cancer if you smoke two packs a day!
I can be pulled over and fined $400 if I can't show my Insurance or license.
And that's only Canada! :)Right, but who goes to the beach in Canada? Here's an idea: Make a photocopy of your passport, and take it around with you wherever you go in any foreign country.
Charles Pooter
02-04-17, 21:51
Right, but who goes to the beach in Canada? Here's an idea: Make a photocopy of your passport, and take it around with you wherever you go in any foreign country.I live in the DR. Six years ago I got colored copy of the main page of my passport and had it plastic embedded. 75 pesos in total. Still looks like new and works as well as the original anywhere I have needed it, apart from opening new accounts (bank, Claro, etc) where the original was required.
Because my memory is shit I have got into the habit of putting it in my pocket every time I leave home.
If I were a temporary visitor I would also get the page with my entry stamp copied as well. For a short trip not worth plastic embedding this.
I live in the DR. Six years ago I got colored copy of the main page of my passport and had it plastic embedded. 75 pesos in total. Still looks like new and works as well as the original anywhere I have needed it, apart from opening new accounts (bank, Claro, etc) where the original was required.
Because my memory is shit I have got into the habit of putting it in my pocket every time I leave home.
If I were a temporary visitor I would also get the page with my entry stamp copied as well. For a short trip not worth plastic embedding this.Can we assume by "plastic embedded" you mean laminated? If so, sounds like a pretty simple fix. If not, please explain.
Thanks!
Manizales911
02-04-17, 21:55
I know there have been many times I have walk to the store or to the beach without my passport or ID card. Makes no sense. Common sense here. Not taking my passport or passport ID to the beach. Great way to hurt tourism. That is like being on south beach in miami and you on the beach and they do an id check and you say in the hotel and they arrest you. You think officials would allow that. No way! Journalist is right a disgrace!!
I got no sympathy for folks who wander around a third world corrupt country and don't carry at least a copy of their ID.
I have been in some scrapes over the years, and I always carry a copy of my ID with my insurance and emergency phone numbers, in case I lose my phone. (and at least a hundred bucks in pesos)
Common sense!
Newbies, please note!The law is very very clear on this, you must carry proof of identification and proof of you being here legally at all times. Therefore a passport card is no good as it does not show when you entered into the country. You may not.
Like the law but it is not our country, respect the rules, it's not that hard.
Manizales911
02-04-17, 22:50
The law is very very clear on this, you must carry proof of identification and proof of you being here legally at all times. Therefore a passport card is no good as it does not show when you entered into the country. You may not.
Like the law but it is not our country, respect the rules, it's not that hard.I have been told that pictures of your do uments on your phone have been rejected, I am trying to verify if this is the case.
As of 18.45 hours February 4, 2017 Rumba is closed. No business going on at all. None last night either.
As of 18.45 hours February 4, 2017 Rumba is closed. No business going on at all. None last night either.
Cara Cicatriz
02-05-17, 00:52
I would like to see where you sourced this information. Care to post a link or state where you found it?http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php
I was eating lunch at Bergen Street across from Runba enjoying the sights. Tons of women out here all shapes and colors but be careful because all ages too. The guy that cooked chicken and rumba was in front of the spot saying it will be open tomorrow. Last night I was in Clasicos The place was so packed it was unbearable left after a half an hour.
It was more guys than girls hopefully tonight will be the opposite. Downstairs tons of women it's a buyers market.
I drove by field of dreams some very nice women A new owner worth the trip. Here's a pic she said don't show her face but ass and🤡pussy is OK
If you don't think this Brooklyn Haitian girl has an ass you must be seeing double.
Charles Pooter
02-05-17, 04:48
I drove by field of dreams some very nice women A new owner worth the trip. When did it change ownership? Is the new owner hands on?
Riky Rapido
02-05-17, 04:53
I have been told that pictures of your do uments on your phone have been rejected, I am trying to verify if this is the case.Plain and simple. The ports of entry to the USA is tightening, the same is happening here, if it keeps on the tourist industry will turn to shit. Thanks to Das Fuhrer Herr Drumpf.
This act was an aberration. I bet the guys who did this got their asses handed to them. I doubt this will happen again. Walking around with your pass port while partying is not a good idea IMHO. Losing a pass port while on vacation is a position I would never want to be in. It is about personal risk. I am willing to take the chance with immigration but not willing to be risk losing my passport.
Right, but who goes to the beach in Canada? Here's an idea: Make a photocopy of your passport, and take it around with you wherever you go in any foreign country.
This act was an aberration. I bet the guys who did this got their asses handed to them. I doubt this will happen again. Walking around with your pass port while partying is not a good idea IMHO. Losing a pass port while on vacation is a position I would never want to be in. It is about personal risk. I am willing to take the chance with immigration but not willing to be risk losing my passport.I never realized to recently that my dumb ass should have a copy of your passport and important numbers on you when heading out. I went over 5 times to DR and never did this but was stupid. It's been over 5 years now though. However, going to CR (Costa Rica) it was standard practice at hotel I checked in to that they said copy of my passport and stamps of dates I'm there in case I get asked. I then put that in my wallet. Which now, is a "second wallet" used for when I got out. Especially important if you like to drink like me.
I remember plenty of "policia" around Sosua when I was there, especially around La Passions (RIP) and people say would be seedy at night Sosua.
Based on all these posts, seems to me nothing has changed which is awesome. Stay at New Garden or stay at Terra Linda, I'm sure Terra Linda is "more annoying for girls" but just take care of you security boys and you'll be alright. Classicos is a blast with dancing and shady characters, but you can find some damn good gals in there. And oh how I miss dancing with them with Dr girls love!
I did pick up on previous post about motococho which I found interesting. I went like 3 times to Sosua and never once did a motococho. I drank, had fun, hopped on one and was at my destination in two seconds with my gal on a later trip. Just keep it short, a few blocks tops at night when you had some drinks or need a quick trip. Little traffic, and affordable. Plus, gals don't get sweaty or you and will be cuddled up right behind you on one.
I'm looking forward to doing some comparison of the Dr to Colombia shortly as will be there next month. I have a feeling though they will be quite different beast considering the DR is tropical and a different world than some city in middle of CO city in the mountains.
Good stuff folks. I'm excited for a FOD, New Garden, Classicos run already.
Husker Dude
02-05-17, 06:54
When did it change ownership? Is the new owner hands on?I stayed 5 days at FOD a couple weeks ago. They do not have a new owner. Actually I should say management group. It is completely Dominican run by Pedro. His kids; daughter and son actually are on site to run it. It's kind of disorganized. They have taken over for the last couple years since they got rid of Jeffrey. Rooms are OK and they have excellent water pressure and hot water something that BB does not have. The girls on site are varied in sizes. Several cows, as I call them were there for a few days of my stay, but lots of spinners too. The girls just come and go there. Food is descent, but priced kind of high. FOD is isolated as you have to taxi to go anywhere.
Here is the article on the tourists arrested.
Sosua-News.
Sosúa, Wednesday, February 2, tourists have been arrested in the streets by soldiers ordered by officials of the immigration service from Santo Domingo. They were checked for a valid identity document. Especially people driving a rented scooter or car were arrested when they could not produce a passport or identity card.
The vehicle was then confiscated. Story goes, 47 tourists have been arrested and have been locked up in a bus 7 hours. They were allowed to leave after paying a fine of 2,500 pesos. Most tourists leave their passports safely stored in a safe in the hotel. Just for assurance against loss or theft. Even elderly couples were arrested. According to the local TV station 'Detras Del Rumor' of Fabio Garcia this is a disgrace to Sosúa. This way you will chase the tourists away. Not only Detras del Rumor spoke of shame, almost all Dominican entrepreneurs and the local police in Sosúa were highly indignant about this action of the immigration service 'la Direccióand General de Migracióand.
Just my take but the red flag is the DOP 2,500 fine. Just another way of making money. From my experience with Sosua every so often the police get the urge to stop tourists on scooters or motoconchos, especially if they do not have a helmet. Barring this, they check for a driver's license.
With rented cars it is having a driver's license or being fined for not having your seat belt on.
In this case, immigration took it a step further.
Now, multiply 2500 by 47. I guess immigration did well. Sounds like a money making venture to me.
I guess after all the complaints Immigration ran off crying (all the way to the bank.) They will be hurting (more like laughing, by the look of things) for a while.
That said, I always carry copies of my passport book, a passport card and my birth certificate. I do like Oldkool says and leave the originals in the hotel safe.
As for the police being upset. It is because they did not think of it themselves. Any true veteran monger, or his friend, will have experienced or heard stories of tourists being shaken down by the Politur (or Cestur). Sounds like business as usual.
Just my take but the red flag is the DOP 2,500 fine. Just another way of making money. From my experience with Sosua every so often the police get the urge to stop tourists on scooters or motoconchos, especially if they do not have a helmet. Barring this, they check for a driver's license.
With rented cars it is having a driver's license or being fined for not having your seat belt on.
In this case, immigration took it a step further.
Now, multiply 2500 by 47. I guess immigration did well. Sounds like a money making venture to me.
I guess after all the complaints Immigration ran off crying (all the way to the bank.) They will be hurting (more like laughing, by the look of things) for a while.
That said, I always carry copies of my passport book, a passport card and my birth certificate. I do like Oldkool says and leave the originals in the hotel safe.
As for the police being upset. It is because they did not think of it themselves. Any true veteran monger, or his friend, will have experienced or heard stories of tourists being shaken down by the Politur (or Cestur). Sounds like business as usual.Business as usual it is!
The deck chairs are re-arranged occasionally, bars close, another one opens up next door, an old one re-opens with a new name.
The locals refer to places by the old name, I. E. Happy Bar Pizza, although the New York Pizza has nothing in common with the dance bar that preceded it.
Your favorite restaurant / pub might be bulldozed, closed, renamed the next time you are there.
I have seen it all.
So called "crackdowns" occur randomly and often. Sometimes it is closing in the open windows of bars, sometimes confiscating motoconchos for not wearing helmets, sometimes posting signs, no women allowed without escorts. Periodic roundups of Hatians, Streetwalkers and even road workers taken off the street.
Tomorrow chairs on the street could be banned, or even all traffic.
"Fines" are designed to be affordable, levied with a smile, and the average monger is not likely to be "disappeared" into the bowels of some third world jail.
It keeps the place from becoming too boring.
Some of our more excitable mongers see these changes as the latest "death knell" and predict the demise of Sosua, yet again, but a couple days later it is back to business as usual. All is forgotten.
When I ask local friends about this crazy stuff they say it is just about a show of the flag by politicians who have made promises, and the Cestur / Politur / Federales activities are used to keep them busy and in training, just like any drill. Tomorrow it could be open drinking on the main street, or some obscure building infraction.
There's really nothing else for them to do! Might as well have them produce a little income, for themselves and the public coffers.
So enjoy Rumba and D'Latin, or is it City Lights and Bourbon Street today?
Just be sure to carry a copy of your papers, and a few pesos for emergemcies.
Treat the cops with respect, they are bored too. Chasing hoes down the street is not what they signed up for.
Charles Pooter
02-05-17, 17:52
FOD ... do not have a new owner.Thanks. I was surprised when Scotch posted that they did have.
Blackbeards is isolated as you have to take a taxi to go anywhere.I corrected that for you.
Field of Dreams is very conveniently located. 25 ride minutes to Sosua for 50 pesos. 10 minutes ride to Puerto Plata city center for 25 pesos. Playa Dorada 10 minutes walk. Nevertheless, I would not normally recommend anyone to stay there with that mob in charge.
Manizales911
02-05-17, 17:53
Just my take but the red flag is the DOP 2,500 fine. Just another way of making money. From my experience with Sosua every so often the police get the urge to stop tourists on scooters or motoconchos, especially if they do not have a helmet. Barring this, they check for a driver's license.
With rented cars it is having a driver's license or being fined for not having your seat belt on.
In this case, immigration took it a step further.
Now, multiply 2500 by 47. I guess immigration did well. Sounds like a money making venture to me.
I guess after all the complaints Immigration ran off crying (all the way to the bank.) They will be hurting (more like laughing, by the look of things) for a while.
That said, I always carry copies of my passport book, a passport card and my birth certificate. I do like Oldkool says and leave the originals in the hotel safe.
As for the police being upset. It is because they did not think of it themselves. Any true veteran monger, or his friend, will have experienced or heard stories of tourists being shaken down by the Politur (or Cestur). Sounds like business as usual.You're wrong, this is serious shit. The people that paid the 2500 pesos were given an extension and a receipt for the money to show to immigration at the airport when leaving. Don't confuse Immigration police with the police walking the street, they aren't going to take bribes or put money in their own pocket. This has been 2 or 3 years in the making and is not going away, we have been warned about this happening but every body thought that they would only come down on the Haitians. If they want to force the illegal Haitians out they need to come down on other illegal foreigners or else they will lose foreign aid.
You're wrong, this is serious shit. The people that paid the 2500 pesos were given an extension and a receipt for the money to show to immigration at the airport when leaving. Don't confuse Immigration police with the police walking the street, they aren't going to take bribes or put money in their own pocket. This has been 2 or 3 years in the making and is not going away, we have been warned about this happening but every body thought that they would only come down on the Haitians. If they want to force the illegal Haitians out they need to come down on other illegal foreigners or else they will lose foreign aid.Ok, but, I talked to brothers on the ground and he said none of them have their passports on them and immigration looks the other way when they see them. So, why not stop everyone. But, you arrest canadians for having passports in the hotel.
You're wrong, this is serious shit. The people that paid the 2500 pesos were given an extension and a receipt for the money to show to immigration at the airport when leaving. Don't confuse Immigration police with the police walking the street, they aren't going to take bribes or put money in their own pocket. This has been 2 or 3 years in the making and is not going away, we have been warned about this happening but every body thought that they would only come down on the Haitians. If they want to force the illegal Haitians out they need to come down on other illegal foreigners or else they will lose foreign aid.I second that, in Cabarete they rounded up a guy who has been in the D.R. for 20 years without ever getting residency. He had to pay 5 k us dollars in order to be released in POP.
I had not been to field of dreams in years I think the owners name was Billy last time I was there.
He was an ex pat the manager on site now is a Dominican guy. They Had a couple of spinners.
Last night we walk to Classico and Guys were coming out saying it was Too pack. We hung out downstairs for a little while it was a decent selection of girls in the bar. Then we went to city lights lots of women especially Haitians girls there. I Had a nice time with a Haitian girl last night best out of the five girls on the trip the other four were Dominicans. If anybody knows of a big Super Bowl party tonight please post It. Fellas mentioned the sunrise and bellamar hotel along with City lights are doing something today. My hotel is brand-new or I should say still under construction the TV and wifi are not working yet but the food is excellent three meals a day. It's owned by the X owner of the Victorian house. He also owns the Bourbon street restaurant.
I'll let you guys know if Rumbas open tonight.
Charles Pooter
02-05-17, 22:04
I drove by field of dreams ... a new owner.
I had not been to field of dreams in years I think the owners name was Billy last time I was there.LOL. We shall not be relying on you for news flashes. Billy departed from Field of Dreams over nine years ago! There have been at least four longish-term regimes since him, not counting temporary re-shuffles (Cristal's owner, Alberto & Amado, Jeffrey etc, and the current mob). When Billy ran it there were no on-site putas, guys took in their own girls. In my opinion a much better model.
I had a nice time with a Haitian girl last night. Best out of the five girls on the trip. The other four were Dominicans.OK, now I am warming to you. Another convert to the dark side. I hope the ratio will be the other way round on your next visit (hopefully not another nine years distant?
Business as usual it is!
The deck chairs are re-arranged occasionally,
So called "crackdowns" occur randomly and often Maybe, maybe not. This board does not seem to have a very good record on making predictions about Dominican politics, and things that seem random to the casual observer must always have some underlying rationale, even if we don't know what it is. I remember Cuba Dave saying the same thing about the closure of La Pasion nightclub, that a few bribes needed to be paid and normal service would be resumed at the famous brothel as soon as possible. I wonder what he is doing now.
I was eating lunch at Bergen Street across from Runba enjoying the sights. The guy that cooked chicken and rumba was in front of the spot saying it will be open tomorrow. Last night I was in Clasicos The place was so packed it was unbearable left after a half an hour.
It was more guys than girls hopefully tonight will be the opposite. Downstairs tons of women it's a buyers market.
I drove by field of dreams some very nice women A new owner worth the trip. Here's a pic she said don't show her face but ass and🤡pussy is OKI believe the place you were eating at was Bourbon Street. And RUMBA is across the street. If the guy on crutches (they call him chicken man) is the one who told you that Rumba is supposed to be open on Super Bowl, he mislead you. In fact he's been telling people since last year that Rumba would be opening soon. All of his reports and predictions have been false. And as far as I know, he isn't the one cooking. He waited on folks. Maybe he used to cook? One of the main cooks for Rumba ( when it was open ), NOW works at The Tree House bar / restaurant on the beach. #112. Short stocky Dominican.
So as of 1205 midnight, Rumba did NOT open for Super Bowl to the general public. And was not open for business. False rumors and reports is the norm in the DR. I've got to the point that I do not rely on most of what I hear people say, until the information is confirmed.
You're wrong, this is serious shit. The people that paid the 2500 pesos were given an extension and a receipt for the money to show to immigration at the airport when leaving...In all due respect, where did you get this information?
Also, where does one go in Sosua to make a copy of their passport, with stamp? How much would it cost?
As always, Manizales, thanks for your input. It is always appreciated.
Maybe, maybe not. This board does not seem to have a very good record on making predictions about Dominican politics, and things that seem random to the casual observer must always have some underlying rationale, even if we don't know what it is. I remember Cuba Dave saying the same thing about the closure of La Pasion nightclub, that a few bribes needed to be paid and normal service would be resumed at the famous brothel as soon as possible. I wonder what he is doing now."Even if we don't know what it is", this mysterious, almost religious "underlying rationale" to you, is no such thing to locals. They understand the corrupt game that goes on. I explained it in my post, Simply politics and money. The age old tension between what politicians say to become popular vs what they actually do!
When I first started hangin with the locals I kept hearing the word "mafia". I was curious as to where this mafia was. Turns out the words mafiosa and mafioso describe individual bad dudes, while "mafia" is their word for the political powers that be that are in charge of essential services like water and electricity, and decide what will be enforcement flavor of the month.
I don't listen to "predictions" from this board, or rumors. Most turn out to be useless. 180 degrees wrong, or only half the story.
Things like Sosua prostitution being on its last legs, or Sosua dying as a prostitution destination. Sosua as a dangerous place. A den of thieves. So-called "smart" mongers moving out.
If I did I would not be going back as often as I could for that cheap, beautiful, abundance of safe tropical pussy. I'd rather believe my own lyin' eyes. My own enjoyment of the place improves with every visit, if that is possible.
I don't know why some folks here are not happy to hear that, but that's their problem.
I agree with them in one aspect, they SHOULD move on!
To mix metaphors, Sosua is the energizer bunny that keeps on ticking, and defies all exaggerated reports of its death! It just needs a new battery now and then!
Truth is it runs on money and politics, like all places.
I just like the fact that the locals are far more aware of this than your average PC NA resident who tend to idolize their politicians. :)
We watch the Super Bowl in the back of city lights. It was about 12 of us so you should've saw the waitresses argue over who's customers we were a real clown show very unorganized. After the game hung out in the city lights Waiting on a waitress to get off work Classicao closed at 1 o'clock on Super Bowl Sunday. I thought they would ease the ban for the Super Bowl, but I was wrong. Supposedly plaza casino stays open all night never been there. We went to the casino near the old Victorian house it was dead just a couple of stragglers. OK fellas I'll keep you guys posted I have to get rid of this waitress it's her day off but she's not staying with me.
In all due respect, where did you get this information?
Also, where does one go in Sosua to make a copy of their passport, with stamp? How much would it cost?
As always, Manizales, thanks for your input. It is always appreciated.I know and used two places in Sosua to get my passport copied. The 1st place is the computer / office center in the plaza behind Baileys restaurant on Alejo Martinez. Their color copying is very reasonably priced. Next is the business / office store on calle Dr. Rosen. If you stand in the Metro Bus station parking lot (facing calle Dr. Rosen) , you can look right at it. They also made the same color copies, and lamination. For some reason, I prefer going to the store behind Baileys Restaurant.
I had my 1st two pages copied in color then laminated in actual size of my passport. One side has my photo, details and the other side is the 2nd page of my passport. On another occasion I also had them make the same copies of my passport, then they shrunk it down into the size of a credit card. Laminated. I try to get them to make at least 5 copies. I haven't yet copied my entry stamp. Mainly because I'm still legal from when I left and returned back in January.
I also got several laminated copies of my Universal Medical Insurance Card, and my USA driver license. They all look very official in color and laminated to look like the real thing.
For those possibly needing to pay for an overstay of their tourist visa:
Yesterday went to La Sirena in PP. Did a dry run looking for the DR Immigration Office at 95 Calle Beller, near Calle 20 de Diciembre. Calle Beller runs One way, west to east, until you get past calle 27 de Febreo, then it becomes two way ( The street name may change? ), . Once I was driving on Beller traveling east, I realized that I had been on it dozens of times.
If you follow it towards the direction of Sosua it will take you to the big circle where that Judicial Office bldg is and the main autopista. Coming from the direction of Sosua, heading into Puerto Plata, you would have to follow the same road going in the opposite direction, knowing that it splits in the area of 27 de Febrero and becomes one way, east to west ( again do not know the name, but it runs parallel to Calle Beller ).
After about 5 to 8 blocks past 27 de Febrero, you will have to turn left (at least 2 blocks past calle 20 de Diciembre) on one of those side streets to head about 2 blocks south to Calle Beller to turn left to go back east. If you turn onto Calle Beller and the address numbers are higher than 95, then the Immigration office is behind you. And you need to navigate to go back. If you turn on Calle Beller and the numbers are lower than 95, then just keep driving looking on your right hand side for it. Next door is the TSS office. Dont look for any large office building. You could easily pass it because the entrance to the Immigration bldg is relatively small and it doesnt seem like it belongs in the area.
Thanks Wrx2005 for the valuable information. It will definitely come in handy, with making copies and the overstay issue.
Returning to the arrests I could be mistaken but there is no indication of an overstay in the post of the arrested tourists (post number 28049). It still seems like the usual shakedown of people on motorized vehicles, since this was Immigrations focus. If it was a paperwork issue than Immigration would be stopping every tourist they see and checking them out (has anybody on this board been stopped, checked out, and arrested over this issue? I would like to hear your story.). It sounds like a particular, limited, group was targeted, as is always the case.
We will see how it all turns out but stuff like this usually calms down after a while.
We watch the Super Bowl in the back of city lights. It was about 12 of us so you should've saw the waitresses argue over who's customers we were a real clown show very unorganized. After the game hung out in the city lights Waiting on a waitress to get off work Classicao closed at 1 o'clock on Super Bowl Sunday. I thought they would ease the ban for the Super Bowl, but I was wrong. Supposedly plaza casino stays open all night never been there. We went to the casino near the old Victorian house it was dead just a couple of stragglers. OK fellas I'll keep you guys posted I have to get rid of this waitress it's her day off but she's not staying with me.Can you PM me with the waitress' name?
Thanks Wrx2005 for the valuable information. It will definitely come in handy, with making copies and the overstay issue.
Returning to the arrests I could be mistaken but there is no indication of an overstay in the post of the arrested tourists (post number 28049). It still seems like the usual shakedown of people on motorized vehicles, since this was Immigrations focus. If it was a paperwork issue than Immigration would be stopping every tourist they see and checking them out (has anybody on this board been stopped, checked out, and arrested over this issue? I would like to hear your story.). It sounds like a particular, limited, group was targeted, as is always the case.
We will see how it all turns out but stuff like this usually calms down after a while.You are welcome. And yes we will see how this plays out. Since it is not easy to figure out the motives behind this, why they targeted certain people / places, and what is going to happen next.
You are welcome. And yes we will see how this plays out. Since it is not easy to figure out the motives behind this, why they targeted certain people / places, and what is going to happen next.Looks like Punta Cana / Bavaro will be next.
http://bavarodigital.net/2017/02/05/atencion-migracion-deportara-a-extranjeros-sin-estatus-migratorio-actualizado/
Looks like Punta Cana / Bavaro will be next.
http://bavarodigital.net/2017/02/05/atencion-migracion-deportara-a-extranjeros-sin-estatus-migratorio-actualizado/First, I hope my fellow board members do not mind it when I copy and paste articles directly into this forum. I do so since, many times, after a certain period, some links stop working. Second, on some computers the links do work but in others they do not.
Not that I discourage links but occassionally clicking them puts some unwanted stuff on people's computers.
Finally, the link is to a Spanish article. An English translation is helpful for my fellow brothers out there who do not read Spanish.
Below is a translation of the link http://bavarodigital.net/2017/02/05/...o-actualizado/.
In the area of Bavaro. Punta Cana, sources close to Bavaro Digital reported that there will be massive detentions in the month of March-April by the Migration Department. We advise foreigners to come to normalize and regularize their papers and residence permits in the Dominican Republic.
SANTO DOMINGO. - The General Directorate of Migration (DGM) calls on all foreign nationals residing in the Dominican Republic with expired immigration status to renew their residence cards, in accordance with the provisions of Law No. 285-04 General of Migration. In a press release, the DGM indicates that according to the provisions of article 25 of the Law, "foreigners authorized to remain in the country, are obliged to obtain, maintain and carry their immigration identification documents. ".
In that sense, it states that "foreign citizens with immigration status due in any of the categories: students, temporary workers, temporary residents, permanent residents and investors, must proceed with the renewal of their immigration identification documents. " The institution informs that in order to do so, they must come to the Headquarters, located in Santo Domingo, Distrito Nacional, at George Washington Avenue, Hroes de Luperand, (La Feria) from Monday to Friday, 08:00 AM to 4:00 PM.
In the case of foreign citizens residing in localities of the interior of the country, the renewal of their documents can be carried out in the regional offices of the DGM in bevaro, La Altagracia Province, for the East zone and in the regional offices of Santiago de LOS Caballeros and Puerto Plata, for the Cibao region and the North.
The agency issued a warning following the arrest of a number of foreigners in the last hours in Puerto Plata, Sosa and Cabarete, after establishing that they were residing illegally in the country, most of them with a residence permit and other documents Expired.
During operations carried out by immigration inspectors in Puerto Plata, Sosa and Cabarete, several Canadians, Russians, Germans, Italians, Venezuelans, Cubans, Americans and other nationalities who were illegally residing in the country were detained, after leaving their residence permit, States the entity.
However, the Migration Directorate reports that many of the detainees proceeded immediately to renew their documents in order to stay longer in the national territory, so that the entity deprived them of their deportation.
He warns, however, that other foreigners who maintain an attitude of indifference in the renewal of their stay permits in the Dominican Republic and other important documents will be located and could be removed from the national territory for violation of law 285-04 on Migration.
"We are exhausting the decision to call those foreigners to come to our offices to regularize their documents because otherwise, we will act accordingly," says a communication from the General Directorate of Migration delivered to journalists of this medium who cover the source.
Where to seek help. In addition, the entity explains that in addition to the main office located in the Center of Heroes, Migration also opened premises in Punta Cana and bevaro, where foreigners can go to normalize and regularize their roles and residence permits in the Dominican Republic and Covers both workers and students of different nationalities residing here.
This puts a different spin on the article I previously posted (post number 28045). The above article does not mention tourists, people who ride motorized vehicles being particularly targeted, or even a DOP 2,500 (this is the fine one pays for overstaying from one day to three months!
It seems that there are two groups here: the overstays (the above article) and the tourists (post 28045). Either the media are confusing the two, reporting it incorrectly, both media have a different focus, or Immigration (or law enforcement sent out to do their bidding), in it's overzealousness are targeting overstays and accidentally arresting tourists in the process.
It could even be that Immigration is arresting tourists, along with the overstays, knowing that tourists will pay up since many have to be back home by a certain time. Surely, if I was arrested I would be worried about being detained so long that I would miss my plane back home (and have problems explaining myself to my boss). I could easily see a nave tourist, not overstaying, not speaking Spanish, being made to pay a fine for not having documents on hand. Excuse my skepticism and cynicism but I have been to DR so many times I am still amazed at all the scams some Islanders pull.
Although I've not seen my buddy in several years he once explained to me that he always overstays, saying that it is cheaper and less hassle to pay the fine than it is to gain citizenship. Every so often he left the country and reentered, to avoid any complications. My friend is a businessman so obtaining a Resident or Business visa would cost $125 (which is DOP 5843, not counting cost of paperwork, and other expenses, claiming residency).
For that he could overstay in the DR up to 9-12 months and only pay a DOP 5,000 fine. The way Dominican Immigration works overstaying is simply the better option.
I guess many others have been doing the same thing and now they are cracking down on it. The problem are not the overstays but how the government has been addressing the issue. Like the motoconcho guys. They are all suppose to be wearing helmets. Every so often they enforce this law by confiscating the bikes. Then the police get lax and the motoconcho guys return to their old ways.
Let us see how long this Immigration crackdown lasts.
Manizales, Wrx2005, Berthold, and everyone else, thanks for your imput.
Hey guys,
I've seen some great sleeves on the chicas in DR. I assume they probably get the best work in Santo Domingo, but thought I'd ask about any reputable places in Sosua or elsewhere on the North coast. Any ideas on pricing would be great too! It's got to be cheaper than in the US! Safety is important of course.
......Although I've not seen my buddy in several years he once explained to me that he always overstays, saying that it is cheaper and less hassle to pay the fine than it is to gain citizenship. Every so often he left the country and reentered, to avoid any complications. My friend is a businessman so obtaining a Resident or Business visa would cost $125 (which is DOP 5843, not counting cost of paperwork, and other expenses, claiming residency).
For that he could overstay in the DR up to 9-12 months and only pay a DOP 5,000 fine. The way Dominican Immigration works overstaying is simply the better option.
I guess many others have been doing the same thing and now they are cracking down on it. The problem are not the overstays but how the government has been addressing the issue. Like the motoconcho guys. They are all suppose to be wearing helmets. Every so often they enforce this law by confiscating the bikes. Then the police get lax and the motoconcho guys return to their old ways.
Let us see how long this Immigration crackdown lasts.
Manizales, Wrx2005, Berthold, and everyone else, thanks for your imput.Thanks for the details.
Seems pretty straight forward to me, nothing mysterious there.
Play by their rules, carry a copy of your papers, be respectful of their laws and culture while you are there, and you'll be fine. It's hard, as they say, to cheat an honest man.
If you ignore, or try or game the rules, like the examples above, you are on your own. Good luck with that!
I stand by my point. You cannot arrest tourists for leaving there passports in there hotel room. Just cannot do that. You have to be smart in how you approach a situation. I say again not bringing my passport to the beach.
7 February 2017.
Migracióand apologizes.
Wednesday, 2 February, officials from the immigration department (la Direccióand General de Migración) came to Sosúa to check on illegal practices. Officers checked bars and restaurants on the possession of the necessary permits and if t.
A number of businesses were fined because they did not meet these requirements. Furthermore, officials were looking for foreigners staying here illegally and are on the Interpol list. The following day they went to Cabarete for the same reason. Here quite a few businesses were fined because they had foreigners employed for example as cook or waitress, without a work permit. But the overzealous officials also fined innocent tourists, which appears to be a mistake according to the spokesman of Migracióand. For that they offer apologies and the tourists can rest assured that it will not happen again.
Some info about stay in DR:
Tourists who want to stay longer in the Dominican Republic than 30 days must pay a fee when leaving the country.
I stand by my point. You cannot arrest tourists for leaving there passports in there hotel room. Just cannot do that. You have to be smart in how you approach a situation. I say again not bringing my passport to the beach.Source of the news story contained in the original of the above post is: Soss-News (sosuanews.com).
With all the fake news going around I don't have any idea why people don't identify the source of information used to support your assertions. Unless you quoting the proverbial source "that does not want to be identified" or "who is not authorized to speak on the subject" or "who is close to (insert name of important individual here)". Right?!
ROTFLMAO!
I stand by my point. You cannot arrest tourists for leaving there passports in there hotel room. Just cannot do that. You have to be smart in how you approach a situation. I say again not bringing my passport to the beach.
7 February 2017.
Migraciand apologizes.
Wednesday, 2 February, officials from the immigration department (la Direcciand General de Migracin) came to Sosa to check on illegal practices. Officers checked bars and restaurants on the possession of the necessary permits and if t.
A number of businesses were fined because they did not meet these requirements. Furthermore, officials were looking for foreigners staying here illegally and are on the Interpol list. The following day they went to Cabarete for the same reason. Here quite a few businesses were fined because they had foreigners employed for example as cook or waitress, without a work permit. But the overzealous officials also fined innocent tourists, which appears to be a mistake according to the spokesman of Migraciand. For that they offer apologies and the tourists can rest assured that it will not happen again.
Some info about stay in DR:
Tourists who want to stay longer in the Dominican Republic than 30 days must pay a fee when leaving the country.For the record, overstaying your permitted time in the Dominican Republic is subject to a fine of 2,500 pesos and up. It is not a fee, but a fine.
It's the law which will allow them to detain you, if they decide to for any reason.
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