Sosua Reports

[Prowler2]

Hell, I hate to open my first post with a question, but after several years and mongering locations, I am ready to take my first quick trip to Sosua.

After quite a bit of lurking and researching this very informative sight, I feel as though I have a rather good feel for the place.

I just have one question. Due to time constraints, I can only do a 4 day 3 night trip. I've read up and down these posts and reports and I still can't determine which is the nicest Chica Friendly Hotel in the area!

I've read the posts about the usual places like Europa and BB's, but am hoping to stay somewhere more upscale. Any feedback would be most appreciated.

I will contribute my report when I get back. I'm looking at Jan 11-14th.

Thanks for the help!

[Escort King]

Hell, I hate to open my first post with a question, but after several years and mongering locations, I am ready to take my first quick trip to Sosua.

After quite a bit of lurking and researching this very informative sight, I feel as though I have a rather good feel for the place.

I just have one question. Due to time constraints, I can only do a 4 day 3 night trip. I've read up and down these posts and reports and I still can't determine which is the nicest Chica Friendly Hotel in the area!

I've read the posts about the usual places like Europa and BB's, but am hoping to stay somewhere more upscale. Any feedback would be most appreciated.

I will contribute my report when I get back. I'm looking at Jan 11-14th.

Thanks for the help!

I would go Field of Dreams.... though not palatial bedrooms - they are clean and comfortable... the place is secluded yet handy to Sousa and POP and BBs... hell Billy will help get you around.
The upscale alternatives are generlly not chica friendly though one a night could be done with a few bribes/extra fees.

[Guthrie]

Hell, I hate to open my first post with a question, but after several years and mongering locations, I am ready to take my first quick trip to Sosua.

After quite a bit of lurking and researching this very informative sight, I feel as though I have a rather good feel for the place.

I just have one question. Due to time constraints, I can only do a 4 day 3 night trip. I've read up and down these posts and reports and I still can't determine which is the nicest Chica Friendly Hotel in the area!

I've read the posts about the usual places like Europa and BB's, but am hoping to stay somewhere more upscale. Any feedback would be most appreciated.

I will contribute my report when I get back. I'm looking at Jan 11-14th.

Thanks for the help!Try the New Garden Hotel on Dr. Rosen in Sosua. A step above Europa.

About the same price but more quiet. Also check out Hotel Residential up the street from the Europa. About $50 / night. Also, Field of Dreams is about 20 mins from Sosua.

[Supertigre]

Hell, I hate to open my first post with a question, but after several years and mongering locations, I am ready to take my first quick trip to Sosua.

After quite a bit of lurking and researching this very informative sight, I feel as though I have a rather good feel for the place.

I just have one question. Due to time constraints, I can only do a 4 day 3 night trip. I've read up and down these posts and reports and I still can't determine which is the nicest Chica Friendly Hotel in the area!

I've read the posts about the usual places like Europa and BB's, but am hoping to stay somewhere more upscale. Any feedback would be most appreciated.

I will contribute my report when I get back. I'm looking at Jan 11-14th.

Thanks for the help!If you are looking for somewhere in Sosua more upscale than the Europa, you have two options. You can either rent a private villa (try Googling something like "Sosua villa rental") or you can take a room at a more upscale hotel like Piergorgio or Sosua-by-the-Sea and then take your chicas to a short stay place--Calypso--for $10 each time, or rent a secondary room at the Europa to use for amatory purposes. I would rent a room at the Europa for the duration.

To stay at one of the upper tier hotels in Sosua, you may get a better rate by purchasing the hotel room in a package with your airline ticket.

Field of Dreams is no more upscale than the Europa--or only fractionally so--and is not terribly conveniently located for Sosua.

Three nights is ample for an enjoyable stay. It may even be the optimum length of stay. I am sure that wherever you decide to room, you will have a great time in Sosua.

[Escort King]

Try the New Garden Hotel on Dr. Rosen in Sosua. A step above Europa.

About the same price but more quiet. Also check out Hotel Residential up the street from the Europa. About $50 / night. Also, Field of Dreams is about 20 mins from Sosua.

yeah but you can get to and from both sousa and pop for 500 pesos so if there are a couple of you it is cheap... and there are usually people at FoD that will split the fare... or Billy can help with transportation....
and the massage girls there is really hot and loves anal!!!

[Loso69]

Flight

I booked the charter flight with Jetairfly through this site:

http://www.jetairfly.com/nl/index.php

This is the Flemish (Belgian) version, but sites for other European countries are available by clicking on the flags at the bottom of the page.

A round-trip ticket from Brussels to Puerto Plata cost me 298€, including all taxes (149€ for each leg).

- The allowance for checked in luggage was 25 kg.
- Meals were included.
* Non-alcoholic beverages were free of charge.
* Alcoholic drinks had to be paid for.
- On the way there, we made a 30 minute stopover in Punta Cana.

The tourist card, which costs 10 USD, was included in the price of my ticket. And there was no departure tax (20 USD) to be paid when I left.

A taxi to the airport costs 600 DOP. But if you ask at hotel reception, they can get a motoconcho to fetch you a “carro publico” for just 300 DOP (+ 30 DOP for the motoconcho).

Restaurants

Rocky’s was by far my favorite restaurant. The first 2 days in the DR, I had the runs. Once I started eating at Rocky’s, that was a thing of the past. The food is prepared fresh, so the service may be a tad slow, but it’s definitely worth the wait.

Ted (the bartender) is a great guy, who has some fascinating stories to tell. At the start of my trip, he was proud to tell everyone he had a girlfriend. A few days later, he was single again.

Unlike in most other restaurants in Sosúa, the menu prices are net – tax is already included and no service charge is added. So don’t forget to tip Ted; he basically lives off his tips.

Marco (the owner) has quite a picture collection, which he may be willing to share with you. The “Doubleicious” collection features some great shots!

The kitchen at Rocky’s closes rather early (between 10 and 10.30 PM). After that, your best bets are the roadside food vendors or PJ’s, which is open 24 hours.

Motoconchos

Motoconchos cost a flat 20 DOP around town. As in Thailand, they’ll charge you double for 2 people. As it’s the same price, I prefer to take separate motoconchos in that case – one for me, one for her. It’s safer and you spread the wealth.

Being cheap when it comes to transportation, I walked everywhere. Most chicas were made to walk from Clasico to my hotel as well – I tell them walking together is romantic.

Laundry

- The lavanderia at the Hotel Europe charges 250 DOP / machine, which is a total rip-off.

- Just a block away, across the street from the Club Residencial, they only charge 120 DOP / machine (washing & drying; no ironing).
* They tried to charge me for 3 machines (white, light color & dark color).
* I quickly straightened that out and reduced it to 2 machines (white & color).
* If you wanna save money on laundry, don’t bring any whites!

- The lavanderia opposite Rocky’s only charges 100 DOP / machine.

SIM Card

I got my local SIM card at the Orange shop next to the Banco Popular.

- You need to bring your passport.
- The SIM card (activacion) cost me 350 DOP.

Loso

[Loso69]

Timing

I was in Sosúa:

October 12 - October 25 (13 nights)

I spent the first night of my holiday in the DR (October 11) in Puerto Plata.

Statistics

During my 13-day stay in Sosúa, I had:

ST: 11
LT: 7
Girls: 17

I didn’t get laid on my sole night in Puerto Plata.

Merengue Bar & Clasico Disco

The girls and punters who arrive early often hang out at the Merengue Bar downstairs, waiting for the disco to get busy.

Clasico opens at 10 PM and closes at midnight (Sunday–Thursday) or 2AM (Friday & Saturday). Especially on weekdays, that leaves you with precious little time to party and find company for the night.

Still, Clasico Disco is the place where I met most of my chicas and where I have the best memories. Dominicanas love to dance and having a chica rub her ass, tits & pussy against me all evening was a blast. Unfortunately, the performance in bed often didn’t live up to the performance in the disco.

For me, Clasico Disco was the only place in Sosúa where quality talent could be found. Some of the disco girls may hang out at the beach in the daytime or at the multitude of bars along Pedro Clisante earlier in the evening, but the hot babes either can’t be bothered or are otherwise engaged.

To get some quality talent in your room for an afternoon or early evening ST, I would recommend collecting phone numbers in the disco and calling them when you have an urge. I got a few girls’ numbers, but arranged meetings are ultimately not my style.

Pedro Clisante Bars

There are plenty of small bars along the main drag Pedro Clisante & some of its side streets. I never counted them, but have read reports claiming there are 30+ bars. Still, most bars have less than a handful of girls, so I estimate that the total number of chicas would be around the 100 mark.

That’s less than the turnout at the Merengue Bar / Clasico Disco on any given night, and the quality is much lower. I found very few girls to my liking in the bars, except for Yuli from La Bonita... and she wouldn’t go with me.

Sosúa Beach Scene

Some girls also hang out at the Sosúa beach bars during the daytime. Unlike in the disco, there are way more punters than there are chicas and the quality is low.

Sosúa Chicas

Beauty

The overall quality of the selection in Sosúa didn’t impress me at all. Real hotties are few and far between... and they know what they’re worth. Ugly girls are a dime a dozen and can be picked up cheaply... but I had no interest in them.

Price

For the better-looking girls in Sosúa, I generally paid 1500 DOP ST and 2500-3000 DOP LT. Those prices are higher than what my research revealed and more than I expected to be paying.

There were very few chicas I liked, so I always tried to hook up as early as possible in the disco. The later it is, the better your negotiating position, but the beautiful chicas get picked up early. I know that bargains can be had at closing time, but when I was without a chica when Clasico closed, I ended up going home alone. The leftovers didn’t appeal to me.

There are way more punters than there are beautiful girls in Sosúa. Quite a few experienced mongers told me: “If you want quality, you have to pay!” I did want quality. I did pay. Maybe I overpaid?

BTW, I did get plenty of offers as low as 500 DOP ST and 1000 DOP LT. But they were not the kind of girls I wanted to fuck...

Variety

You have a choice between Dominicanas and Haitianas, with skin colors ranging from golden brown to pitch black. There’s plenty of variety in Sosúa.

Blanca chicas are a rarity, though. The only truly blanca chica I met was Carolina, who likes to be called Baby. She has a really pretty face, but her complexion isn’t all that good, so she needs a lot of make-up. Still, she wants 3000 DOP ST... and gets it all the time.

Big Booty

Big booties seemed to be the norm in Sosúa. Of course, the majority of the Sosúa mongers are black Americans and a lot of them indicated a preference for big booties, so there’s definitely a market for them.

I personally prefer flaca chicas. But the face remains the most important selection criterion, so a pretty face always trumps a hot body.

Service

French Kissing

DFK: 5
Nada: 12

I consider no French kissing to be the hallmark of an ultra-professional puta.

French kissing is an essential part of the GFE and this statistic is totally unacceptable!

Blowjobs

BBBJ: 13
CBJ: 3
Nada: 1

Not a perfect score, but good enough.

Fucking

Good Fuck: 11
Sterile Fuck: 5

Once again, decent enough score.

Mentirosas

Some girls promised to spend the night (sleep 8 eight hours – 2 rounds), yet they woke me up early in the morning, all dressed up and ready to go.

Others agreed to provide certain services, but ultimately wouldn’t.

So many mentirosas in Sosúa...

Sweetness

Thai girls can be so sweet. Brasileiras are ever so carinhosa. That explains why they’re the world’s top mongering destinations.

Apart from a few notable exceptions, the Dominicanas didn’t seem to have a sweet bone in their body. Most seemed hard-edged with a very professional attitude.

Dominicanas don’t seek body contact when they spend the night with you either. They sleep on their side of the bed; you sleep on your side. Sleeping with a Dominicana is just like sleeping with... your wife.

Hijos

Hijos: 12
Nada: 5

Most of the chicas in Sosúa have kids. The good news is that stretch marks are a rarity (1 out of 12). The bad news is that their tits cannot defy gravity.

Language

The Dominicanas obviously speak Spanish. Some may speak a little English (or even German), but most chicas speak nothing but Spanish.

Haitianas speak Creole, a French patois that is incomprehensible to French speakers. The Haitianas in Sosúa generally speak Spanish as well. Some of them may also speak fluent French.

Hygiene

Hygiene is not a topic I mention very often in my reports. I found working girls all over the world to have a very high standard of personal hygiene. Considering what they do for a living, it’s in their best interests.

Unfortunately, the DR chicas do not comply with that pattern. Some girls simply refused to take a shower, telling me that they were clean already. Others took some convincing before I could get them to wash at least their tits & pussy.

The overall standard of hygiene in Sosúa is the lowest I’ve ever encountered. And poor personal hygiene is simply unacceptable.

Sosúa Mongers

Weekend Tourists

The reception area at the Hotel Europa was sometimes full of people waiting to check in on Thursdays & Fridays. And one Monday, the maid told me that 27 people had checked out that day.

Cheap, direct flights make Sosúa a viable (extended) weekend destination for Americans (especially New Yorkers).

Black Americans dominate Sosúa, followed by white Americans and Europeans.

No More Germans?

The Germans are often pioneers when it comes to discovering mongering destinations. The fact that the Sosúa girls use the term fickie-fickie (not fuckie-fuckie) illustrates its German heritage.

Girls with a preference for European customers (some of which spoke German), were complaining about the lack of Europeans in Sosúa. Maybe the Germans have discovered more fertile grounds? Or maybe it was just low season?

Ted’s Quotes

A few quotes from Ted (from Rocky’s), who’s lived in Sosúa for 12 years:

- When a chica steals from you, get her name (from hotel reception) and her picture (if you have any) and go to the police. Tell them she stole 3 times the amount she actually stole. The police will pay her a visit and demand half the money she stole. If she coughs up, she’s out of pocket. If she doesn’t pay, the cops will beat her up. You won’t get your money back, but you can get your own back.

- A lot of the chicas in Sosúa carry concealed weapons (mostly knives). They’re unlikely to use them on you, though. What happens a lot is that a girl, who’s just been with a guy and made some money, will get attacked by other girls. The knife will allow her to defend herself. Talk about cut-throat competition between the girls!

- The New Yorkers have fucked up the market in Sosúa. They pay 100 USD for a ST and still think it’s cheap.

BTW, that last statement does not imply that Ted doesn’t like New Yorkers. He basically lives off his tips and the New Yorkers are generous tippers, so he absolutely adores them! It’s simply a statement of fact.

Final Words

The main thing the DR has going for itself is its proximity to and easy accessibility from the US. But unless the flight time is your primary concern, there are better places to spend your mongering budget.

Loso

[Loso69]

Field of Dreams

Web Site

http://fieldofdreams.8m.com

Warning:

When you try and access the site, you may receive a pop-up urging you to install DriveCleaner. When I refused to install it, my browser went blank.

Rooms

The rooms feature:

- A comfortable double bed.
- A table and chair.
- A safe in the wardrobe.
* The safe if big enough to hold a 17” laptop.
* The safe is flat and wasn’t high enough to hold my SLR camera or lenses.
- The safe has a key, which means you have to hide the key when a chica spends the night.
- An empty fridge.
- A good A/C unit.
- Cable TV.
- A hot water shower.
- A separate toilet.
- A balcony with chairs, overlooking the grounds and pool.

Although the room was perfectly adequate, it was rather bare and had this “unfinished” look.

Grounds

The landscaped grounds and pool are the hotel’s most noteworthy features.

Location

The Field of Dreams is in the middle of nowhere. Except maybe for the disco at the Playa Dorada resort across the street, no P4P venues are within walking distance. Even the Puerto Plata strip clubs (Casa Ana Mirian, El Bohen & Crystal’s) are some distance from the hotel.

Of course, the main action is in Sosúa. The one time I took a taxi to Sosúa, it cost me 200 DOP, with a lot of bargaining. That was in the morning and I was carrying my luggage. Without luggage / at night, prices may be lower / higher.

Price

My room was paid for by Bruce (from TSM), who’s an investor in the hotel.

According to the web site, the room rate is 43.10 USD + 16% taxes, which adds up to a round 50 USD.

Hotel Plaza Europa

Web Site

http://www.hotelplazaeuropa.com

Rooms

As in Field of Dreams, the rooms feature:

- A comfortable double bed.
- A table and 2 chairs.
- A safe in the wardrobe.
* The safe was big enough to hold my SLR camera and lenses.
* The safe has a number lock, which saves you the hassle of hiding the key.
- An empty fridge.
- A decent A/C unit.
- Cable TV.
* Includes a porn channel.
- A hot water shower and toilet.
- A balcony with chairs, overlooking the pool.

The rooms also feature the following, lacking at Field of Dreams:

- A kitchenette with microwave oven.
- Nightstands each side of the bed.
- Photogenic curtains & bedspread.
- Alarm clock.
- Hairdryer.
- Ironing board & iron.

Grounds

The hotel also features a swimming pool.

Location

The Hotel Europa is right at the heart of the Sosúa entertainment area, so you’ll never need a taxi unless you want to check out the Puerto Plata strip clubs.

Price

My hotel room cost 40 USD, including all taxes.

I received a 5% discount for cash payment.

The apartments, located down a side street, are cheaper.

Check-out Time

The check-out time is 2 PM.

Conclusion

- The Hotel Plaza Europa is at the center of the action, whereas the Field of Dreams is in the middle of nowhere.
* Staying near the action can save you a fortune in cab fares.

- The rooms at the Hotel Plaza Europa are large and well equipped, whereas the rooms at the Field of Dreams are smallish and look bare.

- The Hotel Plaza Europa is cheaper than Field of Dreams.

Field of Dreams vs. Hotel Plaza Europa? No contest!

Loso

[Lazy Monger]

Excellent reports. You gave a good overview of the Sosuá scene. However, I must say that I did luck up on some quality talent at closing time but your assessment is pretty much correct. All in all a fun time, but finding quality takes a bit of work. I have come to expect that from Sosuá.

[Ponderosa]

Loso69,

Is the part about negotiating pricing for GOOD LOOKING chicas in Sosua really 1500 pesos ST and 2500-3000 TLN?? Not that I can't afford it, but I had been led to believe from previous posts that they were much lower. Heck, people made fun of me for paying these exact prices at BB's and I was able to find some quality there.

Is this because of a lack of negotiating skills or maybe comprehension of the Spanish language? Or is it that a lot of mongers go for the ugly ones because of the price? Let me know so I can plan accordingly for my trip in Feb.

As far as the sweetness of the chicas goes in the DR (I have limited exposure here-2 trips down in a controlled environment-BB's), but I found the above comments NOT to be the case, so long as you have a basic understanding of the culture. I read up on being a tigre' in the forums here and I found that although the chicas start their approach with you with a "hard edge", they often soften up when they see you setting boundaries and taking charge correctly.

Heck, there was a string of threads fairly recently about one chica (Black Barbie/Louisa) a beautiful girl who has somewhat of a predatory reputation and I found her to be the sweetest thing in the world once she saw me as a tigre'. She was so sweet that I had to invoke the "three day rule" while I was with her because she was getting inside my heart. Word spread that I was a tigre' and AND a nice guy and all the chicas treated me well from the beginning.

[Loso69]

Ponderosa,

As I said, there are way more punters than beautiful girls in Sosúa. Even if a beauty refuses to go for less than 3000 DOP LT, she’ll still get a customer (almost) every single day. Simple market economics.

You can get girls for as little as 500 DOP ST and 1000 DOP LT, but they’ll be fat and/or ugly.

BTW, my Spanish isn’t great, but I have no trouble communicating with the girls. But I never bothered to learn any grammar, so I don’t conjugate my verbs. :)

About the sweetness. I do most of my mongering in Asia, so I judge the girls by Asian standards. Asian girls are so much sweeter than Latinas. I recently spent a month in China. I couldn’t communicate with the girls at all, yet most of them provided a better GFE than the Dominicanas.

I’ve attached pics of a few chicas, to give you an idea of the quality I was aiming for. BTW, pretty faces are my thing.

Loso

[Ender]

Impressed.... great report... and I don't say that lightly. I like the way it was structured.... perfect, I might use your format in future reports! I could not agree more with EVERYTHING you said in your report. For me (from NYC also) I travel to the area for business and it's as simple as that. I have been going down to the DR for over 15 years and I can tell you that it has changed quite a bit. I totally think that the German's are a perfect indication of what's hot and what's not. In the early 90'd they hit the DR with a passion and for good reason. LT was about $25 USD and you couldn't throw a dart without hitting a solid 8 or better. Boy have times changed. In the late 90's it was Cuba then Columbia etc. etc. Returning to the DR (15 years older and about 30lbs heavier than I was in my prime) does not fair well with the current econimics and situation. Too many P4P tourists that are willing to fork over $100 to a chica. I wish my business took me somewhere else... cause quality and attitude are in dire straights of late. Sadly, it is supply and demand... and I do not think it will change anytime in the near future, UNLESS ... Fidel's brother decides to turn Cuba into little America .. hopefully for the Cuban's and the rest of the old school punters on the board, that will not happen. Let me know where you plan your next trip, I'll be in Peru, Ecuador and Columbia sometime in Feb or Mar. Let me know,

ENDER



Ponderosa,

As I said, there are way more punters than beautiful girls in Sosúa. Even if a beauty refuses to go for less than 3000 DOP LT, she’ll still get a customer (almost) every single day. Simple market economics.

You can get girls for as little as 500 DOP ST and 1000 DOP LT, but they’ll be fat and/or ugly.

BTW, my Spanish isn’t great, but I have no trouble communicating with the girls. But I never bothered to learn any grammar, so I don’t conjugate my verbs. :)

About the sweetness. I do most of my mongering in Asia, so I judge the girls by Asian standards. Asian girls are so much sweeter than Latinas. I recently spent a month in China. I couldn’t communicate with the girls at all, yet most of them provided a better GFE than the Dominicanas.

I’ve attached pics of a few chicas, to give you an idea of the quality I was aiming for. BTW, pretty faces are my thing.

Loso

[Ender]

Also Loso, I the early days of my international mongering I would have said that the Latin girls were much better in terms of warmth and GFE. Sad to see that has changed but I haven't seen those super-warm light hearted non-pros in the latin girls in about 5 years and even then it was in Cuba and Columbia.

ENDER

[Loso69]

Ender,

My last contract finished on August 8, and I pretty much traveled non-stop until early December. But I start a new contract on Jan 2, which is in... 3 days.

I will be making a few trips while I’m working, and will be taking at least 6 months off when I finish my contract. I’ll let you know.

Loso

[Pana Nyc]

Put your requests in to jetblue at this link http://www.jetblue.com/email/citysuggest.asp?intcmp=where_we_fly1 to start flying to DR from JFK to Puerto Plata so we dont have to do the long drive from Santiago to Puerto Plata/Sosua anymore or any long connecting flights from JFK to Miami or San Juan, THANKS HAVE A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS MONGERING NEW YEAR TO ALL THOSE ON ISG!!!!!!!!!

[Pana Nyc]

Loso loved your detailed reports on DR and other location on other sites as well, no offense but most of the putas you have in your pictures are the hard-core of the hardest down in Sosua I know most of them and they have been down there for atleast 2 years or so, you know as a seasoned monger that *****s that have been in the game for a while are not going to give you the GFE, and I think you over paid these putas the most they should of get is 2000RD (but hey it's your money and your vacation so who am I to tell you what to do), you might as well went to Cristals and El Bohiem in Puerto Plata if you where going to give Sosua putas 3000RD and you would of found better quality out of there and them putas give better service in opinion for the money you would be giving them than a Sosua puta.

Ponderosa,

As I said, there are way more punters than beautiful girls in Sosúa. Even if a beauty refuses to go for less than 3000 DOP LT, she’ll still get a customer (almost) every single day. Simple market economics.

You can get girls for as little as 500 DOP ST and 1000 DOP LT, but they’ll be fat and/or ugly.

BTW, my Spanish isn’t great, but I have no trouble communicating with the girls. But I never bothered to learn any grammar, so I don’t conjugate my verbs. :)

About the sweetness. I do most of my mongering in Asia, so I judge the girls by Asian standards. Asian girls are so much sweeter than Latinas. I recently spent a month in China. I couldn’t communicate with the girls at all, yet most of them provided a better GFE than the Dominicanas.

I’ve attached pics of a few chicas, to give you an idea of the quality I was aiming for. BTW, pretty faces are my thing.

Loso

[Loso69]

Papa Nyc,

They were the best looking girls in Sosua at the time of my visit… and that’s my only criterion. I couldn’t possibly know that they’ve been around for years, as this was my first visit to the DR... and my last.

BRW, I did spend one night in Puerto Plata. The girl I wanted from El Bohen wouldn’t go for less than 4500 DOP (including salida), even though it was closing time. I passed.

Loso

[Sylvester]

Papa Nyc,

They were the best looking girls in Sosua at the time of my visit… and that’s my only criterion. I couldn’t possibly know that they’ve been around for years, as this was my first visit to the DR... and my last.

BRW, I did spend one night in Puerto Plata. The girl I wanted from El Bohen wouldn’t go for less than 4500 DOP (including salida), even though it was closing time. I passed.

Loso

I cant blame ya for giving the DR the blow off. It is definately not what it used to be. Too many mongers (especially from NYC) overpaying the putas and screwing things up. Not to mention the quality of putas has declinced.

The DR doesnt impress me in the least, wrote that place off a couple years ago. Too many other places to see, no need to return there.

[Lazy Monger]

I did a short trip to Sosua for the New Year and the weekend was as dismal a mongering experience I have had. Sosua use to be OK hookers at rock bottom prices now it is fugly to OK hookers at premium prices. It is time to retire Sosua from my list.

[DR Monger II]

I'm debating myself whether or not to go back to Sosua. I did a lot of regular tourist trips and some of those trips aren't to be missed. Acitivity trips in Sosua are cheap compared to other places. I full day of horseback riding is like 35 dollars.

I was warned about these hard core girls in Sosua. "These girls steal. Some of these girls carry knives. Others tell lies and leave early. Some of them have a small time police boyfriend and ask for more money." Some of these statements have been confirmed in this message board and other boards on the internet. I received a warning from my hotel personnel and from expats who lived there. I met one guy who lived their 15+ years and said that he would see any of those classico disco gals. I ventured out to classicos and D'latinos to see what it was like. I saw a lot of ugly girls. It was also dark. I also saw a lot of mongers there. However. there are way more girls than guys there. I did see a few girls that I would have liked to have taken out. However, I was warned "the prettier they are, the more trouble they are" This statement kept me from picking any girls in Classicos.

I read a lot of advice on here. Some of you suggest not to pick up street rats. But let me ask you this, all of the girls in Sosua are street rats. Okay I know some of them are nice. I've seen some mongers in Sosua and they seem to be having a good time. However, there is no way for some newbie like me without fluent spanish speaking abilities to probably pick up a descent chick. Or are some of these hardcore chica stories exagerated?

My first night there I was speaking to a chick in a bar. She spoke english and wanted 2500 for a 3 hour affair. I negotiated it down to 2000. Okay it was my first night and I overpaid. I was also a little horny. So I have sex with her in my hotel for an hour. Then she decides its time to leave. She says its time for her to go. I decided that I didn't want any hassle so I give her the 2000 pesos. She wants more. She wants 500 pesos more for salida. At the bar, she never mentioned any Salida. I didn't want to pay her the 500 pesos extra and she just sits there. I go downstairs to the hotel personel. I can hear her from the room saying "hey there's something wrong with your window, its broken" Anyway she follows me down and gets her id. Then she follows me back to my room and I shut the door in her face and say that I'm not going to give you 500 pesos. This incident stopped me from mongering too much in DR. It also ruined my vacation. Before my trip, I read a story on here about how one of you guys had a problem with two girls and somehow the police was involved. I didn't want the same thing happening to me. I know probably some of you would suggest that I should go to Blackbeards if I need safety and to be spoonfed.

If I do go to Sosua, I will take a trip to Crystals and see what it's like there.

[Guthrie]

The ugly chicas = Less $ and usually less agravation
The fine chicas = More $ and more of a pain in the ass.
Sometimes it better for ST only and if you find one that doesn't steal & lie,
then keep her for TLN and more.

On my September trip a chica took money from my friends pants while he
wasn't looking. The typical story then happened after he kicked her out and took back the money. She shows up with a plain clothes cop who staggered around drunk with a cuba libe in his hand. The chica claims she was robbed. After the situation was translated by the owner of the hotel to my friend he was advised to give the chica back his money that she stole from him. If my friend did not do so the police would be back and take his pasport until the trial in about 3 weeks. The owner of the hotel explained at the trial you will be found not guilty but you are stuck there for 3 weeks.

From my past experiences this hotel, The Europa, is know to the chicas as to where the newbies start out. They know they can pull their shit there and it seems that the cops are involved. The owner though is very helpful and I do
not believe he benefits from this in any way.

[Montrealer2]

Wow, these last 4 or 5 reports have really deterred me from going to Puerto Plata / Sosua.

I thank you guys for saving me the trouble!

Remember, gimme a shout if y'all need any info on the Montreal scene.

[Loso69]

From my past experiences this hotel, The Europa, is know to the chicas as to where the newbies start out. They know they can pull their shit there and it seems that the cops are involved.

I heard otherwise from Ted (from Rocky’s). He said that the “cops” generally weren’t real cops. They’re ex-cops or people who just happen to have a police uniform. If they are real cops, they’re operating alone, without their bosses knowing about it.

Ted told me: “If a so-called cop shows up at your hotel, ask to go to the police station to talk to his commanding officer. Your problem will disappear instantly!”

Loso

[Member #3200]

many reasons not 2 hobby in the DR
dark women r ugly-IMHO
they are 2 hardcore-they will steal &/or fuck up your possessions or cause you extra charges elsewhere if u dont get their way
there service sucks-i have been reading the boards for 3 years now
the cops are on the take-they will basically rob you or extort money from you when they take the girl's side of the story
DR is not safe-high HIV+ haitians that r ugly & the crime rate is high

[Escort King]

I have made a pile of trips there over the past 3-4 years and so have many of my friends... none of us have had any problems... generally we are the problem - a bunch of big fat drunk guys.... you know the Animal House line: "Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life" - but it is a great way to end it!

[Escort King]

Ponderosa,

As I said, there are way more punters than beautiful girls in Sosúa. Even if a beauty refuses to go for less than 3000 DOP LT, she’ll still get a customer (almost) every single day. Simple market economics.

You can get girls for as little as 500 DOP ST and 1000 DOP LT, but they’ll be fat and/or ugly.

BTW, my Spanish isn’t great, but I have no trouble communicating with the girls. But I never bothered to learn any grammar, so I don’t conjugate my verbs. :)

About the sweetness. I do most of my mongering in Asia, so I judge the girls by Asian standards. Asian girls are so much sweeter than Latinas. I recently spent a month in China. I couldn’t communicate with the girls at all, yet most of them provided a better GFE than the Dominicanas.

I’ve attached pics of a few chicas, to give you an idea of the quality I was aiming for. BTW, pretty faces are my thing.

Loso

I have had a few of those sweeties.... tania or whatever her name is is a twin I seem to recall....

[Escort King]

And I just threw out Raquel's number... it was at least 9 months old - they go through numbers like crazy.... the ups and downs of prepays

[Artisttyp]

I agree with many things being said about the DR however I am going back for an extended amount of time just to make sure.
I will not be going to sosua instead I will force myself to venture out into the country a little more and see where that takes me. Im 36 from new york and can speak enough spanish and I know alot about spanish music...somewhere along the line I should get laid.
Also I feel sosua or DR just might not be the right place for some people . I dont think it's a very forgiving place if you make a mistake or dont have your act together. I usually stay in cabarete and do just fine. Nobody really thinks of cabarete as a location to monger but from what I saw of sosua Im glad I stayed there versus sosua. Sosua has the worst group of tourists Ive ever seen...sorry to offend anyone.

New yorkers ruin everything its true Im from new york born and raised. The reason guys are willing to pay $100 is because you cant even get into a club and have one drink for under $50 when you add entrance fee coat check and one $7 beer..$50 only gets you in the door more or less so for $100 you actually get something for it. Its all messed up you can thank americas mayor (rudy G ) and the people who moved here from elsewhere since they feel safe to do so and are willing to pay for it.
I like the people in the DR I really dig the "el caribe" vibe and the beautiful sights. I will give the DR one more try then I really need to pick someplace in South America that Ive been and build a nest. These places change like the weather so you never know what to expect just enjoy it while its good.

***last note - to the guy who got his money stolen from his pants always get ready to monger before doing so not while in the process..hide all your crap etc. this might not have helped you but it's worth mentioning you can get side tracked very easy.

[Terry U]

For guys who's looking for a change needs to venture to other towns and find the spots where local dominicans find their *****s, the prices will be cheaper and quality would be better than Sosua, learn spanish in between trips and befriend a local taxi driver in a town other than Sosua or Boca Chica. If you have Dominican friends in your hometown, i.e. NYC or NJ, they will be your best source for info or could set you up with a local in the many towns and small cities surrounding Sosua, so you won't have to travel far. Good Luck Fellas

[Crossfire1]

Great Report Loso69,

I think you pretty much touched on everything that is Sosua. It has been one year this month since my first trip to Sosua. I have been many times since and will return in February. I have seen many of the chicas in your pics and fucked only Yuni. She not really my type, but Classico was closing and I had to fuck someone that night. Tania hates me because I will not fuck her. I could tell from the time I meet her that she was hard core.

As far as not having a good time with chicas, YMMV (your milage may vary). In my exprience in the DR I have had mostly GFEs. I was suprised at the ratio of Chicas that didn't DFK. One of the things that I do differently than some of my friends is, I get dress up to go out and pic up a chica. There are still too many mongers (NYC and others) that go to the disco wearing the same clothes that they could wear to the beach or back on the block. I like to wear a nice linen shirts and pants never shorts on a night out. The women always compliment me, especially the ones that saw me earlier that day, in my shorts and T-shirt. I shower and use a nice body spray. This is important because I like to drink all day when in the DR. Before I go to the DR I stock up on my favorite gum so I don't have to look for it in Sosua. Some say why go through all that trouble when the chica will fuck you anyway. I do it because I know that these chicas know what a clean man looks like too. They have dreams of being with a decent, clean and sexy Gringo who will pay them for their time. I know if I can maker her want to fuck then my exprience will be better than if she is obligated to fuck. Sure, she will fuck the slobs also but being a slob is what contributes to some peoples poor expriences. These chicas are not mindless. If you want a good chance at a GFE then try being BF material. LOSO69 I'm not saying that this was your problem. I just mention it because I know it to be the problem of many mongers. Also Mongers should respect the culture. When in DR do as the Dominicans do (well not always but you understand). Your Tiki Barber jersey is not going to impress Chicas in the DR. So while your keeping it real and impressing all the dicks in the room, don't be surprised when your chica wants to leave early or she dosen't want to kiss you. This may not happen in Asian countries or in Brazil. I don't know. I've never been there. But the key to having fun in the DR is know how to navagate it well.

Now, I'm not crazy. When I was in Germany and Amsterdam and other monger locations around the globe. I made sure that I was always clean but I didn't get dressed up to go to a ***** house. The chicas in the DR (especially in Classico) play a strange game of "I'm not a puta". It took me a while to understand this game. When getting a Chica from a disco she wants to act like (from the moment you agree to take her for the night) the two of you are on a date. This is different from going to a ***** house, selecting a chica, fucking her brains out for 40 minutes and then leaving. Once you agree to be with a chica it is your choice of what you will do with her next. Do you go straight to the hotel? Do you Dance with her? Are you Playful? Remember most of them are young even if you are an old geezer. Do you hold her close (see, you should've used that body spray and gum like I told you)? Or do you just go to the hotel take a few pics and fuck her brains out. I'm sure she has had anyone do that to her in months. Not! Think about it your fantasy is not her fantasy but meeting her half way will increase your odds of getting what you want.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Sylvester]

I'm debating myself whether or not to go back to Sosua.

I saw a lot of ugly girls. I did see a few girls that I would have liked to have taken out. However, I was warned "the prettier they are, the more trouble they are" This statement kept me from picking any girls in Classicos.


If I do go to Sosua, I will take a trip to Crystals and see what it's like there.

Cristals is just another rip off strip joint. Overpriced drinks, overpriced putas ! Why pay a salida ? IF you must do a cristals puta, just get her cell number and call her the next day.

I never understood the TLN thing or whining and dining a ho. They are putas, pay them for their services then show them the door. Why try and make girlfriends out of them. I laugh when I see the next monger strolling around in daylight, puta in hand, strutting around like he is Magic Don Juan. The locals are laughing too, they know who the putas are. Who amoung us would be caught dead walking hand in hand with known *****s in their own country, let alone be seen dining with one ? The DR locals take these bitches to the cabana, do the deed, then take off. Last thing they want is for anyone they know to see them in the company of a puta.

Like I said, find'em, fuck'em, forget'em.

[Bysa003]

Try the New Garden Hotel on Dr. Rosen in Sosua. A step above Europa.

About the same price but more quiet. Also check out Hotel Residential up the street from the Europa. About $50 / night. Also, Field of Dreams is about 20 mins from Sosua.I cannot find any phone number/web site in order to make a reservation at "New Garden".

Anyone can help?

[Pana Nyc]

This summer will make it 5 years since I have been going to DR and I will say I had my best times in the non-mongering areas of DR, and if you want to see more of DR get out of the tourist areas and learn some spanish and go to the off beaten path. I will say this like some have mentioned before on here the best thing about DR is how close it is to the US if you want to get away on a quick weekend to monger than DR is the place to go, but if I have a week to spare I will be in BRASIL where the quality and the service of the GDP'S are far more better than the serices of a DR puta. I have spent up to 2 months in DR and I had a great time but I was not in the toursit areas. I could deal with Sosua no more than 5 days thats it than I get bored and tired of the place, you will never catch me staying in a place any where related to that strip.

[Fantasy]

After spending nine winters in the DR, I have retired. This year I left four weeks early, and had a great time in three other countries. It has now become a twice a year weekend retreat for me. The constent problems with power,water, etc, etc... finally just drove me out. And if I wanted to fuck a haitian, I would go to Puerto Prince. Quite honestly you would find me selling little u.s. flags in the town square in Iraq, long before I would visit Haiti! I will not begin to fire away negative comments, I will just try to remember the good times and move on....................
All good things must come to an end.............

"the one and only"

[DR Monger II]

Well, I wouldn't take any of the crystals girls for breakfast or lunch. It is more to take a girl out from Crystals for an all nighter. I heard some people having a good time in the club without taking the girls out. Strip shows and girls rubbing them. I heard that some of the girls in Crystals are trouble too (stealing and leaving early). I'm not sure. I'm a new monger to Sosua. It seems that from these reports, that there were more white or hispanic looking women before in Sosua. What happened to these women? When I went, Classico was probably 97% filled with black women (probably mostly Haitian). They didn't just dissapear did they?

I also heard some bad things about this club called "Velvet Rope" I never went in this place. I heard that a gorgeous looking girl offers to massage you, but when you get in the room, its a fat woman massaging you :(

I never encountered water problems or electricity problems. The hotel I stayed in had a generator, but the power did go off. I know this because the tv went off and the alarm clock had to be reset :(

Do these girls associate Europa with Newbies? If someone had stayed in Residential or some other hotel would they be better off? The security there probably wouldn't be that great. Europa has a armed security guard and security cameras. I'm not sure if other hotels would help you if you had problems with chicas there (police).

Would I run into these problems in Brazil? I have a week off, but haven't research Brazil too much. I don't speak portugese. The plane fare to Brazil is also about 1000 bucks.

[Ponderosa]

[QUOTE=DR Monger II]I'm debating myself whether or not to go back to Sosua. I did a lot of regular tourist trips and some of those trips aren't to be missed. Acitivity trips in Sosua are cheap compared to other places. I full day of horseback riding is like 35 dollars.

I was warned about these hard core girls in Sosua. "These girls steal. Some of these girls carry knives. Others tell lies and leave early. Some of them have a small time police boyfriend and ask for more money." Some of these statements have been confirmed in this message board and other boards on the internet. I received a warning from my hotel personnel and from expats who lived there. I met one guy who lived their 15+ years and said that he would see any of those classico disco gals. I ventured out to classicos and D'latinos to see what it was like. I saw a lot of ugly girls. It was also dark. I also saw a lot of mongers there. However. there are way more girls than guys there. I did see a few girls that I would have liked to have taken out. However, I was warned "the prettier they are, the more trouble they are" This statement kept me from picking any girls in Classicos.

I read a lot of advice on here. Some of you suggest not to pick up street rats. But let me ask you this, all of the girls in Sosua are street rats. Okay I know some of them are nice. I've seen some mongers in Sosua and they seem to be having a good time. However, there is no way for some newbie like me without fluent spanish speaking abilities to probably pick up a descent chick. Or are some of these hardcore chica stories exagerated?[\QUOTE]Part of me thinks I don't want to venture into Sosua with the current flaming of the place going. Knives, thief’s, policia, fuglies, threats, etc. , gosh sounds like the place for me. I could just drive to the Southside of Chicago and save on the airfare (no offense intended to residents there).

On the other hand, let's scare everyone off, less punters around, more chicas getting hungry and supply and demand will take over. Cheap poontang may be restored.

As to the part about why treat he chicas like girlfriends, I look at it as this is the true meaning of YMMV. These girls understand what is going on. If you were in their shoes would you rather s*ck and f*ck a guy who treats you well and smells good, or one that treats you like a traditional *****?

I find here as well as other stomping grounds I go to that if you treat them like a lady they start acting like one. When I am in Montreal I shave and shower beforehand, and then spend the first 20 minutes of my hour session talking to them, maybe have a glass of wine, and once repore is there, go do the deed. Maybe I only get one shot on goal this way, but it tends to be a GOOD shot. I will take one good shot over 2 crappy shots anytime.

With the girls here, I have no problem acting like it's a date. I am not talking about letting them take advantage of you, but taking them to dinner on TLN (or the like) is simply foreplay. When I was 16 I believed in the 4F's exclusively (Find 'em, Feel 'em, F*ck 'em, Forget "em) and I still do it at times. But I do find a much higher quality of service when I "date" them first.

As far as holding hands walking down the street, that is not my thing, but I do understand it. I am in no way embarrassed to be seen with a puta down there. Heck that is what I came here for. The only people I will run into are either fellow mongers or locals. Who cares who sees me and what they think? I am not looking to do it in my hometown, but that is why I travel a couple thousand miles to be here. The girls see that you are not embarrassed to be seen with them, and then some of them strut around, and service CAN, not WILL, but can improve. If I wanted a piece of meat to lay there as a lifeless f*ck, I could save a few hundred dollars and buy a blow up doll w/a flashlight vagina-vibrator built in and get similar results.

My 2 cents.

[Loso69]

Crossfire,

I don’t even wear shorts during the daytime. I dress casually (jeans and polo shirt), but change my clothes a couple of times a day. Smelling nice is important. Every Dominicana I was with “smelt” me.

I never took the girl straight home after I made a deal with her. Sometimes, money wasn’t even mentioned. I just danced with the girl until the disco closed, then took her home. I sometimes had a better time in the disco than in my room. The chicas are fun in the disco, but only have money on their mind once they get to your hotel.

So far, I’ve visited 3 Spanish-speaking countries (Colombia, Cuba & the DR) and found the chicas way too business-like. Spanish-speaking putas are cold-hearted snakes!

Don’t bother with Spanish... learn Portuguese!

Loso

[MJG Dogs]

From my past experiences this hotel, The Europa, is know to the chicas as to where the newbies start out. They know they can pull their shit there and it seems that the cops are involved. The owner though is very helpful and I do
not believe he benefits from this in any way.

I am not sure, for I had an experience once where I was going to be shaken down by a haitian puta named Sara in Sosua in 2004, she pissed me off one night so I bundled up her clothes and left them at the desk and told the woman at night that she is not to bother me anymore. Bottom line she was banging at my door and threatening to kill me etc... I came out to confront her, she came at me with a shank, for which i knocked out her hand, soon then the police came, the fucking asshole chulo from the Flamingo got involved and wanted to embezzle his take from me. At that time and older guy from Europe that lived down there arrived on the scene and talked to the cops on my behalf, bottom line $20 to the cops, and the night ended.

Well after about four hours later she was back again screaming at the door, this time I went to the front desk and made the clerk call the Euro that owned the place, I did get him to move me to an upper floor, when I was moving upstairs, I discovered three more pairs of chicas pants, and three blouses, for which later I gave to the bartenders at the roses bar, in return one of them came up and gave me A BBBJ and rimjob, that ranks in my alltime top # 5, torrid. I then confronted the owner of the Flamingo about what happened. The next day, Sara the puta was told by the owner not to return- she was fired, and the chulo was also fired.

In hindsight, yes the Europa is newbie ground zero, be warned and be aware. It was fucking nice to come out only $ 20, plus 3-4 beers the next day to the cop I paid off, to get back at the Puta.....I think by not caving in except for the $20, and thanks to the older euro, I may have been lucky, I do think that the owner at the Europa is ok, but not sure about the desk clerks.

[Crossfire1]

Cristals is just another rip off strip joint. Overpriced drinks, overpriced putas ! Why pay a salida ? IF you must do a cristals puta, just get her cell number and call her the next day.

I never understood the TLN thing or whining and dining a ho. They are putas, pay them for their services then show them the door. Why try and make girlfriends out of them. I laugh when I see the next monger strolling around in daylight, puta in hand, strutting around like he is Magic Don Juan. The locals are laughing too, they know who the putas are. Who amoung us would be caught dead walking hand in hand with known *****s in their own country, let alone be seen dining with one ? The DR locals take these bitches to the cabana, do the deed, then take off. Last thing they want is for anyone they know to see them in the company of a puta.

Like I said, find'em, fuck'em, forget'em.I never understood why people go to the DR for a week and spend 4 or 5 nights with the same chica, but I never made a judgmental post about it. Because I'm wise enough to know that even though I know they are missing out on all the flavors of the DR, I know that they are having a blast in a way that only they can appreciate. The same goes for the guy that does TLN. I do this often. I like to fuck a chica more than once and I like to have some rest in between session. I'm not superman you know. Fucking 2 chicas a day takes its toll on the nuts. But not only that, I simply enjoy the chicas too. Come day light my chicas are gone. The chicas I tend to fuck in the day time are usually short time because I don't want them around to stop me from getting the second chica later that night. But in Defense of the novia lovin' guy who wants to spend 5 days with a chica, I'll say this: Who cares what some broke ass Dominicono thinks about what we are doing if they see us walking day or night with a puta. You don't think they see us at night. You don't think they know why you are in that shitty town of Sosua in the fist place. I know. I know. Your there just for the scuba diving, right;). The point is people go there to escape reality. The fact that I get to fuck 2 chicas a day is not my reality and I enjoy it while I'm there. What we would or wouldn't do in the DR as opposed to the our home country is irrelevant. If that were the case many of us would not feel comfortable being seen by anyone, night or day with known putas. I can say that I don't wine and dine putas but I like a little company with my sex. But I will say--the day I start to worry about what the dominiconos think about what I'm doing in Sosua, that is the day that I should stay home.

There is nothing wrong with your moto of "find'em, fuck'em, forget'em." You have make it do what it do. Ok in english---Do what is best for you. You don't have to understand the others as long as they are happy.

[Crossfire1]

Crossfire,

I don’t even wear shorts during the daytime. I dress casually (jeans and polo shirt), but change my clothes a couple of times a day. Smelling nice is important. Every Dominicana I was with “smelt” me.

I never took the girl straight home after I made a deal with her. Sometimes, money wasn’t even mentioned. I just danced with the girl until the disco closed, then took her home. I sometimes had a better time in the disco than in my room. The chicas are fun in the disco, but only have money on their mind once they get to your hotel.

So far, I’ve visited 3 Spanish-speaking countries (Colombia, Cuba & the DR) and found the chicas way too business-like. Spanish-speaking putas are cold-hearted snakes!

Don’t bother with Spanish... learn Portuguese!

LosoLoso again great report. I didn't mean to suggest that any of things mentioned in my post were a part of your problem in the DR. I just used it to illustrate the problem of many other mongers. I'm always wondering why it is that I see so many people complaining about the DR, when I'm have such a great time there. Sure everyone has a bad expierence or two. But it just makes me wonder what people are looking for. Again I've never been to asia or Brazil and probably will not have the chance to go. But I have been Curacao and ST Maarten and many places in Europe. So I have had many Phillipinos, Thia, Korean, Indoneasian, Columbian etc.... and for me, going in to the ***** house jumping up and down on a chica who just wipe herself off from the monger before me, and then having her put me out so fast that, I have an imprint of the door knob on my ass, is not appealing to me. I don't care how beautiful the chica is. If that is all I have to resort to then sure I'd do it again. But I don't have to because there is the DR. Don't get me wrong, I'm smart enough to know that the chica I just pull from classico may have been with someone else earlier that day. But at less the choca has had some time to air out.

So I'm wondering what I am I missing in these other monger location that makes people complain about the DR so much. Because if these other monger destination have nicer, prettier ladies that are on the revolving door system, Then I'll have to say "No thanks! My ass still hurts from the last door knob." That's just my personal view. Do what's best for you.

[Lazy Monger]

I've stayed in Europa and I have never been robbed or hustled. It is not the hotel, it is the girl. One of my observations on my last trip was how many guys were taking back some really hardcore gangsta chicas. They are not difficult to spot, the look hard and I would not let any of them near my hotel room or me. For me, leaving early or performance is rarely an issue. The problem I had the last trip was how difficult it was to find a chica worth taking back. I like to party, flirt with a bunch of different chicas before making my selection as oppose to being press into making a selection before the few cute ones come of the market. Not to mention, since the highest I will pay is well below what most guys are paying, makes my job much more difficult. The partying is fun but the mongering has become more of a hassle than it need to be because of quantity of mongers and quality of the putas.

[Patrk39]

I cannot find any phone number/web site in order to make a reservation at "New Garden".

Anyone can help?Here ya go.

http://www.newgardenhotel.net/eng/default.htm

[Ponderosa]

I cannot find any phone number/web site in order to make a reservation at "New Garden".

Anyone can help?Try this link

http://www.newgardenhotel.net/eng/default.htm

[DR Monger II]

Ponderosa, as for your gfe experience. Taking a girl out to a restaurant would only work if you knew spanish and can communicate with her. I can't speak spanish, although I'm learning, it would take me awhile to get it. It would be really awkward for someone like me to be eating at a restaurant with a puta and not talking to her. Some of them can speak a little English like "Buy me a drink"

I didn't monger too much, but when I did, I didn't smell. I took a shower before heading out. I wear clean clothes. I didn't wear a suit. I use listerine. I'm also a lot younger than a lot of the mongers I've seen. I'm not in my 40's or 50's. I lift weights for 2 hours 2 times a week. I can pass for someone in my 20s. I believe I took a shower with the girl I took out. I even told one to doche and I did so afterwards myself. Would my mongering experience have been better if I dressed in dress pants, dress shoes and a good shirt like I'm going to work in a business office setting? When I was at Classicos or D'latinos, I hardly saw anyone wearing dress pants with their shirts tucked in. Everyone dressed relaxed.

BTW, the woman I had trouble with wasn't Haitian. She was a Blanca chica with blonde hair. She wanted me to go back to the bar with her and talk to the manager. No way was I going to go that. I later found out that the Salida for that place was 1000 to take her out. She never mentioned this in the first place. So I think she only got 1000 for that 1 hour encounter. I still got ripped off though.

Anyone have any experiences at "Velvet Rope" It's not in the main area near Classicos. It's toward the left of Europa, a little before Passions Massage.

I went to Passions a lot. However, some days I wasn't into it and left without a massage.

[Pana Nyc]

This is the same problem I have in DR, in Brasil it's the other way around deciding on who I want to smash is so difficult since the quality is 10x better and there is never a shortage of stunners in Rio. Im only going to do DR now just business wise and relaxing,my hard-core mongering days are over in that country trying to smash 3 chicas per day I'll save that for Rio.

The problem I had the last trip was how difficult it was to find a chica worth taking back. I like to party, flirt with a bunch of different chicas before making my selection as oppose to being press into making a selection before the few cute ones come of the market. Not to mention, since the highest I will pay is well below what most guys are paying, makes my job much more difficult. The partying is fun but the mongering has become more of a hassle than it need to be because of quantity of mongers and quality of the putas.

[Loso69]

Crossfire1,


I've never been to Asia or Brazil

If you had experienced the world’s best P4P spots, you might be complaining about the DR as well. But compared to US women, the Dominicanas are probably wonderful.

DR Monger II,

I fucked a short-haired blonde from SeaCret’s. I met her in the afternoon, before the bar opened, and didn’t have to pay a salida. I’ve attached a picture of her. Same girl?

The Velvet Glove is an upscale, expensive massage parlor that opened its doors while I was in Sosúa. I never visited, but I did take a picture of it.

Papa Nyc,

The lack of quality explains why I only fucked 17 girls in 14 days in Sosúa. As a comparison, I had 54 different girls in 21 days during my last trip to Rio.

Loso

[Crossfire1]

Loso,

I failed to mention that your photography has got to be some of the best that I've seen on any board. Your lighting is techincally correct and I can tell that you have posed the chica to bring out thier best. You diffenately are note using the standard digital camera from Circuit City. Some pointer on your photo technics would be appreciated. On a different note- I guess I'm glad that I have not been to these other places because compared to most places I'm happy with what I have in the DR. No need to get spoiled by going to Brazil once when I can go the DR 6 or 7 times a year. I can tell that the quality of chicas was low seeing that you took the chica with the short blonde hair. Don't get me wrong she cute but I have passed on her on about 7 trips. I thought about doing her but have always managed to find someone better. When I first met her she used to work at the bar Across the street from Dominos and the Four Roses Bar. I also remember she was between jobs. She used to walk the street all day looking for a gringo. The bar was closed last time I was there. I think it was called Plaza Algeria or something like that. Anyway Great picture of her.

As far as dressing nice to go out--I never mentioned tucking you shirt in. I said a linen shirt. What kind of an idiot would tuck in a linen shirt. Suits who mention wearing a suit on this board. Dress shoes? Who mentioned that? People-- some of you have no style. You can be totally relaxed and have style with your shirt tail hanging out (I think somebody's age is showing). I happen to be in my 30's and I work out and I'm slim and I have style. Some poeple have only 2 modes. On and off. Up and Down. Jean and Suits. There is something in between all of that. Nobody should take it personal if I give advice. I call it like I see it. Just read the post and if there is something that you can gain from it take a little advice and move on. If not keep on doing what you do.

[Crossfire1]

Crossfire1,

If you had experienced the world’s best P4P spots, you might be complaining about the DR as well. But compared to US women, the Dominicanas are probably wonderful.If you noticed I've been everywhere else in the world. So I'd say that compared to most women in the world, the Dominicanas are wonderful. To me that is saying a lot. I'm not spoiled. Some of the worlds best is good enough for me.

[Artisttyp]

I assume people have stayed here before since its being mentioned. Any reports of overcharging your credit card breaking into room safes etc ? Im looking into it for a possible back up in case I dont find affordable lodging in SD.

Thank you in advance.

By the way the guy said no problem bringing back chicas at no charge.


Artisttyp

** Will I be hearing any motoconcho noise? It says it is located in the central part of the town. I know how bad motoconchos can get.

[Crossfire1]

I just thought that I would add a few pic. I usually post on a different board so some of you may have seen these. I'm happy with the DR. I'm not spoiled with my ugly chicas. I know they are the bottom of the barrel but I enjoy them. I understand that beauty is subjective. Like I said I've been around the world. But not everywhere So I'm not saying that the Dominicana is the most beautiful in the world. But we all know that the situation is still better than in our home countries. Since I have been around the world I will not go back to Germany, England, The Netherlands, Curacao, St Maarten, etc and then complain on the internet that they are not as good as in the DR. If you've got a good thing (in Brazil or Asia) and you are spoiled then stick to that country(s). But If you are spoilded and chicas such as these are not good enough for you then you should not come to the DR. And if you do then, stop bitchin'.

PS Loso can you give me some photography pointers

[Guthrie]

I assume people have stayed here before since its being mentioned. Any reports of overcharging your credit card breaking into room safes etc ? Im looking into it for a possible back up in case I dont find affordable lodging in SD.

Thank you in advance.

By the way the guy said no problem bringing back chicas at no charge.


Artisttyp

** Will I be hearing any motoconcho noise? It says it is located in the central part of the town. I know how bad motoconchos can get.

No problem with breaking in or overcharging. Look for the owner, Lorenzo. They have an armed guard from 6pm to 6am. The hotel borders the baseball field across from Casa Marina Resort. A lot less noisy than The Europa which is right on Pedro Clisante.
There is less foot traffic which means less business for motos.

[Sarge85]

No problem with breaking in or overcharging. Look for the owner, Lorenzo. They have an armed guard from 6pm to 6am. The hotel borders the baseball field across from Casa Marina Resort. A lot less noisy than The Europa which is right on Pedro Clisante.There is less foot traffic which means less business for motos.I would have to agree. I had no problems when I was there is October.

[James Zz]

Crossfire,

I don’t even wear shorts during the daytime. I dress casually (jeans and polo shirt), but change my clothes a couple of times a day. Smelling nice is important. Every Dominicana I was with “smelt” me.

I never took the girl straight home after I made a deal with her. Sometimes, money wasn’t even mentioned. I just danced with the girl until the disco closed, then took her home. I sometimes had a better time in the disco than in my room. The chicas are fun in the disco, but only have money on their mind once they get to your hotel.

So far, I’ve visited 3 Spanish-speaking countries (Colombia, Cuba & the DR) and found the chicas way too business-like. Spanish-speaking putas are cold-hearted snakes!

Don’t bother with Spanish... learn Portuguese!

LosoSo far, I’ve visited 3 Spanish-speaking countries (Colombia, Cuba & the DR) and found the chicas way too business-like. Spanish-speaking putas are cold-hearted snakes!

Your report was accurate for a quick trip no experience non spanish speaking person. Dr, colombia, honduras, panamana, peru can not compete with brazil o aisa on the number of pros. The days are over when you can arrive and say " I'm american" "do me for nothing ". Asia is changing also.

Let the NYC Altanta guys have sousa. To each his own.

You will never experience the real DR girl that will cling to you so tight all night that you have to pry her away. Colombia. Its a great country. Again you will never experience that. You do not have the skills or language to experience latain american countries. Your report was accurate for a person like you with your skills and experience. Your post was accurate.

The last thing " Young Mongeres". When I was 20, 30 I never paid. Yet I see all these young guys in every country I visit looking for pros. I pay less and have many non-pro friends. OK. Every girl is a pro in one way or another. Should someone take advice from a "young guy" to score the same girl a "old guy" can get.

When your the young cool. Guy in the club hitting on the most beautiful girl there. Watch out. I'm the old guy that might leave you there there holding you d***.

[Helpmann]

...You will never experience the real DR girl that will cling to you so tight all night that you have to pry her away. Colombia. Its a great country. Again you will never experience that. You do not have the skills or language to experience latain american countries. Your report was accurate for a person like you with your skills and experience. Your post was accurate.
Agreed!

80% of the guys that come to the DR shouldn't be there! They should be in Brazil or the Phillipines where the sex industry is much more transparent to Americans.

For me, the DR is perfect. I even cancelled a free flight to Rio last fall, so I could return to the DR. Rio is beautiful, and I'm glad I did and saw everything the country has to offer (unfortunately, the DR doesn't have Swing Clubs), but I don't speak Portuguese and I can find pretty Dominicanas, who are younger and take it in the ass like a Brazilian. I fuck these Dominicanas throats, slap them around with my dick, dress them-up in role-play sessions, chain them to the bed, video tape them when they suck my dick and I do it for a fraction of the price I would have to pay in the Brazil.

After you have acclimated yourself to the culture, the language, and the people of the town (Boca Chica), you'll enjoy the freakiest sex you've ever had with some the youngest, prettiest girls you've ever met.

Cheers!
Helpmann :)

[Crossfire1]

When your the young cool. Guy in the club hitting on the most beautiful girl there. Watch out. I'm the old guy that might leave you there there holding you d***.I'm not sure of what your definition of a young guy is (I'm in my 30's) but, I would never presume that anyone could leave any guy (young or old), holding his dick in the DR. You see--there are too many fish in the sea. The chica that one man gets is never a problem to me. The DR is not the US. My friend and I never have and never will go home holding our dicks. I think I speak for most people young and old who have some wits about them. It's the DR. Everyone should go home happy. I say again, the advice I gave earlier is for those who are having problems. If your system is working. Then obviously I'm not talking to you. Keep on doing what's best for you. If your advice differs from mine, then you can give it and move on. You don't have to reference my advice. Just give yours. If you are having difficulty where you should be hitting a home run every time you are at bat, then take some advice. My advice is not for everyone. But do something different aside from Bitchin. There more pussy out there than most of us could get in our home countries. This is why we travel. After a few trips we become guru, and travel snobs. Now nothing is good enough. Some return to their home countries where getting laid for them is as rare as an apperance from Hailey's Comet. Lightin up and have fun. Do your research before you travel. Read the fuckin forum. If Rio is the Best Place in the world, then save your Pounds, Euros, or Dollars and go there once or twice a year. Otherwise stop bitchin'.

[DR Monger II]

Loso, no she was a different girl than that pic.

Crossfire, did you find these girls at Classico (Jessica, Ani, Hiedy?) I know the Sex devil girls are from Passions. Okay, most of the girls at Passions are pretty. I would say that most girls at Classicos or Dlatino don't match that level of hotness in your pictures. If you saw 100 Classico girls, maybe 5 of them would match your pics. I saw a few that were hotter than your pics.

Are you guys saying that spanish and technique is the prerequisite in having a girl friend like experience in DR?

Are there any differences in sexual experiences in the aggressive girls that approach you in Classico and the ones that don't approach you, but you have to approach them?

[Helpmann]

Are you guys saying that spanish and technique is the prerequisite in having a girl friend like experience in DR?YES...

that and you have to know what you're hunting and what you're strengths and weaknessess are. If you want to hunt tigers (a 25 year-old, Classico, DD, size-3 hottie, w/ a Razr and designer clothes) with a sling-shot, be my guest. Nevertheless, you're going to get ripped to shreds! Personally, I'm very happy hunting gazelles with my shotgun. In a few years my prey may change and my weaponary may improve. Nevertheless, I enjoy the hunt now.

excerpt from another site...
Go where you can speak the language. If you can't speak the language then go to Rio. It's perfect for guys who only speak English. Rio is like Disney World for sex tourists; almost everything can be had at a price. Although Rio has the "soul" of a Disney World (compared to Havana or the Dominican Republic), there are more professionals and places in Rio that can offer quality service. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=546122&postcount=940
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=523702&postcount=910


-Helpmann ;)

[Loso69]

Crossfire1,

Some of your girls are really hot (especially Jessica & Hiedy). If I’d seen them around, I definitely would have pounced on them. But girls like those are few and far between in Sosúa.

For almost a decade, I mongered exclusively in SE Asia. For the last couple of years, I’ve been branching out. These days, I love the thrill of novelty. Feeling like a newbie again, as I discover the scene in a new destination. I don’t regret visiting Sosúa. But my experiences weren’t good enough to warrant a return visit.

Your pictures are fine, considering the equipment you use (Nikon S1). Top quality pics require a digital SLR camera and a separate flash, which you bounce off the ceiling or wall. But they’re expensive, bulky and inconvenient and only worth investing in if you’re serious about photography.

Non-equipment related advice I can give you:
- Take a lot of pics. The more pictures you take, the better chance you’ll get a few great shots.
- Make the girl feel like she’s a model and you’re a photographer. All pretty girls are wannabe models...
- Show the girls their pictures on TV. They love that! And it encourages them to take more pics.
- If you’re traveling with a laptop, tell the girl you’ll burn her a CD with the pictures. Or print the pictures and give them to her. When her friends see how great you made her look, they’ll all wanna fuck you!

Jameszz,

Who said I didn’t speak Spanish? I may not speak it fluently, but my Spanish is good enough to be able to communicate with the chicas. And I’m no gringo either; I’m from Belgium.

Am I in tune with Latin culture? Probably not. But I recently spent a month in China, where I couldn’t communicate with the girls at all. Yet the Changping girls provided a better GFE than the Dominicanas.

DR Monger II,

The ugly girls have to be more aggressive to get noticed. In Sosúa, like everywhere else in the world, you’ll have to make the first move to get the hot girls. Act confident and don’t be shy.

Loso

[Terry U]

Are you guys saying that spanish and technique is the prerequisite in having a girl friend like experience in DR?YES, YES, and double YES!

If you guys focus on studying spanish one hour a day between your trips to the DR you will be ready in no time to travel outside of Sosua and befriend locals who will show you some of the hottest chicas the country has to offer and get this, at DOMINICAN PRICES!! You don't need fluency, just a basic understanding and you will build on that with time and frequent travel. Every town in the DR have pros & semi-pros trolling the discos and carwashes. You guys need to start networking, but if you are only there to monger on one or two visits then don't bother, but if you frequent this beloved country, then YES, networking is a must and will open doors to towns and cities within an armthrow of Sosua. I never mongered in Sosua, but if I wanted to, I would speak to my contacts first and set something nice by a semi-pro(non street walker). Even the local barrio motoconchisto whos broke screws some of the nicest chicas in the country.

I trully believe that Sosua may be a little more dangerous for tourists, because all the hardest cueras and tigres flock to Sosua, like sharks flocking to fish.

[Pana Nyc]

Great point on DR vs Brasil, I love the DR but there is no comparison to Rio. You can do Rio real cheap to get quality garotas and Im not talking about VM, I ventured out there during my trip and I had a great time I speak spanish so I understand a little Portugese. Helpmann I was hitting alot os spots that have not been mentioned on here, there is more to Rio than Copacabana. I love the DR but I wil save my hard-core mongering for Brasil, Im very picky when I go there I have been all over that place from Samana, Cabbera, Nagua, Rio SanJuan, Gasper Hernandez, Sosua, Puerto, Santiago,Moca, La Vega, San Franciso, Jarabacoa, Santo Domingo,Boca Chica, San Perdro De Macoris...etc... and my best times in DR where in the non-tourist areas, when I go back to DR now this is where I will be from now on it is where I started and I will visit the toursit areas less now.

Agreed!

80% of the guys that come to the DR shouldn't be there! They should be in Brazil or the Phillipines where the sex industry is much more transparent to Americans.

For me, the DR is perfect. I even cancelled a free flight to Rio last fall, so I could return to the DR. Rio is beautiful, and I'm glad I did and saw everything the country has to offer (unfortunately, the DR doesn't have Swing Clubs), but I don't speak Portuguese and I can find pretty Dominicanas, who are younger and take it in the ass like a Brazilian. I fuck these Dominicanas throats, slap them around with my dick, dress them-up in role-play sessions, chain them to the bed, video tape them when they suck my dick and I do it for a fraction of the price I would have to pay in the Brazil.

After you have acclimated yourself to the culture, the language, and the people of the town (Boca Chica), you'll enjoy the freakiest sex you've ever had with some the youngest, prettiest girls you've ever met.

Cheers!
Helpmann :)

[Helpmann]

there is more to Rio than Copacabana. Absolutely, and there is more to Brazil than Rio. Normally, when I refer "Brazil," I do mean Rio; however, the country must have so much too offer. Jesus, if it were cheap and convenient to travel to Brazil and I spoke Portuguese, I would be in the campo tearing-up some shit.

-Helpmann :)

[George90]

Are you guys saying that spanish and technique is the prerequisite in having a girl friend like experience in DR?

100% agree with Helpmann! Being able to communicate in her language is a HUGE plus in getting a quality monger experience. That plus technique means you are giving her a BFE! If you have chosen well, she will reciprocate with a fantastic GFE!

[Crossfire1]

Loso,

Thanks for the photo tips. I knew you were the one to ask. I know quality photos when I see them and yours are the best I've seen by any monger hands down. You even show your tech knowledge by magicly know the exact make and model carema that I use. You'll have to teach me to do that trick. I love the S-1. Infact on a trip to the DR I lost my camera. The S-6 was new in store and I still bought the S-1 because it is smaller. The idea of burning a CD for the chica is brilliant. I'll use that one. and to show my thanks to you for unlocking some of your knowledge I have unlocked a few additional photos of my own.

DR Monger,

Jessica, and Ani(her real name is Alta Gracia) can befound at classico almost every weekend. I've always seen them on every trip I've been on. Heidy is a Puerto Plata girl. She is an illustration of the quality that is out there but not of your typical GFE. I had to brake her down she was some what hard core. This girl is fluent in english, so that tells you something right there.

[Helpmann]

Your pictures are fine, considering the equipment you use (Nikon S1). Top quality pics require a digital SLR camera and a separate flash, which you bounce off the ceiling or wall. But they’re expensive, bulky and inconvenient and only worth investing in if you’re serious about photography.Thanks for the photo tips. I generally take bikini shots at the beach at sunset.

-Helpmann :)

[Crossfire1]

I just spent all that time trying to upload and I sent the post with out the photos. So here they are. Enjoy!

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[Long Stroker]

Those are some excellent pics, Crossfire. You found some nice looking girls there.

Question about La Passion: Can anyone tell me if the girls there provide CIM standard? Or is that a negotiated service? And what about AR?

Thanks

[Remy Man]

Those are some excellent pics, Crossfire. You found some nice looking girls there.

Question about La Passion: Can anyone tell me if the girls there provide CIM standard? Or is that a negotiated service? And what about AR?

ThanksIt is standard.

[Loso69]

You even show your tech knowledge by magicly know the exact make and model carema that I use. You'll have to teach me to do that trick.

Pictures from digital cameras contain metadata.

Right-click on a picture and select Properties. Click on the Summary tab and, if necessary, click on "Adanced > >".

I can even tell when you fucked each and every one of your girls! :)

Loso

[Crossfire1]

Pictures from digital cameras contain metadata.

Right-click on a picture and select Properties. Click on the Summary tab and, if necessary, click on "Adanced > >".

I can even tell when you fucked each and every one of your girls! :)

LosoWow, talk about TMI (Too much in formation). Thanks for the tip though. Nice to chat with a real photo pro. I used to have an SLR Camera, and you are right they are to bulky. It's not digital. So it sits on in my closet collecting dust. I know they have digital ones, but like you said I'm not that serious about photography.

[Polvo]

Crossfire1:

In case nobody tells you, thank you, thank you, for sharing some of those stunning pictures. I think I am in lust with Jessica and the girl on the left in "Titas Grande"!

One question, in my quest for knowledge, what other board do you post on?

I travel a lot to South America and soon will have the DR in my patch. A lot of the Caribbean has been very, very disappointing so I have high hopes I can find a "home" in the DR.

Suerte

Polvo

[Bigup]

Crossfire1,

I'm new to the boards and I have one question: Where does Titas Grande and Suli1 party @ in Sousa?

Thanks great pic's Man

[Sidney]

Beaches= 9--2 (super beaches vs long trips to Punta Del Este or Pinnamar).

Dining=5--10 (found 2 more excellent restaurants but BA is the best).

Service=3--10 (Sosua service can't compare to BA waiters)

Chica bodies, good asses= 8--6 (Sosua bodies great and one of the good ass capitals of the world)

Faces-8--6 (much higher % of stunners)

Chica service=6--8(BA better)

Chica prices=8--6 ($25 to $50 and cheap TLN's)

Free porn tv and chicas like it=8--2,

Sports bars=9--2 (all games! Eddy's much better than Alamo)

Hangouts=8--6 (many better places than Exedra like beach bars, Rocky's, Pedro Clisante street)

USA TV=8--3 (USA programs, sports, CNBC)

Places like Exedra 8--5 (better places and all chicas are circulating, not sitting on their big asses)

Sex available discos=9--5 (cruising the discos and you see countless doable chicas)

Internet=8--6 (many wi-fi)

Weather =9--6 (perfect year around)

Small area vs large=9-5

Pollution= 3--8 (Sousa none and BA huge)

Cheap rooms= 8--5

Motos, buses, and taxis= 6-9 (motos annoying but nothing compared to BA)

Cosmopolitan 7--9 (very high % from Canada, Britain, France, Spain, Italy. No culture in sosua)

Compact= 10--5

English spoken=6--2

Inflation 4--9 (AR mucho)

Air fare and convenience to USA= 8-3

Real massage ($15 vs $10) and BBBJ massage $16 vs $30-40)

Professional sports= 3-- (baseball vs soccer, polo, tennis, basketball, volleyball).

[Crossfire1]

Crossfire1:

In case nobody tells you, thank you, thank you, for sharing some of those stunning pictures. I think I am in lust with Jessica and the girl on the left in "Titas Grande"!
PolvoMucho Gracias Povo! :) This brings up a great point. Chicas like the girl in that picture are a Dime a dozen on even the worst night at Classico. This is the truth I tell you. One problem that I had to even shake myself form was being too picky. When you go to DR and Probably other places your standards will rise very very high. I found myself on the bad nights at the disco thinking there is nothing in here. But there were plenty of Chicas like Titas Grande and Jessica walking about. That's when I think about that plane right home. And I think about how I would act if some of these same chicas were back home? How enthusastic would I be to fuck these chicas back home? If the answer is -- I'd act like a kid in candy store and hell yeah I'd fuck that chica, then I know I'm going home happy.

I remember seeing Jessica on several trips and passing on her. she is very petite and can get lost in the crowd. I want to find model types also but ultimately I think I just wanna fuck sexy chicas that are to the standard that I have right now. So If you wanna see a room full of porn star, or playboy magazine model looking chicas you will not find them in one location in the DR. But they are there throught the country.

I've seen better chicas than the ones in my photos also. I had better ones also. But there is no way I'm every going home complaining when chicas like these are a dime a dozen. So for those of you have never gone to DR, this is what you can expect on a daily basis. If you live in a big city, then just think about that hot 18-25 latina chica that you saw walking through the mall or on the train. You can find her equal in the DR. Just look through the uglies. Yes they are there too. Let's be real.

[Loso69]

Papa Benito,

Thanks for that comparison. I’m considering a side trip to BA on my next trip to Brazil, but haven’t done any research on BA as yet.

One thing really surprised me:



Faces-8--6 (much higher % of stunners)


I didn’t think there were that many pretty faces in Sosúa and if BA is worse...

Also



Chica bodies, good asses= 8--6 (Sosua bodies great and one of the good ass capitals of the world)


I suppose you have a preference for big booty. I prefer them really skinny.

Loso

[Long Stroker]

Real massage ($15 vs $10) and BBBJ massage $16 vs $30-40)


Papa Benito,

You are saying BBBJ massage in Sousa for $16, is that correct? Currently La Passion is advertising $1,000 per session which is about $32 US. Do you know of a place where it is only $16?

[Ford]

Hey Guys,

I've been ausente from the board for a bit but I'm enjoying the discussion. The gist of the conversation seems to be "all right so I've done Sosua and its got its pluses and minuses - what other places should I consider for my next trip?" Brazil?

Helpmann and George90 are both sharp guys and I've enjoyed their contributions in the past. Being able to communicate with the girls is an enormous ventaja (advantage) and it can easily turn an average vacation into gfe paradise! I have never been to Brazil because I don't speak Portugués but I am fluent in Spanish - and I feel I've evolved beyond the level of waving to a girl, pointing to the bulge in my pants and grunting. (lol) :D A successful trip to me means that I'll be able to communicate.

In my recent trip to Medellin I was amazed at how many "hobbyists" down there think that they are guaranteed a gfe merely as a birth right. "I'm Americano so Colombian women will love me" without a second thought to being able to have a conversation with her in her native language!

Learn Spanish it will pay dividends in the long run! :)

Of course once you've learned Spanish then you're equiped to tackle Colombia and Venezuela. Both are beautiful countries with hordes of gorgeous women, plus they are both a good bit closer than the shores of Sao Paolo and Rio. Caracas and Medellin should be your first journey to SA.

Crossfire - great pics my friend! Very cute girls and yes the two girls pictures in the photo "Titas Grande" do have tetas grandes! ;)

FORD

[Polvo]

Mucho Gracias Povo! :) This brings up a great point. Chicas like the girl in that picture are a Dime a dozen on even the worst night at Classico. .......So If you wanna see a room full of porn star, or playboy magazine model looking chicas you will not find them in one location in the DR. But they are there throught the country. .......So for those of you have never gone to DR, this is what you can expect on a daily basis..

Crossfire1:

Would you be kind enough to put the top four cities in order for the DR (for the hobby!) e.g. Sousa, SD, PP etc?

Thanks!

Polvo

[Long Stroker]

Wow, talk about TMI (Too much in formation).

I agree that in some cases, metadata can definitely be TMI. There is software available that can strip out that data leaving you with a clean image to post.

I believe IrfanView has an option to exclude EXIF data when saving files after resizing.

You definitely don't want to leave your dick hanging too far out there.

[Ford]

The top four cities in the DR for the hobby. (IMHO)

1. Santo Domingo
2. Santo Domingo
3. Santo Domingo
4. Sosua, Puerto Plata, Santiago (3 way tie) :D

[Polvo]

....... Being able to communicate with the girls is an enormous ventaja (advantage) and it can easily turn an average vacation into gfe paradise! I have never been to Brazil because I don't speak Portugués but I am fluent in Spanish....

Ford:

I do a lot of travelling throughout the region and you are 100% correct. Communication is key - and if the chica does not speak your language, you better speak hers. It improves the whole situation enormously - because even if she is a ten it gets just boring if you can't communicate.

On the Portuguese issue, I have found that the Portuguese speaker can actually understand Spanish quite well but not always vice versa. However, you will always manage if you speak Spanish. Don't let that be a hinderance to visiting Brazil! Brazil is Disneyland for sex. VZ, Colombia, Peru are heaven! (Haven't been to DR yet!)

Suerte!

Polvo

[Helpmann]

In my recent trip to Medellin I was amazed at how many "hobbyists" down there think that they are guaranteed a gfe merely as a birth right. "I'm Americano so Colombian women will love me" without a second thought to being able to have a conversation with her in her native language!Ain't that the truth! With or without Spanish, guys are setting themselves for a bad time with this kind of attitude.

-Helpmann :)

[Sidney]

Size 1 to 3 max.. No fat butts for me!

[Kendan]

I just wanted to second the comments on learning Spanish. Without speaking the language, you still won't have much trouble getting sex, but it will likely be more of a business transaction than it would be if you could communicate and get to know each other.

What if you don't have the time to go take classes or spend six months listening to language CDs? Here are a couple of things you can do.

On a recent trip with a non-Spanish speaking friend, we each had a girl for the night but he complained about feeling left out of conversations when the four of us were together. Although I speak Spanish, I always have a Spanish-English dictionary with me, and my friend grabbed it and it turned out to be much more than just a means for looking up words for him and his girl.

He told me they spent their first hour in the room lying side by side on the bed looking up words in the dictionary, trying to figure out what the other was saying. Soon they were joking about some of the words they found, or teasing each other over their attempts to pronouce the words correctly. The result of that interaction was that in a short time they actually got to know each other very well, despite the extremely limited number of words they actually learned. They had an awesome time together, but having that dictionary gave them a place to start.

Keep in mind that in many parts of the world you'll meet chicas who don't know how to read, so this won't always work.

But they all know how to dance. Get her to show you some dance steps. You won't need a word of Spanish to have a lot of fun interacting if you're dancing with her. Bring a little radio, some way to play music in your room, a radio will pick up the local music and that's all you need. Just do me a favor and don't play it so loud that I have to listen to it through the wall if I'm next door in my room playing music of my own! ;-)

Of course if she's totally hardcore none of this may make much difference, then you'll need some Spanish just for the negotiations. But in general, if your communication with her is purely about sex, then sex you'll get; but interacting with her in other ways and about other things can establish a connection that will make the encounter that much better, even if you can't speak the language.

All that said, I still highly recommend learning the language, but if you want to travel and you don't speak the local lingo, don't get discouraged, there are still plenty of ways to communicate.

[DR Monger II]

Crossfire, does Ani have a tattoo on her shoulder and a tattoo above her butt?

Forget about a gfe experience, what about the chica pulling scams like leaving early, stealing money, getting the police? Will she likely do this if you speak spanish?

If a chica speaks, English, does this mean she's more hardcore? Especially, if she's fluent?

[Escort King]

Crossfire, does Ani have a tattoo on her shoulder and a tattoo above her butt?

Forget about a gfe experience, what about the chica pulling scams like leaving early, stealing money, getting the police? Will she likely do this if you speak spanish?

If a chica speaks, English, does this mean she's more hardcore? Especially, if she's fluent?
Not every time.... a little more intelligent perhaps... but a mind is a terrible thing to fuck............

[Helpmann]

...what about the chica pulling scams like leaving early, stealing money, getting the police? Will she likely do this if you speak spanish?Spanish fluency WILL NOT save your ass if you choose to hunt tigers instead of gazelles!!!!!! If you can't tell a tiger from a gazelle then you're in trouble. Below are some helpful hints (listed in order of importance) that will help you discern who's a tiger and who's a gazelle.

-Helpmann :)

1. Location
If you choose to hunt in Boca Chica or Sosua you've significantly increased the odds of a finding a tiger. Tigers love to hunt at night on Duarte (Boca Chica) and at Classicos (Sosua.)

2. Time of Day
If you choose to hunt at night you should be very skeptical of the women you meet, because you've significantly increased the odds of a finding a tiger. Good girls skip school to make a few bucks in the daytime, but return home at night. In tiger areas (Boca Chica, Sosua...), hookers and girls from broken families are the girls you will find in the evenings.

3. Age
If you choose to hunt in "tiger areas" (Boca Chica, Sosua...), then you should be skeptical of all women 20+. Dominican girls start fucking and having babies early. Some even start whoring early. Get them early. Get them before they spoil (6-months+ whoring in Sosua or Boca Chica.)

4. Bi-lingual
If your girl speaks English, French, Italian, German... RUN!!! Believe me, she's been working 6-months+ in Sosua or Boca Chica.

5. Nationality
If your girl is Haitian you should be skeptical, because you've increased the odds of a finding a tiger. Not all Haitians are tigers and there are plenty of Dominican tigers to go around. Nevertheless, I believe that Haitian girls harden at a younger age than Dominicanas.


NOTE: Providing BFE CANNOT change a tiger's stripes. If anything, it may work against you. Hunt cautiously.

[Lazy Monger]

No offense, but I hope you don't come across as timid in real life as you do on here because they can sense that and exploit it. I met some guys my last trip and two were newbies, one join the group on Friday and the other on Saturday. Both were first time mongers and the same girl got them both night s for a total of $250. She didn't know they were together but she was able to spot a newbie and took them for as much as she could. Be aware of your body language and act as if you belong. Don't be too impress by the girls and maintain a sense of masculinity when dealing with them. Dominican culture is very macho. If you can't speak Spanish, be sure to speak man.


Forget about a gfe experience, what about the chica pulling scams like leaving early, stealing money, getting the police? Will she likely do this if you speak spanish?

If a chica speaks, English, does this mean she's more hardcore? Especially, if she's fluent?

[Helpmann]

...spent their first hour in the room lying side by side on the bed looking up words in the dictionary, trying to figure out what the other was saying. Soon they were joking about some of the words they found, or teasing each other over their attempts to pronouce the words correctly...

...Get her to show you some dance steps. You won't need a word of Spanish to have a lot of fun interacting if you're dancing with her. Bring a little radio, some way to play music in your room, a radio will pick up the local music and that's all you need...

Of course if she's totally hardcore none of this may make much difference, then you'll need some Spanish just for the negotiations. But in general, if your communication with her is purely about sex, then sex you'll get; but interacting with her in other ways and about other things can establish a connection that will make the encounter that much better, even if you can't speak the language.Very good examples of how to have fun.

-Helpmann :)

[DR Monger II]

You are right. I'm probably timid in real life.

Helpmann, with your advise I shouldn't even bother going to Sosua :)

[Helpmann]

Helpmann, with your advise I shouldn't even bother going to Sosua :)Just change your name to "Philippines Monger II" and you should be good to go!

-Helpmann :D

[Marco30]

What is the reason?


Just change your name to "Philippines Monger II" and you should be good to go!

-Helpmann :D

[Always Horny #2]

I'm looking for ST play only, for obvious reasons! Where are the places I can rent a room for a few hours?

I'm staying in Puerto Plata, but I plan on hittin' up Sosua once during the day and once at night.

Is it possible to get more than a bbbj at Passions?

Thanks Fellas!

[Escort King]

I'm looking for ST play only, for obvious reasons! Where are the places I can rent a room for a few hours?

I'm staying in Puerto Plata, but I plan on hittin' up Sosua once during the day and once at night.

Is it possible to get more than a bbbj at Passions?

Thanks Fellas!

Everything is possible.....

[Jazzy Daddy]

I'm heading back to DR tomorrow (my 8th trip in 2 yrs)and I'm flying into POP to spend Friday in Sosua but my lovely university novia in SD demands I be there Sat. I'll drive if I have to(I've done it before) I can't seem to find any info on flights to SDQ from the north. Thanks for any help!

[Yanqui69]

Unless I'm mistaken, you can catch a bus in Sosua that will take you to SD in about 5 hours for $US20 or less.





I'm heading back to DR tomorrow (my 8th trip in 2 yrs)and I'm flying into POP to spend Friday in Sosua but my lovely university novia in SD demands I be there Sat. I'll drive if I have to(I've done it before) I can't seem to find any info on flights to SDQ from the north. Thanks for any help!

[ApostropheMan]

From Sosua it's about 270 pesos or $8 USD. An excellent bargain.

You catch it from the Caribe Tours depot in Los Charamicos so you'll need a "ride" from the el Batey side.
Unless I'm mistaken, you can catch a bus in Sosua that will take you to SD in about 5 hours for $US20 or less.

[DR Monger II]

Is anyone currently in Sosua and mongering? I heard it's very slow there this season. Is that true?

[Brooklyn Beas]

I'm looking for ST play only, for obvious reasons! Where are the places I can rent a room for a few hours?

I'm staying in Puerto Plata, but I plan on hittin' up Sosua once during the day and once at night.

Is it possible to get more than a bbbj at Passions?

Thanks Fellas!If you ask Peter then the answer is no for the passions girls at Passions. But, if you take one out to a hotel for an hour and a half then you can negotiate exactly what you want. 500 salida for 1.5 hours and full service. The girls want anywhere from 1000-1500 for that 1.5 hours. I took a few out at 1000 + 500 salida my last trip in November and stayed with most for about 2 hours because Peter knows me well.

[Escort King]

Yeah the girls can be grabbed and taken back to your place and most will give it all up....

[Sidney]

She is about 26, educated, claims to be 3rd year law student, and employed as bartender at an all inclusive hotel, Casa Marina. Not great looking, thick legs and hips. Good lay and service. She hangs in little hotel bars like New Garden Hotel during the day. She is a Thief! Avoid! Seems like a good deal for 1000 pesos. Not!

[George90]

Excellent post, Ford.


Helpmann and George90 are both sharp guys and I've enjoyed their contributions in the past.

And thank you very much for the kind words!

[DR Monger II]

What did she steal?


She is about 26, educated, claims to be 3rd year law student, and employed as bartender at an all inclusive hotel, Casa Marina. Not great looking, thick legs and hips. Good lay and service. She hangs in little hotel bars like New Garden Hotel during the day. She is a Thief! Avoid! Seems like a good deal for 1000 pesos. Not!

[Brooklyn Beas]

What did she steal?Not only what did she steal. But, where is the pic of her so we can all be aware. I know a thick girl named Naomi that used to work at the Palace back in the day. If its her, I know her well and I doubt she would steal. Show us a pic.

[Bedroom Bully]

I'm heading back to DR tomorrow (my 8th trip in 2 yrs)and I'm flying into POP to spend Friday in Sosua but my lovely university novia in SD demands I be there Sat. I'll drive if I have to(I've done it before) I can't seem to find any info on flights to SDQ from the north. Thanks for any help!I have taken that Caribe Tours bus from POP to SDQ and make sure that you wear a sweater or jacket because that air blows super cold..Now imagine suffering through that for 5 hours..

What you can do is drive, If you have rented the car already, make her take a bus, or pay a taxi about ($115) to take you straight there.

[Jazzy Daddy]

Thanks guys for all the info. I decided tp drive cause I hate not being in control of my own destiny.

I pulled into Sosua about 5pm and after checking in made my way straight over to the Orange store to buy a simm chip. Met a couple of cute honey's that work at the store but no time for anything as I only wanted to check out what the market was in the disco's, so I got my simm and headed back to the hotel to rest and clean up.

That night around 10pm I went to classic's had a presidente down stairs and then headed upstairs around 11pm. The place was just starting to get movin'.
I'm a salsero and merenguero so I hit the dance floor as soon as some salsa music called me forth. Unfortuately not many chicas in the DR can dance salsa and what they do know is very limited. When it comes to merengue, most chicas can do the basics but can't follow too many advanced moves and this was the case that night.

Later in the night I met up with a morena who was okay(8) and as it was getting late I asked her to come to my hotel room. She agreed but we had to go to her apt so she could change and drop off her friend. We get to her apt and both start undressing, the friend looks good as I watch her remove her pants and top and climb into bed with just her thong. She smiles and continues to talk to me while I wait for my "chica". After getting a nice strip tease, the morena is ready to go. We leave her friend and head to my hotel.

That night I get a long bbbj and some great gfe. In the morning I wake up early and after a shower we go back to her apt. Now I don't like to be the first to bring up $ and apparently she doesn't either so we didn't talk price. We are infront of her apt and now and we start the discoarse. She asks for RD4000, I laugh and say no. I say RD1800 is all I have, she laughs and says no. I say no kidding that's it. She continues to inform of all the reasons why no less than RD3000 won't do and we are stuck at an impass. I tell her I have to leave for SD and give her the RD1800 she takes it, crumples it up, throws it on the floorboard of the car and gets out of the car. I don't have time for this so I drive away.

Four hours later I'm in SD with my beautiful chica and all is well. I stay with her for the next three days. She is why I keep returning to the DR. (Generally speaking, if you take the time to learn the culture and the language it is very easy to develop relationships with nonpros who will like you for who are and not just for what you can do for them financially).

I head back to sosua for the last night and pull out an interesting chica from Latin's disco. We get back to the hotelroom and she wants RD1200 for st. I agree and she spends the next 2 hours giving one of the best tongue baths I've had...

If your heading to the DR for cheap P4P and don't know the language or culture and don't have the inclination to learn them, my advise is don't bother.

[Griot]

Nice looking Chica. Thanks for the post. I tend to disagree on a couple of issues in your post. One, for all the newbies you NEVER take advantage of the services of the chica without having agreed upon a price. You survived this time but you cood have very easily ended up at the police station trying to pay your way out of a sticky situation. It sounds like you were with a pretty classy chica to not escalate the issue. Many would still be screaming for the police. You may want to consider yourself lucky and change your strategy on this one unless you are a Big baller that will pay anything.

I agree that learing the language and culture will enhance ones abilities, but I would not say don't bother if one cares not to learn. When it comes to Sex, I see guys who can't say Hola in Spanish have a great time in the DR. Sure they probable pay more because of the inability to negotiate. Many guys care less about the culture. They are strictly there for the services that are rendered. It soulds callus but I can relate. I happen to enjoy learning the people, country and the culture by day, but at night I could CARE LESS. Most of the Chicas don't know the culture. They are strictly surviving and know money.




Thanks guys for all the info. I decided tp drive cause I hate not being in control of my own destiny.

I pulled into Sosua about 5pm and after checking in made my way straight over to the Orange store to buy a simm chip. Met a couple of cute honey's that work at the store but no time for anything as I only wanted to check out what the market was in the disco's, so I got my simm and headed back to the hotel to rest and clean up.

That night around 10pm I went to classic's had a presidente down stairs and then headed upstairs around 11pm. The place was just starting to get movin'.
I'm a salsero and merenguero so I hit the dance floor as soon as some salsa music called me forth. Unfortuately not many chicas in the DR can dance salsa and what they do know is very limited. When it comes to merengue, most chicas can do the basics but can't follow too many advanced moves and this was the case that night.

Later in the night I met up with a morena who was okay(8) and as it was getting late I asked her to come to my hotel room. She agreed but we had to go to her apt so she could change and drop off her friend. We get to her apt and both start undressing, the friend looks good as I watch her remove her pants and top and climb into bed with just her thong. She smiles and continues to talk to me while I wait for my "chica". After getting a nice strip tease, the morena is ready to go. We leave her friend and head to my hotel.

That night I get a long bbbj and some great gfe. In the morning I wake up early and after a shower we go back to her apt. Now I don't like to be the first to bring up $ and apparently she doesn't either so we didn't talk price. We are infront of her apt and now and we start the discoarse. She asks for RD4000, I laugh and say no. I say RD1800 is all I have, she laughs and says no. I say no kidding that's it. She continues to inform of all the reasons why no less than RD3000 won't do and we are stuck at an impass. I tell her I have to leave for SD and give her the RD1800 she takes it, crumples it up, throws it on the floorboard of the car and gets out of the car. I don't have time for this so I drive away.

Four hours later I'm in SD with my beautiful chica and all is well. I stay with her for the next three days. She is why I keep returning to the DR. (Generally speaking, if you take the time to learn the culture and the language it is very easy to develop relationships with nonpros who will like you for who are and not just for what you can do for them financially).

I head back to sosua for the last night and pull out an interesting chica from Latin's disco. We get back to the hotelroom and she wants RD1200 for st. I agree and she spends the next 2 hours giving one of the best tongue baths I've had...

If your heading to the DR for cheap P4P and don't know the language or culture and don't have the inclination to learn them, my advise is don't bother.

[Jazzy Daddy]

Thanks for the reply Griot. Actually that is what I've been doing for many, many years. There is an old adage that I strictly adhere to in business and that is
" The first to state a price, looses ". I travel around the world and luck, in my view, has little to do with how situations unfold in my interactions. You don't get what you deserve in life, you get what you negotiate. That my friend, is why the former is my main tool in all negotiations...

[Helpmann]

Although, I highly recommend that one negotiate, 20% of the time I don't. If the girl is so hard or so new I will look to negotiate as to limit confusion. Nevertheless, in some instances, I don't negotiate.

When I feel I'm in a position of power, knowing that the woman will take what I give her, I don't bother to negotiate. We have some drinks, fuck, then I drive her back.

-Helpmann :)

[DR Monger II]

Why not just give a lowball price? 500 for ST, 1000 for LT?

[Helpmann]

Why not just give a lowball price? 500 for ST, 1000 for LT?I generally see lowballing as a joke and I am positive the girls see it that way as well (you only have one chance to make a first impression.) You're either in Boca Chica (or Sosua) to buy pussy or not. If you want to make jokes, it's done to your detriment.

I'm not saying that I don't offer RD$500. I'm just saying that I offer RD$500 for girls that are approx. RD$500. For short-time, sometimes I pay RD$600, RD$700, RD$800, RD$1,000 or RD$1,200 (it's been a long time since I've paid more than RD$1,200 for anything in BC or Sosua.)

Just by looking at the girl and evaluating your surroundings you should know off the bat approximately how much it's going to cost you. Then, depending on how horny you are, you should offer 0-20% less.

If you really want to bang this girl:
1) Estimate how much it's going to cost you ("STEP #1")
2) Decide if you want to pay this price
3) Make an offer (0-20% less estimate)
4) Listen to her acquiesce or negotiate

You should be more than willing to walk away if she asks for more than 20% of your initial offer.

BTW: If the girl agrees rather quickly to accompany you after you've made your initial offer, you've paid too much! A slow decision can mean a number of things.

-Helpmann :)

[Fantasy]

These sound like figures from a used car purchase. every circumstance is different. I really don't think there is a correct formula. Trying to create one is "HG". Now if these are meant to be starting guidelines, than I can agree with this. Experience is the only way to achieve proper skills to negociate. Alot of factors come into play that are not mentioned. Compitition on that particular night is a big one. And I am refering to not only the number of shoppers, but also the quality of the "talent pool" out and about on any given night. I do agree that low balling is a sure way to a lousy performance. you must hit that golden number where she knows she cannot railroad you, but she still wants and needs your business. You must remember that this is strictly a business deal, nothing more. She wants all she can get, with the least amount of "Wear and Tear". You want a GFE, or a wild fuck for as little as you can. A quick offer is also not a good idea. I am not saying wait to move in. This is also foolish. Move in, have a few drinks, and then ease into the business dealings. After she quotes you, and you must let her come up with the starting figure, don't react immediatly to it. let her try to read your mind. A poker face, and no immediate reaction will soon bring a more attactive offer quickly.

"the one and only"

[Bedroom Bully]

I think that its best to use whichever style that makes you feel comfortable. I personally like to negotiate before we get started to minimize the confusion.

But on the other hand I have a monger in law that will not go with a girl if she brings up price beforehand..To me that is strange, but to each its own.

If we both are in the marketplace looking to fulfill each others needs then to me its best to be straightforward with each other on our expectations.

I also don't pay attention to guys quotes on price because some guys will go with any old thing, while others have a more descriminating taste.

[DR Monger II]

I ran into a woman in Sosua that wouldn't give me a price. She wanted me to offer first. I just sat there and drank and then I left.

[Helpmann]

These sound like figures from a used car purchase. every circumstance is different. I really don't think there is a correct formula. Trying to create one is "HG"... Hog wash? God, I hope you're not referring to my post? There is and has been a method to negotiations. There are plenty of courses and books on how to negotiate and they all generally refer to knowing ones personal BATNA (your "price") and trying to figure out the other party's BATNA (her "price.")

Once you know "STEP #1", the other party's BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement), you know what the other person wants and it's just a matter of whether you choose to pay it.

Believe me, negotiating with uneducated third world hookers isn't that hard! Once you realize that some women (Duarte and Classicos girls) are more than willing to go home alone every night, 7-nights a week, than negotiate a lower price, you know to stay clear of these irrational tigres (they're not that "irrational"," they're just "gambling" that they can find a "sucker" before they go broke.) Most of the tigres can be found in the evenings on Duarte Street (Boca Chica) and at clubs like Classicos (Sosua.) Call it pride or laziness, but most of these girls are much more interested in hanging out with their friends than making money and because they're "gambling" looking for the "sucker," they're behind (in debt) and feel the pressure to "double down" (RD$2,000+), instead of lowering their prices.

If you're negotiating with gazelles, you don't have much experience estimating BATNAs, and you really want to bang this chick, buy her a drink and feel her out. Unless, I think I'll have to pay RD$1,000+, I won't need the drink and conversation. Usually, I offer RD$700 or RD$800; however, sometimes their BATNAs are RD$600 and RD$700 respectively. This is a loss of RD$100, which for me, equates to the price of my time + her drink.

Good Luck!
Helpmann :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATNA

[Alew217]

I see talk of Sosua? Please tell me is this a part of a city? A street? I am new to this and I have not really figured things out yet. I am flying into Santo Domingo, I need a clean cheap hotel close to the action. Can you help? I have seen the names Hotel Europa & Aurora Hotel but I can't find them on the net. Is there a certain part of the city where the clubs are located. Whats best area to stay?

Thanks Larry

[Escort King]

I see talk of Sosua? Please tell me is this a part of a city? A street? I am new to this and I have not really figured things out yet. I am flying into Santo Domingo, I need a clean cheap hotel close to the action. Can you help? I have seen the names Hotel Europa & Aurora Hotel but I can't find them on the net. Is there a certain part of the city where the clubs are located. Whats best area to stay?

Thanks Larry

Sousa is a town in the north near Puerto Plata... Santa Domingo is central and quite a distance from Sousa... but has its own places... try the different towns in the DR thread... just click on the link in front of Sousa above and it will list all the town options.

[Fantasy]

I don't value my time at 100 dominican pesos.

Step Two: Forget about step one, and just go fuck, not worrying about 100 pesos,(about $3).

[Helpmann]

I ran into a woman in Sosua that wouldn't give me a price. She wanted me to offer first. I just sat there and drank and then I left.When negotiating, it's always best to wait for the other party to make the first offer. Nevertheless, sometimes you just don't have the time.

When making the initial offer, tigres have a strong tendency to over price themselves, while gazelles have a tendency to under price themselves. Although, I seldom wait for a girl to make the initial offer, I love to hear a gazelle ask for RD$500.

-Helpmann :)

[DR Monger II]

No, this girl wouldn't make an offer, no matter how many times I asked her. I sat there for maybe 15-20 minutes while she was touching me and flirting with me. I didn't want to make the first offer. I actually didn't understand her. She was attractive. I felt a bad vibe and just walked away. Did I do the right thing?

I was offered 500 for st in the morning when I guess one of those Classico girls finished the night with a customer.

[Helpmann]

No, this girl wouldn't make an offer, no matter how many times I asked her. I sat there for maybe 15-20 minutes while she was touching me and flirting with me. I didn't want to make the first offer. I actually didn't understand her. She was attractive. I felt a bad vibe and just walked away. Did I do the right thing?If you get a bad vibe, walk away. Nevertheless, if you really want the girl to make the initial offer, lead her by the hand, take her to your room, bang the fuck out of her, then show her the door. I am pretty sure this course of action will lead to an initial offer.

-Helpmann :D

[DR Monger II]

It can get me in trouble too :) The girl might want 3000 pesos for ST? The police will come and get me.


If you get a bad vibe, walk away. Nevertheless, if you really want the girl to make the initial offer, lead her by the hand, take her to your room, bang the fuck out of her, then show her the door. I am pretty sure this course of action will lead to an initial offer.

-Helpmann :D

[DR Monger II]

Is there a place like "LA Passions massage" in Cabarete? I heard of some massage place in Cabarete that was like Passions? Is there such a place?

[DR Monger II]

Technically, if you don't discuss money and bring a chick to your hotel and stay the night. Can't someone argue that they didn't know that the girl was a prostitute. You can tell her that you thought she was a regular girl and just wanted to have a one night stand. Money, what? I never paid for sex in my life!

[Mikecnyc]

My experience is that if you allow the chicas to give the impression to her friends that she bagged a whale, they tend to feel they made a better deal is the case.

The few times I used a girl's desperation against her by negotiating a low price, it always translated into a lousy effort later on and me feeling like crap back at home.

If you want to pay a low price, wait for a girl who is happy with the price you're willing to pay. If you're eager to grab a girl and want to pay a low price, do yourself a favor and just grab an older/uglier chick.

MC

[Lazy Monger]

I also don't pay attention to guys quotes on price because some guys will go with any old thing, while others have a more descriminating taste.This is an important point. Gauging what one is going to pay based on internet quotes is pointless. Some guys will get a good price but not a good value.

[StudioCat]

Gentlemen,

On my one previous trip to Blackbeards the rental agent did not show as promised with a car. The taxi drivers were of course working the home court advantage for the trip. I want to travel from home base so a car is obligatory. Is there a hotel close to the Santiago airport (it needs to be nice at 50 and counting).

I hoping on the drive to meet a new friend. Spainish CD's. Not home court but at least one step away from "Gringo". Thank you!

[Bedroom Bully]

Technically, if you don't discuss money and bring a chick to your hotel and stay the night. Can't someone argue that they didn't know that the girl was a prostitute. You can tell her that you thought she was a regular girl and just wanted to have a one night stand. Money, what? I never paid for sex in my life!I don't know if its a good idea to focus on ways to weasel out of paying the girls. If you don't have money just save up, that way you can go there having a clear conscience and not having to count every penny or figure out ways not to pay.

My Co-worker also tells me that he doesn't pay for sex, but you should also see his face when he gets his wife's credit card bills at the end the month.

[Bedroom Bully]

This is an important point. Gauging what one is going to pay based on internet quotes is pointless. Some guys will get a good price but not a good value.I have seen this first hand where guys come on here bragging about 500 peso girls but walk around with sea hags. In that case I don't see the point in getting on the plane.

I think getting an attractive girl at a reasonable price. I am not trying to get over on her, and I dont want her to try that on me.

[George90]

Some guys will get a good price but not a good value.

Excellent and very intelligent statement!

[DR Monger II]

I was only joking of course. I guess technically every girl you take out of Classico or DLatino is a working girl. I guess its expected that you pay.


I don't know if its a good idea to focus on ways to weasel out of paying the girls. If you don't have money just save up, that way you can go there having a clear conscience and not having to count every penny or figure out ways not to pay.

My Co-worker also tells me that he doesn't pay for sex, but you should also see his face when he gets his wife's credit card bills at the end the month.

[RenoGeorge]

Here's a little information on the new disco High Caribbean Jef. Freddy is the man running things there. Freddy is aware of the this website and is very interested in your thoughts and opinions about the club.

For now, the club will be open Thursday thru Sunday. They are in the works of getting 30 live-in chicas to work the club on a regular basis so mongers will always have a fresh supply of beauties to choose from. The club will provide them room and board. Feel free to call the club directly and ask for Freddy. He will answer all your questions. The phone number is 809-571-2508

[Artisttyp]

I went there almost four years ago on my first trip to DR. I guess it was closed then re opened under a new owner.
It was ok not many people there. If they stocked it with women it might make for a nice break from sosua.

I had a problem finding a cab when I left so I had to go on a motoconcho while I was drunk...not fun. I probably just got unlucky.

[Dutchie525]

Yeni is a 26 year old cutie I had the last time I was in Sosua. A couple of days later she showed up at my hotel with her girlfriend, a gorgeous 23 year very small girl. I opened the door, they came in and started to undress me and themselves.
I s+f them both, they both gave me a bj. They both came and I did that 3 times. Gave both 1500.
The hottest threesome I experienced so far.

Enjoy a pic of Yeni. If you want her phone nr please pm me.

[Dutchie525]

I see talk of Sosua? Please tell me is this a part of a city? A street? I am new to this and I have not really figured things out yet. I am flying into Santo Domingo, I need a clean cheap hotel close to the action. Can you help? I have seen the names Hotel Europa & Aurora Hotel but I can't find them on the net. Is there a certain part of the city where the clubs are located. Whats best area to stay?

Thanks Larry

Larry,

You can find al you want to know by just reading the posts in the Sosua section.
To give you the highlights: The action is on a street called Pedro Clisante. Merengue bar, Clasico disco and Latino Club bar and disco are the places to be. A lot of hotels are around there. Depending on what you are prepared to pay.

I would recommend Casa Valeria Hotel, small, friendly, round US$40, swimming pool, and they don't care how many chicas you bring. But there are a lot of other options.

If you like contact details or any other advise, please let me know.

Dutchie

[Sidney]

Where is it.

[Sidney]

1. Caribe Campos. 2. Residencial Carlos. 3.Las Canas.

[Vagabond]

1. Caribe Campos. 2. Residencial Carlos. 3.Las Canas.

Only no 2 is in walking distance to everything, but i think it's very basic and maybe a bit run down.

[Vagabond]

Yeni is a 26 year old cutie I had the last time I was in Sosua. A couple of days later she showed up at my hotel with her girlfriend, a gorgeous 23 year very small girl. I opened the door, they came in and started to undress me and themselves.
I s+f them both, they both gave me a bj. They both came and I did that 3 times. Gave both 1500.
The hottest threesome I experienced so far.

Enjoy a pic of Yeni. If you want her phone nr please pm me.

I'll guess the other one was Mildred, two very known and active girls in Sosua, You will find them at Classico every night.

[Fantasy]

HIGH CARIBBEAN IS DONE.

[RenoGeorge]

Where is it.High Caribbean Disco is located on the far east end of Pedro Clisante.

[DR Monger II]

The velvet rope is closed. The gates are down. There one guy in there. Does he live there?

[Guthrie]

Where is it.


On Pedro Cliante towards Playa Chiquita casino. On the right hand side. Just past the road to turn to highway 5 near the car wash.

[Crossfire1]

I went to High Caribe on Friday 19th. I was told that it was the grand reopening. The club was packed and it was great. I really like the set up. Inside the was a DJ and girls dancing on stages. Outside there was a live band. I saw a few familiar putas but it look like a lot of local dominicans just out enjoying themselves. The feel is definately different from classico. I also noticed a lot of tourist being shuttled to the club. I think most of the all inclusives are trying to steer their guest to this club since Club X is closed. It's funny seeing all of the signs for Club X. It is one of the first things you see on the way to Sosua from the airport. The sign say Club X open everyday and now they are not open at all. Club X was only open for about a year. Seacrets is struggling to stay alive. Latino club is open a few months and doing ok. The Velvet Rope is dying. Now High Caribe opens up. It is just to hard to tell anything by the grand opening these clubs just don't last. Sosua just dosen't attract the amount of tourist needed to fill these clubs. Enjoy it while it last. I'll be back in Sosua in about 2 weeks, so I'll give an update then.

[Marco30]

Helpmann,

Do you offer 700-800 for all the night or 2-3 hours?


Hog wash? God, I hope you're not referring to my post? There is and has been a method to negotiations. There are plenty of courses and books on how to negotiate and they all generally refer to knowing ones personal BATNA (your "price") and trying to figure out the other party's BATNA (her "price.")

Once you know "STEP #1", the other party's BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement), you know what the other person wants and it's just a matter of whether you choose to pay it.

Believe me, negotiating with uneducated third world hookers isn't that hard! Once you realize that some women (Duarte and Classicos girls) are more than willing to go home alone every night, 7-nights a week, than negotiate a lower price, you know to stay clear of these irrational tigres (they're not that "irrational"," they're just "gambling" that they can find a "sucker" before they go broke.) Most of the tigres can be found in the evenings on Duarte Street (Boca Chica) and at clubs like Classicos (Sosua.) Call it pride or laziness, but most of these girls are much more interested in hanging out with their friends than making money and because they're "gambling" looking for the "sucker," they're behind (in debt) and feel the pressure to "double down" (RD$2,000+), instead of lowering their prices.

If you're negotiating with gazelles, you don't have much experience estimating BATNAs, and you really want to bang this chick, buy her a drink and feel her out. Unless, I think I'll have to pay RD$1,000+, I won't need the drink and conversation. Usually, I offer RD$700 or RD$800; however, sometimes their BATNAs are RD$600 and RD$700 respectively. This is a loss of RD$100, which for me, equates to the price of my time + her drink.

Good Luck!
Helpmann :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATNA

[Perilon]

I see talk of Sosua? Please tell me is this a part of a city? A street? I am new to this and I have not really figured things out yet. I am flying into Santo Domingo, I need a clean cheap hotel close to the action. Can you help? I have seen the names Hotel Europa & Aurora Hotel but I can't find them on the net. Is there a certain part of the city where the clubs are located. Whats best area to stay?

Thanks LarryLarry, Just to put you straight, Sosua is a town in the North East near Puerto Plata, and about 4 hours (I think) by cab from Santo Domingo. So if you want to go to Sosua you are best to travel to Puerto Plata. I know that Hotel Europa is in Sosua, although I haven't been there in about 4 years. Blackbeard's is a chica friendly resort in the area. If you're going to Santo Domingo look in that section of the ISGuide.

[Helpmann]

Helpmann,

Do you offer 700-800 for all the night or 2-3 hours?For the gazelles I hunt, the median price I pay has been RD$700 - RD$800 for one "hour" (until I orgasm.)

Although, there are a few exceptions, I RARELY allow a woman to stay the night. Tigres leave early and gazelles never leave; therefore, I only permit women that I know well to spend the night. The median price I pay has been RD$1,000 and the range has been RD$500 - RD$2,000.

BTW: Generally, the prices I quote in my posts are for short-time only.

Cheers!
Helpmann :)

[Gutter Meat]

Will be in Sosua tomorrow (Sunday) will give an update on High Carib disco.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Thanks alot, Going to the "SOSEWER" for the first time in About a year and a half, I thought my DR days were well behind me, but like 20 of us are going for a bachelor party so it will be a blast and maybe just maybe ill find a diamond in the "Rough"


No Viagra without Rx, says Ministry



SANTO DOMINGO.- The Ministry of Health’s Drugs and Pharmacies Agency is warning that as from January, anyone found selling sexual stimulants or any other drugs that require a prescription outside pharmacies will be subject to legal penalties ranging from fines to up to two years in jail.


Agency head David Díaz Guzmán said that a list of prescription drugs was being prepared. He also said that his department was going to limit inappropriate advertising for erectile dysfunction drugs, such as songs with risqué double-entendres, some of which have already been banned.


He said that these drugs are being consumed by young people and others who do not need them, and that this was a cause for concern, because they should only be used under medical prescription because of possible side effects, including dependence.


The Drugs and Pharmacies Agency will also be tackling the sale of medications outside pharmacies, in illegal establishments and advertising. The failure to act until now, he said, was due to under-funding, but he said that the resources required for more inspectors were now available.


Pharmacy owners say that erectile dysfunction drugs are their best-selling products, and that most are purchased by males between the ages of 18 and 45.


As well as pharmacies, these drugs are sold unrestrictedly in colmados, nightclubs, car washes, cafeterias, brothels and others. One chemist, Richard Camilo from Los Pinos pharmacy said that the demand for sexual stimulants from young men was “incredible”, adding that any taboos surrounding the need for such drugs no longer existed.


A colmado owner in Los Ciruelos, Andrés Rodríguez, said he started selling three brands of sexual stimulants six months ago, and now sells more of these than rice and beans.


“I’ve sold 800,000 tablets and the people who buy them are young people”, said Rodriguez.


A Cibao-based feminist group has warned that the use of these drugs has led to an increase in sexual assaults against women in the region, because many young men consume them after excessive drinking.

[Kdogg21]

It is business as usual for Viagra etc. I had friends there in the last week buy it as before. The rules are not in effect in Sosua.

[Supertigre]

It is business as usual for Viagra etc. I had friends there in the last week buy it as before. The rules are not in effect in Sosua.I believe that such drugs may be available over the counter from pharmacies, but no longer may be sold in colmadas (covenience stores).

[Kdogg21]

I believe that such drugs may be available over the counter from pharmacies, but no longer may be sold in colmadas (covenience stores).You are probably right. The first time I went to buy it the Pharmacies were sold out in Sosua and a guy in a car parts store tried to sell me some. I passed. went to Purto Plata the next day and they had lots there.

[Sidney]

What is the cost per pill, 100mg?

[Victor Lazlo]

Last September I paid 400 pesos or about US$12 for a packet of 4 100mg tablets of generic Viagra at a farmacia in Boca Chica. Since I quarter them, that comes to about $0.75 per dose. It works fine for me.

I bought the name brand at the same place in 2004, when I was a newbie. It cost, I think, $US10 per pill. I don't see any difference between the two in effectiveness.

The generic packet, about 3 inches square, has a picture of a white stallion on the front.

I wonder if they will use the "ban" as an excuse to increase the price.

Note to Supertigre: that was my read too, that it can only be sold over the counter at farmacias and nowhere else. We'll see how that goes. Next thing you know, they'll be trying to outlaw prostitution. Why oh why does the DR want to be just like the Good Ol' USA?

[Johan007]

Hi Helpmann,

I agree fully with that Batna thing....most girls would rather starve then lower their price by 500 pesos. I mean 3000 pesos for an all-nighter??? Come on...please. Thats about HALF a normal monthly salary!!!
It all comes down to looks,language skills and the "horny"factor of the male negociator;-)
IOW...if you look like shit, can't speak spanish and are horny as hell...you usualy pay the price charged by the girl.
Like i always say: "don't pay first world prices if you are in a third world country!!".

Personaly (like you) i don't like all-nigthers. Just 1-2 horas of f*ck session and then it's "chao linda"....One friend of mine got robbed back in 2002 (in Sosua) by a girl becoz the dumb ass fell assleep while the chica was in his room during an "all-nighter"....!

keep us informed helpmann. Love to read your stories.
Keep on F*cking!!

regards,

Johan


PS: I am down in the DR starting the 5th febr. till 27th....:-)If some of you wanna hook up PM me....I still have some days left SIN novia;-)


For the gazelles I hunt, the median price I pay has been RD$700 - RD$800 for one "hour" (until I orgasm.)

Although, there are a few exceptions, I RARELY allow a woman to stay the night. Tigres leave early and gazelles never leave; therefore, I only permit women that I know well to spend the night. The median price I pay has been RD$1,000 and the range has been RD$500 - RD$2,000.

BTW: Generally, the prices I quote in my posts are for short-time only.

Cheers!
Helpmann :)

[Escort King]

Have had cameras, phones and cash stolen in the DR.... hey if you drink you are at risk.... especially when you go for the late night happy hour...

[Doe Boy]

Does anyone know if XM channels are available in the DR, Sosua specifically? Thanks! Sorry for the spelling errors.

[Guthrie]

Does anyone know if XM channels are available in the DR, Sosua specifically? Thanks! Sorry for the spelling errors.

I believe it is. The Shark Bar has satelite radio. I could be sirius though.

[Escort King]

I believe it is. The Shark Bar has satelite radio. I could be sirius though.

Lou and the Shark Bar has everything you need.....

[Willi Fam]

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[Sidney]

Tried several agencies. The best far was Amber Guardian. Call Karina. She was organized and showed me many excellent apartments in Sosua/Cabarete.

[Sidney]

Seems to be mucho local action here on weekends. Anyone tried it?

[Sidney]

Visited about 10pm Friday, but was dead. Talked to a bartender friend, she said they have a lesbo act about midnight on Sat.?

[Sidney]

Sosua Life has far fewer patrons. The disco is more and more inhabited with young local men, several obviously gay and/or bi-sexual. Music is loud and hip-hop. They are no competition because of their orientation and lack of money. However, i did find 2 terrific young chicas there. Classico bar always full. Disco very good with a lotta 7's, a few 8's. Easy to find good chicas. Sat., they tried a 100 peso cover. I believe it failed. Please boycott them, if they try again.

[Sidney]

Both appear to be finished. Maybe here and there?

[Sidney]

My trip to Sosua is up and down! Best body ever, has returned from Miami with a grande actitude=so much for her. My favorita(Jeni)= a couple good sessions, then she decided to ''play me'' against others =goodbye. #3 Favorita has not returned from SDQ. I went with 4'' tongue chica (Veronica) one night, great-round-the-world and bbbj. Similar with a stacked Haitian. All of these chicas can be found at Classic and Sosua Life. I would say the scene here has deteriorated some since the holidays=fewer stunners. Oh well, my gf arrived Sunday from SDQ and all is well!

[Sidney]

Near the S.W. corner of Pedro Clisante and Dr. Rosen. Many ex-pats ''hang'' there. A great place to meet people. Good food, coffee pots, internet, Wi-Fi, reasonable. Marco is the owner and an excellent, knowledgable owner. They have parties, Holiday dinners, etc..

[Sidney]

Chica friendly but with knowledgeable security, big pool, game room, good restaurant, fun bar with visiting chicas, and an all monger clientel. Located near the far end of Pedro Clisante, near the Casino. I have stayed there 5 times. Henk and Harold are the managers.

[Sosuatype]

No offence to you Chily, just in case you aren't another Marco alias.

This guy has so many aliases going on it isn't funny. He promotes his pathetic little restauraunt on every forum related to the DR.

Next time you're there, why not ask his cooks what they think of him? Ask the expats that aren't hanging out there what they think of his restauraunt.

Visit the DR1 forum to witness his many aliases. It really is pathetic.

Truth: Food takes about 90 minutes to get to your table. This accounts for the "atmosphere" you get. It takes so long because his cooks hate him. Many people have witnessed him screaming at the employees. He's a wannabee.

There are dozens of better places to "hang" than that place. The only reason for the rib reputation is the aliases posting about them.

Just thought people should know the truth.

[Macmasher]

If you have a beef with Marco (the owner of Rocky's), why not address it with him?

Because by steering traveling mongers away from Rocky's - you're denying them one of the DR's most comfortable, fun, safe and affordable experiences.
I've been to Sosua MANY times. Have stayed several OTHER places, but have found my Sosua "home" at Rocky's.

The rooms are basic at best, most without AC. And yes, you'll wait awhile for your food. There might even be a big-ass black dog underfoot as you eat or drink. Welcome to Rocky's. It's like your oldest, most comfortable pair of slippers.


No offence to you Chily, just in case you aren't another Marco alias...There are dozens of better places to "hang" than that place... The only reason for the rib reputation is the aliases posting about them...Just thought people should know the truth.

[Sidney]

Marco has been most cordial to me He spent at least one hour making refinements to my laptop. He refused any payment.

[Escort King]

I am another fan of Rocky's... no shill just another monger who knows he can get a decent breakfast and access to the web in a colorful atmosphere.... it is a regular meeting spot of mongers from various boards and though yes food takes time getting there - it is much like the DR experience - no one is in a rush.

[Ponderosa]

I only went to Rocky's once, but I liked it too.

As EK said, slow service is part of the DR experience. The excuse they used when I was there was that everything was made fresh. OK, I'll buy that.

I liked the internet access there also.

[Sidney]

I opened an account at Bankers Trust, 25 Pedro Clisante for $25. They give you a Miami address. You have all your USA mail forwarded by the Post Office to the Miami address. The Miami office of BT sends it to Sosua for $3.50 per pound. BT telephones you that mail has arrived.

[Crossfire1]

I'm convinced that most of these forums focus on how to be a cheapskate more than how to have fun. Let's face it sosua is a shit hole because everyone wants everything for next to nothing. I think there is a real difference between paying too much, paying a fare price, and being cheap. While I see nothing wrong with finding good buys and getting discounts, I think it is crazy how all the forums focus on being a cheap ass. Most of these guys are trying to penny pinch because they are making several trips per year and they can't afford quality lodging and sevices over the 4-10 trips they will make per year. There is nothing wrong with this, but all of that gets lost in translation. Most people new to these forums don't realize that the post they are reading is by a guy who plans on making several trips per year to the DR and other places. So they don't realize why the guy is chasing 100RD chicas, staying in shit hole hotels, and then trying to convince you that this is how the DR is supposed to be done.

I was reading a post on another forum by one of the senior members. This was an unusual post because the member was posting about his trip to Las Vegas. In the post I noticed the guy went all out. He stayed at an expensive hotel on the strip. Bought expensive drinks for chicas and treated them to expensive shows. But when in the DR it's $30 rooms and $30 chicas.

I use the above example to show that if you have never been to the DR then you may want to take following advice:

Read the Forum(s)- there is a lot of great information there that can point you in the right direction. You can gage what the going rate is to pay a chica for short time or Todo la noche. Also the forums contain lots of information that will keep you safe.

Be yourself- Don't try to reproduce someone elses vaction experience. Get ideas from the forum and explore new things. Keep in mind that these forum(s) like politics have a certain spin to them. The forum(s) have a certain slant that leans toward, how to be a cheapskate in DR, instead of how to have a good time in the DR.

Accomodations- If you've never been to the DR before, but have been on vacation before, then you know what kind of hotel it is that you need. Of course it must be chica friendly (chicas are what these boards are about). after that it is up to you to decided. Don't let people on the board steer you into staying at a shit hole hotel because its OK for them. There are all levels of Chica friendly places in the DR from rooms, to condos, to villas. All reasonably priced. I take this one personally because it happend to me (palace hotel). 2 weeks ago I visited a friend of mine staying at the latest monger favorite hotel (New Garden). The Bathroom had a hot water heater just above the bathroom door. The water tank was leaking water at a fast rate and pouring water over the electric wires. It took serval complaints for management to give him a new room. So keep in mind that the latest monger hotel does not mean that it is a quality hotel. It usually means it's chica friendly and cheap.

Paying Chicas- Again read the forum because you need to find what the average going rate is for chicas. Once you know the going rates ignore the cheapskates. So what if Joe found a $300RD chica. Just be you. You may get some for free. I did. I'm for over paying a chica as much as I am for over paying for a car. I wouldn't. However, I know a Ferrari when I see one and that is not often. After having had countless chicas in the DR, every now and then I feel entitled to have a top shelf chica. That's when I'll pay more than the going rate and that is not very often. Mainly because I can't find a chica that I think is worth it. It takes more than great looks for me to think a chica is worth more than the going rate. It's vibe and her attitude as well.

Summary- Don't let these forum(s) recreate you. We all like pussy. That is the one thing we have in common. So read the forum(s) so that you can gain information on what you need. Spit the rest out. There are many ways to do the DR. If you can have it all and you can afford it, go for it. Some of you will only be able to go to the DR once a year or once in a lifetime. So make the most of it. These are memories for life. Don't worry about the discount traveller on his 15th DR trip.

[Escort King]

Crossfire very well said....

[Carolinaman]

Greetings,
I luv it when someone who is brand new with a total of one post bashes a place I have been to a number of times. Rockys is not the be all and end all of places. However, Marco is a decent guy who I have seen help a number of visitors to the area. I have never had a problem there and I have found the service to be faster than most other places. Still slow compared to anything in the States but you are in the DR. I have made over a dozen visits to the DR and found that Rockys is a great place to hang at.


No offence to you Chily, just in case you aren't another Marco alias.

This guy has so many aliases going on it isn't funny. He promotes his pathetic little restauraunt on every forum related to the DR.

Next time you're there, why not ask his cooks what they think of him? Ask the expats that aren't hanging out there what they think of his restauraunt.

Visit the DR1 forum to witness his many aliases. It really is pathetic.

Truth: Food takes about 90 minutes to get to your table. This accounts for the "atmosphere" you get. It takes so long because his cooks hate him. Many people have witnessed him screaming at the employees. He's a wannabee.

There are dozens of better places to "hang" than that place. The only reason for the rib reputation is the aliases posting about them.

Just thought people should know the truth.

[Si Poppi]

Don't worry about the discount traveller on his 15th DR trip.I don't worry about them but some of them seem to worry about me.

I never see generous people complain about how cheap some people are but the other way around is quite common.

[Terry U]

Greetings,
I luv it when someone who is brand new with a total of one post bashes a place I have been to a number of times. Rockys is not the be all and end all of places. However, Marco is a decent guy who I have seen help a number of visitors to the area. I have never had a problem there and I have found the service to be faster than most other places. Still slow compared to anything in the States but you are in the DR. I have made over a dozen visits to the DR and found that Rockys is a great place to hang at.

I've known Marco for a couple of years and I never had a problem with him, the issue from that DR1 board with Marco and a couple of ex-members is personal and has nothing to do with all of the newbies who jump on the bashing bandwagon. Only the old-timers on that board knows what went down. I'll leave it that, let those guys handle their own business, go there and enjoy the food, there are plenty of other joints to choose from.

[Catire]

paying chicas- again read the forum because you need to find what the average going rate is for chicas. once you know the going rates ignore the cheapskates. so what if joe found a $300rd chica. just be you. you may get some for free. i did. i'm for over paying a chica as much as i am for over paying for a car. i wouldn't. however, i know a ferrari when i see one and that is not often. after having had countless chicas in the dr, every now and then i feel entitled to have a top shelf chica. that's when i'll pay more than the going rate and that is not very often. mainly because i can't find a chica that i think is worth it. it takes more than great looks for me to think a chica is worth more than the going rate. it's vibe and her attitude as well.




the problem with this analysis is that the ferrari, especially if you're getting the right vibe/attitude, shouldn't be overpriced. the vibe/attitude basically means she likes you/feels comfortable with you and if it's that the case, she'll be very happy with the "going rate". otherwise, you're just getting played. if she's several standard deviations hotter than the average girl, then i suppose i could understand if she'll demand more money - though personally i would remain extremely skeptical. generally speaking in terms of sexual satisfaction/performance, money spent is inversely proportional to the former.

as to everything else in your piece, fair points but i would have to add that the biggest mistake people make is price everything in american $/purchasing power which is outright assinine and you should be leery of tourist traps and people who cater to tourists who price everything in $/american pricing power. it all adds up to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

btw, in my experience the girls tend to laugh at wildly overspending people and have little to no respect for them. just learn spanish well enough to talk to them/befriend them, and you'll learn the same.

[Crossfire1]

the problem with this analysis is that the ferrari, especially if you're getting the right vibe/attitude, shouldn't be overpriced. the vibe/attitude basically means she likes you/feels comfortable with you and if it's that the case, she'll be very happy with the "going rate". otherwise, you're just getting played. if she's several standard deviations hotter than the average girl, then i suppose i could understand if she'll demand more money - though personally i would remain extremely skeptical. generally speaking in terms of sexual satisfaction/performance, money spent is inversely proportional to the former.

as to everything else in your piece, fair points but i would have to add that the biggest mistake people make is price everything in american $/purchasing power which is outright assinine and you should be leery of tourist traps and people who cater to tourists who price everything in $/american pricing power. it all adds up to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

btw, in my experience the girls tend to laugh at wildly overspending people and have little to no respect for them. just learn spanish well enough to talk to them/befriend them, and you'll learn the same.


catire-you said "if she is several standard deviations hotter than the average girl then i suppose i could understand if she'll demand more money..." when i compaired her to a ferrari it should have been obvious that i was speaking of a girl that was "several standard deviations hotter than the average girl". if you can understand her asking for more money then enough said on that point right there. i went on to say that, it is not just looks that make a chica a ferrari it is "vibe and attitude." i don't think anyone needs that explain. i was merely saying that it is more than just looks that determines if a chica is worth it.

wildly overspending- i think i said read the forums to find out the going rate for short time and tln. obviously the researching of the forums is done to prevent wildly overspending. the only problem is as soon as some one wants to pay a little more than the next monger some el cheapo loses his mind. if i pay rd$300 more than you so what. did i wildly overspend? and as long as i'm not paying more for every chica? i'm not suggesting that you pay top dollar for every chica. i think the average man reading my post understood that. i am suggesting that- after doing some research and knowing the average rate people should be able to understand what is worth it and what is not, base on thier own values and not pressure from cheap asses on this board. it is good for the people to remember that it is thier lives, thier vacations, thier money, thier dicks, thier good times and thier memories. not mine and not yours. to get the most of thier vacations, the guy going on a once in a life time trip should not let a ferrari (several standard deviations hotter....) pass him buy because she wanted rd$300 more than the avarage girl.

pricing in usd-- when i negociate with a chica i always do it in pesos. i have had chicas make me offers in dollars and those are the chicas that are usually over priced(imho) and i usually tell them to fuck off.

chicas laughing- yes i have heard the chicas laugh stories before. while this is true, i am sure that it is no different than buying milk at twice the price. the clerk would laugh. or buying a house at twice the price. the sellers would laugh. but in the usa when we go to the 7-11(or other convience store) and pay a little more for the milk no one laughs. when you really want the house and pay a little more than the next guy, no one laughs. i could go on and on with examples. my point is, there is a difference between getting what you want and being a fool. the same goes for chicas. also, why not tell how some chicas(not all) laugh when el cheapo makes offers of $500rd. "the chicas laugh when..." defense for cheap mongers is true when applied to the fool but other than that its just bullshit to convince you to be cheap also.

again the main purpose of my previous post was to illustrate how most of these forums tend to try to hold people in a box. to have you live out thier cookie cutter vacations by recommending shitty hotels and telling you that you must be cheap in every way. then when they get back home, the same guys spend large amounts of money doing the same things(nyc). there is good valuable info on pricing and safety in the forum(s). much of that info gets lost in the competition to be as cheap as possible. i'm not suggesting that one be a "fool." so read the forum(s), do research and know the average rates for short time and tln. and remember the average rate is not written in stone. if you can get her for less-good.

purchasing power & tourist traps -- i have standards first. i think we all do. some people just need a concrete shell and bed to fuck a chica (hotel romanoff, clypso hotel). nothing wrong with that. just know your standards before you go. most mongers will not recommend anything more than $40 usd a night. if you go on vacation in your home country and you stay at shitty hotels then i can understand why you would do the same when you go to the dr. if you chose to stay in a decent place that cost a little more then i would not call that a tourist trap. there are plenty of shitty hotels and motels in vegas. ask yourself are you going to stay on or near the strip in las vegas or in a shitty motel. my suggestion is do the same in the dr (if you can afford it). just do you. don't let someone else say it is a tourist trap or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

for the new guys--know your standards and budgets before you go to dr. do the research and then try to get what you want, not what the forum wants. its your life.

ps: yes i know some of you have scored for $500rd and less. let's not dwell on this subject. i know it can be done. just using it to illustrated a point.

[Sidney]

Is there such a person or persons? Any names or recommendations?

[Yanqui69]

Is there such a person or persons? Any names or recommendations?


Are we talking as in real estate?

Suggest trying the americanrealtydr.com
or juanperdomoCentury 21 websites for an email response/referral.

[Ponderosa]

Crossfire,

First off, I am a fan. You are broaching a subject that touches on the nerves of the punters who believe everyone must be on the same page of paying the least for everything possible or they are "ruining it for everyone". Don't let it bother you. There seems to be even a fear on the boards of overpaying when you see something you want (that Ferrari), not wanting to lose your opportunity to buy it and paying asking price to make sure you get it. I think there is a thought that this activity drives up prices for them and their punting activities.

This may be true if it was the 300RD to 1000RD ST chicas you were talking about. You are not talking about them. The high end girls are already out of the "inexpensive" mongers price range. Your post clearly is addressing those who have a vacation coming up and advising them not to ruin it by going to the wrong hotel, cheaping out on food, and not going for the right quality chica for them to make their vacation the "fantasy" trip they want. All this grief because someone posts (example here) "you are 500RD over market prices". Whoop-tee-doo, a whole $15 US (I did that on purpose-I am an American..).

Crossfire this is good advice for those newbies out there making plans. Don't mess up your trip because you think 800RD is the most you should pay for any chica on this island. Please understand me, I am not talking about throwing around money like drunken sailors either. I think you are trying to make sure if someone has only ONE CHANCE to have a vacation like this to make it the best it can be. Don't cheap out and be miserable. What is wrong with that?

Hey I am not trying to point fingers here. This board should be big enough to handle suggestions for the most frugal of us, to those who choose to go to the $2000 USD per day All Inclusive Adult Vacation places and everything in between. Not everybody is the same, not everyone has the same fantasies, not everyone has the same checkbook, not everyone has the same language skills, etc. The DR offers punting on all levels. From Non-Pro to Semi-Pro to Hardcore-Pro with many variations of those. That is one of the reasons I love it here.

My 2 cents.

[Catire]

IMHO a 10000RD Chica is laughable. It better be Amelia Vega and she'd better be in love with you.

for that kind of money you can set yourself up in a sugar daddy situation with a super hot middle class girl who's not a *****.

but to each their own, eh?

[Crossfire1]

Ponderosa,

I think you understand exactly what I'm saying. What to pay a chica is always a sensitive subject. Just wanted to add some balance to the board(s).

What set me off-- I was reading a post where a guy was asking if the service at La Passions was negoitable because he thinks it cost too much. Then I read an old post about the opening of the Field of Dreams hotels. Some of the Senior members where already complaining that they are not going to pay the $40 per day rate and that they better get some serious discounts or they were going to use thier powers on the forum to bring or not bring them business. This guy had not even seen the hotel or stayed there yet, and he didn't believe the owners deserved the $40 a day they were asking.

I just think these boards need balance.

[Sidney]

Chily's revenge = I TLN with 2 of her best friends last night. Intentionally I pay them more money that the other chica. And will TLN them again tonight. Never again with the original chica! Stay tuned for the ''fall out''!

[Berthold]

I was in sosua from February 3 till March 3 and I had a great time over all. I stayed at the hotel voramar which is an excellent monger hotel right next to the casino in sosua at the far end of pedro clisante.

Afternoon action starts round about 3 pm in the pedro clisante and at the beach. Just approach any girl you like and if she is in the game she will let you know. At the beach just take a seat at a bar and you won't be alone for a long time especially during the weekend.

At the beach try bar siempre sol which is number 145 cause its owner hermann knows most of the working girls at the beach and their specialities like rimjobs. At night the action takes place at classicos, sosua life bar or latinos club round about 10 pm. The majority of the girls are very dark girls but there are always some really hot girls around too. Just approach any girl you like and make a deal.

I payed for st between 500 and 1000 pesos and for toda la noche 1500 pesos. Don't be afraid of girls asking for 3000 or 4000 pesos especially close to 1 am when the discos are about to close they usually come down to 1000 or 1500 pesos.

I also liked la passion alot and went there several times and got some phone numbers for dates before or after closing time.

After midnight the salida is 500 pesos and during the day 2500 pesos.

For eating out I went most of the time to baileys restaurant which is right next to the banco popular in the center of sosua or la finja restaurant which is situated on the other hand side of the street.

In total I had 8 girls during my time cause once I found a girl who I liked I kept her for several days, this is more confinient than looking for a different girl every day especially in Sosua.

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[Marc Anthony]

I was in sosua in the middle of February arriving on a Caribe tours bus from SD. My first learning experience was that the Caribe bus drops you off at the side of the road next to a wall on the main highway. As soon as I got my bag out of the bus a motoconcho was there to help me with it. I'd really intended to take a taxi but I was boxed in there and couldn't see any taxis (or anything else) so I said OK. He balances my 45lbs duffle bag in front of himself and off we go into rush hour traffic on the main highway. After a pleasant quiet 4 hour bus ride that last 5 minutes of terror really lets you know you've arrived. As it turns out the Carribe tours station is accross the street and you can get a taxi there (though I'd pay the 20 peso moto fare just for the guy to transport my bag accross the street in rush hour).

I checked in at the Europa and got the 5 minute course on reprogramming the room safe while I was still praising all the gods for letting me survive the motoconcho ride. It seemed like a sort of Fear Factor IQ test. I barely passed, got to the room, reprogrammed the safe, stowed my gear and chilled.

I had made it to the the center of what had been called "the holy city".

It was near sunset and I took a walk down pedro clisante to the beach. I was fresh meat in this town and the couple of town crack ho's, as well as all the street venders had to take a shot. Much like Boca chica there seem to be people who specialize in fresh foreigners of a certain language. Neither BC or Sosua are dominated by Americans and it takes folks a while to figure out what you are. For those interested in very low end chicas, I had a couple follow me for a block or two rapidly bidding themselves down to 300 pesos. One of them seemed to recover and think maybe she was scaring me off with too low a price and she began to insist that usually she would charge more and she meant that this was just for a BJ.

I've been back for a couple weeks and reread the board and gave some thouight to negotiating in the DR. This really is a more libertarian sort of culture than the US. Negotiation is a much bigger part of life. Everybody has some kind of hustle going all around U. I think that's one reason why so many people think more about going into business here- even when they gave it little thought back home. Another feature is failure. The first world covers up failure better. It seems OK to fail here. Try again. No Biggie. This leads me to thoughts about negotiating for chicas. I read about it but it seemed so unnatural. But then so does negotiating with a taxi or a manicurist. I was puzzled by what the "real" price of chicas was. Getting it through my head that the price of anything here is fluid has taken me some time and effort. Here goes a take a the price of chicas.

The price any chica is willing to take. The market clearing price for her at time t, depends on her mood, her needs and her expectations for earnings otherwise. Most chicas will take a lot less early in the day or late. Early they can be out again and have a shot at making more. Late they are risking making nothing if they reject the offer. This is definitely a buyers market. Most chicas in Sosua will not get even one man on any given day. This is not like some street walker in the Bronx who turns a dozen tricks a day. On the other hand most have had the addictive experience of asking a guy for 3000 pesos and having him just say. OK. It's a memory I'm sure like a slot machine flashing and ringing and all that dinero clanging down in the tray.

Early in the evening I was walking down Pedro see. And got approached by a little fire plug of a chica who was in the company of a tall slender chica I thought was amazing. By this time I'd overcome my sense of politeness enough to straight out say sorry I have no interest in you but your amiga is beautiful. Cool, the fireplug starts negotiating for her friend (who helps a bit too). She wants 3000 pesos. This seems very high to me. It's very early in the evening. Would I buy them a drink? Sure. 2500 pesos. I really would just like to look around and not jump into this. 2000 pesos. Where is your hotel? Europa. A bit of a problema. She hasn't got her cedula. She left it at home in Santo Domingo. Lo Siento. No cedula. No hotel. Wait! She can go with you to the Calypso. Only 300 pesos. Sorry. I was at this point totally backing out because I don't know where Calypso is.even though I've read about it on the board before, and I'm picturing another motoconcho thrill ride down the main highway but his time in the dark, plus I have no idea if this chica is actually over 18. She claims to be 19. I know plenty of 14 year olds who look 19. So I'm shaking my head. 1500 pesos. Total. 1200 for us, 300 for the hotel. Sorry, I can't be sure she's 18. 1300. 1000 pesos for us. I smile. Thank them for their time, and walk out. OK. 1000 pesos total.

I managed to bargain them down from 3000 to 1000 (including hotel) without actually bargaining. Just being my genuine noncommital bashful hesitant self. That plus my firm decision that I wouldn't take a chica who had no ID. In retrospect I realize that this sort of bargaining is brute force. Just refusing the sale but letting the selling keep making offers. I remember it occurring several times in different contexts.

The next day I saw them again, waved, smiled, they smiled back.

Negotiations begin with the question of who will make an offer first. Later I was trying to get a chica I actually wanted (this one also talking mostly through an amiga). I say what do you want. She says how much are you offering. I say Ummmm. 2000 pesos for ST. My warped brain thinking something like. Well that's actually better than they expect to get so it should do it. It actually does kind of stun them a bit. They hesitate and talk. Then one comes back with no, thats not good enough. I say how much? They say. Hesitantly, ahhh 2500? I say OK, 2500.

Reviewing the mental game tape I of course realize what went on. They open with asking me to make the initial bid. It should have been something like 500, but with a smile and an agreement that of course they are worth more but I'm not a rich man. Instead I say 2000. They think, holy shit! The crazy gringo is actually offering us twice what we really hope to get on his first bid! They go into a huddle. If the gringo is this batshit crazy he may do anything but we can't lose him. Still if that's his first bid we've just got to try for more but hey just a little more because we can't let him get away.

As it turned out that chica and another chica that I over-paid both were very worthwhile experiences. The good experience however was despite overpaying rather than because of it. My sense is that the botched negotiation actually started the connection with the chica off on the wrong foot. The fact that I'm a nice guy, I work hard at the language, I try to please the chica in bed, I'm respectful etc eventually turns the chica around but she starts off thinking. What a fool this guy is. I've come to think that if you like a chica you bargain hard- but politely and pleasantly. You show her you are no fool and you are in control. Later if appropriate you show her generosity by your own choice and based on her deserving it.

She says how much are you offering? You give a number. If it's early or late rather than prime time, I think 500 or 600 is good to start. Why? It's half what a decent price should be and thats what's expected. You're communicating that you're willing to spend 1000 to 1200. I had to overcome my initial embarassment at an offer so low. Because it may provoke a show of rejection. It should. Derisive laughter. A toss of the pretty mane of hair. No that's not enough. Well how much would you find sufficient? She's still talking, the negotiation is on. Now she's got to name a number. She doesn't want to go too high since you low balled the opening bid it would just signal that you really are very far apart. 2500? That puts the mid point. You double, she halves- a bit over un mil where you expected.

The thing I had to get past is that at least in Sosua or the main DR mongering areas this is an everyday market transaction. It's not illegal or embarassing or hidden in itself. Participants do want to hide the details of their transactions for the same reason that bids are typically very privelidged information in the US. It's not in the least bit secret that you are taking or giving bids though the details of the bids themselves are quite secret. Similarly chicas are entirely open about the fact of the negotiation. Though they often don't want others to hear the details.

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[Ponderosa]

Talk about hitting a nail on the head!

Marc you have discovered the "Dominican" mindset. It takes a bit to get your head around it, especially if you are from a first world country. The mental games that go on in the locals minds as well as the Domincan experience are written out in your report.

Great post!

[Marc Anthony]

The Plaza Europa is the default hotel in Sosua that I'd always read about on both mongering boards and DR1. It's definitely in the middle of the action and it's competently managed. Very large rooms with full kitchenette facilities. Good if noisy AC that you control completely. At Casa Marina for example and at many other AI's (as well as some smaller hotels) they have a wall slot you have to place your key card in to make the AC work. It prevents you from leaving the AC on when you are out of the room. At the Casa Marina at least, the AC kicks out whenever the power fluctuates or the planta has to come on line. That means you often wake up without AC and have to get up and reset it. Not that I want to leave the AC on all the time but it is a nice luxury sometimes to be able to return to a pleasantly cool room.

In five days I never heard other guests in their rooms or had any problems. The hotel provides alarm clocks but without battery back-up and as the power will frequently go out briefly at night it will always be flashing 12:00. They also have phones in the rooms and will do wake-up calls so it doesn't matter much.

I took advantage of the fridge and microwave and went to the playero supermarket when I got in. It really is a major convenience to me not to have to go out to eat all the time as much because service is so slow as anything. I also bought a fifth of Brugal Anejo at the super super - about RD$200 I think. It was more than half full when I left so it went with my tips and presents for the maid. Beer is definitely no longer cheap here and my frugal mongering instincts rebel at paying as much for a few beers as I know I could potentially pay for a decent campo chica.

Walking out of the lobby if you turn left on Pedro C. you pass a moto rental, a bank ATM, an outdoor chicken place, and a small grocery market (bigger than a colmado) before seeing a big strip/massage place [which I already forgot the name of] on the other side of the street and a block past it La Passion massage. The chicken place is so informal looking I thought at first it was a sort of family picnic shelter. It's not and it provides good cheap grilled chicken. Past La Passion there is very little of interest for a long way on Pedro C. all the way to High Carribean.

La Passion is a fun well run business. Decent looking chicas - I'd be willing to do any of them, pleasant bar and not much pressure. Lots of funny signs about blow jobs. RD$1000 straight pricing for an Ok attempt at a massage, a decent tease and some OK preliminary head followed by a mostly hand job to completion. The chica I picked had a very nice set of tetas which she dangled and moved very pleasantly while massaging my chest and stomach from above my head. If I was a regular I think I would follow the lead of some posters here and get more directive offering a small propina of 200-300 for oral I'd consider better -including CIM which was not included automatically.

I like Sosua enough that I keep thinking about how I would do things if I lived here. La Passions wouldn't be all that frequent a stop for me but I'd do it on occasion for convenience like McDonalds.

La Passions isn't all that flashy. Actually I think I stopped and had a few beers there in 2004 and talked to a german guy for at least an hour without ever noticing that they even did massages or BJs or were that place with a lot of stuff on the internet. The place closer to europa just down from passions is much more obviously a sex industry joint. It has signs claiming strippers and massages. It just seemed too much of a flashy rip off - though to be fair the one time I walked right past it I had just been pretty thoroughly drained of leche by the young masseuse at La Passion.

Turn right out of the lobby and you hit the famous Domino's/Four Roses bars right across the side street. Friendly popular places that seem hard to not to become a regular at. Great for watching the street scene flow past.

I really got to like one of the bartenders and tried to pay her salida on my last day but she said the new owner doesn't let them leave. I was shocked. This was a breach of customary practice! She was very happy to get together after work but this was a friday and that was after 2am and I had to get up about 5:30 to catch the bus back to SD so too bad. If I was in the situation again I'd just have her come over after work and sleep until then but I was a bit nervous about pulling off my big travel day since I'd never done quite a few of the elements.

As it turns out I was too conservative about it. It's not that hard to take Carribe tours back to SD and a taxi to the airport in time for an afternoon flight at Las Americas. The desk will call a taxi, the taxi takes 5 minutes. There are people there even at 6am in the dark. It is a bit weird to get off by the side of the road in almost total darkness with all of your luggage and try to figure out what to do next. Even though it was blacked out, there is a little station right there. There was a ticket window with a clerk who had a candle and a pen and filled out my ticket. There was a waiting room with seats but it seemed a bit stuffy so I sat on my bag outside with some other people. I was too conservative. The buses really are on schedule.

Earlier in the week I had booked a deep sea fishing excursion with one of the tour companies (they all seem to offer the same tours) and the hotel pick-up missed me. They called the hotel desk after a while and I agreed to catch a cab to Puerto Plata to meet the boat. The taxi I got had just been sitting outside across the street for a very long time. I'd thought of taxi's as expensive - as they are for direct trips like the one I took to PP - 1000 pesos , $30, which is half of what the whole fishing trip cost and that included beer/sandwiches and hotel pickup and delivery. Talking to the taxi driver on the way I asked what he'd charge to drive around locally for say 6 or 8 hours - Sosua, caberete, Monte llano, on a fee plus gas basis. He though about it and said RD$500. I was surprised. It made sense though. As I mentioned, I'd noticed him sitting around outside for a very long time. I think he was there from 8am until 1pm when we left without a fare. If I could give him a profit of 500 after gas that was worthwhile. His time sitting around or guideservices were not costly. In the future I'll try to negotiate car with driver services from taxis. It wouldn't cost much more than a rental car and doesn't have the liability issues. In time I'd have a couple of phone numbers of taxi's for all day lease. It seems a bit odd but taxi's for specific jaunts are quite expensive but taxi's hired to sit around and wait on you all day dedicated to your sole use could be cheap. I suspect the same economic logic applies to pussy.

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[D Life]

The truth about negotiating in the DR is that once you speak the language and do not act like a tourista and you are genuine and nice with a little sence opf humor and a dont take me for a ride attitude (normally refered to as "Tigre") the price drops by 50%. I have noticed that. I have been there enough times to know.
I just came back from 3 weeks in the DR and will be going back there again in another 2 weeks.

[Glrobin]

Anyone interested in staying in an apartment /resort (chica friendly) between Cabarete and Sosua from March 17,2007 and March 24,2007. One bedroom, Kitchen,bath,pullout bed for your guest and many other amenities. I double booked two apartments when I only needed one. I speak fluent spanish. $250 dollars for the week.

If anyone interested, please PM GLROBIN

[Bigup]

Guy's can you tell me is the Garden chica friendly?

[Escort King]

Anyone interested in staying in an apartment /resort (chica friendly) between Cabarete and Sosua from March 17,2007 and March 24,2007. One bedroom, Kitchen,bath,pullout bed for your guest and many other amenities. I double booked two apartments when I only needed one. I speak fluent spanish. $250 dollars for the week.

If anyone interested, please PM GLROBIN

seems like a decent price

[Bq Ribs]

Guy's can you tell me is the Garden chica friendly?The New Garden Hotel is chica friendly and a nice place to stay.

[Dirtyguy]

Guy's can you tell me is the Garden chica friendly?Yes, very.

[Guthrie]

Guy's can you tell me is the Garden chica friendly?

Yes, The New Garden is chica-friendly

[Sidney]

Slip the guard 100 pesos. No problems.

[Puerto La Cruz]

Great advice dude. Especially of she's only 16. Yeah, we need alot more people like you on this board. Reckless, careless and cheap. Just what we need around here. A hundred pesons isn't even two bucks!! You must be hanging with some real stunners.

[Sidney]

That is a normal bride to a security guard when the chica, 18 to 35, does not have docs. Which is common! What the chica is paid is negotiated between us. And is a lot more than 100 pesos!

[Charlie Horse]

Why wouldn't someone working who is 18-35 not have the card?

[Helpmann]

Why wouldn't someone working who is 18-35 not have the card?Maybe she's Haitian and she's in the country illegally?

I don't ask for ID and I don't bribe security guards either. If she's hot, looks legal, and she's selling herself, I am going to take her to my hotel and tap that ass!

Nevertheless, last month I was happy when "My Spinner" voluntarily took out her ID to show me. I'm glad that she didn't try to make me look like a fool or a liar.

A Hard Dick Has No Conscience,
Helpmann :cool:

[WSJ3]

Why wouldn't someone working who is 18-35 not have the card?

If they don't have their papers then they need to go to Santo Domingo and pay a lawyer in order to get their cedula.

Its not cheap.

[Qmann]

Hey guys,

I'm heading to Dominican after 8 years whoring in Asia. By reading the posts seems like Sosua is the place (will be there for 10 days in March for the first time).

If someone would finish the sentence below would be appreciated:

In Thailand: Pattaya, Walking street...

In The Phillipines: Orchid Inn, Angeles City...

In The Dominican Republic: ________________

[Marc Anthony]

The majority of haitians and many of haitian ancestry born in the DR do not have cedulas or any documents. A significant number of dominicans over 18 don't have them either. Getting a cedula depends on having a valid birth certificate and many of these people don't have one.It's not just a matter of getting a replacement (which isn't easy). They never had one. There was a recent scandal involving issuing false birth certificates to get cedulas and payments were quite high - in the hundreds to thousands of dollars per certificate range. I've talked to haitian chicas who not only don't have a cedula or birth certificate but actually don't know their birthday or exactly how old they are. One of these chicas had a daughter who was a teenager and was unquestionably an adult of normal intelligence. She knew her age within a year or two in relation to her siblings but nobody tracked birthdays when she was a child and she just didn't know.

[Sidney]

This explains why many don't have docs. The % is staggering. Any apology from the most critical Puerto?

[WSJ3]

Pedro Clisante is the walking street...


Hey guys,

I'm heading to Dominican after 8 years whoring in Asia. By reading the posts seems like Sosua is the place (will be there for 10 days in March for the first time).

If someone would finish the sentence below would be appreciated:

In Thailand: Pattaya, Walking street...

In The Phillipines: Orchid Inn, Angeles City...

In The Dominican Republic: ________________

[Papi0170]

The New Garden Hotel is chica friendly and a nice place to stay.Do they require Cedula from the chicas at New Garden? How much do they charge for an A/C room?

[Escort King]

Pedro Clisante is the walking street...

He wants Classicos, Sousa
or just Pedro Clisantre, Sousa

[Qmann]

Appreciate the info. Will be at one or both of these places and find a good hotel with pool once I arrive. Hopefully can hook up with someone at that time to shoot the shit. Adios.

[Escort King]

Appreciate the info. Will be at one or both of these places and find a good hotel with pool once I arrive. Hopefully can hook up with someone at that time to shoot the shit. Adios.

Rocky's for breakfast and the Shark Bar for early evening drinks and dinner - you will find plenty of fellow mongers to talk to at both.

[Sidney]

Voramar is a monger hotel, while Las Canas has a huge pool and is chica friendly.

[Ford]

Rocky's for breakfast and the Shark Bar for early evening drinks and dinner - you will find plenty of fellow mongers to talk to at both.

I can't stand walking past Rocky's! 'Cause next door used to be my beloved "Cowgirl Bar" - now is closed! I was there last week and peaked in. The Cowgirl Bar is "gutted" incl. the fixtures - only thing left is the paintings of cowgirls on the walls.

I heard it was purchased by an American woman, and she has big plans for it?! Sounds promising! :)

I realize, of course that it was a dump with only marginally attractive girls, but it was MY FAVORITE - dump with only marginally attractive girls! :D

I would Bachata dance there with the "house chicas" for hours to the sounds of Joey Veras, Elvis Martinez and Frankie Reyes! I even slept in one of their upstairs rooms (room 4) for 2 nights.

(in any case, Rocky's is located right next door)

[Always Horny #2]

I will be in the area within the next couple of weeks. I'm lodging in Puerto Plata, but I was thinking of making a day trip to Sosua.

What day should I come down?

Can I expect to find some nice talent during the day?

I want to go to Classico's one night, but with all the advice against traveling late at night between the two towns, I'm a bit reserved.

Any help is appreciated.

[Marc Anthony]

Ford, I sympathize about the loss of Cowgirls. Are there any other places the chicas live above that are kind of modest and friendly like that?

Whats that new bar across the street like?

[Marc Anthony]

There are chicas on Pedro Clisante and quite a few on the beach during the day, both at the small bars and strolling along.You would have to get a room anyway so you might consider staying over rather than returning at night. La Passion is open days and would have several chicas to choose from 1000 pesos massage and BBBJ fixed price. A taxi back at night would cost as much as a room at rocky's for the night.

[Ford]

Ford, I sympathize about the loss of Cowgirls. Are there any other places the chicas live above that are kind of modest and friendly like that?

Whats that new bar across the street like?

The name of the new bar directly across the street is escaping me. (and I was there just a few days ago too) But its real disappointing. When I was there they had Bachata music blaring from speakers behind the bar, but evidenty a few of the waitresses think they were actually hired to be REAL waitresses!:(

I got a fairly cold reaction when I steered the conversation with one girl towards returning to my condominium for the night. The place is stylish, but was largely empty and didn't have much energy.

At least that was my experience there, I'd be interested to know if someone took a girl out of there and what there experiences were.

[Mack Dad]

Who will be in Sosua this weekend? I will be there from Sat-Mon.

[WSJ3]

He wants Classicos, Sousa
or just Pedro Clisantre, Sousa

It would probably be best if he hit Classicos...pretty hard to miss out on the chicas in that spot EK...

[Gladiator]

Ass N Grass,

Just don’t expect Sosua meat market to be anywhere closer to that of Pattaya: Sosua’s mongering scene is infinitely smaller, but you can still have a good time.

[Papi0170]

Ass N Grass,

Just don’t expect Sosua meat market to be anywhere closer to that of Pattaya: Sosua’s mongering scene is infinitely smaller, but you can still have a good time.Can anyone tell me if cedula is required at New Garden? Thanks for your help.

[Sidney]

Way more than I was finding in my last home of 2 years, Buenos Aires.

[GrouchoMarx]

I sometimes contribute to the New York City forum. I would like to know if I am better off at Villa Brigette (possibly the Stuckman property referred to by DrVisiter) at $240 for 3 nights, or at the Europa for $116? It is always nice to save a few dollars, but for me a nice trouble free weekend is most important. Also, will anybody be in town 4/13-4/16?

[Bob Belez]

New Garden does not require cedulas, but they do sign-in chicas. This is for your protection as well as theirs.

[Patrk39]

I sometimes contribute to the New York City forum. I would like to know if I am better off at Villa Brigette (possibly the Stuckman property referred to by DrVisiter) at $240 for 3 nights, or at the Europa for $116? It is always nice to save a few dollars, but for me a nice trouble free weekend is most important. Also, will anybody be in town 4/13-4/16?It's a matter of preference. I like staying in the villas while I'm there. Personally, I consider the Europa unpleasant, to be kind. If you want a decent chica-friendly hotel, try the New Garden.

[Patrk39]

Alert. Don't rent anything from the stuckmans living in Playa Laguna they are not to be trusted. I left 10 days early it was that bad with a lawyer we hired who brought along a police escort. They have a unsavory reputation in the community.What type of problem did you have?

[Bert Bongo]

I sometimes contribute to the New York City forum. I would like to know if I am better off at Villa Brigette (possibly the Stuckman property referred to by DrVisiter) at $240 for 3 nights, or at the Europa for $116? It is always nice to save a few dollars, but for me a nice trouble free weekend is most important. Also, will anybody be in town 4/13-4/16?I've been many times to Villa Brigette - had great times and never problems.

Hotel EUROPA is located on the main strip in Sosua - also nice, but basic rooms and noisy.

[Bert Bongo]

I sometimes contribute to the New York City forum. I would like to know if I am better off at Villa Brigette (possibly the Stuckman property referred to by DrVisiter) at $240 for 3 nights, or at the Europa for $116? It is always nice to save a few dollars, but for me a nice trouble free weekend is most important. Also, will anybody be in town 4/13-4/16?I've been may times to VILLA BREGITTE - always great times and never problems.

HOTEL EUROPE is not bad - but rooms are basic and noisy.

[Bert Bongo]

Ass N Grass,

Just don’t expect Sosua meat market to be anywhere closer to that of Pattaya: Sosua’s mongering scene is infinitely smaller, but you can still have a good time.And Sosua is heaven for butt lovers.

[Papi0170]

New Garden does not require cedulas, but they do sign-in chicas. This is for your protection as well as theirs.Thanks for the info, Bob!

I am comfortable with that.

[Always Horny #2]

Okay, fellas. I'm in the stretch run. I will be in the area within 10 days. I will make sure to provide detailed reports and pics of my experiences.

I think I have a pretty good idea of where to go and what to do, now I'm just trying to make the most of it. If you are currently in Sosua, I would like your input. As usual, any assistance is greatly appreciated.

What should I expect as far as quantity/quality as compared to the high season?

What would be the best day of the week for an early afternoon visit? Are there any days to avoid?

Which night ,other than Saturday, could I expect to have a decent time? Are there any nights to avoid?

Thanks,

AH

[Escort King]

New Garden does not require cedulas, but they do sign-in chicas. This is for your protection as well as theirs.

That can be risky unless this is someone you have known for a while... there is a website with cedulas listed I remember hearing about....

[Escort King]

And Sosua is heaven for butt lovers.

Sousa is heaven in the Caribbean.... there are a few other spots on the planet with their own little heavens

[Papi0170]

That can be risky unless this is someone you have known for a while... there is a website with cedulas listed I remember hearing about....Hi Escort King!

What do you mean exactly by "risky"? Does that mean that I might have trouble with the girl or the management of the hotel? Please, clarify a bit. Thanks

[Pana Nyc]

And Sosua is heaven for butt lovers.
I have to disagree with this, BRASIL IS HEAVEN FOR BUTT LOVERS HAVE YOU BEEN TO 4X4 and seen that place dude?

[Escort King]

hi escort king!

what do you mean exactly by "risky"? does that mean that i might have trouble with the girl or the management of the hotel? please, clarify a bit. thanks

don't want to risk getting caught with an ****d girl.... third world prisons are a *****. also pics of **** girls can get you in trouble at customs coming back to the us...
plus most places want the cedulla and trying to bribe someone when the girl is **** is a flag... if the person is obviously of age then you may have less of a headache.

[Dr Visiter]

What type of problem did you have?We rented a 2 bedroom beach house (1/4 mile to beach) fo the month . Another couple were to join us mid Jan which would make a total of 4 people. We werer told we could not have more than 2 people in the unit. Check the dr1 web site for more

[Scotch]

Having been to sosua in a while is the Sousa Palace hotel still there.

[Marc Anthony]

The building is still there and John has it on the market. It hasn't been operated as a hotel for quite a while.

[Ford]

I snapped this photo last week. "Dominican" John is a friend and is still one of the nicest and most stand-up guys I've ever met - in my many trips through Latin America.

He's out of the hotel business after being "worn down" by cheap gringos and users. I can't blame him at all.

I wish him well on his future business ventures. :)

[Adult Fun]

Is there a internet site for the New Garden?

Inaddition what is the best chica friendly hotel in Sosua, that is clean, AC, safe in room and no car necessary for 2 week stay?

Thanks in advance.

[Joe Hermer]

I snapped this photo last week. "Dominican" John is a friend and is still one of the nicest and most stand-up guys I've ever met - in my many trips through Latin America.

He's out of the hotel business after being "worn down" by cheap gringos and users. I can't blame him at all.

I wish him well on his future business ventures. :)You are right, to many low class mongers.

And this was my last destination in Sosua - more decent compare to the palace - but 100% girl friendly.

Can you imagine - together with a chica in a hammock and the beach few meters away.

[Sidney]

That place looks great. Where is it!

[Joe Hermer]

That place looks great. Where is it!Actually I wanted to keep the secret to myself - anyway here we go.

I've forgotten the name of their homepage - but check "GOOGLE".

Keyword : "sosua rentals" or "vacation rentals Dominican Republic"

The page shows always up on no. 1

Good luck

[Helpmann]

That place looks great. Where is it!When you have a chance Joe, give us a review of the place.

I Hope to Return to DR in a Week!
Helpmann ;)

www.sosuarentals.com

[World Jockey]

Well I just came back from Sosua last week.

I stayed in an apartment.

My friends stayed in an AI(It was their 1st time there and I had warned them)

Anyhow I myself had problems visiting them as they would not let me in without a wrist band. Much less them bringing girls back to the room.

MY buddy had to pay the guy at the front off; go and come back at a certain time during the night.

And STILL was woken up at 7am by the same fella telling him the girl had to leave NOW! They ended up getting separate rooms at plaza europa just so they could bring girls back. Europa only asks for ID.

They are girl friendly but be warned don't let them catch you with

A) more than one girl

Or be) having your friend use your room

We committed both offenses and was charged extra by the pissed off dutch woman at the front desk.

I have stayed at other hotels in the past and the only one that seems to have a problem with women is casa marina

However I will onl do apatment rentals from now on this way if the woman doesnt have her Id on her it isn't a problem.

[Joe Hermer]

When you have a chance Joe, give us a review of the place.

I Hope to Return to DR in a Week!
Helpmann ;)

www.sosuarentals.comWe have been there last December with a group of 5 single mens and rented 2 beach houses and a 1 bedroom apartment.

Concrete queensize beds, aircon, wireless internet connection, free cellphones and few meters to the beach.

In the evening we lit the BBQ by the pool and fried chicken wings together with the girls.

Also we ordered a private masseuse and we received a relaxing massage on the terrace of the beach house.

Meanwhile our girls served us "HENNESSY" on the rocks - it was a fantastic experience.

The only downpart the villas and apartments are 2 miles away from the main strip in Sosua.

Sorry for my bad englisch - I am from Norway

Joe

[Papi0170]

don't want to risk getting caught with an ****d girl.... third world prisons are a *****. also pics of **** girls can get you in trouble at customs coming back to the us.

plus most places want the cedulla and trying to bribe someone when the girl is **** is a flag... if the person is obviously of age then you may have less of a headache.thanks escort king for the explanation.

i don't think i have to worry about that. i don't do **** girls. i am more into 20 + or so. i even do 30 and something in some cases. also, the girls i will take there are girls i have known for 2 or 3 years. i have never had any trouble with them. i leave them in my room and go to playero or other places. they don't touch a thing. thanks again.

[Papi0170]

I snapped this photo last week. "Dominican" John is a friend and is still one of the nicest and most stand-up guys I've ever met - in my many trips through Latin America.

He's out of the hotel business after being "worn down" by cheap gringos and users. I can't blame him at all.

I wish him well on his future business ventures. :)I stopped by the Palace several times. Never stayed there. Never had the chance to meet John. I have heard a lot of good things about him. Good luck John!

[Always Horny #2]

Would I be correct in the following assumptions for a ST?

Sosua 1000 pesos
Puerto Plata 1500 pesos

I don't mind paying more, but I don't want to flamed by the board. Actually, I will take back. If she has the right combination of attitude and looks, I will probably have a difficult time with "negotiations". LOL