View Full Version : Sosua Reports
Sosúa is (was?) paradise on earth for mongers. Sea, sex and sun. Each time was there I was happy and I was not the happiest. When I read this board, I often say that I'm to "shy" when I'm up there. From our point of view, I think things won't be the same for a while. But I won't blame anyone for that. But I would miss not to be happy again but I don't mind to share the village with regular tourists if I still can find sweet chicas.
Ugly American behavior? Yeah right Englishmen never get drunk and raise hell?Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for me
Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for meI think Mr. Pooter is a pretty good poster and probably was mis-understood. But your above comment was exactly what I was thinking as I followed the posts. It really is an apples to apples comparison. They treat Amsterdam like many Americans treat Sousa or worse. The dutch hate them there.
Sir Pooter, ever been to Amsterdam and experienced the Ugly British behaviour? Spoiled the visit for meWhen I was is the Navy I have seen the hell that a drunk American sailor can raise. It was usually with the Marines LMAO. The Airforce guys were smart enough to get out of our way. Once we had to share a club with some British Sailors. Everyting was okay till those British sailors got drunk. Then the anti American and racial insults came forward. In the USN getting drunk and fist fighting was expected, but the next day we were working right besides the same marines we were fighting the night before, it was just young guys having fun. But those British sailors had a different type of anger. It was as if we were enemy no 1, not their closest ally.
Also guys talk about the young Americans in Sosua. People say they act like rap stars, throw money in the club, and fuck all the girls. But no one can ever say they saw them in a fight. I've seen Dominicans knife fight, I've seen two Italians beat the crap out of each other, and I've seen girls fight. When do the Americans that everyone has a problem with fight? Five years in Sosua and not one major incident. The bottom line is some people just don't like Americans especially the young variety. The young guys have a different SOP (standard operating proceedure) than older guys that we don't fully understand, but when the older guys were young guys people thought they were different also. But I'm not buying that that different behaviour translates to violence.
Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.
I mean if "anywhere" you go is based on how much cheap sex you can find, I think your doing something wrong.
I'm booked for a month in April 2011, was there for 3 weeks in 2009, and had a great time.
Didn't take anyone out of the Classico's or the other bars, but met one from SD, that came up to see me who I had met online and set up before I got there.
The other two, I met thru a taxi driver while I was visiting his home, the other one worked at that little place they sell lotto tickets, in one of the neighborhoods.
Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.
My spanish is improving so I look forward to this vacation being just as enjoyable as my first one, which was my first visit to Sousa and the DR.
Good beaches, good stores, the condo I rent is nice.
Women will be always available where ever you go.
My most important criteria is already in place before I get to where ever I'm going.
NO WORK FOR 1 MONTH. 1.
My plans are not changing.
Nowrath
SavePros321
12-12-10, 23:05
Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.
I mean if "anywhere" you go is based on how much cheap sex you can find, I think your doing something wrong.
I'll be the first to admit that I thought nothing of the DR until I found out about Blackbeard's in PP and Sosua. It's amazing how much significance the country (now) has to me when viewing a world map. It's as almost as if it didn't exist on it at first, LOL. Same can be said for BR, COL, CR, etc. I guess what I am trying to say is that when I first started my research a few years ago, the first thing I typed into the search engine was NOT to find out how beautiful the beaches are.
Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.
That sound like a good summary of what anyone can expect their vacation to be like in "New Sosua," LOL.
But seriously, either the people going there now (post Dec. 3rd) are having way too much fun and are keeping it a secret from the boards (us) , or people are there and having a crappy time and don't want to tell us how much their trip sucked (embarrassed) ; or it could be that no one is there and therefore no one can say what is actually going on.
If you notice, the "rock'and rolll'in good tyme" reports kinda trailed off after Dec. 3rd. Now it's anyone's guess as to what is going on there.
Professor 1
12-12-10, 23:30
I was planning on another visit to Sosua late Jan. Is it worth going anymore? I'm reading current posts but can't really tell if its worth the trip anymore. Been about 6 times and NEED another trip. Someone please give me an answer.Yes, visit. You can still find what you seek.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-13-10, 00:03
Reading with great amusement of guys thinking about changing their vacation plans, because of what's going on in Sousa.
Can't say that I am a monger like the majority, I plan my vacations off season, and prefer a good book on the beach in the daytime, and occasionally a dinner partner a night, usually in my condo with sex not the being the first thing we do once were there.
NowrathI have fucked as many times as 11 in one day. I can read at home in the US where sex is a crime. I plan to go to places where I will not be harassed by law enforcement, nor will my chicas. Everyone goes for different reasons, but to see humor in people that don't want to return to Sosua fails to get the point. I would go to 1000 other places first to spend my days of "vacation", it just doesn't stack up against hardly ANY beach resort town ANYWHERE.
If you are going to meet and spend time with women at night. There are literally 1000 other places better as well. You can meet all kinds of chicas in D. R. Discos far and wide that are not so hard core as the Sosua girls. The ones that are left are the one's EMBEDDED in the Chulo / Drug / P4P culture.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-13-10, 00:08
The bottom line is some people just don't like Americans especially the young variety. The young guys have a different SOP (standard operating proceedure) than older guys that we don't fully understand, but when the older guys were young guys people thought they were different also. But I'm not buying that that different behaviour translates to violence.The violence you see is a lot of times in another form. For many years, these young girls were bonking 50+ year old ex-pats so their husbands and boyfriends had NOTHING TO FEAR. Recently (past 1 1/2 years) they've seen these nice looking darker skinned well groomed NBA star looking guys roll in with money and big hard dicks pleasuring their women. It's a different ball game for the Dominicanos now, they harbor lot's of jealousy of these similar looking guys that have everything they have to offer AND a VISA and MONEY.
THAT is what a LOT of the violence is about, but among Dominicanos.
MiamiHeatLuver
12-13-10, 01:05
I have fucked as many times as 11 in one day.Wow do you think that's enough? I bet you nuts were aching and look like raisins. LOL
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-13-10, 01:06
Wow do you think that's enough? I bet you nuts were aching and look like raisins. LOLI had a "new regular" that was making sure I couldn't do my "old regular" that kept stalking me. It was one of the best NFL Sunday's I've ever had! F*K, recover watching the games, F*K again, repeat.
143006
I have fucked as many times as 11 in one day. I can read at home in the US where sex is a crime. I plan to go to places where I will not be harassed by law enforcement, nor will my chicas. Everyone goes for different reasons, but to see humor in people that don't want to return to Sosua fails to get the point. I would go to 1000 other places first to spend my days of "vacation", it just doesn't stack up against hardly ANY beach resort town ANYWHERE.
If you are going to meet and spend time with women at night. There are literally 1000 other places better as well. You can meet all kinds of chicas in D. R. Discos far and wide that are not so hard core as the Sosua girls. The ones that are left are the one's EMBEDDED in the Chulo / Drug / P4P culture. Sex is a crime in USA, wow, you must live in a very religous state.
The "point" I saw was guys changing their vacation plans because of well I guess because they couldn't screw 11 times a day.
Is Sousa the best beach town I've been too? Of course not, Thailand, Colombia, Brazil, heck even Mexico beach towns has it beat, but cost of condo, food, and airfare, it comes out ahead, and like I said I don't plan my vacations around how many service girls are in the general area.
Sousa is a decent cheap jumping off point for DR's other cities.
And I also have my company lined up before I get there thru Dominicancupid. Com.
So don't really have to do the late night disco scene, which no longer interest me anyway.
So yes, you are correct there are better beaches then Sousa, but we all seek enjoyment in different ways.
So come April 2011 if the police will allow me to read on the beach in peace. I see no problems
Nowrath
Yes, visit. You can still find what you seek.Than you Oh Wise Professor! I appreciate it!
That sound like a good summary of what anyone can expect their vacation to be like in "New Sosua," LOL.
But seriously, either the people going there now (post Dec. 3rd) are having way too much fun and are keeping it a secret from the boards (us) , or people are there and having a crappy time and don't want to tell us how much their trip sucked (embarrassed) ; or it could be that no one is there and therefore no one can say what is actually going on.
If you notice, the "rock'and rolll'in good tyme" reports kinda trailed off after Dec. 3rd. Now it's anyone's guess as to what is going on there. Won't make any difference to me because I'm an older guy they called a sucker for taking up with a regular two years ago. Boy, were they wrong.
I'll be there January 6, and welcomed at the airport by a beautiful chica with a couple Presidentes at the airport bar who is so happy to see me and my ATM card, she literally is in heaven. She makes damn sure I want to go back time and time again.
It's not just the sex, although over the last two years, it has got really good. It's the fun we have together.
I'll be observing the mongering scene and will report back here.
(Trouble is, I can't tell you young guys much about Classicos etc, after midnight, because by that time I'm bedded down for the night with my dream girl.)
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-13-10, 21:38
(Trouble is, I can't tell you young guys much about Classicos etc, after midnight, because by that time I'm bedded down for the night with my dream girl.)I got in a similar situation, had a regular, NEVER WANTED TO BE ON PEDRO CLISANTE. Said she wasn't a "PUTA". We would always go eat and do our thing, and return to the room for tv and sex and sleeping together happily. Then, one day I told her I'd like to go out just one time dancing at Classico, her, me, and a couple friends and their dates.
When we walked to Classico, about 100 of her closest friends greeted her. She knew everyone (not like I didn't expect it) , but she was embarrassed and tried to tell me they ALL lived in Puerto Plata. She turned out to be one of the biggest PUTA's in Sosua, working New Garden from 2. 7, going home and returning to Classico at 1AM.
Enjoy your regular for what you have. I hope she's not the same one I had.
First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.
I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.
Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.
Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip.
I got in a similar situation, had a regular, NEVER WANTED TO BE ON PEDRO CLISANTE. Said she wasn't a "PUTA". We would always go eat and do our thing, and return to the room for tv and sex and sleeping together happily. Then, one day I told her I'd like to go out just one time dancing at Classico, her, me, and a couple friends and their dates.
When we walked to Classico, about 100 of her closest friends greeted her. She knew everyone (not like I didn't expect it) , but she was embarrassed and tried to tell me they ALL lived in Puerto Plata. She turned out to be one of the biggest PUTA's in Sosua, working New Garden from 2. 7, going home and returning to Classico at 1AM.
Enjoy your regular for what you have. I hope she's not the same one I had. This reminds me of the last time I was in Sosua. An expatriate was telling me he met the perfect girl. She did not play the field, he met her parents, and she had a job before she left it out of frustration with the owner. She spent her time studying and she was such a decent chica, he added, that he went to bed with her three times before having sex with her. He just forgot to add that when New Garden had a beauty pageant she happen to be in it (and was one of the regular chicas who hung around the pool and bar!).
Or there is the Blackbeards story of the guy who falls in love with the chica and sends her money so she can leave the business. He returns to Blackbeards, unannounced to the chica, and he finds her still working the place.
And then there is the chica who said that she loved me yet when I called, after I returned to the states, some guy answers (she said it was her brother! How could I think otherwise! [despite the fact that I was calling her in Costa Rica and her entire family, at the time, lived in Nicaragua!)
And there is the time I was at a club and a chica was dancing in front of me, facing away from me and towards my drunken friend. He proudly bragged how she claimed to love him (I guess he didn't notice her arm behind her as her hand was massaging my crotch!).
Then there was the chica who said that she only loved me and asked me to send her money when I returned to the states. I replied in the negative so she boasted about all the other guys who are sending her money (wait a minute, just one minute-I thought I was the only guy she loved!).
Then there was the chica who said she was a nonpro and does not do this regularly. She sucked my noodle, (left no teeth marks) liked my egg foo young, enjoyed drinking soy, and as Confucius would say "my bamboo shoot hath penetrated her three holes of ecstasy."
While some have been fortunate in finding the right chica all I could find were non pros who like to eat Chinese food (not a bad find if you ask me!)
DR Monger II
12-14-10, 12:33
Needhobby, I think everyone here would say that you are overpaying and ruining it for us. I think most of the people here don't tip :P
Marc Anthony
12-14-10, 12:37
First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.
I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.
Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.
Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip. If you had a good time and it worked out well, it was fine. You could certainly have a similar experience with two cute chicas for a fraction of the price, but perhaps not taking one out of Passions which has fixed prices.
You don't really have to pay any more than 1500 to 2000 pesos (each). The next day is when you pay them. I wouldn't give a chica anything until she leaves, it's asking for problems. When she leaves if you give her a few hundred pesos extra for a motoconcho and breakfast that's a tip. $300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous).
If you had a good time and it worked out well, it was fine. You could certainly have a similar experience with two cute chicas for a fraction of the price, but perhaps not taking one out of Passions which has fixed prices.
You don't really have to pay any more than 1500 to 2000 pesos (each). The next day is when you pay them. I wouldn't give a chica anything until she leaves, it's asking for problems. When she leaves if you give her a few hundred pesos extra for a motoconcho and breakfast that's a tip. $300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous). Yeah, I realize that Passion has higher prices, but I had a good time with Salima and it was nice to be able to talk to her (most of the other girls I met spoke very little English).
Thanks for the pricing guidelines for the other girls, I'll keep this in mind for the next trip.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-14-10, 16:44
$300 US for 2 for the night may seem like a bargain by US standards but you really don't have to spend that much. And paying too much will tend to make the chicas think of you as foolish and weak (rather than generous).100% correct. It is simply TOO MUCH regardless of how much fun and what a great time he had. I usually say to each his own, but in my experience the first girl is a "normal rate", and since the "workload" is split between two, they will ALWAYS negotiate for about 1/2 the going rate for the second, and split the total. For example, let's say he wanted to OVERPAY the first one $100 for the night, that would be $50 for the second girl, or $75US each. Now that would have been a little more reasonable.
Ipanema Carioca
12-14-10, 18:26
100% correct. It is simply TOO MUCH regardless of how much fun and what a great time he had. I usually say to each his own, but in my experience the first girl is a "normal rate", and since the "workload" is split between two, they will ALWAYS negotiate for about 1/2 the going rate for the second, and split the total. For example, let's say he wanted to OVERPAY the first one $100 for the night, that would be $50 for the second girl, or $75US each. Now that would have been a little more reasonable.Some people have no negotiations skills, and it's easier for them to just pay. It could be sex or buying a car, the seller will win. These mongers will cause the prices to rise in the new Sosua.
Yeah, I realize that Passion has higher prices, but I had a good time with Salima and it was nice to be able to talk to her (most of the other girls I met spoke very little English).
Thanks for the pricing guidelines for the other girls, I'll keep this in mind for the next trip. You don't really need to tip a chica. As a negotiation tactic you can say "Quizas darte un propina" (maybe I will give you a tip). Some guys tip for extras like photos or anal sex. I always tip in a restaurant, if you want to tip a Sosua chica. 100-200 pesos is sufficient. Some chicas will hit you up for motoconcho fare. Some chicas will have a sour puss on their face no matter how much money you give them, don't take it personal, it is part of their game to extract as much money as possible.
You had fun, you can't take the money with you when you are gone. You were Papa Noel before Christmas.
......I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying,......Thanks for taking the time to write a report. Don't worry if you paid too much. If you had a good time that is what matters. As you travel more you learn the going rate and start to pay less.
Forget the foolish remarks about you are going to drive the prices up. Those type of remarks need not be posted. Some guys forget when they were newbies and also over paid.
Thanks again for your report. Reports are more helpful than any sarcastic post.
Any pics to share?
First of all, thanks to everyone for the solid advice here. Stayed at New Garden this past weekend for my first Sosua trip and met up with some veterans who told me there used to be a lot more girls available on the street and in the pool area. I don't have a comparison point, but there are still a lot of women at Classicos and other nearby bars, so definitely no shortage of available ladies.
I'm probably going to catch some flak here for overpaying, but I went to Passion and hit it off with a girl (Salima) there who spoke English very well. Got there at 5PM, so decided to take her out at 6PM for 5000 pesos (I know this is relatively high, but it's still cheaper than local 1 hour options in NYC). Went back to the hotel for round one, she's a lot of fun and had a good time. Took her to dinner, then wound up back at Passion since it was too early for the bars on PC. She was chatting with one of her friends who was cute, so asked her if she would be interested in a threesome; she was into this, so I paid 3500 pesos to take her friend out for the night.
Went to some of bars at PC and even went to Classicos for danching and drinks (interesting place, never been to a place where random women grab my cock on the way to the men's room). Generally had a good time, but I can't speak Spanish and her friend didn't speak much English so we didn't make much of a connection. Finally went back to the hotel for the main event, the girls were reasonably into each other and watching two girls give you a blow job is a beautiful sight.
Anyway, the next morning I gave her friend 600 pesos and Salima 1200. So is this an appropriate amount, or too much? Just looking to get a better idea for a return trip.
Rockys website with photos: http://www.rockysbar.com/home.htm
Room rate: $25 US / night, Clean modest accommodations, Daily Maid Service, Color television, Cablevision, Security box (safe) .24 hour electricity, Wifi, Room service available
Thanks for taking the time to write a report. Don't worry if you paid too much. If you had a good time that is what matters. As you travel more you learn the going rate and start to pay less.
Forget the foolish remarks about you are going to drive the prices up. Those type of remarks need not be posted. Some guys forget when they were newbies and also over paid.
Thanks again for your report. Reports are more helpful than any sarcastic post.
Any pics to share? Sorry, got caught up in the moment and didn't think about the camera. New to this scene, thanks for the tips for future visits.
I thought the price from Passion might be a bit high, but I wasn't very impressed with too many of the girls at Classicos or other bars. A lot of them were either a bit too aggressive, didn't speak much English, or were somewhat skanky. Salima came across as a nice girl, I was able to have a conversation with her in English, she didn't push for dinner or drinks, and the sex was great so I was okay with paying a bit of a premium for her company.
What's funny is that some of the guys at New Garden had scheduled girls from Santo Dominico or other areas to visit them at NG via dominicancupid, and these girls looked down at the Classico girls as "putas". Not sure how they were really different, although I didn't mention this out loud.
SavePros321
12-15-10, 03:43
What's funny is that some of the guys at New Garden had scheduled girls from Santo Dominico or other areas to visit them at NG via dominicancupid, and these girls looked down at the Classico girls as "putas". Not sure how they were really different, although I didn't mention this out loud.For a newbie you catch on very quickly! Your instincts are correct, LOL. It's all part of the "I'm not like those other girls" routine. But trust me, they would not be coming all the way from Santo Domingo to New Garden (irony) if they were not going to benefit monetarily from the trip.
Thanks for taking the time to update us on the "happenings" in Sosua!
Rockys website with photos:
http://www.rockysbar.com/home.htm
Room rate: $25 US / night, Clean modest accommodations, Daily Maid Service, Color television, Cablevision, Security box (safe).24 hour electricity, Wifi, Room service availableIs Milka available as an added extra.
Random comments anoche: 1. Four Politur in front of Bar Central arrest 4 chicas and 2 travesties! Merengue Bar lightly attended and no chicas. Classicos at midnight about 1/2 full. 1 doable chica = no shit! 2. Bar Central was 2/3's full, few chicas. 3. Latino's full of fuglies. 4. Rumba and el Flow lightly attended. 5. Bermuda = all Germans.. I AM SAD TO REPORT THAT THE POLICE AND POLITICOS ARE WINNING!
Is Milka available as an added extra.I would say no, she might be the significant other of a foreign guy at Rockys. She has been working at Rockys for a while.
SavePros321
12-16-10, 00:36
Random comments anoche: 1. Four Politur in front of Bar Central arrest 4 chicas and 2 travesties! Merengue Bar lightly attended and no chicas. Classicos at midnight about 1/2 full. 1 doable chica = no shit! 2. Bar Central was 2/3's full, few chicas. 3. Latino's full of fuglies. 4. Rumba and el Flow lightly attended. 5. Bermuda = all Germans.. I AM SAD TO REPORT THAT THE POLICE AND POLITICOS ARE WINNING!Is it possible that the bars were "lightly attended" because yesterday was Tuesday? Even before the crackdown I would show up on a Tuesday and the place was dead. Things didn't really start to pick up until Thurs. - Sat.
I was in Sosua from Dec 4th thru 7th. Unfortunately was staying at Casa Marina with my wife, but I did get to go to Passions on the night of the 6th around 10PM. Sessioned onsite with Perla, had a great time with her. Pretty nice body. After that went with a small chica, pretty nice looking, think her name was Rhianna? Had a good time and the rooms were nice enough.
Left Passions and went to Classico's. It was packed with chicas. Left with two nice looking ones, paid 2500 pesos for about 1. 5 hrs of fun. Had a great time. Went back to Merengue Bar, Classico's was closing. Caught the eye of another good looking chica as she was walking out. She asked for 1500 pesos, I told her it was getting late, she settled on 1000. Had a great time with her too. Got back to Casa Marina at 5:15 AM. Slipped in the room and went to sleep a happy man.
By the way, I speak fluent spanish, grew up in Venezuela in the 60's.
Flaroamer
Uktraveler
12-16-10, 04:10
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the content of the report was largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!
SavePros321
12-16-10, 04:22
"is it possible" that you have a vested interest in Sousa? Pick any night you please, Sousa is dead and finished. End of story!Dude, I'm sorry you had a fucked up time in Sosua, LOL. But if you visit other forums people are saying the exact opposite. Try D R 1 for starters (Thanks Bq Ribs for that tip!).
Uktraveler
12-16-10, 04:32
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.
Please be advised that Forum Members who succeed in having three or more of their reports deleted for personal attacks, racial epithets or other derogatory comments, will be banned under the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy.
Uktraveler
12-16-10, 04:46
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it appeared to be a threat made towards other Forum members. Threatening other members in any way, either veiled or directly, is strictly prohibited and will result the the perpetrator being banned from the forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information.
SavePros321
12-16-10, 05:23
LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.
So you are at the Europa...when you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.
But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.
Merry Christmas from these two. Prick.
LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.
So you are at the Europa. When you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.
But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.
Merry Christmas from these two. Prick. Me likes them chicas. Hey Uktraveler, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) SavePros321 off some more so he can post some more of these lovely lady pics.
FYI Uktraveler DR1 is probably the most informative message board for general DR information. Although DR1 may not be able to tell you which chica swallows it can guide you around the island with a ton of info. DR1 has several posters who live in the Sosua area on a daily basis for years. Who else can give you first hand info? Surely not a guy who makes one or two trips a year.
............I'm at the Europa..............Fyi, the few Haitian girls that are avail on the strip are far from "hot"...Hotel Europa? No wonder you can't find no decent pussy. No one stays at Hotel Europa. Did you do any reading in this forum before going to Sosua?
SavePros321
12-16-10, 05:53
Me likes them chicas. Hey Uktraveler, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) SavePros321 off some more so he can post some more of these lovely lady pics.
FYI Uktraveler DR1 is probably the most informative message board for general DR information. Although DR1 may not be able to tell you which chica swallows it can guide you around the island with a ton of info. DR1 has several posters who live in the Sosua area on a daily basis for years. Who else can give you first hand info? Surely not a guy who makes one or two trips a year. I've actually done 3 trips this year. I was going to do a fourth one, but according to UK Traveler:
...Sousa is dead and finished. End of story!So I decided to save my money until it comes back to life, LOL!
P. S. It is quite possible that he is the only one in ALL of DR right now not getting ANY action. Which is probably why he wants to beat me up (no pun intended).
FELIZ NAVIDAD OTRA VEZ!
Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.
On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.
As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).
I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.
In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.
I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.
Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:
But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.
Shame!
I see new hotels (Terra Linda, and the place just up and across the street) being built. New updcale condos (Infinity Blu, etc) Even new upscale bars (Rhumba). Major renovations (Casa Marina).
Seems to me that a small town with a great beach and local color (10 minutes from the airport) could turn into a desrable alternative as a vacation spot to big city Puerto Plata, which is so spread out, with it's traffic, and relatively isolated resort compounds.
I can see a cute theme styled little town, like in California or the ski resorts, with pedestrian malls, high end boutiques and shops and yet retaining real Dominican culture, local music food and drink, festivals, carnivals etc.
I see serious investment money to be made, but first:
They have to get rid of guys like me who just want to drink, smoke, and f*k the whole week, and the hordes of Dominican and Haitiuan street putas who serve their needs.
Maybe I can put a little perspective on this debate.
On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene. Chicas everywhere, elbow to elbow and all smiling at me, not too aggressive. Music everywhere, bars open to the street, ash trays on every table and in every hotel and restaurant, no apparent police presence, no pimping as far as I could see.
As I said at the time, I was in heaven. I didn't know who to choose first, so many beautiful chicas and so little time (1 week).
I was king so it easy to pick a smart part timer from out of town, for fun and conversation and when she went home, the first couple nights, I nailed a beauty that used to just sit close by waiting for my new novia to go home. It was so easy and my hotel (Casa Valeria) was literally accross the street.
In 8 trips since to meet my novia, including a trip with my buddy, I have seen a steady decline in the number and quality of girls available, and also their attitude. What seemed like a fun way to make money to them has turned more to a kind of desparation. Less fun and more work for sure.
I still go to Sosua every chance I get (Jan 6 next) , but I could NEVER replicate those first few nights in heaven, and I was not able to show my buddy, the same great experience I had, and I know I could never chance on a relationship like the one I was lucky enough to get my first time out.
Now I have local family and friends down there, and we have a ball:
But, I'm not sure Sosua now, would be recommendation, for a first time monger.
Shame! I think this reflects most people's experience. Note, if you will, that nearly all the single guys who retire and go to live in the DR soon end getting nailed by a novia, with occasional infidelities on the side when the occasion presents.
They don't continue for long getting a different girl or two for sex every day, because once you have all the sex you want with a beautiful woman, you start to lose a bit of interest in skirt chasing and become more interested in relationships.
A lot of guys, when they first go to the DR, have pretty much given up on relationships, but have realized that they have enough money to have sex with hot young women ad lib. However, when they get to the DR they find that relationships are still a possibility and that they are in fact very much in demand.
Once they are novia-ated it is as if they have UNDER CONTRACT signs posted on their heads, and therefore other potential novias tend to steer clear.
Even on a trip to Sosua, the first day tends to be the most exciting, and then each successive day a bit less thrilling until you reach the point that you are ready to go home.
I don't think the chica population changes much over the weeks, months, or even years. It is more that your perspective and perceptions change over time and experience. I think also that as your Spanish improves and you spend more time in the company of chicas you get a much better idea of what is going on in their little heads, so you idealize them less.
Anway, it is all good clean fun and provides rejuvenation therapy for men that is cheaper than plastic surgery.
That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).
Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.
..........it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days")...........
............Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place.So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.
That's an interesting observation Frannie. In my travels, it seems a common theme among the mongers that the scene in whichever particular place was much better before ("the good old days"). I've observed this in Brasil, Thailand, Colombia, the DR, Cuba, Argentina, etc. In fact, I'm guilty of saying this myself about Rio. When I started going in 2000, it seemed so much better (it is a fact that it was much cheaper).
Each successive trip a monger makes to a destination, the thrill recedes just a bit. I've come to realize that it's as much a change in the monger himself as it is a change in the place. Good post Combo. Most things new are usually exciting, its that thrill of the unknown and its fresh. After repeated visits everything in Sosua usually repeats itself. We tend to get bored and judge mental. After several trips consecutively to the DR my family asked"why don't you try some place new" I thought they were crazy. Well after Medellin now I'm going to Bogata and Carucao because its that new adventure I crave.
Thats why this "Sosua crackdown" has no affect on me. Colombia is wide open to be discovered and the DR is also when you realise there is more than just Sosua. You are correct that the mongerers attitude changes.
As far as guys getting wifed up and wanting a realtionship as Frannie says, its only temporary (Hes married to a Dominicana but fucks his co-workers). There is way to much pussy in the DR for this faithfullness to last. Especially in a culture that accepts the fact that its okay for a guy to sneak to a cabana with a young cutie. The relationship is the front but we never fully give up mongering (its addictive and non commital). Sure some guys crave that ultimate one on one relationship, but after traveling and fucking how do you hang up your drawers and retire with just one? Are you being honest with yourself? Or are you just caught up in the moment? I will never get married because I'm honest with myself. (1) I like new pussy (2) I will never trust a girl that much (3) she leaves with half (4) my kids are my only heirs, not new pussy (5) I like solo travel.
So true, that is why Sosua today will be just as exciting to a newbie as it was to a Sosua newbie ten years ago.Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.
Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.
After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.
Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.
What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.
Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun.
Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".
........On my first trip to Sosua (and my first mongering trip ever) two years ago, I was blown away with the scene........You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.
I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.
A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had.
Not too sure I agree 100% with that Bq.
Frannie makes some good points about becoming jaded over time, and while that is the human condition, I tried to stay objective.
After my first few trips I had no hesitation in telling my buddies it was a guaranteed good mongering time. Now I can't say that because of the changes in Sosua, not me.
Don't get me wrong, the action is still there, and I enjoy it, but the freeedom for everybody to do what they want, when and where they want is gradually being taken away.
What with trying to put curtains and windows on the open air bars, and getting the bar be que chicken stands off the streets, it will be soon more like Amsterdam.
Browsing the bars from the street (and vice versa) was half the fun.
I agree, Sosua is changing. I have been going there for about 6 years and just go back last week. I still had a great time and there were plenty of chicas to be had. My favorite place right now is Cartagena, its more money but I prefer the late night partying. Start about midnight and roll in at 6am. But I still visit Sosua / PP at least once a year. Always have a blast.
Oakie my first trip to Sosua was 2005. Before you made your first trip to Sosua as far as I was concerned Sosua was finished and was not like it was "back in the day".
You arrive in 2008 as fresh Sosua meat and see the town entirely different, you are a newbie. My first trip to Boca Chica was after the glory days as reported by the vets. Being a BC newbie I still found BC a nice alternative.
I still say once the dust settles Sosua will continue to be an exciting place for newbies. I have long outgrown Sosua and find Santo Domingo to be my cup of tea. But I also know Santo Domingo would not fit the bill for the party, party, party minded traveler.
A new person to Sosua can't miss what they never had.
Marc Anthony
12-17-10, 02:55
"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.
The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."
MiamiHeatLuver
12-17-10, 03:05
"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.
The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."Nice honest plain and simple "on the front line report" I knew it would be blown out of proportion. I mean how do you get rid of 10k putas just like that? I don't care where you are, where's there's an abundance of male tourists, there will always be pay for play. Thanks for this.
"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.
The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."So, I think we can agree that Sosua is changing, and it's not just my jaded perception after all.
Damn if I wanted to stay up all night and frequent noisy clubs, I could stay home in my own city. I don't want to work at it on my vacation. I don't see well in the dark anyway, and lord knows what kind of body hides under that disco gear.
I just want to sit in the corner bar in the late afternoon and select my dream girl from the literally hundreds who parade a few feet from me. I can see how they walk, how they dress, what their bodies are like, pick my dream, and be back in the same bar in an hour waiting for my novia. I'll be in bed by 10 and wake up with no hangover and a beautiful chica waking me up with coffee. That's healthy.
I'm just lazy, I guess, but what's a vacation for anyway?
When I get home, I don't need a few days off work to get over my trip. I'm ready to go, and looking at the calendar again.
At least, that's how it used to be.
"We all know it 'things are not as bad as they seem'. For Sosúa this popular wisdom has even greater significance, since the measures the government takes, our experience tells us again and again, that these measures are maintained only temporarily. As of Friday 3 December local women were only allowed when accompanied in the main road Pedro Clisante of Sosúa were the nightlife is. Also all bars should be closed from road side view. Meanwhile, most bars installed (including the Central Bar and the Bermuda Bar) , a new balustrade. The Latino Bar of the Vice-Mayor Willy 'El Chamo' is now sealed with dark glass panels from the street. We spoke with the owner of the Merenguebar and he announced that the Merenguebar will also be closed from road side view. The flower boxes in front of its balustrade, have already been taken away. No obstacles allowed on the sidewalks.
The Tourist Police (Politur) now acts strictly, particularly against local women walking around alone. But after midnight this rule is handled a little more relaxed and then we can again see a lot of cheerful ladies in Merengueclub, the Latino's Bar and disco the 'Classico. It's almost like before and the bars and discos are full of dancing and swinging tourists and their friends and girlfriends as if there are no new measures. Especially after midnight we see a relaxation of the rules. The nightlife in the Pedro Clisante is almost the same again. We say almost, because there is no nuisance anymore from the orphans and the poor Haitian ladies who have fled their country. For many visitors of the nightlife it is a significant improvement, because some women were rather (often) intrusive. Now it is a little better organized at the Pedro Clisante and the nightlife is now almost (?) the same as it used to be, so things are not as bad as they seem to be."But, I am happy to report that Thursday was the best night on PC since the bottom was reached, after Dec. 3!
So the cheap days are over in the North Coast. Well its good and bad, the place needed a clean-up to be frank and that includes the workers and to some degree the clients. As always money wins in every way. The DR's tourist bureau and politico / investors wanted more foreign money and that money is not from $30 hotels and $2 tacos; its from All inclusive 5- 7 day vacations that go for $2-3K for a family of four, so the math works to promote that tourism, it has turned Punta Cana and for that matter Cancun into world class destinations, when 30 years ago they were small fishing towns.
So the choices are my friends to "lurk' in the dark and wait till midnite to get any action or put up some cash and pay places like DRnights, Oxygen Retreat and so-on for ease and stress free vacationing. I don't see any other options unless your willing to explore the small towns of the DR and hunt, but with hunting that would require a lot of time spent and perhaps time wasted.
Just my two cents.
LOL, wow, I haven't seen an e-thug in a minute! Keyboard bully. Nice! I would be pretty pissed to if I hadn't gotten laid my entire vacation, so I don't blame you.
So you are at the Europa. When you could have easily gone to Blackbeard's in PP at worse. Instead of begging me to come and "show you what the fuck is up" you could have invested time instead on Dominican Cupid or Badoo.
But I'm not one to tell anyone how to spend there "holiday." Enjoy your 12hr + flight back to the UK. No one will miss you.
Merry Christmas from these two. Prick. SavePros, I just looked at your chica selection and pics you posted, pretty impressive man. Now do you speakie / habla at all or you just naturally good at what you do? Would you be willing to share some numbers?
Marc Anthony
12-18-10, 16:25
The Voice of the People feels threatened.
Edgar Thomas Pelegrin, producer of the popular television program 'La Voz del Pueblo' (the voice of the people) that can be seen in the Sosúa area each day between 9 and 11 pm on TV channel 3, feels intimidated by the captain of the tourist police. Edgar has criticized in his program 'the voice of the people' the way the tourist police (Politur) acted against the prostitutes. He let some girls tell their story about the aggressive way they were treated by the tourist police. The girls stated in the program that they were arrested without any proof of prostitution and were detained in a police cell. These arrests are against the universal human rights. Edgar told a reporter of the weekly magazine 'El Faro' that he feels intimidated by the captain of the tourist police for being warned that he can be detained also. According to the voice of the people he has, under Article 49 of the Constitution, the right to express his ideas, thoughts and opinions to the public without prior censorship.
Edgar also said that he respects the national police, tourist police and public offices, but that the constitutions and civil rights apply to all citizens of the Republic."
Source: El Faro (from sosuanews. Com)
SavePros321
12-18-10, 19:46
SavePros, I just looked at your chica selection and pics you posted, pretty impressive man. Now do you speakie / habla at all or you just naturally good at what you do? Would you be willing to share some numbers?Haha, that is the highest honor that can be bestowed on a monger, LOL! .
In October my Spanish was 10x better than in May; in May my Spanish was 5x better than in March. But to be honest most of those girls in my photos spoke passable English, so that helped a lot.
Sadly, if you read my October report you will see that I was on that "one chica" trip (yeah, I was trippin, LOL). My SIM card had expired between May and Oct, so I went to get a new one. When the chica in the store smiled as she threw away the old SIM Card, it did not cross my mind to stop her so that I could pull all of the numbers I spent almost a year and a half collecting. Since I wasnt going to call any of them anyway I didn't think much of it. But once my trip was over and I decided that being with only one chica the entire trip (especially in Sosua) was absolute madness (and for me, out of character) I was pretty pissed that I now only have ONE phone number in my Alcatel and it is not for any of the girls in the photos.
Interestingly, I've been getting a lot of Santiago without physically going to Santiago, LOL. All of the hot ones seem to originate from there (the blanca chica with the roja top and the chica with the black top in the photos are from Santi. As well as the chica on the bed with the blue panties and long black hair down her back a few posts back).
P.S. What I am doing is pale in comparison to what Jaosousa's got going on. Trust me ;)
Mr Enternational
12-19-10, 02:11
Even on a trip to Sosua, the first day tends to be the most exciting, and then each successive day a bit less thrilling until you reach the point that you are ready to go home.
I don't think the chica population changes much over the weeks, months, or even years. It is more that your perspective and perceptions change over time and experience. I think also that as your Spanish improves and you spend more time in the company of chicas you get a much better idea of what is going on in their little heads, so you idealize them less. As usual you hit the nail right on the head. As Sade said,"It's never as good as the first time."
MiamiHeatLuver
12-19-10, 02:15
As usual you hit the nail right on the head. As Sade said,"It's never as good as the first time."Thats why you have to go with a TON of friends to do shit together or you will never last a week, never the less 5 days by yourself. We rent scooters and ride to cabarete and pop on a regular to mix it up. So far no casualties. Have you seen some of the drop off revines and pot holes on the main road? I can easily see death over your shoulder making these rides.
Thats why you have to go with a TON of friends to do shit together or you will never last a week, never the less 5 days by yourself. We rent scooters and ride to cabarete and pop on a regular to mix it up. So far no casualties. Have you seen some of the drop off revines and pot holes on the main road? I can easily see death over your shoulder making these rides.What about the endless cliffs driving the back road from Santiago to Sosua (25). I was behind this Dominican dude my first time driving it. This dude was rolling, dodging holes, cows, chickens and kids. My pride always makes me "fall in" versus being smoked. Some of the cliffs had no bottom in site. A few days later when I had time to refect" I said what the fuck was I doing".
My buddy stayed at New Garden last week and he said the guys were hanging at the hotel telling war stories during the day. He said it was like hanging at the boys club. In the past everybody was on a top secret mission to hunt pussy. It was a competition. But last week guys had their laptops and cameras hanging out by the pool, talking about the past. He said when he hit the strip at night it seemed like a frat party, because everybody was cool. In the past everybody had their guard up and game face on. So maybe the one good point we missed with all these theorys is that the mongerers will become friendlier with one another.
Uktraveler
12-19-10, 08:30
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it appeared to be a threat made towards other Forum members. Threatening other members in any way, either veiled or directly, is strictly prohibited and will result the the perpetrator being banned from the forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines for further information.
Uktraveler
12-19-10, 08:37
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.
Please be advised that Forum Members who succeed in having three or more of their reports deleted for personal attacks, racial epithets or other derogatory comments, will be banned under the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy.
Uktraveler
12-19-10, 08:48
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the content of the report was largely argumentative. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!
I don't read that other site because there are always posts about robberies and / or murders, too depressing for me. That said, there are some very knowledgeable posters on that other site.
Prostitution is the oldest profession and is illegal here in New York, yet prostitutes are readily available here in New York. The prostitution business will never die in Sosua and from reading recent posts here on the ISG, seems Classicos at night has pros. Also Passions Massage and CMP are open for business in Sosua. Daytime meetings can be arranged through text messaging.
When you say Sosua is dead, I am not sure what you are referring to. Maybe you enjoyed the fat ugly chicas grabbing your crotch as you walked down the street or the pickpockets in Sosua or certain Motoconcho drivers who would yell and scream offering to sell drugs or the obnoxious drivers who would drive the wrong way on a one lane street and then want to fight you because they refused to back up. Maybe that Sosua has died, which to me would be good riddance.
I personally would never set foot in Classicos or Merengue Bar due to my belief that the owner of Classicos and Merengue (a rude guy from Italy) had an American Military Veteran murdered in Sosua.
Bq Ribs is a friend of my mine and I am sure the number of trips he has made to DR is higher than your IQ.
Whatever you say UK. I am not an expat so does that make me a homer? What is a homer? Is that like the guy on the Simpson show?
UK you have nothing of value to offer this forum so why not take your shyte somewhere else?
Sosua is far from dead. I just got back two weeks ago and had a blast. Its still a great time. Especially at night, which is when I like to play.
Charles Pooter
12-19-10, 18:09
Sosua is far from dead. I just got back two weeks ago and had a blast. Its still a great time. Especially at night, which is when I like to play.It's funny how reports widely vary since the crackdown started (from "totally spoilt" to "as good as ever"). But from this and other boards it seems that guys who know what they are doing are still having a great time there and are certainly not paying any more.
Sosúa has changed (permanently or temporarily remains to be seen). Guys who live here, and visitors who really know the scene and have many contacts, won't find it difficult to adapt as the putas and semi-putas haven't vanished into thin air. They still need to eat. Newbies won't know the difference and can still have a great mongering holiday at competitive prices. It seems to be the guys in between (the ones who come down once or twice a year and have set routines) who feel most inconvenienced.
Gents in the know.
I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.
All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.
I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.
LaVega 50 miles.
Santiago 37 miles
SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles
Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles
Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
Nowrath
Charles Pooter
12-19-10, 20:27
Gents in the know.
I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.
All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.
I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.
LaVega 50 miles.
Santiago 37 miles
SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles
Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles
Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
NowrathThis should help:
http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Dominican_Republic_Distance_Calculator.asp
You may have your own reason for needing the mileage but generally estimates in drive-time may be more helpful.
This should help:
http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Dominican_Republic_Distance_Calculator.asp
You may have your own reason for needing the mileage but generally estimates in drive-time may be more helpful. Yes I used the afore mentioned calculator and was interested in the "actual drive time"
The calculator gives you roughly the "as the crow flies" route, so if anyone has actually driven to any of these cities from Sosua, that info would be appreciated
Nowrath
ForceSteeler
12-19-10, 22:38
I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.
What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.
Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.
Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back.
It's funny how reports widely vary since the crackdown started (from "totally spoilt" to "as good as ever").
. Guys who live here, and visitors who really know the scene and have many contacts, won't find it difficult to adapt as the putas and semi-putas haven't vanished into thin air. They still need to eat. Newbies won't know the difference and can still have a great mongering holiday at competitive prices. It seems to be the guys in between (the ones who come down once or twice a year and have set routines) who feel most inconvenienced. I quite agree with you on this.
Speaking to a friend who lives in Sosua, he says he just hopes that more people will turn up (tourist or mongers) or else the high season this year will be worse than low season on any other year! The business casualties will be so severe that it will irreversible for quite some years. Of course new places have popped up but I think there will far more about to go under (you can forget about real-state prices going up, if that's what expats were hoping).
I generally do NOT agree that changes in Sosua (and other monger destinations) are due to our IMAGINATION and the fact that we have changed and it's due to our new attitude and being used to things and tired of it and so on. Well, some might have but you can't refute that mongering is getting just a little harder just about anywhere in the world. It's getting more expensive (way over normal inflation rates) , less choice and freedom, more control and via pimps / chulos and middlemen. More establishment where men and women could freely meet up being closed, or controlled (I wonder when Classico goes the way of Help in Rio). They are serious anti-mongering forces in the world who work tirelessly against it, because they can't stand what we do. And I bet it's not going to get any better. I travel a lot and I read a lot of forums of many countries world-wide from Latin America to Asia to Africa, and this is my general impression).
Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.
I can always pay for hores in the West, in MPs, from Escort agencies. But that is no fun what-so-ever comparing to what it WAS like in Sosua.
Enjoy your time wherever you end up going, do it while you can.
driving times will vary. one factor being the type of car your driver will be using and whether you give him permission to drive like a maniac. some roads are one lane for each direction of traffic. some of those roads have twists and turns. the local guys with bigger more powerful sport utility vehicles have the power and speed to pass slower moving vehicles more easily.
if your driver is using an older slower car and you tell him not to take unnecessary risks, then you might get stuck behind some slow moving vehicle traveling at 35 miles per hour, rather than having a open road in front of you where you go 50 mph or faster.
if you get thundershowers your trip will take longer. if there is a nasty accident on the road in front of you and the road gets closed for a period of time, your trip will take longer.
the road from sosua to puerto plata is for the most part, one lane each direction, fairly straight and fairly easy to pass slower moving vehicles. between sosua and puerto plata there is the entrance for a small mountain road that will take you into santiago, (bypass entering puerto plata) , that small road has many twists and turns.
from sosua to puerto plata, about 35-40 minutes (i have not done that drive in a while). late at night this road does not have much traffic (except for some motorcycles with no lights, some dogs and sometimes a horse) , so late at night there won't be many slow moving cars, buses or trucks in front of you.
from where you enter puerto plata, near the brugal factory, to the monument in santiago, i would say easily over one hour. sosua to santiago easily 90 minutes (i would factor more) , depending on the traffic in front of you and whether you get stuck behind slow moving vehicles.
santiago to la vega is a straight run on a 4 lane highway, about 30 minutes. la vega to boano is a straight run on the 4 lane highway, i forget the distance between la vega and bonao, but whatever the mileage is, you can roughly estimate one mile per minute (averaging 60 miles per hour) , off the top of my head, i would say 30-40 minutes la vega to bonao.
again if your driver has a porsche cayenne sport utility vehicle and you give him permission to drive like a complete maniac (as some dr drivers do) , then your driving times will be a lot faster.
gents in the know.
i got these distance between cities off the internet, and i'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.
all mileage was given with my starting place being sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.
i would be using a local driver, not driving myself.
lavega 50 miles.
santiago 37 miles
sanfrancisco de macores, duarte 48 miles
bonao monsenor nouel 71 miles
are these estimates even close to the actual miles?
thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
nowrath
Charles Pooter
12-19-10, 23:40
The calculator gives you roughly the "as the crow flies" route.
NowrathSorry, Nowrath, I didn't realise that. No much good for anything then, is it, except maybe for helicopter pilots.
Double the miles and convert to minutes. Santiago from sosua is 37 miles so figure 74 minutes drive time. I know it is a very crude method but about as close to drive time as you can get. There are so many variables to consider. Time of day, what day, do you have to drive thru a major city, etc. You can easily do 100-120 kph on the autopista, maybe 40 kph on the smaller roads, and 25 kph driving thru santo domingo or santiago.
Gents in the know.
I got these distance between cities off the internet, and I'm just wondering how accurate and approximate actual drive time involves in reaching these cities.
All mileage was given with my starting place being Sosua, would appreciate anyone who could supply me with their "guess" on how long it would take.
I would be using a local driver, not driving myself.
LaVega 50 miles.
Santiago 37 miles
SanFrancisco de Macores, Duarte 48 miles
Bonao Monsenor Nouel 71 miles
Are these estimates even close to the actual miles?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
Nowrath
Double the miles and convert to minutes. Santiago from sosua is 37 miles so figure 74 minutes drive time. I know it is a very crude method but about as close to drive time as you can get. There are so many variables to consider. Time of day, what day, do you have to drive thru a major city, etc. You can easily do 100-120 kph on the autopista, maybe 40 kph on the smaller roads, and 25 kph driving thru santo domingo or santiago.Ok that makes sense, I know the roads aren't the best, but it will be a hired driver and my departure times will always be early morning.
The cities will make for some good day trips and lunch meetings.
Thanks for the info.
Nowrath
Waz up guys,
I'm going to be in sosua for 5 days arriving tomorow. Like to know any tips on chica friendly hotel. Like to get some last min info on Sosua before I arrive tomorow. I will post my experience when I finish my trip.
Thanks again
SavePros321
12-20-10, 06:37
I quite agree with you on this.
Speaking to a friend who lives in Sosua, he says he just hopes that more people will turn up (tourist or mongers) or else the high season this year will be worse than low season on any other year! The business casualties will be so severe that it will irreversible for quite some years. Of course new places have popped up but I think there will far more about to go under (you can forget about real-state prices going up, if that's what expats were hoping).
I generally do NOT agree that changes in Sosua (and other monger destinations) are due to our IMAGINATION and the fact that we have changed and it's due to our new attitude and being used to things and tired of it and so on. Well, some might have but you can't refute that mongering is getting just a little harder just about anywhere in the world. It's getting more expensive (way over normal inflation rates) , less choice and freedom, more control and via pimps / chulos and middlemen. More establishment where men and women could freely meet up being closed, or controlled (I wonder when Classico goes the way of Help in Rio). They are serious anti-mongering forces in the world who work tirelessly against it, because they can't stand what we do. And I bet it's not going to get any better. I travel a lot and I read a lot of forums of many countries world-wide from Latin America to Asia to Africa, and this is my general impression).
Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.
I can always pay for hores in the West, in MPs, from Escort agencies. But that is no fun what-so-ever comparing to what it WAS like in Sosua.
Enjoy your time wherever you end up going, do it while you can. Excellent point made above. I hate to add to this buzz kill but this seems to be the minds behind the recent changes gents:
Lindsey, thanks for starting this thread with the news about the new City Market. I am really happy to read about the new investments / services and other improvements in Sosua and Cabarete, especially about that light. I always tried to go in and out of Playero during the "not busy" times because the light situation was terrible. Sounds to me like it's a big improvement.
And now I can't wait to come back and check out Monkey Jungle! I didn't even know the DR had monkeys (LOL).
I'm starting to miss it there.
Sosua and other coastal towns, have for years requested more investment and human resources from the many corrupt Dominican officials that have come and gone, whom mind you, have never invested enywhere else out side of Santo Domingo. The central government while always benefiting from the sumptuous tax foundations that are Sosua and other coastal towns have never given anything in return. These towns completely overlooked and tired of travelling down the many failed avenous in pursuit of a fair and equal distribution of the tax incentives, have had no other choice but to take matters in to their on hands. For years they've lobbyed to have the laws changed in order to take contral of their own future.
After the many years of power struggle between the central, and local governments an agreemant has been reached. In the past few years, the legislative body (congress) has made way to enact new laws to permit certain towns I. E. The coastal towns of this country to implement changes as the town people saw fit. As a result of these new laws, towns like Sosua are now freed from the passed ways of governing, (centralized goverment) hence, giving the alcaldias (mayors) more say and power as to how to spend the tax monies in these areas.
Many in the real estate and investment field like my self, have been waiting patiently, banking on a dynamic change in social politics. Finally these changes are in full effect, and because of them, I truely believe we are well on our way to a better and brighter tomorrow. These political changes eventually will open the flood gates and allow the productive engine that is the construction industry in this contry to look in the direction of these coastal towns for the first time in decades.
Investors like myself (architect by trade) with larg amount of empty / vacant land in Sosua, can now dream of a prosperous future in this less than touristy town. Also recently while finishing the blueprint, to an apartment and commercial building soon to begin construction in Sosua, owner of Jaques & Taveras Construction, friend of mine here in Santiago. Who also owns larg sums of land in Sosua, informs me, that due to the change in politics, he feels time has finally arrived to beggin investing in the area.
Surely we are not looking to turn any of these towns into some Disney park as stated in some other thread, this would be farthest from the truth, and purely impractical. From what I've seen, as far as ideas, and blueprints, what investors have in mind is a warmer more caribean feel, taste and look to these towns. Also what these real estate and investemt industries are looking for is to invest in the commercial and infrastructure fields of towns like Sosua, Cabarete and believe it or not, Boca Chica as well. I believe achieving only halt of the many changes investors have in mind will certainly invigorate tourism, the night life, and the economy of these towns in general.
I recognize these changes are in many ways an up hill battle, because ultamitely, as these coastal towns become more attractive and entertaining, more cash will eventually pour in to them, hence, attracting more of the same illegals that formed part of the ever present evil in Sosua today. I also understand the lines have been drawn long before this thread was created. Those of us who believe change can happen, and those against change.
We must recognize a few infiltrated individuals on this forum, who's sole interest is to meddle, attack, criticize and inevitably misimforme everyone of the hopeless future places like Sosua will be without sex-tourism. Don't get me wrong, these people gain absolutely nothing in applying this tactic other than the satisfaction of misimforming everybody on DR1 in the hopes of maintaining Sosua as is. However, these individuals whom love to revel in the murky and foul waters that is the sex-trade, won't sway the shifting tides nor halt the positive changes taking place in Sosua today and the days to come.
Before any of the benefits from the change in politics can take place, we have to keep fighting the many afflition devouring these coastal towns today. Also keep in mind that no matter how fast, or how long these changes take, this won't shift the thinking of the few (Benedict Arnald) on this forum. And whether they like it or not, the malignant evil and it's many tentacles that is corruption (sex-tourism) in these coastal towns, is a phase the Dominican tourism and real estate market must and will thoroughly tackle in order to open the way for a better and more prosperous tomorrow for both natives and expats.
Waz up guys,
I'm going to be in sosua for 5 days arriving tomorow. Like to know any tips on chica friendly hotel. Like to get some last min info on Sosua before I arrive tomorow. I will post my experience when I finish my trip.
Thanks againWe like to help others here, but waiting until the day before you go to get hotel reservations is not good. I see in your past posts you have been asking alot of questions that were answered. Also you asked questions about your Cali trip a couple months ago and said a report would follow, well I haven't seen a trip report from you yet in the Cali section. We would be gratefull if you would give back to the forum in the future, have a good trip.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-20-10, 17:01
I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.
What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.
Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.
Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back. Maybe the scope of your "Sosua Experience" is based on Classico, but if you will pay attention to what most of the veterans here are saying, it is this. After daybreak, and before 12 midnight, there has been a concerted effort by the current government administration, Policia Nationale, Politur, with the support of many local business men and women and some misguided religious conservatives (soley used for a base of support) to SHUT DOWN all P4P activities outside any business in Sosua.
The ATMOSPHERE that was Sosua (Pedro Clisante) with all the girls, the Dominicanas, Dominicanos, Gringos, Gringas. All of it that initiated at 4PM every day centered around El Flow, and the "fun" at the beach during the day. IS OVER. (because other than the chica scenery IMO there is really nothing else worth doing in Sosua)
Sure, if you can tolerate EVERY DAY ALL DAY with nothing to do but walk around and look at closed businesses and the lack of services because there is no longer demand and wait till midnight, then Sosua is fine. But. Don't tell me that NOTHING is different between the hours of 4PM and Midnight because I'm calling you flat out. A LIAR. Sosua is a MISERABLE PLACE TO BE before the midnight hour. I've spent 3 of the last 4 months there, but came home, re-assessed, and now plan to head to new horizons.
Member #4351
12-20-10, 17:33
SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.
Sosua may still have chicas and you might (with a bit more hassle) still get some action, but for me the atmosphere is being killed off. And that was the greatest fun and the most important thing for me. Going out, day or night, beach, street, bar, anywhere, and finding and enjoying my time with beautiful chicas. Specially those coming from other areas, they were more fun, less hardcore and even considered it a little working holiday. From what I'm told there are now very few of those due to police actions, we are left with hardcore, Sosua pros). And of course I can go village to village and city to city looking for them, but you can surely see the difference of meeting them all in one place.
I've lived in the Puerto Plata / Sosua area for four years. I used to go the the Sosua beach more during the day during the first couple of years and I found the action there pretty scarce. There would be maybe 4 to 6 pro girls there during most days and usually none of them particularly excited me. I understand that "back in the day", the beach during the day was the place to go, though.
Here's what I found last Friday night in Sosua. Giving a tour to a couple of young guys from New York.
We left Puerto Plata (Playa Dorado hotel) at about 9:00pm, and got to Sosua at 9:30 or so. The first stop was Passions. I would give most of the girls there a 7 or 8. They were all cute and doable. I personally like to get to know the girl a little better before deciding to see if there is some chemistry. Passion's format makes this hard to do. We didn't choose any chicas from there on the first visit.
Next we went to the bar area on Pedro Clisante. There were no p4p girls visible on the street or in any of the open air bars. There were plenty of Dominicans (men and women) partying and dance at the new Rumba bar across the street from Latino's.
But, lo and behold, there were quite a lot of good looking young p4p's hanging out INSIDE Latino's. When we selected girls to party with then take back to the Hotel Central for ST, the girls were very concerned about being escorted to the hotel, then back to Latino's from the hotel. Apparently girls who are unescorted by a guy get arrested. Quality and quantity inside Latinos were both excellent. There is a security guy at the door who must be keeping out the skanks that you used to see hanging out on the street.
After that, it was back to Passions. It was the same mix of girls. There was one chica there that had us all panting. A large statuesque chica with generous curves in all the right places, but no fat. Sirenita. This chica is a knockout. For whatever reason. I think everyone was chicaed-out at that point, no one stepped up to the plate. Next time.
Next we went back to Pedro Clisante. It was around 11:30pm. Latino's had cleared out and all of the action had moved over to the "Club 59" disco on the second floor above Merengue's. Again, quality and quantity was excellent. It was mostly skank-free and there were a lot of new girls I hadn't seen before. The disco was wall to wall girls, music, and booze.
I can't speak to the daytime action in Sosua, but the nighttime action is alive and well. It's just moved inside and off the street. I guess if you want girls during the day, you're going to have to meet them at night, get there phone numbers and call them, or just wake up with them.
The Man Tour Guy.
www.themantour.net
P. S. The village to village idea is a good one. Will require patience, however, because you will have newbie girls plus curious people to contend with. I recommend you take someone with you who knows the neighborhoods and can translate.
Uktraveler
12-20-10, 20:00
Maybe the scope of your "Sosua Experience" is based on Classico, but if you will pay attention to what most of the veterans here are saying, it is this. After daybreak, and before 12 midnight, there has been a concerted effort by the current government administration, Policia Nationale, Politur, with the support of many local business men and women and some misguided religious conservatives (soley used for a base of support) to SHUT DOWN all P4P activities outside any business in Sosua.
The ATMOSPHERE that was Sosua (Pedro Clisante) with all the girls, the Dominicanas, Dominicanos, Gringos, Gringas. All of it that initiated at 4PM every day centered around El Flow, and the "fun" at the beach during the day. IS OVER. (because other than the chica scenery IMO there is really nothing else worth doing in Sosua)
Sure, if you can tolerate EVERY DAY ALL DAY with nothing to do but walk around and look at closed businesses and the lack of services because there is no longer demand and wait till midnight, then Sosua is fine. But. Don't tell me that NOTHING is different between the hours of 4PM and Midnight because I'm calling you flat out. A LIAR. Sosua is a MISERABLE PLACE TO BE before the midnight hour. I've spent 3 of the last 4 months there, but came home, re-assessed, and now plan to head to new horizons. Finally, a real glimpse into present day Sousa. After one miserable month, I finally left on the 16th never to return again. My 'new Horizons' are actually old destinations in East Africa. Nothing beats Kenya and Uganda!
I'm in Sousa right now as of Dec 20th. It is far from dead, classicos was packed on Thursdays so many chicas. This is my 3rd trip to DR.
What I did notice is that the beggars, hustle man, are all gone. Which is a good thing because I hate having to walk down the street and being bothered. It looks like the police are trying to keep everything indoors.
Money still talks and there's plenty of chicas.
Will give you guys a full report on Tuesday when I get back. Most of the beggars and hustle men. There were still a few 'tigres' hanging out in the clubs and a couple of beggars on the street, but nothing like it was before. The "tigres" I refer to are Domincan males who speak fluent English and make their livings hussling in Sosua. I try to steer the guys I take on tours far away from them because they are mostly Dominicans who used to live in the USA but were deported on drug or gun violations. Some guys will still deal with them anyway, and nothing good ever comes of it. Beware of any high-fiving backslapper American / Dominican you meet in Sosua.
The Man Tour Guy
Manizales911
12-20-10, 20:49
I've lived in the Puerto Plata / Sosua area for four years. I used to go the the Sosua beach more during the day during the first couple of years and I found the action there pretty scarce. There would be maybe 4 to 6 pro girls there during most days and usually none of them particularly excited me. I understand that "back in the day", the beach during the day was the place to go, though.
Here's what I found last Friday night in Sosua. Giving a tour to a couple of young guys from New York.
We left Puerto Plata (Playa Dorado hotel) at about 9:00pm, and got to Sosua at 9:30 or so. The first stop was Passions. I would give most of the girls there a 7 or 8. They were all cute and doable. I personally like to get to know the girl a little better before deciding to see if there is some chemistry. Passion's format makes this hard to do. We didn't choose any chicas from there on the first visit.
Next we went to the bar area on Pedro Clisante. There were no p4p girls visible on the street or in any of the open air bars. There were plenty of Dominicans (men and women) partying and dance at the new Rumba bar across the street from Latino's.
But, lo and behold, there were quite a lot of good looking young p4p's hanging out INSIDE Latino's. When we selected girls to party with then take back to the Hotel Central for ST, the girls were very concerned about being escorted to the hotel, then back to Latino's from the hotel. Apparently girls who are unescorted by a guy get arrested. Quality and quantity inside Latinos were both excellent. There is a security guy at the door who must be keeping out the skanks that you used to see hanging out on the street.
After that, it was back to Passions. It was the same mix of girls. There was one chica there that had us all panting. A large statuesque chica with generous curves in all the right places, but no fat. Sirenita. This chica is a knockout. For whatever reason. I think everyone was chicaed-out at that point, no one stepped up to the plate. Next time.
Next we went back to Pedro Clisante. It was around 11:30pm. Latino's had cleared out and all of the action had moved over to the "Club 59" disco on the second floor above Merengue's. Again, quality and quantity was excellent. It was mostly skank-free and there were a lot of new girls I hadn't seen before. The disco was wall to wall girls, music, and booze.
I can't speak to the daytime action in Sosua, but the nighttime action is alive and well. It's just moved inside and off the street. I guess if you want girls during the day, you're going to have to meet them at night, get there phone numbers and call them, or just wake up with them.
The Man Tour Guy.
www.themantour.net
P. S. The village to village idea is a good one. Will require patience, however, because you will have newbie girls plus curious people to contend with. I recommend you take someone with you who knows the neighborhoods and can translate. I was in Sosua a couple weeks ago and I can concur with Man Tour Guy on his assessment of the action in Sosua. I am normally not a late night person so I had to adjust my partying and sleep hours to accommodate the lack of early action in Sosua nowadays, no big deal for me. Late at night all the bars were packed with plenty of chicas, me and my wingmen had plenty of girls to choose from.
We rented a villa so during the day we had the girls that we picked up from the night before hang out by the pool and cook for us, then at some point in the afternoon we would call our taxi guy and send them packing. A couple hour siesta, wake up and have a few (or more) drinks and get primed for the hunt. Wash, rinse and repeat. I can't wait to return in two weeks, life is good.
SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.There is still plenty of action!
6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.
SavePros321
12-21-10, 02:36
6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.
So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?
All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.
I thought they wanted us to return...?
What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.
So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Daytime girls must have dates or companions, traveling to work, or doing laundry or going to the store. I heard this was going down but I didn't think they would enforce it.
Manizales911
12-21-10, 03:47
What? Are you saying that they are going after chicas who have paid to use a motochoncho? This certainly does not mesh with the propaganda piece Sosua News put out on Dec. 15th.
So are you telling me that if I meet a chica in classicos one night and then call her to meet me for lunch the next day, she can be stopped while on a motochonco AND have all her money taken? Can you imagine how difficult it would be for a chica from the Internet to come and visit you DURING THE DAYTIME in Sosua if there is a possibility that she gets "intercepted" on the way over to your hotel AND gets jacked for her money?
All this is telling me is that the powers to be over there want us to lodge anywhere BUT Sosua. This is a direct contradiction to the Dec. 15th piece put out by Sosua News.
SP,
Maybe you'll have to spring for the cost of a taxi, the girl will appreciate not getting her hair messed up too.
I thought they wanted us to return?
Manizales911
12-21-10, 03:51
6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.Sidney,
I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money.
SavePros321, how depressing! Now the real estate vultures are gathering. They can certainly muster higher bribes for the powers that be. Well I'm glad I could experience Sosua before it was destroyed.Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.
The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.
Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan.
6pm-The Politur are now arresting the chicas and stealing their money. A Haitian GFE of mine, one of the best looking chicas in Sosua, was just stopped on a moto-concho, arrested, taken to jail, and stripped of all her considerable money. Her mother was forced to buy her way out of jail.Christmas is Saturday. What did you expect?
-Helpmann :confused:
Ok that makes sense, I know the roads aren't the best, but it will be a hired driver and my departure times will always be early morning.
The cities will make for some good day trips and lunch meetings.
Thanks for the info.
NowrathI did the drive from Santiago to Sosua and back. I took the mountain road to Sosua and it was in a really bad shape. It took me over 2 and a half hours. I also left a little late in the day and it got dark halfway which made it slower. But it was adventurous with good scenery both nature and the locals. Lot of chicas walking in the little towns, some really pretty. Some of the homes were really matchboxes and along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain.
On the way back from Santiago I took 25 and 1, roads were better and natural scenery was ok, some rare putas waving down trucks. It still took me 2 hrs and once I got to Santiago I lost my way and had to ask for directions to get back to Hotel Matum. One good fella at an Orange store showed me the way by driving his car and let me follow. Google maps are more or less approximate and only work for highways.
.....along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain..........I picked up a hitchhiker once and before I dropped her off in Santiago we stopped at a cabana. You never know what you will find on the roads in the DR.
Thanks for your reports and the pics you posted in the photo gallery. "Cover the face and hit the base", LOL, I never heard that one before but must admit I have had a few of them fuglies. Even fuglies need some lovin'.
Correct. I suspect that what is happening in Sosua is part of a larger and longer term plan that has worked perfectly in the USS many times.
The plan is to choke off the economic activity so that the local residents and businesses have to move / sell out / or become desperate. The ulitmate end "buyer" will be a large and connected developer or resort concern.
Remember, puta and mongers aside, Sosua is really prime real estate. The big boys have likely decided its time to move in. So long term, Sosua will likely decline as a monger spot. Somewhere, someone has the master development plan. After SavePros posted that long piece by the architect on DR1, I brought up Sosua on Google Earth to have a look. Several nice parcels of undeveloped real estate catch my eye; for instance, the 50-or-so acres northeast of Infiniti Blu, between the shore and Calle Dr. Alejo Martinez, or the couple-hundred acres that looks like it might be a cattle ranch with the "Playa Chiquita" label. That second one looks big enough for a golf course.
You've got plenty of room up there to build a whole new "Playa Dorada" complex, but there's this pesky issue with Sosua's reputation as "Sodom-On-The-Sea." None of your nice respectable blue-haired ladies are going to let their husbands anywhere near the downtown end of Pedro Clisante, as it is now!
Solution? Get a mayor who's ready to run the riff-raff (that's you and me, pals, and our chicas) out of town. Put the pressure on the chicas, because when they're gone the "eeee-villl mongers" will go too. Shut down the frat-party between El Fllow and Classico's; just make it disappear. The church ladies and the feminazis will certainly approve, as will the old fuglies who weren't able to get in on the lucrative action anyways. There will still be room for some Of the action, but put it behind closed doors and make sure the owners of these operations grease the appropriate palms and keep up their contributions to the Policemen's Benevolent Association.
Trumpet it loud and strong of how Sosua has been cleaned up and it's now a family-friendly destination. Bring in the bulldozers and start building condos, villas, golf courses, time-shares, whatever strikes the fancy of the market. Sell them to whoever's buying and leave them holding the bag.
Rapido! Seguro! Economico!
(By the by, where are they going to get the electric power for this new development? Where will they site the water and sewage treatment plants? Or am I just being too damn practical?)
I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":
The push is on to make Sosua a more upscale area, thus again pushing the people who have trouble making even a meager living, out of the area? I hear stuff like pushing the people out of Charamicos so a marina can be built.
Should these people actually own the property they currently live on, then they have nothing to worry about. Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this. However, if the goverment or a third party is after this land, then it could be that these people are not the actual owners, for all you know, they could be squatters.
Nevertheless, for not knowing the actual legal status of the people living in this area, I will refrain from commenting. That said, I too have heard varying comments of possible future projects in that area. "Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.
"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!
I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"
Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy - rent.
SavePros321
12-21-10, 17:01
I followed the thread on DR1 that I referenced in my previous message, and found another interesting point by the architect of the diatribe,"Taino808":
"Should these people actually own the property"? Uhhmmmm, yeah. That can be handled, I'm sure.
"Property laws in the DR are cristal clear about this." But I wouldn't be surprised if the mayor, or the alcalde, is "above the law" when it comes to property. A little matter called "eminent domain," combined with the principle of the "most efficient economic use" of the land, and you, too, can be a "squatter" on land your family has held for generations. Even land, or property, that you bought recently and to which you hold a supposedly "indisputable" title!
I'm sure it wouldn't take all that much "grease" to arrange for the title on some desirable land to get invalidated, or simply disappear from the books. Especially if the inhabitants were poor and unable to hire good-enough lawyers to fight it. Even more so, if the backers for an "inconvenienced" project were looking down the coast at Ocean World and telling the alcalde,"we can do this, too, right here!"
Too much doom and gloom. Let's enjoy Sosua, the best we can, while we can. Meanwhile, don't buy. Rent. "Don't buy. Rent." Maybe the "renters" are the smarter ones and the "developers" turn out the to be the ones getting snookered. Sidney posted this in the General Info forum, but I am posting it here because it is relevant to the discussion. You can find this info at the D R 1 forum under "Daily News" for Monday, Dec. 20, 2010:
DR less attractive for investments
Economist and coordinator of the Human Development Office for the United Nations, Miguel Ceara-Hatton pointed out in his participation in the year's end economic debate on TeleAntillas, Channel 2, said that the DR is less attractive for investors. He mentioned worsening of public services, unskilled labor force, institutional deterioration and violation of the rule of law as major factors affecting foreign investment. He said these problems worsened in 2010. Moreover, he criticized the government's priorities, and called unsustainable the rising public debt, as reported in Hoy. He said interest payments alone on the foreign debt are at 2% of GDP already. He acknowledged 2010 ended with exemplary macroeconomic stability, he mentioned the fiscal deficit, deteriorating trade balance with the US and the fact that none of the Millennium Objectives have been met. He said that the present economic model while producing wealth generates exclusion. He said there is no excuse for a country with 7% GDP growth has an unemployment rate of 14. He said that the present all-inclusive tourism resort model excludes the communities from benefits of the industry.
So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country...
Sidney,
I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. I understand your cautious comments, but you are not correct this time. I have been a full time monger for 8 years with 7000 posts. I'm not naive and stupid!
So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country...Lots of Dominicans are employed at All Inclusive Hotels, all the food for the AI is purchased from Dominican Merchants, for the guy in the other article to say the AI model doesn't benefit the local population to me is not true. I am certain that the local population in Haiti would love to have the jobs and the income generated by the all inclusive hotels.
I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.
Just about all people are greedy in this world. If I own a house or a condominium apartment, I will not get top dollar if when I go to sell the house or apartment, potential buyers see prostitutes standing on the sidewalk outside the house or apartment building.
Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?
Sidney,
I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. I have never seen any chica in DR with a lot of money in their purse (cartera) , unless the chica is coming from just servicing some client for 3 mil pesos or more and has that payment in her purse at the time the politur stop her. The stops and the arrests of the chicas has been ongoing for over a month, I am sure the chicas in Sosua know that the policia and / or the politur may take their money and I am sure that the chicas are wise enough not to be strolling around with large sums of cash. Unless of course the chica was on her way to the hospital with 20 mil pesos to pay the medical bill for her sick father.
"Don't buy. Rent." Maybe the "renters" are the smarter ones and the "developers" turn out the to be the ones getting snookered. Sidney posted this in the General Info forum, but I am posting it here because it is relevant to the discussion. You can find this info at the D R 1 forum under "Daily News" for Monday, Dec. 20, 2010:
So I guess it turns out that if they do plan for all-inclusives in Sosua it won't benefit Dominican natives. The owners of the AI's will just send all their earnings back to their home country. I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even.
http://www.listin.com.do/economia-and-negocios/2010/11/23/167632/Estudio-80-hoteles-todo-incluido-declaran-perdidas
ForceSteeler
12-21-10, 20:14
Well here's my Full Report. I Was in Sousa from Dec 16-20.
I Think this whole crackdown is blown out of proportion. This is my 3rd trip to DR this year.
I got there Thursday Morning and took the 8:30am flight from JFK and got there around 1:00pm Sousa Time. I stayed at New Gardens and was greeted by the Dominican Clerk at the front desk, and also met Wilfred the German Manager. The Atmosphere was pretty much the same. This time I must admit I You do not see any beggers and hustle men like I did before.
They still had chicas walking up and down, As long as they had I'd or was with a Gringo The Police will leave them alone. I Think there trying to push everything indoors and not in the open like that. You have to remember they are people that live in Sousa and they don't want to walk down the street and see Chica Puta Hoes with tight dresses walking up and down talking about Freaky Freaky and come fuck my pussy its not a good look.
Its a Buyer Market right now and we went to Classico's that night and It was stupid packed with chicas that Thursday, I'm talking over 200+ chicas. The Chicas are desperate and you can offer them 1000-1500 pesos and they will take it because if they don't someone will. The Open Bars were still packed.
I don't think this crackdown will change anything, At the end of the Day we are a Global Worldwide Recession.
And Dominican Republic is a poor country and people got to eat. Also even if you try to turn Sousa into a Tourist Spot that will take Years maybe even a decade before investors get a return on there money.
Sousa is a very boring place and there's nothing really to do, What would make a tourist choose Sousa over the rest of the Caribbean. I Think they will be a huge backlash.
Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?Most AI`s are indeed owned by foreign investors, bank cooperations, pension funds, insurance companies.
The only dominican I know who owned a hotel was Miguel Vargas (politican of the prd) who owned the hotel santo domingo in santo domingo.
Most AI`s are indeed owned by foreign investors, bank cooperations, pension funds, insurance companies.
The only dominican I know who owned a hotel was Miguel Vargas (politican of the prd) who owned the hotel santo domingo in santo domingo.I remember years ago, Hilton was partnered with Coral and they operated the Marian, Hamaca, Costa Caribe all inclusive hotels in DR. I was told that the Dominican government had passed some law regarding foreign corporations and partnerships with Dominican companies and as a result of that law, Hilton dissolved the partnership with Coral and thereafter Coral operated the hotels without Hilton.
Coral seems to have sold the Hamaca to Oasis and Oasis seems to have sold it to Be Live.
Iberostar, Melia, Dreams, Catalonia are some corporations that operate All Inclusive Hotels in DR. Many large corporations these days are multinational and some public corporations based in a particular country may have large stake shareholders that are based in another country.
Manizales911
12-21-10, 21:11
I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even.
http://www.listin.com.do/economia-and-negocios/2010/11/23/167632/Estudio-80-hoteles-todo-incluido-declaran-perdidasI agree, the AI's in Playa Dorada twenty minutes away are starving right now, almost half of them have shut down. Now is not a good time to be building hundred million dollar resorts anywhere in the DR let alone Sosua.
I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.I posted this a while back in the other thread, I got to stay at the AI hotels in PP for 3 days when my flight didn't make it to POP. I was shocked at the amount of empty rooms, a matter of fact it was not just empty rooms but empty buildings.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-21-10, 23:54
I have never seen any chica in DR with a lot of money in their purse (cartera).It happens, but shortly thereafter her chulo arrives to take it from her.
....I doubt they would put anymore AI hotels in Sosua. The AI hotels in Puerto Plata are not running at capacity.......
I very doubt that any AI`S will be built in Sosua or anywhere in the D. R. According to an article published in listin diario 2 week ago 80% of the AI`S which operate in D. R. Do not even manage to break even. [/url]
I posted this a while back in the other thread, I got to stay at the AI hotels in PP for 3 days when my flight didn't make it to POP. I was shocked at the amount of empty rooms, a matter of fact it was not just empty rooms but empty buildings.Agree, agree, agree. I also don't see any new AI hotels coming to Sosua. I think the powers to be want Sosua cleaned up of the crotch grabbing chicas during the day and hide the chicas behind doors at night. Just my two pesos but the Mayor wants Sosua returned to the local families, regular tourists, and the ex-pats with all the riff raff removed.
Those who remember Sosua five or more years ago when most of the hotels were not chica friendly and managed to survive. As the mongers increased the regular tourists decreased. I remember walking Pedro Clisante during the day and most people on the streets were tourists. Yes, regular tourists spend money too. They spend money in the little gift shops, restaurants, dive shops, Mels Tours, etc.
Trust me, the monger's dollar won't be missed.
I did the drive from Santiago to Sosua and back. I took the mountain road to Sosua and it was in a really bad shape. It took me over 2 and a half hours. I also left a little late in the day and it got dark halfway which made it slower. But it was adventurous with good scenery both nature and the locals. Lot of chicas walking in the little towns, some really pretty. Some of the homes were really matchboxes and along the way I spotted a few open air bars with working girls in them, did not stop as it was getting late but sure looked like a good bargain.
On the way back from Santiago I took 25 and 1, roads were better and natural scenery was ok, some rare putas waving down trucks. It still took me 2 hrs and once I got to Santiago I lost my way and had to ask for directions to get back to Hotel Matum. One good fella at an Orange store showed me the way by driving his car and let me follow. Google maps are more or less approximate and only work for highways. That sounds like a nice day trip, on a sunny day, thanks for the info Kman1.
With a hired driver it's just me kicking back and enjoying the scenery, plus a preplanned lunch date waiting on the other end.
Will she make the journey back?
Whose to say but I'm sure the drive back will only lead to more adventures, thanks again
Nowrath
Westy great info. But I have to disagree on one part, and someone who knows can tell me if I'm wrong. Arent most of the AI owned by Dominicans not outside investors?I've got to 'fess up, Mr. Gogo, I don't know much about the AI business; certainly not from the inside. But it has to be similar to the hotel business, and I know just enough about that To stay the hell out of it. (Need a rolled-eyes smiley)
Some hotels are owned by locals and run by their owners, like the New Garden, Terra Linda, Rocky's, etc. Some are owned by individuals, but run with a franchise from a well-known hotel chain; that can go from Motel 6 to the heights of the business. Some are owned by corporations under franchise; some belong to the national or international corporation whose name is on the front door; some are run by international corporations, but 'the house' actually belongs to someone else, be it a sole owner or a corporation. Marriott hotels would be my prime example of this business-model; they actually own about half a dozen hotels, but they sell their expertise in RUNNING hotels around the world."Marriott" is a very lucrative name to keep on you hotel's door.
Seems to me, speaking out of my ignorance, that the major difference between a "regular" resort hotel and an AI is the open buffet, the open bar, and the higher price you pay per night (to cover the cost of the open buffet and bar). You can include damn-near anything into the rack rate, as long as you charge enough to meet your expenses and give you a decent profit. "Oxygen Retreat," for example.
I know this doesn't answer your question, but the only true answer I can give you is "Damn if I know."
Cheers,
Westy
That sounds like a nice day trip, on a sunny day, thanks for the info Kman1.
With a hired driver it's just me kicking back and enjoying the scenery, plus a preplanned lunch date waiting on the other end.
Will she make the journey back?
Whose to say but I'm sure the drive back will only lead to more adventures, thanks again
Nowrath
I've got to 'fess up, Mr. Gogo, I don't know much about the AI business; certainly not from the inside. But it has to be similar to the hotel business, and I know just enough about that To stay the hell out of it. (Need a rolled-eyes smiley)
Some hotels are owned by locals and run by their owners, like the New Garden, Terra Linda, Rocky's, etc. Some are owned by individuals, but run with a franchise from a well-known hotel chain; that can go from Motel 6 to the heights of the business. Some are owned by corporations under franchise; some belong to the national or international corporation whose name is on the front door; some are run by international corporations, but 'the house' actually belongs to someone else, be it a sole owner or a corporation. Marriott hotels would be my prime example of this business-model; they actually own about half a dozen hotels, but they sell their expertise in RUNNING hotels around the world."Marriott" is a very lucrative name to keep on you hotel's door.
Seems to me, speaking out of my ignorance, that the major difference between a "regular" resort hotel and an AI is the open buffet, the open bar, and the higher price you pay per night (to cover the cost of the open buffet and bar). You can include damn-near anything into the rack rate, as long as you charge enough to meet your expenses and give you a decent profit."Oxygen Retreat," for example.
I know this doesn't answer your question, but the only true answer I can give you is "Damn if I know."
Cheers,
Westy
Sidney,
I'm sorry but I think your GFE Haitiana is playing you. I don't doubt she got hauled off to the slammer but ALL of these girls are pathological liars and maybe she is hoping you would feel bad for her and give her a few extra pesos if she told you they took her money. The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing!
Manizales911
12-22-10, 16:05
The rest of the story is: Politur told her to give them all her money or spend the night in jail. Her mother paid nothing. She asked me for nothing!Hey Sid,
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Maybe if you told the whole story to begin with you wouldn't have gotten the response that you did.
Anyway the fact is that 90% of the chicas in Sosua would have used the instance to try and extract pesos from a gringo's pocket, that is a fact that you or anyone else on this board can not dispute, I'm glad your GFE Haitiana is of the other 10% variety, enough said.
I Was in Sousa from Dec 16-20. I Think this whole crackdown is blown out of proportion. This is my 3rd trip to DR this year.
I got there Thursday Morning and took the 8:30am flight from JFK and got there around 1:00pm Sousa Time. I stayed at New Gardens and was greeted by the Dominican Clerk at the front desk, and also met Wilfred the German Manager. The Atmosphere was pretty much the same. This time I must admit I You do not see any beggers and hustle men like I did before.
They still had chicas walking up and down, As long as they had I'd or was with a Gringo The Police will leave them alone. I Think there trying to push everything indoors and not in the open like that. You have to remember they are people that live in Sousa and they don't want to walk down the street and see Chica Puta Hoes with tight dresses walking up and down talking about Freaky Freaky and come fuck my pussy its not a good look.
Its a Buyer Market right now and we went to Classico's that night and It was stupid packed with chicas that Thursday, I'm talking over 200+ chicas. The Chicas are desperate and you can offer them 1000-1500 pesos and they will take it because if they don't someone will. The Open Bars were still packed.
I don't think this crackdown will change anything, At the end of the Day we are a Global Worldwide Recession.
And Dominican Republic is a poor country and people got to eat. Also even if you try to turn Sousa into a Tourist Spot that will take Years maybe even a decade before investors get a return on there money.
Sousa is a very boring place and there's nothing really to do, What would make a tourist choose Sousa over the rest of the Caribbean. I Think they will be a huge backlash. Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.
I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.
Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".
Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit did Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique.
Good news on the bars, the chicas, and the "toto market"; and we thank you for that.
I sincerely hope that the Powers That Be in Sosua will be satisfied to get the sex-trade "out of your face" rather than trying to close it down entirely. Much as I enjoy seeing a cute girl strut her stuff in a tight mini-dress or painted-on jeans, I can see how the residents would be put off by the show, night after night, right out there on the street. And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
"Turning Sosua into a tourist spot" will take years, but I've heard substantial rumors that there is a master plan for a "new improved Sosua" carried in that direction. Trouble is, So-Sewer has an "image problem" that puts off investors, and we are "the problem" to their way of thinking. Make it look decent and wholesome, and it'll be that much more attractive to the buyer. First step is to "get rid of the sex trade," the riff-raff, the punters and their putas. How do we get the punters out of Sosua? Well, how about if we get the chicas out of the street? I believe that may be the reasoning behind Politur's "whack-a-mole" campaign. Is it working? For some; look at what Sidney had to say about his Haitiana girlfriend.
Will it stop the sex-trade entirely? I'm sure it won't. It may drive it indoors; it probably will make it a whole lot less blatant, at least on the street; but there are loads and loads of Dominican men in the country, too, who are looking to get their freak on. It won't go away, just "behind the curtains".
Personally, I could still be happy with a 'toto market' that's less in-your-face; even though my mid-October visit did Get me ready for the new TSA Enhanced Pat-Down technique. As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.
There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.
Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.
People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive.
MiamiHeatLuver
12-22-10, 21:25
And even more so, by the girls "freaky-freaky" noises and the way they grope you out on the street.
That fickie fickie grope, is them trying to pickpocket you! Watch it! LOL
SavePros321
12-23-10, 02:02
People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive. Well said!
The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus).
As usual you make complete sense. But BQ made a good point about his visit 5 years ago, when the hotels were NOT chica friendly. As a more "family friendly" enviornment evolves, making the hotel NOT chica friendly kills the game.
There are several communities that feed off Sosua. Charmico, La Union, Montellano, and Puerto plata are a few. How will they make up for this lost income? (sosua tricking). Actually with limited mongerers, pussy prices will come down. Taking pussy indoors is just part of the transition. (1) Clean the streets (2) Promote the beach and daytime non mongering activities (3) Establish non chica friendly hotels. (4) shut down Classicos as we know it. One day Classicos will be for karyoke and square dancing.
Once the local communities feel the cash flow lost, look for communities outside of Sosua to become more mongerer friendly. But it will be on a lowkey and limited basis.
People say Sosua tourist dollars will make up for the lost mongerers monies. Bullshit. Guys have been pouring ridiculous money into Sosua for years, A budget minded family of four won't drop 300usd a day in Sosua, but I've known mongerers (myself included) that spend that on girls, drinking, eating and gifts in one day. The budget minded family of four buys food (from la tienda) and a few gifts for less than 100usd do the math. Factor in the monthly Western Union allotment that will dissappear, you do the math.
It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. When has anything in the DR followed normal respectable guide lines? The DR is a beautiful country with beautiful people. But don't get it twisted, the DR is about Girls and pussy. Golf, sightseeing, relaxing, food, music and affordabilty are all a side show, girls and pussy are number one. No straight male goes to the DR and comes home without getting laid. On the flip side, what female wants to vacation with her family in an enviorment with hot chicas around? Unless its in a structured controlled enviornment like an All Inclusive.
The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). Bingo Jao, its not about the international tourist. Its about a Russian beach town. They tried Cabarette two years ago but the logistics (one small road, hells angels, surfer / kite surfer boys) didn't cooperate plus their money stated thinking bigger. Will it work? Yes.
Russians do their own thing and fly under the radar. Plus its not about the fiesta amd pussy, its about having their thing. Once they set up the Italian and German owners in Sosua will be glad to sell. As I once stated I saw a double decker jet at Pop but I never saw Russians, its a covert operation.
The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus). That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb.
Boris Bigrubles Badenov comes in to town, buys a plot of land, brings in an architect and builds a "dacha". That's a lot of money coming into the community, with construction workers, buying building supplies, plumbing and electrical work, yadda yadda yadda. When it's built, he hires a staff to take care of him and guards to keep him safe. Money coming into the local economy on a constant, consistent basis. And it's taxable. I grabbed this off the internet, and yes, it applies to expats who spend more than 183 days of any given tax year in-country:
Individuals obtaining income from a Dominican source or from financial investments abroad shall pay taxes as per the following scale (Art. 296) , in Dominican pesos (R. D. $) :
• Income up to R. D. $290, 243. 00 annually: exempt.
• R. D. $290, 243. 01. Road $435, 364. 00:15.
• R. D. $435, 364. 01. Road$604, 672. 00: Road $21, 769 plus 20% of income above Road $435, 364. 0.
• Income above R. D. $604, 672. 01: Road $55, 630 plus 25% of income above R. D. $604, 672. 01. Now maybe Boris can find a way around the income tax, or at least minimize it; but there are also real-estate taxes, asset taxes (on that big vehicle) , business taxes, other taxes. Visions of dollar signs dance in the Mayor's head. It's really good for the economy. And who knows what other shake-downs can be gotten out of a wealthy resident who "needs privacy" but is so big on the local radar?
For that matter, any expat retiree from a "wealthy" country is going to be putting tax money into the national and state coffers. And they're going to be buying stuff on the local economy, year-in, year-out: food, fuel, medical expenses, electricity, water & sewage services if they're available, equipment such as inversors and battery banks to cope with the Dom Rep power grid, and so forth. And replacements and repairs, when their Dominican-built crackerbox-palaces start falling apart.
What follows is mere speculation:
Let's be really visionary, and cater to the "rich expats" by building a golf course in that big cattle-farm west of Seahorse Ranch. Millions and millions ($US or €) would go into such a project; it would be run as a business, whether a "membership country club" or an "open" (but surely expensive) course; not only would it improve the desirability of Sosua as a retirement destination, but it would be yet another cash cow for the Sosua government.
Same thing with replacing the barrio of Los Charamicos with an spiffy new yacht marina. It takes wealth to park a good-sized yacht in a marina, and live in a villa nearby. Someone sees a lot of money coming in from dock fees, slip rentals, hauling the boats for major work, and all of that; and, being a big visible business, the "assets tax" and "corporate tax" and all other taxes will help to fill coffers and line pockets all the way.
Of course, all of these big projects could go the way that many of those Playa Dorada AI's are going, I. E. Broke. Especially if they're run poorly, sold downstream to other investors, left to go to seed. But are the purveyors of the "Sosua Grand Master Plan" going to mention that possibility to Madam Mayor and the Powers That Be? If you were in the planner's place, would you?
By comparison, what does the municipality get from the visiting monger? Not near as much. Hotel tax, yes. If there's a tax on restaurant meals, or beer and alcohol served at a bar, yes (though it would be "the same" whether bought by a monger or bought by a nice retired couple living off their taxable investment income). Does the chica we bring back to the New Garden for the night pay income tax on her 'mil quinientos'? I would be surprised.
The picture of "all that development money" would be dazzling to any mayor, alcalde, or municipal manager. As Mr. Gogo says, though, Sosua would have to "clean the streets" and decent-up the town, before the developers will even break ground.
We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.
The way I see it, the powers that be in DR are more impressed with the foreigners who come to DR and plunk down 1/4 million to 2 million dollars for an apartment or a villa and then plunk down another $50k or more for an expensive vehicle (Russians seem to be flush with cash on the North Coast).
The monger scene has not been shut down in Sosua, it has been changed. The only constant is change (Heraclitus).
That is an excellent point, Jao,"more impressed." I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the Mayor's manicured thumb..........................We tomcats will have to learn to prowl without the yowl.Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.
Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.
I finally did find some planners' conceptions for the "new Sosua". This is what they'd like to do to Los Charamicos:
143351
There's some more "master plan" information on DR1; vBulletin asterisked-out the URL when I tried to post it, but I found it by Googling "sosua master plan".
Definitely a "show-me-the-money" situation here; but it could be that "the money" has decided that the time is right, especially if they are secure at having Madam Mayor in their pocket.
(My own self-interest as a boater comes up: How much per foot, per night, to get a transient slip in that marina? How much per foot per month, or per year, if I live there?)
Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.It may not be missed by the politicians, police and other Dominicans that have money, for awhile. But to the poor communities that feed off the Sosua hooker trade, that influx of revenue will be missed. Maybe you can explain how non taxed income directly injected into a poor household will be replaced?
MiamiHeatLuver
12-23-10, 16:05
Hmmm Lets see! Sosua and Charamicos the West's NEW SAN TROPEZ. Jajaja. I don't know. Just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. I doubt it though. Maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. I think the puteria will always be there, Now its moved slightly underground? So what we will work around it. Get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. Call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. There is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. One things for sure though is I will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to Sosua. To be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action!
hmmm lets see! sosua and charamicos the west's new san tropez. jajaja. i don't know. just can't swallow that one yet, just can't picture what a monumental project that would be. i doubt it though. maybe not in our lifetimes but who knows. i think the puteria will always be there, now its moved slightly underground? so what we will work around it. get some chicas phone numbers from the night before. call them to hang out at the beach in the am's and for afternoon sessions. there is nothing a determined monger can't overcome. one things for sure though is i will have to pickup a cellphone for the first time in 10 years of going to sosua. to be on the safe side and have numbers for daytime action!times square in new york city used be a bit of a hell hole, cheapy porn theaters and cheap martial arts shops (the peep shows i enjoyed in the old times square). now times square has the lion king show, wax museum and other main stream businesses.
i lived in tribeca in lower manhattan for 20 years, when i first started living there, there were many abandoned and gutted warehouses and other buildings that were just vacant with rats and pigeons living in them. now tribeca is a luxury neighborhood (all the old, empty, forlorn warehouses have been converted to luxury condominiums) , even subaru named a car tribeca.
neighborhoods can change and perceptions of neighborhoods can change. sosua is ten minutes from a international airport that has many international flights, as such sosua is a relatively easy destination to reach (no long car / bus / taxi from the airport) , the road from the airport to sosua is fairly scenic (unlike the ride from sdq to boca chica which is a dirty road). the international airport in samana does not have many flights and from what i remember that international airport in samana to las terrenas was more than 10 minutes.
i don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. on the south coast in la romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.
i know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from charamicos and turn that area over to russian developers. as mr gogo has said previously the dr is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for sosua.
Would anyone happen to know where in the DR this video was filmed?
http://www.isharemybitch.com/videos/3078/dominican-party.html
it may not be missed by the politicians, police and other dominicans that have money, for awhile. but to the poor communities that feed off the sosua hooker trade, that influx of revenue will be missed. maybe you can explain how non taxed income directly injected into a poor household will be replaced?come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131)? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.
come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131)? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.what she lied? she said my money went for babys milk, i was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast lmao.
come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131)? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.what she lied? she said my money went for babys milk, i was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast lmao.
Blk Big Bootyluv
12-23-10, 20:48
your kidding right? i am of the opinion that mongeres drop big money in dr. i've meet people from every continent in dr not just euros and yankees. some of whom have purchased homes "date" women and frequent many of the abundant mom and pops establishments, if not endeavoring to open their own.
the hooker might not buy milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131). incidentally, the owners of said mentioned business do purchase those items. when you eat at mom and pops food place or buy a sim card or leave a tip at a restaurant. you've done your part. i've tipped 500 road pesos before to a waitress. the chica i gave it too remembered me for years. she practically did a back flip after she found out it was really her tip.
so, i guess my point is, borrowing the ideology of reganomics, i would susupect that maybe the "putas" kids / family don't get the money directly but someones family benefits from our fun in the sun.
additionally, i believe that we spend a lot more money than a working class family of 4 on a budget trying to hold their marriage / family together after they've both considered divorce (parents).
peace,
bbl
come on now, it's not like there is a hooker in every household. there are zillions of households without hookers and the people eat everyday. how much of a puta's money really goes for milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131)? can we agree the largest percentage of their hard earned dollar goes to the beauty salon, new nails, new clothes, new shoes, latest cell phone, minutes for the cell, and if any is left a new pair of shoes for the baby.
i don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. on the south coast in la romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.
i know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from charamicos and turn that area over to russian developers. as mr gogo has said previously the dr is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for sosua. there's a good sheltered anchorage in luperon, well protected from the usual path of hurricanes over the island, and a fair number of cruisers use luperóand as a "hurricane hole". jimmy cornell's 'noonsite' website mentions the marina luperóand yacht club and marina puerto blanco. i don't know if either has a boat lift, though i do see what might be a boat ramp on the south side of the peninsula with the tropical luperon resort.
the current google earth image of luperon harbor is 28 oct 2006. it's not the greatest of resolution. i see plenty of boats, with the sort of size and hull shapes i can associate with cruising sailboats; i see an area of "bulldozer scrapings" east of the town, with a probable seawall and a "notch" that could become a travelift basin. a google search for "luperon marina" brought in a website for this marina development; but they don't even have as much "plans" as the architect's conception of the planned sosua marina.
eco marina luperon (close to that possible boat ramp) has a photo that shows their "plans for expansion," and the artist drew in a travelift and a yard lot that would permit major boat repair, bottom painting, etc. again, it's still just an 'artist's conception'.
ocean world, out past costambar, has a good, well-developed marina. they're very proud of the marina services, on their web site. i'll bet their pride is reflected in their prices.
What she lied? She said my money went for babys milk, I was wondering how her dominicano cousin went from a motoconcho to a honda crv so fast LMAO.Yeah, I remember her; you introduced her to me a Four Roses, didn't you?
I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. She told me that she needed the money because the family's water-buffalo was sick.
(Oops, wrong country. Please insert LOS smile here.)
Yeah, I remember her; you introduced her to me a Four Roses, didn't you?
I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. She told me that she needed the money because the family's water-buffalo was sick.
(Oops, wrong country. Please insert LOS smile here.) Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.
BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs.
Yes P4P money can be replaced in Sosua. But not by these guys. That isn't even their intention. If you have seen some of their posts most of these guys are real estate amatuers. They have money and they are in it to get richer quick. Take the money and run. Their customers won't be the rich, although they'll say they are. They'll be mostly gullible middle class with a dream who have to go into debt to get it. The realtors will get their money, The debts go default. There goes the economy. This is what has happened in other DR towns. This is also the same type of thing that turned the US into a debtor nation.
The DR needs business and industry not real estate developements. There are ways to get this. I've heard they have been engaged in talks with other nations for years about this. This realtor money looks good to politicos, but it will do nothing for their nation.
Excellent, too many guys are over estimating the power of the monger dollar. I have said it before and will say it again. The monger dollar will NOT be missed.The Dominicans want it all, monger dollars, family vacation dollars and big time investment dollars. They are hedging their bets, doing a cleanup but not a 100% sanitized cleanup. Monger dollars have fed many Dominicans.
Your kidding right? I am of the opinion that mongeres drop big money in DR.........No I am not kidding. Really now the Sosua monger is only making the owner of NG richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, La Passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. So you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. So you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). So you paid for a ST and TLN in one day. So you purchased a sim card. Do you really think this is helping the economy? The little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. If you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.
Go back and read Jao's post. One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.
Blk Big Bootyluv
12-24-10, 13:21
well all do respect to you and your opinion, however i still disagree with you. i have never taken a chica home from those establishments, nor do i plan to in the near feature. i enjoy chicas tht i meet elsewhere.
i am most assured tht the money i give her, hence my doe not silly- i can set it on fire if i feel like it, is money tht is not going to a rich anybody at least if she doesn't have a pimp etc. i was speaking in generally not jut my wingman and i that stay for a week or so spending 200 usd a day on fun fun fun, i'm speaking on all of us plus the non-mongeres tht do the standard toursity thing and tip. most importantly i think the fact tht there is even notoriety attached to the otherwise inncuous name sosua really means something. furthermore, if chicas weren't making money why are there thousands and thousands of chicas there daily and from both sides of the island? every time one of goes there we see a hundered or more new faces. so if the chicas are not making money, what are doing back there week after week and year after year? of course the russian can! hey i'm just a working stiff like everyone else. but that is not the point and is in no way related to the original statement that you asserted. youstated that we don't help the chicas buy milk and [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) for te baby. ps i don't stay in ng.
peace,
bbl
quote=bq ribs; 1105321]no i am not kidding. really now the sosua monger is only making the owner of ng richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, la passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. so you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. so you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). so you paid for a st and tln in one day. so you purchased a sim card. do you really think this is helping the economy? the little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. if you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.
go back and read jao's post. one rich russian will drop more cash in sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime. [/quote]
Neighborhoods can change and perceptions of neighborhoods can change. Sosua is ten minutes from a International Airport that has many International flights, as such Sosua is a relatively easy destination to reach (no long car / bus / taxi from the airport) , the road from the airport to Sosua is fairly scenic (unlike the ride from sdq to boca chica which is a dirty road). The International Airport in Samana does not have many flights and from what I remember that international airport in Samana to las terrenas was more than 10 minutes.
I don't know if there is a nice marina for luxury yachts on the north coast. On the south coast in La Romana there is a marina with luxury yachts and a high end complex called casa de campo.
I know that there have been plans for years to relocate the people from Charamicos and turn that area over to Russian developers. As Mr Gogo has said previously the DR is dotted with failed real estate projects, so who knows what the future will hold for Sosua. I spend a lot of my vacation time in Charomicos, (even if I can't spell it)
My chica took me for a walk to the cliff overlooking the river. On the other side of the river below (south side) the land has been cleared and leveled.
She told me that once not too long ago that area was a densely populated barrio. She said there were many sad stories of how they forced out all the local residents, and bulldozed the place flat. The idea was to build a hotel / marina complex, but it never got off the ground.
Geographically it is a natural sheltered harbour, and would be ideal, except for the existing barrio on top of the cliff above.
She said things move slow in the DR but in time it will happen, and the locals don't count for shit to the few people of influence who have always run things their own way, soley for the benefit of their own friends and family.
It was one of nhe few times she had tears in her eyes that didn't somehow end up costing me money.
No I am not kidding. Really now the Sosua monger is only making the owner of NG richer, the owner of the puta bars ricer, La Passions owner getting richer by the day, etc. So you buy a couple of meals in a restaurant. So you dropped a 500 peso tip (silly, silly, silly). So you paid for a ST and TLN in one day. So you purchased a sim card. Do you really think this is helping the economy? The little bit of money that makes it back into the barrio to help one puta family is ziltch compared to the number of poor people living in the barrios. If you honestly think the monger's dollar is bringing many families above the poverty level you need to rethink.
Go back and read Jao's post. One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime. Okay if you want to believe that rich Russians money will trinkle down to the barios surrounding Sosua and the corrupt politicians and police will share with the poor okay.
Here's the math. Resort jobs paying 5000 pesos a month before taxes versus a chica making 10000 pesos a week tax free tricking. If you really think the Sosua money that used to flow to surrounding areas won't be missed, so be it.
ForceSteeler
12-24-10, 17:38
Hey Guys,
I'm planning on Going to DR in March, When is the best time chicas are desperate?
Before Carnival or After Carnival?
I'm not much of a carnival guys thats when all the prices are high and chicas are not so hungry because theres going to be alot of americas flossin for chicas, I'm trying to go when there hungry.
.........I'm not much of a carnival guys thats when all the prices are high and chicas are not so hungry because theres going to be alot of americas flossin for chicas, I'm trying to go when there hungry.Prices do not change during Carnaval and there is not a lot of gringos coming to town just for Carnaval. Carnaval for the most part is for Dominicans.
Bobsthrobbinknob
12-25-10, 00:20
I spend a lot of my vacation time in Charomicos, (even if I can't spell it)
My chica took me for a walk to the cliff overlooking the river. On the other side of the river below (south side) the land has been cleared and leveled.
She told me that once not too long ago that area was a densely populated barrio. She said there were many sad stories of how they forced out all the local residents, and bulldozed the place flat. The idea was to build a hotel / marina complex, but it never got off the ground.
Geographically it is a natural sheltered harbour, and would be ideal, except for the existing barrio on top of the cliff above.
She said things move slow in the DR but in time it will happen, and the locals don't count for shit to the few people of influence who have always run things their own way, soley for the benefit of their own friends and family.
It was one of nhe few times she had tears in her eyes that didn't somehow end up costing me money. Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.
One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.
There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.
The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there.
Bimmy5 you need to follow the entire thread. Let me see, you got six trips or less and only to Sosua.
Where do they get these experts from?
Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.
There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.
The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there.
Marc Anthony
12-25-10, 05:23
Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.In most cases like this it's quite the opposite, it's pure Capitalism. Most of the land that barrios are built on is not actually owned by any of the people who build there. As long as the people with the title don't have an alternative use they may not go to the trouble of evicting squatters. If a use comes along though, they use their influence with government to get the land cleared. It's the masses be damned, money talks.
Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. I'm sure their gambling dosen't make up for much. They have better places to gamble.How about something like this?
143374
Being built for a Russian on the outskirts of Sosua, according to "the other monger board".
There's an awful lot of "mil quinientos" decrements going into that palace.
Coolie High
12-25-10, 06:38
Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.
BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs. LMAO. Mr. Gogo I see we got jokes. Naw but with all seriousness I've just been incognegro and reading the forum. Every one is sharing there opinion on the current situation of Sosua and after doing some research and realizing that drastic changes have come to Sosua before one thing sticks out in my mind,"THIS TO SHALL PASS"!
The OGs all the way to the newbies will still hav a good time in Sosua or any part of DR for that matter. I mean seriously if you can't come up on some fine honey dip in DR regardless of the current situation you really shouldn't call your self a monger or a man for that matter. I take the current condition of Sosua for the next 20 years then try to find a decent fine woman in the good ol USA. And I live in Vegas where there's a lot of potential.
Anyway Gents I want to say thanks for naming me ROY in Mr. Gogo forum, keep coming to sosua and pay the BS no nevermind and have yourself a Merry Christmas and a Happy Kwanza LOL.
Peace,
CH
I still have a little 'pull' from my old TS/SCI clearances. Enough to have gotten this intelligence from the TSA:
Santa Claus has been cleared to receive his "TSA Enhanced Pat-Down" from the girls that used to troll for us on Calle Pedro Clitoris . Er, Pedro Clisante.
This, hopefully, will leave him in a good-enough mood to treat ISC mongers as "nice".
Wishing you a Merry Christmas!
Westy
Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons? The most expensive thing in town is a TLN. A toda la noche (all nighter) in Sosua is from 2, 500 pesos (appx. $69US) to 3500 pesos (appx $97US). I paid for dinner for 4 people at Baileys Restaurant in Sosua years ago, with a bottle of red wine from Chile, Casillero del Diablo, not expensive wine and the bill for dinner and wine was over $100US. If we wanted to smoke some nice cigars at dinner and drink some fine cognac, I could easily have spent over $200US.
You can visit the Sea Horse Ranch page in Russian: http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/ru/. Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here: http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/eng/sales_all.php
The Dominican Republic from what I understand puts tariffs on many imported products including cars and trucks. A $50k SUV here in the US may cost $60k or more in DR. Wealthy foreigners in the DR are driving around in expensive vehicles. Do some Russians buy expensive vehicles in DR? Or viking ranges and sub zero refrigerators for their villas? I would guess some do.
There is a Russian presence in the DR. It is a drop in the bucket compared to the US presence. It is always going to be that way. Geographic proximity dictates that. These Russians are among the real estate scammers. They have failed before. They are not going to bring very many wealthy Russians here.
The wealthy Russians have better and closer places to go. However if the Russians do want to come to this area they have an old friend right next door, who many people feel is about to open up. If that that old friend does open up the Russians will find much more opportunity there. A Russian guy just bought the New Jersey Nets basketball team and may soon become the boss of the basketball player Carmelo Anthony. Russians are making a ton of money selling oil, petrodollars, and the treasury of the Russian government is not being drained by foreign entanglements.
The biggest scammer in history is a guy who was born in New York City named Madoff.
That said, I do not believe in trickle down economics. Prostitutes are independent contractors and should be allowed to ply their trade. The Dominican Government prefers the big time spenders because there are more opportunities to tax and collect revenues from people who buy homes, expensive cars, eat in expensive restaurants etc.
There are many Germans, Italians, British, Dutch people in DR. Many guys travel from the west coast of the United States to visit the DR. Many people like the vibe in DR. A rich Russian may like the vibe in the DR and decide to buy a villa. Rich Americans have bought villas in Central and South America as well as in far away Thailand. If a person likes a place, travel distance is but one factor.
Chief Justice
12-25-10, 08:10
Next time you come I'm going to tip the Santigo twins off to kidnap you at the airport, but don't tell Jao and Bq.
BTW where the fuck is Coolie High? I heard that with the Sosua bad news, he won't come out the basement of his house. They say he has the same picture of Sade posted on the walls and can't stop singing love songs. Lolol. You are right. I just spoke with him on the phone and sweetest taboo was playing in the background.
Socialism. Whether the D. R. Government runs by that name or not. It is what it is. What's best for the masses.You have things very backwards.
The DR is one of the most capitalistic places you can ever come across.
The DR is tons more capitalistic than the USA.
In the DR everything has its price and the rights of the people play second fiddle to that of the big dollar. The USA protects its people and enacts socialistic laws so they are not abused thus giving a more fair shake to the people who don't have much money to protect themselves.
Incredible how many Americans don't realize the USA is just as much capitalistic as it is socialistic. How did socialism ever become such a bad name anyway? Republican brainwashing I think. Anyway. This is straying from the main subject at hand.
I'm thinkning about venturing to sosua in April, may for 7 days. Can anyone give me a list of A. I resort close by. I live regualr hotels but I fancy resorts. I like my room and food stationary. A map or list would be great.
Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.
For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.
Rodeo
How about something like this?
143374
Being built for a Russian on the outskirts of Sosua, according to "the other monger board".
There's an awful lot of "mil quinientos" decrements going into that palace. But who's profiting from this? Real estate brings nothing to the economy. The workers are few. The suppliers likely not from the DR. How many others are there like him? He is taking. He is giving nothing to the DR. You think this tiny amont of wealthy people are going to bring changes? They aren't. You bought their line. We have seen this happen.
They could buy up the whole Sosua area and it will be for them. But what's going to happen to the people of Sosua?
The only thing that could Sosua is if business is brought to Sosua. That could happen. This isn't going to do it.
Bimmy5 you need to follow the entire thread. Let me see, you got six trips or less and only to Sosua.
Where do they get these experts from? Wait and see what happens expert. It has happen elsewhere including the US. The DR need business. Realtors don't apply.
A toda la noche (all nighter) in Sosua is from 2, 500 pesos (appx. $69US) to 3500 pesos (appx $97US). I paid for dinner for 4 people at Baileys Restaurant in Sosua years ago, with a bottle of red wine from Chile, Casillero del Diablo, not expensive wine and the bill for dinner and wine was over $100US. If we wanted to smoke some nice cigars at dinner and drink some fine cognac, I could easily have spent over $200US.
You can visit the Sea Horse Ranch page in Russian:
http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/ru/.
Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:
http://www.sea-horse-ranch.com/eng/sales_all.php
The Dominican Republic from what I understand puts tariffs on many imported products including cars and trucks. A $50k SUV here in the US may cost $60k or more in DR. Wealthy foreigners in the DR are driving around in expensive vehicles. Do some Russians buy expensive vehicles in DR? Or viking ranges and sub zero refrigerators for their villas? I would guess some do.
A Russian guy just bought the New Jersey Nets basketball team and may soon become the boss of the basketball player Carmelo Anthony. Russians are making a ton of money selling oil, petrodollars, and the treasury of the Russian government is not being drained by foreign entanglements.
The biggest scammer in history is a guy who was born in New York City named Madoff.
That said, I do not believe in trickle down economics. Prostitutes are independent contractors and should be allowed to ply their trade. The Dominican Government prefers the big time spenders because there are more opportunities to tax and collect revenues from people who buy homes, expensive cars, eat in expensive restaurants etc.
There are many Germans, Italians, British, Dutch people in DR. Many guys travel from the west coast of the United States to visit the DR. Many people like the vibe in DR. A rich Russian may like the vibe in the DR and decide to buy a villa. Rich Americans have bought villas in Central and South America as well as in far away Thailand. If a person likes a place, travel distance is but one factor. Actually I'm getting sick of this. It dosen't matter how many times I've been to Sosua and I have been there quite a few. But I have delt with these situations. A bunch of Russians or any other wealthy people buying real estate or moving to Sosua are not going to change the economy of Sosua. You're right it's trickle down economics. They would have to sell a whole lot of SUV's. Now if they brought business and jobs with them that would be a different story.
But the best they could do is make Sosua a playground for the rich. That isn't going to help the people of Sosua.
Plus for many reason's that is not going to happen.
They can replace P4P. There are people with power and money who could do this. But as selfish as this might seem to think that is going to help the people of Sosua is ridiculous. This has happened in many other places. The town gets screwed, the people get screwed and eventually the rich leave too. For many reasons including it's history, it's location, the area surrounding it, Sosua is not going to be a rich mans playground, and the rich are going to take what they can get and run. This is a sceme as old as you can get.
Actually I'm getting sick of this. It dosen't matter how many times I've been to Sosua and I have been there quite a few. But I have delt with these situations. A bunch of Russians or any other wealthy people buying real estate or moving to Sosua are not going to change the economy of Sosua. You're right it's trickle down economics. They would have to sell a whole lot of SUV's. Now if they brought business and jobs with them that would be a different story.
But the best they could do is make Sosua a playground for the rich. That isn't going to help the people of Sosua.
Plus for many reason's that is not going to happen.
They can replace P4P. There are people with power and money who could do this. But as selfish as this might seem to think that is going to help the people of Sosua is ridiculous. This has happened in many other places. The town gets screwed, the people get screwed and eventually the rich leave too. For many reasons including it's history, it's location, the area surrounding it, Sosua is not going to be a rich mans playground, and the rich are going to take what they can get and run. This is a sceme as old as you can get. I'm not saying that villa is "going to help the pobrecitas of Sosua, Los Charamicos, el campo or any of it. Just that this particular Mafioski is spending more money on its construction than you or I are spending on chicas. A simple response to this exchange:
One rich Russian will drop more cash in Sosua in a year than you and your wingman will do in a lifetime.
Is this so? What do the Russian's buy? Portraits of Bob Marley? Dominican food? Dominican jewelry? Dominican clothes? Dominican produce? Dominican manufacturing? Dominican weapons?The DomRep government will get money out of it through taxes and duties. Probably also from bribes and rake-offs. And that's what they're looking for, Not some "trickle-down economic benefit to the huddled masses." This is not about "helping the people of Sosua," it's about "grabbing something good while you can."
I don't believe that the rich and powerful (government, investor or whatever) give a passing thought to "trickle-down economics" in what they do. I believe the Sosua political philosophy will be more like "[CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-on-you economics."
And I believe, as Coolie High put it,"this too shall pass." The chicas will be selling it, we will be buying it, and the challenge will be one of "marketing" on their side and "spotting the market" on ours. I expect that even a blind squirrel like me will be able to bust a nut, in Sosua, through the years to come.
My hand is gettig tired but I agree with Westy. I think he said most of the things I wanted to but said it better.
By the way the "most expensive thing in town is a TLN " remark was sarcastic. Except for the average consumer it is.
Also a couple of my fellow travelers are from wealthy Russian familys although you wouldn't know it. They don't get kicks by showing off their money. Or as they say they like simple things but spend more time elsewhere. I first met them in the DR and they are getting a kick out of this.
Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.
For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.
RodeoThats interesting shit. Henessy is my drink of choice but I never mix it with cialis. I usually eat a light fruit breakfast, water myself down (no food) and take a half cialis about 2pm. I don't know but because I basically because I have an empty stomach, it seems to hit me correct.
At 5pm I'm chilling in the room at Newgarden watching porn, when it hit me. I walked on the balcony with a hardon (thankfully I was on the third floor) and signaled one of the girls downstairs to come up. The problem is cumming during intercourse with a condom. But I've learned to jackoff with the girls face there then push her to finish when I come.
Rodeo how is the performance when you mix your love potion?
DR Monger II
12-26-10, 06:23
For those prices, wouldn't someone spend the money and go to a better island, like St. Lucia or St. Martin?
"Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:"
Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.
For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.
RodeoVery nice. I like vodka and red bull.
For those prices, wouldn't someone spend the money and go to a better island, like St. Lucia or St. Martin?
"Sea Horse Ranch is less than ten minutes from Sosua. Current Villa prices start at 1/2 million US dollars and go to 4. 8 million dollars. Current villas for sale can be found here:"I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that could be marketed as advantages. )
First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).
Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.
Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."
Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.
The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table.
I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that could be marketed as advantages. )
First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).
Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.
Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."
Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.
The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table. One problem people forget is that the earthquake" fault line" goes right thru the north coast. Samana in 1946, 8.0 earth quake. And we all remember recent events.
Manizales911
12-26-10, 16:34
Just wondering-what is everyone's drink of choice while mongering in DR, or mongering period? I guess I'm referring to the day to day grind of hunting during the day and prepping for the night feast of the club game. Of course, most just have a favorite beer or drink that they'll get once they get to their destination. But, I'm talking about that certain home made concoction that they sip on throughout the day to keep the buzz.
For me, I usually carry a 12-20 oz used water bottle filled with 1/3 Hennessey. 1/3 Alize, and 1/3 Red Bull with a 50mg Viagra crushed up and dissolved into it. I call it MY Crunk Juice! It's weird because the Red Bull keeps me awake, but the Hennessey definitely mellows me out. It has about the same effect as Mamajuana; I usually get through 3 bottles of those by the beginning of the late evening if I start at about 11am or so.
RodeoIce cold Presidentes during the day to keep me from getting too drunk then a switch to Captain Morgan Special Reserve and Coke at about dinner time then later on when I'm ready to party I break out the tequila, chicas LOVE tequila.
Sweeper239
12-26-10, 21:02
I have been following the daily discussion and thought I would put my perspective out here.
First, I am making my first trip ever to the DR this coming April. Why, you ask, should I have a comment on a place I have never been to? I own a company that specializes in resorts. We own several, usually buying a great site, dozing over the old and putting up new. We typically spend $100. $150M US on a three year design / build. We do golf courses, marinas, hotels, tennis complexes, and beach resorts. Our latest acquisition is a ski resort with 4, 000 acres we purchased for $12M. We will spend another $150M to build all new facilities, add a village and make it a year round resort.
With that said there are companies always interested in finding new areas to develop. St Lucia, San Martin, and many other Caribbean destinations were all once sleepy little unheard of destinations until someone went in and put it on the map. There is always room for a new place. The last time I checked they are not making any new waterfront property.
There are many places with great vistas available for development. Infrastructure is important, and the airport in PP with daily nonstop service to cities like New York, are strong drawing cards. And yes Cuba is certainly on the near horizon.
One is the most critical factors in any development is the 'red tape'. Money is easy compared to the alphabet soup of regulatory agencies that impose layer after layer of requirements that can multiply the cost of any development. It certainly sounds like DR is still years behind in this area.
If you can buy prime oceanfront property cheap that is located so near to a major airport and the regulations are nonexistent, you have a winning combination. Part of my first visit will be look at what the possibilities are.
Creating 400-500 steady jobs, paying taxes, buying local products, and boosting the image of an area, all help a developing area. More development usually follows.
Things change but the trade will always remain. Despite the total transformation of 42nd Street in New York you can find a hooker with ease. Certainly we will miss how things once were. I think back to Viet Nam and Thailand and the fond memories I have of how they were during the war. I miss those days but I still have fun every time I return. You make your own fun. If you like what you do and are good at it, you will succeed.
I look forward to my visit and creating new memories with friends I have not yet made. Hope to meet all of you during our visit.
Leonard.
UOTE=Westy; 1106004]I'm not one of the rich and famous, but I can see some advantages that Sosua could have, over more-familiar Caribbean destinations. (Or maybe I should say factors that could be marketed as advantages. )
First up, the Dom Rep is less well-known that these other destinations. You wouldn't be looking for "the rich and famous" at POP. This makes for more privacy, something you'd value if you had enough money & fame to be a target for the paparazzi (or for more formal investigations).
Next, even the rich love a bargain. A house & grounds equivalent to, say, € 4 million in Sea Horse Ranch, might cost more than € 10 million on an equivalent "classy neighborhood" on St. Martin or St. Lucia or wherever; and the land for a "nice and private" place might not be available, on a better-known destination, at any price. The sun is going to be just as warm in the Dom Rep, the pool is going to be as refreshing, and any luxury you could want is going to be just as available, even if there were an added cost of getting it into the country. And there are other bargains, too; I'm sure you can 'buy' an alcalde in the Dom Rep for a lot less than it would cost to get a mayor on St. Martin in your pocket, and the alcalde would be more likely to stay bought.
Then I perceive a "nobody comes here" factor that could help the rich-and-famous slip off the world's radar screens for a while. Though most might perceive Sosua as "the middle of nowheresville," POP is an excellent airport with a 10, 000-foot runway, all-weather capability (what a pilot would call "precision IFR approach aids") , and plenty of ramp space for your private jet or your chartered NetJet. I doubt if Customs would bring you into the main terminal, down the hallway and past the calypso band, if you arrived with your buds and your "secretaries" in a private jet. Then it's a quick heli-taxi flight across the Bay to the landing pad by your island retreat."Kato, call up some beeper-chicas for our guests. And invite the Mayor over for cocktails."
Another thing is the ease of establishing "special naturalization" and qualifying for a Dom Rep passport. Even though they aren't worth much going into Heathrow, Rhein-Main or Dulles airports, they're good at POP and they'd put a blind area into the paper trail. Six months' residency and that nice villa you've built for yourself would qualify you for a second passport, possibly with a change of name to "sound more Dominican". This could be useful to someone who is doing the "perpetual tourist" thing.
The rich-and-famous, I'm sure, play a different game from the average Sosua punter. Someone who's getting one of those million-dollar Sea Horse Ranch villas as a "hideaway" is likely to be playing a different game from you and me, on a much more exclusive table. [/QUOTE]
Sweeper239
12-26-10, 21:16
To help us sell what we have we also own a travel agency. I can put anyone in the local AI's in PP at the following rates per person per night USD:
Lyfestyles $21. 00.
Iberostar $35. 00.
Gran Ventana $36. 00.
Less than the cost of a chica for an afternoon.
Compare the number of rooms rented on average per day to the number of chicas rented per day.
Subtract the overhead of each.
Who contributes more to the economy per day.
If local money was the only concern for the goverment, the new mayor would be importing women from around the world to work in Sousia.
Marc Anthony
12-27-10, 01:11
To help us sell what we have we also own a travel agency. I can put anyone in the local AI's in PP at the following rates per person per night USD:
Lyfestyles $21. 00.
Iberostar $35. 00.
Gran Ventana $36. 00.
Less than the cost of a chica for an afternoon.
Compare the number of rooms rented on average per day to the number of chicas rented per day.
Subtract the overhead of each.
Who contributes more to the economy per day.
If local money was the only concern for the goverment, the new mayor would be importing women from around the world to work in Sousia. I'm sure many posters would welcome booking / contact information for those AI's at those rates. Can you provide more information?
I'm sure many posters would welcome booking / contact information for those AI's at those rates. Can you provide more information?You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.
You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.
Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT.
Chief Justice
12-27-10, 02:23
You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.
You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.
Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. No. Its actually real talk. When I arrived in pop a few trips ago, I met an older white guy who lives in the the. Are. And he told me about it bc he said him and his novia go there when they have the deal. I called the site who had the deal and a lady told me it was over but they do have that.
Sweeper239
12-27-10, 07:07
"Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price." is EXACTLY CORRECT.
We frequently use a wholesaler called Cheap Caribbean (there are others as well) You can go to our website and book through us (we always appreciate the business, meaning we make a commission).
Not sure if the administrator will allow the following link but I looked and found this one quickly for Gran Ventana. The one for Lifestyles at $42. 00 per night per couple is currently offered by the same company. Just type in the resort name. If the link is not posted below you can contact us directly through our website at thetravelcompany. Cc.
This is the VH Gran Ventana Beach Resort
$44. 00 per night.
http://www.cheapcaribbean.com/core/resortAvailability/cc.2757.html
Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE]
You know what they say,"If it sounds too good", blah, blah, blah.
You can bet your bottom dollar those rates do not include taxes and do not include all you can eat and drink. Sorry but I don't believe that post.
Example: Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT.
Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me!
Thats interesting shit. Henessy is my drink of choice but I never mix it with cialis. I usually eat a light fruit breakfast, water myself down (no food) and take a half cialis about 2pm. I don't know but because I basically because I have an empty stomach, it seems to hit me correct.
At 5pm I'm chilling in the room at Newgarden watching porn, when it hit me. I walked on the balcony with a hardon (thankfully I was on the third floor) and signaled one of the girls downstairs to come up. The problem is cumming during intercourse with a condom. But I've learned to jackoff with the girls face there then push her to finish when I come.
Rodeo how is the performance when you mix your love potion?
I'm thinkning about venturing to sosua in April, may for 7 days. Can anyone give me a list of A. I resort close by. I live regualr hotels but I fancy resorts. I like my room and food stationary. A map or list would be great.Casa Marina Reef / Beach is the biggest All Inclusive Hotel in Sosua, two hotels were joined to form the one large hotel: http://www.amhsamarina.com/casa-marina-reef-en?lang=en-GB. I usually stayed on the reef side. Probably the least expensive AI in Sosua.
Sosua Bay / Victorian House: http://www.sosuabayresort.com/. I stayed there many times with my father and brother. My father once hooked up with a blonde Canadian woman at this hotel, he was 70 she was 30. Friendly guests used to stay at the Sosua Bay Hotel. Probably the most expensive AI in Sosua.
Sosua by the Sea may have some package where meals are included: http://www.sosuabythesea.com/
These hotels show up on Orbitz, Expedia, Travelocity.
The lifestyle rate is true, but that price probably gets you the basic hotel accommodation, nothing fancy or close to VIP service. Meals cost $10 each they're not included. Their cheapest timeshare is somewhere around $18k, which they wrongly advertise that anyone you know can use it and receive the same services as the owner. The whole place is built around a caste system in which you are worth the color bracelet you wear. Some of the negative reviews in this link tell the real story:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147290-d647825-r89914356-Lifestyle_Crown_Villas-Puerto_Plata_Dominican_Republic.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT
OK, but what do I get for $42 a night? When I think AI I think free food, free booze, and the whole nine yards. I know the AI are hurting in PP but this looks like a money losing deal. I can eat $21 worth of food easy and my booze bill would put them out of business.
Panman made reference that the discount rate is for a basic room only which I tend to believe is the case.
"Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price." is EXACTLY CORRECT.
We frequently use a wholesaler called Cheap Caribbean (there are others as well) You can go to our website and book through us (we always appreciate the business, meaning we make a commission).
Not sure if the administrator will allow the following link but I looked and found this one quickly for Gran Ventana. The one for Lifestyles at $42. 00 per night per couple is currently offered by the same company. Just type in the resort name. If the link is not posted below you can contact us directly through our website at thetravelcompany. Cc.
This is the VH Gran Ventana Beach Resort
$44. 00 per night.
http://www.cheapcaribbean.com/core/resortAvailability/cc.2757.html
Lifestyles $42 per night for two people? Breakfast, lunch, dinner and free booze at that price. I think NOT. [/QUOTE]
ISG DR has been turned into a property, yacht and marina website!
ISG is all about the adventures us fellow members have with the beautiful chicas that inhabit this island.
We all want to hear how our comrades in arms are trying to hide the sausage with these beautiful girls. Let's have a few reports of distinction and no more on topics that have nothing to do with this website and unchecked will eventually ruin it.
Twice Divorced
12-27-10, 20:25
Gran Ventana
From $44 per person per night All Inclusive!
Does anyone know of anything mongering-oriented going on in Sosua or POP on New Year's Eve? I understand this is somewhat of a family holiday in some countries. Will places like Classico's be open? I do know that Passions will not be open.
Marc Anthony
12-27-10, 20:40
The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16%.$14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out.
If the place is halfway decent I know a lot of chicas who would get a huge kick out of it, and $100 a day for room and board for both of you would make it worthwhile.
Does anyone know of anything mongering-oriented going on in Sosua or POP on New Year's Eve? I understand this is somewhat of a family holiday in some countries. Will places like Classico's be open? I do know that Passions will not be open.Classicos better be open because thats where I'm bringing in the New Year. Damn Passions is closed? Peter is always a step ahead of the game, makes me wonder if there is going to be a massive chica roundup by the cops and Peter doesn't want his girls caught up hmm.
Marc Anthony
12-27-10, 20:46
Looking at the Lifestyles links they seem to be about stilling timeshares and different tiers so it's probably 21 x2 for double occupancy plus 16% tax for basic no food / drink / facilities just a room and a hard sell for upgrade to timeshare.
The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16. $14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out.
If the place is halfway decent I know a lot of chicas who would get a huge kick out of it, and $100 a day for room and board for both of you would make it worthwhile. All Inclusive Hotels are exempt from ITBIS 16% tax and are exempt from the 10% ley tax.
Sweeper has a travel agency, inside prices are cheaper. I know oftentimes Dominicans pay much less than foreigners at the AIs. I can remembering reading an article on DominicanToday. Com, that some all inclusive hotels in Puerto Plata had to offer rates in the $20 (I believe to some travel companies or something) per night range and the owners of the AIs were pissed because they couldn't make much of a profit at those rates.
The ventana link says $44 per person, probably assuming double occupancy, so $88 per couple. Plus tax of 16%.$14, so $102 per day for the couple all inclusive. I think this is a real rate and more or less covers their marginal costs and is a desperate effort to keep up occupancy. Because they are all about their fixed costs. If you don't stay in the room they still have to pay the cleaning staff. If you don't eat the buffet food they still have to put it out. Local generic rum and beer are pretty cheap and a few heavy drinkers average out...Nice job! That sounds about right. Since 2009, Orbitz has been pricing the Gran Ventana All-Inclusive Hotel at about US$95 to US$105 a night (double occupancy, off-season rate).
My girlfriend and I stayed at the Gran Ventana at Playa Dorada in November 2009. It's a very nice hotel. I was looking for a Playa Dorada hotel with a good reputation for good food and I found it in the Gran Ventana. The hotel has three restaurants and a buffet, which are all-inclusive in the price of the stay. Also, the service is very good and the rooms had been recently renovated (2008 or 2009) in two of the three wings.
-Helpmann
SavePros321
12-28-10, 01:41
However, I have been receiving reports from chicas that the police are cracking down on chicas in the street and out in the bars. One told me she is too scared to go out in Sosua at night due to such the puta pogrom that is presently being undertaken by the powers that be and the other says she will not start going to Sosua until January. I will call more chicas to ascertain more information from them and then I will post it.It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.
Thanks for this update!
It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.
Thanks for this update! Three of my favoritas have been detained overnight by the Politur! Two others have left Sosua!
ForceSteeler
12-28-10, 03:09
It is as I predicted so many post back; the main purpose of the arrests was more so to scare the girls off and to make any others think twice about coming to Sosua. No chica can earn if she is spending the night in a jail cell.
Thanks for this update! Like I said I was there December 20, And I notice little to no difference. Classicos was packed as hell and I can still walk down and see chicas.
You have to remember they can never kill prostitution, Its impossible. Money Talks.
Look at the United States, I live in NewYork (aka Police State) , We have tons of resources like police, uncovers, feds and they still can't crackdown on everything.
I can still hobby, as long as I have the money.
These chicas in Sousa are not hoeing for Gucci Bag like the Pros in the United States. More then likely its to help there family's and for survival.
DR is a poor country and as long you have GreenBacks you will be ok,
Marc Anthony
12-28-10, 08:49
All Inclusive Hotels are exempt from ITBIS 16% tax and are exempt from the 10% ley tax.
Sweeper has a travel agency, inside prices are cheaper. I know oftentimes Dominicans pay much less than foreigners at the AIs. I can remembering reading an article on DominicanToday. Com, that some all inclusive hotels in Puerto Plata had to offer rates in the $20 (I believe to some travel companies or something) per night range and the owners of the AIs were pissed because they couldn't make much of a profit at those rates. Even better. So you think Gran Ventana is $88 straight as a public offer and possible to do even better. From Helpman's pictures and comments I conclude that's worth checking out. I think AI's like that could be a lot of fun with a chica at those prices.
1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans!
1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans!
I think the Sosua Mayor will have to erect the "Rodeo Hall of Fame Wall", sort of like what "Living Color" did for Wilt Chamberlain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lne_9zooTE
Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me!
SavePros321
12-30-10, 03:30
1130pm. Good news! By far the best night in Sosua since Dec. 3. Fifteen chicas were standing behind the Merengue Bar. Don't cancel your Sosua plans!LOL, was this a sarcastic post? But if you are saying that there were 15 chicas at Merengue but a TON of chicas in Classicos, then that is good news indeed!
Fellow deviants,
Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Rodeo
Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?
Rodeo
Fellow deviants,
Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
RodeoI visited four Sosua chicas where they lived. One lived an apartment that was located past Tradewinds and past the Palms Condominiums. Two other chicas lived at the Hotel Cubano which is one block south of hotel europa on a semi paved road. Two other chicas shared a room at the hotel romanoff, http://www.hotel-dominican-republic.net/apart-hotel-617-romanoff-sosua.html.
Fellow deviants,
Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
RodeoThe only place I would even consider would be in Sosua / Batey, they call it the Cuban's place because it is, or was owned, by a Cuban. It is a block off PC across from the Europa.
Many chicas stay in Charamicos where the hotels are generally pretty primitive in my experience. Not to mention, at night, its not always safe to wander around.
Ipanema Carioca
12-31-10, 22:01
Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?
RodeoThere is a gym in the casino building across from the Sosua Bay Resorts. I think it's called "Platinum Gym". I've never been to it, but ac chica I fuck with pointed it out to me.
Marc Anthony
01-01-11, 08:52
Fellow deviants,
Just wondering if anyone had any contact info on any of the low-cost apartments or long-term motel / hotels that the chicas from out of town use while working in Sosua. I figure one can do worse than setting up shop in the midst of a puta-oasis. A ho-asis if you will! I would imagine the prices are pretty low as well. I'm not a cheap bastard or anything, I just prefer to be surrounded by beautiful women and get a good value for where I'm living if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
RodeoHaitian chicas I went back with lived in Charamicos in a place that seemed basically like a shared reverse jail cell, just a concrete room with a couple cots and other sleeping places with door with bars (locking from the inside). There must have been some kind of bathroom down the hall. It was basically just a place you could lock up stuff during the day and yourself at night. Keeping your few possessions from being stolen and yourself from being attacked while you sleep was the main feature. This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.
Dominican morena lived in Montellano in a stand alone concrete house she rented with her sister. If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it.
The only place I would even consider would be in Sosua / Batey, they call it the Cuban's place because it is, or was owned, by a Cuban. It is a block off PC across from the Europa.Hotel Cubano, when walking east past the hotel europa in the direction of Passions, the first right (if I remember correctly) , dirt road that becomes semi-paved closer to the hotel cubano. I met some flaca chica who has staying there and I rented a room there one night. It was a one bedroom (queen sized mattress in the bedroom and a smaller bed in the living / dining-room). Old Haitian watchieman was stationed at the front entrance of the hotel at night. I stayed there years ago.
Hotel Romanoff, I was inside one morning at around 6-7am after drinking all night and swimming in the Tradewinds pool. 1/2 Colombian-1/2 Dominican chica named Azul shared a room there with a busty brunette. Their room, if I remember correctly had a kitchenette (the hotel cubano room may have had a kitchenette). There was one queen sized bed in the room the chicas had at Romanoff. Hotel Romanoff is down the block (north) from the Sosua Municipal Buildings (Also the liquor store and probably Calypso Hotel are on that street). There used to be the 24 hour bar Caperinha across the street from the hotel romanoff. The hotel romanoff, to my eyes seemed much nicer than the hotel cubano.
Good to know where the chicas live, in case they want you to meet them for an afternoon session or if they want you to meet them where they live in the daytime so that they won't be harassed by the police for walking around alone.
Charles Pooter
01-01-11, 16:44
This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.What I find interesting is how they can move from living like that to living with a gringo partner at First World standards (and sometimes almost luxury), then perhaps back to the "prison cell" again when things foul up, and take it all in their stride. You would think they would suffer psychological problems but they seem to accept it as all as the ups and downs of life and immediately adapt. I guess Haitians in particular have had to evolve that sort of mentality to endure the horrors piled on horrors that afflict them.
I watched a Mexican movie with my Haitian girlfriend the other night. The theme of the movie was the desperate conditions of many Mexican immigrants into the US and the way they are abused and exploited. This was totally lost on my girlfriend as their miserable existence was a walk in the park compared to what most Haitians experience. They ate every day, they had a bed (of sorts) each, one of the family even drove an old truck. By her standards they were living the good life.
Are there any gyms or workout facilities open to the public (even for a charge) in Sosua?
RodeoYes there is the Platinum gym that above the Casino. $500dp for the week. Has raquetball courts too. Also another gym down the street a bit, across from Casa Maria (or something like that) All-Inclusive hotel. This is more of a local gym but has more equipment. Just not as clean as the Platinum.
Manizales911
01-01-11, 17:10
Haitian chicas I went back with lived in Charamicos in a place that seemed basically like a shared reverse jail cell, just a concrete room with a couple cots and other sleeping places with door with bars (locking from the inside). There must have been some kind of bathroom down the hall. It was basically just a place you could lock up stuff during the day and yourself at night. Keeping your few possessions from being stolen and yourself from being attacked while you sleep was the main feature. This is poverty of a sort you don't see in the US. These girls are not dysfunctional at all. They are very competent but they have nothing and they are struggling to barely survive.
Dominican morena lived in Montellano in a stand alone concrete house she rented with her sister. If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it. I have been to the barrios with several chicas and your description is spot on. In some areas such as POP they will rent an "apartment" and four or five of them will live together splitting the rent. As you said, if you go into these barrios with someone that lives there you will be safe but be prepared to be "on display". You will get curious stares from almost everyone but at the same time ten seconds after getting off the moto or out of the taxi someone will put a plastic chair out for you and offer to make a run to the nearest tienda to get you (and them, haha) a beer.
In November I was in one of these barrios with one of my regulars helping her move into a new place with a couple of her friends, a real poor area just outside POP. Two minutes after I had sat down outside a guy came up to me and starting speaking to me in perfect english, come to find out he had lived for fifteen years in the same city I grew up in New England.
I love going into these barrios and hanging and partying with the locals, I have made some great friends both with benefits and without.
But to answer Rodeo's original question, it is not a place to set up your mongering camp because there aren't any short term rentals, these girls live in very poor strictly residential places with the barest of essentials.
I'm heading back next week, I have a hotel room in Sosua as there aren't any hotel options in POP but I will be in the barrios of POP during the day visiting friends and partying and prowling the bars of Sosua at night.
Yesterday did a walk through at 5pm. No chicas on the street. Mostly european guys drinking at the bars, not many Americanos. Many families up by La Roca and the beach. Even saw two Chinese family, that was different. Couples riding bikes and families pushing strollers. At Mia headed to POP not many mongeres grouped up excited about their trip, saw three African Americans and they were going to Puerto Plata. One guy was funny, he had on a nice suit going to the campo. No hot water, bathroom outdoors etc. One guy was going to SD he had a Internet girl he had been sending200 use a week. He was going with 5000usd for a week. Going to take a nap and hit the strip at 10pm.
MiamiHeatLuver
01-02-11, 03:58
One guy was going to SD he had a Internet girl he had been sending200 use a week. He was going with 5000usd for a week. Going to take a nap and hit the strip at 10pm.Gee you think that's enough? Priceless just priceless. You got to love the westernunion novio! Let me know how that PM action is going. My friends are sweating me to go down for superbowl weekend. I trust your accurate, honest assessments. Feliz Año!
I watched a Mexican movie with my Haitian girlfriend the other night. The theme of the movie was the desperate conditions of many Mexican immigrants into the US and the way they are abused and exploited. This was totally lost on my girlfriend as their miserable existence was a walk in the park compared to what most Haitians experience. They ate every day, they had a bed (of sorts) each, one of the family even drove an old truck. By her standards they were living the good life.By the standards of the Hollywood Limousine Liberals who produced, directed, and distributed that movie, the conditions they were portraying were indeed desperate. And by your Haitiana's standards,"they were living the good life." I think I've just sprained my perspective!
No, not really. But I spent $500 US on a round-trip ticket and spent $2000 US on a week in Sosua, last October. How far would that $2500 go toward meeting the basic needs of a family in the campo? (I mean, if it were parcelled out into the hands of "La Abuela," who spent it on food and cooking fuel and maybe T-shirts and shorts for the kids; not the "necessities" of a working girl on Pedro Clisante, such as hairstyling and cosmetics and what Amy Winehouse called "fuck-me pumps".)
I know I have a bare glimpse, a scant idea, of the poverty so many Dominicanas and Haitianas grew up enduring. By comparison, I believe that our homeless people in the USA have it pretty good. As for me, with my DR$2000 in my pocket and another US$2000 back in the room safe, no wonder the girls look at me as a walking ATM.
Bar Central is frequented almost solely by drunken, chain-smoking Germans with almost no Haitians. The Merengue Bar and Latino's is at least 75% Haitians.
If you have never visited in the heart of a barrio with a chica you ought to. She grew up there and was "embedded". Barrios are dense very socially complex places. Everybody is part of the show but as an outsider and a gringo you are quite entertaining. It's very easy to go home with chicas and see what it's like. My impression is that if you are with somebody who is connected to the place as their guest it's very safe. Nobody is anonymous there, somebody born a mile away but not from that barrio would stick out almost as much as a gringo. It would be possible to move in with a chica in a barrio and live with her but not to monger with other chicas you find there, a least without being very careful about it.Spot on, MA.
One of the perks of having a regular down there is that you can get very comfotable in the barrio.
First couple times you come in you will get the stares, but after a while they'll get used to you being there. I'm hooked into an extended family and they see the guys and the old folks giving me the big welcome (yeah, the plastic chairs, the beer from across the street, old ladies bringing me coffee) those stares turn into smiles and they stop by to say Hello, and check out whats going on. I pour them a plastic cup of beer from the grande Presidente I have in one hand, while holding the new baby in the other (there's ALWAYS a new baby)
Sunday they bring the music out and the plastic chairs and the girls dress up in their finest and strut their stuff (for the Dominicanos) and it's a party. The guys might bring their new girlfriend to join the group even tho the mother of their babies is sitting a few feet away, they seem cool with that. Fact of life down there. Interestingly, the guys always seem to have a relatively strong bond with the kids they have fathered, even if they are shacked up with a new chica.
I know there's some jealousy and passion beneath the surface with the chicas, but they do have a way to let it go and enjoy the moment.
I play pool with the brothers and the uncles. I drop unnanounced into the houses to say Hello, to the old folks and and I honestly feel at home there.
In fact I feel more happy at peace there than I do in my own home town. Definitely safer. I used to visit once during my week, but now I'm spending more time there during the day than I do in Sosua.
And as I'm drinking my beer with them in the shade, I'm looking over at my beautiful novia doing her family thing, and wondering how I got to be so lucky.
Highly recommended.
Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.
SavePros321
01-02-11, 19:28
At Mia headed to POP not many mongeres grouped up excited about their trip, saw three African Americans and they were going to Puerto Plata.Haha, I almost forgot about the "scene" at the airport. Even when you begin to board the plane you could always guess with accuracy who the mongers were as you walk down the isle towards your seat. And we all give each other the "I know where you are going and what for" type of look and smirk toward one another, and then have your guess confirmed when you see their ass on the Pedro Clisante later that night, LOL.
Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.I never could figure out why they permitted it?
Chief Justice
01-02-11, 21:26
Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.Sosua waving the rainbow flag. LOL
Sweeper239
01-02-11, 21:29
Are pills such as Viagara readily available? Is a perscription needed and how much for 100MG Viagara?
Thanks.
Performance is great! What's great is I don't get the headaches or flushing sometime associated with taking the pill alone. Also, something about Hennessy just makes you feel like you don't have a care in the world and can tackle any challenge, including my record 6 chicas in one day (one at be-fast, one after lunch, one before dinner, one before going out to Classico's and two together after leaving).a very full day. At some point I have to take a day to drink nothing but water. Usually that's a non-fucking day (BJs only.) , which can be hard for the sportfucker like me!
Haha, I almost forgot about the "scene" at the airport. Even when you begin to board the plane you could always guess with accuracy who the mongers were as you walk down the isle towards your seat. And we all give each other the "I know where you are going and what for" type of look and smirk toward one another, and then have your guess confirmed when you see their ass on the Pedro Clisante later that night, LOL.That's one of the reasons I never made it to Bangkok.
I envisioned 200 guys who look like me sitting on a plane for 15 hours, while the crew are handing out newspapers with headlines about the latest crackdown on pervs in Pattaya, and disgusted mothers keeping a close hold on their children.
MiamiHeatLuver
01-03-11, 17:44
Are pills such as Viagara readily available? Is a perscription needed and how much for 100MG Viagara?
Thanks. Give the Lapela a once over. Copied and paste from DR1 credit goes to original poster!
"Move over Viagra, and hello lapela.
Funy when I used to go to NY the requests were to bring a bottle of rum, dulce de leche con coco or some other dominican product that is not sold in parts of usa. Now that I have given out a few samples of La pela to my friends (on my last trip), seems like all the requests are for this same product. La pela is the generic version of cialis but more tougher (I think). This pill (20mg), makes you feel like a 16 yr old boy for up to 5 days. many women have compared their men to the energizer buddy.
I have gotten so much request to bring this pill that I hope I will not get busted in JFK customs for trafficking drugs without prescription. There is no prescription for these types of pills in Dom rep. I offered my cousin some viagra pill that were given to me by a friend, he turned them down, mind you, he was paying 10 dollars / pill in USA. Everyone wants la pela. I got a call last night from another friend who read my post about my NYC trip, he too wants a bunch of pills. Even my 67 yrs old uncle placed an order from england.
I hope the damn hoomies will pay me or at least take me out for dinner.
On my last trip, I used la pela as currency. Ex: it cost me 2 la pela pills to have me taken to airport (atl) from marrietta (50 mins drive). Then it cost me 4 la pelas for a buddy pass to atl from sti. I guess another few la pelas will be enough to take me to a nice portuguese restaurant to eat a healthy sized steak. I guess I don't even have to change pesos for dollars, I will simply take along a bunch of la pelas and spend a few good days in NYC and atlanta.
AZB"
Blk Big Bootyluv
01-03-11, 17:54
Based on the resent testimonials of out disenchanted mongering brothers, I thought this youtube video could be used to illustrate how Sosua could possibly look. Albiet this is a video intended to seduce viewers to come to Sosua, ironically the inverse is now occurring. I'm happy I saw the last of the old Sosua while I was there.
Peace,
BBL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=JaFdd7qylp0
Sosua waving the rainbow flag. LOLROTFLMAO, I don't think Sosua will get that bad. Let's hope NOT. Always remember Mr. Gogo was the first to report the possible transistion. LOL
Sweeper239
01-03-11, 20:19
Thanks for the info. Never heard of these before. Certainly sounds like they are well worth checking out. How much do these cost and how much do the 100 Mg V's cost?
Give the Lapela a once over. Copied and paste from DR1 credit goes to original poster!
"Move over Viagra, and Hello, lapela.
Funy when I used to go to NY the requests were to bring a bottle of rum, dulce de leche con coco or some other dominican product that is not sold in parts of USA. Now that I have given out a few samples of La pela to my friends (on my last trip) , seems like all the requests are for this same product. La pela is the generic version of cialis but more tougher (I think). This pill (20mg) , makes you feel like a 16 yr old boy for up to 5 days. Many women have compared their men to the energizer buddy.
I have gotten so much request to bring this pill that I hope I will not get busted in JFK customs for trafficking drugs without prescription. There is no prescription for these types of pills in Dom rep. I offered my cousin some viagra pill that were given to me by a friend, he turned them down, mind you, he was paying 10 dollars / pill in USA. Everyone wants la pela. I got a call last night from another friend who read my post about my NYC trip, he too wants a bunch of pills. Even my 67 yrs old uncle placed an order from england.
I hope the damn hoomies will pay me or at least take me out for dinner.
On my last trip, I used la pela as currency. Ex: it cost me 2 la pela pills to have me taken to airport (atl) from marrietta (50 mins drive). Then it cost me 4 la pelas for a buddy pass to atl from sti. I guess another few la pelas will be enough to take me to a nice portuguese restaurant to eat a healthy sized steak. I guess I don't even have to change pesos for dollars, I will simply take along a bunch of la pelas and spend a few good days in NYC and atlanta.
AZB"
Thanks to all who responded with info on workout facilities and chica temporary accommodations! The info will definitely be put to the test on my next trip.
I had the experience of going back to the barrio with a couple of different chicas. The first was a former Blackbeard's waitress, Ariella. When I drove her home, it was like I was entering a wasteland. Dogs were on the rooves and would come to the edge and start barking as the car went by, packs of dogs roamed the streets, some of the structures looked like they had been bombed in a war zone, the roads were horrible (think the holes on the way to Blackbeard's times 10! Thing is, she was the sweetest, quietest, well kept girl you ever want to meet. You'd never think.
The other chica I was introduced to by a friend. I think she is, basically a pimp. She knows alot of working girls and sets them up with guys on the beach in Sosua that are looking for fun. I called her to bring some girls for my friends, but, I ended up liking her the best. She (claimed) she wasn't a pro, but I talked her into riding back to my place from the beach, and. Now, you know DAMN well what happened next! Neat thing is, I guess she wasn't a pro cause she didn't ask for money. By the end of it all, I kinda felt that she might not be so I didn't insult her by offering money or asking a price right after. I drove her home to Sosua by the Sea (I think is the name) or el Batey. She brought out her 7 year old daughter. Gorgeous kid. And invited me in, but, I declined. I guess I always worry about something happening to the car if I go into one of these places. I think I slipped her 1, 000RD for "clothes for her daughter". I'm such the benevolent!
I even brought home the infamous Ybel from Blackbeards, who was staying in a small hotel in Puerto Plata. She invited me up as well and offered to let me spend the night. I declined again because of the car issue, plus her kid was there which would have put a damper on any activities that I would have been interested in.
Damn, I love chicas!
Rodeo
walked the beach at 3pm for some intel on what happens there mondays. half of the lounge chairs by the water were full (on a monday) , mostly europeans. stopped by my favorite hangout to get a dominican perspective (chief our boy k).
he said there were germans, swiss, and canadians. he stated that the germans don't like to spend money or leave tips (rubbing his elbow while talking). the italians and french spend money on good food. and mostly older germans were buying pussy, the young germans were into [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) and hanging out during the day. he said he hadn't seen any russians. he said everyone misses the free spending americans including the girls. he said he expects it to get better after the holidays.
still some p4p at the beach but its more discreet. alot of the massage and nail girls trick. what you have to do is get their number or arrange a time to meet at your hotel for a massage (wink). the rate starts at 800p-1ooop for massage with other items negoitiated. alot of these girls don't want everyone on the beach to know they are tricking.
meet three russians at a bar i frequent. these dudes were big and solid. spoke basically no spanish or english but were nice guys. i'm not tiny (6 feet. 200p) but these guys were 6; 4 and 250 pounds easy. my dominican hermano (the security guy) i hang with saw me conversating with these dudes and came over but didn't say anything. i took this as a sign from him to exit. as i stood up to shake the three russian guy hand they stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. these guys most likely had some military background. i never asked my dominican friend about these guys because i didn't want to know.
hit dees bbq ouside of passions. hand the four ribs and fries with a bottled water for 300pesos ddeelllicious. while i'm eating a female dike, two girls, one black on white and a dude (americano) walk up and order. talking about diversity in sosua thats it.
alot of people feel thing will pickup at superbowl time, so i guess thats the next big barometer to watch for. trying to debate if i'm going out tonight or just watch some tv in the room and kill a couple beers. when your used to the excitment of past years (the music, the noise, the girls everywhere) going out to empty bars, quietness, and empty streets is just fucked up. but in closing as i leave to fly out later today i will say that there is still pussy in sosua. its still affordable and gfe are to be had. but its not a mongerers paradise because the menu has been changed and there are no special on the menu for us.
Charles Pooter
01-04-11, 02:44
I stood up to shake the three Russian guys hands. They stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. These guys most likely had some military background.Of course they did. All Russian men do national service in the Army.
But that may not explain the "formal" handshake. That is common throughout Northern and Eastern Europe.
Of course they did. All Russian men do national service in the Army.
But that may not explain the "formal" handshake. That is common throughout Northern and Eastern Europe. Thanks Sir Charles, but out of curiosity do all Communist Countries have mandatory military? Cuba? China? I've always felt it should be a requirement in America but I'm ex military so I'm biased.
BogieMaker
01-04-11, 04:16
Thanks for the info. Never heard of these before. Certainly sounds like they are well worth checking out. How much do these cost and how much do the 100 Mg V's cost?The 20 mg LaPela cost 50 DOP or about 1. 38 USD and can be purchased in every pharmacy I have been in in the DR. You can also get Viagra and Cialis with out prescription. LaPela has the same active ingredient Tadalafil as Cialis. At about ten times less money.
Have never tried Viagra or Cialis but LaPela worked for me.
Hit Latinos at 10pm. More chicas working behind the bar than chicas sitting around. There are two sisters that work the bar at Latinos. Melina is now retired and married. All the other chicas had a "damn what happened look" on their faces. Hit Merengue and classicos at 12; 30 am. You could walk around without bumping into anyone. The place between Merengue and the street was empty. Saw more europeans dancing in Classicos, Sosua has lost its beat fellas. Its sad to see people dance so bad that they just step off beat. Also five guys sat next to me in Latinos and tried to strike up a conversation. All dominicanos with earrings and slight makeup. I wasnt having no convo because I was pissed Melina got married. Well one of these guys starts dancing looking like "Richard Simmons", doing unnatural male types of moves. Now my gaydar is up and these dudes are tricking I figure. Time to leave but my gaydar is up and it seems Sosua might be changing in ways we couldn't predict. No parking in front of Classicos. The open lot across from Domino bar where the guy grills chicken is wired off. El flow had 10 people sitting outside. Passions has fish tank bars and modern deco (bravo Peter). Dee from the beach is setup in the parking lot for some excellent BBQ. Sosua is very quiet during the day. No sounds of motoconchos racing everywhere. Many drunk Germans staggering down the street talking to themselves. Fantasy the new sex store has been closed for two days. Even saw a few muscle bound Russians sitting at the bars drinking water and watching everybody. Fellas try dees BBq wings in the parking lot of Passions, deeellliccciious.Very Disapointing! Since I'm on my way there in under 2 weeks! You're telling me this was a Sat. Nite? What a Bummer!
Thanks Sir Charles, but out of curiosity do all Communist Countries have mandatory military? Cuba? China? I've always felt it should be a requirement in America but I'm ex military so I'm biased.Italy has mandatory military service.
The 20 mg LaPela cost 50 DOP or about 1. 38 USD and can be purchased in every pharmacy I have been in in the DR. You can also get Viagra and Cialis with out prescription. LaPela has the same active ingredient Tadalafil as Cialis. At about ten times less money.
Have never tried Viagra or Cialis but LaPela worked for me.LaPela advertisements are very funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related
I like the 36 hour Cialis for about 380 pesos ($10US). There is another generic cialis type pill made in DR (not LaPela) it has a different name.
I had the experience of going back to the barrio with a couple of different chicas. The first was a former Blackbeard's waitress, Ariella. When I drove her home, it was like I was entering a wasteland. Dogs were on the rooves and would come to the edge and start barking as the car went by, packs of dogs roamed the streets, some of the structures looked like they had been bombed in a war zone, the roads were horrible (think the holes on the way to Blackbeard's times 10! Thing is, she was the sweetest, quietest, well kept girl you ever want to meet. You'd never think.
There are two waitress's at BB that I would die for. Are they available on a regular basis or do you have to wine & dine them to have any success
SavePros321
01-04-11, 15:25
Very Disapointing! Since I'm on my way there in under 2 weeks! You're telling me this was a Sat. Nite? What a Bummer!This Saturday night happened to be New Years Day. But Mr. Gogo did mention that the folks he talked to there expect things to pick up a little now that the holidays are over and Super Bowl is coming up.
This Saturday night happened to be New Years Day. But Mr. Gogo did mention that the folks he talked to there expect things to pick up a little now that the holidays are over and Super Bowl is coming up.I think that had something to do with the lack of chicas. Even putas like to talke the holidays off from work.
Manizales911
01-04-11, 16:31
walked the beach at 3pm for some intel on what happens there mondays. half of the lounge chairs by the water were full (on a monday) , mostly europeans. stopped by my favorite hangout to get a dominican perspective (chief our boy k).
he said there were germans, swiss, and canadians. he stated that the germans don't like to spend money or leave tips (rubbing his elbow while talking). the italians and french spend money on good food. and mostly older germans were buying pussy, the young germans were into [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) and hanging out during the day. he said he hadn't seen any russians. he said everyone misses the free spending americans including the girls. he said he expects it to get better after the holidays.
still some p4p at the beach but its more discreet. alot of the massage and nail girls trick. what you have to do is get their number or arrange a time to meet at your hotel for a massage (wink). the rate starts at 800p-1ooop for massage with other items negoitiated. alot of these girls don't want everyone on the beach to know they are tricking.
meet three russians at a bar i frequent. these dudes were big and solid. spoke basically no spanish or english but were nice guys. i'm not tiny (6 feet. 200p) but these guys were 6; 4 and 250 pounds easy. my dominican hermano (the security guy) i hang with saw me conversating with these dudes and came over but didn't say anything. i took this as a sign from him to exit. as i stood up to shake the three russian guy hand they stood up and shook my hand but first positioned themselves like military guy do when shaking someones hand in uniform. these guys most likely had some military background. i never asked my dominican friend about these guys because i didn't want to know.
hit dees bbq ouside of passions. hand the four ribs and fries with a bottled water for 300pesos ddeelllicious. while i'm eating a female dike, two girls, one black on white and a dude (americano) walk up and order. talking about diversity in sosua thats it.
alot of people feel thing will pickup at superbowl time, so i guess thats the next big barometer to watch for. trying to debate if i'm going out tonight or just watch some tv in the room and kill a couple beers. when your used to the excitment of past years (the music, the noise, the girls everywhere) going out to empty bars, quietness, and empty streets is just fucked up. but in closing as i leave to fly out later today i will say that there is still pussy in sosua. its still affordable and gfe are to be had. but its not a mongerers paradise because the menu has been changed and there are no special on the menu for us. mr. gogo i think the timing of your trip had more to do with the lack of girls than anything else. you could not pick a worse time to be there, the week after christmas is one of the slowest mongering weeks if not the slowest week of the year anywhere in la. that being said, most places i have been to during that week still had girls around just not as many. i will be in sosua next week and we'll see how it is.
At POP airpot now. Airberlin had three long lines with 50 people in each waiting for a return flight. The Germans are here. Also the Canadian lines had a steady flow.
Mani I think your right about my timing. Well see what happens upon your arrival. Tomas Scott has a direct flight from POP to Jamaica now.
Went to After one my last night in Sosua. Mostly leftovers and people who just want to party. Nice place though had no problems with security and drinks were priced fairly.
Just called for boarding Southbeach and club "Cameo" here I come.
[QUOTE=Jaosousa;
I like the 36 hour Cialis for about 380 pesos ($10US). There is another generic cialis type pill made in DR (not LaPela) it has a different name. [/QUOTE]It's called Elevex and I like the price 50P per pill and result.
LaPela advertisements are very funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related
LaPela changed their packaging several months ago. This is the new look.
http://youtu.be/lWpDe5CDV-A
In Santo Domingo you can buy LaPela at most colmados, sometimes at a very small markup.
LaPela advertisements are very funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv-EDTnM_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZ328-0fHA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzyl0n5bpQI&feature=related
Here is one more. This guy could just be me a few years down the road. Jejejejeje.
http://youtu.be/YkY1EQLA1OM
LaPela changed their packaging several months ago. This is the new look.
http://youtu.be/lWpDe5CDV-A
In Santo Domingo you can buy LaPela at most colmados, sometimes at a very small markup.Que Moderno, que chulo, chevere, jajaja or hahaha
Sweeper239
01-05-11, 14:57
Do you have any contact info for her / With the current state of affairs perhaps a point person might be helpful.
The other chica I was introduced to by a friend. I think she is, basically a pimp. She knows alot of working girls and sets them up with guys on the beach in Sosua that are looking for fun. I called her to bring some girls for my friends, but, I ended up liking her the best. She (claimed) she wasn't a pro, but I talked her into riding back to my place from the beach, and. Now, you know DAMN well what happened next! Neat thing is, I guess she wasn't a pro cause she didn't ask for money. By the end of it all, I kinda felt that she might not be so I didn't insult her by offering money or asking a price right after. I drove her home to Sosua by the Sea (I think is the name) or el Batey. She brought out her 7 year old daughter. Gorgeous kid. And invited me in, but, I declined. I guess I always worry about something happening to the car if I go into one of these places. I think I slipped her 1, 000RD for "clothes for her daughter". I'm such the benevolent!
Warn your friends.I just made a round trip through Sosua Abayo. Police had rounded up 30 Haitians and were waiting to truck them to jail.
They tried to stop my car, but I ignored them and just passed by!
I just made a round trip through Sosua Abayo. Police had rounded up 30 Haitians and were waiting to truck them to jail.
They tried to stop my car, but I ignored them and just passed by! This is NOT just a Sosua thing.
http://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/1/4/38172/Dominican-official-says-Haitian-repatriations-start-in-48-hours
SavePros321
01-05-11, 21:10
This is NOT just a Sosua thing.
http://dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2011/1/4/38172/Dominican-official-says-Haitian-repatriations-start-in-48-hours
Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.
Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.Also sad is that most of the money donated to Haiti will be lost to greed, corruption and over priced contractors.
Sad. Most of them on the back of that truck know that there ain't shit waiting for them over in Haiti.Street justice, don't try to rob a banca in DR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn418VUemSk
Monger1337
01-09-11, 06:56
I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. My only other mongering trip was to Amsterdam. Not the same. This was a hell of a fun day. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.
Chica #1: This was something I had been advised against doing, but I decided to try anyway. This Hatiana was attempting to get me to buy a massage. I ended up giving her 700RDP for the worst BBBJ and CFS I think I have ever had. She had a KNOCKOUT spinner body though. I will give her that.
Chica #2: As I was returning from this little adventure, my plan was to return to the room to clean up a little. I am staying at NG on the night in question. I run into Rochelle on my way up the stairs. Nips that stand up in practically unnatural ways by the way. This is where another lesson was learned. She told me that she would do it for whatever I wanted to give her. Then when I offer her 1000RDP for ST+go away (It was a good enthusiastic bangin' I won't dispute that. She demands 2k and refuses to leave. Finally I offered her coins, literally pocket change, and she goes away. The funny thing about it was we were both chuckling a little, me because I realized all you folks were totally right about hustler chicas as well as NG chicas in general.
ChicA#3: I took the costly plunge and tried La Passion. Those girls were SIGNIFICANTLY better looking than most of what I saw walking around this evening. It comes at a premium, but what are ya going to do? In any case she was a 21yo whose name I forgot with a spinner body, light mocha skin, and some SERIOUS enthusiasm. I have no regrets of that one.
Chica 4: This was the best of the day, though not the most attractive. I walked into CMP. Skeptical after reading what I have on this forum, but curious no less. This beautiful freckled thing named Gabby came up to me and wouldn't leave me alone. She had an english speaking friend failing miserably at helping her run the con. When I told him I was going to pay for my beers and leave after he started messing around about money. He changed his tune rather quickly. He knocked 2kpesos off of his asking price and bought me a shot trying to coax me into taking her back, seeing as I had made it clear that I wanted a different girl. She was so sweet and trying so hard though that I'm glad that I took her back to NG. It was the best Jaccuzi session I have had period. This girl was seriously into what she was doing. I managed to get rid of her paying less than planned too. I really wanted to sleep alone, so I was glad when she pulled the BS story about the amiga loca watching her kid. It knocked another good little bit off that awful CMP salida. In the end I got a few hours with her and 3 pops for just under 2k (I'm getting good at faking digging for pocket change). Seemed fair for an overpriced club girl. '
I am still nervous about attempting anything with non-pros or semi pros. I like the success stories I hear, but I have discovered my Spanish, while operatively functional, lacks the completeness that my English holds. Since I am a word fiend anyway, this makes Spanish a slow way to communicate. In any case though, my skills are improving down there.
Blk Big Bootyluv
01-09-11, 10:13
WOWOOWO Son of a at.
Street justice, don't try to rob a banca in DR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn418VUemSk
Marc Anthony
01-09-11, 16:29
Early morning, Wednesday 5 January, the National Police assisted by the Air Force military arrested dozens of illegal Haitians living in Sosúa.
The soldiers had set up checkpoints in Sosúa Abajo and El Batey next to the Texaco gas station. Here are all passing Haitians were checked for a valid visa. A visa for one year costs 200 USA dollars. Many Haitians, on their way to work on construction sites, or as a shoe, cloth or fruit vendor have been arrested. In the afternoon they were transported in buses to Dajabóand, where they were expelled to Haiti. It was a nationwide organized action against the illegal Haitians. Also for example, in Santiago and Santo Domingo on Wednesday morning, hundreds of Haitians living illegally in the country were arrested and expelled to Haiti.
Mr Enternational
01-09-11, 17:45
I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. My only other mongering trip was to Amsterdam. Not the same. This was a hell of a fun day. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.
I managed to get rid of her paying less than planned too. I really wanted to sleep alone, so I was glad when she pulled the BS story about the amiga loca watching her kid. It knocked another good little bit off that awful CMP salida. In the end I got a few hours with her and 3 pops for just under 2k (I'm getting good at faking digging for pocket change). Seemed fair for an overpriced club girl. '
I am still nervous about attempting anything with non-pros or semi pros. I like the success stories I hear, but I have discovered my Spanish, while operatively functional, lacks the completeness that my English holds. Since I am a word fiend anyway, this makes Spanish a slow way to communicate. In any case though, my skills are improving down there. Sounds like you are doing good for yourself down there. Keep up the good mongering. Don't be scared to get on the non pros and semi pros. You only live once. And the worse thing that could happen is that they could tell you no. Besides it is a great opportunity to practice your Spanish. None of us non-mother tongue Spanish speakers woke up one day and started speaking perfect Spanish. It all came word by word and day by day, just like babies learn. I still receive the Spanish word of the day through email that someone on the thread recommended a while back.
I'm in Sosua now. What an experience. This is my first time in the DR. . .. I learned a few hard lessons, but all in all I am drained enough where I don't care.Thanks for your post, it made my mouth water. LOL! What does CMP stand for? What is the current exchange rate to the USD? Would be great if you had some photos to share also.
SavePros321
01-09-11, 18:38
Early morning, Wednesday 5 January, the National Police assisted by the Air Force military arrested dozens of illegal Haitians living in Sosúa.
The soldiers had set up checkpoints in Sosúa Abajo and El Batey next to the Texaco gas station. Here are all passing Haitians were checked for a valid visa. A visa for one year costs 200 USA dollars. Many Haitians, on their way to work on construction sites, or as a shoe, cloth or fruit vendor have been arrested. In the afternoon they were transported in buses to Dajabóand, where they were expelled to Haiti. It was a nationwide organized action against the illegal Haitians. Also for example, in Santiago and Santo Domingo on Wednesday morning, hundreds of Haitians living illegally in the country were arrested and expelled to Haiti. Now imagine if we enacted something like this on the border states in the US. We'd all be branded as "racist" no doubt. Even the United Nations would be foaming at the mouth about "human rights violations" and such. I guess the darker the skin the less people care. We have a rampant illegal alien problem here on the home turf, but the folks in charge just yawn when asked to do something about it.
Something tells me that if we shared a border with Africa or Haiti then we'd see the same type of "round up" going on here.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.4 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.