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Mr Enternational
06-12-11, 04:33
Quick wifey update:

Between weather considerations, family obligations, passport and at least one expired visa, its been a over year of delays in the planning now, but she's finally got all her papers and confirmed her flight up here for July 15. Never been out of the country and never been on a plane. This could shape up as the beginning of the end, or even the end of the beginning. We'll see! Congratulations on that Oakie and good luck.

Mr Gogo
06-12-11, 05:23
It sure as hell isn't "fake black" Oakie, LOL.

[QUOTE]Well she's no Gladys Knight and I'm not that much closer to AA's. I don't need to tell you that skin color means fuck all, but culture is everything. Maybe in my next life?

Funny thing tho, now you mention it she was in the shower do the weekkly washing out of her rats nest hair and weaves. When I went in there was like brown dye running down the drain. Hey, I sad, rubbing her skin, you lie to me, you're not black at all, it's fake color! And it's coming off! I picked her up wet and naked, deposited her in the hall and closed the door. She went crazy, but she's never stopped laughing and telling folks about it.

[/QUOTE Maybe you should check out Professor Gate's historical Documentary as well (it's free!) to get a better perspective of the island's background:

Full Episode: Haiti & the Dominican Republic: An Island Divided

Thanks. I did and found it fascinating. For anybody intending to go down there more than once, I'd say it's required viewing.

Quick wifey update:

Between weather considerations, family obligations, passport and at least one expired visa, its been a over year of delays in the planning now, but she's finally got all her papers and confirmed her flight up here for July 15. Never been out of the country and never been on a plane. This could shape up as the beginning of the end, or even the end of the beginning. We'll see!Thanks Oakie for watching the video. You have alway's been a real dude. But if I was you, I wouldn't discuss it with you're mate, it might create problems. But even as your mate integrates to America with you, feel free to drop in to the Gogo forum to give us an update.

Oakie
06-12-11, 12:47
[QUOTE=Oakie; 1165172]Thanks Oakie for watching the video. You have alway's been a real dude. But if I was you, I wouldn't discuss it with you're mate, it might create problems. But even as your mate integrates to America with you, feel free to drop in to the Gogo forum to give us an update.Cheers Mr GG, as I've said before, Jas, GG, BQ, Mr E, Manz and Frannie reading your posts on this board got me into this Sosua shit in the first place, so if it goes bad, I'll just blame you guys. LOL.

But yeah, all the stuff I tell you here is real and I got pics to prove it. I have a hard time believing all this crazy shit myself sometimes. Maybe if this board was called something like "Nice people I have met in DR" I would post pics, but "International Sex Guide" (for unrepentant mongers)?

I really don't want to be I'd'd, and I don't want my chica and her family's pics posted here because they have a lot of connections in Sosua. It's a small world and everybody is online down there. Maybe I'm paranoid, but things are working out fine just as they are.

But if I was ever called out, I would PM pics to you or SavePro, or Coolie, cause I feel you guys are cool. Might do that anyway if anyone is interested.

And yeah, she'll be coming up in July, but I'm in Canada, not the States, and she'll be here just for a look see, not to move in LOL.

Big thanks to you guys for providing the "road map to happiness" for newbies like me. If they follow your advice they'll do just fine down there.

SavePros321
06-12-11, 14:45
ok, now all this columbia talk has peeked my interest. i was all set for an early december return to sosua, but i may change my plans.

what part is "better" to visit?

is it possible to see two cities in one week?

is a gfe possible?

i know this is not the board for columbia questions, but i trust the.

opinion of a few of you. you'd be doing us a huge favor by asking these questions in the appropriate forum. or just hit up the guys you saw posting (in this forum) about col via private message.

sure the sosua forum sometimes suffers from attention deficit disorder (add) but we try to limit it as much as possible.

Orgasmico
06-12-11, 16:33
ok, now all this columbia talk has peeked my interest. i was all set for an early december return to sosua, but i may change my plans.

what part is "better" to visit?

is it possible to see two cities in one week?

is a gfe possible?

i know this is not the board for columbia questions, but i trust the.

opinion of a few of you. well, i've only done mde so i can only speak to that. there is a lot of talent and its a soft landing as far as colombia is concerned. i know guys that go there just to hang out and party and not monger, but score with regular babes so gfe is possible, depending on your skills and game with putas and non-putas. there is more talent that you can handle.

i've never been to cali but i bumped into a friend yesterday that travels a lot and just got back from thailand 2 weeks ago. he is getting ready to go back to cali and calls it his second home. this guy is dark like wesley snipes and he did mention that he prefers cali because of the ability to fit in better. he also told me he wrote sosua off because its been run over by nyc and atlanta guys overpaying (i think he left out dc, lol).

i've gotten good feedback on cartagena as well. it has a beach and i think is more pricey than mde because its more of a tourist destination. i think you should check out all of these places, if you can. the 120 chicas in sosua aren't going anywhere, lol. they will be there when you decide to return. don't get me wrong, i love sosua also.

check the colombia forums on here, but also keep in mind that people have different tastes so you may want to do some outside research as well. good luck!

DeepMmpactt
06-12-11, 20:33
Thanks for the reply my brodder. Nothing compares to you my friend. You had 'them eating out of your hand.

Too bad our paths are not going to cross. I just got back from a 10 day trip there and will be returning for a month starting the 7th of Sept.

Next time let's coordinate buddy. It's great to hang with you.

Peace and Love,

ShockmanHey Shock this is Deepmmpactt, we changed our trip from, August.

To September 8th, so I look forward to partying with ya. Peace my brother.

Oakie
06-15-11, 12:29
Princessa tells me Happy Bar is closed.

Probably won't be missed by any regulars here, but the welcome hugs and dances from the half dozen or so amigas was always part of my first night check in routine.

Part of the Old Sosua scene and one of the few places I was as welcome behind the bar as in front.

A great hang out for the "Change man" Sergio,"Viagara man", and a host of others who could get you just about anything you needed.

But, I suppose having the staff dancing on the bar, and letting customers pour their own drinks is no way to run a business LOL

Marcellus
06-16-11, 01:09
By far my favourite bar in Sosua. But the writing was on the wall last February when I was last there. Business was really slow. I hope the girls find other employment fairly quickly.

Orgasmico
06-16-11, 01:10
I saw this in the Washington Post. The article was about a month old. Maybe old news here but its interesting that US gov't corruption may be rearing its ugly head in Sosua. AA politicians and black fraternity connections. I'm probably late but I haven't been paying attention to Sosua for a few years.

An investigation by the D. C. Inspector General has concluded that deputies of former mayor Adrian M. Fenty flouted procurement regulations, broke personnel rules and otherwise "failed to exercise proper oversight" of a process meant to send a firetruck and an ambulance to Sosua, a poor seaside town in the Dominican Republic.

The report comes more than two years after questions were first raised about the District government's donation of the emergency equipment. It mostly reiterates the findings of an earlier D. C. Council investigation, but the report offers new and pointed criticism of several officials. Including Fenty's development director, David Jannarone; his general counsel, Andrew "Chip" Richardson; and Deputy Fire Chief Ronald Gill Jr.

During a 2009 trip to Sosua, Gill and Jannarone improperly accepted meals, airport transportation and other gifts, the report found. And investigators said that during a subsequent investigation ordered by the District's attorney general, Peter J. Nickles, Richardson failed to disclose his prior business relationship with Sinclair Skinner, a businessman and fraternity brother who also traveled to Sosua and played a key role in the donation.

Oakie
06-16-11, 11:02
.......During a 2009 trip to Sosua, Gill and Jannarone improperly accepted meals, airport transportation and other gifts, the report found. .....Gee, wonder what those "other gifts" might be?

LOL

Oakie
06-16-11, 13:54
By far my favourite bar in Sosua. But the writing was on the wall last February when I was last there. Business was really slow. I hope the girls find other employment fairly quickly.Happy Bar is open again.

Word is the guy was spending all his money in the Casino, and the rent and taxes weren't being paid.

No secrets in Sosua LOL

SavePros321
06-16-11, 16:45
For a minute I thought this was a airplane bound for Sosua, LOL:

"Can a baggy-pants fashion trend land you in jail and clear a plane before takeoff? It can in San Francisco International Airport."

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Mans-Baggy-Pants-Cause-Planes-Evacuation-Jail-Time-123994104.html

Shockman
06-16-11, 19:23
That is great. I'll arrive a day earlier and scope out the scene for ya. I'll be staying at the NG again and looking forward to renewing our friendship and partying all night even at the risk of waking the entire neighborhood!


Hey Shock this is Deepmmpactt, we changed our trip from, August.

To September 8th, so I look forward to partying with ya. Peace my brother.

FoxesHunter
06-16-11, 21:47
Hi, I don't know at all DR and in October I will go there. Can you suggest a town where there isn't tourism or a little tourism but it is esasy to fuck?

Thanks

Frannie
06-17-11, 15:53
Hi, I don't know at all DR and in October I will go there. Can you suggest a town where there isn't tourism or a little tourism but it is esasy to fuck?

ThanksPalenque has a beach, few tourists, and you can find sex anywhere.

DrSexalot
06-17-11, 16:18
Sousua IS NOT DEAD! Of course I never saw it when it was in full bloom but what I can tell you is that the female to male ratio is at worse 5:1. And probably 4/10 girls that you see are 8s and above and very fuckable. In fact, I was with my local novia and I the girls were still looking me directly in the eye, giving me the sex face. Next time I go down, I'm leaving her ass at home and going solo. I stayed at the Terra Linda hotel. Very nice facility, much better than blackbeards, chica friendly and good food. The DR is a mans paradise and every man owes it to himself to experience it as least once. But be warned, if you go, your entire perception of American women will change. You will discover that compared to Dominican women, American women do not know how to treat / please a man. Their heads are too full of ideas of equality and worrying about their careers. I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.

Hillbilly69
06-17-11, 19:15
I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.Please let us know how the wife hunt goes!

Sounds like you got it all figured out on your first trip!

TomJackin
06-17-11, 19:27
Palenque has a beach, few tourists, and you can find sex anywhere.Frannie,

I just did a search, but to no avail. Where is Palenque?

Thanks

Charlie Horse
06-17-11, 21:58
Frannie,

I just did a search, but to no avail. Where is Palenque?

ThanksHttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabana_Grande_de_Palenque

http://www.maplandia.com/dominican-republic/san-cristobal/sabana-grande-de-palenque/

FoxesHunter
06-17-11, 22:48
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabana_Grande_de_PalenqueAre you sure at Palenque there isn't tourism and there are many fuckable girls? Did you go there? It is very close to Santo Domingo and it seems incredible that it is a good place with many girls but there is a little tourism.

Coolie High
06-18-11, 00:45
Sousua IS NOT DEAD! Of course I never saw it when it was in full bloom but what I can tell you is that the female to male ratio is at worse 5:1. And probably 4/10 girls that you see are 8s and above and very fuckable. In fact, I was with my local novia and I the girls were still looking me directly in the eye, giving me the sex face. Next time I go down, I'm leaving her ass at home and going solo. I stayed at the Terra Linda hotel. Very nice facility, much better than blackbeards, chica friendly and good food. The DR is a mans paradise and every man owes it to himself to experience it as least once. But be warned, if you go, your entire perception of American women will change. You will discover that compared to Dominican women, American women do not know how to treat / please a man. Their heads are too full of ideas of equality and worrying about their careers. I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.Glad to hear that the promise land ain't dead. Can't wait to have that feeing of being the hunted. There hungry eyes are staring you down ready to come over and put it on you LOL. I wish Aug would hurry up.

On a side note be VERY careful about bringing a honey to america cus once there Americanize it's a wrap. Age difference is an issue, do she want kids, hell do you want kids, all these things you have to worry about when bringing the woman abroad permanently. Like I was telling my boy that's going next month to Sosua I toldem theses girls might not be able to count to 10 BUT there street hustle is off the charts. They can and will concur your ass emotionally, physically and more importantly your wallet if your not careful.

My advice would be to take your time and study her. How many kids do she have, do she have a Dominican boyfriend on the side, her family situation, is she a liar or can she be honest with you and tell you truth cus I can tell you now if your not living there if you think your woman is going to be a 100% faithful while your in another country then you need to check your self. Cus I can tell you now you have a better chance of winning the lotto then your girl being totally faithful.

In any case get into your Magnum P. I. Mode and do your research on a honey before you invest long term with her.

-CH

SavePros321
06-18-11, 01:28
I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.Good luck! Your transfer of (your) wealth begins at your nearest Western Union!

Newbies: Don't try this at home!

Hillbilly69
06-18-11, 01:41
Good luck! Your transfer of (your) wealth begins at your nearest Western Union!

Newbies: Don't try this at home! I wonder how many people spit their beer or coffee at the computer screen after reading Dr Sexalot's comment?

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 01:48
The DR is a mans paradise and every man owes it to himself to experience it as least once. But be warned, if you go, your entire perception of American women will change. You will discover that compared to Dominican women, American women do not know how to treat / please a man. Their heads are too full of ideas of equality and worrying about their careers. I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.I remember guys saying this about Rio 20 years ago. I think I heard this about the DR 15 years ago. I'm sure Manila and a few other places have also been thrown in there. Too bad this guy wasn't in Sosua when a girl wanted to marry you if you bought her dinner. I guess you can't miss what you never had. Thailand, Colombia. Take your pic. Its not hard to find more user-friendly women than we have in the USA.

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 01:54
I wonder how many people spit their beer or coffee at the computer screen after reading Dr Sexalot's comment?How many stories have you heard of girls that split after they get their papers and don't need the meal ticket anymore? Keep her barefoot and pregnant and in the house before she meets a younger guy with more money in the land of milk and honey. I've banged a few babes myself over the years that got brought over to the USA by an older guy with loot.

Frannie
06-18-11, 04:09
Are you sure at Palenque there isn't tourism and there are many fuckable girls? Did you go there? It is very close to Santo Domingo and it seems incredible that it is a good place with many girls but there is a little tourism.

Yes, I have been there. My former novia's family live there. There are lots of fuckable girls anywhere you go in the DR. It is a very young population. Also any place there is a cabana, there is always a club or disco nearby where you can find companionship.

"The hotel Playa Palenque is located directly on the Caribbean Sea (about 80 meters) on the south coast of the Dominican Republic and is about 30 km west of the capital Santo-Domingo.

This area is characterized by the fact that mass tourism has not yet taken root here.

Here you can the original life of indigenous people very sociable and hospitable."

Also if you Google "hotel Playa Palenque" you can find travel reports that are quite detailed, however the software won't allow me to post the link directly here.

DrSexalot
06-18-11, 05:11
How many stories have you heard of girls that split after they get their papers and don't need the meal ticket anymore? Keep her barefoot and pregnant and in the house before she meets a younger guy with more money in the land of milk and honey. I've banged a few babes myself over the years that got brought over to the USA by an older guy with loot.Hey guys, I'm no chicas fool. I think you all are misinterpreting my statement. I'm not planning on running out and picking one up tomorrow to bring her to the US. It would be a very very very long process for me to bring a girl from the DR to the US. First of all, she must know how to fuck and suck, second of all, she must know how to take care of a man, third of all she must have NO KIDS, forth of all she can't be a prositiute. I don't want a girl that all of yall have dumping your loads inside her mouth that I have to kiss for the rest of my life. As you can see from just those 4 things, I have eleminated 99% of the chicas in the DR! Now, if I happen to find that 1, and she's faithful and loyal and makes me happy then yes, I would consider bringing her to the USA and marring her. Believe me, I'm in no rush!

OldKool
06-18-11, 05:57
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO MARRIED AND BOUHGHT A DR CHICA TO US. POOR FELW SPENT 25GS. THE CHIC STAYED HEAR 3 WEEKS WENT HOME AND NOT BEEN BACK SINCE. HE IS NOW WORKING 2 JOBS. IWOULD CALL HIM STUPID BUT dr GIRLS CAN FUCK YOU STUPID. I HAVE CHICK WHO HA FUCKED ME TO THE EDGE.


Hey guys, I'm no chicas fool. I think you all are misinterpreting my statement. I'm not planning on running out and picking one up tomorrow to bring her to the US. It would be a very very very long process for me to bring a girl from the DR to the US. First of all, she must know how to fuck and suck, second of all, she must know how to take care of a man, third of all she must have NO KIDS, forth of all she can't be a prositiute. I don't want a girl that all of yall have dumping your loads inside her mouth that I have to kiss for the rest of my life. As you can see from just those 4 things, I have eleminated 99% of the chicas in the DR! Now, if I happen to find that 1, and she's faithful and loyal and makes me happy then yes, I would consider bringing her to the USA and marring her. Believe me, I'm in no rush!

OldKool
06-18-11, 06:10
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO MARRIED AND BOUHGHT A DR CHICA TO US. POOR FELW SPENT 25GS. THE CHIC STAYED HEAR 3 WEEKS WENT HOME AND NOT BEEN BACK SINCE. HE IS NOW WORKING 2 JOBS. IWOULD CALL HIM STUPID BUT dr GIRLS CAN FUCK YOU STUPID. I HAVE CHICK WHO HA FUCKED ME TO THE EDGE.


Hey guys, I'm no chicas fool. I think you all are misinterpreting my statement. I'm not planning on running out and picking one up tomorrow to bring her to the US. It would be a very very very long process for me to bring a girl from the DR to the US. First of all, she must know how to fuck and suck, second of all, she must know how to take care of a man, third of all she must have NO KIDS, forth of all she can't be a prositiute. I don't want a girl that all of yall have dumping your loads inside her mouth that I have to kiss for the rest of my life. As you can see from just those 4 things, I have eleminated 99% of the chicas in the DR! Now, if I happen to find that 1, and she's faithful and loyal and makes me happy then yes, I would consider bringing her to the USA and marring her. Believe me, I'm in no rush!

FoxesHunter
06-18-11, 08:30
Yes, I have been there. My former novia's family live there. There are lots of fuckable girls anywhere you go in the DR. It is a very young population. Also any place there is a cabana, there is always a club or disco nearby where you can find companionship.Good news, thanks! A last question, please. If I like to book a furnished flat fpr 10 days? Is it possible? Thanks

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 10:29
forth of all she can't be a prositiute. I don't want a girl that all of yall have dumping your loads inside her mouth that I have to kiss for the rest of my life. As you can see from just those 4 things, I have eleminated 99% of the chicas in the DR! Now, if I happen to find that 1, and she's faithful and loyal and makes me happy then yes, I would consider bringing her to the USA and marring her. Believe me, I'm in no rush!There is a guy on another forum (he may be on this one too) who got a popular chica from Pasions pregnant and wound up marrying her. I guess he figured even through damn near everyone on the boards at that time had had a piece of her, he could never get anything that looks that good outside of Sosua. So he tried to turn a hoe into a housewife. I haven't kept up with it so I don't know how its going, but it goes to show that some guys will marry a hoe in a minute.

Mr Enternational
06-18-11, 12:15
I haven't kept up with it so I don't know how its going, but it goes to show that some guys will marry a hoe in a minute.Hoes are people too. But if I was to ever get hit over the head and have an idea pop into my head that I wanted to import a chick, then you best believe she would have to be a college graduate, English speaker, and capable of earning a nice income for the household. There is only so much fucking that you can do, but bills will always have to be paid and you will always need to eat.

Oakie
06-18-11, 12:29
....... the DR is a mans paradise and every man owes it to himself to experience it as least once. But be warned, if you go, your entire perception of American women will change. You will discover that compared to Dominican women, American women do not know how to treat / please a man. Their heads are too full of ideas of equality and worrying about their careers. I will say this, if you can afford to support a woman without needing her income, I would suggest importing one from the Dominican. That's my plan! First timers feel free to PM me, ill answer all questions to the best of my ablitiy.You're right about DR chicas vs American (or any other western country) women.

They've been trained to give it up from the get go, and not really expect that much in return.

But first, she's a woman and like any other woman, you've got to keep her happy or she'll make your life miserable, or she'll move on to the next guy.

You can pay a chica to act as your wife while you're on vacation. It's a permanent honeymoon and BY FAR THE BEST RECCOMENDATION. If you want that pussy full time though you got a lot of work to do.

This is the hard part, and they're pretty much all the same. Sure she need smoney for clothes and stuff, but more importantly she needs a social life that includes family and friends. (HER family and friends) she needs to be busy or she'll get bored and look for attention elsewhere. Its not all about YOU anymore!

Now comes the harder part with a DR chica.

She may be happy to spend her afternoons watching novellas on TV, but will you? She may spend two hours in the bathroom and putting on her finery getting ready to go out at 10. 00 pm, just like you do in Sosua. OK by you?

She'll need to support her (now your) extended family on everything from schooling, weddings, funerals, hospital (illness and motoconcho mishaps) and dental bills and of course, birthdays. As one of the guys here put it "There's a fucking birthday every day"

What happens if she suddenly developes the western classic "headache" just when you want to get it on?

I've had two and a half years to try to figure this out with my "beautiful, honest, trustworthy, loving" novia and I'm only halfway there.

So is it worth it? Depends. For me yeah, so far LOL.

Good luck, you'll need it.

SavePros321
06-18-11, 13:04
There is a guy on another forum (he may be on this one too) who got a popular chica from Pasions pregnant and wound up marrying her. I guess he figured even through damn near everyone on the boards at that time had had a piece of her, he could never get anything that looks that good outside of Sosua. So he tried to turn a hoe into a housewife. I haven't kept up with it so I don't know how its going, but it goes to show that some guys will marry a hoe in a minute.I've always wondered how these guys determine that it was their "magic seed" that got the pro pregnant. There is one guy in the Colombia forum asking about the status of a pro that he "accidentally" came in when the condom broke. Ignorant of the fact that her chulo / boyfriend is probably dropping seeds daily in the pro "sin condom" while he (the monger) is there visiting and after he hops his happy ass on the plane back home. There have been many people on here that have also commented on the fact that back in the campo most Dominicans don't even use condoms.

I guess there are guys that gullible who want to earnestly believe the kid is theirs based on one internal pop from "the one" (the magical monger). Maybe they take on the responsibility out of desperation or loneliness. Either way, P. T Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 15:44
There have been many people on here that have also commented on the fact that back in the campo most Dominicans don't even use condoms.And 99% of the chicas I've met with fatherless kids have had them from Dominicans. I don't talk to Dominicans in Sosua about this, but I suspect they don't pay for it either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always operated from the premise that chicas give away free booty to Dominicans, which has affected my approach with them. Some non-Dominicans that live there probably get a lot more non-pay-for-play or at least deeply discounted rates.

Now I realize that all women cost at some level, but there is a difference between a business transaction and a gift. The free booty for Gringos and GFE that existed was, IMO, made possible by all of this. This is why I cringe sometimes at the thought of the "New Sosua" and the elevation of not only prices but also the chica mindset in terms of expectations. Those of us that like these trips, not only for an abundance of sex, but also as a reprieve from the American feminist hyper competitive BS model we have over here would have relished in the "Old Sosua." So yeah, Sosua is not dead yet, but there is probably some correlation for the guys that have moved on to even bigger and, some would argue, better men's paradises.

In fairness to Dominicans, I met 2 chicas on my last trip that claim to have bambinos from gringos that live in the USA and don't support their kids either. One is a chica that met her guy through LatinEuro. Com and another is a chica that I've know since she was 17 who claims to have gotten pregnant by a black American military dude from Alabama. Like most women, they have moved on with their lives and accept the fact that God has given them a gift and they will raise the kids without the help of a man that doesn't want to be responsible (sound familiar?). Happy Father's Day.

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 15:53
Hey guys, I'm no chicas fool.I just read the POP thread. Is this chica that you want to bring back to the USA and marry from Black Beards?

DrSexalot
06-18-11, 19:09
I just read the POP thread. Is this chica that you want to bring back to the USA and marry from Black Beards?Ummm no. Although I never say never, I don't think under any circumstance that I would marry a girl that has engaged in prostitution. I don't want to taste the remnants of your cum in her mouth for the rest of my life. Sorry

Dondi135
06-18-11, 19:35
And 99% of the chicas I've met with fatherless kids have had them from Dominicans. I don't talk to Dominicans in Sosua about this, but I suspect they don't pay for it either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always operated from the premise that chicas give away free booty to Dominicans, which has affected my approach with them. Some non-Dominicans that live there probably get a lot more non-pay-for-play or at least deeply discounted rates.

Now I realize that all women cost at some level, but there is a difference between a business transaction and a gift. The free booty for Gringos and GFE that existed was, IMO, made possible by all of this. This is why I cringe sometimes at the thought of the "New Sosua" and the elevation of not only prices but also the chica mindset in terms of expectations. Those of us that like these trips, not only for an abundance of sex, but also as a reprieve from the American feminist hyper competitive BS model we have over here would have relished in the "Old Sosua." So yeah, Sosua is not dead yet, but there is probably some correlation for the guys that have moved on to even bigger and, some would argue, better men's paradises.

In fairness to Dominicans, I met 2 chicas on my last trip that claim to have bambinos from gringos that live in the USA and don't support their kids either. One is a chica that met her guy through LatinEuro. Com and another is a chica that I've know since she was 17 who claims to have gotten pregnant by a black American military dude from Alabama. Like most women, they have moved on with their lives and accept the fact that God has given them a gift and they will raise the kids without the help of a man that doesn't want to be responsible (sound familiar?). Happy Father's Day. First off these chicks will tell you anything, how do we know this dude even knows she had his baby? I know a dude that was sending money to a chick that he thought was his and it turned out it was by a dom dude. Most of us hit it and split it, it's a business deal. Sorry to hear that dudes still hit putas raw, even kissing them for that matter is crazy to me. I say that because I came I this chicks mouth I gave her a brand new toothbrush she took it in the bano and never brushed her teeth just some water and was out and left the toothbrush there never opened it. Then I saw her on the beach tongue kissing some dude. WTF Sosua will never see me again, and your right they fuck dom men for free or 200 pesos. I went to san juan fucked a chick and gave her 500 pesos she jumped up and down like she hit the lotto. Bottom line dudes are falling in love with putas that will suck anyone's dick raw at least where I'm from in the bronx on hunts point you can't get pussy or your dick sucked without a condom D R anything goes.

Dondi135
06-18-11, 19:37
Ummm no. Although I never say never, I don't think under any circumstance that I would marry a girl that has engaged in prostitution. I don't want to taste the remnants of your cum in her mouth for the rest of my life. SorryI wish I could shake your hand through this computer. LOL

Hillbilly69
06-18-11, 20:03
Sosua will never see me again.Can you tell us why?

Orgasmico
06-18-11, 20:13
and your right they fuck dom men for free or 200 pesos. i went to san juan fucked a chick and gave her 500 pesos she jumped up and down like she hit the lotto. bottom line dudes are falling in love with putas that will suck anyone's dick raw.dude, you said a mouthful (no pun intended). in sosua, it used to be that you gave a chica 500 pesos and you owned equity in the pvssy. nothing has changed other than dudes with no game and a pocket full of money driving up prices in the market. guys come on here and talk about how there are so many more chicas, but 1) there is a difference between quality and quantity and the dime pieces inevitably will have more bidders 2) chicas still often will to go home empty handed because of their perceived self-worth based on what they can get from gringos. of course, their self-perception would change if they went long without getting a gringo because they priced them self out of the market, but that rarely happens in the "new sosua."

as far as dudes falling in love with putas and trying to turn hoes into housewives, that is just a matter of doing what you did and traveling outside of sosua and being able to get with chicas in other places. all things being equal, if a guy was able to get the same chica without knowing that she worked in a spot where she drank cvm shots from raw c@cks for a living, i tend to think most guys would pic the chica that brushes her teeth with something other than any c@ck that shows up off the street. but, in order to do that, a person has to put in some time and effort. its often easier with the guy with nothing to offer but mula to just send wu to what he terms as his regulars when he comes to sosua. since these are prostitutes, its unclear what the wu buys them that other guys aren't getting when then gringo is back in nyc, but maybe some dudes just have nothing else to do with their $.

remember, there are still guys talking about the dr is cheaper than atlanta or nyc. or they justify what they spend in a 3rd world country based on what they would spend in one of the most powerful and expensive cities in the world. figure that logic. mongering is supposed to be like the 60 year old dude wearing speedos in rio. that is. for the crazy shit that you can't get away with back home, but some dudes think they can merge two completely different worlds and they often do this mentally.

Dondi135
06-18-11, 20:25
Can you tell us why?To hardcore for me people making it rain, over paying, messing up the prices for everyone these chicks want 3000 pesos are you serious! They have to pay the pimp and the police off with your money. Wow I'm in the campo all day 500 pesos for me good service 200 popina (tip) and there very happy. I was in classicos in the V. I. P. And this young chick wants me and I told her I was only paying her 1000 pesos no more she said OK. We do our thing I took some photo's I give her 1000 pesos and she throws it on the floor and says she wants 3000 because I took pictures and she sucked on my dick a little bit. Lmao wow I told her I would give her 1200 that's it then she starts crying and says she's going to call the police, I was like get the hell out my room. I took a shower and left and she was in the lobby waiting for the police to come I left and came back 3 hours later but that was my last time bro I'm done with hard core. I have some pic's somewhere I'll post them.

Dondi135
06-18-11, 21:24
Dude, you said a mouthful (no pun intended). In Sosua, it used to be that you gave a chica 500 pesos and you owned equity in the pvssy. Nothing has changed other than dudes with no game and a pocket full of money driving up prices in the market. Guys come on here and talk about how there are so many more chicas, but 1) there is a difference between quality and quantity and the dime pieces inevitably will have more bidders 2) chicas still often will to go home empty handed because of their perceived self-worth based on what they can get from gringos. Of course, their self-perception would change if they went long without getting a gringo because they priced them self out of the market, but that rarely happens in the "New Sosua."That always killed me how chicks would sit out there all day asking for 3000 pesos and would go home empty handed than settle for less money. LOL But the real side to that is they make 3000 pesos a month working a regular job so all she needs is one gringo to give her 3000 and she's set for a month, there's a sucker born every minute. Campo or not to me its still a business transaction I cannot fall in love with someone who I'm not around 247, sorry I just don't want to over pay these chicks or be a WU novia. When you see your girls pic on here then your poor heart is broken Then your in the D R and the chick is cursing you out because her WU novia told her that her pic was on the internet blah blah blah same old story. LOL

Manizales911
06-18-11, 21:35
I've always wondered how these guys determine that it was their "magic seed" that got the pro pregnant. There is one guy in the Colombia forum asking about the status of a pro that he "accidentally" came in when the condom broke. Ignorant of the fact that her chulo / boyfriend is probably dropping seeds daily in the pro "sin condom" while he (the monger) is there visiting and after he hops his happy ass on the plane back home. There have been many people on here that have also commented on the fact that back in the campo most Dominicans don't even use condoms.

I guess there are guys that gullible who want to earnestly believe the kid is theirs based on one internal pop from "the one" (the magical monger). Maybe they take on the responsibility out of desperation or loneliness. Either way, P. T Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."Most Dominicanos don't use condoms, from campo or otherwise but even less likely that he will use one in campo because he just simply can not or will not afford it.

As far as determining whether a conceived child is his it is a simple thing to do. The following is what I did:

First of all you need to wait until the child is born. Go to Walmart or any drugstore and for $30. Pick up an Identigene do it yourself DNA kit. Visit the mother and child and take a swab of the inside of the child's mouth and a swab of your mouth and mail it to Identigene and ten days later they will e-mail you the results, simple.

When my Colombian daughter was about to be born I flew in with TWO kits. The reason I did that was I knew that if I took the swabs back to the States and the test results proved I was NOT the father the family would not believe me so I took one set of swabs to take to the States and the other I took to a Colombian clinic of the families choosing, eliminating all doubters.

Yes, I am the father.

Yes, I send her mother a SMALL amount of money every month, If you must know $150. US a month.

Yes, I am an integral part of the baby's life.

Yes, I am still novio to the mother.

Yes, I soon plan to move permanently to Colombia.

Yes, I am on the baby's birth certificate as the father.

Yes, the baby automatically has the right to be a dual citizen and I hope to pick up her USA passport in August, though I had to threaten to withhold the monetary support before her mother would sign the papers.

My father always said "I may be dumb but I'm not stupid":

NO I'm NOT GETTING FUCKING MARRIED!

MiamiHeatLuver
06-18-11, 21:49
Its all negotiating skill and gift of gab. Speaking good spanish helps. I was paying a real stunner, no kids and flat stomach (hard to find in the DR) 1500 a day. I wifed it for 3 days it was so good. After 72hrs I gave her 5000 because she was so good to me, she thought she won the lotto. Probably 3 or 4 nuts daily, went to the beach together, had something hot to bang in the daytime. It was well worth it.

I never ever paid more than 2000 and thats for a TLN with at least 3 pops. But 1500-2000 is the norm MAXIMUM for me.

SavePros321
06-18-11, 21:57
From DR1: Today 05:15 AM

Okay sosua is officially dead now!

Just came back from pc and wow what a night this was. Started my night off at la rumba at 10:30 pm and there was about 15 people in the whole joint. El flow was just as bad. Went to latinos and saw about 20 people there and about 7 of them were employees. Then I went over to classicos and let's just say I've seen more people on weekdays and this was a Friday night. All of a sudden at around 2am I see a whole bunch of girls running to the bathroom, it looked like a fight broke out but then I took a second glance and saw politur and dnc running all up in the joint about 10 deep. The dj stopped playing music and one of the generals got on the mic and told everybody to relax that they were just checking for minors and that the club would then continue. Yeah right! They straight shut classicos down. When I went downstairs there were about 50 military, politurs, generales and media all over the place. They shut down all of pc. One of the politurs had the nerves to ask me for I'd when I showed my USA Passport he fleed like a little. Then I went over to the after hour spot and that was pretty much dead as well. Now through out the night I spoke to 4 politurs and none of them were happy about their new duties. They all admitted that they rather be doing something else than arresting girls. They I say willy the old mayor or governor or whatever the heck he is and he pretty much said that it's not llana the mayor that's the doing this, it's coming from the administracion de turismo up in santo domingo. He also didn't' seem to happy about what was going on. He pretty much told that they were going to continue this and the town of sosua as we know it is coming to an end. He did say one good thing though, if hipolito wins the election we could for surely expect sosua to be back to it's good old days but that won't happen til next year. I'm going to puerto plata from now on.

http://****************north-coast/115949-okay-sosua-officially-dead-now.html

Jaosousa
06-18-11, 22:03
From DR1: Today 05:15 AM.

Okay sosua is officially dead now!

Just came back from pc and wow what a night this was. Started my night off at la rumba at 10:30 pm and there was about 15 people in the whole joint. El flow was just as bad. Went to latinos and saw about 20 people there and about 7 of them were employees. Then I went over to classicos and let's just say I've seen more people on weekdays and this was a Friday night. All of a sudden at around 2am I see a whole bunch of girls running to the bathroom, it looked like a fight broke out but then I took a second glance and saw politur and dnc running all up in the joint about 10 deep. The dj stopped playing music and one of the generals got on the mic and told everybody to relax that they were just checking for minors and that the club would then continue. Yeah right! They straight shut classicos down. When I went downstairs there were about 50 military, politurs, generales and media all over the place. They shut down all of pc. One of the politurs had the nerves to ask me for I'd when I showed my USA Passport he fleed like a little. Then I went over to the after hour spot and that was pretty much dead as well. Now through out the night I spoke to 4 politurs and none of them were happy about their new duties. They all admitted that they rather be doing something else than arresting girls. They I say willy the old mayor or governor or whatever the heck he is and he pretty much said that it's not llana the mayor that's the doing this, it's coming from the administracion de turismo up in santo domingo. He also didn't' seem to happy about what was going on. He pretty much told that they were going to continue this and the town of sosua as we know it is coming to an end. He did say one good thing though, if hipolito wins the election we could for surely expect sosua to be back to it's good old days but that won't happen til next year. I'm going to puerto plata from now on.

http://****************north-coast/115949-okay-sosua-officially-dead-now.htmlAnything written on that other site, I would take with a grain of salt, that other site should be called the doom and gloom forum, the most depressing posts can be found on that other site. It is not a Monger site and I would not trust any posts from that site that deal with Mongering.

Manizales911
06-18-11, 22:08
that always killed me how chicks would sit out there all day asking for 3000 pesos and would go home empty handed than settle for less money. lol but the real side to that is they make 3000 pesos a month working a regular job so all she needs is one gringo to give her 3000 and she's set for a month, there's a sucker born every minute. campo or not to me its still a business transaction i cannot fall in love with someone who i'm not around 247, sorry i just don't want to over pay these chicks or be a wu novia. when you see your girls pic on here then your poor heart is broken then your in the d r and the chick is cursing you out because her wu novia told her that her pic was on the internet blah blah blah same old story. loli have become good friends (seriously) with quite a few sosua / bb's working girls over the years and every one of them has at least 1 to 3 wu novios. yes, all of them. not some, all.

on my last trip to sosua i met a guy sitting at the bar at new garden and the story he told me was out of this world. he bought this girl a house, filled it with furniture and appliances, a pasola, he bought a second lot and was in the process of building her mother a house, paid to bring running water to the area, etc. etc. etc. well, the guy was at wits end and almost to tears because she told him to fuck off after all he had done for her, i was fucking speechless. on one hand i felt sorry for the dude for being taken like that but on the other hand i was thinking how big of a dumbass this guy was. the look on rafael the bartender's face as this guy was spilling his heart all over the bar top was priceless.

Dondi135
06-18-11, 22:16
From DR1: Today 05:15 AM.

Okay sosua is officially dead now!

Just came back from pc and wow what a night this was. Started my night off at la rumba at 10:30 pm and there was about 15 people in the whole joint. El flow was just as bad. Went to latinos and saw about 20 people there and about 7 of them were employees. Then I went over to classicos and let's just say I've seen more people on weekdays and this was a Friday night. All of a sudden at around 2am I see a whole bunch of girls running to the bathroom, it looked like a fight broke out but then I took a second glance and saw politur and dnc running all up in the joint about 10 deep. The dj stopped playing music and one of the generals got on the mic and told everybody to relax that they were just checking for minors and that the club would then continue. Yeah right! They straight shut classicos down. When I went downstairs there were about 50 military, politurs, generales and media all over the place. They shut down all of pc. One of the politurs had the nerves to ask me for I'd when I showed my USA Passport he fleed like a little. Then I went over to the after hour spot and that was pretty much dead as well. Now through out the night I spoke to 4 politurs and none of them were happy about their new duties. They all admitted that they rather be doing something else than arresting girls. They I say willy the old mayor or governor or whatever the heck he is and he pretty much said that it's not llana the mayor that's the doing this, it's coming from the administracion de turismo up in santo domingo. He also didn't' seem to happy about what was going on. He pretty much told that they were going to continue this and the town of sosua as we know it is coming to an end. He did say one good thing though, if hipolito wins the election we could for surely expect sosua to be back to it's good old days but that won't happen til next year. I'm going to puerto plata from now on.

http://****************north-coast/115949-okay-sosua-officially-dead-now.htmlWhat are all these poor guys going to do with all there money and no place to point and click and oh make it rain. LOL

Dondi135
06-18-11, 22:27
Its all negotiating skill and gift of gab. Speaking good spanish helps. I was paying a real stunner, no kids and flat stomach (hard to find in the DR) 1500 a day. I wifed it for 3 days it was so good. After 72hrs I gave her 5000 because she was so good to me, she thought she won the lotto. Probably 3 or 4 nuts daily, went to the beach together, had something hot to bang in the daytime. It was well worth it.

I never ever paid more than 2000 and thats for a TLN with at least 3 pops. But 1500-2000 is the norm MAXIMUM for me. 5000 pesos plus beers and comida all day (breakfast, lunch, dinner) its your money spend it how you like but a chick never spends the night with me hang out late only then she's got to get the hell out. I can't sleep with no chick snoring. Air Conditioner, firm bed, hot water the best time they had compared to sleeping in there shack.

Hummer Bird
06-18-11, 23:51
ours later but that was my last time bro I'm done with hard core. I have some pic's somewhere I'll post them.Pic. 187 makes me supremely jealous!

Sorry to hear of the probs, I am sure it will iron itself out, as they will be fuck ed hard if not. Go back to skinning fish and sucking the fishermans dick for a dollar!

Uktraveler
06-19-11, 00:15
Disregard Sousa / mongering newbies, self appointed moderators and serial posters on this thread.

Here are the facts:

1) Sousa is dead.

2) Dominican and Haitian hookers fuck their respective pimps, novios and friends for free.

3) Never export.

Deal with it.

Frannie
06-19-11, 00:17
Good news, thanks! A last question, please. If I like to book a furnished flat fpr 10 days? Is it possible? ThanksI don't know. There are a couple of hotels there that you can Google, but it isn't a tourist place, which is what you asked for.

Dondi135
06-19-11, 00:28
Pic. 187 makes me supremely jealous!

Sorry to hear of the probs, I am sure it will iron itself out, as they will be fuck ed hard if not. Go back to skinning fish and sucking the fishermans dick for a dollar! Don't be jealous my brother for 3000 pesos you can have her too, and 100 pesos for the motoconcho ride home. LOL.

P. S. Isn't that a killer you give them all that money and they still try to beat you over the head for a beer or a moto ride home got to love it.

Frannie
06-19-11, 00:33
From DR1: Today 05:15 AM.

[i]Okay sosua is officially dead now!

Just came back from pc and wow what a night this was. Started my night off at la rumba at 10:30 pm and there was about 15 people in the whole joint. El flow was just as bad. Went to latinos and saw about 20 people there and about 7 of them were employees. Then I went over to classicos and let's just say I've seen more people on weekdays and this was a Friday night. I guess the Politur must have read my post of a few months ago in which I complained that you couldn't walk down the sidewalk Calle Pedro Clissante at night without being attacked by chicas grabbing your crotch or your wallet. Took them a while to get to it, but nice to know they pay attention to the posts here.

I shall be in Sosua in a week or two and staying for several weeks, so it will be nice to know I can have my pick of all the local women without any competition from mongers. Oh, well, such is life. Should be there around July 1st. If anyone needs help to find chicas in the post-nuclear Sosua, just drop me a pm

Dondi135
06-19-11, 00:39
I guess the Politur must have read my post of a few months ago in which I complained that you couldn't walk down the sidewalk Calle Pedro Clissante at night without being attacked by chicas grabbing your crotch or your wallet. Took them a while to get to it, but nice to know they pay attention to the posts here.

I shall be in Sosua in a week or two and staying for several weeks, so it will be nice to know I can have my pick of all the local women without any competition from mongers. Oh, well, such is life. Should be there around July 1st. If anyone needs help to find chicas in the post-nuclear Sosua, just drop me a pmHey fran it's going to be all dudes in classicos no chicks so brace your self. LOL

SavePros321
06-19-11, 00:41
I shall be in Sosua in a week or two and staying for several weeks, so it will be nice to know I can have my pick of all the local women without any competition from mongers.I don't think slim pickins' is anything to brag about, LOL. Once the word gets out that arrests are back on the table with the media now in tow, you may very well indeed have the town all to yourself, LOL. But maybe the politur will feel bad enough for you to buy you a Presidente!

Orgasmico
06-19-11, 01:17
And this young chick wants me and I told her I was only paying her 1000 pesos no more she said OK. We do our thing I took some photo's I give her 1000 pesos and she throws it on the floor and says she wants 3000 because I took pictures and she sucked on my dick a little bit. Lmao wow I told her I would give her 1200 that's it then she starts crying and says she's going to call the police, I was like get the hell out my room. I took a shower and left and she was in the lobby waiting for the police to come I left and came back 3 hours later but that was my last time bro I'm done with hard core. I have some pic's somewhere I'll post them.Thanks for the pics, bro. I've had shit like this happen numerous times. On my last trip I had 2 chicas and one chico called the cops on me for various BS. The chico "works" at El Flow and invited me in for a free bear cause he said they needed people siting around so people would be enticed to leave Rumba and come over. I was hesitant but said what the heck and took the beer. Then he starting drinking a rum and coke and he and the waitress offered me one. I made it clear I had no money and they said no problem it was on the house. Well of course when I decide to leave the guy all of a sudden wants me to pay for the drinks he supposedly gave me for free. I told him to go fuck himself. I walked out and headed towards Pasions. He followed me and I told him I would kick his ass if he said anything else to me so he said he would call the police and he did. I told the police what happened in Spanish and they told the guy he was drunk and not to bother me and I went about my merry way.

The chica situations were similar to yours except I decided not to give the hoes any money because that was our initial agreement. I asked them if they wanted to take a walk with me from Clasicos and I said I wasn't going to pay them shit. Somehow we always wind up in my room and they want money so I kick them out and they call the police. Again I explain to the police in Spanish what the fuck went down and also talk to them about other general shit like baseball, etc and they eventually shrug their shoulders at the girls and tell them there is nothing they can do. This is not recommended if you fear reprisal by the chico or some chulo at some point, but I don't GAF.

When ever I see the police now they always speak and we have a general convo about Sosua and the chicas. No biggie. Am I proud of this BS? Hell no, but I don't knowingly let people get over on me, even on vacation. I understand that others would let shit go and just pay, thatz not me.

Orgasmico
06-19-11, 01:29
TBut the real side to that is they make 3000 pesos a month working a regular job so all she needs is one gringo to give her 3000 and she's set for a month, there's a sucker born every minute.You've heard of the tech bubble or the housing bubble? Well only Americans can cause the Sosua bubble. Maybe the Sosua market can reset now. Maybe the crackdown can help this.

When Nike outsources US jobs to Asia, does Nike say "we should pay the Asians $40 an hour plus benefits and that is still cheaper that what it would cost to produce in the USA?" Hell fuckin no. Nike says "what is the market in Asia and that is what we are going to pay"

You are smart if you anchor what you are willing spend to the local market, as you indicted above. You are not smart if you anchor yourself to what you would pay in San Francisco when you are in a 3rd world country. Yet in the New Sosua guys talk about it still being cheaper than the $150 they pay for a hooker at Hunts Point in the Bronx.

Frannie
06-19-11, 01:34
I don't think slim pickins' is anything to brag about, LOL. Once the word gets out that arrests are back on the table with the media now in tow, you may very well indeed have the town all to yourself, LOL. But maybe the politur will feel bad enough for you to buy you a Presidente!I hope so, though mostly I'm not really into the bar scene. You can find chicas easily enough by walking around and talking to people, and chicas will often hook you up with their friends too. The culture of young women selling sex for money will not change overnight, it will just be driven underground a bit. It just won't be so good for the guys who travel in groups and don't speak Spanish.

Orgasmico
06-19-11, 01:35
Should be there around July 1st. If anyone needs help to find chicas in the post-nuclear Sosua, just drop me a pmGuys that need their hand held to find pvssy can still pay thousands of pesos at places like Clasicos and CMP.

Dondi135
06-19-11, 01:35
When ever I see the police now they always speak and we have a general convo about Sosua and the chicas. No biggie. Am I proud of this BS? Hell no, but I don't knowingly let people get over on me, even on vacation. I understand that others would let shit go and just pay, thatz not me.Your a stand up guy I like that when the police see you not scared there on your side. A guy on my job told me when I first started mongering never speak to men in the dom rep there only job is to get in your pockets. Who really needs some dude to get a chick for you in a working girl town?

Orgasmico
06-19-11, 01:36
Guys that need their hand held to find pvssy can still pay thousands of pesos at places like Pasions and CMP

Dondi135
06-19-11, 01:52
Yet in the New Sosua guys talk about it still being cheaper than the $150 they pay for a hooker at Hunts Point in the Bronx.Really they don't understand the game I remember having a thousand bucks (USA) in my pocket and will still walk away from a dime piece if she over price me. Some guy's go there just to fuck good looking chicks no matter what the cost as long as it's still cheaper than the USA

Dondi135
06-19-11, 01:57
It just won't be so good for the guys who travel in groups and don't speak Spanish.Well the chicks understand $$$$ that's all they need to say freakie freakie how much! They don't need a guide for that. LOL

Orgasmico
06-19-11, 02:19
This was a 1, 500 peso chica. Good head and pvssy, anal, pics, vids, etc. I would still only put her at 1, 000 pesos so I know I overpaid. I would not pay her more than 1, 000 pesos if we hook up again.

Manizales911
06-19-11, 03:15
I hope so, though mostly I'm not really into the bar scene. You can find chicas easily enough by walking around and talking to people, and chicas will often hook you up with their friends too. The culture of young women selling sex for money will not change overnight, it will just be driven underground a bit. It just won't be so good for the guys who travel in groups and don't speak Spanish.I agree entirely Frannie. The politur may or may not change the way the town looks but those girls aren't going anywhere, they live and work in the DR and have no choice but to continue to do what they do so I for one am not concerned for a second. The spanish-less "make it rain" weekend warriors will be screwed and I won't shed a fucking tear. I did make a backup copy of my little black book just in case, hahaha.

Mr Gogo
06-19-11, 04:26
Yes, thanks for posting Tomjacking. We are in all agreement that Sosua still has pussy, but not like before. There is also still night time hangout spots. And that Sosua has a more family feel during the day. But I'm not the type of guy that would tell people that Sosua is the same as it always has been, and mislead people. Because I take this honest stance, some people assume I'm wishing for the downfall of Sosua. It's not hard to see the direction that the powers in charge want the "New Sosua" to go. Police harassment, more families, less mongerers and with 50% vacancy at NG, the plan is working and proceeding. But some mongerers here want me to say everyting is perfect. I respect your opinion Mani, and we are cool even when we disagree. But considering the money that I used to spend in Sousua bi monthly, to have someone say "Fuck you and your money, we don't want it" doesn't sit well with me. And your correct everyplace is going to have an lull, maybe this is just that.

But I will say this, its about to come to a pivital point. The family plan or back to the mongerers Sosua, they both can't co exist. Another site is complaining about the NY boys coming down in big groups for the weekends. All it takes is one big incident and the hookers and mongerers will be blamed. Then we will see the final crackdown. But guys can always go to La Passions, that will then be full of mongerers, and come back here and write" Sure Classicos is closed but there is plenty of pussy in Passions and Sosua is far from dead".My post on June 2nd 2011, and people said I was crazy, and hating on Sosua. Classicos is the final frontier, say what you want when everyone is taking a number to wait in line at La Passions, but I've already abandonned ship.

SavePros321
06-19-11, 05:15
Anything written on that other site, I would take with a grain of salt, that other site should be called the doom and gloom forum, the most depressing posts can be found on that other site. It is not a Monger site and I would not trust any posts from that site that deal with Mongering.I would agree with you except that there were others in town that have also verified what happened Friday night. I also agree that there is a lot of "doom and gloom" at the other site, but it is still better (for me at least) to have more than one source of information. They can't all be liars. It's the same way one would suspect that all the reports about "Sosua Ain't Dead" to be lies.

"Sosua Ain't Dead"

DR1: "LIARS!"

"Sosua IS Dead"

ISG: "LIARS!"

Somebody's lying, lol!

But if anyone knows first-hand that what was reported to have happened on Friday in Sosua is a lie then please speak up! Sidney, can you comment?

Dondi135
06-19-11, 06:19
This was a 1, 500 peso chica. Good head and pvssy, anal, pics, vids, etc. I would still only put her at 1, 000 pesos so I know I overpaid. I would not pay her more than 1, 000 pesos if we hook up again.Hey she gave you anal that's worth the 1500 to me, she had a good attitude didn't rush you then it was money well spent. I like that snake spinning around her ass!

TomJackin
06-19-11, 06:37
I got this e-mail from a friend that is there right now:

"They caught a bunch of minors in classicos last night and arrested at least 30 chicas before that. Tonight from 7-11 was absolute biblical rain + Classico was closed and 90% of other places closed before 12 on Saturday."

Doesn't sound promising whatsoever!

SavePros321
06-19-11, 06:41
Most Dominicanos don't use condoms, from campo or otherwise but even less likely that he will use one in campo because he just simply can not or will not afford it.

As far as determining whether a conceived child is his it is a simple thing to do. The following is what I did:

First of all you need to wait until the child is born. Go to Walmart or any drugstore and for $30. Pick up an Identigene do it yourself DNA kit. Visit the mother and child and take a swab of the inside of the child's mouth and a swab of your mouth and mail it to Identigene and ten days later they will e-mail you the results, simple.

When my Colombian daughter was about to be born I flew in with TWO kits. The reason I did that was I knew that if I took the swabs back to the States and the test results proved I was NOT the father the family would not believe me so I took one set of swabs to take to the States and the other I took to a Colombian clinic of the families choosing, eliminating all doubters. Good info, and thanks. Don't have any kids but now I know the drill in case this ever comes up!

SavePros321
06-19-11, 06:42
I got this e-mail from a friend that is there right now:

"They caught a bunch of minors in classicos last night and arrested at least 30 chicas before that. Tonight from 7-11 was absolute biblical rain + Classico was closed and 90% of other places closed before 12 on Saturday."

Doesn't sound promising whatsoever! Thank you for getting this info for us Tomjackin.

Dondi135
06-19-11, 06:52
i have become good friends (seriously) with quite a few sosua / bb's working girls over the years and every one of them has at least 1 to 3 wu novios. yes, all of them. not some, all.

on my last trip to sosua i met a guy sitting at the bar at new garden and the story he told me was out of this world. he bought this girl a house, filled it with furniture and appliances, a pasola, he bought a second lot and was in the process of building her mother a house, paid to bring running water to the area, etc. etc. etc. well, the guy was at wits end and almost to tears because she told him to fuck off after all he had done for her, i was fucking speechless. on one hand i felt sorry for the dude for being taken like that but on the other hand i was thinking how big of a dumbass this guy was. the look on rafael the bartender's face as this guy was spilling his heart all over the bar top was priceless. guy's will read this and go out and still build a house that's the sad part, some guys are very smart but not street smart and a 3rd grade education chick get's over them. priceless

Dondi135
06-19-11, 06:58
When my Colombian daughter was about to be born I flew in with TWO kits. The reason I did that was I knew that if I took the swabs back to the States and the test results proved I was NOT the father the family would not believe me so I took one set of swabs to take to the States and the other I took to a Colombian clinic of the families choosing, eliminating all doubters.

Yes, I am the father.

Yes, I send her mother a SMALL amount of money every month, If you must know $150. US a month.

Yes, I am an integral part of the baby's life.

Yes, I am still novio to the mother.

Yes, I soon plan to move permanently to Colombia.

Yes, I am on the baby's birth certificate as the father.

Yes, the baby automatically has the right to be a dual citizen and I hope to pick up her USA passport in August, though I had to threaten to withhold the monetary support before her mother would sign the papers.

My father always said "I may be dumb but I'm not stupid":

NO I'm NOT GETTING FUCKING MARRIED! I like the way you broke that down bro handle your biz. Very true on the dom condom thing so true!

Berthold
06-19-11, 17:42
I don't know. There are a couple of hotels there that you can Google, but it isn't a tourist place, which is what you asked for.I second that, I live about a 20 minute drive away from the beaches in Najayo and a little longer to Palenque.

Those places are not popular tourist places, Palenque and Najayo are only popular to dominicans

Sam 14
06-19-11, 20:56
Will you guys let me know please. I know the first thing you're going to say is don't do it, it' dangerous as hell. I know, I've seen friends die in Thailand. But is it possible to rent a small motorbike there in Sosua. Or Puerta Plata, or even Santiago, or the capital. If so, how much, you think. 200 a day. 300. 400.

Thanks alot in advance.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-20-11, 01:50
Will you guys let me know please. I know the first thing you're going to say is don't do it, it' dangerous as hell. I know, I've seen friends die in Thailand. But is it possible to rent a small motorbike there in Sosua. Or Puerta Plata, or even Santiago, or the capital. If so, how much, you think. 200 a day. 300. 400.

Thanks alot in advance. I always rent a pasola (scooter) down there every time I'm there, $20/day my boy rents a suzuki 125 (new) for I think $25/day? Next to Europa on Clisante. (Cindy Rental). They ask you for a drivers license or passport as collateral, I obviously always leave my drivers license.

Mr Enternational
06-20-11, 04:57
This was a 1, 500 peso chica. Good head and pvssy, anal, pics, vids, etc. I would still only put her at 1, 000 pesos so I know I overpaid. I would not pay her more than 1, 000 pesos if we hook up again.You must have missed the discussion on her two or three weeks ago.

Hillbilly69
06-20-11, 16:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4S7jafRlJ0

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php

Friday night from 2 AM until 6 AM a large force of military and tourist police (Politur) checked in all bars of Sosúa the women, sometimes in a heavy-handed manner, for a valid I'd or residence permit.

Raids in SosúaIf the person didn't have a valid identity card (cedula) , she was taken into custody. Reporters from the local TV station 'La Costa Norte Network TV' who wanted to capture these overly heavy-handed arrests on video, were threatened and prevented from working. There were even some bars closed. The coordinator of these raids Major General Pedro Antonio Cáceres Chestaro, said that also in surrounding municipalities including Cabarete they handle the same way.

B J Lover
06-20-11, 20:01
I'm discouraged. I missed Sosua's hey day, Rio seems to be dying now with the closure of Help. Where is that new hot latina spot somewhere in the world that is just now getting its legs? Colombia is not it? Costa Rica is not it? Fortaleza Brazil? Please, does anyone know the place that is the natural succession to all these dying stars?

Orgasmico
06-20-11, 20:47
I'm discouraged. I missed Sosua's hey day, Rio seems to be dying now with the closure of Help. Where is that new hot latina spot somewhere in the world that is just now getting its legs? Colombia is not it? Costa Rica is not it? Fortaleza Brazil? Please, does anyone know the place that is the natural succession to all these dying stars?Trust me. Places have been found, but people have been burned enough to know not to post everything on the Net. Geographical arbitrage works best when information is asymmetrical.

Drlawyer
06-20-11, 21:00
Trust me. Places have been found, but people have been burned enough to know not to post everything on the Net. Geographical arbitrage works best when information is asymmetrical.You are correct Sir! Truer words have never been spoken.

B J Lover
06-20-11, 21:05
I won't tell!

Hillbilly69
06-21-11, 10:42
The popular Merenguebar and nightclub D'Clasico have been closed by the government for an indefinite period. The military and police announce that they have encountered minors and drugs on checking the bar and nightclub. Although the control on drugs and age at the entrance to the nightclub is severe, local visitors must show their identity card and everybody is searched at the entrance, but it appears that some unwanted visitors passed through the check. Is this the end for the nightlife in Sosúa? The editors took a Sunday stroll through the main road and found that: it was quiet in the Pedro Clisante. There hardly were any customers in Central bar and the three Politur officers posting in the street did not made it more attractive to visit the bar. The Rumbabar, El Flow and Bermuda bar had a few customers. It was not that busy there.

Merengue bar closed.

After midnight at the bar / disco Latinos (Willy el Chamo, the vice mayor, is he the owner?) , it was very busy. The visitors (tourists and locals) showed up in large numbers and queued up at the entrance where there was a strict age and drugs control. Also local women alone lined up waiting to enter. For the rest it was very quiet in the Pedro Clisante.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php

Sidney
06-21-11, 12:06
The popular Merenguebar and nightclub D'Clasico have been closed by the government for an indefinite period. The military and police announce that they have encountered minors and drugs on checking the bar and nightclub. Although the control on drugs and age at the entrance to the nightclub is severe, local visitors must show their identity card and everybody is searched at the entrance, but it appears that some unwanted visitors passed through the check. Is this the end for the nightlife in Sosúa? The editors took a Sunday stroll through the main road and found that: it was quiet in the Pedro Clisante. There hardly were any customers in Central bar and the three Politur officers posting in the street did not made it more attractive to visit the bar. The Rumbabar, El Flow and Bermuda bar had a few customers. It was not that busy there.

Merengue bar closed.

After midnight at the bar / disco Latinos (Willy el Chamo, the vice mayor, is he the owner?) , it was very busy. The visitors (tourists and locals) showed up in large numbers and queued up at the entrance where there was a strict age and drugs control. Also local women alone lined up waiting to enter. For the rest it was very quiet in the Pedro Clisante.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.phpLatino's has become the 'spot'. Beginning about 9pm. Last night, The Haitianas began to return. Some of the same chicas that hung in Merengue. The only positive from all the Gestapo tactics is: It is a cheaper scene for all 'locals' like me, with regulars and phone numbers.

DeepMmpactt
06-22-11, 01:39
Trust me. Places have been found, but people have been burned enough to know not to post everything on the Net. Geographical arbitrage works best when information is asymmetrical.This whole site was built on information sharing, If it wasnt for someone sharing on this.

Site, I wouldve never visited, The Dominican Republic, and this valuble information shared,

Was priceless. It made 7 wonderful trips made possible, the reason I asked are we being,

Hypercrites? This site was created solely, for the purpose of information sharing, but we.

Somehow think, its ok, for US to get information, on possible new mongering location, and.

We are not the so called, weekend thugs, whatever the hell that means, anyway, I feel We.

Are being two faced, on one hand, bugg the hell, out of people, to information share, then.

On the other hand. Hush up, keep quiet on new locations, because we want to have it.

All to ourselves, but newsflash. Everyplace new or old will eventually comeout, and.

To those mongers, that horde this information of these, so called secret, wonderful places,

You have stumbled onto, needs more than just your, measily dollars to function!

It needs more than just you, and at one point and time, someone, shared information with you,

When you were frickin clueless, so thankyou to all the information sharers, I would've.

Been lost and clueless without you. Please chime in.

SavePros321
06-22-11, 02:26
Hey Guys! I just booked for July 21-25 to POP. This is both my wingman and I first trip to D. R. And I'm looking for some feedback on whether to go to BB or Sosua or possibly a combination of the the two. We are pretty much winging it so ANY recommendations would be appreciated. We are thinking about BB first and then Sosua to round out the trip. Please Help! I'm coming to you guys as a humble student of the monger gameRTFF.

READ the posts in the this forum from the past few days, then make your decision.

FYI, if you are planning to stay at BB's it probably would have been wiser to make sure they had rooms available for your travel dates before booking your flight. Given the recent events in Sosua I wouldn't be surprised if they are booked solid for the rest of the year.

SavePros321
06-22-11, 02:56
Latino's has become the 'spot'. Beginning about 9pm. Last night, The Haitianas began to return. Some of the same chicas that hung in Merengue. The only positive from all the Gestapo tactics is: It is a cheaper scene for all 'locals' like me, with regulars and phone numbers.This is just "skeptical me" talking, but is it possible that once Latino's gets hopping (a*k*a* become know as "the spot") they will "plant" minors and drugs in it and get that one shut down as well? Classicos has been operating without incident all of these years and now all of a sudden...

Jaosousa
06-22-11, 03:28
This is just "skeptical me" talking, but is it possible that once Latino's gets hopping (a*k*a* become know as "the spot") they will "plant" minors and drugs in it and get that one shut down as well? Classicos has been operating without incident all of these years and now all of a sudden.Karma.

The Italian guy who owns Classicos and Merengue is not the nicest fellow and in my mind he had something to do with the murder of an American lawyer who was living in Sosua.

I feel bad for the workers at Classicos and Merengue, but less income for the Italian guy named Armando, with the closure of Classicos and Merengue Bar, I have no problem.

The pros will just hang out in other bars waiting for clients.

Hillbilly69
06-22-11, 11:36
Karma.

The Italian guy who owns Classicos and Merengue is not the nicest fellow and in my mind he had something to do with the murder of an American lawyer who was living in Sosua.

I feel bad for the workers at Classicos and Merengue, but less income for the Italian guy named Armando, with the closure of Classicos and Merengue Bar, I have no problem.

The pros will just hang out in other bars waiting for clients. Still it's quite convienent Classico's was closed and the vice Mayor of Sosua's Club Latinos is still open.

Hillbilly69
06-22-11, 11:41
just now (1 pm local time tuesday) , the approximately 50 employees of merengue bar and disco classico held a protest march through sosúa. they protest against the unjustified closure of the two bars and demand that they can return to work again. according to the spokeswoman of the staff it is not just them but also motoconchos, surrounding restaurants and even the politur depending on the business to make their daily living. in front of the town hall the spokes women held a speech for the local media present.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php

SavePros321
06-22-11, 13:36
just now (1 pm local time tuesday) , the approximately 50 employees of merengue bar and disco classico held a protest march through sosúa. they protest against the unjustified closure of the two bars and demand that they can return to work again. according to the spokeswoman of the staff it is not just them but also motoconchos, surrounding restaurants and even the politur depending on the business to make their daily living. in front of the town hall the spokes women held a speech for the local media present.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.phpbut remember we were told not too long ago by a couple of folks on this board that "the monger dollar ain't shit!", lol!

so you mean the new tourist crowd in sosua haven't been patronizing the local restaurants and motochonocho's? those cheap bastards! one family was reported to be expected to spend the equivalent of all of our yearly monger dollars (spent in sosua) combined, lol!

Mr Gogo
06-22-11, 19:28
But remember we were told not too long ago by a couple of folks on this board that "the monger dollar ain't shit!", LOL!

So you mean the new tourist crowd in Sosua haven't been patronizing the local restaurants and motochonocho's? Those cheap bastards! One family was reported to be expected to spend the equivalent of all of our yearly monger dollars (spent in Sosua) combined, LOL! Exactamente. Most family tourists are on tight budgets. Most mongerers are free spenders. I always set a budget before each trip but after the first day thats forgotten. I always spend double what was expected. Most families eat in, walk around sightseeing and don't spend alot of money on drinking and partying. But don't get BQ started, I hear he hit the lotto and purchased an oceanside villa with an all female staff. He now spends his days in a hammock being fed fruit.

Whats odd is that I always saw more young girls walking around latinos than Classicos. Makes me wonder if this board is being monitored. Lately the talk has been Classicos and the incoming ex Brazil guys, then bam, Classicos is shut down.

Also I'm seeing alot of newbies with their standard introduction (BB or Sosua and I promise to give a detailed report). Hillbilly, Sidney, Jao, orgasmo, and savepros are providing the best intel. Also the Sd board is hot with Jaos party coming.

Also being I know security, I don't understand the tactics being used now. A midnight curfew would of had the same effect, with less artillery. I get nervous when I see a Dominican policeman with his gun drawn, because (1). They can kill you accidentally and get away with it, (2). I don't know their level of arms training in crowd situations. Can you imagine sitting in Classicos and 50 police run in with their arms drawn (talking about losing you buzz).

Blk Big Bootyluv
06-23-11, 00:08
Shocked with mouth hanging open!

Peace BBL.


The popular Merenguebar and nightclub D'Clasico have been closed by the government for an indefinite period. The military and police announce that they have encountered minors and drugs on checking the bar and nightclub. Although the control on drugs and age at the entrance to the nightclub is severe, local visitors must show their identity card and everybody is searched at the entrance, but it appears that some unwanted visitors passed through the check. Is this the end for the nightlife in Sosúa? The editors took a Sunday stroll through the main road and found that: it was quiet in the Pedro Clisante. There hardly were any customers in Central bar and the three Politur officers posting in the street did not made it more attractive to visit the bar. The Rumbabar, El Flow and Bermuda bar had a few customers. It was not that busy there.

Merengue bar closed.

After midnight at the bar / disco Latinos (Willy el Chamo, the vice mayor, is he the owner?) , it was very busy. The visitors (tourists and locals) showed up in large numbers and queued up at the entrance where there was a strict age and drugs control. Also local women alone lined up waiting to enter. For the rest it was very quiet in the Pedro Clisante.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php

B J Lover
06-23-11, 00:25
Hey Guys! I just booked for July 21-25 to POP. This is both my wingman and I first trip to D. R. And I'm looking for some feedback on whether to go to BB or Sosua or possibly a combination of the the two. We are pretty much winging it so ANY recommendations would be appreciated. We are thinking about BB first and then Sosua to round out the trip. Please Help! I'm coming to you guys as a humble student of the monger gameI stopped going to BB's because of all the dam rules. Can't stand it for more than a day, but I must admit it is a good start for newbies.

I like free range hunting and I'm assuming you have made some hotel accommodations by now, or you may be SOL, but go to Sosua. I'll be in town July 1-4 to check out things for myself, so wait for my return report, then decide.

JukeJointJay1
06-23-11, 01:29
I stopped going to BB's because of all the dam rules. Can't stand it for more than a day, but I must admit it is a good start for newbies.

I like free range hunting and I'm assuming you have made some hotel accommodations by now, or you may be SOL, but go to Sosua. I'll be in town July 1-4 to check out things for myself, so wait for my return report, then decide. Thanks for the info bro! I've already made reservations in Sosua and BB just to be on the safe side. I'm leaning toward BB first and then bringing up the rear (PUN INTENTED. LOL) in Sosua for the weekend. Anymore suggestions, opinions, and views will be greatly appreciated!

Orgasmico
06-23-11, 01:56
Thanks for the info bro! I've already made reservations in Sosua and BB just to be on the safe side. I'm leaning toward BB first and then bringing up the rear (PUN INTENTED. LOL) in Sosua for the weekend. Anymore suggestions, opinions, and views will be greatly appreciated!If I have a whip, I usually shoot by BB to check out the bikini contest and / or shoot the shit with the BB chicas, get numbers, etc. And just take a break from Sosua.

Because I like to disappear during my trips to places like BB or Santiago just to change things up and throw off the chicas that are clockin me in Sosua. As far as.

Rules in BB, I've never stroked anything in there. I've been to a few private parties, etc. But never felt the need to smash on site cause I always had other less costly options waiting.

That being said, I've pulled several chicas in Costambar, that I met after leaving BB, and took them back to Sosua for a day or 2. Surprisingly, all were freebies.

The attached pic is an example. She's not a star but she can fuck good. I was in the mood for some chocolate on this particular excursion. Not sure if she was from there or visiting family cause this was a few years back.

SavePros321
06-23-11, 02:00
Also I'm seeing alot of newbies with their standard introduction (BB or Sosua and I promise to give a detailed report).I am SO glad I wasn't the only one noticing this, LOL. Nobody wants to read anymore and everyone wants to be spoon-fed info these days. The ones that you do bend over backwards to help with info never come back and "bless"'the board with Intel. So now my stand reply has been "RTFF".

Doker44
06-23-11, 02:05
I stopped going to BB's because of all the dam rules. Can't stand it for more than a day, but I must admit it is a good start for newbies.

I like free range hunting and I'm assuming you have made some hotel accommodations by now, or you may be SOL, but go to Sosua. I'll be in town July 1-4 to check out things for myself, so wait for my return report, then decide. What rules are you talking about at BB's?

Orgasmico
06-23-11, 02:49
just now (1 pm local time tuesday) , the approximately 50 employees of merengue bar and disco classico held a protest march through sosúa. they protest against the unjustified closure of the two bars and demand that they can return to work again. according to the spokeswoman of the staff it is not just them but also motoconchos, surrounding restaurants and even the politur depending on the business to make their daily living. in front of the town hall the spokes women held a speech for the local media present.

http://www.sosuanews.com/index.phpwas this chica protesting? i was supposed to get a bbbj but didn't have time. guess she'll have a new spot by the time i return?

Llttf
06-23-11, 05:14
Still it's quite convienent Classico's was closed and the vice Mayor of Sosua's Club Latinos is still open.Willy sold Latinos a few months ago

SavePros321
06-23-11, 05:49
Willy sold Latinos a few months agoAny idea if the new owner is monger-friendly? Or are they planning to turn Latino's into a Bingo Hall to placate the Geriatrics in the ex-pat community there? Slick Willy apparently knows something since he's decided to cash-out.

Mr Gogo
06-23-11, 07:54
Any idea if the new owner is monger-friendly? Or are they planning to turn Latino's into a Bingo Hall to placate the Geriatrics in the ex-pat community there? Slick Willy apparently knows something since he's decided to cash-out.Here is what I was told by an employee on my New Years visit. The Canadian owner who Willie leased the club from died, and his two sons wanted the club back. Willie told people that he was looking to buy Seacrets and change it into something bigger than Classicos, but I guess the Santo Domingo boys that I heard own Seacrets werent interested. Willie still has some political power and street cred, so he is still a major player in the "New Sosua". Peter (la Passions owner) still is sitting sweet being he is off the beaten path. Armando (Classicos owner) will not go down without a fight, plus he has a reputation as untouchable, which makes this raid so confusing. Rumba (American owners) appears well situated as long as he keeps the sportsman clientelle. Its funny because Rumba started out as an upper class Dominican hangout (Politicians, Buisiness owners, Police) but has downgraded to beer and sports. Also don't forget Armando owns the big hotel overlooking the ocean (Sosua bay or Sosua by the sea I forgot the name) so he has to be respected.

People underestimate the Dominicans. They have done the bait and switch for years, if you need proof look at all stalled developements from Cabarette to Sosua. The Dominicans smile and say'don't worry" as the developers set up shop and start pre sales as they break ground. With it advertised as the best deal in the islands, pre sales are hot. Then after the developer finishes the first structure the Dominicans up the ante. After awhile the developers understand that paying off the Dominicans cuts into the profit margin. So the developers decide to make a stand. Now the Dominicans come with some hidden taxes or better yet have a dead body pop up near the construction site. Sales flatline and investors start walking away from their deposits (nobody wants to buy where bodies or crime exists). The developers financial support has questions and stops funding. The developer says fuck this I'm out, never to be heard from again. Then the Dominicans put a lien on the property and seize it, but don't develope it. Could this applied to the "New Sosua", only time will tell. But don't think the Dominicans are going to give it up for nothing.

Ath Trainer
06-23-11, 13:58
I am SO glad I wasn't the only one noticing this, LOL. Nobody wants to read anymore and everyone wants to be spoon-fed info these days. The ones that you do bend over backwards to help with info never come back and "bless"'the board with Intel. So now my stand reply has been "RTFF".I firmly agree with the RTFF philosophy. Unfortunately, as a newbie to the DR, If I just listen to the reports, I would never go to Sousa be / see it sounds like a stud with a fist full of hundreds could not get laid here right now.

The mood in Sousa seems to be changing by the day, right now. Veteran Sousa mongers see how it is changing, not for the better. Those of us who have never been, can probably still have a great time, not realizing what we are missing. Making a choice between BB and Sousa is not the same now, as it was before. That is why the rookies look to the vets for their knowledge.

I am scheduled to arrive in Sousa in August. Watching the barometer very closely to decide weather to abandon ship and go to BB. I can tell you that I always give back to the forum once I have arrived. Let's keep the update flowing from the members who are in the "battle zone", fighting for our monger rights.

FoxesHunter
06-23-11, 14:23
For my curiosity:

What is the best place for mongering pro and non pro girls?
Sosua, Puerto Plata or.... ?

What is the cheapest place for mongering?

In DR is it easy to get anal?

How much money have I to pay to stay with a girl for 3-4 days, in the afternoon and night?

In DR is it easy to find a furnished flat? How much it costs?

In DR is it easy to take money by ATM?

I speak fluent spanish.
I'm sorry for many questios but I like to undestand.
Thanks

Frannie
06-23-11, 14:24
I firmly agree with the RTFF philosophy. Unfortunately, as a newbie to the DR, If I just listen to the reports, I would never go to Sousa be / see it sounds like a stud with a fist full of hundreds could not get laid here right now.

The mood in Sousa seems to be changing by the day, right now. Veteran Sousa mongers see how it is changing, not for the better. Those of us who have never been, can probably still have a great time, not realizing what we are missing. Making a choice between BB and Sousa is not the same now, as it was before. That is why the rookies look to the vets for their knowledge.

I am scheduled to arrive in Sousa in August. Watching the barometer very closely to decide weather to abandon ship and go to BB. I can tell you that I always give back to the forum once I have arrived. Let's keep the update flowing from the members who are in the "battle zone", fighting for our monger rights. If you read the boards so carefully, you might notice that there is no such place as "Sousa"

Boriman
06-23-11, 16:26
For my curiosity:

What is the best place for mongering pro and non pro girls?

Sosua, Puerto Plata or. ?

What is the cheapest place for mongering?

In DR is it easy to get anal?

How much money have I to pay to stay with a girl for 3-4 days, in the afternoon and night?

In DR is it easy to find a furnished flat? How much it costs?

In DR is it easy to take money by ATM?

I speak fluent spanish.

I'm sorry for many questios but I like to undestand.

ThanksI am not the best authority on this and expect my fellow mongers to correct me so let me try to help.

Sosua used to be the best place since everything is on a strip. In other words, unless you plan to stay only at Blackbeards, where all the action is onsite, everything in Puerto Plata needs a car so you will need to rent one, or use a taxi. Ditto with Santo Domingo. Boca Chica is the closest to a Sosua like setting (all the action is on one strip) but the quality is lower, more hustlers, and chicas are more aggresive (I will be posting my Boca Chica trip in about a day or two to give you an idea. I was there two weeks so I now have a good perspective of the place.). The cost of chica action I found to be the same or lower.

If you are going to Blackbeards they have a book on what chicas specialize in (sex positions). Just go to the office and tell them you want a chica who does anal. Anal in the DR is viewed as an extra. You pay more for it. Just ask the chica and unless she says otherwise assume that you will not be charged more. If you quoted $1500 short term just remind her of the sum. Sometimes they will not argue while others will ask more for the anal. When they quote more sometimes just saying that you are not interested in her will lead her to accept the $1500 since she does not want to lose the business. I've had more prices lowered for me when I tried to back out of negotiations than with any other tactics. When a chica tries to negotiate too much I simply cut it off since experience has shown me that when such chicas do not get their price they will short change you in the bed (exceptions have always occurred [some of a comical nature! ]).

If you stay with a chica try not to pay over $100 (YMMV). $60 might be fine. When I used to have chicas stay with me a couple of days I ended up paying $1500 a day, and sometimes just a $1000. I have her understand that I will pay for the meals and any trips. They understand this. Somewhere along the way you end up buying them groceries and something for their bambino. I can speak Spanish so I can negotiate.

Paying every day is important since I recall an incident at Europa where the monger promised to pay the chica after the third day and she flipped out on day two since she was not seeing any money and assumed that the monger was using her. She called her chulo and he showed up to the hotel with a knife drawn, which led to the Politur being called, the whole hotel was woken up, and it became a major incident. He ended up paying her and most likely the Politur (since they do not like showing up for free for such things!) When chicas do not see money after a while they assume they will not get paid. I am sure that the monger was going to pay but he was naive of the way things are.

Try Pierros (I hope the spelling is correct) in Sosua. It is a hotel but the rooms are really apartments (furnished flats). From what I recall he was charging less than $60 at the time in question. I would stay there myself and it has been recommended by several of my friends.

It is easy to take money out at an ATM. You will be hit with a surcharge (check with your bank to see if the surcharge is higher on international transactions!) Make sure that the instructions are in Spanish. You will receive pesos.

If your using an ATM try one affiliated with a bank since the DR machines will take in your entire card. One time my friends inserted his card and typed in the wrong pin. The machine kept his card so we had to return the next day to the bank and they pulled out a stack of credit and debit cards eaten up by the machine. My friend asked for the card, which they did have. He did not any I'd so they refused to give it to him (in short, bring a passport or something along these lines as I'd). I negotiated and suggested that they escort him to the ATM and all he had to do is type in the correct pin to verify that this is his card. The lady agreed so he went to the machine, typed in the right number (this time around) , and the card was given to him. Some claim that when the machine takes your card that it is destroyed. If you hear this they could be right but play it safe, assume that they are wrong, and call your bank to close the card and issue you a new card. (Too many cases of mongers vacationing in the DR while their debit and credit cards are being used by some stranger in Washington Heights!)

When going to another country it is always important to inform your bank of this since many cards are set to lock you out on international transactions, or when you reach a certain limit. This happened to me on my first trip so I changed banks and explained the situation to the new bank. Also, have a second card at hand just in case your first card does not work (on my first trip I had two other credit cards so I went to the bank to withdraw money, in pesos. I do not recommend this since the interest rate [at the time anyway] was pretty high (not counting the surcharges). If you use ATMs after the banks are closed and find that all ATMs are locking you out wait until after midnight and try again.

Finally, you'll go a long way with speaking Spanish.

I hope all this helps.

FoxesHunter
06-23-11, 16:59
Boriman,

Thanks for your wonderful reply.

A last question please. When will I arrite at Santo Domingo airport from Europe, will I have to take a bus or taxy to Sosua? How much it costs?

Does Pierros have a kitchen for cooking some quick food?

Boriman
06-23-11, 17:39
Boriman,

Thanks for your wonderful reply.

A last question please. When will I arrite at Santo Domingo airport from Europe, will I have to take a bus or taxy to Sosua? How much it costs?

Does Pierros have a kitchen for cooking some quick food? It would be easier if you arrived in Puerto Plata (POP) and paid about $20 for a taxi into Sosua. That said, I read on DR1 about it being $100 but I faintly recall it being about $75. Also, check the website for Caribe Tours. It is a big Greyhound that can fit all your luggage and take you from Santo Domingo to Sosua. You can then take a taxi (for about 100-200 pesos) to Pierros. You can also contact the owner, after making reservations, to see if he would pick you up at the Caribe Tour bus stop and take you for free to Pieros. (He has kindly done this for other mongers and as recently as last week one of my buddies stayed there and this courtesy was extended to him!)

Check also Metro Tours out to see if they have the same service (I would recommend Caribe over Metro)

Yes, Pierro's is a full functioning apartment, with cooking but when you contact them ask the hotel this question since I do not know if all the rooms are equipped in this way. Also, even if they have stoves some of them might not be working (or connected to the gas tank) so if you are given one where this is the case you can always say that you requested cooking for your room from the very beginning. I say this since I stayed at Costa Lunga and they did advertise a restaurant (but it was closed up a while back). This was no big deal since all they needed to do was update their website (I would stay at CostaLunga again since they are a very good hotel!). Also, I, like many of my fellow mongers, have been in hotels with broken down equipment. I've visited friends who stayed at Piero's and when something broke down they immediately went to the room to fix it. I guess as long as it happens in the daytime when the maintenance guy is around you should have no problem. In other words, when you first arrive to the room try all the equipment out (remote control, stoves, etc), to make sure that everything works.

There is a trick with turning on the bedroom light and I believe they also have a remote. Make sure you ask the guy about this. Also, I do not know if all the rooms are this way but the one my friend had had two bedrooms. He used one to put his clothing and personal belongings in. Ask the owner if there is a key to keep this room closed since whenever you have guests over you do not have to worry about clothes and other items being stolen. Again, this experience is based on the room my friend had. I do not know if all the rooms are equally equipped.

The name might also be Don Piero

Kitie Carson
06-23-11, 18:47
It would be easier if you arrived in Puerto Plata (POP) and paid about $20 for a taxi into Sosua. That said, I read on DR1 about it being $100 but I faintly recall it being about $75. Also, check the website for Caribe Tours. It is a big Greyhound that can fit all your luggage and take you from Santo Domingo to Sosua. You can then take a taxi (for about 100-200 pesos) to Pierros. You can also contact the owner, after making reservations, to see if he would pick you up at the Caribe Tour bus stop and take you for free to Pieros. (He has kindly done this for other mongers and as recently as last week one of my buddies stayed there and this courtesy was extended to him!)

Check also Metro Tours out to see if they have the same service (I would recommend Caribe over Metro)

Yes, Pierro's is a full functioning apartment, with cooking but when you contact them ask the hotel this question since I do not know if all the rooms are equipped in this way. Also, even if they have stoves some of them might not be working (or connected to the gas tank) so if you are given one where this is the case you can always say that you requested cooking for your room from the very beginning. I say this since I stayed at Costa Lunga and they did advertise a restaurant (but it was closed up a while back). This was no big deal since all they needed to do was update their website (I would stay at CostaLunga again since they are a very good hotel!). Also, I, like many of my fellow mongers, have been in hotels with broken down equipment. I've visited friends who stayed at Piero's and when something broke down they immediately went to the room to fix it. I guess as long as it happens in the daytime when the maintenance guy is around you should have no problem. In other words, when you first arrive to the room try all the equipment out (remote control, stoves, etc) , to make sure that everything works.

There is a trick with turning on the bedroom light and I believe they also have a remote. Make sure you ask the guy about this. Also, I do not know if all the rooms are this way but the one my friend had had two bedrooms. He used one to put his clothing and personal belongings in. Ask the owner if there is a key to keep this room closed since whenever you have guests over you do not have to worry about clothes and other items being stolen. Again, this experience is based on the room my friend had. I do not know if all the rooms are equally equipped.

The name might also be Don PieroAnother option in Sosua that I know for a fact has Full Kitchen. 1BR, Living Room, Pool are the Sosua Suite Condos. If you goto the website for Rocky's Blues Bar (google) it has links to these and other condos that the Owner of Rocky's, Rick, manages. The Sosua Suite condos are closer to the "Strip" on PC, and also closer to the main beach in Sosua. These condo's are newly remodeled and very nicely priced. The pricing structure varies depending on how long you stay. Averages to around $40 / day, which is a GREAT bargain for the location and amenities.

Piero's is very nice and is closer to La Passions. I've seen the rooms and had friends staying there and enjoyed their stay. But for the location I'd choose Sosua Suites. 1 minute walk to the STrip, clubs, restaurants.

Just another great option. I just returned from Sosua and had a blast.

Kitie Carson
06-23-11, 19:46
Well, I just returned from a 2 week visit to the DR. I had a great time! Needed a few days to recuperate and let all my memories set in so I could finally get to my TR.

I started my trip in Sosua and ended at Blackbeards. I was in the DR for a total of 12 days.

My 1st Trip to the DR was in January and I had a blast. I met many people and a few I kept in contact with. Within my 1st week back I was already thinking on when can I get back. My job gives me the flexibility to take a vacation every 3-4 months, so knowing this I booked my return trip during this 1st week back. I kept in contact with 3 of the guys I met, and they also were able to swing a return visit during this time, so it was ON!

Note-I had a camera and took pics, BUT somewhere along the way during the Sosua / BB transfer or maybe before it went MIA, so Lost pics of Sosua.

My Jan. Trip started at BB's and ended with a short 3 day 2 night visit to Sosua, so this trip I switched it up and started in Sosua for 5days / 4nights and ended at BB's for 7. I had booked my hotel room at the Terra Linda (TL) hotel, which I had walked through on my initial visit and liked it a lot. 1 of my wingmen had stayed at NG hotel in January and previous visits and told me that it was like a frat party atmosphere, and alot louder than he remembered, so I chose the TL for it's quieter atmosphere. And boy I'm glad I did. I got a great rate which included a King Bed and breakfast. My 3 wingmen also stayed here. Throughout my stay I encountered several families w / children and other guys "like us". Everyone seemed to respect each others privacy and it was a very relaxed place. The TL has a great pool, which was hardly used, my entire time there. I could go down and swim by myself, practically anytime during the day.

Day 1.

I live 6 time zones away, so I began my journey on Thursday Morning at 7am with layovers in SFO, EWR, and finally arrived at POP Friday@1pm. My pre-arranged pick-up through TL was outside door with a sign with my name and hotel on it. I live in a nice tropical area, but due to the Tradewinds the humidity is bearable with little to none. Stepping outside to upper 80's and 100% humidity my sweat pores opened up like Niagara Falls. Need to mention me and humidity DON'T Mix. Arrived at TL 15 minutes later and check in was quick and efficient. A check in drink was provided and my luggage was taken to my 2nd floor room.

The King room was large, spacious, with a balcony overlooking the pool. Furniture was minimal with a table. 2chairs, dresser with mirror, and small fridge. The safe provided was Key access. Bathroom had towels, and a walk in shower.

I went down to pool bar and ordered a beer. 1 of my wingmen flew in a few days earlier and he met me at the bar, while we were waiting on another wingman to get there on a later flight. Shot the breeze for a while. Some other Board Members (BM) from another site that I had been in contact with that had been coming in over the next past few days had met my wingman already there, so I knew that this could be an epic Trip. The 3rd amigo arrived and we had a few more beers, then decided to check out PC.

The 3rd amigo had never been to Sosua so we gave him a tour of all the hotspots, clubs, restaurants, and the overall PC street. Stopped in CMP to look at there line-up and found a chica that was perfect for me to lose my "Nuisance nut". Paid the ST fee, which I cannot remember and she led me to a room in the back. They must be remodeling as there was alot of sawing / cutting, banging going on. We both showered and made our way to the bed where she started with a nice BBBJ, continuing on to CG, Missionary, and finally ending in DS where I was completely drained. Overall good session and the oom was pretty nice for a ST room. I cannot remember her name but she was prob 5'2 105-110 with light skin and black hair. Mission 1 complete (the Nuisance Nut).

Made our way over to La Passions to check out the lineup. Around 15-20 gals around, with a few cuties. 1 gal "Carol" who, is small with a great body and Beautiful face came over to me to start her selling points. I was interested in Take out for the night. She asked me if I knew the menu, which I did, but still brought 1 over. I said I wanted to TLN her, but she came back with,"are you sure you don't want something shorter" so I immediately stopped all negotiations as I knew it was probably a no-go. We just checked out the ladies for a while, chatting with the ladies, but ultimately decided to leave empty handed.

Left to go back to hotel to shower and rest before dinner / Dancing / etc. I told my wingmen I needed a quick nap due to the travel / time change, but I would meet them at 8. Next thing I know my phone is ringing and its my wingmen. AND IT is 10pm. WTF! Quick shower, dress and meet them at Jolly Roger's, a nice little restaurant Bar on the strip. Have a few drinks and we make our way to Winner's Circle (WC) bar. For those that do not know, the bar is on the corner and has a great View of the Merengue bar / Classico's entrance. It's just a nice place to sit and scope out the chicas. The Bartenders there are also great looking and very friendly. 1 in particular caught my eye.

Some BM from other boards that I have been in contact with were coming in, but I had not expected them til Sat, But walking into WC I notice 1 guy I immediately recognized. Introduced myself and it seemed like we were already friends. He had taken an earlier flight and wanted to surprise everyone. Since I post TR's from all my travels and they do to, Reading and looking at the pics really helps you get to know people and is already the icebreaker. Some other people I met on my initial trip came in throughout the night and the party had begun. Drinks were flowing, people were laughing, and flirting was rampant. Few chicas around, and the Hot bartenders seemed game. I connected with 1 and we chatted, flirted throughout the evening. 1 thing led to another and ended up with her agreeing to meet me when she got off, BUT would be around 3-4 am. I said I would meet her back here and got her number. BUT.

After a while we decided to head to Latinos. Made our way there, and since some of the guys I met Live there, we were immediately excorted to the VIP are. Couches, chairs, roped off, security. Cool relax time. Chicas were vying for our attention. There were alot of single chicas in there and alot of them very sexy!

I found 1 I liked and she came in and we made our hellos. She had long brown hair, Nice tight body, abs of steel. Big booty. Just my type. Dranks and grinded on each other most of the night. Decided to TLN. $2000 was price and I was OK with that.

Another friend came up to me and told me the Bartender at WC had asked him to tell me to come back and get her. This Chica was Hot too! Black Shoulder length hair nice body and big round Bunda, I felt guilty that I had gotten in this predicament, But Hey I'm on vacation, and I had to make decision. Ultimately decided to go with chica I Had and I would take my chances and talk to the bartender the next night, if she still was speaking to me. Retired to TL. From what I remember on my 1st drunken night, we had a great session and I passed the fuck out! To Be Continued (tbc)

FoxesHunter
06-23-11, 20:36
The name might also be Don Piero. And how much Don Piero costs mas o menos? .

Charles Pooter
06-23-11, 22:47
. And how much Don Piero costs mas o menos? .The name is Hotel D'Piero. Now you know that you can google for their website. I am not allowed to post the URL here. On their website it says the following:

Rooms Starting from 40$

Flats Starting from 50$.

The flats are carefully furnished and fully equipped for your holiday.

Breakfast on request.

Discounts on the basis of the length of your stay.

Services

Internet WI-FI Swimming pool Satellite TV 24 hour surveillance Safe Bar Air conditioning Hydro massage Mini bar Private parking Gym Car and motorbike rental

On request there is a service of transport from and to the airport of Puerto Plata (POP)

FoxesHunter
06-23-11, 23:33
The name is Hotel D'Piero. Now you know that you can google for their website. I am not allowed to post the URL here. On their website it says the following:

Rooms Starting from 40$

Flats Starting from 50$.

The flats are carefully furnished and fully equipped for your holiday. But is there a small kitchen for a quick cooking?

Orgasmico
06-24-11, 02:25
So I was kinda tipsy at After 1 and this chica kept following me around saying she wanted to lick my balls. Not a bad problem to have. Let's just say she was able to divest me of 700 pesos.

Marc Anthony
06-24-11, 04:47
The name is Hotel D'Piero. Now you know that you can google for their website. I am not allowed to post the URL here. On their website it says the following:

Rooms Starting from 40$

Flats Starting from 50$.

The flats are carefully furnished and fully equipped for your holiday.

Breakfast on request.

Discounts on the basis of the length of your stay.

Services

Internet WI-FI Swimming pool Satellite TV 24 hour surveillance Safe Bar Air conditioning Hydro massage Mini bar Private parking Gym Car and motorbike rental

On request there is a service of transport from and to the airport of Puerto Plata (POP) Seems like a good value especially with ac & kitchen. Have you been there Charles? Do you know where it is?

If you are cheaper and can get along without AC (but a couple fans) you can rent a studio at condos dominicanos for $30 a day. Nice place with pool and well tended plants. I did it through the local trip agency advertising on Sosua news site. The condos dominicanos are very close (5 min walk) to Pedro Clisante right next to the city hall, up the street by super super liquor and chica friendly (if you are not rowdy about it).

Kitie Carson
06-24-11, 06:43
Day 2.

Saturday AM wake up with chica wondering WTF happened. Quickie then shower for her and goodbye. I was pretty hungover but still managed to catch Breakfast with the guys. My 4th wingman was flying in this afternoon.

We make our way down to the beach after breakfast. Wanted to get to the Black Box to hang out for the late morning / early afternoon. For those that do not know the little shacks along the beach are numbered so you can generally find 1 easy. The Black Box is #174? 5? 6, and YES the numbers start at around 1. LOL SO we had a little walk along the beach, being accosted by the numerous people selling their items.

Finally make it to our area, and sit down. Alot of BM from various sites frequent this bar so they generally take care of everyone pretty good. It was hot / humid but the Sea breeze helped alot. We had our Presidentes, food and enjoyed the beach. A few chicas passed by and there were a few nice ones who worked at this establishment.

Pretty lazy day at the beach. It did Rain off and on throughout the day.

We made it back to the TL to wait for our last wingman to arrive. Sat around at the pool bar.

Took a walking tour of PC, Passions, CMP, etc. Went into Passions around 4pm and there were 20+ chicas around. Long legs and asses everywhere. . No sessions for any of us, just eye candy. Same thing at CMP. Our newest arrival wingman has been to DR a few times and has a favorite from Cristals in Puerta Plata. He had been in contact with her and was going to pick her up to stay a couple of nights.

Not much happening, ended up hanging out at Winners Circle bs'ing with the bartenders. My bartender Favorita said she would get out around 3 am and wanted to hang out. Around midnite I was hungry so went to the chicken wing place next to Rhumbas. A very nice gentlemen offered up some "party favors" of any sort, but I declined as I did not want to chance visiting a DR lockup. Was getting sleeping so headed back to hotel and the got caught up with a chica hanging out in the corner bar. Small spinner type so I said WTF, and off we went. 15 minutes after we got to room, got a text from the bartender at WC, that she was off and coming over. I told the chica I had to vamos, and took a quick shower. She showed up and we had a great night. Great girl, no attitude and nice body with big round bunda. Just what I like. Woke up with her and did the morning thing. We went up and had breakfast with the boyz then off she went to goto her bambino. Day 3 to follow.

Charles Pooter
06-24-11, 16:35
Have you been there Charles? Do you know where it is?I have never stayed there. In fact I have never stayed anywhere in Sosúa (always in Puerto Plata for eight trips, and now of course I live there). But I have visited friends at D'Piero and they, and most who have stayed there, give it favorable reviews. Of course nowhere is going to please everyone, all hotels, bars and restaurants have their critics. You can only go by the consensus, and whether it fits your requirements. For example, A/C or cooking facilities are not important to me, good internet connection is (one thing I have against the Palms). Some guys love the frat atmosphere at the New Garden. I dislike the place.

D'Piero is for someone who likes a quieter place. It is down a side turning to the right off Pedro Clisante, just before you get to Passions. 12 minutes slow walk to the Strip.

Why is this software stripping out all paragraph breaks? Makes longer reports hard to read. I thought Mr Jackson favored improved literacy?

FoxesHunter
06-24-11, 16:51
Seems like a good value especially with ac & kitchen. Have you been there Charles? Do you know where it is?

If you are cheaper and can get along without AC (but a couple fans) you can rent a studio at condos dominicanos for $30 a day. Nice place with pool and well tended plants. I did it through the local trip agency advertising on Sosua news site. The condos dominicanos are very close (5 min walk) to Pedro Clisante right next to the city hall, up the street by super super liquor and chica friendly (if you are not rowdy about it). Very intersting but is there Internet Wi-Fi?

Tempoecorto
06-24-11, 17:56
Very intersting but is there Internet Wi-Fi?All you have to do, is to type "condos domenicano" and voila'! I would even copy and paste the link but I think that is not permitted. As they say, on Home Depot ads,"you can do it".

Marc Anthony
06-25-11, 15:57
Very intersting but is there Internet Wi-Fi?Yes there is but it didn't work very well when I was there. I heard it has been improved. These are individually owned condos with quirky decoration and little amenities. Coffee maker, radio, dvd, full cooking gear etc. They have a website.

Marc Anthony
06-25-11, 17:03
Sosua news announced that the discos reopened Friday night. Any on the scene reporting?

Personally even though I've been to Sosua half a dozen times I never even went upstairs to the disco, or went there at night. To me any chica there is guaranteed to be pretty hard core which is not what I'm interested in. It doesn't really bother me if I can't find a chica I like right away because unlike the US I feel like a good fraction of the the cute chicas I meet in everyday life are open to hooking up if I like. The entire country is like this so it doesn't really matter much what happens to a particular bar. I have hooked up with very hot chicas I met on guaguas, in stores, or in a park. Unlike the US a middle aged guy can flirt with cute chicas and while they might not all flirt back they don't take offense and it's seen as quite normal and acceptable. This is a player culture throughout. Meeting a chica, having a few drinks and ending up in a cabana an hour later is an everyday sport. A regalo is expected but to me this doesn't make her a puta unless she does it all the time. Why do you think the country has so many notell cabanas. It's not for the tourists.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-25-11, 19:20
Sosua news announced that the discos reopened Friday night. Any on the scene reporting?

Personally even though I've been to Sosua half a dozen times I never even went upstairs to the disco, or went there at night. To me any chica there is guaranteed to be pretty hard core which is not what I'm interested in. Newsflash just about EVERY single girl in Sosua is P4P in one capacity or another from the bartenders, masseuse, hotel workers. If your from any part of the D. R. And you come to Sosua its just for one thing, to work. You think just because a chic is sitting downstairs at Club 59 that she's any less hardcore then the putas upstairs in classicos? The girls downstairs just haven't made their way upstairs yet but trust me they'll be there sooner or later.

Marc Anthony
06-26-11, 04:40
Newsflash just about EVERY single girl in Sosua is P4P in one capacity or another from the bartenders, masseuse, hotel workers. If your from any part of the D. R. And you come to Sosua its just for one thing, to work. You think just because a chic is sitting downstairs at Club 59 that she's any less hardcore then the putas upstairs in classicos? The girls downstairs just haven't made their way upstairs yet but trust me they'll be there sooner or later.No any of those bars are the same to me, just never bothered to go upstairs. My point is that the entire country, not just the few areas people most often write about is a player culture. I wouldn't have realized the the bar downstairs had a separate name and I definitely wouldn't think of it as different.

Orgasmico
06-26-11, 14:27
"Dominican sex workers complain that Haitians are unfairly charging much less than they normally charge their customers.

Rossy Morel said that Dominican prostitutes usually ask for between 300 and 350 pesos for sex and 150 to 200 pesos for oral sex.

However, he explained that since the Haiti earthquake of January 12, 2010 there are now many Haitian prostitutes in the Dominican Republic who only charge 100 pesos for sex and 50 to 60 pesos for oral sex, which is damaging the business."

http://www.dominicancentral.com/newsarticle/more_than_a_hundred_people_linked_to_prostitution_on_the_north_coast_arrested/

Mr Enternational
06-26-11, 18:13
"Dominican sex workers complain that Haitians are unfairly charging much less than they normally charge their customers.

Rossy Morel said that Dominican prostitutes usually ask for between 300 and 350 pesos for sex and 150 to 200 pesos for oral sex.

However, he explained that since the Haiti earthquake of January 12, 2010 there are now many Haitian prostitutes in the Dominican Republic who only charge 100 pesos for sex and 50 to 60 pesos for oral sex, which is damaging the business."

http://www.dominicancentral.com/newsarticle/more_than_a_hundred_people_linked_to_prostitution_on_the_north_coast_arrested/Looks like they tack on an additional '0' for gringos.

Charles Pooter
06-26-11, 20:03
Looks like they tack on an additional '0' for gringos.Apparently those prices are correct, but you don't want to see what you would be getting for your money.

I am not a great fan of the "you get what you pay for" defence of high prices at places like Cristal and Passions, but in this case that saying is probably spot on.

Mr Gogo
06-26-11, 20:36
looks like they tack on an additional '0' for gringos.the artcle also said the police had to "rescue" ****d girls from several clubs. as if mongerers were running some kind of "human trafficing" ring out of classicos. they got to flip it, to make it look like they are the heroes and we are the villians.

Hillbilly69
06-26-11, 20:48
the artcle also said the police had to "rescue" ****d girls from several clubs. as if mongerers were running some kind of "human trafficing" ring out of classicos. they got to flip it, to make it look like they are the heroes and we are the villians.i wonder how many dominican men get arrested for providing their services to white sagging boobed middle aged women?

i am going to go out on a limb and say none.

double standard mother fuckers!

Hillbilly69
06-26-11, 20:56
Under the auspices of the Mayor Ilana Neumann and the Vice Minister for Tourism, César José de Los Santos, all owners of bars and restaurants received a survey form. In this form, the entrepreneurs are asked what they would think of a 'red light district'. A zone where prostitutes could exercise their profession. The rest of Sosúa is then prohibited area 24 hours a day for these ladies. The entrepreneurs can respond with 'good', 'acceptable', 'bad' or 'unacceptable'. This survey was presented a few days before the raid on Friday night to the entrepreneurs. Many business owners have decided not to answer the questionnaire because they can not fill in the form anonymous. The entrepreneurs have to write their names on the form. What will happen if you fill in 'unacceptable'?

Pipe Layer99
06-26-11, 21:21
apparently those prices are correct, but you don't want to see what you would be getting for your money.

i am not a great fan of the "you get what you pay for" defence of high prices at places like cristal and passions, but in this case that saying is probably spot on. after visiting both passions and cristal, i can tell you first hand, those chicas are easily 5 points above the low cost p4p girls. the ones that want less than 500 pesos for any service are not for many. thats scraping the bottom of the barrel.

i wanted to take a look at some of the massage places the other week and ventured into 2-3 of them (near new garden). man, those girls were not to my liking (not even for free). even though the massage was only 500 pesos for an hour, i passed. not my type of place. not my type of girl.

the ones at the clubs / bars that want 2000 pesos (which translated to 1000-1500 pesos for me) were good to go in my book. they were easy to negotiate with, fun to dance with and willing to please.

the ones at passions and cristal were somewhat better. a. you can do the job on site. b. there is some form of management in case s-it happens (or does not happen in the room). c. many were just prettier and there to work. d. prices are set, no haggling. (not even for take out afterwards. they were very easy to get back to the hotel for a reasonable rate after their shift).

in cristal, those chics were off the hook. from the time we walked in, they were all over us. and man, let me tell you, they were hot. by hot, i mean damn good looking. i was happy to part with some dollars for some drinks and some tota (pussy). the hardest part was trying to figure out which one to take. there were 3 stunners giving attention (and one small chick with a smoking body that got away. all 3 understood that i wanted to talk to (screen) the others prior to making a selection. i could stay there all day for three days.

after my session upstairs i went to look for the small one with the body but she was gone. she left the place. i asked the dj,"who was dancing on the pole at that particular time". he checked the dance list and told me. i asked him to call for her over the microphone. one of the female servers came over and told us she left. she was on the early shift. between her and the other two i liked, i would have gladly made three more donations to that club. even though the drinks and the girls are more expensive.

Drlawyer
06-26-11, 22:15
"Dominican sex workers complain that Haitians are unfairly charging much less than they normally charge their customers.

Rossy Morel said that Dominican prostitutes usually ask for between 300 and 350 pesos for sex and 150 to 200 pesos for oral sex.

However, he explained that since the Haiti earthquake of January 12, 2010 there are now many Haitian prostitutes in the Dominican Republic who only charge 100 pesos for sex and 50 to 60 pesos for oral sex, which is damaging the business."

http://www.dominicancentral.com/newsarticle/more_than_a_hundred_people_linked_to_prostitution_on_the_north_coast_arrested/God Bless competition. God Bless the free market.

Brendan49
06-26-11, 23:28
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Hatian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although thier was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, infact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.

SavePros321
06-26-11, 23:32
Under the auspices of the Mayor Ilana Neumann and the Vice Minister for Tourism, César José de Los Santos, all owners of bars and restaurants received a survey form. In this form, the entrepreneurs are asked what they would think of a 'red light district'. A zone where prostitutes could exercise their profession. The rest of Sosúa is then prohibited area 24 hours a day for these ladies. The entrepreneurs can respond with 'good', 'acceptable', 'bad' or 'unacceptable'. This survey was presented a few days before the raid on Friday night to the entrepreneurs. Many business owners have decided not to answer the questionnaire because they can not fill in the form anonymous. The entrepreneurs have to write their names on the form. What will happen if you fill in 'unacceptable'?If there are any business owners in Sosua waiting for the mongers response, SavePros approves of and would patronize a Red Light District in Sosua. Fill out the damn survey forms and turn them in already, LOL! Santo Domingo is already one step ahead of you guys.

Charles Pooter
06-26-11, 23:57
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Haitian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although there was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, in fact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.I see this is your first post. What planet do you come from? Did you spend every minute of your 14 days in Passions? Or do you have some unsightly medical or hygiene problem? Never saw a haitiana in 14 days? Visit your optometrist as soon as you can!

I have just been reading reports and emails from guys who I met this week and last week and totally trust. Middle-aged, ordinary guys, who don't look like Antonio Banderas. They both had great trips and all the chicas they wanted. They never paid more than 1500 pesos for ST or more than 2500 for the night, usually 1000 for ST. And they don't go with slags or full-time hardcore putas. And neither of them like staying out late to find chicas. One prefers dominicanas, the other haitianas but they both had both nationalities during their trips.

I honestly find it difficult to imagine what your routine was, if they were the results you came up with. Maybe I should start a guide service? In fact a friend already runs one (informally) in Sosúa, a sort of meet-and-greet for newbies. I know you are not a newbie but it is obvious that you need to re-take Mongering 101.

I have no personal interest in defending Sosúa. In fact I always took flak on the boards for dissing Sosúa and favoring Puerto Plata (though I wouldn't have much of a case these days). I have read a lot of alarmist bullshit for a few weeks but your post really takes the cake.

Or maybe, you have fooled me and this is just some bullshit post from a struggling bar-keeper in Boca Chica hoping to divert some custom down south?

Orgasmico
06-27-11, 00:58
Marcel Adams was reportedly found dead at his home in the Dominican Republic.

Updated: Sun Jun. 26 2011 6:33:19 PM.

Marcel Adam. 68, a Canadian who had been living in the Dominican Republic beach-town of Sosua, has been found murdered at his home in the resort town in the

Caribbean, according to a newspaper report from the island. The report stated that Adam had been hit on the head with a blow or a gunshot. His body was only found three days after he was killed. Robbery is suspected to be the motive.

http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/news/rumor/684-encuntran-cadaver-de-canadiense-en-estado-de-putrefaccion-en-residencial-caribe-campo.html

Charles Pooter
06-27-11, 01:12
WANKERI thought I would share with you all Brendan's reply to my post below.

He headed his PM "Tosser".Now "Wanker" and "Tosser" are common British insults, and the fact that he stayed for two weeks makes me think that he could come from the British Isles (UK or Irish Rep). If so, always a pleasure to have another Brit or Irishman on the board. A warm welcome to ISG, Brendan!

SavePros321
06-27-11, 01:49
I thought I would share with you all Brendan's reply to my post below.

He headed his PM "Tosser". Now "Wanker" and "Tosser" are common British insults, and the fact that he stayed for two weeks makes me think that he could come from the British Isles (UK or Irish Rep). If so, always a pleasure to have another Brit or Irishman on the board. A warm welcome to ISG, Brendan! Nice catch Sir Charles, LOL!

MiamiHeatLuver
06-27-11, 02:02
I thought I would share with you all Brendan's reply to my post below.

He headed his PM "Tosser". Now "Wanker" and "Tosser" are common British insults, and the fact that he stayed for two weeks makes me think that he could come from the British Isles (UK or Irish Rep). If so, always a pleasure to have another Brit or Irishman on the board. A warm welcome to ISG, Brendan! Maybe he looks like BEAN or BENNY HILL, that could explain many things and account for the chicas trying to get over on him 3000-4000Lt as far as Haitianas? Head down towards the beach, all you want there.

Kitie Carson
06-27-11, 02:09
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Hatian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although thier was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, infact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.I was in DR for 2 weeks and never paid more than $2500 LT, except when I was at BB or pulled for a TLN at Passions at 6pm. The street and Club chicas are always negotiating. DId you?

Uktraveler
06-27-11, 02:13
I see this is your first post. What planet do you come from? Did you spend every minute of your 14 days in Passions? Or do you have some unsightly medical or hygiene problem? Never saw a haitiana in 14 days? Visit your optometrist as soon as you can!

I have just been reading reports and emails from guys who I met this week and last week and totally trust. Middle-aged, ordinary guys, who don't look like Antonio Banderas. They both had great trips and all the chicas they wanted. They never paid more than 1500 pesos for ST or more than 2500 for the night, usually 1000 for ST. And they don't go with slags or full-time hardcore putas. And neither of them like staying out late to find chicas. One prefers dominicanas, the other haitianas but they both had both nationalities during their trips.

I honestly find it difficult to imagine what your routine was, if they were the results you came up with. Maybe I should start a guide service? In fact a friend already runs one (informally) in Sosúa, a sort of meet-and-greet for newbies. I know you are not a newbie but it is obvious that you need to re-take Mongering 101.

I have no personal interest in defending Sosúa. In fact I always took flak on the boards for dissing Sosúa and favoring Puerto Plata (though I wouldn't have much of a case these days). I have read a lot of alarmist bullshit for a few weeks but your post really takes the cake.

Or maybe, you have fooled me and this is just some bullshit post from a struggling bar-keeper in Boca Chica hoping to divert some custom down south?I've been visiting the DR for 10 years. For the past 3 years, I've spent months at a time in Sousa. I was there before, during and after the crack down. His report rings more true than anyone of the 607+ of the "What's going on in Sousa right now?" posts that some self appointed moderator posts on this thread!

Uktraveler
06-27-11, 02:23
Maybe he looks like BEAN or BENNY HILL, that could explain many things and account for the chicas trying to get over on him 3000-4000Lt as far as Haitianas? Head down towards the beach, all you want there.Or maybe he looks like Tom Cruise? Does it really matter? Afterall the expats are no beauties there, yet they have no problems pulling the dimes.

In absence of any haitians, I can see the very few Domincan working girls in Sousa quoting him 3-4k easy.

John Gault
06-27-11, 04:41
the artcle also said the police had to "rescue" ****d girls from several clubs. as if mongerers were running some kind of "human trafficing" ring out of classicos. they got to flip it, to make it look like they are the heroes and we are the villians.thats funny. the police are rescueing chicas from classico. the last time i was there i needed rescueing from all the gordita's who grabbed me and would not let go as i walked around the club.

you would think it would sink into the politicos thick heads that the only way most of these girls can feed their kids is by p4p.

imagine the amount of money mongers bring into the dr. they all get fat, from the tax on airtickets to the $10 admission fee to the dr. then all the money spent on hotels and food and drink. all of a sudden when an election comes up or the big landowners flex their muscles, then they want to clean up the area.

no matter what latin american country, the script is always the same. last i heard they were cracking down in nicaragua also.

Manizales911
06-27-11, 17:14
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Hatian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although thier was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, infact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.In all due respect sir you must have zero negotiating skills and you should definitely stay away from that local who told you that all the Haitians were sent back to Haiti. Keep in mind that generally Dominicans hate the Haitians and will tell you anything to keep you from going with one instead of a Dominicana. I have been to Sosua a shitload of times over the last two years and I can assure you that this is certainly the least expensive time to go when it comes to the girls, when things get quiet down there the prices plummet. 4000 for TLN, hahahaha.

Coupe66
06-27-11, 23:24
Hi guys. I was in Sosua for 3 weeks in February and had a great time. Unlike a couple of the recent contributors here I thought Classico's was a great source of action, and not only for hardcore chica's. It had a good atmosphere, great music, reasonable drink prices and a great mix of people from semi-pros and pros to mongers and even female tourists. Anyway, I was just wondering, what is the situation there now, has it definitely reopened? Is it again like it was in February, or is it a more subdued place now, with more controls? I would like to return to Sosua in August, but would like to know if this place is definitely open again or not, and are these new police raids maybe the start of an ongoing pattern, where more can be expected on a regular basis? The same goes for the Merengue bar.

Member #2666
06-27-11, 23:39
Could someone please give me a report on the Condos Dominicanos.

I searched the Hotel thread but can't come up with much.

Many thanks

Professor 1
06-28-11, 00:37
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Hatian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although thier was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, infact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.

If a chica quotes RD$3,000 pesos you are supposed to laugh for several minutes, pat her on the back, and tell her good luck with that in Spanish. Regular girls, like the one I dated in Santo Domingo, barely make that in a month, let alone for short time guest relations services. Believe me, after you laugh and start walking they will be back either later that day or later that evening.

Charles Pooter
06-28-11, 01:36
His report rings more true than anyone of the 607+ of the "What's going on in Sousa right now?" posts that some self appointed moderator posts on this thread!Hmm. UKtraveler has weighed in on Brendan's side. That changes the picture somewhat. Instead of 607 against 1, it is now 607 against 2. I think this one is too close too call. I demand a recount!

He's right about the ex-pats being an unattractive bunch though. I look like a decomposing corpse (and that's on my good days) and I still have no trouble pulling nice young chicas (not slags) for 1500 or less. And I am knee-deep in haitianas. So where is Tom Cruise lookalike Brendan going wrong?

Orgasmico
06-28-11, 01:47
Marcel Adams was reportedly found dead at his home in the Dominican Republic.

Updated: Sun Jun. 26 2011 6:33:19 PM.

Marcel Adam. 68, a Canadian who had been living in the Dominican Republic beach-town of Sosua, has been found murdered at his home in the resort town in the

Caribbean, according to a newspaper report from the island. The report stated that Adam had been hit on the head with a blow or a gunshot. His body was only found three days after he was killed. Robbery is suspected to be the motive.

http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/news/rumor/684-encuntran-cadaver-de-canadiense-en-estado-de-putrefaccion-en-residencial-caribe-campo.html"Last year, there were two violent incidents involving Canadians in the Sosua area. Jean Gagne of Quebec City was robbed at gunpoint, and shot in the chest, according to local police. A Quebec woman was also fatally stabbed in her home on a ranch near Sosua that same year."

http://news.maars.net/blog/2011/06/27/police-investigate-suspicious-death-of-canadian-in-dominican-republic/

Hillbilly69
06-28-11, 02:01
"Last year, there were two violent incidents involving Canadians in the Sosua area. Jean Gagne of Quebec City was robbed at gunpoint, and shot in the chest, according to local police. A Quebec woman was also fatally stabbed in her home on a ranch near Sosua that same year."

http://news.maars.net/blog/2011/06/27/police-investigate-suspicious-death-of-canadian-in-dominican-republic/This Murder though was on a Monger and a Working girl their looking for acccording to one of his friends.

A Canadian citizen about 68 years was found dead at his apartment and his body in a complete state of putrefaction, in to an incident in the Caribbean residential area here.

The deceased is the name of Marcel Adam, who according to reports gathered by this means to hire different types of sex women to be possible signs of violence on the body of the elderly, it is presumed it was a crime in order to steal according to preliminary data from researchers.

Lic. Innocent families of this county deputy prosecutor came to this place in the company of forensic experts, as well as authorities of the criminal investigations department of the national police, who held expertise in place to determine the reasons for the death overseas.

A friend of the deceased related to this means that Adam used to go out in search of so-called sex workers here, while he said a few days ago a girl was seen at his apartment in which they have held a picture to initiate investigations as explained lifeless body of the Canadian National had approximately three days due to decomposition it presented.

Another version investigated by the news media realizes that perhaps the cause of death could have been caused by a gunshot or a fatal blow with a sharp object on the head, even versions that are being

Mr Gogo
06-28-11, 02:02
Hmm. UKtraveler has weighed in on Brendan's side. That changes the picture somewhat. Instead of 607 against 1, it is now 607 against 2. I think this one is too close too call. I demand a recount!

He's right about the ex-pats being an unattractive bunch though. I look like a decomposing corpse (and that's on my good days) and I still have no trouble pulling nice young chicas (not slags) for 1500 or less. And I am knee-deep in haitianas. So where is Tom Cruise lookalike Brendan going wrong?I think that Haitiana put something in your tea again Sir Charles LOL. For some reason that guy decided to flame Savepros, the 607 was a swipe at him indirectly using his post count. Don't worry Sir Charles we know you meant well.

Uktraveler
06-28-11, 02:19
Hmm. UKtraveler has weighed in on Brendan's side. That changes the picture somewhat. Instead of 607 against 1, it is now 607 against 2. I think this one is too close too call. I demand a recount!In this case 607 doesn't equal 1. Recalculate.

He's right about the ex-pats being an unattractive bunch though. I look like a decomposing corpse (and that's on my good days) and I still have no trouble pulling nice young chicas (not slags) for 1500 or less. And I am knee-deep in haitianas. So where is Tom Cruise lookalike Brendan going wrong?[/QUOTE]First off, you're not in Sousa. PP is a different animal. Secondly, I believe he said that they were "wanting 3/4k" not that he "paid 3/4k"

Cheers!

Member #2666
06-28-11, 02:22
Could someone please report on the Condos Dominicano.

I have seen their website and searched this site but would like to get an updated report from someone in the know.

Thank you

Questner
06-28-11, 03:56
Could someone please report on the Condos Dominicano.

I have seen their website and searched this site but would like to get an updated report from someone in the know.

Thank youIf you are a respectful dude then you are welcome. Scooters are parked outside. No loud pool parties.

Manizales911
06-28-11, 13:14
Could someone please report on the Condos Dominicano.

I have seen their website and searched this site but would like to get an updated report from someone in the know.

Thank youThe Teflon Monger does a thorough review of Condos Dominicano on his blog. It is against forum rules to post links to other sites but a Google search will find it or pm me and I'll send you the link.

Charles Pooter
06-28-11, 15:08
I think that Haitiana put something in your tea again Sir Charles LOL. For some reason that guy decided to flame Savepros, the 607 was a swipe at him indirectly using his post count.I missed all that, it was too subtle for me. I don't usually notice guys' post counts unless they are in single figures. While the latter group contains some excellent guys (after all, everyone has to start somewhere) it does also contain a much higher proportion of wummers, scammers, bullshitters and crackpots.

Not sure what any of that has got to do with my tea. She probably spits in it whenever I refuse her money, but that just adds to flavor.


Don't worry Sir Charles we know you meant well.Not really. I just felt like having a dig at someone. Nothing personal. I am sure Brendan and UKtraveler are both very good people (or maybe one very good person).

You can't win on these boards. Because I sincerely posted something positive about the USA on another board someone accused me of being sarcastic!

Hudagle
06-28-11, 19:36
Day 3 to follow.Looking forward to more!

Member #2666
06-29-11, 00:39
The Teflon Monger does a thorough review of Condos Dominicano on his blog. It is against forum rules to post links to other sites but a Google search will find it or pm me and I'll send you the link.Hola, Seems the Tephlon Monger and weluve latinas site has been taken down.

Can you comment on the Condos.

The price and facilities seem nice, almost too good to be true. I don't mind the location at all, just curious about the stay there in general.

Gracias

TomJackin
06-29-11, 06:54
Hola, Seems the Tephlon Monger and weluve latinas site has been taken down.We Luv Latinas is up and running well.

http://www.weluvlatinas.com/

Kitie Carson
06-29-11, 07:38
Sorry for the delay, but back to work. Busy busy busy.

Chica left and we headed to the WU to change some $$$. This trip was the 1st 2weeks of June and the exchange rate was rising gradually throughout my stay. I had been changing at the cambia outside of the TL at 37. 5-1 but the rate at WU was 37. 95 so there we went.

After dropping off $$$ back at hotel, off to the Black bOx on the beach. Hung out there most of the afternoon. Drinking, mamajuana shots and good conversation. A friend of mine was having a BBQ that evening so we eventually stumbled our way from the beach to the TL to change and rest up.

Started walking to the Villa he had rented and met some friends coming out of Rockys who were headed that way too and grabbed a ride with them. The Villa was on the road behind Passions so saved us a few minutes. When we got there, let me say. Whoa! Gtf out of here. Nice 4th gated Villa with pool outside covered area for BbQ. Huge. A few other friends from another board were there with some chicas, and someone even called more chicas.

Another good night with food, friends, chicas, and fun. BBq chicken, burgers, ribs, salad, and all the fixings were on the menu. We were steadily drinking and bs'ing with the chicas. Then someone pulls out the tequila shots for everyone and that's the last I remember. Hazy night thereafter. Everybody decided they were not going out for the night.

Me and my wingmen were going to try. I had planned to meet up with my favorite bartender but she was late getting back to the bar and I just left and called it a night. Only night I did nothing and it felt good as, I was tired. Tbc

Kitie Carson
06-30-11, 01:39
Not alot hapening today as a couple of the guys head to Cabarete. Me and my wing just hang out at the TL pool. Some other people are there and we just chill out. Not a bad day. Just humid as usual. Eat lunch at hotel.

The evening is the hockey game (Bruins / Canucks) and we plan on hanging out at Jolly Roger's to watch game then head out to clubs.

Late afternoon we decide to head over to Passions and check out there 6pm shift. Well, we get there and there are some other friends there checking out the 20-30 Chicas. Some real Cuties there, but 1 IMMEDIATELY gets my attention. She is a tall flacca, perfect flat stomach, Big brown eyes, long hair. And I should mention HOT! She just comes up to me and stands, leans over the bar and smiles. Braces Too. My espanol is VERY limited but through my friends chica found out she was relatively new to Passions. Only been there 2 weeks. I knew I had to have her. TLN it was on $5000 from 6p. I didn't have enough pesos on me so out I went hopped on a motoconcho in the rain and hurried back to grab some. Luckily the driver had an umbrella and I def used it. Made it back to Passions hoping she was still available and she was.

2 of my other friends grabbed there amigas too. The night looked promising. I told my guys that we were headed to the hotel and dinner and we would meet them at the WC later.

Went back to The TL and changed and headed to the Scotch and Sirloin for dinner. My chica was very sweet and she knew how to have fun. She ordered herself a glass of wine and had the Seafood Alfredo. I had the Filet Rare. Had a good time. I had my translator on me so we could have a decent conversation. After dinner we head over to Jolly Rogers to watch the NHL game. MY gal was cool and just hung with us drinking and having a good time. Pretty much the GFE.

After the game we head over to WC and the night was on. A bunch of friends, some with chicas were there and we continued drinking and having a blast. MY favorita bartender was giving me the stink eye, since I had not met her the previous night. From there headed to Classicos where we danced and drank for hours. The music was loud and we were drunk. What a combo! Stopped by Latinas but by then we were ready to hit the sack.

Made our way to TL and had a great nightly session. This gal has a Great body. No fat! Damn. Next morning a little fun then sent her off on a motoconcho as we were headed to BB's later in the day. I will definitely look for her again next time I 'm in Sosua. Tbc

Orgasmico
06-30-11, 11:35
My espanol is VERY limited but through my friends chica found out she was relatively new to Passions. Only been there 2 weeks. I knew I had to have her. TLN it was on $5000 from 6p. I didn't have enough pesos on me so out I went hopped on a motoconcho in the rain and hurried back to grab some. Luckily the driver had an umbrella and I def used it. Made it back to Passions hoping she was still available and she was.So excluding dinner, drinks, etc, it cost you about $130 USD for TLN with a Pasions chica?

Oakie
06-30-11, 13:35
I'm a big Sosua fan.

The question I'm most asked about my frequent trips is,"Is it safe"? They send me news clippings about the latest murder or cholera problems.

The answer has to be. Depends. It's still a third world country.

If you know your way around, or hang with people who do, if you can fully understand the dynamics of what is happening around you, the culture of poverty vs tourism, the bribes and corruption that is the way of life, if you read and heed the posts on this board, it can as safe, or even safer than at home.

But, like anywhere, you are always vulnerable to random crimes of opportunity, and if you are a regular you could be targeted over time.

No matter how cool you are, on your way to the hotel a truck load of local thugs could suddenly screech to a stop in front of you (and your amigos / amigas) and in 60 seconds its over. If you visit the same ATM or liquor stor on a regular basis. Ditto.

My very well connected novia recently got thrown to the ground off a motoconcho and robbed near the Western Union office in her home town. Wasn't a lot of money but she lost her wallet, and got a couple of bruised legs.

The point is, for newbies, be very very carefull, and for seasoned mongers, don't get too complacent (or too drunk).

I got to the point I thought I could go anywhere in the DR, at any time of day or night, as long as I was "connected".

Not true anymore.

There's no racism here, but unfortunately my white skin quickly identifies me as a non native, therfore a potential lucrative target.

Frannie
06-30-11, 16:37
I returned yesterday after a 14 night stay, and all the girls that I came into contact with were wanting 3000/4000 pasos for the night. Never came across a Hatian girl was told by a local they had all been rounded up and shipped back home. Although thier was a few chicas out at night, not many at all in the day, infact I've been 4 times in the last 2 years and its quietist that I have seen it and the most expensive.Sorry you had a lousy time a week or two ago. Whatever happened then the Haitianas are now back in force and the $1000 peso special for a quickie is definitely back on the menu and has been sampled. Plenty of chicas walking around in the day time if you know how to approach them, and at night sufficient attractive ones in the bars (plenty of Haitianas) if you are inclined. Personally I prefer daytime.

It is true that overall the tourist economy is very quiet right now. I have rented an apartment at a place with a lap pool and wi-fi (but only fans, no a / see) for $400 per month. But no chicas allowed inside, which is OK with me, but rules out for most ISG guys. Airfare $530 Miami-Santo Domingo-Puerto Plata-Miami.

Kitie Carson
06-30-11, 18:35
So excluding dinner, drinks, etc, it cost you about $130 USD for TLN with a Pasions chica?Yes, as Passions has a set-price menu.

MiamiHeatLuver
06-30-11, 19:06
So excluding dinner, drinks, etc, it cost you about $130 USD for TLN with a Pasions chica?You could have just told her to meet you at Classicos after work and saved yourself 3000 pesos at least. Even though I heard these girls are sometimes forbidden on making deals outside of work and forbidden to even go to Classicos, I always see some of them in there. 5000 pesos in the DR for Passions puta is freaking insane."just started there 2 weeks ago" is probably a lie and in 2 weeks she could have easily fucked 50 different men.

Tempoecorto
06-30-11, 19:49
Sorry you had a lousy time a week or two ago. Whatever happened then the Haitianas are now back in force and the $1000 peso special for a quickie is definitely back on the menu and has been sampled. Plenty of chicas walking around in the day time if you know how to approach them, and at night sufficient attractive ones in the bars (plenty of Haitianas) if you are inclined. Personally I prefer daytime.If you do not mind a dumb question Frannie, as your place does not allow women in, the effective cost of what you are describing above is 1000 pesos + cabana (or other location cost)? Given your predilection for daytime walking-arounds, I presume you are not speaking of women at bars, where location might be included? Thanks.

Charles Pooter
06-30-11, 22:22
If you do not mind a dumb question Frannie, as your place does not allow women in, the effective cost of what you are describing above is 1000 pesos + cabana (or other location cost)? Given your predilection for daytime walking-arounds, I presume you are not speaking of women at bars, where location might be included? Thanks.Maybe he does them over car bonnets in side streets or in the toilets of the Merengue Bar. Not all these guys play cricket like you and I, Tempoecorto.

Good question though. I don't think of Frannie as someone who would rough it in some squalid backroom so I guess he hires a cabaña?

Orgasmico
07-01-11, 01:00
You could have just told her to meet you at Classicos after work and saved yourself 3000 pesos at least. Even though I heard these girls are sometimes forbidden on making deals outside of work and forbidden to even go to Classicos, I always see some of them in there. 5000 pesos in the DR for Passions puta is freaking insane."just started there 2 weeks ago" is probably a lie and in 2 weeks she could have easily fucked 50 different men.I know Peter is smiling all the way to the bank. The same girls that used to cost $50 in Pasions are now going for $130. The talent level hasn't changed but Peter has to recoup the cost of the fishbowls and all the other gimmicks he put in the new Pasions to go a long with the "New Sosua." However, I liked Pasions better when it was a little corner outdoor hut and prices were more in line with the market. Can't fault Peter, if there are guys willing to pay the "New Sosua" prices.

As far as this girl being there for only 2 weeks, it could be true or BS. Just like we have a game plan and lines before we go down there, the Chicas have their story to get more money mapped out. You're a weekend worrier and she might do this for a living so I suspect her game might be sharper. My last trip in Sosua I bumped into Chicas I hadn't seen in over 3 years and they were still up in Clasicos or working at New Garden. Its funny cause I see youtube vids, blogs, and websites with guys pontificating about Sosua and they have pics of babes we were running trains on in 2006.

BeaverHunter
07-01-11, 03:22
You could have just told her to meet you at Classicos after work and saved yourself 3000 pesos at least. Even though I heard these girls are sometimes forbidden on making deals outside of work and forbidden to even go to Classicos, I always see some of them in there. 5000 pesos in the DR for Passions puta is freaking insane."just started there 2 weeks ago" is probably a lie and in 2 weeks she could have easily fucked 50 different men.I havnt posted on this thread in a while, but yes you can arrange to meet a passion girl after her shift at Passions. But you will have to be on the lookout for Peter during the night because he does venture out from time to time. He will not bust the girls if they are out in the bars or clubs by themselves or with friends, but if he sees them with guys he will approach you and expect a salida a fee and the girl will get into trouble.

I have done this a number of times and always went staight into classicos or where ever and stayed in a dark place with the girl so it was hard to be noticed.

Pipe Layer99
07-01-11, 04:10
I havnt posted on this thread in a while, but yes you can arrange to meet a passion girl after her shift at Passions. But you will have to be on the lookout for Peter during the night because he does venture out from time to time. He will not bust the girls if they are out in the bars or clubs by themselves or with friends, but if he sees them with guys he will approach you and expect a salida a fee and the girl will get into trouble.

I have done this a number of times and always went staight into classicos or where ever and stayed in a dark place with the girl so it was hard to be noticed.Can't really see Peter asking a monger for an exit fee. After all, the girl is off work already.

Plus, she could be in there partying with friends or alone (and perhaps looking to make an extra buck). Who is to say she can not go out and enjoy her time off. Either way, thats between the girl and Peter if he ever asked. I certainly would not pay and exit fee for a girl who is already off work.

About arranging for the girls to come over after work. It can and does happen. About 2 weeks ago, I had one come back to my place for 1500 pesos (after her shift). She was on the early shift and got off around 10pm. Granted, she met me inside my hotel entrance at the designated time. After the deed, I wanted to go out. She wanted to sleep. So I gave her a choice to sleep or go home. She chose to sleep. Initially I was going to allow it. I know where she works, I know Peter, and I only had a small suitcase with clothes. But I thought, what if I bring another girl back? So I change my mind and gave her some pesos to leave. She looked a little sad but what can I do.

Mr Gogo
07-01-11, 08:19
Hear all, hear all. Old Sousa is back again! Haitians were the first to go in the "new" Sousa era, but since they're "now back in force" everything must be back to the old glory days!Wishfull thinking. Frannie's post was "there were women if you knew how to approach them". In the "Old Sosua" they approached you. Undocumented Haitiana's were the first to go as usually the case. Whenever the Haitiana's get number's that equal the Dominicana's the market must be preserved. In other word's the Haitiana's are never allowed to interfear with the Dominicana's tricking. The 'Old Sosua" will never return in it's glory, if you missed it so be it. Blame the internet, blame the brother's, blame the European's, it doesn't matter. Just be content with the watered down version and hope it doesn't get worse.

Charles Pooter
07-01-11, 18:46
Hear all, hear all. Old Sousa is back again! Haitians were the first to go in the "new" Sousa era, but since they're "now back in force" everything must be back to the old glory days!I am glad you agree with us (apart from your spelling of Sosúa) even if you are exaggerating a bit. No-one is suggesting it is the same as previously, just that it is probably the still the best value option for North American mongers who don't speak much Spanish (taking all costs into account, airfares, hotels, chicas, etc). And reports from sensible and truthful guys currently visiting confirm that most of them are having a great time, while some of the newbies are in seventh heaven.

My original and hostile response to Brendan's post was because reports like that could unnecessarily frighten away newbies and mean they miss a great trip.

By all means continue to alert people to specific downsides of Sosúa (there are many) but sweeping and totally untrue generalizations like "no haitianas" and "more expensive than ever" are out of order.

All you have to do now is persuade Brendan of your apparent change of heart.

BeaverHunter
07-01-11, 19:43
Can't really see Peter asking a monger for an exit fee. After all, the girl is off work already.

Plus, she could be in there partying with friends or alone (and perhaps looking to make an extra buck). Who is to say she can not go out and enjoy her time off. Either way, thats between the girl and Peter if he ever asked. I certainly would not pay and exit fee for a girl who is already off work.

About arranging for the girls to come over after work. It can and does happen. About 2 weeks ago, I had one come back to my place for 1500 pesos (after her shift). She was on the early shift and got off around 10pm. Granted, she met me inside my hotel entrance at the designated time. After the deed, I wanted to go out. She wanted to sleep. So I gave her a choice to sleep or go home. She chose to sleep. Initially I was going to allow it. I know where she works, I know Peter, and I only had a small suitcase with clothes. But I thought, what if I bring another girl back? So I change my mind and gave her some pesos to leave. She looked a little sad but what can I do.It happened to Madaline a couple of years ago. Peter got I think it was 4 days worth of salida's. The only thing that saved the guy was that Peter knew she was at passions till her shift ended at 9 pm. I know this cause at the time, I was with one of her other more popular sisters at the time.

Unfortunitely Peter has it in his head that the girls belong to him 24/7 regardless if their shift gas ended.

Boriman
07-01-11, 20:32
It happened to Madaline a couple of years ago. Peter got I think it was 4 days worth of salida's. The only thing that saved the guy was that Peter knew she was at passions till her shift ended at 9 pm. I know this cause at the time, I was with one of her other more popular sisters at the time.

Unfortunitely Peter has it in his head that the girls belong to him 24/7 regardless if their shift gas ended.If Peter got 4 salidas from the chica she was making it obvious and did it one too many times.

What the mongers are doing (and Peter is discouraging) is that they see the high prices at Passions so they negotiate with the chicas and try to meet them before or after work. This is common in all the casas (all mongers know this!). The casa sets a price, you get the chica's digits, and hook up with them before or after work. You get a cheaper price for the same merchandise. The casa chica, as well as those who work in Passions, understand that this is a 'no no' but do it anyway, understanding that they can get into trouble if they get caught.

Peter cannot really tell the difference between a chica at Passions making these type of arrangements or one who randomly meets a monger after work and goes home with the guy (it is not like Peter sees a chica drinking beers with mongers and knows for sure that the guy is taking her back to the hotel! Heck, I've treated quite a number of chicas to beers and never took them back with me!)

Peter, as well as the workers at Blackbeards, do read these boards. It is not unusual when one seriously criticizes Blackbeards on ISG that someone (who works at Blackbeards) counters it by saying all these positive things about the place. It is not a bad place but it does have problems that they want to conceal (negative comments are bad for business!). John, the owner himself, has commented at Blackbeards about comments made on this board (yes, guys, I did hear it from the horse's mouth!).
(Heck, the government in Santo Domingo was using some of the evidence on these boards and started an investigation against a hotel owner, in Sosua, [and the owner was forced to sell the hotel! From my understanding it is no longer used for this purpose!])

You comment on this board what you did with a Passion's chica and Peter knows!

I've seen Passions chicas hanging out all night, after work, with Peter nowhere to be found. I am guessing that Peter walks around, on occasion, to discourage the chicas from negotiating outside the place. I know of quite a number of chicas, who work at Passions, and showed up before or after work, at a monger's hotel (these were not isolated incidents but happened often enough. They were charging practically half the price of Passions!).

The chicas who get caught are probably making it obvious while there are other chicas in the place who are informing Peter of some of these happenings. I said this in the Boca Chica thread and I'll say it hear-someone is always keeping an eye on you. If you want privacy hanging out with a chica Pedro Clisante is not the way to go. Clisante is a small strip and everyone talks about what everyone else is doing. If the chica uses discretion, keeps it low key, then Passions will simply not know. I am sure that Peter would never approach me, asking for a salida. This cannot be said of the chica, who works for him! The chica was most likely intimidated.

John Gault
07-02-11, 02:03
It happened to Madaline a couple of years ago. Peter got I think it was 4 days worth of salida's. The only thing that saved the guy was that Peter knew she was at passions till her shift ended at 9 pm. I know this cause at the time, I was with one of her other more popular sisters at the time.

Unfortunitely Peter has it in his head that the girls belong to him 24/7 regardless if their shift gas ended.Quote { The only thing that saved the guy was that Peter knew she was at passions till her shift ended at 9 pm }

Would you please be a little more clearer on that statement. This Peter, is he some kind of tough guy? I get that impression from your post.

Anyway I was in Passions once, and although a little expensive I still liked the whole setup. Between Classico, and Passions I like Sosua very much. Now all I need is for Spirit to fly to POP, and I will be a happy camper.

Combo
07-02-11, 03:49
JG,

I'm guessing Peter just wouldn't allow the guy to go to Passion's anymore. FWIW, if you're going to make

an arrangement with one of the Passion's girls, don't meet her in public. I don't think there's much

risk if she comes directly to your hotel room. But if you're hanging together in public, someone's going to

see you and it will get back to Peter. The girl will get fined, and you won't be allowed back.

Kitie Carson
07-02-11, 04:57
My time in Sosua was unbelievable. More friends were made, New experiences were had, and I definitely will be back. SOSUA IS NOT DEAD!

All giddy and stuff about hitting Blackbeards! My trip there in January went well and I was anxious to see what gals were still around and who was new. MY 3 wingmen and I caught a taxi from TL to BB for $45. Split 4 ways wasn't bad at all, considering a taxi from POP to BB is $40. How that taxi Mafia comes up with the prices is beyond me.

The 4 of us PLUS Lomo from CRT who I had met on my August '10 CR trip were all checking in today. Lomo was coming in on a flight from the States in the afternoon too, so we all were getting there around the same time. We get to BB's and walked in the front and the Lovely sight of Chicas in Bikinis was like Angels singing! Yohanny, Roniely, Kersia, Kenia and others were all there looking Hot as usual. Check in was quick and efficient, and I made my way to the A, B, C building to drop off my luggage and get back down to the bar.

I had intended to chill at the bar and get Re-acquainted with the bartenders and chicas (Plan A) , BUT Kenia and her cute self in the little bikini was just too much for me to handle, so off to the room for a ST session, and my 1st BB nut of many that week. For those that have not met Kenia, she is a cutie, with 2 Bambinos, Small body, beautiful face. In Jauary I did both an ST and TLN with her and each time she was great. She did not disappoint this time either!

After session went back to bar to wait for Lomo to arrive. And arrive he did. He came in like a hurricane. Evenwith a jacket on and it was hot and Humid. I would've been dying. But to his credit he is from an area that was still cool. I don't think he had to wait too long for his room, But before I knew it he was gone, along with a chica. The man moves like a ninja!

1 minute he's around the next POOF! Gone! I can tell he loves that place as do I.

My January Favorita Roni, is now Miss Popular and was very hard to get the first few days I was there. She is 1 Hot Chica. Long black hair, PERFECT body and the best Natural Breasts I have ever seen. PERIOD! She has even toned up better than she was in January. I have pics of her from my January TR. Unfortunately my Camera was MIA so all my pics were finito!

The rest of the evening just sitting around catching up with everyone. No TLN for me tonite, But there will be in the future. Tbc

BeaverHunter
07-02-11, 06:02
The question was put out if seeing chicas outside of passions without paying a salida could happen and what can posibly happen if Peter finds out or sees it happen and I answered the question. Is it rare that Peter finds out? Yes absolutely. Maybe for every time he catches the chica a hundred times a chica is successful when meeting a monger without the monger paying a salida. Based on what I know and what was told to me by other ex-passion chicas and the incident I mentioned in my earlier post Peter does attempted to get what he feels is his money. Again I am only responding to a question that I do have some info about.

PS Yes I do know he reads these boards as well as BB's. Also keep on mind he is a businessman first and foremost and he doesn't mix business with pleasure.

Charles Pooter
07-02-11, 06:46
My 3 wingmen and I caught a taxi from TL to BB for $45. Split 4 ways wasn't bad at all, considering a taxi from POP to BB is $40. How that taxi Mafia comes up with the prices is beyond me.I cannot follow your logic here. The number of passengers never affects the price on the North Coast (I cannot speak for the rest of the DR), it is charged purely on distance, not per passenger. So as TL to Barba Negra is no more than 15% further than POP airport to Barba Negra, these prices work out near enough the same per mile. I cannot see how one can be "not bad" and the other evidence of an incomprehensible Mafia. Especially considering airport taxis are more expensive all over the world.

Incidentally, if you guys had walked up to the Parada de Puerto Plata opposite Texaco you could have hired a dedicated publico to BB for 40% of the price you paid. Or for 50% he would have driven down to TL and collected you all.

I have to agree with you, though, that the Barba Negra selection is looking good, probably the best ever (except that there are no longer any Haitians there). They have finally pensioned off the veterans and fatties (some of whom are now hooking in Sosúa).

Kitie Carson
07-02-11, 06:58
I cannot follow your logic here. The number of passengers never affects the price on the North Coast (I cannot speak for the rest of the DR) , it is charged purely on distance, not per passenger. So as TL to Barba Negra is no more than 15% further than POP airport to Barba Negra, these prices work out near enough the same per mile. I cannot see how one can be "not bad" and the other evidence of an incomprehensible Mafia. Especially considering airport taxis are more expensive all over the world.

Incidentally, if you guys had walked up to the Parada de Puerto Plata opposite Texaco you could have hired a dedicated publico to BB for 40% of the price you paid. Or for 50% he would have driven down to TL and collected you all.That wasn't the point of the post. And as usual you provided nothing of use. I'm not going to even get into it with you as your previous responses to peoples TR's just

Make others not want to share. I'm not a newbie to DR or to mongering, but I do like to let other's, who do not know it all like you, know of my experiences and Little tid-bits like taxi ricing.

So I will go on to say I was just saying it only cost me $10-$15 from point A to point B with us splitting the costs. I love DR and will be back. Sosua is alive and I had a

Blast.

Boriman
07-02-11, 08:54
The question was put out if seeing chicas outside of passions without paying a salida could happen and what can posibly happen if Peter finds out or sees it happen and I answered the question. Is it rare that Peter finds out? Yes absolutely. Maybe for every time he catches the chica a hundred times a chica is successful when meeting a monger without the monger paying a salida. Based on what I know and what was told to me by other ex-passion chicas and the incident I mentioned in my earlier post Peter does attempted to get what he feels is his money. Again I am only responding to a question that I do have some info about.

PS Yes I do know he reads these boards as well as BB's. Also keep on mind he is a businessman first and foremost and he doesn't mix business with pleasure.Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated.

Mr Enternational
07-02-11, 08:59
Get your Spanish right before your trip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9rqFBMxtc&feature=related

Mr Enternational
07-02-11, 09:06
Just wondering how many chicas are at Black Beard's at any one time? What is the chica to monger ratio? No intentions on going, but Kitie and all his buddies piling up to go made me curious.

Voyajer1
07-02-11, 11:10
The ratio was always 2 sometime 3 to one, chicas vs fellows at any time. The girls now have to be there in shifts, one early and one late. Some of the gilrs stay the whole day. When they have a bikini contest, the ratio is higher befoe the contest because they are all there supporting each other. Of course, during the contest, the ratio goes down due to all the outside guests that come to watch the contest. This is again, what I observed.


Just wondering how many chicas are at Black Beard's at any one time? What is the chica to monger ratio? No intentions on going, but Kitie and all his buddies piling up to go made me curious.

Sidney
07-02-11, 12:57
Haye will meet Wladimir Klitschko for three of the division's four major belts on Saturday in Hamburg, Germany – shown live in the USA on HBO beginning at 4:45 pm Eastern. And repeated at 945pm Eastern. WHERE CAN WE SEE THIS FIGHT?

Bad Apple2
07-02-11, 16:36
I was in passions last week and heard a rumor that there hottest talent had left! Lorena! Anybody else here that?

Mr Gogo
07-02-11, 19:03
I was in passions last week and heard a rumor that there hottest talent had left! Lorena! Anybody else here that?Peter is very internet savy. A couple of my girls have him on their FaceBook pages doing promotions for his buisiness. Some girls are "exclusives" for high paying clientelle. Don't even think Peter has time to investigate if his girls are visiting Classicos. The under ground gossip line will let him kmow whats going on.

Understand that as much as you try, there are no secrets in Sosua. Motoconcho guys, nightime security, even the guys hustling on the streets are all spys. Not to mention the girls in the nail and hair salon, or the bar girls.

Peter is three steps ahead of the game so don't think you are pulling a fast one on him. He also posts on this forum.

Berthold
07-02-11, 20:30
I was in passions last week and heard a rumor that there hottest talent had left! Lorena! Anybody else here that?Why don`t you ask her she lived / lives above Seacrets disco in Sosua.

Bad Apple2
07-02-11, 22:41
Well guess ill have to find a new passions hottie next trip!

Dondi135
07-02-11, 22:58
Get your Spanish right before your trip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg9rqFBMxtc&feature=relatedWhat you said about my mama? LMAO

Kitie Carson
07-02-11, 23:31
Just wondering how many chicas are at Black Beard's at any one time? What is the chica to monger ratio? No intentions on going, but Kitie and all his buddies piling up to go made me curious.10-20. With generally 10 or so during the day shift. More at night.

Frannie
07-03-11, 00:24
If you do not mind a dumb question Frannie, as your place does not allow women in, the effective cost of what you are describing above is 1000 pesos + cabana (or other location cost)? Given your predilection for daytime walking-arounds, I presume you are not speaking of women at bars, where location might be included? Thanks.Not if you do her at a massage parlor or she has her own room. Got 500 peso massage and BJ today with no room charges. It takes a bit of negotiating. Currently working on the 300 peso BJ. The trick is like buying stocks on the stock market. Hang out a bid at a price you are prepared to pay, and see if anything bites. Make sure you only go out with the money you are prepared to spend. Show her how much is in your pockets. If she say no, then just forget it, but they hardly ever do say no when they see they can get what is in your pocket or nothing. You need to be prepared to walk. But also offer repeat business if merited. 2 x 1000 pesos equals 2000 pesos.

Tempoecorto
07-03-11, 01:42
Not if you do her at a massage parlor or she has her own room. Got 500 peso massage and BJ today with no room charges. It takes a bit of negotiating. Currently working on the 300 peso BJ. The trick is like buying stocks on the stock market. Hang out a bid at a price you are prepared to pay, and see if anything bites. Make sure you only go out with the money you are prepared to spend. Show her how much is in your pockets. If she say no, then just forget it, but they hardly ever do say no when they see they can get what is in your pocket or nothing. You need to be prepared to walk. But also offer repeat business if merited. 2 x 1000 pesos equals 2000 pesos.Frannie: I have to say it. Many times, while reading (and all by myself) the various reports, I crack up. Many of the contributors here have an understated and wry sense of humor which really goes down well. This one was one like that. Loved it. Especially the stock market analogy. Buying on a dipping market to do dollar cost averaging!

On that note, are these massage parlors in Sosua like in Asia? If not what are these like. Advertised or a sneaky sneaky space? I certainly would like a serious good massage plus a serious happy ending. I still recall one in KL vividly that happened eons back.

God bless you all!

Manizales911
07-03-11, 02:24
Not if you do her at a massage parlor or she has her own room. Got 500 peso massage and BJ today with no room charges. It takes a bit of negotiating. Currently working on the 300 peso BJ. The trick is like buying stocks on the stock market. Hang out a bid at a price you are prepared to pay, and see if anything bites. Make sure you only go out with the money you are prepared to spend. Show her how much is in your pockets. If she say no, then just forget it, but they hardly ever do say no when they see they can get what is in your pocket or nothing. You need to be prepared to walk. But also offer repeat business if merited. 2 x 1000 pesos equals 2000 pesos.If all I'm looking for is a 500 pesos massage and blow job I just go to Belki's, right down the street from NG and TL, convenient, open all day, no BS. Matter of fact I'll be making a few stops there next week, hahaha.

Boriman
07-03-11, 07:26
Peter is very internet savy. A couple of my girls have him on their FaceBook pages doing promotions for his buisiness. Some girls are "exclusives" for high paying clientelle. Don't even think Peter has time to investigate if his girls are visiting Classicos. The under ground gossip line will let him kmow whats going on.

Understand that as much as you try, there are no secrets in Sosua. Motoconcho guys, nightime security, even the guys hustling on the streets are all spys. Not to mention the girls in the nail and hair salon, or the bar girls.

Peter is three steps ahead of the game so don't think you are pulling a fast one on him. He also posts on this forum.You are right about this. This is why I always have a good rapport with the security at hotels. They usually know what is going on and talk to security from other hotels. They have given me advice on many occasions and I have avoided getting myself into quite a number of dilemmas.

I also communicate with some of the taxi drivers (talk about guys who know and can get you anything!). As for the chicas we call it "bochinche!" (gossip). I always joke with the chicas about it and they usually get a kick out of it. I always tell people who visit there that we are just tourists while the chicas live there. They do this all day long, practically year round, while we just do it for a couple of weeks. When people hang around all the time all they have in way of news is talking about each other. I see this in my neighborhood all the time-people hanging out and just paying attention to what others are doing.

As for Peter he admitted to me that he read these forums. He is an okay guy, trying to make a living. It is amazing how far Passions has come from a small bar with Christmas lights to the place it is today.

TomJackin
07-03-11, 07:44
If all I'm looking for is a 500 pesos massage and blow job I just go to Belki's, right down the street from NG and TL, convenient, open all day, no BS. Matter of fact I'll be making a few stops there next week, hahaha.Belki is one of the sweetest women I've ever met. I'm with you Manizales, I stop there at least once or twice a trip.

Manizales911
07-03-11, 14:37
Peter is very internet savy. A couple of my girls have him on their FaceBook pages doing promotions for his buisiness. Some girls are "exclusives" for high paying clientelle. Don't even think Peter has time to investigate if his girls are visiting Classicos. The under ground gossip line will let him kmow whats going on.

Understand that as much as you try, there are no secrets in Sosua. Motoconcho guys, nightime security, even the guys hustling on the streets are all spys. Not to mention the girls in the nail and hair salon, or the bar girls.

Peter is three steps ahead of the game so don't think you are pulling a fast one on him. He also posts on this forum.A truer statement has never been made "there are no secrets in Sosua".

On my last trip to Sosua I told my "regular" I was arriving three days later than I actually was. I was staying at Las Terrazas condos at the very end of DR Rosen so I thought I could pull it off. I wasn't there two hours and I received a text from her calling me a liar, hahaha.

Frannie
07-03-11, 14:50
Frannie: I have to say it. Many times, while reading (and all by myself) the various reports, I crack up. Many of the contributors here have an understated and wry sense of humor which really goes down well. This one was one like that. Loved it. Especially the stock market analogy. Buying on a dipping market to do dollar cost averaging!

On that note, are these massage parlors in Sosua like in Asia? If not what are these like. Advertised or a sneaky sneaky space? I certainly would like a serious good massage plus a serious happy ending. I still recall one in KL vividly that happened eons back.

God bless you all!The massage parlors are mostly beauty salons where you can get a haircut, pedicure, or manicure too, but they have a booth or two at the back for massage. Typically girls sit outside handing out flyers for massage 300 pesos for 1/2 hour. 500 pesos for 1 hour. Some are legitimate masagistas with a diploma and others are just selling sex. It is all wonderfully sleazy. If she squeezes your junk before you take off your clothes, then chances are she is not a legitimate masseuse, however the real trick is to get a proper massage plus whatever sexual activity you want which is not so easy. However if the legit masagista is short of cash then she may be amenable to extra activity for propina, which could be anything from a handjob to full sex. It is all good clean fun. Over the years I have had full sex with a few legitimate masagistas, but you may need to build up a relationship to make this happen. A lot of the girls who do daytime massage are not out at night, probably because their families don't want them being putas, but working at a salon is more legitimate and respectable employment.

If a masagista starts to "accidentally" touch your parts and make you aroused and then asks if you want "masaje completo" it is a good idea to act shocked and say no, then she will have to try to talk you into it, and you can tell her that your wife would kill you, or something, and eventually of course you will give into her charms for a small propina nowhere close to the original quote. Also telling them that another chica will do it for x pesos is a good ploy. Then pull the money out of your pocket and note that you have only x minus y pesos, apologize and say you will return another time. By now she will probably have your dick in a vice grip and will not let you go. It is all a game. For a Dominican they will probably do full sex for 300 pesos.

Frannie
07-03-11, 14:54
Belki is one of the sweetest women I've ever met. I'm with you Manizales, I stop there at least once or twice a trip.She is a stalker. Please someone marry her and get her off that corner.

Uktraveler
07-04-11, 02:25
I am glad you agree with us (apart from your spelling of Sosúa) even if you are exaggerating a bit. No-one is suggesting it is the same as previously, just that it is probably the still the best value option for North American mongers who don't speak much Spanish (taking all costs into account, airfares, hotels, chicas, etc). And reports from sensible and truthful guys currently visiting confirm that most of them are having a great time, while some of the newbies are in seventh heaven.

My original and hostile response to Brendan's post was because reports like that could unnecessarily frighten away newbies and mean they miss a great trip.

By all means continue to alert people to specific downsides of Sosúa (there are many) but sweeping and totally untrue generalizations like "no haitianas" and "more expensive than ever" are out of order.

All you have to do now is persuade Brendan of your apparent change of heart.Humm, I was actually joking and don't agree with you in the slightest. I still stand by what I've personally seen and experienced there, independent of "Brandon" or whomever! Once again, SOSUA IS DEAD. Yes, there are still a few raving reports on this thread from the spoon-fed Passions and BB *****house mongers and from some isolated perv walking around the streets of sosua asking the handful of remaining Haitians,"guess what's in my pocket" or "300rd or nothing" but that's about it!

Just a thought, but when you're hard at work pontificating here, take a moment to consider that it's also irresponsible to create a picture of present day Sosua that's not accurate.

Mr Gogo
07-04-11, 05:27
Wishful thinking or just having some fun with the chaps here? Trust me, it's the latter.

Nope, didn't miss Sosua in its glory days, the crackdown or the aftermath. I could never be "content with the watered down version" of sousa as you call it, but I'm not an african american trying to live out some kind of rapper want to-be fantasy revolving around an over-priced working girl-house and a dated upstairs disco either.

Cheers!Damn dude, I first read your report refuring to the Sir Charles post and I liked it. But also Sir Charles made good points about its still being adventure to be had, even though not like before. Then I looked down at your reply to my post where you played the race card, and I lost all respect for anything you say. Is that where you are at now, playing the race card. You killed your own self because your best post ever you posted, was followed by a post exposing your biggotry. Damn dude why? You were finally starting to make sense.

Kitie Carson
07-04-11, 05:44
Damn dude, I first read your report refuring to the Sir Charles post and I liked it. But also Sir Charles made good points about its still being adventure to be had, even though not like before. Then I looked down at your reply to my post where you played the race card, and I lost all respect for anything you say. Is that where you are at now, playing the race card. You killed your own self because your best post ever you posted, was followed by a post exposing your biggotry. Damn dude why? You were finally starting to make sense.Because he's an idiot! Period!

BlackSultan
07-04-11, 07:07
Damn dude, I first read your report refuring to the Sir Charles post and I liked it. But also Sir Charles made good points about its still being adventure to be had, even though not like before. Then I looked down at your reply to my post where you played the race card, and I lost all respect for anything you say. Is that where you are at now, playing the race card. You killed your own self because your best post ever you posted, was followed by a post exposing your biggotry. Damn dude why? You were finally starting to make sense.I'm black and never went to the DR trying to live out a hip hop vid fantasy. I went to get busy with some Dominicanas.

Charles Pooter
07-04-11, 18:36
Humm, I was actually joking and don't agree with you in the slightest. I still stand by what I've personally seen and experienced there, independent of "Brandon" or whomever! Once again, SOSUA IS DEAD. Yes, there are still a few raving reports on this thread from the spoon-fed Passions and BB *house mongers and from some isolated perv walking around the streets of sosua asking the handful of remaining Haitians,"guess what's in my pocket" or "300rd or nothing" but that's about it!

Just a thought, but when you're hard at work pontificating here, take a moment to consider that it's also irresponsible to create a picture of present day Sosua that's not accurate.Well, we can just agree to differ. I urge newbies to read all the threads on all the boards and make up their own minds whether they can get better value (taking all their outlay into consideration) anywhere else. If they think they can, let them go there and report back to us.

I have no personal interest in encouraging people to visit Sosúa. Quite the opposite. I don't run a business there and I own no property there. There is still the same number of chicas needing or wanting to make money. Sure, the haitianas were thinned out for a bit, but have been coming back in numbers for some weeks, and the dominicanas haven't gone anywhere. They are just hungrier. So with the same number of chicas but far less tourists (because of the purge and the usual seasonal factors) , it follows that prices will drop. And that is indeed what is happening. And if the trend continued, the same would apply to bars and restaurants eventually. My close friends either live here or will regularly return. So, taking a selfish view, if the number of mongers visiting greatly declined, it would be to my personal advantage. But I would hate to discourage any newbie hesitating to come and stop them having the time of their life as is being reported by guys week after week. And they don't have to pay Passions or Blackbeards prices either.

I like your use of the word "pontificating".

Dan The Man69
07-04-11, 19:42
Well, we can just agree to differ. I urge newbies to read all the threads on all the boards and make up their own minds whether they can get better value (taking all their outlay into consideration) anywhere else. If they think they can, let them go there and report back to us.

I have no personal interest in encouraging people to visit Sosúa. Quite the opposite. I don't run a business there and I own no property there. There is still the same number of chicas needing or wanting to make money. Sure, the haitianas were thinned out for a bit, but have been coming back in numbers for some weeks, and the dominicanas haven't gone anywhere. They are just hungrier. So with the same number of chicas but far less tourists (because of the purge and the usual seasonal factors) , it follows that prices will drop. And that is indeed what is happening. And if the trend continued, the same would apply to bars and restaurants eventually. My close friends either live here or will regularly return. So, taking a selfish view, if the number of mongers visiting greatly declined, it would be to my personal advantage. But I would hate to discourage any newbie hesitating to come and stop them having the time of their life as is being reported by guys week after week. And they don't have to pay Passions or Blackbeards prices either.

I like your use of the word "pontificating".Although I am still considered a newbi I agree with Charles. The less competition (gringos) the better. Supply & demand. Since I am obligated to go back to San Jose with my ex-boss in January, I am trying to squeeze in another trip to Sosua before then. Maybe when it gets a bit cooler. Of all the places, Sosua still holds it for me. Now if I can just talk my "boss" into a Sosua trip!

Tempoecorto
07-04-11, 20:57
This is to wish the whole group in PP and Sosua boards, along with the webmaster, the best, wherever you are!

Tempo

Kitie Carson
07-04-11, 23:15
Although I am still considered a newbi I agree with Charles. The less competition (gringos) the better. Supply & demand. Since I am obligated to go back to San Jose with my ex-boss in January, I am trying to squeeze in another trip to Sosua before then. Maybe when it gets a bit cooler. Of all the places, Sosua still holds it for me. Now if I can just talk my "boss" into a Sosua trip!Hey Dan. It was nice meeting you in Sosua. You were leaving a couple of days after we got there but We hung out at TL with the rest of my crew. I'm heading back down after Labor Day for a month. You should make a trip then and we can hang out again.

Ipanema Carioca
07-04-11, 23:40
Wishful thinking or just having some fun with the chaps here? Trust me, it's the latter.

Nope, didn't miss Sosua in its glory days, the crackdown or the aftermath. I could never be "content with the watered down version" of sousa as you call it, but I'm not an african american trying to live out some kind of rapper want to-be fantasy revolving around an over-priced working girl-house and a dated upstairs disco either.

Cheers!No UK, you're not a black dude trying to live a rappers life-style. However, most UK natives have had trouble buying pussy in Sosua's hey day. So I am sure you're having a hard time closing deals in Sosua now. Even when Help was open, Brits would be in front of the club with money in the hands and gdp refused to take it. Your comments about black people may be from your inability to compete with them peso for peso and real for real.

John Gault
07-05-11, 01:28
Wishful thinking or just having some fun with the chaps here? Trust me, it's the latter.

Nope, didn't miss Sosua in its glory days, the crackdown or the aftermath. I could never be "content with the watered down version" of sousa as you call it, but I'm not an african american trying to live out some kind of rapper want to-be fantasy revolving around an over-priced working girl-house and a dated upstairs disco either.

Cheers!You say a dated upstairs disco!

You must give me the names of the clubs you hang in.

If you read the boards on other Latin American Countrys you will find guys are dying for a Help type Diso from Rio's better days, and only have LDV in CTG, the Del Rey in CR, and Tequilla Rocks in Lima. Since I have been to all three I must say Classico is In the class of the other three. Oh, did I forget to mention that Classico is the better bargain than the other three.

Coolie High
07-05-11, 09:30
This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.

Lex460
07-05-11, 12:04
How is Sosua and POP during labor day weekend? Are there still chicas around during hurricane season? I noticed that flights are slim and far between during this time as alot of airlines cut back on operations.

Lex

Frannie
07-05-11, 15:37
How is Sosua and POP during labor day weekend? Are there still chicas around during hurricane season? I noticed that flights are slim and far between during this time as alot of airlines cut back on operations.

LexJuly 4th 2011. Deserted beach at Sosua.

Uktraveler
07-05-11, 17:38
Well, we can just agree to differ. I urge newbies to read all the threads on all the boards and make up their own minds whether they can get better value (taking all their outlay into consideration) anywhere else. If they think they can, let them go there and report back to us.

I have no personal interest in encouraging people to visit Sosúa. Quite the opposite. I don't run a business there and I own no property there. There is still the same number of chicas needing or wanting to make money. Sure, the haitianas were thinned out for a bit, but have been coming back in numbers for some weeks, and the dominicanas haven't gone anywhere. They are just hungrier. So with the same number of chicas but far less tourists (because of the purge and the usual seasonal factors) , it follows that prices will drop. And that is indeed what is happening. And if the trend continued, the same would apply to bars and restaurants eventually. My close friends either live here or will regularly return. So, taking a selfish view, if the number of mongers visiting greatly declined, it would be to my personal advantage. But I would hate to discourage any newbie hesitating to come and stop them having the time of their life as is being reported by guys week after week. And they don't have to pay Passions or Blackbeards prices either.

I like your use of the word "pontificating".Fair enough Charles. No hard feelings and have a good week.

SavePros321
07-05-11, 19:25
July 4th 2011. Deserted beach at Sosua.I don't think I've ever seen that much vacant space at that beach before. I would've been tempted to do cartwheels, LOL. But seriously, that is a sad scene, even for a Monday.

Someone should ask the Mayor:

"Where have all the tourist gone?

Long time passing

Where have all the tourist gone, long long time ago..."

Sing along!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55FZnYhCM-Y&feature=related

SavePros321
07-05-11, 20:11
Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.I hope that we don't end up spending weeks going on and on about race gents. But here is something we can all agree on:

In the mongering world, there is only one color that really matters: GREEN. It doesn't matter what race you are; if you don't have those Ben Franklin's then you don't get any pussy. Period! If you spend you all of your money on airfare and hotel and show up to Sosua broke, then you will be standing on the sidelines holding your dick while I, Coolie High, and others parade chicas in and out of Classicos for the duration of your stay.

(Note: I was not being "color-sensitive" as to money. Your country's currency color may vary, LOL)

Manizales911
07-05-11, 20:21
This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.Sir Coolie,

Though I agree that the "make it rain" crews that roll through Sosua doesn't hurt anyone's chances to get pussy it can make one uncomfortable and annoyed. I am caucasion and far from racist but I will in fact categorize that certain group of guys that go to Sosua and act like assholes, it just happens that these guys for whatever reason happen to always be African American, why that is I don't know. Believe me I have seen plenty of gringos from all parts of the world show up and act like idiots but that doesn't mean that the "make it rain" crowd doesn't exist, it does and we all know it.

For example, on my last trip to Sosua I was sitting in the restaurant in Sosua enjoying my dinner when a young man with his hat on crooked, wife beater and pants hanging down to his knees came into the restaurant area with a boombox set it on a table and cranked the shit out of it, making every patron in the place extremely uncomfortable including Lorenzo who was having dinner with his wife, child and some of his friends. He and his friends proceeded to sit there and shoot their filthy mouths off about all the things that they did with different girls that day. Now I know the NG is a mongers hotel but there are times where a person should know to close their fucking piehole and not put a boombox on a dinner table. At the NG it is obvious when it is considered dinnertime in the restaurant area because they put linens on the table but this clown could have given a shit. The whole time this was going on I was hoping Lorenzo would grow a set of balls and tell this mofo to pack up and get lost but he didn't and this assbag did the same thing the following night.

Just my 2 pesos

Rick Rock
07-05-11, 20:31
If you spend you all of your money on airfare and hotel and show up to Sosua broke, then you will be standing on the sidelines holding your dick while I, Coolie High, and others parade chicas in and out of Classicos for the duration of your stay.Not necessarily. Really depends on your game, looks, Spanish, etc. I got laid for free in Sosua several times over the years, including by some pretty well known working girls. I know others who have as well.

SavePros321
07-05-11, 20:54
Not necessarily. Really depends on your game, looks, Spanish, etc. I got laid for free in Sosua several times over the years, including by some pretty well known working girls. I know others who have as well.Well clearly you are exception Sir, LOL. But why come all the way to Sosua to try to score freebies with hookers? Surely you could do just as well in non-p4p locations, correct?

Uktraveler
07-05-11, 22:18
This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.I was mearly pointing out a well-establish fact. You elected to draw the race card, not me.

This "element" didn't (note past-tense)"hurt my chances of getting pussy in Sosua" because we were never chasing the same shade of skin.

Thanks for the warning about making it rain in Aug, but why bother. We ALL knew it was going to happen!

Mr Enternational
07-05-11, 22:36
For example, on my last trip to Sosua I was sitting in the restaurant in Sosua enjoying my dinner when a young man with his hat on crooked, wife beater and pants hanging down to his knees came into the restaurant area with a boombox set it on a table and cranked the shit out of itThey still make boom boxes?

Manizales911
07-05-11, 23:08
Well clearly you are exception Sir, LOL. But why come all the way to Sosua to try to score freebies with hookers? Surely you could do just as well in non-p4p locations, correct?LOL Savepros, I was thinking the same exact thing.

Manizales911
07-05-11, 23:10
They still make boom boxes?Okay Okay, it was one of the new ones that you plug an I-pod into, whatever they are called. Sorry, I am old school. Hahahaha.

Mr Gogo
07-06-11, 00:58
They still make boom boxes?Thats what I thought, haven't seen one in ten years. Everyone has ipods or Mp3s now. Damn can you imagine how much an airline charges for boomboxes if extra luggage is 25usd. If someone in Sosua sees this guy blasting his boombox in NG, please buy him an ipod, thanks.

DeepMmpactt
07-06-11, 01:45
This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.Checkmate. Coolie High. Well said,

I have seen a mob scene, I have it on video camera, and I will post it on you tube, a person was

Making it rain, but it wasnt benjamins or pesos, It was ahem. Condoms. Believe it or not,

I was there, during a reggaeton group, promotion, and they started throwing, condoms.

In the air, The people attacked the condoms like pirahnnas. Fighting and clawing, and.

They wasnt even Magnum XL, or large size condoms, but if, they were extra small, I wouldve joined in.

The frey. LOL. So you shouldn't, give a damn, about what the next man does. You do You. Like my,

Man Coolie High stated so eloquently.

Mr Gogo
07-06-11, 02:09
I was mearly pointing out a well-establish fact. You elected to draw the race card, not me.

This "element" didn't (note past-tense)"hurt my chances of getting pussy in Sosua" because we were never chasing the same shade of skin.

Thanks for the warning about making it rain in Aug, but why bother. We ALL knew it was going to happen!Damn dude again. Now you say "The Element" only chases one shade of skin. Just curious, what shade of skin does"The Element" or as you first stated" video rapper wannabe" really chase. The Sosua board is now turning into comedy central these days. Now I'm hearing different shades are restricted from different groups LMAO.

Golfinho
07-06-11, 02:32
Sir Coolie,

Though I agree that the "make it rain" crews that roll through Sosua doesn't hurt anyone's chances to get pussy it can make one uncomfortable and annoyed. I am caucasion and far from racist but I will in fact categorize that certain group of guys that go to Sosua and act like assholes, it just happens that these guys for whatever reason happen to always be African American, why that is I don't know. Believe me I have seen plenty of gringos from all parts of the world show up and act like idiots but that doesn't mean that the "make it rain" crowd doesn't exist, it does and we all know it.How many times in Copacabana we saw a pod of them would roll up to a kioske on the beach and in seconds the place clears out to get away from them. Scene there went downmarket in a hurry after they turned up. That's the way it goes in a free world. Don't like it. Move on.

Coolie High
07-06-11, 03:04
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Uktraveler
07-06-11, 05:00
You say a dated upstairs disco!

You must give me the names of the clubs you hang in.

If you read the boards on other Latin American Countrys you will find guys are dying for a Help type Diso from Rio's better days, and only have LDV in CTG, the Del Rey in CR, and Tequilla Rocks in Lima. Since I have been to all three I must say Classico is In the class of the other three. Oh, did I forget to mention that Classico is the better bargain than the other three.If Classico's fits your budget and you REALLY deem it to be on par with places like HELP DISCO in RIO then by all means go for it. Just make sure it's still open before you come because you'll have few, if any other options in Sosua. Unlike you'd have in Rio and some of the other venues you mentioned.

Rick Rock
07-06-11, 06:41
Well clearly you are exception Sir, LOL. But why come all the way to Sosua to try to score freebies with hookers? Surely you could do just as well in non-p4p locations, correct?Who says I went there for the hookers? I don't plan trips around the sex trade. I happened to be in the country for other reasons. I spent some time in Sosua, but also in other cities. I had friends in and around Puerto Plata. The sex was a bonus, however it came.

I ended up getting a few regular hookups, including two that were sex workers at two of the more well known places at the time (I think they're both closed now). Never gave a cent, though I did buy some ingredients for one to cook dinner for us occasionally. I even stayed with a girl there for a few weeks. I returned several times and never had trouble finding action.

And as I said, I wasn't the only one. So if I'm an exception, I'm not alone.

I'm not trying to brag. You don't know me and I don't know you, so there's nothing to gain. I'm just telling it how it is.

And yeah, I do well pretty much wherever I am. I am in an open relationship, I have regular hook ups, I swing. That doesn't mean I don't partake when the mood and opportunity strikes me. Sometimes it's impossible to beat the ease, convenience, and anonymity.

Mr Gogo
07-06-11, 09:38
Personally I'm tired of people blaming the demise of Sosua on young guy's just having fun and not harming anyone. No one has ever posted about these dude's starting trouble or getting arrested. No fight's, no crime, just guy's walking around with there boys and maybe trowing money in the air at the clubs. How is this a threat to anyone. I've been at bar's with euro guy's making racial comment's (like Uk traveler) and acting aggressive, then turn to fight their own country man. I've seen two drunk Italian guy's beat the shit out of each other in Sosua. I've seen two Dominican's knife fight in front of Classico's. I've had two Dominicana's fight over me at Merenge bar. But people here focus on young NY guy's in wife beater's as the problem? I've been at Boca Chica where a muscular dude with spiked hair and tatoo's walked around very aggressively. I even felt threatened enough to sacrifice my beloved beer bottle upside his head if needed, only to have him walk by and say "hey mate". When was the last time these young ballers made you feel you had to defend yourselves in Sosua?

Having said this, should I think it's racial? I've tried hard to stay out of racial topic's (check my history) but it's simple, some people don't feel comfortable around black's (even though we never harm anyone). Someone PMed me recently explaining this. Europeans aren't as used to dealing with black's that have money and freedom as Americans are. And as much as European's like Black pussy, they are insecure when they have to share Black pussy with Black men. The tolerance that Black men have had regarding this topic show's the respect we have for this board. I give Manizales 911 credit for stating his view's because he did it from a respectful platform. But other's don't know how to present their case without it coming off as pure hatred and blame. Yes. I'm mainly talking about the Euro guy's who want the brother's out of Sosua so they can have all the shades (your word Uktraveler) of pussy for themselves so their is no competition.

BTW where is the Euro king here, Sir Charles? You love black pussy and understand alot of what I'm talking about. But maybe you truly are smarter than me and know not to jump in these topic's.

Orgasmico
07-06-11, 11:56
How many times in Copacabana we saw a pod of them would roll up to a kioske on the beach and in seconds the place clears out to get away from them. Scene there went downmarket in a hurry after they turned up. That's the way it goes in a free world. Don't like it. Move on.Hey man, somehow mongers will have to find a way to co-exist because the world is finite. On a lighter note, maybe you would enjoy a movie like this about Brazil. These guys just seem like they want to have a good time and are looking for a getaway like everyone else. http://youtu.be/Cb5cyFyhfN8

Oakie
07-06-11, 12:34
This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.Hey, where's the love y'all?

Folks, sounds like Coolie's gettin a little, shall we say, tensed up?

That's what being too long away from pussy paradise does to us all Coolie!

Get yer ass down there soon or we be reading about you in the papers LOL.

We need your reports!

Oakie
07-06-11, 12:42
Sir Coolie,

Though I agree that the "make it rain" crews that roll through Sosua doesn't hurt anyone's chances to get pussy it can make one uncomfortable and annoyed. I am caucasion and far from racist but I will in fact categorize that certain group of guys that go to Sosua and act like assholes, it just happens that these guys for whatever reason happen to always be African American, why that is I don't know. Believe me I have seen plenty of gringos from all parts of the world show up and act like idiots but that doesn't mean that the "make it rain" crowd doesn't exist, it does and we all know it.

For example, on my last trip to Sosua I was sitting in the restaurant in Sosua enjoying my dinner when a young man with his hat on crooked, wife beater and pants hanging down to his knees came into the restaurant area with a boombox set it on a table and cranked the shit out of it, making every patron in the place extremely uncomfortable including Lorenzo who was having dinner with his wife, child and some of his friends. He and his friends proceeded to sit there and shoot their filthy mouths off about all the things that they did with different girls that day. Now I know the NG is a mongers hotel but there are times where a person should know to close their fucking piehole and not put a boombox on a dinner table. At the NG it is obvious when it is considered dinnertime in the restaurant area because they put linens on the table but this clown could have given a shit. The whole time this was going on I was hoping Lorenzo would grow a set of balls and tell this mofo to pack up and get lost but he didn't and this assbag did the same thing the following night.

Just my 2 pesosSosua is pussy party town, an open brothel.

Who can expect a quiet candle lit dinner in the biggest monger hotel? LOL.

There's other places for that.

Oakie
07-06-11, 12:50
Not necessarily. Really depends on your game, looks, Spanish, etc. I got laid for free in Sosua several times over the years, including by some pretty well known working girls. I know others who have as well.Sure you can occasionally get a free sample, but if you want more she will either want dinero or a committment.

We're talking Sosua here, where every chica has game.

Manizales911
07-06-11, 14:02
If Classico's fits your budget and you REALLY deem it to be on par with places like HELP DISCO in RIO then by all means go for it. Just make sure it's still open before you come because you'll have few, if any other options in Sosua. Unlike you'd have in Rio and some of the other venues you mentioned.Few if any other options other than Classicos? LOL. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a hooker in Sosua, what the hell are you talking about? Come down next week and I'll show you.

SavePros321
07-06-11, 14:33
Sosua is pussy party town, an open brothel.

Who can expect a quiet candle lit dinner in the biggest monger hotel? LOL.

There's other places for that.That's still not an excuse for people to act like complete jack-asses. The same argument could be made for an idiot who wants to blast music early in the morning during breakfast with no regard for anyone else; there's other places for that (like inside his room. If you want to blare music like a retard early in the morning just have them deliver your breakfast to your room).

I'm sorry but I got no love for people who show up and expect everyone to conform to their actions because "dats the way we do it back in da hood." (and for the record, I don't care if the music blasted was Rap, Rock, or a Piano Concerto. An idiot is an idiot, is an idiot, and "Idiocy" happens to be color-blind)

SavePros321
07-06-11, 15:36
I'm sorry but I got no love for people who show up and expect everyone to conform to their actions because "dats the way we do it back in da hood."This will all fall on deaf ears because most people don't give a fuck anyway, but just be warned if you try to take "da hood" every-fucking place you go on this earth (most of you that have been "black a long time" like me should know that "da hood" i am referring to is not a style of dress; it's a mentality). As a veteran monger put it to me yesterday via PM: "Life is cheap in Colombia."

Mr. Gogo can testify:


Most newbies do the mansion or the internet thing like they are slick, but Medelllin will not get exposed because the "fear factor" prevails. I love Medellin because I can fly under the radar and do what I want with respect to the city. Most guys can't tuck their tale and follow basic safety protocal, they want to feel they are kings in Medellin. Walk around Medellin feeling you can't get got and bingo, you got got. Medellin has adventure and cheap sex but its different than other sex spots. The sex is hidden and late night so respect that shit. The city won't allow you to think you are "the Shit" unless you want a pistol pointed in your face. Real talk from Gogo, shut your mouth and move quietly and fuck hard.

Sovereign
07-06-11, 16:12
First off, I'm black too, and for a while it bothered the shit out of me when I saw the groups of ny buffoons running around. Then I came to the same realization that Coolie so eloquently stated. Their actions don't affect my mongering at all. If they want to stand around in circles with their boys while I pick up chic as in Classicos, then better for me. They don' negatively impact what I'm going to pay the girl, or even which girl I go after (hell, it's all first come first served anyway).

The reality is that, you can take the goon out of the hood (well, you know the rest). Nothing you say or do will change them, so my advice is that we spend less time worrying about the other dicks swinging around you and focus on the matter at hand. Those brothas aren't affecting your ability to score all of the ass you can handle, so why stress over them?


This Sosua board is turning into bad comedy. UKtraveler keep your racial overtones to your self. This board is about sharing information on pussy. It's a damn shame what this board has turn too. What happen to the days when you can disagree with a monger respectfully. Since when does race hurt your chances of getting pussy in Sosua. This whole damn year cats been talking about black dudes from NY 'making it rain, and hurting the game. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Moutherfuckers crying and carrying-on. Where grown men gents.

Another person's action does NOT affect you in getting pussy in Sosua. I repeat, another mans action does not affect you in getting pussy in Sosua.

I don't even like to draw attention to myself but I'm seriously thinking about making it rain just to continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) people off when I go to sosua in Aug. But with all seriousness, FUCK what another man does in Sosua. You do you! If you don't like the scene then go to another scene that your comftable with and be cool. And for Gods sake leave the talk of race out of a monger board.

John Gault
07-06-11, 18:58
I'm a Italian American. I spend a lot of time in Latin American. When in Country I hang with white, black, Asian, and Spanish guys. If a guy is cool and pays his way then I am happy to share the hunt with him. If he is a jerkoff then He does not last the night with me.

I don't travel just for the Chicas. I also like to get away from all the BS in the USA. I spend money and time to Monger and I am looking for a good time and nothing else.

I also read and contribute to all the boards in the countrys I visit. If this racial nitpick BS continues I will disregard this board. Oh yeah just the board, not the DR.

One other thing I could never figure out. Maybe you guys could help me with this. You have all these men who really hate blacks, but sure do love the black oak. Go figure.

Mr Enternational
07-06-11, 21:14
Hey man, somehow mongers will have to find a way to co-exist because the world is finite. On a lighter note, maybe you would enjoy a movie like this about Brazil. These guys just seem like they want to have a good time and are looking for a getaway like everyone else.

http://youtu.be/Cb5cyFyhfN8The guy that did this "documentary" answer to the Essence article about Rio contacted me to be interviewed for his film. I don't exactly know how he got my info; maybe I met him in Rio or something. But of course I told him no. Why? Like Gogo said...


because I fly under the radar and do what I want and move quietly and fuck hard.I'll take the money but you can keep the fame. I would rather remain the continued subject of rumor and myth than to give anyone any hard evidence.

Uktraveler
07-06-11, 23:39
Few if any other options other than Classicos? LOL. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a hooker in Sosua, what the hell are you talking about? Come down next week and I'll show you.We weren't talking about hookers, we we're talking about clubs.

Bkgee
07-06-11, 23:51
Personally I'm tired of people blaming the demise of Sosua on young guy's just having fun and not harming anyone. No one has ever posted about these dude's starting trouble or getting arrested. No fight's, no crime, just guy's walking around with there boys and maybe trowing money in the air at the clubs. How is this a threat to anyone. I've been at bar's with euro guy's making racial comment's (like Uk traveler) and acting aggressive, then turn to fight their own country man. I've seen two drunk Italian guy's beat the shit out of each other in Sosua. I've seen two Dominican's knife fight in front of Classico's. I've had two Dominicana's fight over me at Merenge bar. But people here focus on young NY guy's in wife beater's as the problem? I've been at Boca Chica where a muscular dude with spiked hair and tatoo's walked around very aggressively. I even felt threatened enough to sacrifice my beloved beer bottle upside his head if needed, only to have him walk by and say "hey mate". When was the last time these young ballers made you feel you had to defend yourselves in Sosua?

Having said this, should I think it's racial? I've tried hard to stay out of racial topic's (check my history) but it's simple, some people don't feel comfortable around black's (even though we never harm anyone). Someone PMed me recently explaining this. Europeans aren't as used to dealing with black's that have money and freedom as Americans are. And as much as European's like Black pussy, they are insecure when they have to share Black pussy with Black men. The tolerance that Black men have had regarding this topic show's the respect we have for this board. I give Manizales 911 credit for stating his view's because he did it from a respectful platform. But other's don't know how to present their case without it coming off as pure hatred and blame. Yes. I'm mainly talking about the Euro guy's who want the brother's out of Sosua so they can have all the shades (your word Uktraveler) of pussy for themselves so their is no competition.

BTW where is the Euro king here, Sir Charles? You love black pussy and understand alot of what I'm talking about. But maybe you truly are smarter than me and know not to jump in these topic's.I don't post much Mr. GoGo, we had this chat before, and it's because of some of the comments made on the board. We are suppose to be posting info, not what I think about anybody on the board, or in the club in sosua, I thought we were all men here, I guess not!

Orgasmico
07-07-11, 01:02
this will all fall on deaf ears because most people don't give a fuck anyway, but just be warned if you try to take "the hood" every-fucking place you go on this earth (most of you that have been "black a long time" like me should know that "the hood" i am referring to is not a style of dress; it's a mentality). as a veteran monger put it to me yesterday via pm: "life is cheap in colombia."

mr. gogo can testify:you don't even have to go to mayorista to witness this. most of the clowns acting out in sosua are boy scouts in santo domingo (or even santiago) , if they ever make it that far out of sosua. the way i see it, if you carry yourself with positivity while others are doing dumb shit people will notice. as someone said, everything gets peeped out in sosua. that means the good, bad and the ugly.

Orgasmico
07-07-11, 01:26
The guy that did this "documentary" answer to the Essence article about Rio contacted me to be interviewed for his film. I don't exactly know how he got my info; maybe I met him in Rio or something. But of course I told him no.I have a lot of friends that go to Brazil and swear by it. In fact, many stop hanging out locally and don't even mess with stateside babes anymore because they just save their loot and count down for the next trip to Brazil. That being said, the way I see it there must be some exceptional pussy in Brazil to make guys put their shit on front street about going down there for bangs.

I'm like you when I'm in Sosua. A thief in the night. Silent assassin, whatever you want to call it but I lay low and keep my eyez on the prize. They tell me places like Thailand, Manila and Brazil are on another level, but maybe I'm not ready for that yet. It's already hard enough for me to get motivated to go to my office when I'd rather be on some exotic beach smashing.

Oakie
07-07-11, 01:53
That's still not an excuse for people to act like complete jack-asses. The same argument could be made for an idiot who wants to blast music early in the morning during breakfast with no regard for anyone else; there's other places for that (like inside his room. If you want to blare music like a retard early in the morning just have them deliver your breakfast to your room).

I'm sorry but I got no love for people who show up and expect everyone to conform to their actions because "dats the way we do it back in the hood." (and for the record, I don't care if the music blasted was Rap, Rock, or a Piano Concerto. An idiot is an idiot, is an idiot, and "Idiocy" happens to be color-blind) Fuck, now everybody's getting antsy!

I think you guys need a trip down there soon to work it all out LOL.

Just sayin, there's quiet restaurants next door to NG. Who in their right mind would take his family to the NG for dinner, with all those mongers and putas carrying on?

Drlawyer
07-07-11, 02:28
Fuck, now everybody's getting antsy!

I think you guys need a trip down there soon to work it all out LOL.

Just sayin, there's quiet restaurants next door to NG. Who in their right mind would take his family to the NG for dinner, with all those mongers and putas carrying on?You are guys are not appreciating the big picture. Its not about you, but about Sosua's continued existence as a monger destination.

There are many many forces at work from feminist do gooders, to politicians, to general haters, to higher end investors, who would love nothing more than to shut Sosua down as a monger destination.

In an ideal world, we can all walk around and say that race doesn't matter, that one guy's "gettin' pussy" and acting up doesn't affect the next man's ability to do so. But in Sosua, that is not the case. Each and every monger should take it upon himself to respect the people, the ladies, and the place. By doing so, we ensure that the place stays viable for everyone for a long time.

Don't be selfish. Just because there is prostitution doesn't mean one can disregards all basic decorum and "home training" as we used to say. Take care of Sosua, and it will take care of you. Treat it like a cum dump and shithole, and the forces of evil will shut it down eventually. Do not make the place an open air brothel.

To those Black guys out there who offended, don't be. Just try and understand that some of the nonsense that some engage in is seriously offensive to many. I actually remember when NG was a decent place to stay. Now its been turned to an open air brothel. Not a good look. Go out, have fun, handle our biz but a little respect and discretion go along way.

No body is hating on race specifically, but on behavior as well. Are some judged more harshly than others? Sure, but that's not anything we are new to. Be aware and have some respect.

Manizales911
07-07-11, 02:35
Sosua is pussy party town, an open brothel.

Who can expect a quiet candle lit dinner in the biggest monger hotel? LOL.

There's other places for that.You do not know what you are talking about. There is no bigger monger hotel than BB's in Costambar but you can go into the restaurant area and have piece of mind, same as NG usually, and certainly at nighttime. The point was that if the owner of the hotel puts linens on his tables in his restaurant every night in his monger hotel and is having dinner in the restaurant along with a few customers and friends it is incomprehensible that anyone would be rude enough, lack the common sense or be just plain stupid enough to walk into said restaurant and blast ear piercing music. Maybe it was you, hahaha.

Manizales911
07-07-11, 02:37
You are guys are not appreciating the big picture. Its not about you, but about Sosua's continued existence as a monger destination.

There are many many forces at work from feminist do gooders, to politicians, to general haters, to higher end investors, who would love nothing more than to shut Sosua down as a monger destination.

In an ideal world, we can all walk around and say that race doesn't matter, that one guy's "gettin' pussy" and acting up doesn't affect the next man's ability to do so. But in Sosua, that is not the case. Each and every monger should take it upon himself to respect the people, the ladies, and the place. By doing so, we ensure that the place stays viable for everyone for a long time.

Don't be selfish. Just because there is prostitution doesn't mean one can disregards all basic decorum and "home training" as we used to say. Take care of Sosua, and it will take care of you. Treat it like a cum dump and shithole, and the forces of evil will shut it down eventually. Do not make the place an open air brothel.

To those Black guys out there who offended, don't be. Just try and understand that some of the nonsense that some engage in is seriously offensive to many. I actually remember when NG was a decent place to stay. Now its been turned to an open air brothel. Not a good look. Go out, have fun, handle our biz but a little respect and discretion go along way.

No body is hating on race specifically, but on behavior as well. Are some judged more harshly than others? Sure, but that's not anything we are new to. Be aware and have some respect.I couldn't have said it better myself, thank you.