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Sosua has it's little subculture of sextourism but the really mind blowing thing about the DR culturally is that when you get outside the tourist area bubble the whole society has a startlingly player friendly attitude. I don't mean the whole country is like Pedro Clisante in the evening. I mean even in little towns a hundred miles from Sosua middle aged gringos can flirt with hot 19 yr old shop counter chicas or chicas at bus stops and they flirt back. They don't flirt back as a humorous crazy thing to do, they flirt back as in here's their phone number to text so we can hook up after work.
Several times traveling in guaguas outside tourist areas hot chicas moved next to me approaching a stop and gave me a quick look that somehow communicated. Pretend to be my novio. OK? I put my arm around them and they molded to my body. At the stop some young guys packed in. After they got off, the chica smiled, said gracias, and moved over a bit. Simple little story. Just avoiding getting groped in a crowded guagua. The last time that happened I kept up enough of a conversation I got her to meet me later and ended up spending several nights with her. No negotiating. I gave her some small presents. When I gave her cash I always had to insist she take it when she tried to hand it back and specifiy it was for some thing we had talked about that she really needed so it didn't seem like a payment but a gift from a novio. You can cynically say that's just a pretense but it's a pretty universal thing to dress up naked economic transactions in social and courtship rituals. Most of the chicas I'm talking about would be insulted and act accordingly if a guy just blatantly offered them money for sex. Most would be very much happier if you took them to eat, bought them little gifts and did no more than kiss them on the first date. Most would go straight to your room and fuck like bunnies on the second date without ever discussing money. But expect a nice regalo. I think that's mainstream culturally normal typical except those from fairly well off families (say the bottom 60 or 70%).
Outside tourist areas it's not that chicas are especially interested in gringos, they would be just as interested in any male who seemed prosperous enough. Being an extranjero though is enough of a badge of prosperity. It's like just being who you obviously are is similar to driving around in a new BMW in richer countries. The broader culture in the DR is much more accepting of younger chica older guy hook-ups as a natural expected thing that has obvious reciprocal benefits.Any of these non-tourist places have beaches nearby? I go to Sosua and / or Cabarete because they have nice beaches (as well as lots of action).
ForceSteeler
06-12-13, 05:48
I need to share my story because it is a story of even though you know these girls are generally up to no good you can still fall in that trap of marriage (almost) and other expensive mistakes...The Golden Rule to Dealing with Women Especially Working girls, and I want every Monger to understand this, Is That.
If a women truly likes you and love you, She will not want any money from you. You have to understand that these women in Sosua looks at a Gringo as a ATM Machine. That's it. They will say whatever they can if they feel they can get more bucks out of you.
And when you stop sending money, They will show there true feelings.
Example Just like Real Life Friends, You know who your real friends are when your down on your luck and broke, If you have friends that only hang around you because you can offer them something, They are not your friends.
Same Thing with women, If a women truly loves a guy she won't want any kind of money from him no matter how flat broke and poor she is.
Alot of these girls have Dominican boyfriends who are lazy and jobless and they love him to death and let him hit it with no rubber, and these Dominican men don't give there women shit, (No Support / Nothing at all).
On balance prices for chicas have been very stable in dollar terms at least since 2001 which is as far back as I know. Back then the standard was 500 pesos ST / 1000 toda la noche. Exchange was 15 DOP to the dollar so about $33. Then as now if you got into the campo well away from tourist areas and spoke some spanish less than half that would do the trick. As always living there and the prospect of a repeat relationship always lowers prices. Also prices always sticky to round numbers in pesos. It was 1000 for a long time until it shifted to 1500 DOP.
The quality of service is not directly related to price. Generally chicas don't respect guys for being real easy with money. It's sorta a prey signal that switches on their predatory instincts. Being kind or generous with a chica who deserves it is not the same as being seen as foolish with money.My God, you said that so well! Your second paragraph should be required reading for all mongers. Some guys just don't get it. Maybe it's a bit counterintuitive for some. Girls, especially in Latin countries, will treat you better if they respect you. And if you overpay (or just pay whatever she asks) , they typically won't respect you. They will think you are a pushover who can be taken advantage of. Much better to tell them (nicely) what you are willing to pay them, than to let them dictate the process.
This absolutely does not mean you should treat them badly. These girls are human beings and should be treated with dignity. But that issue should not be confused with price, as they are totally independent.
Alex Deuce
06-12-13, 13:43
My God, you said that so well! Your second paragraph should be required reading for all mongers. Some guys just don't get it. Maybe it's a bit counterintuitive for some. Girls, especially in Latin countries, will treat you better if they respect you. And if you overpay (or just pay whatever she asks) , they typically won't respect you. They will think you are a pushover who can be taken advantage of. Much better to tell them (nicely) what you are willing to pay them, than to let them dictate the process.
This absolutely does not mean you should treat them badly. These girls are human beings and should be treated with dignity. But that issue should not be confused with price, as they are totally independent.The above is flatly false. Money or being loose with it has no bearing on performance nor respect. Its an overall picture of the man that dictates the level of respect. How you carry yourself is what matters. Your being over simplistic and rationally incorrect.
Manizales911
06-12-13, 14:53
I need to share my story because it is a story of even though you know these girls are generally up to no good you can still fall in that trap of marriage (almost) and other expensive mistakes.
ShowdownYou're pulling our legs, right?
Manizales911
06-12-13, 15:01
To those guys who go to the DR and think they will marry a young and beautiful Dominicana uncorrupted by western values think again. Take them out of the DR and it won't take long to adapt to your culture and values. You then have an under-educated bimbo who will serve as a trophy wife at the janitors reunion. It seem amusing to see them off to the hair dressers or nail salon as a distraction but it it is really an obsession. You are an ATM machine that fuels a lifestyle they could not otherwise have. Most Dominican men are dumb and lazy. The women are not much different. If you marry one make sure you are subscribed to the cable channel that has spanish novellas because that is where they take their intellectual enrichment from.
It all seems exotic and exciting to be a 50 yr old guy with a 20 yr old wife. Wait until you are married and you are consistently an hour late as she does hair, nails and changes clothes. In 5 yrs with all the plantins they eat she will gain weight quickly. If she has a kid and you take him / her out after age 10 you will have a lazy dumb fuckup to support. Why do I sound so negative. I did exactly that. The son is a 21 yr. Old deadbeat with an IQ in the 80's, she was petit when I got married she had the face of an angel and a body made for sin. Now it is an ok face and the body of a beer keg. After 10 years she still speaks pigeon english. Evening are spent in front of the TV watching brain numbing novellas. She is great at spending money but has no idea how to earn it.
Human nature is the same everywhere. She is selling her youth and you your wealth; it is just you don't know it. You won't be supporting only her. There will be weekly calls asking for money. My wife's mother just got a computer and the skype rings every half hour. Amazing how quickly they can adapt to new technology. You are living in cognitive dissonance if you believe you are getting a princess on a budget. In reality you are buying an American woman who is intellectually and economically inferior and starting from a lower level. Everybody says that it will be different for them. Trust me it won't be. I have to escape to my office to hit a book for intellectual stimulation. I won't find it with her and her son.
Do yourself a favor. Visit the DR and screw your brains out. Don't fall in love or buy into the kool aid that Dominican women are so much superior to American women. Life's too short. When you feel sorry for yourself that you are alone and unloved, and even if you aren't intellectual equals, you at least have someone to keep the bed warm at night. If you want a warm bed get a dog. Don't sell your freedom just to have another body in your house. There is nothing more lonely than being in a bad marriage. If you are a guy of 50, you are no doubt surrounded by friends who are dying and pussy whipped living in non fulfilling marriages. Sex satisfies your physical side but not your spiritual development. Satisfy your sexual side and ignore your spiritual development and you will quickly learn how unsatisfying life is.Why don't you just divorce her fat lazy ass? Hopefully you were smart enough to have a prenup and even if you weren't get rid of her anyway dude.
Marc Anthony
06-12-13, 15:13
Any of these non-tourist places have beaches nearby? I go to Sosua and / or Cabarete because they have nice beaches (as well as lots of action).You could try explring further east on the coast along highway 5 to Rio San Juan and Nagua, beautiful beaches like playa grande. Go further and you hit the Samana pennisula. Often there are much less touristy towns you can explore just going inland from the beach towns.
The Golden Rule to Dealing with Women Especially Working girls, and I want every Monger to understand this, Is That.
If a women truly likes you and love you, She will not want any money from you.
Example Just like Real Life Friends, You know who your real friends are when your down on your luck and broke, If you have friends that only hang around you because you can offer them something, They are not your friends.
Same Thing with women, If a women truly loves a guy she won't want any kind of money from him no matter how flat broke and poor she is.Force,
You are such a romantic. I bet you watch the soap operas on TV.
No woman will hang around with a deadbeat unless she has nowhere else to go.
Then I began to fall so low,
Lost all my good friends, I did not have nowhere to go.
If I get my hands on a dollar again,
I'm going to hang on to it till that eagle grins.
Cause no, no, nobody knows you.
When you're down and out.
In your pocket, not one penny,
And as for friends, you don't have any.
I know an attractive woman from La Union whom I believe has three kids by local guys, but last time I saw her she was with her mom in La Sirena with a 30-something American husband in tow, and they all seemed very happy and keen to introduce me to the new guy. So much for the local guys.
Yes, some of the girls you have met may have local boyfriends. They are island people and may have grown up together since childhood. Lots of them will have sex with you too without a condom as long as they are on the pill. They will dump those local guys in a second if they have a shot at the big money.
When you finally get back upon your feet again,
Everybody wants to be your good old long-lost friend.
Said it's mighty strange,
Nobody knows you,
Nobody knows you,
Nobody knows you when you're down and out.
The Golden Rule to Dealing with Women Especially Working girls, and I want every Monger to understand this, Is That.
If a women truly likes you and love you, She will not want any money from you. You have to understand that these women in Sosua looks at a Gringo as a ATM Machine. That's it. They will say whatever they can if they feel they can get more bucks out of you.
And when you stop sending money, They will show there true feelings.This post belongs in the romance and dating sites somewhere else. We are mongers here. Mostly fuck and leave. Yes, it is nice to have girlfriends but they have needs also. They need money (that is how they met you in the first place) , sex, companionship. So moment you leave they look for local guys to satisfy them.
As for us, sex is rarely free unless you want to go with 30-40 something ladies who are financially stable. I had several ladies like that wanting to meet me in Phi.
If I want that old I will stick to my hand-LOL!
Our goal is find young energetic sex bunnies to rock our world specifically our dick. If somebody is looking for wife material they are in the wrong forum.
Tempoecorto
06-12-13, 15:40
I can't speak for everyone but this is what works best for me. I don't care if guys say 1, 500 or 3, 000 is what they pay. I know what my price is and I'm sober when I go about my business. There are always options, including girls that don't frequent PC, the beach, charamicos, etc.
Of course there are crooks with regular jobs, but I tend to think of the many people that don't make much but work hard and don't sell out for the fast money. These people buy pampers too and it takes something not to sell out for fast buck, IMHO.I understand your point and you are right. It is always good to know your specific stance with regard to a price point and not being drunk helps enormously. But Frannie's point was about the macro environment. I might be okay only paying a dollar for a gallon of gas but have no say in the final pricing. Of course, in this specific example of women in the D. R, fortunately we do have other options.
On the issue of sell out easy, perhaps I do not understand your sophistry but aren't we (the Johns) the mirror image (or the yin and the yang if you prefer) of a "puta"?
Tempoecorto
06-12-13, 15:45
Maybe I can help you my well educated friend, here is a hint. Don't confuse "Spiritual" with "Religious". Most people can't make the separation.I have no issue learning about either from the perspective of this member but either way, I cannot believe it will pass muster the admin.
ForceSteeler
06-12-13, 15:47
Force,
You are such a romantic. I bet you watch the soap operas on TV.
No woman will hang around with a deadbeat unless she has nowhere else to go.Then you never stepped into the real underworld / Street Life.
Again If a women truly loves you she will not want any kind of money from you, She will even give you her money, Which is why so many pimps get rich off of a prostitutes.
Trust me I use to be a bartender at a strip club. I have seen so many strippers and prostitutes give all there earnings to there so called Loser Boyfriend / Pimps, buying them clothes, cars and jewelry's all because she was so called in love.
My Point is just understand that these Girls in Sosua looks at you as a ATM Machine or in simplier terms, a Sosua Chick is just like a Gold Digger. That's it. If you ever fall on hard times and your money is gone, She will be gone too,
Because the whole relationship was based on Money / Support and Not Love, Which is why most of these Girls Leave as soon as she gets her green card. .
They look at a Gringo as a come up.
ForceSteeler
06-12-13, 15:52
This post belongs in the romance and dating sites somewhere else. We are mongers here. Mostly fuck and leave. Yes, it is nice to have girlfriends but they have needs also. They need money (that is how they met you in the first place) , sex, companionship. So moment you leave they look for local guys to satisfy them.
As for us, sex is rarely free unless you want to go with 30-40 something ladies who are financially stable. I had several ladies like that wanting to meet me in Phi.
If I want that old I will stick to my hand-LOL!
Our goal is find young energetic sex bunnies to rock our world specifically our dick. If somebody is looking for wife material they are in the wrong forum.I completely agree with you, My rules are the basic 3 F's. Find Fuck and Forget. Never wife a Sosua Puta.
My post is targeted at those Western Union Guys, The guys that so call think the girl they met in Sosua is there Girlfriend and She is not, As soon as you leave POP, She is fucking the next group of guys that land in POP.
Tempoecorto
06-12-13, 15:54
Force, You are such a romantic.Perhaps he is young, for whom it is the prerogative to be romantic,
For me, an old man, it is destiny to be rueful and acerbic.
Tempoecorto
06-12-13, 16:06
If I want that old I will stick to my hand-LOL!That cracked me up big time! Yeah, it is pay-go all the way down (as in the earth on a tortoise which is on top of another and so forth, all the way down).
Guys are going to pay what they are going to pay. More power to you all, LOL.
When I walk up into D'Latin and see chicas that spend money on cat suits, fake hair and Samsung Galaxy 4s and Iphones (while I'm rocking an Alcatel!) , that is enough economics for me. Same as me exchanging my money at Western Union and seeing the line of chicas collecting from the various novios.I have a cheap Alcatel myself, but I see very, very few iPhones in the DR and most chicas don't have the more expensive phones due to the high cost of data plans for them. Mostly they just want to call, message, and maybe Facebook (which you can do on free wi-fi).
The fake hair IS expensive, but this is really a business expense to make themselves look attractive, and beauty does not come cheap, even in the DR. In the day time they will often wear hair nets to protect the hair.
When I have been in Western Union or Caribe Express, I have not seen lines of chicas, but an assortment of people, including some chicas. Remember that many Dominicans get remittances from families overseas too. I have not been able to get close enough to determine if chicas are getting remittances from multiple novios, though that might be the case.
My policy in 2013 is to not go higher than 1,000 pesos. Like someone else said, it's not about what they ask but what you pay. It's a free market, open to complete negotiation.Agreed, you can offer whatever you want for sex.
I'll be Mr. tacaño with the putas, but I won't be Mr. gringo pendejo. On the other hand, I'm more than willing to buy a chica lunch that has a regular job in a hotel or give a generous tip to those in a restaurant. I'm generous when I see someone working hard and trying to make a decent way for themselves.Is this actually because you don't have much money to spend, or is it that you have plenty of money, but your moral sense overcomes any instinct towards generosity? What about a waitress who has sex with someone after work for money? Would you tell other diners not to tip her because of her moral turpitude?
Perhaps you could hand out religious tracts on Pedro Clissante.
The girl I met in Sosua claimed she has only been there a month. She was 27, had two girls, very skinny. She seemed truly genuine. Had the kids by a guy in the states who took off and left her to her own devices. She asked me to help her get back to Santo Domingo and to help her pay her 3 month back rent so she could get back in her house. Her two daughters were living with her mom. The week or so were were together in Sosua she was quite kind.
My first $700 dollar mistake. I gave her $200 for taxi ride from Sosua to Santo Domingo and $500 to pay her back rent on the house she was renting. I, in my mind, was trying to help the girl. She seemed genuinly happy to be back in her home.
That was the last time this girl was nice to me.
After that she wanted $1000 for a used refrigerator, $600 for a new gas stove, $1000 to fix her dilapidated car and to pay her monthly expenses which were about $800 a month (rent, water electric, furniture payments etc).
I foolishly did it all (except the car). When I went to see her (I was going to see her bi weekly) the double door fridge she bought was used! I was so pissed. On top of that I would go to Wal-Mart and bring $200 dollars worth of stuff-pampers for her kid, soap, presents for her etc. Thats on top of all of her bills I was paying plus my airfare and rental car.
You would think this girl would treat me like a king. No way. She was loud, ghetto, aggressive and ungrateful. And my trips to Western Union never stopped. Her food needs went from $300 a week to $400 a week.
Two straws broke the camels back- I had a friend from the ISG forum call her and pretend he met her in Sosua before. Instead of her saying she has a novio now she totally accepted to meet him and stay with him for the weekend at at resort.
The second straw was her pressure to buy her a new car, new breasts and to marry her. I actually damn near got a 15k loan to buy her a car. But then out of the blue something hit me. The words "hell no". I broke off all contact though she still daily tries to talk with me.
ShowdownIf you place a frog in boiling water it will immediately jump out.
However,
If you place a frog in cold water and gradually turn up the heat it will sit there until it gradually boils to death.
Putas know this.
Marc Anthony
06-13-13, 00:23
Then you never stepped into the real underworld / Street Life.
Again If a women truly loves you she will not want any kind of money from you, She will even give you her money, Which is why so many pimps get rich off of a prostitutes.
Trust me I use to be a bartender at a strip club. I have seen so many strippers and prostitutes give all there earnings to there so called Loser Boyfriend / Pimps, buying them clothes, cars and jewelry's all because she was so called in love.
My Point is just understand that these Girls in Sosua looks at you as a ATM Machine or in simplier terms, a Sosua Chick is just like a Gold Digger. That's it. If you ever fall on hard times and your money is gone, She will be gone too,
Because the whole relationship was based on Money / Support and Not Love, Which is why most of these Girls Leave as soon as she gets her green card. .
They look at a Gringo as a come up.I just see more shades of gray between a true love and a hard core mercenary puta. I think many genuine girlfriends who have been in a "normal" love based relationship for years wouldn't stick around indefinitely if you "fall on hard times and your money is gone". That's a pretty high standard.
Within dominican and haitian culture "keeping" women in long term relationships if a man can afford it is an ordinary thing.
Placage is a common word in Haitian Kreyol meaning essentially a secondary marriage, a semi formal mistress.
It's extremely common for dominican guys who are as well off as most members here to have wives, mistresses, novias, favoritas and still pick up new chicas. Our label for older guys doing this is "dirty old man" the dominican spanish equivalent is "viejo verde" literally a green old man. Emphasis on unexpected virility rather than opprobrium.
Each tier of relationship has expectations. Mistresses expect support and they expect not to be insulted by seeing the guy with other chicas near where they live. As long as they are supported the same is expected of them, not that they will be purely faithful but that they won't let the hood see them being unfaithful. Having another guy in the apartment paid for by their main guy would be a serious issue. Messing with somebody in another town would not.
Ordinary young chicas can be friendly to older gringos in this context. The same way they would dominican older guys with some money. It's a very harsh view of human nature to think people are often completely false in long term relationships, that they are ONLY there for the money, that one source of cash is just the same as another. My relationships with people are mostly a complex mix of different motivations. I tend to view all human relationships as to some extent calculated and self serving including the most selfless like parents and children. I also view mercenary relationships as in business as often being influenced by friendship, attraction, jealously and other emotions.
Even in the US there are pay for play girls I have good "relationships" with over years. I enjoy their company. The fact I pay them for sex absolves me of deeper more expensive obligations that would come if the sex was "free".
BoricuaOnline
06-13-13, 00:40
What is the moral of this story? The girls you meet in Sosua are not the girls who you think they will be back in the USA or as wives or even as decent girlfriends. They will constantly push the envelope to get more and more money and will sleep with another guy at the drop of a hat. Why? Because at the end of the day she is a prostitute.
Do not marry these girls. Do not send them money. Do not take care of their kids. Do not go to their houses or pueblos. And do not trust them.
ShowdownQué queeeeeeeé? (What?) This is a horror story whith no happy ending, or is she dead?
BoricuaOnline
06-13-13, 01:01
To those guys who go to the DR and think they will marry a young and beautiful Dominicana uncorrupted by western values think again. Take them out of the DR and it won't take long to adapt to your culture and values. You then have an under-educated bimbo who will serve as a trophy wife at the janitors reunion. It seem amusing to see them off to the hair dressers or nail salon as a distraction but it it is really an obsession. You are an ATM machine that fuels a lifestyle they could not otherwise have. Most Dominican men are dumb and lazy. The women are not much different. If you marry one make sure you are subscribed to the cable channel that has spanish novellas because that is where they .Oh my god another horror story, Hallowen in June? Thanks for sharing. A happy ending for this story will be, :she got electrocuted by the hair dryer.
very interesting your's and Showdown stories.
Tempoecorto
06-13-13, 01:18
I just see more shades of gray between a true love and a hard core mercenary puta. I think many genuine girlfriends who have been in a "normal" love based relationship for years wouldn't stick around indefinitely if you "fall on hard times and your money is gone". That's a pretty high standard.Good, thoughtful post. The psychologists will tell us that losing a job or having financial difficulties is one of the prime reason why marriages (relationships) go south. It even brings problem for the children with mistreatments as lack of money is a major stressor. This is true around the Globe but of course is seen more often and clearly in the West where women are independent and can afford to live separately.
Interesting perspective on viejo verde: appreciation rather than opprobrium!
Is this actually because you don't have much money to spend, or is it that you have plenty of money, but your moral sense overcomes any instinct towards generosity? What about a waitress who has sex with someone after work for money? Would you tell other diners not to tip her because of her moral turpitude?
Perhaps you could hand out religious tracts on Pedro Clissante.Very funny. Reminds me of the Jehovah Witnesses that were trying to convert me while I was having brunch at Baileys recently.
Of course I could pay more, but why do it? One thing I agree with Oldkool on is his statement that Sosua is a "buyer's market." I like doing things on "my terms." For me, getting shit on my terms is just as satisfying as everything else. I'm not in Sosua to solve a puta's problems. I've had chicas come at me for 500 pesos more than once during trips so I don't see 1, 000 as a big deal. Like I said, if they want a new blackberry or need some dude to buy them a Hennessy in D'Latin, I'm not the one. They will find the guys in their price range and I will find the chicas in mine. I get my nutt and then its off to the next thing.
As far as the waitress, if she is fucking a gringo after work, more power to her, but at least she is working a regular square gig, which is something I value seeing. Something about it signals character and responsibility in my eyes.
I don't hold the opinion that every female in Sosua is a hoe. I've seen some of these girls grow up. I can't speak for what everyone does, but I know chicas that I have never personally witnessed selling pussy on PC or the beach or their pics on monger sites in almost a decade. I'm not saying that they've never done it or don't do it, but I haven't seen it.
After that she wanted $1000 for a used refrigerator, $600 for a new gas stove, $1000 to fix her dilapidated car and to pay her monthly expenses which were about $800 a month (rent, water electric, furniture payments etc).
I foolishly did it all (except the car). When I went to see her (I was going to see her bi weekly) the double door fridge she bought was used! I was so pissed. On top of that I would go to Wal-Mart and bring $200 dollars worth of stuff-pampers for her kid, soap, presents for her etc. Thats on top of all of her bills I was paying plus my airfare and rental car.Kinda at a lost for words after this one, but thanks for sharing.
I haven't read this yet, but I was told it is a good read for mongering 101. Perhaps it might help others from having to go through a similar ordeal. http://www.stephenleather.com/private-dancer.pdf
ThunderDownUnder
06-13-13, 04:05
Kinda at a lost for words after this one, but thanks for sharing.
I haven't read this yet, but I was told it is a good read for mongering 101. Perhaps it might help others from having to go through a similar ordeal.
http://www.stephenleather.com/private-dancer.pdfA fantastic book and easily read.
Takes place in Thailand but is universal for mongering. A must read for every Monger!
Alex Deuce
06-13-13, 04:59
Kinda at a lost for words after this one, but thanks for sharing.
I haven't read this yet, but I was told it is a good read for mongering 101. Perhaps it might help others from having to go through a similar ordeal.
http://www.stephenleather.com/private-dancer.pdfGoing to Sosua for a mate is like going to Vegas for one. This is just intellectually small.
Mr Enternational
06-13-13, 07:45
Of course I could pay more, but why do it? One thing I agree with Oldkool on is his statement that Sosua is a "buyer's market." I like doing things on "my terms." For me, getting shit on my terms is just as satisfying as everything else. I'm not in Sosua to solve a puta's problems. I've had chicas come at me for 500 pesos more than once during trips so I don't see 1, 000 as a big deal. Like I said, if they want a new blackberry or need some dude to buy them a Hennessy in D'Latin, I'm not the one. They will find the guys in their price range and I will find the chicas in mine. I get my nutt and then its off to the next thing.I was just saying the same shit in the Bangkok thread the other day.
I don't know what some girl SHOULD do, but I usually talk them down to 500 for FS. My very first experience in BKK was a HJ at a massage parlor and I am damn sure I didn't give 500 baht for it and neither did my wingman who was in the curtain next to me. More like 200 or 300 max. There is no set price list. You pay what you can get away with or what she can get away with getting you to pay. Just because she initially told him 500 doesn't mean he should automatically agree to it and not get a lower price.
The standard price of a HJ at a massage shop is 500 baht. She gets 150 for the oil massage (100 if it's Thai or foot) and will be lucky to get three or four custoners during her 12 hour shift so why are you trying to get the girl to agree to jerk you off for 200 or 300 baht just because you can get away with it knowing she needs the money. In the name of simple decency please treat the girls with some respect.
You know I told my boss he same thing. The only reason you get me to agree to doing this shit is because you know I need the money. But don't worry. The girls will be fine. I tell them to just charge the next sucker extra to make up for the difference and they seem to be okay with that. If you have been on this board any length of time then you know there is nothing "standard" about me. I'm not in it to put food on anyone's table. I am in it to get my rocks off. If the girl has no problem with it I can't understand why the next trick would.
ForceSteeler
06-13-13, 11:30
I just see more shades of gray between a true love and a hard core mercenary puta. I think many genuine girlfriends who have been in a "normal" love based relationship for years wouldn't stick around indefinitely if you "fall on hard times and your money is gone". That's a pretty high standard.
Within dominican and haitian culture "keeping" women in long term relationships if a man can afford it is an ordinary thing...Have you guys ever watch the movie Casino? With Robert De Niro,
Robert De Niro had a wife that was a known working girl, and he tried to turn a working girl into a house wife, He gave her everything she could of ever wanted but she gave all her riches to a loser boyfriend because she was in love.
Of course I could pay more, but why do it? One thing I agree with Oldkool on is his statement that Sosua is a "buyer's market." I like doing things on "my terms." For me, getting shit on my terms is just as satisfying as everything else. I'm not in Sosua to solve a puta's problems. I've had chicas come at me for 500 pesos more than once during trips so I don't see 1, 000 as a big deal.Up to here you are doing fine. Pay whatever you want, or what you can afford.
Like I said, if they want a new blackberry or need some dude to buy them a Hennessy in D'Latin, I'm not the one.Again, this if fine. You just want to pay cash hire a girl for sex, you don't want to give gifts (especially not a phone so she can call you) , or a drinking companion.
As far as the waitress, if she is fucking a gringo after work, more power to her, but at least she is working a regular square gig, which is something I value seeing. Something about it signals character and responsibility in my eyes.But here is your inner preacher coming out again! What do you mean by a "regular square gig"? No waitress in the DR makes any MONEY just as a waitress. If you are satisfied with your waitress, would you give her enough tip to buy herself a Hennessy in appreciation of her character, etc.? I doubt it.
The prostitutes in the bar who say "OK. 1000 pesos short time, let's go" are providing you with EXACTLY the service that makes YOU HAPPY, and yet you seem to have less respect for them. However, while you may be a fine specimen, doesn't having sex with old men or fat tourists, some of whom smell of cigars or beer, take a certain amount of character to take on unpleasant work that many would not relish?
Mr Enternational
06-13-13, 13:44
What do you mean by a "regular square gig"? No waitress in the DR makes any MONEY just as a waitress. If you are satisfied with your waitress, would you give her enough tip to buy herself a Hennessy in appreciation of her character, etc? I doubt it.
The prostitutes in the bar who say "OK. 1000 pesos short time, let's go" are providing you with EXACTLY the service that makes YOU HAPPY, and yet you seem to have less respect for them. However, while you may be a fine specimen, doesn't having sex with old men or fat tourists, some of whom smell of cigars or beer, take a certain amount of character to take on unpleasant work that many would not relish?Last time I was in Sosua the girls had freedom to choose who they went with and the amount they went with the person for. If they wanted to go with a fat smelly mf for whatever amount then they had the final say, not the punter. So it may be time to set them straight since they seem to make such poor choices.
So what side gig do the waiters do if there is no money in the industry?
Last time I was in Sosua the girls had freedom to choose who they went with and the amount they went with the person for. If they wanted to go with a fat smelly mf for whatever amount then they had the final say, not the punter. So it may be time to set them straight since they seem to make such poor choices.
So what side gig do the waiters do if there is no money in the industry?I did not say they were making poor choices. I said they are providing a service for which there is a clear demand.
For female waitresses in tourist areas, dates with customers or remittances from boyfriends overseas are obvious potential sources of secondary income.
I am not sure of the current pay for waitresses, but recently I spoke to a very attractive hotel receptionist in Puerto Plata who is bilingual in English and she told me she gets paid 8000 pesos per month for full time work that includes weekend shifts. I confirmed her salary from a second source. 8000 pesos is equivalent to US$200. Waitresses may or may not also get some extra income from tips, depending on the establishment.
Last week a registered nurse working in a local emergency clinic told me she makes 30, 000 pesos per month working 12-hour shifts. That is equivalent to US$750. In the US a similar job would pay $4000 to $5000 monthly or more, depending on what state. (Much more in NY or California.)
How much does your affluent "flowers on the bed" girlfriend earn in the DR?
I have two good Amigas who are non pros. They make 6 k pesos a month for 6 day work weeks. This the norm. These poor girls have no frills in their lives. Education is not very usefull There are no jobs that pay. Leaving the country is almost impossible for the average citizen. Most girls hate being putas theydo what they have to do to survive. They walk in very tight shoes. DRugs and drink help them get through their days. Not to mention they have a very short shelf life on the streets. When you reach 30 you are over the hill.
Last time I was in Sosua the girls had freedom to choose who they went with and the amount they went with the person for. If they wanted to go with a fat smelly mf for whatever amount then they had the final say, not the punter. So it may be time to set them straight since they seem to make such poor choices.
So what side gig do the waiters do if there is no money in the industry?
But here is your inner preacher coming out again! What do you mean by a "regular square gig"? No waitress in the DR makes any MONEY just as a waitress. If you are satisfied with your waitress, would you give her enough tip to buy herself a Hennessy in appreciation of her character, etc.? I doubt it.Preacher? I said nothing about religion and I'm not trying to convert anyone to any religion or belief system.
An example of a regular square gig would be the waitresses at Rocky's. I'm not concerned about how much they make, but the fact that they are willing to have a regular job signals value to me. Perhaps others feel differently and that is OK too. I don't base my value system or how I interact with Dominicans on what mongers think.
As far as the DR is concerned, I've relied on my personal experiences in the DR, having Dominicans in my family, living amongst Dominicans in NYC, and having read many books about Dominican culture - including several books used in the Dominican school system to teach Dominicans about societal norms and values, etc. (see pic below for example).
When I give a person a tip, I don't care how they use it. If they really need money to buy drinks in D'Latin after work, that is their prerogative. I'm not there to solve their problems or pontificate to them about how to live life.
Last time I was in Sosua the girls had freedom to choose who they went with and the amount they went with the person for. If they wanted to go with a fat smelly mf for whatever amount then they had the final say, not the punter. So it may be time to set them straight since they seem to make such poor choices.In a free market, suppliers and sellers will eventually matchup under the appropriate conditions. If one end can't find a match, the appropriate adjustment will be made, to make a deal.
Unlike the pic below, which many guys have bought into (even in the DR?) ... I got the power, lol
An example of a regular square gig would be the waitresses at Rocky's. I'm not concerned about how much they make, but the fact that they are willing to have a regular job signals value to me.But that is a prime example! Why would any chica take a job as a waitress at Rocky's, which is a monger crowd hangout, except for a chance to meet mongers or tourists and get a shot at some real money? It has nothing to do with character.
The chicas who sit around in the bars are working for a living too, often having to put up with a very noisy and smoky atmosphere for hours on end for the chance to meet a man who will pay them for sex. Personally it would drive me nuts to have to stay in one of those places more than the five minutes it takes to grab a chica and leave.
Why would any chica take a job as a waitress at Rocky's, which is a monger crowd hangout, except for a chance to meet mongers or tourists and get a shot at some real money? It has nothing to do with character.Frannie, if that is what your logic dictates to you, who am I to tell you differently? You are entitled to your own opinion.
By definition, I guess a person would run into tourists, if they work in the tourism industry or a tourist zone?
Perhaps every chica in Sosua would like to meet a gringo to solve all of their problems, but I'm not sure what that has to do with deciding to work as a cook, waitress, Orange store clerk, etc. versus becoming a puta on Pedro Clisante.
Perhaps every chica in Sosua would like to meet a gringo to solve all of their problems, but I'm not sure what that has to do with deciding to work as a cook, waitress, Orange store clerk, etc. versus becoming a puta on Pedro Clisante.But look, most of the chicas working as putas can't get other jobs, because they don't have the necessary educational level or even the Dominican equivalent of high school graduation, so they can't handle money for a business, nor do they have the written, numeracy, and language skills necessary for a job in a place like the Orange shop.
Even a job cooking in a restaurant or as a waitress requires some basic culinary or service skills and many have done tech college courses locally in the hotel industry to help them get these jobs.
Of course the many Haitians do not have visas that allow them to compete with Dominicans for jobs with benefits, so they end up in massage parlors or working as putas, or possibly as domestic help or child minding. I don't see that as being a moral issue, but simply a case of making the best of the poor hand that is dealt to them. And isn't it the case everywhere that people will gravitate to the work where they can make the most money with whatever qualifications or skills they may have?
But my main point is that since your primary reason (I think) for coming to the DR is to have sex with different women, then why should those women who provide you with what you want at a price you can afford to pay be regarded any less highly than those who provide you with other services? Surely you WANT women to be available in bars so that they are ready to come with you and service your sexual needs when you wave your 1000 peso bill under their nose.
After all, as men who travel for purposes of sex with prostitutes, we are hardly in such an elevated position as to be able to look down our noses at our partners in this industry.
So pay whatever you want to pay or whatever you can afford, but don't make out that you are some kind of moral philosopher.
Have you guys ever watch the movie Casino? With Robert De Niro,
Robert De Niro had a wife that was a known working girl, and he tried to turn a working girl into a house wife, He gave her everything she could of ever wanted but she gave all her riches to a loser boyfriend because she was in love.Actually she had previously been a working girl, but is described now as a casino "hustler". She was already pregnant when he married her, so not entirely a case of trying to "turn a working girl into a housewife" as she made no attempts to return to prostitution.
After she married the De Niro gangster character she did give some money to her ex-pimp boyfriend Lester, ($25, 000) who gets a beating from De Niro's friends, but most of the real money and the $1 million worth of jewelry she got away with from the $2 million safe deposit box didn't go to him.
At the end the De Niro character says:
"After Ginger took off, she wasn't much help to anybody. She found some pimps, lowlifes, druggies and bikers in L. A. And in a few months, they went through all the money and all the jewels. After they found her body, I had a private doctor do another autopsy. He said they gave her a hot dose. In the end, all she had left was $3, 600 in mint condition coins."
The woman in the movie is also depicted as an alcoholic and cocaine addict, which might have had more to do with her inability to settle down as the wife of a mob boss.
So, yes, if you are a well-connected gangster, make sure you don't marry out of your class.
You can have big fun with the hoes. They can be your friend for years. They can not be your girl friend or your wife. They carry more baggage then you can handle. I am buddies with many of the girls I bang. I also enjoy hanging with them.
Have you guys ever watch the movie Casino? With Robert De Niro,
Robert De Niro had a wife that was a known working girl, and he tried to turn a working girl into a house wife, He gave her everything she could of ever wanted but she gave all her riches to a loser boyfriend because she was in love.
Have you guys ever watch the movie Casino? With Robert De Niro,
Robert De Niro had a wife that was a known working girl, and he tried to turn a working girl into a house wife, He gave her everything she could of ever wanted but she gave all her riches to a loser boyfriend because she was in love.Sosua is a monger spot that is famous for dudes catching feelings and marrying putas. There are many hardcore Sosua putas living in the states now as a result of some dude that turned his vacation into a marriage proposal.
One of the most recent cases in shown in the pics below. I heard she just had her first baby and was recently seen with hubby walking hand in hand down Pedro Clisante
Tempoecorto
06-14-13, 03:32
But my main point is that since your primary reason (I think) for coming to the DR is to have sex with different women, then why should those women who provide you with what you want at a price you can afford to pay be regarded any less highly than those who provide you with other services? Surely you WANT women to be available in bars so that they are ready to come with you and service your sexual needs when you wave your 1000 peso bill under their nose...That indeed is the crux of the question. Some men have this tendency: to badmouth their counterparts in the eternal game of lust, calling the other a "puta", as if being the John, somehow exonerates them, indeed allows them to be on the moral high-horse throwing stones at the other.
ForceSteeler
06-14-13, 05:02
Sosua is a monger spot that is famous for dudes catching feelings and marrying putas. There are many hardcore Sosua putas living in the states now as a result of some dude that turned his vacation into a marriage proposal.
One of the most recent cases in shown in the pics below. I heard she just had her first baby and was recently seen with hubby walking hand in hand down Pedro ClisanteYeah That's Danella (She Speaks Good English by the way) , I remember when she was fresh back in early 2011. I remember I used to fuck her for a whole weekend, She even let me nut in her. (Creampied). After a while I got tired reaching for the condom so we started bone'in raw.
But she quickly become hardcore, My whole team hit that for Free. (No Bullshit) , That was the only chica in Sosua, that I got free pussy from. She also had alot of money, (2-3 cars, and always walk around with alot of cash)
I don't know where she got it from, Maybe it was the dude in that picture that was taking care of her.
But even when she was with that dude, When he would fly back, She was fucking all kind of dudes on the side.
She is a prime example of what the hell I'm talking about.
Rebel Monger
06-14-13, 05:54
To those guys who go to the DR and think they will marry a young and beautiful Dominicana uncorrupted by western values think again. Take them out of the DR and it won't take long to adapt to your culture and values. You then have an under-educated bimbo who will serve as a trophy wife at the janitors reunion. It seem amusing to see them off to the hair dressers or nail salon as a distraction but it it is really an obsession. You are an ATM machine that fuels a lifestyle they could not otherwise have. Most Dominican men are dumb and lazy. The women are not much different. If you marry one make sure you are subscribed to the cable channel that has spanish novellas because that is where they take their intellectual enrichment from.
It all seems exotic and exciting to be a 50 yr old guy with a 20 yr old wife. Wait until you are married and you are consistently an hour late as she does hair, nails and changes clothes. In 5 yrs with all the plantins they eat she will gain weight quickly. If she has a kid and you take him / her out after age 10 you will have a lazy dumb fuckup to support. Why do I sound so negative. I did exactly that. The son is a 21 yr. Old deadbeat with an IQ in the 80's, she was petit when I got married she had the face of an angel and a body made for sin. Now it is an ok face and the body of a beer keg. After 10 years she still speaks pigeon english. Evening are spent in front of the TV watching brain numbing novellas. She is great at spending money but has no idea how to earn it.
Human nature is the same everywhere. She is selling her youth and you your wealth; it is just you don't know it. You won't be supporting only her. There will be weekly calls asking for money. My wife's mother just got a computer and the skype rings every half hour. Amazing how quickly they can adapt to new technology. You are living in cognitive dissonance if you believe you are getting a princess on a budget. In reality you are buying an American woman who is intellectually and economically inferior and starting from a lower level. Everybody says that it will be different for them. Trust me it won't be. I have to escape to my office to hit a book for intellectual stimulation. I won't find it with her and her son.
Do yourself a favor. Visit the DR and screw your brains out. Don't fall in love or buy into the kool aid that Dominican women are so much superior to American women. Life's too short. When you feel sorry for yourself that you are alone and unloved, and even if you aren't intellectual equals, you at least have someone to keep the bed warm at night. If you want a warm bed get a dog. Don't sell your freedom just to have another body in your house. There is nothing more lonely than being in a bad marriage. If you are a guy of 50, you are no doubt surrounded by friends who are dying and pussy whipped living in non fulfilling marriages. Sex satisfies your physical side but not your spiritual development. Satisfy your sexual side and ignore your spiritual development and you will quickly learn how unsatisfying life is.If you don't mind, I would be posting your message in another forum.
I understand you very well, in the past I had tried to see "those people" not as they are but by their perceived possibilities, unfortunately found out the hard way that they are where they are because that's where they belong. You can't do a thing to make their life better, and in the proccess, you make your life misserable.
One of my favorite books tells me that "it is not our duty to save the world but to make the best of ourselves", that's what I'm trying to do now.
Don't concern yourself too much with the past, learn from it and move on. Do what you have to do now, pay the price of freedom and enjoy life. It's only (maybe) too late the day you die. I heard Asia is a great place to find a young, beautiful and dedicated "new love every day", go and find out!
I got married (to a Latina) in 1987, I was happy before I got married, then it was "so so" (having a couple of daughters was great, until they started high school). I got separated almost five years ago (my decision) and I've been happier than ever before. Being single is great!
Damn, this thread and others are nothing more than overstated counseling sessions, Don't do this and don't do that.
For the sake of jesus' father, let people make their own mistakes. We call that,"Live and learn."
For those lost souls, I suggest a session with that gay fucker, Dr. Phil.
Some men have this tendency: to badmouth their counterparts in the eternal game of lust, calling the other a "puta", as if being the John, somehow exonerates them, indeed allows them to be on the moral high-horse throwing stones at the other.When I use the term "puta" I mean it to be the equivalent of prostitute. No reason to try and read more into it.
I remember I used to fuck her for a whole weekend, She even let me nut in her. (Creampied). After a while I got tired reaching for the condom so we started bone'in raw. My whole team hit that for Free. (No Bullshit)That's a pretty funny story
ForceSteeler
06-14-13, 11:54
That's a pretty funny storyWell you don't have to believe me.
Its not like I struck gold or something, I'm sure damn near the whole ISG has hit her.
Mr Enternational
06-14-13, 17:24
But that is a prime example! Why would any chica take a job as a waitress at Rocky's, which is a monger crowd hangout, except for a chance to meet mongers or tourists and get a shot at some real money? It has nothing to do with character.
The chicas who sit around in the bars are working for a living too, often having to put up with a very noisy and smoky atmosphere for hours on end for the chance to meet a man who will pay them for sex. Personally it would drive me nuts to have to stay in one of those places more than the five minutes it takes to grab a chica and leave.Ain't the girl at Rocky's married? Someone should alert her husband that she only took the job so she could ho on the side. Or is it your conclusion that her husband is the one who put her up to it so he could have more money for drugs and alcohol and his other women?
If you only hang out in La Zona de las Putas it starts to show in your thinking. Get the fuck out of there and get a dose of reality. Not every woman in Sosua is a prostitute or has undercover intentions of being one because they are in the city. As I said before, the only people I know who equate Sosua with prostitution are the guys on this board who go there for that prime reason. Dominicans in other places only see it as a beach town. It was the same shit in Rio. Guys who stayed on one block of Copacabana saw all Brazilian women as hookers, because the 50 that hung out in the only place they knew were.
Wish I did, D. Those are professional picsHttps://www.facebook.com/lachicaDP?fref=ts
Ain't the girl at Rocky's married? Someone should alert her husband that she only took the job so she could ho on the side. Or is it your conclusion that her husband is the one who put her up to it so he could have more money for drugs and alcohol and his other women?I don't know who works at Rocky's. I was just quoting Orgasmico who said:
An example of a regular square gig would be the waitresses at Rocky's.So I assumed from what he said that there are multiple waitresses there.
In any case, I would stay out of other people's business when it comes to alerting husbands and wives as to what the other might or might not be doing. No good can come of it.
Ain't the girl at Rocky's married? Someone should alert her husband that she only took the job so she could ho on the side. Or is it your conclusion that her husband is the one who put her up to it so he could have more money for drugs and alcohol and his other women?...Got to disagree with you brother. Ask any Dominican (ages 18-46) about Sosua and they will turn up their noses. They equate Sosua with tricking, not the beach. Now on Sundays you will have families coming from as far as Santiago to enjoy the beach, but they won't step a foot near the town.
Mr Enternational
06-14-13, 17:54
Yeah That's Danella (She Speaks Good English by the way) , I remember when she was fresh back in early 2011. I remember I used to fuck her for a whole weekend, But she quickly become hardcore, My whole team hit that for Free. (No Bullshit) , That was the only chica in Sosua, that I got free pussy from. She also had alot of money,It ain't no fun if the homies can't have none. Reminds me of Freaknic 95. We met a chick and the next week went to pick her up in Greenville, South Carolina. She had the sack so we were driving down I-85 back to Atlanta as high as giraffe pussy. 3 people in the car and 4 blunts going around. Young and dumb in those days. She stayed with us for about a week and everybody just took turns with her. Then come to find out she was only 17 like Rick James said. And her mom actually let her leave with us? When we finished wih her she got some dude she knew to buy her a bus ticket back to South Carolina.
i agree with you and tempoecorto and would venture to argue that the quality of our encounter is mitigated, more so than in most human service transactions, by the attitude, emotion, and mood created by both parties for mutual satisfaction of need. my view is that, within reasonable limits, the infusion of more cash actually improves the quality of the interaction between puta and client and further, at a macro level, serves to bring in the marginal higher quality providers into the marketplace. imho tamping down prices has only resulted in the proliferation of lower quality, hardcore, scheming / scamming, drugged out, short-term seeking, putas that will try to extract every last cent from an interaction 'cause they don't have any interest in seeking your repeat business. my practice has been to reward the desirable behavior and hope that the positive traits that i seek like (a pretense of!) affection and having the girl seek out what turns you on so that she can garner your repeat business will proliferate.
also, having managed to escape the poverty trap in a third world country, i may have a bit more insight into lives where survival is a constant struggle, and have always tried to find ways, in my miniscule way, to help those that are willing to work to help themselves. i find it strange that i will shell out $ 250 to a strung out, zombie with a bad attitude on backpage for 40 mins of "have ya come yet?" and pay multiple $ 50 tabs for blue ball inducing lap dances that only leads to frustration, but will moan about the $ 12. 00 extra that a sosua puta asks for. my opinion is that the sosua puta is more likely to use the money for an essential ([CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132), milk, food, etc) more so than the backpage sp. i also fail to see the logic in taking a hungry sp to bed and wondering why the interaction sucked whereas a simple $ 5 meal shared with her would have done wonders to build rapport.
prior to my recent 3 week trip, i had found myself echoing the sentiments of charles pooter, mr. gogo and many of the thread's stalwarts that sosua was no longer worth visiting and had resolved that this would be my last trip there. i am happy to report that a couple of girls i met on this trip just blew that thinking out of the water. i ended up having a blast.
cheers,
shockman
but look, most of the chicas working as putas can't get other jobs, because they don't have the necessary educational level or even the dominican equivalent of high school graduation, so they can't handle money for a business, nor do they have the written, numeracy, and language skills necessary for a job in a place like the orange shop...
Nice to see you're still the "big man" I know and love, me brodder!
Just checking to see if you're still on ground zero and would be very interested in whether you're still sticking to your public statement that this would be your last Sosua trip. I had made the same vow before my recent 3-week trip but have since completely reversed course after meeting chicas who were absolute sweethearts and recaptured my youth for just a fleeting while.
You got to be slowing down if you want to go the "tame" Passions route. Quite a bit removed from the mayhem I witnessed from the legendary hard-charging partying you and Tomjackin indulged in at Latinas's, huh!
If you're interested, please PM me for info on my Passions sweethearts. I know that you will "treat" them in the manner that I did. Also buddy, let's make sure we coordinate our future trips so we can recreate the magic of old, peace and love.
I don't know "shit" about, you so who am I to questions your "monger events" so I'm pushing "control- alt- delete" and rebooting myself" I'm spitting out that "hater-aide" that deep down quenching hate" so I ain't hatin I'm congratulating" peace and bring your album when you get to Oregon. One Love.
I agree with you and Tempoecorto and would venture to argue that the quality of our encounter is mitigated, more so than in most human service transactions, by the attitude, emotion, and mood created by both parties for mutual satisfaction of need.Absolutely! That is the key point. While it is certainly true that Sosua is not the place to look for a young man to look for a nice young girl to take to the US, marry, raise kids, and live happily ever after in a house with a white picket fence, that doesn't mean that mongers and putas can't have encounters that are affectionate, fun, and mutually satisfying. I don't think there is anything wrong with paying 1000 pesos or so for an encounter if that meets the needs of both parties, and I have often done so, especially on repeat encounters with partners I have previously enjoyed sex with, but I don't think people should get too obsessed with price.
Better to regard the negotiation as part of the flirtation process in which both protagonists display attraction to each other and go back and forth to determine exactly how much attraction there is and how much that is worth to each, because at the end of the day you want a sexual experience that is memorable which is unlikely if both partners are not really into each other. From the girl's point of view, the quality of the sexual interaction is not the key issue, but if it is good, then it makes her job a lot easier.
Tempoecorto
06-14-13, 23:24
Also, having managed to escape the poverty trap in a third world country, I may have a bit more insight into lives where survival is a constant struggle.
ShockmanWell, I am from a third world country too and so yes, I agree. Nevertheless, fundamentally, this business of sleeping with a woman, even when it has money as the transactional base, can be an ENJOYABLE experience. Money is one currency but to make it really worthwhile, respect and empathy goes a long way, unless of course people get off by abusing the other but that is whole different ballgame.
Tempoecorto
06-14-13, 23:35
When I use the term "puta" I mean it to be the equivalent of prostitute. No reason to try and read more into it.Apologies! My statement was not expressly targeted at you. I happen to have lived with putain, puttana and puta (madre) for a long time knowing that these are almost common parlance. So, I was using the P word more in a figurative sense. Funny thing, on this site, I once tried to write "bit." and the system would not allow me. No wonder others used "beatch", that got me, not unlike Frannie, confused about batch a while ago. LOL.
Https://www.facebook.com/lachicaDP?fref=tsThanks, that's a good look!
The quality of service is not directly related to price. Generally chicas don't respect guys for being real easy with money. It's sorta a prey signal that switches on their predatory instincts. Being kind or generous with a chica who deserves it is not the same as being seen as foolish with money.This goes right over a lot of mongers' heads.
Alex Deuce
06-15-13, 01:33
This goes right over a lot of mongers' heads.Because it's simplistic and pretty much a poor generalization. Women respect the man and how he handles himself.
Even with a Sosua puta you can have a connection. Pick girls who you like and if they give you good service repeat. The quality of your sessions will improve. Each girl has a different story. I know that most girls have kids that they are taking care of. They are not happy in most cases sucking strange dicks. However when a job pays 200 a month and your expences are 400 a month what can you do.
This goes right over a lot of mongers' heads.
Marc Anthony
06-15-13, 13:59
Because it's simplistic and pretty much a poor generalization. Women respect the man and how he handles himself.I don't have any issue with people who prefer to pay a premium to save time and effort. I agree that it's simplistic but I think you'd agree that one aspect of "how a man handles himself" that has some relevance is whether he seems to know the value of his money or is readily taken advantage of.
There are often reports here where a member seems to have felt they were buying respect or building up credit toward future good service with every indulgence of a chica's whim (paying $200 US for her for a taxi from the north coast to SD when a $10 bus ticket would have been more upscale than normal).
I'm definitely not saying that being cheap is in itself a path to respect, just that appearing easy to manipulate or exploit for money is NOT part of how a man worthy of respect handles himself.
At the risk of sounding politically incorrect as well as simplistic I'd also say that part of the image is not letting the chica push them around or always get her way in general (not just with money). Dominican guys act a bit more macho and bossy with females in part because it works. Dominican / Haitian chicas tend to react well to being treated with a firm hand. Being called Papi is an almost universal term of endearment and it fits with this expectation. Yes Daddy takes care of them but he also spanks them if they get out of line.
Marc Anthony
06-15-13, 14:18
Even with a Sosua puta you can have a connection. Pick girls who you like and if they give you good service repeat. The quality of your sessions will improve. Each girl has a different story. I know that most girls have kids that they are taking care of. They are not happy in most cases sucking strange dicks. However when a job pays 200 a month and your expences are 400 a month what can you do.I strongly identify with this approach. In my experience sex only starts to get good after you have something of a relationship. Trying new chicas for me is just a cost of finding one worth repeating and getting to know. Most chicas I have found worth it have had real jobs that they put real effort into keeping. They had to get up early and be off to work, even though the total salary was normally less than $200 a month (5 days a week and a half day Saturday AND sucking the boss's dick just for the privilidge of keeping the job).
Most chicas I have found worth it have had real jobs that they put real effort into keeping. They had to get up early and be off to work, even though the total salary was normally less than $200 a month.I find it amazing that anyone would be surprised that people find value in this, especially in an environment with such adverse conditions.
Dominican guys act a bit more macho and bossy with females in part because it works. Dominican / Haitian chicas tend to react well to being treated with a firm hand.Somewhat in their defense, Dominican guys are used to being surrounded by sweet pussy and its part of the culture. I don't expect some sex tourists that are suddenly immersed into that kind of environment, especially after having just left the sex prison of the USA, to not be a little discombobulated with their faculties and vulnerable. At the end of the day, they can calibrate it to what they would have spent in the USA or the value in dollars to rationalize the behavior.
Yup, as in all of life the trick seems to be to find the harmonious sweet spot on a continuum that ranges from getting exploited by the puta and taking unreasonable advantage of their dire economic conditions. I'm surprised at how easily I fall prey to the script that I play in my mind of being the knight in shining armor that sweeps the damsel in distress off her feet when all she sees is an ATM. We, the mongers, however, do hold all the cards, since we are the ones with the gold that can make the rules, and with that power comes the responsibility to wield it in the most effective, constructive way possible in the interest of sustaining Sosua in the long-term. Peace.
I don't have any issue with people who prefer to pay a premium to save time and effort. I agree that it's simplistic but I think you'd agree that one aspect of "how a man handles himself" that has some relevance is whether he seems to know the value of his money or is readily taken advantage of...
Tempoecorto
06-15-13, 16:08
after having just left the sex prison of the USA, to not be a little discombobulated with their faculties and vulnerable.Discombobulated. I had to look that one up. Thank you.
While on the subject, I have this nagging question. Which state or city in the US, we would rather live that is most conducive to this hobby. If there is one such place. Just in case anyone is wondering, I am from New England and there goes my answer but I would like people ideally from all 48 states, to chip in and share their thoughts.
Riky Rapido
06-15-13, 18:56
Even with a Sosua puta you can have a connection. Pick girls who you like and if they give you good service repeat. The quality of your sessions will improve. Each girl has a different story. I know that most girls have kids that they are taking care of. They are not happy in most cases sucking strange dicks. However when a job pays 200 a month and your expences are 400 a month what can you do.Right to the point. I keep repeating myself, there are no putas in the DR, only women who need money. Imagine a if the role was reversed, if you, were a woman, how could you exist on 200 hundred a month. That's 8000 pesos. Divide that by 30 days and it works out to less than 300 pesos a day. One has to see the micro economy here at the local colmado: a piece of chicken, half pound of rice, a carrot, flavoring, and a few other things we would buy in quantity. What these women buy is a meal, one meal at a time, one day at a time, talk about desparation! So when you start dickering over the price for a round in bed, think about what I wrote guys, don't be so friggin' cheap! I know a gal who is getting because there is no work at the bar she works, so few tourists in Sosua, no unemployment benefits here in the DR. Livin' ain't easy for most folk.
If you only hang out in La Zona de las Putas it starts to show in your thinking. Get the fuck out of there and get a dose of reality. Not every woman in Sosua is a prostitute or has undercover intentions of being one because they are in the city.Having dealt with broke chicas all over the island that never asked for money and some that even got offended when it was offered for things like a cab ride home, I saw the difference with my own eyes. Kinda funny, in the SDQ thread they use about 7 different categories from hardcore puta to semi to novice to nonputa, etc.
Manizales911
06-15-13, 20:03
Discombobulated. I had to look that one up. Thank you.
While on the subject, I have this nagging question. Which state or city in the US, we would rather live that is most conducive to this hobby. If there is one such place. Just in case anyone is wondering, I am from New England and there goes my answer but I would like people ideally from all 48 states, to chip in and share their thoughts.I would go with Miami, lots of cheap pussy from all over the world.
Haha, I've actually seen this one in Sosua. Never dealt with her as she seemed like a crackhead.
PROSTITUTA DE SOSUA ATRACAN EXTRANJERO ESTADOUNIDENSE.
http://youtu.be/HA1DIvTB9fo
Discombobulated. I had to look that one up. Thank you.
While on the subject, I have this nagging question. Which state or city in the US, we would rather live that is most conducive to this hobby. If there is one such place. Just in case anyone is wondering, I am from New England and there goes my answer but I would like people ideally from all 48 states, to chip in and share their thoughts.Since it is not legal in the US, except brothels in some counties of Nevada, then it has to be a place within easy reach of another country, so I suppose places close to Tijuana or the Canadian border would be in the running, though Fort Lauderdale with Spirit Airlines is a cheap and easy hop to the DR.
Washington DC might be OK if you could get a job in the Presidential Guard vetting escorts for politicians.
On the other hand, with the Internet available everywhere, perhaps it doesn't matter, though with the recent NSA revelations, don't think that your Facebook information is any secret. Expect the immigration agents at your port of entry to be asking "Who is Marisol and how much did she charge?".
The Mind Bender
06-15-13, 21:43
For those that have dealt with Belkiss (of massage parlor fame) what does she look like?
I met a dark skinned, Haitian looking woman with an insane amount of ass the other day and she told me that was her name. I think she works at a salon across from the strip. Spoke excellent English too (for a chica)
SavePros321
06-15-13, 22:12
Gulliver's Travels ain't got shit on some of the stuff that gets said on ISG, LMBAO!
Marc Anthony
06-15-13, 23:35
Have you guys ever watch the movie Casino? With Robert De Niro,
Robert De Niro had a wife that was a known working girl, and he tried to turn a working girl into a house wife, He gave her everything she could of ever wanted but she gave all her riches to a loser boyfriend because she was in love.I think the dominican guy's take on that was he was an idiot for pushing her to marry him instead of having an ongoing "relationship" and fucking her whenever he chose for free (as an obvious perk of being the casino boss).
On that basis the story suggests they got along well. Ginger even tries to honestly tell him it's a bad idea and refuse until he bribes her bigtime. I think that story suggests you can't make a relationship into something it's not by throwing money at it. Not that there are no such things as real relationships with girls who hustle.
Tempoecorto
06-16-13, 06:13
Since it is not legal in the US, except brothels in some counties of NevadaI was not thinking of "illegal" stuff. More like what one can do on the island of Hispaniola (outside of Sosua that is). Places in US that still may have a remnant from the old days? Or perhaps Black, Latino, French or Island influences make it "somewhat" easier to score. I thought TX is easy-going but my experience was only in clubs.
Like Manizales says,"Miami" but does it mean regulars or the "craigslist" kind which is outside the scope here. I am thinking of regular people.
In route to Sosua we decided to take Charlie with us. He has been there hundreds of times. He claims most of the time he takes men too Sosua from Boca Chica he never sees them again. I reminded my friends that we are on vacation and Charlie is not. Charlie says the ride will be about two and a half hours. Unknowing to us; he was speaking Dominican time. The ride was closer to 4. It was a beautiful scene drive Juan Pablo 2. Mountain to I left the ocean to our right, No need for the AC. The ocean breeze helped the hyandai. The infiniti would have been better. I think we encountered 4 toll bridges 430p or less. No major turns except for the left in Nagua. We got to the motel Charlie cousin hooked us up with. No doubt he's getting a cut. The sea breeze hotel $40 a room. We arrived at the hotel and realize we were no longer in Kansas. Charlie being Dominican and from Boca Chica had family and friends all over. The talent there was breathtaking. So much puta I couldn't decide. To have so many women of your physical dreams at arm's reach is a sight to behold. Fresh couldn't make it past the first 3 minutes. His first time in DR and Sosua. His mindset was actually the right one. I know your budget set it and enjoy at your budget pace. Stick and move stick and move jab jab. Sports fucking at its finest and we are at its Mecca in the Caribbean. T was tired from his slaughter earlier. I was laughing hard because I couldn't pick. It was just too much for us to bare. Your every move being watched by 100s of chicas at one time. Grown and sexy, young and tempting phat pussys, big tits, slender, thick, light skin, darkshin, shit! Avery Johnson calls timeout! 3 hours shutdown. Regroup in suits for evening wear.
Count fresh out. He's going to spend the rest of the day with his friend. No problem. T, Ro and I hit the scene with Charlie and his cousin. His cousin seem to want to hang around us. He's a pimp / bodyguard at one of the brothels. He wants to drive us up and be a part of our Entourage. We paid for Charlie hotel room. I gave Charlie 2000p and told them if they wanted to come they can come but we don't need help in Sosua. I think he was trying to increase his street and business cred. You should have seen the chicas when we hit the scene. We looked like we were going to the Magic Don Juan funeral. Sosua chicas are so aggressive. I was too damn cool to show anyone any attention. A chica came up to me and actually punch me in my arm like "I know you see me looking at you". I took off my Armani shades grabbed her hand kissed it respectfully. Put my shades back on my head and pretended like she did exist. This is fantasy land after all. We didn't last long dressed in suits. One by one my Roaddogs left me. Its 4 o'clock in the morning and I'm the last man standing. I just couldn't decide and as we enter into the last Club of the night. I call that place the Dragons Den aka last call for alcohol. But there is no last call in Sosua. Girls bumping into me often now. They notice I am the only one left out of our group. 1 young lady Spanish with blonde hair about five seven 135 pounds 9 on the body 7 in the face. If you like small gaps. She is from STI and walks up to me takes my glasses off my head; look me in the eye and said I am going to be with you tonight. Oh really and how much are you going to be with me for. She said whatever you like no problem. I said I like for the free. I didn't think it would work. She said free no problem. She made me smile my dick got hard and she help me make my decision. Free pussy wasn't the thing- it was she was going to extra mile to please me that turn me on. You should have seen the disappointments on the other girl faces. Some of them were throwing their hands up in the air like "he picked her"! Back in the room she headed straight for my tongue. Kissing and me do not mix. Sosua girls love to kiss. In route to Sosua we decided to take Charlie with us. He has been there hundreds of times. He claims most of the time he takes men too Sosua from Boca Chica he never sees them again. I reminded my friends that we are on vacation and Charlie is not. Charlie says the ride will be about two and a half hours. Unknowing to us; he was speaking Dominican time. The ride was closer to 4. It was a beautiful scene drive Juan Pablo 2. Mountain to my left the ocean to our right, no need for the AC. The ocean breeze helped the hyandai. The infiniti would have been better. I think we encountered 4 toll bridges 430p or less. No major turns except for the left in Nagua. We got to the motel Charlie cousin hooked us up with. No doubt he's getting a cut. The sea breeze hotel $40 a room. We arrived at the hotel and realize we were no longer in Kansas. Charlie being Dominican and from Boca Chica had family and friends all over. The talent there was breathtaking. So much punta I couldn't decide. To have so many women of your physical dreams at arm's reach is a sight to behold. Fresh couldn't make it past the first 3 minutes. His first time in DR and Sosua. His mindset was actually the right one. Know your budget, set it, and enjoy at your budget's pace. Stick and move stick and move jab jab. Sports fucking at its finest and we are at its Mecca in the Caribbean. T was tired from his slaughter earlier. I was laughing hard because I couldn't pick. It was just too much for us to bare. Your every move being watched by 100s of chicas at one time. Grown and sexy, young and tempting phat pussys, big tits, slender, thick, light skin, darkshin, shit! Avery Johnson calls timeout! 3 hours shutdown. Regroup in suits for evening wear.
My Roaddog Fresh fouled out. He's going to spend the rest of the day with his friend. No problem. T, Ro and I hit the scene with Charlie and his cousin. His cousin seem to want to hang around us. He's a pimp / bodyguard at one of the brothels. He wants to drive us up and be a part of our Entourage. We paid for Charlie hotel room. I gave Charlie 2000p and told him if they wanted to come they can come but we don't need help in Sosua. I think he was trying to increase his street and business cred. Charlie likes to look important when talking with us and that cool with me. As long as he doesn't try to lead. He stay in his position. You should have seen the chicas when we hit the scene. We looked like we were going to the Magic Don Juan funeral. Sosua chicas are so aggressive. I was too damn cool to show any 1 any attention. A chica came up to me and actually punch me in my arm like "I know you see me looking at you". I took off my Armani shades grabbed her hand kissed it respectfully. Put my shades back on my head and pretended like she did exist. This is fantasy land after all. We didn't last long dressed in suits. One by one my Roaddogs left me. Its 4 o'clock in the morning and I'm the last man standing. I just couldn't decide and as I enter into the last Club of the night. I call that place the Dragons Den aka last call for alcohol. But there is no last call in Sosua. Girls bumping into me trying to get my attention. Grabbing my ass and dick. They notice I am the only one left out of our group. 1 young lady Spanish with bleach blonde curly hair, juicy brown lips big tits, about 5 6 135 pounds 8 on the body 6 in the face, (6 and half if you like small gaps) circled me. She is from STI and walks up to me takes my glasses off my head; look me in the eyes and said I am going to be with you tonight. Oh really and how much are you going to be with me for. She said whatever you like no problem. I said I like for the free. I didn't think it would work. She said free no problem. She made me smile and my dick got hard. Free pussy wasn't the thing- it was she was going that extra mile to please me that turn me on. You should have seen the disappointments on the other girl faces. Some of them were throwing their hands up in the air like "he picked her"! Back in the room she headed straight for my tongue. Kissing and I do not mix. Sosua girls love to kiss. I slowed her roll. She definitely got a body and she had a very good head on her shoulders. Or should I say she gives very good head from her shoulders and I am NOT a head man. She was gagging hard going all the way to my nuts. She wouldn't have done that with T I thought LOL. She mounted me and in about 20 stokes squirted so hard the whole bed was soaked and wet. She wouldn't stop squirting. She squirted so hard it shot across the floor on the mirror against wall. I am so glad I had got the last room in the hotel. They had to give me a double bed. There was no way we were sleeping in this bed after her faucet. She slept like a rock after that one. I let her sleep against the wall so if she moves I will know. I slept with one eye open. I put a my homies jewelry and wallets in my safe. I person must stay sober on the first night of the new area My rules my first watch. The next day I reward her with 1500p and a very expensive dress from the United States right of the 599 rack. She killed that dress. I think she was just securing her a place to lay her head. Of coarse she tried to repeat me for tonight. Which is my birthday! No repeats back to back. Not while I got pesos in my pocket! Fucking the same girl twice in Sosua is like only eating the corn at a low country boil. Not on my birthday! Can someone please help me with loading pictures!
Abr Mainline
06-17-13, 02:50
WOW, you took crack head Charlie out of Boca Chica he'll never been the same. If you think that bum has family all over the DR, you be fooling yourself.
Camaro1257
06-17-13, 03:46
I recently got back from a 5 day trip to Sosua and I have prepared the following notes:
Objective:
My objective was to participate in our hobby and get some intel that will help me to decide if I want to retire in the DR. Mission accomplished.
Weather:
My stay was for 5 days with 2 days of rain on and off. Temperatures ranged between a high of 90 degrees during the day and 70 degrees at night with a cool breeze.
Hotel:
Hotel Voramar is in Playa Chiquita. When I arrived there was no taxi for airport transfer so I had to pay my own taxi. The owner Henk reimbursed me and paid for my taxi when I left also. The web site has beautiful women all over it leaving the impression that there are women on site like New Garden, guess what. NOT! The only women here are the bartenders and housekeeping.
Hotel Voramar is no New Garden with the hermanos de Nueve York yelling loudly about the last nights conquest, everybody spoke German and no entiendo nada. Breakfast was buffet style fruit, sliced salami and bread every morning. They did have a restaurant but I did not eat there other than breakfast.
The room is spacious and clean but it did not have a refrigerator. I requested one and a mini fridge was placed in my room. The closet has a safe with a key lock. I had a very comfortable King Size bed. The air conditioner worked but it was a little lacking in cold air and I saw a little critter when I first moved in but I guess he found somewhere else to live.
As far as tranquility is concerned there is no comparison to the other hotels I have stayed at on the north coast. If you want to rest solo or wife up without all the "EXTRA" this is the spot. I walked to El Centro in about 25 minutes but it is a 5 minute moto ride.
My greatest impression was Henk's hospitality he did everything he could to make me feel at home.
Transportation:
Walking was easy during the day if you are in shape and don't mind the heat. I did not try walking at night so I cannot advise. There were motos stationed outside sometimes into the late evening. I used the motos stationed outside and I have a moto driver from another trip I would use late at night. At night I felt more comfortable with someone I had a previous relationship with. I always offered 50DP solo and 100DP cuando tuve una chica.
Restaurants:
There were a variety according to taste but I enjoyed Bailey's the most, great experience solo, con tus amigos o una chica. The crepes were good as recommended, especially crepes whit helado very soothing on a hot day. A decent meal will run you 500DP. Rumba's has a small menu and so does D'Latin's. I enjoyed late night snacks at D Latin's while I watch the parade of chicas going to el bano.
Rumbas:
Outdoor bar venue where the chicas gather, traffic picks up at varying times during the afternoon. I noticed anxiety on the part of many chicas some would sit for an hour or so and if they didn't get any action they would move on. Rumbas has a laid back vibe in the afternoon and a club feel at night. Most nights traffic moves to D Latin'safter 11pm.
D Latin:
The major freelance pick up location for Sosua. Although it is an outdoor bar venue it gets very hot especially the closer you get inside. I recommend positioning yourself in the front for the breeze. I got a good breeze in the restaurant which is next to the bathroom. I was able to eat, watch and relax all at the same time. Traffic picks up after 11pm and the venue closes at 3am.
*It should be noted there are some chicas who prefer one venue over another. I have had them tell me they didn't like one or the other for a myriad of different reasons. Sosua is so small I think it's great that you don't have to worry about always seeing the same people in the same venues.
After One:
The late night disco next to the Coral Reef Casino. Ok after hours spot but it was a small venue where everything seemed to be red due to the lighting. The ladies who didn't get dates earlier will sometimes go to this venue for their final opportunity for being picked that night. I liked the venue because there are couches you can sit and chat with a chica available as well as a dance floor available for those who want to slide around on the dance floor.
La Playa:
Famous for its beautiful sunrises and sunsets, I didnot partake this trip but it is a spot to chill, have lunch and meet chicas.
Road map to success:
The beach during the day, Rumba's in the afternoon and early evening, D Latin's at night and After 1 after 3am. If you follow that path you should have some success, if not you need to take aserious look in the mirror!
Casas:
I visited Caribbean Men's Paradise CMP and Passions and received a chilly welcome at both locations. It should be noted I went in the late afternoon. It was reported to me the time to go was in the mid to late evening when most of the chicas were working.
Tarifas:
After my pre-trip research I decided I would stay between 1000-2000DP for ST. I prefer not to negotiate because it ruins the vibe for me as I do not like an overly business like interaction if it can be avoided. The majority of my chicas I gave 1500DP. I only paid 2k once to a chica I would give a high 8 low 9 who said she was a "cien chica"when I talked to her the following day.
I had two TLN's with chicas I was familiar with. I did not discuss tarifas with them because we both felt very comfortable with one another. I gave 2500DP to one and 2700DP to the other. Neither counted the money we departed with no questions asked.
I got no static in reference to tarifas it could be because this trip was low season or it could be just my turn to chill.
*It should be noted that if you do not know a chica ALWAYS negotiate the tarifa upfront to avoid any possible confusion.
In the future those good performers who I do not have to discuss price with me will become my regulars, sometimes familiarity does not bring contempt.
Dulce Secreto:
Cabana style aparthotel. You go inside the complex and there are a series of garage doors that lead to the individual rooms. You walk upstairs to a very comfortable room with a queen size bed towels, candy, soap and condoms. There is a 20 inch flat screen TV for your viewing pleasure. You pay the bill at a turn-style in the front door so in the entire transaction you don't have to see anyone. 590DP gets you 4 hours of room time which was decent considering how nice the rooms were.
Cambio:
I checked my bank before I made the trip they were giving 37-1 and the airport was giving 36-1. The change man across the street from Rumbas gave me 40-1. The Hotel Voramar had a change man come every day and he gave 41-1.
CezMon Real formally Universal Bar and Grill:
Formally Universal Bar and Grill. On my last trip I spend some time at the Universal Bar and grill the ambiance was incredible and the food was decent. The establishment is under new ownership and it doesn't have the same ambiance the furniture is cheaper and it is missing the big screen TV's that were there previously. The view was good with chicas walking by and I especially enjoyed the cool Sosua breeze from Pedro. I had the Hawaiian pizza it was no Pizza Hut or Dominoes but it hit the spot. This is a place to hang out or to have a GFE experience but it is not a chica spot.
TheSpot:
I watched the Miami Heat play the San Antonio Spurs great game there, The Spot has a sports bar feel and is a place to hang out with the brothers or maybe a GFE experience in the VIP in the back with your favorite chica. My understanding is the chicas hit The Spot on the weekends. Nice ambiance and hermosa bartenders.
Alternate Lifestyle Crew:
One of the reasons I like Latin America is because generally the relationship gender roles are traditional. As a rule a woman is feminine and a man is masculine this is part of the culture. While the norm is still true I saw quite a few gay men and a couple of transsexuals at D Latins. I guess there is something in Sosua for everybody.
Upcoming Trips:
The latter part of July I will visit Vera Cruz, Mexico and in September I will visit Cali, Colombia.
Overall this was a great trip, I had a few duds pero asi es la vida!
Alex Deuce
06-17-13, 03:56
I was not thinking of "illegal" stuff. More like what one can do on the island of Hispaniola (outside of Sosua that is). Places in US that still may have a remnant from the old days? Or perhaps Black, Latino, French or Island influences make it "somewhat" easier to score. I thought TX is easy-going but my experience was only in clubs.
Like Manizales says,"Miami" but does it mean regulars or the "craigslist" kind which is outside the scope here. I am thinking of regular people.I live in Miami. Its a place to be young but if your not that are part of a community you better be ungodly rich.
A chica just told me that Classico is closed permanently. I'm blown away! WTF happened? Can anyone forward me the story?
Henry Madd
06-17-13, 06:25
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1434152]Ain't the girl at Rocky's married? Someone should alert her husband that she only took the job so she could ho on the side. Or is it your conclusion that her husband is the one who put her up to it so he could have more money for drugs and alcohol and his other women?
[QUOTE]All of the girls working at Rocky's are either Rick's in laws or close family friends that came highly recommended. Rick does his to support family and because he knows that these are people that he can trust.
the girl left my the room about 10 now i can get some sleep. 3 hours good enough. everyone is comparing notes. ro complains that his chica took a dump and he couldn't get the smell out of his mind. fresh who chased his chica for 2 block; was happy. i wonder how much he paid her. fresh doesn't care he wants what he wants. he said compared to the amount of money he spends in the states spoiling girl; every chica is cheap. t complained as usual she couldn't take it all.
we hit the gym for little workout. charlie cousin comes up with another friend. i'm counting his friends. charlie looks at me and i look back as if i'm getting annoyed with new people. statement made! this guy is also a bouncer / pimp. i seen him check a couple of chicas on this strip. i like his style. he showed his respect by rolling up a couple of joint. home-grown weed but we work with it. we all straight now! someone is having a pool party up from the motel. we walk to the party 7 deep flirting with chicas, joking and feeling good. charlie cousin motioned to the man at the door. he let us in no problems. it was maybe about 40 chicas and 8 guys. the chicas we're so happy to see new group of americans come in. they started clapping when our entourage came in. the host of the party (i think) came with the microphone and over the loudspeaker pointing us out "all 7 of why'all are going to have to pay".500 pesos together. of course the money was no problem but since he use the microphone to put our group on blast we left. i drop 500 pesos on the floor. i don't think he meant any disrespect. he even said the girls can't understand him because their spanish. boca chica maybe but not in sosua. most of these chica have general understanding of the english.
we hit the strip one by one everyone pick their afternoon delight. i couldn't pick again to many choices. walking back to the hotel i just grabbed a sexy young thing spontaneously. about 20 in her prime, deep chocolate, cheerleader looking and no body sign of kids. in sosua you just grab all the young pussy (18 and up) you can. in america i would have felt embarrassed trying to talking to such a young lady. ro and t wanted to play switch chicas. i'm not fucking after t. we don't call him mr. 2000 pumps for nothing. i got the young chica in my room and gave her a dress of the rip. i watched her strip to try it on. she was so young and sexy i could taste the pussy. i told her the dress was free. we took pictures. she was on the phone for 15 minutes then said she had to go. i asked her did she want to make money for sex. she said no thank you and walk out the door. my fumble. note to self. don't give away shit. cut out the bullshit before entering the room door. by the time we reached the door we should be taking off our clothes. my dick was on blaze now and i felt cheated. i just walked 50 yards from the hotel in 2 45 seconds found me a sexy another with the body of a professional dancer. this one had that something special in her eyes. haitian about a hundred and twenty pounds with an ass that looked like she had a butt pad. she quoted be 3000 for 2 hours. 6000 pesos all night. i told her i never paid over a thousand pesos for 2 hours. she says she has never received anything under 2500. we shared a laugh. i actually believed her. i had seen several guys stop her on the strip only to walk of disappointed. i told her i'll make a deal 1500 pesos. 1 hour. i just need 15-20 minutes. i showed her my id and told her it was my birthday. deal made. she knocked me off within 30 minutes of action nonstop. boy they love to kiss. she did a bird bath. back to the strip she went.
a little eating and we washed up for evening wear. fresh has just pronounce he has just had the best fuck up his life. damn i almost picked her. charlie cousin and his friend came to the room dressed in full pimp gear dominican style. most of the guys were sleep. its 11:30 o'clock at night. i made an og call. it's my birthday get out the bed let's go celebrate. everyone manned up and we hit the scene. we were dressed in evening lining wear. charlie cousin whisper to the guy at the door. he made 8 chicas get out there seats for us. i refuse to take the chicas seats. they told me it was okay so i bought all of them drinks. all of a sudden i see this big ass black guy enter the club with about four guys behind him. he had on a black shirt with the words "el caballo negro in white". deepmmpactt i assume this was you. i walked over gave him some dapp. i flirted with about 30 chicas. got about 15 numbers. i got rid of all the girls numbers who were from santo domingo. i too notice the difference in their attitudes. they are very aggressive. i met one about 31 years of age from santo domingo. i will give her a 7 on looks 7 on body. she told me she was buying my drinks for the rest of the night. i let her buy me a couple rounds of hennessy. i'm normally not a drinker but it's my birthday. she was like a pitbull with any girl that got close to me. i looked deep in her eyes and i saw that i would have to beat this girl ass if i deal with her attitude. this is not my style. when i told her i was leaving she refused to give me a number and went to pouting. i immediately used her anger against her and walked off.
i wanted the crew to go to the dragons den. they didn't make it last night and needed to see the abundant quality of chicas there. charlie cousin and his friend were getting all types of cool points from some of the local girls that knew them. we all dress pretty sharp. one girl came complaining that charlie said if they fucked they or us going to have to fuck him too. fresh whispered in my ear that charlie hit him up for 2000 pesos. don't say nothing i will handle charlie. i told my road dogs don't give anyone any money girls included let them all come to me. in the dragons den charlie cousin clear the line for us. clears two tables for us. it seems this pimp has a little clout. a group of about 7 chica made their way to our group. one comes up and pushes me on the shoulder. why you leave with that girl last night. that girl was ugly. motioning like she's putting her finger down her throat. her friend giving me the "you know better" look. i told her the girl was for the free. she said you don't want free pussy. why would you want free pussy from a girl like that. man that made me free embarrassed. i told her i wanted her but she looks too caro. she said i won't be caro. i won't charge you much but i am not free. i caller her my spanish dream. beautiful, bright, spanish light brown complexion, long silky black hair with the body of jennifer lopez. ro was begging me to please pick her. she was going back to sd tomorrow. she asked if she could spend the night with me. i told her i would do one better. i will spend a whole day with her and santo domingo and i was not kidding. i honestly told her i was speed fucking at the moment. i wanted to get her away from sosua to deal with her. that always buys me time. my choice for the night. a thick chocolate haitian with ass like she was raised in the south. made a deal for 2000 pesos for the rest of the night. the girl from last night had been stalking me. she actually had the dress that i gave her on. she really looked classy in that dress. i dodged her a few times. she kept blowing up my dominican phone number. i get my chocolate treat back to the hotel and guess who is waiting at the bar. chocolate and girl last night are good friends. come to find out the girl from last night is seeing a guy at my motel up stairs form me. what are the odds. she tried to hard to hide because she didn't want me to see her with someone else. like i give a fuck. chocolate did her thing. she can really work that ass. she told me one day she woke up and didn't have a place to live or food for her and her son. now she has her own place and send us her son to private school. she said sosua in doing well for her. it seems a lot of these chicas work in sosua but live in puerto plata. i made a mental note of that. she was supposed to stay all night but she made an excuse. i told her it's no problem. i gave her the 2000p and she started bothering for extra. i told her she should be happy because she did not fulfill our agreement. she kept going on. i told her that if i see her on the strip i'm going to i play her to the left because she is pushing me on my birthday after not finishing our agreement. she quickly stop asking for money. kiss me on the cheek and said see you later. ro caught another bad break. he had been dealing with a chica all day. fresh was on her first but ro got on her. later on that night she told him 5000 pesos. he spent over 2000 pesos buying her and her 3 friends drinks. i told him it was his fault. he spent too much time with her and this is sosua. she is tried to capitalize on his weakness for her. he didn't bite down. she wouldn't even take the 100 pesos he offered for her a cab. there is no need to spoil a chica in sosua. stick and move stick and move jab jab.
Charles Pooter
06-17-13, 15:00
Nice report, Camaro. Maximum of useful information with the minimum of macho posturing. Sounds like you have a realistic grip on things, though I am surprised you thought a critter in your room was even worth a comment.
Good info about Dulce Secreto but I wonder why you ever needed to use their services if you were staying at Voramar? Were you screwing one of Voramar's staff? If so, no need to answer!
Member #4351
06-17-13, 16:24
Nice report, Camaro. Maximum of useful information with the minimum of macho posturing. ...and easily read. Thanks.
=Mr Enternational; 1434160]It ain't no fun if the homies can't have none. Reminds me of Freaknic 95. We met a chick and the next week went to pick her up in Greenville, South Carolina. She had the sack so we were driving down I-85 back to Atlanta as high as giraffe pussy. 3 people in the car and 4 blunts going around.95 Freaknic riding Round smoking blunts. I must have seen you in traffic.
Tempoecorto
06-17-13, 18:34
I live in Miami. Its a place to be young but if your not that are part of a community you better be ungodly rich.Ah. Thanks! So you are saying that the prevalent Latin culture in Miami, does NOT translate to what we see in the D. R. Not even in the ghettos where the beauty is say, not that of Jen Lopez? I mean money is in play everywhere. In Beijing, Moscow or in New York when one is not young and looking to play. I am more curious about people's attitude after taking money off the table and if there is an equivalent to that in the US that we find in Latin America.
Charles Pooter
06-17-13, 18:40
.and easily read. Thanks.Indeed. I meant to include that in my comments and forgot. A change to read a report in English all of which even we Limeys can understand!
Mr Enternational
06-17-13, 18:41
WOW, you took crack head Charlie out of Boca Chica he'll never been the same. If you think that bum has family all over the DR, you be fooling yourself.I can see those guys now; on a road trip with a crack head tout. And then wearing suits around Sosua. They need cameras following them. The chick really said free is okay? And she was happy wih 1500 TLN- while guys are breaking their neck to pay 2500 and 3000. You really are a grown ass man. I like your style.
I can see those guys now; on a road trip with a crack head tout. And then wearing suits around Sosua. They need cameras following them. The chick really said free is okay? And she was happy wih 1500 TLN- while guys are breaking their neck to pay 2500 and 3000. You really are a grown ass man. I like your style.No not crackhead Charlie LOL. I know him well. I gave him a pair of Tims he sold. He walks around with a fork in his shorts for a weapon. This Charlie is 5/7 light brown about 40yrs old. He hangs with a blonde hair Chica who is his right hand. I hope you got a good laugh out of that crackhead Charlie image. My road dogs who now know both Charlies are laughing too.
=Camaro1257; 1435152]I recently got back from a 5 day trip to Sosua and I have prepared the following notes:
Rumbas:
D Latin:
After One:
La Playa:Thank you for you attention to detail. I now have the actual names of the places I hung out at. Did you meet your objective?
Tempoecorto
06-17-13, 23:44
Indeed. I meant to include that in my comments and forgot. A change to read a report in English all of which even we Limeys can understand!LOL! I think credit should be due to those unsung English language teachers in the elementary (primary) schools. And some paid heed and some. Well!
You guys are having fun. I like that you guys are wide open. Very often this site is full of gloom and doom. Guys seem to be afraid to have fun. I do not have gang to hang out with. I would love to go with my boys but that is not happening. I took two guys with me on my last trip and was not thrilled with them. When I get a winner I repeat. No doubt Sosua is off the chain. The hardest thing for me was walking away from women I would kill for here. You guys most be from the south I smell Bamas. LOL More pictures.
I can see those guys now; on a road trip with a crack head tout. And then wearing suits around Sosua. They need cameras following them. The chick really said free is okay? And she was happy wih 1500 TLN- while guys are breaking their neck to pay 2500 and 3000. You really are a grown ass man. I like your style.
Camaro1257
06-18-13, 02:50
Nice report, Camaro. Maximum of useful information with the minimum of macho posturing. Sounds like you have a realistic grip on things, though I am surprised you thought a critter in your room was even worth a comment.
Good info about Dulce Secreto but I wonder why you ever needed to use their services if you were staying at Voramar? Were you screwing one of Voramar's staff? If so, no need to answer!Charles I had read reports about Dulce Secreto and I wanted to experience it for myself. My plan was to take first time chicas there if I didn't feel like I could trust them but I never got a bad vibe from any of the half dozen chicas I delt with.
ThunderDownUnder
06-18-13, 03:13
We looked like we were going to the Magic Don Juan funeral. Sosua chicas are so aggressive. I was too damn cool to show anyone any attention. A chica came up to me and actually punch me in my arm like "I know you see me looking at you". I took off my Armani shades grabbed her hand kissed it respectfully. Put my shades back on my head and pretended like she did exist. This is fantasy land after all. We didn't last long dressed in suits. One by one my Roaddogs left me. Its 4 o'clock in the morning and I'm the last man standing. I just couldn't decide and as we enter into the last Club of the night. I call that place the Dragons Den aka last call for alcohol. But there is no last call in Sosua. Girls bumping into me often now. They notice I am the only one left out of our groupSuits in Sosua? You're kidding, right? Santo Domingo maybe.
I just got back from Sosua a couple months ago and there's no way I could / would wear a suit there! I like dressing nice but way too hot to be wearing a suit in Sosua!
Camaro1257
06-18-13, 05:23
Thank you for you attention to detail. I now have the actual names of the places I hung out at. Did you meet your objective?Yes, I did meet my objective, I am closer to determining whether I want to retire in the DR. Otherwise I spent time with a woman who is a confirmed "cien chica" for 2000DP which closed a door for me because I admired her at a distance my last few trips to Sosua finally hit it, it wasn't all that now I am on to the next.
DeepMmpactt
06-18-13, 06:18
Welcome my ISG "Knuckleheads" to "Deep television" broadcasting from Sosua, Dominican Republic. So sit back pop open a cold one or "smoke" a hot one, because we are going on a mental journey. In 3 in 2 in 1. On the air. Day one left for the airport in Portland, Or on Thursday June 6th, at 9:15pm (pacific standard time) boarded a JetBlue flight with my fellow ISG brothers Terrible Tee, and The Puta Romeo. It was a warm dry evening in the usually wet, soggy and cold Northwest. So we are off to New York City, very smooth flight uneventful (no drama is good drama) We touchdown after our red eye flight, My first time ever in New York city, arrived at JFK, only to be met by foggy wet and cold weather. If I wanted "wet weather" we could of stayed in Oregon. The 6 hour flight got us arriving there at 6:15am (eastern standard time) I was utterly disappointed, being its my first time at JFK airport, and due to the foggy cold wet weather. I saw "nothing" Damn what a let down. But We wasn't going to let no wet weather "rain on our parade" (pun intended) We ate breakfast met about 8 of our "weekend warriors" from Ny, whom we met in the Dr on prior trips. We leave JFK at 10:30am (Est) arriving in Pop 1:15pm (Est). Our normally dependable driver was nowhere to be seen, but no worries, we hop another taxi and off to New Gardens in Sosua. After a 20 minute ride, bamm! We started from the bottom now were here"We check in to Ng, and everyone started making my signature "horse seounds" it was pretty funny. I checked in, got our ISG rate and cash discount, bamm its all good. I see a few new faces, but overall It's the same putaz that's been hanging out there for years. I have this "tradition" if you will, before I unleash the Chocolate JackhammerI always smash Yohaira, this skinny, light skinned, with a nice ass her name is yohaira, I do her "first" before any other chica, her blow job always (blows me away" and she doesn't "suck at giving blow jobs") wink wink Sixty Two Echos" (pun intended) I freshen up, get something to eat, then give yohaira the mean mugging signal" she gets up and we head to my room 17, She pushes me on the bed, pulls down my Jordan basketball shorts and started to awaken "the chocolate jackhammer", I was overheating, but then she stopped in the middle of a power slurp, raises up, the heads for the shower herself Damn! She always does this (I've suggested she takes a shower first) but her stubborn ass never Iistens. I'll just punish her ass, for getting the chocolate jackhammer" all aroused. Yohaira returns all fresh and smelling clean, and she picks up where she left off, power slurping then long licking my dick, luckily my vitamin see power pill re-energized the chocolate jackhammer" and I was back at full extention. She raised up, as I put on a saddle (Magnum XL) lubbed up, then she slid onto It, moaning loudly and she slowly gets it all in, then she started riding the shit out me, like the black beast that I am. LOL! Black beast of burden" has now been born. LOL, I slipp her off and gently put her on also fours, She always nods her head no "ya no puedo" (can't do it) but I insert it, gently she pounds her fist in the pillow, her chest and torso burried in the pillow, oh si papi mas dudo" more harder" one minute she says no, then she's screaming harder and harder WTF LOL! I hold her waist up, and began " waxing that ass"she moans and screams (probably faking it) LOL! Since it was my first encounter it didn't take long to "leche" a river on her fine ass. We finish up, I thought this would be a great opportunity to test out my man Sixty Two Echo, jedi mind trick" First of all her and I never discuss price, (first mistake) I try to hand her 1, 000 pesos, she stood there and looked at me like I was "smoking crack" hahaha estoy jugando" (I'm only playing) which I wasnt, I gave her 800 pesos more, and only then she smiled and began her always playful attitude. So I salute you 62 echo, cause that shit didn't work for me, I realize you began the negotiations, prior to anything jumping off.
I shower, freshen up, and re join my homies at the Ng, restaurant, ate some seafood soup"returned to my room for a much needed nap. We all met later that night, for our pilgrimmage to Dlatins. This was my "perfect 10" or tenth trip made. And now a word from our "sponsor" please keep your channels looked in and loaded to "Deep Television" the drama is about to begin, so stay tuned.
The Haitian girl in pink caused me not to see the super bowl, and we were rite in front of the tv while it was on. I was in Rumba waiting on Halle Berry. The Haitian threw her sells pitch but I already made plans with Halle. But the Haitian would leave me alone. Halle comes walking in, sees me talking to the haitian and walked out. I say wad up but she kept it movin. WTF and fuck you too Halle! Haitian only wants 1500. I tell her my villa in carberte. No prob. We get in the villa, I start to roll a blunt then look next to me and bam! She playing with that fat pussy. I immedatally fire up the weed put it in her mouth and dived head first in that pussy. ***** squirted all in my face! LOL. We went three long rounds all over the villa. I decide to catch a piece of the game but all I saw was the confetti being throwed. Take her back to Sousa, drop her off at her hotel then I proceed to go back to Rumba. In Rumba 15min and her she comes again. WTF! Now she wants to go back to caberet and chill toda la noche. Wasn't finna happen. But I'm going back to Sousa in two weeks and that Chica is a must. I got pics but this weak ass iPad is not allowing me to upload them.
Can anyone help me with that?
DeepMmpactt
06-18-13, 19:36
"All that glitters ain't gold and all that shines ain't diamonds" so we are back ISG "knuckleheads" We make it Dlatin in 5 minutes, but we have a staging area, right across the street. My friends order something to drink directly across the street from Dlatins. We were kind of nervous, hearing so much about this reported so called "New law" and to make matters worse, as we stood fanned out across the street. It was about 8 or 9 of us, and we ain't small either. One of our friend was buzzing pretty good, drunk is more the word. He was standing alone to our far right, He was obviously drunk, when all of a sudden a mixture of about 10 law enforcement pretty much fanned out, and pretty much surrounded us. We got a little nervous, but we haven't done anything. We talking Politur, Policia and some Federal policemen. We then notice they wasn't looking at us, but were staring at our "drunk friend" isolated to our extreme right. We immediately got nervous went over to our "isolated friend, and brought him back in the middle of all of us. We feared he was that close from getting shook down. He was drunk but wasn't being loud or obnoxious that my job. LOL! As we took our friend and brought him back, among us they (policia) kind of watched us bring him back in the middle of the fold, so he wasn't so isolated from us. Then after a few minutes, one of the federal officers in a surprised move, approached us, and one by one he shook each of our hands in our group, he went down the line In all my trips I've never heard of this public relations move. I am very paranoid, thinking that handshake was some kind of signal to the other officers, that all there brothers are going to jail. Lmao I don't look good in a Dominican jail cause the stripped jail suit doesn't bring out my beautiful eyes. LOL!
Business as usual, after the officers went down the line, they moved on. Wow we were sweating it. BTW that law had absolute no evidence, of rearing its "ugly head" It was business as usual. Not even a moto concho driver was hassled, We did see one Haitian chica put on the back of a motorcycle, but other than that "status quo" (no news is good news). We all line up at the edge of the curb, then one by one crossed the street headed to the "hot hell box" aka Dlatins. Shoutout to my man "Grownman1" I remember you giving me dapps,"one love my brother", and we did see a group of brothers with suit and ties on" (yeah they were under dressed) for the usually formal occassion of Sosua Dlatin) (kidding) LOL!
We made our way slowly through the crowd, my having my brand-new laser light (shout out to Big T) for getting it, My weird ass was beaming the light on random chicas, they seemed to enjoy the spot light in the darkened Dlatin, then I would beam the light on their high heels, cause I had to check for pretty toes and high stilletoes (heels) I'm a frickin weirdo I know, Damn foot fetish! Lmao! The du gives me love cause I'm wearing my black t shirt with "El Caballo Negro" written on the front and back with a black hat that also read El Caballo Negro in white letters. I meet up with my "GFE" Josefina my favorita chica that has never asked me for a single peso up to this day, but I do pay her when I see her. We are there for about 45 minutes, When just so happen, my girl goes to the restroom with her girlfriend, that was with her (yes her gf was fine as hell and I wanted to do her badly as hell) My boy Terrible Tee, points out the infamous "Ana" walks in, this is the same chica I've obsessed with doing from our last trip (and yes her toes were perfect) LOL! And her sexy ass body was coming out of that shiny black, one piece "cat suit"Me being a sucka, I grabbed Ana and said "vamonos mi Amor" she took my hand and lead me a different way, she had a SUV truck, leather seats, moonroof, cd / mp3 player, bumping that reggaeton, ivem Dlatins to Ngs. Okay. ISG brothers get ready to "blast my stupid ass" I agreed to 2, 800 St (Two thousand eight Hundred for short time! Damn I must ve been smoking "crack" I need my "platnium monger card" revoked, Bravo my brother it gets worse! We get to Ng, get into the room, Ana does this sexy strip tease, gets me going, hops In the shower comes back with one of the most
"smoking body I've ever seen" she straddles me reverse cow girl, hovers over me, while motoring that fine ass, just inches above the chocolate jackhammer" Damn I'm turned on! I grabbed that sweet ass, and squeezed she blew gently on my dick, then she layed besides. I'm ready for some power slurping and long licking with her fine ass mouth."whamm! She now tells me she went to the dentist and got her wisdom teeth out. WTF, convenient time to tell me now. Ana lays back, I said whatever I'm going to punish that small tight pussy. I put her hand to at least stroke, the chocolate jackhammer, nothing doing! This fantasy lay is turning into a " nightmare" real fast. J suck her perfect titties, put a saddle on lube up. Wow if I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't gave no luck at all" Her small vaginal got even smaller. I couldn't get it in no matter how hard I tried, she arched her back complaining the "whole time" mi duele mi duele (it hurts it hurts) so now I'm completely frustrated busted and disqusted.
I just give up, and lay there, thinking to myself this shit deserves my black ass right, for ditching my girl. So now my master Jedi powers are kicking in, so I said Ana (she speaks perfect english) since "we didn't do nothing ill give you a 1, 000 pesos and head back to Dlatins, there goes that you must be smoking crack glare one again. She said she charges 3, 000 pesos an hour! But its only been no more than 20 minutes, plus. So after "you" coundnt take the chocolate jackhammer" she counters it wasn't her fault I had a 'huge dick" and it didn't fit, so after 5 minutes of back and forth. I told her that I needed to go back to Dlatins to find another chica, cause I wasn't satisfied with her. She wouldn't budge off that 3, 000 peso bullshit! ISG knuckleheads prepare to let my punk ass have it! I paid the 3, 000 pesos and wrote it off as a loss"We get back to Dlatins 3 minutes later, and my girl (whom I ditched) sees me get out of Anas truck, if looks could kill, I was a dead man walking"
So, folks I got a round trip 3 minute ride from Dlatins to New Gardens and back for my 3, 000 pesos I'm the biggest dumbass known to man"and to add insult to injury Ana tells me "don't worry about it" It wasn't MY fault, and Buenos suerte! I almost backhanded that bit@h, really? So folks stay tuned into "Deep Television" " facing the wrath of my novia"
ConquerorVal
06-18-13, 23:41
I checked in, got our ISG rate and cash discount, bamm its all good.Enjoyed your first day diary entry! When you say ISG rate, do you mean a group rate or do all ISG members qualify for a special rate? I'll be staying at NG in August.
DeepMmpactt
06-19-13, 09:23
In 3 in 2 in 1. Cue the "theme song" " Dirty deeds done dirt cheap" artist " cheap trick" sorry brothers I went to the "light side" on this one. (LOL)."Deep television"9 is now live and burning up the airwaves" I slowly move back into Dlatins, I feel the "ice cold" glare of my novia. I'm too scared to make eye contact. She was mucho 'pissed at my stupid ass. I make my way passed the Dj, he immediately plays my favorite song apprende pachuche" It s a reggaeton song about a group asking "when are you going to light the weed?" And when he plays it, I have a napkin rolled up, like a joint, and this other guy, sparking his lighter simulating him lighting my joint" LOL. I'm a "fraud" cause at age 47 I've never been high or even tried weed ever in my life" The crowd died laughing around the Dlatin Dj booth. I make my way to the VIP section at Dlatins, It was useless because we were burning up, no Ac and the fans felt like someone was pointing a hot blow dryer in your face (not cool) I tell my homies, what happened with Ana, they started "clowning" while laughing their asses off. Lmao.
It was about 1:30sm (est) my stomach started rumbling with the "bubblies" instant diarrhea Tmfi" I know, so I head back to my room cause I got an "explosion" waiting to unleash on the toilet. I get to my room, and let out the "sonic boom" sitting pretty on the throng (toilet) When all of a sudden I catch movement from my eye" ooh shit I saw the "biggest roach" I ever seen crawling up the wall before me. That shit scared the hell out of me" and its 1:45am, and I'm screaming like a little old bit@h! Lmfao! That big roachs had to be over an inch long and a half a inch wide. It made, your other wise tough Deepmmpactt into a coward. I threw a towel, at his big ass, he scurried away. (more on that critter later)
In my mad hysteria, I must of inadvertently locked my bathroom with me on the outside. Now I'm in a hotel room, with no bathroom access. I get to. Dlatin, everybody had already left, making the pilgrimage slowly heading toward After 1. I walk up the street and low and behold my "so called novia"was standing ready to confront me, about ditching her. She wasn't saying one single word, to me but she wasn't turning all the liquor down or siting on the VIP, with us. LOL!
Stay tuned "knuckle heads" It gets good.
Last time I was in Sosua was Nov. 2010. I stayed at the Volomor which was great, but was quite a ways from the action. I'm thinking of the New Garden. I wonder how long of a walk to the main action? Also does it have it's own beach?
I'm very sad to hear that Classico is not the hot spot anymore. I really loved that place as it was a great freelance pick up spot.
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now. My usual spots are Lima, and Colombia where the dollar has not done as well.
If you guys have any better ideas for a hotel I would like to know. My needs are simple, and basic. A room safe, ceiling fan (AC not important) , girl friendly, TV, and Wi Fi.
Thanks in advance, and a report will follow when I decide to pull the trigger.
All ISG members qualify for discounts between $ 5. 00 to 10:00 per day (depending on the room). Just mention that you're a member when making the reservation.
Deep, your's is the report I've been waiting for since you hit Sosua (like a friggin' hurricane!) on June 7. You have this authenticity and way with words that, on the one hand, transports me back to paradise, but, on the other hand, makes just a wee bit jealous. Can't wait till you get to the continuing saga of your wick dipping experiences. Peace and love.
Enjoyed your first day diary entry! When you say ISG rate, do you mean a group rate or do all ISG members qualify for a special rate? I'll be staying at NG in August.
Camaro1257
06-19-13, 15:47
I'm wearing my black t shirt with "El Caballo Negro" written on the front and back with a black hat that also read El Caballo Negro in white letters.Hey Bro, we met at the Field of Dreams swim suit competition I hope you enjoy the rest of your trip!
Good reporting Deep, keep them coming. Most guys are paying what you paid, you are just honest enough to post about it.
Kudos
Great report and thanks bro for making the world safe for this old-time, rock and roll, former hippie to come out of the closet and admit that I kinda like this new-fangled rap genre stuff.
Please convey my regards to the NG breakfast club gang and peace.
In 3 in 2 in 1. Cue the "theme song" " Dirty deeds done dirt cheap" artist " cheap trick" sorry brothers I went to the "light side" on this one. (LOL)."Deep television"9 is now live and burning up the airwaves" I slowly move back into Dlatins, I feel the "ice cold" glare of my novia. I'm too scared to make eye contact. She was mucho 'pissed at my stupid ass. I make my way passed the Dj, he immediately plays my favorite song apprende pachuche" It s a reggaeton song about a group asking "when are you going to light the weed?" And when he plays it, I have a napkin rolled up, like a joint, and this other guy, sparking his lighter simulating him lighting my joint" LOL...
SteviWonder13
06-19-13, 17:15
New Garden is close to the action. I go to Don Antonio but I am not sure what is better.
Charles Pooter
06-19-13, 17:27
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now.The bad news is that there is inflation in the DR so things work out about the same as three years ago for gringos. Still, as you say, things are worse elsewhere.
"to add insult to injury Ana tells me "don't worry about it" It wasn't MY fault, and Buenos suerte! I almost backhanded that bit@h, really? So folks stay tuned into "Deep Television" " facing the wrath of my novia"That is fucking hilarious! 3k for 20 minutes of frustration! At least you got a good story to share with your boys! (Wisdom teeth pulled? Damn! She has some perfect DSL on her too!) Your right, sometimes it best to just pay the female to bounce and you write off the experience. You handled it the right way!
DeepMmpactt
06-19-13, 19:57
I'm 3 in 2 in 1 (cue the music)"Dig if you will the picture, of you and I engaged in a kiss, the sweat of you body covers me, can you my darling can you picture this? Well my "scorned novia" fast forward when doves cry to "How can you just leave my standing "alone" in a world so cold, maaybe your just like my father he's never- never satisfied Why do we scream at eachother this is what it sounds like. When Doves Cry". Okay enough you get the picture" So I silently and slowly walk passed her, my friends were ahead of decided, to go gamble in the casino, next door to After One. One thing about "Josefina" she is a dignified, classy lady, once I got to her I saw the hurt on her face, but she still reached out and grabbed her hand (okay guys its getting cheesy I know) will someone grab some chips cause it's going to get more cheesier, we can all have nachos with all this cheese I'm spewing" and BTW shout out to Camaro1257 and my main man "shockman, great to hear from you guys" okay back to the cheesy love scene, We walk in silent, toward After One" (hearing Michael Jackson's song in my head You are not alone I am here with you) (and Just call my name and ill be there) ISG knuckleheads put your lighters up and sway them side to side" and sing with me "I'll BE THERE" okay so we reached After One, me and my novia walked in silence and her fine ass friend (I still want to fuck her fine ass friend she brought with her) lmao. We enter the left door into the casino, when it takes a weird but troubling turn, this shit totally caught me off guard. One of my friends came up to me, as I entered the casino, hein said he doesn't know what to do? He said yo Deep you need to do something, cause our other friend was playing this weird roulette table, They spin the wheel and these 5 red balls fall into these numbered slots, How much the 5 balls total, if your token covers that particular bet, you win points. All of a sudden, I'm now hearing he's $11, 700 US DOLLARS! In the hole WTF? I head over to our other friends to tell them what's going on?
Our other friends finish playing poker (they lost but nowhere near what's taking place) , So we walk back to where our friend is playing that weird roulette, My friend that was playing with this look in his eye, pleaded for my support and please don't judge him at least not right now. I know I havea big mouth and knack for lectures, but this was neither the time nor the place. He tell me he's almost $12, 000 US in the hole, hut he's not stopping" and all he needs is 2 more points and he wins 350, 000 Us dollars, I must admit, I kind of got "greedy" myself, my friend tells me if he. Ahem wins he's paying for all our Dr trip, and expenses. Here's the catch every spin of the wheel costed him just about $800. 00 us dollars, and the casino would walk him to the office and he needed to clear what he owed before he continued. This walk of shame kept up, We all cheered and supported cause the pot grew to $500, 000 Us, that game was a "scam" they all are, because instead of you winning or playing with house money, they sucker you with a "bigger pot winning potential " so you truly "never" win anything, all the while sucking your money out of you.
My novia that speaks perfect english, tell my friend should stop now and he's being and "idiota" (idiot) my friend hands me the cup full of red balls, to throw, but beings $800. 00 Us per spin I could'nt do it. I handed the balls back to him." I didn't have the "balls" to throw the "red- balls"cause after my horrible encounter with Ana, I had " blue-balls". (pun intended) LOL! So, the manager was cool at first allowing us to " cheer" our friend on, but once the realization dawned us it was mathematically impossible to achieve that point he needed, We told our friend to stop, well that didn't set to well with the establishment, now " WE" had to step back from the table where our friend was playing, because "we" are now. A distraction, when just a few minutes ago they (establishment) wanted us to cheer our friend on.
Asked my friend How far do you plan on going into the "hole" before he "quits" he says hes to close and to far to stop now and he plans on going as high as $50, 000 Us! Wow I didn't realize he had that kind of money or (does he?) Okay, its your money but $50, 000 I could think of other shit is do (if I had that money) because money is no "object" fod me "I don't have "any". Lmao! My other friend said let's see, since our friend is dropping big loot, they (after one) should comp our entire entourage with "free drinks" all night" nothing doing! Cheap bastards, they offered (get this) free bottled waters! (really?) So we parted infill after one closed, the sun was beginning to rise, we stop at the corner stand and got a couple of sandwiches, through all of this word got back to my novia that fast, she said tu pagar tres mil tu la chica why tu no tienne leche tu drew estupido why idiots ambient (basically saying I gave Ana 3, 000 pesos and I didn't cum, what a stupid idiot I was) What can I say she was absolutely right! Now she out jedi the master, We get back to my hotel room, she hops in the shower comes back then sucks the shit out of the chocolate jackhammer. She was pounding the shit out of "El Caballo Negro" I was screaming and letting out horse sounds simultaneously. Man, she also let out angry moans and screams, In the Reverse Cow girl position All I saw was her light skinned round ass going up and down engulfing the chocolate jackhammer, the constant up and down of that ass, cause yo boy Deep to have vertigo" lmao! She wanted allow me to change position, so I never was able to get on top of her to return the "smashing of her tight pussy" then she would hop off and power slurp my butts! Uugghhg! That tongue was relentless! But Damn that ***** bit the hell out of my nutts. Ouch! It's that feeling when you're kicked in the nutts and the bottom of your stomach starts to cramp up! .bit@h Did that shit on purpose. Then she "appologized" with a smirk on her face. Once the pain went away she rode the "beast of burden like a hour straight" after we both leched, she had to send her son off to school, it was daylight by now. She looked at me daring me to give her anything less than 3, 000 pesos knowing my failures with Ana. I ponied up the money and off she went, I can't lie that angry fuck was just what j needed. So folks ill wrap up Deep Television in the next few episoles, and thanks for the positive feed back I appreciate the love and you taking the time to watch my programming. LOL! Peace and stay tuned!
Bad stuff runs down hill. When you break your rules is when it really pisses you off. 3k for short time come on man. When the little head is running the show. Sosua is the one place I can forgive you. I remember sitting in Classicos blowing off 8s and 9s cause they were not good enough. Can not wait for your next report.
We made our way slowly through the crowd, my having my brand-new laser light (shout out to Big T) for getting it,
I need one of those.
I grabbed Ana and said "vamonos mi Amor" she took my hand and lead me a different way, she had a SUV truck, leather seats, moonroof, cd / mp3 player, bumping that reggaeton, ivem Dlatins to Ngs. Okay. ISG brothers get ready to "blast my stupid ass" I agreed to 2, 800 St (Two thousand eight Hundred for short time! Damn I must ve been smoking "crack" I need my "platnium monger card" revoked, Bravo my brother it gets worse! We get to Ng, get into the room,
Ana who drives a SUV about 3,000 p for short time. Throw her ass back into the chica pool!
She now tells me she went to the dentist and got her wisdom teeth out. WTF, convenient time to tell me now.
Ana with the Jedi "my mouthsore hurts trick". Throw ass her back into the Chica pool!
Her small vaginal got even smaller. I couldn't get it in no matter how hard I tried, she arched her back complaining the "whole time" mi duele mi duele (it hurts it hurts) so now I'm completely frustrated busted and disqusted.
Ana with the mucho tight pussy! Put her ass on the to do list with timer on. No all nighters. (No XL magnums here) LOL.
She wouldn't budge off that 3, 000 peso bullshit!
When dealing with Ana use 62E contracts techniques.
New Garden is within 5 minutes walking distance of the main action strip and about 10 minutes from the beach. It does have a pretty decent pool, the room safe, fan and AC, and Wi Fi.
While I would characterize the atmospherics of the place as "lively" and a welcome relief from my staid, suburban existence is sex prison, I've heard others complain that the clientele can get too loud at times.
Hope this helps, cheers!
Last time I was in Sosua was Nov. 2010. I stayed at the Volomor which was great, but was quite a ways from the action. I'm thinking of the New Garden. I wonder how long of a walk to the main action? Also does it have it's own beach?
I'm very sad to hear that Classico is not the hot spot anymore. I really loved that place as it was a great freelance pick up spot.
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now. My usual spots are Lima, and Colombia where the dollar has not done as well.
If you guys have any better ideas for a hotel I would like to know. My needs are simple, and basic. A room safe, ceiling fan (AC not important) , girl friendly, TV, and Wi Fi.
Thanks in advance, and a report will follow when I decide to pull the trigger.
Marc Anthony
06-19-13, 20:35
That is fucking hilarious! 3k for 20 minutes of frustration! At least you got a good story to share with your boys! (Wisdom teeth pulled? Damn! She has some perfect DSL on her too!) Your right, sometimes it best to just pay the female to bounce and you write off the experience. You handled it the right way!This chica spoke good english and drove a fancy truck. If the experience gained was those things should raise huge red flags it was well worth the cost.
This chica spoke good english and drove a fancy truck. If the experience gained was those things should raise huge red flags it was well worth the cost.I know for a fact that chicas who are already "Taken care of", and live in Santiago, will rent a car and drive to Sosua for a weekend hustle. These girls dress the part, wear diamonds, and have fresh hairdos and nail Polish. They don't go for guys that talk that bullshit. They want that dude that has his own villa and that certain style that doesn't say"cheapo". And these girls won't even take you serious if you try to negotiate hard. Their average price is 4000p to start. And believe me no 2000p trick you fuck in Sosua can touch what she represents, it exclusive.
Need taxi from STI to SOSUA Good Rate landing at 8:30pm JULY 3.
Aany ISG members that want to split a taxi let me know.
Marc Anthony
06-19-13, 22:53
Last time I was in Sosua was Nov. 2010. I stayed at the Volomor which was great, but was quite a ways from the action. I'm thinking of the New Garden. I wonder how long of a walk to the main action? Also does it have it's own beach?
I'm very sad to hear that Classico is not the hot spot anymore. I really loved that place as it was a great freelance pick up spot.
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now. My usual spots are Lima, and Colombia where the dollar has not done as well.
If you guys have any better ideas for a hotel I would like to know. My needs are simple, and basic. A room safe, ceiling fan (AC not important) , girl friendly, TV, and Wi Fi.
Thanks in advance, and a report will follow when I decide to pull the trigger.Voramar is a German place that's very chica friendly but too far away from the action to walk at night especially. Though it's quiet out there on the east edge of town. You should look at Sosua on google earth or similar and understand the layout, it's not hard to get familiar with. New Garden is short walk from the main nighttime action on Pedro Clisante and about a 10 minute stroll from either the main beach with all the businesses or the new beach.
You can find places cheaper than newgarden that will suit your needs, like Rocky's or others. The main question is do you want the ambiance of a mongering hotel.
"I just give up, and lay there, thinking to myself this shit deserves my black ass right, for ditching my girl. So now my master Jedi powers are kicking in, so I said Ana (she speaks perfect english) since "we didn't do nothing ill give you a 1, 000 pesos and head back to Dlatins, there goes that you must be smoking crack glare one again. She said she charges 3, 000 pesos an hour! But its only been no more than 20 minutes, plus. So after "you" coundnt take the chocolate jackhammer" she counters it wasn't her fault I had a 'huge dick" and it didn't fit, so after 5 minutes of back and forth. I told her that I needed to go back to Dlatins to find another chica, cause I wasn't satisfied with her. She wouldn't budge off that 3, 000 peso bullshit! "Thanks DeepMmpactt, your experiences have taught me an important lesson. Since Ana was in your hotel room, I understand your decision to just pay, so there would be no drama.
In the future if I take a chick that I am not too sure about, I will go to a short time hotel for our first session. That way if she is terrible or if some drama starts, I can just place 1000 peso note on the table and walk out. Situation over with, no more arguing.
Thanks DeepMmpactt, your experiences have taught me an important lesson. Since Ana was in your hotel room, I understand your decision to just pay, so there would be no drama.
In the future if I take a chick that I am not too sure about, I will go to a short time hotel for our first session. That way if she is terrible or if some drama starts, I can just place 1000 peso note on the table and walk out. Situation over with, no more arguing.That's fantastic advice Bravo. I generally don't take a chica back to MY room until I know her a bit, usually through a short-term encounter at Dulce Secreto. Once she knows where you're staying, the balance of power has shifted to her. So you should know what you're getting. Deep likely did the smart thing by paying her the 3k and chalking it up as a lesson learned.
Last time I was in Sosua was Nov. 2010. I stayed at the Volomor which was great, but was quite a ways from the action. I'm thinking of the New Garden. I wonder how long of a walk to the main action? Also does it have it's own beach?
I'm very sad to hear that Classico is not the hot spot anymore. I really loved that place as it was a great freelance pick up spot.
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now. My usual spots are Lima, and Colombia where the dollar has not done as well.
If you guys have any better ideas for a hotel I would like to know. My needs are simple, and basic. A room safe, ceiling fan (AC not important) , girl friendly, TV, and Wi Fi.
Thanks in advance, and a report will follow when I decide to pull the trigger.None of the hotels that us mongers frequent have a beach. The closest to it would be Sosua Bay (Topacio Azul) which is pretty worn-down these days, and Casa Cayena. Casa Cayena IMO is a good choice as it's about 50 yards from the new beach (Playa Alicia). Like New Garden, it hosts almost all mongers and can get a bit rowdy at times.
For a quieter place that is still very close to the action, Casa Valeria might be a good choice.
Grandnash84
06-20-13, 06:19
Last time I was in Sosua was Nov. 2010. I stayed at the Volomor which was great, but was quite a ways from the action. I'm thinking of the New Garden. I wonder how long of a walk to the main action? Also does it have it's own beach?
I'm very sad to hear that Classico is not the hot spot anymore. I really loved that place as it was a great freelance pick up spot.
The good news is the dollar to the peso is stronger now. My usual spots are Lima, and Colombia where the dollar has not done as well.
If you guys have any better ideas for a hotel I would like to know. My needs are simple, and basic. A room safe, ceiling fan (AC not important) , girl friendly, TV, and Wi Fi.
Thanks in advance, and a report will follow when I decide to pull the trigger.Las terazzas is where I stay. Condos right on the private beach. Beautiful sight to wake up to every morning. Studio start at 100 / night up to 3 bedrooms. All have washer dryer full kitchen utensils, wifi, tons of towls, etc
Marc Anthony
06-20-13, 07:32
Does anyone happen to know the arrangement that chicas have with the house at Passions? The price always suggested a basic split 1500 for the chica. 1000 for the club with similar for other menu items but no idea if that's correct.
It's about 11 o'clock in the afternoon. Group meeting. Do we stay another day in Sosua or to return to Boca Chica. A white guy and fellow monger in his late 50's from New York overheard us debating. He made the comment "fellas I've been all over this country and it doesn't get any better than Sosua". It's funny I'm a black guy with gold teeth you might think I'm a thug at first glance. Here's a white guy looking like a judge, joking about his 250 pound frame, had all four of us gathered around him like Buddha him listening to all of his adventures. He invited all 4 of us to join his entourage of about 5, No racial barriers. Americans looking out for Americans. He's right- if quick, ease, cheap pussy (by American standards) from a sexy ass chica is what you want-you can do that 24/7 Sosua blindfolded. Using the Ray Charles technique of course. Things are bigger, most varieties, faster pace and cheaper except for hotel rooms when comparing Sosua to Boca Chica. New York if you are in here- you said you will take me under your wing and guide me through finer arts of mongering. LOL Alas we are country boys and the decision was made to head back to Boca Chica. Sosua will always get a few days from me. I just can't do it all week. My appetite too strong- money not that long.
On our way back from Sosua; We heard a suggestion from Charlie to go to Samana. Supposed to be just lovely as Sosua but slower and he has family there too. My vote was no! I've never heard of this place. Ro and T pleaded their case for new adventure and challenged the Gemini in me. I gave in because a Ro string of bad luck and he was hyped again. Had I known the area was muy mountainous, I wouldn't have never agreed. We put a working on that Hyundai. Those uphill mountain slopes were narrow and a little dangerous. Charlie who we later realize couldn't read a map was navigating us all on memory. I did have my GPS. We really ended up in Las Terrenas. A city north of Samana. Dominicans called the whole area Samana. As we rolled around the area we didn't see anything worth stopping for. Nice area if you had a special chica or Novia with you. However- I didn't see anything that resemble Sosua or BC. Mongering action is dead in these parts. Avery Johnson calls timeout! We are either going back to Sosua or going to Boca Chica!
We are now Boca Chica bound. We get back in Boca Chica in time to get something to eat and watch Miami's win. Ro went to sleep, Fresh, T and I went to Batey. We all fell in love with Pamela Anderson. A Chica with one leg, and a lot of class- standing in the club looking like Hallie Berry with ass. We must be country boys. We are flippin the coin on who gets this chica. Fresh wins but this one legged Chica would not give him the time of day. I ordered her a drink. She came to the table looked at me took the drink and hopped off. Okay I know this game. Then one of my three GF came in. In Boca Chica girls try the "invest my time with you I'm your novia route". I know it's all game but at least I know what we are playing. They think all Americans are rich. Hey I get pussy on discount this way. Fresh's Chica comes though the door. Some girl got lucky- unlucky to wiggle her way toward T's favor. We are off to the Lions Den- aka last call for alcohol. Aka fuck fight or hitchhike. 8 Chicas walking around on the outside and about 20 or so freelances on the inside. I must say this. Boca Chica has a big Haiti community. Most of the independent chicas are of Haiti persuasion. In my Forrest Gump voice;"there is lots of chocolate". Ran into two more Gf sitting on opposite sides in the club. All with plans of hope for me night. BC is alittle slow this month. T and Fresh are enjoying their chicas. I am walking around the club playing it off trying hard not to give one girl more attention than the other. In the end, I did what any coward wouldn't do. I pretended like I was too drunk to respond to anyone. T and Fresh put me in the car and drove me to the hotel. I took the first Gf that came to my hotel. My top flight security will handle the rest. I call her Robin Givens. A mid brown woman in her late twenties. She was a waitress when I first met her. She wouldn't dare ask me for money since we are playing chess with each other. She mates in the end because I always give her something. 2000 to 2500 and some very nice dresses. That's after 2 good days of fucking. I like her because she fucks to make me like her. Her pussy stays wet from beginning to end. I prefer that over a younger chica who after a good 35 minutes is pleading for lechie while she's drying up. I could hear Fresh. Sounds like he is riding a horse next door to me and T found his nympho fuck. That 120 pound Spanish with the French flat ass yelled stop and harder all night.
SavePros321
06-20-13, 11:21
Thanks DeepMmpactt, your experiences have taught me an important lesson. Since Ana was in your hotel room, I understand your decision to just pay, so there would be no drama.The fact that this happened to a Sosua Vet leads me to believe that this is going on far more than is being reported.
Say what you want folks, but take a look at all the trip reports pre-December 2010 and you will not read anything like this ever happening to anyone. Then read the trip reports post-Dec 2010 and then come back here and try to tell me there is no "old Sosua" vs "New Sosua", LOL!
I just give up, and lay there, thinking to myself this shit deserves my black ass right, for ditching my girl. So now my master Jedi powers are kicking in, so I said Ana (she speaks perfect english) since "we didn't do nothing ill give you a 1, 000 pesos and head back to Dlatins, there goes that you must be smoking crack glare one again. She said she charges 3, 000 pesos an hour! But its only been no more than 20 minutes, plus. So after "you" coundnt take the chocolate jackhammer" she counters it wasn't her fault I had a 'huge dick" and it didn't fit, so after 5 minutes of back and forth. I told her that I needed to go back to Dlatins to find another chica, cause I wasn't satisfied with her. She wouldn't budge off that 3, 000 peso bullshit! ISG knuckleheads prepare to let my punk ass have it! I paid the 3, 000 pesos and wrote it off as a loss"We get back to Dlatins 3 minutes later, and my girl (whom I ditched) sees me get out of Anas truck, if looks could kill, I was a dead man walking"
So, folks I got a round trip 3 minute ride from Dlatins to New Gardens and back for my 3, 000 pesos I'm the biggest dumbass known to man"and to add insult to injury Ana tells me "don't worry about it" It wasn't MY fault, and Buenos suerte! I almost backhanded that bit@h, really?
Thanks for sharing your story Deep. The biggest insult of that night was that she went back to D'Latins and probably perpetrated this fraud a few more times (including the "mi duele, mi duele" bullshit) with a couple more gringos before heading home.
And 3000RD per hour? Speaks perfect English? I'm thinking you were dealing with one of those chicas that has spent some time in the US and got her ass deported back to the DR. That's the story of a lot of the (older) male hustlers that hang around Sosua (and speak perfect English).
Just wanted to point out the one Rookie mistake: not setting the terms and conditions (how much for how long) up front. It's likely you would have passed on her if she had told you 3000 per hour, to which you should reply "bytch, are you smoking crack?".
Does anyone happen to know the arrangement that chicas have with the house at Passions? The price always suggested a basic split 1500 for the chica. 1000 for the club with similar for other menu items but no idea if that's correct.That is about right, blocks and rebar are not cheap, ever see the 10, 000 sq ft house Peter built behind Passions?
Need taxi from STI to SOSUA Good Rate landing at 8:30pm JULY 3 any ISG members that want to split a taxi let me know.I always just ask guys on the plane are they going to Sousa. They usually reply with " are we splitting the cab "?
That is about right, blocks and rebar are not cheap, ever see the 10, 000 sq ft house Peter built behind Passions?Do the girls live in his house or do they stay at the cheap white apartment building down the street?
Thanks DeepMmpactt, your experiences have taught me an important lesson. Since Ana was in your hotel room, I understand your decision to just pay, so there would be no drama.
In the future if I take a chick that I am not too sure about, I will go to a short time hotel for our first session. That way if she is terrible or if some drama starts, I can just place 1000 peso note on the table and walk out. Situation over with, no more arguing.As long as a guy can leave without being detained that seems feasible. A cabana however may present a problem. The staff usually inspect the room before they allow you to leave. It's going to be harder for a guy to plop down dinero of what he thinks is fair on the table and just walk / drive out. If there is drama or a dispute inside the room it's likely going to continue outside, with the possibility of the cops being called. The ST hotel where you can leave undetained or undelayed seems workable.
And 3000RD per hour? Speaks perfect English? I'm thinking you were dealing with one of those chicas that has spent some time in the US and got her ass deported back to the DR. That's the story of a lot of the (older) male hustlers that hang around Sosua (and speak perfect English).I happen to know the girl he was talking about. She was being supported by an American for a long time. She has a very nice apartment out in POP. He bought her the SUV, sent her to school to learn English and sent her money every month to keep her out of Classicos. It was all good for the first year or so until he told her "That he would keep supporting her and that she was his number 1 girl. However, he would fuck other hoes on his vacation when he went to Sosua!" He basically gave her an ultimatum, deal with it or kick rocks. She decided she was too young and attractive to have to deal with other hoes laughing at her behind her back, so she turned the deal down. Now she is in DLatins 6 nights a week.
She pulls up in the SUV, has the fancy clothes, LV purse and speaks excellent English, but its all an act. She is broke and needs to make pesos just like all the other girls in the club. LOL!
Charles Pooter
06-20-13, 17:05
the fact that this happened to a sosua vet leads me to believe that this is going on far more than is being reported.
say what you want folks, but take a look at all the trip reports pre-december 2010 and you will not read anything like this ever happening to anyone. then read the trip reports post-dec 2010 and then come back here and try to tell me there is no "old sosua" vs "new sosua", lol!if it is happening, it is happening because the breed of monger has changed, and sosua has adapted.
five years ago, the ratio of suckers to sensible mongers was lower, because while most of us are suckers on our first (and maybe second) trips, we learn, sometimes the hard way. in those days a higher proportion of visiting mongers were on repeat trips. now all sorts of dumbasses with money to burn are being attracted by the various who reboards and online videos.
anyone who goes with a chica who asks 3000 pesos and drives a suv must realise that he is not calling the shots because she doesn't need his money. i am not saying it cannot work, but you are flying on a wing and a prayer. find some pretty young haitiana for 1000 or 1500 and she will likely be grateful and very unlikely to make waves because she desperately needs the money and is probably an illegal immigrant.
there are more wh oreboards with far more posts nowadays, so a lot more unpleasant incidents get reported. because i live here i also hear lots of stuff on the grapevine. i have yet to hear of anyone get into trouble or scammed who wasn't 50% to 100% responsible. drunk, poor choice of chica, ignoring "red flags" as marc anthony puts it, arrogant ot racist attitude, etc, etc.
of course, not every encounter is a winner. maybe 20% or more are disappointing. but you just factor those in to your average costs and the north coast still represents excellent value.
Even though many believe the monger has the power because he has the cash. IMO the p4p arrangement between monger and chica puts the monger in a bad position to begin with. Yeah he has the money. But there are no guarantees he is going to get what he thinks he is paying for. He has no protections in place. He can't call the cops, like the chicas do. He can't sue her for mal performance. If a dude gets away with not paying a chica (or paying her less) for poor performance without retribution from the chica. He got lucky. He aint special.
We know Deep could have kicked this girls ass from here to Puerto Plata. But why would he give into her demands? Because he knows better. In the DR he is likely going to get the short end on any dispute with a chica. These chicas arent girls scouts (or chica scouts ). They thrive and survive more on deception, ignorance and inebriation of the monger moreso than on integrity. Our attempts to protect ourselves by so-called negotiation prior to sex is really a joke. Being a vet is no consolation. Vets make mistakes too. These arent necessarily lessons learned. They are merely wakeup calls. The mistakes will continue, because of the bad position the monger is in. These chicas don't give a shit about any agreement or what they said before. They said whatever they needed to say to get you to take them. And in some instances, even try to get more money above and beyond the original agreement. Also, how many times has it happened where you thought you wanted a chica to do toda la noche, and she ended up leaving before her "agreed" time? Too often. Lying is their survival mechanism, plain and simple. The lies are plentiful and infinite. Always think they are lying 1st, and make them earn your belief. ( belief , not trust. )
Classics : "I had root canal, so I can't suck your dick" "I will be back in 2 days, I'm going to Samana to visit family, and there is no signal in the campo, so you won't be able to reach me, and I can't call you" LOL
Deep was not scammed. The girl attempted to fuck him but had issues. She quoted 2800 pesos for st and Deep agreed to the price. She was naked in his bed legs spread. The fact that Deep was not able to penetrate was not her problem. She presented the pussy. I still believe we mongers have the power. The girls know if they get a bad rep they are screwed. It is a buyers market. Way more girlys then guys. Most girls can not get a customer. They are desparate for our dollars. IMO most girls are honest. They know we are using them to get our rocks off.
I happen to know the girl he was talking about. She was being supported by an American for a long time. She has a very nice apartment out in POP. He bought her the SUV, sent her to school to learn English and sent her money every month to keep her out of Classicos. It was all good for the first year or so until he told her "That he would keep supporting her and that she was his number 1 girl. However, he would fuck other hoes on his vacation when he went to Sosua!" He basically gave her an ultimatum, deal with it or kick rocks. She decided she was too young and attractive to have to deal with other hoes laughing at her behind her back, so she turned the deal down. Now she is in DLatins 6 nights a week.
She pulls up in the SUV, has the fancy clothes, LV purse and speaks excellent English, but its all an act. She is broke and needs to make pesos just like all the other girls in the club. LOL!
Deep was not scammed. The girl attempted to fuck him but had issues. She quoted 2800 pesos for st and Deep agreed to the price. She was naked in his bed legs spread. The fact that Deep was not able to penetrate was not her problem. She presented the pussy. I still believe we mongers have the power. The girls know if they get a bad rep they are screwed. It is a buyers market. Way more girlys then guys. Most girls can not get a customer. They are desparate for our dollars. IMO most girls are honest. They know we are using them to get our rocks off.OK. I wouldn't necessarily say Deep was scammed, but I do think he was hustled. If that chica was not able to satisfy her customer, she does not deserve full payment. If she wants to play professional, then the onus is on her to make sure she is capable of fulfilling her end of the agreement. She failed to fulfill her end of the agreement and therefore does not deserve to be paid in full as if she completed the job. The chica said it was not her fault that he was so big. Well my counter to that is. It's not his fault that she was so small. He was ready, she wasnt. It's not like he couldn't perform because he was limp. If that happened, then the problem is his. But that doesn't mean the chica is exempt from satisfying her customer in other ways. But this is why I say the monger is at a disadvantage in this game. Because he can't guarantee or ensure he will get what he thinks he's paying for.
She knows her pussy better than he does. So she should have warned him that she can't take a big dick. But that aint going to happen, because like I said earlier. They are going to say and do whatever it takes to get you to take them. And deal with the issue later.
As my deceased elderly neighbor used to say."A paid job, is a finished job". I guess that principle only works in the states under ordinary business transactions?
Mr Enternational
06-20-13, 17:51
You are exactly right Wrx. Like I have said before you can be an expert monger and have your system down to a T. But every now and then something is going to go wrong. You can handle it the easy way by just paying and givong in to het demands or you can be like me and take the riskier road and argue and attempt to not give in. Monger's choice.
Deep acted like a rooky. He grabbed a girl because she looked good. He did not take time to talk to her. Had he told her what he wanted up front he would have a better case. I know I am well endowed so I bring lube. We are the ones who choose not the girls. Most girls want to come back if you are a decent guy. So going to a room and fucking a guy is no big deal. Like the guy said when sh t hits the fan it is because we screwed up most of the time. Deep is a good guy but he broke the basic rules Like yo.
You I would not have paid the 3k. I would have paid for time may be a 1k but I am not paying 2800 st no way.
You are exactly right Wrx. Like I have said before you can be an expert monger and have your system down to a T. But every now and then something is going to go wrong. You can handle it the easy way by just paying and givong in to het demands or you can be like me and take the riskier road and argue and attempt to not give in. Monger's choice.
I read some old posts from 2005. I have to say very little has changed. The price of pussy has stayed stable. The girls seem to have been a little more mellow The girls made an effort to wife up. It is clear that because guys no longer seek the GFE the girl mod has changed. When a girl thinks you want to spend time with her she brings her best game. It as a win win back in the day. The girls got a couple of days pay with same guy. In return they made love to you like a novia. The girls know most g For me getting good GFE is the way to go. Even a hard core puta if she wants can make you feel like a king. Lastly the guys got better deals buy wifing the girls up.
I read some old posts from 2005. I have to say very little has changed. The price of pussy has stayed stable. The girls seem to have been a little more mellow The girls made an effort to wife up. It is clear that because guys no longer seek the GFE the girl mod has changed. When a girl thinks you want to spend time with her she brings her best game. It as a win win back in the day. The girls got a couple of days pay with same guy. In return they made love to you like a novia. The girls know most g For me getting good GFE is the way to go. Even a hard core puta if she wants can make you feel like a king. Lastly the guys got better deals buy wifing the girls up.Lmao, first you say very little has changed then you go on to list how many things have changed. Then you say the only thing that has basically stayed the same is pricing. The loss of GFE ushered in the new sport fucking era that currently exists, agreed. Gogo has been saying this for years as it was happening, but the Flintstones are finally catching up with the Jetsons.
=Bravo; 1436594]I happen to know the girl he was talking about. She was being supported by an American for a long time. She has a very nice apartment out in POP. He bought her the SUV, sent her to school to learn English and sent her money every month to keep her out of Classicos. It was all good for the first year or so until he told her "That he would keep supporting her and that she was his number 1 girl. However, he would fuck other hoes on his vacation when he went to Sosua!" He basically gave her an ultimatum, deal with it or kick rocks. She decided she was too young and attractive to have to deal with other hoes laughing at her behind her back, so she turned the deal down. Now she is in DLatins 6 nights a week.Wow Bravo. Thanks!
I was thinking about telling a few of my GF take it or kick rocks. So that is how / what a sexy Chica could be thinking. A chica's pride ever hit me. Specially when you consider yourself better than the rest. I guess I will continue to play chess with them.
DeepMmpactt
06-20-13, 19:24
In 3 in 2 in 1 Live and back burning up the airwaves with "one million watts of savage power" (cue the music) I would do anything for love" but I won't do that" (Meatloaf) okay I thourghly enjoyed Grownman 1 reports, keep them coming my brother, Savepro you are absolutely right, the trend is changing with these stunts being pulled more and more frequently. I want to thank all the mongers both newbies and veterans, for chiming in on my Sosua adventures. You guys have been quite merciful, I expected a "all out firing squad" First of all, I pride myself of giving "highlight-low lights or no-lights at all. Oldkool was 100% accurrate, Ana was respectful the whole way, (the dental problems fraud) kind of caught me off guard. Ana presented the pussy, I ate the "freshly showered pussy" and if you recall I turned down her 3, 000 pesos price tag. 6 months ago. I had opportunity to "keep on stepping" but my stupid ass, chose to pursue Ana" If you guys recall "I ditched my beautiful novia, to sneak out, with Ana on a coward ass move". So the same thing that makes you laugh makes you "cry" I do want to "caution" mongers that "bad tooth or toothache story reared it's ugly head 2 more times after that. Beware of that bullshit, and ask your prospect if she's feeling well or How's her teeth doing any problems? Plus recommend a "good dentist" LOL! Say aahhhhh! Lmao! We at ISG pride ourselves on telling it "all" I hope through my stupid sense of humor, someone else avoid certain pitfalls".
Honestly Ana the "whole time" never disrespected or caught attitude, she informed me of the price prior to me going in. My stupid ass had 6 months to mould it over, and I had already, set in my mind to pay that ridiculously outrageous price. I considered it like going to a "fancy restaurant" going in I knew fully well How expensive the prices where, I reasoned its not like I was going to that restaurant "everyday" I was going to just splurge that one single instance. Ana even "what's app" me they other day thanking me " yeah for nothing" I might as well hand her 3, 000 pesos and kiss her hand, It wouldn't been any different. LOL! (kidding) Call me crazy but I ain't mad at her in retrospect. And now we will take questions from our live studio audience.
Q). I just want to know do you feel like a dumbass? A.) Yes! I'm a dumbass, ISG members preach time and time again, Don't pay these inflated prices it drives the market up. And they were right! Next question Q.) Do you think all chicas are scammers? A.) I wouldn't say all but once a dumbass like me, give in to these methods, even good girls that normally wouldn't scam, will try and see if it works. I. E My baby is sick, my mom is in the hospital, I don't have anything to eat (now I have a tooth ache) that was a new one. Blah blah blah. I have had these regurgitated excuses for money from hardcore putaz to everyday good girls words spread fast on what us mongers are falling for" Q.) In retrospect what would you've done different A.) Boldly told the chica your price is to "high" and you will never pay that ridiculous high ass price, further more once my stupid ass got painted in that idiots corner, of paying to much. It's hard to get off the ropes" but you boy Deep, started the Muhammad Ali "Rope a dope" I shuffled my feet back and forth like lightning, put on my "Magnum Xls condoms, then I began floating like a butterfly then sting like a bee"! LOL! I am the "greatest monger off all time) in my best Muhammad's Alis voice.
In other news my friend the next morning was feelings pretty bad (realization of being $15, 000 Us) poorer! At least the Ng had "free" breakfast that should ease the pain" yeah right. LOL! He wanted to talk to me, in private, It's funny I have the biggest sense of humor than most people too often I am the butt of most jokes, and I laugh with them, (most of the time) What's ironic is when a situation turns "seriously sideways" My friends seek me out for advice on what to do next? All jokes aside and now they fully expect me to "whip out my magic wand" and fix this" or have the magic answer" Q.) Do you regret reporting your Ana expierience on ISG? A.) Hell no! If me being a hard headed ******* can prevent some newbie or veteran from being an idiot, then it was success!
Man overall this was a great trip, what was troubling my gambling friend wanted me to accompany him back to the casino, talk to management (get this) tell the management He did his homework on the internet and concluded that roulette game was a scam, and now (calmly he would asked for his money back) really? Oh I can see that going over "real well" ahh Mr Manager sir your games a fraud and I change my mind I want all my dough back. Lmao! Sure I'll give ALL your money back". Oh okay, I told my friend let's save the embarrisment of that walk of shame" and I'm sorry I couldn't support something so ridicoulous, my friend know exactly what he was doing, the management walked him several times, back and forth, he couldve stopped at anytime, plus my friend said he was willing to lose $50, 000 Us (thank goodness he quit at $15, 000) to try and win a half a million dollars. Wow! Okay my ISG "knuckleheads" We went to Mels tours in Sosua, to rent Atvs in Pop, so grab your remotes and please change the chanell to Pop section, Deep Tv, is now digital and in Hi-Def and we are taking this "show on the road" next stop Pop section! See you over there.
He did not take time to talk to her. Had he told her what he wanted up front he would have a better case.O K, not exactly sure what you mean by he would have a better case had he talked to her 1st and told her what he wanted up front? Do you mean a better case in regards to the scrutiny he might get from the fellas or fellow mongers?
However, even if he did tell the chica what he wanted up front, that doesn't mean she was going to give him what he wanted and how he wanted it. Example : "Hey girl, I want to have sex with you for $2800 pesos." "I want the pussy to be good and wet too." "I want multiple positions with you." "If I can't come with your pussy, I want you to suck me until I come." "Okay papi, lets go" Now, suppose Deep told her all of that? What difference would that make to the chica? Performance and quality is subjective. And that is the principle the chicas thrive on, even if they don't know it. As far as she's concerned her pussy is good. What she decides to do in the room can easily change from what he told her he wanted. Like sucking his dick unenthusiastically, causing him to say never mind. Thats probably happened to most of us. And the chica usually gets paid what was agreed. A monger simply can't account for a chicas quality / performance no matter what he tells her he wants. He can even pay her more money and still that won't guarantee the quality of her services will satisfy. I think the main issue in Deeps case is, he paid the chica too much dinero who he had not been with before. He did not know what kind of performer/quality she was. Maybe he was impressed by her presentation and her driving that vehicle, and felt she was worth the $2800??? Thats what make up, clothes and high heels is doing to most of us. Tricking us to believe these chicas are stunning. I have seen many a classico chica in the morning leave a guys hotel looking like shit. But that night, she was the baddest thing in the club. Dont be fooled by the masquerade fellas. Thats an ordinary chick underneath the facade.
Mr Enternational
06-20-13, 20:17
I've never been one to choose a girl on flair. An empty wagon makes the most noise. When I bring a chick back and she goes to take a shower and comes back with makeup still on I send her back in to wash it off. You are here for fucking, not to join the circus. A buddy of mine's wife is a famous porn star from the 80s and early 90s, but if you saw her without that makeup and hair then you would run the other way. If I saw the chick come up in a nice ride styling like that then I would have offered her even less. I would have told her it looks like she already has plenty of money so mine couldn't do shit for her.
This hobby is very subjective. Whereas most guys go crazy over head, to me bomb head is a rarity so I can usually just skip that. I'm a critic, where others are just happy to have their pecker in some chick's mouth so on that alone it is good to them. If we need to use KY from the start then there is nothing good about that pussy to me. I need a big juicy one, not a dry tight one.
A buddy of mine's wife is a famous porn star from the 80s and early 90s, but if you saw her without that makeup and hair then you would run the other wa.Vanessa Del Rio?
This past May, I stayed at Mary Rose condos. That is way on the east side of town (Sosua ). I met a guy that lives across the street from Mary Rose. A few times I stopped by to talk to him. He has a nice view of the street and the courtyard of Mary Rose. From his balcony he can see everything walking or driving by. Well anyway, he pointed out several chicas who were casually walking by or on a moto who worked at Passions. They were totally dressed down and no makeup. They looked nothing like the scantily clad vixens in stilletos you see all up in Passions. Moreover, he pointed out several buildings where a lot of chicas rent rooms or apts. So they can stay in Sosua to "work" instead of traveling back and forth. You can call these chicas from their balconies or windows and they will be happy to spend a little time with you. This dude lives there so it was nothing to have different local chicas come to his apt to service him. Some even came around to cook and hang out with him because they had nothing better to do with their time. Many of them were available to me at local prices, however I didn't partake because I was wifed up most of the time, and she looked better than they did. I almost got with one cute 19yr old Haitian girl. I didn't get with her because of time constraints. But I'm sure her expectations for $$$ would have been reasonable. The other thing he pointed out, is some of the motoconcho drivers with their novias, driving them to the strip or to meet "customers" she has an appointment with. Don't be surprised, the guy driving the chica to see you just might be her novio or esposa.
I started to get the idea that if I wanted to, I could monger right there with more local chicas by Mary Rose without heading for the strip. And save money.
Marc Anthony
06-20-13, 22:42
I read some old posts from 2005. I have to say very little has changed. The price of pussy has stayed stable. The girls seem to have been a little more mellow The girls made an effort to wife up. It is clear that because guys no longer seek the GFE the girl mod has changed. When a girl thinks you want to spend time with her she brings her best game. It as a win win back in the day. The girls got a couple of days pay with same guy. In return they made love to you like a novia. The girls know most g For me getting good GFE is the way to go. Even a hard core puta if she wants can make you feel like a king. Lastly the guys got better deals buy wifing the girls up.The good GFE is really all I'm interested in which is why I've never spent much time at the big clubs since any chica there is either hardcore or apprentice hardcore. I'm a lot more interested in chicas who have a real job. If you are making 6-8K pesos a month for 176 hours of work and sucking the boss's dick for the privilidge a 1K pesos means more, not enough to be treated like a puta, but enuf if you are treated like a novia. It hard to tell whether the percentage of hardcore chicas is any different if you filter them out and hope they filter you out. I see it as a problem of anything that stands out as evidence of having money. It's like bleeding in shark country.
Last time I found a chica I ended up liking at the club it was early evening before the upstairs opened and I was being harassed by a couple of typical hardcore chicas to the point I was about to leave. I had noticed a little Haitian spinner across the bar who was painfully shy and wearing a dress that looked more appropriate for a church social, like it was her one "good" dress. The HC chicas who were badgering me for a drink on impulse I told. Sorry, my novia is here and waved the Haitiana to come here. She looked like a deer in the headlights but I coaxed her over. The HC chicas were saying. That's not your novia and I was cracking up. The shy girl was physically my type and I got a kick out of her reaction like I must be crazy, this is mistaken identity! Nonetheless she hesitantly let me lead her out of the bar arm around her laughing. I managed to communicate that I was just sick of being harassed by those other chicas and I found her very attractive.
Discussing money she asked for 2500 pesos (which I think was advice given her) and was expecting to be laughed at. I said ok. The sex turned out to be disappointing and walking her back to pedro clisante I admittted I wasn't all that pleased. I paid her the 2. 5K though and only admitted I was not very pleased when she asked. When we were parting she put all the money back in my hand and told me she truly wanted a second chance to please me and begged me to call her. I accepted all the money back but asked her if she had money for a moto to get back to Charimicos. So I gave her 100 pesos. I ended up getting really great sex and hanging with her for a couple weeks and she did very well for gambling on giving all the money back even though that was obviously painful. If she hadn't given it back I would just have written it off as worth an interesting experience even if the sex wasn't great.
Vanessa Del Rio?Vanessa is more like the late 70's fame.
If we need to use KY from the start then there is nothing good about that pussy to me. I need a big juicy one, not a dry tight one.I feel likewise.
Marc Anthony
06-20-13, 22:57
Great report Wrx2005! Any more stories you recall like that I'd like to hear.
I love good GFE as well but when you are in Sosua it is hard to lock down with one girl. So in Sosua I tend to sport fuck but if a girl provides a good time I get the number and may repeat. The girls are not stupid. They can tell when you want a quickie or a quality fuck. I look for girls who are not to hard although with the right moves some of the HC can be converted for a few days. Being HC is a necessary response to the life they live. Talking and dancing with girls help weed out Hc girls from the I need the money but I want to have fun girls. Really desperate girls can not focus on sex. They are getting out of the bed as soon as you nut. It is a fine line between having a vacation lover and a novia. The girls see a nice guy as a white knight and want a real relationship. You have be upfront with them that that is not going to happen. Most are satisfied to have a few days of the good life. Often they are are lonely and frustrated by the Dominican guys who have abused them. For my GFE amigas I give genuine affection and respect. They see this in how I treat them. You get what you give very often. Morning sex with a sweet young willing partner is priceless. I suggest the best of both worlds. Have fun in Sosua and make love in the other parts of the DR.
[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1436705]The good GFE is really all I'm interested in which is why I've never spent much time at the big clubs since any chica there is either hardcore or apprentice hardcore. I'm a lot more interested in chicas who have a real job. If you are making 6-8K pesos a month for 176 hours of work and sucking the boss's dick for the privilidge a 1K pesos means more, not enough to be treated like a puta, but enuf if you are treated like a novia. It hard to tell whether the percentage of hardcore chicas is any different if you filter them out and hope they filter you out. I see it as a problem of anything that stands out as evidence of having money. It's like bleeding in shark country.
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Hey all,
The fellas and I have a trip planed 17-23 July. We found Hotel El Colibri http://www.colibrisosua.com/ And the site makes the hotel look great. I contacted by phone to find out if it was Chica friendly, unfortunately the language barrier prevented me from receiving a definitive answer. They also charge a non refundable fee for canceling within 30 days of arrival.
Has anyone stayed here or have any information on this place? And how far is it from the clubs. On Google earth it looks pretty close. Appreciate the help fellas.
Great report Wrx2005! Any more stories you recall like that I'd like to hear.Okay, well anyway. I stayed at Mary Rose for the 1st time this May. From the 21st until June 5. I had a chica I met on Dom Cup in April from POP. She spent time with me on most of my days. And like many chicas who try to come off as a non pro chica she tried to convince me she was interested in a serious relationship. She's 28 and I'm more than 20 yrs older than her. So in my sane mind I know her presentation aint nothing but a well orchestrated con. Nevertheless, I got involved anyway.
To my credit, I explained when I 1st met her in April I wasnt going to be a WU novio. I got that out the way, and she seemed to get it. However, even at 28 I think she had a lot more experience at this dating thing than I gave her credit for. Well she hasnt sought money WU, but she sure wasnt shy about asking me for rent money after 2 days of us meeting in April. Her rent was allegedly 6000 pesos a month. I had given her money in the morning after our 1st night, but since I was wifed up with her, I thought the 6000 pesos was going to be "worked" out. So I gave it to her. Later came a request for babysitting money, because somebody allegedly needed to be paid to watch her son. "how much? I asked. She asked for 1500 pesos. Now I know daggone well she wasnt paying nobody 1500 pesos for babysitting.
Moving on. In April, it was my birthday. She offered to cook for me. I know what you are thinking. Yeah I had to give her money for the food and such, and still that wasnt enough, because I ended up going back to the store (La Sirena) in POP to buy more stuff for the party. I was the only guy, with 2 of her friends, and aunt, sister and some kids. Before that trip ended I ended up "payiing her" some dinero as a gift. We all know I was closing the unspoken and unwritten deal Almost all of her time with me was TLN. BTW I stayed at Don Antonio that April trip. She didn't like being in Sosua. Not because she doesn't like Sosua, it was because I picked up on the idea that she "worked" in Sosua before and didn't want to be seen in Sosua, or the possibility someone she is / was seeing was going to spot her. She wouldn't know it, but I didn't give a shit about who she fucked or is fucking. No matter what, chicas feel the need to maintain their illusion of innocence and virtue.
Still and all, I blew chances to enjoy the Sosua playa trying to fulfill her request of not going to the Sosua playa. We ended up going to Cabarete playa most evenings.
Fast fwd to May.
Now I'm at Mary Rose, and I expect to spend a good portion of my time with her. Even though she is fine, I eventually got a little disappointed in not being able to enjoy more chicas and or do other things without her.
Good thing for me though. A few opportunities presented themselves. One was, she left for 2 days, allegedly to Samana on a Friday, and was to come back on Sunday, which was Dom Mothers Day. I called up an Esperanza chica and had her come to Charimicos (I picked her up at the bus station ). Since POP left clothes in my condo, I decided it would be best to take her to Dulce Secreto. And why not? It's just down the street and around the corner from Mary Rose. I took her to Rickys rest for some Dom comida, I already had the presidentes. So off we went for TLN in the cabana.
BTW on a tip, I had been introduced to a libido enhancer sold over the counter in the local farmacias in Sosua. Mambo 36. Well Mambo did an excellent job helping me handle my business. The next morning, I dropped her in Charimicos to catch a cramped taxi. Went to the playa and hung out with my wing for the afternoon. I was debating on whether I should score on the strip or go for a sure shot. I called a chica I know who lives in Santiago. Blondie. I just called to feel her out. But as soon as she got my call, she immediately told me what time she was leaving to catch the bus to Sosua. Well I guess that settles that.
I didn't mind because we have good chemistry. And she makes it feel like GFE even though we both know she is there for the dinero. I too took her to the cabana for the same reason as the other chica. I paid to have the room all night. Then she goes to use the bathroom and comes back with a bloody tissue. Got damn! Like Shaft said to Bumpy in the original movie Shaft."You've just been hustled Bumpy"
This chica was either on her period or just coming off. But couldn't resist the temptation of making her some quick cash, a hot meal, shower, a good fuck and a nice bed. I fucked her anyway, but that is all I got that night. It was pretty much mish the whole time. And no head that night. If I would have known she was bleeding, I surely would have made other plans. I'm definitely glad I didn't bring her back to Mary Rose to bleed in my bed.
And that is one example of how mongers are somewhat at a disadvantage when it comes to protecting their interests in the p4p game. These chicas are not going to be honest. Later that week, my POP chica stayed home, so I got with Blondie again. This time I paid for one night at Seabreeze. That was much better. Plus I had the room until 11am, whereas they kicked me out the cabana at 6:45am for about the same price. That was a good night. The day before I was to fly, I had a fallout with my POP chica. Her damn texting and TV watching was driving me nuts. Oh and I forgot, she had been on the rag for the last 4 days. So I wasnt getting any juice from her. I created an argument so I'd have a reason for her to go back to POP. The other reason is, her whole facade of me being her novio was wearing thin. She really wanted me to be her financial sponser. All in all, I just did not trust her, and I wasnt really having the type of fun I like to have. Such as going to the playa. Moreover she wasnt really a sociable chick. Fine as hell but has the personality of a rock. My ex from SD was very sociable. She was fun to be around, and liked to laugh. This one? A cute dud.
Anyway. I took her back to POP. There was no talking in the car. I got to her house and she leaned over to kiss me on the cheek. I just casually told her to take care of herself. After that I was relieved, but it was late in my vacation. I should have got rid of her days ago. Well. Now I had the whole day. Went to the playa, had a great fish meal, and contemplated how I wanted to spend my evening.
I called up a chica I used to have good times with. Blasina. I knew she was around because I saw her at D'latins the night before. She is getting up there too. She has to be about 31 now. It was 4 in the afternoon, and I got her to come to Mary Rose. This chica was hardcore now. No kissing, no massage, no head. Just put the condom on and fuck, I might as well of been fucking a rock, because she was nothing like we used to be with each other. I didn't come nor did she try to make sure I did. She just pretended like me not coming was a strange phenomenon. Took exactly an hour and she was ready for a moto. I know I won't be trying her ever again. And the chick called me later that night to get with me again. I guess she figured that was some easy ass money. Yeah she's hardcore now.
Alls not lost because I called Blondie before I left the playa. She was coming on the 4pm bus that arrives around 6. The night with Blondie this time was bang zoom. That night, next morning, and then again after breakfast at NG. WTF? Thanks to Mambo in my system I didn't disappoint. As a consolation prize, Blondie got to take home all of the stuff I couldn't take with me.
On a side note. Blondie contacted me ( while Im home ) telling me she has chest pains. Then she texts that she is going to Sosua so she can get money for medicine. Hint hint. Then she texts me, that the pain is so severe that she can't make it to the bus. Next text, can you help me with getting the medicine. I ignored the texts. Then she calls me. I ignore the call. Later I text her and tell her I'm sorry you feel the need to contact me for money. I told her I don't send money to the Dominican Republic. Her next text is I'm sorry I bothered you. And then she says, I always stay in touch with you, not just because I need money.
No response from me. I've learned from experience that you can't make them mad. Even if they seem pissed, it's all a facade to get you to react. Feel ashamed, feel concern etc. Most of the time, when you come back they will still be ready to fuck you for your dinero. And if they have a clue of when you are coming back, you can be sure you will be receiving communication just prior to you getting back to the DR.
Hey all,
The fellas and I have a trip planed 17-23 July. We found Hotel El Colibri.
http://www.colibrisosua.com/
And the site makes the hotel look great. I contacted by phone to find out if it was Chica friendly, unfortunately the language barrier prevented me from receiving a definitive answer. They also charge a non refundable fee for canceling within 30 days of arrival.
Has anyone stayed here or have any information on this place? And how far is it from the clubs. On Google earth it looks pretty close. Appreciate the help fellas.Yes it Chica friendly
Great Stories Wrx2005! Very interesting.
If a chica dares to ask me for 3K short-term AND she speaks English, I run the other way. I don't care how hot she looks.
Grandnash84
06-21-13, 06:53
Hey all,
The fellas and I have a trip planed 17-23 July. We found Hotel El Colibri.
http://www.colibrisosua.com/
And the site makes the hotel look great. I contacted by phone to find out if it was Chica friendly, unfortunately the language barrier prevented me from receiving a definitive answer. They also charge a non refundable fee for canceling within 30 days of arrival.
Has anyone stayed here or have any information on this place? And how far is it from the clubs. On Google earth it looks pretty close. Appreciate the help fellas.They make the place look really nice which it is on the outside, the grounds are beautiful. I had a room facing the pool. Rooms are a / see with cable tv. But the room was all messed up. Cracked paint, water stains all over the cieling and walls, sink in bathroom always getting clogged etc. Rooms are fairly big though and it is clean as in no visible leaks, no bugs, dirt etc. Nice pool and resturant but for the money you can get a place on calle rosen that is much better. Plus its like a 1/4 mile from the main strip. Not a bad walk but a little annoying from time to time. Only reason I stayed there is because it was during 2012 superbowl and ng lost my reservation and it was all I could find in such a short time for the bussiest time of the year down there.
This past May, I stayed at Mary Rose condos.What was your overall impression of MR? Did you have a car? If so, how is the parking situation? Did you use the shuttle? How was your condo?
Ana was respectful the whole way, (the dental problems fraud) kind of caught me off guard. Ana presented the pussy, I ate the "freshly showered pussy"Deep, Ana was respectful thats cool. And yes you got to eat the pussy. But she don't earn points for that. She knowingly hustled you. And the respectful, pleasant act just helps her avoid getting backlash. I strongly believe she never really intended to fuck. She was going to get in and get out without having to do much of anything, by any means necessary. She probably prides herself on how much sex she doesn't have to perform. I think she knew how to control her vaginal canal so you wouldn't fit. Big guys make it easy for her to pull that off.
She already took care of avoiding giving you head with that BS line of dental work. You mean she couldn't even kiss or lick your dick? I went back to re read your initial post where you said in the beginning you guided her hand to stroke you and nothing happened. And thats after she initially straddled you, and then laid beside you. IMO, she didn't want to stroke you because she really didn't intend to fuck or get you off. Once she made sure you didn't fit, she gets to shower, get paid and leave to find another ST sucker. And you know damn well she aint telling the next guy she had dental work until after she is in his room. Even though you wanted to come in the pussy, the least she could have done was give you a good hand job. Now why didn't she offer that? Did her hands have root canal too? You could have did 69 with her (eat her pussy) while she hand stroked you til you came. If the next guy easily fits she will probably find an excuse for him to stop too. Or come up with another reason that she can't continue. Oh yeah, and tell him she can't suck his dick either. Ana could have got you off if she really wanted to. These chicas are professional. She made it seem like the whole session was a done deal once it was established you wasnt fitting in the pussy. For 2800 pesos you deserved to get off, even if you didn't want to come by a HJ.
I think many of us are guilty of being impressed by subtle things chicas do. Like "she didn't or never asked me for money" "She was respectful" "she was apologetic because I didn't come" "she refused the money I gave her, but she accepted it". For most it's just an act. The bottom line is, the chica still is getting paid. A chica acting nice, respectful, considerate etc. Allows her to create a favorable impression to the monger, which often results in rewards and benefits. Like propinas, overpayments, being excused for lack of performance, un deserved repeat sessions, gifts, no backlash or drama etc. But in reality, if you heard them talking to their friends, all of that is an act. They brag to their friends of their conquests. It seems the strategy too many chicas have these days, is to get in and out, doing as little as possible, get the money and find the next guy to repeat with. I think some chicas do care about getting repeat business.
But too many don't give a shit about that because they don't have any business sense. And because there are always a steady stream of old and new guys coming to Sosua to run that shit on. And if the chica is really sexy as I suspect Ana was, she probably has a line of men from various sources who probably would like to wife her up. So she aint at a loss for attention.
Has anyone stayed here or have any information on this place? And how far is it from the clubs. On Google earth it looks pretty close. Appreciate the help fellas.I've stayed at this property before and enjoyed it. They have a very nice pool and the food in the restaurant was pretty good. My room was spacious and the AC and hot water were good. The hotel is definitely chica friendly. Colibri is close Pasions and CMP, but father away from the beach as well as D'Latin and Rumba, which are the two most popular places for freelancers and hanging out and where most of the action is. If you are in Colibri, you might get tired of walking back and forth to the main part of the strip. If you have a rental car or moped, you would be OK or you could use motobike taxies back and forth.
If you are new to Sosua, you might want to pick a hotel that is closer to D'Latin like New Garden, Terra Linda, Casa Cayena, Sea Breeze, El Rancho, etc. so you can walk to the action and not have to rely on anyone else to get you to and from the hotel when you have a chica or don't feel like walking. If you are looking for more of the frat boy atmosphere, staying at one of these hotels, closer to the strip, would also provide that, as most mongers seem to stay a very, very short walk from the action.
I think many of us are guilty of being impressed by subtle things chicas do. Like "she didn't or never asked me for money" "She was respectful" "she was apologetic because I didn't come" "she refused the money I gave her, but she accepted it". For most it's just an act. The bottom line is, the chica still is getting paid. A chica acting nice, respectful, considerate etc. Allows her to create a favorable impression to the monger, which often results in rewards and benefits. Like propinas, overpayments, being excused for lack of performance, un deserved repeat sessions, gifts, no backlash or drama etc. But in reality, if you heard them talking to their friends, all of that is an act. They brag to their friends of their conquests. It seems the strategy too many chicas have these days, is to get in and out, doing as little as possible, get the money and find the next guy to repeat with. I think some chicas do care about getting repeat business.
But too many don't give a shit about that because they don't have any business sense. And because there are always a steady stream of old and new guys coming to Sosua to run that shit on. And if the chica is really sexy as I suspect Ana was, she probably has a line of men from various sources who probably would like to wife her up. So she aint at a loss for attention.Well articulated. Reminds me of a skit Chris Rock did about when guys brag about how they take care of their kids, which is obviously something they are supposed to be doing and should not get extra credit for.
A lot of Captain Save A Hos want to talk about how these girls are not really putas and how they just need money and are somehow different than girls that sell pussy in other parts of the world. While there are some girls that use this as a temporary fix and are not trying to get over, there are many that see this as a profession and some of those see hustling gringos as part of that profession also, whether it be by not performing, upselling when you get her back, jamming a gringo up with the police for a bigger shakedown, etc.
I've never been one to choose a girl on flair. I'm a critic, where others are just happy to have their pecker in some chick's mouth so on that alone it is good to them.I think I'm much worse than you, as I look for chicas that have the cheapest alcatel phone, flat shoes or casual sandals, as normal clothes as possible, real wash and wear hair, well kept hands and feet but without all the over the top long and fake shit. This has been much easier, since I rarely drink now in Sosua.
what was your overall impression of mr? did you have a car? if so, how is the parking situation? did you use the shuttle? how was your condo?i liked the location. i felt like i was a local living there. i stayed for 15 days. the 1st 8 days i had apt 16 which has a private entrance. you have to come outside mary rose gate to get to it. the apt was spacious and modern looking (especially the kitchen ). flat screen tv in living room only. shower always had hot water. a / c and ceiling fans were great. now the downside. ants were a problem in the kitchen. i bought bug spray from the colmado down the street. woke up one morning to find a cockroach upside down on the kitchen counter. thought it was dead, but it was just chillin. i sprayed him / her and then killed it. later in the week, i killed another one.
wifi was terrible. couldn't get a signal in the bedroom. signal was weak in the living room. the best signal was when i opened the balcony door. better if i sat outside on the balcony. satellite tv was erratic in the day, and terrible at night. too much pixelation making the tv utterly useless to enjoy.
later i finished my stay in unit 7 on the 1st floor inside mary rose courtyard. this little apt was very nice. fans and a / see worked great. hot water was great. only caught one cockroach, this one in the bathroom. little tiny ants in the kitchen were still a problem. you couldn't leave any food out. little or no cellular signal anywhere in the apt. had to go outside the room to get a signal to call. also wi fi and sat tv the same problem as unit 16. (my wing had the same problem with wifi and sat tv, and celular signal. ) maybe a little signal in the living room, but needed to step outside the apt for wi fi. overall, the wifi was slow even with the best signal. most places i've stayed they don't have high speed internet like at home.
imo the pool was not maintained well enough or often enough to enjoy. i constantly saw debri floating around in it. the pool area and courtyard look very nice. the prices? apt 16 was expensive. $325 plus $35 for maid service. apt 7 was $275 plus $35 for maid service. if i knew better i would have stayed in apt 7 the whole time. the only benefit of apt 16 is the private entrance out on the street side.
yes, i had a car. i did not see how the shuttle would work for me. it doesn't leave mr until 12pm. so if i wanted to go out for breakfast we would have to catch a moto. there is no problem with that because 200 ft from mary rose is a moto stand of drivers waiting for guests to come out of mr. they are also directly across the street from one of those buildings that chicas rent rooms. the motos are right there to transport them all over sosua. as soon as you step out mr gate they are looking dead at you for a ride. sometimes driving over before they know where you are going. so really, transportation is not a problem. i had a car mainly because i'm adventurous and like to explore all over. the other main reason is, my chica lived in pp and i drove back and forth from time to time because of that. plus i might have items i can't carry on a moto. i always parked outside in front of mr on the street. parking never a problem.
going back to mr. it was quieter at night. nothing like sosua suites where you hear the clubs all night. the roosters are still living in the area, but they werent an issue for me. i slept quite good. the staff at mr is very friendly and they are prompt when it comes to cleaning the rooms. i thought my units were very nice. my main issues were the sat tv, and the wifi. the ants and cockroaches i'm starting to see more and more of them in other places i've stayed. during my stay i found villa cheesa hotel near playa chiquita. went to see it early in the day with my wing. brought my chica back to see it later that afternoon, and she spotted a cockroach crawling on the same bed i saw earlier. so i guess bugs seem to be a problem all over. what i don't want is my place to be infested with mice.
btw, almost everything i usually buy at the playero super mercado on the main road, i was able to buy from the small colmado down the street from mr. of course there were some things they didn't have, but i thought what they had on hand and their local dr prices was great. i got beer, juice, bug spray, mouthwash, lotion, kitchen cleaning supplies, ice, cups, water etc. they had plenty of liquor, but i wanted some bailey's. they didn't have it. the superm had it, and was cheaper than all the colmados that did have it.
the dude across the street, meeting him gave me something else to do. i got a chance to meet some of the local chicas he knew. could have had a hookup or two because those chicas knew other chicas or had sisters or cousins that were willing to come to sosua. if i wasnt wifed up that would have been an interesting adventure. i would stay at mary rose again because of the location and the coziness of the apts and grounds. but i wasnt happy with the sat tv, wifi or poor phone reception inside the apts. does my info help?
there are many that see this as a profession and some of those see hustling gringos as part of that profession also, whether it be by not performing, upselling when you get her back, jamming a gringo up with the police for a bigger shakedown, etc.EXACTAMUNDO! And many are using dating websites as a means of hustling dudes. One is to feign like they are interested in a relationship. When the reality is they are looking for a WU novio. Another is, trying to get a dude to send her money to pay for her expenses of dealing with him. Internet, phone, transportation etc."I won't be able to communicate with you papi if you don't pay my phone or internet" "I can't come see you, if you don't send me $100usd"
Another is straight up lying about some problem they have, that they hope the Dom Stupid err I mean Cupid guy will take care of.
I'm pretty sure I was hustled by my PP chica. After my April trip and before my May trip she put on an excellent performance acting like her BB cellular phone was giving her problems. She would claim the phone didn't ring. If she answered the phone she would act like she couldn't hear me and then hang up. Claim she didn't receive my texts etc. If I called back she would do it again. Her performance paid off. I decided I would bring her a phone as a gift. Figured we could work that off too. Ironically, when I came in May. She didn't put the BB phone aside, and swap chips. Instead she got a separate chip / number for the new phone. And she ended up carrying around both phones. The whole vacation in May, I saw her use that BB without any problems whatsoever. After a while I realized."You've just been hustled (again) Bumpy"
She also had a small laptop computer. Everytime we Skyped, I could not hear her, but she could hear me. She didn't push the issue, but she made it seem like there was something wrong with the laptop. When I was with her in May, there was nothing wrong with the laptop. It just didn't have an external Mic. All she had to do was plug in a wired headset with a mic on it. Now I can't be sure she didn't know her laptop didn't have an external mic or she was pretending it wasnt a good laptop. I'd rather lean more towards the latter. How many guys who keep in contact with chicas are experiencing the chica complaining about her phone (or some other gadget) not working properly? All so they can get another one, or an upgrade.
Now that I recall. My ex SD chica tried to hustle me for a phone (a 2nd phone ). She showed me on Skype the BB I bought her had a white screen. She said it would cost 2500 pesos to fix it. I told her I will check it out when I see the phone. In the meantime she had her uncles phone to use. The same phone she had before, when I decided to buy her the BB. I really believe she did something to the phone so the display would be blank. And then put it back later afyer the con is done. When it got close to my trip. Something told me to call her number. A dude answered the phone? If she was using her uncles phone, and her phone had no display, why would anybody be answering the display less phone?
Here's where she got sloppy. The very next night when I talked to her on Skype, she wasted no time telling me how her grandfathers house (where she allegedly lives) was burglarized, and her phone was stolen from her BR. Yeah right! Seems she felt she had to do some damage control since whoever answered her phone told her the number that called her. I asked her what else was stolen, and her response was suspect. Then she tells me she is going to cancel the account / number on that phone.
All of this didn't matter because I was phasing her out anyway to replace her with (another barracuda) the PP chica who is 10yrs younger. So this BS made it easier to accomplish.
All in all. The main issue here is how easy it may be to get caught off guard. And find yourself believing a simple situation in front of you is authentic, when it isn't at all. Like I said before, deception with men / mongers is a common way of life for these chicas. My shame doesn't stop there. I bought Blondie a phone too. The next time I saw her, she didn't have the phone. She had the same Alcatel phone from before. I should have learned my lesson from that. But I thought the PP chica was different because I didn't find her working in Sosua. My eyes are open now. No mas. Sigh!
Wrx2005. Do you ever let the girls know that you have caught them in lies or do you just walk away and cut them off forever?
Mr Enternational
06-21-13, 15:21
if all else fails then i jack off in her mouth. then there is no love lost.
when i was on the street the girls who brought in the most money were the ones who could run scams and steal in addition to fucking. lips, hips, and fingertips.
i don't think any of us would put up with this kind of stuff from hookers on our home turf, but when we go overseas our mindset changes, whereas the game is the same worldwide. if you can't peep the game you are going to be tried and / or taken for a mark. there are even hustlers working from behind pulpits. nice doesn't mean shit in this game. (the "nice" ones you should watch even closer. you already know where the not so nice ones are coming from.) as they say you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar and some hustlers have that down to a science.
explain on the streets. were you a pimp. i have often thought you had a pimp perspertive.
if all else fails then i jack off in her mouth. then there is no love lost.
when i was on the street the girls who brought in the most money were the ones who could run scams and steal in addition to fucking. lips, hips, and fingertips.
i don't think any of us would put up with this kind of stuff from hookers on our home turf, but when we go overseas our mindset changes, whereas the game is the same worldwide. if you can't peep the game you are going to be tried and / or taken for a mark. there are even hustlers working from behind pulpits. nice doesn't mean shit in this game. (the "nice" ones you should watch even closer. you already know where the not so nice ones are coming from.) as they say you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar and some hustlers have that down to a science.
wrx2005. do you ever let the girls know that you have caught them in lies or do you just walk away and cut them off forever?i think i tend to keep the info to myself. one of the 48 laws of power states one should play a sucker to catch a sucker. the only problem i had, i wasnt playing a sucker. i was a sucker. i guess the chicas was using that law of power better than i was? with some, when i finally caught on, i was pretty much at the end of the road with the chica anyway. so no harm no foul. i could chalk that up as a lesson. not learned, but a lesson. however, another chica i used to mess with a while back, i definitely busted her bubble. this had more to do with my discovery of her dating a guy and claiming she was my novia. i didn't ask her to be her novio, she insisted i was, so i expected her to play the role. i really didn't give a shit about her fucking other guys. but don't soup my ass up about wanting a relationship, and force this novio thing down my throat, all the while you are fucking other men. thats adding insult to injury.
i'd much rather have the understanding that you fuck you who you choose, and i fuck who i choose. these chicas don't want that. they not only want your dinero, but they want your trust, belief and loyalty too. while they violate everything they expect from you.
when it comes to stuff like cons to get gifts and cellphones. those lies are easier to deal with. in some cases, i've deflected those lies. in other instances, i failed to recognize it right away. but instead of busting them, i have adjusted my involvement with them. in other words, their lies helped me to break the chain of illusion they were selling. so in some twisted sort of way, i'm actually thankful for their lies. all of these occurrences is therapeutic to help me recognize the need to be suspcious of anything that comes at me from any chica. my buddy is the type that he would rather let any charade that comes his way, just play out. he is well protected because. 1) he doesn't come as often. 2) he doesn't maintain close contact with chicas. 3) he rarely responds to any of the rfm from his "novia", yet she keeps trying to get him to send money. 4) when he sees her, she always comes from santiago to see him, even though he rarely sends her money.
once i adopted not sending money (over a year and counting) i have felt much better about bs that came my way. if they got me to give them anything, at least i was able to get compensated in trade. not being a wu novio is the key. being real cheap is probably better. i'm working towards that. but it's been hard because i'm kinda generous with people. especially with women that make me come. lol
Mr Enternational
06-21-13, 16:24
Explain on the streets. Were you a pimp. I have often thought you had a pimp perspertive.Yeah. Last year of high school. 89-90.
I forgot to answer a particular question. I only cut off 2 chicas completely. One that never intended to give me any pussy after I drove to SD from Sosua (met her on Dom Cupid in 2012 ). And the chica I busted fucking another dude, but telling me I was her novio. As far as I'm concerned, every chica I dealt with lied to me about something. My 1st chica, I realized she was fucking other dudes while claiming I was her novio. But for some reason, I didn't have a problem with it, because I made the financial adjustment right away. And later, I still ended up fucking her, even though she had a new novio who was now in the same boat I was in. I remember that night outside of El Rancho how her phone kept ringing and it was him calling her. She would run off to answer it, smiling. But that night, that pussy was mine (for a fee of course ). That experience was a wake up call. I think I'm more prepared for stuff like that than I am about a potentially malfunctioning cell phone. All the other lying ass chicas I have chemistry with......I havent cut them off. Some of them have cut me off. 1) because they are busy conning other men and 2) because I wont succumb to their attempts when they spot me somewhere. Like asking me to buy them a beer, or give them 200 pesos ( for whatever BS they come up with ). 3) the chemistry aint the same anymore.....chica is hardcore, no passion.
All of the male touts, shoe shine boys, cd selling girls, rosetta stone selling guy and anybody else gets nothing from me anymore. I had to tell our number one shoeshine hustler recently, I don't like being hustled. This was immediately after he put on the sorry look to get me to give him money for food. In principle I have no problem giving someone money to eat. But I know it's a hustle. He has money, and doesn't want to spend his own. He don't even live in Sosua, he lives in PP but comes to Sosua to hustle money from gringos all day and all night. And guess what? Dudes are throwing him free money everyday. If anybody wants to start being conscientious with their money, don't start with the chicas, start with the touts you give free money to every day. At 1st the shoeshine bit when he was younger was cute. But now the kid is almost bigger than I am, and often he may not even have the shoeshine box anymore. Now he often hustles without the box. Now he straight up asks guys for money to eat, and he gets it.
I am so informed now. The little kids asking for money are killing my budget. Those quarters really add up. I pay 25 pesos for a shine. It is a bargain. Sorry when a kid 10 years old is trying get some cash to eat or what ever I am down with the kid. To bad your selfish ass was not born in the DR to a poor parents. Shining shoes is better then robbing people. It is an honest attempt to make some cash.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1436946]All of the male touts, shoe shine boys, cd selling girls, rosetta stone selling guy and anybody else gets nothing from me anymore. I had to tell our number one shoeshine hustler recently, I don't like being hustled. This was
ForceSteeler
06-21-13, 18:06
A lot of Captain Save A Hos want to talk about how these girls are not really putas and how they just need money and are somehow different than girls that sell pussy in other parts of the world. While there are some girls that use this as a temporary fix and are not trying to get over, there are many that see this as a profession and some of those see hustling gringos as part of that profession also, whether it be by not performing, upselling when you get her back, jamming a gringo up with the police for a bigger shakedown, etc.Never understand why dudes come to Sosua to wife up prostitutes. If she is willing to fuck you for $40 dollars. You don't think she is going to fuck the next dude that lands in Sosua next week?
I am so informed now. The little kids asking for money are killing my budget. Those quarters really add up. I pay 25 pesos for a shine. It is a bargain. Sorry when a kid 10 years old is trying get some cash to eat or what ever I am down with the kid. To bad your selfish ass was not born in the DR to a poor parents. Shining shoes is better then robbing people. It is an honest attempt to make some cash.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1436946]All of the male touts, shoe shine boys, cd selling girls, rosetta stone selling guy and anybody else gets nothing from me anymore. I had to tell our number one shoeshine hustler recently, I don't like being hustled. This wasYeah I'm a selfish ass. By not allowing myself to be hustled by a kid that has money in his pocket but acts like he is flat broke. When I want my shoes shined, I pay for it like everybody else. This aint about making a decent living, so pay attention. If they aint shining my shoes, I'm not obligated to give my money away. Especially when I just seen you pull a wad of money out of your pocket 10 minutes before on another street. Now all of a sudden you are hungry because you saw me? GTFOOH. Of course you wouldn't know this because your judgement is clouded, or you don't understand where I'm coming from. But me and my buddies have observed how some of these kids will approach and greet a guy who they know they can get money from, but they'll ignore giving the same greeting to his friends who arent giving their money away. I don't need no fake ass friendship. If you can't give my friends the same acknowledgement you give me, then I don't need your fake friendship. It's obvious the only reason they go straight for the guy giving them money is because they expect to get more out of him. And thats without working for it. Whats smart about these boys, they never give up. And they never close the door on a potential opportunity to change a mongers mind, so he'll give them something. Now that you know that I do pay for my shoes to be shined (when needed) , do you have a better understanding now?
DeepMmpactt
06-21-13, 20:57
Great Stories Wrx2005! Very interesting.Totally agree! My man Wrx2005, always break the case down, and come up with "reasonable opinion" that's always on point! Case close!
I think I tend to keep the info to myself. One of the 48 Laws of Power states one should play a sucker to catch a sucker. The only problem I had, I wasnt playing a sucker. I was a sucker. I guess the chicas was using that Law of Power better than I was? With some, when I finally caught on, I was pretty much at the end of the road with the chica anyway. So no harm no foul. I could chalk that up as a lesson. Not learned, but a lesson. However, another chica I used to mess with a while back, I definitely busted her bubble...Wow, its sounds like you're going through novio WU recovery using the 48 Laws of Power.
Ants were a problem in the kitchen. I bought bug spray from the colmado down the street. Woke up one morning to find a cockroach upside down on the kitchen counter. Thought it was dead, but it was just chillin. I sprayed him / her and then killed it. Later in the week, I killed another one.
Wifi was terrible. Couldn't get a signal in the bedroom. Signal was weak in the living room. The best signal was when I opened the balcony door. Better if I sat outside on the balcony. Satellite TV was erratic in the day, and terrible at night. Too much pixelation making the TV utterly useless to enjoy.
IMO the pool was not maintained well enough or often enough to enjoy. I constantly saw debri floating around in it. The pool area and courtyard look very nice.
I would stay at Mary Rose again because of the location and the coziness of the apts and grounds. But I wasnt happy with the Sat TV, wifi or poor phone reception inside the apts. Does my info help?Yes, definitely, thanks. Sounds like a real mixed bag. At that price, you definitely want everything working well. Seems like the bug situation could be minimized with an exterminator. Not having wifi and tv is a pain in the ass for times when you are chilling and trying to enjoy what you are paying for. Bad phone reception is some BS as well.
Yes, definitely, thanks. Sounds like a real mixed bag. At that price, you definitely want everything working well. Seems like the bug situation could be minimized with an exterminator. Not having wifi and tv is a pain in the ass for times when you are chilling and trying to enjoy what you are paying for. Bad phone reception is some BS as well.You can get sachets of powder that are very effective at killing off or driving away the ants. In a tropical climate you will always get the odd cockroach showing up, especially where kitchens are not kept scrupulously clean, dirty dishes washed promptly, etc. Bad wi-fi is a question of not spending enough on sufficient relays to reach all parts of the building. With these not being business hotels, it probably isn't worth the capital outlay to have a top notch installation. People who really do need the Internet will probably purchase their own modems at one of the local cell phone carriers.
Tempoecorto
06-22-13, 01:52
I read through your reports. I have to admit as I went through more of them, I started wondering as to why you would ever want to step in that place. The D. R. Of course I do not know you at all and it is entirely plausible that you are not what I perceive you to be.
You complained incessantly as to how ill-principled the women are, always tricking you with lies or whatever tricks of the trade they use. This also extends to the Shoeshine and other assorted "hangers on". I thought as the saying goes: I would much rather not say anything if I do not have anything good to say at all. On that note, the harangue on gifts. If you want to give, give, if not, do not give but please do not be a bean counter. Bad for the soul!
Your note was rather good on the Mary Rose except the bug part. Of course I understand that bugs can be icky for some but the roaches were here before the human beings and chances are they will still be there after we are gone. Ditto for ants. Speaking of evolutionary biology.
If she is willing to fuck you for $40 dollars. You don't think she is going to fuck the next dude that lands in Sosua next week?Exactly. I know there is a saying in Sosua that "you don't lose your girl, you lose your TURN." Too many guys don't realize this.
The DR has some stars. Some of the websites guys like Jao would post from had the quality, upper echelon of the DR. I've also read guys talking about seeing it at the Malls in SDQ. There are girls that come from good homes and don't hang out in the street late at night or even leave the house alone. There are single females that don't have kids. If a guy wants to find a quality chica that isn't a puta, it can be done.
I'm not saying all putas, cueros or whatever term you want to use are bad people. If you were somewhere where the market was tight, maybe you think about turning a ho into a housewife, but in the DR this isn't necessary. In fact, it is insane. There are too many quality females, and you as a gringo have some leverage if you know how to use it. I never lead with my wallet. Call me crazy, but sex is supposed to be for the mutual benefit of both people. Especially with you guys that like eating puta pussy, tossing puta salads, licking puta toes and all that other stuff.
The DR is a spot where you can always upgrade whatever you have. Unless a chica is coming super correct and doing some out of the ordinary special shit, why try to wifey up? Seven times out of ten, she is going to get fat and lazy over the long haul. Now don't get me wrong, I can do GFE short term for the duration of my stay. But, when I leave town its over. Why do you need my number? The only reason for us to talk is so you can ask me for shit (not saying all but most). I got so much shit going on at home, I don't have time to chat up broke hos looking for a cash cow on the phone or computer.
If she doesn't want to have a good time and get her nutt, why am I even fucking with her ... ho or not? Being sober has enhanced my ability to cut through a lot of the BS because being buzzed or drunk and horny can lead one to do shit he wouldn't do normally. Sometimes this is good, but I've been there and done that. My mind is my biggest sex organ, therefore a chica isn't going to get extra credit from me because my mind allowed me to rent her pussy or mouth so I could butt a nutt. She got her 1,000 pesos, a nutt, and maybe even something to drink.
They give it to Dominicans for a lot less and probably value it more than your gringo dollar can buy. Recognize game for what it is. I don't know how many times I'd be out at the beach or a regular club and see a puta out with her real Dominican BF. I'm cool with that cause I had my turn and kept it movin.
[QUOTE=OldKool; 1436965]I am so informed now. The little kids asking for money are killing my budget. Those quarters really add up. I pay 25 pesos for a shine. It is a bargain. Sorry when a kid 10 years old is trying get some cash to eat or what ever I am down with the kid. To bad your selfish ass was not born in the DR to a poor parents. Shining shoes is better then robbing people. It is an honest attempt to make some cash.
Yeah I'm a selfish ass. By not allowing myself to be hustled by a kid that has money in his pocket but acts like he is flat broke. When I want my shoes shined, I pay for it like everybody else. This aint about making a decent living, so pay attention. If they aint shining my shoes, I'm not obligated to give my money away. Especially when I just seen you pull a wad of money out of your pocket 10 minutes before on another street. Now all of a sudden you are hungry because you saw me? GTFOOH. Of course you wouldn't know this because your judgement is clouded, or you don't understand where I'm coming from. But me and my buddies have observed how some of these kids will approach and greet a guy who they know they can get money from, but they'll ignore giving the same greeting to his friends who arent giving their money away. I don't need no fake ass friendship. If you can't give my friends the same acknowledgement you give me, then I don't need your fake friendship. It's obvious the only reason they go straight for the guy giving them money is because they expect to get more out of him. And thats without working for it. Whats smart about these boys, they never give up. And they never close the door on a potential opportunity to change a mongers mind, so he'll give them something. Now that you know that I do pay for my shoes to be shined (when needed) , do you have a better understanding now?-----Your not selfish --your smart=--Your absolutely right but the saps give the kids money.They sure don't look starving to me.One time this A-hole gave the kid 100 pesos.the waiter at Rumba was furious and rightly so-LIKE HE EXPLAINED-"WHY IS A KID GOING TO TRY TO BETTER HIMSELF IF PEOPLE GIVE HIM $$$ FOR NOTHING.
-Once you give them $$$ they never stop because they know you're a fool.
I'm pretty sure I was hustled by my PP chica. After my April trip and before my May trip she put on an excellent performance acting like her BB cellular phone was giving her problems. She would claim the phone didn't ring. If she answered the phone she would act like she couldn't hear me and then hang up. Claim she didn't receive my texts etc. If I called back she would do it again. Her performance paid off. I decided I would bring her a phone as a gift. Figured we could work that off too. Ironically, when I came in May. She didn't put the BB phone aside, and swap chips. Instead she got a separate chip / number for the new phone. And she ended up carrying around both phones. The whole vacation in May, I saw her use that BB without any problems whatsoever. After a while I realized."You've just been hustled (again) Bumpy"
She also had a small laptop computer. Everytime we Skyped, I could not hear her, but she could hear me. She didn't push the issue, but she made it seem like there was something wrong with the laptop. When I was with her in May, there was nothing wrong with the laptop. It just didn't have an external Mic. All she had to do was plug in a wired headset with a mic on it. Now I can't be sure she didn't know her laptop didn't have an external mic or she was pretending it wasnt a good laptop. I'd rather lean more towards the latter. How many guys who keep in contact with chicas are experiencing the chica complaining about her phone (or some other gadget) not working properly? All so they can get another one, or an upgrade.
Now that I recall. My ex SD chica tried to hustle me for a phone (a 2nd phone ). She showed me on Skype the BB I bought her had a white screen. She said it would cost 2500 pesos to fix it. I told her I will check it out when I see the phone. In the meantime she had her uncles phone to use. The same phone she had before, when I decided to buy her the BB. I really believe she did something to the phone so the display would be blank. And then put it back later afyer the con is done. When it got close to my trip. Something told me to call her number. A dude answered the phone? If she was using her uncles phone, and her phone had no display, why would anybody be answering the display less phone?
Here's where she got sloppy. The very next night when I talked to her on Skype, she wasted no time telling me how her grandfathers house (where she allegedly lives) was burglarized, and her phone was stolen from her BR. Yeah right! Seems she felt she had to do some damage control since whoever answered her phone told her the number that called her. I asked her what else was stolen, and her response was suspect. Then she tells me she is going to cancel the account / number on that phone.
All of this didn't matter because I was phasing her out anyway to replace her with (another barracuda) the PP chica who is 10yrs younger. So this BS made it easier to accomplish.
All in all. The main issue here is how easy it may be to get caught off guard. And find yourself believing a simple situation in front of you is authentic, when it isn't at all. Like I said before, deception with men / mongers is a common way of life for these chicas. My shame doesn't stop there. I bought Blondie a phone too. The next time I saw her, she didn't have the phone. She had the same Alcatel phone from before. I should have learned my lesson from that. But I thought the PP chica was different because I didn't find her working in Sosua. My eyes are open now. No mas. Sigh!-We're all hustled its just a matter of COST! I had a chica once tell me she's going back to her house-I said fine-she was one of my regulars-Next thing I know she's across the street with another guy but don't see me.She stays the night.like I cared-I don't.anyway next night I get two other babes-She calls me tells me she saw me with other girls-I tell her about the day before-She shuts up-
-Its all a game-Concerning the cell phones they all use the tricks-But I usually bring a cheap extra unlocked one with me-if they need a phone they do me my favors and they get it. Great part is if they're tellin' the truth about their phone being broke.YOU KNOW THEY'LL TAKE IT.otherwise if they say its no good enough.they're lying.
Hey all,
The fellas and I have a trip planed 17-23 July. We found Hotel El Colibri.
http://www.colibrisosua.com/
And the site makes the hotel look great. I contacted by phone to find out if it was Chica friendly, unfortunately the language barrier prevented me from receiving a definitive answer. They also charge a non refundable fee for canceling within 30 days of arrival.
Has anyone stayed here or have any information on this place? And how far is it from the clubs. On Google earth it looks pretty close. Appreciate the help fellas.Its a ways away from the main beach and the action on clisante-its down away from the center of town by passions. You'll be taken the motococho's alot especiaLLY THIS TIME OF YEAR
------Next week how about in the next hour? Alot of guys especially from the USA have been so beaten up by the american BITCHES they can't believe this place exists. So naturally when the PROS-which they all are tell them how big their dick is and how wonderful they fuck "OH POPPI, OH POPPI " these guys are HAD.
-I've been with a few "nice" pros and thought about.What if I? But realized-its just business I'm NOT SPECIAL MY DINERO IS-
----------And just remember after the chica leaves you-Its like that great British rock group's album-the thought immediately in her pretty little chica mind-
---------WHO'S NEXT???? --------------
Rebel Monger
06-22-13, 18:38
Just an advice from someone who's been there, done that; don't keep in touch with them at all; for them, when you do, it means that you have nothing back home to keep you busy (can't get pussy in your own backyard) , so you're vulnerable (weak). As men and mongers, we are hunters, don't be a prey for the hyenas.
Once you get to the airport, toss all the putas contact information you have in the trash can, you have nothing to win by calling them anyway. It's OK to send money (cell phones & laptops) when they can send you pussy, the actual thing, not a picture!
When you substitute a puta by a "non-puta", you are getting more of the same. They all will try to get as much as they can get from you while fucking (and supporting with your money) a no good Dominicano. Save your money and use it to explore all the different pussy paradise!
I'm pretty sure I was hustled by my PP chica. After my April trip and before my May trip she put on an excellent performance acting like her BB cellular phone was giving her problems. She would claim the phone didn't ring. If she answered the phone she would act like she couldn't hear me and then hang up. Claim she didn't receive my texts etc. If I called back she would do it again. Her performance paid off. I decided I would bring her a phone as a gift. Figured we could work that off too. Ironically, when I came in May. She didn't put the BB phone aside, and swap chips. Instead she got a separate chip / number for the new phone. And she ended up carrying around both phones. The whole vacation in May, I saw her use that BB without any problems whatsoever. After a while I realized."You've just been hustled (again) Bumpy"
She also had a small laptop computer. Everytime we Skyped, I could not hear her, but she could hear me. She didn't push the issue, but she made it seem like there was something wrong with the laptop. When I was with her in May, there was nothing wrong with the laptop. It just didn't have an external Mic. All she had to do was plug in a wired headset with a mic on it. Now I can't be sure she didn't know her laptop didn't have an external mic or she was pretending it wasnt a good laptop. I'd rather lean more towards the latter. How many guys who keep in contact with chicas are experiencing the chica complaining about her phone (or some other gadget) not working properly? All so they can get another one, or an upgrade.
Now that I recall. My ex SD chica tried to hustle me for a phone (a 2nd phone ). She showed me on Skype the BB I bought her had a white screen. She said it would cost 2500 pesos to fix it. I told her I will check it out when I see the phone. In the meantime she had her uncles phone to use. The same phone she had before, when I decided to buy her the BB. I really believe she did something to the phone so the display would be blank. And then put it back later afyer the con is done. When it got close to my trip. Something told me to call her number. A dude answered the phone? If she was using her uncles phone, and her phone had no display, why would anybody be answering the display less phone?
Here's where she got sloppy. The very next night when I talked to her on Skype, she wasted no time telling me how her grandfathers house (where she allegedly lives) was burglarized, and her phone was stolen from her BR. Yeah right! Seems she felt she had to do some damage control since whoever answered her phone told her the number that called her. I asked her what else was stolen, and her response was suspect. Then she tells me she is going to cancel the account / number on that phone.
All of this didn't matter because I was phasing her out anyway to replace her with (another barracuda) the PP chica who is 10yrs younger. So this BS made it easier to accomplish.
All in all. The main issue here is how easy it may be to get caught off guard. And find yourself believing a simple situation in front of you is authentic, when it isn't at all. Like I said before, deception with men / mongers is a common way of life for these chicas. My shame doesn't stop there. I bought Blondie a phone too. The next time I saw her, she didn't have the phone. She had the same Alcatel phone from before. I should have learned my lesson from that. But I thought the PP chica was different because I didn't find her working in Sosua. My eyes are open now. No mas. Sigh!
[QUOTE=Rebel Monger; 1437361]Just an advice from someone who's been there, done that; don't keep in touch with them at all; for them, when you do, it means that you have nothing back home to keep you busy (can't get pussy in your own backyard) , so you're vulnerable (weak). As men and mongers, we are hunters, don't be a prey for the hyenas.
Thats good advice! I didn't realize the chicas looked at things that way. I don't send any chica money, but they always get around to asking. I guess the game is chess, not checkers eh! LOL!
DeepMmpactt
06-22-13, 20:13
I and 3 in 2 in 1 (cue the music) It's the final countdown. We are Iive and back on the air with "our final episole of season 1, Deep tv, documented myself DeeMmpactt trying to be shady and leaving with a so called, must have puta named "Ana" and paying a ridicoulous price of 3,000 pesos! And getting nothing but a "ride in a SUV truck round trip, from Dlatins to New Gardens then back to New Gardens, this sparked off major conversations throughout, the ISG community (mission accomplish) We learned my " friend" lost $15,000 Us dollars, on a rigged roulette game, and was going to attempted to ask for his money back. (I can just hear the conversation now)"ahhh Mr Manager you game was a scam, I researched on the internet and I want call my dough back, plus a complimentary free water" (kidding) We were surrounded by a group officers, only to have them one by one shake our hands and say hello " (I still think that was a undercover all yall brothers were going to be shook down and locked up" handshake) I appreciate the feedback mostly positive, but candid (mission accomplished) Wrx2005. (Perry Mason of ISG) I enjoyed your Black berry phone story, I appreciate mongers having the " balls to relay past failures so all can learn from the pitfalls.
Incidently, on my " (critter story) I was back in my room at Ng, Sahira (this sexy ass chica Manizales. 911) hooked me up with, only to find out we knew each other from years past" Sahira knocked on my door, I had just, freshly showered and had just gotten dressed plus splashed on my favorite Armani Aqua Di Gio cologne (plug plug.) she walks in and Damn! She had on this tight sexy ass, black dress with the back of the dressed cut out leading all the way down, to the small if her back, but peaking at the beginning of her nice round ass that stuck out, and yes " Orgasmico" she had pretty puta toes and yes I licked the shit out of them freshly showered toes" yes I am a nasty Muh- phucka lmao! Anyways low and behold that " big ass roach" chilling on the side wall by the safe" ohh hell no! It's on now! It was like that big Muy phucka was flipping me off" daring me, to go to get money" I started running (again!) and screaming like a little old ***** (again!) Sahira calmly grabbed one of my size 13 Air Jordan's high topped sneakers, and ooshed" his big ass! I wasn't worried about no." Big ass coachroach" (even though my coward ass was watching it all taken place outside by the pool") hey what can I say "El Caballo Negro don't like no big ass roaches" even in the projects where I can from they wasn't that ig, shit this roach woudve drank a can of raid like some " Old E " 40 oz poured some beer out for his smashed homies then burped. LOL!
Sahira really was my hero now! She started flexing her muscles now. She cleaned up, then we got down and dirty, she started immediately with the power slurping" of the chocolate jackhammer, then she long licked my "two boulders." (my balls) my machinery was now "fully operational" I return the favor "DATY" I forgot how " wet she gets " It started making that "sloshing sound" and she's very loud! I turned her over and (Orgasmico here It goes! I sucked the shit out of them pretty puta toes! LOL! She moaned even louder, I inserted the whole 11 and a half inches, started drilling her ass like an" oil rig" while she just " screamed" I was getting paranoid from the loud noises she was making, it leched a geyser, paid her 1,500 pesos for the amazing session and 500 pesos propina for killing that big ass roach! Lmao!
I read through your reports. I have to admit as I went through more of them, I started wondering as to why you would ever want to step in that place. The D. R. Of course I do not know you at all and it is entirely plausible that you are not what I perceive you to be.
You complained incessantly as to how ill-principled the women are, always tricking you with lies or whatever tricks of the trade they use. This also extends to the Shoeshine and other assorted "hangers on". I thought as the saying goes: I would much rather not say anything if I do not have anything good to say at all. On that note, the harangue on gifts. If you want to give, give, if not, do not give but please do not be a bean counter. Bad for the soul!
Your note was rather good on the Mary Rose except the bug part. Of course I understand that bugs can be icky for some but the roaches were here before the human beings and chances are they will still be there after we are gone. Ditto for ants. Speaking of evolutionary biology.Agreed.
I met a guy recently in an airport lounge who had fallen for a girl of 21 in Santo Domingo. She had visited him each day for a number of days and made passionate love for hours and asked for no money at all, except for 1500 pesos daily for her taxi fare. I gently suggested that maybe the taxi was a bit less than that, but he trusted her and had agreed to send her a bit less than $300 per month for her college fees, and was thinking of getting an apartment to share with her. Poor fool, you say, but on the other hand it is his money, he can well afford this for the cost of an hour or so with a skank from backpage. Com and if it goes badly, he can just cut bait and run.
And yet we saw a report recently here that some guy who had a whole squadron of useless wingmen was conned into blowing more than $12, 000 in a casino game con trick in Sosua that an average ten-year-old would have seen through (if sober). And there is TOTAL SILENCE from the commentariat that is more concerned about shoe shine boys and hookers asking for 3000 pesos for an hour of unsatisfactory sex.
Total sexual pleasure is the one thing that men will pay almost anything for, and while a 1000 peso fuck with a condom may hit the spot for some, that route isn't ideal for those who want more advanced forms of sexual enjoyment. Once a woman has the ability to arouse a man and satisfy him every time, that is a very powerful hold. In many ways it is ideal to be immune to such temptations, like the happily married monogamous person who never gets remotely close to having to deal with divorce, child support, or any of that, but realistically few people will be happy with the 1000 peso fuck as a long term objective.
I read through your reports. I have to admit as I went through more of them, I started wondering as to why you would ever want to step in that place. The D. R. Of course I do not know you at all and it is entirely plausible that you are not what I perceive you to be.
You complained incessantly as to how ill-principled the women are, always tricking you with lies or whatever tricks of the trade they use. This also extends to the Shoeshine and other assorted "hangers on". I thought as the saying goes: I would much rather not say anything if I do not have anything good to say at all. On that note, the harangue on gifts. If you want to give, give, if not, do not give but please do not be a bean counter. Bad for the soul!
Your note was rather good on the Mary Rose except the bug part. Of course I understand that bugs can be icky for some but the roaches were here before the human beings and chances are they will still be there after we are gone. Ditto for ants. Speaking of evolutionary biology.Tempoecorto, suffice it to say. What I appear to be is in the imagination of the beholder. I have no control over what I appear to you or others. And I'm pretty sure I don't appear to be the same thing to everybody in this forum. I can only think in one head. I'm comfortable with that.
Are you sure your assessment is correct? I complained incessantly about how ill-principled the women are, always tricking me with lies or whatever tricks of the trade they use? I don't recall ever saying anything about women being ill-principled. That would come off as a generalization of women in the DR. That appears to be your own interpretation of how you may think I conveyed my thoughts. I don't subscribe to that. I also didn't say anything about ALWAYS being tricked with lies, or whatever tricks of the trade they used. Again thats another distortion.
Now see, this is the problem I have observed on message boards for the longest. People having to rely on others comprehension and interpretation of what they read. And how certain words or statements can be twisted and distorted to come up with a different meaning. And to think I thought I was just providing entertainment and perhaps a source of learning for others by putting myself out there similarly to Deep.
But you, you got something else out of it. To your credit you did say something that was very wise. The fact that you don't know me, and the fact that it is entirely plausible that I am not what I appear to be. But the point again is. What I appear to be to you, may be entirely different for someone else. And someone else may have received what I posted in the spirit it was given. Lets just say, my posts were for those who can relate.
I am open to you posting my statements and show me how you came to the conclusion that my complaints were incessant and that I was talking about women in the DR being ill-principled, and that I was always tricked by women. I would really like to see that. This is almost on the level as OldKool assuming I have a problem with shoeshine boys making a living shining shoes. Does anybody ever ask questions or ask for more feedback before they start assuming wrongly?
When you substitue a puta by a "non-puta", you are getting more of the same. They all will try to get as much as they can get from you while fucking (and supporting with your money) a no good Dominicano.Be careful. Your statement might be taken literally and you'll be accused of saying women in the DR are ill-principled or always tricking you.
SavePros321
06-22-13, 22:59
And yet we saw a report recently here that some guy who had a whole squadron of useless wingmen was conned into blowing more than $12,000 in a casino game con trick in Sosua that an average ten-year-old would have seen through (if sober).Probably one of the most important lines in all of human history:
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
-Thomas Tusser
Tempoecorto
06-22-13, 23:11
Tempoecorto, suffice it to say. What I appear to be is in the imagination of the beholder. I have no control over what I appear to you or others.
Are you sure your assessment is correct?As Socrates stated: " The only thing I know is that I know nothing". This is the reason why I began my note with the disclaimer that I "perceive" you to be one way while you very well may not be. It is certainly not my intention to offend you. I also agree with you that it does not matter how others see you and yes, there are some who can relate to your experiences. I was giving my perspective and I certainly do not want to drag this into a diatribe. I just wondered, given the critique, as to why you would continue to visit the place but I stand corrected, you did find something good in the place. My experience tells me, no place that I know of is "unadulterated bliss".
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Rebel Monger; 1437361]Just an advice from someone who's been there, done that; don't keep in touch with them at all; for them, when you do, it means that you have nothing back home to keep you busy (can't get pussy in your own backyard) , so you're vulnerable (weak). As men and mongers, we are hunters, don't be a prey for the hyenas.
Thats good advice! I didn't realize the chicas looked at things that way. I don't send any chica money, but they always get around to asking. I guess the game is chess, not checkers eh! LOL!You're right. This is chess it aint checkers. I don't think there is anything wrong with staying in touch with chicas you consider a favorita. As long as you aint honoring their requests to send anything, you're good. The advice of not maintaining contact with chics is for those that need it.
Agreed.
I met a guy recently in an airport lounge who had fallen for a girl of 21 in Santo Domingo. She had visited him each day for a number of days and made passionate love for hours and asked for no money at all, except for 1500 pesos daily for her taxi fare. I gently suggested that maybe the taxi was a bit less than that, but he trusted her and had agreed to send her a bit less than $300 per month for her college fees, and was thinking of getting an apartment to share with her. Poor fool, you say, but on the other hand it is his money, he can well afford this for the cost of an hour or so with a skank from backpage. Com and if it goes badly, he can just cut bait and run.
And yet we saw a report recently here that some guy who had a whole squadron of useless wingmen was conned into blowing more than $12, 000 in a casino game con trick in Sosua that an average ten-year-old would have seen through (if sober). And there is TOTAL SILENCE from the commentariat that is more concerned about shoe shine boys and hookers asking for 3000 pesos for an hour of unsatisfactory sex.
Total sexual pleasure is the one thing that men will pay almost anything for, and while a 1000 peso fuck with a condom may hit the spot for some, that route isn't ideal for those who want more advanced forms of sexual enjoyment. Once a woman has the ability to arouse a man and satisfy him every time, that is a very powerful hold. In many ways it is ideal to be immune to such temptations, like the happily married monogamous person who never gets remotely close to having to deal with divorce, child support, or any of that, but realistically few people will be happy with the 1000 peso fuck as a long term objective.I have seen this casino "game" before. Players randomly scooping numbered ping pong balls from a bin with a long pole. The game appears very easy initially and then turns absolutely impossible as players get close to the jackpot. The apparent reason is because numbers on the balls are often not as they appear to the player.
The numbers on the balls are so small and widely spaced that the very quick glimpses of the ball that the dealer gives to the players can make the ball's number appear to be much different. The way the ball is rotated as it is displayed to the player can make the number appear far different than it is. For example, if a '12' ball is a beneficial number for the player to draw; the dealer will show 12 as the player begins working toward the jackpot. However, this doesn't mean the player is actually drawing a 12 ball. They may be drawing a 12 ball or any 'losing number ball' from 120 to 129' or a losing '112' ball. These 'losing' balls are rotated to appear as a '12' ball in the early stages, as they are quickly flashed by the dealer. Few players are going to question the dealer at this point, when they appear to be doing well'. This keeps the interest of the player and encourages them to invest more bets since the jackpot seems easily obtainable.
No winnings are paid until the jackpot is reached, but the sunk cost of bets as the player works toward the jackpot are lost. As the player nears the jackpot, the jackpot grows, but the amount required for each bet also grows. The increasingly attractive jackpot prize distracts players from the actual size of new bets and sunk costs of prior bets. As the player closes in on the jackpot, if a 'losing 120' ball is drawn, it will be shown as the losing '120'.
If you review the odds posted far above the player's head, you will see how very few 'winning' balls are really in the bin. If by chance, the 'winning' 12 ball is drawn at this point, it will be rotated to appear as a 'losing 2' or even claimed to be a 'losing 112' and displayed so quickly that it is not humanly possible for the players to clearly see that it was, in reality, the winning '12 and not '112'. The ball is VERY quickly tossed back into the ball bin and lost in the mix. This scam cycle continues so that the player NEVER reaches the jackpot. The player eventually quits or runs out of funds, at which point all costs of mounting bets to reach that point are lost.
-We're all hustled its just a matter of COST! I had a chica once tell me she's going back to her house-I said fine-she was one of my regulars-Next thing I know she's across the street with another guy but don't see me. She stays the night. Like I cared-I don't. Anyway next night I get two other babes-She calls me tells me she saw me with other girls-I tell her about the day before-She shuts up-
-Its all a game-Concerning the cell phones they all use the tricks-But I usually bring a cheap extra unlocked one with me-if they need a phone they do me my favors and they get it. Great part is if they're tellin' the truth about their phone being broke. YOU KNOW THEY'LL TAKE IT. Otherwise if they say its no good enough. They're lying."Were all hustled it's just a matter of COST" Lets see what the posting police here has to say about that? They (posting police) monitor what you post and what you don't post. They know what your thinking and more concerned of, and what you arent.
All jokes aside. I hear ya. Thats kinda what I alluded to earlier. How enough of these chicas have a double standard when it comes to the shit they do vs the guys they're fucking. And like you, many of us don't really care about them getting that money We know were sharing. Sharing aint the issue.
For instance. My blonde chica made the mistake of joining me to another dude in a conversation on the internet. So the dude pops up on my screen. I clicked off. But later I jokingly told her about what she did. And she shoots back at me that I'm not her novio or esposa. And telling me she has friends and such and such. I told her to slow her roll, I don't give shit about that, I'm just telling you that you made a mistake. Then she started accusing me of being jealous. Of course I wasnt, but that is the excuse she used to deflect the issue from what she was doing. 3 weeks later we were fucking like rabbits as usual.
Your not selfish.your smart=-Your absolutely right but the saps give the kids money. They sure don't look starving to me. One time this A-hole gave the kid 100 pesos. The waiter at Rumba was furious and rightly so-LIKE HE EXPLAINED-"WHY IS A KID GOING TO TRY TO BETTER HIMSELF IF PEOPLE GIVE HIM $$$ FOR NOTHING.
-Once you give them $$$ they never stop because they know you're a fool.Exactly Zedman. But I have seen kids get much more than 100 pesos. That is exactly what I tried to explain to my wing and travel partner. If you keep giving them money (without them earning it) , sooner or later they are going to see panhandling as an occupation. Sosua has enough adult panhandlers already. My wing still doesn't get it. He thinks giving kids money is helping, instead of encouraging dependence on handouts and failing to strive for more in life.
So what are poor kid going to do. There is no job or opportunity for poor children. That is why we are fucking their mothers and sisters. Need food on the table so kid get your college degree and you can make 10 k pesos a month. If giving a poor kid $2. 50 makes me a bad person sign me up. The kid may buy food or something else they need. Most hustlers try to provide a service. Shining shoes selling CDs. I can afford to be generous. I was poor when I was growing up.
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Exactly Zedman. But I have seen kids get much more than 100 pesos. That is exactly what I tried to explain to my wing and travel partner. If you keep giving them money (without them earning it) , sooner or later they are going to see panhandling as an occupation. Sosua has enough adult panhandlers already. My wing still doesn't get it. He thinks giving kids money is helping, instead of encouraging dependence on handouts and failing to strive for more in life.
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 04:16
Exactly Zedman. But I have seen kids get much more than 100 pesos. That is exactly what I tried to explain to my wing and travel partner. If you keep giving them money (without them earning it) , sooner or later they are going to see panhandling as an occupation. Sosua has enough adult panhandlers already. My wing still doesn't get it. He thinks giving kids money is helping, instead of encouraging dependence on handouts and failing to strive for more in life.What do we care? We are vacationers and want to be seen as the nice guy while we are there.
I know I can't save the world. When I went to India and seen all those poor people there I said you can give all you want to, but you are not going to make a dent in poverty. That shit is here to stay. It was just like Slumdog Millionaire but worse! Giving only makes you feel good about yourself. We were just some of the lucky ones who didn't have to be born into it or were lucky enough to be able to get out of it. But a peso here or a dollar there is not going to do a gd thing about the situation / circumstance / issue. As for me, I already have one child to support and I'm not trying to feed any that I didn't make. That is their parents' job. They didn't starve before I arrived on the scene and I doubt they will go hungry after I leave. I do take money to the orphanage a couple of times a year (to me that is different than a parent sending their kid out to get money or begging while carrying their kids), but I don't do handouts on the street.
When I took my mom and aunts to Thailand they wondered why the little kids were out begging and not in school. I started laughing and told them that we were not in the USA anymore. Eating was their first priority. Anything else had to go on the back burner.
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
What do we care? We are vacationers and want to be seen as the nice guy while we are there.
I know I can't save the world. When I went to India and seen all those poor people there I said you can give all you want to, but you are not going to make a dent in poverty. That shit is here to stay. It was just like Slumdog Millionaire but worse! Giving only makes you feel good about yourself. We were just some of the lucky ones who didn't have to be born into it or were lucky enough to be able to get out of it. But a peso here or a dollar there is not going to do a gd thing about the situation / circumstance / issue. As for me, I already have one child to support and I'm not trying to feed any that I didn't make. That is their parents' job. They didn't starve before I arrived on the scene and I doubt they will go hungry after I leave. I do take money to the orphanage a couple of times a year (to me that is different than a parent sending their kid out to get money or begging while carrying their kids) , but I don't do handouts on the street.
When I took my mom and aunts to Thailand they wondered why the little kids were out begging and not in school. I started laughing and told them that we were not in the USA anymore. Eating was their first priority. Anything else had to go on the back burner.More or less agree. A few years ago there was a shoe shine kid in Sosua called Roberto, who was about 15. Roberto was epileptic and he would hustle for shoe shine money in the morning to earn enough to pay for his medication and go to school on the afternoon shift. If he didn't get the seizure medication, he would have more seizures which could ultimately lead to further brain damage. It didn't seem likely that refusing to give him anything would teach him a lesson, on the other hand it was unlikely that making donations would make any significant improvement to his plight. I sometimes wonder what happened to him.
1). The majority of us hadn't made it, to the casino, and had absolutely " no idea" what our friend was doing. 2) Sir Francis when I did get notified (way after the fact) he said he was 10, 500 in the hole 3) when I went to open my mouth to utter are you (F-ing) nutts, my friend stopped me, looked me "straight in the eyes, and told me " he didn't want to hear it! At least not right now, and too " support" him, he even handed me the "red balls" to throw for him, but I in good conscience couldn't share in his heavy loss! Was I suppose to do taze my friend Sir Frannie, and drag. Him away, he's a " grown adult"If he was at the point of offering a chica 5, 000 pesos for an hour, his friends would probably have dragged him away.
It wasn't a "loss", it was a criminal scam. Bit of a difference.
My novia that speaks perfect english, tells my friend he should stop now and he's being an "idiota"Seems like she was the only one there who had any sense. She is a keeper.
incidently (Frannie it was $15,000 not $12,000) maybe read it a little closer.I reread your original post and still can't find where you mentioned $15, 000. In any case he had lost $10, 500 when his friends arrived on the scene and managed to lose a further $4, 500 before he came to his senses, gave up, or listened to rational advice. This must have taken quite a while as he would have had to make several trips to the office to get his credit card issuers to authorize the payments.
Anyway, it is very sad that this happened, but it puts into perspective concerns about overpaying chicas for sex.
As Socrates stated: " The only thing I know is that I know nothing". This is the reason why I began my note with the disclaimer that I "perceive" you to be one way while you very well may not be. It is certainly not my intention to offend you. I also agree with you that it does not matter how others see you and yes, there are some who can relate to your experiences. I was giving my perspective and I certainly do not want to drag this into a diatribe. I just wondered, given the critique, as to why you would continue to visit the place but I stand corrected, you did find something good in the place. My experience tells me, no place that I know of is "unadulterated bliss".
Thanks.Thats just it, you don't need to post disclaimers if you do one simple thing. Ask for more feedback or ask direct questions to what you are wondering. But for you to come up with this whole re invention of what I didn't say, and assign it to me, that is what needs to be addressed moreso than what I actually said. At that point, what I conveyed and what you understood, they didn't match. Thats why I asked you to post where I conveyed my thoughts the way you described.
IMO, some people are very sincere when it comes to offering disclaimers. But too often people who throw out disclaimers, they do so because they want to make a judgement about a person, and avoid any backlash. Nobody can pin them down, because they don't take ownership. A clue to their intent, is whether or not they engage you in trying to seek feedback to make sure they understood you. And since I did not see any attempt from you to directly engage me in understanding my POV. Your intent is suspect. And you reinforced your intent when you commented about what I said I observed of ants and roaches in the hotel. And the following comment in the same post.
""""" I thought as the saying goes: I would much rather not say anything if I do not have anything good to say at all. On that note, the harangue on gifts. If you want to give, give, if not, do not give but please do not be a bean counter. Bad for the soul!""""
""""Your note was rather good on the Mary Rose except the bug part. Of course I understand that bugs can be icky for some but the roaches were here before the human beings and chances are they will still be there after we are gone. Ditto for ants.""""
Except the bug part? Eh? I know that ants and roaches have been here. I didn't need you to offer that piece of information. Why was that comment even necessary? Now if someone reporting conditions good or bad of what they observed or experienced is a bone of contention for you, then I don't know what to tell you. This just might be something you are just going to have to live with. And be advised, I plan on sharing info like this with other members again in the future.
At what point did you decide I dont have anything good to say, or that I operate like a bean counter. I need you to tell me....if I want to give, give, and if not, do not give??? C,mon man.........if you dont mean to offend or judge, you sure have an odd way of going about it. LOL
Fellas, it's real easy to avoid be conned by these women. Don't listen to them. They all have bullshit stories for days. Ignore it. Don't give your real # or email to them. Stop giving them money other than for services provided. Stop acting like you have a girlfriend. YOU DON'T.
So what are poor kid going to do. There is no job or opportunity for poor children. That is why we are fucking their mothers and sisters. Need food on the table so kid get your college degree and you can make 10 k pesos a month. If giving a poor kid $2. 50 makes me a bad person sign me up. The kid may buy food or something else they need. Most hustlers try to provide a service. Shining shoes selling CDs. I can afford to be generous. I was poor when I was growing up.
0.Look the point is I've been going to the DR for some time now-Why is it I see YOUNG boys and Girls working hard selling fruits, vegetables, trinkets, boiled eggs, Johnny cakes etc, everyday to make $$$$ never have I been asked by one of them for a freakin' peso if I don't want to buy their goods.
The shoeshine kids sometimes don't even bother to ask if you want a shoeshine-they just ask for $$$$-they could care less about shinning your shoes-Not saying your a bad person their "huslters" period-If they tell you their hungry go Buy them food-real simple-
On Doctor Rosen across from metro is ADA's for 50 peso's she's got a sandwich as big as the kids.
When you give them money for nothing-What motivation is there to ever try to work for it?
So what are poor kid going to do. There is no job or opportunity for poor children. That is why we are fucking their mothers and sisters. Need food on the table so kid get your college degree and you can make 10 k pesos a month. If giving a poor kid $2. 50 makes me a bad person sign me up. The kid may buy food or something else they need. Most hustlers try to provide a service. Shining shoes selling CDs. I can afford to be generous. I was poor when I was growing up.
0.Your "poor kid" shame tactic is weak, O K. The kids I see don't appear poor to me. Most look clean cut, have decent clean clothes on, and most have a neat haircut. Their job is to go to school, do their homework, and play with their friends. And when I see a kid with a wad of cash, in one moment, and then begging he's hungry the next. I know it's a hustle, and not a fact. So don't give me that crap about them being poor. And you can kill that noise as well, that they don't have any opportunity. When I was a kid, going to school was my job and my opportunity. We were also taught not to take things from strangers. So what you are saying is, these kids don't have the opportunity of being reinforced in their home training.
BTW, I could care less what you do with your $2. 50. I'm not judging you. Make a western union account and send each of them some money every week, I don't give a shit. But you start getting personal in a negative way, then we are going to have a problem. In the future, just state your opinion, no need to make it antagonistic.
Fellas, it's real easy to avoid be conned by these women. Don't listen to them. They all have bullshit stories for days. Ignore it. Don't give your real # or email to them. Stop giving them money other than for services provided. Stop acting like you have a girlfriend. YOU DON'T.But I listen to them then pick apart their bullshit-
-Oh my baby's sick.he needs special medicine.it's expensive-I just say Donde Padre? Me no Padre-or No me problema. Or Toda chicas en toda Mondo mucho problemos-Lo siento .Spanish spelling might be wrong but you get the gist of it.
Watch them all the time see if they are eyeing or touching your stuff-if they do get rid of them ASAP.
Once a chica knows you don't fall for the bullshit she'll either be satisfied and become a repeat for a while anyway or try to find a sucker somewhere ,planes are landing everyday
Your also right concerning the guys who think the girl is theirs it makes me laugh. And the way they play the race card is great-They tell the white guys they hate black guys and vice versa-And these guys buy it-Fucin' Hilarious-Fool's these chica's colorblind.How to get the most $$$$ is their only goal-JUST UNDERSTAND THAT AND YOU'LL BE FINE.
Look the point is I've been going to the DR for some time now-Why is it I see YOUNG boys and Girls working hard selling fruits, vegetables, trinkets, boiled eggs, Johnny cakes etc, everyday to make $$$$ never have I been asked by one of them for a freakin' peso if I don't want to buy their goods.
The shoeshine kids sometimes don't even bother to ask if you want a shoeshine-they just ask for $$$$-they could care less about shinning your shoes-Not saying your a bad person their "huslters" period-If they tell you their hungry go Buy them food-real simple-
On Doctor Rosen across from metro is ADA's for 50 peso's she's got a sandwich as big as the kids.
When you give them money for nothing-What motivation is there to ever try to work for it?Well said!
Look the point is I've been going to the DR for some time now-Why is it I see YOUNG boys and Girls working hard selling fruits, vegetables, trinkets, boiled eggs, Johnny cakes etc, everyday to make $$$$ never have I been asked by one of them for a freakin' peso if I don't want to buy their goods.
The shoeshine kids sometimes don't even bother to ask if you want a shoeshine-they just ask for $$$$-they could care less about shinning your shoes-Not saying your a bad person their "huslters" period-If they tell you their hungry go Buy them food-real simple-
On Doctor Rosen across from metro is ADA's for 50 peso's she's got a sandwich as big as the kids.
When you give them money for nothing-What motivation is there to ever try to work for it?The problem with the shoe shine boys is that they are in a dieing industry, because so many people these days don't wear leather shoes that can be polished. I have found that they do a good job of shining shoes when given a chance.
And who says that begging is not a job?
I refer you to the extraordinary case of The Man With The Twisted Lip:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=DoyTwis.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=1&division=div1
Synopsis for those who are short of time:
Mr. Neville St. Clair, a respectable and punctual country businessman, has disappeared. Making the matter even more mysterious is that Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that she saw her husband at a second-floor window of the opium den, in Upper Swandam Lane, a rather rough part of town near the docks. He withdrew into the window immediately, and Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that there was something very wrong.
Naturally, she tries to enter the building, but her way was blocked by the opium den's owner. She quickly fetches the police, but they cannot find Mr. St. Clair. The room, in whose window she saw her husband, is that of a dirty, disfigured beggar, well known to the police, by the name of Hugh Boone. The police are about to put this report down as a mistake of some kind when Mrs. St. Clair spots and identifies a box of wooden bricks that her husband said he would buy for their son. A further search turns up some of her husband's clothes. Later, his coat, with the pockets full of several pounds' worth of pennies and halfpennies, is found in the Thames just below the building.
The beggar is arrested and locked up at the police station, and Holmes initially is quite convinced that Mr. St. Clair has been the unfortunate victim of murder. However, several days after Mr. St. Clair's disappearance, his wife receives a letter in his own writing. The arrival of this letter forces Holmes to reconsider his conclusions, leading him eventually to an extraordinary solution. Taking a bath sponge to the police station in a Gladstone bag, Holmes washes Boone's still-dirty face, causing his face to be revealed — the face of Neville St. Clair! Upon Mr. St. Clair's immediate confession, this solves the mystery, and also creates a few problems.
It seems that Mr. St. Clair has been leading a double life, one of respectability, and the other as a beggar. In his youth, he had been an actor before becoming a newspaper reporter. In order to research an article, he had disguised himself as a beggar for a short time, during which he earned a very large amount of money. Later in his life, he returned to the street to beg for several days in order to pay a large debt. Given a choice between his newspaper salary and his high beggar earnings, he eventually became a professional beggar. His takings were large enough that he was able to establish himself as a country gentleman, marry well, and begin a respectable family. His wife never knew what he did for a living,
But I listen to them then pick apart their bullshit-
-Oh my baby's sick. He needs special medicine. It's expensive-I just say Donde Padre? Me no Padre-or No me problema. Or Toda chicas en toda Mondo mucho problemos-Lo siento. Spanish spelling might be wrong but you get the gist of it.
Watch them all the time see if they are eyeing or touching your stuff-if they do get rid of them ASAP.
Once a chica knows you don't fall for the bullshit she'll either be satisfied and become a repeat for a while anyway or try to find a sucker somewhere, planes are landing everyday.
Your also right concerning the guys who think the girl is theirs it makes me laugh. And the way they play the race card is great-They tell the white guys they hate black guys and vice versa-And these guys buy it-Fucin' Hilarious-Fool's these chica's colorblind. How to get the most $$$$ is their only goal-JUST UNDERSTAND THAT AND YOU'LL BE FINE.Like you, I like to pick apart the BS too. Another tactic is to claim they hate dominican men. And you are supposed to deduce that is why she is with you. Meanwhile her having kids by dominican men tell a different story.
And who says that begging is not a job?I give up, who?
But I listen to them then pick apart their bullshit-
-Oh my baby's sick. He needs special medicine. It's expensive-Actually medicines are pretty expensive in the DR and kids always need something for "grippe" or amoeba infections, not to mention vitamins, etc. Feeding formula is also expensive. A large tin of Nan or Nido is about 800 pesos (20 dollars) in the Playero, (about 730 pesos in La Sirena) and lasts about a week.
I just say Donde Padre? Me no Padre-or No me problema. Or Toda chicas en toda Mondo mucho problemos-Lo siento .Yes, it is difficult to appropriately handle issues that you have no power to deal with, but remember that "deadbeat dads" also exist in the United States or whatever country you come from and often the mothers will receive government help with food, lodging, etc. Have you heard of Medicaid or the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) also known as "food stamps?"
In the DR women cannot turn to these programs and rely more on selling sexual services to tourists. If this does not succeed they may ask for money, which in turn is better than stealing.
Would we support a sharp increase, say double, in the tourist cards and departure taxes to support Dominican children with food and medicines and give them a bit more parity with first world children?
Asking Donde Padre probably won't really help, because the mother may have been abandoned by the father of the child, or he may be a married man or a deadbeat, or may have several children and little income. If it was as simple as calling him on his cell phone for money, she would probably have done that already.
I give up, who?Read the whole post!
Yeah Wrx 2005, your damned right, I guess these " stain less" steel no fault perfect mongers, just sit behind their keyboards and wait for "red meat" like piranhas, to jump in and "blast you" yeah kind of like sir Frances (Frannies) useless wingmen comment, I will thread lightly on this response I don't want no " arguementative infraction" so I'll post factual points 1). The majority of us hadn't made it, to the casino, and had absolutely " no idea" what our friend was doing. 2) Sir Francis when I did get notified (way after the fact) he said he was 10, 500 in the hole 3) when I went to open my mouth to utter are you (F-ing) nutts, my friend stopped me, looked me "straight in the eyes, and told me " he didn't want to hear it! At least not right now, and too " support" him, he even handed me the "red balls" to throw for him, but I in good conscience couldn't share in his heavy loss! Was I suppose to do taze my friend Sir Frannie, and drag. Him away, he's a " grown adult" My one friend told me, he suggested my friend play the game, but didn't expect our " friend" to get obsessed with the winning potential" my friend made it "clear" he was going to spend as much as $50, 000 grand Us dollars, to try and win (thankfully he stopped) incidently (Frannie it was $15, 000 not $12, 000) maybe read it a little closer.
And Savepro321 your right "A fool and his money always part" so now I give the beating patrol back to you " Barney Fire posting police" so break out the patons. I mean your keyboards. I know you 100% do no wrong perfect mongers are stainless steel, with bleached white 3 piece suits on, and white hat and white shoes to match. It's all your baby! You guys are perfect " that's why you monger" cause the normal world can't take your perfectness! LOL!I'm paying attention.
Read the whole post!I read the whole post. How is that example relevant to the SPECIFICS that were discussing in regards to the kids who are hustling gringos?
Good recognition of game, Zedman99. Not that the DR doesn't have its inherent prejudices, but a puta's goal is to get your money and she will tell you what you want to hear to get that cash and maybe more. I can't blame guys for feeding into the BS about how special (aye papi, your dick is so big, etc.) they are because there is a certain role reversal in Sosua.
As men we are used to being the aggressor and using our years of experiences to lie, tell bitches what they want to hear, and run game. In Sosua, its the opposite. The putas are the aggressors running game that has been perfected through hundreds of encounters with guys from every corner of the earth fucking them for money. Now you even got Sosua mongers peacocking in Sosua with white suits, ect. For putas.
I don't go on vacation for other people's enjoyment or to solve their problems, however, I do think it is a good idea to help others when people have the means and desire. To this end, there are several charities that are available for those that want to help kids in and around Sosua. Interested people can do their own research about these and other organizations: http://www.sosuatoday.com/charities/
Actually medicines are pretty expensive in the DR and kids always need something for "grippe" or amoeba infections, not to mention vitamins, etc. Feeding formula is also expensive. A large tin of Nan or Nido is about 800 pesos (20 dollars) in the Playero, (about 730 pesos in La Sirena) and lasts about a week.
Yes, it is difficult to appropriately handle issues that you have no power to deal with, but remember that "deadbeat dads" also exist in the United States or whatever country you come from and often the mothers will receive government help with food, lodging, etc. Have you heard of Medicaid or the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) also known as "food stamps?"
In the DR women cannot turn to these programs and rely more on selling sexual services to tourists. If this does not succeed they may ask for money, which in turn is better than stealing.
Would we support a sharp increase, say double, in the tourist cards and departure taxes to support Dominican children with food and medicines and give them a bit more parity with first world children?
Asking Donde Padre probably won't really help, because the mother may have been abandoned by the father of the child, or he may be a married man or a deadbeat, or may have several children and little income. If it was as simple as calling him on his cell phone for money, she would probably have done that already.I don't think Zedman's issue is whether or not kids or mothers need medicine at some point, or ignoring the cost being expensive. What he is addressing is an entirely differnt issue where the chica is most likely lying about her children being sick or needing medicine right in that moment. Thats two different issues. And I'm relatively certain he was talking about chicas lying in general, and only used thew baby sick as one example. Because it is quite commonly used by many chicas.
I can't blame guys for feeding into the BS about how special (aye papi, your dick is so big, etc.) they are because there is a certain role reversal in Sosua.
As men we are used to being the aggressor and using our years of experiences to lie, tell bitches what they want to hear, and run game. In Sosua, its the opposite. The putas are the aggressors running game that has been perfected through hundreds of encounters with guys from every corner of the earth fucking them for money.Thats an interesting perspective. That is on the lines of what I said earlier about the bad position or slight disadvantage mongers are in dealing with these chicas. Of course a significant advantage they have is with the corruption with law enforcement, and the general dominican support system in place.
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Any monger who is at a disadvantage is either ignorant or weak. The girls are as different as the mongers. Some are seasoned pros others are fresh off the bus. There is no standard chica in Sosua. They come from different cities and backgrounds Just like us. It is a buyers market. Way more girls then guys. They want our money and will do their best to earn it. I have had very few problems with Girls in Sosua. I see a paranoid view from some guys here. Guys who do dumb shit sometimes get into trouble. We pick the girls and determine what we pay. The girls are at our mercy and know it. If you are picking the mafiosa chica then that is your own doing.
Thats an interesting perspective. That is on the lines of what I said earlier about the bad position or slight disadvantage mongers are in dealing with these chicas. Of course a significant advantage they have is with the corruption with law enforcement, and the general dominican support system in place.
I have been in homes of local working people. THey buy food for one day at a time. They are in a state of constant need. The girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. Often they live with extended family. They never know if they will have food. The putas are from this enviroment in most cases. When they leave the home it makes it easier for the rest of the family. They send money to the family to support the children they most often have. I have compassion for them. Why don't they get a job? LOL The jobs are hard to fine and offer very low pay. Every peso is precious. DR folk work harder for less then any place I have been. If you take the time to look. People selling fruit making 2 dollars a day working 10 hours. We can not save the world but I if I can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable I am all for it. I am not falling in love with anyone but I choose to be kind and generous when possible. So far Karma has been great for me.
I don't think Zedman's issue is whether or not kids or mothers need medicine at some point, or ignoring the cost being expensive. What he is addressing is an entirely differnt issue where the chica is most likely lying about her children being sick or needing medicine right in that moment. Thats two different issues. And I'm relatively certain he was talking about chicas lying in general, and only used thew baby sick as one example. Because it is quite commonly used by many chicas.
I don't think Zedman's issue is whether or not kids or mothers need medicine at some point, or ignoring the cost being expensive. What he is addressing is an entirely differnt issue where the chica is most likely lying about her children being sick or needing medicine right in that moment. Thats two different issues. And I'm relatively certain he was talking about chicas lying in general, and only used thew baby sick as one example. Because it is quite commonly used by many chicas.It is extremely common for children to be sick, so almost impossible to know if it is true or not. However it is inevitable that if mongers are trying to low-ball chicas for sex, they will try to keep the customer but get some additional money for taxis, sick children, or whatever it is.
This is far from unknown with US businesses. How often have you been casually asked if you want the worthless" extended warranty with that"? Or you download free games for children from the iStore that (you later find out) have expensive add-ons that children will want.
Or for example if you buy a used car, you may agree on a price of $3, 000. However you are now told that there is a "dealer fee" of $500 (for nothing) and a fee of $300 for processing the registration paperwork, plus $200 sales tax, so really you will have to pay $4, 000 by the time you write the check. Or look how iPhones are marketed without making it clear to the consumer how much the phone actually costs, because the price is buried in subsidies and monthly payments that conceal the actual price of the phone.
The chicas are just adapting tried and tested business techniques of offering a low initial cost to hook the customer, and then trying to add on some extras to get to the true price that allows for some profit. They should be applauded for their business school acumen, but as seasoned consumers of sexual services, we should determine how much we want to pay and how much extra we might give for superior service without getting our knickers in a twist about the morality of it all.
I recently paid a delightful young chica 1000 pesos for an encounter and when it came to time to pay up, she asked if I wouldn't give her an additional propina. I fished out a 200 peso bill and she was delighted. Since I plan to see her again I am sure that she will be pulling out all the stops to gratify my kinks, so I think the 200 pesos was well spent.
Negotiation is all part of the game and is best undertaken in a friendly spirit. In the end you will only pay what you want to spend, unless you are like the poor dope in the casino who was robbed of $15, 000 due to his own greed and ignorance.
i have been in homes of local working people. they buy food for one day at a time. they are in a state of constant need. the girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. often they live with extended family. they never know if they will have food. the putas are from this enviroment in most cases. when they leave the home it makes it easier for the rest of the family. they send money to the family to support the children they most often have. i have compassion for them. why don't they get a job? lol the jobs are hard to fine and offer very low pay. every peso is precious. dr folk work harder for less then any place i have been. if you take the time to look. people selling fruit making 2 dollars a day working 10 hours. we can not save the world but i if i can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable i am all for it. i am not falling in love with anyone but i choose to be kind and generous when possible. so far karma has been great for me.i see the same thing. it is easier to say "my baby is sick" than to explain that the electricity has been cut off at home, the sister's baby has no [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131), grandmother needs blood pressure medication or she will die, and that they are running a fan off an old car battery so they can try to get some sleep for a few hours at night, and that they owe 2000 pesos to the local colmado for food bought on tick (credit).
I see a paranoid view from some guys here.What! Us paranoid? No, man, them chicas are all out to get us. At least we be safe in the casino.
thats an interesting perspective.they may not have isg, but the chicas have their own network to bring each other up to speed on the dos and don'ts. they don't need isg because your 1 week or 2 week vacation is a way of life for them. they are doing this 24/7, face to face or face to cock. when you leave, they can run the innocent or hardcore game or whatever works on the next jetblue flight. they learn something from each gringo encounter. the info gets passed along since they often live in the same building, apartment, room; at breakfast, or maybe even at the weave and nail salon.
you are back at this office typing memos for the next 3 months while the chicas you met could be getting multiple dicks a day in them from all around the globe. who cares? i don't, lol. the only thing you know is, you are typing memos and reading individual trip reports and planning for your next 1 week get away. meanwhile, she is drinking and fucking, maybe even running the wu game on some kindler gentile mongers.
go by the internet cafes in sosua, charamicos, cabarete, etc. and take a peek inside next time you are around and see if you see any. i have to laugh sometimes when i walk up on them and see the guy on skype talking with them, and they are professing their love to him and no other guys, lol.
many of these girls start fucking at 14 so they might also be tricking in other parts of the dr. in fact, it's not uncommon to be somewhere like boca chica and have a girl say she remembers you from sosua, not saying you fucked her but she remembers seeing you.
all this being said, you can still meet some cool chicas in and around sosua. but, recognize game for what it is.
just because you ain't got shit going on in your life but a square gig doesn't mean she doesn't. if she looks good, dudes are going to be on her. we all have different tastes and there are more chicas in sosua than dudes, but you know when a star walks up in the place. when i say star, i mean a chica that has the attributes to attract most men, even the pickiest amongst us. the rare dime pieces even amongst the dominican puta beauty standard. if you don't send her money, she gotta get it from somewhere, especially when dudes are throwing it at her.
if you are not in the dr full time, it might be hard to have a real gf. the danger for some of these mongers that want gfe on trips is becoming codependent on a puta because you spend so much time with her. the more time you spend, the more time you have to hear about her problems and get emotionally wrapped up in her problems and the gfe or captain save a hoe fantasy. that is the kind of shit that can make you more vulnerable to puta game.
btw, whoever made the comment about the baileys waitress game of looking for a rich gringo had me laughing because i know some sea horse ranch type dudes that have dated a couple of them, lol.
Tempoecorto
06-23-13, 18:38
We can not save the world but I if I can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable I am all for it. I am not falling in love with anyone but I choose to be kind and generous when possible. So far Karma has been great for me.I like your attitude; Karma is a good word even for this jaded Indian. There is every case to be made for kindness, even if we cannot save the world, if we can afford it. I have known people who I have not even met and have tried to help remotely. Not that it is the mode for all but. Whining?
I have wondered about this: is it possible that the older folks are more aware of the injustices of the world and hence kinder?
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 18:48
The problem with the shoe shine boys is that they are in a dieing industry, because so many people these days don't wear leather shoes that can be polished.And when has that ever stopped them? I've had mfs offer to shine the flip flops I was wearing. No joke.
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 18:50
Like you, I like to pick apart the BS too. Another tactic is to claim they hate dominican men. And you are supposed to deduce that is why she is with you. Meanwhile her having kids by dominican men tell a different story.That's because Dominicanos beat their women and they aren't nice to them.
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 18:58
As men we are used to being the aggressor and using our years of experiences to lie, tell bitches what they want to hear, and run game. In Sosua, its the opposite. The putas are the aggressors running game that has been perfected through hundreds of encounters with guys from every corner of the earth fucking them for money.Exactly. So why is it so hard for game to recognize game in these cases?
Now you even got Sosua mongers peacocking in Sosua with white suits, ect. For putas.Now that is hilarious. In competition to get the best chica to whom to give their money.
I have been in homes of local working people. THey buy food for one day at a time. They are in a state of constant need. The girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. Often they live with extended family. They never know if they will have food...Every peso is precious. Come on man. In most countries on this planet the people buy food one day at a time. For 1, they want it fresh. For 2, they don't have storehouses in their homes as we do in the USA. There isn't room for all of that. Like my place in Thailand, I don't have room for a bunch of shit. So I eat out everyday. It's cheaper anyway. But again, I have never seen a Dominican who even looked remotely as if they were starving. So where does this "They never know if they will have food" stuff come from? Too many Sally Struthers commercials. If every peso was that precious you would never find them with a Presidente Light in hand. I remember riding through a neighborhood in Puerto Plata with Gogo and he made a comment about the Dominican guys and kids just hanging on the corner and not doing shit with themselves. As many times as I have seen that same scenario, I have never once seen them with a worried look on their faces about how they would get their next meal.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150037/sally-struthers
http://www.hulu.com/watch/5062
Tempoecorto
06-23-13, 20:04
That's because Dominicanos beat their women and they aren't nice to them.Of course men beat women all over (and in some places get jailed for that and in others, not). The point made by WRX is still valid: That it is a dumb excuse. These women see beating all around them, grow up with that and screw the first male when they are ready, who is typically a local and when they are abused themselves, discover religion. In their defense, Domenicans are all they see when they come of age. Not the non-beaters and non-abusers from other lands, in most cases.
The problem with the shoe shine boys is that they are in a dieing industry, because so many people these days don't wear leather shoes that can be polished. I have found that they do a good job of shining shoes when given a chance.
And who says that begging is not a job?
I refer you to the extraordinary case of The Man With The Twisted Lip:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=DoyTwis.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=1&division=div1
Synopsis for those who are short of time:
Mr. Neville St. Clair, a respectable and punctual country businessman, has disappeared. Making the matter even more mysterious is that Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that she saw her husband at a second-floor window of the opium den, in Upper Swandam Lane, a rather rough part of town near the docks. He withdrew into the window immediately, and Mrs. St. Clair is quite sure that there was something very wrong.
Naturally, she tries to enter the building, but her way was blocked by the opium den's owner. She quickly fetches the police, but they cannot find Mr. St. Clair. The room, in whose window she saw her husband, is that of a dirty, disfigured beggar, well known to the police, by the name of Hugh Boone. The police are about to put this report down as a mistake of some kind when Mrs. St. Clair spots and identifies a box of wooden bricks that her husband said he would buy for their son. A further search turns up some of her husband's clothes. Later, his coat, with the pockets full of several pounds' worth of pennies and halfpennies, is found in the Thames just below the building.
The beggar is arrested and locked up at the police station, and Holmes initially is quite convinced that Mr. St. Clair has been the unfortunate victim of murder. However, several days after Mr. St. Clair's disappearance, his wife receives a letter in his own writing. The arrival of this letter forces Holmes to reconsider his conclusions, leading him eventually to an extraordinary solution. Taking a bath sponge to the police station in a Gladstone bag, Holmes washes Boone's still-dirty face, causing his face to be revealed — the face of Neville St. Clair! Upon Mr. St. Clair's immediate confession, this solves the mystery, and also creates a few problems.
It seems that Mr. St. Clair has been leading a double life, one of respectability, and the other as a beggar. In his youth, he had been an actor before becoming a newspaper reporter. In order to research an article, he had disguised himself as a beggar for a short time, during which he earned a very large amount of money. Later in his life, he returned to the street to beg for several days in order to pay a large debt. Given a choice between his newspaper salary and his high beggar earnings, he eventually became a professional beggar. His takings were large enough that he was able to establish himself as a country gentleman, marry well, and begin a respectable family. His wife never knew what he did for a living, -I don't know what your story is about I didn't read it but at the beginning you say-
-the problem with shoeshine is its a dieing industry-The problem is THEY ARE HUSTLERS NOT SHOESHINE BOYS
I will keep it short : Do I really need to ask for feedback? I am voicing my opinion on what you wrote in a public forum which also comes with approval and censure from the gallery. Get used to it. I also know you will continue to view the world your way and I will too. According to the hue of my glasses. 'enough said!No it's not about needing to ask for feedback. And you didn't just voice your opinion. You tried to assign an erroneous account of my conveyance. You claim you was wondering about something. Well if you wonder about something, the intelligent thing is to ask so you get it right. Not make up a contrived interpretation and then have to file a disclaimer in case it doesn't stick. Thats all I'm saying.
That's because Dominicanos beat their women and they aren't nice to them.-You're serious my gosh don't you think these girls are nglued to the TV like American women-When did you ever meet an American divorced women who said their X was a great guy and their sorry they ever got divorced-NEVER-
The DR women use the same shit-I can't believe you buy their crap-They see all the shit that will work for them for your sympathy and more $$$$-WAKE-UP PLEASE-
Little story-me and my friends are eating at Rumba's puta sits by my friend he talks to her-Buys her a platter-She eats it all he pays-She tells him she needs 500 pesos so her baby can eat-He's going to give it to her but doesn't have it-He asked me I said to her "IF your baby is hungry why didn't you take half the platter to him / her? ALL HUSTLERS
I remember riding through a neighborhood in Puerto Plata with Gogo and he made a comment about the Dominican guys and kids just hanging on the corner and not doing shit with themselves. As many times as I have seen that same scenario, I have never once seen them with a worried look on their faces about how they would get their next meal.Puerto Plata is a relatively affluent community with plenty of government jobs, supermarket jobs, hospitals, prisons, hotels, and a plethora of motoconchos. There is a fairly significant sized expatriate population there, which is obviously a source of currency. I think you would see a different picture in some of the hinterland towns and rural areas or even in the backstreet barrios of Montellano or Los Cangrejos or Sabaneta.
In any case, to really examine the issue you would have to know what is average life expectancy, what percentage of people suffer from nutritional deficiencies, etc. And in particular whether the physical and mental development of children was lagging due to nutritional issues compared to other populations. It is not always a question of just getting nutrition, but of quality too.
But you raise an interesting point. In the USA 46 million people or 15% of all US residents are on food stamps (including many children). Is the DR therefore a wealthier country than the US, or are the people just thinner? And if all 46 million recipients of food stamps had them stopped tomorrow, would many people in the US go hungry, or would they be out in the streets in large numbers hustling for whatever they can get?
Here's a bit of information I pasted in. The high level of anaemia in children under 14 is worrying and suggests that they aren't getting enough meat. This also causes problems later on when pregnant mothers are anaemic, which leads to complications of pregnancy.
Dominican Republic
SUMMARY
According to the results of the Demographic and health Surveys of 1991 a 1996, there has been a marked improvement of the nutritional status of children under five years of age in Dominican Republic. In 1996, the prevalence of low height for age (stunting) was 11% (in 1991, it was 19%); that of low weight for age was 6% (10% in 1991), whereas wasting (low weight for height is low (1%) and does not represent a public health problem. Levels of stunting prevalence in rural areas (15%) are twice those in urban areas (7%). The regions IV and VI are those most affected by stunting (prevalence reaches 20% of preschool children), more than three times the level found in Distrito Nacional or in the Cibao Central (6%).
Among school age children, 19% suffer from stunting at national level. The provinces with the highest prevalence rates were Bahoruco in the South, Elías Piñas and Monte Plata.
Micronutrient deficiencies, mainly iodine, vitamin A and iron, are public health problems in Dominican Republic. It is estimated that 5% of school-age children at national level have goiter, although this prevalence reaches up to 13% in region I (San Cristóbal, Peravia, Monte Plata).
The prevalence of low serum retinol (<20 µg/dL) affects 23% of children aged 1-5 years, indicating that vitamin A deficiency is a public health problem among Dominicans.
The prevalence of anemia (defined as low hemoglobin) affects 31% of children aged 1 to 14 years, with higher levels in urban areas (32%) than in rural areas (25%).
Although Dominican Republic experienced an economic crisis during the 1980s, in the following decade the country made considerable advances to stabilize the economy. Unemployment rates diminished from 27% to 20% between 1980 and 1990 and poverty was hereby greatly reduced. Food insecurity affects the most vulnerable population groups, especially young children and those regions with the highest poverty indices.
Any monger who is at a disadvantage is either ignorant or weak. The girls are as different as the mongers. Some are seasoned pros others are fresh off the bus. There is no standard chica in Sosua. They come from different cities and backgrounds Just like us. It is a buyers market. Way more girls then guys. They want our money and will do their best to earn it. I have had very few problems with Girls in Sosua. I see a paranoid view from some guys here. Guys who do dumb shit sometimes get into trouble. We pick the girls and determine what we pay. The girls are at our mercy and know it. If you are picking the mafiosa chica then that is your own doing.Lets use your theory. So when a monger is approached by a kid who lies in order to get the monger to give him money. He is being ignorant or weak too if he lets the kid take advantage of his kindness? Think about it. If you believe your ignorance or weak theory in regards to a monger being at a disadvantage, then we can apply it to hustling panhandling kids. And if I allow a kid hustle me for my money, that is my own doing too. I got it. Now you know why I don't give my money away to those kids. Or to chicas that arent earning their keep. You are making this easier than I thought.
It is extremely common for children to be sick, so almost impossible to know if it is true or not. However it is inevitable that if mongers are trying to low-ball chicas for sex, they will try to keep the customer but get some additional money for taxis, sick children, or whatever it is.
This is far from unknown with US businesses. How often have you been casually asked if you want the worthless" extended warranty with that"? Or you download free games for children from the iStore that (you later find out) have expensive add-ons that children will want.
Or for example if you buy a used car, you may agree on a price of $3, 000. However you are now told that there is a "dealer fee" of $500 (for nothing) and a fee of $300 for processing the registration paperwork, plus $200 sales tax, so really you will have to pay $4, 000 by the time you write the check. Or look how iPhones are marketed without making it clear to the consumer how much the phone actually costs, because the price is buried in subsidies and monthly payments that conceal the actual price of the phone.
The chicas are just adapting tried and tested business techniques of offering a low initial cost to hook the customer, and then trying to add on some extras to get to the true price that allows for some profit. They should be applauded for their business school acumen, but as seasoned consumers of sexual services, we should determine how much we want to pay and how much extra we might give for superior service without getting our knickers in a twist about the morality of it all.
I recently paid a delightful young chica 1000 pesos for an encounter and when it came to time to pay up, she asked if I wouldn't give her an additional propina. I fished out a 200 peso bill and she was delighted. Since I plan to see her again I am sure that she will be pulling out all the stops to gratify my kinks, so I think the 200 pesos was well spent.
Negotiation is all part of the game and is best undertaken in a friendly spirit. In the end you will only pay what you want to spend, unless you are like the poor dope in the casino who was robbed of $15, 000 due to his own greed and ignorance.I agree it is very common for children to be sick. And it may be equally impossible to know if the woman is lying or not. With that understood, I still don't see any justification for a monger to take on the responsibility of sending her money even if she is telling the truth. I can dig the analogy and the personal example you offered. But there is one very distinct variable that makes the issue different. You are talking about a chica right in front of you. And you are in the DR with her.
Thats not the same as a guy in his own country, with a favorita on the phone or computer trying to get something extra for her baby, and can't offer services. When they discover how to WU pussy, then I might consider the idea of negotiation in the friendly spirit you suggest. Since I have nothing to lose, and likely will have no problem enjoying a chica, I'd rather bet the 50% that the chica is lying. And take my chances. When I start seeing skeletons of children lying around some chicas apt, then I'll start feeling ashamed that I didn't send any money.
When I start seeing skeletons of children lying around some chicas apt, then I'll start feeling ashamed that I didn't send any money.I would guess that you probably don't work in a health care related field. Actually health and nutritional deficiencies are more subtle than that. For example Vitamin A deficiency and anemia due to poor diet with insufficient meat, eggs, and fresh vegetables can lead to problem pregnancies and further problems with children who themselves suffer from malnutrition leading to developmental problems. Unfortunately these things have to be looked at statistically over whole populations rather than on subjective data based on personal observations.
I don't think the solution is really to send money after you have heard that a child you know has died, even if that salves your conscience a bit. I think the important thing to remember is that many of us have been fortunate in life in things like educational opportunities and even just in the country we were born in and probably wouldn't have achieved whatever success we have without things like good nutrition and healthcare in childhood, including access to modern medications. I know when I was seven years old I had a severe pneumonia and would probably have died had the doctor not come to my house and given me a shot of penicillin.
This discussion could run for ever, but I think it is reasonable to contribute to the Dominican economy and people according to what you can easily afford, and not according to some kind of political theory that may could easily become an excuse for being ungenerous rather than a real belief that you are doing what is best for the person concerned.
-He asked me I said to her "IF your baby is hungry why didn't you take half the platter to him / her?I don't know the age of the baby, but babies in the first year mostly need breast milk, formula, or pureed fruits and vegetables. The platter might not have been suitable to feed the baby if it was meat and plantains or something like that, and anyway she probably needed more than one feed for the baby.
Of course she might have been a scammer. Maybe there was no baby and she had 10, 000 pesos in her wallet. We can never really know.
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 21:48
-You're serious my gosh don't you think these girls are nglued to the TV like American women-When did you ever meet an American divorced women who said their X was a great guy and their sorry they ever got divorced-NEVER-
The DR women use the same shit-I can't believe you buy their crap-They see all the shit that will work for them for your sympathy and more $$$$-WAKE-UP PLEASE-LOL. I wasn't serious in the least bit, but if you read this thread long enough you will see that it is one of the old wives tales that many here believe right along with all of the starving families and sick babies.
Of course in every society there are men who beat women, people who starve, and kids who get sick and die. But to think that these things have overtaken the DR is bullshit. And to think that the burden for remedying these situations should fall on a monger who is vacationing for a week is double bullshit. I think most people here go on vacation to have a good time and get away from problems, and not to have to shell out extra money to fix someone else's problems for them. Like the man said, when I see a bunch of skeletons laying around everywhere then I might think about buying into the starving country and the sky falling crapola.
Little story-me and my friends are eating at Rumba's puta sits by my friend he talks to her-Buys her a platter-She eats it all he pays-She tells him she needs 500 pesos so her baby can eat-He's going to give it to her but doesn't have it-He asked me I said to her "IF your baby is hungry why didn't you take half the platter to him / her? ALL HUSTLERSThat reminds me of a Robin Harris joke about people begging. He wouldn't give the guy any money so the guy says is that the way you want to be? I have my family at home starving. So Robin Harris says well you should go home and be with them. It's not fair; you are out here full and your family is home starving.
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 22:00
Puerto Plata is a relatively affluent community with plenty of government jobs, supermarket jobs, hospitals, prisons, hotels, and a plethora of motoconchos. There is a fairly significant sized expatriate population there, which is obviously a source of currency. I think you would see a different picture in some of the hinterland towns and rural areas or even in the backstreet barrios of Montellano or Los Cangrejos or Sabaneta.Dude you are trying to analyze this thing too deeply. Just because I said Gogo made a statement while riding through Puerto Plata didn't mean his statement was only in reference to Puerto Plata or that you had to give us due diligence on Puerto Plata the city / province or the DR in general. That just happened to be the place we were when the statement came out of his mouth.
But the phenomenon of men and boys hanging out on the corner all day in their own neighborhood not doing a damn thing happens all over the country. If they were in fact starving you would think they would be doing something better with their time; even begging since that is the big topic now. As I said, they never appear to be starving, neither do they appear to be waiting for a meal to fall into their lap. They are just there chilling waiting to go home and get some rest so they can do the same thing the next day. Gogo also added that when we were kids we would be playing ball, or marbles, or tag, not just out looking like a bump on a log.
But the phenomenon of men and boys hanging out on the corner all day in their own neighborhood not doing a damn thing happens all over the country. If they were in fact starving you would think they would be doing something better with their time; even begging since that is the big topic now. As I said, they never appear to be starving, neither do they appear to be waiting for a meal to fall into their lap. They are just there chilling waiting to go home and get some rest so they can do the same thing the next day.Meanwhile, the Haitians build the country, as they are busting their ass in the hot ass sun. Ask some of those Dominicans playing dominos and drinking Brugal and Presidente all day about that.
Exactly. So why is it so hard for game to recognize game in these cases?There are different kinds of mongers. So the following generalization doesn't apply to all mongers, but I've met some like this. One constant is the USA is the only place I know of where guys can make really good money and not have a girl they want to deal with.
Some guys don't have shit going on back at the crib and for them it really is more than just a quick nutt. There is a void that the putas fill beyond just the sex. Guys clearly do shit that maybe should be reserved for that special person, but if that ain't there the puta becomes that person. The feeling of being needed and being in a "relationship" can become as addictive as crack for some people.
These guys don't spend money on shit back home because they don't have a woman, so they are often more willing and inclined to wire a chica in the DR money. Many don't exercise game anymore back home so they are not even in that mindset. Some know they are getting played, but ain't shit else going on so they deal with it.
Think about those guys that made "Frustrated" about Rio. Some said they don't even fuck with bitches back home. I know dudes like that who never hang out in the states and just save their money for their next trip to Rio, DR or wherever.
As much as dudes want to put on the public face about it being about how many chicas they fucked, you can outgrow that shit fast too and it can become old. For all the new chicas some people talk about in Sosua. 85% of the people stay the same if you go there often enough. That "scene" can play it self out, especially now that most of it is concentrated at D'Latin at night.
Man, you always remember the weird shit I say. But I will take ownership of it LOL. When we were kids, some kind of competitive sports was going on if it was more than two of us. From basketball in the alley in a trash can, to "chase" a game where the older boys would chase you and if they caught you the price to pay was a knuckle punch to the legs. Football, slap-boxing etc. We just couldn't post up and do nothing.
The Dominicans call it the "Dominican way", which means don't make plans and don't worry about nothing. Momma will cook a meal. Girlfriend will pay the rent, and there isn't child support enforcement to worry about. Shit, now that I think about it not a bad deal.
Don Antonio
06-23-13, 23:42
In the last 36 hrs, I have personally witnessed two shake-downs of tourist mongers by a combination of Dominican puta / policia / fiscal.
Case #1.
Tourist takes Dominican puta to the room and states beforehand that he does not want any sex because of too much alcohol. Puta asks to just be allowed to sleep by his side. Tourist wakes up after doozing off, and notices that puta is dressed and RDP 1, 500 are missing. He physically shakes her, she returns the money, they go downstairs to the hotel bar, have a drink, declare the matter settled, and make peace. Afterwards back to the room for a good nights sleep.
Next morning the puta files a complaint with the police, and Policia Nacional shows up with an arrest warrant shortly after 10 am. Tourist monger gets released 4 h later and after paying a combined RDP 60, 000 to all involved.
Case #2.
Tourist monger sessions with a different Dominican puta. Puta claims loudly, on the sidewalk that guy wanted sex w / o condom and that he physically attacked her. Meanwhile dude sits in adjacent restaurant with a beer rather than increasing the distance between him and her. Politur shows up and arrests him on the spot on a Sunday afternoon (!). He is now spending the night in the Sosua jail until the fiscal opens on Monday morning and reviews the case.
I bet a Grande Presidente that the monetary damage will be on the order of that in case #1. Plus, who needs this stress on a vacation.
What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.
Ath Trainer
06-24-13, 00:03
In the last 36 hrs, I have personally witnessed two shake-downs of tourist mongers by a combination of Dominican puta / policia / fiscal.
Case #1.
Tourist takes Dominican puta to the room and states beforehand that he does not want any sex because of too much alcohol. Puta asks to just be allowed to sleep by his side. Tourist wakes up after doozing off, and notices that puta is dressed and RDP 1, 500 are missing. He physically shakes her, she returns the money, they go downstairs to the hotel bar, have a drink, declare the matter settled, and make peace. Afterwards back to the room for a good nights sleep.
Next morning the puta files a complaint with the police, and Policia Nacional shows up with an arrest warrant shortly after 10 am. Tourist monger gets released 4 h later and after paying a combined RDP 60, 000 to all involved.
Case #2.
Tourist monger sessions with a different Dominican puta. Puta claims loudly, on the sidewalk that guy wanted sex w / o condom and that he physically attacked her. Meanwhile dude sits in adjacent restaurant with a beer rather than increasing the distance between him and her. Politur shows up and arrests him on the spot on a Sunday afternoon (!). He is now spending the night in the Sosua jail until the fiscal opens on Monday morning and reviews the case.
I bet a Grande Presidente that the monetary damage will be on the order of that in case #1. Plus, who needs this stress on a vacation.One stop shoping. Arrest, conviction, fine, and lawyer fees, in one easy payment.
What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.Bang chicas before you are too drunk to get wood, and spend 15 minutes with the chica, and make sure she is not poison.
You could just overpay and go to Passions, and not worry about anything!
Tempoecorto
06-24-13, 00:08
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I agree it is very common for children to be sick. And it may be equally impossible to know if the woman is lying or not. With that understood, I still don't see any justification for a monger to take on the responsibility of sending her money even if she is telling the truth. I can dig the analogy and the personal example you offered. But there is one very distinct variable that makes the issue different. You are talking about a chica right in front of you. And you are in the DR with her.
Thats not the same as a guy in his own country, with a favorita on the phone or computer trying to get something extra for her baby, and can't offer services. When they discover how to WU pussy, then I might consider the idea of negotiation in the friendly spirit you suggest. Since I have nothing to lose, and likely will have no problem enjoying a chica, I'd rather bet the 50% that the chica is lying. And take my chances. When I start seeing skeletons of children lying around some chicas apt, then I'll start feeling ashamed that I didn't send any money.-Your right again.But guys believe what they want to believe-The chicas constantly test you-They have a child.really never seen the child with her-Oh my mother watches her in Santo Domingo.Oh while your in Sosua drinking partying and having a good time making more in one night than most Dominicans make in a 60 hr week. Yea hold on I got to get a tissue and a fucin' violin.
In the last 36 hrs, I have personally witnessed two shake-downs of tourist mongers by a combination of Dominican puta / policia / fiscal.El Batey is very small and the chica network is alive. I wonder if these types of success stories will encourage other chicas to look for more shakedowns.
I guess this is the home court advantage someone alluded to earlier. If you meet a scam artist, its better to cut your loses. If you deal with enough chicas, its inevitable that you will eventually run into a confrontational situation.
The fact that its a buyers market or that you have the pesos doesn't insulate you from becoming a mark. Some guys think it will never happen to them because it never has and they're too smart to get caught in a shakedown. Maybe so, may not, who knows? After all, even the owner of Rocky's got caught up in a shakedown sometime after getting involved with a monger who was in a shakedown himself.
Keep in mind that these are those innocent little chicas that are not really putas; they are only scamming you because they need your money for pampers because pampers are very expensive in the DR.
What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.1. Don't get drunk.
2. Don't shake people.
3. Stick to Haitianas.
4. Make sure you have a good rapport with your bed partner.
5. Don't look for bareback with women you don't know. If you do, make sure everything is agreed on, for example is she on the pill, will you come inside or outside. Avoid coercing.
6. Make sure she leaves happy.
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