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Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosuaI agree. But maybe thats what they want.
If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.
If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.
Dlatin is the only thing going in Sosua. Without DLatin the place would be useless. I still tear up when I remember Classicos but DLatins provides what we are looking for. I am not sure what your gripe is but to each his own.
Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosua
What, are there large groups of men walking around in man-thongs are something? You should remind them that this isn't Europe!Haven't seen that, but back in the 80's I remember that police in Bermuda would measure the length of tourists' shorts to make sure they were not too many inches above the knee, and it was considered unseemly to go into the capital wearing shorts without knee stockings. Island people can be very conservative in matters of dress and attire.
Island people can be very conservative and sensitive in matters of etiquette. Even now in the DR a man cannot go into an official government office in a pair of shorts, or a woman in an off-the-shoulder decolletage or short skirt, or bare belly. Just the other week I saw an amusing vignette at the family court building in Puerto Plata where a man arrived to sign some papers wearing shorts. To be allowed to enter the judge's office he and his lawyer had to go out of the back door into the yard so he could take off his shorts and put on the lawyer's long pants. While he signed the papers the lawyer waited out back in his shirt and boxer shorts.
Obviously it is rather different in Sosua where the dress code is very informal, but perceptions can still influence policy makers.
Here is some discussion of dress code issues in the DR:
http://www.outreach360.org/guide/dr/dresscode
SavePros321
07-23-13, 14:16
According to that dude, David, Passions was raided and drugs were found and Peter got locked up. Passions is closed for now.I wonder if they already knew what they were looking for going in (drugs) or if finding them was just a bonus.
So right now no one really knows if this was part of a larger effort to close places like this, or a drug bust.
Correct me if I am wrong expats, but drug offenses in the DR are harsher than pimping charges, no? But I guess it doesn't really matter if they end up combining the two charges.
Grandnash84
07-23-13, 16:35
Dlatin is the only thing going in Sosua. Without DLatin the place would be useless. I still tear up when I remember Classicos but DLatins provides what we are looking for. I am not sure what your gripe is but to each his own.Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur title
There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.
I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.
Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur title
Bring tourists where, LOL? There is nothing to see in Sosua!
Admittedly the beach is nice, but it's an island for crying out loud. You can't help but trip over a beach at every turn.
Help me out expats; am I missing something here? What is in Sosua that these "Tour Operators" are trying to bring tourists to Sosua for?Well, I think they want to fill beds at the bigger hotels near the beach and the all-inclusives like Casa Marina. Sosua has a potentially very nice beach area and a pleasant tree-lined avenue with sidewalk cafes and restaurants, coffee shops, bars, and small shops. There aren't that many great beaches in this part of the DR. For example Puerto Plata has several, but they are not very attractive to tourists. Santo Domingo has no beach and the closest one at Boca Chica is nothing to get excited about either.
Like you I don't get very excited about beaches having lived very close to some of the world's best beaches for many years, but for a lot of people a beach seems to have some important symbolic significance. Probably because early humans had to live close to water.
I think Sosua could also be seen potentially as a center for outings to places of interest (like the bus tours from Boca Chica) and there are a number of places to go, for example Cabarete for windsurfing, the teleferico in Puerto Plata, the waterfalls near Altamira, various campos for bathing in the river, etc.
Passions has a government Ministerio Publico letterhead paper on the door saying "cerrado". The sign is different from the Ministry of Tourism signs at the closed massage parlors.
I asked a motoconcho driver what happened at Passions, and he said someone got stabbed, however I would not rely on the accuracy of that information, except to say that you can't believe all you hear!
By the way, I would like to put in a plug for the Avalon restaurant, an Italian restaurant close to the Town Hall in Calle Ayuntamiento. They don't get a lot of business, but their home-cooked Italian menu is absolutely authentic and very tasty and is prepared with fresh ingredients and served by the proprietor and his wife personally. Prices are reasonable, for example coffee 50 pesos, Cuba libre 100 pesos, main dishes about 300 pesos, hand-made pizzas from 250 pesos. The owners are Graziella and Vincenzo from Tuscany, and I am sure they would appreciate it if you were to show up for dinner with a dozen of your best friends.
http://ristoranteavalon.jimdo.com/
There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.
I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.Yes, but you might want to spend the evening relaxing, dining, taking coffee, chatting with friends, meeting people, then a late-night brandy while flirting with passing ladies of the night without having to put up with the deafening noise from the D'Latinos cattle market whenever you are within 200 yards of the place.
Grandnash84
07-23-13, 18:46
There are 10 or 15 small bars near DLatins who wants to visit every dive to find the lady you want for the night. DLatins is not perfect but I can see every hot chica in Sosua in one location. That is very important to me. If I owned a bar in Sosua I would not be happy but for a monger it is needed. I always preferred Classico s however tha is nolonger a option.
I know that I will see the best Sosua has to provide. Few people are into the small bars.Actually I'm right, I never mentioned the small dive bars. I'm talking about rumba, winner sports bar, el flow, the spot etc. All these places clear out and they all go to dlatin's. I understand you like yur chicas in one place but I would rather have the same girls spread out instead of one hot, sweaty, crowded place. The main strip is only one block, never have trouble finding a girl within that one block. Everytime I'm there I talk to regular mongers I've come to known from my time there, and they all say the same. And Dlatin's ain't even that nice for all those chicas going there.
According to that dude, David, Passions was raided and drugs were found and Peter got locked up. Passions is closed for now.
Does this mean the Passions chicas were in D'Latin last night or are they "working" somewhere else?My best guess is that the owner didn't pay off the police this month and they planted drugs in his club like they are well known in doing all over the country when they want to nail someone for any stupid reason, but usually for not greasing their palms.
ForceSteeler
07-23-13, 19:50
Dlatin's is messing sosua up. After 11 the whole strip goes to dlatin's and almost the rest of the bars and clubs die out. It's not like more chicas arrive in the town at 11 pm and go straight to dlatin's. Plus it's hot and stuffy as hell and crowded as hell. Not to mention the pickpockets. If dlatin's wasent there, sosua would be a lot better IMO. U can't walk into dlatin's for no more than 5 min and be pouring sweet. If the situation was different and a new wave of girls comes into town at 11 and goes straight to dlatin's that would be a different story, but it's the same chicas that were at rumba or etc that end up at dlatin's. If dlatin's wasent around, there would still be the same amount of chicas in sosua, it woulndt hurt sosua one bit. Not sure why you put "duh" as yur titleMan I miss Classicos, at least it had air conditioner. Which is a big help when Summer time weather hits, when I was in Sosua in December I was sweating bricks in Dlatino. It was hot as hell,
So I can only image when I go to Sosua in August how hot Dlatino will be.
Is there a Reason the Girls don't go to Classico's anymore? Isn't the renovation complete? Or is the Owner still greedy and wants the girls to pay to come to the club?
Contrary reports http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=394195&l=1
If this is accurate Passions could be on the way down.
Contrary reports.
http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=394195&l=1
If this is accurate Passions could be on the way down.PUERTO PLATA. During an operation the state prosecutor's office rescued 32 women who were allegedly forced into prostitution in the establishment known as Passion's Bar, which was closed by the authorities who arrested their owners and managers, Messrs. Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.
During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.
According to the authorities of the prosecutor's office during the operation they also found records of fines that women had to pay if they failed or refused to go out with a customer, as well as condoms, bill stubs, uniforms of the alleged victims, computers, and digital cameras, cell phones, and envelopes with the money to pay to each of them.
Colonel José Hernández Gutiérrez, commander of the Department of Immigration Control and Research Against Trafficking Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking National Police also participated in the work of the Attorney General in rescuing the women, who were held at Calle Pedro Clisante number 12, in the municipality of Sosúa, Puerto Plata Province.
Charles Pooter
07-23-13, 21:01
I asked a motoconcho driver what happened at Passions, and he said someone got stabbedSo far guys have posted closed because:
- a stabbing.
- found drugs on employee.
- big-time dealing in drugs by management.
- owed money to an employee.
- girls trafficked and forced to work there.
- naked women on premises.
- under-age girls.
I am sure I have forgotten something.
In other words no-one really knows shit.
I would have had the placed closed down for completely other reasons.
(1) Cruelty to goldfish, having to endure that deafening racket, when sounds carries underwater. Their brains must have turned to mush.
(2) Not enough haitianas (if any at all).
(3) Charging 100 pesos for a bottle of water that costs 7 pesos in La Sirena
Charles Pooter
07-23-13, 21:04
Found cameras and cellphones, eh? Very incriminating!
SavePros321
07-23-13, 21:07
PUERTO PLATA. During an operation the state prosecutor's office rescued 32 women who were allegedly forced into prostitution in the establishment known as Passion's Bar, which was closed by the authorities who arrested their owners and managers, Messrs. Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.
During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.
According to the authorities of the prosecutor's office during the operation they also found records of fines that women had to pay if they failed or refused to go out with a customer, as well as condoms, bill stubs, uniforms of the alleged victims, computers, and digital cameras, cell phones, and envelopes with the money to pay to each of them.
Colonel José Hernández Gutiérrez, commander of the Department of Immigration Control and Research Against Trafficking Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking National Police also participated in the work of the Attorney General in rescuing the women, who were held at Calle Pedro Clisante number 12, in the municipality of Sosúa, Puerto Plata Province.Thanks for providing this translation.
Mr Enternational
07-23-13, 21:08
It all makes sense now that they found envelopes with money to pay the girls who were trafficked and forced to work there.
SavePros321
07-23-13, 21:20
During that raid, coordinated by the Special Prosecutor Against the Smuggling of Migrants and Trafficking in conjunction with Tax Attorney Puerto Plata, and directed by judges Jonathan Baró Gutiérrez and Alba Nunez Pichardo respectively, they found attendance and payroll records of the comings and goings of sexually exploited women, listing the payments clients made to use their services.Certainly reads like a "pimping operation" to me. They should have followed Blackbeards model in where all the chicas are independents and you pay your money directly to the chica, not to the "house" (Passions).
I guess places like Oxygen Resort are up next on the chopping block. I don't see Blackbeards and FOD having these same problems.
Mr Enternational
07-23-13, 22:09
Update to that.
"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."
But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.
Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.
Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL!
The current situation is a little crazy. Somewhere some one is pulling strings. The world economy is making travel more exclusive. The DR has to compete with the rest of the Carribean for their dollars. I see many half built operations that get started and never finished. Many of the AIs are having a hard time getting quest. Beach is not a big deal in the Caribbean. How can you explain how a cash cow like Classicos just shuts down over night. Like I said business in the DR often defies logic. My advise enjoy Sosu while it is there. Some day we may tell our grand sons what was possible for 35 dollars ajajajaj.
Update to that.
"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."
But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.
Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.
Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL!
It all makes sense now that they found envelopes with money to pay the girls who were trafficked and forced to work there.I don't think the problem was that they were forced to work there, but that they were forced to have sex with clients they didn't want to have sex with, or fined if they didn't. While prostitution is legal in the DR, penalizing your employees if they refuse to have sex with customers probably isn't, and pimping or revenue sharing with prostitutes certainly isn't legal.
Maybe Passions has carefully crafted employment contracts that somehow exploit some loopholes in the employment laws, for example the girls have to pay 50% of their earnings for board and lodging, uniforms, etc, but I think they will have a really tough row to hoe if top level government decides it wants to stamp out commercial sex establishments.
I appreciate that the girls at Passions almost certainly knew that they were coming for the purposes of earning money for sex with tourists, but I doubt whether that is the central issue here.
Michael1967
07-23-13, 23:55
Don't be fooled that there are touristy things to do in Sosua. My wife and I go to Sosua a couple of times per year. We stay in some condos about 1/2 mile from the main strip (about $350 week or $800 month, private access, excellent pool and 24 hour security). During the day, we go to the quiet beach. Not sure of the name. But there is the ugly, crowded, dirty beach and then there is the quiet one (by a restaurant near a resort) that generally has 8-10 people on it. Some of them topless or nude Europeans.
We love the food and hit as many different restaurants that we can find (though we tend to have too many breakfasts at Rocky's). During the afternoon, we usually stop at any one of the bars and get 2 Cuba Libre's for 100 pesos. About a 7 years ago, I got caught mongering (by posting on a site like this and forgetting to close my browser) and finally had to come clean. She is now actually fine with me flirting with the prostitutes and occasionally buying them drinks (I speak Spanish; she's a Spanish teacher and fluent). Since I'm with my wife, I don't have the aggressive one's approaching me and the one's that I invite to sit with us are simply incredible looking. It's a vacation for me, where I can flirt and check out women, but she gets to do all the stuff she enjoys also. It's funny because I'll talk to the mongers and they'll freak out because my wife is there and she might find out about what's going on there. As if you can walk around Sosua and not know what's going on. Many of the women know us by name and she even brought clothes for several of the girls on our last trip. We've gone to a stripclub / brothel together (don't believe it is Passions. It was on the lesser traveled section of the main street) and had an incredible time, the women went crazy for us. Or at least our money. In return, I've had to go shopping with her (almost not worth it).
At night we go dancing at various spots but usually end up upstairs at the crowded nightclub (sorry, I'm horrible with names, but she can name the beach, the streets and name every bar there). We usually have a great table because we tip a little too well and our last trip the waiter held our table every night until we showed up. It's almost like our second home because many of the locals know us. For variety, we will go to Cabarete and visit a few spots there, but eventually we get bored and end up back in Sosua. So don't be fooled, my wife wouldn't go back every six months if she couldn't do touristy things while I'm checking out women. We've had several real estate agents try and sell us a condo there but for $350 week/$800 month, it's simply cheaper to rent for the amount of time that we are there.
Kiddo,
You could have done better than that.
A working link is here,
http://www.detrasdelrumor.com/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/2661-encuentran-mujer-asesinada-en-la-habitacion-de-una-pension-en-sosua
All that is left: (I) you need to able to read Spanish; (ii) find the blood stains at D'Latin; (iii) show that the two are connected. Per the OPs post.
Taking a wild guess, I think you will fail (I). (iii).Thanks for the correction.
Mr Enternational
07-24-13, 00:03
I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention. All I saw is that you eat and go to the beach. But anywho it just goes to show that you never know the things a woman will accept until you ask (or get caught).
Sucks about the raids, but at the same time the'latin is fucking up sosuaI don't see such a big problem-If you had an ID and didn't have drugs on you what's the problem? Making sure minors aren't trying to hook seems like it would help out the monger tourist so they don't get in a jam with an under raged "chica". I have no problem with D'latino's I like the place. Each to his own I guess.
I was in D'Latins in May when the police were searching for someone. These were a different kind of police. They weren't wearing any kind of uniform, all were in street clothes with a badge hanging around their necks and pistols on their hips. (only about 5 cops in the group). They had management turn off the music and everyone just stared at them as they talked to Willy for about 20 minutes. They walked around the club for about for a couple of minutes and then left. Really strange!Cops looking for thugs, seems pretty normal to me. Possibly they had gotten a tip on a somebody they were after was spotted there. Why is normal activity that happens all over always blown out of proportion when it happens in Sosua?
So far guys have posted closed because:
- a stabbing.
- found drugs on employee.
- big-time dealing in drugs by management.
- owed money to an employee.
- girls trafficked and forced to work there.
- naked women on premises.
- under-age girls.
I am sure I have forgotten something.
In other words no-one really knows shit.
I would have had the placed closed down for completely other reasons.
(1) Cruelty to goldfish, having to endure that deafening racket, when sounds carries underwater. Their brains must have turned to mush.
(2) Not enough haitianas (if any at all).
(3) Charging 100 pesos for a bottle of water that costs 7 pesos in La SirenaI am glad to see someone has a sense of humor on this site. Your a FUNNY guy.
Don't be fooled that there are touristy things to do in Sosua. My wife and I go to Sosua a couple of times per year. We stay in some condos about 1/2 mile from the main strip (about $350 week or $800 month, private access, excellent pool and 24 hour security). During the day, we go to the quiet beach. Not sure of the name. But there is the ugly, crowded, dirty beach and then there is the quiet one (by a restaurant near a resort) that generally has 8-10 people on it. Some of them topless or nude Europeans.
We love the food and hit as many different restaurants that we can find (though we tend to have too many breakfasts at Rocky's). During the afternoon, we usually stop at any one of the bars and get 2 Cuba Libre's for 100 pesos. About a 7 years ago, I got caught mongering (by posting on a site like this and forgetting to close my browser) and finally had to come clean. She is now actually fine with me flirting with the prostitutes and occasionally buying them drinks (I speak Spanish; she's a Spanish teacher and fluent). Since I'm with my wife, I don't have the aggressive one's approaching me and the one's that I invite to sit with us are simply incredible looking. It's a vacation for me, where I can flirt and check out women, but she gets to do all the stuff she enjoys also. It's funny because I'll talk to the mongers and they'll freak out because my wife is there and she might find out about what's going on there. As if you can walk around Sosua and not know what's going on. Many of the women know us by name and she even brought clothes for several of the girls on our last trip. We've gone to a stripclub / brothel together (don't believe it is Passions. It was on the lesser traveled section of the main street) and had an incredible time, the women went crazy for us. Or at least our money. In return, I've had to go shopping with her (almost not worth it).
At night we go dancing at various spots but usually end up upstairs at the crowded nightclub (sorry, I'm horrible with names, but she can name the beach, the streets and name every bar there). We usually have a great table because we tip a little too well and our last trip the waiter held our table every night until we showed up. It's almost like our second home because many of the locals know us. For variety, we will go to Cabarete and visit a few spots there, but eventually we get bored and end up back in Sosua. So don't be fooled, my wife wouldn't go back every six months if she couldn't do touristy things while I'm checking out women. We've had several real estate agents try and sell us a condo there but for $350 week/$800 month, it's simply cheaper to rent for the amount of time that we are there.Sosua has alot to offer and enjoy. You are absolutely right. Hope you and your wife enjoy many more years here. I know I will.
Michael1967
07-24-13, 00:32
I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention. All I saw is that you eat and go to the beach. But anywho it just goes to show that you never know the things a woman will accept until you ask (or get caught).I don't do touristy things. That's the wife's role. I like to sit in the sun and read a book. But if the town wasn't touristy, she wouldn't be there. Trying a variety of foods and restaurants is touristy. As well as shopping (at least for Americans).
Other than that, I was also surprised that she accepted it. I used to go to Honduras, Peru and Ecuador regularly and spend about 3 weeks per trip trying to nail as many women as possible. Now, I'm not allowed to go on vacation alone, but she has no problem with me hanging around the prostitutes. I do have to say, for the two years after she found out about it, our sex life probably tripled over what it was before. Last year, we even brought home a woman 22 years younger than me that regularly slept in our bed. So while I would never recommend getting caught, I've now learned that she gets incredibly turned on by the idea of me being with another woman. Our relationship went from,"I'll hang around until I'm sick of her", to "This is the person that I can be with forever".
ConquerorVal
07-24-13, 00:41
Does this mean the Passions chicas were in D'Latin last night or are they "working" somewhere else?Will be coming to Sosua in a week and I am wondering the same thing. Where are all the displaced girls from Passions and the closed massage parlours working now?
I think I missed the touristy things you were about to mention.The ballers that came down earlier this month did a lot of touristy stuff as part of their AI package.
I don't do touristy things. That's the wife's role. I like to sit in the sun and read a book. But if the town wasn't touristy, she wouldn't be there. Trying a variety of foods and restaurants is touristy. As well as shopping (at least for Americans).
Other than that, I was also surprised that she accepted it. I used to go to Honduras, Peru and Ecuador regularly and spend about 3 weeks per trip trying to nail as many women as possible. Now, I'm not allowed to go on vacation alone, but she has no problem with me hanging around the prostitutes. I do have to say, for the two years after she found out about it, our sex life probably tripled over what it was before. Last year, we even brought home a woman 22 years younger than me that regularly slept in our bed. So while I would never recommend getting caught, I've now learned that she gets incredibly turned on by the idea of me being with another woman. Our relationship went from,"I'll hang around until I'm sick of her", to "This is the person that I can be with forever".Kinda of some weird posts if you ask me, Sounds like both of you like Sosua for the woman not for tourist activities.
The Mind Bender
07-24-13, 01:00
"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."
- CubaDave
Don Antonio
07-24-13, 02:30
Your hard-earned US tax dollars, at work.
And if you don't believe it, you are living in a bubble.
What has this world been coming to? Can't even have a mistress?
Only in America.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politics/huma-abedin-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Ath Trainer
07-24-13, 12:37
Update to that.
"Here's the update. 7-23-10:28 am. Peter's family informed me in person that NO! Drugs were found the place was clean. He was "detained" for a previous law suit from a former employee that said he owed her money. Peter had a hearing today and several places were raided for drugs and IDs. No problems anywhere, and everything in Sosua is just fine."
But they are going after the bars much harder than before. I do find the bolded just silly, but it shows that they are ready to lock up people down there on heresay from locals.
Heard from my Dominican folks in NYC that it's happening to Dominicans who live abroad and return to the island to visit family as well. They are bigger robbery targets than tourists, since they're in their families' barrios, not tourist zones. They visit Santiago and some surrounding areas, and Santo Domingo. Things are turning for the worse down there.
Last time I was down in SDQ (July 4th wkd) passing through in Santo Domingo Este off Ave. España and Chearles de Gaulle, military on the street guarding neighborhoods. This was very different from the police checkpoint / shakedown crew. More professional, actually doing their jobs, armed and ready for whatever. Saw this a few more times in different areas of the city before I left for "safer" Boca Chica. LOL!Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.
Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.There is another report in English on the closure here. Note that the translation from the Dominican Public Prosecutors Office press release misses out of couple of key points about why employees were fined. Also note that an original report that appeared on the insearchofchicas discussion board (which I don't read) that said there was a Ministry of Tourism sign posted on the door at Passions was false information. The sign has a Ministerio Publico (Public Prosecutors Office) letterhead, which is shown in the article below.
http://www.latintravelvip.com/authorities-rescue-women-from-la-passions-in-sosua/
I don't know who "Peter's family" are and obviously one feels sorry for anyone who is a financial dependent or child of someone who is locked up and facing serious charges, but they may not be aware of all the details, or may be trying to put on a good front to the world.
Your hard-earned US tax dollars, at work.
And if you don't believe it, you are living in a bubble.
What has this world been coming to? Can't even have a mistress?
Only in America.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/23/politics/huma-abedin-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1The story here does not refer to someone having a mistress, nor is there any reference to anything funded by tax payers that I can see. Nor can I see any connection to Sosua, for that matter. Three strikes.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-porn-ban-no-sex-105738151.html
Certainly a possibility.The funny thing is that this type of businesses rule the inner cities where there are no tourists. You pay the owner a salida or a house fee to do the deed right then and there. But it's Sosua we are talking about. A whole different ball game. The government can hate just as your friends can hate on you. If someone is believed to be making tons of money you can rest assure the local government wants their cut.
Certainly a possibility.By the way can anyone explain to me whats the difference between how business is run in Sosua as opposed to how they run Ilusiones and Passions in Santiago. Oops I forgot also Casablanca in Santiago.
It is reported that prosecutors are seeking a one year preventive custody sentence against Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodríguez Rodríguez as the ringleaders in the pandering operation at Passion's Bar and Spa in Sosua.
http://www.gentetuya.com/un-ano-de-prision-preventiva-contra-propietarios-bar-en-puerto-plata-por-proxenetismo
The alleged owner of a bar where the Public Ministry on Tuesday rescued 32 women who allegedly subjected to sexual exploitation, were sentenced today to 12 months in custody on charges of pimping.
The prosecution asked for the year as a coercive measure against the two defendants to which leaders are credited with being responsible for procuring the establishment, located in Sosua.
The request was accepted by Judge Rafael Reyes Vega Osiris against Mr. Peter Jensen, of German origin, and the Dominican Mariela Rodriguez Rodriguez, alias Lupe.
http://www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/7/24/491216/Por-explotar-a-32-mujeres-sexualmente-responsables-de-bar-deberan-pasar
Look out for Halloween uniforms and goldfish going cheap in the flea market!
Here's another article, translation is by Google Translate so a bit rough.
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP). Police officers arrested a German citizen owns a bar where they allegedly prostituted over 30 women in a tourist area in the north, reported Tuesday the Attorney General.
The detainee is Peter Jensen 48, Passion's club owner in the resort town of Sosua. 225 kilometers north of the capital. Agents also arrested the Dominican Maria Rodriguez, who ran the place.
The bar was raided and closed by the prosecution Puerto Plata, where Sosua is located, and the newly created prosecutor against trafficking in persons and smuggling of migrants, said its boss Jonathan Baró.
In the raid 32 women were rescued who allegedly were prostituted.
Although Dominican law does not prohibit a person selling sex as a crime in itself, it is illegal to sexually exploitanother person and there are penalties of 15-20 years in prison for traffickers and their accomplices.
In early May, two Germans were arrested for managing another bar in Sosua, known as Caribbean Men's Paradise, where they allegedly prostituted at least 33 women, including a minor.
According to a study of the organization You Women and United Nations Fund for Population released this year, the Dominican Republic ranks fourth worldwide as a country of origin for women who are prostituted in other nations.
As a way to combat the trafficking and sexual exploitation, the attorney general, Francisco Dominguez, announced this year that authorities arrested customers of prostitutes and treated them as accomplices of traffickers.
Since the beginning of the season only three American tourists and as many Austrians have been arrested while trying to hire the services of prostitutes. The six men were released without charge hours after a warning not to do it again, explained Baró.
SavePros321
07-24-13, 21:25
It is reported that prosecutors are seeking a one year preventive custody sentence against Peter Jensen and Mariela Rodríguez Rodríguez as the ringleaders in the pandering operation at Passion's Bar and Spa in Sosua.
http://www.gentetuya.com/un-ano-de-prision-preventiva-contra-propietarios-bar-en-puerto-plata-por-proxenetismoWhat is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?
Things seems to be heading the Cuban direction. For those mongers that are established in DR I'm sure the game will continue (for now at least). But for Mr Jensen and the 6 mongers that spent some time behind bars, DR are most likely a no-go place now. Personally I find it interesting that both The Phillipines and DR are having a crackdown and really good relationship with the great benefactor USA.
About the trafficking accusations, I doubt it! But with the frivolous use of the term I can't be 100% sure.
What I've heard the club did take a big cut of the price, ex of 3500, 1500 to the club and 2000 for the girl. Or am I wrong?
They also seemed to have rather strict working hours and fines if they were absent? Did they get a salary from the club? Reminds me a bit of this case http://washingtonexaminer.com/dancer-sues-strip-club-for-unfair-labor-practices/article/2514605
I don't know if Ill return, I prefer to follow the laws in countries as DR.
Look out for Halloween uniforms and goldfish going cheap in the flea market!You aint right Frannie! Hilarious!
ThunderStar
07-24-13, 22:36
We are a couple who have visited Sosua for around 9 years.
We remember when Passions was a lot smaller and more "Dominican"
I'm feeling a little sorry for Peter right now. It seems there are few people around to stick up for him in his time of need.
He has done a lot for mongers who visit Sosua. But. That could well be the problem if they are trying to stamp out the girls in this town.
IF Peter gets locked down. I hope some of the people who have partied there for years will feed him, but also. That really will send out a strong message that this is not a party town anymore.
Sad times for us mongers and even worse for Peter if this carries on for more than a few days.
What is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?Good question. Usually, when they catch you doing someting it is standard three months they hold you before a hearing, but they are real serious on this one as they are saying a year before you go to court. Big time drug dealers that are caught get a better deal than that. If I was 305 in santo domingo, I would close up shop right away because they can shut anybody down and put you in jail. Frannie is right you will be able to meet girls in disco and bars but no brothels in the future. I just hope he is not being put in La Victoria prison for a year. I have been there and I am telling you now you do not want to go there.
As i said before a lot of robberies in Santo Domingo right now this is not going to help these girls giving money to there families and boyfriends. Does not make sense to me to close down safe well run places. You all tell me i never been there but it sounded like the place was well run.
What is "preventive custody"? Does it mean they are keeping him locked up so that he can't flee the country before they hit him with the 15-20yr sentencing?Yes, in UK terminology it would mean "remanded in custody without bail for one year" pending trial.
If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.
If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.Bring a phrase book!
Charles Pooter
07-24-13, 23:46
If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.
If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.Your plan is indeed ruined because Passions won't be re-opening during your forthcoming trip, but your vacation needn't be negatively impacted. In fact there is no reason why you cannot have a better and cheaper time. Nobody I know who knows shit about Sosua and its chicas ever sets foot in Passions.
Don't worry about Spanish, but you will need to link up with helpful ex-pats and experienced regular visitors to avoid pitfalls.
I will give you an example which cropped up only this Monday. A group of us, all mature guys except one senile (me) , were having a party, loads of fun but fairly low-key, nothing boisterous or intimidating. We invited a first-time visitor to join us but he declined. I don't think he disliked us, but he was just very shy. Later that evening on the Strip one of our group spotted him about to seal the deal with a notoriously bad chica, scammer and thief. Because we had already met him and he seemed a real nice but clueless guy we warned him off. Normally none of us would interfere as no-one wants to be known for coming between a dangerously hard-core puta and a payday. Had we not bumped into him earlier by chance he was well on the path to a disappointing session and maybe a worse experience than that.
Good places to meet helpful guys are Rocky's Bar for (very) late breakfast (ask Rick to introduce you) and Ruby's Vulkan Bar (casita #144) and the adjacent Siempre Sol Bar on the beach. If still stuck, post a PM on one of the boards saying you need a mentor.
And don't worry about pre-paying your hotel. There are vacancies all over town in reasonably-priced monger hotels. You will do better walking round the town, checking out what's available and negotiating a price. Things are quiet there this month as regards visiting mongers.
Charles Pooter
07-24-13, 23:52
Bring a phrase book!Great idea. Make sure it is clearly visible to the putas at all times, and while you are at it, wear a t-shirt reading "I am a total newbie and a lamb to the slaughter". A plastic wristband like they issue at the AIs would complete the effect.
Mr Enternational
07-25-13, 00:21
I just hope he is not being put in La Victoria prison for a year. I have been there and I am telling you now you do not want to go there.La Victoria? Shit I don't want to go to ANY prison!
DR goverment is going through the motions. They do not want what is considered negative International press. They do not want to be seen as the home of Carribean sex vacationing. In truth prostitution is a normal part of DR life. They are making a few head lines so they can say they cracked down. Passions is a convenient target. Owners is a German what a better person to take a fall. Sorry to say some guys use Passions exclusively. These guys will have to come out of there comfort zone. I love the free lancers. They cost less and are more fun. IMHO
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 01:38
It seems there are few people around to stick up for him in his time of need.If you mean the gringo mongering community, there is nothing any of them can do, even if they wanted to. He must have influential contacts in the Dominican establishment. Whether any of them have enough juice to assist him remains to be seen. It is too soon to know how this one will play out.
I'm feeling a little sorry for Peter right now.I don't hold any ill-will towards him. He was always affable to me although I very rarely spent a peso in there, and once the horrible "improvements" were effected I actively avoided the place, apart from going there to meet one of my friends who had an inexplicable liking for the place and would insist on meeting up there.
I agree the spectacle of all the creeps now gloating is a bit tasteless, but there are about 18 million people on the island, who lead honest but miserable lives through no fault of their own, for whom I would feel sorry before I got to Peter.
He was a professional pimp, flagrantly breaking the law for a decade. He took his chances and he flaunted the wealth he earned from crime. We always advise guys not to wear their gold chains and (real or fake) Rolexes in Sosua in order not to attract attention and envy. What impression do you think a known pimp building a large flash house immediately behind his illegal brothel would have on rival "players"?
He has done a lot for mongers who visit Sosua.That is really bizarre. It is like saying Rupert Murdoch has done a lot for people who buy his newspapers or watch his TV channels. Most of us would say any benefaction has been totally in the other direction. We all considered Peter a smart businessman who ran a tight ship. He normally applied First World standards of customer service which are generally unknown in the DR, although as he got bigger and charged more to easier "marks" there were increasingly complaints that he short-changed the guys who were his original client base. (I was not one of the complainers. I know businessmen can have conveniently short memories).
We assumed that he knew what he was doing and was fireproof. But if he misjudged that and goes to prison for a long stretch then it would prove he was not a good businessman at all. Just a bigger and longer-running version of the monger who decides to set his puta up in a bar on the beach and loses his money and his girlfriend within three months.
But I would not rule out a Houdini escape from the situation. Nothing in this topsy-turvy country surprises me.
SavePros321
07-25-13, 02:49
If anyone have information for Passions please update us. I am arriving on Thursday and haven't pre-paid my hotel yet.
If Passions is closed my whole plan for vacation is ruined as I know 10 words in Spanish.If you were basing your entire trip around Passions then you are truly shortchanging yourself. Why not just go to Blackbeards in Puerto Plata instead?
Out of all my trips to Sosua I only visited La Passions once and that was back in '09 when the place resembled a thatched hut (and my Spanish was non-existent)! I didn't even session there. Just had a drink and left. Never have visited the place since then.
BadBear2000
07-25-13, 03:21
I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 03:35
If you were basing your entire trip around Passions then you are truly shortchanging yourself. Why not just go to Blackbeards in Puerto Plata instead?This is where I usually chip in and say "or Field of Dreams" but I agree that in his case Blackbeards would be better, as he is clearly not adventurous enough to enjoy FoD's advantages over Blackbeards, whereas if he safely stays on campus he would benefit from the bigger choice of chicas at Blackbeards. Also, as he was writing about going to Oxygen, he can clearly afford to pay the inflated Costambar taxi prices. Though with only three nights he won't go stir crazy.
I think Oxygen might be more vulnerable to the new crackdown than Blackbeards. Oxygen actually include sexual services in the price of the package but Blackbeards is notionally just a hotel. What you arrange with the chicas and what you pay direct to them is not the hotel's business. That is a fine distinction which would not mean very much if the authorities target Blackbeards, but if they are sympathetic it could give them the loophole to leave the place alone.
Out of all my trips to Sosua I only visited La Passions once and that was back in '09 when the place resembled a thatched hut.It was a fun place to hang then. Dominican music at a level where you could hold a conversation while chicas sat on your lap and played with your dick. None of this fitted Peter's later business model and I guess there was not much profit for him in them doing that. I still saw no reason to pay a premium for chicas even back then, though.
I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pocketsI read in the Haiti forum that most working girls have HIV?
I would like to hear more about why you love Haiti so much?
Does Haiti have a minimum wage for men workers?
Does a Haitian worker in the DR make the same as a Dominican in the DR?
What does an illegal Haitian make in the DR doing construction?
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 04:19
Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pocketsYou know you are my hero, BadBear, and I agree that everyone who is able to go to Haiti should give it a try. But the above statement is wildly inaccurate. The overwhelming majority of mongers, especially from the States, don't want black girls and come for the dominicanas, usually as light-skinned as possible. One of the DR Govt's propaganda goons recently posted on DR1 the absurd statement that "most Sosua putas are Haitian", very much in line with his usual racially motivated crap.
In addition, while it is true that most haitianas in Sosua are pro or semi-pro, some of them do a lot more than "go through the motions" nor do they "empty your pockets". Of course there are some real bad ones but they usually congregate on the Strip and can be easily identified. Ex-pats like myself and regular visitors have learned that haitianas on average give a far better service at a lower price than dominicanas. Three-quarters of my local friends' "steadies" or "regulars" are Haitian because they are more trustworthy and appreciative.
Of course they cannot match the unspoilt charm of those you are recommending, but they are a very acceptable substitute for those who for many reasons cannot or will not travel to Haiti.
On a more general note, mongers will not visit Haiti in significant numbers until there is a place where newbies can stay with confidence. I am no Medellin expert but I imagine that was the case until the Mansion arrived. Sosua really became big time when the Europa and the Palace opened. Later on, more adventurous mongers will ripple out from these "base colonies" but things have to start somewhere.
We all hoped your successive hotels would do the trick for Haiti. Unfortunately your efforts coincided with the onset of my health and financial problems and involvement with a charity here, so I was unable to be a pioneer on your behalf. It really needs someone to do what you were briefly doing. Asking a lot, I know. I only wish I were a fitter and more affluent guy. I would much rather live surrounded by Haitians than Dominicans.
This is where I usually chip in and say "or Field of Dreams" but I agree that in his case Blackbeards would be better, as he is clearly not adventurous enough to enjoy FoD's advantages over Blackbeards, whereas if he safely stays on campus he would benefit from the bigger choice of chicas at Blackbeards. Also, as he was writing about going to Oxygen, he can clearly afford to pay the inflated Costambar taxi prices. Though with only three nights he won't go stir crazy.
I think Oxygen might be more vulnerable to the new crackdown than Blackbeards. Oxygen actually include sexual services in the price of the package but Blackbeards is notionally just a hotel. What you arrange with the chicas and what you pay direct to them is not the hotel's business. That is a fine distinction which would not mean very much if the authorities target Blackbeards, but if they are sympathetic it could give them the loophole to leave the place alone.
It was a fun place to hang then. Dominican music at a level where you could hold a conversation while chicas sat on your lap and played with your dick. None of this fitted Peter's later business model and I guess there was not much profit for him in them doing that. I still saw no reason to pay a premium for chicas even back then, though.Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? If not, they had better be ready for trouble. I liked Passions's but I always thought Peter was living on the edge. We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR and he was blatantly breaking the law (you paid the bar not the girls). An extranero shouldn't look for trouble in the DR. I always thought it was a matter of time before it found him. Just too easy and obvious of a target.
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 04:48
Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR.No. That is not always the determining factor, though it usually is. But a few foreigners have wormed well into the system. I understand the newly appointed North Coast minister who is making waves is not Dominican.
Blackbeards could make a case they are not pimping. If they are targeted that would not hold water, but if they have protection in high places it could save them. Oxygen have no such defence as they are blatantly pimping by including sex in the vacation package. So were Field of Dreams at one stage. Not sure if they have now dropped that option?
No. That is not always the determining factor, though it usually is. But a few foreigners have wormed well into the system. I understand the newly appointed North Coast minister who is making waves is not Dominican.
Blackbeards could make a case they are not pimping. If they are targeted that would not hold water, but if they have protection in high places it could save them. Oxygen have no such defence as they are blatantly pimping by including sex in the vacation package. So were Field of Dreams at one stage. Not sure if they have now dropped that option?Stop it Charles, every time you have an opportunity to stand up and be real you fail. We all know you don't favor Black Beards, stop throwing a well established, respected business under the bus to boost FOD. Black beards is not pimping, we pay the girls. The main charge against Peter is not pimping, but [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Peter has always been my friend and a friend to many mongers. He runs a tight ship, but has always been a stand up guy for us. Peter is just a fall guy but not a bad person. He loves his Dominican daughter more than anything.
I'm not going to go into detail with what I know, but I would call Peter more of a match maker than a pimp. He never forced anyone to do anything. All it would have took was a no, but opportunity was there for all parties involved.
From what I have read haiti has almost no infrastructure. Food and hotels are not cheap or up to western standards. The haitian girls I have met in Sosua have been wonderful performers. They are competing with hot dominican girls and bring their A game. Having both Dominican and Haitian girls is a no brainer. Plus banging a sweet young non pro Haitian girl could risk you losing your heart. I have not been attacked or harmed in Sosua.
I have never been attacked or robbed in Haiti. I have had to ward off 3 attempts in the DR. Haiti is much safer than the DR. As long as you do not get involved in politics or flash big bucks around, you will only have a problem of leaving when the time comes because some Haitian babe has your heart in one hand and Mr Happy in the other. Why do guys go to Sosua? For the Haitian babes but they are the ones that have turned pro and only go through the motion to empty your pockets
I never found anything special about Pasions. For those that have never been, here are some videos of the girls there. http://www.dailymotion.com/lapassionsosua#video=xc4xt5
ForceSteeler
07-25-13, 13:29
From what I have read haiti has almost no infrastructure. Food and hotels are not cheap or up to western standards. The haitian girls I have met in Sosua have been wonderful performers. They are competing with hot dominican girls and bring their A game. Having both Dominican and Haitian girls is a no brainer. Plus banging a sweet young non pro Haitian girl could risk you losing your heart. I have not been attacked or harmed in Sosua.The reason why Haitian girls bring there a game is because there not as in high demand as your typical Dominican girl. So there thankful for every dollar they can get.
Your average Dominican girls has 3x the clients and guys sending them Western Union so there not as thankful and they feel they don't have to try to hard to please you. Compared to a Haitian girl.
Are the owners of Oxygen and Blackbeards Dominican? If not, they had better be ready for trouble. I liked Passions's but I always thought Peter was living on the edge. We all know that pimping is illegal in the DR and he was blatantly breaking the law (you paid the bar not the girls). An extranero shouldn't look for trouble in the DR. I always thought it was a matter of time before it found him. Just too easy and obvious of a target.Combo is absolutely right pimping is AGAINST the law.
Once again you see how somebody breaking the law and is arrested immediately 99. 9% of the replies are about the corruption in the DR and how the owner did not pay off the right people. It's never about BREAKING THE LAW. Nobody on this site replying has a clue about all the charges that may or may not be brought against him but most always point to corruption. Amazing isn't it. Some Mongers come down get drunk, look to buy dope and in some cases get arrested for varies reasons and its the 99. 9% of the replies are the police are corrupt. The 99. 9% never have any facts to back up their claims because its always second, third hand. On and on information. Look at the recent posts of a guy who they claimed was still in jail-passport taken-stuck in DR at his girlfriends. Turned out ALL FALSE concerning him being stuck in Jail and NOT having his passport and having to pay 60, 000 peso's. His friend replied on this site that he was arrested but didn't pay 60, 000 pesos and is back in the USA. I will believe his friend because after that post the bullshit all stopped concerning the issue.
Alot of poster make me laugh how in their country the police are honest and not corrupt and none of these things would happen in THEIR COUNTRY. But we all know if you got the money you can almost get away with anything anywhere.
This site is more of a rumor mill about Sosua than anything else.
So go to Sosua act like a gentleman and respect all the people of the Dominican Republic because you are their guest and you will be fine. Tourism is their bread and butter.
As I have often stated I have never had a problem with the authorities in any way and have been visiting the Dominican Republic for many years. Take care and enjoy this beautiful country.
Athens. Ten people were arrested Thursday in a police sweep in several Greek cities with the collaboration of Spanish, USA and Europol authorities targeting international trafficking of mostly Dominican women, which were forced into prostitution, EFE reports.
The network allegedly brought the women from Turkey and Greece to take to Spain, where they were forced into prostitution, a police spokesman told EFE.
The units that target organized crime has made? Arrests in Athens, Corinth (south of the Greek capital) , Volos (central Greece) , Kavala (North) as well as on the island of Crete.
The police source said more arrests are expected throughout the day in the ongoing operation, and that most of those apprehended are from the Dominican Republic.
Athens. Ten people were arrested Thursday in a police sweep in several Greek cities with the collaboration of Spanish, USA and Europol authorities targeting international trafficking of mostly Dominican women, which were forced into prostitution, EFE reports.
The network allegedly brought the women from Turkey and Greece to take to Spain, where they were forced into prostitution, a police spokesman told EFE.
The units that target organized crime has made? Arrests in Athens, Corinth (south of the Greek capital) , Volos (central Greece) , Kavala (North) as well as on the island of Crete.
The police source said more arrests are expected throughout the day in the ongoing operation, and that most of those apprehended are from the Dominican Republic.Interesting. I have told this story before, but several years ago I met a pair of women in a club in Puerto Plata who said they had recently returned from a six-month contract in a nightclub in Spain. Presumably they were working as prostitutes, though I didn't actually ask them if they were fucking for money, since that was what they were doing in Puerto Plata at a club run by an American I knew who was married to a Dominicana.
They said they had a great time in Spain and were planning to go back and do another six-month tour in Spain as soon as possible.
This reminds me a bit of the situation with Passion's in Sosua. I don't think the issue is just whether the women are "forced into prostitution", but that other people, nearly always men, and often men with links to organized crime, are making profits from the sale of sex, even if indirectly, for example by selling overpriced drinks to other men who are looking for sexual companionship, or selling soap and towels to prostitutes. [Of course you could say the same of the airlines whose profit margins are enhanced by transporting the women overseas, but that is much more indirect and the airlines are not responsible for determining the reason for travel or how the travel is financed. ]
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 16:38
Interesting. I have told this story before, but several years ago I met a pair of women in a club in Puerto Plata who said they had recently returned from a six-month contract in a nightclub in Spain. Presumably they were working as prostitutes, though I didn't actually ask them if they were fucking for money, since that was what they were doing in Puerto Plata at a club run by an American I knew who was married to a Dominicana.
They said they had a great time in Spain and were planning to go back and do another six-month tour in Spain as soon as possible.A guy I know was going with a dominicana who had worked for a year in Japan. The guy thought (or claimed to think as a face-saver) that she had been working as a secretary. Yeah, right! If someone in an advanced country needs a secretary, of course they will fly one in from the other side of the globe from a world-leader in literacy and numeracy like the DR.
This reminds me a bit of the situation with Passion's in Sosua. I don't think the issue is just whether the women are "forced into prostitution", but that other people, nearly always men, and often men with links to organized crime, are making profits from the sale of sex, even if indirectly, for example by selling overpriced drinks to other men who are looking for sexual companionship, or selling soap and towels to prostitutes.That seems an exceptionally convoluted explanation of the clearest-cut case you could ever find. Pimping is illegal in almost every country of the world and certainly in the DR. The owners and management of Passions were blatantly pimping. There was even a bar menu listing the various arrangements for sexual services. Open and shut case, and I have to laugh at the official announcement saying something like "after careful intelligence work". (Although I suppose reading a menu might stretch a Dominican's intelligence somewhat).
Everyone always knew they were pimping. The only question for eight (?) years is how were they getting away with it. No need to waste soap and towels in your post. They are in short supply in Sosua.
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 16:42
So my bad: 50K USD, not 60k USD!You forgot to allow for 16% ITBIS and 10% service.
Dominican women are exported all over Latin America and the Caribbean for work, go to Costa Rica. They go looking to provide better for their kids and because their is no opportunity in their homeland. It would be nice if the DR would crackdown on the recruiter. Peter was just a big name and face to put on this. As long as their is poverty, this will exist. It's big business. Hang on fellas this roller coaster is just reaching the peak, but its still some more twists and turns to go.
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 16:45
The reason why Haitian girls bring there a game is because there not as in high demand as your typical Dominican girl. So there thankful for every dollar they can get.
Your average Dominican girls has 3x the clients and guys sending them Western Union so there not as thankful and they feel they don't have to try to hard to please you. Compared to a Haitian girl.All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.
Everyone always knew they were pimping. The only question for eight (?) years is how were they getting away with it. No need to waste soap and towels in your post. They are in short supply in Sosua.Yes, I know that, but I was just giving a shorthand example of the way in which clubs can nickel-and-dime the income of the chicas-even when it is legal income--into the hands of the operators by overcharging for uniforms, accommodation, bed and board, laundry, etc. My remarks were intended to also apply brothel-clubs in Europe as a general comment and not specifically to Passion's, though they might apply to Passion's.
Incidentally, their (Passion's) neon sign outside was advertising "Disney for Adults." As far as I know Passions is not a division of Disney Corp. They might also be facing copyright issues from the Disney Corporation for misuse of a trademarked business name.
I am thinking you are over estimating how well these girls are doing in the business. There are way more girls on the strip then guys. Fact. Most girls can not get a taker. The average IMHO may do 3 guys a week if they are lucky. The average girl is struggling. Some do not even have enough food on a regular basis. There are some girls the hottest of the hot who can score more consistently. They are not the norm. Remember all the girls you walk by and do not give a second look. Haitian girls know that the competition is tough and they respond by trying to stand out with price and good service. .
All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.
All very true. Not the whole story, but a big part of it.How much money do Haitians have to pay for a work visa in the DR and how long does it last?
Thanks for the early advice on all
I am thinking you are over estimating how well these girls are doing in the business. There are way more girls on the strip then guys. Fact. Most girls can not get a taker. The average IMHO may do 3 guys a week if they are lucky. The average girl is struggling. Some do not even have enough food on a regular basis. There are some girls the hottest of the hot who can score more consistently. They are not the norm. Remember all the girls you walk by and do not give a second look. Haitian girls know that the competition is tough and they respond by trying to stand out with price and good service. .For once I agree with Old Kool. I think posters on this board often vastly overestimate the income of the average chica on the street.
My friend who once owned a nightclub in Puerto Plata kept an Excel spreadsheet of the income from 1000 peso "salidas" that were paid each time a chica exited the facility with a customer (often 500 pesos of this was immediately returned to a taxi driver). It was very much a "bell curve" with the single most popular chica averaging around one salida daily, a few other hotties getting around one every other day, and more than half the chicas rarely getting any salidas at all. A regular clientele, some of whom asked to be called if a new girl showed up on campus, would often salida each new girl one time, which accounted for a not negligible tranche of the overall business. This initial interest would give the girls high hopes of making some real money, but usually fell off after the first week.
While I have no actual evidence that this pattern translates into the same thing for the bar chicas in Sosua, it seems intuitively likely that it would do so. The majority do not look as if they have high income that allows them to invest in expensive hair stylings and elegant clothing that would attract the more affluent customer. Most wear the same outfit every night. It is also logical that the most desirable chicas will not only get customers more frequently, but are also able to charge higher fees, and spend less time on the hunt. Some of the scams encountered may be attempts by low frequency chicas to maximize income from the few dates that they do manage to score.
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 18:16
Stop it Charles, every time you have an opportunity to stand up and be real you fail.I don't understand what this means. Is it Zen?
We all know you don't favor Black Beards, stop throwing a well established, respected business under the bus to boost FOD.I don't "favor" any establishment. I have no interest in any of them, I receive no perks or freebies and I post impartially, warts and all. I have consistently praised Blackbeards and often recommended guys to stay there, including only yesterday on another board. It was my introduction to the DR and, unlike other posters who say they get bored there after a few days, I was there for two weeks and rarely left the premises. I was very sad to leave and another two months wouldn't have been too long for me. Blackbeards has many advantages but it is not fair to conceal its minor downsides from newbies.
It is true that I have often put in a word for FoD because it is often omitted from suggestions and recommendations and, for a certain minority of mongers, those who have enough Spanish to hunt for non-pros and (more likely) semi-pros, it is the best location, better than Sosua or Blackbeards. Some of my friends and acquaintances in that category would never stay anywhere else but they don't fit the usual profile for Sosua mongers. Also for those like me, who liked to pop into Sosua often to meet fellow mongers, but didn't want to stay overnight there.
FoD's problem is that it never achieves a "critical mass" of satisfied customers to sustain progress with ongoing word-of-mouth recommendations the way Blackbeards does. That is partly, but not entirely, its own fault. Everytime it gets close to that, the ownership or something else changes and they have to roll the rock up the hill again. But it would be a shame if it closed, as there is nowhere else with its specific advantages, so I do my little bit to keep it open. But if they start fucking up again I will be the first to post, as I did about my last disappointing visit there.
Blackbeards doesn't need my praises on the board as I never stay there and there are plenty of posters who do to sing its praises.
Black beards is not pimping, we pay the girls.I specifically wrote that Blackbeards could make that defence, whereas Passions, Oxygen, and maybe FoD could not. But it is also true that if the authorities are gunning for Blackbeards it would be a paper-thin defence, as the whole establishment relies on girls selling sex for money, so I am sure they could nail them on one charge or another. Let's hope they don't want to.
The main charge against Peter is not pimping, but [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).Yes, I think that is bizarre. To the best of my belief no chica was ever coerced in to working there or prevented from leaving. Nor were they transported there against their will or under a false pretext. They must all have known exactly why they were going there and the vast majority must have sold sex for money where they came from. So it doesn't add up to "trafficking" as I understand the word. But the law in the DR is a crock of shit and, if someone on high has got it in for you, the niceties of the law won't stand in their way (which is the point I was making about Blackbeards).
But there is no doubt that Peter and Mariela were blatantly pimping. A large part of their income came from money paid to putas for sexual services. If a third party takes a cut from such money it is pimping by any definition and is illegal in every country (that concerns us) in the world. Why they are not being charged with that instead is strange, as they would have no defence whatever. Maybe "people trafficking", as a more serious charge, to impress the US paymasters (and let's not forget that this whole business of the crackdown is orchestrated from the US)."People trafficking" is a horrific crime but one of which Peter and Mariela are not guilty to the best of my knowledge.
Peter has always been my friendThen you are not impartial like me and your views carry less weight. I hope you will be one of those supportive friends ThunderStar was calling for (from the safety of rural England).
Peter is just a fall guy but not a bad person. He loves his Dominican daughter more than anything.I have never said he was a bad person. Just someone breaking the law who cannot complain if his luck has run out. I specifically said he was always amicable to me although I was his worst customer, and once the changes were effected could not even bear to take newbies there as I had done previously.
I don't see how he can be a "fall guy". A fall guy is some underling who takes the rap for his boss(es) or more powerful interests. As far as I know, no-one forced or blackmailed Peter to run a brothel for their benefit.
The fact that he loves his daughter is sweet, not at all unusual for parents, and absolutely nothing to do with his guilt or otherwise. I imagine it will carry no weight in law, nor should it. I am not suggesting Peter is a monster, or even a bad person, but history is full of monsters (Nazi war criminals for example) who were really devoted to their children.
I would call Peter more of a match maker than a pimp.That Mary Poppins explanation is just comical. I will leave other posters here to mock that one.
He never forced anyone to do anything.May well be true, but that is not a necessary part of pimping, which is simply third parties profiting from prostitution. The idea that prostitutes are always coerced into the trade is popularized by feminists, religious wackos and Hollywood. Often true, but not so much in the DR.
Charles Pooter
07-25-13, 18:39
How much money do Haitians have to pay for a work visa in the DR and how long does it last? Thanks for the early advice on allI ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is. It satisfies the cops when they check her so she is happy. It doesn't seem to say anything about "work" or "study' so maybe it is just a "temporary residence" visa, although it doesn't say that either. This is a very sensitive area for Haitians as they feel very vulnerable. Also they are told all sorts of BS by Haitian and Dominican officials, the laws and interpretations are constantly changing, and most of them have limited literacy for official jargon in minute print, so everyone is confused all the time and reluctant to discuss it with blan.
I hope someone here knows more than me about "work" visas and can answer your question.
Do any of you guys know of a car rental agency or person that will allow there autos to be taken across the Haiti border?You would probably have better luck hiring a car in Israel to drive to Iran.
You might find a private person who would rent you a car but I guess you would have to put the whole (and probably inflated) value of the car up as security.
the main charge against peter is not pimping, but [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).i don't see where you get this from. the only primary document available to us is the prosecution press release. there are numerous secondary reports that all say something like:
el ministerio público de puerto plata, pidió 12 meses de prisióand como medida de coercióand, contra dos imputados a quienes se les atribuye ser los cabecillas responsables de proxenetismo en el establecimiento passio's bar, ubicado en municipio de sosúa, provincia puerto plata.
proxenetismo may be translated into english as "pandering" or possibly "pimping". anyway the definition is: ". consiste en obtener beneficios económicos de la prostitucióand de otra persona", so it is pretty obvious what it means.
however, since the prosecution has up to a year, which can no doubt be extended, to build its case, it may not have to produce a detailed list of all the possible charges at the present time.
in the us it is not at all unusual for a prosecution to produce a variety of related charges and to bargain with the defence. often the more severe charges will be dropped in exchange for a plea of guilty to lesser charges to avoid a trial. this is not so much in the uk, although note that the broadcaster stuart hall pled guilty to a number of relatively minor charges of indecent assault of minors (for example kissing a 13-year-old on the mouth) in exchange for dropping a charge of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) against an adult.
to me the worst charges might stem from the mention that women were fined if they refused to go out with certain clients, as this would imply coercion to commit acts of prostitution. no?
below is the link to the puerto plata department of prosecutions web site for anyone who is interested in following further developments.
http://pgr.gob.do/portal/default.aspx
I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is.Obviously the same kind of visa that mine has, then. Or the same kind of woman.
From talking to my people on the scene, nobody was worried about the pimping charge. Once "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" was brought in everybody said Peter was in deep shit now. Peter is on three of my girls Facebook pages, and they just removed him yesterday. When I saw his picture back then and asked about it, they all said he was a good guy. Now everybody is running from him saying crazy shit but just last year he was perfect.
He even did right by most people here. I just can't throw him under the bus as quickly ad some people have done, I'm sorry.
DeepMmpactt
07-25-13, 19:59
Your quote about speakingnto peters family, is from cubadave. He has since backed off his statement, after reading the report about human trafficing.I was wondering by your post, did Peters family actually inform you? It implies by your quote Mr E, that they personally informed you. Or were you quoting Cuba Dave? Also I was wondering, Someone mentioned Dlatins getting raided, and the women and men divided up. IDs were being checked My question is " I never carry my passport, only a fake throw away wallet with a couple thousand pesos in it, If I were asked for it I wonder would the cops allow me to go to my hotel and get it? Or should I carry a photocopy of it? Any thoughts?
Combo is absolutely right pimping is AGAINST the law.
Once again you see how somebody breaking the law and is arrested immediately 99. 9% of the replies are about the corruption in the DR and how the owner did not pay off the right people. It's never about BREAKING THE LAW. Nobody on this site replying has a clue about all the charges that may or may not be brought against him but most always point to corruption. Amazing isn't it. Some Mongers come down get drunk, look to buy dope and in some cases get arrested for varies reasons and its the 99. 9% of the replies are the police are corrupt. The 99. 9% never have any facts to back up their claims because its always second, third hand. On and on information. Look at the recent posts of a guy who they claimed was still in jail-passport taken-stuck in DR at his girlfriends. Turned out ALL FALSE concerning him being stuck in Jail and NOT having his passport and having to pay 60, 000 peso's. His friend replied on this site that he was arrested but didn't pay 60, 000 pesos and is back in the USA. I will believe his friend because after that post the bullshit all stopped concerning the issue.
Alot of poster make me laugh how in their country the police are honest and not corrupt and none of these things would happen in THEIR COUNTRY. But we all know if you got the money you can almost get away with anything anywhere.
This site is more of a rumor mill about Sosua than anything else.
So go to Sosua act like a gentleman and respect all the people of the Dominican Republic because you are their guest and you will be fine. Tourism is their bread and butter.
As I have often stated I have never had a problem with the authorities in any way and have been visiting the Dominican Republic for many years. Take care and enjoy this beautiful country.What did the owner of Passions do different, to were he was arrested? Passions has been there for years. Its no secret to what goes on there.
SavePros321
07-25-13, 20:36
I thought you were going to tell us what exactly happen to your boy?And he said he was going to post a photo of the chica that got his friend locked up once his friend returned to the US. Nothing so far.
What did the owner of Passions do different, to were he was arrested? Passions has been there for years. Its no secret to what goes on there.The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.
You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money.In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.
That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes at Passions or any other place. But I know if I did own one of those places I would probably have a Dominican partner and follow the law to the letter.
Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay as is often done here by some members.
The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.
You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money.
That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. It's none of my business. In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.
Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay.Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.
Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.I've gone to 305 girls were gorgeous but 100 US no thanks. Picked up streetwalkers they were nice.
So I have been to a brothel in Santo Domingo but never got a girl there. If that's what they do the same thing can happen to them. I cannot verify that.
Let time tell the full story.
"During the raid the police encountered, as they announced. 32 girls who were forced to offer sexual services.
The police freed them from their precarious situation, as informed the police".
Why does it say that the girls were forced to offer sexual services? I think it's not true but but I don't live in Sosùa.
"the police freed them from their precarious situation.". Are they serious. I broke into laughter when I read this because it's not true, it is?
Please tell me what you know of how it works.
Thanks
Why does it say that the girls were forced to offer sexual services? I think it's not true but but I don't live in Sosùa.If you read the initial press release very carefully, it states that the police seized records of the girls being fined if they failed or refused to go out with customers.
If you read the initial press release very carefully, it states that the police seized records of the girls being fined if they failed or refused to go out with customers.I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.
You could came across Passion's girls past midnight if you were in Classico. Better Rates then.
The law states that there is no pimping of women. They are independent contractors who "Rent Space / Room". Therefore the customer pays them then they give the "rent" to the establishment. That is how it is done. It is also done that way in Costa Rica. Otherwise if you are the owner you are "pimping" when you receive the money directly from the customer.
You can say whatever-but that's how they get around the Pimping law. He didn't do it. I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I took one girl from there I PAID THE BARTENDER not the girl the money. In "FIELD OF DREAMS" I gave the money directly to the girl. That is how it is properly done.
That being said I do not know the owner so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes at Passions or any other place. But I know if I did own one of those places I would probably have a Dominican partner and follow the law to the letter.
Time will tell exactly what happened I will not exploit someone problems with pure speculation and hearsay as is often done here by some members.If that was the case. Passion should of been closed down a long time ago. The bartender has been collecting the money from clients fir years.
I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.I think the terms of employment for bar staff might allow the employer to sanction them if they refused to serve the customer with a drink, but it is a bit different punishing them financially for refusing to have sex with client, because the laws that govern prostitution are a bit different from the laws that govern other types of employment. In fact, you can't employ someone as a prostitute at all. That is why it is significant that investigators found pay packets and records of deductions for refusing to go out with clients, showing that these women were employees and not independent contractors who rented space like a hairdresser might rent a chair in the US or UK.
If the women were independent contractors, it would be up to them to decide which men they would go with, how much they would charge, and what acts they would perform.
At least that is what the prosecution will probably argue.
Look, pimping and running brothels is illegal in the Dominican Republic, although until recently the government has not enforced the existing laws. The defense for Peter Jensen may well argue that he was not running a brothel, pimping, pandering, or trafficking in human beings, but presumably there will be witnesses who will testify and decisions will be made on points of law.
I don't know enough about the Dominican legal system or political system to know for sure what the outcome will be, but my feeling is that if the top level of the Dominican political class is determined to close down brothels, then they are likely to appoint members of the judiciary who will get the job done.
I understand. But tell me, in the first place, are the girls forced to "work" in the Bar. It would be wrong then but if not, it's house rule.
You could came across Passion's girls past midnight if you were in Classico. Better Rates then.It is like Angeles city bars. Yes, the girls are free to decide if they will go and have sex with a specific person or not. Yes, they are free to leave and go work elsewhere. Yes, they have the choice to be runners or non providers of sex in spite of barfine. Yes, they can promise anything in the bar to be barfined and come out with all sorts of excuses why they cannot have sex (Excuses are numerous to list).
These are the facts.
In Passions, yes, they are not bonded girls. Yes, they have set hours. Yes, they can choose who they will have sex with. Yes, they rent the cubicles supposedly for massage. Yes, they are working there of their own free will in spite of the whole world knowing what guys go there for. (it is definitely not to have drink and shoot the breeze with girls). Definitely have other kind of shooting in mind.
But in reality,
1. No such kind of set will make money and be popular if girls refuse to have sex with at least 80% of the men. As far as I know none were refused sex.
2. Girls will not have repeat customers if they do not perform well to satisfy the customers.
3. Not every girl who shows up at the bar will be hired. There is definitely certain requisites like beauty, body proportions are required. (Given is majority of passions girls are pretty)
4. I am sure girls are required to work overtime if the ration of girls fall for one reason or another although her time of work finished at 12 midnight. (most common reason for less girls will be menses)
5. Management will never tolerate any girl who refuses to follow rules like making guys happy. Whole business depends on this. I am sure many a girls are fired for this reason.
6. Disgruntled girls for one reason are another complain to police and other agencies. This exact thing happened to a fellow monger who ran his own personal harem in Cebu, Philippines.
7. Passions is not a legit massage place although that is what is written outside.
8. I am sure even BB resort will get into trouble sooner or later. It is also like a " brothel " in spite of masqueraded as a resort with hostesses.
9. These days bribing or political connection can go only so far. When push comes to shove even the bribed officials and political connection will turn their backs on them.
In closing there is some pressure on the girls if they want to make money and keep their jobs.
7. Passions is not a legit massage place although that is what is written outside.Actually it only says "Bar and Spa" outside and massage is not mentioned as far as I know. It is not entirely clear to me what Spa means, although it is often taken to mean massage is available. There are hotels in the DR advertised as "Resort and Spa" or "Casino and Spa" and I think sometimes Spa just means that there is a pool or jacuzzi available.
The Web site does not mention massage, and massage is not an item offered on the menu.
http://passions-sosua.com/pwp/our-menu/
If that was the case. Passion should of been closed down a long time ago. The bartender has been collecting the money from clients fir years.The rest of the story has yet to be told. I don't go by anything other than the facts as they are reported by CREDIBLE SOURCES.
It would be interesting if the "PLACES THAT RENT SPACE / ROOMS" to the girls are shut down
Help closed because Rio won the Olympics! Simple as that!From Sosua News: "The owner (of Passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. It is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. All part of the big plan to improve Sosúa for tourism."
Puerto Plata doesn't have the Olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside Puerto Plata is set to open in the coming year. (http://www.carnival.com/Funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx). When it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. Besides the fort, the teleferico, Ocean World and a tour of Brugal, there isn't that much to do. Cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. That leaves Sosua. Someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. Perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. Perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.
From Sosua News: "The owner (of Passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. It is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. All part of the big plan to improve Sosúa for tourism."
Puerto Plata doesn't have the Olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside Puerto Plata is set to open in the coming year. (
http://www.carnival.com/Funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx
). When it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. Besides the fort, the teleferico, Ocean World and a tour of Brugal, there isn't that much to do. Cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. That leaves Sosua. Someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. Perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. Perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.You might be onto something my friend, but I thought Maimon was getting the cruise ships?
The Web site does not mention massage, and massage is not an item offered on the menu.
http://passions-sosua.com/pwp/our-menu/Your right, no more massage. Yet, a few years ago, you could choose on the menu a one hour massage with happy ending for 1300 pesos. I did it a few times and I miss it.
"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was. The fact of the matter is modern economic development and US pressure is changing things in the DR. The monger scene as we know it will be a memory. I have never visited nor know much about Passions but I do know that to go after a well known,"bright lights" mongering spot is a clear signal of what is to come. Clearly no one in the DR is concerned with how many mongers will cancel, will not spend money, and how many girls will have to return to their shanty as a result of Passions closing. And that is just Passions. As we all know these girls talk among each other and no doubt word has gotten around the whole island that Passions was raided and closed and as a result their is more than one girl that said to herself "I am scared to go to Sosua for fear of being arrested" (whether she worked the bars or a massage spot). So she does not go to Sosua.
This is just my opinion and time will tell but global examples of the curtailing of sex travel (under the guise of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)) do not bode well for the future of Sosua.
There ya go!
The historical tour of Sosua will include a visit to the Sosua Aquarium, formerly the site of a brothel, where you can see spectacular gold fish displays, naked women swimming with sharks, and get a soothing private massage from a slim, light-skinned, depilated, young tour guide before enjoying a refreshing glass of freshly squeezed carrot juice and oatmeal, a Dominican tradition.
I ought to know the answer to that but I don't. My gf pays US$200 a year but I have never been able to get any sense out of her as to what sort of visa it is. It satisfies the cops when they check her so she is happy. It doesn't seem to say anything about "work" or "study' so maybe it is just a "temporary residence" visa, although it doesn't say that either. This is a very sensitive area for Haitians as they feel very vulnerable. Also they are told all sorts of BS by Haitian and Dominican officials, the laws and interpretations are constantly changing, and most of them have limited literacy for official jargon in minute print, so everyone is confused all the time and reluctant to discuss it with blan.
I hope someone here knows more than me about "work" visas and can answer your question.
You would probably have better luck hiring a car in Israel to drive to Iran.
You might find a private person who would rent you a car but I guess you would have to put the whole (and probably inflated) value of the car up as security.You are a wealth of information.
Where does she have to go to renew it and how long does it usually take her are they ever any problems in the process
i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.
from sosua news: "the owner (of passions) and his assistant manager are taken into custody. it is said that this raid followed on the resent closure of 16 massage parlors. all part of the big plan to improve sosúa for tourism."
puerto plata doesn't have the olympics, but the cruise ship port just outside puerto plata is set to open in the coming year. (
http://www.carnival.com/funville********p/227381/1185220.aspx
). when it does, somewhere between 3, 000-6, 000 tourists will disembark from the ships somewhere between three to five times a week. besides the fort, the teleferico, ocean world and a tour of brugal, there isn't that much to do. cabarete has a nice beach and decent restaurants, but is almost an hour away from the dock. that leaves sosua. someone may be thinking that the cruise business is better in the long term than the sex-tourist business. perhaps that all fits in well with the plan to move the beach vendors into a more tourist friendly set-up, etc. perhaps the new cruise port is a game changer.
"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was...Good post and I agree mostly, but this is the DR and I have seen them fuck up a good thing many times.
"Modern" economic development can spell doom for any industry including prostitution. I can see the cruise ships coming into POP denting, severely curtailing or eliminating prostitution in Sosua. As others have said with limited things to do in POP people will be driven to Sosua and Cabarete. And given that cruises are taken overwhelmingly by families and couples sooner or later the cries of "too many prostitutes in POP and Sosua so avoid that cruise" will drive the cruise lines to use their political connections inside and outside the USA to pressure the DR to end or eliminate our hobby. Think this is implausible? Take Thailand for example. Those of us who have been and lived there can tell you that Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy continue to get smaller and smaller in physical size. Just take a look at what those areas looked like 20 years ago-more bars, more girls. Now look at them. Reduced to only a block or so in size. And even Pattaya has built high end shopping malls (Central) and is seemingly doing things to attract more than just mongers. The Phuket sex scene is much much smaller than it was just ten years ago. And Thailand participation in ASEAN will further dent the sex trade. Look at Cambodia. It was once a haven for very very cheap working girls ($10 bucks for a girl that looked just like a Thai girl in Pattaya that wants $30). Cambodia is no longer a major monger haven as it once was. The fact of the matter is modern economic development and US pressure is changing things in the DR. The monger scene as we know it will be a memory. I have never visited nor know much about Passions but I do know that to go after a well known,"bright lights" mongering spot is a clear signal of what is to come. Clearly no one in the DR is concerned with how many mongers will cancel, will not spend money, and how many girls will have to return to their shanty as a result of Passions closing. And that is just Passions. As we all know these girls talk among each other and no doubt word has gotten around the whole island that Passions was raided and closed and as a result their is more than one girl that said to herself "I am scared to go to Sosua for fear of being arrested" (whether she worked the bars or a massage spot). So she does not go to Sosua.
This is just my opinion and time will tell but global examples of the curtailing of sex travel (under the guise of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)) do not bode well for the future of Sosua.Man people are really getting carried away because Passions closed. Read Charles Pooter post#16914, thats why Peter got locked up and Passions closed, anybody that knows the DR knows this post hit the nail on the head.
Again, I said if what happened to passion owner then you could arrest all brothel owners in Santo Domingo. There is no difference in what they do. You never pay girl directly. You pay bartender. So, let's see what happens, but I would never go to a brothel or pick up a SW in the DR. No way.Dr, is full of brothels but it seems they only interested in the ones located in tourist areas. I hope Peter hired a good lawyer who can prove that his client was targeted by proving that other brothels exist throughout the country legally.
i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.good point you guys brought up. i was forgettinng that cruise ships were going to be docking in pp soon and that could definitely change many a things. if somehow blackbeards survives, i'm buying 1000 shares of bb stock lol.
Man people are really getting carried away because Passions closed. Read Charles Pooter post#16914, thats why Peter got locked up and Passions closed, anybody that knows the DR knows this post hit the nail on the head.I respect what you are saying, but I don't think it's that simple. I can name about 50 spots thru out the DR that are doing the same thing and are still rolling. This was direct and meant to send a message to one spot. Its bigger than Passions. People are blaming this on Peter getting much too comfortable and flaunting the system but I don't believe that.
Chris Long
07-26-13, 04:58
While hanging at Rockys the other day, I witnessed a situation. The guys from Daniel Car rental brought one of their customers to Rocky to get the customer to pay them for a scooter he had rented from them. Apparentely he had made friends with some local dominican. Was letting this local hang with him. At some point he allowed the local to get close enough to trust to "borrow" the bike to allegedly go get some marijuana.
Once the local took off he hasnt been found again. Daniels car rental want $2800 to settle the matter. Hold on it gets worse. The dude was out one night and managed to have his wallet stolen. His credit card was in there. Apparently since that incident Rick and others have been lending him money. So the dude was flat broke, and in a mess over this scooter...Yes I was there when this happened as well, was talking with the well known expat who hangs out at the front of Rocky's when two unhappy looking Dominicans came in with the gringo. The expat told the gringo to go sit down in the back and wait for Rick while he called Rick the Domincans waited up front. We must of been there at the same time and were probably talking with each other. Was a real nit with stupid act by the gringo, he's very lucky he had Rick there to help him out.
Chris
Chris Long
07-26-13, 08:06
I write this report during very troubling times, it seems our hobby, our recreation, our love, our passion our reason for being is under threat all over the world from Angeles City in the Philippines to Sosua in the Dominican Republic. I certainly hope the closing of La Passions is just a bump in the road and not a major change of direction for Sosua. The signs however, are troubling and give cause for concern; the desire to bring the cruise ships into Puerto Plata filled with the traditional family tourist the local officials closing down all of the massage parlors. Supposedly for not having a massage license and not for offering the sex they were offering, to now La Passions the most visual and vocal P4P venue being shut down and even the police going into D'Latin and checking everyone's identification. I see more and more tour buses and large trucks with tourist in the back coming through Sosua, the more of them there are the less of us they will want.
Airport:
The airport has had some improvements made to it, looks much nicer now, instead of one line to pay your visa tax of $10. As you enter there are now three different booths. Didn't notice any booth giving out a free glass of rum when you arrive like before, this may be a thing of the past, airport and immigration still runs pretty smooth easy to get through, taxis or your driver is still standing to the right as you exit the airport.
Hotels:
Stayed at Ricks place, Rocky's, in the budget rooms $27 a night plus $10 a night if you want air-conditioning. Good rooms for the price, basic but has wifi in room safe and of course an excellent location. Another benefit of staying at one of Ricks places is you have his assistance if anything goes wrong. Witnessed a none chica related nit with act by a monger that got himself into hock with local Dominicans and Rick was there to help the monger out.
When it comes to your hotel room and the chicas, 'it doesn't matter' what matters to the chicas is getting paid afterwards. I've stayed in luxurious places and I've stayed at the budget places and I have noticed absolutely no difference in the deminer, attitude or the service from the chicas. The place you chose to stay is more for your own personal preference and probably won't make any difference in the service you get from the chica. If you are a butterfly and interested in sampling the nectar of a verity of Sosua flowers you may want to consider a budget room, they will be fine for the purpose. If you are looking to wife up keep a chica over night or a few days or entertain guest you may want something more. Personally when I want to do this I stay at Sosua Suites, what I like about the place is, one its right in the heart of the action and two it's like having your own apartment, separate bedroom, separate kitchen, balcony.
The Strip:
The strip was alive and active every night with a lot of vibe and energy. The strip is one block long with bars on both sides of the street and this is where all of the activity, action and freelancers are at night, it begins at the corner of Dr. Rosen drive and Pedro Clisante (sp?) and runs west for about one block on Pedro Clisante. Rumba has the crowd in the mid afternoon and early evening then later in the evening the crowd moves over to D'Latin. I love that place, on a good night D'Latin can hold its own against any monger venue throughout the world. It's an open air bar / disco the place gets completely packed with chicas and mongers you can find some very attractive women there many will try to grab you as you try to squeeze by give you the look and smile, you can walk up to any chica you see and within five minutes or less of introducing yourself you are walking hand in hand back to your room for a little horizontal mambo.
Prices:
1500 pesos for short time, one to two hours and 3000 for long time, all night. These are the standard prices however, the women in Sosua are free lancers so you can bargain with them, many are able to get them for even less. On the flip side the girls will try to get more, especially if they think you are a newbie and don't know anything they will ask for much, much more, BUT DON'T PAY MORE, I had over 15 women in four days and never paid more than 1500 for short time. A few asked for 2000 at first but I counted with 1500 and all accepted right away, hold your ground and they will all accept the above rates.
Day Time Action:
Daytimes are slow there are a few girls along the strip but not many there are a few at the beach but not in droves there will be a few in the New Garden hotel as well, you can find a chica during the day and many are attractive however it is not as plentiful as at night when the strip comes alive. Prior to the crackdown you could also find chicas at the many massage parlors that used to be all over but now with the crackdown they are all closed. La Passions used to open at noon but it is now closed due to the crackdown, CMP Club opens at 1. M.
Services:
As always Great with very few acceptations have I had a bad session with a chica in the DR, it has happened but not often, BBBJ, DATY and DFK with all the girls I had and in over three years of visiting the DR I don't think I have ever had a CBJ. But, I ALWAYS interview my chicas first and let them know that I expect these services at the above prices, you never pay extra for these services.
GFE:
Yes it is still possible, I have seen where many of the Sosua vets talk about how easy it was to get a chica long term meet her family treat you like you are the love of her life and never expect a thing in return. I witnessed just that on this trip as my wingman met a none P4P chica his first night ended up spending his entire trip with her met some of her family she gave him great sex and in the end didn't ask for a thing from him.
La Passions Closing:
This is very troubling and gives one cause for concern. I was there Friday night and unfortunately that may be the last time. I usually frequented the place only once on every trip as I prefer the vibe the energy and the freelance action along the strip and almost always picked up in Rumbas or later in the night at D'Latin. But it was nice to know that La Passions was there as a backup if nothing appealed to me along the strip.
Final Thoughts:
The strip was alive and well with lots of energy excitement and vibe as always. The chicas were hot fun to be with and delivering good sex at a good price as usual. However, there are some troubling signs. The airport improvements certainly are not to impress mongers but in anticipation of increased traditional tourist. The desire to bring the cruise ships into Puerto Plata the increased number of tour buses driving through Sosua with traditional tourist. The closing of all the massage parlors, supposedly for not having a massage license and not for the sex they were actually selling, the closing of La Passions, the reason of which is still not clear, the police entering D'Latin and checking every ones identification. All these could just be coincidences, a miner irritation, or the beginning of the end to Sosua as we know and love it. Personally I'm going to choose to be an optimist. I don't believe Sosua as we know and love it will ever go away. I believe the strip the freelancers the vibe the energy the excitement will always be there, it may change and adapt but it will always exist in some form or fashion.
Chris
ThunderStar
07-26-13, 12:53
firstly mr pooter,
then you are not impartial like me and your views carry less weight. i hope you will be one of those supportive friends thunderstar was calling for (from the safety of rural england).
i can't believe that you know what part of england i am from and if it is rural or not, nor how safe an area i live in?
so. it's interesting that you pass comment on things you just don't know about.
but hey. we all do that on these type of boards.
as i said on another board, i think it's sad that so many people are "sticking the knife in" when peters situation is so difficult for him.
there are loads of laws that are not enforced in all countries in the world, however this week the dr has just picked on a large "spa" run by a gringo for at least 9 years and thrown him in jail. as so many in the sosua forums on all boards have partied in his place over the years, i personally find that a little disingenuous.
am i a friend of peters? well, ish, a few messages on fb every now and then and a few social drinks outside of his bar, i've even given him a lift once! but. real friends. not really.
am i glad like so many others appear to be that he is "fucked" right now? no. even though i and my wife haven't "partied" in his place for a few years we will always stop in for a drink or two and to say hi.
morally. in that town, his business has to be one of the best when it comes to sex. it's off the street, in a clean smart environment. yes it's run with an iron fist, but i can't imagine you can run a successful business any other way in that town.
morally. unless things have drastically changed in the last few months and **** girls or drugs have been introduced (which i can't believe for a moment. why would you risk all of that for a few extra $$$?) then peter is in the right.
now legally. that maybe a different matter.
as another poster said, i'm sure there are more twists and turns to come in this story.
Don Antonio
07-26-13, 13:24
Let me just jump in here.
Dominican visas for Haitians living in the North Coast are most easily obtained at the Dominican consulate in Ouanaminthe.
Get there early, around 9 am, present passport, application, fee and you should receive everything back around 2 pm in the afternoon.
In time to cross-back into the DR before the border crossing closes at 4 pm.
I did it about two years ago with my then girlfriend in tow. We left Sosua at 5 am (public, guagua) , crossed into Haiti around 11 am, stayed the night, presented everything to the consulate and were ready to go in the afternoon.
There are also Haitians who will do all the leg work for a fee. You send them the paper work and money by Caribe Express, they submit everything and return passport with visa a few days later. These guys are very reliable and can save you the time and expense of physically having to travel.
You are a wealth of information.
Where does she have to go to renew it and how long does it usually take her are they ever any problems in the process
Ath Trainer
07-26-13, 13:47
Cruise ships arrive in the am and are long gone by dark. The tourists don't rent hotel rooms, or partake of nightlife. Cruises are mostly in the winter time. This is the slow season.
There are legal brothels in st martin. When the ships come in, the girls are busy during the day. When no ship in port, day are slow, and they rely on locals and vacationers at night.
They may be trying to clean up the beach area to attrack the family tourists by day. Move the action off the streets, into the clubs, at night. Wht passions was hit is a mystery. No real change in how they were doing business. Not in the tourist area. Off the beaten path.
Ath Trainer
07-26-13, 13:52
Tropical storm dorian brewing in the area. Looks like its going to pass right north of the island next week. Effects of the storm tracking over the entire island. I'm scheduled to arrive Monday. Considering rebooking for the next wk. Any thoughts?
Alex Deuce
07-26-13, 13:58
Passions was disgusting. Good Riddance to it and anything like it.
I respect what you are saying, but I don't think it's that simple. I can name about 50 spots thru out the DR that are doing the same thing and are still rolling. This was direct and meant to send a message to one spot. Its bigger than Passions. People are blaming this on Peter getting much too comfortable and flaunting the system but I don't believe that.Mr. Pooter's theory that Peter brought this on by a display of conspicuous consumption may be right. I don't know Peter, have never met him, and have no opinion on the matter, though I concede that this may have contributed to making Passion's a target, but I brought the board's attention to this article some weeks ago in which the attorney general stated an intention to wipe out commercial prostitution networks and actually made mention of ongoing operations in Sosua among other places.
Application of Occam's razor might be the best policy.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2013/05/20/i384476_are-going-put-end-networks-prostitution.html
Gogo. Can you list the other 50 spots doing the same thing in the DR? Had no idea there were so many places operating on similar lines.
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Charles Pooter
07-26-13, 16:42
But I would not rule out a Houdini escape from the situation. Nothing in this topsy-turvy country surprises me.Strong rumors from normally sensible people that Passions will be open again by the weekend.
But no news specifically of Peter and Mariela.
For all I know Passions may be dispensing with the chicas and alcohol and just be selling natural fruit juice and vegetarian burgers.
So long as they get rid of their deafening music and free the goldfish I could live with that.
Gogo, explain more. What do you think is happening. I want you to share your thoughts of what is happening.Is it a coincidence that the vendors being moved out from the beach for remodeling also at the same time as arguably the biggest supplier if chicas in Sosua is arrested? With the beach closed its the perfect time to reinvent a new Sosua. I have to be careful here; but look who has purchased the big super market on the main highway (by out bidding several prominent Dominicans) , look who has been quietly buying up big parcels of real estate? Sosua is in transition. Will it work? I don't know.
mr. pooter's theory that peter brought this on by a display of conspicuous consumption may be right. i don't know peter, have never met him, and have no opinion on the matter, though i concede that this may have contributed to making passion's a target, but i brought the board's attention to this article some weeks ago in which the attorney general stated an intention to wipe out commercial prostitution networks and actually made mention of ongoing operations in sosua among other places.
application of occam's razor might be the best policy.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2013/05/20/i384476_are-going-put-end-networks-prostitution.html
gogo. can you list the other 50 spots doing the same thing in the dr? had no idea there were so many places operating on similar lines.frannie, i read your link the guy sounds serious, but he said he wants to clean up sousa and especially, boca chica. boca chica is terrible. it reminds me of place that has seen better days. no tourists is visiting that spot for a nice relaxing and fun vacation. i do not know what he will clean up speedos. just joking, but i go sometimes on sundays when i am there, but it just is not that nice of place to spend a lot of time there. some of these places like boca chica with no sex tourism they will have very limited revenue opportunities. no nice resorts will pop up in boca chica crackdown or not. maybe he hopes more paying locals vacation in boca chica i do not get it.
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i posted this about 2 months ago. the big boys are looking for the birds in the bushes. there may be something coming that will make sosua work to enhance the cruise opportunity. often these plans turn to shit in the dr but dr is on par with the us when it comes to greed. i remember 42 st in ny 20 years ago. peep shows, sex shows and low lifes. look at it now. you never know. i say enjoy it while you can.this makes sense. the puerto plata area needs to enhance its image for the lucrative cruise ships.
guess what. obvious brothels are not good for big spending tourists. clearly they outspend budget mongering tourists (me included). respect dr's gov push which in my idealistic mind means more jobs for the locals.
there are plenty of other spots for budget mongering with hot young chicas.
I asked a dominican contact what he knows about what going on. This is his statement :
"This is all politics they say that they found drugs, minors and 32 girls held against their will. We all know that these are all lies.
Peter and his wife are the owners and they are both still in jail.
Everyone here is quite upset about this because Passions is one of the most organized business of it's kind in the country.
Everyone here is waiting to see what happens".
I am sure peter is no a saint but I also doubt he is forcing any of these girls into the sex trade. It is greedy Dominicans who horde the national wealth and create an enviroment where young girls selling their bodies is necessary. Almost everyone of those girls was on the street the next night selling pussy at DLatins, I personally depise pimps. However Peter provided structure to many of these girls lives and gave them a better enviroment to practice their trade. Dominican men have a reputation of not treating their women very well and have created a country where many of their daughters have to sell pussy to survive. You are blaming the wrong people.
Typical white man apologist showing no consideration for the home country. Its all about me getting sex. Forget everybody else.
Alex Deuce
07-26-13, 17:26
If you have been in DR or Reading the forum the last few months the Haitian raids nor Passions being shut down comes as no surprise; Especially viewing what was said before, during and after the elections, the minister of justices comments, the head of the national polices comments and upcoming opening of the cruise ship ports. Not to mention Peter being a complete dick having Haters all throughout the Dominican political structure.
It's pretty simple for high visible areas, public brothels are 100% illegal. It doesn't matter what happens in the non tourist sections they don't want it in full view of tourist. Those mentioning anything about that not being fair are Naive and intellectually dishonest. The job of prosecutor by its very nature is a political process viewing limited resources.
What's been said overtly is: Any third party that takes a dime from the transaction of prostitution will be prosecuted as well as an expansion of pandering to include johns. All in the name if stamping out [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). As well as DR increased activity as a major drug hub for the Caribbean. Some argue with me but DR is filled with an alphabet soup of foreign agencies funding and assisting the clean up.
SavePros321
07-26-13, 18:19
Tropical storm dorian brewing in the area. Looks like its going to pass right north of the island next week. Effects of the storm tracking over the entire island. I'm scheduled to arrive Monday. Considering rebooking for the next wk. Any thoughts?You are just going to have to go with your gut tells you. You could very well get stuck at the airport before you even get to the DR (the airline is not going to put their aircraft and passengers in potential danger).
i do not know whether he will clean up speedos.i presume you are referring to speedos, or brief one piece swim suits worn by men, usually from europe, or in swimming competitions.
http://www.speedousa.com/family/index.jsp?cp=3124322.3124332.11859612&categoryid=3124359
i grew up in europe, but also lived for over 30 years in the caribbean and in the usa. i have been a lap swimmer for decades.
growing up in europe everyone-every male swimmer or sunbather-wore briefs and it was never an issue with anyone, and i never remember anyone commenting on the outline of another man's genitals, or anything like that. when i came to live on the western bank of the atlantic, i found that people from the us always wore surfer shorts due to the fact that they were embarrassed that brief swimsuits might outline their genitalia, or lack of, to public view.
brief bathing trunks have absolutely no such connotation in europe, where nude beaches are pretty common too, but i am not sure what pertains in the dr. a lot of dominicans don't have swimsuits, so they just jump in the ocean or pool in shorts, t-shirts, and whatever casual gear they are wearing.
swimming briefs or speedos are very practical if you swim a lot as they dry quickly and can be worn underneath shorts as underwear or as a support garment. they also make it possible to get an almost full body sun tan, which surfer shorts certainly don't.
i suspect that dominicans think that speedos on the beach suggest homosexuality, but i doubt whether they really see italian tourists wearing briefs as an urgent matter of public policy or as something that affects tourism, otherwise they would surely be banning women's bikinis too.
i usually wear surfer shorts these days, but would prefer briefs for swimming.
do you personally find swimming briefs offensive and would you divert your family from a beach where they were in evidence?
i presume you are referring to speedos, or brief one piece swim suits worn by men, usually from europe, or in swimming competitions.
http://www.speedousa.com/family/index.jsp?cp=3124322.3124332.11859612&categoryid=3124359
i grew up in europe, but also lived for over 30 years in the caribbean and in the usa. i have been a lap swimmer for decades.
growing up in europe everyone-every male swimmer or sunbather-wore briefs and it was never an issue with anyone, and i never remember anyone commenting on the outline of another man's genitals, or anything like that. when i came to live on the western bank of the atlantic, i found that people from the us always wore surfer shorts due to the fact that they were embarrassed that brief swimsuits might outline their genitalia, or lack of, to public view.
brief bathing trunks have absolutely no such connotation in europe, where nude beaches are pretty common too, but i am not sure what pertains in the dr. a lot of dominicans don't have swimsuits, so they just jump in the ocean or pool in shorts, t-shirts, and whatever casual gear they are wearing.
swimming briefs or speedos are very practical if you swim a lot as they dry quickly and can be worn underneath shorts as underwear or as a support garment. they also make it possible to get an almost full body sun tan, which surfer shorts certainly don't.
i suspect that dominicans think that speedos on the beach suggest homosexuality, but i doubt whether they really see italian tourists wearing briefs as an urgent matter of public policy or as something that affects tourism, otherwise they would surely be banning women's bikinis too.
i usually wear surfer shorts these days, but would prefer briefs for swimming.
do you personally find swimming briefs offensive and would you divert your family from a beach where they were in evidence?just a joke please do not take offense. i do not care what people wear on the beach. i am for whatever makes you comfortable. to answer your question, on what domincans think of men wearing speedos. i do not think they think men who wear speedos are homosexual. but, who cares again i do not care what people wear. i know women there care more on what you give them then on what you wear. that is a fact. you could walk around in a space suit if you make a dominican women happy she will go anywhere with you. now, you might get some looks wearing that but if you got a hot girl with you you might start seeing more people wearing space suits. my point, do you because whe cares on what anybody thinks.
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just a joke please do not take offense. i do not care what people wear on the beach.no offense taken, but i am just interested in what people find offensive and this is not the first time speedos have been mentioned on this board as something apparently distasteful to some people. personally i would not even notice what people are wearing on the beach unless it was brought to my attention by someone else.
there is no limit to what people will take offense at. back in the early 60's when the beatles and the rolling stones were something new, if we saw a man wearing long hair, my dad would stiffen like a hunting dog sighting a target and say something like: "is that a man or a woman? are you sure?" and give every appearance of being under great stress and anxiety, when it was perfectly obvious that the guy was a guy. that was how men of his generation who served in world war ii were conditioned to behave, but now such a thing seems quite absurd. the speedo thing seems like that to me.
no offense taken, but i am just interested in what people find offensive and this is not the first time speedos have been mentioned on this board as something apparently distasteful to some people. personally i would not even notice what people are wearing on the beach unless it was brought to my attention by someone else.
there is no limit to what people will take offense at. back in the early 60's when the beatles and the rolling stones were something new, if we saw a man wearing long hair, my dad would stiffen like a hunting dog sighting a target and say something like: "is that a man or a woman? are you sure?" and give every appearance of being under great stress and anxiety, when it was perfectly obvious that the guy was a guy. that was how men of his generation who served in world war ii were conditioned to behave, but now such a thing seems quite absurd. the speedo thing seems like that to me.i do not think it is offensive, i think it is about confidence. i think some people are insecure about there body so they try to cover it up. for some people, wearing more makes them more confident about themselves. now, i am going to say something that will sound crazy. my fear with speedos for me i am playing with a chica and i get a hard on to me it would seem it would be harder for me to hide it. i do not want to walk around and people see i have a hard dick. that would seem offensive to me. i know that sounds crazy but that is my fear how do you hide a hard dick in speedos. i have to stay in the water until i calm down. you guys know when you in the water playing with a girl and she turns you on. i know that has happen to many of you. i am serious. i know this is not a board discussion so you do not have to answer because i know the board will be what the fuck is going on here why are you guys talking about that lol.
Oh, those days are gone on this thread.
Nothing left but arguing and bullshit!
Oh, those days are gone on this thread.
Nothing left but arguing and bullshit!Looks like she has an itchy ass! No one is being stopped from posting trip reports. Meanwhile there is lots of information about the current state of play in Sosua.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2009/08/17/nude-beaches/_jcr_content/image.img.2000.jpg/1337256000000.cached.jpg
DeepMmpactt
07-26-13, 20:59
I got a very strange, and unusual request, hope I don't get locked up for this idea. How about us pretending this is a "chat hoard" and further moregoing to "Sosua" then posting (I'm redundant I know) but high lights, low lights or no lights at all. Just imagine an "actual live trip report" Wow gives me goosebumps", Shoutout to Chris Long for bringing out a rarety an actual "trip reports with photos" (Un believable!) Maybe aliens do exists! Tomjackin ill be right behind you with a 5 day, Sosua trip in Oct 12-17th, If any of you are in the area, I will try and report my finding. Okay back to our regularly schedule programming "racist blacks vs gringos" and racist gringos vs blacks" Mr Gogo great positive spin, but you've been on this board a helluva lot longer than I have and this rumor ridden racist shit will never stop. I don't think its been reported (no less than a million times) Peter have been arrested and Passions shut down.
You don't even have a clue about cruise ships and their customers habits, Or maybe I'm wrong and like the investigation you can give us the rundown on : How much more will be spent from the Love Boat vs Lovin'Mongers. Go ahead I'm waiting GOPHER.Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?
Can you guess?
No! Cuban cigars! What were you thinking?
Alex Deuce
07-26-13, 22:25
You don't even have a clue about cruise ships and their customers habits, Or maybe I'm wrong and like the investigation you can give us the rundown on : How much more will be spent from the Love Boat vs Lovin'Mongers. Go ahead I'm waiting GOPHER.Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel
Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.
But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in development.
ConquerorVal
07-26-13, 22:39
I had over 15 women in four days
ChrisWow that is quite impressive. Morning, day and night I guess. Your reports as always are very practical and useful, which does not seem to be the direction this thread has been heading for some time. Keep up the great work and fantastic photos. I also enjoyed your Pattaya and Bangkok contributions.
Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.
Ath Trainer
07-26-13, 23:27
Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.Suppose to be low season but ng only has rooms in the old section next wk, double beds. The following wk, sold out.
Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?
Can you guess?
No! Cuban cigars! What were you thinking?I just wanted to hear the Shysters' answer-I've been on cruise ships.the people basically eat-eat-eat. When the people disembark there will be plenty of restaurants and shops all over Puerta Plata for people to go to. Also your right about wealth-most of the people are not wealthy and are not going to travel to Sosua. What attraction is there for them to see? A beach Puerta Plata has beaches too.
You got me with the Cigars-cause you know where my mind was HEADED-HEE-HEE
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Alex Deuce
07-26-13, 23:53
Cruise ship passengers are typically not wealthy and enjoy cruises because they are all-inclusive. Add to that the name of the game for cruise ship operators is to fleece their cargo of what spending money they have left via the on-ship bars, casinos, shops, beauty salons, etc. Tickets for day excursions on land are typically sold on board for double the price that they would actually cost if you bought them on land. There is only one thing that they can't offer on board. What could that be?
Can you guess?
No! Cuban cigars! What were you thinking?Sorry! Wrong again. Average passengers, married mid 50's income above 75k. 1/5 of passengers stay on ship due to cost of excursions. The 4/5 that do exit are higher income earners in the mid 100k with more disposable income fully partaking of amenities available at port along with thier children adding to revenue. Few men on cruises seek off for p4p. Its matrimonial suicide. FYI.
Once again, monger dollars mean shit to the tax base and local economy in contrast to family tourism. That's a blatant misrepresentation.
Wow that is quite impressive. Morning, day and night I guess. Your reports as always are very practical and useful, which does not seem to be the direction this thread has been heading for some time. Keep up the great work and fantastic photos. I also enjoyed your Pattaya and Bangkok contributions.Ah yes.the strip is still poppin' and the prices seem very reasonable-Good ole' Sosua. Thanks again Chris those pics put a smile on my face.
Went for a weekend and stayed at Wilfrieds place Casa Cayana. As always the hospitality is five stars and the breakfast is slammin in the morning. Great location and hope it goes well for my friend. Hooked up with two cuties. Both freaks in the bed but the one with the frizzy hair has a slammin bod. Everyone says its the low season and I really felt like a piece of meat in a croc nest walking down Pedro Cilisante. Ol clasicos is history. Damn shame. I had some good times in that joint. Mr. Gogo and I would have a few drinks next door and in predator mode as the hoochies walked by. Can't say too much else Cris Long pretty much sums it up below.Ahhh! The good old days. Latinos was the warmup spot while we waited for the Olympic starters to arrive as the arena (Classicos) opened at 11pm. Latinos from 10pm to 11:30pm had a few holdouts making early bids. Latinos was like a track meet as the girls circled the floor. Oh shit! Put the chewing gum away, hide the cigs, tuck the phone. These were props that the chicas zeroed in on to start a conversation and give you the"please fuck me" eyes. Luckily my girl was the bartender so I had an excuse. Latinos had a disco that opened at midnight that was the stop after Classicos and before "After one".
Then we took the stairways to heaven, Classicos. The door opened to reveal another world. The finest girls, this must be heaven. Excuse me I have to go get some more tissue.
What I like about Chris is he is always positive and having fun. Sosua is a great vehicle for it. For the money I am not sure it can be beat. It is custom made for us. I say enjoy and appreciate it. Sure there are other options and I love them to. However if you just want to go bang attractive young women with no ties go to Sosau young man. Passions will be opened or replaced with out a doubt. How they operated for so long is surprising but there scores of casas in SD that have the same business model still running.I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua. I think it does a great job for the average monger. All you need is cash and hard dick. You are in business.
Ah yes.the strip is still poppin' and the prices seem very reasonable-Good ole' Sosua. Thanks again Chris those pics put a smile on my face.
What I like about Chris is he is always positive and having fun. Sosua is a great vehicle for it. For the money I am not sure it can be beat. It is custom made for us. I say enjoy and appreciate it. Sure there are other options and I love them to. However if you just want to go bang attractive young women with no ties go to Sosau young man. Passions will be opened or replaced with out a doubt. How they operated for so long is surprising but there scores of casas in SD that have the same business model still running.I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua. I think it does a great job for the average monger. All you need is cash and hard dick. You are in business.Yup. Always has excellent videos as well.
Finally! Someone making some sense on this board!
Thank you Mr. Gogo.
I know Chris Long has a report and I will be there later in August.I just want to say Tom, Gogo, Frannie, Charles and all the Sousa vets I hope you all do not take offense to me talking on the Sousa board every so often. I have not been to Sousa, but I read all your posts. Got much love for your all and all the great information you provide. I am serious it helps me a lot. What got me started is when passion was closed. It is more personally to me in that I have only gone to a few brothels St Theresa and 305 in Santo Domingo and those place those girls played games a little bit by leaving early and the other one put so many restrictions on me I felt I should pay myself to beat off. Then I read your board and I heard people say they complained to peter the next day and he gave them a refund I was like really. That did not happen to me. Finally, overall I agree changes are coming Santo Domingo you need to be smart and safe it is big city and crime rate is up there. It is a city becoming haves and have nots. Honestly, when you think about it if your a police officer and they give you 6, 000 7, 000 pesos a month in salary. I do not blame them for stopping people and asking for some pesos. I would do it. But, everyone wants to be a great country but if your corrupt and you do not give back bad things will happen. Look at Brazil, they want the World Cup and Olympics. They got it, but look what happened people took to the streets all over the country over a 9 cents bus hike. 9 cents. They said enough so they better be careful because people are not stupid. Just like DR you can shut down establishments to get tourism dollars and make a few people rich but you do not give back. A tourist walks off the property and gets robbed and shot by a desperate criminal now people do not want to come. Sorry just my thoughts later.
Charles Pooter
07-27-13, 03:01
I have never been able to understand why so many guys are sour about Sosua . all you need is . hard dick.I think you just answered your own question.
I hardly ever go there now, and never to find chicas, but in my earlier years here I was there a lot and knew well many repeat visitors who posted on this and other boards. And I knew at least three who stopped going to Sosua and started dissing it on the boards. The reason was the same in each case. They got infatuated with, and inevitably disappointed by, specific putas. I used to tell them, blame the chicas, or blame yourselves, but don't blame the town because you were easy marks.
Another group is those who used to go to Brazil but cannot afford to go there now. Why blame Sosua because Brazil has progressed economically at a faster rate than they have, and get all bitter about it?
I think you have to have modicum of common sense and a minimum of racial prejudice to get the best out of Sosua.
I think you just answered your own question.
I hardly ever go there now, and never to find chicas, but in my earlier years here I was there a lot and knew well many repeat visitors who posted on this and other boards. And I knew at least three who stopped going to Sosua and started dissing it on the boards. The reason was the same in each case. They got infatuated with, and inevitably disappointed by, specific putas. I used to tell them, blame the chicas, or blame yourselves, but don't blame the town because you were easy marks.
Another group is those who used to go to Brazil but cannot afford to go there now. Why blame Sosua because Brazil has progressed economically at a faster rate than they have, and get all bitter about it?
I think you have to have modicum of common sense and a minimum of racial prejudice to get the best out of Sosua.Charles great post I agree with all your points. The only thing I would say yes Brazil is doing well more expensive, but most people are not getting that benefit who live there. That is why you see the protests now. On your other points I agree it is all about you. You all see my posts I could care less about any crack down. I meet hot chicks in la Sirena. I use to hang out in Rochina so I always wanted the cute good girl from the barrio who had real corazon. So, no effect to me, but I just more concerned about crime going up that is not good for none of us.
This is the most action on the site in a long time. Passions going down is like loosing a friend. This is the party after the funeral. I never used Passions so for me it is no big deal but I still mourn Clasicos. That place was legiondary. I will never see so many 8, 9 10 in one spot. The place never failed to blow my mind. Sadly we never had a funeral because we refused to believe it was gone. I was at a mall today with my boys looking at women. MY boys have been brain washed to only consider the 35 plus girls LOL. So when we saw the hot young ones they pretended they would not bang them. If they only knew. VIVA Sousa
Mr Enternational
07-27-13, 06:33
Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel
Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.
But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in developmentWhen I got off the boat in Ocho Rios, Jamaica this billboard was one of the first things I saw. My question to one of the locals was where do I find that? It said NITE club for a reason. As someone else said, by night fall the ships are long gone. Also, if a boat docks in Puerto Plata I can't see people being transported all the way to Sosua. Usually the cruise ship people will stay in the general area and buy some rip off souvenirs for the few hours that they are in port. In Jamaica they built a shopping complex for the sole purpose to rip off tourists. When the girls working in the store told me the price of a pint of liquor was $8 I got smart and went outside to ask a local where the liquor store was. He said to go to the grocery store which was 1 block away. Me and my friends went there and the same damn liquor was $3.
I don't see anything seedy about Sosua in its present form. It is not like you see people fucking in the middle of the street. Hell, half the guys who go there can't find Passions without a motorbike driver. Even if the group did go to Sosua, no cruise tourist is going to go exploring that far down the street. And 2000 cruise ship tourists wandering around Sosua would look like a cluster fuck. Not to mention in a lot of places there will be 2 or 3 other boats docked at the same time. So 6000 tourists tripping over each other in Sosua?
The Mind Bender
07-27-13, 06:50
. If you are looking to wife up keep a chica over night or a few days or entertain guest you may want something more. Personally when I want to do this I stay at Sosua Suites, what I like about the place is, one its right in the heart of the action and two it's like having your own apartment, separate bedroom, separate kitchen, balcony.Would you recommend Rocky's rooms as a good spot for GFE? I got a "girlfriend" who I want to stay with me for a few days on my next trip and I'm looking for a nice alternative to New Garden.
What are the rooms like? Modern or old?
The Mind Bender
07-27-13, 06:54
This is the most action on the site in a long time. Passions going down is like loosing a friend. This is the party after the funeral. I never used Passions so for me it is no big deal but I still mourn Clasicos. That place was legiondary. I will never see so many 8, 9 10 in one spot. The place never failed to blow my mind. Sadly we never had a funeral because we refused to believe it was gone. I was at a mall today with my boys looking at women. MY boys have been brain washed to only consider the 35 plus girls LOL. So when we saw the hot young ones they pretended they would not bang them. If they only knew. VIVA SousaMan I loved hanging out in Winner Circle (when it was the spot) and watching all the girls line up at Classicos.
Passions was always secondary for me but a good bet if I didn't feel like going to the strip
Honestly, when you think about it if your a police officer and they give you 6, 000 7, 000 pesos a month in salary. I do not blame them for stopping people and asking for some pesos. I would do it.Are you fucking serious?
If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!
I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!
Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.
Chris Long
07-27-13, 10:11
Would you recommend Rocky's rooms as a good spot for GFE? I got a "girlfriend" who I want to stay with me for a few days on my next trip and I'm looking for a nice alternative to New Garden.
What are the rooms like? Modern or old?For that you want Mary Rose more exclusive better accomodations.
Are you fucking serious?
If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!
I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!
Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.Tom, sorry I hit a nerve. I am just telling you from my observation. I do not agree with police shaking people down, but I understand and not surprised. Go to santo domingo, go to some of the hot clubs on Venezuela and you see a lot people with a lot of money with 4 or 5 bottles of black label at there table for the night that is 5, 000 or 6, 000 pesos. Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month. I am not stupid I live in the land of real. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs. Should not be that way, but it was because of drugs. Everybody wants there cut. Right now Mitlitary on the streests in the DR because crime is rising. Why is crime rising because drugs and corruption create problems. You think police will be honest when they see everyone on the take. I just hope it does not trend towards mexico. But. 4 police were killed in the last month for there weapons including a police officer who was assigned to protect the presidents daughter. I love the DR, but I am concerned what I saw on my last trip. It was different and I could be wrong on what I feel and see. I hope I am wrong. Again, love the DR and the people hate all the corruption and how drugs can hurt a country.
Ath Trainer
07-27-13, 12:00
Are you fucking serious?
If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!
I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!
Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.Same problem in mexico. The cops were not making enough money, and were not happy just having a job. Last person you wanted to see if you were in trouble was a cop. They raised their salaries, and police corruption went down.
Are you fucking serious?
If you are a police officer, it's not your fucking job to shake down anyone for pesos! They still make more money than other Dominicans and they are lucky to have a fucking job!
I see and hear about this same crap with the Tijuana police; it's bullshit to say the least. As a police officer, they should protect people; not take their money. And fuck the ones that do!
Oh yes, you did hit a nerve with this old bastard.Police in Mexico earn an average of about US$350 per month, but the constitution separates police officers from other public servants, meaning they do not qualify for the standard minimum wage and the 40-hour weekly work limit. For some reason many police officers in Mexico prefer to accept bribes, mostly from organized crime than lay their lives on the line fighting armed gangsters. Cowards!
The starting pay for police in the DR is about US$150 per month. However due to the low cost of living in the Dominican Republic a family of 4 can live quite comfortably on this amount and send a tithe of 10% of its income to feed hungry children in the US as well.
Sorry but an average port stop generates an ADDITIONAL 125-200 milion 545-800 jobs per season dependent on the Amenities and conditions of port. Once again, monger activities versus other ventures is a no brainer. Most ports cities start what sosua is doing and push the seedy to the edges of Tourist area away from walking distance. They give a rats ass about night time activities but day time seedy ain't going to work. You don't want comments in travel
Expedia etc talking about the port as they do Sosua hotels.
But I'm Just Guessing I don't work in developmentNow remember that Sosua will not even be close to the port of entry.
www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/10/caribbean_cruises_leave_wave_o.html
This is the clientele from cruise ships most of the time. Of course people all have their hopes set high. Check out the facts concerning helping the local economies.
Remember too CARNIVAL WILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE PASSENGERS its all their $$$$$$$$$$$$ being spent to build the port.
www.goldenkeymanagement.com/blogengine.net/post/2011/09/03/Carnival-Cruise-Lines-will-Invest-US$-65mm-in-Puerto-Plata`s-new-cruise-ship-terminal.aspx
SavePros321
07-27-13, 14:54
A lot of drug money in the DR. Let's be honest go to santo domingo a lot of real estate development going on with 2-3% growth rate. Does not make sense from an economic standpoint. Sound familar, it does back in the 80s when miami was booming and the the USA was in a recession. Why was that happening. Drugs. When you have corruption and a lot of drug money bad things will happen. In tthe 80's miami was the murder capital of the USA. Why, corruption and drugs.If anyone wants a point of reference to what Revere is talking about (the Miami drug scene in the 80's), check out the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD2JMs5xnTw
Revere: I am interested in knowing why you feel that the drug scene is picking up in the DR. I'm assuming the DR is used as a hub to get drugs into America, but I don't see it being easier than a group of illegals just casually strolling across the Southern Border with bags full of this stuff (we all know there ain't shit being done to control the border with Mexico. No one wants their stream of cheap labor drying to a trickle).
The last few times I was in Medellin I have seen apartments and buildings being thrown up left and right. But I believe this is due to more FDI (Foreign Direct Investment; foreigners feeling more comfortable about investing there) than the drug game (which still has a very large presence in Medellin).
We can continue this discussion in Gogo's forum if you'd like.
Mr Enternational
07-27-13, 17:08
Police make 6, 000 to 7, 000 pesos a month.What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.
SavePros321
07-27-13, 17:36
What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.How is it hard for you to believe? What is this person's rank on the police force? It's kinda hard for me to believe that you yourself fresh out of the Naval Academy was making the same amount of money as an O-6 was.
To put things even more in perspective, being stationed in Hawaii I was making almost triple the amount of the same person stationed in Norfolk, VA. The cop in Montellano is probably not making the same as the cop in Puta Cana. In fact, the Punta Cana gig is probably considered a plush assignment given to those who have been on the force for a while or as part of a promotion (like a Houston cop getting transferred to the Woodlands after spending many years on the beat in 5th Ward).
What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.Sadly its true. The starting salary of a policia nacional is roughly 6000 pesos a month. I am a Dominican American and have friends that are cops. I've been stopped on the roads before and when they see my pissed off face they already know I know the game. Twice before I've been stopped where a cop cut thru the bs and straight out asked me for money cause he can barely feed his family. I'm more than willing to help anyone who is straightforward with me than one that beats around the Bush when everyone knows its just money they want.
What kind of policeman are we talking about here? My girl in Santiago has a cousin who is a federal policeman in Puerto Plata and I'm sure he is making more than 7,000 pesos / month. I have been to his house (pics) and both him and his wife are educated and I don't think they are into anything shady. Maybe the family members in the first house (pic) she took me to are making 7000. Then too, my girl in Higuey is an accountant in a warehouse and makes 18,000 and her rent on a regular ass apartment is 7000, so it's kind of hard for me to believe the guy with the gun is making only 7.Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html
they work 6 days a week less then 7000 pesos a month. their lives are a constant struggle. they have to buy food, [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) and rent. it is a very sad existence. the police lower ranks are not paid well. when the chance to make some extra it is hard to blame them. we have no clue how hard or desperatre their lives are. telling a man who is bare footed to pull his self by his boot straps is a fruitless thing.
privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the policia national make $153 us dollars a month. no doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.html
Alex Deuce
07-27-13, 20:00
Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.htmlI believe that unskilled workers earn anywhere between 1500 & 7000 DOP a month depending on size of company and industry type. We pay general laborers 125 DOP a day to help clear debris and shovel with hundreds a week begging for work at main office. Lot of Middle management in DR are imported Puerto Ricans due to the poor educational system. Lots of graduates are forced to find work as cashiers and other low skilled jobs due to lack of compency. The ones that flourish in S. T. E. M. Fields make equivalent small city American dollars. There is a large income disparity between have and have nots.
Mr Enternational
07-27-13, 20:34
Privates, the most numerous and most junior rank in the Policia National make $153 US dollars a month. No doubt higher ranks with more experience make more.
http://www.diariolibre.com/dlenglish/2012/12/26/i365240_dominican-police-have-one-the-lowest-salary-scales-region.htmlThanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.
Alex Deuce
07-27-13, 20:37
When I got off the boat in Ocho Rios, Jamaica this billboard was one of the first things I saw. My question to one of the locals was where do I find that? It said NITE club for a reason. As someone else said, by night fall the ships are long gone. Also, if a boat docks in Puerto Plata I can't see people being transported all the way to Sosua. Usually the cruise ship people will stay in the general area and buy some rip off souvenirs for the few hours that they are in port. In Jamaica they built a shopping complex for the sole purpose to rip off tourists. When the girls working in the store told me the price of a pint of liquor was $8 I got smart and went outside to ask a local where the liquor store was. He said to go to the grocery store which was 1 block away. Me and my friends went there and the same damn liquor was $3.
I don't see anything seedy about Sosua in its present form. It is not like you see people fucking in the middle of the street. Hell, half the guys who go there can't find Passions without a motorbike driver. Even if the group did go to Sosua, no cruise tourist is going to go exploring that far down the street. And 2000 cruise ship tourists wandering around Sosua would look like a cluster fuck. Not to mention in a lot of places there will be 2 or 3 other boats docked at the same time. So 6000 tourists tripping over each other in Sosua?Agree, the key is overt establishment advertising sex or implied. Sousa is a good amentity due to the diving, fishing and relatively quite beach in a short bus ride. Night time is night time. It has no affect on the boats but does on those with holiday homes along the path in and out.
The best time I had in sosewer was my second. We rented two holiday homes about 5 miles out with a shared pool. It was drink up and restock at classicos for the next day. We were totally disgusted by Classicos but had no problem with the multitude of freelancers available for TLN at half the price. There was one sexy Haitiana that cooked, cleaned and fvched the remaining 4 days. We were arguing on who was going to take her back as maid or Fiance; then the Brugal wore off never to voluntarily return.
IMO: This is an independent contractor sport. I go to a casa for the thrill of the lineup but at the end of the day its more fun to stalk a SW or a play "Shy Guy" with a Puta at the bar. From a policy standpoint, I would rather see the closing of all the working girl / massage houses, enactment of Puta free zones by time and proximity to tourism and less SW raids save for random ID checks. If a bar or hotel wants to allow independent contractors on property, so be it.
Ath Trainer
07-27-13, 22:06
Thanks Frannie. That article really put things in perspective for me. Guys are going around giving putas half that for a couple of hours. After reading that, my short time rate just went to from 700 to 500 and my long time from 1000 to 800. Knowledge is power.Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.
Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter. When I dropped her home, she's living in a motel, paying over 1000 month for a piece of crap room. Probably can't do an apt that would be cheaper and nicer, cause no down payment, and no pay stub to get approved. Last sat, she made 3 bucks,
This is nothing compared to what some of these people in the dr and other countries do to make it. We should not judge till we spend a day in their shoes.
I've read that during the Passions raid the owners were arrested and the girls "freed" Has any one heard if any Mongers were arrested? Or held for more than a day? I've got a trip in 2 weeks and wanted some intel.
It gets under my skin when I see guys who assume DR people are stupid or lazy. I have known regular DR folk. They are the hardest working people I have ever seen. Even the working girls when you get to know them are not bad people. Most are mothers and the bread winners in their families. There are very few jobs so most folk find something they can sell so they can make a few bucks. When you drive in SD on the busy highways you see scores of people selling every thing under the sun to folk stuck in traffic. They make less a day then our pocket change but they go out everyday and try. Sometimes our arrogance make Marie Antionette look like St Francis. Sleeping with some of you clowns is a very hard job no doubt.
Very well expressed.
Mr Enternational
07-27-13, 23:23
Just like pro athletes can't relate to the ave guy, many of us cannot relate to poor people, and what they go through on a daily basis.
Recent did a otc with a stripper. She's 28, single mom. 3rd grade daughter.What do you mean? Many pro athletes came from poor to average backgrounds, so I am sure that they can relate. Look at all the Dominican and Cuban guys in Major League Baseball. Me, I was born in the Carver Homes projects in Atlanta, so I do know about being poor. I went to college on a Navy scholarship and my ROTC stipend was only $100/month. So there were times when I had to eat ketchup packs for dinner if I missed that meal at the cafeteria for whatever reason.
But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.
Yesterday when I got off at my exit there was a woman with a sign asking for money. The guy in the car directly in front of me picked the woman up and drove her to the grocery store that is across the street. On the other hand, most guys here would have picked her up and driven to a motel, then given her money for sex "because she was poor."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOPPjDUV1lo
Other convos around ISG:
Didn't you notice:
* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.
* Only tourists give them money.
* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF)
Funniest thing. For years I use to stay at the Rajai Hotel on Osmena Circle. Every time I came the same lady was out there with a baby. I start noticing that, over the years, the baby never grew.
Will sometimes buy kids food.
Mr Enternational
07-28-13, 00:24
Your reference to the lady with the fake baby is similar to the pro athlete that does get it. Theres exceptions to every rule. How many times do you hear a pro athlete holding out for, that extra million saying hes trying to put food on his familys table. Reggie white, a great player, and, an even better person, said god told him to go to green bay. Just happened to be the same place that was offering the most cash.You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.
You know what they say,"The more you make, the more you spend." A mf without a TV don't have to worry about paying a cable bill. A mf without a car don't have to worry about insurance, maintenance, or gasoline.So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.
Once again, monger dollars mean shit to the tax base and local economy in contrast to family tourism. That's a blatant misrepresentation.This may be true I can't comment on that, but you need to have the infrastructure in place to relieve the family tourists of their cash, also need that to bring them to the location in the first place. Quality, no run down, hotels (not for cruise ship but others) , classy restaurants, casinos, entertainment centres, safe roads / environment with reliable policing and trained staff to server them. North coast of DR just doesn't cut it right now. Getting rid of chicas is not going to make much difference in the absence of the above, just makes monger dollar disappear too! (Although the authorities have this as their excuse for their failures.)
But what I see here is that guys holler poor people, and what are they doing about it? Giving women money IF they fuck them. They are glad to help out the women who will give them some pussy, but besides that it's oh fucking well, ain't my business. The DR is more than just a country of poor women. What about the poor men? I don't see anybody here proud of how they are helping the poor daddys out. And believe you me, I do help the poor out, but it is not by means of giving women money just because I fucked them.We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy. However, I aint walking around blabbing as if all dominicans are poor, or all dominicans work hard. And I don't roll as if I'm supposed to supplement every poor dominican I meet.
It's amazing how certain individuals ignore the enormous examples of dominicans who have no ambition, are lazy, and are making babies they know it will be hard to take care of. If anybody is contributing to their hard times. It's their own fault, and those that condone it by not protecting the young. That goes for the women as well as the men. Somehow they don't see those dominicans. Unbeknownst to some or those in denial, scamming, conning, being an opportunist, using various tactics to get sympathy from people they target (towards obtaining hassle free benefits ). Is a full time occupation all over the DR. All over the world for that matter. Many so called poor dominicans (poor by who's standards?) are content or have no major problem with how they get by from day to day. To have people come around feeling sorry for them without understanding their mindset and circumstances, is an asset to them.
""""""Shit. I don't have to do anything. All I have to do is let some stupid gringo come to my casa, and the sympathy and money starts flowing." "Of course they aint paying attention to details.....how I dress, my high heels, my hair, my nails, my BB phone, my laptop, my victoria secrets, my perfume, the fact that he only feels sorry for me because I'm a woman with a pussy and not a dick. Etc. Thats because. Mi papi es mucho horny" "papi you call me please, yo no tengo credito" """"mi______________es enferma papi, necesita medicine / doctor."""
We know these types of guys. They think the little handouts they give, or "helping" women they are fucking suddenly makes them an international humanitarian. The main ones they are helping, are women giving them some pussy. Anything else they do are just random handouts. And I will be the 1st to admit, I do give more to women than to anyone else in the DR because of the pussy.I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.
However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.
Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.
Riky Rapido
07-28-13, 14:59
I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.
However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.
Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.So yesterday when a Facebook chica writes to me that she has nothing to eat for her kid and herself, I go to my near empty fridg and cut half a frozen chicken, some rice, ect. For a soup. I've seen the goat hovels where these chicas live, and it's poor and it ain't pretty. No small wonder the kids are always sick. Cut the chicas some slack, they're not selling pussy because they're top shelf at WalMart. It's all they got in most cases. You can find all kinds of reasons to berate these people, but they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), shit, breath the same air as I do. Put just about any random chico on a boat to New York and he'll be working two jobs to send money back home to his family. School is starting in a few weeks, many of these poor mothers are worried sick about notebooks, and the standard school uniforms for their kids. Some won't go to school because they are too poor to buy $20 bucks of school essentials. Ugly Americans go home,
So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.Not that the DR doesn't have its share of corruption, crime, education, infrastructure issues, etc, but I think the biggest problem in the DR is the same problem we have in certain communities in America: young girls having babies out of wedlock and the fathers not helping to raise those kids. Americans are not strangers to this. In fact, I know a couple of American 30 year olds living in Sosua who have multiple kids back home in the states.
Young teens having kids with no father leads to less education and less opportunities for those young mothers, coupled with the fact that the DR is a mucho oriented society where women are underrepresented in positions of power.
Awhile back, I had the crazy notion that things in Sosua might change just by virtue that the Mayor is now a female. I thought about how Rio changed under a female president in Brazil (changes which began under a male president).
So true. We sometimes do not appreciate how easy most of us have it. Today I bought an $ 850 LED TV. Spent over $ 150 on groceries then went for a $ 15 gourmet pizza with a couple of $ 9 pints of quality ale. While in the grocery store I got a text from my ex novia, no luz for 24 hours and only enough money for rice, beans and mangu today.Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.
I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.
And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.
Really? Well I don't know about you or the other posters BUT I earned every pennie I got and it wasn't easy at all. Maybe your $$ was given to you mine wasn't.
I know plenty of hard working Dominicans who have a nice life and make a fine living BECAUSE they earned it. Only see Dominicans complaining where the tourist are about their tough life. Never had anyone outside the bar areas ever ask for a PESO.
And I don't get suckered into text messages or stories about their "so called" problems and need for $$.I think most of us on this board are living off money we earned and saved, and not from trust funds or inheritances. I have no idea how you made your money and, yes, maybe it was very hard and you made great sacrifices, but the differential is not always simply related to hard work (even though it may have been so in your case). For example a high school teacher in the US earns an average of over $4000 per month (various a lot between high and low income states) , and yet the basic pay for Dominican government teachers in March. 2013 was $219 per month, a difference of about 20 times, and yet the difference is not related to how hard the work is, but to accidents like where your mother was when you were born and what currency you are paid in.
Also if you are born in the USA or the UK, if you just work for 35 years you will receive a pension or social security monthly stipend which will probably be more pe rmonth than the average doctor or dentist earns in the DR.
I am sure there are Dominicans you know, mostly in business surely, (because who else makes any real money?) who have made a fine living, but it would not be possible for the whole population to do the same, because the population will still need teachers, police, doctors, nurses, etc. And the economy would not support paying them all a fine living. After all many people can't make a fine living in the US either.
I don't know what country you are from, but did you know that in the USA 47, 661, 353 people are on food stamps (SNAP) this month, that is almost one person in every six in the WHOLE POPULATION. What would happen if that program was discontinued tomorrow? Would there be more people begging, do you think? Would those 47 million people all take to Facebook?
From today's Sosua News:
It is low season in Sosúa and that shows. During the day on the beach there are almost no tourists. Only in the weekend it is busy but it are mostly Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega and Puerto Plata. Also 'mi gente' (own people) from Santo Domingo come over for the weekend to enjoy a few days at the resort Casa Marina. Yet it is in the main street Pedro Clisante still busy every evening, for example the Rumba Bar and Willy's Bar are still popular entertainment places at night. Especially tourists from the USA are apparently the majority of the guests.
Many smaller bars have to close their doors temporarily. 'Winner's Circle Bar' opposite the merenguebar has temporarily closed its doors. Also 'City Lights' after the reopening which was unsuccessful (due to heavy rains the reopening was a dissapointment) again indefinitely closed its doors. Moreover, the 'Happy Bar' opposite PJ's restaurant, formerly so popular with Dominican music and dance lovers, provisionally maintains close after a little remodeling. We have to wait until October, as tourism picks up again. Sosúa is definitely ready, that's for sure!
Many pope can do this and get aay with it. And she was a poverty statistic.
www.liveleak.com/view?i=001_1374085033
This site has great info from all over the world not just western propaganda reports
Statistics fit slanted views and can be manipulated as such
I can't see what difference it makes. On the macro level, if you spend $1000 on a trip, bottom line that is $1000 US dollars of foreign exchange that is pumped into the Dominican economy which allows Dominicans to purchase $1000 worth of goods on international markets, whether it be fuel to make electricity and run vehicles, or automobiles, machinery, cell phones or computers.
However if you give a chica you are having sex with $100 to buy back-to-school supplies for her child, you may have the added pleasure of seeing how happy the child is.
Sometimes people just want to over intellectualize these things.The difference is this. In the 1st example you presupposed that the money used to purchase goods and services was earned. You didn't have to say they were working, it's kinda understood.
Whereas the 2nd example, you are talking about a chica that was GIVEN money. In other words she didn't earn it. Thats apples and oranges.
Moreover you have also presupposed the mans intent of giving money towards buying school supplies. Thats cool, however. A mans intent, and what the chica actually spends the money on, are two different perspectives. Even if the chica tells you the money is for school supplies, that doesn't mean thats what YOUR money was spent on. Enough chicas have a way of getting money from guys deceptively, and then when it's time to show the goods, they show you something they already had (already had the books or got some other dude she was fucking to give her money to buy the books ). Meanwhile she's bought a bunch of shit you did not intend for her to buy. How many examples have we read or heard about of chicas telling the same tale of woe to several guys at the same time? Just how many damn books does the child need in a semester?
One better intellectualize these things, or else they will be fooling themselves over that fuzzy feeling they derived from thinking they helped a kid with school.
Moreover you have also presupposed the mans intent of giving money towards buying school supplies. Thats cool, however. A mans intent, and what the chica actually spends the money on, are two different perspectives. Even if the chica tells you the money is for school supplies, that doesn't mean thats what YOUR money was spent on. Enough chicas have a way of getting money from guys deceptively, and then when it's time to show the goods, they show you something they already had (already had the books or got some other dude she was fucking to give her money to buy the books ). Meanwhile she's bought a bunch of shit you did not intend for her to buy. How many examples have we read or heard about of chicas telling the same tale of woe to several guys at the same time? Just how many damn books does the child need in a semester?
One better intellectualize these things, or else they will be fooling themselves over that fuzzy feeling they derived from thinking they helped a kid with school.Here's a list of typical school supplies, however it does not include uniforms. Usually there will be a main uniform plus a sports uniform, plus shoes, sports shoes, mochilla, lunchbox, etc.
http://www.santiagochristianschool.org/SCS%20School%20Supply%20Packets%20Flyer. Pdf.
Obviously one can get the list from the chica and go with her to make the purchases. Obviously this only applies if you have an ongoing relationship with the chica and the child and would not apply to short time sexual trysts.
There is always some risk of being ripped off. For example you can give money to charities in the US that spend 90% of the money on fundraising expenses. About 30 years ago I was dating a women who "tithed" 10% of her substantial salary to an AME Church. The pastor made frequent trips to Haiti to do missionary work. Unfortunately while he was there doing good works, he was infected with AIDS and died about 2 years later. So you never really know.
Someone Western Union some of these folks:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-4-5-us-face-175906005.html
47 mill. On food stamps-how much is fraud?I understand the fraud rate has been cut down a lot since the switch to electronic cards for making food stamps payments. The most common form of fraud is so-called "trafficking" which is exchanging food for cash or other goods. This usually requires a crooked store to do this, and the rate is now estimated at about 1%.
Many people collecting unemployment working "off the books" and getting food stamps.My understanding is that able-bodied adults without dependents may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period,
read about shipping basically stolen food.I read about this. Is it a crime to donate food bought with food stamps to poor people overseas? Maybe.
Free housing-food-medical-all utilities paid for-free cell phones-add it all up-POVERTY YEAH RiGHTBut people are not getting all this in the DR, but they are still surviving! Should people in the DR be sending money to help the poor in the US? I know a Russian woman who came to the US with her family from Moscow when she was 15. She said that sometimes the children had to take money to school in Moscow to send to help poor American children who were not so fortunate.
Someone Western Union some of these folks:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-4-5-us-face-175906005.htmlDo you think I am going to blindly go with an article taht gives no figures on how they came about the statistics they are showing. AP exclusive-yea sure-who conducted the survey. And I love the timing-Just when congress is tryin' to eliminate and cut this article comes out. Not to much propaganda is it. God what sheep people are. Totally amazing. Don't look at the fraud in the Gov't programs just look at stupid statistics from a survey that has no proof of who did it and what the control group was or the parameters.
I understand the fraud rate has been cut down a lot since the switch to electronic cards for making food stamps payments. The most common form of fraud is so-called "trafficking" which is exchanging food for cash or other goods. This usually requires a crooked store to do this, and the rate is now estimated at about 1.
My understanding is that able-bodied adults without dependents may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period,
I read about this. Is it a crime to donate food bought with food stamps to poor people overseas? Maybe.
But people are not getting all this in the DR, but they are still surviving! Should people in the DR be sending money to help the poor in the US? I know a Russian woman who came to the US with her family from Moscow when she was 15. She said that sometimes the children had to take money to school in Moscow to send to help poor American children who were not so fortunate.The food they are sending is food they obtained "NOT BUY PURCHASING WITH MONEY BUT FROM FOOD STAMPS". Did you read where they are selling it for MONEY in Santiago not to feed the poor. Guess you missed that huh?
How about working "off the books" you don't address that? Did you read the article about the lady who got MILLIONS from IRS and was on food stamps.
Look my point is simple Statistics that are thrown around to support one side of a debate or another. The business I'm in I can tell you from personal experience.not some statistic or article. The system is FULL of FRAUD especially welfare, social security meaning disability especially. Middle class America just like middle class dominicans work hard. In the USA government free-be programs are destroying the country. Like I said I know from first-hand experience not articles or surveys.
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Go to this site.Statistics somebody is lying some where when they apply
www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa2_1374455637
THAT ELECTRONIC TRANSFER SYSTEM REALLY CUT DOWN ON FRAUD
These people are considered living in POVERTY-------SCUMBAGS is what they are I don't care who they are sending it to. They are thieves.
Any recent trip reports? The last several posts are just arguments which one can take over the General Info section.
Since Passions has closed (whether it is temporary or not) , what is the scene like in Sosua? I have read there have been a couple hot spots that have closed now in recent months, have the quantity / quality of girls disappeared with that as well? I'm assuming (and hoping) not much has changed so I can enjoy my first trip to DR.
Can anyone suggest good places to find chicas during the day / afternoon? Is it pretty much just walking down the strip and into a bar hopping until you find the chica that you wish to take back to your room?
Thanks!
The food they are sending is food they obtained "NOT BUY PURCHASING WITH MONEY BUT FROM FOOD STAMPS". Did you read where they are selling it for MONEY in Santiago not to feed the poor. Guess you missed that huh?My impression was that people were gifting the barrels to relatives, and that some of the relatives were selling the stuff they didn't want for themselves overseas. I didn't read that they were repatriating the funds to the food stamps recipients.
It seems like a pretty pointless scam. You spend $40 on a barrel and then pay another $70 or more I think to ship it to someone who sells the stuff for a fraction under the store prices in the DR. The food stamps recipients would be better off eating the food themselves, saving cash to send to the relatives and saving on the cost of the barrel and the shipping.
BadBear2000
07-29-13, 01:47
I live in Haiti and the foods here are just as good as in the states. The problem with our government's immigration laws are the way they select the people who get visas. The Haitian gets his visa, he goes to the USA lives a while, then returns to Haiti and gets members of his family visas with little efforts. Our government allows Haitians to interview potential visa applicants instead of American personnel. I have an American friend that has a Haitian wife and he had more trouble getting her visa than the guy that is not even American. Americans need to interview these people and not Haitians who let their friends through easy while blocking people they know nothing about.
Go to this site. Statistics somebody is lying some where when they apply.
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THAT ELECTRONIC TRANSFER SYSTEM REALLY CUT DOWN ON FRAUD
These people are considered living in POVERTY-SCUMBAGS is what they are I don't care who they are sending it to. They are thieves.
My favorita Perla, thanks for the old memories. Thanks for the pics Tomjackin, Savepros, Sabor and Mr long. Trip reports and pics are surely missed. Frannie have you ever posted pics or a trip report? But thanks for the on-scene reporting. Sir Charles, Revere, Orgasmico, Mr E and the rest of the guys, thanks for the past pics.
Coolie we miss your reports bro. BBL just arrived in SD look for his reports in the Gogo forum.
I live in Haiti and the foods here are just as good as in the states. The problem with our government's immigration laws are the way they select the people who get visas. The Haitian gets his visa, he goes to the USA lives a while, then returns to Haiti and gets members of his family visas with little efforts. Our government allows Haitians to interview potential visa applicants instead of American personnel. I have an American friend that has a Haitian wife and he had more trouble getting her visa than the guy that is not even American. Americans need to interview these people and not Haitians who let their friends through easy while blocking people they know nothing about. After a Haitian starts the process of going to the USA how long does it usually take for them to get there visa.
Is Cap Haitien the town where Haitians go to renew there visa for the DR?
How long after arriving at the destination does it take a Haitian national to pay the 200 dollars and the officals to give them there papers to be legal in the DR?
Thanks for the post
Ipanema Carioca
07-29-13, 05:00
I'm glad you get it Tijuana. The more that guy opens his mouth, the more people realize what a fraudulent poster he is. Of course he has no trip reports or photos, let alone a passport.
Let's help him out. &62990; &62711; #3 in all white is Phanie! She's fat as a pig now! But she has good head game, but I wouldn't fuck her now!
From today's Sosua News:
It is low season in Sosúa and that shows. During the day on the beach there are almost no tourists. Only in the weekend it is busy but it are mostly Dominican visitors from Santiago, La Vega and Puerto Plata. Also 'mi gente' (own people) from Santo Domingo come over for the weekend to enjoy a few days at the resort Casa Marina. Yet it is in the main street Pedro Clisante still busy every evening, for example the Rumba Bar and Willy's Bar are still popular entertainment places at night. Especially tourists from the USA are apparently the majority of the guests.
Many smaller bars have to close their doors temporarily. 'Winner's Circle Bar' opposite the merenguebar has temporarily closed its doors. Also 'City Lights' after the reopening which was unsuccessful (due to heavy rains the reopening was a dissapointment) again indefinitely closed its doors. Moreover, the 'Happy Bar' opposite PJ's restaurant, formerly so popular with Dominican music and dance lovers, provisionally maintains close after a little remodeling. We have to wait until October, as tourism picks up again. Sosúa is definitely ready, that's for sure!I had hotel workers in Sosua tell me that tip's were low because all the tourist were local people from the DR
I had hotel workers in Sosua tell me that tip's were low because all the tourist were local people from the DRI had a couple chicas that I was regular with handle the drinking money and it saved me mucho dinero (money). I would let her handle the propinas and they had no shame about leaving minimum tips. Whereas I would spend 60usd drinking and tipping a night in Sosua by myself, I would give my girl 50usd and we would bar hop all night in Sosua.
My favorita Perla, thanks for the old memories.Nice pics. I can tell by that smile she likes to have fun!
Frannie have you ever posted pics or a trip report? But thanks for the on-scene reporting.There is a thread called Photo Gallery for posting pictures. Why don't people use it if they want to post pictures? What is the point of posting picture of scantly clad or naked women unless there is also some narrative or discussion about why that woman is having her picture posted? How many of these women actually ask to have their pictures taken and posted on the Internet? They sure don't ask me to do it. As for pictures of Sosua, you can just go to Google images and see thousands if you really want. Also see YouTube.
I did post some photographs a while back, but I am no photography enthusiast, so why not leave it to those who have that hobby. Here is one photo I took.
What is the purpose of posting trip reports? Surely either to give an update on what visitors might experience at this moment in time, or to give a new perspective from the point of view of someone who has not been to Sosua before, with particular emphasis on providing information for newbies. The information I post is based on my first hand observations of Sosua, and I post links to source materials when available so that people can verify the facts for themselves.
I get loads of private messages from lurkers who never post here, asking for more detailed information, and occasionally I meet them when they come to the DR, so even if a lot of what I write is boring for old stagers who have been to Sosua lots of times and know it all, it is still of interest to some people. The old stagers are not my target audience.
Since Passions has closed (whether it is temporary or not) , what is the scene like in Sosua? I have read there have been a couple hot spots that have closed now in recent months, have the quantity / quality of girls disappeared with that as well? I'm assuming (and hoping) not much has changed so I can enjoy my first trip to DR.
Can anyone suggest good places to find chicas during the day / afternoon? Is it pretty much just walking down the strip and into a bar hopping until you find the chica that you wish to take back to your room?
Thanks!I toured the town on Saturday from 12:00 pm to 1:00 pm and it was very, very quiet. I did not see any hookers in any of the bars or on the street, and on the beach only saw one elderly retired (I hope!) hooker who is working at a restaurant and another whom I knew from several years ago (intervening years had not been kind to her) who approached me and suggested sexual intercourse, which I declined. Now that the massage places and Passions are closed the prostitution scene has moved to the bars on the central 2 blocks, Latino's, Rumba, El Toro, El Flow, Central Hotel, Meringue bar (very quiet now) and is pretty active from sundown until late. CMP Night club is still open in the afternoons.
From the point of view of the "civilian" tourist, you could have walked around on Saturday and never known that Sosua has a reputation for prostitution.
If you want chicas for the day and afternoon, the easiest thing to do would be to take names and numbers at night and make dates for the following day.
I think you will still enjoy your trip.
There is a thread called Photo Gallery for posting pictures. Why don't people use it if they want to post pictures? What is the point of posting picture of scantly clad or naked women unless there is also some narrative or discussion about why that woman is having her picture posted? How many of these women actually ask to have their pictures taken and posted on the Internet? They sure don't ask me to do it. As for pictures of Sosua, you can just go to Google images and see thousands if you really want. Also see YouTube.
I did post some photographs a while back, but I am no photography enthusiast, so why not leave it to those who have that hobby. Here is one photo I took.
What is the purpose of posting trip reports? Surely either to give an update on what visitors might experience at this moment in time, or to give a new perspective from the point of view of someone who has not been to Sosua before, with particular emphasis on providing information for newbies. The information I post is based on my first hand observations of Sosua, and I post links to source materials when available so that people can verify the facts for themselves...All pictures in reports are also posted in the photo gallery Frannie. Also why do you need a long report about a picture? Most guys I know like to look at pretty girls. My problem is that everything you say has to lead to some drawn out debate usually not related to pussy or girls. I'm sure you still look at the pictures that so offend you. I'm open minded enough to accept others opinions and advice. No argument here Sir you have been here way longer than me, but I find it strange when someone resides in the land of pussy and posts on a sex blog but always wants to debate off topic.
I toured the town on Saturday from 12:00 pm to 1:00 pm and it was very, very quiet. I did not see any hookers in any of the bars or on the street, and on the beach only saw one elderly retired (I hope!) hooker who is working at a restaurant and another whom I knew from several years ago (intervening years had not been kind to her) who approached me and suggested sexual intercourse, which I declined. Now that the massage places and Passions are closed the prostitution scene has moved to the bars on the central 2 blocks, Latino's, Rumba, El Toro, El Flow, Central Hotel, Meringue bar (very quiet now) and is pretty active from sundown until late. CMP Night club is still open in the afternoons.
From the point of view of the "civilian" tourist, you could have walked around on Saturday and never known that Sosua has a reputation for prostitution.
If you want chicas for the day and afternoon, the easiest thing to do would be to take names and numbers at night and make dates for the following day.
I think you will still enjoy your trip.Any news of the 32 Passion's girls freed from their poor condition by the police?
Any news of the 32 Passion's girls freed from their poor condition by the police?No, the residential building at Passions is clearly shut down and there is no sign of life there. I had wondered whether the prepared pay packets found by police were distributed to the girls whose names were on them or held as evidence. I imagine most of them went home to where they came from if they could beg, steal, or borrow the fare. The press releases did not address the matter. Maybe a few found other lodgings and are still freelancing in Sosua, I don't know.
Missed last wks flight. Todays flight cancelled. Now looking at next wk.
Ng is booked. Casa cayena may be too. Looking for a single room, a / see, near the action. Any suggestions?This hotel is my adress in Sosua. AC. 40 $, Wi-fi (only reachable outside the room, too bad.) , restaurant, near the action. info@hotel-don-antonio.com.
Or much cheaper, Hotel Orchidee, ben_coool@yahoo.com. Only rocky's are closer to the action but I've never been there.
So yesterday when a Facebook chica writes to me that she has nothing to eat for her kid and herself, I go to my near empty fridg and cut half a frozen chicken, some rice, ect. For a soup. I've seen the goat hovels where these chicas live, and it's poor and it ain't pretty. No small wonder the kids are always sick. Cut the chicas some slack, they're not selling pussy because they're top shelf at WalMart. It's all they got in most cases. You can find all kinds of reasons to berate these people, but they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), shit, breath the same air as I do. Put just about any random chico on a boat to New York and he'll be working two jobs to send money back home to his family. School is starting in a few weeks, many of these poor mothers are worried sick about notebooks, and the standard school uniforms for their kids. Some won't go to school because they are too poor to buy $20 bucks of school essentials. Ugly Americans go home,Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that these poor chicas are mainly in contact with foreign men? Why is it nobody else around them is as as concerned or feeling sorry for them as you? Maybe it's because others know something you don't know. The things you don't see.
You talk to the average chica you are claiming is poor. She may have 1 to 5 kids and in most cases with different DR men. Most of those situations are probably children born OOW. In most cases those men are not supporting their kids now. And even though they arent supporting the kids, somehow the mothers and their children are living day to day. He ends up not being concerned and only looking out for himself. Lets say a few million dominican men fit that criterior. I'll bet if you bring those millions to NY like you suggested, it's likely not one of them will be sending any money back to their families. They already abandoned them. You think they are suddenly going to care what is going on back in the DR, and start sending money? Here is something else to consider, maybe a million of those men are already here in the states. Not supporting their kids, here in the states and back home. I'm not saying they represent how most DR men handle their business. But the numbers of children already not being supported shows what those mens character is. Further, how about those poor women being the major co-factor for their predicament? Having children by men who won't support their children. Under those circumstances, maybe poor women should be allowed to endure some suffrage. It just might help in being a deterrent for other women. Especially if they don't luck up finding some foreign man to feel sorry for them. But as long as poor women have men (not DR men) feeling sorry for them, the women are going to continue bringing children into the world under fucked up circumstances.
Mr Enternational
07-29-13, 22:37
Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that these poor chicas are mainly in contact with foreign men? Why is it nobody else around them is as as concerned or feeling sorry for them as you? Maybe it's because others know something you don't know. The things you don't see.Because foreign men are suckers for pussy and throw in a sob story to boot. You have to market to your target audience. How would Craftsman look putting toolbox commercials on during soap operas? Like some damn idiots because the chicks who watch soap operas ain't running out to buy toolboxes. The same way Dominicans aren't trying to hear the sob stories. So pussy starved foreign men with fucking exotic women on their mind become the target demographic for those.
Here's a list of typical school supplies, however it does not include uniforms. Usually there will be a main uniform plus a sports uniform, plus shoes, sports shoes, mochilla, lunchbox, etc.
http://www.santiagochristianschool.org/SCS
%20School%20Supply%20Packets%20Flyer. Pdf.
Obviously one can get the list from the chica and go with her to make the purchases. Obviously this only applies if you have an ongoing relationship with the chica and the child and would not apply to short time sexual trysts.
There is always some risk of being ripped off. For example you can give money to charities in the US that spend 90% of the money on fundraising expenses. About 30 years ago I was dating a women who "tithed" 10% of her substantial salary to an AME Church. The pastor made frequent trips to Haiti to do missionary work. Unfortunately while he was there doing good works, he was infected with AIDS and died about 2 years later. So you never really know.I hope you don't think having a relationship with a chica changes anything? Worse yet, what happens when the so called boyfriend doesn't live near her, or is in his own country? When she claims to need school supplies (or anything they request) its usually going to be sought when the guy is not there to go with her to make sure she is getting what was intended. But damn, if you have to do that, what does that tell you in regards to them supposedly being in a relationship? That she can't be trusted in the 1st place. In other words to many, me included, the idea that you are in a exclusive relationship with a chica living in the dr and you live elsewhere, is a joke.
Ya think a chica is going to turn away offers from other men? Especially if the man is in front of them, and the boyfriend is not? As far as she is concerned or the boyfriend for that matter. Technically the so called boyfriend aint getting ripped off or being hurt, as long as he don't know about it. Ya got to know this is how enough chicas rationalize going outside of the relationship. That fuzzy feeling supports the delusion that he's saving her from being poor. To put it another way. His turn with her among other mens turn with her is supporting her.
The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. Having relationship will enhance the experience. Sport fucking is a lot of fun but it gets boring very fast. Point and click sport fucking is fun but it gets boring very fast. Having an attractive young lady that you know and like to hang out with when you are 50 plus is priceless. The sex with a girl you know is usually way better not to mention going dancing and movies. Forum guys rent pussy not buy it. I am not expecting them to sit around waiting for me to show up all year. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.
I hope you don't think having a relationship with a chica changes anything? Worse yet, what happens when the so called boyfriend doesn't live near her, or is in his own country? When she claims to need school supplies (or anything they request) its usually going to be sought when the guy is not there to go with her to make sure she is getting what was intended. But damn, if you have to do that, what does that tell you in regards to them supposedly being in a relationship? That she can't be trusted in the 1st place. In other words to many, me included, the idea that you are in a exclusive relationship with a chica living in the dr and you live elsewhere, is a joke.
Ya think a chica is going to turn away offers from other men? Especially if the man is in front of them, and the boyfriend is not? As far as she is concerned or the boyfriend for that matter. Technically the so called boyfriend aint getting ripped off or being hurt, as long as he don't know about it. Ya got to know this is how enough chicas rationalize going outside of the relationship. That fuzzy feeling supports the delusion that he's saving her from being poor. To put it another way. His turn with her among other mens turn with her is supporting her.
Thanks for the Update on last Saturday Sosua Scene. How CMP night club is different From Passion's? If there any reason for them to be still open.
You said ". If the could beg, steal or borrow the fare"."Beg" and "steal" is a little bit disrespectful. Don't you think?Maybe CMP donated more to the local police and / or politicians. Hell, maybe they paid off someone to put Peter & Passions out of business. Whatever, I would think some of the ex-Passion's girls would be applying to work at CMP. Good opportunity for CMP to up their chica quality!
Peter was a German national and I imagine it looks a lot better when the problem being caused by an outsider. Kill two birds with one stone appear to be cracking down and blaming foreigners for the problem. Let it be known buying pussy is a everyday thing for DR men. CMP has a bad rep on this forum and if any place can profit from Passions demise it is CMP. passions was killing them for business.
Maybe CMP donated more to the local police and / or politicians. Hell, maybe they paid off someone to put Peter & Passions out of business. Whatever, I would think some of the ex-Passion's girls would be applying to work at CMP. Good opportunity for CMP to up their chica quality!
Thanks for the post Orgasmico. It shows that the cops are corrupt, and the girls run scams.Http://youtu.be/dl7ILrXiP24
Because foreign men are suckers for pussy and throw in a sob story to boot. You have to market to your target audience. How would Craftsman look putting toolbox commercials on during soap operas? Like some damn idiots because the chicks who watch soap operas ain't running out to buy toolboxes. The same way Dominicans aren't trying to hear the sob stories. So pussy starved foreign men with fucking exotic women on their mind become the target demographic for those.Dominican men don't care. They laugh their ass off at the gringos. Read the posts most of these older guys are starving for sex and already got suckered in by plenty of these chicas but won't admit it. Amazing part is these chicas have the nicest clothes, almost all of them have the best cellular phones. Then they cry poor and idiots believe them. I laugh my ass off too at the posts especially how the chica really does "care"-yea til the $ runs out.
Dominican men don't care. They laugh their ass off at the gringos. Read the posts most of these older guys are starving for sex and already got suckered in by plenty of these chicas but won't admit it. Amazing part is these chicas have the nicest clothes, almost all of them have the best cellular phones. Then they cry poor and idiots believe them. I laugh my ass off too at the posts especially how the chica really does "care"-yea til the $ runs out.The smart chicas are top-notch actresses.
The old saying young and dumb fits you like a glove. When us old guys as you state were young we did not need pay for pussy un like you. However young buck in 20 years you will know why we call this sex prison. I deal with pros and known pros which is beyond your skill level. It is clear you know little of life or the DR. We can afford to buy what we want. We gladly pay for what we get. DR guys envy our money and our lives. For them going to another country is an impossible dream. Most work very hard for the little they have. If you get out of working girl houses for minute you would know that. Your statements make it clear you have nothing to contribute to men talking. Once you learn to put a belt on and pull your pants up we can talk.
The smart chicas are top-notch actresses.
The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.Only a moron would assume I think other mongers I don't know are morons. Why don't you think in your own head? And I'll do the thinking in my own.
You say the girls have almost no help with obligations. What the hell are you talking about? What girls? You've conducted a survey to account for what girls have help from those that don't? Or are you just talking about girls you know personally? Quite frankly you don't know who these girls are fucking or who they may be getting money from, nor can you account for the money that is spent or blown. And therefore you have zero substance in your generalization of girls having or not having.
You say when I know DR girls who are not putas I'll be in a better position to make judgements. For the record, are you using the word judgment to say I'm giving an assessment or a perspective, or are you using judgement to assume I am supposedly putting poor women down? See with you, one has to be careful. Because you have a tendency to attempt to think in other peoples head, and assume the fucked up mentality you assign to others is how others think. Anyway, lets assume you are correct. I have been coming to the DR for a number of years, been in contact with many dominicans way before I started mongering, dated one, had bonds with all of her family and friends. Now since I do know DR women / girls that arent putas......that puts me in the position to be more objective within this discussion since I am fully aware there is and can be a distinction in behavior and manner.
Kinda makes me a little more well rounded than someone stuck in "simp" athetic mode. Maybe when you stop over emotionalizing what people post, and stop acting like a segment of what people post tells you someones overall character and POV in life, then you might be in a better position to grasp whats being discussed here without personalizing your concerns. I hope you are capable of addressing issues without focusing on others peoples character and POV that you assign to them? Can you do that? Will you do that?
The guys on the forum are not the Morons you seem to think. Having relationship will enhance the experience. Sport fucking is a lot of fun but it gets boring very fast. Point and click sport fucking is fun but it gets boring very fast. Having an attractive young lady that you know and like to hang out with when you are 50 plus is priceless. The sex with a girl you know is usually way better not to mention going dancing and movies. Forum guys rent pussy not buy it. I am not expecting them to sit around waiting for me to show up all year. The girls have almost no help with obligations having someone who can help out every now and then is a God send and for us banging pretty girl 30 years younger is a God Send. Dr girls like being wine and dined buy us and try hard to make us happy. In closing when you know DR girls who are not putas you will be in a better positions to make judgements.Just wanted you to ponder a few things. You say having a relationship will enhance the experience. What's the common denominator here of why the attractive young lady is hanging out with a 50 plus male when she can have a much younger man? As Shaft would say."I'll give you three $$$ sweet guesses". I think you got it twisted. What you are talking about is not really a relationship. It has more the elements of an arrangement rather than a relationship. Like a hired call girl or escort. Even if she cooks, cleans, goes to the movies, to clubs and restaurants with you. Thats just part of the arrangement, like a housekeeper.
When he isn't there she is free to have an arrangement with somebody else, or sport fuck as many dudes as she can for pocket change, until her big spender daddy fat wallet comes back to town. He's the guy she gets to buy refrigerators, school clothes and supplies, cooking gas, cell phones, medicine. And any other thing she convinces him to get. Meanwhile all of her sport fucking money gets to stay in her purse where it belongs. Here's an experiment. Don't give the poor girl any money, and don't buy anything. Just take her out dancing, the movies, to restaurants. And see how she feels about you then. My point is. The good times you are having is just an illusion. She is just playing her scripted role. Take money and bennies out of the equation, and you will see just how much of a relationship you don't have.
Thanks for posting this!More about prostitution in Sosua and the local resistance and distain for sex tourists: http://youtu.be/u_Ab6c7Ogbk
Ath Trainer
07-30-13, 15:28
New garden is full for next wk.
Terra linda an don antonio have rooms. Terra linda is a little more money, but nicer.
I am aware of the history of credit card issues. Will be paying cash. Won't be taking multiple girls to the room. 1 at a time. Also aware of the history of not supporting guests when there was an issue with le.
Strickly looking for a decent room in the heart of the action. Willing to pay a little extra for basic comforts. Bigger bed, wifi that works and in room would be nice.
Still waiting for casa cayena to reply.
Stayed at ng last time. Using them as my reference point.
Member #4351
07-30-13, 16:04
More about prostitution in Sosua and the local resistance and distain for sex tourists:
http://youtu.be/u_Ab6c7OgbkThat District Attorney Alba Nuñez is a cutie.
The Mind Bender
07-30-13, 17:36
I'd really like to hear more reports on the ground.
I'd especially like to know how this is affecting CMP and their talent
Never been since I was always told Passions was far superior but this might be the time for them to step up
Just wanted you to ponder a few things. You say having a relationship will enhance the experience. What's the common denominator here of why the attractive young lady is hanging out with a 50 plus male when she can have a much younger man?Obviously it is the money, but you could say the same of the women who hang around rich men in any country, but the point is that an older man, if he is solvent, can come to the DR and have a relationship with a much younger and more attractive woman than he could in his home country. Everywhere you go on the north coast you see these couples, in supermarkets, restaurants, etc. And they appear to be perfectly happy.
When I first came to the DR just over ten years ago, I could still have relationships with women at home, as long as I didn't mind dating post menopausal grandmothers, but not with women in their 20's, not for love nor money. But at that time the Internet, with the WWW Still a very new thing becoming commercialized from 1996 to 1998, and the invention of Viagra which was approved by the FDA in March 1998 and analogous drug, changed everything.
Of course having a relationship is different from paying someone 1000 pesos for a quick fuck with a condom, because you have the partner available round the clock, and you can probably put them on the pill and have sex without condoms whenever you want, maybe on awaking in the morning or along with a nap after lunch. You don't have to hang out in noisy smoky bars, and you can travel anywhere in the island that you want to go as you are not restricted to "chica-friendly" hotels.
Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?
Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too!
Just last week I bumped into a woman I had casual sex with several times a couple of years ago for 1000 pesos per encounter, when she lived in the same building as I, and she mentioned to me how she remembered that I had been sick and she gave me medicine. At first I didn't remember what the hell she was talking about, and then I recalled that I had "grippe" with a terrible cough, and she brought me a bottle of a home-made Dominican remedy made of stuff like red wine, onion juice, hot sauce, molasses, ginger, and various herbs. It was pretty disgusting, come to think of it, but the amazing thing to me was that she remembered me being sick long after I had completely forgotten. That's what makes it fun in the DR.
The reason this is possible is because of the disparity between earnings in the US and other developed countries and countries like the DR. Someone with an average job like a teacher or cop who has worked for 35 years and retired in the US is probably getting more monthly income in Social Security alone than many doctors, dentists, and lawyers working in the DR, never mind teachers or cops in the DR who make almost nothing. I know some of you hang out with well-off Dominicans, but there really aren't that many of them as a percentage of the whole population. The only one I know is a guy who has a couple of used car dealerships in Florida as well as one in Puerto Plata, and imports used cars, but there aren't that many people in that earnings class in the DR.
That District Attorney Alba Nuñez is a cutie.She was involved in the Passion's takedown too. In the video she was saying that prostitution is a bad thing for families and businesses and that some of these women are selling themselves for as little as 300 pesos a go. She says having all these women hanging out in indecent clothing that signals their availability in Pedro Clissante deters decent families from wanting to go out in those areas.
Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?
Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too!
Great post Frannie! I met this hot chick Sunday at this new hot spot in New York. La Marina. Washington Heights on Dyckman Street. As aside, that whole area is popping with some hot chicks and cool Dominican nightclubls. Anyone, in town on a Sunday night should check that area out. Safe. Anway, met this hot chick and bought her and her friends drinks all night. So, yes I got the number and yes I kissed her, but nothing else and I am in the hole now about $200. 00 with nothing to show. Granted she is hot, but technically I have not even gone out with her on a date yet as I met her with her friend at the club. Now, I will have to call her and take her out on a date so you see it is not cheap to hang with a hot girl, but maybe you all might not have to make the same effort I am making, but it is no layup here in new york for me. Hard work and expensive. So, the value propisition you get in the DR a hot girl with not spending the bank you cannot beat that.
What attracts a women to you is not always physical once women mature they realize they need more than a pretty face. They want someone who is kind. Affectionate and Has MONEY security We all no the money makes the difference but so what. A womans looks is what gets your attention but if her personality sucks you will not keep her. The chicas I know have dealt with young guys and want something different and may be better. They say older men treat them better. Truth is we do not have enough money to buy here what we can get in the DR. We are not looking for wives but on call girlfriends. Those of us who have experienced good DR GFE Know we are getting our money s worth. Man do I miss that wake up sex.
Anway, met this hot chick and bought her and her friends drinks all night. So, yes I got the number and yes I kissed her, but nothing else and I am in the hole now about $200. 00 with nothing to show.She is probably dating the bar owner. You don't get much these days here in the DR for $200 either. Maybe a three-girl orgy with multiple pops, but that would be about the limit.
Member #4351
07-30-13, 20:45
She was involved in the Passion's takedown too. In the video she was saying that prostitution is a bad thing for families and businesses and that some of these women are selling themselves for as little as 300 pesos a go. She says having all these women hanging out in indecent clothing that signals their availability in Pedro Clissante deters decent families from wanting to go out in those areas.They tried to blame mongering activities for the closing of many hotels and subsequent loss of 5000 jobs in Puerta Plata region. Then the camera focused on Rumba and said that the bars are fronts for other activities and proceeded to read the menu from Passions. Biased report as usual. However one of the authorities said that there was basically nothing anyone could do because there is NO LAW AGAINST PROSTITUTION IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic (American politics) posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thanks,
Jackson
1) Obviously it is the money, but you could say the same of the women who hang around rich men in any country, but the point is that an older man, if he is solvent, can come to the DR and have a relationship with a much younger and more attractive woman than he could in his home country. Everywhere you go on the north coast you see these couples, in supermarkets, restaurants, etc. And they appear to be perfectly happy.
2) Of course having a relationship is different from paying someone 1000 pesos for a quick fuck with a condom, because you have the partner available round the clock, and you can probably put them on the pill and have sex without condoms whenever you want, maybe on awaking in the morning or along with a nap after lunch. You don't have to hang out in noisy smoky bars, and you can travel anywhere in the island that you want to go as you are not restricted to "chica-friendly" hotels.
3) Obviously it costs money, but what is better value, $300 to an escort in her 30's in the States for an hour of sterile sex with a condom, or unlimited fun with a young Domincan honey in her 20's for a $300 monthly retainer?
4) Obviously relationships don't always work out, but what in life does? Yes, she may cheat on you sooner or later and probably the relationship won't last, but the same goes for relationships in the US or other countries. And don't forget that you may cheat on her too!1) I'm not disputing that, nor have I denied that. I think it's fair to say we all have that understanding. I'm also not disputing that couples can be happy with each other. Thats also understood. The thrust of my point to the other poster, was the fact that in more than enough cases, the guy that thinks he's in a relationship with a chica doesn't even live with her or in the country. Which means his "novia" is likely fucking somebody else while he isn't there. And she rationalizes she isn't cheating on him, because her boyfriend is only her boyfriend when he is there. When it's his turn.
Now if your point underneath all of that is, it's better to have a chica you are familiar with and comfortable with, than sport fucking random chicas, well I'm in agreement. But I don't ascribe to the notion that a couple are in an exclusive relationship just because they are regulars of each other. Especially as you indicated, the guy may be cheating on the woman himself. Thats why I call it an arrangement, and not a relationship. Moreso, if the chica accepts his philandering.
2) Again what you describe appears to be 2 people with an arrangment. Because the same sexual habits and structure (no condoms, waking up to sex, hanging together etc) can apply to the boyfriend who is simply taking his turn until he goes back home. Meanwhile the chica is free to sport fuck for pocket change or even have another dude on retainer. Like the guy who only goes to SD, so she goes there to stay with him. The boyfriend at home is given whatever story she decides to spew.
3) I wouldn't take any of those choices. I'll choose 3, no monthly retainers for any chicas. I like the pay per use program. Pay for my turn in the moment when I use it. I'm not delusional that I'm in a relationship with any chica. I'm content with both of us being comfortable with each other and realizing its just an arrangement we have. I will say this. For those that choose to pay chicas monthly retainers, I thank them for that. If I run into any of those chicas, makes my time with them much better and keeps their expectations from me limited to our arrangement.
4) If one or both are having sex with others, why delusion oneself into believing they are in a relationship with a chica, and not simply an arrangement? On another note. I never understood why guys risk getting married in the states, only to keep fucking other women, risking losing a lot if and when they get caught?
It'll be interesting to see what that town is like since my last trip in Feb. I'll be sure to check out CMP to see how it is fairing do to passions closing. Luckily, I pre-booked with Rick at Mary Rose a month ago. Just read about how many hotels are booked early August. And I thought this was the slow season. Should be an interesting trip.
Where can I watch my New England patriots game each Sunday starting in September? I remember even in Colombia a Hooters bar had the 'NFL ticket' for all the games. Thanks, Its important
I'd really like to hear more reports on the ground.
I'd especially like to know how this is affecting CMP and their talent
Never been since I was always told Passions was far superior but this might be the time for them to step upI stepped in CMP last Friday. Just saw a mob of women in there. I asked how many women, and was told about 20. Saw some nice looking ones. So CMP has some talent. There are just too many coming at you. At one time. Some guys like to choose the girl, but these girls are hungry for work. They can't afford to waste time letting anybody walk back out.
After hanging around Mary Rose and around the hotels far from the strip, where many of the passion / cmp girls stay (if they don't go back home ). I choose to make my deal with them when I spot them out and about.
I met and enjoyed an ex CMP girl that was in Dlatins, back in April. I saw her again last week at the colmado across from Sosua Suites. She remembered me. This time I got her number for future possibilities. One potential problem. Once many of them go back to freelancing, securing a TLN or them working hard to satisfy a customer, may not be their priority. Nor is there anyone to complain to.
SavePros321
07-31-13, 00:22
She is probably dating the bar owner.How did you draw that conclusion just based on what he posted?
How did you draw that conclusion just based on what he posted?She and her friends got him to spend $200.
I met this hot chick Sunday at this new hot spot in New York. La Marina. Washington Heights on Dyckman Street. As aside, that whole area is popping with some hot chicks and cool Dominican nightclubls.That's my neighborhood. La Marina has actually been open for over a year now.
However one of the authorities said that there was basically nothing anyone could do because there is NO LAW AGAINST PROSTITUTION IN THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.That is something that could easily be fixed by legislators or perhaps a local ordinance could even be passed. But, I don't think it will happen in the short term.
Dominicans enjoy sexual freedom, but I think folks may be paying more attention to the growth of information on the internet now about DR prostitution. Folks making porn in Sosua, posting porn blogs, posting nude videos on youtube, and nude Sosua pics are pretty common now in random Google searches. The global awareness of the DR and specifically Sosua as a hub of international prostitution is getting some push back. It will be interesting to see how things go in the future.
i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.
Mister Booblover
07-31-13, 02:20
Come on, none of your NG guys doesn't know anything about this busty bar chica?
MB
Hi all your NG guys,
I am not staying at New Garden, but last night I was told by a chica on the strip, that there is a very busty chica that works in the bar at NG that go with clients and others. If anyone can confirm that and have some contact info about her, I will be very pleased to receive a PM.
Thanks a lot,
MB
i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.our hobby only thrives in countries where the local men are mongers. our activity is only a small fraction of the pay-for-play taking place in the dr, brasil, colombia, thailand, etc. though, as has been pointed out often, tourists generally pay way more than local men.
Hi guys,
Looking to get into Sosua this weekend, finally found a nice 3 day weekend stretch to make the trip down. My first time in DR and looking forward to it! Couple questions, and I have an answer for one of them but looking at other options too.
1. My flight arrives at 1 AM on Saturday (early morning, late Friday) and I am unfortunately flying into STI as DL has no flights to POP. Is it safe to take a cab from STI to Sosua? I know it is an hour and half drive but I'm not sure if I want to stay overnight in STI or wait a few hours for the bus. I would rather just take a cab and get to my intended destination. Any recommended cab drivers that are dependable? Advice is greatly appreciated, I did see the number of one drive in previous response and will be looking into that.
2. Hotel wise, best spot that is close to the action? I've read about any of Rick's places, is that still the best option? I do need to book a hotel room very soon, I am not looking for the cheapest option. Just what is close to the action (prefer walking distance) and a nice place with a comfortable bed. Price range is $75. $100 I would be perfectly fine with.
Thanks for the help! Counting down the days and will share my experience!
Noble Savage
07-31-13, 03:15
Is Passions opened again or operating (DBA) under a different name or location?
Thanks fellows, I appreciate your input / the inside "skinny".
Grandnash84
07-31-13, 06:05
Where can I watch my New England patriots game each Sunday starting in September? I remember even in Colombia a Hooters bar had the 'NFL ticket' for all the games. Thanks, Its importantRumba bar has all the football games, winners sports bar and Dlatins also. A lot of little bars and resturants also have nfl games on. Super bowl is the bussiest time of year for Sosua.
Riky Rapido
07-31-13, 11:55
Rumba bar has all the football games, winners sports bar and dlatins also. A lot of little bars and resturants also have nfl games on. Super bowl is the bussiest time of year for sosua.Good to see someone who wants to expand his cultural developement while living in the DR. Jose O'Shea's in Cabarette has something like 7 tv's what seems like every game on the NFL. Only thing about O'Shea's is that everything is pricey.
i mentioned before that seeing putas is a dr tradition. the international attention has been on the dr for foreigners traveling for sex . the use of **** girls is rare for foreigners. the human trafficing is also not an issues with sex vacationers. dr women are imported all over the world to work as putas. the goverment has to be seen as hostile to mongers. so far it is business as usual and i doubt it can change much.how much do dominican men pay to lay with the chica's?
i had 1 local tell me he would take me to a place where for the bed and the chica it would be 800. can we find some decent chic's at some of these place's where the dominican men go or are they sosua rejects?
Sosua news says that after August 2nd the police will arrest anyone having a loud muffler or loud music.
For those that have been here they know how loud this shit really is.
Saw this picture posted on a website and you can guess what the description said. Anyway, Sosua is not what it once was on many levels. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
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